From canuckiron at wightman.ca Tue Mar 1 03:46:26 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 05:46:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question In-Reply-To: <421AA6A2.6030209@wightman.ca> References: <4.2.2.20050220173119.00c2da78@mail.earthlink.net> <4.2.2.20050221083129.00c28678@mail.earthlink.net> <421AA6A2.6030209@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <42245612.2080705@wightman.ca> Hi Folks, Thanks again to all who responded to my question regarding the computer timing out. Buried way down in the depths of the Intel proset LAN connection, I found a box checked that said: Low power in standby mode. I unchecked it and everything works like a dream now. Duncan -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Mar 1 03:26:37 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:26:37 +0800 Subject: [SEL] re making work half as easy Message-ID: <001001c51e51$8cbd7d20$89c73dca@ogborneuah38i3> Ray.........that would no doubt be ''Virgin olive oil''. I have discovered that the Sulphur content in cutting oil produces metallic oxides, a metallic film instead of fluid film lubrication. Mineral oils do contain some natural sulphur they have no value in cutting oils.. The two ways of adding sulphur are to ''cook '' it in ,bonded with a fatty oil such as lard or sperm oil. The second is done by adding the sulphur to a mineral oil by the application of heat. All sounds like a lot of work ..............don't know what the recipe for Reflexa is but it smells of Sulphur . Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Mar 1 04:10:52 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:10:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update References: Message-ID: <001901c51e57$b77f79e0$1784dccb@oemcomputer> Hi Francis.Sounds like it's coming along.I had a friend in the US get me one of these little engines as there are very few in Australia.He got it real cheap and it is in good order and goes real nice.It arrived a little over a year ago and I am very pleased with it.I hope yours goes good for you. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 4:00 Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update > > > > Hi List, > For the last two days, I have been doing a "dry run" in reassembling the > Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) as the replacement parts are not > here yet. This reassembling activity has been an eye opener for me. The > repIacement crankshaft gear seems to mesh OK with the camshaft gear. The rod > bearing seems to match with the crankshaft journal. The valve clearances have > been set using shim stock. With the crankshaft, camshaft, connecting rod, and > piston in place, I am able to turn the engine over and nothing is binding. > I even found the timing magneto mark which I couldn't find other day. > The next thing that has to be done is to dynamically check out the magneto > on the bench. > The oil dip stick also has to be replaced as the original one was > deteriorated due to standing water in the crankcase. > Hopefully, I will be ready to install the replacement parts when they > arrive. After governor spring and throttle shaft spring arrive and are installed, > I'll be able to adjust the governor to throttle butterfly linkage. > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Mar 1 04:59:37 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 05:59:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update References: Message-ID: Sounds like ya got a handle on it Francis. Don't quite understand shimming the valves but probably will when I dig into mine. My dipstick doesn't have a stop on it and hopefully you could shed some light on this when yours arrives. Good luck with it! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: FRM8198 at aol.com To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update Hi List, For the last two days, I have been doing a "dry run" in reassembling the Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) as the replacement parts are not here yet. This reassembling activity has been an eye opener for me. The repIacement crankshaft gear seems to mesh OK with the camshaft gear. The rod bearing seems to match with the crankshaft journal. The valve clearances have been set using shim stock. With the crankshaft, camshaft, connecting rod, and piston in place, I am able to turn the engine over and nothing is binding. I even found the timing magneto mark which I couldn't find other day. The next thing that has to be done is to dynamically check out the magneto on the bench. The oil dip stick also has to be replaced as the original one was deteriorated due to standing water in the crankcase. Hopefully, I will be ready to install the replacement parts when they arrive. After governor spring and throttle shaft spring arrive and are installed, I'll be able to adjust the governor to throttle butterfly linkage. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Tue Mar 1 05:48:39 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:48:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 5hp Bulldog Message-ID: <3spcf3$8es7j@mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net> A friend offered me a 5hp Bulldog, he won't be able to work on it due to deteriorating health. This is a local engine, cme out of the Coca Cola bottling plant 10 miles from here. It's missing the piston and rod, it's weathered, but most of the main parts are there. It has the carb and ignitor, rocker's there, the "pull rod" is rusted off. It will be a month before I can get it, I saw it years ago when I first got interested in this hobby, anyone have a picture available? My BYB is out on loan. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Mar 1 07:19:49 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:19:49 EST Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update Message-ID: <1e5.36cb3e69.2f55e215@aol.com> In a message dated 03/01/2005 5:46:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, edsingns at winsoft.net.au writes: Sounds like it's coming along.I had a friend in the US get me one of these little engines as there are very few in Australia.He got it real cheap and it is in good order and goes real nice.It arrived a little over a year ago and I am very pleased with it.I hope yours goes good for you. Thanks Edd. This project has been a good review of how engines were manufactured in the past. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Mar 1 07:40:07 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:40:07 EST Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update Message-ID: In a message dated 03/01/2005 6:24:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: Don't quite understand shimming the valves but probably will when I dig into mine. Rick, Go to this site: _http:_ (http://www.old-engine.com/fmzd.htm) //www.old-engine.com/fmzd.htm 14. Checking and Adjusting Valve Clearance - Remove the crankcase cover (16B) Then measure the valve clearance on low cam. The clearance should be .005" to .007". If necessary to adjust the clearance, remove the camshaft and withdraw the valve tappets (3841). Take out the disc (3844) and the shims (1881A) and (1881B) from the tappet and adjust the shims to give the proper clearance. Shim (1881A) is .031" thick, and shims (1881B) are .003" thick. When replacing the shim and the disc in the tappet be sure to insert the shim first, as the hard steel disc must bear against the end of the valve stem. Check the clearance after the camshaft has been replaced, and be sure that the gears are meshed properly. (See paragraph 12.) My dipstick doesn't have a stop on it and hopefully you could shed some light on this when yours arrives. The oil dipstick is made from a ?" pipe plug. This plug has a ?" dia hole drilled through it. The original looks like it has a large ?" dia cotter pin inserted into the pipe plug. The fix I have in mind is to make an ?" dia eye bolt (without thread), insert into the pipe plug hole, and then braze it to the pipe plug. I intend to file a fill mark on the part that goes into the crankcase. I am going to determine the position of this mark after I put a quart of oil in the crankcase. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Mar 1 08:24:20 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:24:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 5hp Bulldog References: <3spcf3$8es7j@mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <002e01c51e7b$1fe2dfe0$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> JB: Ken's Picture Link has them! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:48 AM Subject: [SEL] 5hp Bulldog > > A friend offered me a 5hp Bulldog, he won't be able to work on it due to deteriorating health. This is a local engine, cme out of the Coca Cola bottling plant 10 miles from here. It's missing the piston and rod, it's weathered, but most of the main parts are there. It has the carb and ignitor, rocker's there, the "pull rod" is rusted off. It will be a month before I can get it, I saw it years ago when I first got interested in this hobby, anyone have a picture available? My BYB is out on loan. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Tue Mar 1 08:21:32 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:21:32 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? Message-ID: In another attempt to get this group back to engines ;-) If everyone would tell the story of their best engine related trip that would keep us busy for a long time. For myself I have a somewhat hard time coming up with a single best engine trip. All of the Hell On Wheels Tours (HOWT) that Harry and I took were very memorable. The basic concept of HOWT is to visit as many engine collections and shows as possible during a 2 week period. We would visit one or more collections each day and usually travel 500 to 700 miles each day (the hell part). Most days start out early, and we hit the road to visit a collection. Most days end late with us searching for a motel room for the night and trying to get a bite of food before getting some sleep before starting the whole process over the next morning. The first HOWT only covered western states, plus 3 shows. The second HOWT included a trip across the U.S. stopping to visits collections all the way to the Portland Indiana show! Plus a return route including more collections and another show. In 2002, we did the European HOWT. This has got to be the single best engine trip I've ever been on!! In about 10 days we went through 8 countries and visited over 20 engine collections, plus attended the HMT show which I consider to be the one of the best shows in the WORLD. Prior to the start of the trip Harry and I had lined up most of the collections we would visit, but we managed to add in a few collections while we were on the road. Since we're both interested in the higher quality engines which we can't afford, we focused on the best collections that we could find rather than going for just quantity. We met some really nice collectors and saw some fantastic collections. Most collectors were glad to start up a few engines for us and we even had a bite to eat or a drink with some of them. As an American engine collector, I was amazed to see some of the collections we visited and to see the quality of the restorations and obvious pride of the collectors in their work. It seemed that we saw more pre 1900 engines on this tour than we did on either of our U.S. HOWT's. While the HOWT's are a lot of fun, they are also physically exhausting. After going from sunrise to sunset every day, you need a couple of weeks to recover after a HOWT! I don't have another HOWT planned at the moment, but would sure like to do another one. Will be hard to beat the EHOWT though. WAIT George From George_Best at adp.com Tue Mar 1 08:27:20 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:27:20 -0800 Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB Message-ID: > available? My BYB is out on loan. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA What???? You onlY have one BYB! ;-) I've got a BYB and a BRB just so I would have one at home and one at work. If I ever see one for a reasonable price I'll buy another one. I'm sure there must be several of us on this list with multiple copies. A few even have the leather bound one, although I doubt the leather bound ones get used much. So else has multiple copies? Who has the most copies? Or all the variations it was printed in? Anyone have an extra to sell to someone without a copy? Anyone not have a copy? From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 1 09:11:03 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:11:03 -0800 Subject: [SEL] 5hp Bulldog In-Reply-To: <3spcf3$8es7j@mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <200503011711.j21HB7gC048521@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > rocker's there, the "pull rod" is rusted off. It will be a > month before I can get it, I saw it years ago when I first > got interested in this hobby, anyone have a picture > available? My BYB is out on loan. http://www.planefacts.co.uk/engines/images/bulldog1_jpg.jpg From BillMil357 at aol.com Tue Mar 1 09:34:01 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:34:01 EST Subject: [SEL] 5hp Bulldog Message-ID: Hi JB, Man I am proud you got the Bull Dog engine, I know you will search and find parts or make them yourself and get it going, and it will help take up a lot of that free time you have, (just kidding). An OLE engine friend, Bill Miller. Memphis, TN. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 1 09:40:13 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:40:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One of each; BRB & BYB. FWIW, there's one BRB and four BYB on eBay now. See ya, Arnie On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, George Best wrote: > I've got a BYB and a BRB just so I would have one at home and one at > work. If I ever see one for a reasonable price I'll buy another one. > > I'm sure there must be several of us on this list with multiple copies. > A few even have the leather bound one, although I doubt the leather > bound ones get used much. > > So else has multiple copies? > > Who has the most copies? Or all the variations it was printed in? > > Anyone have an extra to sell to someone without a copy? > > Anyone not have a copy? From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 1 09:43:21 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:43:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi George, For me that's really easy. The trips to England have been MEMORABLE! http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/yank1.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/yank1.htm See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, George Best wrote: > If everyone would tell the story of their best engine related trip that > would keep us busy for a long time. From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Mar 1 10:07:19 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:07:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050301180719.43943.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> George I have a BRB (purchased new at Barnes & Noble for $38 in 2000) that I use all the time. I have the BYB (purchased last year on ebay for $75) on loan to a friend. My BLB #300 stays in a box...I was able to pick it up at Portland last year for $50. I responded to an ad on Harry's and they responded with a list of other things they had...I didn't try to negotiate on the ohter items I got with the book). I don't have the BPBB. Someone had a BRB on ebay with a Buy it Now for for $35 and my friend bought it on the spot a few months back. I guess they didn't know what they were selling for as it had only been listed for ~1 hour when my friend ended it. No extra copies to sell at this time... Steve --- George Best wrote: What???? You onlY have one BYB! ;-) I've got a BYB and a BRB just so I would have one at home and one at work. If I ever see one for a reasonable price I'll buy another one. I'm sure there must be several of us on this list with multiple copies. A few even have the leather bound one, although I doubt the leather bound ones get used much. So else has multiple copies? Who has the most copies? Or all the variations it was printed in? Anyone have an extra to sell to someone without a copy? Anyone not have a copy? From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Mar 1 10:31:09 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:31:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help with address In-Reply-To: <002e01c51e7b$1fe2dfe0$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: Does anyone have Paul Gray's new e-mail address, the one I have bounced back. Thanks Steve Royster From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue Mar 1 10:51:51 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:51:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7f$0MAXHnLJCFwt5@loud-n-clear.net> In message , George Best writes > >If everyone would tell the story of their best engine related trip that >would keep us busy for a long time. > Well, so far in my hobby career, I have only made three "real" engine-related trips. I count a "real" trip as one that takes me out of the county (about 50 miles on average in the UK) and requires a trailer to bring back the spoils. I had another one that nearly qualified, but no trailer involved. The first real trip was to just north of the Scottish border, to bring back a Lister CS 6/1 purchased on eBay. My son (age 9) and I set out in my wonderful old LHD diesel Renault 21 (2.1 litres normally aspirated and over 200,000 miles) (remember that the UK is RHD) pulling the big Ifor Williams twin-axle 8' x 5' general purpose trailer. This weighs about 1000 lbs empty and the vehicle is only rated for about 2000 lbs towing weight. We didn't manage to break any speed limits, as it is uphill all the way from England to Scotland. The limit for towed combinations not over 7.5 tonnes gross train weight on county roads is 50 mph, and 60 mph on motorways (Interstate Highways) and dual carriageways with central reservation. Most of our northbound journey was carried out on motorways at a speed of about 55 mph. We overnighted in Seahouses, Northumberland, with my cousin Jane and her family. We'd travelled about 240 miles. We were made extremely welcome and I look forward to the day when I can return the favour. The following morning, we continued about 60 miles or so to our eventual destination, not far from Berwick-on-Tweed. There we had the engine loaded for us by the very pleasant and obliging vendor, a Mr Anderson. We didn't stay long, as we had a 300-mile journey to undertake. The journey home was uneventful, despite the extra 750 lbs on board. We managed 60 mph at times (it was downhill, after all). We arrived back in Shropshire and immediately set about lifting the engine off the trailer and getting it into the Shed. (The Shed is always spoken of in reverent tones in the UK. Some lucky chaps may even have two Sheds. I am informed that the renowned Monty Python ensemble once performed a sketch featuring a certain "Two-Sheds Jackson"...) Unfortunately, the engine is still a Shed-case. It had been stored outside with an open exhaust pipe and valve, and had a slight case of the stickies... I think that the only thing that needs attention now is the injection pump. This has been at the bottom of a tin of diesel for two years and may be just about freed off by now. Some pictures later at http://www.petesextension.com/Borders/ In part II, I will bring you the saga of the Start-o-Matic and the CS 12/2 we fetched from north of Aberdeen. For our friends from larger countries, this is the UK equivalent of fetching an engine from Bismarck, ND, to Topeka, KS, or Alice Springs, NT, to Townsville, QL (is that the right abbreviation for Queensland?). It doesn't take quite so long, though, and the roads might be a little better than in Oz... Regards to all Pete -- Peter Scales From MaytagTwin at aol.com Tue Mar 1 10:54:48 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:54:48 EST Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB Message-ID: <1e0.36d62c0f.2f561478@aol.com> Hi George, I keep a BYB near my desk in the house, another in the shop, and, a BRB in my camper. That way, I don't have to go far to look up an engine. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA From jimjirik at earthlink.net Tue Mar 1 12:45:35 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:45:35 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB Message-ID: <17879937.1109709935769.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> What do BYB and BRB stand for? -----Original Message----- From: George Best Sent: Mar 1, 2005 10:27 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB > available? My BYB is out on loan. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA What???? You onlY have one BYB! ;-) I've got a BYB and a BRB just so I would have one at home and one at work. If I ever see one for a reasonable price I'll buy another one. I'm sure there must be several of us on this list with multiple copies. A few even have the leather bound one, although I doubt the leather bound ones get used much. So else has multiple copies? Who has the most copies? Or all the variations it was printed in? Anyone have an extra to sell to someone without a copy? Anyone not have a copy? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 1 12:52:53 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:52:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Help with address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try... Paul + Colleen Gray On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Steve Royster wrote: > Does anyone have Paul Gray's new e-mail address, the one I have bounced > back. Thanks Steve Royster From bboyce at swat.coop Tue Mar 1 13:00:07 2005 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:00:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] spark plug tap drill size Message-ID: <000a01c51ea1$a6e153c0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> hello all,,, can someone give me the tap drill size for an 18mm spark plug tap,,,, i know i wont have a metric drill that large, so what would be closest inch size drill ? thanks in advance,, bill boyce lost prairie,arkansas From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 13:27:10 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:27:10 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f60251605030113275b093d69@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:21:32 -0800, George Best wrote: > In another attempt to get this group back to engines ;-) > > If everyone would tell the story of their best engine related trip that > would keep us busy for a long time. The three trips to Spain probably, both in terms of distances travelled and old iron recovered, although we 'lost' the van engine on the second trip! Trip 1 was with the old van but one, the white minibus and we found the 15hp Diter diesel engine, travelled about 1800 miles altogether, not counting 24-hour ferry trip each way. Trip 2 was with the 'new' van, which was a year old then, but we blew the engine up a few days within warranty on the way back and with 3 engines on the trailer. Mileage was a bit more as we went into Portugal this trip, probably about 2600 miles, but I'd need to check the trip report. Trip 3 was with the same van with a new engine (well, nearly new, it had done over 100,000 miles by this time) and we collected the Bolinder twin cylinder hot bulb marine engine which was given to us by the owner's wife. That involved north eastern Spain down to south eastern coast in one hit, then we stayed for a few days before going due west to Portugal, stayed there a while and then back up north for the ferry and home. We also collected a LOT of ceramic floor tiles which are cheap out there, we bought back home 1/4 ton of them! We'll probably christen the new van with another trip later this year if all goes well. All of these are documented on our web pages. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From George_Best at adp.com Tue Mar 1 13:28:10 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:28:10 -0800 Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB Message-ID: Short answer is: Big Yellow Book and Big Red Book Longer answer is: C.H. Wendel wrote a book which is considered the bible for American engine collectors. This book came out in 1983 is called "American Gasoline Engines Since 1872". It is a rather big book with 584 pages and was a hard back book with a yellow cover. After the BYB (big yellow books) had sold out, there was a reprint of the book which had a red cover rather than the yellow cover. The BRB (big red book) is a little bit lesser in quality as they used photocopies of the pages from the BYB to make the BRB. At an even later date there was another reprinting of the book but this time it was not hard back, and instead was a paperback book. Hence, the BPBB (big paperback book). I'm not sure when or how many limited edition leather bound books were made, but there are BLBB (big leather bound book) out there as well. BYB = big yellow book BRB = big red book BPBB = big paper back book BLBB = big leather bound book Most people have the BYB/BRB and those are the editions most of us have. WAIT George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Jim Jirik > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:46 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB/BRB > > What do BYB and BRB stand for? From George_Best at adp.com Tue Mar 1 13:30:49 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:30:49 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? Message-ID: Arnie, The only problem is that years go by before you get anything posted about your trip! ;-) WAIT George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Arnie Fero > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 9:43 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? > > Hi George, > > For me that's really easy. The trips to England have been MEMORABLE! > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/yank1.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/yank1.htm > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, George Best wrote: > > > If everyone would tell the story of their best engine related trip > > that would keep us busy for a long time. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Mar 1 13:45:03 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:45:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] spark plug tap drill size References: <000a01c51ea1$a6e153c0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <001901c51ea7$ed6702d0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Bill, I think a 39/64" will do the job. John H. in snowy Holland. hello all,,, can someone give me the tap drill size for an 18mm spark plug tap,,,, i know i wont have a metric drill that large, so what would be closest inch size drill ? thanks in advance,, bill boyce lost prairie,arkansas _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Mar 1 13:49:00 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:49:00 +0100 Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB References: <17879937.1109709935769.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002201c51ea8$7a8da790$3e636854@Sixmjohn> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Jirik" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB/BRB > What do BYB and BRB stand for? Big Yellow Bible / Big Red Bible. American Gasoline Engines sinds 1872, by C.H.Wendel. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 1 13:55:31 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:55:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB In-Reply-To: <17879937.1109709935769.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <17879937.1109709935769.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Jim, That would be "American Gasoline Engines Since 1872," by C.H.Wendel. Often referred to as The Bible. It is generally available in four flavors. BYB - Big Yellow Book (the first printing) BRB - Big Red Book (the second printing, some say of lower quality) BPBB - Big Paper Back Book (the third printing) BLBB - Big Leather Bound Book (BYB, numbered & signed copies) Here's a BYB on eBay... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3878417013 Hope that helps. Now, why not tell us a bit about yourself and your interests in the Olde Iron? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Jim Jirik wrote: > What do BYB and BRB stand for? From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 1 14:41:10 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:41:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Dolly, Are you gonna take that abuse lying down? 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - George? Be careful about messing in the affairs of dragons cos you're crunchy and taste good with catsup. 8-)) On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, George Best wrote: > The only problem is that years go by before you get anything posted > about your trip! ;-) > > > -----Original Message----- > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > Arnie Fero > > > > For me that's really easy. The trips to England have been MEMORABLE! > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/yank1.htm > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/yank1.htm From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 15:59:05 2005 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:59:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] spark plug tap drill size In-Reply-To: <000a01c51ea1$a6e153c0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <20050301235905.78083.qmail@web52604.mail.yahoo.com> It's 16.8mm tap drill for 18mm sparkplug thread. Decimal is .6614. 21/32 is .005 undersize but will work fine. Bill Boyce wrote: hello all,,, can someone give me the tap drill size for an 18mm spark plug tap,,,, i know i wont have a metric drill that large, so what would be closest inch size drill ? thanks in advance,, bill boyce lost prairie,arkansas _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Cheers! NICK Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich Hartmann "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From George_Best at adp.com Tue Mar 1 16:11:30 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:11:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? Message-ID: Arnie, >From what we were hearing these past years was that it was you that were the slow one in getting your trip report written! > Hey Dolly, > > Are you gonna take that abuse lying down? 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - George? Be careful about messing in the affairs of > dragons cos you're crunchy and taste good with catsup. 8-)) > > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, George Best wrote: > > > The only problem is that years go by before you get anything posted > > about your trip! ;-) From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 1 16:26:00 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:26:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503020026.j220Q2MM086748@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Short answer is: > Big Yellow Book and Big Red Book And to confuse things even more, there's the BIG GREEN BOOK A-Z of British Stationary Engines by Patrick Knight. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 1 16:27:11 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:27:11 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Help with address In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503020027.j220RETM086984@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Royster [mailto:steve_royster at hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 10:31 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Help with address > > > Does anyone have Paul Gray's new e-mail address, the one I > have bounced > back. Thanks Steve Royster Paul + Colleen Gray From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Mar 1 17:34:47 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 20:34:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42251837.2090406@scrtc.com> George, I've heard the story several times, as I'm sure you have, that the printer had to copy pages from BRB to make the BYB as the original negatives were destroyed. I inquired about this a few years ago when at one of the major car swap meets and there was a publishing company there (I think titled International Motorbooks or Motor Books International or something very similar) selling books dealing with old cars and they had the BRB on display selling it as well. I told them the story that I heard about the BRB utilizing copies of the BYB in order to print it. The guy said "you're probably the third or fourth person that's told me that story and I checked our printers after I first heard it and they said there's nothing to it". I don't know if he was up front or didn't want to admit if there was a problem on the reprint. I have a BYB here at home and a BRB at my office. I've compared them before page by page but couldn't tell any difference in the quality of the printing. Maybe someone has definitive evidence as to the real story. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY George Best wrote: > The BRB (big red book) is a little >bit lesser in quality as they used photocopies of the pages from the BYB >to make the BRB. > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Mar 1 17:55:26 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:55:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42251D0E.90405@earthlink.net> I only have one copy. They are kinda spendy these days unless you get a deal. Mine was $160 on e-bay, and that seems to be about the going rate. For those of you looking for your first one check e-bay daily using keyword Wendel. That give the best results and sometimes you will find one in the wrong category. That can spell bargain. This is a must have book if you play with old engines. Jeff Allen PS. There are two on e-bay today. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3878417013&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3878549753&rd=1 George Best wrote: >>available? My BYB is out on loan. >>J.B. Castagnos >>Belle Rose, LA >> >> > >What???? You onlY have one BYB! ;-) > >I've got a BYB and a BRB just so I would have one at home and one at >work. If I ever see one for a reasonable price I'll buy another one. > >I'm sure there must be several of us on this list with multiple copies. >A few even have the leather bound one, although I doubt the leather >bound ones get used much. > >So else has multiple copies? > >Who has the most copies? Or all the variations it was printed in? > >Anyone have an extra to sell to someone without a copy? > >Anyone not have a copy? > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From plb at iinet.net.au Tue Mar 1 17:56:17 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:56:17 +0800 Subject: [SEL] spark plug tap drill size References: 155659668 Message-ID: <01f301c51ecb$05af5c20$0201010a@Portable> Sounds like its a 1.2 or 1.25 pitch thread. A general rule of thump for metric threads is to deduct the thread pitch off the diameter and that gives you the drilling size Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fuller & Johnson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] spark plug tap drill size > It's 16.8mm tap drill for 18mm sparkplug thread. Decimal is .6614. 21/32 > is .005 undersize but will work fine. > > > Bill Boyce wrote: > hello all,,, > can someone give me the tap drill size for an 18mm spark plug tap,,,, i > know i wont have a metric drill that large, so what would be closest inch > size drill ? > thanks in advance,, > bill boyce > lost prairie,arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Cheers! NICK > > > Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! > > "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich > Hartmann > > "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Mar 2 00:59:28 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:59:28 -0000 Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB References: <42251D0E.90405@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001601c51f06$259abd50$8c9f0952@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB/BRB > I only have one copy. They are kinda spendy these days unless you get a > deal. Mine was $160 on e-bay, and that seems to be about the going rate. > For those of you looking for your first one check e-bay daily using > keyword Wendel. That give the best results and sometimes you will find > one in the wrong category. That can spell bargain. This is a must have > book if you play with old engines. > Jeff Allen I wish you guys wouldn't remind me of my past mistakes. About 20 years ago I met an old man living in a dilapidated (But Expensive) country house. The only room in the house that was spotless was his workshop. I kept in touch by telephone & after about 5 years he didn't reply to the phone. I wrote to him & a relative said that he had died. He had sold all the machine tools but said that I could buy the contents of the derilict wooden garage. I spent the entire summer at Engine shows selling the gear to recover my money. The stuff left which cost me nothing was An open frame Royce Dynamo and brass ammeter marked with the origional Royce works. (Pre Rolls Royce.about 1890} American Gasoline Engines since 1872 (BYB) Encyclopedia of American Farm Tractors 150 Years of International Harvester Encyclopedia of American Steam Traction Engines My regrets are I sold the Traction Engine book for a good price (At the time,cheap now) & a Dutchman offered me so much for the Dynamo that I sold it in a moment of need. Are my remaining Wendel books worth much nowadays? Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Mar 2 05:58:57 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:58:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT partly - re-chroming parts and valve and swap date questions In-Reply-To: <200503020026.j220Q2MM086748@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200503020026.j220Q2MM086748@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <22549.165.206.180.118.1109771937.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Anyone know of a place where one can get parts done with a "satin chrome" finish? I've got some pieces that were chrome - but they were originally satin chrome finish, not the mirror finish like car bumpers. They are rusty now, of course..... Can cast iron be chrome plated? And to help keep this on topic at least a little - Anyone know Le Suer swap dates? Is it always last weekend in April? And finally - when I eventually get the VERY stuck exhaust valve out of the big Chapman, it will be worthless - can anyone make valves with VERY long stems? This baby has a valve stem that must be nearly a foot long. (thus, it's impossible to get out in one piece - that's over 6" of rusted valve in guide) No way to buy one that will be even close like we can the other engines. Bill From b2 at chooka.net Wed Mar 2 06:28:54 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:28:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT partly - re-chroming parts and valve and swap datequestions References: <200503020026.j220Q2MM086748@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <22549.165.206.180.118.1109771937.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <001701c51f34$29e26330$660a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> LeSueur April 22-24, ATIS gathering and picture at noon, Miller Tire Truck. http://www.pioneerpowershow.com/ B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:58 AM Subject: [SEL] OT partly - re-chroming parts and valve and swap datequestions > Anyone know of a place where one can get parts done with a "satin chrome" > finish? I've got some pieces that were chrome - but they were originally > satin chrome finish, not the mirror finish like car bumpers. > They are rusty now, of course..... > > Can cast iron be chrome plated? > > And to help keep this on topic at least a little - > Anyone know Le Suer swap dates? Is it always last weekend in April? > > And finally - when I eventually get the VERY stuck exhaust valve out of > the big Chapman, it will be worthless - can anyone make valves with VERY > long stems? This baby has a valve stem that must be nearly a foot long. > (thus, it's impossible to get out in one piece - that's over 6" of rusted > valve in guide) > No way to buy one that will be even close like we can the other engines. > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From b2 at chooka.net Wed Mar 2 06:29:40 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:29:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT partly - re-chroming parts and valve and swap datequestions References: <200503020026.j220Q2MM086748@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <22549.165.206.180.118.1109771937.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <002601c51f34$44be74a0$660a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> duh, that's noon on Saturday. B? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:58 AM Subject: [SEL] OT partly - re-chroming parts and valve and swap datequestions > Anyone know of a place where one can get parts done with a "satin chrome" > finish? I've got some pieces that were chrome - but they were originally > satin chrome finish, not the mirror finish like car bumpers. > They are rusty now, of course..... > > Can cast iron be chrome plated? > > And to help keep this on topic at least a little - > Anyone know Le Suer swap dates? Is it always last weekend in April? > > And finally - when I eventually get the VERY stuck exhaust valve out of > the big Chapman, it will be worthless - can anyone make valves with VERY > long stems? This baby has a valve stem that must be nearly a foot long. > (thus, it's impossible to get out in one piece - that's over 6" of rusted > valve in guide) > No way to buy one that will be even close like we can the other engines. > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jimjirik at earthlink.net Wed Mar 2 06:40:45 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:40:45 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB- New Guy Message-ID: <17921281.1109774445023.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Arnie, My interest in Old Iron was instilled in me by Dad. As a kid he took me to Thressing Bees, and we would look at each engine and tractor. Together we recently purchased a FM ZC118, the price was right (cheap). It has little compression and I haven't started to tear into yet but, we hope to get to it this spring. I found this message board and thought it might be a good source of information. There is an auction next weekend in Butler, MO and we hope to pick up another project there. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Arnie Fero Sent: Mar 1, 2005 3:55 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB/BRB Jim, That would be "American Gasoline Engines Since 1872," by C.H.Wendel. Often referred to as The Bible. It is generally available in four flavors. BYB - Big Yellow Book (the first printing) BRB - Big Red Book (the second printing, some say of lower quality) BPBB - Big Paper Back Book (the third printing) BLBB - Big Leather Bound Book (BYB, numbered & signed copies) Here's a BYB on eBay... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3878417013 Hope that helps. Now, why not tell us a bit about yourself and your interests in the Olde Iron? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Jim Jirik wrote: > What do BYB and BRB stand for? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 2 07:01:46 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:01:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update References: Message-ID: 'preciate ya taking the time Francis. Never heard of such a thing so it will be an education when I dig into mine. RickinMt. Don't quite understand shimming the valves but probably will when I dig into mine. Rick, Go to this site: _http:_ (http://www.old-engine.com/fmzd.htm) //www.old-engine.com/fmzd.htm 14. Checking and Adjusting Valve Clearance - Remove the crankcase cover (16B) Then measure the valve clearance on low cam. The clearance should be .005" to .007". If necessary to adjust the clearance, remove the camshaft and withdraw the valve tappets (3841). Take out the disc (3844) and the shims (1881A) and (1881B) from the tappet and adjust the shims to give the proper clearance. Shim (1881A) is .031" thick, and shims (1881B) are .003" thick. When replacing the shim and the disc in the tappet be sure to insert the shim first, as the hard steel disc must bear against the end of the valve stem. Check the clearance after the camshaft has been replaced, and be sure that the gears are meshed properly. (See paragraph 12.) My dipstick doesn't have a stop on it and hopefully you could shed some light on this when yours arrives. The oil dipstick is made from a ?" pipe plug. This plug has a ?" dia hole drilled through it. The original looks like it has a large ?" dia cotter pin inserted into the pipe plug. The fix I have in mind is to make an ?" dia eye bolt (without thread), insert into the pipe plug hole, and then braze it to the pipe plug. I intend to file a fill mark on the part that goes into the crankcase. I am going to determine the position of this mark after I put a quart of oil in the crankcase. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Wed Mar 2 07:23:53 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 07:23:53 -0800 Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB Message-ID: > The guy said "you're probably the third or fourth person > that's told me that story and I checked our printers after I > first heard it and they said there's nothing to it". I don't > know if he was up front or didn't want to admit if there was > a problem on the reprint. I have a BYB here at home and a > BRB at my office. I've compared them before page by page but > couldn't tell any difference in the quality of the printing. > Maybe someone has definitive evidence as to the real story. > > Tommy Turner Tommy, I'm like you, I've got both versions. BYB at home and BRB at the office. I too have looked and didn't notice any difference. The photocopy story is one I've heard for years and was just passing on. Would be nice to have a definite answer on that. I'd think Wendel could set the record straight. If the BRB truly is a copy it would be nice if someone could point out a couple pages in each book which show a difference in quality. WAIT George From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Wed Mar 2 07:31:33 2005 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 07:31:33 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The engine has mechanical lifters, so to get the right tappet clearance, you need to use the shims (under the lifters). The cam contacts the lifter, which contacts the valves - no pushrods are used. It will make sense once you tear into it... Have fun, -- Kelley Garcia La Habra, Ka. USA On 3/2/05 7:01 AM, "Richard Strobel" wrote: > 'preciate ya taking the time Francis. Never heard of such a thing so it will > be an education when I dig into mine. > > RickinMt. > > Don't quite understand shimming the valves but probably will when I dig > into > mine. > Rick, > Go to this site: _http:_ > (http://www.old-engine.com/fmzd.htm) > //www.old-engine.com/fmzd.htm > > 14. Checking and Adjusting Valve Clearance - Remove the crankcase cover > (16B) Then measure the valve clearance on low cam. The clearance should be > .005" > to .007". If necessary to adjust the clearance, remove the camshaft and > withdraw the valve tappets (3841). Take out the disc (3844) and the shims > (1881A) > and (1881B) from the tappet and adjust the shims to give the proper > clearance. Shim (1881A) is .031" thick, and shims (1881B) are .003" thick. > When > replacing the shim and the disc in the tappet be sure to insert the shim > first, as > the hard steel disc must bear against the end of the valve stem. Check the > clearance after the camshaft has been replaced, and be sure that the gears > are > meshed properly. (See paragraph 12.) > > > My dipstick doesn't have a stop on it and hopefully you could shed some > light on this when yours arrives. > The oil dipstick is made from a ?" pipe plug. This plug has a ?" dia hole > drilled through it. The original looks like it has a large ?" dia cotter > pin > inserted into the pipe plug. The fix I have in mind is to make an ?" dia > eye > bolt (without thread), insert into the pipe plug hole, and then braze it to > the pipe plug. I intend to file a fill mark on the part that goes into the > crankcase. I am going to determine the position of this mark after I put a > quart of oil in the crankcase. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 07:36:09 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:36:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT partly - re-chroming parts and valve and swap date questions In-Reply-To: <22549.165.206.180.118.1109771937.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <200503020026.j220Q2MM086748@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <22549.165.206.180.118.1109771937.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605030207365433a510@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:58:57 -0800 (PST), bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Anyone know of a place where one can get parts done with a "satin chrome" > finish? I've got some pieces that were chrome - but they were originally > satin chrome finish, not the mirror finish like car bumpers. > They are rusty now, of course..... Satin Chrome is normally unpolished chrome over a shot-blasted or shot-peened finsh, depending on the material. XLR plugs and sockets are satin chrome or black nickel for example. > Can cast iron be chrome plated? Yes, but the granularity of the surface makes it a bit "pot-holed" for want of a better expression. > And to help keep this on topic at least a little - > Anyone know Le Suer swap dates? Is it always last weekend in April? We'll be over in California during April for Tulare, but other than that we have no info on the US shows. > And finally - when I eventually get the VERY stuck exhaust valve out of > the big Chapman, it will be worthless - can anyone make valves with VERY > long stems? This baby has a valve stem that must be nearly a foot long. > (thus, it's impossible to get out in one piece - that's over 6" of rusted > valve in guide) Cut the old stem off. Drill the head and tap it, make a new stem out of ground silver steel rod and when you have threaded it into the head of the old valve, weld over the protruding piece or turn it flush and peen over. Silver steel comes in increments of 5 > No way to buy one that will be even close like we can the other engines. > > Bill Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 2 08:10:33 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:10:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB- New Guy In-Reply-To: <17921281.1109774445023.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <17921281.1109774445023.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Jim, WELCOME to the list!! One piece of advice... Be aware that these damn things multiply. Today you have one, next year you'll have a dozen of the damn things!! 8-))) See ya, Arnie PS - OTOH, if you didn't spend the money on Olde Iron, you'd probably blow it on booze & wild women. 8-)) Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, Jim Jirik wrote: > My interest in Old Iron was instilled in me by Dad. As a kid he took me to Thressing Bees, > and we would look at each engine and tractor. Together we recently purchased a FM ZC118, > the price was right (cheap). It has little compression and I haven't started to tear into yet but, > we hope to get to it this spring. I found this message board and thought it might be a good source > of information. There is an auction next weekend in Butler, MO and we hope to pick up another > project there. From jimjirik at earthlink.net Wed Mar 2 08:09:35 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:09:35 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB Message-ID: <10024590.1109779775657.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Thanks to all of you leading me to the search, I just bought a BRB online for $26.95!!! I used my credit card so that if it is a hoax I can challenge the charge. I decided to opt for the $6.95 3-5 day shipping option so I'll let you all know if I get the real thing! Jim Jirik -----Original Message----- From: Dave Croft Sent: Mar 2, 2005 2:59 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB/BRB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB/BRB > I only have one copy. They are kinda spendy these days unless you get a > deal. Mine was $160 on e-bay, and that seems to be about the going rate. > For those of you looking for your first one check e-bay daily using > keyword Wendel. That give the best results and sometimes you will find > one in the wrong category. That can spell bargain. This is a must have > book if you play with old engines. > Jeff Allen I wish you guys wouldn't remind me of my past mistakes. About 20 years ago I met an old man living in a dilapidated (But Expensive) country house. The only room in the house that was spotless was his workshop. I kept in touch by telephone & after about 5 years he didn't reply to the phone. I wrote to him & a relative said that he had died. He had sold all the machine tools but said that I could buy the contents of the derilict wooden garage. I spent the entire summer at Engine shows selling the gear to recover my money. The stuff left which cost me nothing was An open frame Royce Dynamo and brass ammeter marked with the origional Royce works. (Pre Rolls Royce.about 1890} American Gasoline Engines since 1872 (BYB) Encyclopedia of American Farm Tractors 150 Years of International Harvester Encyclopedia of American Steam Traction Engines My regrets are I sold the Traction Engine book for a good price (At the time,cheap now) & a Dutchman offered me so much for the Dynamo that I sold it in a moment of need. Are my remaining Wendel books worth much nowadays? Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From EnginePaul at aol.com Wed Mar 2 09:13:03 2005 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:13:03 EST Subject: [SEL] OT partly - re-chroming parts and valve and swap date questions Message-ID: <12f.580680c2.2f574e1f@aol.com> >Anyone know of a place where one can get parts done with a "satin chrome" >finish? I've got some pieces that were chrome - but they were originally >satin chrome finish, not the mirror finish like car bumpers. Nickel is like a "satin chrome" but not as durable. Cheaper and nice looking for may things, I used to use it on printing press parts. EPA makes it tough to find a place, the ones I used to use closed down. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Mar 2 09:26:59 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:26:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB- New Guy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503021727.j22HR2Jl052695@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > WELCOME to the list!! One piece of advice... Be aware that > these damn > things multiply. Today you have one, next year you'll have a > dozen of the > damn things!! 8-))) > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - OTOH, if you didn't spend the money on Olde Iron, you'd > probably blow it on booze & wild women. 8-)) You are SO right, Arnie! I've spent most of my money on engines, beer and women. The rest I just wasted. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Wed Mar 2 10:58:57 2005 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:58:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB- New Guy Message-ID: <000601c51f59$e6bb1d60$cb680b42@computer> And everything else you spend money on will be a waste Geo -----Original Message----- From: Arnie Fero To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB/BRB- New Guy >Hi Jim, > >WELCOME to the list!! One piece of advice... Be aware that these damn >things multiply. Today you have one, next year you'll have a dozen of the >damn things!! 8-))) > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - OTOH, if you didn't spend the money on Olde Iron, you'd probably blow >it on booze & wild women. 8-)) > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, Jim Jirik wrote: > >> My interest in Old Iron was instilled in me by Dad. As a kid he took me to Thressing Bees, >> and we would look at each engine and tractor. Together we recently purchased a FM ZC118, >> the price was right (cheap). It has little compression and I haven't started to tear into yet but, >> we hope to get to it this spring. I found this message board and thought it might be a good source >> of information. There is an auction next weekend in Butler, MO and we hope to pick up another >> project there. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 2 12:44:55 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:44:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] sulfur and sulfurized lubricants for cutting metal Message-ID: <20050302204455.67827.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> The way sulfur works as a metal cutting lubricant is that it melts at a fairly low temperature to make a thick oily liquid that is very slippery. Sulfur is peculiar because it melts twice. Just above the boiling point of water at about 106? C (223? F) it melts, but when the temperature is raised slightly it freezes again, then at about 115?C (239? F) it melts again. Either molten phase works well as a cutting lubricant, but because most machining operations create cutter point-of-contact temperatures above the second melting point, it is in that form when working. The reason why sulfur is mixed with oil, grease, and lard is for several reasons. At room temperature, sulfur is a solid a lot like hard rosin (which is also a very good cutting lubricant but expensive), so it has to be powdered and mixed with a liquid other than water to get it into the cut. Sulfur by itself catches on fire at the temperatures generated during cutting, so mixing it with oils and greases prevents this. Sulfur is also very active chemically and it reacts directly with the copper and zinc of brass, and when wet it rapidly attacks iron. When heated in contact with air it forms sulfuric acid. All this is very bad for the parts being made and the cutting machinery, so the oils and greases are used to neutralize sulfur?s bad properties. Because sulfur is very reactive chemically it forms several different kinds of compounds with the oil and grease molecules, and those in turn are also extremely good cutting lubricants. What actually goes on at the point of contact is not fully understood, but apparently the sulfur-oil compound molecules break apart at higher temperatures and release the sulfur as minute or colloidal particles, which help push the metal out of contact with the cutting tool. The 250-year old unbeatable standard cutting lubricant for drilling and lathe work, as well as taps and dies, is sulfurized lard. I don?t know how it is made, but because it was around 250 years ago it can?t be too difficult. I have always used plain de-salted bacon fat or lard for cutting steel because I can?t tell the difference between it and sulfurized lard when using a torque wrench to determine how much force is needed to turn a tap. Mice and rats eat lard but usually won?t touch sulfurized lard, though, and more than a few times my dog got the can of bacon fat off the lathe and ate it along with all the metal chips in it, and the brush, too. Like I say, work and play safely, and that includes your pets. Free machining stainless steels and steels have sulfur, selenium, or lead introduced into the metal when being alloyed. When these alloys are cut, the free sulfur, selenium (selenium is very much like sulfur but EXTREMELY poisonous), or lead act as cutter lubricants, but the down side is that free machining alloys are rather weak and have limited usefulness, plus they don?t weld very well. Lead is also used in some armor piercing bullets as a lubricant, and does an excellent job judging from the holes I have seen all the way through 6-inches of hot-rolled mild steel that were made using an ordinary hunting rifle. Work and play safely, Richard Allen From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Mar 2 20:29:42 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:29:42 +0800 Subject: [SEL] sulfur and sulfurized lubricants for cutting metal References: <20050302204455.67827.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701c51fa9$a36645d0$85ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3> Thank you Richard ...............very thorough explanation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Allen" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 4:44 AM Subject: [SEL] sulfur and sulfurized lubricants for cutting metal > The way sulfur works as a metal cutting lubricant is that it melts at a > fairly low temperature to make a thick oily liquid that is very > slippery. > > Sulfur is peculiar because it melts twice. Just above the boiling point > of water at about 106? C (223? F) it melts, but when the temperature is > raised slightly it freezes again, then at about 115?C (239? F) it melts > again. Either molten phase works well as a cutting lubricant, but > because most machining operations create cutter point-of-contact > temperatures above the second melting point, it is in that form when > working. > > The reason why sulfur is mixed with oil, grease, and lard is for > several reasons. At room temperature, sulfur is a solid a lot like hard > rosin (which is also a very good cutting lubricant but expensive), so > it has to be powdered and mixed with a liquid other than water to get > it into the cut. Sulfur by itself catches on fire at the temperatures > generated during cutting, so mixing it with oils and greases prevents > this. Sulfur is also very active chemically and it reacts directly with > the copper and zinc of brass, and when wet it rapidly attacks iron. > When heated in contact with air it forms sulfuric acid. All this is > very bad for the parts being made and the cutting machinery, so the > oils and greases are used to neutralize sulfur's bad properties. > Because sulfur is very reactive chemically it forms several different > kinds of compounds with the oil and grease molecules, and those in turn > are also extremely good cutting lubricants. What actually goes on at > the point of contact is not fully understood, but apparently the > sulfur-oil compound molecules break apart at higher temperatures and > release the sulfur as minute or colloidal particles, which help push > the metal out of contact with the cutting tool. > > The 250-year old unbeatable standard cutting lubricant for drilling and > lathe work, as well as taps and dies, is sulfurized lard. I don't know > how it is made, but because it was around 250 years ago it can't be too > difficult. I have always used plain de-salted bacon fat or lard for > cutting steel because I can't tell the difference between it and > sulfurized lard when using a torque wrench to determine how much force > is needed to turn a tap. Mice and rats eat lard but usually won't touch > sulfurized lard, though, and more than a few times my dog got the can > of bacon fat off the lathe and ate it along with all the metal chips in > it, and the brush, too. Like I say, work and play safely, and that > includes your pets. > > Free machining stainless steels and steels have sulfur, selenium, or > lead introduced into the metal when being alloyed. When these alloys > are cut, the free sulfur, selenium (selenium is very much like sulfur > but EXTREMELY poisonous), or lead act as cutter lubricants, but the > down side is that free machining alloys are rather weak and have > limited usefulness, plus they don't weld very well. Lead is also used > in some armor piercing bullets as a lubricant, and does an excellent > job judging from the holes I have seen all the way through 6-inches of > hot-rolled mild steel that were made using an ordinary hunting rifle. > > Work and play safely, > > Richard Allen > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Mar 2 20:33:05 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:33:05 +0800 Subject: [SEL] club badges.....can you help? Message-ID: <000b01c51faa$1ba6e130$85ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3> I am amongst a few of my fellow club members who are disgusted at the '' badge '' that we have . Can those of you who are able send me an image of your club badge of list. Thank you in anticipation. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Thu Mar 3 04:02:36 2005 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:02:36 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re:BYB BRB, Arnie's Old Age - OT Message-ID: <20050303120236.74391.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> Ha ha ha, I can just picture old timer Arnie, 50 years from now in his rocking chair, recalling the good old days of engine collecting. BYB BRB BPBB BLBB BYB BRB BPBB BLBB BYB BRB BPBB BLBB BYB BRB BPBB BLBB Graham Oz PS Sorry Arnie. Now where's my other boot. From: Arnie Fero Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB/BRB Jim, That would be "American Gasoline Engines Since 1872," by C.H.Wendel. Often referred to as The Bible. It is generally available in four flavors. BYB - Big Yellow Book (the first printing) BRB - Big Red Book (the second printing, some say of lower quality) BPBB - Big Paper Back Book (the third printing) BLBB - Big Leather Bound Book (BYB, numbered & signed copies) Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 3 04:54:10 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 05:54:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re:BYB BRB, Arnie's Old Age - OT References: <20050303120236.74391.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rumor control has it that they are in the process of being republished..possibly updated. Any truth to that and if so where are they available? RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Harris" To: Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 5:02 AM Subject: [SEL] Re:BYB BRB, Arnie's Old Age - OT > Ha ha ha, I can just picture old timer Arnie, 50 years > from now in his rocking chair, recalling the good old > days of engine collecting. > > BYB BRB BPBB BLBB BYB BRB BPBB BLBB BYB BRB BPBB BLBB > BYB BRB BPBB BLBB > > Graham Oz > > PS Sorry Arnie. Now where's my other boot. > > From: Arnie Fero > Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB/BRB > > Jim, > > That would be "American Gasoline Engines Since 1872," > by > C.H.Wendel. > Often referred to as The Bible. > > It is generally available in four flavors. > BYB - Big Yellow Book (the first printing) > BRB - Big Red Book (the second printing, some say of > lower > quality) > BPBB - Big Paper Back Book (the third printing) > BLBB - Big Leather Bound Book (BYB, numbered & signed > copies) > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bboyce at swat.coop Thu Mar 3 05:46:53 2005 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 07:46:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] spark plug tap drill size,now LeRoi engine References: 155659668 <01f301c51ecb$05af5c20$0201010a@Portable> Message-ID: <001c01c51ff7$75c6e780$6401a8c0@BillyBob> thanks guys for the spark plug tap drill info, problem solved,,,, now i;m looking for info on a v12 LeRoi,,, model 3000-7, with a inline 4 LeRoi pony engine,,,, anyone have a location for manuals? date of manufacture? etc ? any help will be appreciated,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 3 06:00:15 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:00:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re:BYB BRB, Arnie's Old Age - OT In-Reply-To: <20050303120236.74391.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050303120236.74391.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: G'day Graham, On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, Graham Harris wrote: > Ha ha ha, I can just picture old timer Arnie, 50 years > from now in his rocking chair, recalling the good old > days of engine collecting. > > BYB BRB BPBB BLBB BYB BRB BPBB BLBB BYB BRB BPBB BLBB > BYB BRB BPBB BLBB No worries mate, I'm like that NOW when a lovely shelia strolls by wearing a fetching pair of Daisy Dukes!! Just ask Dave. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Mar 3 07:28:57 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 07:28:57 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re:BYB BRB, Arnie's Old Age - OT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503031528.j23FSxwR018074@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > > BYB BRB BPBB BLBB BYB BRB BPBB BLBB BYB BRB BPBB BLBB > > BYB BRB BPBB BLBB > strolls by wearing > a fetching pair of Daisy Dukes!! Just ask Dave. 8-)) Yes, I can understand having such a response if Dave was to strut by in his cut-off hot pants. From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Thu Mar 3 03:52:36 2005 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:52:36 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re:Best engine trip reply to Peter (sort of OT) Message-ID: <20050303115237.92551.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> G'day Peter S Interesting story - 300 miles for an engine trip is quite a drive even for Oz dwellers. We also have a reverence for "the shed". There's a song about Aussie Blokes and their sheds (Every Aussie bloke needs a shed) or something like that. Your suggestion of the Alice to Townsville is a r-e-a-l good choice. This's frontier stuff. Let me see... 70Km out of Alice, turn right, another 70k's and you hit dirt, 430K's to the border (there'd be some water tanks along there I'd reckon) then another 600k's to Winton, where you'd hit the bitumen again. After that a mere 830K's to the coast, then you could travel the Great Barrier Reef coast road for another 700K's and you'd be in Townsville. A Renault with 200,000 clicks up might not be the greatest choice... and it would have to be a bloody good engine you'd be collecting! Cheers Graham in Oz PS QLD for Queensland or sometimes just Q is what we use. Call 'em Banana Benders. From: Peter Scales Subject: Re: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? To: The SEL email discussion list Well, so far in my hobby career, I have only made three "real" engine-related trips. I count a "real" trip as one that takes me out of the county (about 50 miles on average in the UK) and requires a trailer to bring back the spoils. I had another one that nearly sketch featuring a certain "Two-Sheds Jackson"...) Unfortunately, the Bismarck, ND, to Topeka, KS, or Alice Springs, NT, to Townsville, QL (is that the right abbreviation for Queensland?). It doesn't take quite so long, though, and the roads might be a little better than in Oz... Regards to all Pete -- Peter Scales Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 08:22:53 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:22:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Message-ID: <6f6025160503030822286617d@mail.gmail.com> After a reminder call about flights etc from Dolly, we got on-line and have the Portland flights booked and paid for. We are going to have a look at the Studebaker and Auburn museums in the north of Indiana earlier in the week, and will also have a peek at one of the Amish museums while in the state. We also have to make the trip to Dayton again, love the Air Force Museum! See y'all there :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From George_Best at adp.com Thu Mar 3 08:49:19 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:49:19 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF031499@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> I've been disappointed that hardly anyone has shared their engine trip stories. Don't you people ever go anywhere???? For me, visiting collectors makes any trip a great trip. Well..... Maybe not 100% true as you may go visit a collector and find out he isn't interested in showing you anything and has no interest in starting up anything. However, with a little planning you can locate collections where you know you'll be welcome and the person is glad to give you a grand tour and truly enjoys talking about engines and showing their collection. Visiting collectors is the only way you will ever see some engines. I'm sure a lot of us know of rare engines that are never shown at public shows and you can only see if the collector is willing to show it to you. Seems to me if you enjoy this hobby that you must have gone somewhere at sometime to buy an engine or at least look at some engines! Some people, including myself, say that SEL is dying. Which is true if you're not interested in posting any engine related topics or stories. Being a "lurker" doesn't help, and only making wise cracks or off topic postings doesn't help either. WAIT George From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu Mar 3 09:00:12 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:00:12 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re:Best engine trip reply to Peter (sort of OT) In-Reply-To: <20050303115237.92551.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050303115237.92551.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1WZnuNNcK0JCFw9b@loud-n-clear.net> In message <20050303115237.92551.qmail at web41111.mail.yahoo.com>, Graham Harris writes >A Renault with >200,000 clicks up might not be the greatest choice... It was 320,000 clicks, actually - 200,000 miles two years ago. It has just shy of 460,000 clicks on it today :-) It gets an oil change tomorrow. If it lives, it gets a cam belt at 480,000. It has been a superb car, for a knacker :-) Thank you for your kind feedback. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From mtucker at uky.edu Thu Mar 3 08:55:47 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:55:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: <6f6025160503030822286617d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160503030822286617d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >We are going to have a look at the Studebaker and Auburn museums in >the north of Indiana Peter, It's the Auburn, Cord Duesenberg Museum in Auburn, Indiana (see ). The museum is in the 30's era, art deco style Auburn, Cord, Duesenberg headquarters/showroom. It is well worth your visit! See ya, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From curt at imc-group.com Thu Mar 3 09:23:42 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 12:23:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland-AFM OT In-Reply-To: <6f6025160503030822286617d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160503030822286617d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4227481E.6030902@imc-group.com> Listerdiesel wrote: >After a reminder call about flights etc from Dolly, we got on-line and >have the Portland flights booked and paid for. We are going to have a >look at the Studebaker and Auburn museums in the north of Indiana >earlier in the week, and will also have a peek at one of the Amish >museums while in the state. > >We also have to make the trip to Dayton again, love the Air Force Museum! > >See y'all there :-)) > >Peter > > Peter, Be sure you get your tickets and reservations early to tour the Presidential hanger. The big draw is Kennedy's Air Force 1 that he was brought back from Dallas on, but all are interesting. In the hanger beside the AF1 exhibit is another hanger of experimental aircraft and engines. For me it was the most fascinating of all the displays at the AFM. Curt From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 3 09:32:52 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:32:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: <6f6025160503030822286617d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160503030822286617d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Hope you didn't forget about the Badger Steam & Gas show in Baraboo, Wisconsin August 19-21. It's the perfect leadin to Portland. http://www.badgersteamandgas.com/ See ya, Arnie On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > After a reminder call about flights etc from Dolly, we got on-line and > have the Portland flights booked and paid for. We are going to have a > look at the Studebaker and Auburn museums in the north of Indiana > earlier in the week, and will also have a peek at one of the Amish > museums while in the state. > > We also have to make the trip to Dayton again, love the Air Force Museum! From George_Best at adp.com Thu Mar 3 09:53:37 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:53:37 -0800 Subject: [SEL] W.H.E.A.T. swap meet Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF0314BA@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Is anyone on this list going to the WHEAT swap meet at Turlock CA next weekend? I'm still debating on whether I want to make the 600 miles each way trip since diesel fuel prices are so high now. I'm still planning on Tulare in April (800 miles each way), but the Tulare show is way bigger than the WHEAT swap meet. WAIT George From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Mar 3 10:17:24 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:17:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re:BYB BRB, Arnie's Old Age - OT In-Reply-To: References: <20050303120236.74391.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <422754B4.7010009@scrtc.com> Rick, I know an update is in the works. Whether it will be a complete reprint of the original or a supplemental update I haven't heard however. Either way, it will be something all of us need to have. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Rumor control has it that they are in the process of being >republished..possibly updated. > >Any truth to that and if so where are they available? > >RickinMt. > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 10:23:03 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:23:03 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160503030822286617d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050303102368458049@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:55:47 -0500, Michael Tucker wrote: > >We are going to have a look at the Studebaker and Auburn museums in > >the north of Indiana > > Peter, > > It's the Auburn, Cord Duesenberg Museum in Auburn, Indiana (see > ). The museum is in the 30's era, art > deco style Auburn, Cord, Duesenberg headquarters/showroom. It is > well worth your visit! > > See ya, > Mike That's the one, Mike: There is also the Studebaker Museum in South Bend, IN, where I think a few machine tools came out of? Should be able to visit both if we get our digits extracted. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From solarrog at pacbell.net Thu Mar 3 10:25:14 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:25:14 -0800 Subject: [SEL] W.H.E.A.T. swap meet References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF0314BA@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Message-ID: <012c01c5201e$59335050$81017643@D6R3D961> I will be there George Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: [SEL] W.H.E.A.T. swap meet > Is anyone on this list going to the WHEAT swap meet at Turlock CA next > weekend? > > I'm still debating on whether I want to make the 600 miles each way trip > since diesel fuel prices are so high now. I'm still planning on Tulare > in April (800 miles each way), but the Tulare show is way bigger than > the WHEAT swap meet. > > WAIT George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 10:26:10 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:26:10 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland-AFM OT In-Reply-To: <4227481E.6030902@imc-group.com> References: <6f6025160503030822286617d@mail.gmail.com> <4227481E.6030902@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605030310263fcc6b17@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 12:23:42 -0500, Curt wrote: > Listerdiesel wrote: > > >After a reminder call about flights etc from Dolly, we got on-line and > >have the Portland flights booked and paid for. We are going to have a > >look at the Studebaker and Auburn museums in the north of Indiana > >earlier in the week, and will also have a peek at one of the Amish > >museums while in the state. > > > >We also have to make the trip to Dayton again, love the Air Force Museum! > > > >See y'all there :-)) > > > >Peter > > > > > Peter, > Be sure you get your tickets and reservations early to tour the > Presidential hanger. The big draw is Kennedy's Air Force 1 that he was > brought back from Dallas on, but all are interesting. > In the hanger beside the AF1 exhibit is another hanger of experimental > aircraft and engines. For me it was the most fascinating of all the > displays at the AFM. > Curt We did that the first year, missed it last year and will probably go again this year. We joined the "Friends of the Air Force Museum" on our first visit, and the discounts off the stuff we buy pays for the annual sub's. Best of all, a lot of the books on sale there are cheaper than in the UK, like half price! so add the discount on as well, and it makes a lot of financial sense. The Rolls-Royce heritage Trust books are on sale there at a big discount to the UK prices, probably close to Heritage member's prices. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 10:32:41 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:32:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? In-Reply-To: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF031499@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF031499@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050303103274c96ef5@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:49:19 -0800, George Best wrote: > I've been disappointed that hardly anyone has shared their engine trip > stories. > > Don't you people ever go anywhere???? > > For me, visiting collectors makes any trip a great trip. Well..... > Maybe not 100% true as you may go visit a collector and find out he > isn't interested in showing you anything and has no interest in starting > up anything. However, with a little planning you can locate collections > where you know you'll be welcome and the person is glad to give you a > grand tour and truly enjoys talking about engines and showing their > collection. It's not quite the same over here, but I can understand your comments and frustration. Many serious collectors do not encourage casual visits, and even organised ones can be a bit difficult to organise. > Visiting collectors is the only way you will ever see some engines. I'm > sure a lot of us know of rare engines that are never shown at public > shows and you can only see if the collector is willing to show it to > you. There is a better array over here perhaps, as you may have seen on your European trip. We do have a lot of engine museums, including Paul Evan's Internal Fire and the Anson Museum, but in addition there are also large public museums with engines on display like the Birmingham Museum of Science & technology, and we also have a lot of museums with engines in that are part of a larger setup, like the Kew Bridge Museum which has probably the largest beam engine in the world in operational condition. > Seems to me if you enjoy this hobby that you must have gone somewhere at > sometime to buy an engine or at least look at some engines! I guess that our climate doesn't help, but certainly the USA should have better weather than us, particularly the western prairie side. > Some people, including myself, say that SEL is dying. Which is true if > you're not interested in posting any engine related topics or stories. > Being a "lurker" doesn't help, and only making wise cracks or off topic > postings doesn't help either. I think that is not quite correct, George, folks don't have the same amount of time these days that they seem to have had five or ten years ago, and many of us don't always have anything interesting or unusual to say, so it often takes another remark or thread to bring us out :-)) > WAIT George Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 10:34:05 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:34:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] W.H.E.A.T. swap meet In-Reply-To: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF0314BA@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF0314BA@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050303103431aba26a@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:53:37 -0800, George Best wrote: > Is anyone on this list going to the WHEAT swap meet at Turlock CA next > weekend? > > I'm still debating on whether I want to make the 600 miles each way trip > since diesel fuel prices are so high now. I'm still planning on Tulare > in April (800 miles each way), but the Tulare show is way bigger than > the WHEAT swap meet. > > WAIT George We dropped Turlock in favour of Tulare for that very reason. We couldn't do both and Tulare is so much better attended, plus we get to see Rob & Kelley and the others from down south... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 10:36:09 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:36:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160503030822286617d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160503031036224334a2@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:32:52 -0500 (EST), Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Hope you didn't forget about the Badger Steam & Gas show in Baraboo, > Wisconsin August 19-21. It's the perfect leadin to Portland. > http://www.badgersteamandgas.com/ > > See ya, Arnie We'd love to do it, and it is one of the items that Dolly mentioned when she called this afternoon, but we can't get the time away at that time of year, and we have to virtually set up the end of month stuff for the company before we go, as it is a Bank Holiday on that weekend and everything is closed. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Mar 3 10:51:56 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:51:56 EST Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? Message-ID: <1d4.37551467.2f58b6cc@aol.com> In a message dated 3/3/2005 12:36:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, George_Best at adp.com writes: << I've been disappointed that hardly anyone has shared their engine trip stories. >> George, I got the bright idea one day that I needed to go way up in the mountains of West Virginia not too far from Sistersville and retrieve a stationary hay baler. This was during a period that I thought all antique junk iron should reside on our farm, no matter what its use or condition. This drive was about 6 hours from here. Not having a large truck at that time, I borrowed my neighbors Ford F250 diesel and a trailer. Millie and I left at 5 am Friday morning and arrived later that morning safely in the mountains. It was 100% humidity and about 94 deg F. Almost got heat exhaustion getting things loaded and we headed out of the mountains. Got to a main road and stopped to check things. Noted transmission fluid leaking on ground. Made it to a service station a number of miles down the road, filled up transmission, then made it to a Ford dealer early afternoon. Unhooked trailer and they checked everything in their shop. I had a transmission seal turning loose, but not real bad at that moment. But if I continued to haul the heavy load it was sure to turn loose. Talked the dealer into letting me leave the trailer load of junk on his lot, but he made me hide it on the far backside. Bought some transmission fluid, flashlight, and pulled into home at 12 that night. Got up Saturday early, made arrangements to borrow another truck, but it had no electrical brake hookup for trailer. Went to town and had them installed and Millie and I pulled out again at 11am. Got to the Ford Dealer in West Virginia just before they closed and locked gates. Hooked up, bought a milkshake, and headed for home. It was a load for the older F150 truck, so on the hills of W.Va., it would over heat and I would open windows, cut heater wide open to help keep engine cool. This while the temp was around 90! Got home around midnight again. The baler sits in the back now with the other junk. During the trip home we had to drive the West Va. Turnpike and stop to at tool booths every so often. The baler had a tree growing up thru it. The ticket agents would look at it, shake their heads, collect my money and let me thru!!! Millie said that was the last time she was going with me anywhere junk hauling except for local trips!!!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 3 11:18:05 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:18:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re:BYB BRB - Update In-Reply-To: <422754B4.7010009@scrtc.com> References: <20050303120236.74391.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> <422754B4.7010009@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Tommy / Rick, In Richard's piece in the current GEM, I think he said something about Wendel returning to GEN as a contributor. I thought he also said something about the status / scope of the update to the bible. I don't have my GEM handy... Would someone take a look? See ya, Arnie On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > I know an update is in the works. Whether it will be a complete > reprint of the original or a supplemental update I haven't heard > however. Either way, it will be something all of us need to have. > > > >Rumor control has it that they are in the process of being > >republished..possibly updated. > > > >Any truth to that and if so where are they available? > > > >RickinMt. From curt at imc-group.com Thu Mar 3 12:35:59 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:35:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? In-Reply-To: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF031499@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF031499@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Message-ID: <4227752F.6010204@imc-group.com> George, Suspect after hearing about your HOWT tours and the EHOWT we all feel like our little trips to see engine collection pale by comparison! Personally only having been in the hobby 7 or 8 years we've simply not had the time yet to see many of the collections. With work and limited vacations only short trips are permitted. But a few trips/shows are memorable. Early on when putting the 6HP Herc buzz saw together I could not find a front axle for the cart. The cart itself had required a drive to east Virginia and that was a good father son adventure. The front axle required a trip to St. Louis to see Jim White. He had the front half of a cart and a deal was struck. His engine collection of I'm guessing 500 engines was sure worth the long drive. We made it a family event and took in the arch in St. Louis and other sites. A few years ago we decided to do the Mt. Pleasant show. We took the round about way home thru Baraboo and the Dells and visited Nels Johnsrud to see his collection of David Bradleys. I have to count annual pilgrimages to Portland and Coolsprings as HOWT's tours in themselves, when you consider the number of engines seen per miles driven! I image when we are enjoying the 7 day weekend, there will be more opportunity for the HOWT trips you've tantalized us with! We really have enjoyed your reports. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. In a few weeks a OzHOWT report should be coming ;-) George Best wrote: >I've been disappointed that hardly anyone has shared their engine trip >stories. > >Don't you people ever go anywhere???? > > > From segray at mlode.com Thu Mar 3 12:44:31 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 12:44:31 -0800 Subject: [SEL] W.H.E.A.T. swap meet In-Reply-To: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF0314BA@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF0314BA@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Message-ID: <4227772F.8000302@mlode.com> Hi George - Yeah, I'll be there early Sunday for sure. Was planning on making a quick trip Saturday PM, too, since all the goodies seem to go then, but as mentioned, the diesel prices may preclude that. Maybe if I just coast out of the mountains.... ;-) Turlock's a definite go. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com George Best wrote: >Is anyone on this list going to the WHEAT swap meet at Turlock CA next >weekend? > >I'm still debating on whether I want to make the 600 miles each way trip >since diesel fuel prices are so high now. I'm still planning on Tulare >in April (800 miles each way), but the Tulare show is way bigger than >the WHEAT swap meet. > >WAIT George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Thu Mar 3 13:30:05 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:30:05 +0100 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF031499@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Message-ID: <009d01c52038$2aadfc70$3775833e@harryp1811> I just jump in late about this topic, and frankly I haven't spend much time online lately. George reading your first post about the most memorable engine trip, I sure agree that a real (E) HOWT is the best an engine lover can get! It's hard to say what HOWT was the best for me, as IMO they were all GREAT!! The first one, was the first I was in the US. The first two days we go to the Great Oregon steam-up in Brooks. It was the best show I have been until that day! The rest of the two weeks was making lots of miles seeing lots of engine's and meeting lots of friendly engine collectors. The first HOWT was GREAT! The next year we made an even better HOWT going from Portland Oregon to Portland Indiana, and back. Visting many more collectors and seeing even better engines on this trip I must say that this is the best engine trip ever for me. Also meeting so many people from the SEL, and others sure makes this trip very memorable. The next year George came over to Holland and in about 11 days we drive about 4000 miles. We sure see allot great collections again, but I think by than that is already standard for any HOWT ;-) Of two weeks later my dad and I had to make another mini HOWT to the Czech republic, becuase George (and I) buy some engines over there. That was another 1400 miles round trip hauling the trailer in two days. For me the second HOWT was the best engine trip ever!! Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 5:49 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? > I've been disappointed that hardly anyone has shared their engine trip > stories. > > Don't you people ever go anywhere???? > > For me, visiting collectors makes any trip a great trip. Well..... > Maybe not 100% true as you may go visit a collector and find out he > isn't interested in showing you anything and has no interest in starting > up anything. However, with a little planning you can locate collections > where you know you'll be welcome and the person is glad to give you a > grand tour and truly enjoys talking about engines and showing their > collection. > > Visiting collectors is the only way you will ever see some engines. I'm > sure a lot of us know of rare engines that are never shown at public > shows and you can only see if the collector is willing to show it to > you. > > Seems to me if you enjoy this hobby that you must have gone somewhere at > sometime to buy an engine or at least look at some engines! > > Some people, including myself, say that SEL is dying. Which is true if > you're not interested in posting any engine related topics or stories. > Being a "lurker" doesn't help, and only making wise cracks or off topic > postings doesn't help either. > > WAIT George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Thu Mar 3 13:51:41 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:51:41 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF031573@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> > George, > Suspect after hearing about your HOWT tours and the EHOWT we > all feel like our little trips to see engine collection pale > by comparison! My trips can be a bit hard core, but people shouldn't feel that their favorite engine trip has to be of epic proportions. A favorite show you go to, a trip to pick up an engine you bought, or just a visit to someplace where you saw an engine is fine. > Personally only having been in the hobby 7 or 8 years we've > simply not had the time yet to see many of the collections. > With work and limited vacations only short trips are > permitted. Should be easier to have a favorite trip if you've been in the hobby a shorter amount of time and have been fewer places. The more trips and experiences you have, the harder it is to pick a favorite one. Sort of like picking a favorite engine is easier if you have a small collection than a large collection. > I image when we are enjoying the 7 day weekend, there will be > more opportunity for the HOWT trips you've tantalized us > with! 7 day weekend??? Not me. I've got to work full time to support the lifestyle I've come accustomed to ;-) All of my HOWT trips were not more than a 2 week vacation. Granted, after working 30 years I get more than 2 weeks of vacation a year, but not enough. I am looking forward to the 7 day weekend, just can't afford it yet. WAIT George From George_Best at adp.com Thu Mar 3 14:08:04 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:08:04 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF031582@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> > It's not quite the same over here, but I can understand your > comments and frustration. Many serious collectors do not > encourage casual visits, and even organised ones can be a bit > difficult to organise. Peter, Must be a U.K. thing. When Harry and I did the EHOWT we had no problem finding serious collectors willing to show us their collection. Granted, between Harry and myself we had contacted most of the collectors prior to the trip and they were expecting us. However, the first collector we visited in Germany wasn't even on our schedule. We were driving down the autobahn making good time to visit a large collection. Since we were near a town with an interesting collection, we decided to see if we could find the collector. We stopped a person on the street and asked where the collector lived and had a picture of what we were looking for. The person knew where the guy lived and guided us there. As soon as the engine collector met us and saw that we were serious engines collectors he gladly gave us the grand tour and started up several engines. It was a great visit and I'm sure Harry and I will remember it for a long time. Of course it also helps if you're the type of person that feels comfortable going up to strangers and talking to them. WAIT George Ps. I'm sure that every country has a few collectors that are suspicious of everyone and don't want to show their stuff. But I think the majority of collectors are willing to show their stuff to other people who really appreciate engines. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 3 14:33:46 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:33:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Charlie is home! Message-ID: <00d701c52041$12c3ebc0$230110ac@PAUL> ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard R Allen To: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 4:14 PM Subject: Charlie is home! Hello to all!, Had a call from Charlie few minutes ago. A friend went to NH for him. He said they had real good trip to Jay. Stopped at the rest area--probably in Kennebunk --had lunch He's been upstairs --said no problem at all so that was good. He was resting on the couch when he called. Probably be back on line in few days. Now secretary with out a job! Lois PS If you have any questions or if you don't hear from him, please feel free to send me an e-mail. and I will bring you up to date! From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Mar 3 15:01:42 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 07:01:42 +0800 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF031499@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Message-ID: <003101c52044$fb00dd50$2eb53dca@ogborneuah38i3> George ,I will give you one soon ,just a bit short of time to sit down at the comp . ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 12:49 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? > I've been disappointed that hardly anyone has shared their engine trip > stories. > > Don't you people ever go anywhere???? > > For me, visiting collectors makes any trip a great trip. Well..... > Maybe not 100% true as you may go visit a collector and find out he > isn't interested in showing you anything and has no interest in starting > up anything. However, with a little planning you can locate collections > where you know you'll be welcome and the person is glad to give you a > grand tour and truly enjoys talking about engines and showing their > collection. > > Visiting collectors is the only way you will ever see some engines. I'm > sure a lot of us know of rare engines that are never shown at public > shows and you can only see if the collector is willing to show it to > you. > > Seems to me if you enjoy this hobby that you must have gone somewhere at > sometime to buy an engine or at least look at some engines! > > Some people, including myself, say that SEL is dying. Which is true if > you're not interested in posting any engine related topics or stories. > Being a "lurker" doesn't help, and only making wise cracks or off topic > postings doesn't help either. > > WAIT George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Mar 3 16:02:27 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:02:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re:BYB BRB - Update In-Reply-To: References: <20050303120236.74391.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> <422754B4.7010009@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <4227A593.9010503@earthlink.net> Hi all, Just took a look. There are supposed to be a short string of 100 page updates and he is working toward a reprint of the title as well. Jeff Arnie Fero wrote: >Tommy / Rick, > >In Richard's piece in the current GEM, I think he said something about >Wendel returning to GEN as a contributor. I thought he also said >something about the status / scope of the update to the bible. I don't >have my GEM handy... Would someone take a look? > >See ya, Arnie > >On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > >> I know an update is in the works. Whether it will be a complete >>reprint of the original or a supplemental update I haven't heard >>however. Either way, it will be something all of us need to have. >> >> >> >> >>>Rumor control has it that they are in the process of being >>>republished..possibly updated. >>> >>>Any truth to that and if so where are they available? >>> >>>RickinMt. >>> >>> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 3 16:38:10 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:38:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050304003810.57683.qmail@web61301.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Peter, and list folks,,, Give a long thought to the Buckley, Michigan show instead. http://www.buckleyoldengineshow.org/index.htm August 18-21 Just six hours north of Portland. I wish there was at least one year when the Buckley and Baraboo shows were on different weekends. I would love to visit Baraboo and Joe has told me he would like to visit Buckley. --- Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Hope you didn't forget about the Badger Steam & Gas show in Baraboo, > Wisconsin August 19-21. It's the perfect leadin to Portland. > http://www.badgersteamandgas.com/ > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > After a reminder call about flights etc from Dolly, we got on-line and > > have the Portland flights booked and paid for. We are going to have a > > look at the Studebaker and Auburn museums in the north of Indiana > > earlier in the week, and will also have a peek at one of the Amish > > museums while in the state. > > > > We also have to make the trip to Dayton again, love the Air Force Museum! __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Mar 3 16:39:14 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:39:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl Message-ID: <005c01c52052$98081200$933354d2@Cam> Well Folks we will be leaving for the National ( Narracorte ) tomorrow morning and will be off line for 2 weeks as I am pulling the caravan and making a holiday of it also. I plan to stay at Bendigo ( Vic ) for a few days, I did a lot of my growing up there and then a cruise around after the show. Looking forward to seeing the people I know and the new friends I will make. Regards Cam Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford 2250 Australia From jbcast at charter.net Thu Mar 3 16:51:17 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 0:51:17 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 5hp Bulldog Message-ID: <3rr89i$oravtr@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net> > > JB: > Ken's Picture Link has them! > > Mike Royster > Thanks Mike J.B. From jbcast at charter.net Thu Mar 3 16:53:23 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 0:53:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 5hp Bulldog Message-ID: <3rr769$pbp82s@mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net> > > From: "Rob Skinner" > http://www.planefacts.co.uk/engines/images/bulldog1_jpg.jpg > > Rob, when I click on the link I get accused of being a thief and can't get any farther. J.B. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 3 16:52:45 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:52:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF031499@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> <003101c52044$fb00dd50$2eb53dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <010b01c52054$7add6ac0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > > Being a "lurker" doesn't help, and only making wise cracks or off topic > > postings doesn't help either. I guess it bears repeating , no fear in being redundant here >>>>>>>>> my father was given a pair of silver spurs from a close friend in order that he might polish them and weld indian head nickels on the loops for the boot straps . They both got busy earning a living , started letting the hands ride the horses and pretty much forgot all about them for 30 + years . Some 10 years after his passing,his wife , who was a frequent visitor to our garage,in an epiphanal moment , asked pop where those spurs were . She's looking at me , but he has his back to her and is looking at me with a wide eyed sort of " I have absolutely no idea what she is talking about " I smiled real big and told her , No problemo JoDelle " Iremembered them from when I was a kid and knew where they were . fortunately . I done them up as promised and delivered to the son , who took his fathers place as ranch forman for a large and long time local cattle concern . * note keywords long time (before 40's)and cattle (need lots of WATER!) so anyway The guy is enormous , kinda looks like that grumpy old cat from American Chopper too . Up to this point there was no alterior motive other than to restore an heirloom , his fathers spurs for chrissakes . It just felt really good .Well,this particular bruin was visibly shaken and got the vapors on us for a second . Then he says . "You guys are into those old engines aincha ? Theres a whole barn full of them out back you can take whatever you want outta there " He goes back in the house to reflect . What was that,did someone just scream BOMB!!! ?!?!?! There were Monitor pumpers and LBn La's stacked up like cordwood , bins of parts NOS pistons with bearings , NOS cylinders , fist fulls of mixers , valves about aton of Baker stuff . Not like I found a mint Charter or a Harley 45packed in US Army cosmo , but this was all still pretty new to me andI had just got a baker to run by itself . It was my motherload . And it was 108.997 degrees inside that metal shed , and the dust was about as thick as my index finger . on everything . I was loving it . I took all afternoon so as to savor it and not pass out from the heat. Its all pretty much gone every direction by now , but my favorite Baker I have now I built from all new parts outta that pile . I thik that was the same year the wrecking crew went to work on the Todd . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This particular stash of engines can also be instigated in the near extinction of a local species of fowl . But thats an engine anectdote . not a trip story . I'll whip that out when its gonna be good for a grade . Chuck Balyeat http://www.royalcrossfarm.com/ PS OH YEAH GEORGE ! The desperately stuck R~V that like to ate Harrys foot...........she lives and again ! Amd what an exquiste mess she was too . We fabbed and tapped on it enough it didnt cost much but a LOT of time and a lot of fun We didnt try , but you can probly cut white pine with that conrod . Sure could use a new one , but he only runs it at home but little at that . Its all about the journey anyway . From jbcast at charter.net Thu Mar 3 17:02:30 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 1:02:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 5hp Bulldog Message-ID: <3spdi8$dvdr1@mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net> > Hi JB, > > Man I am proud you got the Bull Dog engine, I know you will search and find > parts or make them yourself and get it going, and it will help take up a lot > of that free time you have, (just kidding). > > An OLE engine friend, > > Bill Miller. > Memphis, TN. Bill, my current project came from this same gentleman, a 6hp vertical Domestic sideshaft, pretty much a basket case but worth the time and effort. The piston and rod were missing on this engine also. The cylinder was pitted pretty bad, I bored it .125 over to 5 1/8", used a F-M rod, repoured the bearing and made a piston out of aluminum since this is a closed crank engine. My first thought was to sleeve it, but at 1/8" over the cylinder wall is still .520" thick. I'm making the wrist pin right now, it should have compression for the first time in many years. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From jbcast at charter.net Thu Mar 3 17:08:41 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 1:08:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? Message-ID: <3rr4tf$j7229h@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> All of our engine trips have been good, hard to pick a best. We've been to Portland 4 times, Coolsprings, Florida, and numerous local shows. The traveling there and back is as much fun as the shows, we usually go by van or motorhome with 6-8 people, a lot of stories get told. J.B. Castagnos From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Mar 3 18:33:15 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:33:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? In-Reply-To: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF031499@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF031499@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Message-ID: <4227C8EB.5070100@earthlink.net> Hi George, There have been some great posts on this. There are also some of us that can't tell much of a story. I've only been involved in this hobby for about a year and a half. My only out of town trip was to Bird City, KS last summer, and it is my best. Huge steam tractors, stationary engines, great food and people. I had a ball, and look forward to many more. I have a limited amount of vacation time, so it will take me years to have a lot to tell. Maybe one day I will have a seven day weekend, and can traverse this great land in search of engines and all things related. For now I enjoy what little I can take in. I have an antique walk behind tractor waiting patiently in KS right now. I hope that trip provides me with a few extras in the back of the truck when I return. I'll damn sure share if I come across anything. For those that lurk I'll offer some advice. We DON'T BITE, we only flame now and then. Jump in and participate. Opinions are like what you can tell some to pack sand in, and we all have one. For a virtual look at my best trip: http://oldengine.org/members/allen/BirdCity/BirdCity.html Jeff Allen George Best wrote: >I've been disappointed that hardly anyone has shared their engine trip >stories. > >Don't you people ever go anywhere???? > >For me, visiting collectors makes any trip a great trip. Well..... >Maybe not 100% true as you may go visit a collector and find out he >isn't interested in showing you anything and has no interest in starting >up anything. However, with a little planning you can locate collections >where you know you'll be welcome and the person is glad to give you a >grand tour and truly enjoys talking about engines and showing their >collection. > >Visiting collectors is the only way you will ever see some engines. I'm >sure a lot of us know of rare engines that are never shown at public >shows and you can only see if the collector is willing to show it to >you. > >Seems to me if you enjoy this hobby that you must have gone somewhere at >sometime to buy an engine or at least look at some engines! > >Some people, including myself, say that SEL is dying. Which is true if >you're not interested in posting any engine related topics or stories. >Being a "lurker" doesn't help, and only making wise cracks or off topic >postings doesn't help either. > >WAIT George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From old_iron at msn.com Thu Mar 3 18:54:52 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:54:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] club badges.....can you help? In-Reply-To: <000b01c51faa$1ba6e130$85ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: If you sned me your snail, I will send you a badge, like the ones I hand out at Portland. Peg Pfeiffer >From: "peter ogborne" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] club badges.....can you help? >Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:33:05 +0800 > >I am amongst a few of my fellow club members who are disgusted at the '' >badge '' that we have . Can those of you who are able send me an image of >your club badge of list. >Thank you in anticipation. >Peter Ogborne >Little Grove ,Albany >West Australia >''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >jopeter at omninet.net.au > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bethell1 at iinet.net.au Thu Mar 3 19:04:45 2005 From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (Jim Bethell) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:04:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl Message-ID: <005101c52066$ec13c9c0$d02fd9cb@bethell1> Cam, I will catch you there. Leaving monday \, stopping near Horsham for a few days. regards Jim Bethell -----Original Message----- From: cam grundy To: LISTMAIL Date: Friday, 4 March 2005 11:52 Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl >Well Folks we will be leaving for the National ( Narracorte ) tomorrow >morning and will be off line for 2 weeks as I am pulling the caravan and >making a holiday of it also. I plan to stay at Bendigo ( Vic ) for a few >days, I did a lot of my growing up there and then a cruise around after the >show. Looking forward to seeing the people I know and the new friends I >will make. > Regards Cam >Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford 2250 > Australia > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Mar 3 19:31:05 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:31:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? In-Reply-To: <3rr4tf$j7229h@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3rr4tf$j7229h@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: Yeah, I sure enjoyed ferrying that wild bunch from Louisiana between Portland and Decatur in my van! :-) John On Mar 3, 2005, at 8:08 PM, wrote: > > All of our engine trips have been good, hard to pick a best. We've > been to Portland 4 times, Coolsprings, Florida, and numerous local > shows. The traveling there and back is as much fun as the shows, we > usually go by van or motorhome with 6-8 people, a lot of stories get > told. > J.B. Castagnos John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Thu Mar 3 21:57:12 2005 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:57:12 EST Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl Message-ID: <12c.58cc2fcc.2f5952b8@aol.com> see you there Thursday night Cam. We are leaving Wednesday morning and staying overnight in Bendigo, taking the 1 1/2 Olds and 1 1/2 Challenge Woody Peter Woodmore peterwoodmore at aol.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 22:56:34 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 06:56:34 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 5hp Bulldog In-Reply-To: <3rr769$pbp82s@mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3rr769$pbp82s@mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605030322563d6a1007@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 0:53:23 +0000, jbcast at charter.net wrote: > > > > > From: "Rob Skinner" > http://www.planefacts.co.uk/engines/images/bulldog1_jpg.jpg > > > > > Rob, when I click on the link I get accused of being a thief and can't get any farther. > J.B. That url is for Richard Heulin's site in the UK isn't it? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Fri Mar 4 00:19:53 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:19:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl References: <005101c52066$ec13c9c0$d02fd9cb@bethell1> Message-ID: <01d701c52092$f1b656a0$933354d2@Cam> OK Mate, I am coming home through Mildura I will get Russell's Phone No off you then and look him up. Regards Cam. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Bethell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl > Cam, I will catch you there. Leaving monday \, stopping near Horsham for a > few days. > regards > Jim Bethell > > -----Original Message----- > From: cam grundy > To: LISTMAIL > Date: Friday, 4 March 2005 11:52 > Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl > > >>Well Folks we will be leaving for the National ( Narracorte ) tomorrow >>morning and will be off line for 2 weeks as I am pulling the caravan and >>making a holiday of it also. I plan to stay at Bendigo ( Vic ) for a few >>days, I did a lot of my growing up there and then a cruise around after >>the >>show. Looking forward to seeing the people I know and the new friends I >>will make. >> Regards Cam >>Cam and Edwina Grundy >> Kariong >> Gosford 2250 >> Australia >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Fri Mar 4 00:20:44 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:20:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl References: <12c.58cc2fcc.2f5952b8@aol.com> Message-ID: <01dc01c52093$106fa240$933354d2@Cam> OK Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl > see you there Thursday night Cam. We are leaving Wednesday morning and > staying overnight in Bendigo, taking the 1 1/2 Olds and 1 1/2 Challenge > > > Woody > Peter Woodmore > peterwoodmore at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Fri Mar 4 02:48:45 2005 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:48:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl References: <005101c52066$ec13c9c0$d02fd9cb@bethell1> <01d701c52092$f1b656a0$933354d2@Cam> Message-ID: <005a01c520a7$be9d3c10$0301a8c0@Young1203> Hope you blokes have a great time at the National. Kinda sorry now I'm not going - hopefully it'll be closer next time. John Rutherford dropped in to say g'day on the way through tonight after leaving his place this morning at 3:50am - I guess about a 1000km trip for him. We cranked up a few engines (the Allan and the Olds 12hp - both started Ok which is a minor miracle for me), shared a few sherbets and told lots of storys (mostly true) before he left for Cootamundra and eventually - next week - Naracoorte. Michael Young ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl > OK Mate, I am coming home through Mildura I will get Russell's Phone No off > you then and look him up. Regards Cam. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Bethell" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 2:04 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl > > > > Cam, I will catch you there. Leaving monday \, stopping near Horsham for a > > few days. > > regards > > Jim Bethell > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cam grundy > > To: LISTMAIL > > Date: Friday, 4 March 2005 11:52 > > Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl > > > > > >>Well Folks we will be leaving for the National ( Narracorte ) tomorrow > >>morning and will be off line for 2 weeks as I am pulling the caravan and > >>making a holiday of it also. I plan to stay at Bendigo ( Vic ) for a few > >>days, I did a lot of my growing up there and then a cruise around after > >>the > >>show. Looking forward to seeing the people I know and the new friends I > >>will make. > >> Regards Cam > >>Cam and Edwina Grundy > >> Kariong > >> Gosford 2250 > >> Australia > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Mar 4 03:01:05 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 22:01:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl In-Reply-To: <005c01c52052$98081200$933354d2@Cam> Message-ID: <200503041101.j24B14n8014768@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I hope you all have a great time at the National. Sadly I am one of the many who is not going to get there :( Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Well Folks we will be leaving for the National ( Narracorte ) tomorrow morning and will be off line for 2 weeks as I am pulling the caravan and making a holiday of it also. I plan to stay at Bendigo ( Vic ) for a few days, I did a lot of my growing up there and then a cruise around after the show. Looking forward to seeing the people I know and the new friends I will make. Regards Cam Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford 2250 Australia From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Fri Mar 4 03:33:14 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 22:33:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl References: <200503041101.j24B14n8014768@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <002e01c520ad$f48c8cd0$153354d2@Cam> I'll have a good time for you Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:01 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl >I hope you all have a great time at the National. Sadly I am one of the >many > who is not going to get there :( > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > Well Folks we will be leaving for the National ( Narracorte ) tomorrow > morning and will be off line for 2 weeks as I am pulling the caravan and > making a holiday of it also. I plan to stay at Bendigo ( Vic ) for a few > days, I did a lot of my growing up there and then a cruise around after > the > show. Looking forward to seeing the people I know and the new friends I > will make. > Regards Cam > Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford 2250 > Australia > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Mar 4 03:33:08 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:33:08 +0800 Subject: [SEL] club badges.....can you help? References: Message-ID: <002301c520ad$f55274e0$18b43dca@ogborneuah38i3> Peg .......I would really appreciate that . Unfortunately we have a ''Power Freak'' who has put out a laminated card board name tag as a badge. It is.............Peter Ogborne, Lot 108 , O"Connell Street ,Little Grove ,Albany , West Australia 6330 Thanks again Peg ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" To: Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:54 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] club badges.....can you help? > If you sned me your snail, I will send you a badge, like the ones I hand > out at Portland. > > Peg Pfeiffer > >>From: "peter ogborne" >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: >>Subject: [SEL] club badges.....can you help? >>Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:33:05 +0800 >> >>I am amongst a few of my fellow club members who are disgusted at the '' >>badge '' that we have . Can those of you who are able send me an image of >>your club badge of list. >>Thank you in anticipation. >>Peter Ogborne >>Little Grove ,Albany >>West Australia >>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >>jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Mar 4 03:35:01 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:35:01 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl References: <005101c52066$ec13c9c0$d02fd9cb@bethell1><01d701c52092$f1b656a0$933354d2@Cam> <005a01c520a7$be9d3c10$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <003b01c520ae$37c5b7b0$18b43dca@ogborneuah38i3> Hope you all have a great time , sorry not to be there . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Young" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl > Hope you blokes have a great time at the National. Kinda sorry now I'm > not > going - hopefully it'll be closer next time. John Rutherford dropped in > to > say g'day on the way through tonight after leaving his place this morning > at > 3:50am - I guess about a 1000km trip for him. We cranked up a few engines > (the Allan and the Olds 12hp - both started Ok which is a minor miracle > for > me), shared a few sherbets and told lots of storys (mostly true) before he > left for Cootamundra and eventually - next week - Naracoorte. > > > Michael Young > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cam grundy" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl > > >> OK Mate, I am coming home through Mildura I will get Russell's Phone No > off >> you then and look him up. Regards Cam. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Bethell" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 2:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl >> >> >> > Cam, I will catch you there. Leaving monday \, stopping near Horsham >> > for > a >> > few days. >> > regards >> > Jim Bethell >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: cam grundy >> > To: LISTMAIL >> > Date: Friday, 4 March 2005 11:52 >> > Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl >> > >> > >> >>Well Folks we will be leaving for the National ( Narracorte ) tomorrow >> >>morning and will be off line for 2 weeks as I am pulling the caravan >> >>and >> >>making a holiday of it also. I plan to stay at Bendigo ( Vic ) for a >> >>few >> >>days, I did a lot of my growing up there and then a cruise around after >> >>the >> >>show. Looking forward to seeing the people I know and the new friends >> >>I >> >>will make. >> >> Regards Cam >> >>Cam and Edwina Grundy >> >> Kariong >> >> Gosford 2250 >> >> Australia >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>SEL mailing list >> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 4 06:09:52 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:09:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net><005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com><6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com><4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <004c01c520c3$d63a8c80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > No Arnie, The reprint IS NOT Ed's. he sold it to someone. At that point > ownership traded hands. What the new owner does with the reprint is HIS > alone to decide. all this talk of ethics reminds me ............ Who might OWN a copy of Fred Eaglesmith's "Small Motors "in MP3 and would care to rip me a copy ? From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 07:18:22 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:18:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <004c01c520c3$d63a8c80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net> <004c01c520c3$d63a8c80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605030407185deaf946@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:09:52 -0600, kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > No Arnie, The reprint IS NOT Ed's. he sold it to someone. At that point > > ownership traded hands. What the new owner does with the reprint is HIS > > alone to decide. > > all this talk of ethics reminds me ............ > > Who might OWN a copy of Fred Eaglesmith's "Small Motors "in MP3 > and would care to rip me a copy ? Isn't MP3 a music file format?? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 4 07:26:08 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:26:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net><005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com><6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com><4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net><6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net> <004c01c520c3$d63a8c80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <008001c520ce$7e0907c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> And its not that I dont want to pay for it , I will trade files that I " own" > Who might OWN a copy of Fred Eaglesmith's "Small Motors "in MP3 > and would care to rip me a copy ? From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri Mar 4 07:42:17 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:42:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net><005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com><6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com><4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net><6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net><004c01c520c3$d63a8c80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <6f60251605030407185deaf946@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005401c520d0$bed56670$9235ef18@pengy> Perhaps its a ballad about Maytags sung by uncle Dave? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:09:52 -0600, kerogas at sbcglobal.net > wrote: >> >> > No Arnie, The reprint IS NOT Ed's. he sold it to someone. At that point >> > ownership traded hands. What the new owner does with the reprint is HIS >> > alone to decide. >> >> all this talk of ethics reminds me ............ >> >> Who might OWN a copy of Fred Eaglesmith's "Small Motors "in MP3 >> and would care to rip me a copy ? > > Isn't MP3 a music file format?? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Mar 4 08:02:57 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:02:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <6f60251605030407185deaf946@mail.gmail.com> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net> <004c01c520c3$d63a8c80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <6f60251605030407185deaf946@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <14633.165.206.180.118.1109952177.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Yes. MP3 - "music" or sound MPG/MPEG - "movie" JPG/JPEG - "graphic" or picture And the new format being discussed is BYB - "fun" or engine bilL > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:09:52 -0600, kerogas at sbcglobal.net > wrote: >> >> > No Arnie, The reprint IS NOT Ed's. he sold it to someone. At that >> point >> > ownership traded hands. What the new owner does with the reprint is >> HIS >> > alone to decide. >> >> all this talk of ethics reminds me ............ >> >> Who might OWN a copy of Fred Eaglesmith's "Small Motors "in MP3 >> and would care to rip me a copy ? > > Isn't MP3 a music file format?? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Mar 4 08:13:48 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:13:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <005401c520d0$bed56670$9235ef18@pengy> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net><005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com><6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com><4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net><6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net><004c01c520c3$d63a8c80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <6f60251605030407185deaf946@mail.gmail.com> <005401c520d0$bed56670$9235ef18@pengy> Message-ID: <14810.165.206.180.118.1109952828.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Heaven help us........................ earplugs, please?! > Perhaps its a ballad about Maytags sung by uncle Dave? > > Rick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:18 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question > > >> On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:09:52 -0600, kerogas at sbcglobal.net >> wrote: >>> >>> > No Arnie, The reprint IS NOT Ed's. he sold it to someone. At that >>> point >>> > ownership traded hands. What the new owner does with the reprint is >>> HIS >>> > alone to decide. >>> >>> all this talk of ethics reminds me ............ >>> >>> Who might OWN a copy of Fred Eaglesmith's "Small Motors "in MP3 >>> and would care to rip me a copy ? >> >> Isn't MP3 a music file format?? >> >> Peter > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 4 09:23:44 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:23:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net><005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com><6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com><4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net><6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net><004c01c520c3$d63a8c80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><6f60251605030407185deaf946@mail.gmail.com> <005401c520d0$bed56670$9235ef18@pengy> Message-ID: <001b01c520de$eb5a0120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Perhaps its a ballad about Maytags sung by uncle Dave? > No....... but at the end of it they run engines at a wake . I know a bunch of guys like that . http://www.rat.de/kuijsten/eaglesmith/utrecht.html From falcon at telenet.net Fri Mar 4 09:36:44 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:36:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition Message-ID: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> For interested folks here is a place that has the 26th edition of machinery's handbook online. It is a 269 MEG zip file so if your on dial-up it is a 16 hour download. Broadband should be much better. It was posted on a metalworking group. The site is kind of strange in that it will sometimes not come up, but the file is there. Just try it a couple times. http://www.spanburgh.com/files/Machinery's%20Handbook%2026th%20Edition.zip Steve Williams From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 10:32:03 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:32:03 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition In-Reply-To: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605030410321afd9020@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:36:44 -0500, Steve W. wrote: > For interested folks here is a place that has the 26th edition of > machinery's handbook online. It is a 269 MEG zip file so if your on > dial-up it is a 16 hour download. Broadband should be much better. It > was posted on a metalworking group. The site is kind of strange in that > it will sometimes not come up, but the file is there. > Just try it a couple times. > > http://www.spanburgh.com/files/Machinery's%20Handbook%2026th%20Edition.zip > > Steve Williams There are so many folks trying to get at it, the server keeps crashing! I'm on my fourth attempt, takes 1hr 20 mins on my broadband at work, but the first one was corrupt and the second two have failed about halfway through. Up to 170mb as I type.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From marvhed at ecenet.com Fri Mar 4 11:10:43 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:10:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition -OT In-Reply-To: <6f60251605030410321afd9020@mail.gmail.com> References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> <6f60251605030410321afd9020@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <35520.199.62.0.252.1109963443.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> got it the first try, about 20 min, works great!! thanks, marv in minn > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:36:44 -0500, Steve W. wrote: >> For interested folks here is a place that has the 26th edition of >> machinery's handbook online. It is a 269 MEG zip file so if your on >> dial-up it is a 16 hour download. Broadband should be much better. From falcon at telenet.net Fri Mar 4 11:42:04 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:42:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> <6f60251605030410321afd9020@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001c01c520f2$3ee50ca0$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> I'm not even going to try on the home machine. 50,666 dial-up. I'll wait till I can get to a faster machine. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:36:44 -0500, Steve W. wrote: > > For interested folks here is a place that has the 26th edition of > > machinery's handbook online. It is a 269 MEG zip file so if your on > > dial-up it is a 16 hour download. Broadband should be much better. It > > was posted on a metalworking group. The site is kind of strange in that > > it will sometimes not come up, but the file is there. > > Just try it a couple times. > > > > http://www.spanburgh.com/files/Machinery's%20Handbook%2026th%20Edition.zip > > > > Steve Williams > > There are so many folks trying to get at it, the server keeps crashing! > > I'm on my fourth attempt, takes 1hr 20 mins on my broadband at work, > but the first one was corrupt and the second two have failed about > halfway through. Up to 170mb as I type.... > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paul at semidiesel.com Fri Mar 4 12:08:38 2005 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:08:38 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <35520.199.62.0.252.1109963443.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Listerdiesel wrote: > I know that Paul Evans tried password protecting the access, but that > becomes an administrative nightmare and takes up time, so I think he > dropped it eventually. News to me, we never used it. Password protection on PDFs is easy to implement but pointless as has been pointed out. Personally I would not choose to use PDF anyway as it is a proprietary format I would have preferred Group 4 TIFF as an internationally agreed standard. However, most people seem to prefer PDF and they are the ones reading the things. We were never concerned about people copying as such, the idea was and is to make the info available. It was just that we were struggling to fund a free service and the museum was the loser with the system as it was. The current system of a one off fee has helped fund the server and buy new manuals, people who are stuck usually email and are still sent copies - typically about 20 manuals a day, increased work for us but at least we don't feel like idiots any more. Cheers Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date: 01/03/05 From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Fri Mar 4 12:54:33 2005 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:54:33 -0000 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip Message-ID: <014c01c520fc$79a82fc0$129ae150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi all, I seem to be one of those people that lurks in the background , only passing coment once in a while,after reading what has been said on this subject I thought I would have a go. It was decided that in stead of talking about going on to the continet to show our engines that we would actually take the plunge and show engines several times at the show In Nunen ( which is in Holland) and thinking that they were really great time with very friendly people from all over mainland eurpoe and further afield. After doing this 2 or 3 time Nev Beaty persuaded me that I should really try going to states as they had some really wicked shows. So it was about this time last year that all the arrangments were made by Nev. We left the UK in time to be over the pond ta attend the Badger steam and gas show.First it was sorted to go to McConnell to see Curt and Becky Andre who had made all the necessary arrangments for us and allthe list members who were there, also Curt had arranged for us to exhibit a couple of his engines.( I think this could be the first time a Scots man and a English man participated). We were made to fell totally at home by the members of the list that were there that weekend, after which we stayed the night with Curt and Becky, then left for Portland. All the arrangments for the accomidation at Portland were made by Scott Harvey. On attending it was sorted so Nev exhibited an engine owned by Scott, I on the other hand registered Arnies bessemer ( another first in having Scotland represented at Portland later to become lake Portland) After meeting a lot of list members to many to mention with the possibility of missing someone out we were invited to join everyone at Decatur for the evening. I can only conclude by saying that my first trip over the pond was my best engine trip so far. See you latter Craig from sunny Scotland. P.S I hope to be back next year !!! From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Mar 4 13:00:09 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:00:09 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> <6f60251605030410321afd9020@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003601c520fd$27ce1880$8c9f0952@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:36:44 -0500, Steve W. wrote: > > For interested folks here is a place that has the 26th edition of > > machinery's handbook online. It is a 269 MEG zip file so if your on > > dial-up it is a 16 hour download. Broadband should be much better. It > > was posted on a metalworking group. The site is kind of strange in that > > it will sometimes not come up, but the file is there. > > Just try it a couple times. > > > > http://www.spanburgh.com/files/Machinery's%20Handbook%2026th%20Edition.zip > > Steve Williams > There are so many folks trying to get at it, the server keeps crashing! > I'm on my fourth attempt, takes 1hr 20 mins on my broadband at work, > but the first one was corrupt and the second two have failed about > halfway through. Up to 170mb as I type.... > Peter I have tried twice. My machine predicts a 2 hour download but the server gets reset about 2/3 the way through. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Mar 4 13:07:16 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:07:16 EST Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition Message-ID: <45.23525811.2f5a2804@aol.com> In a message dated 3/4/2005 3:06:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, falcon at telenet.net writes: << I'm not even going to try on the home machine. 50,666 dial-up. I'll wait till I can get to a faster machine. >> You can usually buy a used one for little or nothing. Has most data in the earlier versions that we use on a regular basis. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Mar 4 14:02:54 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:02:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Computer Problems Message-ID: <4228DB0E.4020502@fidnet.com> Can anyone offer some help? Last night I downloaded an update for Mozilla Firefox. This and thus far today I can't access the internet. I get a message "can't locate start.mozilla.org" or "can't locate fidnet.com (or whatever site I am trying to access)" I have tried IE as well as Opera and get the message "can't locate fidnet.com" even when I have accessed fidnet to download email with Mozilla Thunderbird. What do I need to do? Help! Gary -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From cjclem at sysim.net Fri Mar 4 14:16:01 2005 From: cjclem at sysim.net (Jack) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:16:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books Message-ID: <1109974561.4228de210a3b6@webmail.sysim.net> What do you folks think of the growing number of dealers, collectors, etc who are tearing, cutting individual pages or ads out of old books to maximise there $$$$$$ take on ebay??? Here are a few examples> 3 for Galloway, 3878583263, 3879206934, 3879209473, Witte,3878140590 There are usually many more but this is getting disgusting, clipping old original books for greed. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 14:42:04 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 22:42:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Computer Problems In-Reply-To: <4228DB0E.4020502@fidnet.com> References: <4228DB0E.4020502@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050304144252ff5061@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:02:54 -0600, Gary Epps wrote: > Can anyone offer some help? Last night I downloaded an update for > Mozilla Firefox. This and thus far today I can't access the internet. > I get a message "can't locate start.mozilla.org" or "can't locate > fidnet.com (or whatever site I am trying to access)" > > I have tried IE as well as Opera and get the message "can't locate > fidnet.com" even when I have accessed fidnet to download email with > Mozilla Thunderbird. > > What do I need to do? Help! > > Gary Somewhere in your PC there is a section called "Network & Dial-Up Connections". In there should be the dial-up connection that you use to access anything on the internet. If you are on DSL then most of it won't apply. The browsers need to know how to handle dial-up or other connections, and that section of your Operating System tells them how. Firefox doesn't have a lot in the Options section, but if they all fall over, it is a common point which should be in there. If you need to, look into the connection, right click it and click on properties and have a look through. Most of the stuff is pretty standard. DSL users don't need that at all as the system is already on, so don't go changing too much until you know what is broke. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 14:43:44 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 22:43:44 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books In-Reply-To: <1109974561.4228de210a3b6@webmail.sysim.net> References: <1109974561.4228de210a3b6@webmail.sysim.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160503041443db9994f@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:16:01 -0600, Jack wrote: > What do you folks think of the growing number of dealers, collectors, > etc who are tearing, cutting individual pages or ads out of old books > to maximise there $$$$$$ take on ebay??? Here are a few examples> 3 for > Galloway, 3878583263, 3879206934, 3879209473, Witte,3878140590 There > are usually many more but this is getting disgusting, clipping old > original books for greed. > Very much against it personally, but there is no law agin it.... As long as folks pay for the items, they will continue to destroy the books. It happens over here, there are a couple of dealers in France who regularly offer pages out of old publications with engine stuff on. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 14:46:12 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 22:46:12 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: References: <35520.199.62.0.252.1109963443.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605030414466a5398b7@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:08:38 -0000, Paul Evans wrote: > Listerdiesel wrote: > > > I know that Paul Evans tried password protecting the access, but that > > becomes an administrative nightmare and takes up time, so I think he > > dropped it eventually. > > News to me, we never used it. Apologies, I must have got hold of the wrong end of that discussion. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 4 14:49:42 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:49:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books References: <1109974561.4228de210a3b6@webmail.sysim.net> Message-ID: <001501c5210c$7535a020$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> There > are usually many more but this is getting disgusting, clipping old > original books for greed. I have really freaked out a couple of brass bike dweebs in the past it seems that it is very uncouth in the" upper orbit" of that clique , to ride your pre teen bike around for fun . Or maybe just mine eh ? "They are just too fragile and irreplacable " You could crash it .. Bwahahahaha . Its my book, its my engine , its my bike , if I want to tear out the pages and use it in the outhouse , bend the handlebars with a torch or ride it in an empty swimming pool . I will . Chuck Balyeat " I was going the fastest I ever went , and then , I just fell off " Halsey Knox From George_Best at adp.com Fri Mar 4 15:10:14 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:10:14 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF093570@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> The couple that I looked at were magazine ads. I think there is a difference between cutting out magazine ads or pages, and taking pages out of a book. While there are people who collect magazines and hate to see any magazine cut up there are valid reasons for doing so. Quite often the ad in a magazine is all that a buyer is interested in. There are also cases where the magazine cover was missing or other pages were missing which made the magazine not desirable to a collector. Books are different in that usually the entire book is on or related to any illustrations that may be found in the book, and the entire book would be of interest to a collector. Although I could see in cases where part of the book was in poor condition that harvesting good illustrations may be okay. WAIT George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jack > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 2:16 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books > > What do you folks think of the growing number of dealers, > collectors, etc who are tearing, cutting individual pages or > ads out of old books to maximise there $$$$$$ take on ebay??? > Here are a few examples> 3 for Galloway, 3878583263, > 3879206934, 3879209473, Witte,3878140590 There are usually > many more but this is getting disgusting, clipping old > original books for greed. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 4 15:20:02 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:20:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books In-Reply-To: <1109974561.4228de210a3b6@webmail.sysim.net> References: <1109974561.4228de210a3b6@webmail.sysim.net> Message-ID: Hi Jack, Cutting up the books only works as long as folks are willing to buy. It's the same thing with the brass theives who remove engine nameplates and sell those. I will never buy a nameplate. I don't want to encourage those bastards. See ya, Arnie On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Jack wrote: > What do you folks think of the growing number of dealers, collectors, > etc who are tearing, cutting individual pages or ads out of old books > to maximise there $$$$$$ take on ebay??? Here are a few examples> 3 for > Galloway, 3878583263, 3879206934, 3879209473, Witte,3878140590 There > are usually many more but this is getting disgusting, clipping old > original books for greed. From paul at semidiesel.com Fri Mar 4 15:33:21 2005 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 23:33:21 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <6f60251605030414466a5398b7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Listerdiesel wrote: > Apologies, I must have got hold of the wrong end of that discussion. Not a problem :-) Cheers Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date: 01/03/05 From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 4 15:50:28 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:50:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Friends of the Internal Fire Museum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Folks, One thing to be sure and check out on the Internal Fire website. Notice how easy it is to join the Friends of the Museum making a small tax-deductible contribution to the museum using PayPal. In addition to helping the museum improve its exhibits, you also then get access to all of the manuals, etc. in the on-line documentation collection. What a deal and soooo easy. Do it tonight!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Paul Evans wrote: > The current system of a one off fee has helped fund the server and buy > new manuals, people who are stuck usually email and are still sent > copies - typically about 20 manuals a day, increased work for > us but at least we don't feel like idiots any more. > > Cheers > Paul > > http://www.internalfire.com > Internal Fire, Museum of Power > Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales > Tel: 01239 811212 > > Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. > > -- From George_Best at adp.com Fri Mar 4 15:50:22 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:50:22 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF093588@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> > Cutting up the books only works as long as folks are willing to buy. > It's the same thing with the brass theives who remove engine > nameplates and sell those. I will never buy a nameplate. I > don't want to encourage those bastards. > > See ya, Arnie Arnie, Are you saying if you had a engine which was missing a nameplate that you wouldn't buy it ;-) Especially if it happened to have the correct serial number already on it :-) Never say never ;-) WAIT George From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri Mar 4 15:54:34 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:54:34 EST Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books, maybe OT, but, pertaining to old iron and such Message-ID: Hi cjclem, My thought is that if I own it, I don't need to ask your permission to dispose of it in any way I wish. You may, of course, be disgusted, but I doubt you know enough of my motivation to throw the word "greed" at me with any degree of accuracy and I am not even sure of your definition of the term "greed." What do you mean? Here's an example of a situation I'll have to soon face. I have some bound issues of a very early stationary engineer's monthly magazine. The binding is home made, and the magazines are in excellent condition. The full page ads for everything from automobiles to steam engine lubricants are interesting, and, I am sure, some are very "collectible" but they mean little to me as most of my collecting focus is in a slightly different direction. One day I mean to get rid of all of it. When I do, should I, a. Toss the stuff in the trash since it doesn't interest me? b. Offer it up as a collection on eBay, knowing it will sell, but not for much. c. Remove the binding, select those ads that are most likely to sell on eBay, and sell what I can page by page and then offer up the remainder as a pile of old stuff. I am inclined to do method "c." and use any gain I make to further my hobby interests. Entropy is our destiny. Kicking and screaming may slow it, but never stop it. Now, about greed. Just what do you mean? Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA In a message dated 3/4/2005 4:38:51 PM Central Standard Time, cjclem at sysim.net writes: What do you folks think of the growing number of dealers, collectors, etc who are tearing, cutting individual pages or ads out of old books to maximise there $$$$$$ take on ebay??? Here are a few examples> 3 for Galloway, 3878583263, 3879206934, 3879209473, Witte,3878140590 There are usually many more but this is getting disgusting, clipping old original books for greed. From paul at semidiesel.com Fri Mar 4 16:12:38 2005 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 00:12:38 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Sulzer Blast Injection Diesel In-Reply-To: <001c01c520f2$3ee50ca0$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: We have an interesting event at the museum on Easter Monday 28th March, I'll put some video and pics on the site afterwards. We were very lucky last year to acquire a 1912 Sulzer 25hp single cylinder air blast Diesel with less than 50 hours running time. The engine last ran in 1936 and was kept in a heated environment until removal last year. Working on it has been an absolute joy as it is in perfect condition, not a nut rounded off anywhere and everything comes apart as it should. The engine has now turned over on compressed air but we need new high pressure bottles before we can run for the first time. Starting air is 900 p.s.i and injection air 650 p.s.i. (no load) Plenty of work to be done yet to finish the "engine room" before Easter but it should all work ok. Pics at:- http://www.internalfire.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=49 Cheers Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date: 01/03/05 From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 4 16:22:44 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:22:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition In-Reply-To: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wow Steve, Someone spent a lot of time scanning that one fer sure,,, I think I only paid about $6.00 plus $4.00 shipping for my 1953 14th edition. It is 1911 pages with the index. I sure wouldn't bother printing out all those sheets of paper when there are books out there to buy. I just saw one for $5.50 and one for %9.50 at http://www.abebooks.com YES!!! REAL books. 8>)) Go get 'em. Alan Bowen --- "Steve W." wrote: > For interested folks here is a place that has the 26th edition of > machinery's handbook online. It is a 269 MEG zip file so if your on > dial-up it is a 16 hour download. Broadband should be much better. It > was posted on a metalworking group. The site is kind of strange in that > it will sometimes not come up, but the file is there. > Just try it a couple times. > http://www.spanburgh.com/files/Machinery's%20Handbook%2026th%20Edition.zip > > Steve Williams __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Fri Mar 4 16:25:14 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 08:25:14 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Computer Problems In-Reply-To: <4228DB0E.4020502@fidnet.com> References: <4228DB0E.4020502@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <4228FC6A.4060506@optusnet.com.au> Gary Epps wrote: > Can anyone offer some help? Last night I downloaded an update for > Mozilla Firefox. This and thus far today I can't access the internet. > I get a message "can't locate start.mozilla.org" or "can't locate > fidnet.com (or whatever site I am trying to access)" > > I have tried IE as well as Opera and get the message "can't locate > fidnet.com" even when I have accessed fidnet to download email with > Mozilla Thunderbird. > > What do I need to do? Help! > > Gary ========== I am having the same trouble, Gary. OK with OE and the original Mozilla, but I installed and only want to use the Mozilla sub-sets Firefox and Thunderbird, but they both report "Unable to access your Provider". I was able to do this when on dial-up, but no so with broadband. I tried my provider's support help-line, but they say they only support OE & IE. T'bird & F'fox only offer token help. Will be interested to learn more. Jack in Oz ========== From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Mar 4 16:34:05 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:34:05 EST Subject: [SEL] Natural Gas Leak Repair O.T. Message-ID: <7b.404961ef.2f5a587d@aol.com> Hi List, Yesterday, our local gas company were doing their periodic gas leak checks. They found the line going to our house was leaking. We had a similar problem about ten ago. In a matter of minutes, a repair crew arrived at my home. They hooked up an electronic sniffer and located where the line was located on my property and in the street. I was envisioning a trencher coming to dig up the leaking line. However, I was wrong. The house meter was disconnected and a temporary gas supply was connected to provide gas while they were working to get rid of the leak. The first thing after they dug up the area (about 3' x 3' x3') where my gas line interfaced with the street main was to heat the house line and pinch it with a hydraulic snubber. This action cutoff gas flow to the house. Next, the house line was cut about 6" from the pinched area. Then, the end of pipe connecting to the main was gas welded. A modified valve was then gas welded to the gas main. Somehow, the workers were able to insert a plastic line into the existing house gas line. This new line was sealed at the meter interface and connected to the modified valve. Then, this new line along with the modified valve was pressurized to leak check the new plastic line, meter interface, and new welded joint. Since the plastic line broke the electrical continuity between the gas main and the house line, a ground wire was installed from the old metal line and the gas main. The final tie in to the gas main was made through the modified valve. A cutting tool was inserted into the modified valve to drill through the welded joint to allow gas to flow through the new line. All this work was done on a pressurized system. Watching the gas personnel do this repair, reminded of a similar incident that happen many years ago when my grandfather had city water service installed. I recall that a similar device was used to hook up the service line to the water main. Instead of a welded valve, a saddle valve was installed on the water main in the street. Then, the workers drilled into the water main through the valve body. After penetrating the water main the drill was removed and the valve was closed. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Fri Mar 4 16:45:06 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:45:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re:BYB BRB - Update References: <20050303120236.74391.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> <422754B4.7010009@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <003b01c5211c$941ce650$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> You might think about checking in with our buddy Ted. He dosen't sound right. He and his have had a lot of problems and might be in need. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re:BYB BRB - Update > Tommy / Rick, > > In Richard's piece in the current GEM, I think he said something about > Wendel returning to GEN as a contributor. I thought he also said > something about the status / scope of the update to the bible. I don't > have my GEM handy... Would someone take a look? > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> I know an update is in the works. Whether it will be a complete >> reprint of the original or a supplemental update I haven't heard >> however. Either way, it will be something all of us need to have. >> >> >> >Rumor control has it that they are in the process of being >> >republished..possibly updated. >> > >> >Any truth to that and if so where are they available? >> > >> >RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.0 - Release Date: 3/2/2005 > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 4 16:45:28 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:45:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] 5hp Bulldog In-Reply-To: <3rr769$pbp82s@mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <20050305004529.90687.qmail@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi J.B. Try this link. http://www.planefacts.co.uk/engines/images/bulldog1_jpg.jpg I know it looks the same, but it works for me. I got the same result when I clicked on Rob's link. If my link doesn't work then go to http://www.planefacts.co.uk/engines/images/ and click on bulldog1_jpg.jpg That will get you there for sure. Alan Bowen --- jbcast at charter.net wrote: From: "Rob Skinner" > http://www.planefacts.co.uk/engines/images/bulldog1_jpg.jpg Rob, when I click on the link I get accused of being a thief and can't get any farther. J.B. __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 4 17:11:23 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:11:23 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books In-Reply-To: <1109974561.4228de210a3b6@webmail.sysim.net> Message-ID: <200503050111.j251BQZn042648@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > What do you folks think of the growing number of dealers, > collectors, etc who are tearing, cutting individual pages or > ads out of old books to maximise there $$$$$$ take on ebay??? Hi Jack, When I first started playing with engines I'd get all excited when I saw an ad for one of my engines. Then I stopped and thought about what the sellers were doing: mutilating historical artifacts so they could turn a quick buck. After that, I decided not to encourage such activity. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 4 17:18:45 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:18:45 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Was: Tearing up the Books Now: Brass bikes In-Reply-To: <001501c5210c$7535a020$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <200503050118.j251ImvP046030@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > I have really freaked out a couple of brass bike dweebs in the past > it seems that it is very uncouth in the" upper orbit" of that clique , > to ride your pre teen bike around for fun . Or maybe just mine eh ? > "They are just too fragile and irreplacable " You could crash it .. Hey Chuck, I didn't know you played with bikes that old. Whatcha ride? We got to visit a chap last year who had some bikes. Just sitting on it way up there in the sky was a scary experience. It certainly wasn't the sort of thing you'd want to lean over into an 80 mph curve. A no hander on the doubles is out of the question. Rob From jimjirik at earthlink.net Fri Mar 4 17:25:17 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:25:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB Message-ID: <410-220053651251730@earthlink.net> Thanks especially to George and Arnie for leading me to search for a copy of a book I didn't know existed until a few days ago. I started searching for a copy that day and found a BRB for $26.95! It was delivered today and is in excellent shape- can't tell that anyone had ever opened it! I'm new in this hobby and had NO IDEA how many different kinds of engines were out there. Looks like I have a lot to learn and see. Anyway, thanks again to all of you! Jim Jirik Bonner Springs, KS > [Original Message] > From: Jim Jirik > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 3/2/2005 10:11:04 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB/BRB > > Thanks to all of you leading me to the search, I just bought a BRB online for $26.95!!! I used my credit card so that if it is a hoax I can challenge the charge. I decided to opt for the $6.95 3-5 day shipping option so I'll let you all know if I get the real thing! > > Jim Jirik > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Croft > Sent: Mar 2, 2005 2:59 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB/BRB > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB/BRB > > > > I only have one copy. They are kinda spendy these days unless you get a > > deal. Mine was $160 on e-bay, and that seems to be about the going rate. > > For those of you looking for your first one check e-bay daily using > > keyword Wendel. That give the best results and sometimes you will find > > one in the wrong category. That can spell bargain. This is a must have > > book if you play with old engines. > > Jeff Allen > > I wish you guys wouldn't remind me of my past mistakes. > About 20 years ago I met an old man living in a dilapidated > (But Expensive) country house. The only room in the house > that was spotless was his workshop. > I kept in touch by telephone & after about 5 years he didn't > reply to the phone. > I wrote to him & a relative said that he had died. He had sold > all the machine tools but said that I could buy the contents of the > derilict wooden garage. > I spent the entire summer at Engine shows selling the gear to recover > my money. The stuff left which cost me nothing was > An open frame Royce Dynamo and brass ammeter marked with > the origional Royce works. (Pre Rolls Royce.about 1890} > American Gasoline Engines since 1872 (BYB) > Encyclopedia of American Farm Tractors > 150 Years of International Harvester > Encyclopedia of American Steam Traction Engines > > My regrets are I sold the Traction Engine book for a good price > (At the time,cheap now) & a Dutchman offered me so much for the > Dynamo that I sold it in a moment of need. > Are my remaining Wendel books worth much nowadays? > > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Mar 4 17:28:36 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:28:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sulzer Blast Injection Diesel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Paul, that's awesome! I'd sure like to see that one run! On Mar 4, 2005, at 7:12 PM, Paul Evans wrote: > We were very lucky last year to acquire a 1912 Sulzer 25hp single > cylinder air blast Diesel with > less than 50 hours running time. The engine last ran in 1936 and was > kept in a heated environment > until removal last year. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 4 17:36:45 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:36:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books In-Reply-To: <1109974561.4228de210a3b6@webmail.sysim.net> Message-ID: <20050305013645.9955.qmail@web31304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I know what you mean, Jack. Last summer I bought a 1919 Successful Farming magazine off EBay. I got the whole thing for about three bucks. There were at least four different ads for known gas engines plus two or three ads for engines that I had never heard of. So,, I grabbed my BPBB and waddaya know,,, Those companies weren't mentioned there either. Not even in the list of names in the back. Those older issues of magazines are getting harder to find whole now becuase folks are tearing them apart to make more money. I guess that is their right. Alan Bowen --- Jack wrote: > What do you folks think of the growing number of dealers, collectors, > etc who are tearing, cutting individual pages or ads out of old books > to maximise there $$$$$$ take on ebay??? Here are a few examples> 3 for > Galloway, 3878583263, 3879206934, 3879209473, Witte,3878140590 There > are usually many more but this is getting disgusting, clipping old > original books for greed. __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri Mar 4 18:42:10 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:42:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net><005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com><6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com><4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net><6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net><004c01c520c3$d63a8c80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><6f60251605030407185deaf946@mail.gmail.com><005401c520d0$bed56670$9235ef18@pengy> <001b01c520de$eb5a0120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <015c01c5212c$edf39b50$9235ef18@pengy> Ooh thats a great song!!! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question > > > >> Perhaps its a ballad about Maytags sung by uncle Dave? >> > > > No....... but at the end of it they run engines at a wake . > I know a bunch of guys like that . > > http://www.rat.de/kuijsten/eaglesmith/utrecht.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Mar 4 18:53:10 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:53:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books In-Reply-To: <1109974561.4228de210a3b6@webmail.sysim.net> References: <1109974561.4228de210a3b6@webmail.sysim.net> Message-ID: <42291F16.6080603@earthlink.net> Some people use old engines for planters. Fill the hopper with dirt and plant flowers. Damn shame, but they own it. Nuthin different about the books. Quite honestly, I am shit full of others telling me what to do with what I own. I purchase "collectable toys" on e-bay and give them to my grandson to play with. My choice, cause once I own it I can do whatever I want with it. Nunya!! Jeff Jack wrote: > What do you folks think of the growing number of dealers, collectors, >etc who are tearing, cutting individual pages or ads out of old books >to maximise there $$$$$$ take on ebay??? Here are a few examples> 3 for >Galloway, 3878583263, 3879206934, 3879209473, Witte,3878140590 There >are usually many more but this is getting disgusting, clipping old >original books for greed. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jbcast at charter.net Fri Mar 4 20:07:07 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 4:07:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 5hp Bulldog Message-ID: <3rrac5$nar6e5@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> > Try this link. > > http://www.planefacts.co.uk/engines/images/bulldog1_jpg.jpg > > I know it looks the same, but it works for me. I got the same result when I clicked on Rob's > link. > > If my link doesn't work then go to > > http://www.planefacts.co.uk/engines/images/ > > and click on > > bulldog1_jpg.jpg > > That will get you there for sure. > > Alan Bowen. > Alan, had to go to the second link, thanks. J.B. From galoway4 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 4 20:08:00 2005 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 22:08:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF093588@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Message-ID: <000c01c52138$ed7b4090$76aa9b18@jake> No.George . He prefers sticky fingers. To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 5:50 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Tearing up the Books > >> Cutting up the books only works as long as folks are willing to buy. >> It's the same thing with the brass theives who remove engine >> nameplates and sell those. I will never buy a nameplate. I >> don't want to encourage those bastards. >> >> See ya, Arnie > > Arnie, > > Are you saying if you had a engine which was missing a nameplate that > you wouldn't buy it ;-) Especially if it happened to have the correct > serial number already on it :-) > > Never say never ;-) > > WAIT George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Fri Mar 4 20:36:31 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 23:36:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition References: <20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003f01c5213c$e824b000$1c1117d1@net.telenet.net> True real books are out there, BUT there are a few advantages to having a digital copy as well as a paper copy. I like having a digital copy since I have computers in the house networked to the one in the shop. That is why I'm scanning in the parts books and service manuals that I have here since it is easier to look up and examine them on the screen. I hardly ever print out the books I have on the computer anyway, unless I need a page or two for specs or to diagram modifications. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition > Wow Steve, > > Someone spent a lot of time scanning that one fer sure,,, > I think I only paid about $6.00 plus $4.00 shipping for my 1953 14th edition. > It is 1911 pages with the index. I sure wouldn't bother printing out all those sheets of paper > when there are books out there to buy. > > I just saw one for $5.50 and one for %9.50 at > http://www.abebooks.com > > YES!!! REAL books. 8>)) > > Go get 'em. > > Alan Bowen > > --- "Steve W." wrote: > > > For interested folks here is a place that has the 26th edition of > > machinery's handbook online. It is a 269 MEG zip file so if your on > > dial-up it is a 16 hour download. Broadband should be much better. It > > was posted on a metalworking group. The site is kind of strange in that > > it will sometimes not come up, but the file is there. > > Just try it a couple times. > > > http://www.spanburgh.com/files/Machinery's%20Handbook%2026th%20Edition.zip > > > > Steve Williams > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Fri Mar 4 17:51:05 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 09:51:05 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books In-Reply-To: <1109974561.4228de210a3b6@webmail.sysim.net> References: <1109974561.4228de210a3b6@webmail.sysim.net> Message-ID: <42291089.4020104@optusnet.com.au> Jack wrote: > What do you folks think of the growing number of dealers, collectors, >etc who are tearing, cutting individual pages or ads out of old books >to maximise there $$$$$$ take on ebay??? Here are a few examples> 3 for >Galloway, 3878583263, 3879206934, 3879209473, Witte,3878140590 There >are usually many more but this is getting disgusting, clipping old >original books for greed. >================ > > It was put to me many years ago that we do not really "own" our old engines, cars, bikes, books etc. They are merely in our custody for the time being, and it behoves us to hand them on to the future custodians in at least as good condition as we received them. If I should choose to modify a machine, say to make a hotrod out of a 19xx Stutz Bearcat, I am perfectly free to do so, but I should keep the original bits for some later poor wretch who will have to undo all my machinations. Jack in Oz (P.S. I do not own a Stutz Bearcat!) ============== From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 23:48:31 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 07:48:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition In-Reply-To: <20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> <20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:22:44 -0800 (PST), Alan Bowen wrote: > Wow Steve, > > Someone spent a lot of time scanning that one fer sure,,, > I think I only paid about $6.00 plus $4.00 shipping for my 1953 14th edition. > It is 1911 pages with the index. I sure wouldn't bother printing out all those sheets of paper > when there are books out there to buy. > > I just saw one for $5.50 and one for %9.50 at > http://www.abebooks.com > > YES!!! REAL books. 8>)) > > Go get 'em. This is a copy of Machinery's own CD, not a home-made scan. We have 11th, 12th and 13th editions in the book, you can't take a CD to bed and read it! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Mar 5 01:39:39 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:39:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Oz Auction Report Message-ID: <200503050939.j259dbnR096413@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Ron Sullivan and I went for a little day trip today to attend an auction down in Wagga Wagga. I left at 3.30am and arrived home at 8.00pm after covering 900km. The weather was pretty poor but there was a big turn up of bidders on the fairly good range of engines offered. After looking over the engines I did notice one sad thing: many of the engines had suffered some damage in being transported to the auction site! There was a Famous with a newly snapped Webster bracket, an engine with a broken transporter wheel (from being dropped, most likely) and all sorts of other minor damage :( Here are some of the engines at the Auction with some results (note: my prices are at the fall of the hammer and do not include the 11% buyers premium) Tangye (portable, 95% complete) $2050 Hornsby Gas Engine (99% complete) $2000 Bentall 4hp vertical (restored) $1500 8hp Famous with transport and stationary base(90% complete, some broken parts) $2800 10hp IHC M portable (95% complete) $1700 Lister N $800 15hp McDonald $1250 6hp IHC M (restored) $950 5hp Emu (throttle-governed Hercules) $900 3hp IHC M (low tension) $420 Ronnie N 2hp $50 Alfa Laval 2hp (Ronnie N) $90 Petter Apple Top (incomplete, poor condition) $320 Palmer Marine $140 Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Mar 5 04:00:19 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:00:19 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net><20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008a01c5217a$eb303920$c9b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> I get by very well with my 21st edition of Machinery's Hand book, going through my collection i have Engineering Workshop Data by Arthur W Judge 1947, Fowlers Mechanics and Machinists Pocket Book 1961, Fowlers Mechanical Engineers Pocket Book1961 and The Practical Engineer Pocket Book and Diary 1913 ,the latter was purchased in Tyrrell's Bookshop in Sydney for 2/6 Interested to hear of any other old books.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:22:44 -0800 (PST), Alan Bowen > wrote: >> Wow Steve, >> >> Someone spent a lot of time scanning that one fer sure,,, >> I think I only paid about $6.00 plus $4.00 shipping for my 1953 14th >> edition. >> It is 1911 pages with the index. I sure wouldn't bother printing out all >> those sheets of paper >> when there are books out there to buy. >> >> I just saw one for $5.50 and one for %9.50 at >> http://www.abebooks.com >> >> YES!!! REAL books. 8>)) >> >> Go get 'em. > > This is a copy of Machinery's own CD, not a home-made scan. > > We have 11th, 12th and 13th editions in the book, you can't take a CD > to bed and read it! :-)) > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 5 05:57:30 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:57:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books In-Reply-To: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF093588@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF093588@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Message-ID: Hi George, Gee, that's an easy one. My serial number huh? I'd shoot the friggin' thief and take back the nameplate!! Then probably shoot 'em again for good measure. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, George Best wrote: > Are you saying if you had a engine which was missing a nameplate that > you wouldn't buy it ;-) Especially if it happened to have the correct > serial number already on it :-) From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 5 06:27:13 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:27:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB In-Reply-To: <410-220053651251730@earthlink.net> References: <410-220053651251730@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Jim, Ahhhhh, welcome to the subtle pleasures of this incredible hobby. When you come right down to it, the "basics" are really simple. You need to provide a suitable mixture of fuel and air, usually under compression, provide a means to ignite it, provide a means to transfer that released energy to other equipment to do useful work, and provide a means of regulating the whole works. The joy and delight in the hobby is in discovering all of the mind-boggling ways that creative engine men devised to accomplish those basics. In some cases a wildly different approach was the result of creative engineering, sometimes the result of chewing on "magic" mushrooms, and sometimes just looking for SOME way to get around the other guy's patents and make a quick buck. Some of these companies were very successful and very prolific (think the IHC "M" and the Hercules / Economy lines). Other companies made a handful of engines and folded. As you start out, everything is wildly different and exciting. As the years pass and your "shows attended" grows into the hundreds, your eye sharpens. Many engines you've seen hundreds of examples of. What catches your eye is now the odd variation on the familiar, maybe a clever "farmer's repair", maybe a neat display of driven equipment and literature, maybe the look of flushed excitement of a "first time" exhibitor, and every so often, the incredible rush that comes with "What the HELL is THAT engine????" One thing I've learned at this point is that there is SOOOOOO much more to learn!!! We'll NEVER see 'em all. And this brings me to the next point. I think you were warned earlier that these damn things start to multiply in your engine shed. As you read and reread your BYB, take notice of how many times you say "Wow, isn't THAT engine neat. I'd love to have one of THOSE!" heh-heh-heh. Your collection will grow as your funds and space permit. ENJOY!!! See ya, Arnie PS - Oh, lest I forget to mention it, perhaps the greatest pleasure in this hobby is getting to meet and know other like-minded folks. And one of the very best places to do THAT is at Portland!! Be there! 8-)) Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_Ah at city-net.com On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Jim Jirik wrote: > Thanks especially to George and Arnie for leading me to search for a copy > of a book I didn't know existed until a few days ago. I started searching > for a copy that day and found a BRB for $26.95! It was delivered today and > is in excellent shape- can't tell that anyone had ever opened it! I'm new > in this hobby and had NO IDEA how many different kinds of engines were out > there. Looks like I have a lot to learn and see. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat Mar 5 06:44:55 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 15:44:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Oz Auction Report References: <200503050939.j259dbnR096413@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001f01c52191$e5f17bb0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Patrick, if I had be there the 10 M was mine :o)) John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Ron Sullivan and I went for a little day trip today to attend an auction > down in Wagga Wagga. I left at 3.30am and arrived home at 8.00pm after > covering 900km. > The weather was pretty poor but there was a big turn up of bidders on the > fairly good range of engines offered. After looking over the engines I did > notice one sad thing: many of the engines had suffered some damage in being > transported to the auction site! There was a Famous with a newly snapped > Webster bracket, an engine with a broken transporter wheel (from being > dropped, most likely) and all sorts of other minor damage :( > Here are some of the engines at the Auction with some results (note: my > prices are at the fall of the hammer and do not include the 11% buyers > premium) > > Tangye (portable, 95% complete) $2050 > Hornsby Gas Engine (99% complete) $2000 > Bentall 4hp vertical (restored) $1500 > 8hp Famous with transport and stationary base(90% complete, some broken > parts) $2800 > 10hp IHC M portable (95% complete) $1700 > Lister N $800 > 15hp McDonald $1250 > 6hp IHC M (restored) $950 > 5hp Emu (throttle-governed Hercules) $900 > 3hp IHC M (low tension) $420 > Ronnie N 2hp $50 > Alfa Laval 2hp (Ronnie N) $90 > Petter Apple Top (incomplete, poor condition) $320 > Palmer Marine $140 > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Mar 5 08:10:34 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:10:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net><20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com> <008a01c5217a$eb303920$c9b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <019601c5219d$dcf14a70$9235ef18@pengy> The technical library of the Tod Engine Foundation has at least a hundred or more engineering textbooks dating back to an 1893 edition of Applied Mechanics up to more modern stuff through the forties. After WWII the collections thins out some. I've been frequenting every flea market and antique mall that I can find. Rarely do I leave without one or more old books under my arm. Of course there is also a health selection of Lindsay's books. Its funny that none of what is in our library duplicates any of what he reprints. Also I rarely find duplicates in antique malls, there are always different texts to find. Everybody must have been publishing technical books in the first half of the 20th century! We also have a 21st edition and 7th edition of the Machinery's Handbook. Both are indespensible since they do have some different information in each. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition >I get by very well with my 21st edition of Machinery's Hand book, going >through my collection i have Engineering Workshop Data by Arthur W Judge >1947, Fowlers Mechanics and Machinists Pocket Book 1961, Fowlers Mechanical >Engineers Pocket Book1961 and The Practical Engineer Pocket Book and Diary >1913 ,the latter was purchased in Tyrrell's Bookshop in Sydney for 2/6 > Interested to hear of any other old books.... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 3:48 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition > > >> On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:22:44 -0800 (PST), Alan Bowen >> wrote: >>> Wow Steve, >>> >>> Someone spent a lot of time scanning that one fer sure,,, >>> I think I only paid about $6.00 plus $4.00 shipping for my 1953 14th >>> edition. >>> It is 1911 pages with the index. I sure wouldn't bother printing out >>> all those sheets of paper >>> when there are books out there to buy. >>> >>> I just saw one for $5.50 and one for %9.50 at >>> http://www.abebooks.com >>> >>> YES!!! REAL books. 8>)) >>> >>> Go get 'em. >> >> This is a copy of Machinery's own CD, not a home-made scan. >> >> We have 11th, 12th and 13th editions in the book, you can't take a CD >> to bed and read it! :-)) >> >> Peter >> -- >> Peter A Forbes >> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From solarrog at pacbell.net Sat Mar 5 08:35:25 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:35:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net><20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com><008a01c5217a$eb303920$c9b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <019601c5219d$dcf14a70$9235ef18@pengy> Message-ID: <00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343@D6R3D961> I tried down loading the hand book a couple times, both times my computer said the files were corrupt, and would no open them. Did anyone else have this problem? Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition > The technical library of the Tod Engine Foundation has at least a hundred > or more engineering textbooks dating back to an 1893 edition of Applied > Mechanics up to more modern stuff through the forties. After WWII the > collections thins out some. I've been frequenting every flea market and > antique mall that I can find. Rarely do I leave without one or more old > books under my arm. Of course there is also a health selection of > Lindsay's books. Its funny that none of what is in our library duplicates > any of what he reprints. Also I rarely find duplicates in antique malls, > there are always different texts to find. Everybody must have been > publishing technical books in the first half of the 20th century! > > We also have a 21st edition and 7th edition of the Machinery's Handbook. > Both are indespensible since they do have some different information in > each. > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Engine Heritage Park > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > http://www.todengine.org/ > Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 7:00 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition > > >>I get by very well with my 21st edition of Machinery's Hand book, going >>through my collection i have Engineering Workshop Data by Arthur W Judge >>1947, Fowlers Mechanics and Machinists Pocket Book 1961, Fowlers >>Mechanical Engineers Pocket Book1961 and The Practical Engineer Pocket >>Book and Diary 1913 ,the latter was purchased in Tyrrell's Bookshop in >>Sydney for 2/6 >> Interested to hear of any other old books.... >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Listerdiesel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 3:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition >> >> >>> On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:22:44 -0800 (PST), Alan Bowen >>> wrote: >>>> Wow Steve, >>>> >>>> Someone spent a lot of time scanning that one fer sure,,, >>>> I think I only paid about $6.00 plus $4.00 shipping for my 1953 14th >>>> edition. >>>> It is 1911 pages with the index. I sure wouldn't bother printing out >>>> all those sheets of paper >>>> when there are books out there to buy. >>>> >>>> I just saw one for $5.50 and one for %9.50 at >>>> http://www.abebooks.com >>>> >>>> YES!!! REAL books. 8>)) >>>> >>>> Go get 'em. >>> >>> This is a copy of Machinery's own CD, not a home-made scan. >>> >>> We have 11th, 12th and 13th editions in the book, you can't take a CD >>> to bed and read it! :-)) >>> >>> Peter >>> -- >>> Peter A Forbes >>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 08:55:56 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:55:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition In-Reply-To: <019601c5219d$dcf14a70$9235ef18@pengy> References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> <20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com> <008a01c5217a$eb303920$c9b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <019601c5219d$dcf14a70$9235ef18@pengy> Message-ID: <6f602516050305085517760233@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:10:34 -0500, Tod Engine wrote: > The technical library of the Tod Engine Foundation has at least a hundred or > more engineering textbooks dating back to an 1893 edition of Applied > Mechanics up to more modern stuff through the forties. After WWII the > collections thins out some. I've been frequenting every flea market and > antique mall that I can find. Rarely do I leave without one or more old > books under my arm. Of course there is also a health selection of Lindsay's > books. Its funny that none of what is in our library duplicates any of what > he reprints. Also I rarely find duplicates in antique malls, there are > always different texts to find. Everybody must have been publishing > technical books in the first half of the 20th century! > > We also have a 21st edition and 7th edition of the Machinery's Handbook. > Both are indespensible since they do have some different information in > each. > > Rick Rowlands I think that old technical books are a damm good investment, especially the sets of bound volumes from the late 1800's and the early 1900's. Old data are no longer listed in many new issues, and while Lindsay does a good job on reprinting smaller books, they haven't done anything really large that I know of. Almost any book by Arthur W Judge is worth latching on to, and most of the book sets published by Caxton, Newnes, Odhams and Pitmans printers/publishers are all very good value for money as folks clear out their old bookshelves. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From George_Best at adp.com Sat Mar 5 08:57:35 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:57:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF0935A7@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> > Thanks especially to George and Arnie for leading me to > search for a copy of a book I didn't know existed until a few > days ago. I started searching for a copy that day and found > a BRB for $26.95! It was delivered today and is in excellent > shape- can't tell that anyone had ever opened it! Jim, Getting a BYB/BRB for less than original price is about like getting an engine for less than original price. It still happens occasionally, but is pretty rare. You did good!! WAIT George From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 08:57:49 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:57:49 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition In-Reply-To: <00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343@D6R3D961> References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> <20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com> <008a01c5217a$eb303920$c9b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <019601c5219d$dcf14a70$9235ef18@pengy> <00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <6f60251605030508571f46de5f@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:35:25 -0800, Roger DiRuscio wrote: > I tried down loading the hand book a couple times, both times my computer > said the files were corrupt, and would no open them. Did anyone else have > this problem? > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts I ended up with all of it except one file, and that is coming through a friend. The biggest problem seemed to be the length of the download and the individual section files getting corrupted. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From peter at loud-n-clear.net Sat Mar 5 09:24:23 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:24:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Roger DiRuscio In-Reply-To: <00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343@D6R3D961> References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> <20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com> <008a01c5217a$eb303920$c9b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <019601c5219d$dcf14a70$9235ef18@pengy> <00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343@D6R3D961> Message-ID: Hi Roger In message <00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343 at D6R3D961>, Roger DiRuscio writes >I tried down loading the hand book a couple times, both times my >computer said the files were corrupt, and would no open them. Did >anyone else have this problem? If you are really stuck, I could burn you a CD and post it, if you don't get an offer from anyone closer. Let me have your postal address if you need to. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 5 09:53:59 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:53:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net><005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com><6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com><4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net><6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net><004c01c520c3$d63a8c80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><6f60251605030407185deaf946@mail.gmail.com><005401c520d0$bed56670$9235ef18@pengy><001b01c520de$eb5a0120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <015c01c5212c$edf39b50$9235ef18@pengy> Message-ID: <00a301c521ac$4f984d40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > > > No....... but at the end of it they run engines at a wake . > > I know a bunch of guys like that . http://www.rat.de/kuijsten/eaglesmith/utrecht.html > Ooh thats a great song!!! <<<>>>>> And you would be one of them no doubt . So Arnold , which engines shall we run at your wake when this nametag thief takes your pistol away and beats you to death with it ? The Bessemer perhaps ? Chuck From peter at loud-n-clear.net Sat Mar 5 10:42:02 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:42:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Roger DiRuscio Message-ID: Sorry people - that should have been private. Finger trouble with the cut-n-paste :-( Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From solarrog at pacbell.net Sat Mar 5 10:46:54 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:46:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Roger DiRuscio References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net><20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com><008a01c5217a$eb303920$c9b53dca@ogborneuah38i3><019601c5219d$dcf14a70$9235ef18@pengy><00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <009001c521b3$b56c3f80$af0c7643@D6R3D961> Thanks Peter, but if its working for others, I must have a computer issue that needs addressing right now. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Scales" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 9:24 AM Subject: [SEL] Roger DiRuscio > Hi Roger > > In message <00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343 at D6R3D961>, Roger DiRuscio > writes >>I tried down loading the hand book a couple times, both times my computer >>said the files were corrupt, and would no open them. Did anyone else have >>this problem? > > If you are really stuck, I could burn you a CD and post it, if you don't > get an offer from anyone closer. Let me have your postal address if you > need to. > > Regards > > Pete > -- > Peter Scales > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Mar 5 11:15:40 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:15:40 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF093588@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Message-ID: <001001c521b7$b9cc6880$8c9f0952@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 1:57 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Tearing up the Books > Hi George, > Gee, that's an easy one. My serial number huh? I'd shoot the friggin' > thief and take back the nameplate!! Then probably shoot 'em again for > good measure. ya, Arnie > Arnie Fero > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, George Best wrote: > > Are you saying if you had a engine which was missing a nameplate that > > you wouldn't buy it ;-) Especially if it happened to have the correct > > serial number already on it :-) Hi Arnie, about 25 years ago I bought a Dorman AB1 single cylinder hopper cooled petrol engine.(Very rare but not very attractive). It came from an Aveling Barford cable hauled ditch digging machine I found under a Barn. 10 years later I mentioned this engine at a club meeting & said that I couldn't date it because all that remained of the engines brass plate was just one corner still riveted on. At the next meeting I was given a Dorman plate with that corner missing. The chap ( Then in his 40's) had stolen it from the machine when he was 11 years old. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat Mar 5 12:11:12 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 20:11:12 +0000 Subject: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net><005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com><6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com><4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net><6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net><004c01c520c3$d63a8c80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><6f60251605030407185deaf946@mail.gmail.com><005401c520d0$bed56670$9235ef18@pengy><001b01c520de$eb5a0120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <015c01c5212c$edf39b50$9235ef18@pengy> <00a301c521ac$4f984d40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <422A1260.13C0BC55@insulate.co.uk> Hi Chuck Arnie says he plans to live forever. If he plans on running the Bessemer at his wake, he'd better keep his word. Dolly kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: > > So Arnold , which engines shall we run at your wake > when this nametag thief takes your pistol away and > beats you to death with it ? The Bessemer perhaps ? > Chuck > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From falcon at telenet.net Sat Mar 5 12:11:33 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 15:11:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Roger DiRuscio References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net><20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com><008a01c5217a$eb303920$c9b53dca@ogborneuah38i3><019601c5219d$dcf14a70$9235ef18@pengy><00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343@D6R3D961> <009001c521b3$b56c3f80$af0c7643@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <000b01c521bf$87815f40$595c14d0@net.telenet.net> Last time I looked the bandwidth had been exceeded. Not that it matters to me. On dial up I am not even going to try downloading it. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger DiRuscio" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Roger DiRuscio > Thanks Peter, but if its working for others, I must have a computer issue > that needs addressing right now. > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts > Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc > Collector of antique engines > Fremont,Ca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Scales" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 9:24 AM > Subject: [SEL] Roger DiRuscio > > > > Hi Roger > > > > In message <00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343 at D6R3D961>, Roger DiRuscio > > writes > >>I tried down loading the hand book a couple times, both times my computer > >>said the files were corrupt, and would no open them. Did anyone else have > >>this problem? > > > > If you are really stuck, I could burn you a CD and post it, if you don't > > get an offer from anyone closer. Let me have your postal address if you > > need to. > > > > Regards > > > > Pete > > -- > > Peter Scales > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sat Mar 5 12:12:43 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 07:12:43 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net><20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com><008a01c5217a$eb303920$c9b53dca@ogborneuah38i3><019601c5219d$dcf14a70$9235ef18@pengy> <00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <005701c521bf$b10a7590$2da7ecdc@morris> G'Day Roger I down loaded it first go took 1.5 hrs on broardband, as Peter said it is the CD version. I have not seen the book before as was blown away with its content. Kerry PS. with out starting the ethics thing again I do find it strange with all the posts on both lists about someone having his copy on his web page that someone had stamped and sells but no one has any problem with downloading this. >I tried down loading the hand book a couple times, both times my computer >said the files were corrupt, and would no open them. Did anyone else have >this problem? > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 5 11:37:18 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:37:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Brass bikes References: <200503050118.j251ImvP046030@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <011101c521ba$be4a4820$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Hey Chuck, > I didn't know you played with bikes that old. Whatcha ride? We got to visit a > chap last year who had some bikes. Just sitting on it way up there in the sky > was a scary experience. It certainly wasn't the sort of thing you'd want to > lean over into an 80 mph curve. A no hander on the doubles is out of the > question. > > Rob A shaw -a merkel-- and a 45 bobber 1912 , 1914, respectively , the 45 is a mongrel of WW2 army surplus parts with a G motor and tranny (reverse...weeeee! ) I "ride " an evo sporty chopper , and a KX 125 , the bobber is next on my list , and Im geting antsy Anybody got a pair of 16" starhub wheels ? I need to get the 18"s off as they have brand new 60 YO goodyears on em right now . Got em way back before this stuff was cool (pre eBay ! $$ ) . They are destined to land on a trailer queen with more bread than I . I have to ponder ........... Would it be good or bad if all the yuppies sold their evos and bought IHC LB's , John deere E's , and hog oiler collections ? Chuck From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 5 13:15:08 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:15:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition In-Reply-To: <005701c521bf$b10a7590$2da7ecdc@morris> References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net><20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com><008a01c5217a$eb303920$c9b53dca@ogborneuah38i3><019601c5219d$dcf14a70$9235ef18@pengy> <00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343@D6R3D961> <005701c521bf$b10a7590$2da7ecdc@morris> Message-ID: G'day Kerry, If that's the CD version, I'll bet there's a copyright statement that everyone is violating. 8-)) My guess is that the good folks at Industrial Press wouldn't be happy. http://www.industrialpress.com/en/mh.asp See ya, Arnie On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, Kerry wrote: > PS. with out starting the ethics thing again I do find it strange with all > the posts on both lists about someone having his copy on his web page that > someone had stamped and sells but no one has any problem with downloading > this. Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 5 13:17:19 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:17:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <422A1260.13C0BC55@insulate.co.uk> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net><005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com><6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com><4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net><6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net><004c01c520c3$d63a8c80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><6f60251605030407185deaf946@mail.gmail.com><005401c520d0$bed56670$9235ef18@pengy><001b01c520de$eb5a0120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <015c01c5212c$edf39b50$9235ef18@pengy> <00a301c521ac$4f984d40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <422A1260.13C0BC55@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Ohhhhh, Dolly's in a MOOD Dolly is!! Cheeky too!! On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Jim French wrote: > Arnie says he plans to live forever. If he plans on running the > Bessemer at his wake, he'd better keep his word. > Dolly From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat Mar 5 14:28:56 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 22:28:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Sulzer Blast Injection Diesel References: Message-ID: <422A32A7.491C6BD9@insulate.co.uk> Hi Paul Paul Evans wrote: > > > We were very lucky last year to acquire a 1912 Sulzer 25hp single cylinder air blast Diesel I remember you showing me and Arnie the Sulzer last year, I bet it looks a lot bigger now it's back together on a block of concrete in a new room !!! > > Working on it has been an absolute joy as it is in perfect condition, not a nut rounded off anywhere > and everything comes apart as it should. I don't reckon there's another engine that old that has only run such few hours > > Plenty of work to be done yet to finish the "engine room" before Easter but it should all work ok. > Paul the amount of work that you, Hazel and ( I've forgotten his name ) get through is mindboggling!!!. I can't imagine the work involved in piping up all the air,fuel,cooling and exhaust in the new room - Oh and a new floor, roof doors etc !!!!! Truly IMPRESSIVE. See Ya Jim P.S Hopefully see you soon > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 14:32:36 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 22:32:36 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition In-Reply-To: <005701c521bf$b10a7590$2da7ecdc@morris> References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> <20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com> <008a01c5217a$eb303920$c9b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <019601c5219d$dcf14a70$9235ef18@pengy> <00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343@D6R3D961> <005701c521bf$b10a7590$2da7ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <6f602516050305143233abdab5@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 07:12:43 +1100, Kerry wrote: > G'Day Roger > > I down loaded it first go took 1.5 hrs on broardband, as Peter said it is > the CD version. I have not seen the book before as was blown away with its > content. > > Kerry > > PS. with out starting the ethics thing again I do find it strange with all > the posts on both lists about someone having his copy on his web page that > someone had stamped and sells but no one has any problem with downloading > this. It's a valid thought.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From falcon at telenet.net Sat Mar 5 16:22:16 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:22:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net><20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com><008a01c5217a$eb303920$c9b53dca@ogborneuah38i3><019601c5219d$dcf14a70$9235ef18@pengy> <6f602516050305085517760233@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002301c521e2$959f55a0$101117d1@net.telenet.net> http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/ Has a lot of older books listed. They are in different formats but some interesting titles there. Lots of reading if you have the time. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition > On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:10:34 -0500, Tod Engine > wrote: > > The technical library of the Tod Engine Foundation has at least a hundred or > > more engineering textbooks dating back to an 1893 edition of Applied > > Mechanics up to more modern stuff through the forties. After WWII the > > collections thins out some. I've been frequenting every flea market and > > antique mall that I can find. Rarely do I leave without one or more old > > books under my arm. Of course there is also a health selection of Lindsay's > > books. Its funny that none of what is in our library duplicates any of what > > he reprints. Also I rarely find duplicates in antique malls, there are > > always different texts to find. Everybody must have been publishing > > technical books in the first half of the 20th century! > > > > We also have a 21st edition and 7th edition of the Machinery's Handbook. > > Both are indespensible since they do have some different information in > > each. > > > > Rick Rowlands > > I think that old technical books are a damm good investment, > especially the sets of bound volumes from the late 1800's and the > early 1900's. > > Old data are no longer listed in many new issues, and while Lindsay > does a good job on reprinting smaller books, they haven't done > anything really large that I know of. > > Almost any book by Arthur W Judge is worth latching on to, and most of > the book sets published by Caxton, Newnes, Odhams and Pitmans > printers/publishers are all very good value for money as folks clear > out their old bookshelves. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Sat Mar 5 16:56:23 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:56:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Some other books available for download. Message-ID: <002301c521e7$51ea51c0$101117d1@net.telenet.net> http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/ http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/preservation/index.html Have a lot of older books listed. They are in different formats but some interesting titles there. Lots of reading if you have the time. As an example or two http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/gutbook/lookup?num=7969 Oxy-Acetylene Welding and Cutting: Electric, Forge and Thermit Welding, Together with Related Methods and Materials Used in Metal Working and The Oxygen Process for Removal of Carbon http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/preservation/smithy/cover.htm Modern Blacksmithing, RATIONAL HORSE SHOEING AND WAGON MAKING http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/gutbook/lookup?num=6598 The American Woman's Home, or, Principles of Domestic Science http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/gutbook/lookup?num=3691 Little Wars: A Game for Boys From Twelve Years of Age to One Hundred and Fifty and for That More Intelligent Sort of Girl Who Likes Boys' Games and Books; With an Appendix on Kriegspiel Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 5 17:57:01 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:57:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] a new look.....sorta Message-ID: <005c01c521ef$ca1373e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> http://royalcrossfarm.com/electrolysis.htm http://royalcrossfarm.com/BOZZCOIL.htm A new look coming on , angelfire is soooo lame . I gotta get that all redirected and pretend it never happened Chuck From bboyce at swat.coop Sat Mar 5 18:49:09 2005 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:49:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] ZD bearings Message-ID: <003401c521f7$12fe1f90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> hello all,, my son is rebuilding a ZD for a neighbor and has run into a problem,,, new crank bearings were ordered from hit and miss, but there is no way to prevent them from turning in the bores,,,,, it looks like the original bearings had a tab on the inside lip that meshed with a notch in the brearing cap to prevent them from spinning,,,,,has anyone run into this problem? and what was done to correct it ? i;m going to call Ed monday, but thought i mite get some ideas here too,,,, thanks in advance for any help. bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Mar 5 19:48:00 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 22:48:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maxwell Auction in Bluffton, IN Message-ID: <422A7D70.6060306@scrtc.com> Did anyone attend the Maxwell auction in Bluffton, IN today? I was interested in items 155 (Perkins upright model) and 157 (Harvard Stickney model) and was curious what they brought. I had to stay in KY for a funeral. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Mar 5 20:05:05 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:05:05 -0800 Subject: [SEL] ZD bearings Message-ID: <20050305.200507.1564.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Bill. Would Loctite work? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:49:09 -0600 "Bill Boyce" writes: > hello all,, my son is rebuilding a ZD for a neighbor and has run into > a problem,,, new crank bearings were ordered from hit and miss, but > there is no way to prevent them from turning in the bores,,,,, it > looks like the original bearings had a tab on the inside lip that > meshed with a notch in the brearing cap to prevent them from > spinning,,,,,has anyone run into this problem? and what was done to > correct it ? i;m going to call Ed monday, but thought i mite get > some ideas here too,,,, thanks in advance for any help. > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas From stevebarr at ameritech.net Sat Mar 5 20:30:36 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:30:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Maxwell Auction in Bluffton, IN In-Reply-To: <422A7D70.6060306@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20050306043036.46232.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Tommy I have pictures and prices. Should have up on my site tomorrow. Steve --- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Did anyone attend the Maxwell auction in Bluffton, IN today? I was > interested in items 155 (Perkins upright model) and 157 (Harvard > Stickney model) and was curious what they brought. I had to stay in KY > for a funeral. Thanks. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, Ky > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nick at holden1.net Sat Mar 5 10:47:20 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:47:20 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition References: <20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4229FEB8.000001.03152@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> This is on the Machinery Handbook Site at 18.44GMT so we will have to wate !!! Bandwidth Limit Exceeded The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to the site owner reaching his/her bandwidth limit. Please try again later. Apache/1.3.33 Server at www.spanburgh.com Port 80 Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) -------Original Message------- From: Alan Bowen Date: 03/05/05 00:48:35 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition Wow Steve, Someone spent a lot of time scanning that one fer sure,,, I think I only paid about $6.00 plus $4.00 shipping for my 1953 14th edition It is 1911 pages with the index. I sure wouldn't bother printing out all those sheets of paper when there are books out there to buy. I just saw one for $5.50 and one for %9.50 at http://www.abebooks.com YES!!! REAL books. 8>)) Go get 'em. Alan Bowen --- "Steve W." wrote: > For interested folks here is a place that has the 26th edition of > machinery's handbook online. It is a 269 MEG zip file so if your on > dial-up it is a 16 hour download. Broadband should be much better. It > was posted on a metalworking group. The site is kind of strange in that > it will sometimes not come up, but the file is there. > Just try it a couple times. > http://www.spanburgh.com/files/Machinery's%20Handbook%2026th%20Edition.zip > > Steve Williams __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Mickc at vic.australis.com.au Sat Mar 5 22:39:57 2005 From: Mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 17:39:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Oz Auction Report References: <200503050939.j259dbnR096413@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <002801c52217$50e05b00$ccae57ca@n> G'day Patrick Thanks for the report. The broken parts on the engines were actually broken a few years ago as i went to see the collection and he said he had broken them a week before i turned up! i dont think he cared much for the engine as what he was saying to me at the time. Cheers Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 8:39 PM Subject: [SEL] Oz Auction Report > Ron Sullivan and I went for a little day trip today to attend an auction > down in Wagga Wagga. I left at 3.30am and arrived home at 8.00pm after > covering 900km. > The weather was pretty poor but there was a big turn up of bidders on the > fairly good range of engines offered. After looking over the engines I did > notice one sad thing: many of the engines had suffered some damage in > being > transported to the auction site! There was a Famous with a newly snapped > Webster bracket, an engine with a broken transporter wheel (from being > dropped, most likely) and all sorts of other minor damage :( > Here are some of the engines at the Auction with some results (note: my > prices are at the fall of the hammer and do not include the 11% buyers > premium) > > Tangye (portable, 95% complete) $2050 > Hornsby Gas Engine (99% complete) $2000 > Bentall 4hp vertical (restored) $1500 > 8hp Famous with transport and stationary base(90% complete, some broken > parts) $2800 > 10hp IHC M portable (95% complete) $1700 > Lister N $800 > 15hp McDonald $1250 > 6hp IHC M (restored) $950 > 5hp Emu (throttle-governed Hercules) $900 > 3hp IHC M (low tension) $420 > Ronnie N 2hp $50 > Alfa Laval 2hp (Ronnie N) $90 > Petter Apple Top (incomplete, poor condition) $320 > Palmer Marine $140 > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Mar 6 02:19:28 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 03:19:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] ZD bearings References: <003401c521f7$12fe1f90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: Although I've never had one apart, wouldn't the shims keep them from turning? RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Boyce" To: "stationary engine list" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 7:49 PM Subject: [SEL] ZD bearings hello all,, my son is rebuilding a ZD for a neighbor and has run into a problem,,, new crank bearings were ordered from hit and miss, but there is no way to prevent them from turning in the bores,,,,, it looks like the original bearings had a tab on the inside lip that meshed with a notch in the brearing cap to prevent them from spinning,,,,,has anyone run into this problem? and what was done to correct it ? i;m going to call Ed monday, but thought i mite get some ideas here too,,,, thanks in advance for any help. bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bboyce at swat.coop Sun Mar 6 06:29:58 2005 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 08:29:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] ZD bearings References: <003401c521f7$12fe1f90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <000d01c52258$f9ead3b0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> rick,,,, only the con rod has shims,, the manual says the crank and cam bearing clearance is to be obtained by filing the bearings, and there is no listing for crank or cam bearing shims in the parts listing,,,,,, bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] ZD bearings > Although I've never had one apart, wouldn't the shims keep them from > turning? > > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Boyce" > To: "stationary engine list" > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 7:49 PM > Subject: [SEL] ZD bearings > > > hello all,, my son is rebuilding a ZD for a neighbor and has run into a > problem,,, new crank bearings were ordered from hit and miss, but there is > no way to prevent them from turning in the bores,,,,, it looks like the > original bearings had a tab on the inside lip that meshed with a notch in > the brearing cap to prevent them from spinning,,,,,has anyone run into this > problem? and what was done to correct it ? i;m going to call Ed monday, but > thought i mite get some ideas here too,,,, thanks in advance for any help. > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Mar 6 08:09:45 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 09:09:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] ZD bearings References: <003401c521f7$12fe1f90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> <000d01c52258$f9ead3b0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: I see..round rod conn rod is like that. Well as previously mentioned, Locktite and I have what's called "Bushing, Bearing Retainer for those that like to spin. Also I know there's a fluxing method to retain babbitt in it's proper place. Yea, here it is in Ed's catalog p/n PO15.."Tintite, "Flux"-1/2 oz (Binds bearings to back) $3.00. It's there with the babbitt stuff. Might ask Ed about it. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Boyce" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] ZD bearings > rick,,,, only the con rod has shims,, the manual says the crank and cam > bearing clearance is to be obtained by filing the bearings, and there is > no > listing for crank or cam bearing shims in the parts listing,,,,,, > bill > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 4:19 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] ZD bearings > > > > Although I've never had one apart, wouldn't the shims keep them from > > turning? > > > > RickinMt. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Boyce" > > To: "stationary engine list" > > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 7:49 PM > > Subject: [SEL] ZD bearings > > > > > > hello all,, my son is rebuilding a ZD for a neighbor and has run into a > > problem,,, new crank bearings were ordered from hit and miss, but there > > is > > no way to prevent them from turning in the bores,,,,, it looks like the > > original bearings had a tab on the inside lip that meshed with a notch > > in > > the brearing cap to prevent them from spinning,,,,,has anyone run into > this > > problem? and what was done to correct it ? i;m going to call Ed monday, > but > > thought i mite get some ideas here too,,,, thanks in advance for any > > help. > > bill boyce > > lost prairie, arkansas > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From old_iron at msn.com Sun Mar 6 09:48:43 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:48:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] club badges.....can you help? In-Reply-To: <002301c520ad$f55274e0$18b43dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: Will try and get it out to you tomorrow or at the latest Tuesday. Good Health, XOXOX Peg >From: "peter ogborne" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] club badges.....can you help? >Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:33:08 +0800 > >Peg .......I would really appreciate that . Unfortunately we have a ''Power >Freak'' who has put out a laminated card board name tag as a badge. >It is.............Peter Ogborne, Lot 108 , O"Connell Street ,Little Grove >,Albany , West Australia 6330 >Thanks again Peg > >----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" > >To: >Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:54 AM >Subject: RE: [SEL] club badges.....can you help? > > >>If you sned me your snail, I will send you a badge, like the ones I hand >>out at Portland. >> >>Peg Pfeiffer >> >>>From: "peter ogborne" >>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>>To: >>>Subject: [SEL] club badges.....can you help? >>>Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:33:05 +0800 >>> >>>I am amongst a few of my fellow club members who are disgusted at the '' >>>badge '' that we have . Can those of you who are able send me an image of >>>your club badge of list. >>>Thank you in anticipation. >>>Peter Ogborne >>>Little Grove ,Albany >>>West Australia >>>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >>>jopeter at omninet.net.au >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Mar 6 11:28:56 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:28:56 -0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Nasa World Wind download Message-ID: <000701c52282$beb60560$8c9f0952@no1> Someone in response to the Machinery Handbook thread gave another large download from NASA. Unfortunately I have forgotten who gave the site & which Newsgroup it was on! Can anyone remember this post. PS nothing wrong , I just want to see someone else's experience. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Mar 6 13:18:20 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 16:18:20 EST Subject: [SEL] Oz Auction Report Message-ID: <1d9.37ee650f.2f5ccd9c@aol.com> In a message dated 3/5/2005 4:59:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: << 10hp IHC M portable (95% complete) $1700 >> If it was in decent condition, I would say that was the buy of the day there! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sun Mar 6 13:51:19 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:51:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Oz Auction Report References: <1d9.37ee650f.2f5ccd9c@aol.com> Message-ID: <000b01c52296$a1ce0740$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Tom it was, here a pic Patrick sent me. I told him even with the transport to Holland it was a good buy. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/10hpmOZ.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > In a message dated 3/5/2005 4:59:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, > pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: > > << 10hp IHC M portable (95% complete) $1700 >> > > > If it was in decent condition, I would say that was the buy of the day there! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Sun Mar 6 14:27:41 2005 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 16:27:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Maxwell Auction in Bluffton, IN Message-ID: <000a01c5229b$cd242320$f2670b42@computer> I was there. Perkins went for$2100.00 and Harvard went for $1700.00. George -----Original Message----- From: Judge Tommy Turner To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Saturday, March 05, 2005 10:03 PM Subject: [SEL] Maxwell Auction in Bluffton, IN >Did anyone attend the Maxwell auction in Bluffton, IN today? I was >interested in items 155 (Perkins upright model) and 157 (Harvard >Stickney model) and was curious what they brought. I had to stay in KY >for a funeral. Thanks. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, Ky > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Mar 6 14:50:23 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 14:50:23 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Oz Auction Report In-Reply-To: <000b01c52296$a1ce0740$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200503062250.j26MoRwH089246@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Patrick, Are the prices in AU. currency? Speaking of money does anyone on the list know the hurdles of exporting an engine from Au, to the US [San Francisco] Does the Au. Government frown on the idea? I passed on an auction a while back because of Not knowing the procedure. Thanks ,Jimmy O'Hagan Novato,Ca. USA Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Hammink Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 1:51 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Oz Auction Report Tom it was, here a pic Patrick sent me. I told him even with the transport to Holland it was a good buy. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/10hpmOZ.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > In a message dated 3/5/2005 4:59:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, > pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: > > << 10hp IHC M portable (95% complete) $1700 >> > > > If it was in decent condition, I would say that was the buy of the day there! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Mar 6 16:02:30 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 19:02:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oz Auction Report In-Reply-To: <000b01c52296$a1ce0740$3e636854@Sixmjohn> References: <1d9.37ee650f.2f5ccd9c@aol.com> <000b01c52296$a1ce0740$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <422B9A16.70107@scrtc.com> You can tell from the photo it needs a few things but I have to agree, it was a heck of a buy. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY John Hammink wrote: >Tom it was, here a pic Patrick sent me. I told him even with the transport >to Holland it was a good buy. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/10hpmOZ.jpg > >John Hammink >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl >www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > >>In a message dated 3/5/2005 4:59:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, >>pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: >> >><< 10hp IHC M portable (95% complete) $1700 >> >> >> >>If it was in decent condition, I would say that was the buy of the day there! >> >>Tom Schmutz >>Concord, Va. USA >>Germoamer at aol.com >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Mar 6 17:10:55 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:10:55 EST Subject: [SEL] Oz Auction Report Message-ID: <155.4bd9f8f3.2f5d041f@aol.com> In a message dated 3/6/2005 5:17:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, jg.hammink at quicknet.nl writes: << I told him even with the transport to Holland it was a good buy. >> John. Thanks for the picture. Geesh, it even was on a cart! I will have to dig out a photo of the one I know of in a barn in the mountains I go and see every so often and send it to you. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 6 17:41:45 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:41:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Jim Fell Email? Message-ID: <1110159705.422bb159e3185@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, I'm looking for Jim Fell's email. He's the bloke that specializes in inverted engines. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Mar 6 18:15:19 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 21:15:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Jim Fell Email? In-Reply-To: <1110159705.422bb159e3185@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1110159705.422bb159e3185@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <422BB937.50809@scrtc.com> Arnie, His name is Jim Feil I think. I've got his email somewhere, possibly at my office. He lives in NY. If you don't get it from someone, I'll get it for you. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >Hi Folks, > >I'm looking for Jim Fell's email. He's the bloke that specializes in inverted >engines. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Mar 6 18:15:47 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 18:15:47 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Jim Fell Email? In-Reply-To: <1110159705.422bb159e3185@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <200503070215.j272FpxA079422@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Jim Fehl oldengin at sover.net =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com > -----Original Message----- > From: fero_ah at city-net.com [mailto:fero_ah at city-net.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 5:42 PM > To: Stationary Engine List; Old_Engine > Subject: Jim Fell Email? > > I'm looking for Jim Fell's email. He's the bloke that > specializes in inverted > engines. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Mar 6 19:30:51 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 22:30:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Jim Fell Email? In-Reply-To: <422BB937.50809@scrtc.com> References: <1110159705.422bb159e3185@webmail.city-net.com> <422BB937.50809@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <422BCAEB.3010408@scrtc.com> Rob, Thanks for the correction on the spelling. I knew it was "hl" instead of "il" to spell his last name but I hurriedly spelled it phonetically without noticing. Jim's a good guy and is super on fabricating parts. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Arnie, > His name is Jim Feil I think. I've got his email somewhere, > possibly at my office. He lives in NY. If you don't get it from > someone, I'll get it for you. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, Ky > > > > fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> >> I'm looking for Jim Fell's email. He's the bloke that specializes in >> inverted >> engines. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> Arnie Fero >> Pittsburgh, PA >> fero_ah at city-net.com > > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Sun Mar 6 19:33:52 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:33:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Maxwell Auction in Bluffton, IN In-Reply-To: <20050306043036.46232.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050307033352.15597.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Pictures and prices of the gas engine models are now up. I hope there aren't mistakes, but there may be. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2005maxwell.htm Steve --- Steve Barr wrote: Tommy I have pictures and prices. Should have up on my site tomorrow. Steve --- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: Did anyone attend the Maxwell auction in Bluffton, IN today? I was interested in items 155 (Perkins upright model) and 157 (Harvard Stickney model) and was curious what they brought. I had to stay in KY for a funeral. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Mar 6 20:40:46 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 23:40:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maxwell Auction in Bluffton, IN In-Reply-To: <20050307033352.15597.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050307033352.15597.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <422BDB4E.1040200@scrtc.com> As always Steve, thanks for your hard work and the great job you do with the Auction Reports. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hello > >Pictures and prices of the gas engine models are now up. I hope there >aren't mistakes, but there may be. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2005maxwell.htm > >Steve >--- Steve Barr wrote: > > > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Sun Mar 6 23:39:50 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 07:39:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine in NZ? Message-ID: <1MdHow0GVALCFwM1@loud-n-clear.net> Gordon Banfield has sent me a picture of an engine that he can't identify. Neither can I. It looks a little like a Petter to my untutored eye. It can be seen at: http://www.petesextension.com/Gordon/ What does the panel think? TTFN Pete -- Peter Scales From paul at semidiesel.com Mon Mar 7 00:38:00 2005 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:38:00 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Sulzer Blast Injection Diesel In-Reply-To: <422A32A7.491C6BD9@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks for the comments on this on and off list. Work continues and I'll put some new pics up on the website at the end of the week, it is starting to look quite impressive (if we say so ourselves). Cheers Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date: 01/03/05 From paul at semidiesel.com Mon Mar 7 00:40:07 2005 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:40:07 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Sterling Marine Engines In-Reply-To: <422A32A7.491C6BD9@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Anyone know anything about Sterling Admiral marine engines as used in WWII LCTs? A museum here is trying to restore an LCT and needs info, also needs two engines if anyone knows of any. Thanks Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date: 01/03/05 From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Mar 7 03:29:29 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:29:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Oz Auction Report In-Reply-To: <155.4bd9f8f3.2f5d041f@aol.com> Message-ID: <200503071129.j27BTbuX047968@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Pics from the auction: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/05wagauc.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From mtucker at uky.edu Mon Mar 7 04:55:26 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 07:55:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Way Questions In-Reply-To: <200503071129.j27BTbuX047968@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200503071129.j27BTbuX047968@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Howdy all, Here is the link for some photos of a 3-1/2 hp New Way Model "A" Type "C" . A friend of my father-in-law got this critter from a very old (92 y.o.) friend of his. I haven't seen it but Lincoln thinks that it's an older restoration. It's got a lot of compression even with being completely dry of oil so it should run without much work at all. The new owner would like to know when it may have been made and a ballpark value. The last patent date on the nameplate is '08. The info in the BRB doesn't go into the different models or give much info on the production years so I'm hoping that someone here can help us out. Thanks, Mike -- _____________________________________________ Susan and Michael Tucker email: mtucker at uky.edu 502 Davistown Road Phone (859) 846-4731 Midway, Kentucky 40347 _____________________________________________ From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Mar 7 05:09:32 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 13:09:32 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Kohler engine parts needed Message-ID: <030720051309.11236.422C528C000947AC00002BE421979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi All, Looking for a set of relay coils for a Model D, Kohler generator. Ser: 13525, 1500 watt, numbers inside coil box: 3279-556 94594 any help would be appreciated. thankyou in advance, Curt Andree From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 7 08:34:09 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:34:09 EST Subject: [SEL] Maxwell Auction in Bluffton, IN Message-ID: <87.22cf9a61.2f5ddc81@aol.com> In a message dated 3/6/2005 11:06:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, stevebarr at ameritech.net writes: << Pictures and prices of the gas engine models are now up. >> Steve, Is the $1200 for the 1/2 hp New Holland a reasonable price? I know nothing about the prices of models. it would have looked great beside my full size one. The 4hp International Titan sure was a thing of beauty! Working clutch pulley too! There sure are some talented folks in the world! Thanks for posting the photos and prices. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Mar 7 11:32:36 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:32:36 EST Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse ZD 2 HP Question Message-ID: These questions refer to a Fairbanks Morse ZD 2 HP. What is the proper position of the Connecting Rod Oil Splasher - does it mount to the rear of connecting rod bolt or to front under the connecting rod nut? Is the Connecting Rod Upper Bolt Spacer Washer located to other connecting rod bolt in a like manner as the Connecting Rod Oil Splasher? Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Mon Mar 7 21:38:03 2005 From: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:38:03 Subject: [SEL] Oiled up Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050307213803.009e0640@127.0.0.1> Hi All Funny thing happened today. One of my "assistants" drained the oil from a small Ruston and poured it into a 2 litre "Coke" bottle which he left on a workbench...... It looked just like "Coke" so someone else put it in the fridge. 5 pm arrived and I went to pour myself the usual "Brandy & Coke" - You guessed it - I added old oil to the Brandy !! Being keen on old engines is one thing but when one starts drinking "Brandy & old oil" I think that is taking things a bit far - puts a whole new meaning to the phrase "getting oiled up" Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Mon Mar 7 21:38:05 2005 From: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:38:05 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050307213805.009d61b0@127.0.0.1> Hi all Can anyone help me (rather urgently) with a good clear pic of the Massey Harris logo. I'm looking for the one that goes on the side of the hopper - it has "scrolly" decorations around it. Click here to see an example Click here to see an example www.oldengine.org/members/evans/mh.htm I need something as clear (and crisp) as possible and also fairly big so that I can copy it to cut a stencil from. Colour is not important Black and white gif or bitmap would be good (and makes a small file). Please try to limit file size to not more than about 350 to 400Kbytes. Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Mar 7 12:39:45 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:39:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Eagles have Landed References: <3.0.6.32.20050307213803.009e0640@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <003c01c52355$cc40fa90$2da7ecdc@morris> G'Day All Well FINALLY we have got some of our overseas members to visit Oz. Ruth and I picked up Curt and Missy Holland yesterday from the airport then straight to 3 big engine collections to get things in the right priority. Today the Mountain sites then tomorrow off the the National Rally wiil update when time permits Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 4/03/2005 From sutter6 at bigpond.net.au Sun Mar 6 23:21:07 2005 From: sutter6 at bigpond.net.au (sutter) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:21:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Bamford EV1 Governor Setup Message-ID: <000101c522e6$3baec8a0$0100000a@rodfew3c793iy9> G'day List Does anyone in Melbourne or surrounding area have a Bamford EV1 so I could check out the governor setup? ie. Distance from end of crankshaft to face of flywheel hub, clearance between governor weights and governor arm, distance between gov.arm pivot bracket and cylinder block,whether I am missing a spacer between the governor sleeve and main bearing and other questions. I pulled this engine apart 2 years ago and did not take a great deal of notice regarding the governor - probably because it seemed very straight forward - now on re-assembly the "fingers'of the governor weights hit the governor arm when I turn it over - does not seem quite right! To look at a working engine would be great. Thanks Rod Sutter sutter6 at bigpond.net.au Melbourne, Australia 03 9763 9235 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Mar 7 14:16:25 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:16:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Comedy of Errors - bit long but you can associate with this... Message-ID: <6f602516050307141646ec71b5@mail.gmail.com> Following on from my comments re ebay in the Bessemer catalogue thread, I though I'd better post this under a new header so as not to hijack Arnies thread. We got a new electric shower unit today, and also another one for the house rebuild later on from ebay. Went over to B&Q (Home Depot equivalent in the UK) at Luton near to our factory, only to find the bl**dy store had closed! This was the first B&Q Warehouse store in the UK as far as I remember, and was always busy, so why closed?? Next on the way home is Sainsbury's Homebase, so I cut across town towards the northern side of Luton and pop into the Homebase store. It's nearly empty, in complete contrast to B&Q which is always full of people. Picked up a piece of copper pipe and some unions, an in-line tap and a couple of push-on elbows to save soldering with the gas torch. We have a propane torch and big bottle at home, but I prefer not to use it if I can use push-ons, and the new shower unit has a plastic stub for the water inlet. Feed the nags on the way home, Rita is home today and the other van is with one of the other boys, so I get to feed them on my own, and one is missing... Fed the other four, and went hunting for Shelley, who I find wandering nonchalently down the field looking quite happy with life in general.... Got home, had a quick curry, and then we dive into fitting the new shower. Off comes the old unit (which has lasted 18 years without a fault, not bad!) and while Philip gets the new control unit mounted up, I go looking for a file and a hacksaw. Go to turn the water off and step on a trailing cable to the central heating boiler. Because one end is trapped under a cupboard or something we have recently moved, the other end becomes the weakest link and it pulls out of the boiler junction box with a flash and a bang and ut go all the house electrics...... Soooo... fumble around in the dark to find the switchboard, find the earth leakage breaker which has jumped out as the live cable dragged through the metal control box and everything comes back on again. Sounds of PC's and network upstairs all rebooting and I get under the racks and turn off the water so we can disconnect the old unit. Eventually it is all done and we can smell nice again :-)) Time for a well deserved glass of something 14% or so, and thanks to Philip who probably did more of the job than I did, and he didn't foul anything up in the process. He gave the new shower a quick road test after we had finished. Footnote: B&Q's Luton depot was built on the site of an old Laporte Chemicals chemical sludge deposit area, and it had started to subside and break in half. An Aldi supermarket on the same site also had structural problems and Aldi had successfully sued the builders for ?3.3million in 2002. B&Q were looking for ?47 million from the builders and architects:- http://www.lutononline.co.uk/viewarticle2.aspx?sectionid=541&ArticleID=700723 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Mar 7 14:45:49 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:45:49 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Onan Genny spares Message-ID: <6f6025160503071445195c4d4b@mail.gmail.com> Some years ago we acquired a Continental-engined Onan genset for repair/restoration. Unfortunately it was too far gone to do much with and we scrapped it. One thing we still have, however is a box of electrical relays and stuff out of the set which may be of use to anyone else with something similar. No money required as long as postage is covered. There is a fair bit of it, probably 10-15lbs weight. Let me know if it can be used by anyone, otherwise I'll stick it on ebay Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 6 20:36:06 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 23:36:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RARE BESSEMER GAS ENGINE CATALOG - Deja Vu All Over Again Message-ID: <1110170166.422bda361a367@webmail.city-net.com> OK Brother OFES, Maybe I'm just getting suspicious in my old age. I was stunned a couple of weeks ago when this MINT CONDITION 86 page 1915 Bessemer catalog appeared on eBay from a seller in California. Brings a nice price too, $495! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6946850489 Now what is that old wheeze about lightning not striking twice in the same place? Shazam!! Here's ANOTHER mint condition 86 page 1915 Bessemer catalog, just exactly like the last one. Only the seller is in Kansas this time. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3879876902 The seller sez that he's had it for 30 years and as far as he knows it's an original. So Brother OFES, you've studied oil field engines for ages and like me you've probably hunted for the paper as well. What do you reckon the odds are that two rare mint condition catalogs turn up on eBay just weeks apart? Am I just way too suspicious? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From todengine at zoominternet.net Mon Mar 7 15:51:01 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:51:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Onan Genny spares References: <6f6025160503071445195c4d4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006901c52370$84939160$9235ef18@pengy> Peter, We have a 4 cylinder Onan 10kw genset here which either is going to be sold or rebuilt. If you have some parts which we could use our opinions of the machine may swing toward rebuilding it. What size was your genset? Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: [SEL] Onan Genny spares > Some years ago we acquired a Continental-engined Onan genset for > repair/restoration. Unfortunately it was too far gone to do much with > and we scrapped it. > > One thing we still have, however is a box of electrical relays and > stuff out of the set which may be of use to anyone else with something > similar. No money required as long as postage is covered. There is a > fair bit of it, probably 10-15lbs weight. > > Let me know if it can be used by anyone, otherwise I'll stick it on ebay > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 7 18:28:16 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:28:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RARE BESSEMER GAS ENGINE CATALOG - Deja Vu All Over Again Message-ID: <20050307.213108.596.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Arnie, Why Not ??? For $495 I might be persuaded to sell my Bessie catalog also - (If I had one.) There are several things I watch even if I don't have any intention of selling at the moment. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Mar 7 18:54:14 2005 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:54:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New Way Questions Message-ID: <410-2200532825414796@earthlink.net> When I first asked a New Way collector many years ago how to date a New Way he told me that if I added a year to the last patent date on the tag it would get me in the ball park. Since then I have seen a lot of dual flywheel upright New Way's with an 08 as the last patent date on them so I don't really that this is the best way to date them. I started doing serial number list a while back and that did not prove to work out well either as thier numbering system didn't seem to really follow a steady pattern. By the early teens, it seems that the "S" series was being fazed out in favor of the new "M" and "F" series. Some of my catologs show that around 1916 they were still marketing the "S" series but dewelled more on the later as these engines were far better in the hp/weight issue. As far as value, that is what the buyer is willing to pay. The 3 1/2 hp upright dual flywheel is the most common (non of them are really common though) of the early New Ways with their being more of them than all the other dual flywheel sizes combined. I've seen them offered in the last few years as low as $600 and as high as $2400 but did not see them sell. A few things that will make them worth more are the things that seem to be missing the most, muffler, tin work, check valves and the New Way oiler. New Ways were built from 1904 to the middle 30's with the dual flywheels models leaving the scene in the mid to late teens. Tim Christoff Basehor KS. tchristoff at earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: Michael Tucker > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 3/7/2005 6:56:03 AM > Subject: [SEL] New Way Questions > > Howdy all, > > Here is the link for some photos of a 3-1/2 hp New Way Model "A" Type > "C" . A friend > of my father-in-law got this critter from a very old (92 y.o.) friend > of his. I haven't seen it but Lincoln thinks that it's an older > restoration. It's got a lot of compression even with being > completely dry of oil so it should run without much work at all. The > new owner would like to know when it may have been made and a > ballpark value. The last patent date on the nameplate is '08. The > info in the BRB doesn't go into the different models or give much > info on the production years so I'm hoping that someone here can help > us out. > > Thanks, > Mike > -- > _____________________________________________ > Susan and Michael Tucker email: mtucker at uky.edu > 502 Davistown Road Phone (859) 846-4731 > Midway, Kentucky 40347 > _____________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plb at iinet.net.au Mon Mar 7 20:45:45 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:45:45 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone ER3 References: 162925247 Message-ID: <013d01c52399$b1680580$0201010a@Portable> I have an enquiry about how to adjust a Blackstone ER3 Govenor. I have an ER but I'm not sure if the govenor is similar. The ER is on a power generation system in the outback. Anyone maybe in the UK with any idea's? Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Mar 7 21:32:46 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 00:32:46 EST Subject: [SEl] Fairbanks Morse ZD Status Message-ID: <1c6.2419b535.2f5e92fe@aol.com> Today, I made a new crank for the Fairbanks Morseage ZD Status. Luckily, I had part of the old crank (the end of the crank where it engages the crankshaft was broken). More over, I was fortunate to have Rob Skinner's drawing (_http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/style-d-crank.gif_ (http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/style-d-crank.gif) ) showing the dimensions of the crank. Using this data, I built a fabrication jig to fabricate the crank. I was able heat bend the new crank into the proper shape. The rotating handle part of the old crank was removed. I used the old crank dimensions of the existing handle slot to cut the slot in the new crank. The new crank looks very much like an original. Anyone wanting pictures, please contact me off list. Thanks Rob for sharing this crank information on your web site. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Mar 7 22:53:27 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 06:53:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone ER3 In-Reply-To: <013d01c52399$b1680580$0201010a@Portable> References: <013d01c52399$b1680580$0201010a@Portable> Message-ID: <6f60251605030722534e52ca17@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:45:45 +0800, R and E Freeman wrote: > I have an enquiry about how to adjust a Blackstone ER3 Govenor. I have an ER > but I'm not sure if the govenor is similar. The ER is on a power generation > system in the outback. Anyone maybe in the UK with any idea's? > > Ray Freeman Have replied to Ray off-list, Michael Key is the man to contact. His website is at : http://www.oldengine.org/members/blkstone Direct email is: michaelstamford at aol.com in case anyone else needs the info. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Mar 7 23:07:31 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:07:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Onan Genny spares In-Reply-To: <006901c52370$84939160$9235ef18@pengy> References: <6f6025160503071445195c4d4b@mail.gmail.com> <006901c52370$84939160$9235ef18@pengy> Message-ID: <6f60251605030723071c264048@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:51:01 -0500, Tod Engine wrote: > Peter, > > We have a 4 cylinder Onan 10kw genset here which either is going to be sold > or rebuilt. If you have some parts which we could use our opinions of the > machine may swing toward rebuilding it. What size was your genset? > > Rick Rowlands Hi Rick: I cannot remember the rating, it was single phase 240V, a bit unusual for 1940's Onan kit. 10kW sounds about right though, and it was electric start from memory. The rotor in the genny needed a rebuild as the asbestos packing pieces for the coils were disintegrating and we were being quoted big $$'s for the work. The engine was seized solid, the carb was a mass of rust and so on. I have some pictures of a similar set somewhere, I'll try and find them, also there is an envelope with some connection info on the control panel that had been made when it was stripped down, I kept that as well. What is in the box are the meters and control gear, we also still have the bare control panel and the engine bell housing and maybe the cooling fan for the genny, and I think I saw the water pump body for the Conti (Y91?) engine. We bought manuals for the engine in the US, it was this search for information that led to my first contact with Jim Dunmyer and Oldengine.org, the rest as they say is history :-)) I see that Alan Bowen has also asked about the parts, perhaps you two could liaise over this and share shipping costs etc? Oh, and there is also a distributor which the late Tom Mackay got for me, I collected that when we went to Oz in 1997. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Sun Mar 6 21:47:33 2005 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:17:33 +1030 Subject: [SEL] OT Nasa World Wind download References: <000701c52282$beb60560$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: <000601c522d9$292e1260$3cc48890@chaos> zoom in on your town with worldwind http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "oldengine" Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 5:58 AM Subject: [SEL] OT Nasa World Wind download > Someone in response to the Machinery Handbook thread > gave another large download from NASA. > Unfortunately I have forgotten who gave the site & which > Newsgroup it was on! Can anyone remember this post. > PS nothing wrong , I just want to see someone else's experience. > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Mar 8 07:22:38 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 10:22:38 EST Subject: [SEL] Check out Home Page - The Old Car Manual Project O.T. Message-ID: <74.4f0cadf2.2f5f1d3e@aol.com> Hi List, Many of the members of the SEL are also into older vehicles. This web site has some manuals for several older cars. It might be of interest to some. _Click here: Home Page - The Old Car Manual Project_ (http://www.tocmp.com/) _http://www.tocmp.com/_ (http://www.tocmp.com/) (http://www.tocmp.com/) Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From mholland at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 8 08:00:26 2005 From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:00:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Eagles have Landed Message-ID: Message for Missy or Curt Good trip I hope. This comupter is slow and it is a rouond about way of doing things. Your friends seem to have you out and doing things. "Oz" is a big place to see in only two week. Things are routine here. Your son is being himself. We have talked to your Mother Curt. I do not have to concern myself with the grass nor do you now. She purchased herself an electric lawn mover she could handle and has mowed the lawn. From what she says she went first class with a mucher type. It is fairly large cut with sometype of cord reel. She says it is her answer to her problem. Keep it sane and in the road. DS > G'Day All > > Well FINALLY we have got some of our overseas members to visit Oz. > > Ruth and I picked up Curt and Missy Holland yesterday from the airport then > straight to 3 big engine collections to get things in the right priority. > Today the Mountain sites then tomorrow off the the National Rally > wiil update when time permits > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow NSW Oz > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 4/03/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Mar 8 08:46:09 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:46:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Check out Home Page - The Old Car Manual Project O.T. In-Reply-To: <74.4f0cadf2.2f5f1d3e@aol.com> References: <74.4f0cadf2.2f5f1d3e@aol.com> Message-ID: <2389.165.206.180.118.1110300369.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Yeah, but don't mention them here - you'll piss people off...... Bill > Hi List, > Many of the members of the SEL are also into older vehicles. This web > site > has some manuals for several older cars. It might be of interest to > some. > > _Click here: Home Page - The Old Car Manual Project_ > (http://www.tocmp.com/) > _http://www.tocmp.com/_ (http://www.tocmp.com/) > > > > > (http://www.tocmp.com/) Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lsain33 at charter.net Tue Mar 8 13:17:56 2005 From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:17:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Eagles have Landed, somewhat OT References: Message-ID: <010401c52424$4c5b6d90$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Another message for Missy and Curt: Just wanted to let you know the yard sale went well. I picked up a nice Abenaque and a Stickney. I thought $500 each was a fair price. I was going to get the International but a couple of guys who had accents beat me to it. I think their name was Cloister or Oyster or something like that. Oil barons I think they were. Maybe from Texas. I wonder if Chuck knows them? Anyway, have a great time down under and regards to Kerry, Ruth and all the Ozites. Larry back in Cat Square, NC, USA PS You can pick up an engine or two while you're down there....lots of room in your shop now! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Missy Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Eagles have Landed > Message for Missy or Curt > > Good trip I hope. This comupter is slow and it is a rouond about way > of doing things. Your friends seem to have you out and doing > things. "Oz" is a big place to see in only two week. > > Things are routine here. Your son is being himself. We have talked to > your Mother Curt. I do not have to concern myself with the grass nor > do you now. She purchased herself an electric lawn mover she could > handle and has mowed the lawn. From what she says she went first class > with a mucher type. It is fairly large cut with sometype of cord > reel. She says it is her answer to her problem. > > Keep it sane and in the road. DS > > > > G'Day All > > > > Well FINALLY we have got some of our overseas members to visit Oz. > > > > Ruth and I picked up Curt and Missy Holland yesterday from the > airport then > > straight to 3 big engine collections to get things in the right > priority. > > Today the Mountain sites then tomorrow off the the National Rally > > wiil update when time permits > > > > Kerry Morris > > Lithgow NSW Oz > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 4/03/2005 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.4 - Release Date: 3/7/2005 > > From andyglines at hotmail.com Tue Mar 8 12:04:01 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:04:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: oiled up In-Reply-To: <200503081100.j28B0AkX005426@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Looks like you have been presented with a opportunity to discuss proper containers and labeling with you assistant. Glad no one was hurt ...... this time! > 6. Oiled up (Jerry Evans) >Message: 6 >Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:38:03 >From: Jerry Evans >Subject: [SEL] Oiled up >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050307213803.009e0640 at 127.0.0.1> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Hi All > Funny thing happened today. One of my "assistants" drained the oil from a >small Ruston and poured it into a 2 litre "Coke" bottle which he left on a >workbench...... It looked just like "Coke" so someone else put it in the >fridge. > 5 pm arrived and I went to pour myself the usual "Brandy & Coke" - You >guessed it - I added old oil to the Brandy !! Being keen on old engines is >one thing but when one starts drinking "Brandy & old oil" I think that is >taking things a bit far - puts a whole new meaning to the phrase "getting >oiled up" >Best regards >Jerry Evans. >Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 8 17:28:52 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 20:28:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Eagles have Landed, somewhat OT In-Reply-To: <010401c52424$4c5b6d90$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> References: <010401c52424$4c5b6d90$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Message-ID: <1110331732.422e515419cdb@webmail.city-net.com> DAMN!!!! Those Cloistered Oyster brothers have broken out again!! They must have been in the same weak prison as Martha Stewart. Shame really that they got wind of this yard sale before it could get advertised. Ah well, at least Curt & Missey got into three figures. Assuming the "Certified Check" clears... See ya, Arnie Quoting Larry Sain : > Just wanted to let you know the yard sale went well. I picked up a nice > Abenaque and a Stickney. I thought $500 each was a fair price. I was going > to get the International but a couple of guys who had accents beat me to it. > I think their name was Cloister or Oyster or something like that. Oil > barons I think they were. Maybe from Texas. I wonder if Chuck knows them? From todengine at zoominternet.net Tue Mar 8 18:01:15 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 21:01:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] German Rolling Mill Engines Message-ID: <006501c5244b$e0351710$9235ef18@pengy> I am wondering what the current status is of the rolling mill engine at Tobiashammer and the engine at the Maxhutte Steelworks in Sulzbach Rosenberg. Do they still exist? and if so might they be preserved? I'm just trying to expand my list of preserved rolling mill engines to occupy more than the digits on one hand! Thanks. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Mar 8 20:26:31 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 23:26:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Eagles have Landed, somewhat OT References: <010401c52424$4c5b6d90$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <1110331732.422e515419cdb@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <001c01c52460$2be649e0$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> Yes, it was a god overall experience with Martha behind bars. All was going quite well, and Steve had already mastered toast banzi and lemon doily making, when suddenly we spotted the "Cat Square Auction Co." flyer on the back of the prison menu Steve had stolen from the prison latte' bar. Next thing you know Steve and Martha are "engaged", we all get pardoned, Martha flies us down to Gastonia and it is "two for one day" at the Holland yard sale. Larry Sain was running the auction and he has some more good eye. He was taking bids and hollering sold, and heck I never even saw anyone bidding. We all got lots of bargains and the good news is, the sale continues for at least, 8 more days? I'd love to tell more about the sale, but darn it Steve needs me to help him with his seaweed pinky wraps he and Martha are fixing for all the guests at their nuptials. Yall stay tuned and lets all wish Curtis and Missy and fun trip down under. I'll let you know when the auction proceeds raise enough to get Devin out of JD Boot Camp. It is amazing how much trouble that boy can get into with a tater cannon. Mike Royster, brother of Steve Royster-Stewart ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Eagles have Landed, somewhat OT > DAMN!!!! Those Cloistered Oyster brothers have broken out again!! They must > have been in the same weak prison as Martha Stewart. > > Shame really that they got wind of this yard sale before it could get > advertised. Ah well, at least Curt & Missey got into three figures. Assuming > the "Certified Check" clears... > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Larry Sain : > > > Just wanted to let you know the yard sale went well. I picked up a nice > > Abenaque and a Stickney. I thought $500 each was a fair price. I was going > > to get the International but a couple of guys who had accents beat me to it. > > I think their name was Cloister or Oyster or something like that. Oil > > barons I think they were. Maybe from Texas. I wonder if Chuck knows them? > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Mar 9 01:41:17 2005 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:41:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Eagles have Landed, somewhat OT In-Reply-To: <001c01c52460$2be649e0$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> References: <010401c52424$4c5b6d90$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <1110331732.422e515419cdb@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050309203600.00b3b7d0@mail.ncable.com.au> >G'day all from the other side of the pond. Not sure what Kerry has got >organised for the Hollands to even get a sniff of what you guys are >saying. Could be you will have a free hand to the engine barn for a while >yet. I will pass on all the bad news however as Kerry and Ruth & the >Hollands will be stopping by on Sunday for a little play, bbq and a beer >or 6! Beware as a reply will no doubt be on the way. Sounds like I best lock up all my spare parts and lock tight anything that is removable from my engines! Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Wed Mar 9 02:53:39 2005 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 21:53:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Oz Auction Report In-Reply-To: <200503071129.j27BTbuX047968@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Great Pics and report as usual Patrick. Many thanks. Regards, Lyndsay . >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" , > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Oz Auction Report >Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:29:29 +1100 > >Pics from the auction: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/05wagauc.html > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 9 08:22:53 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:22:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Universal GenSet Message-ID: Howdy all; Had a nice engine days yesterday. Went across town and brought home what we consider a pretty nice barn freshe "Universal Engine" hooked up to a D.C. Generator/Dynamo. The PO Mr. Bud Johnson said that they used it for a backup battery charger for the ore carts in the 1940's. Pretty good shape and it's all there. Came out of a silver mine and he says there's more iron up there..too much snow now to go and look. Problem is, no spark out of the Dixie mag. Is this an impulse mag? If so I've got some tinkering to do. He also had the mag apart and forgot to install the magnets the first time he worked on it. Aaarrghhh, we know what that means :-)), but luckily still have the friends magnet recharger. Here's the Webshots album; and of course "it ran when he parked it." (vbg) Could also use a manual or whatever's available. http://community.webshots.com/album/291395326wWDmvi We believe it's a 7hp, 4 lunger, 1000 rpm, primer cups on each cylinder. The big tank is the gas tank. Hope ya enjoy RickinMt. From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 9 08:31:28 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:31:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Awesome Antique Spark Plug Message-ID: HOLY SHIT!!!! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- View this Item on eBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6516380678 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Awesome Antique Gas Engine Spark Plug W/Odd Tin Can Item number: 6516380678 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Current bid: US $510.00 (Reserve not met) Ends Mar-10-0518:41:51 PST Summary Awesome Unusual Antique Gas Engine Spark Plug With Oddball Box Here is a great spark plug in new never used condition with its incredible shipping can. In all my years collecting old spark plugs I have never seen another old plug with such a unique can. The plug itself is a very rare incredibly unusual brass intensified jump spark type plug, made in Macomb Ill. From marvhed at ecenet.com Wed Mar 9 09:05:05 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:05:05 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Awesome Antique Spark Plug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43652.199.62.0.252.1110387905.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> common Arnie, you've got the deep pockets, go for it!!! marv in minn > HOLY SHIT!!!! > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > View this Item on eBay at > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6516380678 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Awesome Antique Gas Engine Spark Plug W/Odd Tin Can > Item number: 6516380678 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Current bid: US $510.00 > (Reserve not met) > Ends Mar-10-0518:41:51 PST > > Summary > Awesome Unusual Antique Gas Engine Spark Plug With Oddball Box > Here is a great spark plug in new never used condition with its > incredible shipping can. In all my years collecting old spark plugs I > have never seen another old plug with such a unique can. The plug itself > is a very rare incredibly unusual brass intensified jump spark type > plug, made in Macomb Ill. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 9 10:07:18 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:07:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Awesome Antique Spark Plug In-Reply-To: <43652.199.62.0.252.1110387905.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <43652.199.62.0.252.1110387905.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Hey Marv, It ain't the depth of the pocket that matters. What's important is what's at the bottom; jingle or lint. Don't look for my name on that auction, except as incredulous observer. See ya, Arnie PS - And the bloody reserve ain't met yet!! On Wed, 9 Mar 2005, MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > common Arnie, > you've got the deep pockets, go for it!!! > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > View this Item on eBay at > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6516380678 From glenn.karch at gte.net Wed Mar 9 09:57:56 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 11:57:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Awesome Antique Spark Plug References: Message-ID: <001401c524d1$89007300$a129ea41@oemcomputer> Arnie, I think that we should take all of our old Champion X spark plugs and make an intensifier to add to the top of them. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: [SEL] Awesome Antique Spark Plug > HOLY SHIT!!!! > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > View this Item on eBay at > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6516380678 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Awesome Antique Gas Engine Spark Plug W/Odd Tin Can > Item number: 6516380678 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Current bid: US $510.00 > (Reserve not met) > Ends Mar-10-0518:41:51 PST > > Summary > Awesome Unusual Antique Gas Engine Spark Plug With Oddball Box > Here is a great spark plug in new never used condition with its > incredible shipping can. In all my years collecting old spark plugs I > have never seen another old plug with such a unique can. The plug itself > is a very rare incredibly unusual brass intensified jump spark type > plug, made in Macomb Ill. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 9 10:36:52 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:36:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Awesome Antique Spark Plug References: <43652.199.62.0.252.1110387905.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Cork and I went to a yard sale last summer where there were 40 spark plugs or so. One had a primer cup and when the auction opened this guy said 200 bucks..there were no other bids. He wanted something bad! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Awesome Antique Spark Plug > common Arnie, > you've got the deep pockets, go for it!!! > > marv in minn > > > > HOLY SHIT!!!! > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > View this Item on eBay at > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6516380678 > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Awesome Antique Gas Engine Spark Plug W/Odd Tin Can > > Item number: 6516380678 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Current bid: US $510.00 > > (Reserve not met) > > Ends Mar-10-0518:41:51 PST > > > > Summary > > Awesome Unusual Antique Gas Engine Spark Plug With Oddball Box > > Here is a great spark plug in new never used condition with its > > incredible shipping can. In all my years collecting old spark plugs I > > have never seen another old plug with such a unique can. The plug itself > > is a very rare incredibly unusual brass intensified jump spark type > > plug, made in Macomb Ill. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Mar 9 13:24:05 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:24:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Awesome Antique Spark Plug References: Message-ID: <01c801c524ee$eeec3100$0301a8c0@Reg> Those words crossed my mind too! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:31 AM Subject: [SEL] Awesome Antique Spark Plug > HOLY SHIT!!!! From jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Wed Mar 9 23:39:44 2005 From: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 23:39:44 Subject: [SEL] re: Massey Harris logo (& earthquake) Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050309233944.009b5478@127.0.0.1> Thanks John Hammink for the response. Check here for the update We believe it's a 7hp, 4 lunger, 1000 rpm, primer cups on each cylinder. The big tank is the gas tank. I'll bet you find its substantially older than the 1940s.. Mike Semanoff From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 9 16:41:31 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 17:41:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Universal GenSet References: <156.4c82f73d.2f60d843@aol.com> Message-ID: I would think more like the 20's. Gaggle has revealed some info and these engines were widely used in boats also. Possibly Universal is still in business. Sure could use some help in hooking this generator up. There's only 3 binding posts on top of it and they are unmarked. I would assume that an exciter and regulator would be used also. Thanks to Peter's website, I now have some info on the Dixie 46 mag. It appears to be the impulse type. TIA RickinMt. > > We believe it's a 7hp, 4 lunger, 1000 rpm, primer cups on each cylinder. > The big tank is the gas tank. > > > > I'll bet you find its substantially older than the 1940s.. > Mike Semanoff > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Tue Mar 8 00:57:01 2005 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 19:27:01 +1030 Subject: [SEL] OT Nasa World Wind download References: <000701c52282$beb60560$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: <005e01c523bc$cb4f1ab0$3cc48890@chaos> http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "oldengine" Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 5:58 AM Subject: [SEL] OT Nasa World Wind download > Someone in response to the Machinery Handbook thread > gave another large download from NASA. > Unfortunately I have forgotten who gave the site & which > Newsgroup it was on! Can anyone remember this post. > PS nothing wrong , I just want to see someone else's experience. > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Mar 9 18:16:08 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 19:16:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not. Message-ID: <422FADE8.5000500@earthlink.net> Hi all, At the risk of pissing off some of the club or board members of my club, I decided to make this post. Quite honestly I don't know if any of them are on either list. I sure do want some opinions, and hell, at least it's on topic. I run the web site for my local club, and my mailbox gets many inquiries regarding the club. Some I can answer and others I pass on to a board member. One of my latest inquiries was this one, and I've snipped and copied cause I don't like typing. Location and phone number removed by me. > I operate a small agricultural museum in (). I have and old Iron Show > Scheduled for May 7th, 2005. I would like to ask if any of your > members would be interested in bringing antique Tractors and > Equipment to the Show. I can be reached through the email address or > at () Tuesday through Thrusday afternoons till 5:00 p.m. > Thank you Now to me this sounds like a helluva good invitation. Land and location furnished and a place to show off old iron and get together. No cost to the club because club sponsored shows are covered by liability insurance. What is the problem? Well it turns out the show would add no money to the clubs coffers, and without that it is not a show. I realize that there are revenue needs to keep a club going, but do we have to make money at every place we can show? Car club folks knock themselves out to show off their iron and they get by. The potential to run our (revenue making item) maybe could have been there by the way. I have no doubt it would have been welcome and some revenue obtained. The board of directors turned the invitation down. What the hell is this hobby all about? Making money only or a little of both. Not a happy camper tonight. Now you all tell me what you think and the flame suit is on. I may not look as good as Dolly in it for you guys, but there are gals on the lists. Bet I'd look good to them. :-)) Happily married so it's look but don't touch by the way. Jeff Allen From tchristoff at earthlink.net Wed Mar 9 19:31:11 2005 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 21:31:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A bigger pick up truck for hauling engines? Message-ID: <410-22005341033111656@earthlink.net> Hook up a trailer to this pick up and how many engines do you think you could take to a show? http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.internationaldelivers.com/assets/news/Articles/images/cxt-red-2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.internationaldelivers.com/site_layout/news/newsdetail.asp%3Fid%3D595&h=400&w=400&sz=95&tbnid=q6wDjnWn2UEJ:&tbnh=120&tbnw=120&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dinternational%2Bpick%2Bup%2Btruck%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG Tim Christoff Basehor KS. tchristoff at earthlink.net From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Mar 9 19:38:24 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 22:38:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not. References: <422FADE8.5000500@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001b01c52522$9da0bd00$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> I hate it for you. Tommy Berry throws a great New Years Day Crank Up and no money changes hands, other than he spends it to make it happen for all. A fun show I would not miss, that keeps a great hobby alive and sparks interest from all walks of life. It ain't about the money. Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "Oldengine list" ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:16 PM Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not. > Hi all, > > At the risk of pissing off some of the club or board members of my club, > I decided to make this post. Quite honestly I don't know if any of them > are on either list. I sure do want some opinions, and hell, at least > it's on topic. > > I run the web site for my local club, and my mailbox gets many inquiries > regarding the club. Some I can answer and others I pass on to a board > member. One of my latest inquiries was this one, and I've snipped and > copied cause I don't like typing. Location and phone number removed by me. > > > I operate a small agricultural museum in (). I have and old Iron Show > > Scheduled for May 7th, 2005. I would like to ask if any of your > > members would be interested in bringing antique Tractors and > > Equipment to the Show. I can be reached through the email address or > > at () Tuesday through Thrusday afternoons till 5:00 p.m. > > Thank you > > > Now to me this sounds like a helluva good invitation. Land and location > furnished and a place to show off old iron and get together. No cost to > the club because club sponsored shows are covered by liability > insurance. What is the problem? Well it turns out the show would add no > money to the clubs coffers, and without that it is not a show. I realize > that there are revenue needs to keep a club going, but do we have to > make money at every place we can show? Car club folks knock themselves > out to show off their iron and they get by. > > The potential to run our (revenue making item) maybe could have been > there by the way. I have no doubt it would have been welcome and some > revenue obtained. The board of directors turned the invitation down. > What the hell is this hobby all about? Making money only or a little of > both. Not a happy camper tonight. > > Now you all tell me what you think and the flame suit is on. I may not > look as good as Dolly in it for you guys, but there are gals on the > lists. Bet I'd look good to them. :-)) Happily married so it's look but > don't touch by the way. > > Jeff Allen > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Wed Mar 9 20:07:54 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 20:07:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not. In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050310040754.65388.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Jeff I am members of several different local clubs. I also do the web site for the Sandwich Club. We get simular requests. All invitations I take to the club meeting and read it for the members present. If anyone wants to go, they are free to do so. It is also a great way to advertise for our show later or invite others who may show there to come to our show. Since you metioned a that your club has a money making device and the board decided that it won't be there (was it ok'd by the host of the show?). Will you or other club members who are interested be there? There are no club rules stopping you from showing anywhere at any time no matter what club you belong to. I tend to have more fun at other shows because of less job responsibility. Take the show in and enjoy it as an individual. I am sure you will have a great time and you can still hand out flyers for your club show. Steve --- Jeff Allen wrote: Hi all, At the risk of pissing off some of the club or board members of my club, I decided to make this post. Quite honestly I don't know if any of them are on either list. I sure do want some opinions, and hell, at least it's on topic. I run the web site for my local club, and my mailbox gets many inquiries regarding the club. Some I can answer and others I pass on to a board member. One of my latest inquiries was this one, and I've snipped and copied cause I don't like typing. Location and phone number removed by me. >I operate a small agricultural museum in (). I have and old Iron Show >Scheduled for May 7th, 2005. I would like to ask if any of your >members would be interested in bringing antique Tractors and >Equipment to the Show. I can be reached through the email address or >at () Tuesday through Thrusday afternoons till 5:00 p.m. >Thank you Now to me this sounds like a helluva good invitation. Land and location furnished and a place to show off old iron and get together. No cost to the club because club sponsored shows are covered by liability insurance. What is the problem? Well it turns out the show would add no money to the clubs coffers, and without that it is not a show. I realize that there are revenue needs to keep a club going, but do we have to make money at every place we can show? Car club folks knock themselves out to show off their iron and they get by. The potential to run our (revenue making item) maybe could have been there by the way. I have no doubt it would have been welcome and some revenue obtained. The board of directors turned the invitation down. What the hell is this hobby all about? Making money only or a little of both. Not a happy camper tonight. From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Mar 9 20:09:18 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 23:09:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A bigger pick up truck for hauling engines? In-Reply-To: <410-22005341033111656@earthlink.net> References: <410-22005341033111656@earthlink.net> Message-ID: That's really cool! John On Mar 9, 2005, at 10:31 PM, Tim Christoff wrote: > Hook up a trailer to this pick up and how many engines do you think > you could take to a show? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lsain33 at charter.net Wed Mar 9 23:23:34 2005 From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 23:23:34 -0800 Subject: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic Message-ID: <016501c52542$123db3b0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Hi All, It's a little slow on the list and I'm in need of some off topic information. Given the experience of the list, someone can help me I'm sure. I bought an old engine, a 4-cylinder flathead. Unfortunately, it's in Michigan and I'm in Cat Square, North Carolina. It's also enclosed in a 1930 Model A Ford sedan. Given the cost of fuel, renting a U-Haul auto transport and two days off to do it myself, I can get a professional auto transport company to bring it to me for another couple hundred bucks. My question, has anyone used one of these services or heard anything good or bad about them? Answer off-list if you want and I apologize for the off-topic question. Thanks. Larry Sain in North Carolina From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Mar 9 21:19:01 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 00:19:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not. Message-ID: <20050310.001901.512.8.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Jeff, Sounds like you're ready to go. Too many shows are being run by the buck. DO IT !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Mar 9 21:24:52 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 21:24:52 -0800 Subject: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic In-Reply-To: <016501c52542$123db3b0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Message-ID: <200503100524.j2A5Oui0007344@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Larry, What's your phone #? I know a good hauler. I'll call you with the information. Cya. Jimmy O'Hagan Novato Ca. 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Sain Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:24 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic Hi All, It's a little slow on the list and I'm in need of some off topic information. Given the experience of the list, someone can help me I'm sure. I bought an old engine, a 4-cylinder flathead. Unfortunately, it's in Michigan and I'm in Cat Square, North Carolina. It's also enclosed in a 1930 Model A Ford sedan. Given the cost of fuel, renting a U-Haul auto transport and two days off to do it myself, I can get a professional auto transport company to bring it to me for another couple hundred bucks. My question, has anyone used one of these services or heard anything good or bad about them? Answer off-list if you want and I apologize for the off-topic question. Thanks. Larry Sain in North Carolina _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Mar 9 22:04:52 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 22:04:52 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not. In-Reply-To: <422FADE8.5000500@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200503100604.j2A64BeQ025106@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I think you've overlooked the obvious solution to the problem. Call back the people putting on the show and tell them that although your club cannot attend, you'd be glad to accept their invitation. Then call up some of your homeboys and tell them to bring out some junk. Then go out and have a good time. Problem solved. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 00:12:06 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:12:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Universal GenSet In-Reply-To: References: <156.4c82f73d.2f60d843@aol.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605031000127284fbae@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 17:41:31 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > I would think more like the 20's. Gaggle has revealed some info and these > engines were widely used in boats also. Possibly Universal is still in > business. > > Sure could use some help in hooking this generator up. There's only 3 > binding posts on top of it and they are unmarked. I would assume that an > exciter and regulator would be used also. > > Thanks to Peter's website, I now have some info on the Dixie 46 mag. It > appears to be the impulse type. > > TIA > RickinMt. > > > > > > We believe it's a 7hp, 4 lunger, 1000 rpm, primer cups on each cylinder. > > The big tank is the gas tank. > > > > > > > > I'll bet you find its substantially older than the 1940s.. > > Mike Semanoff The 1920's Dixie catalogue that we have shows an earlier version of this magneto, the terminal plate and connections are the same, but there is no magnets cover. The lower plate 'should' have advance-retard capability if it is the same as the ones in my book. I'd guess 1930's for a dating. The F-M replacements catalogue only shows Eisemann magnetos or F-M, no Dixie stuff for Universal engines. One of my engine piston/ring catalogues shows Universal 10hp 4-cylinder flat head 2-5/8" bore Model N (marine application) There may be more stuff I can dig up later. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Mar 10 00:56:33 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:56:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not. References: <200503100604.j2A64BeQ025106@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <00af01c5254f$11096680$0301a8c0@Reg> I go along with Rob on this. Years back, when I was show organiser for our club, We worked on the principle that, as a group, we would attend an event for free if it was for a charity or similar. If it was a profit making event, we asked for a fee towards club running costs. Never a large amount. I really dont know what they do now. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Showing engines or not. > > I think you've overlooked the obvious solution to the problem. Call back the > people putting on the show and tell them that although your club cannot attend, > you'd be glad to accept their invitation. Then call up some of your homeboys > and tell them to bring out some junk. Then go out and have a good time. > Problem solved. > > Rob From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Mar 10 02:50:56 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:50:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Awesome Antique Spark Plug Message-ID: <031020051050.11663.4230268F000F1AFB00002D8F21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Arnie, Since you ve been working 7days a week at the Nuke plant you should be buying that awesume plug for your Lorenz....... Curt > Hey Marv, > > It ain't the depth of the pocket that matters. What's important is what's > at the bottom; jingle or lint. Don't look for my name on that auction, > except as incredulous observer. > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - And the bloody reserve ain't met yet!! > > On Wed, 9 Mar 2005, MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > > > common Arnie, > > you've got the deep pockets, go for it!!! > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > View this Item on eBay at > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6516380678 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Bimjy at hotmail.com Thu Mar 10 03:31:21 2005 From: Bimjy at hotmail.com (Jim Hunter) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 06:31:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL]An old engine,but still off topic Message-ID: Hi Larry, I live in northwest Oh and am real sure that if you should decide that the "engine" turns out to be too much trouble to retrive that I can gladly relieve you off the burden!!!!! LOL Jim From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 03:46:52 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 03:46:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Nasa World Wind download In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050310114653.21262.qmail@web14123.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I downloaded the program and it's really neat. You can soom into any location world wide. Found my house with no problem. Ron derek wrote: http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "oldengine" Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 5:58 AM Subject: [SEL] OT Nasa World Wind download > Someone in response to the Machinery Handbook thread > gave another large download from NASA. > Unfortunately I have forgotten who gave the site & which > Newsgroup it was on! Can anyone remember this post. > PS nothing wrong , I just want to see someone else's experience. > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! From ELIDAS at aol.com Thu Mar 10 04:02:07 2005 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:02:07 EST Subject: [SEL] Universal GenSet Message-ID: In a message dated 3/9/2005 8:03:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: I would think more like the 20's. Gaggle has revealed some info and these engines were widely used in boats also. Possibly Universal is still in business. They sure are:_http://www.westerbeke.com/_ (http://www.westerbeke.com/) I have an earlier Model "C" that looks similar. Mine has a Bendix mag. Mike Semanoff From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 10 06:02:57 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:02:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not. In-Reply-To: <422FADE8.5000500@earthlink.net> References: <422FADE8.5000500@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Jeff, Our club does a few shows that are "our shows", we run 'em and we keep most of the revenue. We attend a few more "as a club" where the sponsoring organization pays us some amount to show up with the understanding that we will bring a lot of the "club equipment" (grain grinding, saw mill, shingle mill, etc.). Many of the club members also exhibit their own engines, tractors, and equipment. Since there is expense and non-trivial effort in getting the club equipment to a show, manned for the duration, brought back to the club grounds, and cleaned and maintained for the next outing, we don't accept every invite to a show. The board of directors decides each year which invitations we'll accept as a club. However, individuals go to whichever shows suit their interests and schedules. Most club members do try and give priority to the "sanctioned" club events. You imply that your club has equipment above and beyond what individuals bring. Are you thinking that "someone" should take that gear to every show that puts in a request and that there is no cost in making that happen? I'm guessing that you aren't the guy who does that. I think the answer is easy. As a club you decide what you'll do "as a club" and who makes those decisions. If those charged with that decision making choose not to attend, so be it. Announce the event to the membership at large, and those who have an interest and the free time attend even though "the club" declined the invitation. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 9 Mar 2005, Jeff Allen wrote: > At the risk of pissing off some of the club or board members of my club, > I decided to make this post. Quite honestly I don't know if any of them > are on either list. I sure do want some opinions, and hell, at least > it's on topic. > > > The potential to run our (revenue making item) maybe could have been > there by the way. I have no doubt it would have been welcome and some > revenue obtained. The board of directors turned the invitation down. > What the hell is this hobby all about? Making money only or a little of > both. Not a happy camper tonight. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 10 06:24:36 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:24:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Universal GenSet References: Message-ID: Appreciate the info, Mike. I see where they have some old literature on Universal Engines and GenSets. Course the cyberbox locks up when I crank up the .pdf files so will get Cork to do it. I now believe ours is a "D" model as the serial number is D1844. You might find this 4 page site interesting as we did: http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Atomic_4_Eng_Service/History_of_the_Universal_Motor_Company_1.html#top I hope that url doesn't wrap, if so I'll do an abbriviated version. Re: the Dixie mag, I going to assume it's impulse as Peters chart shows the Dixie 46 has a 35 degree impulse lag. Once again I'll assume that the 35 degrees is the amount of turn that the spring winds up before it trips/impulses. Kinda like a Webster. This one doesn't impulse or at least I can't hear it, so I'll tinker with it a little and re-charge the magnet(s). Does anyone know which position of the advance/retard lever is retard...up or down? Don't need any excitement regarding that proceedure:-) All in all a very nice engine with definite learning capabilities. The mag, carb, gov, dynamo, water pump are just a few. I've uploaded a few more pictures to my webshots album: http://community.webshots.com/album/291395326wWDmvi Thanks again, Mike and all RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 5:02 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Universal GenSet > > In a message dated 3/9/2005 8:03:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > > I would think more like the 20's. Gaggle has revealed some info and > these > engines were widely used in boats also. Possibly Universal is still in > business. > > > They sure are:_http://www.westerbeke.com/_ (http://www.westerbeke.com/) > I have an earlier Model "C" that looks similar. Mine has a Bendix mag. > Mike Semanoff > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 10 06:47:32 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:47:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A bigger pick up truck for hauling engines? References: <410-22005341033111656@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I'm a lookin' for an old iron hauler, but I think the BOSS would probably rule this one out. It would be a show stopper tho. Whew!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "sel" Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 8:31 PM Subject: [SEL] A bigger pick up truck for hauling engines? > Hook up a trailer to this pick up and how many engines do you think you > could take to a show? > > http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.internationaldelivers.com/assets/news/Articles/images/cxt-red-2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.internationaldelivers.com/site_layout/news/newsdetail.asp%3Fid%3D595&h=400&w=400&sz=95&tbnid=q6wDjnWn2UEJ:&tbnh=120&tbnw=120&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dinternational%2Bpick%2Bup%2Btruck%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG > > > Tim Christoff > Basehor KS. > tchristoff at earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 07:34:35 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:34:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Universal GenSet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f602516050310073477570b99@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:24:36 -0700, Richard Strobel > Does anyone know which position of the advance/retard lever is retard...up > or down? Don't need any excitement regarding that proceedure:-) I'll have a look tonight and report back, assuming someone else hasn't already let you know. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Mar 10 08:14:11 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:14:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A bigger pick up truck for hauling engines? In-Reply-To: References: <410-22005341033111656@earthlink.net> Message-ID: My boss thought it was pretty cool, but I don't think she'd approve of the price. John On Mar 10, 2005, at 9:47 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > I'm a lookin' for an old iron hauler, but I think the BOSS would > probably > rule this one out. It would be a show stopper tho. Whew!! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From andyglines at hotmail.com Thu Mar 10 11:17:01 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:17:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: <200503101100.j2AB08tr032073@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: I can't think of any type of rotary mag which does not impulse even on my 1cly Wisconsins. The impulse also retards the spark for starting. If you crank it and it does fire the spark my be to early and cause it to kick back. Older farmalls had an impulse which had to be set manually. If you forgot to set the impulse and went to cranking you might get the snot knocked out of you! If your mag has a lever for retard/advance make sure it is set correctly. I think the full retard actually grounds the mag killing the spark. Remember, give that crank plenty of room, only pull up, & don't wrap your thumb around the crank. You want it to pull out of your hand should it kick back. >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:22:53 -0700 >From: "Richard Strobel" >Subject: [SEL] Universal GenSet >To: "SEL email discussion list" , > "Corky and Judy Harris" >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Howdy all; >Had a nice engine days yesterday. Went across town and brought home what >we >consider a pretty nice barn freshe "Universal Engine" hooked up to a D.C. >Generator/Dynamo. The PO Mr. Bud Johnson said that they used it for a >backup battery charger for the ore carts in the 1940's. Pretty good shape >and it's all there. Came out of a silver mine and he says there's more >iron >up there..too much snow now to go and look. > > Problem is, no spark out of the Dixie mag. Is this an impulse mag? If >so >I've got some tinkering to do. He also had the mag apart and forgot to >install the magnets the first time he worked on it. Aaarrghhh, we know >what >that means :-)), but luckily still have the friends magnet recharger. > >Here's the Webshots album; and of course "it ran when he parked it." (vbg) >Could also use a manual or whatever's available. > >http://community.webshots.com/album/291395326wWDmvi > >We believe it's a 7hp, 4 lunger, 1000 rpm, primer cups on each cylinder. >The big tank is the gas tank. > >Hope ya enjoy >RickinMt. From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Mar 10 11:39:13 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:39:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The old IHC Type L magneto on low-tension M engines contains no impulse or retard mechanism. Lots of small aircooled engines have had flywheel magnetos with no impulse or retard. John On Mar 10, 2005, at 2:17 PM, Andy Glines wrote: > I can't think of any type of rotary mag which does not impulse even on > my 1cly Wisconsins. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Mar 10 12:31:36 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:31:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 References: Message-ID: <001401c525b0$27de5080$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi John the IHC low tension mags are generators, so there's no need for an impulse or retard. Sofar a know there're lots of high tens mags without impulse and I think the impulse ones are in the minority (at old engines). John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > The old IHC Type L magneto on low-tension M engines contains no impulse > or retard mechanism. Lots of small aircooled engines have had flywheel > magnetos with no impulse or retard. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Mar 10 12:47:16 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:47:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35485.165.206.180.118.1110487636.squirrel@antique-engines.com> You can't even flat out make a "rule" as to number of cylinders or size of engine as the single cylinder LA had an impulse, did it not? But the single FB, the Associated, etc. with rotary did not. MY F20 has an automatic impulse. My regular had a manual set impulse. Bill > The old IHC Type L magneto on low-tension M engines contains no impulse > or retard mechanism. Lots of small aircooled engines have had flywheel > magnetos with no impulse or retard. > > John > > On Mar 10, 2005, at 2:17 PM, Andy Glines wrote: > >> I can't think of any type of rotary mag which does not impulse even on >> my 1cly Wisconsins. > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Thu Mar 10 13:14:25 2005 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:14:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: <35485.165.206.180.118.1110487636.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: My F-20 has automatic impulse, but the timing was controlled by the points which changed when the lever was moved up or down... >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > You can't even flat out make a "rule" as to number of cylinders or size of > engine as the single cylinder LA had an impulse, did it not? > But the single FB, the Associated, etc. with rotary did not. > > MY F20 has an automatic impulse. > My regular had a manual set impulse. > > Bill > > > The old IHC Type L magneto on low-tension M engines contains no impulse > > or retard mechanism. Lots of small aircooled engines have had flywheel > > magnetos with no impulse or retard. > > > > John > > > > On Mar 10, 2005, at 2:17 PM, Andy Glines wrote: > > > >> I can't think of any type of rotary mag which does not impulse even on > >> my 1cly Wisconsins. > > > > > > John Culp > > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Mar 10 13:47:46 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:47:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: References: <35485.165.206.180.118.1110487636.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <36240.165.206.180.118.1110491266.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Yes - pulling clear up kills it, lowering it advances it. The impulse does indeed retard it as well as give a sudden "twist" to increase spark during starting. However, the electric start on my F20 can spin it so fast the impulse kicks out, making it hard to start, so you simply tap the start button enough for about 1 revolution, then it's running. (12v battery, 6v starter) Bill My F-20 has automatic impulse, but the timing was controlled by the points > which changed when the lever was moved up or down... > >>From Andrew at > tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com > engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com > b10730 at hotmail.com > > Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ > http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > >> You can't even flat out make a "rule" as to number of cylinders or size >> of >> engine as the single cylinder LA had an impulse, did it not? >> But the single FB, the Associated, etc. with rotary did not. >> >> MY F20 has an automatic impulse. >> My regular had a manual set impulse. >> >> Bill >> >> > The old IHC Type L magneto on low-tension M engines contains no >> impulse >> > or retard mechanism. Lots of small aircooled engines have had flywheel >> > magnetos with no impulse or retard. >> > >> > John >> > >> > On Mar 10, 2005, at 2:17 PM, Andy Glines wrote: >> > >> >> I can't think of any type of rotary mag which does not impulse even >> on >> >> my 1cly Wisconsins. >> > >> > >> > John Culp >> > Bristol, Tennessee, USA >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 14:13:18 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:13:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Universal GenSet In-Reply-To: <6f602516050310073477570b99@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f602516050310073477570b99@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605031014137fdf5c05@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:34:35 +0000, Listerdiesel wrote: > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:24:36 -0700, Richard Strobel > > > Does anyone know which position of the advance/retard lever is retard...up > > or down? Don't need any excitement regarding that proceedure:-) > > I'll have a look tonight and report back, assuming someone else hasn't > already let you know. > > Peter OK, the way the lever works depends on the rotation/mounting of the magneto. Left hand magneto the lever raises for advance (17 degrees) or lowers for retard (same degrees) Right hand magneto is the opposite. It's a little ambiguous to my mind... If you can see the points and crank the engine over, you should be able to confirm which is which. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 10 14:30:51 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:30:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags In-Reply-To: <001401c525b0$27de5080$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <001401c525b0$27de5080$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Hi John, I've got three engines with rotary high tension mags. The Crossley and the Petter do not have an impulse, and my two cylinder Novo Roller does. See ya, Arnie On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, John Hammink wrote: > Hi John the IHC low tension mags are generators, so there's > no need for an impulse or retard. > Sofar a know there're lots of high tens mags without impulse and > I think the impulse ones are in the minority (at old engines). From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Mar 10 14:56:11 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:56:11 EST Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not. Message-ID: <9b.5af97ecf.2f622a8b@aol.com> In a message dated 3/9/2005 9:37:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: << Now to me this sounds like a helluva good invitation. >> Jeff, There are more and more requests like these to lots of our clubs. Some businesses ask that members come to display their stuff during a special promotion that the business may be having. New forming clubs/town fairs/etc also ask members to come and be a part of their show. Steve Barr could have not said it any better. Bring the invitation to your club meeting. Anyone having a free day can go if they want to participate. I have never gotten a nickel for showing my old junk and of course every time you pull the truck and trailer out of the yard it cost your pocket book. Maybe a free drink or sandwich on occasion. What I have gotten is lots of leads on more junk and made lots of friends. The more shows you go to, the more people you meet and talk to, the more cards you can pass out, the more leads you will get. One of my best times at shows is when I pull my engines into the local car cruise-ins on Saturday nights at the local mall. There might be 200-300 antique cars with big dollar paint jobs, upholstery, etc. The beautiful things sit there doing NOTHING for people to walk around and look. Meanwhile Tom's rusty junk from the early teens is going ka-boom, ka-boom! Of course most car lovers have never heard of a hit and miss engine, let alone heard one running. Guess who has the most people standing around their display all evening asking questions!!!! Have fun displaying where ever and whenever. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Mar 10 15:00:41 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:00:41 EST Subject: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic Message-ID: <8c.2289b8ba.2f622b99@aol.com> In a message dated 3/9/2005 11:52:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, lsain33 at charter.net writes: << My question, has anyone used one of these services or heard anything good or bad about them? >> Larry, Club member has bought a car, truck, tractor on different occasions and had them transported with no trouble from different haulers. He bought these things from the West here to Virginia. Have no idea the names of the haulers he has used. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Thu Mar 10 15:23:38 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:23:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL]An old engine,but still off topic References: Message-ID: <000701c525c8$31b416e0$b1631f40@ibm22761389857> Which part of NW Ohio. I am in Bowling Green. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hunter" To: Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 06:31 Subject: [SEL]An old engine,but still off topic Hi Larry, I live in northwest Oh and am real sure that if you should decide that the "engine" turns out to be too much trouble to retrive that I can gladly relieve you off the burden!!!!! LOL Jim _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Thu Mar 10 16:35:16 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:35:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A bigger pick up truck for hauling engines? In-Reply-To: <410-22005341033111656@earthlink.net> References: <410-22005341033111656@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4230E7C4.9020500@wightman.ca> I read an article on those today. Apparently, the engine won't need rebuilding untill 500,000 miles. If you can afford it, you don't care about fuel consumption too. Still, if my lottery number came through............................ :-) Duncan Tim Christoff wrote: >Hook up a trailer to this pick up and how many engines do you think you could take to a show? > >http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.internationaldelivers.com/assets/news/Articles/images/cxt-red-2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.internationaldelivers.com/site_layout/news/newsdetail.asp%3Fid%3D595&h=400&w=400&sz=95&tbnid=q6wDjnWn2UEJ:&tbnh=120&tbnw=120&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dinternational%2Bpick%2Bup%2Btruck%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG > > >Tim Christoff >Basehor KS. >tchristoff at earthlink.net >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 10 16:40:45 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:40:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags and a big Wahoo!!!!!!! References: <001401c525b0$27de5080$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Well gang, I did the kid next door trick, and she's got spark, not much but enuf to cause that "fine stream pi$$in." and no, I wouldn't let Cork do the cranking . This Dixie 46 does not have an audible impulse unlike the pigs or Wisconsin "V"'s. But of course we are hard of hearin'. We then got pretty excited and put some gas in the carb bowl, pulled the choke and on the 4 pull she fired and ran. Gambling on the retard/advance we went ahead anyway, as I know the dislocated thumb trick. She's a RUNNER and came to life after 50 years. Ya know around three years ago, I was told to trust an old mag although it was a Webster at the time,, and this upholds the theory that mag's are pretty much bullet proof if in reasonably good condition. The magnet would not hold a small screwdriver but had enuf to do the job. We'll go ahead and recharge it anyway. Now we need to find out how to hook up the dynamo and we'll be in tall cotton. Happy campers in Mt.!!!!!!!!!! Cork and Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:30 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags > Hi John, > > I've got three engines with rotary high tension mags. The Crossley and > the Petter do not have an impulse, and my two cylinder Novo Roller does. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, John Hammink wrote: > > > Hi John the IHC low tension mags are generators, so there's > > no need for an impulse or retard. > > Sofar a know there're lots of high tens mags without impulse and > > I think the impulse ones are in the minority (at old engines). > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Mar 10 16:57:53 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:57:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: <001401c525b0$27de5080$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <001401c525b0$27de5080$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <2d77e7239401fcad170357cd2c2eb2f6@chartertn.net> True, John. BTW, the high tension mag on my Fairbanks-Morse ZC 52 has no impulse mechanism or retard. John On Mar 10, 2005, at 3:31 PM, John Hammink wrote: > Hi John the IHC low tension mags are generators, so there's > no need for an impulse or retard. > Sofar a know there're lots of high tens mags without impulse and > I think the impulse ones are in the minority (at old engines). John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Mar 10 17:19:14 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:19:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not, What about insurance? Message-ID: <4230F212.7030905@earthlink.net> Hi all, Thanks for the many comments on this issue. Cleaned the slate so I could try to explain a little better. The reason I wanted the board of directors blessing is liability insurance. As I understand it, our insurance only covers "club" events. My only intention was to get a bunch together to show off iron, but the insurance issue concerns me. If it is not a "club" event, I don't think I would get many to attend because of the lack of insurance. It was never my intention to have the club equipment, sawmill, etc. to this small show. As far as I know all of that is never moved from it's home at a museum where we show it in action each fall. We would need the single rope and stands, fence, and I would gladly haul that and set it up. Comments welcome. Jeff Allen From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 10 17:21:05 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:21:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not. References: <9b.5af97ecf.2f622a8b@aol.com> Message-ID: There ya go Tom!! I was thinking the other day of doing the same thing with our local car clubs. Good'un RickinMt. > > One of my best times at shows is when I pull my engines into the local car > cruise-ins on Saturday nights at the local mall. There might be 200-300 > antique > cars with big dollar paint jobs, upholstery, etc. The beautiful things > sit > there doing NOTHING for people to walk around and look. Meanwhile Tom's > rusty > junk from the early teens is going ka-boom, ka-boom! Of course most car > lovers have never heard of a hit and miss engine, let alone heard one > running. > Guess who has the most people standing around their display all evening > asking > questions!!!! > > Have fun displaying where ever and whenever. > > > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From clemsweller at earthlink.net Thu Mar 10 17:25:41 2005 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:25:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic In-Reply-To: <016501c52542$123db3b0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Message-ID: <000001c525d9$45e23230$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Larry, Did you ever find a transport company? A friend of mine has bought an MG Midget from Minnesota and is trying to find a company to haul it to Indianapolis. Didn't see too many responses online, but thought it would be worth picking your brain. Chuck Emsweller clemsweller at earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Sain Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:24 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic Hi All, It's a little slow on the list and I'm in need of some off topic information. Given the experience of the list, someone can help me I'm sure. I bought an old engine, a 4-cylinder flathead. Unfortunately, it's in Michigan and I'm in Cat Square, North Carolina. It's also enclosed in a 1930 Model A Ford sedan. Given the cost of fuel, renting a U-Haul auto transport and two days off to do it myself, I can get a professional auto transport company to bring it to me for another couple hundred bucks. My question, has anyone used one of these services or heard anything good or bad about them? Answer off-list if you want and I apologize for the off-topic question. Thanks. Larry Sain in North Carolina _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 10 17:27:12 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:27:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ Message-ID: Purposely destroying a catalog??? Now this one's got me a litte hot...and it's a GAL!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3879209473 But I've had a red butt before so no big deal:-)) RickinMt. From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Mar 10 17:56:29 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:56:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags and a big Wahoo!!!!!!! References: <001401c525b0$27de5080$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <006901c525dd$8bd4b3e0$dcecf504@x8h7l9> Congratulations Rick. It must feel good. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Corky and Judy Harris" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags and a big Wahoo!!!!!!! > Well gang, I did the kid next door trick, and she's got spark, not much but > enuf to cause that "fine stream pi$$in." and no, I wouldn't let Cork do the > cranking . This Dixie 46 does not have an audible impulse unlike the > pigs or Wisconsin "V"'s. But of course we are hard of hearin'. We then got > pretty excited and put some gas in the carb bowl, pulled the choke and on > the 4 pull she fired and ran. Gambling on the retard/advance we went ahead > anyway, as I know the dislocated thumb trick. > > She's a RUNNER and came to life after 50 years. Ya know around three > years ago, I was told to trust an old mag although it was a Webster at the > time,, and this upholds the theory that mag's are pretty much bullet proof > if in reasonably good condition. The magnet would not hold a small > screwdriver but had enuf to do the job. We'll go ahead and recharge it > anyway. > > Now we need to find out how to hook up the dynamo and we'll be in tall > cotton. > > Happy campers in Mt.!!!!!!!!!! > Cork and Rick > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:30 PM > Subject: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags > > > > Hi John, > > > > I've got three engines with rotary high tension mags. The Crossley and > > the Petter do not have an impulse, and my two cylinder Novo Roller does. > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, John Hammink wrote: > > > > > Hi John the IHC low tension mags are generators, so there's > > > no need for an impulse or retard. > > > Sofar a know there're lots of high tens mags without impulse and > > > I think the impulse ones are in the minority (at old engines). > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rexhinz at chorus.net Thu Mar 10 18:06:28 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:06:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] My latest engine Message-ID: <000c01c525de$f25a51a0$2186a5d8@mycomputer> Hi all ; Just got my Economy engine I got on Ebay , Its a 2-1/2 hp model E 1918, it is almost complete just missing the plug wire and valve lock, it was located in nebraska and a truck driver friend picked it up for me and brought it back to Baraboo, It is well used but very restorable , the cam gears are all but worn out and the exhaust push rod worn ,it has a Wico EK mag and it is hot but the push rod is worn enough it tilys to the outside and misses the trip finger on the mag , I have it completly disassembled now and all else seems to be in very good shape, I hopr to have it restored and running by the Badger Steam and Gas show in Aug, I will put som pics up on webshots soon , I will most likley need some help from you experts setting up the mag trip and timing when I reassemble it, Rex Hinz From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 10 18:43:41 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:43:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] My latest engine References: <000c01c525de$f25a51a0$2186a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: Good one Rex!! Here's the flywheel timing mark on my 1918 5hp and you might want to hit fwd for a few more hints: http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/55799872OdCMtw On the top of the compression stroke it should line up with the top (I believe) of the exhaust push rod. This is when the spark occurs. As far as retard/advance on a EK, I'm not sure as I have a Webster. And the flywheel is turning CW when looking at the mag. Also, I don't remember seeing any timing marks on the cam or crank gear. The Herc gang can certainly help with that one. Good Luck...hope this helped a little. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 7:06 PM Subject: [SEL] My latest engine > Hi all ; > > Just got my Economy engine I got on Ebay , Its a 2-1/2 hp model E 1918, > it > is almost complete just missing the plug wire and valve lock, it was > located > in nebraska and a truck driver friend picked it up for me and brought it > back to Baraboo, It is well used but very restorable , the cam gears are > all but worn out and the exhaust push rod worn ,it has a Wico EK mag and > it > is hot but the push rod is worn enough it tilys to the outside and misses > the trip finger on the mag , I have it completly disassembled now and all > else seems to be in very good shape, I hopr to have it restored and > running > by the Badger Steam and Gas show in Aug, > I will put som pics up on webshots soon , I will most likley need some > help > from you experts setting up the mag trip and timing when I reassemble it, > > Rex Hinz > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 10 18:50:51 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:50:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags and a big Wahoo!!!!!!! References: <001401c525b0$27de5080$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <006901c525dd$8bd4b3e0$dcecf504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: Yes it did Ed. High 5's goin' all over the place. Nothing looks broke and only cleanup is needed. It does have a snowmobile muffler on it, but looks pretty good IMO. This is our first Barn Freshe and will only get cleaned up and shined...oh and a decent friendly cart built. Gotta figure out some cooling also. They did come with a fan and radiator on some models, but will probably go with some kind of convection gizmo..it does have a belt driven water pump. Just read where a Universal GenSet went to North Pole with Byrd. Thanks Ed Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "ED" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags and a big Wahoo!!!!!!! > Congratulations Rick. It must feel good. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Cc: "Corky and Judy Harris" > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 7:40 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags and a big Wahoo!!!!!!! > > > > Well gang, I did the kid next door trick, and she's got spark, not much > but > > enuf to cause that "fine stream pi$$in." and no, I wouldn't let Cork do > the > > cranking . This Dixie 46 does not have an audible impulse unlike > > the > > pigs or Wisconsin "V"'s. But of course we are hard of hearin'. We then > got > > pretty excited and put some gas in the carb bowl, pulled the choke and > > on > > the 4 pull she fired and ran. Gambling on the retard/advance we went > ahead > > anyway, as I know the dislocated thumb trick. > > > > She's a RUNNER and came to life after 50 years. Ya know around three > > years ago, I was told to trust an old mag although it was a Webster at > > the > > time,, and this upholds the theory that mag's are pretty much bullet > > proof > > if in reasonably good condition. The magnet would not hold a small > > screwdriver but had enuf to do the job. We'll go ahead and recharge it > > anyway. > > > > Now we need to find out how to hook up the dynamo and we'll be in tall > > cotton. > > > > Happy campers in Mt.!!!!!!!!!! > > Cork and Rick > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Arnie Fero" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:30 PM > > Subject: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags > > > > > > > Hi John, > > > > > > I've got three engines with rotary high tension mags. The Crossley > > > and > > > the Petter do not have an impulse, and my two cylinder Novo Roller > > > does. > > > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, John Hammink wrote: > > > > > > > Hi John the IHC low tension mags are generators, so there's > > > > no need for an impulse or retard. > > > > Sofar a know there're lots of high tens mags without impulse and > > > > I think the impulse ones are in the minority (at old engines). > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rexhinz at chorus.net Thu Mar 10 18:58:20 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:58:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic References: <000001c525d9$45e23230$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <002801c525e6$31509e80$2186a5d8@mycomputer> Try www.packshipusa.com the said they would haul my engine from Kenesaw Ne. to Baraboo for $183.00 , I didn't use them but it would cost more in fuel to go there myself its around 700 miles one way Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 7:25 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic > Larry, > > Did you ever find a transport company? A friend of mine has bought an > MG Midget from Minnesota and is trying to find a company to haul it to > Indianapolis. Didn't see too many responses online, but thought it > would be worth picking your brain. > > Chuck Emsweller > clemsweller at earthlink.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Sain > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:24 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic > > Hi All, > > It's a little slow on the list and I'm in need of some off topic > information. Given the experience of the list, someone can help me I'm > sure. I bought an old engine, a 4-cylinder flathead. Unfortunately, > it's in Michigan and I'm in Cat Square, North Carolina. It's also > enclosed in a 1930 Model A Ford sedan. Given the cost of fuel, renting > a U-Haul auto transport and two days off to do it myself, I can get a > professional auto transport company to bring it to me for another couple > hundred bucks. My question, has anyone used one of these services or > heard anything good or bad about them? Answer off-list if you want and > I apologize for the off-topic question. Thanks. > > Larry Sain in North Carolina > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Bimjy at hotmail.com Thu Mar 10 19:42:49 2005 From: Bimjy at hotmail.com (Jim Hunter) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:42:49 -0500 Subject: [sel]An old engine,but still ot Message-ID: I am from Carey,O. A mere 45 minutes from BG!! Small world huh? It's cool to hear that a fellow addictee lives so close. Did you go to Findlay show last year? I took a motorbike ride to BG last year to show at the historical society show. Really neat oilfield equipment there. More later on!! Jim From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Thu Mar 10 21:51:09 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:51:09 -0500 Subject: [sel]An old engine,but still ot References: Message-ID: <004001c525fe$54598140$9f601f40@ibm22761389857> We make the Findlay show. Also I blacksmith at the historical society right next to the boiler. Also make Portland, Gibsonburg, Five Point Threshers and Wauseon and some others. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hunter" To: Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 22:42 Subject: re:[sel]An old engine,but still ot I am from Carey,O. A mere 45 minutes from BG!! Small world huh? It's cool to hear that a fellow addictee lives so close. Did you go to Findlay show last year? I took a motorbike ride to BG last year to show at the historical society show. Really neat oilfield equipment there. More later on!! Jim _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Mar 7 01:27:04 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:27:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Oz Auction Report In-Reply-To: <1d9.37ee650f.2f5ccd9c@aol.com> Message-ID: <200503110653.j2B6rb88076761@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I was tempted by the 10hp M except for two things: It was not the correct transport for the engine, I think it had been made up from Famous wheels and some steel channels: & it had been converted to spark plug so was missing all the nice (and expensive to replace) low tension gear. It could have been run on the plug but it is nice to have all the right bits. As with many of the engines the 10hp M had some damage. The fuel pump handle was broken off (but the piece was there) and the fuel pump itself had been snapped in half (again all the bits were there). Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- In a message dated 3/5/2005 4:59:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: << 10hp IHC M portable (95% complete) $1700 >> If it was in decent condition, I would say that was the buy of the day there! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Fri Mar 11 10:33:43 2005 From: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:33:43 Subject: [SEL] re: massey Harris Logo Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050311103343.009c5520@127.0.0.1> Hi all Thanks for the help. Look here for the result - comments welcome. www.oldengine.org/members/evans/mh.htm Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From clemsweller at earthlink.net Fri Mar 11 02:13:39 2005 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 05:13:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic In-Reply-To: <002801c525e6$31509e80$2186a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <001201c52623$0224bc80$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Thanks. We'll give that a try. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:58 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic Try www.packshipusa.com the said they would haul my engine from Kenesaw Ne. to Baraboo for $183.00 , I didn't use them but it would cost more in fuel to go there myself its around 700 miles one way Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 7:25 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic > Larry, > > Did you ever find a transport company? A friend of mine has bought an > MG Midget from Minnesota and is trying to find a company to haul it to > Indianapolis. Didn't see too many responses online, but thought it > would be worth picking your brain. > > Chuck Emsweller > clemsweller at earthlink.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Sain > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:24 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic > > Hi All, > > It's a little slow on the list and I'm in need of some off topic > information. Given the experience of the list, someone can help me I'm > sure. I bought an old engine, a 4-cylinder flathead. Unfortunately, > it's in Michigan and I'm in Cat Square, North Carolina. It's also > enclosed in a 1930 Model A Ford sedan. Given the cost of fuel, renting > a U-Haul auto transport and two days off to do it myself, I can get a > professional auto transport company to bring it to me for another couple > hundred bucks. My question, has anyone used one of these services or > heard anything good or bad about them? Answer off-list if you want and > I apologize for the off-topic question. Thanks. > > Larry Sain in North Carolina > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Fri Mar 11 04:03:02 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:03:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] re: massey Harris Logo In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20050311103343.009c5520@127.0.0.1> References: <3.0.6.32.20050311103343.009c5520@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <423188F6.70702@wightman.ca> lLooks fine on this end Jerry. I would have no problem putting it on my engine. And I did walk out to the garage and compare. lol Duncan Jerry Evans wrote: >Hi all > Thanks for the help. Look here for the result - comments welcome. >www.oldengine.org/members/evans/mh.htm >Best regards >Jerry Evans. >Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery > >Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery >Alternative ! >We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack >/ Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss >(FDISK). >We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. >Visit our site: >http://www.databak.co.za >Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 >Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 >eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za >Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa > > > > > > >--- >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From Bimjy at hotmail.com Fri Mar 11 03:12:54 2005 From: Bimjy at hotmail.com (Jim Hunter) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:12:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] {sel]An old engine,butstill ot Message-ID: Well, then we have already unofficially met! I watched you work your magic at BG! . You made it look real easy!!I,m sure that it gets darn,d hot in that building as the day goes on. It's great that you are displaying your trade like that as I and many many others I,m sure really enjoy seeing how it's done. We made Findlay,Portland, and Wyandot County Fair last year. Hope to go more this year! I hear Wausean is cool show. When is that? Jim Hunter From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri Mar 11 03:29:20 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:29:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] re: massey Harris Logo References: <3.0.6.32.20050311103343.009c5520@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <000701c5262d$917b5510$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Jerry, you made the same mistake as a few days ago. The file address is from your HD. Be calm :o) John H. > Hi all > Thanks for the help. Look here for the result - comments welcome. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/mh.htm > Best regards > Jerry Evans. > Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery /sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Mar 11 04:27:40 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 05:27:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me Message-ID: Howdy again.. appreciate all the comebacks to my posts on the Universal Engine!! Would someone please ID this little jewel? Sorry about the bad picture..please don't look at it too long:-)) http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466611bNifnx And here's a pretty kewl shingle mill that we're trying for. http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466689rkiFQV Thanks much gang RickinMt. From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Mar 11 04:34:05 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:34:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not, What about insurance? In-Reply-To: <4230F212.7030905@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Some might think I'm stupid for saying this, but it is my opinion. I'm not concerned with insurance. I'll go and run my junk and not live in fear. If it was mandatory to have insurance and I had to prove it, I'd stay at home and run my junk. I run my Rumely at one show and the insurance thought never crosses my mind, having a good time and giving people rides certainly does. One old timer need quite a bit of help to get up on the platform. I cannot use words to describe what a great time he and I had, and how much it meant to him. A thousand and one things could have happned while he was on it ro even getting on it. Some might remember my big air blowers I hauled around last year. Anybody could have stuck their arm inside one of them and probably had it chewed off. Never worried about insurance. I was always in control of the equipment and could have grabbed anybody by the shirt collar to tell them to stay away. Never had to. If someone did get hurt and wanted to sue to pants off me, go ahead, I won't have 'anything' when it is time to pay up and even if I had to 'pay up' it is only stuff. Whether it is my engines or cash. It's still only stuff. It's all replaceable. This topic comes up every so often and some will be concerned with insurance and some won't, that won't ever change. I'm one of the ones that chooses to not be worried about insurance. My opinion/comments for what it's worth. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA >From: Jeff Allen > >Hi all, > >Thanks for the many comments on this issue. Cleaned the slate so I could >try to explain a little better. > >The reason I wanted the board of directors blessing is liability insurance. >As I understand it, our insurance only covers "club" events. My only >intention was to get a bunch together to show off iron, but the insurance >issue concerns me. If it is not a "club" event, I don't think I would get >many to attend because of the lack of insurance. > >It was never my intention to have the club equipment, sawmill, etc. to this >small show. As far as I know all of that is never moved from it's home at a >museum where we show it in action each fall. We would need the single rope >and stands, fence, and I would gladly haul that and set it up. > >Comments welcome. > >Jeff Allen From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 11 06:47:04 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:47:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Showing engines, What about insurance? EDGE&TA!! In-Reply-To: <20050311030229.21865.qmail@web81406.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050311030229.21865.qmail@web81406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Craig, On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Craig Mathews wrote: > As Membership Chairman for our club, I have attended some private > shows, and according to EDGE&TA rules, if I send it in 30+ days prior, > we are covered. If your not with EDGE&TA, it may be different. But I > have never experienced any issues other than a show coming up earlier > than 30 days, that we could attend as a club. I was going to make the same suggestion to Jeff; namely that he join EDGE&TA. Best damn insurance deal there is. Our club has done that for years. One question.... I thought EDGE&TA had dropped the "prior notification" requirement (either last year, or for this show season) as being silly and of no value. Are you certain that this is still required by EDGE&TA? Dave Rotigel is our club secretary and is the one who deals with EDGE&TA. Perhaps he'll weigh in when he returns from the Zolfo Springs show. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri Mar 11 06:46:43 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:46:43 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me References: Message-ID: <001501c52649$24413b10$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hey Rick, what are you doing? Looks like Gorky and you will become Museum Directors :o)) John H. > Howdy again.. appreciate all the comebacks to my posts on the Universal > Engine!! > > Would someone please ID this little jewel? Sorry about the bad > picture..please don't look at it too long:-)) > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466611bNifnx > > And here's a pretty kewl shingle mill that we're trying for. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466689rkiFQV > > Thanks much gang > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri Mar 11 07:27:39 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:27:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Showing engines, What about insurance? EDGE&TA!! References: <20050311030229.21865.qmail@web81406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004601c5264e$dc9c42e0$9235ef18@pengy> Arnie, What are the dues for joining the Fort Allen EDGETA branch? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: Cc: "Dave Rotigel" ; "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:47 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Showing engines, What about insurance? EDGE&TA!! > Hi Craig, > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Craig Mathews wrote: > >> As Membership Chairman for our club, I have attended some private >> shows, and according to EDGE&TA rules, if I send it in 30+ days prior, >> we are covered. If your not with EDGE&TA, it may be different. But I >> have never experienced any issues other than a show coming up earlier >> than 30 days, that we could attend as a club. > > I was going to make the same suggestion to Jeff; namely that he join > EDGE&TA. Best damn insurance deal there is. Our club has done that for > years. > > One question.... I thought EDGE&TA had dropped the "prior notification" > requirement (either last year, or for this show season) as being silly and > of no value. Are you certain that this is still required by EDGE&TA? > > Dave Rotigel is our club secretary and is the one who deals with EDGE&TA. > Perhaps he'll weigh in when he returns from the Zolfo Springs show. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri Mar 11 07:29:16 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:29:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Showing engines, What about insurance? EDGE&TA!! References: <20050311030229.21865.qmail@web81406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004901c5264f$16282a10$9235ef18@pengy> I was reading the insurance page and the requirement is dropped for members attending shows but they still have to be notified prior to a branch sponsored event. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: Cc: "Dave Rotigel" ; "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:47 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Showing engines, What about insurance? EDGE&TA!! > Hi Craig, > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Craig Mathews wrote: > >> As Membership Chairman for our club, I have attended some private >> shows, and according to EDGE&TA rules, if I send it in 30+ days prior, >> we are covered. If your not with EDGE&TA, it may be different. But I >> have never experienced any issues other than a show coming up earlier >> than 30 days, that we could attend as a club. > > I was going to make the same suggestion to Jeff; namely that he join > EDGE&TA. Best damn insurance deal there is. Our club has done that for > years. > > One question.... I thought EDGE&TA had dropped the "prior notification" > requirement (either last year, or for this show season) as being silly and > of no value. Are you certain that this is still required by EDGE&TA? > > Dave Rotigel is our club secretary and is the one who deals with EDGE&TA. > Perhaps he'll weigh in when he returns from the Zolfo Springs show. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Mar 11 07:29:50 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:29:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me References: <001501c52649$24413b10$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: We will definetly have a public museum John..just as soon as I trade in the motorhome and get the room. Hopefully line shaft operating blacksmith machinery and the whole nine yards. Re: the first post...it's a dishpan isn't it?? Take care pard, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery engine to me > Hey Rick, what are you doing? > Looks like Gorky and you will become Museum Directors :o)) > > John H. > > > > > Howdy again.. appreciate all the comebacks to my posts on the > > Universal > > Engine!! > > > > Would someone please ID this little jewel? Sorry about the bad > > picture..please don't look at it too long:-)) > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466611bNifnx > > > > And here's a pretty kewl shingle mill that we're trying for. > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466689rkiFQV > > > > Thanks much gang > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 11 07:57:48 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:57:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me References: <001501c52649$24413b10$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <003901c52653$1391f200$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > We will definetly have a public museum John..just as soon as I trade in the > motorhome and get the room. Hopefully line shaft operating blacksmith > machinery and the whole nine yards. > goat-dog treadmill !!!! Sell goat butter to tourists do you get those ? http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0803298080.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg > Re: the first post...it's a dishpan isn't it?? > the plugs in the right spot but the hopper hole Im used to seeing on those has no lip chuck balyeat From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 11 08:25:24 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:25:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Showing engines, What about insurance? EDGE&TA!! In-Reply-To: <004601c5264e$dc9c42e0$9235ef18@pengy> References: <20050311030229.21865.qmail@web81406.mail.yahoo.com> <004601c5264e$dc9c42e0$9235ef18@pengy> Message-ID: Hi Rick, I think its $12 per year for club membership including the EDGE&TA insurance, but I'm not certain. I've emailed Dave cos I've tossed my recent newsletter that had the dues info. Whatever it is, it's REALLY cheap! See ya, Arnie PS - We are open to members from all over the world. I think we currently have members in England and Oz. They don't attend many meetings though... On Fri, 11 Mar 2005, Tod Engine wrote: > What are the dues for joining the Fort Allen EDGETA branch? From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 11 08:31:05 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:31:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] EDGE&TA Reporting Requirements Message-ID: Hiya Folks, Dave just forwarded this link to the EDGE&TA Reporting Requirements. http://www.edgeta.org/eventsreporting.asp The only thing that needs to be reported are the events that the club is sponsoring. So if you are putting on a show, you need to tell EDGE&TA a week in advance. If you are ATTENDING a show, there is NO prior notice required. That was my understanding. Hope that clarifies things for everyone. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Mar 11 07:52:45 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:52:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not, What about insurance? Message-ID: <20050311.112714.828.8.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Luke, I feel the same way you do about the insurance issue. (Except where you make the statement about being able to grab someone by the shirt collar and tell them to stay back.) I've gone to several shows that, on their flyer, say "Proof of Insurance Required" and no one has ever asked for proof of insurance. I have insurance through EDGE&TA for what it's worth. I run my junk and "try" to keep an eye on everything, and everyone, at once. The people that scare me most are the ones that want to enter your area and bull crap while standing too close to a piece of running equipment. They're clothes getting caught is my main concern. I don't carry ropes & stanchions but, I made some up for a couple shows. Mostly because I want to reserve a spot for myself or a friend but also to keep people at bay. Some shows put up ropes. Some don't. But the talk of insurance has stopped me from taking some equipment to a few shows. After the Medina, OH explosion my main show, Tri-State Historical Steam, has discontinued showing because insurance prices got too high and the coverage was minimal. We tried incorporating with a local fair but they wouldn't insure "steam", so that idea was scraped and the organization folded. More than anything else I believe we need to get the Lawyers & Judges to come back down to earth and quit making people rich by their own stupidity. Yes, you can run your junk at home but, I don't think there's a lot of fun in that. Without people to watch and ask questions and bull crap with and, buy & sell a few small things, not to mention the comradery of it all, there's not much fun in holding a "one man show" in your back yard. So - - - Run what ya brung - - - Have a good time - - - Use your head and hope no one gets hurt. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 11 10:18:25 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:18:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not, What about insurance? In-Reply-To: <20050311.112714.828.8.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050311.112714.828.8.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, Besides that way Silvia wouldn't get hugs & kisses from strange, furry guys. 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - Don't forget the Hammer In and Plow Days is April 30 - May 1 at West Overton. I'm looking forward to Silvia being there. 8-)) On Fri, 11 Mar 2005, Joseph L Betz wrote: > Yes, you can run your junk at home but, I don't think there's a lot of > fun in that. Without people to watch and ask questions and bull crap > with and, buy & sell a few small things, not to mention the comradery of > it all, there's not much fun in holding a "one man show" in your back > yard. From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri Mar 11 10:30:52 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:30:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags In-Reply-To: <200503111100.j2BB0Cq5025819@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: > 16. Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags (Arnie Fero) >> >Message: 16 >Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:30:51 -0500 (EST) >From: Arnie Fero >Subject: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >Hi John, > >I've got three engines with rotary high tension mags. The Crossley and >the Petter do not have an impulse, and my two cylinder Novo Roller does. > >See ya, Arnie > I certainly didn't mean to speak as though I were an authority on the subject. I was only drawing from my own, albeit limited, experience. Arnie, do you have to do anything special when starting the engines sans impulse? Like was already stated impulse on a mag is an aid for safer/easier starting. Maybe I will get to see one at SIAM this summer. I am a FATG but read this list so that I can learn about engines. I learned something new today. BTW When I mentioned 1 cylinder Wisconsins I was thinking of the air cooled version that you would find on an antique garden tractor or pump. I have three of them and they all have external mags and all have impulse. I meant to exlude the ones with flywheel mags i.e. Briggs & Stratton. From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Mar 11 10:53:48 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:53:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Like was already stated impulse on a mag is an aid for safer/easier > starting. Yep. Mags with no impulse are a reason some engines aren't readily startable without the use of a crank. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Mar 11 11:39:21 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:39:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50741.165.206.180.118.1110569961.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Exactly - so we belt them up to a Maytag and use it as a pony motor to start the larger engine.......... I DO use an electric Maytag motor belted to the flat pulley to start my Associated with that cool but funky rotary mag mounted up the backside. Bill >> Like was already stated impulse on a mag is an aid for safer/easier >> starting. > > Yep. Mags with no impulse are a reason some engines aren't readily > startable without the use of a crank. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Mar 11 12:41:12 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:41:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me References: Message-ID: <002101c5267b$2962c960$0301a8c0@Reg> Looks like a Lauson to me. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:27 PM Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me > Howdy again.. appreciate all the comebacks to my posts on the Universal > Engine!! > > Would someone please ID this little jewel? Sorry about the bad > picture..please don't look at it too long:-)) > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466611bNifnx > > And here's a pretty kewl shingle mill that we're trying for. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466689rkiFQV > > Thanks much gang > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Mar 11 12:44:39 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:44:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not, What about insurance? References: Message-ID: <002201c5267b$29bfdd80$0301a8c0@Reg> Hi Luke.I made a similar statement a couple of years back. (That I would be quite happy to show my models without insurance) abd all hell broke loose!!! My club tried to get me thrown out and the lines of pure hate still run hot. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:34 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Showing engines or not, What about insurance? > Some might think I'm stupid for saying this, but it is my opinion. I'm not > concerned with insurance. I'll go and run my junk and not live in fear. If > it was mandatory to have insurance and I had to prove it, I'd stay at home > and run my junk. I run my Rumely at one show and the insurance thought > never crosses my mind, having a good time and giving people rides certainly > does. One old timer need quite a bit of help to get up on the platform. I > cannot use words to describe what a great time he and I had, and how much it > meant to him. A thousand and one things could have happned while he was on > it ro even getting on it. Some might remember my big air blowers I hauled > around last year. Anybody could have stuck their arm inside one of them and > probably had it chewed off. Never worried about insurance. I was always in > control of the equipment and could have grabbed anybody by the shirt collar > to tell them to stay away. Never had to. If someone did get hurt and wanted > to sue to pants off me, go ahead, I won't have 'anything' when it is time to > pay up and even if I had to 'pay up' it is only stuff. Whether it is my > engines or cash. It's still only stuff. It's all replaceable. This topic > comes up every so often and some will be concerned with insurance and some > won't, that won't ever change. I'm one of the ones that chooses to not be > worried about insurance. My opinion/comments for what it's worth. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > >From: Jeff Allen > > > >Hi all, > > > >Thanks for the many comments on this issue. Cleaned the slate so I could > >try to explain a little better. > > > >The reason I wanted the board of directors blessing is liability insurance. > >As I understand it, our insurance only covers "club" events. My only > >intention was to get a bunch together to show off iron, but the insurance > >issue concerns me. If it is not a "club" event, I don't think I would get > >many to attend because of the lack of insurance. > > > >It was never my intention to have the club equipment, sawmill, etc. to this > >small show. As far as I know all of that is never moved from it's home at a > >museum where we show it in action each fall. We would need the single rope > >and stands, fence, and I would gladly haul that and set it up. > > > >Comments welcome. > > > >Jeff Allen > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 11 12:59:59 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:59:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Andy, Since I just have the two engines with rotary mags, my experience here is limited. But let me tell you how I start both. After the normal prep stuff, both are given a priming charge and are turned back against compression at the end of the exhaust stroke. The reason for that is to get maximum turns on the flywheel before you get ignition. The two engines are a 5 hp Petter M and a 7 hp Crossley 1070PE. Each is started with a hand crank. The Petter usually is turned through two or three full cycles before it hits and when it does it throws the hand crank (which looks like a disembowling hook) free of the gov weights cover where it engages. For the Crossley, it has a half-compression cam and a retard lever on the mag. It also has VERY heavy electric flywheels. That one is usually turned through 4 or 5 cycles before it fires reliably or before I poop out. That beast is a lot to turn over fast!! When it hits, its a little "softer" than the Petter and the crank comes off the crankshaft very smoothly. The inertia of the moving flywheels is enough to prevent a kick-back. Hope that helps. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 11 Mar 2005, Andy Glines wrote: > >I've got three engines with rotary high tension mags. The Crossley and > >the Petter do not have an impulse, and my two cylinder Novo Roller does. > > > I certainly didn't mean to speak as though I were an authority on the > subject. I was only drawing from my own, albeit limited, experience. > Arnie, do you have to do anything special when starting the engines sans > impulse? Like was already stated impulse on a mag is an aid for > safer/easier starting. From markshattuck at ntelos.net Fri Mar 11 13:32:16 2005 From: markshattuck at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:32:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me In-Reply-To: <002101c5267b$2962c960$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <200503112132.j2BLWIi03074@mailrtr01.ntelos.net> Looks like a Fairbanks Morris model Z to me Mark L Shattuck -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Reg Ingold Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 3:41 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery engine to me Looks like a Lauson to me. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:27 PM Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me > Howdy again.. appreciate all the comebacks to my posts on the Universal > Engine!! > > Would someone please ID this little jewel? Sorry about the bad > picture..please don't look at it too long:-)) > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466611bNifnx > > And here's a pretty kewl shingle mill that we're trying for. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466689rkiFQV > > Thanks much gang > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Mar 11 13:38:53 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:38:53 EST Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not, What about insurance? Message-ID: <156.4cab5965.2f6369ed@aol.com> In a message dated 3/10/2005 8:53:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: << The reason I wanted the board of directors blessing is liability insurance. >> Jeff, Your homeowners policy covers you when you are showing your wares as a hobby. As long as you are not charging people to see your stuff as a business for profit the homeowners policy will cover any and all shows you go to. If greatly concerned then up your policy to $1M liability. It is cheap coverage when added to your homeowners policy. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Mar 11 13:49:39 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:49:39 EST Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ Message-ID: In a message dated 3/10/2005 8:53:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << Purposely destroying a catalog??? Now this one's got me a litte hot...and it's a GAL!! >> Is there any difference in this and Ken Meeks taking apart every engine he gets and selling parts? Every time he takes one apart, it is an engine lost forever. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri Mar 11 14:00:05 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:00:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050311220005.71718.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> I agree with Reg on the Lauson... Here is an Alpha Delavel (different tag) built by Lauson You can see that this one is missing the wico mag bracket and tag. It was purchased for a local Boy Scouts group for their engine project...mag and bracket were purchased at a swap meet. They have ~$500 into the project. Not bad for an engine on a cart that runs. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/2004PoloIL/14.JPG Steve > > Looks like a Lauson to me. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > > > Howdy again.. appreciate all the comebacks to my posts on the > Universal Engine!! > > Would someone please ID this little jewel? Sorry about the bad > picture..please don't look at it too long:-)) > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466611bNifnx > > > Thanks much gang > RickinMt. From Bimjy at hotmail.com Fri Mar 11 14:00:58 2005 From: Bimjy at hotmail.com (Jim Hunter) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:00:58 -0500 Subject: [sel]An old engine,but still ot Message-ID: I sure do know what you mean about the precious part! Dad has 4 A's and a T. What great pieces of american history. Still rather drive my tractor though!! From Vivas1993 at aol.com Fri Mar 11 14:09:36 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:09:36 EST Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me Message-ID: Hi Rick, I'm pretty sure it's a Lauson 1 1/2hp. There's on on ebay right now. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3880005280& rd=1 Hope your gonna add it to your ever growing collection ! Take care, Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Mar 11 14:17:05 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:17:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me References: <200503112132.j2BLWIi03074@mailrtr01.ntelos.net> Message-ID: Well thanks guys, guess I'd better get back up there and crawl thru the rubble and check her out. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark L Shattuck" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Mystery engine to me > Looks like a Fairbanks Morris model Z to me > Mark L Shattuck > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Reg Ingold > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 3:41 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery engine to me > > Looks like a Lauson to me. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:27 PM > Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me > > > > Howdy again.. appreciate all the comebacks to my posts on the > > Universal > > Engine!! > > > > Would someone please ID this little jewel? Sorry about the bad > > picture..please don't look at it too long:-)) > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466611bNifnx > > > > And here's a pretty kewl shingle mill that we're trying for. > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466689rkiFQV > > > > Thanks much gang > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Mar 11 14:25:22 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:25:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42321AD2.6060207@fidnet.com> My first thought was a dishpan Fairbanks, but as Chuck said, it has no lip on the hopper opening and it looks like it has a Wico mag. I think the dishpans were battery and coil. Is there any sign of a mounting for a battery box on the offside? Gary Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy again.. appreciate all the comebacks to my posts on the Universal > Engine!! > > Would someone please ID this little jewel? Sorry about the bad > picture..please don't look at it too long:-)) > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466611bNifnx > > And here's a pretty kewl shingle mill that we're trying for. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466689rkiFQV > > Thanks much gang > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Mar 11 14:33:40 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:33:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ References: Message-ID: I'd say they were in the same ballpark. After all we're just borrower's for a very short time..(stolen, but agree). I emailed the dude and gave him my thot's. Now I'm not against parting one out if it's a basket case and that has some variables also. Criminal, jus Criminal!! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ > In a message dated 3/10/2005 8:53:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > > << Purposely destroying a catalog??? Now this one's got me a litte > hot...and > it's a GAL!! >> > > > Is there any difference in this and Ken Meeks taking apart every engine he > gets and selling parts? Every time he takes one apart, it is an engine > lost > forever. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 11 14:44:36 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:44:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Tom, I understand where you're coming from with your concern about parting out an engine. I like to be a little more positive in how I view that. To me what Ken Meeks does is to help resurrect two, or five, or ten, or more "dead engines" whose likely fate was to be a boat anchor, a mailbox, or a flower pot. With Ken's parts, they become running engines that otherwise would have been "lost forever." See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Is there any difference in this and Ken Meeks taking apart every engine he > gets and selling parts? Every time he takes one apart, it is an engine lost > forever. > > Tom Schmutz From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Mar 11 14:34:34 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:34:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] EDGE&TA Message-ID: <20050311.174305.1288.6.jlb94@juno.com> I think its $12 per year for club membership including the EDGE&TA insurance, but I'm not certain. Hi Arnie - I paid $12.00 Ft. Allen Membership - $10.50 EDGE&TA on top of that. And a few hugs for Sylvia from strange furry guys. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From Bimjy at hotmail.com Fri Mar 11 15:20:55 2005 From: Bimjy at hotmail.com (Jim Hunter) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:20:55 -0500 Subject: [sel]Showing engines or not, what about insurance Message-ID: Hi Tom. I assumed my homeowners would cover my stuff but when I finally double checked I found that my policy only covers my stuff at a show if I also use the stuff to help maintain my property in some way!! It's written up so as to cover themselves!!!! Sure glad I checked. Now I purchase a Rider every year for each engine. You may also want to double check just in case! Thanks Jim Hunter From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 11 15:15:37 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:15:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ References: Message-ID: <007a01c52690$3c5b7520$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> to help resurrect two, or five, or ten, or more > "dead engines" whose likely fate was to be a boat anchor, a mailbox, or a > flower pot. >>>>>> Who is the guy .... You know the one , he does the same thing sorta you will be walking the back 40 at the big swaps and there he'll be removing the cylinder from a piston with a 16lb sledge . Jethro something ? Chuck From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Mar 11 16:27:29 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:27:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42323771.5000800@scrtc.com> Right Dwight, here's a manual for it on ebay now as well: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3880410627&rd=1 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Vivas1993 at aol.com wrote: >Hi Rick, > I'm pretty sure it's a Lauson 1 1/2hp. There's on on ebay right now. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3880005280& >rd=1 > > Hope your gonna add it to your ever growing collection ! > Take care, > Dwight Vivas > Matoaca, VA >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Mar 11 16:43:27 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:43:27 -0500 Subject: [sel]Showing engines or not, what about insurance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42323B2F.9010808@scrtc.com> Jim, You're right. Homeowner's policies are written differently by different companies. Each contains their own exclusions and criteria for coverage. Read the policy carefully but it still may be difficult to understand. If you want to know for sure, request that your agent give you a letter stating if your engines / iron is covered under the homeowner's and any exclusions or criteria for coverage. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Jim Hunter wrote: >Hi Tom. I assumed my homeowners would cover my stuff but when I finally double checked I found that my policy only covers my stuff at a show if I also use the stuff to help maintain my property in some way!! It's written up so as to cover themselves!!!! Sure glad I checked. Now I purchase a Rider every year for each engine. You may also want to double check just in case! Thanks Jim Hunter >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Mar 11 16:49:28 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:49:28 -0700 Subject: [sel]Showing engines or not, what about insurance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42323C98.1060603@earthlink.net> Hi all, Thanks for all the great comments and ideas. I'll look into my homeowners insurance and EDGE&TA. Others may take Luke's approach and not worry about it. I have been sued once and it is a very unpleasant experience. Insurance for me. Been pretty down about this for several days. You folks made my day, and I'm off to start planning an engine show. Couldn't have done it without you. Thanks again, Jeff Allen From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Mar 11 16:59:21 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:59:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Carb help wanted Message-ID: <42323EE9.30803@earthlink.net> Hi all, Just got this today. If you can help reply direct to him at: Oldtimetv at aol.com > Hi im interested in restoring a batch of older Briggs,Nelson etc cast > iron engines.Some arent so ancient but I save em from the muncher.I > take any side shaft type.The usual problem is the carburators.The > straight Briggs type are OK but all the bowl types are shot.Is there > any carb rebuilder who can help.In particular a Nelson from the 30s or > 40s .I also need a starting crank like on a model A for the nelson.It > also has a magneto timing lever which points to its age to "prevent' > kick back.Some of my engines have been outside and the carbs are > really toast in some cases but I figure theres always someone who can > do the job.Any help appreciated and Thanks in advance Vaughn Already sent him to the Antique Small Engine site, so no need to duplicate that. Jeff Allen From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Mar 11 17:34:12 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:34:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me References: <42323771.5000800@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Thanks again guys for all the links, pictures and manual. Initially I didn't think it was a dishpan because of the Wico and then I got busy with another project and didn't think about it anymore until my friend brought the picture over. As the BPB is loaned out I didn't have a clue. I knew the hopper opening was wrong for a dishpan as well as the Wico and the strange three bolts holes on the flywheel. You guys are the best and will be going back there real soon. Take care Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery engine to me > Right Dwight, here's a manual for it on ebay now as well: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3880410627&rd=1 > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Vivas1993 at aol.com wrote: > > >Hi Rick, > > I'm pretty sure it's a Lauson 1 1/2hp. There's on on ebay right now. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3880005280& > >rd=1 > > > > Hope your gonna add it to your ever growing collection ! > > Take care, > > Dwight Vivas > > Matoaca, VA > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rwenig at telus.net Fri Mar 11 19:02:23 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:02:23 -0700 Subject: Antique Small Engine site url: was Re: [SEL] Carb help wanted In-Reply-To: <42323EE9.30803@earthlink.net> References: <42323EE9.30803@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42325BBF.30207@telus.net> Hello Jeff, May I get the url for the Antique Small Engine site? I'd like to see what it is about. Thanks in advance. Rupert Jeff Allen wrote: > > Already sent him to the Antique Small Engine site, so no need to > duplicate that. > > Jeff Allen > > _______________________________________________ From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Mar 11 19:13:21 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:13:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050311220847.02689ec0@mail.alltel.net> >Hi Tom, >I understand where you're coming from with your concern about parting out >an engine. I like to be a little more positive in how I view that. To me >what Ken Meeks does is to help resurrect two, or five, or ten, or more >"dead engines" whose likely fate was to be a boat anchor, a mailbox, or a >flower pot. With Ken's parts, they become running engines that otherwise >would have been "lost forever." >See ya, Arnie Hi Arnie, Like Ed at Hit and Miss, Ken is in business to make money--NOT to "help" our hobby. There is simply more money in parts than there is in "whole" engines! Dave PS, I still think the List should censure Curt for making patterns of things that Ed sells to put food on his children's table! From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Mar 11 21:31:33 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:31:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine Gal Message-ID: <42327EB5.7070208@earthlink.net> Hi all, Once all of you made my day better, it went uphill from there. The oldest granddaughter stopped by tonight with one of her friends. My wife and I share the living room space with our nicknacks. One of mine is a model of a Ford 427 SOCH engine. The granddaughters friend noticed it, looked at it, and said it was cute. Cute is a womens way of expressing impressed. I have learned that. Next thing we know we are talking cars and hot rods and then I am showing car show pictures to her. 69 was the year they changed the Chevelle body and she knew that. One thing leads to another and we ended up in the garage and lit the Maytag. Smiles all around and perhaps a new member of this strange group that plays with old iron. Life is good again. Jeff Allen From peter at loud-n-clear.net Sat Mar 12 00:25:58 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:25:58 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine in NZ revisited Message-ID: <3m+nSU0WeqMCFw3K@lnc025.dial.nildram.co.uk> Further to my earlier message, Gordon Banfield has sent me four more pictures of an engine that he can't identify. I still can't help. It can be seen at: http://www.petesextension.com/Gordon/ Anyone have any ideas? Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Mar 12 04:50:11 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:50:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Gal In-Reply-To: <42327EB5.7070208@earthlink.net> References: <42327EB5.7070208@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050312074549.0e7f2f10@mail.alltel.net> >One thing leads to another and we ended up in the garage and lit the >Maytag. Smiles all around and perhaps a new member of this strange group >that plays with old iron. Life is good again. >Jeff Allen Hi Jeff, Lighting up a MAYTAG is always a thrill--particularly on a cold winter's night. I did so as well earlier in the year. As you say, "Smiles all around." Picture is at http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html Click on the last picture--"Firing up a Maytag." Dave From edstoller at earthlink.net Sat Mar 12 05:27:22 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:27:22 -0500 Subject: Antique Small Engine site url: was Re: [SEL] Carb help wanted References: <42323EE9.30803@earthlink.net> <42325BBF.30207@telus.net> Message-ID: <005c01c52707$39868a20$aad7f504@x8h7l9> Try http://www.asecc.com/ Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rupert Wenig" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:02 PM Subject: Antique Small Engine site url: was Re: [SEL] Carb help wanted > Hello Jeff, > May I get the url for the Antique Small Engine site? I'd like to see > what it is about. Thanks in advance. > > Rupert > > Jeff Allen wrote: > > > > > Already sent him to the Antique Small Engine site, so no need to > > duplicate that. > > > > Jeff Allen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Mar 12 05:39:35 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:39:35 EST Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/2005 3:29:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: << PS, I still think the List should censure Curt for making patterns of things that Ed sells to put food on his children's table! >> Dave, How about the money Curt is saving to feed his poor wife and children?? Need to look at both sides before any censure is considered!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Mar 12 05:42:39 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:42:39 EST Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ Message-ID: <158.4c712401.2f644bcf@aol.com> In a message dated 3/11/2005 6:12:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: << With Ken's parts, they become running engines that otherwise would have been "lost forever." >> Arnie, True, but with Curt's expertise in making patterns, we could have Ken's engines and all the others saved without parting them out! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From welshans2 at comcast.net Sat Mar 12 06:27:37 2005 From: welshans2 at comcast.net (Terry & Carolyn Welshans) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:27:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Will County Threshermen Show in Illinois References: <200503121100.j2CB07uI020043@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <000401c5270f$a4283ba0$6400a8c0@tractor> Many of the list members in the Midwest have brought engines and other displays to our show in the past years. It is for that reason I am sending this to the list. If you have no interest in our show, then please ignore this message. Last year we moved the show from Burn's Woods, near Deselm, Illinois to the Dollinger Farm south of Minooka, Illinois. At that time we were required by the land owner to guarantee that all persons exhibiting equipment at the show (tractor, engine, car, or implement) prove that they were insured for liability, or be a member of our Association, where they would be covered by our policy. To accomplish that, we had three ways an exhibitor could satisfy the land owner's demand. Anyone can bring and exhibit any equipment for display at no cost, as long as they do one of the following: 1) Join our Association at a cost of $10 per year, including a monthly newsletter and all other Association events and benefits. or 2) Join our Association for the duration of the show for $5, with no newsletter or other Association events or benefits. or 3) Sign a waiver releasing the Association and the land owner from any and all liability. Many exhibitors from previous years took this to mean that they had to pay to exhibit at our show, and started rumors to that effect at every show they where they exhibited. This rumor was spreading this year in Florida at the Flywheeler's show, and several of our members who were there made comments about this at our March meeting. This has caused a lot of discussion in our Association, and that has resulted in a revision to our exhibitor policy, and a request for all concerned to spread the word about our exhibitor policy as widely as we can. Here is our current exhibitor policy: Anyone can bring and exhibit any equipment for display at no cost, as long as they do one of the following: 1) Join our Association at a cost of $10 per year, including a monthly newsletter and all other Association events and benefits or 2) Sign a waiver releasing the Association and the land owner from any and all liability. As you can see, we do not charge admission to exhibitors nor require them to join. In fact, we did not require an exhibitor to join last year, but some folks took our policy to mean that. We want to make it clear that the rumor about our Association charging exhibitors was totally false then, as it is now. Please consider this in July when we put on our 43rd Threshing Reunion and Antique Tractor show. The dates are July 21st through 24th. For more information about our show including maps and driving directions pleas take a look at our web site: www.steamshow.org If anyone wants to ask a question or make a comment, I am all ears, as we are trying to make our show larger and better, so suggestions are always welcome. Regards, Terry Welshans Secretary, Will County Threshermen "Always do right- this will gratify some and astonish the rest. " Mark Twain (1835-1910) www.midwestoilburners.org www.fokisd.org www.terrystoy.com From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Mar 12 06:27:08 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:27:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ References: Message-ID: <015e01c5270f$92cc4360$9235ef18@pengy> Then you have to consider the money the poor foundryman is making by pouring those castings! :-) Certainly he has bills to pay and engines to feed. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ > In a message dated 3/12/2005 3:29:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, > rotigel at alltel.net writes: > > << PS, I still think the List should censure Curt for making patterns of > things that Ed sells to put food on his children's table! >> > > > Dave, > > How about the money Curt is saving to feed his poor wife and children?? > Need > to look at both sides before any censure is considered!! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 12 06:50:14 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:50:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ In-Reply-To: <158.4c712401.2f644bcf@aol.com> References: <158.4c712401.2f644bcf@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, Some folks do that; restore engines with new or repro parts. Some engines would also be way too expensive to restore that way unless you took on the project as a silly money "personal challange." Some of us also try really hard to use "original" parts in our restorations. And, for the most part, "original" parts are gonna come from just one place. That place is an old engine that was taken to bits and the parts sold to folks doing restorations. Don't get me wrong, I'm not an ultra-purist. I think once a piston is in the engine and has run for a bit, most folks wouldn't be able to tell. But the owner would know that it was a repro and not an original. And that owner might care about that subtle difference. I think you'll agree that an engine that is "all original" sells for more than one that has a new crank, new flywheels, new rod, new piston, new fuel tank, new cooling tank, new paint & decals, etc. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > > << With Ken's parts, they become running engines that otherwise > would have been "lost forever." >> > > True, but with Curt's expertise in making patterns, we could have Ken's > engines and all the others saved without parting them out! > > Tom Schmutz From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 12 07:00:42 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:00:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050311220847.02689ec0@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050311220847.02689ec0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Dave, On Fri, 11 Mar 2005, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Like Ed at Hit and Miss, Ken is in business to make money--NOT to > "help" our hobby. There is simply more money in parts than there is in > "whole" engines! Having bought parts from both Ed and Ken I know only too well how much money there is in parts!!! And in all cases I was happy to pay because I had been looking for years for the parts I needed. When you finally find 'em, the price really isn't as important as it is in "commodity" items that you can shop around for. As Ken said when I tried to "negotiate" on the price (he did come down some), "there just aren't that many of these around; especially not in this condition." He was right. He knew it. I knew it. I paid it. And I was damn happy to be dragging my find back to the area. See ya, Arnie PS - One practice of some sellers in the hobby is to remove the mag and bracket from a running engine and cobble up a buzz coil rig to run it and sell both in separate transactions. The seller makes a bit more that way, but that practice does a real disservice to the hobby IMHO. Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Mar 12 07:13:34 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:13:34 EST Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ Message-ID: <1c3.242f53b3.2f64611e@aol.com> In a message dated 3/12/2005 10:08:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: << I think you'll agree that an engine that is "all original" sells for more than one that has a new crank, new flywheels, new rod, new piston, new fuel tank, new cooling tank, new paint & decals, etc. >> Arnie, That is why I quit painting mine!!!! HA! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Mar 12 07:55:05 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:55:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine in NZ revisited References: <3m+nSU0WeqMCFw3K@lnc025.dial.nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: To me it looks boatish. I say this cause he had to prop it up to get it level. Isn't there a website that just deals in boat motors? RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Scales" To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 1:25 AM Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine in NZ revisited > Further to my earlier message, Gordon Banfield has sent me four more > pictures of an engine that he can't identify. I still can't help. It > can be seen at: > > http://www.petesextension.com/Gordon/ > > Anyone have any ideas? > > Regards > > Pete > -- > Peter Scales > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Sat Mar 12 08:58:07 2005 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:58:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. References: <158.4c712401.2f644bcf@aol.com> Message-ID: <003a01c52725$708ba3c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> has anyone tried casting any parts in aluminum? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ > In a message dated 3/11/2005 6:12:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, > fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > > << With Ken's parts, they become running engines that otherwise > would have been "lost forever." >> > > Arnie, > > True, but with Curt's expertise in making patterns, we could have Ken's > engines and all the others saved without parting them out! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rwenig at telus.net Sat Mar 12 09:06:59 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:06:59 -0700 Subject: Antique Small Engine site url: was Re: [SEL] Carb help wanted In-Reply-To: <005c01c52707$39868a20$aad7f504@x8h7l9> References: <42323EE9.30803@earthlink.net> <42325BBF.30207@telus.net> <005c01c52707$39868a20$aad7f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <423321B3.4020102@telus.net> Thanks. ED wrote: > Try http://www.asecc.com/ > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Mar 12 09:34:28 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:34:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] How we gonna cool it?? Message-ID: Well 3" of snow on the ground and still comin'. Yup Montana has two seasons, Winter and July. So will cyberbox up. Ya'll know we got this nice Universal Genset the other day: http://community.webshots.com/album/291395326wWDmvi In it's working days it was cooled by an open in/out circuit, connected to a mountain stream..no recirc. btw, no evidence of a thermostat either:-(. It does have a belt driven pump. Lookin' for suggestions on a recirc system. We don't want a radiator/w fan..altho they did make one like that. I don't think tank cooled would work, screen cooled maybe. We do plan to loading it down, somehow. And here's another thing I've never seen. Apparently the PO replaced the commutator brushes but it appears he cut off the braided copper lead. Just the brush sitting in the holder(s) with the spring. I don't like this as any resistance there might cause the spring to heat up and lose tension. What do you sparkies think of that?? Thanks gang and of course, Spence "Now where'd I put that plow"????aaarrghhhhhhhhh RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Mar 12 09:39:40 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:39:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me References: <42321AD2.6060207@fidnet.com> Message-ID: Gary, there sure isn't, just what looks like a Wico. We will pursue this engine as soon as the snow leaves? 'preciate the come back RickinMt. Is there any sign of a mounting for > a battery box on the offside? > > Gary From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 12 09:56:25 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:56:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. In-Reply-To: <003a01c52725$708ba3c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> References: <158.4c712401.2f644bcf@aol.com> <003a01c52725$708ba3c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: Tom, Contact Joe Prindle at the Badger Steam and Gas club. They have cast a lot of aluminum engine parts (muffler pieces, crank guards, etc.). He's not on list right now, but I copied him on this reply. I don't know which of those email addresses is better. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sat, 12 Mar 2005, Tom Dunlap wrote: > has anyone tried casting any parts in aluminum? From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Mar 12 09:51:14 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:51:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me now F-M pump References: <20050311220005.71718.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Steve; you've got a picture of Bill's F-M "Typoon" pump. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/Waucunda2000/bill_s%20fairbanks%20pump.jpg We have Cork's all blasted now, but need replacement push/pull castings on the pump. They have "Fairbanks-Morse" cast in them. Who is Bill and hopefully he can measure it up for us? Any idea what size he's got? Thanks pard..you do nice work!! RickinMt. From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Mar 12 10:08:32 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:08:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lady w/ Magnetos (& Engines) For Sale Message-ID: <0223f4a6c12442ec87e15e447c492f93@chartertn.net> Got this info from a nice widowed lady who contacted me off list: ************ George has several magnitos.? Some are for tractors and some for gas engines.? The one I am reffering to is an EK Wico mag., hit and miss,looks good on the out side but Dave doesn't know if works.? Dave has been and is a close family friend and he has been helping me sell George;s gas engines.? He had a beautiful Twelve Mule Team.? I just love the sound of a hit and miss engine.? I could probably go to seep by it.? I'm asking $100.00? for the mag plus postage. ************* If interested, contact her at: thrasherman1926 at yahoo.com Her name's Harriette. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Mar 12 11:44:00 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:44:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. Message-ID: <20050312.114400.1356.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Do it all the time. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:58:07 -0600 "Tom Dunlap" writes: > has anyone tried casting any parts in aluminum? From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 12 12:50:08 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:50:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Collectors Are Nuts Message-ID: That's more money than most folks spend on an engine!! Awesome Antique Gas Engine Spark Plug W/Odd Tin Can http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6516380678 See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Mar 12 13:23:54 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:23:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Collectors Are Nuts References: Message-ID: WHEW!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 1:50 PM Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Collectors Are Nuts > That's more money than most folks spend on an engine!! > > Awesome Antique Gas Engine Spark Plug W/Odd Tin Can > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6516380678 > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Mar 12 13:28:17 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:28:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. References: <158.4c712401.2f644bcf@aol.com> <003a01c52725$708ba3c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <006f01c5274b$2366d760$0301a8c0@Reg> ONCE!! Total disaster and made me realise that it was not something you 'just did!' Its a whole new ball game and I aint got the time. I leave it to those who know about it. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 3:58 AM Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. > has anyone tried casting any parts in aluminum? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:42 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ > > > > In a message dated 3/11/2005 6:12:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > > > > << With Ken's parts, they become running engines that otherwise > > would have been "lost forever." >> > > > > Arnie, > > > > True, but with Curt's expertise in making patterns, we could have Ken's > > engines and all the others saved without parting them out! > > > > Tom Schmutz > > Concord, Va. USA > > Germoamer at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 12 09:32:58 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:32:58 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Universal GenSet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f60251605031209324876fec4@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:24:36 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > Appreciate the info, Mike. I see where they have some old literature on > Universal Engines and GenSets. Course the cyberbox locks up when I crank up > the .pdf files so will get Cork to do it. > > I now believe ours is a "D" model as the serial number is D1844. You might > find this 4 page site interesting as we did: > > http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Atomic_4_Eng_Service/History_of_the_Universal_Motor_Company_1.html#top > > I hope that url doesn't wrap, if so I'll do an abbriviated version. > > Re: the Dixie mag, I going to assume it's impulse as Peters chart shows > the Dixie 46 has a 35 degree impulse lag. Once again I'll assume that the > 35 degrees is the amount of turn that the spring winds up before it > trips/impulses. Kinda like a Webster. This one doesn't impulse or at least > I can't hear it, so I'll tinker with it a little and re-charge the > magnet(s). > > Does anyone know which position of the advance/retard lever is retard...up > or down? Don't need any excitement regarding that proceedure:-) > > All in all a very nice engine with definite learning capabilities. The > mag, carb, gov, dynamo, water pump are just a few. > > I've uploaded a few more pictures to my webshots album: > > http://community.webshots.com/album/291395326wWDmvi > > Thanks again, Mike and all > > RickinMt. I had a bit of time to check on the other magneto service books, in particular the Eisemann Magneto service book. This has a printing date of 1931 if I have interpreted the printing codes correctly, and gives replacement/original magneto fitting. Under Universal, they list the equivalent as either AM-4, AM-6 or AM2H for the various universal engine types. Mounting for all types is 45mm base mount Fixed spark (no variation possible on the Eisemann model (The Dixie did have variable spark timing) Lag angle varies between 15, 25 and 35 degrees Lug angle (presume this refers to the coupling?) is 5 degrees MORE than the lag angle. Bendix have no information on Universal Engines in my service books Wico have the XH series listed in various spec's as a replacement magneto. We have two sets of Wico books, one is when they were owned by Globe-Union, and a later one when Prestolite owned them. The earlier book only has anything for the Universal engine. Nowhere have I come across the D1844 engine designation, or a D designation of any kind. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 12 11:14:22 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:14:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Kohler information Message-ID: <6f602516050312111453f2735b@mail.gmail.com> I had a look though the book pile while chasing some magneto information for Rick, and find that we have the following Kohler information: Kohler 1M21 & 1A21 (Manual and Auto) Army TM5-5371 Publication 1952 Radiator over the generator style of genny set. (I think Jim Dunmyer's genny is this type) Kohler 1.75MM to 5MM Air-cooled Kohler & B&S Engines Kohler 3.5A21 to 5A21 3.5kVA to 5kVA water-cooled Kohler L600 engine in all models. Radiator is in front of the engine on this style of genny. The middle book gives a part number breakdown which might be useful: First digits are the output power 1.75 = 1.75kVA Next Letters M = Manual Starting B = Briggs & Stratton engine C = 12V Electric Start for -HS (Home Start) models F = 50Hz operation M = Air cooled engine Second-last digit: 2 = 120V 1 phase 2 wire 4 = 240V 1 phase 2-wire 6 = 120/240V 1 phase 3-wire Last digit: 5 = Gas fuelled portable set. Thus 3.5MFM65 = 3.5kVA Manual Start 50Hz Operational Frequency Air-cooled Kohler Engine 120C 1-phase 3-wire Gas fuel Hope this is of some help to folks. All the books are originals BTW... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Mar 12 15:11:56 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:11:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. References: <158.4c712401.2f644bcf@aol.com> <003a01c52725$708ba3c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <018e01c52758$e2cf7820$9235ef18@pengy> Yes. We cast aluminum from time to time. What would you like to know? Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works 100 South Bridge Street Bldg. F Struthers, OH 44471 http://www.todengine.org/engineworks.html 330-728-2799 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. > has anyone tried casting any parts in aluminum? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:42 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ > > >> In a message dated 3/11/2005 6:12:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> fero_ah at city-net.com writes: >> >> << With Ken's parts, they become running engines that otherwise >> would have been "lost forever." >> >> >> Arnie, >> >> True, but with Curt's expertise in making patterns, we could have Ken's >> engines and all the others saved without parting them out! >> >> Tom Schmutz >> Concord, Va. USA >> Germoamer at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 12 01:54:31 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:54:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050311220847.02689ec0@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050311220847.02689ec0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f602516050312015449d4da98@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:13:21 -0500, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Arnie, > Like Ed at Hit and Miss, Ken is in business to make money--NOT to > "help" our hobby. There is simply more money in parts than there is in > "whole" engines! > Dave > PS, I still think the List should censure Curt for making patterns of > things that Ed sells to put food on his children's table! How was the FL show, Dave? Haven't seen anything from you on the trip or the show, could we have some words and possibly pictures? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Mar 12 15:25:07 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:25:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 10KW ONAN Genset Needs to Go to a New Home References: <158.4c712401.2f644bcf@aol.com> <003a01c52725$708ba3c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <01bf01c5275a$ba677750$9235ef18@pengy> I have an old WWII era ONAN 10kw genset. It has a 4 cylinder gas engine which is not frozen. The sheet metal is fairly mashed up but all of the core components are pretty much intact. I don't have room for it anymore and have no intention of rebuilding it so if anyone wants it let me know. Its worth about $100 in scrap so I'll give it to anyone who gives a $100 charitable contribution to the Tod Engine Foundation. I don't particularly want to scrap it. Here is a pic of it: http://community.webshots.com/photo/204389845/284060200TbsAUL Its inside a building with a crane so loading it out will not be a problem. Thanks Rick Rowlands Youngstown, OH From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Mar 12 15:38:28 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:38:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Collectors Are Nuts References: Message-ID: <01f101c5275c$979ab460$9235ef18@pengy> Just think what you would have if you had a V8 with these plugs in it! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:50 PM Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Collectors Are Nuts > That's more money than most folks spend on an engine!! > > Awesome Antique Gas Engine Spark Plug W/Odd Tin Can > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6516380678 > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Sat Mar 12 16:02:25 2005 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:02:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. References: <158.4c712401.2f644bcf@aol.com> <003a01c52725$708ba3c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> <018e01c52758$e2cf7820$9235ef18@pengy> Message-ID: <000d01c5275f$f0abe260$7081a018@satx.rr.com> I was wondering if its feasible to cast aluminum parts yourself at home. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. > Yes. We cast aluminum from time to time. What would you like to know? > > Rick Rowlands > Tod Engine Works > 100 South Bridge Street Bldg. F > Struthers, OH 44471 > http://www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > 330-728-2799 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Dunlap" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 11:58 AM > Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. > > > > has anyone tried casting any parts in aluminum? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ > > > > > >> In a message dated 3/11/2005 6:12:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >> fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > >> > >> << With Ken's parts, they become running engines that otherwise > >> would have been "lost forever." >> > >> > >> Arnie, > >> > >> True, but with Curt's expertise in making patterns, we could have Ken's > >> engines and all the others saved without parting them out! > >> > >> Tom Schmutz > >> Concord, Va. USA > >> Germoamer at aol.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Sat Mar 12 16:37:55 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:37:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] {sel]An old engine,butstill ot References: Message-ID: <002801c52764$e6bd36a0$9d601f40@ibm22761389857> Wauseon is June 23-26 this year Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hunter" To: Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 06:12 Subject: [SEL] {sel]An old engine,butstill ot Well, then we have already unofficially met! I watched you work your magic at BG! . You made it look real easy!!I,m sure that it gets darn,d hot in that building as the day goes on. It's great that you are displaying your trade like that as I and many many others I,m sure really enjoy seeing how it's done. We made Findlay,Portland, and Wyandot County Fair last year. Hope to go more this year! I hear Wausean is cool show. When is that? Jim Hunter _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gwaugh at wowway.com Sat Mar 12 17:00:12 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:00:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT--Old camera info question In-Reply-To: <000d01c5275f$f0abe260$7081a018@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200503130059.j2D0xlw18316@pop-2.dnv.wideopenwest.com> A couple years ago, someone on either ATIS or SEL offered to help me value a couple old cameras I got from my folks---if you are out there, and the offer still stands, could you contact me at: gwaugh at wowway.com Thanks, Gene From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Mar 12 17:20:24 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:20:24 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. Message-ID: <20050312.172025.1356.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Tom. Anything is possible. We have poured aluminum while camping in the desert. Melted aluminum cans in a coffee can over an open fire. Poured the aluminum in a mold we made in the sand. You can make an electric furnace out of insulating fire bricks, and for the heating element use the wire out of an electric oven. My first years of teaching the metal shop teacher had a furnace like that. Pulled the heating wire out of old electric ovens. Rewound it around a 3/8" wooden dowel in a lathe, cut a serpentine groove in the fire brick with a router. Tuck the wire in the groove and hold in place with short pieces of wire pressed into the fire brick. Adjusted the length to work on 110v, and plugged it into the wall. At first he melted in a cast iron fry pan, but if you don't watch the temperature the pan will sag. Probably the best sand to use for the beginner is Petrobond, an oil based sand. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:02:25 -0600 "Tom Dunlap" writes: > I was wondering if its feasible to cast aluminum parts yourself at > home. From driggars at earthlink.net Sat Mar 12 18:24:18 2005 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:24:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. References: <158.4c712401.2f644bcf@aol.com><003a01c52725$708ba3c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com><018e01c52758$e2cf7820$9235ef18@pengy> <000d01c5275f$f0abe260$7081a018@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <01f601c52773$c2db4740$e9428304@clinton> tom I cast with aluminum, brass,, zinc all the time. here is my casting group if you would like to join www.groups.yahoo.com/group/castinghobby Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. > I was wondering if its feasible to cast aluminum parts yourself at home. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tod Engine" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 5:11 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. > > > > Yes. We cast aluminum from time to time. What would you like to know? > > > > Rick Rowlands > > Tod Engine Works > > 100 South Bridge Street Bldg. F > > Struthers, OH 44471 > > http://www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > > 330-728-2799 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tom Dunlap" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 11:58 AM > > Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. > > > > > > > has anyone tried casting any parts in aluminum? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:42 AM > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ > > > > > > > > >> In a message dated 3/11/2005 6:12:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > >> fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > > >> > > >> << With Ken's parts, they become running engines that otherwise > > >> would have been "lost forever." >> > > >> > > >> Arnie, > > >> > > >> True, but with Curt's expertise in making patterns, we could have Ken's > > >> engines and all the others saved without parting them out! > > >> > > >> Tom Schmutz > > >> Concord, Va. USA > > >> Germoamer at aol.com > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> SEL mailing list > > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sat Mar 12 21:01:02 2005 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 23:01:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. In-Reply-To: <003a01c52725$708ba3c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> References: <158.4c712401.2f644bcf@aol.com> <003a01c52725$708ba3c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050312225942.02002190@mail.herculesengines.com> We've been doing some casting in aluminum. Take a look at our web page to see how we do it. http://www.herculesengines.com/Foundry/index.htm Keith From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Mar 12 21:02:05 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:02:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Collectors Are Nuts References: <01f101c5275c$979ab460$9235ef18@pengy> Message-ID: <006401c5278b$f3bfd520$0301a8c0@Reg> House morgage?? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Spark Plug Collectors Are Nuts > Just think what you would have if you had a V8 with these plugs in it! > > Rick From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Mar 12 21:06:49 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:06:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. References: <158.4c712401.2f644bcf@aol.com><003a01c52725$708ba3c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com><018e01c52758$e2cf7820$9235ef18@pengy> <000d01c5275f$f0abe260$7081a018@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <006701c5278b$f4fd3720$0301a8c0@Reg> Tom, most of the members of this list do the impossible 'at home' VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. > I was wondering if its feasible to cast aluminum parts yourself at home. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tod Engine" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 5:11 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. > > > > Yes. We cast aluminum from time to time. What would you like to know? > > > > Rick Rowlands > > Tod Engine Works > > 100 South Bridge Street Bldg. F > > Struthers, OH 44471 > > http://www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > > 330-728-2799 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tom Dunlap" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 11:58 AM > > Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. > > > > > > > has anyone tried casting any parts in aluminum? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:42 AM > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ > > > > > > > > >> In a message dated 3/11/2005 6:12:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > >> fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > > >> > > >> << With Ken's parts, they become running engines that otherwise > > >> would have been "lost forever." >> > > >> > > >> Arnie, > > >> > > >> True, but with Curt's expertise in making patterns, we could have Ken's > > >> engines and all the others saved without parting them out! > > >> > > >> Tom Schmutz > > >> Concord, Va. USA > > >> Germoamer at aol.com > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> SEL mailing list > > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Mar 12 21:34:44 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:34:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Will County Threshermen Show in Illinois References: <200503121100.j2CB07uI020043@heavyiron.atis.net> <000401c5270f$a4283ba0$6400a8c0@tractor> Message-ID: <00af01c5278e$efdb67a0$0301a8c0@Reg> I sure wish we could do that disclaimer thing here! Sadly, the lawyers and their cohorts have closed off that line of approach. Even if I put up a notice stating that this was the case, It has already been reviewed by the 'law' and found to be a waste of paper. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry & Carolyn Welshans" To: Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:27 AM Subject: [SEL] Will County Threshermen Show in Illinois > Many of the list members in the Midwest have brought engines and other > displays to our show in the past years. It is for that reason I am sending > this to the list. If you have no interest in our show, then please ignore > this message. > > Last year we moved the show from Burn's Woods, near Deselm, Illinois to the > Dollinger Farm south of Minooka, Illinois. At that time we were required by > the land owner to guarantee that all persons exhibiting equipment at the > show (tractor, engine, car, or implement) prove that they were insured for > liability, or be a member of our Association, where they would be covered by > our policy. To accomplish that, we had three ways an exhibitor could > satisfy the land owner's demand. > > Anyone can bring and exhibit any equipment for display at no cost, as long > as they do one of the following: > > 1) Join our Association at a cost of $10 per year, including a monthly > newsletter and all other Association events and benefits. > > or > > 2) Join our Association for the duration of the show for $5, with no > newsletter or other Association events or benefits. > > or > > 3) Sign a waiver releasing the Association and the land owner from any and > all liability. > > Many exhibitors from previous years took this to mean that they had to pay > to exhibit at our show, and started rumors to that effect at every show they > where they exhibited. This rumor was spreading this year in Florida at the > Flywheeler's show, and several of our members who were there made comments > about this at our March meeting. > > This has caused a lot of discussion in our Association, and that has > resulted in a revision to our exhibitor policy, and a request for all > concerned to spread the word about our exhibitor policy as widely as we can. > Here is our current exhibitor policy: > > Anyone can bring and exhibit any equipment for display at no cost, as long > as they do one of the following: > > 1) Join our Association at a cost of $10 per year, including a monthly > newsletter and all other Association events and benefits > > or > > 2) Sign a waiver releasing the Association and the land owner from any and > all liability. > > As you can see, we do not charge admission to exhibitors nor require them to > join. In fact, we did not require an exhibitor to join last year, but some > folks took our policy to mean that. We want to make it clear that the rumor > about our Association charging exhibitors was totally false then, as it is > now. > > Please consider this in July when we put on our 43rd Threshing Reunion and > Antique Tractor show. The dates are July 21st through 24th. For more > information about our show including maps and driving directions pleas take > a look at our web site: > > www.steamshow.org > > If anyone wants to ask a question or make a comment, I am all ears, as we > are trying to make our show larger and better, so suggestions are always > welcome. > > Regards, > > Terry Welshans > Secretary, Will County Threshermen > > "Always do right- this will gratify some and astonish the rest. " > Mark Twain (1835-1910) > > www.midwestoilburners.org > www.fokisd.org > www.terrystoy.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Sun Mar 13 00:00:10 2005 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 03:00:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. In-Reply-To: <003a01c52725$708ba3c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, I've cast mufflers, some misc parts for some oil burners, and i've even cast some new gears for my lathe and they worked out just fine, and also name plates... aluminum is a pretty usefull material... >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Sat, 12 Mar 2005, Tom Dunlap wrote: > has anyone tried casting any parts in aluminum? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:42 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ > > > > In a message dated 3/11/2005 6:12:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > > > > << With Ken's parts, they become running engines that otherwise > > would have been "lost forever." >> > > > > Arnie, > > > > True, but with Curt's expertise in making patterns, we could have Ken's > > engines and all the others saved without parting them out! > > > > Tom Schmutz > > Concord, Va. USA > > Germoamer at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Sun Mar 13 12:31:25 2005 From: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:31:25 Subject: [SEL] re: massey Harris Logo Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050313123125.009cc1f0@127.0.0.1> Message: 3 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:29:20 +0100 Hi John Thanks for pointing it out - my "webpage writing" is a bit rusty and I forgot to check it out - also I'm not using my usual software for this but it's fixed now. Thanks again Jerry Evans From: "John Hammink" Subject: Re: [SEL] re: massey Harris Logo Hi Jerry, you made the same mistake as a few days ago. The file address is from your HD. Be calm :o) John H. > Hi all > Thanks for the help. Look here for the result - comments welcome. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/mh.htm > Best regards --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Mar 13 02:51:33 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:51:33 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine in NZ revisited References: <3m+nSU0WeqMCFw3K@lnc025.dial.nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <000701c527ba$a38a7e50$25d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> I can't see a prop shaft connection but try http://www.oldmarineengine.com/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery engine in NZ revisited > To me it looks boatish. I say this cause he had to prop it up to get it > level. Isn't there a website that just deals in boat motors? > > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Scales" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 1:25 AM > Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine in NZ revisited > > >> Further to my earlier message, Gordon Banfield has sent me four more >> pictures of an engine that he can't identify. I still can't help. It >> can be seen at: >> >> http://www.petesextension.com/Gordon/ >> >> Anyone have any ideas? >> >> Regards >> >> Pete >> -- >> Peter Scales >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Mar 13 03:19:12 2005 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:19:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Eagles have Landed, somewhat OT In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050309203600.00b3b7d0@mail.ncable.com.au> References: <001c01c52460$2be649e0$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> <010401c52424$4c5b6d90$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <1110331732.422e515419cdb@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050313215029.00b1f860@mail.ncable.com.au> Hi all from the Holland's in Mildura. We are at Russell Gilbert's with many beers and bottles of wine from the Naracoorte region behind us. We've all got full bellies as Russell cooked a gourmet meal for us all. That bloke can cook! The wine has apparently impaired the better judgement of both Kerry and Russell as at the moment they have dropped their shorts and hopped in the hot tub together. The rest of us couldn't bear the prospects of what might be happening in the dark up there in the hot tub and retreated to the viranda. They keep hollaring some shit about "true Ozzies", whatever that implies. Their wives are drowning their sorrow at the moment. Gotta tell you I shit when I read about the unbelievable deals to be had at the 8 day sale at some engine collector's in NC. THEN I read a little closer only to find out that was my shit being sold off. Yeah thank heaps Larry Sain and Oyster brothers. I owe you blokes big. Seeing as I have nothing left in the engine sheds at home I might as well buy some engines to send home. doG these blokes have some fine engines! There are Crossley's, Tangey's, Hornsby's, Blackstone's as common as Maytag's here. The big surprise at the National was the number of Hercules model S horse and a halfs. Jotted down all the s/n's for you Glenn. Thanks to wonderful host and tour guides Kerry and Ruth we have seen some unbelievable private collections. The girder frame Hornsby Ackroyds are by far the most stunning of engines. Well it is time to wrap this email up as I have emptied this beer and it is time for another. It's 10:30 pm on a Sunday night and we've been in the sauce since early afternoon. It was over a 100?F today and the beer did go down good! Good night all. Curt & Missy Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sun Mar 13 06:09:23 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:09:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If Curt, his wife, and children stay in OZ much longer, poor Curt will be casting reproductions for all of his former engines! I understand from a reliable source that the Cloistered Oyster Brothers were out yesterday collecting "Engine Parts" . On the other hand , he now has lots of room in his shed for all those bulky patterns and boards things. anonymous oyster >From: Germoamer at aol.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ >Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:39:35 EST > >In a message dated 3/12/2005 3:29:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, >rotigel at alltel.net writes: > ><< PS, I still think the List should censure Curt for making patterns of > things that Ed sells to put food on his children's table! >> > > >Dave, > >How about the money Curt is saving to feed his poor wife and children?? >Need >to look at both sides before any censure is considered!! > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. USA >Germoamer at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 13 06:21:08 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:21:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Will County Threshermen Show in Illinois In-Reply-To: <00af01c5278e$efdb67a0$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <200503121100.j2CB07uI020043@heavyiron.atis.net> <000401c5270f$a4283ba0$6400a8c0@tractor> <00af01c5278e$efdb67a0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050313092023.0e82bc58@mail.alltel.net> The same thing is true in the USA Reg--NOT worth the paper it's written on! Dave At 12:34 AM 3/13/2005, you wrote: >I sure wish we could do that disclaimer thing here! >Sadly, the lawyers and their cohorts have closed off that line of approach. >Even if I put up a notice stating that this was the case, It has already >been reviewed by the 'law' and found to be a waste of paper. >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Terry & Carolyn Welshans" >To: >Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:27 AM >Subject: [SEL] Will County Threshermen Show in Illinois > > > > Many of the list members in the Midwest have brought engines and other > > displays to our show in the past years. It is for that reason I am >sending > > this to the list. If you have no interest in our show, then please ignore > > this message. > > > > Last year we moved the show from Burn's Woods, near Deselm, Illinois to >the > > Dollinger Farm south of Minooka, Illinois. At that time we were required >by > > the land owner to guarantee that all persons exhibiting equipment at the > > show (tractor, engine, car, or implement) prove that they were insured for > > liability, or be a member of our Association, where they would be covered >by > > our policy. To accomplish that, we had three ways an exhibitor could > > satisfy the land owner's demand. > > > > Anyone can bring and exhibit any equipment for display at no cost, as long > > as they do one of the following: > > > > 1) Join our Association at a cost of $10 per year, including a monthly > > newsletter and all other Association events and benefits. > > > > or > > > > 2) Join our Association for the duration of the show for $5, with no > > newsletter or other Association events or benefits. > > > > or > > > > 3) Sign a waiver releasing the Association and the land owner from any >and > > all liability. > > > > Many exhibitors from previous years took this to mean that they had to pay > > to exhibit at our show, and started rumors to that effect at every show >they > > where they exhibited. This rumor was spreading this year in Florida at >the > > Flywheeler's show, and several of our members who were there made comments > > about this at our March meeting. > > > > This has caused a lot of discussion in our Association, and that has > > resulted in a revision to our exhibitor policy, and a request for all > > concerned to spread the word about our exhibitor policy as widely as we >can. > > Here is our current exhibitor policy: > > > > Anyone can bring and exhibit any equipment for display at no cost, as long > > as they do one of the following: > > > > 1) Join our Association at a cost of $10 per year, including a monthly > > newsletter and all other Association events and benefits > > > > or > > > > 2) Sign a waiver releasing the Association and the land owner from any and > > all liability. > > > > As you can see, we do not charge admission to exhibitors nor require them >to > > join. In fact, we did not require an exhibitor to join last year, but >some > > folks took our policy to mean that. We want to make it clear that the >rumor > > about our Association charging exhibitors was totally false then, as it is > > now. > > > > Please consider this in July when we put on our 43rd Threshing Reunion and > > Antique Tractor show. The dates are July 21st through 24th. For more > > information about our show including maps and driving directions pleas >take > > a look at our web site: > > > > www.steamshow.org > > > > If anyone wants to ask a question or make a comment, I am all ears, as we > > are trying to make our show larger and better, so suggestions are always > > welcome. > > > > Regards, > > > > Terry Welshans > > Secretary, Will County Threshermen > > > > "Always do right- this will gratify some and astonish the rest. " > > Mark Twain (1835-1910) > > > > www.midwestoilburners.org > > www.fokisd.org > > www.terrystoy.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Mar 13 06:35:50 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:35:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Old Universal GenSet Message-ID: Howdy all; For those of you who have Universals. the below is a chat I'm having with Robert Hess who apparently built the Universal Engine website. His email is below parts at atomicfourengineservice.ca. I'd start at the bottom in order to make heads or tails of this chat. Hope it helps RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Hess" To: "Richard Strobel" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:09 AM Subject: Re: Old Universal GenSet > We don't know what model it is...maybe you could help us out there. And > it's a D.C. Generator....with no idea how to hook it up or excite it. > 250VDC @ 16 amps. I can't be sure what model it is.... but the fact that it's got a DC generator means it's probably very old, because according to my information they switched to AC generators in 1924. On my web site I called it a Model K, but I'm not really sure what model it is. 250 volts @ 16 amps means it's a 4 KW generator (250 X 16), and my information doesn't mention that size. I suggest you try contacting www.oldmarineengine.com for more information on both the engine and the generator. Robert Hess Atomic Four Engine Service Ltd 5017 Mariner Place Delta, BC, V4K 4J4, Canada parts at atomicfourengineservice.ca (604) 868-6646 (best time to reach us on weekdays is after 4:30 Pacific time) www.atomicfourengineservice.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Strobel To: Robert Hess Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:17 AM Subject: Re: Old Universal GenSet Thanks for the reply Robert and glad you enjoyed the pictures. She is a dandy. We don't know what model it is...maybe you could help us out there. And it's a D.C. Generator....with no idea how to hook it up or excite it. 250VDC @ 16 amps. Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Hess To: Richard Strobel Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 8:40 PM Subject: Re: Old Universal GenSet Beautiful... thanks for the great photos. Is it a model K? Does it have an AC or a DC generator? Robert Hess Atomic Four Engine Service Ltd 5017 Mariner Place Delta, BC, V4K 4J4, Canada parts at atomicfourengineservice.ca (604) 868-6646 (best time to reach us on weekdays is after 4:30 Pacific time) www.atomicfourengineservice.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Strobel To: parts at atomicfourengineservice.ca Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 6:08 AM Subject: Old Universal GenSet Just thought ya might like to see the very nice "Barn Freshe" Universal 4 lunger GenSet my friend Corky Harris and I picked up yesterday. It was used as a backup battery charger for an old silver mine. Hope you enjoy and feel free to use any or all pictures on my Webshots. She's a real good runner and started on the fourth pull after sitting in a shop since 1950. Here's the pix's: http://community.webshots.com/album/291395326wWDmvi regards Rick Strobel East Helena, Mt. From welshans2 at comcast.net Sun Mar 13 06:39:24 2005 From: welshans2 at comcast.net (Terry & Carolyn Welshans) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:39:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Will County Threshermen Show in Illinois References: <200503131100.j2DB05bY020486@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <000601c527da$7617eb40$6400a8c0@tractor> "Reg Ingold" said: -------------- I sure wish we could do that disclaimer thing here! Sadly, the lawyers and their cohorts have closed off that line of approach. Even if I put up a notice stating that this was the case, It has already been reviewed by the 'law' and found to be a waste of paper. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold -------------- Reg, I also doubt the paper is worth anything when it comes to actually entering into a suit. The land owner requires it, and if that makes him happy, then we can put on the show. If it proves worthless, then it was a waste of time. I hope we don't need to find out about that. Terry & Carolyn Welshans Homer Glen, Illinois "Always do right- this will gratify some and astonish the rest. " Mark Twain (1835-1910) www.midwestoilburners.org www.fokisd.org www.terrystoy.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Mar 13 06:39:15 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:39:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ References: Message-ID: Sounds like if he stays there much longer he'll be making patterns and casting new livers:-)) RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ > If Curt, his wife, and children stay in OZ much longer, poor Curt will be > casting reproductions for all of his former engines! I understand from a > reliable source that the Cloistered Oyster Brothers were out yesterday > collecting "Engine Parts" . On the other hand , he now has lots of room in > his shed for all those bulky patterns and boards things. anonymous > oyster > > >From: Germoamer at aol.com > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >Subject: Re: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ > >Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:39:35 EST > > > >In a message dated 3/12/2005 3:29:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, > >rotigel at alltel.net writes: > > > ><< PS, I still think the List should censure Curt for making patterns of > > things that Ed sells to put food on his children's table! >> > > > > > >Dave, > > > >How about the money Curt is saving to feed his poor wife and children?? > >Need > >to look at both sides before any censure is considered!! > > > >Tom Schmutz > >Concord, Va. USA > >Germoamer at aol.com > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 13 07:03:47 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:03:47 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Will County Threshermen Show in Illinois In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050313092023.0e82bc58@mail.alltel.net> References: <200503121100.j2CB07uI020043@heavyiron.atis.net> <000401c5270f$a4283ba0$6400a8c0@tractor> <00af01c5278e$efdb67a0$0301a8c0@Reg> <6.1.2.0.0.20050313092023.0e82bc58@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605031307038699a1b@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:21:08 -0500, Dave Rotigel wrote: > The same thing is true in the USA Reg--NOT worth the paper it's written on! > Dave > > At 12:34 AM 3/13/2005, you wrote: > >I sure wish we could do that disclaimer thing here! > >Sadly, the lawyers and their cohorts have closed off that line of approach. > >Even if I put up a notice stating that this was the case, It has already > >been reviewed by the 'law' and found to be a waste of paper. > >Reg & Marg Ingold. Same in the UK, you cannot disclaim or waive your liability issues or rights to claim against someone. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 13 07:47:45 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:47:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Fitzhenry Guptill Co. 3 cylinder Piston Pump Message-ID: Hi Folks, This is a pretty neat looking outfit. Anyone ever heard of 'em? See ya, Arnie ---------- Forwarded message ---------- View this Item on eBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3880281021 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Fitzhenry Guptill Co. Model 6320 3 cylinder Piston Pump Fire rescue Hit and miss pump Item number: 3880281021 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Starting bid: US $1,000.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Summary This is a Fitzhenry Guptill Co. East Cambridge Ma. Model 6320 , 3 cylinder piston pump. The pump was mounted on a Model A fire truck (truck was sold). The pump is a Hit and Miss gas engine powered unit. The pump is in running condition, ready to go,  and always has been stored inside. ----------------------------------------------------------------- From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 13 08:25:55 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:25:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Eagles have Landed, somewhat OT In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050313215029.00b1f860@mail.ncable.com.au> References: <001c01c52460$2be649e0$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> <010401c52424$4c5b6d90$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <1110331732.422e515419cdb@webmail.city-net.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20050313215029.00b1f860@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Hi there Curt & Missy, Glad to hear that y'all are learning to "do it like Aussies." 8-)) You get to try those witchetty grubs yet? Also REALLY glad to hear that you're lining up a shipment of Aussie Iron to send back home. Judging from the posts to the list, those rascally Cloistered Oyster brothers have not only sold all of your engines, but stripped out all the spare parts as well. Better add a couple more engines to that container. I saw references to "MG" and "buggy" in a couple of posts that weren't supposed to go to the list. I think you'll have LOADS of room for the new toys! See ya, Arnie On Sun, 13 Mar 2005, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Hi all from the Holland's in Mildura. > Gotta tell you I shit when I read about the unbelievable deals to be had at > the 8 day sale at some engine collector's in NC. THEN I read a little > closer only to find out that was my shit being sold off. Yeah thank heaps > Larry Sain and Oyster brothers. I owe you blokes big. Seeing as I have > nothing left in the engine sheds at home I might as well buy some engines > to send home. doG these blokes have some fine engines! There are > Crossley's, Tangey's, Hornsby's, Blackstone's as common as Maytag's here. > Curt & Missy From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Mar 13 08:20:09 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:20:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fitzhenry Guptill Co. 3 cylinder Piston Pump References: Message-ID: Very kewl piece of trivia. Looks like it would clean up nicely. Never heard of them and looks like it's TG. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:47 AM Subject: [SEL] Fitzhenry Guptill Co. 3 cylinder Piston Pump > Hi Folks, > > This is a pretty neat looking outfit. Anyone ever heard of 'em? > > See ya, Arnie > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > View this Item on eBay at > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3880281021 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Fitzhenry Guptill Co. Model 6320 3 cylinder Piston Pump > Fire rescue Hit and miss pump > Item number: 3880281021 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Starting bid: US $1,000.00 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Summary > This is a Fitzhenry Guptill Co. East Cambridge Ma. Model 6320 , 3 > cylinder piston pump. The pump was mounted on a Model A fire > truck (truck was sold). The pump is a Hit and Miss gas engine powered > unit. The pump is in running condition, ready to go,  and always has > been stored inside. > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Mar 13 09:55:03 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:55:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Eagles have Landed, somewhat OT In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050313215029.00b1f860@mail.ncable.com.au> References: <001c01c52460$2be649e0$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> <010401c52424$4c5b6d90$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <1110331732.422e515419cdb@webmail.city-net.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20050313215029.00b1f860@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <02615b6d566247b23bdf2a18cdfc0cf4@chartertn.net> > They keep hollaring some shit about "true Ozzies", whatever that > implies. Arguing over who gets to be "the man down under?" John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 13 10:47:18 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:47:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant Checks In! Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050313134416.02570b90@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, Charlie just checked in and asked me to post the following to the List. Dave Dave, Would you please post the following message on the SEL for me. As soon as I get situated around here I will be asking for your help to get back on. After a week home I have just got plowed and shoveled out to get to my barns and computer in my "Hen House" pad. Have to leave for Boston tomorrow for last check up by the surgeons there. Charlie Bryant Hi everyone . I want to thank you all for your prayers, messages and cards while I was in the hospital for repairs. Especially I want to thank Paul Maples and Dave for keeping you all posted. I didn't realize I had so many friends out there in the engine world. Dr. told me I would now live to be 102 but just give me a few more healthy years. This year I plan to attend the Cool Springs,PA, Canadagua,NY and Portland, Indiana plus many other shows. I hope I can meet you all and thank you personally.. Thanks again evryone. I am a proud to be one of your group. Charlie Bryant From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Mar 13 11:19:13 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:19:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant Checks In! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050313134416.02570b90@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050313134416.02570b90@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <22a0382add2e6b6ae1e014965945452d@chartertn.net> Sure glad he's getting along well! John On Mar 13, 2005, at 1:47 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, > Charlie just checked in and asked me to post the following to the > List. > Dave John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com Sun Mar 13 17:06:05 2005 From: Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:06:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Getting back into engines. Message-ID: <005e01c52831$ffa10b60$546bcc45@yourtwa0macjqu> Dear List, Hello, I've been semi- lurking for the past year or two lately, my collection has been slowly growing, but sitting idle. I haven't had the time or ambition to work on engines lately; I guess thats what happens when a young man begins to grow up, too many distractions! Since the snow has started to part up here in NY, I figure it would be a good time to put the snowmobiles away and get out some old iron once again. Other than thatI have just been working on my family's house. I have a 6hp Worthington and a 4hp Myrick (early style) that need attention, so I think it is time I started working on my engines. One of my biggest concerns with the Worthington is paint. Particulary the pinstriping end of the spectrum. Does anyone have any tips for striping an engine? Also, I have a Novo S model (a 4hp if I recall correctly) that needs the mixer assembly. Would anyone happen to have such a mixer laying out in their shed that they would be willing to part with? I have been in search of one for 2 years now, I missed out on a mixer on eBay, and at one point I couldn't justify paying more for the mixer than what I purchased the engine for. Thanks! Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov Spencerport, NY From todengine at zoominternet.net Sun Mar 13 17:24:27 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:24:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My "New" Genset Message-ID: <00b401c52834$90d5fa80$9235ef18@pengy> Today I bought a 10kw ex military genset on ebay. I hope to pick it up this week and put it to immediate use. Since neither the Tod Engine museum site or our restoration shop has electric service this generator will be very useful. Its going to be mounted on a trailer so it can easily be moved between our two sites. I've estimated the cost between $5,000 to $8,000 to put electrical service at both properties and since we can't spare that kind of cash right now a generator has been wanted. I've been using a 4000 watt borrowed generator thus far which is good for lights but not any heavy work. Also the noise level is horrible. Here is the listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3880313866&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT Isn't it a beauty! That nice yellow paint sure makes it more visually appealing than the original olive drab green. I sure hope we get a few years of trouble free service from it. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 17:57:31 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:57:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not. In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050314015731.77137.qmail@web31311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ya Rick & Tom, And when I get her running I could pull a trailer of engines into the car display area with my 1939 Pontiac Silverstreak. She does already have a light duty trailer hitch on her bumper. I guess it would have to be a small trailer with just a couple engines on it. Alan Bowen BTW,,, The car came to me with a letter on the back seat welcoming the PO to the Traverse City Antique Car Club. It was dated in the Spring of 1964. I guess it is about time the car shows up. 8>)) --- Richard Strobel wrote: > There ya go Tom!! I was thinking the other day of doing the same thing with > our local car clubs. > > Good'un > RickinMt. > > > > > > One of my best times at shows is when I pull my engines into the local car > > cruise-ins on Saturday nights at the local mall. There might be 200-300 > > antique > > cars with big dollar paint jobs, upholstery, etc. The beautiful things > > sit > > there doing NOTHING for people to walk around and look. Meanwhile Tom's > > rusty > > junk from the early teens is going ka-boom, ka-boom! Of course most car > > lovers have never heard of a hit and miss engine, let alone heard one > > running. > > Guess who has the most people standing around their display all evening > > asking > > questions!!!! > > > > Have fun displaying where ever and whenever. > > > > > > > > > > Tom Schmutz > > Concord, Va. USA > > Germoamer at aol.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 17:59:23 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:59:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] casting metal at home Message-ID: <20050314015924.28304.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com> The first thing I ever sand cast at home was a radiator cap for a Caterpillar 22 tractor. The new cap from Caterpillar was priced at more than I paid for the tractor, so I made my own. That was in 1969 and the last I saw of the cap some years back it was in good shape. I made the cap from Zamak zinc-based alloy, which has an undeserved bad reputation from its superficial resemblance to pot metal. The gears in my 65-year old Atlas lathe are made from Zamak, which is proof enough for me that it is pretty good stuff. I have also sand cast various aluminum alloys with good results, too. The zinc-based Zamak often has better mould fill-out because of its greater fluidity and much higher density, but for me it is pretty much a toss-up between the two types. What I use depends on the application. If bright shiny appearance is needed and is the ONLY consideration, then use aluminum because Zamak quickly develops a very characteristic battleship gray color and items cast from it resemble being made from pure Portland cement. Zamak electroplates extremely well. Aluminum is lighter in weight. Zamak is a good bearing alloy for light service. Aluminum handles high heat better. Neither corrodes easily. Over all I prefer Zamak when I have a choice because it melts at a lower temperature than most aluminum alloys, but it costs more unless it can be salvaged from discarded vacuum cleaners, washing machine transmissions, etc. When thinking about making a casting, don't forget about using Zamak. Work and play safely! Rich ~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\: From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Mar 13 18:00:48 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:00:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My "New" Genset In-Reply-To: <00b401c52834$90d5fa80$9235ef18@pengy> References: <00b401c52834$90d5fa80$9235ef18@pengy> Message-ID: <43f819783612f40d541431b1b2e2b699@chartertn.net> That's a beauty all right, Rick! John On Mar 13, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Tod Engine wrote: > Isn't it a beauty! That nice yellow paint sure makes it more visually > appealing than the original olive drab green. I sure hope we get a > few years of trouble free service from it. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Mar 13 18:07:16 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:07:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Getting back into engines. References: <005e01c52831$ffa10b60$546bcc45@yourtwa0macjqu> Message-ID: <00f101c5283b$264a1d20$0301a8c0@Reg> Hi Tommy. I used to work? with a lining brush and a large rag soaked in turps. I spent up and bought a Beugler lining tool. It is a good unit to have. It takes some practice but the end result is better than a brush in by shop. A lot of engines are getting around with lines put there with this tool. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stojanov" To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 12:06 PM Subject: [SEL] Getting back into engines. Dear List, Hello, I've been semi- lurking for the past year or two lately, my collection has been slowly growing, but sitting idle. I haven't had the time or ambition to work on engines lately; I guess thats what happens when a young man begins to grow up, too many distractions! Since the snow has started to part up here in NY, I figure it would be a good time to put the snowmobiles away and get out some old iron once again. Other than thatI have just been working on my family's house. I have a 6hp Worthington and a 4hp Myrick (early style) that need attention, so I think it is time I started working on my engines. One of my biggest concerns with the Worthington is paint. Particulary the pinstriping end of the spectrum. Does anyone have any tips for striping an engine? Also, I have a Novo S model (a 4hp if I recall correctly) that needs the mixer assembly. Would anyone happen to have such a mixer laying out in their shed that they would be willing to part with? I have been in search of one for 2 years now, I missed out on a mixer on eBay, and at one point I couldn't justify paying more for the mixer than what I purchased the engine for. Thanks! Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov Spencerport, NY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From todengine at zoominternet.net Sun Mar 13 20:10:39 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:10:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My "New" Genset References: <00b401c52834$90d5fa80$9235ef18@pengy> <43f819783612f40d541431b1b2e2b699@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <001001c5284b$c8016500$9235ef18@pengy> WOW!!! Two purchases in one day on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3879924466&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOAB:US:6 I logged onto ebay tonight and there was a 300 amp gas driven DC welder for $95 with one bid. So I watched the auction and finally won the welder for a little over $200. Interesting thing is that the welder and genset have identical 4 cylinder Hercules engines. I've been needing a welder at the museum site for a long while and now we have one. All in all a good day, just wish it had a nice shiny yellow paint job! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] My "New" Genset > That's a beauty all right, Rick! > > John > > On Mar 13, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Tod Engine wrote: >> Isn't it a beauty! That nice yellow paint sure makes it more visually >> appealing than the original olive drab green. I sure hope we get a few >> years of trouble free service from it. > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 14 03:53:14 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 04:53:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] My "New" Genset References: <00b401c52834$90d5fa80$9235ef18@pengy><43f819783612f40d541431b1b2e2b699@chartertn.net> <001001c5284b$c8016500$9235ef18@pengy> Message-ID: If the Genset doesn't have manuals, get in touch with me. May be able to get ya some. Good find RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] My "New" Genset > WOW!!! Two purchases in one day on ebay. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3879924466&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOAB:US:6 > > I logged onto ebay tonight and there was a 300 amp gas driven DC welder > for > $95 with one bid. So I watched the auction and finally won the welder for > a > little over $200. Interesting thing is that the welder and genset have > identical 4 cylinder Hercules engines. I've been needing a welder at > the > museum site for a long while and now we have one. All in all a good day, > just wish it had a nice shiny yellow paint job! > > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Culp" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:00 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] My "New" Genset > > > > That's a beauty all right, Rick! > > > > John > > > > On Mar 13, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Tod Engine wrote: > >> Isn't it a beauty! That nice yellow paint sure makes it more visually > >> appealing than the original olive drab green. I sure hope we get a > >> few > >> years of trouble free service from it. > > > > > > John Culp > > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Mar 14 06:29:34 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:29:34 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Are you sitting comfortably? Message-ID: <42359FCE.33D843F@insulate.co.uk> Hi All SAFETY WARNING Please ensure that there are no sharp objects around which could cause injury if you fall. Remove all liquids from the vicinity of your keyboard. Remove all animals from the room which may be startled by sudden involuntary movements. Check for correct functionality of heart pacemaker equipment. Are you ready? Trumpets sound .... drums roll ... The next episode of TYRA is complete!!! Yes, the second installment of Arnie's 2002 visit to England has finally been webbed. You may, or may not, have noticed that I have not been so free with my attacks on Arnie in recent months. This is because the delay has been, in part, my fault. Arnie took 2 years to write it and it's taken me nearly 9 months to web it. He was "encouraged" to write part of his TYRA trip when he was here in 2004, as you can see in this picture: http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/work4beer.jpg but by the time he left, he'd only completed a further 3 sections, one of which is the canal boat trip I've just put up on the web. So, when you've got over the shock, get yourself a drink and settle down to enjoy more of Arnie's Adventures. I'd suggest you refresh yourselves on the opening episode of this trip first: http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/yank1.htm Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From jimjirik at earthlink.net Mon Mar 14 06:39:06 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:39:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP Message-ID: <410-22005311414396812@earthlink.net> Can someone help me with some information on this engine I just bought. It's a FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP self oiling engine. One of the, I think it's called, babbit bearings is worn and lets the left side fly wheel wobble. I can move the crank in the bearing slightly by hand. Is there anywhere I can go to get a replacement bearing for this? Also, if anyone has a manual in electronic form that would be greatly appreciated as well. Thanks, Jim Jirik Bonner Springs, KS jimjirik at earthlink.net From f86sabre at kcweb.net Mon Mar 14 08:13:12 2005 From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:13:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Getting back into engines. References: <005e01c52831$ffa10b60$546bcc45@yourtwa0macjqu> Message-ID: <000f01c528b0$bb384770$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> The late Rudy Kouhoupt has an excellent DVD on Bay-Com.com on pinstriping. It isn't cheap, though. Dan Bousman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stojanov" To: Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 7:06 PM Subject: [SEL] Getting back into engines. Dear List, Hello, I've been semi- lurking for the past year or two lately, my collection has been slowly growing, but sitting idle. I haven't had the time or ambition to work on engines lately; I guess thats what happens when a young man begins to grow up, too many distractions! Since the snow has started to part up here in NY, I figure it would be a good time to put the snowmobiles away and get out some old iron once again. Other than thatI have just been working on my family's house. I have a 6hp Worthington and a 4hp Myrick (early style) that need attention, so I think it is time I started working on my engines. One of my biggest concerns with the Worthington is paint. Particulary the pinstriping end of the spectrum. Does anyone have any tips for striping an engine? Also, I have a Novo S model (a 4hp if I recall correctly) that needs the mixer assembly. Would anyone happen to have such a mixer laying out in their shed that they would be willing to part with? I have been in search of one for 2 years now, I missed out on a mixer on eBay, and at one point I couldn't justify paying more for the mixer than what I purchased the engine for. Thanks! Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov Spencerport, NY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 14 08:58:44 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:58:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Getting back into engines. Message-ID: <20050314.115844.792.13.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tommy, Good to hear you're getting into the engines again. As for painting - I do things a little different than most. I quit spraying a long time ago when the price of thinners and automotive paint got too high. I usually wire wheel my engines to bare cast iron. I use Rust-Oleum rusty metal primer - maybe 3 coats - sanding each coat with 280 grit wet-dry. Same with the paint - Rust-Oleum - thinned to a consistency that I like and brush it on thin & almost dry trying not to leave brush marks. Last year I experimented putting a coat or two of spar varnish over the finished paint job. I was pleasantly surprised. As for pin stripping - I picked up a Beuglar Pin Stripping tool at a flea market - $30. www.beugler.com It was a "Jumbo" and not really suited for doing the thinner lines we need. Later, I bought another for $15 at Rogers, OH flea market. It was good but one of the wheels would stick. Later I bought a new Beugler from the company which ran in excess of $100. The Beugler works nice and I recommend it for the amateur who has never used a pin striping brush. Someday I will venture there. You might want to take a peek at my Webshots (In my signature). You might be able to see some of the pin striping I did on my Fuller-Johnson and Jaeger. Good luck. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From segray at mlode.com Mon Mar 14 09:16:52 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:16:52 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off Message-ID: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid family. Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things off my website for his commercial site. No permission, no correspondence, just grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad mouth" the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand he's grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with Lister based equipment. The website in question is http://www.oldstylelisters.com -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Mar 14 10:00:54 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:00:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> Message-ID: <4235D156.106C12EC@insulate.co.uk> Hi Steve Perhaps if he suddenly had a whole lot of folks pointing out that material on his website was STOLEN, which doesn't give his general business a good image? Just let us know which pics they are .... Dolly Steve Gray wrote: > Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English > engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid family. > Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things off > my website for his commercial site. No permission, no correspondence, > just grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad > mouth" the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand > he's grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with > Lister based equipment. The website in question is > http://www.oldstylelisters.com > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From andyglines at hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 11:01:59 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:01:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cast iron repair Message-ID: The repair I'm doing is actually for my steam engine but it seems like an appropriate subject for the engine list. I have a couple of broken or cracked castings to be repaired. I can braze to do the repair but the repaired area sticks out like a sore thumb next to the original surface which is quite rough and pitted. For the repair I ground a V where the crack was and also the surrounding area to shiny metal, After brazing I ground the brass flush with the base metal. Using a ball peen hammer, punches, & my needle scaler I attempted to recreate the pits in the cast iron. Things went pretty well. I may need to beat on it a little more to camoflage the repair. Has anyone else doen this? How did you do it? From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 11:10:09 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:10:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <4235D156.106C12EC@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: I'm guessing this is the page as it looks very framiliar. http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ==================== >From: Jim French > >Just let us know which pics they are .... > >Dolly > >-- >Jim French >fbi at insulate.co.uk >http://www.insulate.co.uk From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Mar 14 11:16:01 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:16:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <4235D156.106C12EC@insulate.co.uk> References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> <4235D156.106C12EC@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050314141437.02646bb0@mail.alltel.net> The name on that website (ANDREE) is familiar, but I just can't think of why! Dave At 01:00 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote: >Hi Steve >Perhaps if he suddenly had a whole lot of folks pointing out that material >on his website was STOLEN, which doesn't give his general business a good >image? >Just let us know which pics they are .... >Dolly >Steve Gray wrote: > > Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English > > engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid family. > > Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things off > > my website for his commercial site. No permission, no correspondence, > > just grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad > > mouth" the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand > > he's grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with > > Lister based equipment. The website in question is > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com From stevebarr at ameritech.net Mon Mar 14 11:32:48 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:32:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Steve Looks like this is one of them...he didn't change the name of the file either... http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html Looks just like one on Steve's site at: http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg Steve --- Jim French wrote: Hi Steve Perhaps if he suddenly had a whole lot of folks pointing out that material on his website was STOLEN, which doesn't give his general business a good image? Just let us know which pics they are .... Dolly Steve Gray wrote: Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid family. Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things off my website for his commercial site. No permission, no correspondence, just grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad mouth" the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand he's grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with Lister based equipment. The website in question is http://www.oldstylelisters.com -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From George_Best at adp.com Mon Mar 14 11:44:12 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:44:12 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Cast iron repair Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF129E10@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> I know a guy who had some engine parts fabricated. The person doing the fabricating used a needle scaler to give the parts some texture and the results looked very good. WAIT George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Andy Glines > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 11:02 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Cast iron repair > > The repair I'm doing is actually for my steam engine but it > seems like an appropriate subject for the engine list. I > have a couple of broken or cracked castings to be repaired. > I can braze to do the repair but the repaired area sticks out > like a sore thumb next to the original surface which is quite > rough and pitted. For the repair I ground a V where the > crack was and also the surrounding area to shiny metal, > After brazing I ground the brass flush with the base metal. > Using a ball peen hammer, punches, & my needle scaler I > attempted to recreate the pits in the cast iron. Things went > pretty well. I may need to beat on it a little more to > camoflage the repair. Has anyone else doen this? How did you do it? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Mar 14 12:11:34 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:11:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> References: 6667 <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> http://www.oldstylelisters.com/images/listgen5.jpg http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg Hmmm, something stinks here! He's stealing photos and using them as "what not to do". And he didn't even modify it! 81310 bytes exactly! So what's wrong with an install with NO idler?? I believe that setup looks fine for what it's intended for, and not just saying that because it's a list member either. Bill > Steve > > Looks like this is one of them...he didn't change the name of the file > either... > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html > > Looks just like one on Steve's site at: > http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg > > Steve > --- Jim French wrote: > Hi Steve > > Perhaps if he suddenly had a whole lot of folks pointing out that material > on his website was STOLEN, which doesn't give his general business a good > image? > Just let us know which pics they are .... > > Dolly > > Steve Gray wrote: > > Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English > engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid family. > > Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things off > my website for his commercial site. No permission, no correspondence, just > grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad mouth" > the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand he's > grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with Lister > based equipment. The website in question is > http://www.oldstylelisters.com > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Mar 14 12:29:12 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:29:12 EST Subject: [SEL] Cast iron repair Message-ID: <128.5892212a.2f674e18@aol.com> Another possibility is to braze, clean, then spread a thin layer of JB Weld and wait a short while. Before it hardens, but after it is no longer sticky, use a textured pad like a 3M pad and push it into the JB Weld, leaving a rough, cast iron like, finish. After paint, you should have the appearance you want. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, MO USA In a message dated 3/14/2005 2:12:00 PM Central Standard Time, George_Best at adp.com writes: I know a guy who had some engine parts fabricated. The person doing the fabricating used a needle scaler to give the parts some texture and the results looked very good. WAIT George From George_Best at adp.com Mon Mar 14 12:52:42 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:52:42 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF129E4E@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> http://home.gwi.net/~dclough/serialpage.html The above is a webpage that was ripped off from me. Years ago I had a Fordson website. In fact I believe it was the first Fordson website. The ISP provider I was using suddenly closed shop and I never relocated my website since I didn't really have the time to support it anyway. On the above page, the rip-off person did add some additional information to the bottom of the page, but all the text and pictures, table, were direct copies of my file. Interesting if you look at the "source" of the page that he happens to have created the page using the same software that I used. WAIT George From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 14 13:07:56 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:07:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP References: <410-22005311414396812@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Jim: www.hitnmiss.com has a downloadable catalog. The one I have shows what you need. The manual is very reasonable. His phone number is 1-440-272-5335 email him at hitnmiss at orwell.net I'd call him during the day or Sat. morning. He's on Eastern Standard Time. Gas Engine Magazine (GEM) also lists more vendors that cater to our insanity. Good Luck RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Jirik" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:39 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > Can someone help me with some information on this engine I just bought. > It's a FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP self oiling engine. One of the, I think it's > called, > babbit bearings is worn and lets the left side fly wheel wobble. I can > move the > crank in the bearing slightly by hand. Is there anywhere I can go to get > a > replacement > bearing for this? > > Also, if anyone has a manual in electronic form that would be greatly > appreciated as well. > > Thanks, > Jim Jirik > Bonner Springs, KS > jimjirik at earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Mon Mar 14 13:35:12 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:35:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off References: 6667 <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <007601c528dd$b521c5a0$121117d1@net.telenet.net> http://www.andree-international.com/ Is the main site for these bozos. Looks like another stolen picture on the first page. I looked around and there are other pictures stolen from other sites as well. I guess they figure it is fine to steal. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/images/listgen5.jpg > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg > > Hmmm, something stinks here! He's stealing photos and using them as "what > not to do". > > And he didn't even modify it! 81310 bytes exactly! > > So what's wrong with an install with NO idler?? > > I believe that setup looks fine for what it's intended for, and not just > saying that because it's a list member either. > > Bill > > > > Steve > > > > Looks like this is one of them...he didn't change the name of the file > > either... > > > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html > > > > Looks just like one on Steve's site at: > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg > > > > Steve > > --- Jim French wrote: > > Hi Steve > > > > Perhaps if he suddenly had a whole lot of folks pointing out that material > > on his website was STOLEN, which doesn't give his general business a good > > image? > > Just let us know which pics they are .... > > > > Dolly > > > > Steve Gray wrote: > > > > Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English > > engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid family. > > > > Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things off > > my website for his commercial site. No permission, no correspondence, just > > grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad mouth" > > the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand he's > > grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with Lister > > based equipment. The website in question is > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com > > > > -- > > Jim French > > fbi at insulate.co.uk > > http://www.insulate.co.uk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jimjirik at earthlink.net Mon Mar 14 13:51:36 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:51:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP Message-ID: <410-220053114215136574@earthlink.net> Thank you! Jim > [Original Message] > From: Richard Strobel > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 3/14/2005 3:09:51 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > Hi Jim: > > www.hitnmiss.com has a downloadable catalog. The one I have shows what you > need. The manual is very reasonable. > His phone number is 1-440-272-5335 > email him at hitnmiss at orwell.net > > I'd call him during the day or Sat. morning. He's on Eastern Standard Time. > > Gas Engine Magazine (GEM) also lists more vendors that cater to our > insanity. > > Good Luck > RickinMt. > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Jirik" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:39 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > > > Can someone help me with some information on this engine I just bought. > > It's a FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP self oiling engine. One of the, I think it's > > called, > > babbit bearings is worn and lets the left side fly wheel wobble. I can > > move the > > crank in the bearing slightly by hand. Is there anywhere I can go to get > > a > > replacement > > bearing for this? > > > > Also, if anyone has a manual in electronic form that would be greatly > > appreciated as well. > > > > Thanks, > > Jim Jirik > > Bonner Springs, KS > > jimjirik at earthlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 14 14:04:14 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:04:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP References: <410-22005311414396812@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008b01c528e2$1a97c0c0$0301a8c0@Reg> Without seeing it, I think the shaft may be bent. It happened to a LOT of old engines. Not too hard to straighten though. A fair amount of slack on a bearing still wont show up as a wobble on the wheel. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Jirik" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:39 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > Can someone help me with some information on this engine I just bought. > It's a FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP self oiling engine. One of the, I think it's > called, > babbit bearings is worn and lets the left side fly wheel wobble. I can > move the > crank in the bearing slightly by hand. Is there anywhere I can go to get a > replacement > bearing for this? > > Also, if anyone has a manual in electronic form that would be greatly > appreciated as well. > > Thanks, > Jim Jirik > Bonner Springs, KS > jimjirik at earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 14:10:20 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:10:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cast iron repair In-Reply-To: <128.5892212a.2f674e18@aol.com> Message-ID: And if you don't want to paint, you can match rusty cast iron by walking over to your wire wheel on your work bench and scoop up a handfull of rust from the part you just finished wire brushing. Then sprinkle it on the JB weld while it's still tacky and work it in lightly with the 3M pad and when it dries you can linseed oil the whole thing and it looks the same! From the shop of the Cloistered Oysters. >From: MaytagTwin at aol.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Cast iron repair >Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:29:12 EST > >Another possibility is to braze, clean, then spread a thin layer of JB Weld >and wait a short while. Before it hardens, but after it is no longer >sticky, >use a textured pad like a 3M pad and push it into the JB Weld, leaving a >rough, >cast iron like, finish. After paint, you should have the appearance you >want. > >Regards, >Ron Carroll >Clearmont, MO USA > >In a message dated 3/14/2005 2:12:00 PM Central Standard Time, >George_Best at adp.com writes: >I know a guy who had some engine parts fabricated. The person doing the >fabricating used a needle scaler to give the parts some texture and the >results looked very good. > >WAIT George >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Mar 14 14:13:06 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:13:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off References: 6667 <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <007601c528dd$b521c5a0$121117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <42360C72.44071D6D@insulate.co.uk> The stupid thing is, that in a lot of cases, if someone bothered to ASK if they could use your pictures and information, chances are you'd say yes. But no-one likes having their efforts stolen, uncredited. My "other" hobby is sewing, and I sometimes send pictures of what I've created to the designers or project creators. In turn, they ask if they can use those to inspire more of their customers. I always agree unreservedly - it's great to share ideas and I get a bit of credit to feed my ego. Everybody's happy. Dolly "Steve W." wrote: > http://www.andree-international.com/ > > Is the main site for these bozos. Looks like another stolen picture on > the first page. I looked around and there are other pictures stolen from > other sites as well. I guess they figure it is fine to steal. > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Mar 14 14:21:48 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:21:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <007601c528dd$b521c5a0$121117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <6667 <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <007601c528dd$b521c5a0$121117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050314172004.0265ee10@mail.alltel.net> andree--why the hell does that name seem so familiar? Dave At 04:35 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote: >http://www.andree-international.com/ > >Is the main site for these bozos. Looks like another stolen picture on >the first page. I looked around and there are other pictures stolen from >other sites as well. I guess they figure it is fine to steal. > > >Steve Williams > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:11 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off > > > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/images/listgen5.jpg > > > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg > > > > Hmmm, something stinks here! He's stealing photos and using them as >"what > > not to do". > > > > And he didn't even modify it! 81310 bytes exactly! > > > > So what's wrong with an install with NO idler?? > > > > I believe that setup looks fine for what it's intended for, and not >just > > saying that because it's a list member either. > > > > Bill > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > Looks like this is one of them...he didn't change the name of the >file > > > either... > > > > > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html > > > > > > Looks just like one on Steve's site at: > > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg > > > > > > Steve > > > --- Jim French wrote: > > > Hi Steve > > > > > > Perhaps if he suddenly had a whole lot of folks pointing out that >material > > > on his website was STOLEN, which doesn't give his general business a >good > > > image? > > > Just let us know which pics they are .... > > > > > > Dolly > > > > > > Steve Gray wrote: > > > > > > Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English > > > engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid >family. > > > > > > Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things >off > > > my website for his commercial site. No permission, no >correspondence, just > > > grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad >mouth" > > > the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand >he's > > > grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with >Lister > > > based equipment. The website in question is > > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com > > > > > > -- > > > Jim French > > > fbi at insulate.co.uk > > > http://www.insulate.co.uk > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jimjirik at earthlink.net Mon Mar 14 14:23:49 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:23:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP Message-ID: <410-220053114222349724@earthlink.net> I'm new to this so maybe you can help me further. I thought it was bent, but also thought it would be pretty hard to bend a shaft that big. It wobbles enough that the engine doesn't sit still when it's running. How does one go about straightening the shaft?????? Jim > [Original Message] > From: Reg Ingold > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 3/15/2005 2:07:17 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > Without seeing it, I think the shaft may be bent. It happened to a LOT of > old engines. Not too hard to straighten though. A fair amount of slack on a > bearing still wont show up as a wobble on the wheel. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Jirik" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:39 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > > > Can someone help me with some information on this engine I just bought. > > It's a FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP self oiling engine. One of the, I think it's > > called, > > babbit bearings is worn and lets the left side fly wheel wobble. I can > > move the > > crank in the bearing slightly by hand. Is there anywhere I can go to get > a > > replacement > > bearing for this? > > > > Also, if anyone has a manual in electronic form that would be greatly > > appreciated as well. > > > > Thanks, > > Jim Jirik > > Bonner Springs, KS > > jimjirik at earthlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 14 14:27:17 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:27:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Belt lacing WoW Message-ID: Howdy all; Took a good look at the GenSet today and thought ya'll might enjoy or try this belt lacing circa ~1920ish. My first look..no big deal..I can do that: http://community.webshots.com/photo/291395326/295595468wnQLjX And then I turned it over and WoW!! Try this the morning after the night before....and thanks for being my guinea pig on photo editing!! Need to make it smaller in size don't I? sorry http://community.webshots.com/photo/295593286/295593286AdGvYN enjoy RickinsnowyMt. PS: Like to see that on a 10" belt. From stevebarr at ameritech.net Mon Mar 14 14:34:00 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:34:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050314223400.32285.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> What happened to their belt tensioner??? http://www.andrees.biz/ What does it cost the company when you start calling their 800 number??? Steve B. --- "Steve W." wrote: http://www.andree-international.com/ Is the main site for these bozos. Looks like another stolen picture on the first page. I looked around and there are other pictures stolen from other sites as well. I guess they figure it is fine to steal. Steve Williams From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Mar 14 14:34:05 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:34:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP In-Reply-To: <008b01c528e2$1a97c0c0$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <410-22005311414396812@earthlink.net> <008b01c528e2$1a97c0c0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050314173144.0262d328@mail.alltel.net> At 05:04 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote: >Without seeing it, I think the shaft may be bent. >Reg & Marg Ingold. Hi Reg, Thanks for your input! I think you are probably right, but at my age the fact that it works at all is a godsend! Dave From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Mon Mar 14 14:40:21 2005 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:40:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: I agree Bill, There doesn't really need to be an idler in there, I setup my generator with a similar arrangement except I used 2 v-belts and it works fine. I've put quite a few hours on it, and the belts didn't require any adjustment... >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/images/listgen5.jpg > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg > > Hmmm, something stinks here! He's stealing photos and using them as "what > not to do". > > And he didn't even modify it! 81310 bytes exactly! > > So what's wrong with an install with NO idler?? > > I believe that setup looks fine for what it's intended for, and not just > saying that because it's a list member either. > > Bill > > > > Steve > > > > Looks like this is one of them...he didn't change the name of the file > > either... > > > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html > > > > Looks just like one on Steve's site at: > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg > > > > Steve > > --- Jim French wrote: > > Hi Steve > > > > Perhaps if he suddenly had a whole lot of folks pointing out that material > > on his website was STOLEN, which doesn't give his general business a good > > image? > > Just let us know which pics they are .... > > > > Dolly > > > > Steve Gray wrote: > > > > Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English > > engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid family. > > > > Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things off > > my website for his commercial site. No permission, no correspondence, just > > grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad mouth" > > the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand he's > > grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with Lister > > based equipment. The website in question is > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com > > > > -- > > Jim French > > fbi at insulate.co.uk > > http://www.insulate.co.uk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From solarrog at pacbell.net Mon Mar 14 14:57:30 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:57:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] FBM Z 3 hp parts Free, no dough, keep your cash References: <410-220053114222349724@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002501c528e9$34835380$52687343@D6R3D961> I have a couple crankshafts, one bare rusty block for free, Im tied of looking at them, This is for pickup only Im located in Fremont, Ca Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 14 14:53:34 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:53:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP References: <410-220053114222349724@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005401c528ea$a9d209a0$0301a8c0@Reg> An awful lot can be achieved with a sash cramp and a few wood wedges. A lot depends on how robust the spokes are. A solid wheel is an easy 'pull' job. I have had most success going from the buckled rim to the shaft end on the other side but, if you can wedge the good side firmly, then you can pull against it. Common sense and a bit of 'feel' for what you are doing is the order of things. If you doubt the ability of the wheel to take the stress, dont do it. The shafts are mostly mild steel and, if it bent cold, it will come back cold too. If you apply heat, it will bend in a new spot. It changes things so much, that without a huge press, you will go nowhere. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Jirik" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > I'm new to this so maybe you can help me further. I thought it was bent, > but also thought it would be pretty hard to bend a shaft that big. It > wobbles enough that the engine doesn't sit still when it's running. How > does one go about straightening the shaft?????? > > Jim > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Reg Ingold > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: 3/15/2005 2:07:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > > > Without seeing it, I think the shaft may be bent. It happened to a LOT of > > old engines. Not too hard to straighten though. A fair amount of slack on > a > > bearing still wont show up as a wobble on the wheel. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Jirik" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:39 AM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > > > > > > Can someone help me with some information on this engine I just bought. > > > It's a FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP self oiling engine. One of the, I think > it's > > > called, > > > babbit bearings is worn and lets the left side fly wheel wobble. I can > > > move the > > > crank in the bearing slightly by hand. Is there anywhere I can go to > get > > a > > > replacement > > > bearing for this? > > > > > > Also, if anyone has a manual in electronic form that would be greatly > > > appreciated as well. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Jim Jirik > > > Bonner Springs, KS > > > jimjirik at earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 14 14:42:07 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:42:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off References: <6667 <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com><44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com><007601c528dd$b521c5a0$121117d1@net.telenet.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050314172004.0265ee10@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <009401c528e7$0df8e920$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > andree--why the hell does that name seem so familiar? > Dave > Stolen from Luke's piles of pics http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port00/port00dave_economy.jpg Curt Andree is the bearded chap behind the Galloway , and to your right , cold drink , contented look. Not the concerned look , thats Keith . Chuck ? From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Mar 14 15:46:55 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:46:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13f3a061d08d3388252c85d95bfe2d78@chartertn.net> Just apply Rob's solution. Rename the picture on your site and change the reference on your page to match. Then put a nice porno shot of a 500-pounder on your server with the same filename as the original image. Bet he'll see the error of his ways. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Mar 14 15:53:52 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:53:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050314172004.0265ee10@mail.alltel.net> References: <6667 <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <007601c528dd$b521c5a0$121117d1@net.telenet.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050314172004.0265ee10@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: This is NOT Curt Andree's website. The old man's name is Willem Andree, best I can tell. Looked at the Andree Family page. Curt Andree is an off-and-on List member. Seems to be a nice enough fellow. John On Mar 14, 2005, at 5:21 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > andree--why the hell does that name seem so familiar? > Dave John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Mar 14 16:00:01 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:00:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Finished truck. Message-ID: <001f01c528f1$eff9c4c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi All, Finished my new made engine truck today and to me it looks good. It can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/finishedtruck.jpg When you like to see the whole cyclus how I did it, take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/truckmakingpage.htm Here will you see and read the idea I had in mind to constructing it. My wife is happy by now, she has the man in the house again :o)) John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 14 14:56:19 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:56:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP References: <410-220053114222349724@earthlink.net> <005401c528ea$a9d209a0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <00be01c528e9$0a4c7100$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> . > If you doubt the ability of the wheel to take the stress, dont do it. > The shafts are mostly mild steel and, if it bent cold, it will come back > cold too. If you apply heat, it will bend in a new spot. It changes things > so much, that without a huge press, you will go nowhere . Yes ! You get to rap it smartly with a pein ! If the mains are worn enough the con rod could push the crank to and fro , up and down . the flywheels would appear to wobble , (actually jump around and ammer )but not just ONE of them Both wheels will have to flop around before it could be considerd to have anything to do with bearings . You want to prove it to yourself ? take a tape measure and measure between the wheels, roll the motor around 180 degrees and measure again . the numbers will be different if the crank is bent . One of the things I carry a tape at swaps for is to watch for bent cranks . They throw em off the truck onto the ground at thats it . Enjoy your new toy . Chuck ? http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 14 15:57:10 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:57:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP References: <410-22005311414396812@earthlink.net><008b01c528e2$1a97c0c0$0301a8c0@Reg> <6.1.2.0.0.20050314173144.0262d328@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <007201c528f3$0f03d300$0301a8c0@Reg> I know what you mean!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > At 05:04 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote: > >Without seeing it, I think the shaft may be bent. > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Hi Reg, Thanks for your input! I think you are probably right, but at my > age the fact that it works at all is a godsend! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From eddy93 at iowatelecom.net Mon Mar 14 16:25:19 2005 From: eddy93 at iowatelecom.net (eddy93) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:25:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Frank Eddy's death Message-ID: <001101c528f5$8033bca0$bd5f4245@yourpd3mh0abgs> Hi! This is Frank's wife Judy. I just wanted to let the list know that Frank died this afternoon at work. We don't know what happened. They are going to do an autopsy. He so enjoyed talking with all of you. I know he would want you to know. I will list details of his funeral when I know more. Judy Eddy From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 14 15:29:03 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:29:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Getting back into engines. References: <005e01c52831$ffa10b60$546bcc45@yourtwa0macjqu> <00f101c5283b$264a1d20$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <010d01c528ed$9c5c9300$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > I spent up and bought a Beugler lining tool. It is a good unit to have. It > takes some practice but the end result is better than a brush in by shop. > A lot of engines are getting around with lines put there with this tool. > > > Dear List, > Hello, I've been semi- lurking for the past year or two lately, my > collection has been slowly growing, Tommy ! I remember you , you called me on the phone one day right ......;-) Note , Duplicolor now has has striping pens suspisciously like the buegler aint seen one up close yet , but it looks like one from here . Like pepper with a built in grinder what an idea !!!!!!! Chuck http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From rholtzer at earthlink.net Mon Mar 14 16:40:00 2005 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:40:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Cast iron repair In-Reply-To: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF129E10@lexus.plaza.ds.adp. com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20050314163831.00c64388@mail.earthlink.net> I have used the needle scaler as you suggest. It does reduce the shine considerable. It won't make pits but in general looks much better than doing nothing! Bob Holtzer At 11:44 AM 3/14/2005 -0800, you wrote: >I know a guy who had some engine parts fabricated. The person doing the >fabricating used a needle scaler to give the parts some texture and the >results looked very good. > >WAIT George > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > Andy Glines > > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 11:02 AM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] Cast iron repair > > > > The repair I'm doing is actually for my steam engine but it > > seems like an appropriate subject for the engine list. I > > have a couple of broken or cracked castings to be repaired. > > I can braze to do the repair but the repaired area sticks out > > like a sore thumb next to the original surface which is quite > > rough and pitted. For the repair I ground a V where the > > crack was and also the surrounding area to shiny metal, > > After brazing I ground the brass flush with the base metal. > > Using a ball peen hammer, punches, & my needle scaler I > > attempted to recreate the pits in the cast iron. Things went > > pretty well. I may need to beat on it a little more to > > camoflage the repair. Has anyone else doen this? How did you do it? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Mar 14 16:40:13 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:40:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <13f3a061d08d3388252c85d95bfe2d78@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <200503150040.j2F0eeVP026285@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Problem with that is that in Rob's case, the person was linking to pics on Rob's site - this case, they have actually "taken" a copy of the file and put it on their site. Rob could change the pic and his web site to display something not so nice when someone attempted to link from a different domain. In Rob's case, they stole bandwidth, not just the pic. Otherwise, I'd be thrilled to help........... Rob's solution was BRILLIANT! Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 5:47 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off Just apply Rob's solution. Rename the picture on your site and change the reference on your page to match. Then put a nice porno shot of a 500-pounder on your server with the same filename as the original image. Bet he'll see the error of his ways. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 14 16:45:09 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:45:09 EST Subject: [SEL] Finished truck. Message-ID: <30.6e4ccdef.2f678a15@aol.com> In a message dated 3/14/2005 7:40:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, jg.hammink at quicknet.nl writes: << Finished my new made engine truck today and to me it looks good. It can be seen at: >> John, As usual a beautiful job!! Thanks for the earlier photos you sent me. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 14 16:45:58 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:45:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Frank Eddy's death References: <001101c528f5$8033bca0$bd5f4245@yourpd3mh0abgs> Message-ID: <00ba01c528f8$5cc9b2d0$230110ac@PAUL> Judy I am so sadden and sorry to hear of Frank's death. My prayers will be with you and your family. May God Bless you and give you strength to endure your loss. My sincere condolences, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "eddy93" To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 6:25 PM Subject: [SEL] Frank Eddy's death > Hi! This is Frank's wife Judy. I just wanted to let the list know that > Frank died this afternoon at work. We don't know what happened. They > are > going to do an autopsy. He so enjoyed talking with all of you. I know he > would want you to know. I will list details of his funeral when I know > more. Judy Eddy > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 14 16:48:21 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:48:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Finished truck. References: <001f01c528f1$eff9c4c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <00ce01c528f8$ba27fb30$230110ac@PAUL> WOW!, John this is one beautiful truck, what a great job. I cannot wait to see the engine sitting on it. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "Stat.eng.org" ; "SEL" Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 6:00 PM Subject: [SEL] Finished truck. > Hi All, > > Finished my new made engine truck today and to me it looks good. > It can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/finishedtruck.jpg > > When you like to see the whole cyclus how I did it, take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/truckmakingpage.htm > > Here will you see and read the idea I had in mind to constructing it. > My wife is happy by now, she has the man in the house again :o)) > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From d.fleming at sasktel.net Mon Mar 14 16:44:11 2005 From: d.fleming at sasktel.net (Don & Kay Fleming) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:44:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cast iron repair References: Message-ID: <001e01c528f8$deb68070$1dc46e40@2S4KN5K0H3> Andy I had a hole about 1" X 2" in an engine head. A friend brazed in a piece of cast iron to fill in the hole. We ground it smooth and then sand blasted the area. After painting you will be hard pressed to find the repair. Don Fleming Kipling, Sk. Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Glines" To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 1:01 PM Subject: [SEL] Cast iron repair > The repair I'm doing is actually for my steam engine but it seems like an > appropriate subject for the engine list. I have a couple of broken or > cracked castings to be repaired. I can braze to do the repair but the > repaired area sticks out like a sore thumb next to the original surface > which is quite rough and pitted. For the repair I ground a V where the > crack was and also the surrounding area to shiny metal, After brazing I > ground the brass flush with the base metal. Using a ball peen hammer, > punches, & my needle scaler I attempted to recreate the pits in the cast > iron. Things went pretty well. I may need to beat on it a little more to > camoflage the repair. Has anyone else doen this? How did you do it? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 14 15:47:46 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:47:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] MORE stolen photos WANTED Message-ID: <012901c528f0$3b640580$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> I have a pile of files of all the photographs I get in emails , along with the nitwits on the forklift ...... I want to put up a site with the grenaded , windowed , ventilated , exploded and otherwide destroyed flywheel engines . Partly to satify morbid curiosity and partly as a cautionary tale (Many had sleeve retention issues on rebuilds) These are modern failures .They are at shows , in backyards . If I have a picture of your engine all layed out like a gutted carp for the world to see , and you find it embarrasing . I am real sorry about that and all . there ya go . I got one with a guy in his underwear that went for a ride on a flywheel . A cautionary tale , yes, but I think I'll ASK about THAT ONE . Anyone with catastrophic failure photos to add to the pile . Just shoot it my way . Chuck? http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 14 16:53:09 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:53:09 EST Subject: [SEL] Frank Eddy's death Message-ID: <84.4155516a.2f678bf5@aol.com> In a message dated 3/14/2005 7:42:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, eddy93 at iowatelecom.net writes: << This is Frank's wife Judy. I just wanted to let the list know that Frank died this afternoon at work. We don't know what happened. They are going to do an autopsy. He so enjoyed talking with all of you. I know he would want you to know. I will list details of his funeral when I know more. Judy Eddy >> Hello Judy, I am very sorry for the untimely loss of your husband. There are a lot of nice folks on this old engine list who have become friends from over the world. We will keep you in our prayers. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Mar 14 17:07:19 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:07:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP In-Reply-To: <410-220053114222349724@earthlink.net> References: <410-220053114222349724@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42363547.9030906@fidnet.com> Hi Jim, I have no experience with straightening crankshafts, but someone on the list,perhaps Ron Haskell, has some experience in this area, and I believe has pictures on his website. Gary Jim Jirik wrote: > I'm new to this so maybe you can help me further. I thought it was bent, > but also thought it would be pretty hard to bend a shaft that big. It > wobbles enough that the engine doesn't sit still when it's running. How > does one go about straightening the shaft?????? > > Jim > > > >>[Original Message] >>From: Reg Ingold >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Date: 3/15/2005 2:07:17 PM >>Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP >> >>Without seeing it, I think the shaft may be bent. It happened to a LOT of >>old engines. Not too hard to straighten though. A fair amount of slack on > > a > >>bearing still wont show up as a wobble on the wheel. >>Reg & Marg Ingold. >>Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jim Jirik" >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:39 AM >>Subject: RE: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP >> >> >> >>>Can someone help me with some information on this engine I just bought. >>>It's a FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP self oiling engine. One of the, I think > > it's > >>>called, >>>babbit bearings is worn and lets the left side fly wheel wobble. I can >>>move the >>>crank in the bearing slightly by hand. Is there anywhere I can go to > > get > >>a >> >>>replacement >>>bearing for this? >>> >>>Also, if anyone has a manual in electronic form that would be greatly >>>appreciated as well. >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Jim Jirik >>>Bonner Springs, KS >>>jimjirik at earthlink.net >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From jimjirik at earthlink.net Mon Mar 14 17:11:57 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:11:57 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP Message-ID: <11970237.1110849117538.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> I took a tape to the flywheels and measured between them in different positions. At most places it measured 17-1/4", but there was a place that it was 1/16th more. Is that enough to assume a bent shaft? And to let you know, it is only the one flywheel that wobbles. The other seems to run true. Jim Jirik -----Original Message----- From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sent: Mar 14, 2005 4:56 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP . > If you doubt the ability of the wheel to take the stress, dont do it. > The shafts are mostly mild steel and, if it bent cold, it will come back > cold too. If you apply heat, it will bend in a new spot. It changes things > so much, that without a huge press, you will go nowhere . Yes ! You get to rap it smartly with a pein ! If the mains are worn enough the con rod could push the crank to and fro , up and down . the flywheels would appear to wobble , (actually jump around and ammer )but not just ONE of them Both wheels will have to flop around before it could be considerd to have anything to do with bearings . You want to prove it to yourself ? take a tape measure and measure between the wheels, roll the motor around 180 degrees and measure again . the numbers will be different if the crank is bent . One of the things I carry a tape at swaps for is to watch for bent cranks . They throw em off the truck onto the ground at thats it . Enjoy your new toy . Chuck ? http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 14 15:11:01 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:11:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Are you sitting comfortably? References: <42359FCE.33D843F@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <00f101c528eb$18230120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > You may, or may not, have noticed that I have not been so free with my > attacks on Arnie in recent months You have been very cordial , indeed Are there any oilfield engine shots in there ? Running , oilfield , engines . Surely there was one in all of England he got to run Chuck "needles" Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From siberianhusky2003 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 18:00:22 2005 From: siberianhusky2003 at hotmail.com (big dog) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 02:00:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] carb. for a 4hp cushman cub Message-ID: im loking for a carb for a 4hp cushman cub stationary engine.if someone can help me it would be greatly appreciated. thank-you ..paul. From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Mar 14 17:58:28 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:58:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <200503150040.j2F0eeVP026285@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200503150040.j2F0eeVP026285@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Yeah, I realized it after I'd posted it. John On Mar 14, 2005, at 7:40 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: > Problem with that is that in Rob's case, the person was linking to > pics on > Rob's site - this case, they have actually "taken" a copy of the file > and > put it on their site. > Rob could change the pic and his web site to display something not so > nice > when someone attempted to link from a different domain. > In Rob's case, they stole bandwidth, not just the pic. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 14 17:44:31 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:44:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Frank Eddy's death References: <001101c528f5$8033bca0$bd5f4245@yourpd3mh0abgs> Message-ID: <00b901c52904$01584fe0$0301a8c0@Reg> Judy, Speaking as am Oz member of the list, we are so sorry to hear this news. Please accept my heartfelt sympathy at this terrible time in your life. It is a sad fact that, the better the journey, the harder it is at the end. You are in my thoughts. Hang in there. There are a LOT of us who will be with you in spirit during the upcoming hard days. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "eddy93" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 11:25 AM Subject: [SEL] Frank Eddy's death > Hi! This is Frank's wife Judy. I just wanted to let the list know that > Frank died this afternoon at work. We don't know what happened. They are > going to do an autopsy. He so enjoyed talking with all of you. I know he > would want you to know. I will list details of his funeral when I know > more. Judy Eddy > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 14 17:50:47 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:50:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP References: <11970237.1110849117538.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00bb01c52904$025bb620$0301a8c0@Reg> If you show 1/16th variation, that will give you a 1/8th runout. And I bet it looks awful !! It should pull back ok. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Jirik" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > I took a tape to the flywheels and measured between them in different positions. At most places it measured 17-1/4", but there was a place that it was 1/16th more. Is that enough to assume a bent shaft? And to let you know, it is only the one flywheel that wobbles. The other seems to run true. > > Jim Jirik > > -----Original Message----- > From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net > Sent: Mar 14, 2005 4:56 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > > . > > If you doubt the ability of the wheel to take the stress, dont do it. > > The shafts are mostly mild steel and, if it bent cold, it will come back > > cold too. If you apply heat, it will bend in a new spot. It changes things > > so much, that without a huge press, you will go nowhere . > > > > Yes ! You get to rap it smartly with a pein ! > > If the mains are worn enough > the con rod could push the crank to and fro , up and down . > the flywheels would appear to wobble , (actually jump around and > ammer )but not just ONE of them > Both wheels will have to flop around before it could be considerd to have > anything to do with bearings . > You want to prove it to yourself ? take a tape measure and measure > between the wheels, roll the motor around > 180 degrees and measure again . the numbers will be different if the crank > is bent . > One of the things I carry a tape at swaps for is to watch for bent cranks . > They throw em off the truck onto the ground > at thats it . Enjoy your new toy . > > > Chuck ? > http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From solarrog at pacbell.net Mon Mar 14 18:43:28 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:43:28 -0800 Subject: [SEL] carb. for a 4hp cushman cub References: Message-ID: <013601c52908$c5b0e970$52687343@D6R3D961> I believe the carbs are the same on the 2,3,4 HP cubs if anybody has had a different experience please speak up take a look at item 7500370264 on ebay I sure hope I havent broken the rules by responding to this question. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "big dog" To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 6:00 PM Subject: [SEL] carb. for a 4hp cushman cub > im loking for a carb for a 4hp cushman cub stationary engine.if someone > can help me it would be greatly appreciated. thank-you ..paul. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 14 18:46:59 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:46:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Finished truck. Message-ID: <20050314.214720.1208.17.jlb94@juno.com> Excellent job !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 14 18:44:25 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:44:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP Message-ID: <20050314.214720.1208.15.jlb94@juno.com> Are you for real ??? 1/16 of an inch difference ain't gonna make any difference in running an engine. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 14 18:40:31 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:40:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Frank Eddy's death Message-ID: <20050314.214720.1208.14.jlb94@juno.com> You have our deepest sympathies. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jimjirik at earthlink.net Mon Mar 14 18:55:13 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:55:13 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP Message-ID: <14922289.1110855313089.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Reg, I appreciate your help, but I need it spelled out a little better for me! I'm just a stupid salesman so forgive my slow uptake. You made the following statement in your earlier response: "An awful lot can be achieved with a sash cramp and a few wood wedges." I don't know what a sash cramp is!! Maybe you can spell it out a little better for me- I would appreciate it Thanks, Jim Jirik -----Original Message----- From: Reg Ingold Sent: Mar 14, 2005 7:50 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP If you show 1/16th variation, that will give you a 1/8th runout. And I bet it looks awful !! It should pull back ok. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Jirik" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > I took a tape to the flywheels and measured between them in different positions. At most places it measured 17-1/4", but there was a place that it was 1/16th more. Is that enough to assume a bent shaft? And to let you know, it is only the one flywheel that wobbles. The other seems to run true. > > Jim Jirik > > -----Original Message----- > From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net > Sent: Mar 14, 2005 4:56 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > > . > > If you doubt the ability of the wheel to take the stress, dont do it. > > The shafts are mostly mild steel and, if it bent cold, it will come back > > cold too. If you apply heat, it will bend in a new spot. It changes things > > so much, that without a huge press, you will go nowhere . > > > > Yes ! You get to rap it smartly with a pein ! > > If the mains are worn enough > the con rod could push the crank to and fro , up and down . > the flywheels would appear to wobble , (actually jump around and > ammer )but not just ONE of them > Both wheels will have to flop around before it could be considerd to have > anything to do with bearings . > You want to prove it to yourself ? take a tape measure and measure > between the wheels, roll the motor around > 180 degrees and measure again . the numbers will be different if the crank > is bent . > One of the things I carry a tape at swaps for is to watch for bent cranks . > They throw em off the truck onto the ground > at thats it . Enjoy your new toy . > > > Chuck ? > http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Mar 14 19:53:39 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:53:39 -0800 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP Message-ID: <20050314.195339.1064.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. This worked for me. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31185124&f= Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:07:19 -0600 Gary Epps writes: > Hi Jim, > > I have no experience with straightening crankshafts, but someone on > the > list,perhaps Ron Haskell, has some experience in this area, and I > believe has pictures on his website. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 14 20:18:48 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:18:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP References: <14922289.1110855313089.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <010301c52919$170bd5e0$0301a8c0@Reg> Ive answered this with pics off list. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Jirik" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > Reg, > > I appreciate your help, but I need it spelled out a little better for me! I'm just a stupid salesman so forgive my slow uptake. You made the following statement in your earlier response: > > "An awful lot can be achieved with a sash cramp and a few wood wedges." > > > I don't know what a sash cramp is!! Maybe you can spell it out a little better for me- I would appreciate it > > Thanks, > Jim Jirik From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Mar 14 21:27:30 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:27:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <200503150040.j2F0eeVP026285@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200503150040.j2F0eeVP026285@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <42367242.4010400@earthlink.net> Just sent these assholes an e-mail. Maybe I'll get a response and a real contact e-mail that can be used to do some damage. They have pretty well covered their ass to avoid what we would like to do. Great big pictures that we could share with them in a well timed manner. Sure hope they reply to Ben Dover. If so we can plan an attack. Not exactly a DOS but damn close. Still thinking of other ways to **** these folks. It just ain't right what they did. Jeff Bill Dickerson wrote: >Problem with that is that in Rob's case, the person was linking to pics on >Rob's site - this case, they have actually "taken" a copy of the file and >put it on their site. >Rob could change the pic and his web site to display something not so nice >when someone attempted to link from a different domain. >In Rob's case, they stole bandwidth, not just the pic. > >Otherwise, I'd be thrilled to help........... Rob's solution was BRILLIANT! > >Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp >Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 5:47 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off > >Just apply Rob's solution. Rename the picture on your site and change the >reference on your page to match. Then put a nice porno shot of a 500-pounder >on your server with the same filename as the original image. Bet he'll see >the error of his ways. > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Mar 14 21:48:29 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:48:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP In-Reply-To: <010301c52919$170bd5e0$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <14922289.1110855313089.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <010301c52919$170bd5e0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <4236772D.6050401@fidnet.com> OK, Reg, just what is a "sash cramp"? :) Several images come to mind, but I will wait for you to enlighten me if you will. Gary Reg Ingold wrote: > Ive answered this with pics off list. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Jirik" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:55 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > > >>Reg, >> >>I appreciate your help, but I need it spelled out a little better for me! > > I'm just a stupid salesman so forgive my slow uptake. You made the > following statement in your earlier response: > >>"An awful lot can be achieved with a sash cramp and a few wood wedges." >> >> >>I don't know what a sash cramp is!! Maybe you can spell it out a little > > better for me- I would appreciate it > >>Thanks, >>Jim Jirik > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 14 23:39:52 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:39:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP References: <14922289.1110855313089.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net><010301c52919$170bd5e0$0301a8c0@Reg> <4236772D.6050401@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <014001c52932$613e3ea0$0301a8c0@Reg> Its a long adjustable clamp used for making window frames. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > OK, Reg, just what is a "sash cramp"? :) Several images come to mind, > but I will wait for you to enlighten me if you will. > > Gary > > Reg Ingold wrote: > > Ive answered this with pics off list. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Jirik" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > > > > > > >>Reg, > >> > >>I appreciate your help, but I need it spelled out a little better for me! > > > > I'm just a stupid salesman so forgive my slow uptake. You made the > > following statement in your earlier response: > > > >>"An awful lot can be achieved with a sash cramp and a few wood wedges." > >> > >> > >>I don't know what a sash cramp is!! Maybe you can spell it out a little > > > > better for me- I would appreciate it > > > >>Thanks, > >>Jim Jirik > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move > at a leisurely pace. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Mar 15 00:28:25 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:28:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off - wanna know who they really are? In-Reply-To: <42367242.4010400@earthlink.net> References: <200503150040.j2F0eeVP026285@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <42367242.4010400@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42369CA9.4040509@steamengine.com.au> Try this: As for their 1,000,000 domains... whois gives us who they really belong to :) Domain name: oldstylelisters.com Registrant Contact: Willem Andree (willem_andree at yahoo.com) +1.3603049697 Fax: (000) 000-0000 1714 North Pearl Centralia, WA 98531 US Toll Free: 1-800-880-3864 Tel/Fax: (360) 736-3968 I *like* unix tools :) Whoever they are, they are certainly spread out... they're into engines, childcare (daycare), foods... oh, and here is my personal favourite of their sites.... http://www.andree-family.com/ This one has a guestbook... I think you all know what to do with it! Paul & yeah I'm still here... just lurking most of the time :) & Jeff Allen wrote: > Just sent these assholes an e-mail. Maybe I'll get a response and a real > contact e-mail that can be used to do some damage. They have pretty well > covered their ass to avoid what we would like to do. Great big pictures > that we could share with them in a well timed manner. Sure hope they > reply to Ben Dover. If so we can plan an attack. Not exactly a DOS but > damn close. Still thinking of other ways to **** these folks. It just > ain't right what they did. > > Jeff > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005 From guitronics at comcast.net Tue Mar 15 00:39:56 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 03:39:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: 6667 <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <42369F5C.9010707@comcast.net> What idler?I'm serious. bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >http://www.oldstylelisters.com/images/listgen5.jpg > >http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg > >Hmmm, something stinks here! He's stealing photos and using them as "what >not to do". > >And he didn't even modify it! 81310 bytes exactly! > >So what's wrong with an install with NO idler?? > >I believe that setup looks fine for what it's intended for, and not just >saying that because it's a list member either. > >Bill > > > > >>Steve >> >>Looks like this is one of them...he didn't change the name of the file >>either... >> >>http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html >> >>Looks just like one on Steve's site at: >>http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg >> >>Steve >>--- Jim French wrote: >>Hi Steve >> >>Perhaps if he suddenly had a whole lot of folks pointing out that material >>on his website was STOLEN, which doesn't give his general business a good >>image? >> Just let us know which pics they are .... >> >>Dolly >> >>Steve Gray wrote: >> >>Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English >>engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid family. >> >>Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things off >>my website for his commercial site. No permission, no correspondence, just >>grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad mouth" >>the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand he's >>grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with Lister >>based equipment. The website in question is >>http://www.oldstylelisters.com >> >> -- >> Jim French >> fbi at insulate.co.uk >> http://www.insulate.co.uk >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Mar 15 03:27:18 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:27:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Eagles are Back References: <001c01c52460$2be649e0$966e8645@carolina.rr.com><010401c52424$4c5b6d90$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa><1110331732.422e515419cdb@webmail.city-net.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20050313215029.00b1f860@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <00c201c52951$f2a88f70$2da7ecdc@morris> G'Day all The we have arrived home safe from the National, covered 3200 km so it should get a Hell On Wheels tag if George has not claimed it as his own. Spent time with Edd Payne today and looked at his great American collection - Curt has started to replace his missing engines having bought a small R&V from Edd 8-)) It is time now for bed before the non engine part of their trip checking out Sydney, a full report later Kerry P.S. Their is no evidence that can be presented about any person being in any hot tub without any shorts. P.S.S Curt is tring to get his camera fixed some how a lot of pictures got deleted - strange ? but seems to be working OK now. > Hi all from the Holland's in Mildura. We are at Russell Gilbert's with > many beers and bottles of wine from the Naracoorte region behind us. We've > all got full bellies as Russell cooked a gourmet meal for us all. That > bloke can cook! The wine has apparently impaired the better judgement of > both Kerry and Russell as at the moment they have dropped their shorts and > hopped in the hot tub together. The rest of us couldn't bear the prospects > of what might be happening in the dark up there in the hot tub and > retreated to the viranda. They keep hollaring some shit about "true > Ozzies", whatever that implies. Their wives are drowning their sorrow at > the moment. > Gotta tell you I shit when I read about the unbelievable deals to be had > at the 8 day sale at some engine collector's in NC. THEN I read a little > closer only to find out that was my shit being sold off. Yeah thank heaps > Larry Sain and Oyster brothers. I owe you blokes big. Seeing as I have > nothing left in the engine sheds at home I might as well buy some engines > to send home. doG these blokes have some fine engines! There are > Crossley's, Tangey's, Hornsby's, Blackstone's as common as Maytag's here. > The big surprise at the National was the number of Hercules model S horse > and a halfs. Jotted down all the s/n's for you Glenn. > Thanks to wonderful host and tour guides Kerry and Ruth we have seen some > unbelievable private collections. The girder frame Hornsby Ackroyds are by > far the most stunning of engines. > Well it is time to wrap this email up as I have emptied this beer and it > is time for another. It's 10:30 pm on a Sunday night and we've been in the > sauce since early afternoon. It was over a 100?F today and the beer did go > down good! > Good night all. > Curt & Missy -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005 From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Mar 15 03:32:53 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:32:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Eagles are Back References: <001c01c52460$2be649e0$966e8645@carolina.rr.com><010401c52424$4c5b6d90$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa><1110331732.422e515419cdb@webmail.city-net.com><5.2.0.9.2.20050313215029.00b1f860@mail.ncable.com.au> <00c201c52951$f2a88f70$2da7ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <004501c52954$72646160$0301a8c0@Reg> Glad you enjoyed the trip. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Eagles are Back > G'Day all > The we have arrived home safe from the National, covered 3200 km so it > should get a Hell On Wheels tag if George has not claimed it as his own. > Spent time with Edd Payne today and looked at his great American > collection - Curt has started to replace his missing engines having bought a > small R&V from Edd 8-)) > > It is time now for bed before the non engine part of their trip checking out > Sydney, a full report later > > Kerry > > P.S. Their is no evidence that can be presented about any person being in > any hot tub without any shorts. > P.S.S Curt is tring to get his camera fixed some how a lot of pictures got > deleted - strange ? but seems to be working OK now. > > > > > > Hi all from the Holland's in Mildura. We are at Russell Gilbert's with > > many beers and bottles of wine from the Naracoorte region behind us. We've > > all got full bellies as Russell cooked a gourmet meal for us all. That > > bloke can cook! The wine has apparently impaired the better judgement of > > both Kerry and Russell as at the moment they have dropped their shorts and > > hopped in the hot tub together. The rest of us couldn't bear the prospects > > of what might be happening in the dark up there in the hot tub and > > retreated to the viranda. They keep hollaring some shit about "true > > Ozzies", whatever that implies. Their wives are drowning their sorrow at > > the moment. > > Gotta tell you I shit when I read about the unbelievable deals to be had > > at the 8 day sale at some engine collector's in NC. THEN I read a little > > closer only to find out that was my shit being sold off. Yeah thank heaps > > Larry Sain and Oyster brothers. I owe you blokes big. Seeing as I have > > nothing left in the engine sheds at home I might as well buy some engines > > to send home. doG these blokes have some fine engines! There are > > Crossley's, Tangey's, Hornsby's, Blackstone's as common as Maytag's here. > > The big surprise at the National was the number of Hercules model S horse > > and a halfs. Jotted down all the s/n's for you Glenn. > > Thanks to wonderful host and tour guides Kerry and Ruth we have seen some > > unbelievable private collections. The girder frame Hornsby Ackroyds are by > > far the most stunning of engines. > > Well it is time to wrap this email up as I have emptied this beer and it > > is time for another. It's 10:30 pm on a Sunday night and we've been in the > > sauce since early afternoon. It was over a 100?F today and the beer did go > > down good! > > Good night all. > > Curt & Missy > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Mar 15 04:04:22 2005 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:04:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Eagles have left Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050315222517.02663898@mail.ncable.com.au> G'day all, well I have had a day or two to recover from the big Sunday BBQ. I'm sure we all had a great time although the foreigners reckoned it was a little to warm for them. Around Sunday lunch time I picked up Kerry, Ruth, Curt & Missy and went for a nice cruise in my 68 Pontiac out to Wentworth for a look at a few engines and an old paddle steamer. I broke the ice with Curt and Missy by telling them you guys have had a yard sale on their behalf and managed to get $500 for the Abernaque. I thought Curt's jaw was gonna hit the ground for a second, :-) Just had to be there. Most interest seemed to be in the 22.5hp Petter our club has. Also in the big Ronnies (Ronaldson & Tippet) I think Curt would dearly love to take an Austral home with him. We got home around 5pm and thought it the perfect time to have a coldie! Started my monitor first before the Hornsby and Blackstone. Had all the girls in the shed with us with Missy doing her best to educate Carmel that is was cool for women to own engines too. I've already suggested that I would be more than happy to buy her 1 or 3. Not only that, Missy has also convinced Carmel that we should come to Portland as they don't just have engines but beer tasting and shopping days as well. Look out you guy's, we are come'n! Well a few more beers and a few more engine fumes and we decided it was getting to hot in the shed so off for a dip in the pool. Well a perfect night was upon us, Ruth picked the music, (Meat Loaf) Kerry grabbed a few more beers and Missy getting excited about the fact we were going to cook dinner. Well I cooked a BBQ. (with real food for those ozzies who think I only eat tin food) Cooked it in the dark with the help of Missy who said I should learn to do it by touch! mmmmmmmm Well I must have touched it well as it was alright. Whilst Curt looked on I thought it necessary to give Missy a few lessons on Ozzie grammar, She'll turn out a real bonza chick if she can keep it up. A couple of bottles of red and a bit of a sing song saw us all enjoying the night. Thought it a good time to knock up some pancakes and ice cream before some story telling etc. Next minute it was bloody late and time to call it a big fun day! Great fun this hobby, it's so much more than just playing with engines. All the people you meet along the way are a big part off what it's all about. Hope we left a good impression, I'm still giggling. By the way, what happened to the 2 burnt pancakes! Couldn't find them in the morning. PS: I'm glad I don't live to close to Kerry, he always leads me astray! Twice in two weeks! PSS: Curt and Kerry need to loose the Pommy cars they have and get some real muscle! Russell & Carmel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Mar 15 04:15:07 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:15:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off Message-ID: <031520051215.15102.4236D1CB0007E28500003AFE21979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Dave and rest of list, Don't know what you folks are talking about when it comes to stolen website,etc. Not me, hell I can barely figure out how to send pics and documents let alone build a website. I am just the simple fun loving engine collector/restorer many of you have met at Baraboo and Portland. Don't know about this Willem Andree person and his family and have NO relationships to them. Curt Andree McConnell, Ill. > andree--why the hell does that name seem so familiar? > Dave > > At 04:35 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote: > >http://www.andree-international.com/ > > > >Is the main site for these bozos. Looks like another stolen picture on > >the first page. I looked around and there are other pictures stolen from > >other sites as well. I guess they figure it is fine to steal. > > > > > >Steve Williams > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:11 PM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off > > > > > > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/images/listgen5.jpg > > > > > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg > > > > > > Hmmm, something stinks here! He's stealing photos and using them as > >"what > > > not to do". > > > > > > And he didn't even modify it! 81310 bytes exactly! > > > > > > So what's wrong with an install with NO idler?? > > > > > > I believe that setup looks fine for what it's intended for, and not > >just > > > saying that because it's a list member either. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > Looks like this is one of them...he didn't change the name of the > >file > > > > either... > > > > > > > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html > > > > > > > > Looks just like one on Steve's site at: > > > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > --- Jim French wrote: > > > > Hi Steve > > > > > > > > Perhaps if he suddenly had a whole lot of folks pointing out that > >material > > > > on his website was STOLEN, which doesn't give his general business a > >good > > > > image? > > > > Just let us know which pics they are .... > > > > > > > > Dolly > > > > > > > > Steve Gray wrote: > > > > > > > > Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English > > > > engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid > >family. > > > > > > > > Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things > >off > > > > my website for his commercial site. No permission, no > >correspondence, just > > > > grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad > >mouth" > > > > the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand > >he's > > > > grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with > >Lister > > > > based equipment. The website in question is > > > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jim French > > > > fbi at insulate.co.uk > > > > http://www.insulate.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SEL mailing list > > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Mar 15 04:36:58 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 04:36:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <42369F5C.9010707@comcast.net> References: 6667 <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42369F5C.9010707@comcast.net> Message-ID: <55269.165.206.180.118.1110890218.squirrel@antique-engines.com> The andree family (no relation to Curt, a better fellow) was chastising our list friend for having a setup with no idler on the belts. I say - it's not needed in his case. Does the alternator on your 1963 Chevy Impala have an idler? Is there an idler on the belts for your air compressor? There are times to and not to install an idler. And times where it's an option. I was just pointing out that in that photo, an idler was not needed for his application, contrary to what the other fellow was stating. There is no idler in the photo, and that fellow was saying there SHOULD be one. Bill > What idler?I'm serious. > > > bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > >>http://www.oldstylelisters.com/images/listgen5.jpg >> >>http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg >> >>Hmmm, something stinks here! He's stealing photos and using them as "what >>not to do". >> >>And he didn't even modify it! 81310 bytes exactly! >> >>So what's wrong with an install with NO idler?? >> >>I believe that setup looks fine for what it's intended for, and not just >>saying that because it's a list member either. >> >>Bill >> >> >> >> >>>Steve >>> >>>Looks like this is one of them...he didn't change the name of the file >>>either... >>> >>>http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html >>> >>>Looks just like one on Steve's site at: >>>http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg >>> >>>Steve >>>--- Jim French wrote: >>>Hi Steve >>> >>>Perhaps if he suddenly had a whole lot of folks pointing out that >>> material >>>on his website was STOLEN, which doesn't give his general business a >>> good >>>image? >>> Just let us know which pics they are .... >>> >>>Dolly >>> >>>Steve Gray wrote: >>> >>>Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English >>>engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid family. >>> >>>Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things off >>>my website for his commercial site. No permission, no correspondence, >>> just >>>grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad mouth" >>>the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand he's >>>grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with Lister >>>based equipment. The website in question is >>>http://www.oldstylelisters.com >>> >>> -- >>> Jim French >>> fbi at insulate.co.uk >>> http://www.insulate.co.uk >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Mar 15 04:38:43 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 04:38:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <031520051215.15102.4236D1CB0007E28500003AFE21979133630A0A9D0B020E090C @mchsi.com> References: <031520051215.15102.4236D1CB0007E28500003AFE21979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <55287.165.206.180.118.1110890323.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Don't worry - we know and have stated we know it's not you. Not only would you not take someone's photos, you are obviously smarter than the "other Andree". Bill > Dave and rest of list, > Don't know what you folks are talking about when it comes to stolen > website,etc. Not me, hell I can barely figure out how to send pics and > documents let alone build a website. I am just the simple fun loving > engine > collector/restorer many of you have met at Baraboo and Portland. Don't > know > about this Willem Andree person and his family and have NO relationships > to > them. > Curt Andree > McConnell, Ill. > > >> andree--why the hell does that name seem so familiar? >> Dave >> >> At 04:35 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote: >> >http://www.andree-international.com/ >> > >> >Is the main site for these bozos. Looks like another stolen picture on >> >the first page. I looked around and there are other pictures stolen >> from >> >other sites as well. I guess they figure it is fine to steal. >> > >> > >> >Steve Williams >> > >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: >> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:11 PM >> >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off >> > >> > >> > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/images/listgen5.jpg >> > > >> > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg >> > > >> > > Hmmm, something stinks here! He's stealing photos and using them as >> >"what >> > > not to do". >> > > >> > > And he didn't even modify it! 81310 bytes exactly! >> > > >> > > So what's wrong with an install with NO idler?? >> > > >> > > I believe that setup looks fine for what it's intended for, and not >> >just >> > > saying that because it's a list member either. >> > > >> > > Bill >> > > >> > > >> > > > Steve >> > > > >> > > > Looks like this is one of them...he didn't change the name of the >> >file >> > > > either... >> > > > >> > > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html >> > > > >> > > > Looks just like one on Steve's site at: >> > > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg >> > > > >> > > > Steve >> > > > --- Jim French wrote: >> > > > Hi Steve >> > > > >> > > > Perhaps if he suddenly had a whole lot of folks pointing out that >> >material >> > > > on his website was STOLEN, which doesn't give his general business >> a >> >good >> > > > image? >> > > > Just let us know which pics they are .... >> > > > >> > > > Dolly >> > > > >> > > > Steve Gray wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the >> English >> > > > engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid >> >family. >> > > > >> > > > Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting >> things >> >off >> > > > my website for his commercial site. No permission, no >> >correspondence, just >> > > > grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad >> >mouth" >> > > > the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand >> >he's >> > > > grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with >> >Lister >> > > > based equipment. The website in question is >> > > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Jim French >> > > > fbi at insulate.co.uk >> > > > http://www.insulate.co.uk >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > SEL mailing list >> > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > SEL mailing list >> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >SEL mailing list >> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Mar 15 04:40:02 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 04:40:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <42367242.4010400@earthlink.net> References: <200503150040.j2F0eeVP026285@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <42367242.4010400@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <55296.165.206.180.118.1110890402.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Jeff - see Paul P's message - seems they have a family site with a guestbook........... Enjoy! :-) Bill > Just sent these assholes an e-mail. Maybe I'll get a response and a real > contact e-mail that can be used to do some damage. They have pretty well > covered their ass to avoid what we would like to do. Great big pictures > that we could share with them in a well timed manner. Sure hope they > reply to Ben Dover. If so we can plan an attack. Not exactly a DOS but > damn close. Still thinking of other ways to **** these folks. It just > ain't right what they did. > > Jeff > > Bill Dickerson wrote: > >>Problem with that is that in Rob's case, the person was linking to pics >> on >>Rob's site - this case, they have actually "taken" a copy of the file and >>put it on their site. >>Rob could change the pic and his web site to display something not so >> nice >>when someone attempted to link from a different domain. >>In Rob's case, they stole bandwidth, not just the pic. >> >>Otherwise, I'd be thrilled to help........... Rob's solution was >> BRILLIANT! >> >>Bill >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp >>Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 5:47 PM >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off >> >>Just apply Rob's solution. Rename the picture on your site and change the >>reference on your page to match. Then put a nice porno shot of a >> 500-pounder >>on your server with the same filename as the original image. Bet he'll >> see >>the error of his ways. >> >>John Culp >>Bristol, Tennessee, USA >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From segray at mlode.com Mon Mar 14 23:03:00 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:03:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <4235D156.106C12EC@insulate.co.uk> References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> <4235D156.106C12EC@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <423688A4.2030903@mlode.com> Hi Dolly - I would think that would be a great idea. Apparently he's had this bad habit for quite a while, from what I'm told. Blowing his business out of the water just *might* get the point across. Luke has pin-pointed the "infraction" that deals with my site. No telling who the other files belong to. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Jim French wrote: >Hi Steve > >Perhaps if he suddenly had a whole lot of folks pointing out that material >on his website was STOLEN, which doesn't give his general business a good >image? >Just let us know which pics they are .... > >Dolly > >Steve Gray wrote: > > > >> Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English >>engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid family. >>Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things off >>my website for his commercial site. No permission, no correspondence, >>just grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad >>mouth" the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand >>he's grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with >>Lister based equipment. The website in question is >>http://www.oldstylelisters.com >> >> >> > >-- >Jim French >fbi at insulate.co.uk >http://www.insulate.co.uk > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From segray at mlode.com Mon Mar 14 23:03:07 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:03:07 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: 6667 <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <423688AB.3050008@mlode.com> Hi Bill - Personally, I have found nothing wrong (no slipping) with the setup as is. I would rather have the wood frame under it, too, versus his insistance to use steel rails and have to added rubber mounts. Most of the early iron was on wood! The guy sure didn't try very hard to hide his tracks! - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >http://www.oldstylelisters.com/images/listgen5.jpg > >http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg > >Hmmm, something stinks here! He's stealing photos and using them as "what >not to do". > >And he didn't even modify it! 81310 bytes exactly! > >So what's wrong with an install with NO idler?? > >I believe that setup looks fine for what it's intended for, and not just >saying that because it's a list member either. > >Bill > > > > From segray at mlode.com Mon Mar 14 23:03:16 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:03:16 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <007601c528dd$b521c5a0$121117d1@net.telenet.net> References: 6667 <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <007601c528dd$b521c5a0$121117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <423688B4.4040402@mlode.com> Looks like they've had a field day with my site! -Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Steve W. wrote: >http://www.andree-international.com/ > >Is the main site for these bozos. Looks like another stolen picture on >the first page. I looked around and there are other pictures stolen from >other sites as well. I guess they figure it is fine to steal. > > >Steve Williams > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:11 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off > > > > From segray at mlode.com Mon Mar 14 23:13:43 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:13:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <42367242.4010400@earthlink.net> References: <200503150040.j2F0eeVP026285@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <42367242.4010400@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42368B27.1070604@mlode.com> Wouldn't have been *quite* so bad, but after being "used" (along with all of Paul's hard work getting ripped, too) by that 'sissor bill' in the U.K. to produce "his" engine manuals for Ebay a while back, this didn't set too well with me. Especially as it's been pointed out, they didn't even bother to change the file names! The real thorn was their added comments! Just another reason I sometimes wonder why I even bother... Hope you DO get an answer, Jeff! - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Jeff Allen wrote: > Just sent these assholes an e-mail. Maybe I'll get a response and a > real contact e-mail that can be used to do some damage. They have > pretty well covered their ass to avoid what we would like to do. Great > big pictures that we could share with them in a well timed manner. > Sure hope they reply to Ben Dover. If so we can plan an attack. Not > exactly a DOS but damn close. Still thinking of other ways to **** > these folks. It just ain't right what they did. > > Jeff > From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Mar 15 05:05:05 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:05:05 EST Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off - wanna know who they really are? Message-ID: <6b.41186ab4.2f683781@aol.com> In a message dated 3/15/2005 3:53:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, pjp at steamengine.com.au writes: << This one has a guestbook... I think you all know what to do with it! >> I will a little guidance. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Mar 15 05:16:49 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:16:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Finished truck. References: <001f01c528f1$eff9c4c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Nice job as usual, John!! Is the price of steel as bizarre as it is here? An 8"x10" x 3/8's cost me close to 10 rockets...course the only supplier here has a monopoly. "Looking forward to seeing the M and compressor all mounted up" RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "Stat.eng.org" ; "SEL" Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: [SEL] Finished truck. > Hi All, > > Finished my new made engine truck today and to me it looks good. > It can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/finishedtruck.jpg > > When you like to see the whole cyclus how I did it, take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/truckmakingpage.htm > > Here will you see and read the idea I had in mind to constructing it. > My wife is happy by now, she has the man in the house again :o)) > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 15 05:20:35 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:20:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off References: <031520051215.15102.4236D1CB0007E28500003AFE21979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <006601c52961$c604d860$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Dave and rest of list, > Don't know what you folks are talking about when it comes to stolen > website,etc. Not me, hell I can barely figure out how to send pics and > documents let alone build a website. >>> Obviously not ! It was just teach givin us another pop quiz . Digging around in the links and it looks like that cat has been doing some pre tsunami missionary/ rescue work . But he's just trying to make a livin , the goofy gotta eat too Chuck http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Mar 15 07:09:40 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:09:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP In-Reply-To: <014001c52932$613e3ea0$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <14922289.1110855313089.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <010301c52919$170bd5e0$0301a8c0@Reg> <4236772D.6050401@fidnet.com> <014001c52932$613e3ea0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315100841.026dbe00@mail.alltel.net> The same as what (sometimes) up top is called a pipe clamp. Dave At 02:39 AM 3/15/2005, you wrote: >Its a long adjustable clamp used for making window frames. >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gary Epps" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:48 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > > > OK, Reg, just what is a "sash cramp"? :) Several images come to mind, > > but I will wait for you to enlighten me if you will. > > > > Gary > > > > Reg Ingold wrote: > > > Ive answered this with pics off list. > > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Jirik" > > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:55 PM > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > > > > > > > > > > >>Reg, > > >> > > >>I appreciate your help, but I need it spelled out a little better for >me! > > > > > > I'm just a stupid salesman so forgive my slow uptake. You made the > > > following statement in your earlier response: > > > > > >>"An awful lot can be achieved with a sash cramp and a few wood wedges." > > >> > > >> > > >>I don't know what a sash cramp is!! Maybe you can spell it out a little > > > > > > better for me- I would appreciate it > > > > > >>Thanks, > > >>Jim Jirik > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > -- > > In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move > > at a leisurely pace. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Mar 15 07:24:57 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:24:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP In-Reply-To: <014001c52932$613e3ea0$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <14922289.1110855313089.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net><010301c52919$170bd5e0$0301a8c0@Reg> <4236772D.6050401@fidnet.com> <014001c52932$613e3ea0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <4236FE49.6040608@fidnet.com> Thankyou, now it's clear. Gary Reg Ingold wrote: > Its a long adjustable clamp used for making window frames. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Epps" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > > >>OK, Reg, just what is a "sash cramp"? :) Several images come to mind, >>but I will wait for you to enlighten me if you will. >> >>Gary >> >>Reg Ingold wrote: >> >>>Ive answered this with pics off list. >>>Reg & Marg Ingold. >>>Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>>randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Jim Jirik" >>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:55 PM >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Reg, >>>> >>>>I appreciate your help, but I need it spelled out a little better for > > me! > >>>I'm just a stupid salesman so forgive my slow uptake. You made the >>>following statement in your earlier response: >>> >>> >>>>"An awful lot can be achieved with a sash cramp and a few wood wedges." >>>> >>>> >>>>I don't know what a sash cramp is!! Maybe you can spell it out a little >>> >>>better for me- I would appreciate it >>> >>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>Jim Jirik >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >>-- >>In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move >>at a leisurely pace. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Mar 15 07:54:04 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:54:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Pictures Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315104958.026e3770@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, The pictures that I took at the Zolfo show are now up on my HP. I've tried to capture the many various aspects of the show. I did not, however, take any pictures of the ~3a. of flea market. The Zolfo pictures can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2005/index.html Dave PS, Last years show (and others) can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html From jhcullom at adelphia.net Tue Mar 15 08:11:35 2005 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:11:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Pictures References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315104958.026e3770@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <00b101c52979$a970f0e0$6401a8c0@office> Hey, thanks for pics, Dave! Was this one the lawyer approved display? http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2005/MVC-575X.JPG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" > The pictures that I took at the Zolfo show are now up on my HP. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Mar 15 09:26:43 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:26:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Pictures References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315104958.026e3770@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the time and effort Dave!! Luv'd the pencil sharpener. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:54 AM Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Pictures > Hi All, > The pictures that I took at the Zolfo show are now up on my HP. I've tried > to capture the many various aspects of the show. I did not, however, take > any pictures of the ~3a. of flea market. The Zolfo pictures can be seen > at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2005/index.html > Dave > PS, Last years show (and others) can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 15 09:36:58 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:36:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Pictures In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315104958.026e3770@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200503151737.j2FHb2s6041810@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > The pictures that I took at the Zolfo show are now up > on my HP. I've tried > to capture the many various aspects of the show. I did not, > however, take > any pictures of the ~3a. of flea market. The Zolfo pictures > can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2005/index.html > Dave Hiya Dave, Thanks for sending the pictures. What's the big green engine that Lou Quirch showing? =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 15 09:49:46 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:49:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, I just went to their "Feedback" page at http://www.oldstylelisters.com/feedback.html and told them what I think of their practice of ripping folks off. I'd strongly encourage everyone on the list to do the same. BTW, that really is a gorgeous Lister you've done!! I'll give the scum this, they stole the prettiest engine out there. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 14 Mar 2005, Steve Gray wrote: > Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English > engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid family. > Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things off > my website for his commercial site. No permission, no correspondence, > just grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad > mouth" the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand > he's grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with > Lister based equipment. The website in question is > http://www.oldstylelisters.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Mar 15 08:29:27 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:29:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <009401c528e7$0df8e920$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: Here is a better picture of Curt: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-23.jpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ====================== >From: >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off >Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:42:07 -0600 > > > > > > andree--why the hell does that name seem so familiar? > > Dave > > > > >Stolen from Luke's piles of pics > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port00/port00dave_economy.jpg > >Curt Andree is the bearded chap behind the Galloway , and to your right , >cold drink , contented look. >Not the concerned look , thats Keith . > >Chuck ? From christison at coastalnet.com Tue Mar 15 10:08:18 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:08:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off Message-ID: <410-22005321518818281@coastalnet.com> I just noticed that they credit the photos to http://www.poweranand.com/ Was this site listed yesterday? I sure didn't notice it if it was. Do you suppose these were all originally ripped by the company that provides these engines? Take care. Ken From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 15 10:23:29 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:23:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] EXPLODED VIEW Message-ID: <008501c5298c$17347040$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> OK thats a start , only the names have been changed to protect the guilty http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm See ' failure ' on navigation bar . Got anything to add let me know . Chuck ? From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Mar 15 12:18:08 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:18:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Caught Up Message-ID: <42374300.AF2B200C@insulate.co.uk> Hi All I've caught up with Arnie, so I'm free to hurl insults at him again for his lax behaviour. Please feel free to join in! Astle Park 1000 Engine Rally 2002 is now on the web! http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/yank3.htm Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Mar 15 12:59:17 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:59:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <410-22005321518818281@coastalnet.com> References: <410-22005321518818281@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <59940.165.206.180.118.1110920357.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Considering they are in India, yeah. > I just noticed that they credit the photos to http://www.poweranand.com/ > Was this site listed yesterday? I sure didn't notice it if it was. Do > you > suppose these were all originally ripped by the company that provides > these engines? > > Take care. > > Ken > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Mar 15 13:30:55 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:30:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Finished truck. References: <001f01c528f1$eff9c4c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <001701c529a6$4564a1a0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Rick, it's also expensive here the adverage price is $4 per kilo new steel. I have several sources in my area and mostly I pay around $3. For non fero I go to a large scrap trader and find nice pieces for turning etc. For example I have at least 10 different dias stainless steel in 3 foot lenghts and I pay only the scrap price for it. Bronze and brass I pickup at a bronze foundry, tons of pieces that come from factories and it cost you scrap price, but all in all it cost money. Mounted the M at the truck today, looks really good. John H. > Nice job as usual, John!! Is the price of steel as bizarre as it is here? > An 8"x10" x 3/8's cost me close to 10 rockets...course the only supplier > here has a monopoly. > > "Looking forward to seeing the M and compressor all mounted up" > > RickinMt. From christison at coastalnet.com Tue Mar 15 13:37:02 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:37:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off Message-ID: <410-22005321521372671@coastalnet.com> Actually what I was getting at was they are trying to pass the buck. Ken > [Original Message] > From: > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 3/15/2005 4:24:34 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off > > Considering they are in India, yeah. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Mar 15 13:42:04 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:42:04 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Finished truck. References: <001f01c528f1$eff9c4c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <003301c529a7$d40bd670$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Thanks guys on and off list for the nice words and interest re the finished truck, it's very much appreciated. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Tue Mar 15 13:42:08 2005 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:42:08 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Finished truck. In-Reply-To: <001f01c528f1$eff9c4c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Hi John, You have done a great job. It is a credit to you and I reckon the 3 HP "M" will look real nice sitting on there. Please post photos when she is all together. Regards, Lyndsay in OZ. >From: "John Hammink" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stat.eng.org" , "SEL" > >Subject: [SEL] Finished truck. >Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:00:01 +0100 > >Hi All, > >Finished my new made engine truck today and to me it looks good. >It can be seen at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/finishedtruck.jpg > >When you like to see the whole cyclus how I did it, take a look at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/truckmakingpage.htm > >Here will you see and read the idea I had in mind to constructing it. >My wife is happy by now, she has the man in the house again :o)) > >John Hammink >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl >www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Mar 15 13:49:23 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:49:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Pictures In-Reply-To: <00b101c52979$a970f0e0$6401a8c0@office> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315104958.026e3770@mail.alltel.net> <00b101c52979$a970f0e0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315164805.0220bff8@mail.alltel.net> At 11:11 AM 3/15/2005, you wrote: >Hey, thanks for pics, Dave! Was this one the lawyer approved display? >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2005/MVC-575X.JPG It's my understanding that the guy who owned the display was from Down Under! I think that Reg knows his name! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Mar 15 13:51:11 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:51:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Pictures In-Reply-To: <200503151737.j2FHb2s6041810@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315104958.026e3770@mail.alltel.net> <200503151737.j2FHb2s6041810@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315165018.021e82a0@mail.alltel.net> At 12:36 PM 3/15/2005, you wrote: > > The pictures that I took at the Zolfo show are now up > > on my HP. I've tried > > to capture the many various aspects of the show. I did not, > > however, take > > any pictures of the ~3a. of flea market. The Zolfo pictures > > can be seen at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2005/index.html > > Dave > > >Hiya Dave, >Thanks for sending the pictures. What's the big green engine that Lou Quirch >showing? Hi Rob, I think it's a Jones. VERY nice running engine--complete w/pencil sharpener! Dave From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Mar 15 14:14:06 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:14:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off References: 6667 <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com><44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <423688AB.3050008@mlode.com> Message-ID: <01f801c529ac$b264ee80$0301a8c0@Reg> Here is what I sent them. "I must point out to you that taking and using material from orher websites without permission is NOT the right thing to do. As such, I will never have anything to do with your company. A LOT of other people feel the same as me on this.. Reg & Marg Ingold. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Mar 15 14:20:57 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:20:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Pictures References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315104958.026e3770@mail.alltel.net><00b101c52979$a970f0e0$6401a8c0@office> <6.1.2.0.0.20050315164805.0220bff8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002a01c529b0$4a3509e0$0301a8c0@Reg> Sadly, that fence was nowhere near strong enough for our lot!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Zolfo Pictures > At 11:11 AM 3/15/2005, you wrote: > >Hey, thanks for pics, Dave! Was this one the lawyer approved display? > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2005/MVC-575X.JPG > > It's my understanding that the guy who owned the display was from Down > Under! I think that Reg knows his name! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Mar 15 15:30:31 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:30:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Pictures References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315104958.026e3770@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <008901c529b6$faca5d40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Great pics Dave in that sunny land, looks good all those M's on display. Thanks for sharing, John H. > Hi All, > The pictures that I took at the Zolfo show are now up on my HP. I've tried > to capture the many various aspects of the show. I did not, however, take > any pictures of the ~3a. of flea market. The Zolfo pictures can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2005/index.html > Dave > PS, Last years show (and others) can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Mar 15 08:19:54 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:19:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP In-Reply-To: <410-220053114222349724@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Jim, In the middle of this web page it shows how I straightened a bent crankshaft. Yours will be harder as it's bigger but it will give you some ideas hopefully. A dial indicator would be needed to straighten out your crank if it is bent. A cheap dial indicator and magnetic base can be bought off Ebay. I picked one up off there and have been satisfied with the results. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/marine/marine.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============================ >From: "Jim Jirik" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP >Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:23:49 -0600 > >I'm new to this so maybe you can help me further. I thought it was bent, >but also thought it would be pretty hard to bend a shaft that big. It >wobbles enough that the engine doesn't sit still when it's running. How >does one go about straightening the shaft?????? > >Jim From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Mar 15 16:59:57 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:59:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4237850D.2080608@earthlink.net> Hi all, Think we did some good. Check the link now. http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html Jeff Allen PS. Scanned their ports tonight. Average hacker won't get in. Sigh! Luke Tonneberger wrote: > I'm guessing this is the page as it looks very framiliar. > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ==================== > >> From: Jim French >> >> Just let us know which pics they are .... >> >> Dolly >> >> -- >> Jim French >> fbi at insulate.co.uk >> http://www.insulate.co.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From segray at mlode.com Tue Mar 15 12:51:25 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:51:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> Message-ID: <42374ACD.5010100@mlode.com> Hi Arnie - You silver tongued devil, you! ;-) I just received this from the culprits: ************* Dear Steve, Our Company received this feedback form our website this morning in regards to some pictures that are displayed on the website. We had no idea that our customers sent us pictures from your website and we truly apologize for this misunderstanding. We have visited your website today and would like your permission to display these photo?s and add a link to your website as well. We also offer Free web hosting for people such as yourself to help keep these beautiful old engines alive. Please let us know as to your feelings on the matter, Thank you, The Old Style Listers Team (original message from fero_ah at city-net.com hidden) ************* Now all of a sudden it's somebody else's doing; that they weren't the ones grabbing other's files?? Hmmmmmm.... Seems to me they should have checked first BEFORE posting. OK, so what's the general feeling? Should they be allowed to continue, WITH credits, or rough it without the files? After their earlier comments, I'm not a happy camper. I intend to respond to the email above and let them know where I'm coming from on the matter. I think basically, their response to that will decide what happens. Thanks, Arnie, for stirrin' 'em up (and the kind comments)! :-) - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Steve, > >I just went to their "Feedback" page at >http://www.oldstylelisters.com/feedback.html >and told them what I think of their practice of ripping folks off. > >I'd strongly encourage everyone on the list to do the same. > >BTW, that really is a gorgeous Lister you've done!! I'll give the >scum this, they stole the prettiest engine out there. 8-)) > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 15 17:28:17 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:28:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050316012817.74739.qmail@web31304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jim, I would figure it is just a bearing problem. The FBM ZC 52 that I traded off had one bad bearing. It was the side that had the heavy clutch pulley and had spent years belted up to an oil well in Texas. That one flywheel whould hop around and wobble so much that the whole engine would take off at a good fast walking speed across the yard. Jumping and bucking like that it was a real challenge to shut it down without it landing on my feet. I was going to fix it, but then I figured that if I went to all that trouble I still would have a boring, enclosed crank, throttle governed engine that I didn't like. When I found a guy that wanted it in trade for a nice, hot, Webster mag and bracket for my 1918, 1-1/2HP, H&M Hercules E I was glad to trade it off. Download a catalog from HitnMiss, Find the item number for your bearing and see if that fixes things. IMHO it should. 1/16 inch is a wobble. That is just a flinch. You would have got really excited if you were as close as I was to my raging beast. After I got it shut down I grabbed that clutch pulley and I could lift it at least a half inch because of the slop. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- Jim Jirik wrote: > I took a tape to the flywheels and measured between them in different positions. At most places > it measured 17-1/4", but there was a place that it was 1/16th more. Is that enough to assume a > bent shaft? And to let you know, it is only the one flywheel that wobbles. The other seems to > run true. > > Jim Jirik > > -----Original Message----- > From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net > Sent: Mar 14, 2005 4:56 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > > . > > If you doubt the ability of the wheel to take the stress, dont do it. > > The shafts are mostly mild steel and, if it bent cold, it will come back > > cold too. If you apply heat, it will bend in a new spot. It changes things > > so much, that without a huge press, you will go nowhere . > > > > Yes ! You get to rap it smartly with a pein ! > > If the mains are worn enough > the con rod could push the crank to and fro , up and down . > the flywheels would appear to wobble , (actually jump around and > ammer )but not just ONE of them > Both wheels will have to flop around before it could be considerd to have > anything to do with bearings . > You want to prove it to yourself ? take a tape measure and measure > between the wheels, roll the motor around > 180 degrees and measure again . the numbers will be different if the crank > is bent . > One of the things I carry a tape at swaps for is to watch for bent cranks . > They throw em off the truck onto the ground > at thats it . Enjoy your new toy . > > > Chuck ? > http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Mar 15 17:28:41 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:28:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <4237850D.2080608@earthlink.net> References: <4237850D.2080608@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <28d5a1f2763f85ce63d4a56f4700b926@chartertn.net> > Think we did some good. Check the link now. > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html I like that muffler shown on that one. I've done some looking for one like that with 1 1/2" NPT threads, but haven't found one. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 15 18:29:31 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:29:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Frank Eddy's death In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050316022931.50701.qmail@web31309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Judy, Please note that you have our most sincere condolences. I remember well the sudden shock when one of my favorite uncles seemed in good health then just died one day at work. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- eddy93 wrote: > Hi! This is Frank's wife Judy. I just wanted to let the list know that > Frank died this afternoon at work. We don't know what happened. They are > going to do an autopsy. He so enjoyed talking with all of you. I know he > would want you to know. I will list details of his funeral when I know > more. Judy Eddy > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From eddy93 at iowatelecom.net Tue Mar 15 20:35:25 2005 From: eddy93 at iowatelecom.net (eddy93) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:35:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Frank's funeral Message-ID: <001601c529e1$995d5be0$aa634245@yourpd3mh0abgs> Visitation will be from 1 - 8:00, with the family there at 6-8:00 on Thursday evening. Funeral is at 1:30 with burial at Numa Cemetery. Food to follow at our home - 23565 210th Ave. Centerville, IA 52544. The visitation and funeral will be at Schmidt Family Funeral Home, Centerville, Iowa 52544. You may find his obituary at Schmidt Family Funeral Home.com if you are interested. Thank you all for your prayers and thoughts. Please feel free to email anytime. Judy From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 07:55:14 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:55:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315100841.026dbe00@mail.alltel.net> References: <14922289.1110855313089.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <010301c52919$170bd5e0$0301a8c0@Reg> <4236772D.6050401@fidnet.com> <014001c52932$613e3ea0$0301a8c0@Reg> <6.1.2.0.0.20050315100841.026dbe00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f602516050315075564f61f3@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:09:40 -0500, Dave Rotigel wrote: > The same as what (sometimes) up top is called a pipe clamp. > Dave A sash cramp per se is a long steel bar (1.25" X 1/4") with drilled holes in at regular intervals, say 2", and two moveable jaws, usually with threaded jaw grip/tightening screws on one jaw, the other is not adjustable, fitted with pins and holes, so you can adjust the length coarsely with the pins in the long steel backbone part and then tighten up finely with the screw jaw grips Have a look at a decent quality version (Record Tools) on: http://www.tool-net.co.uk/data/index.php?ToolID=319818 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From segray at mlode.com Tue Mar 15 21:48:40 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:48:40 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <4237850D.2080608@earthlink.net> References: <4237850D.2080608@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4237C8B8.1050100@mlode.com> Hi Jeff and All - I know of at least 3 messages sent to these people and I get the impression now that they think they stirred up a hornet's net. Good in my view! They replied to me this afternoon and have pulled everything of mine down (I haven't checked yet) and apologized all over the place. I simply told them to check their sources more thoroughly before posting. Since this seems to be the end of this saga, I want to say thanks to all for the comments, concern and effort put out by this family of ours. Thank you folks!!! The SEL shows it's true colors again!! :-) - Best regards, Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > Think we did some good. Check the link now. > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html > > Jeff Allen > > PS. Scanned their ports tonight. Average hacker won't get in. Sigh! > > Luke Tonneberger wrote: > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 04:19:05 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:19:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT: New toy collection (milling machine) Message-ID: <6f6025160503160419448055e8@mail.gmail.com> After a few weeks waiting for the weather to dry up and improve, we went to Coventry yesterday and collected the Beaver Turret Mill and brought it home. It turns out to be 40Int taper rather than 30Int but we already have some of that size tooling for the other machines. A few reduced size pictures are up at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/ward/beaver1.jpg through to http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/ward/beaver5.jpg Full resolution versions for those on DSL (3.5mb each ) are at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/ward/DSC05688.jpg through to http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/ward/DSC05692.jpg Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Mar 16 06:52:22 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:52:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Zolfo Pictures In-Reply-To: <200503161100.j2GB08Bt016270@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: > 17. Zolfo Pictures (Dave Rotigel) >Message: 17 >Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:54:04 -0500 >From: Dave Rotigel >Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Pictures >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315104958.026e3770 at mail.alltel.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >Hi All, > The pictures that I took at the Zolfo show are now up on my HP. I've tried >to capture the many various aspects of the show. I did not, however, take >any pictures of the ~3a. of flea market. The Zolfo pictures can be seen at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2005/index.html > Dave >PS, Last years show (and others) can be seen at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html Thanks for the cool pictures. Is that gray colored apparatus that looks like a Pump-jack a gas engine of some kind? I've never seen anything like it. I never thought anything about the pump-jack with the fence until someone made a comment about it. We have oil wells in S. Indiana and they often have little fences around them unless they are out in the woods. I guess the fence keeps livestcok & people away. I never thought about lawyer shielding when I first looked at the pic From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 16 06:59:32 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:59:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <42374ACD.5010100@mlode.com> References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> <42374ACD.5010100@mlode.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, > You silver tongued devil, you! ;-) I just received this from the culprits: heh-heh-heh. I have been referred to as a cunning linguist a time or two. 8-)) My feeling would be the same as Dolly's. If someone asked if they could use my engine pics on their page with attribution, I'd say "Fine, have at it." These folks do sell Caste Iron Currey Listers which are, in some cases, an "entry engine" into the hobby. So, on the one hand, the pics of your beautiful restorations may help them sell engines. On the other hand, those same pics, and the others on your website, and the links to other websites with engines may lead someone deep into our hobby when they didn't know that it even existed. I think these guys responded appropriately and quickly to the negative feedback they received. They took down the pics, they contacted you and apologized, and they've asked your permission to use your pics with attribution. I'd call that a win all around. The only other thing they could do would be to offer one of their Caste Iron Currey Listers as a donation to the SEL Charity Auction. Maybe set it up as a running exhibit at Portland. Couldn't hurt to mention it. They would probably sell quite a few as a result. 8-)) And they probably don't even know that Portland exists. My vote is to contact them and give permission to use your pics with attribution and a link to your website. I think they should also put in a link to Peter Forbes' Lister diesel info. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com > Now all of a sudden it's somebody else's doing; that they weren't the > ones grabbing other's files?? Hmmmmmm.... Seems to me they should have > checked first BEFORE posting. > OK, so what's the general feeling? Should they be allowed to > continue, WITH credits, or rough it without the files? After their > earlier comments, I'm not a happy camper. I intend to respond to the > email above and let them know where I'm coming from on the matter. I > think basically, their response to that will decide what happens. > Thanks, Arnie, for stirrin' 'em up (and the kind comments)! :-) > -- > Steve Gray From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Mar 16 06:59:57 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:59:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Cast Iron repair Message-ID: Thanks for the tips on cast iron repair. I knew that I was asking the right folks. There were some really creative ways to disguise the repair for a casting which will not be painted. For my situation some ideas are more helpful than others. I'm working with a 100 year old casting and it is quite rough. The pits are pretty deep and my needle scaler wouldn't begin to make those kind of dents. The scaler did do a good job on the brass repaired area though. I had to make sure to only make light passes over the brass and to heavier work over the cast. I will apply a coat of paint over what I have done so far and evaluate the results. I really like the idea of using epoxy (JB Weld) to create a textured surface. I'll let you know how things work out. From George_Best at adp.com Wed Mar 16 08:03:43 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:03:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF12A335@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> I've been following this thread and must say that Steve's genset photo was way better than the replacement picture they used. It's easy to see why they used Steve's photo. Was interesting that they didn't comment on their customer not using a belt tensioner (or at least one isn't visible in the photo). It's Steve's choice, but it sounds like they are willing to make things right. WAIT George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Jeff Allen > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 5:00 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off > > Hi all, > > Think we did some good. Check the link now. > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html > > Jeff Allen From segray at mlode.com Wed Mar 16 08:31:48 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:31:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> <42374ACD.5010100@mlode.com> Message-ID: <42385F74.6080602@mlode.com> Hi Arnie - My thoughts exactly. As it turns out, though I did (cautiously) give them the go-ahead to use my stuff, they decided it better to pull everything down and to start over with a clean slate. After their reply to my original response, they have since emailed me again after obviously poring over my website. I kind of get the impression it surprised them. What is interesting is what I hear from my "informant" buddy who also owns an engine business, that these Andree people have never owned or even started a Lister/Listeroid. They allegedly have a very strong habit of "expanding" the truth about individual sales, in some cases those not even being brokered by their own firm. As a final note, both he and the wife have been permanently booted from Ebay for their past dealings. Sounds like a real Jeckle and Hyde syndrome to me. I think it's probably better to hold off putting any links to their site on my links page. ;-) TTYL -Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Steve, > > > >>You silver tongued devil, you! ;-) I just received this from the culprits: >> >> > >heh-heh-heh. I have been referred to as a cunning linguist a time or two. >8-)) > >My feeling would be the same as Dolly's. If someone asked if they could >use my engine pics on their page with attribution, I'd say "Fine, have at >it." These folks do sell Caste Iron Currey Listers which are, in some >cases, an "entry engine" into the hobby. So, on the one hand, the >pics of your beautiful restorations may help them sell engines. On the >other hand, those same pics, and the others on your website, and the links >to other websites with engines may lead someone deep into our hobby when >they didn't know that it even existed. > >I think these guys responded appropriately and quickly to the negative >feedback they received. They took down the pics, they contacted you and >apologized, and they've asked your permission to use your pics with >attribution. I'd call that a win all around. The only other thing they >could do would be to offer one of their Caste Iron Currey Listers as a >donation to the SEL Charity Auction. Maybe set it up as a running >exhibit at Portland. Couldn't hurt to mention it. They would >probably sell quite a few as a result. 8-)) And they probably don't even >know that Portland exists. > >My vote is to contact them and give permission to use your pics with >attribution and a link to your website. I think they should also put in a >link to Peter Forbes' Lister diesel info. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > > From nick at holden1.net Mon Mar 14 11:43:28 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:43:28 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Cast iron repair References: Message-ID: <4235E960.000001.03268@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Andy wen i have any cast iron to repair i always weld it using cast rods with gas or arc and always use a ball peen hammer on it wen cooling to relive the stress to stop it cracking then shot blast the part it will then look like the rest with luck !!! nick Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) -------Original Message------- From: Andy Glines Date: 03/14/05 19:20:41 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Cast iron repair The repair I'm doing is actually for my steam engine but it seems like an appropriate subject for the engine list. I have a couple of broken or cracked castings to be repaired. I can braze to do the repair but the repaired area sticks out like a sore thumb next to the original surface which is quite rough and pitted. For the repair I ground a V where the crack was and also the surrounding area to shiny metal, After brazing I ground the brass flush with the base metal. Using a ball peen hammer, punches, & my needle scaler I attempted to recreate the pits in the cast iron. Things went pretty well. I may need to beat on it a little more to camoflage the repair. Has anyone else doen this? How did you do it? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 09:30:34 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:30:34 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <42385F74.6080602@mlode.com> References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> <42374ACD.5010100@mlode.com> <42385F74.6080602@mlode.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605031609304ef575d8@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:31:48 -0800, Steve Gray wrote: > Hi Arnie - > > My thoughts exactly. As it turns out, though I did (cautiously) give > them the go-ahead to use my stuff, they decided it better to pull > everything down and to start over with a clean slate. After their reply > to my original response, they have since emailed me again after > obviously poring over my website. I kind of get the impression it > surprised them. What is interesting is what I hear from my "informant" > buddy who also owns an engine business, that these Andree people have > never owned or even started a Lister/Listeroid. They allegedly have a > very strong habit of "expanding" the truth about individual sales, in > some cases those not even being brokered by their own firm. As a final > note, both he and the wife have been permanently booted from Ebay for > their past dealings. Sounds like a real Jeckle and Hyde syndrome to me. > I think it's probably better to hold off putting any links to their site > on my links page. ;-) > > TTYL > > -Steve Unfortunately there has grown up a largish trade in Indian-built copies of Lister and Petter engines, all or most of which have questionable quality and lineage. This hasn't stopped a large number being sold here as 'biodiesel-ready' when in fact they are anything but. The use of 'Lister' in the adverts on the website quite freely in respect of the engines is also something that should be stopped, as they bear no relation at all to the original engines other than their size and general shape. While I appreciate Arnie's thoughts behind suggesting a link to our website, I would prefer not to in this case as I wouldn't want to lend my name to this operation, which is questionable in every sense of the word. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Wed Mar 16 10:03:05 2005 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:03:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Flyball on EBay Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A703E2BDA9@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Check this out, sports fans. Anyone need a flyball governor? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=750018 3348&rd=1 or http://tinyurl.com/3nsqb Vintage govenor, found in barn, balls, gears, slide mechinism good, all parts move, sold as is. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 16 10:08:02 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:08:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <42385F74.6080602@mlode.com> References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> <42374ACD.5010100@mlode.com> <42385F74.6080602@mlode.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Steve Gray wrote: > What is interesting is what I hear from my "informant" > buddy who also owns an engine business, that these Andree people have > never owned or even started a Lister/Listeroid. Gee, I don't think we should hold THAT against 'em. I think there are experts in the hobby who, for example, have never taken an engine to a show. It doesn't appear to have lessened their contribution. > They allegedly have a > very strong habit of "expanding" the truth about individual sales, in > some cases those not even being brokered by their own firm. So these "sales figures" might be phony? Whoda thunk it!! http://www.oldstylelisters.com/special_announcements.html > As a final > note, both he and the wife have been permanently booted from Ebay for > their past dealings. Fact or hearsay? BTW does anyone know if Mike Montrieth (sp?) is still in the business of importing and selling Caste Iron Currey Listers? He might be a good independent check on the reputation of these "Old Style Lister Engine" folks. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From George_Best at adp.com Wed Mar 16 10:37:54 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:37:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Flyball on EBay Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF12A44C@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Looks like a steam engine governor to me. Nice looking tho..... WAIT George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Bruce Younger > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:03 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Flyball on EBay > > Check this out, sports fans. Anyone need a flyball governor? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&i > tem=750018 > 3348&rd=1 > > or http://tinyurl.com/3nsqb > > Vintage govenor, found in barn, balls, gears, slide mechinism > good, all parts move, sold as is. > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: > > This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the > property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential > and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or > entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the > named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you > have received this message in error, please notify the sender > at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from > your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, > forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly > prohibited. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Mar 16 10:46:30 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:46:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF12A459@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Here's another Listeroid website from Washington state. http://utterpower.com/listeroi.htm This website also has a link to Steve's Lister, but at least gives Steve credit. Seems that this person also has used/worked with these engines. WAIT George Ps... The George B on the above website is not me! From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 12:25:19 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:25:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> <42374ACD.5010100@mlode.com> <42385F74.6080602@mlode.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605031612257d227624@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:08:02 -0500 (EST), Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Steve, > BTW does anyone know if Mike Montrieth (sp?) is still in the business of > importing and selling Caste Iron Currey Listers? He might be a good > independent check on the reputation of these "Old Style Lister Engine" > folks. > > See ya, Arnie I think that would be Montieth if my memory is correct. He had a sales thing going for the Indian Listers as well. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From segray at mlode.com Wed Mar 16 13:08:59 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:08:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> <42374ACD.5010100@mlode.com> <42385F74.6080602@mlode.com> Message-ID: <4238A06B.5080801@mlode.com> Hi Arnie - >On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Arnie Fero wrote: > > >>Gee, I don't think we should hold THAT against 'em. I think there are >>experts in the hobby who, for example, have never taken an engine to a >>show. It doesn't appear to have lessened their contribution. >> Absolutely true. But, I would think that would deminish some of their credibility as far as them being able to say "We build complete Lister "Listeroid" Generator Systems...". That's not to say they don't have other people involved doing the design work. >So these "sales figures" might be phony? Whoda thunk it!! >http://www.oldstylelisters.com/special_announcements.html > > That's what's being implied, anyway. >Fact or hearsay? > > No facts on paper, but the Ebay status situation comes from 2 different sources. Again, it's at minimum, a good reason for me to raise a red flag until I know for sure. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com From segray at mlode.com Wed Mar 16 13:16:35 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:16:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF12A459@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF12A459@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Message-ID: <4238A233.6080300@mlode.com> Yep. He not only asked, but I had a bit of a part in getting his ideas going for his business. It's one of his gen heads I have on my trailer today. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com George Best wrote: >Here's another Listeroid website from Washington state. > >http://utterpower.com/listeroi.htm > >This website also has a link to Steve's Lister, but at least gives Steve >credit. > >Seems that this person also has used/worked with these engines. > >WAIT George > >Ps... The George B on the above website is not me! > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Mar 16 14:07:22 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:07:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> <42374ACD.5010100@mlode.com> <42385F74.6080602@mlode.com> Message-ID: <4b0189426bff7bb1d5dad7e584fbd4cc@chartertn.net> AFAIK he's still selling 'em. Here's a recent E-mail address for him: mdmo at rfci.net On Mar 16, 2005, at 1:08 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > BTW does anyone know if Mike Montrieth (sp?) is still in the business > of > importing and selling Caste Iron Currey Listers? He might be a good > independent check on the reputation of these "Old Style Lister Engine" > folks. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Mar 16 14:55:15 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:55:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com><42374ACD.5010100@mlode.com><42385F74.6080602@mlode.com> <4b0189426bff7bb1d5dad7e584fbd4cc@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <00a601c52a7b$3e09c9a0$0301a8c0@Reg> If I remember rightly, wasnt there some worry about them not meeting emmission controls? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Mike Montieth" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off > AFAIK he's still selling 'em. Here's a recent E-mail address for him: > mdmo at rfci.net From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Mar 16 15:46:48 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:46:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Now Listeroid Emissions Rules (Was Website Ripoff) In-Reply-To: <00a601c52a7b$3e09c9a0$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com><42374ACD.5010100@mlode.com><42385F74.6080602@mlode.com> <4b0189426bff7bb1d5dad7e584fbd4cc@chartertn.net> <00a601c52a7b$3e09c9a0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <098cbf335291a9141744ca691b844798@chartertn.net> Yes. In 1999, when Mike Montieth was the only guy importing them, he faced a lot of hassle with the EPA. They really didn't quite know what to do with them, but there was a big agency push to crack down on Diesel emissions. They finally agreed to let him bring some in as he told them they were primarily for engine collectors, but they said he couldn't bring any in after January 1, 2000. Dolly came in a batch that arrived shortly before that. Mike got his contacts to hurry up and send some certified as made before 1/1/00, which arrived in May 2000 as I recall, and they were to be the last. Sometime since, someone got the EPA to allow them to come in with a certification that they were for stationary use and would not be put in any vehicle for some period of time, and apparently that's the current situation. John On Mar 16, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Reg Ingold wrote: > If I remember rightly, wasnt there some worry about them not meeting > emmission controls? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Wed Mar 16 17:26:06 2005 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:26:06 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Oz National Report Message-ID: <20050317012606.96792.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com> Oz National Report Finally I can take down the Heyfield (Oz National 2003) rally photo that's been on the fridge for 2 years and replace it with the good looking bunch from 2005! The weather was OK, a tad on the hot side. Apparantly quite hot on Friday, then hot and windy with dust on Saturday. Sunday was a bit overcast thus cooler and the wind had gone. It was the nicest day. We'd had our accomodation booked for 2 years, a nice cabin in the bush on top of the limestone caves area, about 10Km from the rally site. On the way over, we heard that the only available accomodation was at Casterton about 130Km south! A nice town Naracoorte. Not the first time we've been there, but plenty of local history, classic SA limestone buildings, caves, the reclaimed mid-town cemetry now a public park with some nice railway stuff on display. Several shops in town with window display's supporting the rally (Menswear shop - a couple of engines and oil boxes in the window with clothes draped over, the Kodak shop and the Travel Agency). We unloaded on Friday then took off on a tour of the South-East. Everyone in the SE seemed to know about the rally. We were telling everyone we met why we were here and always received friendly favourable responses. We liked Penola, centre of the Coonawarra wine district and a nice town, I could live in Penola! Millicent has a great Museum, some un-identified engines and I was able to sketch up and measure the battery ignition parts to repro for my famous. It's amazing what you find in unexpected places. Beachport (on the coast) was nice, visibly changed only a little in the 17 years since we were there last. We had a swim in the 7-times saltier salt lake. Quite weird, you just cannot sink. Sadly though, real estate inflation is said to be squeezing out the locals, some even finding rates difficult to pay. City money spoiling these lovely areas. It's a bit sad, but no simple answer unfortunately. Some nice models (engine models) on display at the rally. The chap I spoke to knows Reg and said he expected Reg would be there, I said I thought not so it seems Ol' Reg was certainly missed. Curt & Missy and Nick Lozzi were sweating it out in the 40C heat after coming from snow piled up at the windows at home! I was quietly amused, but kept in mind that 2 foot of snow for months at a time would soon sort us out too. It was good to meet up with them. Kerry kindly arranged the SEL photo. Nick was a bit disappointed with the relatively few F&J's on show. I too was hoping the rare water cooled pumper and a few DE's would be there. I think SA was maybe the biggest importer of F&J to Oz. A herc owner told me "that" bloke called "Karcher" was about somewhere collecting Herc S/N's, I later realised it was probably Curt on Glenn's behalf. There were more Hercs than F&J's there. "Pin striping is easier that you think" said the owner of the best 2-pack concours engine there (a Herc 1-1/2). The owner is an auto spray painter so it's just another job for him, I guess. I missed videoing his engine running, but caught him wiping it down with a sponge and hot soapy water. That was an impressive sight. Certainly makes my 2-coat brush enamel jobs look average! Other list members at the Rally I met up with - Alan Johno (only a walk from home), Mick, Dave Nicko, Lindsay, Kerry, Steve K, Brian. (Pls tell me if I've forgotten anyone - not intentional, I'll make amends!). Various magneto's and a few engines for sale in the compounds. The rally auction was cancelled for some reason. No SEL compound this year unfortunately. Maybe we need a banner in each representing country. Perhaps we should be acting more like a "club" (but without club politics - is that possible?) and a bit more organizing, Great to say, but who'd do it. It would have to be a shared responsibility. I reckon many would benefit by visiting an SEL compound and "signing up" because we have the internet as our basic tool. I'd estimate a majority of club members in Oz clubs have no knowledge of how the internet (SEL) can be so useful. That's probably because a lot of members are older blokes who collected engines when they were $5. Kerry was doing a great job tour guiding Curt & Missy. On Sunday travelling back east via Russell's place, Wentworth clubrooms and Big Lizzy. A lot of good stuff missed in SA, but as always time and logistics make it difficult. Pinnaroo, Murray Bridge, Tailem Bend and Mannum are 4 good museums missed out on that come to mind. Nick was travelling more independently, but also missed seeing more collections. A hire car would have been a great idea. I was a bit disapointed in the responses from people when I asked about getting a ride east for Nick. Not as "Ozzie" as I would have liked - gee, I hope "we" aren't changing. I think he sorted out a ride though. Big engines on show included a 50HP Kynoch, 60HP Crossley, 30HP Ronnie and a 3-cyl Blackstone and some large hot-air engines. Unusual engines like a 14HP waterloo boy and a side-crank crossley, and some creative engine-driven displays like the dog weeing in some boots! I took all video, for my club library, but there should be plenty of still photo's coming up soon. Overall, I thought a good turn up of engines/tractors, not much steam. Quite a few empty compounds, but that may be a reflection of wise planning rather than numbers. The site security was commendably tight. We were unable to unload at 6PM on Thursday and had to wait until 7AM Friday. A slightly better through-flow of exhibitors unloading to avoid in/out using the same gate is all I'd say needed improvement. Graham in Oz Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 16 17:46:02 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:46:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] "New" Engine Hauler Message-ID: <20050317014602.92885.qmail@web31314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ya Hoo Folks. I just got a great deal on a 1991 Dodge 3/4 ton pickup with a Cummins Turbo Diesel. Just over 72,000 actual miles. It came out of southern Texas last year so there is no rust. It has had a seat cover and a bed liner since new. The Cat. III Reese hitch is there too. 8>)) Now I will have room to bring a couple engines down to Portland and still have room to take a couple extras back with me. 8>)))) Anyone got an extra 1991 Texas license plate I can hang on the front of a very pretty red truck? A very happy, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From keebler at ptd.net Wed Mar 16 18:21:41 2005 From: keebler at ptd.net (Frank Y) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:21:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Frank Eddy's death Message-ID: <01dc01c52a98$134965a0$bd2dee18@ptdprolog.net> Just read Judy's post and I am terribly saddened by her and the family's loss. I purchased 2 engines from Frank in 2004 but unfortunately never got to know him very well. The times that I talked with him he was exceptionally friendly. I wish I had gotten to meet him but distance from him stopped that. 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Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date: 3/1/05 From rexhinz at chorus.net Wed Mar 16 19:12:40 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:12:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] "New" Engine Hauler References: <20050317014602.92885.qmail@web31314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001301c52a9f$307c8240$0e86a5d8@mycomputer> Alan; I'm sure you will be happy with the cummings preformance and fuel mileage , I be the tire man at Skinner Transfer corp. in Reedsburg Wi. , my tire service truck is a one ton Dodge with a cummings and it gets better mileage then my 1500 Ram 318 V8 , congradulations one your wise pirchase Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:46 PM Subject: [SEL] "New" Engine Hauler > Ya Hoo Folks. > > I just got a great deal on a 1991 Dodge 3/4 ton pickup with a Cummins Turbo Diesel. > Just over 72,000 actual miles. > It came out of southern Texas last year so there is no rust. > It has had a seat cover and a bed liner since new. > The Cat. III Reese hitch is there too. 8>)) > > Now I will have room to bring a couple engines down to Portland and still have room to take a > couple extras back with me. 8>)))) > > Anyone got an extra 1991 Texas license plate I can hang on the front of a very pretty red truck? > > A very happy, > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Mar 16 20:00:22 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:00:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mike Montieth's Still Around Message-ID: <3f3748c21480e110d96ddf82b52f5512@chartertn.net> I copied that message about Mike to him and got a reply off-List. Here's an excerpt: Hi John, I'm still here. I just got in another load of the GM-90 series Listeroids. I've sold a bunch of them but I still have 37 left. I don't deal with the "African Market" engines, sandboxes are for the kiddies and the kittys. The GM-90 is an improved model with true oil pressure to the rod, not splash. It also has the counterweighted crank, a water pump, cylinder liner, and tapered roller bearings. Mike's E-mail: mdmo at rfci.net John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Mar 16 20:52:32 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:52:32 EST Subject: [SEL] Frank's funeral Message-ID: <36.6ebadd6b.2f6a6710@aol.com> In a message dated 03/15/2005 8:56:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, eddy93 at iowatelecom.net writes: Schmidt Family Funeral Home, Centerville, Iowa 52544. Frank Eddy's obituary is available on the following web site. _http://www.schmidtfamilyfuneralhome.com/Obituaries/f-eddy.htm_ (http://www.schmidtfamilyfuneralhome.com/Obituaries/f-eddy.htm) Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Mar 16 22:17:15 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:17:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Now Listeroid Emissions Rules (Was Website Ripoff) References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com><42374ACD.5010100@mlode.com><42385F74.6080602@mlode.com><4b0189426bff7bb1d5dad7e584fbd4cc@chartertn.net><00a601c52a7b$3e09c9a0$0301a8c0@Reg> <098cbf335291a9141744ca691b844798@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <004d01c52abc$52b5edc0$0301a8c0@Reg> Thanks for that info John. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 10:46 AM Subject: [SEL] Now Listeroid Emissions Rules (Was Website Ripoff) > Yes. In 1999, when Mike Montieth was the only guy importing them, he > faced a lot of hassle with the EPA. They really didn't quite know what > to do with them, but there was a big agency push to crack down on > Diesel emissions. They finally agreed to let him bring some in as he > told them they were primarily for engine collectors, but they said he > couldn't bring any in after January 1, 2000. Dolly came in a batch that > arrived shortly before that. Mike got his contacts to hurry up and send > some certified as made before 1/1/00, which arrived in May 2000 as I > recall, and they were to be the last. Sometime since, someone got the > EPA to allow them to come in with a certification that they were for > stationary use and would not be put in any vehicle for some period of > time, and apparently that's the current situation. > > John > > On Mar 16, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Reg Ingold wrote: > > > If I remember rightly, wasnt there some worry about them not meeting > > emmission controls? > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marshallman at iprimus.com.au Thu Mar 17 04:40:18 2005 From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:40:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 Message-ID: <002901c52aee$7a9fe750$24781bd3@userrhktdzvtaa> So young ...... a real loss ...... Jim > > (http://www.schmidtfamilyfuneralhome.com/Obituaries/f-eddy.htm) From glenn.karch at gte.net Thu Mar 17 06:01:30 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:01:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Frank's funeral References: <36.6ebadd6b.2f6a6710@aol.com> Message-ID: <001c01c52af9$d4244fe0$b7be123f@oemcomputer> To All, Frank Eddy was a friend of mine. We got acquainted several years ago. He was an excellent resource person on the engines built by the Waterloo Gas Engine Company. I often visited with him at the Midwest Old Threshers Reunion at Mt Pleasant, Iowa where he and his three brothers were all active participants. He will certainly be missed. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Frank's funeral > > In a message dated 03/15/2005 8:56:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, > eddy93 at iowatelecom.net writes: > > Schmidt Family Funeral Home, Centerville, Iowa 52544. > > > > Frank Eddy's obituary is available on the following web site. > > _http://www.schmidtfamilyfuneralhome.com/Obituaries/f-eddy.htm_ > (http://www.schmidtfamilyfuneralhome.com/Obituaries/f-eddy.htm) > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mogul460 at localnet.com Thu Mar 17 09:52:27 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:52:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Hi Everyone, Just a Test to see if I am on. Charlie Bryant From ottawa at pa.net Thu Mar 17 09:22:39 2005 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:22:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <14fb01c52b15$ec3374f0$56f1cd97@HONDESKTOP> Hi Charlie, Welcome back! Hope you are feeling better each day! Contact Clarence and tell him to come visit you! Hope to see you at Portland!!!! Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers RR 1, Box 2032 Blain, PA 17006 The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles R Bryant To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:52 PM Subject: [SEL] Test Hi Everyone, Just a Test to see if I am on. Charlie Bryant _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BillMil357 at aol.com Thu Mar 17 09:26:47 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:26:47 EST Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <79.4181015f.2f6b17d7@aol.com> Hi Charlie, You bet you are on and we are sure glad to see you back on the list, I did a bunch of praying for you and hope to see you again at the SIAM show in Evansville, IN. this year. See'ya, Bill Miller, Memphis, TN. From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 17 09:29:22 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:29:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <20050317172922.94196.qmail@web25008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Charlie You are. Dave In Southwest England (at the moment) --- Charles R Bryant wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Just a Test to see if I am on. > > Charlie Bryant Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 09:43:00 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:43:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050317094349eb9713@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:52:27 -0600, Charles R Bryant wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Just a Test to see if I am on. > > Charlie Bryant Sure looks OK from here in the UK, Charlie! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Mar 17 09:43:37 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:43:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <4239C1C9.4050301@fidnet.com> Hi Charlie, Looks like you passed the test. Now to go outside and play in the 55* temp sunshine. Gary Charles R Bryant wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Just a Test to see if I am on. > > Charlie Bryant > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Mar 17 09:59:52 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:59:52 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <000f01c52b1b$1ecf2350$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hello Charlie, Even here at this side of the pond you came through. I hope everything is allright with you now and that the old engine spins like a kitten. Alas can't see you this year at Portland. Glad you're back on the list. Take care, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web Hi Everyone, Just a Test to see if I am on. Charlie Bryant _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Mar 17 10:06:43 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:06:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <33544.165.206.180.118.1111082803.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Yeah! Glad you are, too. Bill > Hi Everyone, > > Just a Test to see if I am on. > > Charlie Bryant > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu Mar 17 10:28:55 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:28:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine in NZ revisited In-Reply-To: <000701c527ba$a38a7e50$25d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <3m+nSU0WeqMCFw3K@lnc025.dial.nildram.co.uk> <000701c527ba$a38a7e50$25d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: Thanks to Rick and Peter for the suggestions. I have posted a question on the oldmarineengine board and we'll see what we see. Regards Pete In message <000701c527ba$a38a7e50$25d03dca at ogborneuah38i3>, peter ogborne writes >I can't see a prop shaft connection but try >http://www.oldmarineengine.com/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi >----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 11:55 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery engine in NZ revisited > > >> To me it looks boatish. I say this cause he had to prop it up to get >>it level. Isn't there a website that just deals in boat motors? >> >> RickinMt. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Scales" >> >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 1:25 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine in NZ revisited >> >> >>> Further to my earlier message, Gordon Banfield has sent me four more >>> pictures of an engine that he can't identify. I still can't help. It >>> can be seen at: >>> >>> http://www.petesextension.com/Gordon/ >>> >>> Anyone have any ideas? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Pete >>> -- Peter Scales >>> -- Peter Scales From shop at cccomm.net Thu Mar 17 12:16:28 2005 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:16:28 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Novo References: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> <6f602516050317094349eb9713@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <017401c52b2e$33cd4df0$6401a8c0@Shop> Finished up the Novo I started earlier this year. When I first cranked it up after purchasing it smoked terribly. After tearing it down, I didn't find anything terribly wrong, so I cleaned it up, gave it a ring and valve job and now it runs fine. I have the RPM down to less than 300, and when I have run it some to break in the rings a little better I will see how slow I can make it run. I'm looking for 150 to 200 RPM if that's possible. Pics of the project are at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31525987&vt=vp I bought a couple of engines at the Turlock swap meet this last weekend, a Monitor and an Ottawa. Their pics are at the bottom. Dave From FGreatwestern at aol.com Thu Mar 17 12:26:31 2005 From: FGreatwestern at aol.com (FGreatwestern at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:26:31 EST Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <1e1.384d6490.2f6b41f7@aol.com> In a message dated 3/17/2005 12:19:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mogul460 at localnet.com writes: Hi Everyone, Just a Test to see if I am on. Charlie Bryant _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Hi Charlie, Your on!!! Good to hear from you. Take it one day at a time. Just got back from visiting Ron. Everyone is doing good around here. Be in touch. Fred From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Mar 17 12:58:42 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:58:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 References: <002901c52aee$7a9fe750$24781bd3@userrhktdzvtaa> Message-ID: <004101c52b36$38512ec0$0301a8c0@Reg> Anyone know what happened? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:40 PM Subject: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 > So young ...... a real loss ...... > > Jim > > > > > (http://www.schmidtfamilyfuneralhome.com/Obituaries/f-eddy.htm) From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Mar 17 13:07:14 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:07:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <20050317.161345.1284.9.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Charlie Works here. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rexhinz at chorus.net Thu Mar 17 14:07:05 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:07:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <002d01c52b3d$ab1ad8f0$3b86a5d8@mycomputer> welcom back Charlie , glad to hear from ya Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant" To: Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:52 AM Subject: [SEL] Test Hi Everyone, Just a Test to see if I am on. Charlie Bryant _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Mar 17 14:58:30 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:58:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <20050317.161345.1284.9.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <003601c52b44$f7652a60$cfa4f504@x8h7l9> Hi Charlie, I am glad you are back. Thank you LORD. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT From ottawa at pa.net Thu Mar 17 16:43:07 2005 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:43:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 References: <002901c52aee$7a9fe750$24781bd3@userrhktdzvtaa> <004101c52b36$38512ec0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <15fa01c52b53$75d6ab90$56f1cd97@HONDESKTOP> Copied from an Iowa newspaper: Centerville man trapped in tractor By: 03/16/2005 CENTERVILLE - A rural Centerville man died of injuries received after he was trapped in a tractor. Appanoose County Sheriff's deputies found Frank M. Eddy, 49, of rural Centerville pinned between the frame of a Honeybee tractor-loader and the sides of the loader arms. Deputies received the call at about 3:45 p.m. Monday and responded to the Sidles Top Crop Co-Op south of Centerville. Members of the Centerville Fire/Rescue Department had to use heavy extrication equipment to remove Eddy from the tractor. He was pronounced dead at Mercy Hospital. Deputies said preliminary investigation revealed that Eddy was moving an anhydrous ammonia trailer with the tractor-loader from nearby scales to a parking area. As Eddy was parking the anhydrous ammonia trailer, he prepared to unhook the trailer from the tractor-loader and became pinned between the loader arms and the frame of the tractor. The case is under investigation by the Appanoose County Sheriff and the county and state medical examiner offices. ________________________________________________________________________ George L. & Helen S. Myers RR 1, Box 2032 Blain, PA 17006 The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 ----- Original Message ----- From: Reg Ingold To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 Anyone know what happened? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:40 PM Subject: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 > So young ...... a real loss ...... > > Jim > > > > > (http://www.schmidtfamilyfuneralhome.com/Obituaries/f-eddy.htm) From gwaugh at wowway.com Thu Mar 17 17:26:52 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:26:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: <004101c52b36$38512ec0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <200503180126.j2I1QiA10185@pop-6.dnv.wideopenwest.com> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Reg Ingold Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:59 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 Anyone know what happened? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold CENTERVILLE - A rural Centerville man died of injuries received after he was trapped in a tractor. Appanoose County Sheriff's deputies found Frank M. Eddy, 49, of rural Centerville pinned between the frame of a Honeybee tractor-loader and the sides of the loader arms. Deputies received the call at about 3:45 p.m. Monday and responded to the Sidles Top Crop Co-Op south of Centerville. Members of the Centerville Fire/Rescue Department had to use heavy extrication equipment to remove Eddy from the tractor. He was pronounced dead at Mercy Hospital. Deputies said preliminary investigation revealed that Eddy was moving an anhydrous ammonia trailer with the tractor-loader from nearby scales to a parking area. As Eddy was parking the anhydrous ammonia trailer, he prepared to unhook the trailer from the tractor-loader and became pinned between the loader arms and the frame of the tractor. The case is under investigation by the Appanoose County Sheriff and the county and state medical examiner offices. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Mar 17 18:55:00 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:55:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Eagles are still traveling Message-ID: <200503180255.j2I2t9vn080838@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I finally caught up with Curt and Missy Holland this morning. I spent a couple of hours with them in the city. They have seen a lot of Australia (and a lot of Australians) in their time here (I have apologised on behalf of all Australians for Russell). It is great to catch up face to face with engine friends I have never met :) Curt was going to offer his Stickney in trade for Edd's Blackstone but since the Stickney has been sold while Curt was away the deal is off. I think Kerry is going to let Curt have his Blackstone so at least he still has one engine ;) Kerry and Ruth have shown how great the friendships are in this hobby by providing transport and acting as tour guides for our wandering American visitors. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Mar 18 04:03:57 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:03:57 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Novo In-Reply-To: <017401c52b2e$33cd4df0$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: Hi Dave, It looks great! Really enjoyed the pictures. Nice job. The fuel tank looked awful. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =========================== >From: "Dave Ernst" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] Novo >Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:16:28 -0800 > >Finished up the Novo I started earlier this year. When I first cranked it >up >after purchasing it smoked terribly. After tearing it down, I didn't find >anything terribly wrong, so I cleaned it up, gave it a ring and valve job >and now it runs fine. I have the RPM down to less than 300, and when I have >run it some to break in the rings a little better I will see how slow I can >make it run. I'm looking for 150 to 200 RPM if that's possible. >Pics of the project are at >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31525987&vt=vp >I bought a couple of engines at the Turlock swap meet this last weekend, a >Monitor and an Ottawa. Their pics are at the bottom. >Dave From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Mar 18 04:48:21 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:48:21 EST Subject: [SEL] Novo Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/2005 7:28:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, flywheelin at hotmail.com writes: << The fuel tank looked awful. >> Dave, What is "Kreem tank" sealant? I need to get busy and get my Nova back together too! Thanks for the photos. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Mar 18 05:33:59 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 06:33:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo References: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com><6f602516050317094349eb9713@mail.gmail.com> <017401c52b2e$33cd4df0$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: Very nice job Dave! Enjoyed all the great pictures and how it all came together. The decal, nameplate and Wico along with the copper lines sure do add the finishing touch. Hopefully one of these days I'll own a vertical with such class. Again Good Job RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: [SEL] Novo > Finished up the Novo I started earlier this year. When I first cranked it > up > after purchasing it smoked terribly. After tearing it down, I didn't find > anything terribly wrong, so I cleaned it up, gave it a ring and valve job > and now it runs fine. I have the RPM down to less than 300, and when I > have > run it some to break in the rings a little better I will see how slow I > can > make it run. I'm looking for 150 to 200 RPM if that's possible. > Pics of the project are at > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31525987&vt=vp > I bought a couple of engines at the Turlock swap meet this last weekend, a > Monitor and an Ottawa. Their pics are at the bottom. > Dave > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Mar 18 07:04:13 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:04:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: <15fa01c52b53$75d6ab90$56f1cd97@HONDESKTOP> References: <002901c52aee$7a9fe750$24781bd3@userrhktdzvtaa> <004101c52b36$38512ec0$0301a8c0@Reg> <15fa01c52b53$75d6ab90$56f1cd97@HONDESKTOP> Message-ID: <45154.165.206.180.118.1111158253.squirrel@antique-engines.com> oh, man - that's awful. Ugh. Gotta be hard on his wife/family. Bill > Copied from an Iowa newspaper: > > > Centerville man trapped in tractor > > > > > > By: 03/16/2005 > > > > > > > > > > CENTERVILLE - A rural Centerville man died of injuries received > after he was trapped in a tractor. > Appanoose County Sheriff's deputies found Frank M. Eddy, 49, of > rural Centerville pinned between the frame of a Honeybee > tractor-loader and the sides of the loader arms. > Deputies received the call at about 3:45 p.m. Monday and responded > to the Sidles Top Crop Co-Op south of Centerville. > Members of the Centerville Fire/Rescue Department had to use heavy > extrication equipment to remove Eddy from the tractor. He was > pronounced dead at Mercy Hospital. > Deputies said preliminary investigation revealed that Eddy was > moving an anhydrous ammonia trailer with the tractor-loader from > nearby scales to a parking area. > As Eddy was parking the anhydrous ammonia trailer, he prepared to > unhook the trailer from the tractor-loader and became pinned between > the loader arms and the frame of the tractor. > The case is under investigation by the Appanoose County Sheriff and > the county and state medical examiner offices. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > George L. & Helen S. Myers > RR 1, Box 2032 > Blain, PA 17006 > The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net > Tel 717-536-3711 > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Reg Ingold > To: The SEL email discussion list > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 > > > Anyone know what happened? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:40 PM > Subject: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 > > > > So young ...... a real loss ...... > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > (http://www.schmidtfamilyfuneralhome.com/Obituaries/f-eddy.htm) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri Mar 18 08:09:35 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:09:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT old Tech. Solid State Ignition Message-ID: <00d201c52bd4$e2596e20$14b6f504@x8h7l9> I have been working on the 1970 vintage Tecumseh HH-120 under the flywheel Solid State Ignition for a while and have come up with a simple, inexpensive fix for some of the failures. My web site, http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ has the details if you are interested. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Mar 18 15:47:04 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:47:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Novo - Kreem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <423B6878.2010504@steamengine.com.au> Kreem is a liquid plastic product used to repair fuel tanks - you empty the tank and let it dry, then shake out all the loose crud and pour in Kreem and turn the tank until all the internal surfaces are coated. Pour the Kreem back into its container (ready for next time). After the stuff dries you have a non-leaky tank. You might have to do it a couple of times for enough thickness. There are other products that do the same thing. I've used one and it seems to have worked ok. Soap is also useful for a temporary seal if you're at a rally - just rub it over the leaky seam or pinholes and they usually seal up. Remember if you use a product like Kreem, first remove the fuel piping and cover the hole on the outside with tape otherwise you'll block up your pipe! You can get Kreem and like products from motorcycle and vintage car restoration places. Some autoparts shops might also stock it. Paul Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/18/2005 7:28:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, > flywheelin at hotmail.com writes: > > << The fuel tank looked > awful. >> > > > Dave, > > What is "Kreem tank" sealant? I need to get busy and get my Nova back > together too! Thanks for the photos. > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 18/03/2005 From cwja at telus.net Fri Mar 18 15:51:40 2005 From: cwja at telus.net (Allen Home) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:51:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <423B698C.9000604@telus.net> Hi Dave Good job on your Novo. Looks very much like my Novo. Have a look at my 1915? Novo on my home page. I have it running between 180 to 200 rpm, firing only 6 times a minute. It does load up with oil and carbon that has to be burnt out with some high speed running every once in a while. I was fortunate with my engine which was given to me free by a friend of my sister in Petrolia, Ontario, Canada. I had to drive it back across Canada 2,800 miles between Christmas and New Years in 1995 in the back of my camper van. The exterior was rusty and pitted from rat poop; but the engine was not stuck. There were no frost breaks because the top had been covered. The piston was at TDC and the valves were closed thankfully. With such an engine there is no way for water to get in with things in this position. It had no mixer which turned out to be significant. The engine had sat outdoors in the same sheep paddock for at least 60 years and later was put inside a pig pen building, attached to a grain chopper but with no final alignment for running, for about 10 to 20 years When I finally started rebuilding this gem, I found the impossible had happened! It was brand new! No wear on anything; valves still had lapping marks; babbit was still dull, not shined up with wear; no cylinder wear; NADA! No rust inside at all. I refinished the exterior, put in gas and oil, sealed all the interior fittings of inspection panels and bearing blocks with silicone sealer (must do this to stop leakage of much oil because manufacturer's machining was always very poor for such fittings in this vintage) ; built a special crankcase breather to equalize pressures in the oil sump; attached a 6 volt buzz box ignition ; flipped the flywheels twice and she started running great. Many fine adjustments later; particularly mixer check valve; restricting the intake size on mixer; piping changes; and tweeking the spring tensions of latch and flywheel weight allows the slow running. I have now run this beauty for about 60 hours and it is just starting to break-in. The reason we have determined the engine was new is because Charlie Fairbanks, the son of the original buyer of the engine in Petrolia, figured that it was due to the fact that Petrolia is the site of the first working oil well in North America ( yes, check it out Pennsylvania and Texas). They never found a suitable mixer to run the engine on the raw crude they were bringing up from shallow oil wells in the area. They just abandoned the engine through disinterest until I came along and heard Charlie talking in a restaurant dinner we were having with some Industrial Archeologists from Canada and United States. He was telling someone about this old engine and I leaped up and said he should not waste the engine and that I could do something about it. He gave it to me that night, sight unseen. Sometimes you get lucky with engines and even with women! BTW, Petrolia or nearby Oil Springs is the place where most of the leather valves for oil and water pumps for most old equipment in the world are made by a small back alley company that Charlie's dad started in the beginning of the 1900's and still is in operation. Jeff Allen, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada http://webspace.oanet.com/jeff/ > > >> From: "Dave Ernst" >> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Subject: [SEL] Novo >> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:16:28 -0800 >> >> Finished up the Novo I started earlier this year. When I first >> cranked it up >> after purchasing it smoked terribly. After tearing it down, I didn't >> find >> anything terribly wrong, so I cleaned it up, gave it a ring and valve >> job >> and now it runs fine. I have the RPM down to less than 300, and when >> I have >> run it some to break in the rings a little better I will see how slow >> I can >> make it run. I'm looking for 150 to 200 RPM if that's possible. >> Pics of the project are at >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31525987&vt=vp >> I bought a couple of engines at the Turlock swap meet this last >> weekend, a >> Monitor and an Ottawa. Their pics are at the bottom. >> Dave > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Fri Mar 18 16:31:56 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:31:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Naracoorte National Message-ID: <003f01c52c1b$0f04f750$463354d2@Cam> Well I arrived home last night from the National which was very good and very hot, a great collection of engines and tractors had a chance to talk to the SEL members ( maybe a dozen or so there ) Curt and Missy Holland and also Nick Lozzi were over from the US. I did the return trip Via Mildura, had a few ales with Russell Gilbert and toured places I hadn't seen before. I won't get to far into it as I know there is a good report coming. Cheers Cam Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford 2250 Australia From page at velocitynet.com.au Fri Mar 18 17:29:39 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:29:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Naracoorte National References: <003f01c52c1b$0f04f750$463354d2@Cam> Message-ID: <004901c52c23$1eb58fe0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Just a quick question. Where is the next National going to be?? Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:31 AM Subject: [SEL] Naracoorte National > Well I arrived home last night from the National which was very good and > very hot, a great collection of engines and tractors had a chance to talk to > the SEL members ( maybe a dozen or so there ) Curt and Missy Holland and > also Nick Lozzi were over from the US. I did the return trip Via Mildura, > had a few ales with Russell Gilbert and toured places I hadn't seen before. > I won't get to far into it as I know there is a good report coming. Cheers > Cam > Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford 2250 > Australia > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 18 18:35:45 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:35:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG GENERATOR LIGHT PLANT (#7501404594) Message-ID: <1111199745.423b90015f9fa@webmail.city-net.com> Here's one for the "Mad About Maytags" bunch... View this Item on eBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7501404594 ----------------------------------------------------------------- MAYTAG ENGINE GENERATOR LIGHT PLANT not HIT and MISS Item number: 7501404594 Buy It Now Price: US $2,000.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Summary This is a Maytag Multi Motor twin cylinder engine with the rare Pioneer Genemotor light plant options.  It starts and runs great with good power.  The generator lights a 110V 100 watt bulb nicely.   It also has 6V dc on the other side of the box.  I haven't tried the 6v side but I assume it works. It was made between 1939-1940.  It was made especially for light plant duty with the extra large fuel tank.   This engine is free of cracks and breaks.  Serial number is 863786.   This is a rare one! From solarrog at pacbell.net Fri Mar 18 18:57:24 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:57:24 -0800 Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG GENERATOR LIGHT PLANT (#7501404594) References: <1111199745.423b90015f9fa@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <01ae01c52c2f$61fe2da0$e7f3af40@D6R3D961> Yes I saw the auction, I just do not agree with the value asked Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old_Engine" Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 6:35 PM Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG GENERATOR LIGHT PLANT (#7501404594) > Here's one for the "Mad About Maytags" bunch... > > View this Item on eBay at > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7501404594 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > MAYTAG ENGINE GENERATOR LIGHT PLANT not HIT and MISS > Item number: 7501404594 > Buy It Now Price: US $2,000.00 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Summary > This is a Maytag Multi Motor twin cylinder engine with the rare Pioneer > Genemotor light plant options.  It starts and runs great with good > power.  The generator lights a 110V 100 watt bulb nicely.   > It > also has 6V dc on the other side of the box.  I haven't tried the 6v > side > but I assume it works. It was made between 1939-1940.  > It was > made especially for light plant duty with the extra large fuel tank.  >  This engine is free of cracks and breaks.  Serial number is > 863786.   This is a rare one! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Mar 18 20:16:37 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:16:37 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Naracoorte National In-Reply-To: <004901c52c23$1eb58fe0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> References: <003f01c52c1b$0f04f750$463354d2@Cam> <004901c52c23$1eb58fe0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <423BA7A5.7060407@steamengine.com.au> I think the next one is in Queensland (or maybe that is the one after the next?). I know that Bundaberg club has solicited support from our club for their application to hold the rally. I cannot for the life of me see why any club would want to hold the national - the work required is phenomonal - even with top notch attendance the chance of breaking even is just about zero. Paul Ron Page wrote: > Just a quick question. Where is the next National going to be?? > > Ron > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 18/03/2005 From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Fri Mar 18 20:18:02 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:18:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Naracoorte National References: <003f01c52c1b$0f04f750$463354d2@Cam> <004901c52c23$1eb58fe0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <000601c52c3a$a4910560$f33354d2@Cam> Hi Ron, the next is at Biloela approx 150 klm's west of Gladstone Queensland. Gladstone is on the coast. Hope this helps. If you need more info I can help. Regards Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Naracoorte National > Just a quick question. Where is the next National going to be?? > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cam grundy" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:31 AM > Subject: [SEL] Naracoorte National > > >> Well I arrived home last night from the National which was very good and >> very hot, a great collection of engines and tractors had a chance to talk > to >> the SEL members ( maybe a dozen or so there ) Curt and Missy Holland and >> also Nick Lozzi were over from the US. I did the return trip Via Mildura, >> had a few ales with Russell Gilbert and toured places I hadn't seen > before. >> I won't get to far into it as I know there is a good report coming. > Cheers >> Cam >> Cam and Edwina Grundy >> Kariong >> Gosford 2250 >> Australia >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Fri Mar 18 21:46:41 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:46:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Naracoorte National References: <003f01c52c1b$0f04f750$463354d2@Cam><004901c52c23$1eb58fe0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <000601c52c3a$a4910560$f33354d2@Cam> Message-ID: <008601c52c47$072df640$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Thanks Cam. I expect we will get more info through TOMM. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Naracoorte National > Hi Ron, the next is at Biloela approx 150 klm's west of Gladstone > Queensland. Gladstone is on the coast. Hope this helps. If you need more > info I can help. > Regards Cam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Page" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 12:29 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Naracoorte National > > > > Just a quick question. Where is the next National going to be?? > > > > Ron > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "cam grundy" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:31 AM > > Subject: [SEL] Naracoorte National > > > > > >> Well I arrived home last night from the National which was very good and > >> very hot, a great collection of engines and tractors had a chance to talk > > to > >> the SEL members ( maybe a dozen or so there ) Curt and Missy Holland and > >> also Nick Lozzi were over from the US. I did the return trip Via Mildura, > >> had a few ales with Russell Gilbert and toured places I hadn't seen > > before. > >> I won't get to far into it as I know there is a good report coming. > > Cheers > >> Cam > >> Cam and Edwina Grundy > >> Kariong > >> Gosford 2250 > >> Australia > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Mar 19 03:40:23 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:40:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stover Duro info Message-ID: <031920051140.8984.423C0FA7000875920000231821979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi All, Looking for Stover Duro owners. Need some info on the serial numbers. thankyou in advance, Curt Andree From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Mar 19 04:23:08 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 07:23:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My "New" Genset References: <00b401c52834$90d5fa80$9235ef18@pengy> <43f819783612f40d541431b1b2e2b699@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <002201c52c7e$68fba1b0$9235ef18@pengy> I successfully picked up the genset yesterday and delivered it to the Tod Engine restoration shop. I was floored when I found out that this thing not only puts out 120 and 240 single phase but also 208 three phase! Now I can run my 5 hp air compressor which has been idle since I got it a couple of years ago. I'm leaving in a few minutes for Lexington, VA to pick up the 300 amp gas welder. We'e going to stop at the New River gorge along the way and scare the wits out of my wife! (she doesn't like heights) Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] My "New" Genset > That's a beauty all right, Rick! > > John > > On Mar 13, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Tod Engine wrote: >> Isn't it a beauty! That nice yellow paint sure makes it more visually >> appealing than the original olive drab green. I sure hope we get a few >> years of trouble free service from it. > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 19 06:10:16 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 08:10:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT old Tech. Solid State Ignition References: <00d201c52bd4$e2596e20$14b6f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <003c01c52c8d$60b34760$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> very good work Ed ! The E6000 is Goop by any other name ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. under the flywheel Solid State Ignition http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 19 07:23:40 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:23:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org Message-ID: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> We have updated the Member's and Commercial Links pages to reflect a couple of newcomers to the show, have a look when you get a minute. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sat Mar 19 08:14:13 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:14:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005101c52c9e$b0ef60e0$3775833e@harryp1811> Looks GREAT Peter!! You can see you really put allot of effort in the pages!! You can include mine if you want. http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 4:23 PM Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > We have updated the Member's and Commercial Links pages to reflect a > couple of newcomers to the show, have a look when you get a minute. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 19 08:31:43 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:31:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Novo - Kreem References: <423B6878.2010504@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <00e701c52ca1$23095c60$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Remember if you use a product like Kreem, first remove the fuel piping > and cover the hole on the outside with tape otherwise you'll block up > your pipe! And sometimes it turns into a wrinkled up mess that looks like someone wadded up and stuffed an old yellow newspaper in your tank . And sometimes its easier to just make another tank altogether than spend 30 + bucks on pookey . I owe somebody a--- how-to-make-a , dont I ? Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sat Mar 19 08:33:57 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:33:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <005101c52c9e$b0ef60e0$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <005d01c52ca1$72d69730$3775833e@harryp1811> Oops I should learn to look twice before I start talking....... I see I'm already there. Thanks, Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Terpstra" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > Looks GREAT Peter!! > You can see you really put allot of effort in the pages!! > > You can include mine if you want. > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > Harry Terpstra > Sint Annaparochie > Netherlands > h.terpstra at wxs.nl > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 4:23 PM > Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > > > > We have updated the Member's and Commercial Links pages to reflect a > > couple of newcomers to the show, have a look when you get a minute. > > > > Peter > > -- > > Peter A Forbes > > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sat Mar 19 09:07:48 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:07:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Do you suppose that I could put a link to my e-commerce website on your links page? www.wizbzngtools.com We are just getting it started and don't have many items for sale. We are looking for more items to list. We want to sell tools for everything not just mechanics tools. Thanks Skip & Betty Cleveland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 10:23 AM Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > We have updated the Member's and Commercial Links pages to reflect a > couple of newcomers to the show, have a look when you get a minute. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 19 09:15:35 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:15:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <005101c52c9e$b0ef60e0$3775833e@harryp1811> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <005101c52c9e$b0ef60e0$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <6f60251605031909152483963c@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:14:13 +0100, Harry Terpstra wrote: > Looks GREAT Peter!! > You can see you really put allot of effort in the pages!! > > You can include mine if you want. > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > Harry Terpstra Hi Harry: We can only put the Oldengine members on this listing I'm afraid, because that is what is covers. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 19 09:35:09 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:35:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Message-ID: <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:07:48 -0500, Skip Cleveland wrote: > Do you suppose that I could put a link to my e-commerce > website on your links page? > www.wizbzngtools.com > We are just getting it started and don't have many items for sale. We are > looking for more items to list. We want to sell tools for everything not > just mechanics tools. > Thanks > Skip & Betty Cleveland Hi Skip: I'll ask Jim Dunmyer to advise on that one, but I can't see any reason why not... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Mar 19 10:22:20 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:22:20 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine Message-ID: <200503191822.j2JIMOf9029232@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi, A friend has a little hopper cooled open crank engine with "Dairy Maid" on the hopper. It's a little unique in that it has only three head bolts. I can send pictures to a sight if some one has the space. He would like to know who made it and any history available. Does anyone on the list have one so we can see what the missing parts look like? Thanks for any help, Jimmy O'Hagan Novato,Ca. 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Mar 19 11:29:35 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:29:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine References: <200503191822.j2JIMOf9029232@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: I can post them if you'd like Jim RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:22 AM Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine > Hi, A friend has a little hopper cooled open crank engine with "Dairy > Maid" > on the hopper. It's a little unique in that it has only three head bolts. > I > can send pictures to a sight if some one has the space. He would like to > know who made it and any history available. Does anyone on the list have > one > so we can see what the missing parts look like? Thanks for any help, Jimmy > O'Hagan Novato,Ca. 415 892 0236 > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sat Mar 19 11:33:39 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:33:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Sounds good. Here is an interesting tool that we are trying to list, www.thedismantler.com There is an interesting vidio showing it being used on a steam traction engine. I have had this guy as a guest at our house and have one of his tools and it does work. He is an inventors inventor all right.:-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:07:48 -0500, Skip Cleveland > wrote: >> Do you suppose that I could put a link to my e-commerce >> website on your links page? >> www.wizbzngtools.com >> We are just getting it started and don't have many items for sale. We are >> looking for more items to list. We want to sell tools for everything not >> just mechanics tools. >> Thanks >> Skip & Betty Cleveland > > Hi Skip: > > I'll ask Jim Dunmyer to advise on that one, but I can't see any reason > why not... > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Mar 19 12:02:36 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:02:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine In-Reply-To: <200503191822.j2JIMOf9029232@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200503191822.j2JIMOf9029232@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <423C855C.8030404@earthlink.net> Hi Jim, Check this link. http://oldengine.org/members/allen/WardCatalogs/WardCatalogs.html If this is the same engine, contact me off list for more pictures and info. About half way down the page. Jeff Allen Jim O'Hagan wrote: >Hi, A friend has a little hopper cooled open crank engine with "Dairy Maid" >on the hopper. It's a little unique in that it has only three head bolts. I >can send pictures to a sight if some one has the space. He would like to >know who made it and any history available. Does anyone on the list have one >so we can see what the missing parts look like? Thanks for any help, Jimmy >O'Hagan Novato,Ca. 415 892 0236 > > > >Jim O'Hagan > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Mar 19 13:21:13 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:21:13 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503192121.j2JLLJ1b071134@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Richard, I tried to send several but they bounced.[mailbox not open]. I'll try again. Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:30 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery engine I can post them if you'd like Jim RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:22 AM Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine > Hi, A friend has a little hopper cooled open crank engine with "Dairy > Maid" > on the hopper. It's a little unique in that it has only three head bolts. > I > can send pictures to a sight if some one has the space. He would like to > know who made it and any history available. Does anyone on the list have > one > so we can see what the missing parts look like? Thanks for any help, Jimmy > O'Hagan Novato,Ca. 415 892 0236 > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From don.h at wcoil.com Sat Mar 19 13:47:15 2005 From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:47:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover Duro info References: <031920051140.8984.423C0FA7000875920000231821979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <002301c52ccd$37a56070$6400a8c0@shuttle> Hi curt I got one of those little devils but am in the same boat as you...I did get it to run after a lot of false starts fun little engine Don in Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL Lists" Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 6:40 AM Subject: [SEL] Stover Duro info > Hi All, > Looking for Stover Duro owners. Need some info on the serial numbers. > thankyou in advance, > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Mar 19 19:50:13 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:50:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG GENERATOR LIGHT PLANT (#7501404594) In-Reply-To: <1111199745.423b90015f9fa@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1111199745.423b90015f9fa@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050319224925.110950e8@mail.alltel.net> March Madness is bad enough--MAYTAG Madness is even worse! Dave At 09:35 PM 3/18/2005, you wrote: >Here's one for the "Mad About Maytags" bunch... > >View this Item on eBay at >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7501404594 > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >MAYTAG ENGINE GENERATOR LIGHT PLANT not HIT and MISS >Item number: 7501404594 >Buy It Now Price: US $2,000.00 >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Summary >This is a Maytag Multi Motor twin cylinder engine with the rare Pioneer >Genemotor light plant options.  It starts and runs great with good >power.  The generator lights a 110V 100 watt bulb nicely.   It >also has 6V dc on the other side of the box.  I haven't tried the 6v side >but I assume it works. It was made between 1939-1940.  It was >made especially for light plant duty with the extra large fuel tank.  > This engine is free of cracks and breaks.  Serial number is >863786.   This is a rare one! > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Mar 19 20:11:05 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:11:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine References: <200503192121.j2JLLJ1b071134@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Please do Jim. Just got a new cyberbox with XL and it gave me some prob's. Should be ok now. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 2:21 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Mystery engine > Hi Richard, I tried to send several but they bounced.[mailbox not open]. > I'll try again. Jimmy > > Jim O'Hagan > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:30 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery engine > > I can post them if you'd like Jim > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim O'Hagan" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:22 AM > Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine > > > > Hi, A friend has a little hopper cooled open crank engine with "Dairy > > Maid" > > on the hopper. It's a little unique in that it has only three head > > bolts. > > I > > can send pictures to a sight if some one has the space. He would like to > > know who made it and any history available. Does anyone on the list have > > one > > so we can see what the missing parts look like? Thanks for any help, > > Jimmy > > O'Hagan Novato,Ca. 415 892 0236 > > > > > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 00:45:26 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:45:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Message-ID: <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:33:39 -0500, Skip Cleveland wrote: > Sounds good. > Here is an interesting tool that we are trying to list, > www.thedismantler.com > There is an interesting vidio showing it being used on a steam traction > engine. > I have had this guy as a guest at our house and have one of his tools and it > does work. > He is an inventors inventor all right.:-) Hi again, Skip: I've put it in the Commercial Links page for now, Jim has OK'd that for you. The site link isn't working though, could you double-check that site address for me please? Also a line of descriptive text to go with the site address is needed, look at the others on that page and you'll see what I need. http://www.oldengine.org/Commercial.htm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From guitronics at comcast.net Sun Mar 20 02:52:56 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 05:52:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <423D5608.6080206@comcast.net> @ $250.00 a pop, 'tis a lot of multiple ratchets.Ouch! Listerdiesel wrote: >On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:33:39 -0500, Skip Cleveland > wrote: > > >>Sounds good. >>Here is an interesting tool that we are trying to list, >>www.thedismantler.com >>There is an interesting vidio showing it being used on a steam traction >>engine. >>I have had this guy as a guest at our house and have one of his tools and it >>does work. >>He is an inventors inventor all right.:-) >> >> > >Hi again, Skip: > >I've put it in the Commercial Links page for now, Jim has OK'd that for you. > >The site link isn't working though, could you double-check that site >address for me please? > >Also a line of descriptive text to go with the site address is needed, >look at the others on that page and you'll see what I need. > >http://www.oldengine.org/Commercial.htm > >Peter > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Mar 20 03:23:24 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:23:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty><6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <423D5608.6080206@comcast.net> Message-ID: <008e01c52d40$601876a0$0301a8c0@Reg> As far as it goes with me, If I were to buy that, it would be a novelty for a short time but would NEVER earn the initial cost! There are/ were lots of 'tools' that fall into that catagory! In my shop, I have a FEW tools that sit there waiting for the time they are needed. They DO get used now and then, and there is nothing else will do that particular job. Thats why they are here! The knack is to be able to choose those tools from the wonderful array available. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "guitronics" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > @ $250.00 a pop, 'tis a lot of multiple ratchets.Ouch! > > Listerdiesel wrote: > > >On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:33:39 -0500, Skip Cleveland > > wrote: > > > > > >>Sounds good. > >>Here is an interesting tool that we are trying to list, > >>www.thedismantler.com > >>There is an interesting vidio showing it being used on a steam traction > >>engine. > >>I have had this guy as a guest at our house and have one of his tools and it > >>does work. > >>He is an inventors inventor all right.:-) > >> > >> > > > >Hi again, Skip: > > > >I've put it in the Commercial Links page for now, Jim has OK'd that for you. > > > >The site link isn't working though, could you double-check that site > >address for me please? > > > >Also a line of descriptive text to go with the site address is needed, > >look at the others on that page and you'll see what I need. > > > >http://www.oldengine.org/Commercial.htm > > > >Peter > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Mar 20 03:36:41 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:36:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stover Duro info Message-ID: <032020051136.6707.423D6048000E719300001A3321979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Don, Thanks for the fast response. In the process of possible buying one, I hope. Does yours have serial number on it? If so where did you locate the actual number on the engine. Trying to get the old coot who has it to look for a serialnumber for me. As I am trying to determine its age,etc. If you have a number on yours please give it to me and I will research it in our Stover orginal sales records at club museum for you. No charge for this service, just part of my hobby. If you could take a few pics for me, the one I am looking at is missing a few parts. regards, Curt Andree > Hi curt > I got one of those little devils but am in the same boat as you...I did get > it to run after a lot of false starts fun little engine > Don in Ohio > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "SEL Lists" > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 6:40 AM > Subject: [SEL] Stover Duro info > > > > Hi All, > > Looking for Stover Duro owners. Need some info on the serial numbers. > > thankyou in advance, > > Curt Andree > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Mar 20 03:43:02 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:43:02 +0000 Subject: FW: [SEL] Stover Duro info Message-ID: <032020051143.8196.423D61C5000DD10E0000200421979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> ---------------------- Forwarded Message: --------------------- From: cgandree at mchsi.com To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL Lists) Subject: [SEL] Stover Duro info Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:12:51 +0000 Hi All, Looking for Stover Duro owners. Need some info on the serial numbers. thankyou in advance, Curt Andree _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Mar 20 06:16:56 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:16:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine Message-ID: Howdy all; Have uploaded Jimmy O'Hagan's pictures of this engine he'd like identified. Looks like he needs a rocker arm also..aarrghh!! You can view at: http://community.webshots.com/album/299727133djvuEy I'm sure he would appreciate any help. Have a good'un RickinMt. From don.h at wcoil.com Sun Mar 20 06:39:21 2005 From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:39:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover Duro info References: <032020051136.6707.423D6048000E719300001A3321979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000e01c52d5a$9b52f960$6400a8c0@shuttle> If it wrms up a little Ill drive out to the storage building and get a few pic s for you with the number..The littlr devill had me baffeled for yrs trying to get it to run mine has a mag on it ( wrong one) but a good friend of mine took it apart and it now will run for a while he had to make a new carb jet ( out of a old welding tip from his wire welder) amoung a lot of little things but he has it starting on the second twist of the fly wheels) He,s a expert at makeing things run and start on the 2nd pull..he says the first pull is to choke and the second is to run Everthing he has does this!!! Ill get you pics and stuff soon as the dept of the interior ie: War dept lets me out with this darn cold Don in cold Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover Duro info > Hi Don, > Thanks for the fast response. In the process of possible buying one, I > hope. > Does yours have serial number on it? If so where did you locate the > actual > number on the engine. Trying to get the old coot who has it to look for a > serialnumber for me. As I am trying to determine its age,etc. If you > have a > number on yours please give it to me and I will research it in our Stover > orginal sales records at club museum for you. No charge for this service, > just part of my hobby. If you could take a few pics for me, the one I am > looking at is missing a few parts. > regards, > Curt Andree > > >> Hi curt >> I got one of those little devils but am in the same boat as you...I did >> get >> it to run after a lot of false starts fun little engine >> Don in Ohio >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "SEL Lists" >> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 6:40 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Stover Duro info >> >> >> > Hi All, >> > Looking for Stover Duro owners. Need some info on the serial numbers. >> > thankyou in advance, >> > Curt Andree >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 20 07:01:32 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:01:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <008e01c52d40$601876a0$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty><6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <423D5608.6080206@comcast.net> <008e01c52d40$601876a0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: G'day Reg, I've always looked at torque multipliers as being WONDERFUL tools for a mate to own. He invests and I borrow for that one occasion every ten years or so, when it is absolutely the right tool for the job. I used one (borrowed) when we took the Long Lake diesel engines apart. WONDERFUL tool. BTW, there are tool rental outfits that carry gadgets like this if you don't have a mate who owns one. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Reg Ingold wrote: > As far as it goes with me, If I were to buy that, it would be a novelty for > a short time but would NEVER earn the initial cost! > There are/ were lots of 'tools' that fall into that catagory! > > In my shop, I have a FEW tools that sit there waiting for the time they are > needed. They DO get used now and then, and there is nothing else will do > that particular job. > Thats why they are here! > The knack is to be able to choose those tools from the wonderful array > available. From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 20 09:46:59 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:46:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: CHA Dissinger Engines-Wrightsville PA Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050320124502.111f1528@mail.alltel.net> Can anyone help Craig? He is not on the List so you will need to contact him at: "Craig Rudisill" Dave >X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.208] >X-Originating-Email: [craigdavidrudisill at msn.com] >X-Sender: craigdavidrudisill at msn.com >From: "Craig Rudisill" >To: rotigel at alltel.net >Bcc: >Subject: CHA Dissinger Engines-Wrightsville PA >Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:08:20 -0500 >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2005 05:08:20.0393 (UTC) >FILETIME=[AB093190:01C52C41] > >Good Day Mr. Rotigel, > >Recently I've been tracking down information on the CHA Dissinger Company >out of Wrightsville PA. >I am also trying to locate any existing engines made by this company. >I came across your email address from a search I performed looking online >in an article about gas engines made in PA. I hope you don't mind me >writing you. You have a great page. Your engines are beautiful. >Can you recommend any resources I might use in better tracking down an >existing engine? >My great-grandfather made these engines and the family history about the >shop is intriguing. > >Any help you can offer me is greatly appreciated. >Sincerely, >Craig Rudisill > From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Mar 20 10:03:46 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:03:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine Message-ID: <20050320.100347.1220.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> With a little imagination someone should be able to read the name in this shot. http://community.webshots.com/photo/299729353/299729353ewTESH Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:16:56 -0700 "Richard Strobel" writes: > Howdy all; > Have uploaded Jimmy O'Hagan's pictures of this engine he'd like > identified. Looks like he needs a rocker arm also..aarrghh!! > > You can view at: > > http://community.webshots.com/album/299727133djvuEy > > I'm sure he would appreciate any help. > > Have a good'un > RickinMt. From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Mar 20 11:38:23 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:38:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine In-Reply-To: <20050320.100347.1220.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20050320.100347.1220.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <212ff823ff7685f3793dac4d0470b9eb@chartertn.net> Handy Man. On Mar 20, 2005, at 1:03 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > With a little imagination someone should be able to read the name in > this shot. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/299729353/299729353ewTESH John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sun Mar 20 11:43:52 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:43:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> How about this. A secure e-commerce website that offers for sale, innovative mechanics tools and equipment. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:33:39 -0500, Skip Cleveland > wrote: >> Sounds good. >> Here is an interesting tool that we are trying to list, >> www.thedismantler.com >> There is an interesting vidio showing it being used on a steam traction >> engine. >> I have had this guy as a guest at our house and have one of his tools and >> it >> does work. >> He is an inventors inventor all right.:-) > > Hi again, Skip: > > I've put it in the Commercial Links page for now, Jim has OK'd that for > you. > > The site link isn't working though, could you double-check that site > address for me please? > > Also a line of descriptive text to go with the site address is needed, > look at the others on that page and you'll see what I need. > > http://www.oldengine.org/Commercial.htm > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sun Mar 20 12:04:34 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:04:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004f01c52d88$09684e00$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> I think I should mention that we ship only to customers in the USA. Betty says that is in the site but it should be mentioned. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:33:39 -0500, Skip Cleveland > wrote: >> Sounds good. >> Here is an interesting tool that we are trying to list, >> www.thedismantler.com >> There is an interesting vidio showing it being used on a steam traction >> engine. >> I have had this guy as a guest at our house and have one of his tools and >> it >> does work. >> He is an inventors inventor all right.:-) > > Hi again, Skip: > > I've put it in the Commercial Links page for now, Jim has OK'd that for > you. > > The site link isn't working though, could you double-check that site > address for me please? > > Also a line of descriptive text to go with the site address is needed, > look at the others on that page and you'll see what I need. > > http://www.oldengine.org/Commercial.htm > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 20 12:20:17 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:20:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Tom Dunlap Message-ID: <00f401c52d8a$4034b520$230110ac@PAUL> Folks I am trying desperately to find Tom Dunlap. He purchased a copy of one of my 1911 Stover Reprint Manuals and paid for it by PayPal but he has never sent me an address so I can mail his book to him. I have sent him (3) e-mails requesting his mailing information and so far I have not received an answer to any of them. I would like to be able to mail the man's book to him, he has paid for it and should have it but without a mailing address I am stuck. Does anyone know Tom, if so can you send me his mailing address. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Paul From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sun Mar 20 12:23:24 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:23:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <423D5608.6080206@comcast.net> <008e01c52d40$601876a0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <007901c52d8a$ab4d8c10$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Arnie, that post about a tool web site was supposed to be off line or whatever. I have a reply button and a reply to all button and I know I hit the right one but things happen.The damn thing is expensive though it is made in the USA. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > G'day Reg, > > I've always looked at torque multipliers as being WONDERFUL tools for a > mate to own. He invests and I borrow for that one occasion every ten > years or so, when it is absolutely the right tool for the job. I used one > (borrowed) when we took the Long Lake diesel engines apart. WONDERFUL > tool. BTW, there are tool rental outfits that carry gadgets like this if > you don't have a mate who owns one. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Reg Ingold wrote: > >> As far as it goes with me, If I were to buy that, it would be a novelty >> for >> a short time but would NEVER earn the initial cost! >> There are/ were lots of 'tools' that fall into that catagory! >> >> In my shop, I have a FEW tools that sit there waiting for the time they >> are >> needed. They DO get used now and then, and there is nothing else will do >> that particular job. >> Thats why they are here! >> The knack is to be able to choose those tools from the wonderful array >> available. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 12:27:02 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:27:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Message-ID: <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:43:52 -0500, Skip Cleveland wrote: > How about this. > A secure e-commerce website that offers for sale, innovative mechanics > tools and equipment. > > Skip OK, have a look at it. I have added a bit of punctuation but apart from that it is as you suggested. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 12:28:19 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:28:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine In-Reply-To: <212ff823ff7685f3793dac4d0470b9eb@chartertn.net> References: <20050320.100347.1220.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <212ff823ff7685f3793dac4d0470b9eb@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <6f602516050320122879963a21@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:38:23 -0500, John Culp wrote: > Handy Man. > > On Mar 20, 2005, at 1:03 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > > > With a little imagination someone should be able to read the name in > > this shot. > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/299729353/299729353ewTESH > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA Looks like "Dairy Maid" to me... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 12:35:02 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:35:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <004f01c52d88$09684e00$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004f01c52d88$09684e00$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Message-ID: <6f6025160503201235576dd605@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:04:34 -0500, Skip Cleveland wrote: > I think I should mention that we ship only to customers in the USA. Betty > says that is in the site but it should be mentioned. > > Skip That's not a problem, anyone wanting to buy would have to go through the site, and as it is based in the USA most folks would reason that overseas shipping might be a problem. It's the odd 1% who can't fugure that out you'll have to worry about! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sun Mar 20 14:04:21 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:04:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004f01c52d88$09684e00$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201235576dd605@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00de01c52d98$c57427d0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Thanks again for all your effort. Skip & Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:04:34 -0500, Skip Cleveland > wrote: >> I think I should mention that we ship only to customers in the USA. Betty >> says that is in the site but it should be mentioned. >> >> Skip > > That's not a problem, anyone wanting to buy would have to go through > the site, and as it is based in the USA most folks would reason that > overseas shipping might be a problem. > > It's the odd 1% who can't fugure that out you'll have to worry about! > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > > From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sun Mar 20 14:35:07 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:35:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> It looks good . Doesn't go to my website. All I get is, this site is not available. This stuff is not easy is it? Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:43:52 -0500, Skip Cleveland > wrote: >> How about this. >> A secure e-commerce website that offers for sale, innovative mechanics >> tools and equipment. >> >> Skip > > OK, have a look at it. I have added a bit of punctuation but apart > from that it is as you suggested. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sun Mar 20 14:46:36 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:46:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com><003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty><6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com><00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty><6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com><004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty><6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Message-ID: <000701c52d9e$ac4ac0b0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> I got the same error. John H. > It looks good . Doesn't go to my website. All I get is, this site is not > available. This stuff is not easy is it? > Skip /listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Mar 20 15:15:48 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:15:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine In-Reply-To: <6f602516050320122879963a21@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050320.100347.1220.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <212ff823ff7685f3793dac4d0470b9eb@chartertn.net> <6f602516050320122879963a21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <520be30ae15910c929fa2a61f2b2410a@chartertn.net> Could be Handy Maid. Don't think that top word is Dairy. John On Mar 20, 2005, at 3:28 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > Looks like "Dairy Maid" to me... John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 15:16:06 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:16:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Message-ID: <6f602516050320151664d60045@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:35:07 -0500, Skip Cleveland wrote: > It looks good . Doesn't go to my website. All I get is, this site is not > available. This stuff is not easy is it? > Skip Skip & John H: See my earlier post when I asked Skip to check the URL as I couldn't get it to work. That is the URL that Skip posted in his original request, and that one (in the original email) doesn't work either :-)) I can only use what I am given, guys! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Mar 20 15:47:03 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:47:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Message-ID: <20050320.184706.1328.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, Can someone tell me the dates for Portland, IN Gas Engine Show this year. August ??? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sun Mar 20 15:50:34 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:50:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <000701c52d9e$ac4ac0b0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <000801c52da7$9bc03320$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> John: See if you can get to my site using www.wizbangtools.com I can access the site but maybe no one else can. Thanks. Skip Ps. Betty is one of your fellow countrymen, she was borne in Rotterdam, her brother and family live in Ede. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org >I got the same error. > > John H. > > > >> It looks good . Doesn't go to my website. All I get is, this site is not >> available. This stuff is not easy is it? >> Skip > /listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > > From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sun Mar 20 15:53:07 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:53:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f602516050320151664d60045@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000d01c52da7$f7649680$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> http://www.wizbangtools.com http://wizbangtools.com Something in there should work.. Somebody fill me in here Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:35:07 -0500, Skip Cleveland > wrote: >> It looks good . Doesn't go to my website. All I get is, this site is not >> available. This stuff is not easy is it? >> Skip > > Skip & John H: > > See my earlier post when I asked Skip to check the URL as I couldn't > get it to work. > > That is the URL that Skip posted in his original request, and that one > (in the original email) doesn't work either :-)) > > I can only use what I am given, guys! > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Mar 20 15:56:35 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:56:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine References: <20050320.100347.1220.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><212ff823ff7685f3793dac4d0470b9eb@chartertn.net><6f602516050320122879963a21@mail.gmail.com> <520be30ae15910c929fa2a61f2b2410a@chartertn.net> Message-ID: Looks like Daisy Maid to me also, but hasn't Jimmy already say that. Think he just wants to know who maid (ouch) it. And I believe it was stated it's a Ward's engine...er Montgomery Wards ie. Whatcha say Jimmy? RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery Engine > Could be Handy Maid. Don't think that top word is Dairy. > > John > On Mar 20, 2005, at 3:28 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > Looks like "Dairy Maid" to me... > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 16:05:44 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 00:05:44 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine In-Reply-To: <520be30ae15910c929fa2a61f2b2410a@chartertn.net> References: <20050320.100347.1220.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <212ff823ff7685f3793dac4d0470b9eb@chartertn.net> <6f602516050320122879963a21@mail.gmail.com> <520be30ae15910c929fa2a61f2b2410a@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605032016054d815e@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:15:48 -0500, John Culp wrote: > Could be Handy Maid. Don't think that top word is Dairy. > > John > On Mar 20, 2005, at 3:28 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > Looks like "Dairy Maid" to me... > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA Handy doesn't look 'quite' right but nearer than Dairy. The stylised lettering doesn't help any! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 16:11:00 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 00:11:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: <20050320.184706.1328.0.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050320.184706.1328.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605032016116886c184@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:47:03 -0500, Joseph L Betz wrote: > Hi List, > > Can someone tell me the dates for Portland, IN Gas Engine Show this > year. > > August ??? > August 24th through 28th, at the Jay County Fairgrounds in Portland, Indiana Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Sun Mar 20 16:35:18 2005 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:35:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland References: <20050320.184706.1328.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <006501c52dad$dba14aa0$4fc77040@user> Give this a try http://my.voyager.net/~vinsond/portland.html Paul Russell Riga, Michigan hit_n_miss at tc3net.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 6:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland Hi List, Can someone tell me the dates for Portland, IN Gas Engine Show this year. August ??? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Mar 20 16:37:34 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:37:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine In-Reply-To: <6f60251605032016054d815e@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050320.100347.1220.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <212ff823ff7685f3793dac4d0470b9eb@chartertn.net> <6f602516050320122879963a21@mail.gmail.com> <520be30ae15910c929fa2a61f2b2410a@chartertn.net> <6f60251605032016054d815e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Handy doesn't look 'quite' right but nearer than Dairy. The stylised > lettering doesn't help any! Maybe it's Hairy Maid. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Mar 20 16:54:39 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:54:39 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503210054.j2L0sgnu074596@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi, First,Thanks for the replies. It does have DAIRY MAID painted on the hopper. Rick sent me a cut from a Montgomery Ward cat. With Dairy Maid engines in it. There are pictures of both AC. And Hopper cooled. They just don't look like the pictures . The "Neward" is a closer match to the "mistory" engine. Thanks again, Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:57 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery Engine Looks like Daisy Maid to me also, but hasn't Jimmy already say that. Think he just wants to know who maid (ouch) it. And I believe it was stated it's a Ward's engine...er Montgomery Wards ie. Whatcha say Jimmy? RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery Engine > Could be Handy Maid. Don't think that top word is Dairy. > > John > On Mar 20, 2005, at 3:28 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > Looks like "Dairy Maid" to me... > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rwenig at telus.net Sun Mar 20 17:08:57 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:08:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <000d01c52da7$f7649680$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f602516050320151664d60045@mail.gmail.com> <000d01c52da7$f7649680$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Message-ID: <423E1EA9.6020303@telus.net> Hello Skip, Both url's work for me using firefox. Rupert Skip Cleveland wrote: > http://www.wizbangtools.com > http://wizbangtools.com > > Something in there should work.. > Somebody fill me in here > From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 20 17:20:52 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:20:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <6f602516050320151664d60045@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f602516050320151664d60045@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050320202008.11205648@mail.alltel.net> >I can only use what I am given, guys! > >Peter That's a DAMN POOR excuse if I ever heard one! Dave From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Mar 20 17:23:49 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:23:49 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Dairy Maid Engine Message-ID: <200503210123.j2L1Nqtu080736@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Going on the premise that this Dairy Maid was sold by Montgomery Wards, Who manufactured engines for MW,? Stickney and Jacobson are two. There were probably others. Waterloo is mentioned in Wendel's BYB as a possible candidate. I'm hoping some one has a picture of one somewhere with a known history. Thanks ,Jimmy O' Jim O'Hagan From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Mar 20 17:40:58 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:40:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <6f602516050320151664d60045@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f602516050320151664d60045@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <423E262A.2000604@earthlink.net> Peter, Here is the link I got to work for what it's worth. http://www.wizbangtools.com/ Not impressed with the site or the crap they sell. Sorry, I meant to say CRAP!! Good grief, does this link even belong on Jim's server? I don't think so. Jeff Allen Listerdiesel wrote: >On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:35:07 -0500, Skip Cleveland > wrote: > > >>It looks good . Doesn't go to my website. All I get is, this site is not >>available. This stuff is not easy is it? >>Skip >> >> > >Skip & John H: > >See my earlier post when I asked Skip to check the URL as I couldn't >get it to work. > >That is the URL that Skip posted in his original request, and that one >(in the original email) doesn't work either :-)) > >I can only use what I am given, guys! > >Peter > > From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sun Mar 20 18:17:49 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:17:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f602516050320151664d60045@mail.gmail.com> <000d01c52da7$f7649680$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <423E1EA9.6020303@telus.net> Message-ID: <006601c52dbc$2dfaa630$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> I have applied to a number of sites for a link to my site and uaed the www.wizbangtools.com address and it was rejected. I tried the http:// wizbangtools.com URL and it worked. Go figgure Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rupert Wenig" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > Hello Skip, > Both url's work for me using firefox. > > Rupert > > Skip Cleveland wrote: > >> http://www.wizbangtools.com >> http://wizbangtools.com >> >> Something in there should work.. >> Somebody fill me in here >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Sun Mar 20 18:24:35 2005 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:24:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Tom Dunlap References: <00f401c52d8a$4034b520$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <001501c52dbd$20c557c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> Here I am... i have responded several times ..i guess ebay doesnt always get it right.. Tom Dunlap 9308 Goldenrod San Antonio, Texas 78266 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:20 PM Subject: [SEL] Looking for Tom Dunlap Folks I am trying desperately to find Tom Dunlap. He purchased a copy of one of my 1911 Stover Reprint Manuals and paid for it by PayPal but he has never sent me an address so I can mail his book to him. I have sent him (3) e-mails requesting his mailing information and so far I have not received an answer to any of them. I would like to be able to mail the man's book to him, he has paid for it and should have it but without a mailing address I am stuck. Does anyone know Tom, if so can you send me his mailing address. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sun Mar 20 19:04:40 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:04:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f602516050320151664d60045@mail.gmail.com> <423E262A.2000604@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <007701c52dc2$b95aad00$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> How do you really feel? Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > Peter, > > Here is the link I got to work for what it's worth. > http://www.wizbangtools.com/ > > Not impressed with the site or the crap they sell. Sorry, I meant to say > CRAP!! Good grief, does this link even belong on Jim's server? I don't > think so. > > Jeff Allen > > Listerdiesel wrote: > >>On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:35:07 -0500, Skip Cleveland >> wrote: >> >>>It looks good . Doesn't go to my website. All I get is, this site is not >>>available. This stuff is not easy is it? >>>Skip >>> >> >>Skip & John H: >> >>See my earlier post when I asked Skip to check the URL as I couldn't >>get it to work. >> >>That is the URL that Skip posted in his original request, and that one >>(in the original email) doesn't work either :-)) >> >>I can only use what I am given, guys! >> >>Peter >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Mar 20 20:56:39 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:56:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org Message-ID: <20050321.001011.572.0.jlb94@juno.com> www.wizbangtools.com Worked fine for me. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Mar 20 21:10:11 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 00:10:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Message-ID: <20050321.001011.572.1.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks Paul and Peter I tried accessing their site but I got a "The Page Cannot Be Found" message. I no sooner sent the e-mail and then looked in the April GEM and found it. August 24th - 28th. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 22:50:50 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 06:50:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <000801c52da7$9bc03320$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <000701c52d9e$ac4ac0b0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <000801c52da7$9bc03320$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Message-ID: <6f602516050320225038113d64@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:50:34 -0500, Skip Cleveland wrote: > John: See if you can get to my site using > www.wizbangtools.com > I can access the site but maybe no one else can. > > Thanks. > Skip Skip: Here is the the text from your first email: "Do you suppose that I could put a link to my e-commerce website on your links page? www.wizbzngtools.com We are just getting it started and don't have many items for sale. We are looking for more items to list. We want to sell tools for everything not just mechanics tools. Thanks Skip & Betty Cleveland" Note that the url you provided then has a spelling mistake, while the url you have provided now has been corrected by you. THAT is why is didn't work originally. I'll correct the listing before I go to work. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 23:15:08 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:15:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050320202008.11205648@mail.alltel.net> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f602516050320151664d60045@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050320202008.11205648@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f602516050320231524646b2d@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:20:52 -0500, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > >I can only use what I am given, guys! > > > >Peter > > That's a DAMN POOR excuse if I ever heard one! > Dave Well, what do you expect at nearly midnight!! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 23:19:40 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:19:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <423E262A.2000604@earthlink.net> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f602516050320151664d60045@mail.gmail.com> <423E262A.2000604@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605032023192019acf9@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:40:58 -0700, Jeff Allen wrote: > Peter, > > Here is the link I got to work for what it's worth. > http://www.wizbangtools.com/ > > Not impressed with the site or the crap they sell. Sorry, I meant to say > CRAP!! Good grief, does this link even belong on Jim's server? I don't > think so. > > Jeff Allen Jim is the final arbiter on what goes on his site, Jeff, and he has given the go-ahead for Skip's site to be listed there. Whatever our personal thoughts may be, it behoves us all to remember the old saying:- "If you can't say anything good, say nothing at all" Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Mar 21 00:25:25 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:25:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland References: <20050320.184706.1328.0.jlb94@juno.com> <6f60251605032016116886c184@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <423E84F5.C6D38052@insulate.co.uk> Next Portland question - can anyone find the official Portland Show website? I like to put a link to it on my home page, but the one I've been using doesn't work any more: http://www.adamswells.com/~tristate/ Dolly Listerdiesel wrote: > > August 24th through 28th, at the Jay County Fairgrounds in Portland, Indiana > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From wmrohrer at myactv.net Mon Mar 21 02:28:12 2005 From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:28:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) Message-ID: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I have a questions about people bringing their dogs to the shows. Do you let them or ask them to leave them at home? We have around 25,000 people per day coming to our show. We have notice that in the last few years people have been bringing their dogs to the show. We have not had anyone bitten, but have had a few dog fights. The biggest problem is that when the dogs take a dump, the owner never stops or tries to clean it up. What do you do? What do you folks think? Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, Maryland USA Collector of Antique Farm Literature Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 02:48:16 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:48:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: <423E84F5.C6D38052@insulate.co.uk> References: <20050320.184706.1328.0.jlb94@juno.com> <6f60251605032016116886c184@mail.gmail.com> <423E84F5.C6D38052@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <6f602516050321024845b2c58f@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:25:25 +0000, Jim French wrote: > Next Portland question - can anyone find the official Portland Show website? I > like to put a link to it on my home page, but the one I've been using doesn't > work any more: > http://www.adamswells.com/~tristate/ > > Dolly I had the site bookmarked, but AdamsWells has seemingly not done the hosting this year, and there are dozens of web references to that site (which is still running BTW) which are broken now. I can't find any recent site for the club itself either. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 21 02:59:21 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:59:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg> I have been taking Jessie to shows for most of her life. Always well behaved and always ready with a stick for some kid to have a game. I always cleaned up on the odd occasion theat nature called. Always well received by the exhibitors and public. Always ready to give me instant obedience. At our last club rally, some prick put in a complaint about me having an unrestrained dog at the show! (In a 'public place) Yup! he was out to get at me any way he could. Sad, pathetic creature that he is! So, Jessie stays home now for this event. Funny thing is that I feel very much like doing the same. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Rohrer" To: "Engine list " Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:28 PM Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) > I have a questions about people bringing their dogs to the shows. Do you let > them or ask them to leave them at home? We have around 25,000 people per day > coming to our show. We have notice that in the last few years people have > been bringing their dogs to the show. We have not had anyone bitten, but > have had a few dog fights. The biggest problem is that when the dogs take a > dump, the owner never stops or tries to clean it up. What do you do? > > What do you folks think? > > > > > > Mike Rohrer > > Smithsburg, Maryland USA > > Collector of Antique Farm Literature > > Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ------------------------------ > > If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! > > Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Mar 21 04:29:47 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:29:47 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stover Duro info Message-ID: <032120051229.6662.423EBE3B0008E58700001A0621979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Don, will wait to hear from you again. Curt > If it wrms up a little Ill drive out to the storage building and get a few > pic s for you with the number..The littlr devill had me baffeled for yrs > trying to get it to run mine has a mag on it ( wrong one) but a good friend > of mine took it apart and it now will run for a while he had to make a new > carb jet ( out of a old welding tip from his wire welder) amoung a lot of > little things but he has it starting on the second twist of the fly wheels) > He,s a expert at makeing things run and start on the 2nd pull..he says the > first pull is to choke and the second is to run Everthing he has does > this!!! > Ill get you pics and stuff soon as the dept of the interior ie: War dept > lets me out with this darn cold > Don in cold Ohio > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 6:36 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover Duro info > > > > Hi Don, > > Thanks for the fast response. In the process of possible buying one, I > > hope. > > Does yours have serial number on it? If so where did you locate the > > actual > > number on the engine. Trying to get the old coot who has it to look for a > > serialnumber for me. As I am trying to determine its age,etc. If you > > have a > > number on yours please give it to me and I will research it in our Stover > > orginal sales records at club museum for you. No charge for this service, > > just part of my hobby. If you could take a few pics for me, the one I am > > looking at is missing a few parts. > > regards, > > Curt Andree > > > > > >> Hi curt > >> I got one of those little devils but am in the same boat as you...I did > >> get > >> it to run after a lot of false starts fun little engine > >> Don in Ohio > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: "SEL Lists" > >> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 6:40 AM > >> Subject: [SEL] Stover Duro info > >> > >> > >> > Hi All, > >> > Looking for Stover Duro owners. Need some info on the serial numbers. > >> > thankyou in advance, > >> > Curt Andree > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Mar 21 04:34:42 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:34:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Old Nuts Message-ID: Hi Everybody, There was a discussion a while back about which way to put on the old nuts when Curt Holland was putting together his Hercules buzz rig cart. I saw this from a different list and thought I'd pass it along. I also could scan a page from an old John Deere GP manual that also shows the flat side of the nut going toward the material being fastened or the head of the bolt. Thought some of you would be interested to know............ http://public.fotki.com/deanvp/tractor_plows/jd-1/plow_bolts/oliverboltheads.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From marvhed at ecenet.com Mon Mar 21 05:07:28 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:07:28 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Old Nuts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15197.199.62.0.252.1111410448.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> careful when talking about old nuts on this site!! there are more of us than you might care to know about :-)) marv in minn > Hi Everybody, > > There was a discussion a while back about which way to put on the old nuts > when Curt Holland was putting together his Hercules buzz rig cart. I saw > this from a different list and thought I'd pass it along. I also could > scan > a page from an old John Deere GP manual that also shows the flat side of > the > nut going toward the material being fastened or the head of the bolt. > Thought some of you would be interested to know............ > > http://public.fotki.com/deanvp/tractor_plows/jd-1/plow_bolts/oliverboltheads.html > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Mar 21 06:52:45 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 06:52:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Old Nuts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55310.165.206.180.118.1111416765.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Careful, Luke - I nearly responded based on my belief that the subject meant a discussion on Dave, etc. Bill > Hi Everybody, > > There was a discussion a while back about which way to put on the old nuts > when Curt Holland was putting together his Hercules buzz rig cart. I saw > this from a different list and thought I'd pass it along. I also could > scan > a page from an old John Deere GP manual that also shows the flat side of > the > nut going toward the material being fastened or the head of the bolt. > Thought some of you would be interested to know............ > > http://public.fotki.com/deanvp/tractor_plows/jd-1/plow_bolts/oliverboltheads.html > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu Mon Mar 21 08:31:58 2005 From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:31:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dairy Maid Engine Message-ID: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9DC@email05.bsu.edu> Jim, I have a picture of a 1 3/4HP (1911) Dairy Maid engine (aircooled) posted on my website, go to http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker/shows/portland-03/dairymaid1&3quarterhp1911.jpg I took this photograph at the Portland 2003 Show. I don't have any other information. Maybe this will be of some assistance/interest. Don Siefker 28 Miles SW of Portland, IN ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Sun 3/20/2005 8:23 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] Dairy Maid Engine Going on the premise that this Dairy Maid was sold by Montgomery Wards, Who manufactured engines for MW,? Stickney and Jacobson are two. There were probably others. Waterloo is mentioned in Wendel's BYB as a possible candidate. I'm hoping some one has a picture of one somewhere with a known history. Thanks ,Jimmy O' Jim O'Hagan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 21 08:35:45 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:35:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) Message-ID: <20050321.114329.828.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Mike, I have been taking Hunska (aka Honey) to shows for as long as I can remember. She has always been well behaved and I usually put her on a leash when I walk around the show site or get close to a kitchen area. At my station, she usually stays within the area. People have always been receptive to her as she is well behaved and not overly friendly. But, if you're eating a berger, she'll sit there and stare you to death. Any dog that won't listen and stay by the owner should not be allowed to run. Dog fights will happen - but usually because of human interference. Dog waste MUST be cleaned up by the owner - No if's, and's or but's. Usually, Hunska will need to do her business as soon as we park so I take her to the woods - first thing. I like to see dogs at shows - but I love dogs. I feel sorry for a dog that is on a leash of a "spectator" and is being lead around the grounds obviously not enjoying itself. If a person can't / won't control the dog - and the dog obviously don't want to be there - Leave it home. There are shows that do not allow any pets. I won't boycot a show because of it - but - That show won't be on top of my list. Thanks for the opportunity. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 21 08:10:10 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:10:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Message-ID: <20050321.114329.828.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Dolly, I tried this adamswell but got "The Page Cannot Be Found. The best results I've had are by asking Google.com but everything is past years. What I DID find seems to be from other people's sites. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:25:25 +0000 Jim French writes: > Next Portland question - can anyone find the official Portland Show > website? I > like to put a link to it on my home page, but the one I've been > using doesn't > work any more: > http://www.adamswells.com/tristate/ > > Dolly > > From BillMil357 at aol.com Mon Mar 21 09:31:01 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:31:01 EST Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. Message-ID: <62.5137779d.2f705ed5@aol.com> Hey Men, I was mounting a seat on a 1972 Cub Cadet Lawn tractor that I am restoring and a fellow gave me four 5/16 in. bolts to mount it , three of the bolts were fine but the other one I could not get the nut started, checked closer and I could not see a taper of the threads on the end for a left hand or right hand thread, I took one of the other bolts and put my thumb nail in the second thread from the end and turned the bolt to the right and my nail moved right up toward the head of the bolt, I did the same thing to the other bolt and my nail never move, it stayed in the same place on the bolt, turning it to the right of the left, so this bolt just had grooves cut into it straight around the bolt and not connected to the next groove, has anyone ever seen one if so what in the world are they for, it would mesh right in one of the other bolts same amount of grooves per inch. In my 76 years on this earth I have never seen anything like it, someone give me some info. on this it bugs me Ha Ha. I bet you people thought I was gone but I browse on here every day. Thanks, Bill Miller. Memphis, TN. From nick at holden1.net Mon Mar 21 12:25:28 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:25:28 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. References: <62.5137779d.2f705ed5@aol.com> Message-ID: <423F2DB8.000001.00412@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi bill i have seen bolts with no thread on them straight out of the box i think it just happens when they are making them something goes wrong i have also seen nuts with no thread in Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4284455&a=31644863&f= -------Original Message------- From: BillMil357 at aol.com Date: 03/21/05 17:47:44 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. Hey Men, I was mounting a seat on a 1972 Cub Cadet Lawn tractor that I am restoring and a fellow gave me four 5/16 in. bolts to mount it , three of the bolts were fine but the other one I could not get the nut started, checked closer and I could not see a taper of the threads on the end for a left hand or right hand thread, I took one of the other bolts and put my thumb nail in the second thread from the end and turned the bolt to the right and my nail moved right up toward the head of the bolt, I did the same thing to the other bolt and my nail never move, it stayed in the same place on the bolt, turning it to the right of the left, so this bolt just had grooves cut into it straight around the bolt and not connected to the next groove, has anyone ever seen one if so what in the world are they for, it would mesh right in one of the other bolts same amount of grooves per inch. In my 76 years on this earth I have never seen anything like it, someone give me some info. on this it bugs me Ha Ha. I bet you people thought I was gone but I browse on here every day. Thanks, Bill Miller. Memphis, TN. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Mar 21 11:10:59 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:10:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. References: <62.5137779d.2f705ed5@aol.com> Message-ID: <00bd01c52e57$a626f2d0$23d40304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Bill, The bolt you have is one that for some reason did not advance as it went through the thread rolling machine. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. > Hey Men, I was mounting a seat on a 1972 Cub Cadet Lawn tractor that I am > restoring and a fellow gave me four 5/16 in. bolts to mount it , three of > the > bolts were fine but the other one I could not get the nut started, checked > closer and I could not see a taper of the threads on the end for a left > hand or > right hand thread, I took one of the other bolts and put my thumb nail in > the > second thread from the end and turned the bolt to the right and my nail > moved > right up toward the head of the bolt, I did the same thing to the other > bolt > and my nail never move, it stayed in the same place on the bolt, turning > it > to the right of the left, so this bolt just had grooves cut into it > straight > around the bolt and not connected to the next groove, has anyone ever seen > one if so what in the world are they for, it would mesh right in one of > the > other bolts same amount of grooves per inch. In my 76 years on this earth > I have > never seen anything like it, someone give me some info. on this it bugs > me > Ha Ha. I bet you people thought I was gone but I browse on here every > day. > Thanks, > Bill Miller. > Memphis, TN. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bboyce at swat.coop Mon Mar 21 13:38:14 2005 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:38:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt/gun barrel References: <62.5137779d.2f705ed5@aol.com> <00bd01c52e57$a626f2d0$23d40304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <000a01c52e5e$4a6e18e0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> bill,, thats almost as weird as a gun barrel i bought once,,, i had ordered a heavy barrel/target upper for AR15 once,, glanced down the barrell to see if could see light, mounted the scope , hurridly ran a swab thru it once to clean out any dirt from shipping, mounted it on the lower and went shooting,,, couldnt get anything on a 2 foot square target at 100 yards, moved up to about 25 yards and bullet holes were all over the sheet, going in sideways even,,,,,, it was then that i took a close look down the barrel, and could find NO riflings,,,,,, had a hard time convincing the builder when i called him to return it,,, he said he'd NEVER had that happen before,,,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. > Hi Bill, > > The bolt you have is one that for some reason did not advance as it went > through the thread rolling machine. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:31 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. > > >> Hey Men, I was mounting a seat on a 1972 Cub Cadet Lawn tractor that I am >> restoring and a fellow gave me four 5/16 in. bolts to mount it , three of >> the >> bolts were fine but the other one I could not get the nut started, >> checked >> closer and I could not see a taper of the threads on the end for a left >> hand or >> right hand thread, I took one of the other bolts and put my thumb nail in >> the >> second thread from the end and turned the bolt to the right and my nail >> moved >> right up toward the head of the bolt, I did the same thing to the other >> bolt >> and my nail never move, it stayed in the same place on the bolt, turning >> it >> to the right of the left, so this bolt just had grooves cut into it >> straight >> around the bolt and not connected to the next groove, has anyone ever >> seen >> one if so what in the world are they for, it would mesh right in one of >> the >> other bolts same amount of grooves per inch. In my 76 years on this >> earth I have >> never seen anything like it, someone give me some info. on this it bugs >> me >> Ha Ha. I bet you people thought I was gone but I browse on here every >> day. >> Thanks, >> Bill Miller. >> Memphis, TN. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Mar 21 01:25:19 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:25:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland References: <20050320.184706.1328.0.jlb94@juno.com><6f60251605032016116886c184@mail.gmail.com> <423E84F5.C6D38052@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <000b01c52df7$e66e5690$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> I tried them all Helen, the site is out of cyber space at the moment. Have a nice day, John H. > Next Portland question - can anyone find the official Portland Show website? I > like to put a link to it on my home page, but the one I've been using doesn't > work any more: > http://www.adamswells.com/~tristate/ > > Dolly engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Mar 21 13:40:05 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:40:05 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com><003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty><6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com><00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty><6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com><004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty><6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com><010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty><000701c52d9e$ac4ac0b0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <000801c52da7$9bc03320$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Message-ID: <001501c52e5e$8b9f65d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Skip, I got it loud and clear. The only thing I would say is, the pictures are a little small to see the item well. Good oppertunity for Betty to visit her family the end of July, while you visit the HMT show in Panningen :o)) Regards, John H. > John: See if you can get to my site using > www.wizbangtools.com > I can access the site but maybe no one else can. > > Thanks. > Skip > Ps. Betty is one of your fellow countrymen, she was borne in Rotterdam, her > brother and family live in Ede. From wmrohrer at myactv.net Mon Mar 21 14:14:45 2005 From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:14:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) In-Reply-To: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200503212216.j2LMG7eK094108@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Let me add this: We have no problem with exhibitors having their pets of any kind at our show. This is because you all know how to take care of them and they are around lots of people. I have a problem with the public bringing them. Most don't get out with this many people around them. Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, Maryland USA Collector of Antique Farm Literature Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Rohrer Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 5:28 AM To: Engine list Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) I have a questions about people bringing their dogs to the shows. Do you let them or ask them to leave them at home? We have around 25,000 people per day coming to our show. We have notice that in the last few years people have been bringing their dogs to the show. We have not had anyone bitten, but have had a few dog fights. The biggest problem is that when the dogs take a dump, the owner never stops or tries to clean it up. What do you do? What do you folks think? Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, Maryland USA Collector of Antique Farm Literature Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rexhinz at chorus.net Mon Mar 21 14:45:54 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:45:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. References: <62.5137779d.2f705ed5@aol.com> Message-ID: <002b01c52e67$bfd4f140$6286a5d8@mycomputer> BILL ; Someone may have mixed in a huck bolt , a huck bolt has only groves and the nut of a huck bolt has no threads , it slids over the bolt while being pulled to the right tourqe then the nut is compressed or squashed down till it is mashed into the grooves of the bolt , most all trucks use this method today , they look like a regular bolt otherwise, they are proabbly made at the same factory as the regular bolts and may have got mixed , just a thought Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. > Hey Men, I was mounting a seat on a 1972 Cub Cadet Lawn tractor that I am > restoring and a fellow gave me four 5/16 in. bolts to mount it , three of the > bolts were fine but the other one I could not get the nut started, checked > closer and I could not see a taper of the threads on the end for a left hand or > right hand thread, I took one of the other bolts and put my thumb nail in the > second thread from the end and turned the bolt to the right and my nail moved > right up toward the head of the bolt, I did the same thing to the other bolt > and my nail never move, it stayed in the same place on the bolt, turning it > to the right of the left, so this bolt just had grooves cut into it straight > around the bolt and not connected to the next groove, has anyone ever seen > one if so what in the world are they for, it would mesh right in one of the > other bolts same amount of grooves per inch. In my 76 years on this earth I have > never seen anything like it, someone give me some info. on this it bugs me > Ha Ha. I bet you people thought I was gone but I browse on here every day. > Thanks, > Bill Miller. > Memphis, TN. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Mar 21 15:25:13 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:25:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. In-Reply-To: <002b01c52e67$bfd4f140$6286a5d8@mycomputer> References: <62.5137779d.2f705ed5@aol.com> <002b01c52e67$bfd4f140$6286a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: Hi Rex, Huh, never heard of those Huck bolts before. They're like a Godzilla size pop-rivet! There's quite a range of sizes & styles. Thanks for "something new." See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Rex Hinz wrote: > Someone may have mixed in a huck bolt , a huck bolt has only groves and > the nut of a huck bolt has no threads , it slids over the bolt while being > pulled to the right tourqe then the nut is compressed or squashed down till > it is mashed into the grooves of the bolt , most all trucks use this method > today , they look like a regular bolt otherwise, they are proabbly made at > the same factory as the regular bolts and may have got mixed , just a > thought From BillMil357 at aol.com Mon Mar 21 15:31:09 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:31:09 EST Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt Message-ID: <9f.5b5636cc.2f70b33d@aol.com> Hey Guy's, Its not that this bolt didn't have any thread and was just smooth, it had grooves and ridges from the end all the way to the bolt head and to look at it you would think it had good threads. Jim has the answer, I was thinking about a die cutting the threads, but if the threads were rolled, when the machine started rolling the machine would have to advance enough for each groove to line up with the groove beside it when the bolt made one turn in the machine, am I right Jim? I knew you good people would have the answer. Thanks a Million, Bill Miller Memphis, TN. From BillMil357 at aol.com Mon Mar 21 15:45:01 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:45:01 EST Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. Message-ID: <64.516b595e.2f70b67d@aol.com> Rex, You done messed my mind all up now Ha. I never heard of a huck bolt before is that nut red hot when they squeeze it down in the threads of the bolt, I would hate to be the OLE boy that was trying to take one of those nuts off a truck. Thanks, Bill. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 16:30:13 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:30:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. In-Reply-To: References: <62.5137779d.2f705ed5@aol.com> <002b01c52e67$bfd4f140$6286a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <6f6025160503211630227d31d@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:25:13 -0500 (EST), Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Rex, > > Huh, never heard of those Huck bolts before. They're like a Godzilla size > pop-rivet! There's quite a range of sizes & styles. Thanks for > "something new." > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Rex Hinz wrote: > > > Someone may have mixed in a huck bolt , a huck bolt has only groves and > > the nut of a huck bolt has no threads , it slids over the bolt while being > > pulled to the right tourqe then the nut is compressed or squashed down till > > it is mashed into the grooves of the bolt , most all trucks use this method > > today , they look like a regular bolt otherwise, they are proabbly made at > > the same factory as the regular bolts and may have got mixed , just a > > thought Probably worth mentioning that they are used on bodywork mainly, not normally for highly stressed chassis parts. The come with a special air-operated tool to pull the shank through and snap it off. One US suppliers here: http://www.duncanbolt.com/Huck/huck.html Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Mar 21 16:50:43 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:50:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. In-Reply-To: <002b01c52e67$bfd4f140$6286a5d8@mycomputer> References: <62.5137779d.2f705ed5@aol.com> <002b01c52e67$bfd4f140$6286a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050321175601.1119ff38@mail.alltel.net> Hi Rex, I'll be damned! a week or so ago I tried to screw a nut onto a bolt that was exactly as you describe. When it wouldn't go on I handed it to Arnie and said "Look at this mother hucker." >BILL ; > > Someone may have mixed in a huck bolt , a huck bolt has only groves and >the nut of a huck bolt has no threads , it slids over the bolt while being >pulled to the right tourqe then the nut is compressed or squashed down till >it is mashed into the grooves of the bolt , most all trucks use this method >today , they look like a regular bolt otherwise, they are proabbly made at >the same factory as the regular bolts and may have got mixed , just a >thought > >Rex Hinz > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 11:31 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. > > > > Hey Men, I was mounting a seat on a 1972 Cub Cadet Lawn tractor that I am > > restoring and a fellow gave me four 5/16 in. bolts to mount it , three of >the > > bolts were fine but the other one I could not get the nut started, checked > > closer and I could not see a taper of the threads on the end for a left >hand or > > right hand thread, I took one of the other bolts and put my thumb nail in >the > > second thread from the end and turned the bolt to the right and my nail >moved > > right up toward the head of the bolt, I did the same thing to the other >bolt > > and my nail never move, it stayed in the same place on the bolt, turning >it > > to the right of the left, so this bolt just had grooves cut into it >straight > > around the bolt and not connected to the next groove, has anyone ever seen > > one if so what in the world are they for, it would mesh right in one of >the > > other bolts same amount of grooves per inch. In my 76 years on this earth >I have > > never seen anything like it, someone give me some info. on this it bugs >me > > Ha Ha. I bet you people thought I was gone but I browse on here every >day. > > Thanks, > > Bill Miller. > > Memphis, TN. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FGreatwestern at aol.com Mon Mar 21 16:55:12 2005 From: FGreatwestern at aol.com (FGreatwestern at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:55:12 EST Subject: [SEL] Brunner Engines Message-ID: <1fa.4dcc1e2.2f70c6f0@aol.com> Does anyone have ANY information on these engines? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you very much. Fred Schultz in MI From weolson at wiktel.com Mon Mar 21 16:56:15 2005 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:56:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. References: <62.5137779d.2f705ed5@aol.com> Message-ID: <423F6D2F.10909@wiktel.com> Yes, I've run into a bolt like this a couple of times. I believe the threads on these bolts are not cut, but rolled into the body of the bolt. Apparently the rolling dies got out of adjustment for the bolt. I also believe that all Grade 8 bolts have rolled rather than cut threads, more like a forged bolt then. I could b wrong, but I think this is the way it's done. William Olson - Northern Minnesota. BillMil357 at aol.com wrote: >Hey Men, I was mounting a seat on a 1972 Cub Cadet Lawn tractor that I am >restoring and a fellow gave me four 5/16 in. bolts to mount it , three of the >bolts were fine but the other one I could not get the nut started, checked >closer and I could not see a taper of the threads on the end for a left hand or >right hand thread, I took one of the other bolts and put my thumb nail in the >second thread from the end and turned the bolt to the right and my nail moved > right up toward the head of the bolt, I did the same thing to the other bolt >and my nail never move, it stayed in the same place on the bolt, turning it >to the right of the left, so this bolt just had grooves cut into it straight >around the bolt and not connected to the next groove, has anyone ever seen >one if so what in the world are they for, it would mesh right in one of the >other bolts same amount of grooves per inch. In my 76 years on this earth I have >never seen anything like it, someone give me some info. on this it bugs me >Ha Ha. I bet you people thought I was gone but I browse on here every day. >Thanks, >Bill Miller. >Memphis, TN. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 21 17:35:43 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:35:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Key Security Message-ID: <00ce01c52e7f$79357d00$230110ac@PAUL> Ok gang I need your help again. As most of you know I have a part time job where I help manage a 60 unit apartment complex and do all of the maintenance. The office is about 10' X 10' in size, we have a steel entry door with a dead bolt lock, the office has one outside window and we have bars over it so we felt pretty protected. The tenants spare apartment keys are locked in a key cabinet that is mounted on the wall inside of the office. Last week we had an intruder gain access to our attic, walk over to the top of the office and just bust through the ceiling into the office. He gained access to the key cabinet once in the office and got some of the tenants keys as well as obtained the keys to the Laundromat which he used to gain access to the coin boxes and emptied all of them out. We are now in the process of re-keying the whole complex at a cost of about $3000.00. The owners have asked me to come up with a more secure way of keeping the tenants keys in the office. Every key cabinet that I find on the Internet that is capable of holding about 180 keys is made only of light gauge metal, 10 gauge, etc. I was trying to find a heavy duty key safe like the old floor model safes you use to see in some of the offices but have been unable to find one made for keys. I am looking for suggestions on how to obtain maximum security for storing the apartment keys in the office. Any help or advice will be appreciated. Thanks, Paul From stevebarr at ameritech.net Mon Mar 21 17:43:51 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:43:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Brunner Engines In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050322014351.72540.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Fred I know a collector in Peru IL who has a Brunner Inverted Engine. They also have an inverted compressor that is underging restoration. The castings are simular in size, but very different. 2 pictures at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004Sycamore/81.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004Sycamore/82.JPG I have more pictures on several different show pictures. There is a different person in Peru, IL who sells reproduction Brunner catalogs on ebay. Steve --- FGreatwestern at aol.com wrote: > Does anyone have ANY information on these engines? Any help would be > appreciated. Thank you very much. > Fred Schultz in MI > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From solarrog at pacbell.net Mon Mar 21 17:54:39 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:54:39 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Key Security References: <00ce01c52e7f$79357d00$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <015501c52e82$1d1b9420$75017643@D6R3D961> Paul have the door sets master keyed, Then you only need one key for the all units. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 5:35 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Key Security Ok gang I need your help again. As most of you know I have a part time job where I help manage a 60 unit apartment complex and do all of the maintenance. The office is about 10' X 10' in size, we have a steel entry door with a dead bolt lock, the office has one outside window and we have bars over it so we felt pretty protected. The tenants spare apartment keys are locked in a key cabinet that is mounted on the wall inside of the office. Last week we had an intruder gain access to our attic, walk over to the top of the office and just bust through the ceiling into the office. He gained access to the key cabinet once in the office and got some of the tenants keys as well as obtained the keys to the Laundromat which he used to gain access to the coin boxes and emptied all of them out. We are now in the process of re-keying the whole complex at a cost of about $3000.00. The owners have asked me to come up with a more secure way of keeping the tenants keys in the office. Every key cabinet that I find on the Internet that is capable of holding about 180 keys is made only of light gauge metal, 10 gauge, etc. I was trying to find a heavy duty key safe like the old floor model safes you use to see in some of the offices but have been unable to find one made for keys. I am looking for suggestions on how to obtain maximum security for storing the apartment keys in the office. Any help or advice will be appreciated. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mrengine at comcast.net Mon Mar 21 17:54:38 2005 From: mrengine at comcast.net (mrengine at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:54:38 +0000 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Key Security Message-ID: <032220050154.22173.423F7ADD000E1F690000569D22007456720A020709020A9D03@comcast.net> You could securely install a wall safe then put a cheap cabinet with hooks inside to hang the keys on. You had that pumper running lately? Frank -------------- Original message -------------- > Ok gang I need your help again. As most of you know I have a part time job where > I help manage a 60 unit apartment complex and do all of the maintenance. The > office is about 10' X 10' in size, we have a steel entry door with a dead bolt > lock, the office has one outside window and we have bars over it so we felt > pretty protected. The tenants spare apartment keys are locked in a key cabinet > that is mounted on the wall inside of the office. > > Last week we had an intruder gain access to our attic, walk over to the top of > the office and just bust through the ceiling into the office. He gained access > to the key cabinet once in the office and got some of the tenants keys as well > as obtained the keys to the Laundromat which he used to gain access to the coin > boxes and emptied all of them out. We are now in the process of re-keying the > whole complex at a cost of about $3000.00. > > The owners have asked me to come up with a more secure way of keeping the > tenants keys in the office. Every key cabinet that I find on the Internet that > is capable of holding about 180 keys is made only of light gauge metal, 10 > gauge, etc. I was trying to find a heavy duty key safe like the old floor model > safes you use to see in some of the offices but have been unable to find one > made for keys. > > I am looking for suggestions on how to obtain maximum security for storing the > apartment keys in the office. Any help or advice will be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 21 16:34:26 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:34:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Tom Dunlap References: <00f401c52d8a$4034b520$230110ac@PAUL> <001501c52dbd$20c557c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <00b401c52e77$09524660$230110ac@PAUL> Tom your Stover Catalog was mailed out at 12:46 PM today via Priority Mail, hopefully you will have it in a couple of days. Sorry for the delay in getting it to you. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for Tom Dunlap > Here I am... i have responded several times ..i guess ebay doesnt always > get > it right.. > > > Tom Dunlap > 9308 Goldenrod > San Antonio, Texas 78266 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "Stationary Engine List" > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:20 PM > Subject: [SEL] Looking for Tom Dunlap > > > Folks I am trying desperately to find Tom Dunlap. He purchased a copy of > one > of my 1911 Stover Reprint Manuals and paid for it by PayPal but he has > never > sent me an address so I can mail his book to him. I have sent him (3) > e-mails requesting his mailing information and so far I have not received > an > answer to any of them. I would like to be able to mail the man's book to > him, he has paid for it and should have it but without a mailing address I > am stuck. Does anyone know Tom, if so can you send me his mailing address. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Mon Mar 21 18:02:03 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:02:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Key Security References: <00ce01c52e7f$79357d00$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <00cd01c52e83$24969910$a65bef18@pengy> An idea might be to enlist a local fabricator to build a heavy steel cabinet in which to place one of the commercially available key cabinets. A good fabricator can build you something that looks good and will be very very difficult to compromise. If you've spent 3k already another 300 or so on a cabinet is worth it. I agree what is sold today is a joke. Those cabinets won't keep anyone out if they are determined to get in. I've been in in this situation before and I know what it takes to keep someone out. Maybe buy an old floor safe? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:35 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Key Security Ok gang I need your help again. As most of you know I have a part time job where I help manage a 60 unit apartment complex and do all of the maintenance. The office is about 10' X 10' in size, we have a steel entry door with a dead bolt lock, the office has one outside window and we have bars over it so we felt pretty protected. The tenants spare apartment keys are locked in a key cabinet that is mounted on the wall inside of the office. Last week we had an intruder gain access to our attic, walk over to the top of the office and just bust through the ceiling into the office. He gained access to the key cabinet once in the office and got some of the tenants keys as well as obtained the keys to the Laundromat which he used to gain access to the coin boxes and emptied all of them out. We are now in the process of re-keying the whole complex at a cost of about $3000.00. The owners have asked me to come up with a more secure way of keeping the tenants keys in the office. Every key cabinet that I find on the Internet that is capable of holding about 180 keys is made only of light gauge metal, 10 gauge, etc. I was trying to find a heavy duty key safe like the old floor model safes you use to see in some of the offices but have been unable to find one made for keys. I am looking for suggestions on how to obtain maximum security for storing the apartment keys in the office. Any help or advice will be appreciated. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rexhinz at chorus.net Mon Mar 21 18:08:34 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:08:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. References: <64.516b595e.2f70b67d@aol.com> Message-ID: <000d01c52e84$0ff01440$4686a5d8@mycomputer> Bill; The nut is squashed without heat . If you get near any tractor trailer set up take a look at the bolts holding the suspension on , the only wat to remove a huck bolt is a gas wrench , then you replace it with a grade 8 bolt and nut I think the factories did this to save time on the assembly line, You may be able to do a search for huck fastners and see a pic Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. > Rex, > > You done messed my mind all up now Ha. I never heard of a huck bolt before > is that nut red hot when they squeeze it down in the threads of the bolt, I > would hate to be the OLE boy that was trying to take one of those nuts off a > truck. > > Thanks, > Bill. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 21 17:51:12 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:51:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. References: <62.5137779d.2f705ed5@aol.com><002b01c52e67$bfd4f140$6286a5d8@mycomputer> <6.1.2.0.0.20050321175601.1119ff38@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <016201c52e84$94e4a3a0$0301a8c0@Reg> Oh, quick, very quick!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. > Hi Rex, > I'll be damned! a week or so ago I tried to screw a nut onto a > bolt that was exactly as you describe. When it wouldn't go on I handed it > to Arnie and said "Look at this mother hucker." From rexhinz at chorus.net Mon Mar 21 18:16:38 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:16:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. References: <62.5137779d.2f705ed5@aol.com><002b01c52e67$bfd4f140$6286a5d8@mycomputer> <6f6025160503211630227d31d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001301c52e85$30761420$4686a5d8@mycomputer> Hi Peter; All our Kenworths and Peterbilts have huck bolts holding the frame. suspension . spring hangers, and all the high stress chasis parts , most of them are around 5/8" to 3/4 " dia. Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:25:13 -0500 (EST), Arnie Fero > wrote: > > Hi Rex, > > > > Huh, never heard of those Huck bolts before. They're like a Godzilla size > > pop-rivet! There's quite a range of sizes & styles. Thanks for > > "something new." > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > Arnie Fero > > Pittsburgh, PA > > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Rex Hinz wrote: > > > > > Someone may have mixed in a huck bolt , a huck bolt has only groves and > > > the nut of a huck bolt has no threads , it slids over the bolt while being > > > pulled to the right tourqe then the nut is compressed or squashed down till > > > it is mashed into the grooves of the bolt , most all trucks use this method > > > today , they look like a regular bolt otherwise, they are proabbly made at > > > the same factory as the regular bolts and may have got mixed , just a > > > thought > > Probably worth mentioning that they are used on bodywork mainly, not > normally for highly stressed chassis parts. The come with a special > air-operated tool to pull the shank through and snap it off. > > One US suppliers here: > > http://www.duncanbolt.com/Huck/huck.html > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BillMil357 at aol.com Mon Mar 21 18:53:46 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:53:46 EST Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. Message-ID: <87.23ebdae9.2f70e2ba@aol.com> Rex, I have seen those on frames of trucks but never thought how they operated. Thanks, Bill. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 21 18:59:04 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:59:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Key Security References: <032220050154.22173.423F7ADD000E1F690000569D22007456720A020709020A9D03@comcast.net> Message-ID: <011d01c52e8b$1e66e9c0$230110ac@PAUL> Hello Frank, This is what I was thinking about doing only I was thinking about a big old floor safe, a wall safe would be better. Good to hear from you. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Key Security > You could securely install a wall safe then put a cheap cabinet with hooks > inside to hang the keys on. You had that pumper running lately? Frank > > -------------- Original message -------------- > >> Ok gang I need your help again. As most of you know I have a part time >> job where >> I help manage a 60 unit apartment complex and do all of the maintenance. >> The >> office is about 10' X 10' in size, we have a steel entry door with a dead >> bolt From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 21 19:00:16 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:00:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Key Security References: <00ce01c52e7f$79357d00$230110ac@PAUL> <015501c52e82$1d1b9420$75017643@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <012201c52e8b$4ef8d7b0$230110ac@PAUL> Roger we have all of the apartments keyed to a Master Key but when a new tenant moves in they get two entry keys and we keep a spare key in the cabinet in case they misplace one. When an apartment is vacant there is three keys hanging on the hook. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger DiRuscio" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Key Security > Paul have the door sets master keyed, Then you only need one key for the > all units. > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts > Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc > Collector of antique engines > Fremont,Ca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 21 19:01:03 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:01:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Key Security References: <00ce01c52e7f$79357d00$230110ac@PAUL> <00cd01c52e83$24969910$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <012301c52e8b$64bdcf60$230110ac@PAUL> I think that this would be a good idea and one which I will pursue. Thanks Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Key Security > An idea might be to enlist a local fabricator to build a heavy steel > cabinet in which to place one of the commercially available key cabinets. > A good fabricator can build you something that looks good and will be very > very difficult to compromise. If you've spent 3k already another 300 or > so on a cabinet is worth it. I agree what is sold today is a joke. Those > cabinets won't keep anyone out if they are determined to get in. I've > been in in this situation before and I know what it takes to keep someone > out. > > Maybe buy an old floor safe? > > Rick > > From rustyiron at bigpond.com Mon Mar 21 09:14:11 2005 From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:14:11 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Paul Maples Message-ID: <006801c52e39$780c1b00$0a1dfea9@ibmbnh186c> Hi Paul, Have you changed your e-mail address? I've sent a couple of e-mails but they have returned. I need to talk of list. Andy...... Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com From BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com Mon Mar 21 21:41:00 2005 From: BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com (Barry Gorman) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:41:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to throw the blame in the wrong direction , Regards , Barry Gorman Glorious Hunter Valley NSW AUSTRALIA BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg Ingold" At our last club rally, some prick put in a complaint about me having an unrestrained dog at the show! (In a 'public place) Yup! he was out to get at me any way he could. Sad, pathetic creature that he is! So, Jessie stays home now for this event. Funny thing is that I feel very much like doing the same. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 21 22:17:58 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:17:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg> <008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> Message-ID: <01df01c52ea8$3979e380$0301a8c0@Reg> I was going to answer this but, he aint worth the effort. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Gorman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) > Reg , > I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , > Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled > under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to > throw the blame in the wrong direction , > Regards , > Barry Gorman > Glorious Hunter Valley > NSW AUSTRALIA > BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg Ingold" > At our last club rally, some prick put in a complaint about me having an > unrestrained dog at the show! (In a 'public place) > Yup! he was out to get at me any way he could. Sad, pathetic creature that > he is! > So, Jessie stays home now for this event. > Funny thing is that I feel very much like doing the same. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Mar 21 23:30:13 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:30:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg> <008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> Message-ID: <007f01c52eb0$fd18cd30$715e1fd3@morris> G'day Barry And what "The Law" would that be Kerry Morris > Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , > Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled > under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to > throw the blame in the wrong direction , > Regards , > Barry Gorman - > From: "Reg Ingold" > At our last club rally, some prick put in a complaint about me having an > unrestrained dog at the show! (In a 'public place) > Yup! he was out to get at me any way he could. Sad, pathetic creature that > he is! > So, Jessie stays home now for this event. > Funny thing is that I feel very much like doing the same. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 23:47:17 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:47:17 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. In-Reply-To: <001301c52e85$30761420$4686a5d8@mycomputer> References: <62.5137779d.2f705ed5@aol.com> <002b01c52e67$bfd4f140$6286a5d8@mycomputer> <6f6025160503211630227d31d@mail.gmail.com> <001301c52e85$30761420$4686a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <6f602516050321234728d95eca@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:16:38 -0600, Rex Hinz wrote: > Hi Peter; > > All our Kenworths and Peterbilts have huck bolts holding the frame. > suspension . spring hangers, and all the high stress chasis parts , most of > them are around 5/8" to 3/4 " dia. > > Rex They have obviously improved them! In the 1970's when I worked on trucks in the UK, they were only up to 5/16" stem and ISTR only approved for lightly stressed stuff, hence my comment. Most truck makers in the UK at the time used rivets or fitted bolts. Bedford for example used rivets for their spring hangers and cross-members, but bolts for other parts. Scania used bolts almost everywhere, with rivets for cross-members etc., the two UK independents ERF and Foden used fitted bolts into close-tolerance holes. Nothing much left here in the way of truck makers, only a bit of sub-assembly noe plus a few specialist assemblers. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Mar 22 02:56:52 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:56:52 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <007f01c52eb0$fd18cd30$715e1fd3@morris> Message-ID: <001101c52ecd$e0734030$37c63dca@ogborneuah38i3> I always take my mate Gibo to the shows ,being a Kangaroo he can carry a few things in the pouch ,ie spanners and even the tinnies. He doesn't say much and his shit is easier to pick up than barkers eggs. I did ask Chester if he would like to go to shows but he would prefer to stay home,[ at least that is what i presumed Woof Woof to mean!] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) > G'day Barry > > And what "The Law" would that be > > > Kerry Morris > > >> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , >> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled >> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to >> throw the blame in the wrong direction , >> Regards , >> Barry Gorman > - >> From: "Reg Ingold" >> At our last club rally, some prick put in a complaint about me having an >> unrestrained dog at the show! (In a 'public place) >> Yup! he was out to get at me any way he could. Sad, pathetic creature >> that >> he is! >> So, Jessie stays home now for this event. >> Funny thing is that I feel very much like doing the same. >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Mar 22 03:31:26 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:31:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Edison Splitdorf Message-ID: <6f6025160503220331759d2397@mail.gmail.com> We had a trip down to Surrey last evening to pick up some ebay stuff that we had bought in the USA and had shipped to our friends in California. The 'family' transportation system eventually brought it back here, so we were able to have a look at our purchases. The main item was an Edison-Splitdorf service manual, dating from the late 1940's. A large 2" thick loose-bound item, it has a lot of original fitting information plus most of the Splitfdorf magneto spares lists and service info, all useful stuff. One item that caught my eye was that Thomas A Edison Co bought Splitdorf originally, but some pages in the book show Wico as the owners of the company, whether that is Edison or just Splitdorf I don't know, but I'd appreciate any info on that side of things. In the late 1940's there must have been a huge contraction in the magneto marketplace, with diesels coming along in smaller sizes and the aero industry downsizing after the war. Wico appears to have had a big chunk of the dwindling market by then, and they also went through ownership changes, first with Globe-Union and then with Prestolite. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From curt at imc-group.com Tue Mar 22 05:02:22 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:02:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg> <008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> Message-ID: <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> Barry, In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but there was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash against the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting one of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT a requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that said, I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps local ordinances could dictate....but laws? Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at engines from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm guessing the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite difficult unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length of the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side toward the fence. For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators to clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we were in side shaft heaven! Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white bum showing in public was against the law too ;-) So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. Barry Gorman wrote: > Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , > Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled > under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to > throw the blame in the wrong direction , > Regards , > Barry Gorman From Vivas1993 at aol.com Tue Mar 22 06:53:55 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:53:55 EST Subject: [SEL] Great engine day Message-ID: <7e.65e5feae.2f718b83@aol.com> G'day folks, Monday was a great day for me ! I finally took delivery of an engine that I have been wanting for a very long time. The new toy is an 8hp R&T Austral :-) My engine buddy, Leo & I met Ron & Donna, who hauled the engine from Cal. to Va. around 11:30 Monday morning. After the unloading the engine from their trailer to Leo's rollback, and the usual engine talk, Ron & Donna were off to PA. and we took the Austral to Leo's place. Once we looked the Austral over for a while, seeing things that needed to be repaired or replaced, we belted the engine up to Leo's JD tractor to spin it over for a while. A couple of valves needed adjusting and the timing valve was stuck & way out of time. The fuel trap was removed & cleaned, a new gasket was made for the air valve case, along with a few more things needing attention. Once all these items were taken care of, we decided to try to start it. The fuel tank is in bad shape, so we just poued the kero. in the fuel trap. We don't have a starting lamp, so we heated the hotbulb with a couple of propane torches. With the old JD turning the engine over, we finally got some smoke coming out of the muffler. After a little more heat & pouring kero., it was running on it's own, after who knows how long !!! There are still several parts that need work or replacing, but it sure runs nice ;o) To borrow a line from a famous fellow - Life Is Good !!!! Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 22 07:00:01 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:00:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) In-Reply-To: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike, Your last comment is the most relevant. One could try embarrassing the lazy owner by calling out VERY loudly "Hey mister, a part just fell off your dog." The other thing that would be a good idea would be to do a "baggie check" when the owner brings his dog in past the gate. If he's not got a couple of baggies in his pocket he's probably a clod who has no intention of cleaning up after his pooch and they should be refused entrance. No guarentees that a baggie carrier will clean up, but I'd be willing to bet on it. See ya, Arnie On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Mike Rohrer wrote: > I have a questions about people bringing their dogs to the shows. Do you let > them or ask them to leave them at home? We have around 25,000 people per day > coming to our show. We have notice that in the last few years people have > been bringing their dogs to the show. We have not had anyone bitten, but > have had a few dog fights. The biggest problem is that when the dogs take a > dump, the owner never stops or tries to clean it up. What do you do? From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Mar 22 07:17:34 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:17:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) Message-ID: <20050322.103106.1312.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Peter, I always take my mate Gibo to the shows ,being a Kangaroo he can carry a few things in the pouch ,ie spanners and even the tinnies. = = = = = = = = = Very - Very Kewl !!! In my original response to this I touched a little on dogs being led around the show and not enjoying being there. But - people want to bring their pets. I guess we have to understand that the pet is a "part of the family", (at least mine is) and, people will bring them to the show or stay away. I think a notice posted that animals MUST be under control and MUST be picked up after, should be sufficient. I don't necessarily mean they have to be leashed but if a dog is prone to jump on people or invade people's space, or start fights with other dogs, or not responsive to the owner's call, then maybe they need a leash. If they poop - it MUST be cleaned up - and - the owner should be responsible. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Mar 22 07:34:54 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:34:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) Message-ID: <20050322.103454.1312.8.jlb94@juno.com> Good idea Arnie - Like there are "baggie stations" in South Park and North Park (County Parks) - why not build some baggie stations around the show site ? Baggies come on a roll like in the produce section of the supermarket. It wouldn't be too tough a project. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 22 07:56:43 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:56:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Great engine day In-Reply-To: <7e.65e5feae.2f718b83@aol.com> References: <7e.65e5feae.2f718b83@aol.com> Message-ID: CONGRATS Dwight!! Just one question... where are the pictures??? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 Vivas1993 at aol.com wrote: > Monday was a great day for me ! I finally took delivery of an engine that I > have been wanting for a very long time. The new toy is an 8hp R&T Austral :-) From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 22 08:03:35 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:03:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Great engine day In-Reply-To: <7e.65e5feae.2f718b83@aol.com> Message-ID: <200503221603.j2MG3dHV065829@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> >G'day folks, Monday was a great day for me ! I finally took >delivery of an engine that I have been wanting for a very >long time. The new toy is an 8hp R&T Austral :-) . Excellent Dwight! Australs are neat engines. Do you have any pictures of the engine or that guy standing next to her with the big grin on his face? Rob From carriagehillfarm at att.net Tue Mar 22 08:48:19 2005 From: carriagehillfarm at att.net (Jim Fisk) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:48:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] LeSueur County Pioneer Power Swap Meet Dates Message-ID: Anyone know the dates for this years LeSueur County Pioneer Power Swap Meet? (Minnesota) Jim From marvhed at ecenet.com Tue Mar 22 10:19:20 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:19:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] LeSueur County Pioneer Power Swap Meet Dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10450.199.62.0.252.1111515560.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> LeSUEUR PIONEER SWAP MEET April 22-24, 2005 marv in minn > Anyone know the dates for this years LeSueur County Pioneer Power Swap > Meet? > (Minnesota) > > Jim > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Mar 22 10:57:09 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:57:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Key Security In-Reply-To: <00ce01c52e7f$79357d00$230110ac@PAUL> References: <00ce01c52e7f$79357d00$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <42406A85.90706@fidnet.com> You might look at something like a gun safe. That would probably accomodate a key cabined. You could also make a key board out of plywood, etc. that would fit coustom fit the interior of the gun safe. One advantage of such an arrangement is that you can put other things in the safe. Gary Paul Maples wrote: > Ok gang I need your help again. As most of you know I have a part time job where I help manage a 60 unit apartment complex and do all of the maintenance. The office is about 10' X 10' in size, we have a steel entry door with a dead bolt lock, the office has one outside window and we have bars over it so we felt pretty protected. The tenants spare apartment keys are locked in a key cabinet that is mounted on the wall inside of the office. > > Last week we had an intruder gain access to our attic, walk over to the top of the office and just bust through the ceiling into the office. He gained access to the key cabinet once in the office and got some of the tenants keys as well as obtained the keys to the Laundromat which he used to gain access to the coin boxes and emptied all of them out. We are now in the process of re-keying the whole complex at a cost of about $3000.00. > > The owners have asked me to come up with a more secure way of keeping the tenants keys in the office. Every key cabinet that I find on the Internet that is capable of holding about 180 keys is made only of light gauge metal, 10 gauge, etc. I was trying to find a heavy duty key safe like the old floor model safes you use to see in some of the offices but have been unable to find one made for keys. > > I am looking for suggestions on how to obtain maximum security for storing the apartment keys in the office. Any help or advice will be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Mar 22 11:06:12 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:06:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Great engine day References: <7e.65e5feae.2f718b83@aol.com> Message-ID: <002801c52f12$37130f80$715e1fd3@morris> Brilliant, Dwight What style is your 8 HP Austral, is it the same as mine see http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Austeng.html What parts are you looking for, us Aussies should be able to help Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz > G'day folks, > Monday was a great day for me ! I finally took delivery of an engine that > I > have been wanting for a very long time. The new toy is an 8hp R&T Austral > :-) > My engine buddy, Leo & I met Ron & Donna, who hauled the engine from Cal. > to > Va. around 11:30 Monday morning. After the unloading the engine from > their > trailer to Leo's rollback, and the usual engine talk, Ron & Donna were off > to > PA. and we took the Austral to Leo's place. > Once we looked the Austral over for a while, seeing things that needed to > be > repaired or replaced, we belted the engine up to Leo's JD tractor to spin > it > over for a while. A couple of valves needed adjusting and the timing valve > was > stuck & way out of time. > The fuel trap was removed & cleaned, a new gasket was made for the air > valve > case, along with a few more things needing attention. Once all these > items > were taken care of, we decided to try to start it. The fuel tank is in bad > shape, so we just poued the kero. in the fuel trap. We don't have a > starting > lamp, so we heated the hotbulb with a couple of propane torches. With > the old JD > turning the engine over, we finally got some smoke coming out of the > muffler. > After a little more heat & pouring kero., it was running on it's own, > after > who knows how long !!! > There are still several parts that need work or replacing, but it sure > runs > nice ;o) > To borrow a line from a famous fellow - Life Is Good !!!! > Dwight Vivas > Matoaca, VA. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Mar 22 11:49:40 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:49:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004c01c52f18$497608c0$715e1fd3@morris> G'Day Curt > compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres long. > There was a removable fence section at each end. This arrangement made > unloading and loading one's engines quite difficult unless you simply > relinquished the task to the crane operator who would set your engine over > the fence edge. If you wanted to do it yourself you had to roll your > display all the way down the length of the compound since there were no > intermediate openings in the compounds. Not a problem at all as the compounds are wide enought to allow you to drive in one end, unload and out the other, only the larger engines were unloadered by crane if the owner did not / could not roll off eg. when the engine arrive on the flat bed of a large truck > Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair of > shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white bum showing > in public was against the law too ;-) > So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than from > the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) Thats because you broke "The Law" and climbed over the fence instead of using the gate, your problem 8-)) Kerry -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 From jimjirik at earthlink.net Tue Mar 22 11:53:59 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:53:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Anyone looking for a deal on a BRB? Message-ID: <410-220053222195359955@earthlink.net> If anyone is looking for a BRB, here is one online that is selling for $100.00 http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpidEQ2480719AMPdomain_idEQ1856AMPmeta _idEQ1 Jim Jirik Bonner Springs, KS From shop at cccomm.net Tue Mar 22 12:21:21 2005 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:21:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Webster Dust Cover References: <200503221603.j2MG3dHV065829@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <026401c52f1c$b7e316f0$6401a8c0@Shop> I need help settling an argument. What was the original color of the dust cover on Webster mags? Especially the early ones that were brass and the later ones that are pot metal. Thanks in advance Dave From BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com Tue Mar 22 13:22:55 2005 From: BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com (Barry Gorman) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:22:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba><007f01c52eb0$fd18cd30$715e1fd3@morris> <001101c52ecd$e0734030$37c63dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <001d01c52f25$564d2940$4a398a90@userd6162315ba> Go Peter , as Roo's are not covered by the companion animals act , go well Peter, Barry Gorman Glorious Hunter Valley NSW AUSTRALIA BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" >I always take my mate Gibo to the shows ,being a Kangaroo he can carry a >few things in the pouch ,ie spanners and even the tinnies. He doesn't say >much and his shit is easier to pick up than barkers eggs. I did ask Chester >if he would like to go to shows but he would prefer to stay home,[ at least >that is what i presumed Woof Woof to mean!] From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Mar 22 13:28:58 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:28:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003301c52f26$f24380a0$0301a8c0@Reg> Thanks for your comments Curt. However, you are wasting your time. "'Dont confuse me with facts, I have made up my tiny mind.'" Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Mar 22 14:04:57 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:04:57 EST Subject: [SEL] Great engine day Message-ID: <92.2346a77d.2f71f089@aol.com> In a message dated 3/22/2005 1:20:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, Vivas1993 at aol.com writes: << After the unloading the engine from their trailer to Leo's rollback, and the usual engine talk, Ron & Donna were off to PA. and we took the Austral to Leo's place >> Dwight, That is great! Nice to have Leo around and bet he was in his glory having something new to play with! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Tue Mar 22 14:14:18 2005 From: AntiqueEngineB at aol.com (AntiqueEngineB at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:14:18 EST Subject: [SEL] LeSueur County Pioneer Power Swap Meet Dates Message-ID: go to this link and go to show daze and you will find it _http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi_ (http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi) From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Tue Mar 22 16:33:56 2005 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:33:56 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re:Dogs on Showgrounds (OT?) Message-ID: <20050323003356.39290.qmail@web41129.mail.yahoo.com> Oh Dear Time to put our heads under the blankets again. What garbage. What sort of robots are drafting OZ Rally Rules? Perhaps they should give a little thought to the exhibitors who for days at a time sit there generating gate takings for the organisers. Next it will be no thermos's allowed, or no shade umbrellas perhaps? At the recent National Rally there were 2 dogs (one owner) in a compound, I think loosely restrained in some way. I'd say say dogs probably have more brains than people when it comes to fixed machinery. They just KNOW to stay clear. Perhaps rally rules bureacrats should control their imaginations and apply their small brains to more common-sense outcomes like "dogs (pets) permitted on leases". How hard could THAT be? Dogs on leashes is good enough for most local councils in Oz. Ain't it funny how the best people for committees are the ones who don't want to be there? Better yet, just cancel rallies altogether. It'll be easier then to stay within the rules. Graham in Oz Message: 38 From: "Barry Gorman" Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to throw the blame in the wrong direction , Regards , Barry Gorman From: "Reg Ingold" At our last club rally, some prick put in a complaint about me having an unrestrained dog at the show! (In a 'public place) Yup! he was out to get at me any way he could. Sad, pathetic creature that he is! So, Jessie stays home now for this event. Funny thing is that I feel very much like doing the same. Reg & Marg Ingold. From: "Reg Ingold" Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) I was going to answer this but, he aint worth the effort. Reg & Marg Ingold. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From rexhinz at chorus.net Tue Mar 22 16:40:51 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:40:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy 2-1/2 HP E Message-ID: <002d01c52f40$f9642730$0c86a5d8@mycomputer> Hi All: Working on the Economy and found the hopper caked with about 1 inch of petrafied grease , crude oil ? or Exon renaments , what would cause the hopper to be oil caked ? I checked for leaks in the cylinder and any cracks and found none , is it possible the oiler was dripping or leaking ? if so there must have been one heck of a leak , maybe the owner used oil instead of water for cooling ? this engine is well used as all the gears need to be replaced , any one have any extras ? I can get them from Ed at hitmiss but would prefer original , I also have to weld up the push rod as it is worn in the normal places, otherwise its going wEll I Tink. Later REx Hinz From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 22 14:50:19 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:50:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Joseph Reid Stuff Message-ID: <003d01c52f31$86620180$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> http://royalcrossfarm.com/REID.html things are thumbnailing now , dig the gasolene carb set up The flamethrower exhaust diag's going up next Chuck From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Mar 22 17:52:44 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:52:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" Message-ID: Howdy all; We don't know why, but several of our pump jacks and water pumps (F-M "typhoon") have 2 belt pulleys next to each other. One is free wheeling and the other is locked to the shaft. We believe they called this arrangement "free wheel, Locked wheel". Can anyone explain why they did this arrangement? TIA Rick and Cork in Mt. From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Tue Mar 22 18:41:03 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:41:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" References: Message-ID: <004601c52f51$c20e4a20$a2631f40@ibm22761389857> Sometime called free pulley and tight pulley. It is a simple clutch arrangement using a belt shifter. The belt is moved over to the free pulley to disengage the machine and shifted to the tight pulley to engage the machine. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Corky and Judy Harris" Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 20:52 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" > Howdy all; > We don't know why, but several of our pump jacks and water pumps (F-M > "typhoon") have 2 belt pulleys next to each other. One is free wheeling and > the other is locked to the shaft. We believe they called this arrangement > "free wheel, Locked wheel". > Can anyone explain why they did this arrangement? > > TIA > Rick and Cork in Mt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From todengine at zoominternet.net Tue Mar 22 18:39:49 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:39:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" References: Message-ID: <00a601c52f51$9549def0$a65bef18@pengy> You move the belt to the free wheel when you want to disengage the pump but keep the power source running. Then to engage the pump move the belt to the locked wheel (called that becasue its "locked" to the driveshaft) and the pump starts up. Its used extensively in overhead line shafted machine shops. Rick in Youngstown ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Corky and Judy Harris" Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 8:52 PM Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" > Howdy all; > We don't know why, but several of our pump jacks and water pumps (F-M > "typhoon") have 2 belt pulleys next to each other. One is free wheeling > and the other is locked to the shaft. We believe they called this > arrangement "free wheel, Locked wheel". > Can anyone explain why they did this arrangement? > > TIA > Rick and Cork in Mt. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Vivas1993 at aol.com Tue Mar 22 18:50:37 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:50:37 EST Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" Message-ID: <100.fd3118a.2f72337d@aol.com> Hi Rick, The main reason for the 2 pulleys is that you didn't have to have a clutch on every piece of equipment that was driven by the lineshaft, or shut down the engine when that piece of equipment wasn't in use. All you had to do was slide the belt over to the loose pulley, to stop the pump, or what ever else was being powered. The belt would keep moving, but what was being powered would stop. Take care, Dwight Matoaca, VA. From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Tue Mar 22 18:57:12 2005 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:57:12 +0800 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" References: Message-ID: <00b001c52f54$05202c00$210110ac@service> Hi Richard the freewheel is used when starting the engine (no load), once engine is running belt is run over onto drive wheel. cheers, Chester from West Aussie. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Corky and Judy Harris" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:52 AM Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" > Howdy all; > We don't know why, but several of our pump jacks and water pumps (F-M > "typhoon") have 2 belt pulleys next to each other. One is free wheeling and > the other is locked to the shaft. We believe they called this arrangement > "free wheel, Locked wheel". > Can anyone explain why they did this arrangement? > > TIA > Rick and Cork in Mt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Mar 22 07:40:11 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:40:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Curt, Was there a sign telling you not to climb over the fence? You should demand the show organizers pay for your shorts that were ripped. Or maybe the fence manufacturers, or the guys that put up the fence. I would name them all in your lawsuit. One of them will pay or atleast settle out of court. Some clubs will now want their fences to be increased in height to discourage people from crawling over them. Of course some people will probably still try to scale a six foot fence. Barb wire or razor wire on top of the fence will be the next step after increasing the fence height. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================= >From: Curt > >Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair of >shorts crawling over the fences. >So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than from >the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) >Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC From MaytagTwin at aol.com Tue Mar 22 19:12:15 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:12:15 EST Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" Message-ID: <1f3.61b00f6.2f72388f@aol.com> Hi Rick, If you were running a lineshaft, or, wanted to start an engine without load, you could shift the belt to the free wheeling pulley. Then, when you were ready to run and the belt is moving, take a stick of wood and push the belt sideways onto the drive wheel. The freewheeling pulley allows you to shut down the machine without stopping the power source. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, MO USA In a message dated 3/22/2005 8:22:44 PM Central Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: Howdy all; We don't know why, but several of our pump jacks and water pumps (F-M "typhoon") have 2 belt pulleys next to each other. One is free wheeling and the other is locked to the shaft. We believe they called this arrangement "free wheel, Locked wheel". Can anyone explain why they did this arrangement? TIA Rick and Cork in Mt. From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Mar 22 19:23:17 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:23:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" Message-ID: <20050322.222329.288.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rick & Cork, I'm assuming you're talking about flat belts ?? I'm also assuming you know the principal used to run machinery from a "line shaft". The locked pulley is used to run the pump or pump jack with power from an engine of some sort. By moving the belt from the "locked" pulley to the "free" pulley (usually by some sort of lever) simply stops the pump without stopping the engine - or - main power source. Hope this answers your question. I have a grind stone set up with the "locked" and "free" or "idle" pulley. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From christison at coastalnet.com Tue Mar 22 19:23:50 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:23:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" Message-ID: <410-22005332332350796@coastalnet.com> These are also called "tight and loose" pulleys, as well as "fast and loose" pulleys. Here is a description of the purpose: "Fast and loose pulleys (Mach.), two pulleys placed side by side on a revolving shaft, which is driven from another shaft by a band, and arranged to disengage and re["e]ngage the machinery driven thereby. When the machinery is to be stopped, the band is transferred from the pulley fixed to the shaft to the pulley which revolves freely upon it, and vice versa." http://onlinedictionary.datasegment.com/word/Fast+and+loose+pulleys Take care. Ken > [Original Message] > From: Richard Strobel > To: SEL email discussion list > Cc: Corky and Judy Harris > Date: 3/22/2005 8:53:19 PM > Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" > > Howdy all; > We don't know why, but several of our pump jacks and water pumps (F-M > "typhoon") have 2 belt pulleys next to each other. One is free wheeling and > the other is locked to the shaft. We believe they called this arrangement > "free wheel, Locked wheel". > Can anyone explain why they did this arrangement? > > TIA > Rick and Cork in Mt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Mar 22 18:05:37 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:05:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy 2-1/2 HP E References: <002d01c52f40$f9642730$0c86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: Hi Rex; Although we don't hear too much about it anymore or do it nowdays, they did use oil in the hopper for cooling. Probably for anti-frost heave or maybe it didn't boil away quite so quick. Gas Engine Magazine (GEM) has lots of vendors with spare parts. Swap meets are a good place to pick up parts. And then there's ebay as a last resort:-)) You've touched base with a lot of Herc owners here and guru's..so you're in the right place. Good Luck RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 5:40 PM Subject: [SEL] Economy 2-1/2 HP E > Hi All: > > Working on the Economy and found the hopper caked with about 1 > inch > of petrafied grease , crude oil ? or Exon renaments , what would cause > the > hopper to be oil caked ? I checked for leaks in the cylinder and any > cracks > and found none , is it possible the oiler was dripping or leaking ? if so > there must have been one heck of a leak , maybe the owner used oil instead > of water for cooling ? this engine is well used as all the gears need to > be > replaced , any one have any extras ? I can get them from Ed at hitmiss but > would prefer original , I also have to weld up the push rod as it is worn > in > the normal places, otherwise its going wEll I Tink. > Later > REx Hinz > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Mar 22 21:19:31 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:19:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy 2-1/2 HP E In-Reply-To: <002d01c52f40$f9642730$0c86a5d8@mycomputer> References: <002d01c52f40$f9642730$0c86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050323001757.116fd2f8@mail.alltel.net> At 07:40 PM 3/22/2005, you wrote: >Hi All: > > Working on the Economy and found the hopper caked with about 1 inch >of petrafied grease , crude oil ? >REx Hinz Hi Rex, Sometimes a guy would use oil in the hopper instead of water. Oil would not freeze. Dave From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Mar 22 21:22:19 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:22:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" In-Reply-To: <004601c52f51$c20e4a20$a2631f40@ibm22761389857> References: <004601c52f51$c20e4a20$a2631f40@ibm22761389857> Message-ID: <834f20fc4a826af80a97c765d47b5b41@chartertn.net> > Sometime called free pulley and tight pulley. Also known as "fast and loose." John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From brock at netspeed.com.au Tue Mar 22 21:59:31 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:59:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day Curt i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the constuction industry mainly working on roads and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia bigger version of a withes hat we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Barry, > In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all claiming > it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the Naracoorte > ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but there was a rumor > floating around the National this year that the fences were NOT the law. > Apparently there was considerable backlash against the folks manning the > insurance tent and that during some meeting one of the insurance reps > stood up and stated that the fences were NOT a requirement of the national > insurance body, but rather that was a decision left to the local clubs > managing the shows. With that said, I have to question if there is really > such a trivial law on the Oz book that bans unrestrained pets in public > places. Hard to imagine legislators wasting their time on such trivial > matters. Perhaps local ordinances could dictate....but laws? > > Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their impact > on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at engines from outside > of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are to impose extremely > well managed arrangement of engines. I'm guessing the compounds were > roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres long. There was a > removable fence section at each end. This arrangement made unloading and > loading one's engines quite difficult unless you simply relinquished the > task to the crane operator who would set your engine over the fence edge. > If you wanted to do it yourself you had to roll your display all the way > down the length of the compound since there were no intermediate openings > in the compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side > toward the fence. > > For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering down > the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with the > workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not going to do > it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could get a better look. > Now we could walk all around the engines, study them, touch them, meet and > shake hands with the owners, exchange business cards, take pictures > without having to wait on spectators to clear the area, read s/n's and > other tag information, etc. From inside it felt just like an engine show > in the US....except that we were in side shaft heaven! > > Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair of > shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white bum showing > in public was against the law too ;-) > So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than from > the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) > Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. > > > Barry Gorman wrote: > >> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , >> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled >> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to >> throw the blame in the wrong direction , >> Regards , >> Barry Gorman > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Mar 22 22:38:50 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:38:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004d01c52f72$fcc9fbc0$0301a8c0@Reg> <> I was most interested in the above. This is TOTALLY different to what the Nat. body have been feeding us over the years. I would ask the insurance company who are covering us to PUT THIS IN WRITING! So, Nat. Body, What have you to say on this??? Ah, wait a minute, they say they only put out "Guidelines"! But, you try and go against these "Guidelines" ! The 'Cringe' is alive and well here! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Barry, > In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all claiming > it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the Naracoorte > ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but there was a rumor > floating around the National this year that the fences were NOT the law. > Apparently there was considerable backlash against the folks manning the > insurance tent and that during some meeting one of the insurance reps > stood up and stated that the fences were NOT a requirement of the > national insurance body, but rather that was a decision left to the > local clubs managing the shows. With that said, I have to question if > there is really such a trivial law on the Oz book that bans unrestrained > pets in public places. Hard to imagine legislators wasting their time on > such trivial matters. Perhaps local ordinances could dictate....but laws? > > Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their impact > on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at engines from > outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are to impose > extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm guessing the > compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres long. > There was a removable fence section at each end. This arrangement made > unloading and loading one's engines quite difficult unless you simply > relinquished the task to the crane operator who would set your engine > over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it yourself you had to roll > your display all the way down the length of the compound since there > were no intermediate openings in the compounds. Most displays were set > with the more interesting side toward the fence. > > For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering down > the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with the > workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not going to > do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could get a better > look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study them, touch them, > meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange business cards, take > pictures without having to wait on spectators to clear the area, read > s/n's and other tag information, etc. From inside it felt just like an > engine show in the US....except that we were in side shaft heaven! > > Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair of > shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white bum > showing in public was against the law too ;-) > So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than from > the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) > Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. > > > Barry Gorman wrote: > > > Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , > > Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled > > under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to > > throw the blame in the wrong direction , > > Regards , > > Barry Gorman > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Mar 22 23:28:14 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:28:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Hi Curt I don't know where people got the idea that the requirement for fences was a LAW. Our legislators have not made LAWS in this regard however have done in other areas such as occupation and health. We, private citizens, even if we belong to a National body cannot make LAWS. In the case of our Association we have not even made RULES. As I have stated before that the Association has only issued GUIDELINES (there are reasons for this which I have explained before) for the conduct of an engine rally, National or otherwise. These have no standing in LAW, however, in saying that, I am sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an accident to the public. The last insurance policy I looked at included reference to the guidelines. I have not seen the latest policy. In regards to your comment regarding laws about unrestrained animals (read dogs). Yes the majority of councils if not all have laws regarding unleashed dogs in public places and cleaning up their droppings as you go a long. In fact some councils provide bins and plastics bags for dog owners for this purpose. It all stems from the number of dog attacks on humans that we have had over the past few years, some resulting in death. And the other part is as a result of pedestrians stepping into the droppings. However you can be lucky my place backs onto a "free range" area and my dogs can run loose and, best of all, I don't have to carry plastic bags. While I have been writing this I notice that Reg has commented. I agree with you Reg. I would like to see the Insurers put it in writing. Bet they don't. And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until they put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the NHMA. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Barry, > In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all claiming > it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the Naracoorte > ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but there was a rumor > floating around the National this year that the fences were NOT the law. > Apparently there was considerable backlash against the folks manning the > insurance tent and that during some meeting one of the insurance reps > stood up and stated that the fences were NOT a requirement of the > national insurance body, but rather that was a decision left to the > local clubs managing the shows. With that said, I have to question if > there is really such a trivial law on the Oz book that bans unrestrained > pets in public places. Hard to imagine legislators wasting their time on > such trivial matters. Perhaps local ordinances could dictate....but laws? > > Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their impact > on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at engines from > outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are to impose > extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm guessing the > compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres long. > There was a removable fence section at each end. This arrangement made > unloading and loading one's engines quite difficult unless you simply > relinquished the task to the crane operator who would set your engine > over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it yourself you had to roll > your display all the way down the length of the compound since there > were no intermediate openings in the compounds. Most displays were set > with the more interesting side toward the fence. > > For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering down > the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with the > workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not going to > do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could get a better > look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study them, touch them, > meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange business cards, take > pictures without having to wait on spectators to clear the area, read > s/n's and other tag information, etc. From inside it felt just like an > engine show in the US....except that we were in side shaft heaven! > > Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair of > shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white bum > showing in public was against the law too ;-) > So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than from > the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) > Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. > > > Barry Gorman wrote: > > > Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , > > Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled > > under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to > > throw the blame in the wrong direction , > > Regards , > > Barry Gorman > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Mar 22 23:52:38 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:52:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Great engine day In-Reply-To: <7e.65e5feae.2f718b83@aol.com> Message-ID: <200503230752.j2N7qiPR002988@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Dwight, Good to hear you finally got your Austral home. Soon you will be bounce starting it like the experts ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- G'day folks, Monday was a great day for me ! I finally took delivery of an engine that I have been wanting for a very long time. The new toy is an 8hp R&T Austral :-) My engine buddy, Leo & I met Ron & Donna, who hauled the engine from Cal. to Va. around 11:30 Monday morning. After the unloading the engine from their trailer to Leo's rollback, and the usual engine talk, Ron & Donna were off to PA. and we took the Austral to Leo's place. Once we looked the Austral over for a while, seeing things that needed to be repaired or replaced, we belted the engine up to Leo's JD tractor to spin it over for a while. A couple of valves needed adjusting and the timing valve was stuck & way out of time. The fuel trap was removed & cleaned, a new gasket was made for the air valve case, along with a few more things needing attention. Once all these items were taken care of, we decided to try to start it. The fuel tank is in bad shape, so we just poued the kero. in the fuel trap. We don't have a starting lamp, so we heated the hotbulb with a couple of propane torches. With the old JD turning the engine over, we finally got some smoke coming out of the muffler. After a little more heat & pouring kero., it was running on it's own, after who knows how long !!! There are still several parts that need work or replacing, but it sure runs nice ;o) To borrow a line from a famous fellow - Life Is Good !!!! Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From brock at netspeed.com.au Wed Mar 23 00:08:37 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:08:37 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Great engine day References: <7e.65e5feae.2f718b83@aol.com> Message-ID: <004401c52f7f$8578b680$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day Dwight it sounds like you got a good old Austral there have fun Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 1:53 AM Subject: [SEL] Great engine day > G'day folks, > Monday was a great day for me ! I finally took delivery of an engine that > I > have been wanting for a very long time. The new toy is an 8hp R&T Austral > :-) > My engine buddy, Leo & I met Ron & Donna, who hauled the engine from Cal. > to > Va. around 11:30 Monday morning. After the unloading the engine from > their > trailer to Leo's rollback, and the usual engine talk, Ron & Donna were off > to > PA. and we took the Austral to Leo's place. > Once we looked the Austral over for a while, seeing things that needed to > be > repaired or replaced, we belted the engine up to Leo's JD tractor to spin > it > over for a while. A couple of valves needed adjusting and the timing valve > was > stuck & way out of time. > The fuel trap was removed & cleaned, a new gasket was made for the air > valve > case, along with a few more things needing attention. Once all these > items > were taken care of, we decided to try to start it. The fuel tank is in bad > shape, so we just poued the kero. in the fuel trap. We don't have a > starting > lamp, so we heated the hotbulb with a couple of propane torches. With > the old JD > turning the engine over, we finally got some smoke coming out of the > muffler. > After a little more heat & pouring kero., it was running on it's own, > after > who knows how long !!! > There are still several parts that need work or replacing, but it sure > runs > nice ;o) > To borrow a line from a famous fellow - Life Is Good !!!! > Dwight Vivas > Matoaca, VA. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Mar 23 00:51:31 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:51:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200503230851.j2N8pYpK017612@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Curt, Most rallies have sufficient space down the centre of their compound to allow access for trucks and trailers. My bigger engines like the R&V and Austral are not something you can roll very far (especially on grass) but I have always been able to back the trailer right up to the display space for loading and unloading. Often it gets congested but it is a simple matter to pull out a star-picket, drop the fence, load the engine and put the fence up again. A certain club objected to a list member doing this and it has cost them his (and others) attendance to their once good rally (if you wish to know which club contact me off list). A couple of points as per the law. OH&S (certainly in NSW) only has authority if you are being paid to operate a piece of machinery. As we are operating our engines voluntarily they have no authority. We had some OH&S officials turn up at one of our club displays with their clipboards and started to push their weight around. They disappeared as soon as one of our club members who is pretty knowledgeable on such stuff called their bluff and reminded them they had no authority over us :) NSW now has slightly different public liability laws to limit the amount of payouts (and silly lawsuits). That should result in lower premiums in NSW so by there being a national insurance for the hobby are we subsidising the other states? ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed Mar 23 01:11:25 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:11:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Great engine day References: <7e.65e5feae.2f718b83@aol.com> Message-ID: <009701c52f88$4aad0d40$c23354d2@Cam> Good onya Dwight a nice old engine. Cam from OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 1:53 AM Subject: [SEL] Great engine day > G'day folks, > Monday was a great day for me ! I finally took delivery of an engine that > I > have been wanting for a very long time. The new toy is an 8hp R&T Austral > :-) > My engine buddy, Leo & I met Ron & Donna, who hauled the engine from From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed Mar 23 03:31:29 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:31:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy 2-1/2 HP E In-Reply-To: <002d01c52f40$f9642730$0c86a5d8@mycomputer> References: <002d01c52f40$f9642730$0c86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <42415391.5000304@wightman.ca> aHi Rex, I have had that happen many times when I restored an engine. Oilers leak and sometimes they used oil for cooling. Must have gotten really hot I would imagine. A couple of years ago, there was a whole thread on what people found in the hoppers of unrestored engines. All kinds of "treasures". Duncan Rex Hinz wrote: -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Mar 23 03:07:14 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:07:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba><4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> <007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris> G'Day Ron and All With all due respect, > I am sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an > accident to the public. and > And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until > they > put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be > allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the NHMA WHO SAID?, I am lead to believe the insurance person at the rally stated at the Friday Night Meeting that the insurance would be honoured even if there were no fences installed. We were told before the rally if we had problems with insurance talk to him, he made the statement (of which I did not hear first hand but there was a major discussion by everyone on Saturday), now you are hiding behind "its Association Guidelines", I can ensure you, clubs are not using them as guidelines but RULES you must 100% abide by, and some of the safety offices will make you believe it is the LAW, at Hayfield my transport wheels was 2 inches over the 1 metre line but the flywheel was a foot on the engine side of the line I was ordered to move the transport 2" so it would be totally 1 metre from fence (other list members were present), this is just crap and the Guidelines, stupid club officials and Gestapo safety officers are out of control. We have been constantly told by club and Association officials the OHS and insurance requirements drove the guidelines the way they were drafted, if you remember any of my posts last year they all had a common thread, that it was not necessary the insurance requirements but the association making up its own rules, if the statements of the insurance person is true then my thoughts are correct. As I have said many times I have no problems with the fences only the Guidelines / RULES that have been enforced on us by people that should have been looking after us for our enjoyment while running engines. In regards to the dogs I think we all know about Laws on unrestrained dogs, but reading Reg's post he was chatted by a club official at a rally, what bloody right has any club official got to administer the LAW, what is next, safety officers checking if our trailer is registered or not or if we had a tetanus shot encase we touch our rusty iron. To finalise I think a lot of people attending rallies are fed up with officials hiding behind legal (OHS and Insurance) issues and not doing the best for the people that run engines at rallies Just my 2 bobs worth nothing personal While I am in the writing mood, I had a great time at Naracoorte, was a good rally but I was totally pissed off to start with, after driving 1400 km I arrived at 6.00 pm Thursday night still with several hours of light, I made sure I was there Thursday as Friday was a run day for school kids, no problem just drove longer ot get there. Got to the gate to be told by some club official "Your too late come back tomorrow" what about unloading my engines first I said, I told you come back tommorow he said, no reason was given, as I departed I told him my bloody engines will stay in the trailer for the weekend, he just schrugged his shoulders. Arriving Friday morning to unload I was told by some other club official " you have half an hour to unload then get your car and trailer into the car park. I cannot believe the way some club officials carry on, it will be the last National I will take engines to as I dont need all the crap and importance clubs dish out to us that bring engines Kerry Morris Lithgow Oz > Hi Curt > > I don't know where people got the idea that the requirement for fences was > a LAW. Our legislators have not made LAWS in this regard however have > done > in other areas such as occupation and health. We, private citizens, even > if > we belong to a National body cannot make LAWS. In the case of our > Association we have not even made RULES. As I have stated before that the > Association has only issued GUIDELINES (there are reasons for this which I > have explained before) for the conduct of an engine rally, National or > otherwise. These have no standing in LAW, however, in saying that, I am > sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an > accident to the public. The last insurance policy I looked at included > reference to the guidelines. I have not seen the latest policy. > > In regards to your comment regarding laws about unrestrained animals (read > dogs). Yes the majority of councils if not all have laws regarding > unleashed dogs in public places and cleaning up their droppings as you go > a > long. In fact some councils provide bins and plastics bags for dog owners > for this purpose. It all stems from the number of dog attacks on humans > that we have had over the past few years, some resulting in death. And > the > other part is as a result of pedestrians stepping into the droppings. > However you can be lucky my place backs onto a "free range" area and my > dogs > can run loose and, best of all, I don't have to carry plastic bags. > > While I have been writing this I notice that Reg has commented. I agree > with you Reg. I would like to see the Insurers put it in writing. Bet > they > don't. > > And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until > they > put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be > allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the > NHMA. > > Ron > From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Mar 23 03:46:47 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:46:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba><4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris> Message-ID: <00c601c52f9d$ff187110$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Well said Kerry. Maybe it is time some of the NHMA members spent some time on the committee (only elected for two years) and sent out the message to the club officials not to be so officious. As you say we are only there to enjoy ourselves. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > G'Day Ron and All > > With all due respect, > > I am sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an > > accident to the public. > and > > And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until > > they > > put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be > > allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the NHMA > > WHO SAID?, I am lead to believe the insurance person at the rally stated at > the Friday Night Meeting that the insurance would be honoured even if there > were no fences installed. > We were told before the rally if we had problems with insurance talk to > him, he made the statement (of which I did not hear first hand but there > was a major discussion by everyone on Saturday), now you are hiding behind > "its Association Guidelines", I can ensure you, clubs are not using them as > guidelines but RULES you must 100% abide by, and some of the safety offices > will make you believe it is the LAW, at Hayfield my transport wheels was 2 > inches over the 1 metre line but the flywheel was a foot on the engine side > of the line I was ordered to move the transport 2" so it would be totally 1 > metre from fence (other list members were present), this is just crap and > the Guidelines, stupid club officials and Gestapo safety officers are out of > control. > > We have been constantly told by club and Association officials the OHS and > insurance requirements drove the guidelines the way they were drafted, if > you remember any of my posts last year they all had a common thread, that it > was not necessary the insurance requirements but the association making up > its own rules, if the statements of the insurance person is true then my > thoughts are correct. > > As I have said many times I have no problems with the fences only the > Guidelines / RULES that have been enforced on us by people that should have > been looking after us for our enjoyment while running engines. > > In regards to the dogs I think we all know about Laws on unrestrained dogs, > but reading Reg's post he was chatted by a club official at a rally, what > bloody right has any club official got to administer the LAW, what is next, > safety officers checking if our trailer is registered or not or if we had a > tetanus shot encase we touch our rusty iron. > > To finalise I think a lot of people attending rallies are fed up with > officials hiding behind legal (OHS and Insurance) issues and not doing the > best for the people that run engines at rallies > > Just my 2 bobs worth nothing personal > > While I am in the writing mood, I had a great time at Naracoorte, was a good > rally but I was totally pissed off to start with, after driving 1400 km I > arrived at 6.00 pm Thursday night still with several hours of light, I made > sure I was there Thursday as Friday was a run day for school kids, no > problem just drove longer ot get there. > Got to the gate to be told by some club official "Your too late come back > tomorrow" what about unloading my engines first I said, I told you come back > tommorow he said, no reason was given, as I departed I told him my bloody > engines will stay in the trailer for the weekend, he just schrugged his > shoulders. > Arriving Friday morning to unload I was told by some other club official " > you have half an hour to unload then get your car and trailer into the car > park. > I cannot believe the way some club officials carry on, it will be the last > National I will take engines to as I dont need all the crap and importance > clubs dish out to us that bring engines > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow Oz > > > Hi Curt > > > > I don't know where people got the idea that the requirement for fences was > > a LAW. Our legislators have not made LAWS in this regard however have > > done > > in other areas such as occupation and health. We, private citizens, even > > if > > we belong to a National body cannot make LAWS. In the case of our > > Association we have not even made RULES. As I have stated before that the > > Association has only issued GUIDELINES (there are reasons for this which I > > have explained before) for the conduct of an engine rally, National or > > otherwise. These have no standing in LAW, however, in saying that, I am > > sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an > > accident to the public. The last insurance policy I looked at included > > reference to the guidelines. I have not seen the latest policy. > > > > In regards to your comment regarding laws about unrestrained animals (read > > dogs). Yes the majority of councils if not all have laws regarding > > unleashed dogs in public places and cleaning up their droppings as you go > > a > > long. In fact some councils provide bins and plastics bags for dog owners > > for this purpose. It all stems from the number of dog attacks on humans > > that we have had over the past few years, some resulting in death. And > > the > > other part is as a result of pedestrians stepping into the droppings. > > However you can be lucky my place backs onto a "free range" area and my > > dogs > > can run loose and, best of all, I don't have to carry plastic bags. > > > > While I have been writing this I notice that Reg has commented. I agree > > with you Reg. I would like to see the Insurers put it in writing. Bet > > they > > don't. > > > > And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until > > they > > put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be > > allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the > > NHMA. > > > > Ron > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Mar 23 03:52:41 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:52:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris> Message-ID: <200503231152.j2NBqi0e064992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I am shocked Kerry. How dare you go to all the time and expense to take your engine to Heyfield and then belligerently put a wheel 2" out of place. To make matters worse you drive the short two day trip to South Australia and have the discourtesy to arrive just as the club were going to have a nap. Then you have the audacity to want enough time to safely unload your engine and set up your display. I hope this behavior continues long and loud! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Mar 23 03:54:30 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:54:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) In-Reply-To: <008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> Message-ID: <200503231154.j2NBsWuE065540@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I had not thought of taking my dog to rallies with me. I am glad those great mates Reg and Barry brought it up :) Thanks for the idea. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Mar 23 04:00:48 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:00:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Moffat-Virtue badged Hercules Message-ID: <200503231200.j2NC0kNa067619@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I have been corresponding with a fellow collector who wanted to know who built his Moffat-Virtue badged engine. After a few descriptions I was still not 100% sure what he had, until he email me a picture. There is no doubt that the engine is a Hercules 3.5hp. I have not seen a M-V badged Hercules before. There is apparently no badge on the engine except the M-V one. Anyone else in Oz seen one of these? Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed Mar 23 04:09:11 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:09:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba><4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris> Message-ID: <00ce01c52fa1$1fccc200$c23354d2@Cam> While we are on this subject, I drove 1000 klm to the Heyfield National, parked my car and after setting up camp was told by one of these officials to shift it in no uncertain manor because I was 6ins over the yellow line marker. I think this was a bit over the fence. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > G'Day Ron and All > > With all due respect, >> I am sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an >> accident to the public. > and >> And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until >> they >> put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be >> allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the >> NHMA > > WHO SAID?, I am lead to believe the insurance person at the rally stated > at the Friday Night Meeting that the insurance would be honoured even if > there were no fences installed. > We were told before the rally if we had problems with insurance talk to > him, he made the statement (of which I did not hear first hand but there > was a major discussion by everyone on Saturday), now you are hiding behind > "its Association Guidelines", I can ensure you, clubs are not using them > as guidelines but RULES you must 100% abide by, and some of the safety > offices will make you believe it is the LAW, at Hayfield my transport > wheels was 2 inches over the 1 metre line but the flywheel was a foot on > the engine side of the line I was ordered to move the transport 2" so it > would be totally 1 metre from fence (other list members were present), > this is just crap and the Guidelines, stupid club officials and Gestapo > safety officers are out of control. > > We have been constantly told by club and Association officials the OHS and > insurance requirements drove the guidelines the way they were drafted, if > you remember any of my posts last year they all had a common thread, that > it was not necessary the insurance requirements but the association making > up its own rules, if the statements of the insurance person is true then > my thoughts are correct. > > As I have said many times I have no problems with the fences only the > Guidelines / RULES that have been enforced on us by people that should > have been looking after us for our enjoyment while running engines. > > In regards to the dogs I think we all know about Laws on unrestrained > dogs, but reading Reg's post he was chatted by a club official at a rally, > what bloody right has any club official got to administer the LAW, what is > next, safety officers checking if our trailer is registered or not or if > we had a tetanus shot encase we touch our rusty iron. > > To finalise I think a lot of people attending rallies are fed up with > officials hiding behind legal (OHS and Insurance) issues and not doing the > best for the people that run engines at rallies > > Just my 2 bobs worth nothing personal > > While I am in the writing mood, I had a great time at Naracoorte, was a > good rally but I was totally pissed off to start with, after driving 1400 > km I arrived at 6.00 pm Thursday night still with several hours of light, > I made sure I was there Thursday as Friday was a run day for school kids, > no problem just drove longer ot get there. > Got to the gate to be told by some club official "Your too late come back > tomorrow" what about unloading my engines first I said, I told you come > back tommorow he said, no reason was given, as I departed I told him my > bloody engines will stay in the trailer for the weekend, he just schrugged > his shoulders. > Arriving Friday morning to unload I was told by some other club official " > you have half an hour to unload then get your car and trailer into the car > park. > I cannot believe the way some club officials carry on, it will be the last > National I will take engines to as I dont need all the crap and importance > clubs dish out to us that bring engines > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow Oz > >> Hi Curt >> >> I don't know where people got the idea that the requirement for fences >> was >> a LAW. Our legislators have not made LAWS in this regard however have >> done >> in other areas such as occupation and health. We, private citizens, even >> if >> we belong to a National body cannot make LAWS. In the case of our >> Association we have not even made RULES. As I have stated before that >> the >> Association has only issued GUIDELINES (there are reasons for this which >> I >> have explained before) for the conduct of an engine rally, National or >> otherwise. These have no standing in LAW, however, in saying that, I am >> sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an >> accident to the public. The last insurance policy I looked at included >> reference to the guidelines. I have not seen the latest policy. >> >> In regards to your comment regarding laws about unrestrained animals >> (read >> dogs). Yes the majority of councils if not all have laws regarding >> unleashed dogs in public places and cleaning up their droppings as you go >> a >> long. In fact some councils provide bins and plastics bags for dog owners >> for this purpose. It all stems from the number of dog attacks on humans >> that we have had over the past few years, some resulting in death. And >> the >> other part is as a result of pedestrians stepping into the droppings. >> However you can be lucky my place backs onto a "free range" area and my >> dogs >> can run loose and, best of all, I don't have to carry plastic bags. >> >> While I have been writing this I notice that Reg has commented. I agree >> with you Reg. I would like to see the Insurers put it in writing. Bet >> they >> don't. >> >> And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until >> they >> put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be >> allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the >> NHMA. >> >> Ron >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Mar 23 05:14:38 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:14:38 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Insurance.....Star Pickets Message-ID: <004e01c52faa$49454770$0cc63dca@ogborneuah38i3> I hate to throw this in but a recent experience involving a claim by an exhibitor at a small agricultural show and an accident involving a star picket holding a tent being pulled out of the ground by a strong gust of wind, bears thinking about. Because the star picket was not hammered into the ground in what the insurance investigator said was the correct manner the claim was not met. The star picket was in the ground with just one of the three sides taking the strain ...it should have been reversed with two sides as in a Y shape taking the strain ,ie in compression. Work that one out. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Mar 23 05:18:20 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:18:20 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again....stick it up your arse! References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba><4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris> Message-ID: <006001c52faa$cc98a9f0$0cc63dca@ogborneuah38i3> Kerry ...if i had driven all the way from West Australia and was told that by an official ...I would have told him to stick his rally up his arse. Maybe i would have spent the time in aVineyard! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > G'Day Ron and All > > With all due respect, >> I am sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an >> accident to the public. > and >> And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until >> they >> put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be >> allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the >> NHMA > > WHO SAID?, I am lead to believe the insurance person at the rally stated > at the Friday Night Meeting that the insurance would be honoured even if > there were no fences installed. > We were told before the rally if we had problems with insurance talk to > him, he made the statement (of which I did not hear first hand but there > was a major discussion by everyone on Saturday), now you are hiding behind > "its Association Guidelines", I can ensure you, clubs are not using them > as guidelines but RULES you must 100% abide by, and some of the safety > offices will make you believe it is the LAW, at Hayfield my transport > wheels was 2 inches over the 1 metre line but the flywheel was a foot on > the engine side of the line I was ordered to move the transport 2" so it > would be totally 1 metre from fence (other list members were present), > this is just crap and the Guidelines, stupid club officials and Gestapo > safety officers are out of control. > > We have been constantly told by club and Association officials the OHS and > insurance requirements drove the guidelines the way they were drafted, if > you remember any of my posts last year they all had a common thread, that > it was not necessary the insurance requirements but the association making > up its own rules, if the statements of the insurance person is true then > my thoughts are correct. > > As I have said many times I have no problems with the fences only the > Guidelines / RULES that have been enforced on us by people that should > have been looking after us for our enjoyment while running engines. > > In regards to the dogs I think we all know about Laws on unrestrained > dogs, but reading Reg's post he was chatted by a club official at a rally, > what bloody right has any club official got to administer the LAW, what is > next, safety officers checking if our trailer is registered or not or if > we had a tetanus shot encase we touch our rusty iron. > > To finalise I think a lot of people attending rallies are fed up with > officials hiding behind legal (OHS and Insurance) issues and not doing the > best for the people that run engines at rallies > > Just my 2 bobs worth nothing personal > > While I am in the writing mood, I had a great time at Naracoorte, was a > good rally but I was totally pissed off to start with, after driving 1400 > km I arrived at 6.00 pm Thursday night still with several hours of light, > I made sure I was there Thursday as Friday was a run day for school kids, > no problem just drove longer ot get there. > Got to the gate to be told by some club official "Your too late come back > tomorrow" what about unloading my engines first I said, I told you come > back tommorow he said, no reason was given, as I departed I told him my > bloody engines will stay in the trailer for the weekend, he just schrugged > his shoulders. > Arriving Friday morning to unload I was told by some other club official " > you have half an hour to unload then get your car and trailer into the car > park. > I cannot believe the way some club officials carry on, it will be the last > National I will take engines to as I dont need all the crap and importance > clubs dish out to us that bring engines > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow Oz > >> Hi Curt >> >> I don't know where people got the idea that the requirement for fences >> was >> a LAW. Our legislators have not made LAWS in this regard however have >> done >> in other areas such as occupation and health. We, private citizens, even >> if >> we belong to a National body cannot make LAWS. In the case of our >> Association we have not even made RULES. As I have stated before that >> the >> Association has only issued GUIDELINES (there are reasons for this which >> I >> have explained before) for the conduct of an engine rally, National or >> otherwise. These have no standing in LAW, however, in saying that, I am >> sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an >> accident to the public. The last insurance policy I looked at included >> reference to the guidelines. I have not seen the latest policy. >> >> In regards to your comment regarding laws about unrestrained animals >> (read >> dogs). Yes the majority of councils if not all have laws regarding >> unleashed dogs in public places and cleaning up their droppings as you go >> a >> long. In fact some councils provide bins and plastics bags for dog owners >> for this purpose. It all stems from the number of dog attacks on humans >> that we have had over the past few years, some resulting in death. And >> the >> other part is as a result of pedestrians stepping into the droppings. >> However you can be lucky my place backs onto a "free range" area and my >> dogs >> can run loose and, best of all, I don't have to carry plastic bags. >> >> While I have been writing this I notice that Reg has commented. I agree >> with you Reg. I would like to see the Insurers put it in writing. Bet >> they >> don't. >> >> And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until >> they >> put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be >> allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the >> NHMA. >> >> Ron >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From marvhed at ecenet.com Wed Mar 23 05:42:43 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:42:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home In-Reply-To: <31288.199.62.0.252.1111581105.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <31288.199.62.0.252.1111581105.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <50666.199.62.0.252.1111585363.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> a dream come true!! i'm now the new caretaker of this 1906 2HP open crankcase Otto vertical. he came home last night after a long trip from Nevada. pics at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538 Marvin Otto Hedberg (yes, my middle name really is Otto :-)) marv in minn esota From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 23 05:47:57 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:47:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Webster Dust Cover References: <200503221603.j2MG3dHV065829@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <026401c52f1c$b7e316f0$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: Dave, go here and I hope you can save and have software so that you can zoom in on it. Extracted from Doc Schuster's WEbster book: http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/303166453rTnIAJ rickinmt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:21 PM Subject: [SEL] Webster Dust Cover > I need help settling an argument. What was the original color of the dust > cover on Webster mags? Especially the early ones that were brass and the > later ones that are pot metal. > Thanks in advance > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brock at netspeed.com.au Wed Mar 23 05:54:58 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:54:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home References: <31288.199.62.0.252.1111581105.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> <50666.199.62.0.252.1111585363.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <00a501c52faf$e8df2e90$5f11fea9@merlin> that is one fantastic engine if you want you can send it over to me i,ll look after it for you Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 12:42 AM Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home > a dream come true!! > i'm now the new caretaker of this 1906 2HP open crankcase Otto vertical. > he came home last night after a long trip from Nevada. > > pics at: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538 > > Marvin Otto Hedberg > (yes, my middle name really is Otto :-)) > marv in minn esota > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Mar 23 06:54:25 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:54:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris> References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba><4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> <007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris> Message-ID: <42418321.4040705@imc-group.com> Kerry wrote: > While I am in the writing mood, I had a great time at Naracoorte, was > a good rally but I was totally pissed off to start with, after driving > 1400 km I arrived at 6.00 pm Thursday night still with several hours > of light, I made sure I was there Thursday as Friday was a run day for > school kids, no problem just drove longer ot get there. > Got to the gate to be told by some club official "Your too late come > back tomorrow" what about unloading my engines first I said, I told > you come back tommorow he said, no reason was given, as I departed I > told him my bloody engines will stay in the trailer for the weekend, > he just schrugged his shoulders. > Arriving Friday morning to unload I was told by some other club > official " you have half an hour to unload then get your car and > trailer into the car park. > I cannot believe the way some club officials carry on, it will be the > last National I will take engines to as I dont need all the crap and > importance clubs dish out to us that bring engines Kerry, I have to admit I was a little taken back when we were turned away at 6:00 in the evening after the long drive. You may have been "totally pissed off" but we couldn't tell it. Your Aussie elegance prevailed! I never heard a good explanation as to why the ralley grounds were closed so early (or why they were closed at all for that matter). In the states I only know of one show (Denton Farm Park) that closes the gates in the evening. All the other shows we can expect to arrive late in the evening and set up our stuff and camp for the night. Many of our shows are Saturday only events. By having an open policy this permits one to work until the normal time on Friday afternoon, come home, hook up the trailer, and head to the ralley grounds. It is convenient to camp out and this lets us sleep in a bit on Saturday morning at the grounds. I imagine the closed gate policy at Naracoorte really impacted the local folks bringing large numbers of engines in late. Does anyone really know why the closed grounds policy exists at all? They had security officers there. If there is a theft concern, by simply saying unloading is acceptable but loading is not, this should solve the concern. Has there ever been a theft at a National ralley? It is hard to imagine there would be a theft problem. If an individual was caught, he would be blackballed from the hobby forever by his peers. I believe it would be appropriate to gather all these comments from the SEL and send them to both the organizers of the Naracoorte ralley and the next ralley in Queensland. I had an issue with the Denton Farm park show a few years ago and the SEL was a great sounding board. I made copies of the SEL comments and included those with the letter I sent them. The combination was effective enough to change a policy. I don't attend Denton anymore but I was pleased to get at least one of the silly policies changed. The Denton show is the one show in the states that has invoked so many rules and regulations that there is no enjoyment for us in attending. If you, the attendees of your Nationals, present your concerns in advance of the next National, you will have a reasonable chance of turning things around into a ralley you will pleased to attend. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 23 07:03:26 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:03:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" In-Reply-To: <834f20fc4a826af80a97c765d47b5b41@chartertn.net> References: <004601c52f51$c20e4a20$a2631f40@ibm22761389857> <834f20fc4a826af80a97c765d47b5b41@chartertn.net> Message-ID: Not to be confused with Bambi & Nitro who have been referred to in the same way from time to time... On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, John Culp wrote: > Also known as "fast and loose." From curt at imc-group.com Wed Mar 23 07:12:13 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:12:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin> References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> <000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <4241874D.5020104@imc-group.com> Brock, I was so focused on taking engine and steamer pictures I failed to take a picture of the entire grounds. I'd like one if someone did. Curt P.S. Heard LOTS of wild stories about you at Narracoorte! ....Happy Birthday! Brock Summerfield wrote: > G,day Curt > > i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the > constuction industry mainly working on roads > and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia > bigger version of a withes hat > we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic > PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > >> Barry, >> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all >> claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the >> Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but there >> was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences >> were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash against >> the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting one >> of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT a >> requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a >> decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that said, >> I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz >> book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine >> legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps local >> ordinances could dictate....but laws? >> >> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their >> impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at engines >> from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are >> to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm guessing >> the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres >> long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This >> arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite difficult >> unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who >> would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it >> yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length of >> the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the >> compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side >> toward the fence. >> >> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering >> down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with >> the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not >> going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could >> get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study >> them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange >> business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators to >> clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From >> inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we >> were in side shaft heaven! >> >> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair >> of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white bum >> showing in public was against the law too ;-) >> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than >> from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) >> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. >> >> >> Barry Gorman wrote: >> >>> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , >>> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled >>> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to >>> throw the blame in the wrong direction , >>> Regards , >>> Barry Gorman >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 23 07:15:59 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:15:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris> References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba><4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> <007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris> Message-ID: G'day Kerry, I think the ONLY way that you'll get the attention of these clubs and their Gestapo members is to organize boycotts of the club shows in question. You'll need to get enough participation so that the diminished exhibitor numbers are obvious and the organizers NEED to know WHY they are being boycotted. Signs posted (or carried) outside the venue to inform the public would also help. If folks continue to attend and only bitch, you accomplish nothing. If only a few exhibitors give the show a pass you accomplish nothing. The mind boggles at this sort of behaviour. Especially at a National event. WHAT are these people thinking? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Kerry wrote: > guidelines but RULES you must 100% abide by, and some of the safety offices > will make you believe it is the LAW, at Hayfield my transport wheels was 2 > inches over the 1 metre line but the flywheel was a foot on the engine side > of the line I was ordered to move the transport 2" so it would be totally 1 > metre from fence (other list members were present), this is just crap and > the Guidelines, stupid club officials and Gestapo safety officers are out of > control. > > While I am in the writing mood, I had a great time at Naracoorte, was a good > rally but I was totally pissed off to start with, after driving 1400 km I > arrived at 6.00 pm Thursday night still with several hours of light, I made > sure I was there Thursday as Friday was a run day for school kids, no > problem just drove longer ot get there. > Got to the gate to be told by some club official "Your too late come back > tomorrow" what about unloading my engines first I said, I told you come back > tommorow he said, no reason was given, as I departed I told him my bloody > engines will stay in the trailer for the weekend, he just schrugged his > shoulders. > Arriving Friday morning to unload I was told by some other club official " > you have half an hour to unload then get your car and trailer into the car > park. > I cannot believe the way some club officials carry on, it will be the last > National I will take engines to as I dont need all the crap and importance > clubs dish out to us that bring engines From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 23 07:23:22 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:23:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home In-Reply-To: <50666.199.62.0.252.1111585363.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <31288.199.62.0.252.1111581105.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> <50666.199.62.0.252.1111585363.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Bloody hell that's gorgeous!! Congrats!! The first time I saw one of those running was at Sistersville a few years ago. I must have watched that governor side mesmerized for half an hour. I love those engines! See ya, Arnie On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > a dream come true!! > i'm now the new caretaker of this 1906 2HP open crankcase Otto vertical. > he came home last night after a long trip from Nevada. > > pics at: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538 From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Mar 23 07:25:25 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:25:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home In-Reply-To: <50666.199.62.0.252.1111585363.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <31288.199.62.0.252.1111581105.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> <50666.199.62.0.252.1111585363.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <42418A65.1040005@scrtc.com> Nice hunk of iron Marv. I think I have seen that one before somewhere (the paint, tank, etc. looks familar). But, it could have been 20 or 30 years ago and no telling where that was. You've got a dandy there. I can "smell" a model of it in the works! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > a dream come true!! > i'm now the new caretaker of this 1906 2HP open crankcase Otto vertical. > he came home last night after a long trip from Nevada. > > pics at: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538 > > Marvin Otto Hedberg > (yes, my middle name really is Otto :-)) > marv in minn esota > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Mar 23 07:29:43 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:29:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home In-Reply-To: <50666.199.62.0.252.1111585363.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <200503231529.j2NFTjAO033842@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > i'm now the new caretaker of this 1906 2HP open crankcase > Otto vertical. he came home last night after a long trip from Nevada. > > pics at: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538 Hi Marv Otto, That's really a nice engine. Thanks for sharing the pictures. Rob From Vivas1993 at aol.com Wed Mar 23 07:34:31 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:34:31 EST Subject: [SEL] Great engine day Message-ID: <144.421d2321.2f72e687@aol.com> Hey everyone, Thanks for all of the positive responces ! I've got quite a bit to learn about this engine, but it will be fun ;o) I do have a few pictures of the Austral, but I'm not sure where or how to post them, advice is always welcome. As far as a picture of the new happy owner with the engine, let's just say I wouldn't want to mess up a picture of a nice engine !!! Regards to all ! Dwight Matoaca, VA. From curt at imc-group.com Wed Mar 23 07:47:41 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:47:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> <007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <42418F9D.5040206@imc-group.com> Ron Page wrote: >Hi Curt > > I don't know where people got the idea that the requirement for fences was >a LAW. Our legislators have not made LAWS in this regard however have done >in other areas such as occupation and health. We, private citizens, even if >we belong to a National body cannot make LAWS. In the case of our >Association we have not even made RULES. As I have stated before that the >Association has only issued GUIDELINES (there are reasons for this which I >have explained before) for the conduct of an engine rally, National or >otherwise. These have no standing in LAW, however, in saying that, I am >sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an >accident to the public. The last insurance policy I looked at included >reference to the guidelines. I have not seen the latest policy. > > Ron, As I looked at the compounds I could only begin to guess what the thousands of posts, the labor to dig them, the many kilometres of fence material, and the labour to erect all of it must have cost the organizers! It has to be a staggering number. I find your comments about the insurer using the organizers interesting and I believe you have hit the nail on the head. Sounds like the insurance companies are doing their best to lead organizers to believe that the compounds are required to assure that the insurance companies assume virtually no risk. At the very least this is unethical. Sounds like show organizers need to find out exactly what is required and what laws really exist and don't exist. If the compounds are not a requirement, show organizers stand to save a considerable sum of money not having to install them. In the States we simply ask folks displaying engines to set a few posts around their displays and hang a rope on it. Some displays do and some don't. It is up to the show organizers and is never dictated by the insurance company. In fact you will never see a representative of an insurance company at a show. Curt From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed Mar 23 07:50:12 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:50:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home In-Reply-To: <50666.199.62.0.252.1111585363.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Wow Marv, I'd change my middle name to Otto to have one of those! Really nice engine ya got there. Hope to see it in person some day. Congratulations, Steve OTTO Royster >From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home >Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:42:43 -0600 (CST) > > a dream come true!! > i'm now the new caretaker of this 1906 2HP open crankcase Otto vertical. > he came home last night after a long trip from Nevada. > > pics at: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538 > > Marvin Otto Hedberg > (yes, my middle name really is Otto :-)) > marv in minn esota > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marvhed at ecenet.com Wed Mar 23 09:11:34 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:11:34 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home In-Reply-To: <42418A65.1040005@scrtc.com> References: <31288.199.62.0.252.1111581105.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> <50666.199.62.0.252.1111585363.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> <42418A65.1040005@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <30982.199.62.0.252.1111597894.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> i bought it from Evelyn Williams in nevada. i don't know where they got it from. Kevin Withers said he's seen it before too. model?? i think i better get a few KC's done first :-) (but you never know what will be after that!!) thanks, marv > Nice hunk of iron Marv. I think I have seen that one before somewhere > (the paint, tank, etc. looks familar). But, it could have been 20 or 30 > years ago and no telling where that was. You've got a dandy there. I > can "smell" a model of it in the works! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > >> a dream come true!! >> i'm now the new caretaker of this 1906 2HP open crankcase Otto vertical. >> he came home last night after a long trip from Nevada. >> >> pics at: >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538 >> >> Marvin Otto Hedberg >> (yes, my middle name really is Otto :-)) >> marv in minn esota From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 23 05:54:08 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:54:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" References: <100.fd3118a.2f72337d@aol.com> Message-ID: I would assume then that the "driver" pulley would have to be wide enought so the belt stayed put?....whether on an engine or lineshaft. Thanks much Rickinmt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" > Hi Rick, > The main reason for the 2 pulleys is that you didn't have to have a > clutch > on every piece of equipment that was driven by the lineshaft, or shut down > the > engine when that piece of equipment wasn't in use. > All you had to do was slide the belt over to the loose pulley, to stop > the > pump, or what ever else was being powered. The belt would keep moving, but > what > was being powered would stop. > Take care, > Dwight > Matoaca, VA. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Mar 23 09:51:31 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:51:31 EST Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" Message-ID: <66.53846661.2f7306a3@aol.com> Hi Rick, I suspect, but can't say for sure, that having all the pulleys involved "crowned" is enough to allow for some misalignment without the belt running off. If I were setting it up, I would try for aligning the power source pulley with the driven pulley, and let the idler pulley be a little out of alignment. What's your situation? Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA In a message dated 3/23/2005 11:44:34 AM Central Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: I would assume then that the "driver" pulley would have to be wide enought so the belt stayed put?....whether on an engine or lineshaft. Thanks much Rickinmt. From nick at holden1.net Wed Mar 23 10:49:42 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:49:42 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Great engine day References: <144.421d2321.2f72e687@aol.com> Message-ID: <4241BA46.000001.00788@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Dwight just go to http://photo.epson.com/ and set up an account its free upload your photos and put in a link so we can all see Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4284455&a=31644863&f= -------Original Message------- From: Vivas1993 at aol.com Date: 03/23/05 15:47:48 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Great engine day Hey everyone, Thanks for all of the positive responces ! I've got quite a bit to learn about this engine, but it will be fun ;o) I do have a few pictures of the Austral, but I'm not sure where or how to post them, advice is always welcome. As far as a picture of the new happy owner with the engine, let's just say I wouldn't want to mess up a picture of a nice engine !!! Regards to all ! Dwight Matoaca, VA. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 23 10:59:17 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:59:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Bob Shaw Message-ID: <007601c52fda$6c0a5680$230110ac@PAUL> Folks I am looking for a telephone number for: Bob Shaw 67 cherry st. Bridgewater, MA 02324 United States His E-bay name is Tractorcartrucks Can someone help me with a telephone number. Paul From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 23 11:10:00 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:10:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" References: <66.53846661.2f7306a3@aol.com> Message-ID: > Hi Rick, > > I suspect, but can't say for sure, that having all the pulleys involved > "crowned" is enough to allow for some misalignment without the belt > running off. > If I were setting it up, I would try for aligning the power source pulley > with > the driven pulley, and let the idler pulley be a little out of alignment. > What's your situation? No situation yet Ron. Just nice to know trivia in case we ever get our line shaft. HEY THANKS GUYS!!! RickinMt. From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Mar 23 12:26:20 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:26:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" Message-ID: <20050323.153205.580.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rick, The belt doesn't need to be any wider than the pulley. If they're anywhere near lined up - it'll work. Providing thay have the proper crown. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:54:08 -0700 "Richard Strobel" writes: > I would assume then that the "driver" pulley would have to be wide > enought > so the belt stayed put?....whether on an engine or lineshaft. > > Thanks much > Rickinmt. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 7:50 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" > > > > Hi Rick, > > The main reason for the 2 pulleys is that you didn't have to have > a > > clutch > > on every piece of equipment that was driven by the lineshaft, or > shut down > > the > > engine when that piece of equipment wasn't in use. > > All you had to do was slide the belt over to the loose pulley, to > stop > > the > > pump, or what ever else was being powered. The belt would keep > moving, but > > what > > was being powered would stop. > > Take care, > > Dwight > > Matoaca, VA. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 23 12:41:00 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:41:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Semi-OT: Flats & bevels on nuts Message-ID: <20050323204100.13111.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com> Usually the flat, or flattest, bearing end of a nut faces or goes in contact with whatever it is holding. This is because nuts need as much contact as possible to distribute the pressure over the greatest area possible, which keeps the pressure-bearing surface from becoming distorted. If it gets distorted, then the last part of the thread where it emerges from the inside of the nut may get damaged, with the consequence that the bolt or stud thread may get badly torn up when the nut is removed, or make getting it off very difficult. Sometimes the bevels on the very tips of the wrench flats get machined so that they extend too far into the pressure-bearing surface of the nut. This is because the operators who maintain the nut making machines don?t do a very good job of adjusting the cutting tools when the machines are maintained. Some of you may remember my rant about commercially made pipefittings, which suffer from the same improper machine set-up. With nuts, if a lock washer is used (which is usually the case), then it is a moot point which way the nut faces, but just as long as the flat is wider than the lock washer. If you look at a lock washer you will see that there is a bevel on its inside edges so that they do not bear on the last part of the thread where it emerges from the nut. Despite this feature, lock washers quite often have their chisel points angled so that they chew up the thread on the nut anyway, but at least it usually does not cause any harm because metal is removed rather than getting mashed into the thread groove. The reasons why the tips of the wrench flats are machined on a bevel are to facilitate getting box and socket wrenches onto the nut as well as to keep from tearing up the mechanic?s fingers and knuckles. At least in theory! I have worked on a lot of machines that had sharp-edges on the nuts and bolt heads and they just tore my fingertips to pieces. Work and play safely! Rich ~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\: From curt at imc-group.com Wed Mar 23 12:55:13 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:55:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP Message-ID: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com> Guy and gals, I need some assistance with a problem I am having with how Windoze XP lists directories of files. Got new computers here and so I've trying to learn XP after years of running 98. Have found a XP glitch that is creating a bit of havoc for us. In both explorer and the cad programs, XP is arranging the numbered files differently than did 98. In 98 we would save drawings as a 3 digit number with no revision but with a description. And the revisions, a 5 digit number with no description would fall underneath. Such as: 235 Feed Roll 23501 23502 23503 236 Timing shaft 23601 23602 237 Belt drive assy 23701 However in XP it is showing directories as: 235 Feed Roll 236 Timing Shaft 237 Belt drive assy 23501 23501 23503 23601 23602 23701 As you can imagine this will create havoc when we goto look for the latest revision. I almost made that mistake today when looking for p/n 235. When I looked I found 235 Feed Roll and looking directly under it there were no revisions. I printed that drawing. Only because I knew there were revisions, did I know to find out where the "missing" drawings were located. In fact I had to goto the Win 98 server to find the "missing" files. Only after I studied this a bit did I discover the directory listing problem. Do you know if it is simply a matter of clicking something in one of the menus to make this directory list p/n's as did Win98? The thought of having to rename every p/n's 0 revision such as 23500 Feed Roll is out of the question. A tremendous amount of work for the 10's of thousands of drawings we have! Thanks for any help you can offer. I am at curt at imc-group.com Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Mar 23 13:02:56 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:02:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Moffat-Virtue badged Hercules References: <200503231200.j2NC0kNa067619@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000b01c52feb$b09fa640$3084dccb@oemcomputer> There was a 2.5S at a auction in Mudgee about 6 years ago badged as a Moffit.A friend of mine got it.It was set up with a gear driven pump that was also badged as a Moffit. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 11:00 Subject: [SEL] Moffat-Virtue badged Hercules > I have been corresponding with a fellow collector who wanted to know who > built his Moffat-Virtue badged engine. After a few descriptions I was still > not 100% sure what he had, until he email me a picture. There is no doubt > that the engine is a Hercules 3.5hp. I have not seen a M-V badged Hercules > before. There is apparently no badge on the engine except the M-V one. > Anyone else in Oz seen one of these? > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Mar 23 13:08:48 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:08:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin> <4241874D.5020104@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002301c52fec$82701ce0$3084dccb@oemcomputer> Hay Curt,They are all true!!!!!!!!!!! EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:12 Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Brock, > I was so focused on taking engine and steamer pictures I failed to take > a picture of the entire grounds. I'd like one if someone did. > Curt > P.S. Heard LOTS of wild stories about you at Narracoorte! ....Happy > Birthday! > > Brock Summerfield wrote: > > > G,day Curt > > > > i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the > > constuction industry mainly working on roads > > and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia > > bigger version of a withes hat > > we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic > > PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > > > > >> Barry, > >> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all > >> claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the > >> Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but there > >> was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences > >> were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash against > >> the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting one > >> of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT a > >> requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a > >> decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that said, > >> I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz > >> book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine > >> legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps local > >> ordinances could dictate....but laws? > >> > >> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their > >> impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at engines > >> from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are > >> to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm guessing > >> the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres > >> long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This > >> arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite difficult > >> unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who > >> would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it > >> yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length of > >> the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the > >> compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side > >> toward the fence. > >> > >> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering > >> down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with > >> the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not > >> going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could > >> get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study > >> them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange > >> business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators to > >> clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From > >> inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we > >> were in side shaft heaven! > >> > >> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair > >> of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white bum > >> showing in public was against the law too ;-) > >> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than > >> from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) > >> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... > >> Curt Holland > >> Gastonia, NC > >> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. > >> > >> > >> Barry Gorman wrote: > >> > >>> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , > >>> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled > >>> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to > >>> throw the blame in the wrong direction , > >>> Regards , > >>> Barry Gorman > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Mar 23 13:40:38 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:40:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP In-Reply-To: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200503232141.j2NLf9VK044071@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Welcome to LFNs XP is doing it properly, Win98 was not. Long file names are native to XP, it was a hack in 98 to make them work. Note that the list is ordered properly numerically in XP - 235, 236, etc THEN the larger numbers is correct. 235, 23501, etc then 236 is not numerically correct. Renaming is the only choice the way I'm seeing it. I never ever use spaces - even in XP - I use a dash or underscore, like 235-feed-roll. This way I know scripts, etc. that I might write to handle file manipulation won't be thrown by spaces. (I discourage people at work from using spaces in file names for that reason -it throws scripts for a loop) Maybe someone else here knows of a registry hack that might help - you might even write to PCMagazine..... Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 2:55 PM To: SEL Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP Guy and gals, I need some assistance with a problem I am having with how Windoze XP lists directories of files. Got new computers here and so I've trying to learn XP after years of running 98. Have found a XP glitch that is creating a bit of havoc for us. In both explorer and the cad programs, XP is arranging the numbered files differently than did 98. In 98 we would save drawings as a 3 digit number with no revision but with a description. And the revisions, a 5 digit number with no description would fall underneath. Such as: 235 Feed Roll 23501 23502 23503 236 Timing shaft 23601 23602 237 Belt drive assy 23701 However in XP it is showing directories as: 235 Feed Roll 236 Timing Shaft 237 Belt drive assy 23501 23501 23503 23601 23602 23701 As you can imagine this will create havoc when we goto look for the latest revision. I almost made that mistake today when looking for p/n 235. When I looked I found 235 Feed Roll and looking directly under it there were no revisions. I printed that drawing. Only because I knew there were revisions, did I know to find out where the "missing" drawings were located. In fact I had to goto the Win 98 server to find the "missing" files. Only after I studied this a bit did I discover the directory listing problem. Do you know if it is simply a matter of clicking something in one of the menus to make this directory list p/n's as did Win98? The thought of having to rename every p/n's 0 revision such as 23500 Feed Roll is out of the question. A tremendous amount of work for the 10's of thousands of drawings we have! Thanks for any help you can offer. I am at curt at imc-group.com Curt Holland Gastonia, NC _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Mar 23 13:56:54 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:56:54 EST Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home Message-ID: <1a8.343b727f.2f734026@aol.com> In a message dated 3/23/2005 9:13:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, marvhed at ecenet.com writes: << i'm now the new caretaker of this 1906 2HP open crankcase Otto vertical. he came home last night after a long trip from Nevada. >> Marvin Otto, A beautiful engine indeed! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 23 14:11:00 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:11:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP References: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Have the same problem Curt, It's renamed everyone of my jpegs...aarrrghhh Good Luck and I'll do some reading tonight...aaarrghh again RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP > Guy and gals, > I need some assistance with a problem I am having with how Windoze XP > lists directories of files. Got new computers here and so I've trying to > learn XP after years of running 98. > > Have found a XP glitch that is creating a bit of havoc for us. In both > explorer and the cad programs, XP is arranging the numbered files > differently than did 98. > > In 98 we would save drawings as a 3 digit number with no revision but > with a description. And the revisions, a 5 digit number with no > description would fall underneath. Such as: > > 235 Feed Roll > 23501 > 23502 > 23503 > 236 Timing shaft > 23601 > 23602 > 237 Belt drive assy > 23701 > > However in XP it is showing directories as: > > 235 Feed Roll > 236 Timing Shaft > 237 Belt drive assy > 23501 > 23501 > 23503 > 23601 > 23602 > 23701 > > As you can imagine this will create havoc when we goto look for the > latest revision. I almost made that mistake today when looking for p/n > 235. When I looked I found 235 Feed Roll and looking directly under it > there were no revisions. I printed that drawing. Only because I knew > there were revisions, did I know to find out where the "missing" > drawings were located. In fact I had to goto the Win 98 server to find > the "missing" files. Only after I studied this a bit did I discover the > directory listing problem. > > Do you know if it is simply a matter of clicking something in one of the > menus to make this directory list p/n's as did Win98? > > The thought of having to rename every p/n's 0 revision such as 23500 > Feed Roll is out of the question. A tremendous amount of work for the > 10's of thousands of drawings we have! > > Thanks for any help you can offer. I am at curt at imc-group.com > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Vivas1993 at aol.com Wed Mar 23 14:39:57 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:39:57 EST Subject: [SEL] Great engine day Message-ID: Hi Nick, Thanks. I just might try that out, as I do have quite a few photo's that I'd like to post. I've sent Ken Christison a few of the Austral pictures, and he's going to post them later on today. Take care, Dwight Matoaca, VA. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 23 14:44:06 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:44:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP References: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Curt, here's what I did and it seems to work. Do NOT use one of the installed programs to transfer. Insert backup CD, then click on My Computer and double click the CD drive. Select all, then click on copy to hardrive/folder or something like that. I created a new temp folder and copied a $hit pot full of engine pictures and they have the original name. Hopefully this will work for you. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP > Guy and gals, > I need some assistance with a problem I am having with how Windoze XP > lists directories of files. Got new computers here and so I've trying to > learn XP after years of running 98. > > Have found a XP glitch that is creating a bit of havoc for us. In both > explorer and the cad programs, XP is arranging the numbered files > differently than did 98. > > In 98 we would save drawings as a 3 digit number with no revision but > with a description. And the revisions, a 5 digit number with no > description would fall underneath. Such as: > > 235 Feed Roll > 23501 > 23502 > 23503 > 236 Timing shaft > 23601 > 23602 > 237 Belt drive assy > 23701 > > However in XP it is showing directories as: > > 235 Feed Roll > 236 Timing Shaft > 237 Belt drive assy > 23501 > 23501 > 23503 > 23601 > 23602 > 23701 > > As you can imagine this will create havoc when we goto look for the > latest revision. I almost made that mistake today when looking for p/n > 235. When I looked I found 235 Feed Roll and looking directly under it > there were no revisions. I printed that drawing. Only because I knew > there were revisions, did I know to find out where the "missing" > drawings were located. In fact I had to goto the Win 98 server to find > the "missing" files. Only after I studied this a bit did I discover the > directory listing problem. > > Do you know if it is simply a matter of clicking something in one of the > menus to make this directory list p/n's as did Win98? > > The thought of having to rename every p/n's 0 revision such as 23500 > Feed Roll is out of the question. A tremendous amount of work for the > 10's of thousands of drawings we have! > > Thanks for any help you can offer. I am at curt at imc-group.com > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 23 14:48:21 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:48:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Insurance.....Star Pickets Message-ID: Hi Peter, as you and every one else knows all insurance companies will find a way out of paying out . I've worked on farms most of my life and have never had anyone show me that a star picket went in a certain way as most are used in a fence line. Dave >From: "peter ogborne" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] Insurance.....Star Pickets >Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:14:38 +0800 > >I hate to throw this in but a recent experience involving a claim by an >exhibitor at a small agricultural show and an accident involving a star >picket holding a tent being pulled out of the ground by a strong gust of >wind, bears thinking about. >Because the star picket was not hammered into the ground in what the >insurance investigator said was the correct manner the claim was not met. >The star picket was in the ground with just one of the three sides taking >the strain ...it should have been reversed with two sides as in a Y shape >taking the strain ,ie in compression. >Work that one out. >Peter Ogborne >Little Grove ,Albany >West Australia >''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >jopeter at omninet.net.au > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Find love today with ninemsn personals. Click here: http://ninemsn.match.com?referrer=hotmailtagline From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Wed Mar 23 14:38:23 2005 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:08:23 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba><4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris> Message-ID: <00c601c52ffa$a96623e0$88a2fea9@adsl> Kerry I will pass your comments on. Because of my daughters illness and not being around prior to the rally, I dont know the reason. I do know there was a fair amount of tension between some committee members, but I do know that security was a big issue. In regards to Safety, I know the safety officer took a reasonably fair approach to the whole subject. HE let people exhibit with some things which I would have questioned. Out of interest, it is quoted that around 22000 people attended the Rally. Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > While I am in the writing mood, I had a great time at Naracoorte, was a good > rally but I was totally pissed off to start with, after driving 1400 km I > arrived at 6.00 pm Thursday night still with several hours of light, I made > sure I was there Thursday as Friday was a run day for school kids, no > problem just drove longer ot get there. > Got to the gate to be told by some club official "Your too late come back > tomorrow" what about unloading my engines first I said, I told you come back > tommorow he said, no reason was given, as I departed I told him my bloody > engines will stay in the trailer for the weekend, he just schrugged his > shoulders. > Arriving Friday morning to unload I was told by some other club official " > you have half an hour to unload then get your car and trailer into the car > park. > I cannot believe the way some club officials carry on, it will be the last > National I will take engines to as I dont need all the crap and importance > clubs dish out to us that bring engines > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow Oz > > > Hi Curt > > > > I don't know where people got the idea that the requirement for fences was > > a LAW. Our legislators have not made LAWS in this regard however have > > done > > in other areas such as occupation and health. We, private citizens, even > > if > > we belong to a National body cannot make LAWS. In the case of our > > Association we have not even made RULES. As I have stated before that the > > Association has only issued GUIDELINES (there are reasons for this which I > > have explained before) for the conduct of an engine rally, National or > > otherwise. These have no standing in LAW, however, in saying that, I am > > sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an > > accident to the public. The last insurance policy I looked at included > > reference to the guidelines. I have not seen the latest policy. > > > > In regards to your comment regarding laws about unrestrained animals (read > > dogs). Yes the majority of councils if not all have laws regarding > > unleashed dogs in public places and cleaning up their droppings as you go > > a > > long. In fact some councils provide bins and plastics bags for dog owners > > for this purpose. It all stems from the number of dog attacks on humans > > that we have had over the past few years, some resulting in death. And > > the > > other part is as a result of pedestrians stepping into the droppings. > > However you can be lucky my place backs onto a "free range" area and my > > dogs > > can run loose and, best of all, I don't have to carry plastic bags. > > > > While I have been writing this I notice that Reg has commented. I agree > > with you Reg. I would like to see the Insurers put it in writing. Bet > > they > > don't. > > > > And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until > > they > > put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be > > allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the > > NHMA. > > > > Ron > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Wed Mar 23 14:43:53 2005 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:13:53 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba><4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris> <00c601c52f9d$ff187110$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <00c701c52ffa$ac0ba160$88a2fea9@adsl> Ron, As a member of the Organising Club I noticed that some of those officials who were "enforcing" matters were not members of the Naracoorte Club. I think in this debate over Nation Rallies one thing that has come to my realisation is that any club only has one opportunity to run the rally. There are very few guidelines given by NHMA on how it should be done. NAracoorte made plenty of mistakes, as I bet every club who has previously run one did and so will those who run them in the future. In all this I have not found anyone that did not enjoy the experience. Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Well said Kerry. Maybe it is time some of the NHMA members spent some time > on the committee (only elected for two years) and sent out the message to > the club officials not to be so officious. As you say we are only there to > enjoy ourselves. > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerry" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:07 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > > > G'Day Ron and All > > > > With all due respect, > > > I am sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of > an > > > accident to the public. > > and > > > And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until > > > they > > > put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not > be > > > allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the > NHMA > > > > WHO SAID?, I am lead to believe the insurance person at the rally stated > at > > the Friday Night Meeting that the insurance would be honoured even if > there > > were no fences installed. > > We were told before the rally if we had problems with insurance talk to > > him, he made the statement (of which I did not hear first hand but there > > was a major discussion by everyone on Saturday), now you are hiding behind > > "its Association Guidelines", I can ensure you, clubs are not using them > as > > guidelines but RULES you must 100% abide by, and some of the safety > offices > > will make you believe it is the LAW, at Hayfield my transport wheels was 2 > > inches over the 1 metre line but the flywheel was a foot on the engine > side > > of the line I was ordered to move the transport 2" so it would be totally > 1 > > metre from fence (other list members were present), this is just crap and > > the Guidelines, stupid club officials and Gestapo safety officers are out > of > > control. > > > > We have been constantly told by club and Association officials the OHS and > > insurance requirements drove the guidelines the way they were drafted, if > > you remember any of my posts last year they all had a common thread, that > it > > was not necessary the insurance requirements but the association making up > > its own rules, if the statements of the insurance person is true then my > > thoughts are correct. > > > > As I have said many times I have no problems with the fences only the > > Guidelines / RULES that have been enforced on us by people that should > have > > been looking after us for our enjoyment while running engines. > > > > In regards to the dogs I think we all know about Laws on unrestrained > dogs, > > but reading Reg's post he was chatted by a club official at a rally, what > > bloody right has any club official got to administer the LAW, what is > next, > > safety officers checking if our trailer is registered or not or if we had > a > > tetanus shot encase we touch our rusty iron. > > > > To finalise I think a lot of people attending rallies are fed up with > > officials hiding behind legal (OHS and Insurance) issues and not doing the > > best for the people that run engines at rallies > > > > Just my 2 bobs worth nothing personal > > > > While I am in the writing mood, I had a great time at Naracoorte, was a > good > > rally but I was totally pissed off to start with, after driving 1400 km I > > arrived at 6.00 pm Thursday night still with several hours of light, I > made > > sure I was there Thursday as Friday was a run day for school kids, no > > problem just drove longer ot get there. > > Got to the gate to be told by some club official "Your too late come back > > tomorrow" what about unloading my engines first I said, I told you come > back > > tommorow he said, no reason was given, as I departed I told him my bloody > > engines will stay in the trailer for the weekend, he just schrugged his > > shoulders. > > Arriving Friday morning to unload I was told by some other club official " > > you have half an hour to unload then get your car and trailer into the car > > park. > > I cannot believe the way some club officials carry on, it will be the last > > National I will take engines to as I dont need all the crap and importance > > clubs dish out to us that bring engines > > > > Kerry Morris > > Lithgow Oz > > > > > Hi Curt > > > > > > I don't know where people got the idea that the requirement for fences > was > > > a LAW. Our legislators have not made LAWS in this regard however have > > > done > > > in other areas such as occupation and health. We, private citizens, > even > > > if > > > we belong to a National body cannot make LAWS. In the case of our > > > Association we have not even made RULES. As I have stated before that > the > > > Association has only issued GUIDELINES (there are reasons for this which > I > > > have explained before) for the conduct of an engine rally, National or > > > otherwise. These have no standing in LAW, however, in saying that, I am > > > sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an > > > accident to the public. The last insurance policy I looked at included > > > reference to the guidelines. I have not seen the latest policy. > > > > > > In regards to your comment regarding laws about unrestrained animals > (read > > > dogs). Yes the majority of councils if not all have laws regarding > > > unleashed dogs in public places and cleaning up their droppings as you > go > > > a > > > long. In fact some councils provide bins and plastics bags for dog > owners > > > for this purpose. It all stems from the number of dog attacks on humans > > > that we have had over the past few years, some resulting in death. And > > > the > > > other part is as a result of pedestrians stepping into the droppings. > > > However you can be lucky my place backs onto a "free range" area and my > > > dogs > > > can run loose and, best of all, I don't have to carry plastic bags. > > > > > > While I have been writing this I notice that Reg has commented. I agree > > > with you Reg. I would like to see the Insurers put it in writing. Bet > > > they > > > don't. > > > > > > And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until > > > they > > > put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not > be > > > allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the > > > NHMA. > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Wed Mar 23 14:45:06 2005 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:15:06 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba><4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> <007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris> <42418321.4040705@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00c801c52ffa$b023e8c0$88a2fea9@adsl> Curt I will pass your comments on Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:24 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Wed Mar 23 14:49:07 2005 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:19:07 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <42418F9D.5040206@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00c901c52ffa$b409d580$88a2fea9@adsl> Curt The only cost to the club for the erection of the compounds was the labour in putting them up and taking them down. And that was volunteered. A member of the public said to me on the Saturday that he was pleased with the fences around the compounds because it was safe to let his children wander to see the engines etc, without the fear of them getting tangled in the machines. Worth passing on. Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:17 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Ron, > As I looked at the compounds I could only begin to guess what the > thousands of posts, the labor to dig them, the many kilometres of fence > material, and the labour to erect all of it must have cost the > organizers! It has to be a staggering number. From BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com Wed Mar 23 14:54:58 2005 From: BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com (Barry Gorman) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:54:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba><4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> <004d01c52f72$fcc9fbc0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <003401c52ffb$5cb9bba0$1f218b90@userd6162315ba> Curt , some answers below Barry Gorman Glorious Hunter Valley NSW AUSTRALIA BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com From: "Curt" Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. Barry, In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, ---------------------------------------------------------- - as you rightly noticed I didn't attend The Rally , As I spent some time closer to home at Naracoorte ,N.S.W. - ---------------------------------------------------------- I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps local ordinances could dictate....but laws? --------------------------------------------------- "In OZ It is called the companion animals Act" And I believe Most of our problems come form the "civil libertarians /green groups" with only a few people willing to stand up to stop them . Regards , Barry From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 15:12:53 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:12:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605032315122518abe1@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:11:00 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > Have the same problem Curt, It's renamed everyone of my jpegs...aarrrghhh > > Good Luck and I'll do some reading tonight...aaarrghh again > > RickinMt. I think Bill is quite correct, Win98 was always a consumer programme and didn't have all the bells and whistles of NT, even with the SE edition. If you have anything that needs reliable processing, then get into Win2kPro or XP Pro, both are pretty bullet-proof and although I have a preference for Win2kPro I know lots of folks that use and get on with XP, including Dolly IIRC. Don't forget also that most folder views are customisable in how you see files. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Vivas1993 at aol.com Wed Mar 23 15:38:41 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:38:41 EST Subject: [SEL] Great engine day Message-ID: <1d6.3945894e.2f735801@aol.com> Hi folks, Thanks to Ken Christison, here is a link to the Austral pictures. http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/vivas I just gotta learn more of this puter stuff ! Thanks again Ken. Dwight Matoaca, VA. From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Mar 23 15:38:46 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Vicki Page) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:38:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba><4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris><00c601c52f9d$ff187110$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <00c701c52ffa$ac0ba160$88a2fea9@adsl> Message-ID: <008f01c53001$758777c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Steve and Denise I find that comment about a club only has one opportunity to run the National. Not so. Our Canberra Club ran the event in 1995 and is scheduled for it again in 2009 - State rotation and all that which was discussed in Tasmania in 2001. Whether we put in a bid is another matter. As for your comment regarding lack of guidelines I can only assume you have not seen the National Rally Rules. They were originally going to be guidelines however by a proposal put from the floor at the Henty National in 1999 the Association members, by majority vote, agreed to them being called Rules. You're right organisers of every National have made mistakes and will continue to do so - it is only human nature, however in saying that I think that once people get to an event the majority have a good time - but you will always get a few whingers. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven N Kitto" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Ron, > > As a member of the Organising Club I noticed that some of those officials > who were "enforcing" matters were not members of the Naracoorte Club. > > I think in this debate over Nation Rallies one thing that has come to my > realisation is that any club only has one opportunity to run the rally. > There are very few guidelines given by NHMA on how it should be done. > NAracoorte made plenty of mistakes, as I bet every club who has previously > run one did and so will those who run them in the future. > > In all this I have not found anyone that did not enjoy the experience. > Steve and Denise Kitto > 4 Fifth Ave > Naracoorte > South Australia > Ph 08 87621147 > > As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. > Proverbs 27:19 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Page" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:16 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > > > Well said Kerry. Maybe it is time some of the NHMA members spent some > time > > on the committee (only elected for two years) and sent out the message to > > the club officials not to be so officious. As you say we are only there > to > > enjoy ourselves. > > > > Ron > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kerry" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > > > > > > G'Day Ron and All > > > > > > With all due respect, > > > > I am sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of > > an > > > > accident to the public. > > > and > > > > And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but > until > > > > they > > > > put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not > > be > > > > allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the > > NHMA > > > > > > WHO SAID?, I am lead to believe the insurance person at the rally > stated > > at > > > the Friday Night Meeting that the insurance would be honoured even if > > there > > > were no fences installed. > > > We were told before the rally if we had problems with insurance talk to > > > him, he made the statement (of which I did not hear first hand but > there > > > was a major discussion by everyone on Saturday), now you are hiding > behind > > > "its Association Guidelines", I can ensure you, clubs are not using them > > as > > > guidelines but RULES you must 100% abide by, and some of the safety > > offices > > > will make you believe it is the LAW, at Hayfield my transport wheels was > 2 > > > inches over the 1 metre line but the flywheel was a foot on the engine > > side > > > of the line I was ordered to move the transport 2" so it would be > totally > > 1 > > > metre from fence (other list members were present), this is just crap > and > > > the Guidelines, stupid club officials and Gestapo safety officers are > out > > of > > > control. > > > > > > We have been constantly told by club and Association officials the OHS > and > > > insurance requirements drove the guidelines the way they were drafted, > if > > > you remember any of my posts last year they all had a common thread, > that > > it > > > was not necessary the insurance requirements but the association making > up > > > its own rules, if the statements of the insurance person is true then my > > > thoughts are correct. > > > > > > As I have said many times I have no problems with the fences only the > > > Guidelines / RULES that have been enforced on us by people that should > > have > > > been looking after us for our enjoyment while running engines. > > > > > > In regards to the dogs I think we all know about Laws on unrestrained > > dogs, > > > but reading Reg's post he was chatted by a club official at a rally, > what > > > bloody right has any club official got to administer the LAW, what is > > next, > > > safety officers checking if our trailer is registered or not or if we > had > > a > > > tetanus shot encase we touch our rusty iron. > > > > > > To finalise I think a lot of people attending rallies are fed up with > > > officials hiding behind legal (OHS and Insurance) issues and not doing > the > > > best for the people that run engines at rallies > > > > > > Just my 2 bobs worth nothing personal > > > > > > While I am in the writing mood, I had a great time at Naracoorte, was a > > good > > > rally but I was totally pissed off to start with, after driving 1400 km > I > > > arrived at 6.00 pm Thursday night still with several hours of light, I > > made > > > sure I was there Thursday as Friday was a run day for school kids, no > > > problem just drove longer ot get there. > > > Got to the gate to be told by some club official "Your too late come > back > > > tomorrow" what about unloading my engines first I said, I told you come > > back > > > tommorow he said, no reason was given, as I departed I told him my > bloody > > > engines will stay in the trailer for the weekend, he just schrugged his > > > shoulders. > > > Arriving Friday morning to unload I was told by some other club official > " > > > you have half an hour to unload then get your car and trailer into the > car > > > park. > > > I cannot believe the way some club officials carry on, it will be the > last > > > National I will take engines to as I dont need all the crap and > importance > > > clubs dish out to us that bring engines > > > > > > Kerry Morris > > > Lithgow Oz > > > > > > > Hi Curt > > > > > > > > I don't know where people got the idea that the requirement for fences > > was > > > > a LAW. Our legislators have not made LAWS in this regard however have > > > > done > > > > in other areas such as occupation and health. We, private citizens, > > even > > > > if > > > > we belong to a National body cannot make LAWS. In the case of our > > > > Association we have not even made RULES. As I have stated before that > > the > > > > Association has only issued GUIDELINES (there are reasons for this > which > > I > > > > have explained before) for the conduct of an engine rally, National or > > > > otherwise. These have no standing in LAW, however, in saying that, I > am > > > > sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an > > > > accident to the public. The last insurance policy I looked at > included > > > > reference to the guidelines. I have not seen the latest policy. > > > > > > > > In regards to your comment regarding laws about unrestrained animals > > (read > > > > dogs). Yes the majority of councils if not all have laws regarding > > > > unleashed dogs in public places and cleaning up their droppings as you > > go > > > > a > > > > long. In fact some councils provide bins and plastics bags for dog > > owners > > > > for this purpose. It all stems from the number of dog attacks on > humans > > > > that we have had over the past few years, some resulting in death. > And > > > > the > > > > other part is as a result of pedestrians stepping into the droppings. > > > > However you can be lucky my place backs onto a "free range" area and > my > > > > dogs > > > > can run loose and, best of all, I don't have to carry plastic bags. > > > > > > > > While I have been writing this I notice that Reg has commented. I > agree > > > > with you Reg. I would like to see the Insurers put it in writing. > Bet > > > > they > > > > don't. > > > > > > > > And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but > until > > > > they > > > > put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not > > be > > > > allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the > > > > NHMA. > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 15:44:28 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:44:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <00c901c52ffa$b409d580$88a2fea9@adsl> References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg> <008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> <007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <42418F9D.5040206@imc-group.com> <00c901c52ffa$b409d580$88a2fea9@adsl> Message-ID: <6f6025160503231544742218fd@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:19:07 +1030, Steven N Kitto wrote: > Curt > The only cost to the club for the erection of the compounds was the labour > in putting them up and taking them down. And that was volunteered. > > A member of the public said to me on the Saturday that he was pleased with > the fences around the compounds because it was safe to let his children > wander to see the engines etc, without the fear of them getting tangled in > the machines. Worth passing on. > > Steve and Denise Kitto I (somewhat reluctantly) want to comment on this as it seems to me that we as a race are going away from individual responsibility and towards a state of being 'looked after' in terms of anything dangerous or exciting, whatever. When we were kids in the 1950's, we had a long leash and were allowed as much freedom as we could use, as long as we obeyed the rules which were knocked into us by our parents. If we goofed, we got punished and it was forgotten about by all, except that after you had a whack YOU didn't forget and you made damm sure you weren't in line for another. At school we had the cane, even at Junior school. Same thing there, if you goofed, you got punished, simple as that. If the present trend continues, we will not be allowed to punish our kids, they will not learn by their mistakes until it is too late, and kids won't learn anything at all from their parents as nothing will be passed on to them. Protecting kids from machinery and engines is all very fine, but when I was a kid you had basic ground rules set out before you left the house and you stuck to them. You didn't poke your fingers into anything at all, you could look but not touch as it wasn't yours to play with, you didn't speak back at people: I am sure most of the older members will remember these basics well. What we seem to have lost is the ability to pass these on to the present generation. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 15:45:44 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:45:44 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605032315454bfa8cf0@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:44:06 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > Curt, here's what I did and it seems to work. > > Do NOT use one of the installed programs to transfer. > > Insert backup CD, then click on My Computer and double click the CD drive. > > Select all, then click on copy to hardrive/folder or something like that. > > I created a new temp folder and copied a $hit pot full of engine pictures > and they have the original name. > > Hopefully this will work for you. > > > RickinMt. Don't forget also that the CD files you copied will be 'Read Only' files until you change the attributes..... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Mar 23 15:53:24 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:53:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home In-Reply-To: <50666.199.62.0.252.1111585363.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <31288.199.62.0.252.1111581105.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> <50666.199.62.0.252.1111585363.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <2bb00c1df910d4129b59966c9b48885d@chartertn.net> Wow! I notice it says "Otto Engine Company, Philadelphia, PA." I guess that's the old Schleicher-Schumm concern? John On Mar 23, 2005, at 8:42 AM, MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > a dream come true!! > i'm now the new caretaker of this 1906 2HP open crankcase Otto > vertical. > he came home last night after a long trip from Nevada. > > pics at: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538 John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Wed Mar 23 16:07:39 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:07:39 +0800 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" In-Reply-To: <66.53846661.2f7306a3@aol.com> References: <66.53846661.2f7306a3@aol.com> Message-ID: <424204CB.4080209@optusnet.com.au> MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: >Hi Rick, > >I suspect, but can't say for sure, that having all the pulleys involved >"crowned" is enough to allow for some misalignment without the belt running off. >If I were setting it up, I would try for aligning the power source pulley with >the driven pulley, and let the idler pulley be a little out of alignment. >What's your situation? >Regards, >Ron Carroll >Clearmont, Missouri USA > > > >In a message dated 3/23/2005 11:44:34 AM Central Standard Time, >Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: >I would assume then that the "driver" pulley would have to be wide enought >so the belt stayed put?....whether on an engine or lineshaft. > >Thanks much >Rickinmt. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > With most of the fast & loose pulley systems I've seen (and used!), the fast and loose pulleys were crowned but there was no crowning on the double-width driver. The shifting-gear (usually overhead and actuated by either a long lever or a rope) has guides to push the belt sideways as required, but is not required to act as an alignment device. In fact, when properly set up, the guides stand clear of the edges of the belt except when shifting the belt across. Jack in Oz From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Wed Mar 23 16:33:20 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:33:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" References: <66.53846661.2f7306a3@aol.com> Message-ID: <014501c53009$153bb2c0$cc601f40@ibm22761389857> Typically the drive pulley was as wide or wider than the two tight/free pulleys and I suspect it was not crowned. It depends on how far apart the shafts were - wide separation not as critical as close spaced shafts. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 14:10 Subject: Re: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" > > Hi Rick, > > > > I suspect, but can't say for sure, that having all the pulleys involved > > "crowned" is enough to allow for some misalignment without the belt > > running off. > > If I were setting it up, I would try for aligning the power source pulley > > with > > the driven pulley, and let the idler pulley be a little out of alignment. > > What's your situation? > > > No situation yet Ron. Just nice to know trivia in case we ever get our > line shaft. > > > HEY THANKS GUYS!!! > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Mar 23 16:39:02 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:39:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP In-Reply-To: <6f60251605032315122518abe1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200503240039.j2O0dcJN088496@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> W2K is more stable IMHO. XP is fine, but has its own issues. When you start adding bells and whistles, it takes more code, more horsepower, and leads to instabilities. Alas, progress - and the 'dumbing-down' of operating systems for the masses.......... Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 5:13 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:11:00 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > Have the same problem Curt, It's renamed everyone of my > jpegs...aarrrghhh > > Good Luck and I'll do some reading tonight...aaarrghh again > > RickinMt. I think Bill is quite correct, Win98 was always a consumer programme and didn't have all the bells and whistles of NT, even with the SE edition. If you have anything that needs reliable processing, then get into Win2kPro or XP Pro, both are pretty bullet-proof and although I have a preference for Win2kPro I know lots of folks that use and get on with XP, including Dolly IIRC. Don't forget also that most folder views are customisable in how you see files. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 23 17:02:31 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:02:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP References: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com> <6f60251605032315454bfa8cf0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: What attribute should I change them to and can I do that in bulk? Thanks much Peter RickinMt. > > Don't forget also that the CD files you copied will be 'Read Only' > files until you change the attributes..... > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 23 17:13:08 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:13:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" References: <66.53846661.2f7306a3@aol.com> <424204CB.4080209@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: Thats the way I would think it would work also. Thanks Jack!! It will be fun playing with the setup when we get her going. later, RickinMt. > With most of the fast & loose pulley systems I've seen (and used!), the > fast and loose pulleys were crowned but there was no crowning on the > double-width driver. > The shifting-gear (usually overhead and actuated by either a long lever > or a rope) has guides to push the belt sideways as required, but is not > required to act as an alignment device. In fact, when properly set up, > the guides stand clear of the edges of the belt except when shifting the > belt across. > > Jack in Oz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 23 17:52:15 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:52:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050324015215.42485.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Right you are Rick, Plus you can have the belt on the loose pulley for engine starting. I have a very nice old power hacksaw. It was built to be powered by an overhead line shaft. You flip a lever to move the belt from the loose pulley onto the locked one. The saw starts cutting. When the saw cuts through,,, the frame hits a lever that moves a rod that comes around and moves the belt back onto the loose wheel. And here I thought that switch was such a handy thing on my electric metal cutting band saw. They HAD to put that switch there to make it do what the old timers did mechanically. 8>)) Alan Bowen --- Tod Engine wrote: > You move the belt to the free wheel when you want to disengage the pump but > keep the power source running. Then to engage the pump move the belt to the > locked wheel (called that because its "locked" to the driveshaft) and the > pump starts up. > > Its used extensively in overhead line shafted machine shops. > > Rick in Youngstown > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "SEL email discussion list" > Cc: "Corky and Judy Harris" > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 8:52 PM > Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" > > > > Howdy all; > > We don't know why, but several of our pump jacks and water pumps (F-M > > "typhoon") have 2 belt pulleys next to each other. One is free wheeling > > and the other is locked to the shaft. We believe they called this > > arrangement "free wheel, Locked wheel". > > Can anyone explain why they did this arrangement? > > > > TIA > > Rick and Cork in Mt. _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 23 17:43:56 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:43:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter Message-ID: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL> Ok Gang, as usual I am stuck and need the help and wisdom of all of the engine czar's. I am working on my little 1-1/2 HP Petter Apple Top engine, it is 99% complete, runs, but is missing the brass governor shoe that runs in the governor collar. Roland Craven has graciously offered to make one for me but he needs the dimensions of the collar that the shoe runs in. I am was able to get a measurement of the collar on the engine and determined that from the top to the bottom of the collar there was a .015 to .020 taper. Roland ask me to remove the collar and have someone true it up and then send him the dimensions. I got the starting dog and governor cover (sauce pan) off fairly easy but have been working for a week trying to get the gib key out of the flywheel so I can get to the collar. I have been applying Kroil penetrating oil to it for over a week. I have an original gib key removal tool and have been trying it but I am about to clip off the tang on the gib key by applying so much pressure and it still has not moved. I am about to fire up the blue wrench but hate to put heat on a flywheel hub. I am open to any suggestions to get this key out. Here are some pictures of the engine and gib key I am working on. http://client.webshots.com/photo/303593896/303593896UaQekG Paul From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Mar 23 18:23:22 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:23:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><42418F9D.5040206@imc-group.com> <00c901c52ffa$b409d580$88a2fea9@adsl> Message-ID: <010e01c53018$76c50960$0301a8c0@Reg> At shows in the USA that are MUCH bigger, parents CONTROL their kids and dont allow them to go running wild. Why should WE have to control their kids? Its an ENGINE show, not a flamin playground. You want your kids to wander? Take them elsewhere. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven N Kitto" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Curt > The only cost to the club for the erection of the compounds was the labour > in putting them up and taking them down. And that was volunteered. > > A member of the public said to me on the Saturday that he was pleased with > the fences around the compounds because it was safe to let his children > wander to see the engines etc, without the fear of them getting tangled in > the machines. Worth passing on. > > Steve and Denise Kitto > 4 Fifth Ave > Naracoorte > South Australia > Ph 08 87621147 > > As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. > Proverbs 27:19 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:17 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > > > Ron, > > As I looked at the compounds I could only begin to guess what the > > thousands of posts, the labor to dig them, the many kilometres of fence > > material, and the labour to erect all of it must have cost the > > organizers! It has to be a staggering number. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Mar 23 18:22:28 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:22:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter In-Reply-To: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL> References: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <42422464.609@earthlink.net> Paul, Drill it out. Here's the first one I did. http://frapa.us/Gib/Gib/Gib.html Jeff Allen Paul Maples wrote: >Ok Gang, as usual I am stuck and need the help and wisdom of all of the engine czar's. I am working on my little 1-1/2 HP Petter Apple Top engine, it is 99% complete, runs, but is missing the brass governor shoe that runs in the governor collar. Roland Craven has graciously offered to make one for me but he needs the dimensions of the collar that the shoe runs in. I am was able to get a measurement of the collar on the engine and determined that from the top to the bottom of the collar there was a .015 to .020 taper. Roland ask me to remove the collar and have someone true it up and then send him the dimensions. > >I got the starting dog and governor cover (sauce pan) off fairly easy but have been working for a week trying to get the gib key out of the flywheel so I can get to the collar. I have been applying Kroil penetrating oil to it for over a week. I have an original gib key removal tool and have been trying it but I am about to clip off the tang on the gib key by applying so much pressure and it still has not moved. I am about to fire up the blue wrench but hate to put heat on a flywheel hub. > >I am open to any suggestions to get this key out. Here are some pictures of the engine and gib key I am working on. > >http://client.webshots.com/photo/303593896/303593896UaQekG > >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Mar 23 18:26:09 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:26:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Insurance.....Star Pickets References: Message-ID: <011601c53018$e2614120$0301a8c0@Reg> I am sure this would have had a different result if it had been followed up properly instead of just sitting back and accepting. I notice that discontent on a lot of the handling of the hobby is spreading. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Insurance.....Star Pickets > Hi Peter, as you and every one else knows all insurance companies will find > a way out of paying out . I've worked on farms most of my life and have > never had anyone show me that a star picket went in a certain way as most > are used in a fence line. Dave > > >From: "peter ogborne" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: > >Subject: [SEL] Insurance.....Star Pickets > >Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:14:38 +0800 > > > >I hate to throw this in but a recent experience involving a claim by an > >exhibitor at a small agricultural show and an accident involving a star > >picket holding a tent being pulled out of the ground by a strong gust of > >wind, bears thinking about. > >Because the star picket was not hammered into the ground in what the > >insurance investigator said was the correct manner the claim was not met. > >The star picket was in the ground with just one of the three sides taking > >the strain ...it should have been reversed with two sides as in a Y shape > >taking the strain ,ie in compression. > >Work that one out. > >Peter Ogborne > >Little Grove ,Albany > >West Australia > >''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > >jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find love today with ninemsn personals. Click here: > http://ninemsn.match.com?referrer=hotmailtagline > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rexhinz at chorus.net Wed Mar 23 18:30:58 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:30:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy 2-1/2 HP E References: <002d01c52f40$f9642730$0c86a5d8@mycomputer> <6.1.2.0.0.20050323001757.116fd2f8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001e01c53019$86169630$6986a5d8@mycomputer> Thanks for the replies: Curt contacted me off list and he thinks the engine may have had lots of blow by like one of their Hercs , Blows the oil out of the oiler and into the hopper , anyway makes sense to me as the engine has all the signs of a well used engine, I know there is a lot of lost compression around the rings as it hisses like a snake on the compression stroke. Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 2-1/2 HP E > At 07:40 PM 3/22/2005, you wrote: > >Hi All: > > > > Working on the Economy and found the hopper caked with about 1 inch > >of petrafied grease , crude oil ? > >Rex Hinz > > Hi Rex, Sometimes a guy would use oil in the hopper instead of water. Oil > would not freeze. > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca Wed Mar 23 18:58:37 2005 From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:58:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050324025837.15212.qmail@web51404.mail.yahoo.com> Paul - I have had success every time by drilling and tapping a hole in the end of the key and using a slide hammer to pull the key. Use as large as possible size bolt to pull with. Use extreme care to get the hole drilled in the center of the key. Larry Anger. Paul Maples wrote: Ok Gang, as usual I am stuck and need the help and wisdom of all of the engine czar's. I am working on my little 1-1/2 HP Petter Apple Top engine, it is 99% complete, runs, but is missing the brass governor shoe that runs in the governor collar. Roland Craven has graciously offered to make one for me but he needs the dimensions of the collar that the shoe runs in. I am was able to get a measurement of the collar on the engine and determined that from the top to the bottom of the collar there was a .015 to .020 taper. Roland ask me to remove the collar and have someone true it up and then send him the dimensions. I got the starting dog and governor cover (sauce pan) off fairly easy but have been working for a week trying to get the gib key out of the flywheel so I can get to the collar. I have been applying Kroil penetrating oil to it for over a week. I have an original gib key removal tool and have been trying it but I am about to clip off the tang on the gib key by applying so much pressure and it still has not moved. I am about to fire up the blue wrench but hate to put heat on a flywheel hub. I am open to any suggestions to get this key out. Here are some pictures of the engine and gib key I am working on. http://client.webshots.com/photo/303593896/303593896UaQekG Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 23 19:18:43 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:18:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. PayPal E-mail Notifications Message-ID: <00d601c53020$369c8040$230110ac@PAUL> I know that many of you on the SEL use PayPal when buying and selling on E-bay so maybe someone can help me. I use to always get a e-mail notification from PayPal when someone paid me with PayPal. This notification not only informed me that I had been paid but told me who the payee was, their name and mailing address, the item number and description etc. I no longer get any notifications from PayPal when someone pays me, the only way I know if I have been paid is to go to PayPal and open my account and look to see if I have been paid. I wrote PayPal an e-mail message asking for help to resolve this, two days later I get an e-mail from them telling me to call a telephone number they sent me, called the number and was put on hold for 30 minutes, hung up and called three more times at later dates and always put on hold so I gave up as this was not a toll free number. Can someone tell me what I need to do to get notifications from PayPal when someone pays me? Thanks, Paul From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Mar 23 09:26:50 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:26:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap Message-ID: Sorry for posting this question but the archives don't work. I have a bore of apporximately 2.5 inches. What would the ring end gap need to be? I measured about .016 inches. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Mar 23 07:15:01 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:15:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home In-Reply-To: <50666.199.62.0.252.1111585363.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Nice looking engine. You'll have the model ready for the NAMES expo next month right ;-) Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============= >From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home >Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:42:43 -0600 (CST) > > a dream come true!! > i'm now the new caretaker of this 1906 2HP open crankcase Otto vertical. > he came home last night after a long trip from Nevada. > > pics at: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538 > > Marvin Otto Hedberg > (yes, my middle name really is Otto :-)) > marv in minnesota From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Mar 23 19:55:33 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:55:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] O.T. PayPal E-mail Notifications In-Reply-To: <00d601c53020$369c8040$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <20050324035534.687.qmail@web25007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Paul I have used PayPal within the last few days as a seller. I received the notification you mentioned: "You have received an instant payment from..." Regards Dave --- Paul Maples wrote: > > I use to always get a e-mail notification from PayPal when someone paid me with PayPal. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 23 19:10:05 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:10:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter References: <20050324025837.15212.qmail@web51404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c701c5301f$17754d10$230110ac@PAUL> Larry if you read my last post to Jeff Alan you will note that my greatest fear is drilling off center and going through the hub of the flywheel. I don't have enough empty keyway to use a piece of center drilled keystock for a guide. Also if you will look closely you will note that the tank on the end is bent outwards from me using a gib key puller on it so I no longer have a nice square perpendicular surface to start trying to drill a straight hole. Thanks. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Anger" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > Paul - I have had success every time by drilling and tapping a hole in the > end of the key and using a slide hammer to pull the key. Use as large as > possible size bolt to pull with. Use extreme care to get the hole drilled > in the center of the key. > > Larry Anger. > > Paul Maples wrote: > Ok Gang, as usual I am stuck and need the help and wisdom of all of the > engine czar's. I am working on my little 1-1/2 HP Petter Apple Top engine, > it is 99% complete, runs, but is missing the brass governor shoe that runs > in the governor collar. Roland Craven has graciously offered to make one > for me but he needs the dimensions of the collar that the shoe runs in. I > am was able to get a measurement of the collar on the engine and > determined that from the top to the bottom of the collar there was a .015 > to .020 taper. Roland ask me to remove the collar and have someone true it > up and then send him the dimensions. > > I got the starting dog and governor cover (sauce pan) off fairly easy but > have been working for a week trying to get the gib key out of the flywheel > so I can get to the collar. I have been applying Kroil penetrating oil to > it for over a week. I have an original gib key removal tool and have been > trying it but I am about to clip off the tang on the gib key by applying > so much pressure and it still has not moved. I am about to fire up the > blue wrench but hate to put heat on a flywheel hub. > > I am open to any suggestions to get this key out. Here are some pictures > of the engine and gib key I am working on. > > http://client.webshots.com/photo/303593896/303593896UaQekG > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 23 18:50:42 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:50:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter References: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL> <42422464.609@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <009f01c5301c$4811a2a0$230110ac@PAUL> Jeff this looks great but you had quite a bit of empty keyway to put the square keystock in, I have no empty keyway to put any keystock in. What do you recommend as an alternative way to get the keystock lined up with the gib key so I don't drill off center. I tried to drill out a gib key on a 1-1/2 - 2-1/2 LB engine pulley and it drilled off center and went through the pulley. I sure would hate to drill through the hub. Thanks for info, this is a great way to get one out if you have some extra keyway for the keystock, nice write up and great pictures. Definitely filing this away for future reference. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > Paul, > > Drill it out. Here's the first one I did. > > http://frapa.us/Gib/Gib/Gib.html > > Jeff Allen > > Paul Maples wrote: > >>Ok Gang, as usual I am stuck and need the help and wisdom of all of the >>engine czar's. I am working on my little 1-1/2 HP Petter Apple Top engine, >>it is 99% complete, runs, but is missing the brass governor shoe that runs >>in the governor collar. Roland Craven has graciously offered to make one >>for me but he needs the dimensions of the collar that the shoe runs in. I >>am was able to get a measurement of the collar on the engine and >>determined that from the top to the bottom of the collar there was a .015 >>to .020 taper. Roland ask me to remove the collar and have someone true it >>up and then send him From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 23 20:16:41 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:16:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. PayPal E-mail Notifications References: <20050324035534.687.qmail@web25007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <013201c53028$4ac8dcf0$230110ac@PAUL> That is the notification I am trying to get Dave, I use to get it each time someone paid me with PayPal. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Everett" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. PayPal E-mail Notifications > Hi Paul > > I have used PayPal within the last few days as a seller. I received the > notification you > mentioned: "You have received an instant payment from..." > > Regards > From Bimjy at hotmail.com Wed Mar 23 20:17:29 2005 From: Bimjy at hotmail.com (Jim Hunter) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:17:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home References: <1a8.343b727f.2f734026@aol.com> Message-ID: Wow Marvin, Do you think that if I changed my middle name to Bessemer........................... Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Germoamer at aol.com To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Otto is at his new home In a message dated 3/23/2005 9:13:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, marvhed at ecenet.com writes: << i'm now the new caretaker of this 1906 2HP open crankcase Otto vertical. he came home last night after a long trip from Nevada. >> Marvin Otto, A beautiful engine indeed! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From solarrog at pacbell.net Wed Mar 23 20:30:48 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:30:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. PayPal E-mail Notifications References: <20050324035534.687.qmail@web25007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <013201c53028$4ac8dcf0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <01fd01c5302a$4235d0f0$ea007643@D6R3D961> go to your account and change your preferences Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. PayPal E-mail Notifications > That is the notification I am trying to get Dave, I use to get it each > time someone paid me with PayPal. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Everett" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. PayPal E-mail Notifications > > >> Hi Paul >> >> I have used PayPal within the last few days as a seller. I received the >> notification you >> mentioned: "You have received an instant payment from..." >> >> Regards >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Mar 23 21:06:46 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:06:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap Message-ID: <20050323.210647.428.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Luke. This was taken from a past posting: "About .003-.005" per inch of bore is typically recommended." Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:26:50 +0000 "Luke Tonneberger" writes: > Sorry for posting this question but the archives don't work. I have > a bore > of apporximately 2.5 inches. What would the ring end gap need to > be? I > measured about .016 inches. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > From brock at netspeed.com.au Wed Mar 23 21:41:53 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:41:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin><4241874D.5020104@imc-group.com> <002301c52fec$82701ce0$3084dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002401c53034$303c54a0$5f11fea9@merlin> nah not me i,m an angel some times ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Hay Curt,They are all true!!!!!!!!!!! > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:12 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > >> Brock, >> I was so focused on taking engine and steamer pictures I failed to take >> a picture of the entire grounds. I'd like one if someone did. >> Curt >> P.S. Heard LOTS of wild stories about you at Narracoorte! ....Happy >> Birthday! >> >> Brock Summerfield wrote: >> >> > G,day Curt >> > >> > i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the >> > constuction industry mainly working on roads >> > and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia >> > bigger version of a withes hat >> > we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic >> > PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >> > >> > >> >> Barry, >> >> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all >> >> claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the >> >> Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but there >> >> was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences >> >> were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash against >> >> the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting one >> >> of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT a >> >> requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a >> >> decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that said, >> >> I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz >> >> book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine >> >> legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps local >> >> ordinances could dictate....but laws? >> >> >> >> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their >> >> impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at engines >> >> from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are >> >> to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm guessing >> >> the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres >> >> long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This >> >> arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite difficult >> >> unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who >> >> would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it >> >> yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length of >> >> the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the >> >> compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side >> >> toward the fence. >> >> >> >> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering >> >> down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with >> >> the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not >> >> going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could >> >> get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study >> >> them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange >> >> business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators to >> >> clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From >> >> inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we >> >> were in side shaft heaven! >> >> >> >> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair >> >> of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white bum >> >> showing in public was against the law too ;-) >> >> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than >> >> from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) >> >> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... >> >> Curt Holland >> >> Gastonia, NC >> >> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. >> >> >> >> >> >> Barry Gorman wrote: >> >> >> >>> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , >> >>> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled >> >>> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to >> >>> throw the blame in the wrong direction , >> >>> Regards , >> >>> Barry Gorman >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Mar 23 22:49:45 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:49:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin><4241874D.5020104@imc-group.com><002301c52fec$82701ce0$3084dccb@oemcomputer> <002401c53034$303c54a0$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <000d01c5303d$b3666e20$0301a8c0@Reg> Brock, with the effort you put into the Clarendon event. NOBODY could surpass that!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > nah not me i,m an angel some times > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "edd payne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:08 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > > > Hay Curt,They are all true!!!!!!!!!!! > > EDD PAYNE > > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > > 0263742387 > > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Curt" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:12 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > > > > >> Brock, > >> I was so focused on taking engine and steamer pictures I failed to take > >> a picture of the entire grounds. I'd like one if someone did. > >> Curt > >> P.S. Heard LOTS of wild stories about you at Narracoorte! ....Happy > >> Birthday! > >> > >> Brock Summerfield wrote: > >> > >> > G,day Curt > >> > > >> > i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the > >> > constuction industry mainly working on roads > >> > and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia > >> > bigger version of a withes hat > >> > we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic > >> > PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? > >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" > >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM > >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > >> > > >> > > >> >> Barry, > >> >> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all > >> >> claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the > >> >> Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but there > >> >> was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences > >> >> were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash against > >> >> the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting one > >> >> of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT a > >> >> requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a > >> >> decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that said, > >> >> I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz > >> >> book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine > >> >> legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps local > >> >> ordinances could dictate....but laws? > >> >> > >> >> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their > >> >> impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at engines > >> >> from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are > >> >> to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm guessing > >> >> the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres > >> >> long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This > >> >> arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite difficult > >> >> unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who > >> >> would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it > >> >> yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length of > >> >> the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the > >> >> compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side > >> >> toward the fence. > >> >> > >> >> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering > >> >> down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with > >> >> the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not > >> >> going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could > >> >> get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study > >> >> them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange > >> >> business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators to > >> >> clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From > >> >> inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we > >> >> were in side shaft heaven! > >> >> > >> >> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair > >> >> of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white bum > >> >> showing in public was against the law too ;-) > >> >> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than > >> >> from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) > >> >> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... > >> >> Curt Holland > >> >> Gastonia, NC > >> >> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Barry Gorman wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , > >> >>> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled > >> >>> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to > >> >>> throw the blame in the wrong direction , > >> >>> Regards , > >> >>> Barry Gorman > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed Mar 23 23:21:26 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:21:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin><4241874D.5020104@imc-group.com><002301c52fec$82701ce0$3084dccb@oemcomputer> <002401c53034$303c54a0$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <00ad01c53042$176f1da0$433354d2@Cam> I've never seen that side of you Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > nah not me i,m an angel some times > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "edd payne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:08 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > >> Hay Curt,They are all true!!!!!!!!!!! >> EDD PAYNE >> PO BOX 364 GULGONG >> New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >> 0263742387 >> edsingns at winsoft.net.au >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Curt" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:12 >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >> >> >>> Brock, >>> I was so focused on taking engine and steamer pictures I failed to take >>> a picture of the entire grounds. I'd like one if someone did. >>> Curt >>> P.S. Heard LOTS of wild stories about you at Narracoorte! ....Happy >>> Birthday! >>> >>> Brock Summerfield wrote: >>> >>> > G,day Curt >>> > >>> > i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the >>> > constuction industry mainly working on roads >>> > and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia >>> > bigger version of a withes hat >>> > we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic >>> > PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? >>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" >>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM >>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >>> > >>> > >>> >> Barry, >>> >> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all >>> >> claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the >>> >> Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but there >>> >> was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences >>> >> were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash against >>> >> the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting one >>> >> of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT a >>> >> requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a >>> >> decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that said, >>> >> I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz >>> >> book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine >>> >> legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps local >>> >> ordinances could dictate....but laws? >>> >> >>> >> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their >>> >> impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at engines >>> >> from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are >>> >> to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm guessing >>> >> the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres >>> >> long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This >>> >> arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite difficult >>> >> unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who >>> >> would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it >>> >> yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length of >>> >> the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the >>> >> compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side >>> >> toward the fence. >>> >> >>> >> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering >>> >> down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with >>> >> the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not >>> >> going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could >>> >> get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study >>> >> them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange >>> >> business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators to >>> >> clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From >>> >> inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we >>> >> were in side shaft heaven! >>> >> >>> >> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair >>> >> of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white bum >>> >> showing in public was against the law too ;-) >>> >> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than >>> >> from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) >>> >> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... >>> >> Curt Holland >>> >> Gastonia, NC >>> >> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Barry Gorman wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , >>> >>> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled >>> >>> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to >>> >>> throw the blame in the wrong direction , >>> >>> Regards , >>> >>> Barry Gorman >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> SEL mailing list >>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SEL mailing list >>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> > >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed Mar 23 23:26:17 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:26:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin><4241874D.5020104@imc-group.com><002301c52fec$82701ce0$3084dccb@oemcomputer> <002401c53034$303c54a0$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <00bf01c53042$c4feb9d0$433354d2@Cam> Kaptain Kaos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > nah not me i,m an angel some times > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "edd payne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:08 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > >> Hay Curt,They are all true!!!!!!!!!!! >> EDD PAYNE >> PO BOX 364 GULGONG >> New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >> 0263742387 >> edsingns at winsoft.net.au >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Curt" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:12 >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >> >> >>> Brock, >>> I was so focused on taking engine and steamer pictures I failed to take >>> a picture of the entire grounds. I'd like one if someone did. >>> Curt >>> P.S. Heard LOTS of wild stories about you at Narracoorte! ....Happy >>> Birthday! >>> >>> Brock Summerfield wrote: >>> >>> > G,day Curt >>> > >>> > i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the >>> > constuction industry mainly working on roads >>> > and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia >>> > bigger version of a withes hat >>> > we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic >>> > PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? >>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" >>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM >>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >>> > >>> > >>> >> Barry, >>> >> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all >>> >> claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the >>> >> Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but there >>> >> was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences >>> >> were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash against >>> >> the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting one >>> >> of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT a >>> >> requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a >>> >> decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that said, >>> >> I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz >>> >> book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine >>> >> legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps local >>> >> ordinances could dictate....but laws? >>> >> >>> >> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their >>> >> impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at engines >>> >> from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are >>> >> to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm guessing >>> >> the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres >>> >> long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This >>> >> arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite difficult >>> >> unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who >>> >> would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it >>> >> yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length of >>> >> the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the >>> >> compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side >>> >> toward the fence. >>> >> >>> >> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering >>> >> down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with >>> >> the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not >>> >> going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could >>> >> get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study >>> >> them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange >>> >> business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators to >>> >> clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From >>> >> inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we >>> >> were in side shaft heaven! >>> >> >>> >> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair >>> >> of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white bum >>> >> showing in public was against the law too ;-) >>> >> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than >>> >> from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) >>> >> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... >>> >> Curt Holland >>> >> Gastonia, NC >>> >> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Barry Gorman wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , >>> >>> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled >>> >>> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to >>> >>> throw the blame in the wrong direction , >>> >>> Regards , >>> >>> Barry Gorman >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> SEL mailing list >>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SEL mailing list >>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> > >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brock at netspeed.com.au Wed Mar 23 23:39:12 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:39:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin><4241874D.5020104@imc-group.com><002301c52fec$82701ce0$3084dccb@oemcomputer><002401c53034$303c54a0$5f11fea9@merlin> <00ad01c53042$176f1da0$433354d2@Cam> Message-ID: <005d01c53044$9491a710$5f11fea9@merlin> the security gaurd at the sydney rally seen all sides . ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > I've never seen that side of you Brock > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brock Summerfield" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:41 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > >> nah not me i,m an angel some times >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "edd payne" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >> >> >>> Hay Curt,They are all true!!!!!!!!!!! >>> EDD PAYNE >>> PO BOX 364 GULGONG >>> New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >>> 0263742387 >>> edsingns at winsoft.net.au >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Curt" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:12 >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >>> >>> >>>> Brock, >>>> I was so focused on taking engine and steamer pictures I failed to take >>>> a picture of the entire grounds. I'd like one if someone did. >>>> Curt >>>> P.S. Heard LOTS of wild stories about you at Narracoorte! ....Happy >>>> Birthday! >>>> >>>> Brock Summerfield wrote: >>>> >>>> > G,day Curt >>>> > >>>> > i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the >>>> > constuction industry mainly working on roads >>>> > and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia >>>> > bigger version of a withes hat >>>> > we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic >>>> > PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" >>>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM >>>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> Barry, >>>> >> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all >>>> >> claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the >>>> >> Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but >>>> >> there >>>> >> was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences >>>> >> were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash against >>>> >> the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting >>>> >> one >>>> >> of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT a >>>> >> requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a >>>> >> decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that said, >>>> >> I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz >>>> >> book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine >>>> >> legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps >>>> >> local >>>> >> ordinances could dictate....but laws? >>>> >> >>>> >> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their >>>> >> impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at engines >>>> >> from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are >>>> >> to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm >>>> >> guessing >>>> >> the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres >>>> >> long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This >>>> >> arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite difficult >>>> >> unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who >>>> >> would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it >>>> >> yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length of >>>> >> the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the >>>> >> compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side >>>> >> toward the fence. >>>> >> >>>> >> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering >>>> >> down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with >>>> >> the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not >>>> >> going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could >>>> >> get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study >>>> >> them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange >>>> >> business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators >>>> >> to >>>> >> clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From >>>> >> inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we >>>> >> were in side shaft heaven! >>>> >> >>>> >> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new >>>> >> pair >>>> >> of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white >>>> >> bum >>>> >> showing in public was against the law too ;-) >>>> >> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than >>>> >> from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) >>>> >> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... >>>> >> Curt Holland >>>> >> Gastonia, NC >>>> >> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Barry Gorman wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , >>>> >>> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled >>>> >>> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to >>>> >>> throw the blame in the wrong direction , >>>> >>> Regards , >>>> >>> Barry Gorman >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> SEL mailing list >>>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > SEL mailing list >>>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From brock at netspeed.com.au Wed Mar 23 23:43:50 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:43:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin><4241874D.5020104@imc-group.com><002301c52fec$82701ce0$3084dccb@oemcomputer><002401c53034$303c54a0$5f11fea9@merlin> <000d01c5303d$b3666e20$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <006d01c53045$3a405b20$5f11fea9@merlin> The best thing is i dont remember a thing ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Brock, with the effort you put into the Clarendon event. > NOBODY could surpass that!!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brock Summerfield" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:41 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > >> nah not me i,m an angel some times >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "edd payne" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >> >> >> > Hay Curt,They are all true!!!!!!!!!!! >> > EDD PAYNE >> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG >> > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >> > 0263742387 >> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Curt" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:12 >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >> > >> > >> >> Brock, >> >> I was so focused on taking engine and steamer pictures I failed to >> >> take >> >> a picture of the entire grounds. I'd like one if someone did. >> >> Curt >> >> P.S. Heard LOTS of wild stories about you at Narracoorte! ....Happy >> >> Birthday! >> >> >> >> Brock Summerfield wrote: >> >> >> >> > G,day Curt >> >> > >> >> > i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the >> >> > constuction industry mainly working on roads >> >> > and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia >> >> > bigger version of a withes hat >> >> > we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic >> >> > PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" >> >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> > >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM >> >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Barry, >> >> >> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all >> >> >> claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the >> >> >> Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but > there >> >> >> was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences >> >> >> were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash >> >> >> against >> >> >> the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting > one >> >> >> of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT >> >> >> a >> >> >> requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a >> >> >> decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that >> >> >> said, >> >> >> I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz >> >> >> book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine >> >> >> legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps > local >> >> >> ordinances could dictate....but laws? >> >> >> >> >> >> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their >> >> >> impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at >> >> >> engines >> >> >> from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are >> >> >> to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm > guessing >> >> >> the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred >> >> >> metres >> >> >> long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This >> >> >> arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite >> >> >> difficult >> >> >> unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who >> >> >> would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it >> >> >> yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length >> >> >> of >> >> >> the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the >> >> >> compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side >> >> >> toward the fence. >> >> >> >> >> >> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering >> >> >> down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with >> >> >> the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not >> >> >> going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could >> >> >> get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study >> >> >> them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange >> >> >> business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators > to >> >> >> clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From >> >> >> inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we >> >> >> were in side shaft heaven! >> >> >> >> >> >> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new > pair >> >> >> of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white > bum >> >> >> showing in public was against the law too ;-) >> >> >> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than >> >> >> from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) >> >> >> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... >> >> >> Curt Holland >> >> >> Gastonia, NC >> >> >> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barry Gorman wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , >> >> >>> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled >> >> >>> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to >> >> >>> throw the blame in the wrong direction , >> >> >>> Regards , >> >> >>> Barry Gorman >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > SEL mailing list >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 23:44:21 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:44:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com> <6f60251605032315454bfa8cf0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160503232344623dac53@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:02:31 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > What attribute should I change them to and can I do that in bulk? > > Thanks much Peter > RickinMt. Go to the folder of the copied files, click on one file (not double-click) so the name is highlighted, then Ctrl-A (Conbtrol-A) to select all files, then right-click on any file while they are all highlighted. That will bring up a dialogue (dialog) box, at the bottom of which should be the attributes. Untick the 'read-only' box and then click 'Apply'. If there are any subdirectories in there you will be asked 'for this folder or all folders' or something like that, you need to select all folders. That should clear the Read-Only attribute and enable the files to be edited. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Mickc at vic.australis.com.au Wed Mar 23 23:45:24 2005 From: Mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:45:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin><4241874D.5020104@imc-group.com><002301c52fec$82701ce0$3084dccb@oemcomputer><002401c53034$303c54a0$5f11fea9@merlin> <000d01c5303d$b3666e20$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <002e01c53045$710ad860$9faf57ca@n> Gee i thought wild animals would have to be tied up especially that one that run a muck at the Claredon rally!!! Cheers Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Brock, with the effort you put into the Clarendon event. > NOBODY could surpass that!!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brock Summerfield" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:41 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > >> nah not me i,m an angel some times >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "edd payne" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >> >> >> > Hay Curt,They are all true!!!!!!!!!!! >> > EDD PAYNE >> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG >> > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >> > 0263742387 >> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Curt" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:12 >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >> > >> > >> >> Brock, >> >> I was so focused on taking engine and steamer pictures I failed to >> >> take >> >> a picture of the entire grounds. I'd like one if someone did. >> >> Curt >> >> P.S. Heard LOTS of wild stories about you at Narracoorte! ....Happy >> >> Birthday! >> >> >> >> Brock Summerfield wrote: >> >> >> >> > G,day Curt >> >> > >> >> > i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the >> >> > constuction industry mainly working on roads >> >> > and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia >> >> > bigger version of a withes hat >> >> > we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic >> >> > PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" >> >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> > >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM >> >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Barry, >> >> >> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all >> >> >> claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the >> >> >> Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but > there >> >> >> was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences >> >> >> were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash >> >> >> against >> >> >> the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting > one >> >> >> of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT >> >> >> a >> >> >> requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a >> >> >> decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that >> >> >> said, >> >> >> I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz >> >> >> book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine >> >> >> legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps > local >> >> >> ordinances could dictate....but laws? >> >> >> >> >> >> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their >> >> >> impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at >> >> >> engines >> >> >> from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are >> >> >> to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm > guessing >> >> >> the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred >> >> >> metres >> >> >> long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This >> >> >> arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite >> >> >> difficult >> >> >> unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who >> >> >> would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it >> >> >> yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length >> >> >> of >> >> >> the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the >> >> >> compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side >> >> >> toward the fence. >> >> >> >> >> >> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering >> >> >> down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with >> >> >> the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not >> >> >> going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could >> >> >> get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study >> >> >> them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange >> >> >> business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators > to >> >> >> clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From >> >> >> inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we >> >> >> were in side shaft heaven! >> >> >> >> >> >> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new > pair >> >> >> of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white > bum >> >> >> showing in public was against the law too ;-) >> >> >> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than >> >> >> from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) >> >> >> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... >> >> >> Curt Holland >> >> >> Gastonia, NC >> >> >> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barry Gorman wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , >> >> >>> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled >> >> >>> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to >> >> >>> throw the blame in the wrong direction , >> >> >>> Regards , >> >> >>> Barry Gorman >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > SEL mailing list >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 23:48:37 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:48:37 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP In-Reply-To: <200503240039.j2O0dcJN088496@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <6f60251605032315122518abe1@mail.gmail.com> <200503240039.j2O0dcJN088496@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050323234847e587a0@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:39:02 -0600, Bill Dickerson wrote: > W2K is more stable IMHO. XP is fine, but has its own issues. > When you start adding bells and whistles, it takes more code, more > horsepower, and leads to instabilities. > Alas, progress - and the 'dumbing-down' of operating systems for the > masses.......... > > Bill Yes, we much prefer Win2kPro and have seven machines running it without any issues. I don't quite see why Microsoft introduced XP when they had a pretty good system in Win2kPro, but there are future licensing matters that are going to be a possible problem for XP users eventually if they get their way, and Win2kpro will probably be dropped after a few more years. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From solarrog at pacbell.net Thu Mar 24 00:24:23 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:24:23 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin><4241874D.5020104@imc-group.com><002301c52fec$82701ce0$3084dccb@oemcomputer><002401c53034$303c54a0$5f11fea9@merlin><00ad01c53042$176f1da0$433354d2@Cam> <005d01c53044$9491a710$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <000901c5304a$e37a6690$ea007643@D6R3D961> R.E. Dogs, I love dogs, but the last swap meet I was at 2 weeks ago smelled like dog crap something awful. It was really bad over near the coffee and snacks, We would like to believe people will do the right thing, but often they do not, Step in it and its the gift that keeps on giving all the way home. Im not looking down for you dog mines. so clean the dam things up. Or before you know it they will be banned. This is your heads up!. (or down as needed) Please note all dogs eat, the means all dogs P*** Just dont make it a poor experience for the rest of us. Remember you dog loves you, but would bite the hell out of us if he thought it was called for. right or wrong. Nobody would be happy with the end result. I also bet half of you do not have insurance to cover dog events. and Im not talking about dog mines. Make it nice for the rest of us also. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > the security gaurd at the sydney rally seen all sides . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cam grundy" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > >> I've never seen that side of you Brock >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brock Summerfield" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >> >> >>> nah not me i,m an angel some times >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "edd payne" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:08 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >>> >>> >>>> Hay Curt,They are all true!!!!!!!!!!! >>>> EDD PAYNE >>>> PO BOX 364 GULGONG >>>> New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >>>> 0263742387 >>>> edsingns at winsoft.net.au >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Curt" >>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:12 >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Brock, >>>>> I was so focused on taking engine and steamer pictures I failed to >>>>> take >>>>> a picture of the entire grounds. I'd like one if someone did. >>>>> Curt >>>>> P.S. Heard LOTS of wild stories about you at Narracoorte! ....Happy >>>>> Birthday! >>>>> >>>>> Brock Summerfield wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > G,day Curt >>>>> > >>>>> > i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the >>>>> > constuction industry mainly working on roads >>>>> > and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia >>>>> > bigger version of a withes hat >>>>> > we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic >>>>> > PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? >>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" >>>>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>>> > >>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM >>>>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >> Barry, >>>>> >> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all >>>>> >> claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the >>>>> >> Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but >>>>> >> there >>>>> >> was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences >>>>> >> were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash >>>>> >> against >>>>> >> the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting >>>>> >> one >>>>> >> of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT >>>>> >> a >>>>> >> requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a >>>>> >> decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that >>>>> >> said, >>>>> >> I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz >>>>> >> book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine >>>>> >> legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps >>>>> >> local >>>>> >> ordinances could dictate....but laws? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their >>>>> >> impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at >>>>> >> engines >>>>> >> from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are >>>>> >> to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm >>>>> >> guessing >>>>> >> the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred >>>>> >> metres >>>>> >> long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This >>>>> >> arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite >>>>> >> difficult >>>>> >> unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who >>>>> >> would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it >>>>> >> yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length >>>>> >> of >>>>> >> the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the >>>>> >> compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side >>>>> >> toward the fence. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering >>>>> >> down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with >>>>> >> the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not >>>>> >> going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could >>>>> >> get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study >>>>> >> them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange >>>>> >> business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators >>>>> >> to >>>>> >> clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From >>>>> >> inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we >>>>> >> were in side shaft heaven! >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new >>>>> >> pair >>>>> >> of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white >>>>> >> bum >>>>> >> showing in public was against the law too ;-) >>>>> >> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than >>>>> >> from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) >>>>> >> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... >>>>> >> Curt Holland >>>>> >> Gastonia, NC >>>>> >> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Barry Gorman wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , >>>>> >>> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled >>>>> >>> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to >>>>> >>> throw the blame in the wrong direction , >>>>> >>> Regards , >>>>> >>> Barry Gorman >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> SEL mailing list >>>>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > SEL mailing list >>>>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Mar 24 01:48:59 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:48:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin><4241874D.5020104@imc-group.com><002301c52fec$82701ce0$3084dccb@oemcomputer><002401c53034$303c54a0$5f11fea9@merlin><00ad01c53042$176f1da0$433354d2@Cam> <005d01c53044$9491a710$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <00e601c53056$b4a96c10$433354d2@Cam> I'll bet she will be around early next year, I think she loves you. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > the security gaurd at the sydney rally seen all sides . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cam grundy" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > >> I've never seen that side of you Brock >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brock Summerfield" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >> >> >>> nah not me i,m an angel some times >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "edd payne" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:08 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >>> >>> >>>> Hay Curt,They are all true!!!!!!!!!!! >>>> EDD PAYNE >>>> PO BOX 364 GULGONG >>>> New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >>>> 0263742387 >>>> edsingns at winsoft.net.au >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Curt" >>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:12 >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Brock, >>>>> I was so focused on taking engine and steamer pictures I failed to >>>>> take >>>>> a picture of the entire grounds. I'd like one if someone did. >>>>> Curt >>>>> P.S. Heard LOTS of wild stories about you at Narracoorte! ....Happy >>>>> Birthday! >>>>> >>>>> Brock Summerfield wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > G,day Curt >>>>> > >>>>> > i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the >>>>> > constuction industry mainly working on roads >>>>> > and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia >>>>> > bigger version of a withes hat >>>>> > we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic >>>>> > PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? >>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" >>>>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>>> > >>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM >>>>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >> Barry, >>>>> >> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all >>>>> >> claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the >>>>> >> Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but >>>>> >> there >>>>> >> was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences >>>>> >> were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash >>>>> >> against >>>>> >> the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting >>>>> >> one >>>>> >> of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT >>>>> >> a >>>>> >> requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a >>>>> >> decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that >>>>> >> said, >>>>> >> I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz >>>>> >> book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine >>>>> >> legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps >>>>> >> local >>>>> >> ordinances could dictate....but laws? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their >>>>> >> impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at >>>>> >> engines >>>>> >> from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are >>>>> >> to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm >>>>> >> guessing >>>>> >> the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred >>>>> >> metres >>>>> >> long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This >>>>> >> arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite >>>>> >> difficult >>>>> >> unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who >>>>> >> would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it >>>>> >> yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length >>>>> >> of >>>>> >> the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the >>>>> >> compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side >>>>> >> toward the fence. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering >>>>> >> down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with >>>>> >> the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not >>>>> >> going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could >>>>> >> get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study >>>>> >> them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange >>>>> >> business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators >>>>> >> to >>>>> >> clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From >>>>> >> inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we >>>>> >> were in side shaft heaven! >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new >>>>> >> pair >>>>> >> of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white >>>>> >> bum >>>>> >> showing in public was against the law too ;-) >>>>> >> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than >>>>> >> from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) >>>>> >> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... >>>>> >> Curt Holland >>>>> >> Gastonia, NC >>>>> >> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Barry Gorman wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , >>>>> >>> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled >>>>> >>> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to >>>>> >>> throw the blame in the wrong direction , >>>>> >>> Regards , >>>>> >>> Barry Gorman >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> SEL mailing list >>>>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > SEL mailing list >>>>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 24 02:34:35 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:34:35 -0000 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" References: <20050324015215.42485.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c5305d$1413f070$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" > Right you are Rick, > Plus you can have the belt on the loose pulley for engine starting. > I have a very nice old power hacksaw. > It was built to be powered by an overhead line shaft. > You flip a lever to move the belt from the loose pulley onto the locked one. The saw starts > cutting. When the saw cuts through,,, the frame hits a lever that moves a rod that comes around > and moves the belt back onto the loose wheel. > And here I thought that switch was such a handy thing on my electric metal cutting band saw. They > HAD to put that switch there to make it do what the old timers did mechanically. 8>)) > Alan Bowen Hi Alan, I took the following pictures about 20 years ago in a derelict cycle repair shop. I bought all the machine tools but couldn't access the motor & shafting. Sorry the pictures have deteriated over the years. See http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/303878124sNtrFH http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/303884342KxBWkW http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/303884364vcBeYh Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Mar 24 02:43:21 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:43:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin><4241874D.5020104@imc-group.com><002301c52fec$82701ce0$3084dccb@oemcomputer><002401c53034$303c54a0$5f11fea9@merlin><00ad01c53042$176f1da0$433354d2@Cam><005d01c53044$9491a710$5f11fea9@merlin> <00e601c53056$b4a96c10$433354d2@Cam> Message-ID: <002e01c5305e$4f6e1280$0301a8c0@Reg> One thing for sure, she aint ever seen the like before!!! (She told me!!) Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > I'll bet she will be around early next year, I think she loves you. Cam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brock Summerfield" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > > > the security gaurd at the sydney rally seen all sides . > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "cam grundy" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > > > > >> I've never seen that side of you Brock > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Brock Summerfield" > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:41 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > >> > >> > >>> nah not me i,m an angel some times > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "edd payne" > >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:08 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > >>> > >>> > >>>> Hay Curt,They are all true!!!!!!!!!!! > >>>> EDD PAYNE > >>>> PO BOX 364 GULGONG > >>>> New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > >>>> 0263742387 > >>>> edsingns at winsoft.net.au > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Curt" > >>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:12 > >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Brock, > >>>>> I was so focused on taking engine and steamer pictures I failed to > >>>>> take > >>>>> a picture of the entire grounds. I'd like one if someone did. > >>>>> Curt > >>>>> P.S. Heard LOTS of wild stories about you at Narracoorte! ....Happy > >>>>> Birthday! > >>>>> > >>>>> Brock Summerfield wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > G,day Curt > >>>>> > > >>>>> > i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the > >>>>> > constuction industry mainly working on roads > >>>>> > and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia > >>>>> > bigger version of a withes hat > >>>>> > we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic > >>>>> > PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? > >>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" > >>>>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM > >>>>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> >> Barry, > >>>>> >> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all > >>>>> >> claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the > >>>>> >> Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but > >>>>> >> there > >>>>> >> was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences > >>>>> >> were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash > >>>>> >> against > >>>>> >> the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting > >>>>> >> one > >>>>> >> of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT > >>>>> >> a > >>>>> >> requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a > >>>>> >> decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that > >>>>> >> said, > >>>>> >> I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz > >>>>> >> book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine > >>>>> >> legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps > >>>>> >> local > >>>>> >> ordinances could dictate....but laws? > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their > >>>>> >> impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at > >>>>> >> engines > >>>>> >> from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are > >>>>> >> to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm > >>>>> >> guessing > >>>>> >> the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred > >>>>> >> metres > >>>>> >> long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This > >>>>> >> arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite > >>>>> >> difficult > >>>>> >> unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who > >>>>> >> would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it > >>>>> >> yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length > >>>>> >> of > >>>>> >> the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the > >>>>> >> compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side > >>>>> >> toward the fence. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering > >>>>> >> down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with > >>>>> >> the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not > >>>>> >> going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could > >>>>> >> get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study > >>>>> >> them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange > >>>>> >> business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators > >>>>> >> to > >>>>> >> clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From > >>>>> >> inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we > >>>>> >> were in side shaft heaven! > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new > >>>>> >> pair > >>>>> >> of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white > >>>>> >> bum > >>>>> >> showing in public was against the law too ;-) > >>>>> >> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than > >>>>> >> from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) > >>>>> >> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... > >>>>> >> Curt Holland > >>>>> >> Gastonia, NC > >>>>> >> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> Barry Gorman wrote: > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >>> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , > >>>>> >>> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled > >>>>> >>> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to > >>>>> >>> throw the blame in the wrong direction , > >>>>> >>> Regards , > >>>>> >>> Barry Gorman > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> >> SEL mailing list > >>>>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>>> > SEL mailing list > >>>>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> SEL mailing list > >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> SEL mailing list > >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SEL mailing list > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Mar 24 04:15:55 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:15:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: <20050323.210647.428.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Thanks Ron. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ====================== >From: rdhaskell at juno.com > >"About .003-.005" per inch of bore is typically recommended." > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 24 04:21:41 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:21:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP References: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com><6f60251605032315454bfa8cf0@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160503232344623dac53@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you Peter. I'm a learnin' RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP > On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:02:31 -0700, Richard Strobel > wrote: > > What attribute should I change them to and can I do that in bulk? > > > > Thanks much Peter > > RickinMt. > > Go to the folder of the copied files, click on one file (not > double-click) so the name is highlighted, then Ctrl-A (Conbtrol-A) to > select all files, then right-click on any file while they are all > highlighted. > > That will bring up a dialogue (dialog) box, at the bottom of which > should be the attributes. Untick the 'read-only' box and then click > 'Apply'. If there are any subdirectories in there you will be asked > 'for this folder or all folders' or something like that, you need to > select all folders. > > That should clear the Read-Only attribute and enable the files to be > edited. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 04:46:18 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:46:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com> <6f60251605032315454bfa8cf0@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160503232344623dac53@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605032404467b39aebc@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:21:41 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > Thank you Peter. I'm a learnin' > > RickinMt. No problem, we've been there...:-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Thu Mar 24 05:02:06 2005 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:02:06 EST Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. Message-ID: <1c7.24ffe105.2f74144e@aol.com> >From one who was at the Friday night meeting right to the end. The insurance rep stated that the insurer put no restrictions at all on rallys and that they would cover our negligence. The NHMA imposed the rules or guidlines through a sytem of risk management ( which is the buzz word for all things in this modern era). However if there should be a claim in the future due to negligence then the premiums paid by the clubs and individuals would reflect this but would not necessarily preclude us from being insured. Could the Yanks please explain there system of public liability insurance , I have been told that it is paid individually along with house insurance is that so? Everybody seems to be an expert on what happens in Oz lets here from the rest of the world Woody Peter Woodmore 27 Craig Ave Moorebank 2170 NSW Australia From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 24 05:14:55 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:14:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP References: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com><6f60251605032315454bfa8cf0@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160503232344623dac53@mail.gmail.com> <6f60251605032404467b39aebc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter, the only choices I get are "hidden" and "read only." Help..lost again..what should I pick? RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:21:41 -0700, Richard Strobel > wrote: > > Thank you Peter. I'm a learnin' > > > > RickinMt. > > No problem, we've been there...:-)) > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Wed Mar 23 20:57:21 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:57:21 +0800 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" In-Reply-To: References: <66.53846661.2f7306a3@aol.com> <424204CB.4080209@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <424248B1.4060706@optusnet.com.au> Richard Strobel wrote: >Thats the way I would think it would work also. Thanks Jack!! It will be >fun playing with the setup when we get her going. > >later, >RickinMt. > > > > >>With most of the fast & loose pulley systems I've seen (and used!), the >>fast and loose pulleys were crowned but there was no crowning on the >>double-width driver. >>The shifting-gear (usually overhead and actuated by either a long lever >>or a rope) has guides to push the belt sideways as required, but is not >>required to act as an alignment device. In fact, when properly set up, >>the guides stand clear of the edges of the belt except when shifting the >>belt across. >> >>Jack in Oz >> >> >> >> ******** I forgot to mention in my previous that the crowning on the two adjacent driven pulleys gives an almost servo-mechanism type action. When the striking gear is engaged to nudge the belt off whichever driven pulley it is on at the time, an action similar to over-centre action occurs, the belt slips across to climb the adjacent pulley's crown. In other words, it is not brute force pushing the belt across. Of course, the inertia of the driven machine may require you to hold pressure on for a few moments while it winds up. (I can just hear my grandkids now - "Tell is some more yarns about the olden days, Grandad!) Jack in Oz ******* From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 05:56:21 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:56:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com> <6f60251605032315454bfa8cf0@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160503232344623dac53@mail.gmail.com> <6f60251605032404467b39aebc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050324055623af6728@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:14:55 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > Peter, the only choices I get are "hidden" and "read only." > > Help..lost again..what should I pick? > > RickinMt. OK, in that case they are already editable. Try and open a picture file and edit the picture, if it is Read-Only you won't be able to save it. If it saves after any changes, it's NOT a Read-Only file. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 24 05:57:06 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:57:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap References: <20050323.210647.428.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <002401c53079$5dc38d40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Hi Luke. > This was taken from a past posting: > > "About .003-.005" per inch of bore is typically recommended." but 4 rhymes with bore From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Mar 24 06:34:41 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:34:41 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <1c7.24ffe105.2f74144e@aol.com> Message-ID: <002301c5307e$a17f8a70$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Peter, Here in The Netherlands it's very simple. The club or organizers of a show are insured for the grounds, like buildings, decorating stuff, flag poles etc etc. The members are insured for there stuff, exploding engines, flying flywheels etc etc. cost me $35 for the year and it doesn't matter how many engines or tractors I have or bring to the show. Spectators that stick there hand in a spinning flywheel is a pitty, but it's their own fault. Of course we as members watching the people what they are doing especial the kids. We have only a rope along the lanes and the experience is that spectators stay at their side and only a few real interested people come over the rope and mostly with permission of a member. Some members bring dogs, but they are all trained, no sniffing on gas cans, hot mufflers or spinning flywheels :o)) and you don't find droppings, there is a special piece of grass at the outside of the grounds. Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > >From one who was at the Friday night meeting right to the end. > The insurance rep stated that the insurer put no restrictions at all on > rallys and that they would cover our negligence. The NHMA imposed the rules or > guidlines through a sytem of risk management ( which is the buzz word for all > things in this modern era). > However if there should be a claim in the future due to negligence then the > premiums paid by the clubs and individuals would reflect this but would not > necessarily preclude us from being insured. > Could the Yanks please explain there system of public liability insurance , I > have been told that it is paid individually along with house insurance is > that so? Everybody seems to be an expert on what happens in Oz lets here from the > rest of the world > > > Woody > > Peter Woodmore > 27 Craig Ave > Moorebank > 2170 > NSW > Australia > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 24 06:46:00 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:46:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP References: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com><6f60251605032315454bfa8cf0@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160503232344623dac53@mail.gmail.com><6f60251605032404467b39aebc@mail.gmail.com> <6f602516050324055623af6728@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ok thanks again!! Rick in 8" of snow and 18 above..ouch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:14:55 -0700, Richard Strobel > wrote: > > Peter, the only choices I get are "hidden" and "read only." > > > > Help..lost again..what should I pick? > > > > RickinMt. > > OK, in that case they are already editable. Try and open a picture > file and edit the picture, if it is Read-Only you won't be able to > save it. If it saves after any changes, it's NOT a Read-Only file. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 24 06:51:31 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:51:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" References: <66.53846661.2f7306a3@aol.com> <424204CB.4080209@optusnet.com.au> <424248B1.4060706@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: I only hope us baby boomers can carry on the old yarn tradition. They are fantastic!! Rick > (I can just hear my grandkids now - "Tell is some more yarns about the > olden days, Grandad!) > > Jack in Oz > ******* > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Mar 24 06:59:56 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:59:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <1c7.24ffe105.2f74144e@aol.com> References: <1c7.24ffe105.2f74144e@aol.com> Message-ID: <4242D5EC.4050701@imc-group.com> Peter, In the States there are no federal laws saying that a public event has to be covered by liability insurance. To my knowledge there are no states with such laws in place either. In fact some states have passed laws stating that for many public events, the organizers cannot be held liable for injuries. In particular equestrian events. In the States as a club (or an individual) you would be free to put on an event without liability insurance. You are free to take your chances that no one will be injured. You are free to take your chances that if someone is injured they will not sue you. You are free to take your chances that if you are sued, the jury will not award damages to the injured, for which you or the club would be responsible. In my opinion, for any public event of any significant size one would be nuts to assume such risk, but none the less you are FREE to make that decision. Once one decides he needs to insure his public event, he contacts several private insurance companies and requests quotes to provide liability insurance. The one buying the insurance decides how much insurance they wish to buy. If they want they can buy as little as $100,000 of insurance. I'd venture a guess that many buy $1 million dollar policies. For certain the agents selling the insurance know nothing about the hobby and you will never see an insurance booth set up at a show. They really don't care. They are simply assuming a risk for public injury for a specific period of time, independent of the event. It could be a concert, a car show, an engine show, etc. The only hiccup was a few years ago after the Medina, OH steam traction engine explosion. It was nearly impossible to purchase liability insurance for the first couple of years after that accident if you were going to have steam at your show. Now that all states are up to snuff and have annual boiler inspections in place, the insurance companies are beginning to insure shows that have steam again. What I gather has happened in Oz is that the insurance conglomerate has lobbied your legislature to put into place laws that demand liability insurance for all public events. Whether or not this was the best thing for Oz is yet to be determined, but it is undeniable that it is a collusive effort to extract dollars from each and every person, and to spread the results of law suits amongst the entire populous. But that is the essence of socialism isn't it! Mind you this is not a slight against Oz. My observations of the wonderful people of Oz is that everyone seems happy and content. However, to someone with the _freedom_ to make the choice about insurance, your system seems intrusive, coercive, and imposing. Everyone in Oz shrugs this off saying it is only $15 a year, so what! It works for you. It is simply a different system. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Peterwoodmore at aol.com wrote: >>From one who was at the Friday night meeting right to the end. >The insurance rep stated that the insurer put no restrictions at all on >rallys and that they would cover our negligence. The NHMA imposed the rules or >guidlines through a sytem of risk management ( which is the buzz word for all >things in this modern era). >However if there should be a claim in the future due to negligence then the >premiums paid by the clubs and individuals would reflect this but would not >necessarily preclude us from being insured. >Could the Yanks please explain there system of public liability insurance , I >have been told that it is paid individually along with house insurance is >that so? Everybody seems to be an expert on what happens in Oz lets here from the >rest of the world > > >Woody > >Peter Woodmore >27 Craig Ave >Moorebank >2170 >NSW >Australia >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Thu Mar 24 07:13:34 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:13:34 -0800 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" References: <20050324015215.42485.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000401c5305d$1413f070$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <003201c53084$0da4d610$6bd40304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Dave, Thanks for the pictures, really interesting. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Bowen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:52 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" > > >> Right you are Rick, >> Plus you can have the belt on the loose pulley for engine starting. >> I have a very nice old power hacksaw. >> It was built to be powered by an overhead line shaft. >> You flip a lever to move the belt from the loose pulley onto the locked >> one. The saw starts >> cutting. When the saw cuts through,,, the frame hits a lever that moves >> a rod that comes around >> and moves the belt back onto the loose wheel. >> And here I thought that switch was such a handy thing on my electric >> metal cutting band saw. They >> HAD to put that switch there to make it do what the old timers did >> mechanically. 8>)) >> Alan Bowen > > Hi Alan, I took the following pictures about 20 years ago in a derelict > cycle repair shop. > I bought all the machine tools but couldn't access the motor & shafting. > Sorry the pictures have deteriated over the years. > See > http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/303878124sNtrFH > http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/303884342KxBWkW > http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/303884364vcBeYh > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Mar 24 07:17:30 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:17:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <00c901c52ffa$b409d580$88a2fea9@adsl> References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <42418F9D.5040206@imc-group.com> <00c901c52ffa$b409d580$88a2fea9@adsl> Message-ID: <4242DA0A.8020603@imc-group.com> Steven, Who paid for the fence and posts? Curt Steven N Kitto wrote: >Curt >The only cost to the club for the erection of the compounds was the labour >in putting them up and taking them down. And that was volunteered. > >A member of the public said to me on the Saturday that he was pleased with >the fences around the compounds because it was safe to let his children >wander to see the engines etc, without the fear of them getting tangled in >the machines. Worth passing on. > >Steve and Denise Kitto >4 Fifth Ave >Naracoorte >South Australia >Ph 08 87621147 > > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 07:25:23 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:25:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com> <6f60251605032315454bfa8cf0@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160503232344623dac53@mail.gmail.com> <6f60251605032404467b39aebc@mail.gmail.com> <6f602516050324055623af6728@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050324072570c9f7dc@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:46:00 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > Ok thanks again!! > Rick in 8" of snow and 18 above..ouch Sunny and about 16 degrees (Centigrade or 61 Degrees Fahrenheit) here..... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From curt at imc-group.com Thu Mar 24 07:31:05 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:31:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter In-Reply-To: <009f01c5301c$4811a2a0$230110ac@PAUL> References: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL> <42422464.609@earthlink.net> <009f01c5301c$4811a2a0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <4242DD39.9070203@imc-group.com> Paul, It is a little hard to see the picture details, but since you have no keyway to guide with perhaps another guide could be fabricated. It looks like you have about an 1-1/2 of shaft sticking out. You could take a piece of round stock maybe 4" long and bore it down the length for a tight slip fit over the exposed shaft. From the end mill a slot the width of your gib key and as deep as the key protrudes from the hub. Then drill your guide hole down the length of the round stock, the correct distance off centerline such that it will meet centerline of the gib key. Keep in mind the .010/inch taper so that when you get in deep in the gib key you are not breaking into the flywheel taper. Curt Paul Maples wrote: > Jeff this looks great but you had quite a bit of empty keyway to put > the square keystock in, I have no empty keyway to put any keystock in. > What do you recommend as an alternative way to get the keystock lined > up with the gib key so I don't drill off center. I tried to drill out > a gib key on a 1-1/2 - 2-1/2 LB engine pulley and it drilled off > center and went through the pulley. I sure would hate to drill through > the hub. > > Thanks for info, this is a great way to get one out if you have some > extra keyway for the keystock, nice write up and great pictures. > Definitely filing this away for future reference. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:22 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > > >> Paul, >> >> Drill it out. Here's the first one I did. >> >> http://frapa.us/Gib/Gib/Gib.html >> >> Jeff Allen >> >> Paul Maples wrote: >> >>> Ok Gang, as usual I am stuck and need the help and wisdom of all of >>> the engine czar's. I am working on my little 1-1/2 HP Petter Apple >>> Top engine, it is 99% complete, runs, but is missing the brass >>> governor shoe that runs in the governor collar. Roland Craven has >>> graciously offered to make one for me but he needs the dimensions of >>> the collar that the shoe runs in. I am was able to get a measurement >>> of the collar on the engine and determined that from the top to the >>> bottom of the collar there was a .015 to .020 taper. Roland ask me >>> to remove the collar and have someone true it up and then send him >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Mar 24 07:38:25 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:38:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fire at Buckley Show Grounds Message-ID: http://www.cadillacnews.com/articles/2005/03/23/news/news01.txt http://www.record-eagle.com/2005/mar/23bfire.htm Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca Thu Mar 24 08:12:51 2005 From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:12:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050324161251.57953.qmail@web51408.mail.yahoo.com> Paul - My Son and I removed several just recently and we didn't use the key stock method. We just lined it up by eye very carefully and drilled. Drill your hole only about 1-1/2" deep. Just enough to tap the threads for a bolt. If you can get a 5/16" or 3/8" bolt in the key it should come out. Use a Grade 8 bolt if possible. It should work out OK. Just take your time. Larry. Paul Maples wrote: Larry if you read my last post to Jeff Alan you will note that my greatest fear is drilling off center and going through the hub of the flywheel. I don't have enough empty keyway to use a piece of center drilled keystock for a guide. Also if you will look closely you will note that the tank on the end is bent outwards from me using a gib key puller on it so I no longer have a nice square perpendicular surface to start trying to drill a straight hole. Thanks. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Anger" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > Paul - I have had success every time by drilling and tapping a hole in the > end of the key and using a slide hammer to pull the key. Use as large as > possible size bolt to pull with. Use extreme care to get the hole drilled > in the center of the key. > > Larry Anger. > > Paul Maples wrote: > Ok Gang, as usual I am stuck and need the help and wisdom of all of the > engine czar's. I am working on my little 1-1/2 HP Petter Apple Top engine, > it is 99% complete, runs, but is missing the brass governor shoe that runs > in the governor collar. Roland Craven has graciously offered to make one > for me but he needs the dimensions of the collar that the shoe runs in. I > am was able to get a measurement of the collar on the engine and > determined that from the top to the bottom of the collar there was a .015 > to .020 taper. Roland ask me to remove the collar and have someone true it > up and then send him the dimensions. > > I got the starting dog and governor cover (sauce pan) off fairly easy but > have been working for a week trying to get the gib key out of the flywheel > so I can get to the collar. I have been applying Kroil penetrating oil to > it for over a week. I have an original gib key removal tool and have been > trying it but I am about to clip off the tang on the gib key by applying > so much pressure and it still has not moved. I am about to fire up the > blue wrench but hate to put heat on a flywheel hub. > > I am open to any suggestions to get this key out. Here are some pictures > of the engine and gib key I am working on. > > http://client.webshots.com/photo/303593896/303593896UaQekG > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 24 08:15:06 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:15:06 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <1c7.24ffe105.2f74144e@aol.com> <002301c5307e$a17f8a70$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <000a01c5308c$a62eb240$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Hi Peter, > Here in The Netherlands it's very simple. > The club or organizers of a show are insured for the grounds, > like buildings, decorating stuff, flag poles etc etc. > The members are insured for there stuff, exploding engines, > flying flywheels etc etc. cost me $35 for the year and it doesn't > matter how many engines or tractors I have or bring to the show. > Spectators that stick there hand in a spinning flywheel is a pitty, > but it's their own fault. > Of course we as members watching the people what they are > doing especial the kids. > We have only a rope along the lanes and the experience is that > spectators stay at their side and only a few real interested people > come over the rope and mostly with permission of a member. > Some members bring dogs, but they are all trained, no sniffing > on gas cans, hot mufflers or spinning flywheels :o)) and you don't > find droppings, there is a special piece of grass at the outside of > the grounds. John Hammink Hi John, The Dutch seem very good at maintenance when over here! 8^) http://community.webshots.com/photo/78097478/303978780SMjfQJ Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 24 08:32:34 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:32:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fire at Buckley Show Grounds References: Message-ID: Man, that makes me sick. Will use it as a wakeup call and evaluate the shed today. Ya know come to think about it, I don't have any fire alarms in the shed. And there isn't a trip to the city goldmine that I don't find sprinkler heads and piping available at 15 cents a pound. FWIW Luke, thanks for the wakeup and reminder. That's a real loss. later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:38 AM Subject: [SEL] Fire at Buckley Show Grounds > > http://www.cadillacnews.com/articles/2005/03/23/news/news01.txt > > http://www.record-eagle.com/2005/mar/23bfire.htm > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Mar 24 08:45:27 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:45:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fire at Buckley Show Grounds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050324114357.025f8458@mail.alltel.net> At 10:38 AM 3/24/2005, you wrote: >http://www.cadillacnews.com/articles/2005/03/23/news/news01.txt >http://www.record-eagle.com/2005/mar/23bfire.htm >Luke Tonneberger Hi Luke, Is/are there any talk/plans to take up a collection of some sort to replace the building? Dave From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Mar 24 09:11:53 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:11:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fire at Buckley Show Grounds In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050324114357.025f8458@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: I don't know the answer to that Dave. I do know that Alan Bowen lives up that way and is a new member of the club. I also know that Jim Dunmyer is a member. They might have further info........ Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================ >From: Dave Rotigel > >Hi Luke, > Is/are there any talk/plans to take up a collection of some sort >to replace the building? > Dave From gwaugh at wowway.com Thu Mar 24 09:31:17 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:31:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fire at Buckley Show Grounds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503241731.j2OHVGt24388@pop-6.dnv.wideopenwest.com> This does bring to mind that it is very, very easy to install a "rough", unapproved but VERY EFFECTIVE sprinkler system in a shed, shop, garage etc. as long as the space is heated. It is possible but much more complicated to protect unheated spaces. Where appearance is secondary it doesn't take much to run a length of pipe overhead and install a few heads. You don't need the schedule 80 black iron pipe used commercially--copper water pipe is fine; even plastics are approved for residential use in some jurisdictions. As long as there is water flowing in it, it ain't gonna melt!! Again, for shop use, the freezing factor is the biggie. Just make sure to guard those heads against accidental damage; they can make one heck of a mess!! Gene -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:33 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fire at Buckley Show Grounds Man, that makes me sick. Will use it as a wakeup call and evaluate the shed today. Ya know come to think about it, I don't have any fire alarms in the shed. And there isn't a trip to the city goldmine that I don't find sprinkler heads and piping available at 15 cents a pound. FWIW Luke, thanks for the wakeup and reminder. That's a real loss. later, RickinMt. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Mar 24 09:39:48 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:39:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <1c7.24ffe105.2f74144e@aol.com><002301c5307e$a17f8a70$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <000a01c5308c$a62eb240$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <002501c53098$7d94e780$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Dave, always remember the engine needs some lub so now and then. Sure we had a good time in the UK. Thanks, John H. > Hi John, The Dutch seem very good at maintenance when over here! 8^) > http://community.webshots.com/photo/78097478/303978780SMjfQJ > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 24 10:09:13 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:09:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter In-Reply-To: <4242DD39.9070203@imc-group.com> References: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL> <42422464.609@earthlink.net> <009f01c5301c$4811a2a0$230110ac@PAUL> <4242DD39.9070203@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Paul, Curt has described exactly what I was going to suggest. The only thing I would add is to drill a hole down the center of the fixture so that you can run a bolt through it and into the tapped hole in the end of the crankshaft. That will keep your fixture from moving around as you work. The threaded hole may be Whitworth. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Curt wrote: > It is a little hard to see the picture details, but since you have no > keyway to guide with perhaps another guide could be fabricated. It looks > like you have about an 1-1/2 of shaft sticking out. You could take a > piece of round stock maybe 4" long and bore it down the length for a > tight slip fit over the exposed shaft. From the end mill a slot the > width of your gib key and as deep as the key protrudes from the hub. > Then drill your guide hole down the length of the round stock, the > correct distance off centerline such that it will meet centerline of the > gib key. Keep in mind the .010/inch taper so that when you get in deep > in the gib key you are not breaking into the flywheel taper. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 24 10:14:59 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:14:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] john deere chop Message-ID: <001901c5309d$64d979e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> everybodies building butt buggies http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1111417996.JPG tendency to push in the turns http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1111417910.JPG Chuck http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Mar 24 10:24:51 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:24:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fire at Buckley Show Grounds In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050324114357.025f8458@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: I just spoke with Jim Luper and there are no plans for a collection. The building was well insured he said. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: Dave Rotigel > >Hi Luke, > Is/are there any talk/plans to take up a collection of some sort >to replace the building? > Dave From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Mar 24 10:38:17 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:38:17 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter / now flywheel taper In-Reply-To: <4242DD39.9070203@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, I have a question in regards to your comment 'flywheel taper'. Is the keyway that is cut into the hub of a flywheel tapered to match the taper of the gib key or is the keyway cut straight? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================== >From: Curt > >Keep in mind the .010/inch taper so that when you get in deep in the gib >key you are not breaking into the flywheel taper. >Curt From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Mar 24 10:50:07 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:50:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fire at Buckley Show Grounds In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050324114357.025f8458@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050324134937.025eda48@mail.alltel.net> >The building was well insured he said. >Luke Tonneberger That's good to know! Dave From curt at imc-group.com Thu Mar 24 11:28:25 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:28:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter / now flywheel taper In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424314D9.8010001@imc-group.com> Luke, My opinion is that the hub should be cut on the same 1/8"/foot taper to match the gib key taper. If not then there is a single line of contact between the key and the hub and this 1) does not hold nearly as well and 2) tends to tip the flywheel on the shaft. A while back there was a discussion about this concerning Baker Monitor gears and hubs. The one Devin and I are working certainly has tapered keyways although some Baker experts indicate this should not be. Curt Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Curt, > > I have a question in regards to your comment 'flywheel taper'. Is the > keyway that is cut into the hub of a flywheel tapered to match the > taper of the gib key or is the keyway cut straight? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ======================== > >> From: Curt >> >> Keep in mind the .010/inch taper so that when you get in deep in the >> gib key you are not breaking into the flywheel taper. >> Curt > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 24 10:27:40 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:27:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter References: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL> <42422464.609@earthlink.net><009f01c5301c$4811a2a0$230110ac@PAUL><4242DD39.9070203@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <008901c5309f$2b63c7e0$230110ac@PAUL> Hello Arnie, For some strange reason I never saw Curt's post so I am just now reading it for the first time. I don't have a mill so I have no way of milling a slot in a piece of round stock, might could take it to a local machine shop and get them to do it if it is not too expensive. Thanks for the help, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > Paul, > > Curt has described exactly what I was going to suggest. The only thing I > would add is to drill a hole down the center of the fixture so that you > can run a bolt through it and into the tapped hole in the end of the > crankshaft. That will keep your fixture from moving around as you work. > The threaded hole may be Whitworth. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Curt wrote: > >> It is a little hard to see the picture details, but since you have no >> keyway to guide with perhaps another guide could be fabricated. It looks >> like you have about an 1-1/2 of shaft sticking out. You could take a >> piece of round stock maybe 4" long and bore it down the length for a >> tight slip fit over the exposed shaft. From the end mill a slot the >> width of your gib key and as deep as the key protrudes from the hub. >> Then drill your guide hole down the length of the round stock, the >> correct distance off centerline such that it will meet centerline of the >> gib key. Keep in mind the .010/inch taper so that when you get in deep >> in the gib key you are not breaking into the flywheel taper. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Thu Mar 24 12:31:48 2005 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:31:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cripes Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A703FE5F7D@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=7502091254 A little rich, or am I behind the times? Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 24 12:39:59 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:39:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter / now flywheel taper In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Luke, If memory serves (back to my days as an apprentice machinist measuring keyways and cutting tapered keys to fit), the taper was in the hub (gear, bearing race, whatever). The bottom of the keyway in the shaft was flat and parallel to the shaft. I have not done similar measurements on old engine flywheels, but given that the needed action (broaching) is the same, I'd guess the outcome would be the same. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > I have a question in regards to your comment 'flywheel taper'. Is the > keyway that is cut into the hub of a flywheel tapered to match the taper of > the gib key or is the keyway cut straight? From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Mar 24 13:15:41 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:15:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter / now flywheel taper In-Reply-To: <424314D9.8010001@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Thanks Curt. Luke ==================== >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter / now flywheel taper >Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:28:25 -0500 > >Luke, >My opinion is that the hub should be cut on the same 1/8"/foot taper to >match the gib key taper. If not then there is a single line of contact >between the key and the hub and this 1) does not hold nearly as well and 2) >tends to tip the flywheel on the shaft. > >A while back there was a discussion about this concerning Baker Monitor >gears and hubs. The one Devin and I are working certainly has tapered >keyways although some Baker experts indicate this should not be. >Curt > >Luke Tonneberger wrote: > >>Hi Curt, >> >>I have a question in regards to your comment 'flywheel taper'. Is the >>keyway that is cut into the hub of a flywheel tapered to match the taper >>of the gib key or is the keyway cut straight? >> >>Luke Tonneberger >>Rockford, Michigan >>USA >>======================== >> >>>From: Curt >>> >>>Keep in mind the .010/inch taper so that when you get in deep in the gib >>>key you are not breaking into the flywheel taper. >>>Curt From nick at holden1.net Thu Mar 24 13:36:06 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:36:06 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter / now flywheel taper References: <424314D9.8010001@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <424332C6.000001.02860@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Curt if you have ever tried to fit a hub backwards then you will find out that both are tapered as they will not fit well if you get them on the wrong way round Nick -------Original Message------- From: Curt Date: 03/24/05 19:37:12 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter / now flywheel taper Luke, My opinion is that the hub should be cut on the same 1/8"/foot taper to match the gib key taper. If not then there is a single line of contact between the key and the hub and this 1) does not hold nearly as well and 2) tends to tip the flywheel on the shaft. A while back there was a discussion about this concerning Baker Monitor gears and hubs. The one Devin and I are working certainly has tapered keyways although some Baker experts indicate this should not be. Curt Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Curt, > > I have a question in regards to your comment 'flywheel taper'. Is the > keyway that is cut into the hub of a flywheel tapered to match the > taper of the gib key or is the keyway cut straight? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ======================== > >> From: Curt >> >> Keep in mind the .010/inch taper so that when you get in deep in the >> gib key you are not breaking into the flywheel taper. >> Curt > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Thu Mar 24 13:58:09 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:58:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Cripes In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050324215809.95866.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Bruce It's only a Spark Plug John Deere (I have seen them sell for over $2000)... On a repro cart ($280) ...on ebay with a decent paint job... Now if it were an EP John Deere....watch out... I did recognize the seller and know them...They just sent me some a part for Independent Harvester...I mentioned that I need to get one when I stopped by their place and it appeared at my house a week later. I wasn't expecting it...They spun it up on their lathe.... Steve --- Bruce Younger wrote: http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=7502091254 A little rich, or am I behind the times? Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Thu Mar 24 14:05:06 2005 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:05:06 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter References: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL> <42422464.609@earthlink.net> <009f01c5301c$4811a2a0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <001601c530bd$8bd8ca80$0297e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Paul , You could try the method that we use .Carefully weld on a piece of rod to the head of the key , the rod should have another piece welded on the end to look like a large gib key. Allow this to cool and a few swift bangs with a largish hammer and either the key will fly out or the weld will break, in this case just try again (this method has not let me down in the past). See you latter, Craig in sunny Scotland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > Jeff this looks great but you had quite a bit of empty keyway to put the > square keystock in, I have no empty keyway to put any keystock in. What do > you recommend as an alternative way to get the keystock lined up with the > gib key so I don't drill off center. I tried to drill out a gib key on a > 1-1/2 - 2-1/2 LB engine pulley and it drilled off center and went through > the pulley. I sure would hate to drill through the hub. > > Thanks for info, this is a great way to get one out if you have some extra > keyway for the keystock, nice write up and great pictures. Definitely > filing this away for future reference. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:22 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > > >> Paul, >> >> Drill it out. Here's the first one I did. >> >> http://frapa.us/Gib/Gib/Gib.html >> >> Jeff Allen >> >> Paul Maples wrote: >> >>>Ok Gang, as usual I am stuck and need the help and wisdom of all of the >>>engine czar's. I am working on my little 1-1/2 HP Petter Apple Top >>>engine, it is 99% complete, runs, but is missing the brass governor shoe >>>that runs in the governor collar. Roland Craven has graciously offered to >>>make one for me but he needs the dimensions of the collar that the shoe >>>runs in. I am was able to get a measurement of the collar on the engine >>>and determined that from the top to the bottom of the collar there was a >>>.015 to .020 taper. Roland ask me to remove the collar and have someone >>>true it up and then send him > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Mar 24 14:11:54 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:11:54 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Bessemer. Message-ID: <000701c530be$804f5750$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Arnie, have you seen the fantastic workmansship that Craig Prucha did on your cylinder? http://www.antique-engine.com/shopwork/shopwork36.htm I love his workshop pictures very much and the way he find solutions for all that different machine work. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From curt at imc-group.com Thu Mar 24 14:21:20 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:21:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42433D60.4000604@imc-group.com> G'day SEL, I have put up a few of the pictures taken at the National in Narracoorte, SA. Mine were taken in low res. to make it easier on web page writing. Hope the resolution is decent enough. Sorry about the long index page of thumbnail, but there was a LOT to see. There are 216 thumbnails of tractors, trucks, and engines to look at. Hope you enjoy this side shaft heaven. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Thumbnails.html Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 24 14:44:40 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:44:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter References: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL> <42422464.609@earthlink.net><009f01c5301c$4811a2a0$230110ac@PAUL> <001601c530bd$8bd8ca80$0297e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <00f601c530c3$12cdcb80$230110ac@PAUL> Craig I think my options are just about down to your method. The large end of the gib key with the tab on it has cracked from all of the prying I have done on it so it is going to break off if I pry on it anymore so I think I better either try drilling and taping some threads, screw in a bolt and then weld it in for good measure and then use a slide hammer to knock it out. Thanks for the input I appreciate it very much. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > Hi Paul , > You could try the method that we use .Carefully weld on a piece of > rod to the head of the key , the rod should have another piece welded on > the end to look like a large gib key. Allow this to cool and a few swift > bangs with a largish hammer and either the key will fly out or the weld > will break, in this case just try again (this method has not let me down > in the past). > > From lsain33 at charter.net Thu Mar 24 18:07:04 2005 From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:07:04 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt References: <42433D60.4000604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <007001c530df$571b62e0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Great photos, Curt. Thanks for posting. Love them Blackstones! Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:21 PM Subject: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt > G'day SEL, > I have put up a few of the pictures taken at the National in > Narracoorte, SA. Mine were taken in low res. to make it easier on web > page writing. Hope the resolution is decent enough. Sorry about the long > index page of thumbnail, but there was a LOT to see. There are 216 > thumbnails of tractors, trucks, and engines to look at. > Hope you enjoy this side shaft heaven. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Thumbnails.htm l > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 > > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Mar 24 15:25:55 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:25:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt In-Reply-To: <42433D60.4000604@imc-group.com> References: <42433D60.4000604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050324182341.0ee59f80@mail.alltel.net> At 05:21 PM 3/24/2005, you wrote: >G'day SEL, >I have put up a few of the pictures taken at the National in Narracoorte, >SA. Mine were taken in low res. to make it easier on web page writing. >Hope the resolution is decent enough. Sorry about the long index page of >thumbnail, but there was a LOT to see. There are 216 thumbnails of >tractors, trucks, and engines to look at. >Hope you enjoy this side shaft heaven. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Thumbnails.html >Curt Holland Hi Curt, Great pictures! Who the hell is the good lookin chick with the GREAT legs and blue plaid mini skirt that shows up in several of the pictures? Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 24 15:36:33 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:36:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Bessemer. In-Reply-To: <000701c530be$804f5750$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <000701c530be$804f5750$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Hi John, When the Bessemer cylinder and piston went home with Craig from Coolspring last June, I started checking his shopwork pages about once a month. He had told me about the work he had in the shop that was ahead of mine and told me that it would be this spring before it would have moved to the front of the queue. The cylinder actually made it onto the Lucas boring mill back on Page 34, but there was additional work on the Miller piston that needed to be done. Once I saw that work on the cylinder had begun in ernest, I started to get really excited. I asked Dolly to add a link to Craig's shopwork page from the the Bessemer page. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/bessie.htm That fantastic workmanship and clever solutions to problems is exactly why the cylinder & piston are with Craig. IMHO, he's about the best there is. He's done a number of videos of his big engine restorations. I think have all of 'em. Whenever I run into a "hard spot" with one of my engine projects, I'll pop one of those videos in for "inspiration." The Swan restoration is one of my favorites because I was at Coolspring when he loaded her on the trailer. Man, she looked sorry. The work he had to do was nothing short of amazing. There was a really nice two-part article in GEM on that one, but for real fun, you should watch the video. I know that I'm checking the shopwork pages daily now cos there's a lot of work yet to go. Minimum is the welding that you saw and a cylinder bore and new rings. Maybe more work, it depends on how it goes. In putting the link up Dolly referred to it as being in "Dr. Craig's hospital for sick engines...". Pretty apt I'd say. He certainly has the skill of a surgeon with the old iron. And looking on, you do feel a real connection to the "patient." And I'm really looking forward to putting her back together, putting fire to the hot tube, and giving her that first tromp onto compression. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, John Hammink wrote: > Hi Arnie, have you seen the fantastic workmansship > that Craig Prucha did on your cylinder? > > http://www.antique-engine.com/shopwork/shopwork36.htm > > I love his workshop pictures very much and the way he find > solutions for all that different machine work. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Mar 24 15:38:04 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:38:04 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt References: <42433D60.4000604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000f01c530ca$8a2fc280$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Supurb pictures and dito engines Curt, you're right in saying "Side Shaft Heaven". Yes I have a HSCS engine, one of our club members has a tractor too. That rotery mag at the strange colored Monitor has to be a Dixie, I have one on the shelf. Thanks for sharing all those candies. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > G'day SEL, > I have put up a few of the pictures taken at the National in > Narracoorte, SA. Mine were taken in low res. to make it easier on web > page writing. Hope the resolution is decent enough. Sorry about the long > index page of thumbnail, but there was a LOT to see. There are 216 > thumbnails of tractors, trucks, and engines to look at. > Hope you enjoy this side shaft heaven. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Thumbnails.html > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Mar 24 15:55:06 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:55:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter References: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL><42422464.609@earthlink.net><009f01c5301c$4811a2a0$230110ac@PAUL><001601c530bd$8bd8ca80$0297e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <00f601c530c3$12cdcb80$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <00b401c530cc$e992c9a0$0301a8c0@Reg> Paul, clamp a guide tube in the keyway and drill right through. then open the hole to about .02 under the key size. Rock the wheel a few times and the remains of the key will fall out. You will need to make a new key anyway! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > Craig I think my options are just about down to your method. The large end > of the gib key with the tab on it has cracked from all of the prying I have > done on it so it is going to break off if I pry on it anymore so I think I > better either try drilling and taping some threads, screw in a bolt and then > weld it in for good measure and then use a slide hammer to knock it out. > Thanks for the input I appreciate it very much. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "craig morrison" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > > > > Hi Paul , > > You could try the method that we use .Carefully weld on a piece of > > rod to the head of the key , the rod should have another piece welded on > > the end to look like a large gib key. Allow this to cool and a few swift > > bangs with a largish hammer and either the key will fly out or the weld > > will break, in this case just try again (this method has not let me down > > in the past). > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 24 16:08:11 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:08:11 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: <002401c53079$5dc38d40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <20050323.210647.428.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <002401c53079$5dc38d40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <4243566B.7040908@optusnet.com.au> kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: >>Hi Luke. >>This was taken from a past posting: >> >>"About .003-.005" per inch of bore is typically recommended." >> >> >but 4 rhymes with bore > > ******* Air cooled or water cooled? Aluminium or CI pistons? Air cooled cylinders require a bit more clearance (OK - I know that old one - they are ALL air cooled, ultimately) Jack in Oz ******** From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 24 16:17:35 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:17:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter References: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL><42422464.609@earthlink.net><009f01c5301c$4811a2a0$230110ac@PAUL><001601c530bd$8bd8ca80$0297e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O><00f601c530c3$12cdcb80$230110ac@PAUL> <00b401c530cc$e992c9a0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <013301c530d0$0dcd8230$230110ac@PAUL> Hello Reg, I have been out in the shop trying to weld a bolt onto the keyway and then use a slide hammer to knock it out, we would weld, knock and the weld would break, weld again, knock and the weld would break, all I did was succeed in breaking the gib key off at the end where the tab is. I guess I will try and drill it out and hope I don't run off center and get into the flywheel. Thanks. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > Paul, clamp a guide tube in the keyway and drill right through. then open > the hole to about .02 under the key size. Rock the wheel a few times and > the > remains of the key will fall out. You will need to make a new key anyway! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 24 16:29:09 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:29:09 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt References: <42433D60.4000604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001c01c530d1$aa5962d0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:21 PM Subject: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt > G'day SEL, > I have put up a few of the pictures taken at the National in > Narracoorte, SA. Mine were taken in low res. to make it easier on web > page writing. Hope the resolution is decent enough. Sorry about the long > index page of thumbnail, but there was a LOT to see. There are 216 > thumbnails of tractors, trucks, and engines to look at. > Hope you enjoy this side shaft heaven. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Thumbnails.html > Curt Holland Hi Curt, You are as bad as the Aussies for showing English engines as normal when they are as rare as Dobby Horse Sh*t over here. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Mar 24 16:50:57 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:50:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter In-Reply-To: <013301c530d0$0dcd8230$230110ac@PAUL> References: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL><42422464.609@earthlink.net><009f01c5301c$4811a2a0$230110ac@PAUL><001601c530bd$8bd8ca80$0297e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O><00f601c530c3$12cdcb80$230110ac@PAUL> <00b401c530cc$e992c9a0$0301a8c0@Reg> <013301c530d0$0dcd8230$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <42436071.9010603@earthlink.net> Paul, Just looked at your pictures again. I think drill and tap is you best option here. You are close enough to the end of the crank to do this. My situation would not allow it. Hard to tell from the picture, but probably 1/4 SAE would work. 5/16 would be better if you can get away with it. Center punch carefully and drill in a 1/4 inch or so, then tap it. Grade 8 bolt and give it a shot. Have one other idea if that don't work. Jeff Allen Paul Maples wrote: > Hello Reg, I have been out in the shop trying to weld a bolt onto the > keyway and then use a slide hammer to knock it out, we would weld, > knock and the weld would break, weld again, knock and the weld would > break, all I did was succeed in breaking the gib key off at the end > where the tab is. I guess I will try and drill it out and hope I don't > run off center and get into the flywheel. Thanks. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg Ingold" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > > >> Paul, clamp a guide tube in the keyway and drill right through. then >> open >> the hole to about .02 under the key size. Rock the wheel a few times >> and the >> remains of the key will fall out. You will need to make a new key >> anyway! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Mar 24 17:09:27 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:09:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt In-Reply-To: <42433D60.4000604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200503250109.j2P19U3W059073@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Curt, Great pics. It was good to catch up with you and Missy while you were here. We are thinking of holding a rally just for pushrod engines as they seem to be a lot rarer than sideshaft engines ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- G'day SEL, I have put up a few of the pictures taken at the National in Narracoorte, SA. Mine were taken in low res. to make it easier on web page writing. Hope the resolution is decent enough. Sorry about the long index page of thumbnail, but there was a LOT to see. There are 216 thumbnails of tractors, trucks, and engines to look at. Hope you enjoy this side shaft heaven. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Thumbnails.htm l Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Mar 24 17:09:43 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:09:43 EST Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter Message-ID: In a message dated 3/24/2005 7:33:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: << I guess I will try and drill it out and hope I don't run off center and get into the flywheel. >> Paul, Good sharp bit and as suggested use a piece of pipe clamped in the key groove for a guide. You can try first drilling, tapping then welding to a bolt. If that does not work, you can then drill to bigger size and break out as suggested. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Mar 24 17:11:19 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:11:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ebay scam alert - pass this onto tractor people - particularly in Oz where this guy seems to prey most... Message-ID: <42436537.7040509@steamengine.com.au> I found a John Deere compact utility tractor in new condition on ebay. The unit was at $150 with zero bids. There were three from the same seller boys131085 all in Onslow Western Australia (does this town exist?). After I asked my question I got an email from ebay kinda advising me to avoid the seller (if you read between the lines) and they cancelled all the seller's items from ebay - they are gone without trace. This morning I found another tractor probably from the same person (same location, same setup, different ebay seller swanvalley51) http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11752&item=7503449687&rd=1 This one is a Kubota working on the same scam setup... I'm going to ask this seller a question too and see what happens. Here is the message I got from ebay (I've checked the full headers and it really is from ebay - directly with no intervening parties and the IP addresses are in the range assigned to ebay) > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: NOTICE: eBay Ask Seller a Question or Contact eBay Member Alert > Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:12:25 PST > From: moreinfo at ebay.com > To: paulp at steamengine.com.au > > Dear paulp4fsq (paulp at steamengine.com.au): > > Our records indicate that you recently sent an email to or received an email from boys131085 through the eBay email system (for example, you may have sent an email to this member through Ask Seller a Question or received an email from this member through Contact eBay Member). > > Sometimes eBay accounts are used to send email solicitations for transactions outside of eBay, or to send unrelated questions in hopes that you will respond so that the other party can obtain your email address. We wanted you to be aware of the potential fraud risk these solicitations pose and encourage you to be cautious about the email you received from this member. > > Please keep in mind, sales that take place outside of eBay are not eligible for any eBay or PayPal protective services and you run the risk of losing your money or your item if you complete these transactions. We would encourage you to review the eBay pages related to Fraud Protection at the address provided below for information on steps you can take to ensure that your transactions are successful: > > http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/isgw-buyer-protection-steps.html > > If you have already sent the item or sent payment for the item, please reply to this email and we will send you additional information about how to protect yourself. > > Regards, > > Trust & Safety Department Here is the message I got back the seller to my query about the JD > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: Question for - John Deere 4100 Compact Utility Tractor > Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:36:48 +0000 > From: Balica Stefan > To: paulp at steamengine.com.au > > > hello, > > I`m glad that you?re interested in my John Deere 4100 Compact Utility > Tractor. Let me tell you all about this deal. > Details about the unit: > The unit is accurate.It has no scratches, no damages, no hidden defects.Kept > it in a warm garage.It comes with all the documents needed for registration, > it has a clear title and it can be anytime registered into your name any > time without a problem so, I want you to stay cool about this. > Price: > The buy it now price is AUD 4,500.The buy now price include the shipping and > insurance fees. I realize that the price is low,but this is the price for a > fast deal. > Location: > The unit is in Australia, > Address:C/-Sun Chalets, > City: Onslow, > State: Western Australia, > Zip:6710 > but for the moment I am in Sweden and I will come back as soon as > everything will be arranged. > Shipping: > I made a couple of phone calls and the best and fastest way I can ship with > is using TNT and it takes 5-6 days to arrive at your door. > I will pay all the shipping fees, and the insurance in a case of any damage > during the shipping. > The most important thing in all my activity here is that I am affiliated at > Ebay , I have a a purchase protection account for $5,340.00 and I assume > you know what this means.How you are protected by Ebay,in case we have a > deal: > 1) If you will not receive the Unit as i described to you,although this is > not the case,Ebay will refund you with 100% from the whole amount.Even in > case you will not receive the unit ,they will refund you the money. > 2) You will make the transfer on my name but eBay will keep the payment > details until you will receive the product.After you'll receive and see that > the item is the one you want,you just notify Ebay to forward me the payment > details so I will be able to pick up my money. > I will wait for your email to let me know if you are interested in knowing > more details about the purchase.Let me know if it's OK with you,so that we > can move forward with this deal and I will contact eBay in order to start > the transaction.After that they will email you all the details. > Email me asap. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 23/03/2005 From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 24 17:21:20 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:21:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Fire at Buckley Show Grounds In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050325012120.72566.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ya, I am a member, but I don't know any more than what is in those two news reports. They can't even agree on some of the details. 8>)) I don't believe for an instant that Jim Luper said there were 300 picnic tables in there. Probably about one hundred though. I will ttry to drive down there Saturday afternoon. It sure is puzzling to me what could have started the fire. Won't a lot of us members feel sick if it turns out to be something in one of those trailers that started it. I have been to some meetings in that building where it was tough to find a seat. Buckley has a LOT of members that come out to the key meetings. Alan Bowen --- Luke Tonneberger wrote: > I don't know the answer to that Dave. I do know that Alan Bowen lives up > that way and is a new member of the club. I also know that Jim Dunmyer is a > member. They might have further info........ > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ================ > > >From: Dave Rotigel > > > >Hi Luke, > > Is/are there any talk/plans to take up a collection of some sort > >to replace the building? > > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Thu Mar 24 17:34:16 2005 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:04:16 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <42418F9D.5040206@imc-group.com><00c901c52ffa$b409d580$88a2fea9@adsl> <4242DA0A.8020603@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <006701c530da$e85add80$a805fea9@adsl> Curt The fence posts were all 2nd hand from the vineyards. I'm not sure what happens to them now. The wire was donated by the company who made it. It will be sold by a local company as second hand, and they will keep a handling fee and pay the original company the surplus. Good deal to me. Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Steven, > Who paid for the fence and posts? > Curt > > Steven N Kitto wrote: > > >Curt > >The only cost to the club for the erection of the compounds was the labour > >in putting them up and taking them down. And that was volunteered. > > > >A member of the public said to me on the Saturday that he was pleased with > >the fences around the compounds because it was safe to let his children > >wander to see the engines etc, without the fear of them getting tangled in > >the machines. Worth passing on. > > > >Steve and Denise Kitto > >4 Fifth Ave > >Naracoorte > >South Australia > >Ph 08 87621147 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Thu Mar 24 17:52:14 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:52:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tod ENgine's new Allis Chalmers Front End loader! Message-ID: <005d01c530dd$44ba68a0$a65bef18@pengy> Friday morning our Allis Chalmers front end loader is being delivered to the Tod Engine heritage park! This is our first piece of big equipment, and I can't wait to put it to work. Its fitting that its and AC since that company was once one of Tod's competitors building large stationary steam engines. I will have photos up of the delivery of the loader on the webshots site Friday night. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Mar 24 18:39:08 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:39:08 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Aussie Engine Ads Message-ID: <200503250239.j2P2d8ND080299@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I recently bought a few Australian engines ads. They are quite interesting showing the Aussie agents for some well known overseas engines. The first one is an Anthony Horden's ad for Challenge engines: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/challenge1918.jpg The next is a Cooper ad showing a YB Stover: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/cooper1918.jpg and this one is rare, an Australian Massey-Harris ad: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/mh1927.jpg this one is a Buzacott ad showing a Buzacott engine but it is actually a Fuller & Johnson engine with the logo on the hopper changed to a Buzacott one (quite roughly). http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/buza1929.jpg All of the Sydney addresses given on the ads are within 5km or so of my place! When I get some time I will go and check out the addresses and see what is there now. I know that Anthony Horden was knocked down in the late 80's and the site is now apartments, a hotel, and an office building (it is a big site). Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 24 19:18:11 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:18:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter References: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL><42422464.609@earthlink.net><009f01c5301c$4811a2a0$230110ac@PAUL><001601c530bd$8bd8ca80$0297e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O><00f601c530c3$12cdcb80$230110ac@PAUL> <00b401c530cc$e992c9a0$0301a8c0@Reg><013301c530d0$0dcd8230$230110ac@PAUL> <42436071.9010603@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <03be01c530e9$48ad0920$230110ac@PAUL> Jeff, I better send you a new set of pictures tomorrow showing you what it looks like now which is not good. The large end of the gib key broke off and I have tried three times to weld a bolt to what is left but the weld always breaks before the key comes out. I have turned the engine on it's side with the flywheel with the stuck gib key up in the air. I then doused it real good with some more Kroil penetrating oil. Since I no longer have a tab on the end of the broken gib I was thinking about getting a square nut and position it on top of the broken gib key, position it so that one flat side is parallel to the face of the flywheel and then weld this nut to the top of the broken key. In other words I am making a new tab in order to try and use the gib key puller to get it out. If this fails then I am going to start trying to drill it out and collapse it like Reg said by rocking the flywheel against it. I will take some new pictures tomorrow and send them out so you, and everyone else, can see my present situation which is worse but I am not giving up. Thanks for all of the help. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > Paul, > > Just looked at your pictures again. I think drill and tap is you best > option here. You are close enough to the end of the crank to do this. My > situation would not allow it. Hard to tell from the picture, but probably > 1/4 SAE would work. 5/16 would be better if you can get away with it. > Center punch carefully and drill in a 1/4 inch or so, then tap it. Grade 8 > bolt and give it a shot. Have one other idea if that don't work. > > Jeff Allen From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Mar 24 19:38:06 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:38:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] john deere chop In-Reply-To: <001901c5309d$64d979e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <001901c5309d$64d979e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: Sweet! John On Mar 24, 2005, at 1:14 PM, wrote: > everybodies building butt buggies > http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1111417996.JPG > tendency to push in the turns > http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1111417910.JPG John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From solarrog at pacbell.net Thu Mar 24 20:31:36 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:31:36 -0800 Subject: [SEL] ebay scam alert - pass this onto tractor people - particularly in Oz where this guy seems to prey most... References: <42436537.7040509@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <007c01c530f3$89043e30$54c97043@D6R3D961> Thr sentence structure sounds just like all the scams I have seen, I have never heard of ebay warrantying any type of sale (red flag) repeats himself regarding your possible fears (red flag) Wouldnt it cost a few thousand dollars to ship a tractor? Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: ; Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 5:11 PM Subject: [SEL] ebay scam alert - pass this onto tractor people - particularly in Oz where this guy seems to prey most... >I found a John Deere compact utility tractor in new condition on ebay. The >unit was at $150 with zero bids. There were three from the same seller >boys131085 all in Onslow Western Australia (does this town exist?). After I >asked my question I got an email from ebay kinda advising me to avoid the >seller (if you read between the lines) and they cancelled all the seller's >items from ebay - they are gone without trace. > > This morning I found another tractor probably from the same person (same > location, same setup, different ebay seller swanvalley51) > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11752&item=7503449687&rd=1 > This one is a Kubota working on the same scam setup... I'm going to ask > this seller a question too and see what happens. > > Here is the message I got from ebay (I've checked the full headers and it > really is from ebay - directly with no intervening parties and the IP > addresses are in the range assigned to ebay) >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: NOTICE: eBay Ask Seller a Question or Contact eBay Member Alert >> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:12:25 PST >> From: moreinfo at ebay.com >> To: paulp at steamengine.com.au >> >> Dear paulp4fsq (paulp at steamengine.com.au): Our records indicate that you >> recently sent an email to or received an email from boys131085 through >> the eBay email system (for example, you may have sent an email to this >> member through Ask Seller a Question or received an email from this >> member through Contact eBay Member). Sometimes eBay accounts are used to >> send email solicitations for transactions outside of eBay, or to send >> unrelated questions in hopes that you will respond so that the other >> party can obtain your email address. We wanted you to be aware of the >> potential fraud risk these solicitations pose and encourage you to be >> cautious about the email you received from this member. Please keep in >> mind, sales that take place outside of eBay are not eligible for any eBay >> or PayPal protective services and you run the risk of losing your money >> or your item if you complete these transactions. We would encourage you >> to review the eBay pages related to Fraud Protection at the address >> provided below for information on steps you can take to ensure that your >> transactions are successful: >> >> http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/isgw-buyer-protection-steps.html >> >> If you have already sent the item or sent payment for the item, please >> reply to this email and we will send you additional information about how >> to protect yourself. Regards, >> >> Trust & Safety Department > > > > Here is the message I got back the seller to my query about the JD >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: RE: Question for - John Deere 4100 Compact Utility Tractor >> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:36:48 +0000 >> From: Balica Stefan >> To: paulp at steamengine.com.au >> >> >> hello, >> >> I`m glad that you?re interested in my John Deere 4100 Compact Utility >> Tractor. Let me tell you all about this deal. >> Details about the unit: >> The unit is accurate.It has no scratches, no damages, no hidden >> defects.Kept it in a warm garage.It comes with all the documents needed >> for registration, it has a clear title and it can be anytime registered >> into your name any time without a problem so, I want you to stay cool >> about this. >> Price: >> The buy it now price is AUD 4,500.The buy now price include the shipping >> and insurance fees. I realize that the price is low,but this is the price >> for a fast deal. >> Location: >> The unit is in Australia, >> Address:C/-Sun Chalets, >> City: Onslow, >> State: Western Australia, >> Zip:6710 >> but for the moment I am in Sweden and I will come back as soon as >> everything will be arranged. >> Shipping: >> I made a couple of phone calls and the best and fastest way I can ship >> with is using TNT and it takes 5-6 days to arrive at your door. >> I will pay all the shipping fees, and the insurance in a case of any >> damage during the shipping. >> The most important thing in all my activity here is that I am affiliated >> at Ebay , I have a a purchase protection account for $5,340.00 and I >> assume you know what this means.How you are protected by Ebay,in case we >> have a deal: >> 1) If you will not receive the Unit as i described to you,although this >> is not the case,Ebay will refund you with 100% from the whole amount.Even >> in case you will not receive the unit ,they will refund you the money. >> 2) You will make the transfer on my name but eBay will keep the payment >> details until you will receive the product.After you'll receive and see >> that the item is the one you want,you just notify Ebay to forward me the >> payment details so I will be able to pick up my money. >> I will wait for your email to let me know if you are interested in >> knowing more details about the purchase.Let me know if it's OK with >> you,so that we can move forward with this deal and I will contact eBay in >> order to start the transaction.After that they will email you all the >> details. >> Email me asap. >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >> http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ >> > > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 23/03/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Mar 24 21:11:47 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:11:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <4242D5EC.4050701@imc-group.com> References: <1c7.24ffe105.2f74144e@aol.com> <4242D5EC.4050701@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42439D93.2000007@fidnet.com> Peter, There are a couple of points that Curt didn't mention. First, if you wish to operate without insurance and you get lucky and in the event someone is injured, sues you with no damages awarded, you may still be liable for legal fees. If you win in a case involving machinery in motion, I wouldn't be surprised if you might have a large legal bill to pay, because I think you probably would have had a really good attorney arguing your case. The second point is that while there may be no federal or state laws requiring insurance coverage, a local government or a private or corporate entity may require proof of insurance in any anount they choose($1,000,000 $10,000,000 or $xxx,000,000)as well as be named as an additional insured on your liability policy for the event held on their property. It is a small distinction, no, they don't require insurance for such events as engine/tractor shows, unless you want to host the event on their property, ie. the local fairgrounds etc. The basic principle of insurance remains: Spreading the risk among many and charging each a small amount and acruing for the big claim. Gary Curt wrote: > Peter, > In the States there are no federal laws saying that a public event has > to be covered by liability insurance. To my knowledge there are no > states with such laws in place either. In fact some states have passed > laws stating that for many public events, the organizers cannot be held > liable for injuries. In particular equestrian events. > > In the States as a club (or an individual) you would be free to put on > an event without liability insurance. You are free to take your chances > that no one will be injured. You are free to take your chances that if > someone is injured they will not sue you. You are free to take your > chances that if you are sued, the jury will not award damages to the > injured, for which you or the club would be responsible. > > In my opinion, for any public event of any significant size one would be > nuts to assume such risk, but none the less you are FREE to make that > decision. > > Once one decides he needs to insure his public event, he contacts > several private insurance companies and requests quotes to provide > liability insurance. The one buying the insurance decides how much > insurance they wish to buy. If they want they can buy as little as > $100,000 of insurance. I'd venture a guess that many buy $1 million > dollar policies. > > For certain the agents selling the insurance know nothing about the > hobby and you will never see an insurance booth set up at a show. They > really don't care. They are simply assuming a risk for public injury for > a specific period of time, independent of the event. It could be a > concert, a car show, an engine show, etc. > The only hiccup was a few years ago after the Medina, OH steam traction > engine explosion. It was nearly impossible to purchase liability > insurance for the first couple of years after that accident if you were > going to have steam at your show. Now that all states are up to snuff > and have annual boiler inspections in place, the insurance companies are > beginning to insure shows that have steam again. > > What I gather has happened in Oz is that the insurance conglomerate has > lobbied your legislature to put into place laws that demand liability > insurance for all public events. Whether or not this was the best thing > for Oz is yet to be determined, but it is undeniable that it is a > collusive effort to extract dollars from each and every person, and to > spread the results of law suits amongst the entire populous. But that is > the essence of socialism isn't it! > Mind you this is not a slight against Oz. My observations of the > wonderful people of Oz is that everyone seems happy and content. > However, to someone with the _freedom_ to make the choice about > insurance, your system seems intrusive, coercive, and imposing. Everyone > in Oz shrugs this off saying it is only $15 a year, so what! It works > for you. It is simply a different system. > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > Peterwoodmore at aol.com wrote: > >>> From one who was at the Friday night meeting right to the end. >> >> The insurance rep stated that the insurer put no restrictions at all >> on rallys and that they would cover our negligence. The NHMA imposed >> the rules or guidlines through a sytem of risk management ( which is >> the buzz word for all things in this modern era). >> However if there should be a claim in the future due to negligence >> then the premiums paid by the clubs and individuals would reflect this >> but would not necessarily preclude us from being insured. >> Could the Yanks please explain there system of public liability >> insurance , I have been told that it is paid individually along with >> house insurance is that so? Everybody seems to be an expert on what >> happens in Oz lets here from the rest of the world >> >> >> Woody >> >> Peter Woodmore >> 27 Craig Ave Moorebank >> 2170 >> NSW >> Australia >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Mar 24 21:30:07 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:30:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ebay scam alert - pass this onto tractor people - particularly in Oz where this guy seems to prey most... In-Reply-To: <007c01c530f3$89043e30$54c97043@D6R3D961> References: <42436537.7040509@steamengine.com.au> <007c01c530f3$89043e30$54c97043@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <4243A1DF.6010305@steamengine.com.au> Yes it would, and the shipping company he wants to use has not been called TNT for years - it is TOLL these days. Someone outside Australia or outside the transport industry might not know that. Paul Roger DiRuscio wrote: > Thr sentence structure sounds just like all the scams I have seen, I > have never heard of ebay warrantying any type of sale (red flag) repeats > himself regarding your possible fears (red flag) > Wouldnt it cost a few thousand dollars to ship a tractor? > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts >>> I made a couple of phone calls and the best and fastest way I can >>> ship with is using TNT and it takes 5-6 days to arrive at your door. -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 23/03/2005 From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 24 21:37:22 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:37:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt In-Reply-To: <42433D60.4000604@imc-group.com> References: <42433D60.4000604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <1111729042.4243a3928fe8e@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Curt, Man that 6hp Goldfields sure has Waterloo / Robertsonville features. The fuel system is dead nuts identical! http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Australia2005%20283.jpg Great pics. Thanks for the PROMPT posting! 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Curt : > Hope you enjoy this side shaft heaven. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Thumbnails.html From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Thu Mar 24 22:58:07 2005 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:58:07 EST Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. Message-ID: <158.4d631435.2f75107f@aol.com> Gary that is virtually the same system that applies here in Oz. Our $15 / year insurance covers us 24 hours a day at any show or turnout that we attend wether or not we are negligent, a pretty good deal I would say. Local show orginisers may also take out insurance for that show only as well. Woody Peter Woodmore 27 Craig Ave Moorebank 2170 NSW Australia From nick at holden1.net Thu Mar 24 23:42:11 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 07:42:11 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] ebay scam alert - pass this onto tractor people-particularly in Oz where this guy seems to prey most... References: <4243A1DF.6010305@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <4243C0D3.000001.03820@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Its still TNT in the UK so maybe he is not in Oz at all Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4284455&a=31644863&f= -------Original Message------- From: Paul Pavlinovich Date: 03/25/05 05:57:08 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] ebay scam alert - pass this onto tractor people-particularly in Oz where this guy seems to prey most... Yes it would, and the shipping company he wants to use has not been called TNT for years - it is TOLL these days. Someone outside Australia or outside the transport industry might not know that. Paul Roger DiRuscio wrote: > Thr sentence structure sounds just like all the scams I have seen, I > have never heard of ebay warrantying any type of sale (red flag) repeats > himself regarding your possible fears (red flag) > Wouldnt it cost a few thousand dollars to ship a tractor? > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts >>> I made a couple of phone calls and the best and fastest way I can >>> ship with is using TNT and it takes 5-6 days to arrive at your door. -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 23/03/2005 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Mar 24 23:44:09 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 18:44:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <158.4d631435.2f75107f@aol.com> References: <158.4d631435.2f75107f@aol.com> Message-ID: <4243C149.70407@steamengine.com.au> $15? Don't you mean $12? Read the fine print - it does NOT cover you if you are negligent. Disbelieve? Ask your club secretary for the club copy of the insurance. It also only applies at events that a NHMA affiliated club organises or is explicitly invited to. Paul Peterwoodmore at aol.com wrote: > Gary > that is virtually the same system that applies here in Oz. Our $15 / year > insurance covers us 24 hours a day at any show or turnout that we attend wether > or not we are negligent, a pretty good deal I would say. Local show orginisers > may also take out insurance for that show only as well. > > Woody -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 23/03/2005 From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Mar 25 01:55:57 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:55:57 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Aussie Engine Ads References: <200503250239.j2P2d8ND080299@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <003701c53120$d92014c0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 2:39 AM Subject: [SEL] Aussie Engine Ads Snip > and this one is rare, an Australian Massey-Harris ad: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/mh1927.jpg Snip > Patrick M Livingstone Hi Patrick, I bet putting the "British Made" claim on that Advert upset some Canadians! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Mar 25 02:07:43 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 21:07:43 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Aussie Engine Ads In-Reply-To: <003701c53120$d92014c0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <200503251007.j2PA7hWF088436@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> It was a good way to get around import duties. In those days there was no duty on items made in the British Empire (or even the Commonwealth Nations). Ford shipped the Model Ts and As from Canada rather than from Detroit to skip the import duties :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Patrick, I bet putting the "British Made" claim on that Advert upset some Canadians! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From guitronics at comcast.net Fri Mar 25 02:42:24 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 05:42:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] john deere chop In-Reply-To: References: <001901c5309d$64d979e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <4243EB10.1070608@comcast.net> Pix are too dark for me to see all. John Culp wrote: > Sweet! > > John > > On Mar 24, 2005, at 1:14 PM, wrote: > >> everybodies building butt buggies >> http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1111417996.JPG >> tendency to push in the turns >> http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1111417910.JPG > > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Mar 25 04:47:41 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 07:47:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] john deere chop In-Reply-To: <4243EB10.1070608@comcast.net> References: <001901c5309d$64d979e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <4243EB10.1070608@comcast.net> Message-ID: <041946bae4efcdd819cb93a610c441d3@chartertn.net> Sounds like you're using a Windows PC with the monitor's gamma level adjusted to a different value than Chuck's picture is optimized for. I think the default one for Macs is 2.2, and his picture shows up fine on mine. I think the standard on older Windows systems was 1.8. I used to get lots of complaints about too-dark pictures when I'd post something but haven't heard much of that in a while, so I think they may have changed it. You can choose different gamma levels in your Monitors Control Panel. John On Mar 25, 2005, at 5:42 AM, guitronics wrote: > Pix are too dark for me to see all. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Mar 25 05:03:53 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:03:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: <4243566B.7040908@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Jack, It is air cooled with an aluminum piston. It is for a model I'm attempting to make. I have the bore close to finish size. The piston fits, but the rings don't fit yet. I put in a piston ring and can't quite get the ends to meet. The bore is too small yet so the ends of the ring overlap a bit. I need to hone it out about .015 inches I'm guessing. I'm using the end gap on the rings to determine what my finished bore size will need to be and how much I'll need to hone it. I've read a little on how to hone, but not sure what to use for cutting fluid. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================ >From: Jack Watson > >kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: > >>>Hi Luke. >>>This was taken from a past posting: >>> >>>"About .003-.005" per inch of bore is typically recommended." >>> >>> >>but 4 rhymes with bore >> >******* >Air cooled or water cooled? Aluminium or CI pistons? >Air cooled cylinders require a bit more clearance > >(OK - I know that old one - they are ALL air cooled, ultimately) > >Jack in Oz >******** From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Mar 25 06:41:46 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:41:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: References: <4243566B.7040908@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <2079.165.206.180.118.1111761706.squirrel@antique-engines.com> In college we used transmission fluid................. It's very high detergent. Bill > Hi Jack, > > It is air cooled with an aluminum piston. It is for a model I'm attempting > to make. I have the bore close to finish size. The piston fits, but the > rings don't fit yet. I put in a piston ring and can't quite get the ends > to > meet. The bore is too small yet so the ends of the ring overlap a bit. I > need to hone it out about .015 inches I'm guessing. I'm using the end gap > on > the rings to determine what my finished bore size will need to be and how > much I'll need to hone it. I've read a little on how to hone, but not sure > what to use for cutting fluid. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ================ > >>From: Jack Watson >> >>kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: >> >>>>Hi Luke. >>>>This was taken from a past posting: >>>> >>>>"About .003-.005" per inch of bore is typically recommended." >>>> >>>> >>>but 4 rhymes with bore >>> >>******* >>Air cooled or water cooled? Aluminium or CI pistons? >>Air cooled cylinders require a bit more clearance >> >>(OK - I know that old one - they are ALL air cooled, ultimately) >> >>Jack in Oz >>******** > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 25 06:59:30 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:59:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050325145930.60966.qmail@web14126.mail.yahoo.com> For honing, go down to the grocery and buy a can of Crisco cooking lard. Put a generous supply on the stones and the bore and keep adding as needed. Works great. I've honed 36" dia. cylinders with it.As an arternative, if you take a flat file you can cut the ends of the ring quite easly. Ron Luke Tonneberger wrote: Hi Jack, It is air cooled with an aluminum piston. It is for a model I'm attempting to make. I have the bore close to finish size. The piston fits, but the rings don't fit yet. I put in a piston ring and can't quite get the ends to meet. The bore is too small yet so the ends of the ring overlap a bit. I need to hone it out about .015 inches I'm guessing. I'm using the end gap on the rings to determine what my finished bore size will need to be and how much I'll need to hone it. I've read a little on how to hone, but not sure what to use for cutting fluid. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================ >From: Jack Watson > >kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: > >>>Hi Luke. >>>This was taken from a past posting: >>> >>>"About .003-.005" per inch of bore is typically recommended." >>> >>> >>but 4 rhymes with bore >> >******* >Air cooled or water cooled? Aluminium or CI pistons? >Air cooled cylinders require a bit more clearance > >(OK - I know that old one - they are ALL air cooled, ultimately) > >Jack in Oz >******** _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! From rwenig at telus.net Fri Mar 25 07:32:27 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:32:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42442F0B.3010507@telus.net> Hello Luke, Are you saying the piston already fits the cylinder bore? If so, then simply file the ends of the rings to get proper end gap clearance. Piston to cylinder wall clearance and the ring end gap are determined by the diameter of the bore and the temperature the engine operates at. It's been a long time since I've had to know this so any tables I have are buried deep. Kerosene is recommended in my books to use as a lubricant when cutting aluminum but I prefer to use WD40. Rupert Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Jack, > > It is air cooled with an aluminum piston. It is for a model I'm > attempting to make. I have the bore close to finish size. The piston > fits, but the rings don't fit yet. I put in a piston ring and can't > quite get the ends to meet. The bore is too small yet so the ends of the > ring overlap a bit. I need to hone it out about .015 inches I'm > guessing. I'm using the end gap on the rings to determine what my > finished bore size will need to be and how much I'll need to hone it. > I've read a little on how to hone, but not sure what to use for cutting > fluid. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ================ > >> From: Jack Watson >> >> kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: >> >>>> Hi Luke. >>>> This was taken from a past posting: >>>> >>>> "About .003-.005" per inch of bore is typically recommended." >>>> >>>> >>> but 4 rhymes with bore >>> >> ******* >> Air cooled or water cooled? Aluminium or CI pistons? >> Air cooled cylinders require a bit more clearance >> >> (OK - I know that old one - they are ALL air cooled, ultimately) >> >> Jack in Oz >> ******** > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri Mar 25 08:56:57 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:56:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Dogs on show grounds....Now Insurance in the U.S. In-Reply-To: <200503251100.j2PB06kw013562@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: > 12. Re: Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. (Curt) >Message: 12 >Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:59:56 -0500 >From: Curt >Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <4242D5EC.4050701 at imc-group.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Peter, >In the States there are no federal laws saying that a public event has >to be covered by liability insurance. To my knowledge there are no >states with such laws in place either. In fact some states have passed >laws stating that for many public events, the organizers cannot be held >liable for injuries. In particular equestrian events. > >In the States as a club (or an individual) you would be free to put on >an event without liability insurance. You are free to take your chances >that no one will be injured. You are free to take your chances that if >someone is injured they will not sue you. You are free to take your >chances that if you are sued, the jury will not award damages to the >injured, for which you or the club would be responsible. > >In my opinion, for any public event of any significant size one would be >nuts to assume such risk, but none the less you are FREE to make that >decision. > >Once one decides he needs to insure his public event, he contacts >several private insurance companies and requests quotes to provide >liability insurance. The one buying the insurance decides how much >insurance they wish to buy. If they want they can buy as little as >$100,000 of insurance. I'd venture a guess that many buy $1 million >dollar policies. > >For certain the agents selling the insurance know nothing about the >hobby and you will never see an insurance booth set up at a show. They >really don't care. They are simply assuming a risk for public injury for >a specific period of time, independent of the event. It could be a >concert, a car show, an engine show, etc. >The only hiccup was a few years ago after the Medina, OH steam traction >engine explosion. It was nearly impossible to purchase liability >insurance for the first couple of years after that accident if you were >going to have steam at your show. Now that all states are up to snuff >and have annual boiler inspections in place, the insurance companies are >beginning to insure shows that have steam again. > >What I gather has happened in Oz is that the insurance conglomerate has >lobbied your legislature to put into place laws that demand liability >insurance for all public events. Whether or not this was the best thing >for Oz is yet to be determined, but it is undeniable that it is a >collusive effort to extract dollars from each and every person, and to >spread the results of law suits amongst the entire populous. But that is >the essence of socialism isn't it! >Mind you this is not a slight against Oz. My observations of the >wonderful people of Oz is that everyone seems happy and content. >However, to someone with the _freedom_ to make the choice about >insurance, your system seems intrusive, coercive, and imposing. Everyone >in Oz shrugs this off saying it is only $15 a year, so what! It works >for you. It is simply a different system. > >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC You make some pretty good points here Curt. I like how you explained the differences between the way that it is done in OZ vs the way its done in the U.S. You are right that most shows go out an get liability insurance for their own protection. We rent the fairgrounds for the SIAM show. Part of the lease agreement is that SIAM must provide an insurance policy naming the fairgrounds as an additional insured. I want to give those of you seeking insurance a little tip. Single event insurance is expensive and difficult to get. It is easier & cheaper to get a policy that covers your club for all club activities for the entire year. I found this out last year when I had to find a new carrier for the SIAM show. Make sure that your agent knows that you are looking for a full year policy and not event insurance. I can't think of a reason a club wouldn't want the full year policy anyway. I also made the agent aware of all of the activities that we have. I told him about the sawmill, car show, tractor rodeo...... I didn't want there to be any "gottchas" if there were an accident. This year we will have a mock race featuring Model A racers as part of the car show. When the idea was presented I first called our insurance agent and cleared it through him. BTW. Curt, I wanted to clarify your point about boiler inspections. Not ALL states require boiler inspections. I know that there is no inspection required in IN and I don't think that KY has it either. Our neighbor to the west, IL, probably has the most throrough, state sponsored, inspection anywhere. I have reservations about government run inspections anyway. When was the last time that gov't did a better job of anything than a private entity would have. I will concede the activities of roadbuilding & law enforcement. The road building efforts near Evansville may prove me right though. Relying on gov't to tell us a boiler is safe breeds complacency. I shouldn't look to someone else to tell me that my machine is safe rather I should KNOW that it is through my own inspection. I feel that it is the responsibility of the of each show to make sure that the machines in attendance are safe. I don't think that you will find a better inspection program than the one used by the Pioneer Engineers at Rushville, IN. From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Mar 25 09:00:54 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:00:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: <42442F0B.3010507@telus.net> Message-ID: Hi Rupert, I have plenty of WD-40 so that is what I'll use for lube. The piston does fit in the bore but barely. I don't want to force it. I have just finished boring out the cylinder, but haven't honed yet. I'll hone as little as possible to remove the boring/tooling marks then file my rings to get the necessary gap (as was suggested off list). Thanks everyone. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =============== >From: Rupert Wenig > >Hello Luke, > Are you saying the piston already fits the cylinder bore? If so, then >simply file the ends of the rings to get proper end gap clearance. Piston >to cylinder wall clearance and the ring end gap are determined by the >diameter of the bore and the temperature the engine operates at. It's been >a long time since I've had to know this so any tables I have are buried >deep. > > Kerosene is recommended in my books to use as a lubricant when cutting >aluminum but I prefer to use WD40. > >Rupert > >Luke Tonneberger wrote: > >>Hi Jack, >> >>It is air cooled with an aluminum piston. It is for a model I'm attempting >>to make. I have the bore close to finish size. The piston fits, but the >>rings don't fit yet. I put in a piston ring and can't quite get the ends >>to meet. The bore is too small yet so the ends of the ring overlap a bit. >>I need to hone it out about .015 inches I'm guessing. I'm using the end >>gap on the rings to determine what my finished bore size will need to be >>and how much I'll need to hone it. I've read a little on how to hone, but >>not sure what to use for cutting fluid. >> >>Luke Tonneberger >>Rockford, Michigan >>USA From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri Mar 25 12:06:42 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:06:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine's Front End Loader Moved! Message-ID: <007301c53176$29924180$a65bef18@pengy> Our 45 year old Allis Chalmers front end loader was moved to the Tod Engine Heritage Park this morning, and after a few minor adjustments it will be ready to be put to work. Whenever I get on it and rev up the engine I'm all smiles from ear to ear! Here are a few pics: http://community.webshots.com/album/246422839lvbZwF Rick From mogul460 at localnet.com Fri Mar 25 14:54:35 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:54:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money Message-ID: <001201c5318d$9e820cc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Wasted Time - Wasted Money.. Several years ago I read an article in the Dallas,TX Morning News regarding automotive repair shops. It stated that due to improper trouble shooting owners were spending thousands of dollars for repairs and parts that were not needed and did not fix the problem Being a Technical Representative for Rockwell International on the Sabreliner Business Jet and chasing them around the world for 30 years I saw this problem repeated many times. Thousands of hours and thousands of dollars spent on parts and labor not needed..Having spent time in the hospital the past few months I also saw this same problem repeated many times. One fellow was scheduled for an operation on his leg arteries due to poor circulation in his legs. It turned out to be blockage in his heart arteries which they installed stints.No guys I am not older than Dave and I am sure we have all experienced the same problem. How lucky us engine guys are to have the SEL and Internet to discuss our problems with before we spend a lot un-necessary time and money on parts not needed.. From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Mar 25 14:11:12 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:11:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine's Front End Loader Moved! In-Reply-To: <007301c53176$29924180$a65bef18@pengy> References: <007301c53176$29924180$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <7c5334e3056cd59f6f36cfbf5ea6384b@chartertn.net> That's great, Rick! John On Mar 25, 2005, at 3:06 PM, Tod Engine wrote: > Our 45 year old Allis Chalmers front end loader was moved to the Tod > Engine Heritage Park this morning, and after a few minor adjustments > it will be ready to be put to work. > > Whenever I get on it and rev up the engine I'm all smiles from ear to > ear! > > Here are a few pics: > http://community.webshots.com/album/246422839lvbZwF > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jbcast at charter.net Fri Mar 25 15:07:58 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 23:07:58 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money Message-ID: <3rr9ri$q266rt@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net> > > Wasted Time - Wasted Money.. Several years ago I read an article in the Dallas,TX Morning News > regarding automotive repair shops. It stated that due to improper trouble shooting owners were > spending thousands of dollars for repairs and parts that were not needed and did not fix the problem<<< When a customer come into my shop with a list of expensive parts he's changed and tells me he's still having the same problem I tell him "sounds like you can't afford to save any more money". J.B. Castagnos From jbcast at charter.net Fri Mar 25 15:10:43 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 23:10:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine's Front End Loader Moved! Message-ID: <3rb42s$no57hf@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> > > On Mar 25, 2005, at 3:06 PM, Tod Engine wrote: > > > Our 45 year old Allis Chalmers front end loader was moved to the Tod > > Engine Heritage Park this morning, and after a few minor adjustments > > it will be ready to be put to work. > > > > Whenever I get on it and rev up the engine I'm all smiles from ear to > > ear! No use getting a boy to do a mans job Rick, looks like you're ready. J.B. Castagnos From toadhill at aeroinc.net Fri Mar 25 15:43:39 2005 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:43:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Curt Holland's Photos Message-ID: <006a01c53194$78f26700$1dcc940c@mcness.com> Nice pictures Curt. Thanks, Joe Maurer Toadhillfarm From rustyiron at bigpond.com Fri Mar 25 04:25:40 2005 From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:25:40 +0800 Subject: [SEL] ebay scam alert - pass this onto tractor people- particularly in Oz where this guy seems to prey most... References: <42436537.7040509@steamengine.com.au><007c01c530f3$89043e30$54c97043@D6R3D961> <4243A1DF.6010305@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <002801c53135$d7d7d0c0$b0c0fea9@ibmbnh186c> Hi Paul, I'm living about 500km south of Onslow by road or 100km by sea, and I've asked about the address, the two blokes I asked don't know of it. Onslow is a black town (you know what I mean Paul) but because of the resent Gas finds in the area house and land prices are going through the roof. I still have a TNT account as well as a TOLL account for freight up here, but it's very exspencive, I tried to ship a Lathe from Sydney last month, but when I got the quote I thought they were selling me a 1/2 share in the truck. There are a few of these items on eBay, have you seen the one's about the JD Ride on Mowers, new for only $150. Andy...... Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ebay scam alert - pass this onto tractor people- particularly in Oz where this guy seems to prey most... > Yes it would, and the shipping company he wants to use has not been > called TNT for years - it is TOLL these days. Someone outside Australia > or outside the transport industry might not know that. > > Paul From rwenig at telus.net Fri Mar 25 16:38:59 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:38:59 -0700 Subject: Engine model: was Re: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4244AF23.6090403@telus.net> Hello Luke, I meant to ask in my last post- What engine are you building? What scale? Rupert Luke Tonneberger wrote: >>> Hi Jack, >>> >>> It is air cooled with an aluminum piston. It is for a model I'm >>> attempting to make. I have the bore close to finish size. The piston >>> fits, but the rings don't fit yet. I put in a piston ring and can't >>> quite get the ends to meet. The bore is too small yet so the ends of >>> the ring overlap a bit. I need to hone it out about .015 inches I'm >>> guessing. I'm using the end gap on the rings to determine what my >>> finished bore size will need to be and how much I'll need to hone it. >>> I've read a little on how to hone, but not sure what to use for >>> cutting fluid. >>> >>> Luke Tonneberger >>> Rockford, Michigan >>> USA > > From guitronics at comcast.net Fri Mar 25 17:24:15 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:24:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4244B9BF.10504@comcast.net> I'd use a "Bottle Washer" type of hone,much simpler and easier to use than the standard "Stone"type. Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Rupert, > > I have plenty of WD-40 so that is what I'll use for lube. The piston > does fit in the bore but barely. I don't want to force it. I have > just finished boring out the cylinder, but haven't honed yet. I'll > hone as little as possible to remove the boring/tooling marks then > file my rings to get the necessary gap (as was suggested off list). > Thanks everyone. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > =============== > >> From: Rupert Wenig >> >> Hello Luke, >> Are you saying the piston already fits the cylinder bore? If so, >> then simply file the ends of the rings to get proper end gap >> clearance. Piston to cylinder wall clearance and the ring end gap are >> determined by the diameter of the bore and the temperature the engine >> operates at. It's been a long time since I've had to know this so any >> tables I have are buried deep. >> >> Kerosene is recommended in my books to use as a lubricant when >> cutting aluminum but I prefer to use WD40. >> >> Rupert >> >> Luke Tonneberger wrote: >> >>> Hi Jack, >>> >>> It is air cooled with an aluminum piston. It is for a model I'm >>> attempting to make. I have the bore close to finish size. The piston >>> fits, but the rings don't fit yet. I put in a piston ring and can't >>> quite get the ends to meet. The bore is too small yet so the ends of >>> the ring overlap a bit. I need to hone it out about .015 inches I'm >>> guessing. I'm using the end gap on the rings to determine what my >>> finished bore size will need to be and how much I'll need to hone >>> it. I've read a little on how to hone, but not sure what to use for >>> cutting fluid. >>> >>> Luke Tonneberger >>> Rockford, Michigan >>> USA >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Mar 25 17:48:10 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:48:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Spindle Oil, Lathes & Hammonds Message-ID: <583dff9f9da2017fb189d469e4ed3d81@chartertn.net> I've been playing around with the old Hammond organ down at the church in the Sunday school classroom again today. The sound of those things is generated by spinning shafts with wheels on them, the wheels having teeth cut in their edge that rotate past magnetic pickups, producing a constant frequency for each number of teeth and RPM. Those frequencies are blended together by a drawbar control system to make the different tones of the organ. The shaft system is maintained at a constant speed by a synchronous motor, but it's not self-starting and is started by a shaded pole induction motor with a Bendix drive that engages a starting gear, much like an automotive starter. The Bendix drive was sticking on this and didn't seem to be loosening up since I lubricated the tone generator 2 months ago, so I took off the back cover, found the Bendix and put a few drops of ATF on the starter gear and the shaft it slides on. (Had the ATF handy.) Works like a champ now! That got me thinking again about the special Hammond tone generator oil. (I'd borrowed some back in January, and gave it back.) Hammond, like just about everybody else that's sold a car, motorcycle, chainsaw, weedeater, sewing machine, etc., claimed that only their oil could be used, and since they went out of business in the early '80s and Hammond-Suzuki which now owns the name doesn't have anything to do with the old ones, original Hammond oil has gotten to be an expensive item on eBay. The folks who work on Hammonds are true believers in the special nature of this oil and recommend nothing else. I just don't believe that Hammond would've actually had some custom formulated oil for that application, though. The tone generator is fundamentally a lathe, with sintered bronze bearings at each end and the middle of the three shafts. The main shaft rotates at 1800 RPM. (The two side shafts run at different speeds, but I'm not sure what they are.) There's no load on the shafts other than their own weight, and the whole tone generator assembly is very light. The oil is delivered to the bearings from a copper trough via capillary action through cotton threads, and the synchronous run motor is lubed through a felt pad. (Hammond techs think that that wick lubrication system is a unique design that demands a very special oil.) The Hammond oil is a very pale yellow color, a bit thinner than ATF but thicker than baby oil, and is very clingy to metal surfaces. I'll bet it's ISO 22 spindle oil, like this: http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMAKA=00254201 I notice somebody on eBay is selling an "8 year supply of Hammond tone generator oil," that is, a 4 oz. bottle, for a $10 starting bid or $15 "buy it now." It comes in a modern plastic bottle of a rather generic sort, and I'll bet that guy's bought a 5 gallon pail or 55 gallon drum of spindle oil and decanted it into those bottles. Sounds like a pretty good moneymaking racket to me! That spindle oil's really pretty reasonably priced and ought to be a useful general purpose lubricant wherever a light oil's needed. I stuck around and played on the Hammond a while, then slipped down to the choir room and tuned up the not-as-old all-electronic Thomas organ that was horribly out of tune. The oscillator tuning coils had frozen solidly in place, tight as Dick's hatband, but my old engine experience kept me from breaking anything. I applied some penetrating oil a month ago, and today all but one of the 12 coils were free, and that one happened to already be in tune! Not engines or stack music, but I've had a pretty good day mechanically! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Mar 25 17:47:29 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:47:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap References: <4244B9BF.10504@comcast.net> Message-ID: <014a01c531a9$989bab60$0301a8c0@Reg> I hate to tell you this but you are using a 'deglazer' It is NOT an accurate hone. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "guitronics" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap > I'd use a "Bottle Washer" type of hone,much simpler and easier to use > than the standard "Stone"type. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Mar 25 22:46:47 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:46:47 +1100 Subject: [SPAM 1.5 (+)] Re: [SEL] ebay scam alert - pass this onto tractor people- particularly in Oz where this guy seems to prey most... In-Reply-To: <002801c53135$d7d7d0c0$b0c0fea9@ibmbnh186c> References: <42436537.7040509@steamengine.com.au><007c01c530f3$89043e30$54c97043@D6R3D961> <4243A1DF.6010305@steamengine.com.au> <002801c53135$d7d7d0c0$b0c0fea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <42450557.4000402@steamengine.com.au> I think those mowers have been removed now. Seems ebay are certainly on to this guy but not quite able to keep up with him. Paul Andy wrote: > Hi Paul, I'm living about 500km south of Onslow by road or 100km by sea, and > I've asked about the address, the two blokes I asked don't know of it. > Onslow is a black town (you know what I mean Paul) but because of the resent > Gas finds in the area house and land prices are going through the roof. I > still have a TNT account as well as a TOLL account for freight up here, but > it's very exspencive, I tried to ship a Lathe from Sydney last month, but > when I got the quote I thought they were selling me a 1/2 share in the > truck. There are a few of these items on eBay, have you seen the one's about > the JD Ride on Mowers, new for only $150. > Andy...... > > Andy Nicholson > Exmouth W.A. > Oz. > rustyiron at bigpond.com > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.3 - Release Date: 25/03/2005 From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Mar 25 22:56:58 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:56:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] RE: Dogs on show grounds....Now Insurance in the U.S. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424507BA.2030707@steamengine.com.au> Andy, I don't know of any laws stating you have to have public liability insurance (I'm happy to stand corrected on this) so I suspect our bodies choose to insure. There is absolutely nothing making a club or an individual insure with the NHMA - our club does have some uninsured financial members - they just cannot go in the compounds, but they don't want to. It is also the same here that the government (at least the Victorian state government) has assumed responsibility legally for some events which simply cannot afford their own insurance and would otherwise dissappear. The organisers of an event are the ones who have to decide for the event as a whole and they may enforce insurance, some even want to inspect a certificate of insurance. Personally I would not be without the insurance and am happy to pay the $12 (not $15 as was stated in your note). It is a very small price to pay for the lifting of that particular burden. We are free to not be insured if we so choose, you will not be able to exhibit at most events but there are exceptions to this too. Some events have their own insurance and do not require exhibitors to be insured. Really a lot of fuss is made over nothing. We have not lost anything. By and large we run our rallies the way we want to - most clubs operate quite safely as the majority of our rules are simply common sense. The National is a little different because you have so many people there (it is still nothing on the scale of the big US shows but it is big for our standards). Other large rallies who do not have NHMA (e.g. Echuca) still operate under the same rules as the NHMA because it makes sense to do so. Even Puffing Billy Railway (which has no affilitation with NHMA) uses the NHMA rules for events (e.g. Olde Time Festival and Emerald Winterfest) because it makes sense to do so. Paul Andy Glines wrote: >> In the States there are no federal laws saying that a public event has >> to be covered by liability insurance. To my knowledge there are no >> states with such laws in place either. In fact some states have passed >> laws stating that for many public events, the organizers cannot be held >> liable for injuries. In particular equestrian events. -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.3 - Release Date: 25/03/2005 From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 26 03:27:42 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:27:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Boort Auction Report Message-ID: Hi All, just returned home from Boort auction . It was an interesting sale with some very desirable engines up for sale, these included jelbart,hornsby,austral,blackstone and the usual more common varieties. Adam and myself left Warrnambool at 4am for the 4hr drive up to Boort. We arrived at 8am to find nothing was even setout for the 10am start but it wasn't long before the engines came rolling in. But it still took them until 10.30am before the sale got under way. here is a list of what the better engines sold for - 14hp Jelbart $13100.00, 6hp coffin type Hornsby $6900.00, 6hp Blackstone $5400.00, 6hp Austral $5500.00 with the others bringing from $100.00 up to $1300.00.Three transports sold for $150.00 up to $260.00. We came home fairly light ,i purchased one of the transports. A good day in engine world. Dave _________________________________________________________________ It's easy to send photos with Hotmail. Click here to find out how: http://www.imagine-msn.com/Hotmail/Post/Communicate/SendPhotos.aspx From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 26 03:42:35 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:42:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt In-Reply-To: <1111729042.4243a3928fe8e@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Hi Arnie, the Goldfield was a copy of the Armstrong.i have an armsrtong but the carb setup is totally different. Dave in oz >From: fero_ah at city-net.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt >Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:37:22 -0500 > >Hi Curt, > >Man that 6hp Goldfields sure has Waterloo / Robertsonville features. The >fuel >system is dead nuts identical! >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Australia2005%20283.jpg > >Great pics. Thanks for the PROMPT posting! 8-)) > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Curt : > > > Hope you enjoy this side shaft heaven. > > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Thumbnails.html > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Update your mobile with a hot polyphonic ringtone: http://fun.mobiledownloads.com.au/191191/index.wl?page=191191polyphonicringtone From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 26 06:04:28 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:04:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money (OT) In-Reply-To: <001201c5318d$9e820cc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <001201c5318d$9e820cc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: So Charlie, tell us... Were any goats sacrificed before they did your tune-up and mag work? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Fri, 25 Mar 2005, Charles R Bryant wrote: > Wasted Time - Wasted Money.. Several years ago I read an article in the Dallas,TX Morning News > regarding automotive repair shops. It stated that due to improper trouble shooting owners were > spending thousands of dollars for repairs and parts that were not needed and did not fix the problem > Being a Technical Representative for Rockwell International on the Sabreliner Business Jet > and chasing them around the world for 30 years I saw this problem repeated many times. > Thousands of hours and thousands of dollars spent on parts and labor not needed..Having > spent time in the hospital the past few months I also saw this same problem repeated many times. > One fellow was scheduled for an operation on his leg arteries due to poor circulation in his legs. > It turned out to be blockage in his heart arteries which they installed stints.No guys I am not older > than Dave and I am sure we have all experienced the same problem. How lucky us engine guys are > to have the SEL and Internet to discuss our problems with before we spend a lot un-necessary > time and money on parts not needed.. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 26 06:11:22 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:11:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money References: <3rr9ri$q266rt@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <002601c5320d$b1454e00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> "sounds like you can't afford to save any more money". I keep some of these on the counter . http://www.creativedice.com/images/OpenBox-orderpg.jpg From mogul460 at localnet.com Sat Mar 26 06:35:23 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:35:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money (OT) References: <001201c5318d$9e820cc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <000701c53211$0b262810$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money (OT) Arnie - You know that damn airplane is still flying and never had an accident. Charlie > So Charlie, tell us... Were any goats sacrificed before they did your > tune-up and mag work? 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/2005 From don.h at wcoil.com Sat Mar 26 06:52:14 2005 From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:52:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Spindle Oil, Lathes & Hammonds References: <583dff9f9da2017fb189d469e4ed3d81@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <007e01c53213$662e3980$04000100@shuttle> Hi bro John Gee tnx fer the info on the hammon My son has 3 of them and thats sounds just like the thing it needs as it doesn"t want to spool up.. I just got my Prius on tuesday lot of fun to drive now I just go to the Shell robbers once a week and use there window washer stuff to clean the windows and tell em Ill be back to get my 10 gallens of fuel in a couple weeks. Don on ohio From toadhill at aeroinc.net Sat Mar 26 07:12:39 2005 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:12:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gas Engines and Steam Tractors Message-ID: <001401c53216$416a9320$18cd940c@mcness.com> While I'm starting the discussion with steam tractors, it does work down to gas engines. Steam boilers don't blow up steam boilers, operators do. Had four steam tractors in the state of Illinois (talk about stupid). The inspections can be tough. On the other hand, the state of Minnesota requires the operator be licensed. We were licensed steam engineers 2nd class in the state of Minnesota and that makes much more sense. ANYWAY, the steam engines became such a pain in the rear that I went back to GAS ENGINES and enjoy life much more than before!! Joe Maurer Toadhill Farm From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Mar 26 07:24:36 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:24:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money (OT)/Now Goat Blood In-Reply-To: <000701c53211$0b262810$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <001201c5318d$9e820cc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> <000701c53211$0b262810$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050326102257.0f051c48@mail.alltel.net> And my 9 HP Galloway is still running! Great thing those bloody hand prints! Dave >Arnie - You know that damn airplane is still flying and never had an accident. > >Charlie > >>So Charlie, tell us... Were any goats sacrificed before they did your >>tune-up and mag work? 8-)) >> >>See ya, Arnie From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 26 07:38:35 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:38:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER Message-ID: Now THAT is one cool toy!!! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- View this Item on eBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6165746045 ----------------------------------------------------------------- GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER ( electric motor or steam) MODEL AS SEEN AND USED BY FRED DIBNAH ON TELEVISION Item number: 6165746045 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Starting bid: GBP?500.00 (Approximately?US $935.48) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Summary Removed from forge in good working order at the end of February 2005. Will only require minor fettling on installation. Flat belt driven. Could be powered either by electric motor or steam. From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Mar 26 07:53:02 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:53:02 EST Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine's Front End Loader Moved! Message-ID: <105.5d91160e.2f76df5e@aol.com> In a message dated 3/25/2005 3:49:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, todengine at zoominternet.net writes: << Our 45 year old Allis Chalmers front end loader was moved to the Tod Engine Heritage Park >> Rick, That is a nice machine to have around! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Mar 26 07:55:04 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:55:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Gas Engines and Steam Tractors In-Reply-To: <001401c53216$416a9320$18cd940c@mcness.com> References: <001401c53216$416a9320$18cd940c@mcness.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050326105036.0f090a70@mail.alltel.net> >ANYWAY, the steam engines became such a pain in the rear that I went back >to GAS ENGINES and enjoy life much more than before!! >Joe Maurer >Toadhill Farm Hi Joe, Am I correct in thinking that you believe that the internal combustion engine will "catch on" (ie be accepted by the public at large) and that steam power will soon be a thing of the past? Dave From guitronics at comcast.net Sat Mar 26 08:03:14 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:03:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: <014a01c531a9$989bab60$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <4244B9BF.10504@comcast.net> <014a01c531a9$989bab60$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <424587C2.3000803@comcast.net> OK.I can respect your opinion.Then again, the only accurate hone would be 3 stones spring-or-gravity 'loaded' on a precision lathe. Reg Ingold wrote: >I hate to tell you this but you are using a 'deglazer' >It is NOT an accurate hone. >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "guitronics" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:24 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap > > > > >>I'd use a "Bottle Washer" type of hone,much simpler and easier to use >>than the standard "Stone"type. >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From guitronics at comcast.net Sat Mar 26 08:07:43 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:07:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Spindle Oil, Lathes & Hammonds In-Reply-To: <583dff9f9da2017fb189d469e4ed3d81@chartertn.net> References: <583dff9f9da2017fb189d469e4ed3d81@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <424588CF.4040308@comcast.net> Man, if that Hammond is a "B3" it's worth a fortune.I'd contact AMSOIL and ask 'em what kind of oil to use....they'll know. John Culp wrote: > I've been playing around with the old Hammond organ down at the church > in the Sunday school classroom again today. The sound of those things > is generated by spinning shafts with wheels on them, the wheels having > teeth cut in their edge that rotate past magnetic pickups, producing a > constant frequency for each number of teeth and RPM. Those frequencies > are blended together by a drawbar control system to make the different > tones of the organ. The shaft system is maintained at a constant speed > by a synchronous motor, but it's not self-starting and is started by a > shaded pole induction motor with a Bendix drive that engages a > starting gear, much like an automotive starter. The Bendix drive was > sticking on this and didn't seem to be loosening up since I lubricated > the tone generator 2 months ago, so I took off the back cover, found > the Bendix and put a few drops of ATF on the starter gear and the > shaft it slides on. (Had the ATF handy.) Works like a champ now! > > That got me thinking again about the special Hammond tone generator > oil. (I'd borrowed some back in January, and gave it back.) Hammond, > like just about everybody else that's sold a car, motorcycle, > chainsaw, weedeater, sewing machine, etc., claimed that only their oil > could be used, and since they went out of business in the early '80s > and Hammond-Suzuki which now owns the name doesn't have anything to do > with the old ones, original Hammond oil has gotten to be an expensive > item on eBay. The folks who work on Hammonds are true believers in the > special nature of this oil and recommend nothing else. I just don't > believe that Hammond would've actually had some custom formulated oil > for that application, though. The tone generator is fundamentally a > lathe, with sintered bronze bearings at each end and the middle of the > three shafts. The main shaft rotates at 1800 RPM. (The two side shafts > run at different speeds, but I'm not sure what they are.) There's no > load on the shafts other than their own weight, and the whole tone > generator assembly is very light. The oil is delivered to the bearings > from a copper trough via capillary action through cotton threads, and > the synchronous run motor is lubed through a felt pad. (Hammond techs > think that that wick lubrication system is a unique design that > demands a very special oil.) The Hammond oil is a very pale yellow > color, a bit thinner than ATF but thicker than baby oil, and is very > clingy to metal surfaces. I'll bet it's ISO 22 spindle oil, like this: > http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMAKA=00254201 > > I notice somebody on eBay is selling an "8 year supply of Hammond tone > generator oil," that is, a 4 oz. bottle, for a $10 starting bid or $15 > "buy it now." It comes in a modern plastic bottle of a rather generic > sort, and I'll bet that guy's bought a 5 gallon pail or 55 gallon drum > of spindle oil and decanted it into those bottles. Sounds like a > pretty good moneymaking racket to me! > > That spindle oil's really pretty reasonably priced and ought to be a > useful general purpose lubricant wherever a light oil's needed. > > I stuck around and played on the Hammond a while, then slipped down to > the choir room and tuned up the not-as-old all-electronic Thomas organ > that was horribly out of tune. The oscillator tuning coils had frozen > solidly in place, tight as Dick's hatband, but my old engine > experience kept me from breaking anything. I applied some penetrating > oil a month ago, and today all but one of the 12 coils were free, and > that one happened to already be in tune! > > Not engines or stack music, but I've had a pretty good day mechanically! > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gwaugh at wowway.com Sat Mar 26 08:21:47 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:21:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503261621.j2QGLk506319@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Arnie, you have "contacts" "over there"; why not make arrangements to have it picked up? And maybe to charter the Queen Mary to bring it over. Sure would make a slick display---after you got that new tow truck! Gene -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 9:39 AM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER Now THAT is one cool toy!!! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- View this Item on eBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6165746045 ----------------------------------------------------------------- GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER ( electric motor or steam) MODEL AS SEEN AND USED BY FRED DIBNAH ON TELEVISION Item number: 6165746045 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Starting bid: GBP?500.00 (Approximately?US $935.48) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Summary Removed from forge in good working order at the end of February 2005. Will only require minor fettling on installation. Flat belt driven. Could be powered either by electric motor or steam. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gwaugh at wowway.com Sat Mar 26 08:32:52 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:32:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gas Engines and Steam Tractors In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050326105036.0f090a70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200503261632.j2QGWot12238@pop-6.dnv.wideopenwest.com> >ANYWAY, the steam engines became such a pain in the rear that I went back >to GAS ENGINES and enjoy life much more than before!! >Joe Maurer >Toadhill Farm Hi Joe, Am I correct in thinking that you believe that the internal combustion engine will "catch on" (ie be accepted by the public at large) and that steam power will soon be a thing of the past? Dave Hi Dave, I bet that steam will be dead by the middle of the century! Gene From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 08:33:03 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:33:03 +0000 Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f602516050326083348c7d23a@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:38:35 -0500 (EST), Arnie Fero wrote: > Now THAT is one cool toy!!! Somewhat over the top with description AND pricing. You could probably still pick one up in the Midalnds around Brum for scrap price. The depot we collected the Beaver Turret Mill from had a couple of those, do you want me to ship one over to PA?? :-)) Good luck to the guy, but I doubt he'll fetch anything for it. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 26 08:58:40 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:58:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER In-Reply-To: <200503261621.j2QGLk506319@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> References: <200503261621.j2QGLk506319@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: Gene, I gave that beast long, serious consideration before posting it to the list. 8-)) Like I said, that is one COOL toy! See ya, Arnie On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, Gene Waugh wrote: > Arnie, you have "contacts" "over there"; why not make arrangements to have > it picked up? And maybe to charter the Queen Mary to bring it over. Sure > would make a slick display---after you got that new tow truck! From garyepps at fidnet.com Sat Mar 26 08:55:29 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:55:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER In-Reply-To: <200503261621.j2QGLk506319@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> References: <200503261621.j2QGLk506319@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <42459401.3020800@fidnet.com> Is there a new International pickup in Arnie's future? Gary Gene Waugh wrote: > Arnie, you have "contacts" "over there"; why not make arrangements to have > it picked up? And maybe to charter the Queen Mary to bring it over. Sure > would make a slick display---after you got that new tow truck! > > Gene > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 9:39 AM > To: Stationary Engine List > Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER > > Now THAT is one cool toy!!! > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > View this Item on eBay at > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6165746045 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER ( electric motor or steam) > MODEL AS SEEN AND USED BY FRED DIBNAH ON TELEVISION > Item number: 6165746045 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Starting bid: GBP 500.00 > (Approximately US $935.48) > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Summary > Removed from forge in good working order at the end of February 2005. > Will only require minor fettling on installation. > Flat belt driven. Could be powered either by electric motor or steam. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 26 09:06:38 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:06:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: <424587C2.3000803@comcast.net> References: <4244B9BF.10504@comcast.net> <014a01c531a9$989bab60$0301a8c0@Reg> <424587C2.3000803@comcast.net> Message-ID: I hate to be the one to break this to you, but the spring-loaded hones you describe are also just glaze breakers. They will not do a thing for out-of-round or tapered bores. Precision cylinder hones are rigid (like the Sunnen) and are damn expensive!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, guitronics wrote: > OK.I can respect your opinion.Then again, the only accurate hone would > be 3 stones spring-or-gravity 'loaded' on a precision lathe. > > Reg Ingold wrote: > > >I hate to tell you this but you are using a 'deglazer' > >It is NOT an accurate hone. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "guitronics" > > > >>I'd use a "Bottle Washer" type of hone,much simpler and easier to use > >>than the standard "Stone"type. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Mar 26 09:35:00 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:35:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER In-Reply-To: <6f602516050326083348c7d23a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200503261735.j2QHZ4xs077816@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Somewhat over the top with description AND pricing. You could probably > still pick one up in the Midalnds around Brum for scrap price. Hi Peter, As I've said before, you guys live in the land of milk and honey. Smaller trip hammers bring some pretty good jack here. Perhaps you could bring out a few next month and offer them up at the auction. Rob From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Mar 26 09:43:39 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:43:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER References: <200503261621.j2QGLk506319@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: Not the Goliath, but we see the "Little Giants" are here at auction occastionally. And there's a few at the Mt. shows. The last one at auction went for around 2500. Corky wants one bad and is in the process of outfitting his blacksmith shop. I have no clue where's he's going to build this shop...well maybe one clue:-)) Wife's lookin' at flooring for 5 rockets a square foot. Doesn't she know there's still old iron out there:-((( later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 9:58 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER > Gene, I gave that beast long, serious consideration before posting it to > the list. 8-)) Like I said, that is one COOL toy! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, Gene Waugh wrote: > > > Arnie, you have "contacts" "over there"; why not make arrangements to > > have > > it picked up? And maybe to charter the Queen Mary to bring it over. > > Sure > > would make a slick display---after you got that new tow truck! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Mar 26 09:50:54 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:50:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Spindle Oil, Lathes & Hammonds In-Reply-To: <007e01c53213$662e3980$04000100@shuttle> References: <583dff9f9da2017fb189d469e4ed3d81@chartertn.net> <007e01c53213$662e3980$04000100@shuttle> Message-ID: Don, your son likely knows this, but the tone generators need lubing annually. When the organs first came out they said 3 months, then decided that was too much. There are three cups on the back, at least of the M3 model I've been working on; I think some models have two. You're supposed to put in enough oil to fill the cups 3/4 full, but they're really funnels so you don't try to keep them full. The cups in the cover over the tone generator are funnels that drip into similar cup/funnels on the inside, right on the tone generator, and they drip into that copper trough I mentioned. From there the cotton threads wick it to the bearings. If the thing's stuck and won't turn over, there are a few likely fixes. It's actually quite unusual for either the start or run motors to burn out. Sometimes switches go bad and have to be replaced. More often, the bearings have gone dry from lack of oiling, and old oil may have gummed up in them. Fully oiling the thing and letting it sit for a week or so is the first thing to do. Find that Bendix drive I mentioned and put a little oil directly on it. Work the sliding gear back and forth to make sure it's free and oiled. If it's sticking, you'll hear the start motor whir and grind, but the tone generator never spools up. If the tone generator bearings are gummed up, after time for the oil to penetrate to the bearings you may have to give it a boost by hand to start it. On the left side of the generator looking from the back, there's a wheel attached to the main shaft. You can manipulate the start switch by reaching around from the back with the left hand while giving that wheel a shove with the right hand, turning it over the top toward the front of the organ. I had to do that with this M3 that hadn't been oiled in 5 years. Once it's going, let it run a while and it'll free itself up as long as it's got new, fresh oil in it. The normal starting drill is to hold the "Start" switch for about 8 seconds, continue holding it while flipping on the "Run" switch, then after about 4 more seconds the "Start" switch can be released. Turning on the "Run" switch turns on the amplifier. I'm still hunting for a Hammond of my own. The Loyal Bereans weren't doing anything with this one, of course, till I fixed it up, but now I think they've got somebody playing it. I'll be glad to maintain it as long as they're using it, but I may make 'em an offer for it at their next class meeting and see what they say. Found a guy out in St. Joseph, Missouri with an A-100 at a very reasonable asking price a while back, but he's been very slow responding and hasn't gotten back to me in weeks. I think he's out of the picture. Got a tantalizing report from a friend in a nearby music store of a little Pentecostal church that's maybe going to ditch their C3 with Leslies for a modern keyboard, but the only contact info I've got's a cell phone that's never answered and has no voice mail. Can't find any further info on the church anywhere. As for B3s, guitronics, yeah, they're cool. But they've gotten overpriced. C3s are identical, in a different style case. The A100 series has the innards of the B3 combined with the power amplifier and speakers of the Hammond FR40 tone cabinet in a spinet-like case, so it was a very practical organ for home use with limited space. They don't sell for nearly as much as B3s, because a lot of people don't know they're the same internally. The M3 spinet I'm working on is also similar in many ways to the B3 and others of the -3 series, but has fewer keys and pedals, has a built-in power amp and speaker for stand-alone use without a tone cabinet or Leslie, has no presets, and lacks the "foldback" connections that keep all the drawbars active on the higher notes by "folding back" to the harmonics of the same note an octave down. The M3's nicknamed the "Baby B3" because of its tonal similarities. It's popular to add foldback kits to the spinets, but it's a lot of work. Any of these things can be hooked to a Leslie, but Leslies have gotten pricey. Ebay's largely turned around the giving away or throwing away of these organs (and Leslies) that was so common till very recently. BTW, if you remember Booker T. & The M.G.s' "Green Onions," that was recorded with an M3, no Leslie. Remember Procol Harum's "Whiter Shade of Pale?" An M102 spinet. Keith Emerson used to get really rough with his M102, wrestling with it onstage, stabbing big knives into it, pulling it over on himself, throwing it offstage... The roadies reinforced the case with angle iron and put retainers on the tubes to keep them from jolting out, but the little Hammond kept right on playing for years. When he hit it big with Emerson, Lake and Palmer (who sold more albums than anyone else in the '70s), he went mainly to a C3 with Leslies and started supplementing it with a synth. John On Mar 26, 2005, at 9:52 AM, Don wrote: > Hi bro John > Gee tnx fer the info on the hammon My son has 3 of them and thats > sounds just like the thing it needs as it doesn"t want to spool up.. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 11:22:23 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:22:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: References: <4244B9BF.10504@comcast.net> <014a01c531a9$989bab60$0301a8c0@Reg> <424587C2.3000803@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605032611226a9c6914@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:06:38 -0500 (EST), Arnie Fero wrote: > I hate to be the one to break this to you, but the spring-loaded hones you > describe are also just glaze breakers. They will not do a thing for > out-of-round or tapered bores. Precision cylinder hones are rigid (like > the Sunnen) and are damn expensive!! > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero There is/was a precision honing company in Luton that we have used in the past, they certainly had some weird machinery there! They did all sorts of precision rifle-bore (cannon-bore?) type of stuff, but were always happy to help out with the occasional sideline job like a barrel off an engine. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 11:15:38 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:15:38 +0000 Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER In-Reply-To: <200503261735.j2QHZ4xs077816@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <6f602516050326083348c7d23a@mail.gmail.com> <200503261735.j2QHZ4xs077816@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605032611152da55780@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:35:00 -0800, Rob Skinner wrote: > > Somewhat over the top with description AND pricing. You could probably > > still pick one up in the Midalnds around Brum for scrap price. > > Hi Peter, > As I've said before, you guys live in the land of milk and honey. Smaller trip > hammers bring some pretty good jack here. Perhaps you could bring out a few > next month and offer them up at the auction. > > Rob Not quite! :-)) We do still have a lot of old machinery going for a song, as manufacturing is on the slide over here, just as it was in the USA a few years back. Anything in mechanical engineering seems to be just scrap value these days. Here is a typical example, posted in a local newspaper in the West of England: "LATHE. Colchester Student. Round top, gap bed , approx 30in between centres, 3+4 jaw chucks and steady. 3-phase , gwo. Mill. Bridgeport , 3 phase, power feed, gwo ?800 the pair. " At $US 1800.00 or so, that is not bad at all !! Plus the Beaver Turret mill we bought on ebay recently for ?500, that is very good considering that it's normal market value should be ?2500 or so. There is just no market now, so people like us who want a cheap bit of machinery are indeed in the land of milk and honey! Not far to go until we get on the big bird.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 11:19:09 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:19:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER In-Reply-To: References: <200503261621.j2QGLk506319@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605032611196e6edd33@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:43:39 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > Not the Goliath, but we see the "Little Giants" are here at auction > occastionally. And there's a few at the Mt. shows. The last one at auction > went for around 2500. Corky wants one bad and is in the process of > outfitting his blacksmith shop. I have no clue where's he's going to build > this shop...well maybe one clue:-)) > > Wife's lookin' at flooring for 5 rockets a square foot. Doesn't she know > there's still old iron out there:-((( > > later, > RickinMt. Ya gotta keep the domestic stuff under control, Rick! I have just spent most of last week's evenings and most of this Easter on refitting a kitchen... Jeez, that's all my spare engine time gone this month! :-(( Fortunately the Rushden Cavalcade has been moved on the calendar and also a new location, so Arnie won't see it in the mud-bath of old, it has moved 5 miles south just on the A6 road south of Rushden, slightly nearer to us, we live on the southern outskirts of town just off the same road. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Mar 26 12:24:40 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:24:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: <6f60251605032611226a9c6914@mail.gmail.com> References: <4244B9BF.10504@comcast.net> <014a01c531a9$989bab60$0301a8c0@Reg> <424587C2.3000803@comcast.net> <6f60251605032611226a9c6914@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <055c19f8e2a47bdbc0dc45b78a1e6b14@chartertn.net> Wonder if anybody's rifled an engine bore? Might be an interesting way to operate a rotary valve system. John > They did all sorts of precision rifle-bore (cannon-bore?) type of > stuff, but were always happy to help out with the occasional sideline > job like a barrel off an engine. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Mar 26 12:27:01 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:27:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Model collector Message-ID: <4245C595.7060709@earthlink.net> Hi all, Reply directly if you care to. Not on the lists. Jeff -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Touching base - Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 23:30:15 -0500 From: Reed Martin To: transteck at earthlink.net Hello. I live in the suburbs of Washington, D.C. Many years before the doctors and lawyers flooded the region, there were model engineering clubs which met regularly and held meetings and outings. I have the tether boat "WASP" which amazed the world when it turned 35 mph in 1935. Some years ago I also discovered a 30cc little single cylinder model gas engine built from "an Elmer Wall kit" in 1936. Over the past 25 years that first engine has led to my trying to locate examples of the many different designs which Mr. Elmer Wall pretty much thought up himself. The collection now numbers about 25 different patterns or pattern variations which he originated. A few never reached production and are "one-offs," and some are subtle variations. I am always looking for photos of Mr. Wall, stories, and contacts with anyone who owns an Elmer Wall model gas engine. Sincerely, Reed Martin reedbanjo at comcast.net -- Reed Martin 6431 79th Street Cabin John, Maryland 20818 301-229-3482 reedbanjo at comcast.net From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 26 12:31:25 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:31:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale In-Reply-To: <6f60251605032611196e6edd33@mail.gmail.com> References: <200503261621.j2QGLk506319@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> <6f60251605032611196e6edd33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > Fortunately the Rushden Cavalcade has been moved on the calendar and > also a new location, so Arnie won't see it in the mud-bath of old, it > has moved 5 miles south just on the A6 road south of Rushden, slightly > nearer to us, we live on the southern outskirts of town just off the > same road. What are their plans regarding the real ale festival that's been held in conjunction with the Rushden Cavalcade? In previous years, the "beer tent" was that gorgeous old barn and they had a truly mind boggling assortment of 40 or 50 different barrels of ale. As far as I was concerned the engine show was just a pleasent accompanyment to the ale tasting. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/arnie+steamer.jpg See ya, Arnie PS - Are you going to Tulare in April? From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Mar 26 13:30:05 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 07:30:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap References: <4244B9BF.10504@comcast.net><014a01c531a9$989bab60$0301a8c0@Reg> <424587C2.3000803@comcast.net> Message-ID: <009201c5324a$fc63e120$0301a8c0@Reg> My only reason for speaking was that Luke is working on a new bore and the type you use would NOT finish his bore correctly. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "guitronics" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap > OK.I can respect your opinion.Then again, the only accurate hone would > be 3 stones spring-or-gravity 'loaded' on a precision lathe. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Mar 26 13:24:03 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 07:24:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money References: <3rr9ri$q266rt@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net> <002601c5320d$b1454e00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <009101c5324a$fbff2be0$0301a8c0@Reg> Ha! I love it!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money > "sounds like you can't afford to save any more money". > > > > I keep some of these on the counter . > http://www.creativedice.com/images/OpenBox-orderpg.jpg > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sat Mar 26 13:45:39 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:45:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap References: <4244B9BF.10504@comcast.net> <014a01c531a9$989bab60$0301a8c0@Reg> <424587C2.3000803@comcast.net> <6f60251605032611226a9c6914@mail.gmail.com> <055c19f8e2a47bdbc0dc45b78a1e6b14@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <001b01c5324d$2704e530$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Hell of an Idea. You could then use the crancase vent system as a gass generator for a turbine.'-) Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap > Wonder if anybody's rifled an engine bore? > > Might be an interesting way to operate a rotary valve system. > > John > >> They did all sorts of precision rifle-bore (cannon-bore?) type of >> stuff, but were always happy to help out with the occasional sideline >> job like a barrel off an engine. > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.3 - Release Date: 3/25/2005 > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Mar 26 14:02:59 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:02:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Gas Engines and Steam Tractors In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050326105036.0f090a70@mail.alltel.net> References: <001401c53216$416a9320$18cd940c@mcness.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050326105036.0f090a70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4245DC13.6030907@steamengine.com.au> Laugh away Dave, There are still big steam engines in or near just about every major city or town. Where do you think your electricity comes from? :) Paul Dave Rotigel wrote: > > Hi Joe, > Am I correct in thinking that you believe that the internal > combustion engine will "catch on" (ie be accepted by the public at > large) and that steam power will soon be a thing of the past? > Dave -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.3 - Release Date: 25/03/2005 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 14:08:17 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:08:17 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale In-Reply-To: References: <200503261621.j2QGLk506319@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> <6f60251605032611196e6edd33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160503261408147fade2@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:31:25 -0500 (EST), Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Peter, > > On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > Fortunately the Rushden Cavalcade has been moved on the calendar and > > also a new location, so Arnie won't see it in the mud-bath of old, it > > has moved 5 miles south just on the A6 road south of Rushden, slightly > > nearer to us, we live on the southern outskirts of town just off the > > same road. > > What are their plans regarding the real ale festival that's been held in > conjunction with the Rushden Cavalcade? In previous years, the "beer > tent" was that gorgeous old barn and they had a truly mind boggling > assortment of 40 or 50 different barrels of ale. The old RHTS website has closed and they have a new address: http://www.cavalcade.org.uk/ > As far as I was concerned the engine show was just a pleasent > accompanyment to the ale tasting. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/arnie+steamer.jpg Beer varieties and prices for 2004 are here: http://www.cavalcade.org.uk/Beer.htm > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Are you going to Tulare in April? We booked the flight last September, so you could say we are going to Tulare! We are staying overnight at Visalia on the 16th and returning back to San Jose with Tim & Sally on the Sunday after the main day at the show. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 26 14:22:07 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:22:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money References: <3rr9ri$q266rt@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net><002601c5320d$b1454e00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <009101c5324a$fbff2be0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <004d01c53252$3f463540$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Ha! I love it!!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > I keep some of these on the counter . > > http://www.creativedice.com/images/OpenBox-orderpg.jpg I need to put them on the web I guess , the only guys that have bought them were techs . Monday there was a 16 YO with a 20YO BMW got washed up here I had him remove the water pump before I would sell him one because it " wouldnt pump" It was in fine shape . I handed him the blue die (cooling system) he rolled -radiator- and looked at me all wide eyed ( I had just told him the radiator was plugged up about 16 times) and he says ........... " REALLY ?!?!?!? "" "only if you get the same thing twice , roll again" Chuck Ps I still cant believe Charlie had to unsubscribe for a little thing like this From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 26 14:32:07 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:32:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER References: <200503261621.j2QGLk506319@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> <6f60251605032611196e6edd33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007501c53253$a511aac0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Ya gotta keep the domestic stuff under control, Rick! I have just > spent most of last week's evenings and most of this Easter on > refitting a kitchen... Jeez, that's all my spare engine time gone this > month! :-(( I trust you put all the plumbing on machined stand offs on the outside of the wall , plumbed in hard brass and polished to a Victorian standard of brilliance . From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Sat Mar 26 14:43:56 2005 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:43:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Famous Pinstriping Message-ID: Hi List, Was wondering if anyone has a clear photo or detail of the pinstriping for a horizontal tank cooled IHC Famous. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Lyndsay in OZ From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Mar 26 14:52:43 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:52:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: <001b01c5324d$2704e530$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> References: <4244B9BF.10504@comcast.net> <014a01c531a9$989bab60$0301a8c0@Reg> <424587C2.3000803@comcast.net> <6f60251605032611226a9c6914@mail.gmail.com> <055c19f8e2a47bdbc0dc45b78a1e6b14@chartertn.net> <001b01c5324d$2704e530$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Message-ID: <84a6c28ea043d7bd204f7f1ebbe51c73@chartertn.net> Beats having to run it all the way around through the exhaust system. Heck, you could probably do without any exhaust valves or ports! John On Mar 26, 2005, at 4:45 PM, Skip Cleveland wrote: > Hell of an Idea. You could then use the crancase vent system as a gass > generator for a turbine.'-) > Skip John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 26 15:00:04 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:00:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Neat! Tod engine's Allis-Chalmers loader Message-ID: <20050326230004.43439.qmail@web52709.mail.yahoo.com> Wow! That is a nice wheel loader! I wish I had one of those, too. The tires even look half-way decent! I can't tell from the photos if it has the 2-stroke 4-71 GMC/Detroit Diesel engine or the later 4-stroke Buda/Allis-Chalmers diesel. I have worked around both, but it was such a long time ago I can't remember exactly what they look like without seeing the air intake system. Which engine does it have? Work and play safely, Rich Allen From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 26 15:18:46 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:18:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT- Kool-Aid easy Easter Egg dye Message-ID: <20050326231846.41049.qmail@web52708.mail.yahoo.com> I forgot to get this out early this week. For those of you who do Easter egg hunts for the little future engine collectors, if you haven't made the dyed eggs yet, use Kool-Aid unsweetened drink mix. Mix one or two packets in a cup of warm water and dunk the hard boiled eggs in for a few seconds. The unsweetened drink mix has everything in it to dye the eggs just right, and besides that they smell great! Imagine that, grape or cherry flavored hard boiled eggs! Well, at least on the outside, the flavor doesn't reach the egg white and yolk inside and they still taste great with a little salt and pepper, or for making egg salad sandwiches. Of course, don't use the eggs after more than a few hours of being outside and wash them before peeling. Have fun with the little ones! From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat Mar 26 15:56:54 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 00:56:54 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Famous Pinstriping References: Message-ID: <000501c5325f$80336160$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Lyndsay, I can give some examples I have seen on Famous engines, but sofar I know they left the factory without any pinstriping. Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > Hi List, > Was wondering if anyone has a clear photo or detail of the > pinstriping for a horizontal tank cooled IHC Famous. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Regards, > Lyndsay in OZ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Mar 26 16:08:57 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:08:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Neat! Tod engine's Allis-Chalmers loader References: <20050326230004.43439.qmail@web52709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01c53261$2c0811b0$a65bef18@pengy> Rich, The engine is Allis Chalmers' own make. It runs great, give a squirt of ether in the intake and she fires right up. Its a model D-344. Today was my first real chance to run it and do some real work. I soon found that it had absolutely no brakes, so I set out to fix that. One of the brake lines needed replaced and the master cylinder bled. Its obvious that the master cylinder probably didn't get checked often, as you have to remove the floorboard in the cab to get to it! Not the best design IMO. Its also very uncomfortable to work on it, I had to work upside down much of the time. After getting the brakes to work I fired her up and started digging up some topsoil so I can put in gravel later. Everything works great and she has plenty of power but I still have alot of learning to do on the finer points of operation. The next project is to get all the dashboard gauges to function as well as the lights. Not too bad an investment figuring I paid half of scrap value for it. Rick Rowlands ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Allen" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 6:00 PM Subject: [SEL] Neat! Tod engine's Allis-Chalmers loader > Wow! That is a nice wheel loader! I wish I had one of those, too. The > tires even look half-way decent! I can't tell from the photos if it has > the 2-stroke 4-71 GMC/Detroit Diesel engine or the later 4-stroke > Buda/Allis-Chalmers diesel. I have worked around both, but it was such > a long time ago I can't remember exactly what they look like without > seeing the air intake system. Which engine does it have? > > Work and play safely, > > Rich Allen > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Mar 26 16:12:23 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:12:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What is Type C transmission Fluid? References: <3rb42s$no57hf@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <002701c53261$a6875270$a65bef18@pengy> The manual for our front end loader calls for Type C transmission fluid. I've never heard of it before. Can I just use regular hydraulic fluid? Thanks Rick From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Sat Mar 26 16:17:05 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:17:05 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Gas Engines and Steam Tractors In-Reply-To: <200503261632.j2QGWot12238@pop-6.dnv.wideopenwest.com> References: <200503261632.j2QGWot12238@pop-6.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <4245FB81.4000406@optusnet.com.au> Gene Waugh wrote: >>ANYWAY, the steam engines became such a pain in the rear that I went back >>to GAS ENGINES and enjoy life much more than before!! >>Joe Maurer >>Toadhill Farm >> >> > >Hi Joe, > Am I correct in thinking that you believe that the internal >combustion engine will "catch on" (ie be accepted by the public at large) >and that steam power will soon be a thing of the past? > Dave > >Hi Dave, > >I bet that steam will be dead by the middle of the century! > >Gene > >********** > > Just don't tell the power stations. Jack in Oz ********** From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Mar 26 16:45:59 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:45:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What is Type C transmission Fluid? In-Reply-To: <002701c53261$a6875270$a65bef18@pengy> References: <3rb42s$no57hf@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> <002701c53261$a6875270$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: Dexron III replaces the C series transmission fluids. Type C was an Allison specification. John On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:12 PM, Tod Engine wrote: > The manual for our front end loader calls for Type C transmission > fluid. I've never heard of it before. Can I just use regular hydraulic > fluid? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sat Mar 26 16:56:17 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:56:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] GAMTRA Swap Meet In-Reply-To: <84a6c28ea043d7bd204f7f1ebbe51c73@chartertn.net> Message-ID: I just got home from the third annual GAMTRA swap meet in Dallas N.C. It was a very successful swap meet for the club and myself. The weather cooperated although Curt seemed a little chilly in his shorts this morning till things warmed up a bit. I quickly sold out almost my entire truck load of treasure, Two carts, three sets of wheels, a pumpjack, post vise and various other rusty items rounded up from around my yard. However, the cash didn't make it home as I bought a set of trucks to go under my Foos. So..... One load sold another load brought home, Don't ya just hate swap meets, I usually bring more home than I took. Is this a disease or what? Any way , I had a blast and the list members there seemed to have a good day as well, Don't miss it for next year. See ya soon , Steve "Cloistered Oyster Brother" Royster > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sat Mar 26 17:00:19 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:00:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] GAMTRA Swap Meet In-Reply-To: <84a6c28ea043d7bd204f7f1ebbe51c73@chartertn.net> Message-ID: I just got home from the third annual GAMTRA swap meet in Dallas N.C. It was a very successful swap meet for the club and myself. The weather cooperated although Curt seemed a little chilly in his shorts this morning till things warmed up a bit. I quickly sold out almost my entire truck load of treasure, Two carts, three sets of wheels, a pumpjack, post vise and various other rusty items rounded up from around my yard. However, the cash didn't make it home as I bought a set of trucks to go under my Foos. So..... One load sold another load brought home, Don't ya just hate swap meets, I usually bring more home than I took. Is this a disease or what? Any way , I had a blast and the list members there seemed to have a good day as well, Don't miss it for next year. See ya soon , Steve "Cloistered Oyster Brother" Royster > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sat Mar 26 17:18:56 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:18:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER In-Reply-To: <6f602516050326083348c7d23a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Arnie, A Blacksmith friend of mine just found one here in the US almost identical to that one badged Little Giant Trip Hammer for near nothing and just finished re doing it.I'll get some pictures next trip over. Steve >> > Now THAT is one cool toy!!! > >Somewhat over the top with description AND pricing. You could probably >still pick one up in the Midalnds around Brum for scrap price. > >The depot we collected the Beaver Turret Mill from had a couple of >those, do you want me to ship one over to PA?? :-)) > >Good luck to the guy, but I doubt he'll fetch anything for it. > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Mar 26 17:49:33 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:49:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] GAMTRA Swap Meet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65fb8d0d7ff19fc4c508f0f76c2ef723@chartertn.net> > Steve "Cloistered Oyster Brother" Royster Just found this in an online dictionary: *********************** Definitions of roister: ? verb:?? engage in boisterous, drunken merry-making ********************** John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Mar 26 18:08:58 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:08:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale In-Reply-To: <6f6025160503261408147fade2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200503270209.j2R2909h099310@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Beer varieties and prices for 2004 are here: > > http://www.cavalcade.org.uk/Beer.htm Har har har!!! Did you read the rules? Lager drinkers can't even get served at the bar!!! From jbcast at charter.net Sat Mar 26 18:25:24 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 2:25:24 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap Message-ID: <3rr4ua$leh94p@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net> > > OK.I can respect your opinion.Then again, the only accurate hone would > > be 3 stones spring-or-gravity 'loaded' on a precision lathe. > > I have three Sunnen hones, a JR, an AN, and a ANhd. I also have an old Sunnen rod honing machine. These are precision pieces od equipment. When boring a cylinder I usually stop .002" small and hone to finish, starting with 100 grit and working up to the finish I want. On small engines if I'm only boring .010 or .020" I just use the hone, it goes pretty quick with the 100 grit dry. The bottle brush gives a nice looking finish but it doesn't do what a hone is supposed to do, remove the high spots. They're ok for a glaze breaker when re ringing. J.B. Castagnos From jbcast at charter.net Sat Mar 26 18:30:58 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 2:30:58 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Gas Engines and Steam Tractors Message-ID: <3rr89i$r7e0ps@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net> > >I bet that steam will be dead by the middle of the century! > > > >Gene > > > > >********** > > > > > Just don't tell the power stations. > > Jack in Oz > ********** > The older power plants used gas to make steam, steam drove turbines. Newer co-gen plants burn gas to drive a turbine like a jet engine, the waste heat is used to make steam for the manufacturing plants. It's said to be more efficient. J.B. Castagnos From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Mar 26 18:32:33 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:32:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What is Type C transmission Fluid? References: <3rb42s$no57hf@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net><002701c53261$a6875270$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <00bd01c53275$3b74cd00$a65bef18@pengy> Thanks John. The tranny gets topped off tommorrow with Dexron III. Just wanted to verify before I added anything. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What is Type C transmission Fluid? > Dexron III replaces the C series transmission fluids. Type C was an > Allison specification. > > John > > On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:12 PM, Tod Engine wrote: > >> The manual for our front end loader calls for Type C transmission fluid. >> I've never heard of it before. Can I just use regular hydraulic fluid? > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tilinghast at yahoo.com Sat Mar 26 18:42:41 2005 From: tilinghast at yahoo.com (David DeWitt) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:42:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ignition switch. Message-ID: <20050327024241.70953.qmail@web60308.mail.yahoo.com> Do any of the list members have any expertise in ignition switch removal ? My daughter has a 1989 Mazda p/u B2200 that wont let the key turn. It appears that something has jamed it up in the steering lock part. I pulled the column covers off tonight and took the electric switch off the back end of the switch but can't figure out how to take out the internal patrs. Looks like it has been riveted to the upper half where it goes around the steering column. Any help woud sure be appreciated. Dave. From rustyiron at bigpond.com Sun Mar 27 07:23:40 2005 From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 23:23:40 +0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ignition switch. References: <20050327024241.70953.qmail@web60308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d901c532e0$ff914220$b0c0fea9@ibmbnh186c> Hi Dave, I've never worked on a Mazda ign switch before but it sounds like any other I've worked on. Those "Rivets" should be what's left of the "Shear Bolts", use a centre punch and tap them undone, there may be four of them. With these removed I don't think you can remove the switch assemble while it's still in the locked position, but you just might get away with it. With the switch/lock all loose and hanging there try and unlock it while there is no pressure on the locking pawl. To remove the "Barrel & Key" from the Locking assemble, I think the Key has to be turned to the Acc position and a 1/16" drill bit pushed into a hole around the base of the lock, which should release the Barrel. Failing that remove the whole steering column place it on the bench, and cut the bastard off!, and trade it in on a Ford! Andy...... Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David DeWitt" To: Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 10:42 AM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ignition switch. > Do any of the list members have any expertise in ignition switch removal ? My daughter has a 1989 Mazda p/u B2200 that wont let the key turn. It appears that something has jamed it up in the steering lock part. I pulled the column covers off tonight and took the electric switch off the back end of the switch but can't figure out how to take out the internal patrs. Looks like it has been riveted to the upper half where it goes around the steering column. Any help woud sure be appreciated. > Dave. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Sat Mar 26 19:55:36 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:55:36 EST Subject: [SEL] New Find Message-ID: <1ef.38a48c98.2f7788b8@aol.com> Hi List, Today, I looked at a Fairbanks Morse ZC118 with radiator and fan, no magneto - stuck, 2 - IHC LBs (3-5HP)- both stuck, 1 - IHC LA (3-5)with cracked head - stuck, 2 Cushman Cubs (1 - 2HP/1 - 3HP), no magnetos, hopper cones missing - both stuck. All engines are weather worn. The only ones that I like are one of the LBs and one one of the Cubs. My question is what are fair west coast prices for these two engines. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sat Mar 26 20:51:11 2005 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:51:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050326224931.03acf3c0@mail.herculesengines.com> Arnie Here are some pictures of our 50lb Star trip hammer that we picked up at the Portland Swap meet a few years ago. Makes a nice racket when your working it. http://www.herculesengines.com/blacksmith/index.htm Keith At 09:38 AM 3/26/2005, you wrote: >Now THAT is one cool toy!!! > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >View this Item on eBay at >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6165746045 > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER ( electric motor or steam) >MODEL AS SEEN AND USED BY FRED DIBNAH ON TELEVISION >Item number: 6165746045 >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Starting bid: GBP 500.00 >(Approximately US $935.48) >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Summary >Removed from forge in good working order at the end of February 2005. >Will only require minor fettling on installation. >Flat belt driven. Could be powered either by electric motor or steam. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Mar 26 20:55:37 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:55:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ignition switch. References: <20050327024241.70953.qmail@web60308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: David..are the tires at an extreme left/right limit or up against the curb? My Toyota is like that sometimes and the steering wheel lock (ignition switch operated) gets jammed. Might try jacking it up or rocking it back and forth. Just a thot RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David DeWitt" To: Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 7:42 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ignition switch. > Do any of the list members have any expertise in ignition switch removal ? > My daughter has a 1989 Mazda p/u B2200 that wont let the key turn. It > appears that something has jamed it up in the steering lock part. I pulled > the column covers off tonight and took the electric switch off the back > end of the switch but can't figure out how to take out the internal patrs. > Looks like it has been riveted to the upper half where it goes around the > steering column. Any help woud sure be appreciated. > Dave. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Mar 26 20:59:25 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:59:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New Find Message-ID: <20050326.205927.1456.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Francis. With out seeing them, I would guess $100 to $150. A complete cub, running will only bring about $350, and an EK will set you back close to $200. Depending on the Hp. of the LB, about the same complete and running, the valve cover is going for about $50 to $60. A pulley for the LB is worth another $50. How bad do they call your name? Hope to see you at Tulare. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:55:36 EST FRM8198 at aol.com writes: > Hi List, > Today, I looked at a Fairbanks Morse ZC118 with radiator and fan, > no magneto > - stuck, 2 - IHC LBs (3-5HP)- both stuck, 1 - IHC LA (3-5)with > cracked head > - stuck, 2 Cushman Cubs (1 - 2HP/1 - 3HP), no magnetos, hopper > cones missing > - both stuck. All engines are weather worn. The only ones that I > like are > one of the LBs and one one of the Cubs. My question is what are > fair west > coast prices for these two engines. > > Francis Maciel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Mar 26 21:04:30 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:04:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New Find References: <1ef.38a48c98.2f7788b8@aol.com> Message-ID: Probably the best site in the west for price comparing thanks to our own George Best. http://www.irontrader.com/ Good Luck Francis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: [SEL] New Find > Hi List, > Today, I looked at a Fairbanks Morse ZC118 with radiator and fan, no > magneto > - stuck, 2 - IHC LBs (3-5HP)- both stuck, 1 - IHC LA (3-5)with cracked > head > - stuck, 2 Cushman Cubs (1 - 2HP/1 - 3HP), no magnetos, hopper cones > missing > - both stuck. All engines are weather worn. The only ones that I like > are > one of the LBs and one one of the Cubs. My question is what are fair > west > coast prices for these two engines. > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Mar 26 22:51:17 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:51:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale References: <200503270209.j2R2909h099310@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <018c01c53299$c18c2720$0301a8c0@Reg> Dunno if it is an engine event or a grand piss up!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 27 00:07:05 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:07:05 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale In-Reply-To: <200503270209.j2R2909h099310@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <6f6025160503261408147fade2@mail.gmail.com> <200503270209.j2R2909h099310@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605032700076f589925@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:08:58 -0800, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > Beer varieties and prices for 2004 are here: > > > > http://www.cavalcade.org.uk/Beer.htm > > Har har har!!! Did you read the rules? > Lager drinkers can't even get served at the bar!!! Too right, Mate! Lager is for wimps! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 27 00:08:48 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:08:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale In-Reply-To: <018c01c53299$c18c2720$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <200503270209.j2R2909h099310@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <018c01c53299$c18c2720$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <6f60251605032700087db70f73@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:51:17 +1000, Reg Ingold wrote: > Dunno if it is an engine event or a grand piss up!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. Both, but the society also has a Real Ale bar at their HQ which is the old Rushden railway station in town. So you can have a decent drink any time, it is open to non-society members. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 27 00:26:06 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:26:06 +0100 Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER In-Reply-To: <200503261735.j2QHZ4xs077816@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <6f602516050326083348c7d23a@mail.gmail.com> <200503261735.j2QHZ4xs077816@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160503270026616d3867@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:35:00 -0800, Rob Skinner wrote: > > Somewhat over the top with description AND pricing. You could probably > > still pick one up in the Midalnds around Brum for scrap price. > > Hi Peter, > As I've said before, you guys live in the land of milk and honey. Smaller trip > hammers bring some pretty good jack here. Perhaps you could bring out a few > next month and offer them up at the auction. > > Rob EXAMPLE: Here is a classic Monarch (USA) lathe, a big version at that, going for less than a couple of dollars: Ebay 7503006291 or if the line comes through in one piece: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64819&item=7503006291 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From guitronics at comcast.net Sun Mar 27 02:30:16 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 05:30:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: References: <4244B9BF.10504@comcast.net> <014a01c531a9$989bab60$0301a8c0@Reg> <424587C2.3000803@comcast.net> Message-ID: <42468B38.4030206@comcast.net> AHHHhhhhhhh:Now I understand what the folks down under were trying to tell me! Of course, you all are right.I replied to that after being awake for 26 hours, I shouldda known better! I know from reading Hot Rod, and Chevy Power, etc....on an automotive "Hot Street" application, they use a Torque plate(to simulate the head distortion) and , if I recall correctly : A Sunnen CK-10 Honing Machine. OOPS! My Bad! Thanks for straightening me out. Arnie Fero wrote: >I hate to be the one to break this to you, but the spring-loaded hones you >describe are also just glaze breakers. They will not do a thing for >out-of-round or tapered bores. Precision cylinder hones are rigid (like >the Sunnen) and are damn expensive!! > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, guitronics wrote: > > > >>OK.I can respect your opinion.Then again, the only accurate hone would >>be 3 stones spring-or-gravity 'loaded' on a precision lathe. >> >>Reg Ingold wrote: >> >> >> >>>I hate to tell you this but you are using a 'deglazer' >>>It is NOT an accurate hone. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "guitronics" >>> >>> >>> >>>>I'd use a "Bottle Washer" type of hone,much simpler and easier to use >>>>than the standard "Stone"type. >>>> >>>> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sun Mar 27 07:11:30 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 07:11:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ignition switch. In-Reply-To: <00d901c532e0$ff914220$b0c0fea9@ibmbnh186c> References: <20050327024241.70953.qmail@web60308.mail.yahoo.com> <00d901c532e0$ff914220$b0c0fea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050327070941.01aa17e0@mail.pennswoods.net> Yea trade it on a ford and then you will have half ford and half Mazda. With a little china man threw in. R Fink PA At 07:23 AM 3/27/2005, you wrote: >Hi Dave, I've never worked on a Mazda ign switch before but it sounds like >any other I've worked on. Those "Rivets" should be what's left of the "Shear >Bolts", use a centre punch and tap them undone, there may be four of them. >With these removed I don't think you can remove the switch assemble while >it's still in the locked position, but you just might get away with it. With >the switch/lock all loose and hanging there try and unlock it while there is >no pressure on the locking pawl. To remove the "Barrel & Key" from the >Locking assemble, I think the Key has to be turned to the Acc position and a >1/16" drill bit pushed into a hole around the base of the lock, which should >release the Barrel. Failing that remove the whole steering column place it >on the bench, and cut the bastard off!, and trade it in on a Ford! >Andy...... > >Andy Nicholson >Exmouth W.A. >Oz. >rustyiron at bigpond.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David DeWitt" >To: >Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 10:42 AM >Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ignition switch. > > > > Do any of the list members have any expertise in ignition switch removal ? >My daughter has a 1989 Mazda p/u B2200 that wont let the key turn. It >appears that something has jamed it up in the steering lock part. I pulled >the column covers off tonight and took the electric switch off the back end >of the switch but can't figure out how to take out the internal patrs. Looks >like it has been riveted to the upper half where it goes around the steering >column. Any help woud sure be appreciated. > > Dave. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Mar 26 20:45:21 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:45:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New Find In-Reply-To: <1ef.38a48c98.2f7788b8@aol.com> Message-ID: <200503271233.j2RCXnLB043605@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Francis, With all due respect, start at $.04 a LB. Sometimes it better to walk away from a deal. Cya at Tulare. Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of FRM8198 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 7:56 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] New Find Hi List, Today, I looked at a Fairbanks Morse ZC118 with radiator and fan, no magneto - stuck, 2 - IHC LBs (3-5HP)- both stuck, 1 - IHC LA (3-5)with cracked head - stuck, 2 Cushman Cubs (1 - 2HP/1 - 3HP), no magnetos, hopper cones missing - both stuck. All engines are weather worn. The only ones that I like are one of the LBs and one one of the Cubs. My question is what are fair west coast prices for these two engines. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From guitronics at comcast.net Sun Mar 27 02:42:33 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 05:42:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Spindle Oil, Lathes & Hammonds In-Reply-To: References: <583dff9f9da2017fb189d469e4ed3d81@chartertn.net> <007e01c53213$662e3980$04000100@shuttle> Message-ID: <42468E19.9050602@comcast.net> John: You sure know your Hammond stuff. I'm not a keyboard player,I'm a guitar picker.My younger brother in Florida has been in a Blues/Rock band(Redeye Express) for 15 years or so.His keyboard player was dragging a B3 and one or 2 Leslies all over....but it was a vintage instrument, and started having problems.He has it in his band room, with the Leslies....the Leslies got motors rebuilt 3 yrs. ago....Now he has some kinda newfangled Electronic (Portable) setup,and darned if it doesn't sound EXACTLY like the B3 + Leslies! He has had people Beg him to sell any part of the B3 setup, but is keeping it as an investment,and uses it occasionally as a "Stationary Model". ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Culp wrote: > Don, your son likely knows this, but the tone generators need lubing > annually. When the organs first came out they said 3 months, then > decided that was too much. There are three cups on the back, at least > of the M3 model I've been working on; I think some models have two. > You're supposed to put in enough oil to fill the cups 3/4 full, but > they're really funnels so you don't try to keep them full. The cups in > the cover over the tone generator are funnels that drip into similar > cup/funnels on the inside, right on the tone generator, and they drip > into that copper trough I mentioned. From there the cotton threads > wick it to the bearings. > > If the thing's stuck and won't turn over, there are a few likely > fixes. It's actually quite unusual for either the start or run motors > to burn out. Sometimes switches go bad and have to be replaced. More > often, the bearings have gone dry from lack of oiling, and old oil may > have gummed up in them. Fully oiling the thing and letting it sit for > a week or so is the first thing to do. Find that Bendix drive I > mentioned and put a little oil directly on it. Work the sliding gear > back and forth to make sure it's free and oiled. If it's sticking, > you'll hear the start motor whir and grind, but the tone generator > never spools up. If the tone generator bearings are gummed up, after > time for the oil to penetrate to the bearings you may have to give it > a boost by hand to start it. On the left side of the generator looking > from the back, there's a wheel attached to the main shaft. You can > manipulate the start switch by reaching around from the back with the > left hand while giving that wheel a shove with the right hand, turning > it over the top toward the front of the organ. I had to do that with > this M3 that hadn't been oiled in 5 years. Once it's going, let it run > a while and it'll free itself up as long as it's got new, fresh oil in > it. The normal starting drill is to hold the "Start" switch for about > 8 seconds, continue holding it while flipping on the "Run" switch, > then after about 4 more seconds the "Start" switch can be released. > Turning on the "Run" switch turns on the amplifier. > > I'm still hunting for a Hammond of my own. The Loyal Bereans weren't > doing anything with this one, of course, till I fixed it up, but now I > think they've got somebody playing it. I'll be glad to maintain it as > long as they're using it, but I may make 'em an offer for it at their > next class meeting and see what they say. Found a guy out in St. > Joseph, Missouri with an A-100 at a very reasonable asking price a > while back, but he's been very slow responding and hasn't gotten back > to me in weeks. I think he's out of the picture. Got a tantalizing > report from a friend in a nearby music store of a little Pentecostal > church that's maybe going to ditch their C3 with Leslies for a modern > keyboard, but the only contact info I've got's a cell phone that's > never answered and has no voice mail. Can't find any further info on > the church anywhere. > > As for B3s, guitronics, yeah, they're cool. But they've gotten > overpriced. C3s are identical, in a different style case. The A100 > series has the innards of the B3 combined with the power amplifier and > speakers of the Hammond FR40 tone cabinet in a spinet-like case, so it > was a very practical organ for home use with limited space. They don't > sell for nearly as much as B3s, because a lot of people don't know > they're the same internally. The M3 spinet I'm working on is also > similar in many ways to the B3 and others of the -3 series, but has > fewer keys and pedals, has a built-in power amp and speaker for > stand-alone use without a tone cabinet or Leslie, has no presets, and > lacks the "foldback" connections that keep all the drawbars active on > the higher notes by "folding back" to the harmonics of the same note > an octave down. The M3's nicknamed the "Baby B3" because of its tonal > similarities. It's popular to add foldback kits to the spinets, but > it's a lot of work. Any of these things can be hooked to a Leslie, but > Leslies have gotten pricey. Ebay's largely turned around the giving > away or throwing away of these organs (and Leslies) that was so common > till very recently. > > BTW, if you remember Booker T. & The M.G.s' "Green Onions," that was > recorded with an M3, no Leslie. Remember Procol Harum's "Whiter Shade > of Pale?" An M102 spinet. > > Keith Emerson used to get really rough with his M102, wrestling with > it onstage, stabbing big knives into it, pulling it over on himself, > throwing it offstage... The roadies reinforced the case with angle > iron and put retainers on the tubes to keep them from jolting out, but > the little Hammond kept right on playing for years. When he hit it big > with Emerson, Lake and Palmer (who sold more albums than anyone else > in the '70s), he went mainly to a C3 with Leslies and started > supplementing it with a synth. > > John > > On Mar 26, 2005, at 9:52 AM, Don wrote: > >> Hi bro John >> Gee tnx fer the info on the hammon My son has 3 of them and thats >> sounds just like the thing it needs as it doesn"t want to spool up.. > > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From guitronics at comcast.net Sun Mar 27 03:16:44 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 06:16:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: <009201c5324a$fc63e120$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <4244B9BF.10504@comcast.net><014a01c531a9$989bab60$0301a8c0@Reg> <424587C2.3000803@comcast.net> <009201c5324a$fc63e120$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <4246961C.2040104@comcast.net> I stand corrected.....Good day! Reg Ingold wrote: >My only reason for speaking was that Luke is working on a new bore and the >type you use would NOT finish his bore correctly. >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "guitronics" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 2:03 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap > > > > >>OK.I can respect your opinion.Then again, the only accurate hone would >>be 3 stones spring-or-gravity 'loaded' on a precision lathe. >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From Bimjy at hotmail.com Sun Mar 27 04:36:48 2005 From: Bimjy at hotmail.com (Jim Hunter) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 07:36:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ignition switch. References: <20050327024241.70953.qmail@web60308.mail.yahoo.com> <00d901c532e0$ff914220$b0c0fea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: FORD.....You are Kidding.....Right? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Ignition switch. Hi Dave, I've never worked on a Mazda ign switch before but it sounds like any other I've worked on. Those "Rivets" should be what's left of the "Shear Bolts", use a centre punch and tap them undone, there may be four of them. With these removed I don't think you can remove the switch assemble while it's still in the locked position, but you just might get away with it. With the switch/lock all loose and hanging there try and unlock it while there is no pressure on the locking pawl. To remove the "Barrel & Key" from the Locking assemble, I think the Key has to be turned to the Acc position and a 1/16" drill bit pushed into a hole around the base of the lock, which should release the Barrel. Failing that remove the whole steering column place it on the bench, and cut the bastard off!, and trade it in on a Ford! Andy...... Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David DeWitt" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 10:42 AM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ignition switch. > Do any of the list members have any expertise in ignition switch removal ? My daughter has a 1989 Mazda p/u B2200 that wont let the key turn. It appears that something has jamed it up in the steering lock part. I pulled the column covers off tonight and took the electric switch off the back end of the switch but can't figure out how to take out the internal patrs. Looks like it has been riveted to the upper half where it goes around the steering column. Any help woud sure be appreciated. > Dave. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From art at etsnj.com Sun Mar 27 05:04:20 2005 From: art at etsnj.com (Art Oswald) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:04:20 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale In-Reply-To: <6f60251605032700076f589925@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000401c532cd$81032a80$1202a8c0@artb0y712ywxp8> I will be traveling to Ireland this summer. Hopefully in June. Does anybody know of any engine shows that might be happening around that time? Art -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1822 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! From falcon at telenet.net Sun Mar 27 05:26:50 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:26:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ignition switch. References: <20050327024241.70953.qmail@web60308.mail.yahoo.com><00d901c532e0$ff914220$b0c0fea9@ibmbnh186c> <6.1.0.6.0.20050327070941.01aa17e0@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <002b01c532d0$a2922400$811117d1@net.telenet.net> If it is an 89 Mazda it IS a Ford... Mazda B-Series = Ford Ranger P/U Same vehicles with different badges. Steve Williams > Yea trade it on a ford and then you will have half ford and half Mazda. > With a little china man threw in. > R Fink > PA > > > At 07:23 AM 3/27/2005, you wrote: > >Hi Dave, I've never worked on a Mazda ign switch before but it sounds like > >any other I've worked on. Those "Rivets" should be what's left of the "Shear > >Bolts", use a centre punch and tap them undone, there may be four of them. > >With these removed I don't think you can remove the switch assemble while > >it's still in the locked position, but you just might get away with it. With > >the switch/lock all loose and hanging there try and unlock it while there is > >no pressure on the locking pawl. To remove the "Barrel & Key" from the > >Locking assemble, I think the Key has to be turned to the Acc position and a > >1/16" drill bit pushed into a hole around the base of the lock, which should > >release the Barrel. Failing that remove the whole steering column place it > >on the bench, and cut the bastard off!, and trade it in on a Ford! > >Andy...... > > > >Andy Nicholson > >Exmouth W.A. > >Oz. > >rustyiron at bigpond.com > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "David DeWitt" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 10:42 AM > >Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ignition switch. > > > > > > > Do any of the list members have any expertise in ignition switch removal ? > >My daughter has a 1989 Mazda p/u B2200 that wont let the key turn. It > >appears that something has jamed it up in the steering lock part. I pulled > >the column covers off tonight and took the electric switch off the back end > >of the switch but can't figure out how to take out the internal patrs. Looks > >like it has been riveted to the upper half where it goes around the steering > >column. Any help woud sure be appreciated. > > > Dave. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Sun Mar 27 05:29:28 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:29:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How about a new vehicle to get to the shows Message-ID: <004901c532d1$011600a0$811117d1@net.telenet.net> http://snipurl.com/doj4 I wonder how much cargo space they left? Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 27 07:18:39 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:18:39 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale In-Reply-To: <000401c532cd$81032a80$1202a8c0@artb0y712ywxp8> References: <6f60251605032700076f589925@mail.gmail.com> <000401c532cd$81032a80$1202a8c0@artb0y712ywxp8> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050327101705.0f0f6fd0@mail.alltel.net> At 08:04 AM 3/27/2005, you wrote: >I will be traveling to Ireland this summer. Hopefully in June. Does >anybody know of any engine shows that might be happening around that >time? >Art Hi Art, Coolspring (PA) is always a good show. It's June 16-18 this year. Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 27 07:47:24 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:47:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] GAMTRA Swap Meet In-Reply-To: <65fb8d0d7ff19fc4c508f0f76c2ef723@chartertn.net> References: <65fb8d0d7ff19fc4c508f0f76c2ef723@chartertn.net> Message-ID: You're only NOW discovering this???? CLEARLY John you have been leaving the annual Portland beer tasting event WAY too early!!!! Those Cloistered Oyster Brothers are a WILD pair!!!! See ya, Arnie On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, John Culp wrote: > > Steve "Cloistered Oyster Brother" Royster > > Just found this in an online dictionary: > > *********************** > Definitions of roister: > > ? verb:?? engage in boisterous, drunken merry-making > ********************** From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Mar 27 07:51:20 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:51:20 EST Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale Message-ID: <19d.307c1aae.2f783078@aol.com> In a message dated 3/27/2005 10:42:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: << >I will be traveling to Ireland this summer. Hopefully in June. Does >anybody know of any engine shows that might be happening around that >time? >Art Hi Art, Coolspring (PA) is always a good show. It's June 16-18 this year >> Hi Dave, How close is Coolspring to Ireland where Art is going in June? Perhaps you have been partaking too much of the Easter Bunny schnapps! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 27 07:57:00 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:57:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050327105445.02664e28@mail.alltel.net> At 10:38 AM 3/26/2005, you wrote: >Now THAT is one cool toy!!! >View this Item on eBay at >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6165746045 > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER ( electric motor or steam) >MODEL AS SEEN AND USED BY FRED DIBNAH ON TELEVISION >Item number: 6165746045 Hi Arnie, I'm glad that I don't have a boat. The last time that you called my attention to something like this I drove to NJ and ended up with a 4,000 lb hack saw! Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 27 08:20:05 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:20:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] UK Engine Rallys in June In-Reply-To: <000401c532cd$81032a80$1202a8c0@artb0y712ywxp8> References: <000401c532cd$81032a80$1202a8c0@artb0y712ywxp8> Message-ID: Hi Art, Here's a couple in England that are worth checking out. You'll be on the right side of the pond at least. 8-)) Lister Tyndale Rally (aka Lister-Petter) 17-19 June http://www.lister-tyndale-steam-rally.co.uk/ 1000 Engine Rally (aka Astle Park) 25-26 June No website? Urban Rally at the Abbey Pumping Station 2-3 July http://www.insulate.co.uk/jim/abbey.htm http://www.leicestermuseums.ac.uk/museums/museframe.html Anson Museum http://www.enginemuseum.org/nindex.html Internal Fire Museum http://www.internalfire.com/ See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, Art Oswald wrote: > I will be traveling to Ireland this summer. Hopefully in June. Does > anybody know of any engine shows that might be happening around that > time? From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 27 08:23:46 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:23:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale In-Reply-To: <018c01c53299$c18c2720$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <200503270209.j2R2909h099310@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <018c01c53299$c18c2720$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: And your point is ..... ??? On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, Reg Ingold wrote: > Dunno if it is an engine event or a grand piss up!! From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 27 08:52:42 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:52:42 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale In-Reply-To: <19d.307c1aae.2f783078@aol.com> References: <19d.307c1aae.2f783078@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050327115052.0f0a2ec0@mail.alltel.net> ><< >I will be traveling to Ireland this summer. Hopefully in June. Does > >anybody know of any engine shows that might be happening around that > >time? > >Art > Hi Art, Coolspring (PA) is always a good show. It's June 16-18 this year >> >Hi Dave, >How close is Coolspring to Ireland where Art is going in June? Perhaps you >have been partaking too much of the Easter Bunny schnapps! >Tom Schmutz Hi Tom, Art did not ask about shows in Ireland. He asked about shows in June. Dave From bill at antique-engines.com Sun Mar 27 09:38:58 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:38:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: <42468B38.4030206@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200503271739.j2RHcxaB025745@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> And small block Chebbie blocks distort more than most others so it's more critical to use a torque plate. I can put an inside mic in a SBC bore and squeeze the block with my hands and it will fall out due to the distortion. Those plates run about $300-$400 and are available for almost anything, even Briggs & Stratton engines. Unless you run even a sunnen rigid hone in a "drill press" or honing machine if you use a hand drill you can put a bit of tilt into it and distort the bore. As was already stated - Anything that is not a rigid hone is a glaze-breaker hone and will not straighten a bore. Bill (in the middle of building a hi-perf engine now) -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of guitronics Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:30 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap AHHHhhhhhhh:Now I understand what the folks down under were trying to tell me! Of course, you all are right.I replied to that after being awake for 26 hours, I shouldda known better! I know from reading Hot Rod, and Chevy Power, etc....on an automotive "Hot Street" application, they use a Torque plate(to simulate the head distortion) and , if I recall correctly : A Sunnen CK-10 Honing Machine. OOPS! My Bad! Thanks for straightening me out. Arnie Fero wrote: >I hate to be the one to break this to you, but the spring-loaded hones >you describe are also just glaze breakers. They will not do a thing >for out-of-round or tapered bores. Precision cylinder hones are rigid >(like the Sunnen) and are damn expensive!! > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, guitronics wrote: > > > >>OK.I can respect your opinion.Then again, the only accurate hone would >>be 3 stones spring-or-gravity 'loaded' on a precision lathe. >> >>Reg Ingold wrote: >> >> >> >>>I hate to tell you this but you are using a 'deglazer' >>>It is NOT an accurate hone. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "guitronics" >>> >>> >>> >>>>I'd use a "Bottle Washer" type of hone,much simpler and easier to >>>>use than the standard "Stone"type. >>>> >>>> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mogul460 at localnet.com Sun Mar 27 12:27:19 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:27:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Safety First Message-ID: <000a01c5330b$620e7a60$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Posted on the SEL by a fellow collector in August 1997 "Hello List member. I had a narrow escape last Saturday morning and thought I should pass it on to you all since several of you are getting large engines. I had been waiting for a friend to come and help start my 35 HP Superior which we had done several times before .Earlier in the week I installed a new propane regulator and done some maintenance. In the process I tightened two bolts that held the main bearing that supports the front of the side shaft, which in turn raised all the cams up this making the magneto fire quicker before piston got to dead center.My being an old timer I did not think of all this. We got on each flywheel and the engine had just a little too much compression to reach top dead center., so I got up higher on the next spoke with BOTH feet when it fired going in the wrong way.I discovered how it feels to be shot from a cannon.. The last thing I remember was seeing the top of the exhaust pipe. I landed about 20 feet luckily on my right side and back. After about 15 minutes I discovered I was still alive no broken bones but not sure my kidneys were in the right place. They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks but I sure learned one. NEVER PUT BOTH FEET ON THE SPOKES. I would be a good buyer for an air starter if anyone has one" From rexhinz at chorus.net Sun Mar 27 11:31:03 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:31:03 -0600 Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale References: <19d.307c1aae.2f783078@aol.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050327115052.0f0a2ec0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001301c53303$86717c70$4086a5d8@mycomputer> I think Art wants to know what shows he will be missing while in Ireland Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale > > ><< >I will be traveling to Ireland this summer. Hopefully in June. Does > > >anybody know of any engine shows that might be happening around that > > >time? > > >Art > > Hi Art, Coolspring (PA) is always a good show. It's June 16-18 this year >> > >Hi Dave, > >How close is Coolspring to Ireland where Art is going in June? Perhaps you > >have been partaking too much of the Easter Bunny schnapps! > >Tom Schmutz > > Hi Tom, Art did not ask about shows in Ireland. He asked about shows in June. > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 27 12:01:52 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:01:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Safety First References: <000a01c5330b$620e7a60$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <012a01c53307$d41aa1f0$230110ac@PAUL> Charlie, darn your hide we did not worry ourselves to death, spend time in prayer asking the Lord to spare your life, just to see you jump on a Superior and make like a rocket.........just kidding. I hope you did not tear any of your incisions apart or upset the heart surgery any. BE CAREFUL my friend, we don't want to lose you. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant" To: "SEL List" Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 2:27 PM Subject: [SEL] Safety First Posted on the SEL by a fellow collector in August 1997 "Hello List member. I had a narrow escape last Saturday morning and thought I should pass it on to you all since several of you are getting large engines. I had been waiting for a friend to come and help start my 35 HP Superior which we had done several times before .Earlier in the week I installed a new propane regulator and done some maintenance. In the process I tightened two bolts that held the main bearing that supports the front of the side shaft, which in turn raised all the cams up this making the magneto fire quicker before piston got to dead center.My being an old From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Mar 27 12:35:00 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:35:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Safety First In-Reply-To: <012a01c53307$d41aa1f0$230110ac@PAUL> References: <000a01c5330b$620e7a60$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> <012a01c53307$d41aa1f0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: Charlie didn't say he was the one who did that. It was a "fellow collector" in 1997. Good safety reminder, though! John On Mar 27, 2005, at 3:01 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > Charlie, darn your hide we did not worry ourselves to death, spend > time in prayer asking the Lord to spare your life, just to see you > jump on a Superior and make like a rocket.........just kidding. I hope > you did not tear any of your incisions apart or upset the heart > surgery any. BE CAREFUL my friend, we don't want to lose you. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 27 12:42:38 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:42:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Safety First In-Reply-To: <012a01c53307$d41aa1f0$230110ac@PAUL> References: <000a01c5330b$620e7a60$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> <012a01c53307$d41aa1f0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: Hey Paul, You must have missed the lead-in line to Charlie's post... See ya, Arnie On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, Paul Maples wrote: > Charlie, darn your hide we did not worry ourselves to death, spend time in > prayer asking the Lord to spare your life, just to see you jump on a > Superior and make like a rocket.........just kidding. I hope you did not > tear any of your incisions apart or upset the heart surgery any. BE CAREFUL > my friend, we don't want to lose you. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles R Bryant" > To: "SEL List" > Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 2:27 PM > Subject: [SEL] Safety First > > Posted on the SEL by a fellow collector in August 1997 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 27 13:17:42 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:17:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Safety First References: <000a01c5330b$620e7a60$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com><012a01c53307$d41aa1f0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <014501c53312$6f5d2390$230110ac@PAUL> Sorry guys, your right, I missed the first line.......getting to where I cannot hear, see, or find a bathroom anymore. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Safety First > Hey Paul, > > You must have missed the lead-in line to Charlie's post... > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, Paul Maples wrote: > >> Charlie, darn your hide we did not worry ourselves to death, spend time >> in >> prayer asking the Lord to spare your life, just to see you jump on a >> Superior and make like a rocket.........just kidding. I hope you did not From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Mar 27 13:18:20 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:18:20 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale References: <200503270209.j2R2909h099310@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><018c01c53299$c18c2720$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <006901c53314$33ac0080$0301a8c0@Reg> If they had a beer tent here the whole lot of the 'organisers' would go into terminal backflips! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 2:23 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale > And your point is ..... ??? From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Mar 27 13:36:29 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:36:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Show pictures Message-ID: <4247275D.7090408@earthlink.net> Hi all, Just finished getting the pictures up from our annual indoor show complete with fences. Mostly FATG stuff, but something for others also. You can view at: http://frapa.us/Photos/WMALL2005/WM2005.html Doing this is a lot of work, and a big thanks to Dave for sharing his Florida trip. I enjoyed the pictures. I'll thank Curt in advance, because I'm now headed for a cold beer and a look at his pictures from sideshaft heaven. Had to get the club stuff done, so haven't had a chance. Jeff Allen From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Mar 27 14:33:13 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:33:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Safety First In-Reply-To: <000a01c5330b$620e7a60$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <000a01c5330b$620e7a60$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <424734A9.70400@steamengine.com.au> Hi Charlie, Actually you learnt two new tricks - the other one was how to fly - an envious situation. You need to work on your staying aloft and landing skills though! Seriously - thanks for highlighting the need to be careful with the larger engines - most of us are around them infrequently and could do with reminders from time to time. Paul Charles R Bryant wrote: > They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks but I sure learned one. NEVER PUT BOTH > FEET ON THE SPOKES. I would be a good buyer for an air starter if anyone has one" -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.3 - Release Date: 25/03/2005 From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 27 15:04:09 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:04:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Safety First In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050327230409.53285.qmail@web14122.mail.yahoo.com> My father-in-law was killed doing that. He worked in the oil fields in PA and was what they call a pumper. He started and ran the engines that pulled the rod lines. One morning he went to start one of the engines and it put him through the roof of the pump house. Don't know the details as he was alone. Ron Charles R Bryant wrote: Posted on the SEL by a fellow collector in August 1997 "Hello List member. I had a narrow escape last Saturday morning and thought I should pass it on to you all since several of you are getting large engines. I had been waiting for a friend to come and help start my 35 HP Superior which we had done several times before .Earlier in the week I installed a new propane regulator and done some maintenance. In the process I tightened two bolts that held the main bearing that supports the front of the side shaft, which in turn raised all the cams up this making the magneto fire quicker before piston got to dead center.My being an old timer I did not think of all this. We got on each flywheel and the engine had just a little too much compression to reach top dead center., so I got up higher on the next spoke with BOTH feet when it fired going in the wrong way.I discovered how it feels to be shot from a cannon.. The last thing I remember was seeing the top of the exhaust pipe. I landed about 20 feet luckily on my right side and back. After about 15 minutes I discovered I was still alive no broken bones but not sure my kidneys were in the right place. They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks but I sure learned one. NEVER PUT BOTH FEET ON THE SPOKES. I would be a good buyer for an air starter if anyone has one" _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Mar 27 15:15:48 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:15:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Newcomer Message-ID: <42473EA4.3010505@earthlink.net> Hi all, Just got a private mail from someone new to this. Don't know what list he is on and I will give him his privacy. Lives in the Lancaster, PA area though. Any info on clubs or shows in that area would be welcome to him I think. I know how tough it is to find stuff when you are new to this hobby. Help him out folks, and maybe he'll jump on the list and post one day. Jeff Allen From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 27 15:24:03 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:24:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Show pictures References: <4247275D.7090408@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <017101c53324$12b75090$230110ac@PAUL> Nice pictures Jeff, thanks for posting them for us to see and enjoy. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; "Oldengine list" Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:36 PM Subject: [SEL] Show pictures > Hi all, > > From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 27 16:41:40 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:41:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Re: Tractor help? Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050327194101.0f1ed2a8@mail.alltel.net> Can anyone help Jenny? Dave >Dave, > >Thanks for your reply. I'm beginning to suspect that we're not in the same >state - Sandy is outside of Salt Lake City, Utah. I found your website by >googling "Tractor Clubs Utah" on the web. Where are you? If you're not in >Utah, can you help me find someone who is? > >Thanks so much! > >Jenny > >On 3/14/05 6:58 PM, "Dave Rotigel" wrote: > > > Hi Jenny, Where the heck is Sandy? Once I know that I'm sure that I can get > > someone to help you! > > Dave > > > > At 07:17 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote: > >> Dave, > >> > >> I'm part of a community non-profit group starting up a community garden in > >> Sandy. We have about a half acre plot of land for the garden and are > >> looking for someone who would be willing to plow it gratis or at a reduced > >> rate. Can you point me in the direction I need to go with this? > >> > >> Thank you so much for your time, > >> > >> Jenny Winkel > > From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sun Mar 27 18:25:31 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:25:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <000701c52d9e$ac4ac0b0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <000801c52da7$9bc03320$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <001501c52e5e$8b9f65d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <004601c5333d$6aa2c140$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Thanks for your note. If you clik on the immage to go to the shoping cart the immage is larger. It is a template web page and I hope to get it better with more time ,now is not a priority. Right now the building business is booming here and I stay swamped designing the stuff. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > Skip, I got it loud and clear. > The only thing I would say is, the pictures are > a little small to see the item well. > Good oppertunity for Betty to visit her family the end of July, > while you visit the HMT show in Panningen :o)) > > Regards, > John H. > > > >> John: See if you can get to my site using >> www.wizbangtools.com >> I can access the site but maybe no one else can. >> >> Thanks. >> Skip >> Ps. Betty is one of your fellow countrymen, she was borne in Rotterdam, >> her >> brother and family live in Ede. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Mar 27 22:04:10 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:04:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Photos of the 2005 Churchill Island Working Horse Festival (and yes it does have engines :) Message-ID: <42479E5A.5080208@steamengine.com.au> I've put up a photo gallery of pics from the 2005 Churchill Island Working Horse Festival. http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/churchill_island_2005/ Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 27/03/2005 From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Mar 28 04:17:40 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:17:40 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits Message-ID: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> I know there are some very inventive people out there . Having seen the old Magic Tap [ or facet] many times at shows has any one seen anything different apart from Dave Rotogels seemingly endless destruction of Maytag's? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Mar 28 04:27:38 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:27:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits In-Reply-To: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au> I've seen a continuously flushing urinal on the outside of the fence. I've also seen a dunny seat with a giant rubber spider under it - kids just can't resist opening it and invariably scream and drop it. Another guy I know puts a button on the fence with "Do not press this button" - whenever someone presses it it sets off a fire alarm powered by his 32v generator then squirts them with a water pistol. They usually learn why not to press it :). Another fella I know has a pair of plastic elephants on his tractor, whenever someone looks at them they get hosed. Paul peter ogborne wrote: > I know there are some very inventive people out there . Having seen the > old Magic Tap [ or facet] many times at shows has any one seen anything > different apart from Dave Rotogels seemingly endless destruction of > Maytag's? > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 27/03/2005 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 28 04:30:52 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 06:30:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Photos of the 2005 Churchill Island Working Horse Festival (and yes it does have engines :) References: <42479E5A.5080208@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <002f01c53391$fe673ba0$230110ac@PAUL> GREAT PICTURES PAUL, a very nice show, thanks for posting them for us to see. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: ; Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 12:04 AM Subject: [SEL] Photos of the 2005 Churchill Island Working Horse Festival (and yes it does have engines :) > I've put up a photo gallery of pics from the 2005 Churchill Island Working > Horse Festival. > > http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/churchill_island_2005/ > > Paul From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Mar 28 05:50:00 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:50:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits In-Reply-To: <4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: One of my favorites is the the little wooden dancing couple the Munter's have. They have an engine belted to a dummy pulley that doesn't really power anything using a rope for a belt. The pulley is attached to the outside of a nice wooden box on legs with two wooden figurines on the top. The figurines are attached to a rod that goes down inside the box. When someone walks by the little wooden couple begins dancing by the rods going up and down. When the people continue on past they stop their dancing. People think it is activated when they happen to walk by. Little do they know it is remote control operated. It is really something else to watch the spectators interact with the 'magic' box. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =============== > >peter ogborne wrote: >>I know there are some very inventive people out there . Having seen the >>old Magic Tap [ or facet] many times at shows has any one seen anything >>different apart from Dave Rotogels seemingly endless destruction of >>Maytag's? >>Peter Ogborne >>Little Grove ,Albany >>West Australia >>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >>jopeter at omninet.net.au From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 28 06:00:15 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:00:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> <4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <014d01c5339e$78088200$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> sets off a fire alarm powered by his 32v > generator then squirts them with a water pistol. They usually learn why > not to press it :). >>>>>>>>>>>>> That New Holland feller with the hooga horn in a artillery shell box says DO NOT OPEN , with a N/C switch on the lid . point taken From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Mar 28 06:56:53 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:56:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits In-Reply-To: <4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au> References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> <4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Peter, My favorite "endless tap" dispenses Guinness. 8-)) http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/1000eng/28.jpg Other cool exhibits include the huge Victor mouse trap with the suckers sitting on the trip pan and the sign that says "Free - Take One." Cool tools include the shovles with the weed wacker engines on the handles and the "Amish chain saw" that consists of a chainsaw bar and chain with a hand-saw handle. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com > peter ogborne wrote: > > I know there are some very inventive people out there . Having seen the > > old Magic Tap [ or facet] many times at shows has any one seen anything > > different apart from Dave Rotogels seemingly endless destruction of > > Maytag's? From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 28 06:57:15 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:57:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3><4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au> <014d01c5339e$78088200$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: Not at an engine show but in Idaho there's a watering hole and inside the ladies bathroon is an indian statue. When the loin cloth/figleaf is raised, bells, buzzers and whistles go off all over the place. And they have a table that slowly lowers and raises. RickinMt. From marvhed at ecenet.com Mon Mar 28 10:17:21 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:17:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] old, old gasoline varnish solvent ?? Message-ID: <12847.199.62.0.252.1112033841.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> the OTTO engine has been sitting for a very long time with the old gas in it. the intake valve and fuel pump check balls were stuck with varnish and the mixer and fuel line filter have hard varnish plugging the up. the gas tank has a sticky mess in the bottom. what is the solvent of choice to remove old gasoline varnish? preferably one that won't harm paint. thanks, marv in minn From nick at holden1.net Mon Mar 28 11:04:24 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:04:24 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] old, old gasoline varnish solvent ?? References: <12847.199.62.0.252.1112033841.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <42485538.000001.02404@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi the best thing that i have used is carburetor cleaner you can get it from your local car repair shop Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net -------Original Message------- From: MARVIN HEDBERG Date: 03/28/05 19:32:23 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] old, old gasoline varnish solvent ?? the OTTO engine has been sitting for a very long time with the old gas in it. the intake valve and fuel pump check balls were stuck with varnish and the mixer and fuel line filter have hard varnish plugging the up. the gas tank has a sticky mess in the bottom. what is the solvent of choice to remove old gasoline varnish? preferably one that won't harm paint. thanks, marv in minn _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mmco at cox-internet.com Mon Mar 28 11:13:15 2005 From: mmco at cox-internet.com (MMCO) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:13:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] old, old gasoline varnish solvent ?? In-Reply-To: <12847.199.62.0.252.1112033841.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <12847.199.62.0.252.1112033841.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <4248574B.4010709@cox-internet.com> That is what I call wanting your cake and eating it too. I use paint remover . Bo Hinch MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > the OTTO engine has been sitting for a very long time with the old gas in > it. the intake valve and fuel pump check balls were stuck with varnish > and the mixer and fuel line filter have hard varnish plugging the up. > the gas tank has a sticky mess in the bottom. > > what is the solvent of choice to remove old gasoline varnish? > preferably one that won't harm paint. > thanks, > marv in minn > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Mar 28 11:14:07 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:14:07 +0000 Subject: Engine model: was Re: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: <4244AF23.6090403@telus.net> Message-ID: The engine I'm attempting to build was designed and first built by our very own Reg Ingold. I'm not sure of the scale. Pictures of Reg's engine can be seen here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold/models/freelance/ a movie can be seen here http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/vertmodel/Mvc-009v.mpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: Rupert Wenig > >Hello Luke, > I meant to ask in my last post- What engine are you building? What scale? > >Rupert > From andyglines at hotmail.com Mon Mar 28 11:30:18 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:30:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Babbit bearings & pitted shafts Message-ID: I need to pour some new bearings and the shaft has some deep pits. My original plan was to simply fill the pits with JB weld or Devcon and sand flush with the existing shaft. The filler will have plenty of strength on the shaft but I wonder how it will hold up to the heat of pouring the bearing? Who has experience with this problem? From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Mar 28 12:09:45 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:09:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] old, old gasoline varnish solvent ?? References: <12847.199.62.0.252.1112033841.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <42486489.1BD70500@insulate.co.uk> Hi Marv Try some of the suggestions previously put forward by this group (scroll down!) http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/plugs.htm Dolly MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > the OTTO engine has been sitting for a very long time with the old gas in > it. the intake valve and fuel pump check balls were stuck with varnish > and the mixer and fuel line filter have hard varnish plugging the up. > the gas tank has a sticky mess in the bottom. > > what is the solvent of choice to remove old gasoline varnish? > preferably one that won't harm paint. > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From lfevans at pacbell.net Mon Mar 28 12:36:30 2005 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:36:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Babbit bearings & pitted shafts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050328121725.0276a9f8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Andy, JB Weld is good to 500 degrees F. per factory web site. See: http://jbweld.net/products/jbweld.php I have used it with good success in a 3 hp. Fairbanks Morse Z cylinder to fill deep grooves caused by an errant wrist pin. So far the repair has lasted about 15 years. I just looked at the Devcon site and their standard steel filled epoxy is resistant to 250 degrees F. I think that the various babbitt metals have melting points ranging from 350 to 450 degrees F. Regards, Larry At 11:30 AM 3/28/2005, you wrote: >I need to pour some new bearings and the shaft has some deep pits. My >original plan was to simply fill the pits with JB weld or Devcon and sand >flush with the existing shaft. The filler will have plenty of strength on >the shaft but I wonder how it will hold up to the heat of pouring the >bearing? Who has experience with this problem? > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 12:57:13 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:57:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] old, old gasoline varnish solvent ?? In-Reply-To: <12847.199.62.0.252.1112033841.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <12847.199.62.0.252.1112033841.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <6f602516050328125771fa5604@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:17:21 -0600 (CST), MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > the OTTO engine has been sitting for a very long time with the old gas in > it. the intake valve and fuel pump check balls were stuck with varnish > and the mixer and fuel line filter have hard varnish plugging the up. > the gas tank has a sticky mess in the bottom. > > what is the solvent of choice to remove old gasoline varnish? > preferably one that won't harm paint. > thanks, > marv in minn The best remover is paint stripper! But, you can also use something like WD40 if you are not in a big hurry, and it won't attack the paint as long as it is hardened off. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Mar 28 13:12:37 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:12:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor crank offset. Message-ID: <42487345.2000100@imc-group.com> On the Baker Monitor engines the centerline of the cylinder is offset from the mains to reduce side forces on the piston on the power stroke. This is well discussed and promoted in the original literature. For the purposes of repouring the mains I need to know exactly how far off of cylinder centerline the mains are. Does anyone happen to know? I am making a fixture to hold the dummy shaft in just the correct position parallel to the camshaft and parallel to the cylinder mounting flange. Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 28 13:54:50 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:54:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor crank offset. References: <42487345.2000100@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00ab01c533e1$4daa6d00$0301a8c0@Reg> Dick Daoust does a casting set for that model and the castings are spot on. He could tell you, having done the plans. dodaoust at merr.com Phone: 262 547 4278 Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 28 14:42:19 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:42:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me Message-ID: <012301c533e7$6854b150$230110ac@PAUL> My Sister purchased a Gateway Desktop computer a couple of years ago, it had windows ME on it so this will give you an idea of it's age. Anyway she got on the internet with no virus protection and the next thing I know she is calling me and telling me that her computer will not do anything. I told her to do a system recovery on it but she knows little to nothing about computers and said she could not get it to do a system recovery. I later learned she had put the wrong recovery disk in first, she had put the one in that had all of the drivers on it and not the Operating Systems. By the time I got it someone else had installed Windows XP on it, it only has 64 Meg of Ram on it which is not enough to run XP efficiently. Also with Windows XP in it now it is not recognizing the CD drive. Anyway I am trying to get Windows XP off of it so I can put the original Recovery Disks in it and try and do a system recovery but I don't know how to dump the Windows XP operating System so I can start over, can someone tell me what I need to do. Thanks, Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 28 14:57:46 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:57:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> <4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <013d01c533e9$90f99740$230110ac@PAUL> Paul I will play...........what is a dunny seat? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 6:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Quirky exhibits > I've seen a continuously flushing urinal on the outside of the fence. > I've also seen a dunny seat with a giant rubber spider under it - kids > just can't resist opening it and invariably scream and drop it. Another > guy I know puts a button on the fence with "Do not press this button" - > whenever someone presses it it sets off a fire alarm powered by his 32v From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Mar 28 16:46:44 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:46:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - expansion of metals in oil pumps In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050328121725.0276a9f8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200503290047.j2T0lE78033662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> For the engineers - rob, etc. Engine oil pump - automotive gear type. Gears are steel (or some sort of steel product) housing is aluminum - timing chain cover with pump body in the timing cover. The gear to housing end clearance is supposed to be VERY close to get the pump to put out good pressure. A lot of folks say this is a weak design - that the aluminum will expand more and open clearances between the gears and the housing. They claim the fix is to use aluminum gears in the alum housing so they expand at the same rate, meaning a more accurate and tight pump, longer life, higher pressure, etc. Thoughts? Bill From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Mar 28 17:24:16 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:24:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits In-Reply-To: References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3><4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au> <014d01c5339e$78088200$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <4248AE40.7000706@fidnet.com> Uh, Richard, how do you know about this? Gary Richard Strobel wrote: > Not at an engine show but in Idaho there's a watering hole and inside the > ladies bathroon is an indian statue. When the loin cloth/figleaf is raised, > bells, buzzers and whistles go off all over the place. > > And they have a table that slowly lowers and raises. > > RickinMt. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Mar 28 17:47:10 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:47:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt References: <42433D60.4000604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <01ce01c53401$39f227b0$fe3354d2@Cam> Well done Curt, you've done an excellent coverage of the National, especially in that heat. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:21 AM Subject: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt > G'day SEL, > I have put up a few of the pictures taken at the National in Narracoorte, > SA. Mine were taken in low res. to make it easier on web page writing. > Hope the resolution is decent enough. Sorry about the long index page of > thumbnail, but there was a LOT to see. There are 216 thumbnails of > tractors, trucks, and engines to look at. > Hope you enjoy this side shaft heaven. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Thumbnails.html > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Mar 28 17:54:22 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:54:22 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT - expansion of metals in oil pumps In-Reply-To: <200503290047.j2T0lE78033662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200503290154.j2T1sPdC049809@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > For the engineers - rob, etc. > >Engine oil pump - automotive gear type. Gears are steel (or >some sort of steel product) housing is aluminum - timing >chain cover with pump body in the timing cover. The gear >to housing end clearance is supposed to be VERY close to >get the pump to put out good pressure. A lot of folks say >this is a weak design - that the aluminum will expand more >and open clearances between the gears and the housing. >They claim the fix is to use aluminum gears in the alum >housing so they expand at the same rate, meaning a more >accurate and tight pump, longer life, higher pressure, etc. > > Thoughts? > > Bill Under full load, about three drops per minute per horsepower. Rob From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Mar 28 17:53:39 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:53:39 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT....the skill of a surgeon Message-ID: <000901c53402$271454f0$d3b43dca@ogborneuah38i3> I have always admired the skill of a surgeon even though some can be arrogant and up themselves. There was a horrific accident here in Perth over the Easter weekend ,a10 year old boy had three limbs severed, two hands and a foot. This happened when a basket ball hoop came down bringing the brick wall and metal gutter and facia with it . I believe what is termed a ''Slam Dunk'' was being performed . Our major hospital immediately went into action . All three limbs have been re attached, so far with success. A commendable effort! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Mar 28 17:56:57 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:56:57 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3><4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au> <013d01c533e9$90f99740$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <000f01c53402$a16aff10$d3b43dca@ogborneuah38i3> In case Paul is not around .........a dunny seat = Toilet , lavatory etc etc seat.In the Australian out back ,quite common the home of the very venomous Red Back Spider ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Quirky exhibits > Paul I will play...........what is a dunny seat? > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Pavlinovich" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 6:27 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Quirky exhibits > > >> I've seen a continuously flushing urinal on the outside of the fence. >> I've also seen a dunny seat with a giant rubber spider under it - kids >> just can't resist opening it and invariably scream and drop it. Another >> guy I know puts a button on the fence with "Do not press this button" - >> whenever someone presses it it sets off a fire alarm powered by his 32v > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Mar 28 17:59:14 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:59:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Boort Auction Report References: Message-ID: <01d901c53402$e9477340$fe3354d2@Cam> Thanks for the info Dave, struth that Jelbart made good money. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: [SEL] Boort Auction Report > Hi All, just returned home from Boort auction . It was an interesting sale > with some very desirable engines up for sale, these included > jelbart,hornsby,austral,blackstone and the usual more common varieties. > Adam and myself left Warrnambool at 4am for the 4hr drive up to Boort. We > arrived at 8am to find nothing was even setout for the 10am start but it > wasn't long before the engines came rolling in. But it still took them > until 10.30am before the sale got under way. here is a list of what the > better engines sold for - 14hp Jelbart $13100.00, 6hp coffin type Hornsby > $6900.00, 6hp Blackstone $5400.00, 6hp Austral $5500.00 with the others > bringing from $100.00 up to $1300.00.Three transports sold for $150.00 up > to $260.00. We came home fairly light ,i purchased one of the transports. > A good day in engine world. Dave > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's easy to send photos with Hotmail. Click here to find out how: > http://www.imagine-msn.com/Hotmail/Post/Communicate/SendPhotos.aspx > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Mar 28 18:26:39 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:26:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT....the skill of a surgeon In-Reply-To: <000901c53402$271454f0$d3b43dca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000901c53402$271454f0$d3b43dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <78ecd617458991b6fc35c9cd5f03eb46@chartertn.net> Yeah, I read about that. Pretty awesome! That was a real freak accident! John On Mar 28, 2005, at 8:53 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > I have always admired the skill of a surgeon even though some can be > arrogant and up themselves. There was a horrific accident here in > Perth over the Easter weekend ,a10 year old boy had three limbs > severed, two hands and a foot. This happened when a basket ball hoop > came down bringing the brick wall and metal gutter and facia with it . > I believe what is termed a ''Slam Dunk'' was being performed . > Our major hospital immediately went into action . All three limbs have > been re attached, so far with success. > A commendable effort! > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 28 11:24:49 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:24:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] old, old gasoline varnish solvent ?? Message-ID: <20050328.213635.1068.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Marv, The solvent of MY choice for removing old varnished gasoline is denatured alcohol. Usually, if it's bad, a soaking over night will free all gum from the tank & carb. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Mar 28 18:39:22 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:39:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Aussie Engine Ads References: <200503250239.j2P2d8ND080299@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <026001c53408$84beb2c0$fe3354d2@Cam> Good one, very interesting Patrick. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:39 PM Subject: [SEL] Aussie Engine Ads >I recently bought a few Australian engines ads. They are quite interesting > showing the Aussie agents for some well known overseas engines. > The first one is an Anthony Horden's ad for Challenge engines: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/challenge1918.jpg > The next is a Cooper ad showing a YB Stover: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/cooper1918.jpg > and this one is rare, an Australian Massey-Harris ad: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/mh1927.jpg > this one is a Buzacott ad showing a Buzacott engine but it is actually a > Fuller & Johnson engine with the logo on the hopper changed to a Buzacott > one (quite roughly). > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/buza1929.jpg > All of the Sydney addresses given on the ads are within 5km or so of my > place! When I get some time I will go and check out the addresses and see > what is there now. I know that Anthony Horden was knocked down in the late > 80's and the site is now apartments, a hotel, and an office building (it > is > a big site). > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Mar 28 18:40:34 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:40:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits In-Reply-To: <000f01c53402$a16aff10$d3b43dca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3><4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au> <013d01c533e9$90f99740$230110ac@PAUL> <000f01c53402$a16aff10$d3b43dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: > quite common the home of the very venomous Red Back Spider That's said to be able to bite right through fingernails. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Mon Mar 28 19:04:14 2005 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:04:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3><4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au><014d01c5339e$78088200$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <00b801c5340b$fd43f0e0$d3c57040@user> Back "40" used to have a bar stool mounted on a hydraulic jack. The release was behind the bar. More they drank, the lower they got. Paul Russell Riga, Michigan hit_n_miss at tc3net.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Quirky exhibits Not at an engine show but in Idaho there's a watering hole and inside the ladies bathroon is an indian statue. When the loin cloth/figleaf is raised, bells, buzzers and whistles go off all over the place. And they have a table that slowly lowers and raises. RickinMt. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 3/27/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 3/27/05 From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Mar 28 19:30:19 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:30:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits In-Reply-To: <00b801c5340b$fd43f0e0$d3c57040@user> References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3><4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au><014d01c5339e$78088200$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <00b801c5340b$fd43f0e0$d3c57040@user> Message-ID: That sounds like a safety device. On Mar 28, 2005, at 10:04 PM, Paul Russell wrote: > Back "40" used to have a bar stool mounted on a hydraulic jack. The > release > was behind the bar. More they drank, the lower they got. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jbcast at charter.net Mon Mar 28 19:30:42 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 3:30:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT - expansion of metals in oil pumps Message-ID: <3rr0ks$nthe9b@mxip05a.cluster1.charter.net> > > Engine oil pump - automotive gear type. Gears are steel (or some sort of > steel product) housing is aluminum - timing chain cover with pump body in > the timing cover. > The gear to housing end clearance is supposed to be VERY close to get the > pump to put out good pressure. > A lot of folks say this is a weak design - that the aluminum will expand > more and open clearances between the gears and the housing. > They claim the fix is to use aluminum gears in the alum housing so they > expand at the same rate, meaning a more accurate and tight pump, longer > life, higher pressure, etc. > Most pumps are designed with extra capacity, oil is flowing through the bypass above idle. The earlier Buick carbureted 3.8L had an undersize oil pump. An aftermarket kit had longer gears and a spacer plate to increase volume. J.B. Castagnos From plb at iinet.net.au Mon Mar 28 20:27:45 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:27:45 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3><4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au><013d01c533e9$90f99740$230110ac@PAUL><000f01c53402$a16aff10$d3b43dca@ogborneuah38i3> 190597020 Message-ID: <010801c53417$a822eb00$0201010a@Portable> Thats just the juveniles John. Once they get over 10 inches across the back they will bite right through 1/2 inch plate. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Quirky exhibits >> quite common the home of the very venomous Red Back Spider > > That's said to be able to bite right through fingernails. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Mar 28 21:17:05 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:17:05 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fat Bastard Message-ID: <20050328.211705.1472.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Anyone want another one? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=7502280 816&rd=1 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Mar 28 22:01:22 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:01:22 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Fat Bastard References: <20050328.211705.1472.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <003d01c53424$bfab2aa0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Jeeez, Ron would you suggest that Arnie is that very very rich.... John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Anyone want another one? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=7502280 > 816&rd=1 > Ron Haskell > > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Mar 28 22:32:45 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:32:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Gas Engines and Steam Tractors In-Reply-To: <4245DC13.6030907@steamengine.com.au> References: <001401c53216$416a9320$18cd940c@mcness.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050326105036.0f090a70@mail.alltel.net> <4245DC13.6030907@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050329012937.0f39c848@mail.alltel.net> At 05:02 PM 3/26/2005, you wrote: >Laugh away Dave, > Where do you think your electricity comes from? >Paul It comes out of the little outlet on the wall. Where the hell does it come from where you live? Dave PS, We also have indoor plumbing up here. Sorry about what you have down there! From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 28 22:52:00 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:52:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Gas Engines and Steam Tractors References: <001401c53216$416a9320$18cd940c@mcness.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050326105036.0f090a70@mail.alltel.net><4245DC13.6030907@steamengine.com.au> <6.1.2.0.0.20050329012937.0f39c848@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <004701c5342d$6dcc37c0$0301a8c0@Reg> Dave, you never fail to amaze and amuse me with your replies!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Gas Engines and Steam Tractors > At 05:02 PM 3/26/2005, you wrote: > >Laugh away Dave, > > Where do you think your electricity comes from? > >Paul > > It comes out of the little outlet on the wall. Where the hell does it come > from where you live? > Dave > PS, We also have indoor plumbing up here. Sorry about what you have down there! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 23:27:48 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:27:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ping: Tony Kimmell Message-ID: <6f602516050328232758509324@mail.gmail.com> Tony: Could you contact Peter Lowe regarding the out of date info on your R&V registration page please? Peter's email address is: plowe at ceinternet.com.au Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 23:36:03 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:36:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT - expansion of metals in oil pumps In-Reply-To: <200503290047.j2T0lE78033662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050328121725.0276a9f8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> <200503290047.j2T0lE78033662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050328233624678d30@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:46:44 -0600, Bill Dickerson wrote: > > For the engineers - rob, etc. > > Engine oil pump - automotive gear type. Gears are steel (or some sort of > steel product) housing is aluminum - timing chain cover with pump body in > the timing cover. > The gear to housing end clearance is supposed to be VERY close to get the > pump to put out good pressure. > A lot of folks say this is a weak design - that the aluminum will expand > more and open clearances between the gears and the housing. > They claim the fix is to use aluminum gears in the alum housing so they > expand at the same rate, meaning a more accurate and tight pump, longer > life, higher pressure, etc. > > Thoughts? > > Bill Ali will hold metal parts in the gear teeth surface, causing accelerated wear, while hardened steel gears won't. It's a wear thing more than anything else, and as has already been pointed out, you pump much more oil than you actually need so there is an allowance for wear and tear. I'd guess that if you had something very exotic like Titanium which work hardens then it might be a starter, but I'd stay with steel gears myself. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 23:47:45 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:47:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me In-Reply-To: <012301c533e7$6854b150$230110ac@PAUL> References: <012301c533e7$6854b150$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6f6025160503282347721b855c@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:42:19 -0600, Paul Maples wrote: > My Sister purchased a Gateway Desktop computer a couple of years ago, it had windows ME on it so this will give you an idea of it's age. Anyway she got on the internet with no virus protection and the next thing I know she is calling me and telling me that her computer will not do anything. I told her to do a system recovery on it but she knows little to nothing about computers and said she could not get it to do a system recovery. I later learned she had put the wrong recovery disk in first, she had put the one in that had all of the drivers on it and not the Operating Systems. By the time I got it someone else had installed Windows XP on it, it only has 64 Meg of Ram on it which is not enough to run XP efficiently. Also with Windows XP in it now it is not recognizing the CD drive. > > Anyway I am trying to get Windows XP off of it so I can put the original Recovery Disks in it and try and do a system recovery but I don't know how to dump the Windows XP operating System so I can start over, can someone tell me what I need to do. > > Thanks, > > Paul You'll need to make up a boot floppy disk for Windows ME (on another machine) then boot from that and start ME installation. That should give you the option to replce the XP installation. The other alternative is to format the drive and wipe it clean then do a clean install. We have always had a DOS installation on all our machines to give us the option of starting up in either Win2kPro or DOS (only Win2kPro or XP allows this dual-boot BTW IIRC) so that we can use the CD drive under DOS to do installation changes or whatever. Always worth remembering. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Mar 29 00:58:10 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:58:10 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT....the skill of a surgeon References: <000901c53402$271454f0$d3b43dca@ogborneuah38i3> <78ecd617458991b6fc35c9cd5f03eb46@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <000f01c5343d$73b0e770$92b73dca@ogborneuah38i3> John ,the consequences were freakish and not common but there have been several deaths from the same sort of activity. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT....the skill of a surgeon > Yeah, I read about that. Pretty awesome! > > That was a real freak accident! > > John > > On Mar 28, 2005, at 8:53 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > >> I have always admired the skill of a surgeon even though some can be >> arrogant and up themselves. There was a horrific accident here in Perth >> over the Easter weekend ,a10 year old boy had three limbs severed, two >> hands and a foot. This happened when a basket ball hoop came down >> bringing the brick wall and metal gutter and facia with it . I believe >> what is termed a ''Slam Dunk'' was being performed . >> Our major hospital immediately went into action . All three limbs have >> been re attached, so far with success. >> A commendable effort! >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Mar 29 01:12:29 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:12:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money References: <3rr9ri$q266rt@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net><002601c5320d$b1454e00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><009101c5324a$fbff2be0$0301a8c0@Reg> <004d01c53252$3f463540$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <013001c53440$48c74f60$0301a8c0@Reg> How much would a box of then cost? I would LOVE to donate a set to my mechanic mate. His Xmas present!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money > > Ha! I love it!!! > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > > I keep some of these on the counter . > > > http://www.creativedice.com/images/OpenBox-orderpg.jpg > > I need to put them on the web I guess , > the only guys that have bought them were techs . > Monday there was a 16 YO with a 20YO BMW got washed up here > I had him remove the water pump before I would sell him one > because it " wouldnt pump" It was in fine shape . > I handed him the blue die (cooling system) > he rolled -radiator- and looked at me all wide eyed > ( I had just told him the radiator was plugged up about 16 times) > and he says ........... " REALLY ?!?!?!? "" > > "only if you get the same thing twice , roll again" > > > Chuck > > Ps > I still cant believe Charlie had to unsubscribe for a little thing like this > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Mar 29 01:41:33 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:41:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Gas Engines and Steam Tractors In-Reply-To: <004701c5342d$6dcc37c0$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <001401c53216$416a9320$18cd940c@mcness.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050326105036.0f090a70@mail.alltel.net><4245DC13.6030907@steamengine.com.au> <6.1.2.0.0.20050329012937.0f39c848@mail.alltel.net> <004701c5342d$6dcc37c0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <424922CD.9010701@steamengine.com.au> I do have to pay that one... :) Out smart arsed by the king of smart arses - I can live with that... Paul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 4:32 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Gas Engines and Steam Tractors > > > >>At 05:02 PM 3/26/2005, you wrote: >> >>>Laugh away Dave, >>> Where do you think your electricity comes from? >>>Paul >> >>It comes out of the little outlet on the wall. Where the hell does it come >>from where you live? >> Dave >>PS, We also have indoor plumbing up here. Sorry about what you have down > > there! > >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 27/03/2005 From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Mar 29 01:43:08 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:43:08 +1000 Subject: Was Re: [SEL] Quirky exhibits - Now What is a dunny In-Reply-To: <013d01c533e9$90f99740$230110ac@PAUL> References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> <4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au> <013d01c533e9$90f99740$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <4249232C.1020200@steamengine.com.au> A dunny is a slang word for toilet. Paul Paul Maples wrote: > Paul I will play...........what is a dunny seat? > > Paul > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 27/03/2005 From nick at holden1.net Tue Mar 29 01:43:44 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:43:44 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Lister Kibiling mill Message-ID: <42492350.000003.02992@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi some photos of my lister mill i have just finished oiling with raw linseed oil have any of you seen one like this ? i have not been able to get any info on it at all nick Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4284455&a=31700683 From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Mar 29 02:08:36 2005 From: russell at ncable.com.au (the gourmet chef) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:08:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050329200519.00b21be0@mail.ncable.com.au> G'day all, just wondering if Curt Holland was the only person at the national with a camera???? Surely there must be a few more pics kicking about that the unlucky ones could view! Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Mar 29 04:11:03 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:11:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Lister paint colours overseas Message-ID: <6f602516050329041122676b61@mail.gmail.com> I receive many requests both from List members and from others about the correct Lister paint colour. The actual reference is: BS381C Shade 226 Mid Brunswick Green. In the UK, there is a Dupont paint reference 47617, but this does not translate into any other Dupont region, ie: you can't go to Dupont in California and throw that number at them and get this colour. I have just renewed my acquaintaince with the guy at Dupont UK who has confirmed that we cannot use the UK reference in the USA etc. The BS reference system is recognised by paint makers worldwide and they 'should' be able to mix to that colour reference. I will also bring over with me this year a few paint swatche samples to leave with guys to get colour matches with, this will help matters I hope. I have to get these made up and painted, but hope to be able to bring some to Tulare and to Portland. Same applies to epoxy powder, we can get powder made to colour, but have to buy 100kgs minimum order, nobody carries the colour on the shelf (25kg boxes) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Mar 29 04:51:22 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:51:22 EST Subject: [SEL] Show pictures Message-ID: <59.2468202e.2f7aa94a@aol.com> In a message dated 3/27/2005 5:11:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: << Just finished getting the pictures up from our annual indoor show complete with fences. >> Jeff, Thanks for the mall pictures. Our club used to show in the mall too, but the insurance costs just got to prohibited. The mall would not provide it. It was a nice late winter place to show our stuff. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Mar 29 04:54:58 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:54:58 EST Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale Message-ID: <92.23b70ec1.2f7aaa22@aol.com> In a message dated 3/27/2005 12:19:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: << Hi Tom, Art did not ask about shows in Ireland. He asked about shows in June. >> Sorry Dave, I just glanced at his message and read into it he was looking for shows in Ireland. I should not have questioned your infinite wisdom! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Mar 29 05:29:24 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:29:24 +0100 Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale In-Reply-To: <92.23b70ec1.2f7aaa22@aol.com> References: <92.23b70ec1.2f7aaa22@aol.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050329052968df7921@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:54:58 EST, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/27/2005 12:19:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rotigel at alltel.net writes: > > << Hi Tom, Art did not ask about shows in Ireland. He asked about shows in > June. >> > > Sorry Dave, I just glanced at his message and read into it he was looking for > shows in Ireland. I should not have questioned your infinite wisdom! > > Tom Schmutz That's how most of us read it too, Tom, you're not alone...:-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Mar 29 05:36:47 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 05:36:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits In-Reply-To: References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3><4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au> <013d01c533e9$90f99740$230110ac@PAUL> <000f01c53402$a16aff10$d3b43dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <2117.165.206.180.102.1112103407.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Mike Bowlin is not longer on list - so I'll list his quirky exhibit - A sheep, about 18" or so tall, with wool and all, had a windscreen washer nozzle I believe it was, for a mouth. A small hose ran back to a bucket of water and a windscreen washer pump. Mike had a remote button he pushed from his lawnchair to run the pump. There was a sign that said "BAD SHEEP" or something like that. If folks got too close, the sheep spit on them. Got a lot of laughs until the Iowa State Fair folks got all over him for causing a dangerous situation when one old fart nearly stumbled while backing away. I used to display my mudpump working - pumping water through a large barrel. When it was in suction mode I'd encourage the kids to put their hands over the outlet end to make it work. Of course when the diaphram went into the downstroke, they got SOAKED royally. That was like a 3.5" pipe pumping a full stream. > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 29 05:51:09 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:51:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Tony Kimmell, Where Are You? Message-ID: Pete, Now that you have broadband, you REALLY need to sign up on the SEL again. See ya, Arnie ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Peter Lowe [mailto:plowe at exemail.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 6:03 AM Is Tony Kimmell on ATIS List ??? could you find out for me please. From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Mar 29 05:56:11 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 05:56:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT - expansion of metals in oil pumps In-Reply-To: <200503290154.j2T1sPdC049809@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200503290047.j2T0lE78033662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <200503290154.j2T1sPdC049809@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <2132.165.206.180.102.1112104571.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Thanks, so for 350 horsepower I'd need 3 times 350 drops of oil per minute or 1050 drops per minute. How many drops in a quart? >> For the engineers - rob, etc. >> >>Engine oil pump - automotive gear type. Gears are steel (or >>some sort of steel product) housing is aluminum - timing >>chain cover with pump body in the timing cover. The gear >>to housing end clearance is supposed to be VERY close to >>get the pump to put out good pressure. A lot of folks say >>this is a weak design - that the aluminum will expand more >>and open clearances between the gears and the housing. >>They claim the fix is to use aluminum gears in the alum >>housing so they expand at the same rate, meaning a more >>accurate and tight pump, longer life, higher pressure, etc. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Bill > > > > Under full load, about three drops per minute per horsepower. > > Rob > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 29 06:04:09 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:04:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Fat Bastard In-Reply-To: <003d01c53424$bfab2aa0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <20050328.211705.1472.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> <003d01c53424$bfab2aa0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: But John, that one has a REAL Crossley oiler!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, John Hammink wrote: > Jeeez, Ron would you suggest that Arnie is > that very very rich.... > > > Anyone want another one? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=7502280816 > > Ron Haskell From George_Best at adp.com Tue Mar 29 07:41:54 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:41:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Want to go to Tulare? Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF1FF1E2@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> The guy that was going to go to Tulare with me called last night and cancelled. So I'm looking for someone from the NW who would be interested in going with me and sharing a room. I'll be leaving either Thursday or very very early on Friday to drive down to Tulare (800 miles). Depending on what time I head south will determine on whether I stop to visit some collections on my way south. I'll head back north after the tractor pull on Sunday afternoon and spend the night in northern CA if possible. Plan on returning to the Portland (OR) area during the day on Monday. Whether I find someone to go along and share fuel expense or not, I will be going. WAIT George From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 29 07:58:53 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:58:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] The Importance of Goats Message-ID: Hiya Folks, Since we have a number of "newbies" on the list these days and since Charlie Bryant is now back "among us" after having a tune-up, valve job, and new buzz coil installed, I think its time to refresh people's memories on the Importance of Goats in the engine world. This should also help you understand whats going on if you see your engine mates putting bloody handprints on their engine. http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/sacrifice.htm Enjoy!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Mar 29 08:00:18 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:00:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fat Bastard In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Arnie, That Crossley is the one I decided NOT to buy last year because of problems. I think it has changed hands at least three times since Bill sold it! How these things get around! Steve >From: Arnie Fero >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Fat Bastard >Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:04:09 -0500 (EST) > >But John, that one has a REAL Crossley oiler!! 8-)) > >See ya, Arnie > >On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, John Hammink wrote: > > > Jeeez, Ron would you suggest that Arnie is > > that very very rich.... > > > > > Anyone want another one? >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=7502280816 > > > Ron Haskell >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 29 08:11:06 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:11:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - expansion of metals in oil pumps References: <200503290047.j2T0lE78033662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <00b801c53479$e9f100a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > A lot of folks say this is a weak design - that the aluminum will expand > more and open clearances between the gears and the housing. > They claim the fix is to use aluminum gears in the alum housing so they > expand at the same rate, meaning a more accurate and tight pump, longer > life, higher pressure, etc. IOW in 101 years of developement they havent tried that yet ? What I see over and over is aluminum thrust surfaces (ie oil filter adapters plate ) with a figure 8 shaped notch . The gears burrow downward and allow some oil to bypassover the top of the gears . Had an iron sb chevy pump in my hands this AM with same wear . You could rattle the gears around a bit like a morracca . Barring no oil changes and excess dirt and scotchbrite silica additives the aluminum stuff still lasts a long ass time . havent seen an al gear though Drops per gallon.. Id google some fiberglass hardener links From curt at imc-group.com Tue Mar 29 09:12:13 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:12:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - expansion of metals in oil pumps In-Reply-To: <200503290047.j2T0lE78033662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200503290047.j2T0lE78033662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <42498C6D.4070709@imc-group.com> Bill, A bit of quick math will shed some light on the question I think you are asking. Assume you have to design an oil pump that will operate at -50F up to the operating temp of the engine, say 250F. That is a Delta T of 300F. Cof. of expansion for steel is .00000633 Cof. of expansion for alum is .00001244 Most pumps I've seen are about 1" long, but to amplify the problem of expansion a little lets assume the rotor is a long rotor of 1 1/2". Change in length of the steel rotors: .00000633(300F)*1.5" = .00284 Change in length of the alum housing: .00001244(300F)*1.5" = .00554 Subtract the two and the difference is .00275 If you build the pump for a clearance of a few tenths at -50 you will only have a couple of thou clearance at operating temp. Don't think this is really a problem in terms of the leakage thru this gap. Especially considering that this clearance will be split between both ends. That would be .0015 each end. Just my .002 cents worth. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Bill Dickerson wrote: > >For the engineers - rob, etc. > >Engine oil pump - automotive gear type. Gears are steel (or some sort of >steel product) housing is aluminum - timing chain cover with pump body in >the timing cover. >The gear to housing end clearance is supposed to be VERY close to get the >pump to put out good pressure. >A lot of folks say this is a weak design - that the aluminum will expand >more and open clearances between the gears and the housing. >They claim the fix is to use aluminum gears in the alum housing so they >expand at the same rate, meaning a more accurate and tight pump, longer >life, higher pressure, etc. > >Thoughts? > >Bill > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Tue Mar 29 09:19:48 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:19:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - expansion of metals in oil pumps References: <200503290047.j2T0lE78033662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <200503290154.j2T1sPdC049809@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <2132.165.206.180.102.1112104571.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <003d01c53483$83370b70$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Get the pump from a Jeep Cherokee with a 401 engine . I beieve it is made of iron/Any how , it's supposed to fix your problem. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:56 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] OT - expansion of metals in oil pumps > Thanks, so for 350 horsepower I'd need 3 times 350 drops of oil per minute > or 1050 drops per minute. > How many drops in a quart? > >>> For the engineers - rob, etc. >>> >>>Engine oil pump - automotive gear type. Gears are steel (or >>>some sort of steel product) housing is aluminum - timing >>>chain cover with pump body in the timing cover. The gear >>>to housing end clearance is supposed to be VERY close to >>>get the pump to put out good pressure. A lot of folks say >>>this is a weak design - that the aluminum will expand more >>>and open clearances between the gears and the housing. >>>They claim the fix is to use aluminum gears in the alum >>>housing so they expand at the same rate, meaning a more >>>accurate and tight pump, longer life, higher pressure, etc. >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> Bill >> >> >> >> Under full load, about three drops per minute per horsepower. >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 3/27/2005 > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Mar 29 10:52:15 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:52:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT - expansion of metals in oil pumps In-Reply-To: <42498C6D.4070709@imc-group.com> References: <200503290047.j2T0lE78033662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <42498C6D.4070709@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160503291052386e6ed4@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:12:13 -0500, Curt wrote: > Bill, > A bit of quick math will shed some light on the question I think you are > asking. > Assume you have to design an oil pump that will operate at -50F up to > the operating temp of the engine, say 250F. > That is a Delta T of 300F. > Cof. of expansion for steel is .00000633 > Cof. of expansion for alum is .00001244 > > Most pumps I've seen are about 1" long, but to amplify the problem of > expansion a little lets assume the rotor is a long rotor of 1 1/2". > > Change in length of the steel rotors: .00000633(300F)*1.5" = .00284 > Change in length of the alum housing: .00001244(300F)*1.5" = .00554 > > Subtract the two and the difference is .00275 > > If you build the pump for a clearance of a few tenths at -50 you will > only have a couple of thou clearance at operating temp. Don't think this > is really a problem in terms of the leakage thru this gap. Especially > considering that this clearance will be split between both ends. That > would be .0015 each end. > > Just my .002 cents worth. > Curt Holland Here's another 2/100th of a dollar's worth: If the Ali is Lo-ex or similar, then the expansion rate difference becomes vanishingly small, so my money is definitely on the wear rate being a significant factor. A lot of companies used Hoborn-Eaton concentric rotor pumps over here, especially the Mini and that range of engines. They used an Ali housing with steel rotors. Concentric rotor pumps use a rotating driven inner and a rotating driven outer, having a tooth form of contact but with unequal numbers of teeth to keep wear down. Bit like a very simplified Wankel in fact... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From art at etsnj.com Tue Mar 29 14:13:48 2005 From: art at etsnj.com (Art Oswald) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:13:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] shows in Ireland in June In-Reply-To: <6f602516050329052968df7921@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001501c534ac$9a2da8b0$1202a8c0@artb0y712ywxp8> I was asking about shows in Ireland, in June. Sorry for the confusion. Art Oswald -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:29 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:54:58 EST, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/27/2005 12:19:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rotigel at alltel.net writes: > > << Hi Tom, Art did not ask about shows in Ireland. He asked about shows in > June. >> > > Sorry Dave, I just glanced at his message and read into it he was looking for > shows in Ireland. I should not have questioned your infinite wisdom! > > Tom Schmutz That's how most of us read it too, Tom, you're not alone...:-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1847 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Mar 29 14:43:39 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:43:39 EST Subject: [SEL] shows in Ireland in June Message-ID: <145.42895042.2f7b341b@aol.com> In a message dated 3/29/2005 5:39:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, art at etsnj.com writes: << I was asking about shows in Ireland, in June. Sorry for the confusion. >> Art There really is no confusion except for Dave partaking of too much Easter Bunny schnapps and as usual trying to confuse the issue. Have a nice trip to Ireland! Would they have a website to look up festivals in the country? Just a thought. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Mar 29 04:04:56 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:04:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor crank offset. In-Reply-To: <42487345.2000100@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, Please take plenty of pictures of the fixture and process so you can share them. I know I would love to see them. Sorry I can't help with your question. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================== >From: Curt >On the Baker Monitor engines the centerline of the cylinder is offset from >the mains to reduce side forces on the piston on the power stroke. This is >well discussed and promoted in the original literature. For the purposes of >repouring the mains I need to know exactly how far off of cylinder >centerline the mains are. Does anyone happen to know? I am making a fixture >to hold the dummy shaft in just the correct position parallel to the >camshaft and parallel to the cylinder mounting flange. >Thanks, >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Mar 29 04:07:14 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:07:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fat Bastard In-Reply-To: <20050328.211705.1472.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: The engine isn't very far from me if someone wants to buy it I could probably pick it up and get it to Portland this fall. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ==================== >From: rdhaskell at juno.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Fat Bastard >Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:17:05 -0800 > >Anyone want another one? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=7502280 >816&rd=1 >Ron Haskell > >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Mar 29 04:01:36 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:01:36 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Babbit bearings & pitted shafts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Andy, You could always fix the crankshaft with JB Weld and use a dummy shaft the same size as the crankshaft to pour the bearing around. Luke Tonneberger Rockforrd, Michigan USA ======================= >From: "Andy Glines" > >I need to pour some new bearings and the shaft has some deep pits. My >original plan was to simply fill the pits with JB weld or Devcon and sand >flush with the existing shaft. The filler will have plenty of strength on >the shaft but I wonder how it will hold up to the heat of pouring the >bearing? Who has experience with this problem? From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 29 16:47:25 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:47:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050330004725.482.qmail@web31304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Reg, Here is a better link. http://www.creativedice.com/productinfo.html The cost is $16.95 and for me the shipping is $7.00. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- Reg Ingold wrote: > How much would a box of then cost? > I would LOVE to donate a set to my mechanic mate. > > His Xmas present!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 8:22 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money > > > > > Ha! I love it!!! > > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > > > > I keep some of these on the counter . > > > > http://www.creativedice.com/images/OpenBox-orderpg.jpg > > > > I need to put them on the web I guess , > > the only guys that have bought them were techs . > > Monday there was a 16 YO with a 20YO BMW got washed up here > > I had him remove the water pump before I would sell him one > > because it " wouldnt pump" It was in fine shape . > > I handed him the blue die (cooling system) > > he rolled -radiator- and looked at me all wide eyed > > ( I had just told him the radiator was plugged up about 16 times) > > and he says ........... " REALLY ?!?!?!? "" > > > > "only if you get the same thing twice , roll again" > > > > > > Chuck > > > > Ps > > I still cant believe Charlie had to unsubscribe for a little thing like > this > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Mar 29 17:00:12 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:00:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] shows in Ireland in June In-Reply-To: <145.42895042.2f7b341b@aol.com> References: <145.42895042.2f7b341b@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050329195741.0f3fdc40@mail.alltel.net> ><< I was asking about shows in Ireland, in June. > Sorry for the confusion. >> >Ar >There really is no confusion except for Dave partaking of too much Easter >Bunny schnapps and as usual trying to confuse the issue. >Tom Schmutz Hi Tom, What most LIBERALS do not understand is that words mean things! Dave From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Mar 29 17:24:55 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:24:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money In-Reply-To: <20050330004725.482.qmail@web31304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050330004725.482.qmail@web31304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4249FFE7.8000304@earthlink.net> Alan, Wish I could use em, but they don't cover transmission problems. :-) Still a lot of fun. Jeff Allen Alan Bowen wrote: >Hi Reg, >Here is a better link. > >http://www.creativedice.com/productinfo.html > >The cost is $16.95 and for me the shipping is $7.00. > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > > >--- Reg Ingold wrote: > > >>How much would a box of then cost? >>I would LOVE to donate a set to my mechanic mate. >> >>His Xmas present!! >>Reg & Marg Ingold. >>Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 8:22 AM >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money >> >> >> >> >>>>Ha! I love it!!! >>>>Reg & Marg Ingold. >>>> >>>> >>>>>I keep some of these on the counter . >>>>> http://www.creativedice.com/images/OpenBox-orderpg.jpg >>>>> >>>>> >>>I need to put them on the web I guess , >>>the only guys that have bought them were techs . >>>Monday there was a 16 YO with a 20YO BMW got washed up here >>>I had him remove the water pump before I would sell him one >>>because it " wouldnt pump" It was in fine shape . >>>I handed him the blue die (cooling system) >>>he rolled -radiator- and looked at me all wide eyed >>>( I had just told him the radiator was plugged up about 16 times) >>>and he says ........... " REALLY ?!?!?!? "" >>> >>>"only if you get the same thing twice , roll again" >>> >>> >>>Chuck >>> >>>Ps >>>I still cant believe Charlie had to unsubscribe for a little thing like >>> >>> >>this >> >> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Mar 29 07:42:36 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:42:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] latest BF Message-ID: Instead of using the expensive blueprint/layout ink when machining, why not use a Bingo Dauber? http://us-bingo.com/bingo-daubers.html Thot of this after Corky spilt the whole bottle of pro stuff. or "Jus Slap Me" RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Mar 29 05:20:51 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:20:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me References: <012301c533e7$6854b150$230110ac@PAUL> <6f6025160503282347721b855c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Howdy Paul; Being a past ME user for more than five years, I can tell you the best thing I did was switch to XP. ME was heartache and heartbreak every time I turned the darn thing on. Lockup's were probably the most common downfall. I would suggest she get more RAM if that's feasible and stick with XP. Word of caution tho, there are some programs I had that won't run on XP. later my friend RickinMt. Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me > On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:42:19 -0600, Paul Maples > wrote: > > My Sister purchased a Gateway Desktop computer a couple of years ago, it > > had windows ME on it so this will give you an idea of it's age. Anyway > > she got on the internet with no virus protection and the next thing I > > know she is calling me and telling me that her computer will not do > > anything. I told her to do a system recovery on it but she knows little > > to nothing about computers and said she could not get it to do a system > > recovery. I later learned she had put the wrong recovery disk in first, > > she had put the one in that had all of the drivers on it and not the > > Operating Systems. By the time I got it someone else had installed > > Windows XP on it, it only has 64 Meg of Ram on it which is not enough to > > run XP efficiently. Also with Windows XP in it now it is not recognizing > > the CD drive. > > > > Anyway I am trying to get Windows XP off of it so I can put the original > > Recovery Disks in it and try and do a system recovery but I don't know > > how to dump the Windows XP operating System so I can start over, can > > someone tell me what I need to do. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Paul > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 29 18:55:38 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:55:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me References: <012301c533e7$6854b150$230110ac@PAUL><6f6025160503282347721b855c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000a01c534d3$f706d0d0$230110ac@PAUL> I agree with you Rick on getting rid of ME. Thanks Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me > Howdy Paul; > Being a past ME user for more than five years, I can tell you the best > thing I did was switch to XP. ME was heartache and heartbreak every time > I turned the darn thing on. Lockup's were probably the most common > downfall. > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Mar 29 22:46:22 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:46:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me In-Reply-To: References: <012301c533e7$6854b150$230110ac@PAUL> <6f6025160503282347721b855c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050329224652a9022e@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:20:51 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy Paul; > Being a past ME user for more than five years, I can tell you the best > thing I did was switch to XP. ME was heartache and heartbreak every time I > turned the darn thing on. Lockup's were probably the most common downfall. > > I would suggest she get more RAM if that's feasible and stick with XP. > Word of caution tho, there are some programs I had that won't run on XP. > > later my friend > RickinMt. Go to Windows 2000 if possible, it has far fewer programme compatibility issues than XP. 128mb of Ram is fine, 256mb and more is better, but it will run on as little as 32mb. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From nick at holden1.net Tue Mar 29 23:41:47 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:41:47 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Fw: Re: SEL Kibiling Mill Message-ID: <424A583B.000001.01692@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> -------Original Message------- From: nick Date: 03/30/05 08:28:04 To: Paul Russell Subject: Re: SEL Kibiling Mill Hi Paul as i can get no information on it all i can call it is what the old farmer i got it from called it he told me his dad got it new so any suggestions as to when it was made or what it is really called will be good i think as their is only one roller and then you adjust in or out a plate to it then it just cracks the corn Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4284455&a=31700683 -------Original Message------- From: Paul Russell Date: 03/30/05 03:30:31 To: nick at holden1.net Subject: SEL Kibiling Mill Gotta ask as I ain't real smart, but what is a kibiling mill? Thought it was like a grist mill, but only one roller. Looks real good. Like the "original" looks more than the "refurfished" look. Thanks for your time. Paul Russell Riga, Michigan hit_n_miss at tc3net.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.5 - Release Date: 3/29/05 From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 30 00:44:33 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:44:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] carby Message-ID: Hi All, hoping someone can shed some light on this carby. It is a National Oil Gas Generator CO chi ILL which is cast into the side of the fuel bowl.The fuel bowl has a float in it and the main body has needle and seat there is also an air valve set up on one side .Where the fuel comes in past the needle it then goes up a chamber then comes out what looks like a burner of a barby.It is on a 6hp Armstrong i have just started to restore. Any imformation on this would be apprieciated. Dave in oz _________________________________________________________________ Credit card. Apply now. 60 sec response. Must be over 18. AU only: http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/clk;11046970;10638934;f?http://www.anz.com/aus/promo/first0105ninemsn/default.asp From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Mar 30 03:15:57 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:15:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Pouring Babbit Inserts. Message-ID: <000701c53519$dccb1b40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi All, Got a nice and helpfull article about pouring babbit inserts for IHC M engines on my web page, with many thanks to Tom Green from Minnesota for his approbation. It can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/babbitpouringMpage.htm Next time I need new bearing inserts I will try it myself, would be my first experience in babbit pouring. Enjoy the Write-up, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Mar 30 03:21:37 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:21:37 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The Importance of Goats Message-ID: <033020051121.7159.424A8BC1000D301100001BF721979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Well Arnie being of "old world" heritage I must comment on this report. Roast goat tastes very much like spring lamb if properly cooked. In the past have raised both animals and they have better flavor then beef steak. As for bring good luck to out engines running better after scrafice thats questionable.... Thats an old "witch craft" belief! Curt > Hiya Folks, > > Since we have a number of "newbies" on the list these days and since > Charlie Bryant is now back "among us" after having a tune-up, valve job, > and new buzz coil installed, I think its time to refresh people's memories > on the Importance of Goats in the engine world. This should also help you > understand whats going on if you see your engine mates putting bloody > handprints on their engine. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/sacrifice.htm > > Enjoy!! > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 30 05:55:13 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:55:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] The Importance of Goats In-Reply-To: <033020051121.7159.424A8BC1000D301100001BF721979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <033020051121.7159.424A8BC1000D301100001BF721979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, I vote for the "witchcraft." It works as well as prayer, but has the added benefit of allowing you to eat the sacrificial animals!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Well Arnie being of "old world" heritage I must comment on this report. Roast > goat tastes very much like spring lamb if properly cooked. In the past have > raised both animals and they have better flavor then beef steak. As for bring > good luck to out engines running better after scrafice thats questionable.... > Thats an old "witch craft" belief! > Curt > > > Since we have a number of "newbies" on the list these days and since > > Charlie Bryant is now back "among us" after having a tune-up, valve job, > > and new buzz coil installed, I think its time to refresh people's memories > > on the Importance of Goats in the engine world. This should also help you > > understand whats going on if you see your engine mates putting bloody > > handprints on their engine. > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/sacrifice.htm From jimjirik at earthlink.net Wed Mar 30 06:16:37 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:16:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me Message-ID: <410-220053330141637309@earthlink.net> I think his biggest issue is that the CD rom is not being recognized. You can go to a website called Driverzone.com and find the driver for the cdrom installed in the computer. Of course, that means you will have to open the computer to find the make/ model the cdrom drive. If you can't access the internet on that machine you can always download on a floppy or usb drive from another machine and then install on the problem machine. Hope this helps, Jim Jirik > [Original Message] > From: Richard Strobel > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 3/29/2005 8:34:32 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me > > Howdy Paul; > Being a past ME user for more than five years, I can tell you the best > thing I did was switch to XP. ME was heartache and heartbreak every time I > turned the darn thing on. Lockup's were probably the most common downfall. > > I would suggest she get more RAM if that's feasible and stick with XP. > Word of caution tho, there are some programs I had that won't run on XP. > > > later my friend > RickinMt. > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me > > > > On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:42:19 -0600, Paul Maples > > wrote: > > > My Sister purchased a Gateway Desktop computer a couple of years ago, it > > > had windows ME on it so this will give you an idea of it's age. Anyway > > > she got on the internet with no virus protection and the next thing I > > > know she is calling me and telling me that her computer will not do > > > anything. I told her to do a system recovery on it but she knows little > > > to nothing about computers and said she could not get it to do a system > > > recovery. I later learned she had put the wrong recovery disk in first, > > > she had put the one in that had all of the drivers on it and not the > > > Operating Systems. By the time I got it someone else had installed > > > Windows XP on it, it only has 64 Meg of Ram on it which is not enough to > > > run XP efficiently. Also with Windows XP in it now it is not recognizing > > > the CD drive. > > > > > > Anyway I am trying to get Windows XP off of it so I can put the original > > > Recovery Disks in it and try and do a system recovery but I don't know > > > how to dump the Windows XP operating System so I can start over, can > > > someone tell me what I need to do. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Mar 30 07:00:07 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:00:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] The Importance of Goats In-Reply-To: References: <033020051121.7159.424A8BC1000D301100001BF721979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <4770.165.206.180.102.1112194807.squirrel@antique-engines.com> >>As for bring good luck to out engines running better after scrafice thats questionable.... > Thats an old "witch craft" belief!<< Can that be proven? Bill > Hi Curt, > > I vote for the "witchcraft." It works as well as prayer, but has the > added benefit of allowing you to eat the sacrificial animals!! 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > >> Well Arnie being of "old world" heritage I must comment on this report. >> Roast >> goat tastes very much like spring lamb if properly cooked. In the past >> have >> raised both animals and they have better flavor then beef steak. As for >> bring >> good luck to out engines running better after scrafice thats >> questionable.... >> Thats an old "witch craft" belief! >> Curt >> >> > Since we have a number of "newbies" on the list these days and since >> > Charlie Bryant is now back "among us" after having a tune-up, valve >> job, >> > and new buzz coil installed, I think its time to refresh people's >> memories >> > on the Importance of Goats in the engine world. This should also help >> you >> > understand whats going on if you see your engine mates putting bloody >> > handprints on their engine. >> > >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/sacrifice.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Mar 30 07:04:39 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:04:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me In-Reply-To: <410-220053330141637309@earthlink.net> References: <410-220053330141637309@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4776.165.206.180.102.1112195079.squirrel@antique-engines.com> I'm shocked - I have yet to see a CD that XP didn't recognize. Cd's are so basic, and there are actually semi-universal drivers that XP uses if an exact model can't be determined. This will be interesting! You want AT LEAST 256K RAM for XP, 512K is better, 1 gig is best. If you wanna dump XP, you'll probably need to reformat the drive and start over with a clean OS install. Windows ME is the worst Windows since Windows 3.0 or Win95. It's prone to crashes and flakiness. I'd run Win98 before I'd run ME. Bill > I think his biggest issue is that the CD rom is not being recognized. You > can go to a website called Driverzone.com and find the driver for the > cdrom > installed in the computer. Of course, that means you will have to open > the > computer to find the make/ model the cdrom drive. If you can't access the > internet on that machine you can always download on a floppy or usb drive > from another machine and then install on the problem machine. > > Hope this helps, > Jim Jirik > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Richard Strobel >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 3/29/2005 8:34:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me >> >> Howdy Paul; >> Being a past ME user for more than five years, I can tell you the best >> thing I did was switch to XP. ME was heartache and heartbreak every >> time > I >> turned the darn thing on. Lockup's were probably the most common > downfall. >> >> I would suggest she get more RAM if that's feasible and stick with XP. >> Word of caution tho, there are some programs I had that won't run on XP. >> >> >> later my friend >> RickinMt. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me >> >> >> > On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:42:19 -0600, Paul Maples >> > wrote: >> > > My Sister purchased a Gateway Desktop computer a couple of years >> ago, > it >> > > had windows ME on it so this will give you an idea of it's age. > Anyway >> > > she got on the internet with no virus protection and the next thing >> I >> > > know she is calling me and telling me that her computer will not do >> > > anything. I told her to do a system recovery on it but she knows > little >> > > to nothing about computers and said she could not get it to do a > system >> > > recovery. I later learned she had put the wrong recovery disk in > first, >> > > she had put the one in that had all of the drivers on it and not the >> > > Operating Systems. By the time I got it someone else had installed >> > > Windows XP on it, it only has 64 Meg of Ram on it which is not >> enough > to >> > > run XP efficiently. Also with Windows XP in it now it is not > recognizing >> > > the CD drive. >> > > >> > > Anyway I am trying to get Windows XP off of it so I can put the > original >> > > Recovery Disks in it and try and do a system recovery but I don't > know >> > > how to dump the Windows XP operating System so I can start over, can >> > > someone tell me what I need to do. >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > >> > > Paul >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 07:19:29 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:19:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me In-Reply-To: <410-220053330141637309@earthlink.net> References: <410-220053330141637309@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160503300719346be882@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:16:37 -0600, Jim Jirik wrote: > I think his biggest issue is that the CD rom is not being recognized. You > can go to a website called Driverzone.com and find the driver for the cdrom > installed in the computer. Of course, that means you will have to open the > computer to find the make/ model the cdrom drive. If you can't access the > internet on that machine you can always download on a floppy or usb drive > from another machine and then install on the problem machine. > > Hope this helps, > Jim Jirik Hi Jim: If the CD drive is recognised in BIOS then the machine should boot from an install CD, regardless. Win2kPro and other OS's do this without external drivers so they can start on a new machine. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From falcon at telenet.net Wed Mar 30 09:47:49 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:47:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me References: <410-220053330141637309@earthlink.net> <4776.165.206.180.102.1112195079.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <001b01c53550$979e0aa0$501117d1@net.telenet.net> Some day I may figure out why everyone is so down on ME. I have it on about 6 machines and have NEVER had a problem with it. No crashes (that were not MY fault ) no problems with hardware. I know a LOT of people who have it and love it as well. I am still looking for a retail copy for another machine I have here (want to put it in the shop as a jukebox / manual source). ME seems to get kicked around a lot BUT if you look at the coding you find that it is 98SE with about 6 added features. The my pictures screensaver, thumbnail viewing of files, better driver support, better USB support, and larger HD support, plus it doesn't need tons of memory or high speed processors to run. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me > I'm shocked - I have yet to see a CD that XP didn't recognize. Cd's are so > basic, and there are actually semi-universal drivers that XP uses if an > exact model can't be determined. > This will be interesting! > > You want AT LEAST 256K RAM for XP, 512K is better, 1 gig is best. > > If you wanna dump XP, you'll probably need to reformat the drive and start > over with a clean OS install. > Windows ME is the worst Windows since Windows 3.0 or Win95. > It's prone to crashes and flakiness. > I'd run Win98 before I'd run ME. > > Bill From falcon at telenet.net Wed Mar 30 10:01:14 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:01:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Re: SEL Kibiling Mill References: <424A583B.000001.01692@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <002101c53552$777e8d60$501117d1@net.telenet.net> Could it be a kibbling mill? Like you use to make kibble (think dog / horse pellet style food) They use a roller to make the damp crushed ingredients into a long tootsie roll shaped rod, This is then dried and broken up into pieces. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:41 AM Subject: [SEL] Fw: Re: SEL Kibiling Mill -------Original Message------- From: nick Date: 03/30/05 08:28:04 To: Paul Russell Subject: Re: SEL Kibiling Mill Hi Paul as i can get no information on it all i can call it is what the old farmer i got it from called it he told me his dad got it new so any suggestions as to when it was made or what it is really called will be good i think as their is only one roller and then you adjust in or out a plate to it then it just cracks the corn Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4284455&a=31700683 -------Original Message------- From: Paul Russell Date: 03/30/05 03:30:31 To: nick at holden1.net Subject: SEL Kibiling Mill Gotta ask as I ain't real smart, but what is a kibiling mill? Thought it was like a grist mill, but only one roller. Looks real good. Like the "original" looks more than the "refurfished" look. Thanks for your time. Paul Russell Riga, Michigan hit_n_miss at tc3net.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.5 - Release Date: 3/29/05 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Mar 30 10:17:15 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:17:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me References: <410-220053330141637309@earthlink.net><4776.165.206.180.102.1112195079.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <001b01c53550$979e0aa0$501117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <001701c53554$cfe14860$2aa4f504@x8h7l9> I still use ME also. Changing operating systems is a pain in the but to learn. I also use the DOS once in while to do tasks windows can't do. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me > Some day I may figure out why everyone is so down on ME. I have it on > about 6 machines and have NEVER had a problem with it. No crashes (that > were not MY fault ) no problems with hardware. I know a LOT of people > who have it and love it as well. I am still looking for a retail copy > for another machine I have here (want to put it in the shop as a jukebox > / manual source). > > ME seems to get kicked around a lot BUT if you look at the coding you > find that it is 98SE with about 6 added features. The my pictures > screensaver, thumbnail viewing of files, better driver support, better > USB support, and larger HD support, plus it doesn't need tons of memory > or high speed processors to run. > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:04 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me > > > > I'm shocked - I have yet to see a CD that XP didn't recognize. Cd's > are so > > basic, and there are actually semi-universal drivers that XP uses if > an > > exact model can't be determined. > > This will be interesting! > > > > You want AT LEAST 256K RAM for XP, 512K is better, 1 gig is best. > > > > If you wanna dump XP, you'll probably need to reformat the drive and > start > > over with a clean OS install. > > Windows ME is the worst Windows since Windows 3.0 or Win95. > > It's prone to crashes and flakiness. > > I'd run Win98 before I'd run ME. > > > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 10:45:11 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:45:11 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me In-Reply-To: <001b01c53550$979e0aa0$501117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <410-220053330141637309@earthlink.net> <4776.165.206.180.102.1112195079.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <001b01c53550$979e0aa0$501117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605033010456f5a426c@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:47:49 -0500, Steve W. wrote: > Some day I may figure out why everyone is so down on ME. I have it on > about 6 machines and have NEVER had a problem with it. No crashes (that > were not MY fault ) no problems with hardware. I know a LOT of people > who have it and love it as well. I am still looking for a retail copy > for another machine I have here (want to put it in the shop as a jukebox > / manual source). > > ME seems to get kicked around a lot BUT if you look at the coding you > find that it is 98SE with about 6 added features. The my pictures > screensaver, thumbnail viewing of files, better driver support, better > USB support, and larger HD support, plus it doesn't need tons of memory > or high speed processors to run. > > Steve Williams I only ever used Win98 once, and while I had no problems with it, I was already an NT user and then upgraded to Win2kPro, so it never had a chance...... Win2kPro doesn't needs tons of memory, we have had it running in 32mb, and we once got NT3.51 to run on a 386 processor, but most of our machines are 450mhz 733mhz or 1ghz, nothing faster as we don't need it for anything. Memory is usually 256mb minimum, but we have 3 X 256mb cards on one machine that we use for graphics, and one machine that is purely backup for the others. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 30 12:46:11 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:46:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! Message-ID: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key from the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities these are the things I have tried: (1) Pre-soaked the Gib Key with Kroil Penetrating oil for a week to start with. (2) Tried driving the Gib Key in just a little more to loosen it - it did not move. (3) Tried driving the Flywheel in just a little to break the bond on the gib key - it did not move. (4) Used an original Gib Key Removal tool - succeeded in breaking off the tang on the Gib Key. (5) Welded a bolt onto the Gib Key and used a knocker to loosen it - it just broke the weld on the gib key - done this four times with no success. (6) Welded the knocker bolt onto the Gib Key one more time, heated the flywheel hub a little with a torch, tried knocker again and just broke the weld. (7) Tried welding a Hex Nut on top of the flywheel with one flat of the hex nut facing the flat side of the flywheel, trying to make a new tang on the Gib Key to use the Gib Key Puller with - broke weld. Here are some pictures: The first picture once again just shows the little 1-1/2HP Petter I am working on. The second picture shows the Gib Key status when I first started trying to get it out. Remaining pictures show the current state of the gib key - as you can see the gib key has about a 1/2 to 3/4" now broken off of it now. http://client.webshots.com/photo/309747100/309747100ygAQhr So now here in my dilemma. I have no machining capabilities, the key has some of it broken off now, whatever I try next needs to work as I am running out of gib key. I need someone to tell me what they think would be the method most successful for me to try next. Thanks everyone for the help, this gib key is about to put me in the insane house................I belong there anyway. Paul From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca Wed Mar 30 13:00:10 2005 From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:00:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050330210010.71449.qmail@web51406.mail.yahoo.com> Paul - the only way to get it out is to drill and tap then use the slide hammer as I advised last week. Use a small die grinder to clean up the end of the key so you can center punch the end of the key for drilling. It has to come out because it went in once. Just take your time and make sure you drill exactly in the center and drill parrallel to the shaft so you don't get into the shaft or flywheel. Larry Anger Paul Maples wrote: Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key from the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities these are the things I have tried: (1) Pre-soaked the Gib Key with Kroil Penetrating oil for a week to start with. (2) Tried driving the Gib Key in just a little more to loosen it - it did not move. (3) Tried driving the Flywheel in just a little to break the bond on the gib key - it did not move. (4) Used an original Gib Key Removal tool - succeeded in breaking off the tang on the Gib Key. (5) Welded a bolt onto the Gib Key and used a knocker to loosen it - it just broke the weld on the gib key - done this four times with no success. (6) Welded the knocker bolt onto the Gib Key one more time, heated the flywheel hub a little with a torch, tried knocker again and just broke the weld. (7) Tried welding a Hex Nut on top of the flywheel with one flat of the hex nut facing the flat side of the flywheel, trying to make a new tang on the Gib Key to use the Gib Key Puller with - broke weld. Here are some pictures: The first picture once again just shows the little 1-1/2HP Petter I am working on. The second picture shows the Gib Key status when I first started trying to get it out. Remaining pictures show the current state of the gib key - as you can see the gib key has about a 1/2 to 3/4" now broken off of it now. http://client.webshots.com/photo/309747100/309747100ygAQhr So now here in my dilemma. I have no machining capabilities, the key has some of it broken off now, whatever I try next needs to work as I am running out of gib key. I need someone to tell me what they think would be the method most successful for me to try next. Thanks everyone for the help, this gib key is about to put me in the insane house................I belong there anyway. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 13:28:03 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:28:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! In-Reply-To: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6f602516050330132874eaf9b@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:46:11 -0600, Paul Maples wrote: > Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key from the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities these are the things I have tried: Drill down the length of the key and collapse it into the hole. You'll need to be careful and use a good drill and a steady hand. Start off small and work up to just under the height/width of the key. A small punch can then be used to gently knock the sides into the hole. The key is probably quite hard/tough so don't expect a five-minute job. With care, it can be very successful, but if you rush it you'll damage the crankshaft of the flywheel hub. Almost as bad a fitting worktops against an uneven tiled wall !! :-( Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 30 13:35:02 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:35:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! In-Reply-To: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: Hi Paul, When you first asked this question, Curt Holland gave you the design of a drill fixture that would slip over the shaft and allow you to accurately drill the key to collapse it for easy removal. You chose to ignore that advice and instead tried a whole series of other "solutions", none of which have worked. Lets try again. MAKE CURT'S FIXTURE AND DRILL THE DAMN KEY. If you don't have the capability of making the fixture yourself, ask the list; maybe there is someone who would make it for you. Worst case? Spend a hundred dollars and have your friendly local machine shop make one for you. Otherwise, I can see you coming back to the list once a week asking for help that you'll just ignore until you reduce the engine to a pile of broken scrap. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Paul Maples wrote: > Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key > from the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities > these are the things I have tried: > So now here in my dilemma. I have no machining capabilities, the key > has some of it broken off now, whatever I try next needs to work as I am > running out of gib key. I need someone to tell me what they think would > be the method most successful for me to try next. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 30 13:36:11 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:36:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: I guess I'd drill, tap, screw in a grade 8 bolts and resort back to the slide hammer trick. This is supposed to be fun, Paul :-)) RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 1:46 PM Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key from the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities these are the things I have tried: (1) Pre-soaked the Gib Key with Kroil Penetrating oil for a week to start with. (2) Tried driving the Gib Key in just a little more to loosen it - it did not move. (3) Tried driving the Flywheel in just a little to break the bond on the gib key - it did not move. (4) Used an original Gib Key Removal tool - succeeded in breaking off the tang on the Gib Key. (5) Welded a bolt onto the Gib Key and used a knocker to loosen it - it just broke the weld on the gib key - done this four times with no success. (6) Welded the knocker bolt onto the Gib Key one more time, heated the flywheel hub a little with a torch, tried knocker again and just broke the weld. (7) Tried welding a Hex Nut on top of the flywheel with one flat of the hex nut facing the flat side of the flywheel, trying to make a new tang on the Gib Key to use the Gib Key Puller with - broke weld. Here are some pictures: The first picture once again just shows the little 1-1/2HP Petter I am working on. The second picture shows the Gib Key status when I first started trying to get it out. Remaining pictures show the current state of the gib key - as you can see the gib key has about a 1/2 to 3/4" now broken off of it now. http://client.webshots.com/photo/309747100/309747100ygAQhr So now here in my dilemma. I have no machining capabilities, the key has some of it broken off now, whatever I try next needs to work as I am running out of gib key. I need someone to tell me what they think would be the method most successful for me to try next. Thanks everyone for the help, this gib key is about to put me in the insane house................I belong there anyway. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 30 13:46:40 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:46:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <20050330210010.71449.qmail@web51406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What would you say, Larry...National fine tap? and keep going up in size if it strips out. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Anger" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > Paul - the only way to get it out is to drill and tap then use the slide > hammer as I advised last week. Use a small die grinder to clean up the end > of the key so you can center punch the end of the key for drilling. It has > to come out because it went in once. Just take your time and make sure you > drill exactly in the center and drill parrallel to the shaft so you don't > get into the shaft or flywheel. > > Larry Anger > > Paul Maples wrote: > Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key from > the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities these are > the things I have tried: > > (1) Pre-soaked the Gib Key with Kroil Penetrating oil for a week to start > with. > (2) Tried driving the Gib Key in just a little more to loosen it - it did > not move. > (3) Tried driving the Flywheel in just a little to break the bond on the > gib key - it did not move. > (4) Used an original Gib Key Removal tool - succeeded in breaking off the > tang on the Gib Key. > (5) Welded a bolt onto the Gib Key and used a knocker to loosen it - it > just broke the weld on the gib key - done this four times with no success. > (6) Welded the knocker bolt onto the Gib Key one more time, heated the > flywheel hub a little with a torch, tried knocker again and just broke the > weld. > (7) Tried welding a Hex Nut on top of the flywheel with one flat of the > hex nut facing the flat side of the flywheel, trying to make a new tang on > the Gib Key to use the Gib Key Puller with - broke weld. > > Here are some pictures: > > The first picture once again just shows the little 1-1/2HP Petter I am > working on. > The second picture shows the Gib Key status when I first started trying to > get it out. > Remaining pictures show the current state of the gib key - as you can see > the gib key has about a 1/2 to 3/4" now broken off of it now. > > > http://client.webshots.com/photo/309747100/309747100ygAQhr > > So now here in my dilemma. I have no machining capabilities, the key has > some of it broken off now, whatever I try next needs to work as I am > running out of gib key. I need someone to tell me what they think would be > the method most successful for me to try next. > > Thanks everyone for the help, this gib key is about to put me in the > insane house................I belong there anyway. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mmco at cox-internet.com Wed Mar 30 14:39:54 2005 From: mmco at cox-internet.com (MMCO) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:39:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! In-Reply-To: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <424B2ABA.9040203@cox-internet.com> Hey Paul ole buddy , it looks like your luck goes about the way mine did while trying to shove a limp noodle up a wildcats A-- . Now that is out of the way ,why not get you a GOOD center drill ( 1/8 ) inch and try to figure the center ( up and down) mark it , then using the center drill , drill a 1/8 inch hole , then go up in drill sizes until you get a hole large enough to tapp for a 1/4" fine thread bolt. Once you have that , using a slide hammer attached to the bolt , POP it out . After you have the hole center drilled , you may have to start the drilling at an angle and then as you drill in , start pulling the drill down to cut away the uneven broken piece . Better yet , load that thing up and come for a visit and I bet you a coke , if I can`t get it out , the worst that can happen is , having to sell it for JUNK IRON . P S The Maples forklift sure looks good on my shelf . Bo Hinch Paul Maples wrote: > Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key from the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities these are the things I have tried: From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Mar 30 14:42:45 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:42:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> <6f602516050330132874eaf9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002b01c53579$cc0c99e0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! Almost as bad a fitting worktops against an uneven tiled wall !! :-( Peter Now Peter, You are just a bit biased about that subject this week. 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Mar 30 14:48:38 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:48:38 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <20050330210010.71449.qmail@web51406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01c5357a$a12c6290$04b73dca@ogborneuah38i3> Having done this job a few times........make it your self or get some one to do it for you but use that drill guide that has been described. Drilling freehand is hopeless. If you proceed with the drill guide try and make it with a couple of drill sizes so that your first drill will act as a pilot. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > What would you say, Larry...National fine tap? and keep going up in size > if it strips out. > > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Anger" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:00 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > > >> Paul - the only way to get it out is to drill and tap then use the slide >> hammer as I advised last week. Use a small die grinder to clean up the >> end of the key so you can center punch the end of the key for drilling. >> It has to come out because it went in once. Just take your time and make >> sure you drill exactly in the center and drill parrallel to the shaft so >> you don't get into the shaft or flywheel. >> >> Larry Anger >> >> Paul Maples wrote: >> Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key >> from the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities >> these are the things I have tried: >> >> (1) Pre-soaked the Gib Key with Kroil Penetrating oil for a week to start >> with. >> (2) Tried driving the Gib Key in just a little more to loosen it - it did >> not move. >> (3) Tried driving the Flywheel in just a little to break the bond on the >> gib key - it did not move. >> (4) Used an original Gib Key Removal tool - succeeded in breaking off the >> tang on the Gib Key. >> (5) Welded a bolt onto the Gib Key and used a knocker to loosen it - it >> just broke the weld on the gib key - done this four times with no >> success. >> (6) Welded the knocker bolt onto the Gib Key one more time, heated the >> flywheel hub a little with a torch, tried knocker again and just broke >> the weld. >> (7) Tried welding a Hex Nut on top of the flywheel with one flat of the >> hex nut facing the flat side of the flywheel, trying to make a new tang >> on the Gib Key to use the Gib Key Puller with - broke weld. >> >> Here are some pictures: >> >> The first picture once again just shows the little 1-1/2HP Petter I am >> working on. >> The second picture shows the Gib Key status when I first started trying >> to get it out. >> Remaining pictures show the current state of the gib key - as you can see >> the gib key has about a 1/2 to 3/4" now broken off of it now. >> >> >> http://client.webshots.com/photo/309747100/309747100ygAQhr >> >> So now here in my dilemma. I have no machining capabilities, the key has >> some of it broken off now, whatever I try next needs to work as I am >> running out of gib key. I need someone to tell me what they think would >> be the method most successful for me to try next. >> >> Thanks everyone for the help, this gib key is about to put me in the >> insane house................I belong there anyway. >> >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 30 15:01:31 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:01:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <20050330210010.71449.qmail@web51406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d201c5357c$6c4c1730$230110ac@PAUL> I agree with you Larry, I am just very leery of doing this as I once drilled out a gib key on a IHC pulley and thought I was drilling dead center but the drill had ventured up through the pulley. Also as you can see the end of the key is probably 1/4" to 5/16" square but rapidly tapers down as it enters the flywheel not giving me much room to keep it in the center. I don't know how long the key is as the governor assembly is blocking my view of the back of the flywheel area. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Anger" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > Paul - the only way to get it out is to drill and tap then use the slide > hammer as I advised last week. Use a small die grinder to clean up the end > of the key so you can center punch the end of the key for drilling. It has > to come out because it went in once. Just take your time and make sure you > drill exactly in the center and drill parrallel to the shaft so you don't > get into the shaft or flywheel. > > Larry Anger > > Paul Maples wrote: > Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key from > the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities these are > the things I have tried: > > (1) Pre-soaked the Gib Key with Kroil Penetrating oil for a week to start > with. > (2) Tried driving the Gib Key in just a little more to loosen it - it did > not move. > (3) Tried driving the Flywheel in just a little to break the bond on the > gib key - it did not move. > (4) Used an original Gib Key Removal tool - succeeded in breaking off the > tang on the Gib Key. > ( From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 30 15:02:28 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:02:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> <6f602516050330132874eaf9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00d701c5357c$8dddfe40$230110ac@PAUL> Peter can you fly down and drill this booger out for me?? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:46:11 -0600, Paul Maples > wrote: >> Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key >> from the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities >> these are the things I have tried: > > Drill down the length of the key and collapse it into the hole. You'll > need to be careful and use a good drill and a steady hand. Start off > small and work up to just under the height/width of the key. A small > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 30 15:08:31 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:08:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <00e001c5357d$671942a0$230110ac@PAUL> Now Arnie don't get your blood pressure up as it might clog up your mixer and stop your engine. I did not ignore his advice, at the time I did not have enough keyway to mount a drill fixture in, now that it is broke off this will probably be a good idea. I don't have mills and the like, I do have a drill press and maybe I can make the drill fixture just using the drill press. As far as a couple of hundred dollars, if I had it I would go and get the machine shop to make it for me but being on limited funds I will have to do the best I can with what I have. Thanks for the comeback and advice, it is well taken. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > Hi Paul, > > When you first asked this question, Curt Holland gave you the design of a > drill fixture that would slip over the shaft and allow you to accurately > drill the key to collapse it for easy removal. You chose to ignore that > advice and instead tried a whole series of other "solutions", none of > which have worked. > > Lets try again. MAKE CURT'S FIXTURE AND DRILL THE DAMN KEY. > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 30 16:31:31 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:31:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Message-ID: <02bf01c53588$fe778fc0$230110ac@PAUL> Ok Guys I am going to the Industrial Supply house tomorrow and get a Grade 8 Fine Thread 1/4 bolt, a tap and the proper drill bit for the tap. I am going to get some 3/8 keystock and cut off about 3/4" of it and do my best to center drill the 3/4" piece to make a drill jig. I will place this in the 1/2" exposed keyway that I presently have and clamp it in place. I will then use the drill jig to drill a 1/8 hole in the end of the broken gib key and then use the proper drill size for the tap. I will try and drill in about a 1/2" and then tap it and screw in the 1/4" fine thread grade 8 bolt once I have welded it to the end of the shaft I am going to use for the knocker. I will then try and knock it out. I hope this works as this will be about all I can do with what I have to work with. I will let everyone know if I succeed or fail. I appreciate all of the feedback that each of you have given. Paul From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Mar 30 16:40:21 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:40:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! In-Reply-To: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <424B46F5.9090407@earthlink.net> Paul, Here it is one more time: http://frapa.us/Gib/Gib/Gib.html Requires a drill press, small peice of barstock or something similar, and a little work to make the jig. Use it to drill the keystock with a .125 bit. Clamp it in your keyway and drill the pilot hole. Drill bigger till your done. Hell you don't even need to buy the 8 inch bits like I needed. Ain't rocket science cause I did it first time out, and Gomer ain't too bright. Jeff Paul Maples wrote: >Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key from the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities these are the things I have tried: > >(1) Pre-soaked the Gib Key with Kroil Penetrating oil for a week to start with. >(2) Tried driving the Gib Key in just a little more to loosen it - it did not move. >(3) Tried driving the Flywheel in just a little to break the bond on the gib key - it did not move. >(4) Used an original Gib Key Removal tool - succeeded in breaking off the tang on the Gib Key. >(5) Welded a bolt onto the Gib Key and used a knocker to loosen it - it just broke the weld on the gib key - done this four times with no success. >(6) Welded the knocker bolt onto the Gib Key one more time, heated the flywheel hub a little with a torch, tried knocker again and just broke the weld. >(7) Tried welding a Hex Nut on top of the flywheel with one flat of the hex nut facing the flat side of the flywheel, trying to make a new tang on the Gib Key to use the Gib Key Puller with - broke weld. > >Here are some pictures: > >The first picture once again just shows the little 1-1/2HP Petter I am working on. >The second picture shows the Gib Key status when I first started trying to get it out. >Remaining pictures show the current state of the gib key - as you can see the gib key has about a 1/2 to 3/4" now broken off of it now. > > >http://client.webshots.com/photo/309747100/309747100ygAQhr > >So now here in my dilemma. I have no machining capabilities, the key has some of it broken off now, whatever I try next needs to work as I am running out of gib key. I need someone to tell me what they think would be the method most successful for me to try next. > >Thanks everyone for the help, this gib key is about to put me in the insane house................I belong there anyway. > >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Mar 30 16:44:37 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:44:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <046a01c5358a$d3e9c8c0$0301a8c0@Reg> When you manage to break the bolt off in the hole, you will wonder why you didnt drill it right through!! I suppose you can stuff it completely by breaking off a drill in the hole! Here is something to think on. THE FIRST TOUCH OF THE DRILL DECIDES IF THE JOB GETS TURNED TO SCRAP!!! So, make damn sure you do it ALL properly. There aint any shortcuts. If that drill starts off wrong, nothing you do will stop the drama developing. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > I guess I'd drill, tap, screw in a grade 8 bolts and resort back to the > slide hammer trick. > > This is supposed to be fun, Paul :-)) > > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "Stationary Engine List" > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 1:46 PM > Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > > > Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key from > the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities these are > the things I have tried: > > (1) Pre-soaked the Gib Key with Kroil Penetrating oil for a week to start > with. > (2) Tried driving the Gib Key in just a little more to loosen it - it did > not move. > (3) Tried driving the Flywheel in just a little to break the bond on the gib > key - it did not move. > (4) Used an original Gib Key Removal tool - succeeded in breaking off the > tang on the Gib Key. > (5) Welded a bolt onto the Gib Key and used a knocker to loosen it - it just > broke the weld on the gib key - done this four times with no success. > (6) Welded the knocker bolt onto the Gib Key one more time, heated the > flywheel hub a little with a torch, tried knocker again and just broke the > weld. > (7) Tried welding a Hex Nut on top of the flywheel with one flat of the hex > nut facing the flat side of the flywheel, trying to make a new tang on the > Gib Key to use the Gib Key Puller with - broke weld. > > Here are some pictures: > > The first picture once again just shows the little 1-1/2HP Petter I am > working on. > The second picture shows the Gib Key status when I first started trying to > get it out. > Remaining pictures show the current state of the gib key - as you can see > the gib key has about a 1/2 to 3/4" now broken off of it now. > > > http://client.webshots.com/photo/309747100/309747100ygAQhr > > So now here in my dilemma. I have no machining capabilities, the key has > some of it broken off now, whatever I try next needs to work as I am running > out of gib key. I need someone to tell me what they think would be the > method most successful for me to try next. > > Thanks everyone for the help, this gib key is about to put me in the insane > house................I belong there anyway. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From galoway4 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 30 17:00:32 2005 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:00:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <000a01c5358d$0bafab10$99a39b18@jake> Hello Paul: Arnie is right about what to do. Put ot in your truck and bring it down and I will drill it out for you. About 250 miles from you. Arthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:46 PM Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key from the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities these are the things I have tried: (1) Pre-soaked the Gib Key with Kroil Penetrating oil for a week to start with. (2) Tried driving the Gib Key in just a little more to loosen it - it did not move. (3) Tried driving the Flywheel in just a little to break the bond on the gib key - it did not move. (4) Used an original Gib Key Removal tool - succeeded in breaking off the tang on the Gib Key. (5) Welded a bolt onto the Gib Key and used a knocker to loosen it - it just broke the weld on the gib key - done this four times with no success. (6) Welded the knocker bolt onto the Gib Key one more time, heated the flywheel hub a little with a torch, tried knocker again and just broke the weld. (7) Tried welding a Hex Nut on top of the flywheel with one flat of the hex nut facing the flat side of the flywheel, trying to make a new tang on the Gib Key to use the Gib Key Puller with - broke weld. Here are some pictures: The first picture once again just shows the little 1-1/2HP Petter I am working on. The second picture shows the Gib Key status when I first started trying to get it out. Remaining pictures show the current state of the gib key - as you can see the gib key has about a 1/2 to 3/4" now broken off of it now. http://client.webshots.com/photo/309747100/309747100ygAQhr So now here in my dilemma. I have no machining capabilities, the key has some of it broken off now, whatever I try next needs to work as I am running out of gib key. I need someone to tell me what they think would be the method most successful for me to try next. Thanks everyone for the help, this gib key is about to put me in the insane house................I belong there anyway. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Mar 30 17:16:48 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:16:48 EST Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT Message-ID: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> Here is a question for all you automotive mechanics out there. I own a 1993 Honda Accord we bought new, now has 160,000 miles, been serviced only by the local Honda dealer with approximately 4000 miles between oil changes. So, that is 40 times the oil plug has been screwed in and out. We now use the car as a spare and only drive once in a while. About a year ago, the Honda dealer changed the oil and informed my wife she had to get a new oil pan as the oil plug threaded hole was worn out. They said they once before had to go to an oversize plug as the thread had previously worn and now since it was worn again the only recourse was to put a new oil pan on. They went on to tell my wife this was a common thing to occur and they would not guarantee the bolt to not leak oil without the new oil pan. So a year has gone by and I finally decided to pull the plug myself and see what was what. The first thing I found was the bolt had been cross threaded at some point messing both the bolt and pan threads. It was cross threaded so bad at some time that the pan was not level across the hole, but rather pulled out on one side. To correct the situation, I hammered the pan flat at the bolt hole and filed it a little to smooth it, went to the local Carquest parts house and bought an oversize bolt especially for a Honda and everything is now lovely! In my sixty-one years I have never heard of anyone wearing out an oil pan hole except from over tightening and stretching things or from cross threading. Remember, this bolt has only been removed and reinstalled about 40 times. I believe the Honda dealer screwed up and then wanted us to pay for their mistake. Would anyone know about the wearing of oil plug holes in Honda's? The bolt I took out is approximately 9/16 thread diameter. Would anyone know if this is the original size? We intend to have a frank discussion with the Honda dealer as we have bought a number of cars from them, owning two now, and had a lot of service done there. Thoughts anyone? Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 30 17:31:13 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:31:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> <000a01c5358d$0bafab10$99a39b18@jake> Message-ID: <02f201c53591$55f5a860$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks Arthur for the offer but with gasoline at $2.15 a gallon I am afraid I would go broke before I got there. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Buchanan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > Hello Paul: > Arnie is right about what to do. Put ot in your truck and bring it > down and I will drill it out for you. About 250 miles from you. > > Arthur > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "Stationary Engine List" > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:46 PM > Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > > > Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key from > the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities these are > the things I have tried: > > (1) Pre-soaked the Gib Key with Kroil Penetrating oil for a week to start > with. > (2) Tried driving the Gib Key in just a little more to loosen it - it did > not move. > (3) Tried driving the Flywheel in just a little to break the bond on the > gib key - it did not move. > (4) Used an original Gib Key Removal tool - succeeded in breaking off the > tang on the Gib Key. > (5) Welded a bolt onto the Gib Key and used a knocker to loosen it - it > just broke the weld on the gib key - done this four times with no success. > (6) Welded the knocker bolt onto the Gib Key one more time, heated the > flywheel hub a little with a torch, tried knocker again and just broke the > weld. > (7) Tried welding a Hex Nut on top of the flywheel with one flat of the > hex nut facing the flat side of the flywheel, trying to make a new tang on > the Gib Key to use the Gib Key Puller with - broke weld. > > Here are some pictures: > > The first picture once again just shows the little 1-1/2HP Petter I am > working on. > The second picture shows the Gib Key status when I first started trying to > get it out. > Remaining pictures show the current state of the gib key - as you can see > the gib key has about a 1/2 to 3/4" now broken off of it now. > > > http://client.webshots.com/photo/309747100/309747100ygAQhr > > So now here in my dilemma. I have no machining capabilities, the key has > some of it broken off now, whatever I try next needs to work as I am > running out of gib key. I need someone to tell me what they think would be > the method most successful for me to try next. > > Thanks everyone for the help, this gib key is about to put me in the > insane house................I belong there anyway. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Mar 30 17:36:14 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:36:14 EST Subject: [SEL] Pouring Babbit Inserts. Message-ID: <1a2.3083e19c.2f7cae0e@aol.com> In a message dated 3/30/2005 6:49:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, jg.hammink at quicknet.nl writes: << Got a nice and helpfull article about pouring babbit inserts for IHC M engines on my web page >> John, Thanks for posting the information on babbit pouring. The fellow made a nice write up and used simple jigs anyone could do. Its like to fellow told me one time as I was asking a lot of questions about pouring techniques: "what do you have to loose, if it doesn't work melt it down and try again"! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Mar 30 19:43:10 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:43:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> Message-ID: <200503310343.j2V3hgtt000981@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Have a nice calm matter-of-fact discussion with them just like you did here. Factual, cool, detailed, non-emotional. I've seen and fixed SO many stripped pans! I have no clue how your Honda pan is made, but here's what I've done - and how I add a drain plug to automatic transmissions: You remove all traces of their reinforcement area, clean and flatten it, and braze a nut inside the pan. You then screw in a fine-threaded bolt with a nylon gasket under the head. I add plugs to automatics by drilling a hole, brazing a half-height nut inside over the hole and use a fine-threaded bolt with a gasket. Instant drain for transmission pan. >> In my sixty-one years I have never heard of anyone wearing out an oil pan hole except from over tightening and stretching things or from cross threading. << You are 100% correct. I have no clue how many cars I've "serviced" over the years, hundreds for sure - never stripped an oil plug. I've sure seen my share of abused ones, however. Watch these fast-change places. The boss would have smacked me had I messed up a customer's oil pan - we'd have paid the repairs. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:17 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT Here is a question for all you automotive mechanics out there. I own a 1993 Honda Accord we bought new, now has 160,000 miles, been serviced only by the local Honda dealer with approximately 4000 miles between oil changes. So, that is 40 times the oil plug has been screwed in and out. We now use the car as a spare and only drive once in a while. About a year ago, the Honda dealer changed the oil and informed my wife she had to get a new oil pan as the oil plug threaded hole was worn out. They said they once before had to go to an oversize plug as the thread had previously worn and now since it was worn again the only recourse was to put a new oil pan on. They went on to tell my wife this was a common thing to occur and they would not guarantee the bolt to not leak oil without the new oil pan. So a year has gone by and I finally decided to pull the plug myself and see what was what. The first thing I found was the bolt had been cross threaded at some point messing both the bolt and pan threads. It was cross threaded so bad at some time that the pan was not level across the hole, but rather pulled out on one side. To correct the situation, I hammered the pan flat at the bolt hole and filed it a little to smooth it, went to the local Carquest parts house and bought an oversize bolt especially for a Honda and everything is now lovely! In my sixty-one years I have never heard of anyone wearing out an oil pan hole except from over tightening and stretching things or from cross threading. Remember, this bolt has only been removed and reinstalled about 40 times. I believe the Honda dealer screwed up and then wanted us to pay for their mistake. Would anyone know about the wearing of oil plug holes in Honda's? The bolt I took out is approximately 9/16 thread diameter. Would anyone know if this is the original size? We intend to have a frank discussion with the Honda dealer as we have bought a number of cars from them, owning two now, and had a lot of service done there. Thoughts anyone? Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Mar 30 20:14:46 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Vicki Page) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:14:46 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> Message-ID: <015701c535a8$2c451570$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Tom Never heard of wearing the plug holes in Honda's. We have owned a 1971 Honda Z (TV Window type- about 3 years) a 1974 Civic and had this for some 23/24 years, a 1980 Accord - this for 19 years and our sons' have onwed the same 1983 Prelude for the last nine years. In all that time, with regular services, we never had any trouble with plug holes. I think you are right the service man made a mistake and is hoping you will pick up the tab.. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:16 AM Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT > Here is a question for all you automotive mechanics out there. > > I own a 1993 Honda Accord we bought new, now has 160,000 miles, been serviced > only by the local Honda dealer with approximately 4000 miles between oil > changes. So, that is 40 times the oil plug has been screwed in and out. We now > use the car as a spare and only drive once in a while. > > About a year ago, the Honda dealer changed the oil and informed my wife she > had to get a new oil pan as the oil plug threaded hole was worn out. They said > they once before had to go to an oversize plug as the thread had previously > worn and now since it was worn again the only recourse was to put a new oil pan > on. They went on to tell my wife this was a common thing to occur and they > would not guarantee the bolt to not leak oil without the new oil pan. > > So a year has gone by and I finally decided to pull the plug myself and see > what was what. The first thing I found was the bolt had been cross threaded at > some point messing both the bolt and pan threads. It was cross threaded so > bad at some time that the pan was not level across the hole, but rather pulled > out on one side. To correct the situation, I hammered the pan flat at the > bolt hole and filed it a little to smooth it, went to the local Carquest parts > house and bought an oversize bolt especially for a Honda and everything is now > lovely! > > In my sixty-one years I have never heard of anyone wearing out an oil pan > hole except from over tightening and stretching things or from cross threading. > Remember, this bolt has only been removed and reinstalled about 40 times. I > believe the Honda dealer screwed up and then wanted us to pay for their > mistake. > > Would anyone know about the wearing of oil plug holes in Honda's? The bolt I > took out is approximately 9/16 thread diameter. Would anyone know if this is > the original size? We intend to have a frank discussion with the Honda > dealer as we have bought a number of cars from them, owning two now, and had a lot > of service done there. > > Thoughts anyone? > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 21:57:24 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:57:24 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605033021572ff0f0e9@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:16:48 EST, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Here is a question for all you automotive mechanics out there. > > I own a 1993 Honda Accord we bought new, now has 160,000 miles, been >serviced only by the local Honda dealer with approximately 4000 miles between oil > changes. So, that is 40 times the oil plug has been screwed in and out. We >now use the car as a spare and only drive once in a while. That seems an awfully short period between oil changes, Tom. Our old Isuzu diesel van used to have 4000 mile changes, about once a month, but most other things we have had since are 12,000 miles or 20,000 miles between changes, and they are diesels. If yours is a petrol engine then I would have expected a much longer period than 4000 miles. Is that in the service book? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 22:02:19 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:02:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! In-Reply-To: <02f201c53591$55f5a860$230110ac@PAUL> References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> <000a01c5358d$0bafab10$99a39b18@jake> <02f201c53591$55f5a860$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6f602516050330220277fbd98d@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:31:13 -0600, Paul Maples wrote: > Thanks Arthur for the offer but with gasoline at $2.15 a gallon I am afraid > I would go broke before I got there. > > Paul You should try it at $US 7.00 to the gallon! you guys get gas sooooo cheap over there, you don't know how well off you are! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 22:04:45 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:04:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! In-Reply-To: <046a01c5358a$d3e9c8c0$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> <046a01c5358a$d3e9c8c0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <6f6025160503302204e399784@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:44:37 +1000, Reg Ingold wrote: > When you manage to break the bolt off in the hole, you will wonder why you > didnt drill it right through!! I think the slide hammer option can work, but I'd go for a coarse thread rather than fine, and the largest size I could get into the end of the key. > I suppose you can stuff it completely by breaking off a drill in the hole! Interesting job, getting a Petter M onto a spark eroding machine.... > Here is something to think on. > THE FIRST TOUCH OF THE DRILL DECIDES IF THE JOB GETS TURNED TO SCRAP!!! > So, make damn sure you do it ALL properly. There aint any shortcuts. If that > drill starts off wrong, nothing you do will stop the drama developing. That's right, take as much time and care as needed. > Reg & Marg Ingold. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 22:08:08 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:08:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key In-Reply-To: <02bf01c53588$fe778fc0$230110ac@PAUL> References: <02bf01c53588$fe778fc0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6f6025160503302208491869bd@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:31:31 -0600, Paul Maples wrote: > Ok Guys I am going to the Industrial Supply house tomorrow and get a Grade 8 Fine Thread 1/4 bolt, a tap and the proper drill bit for the tap. I am going to get some 3/8 keystock and cut off about 3/4" of it and do my best to center drill the 3/4" piece to make a drill jig. I will place this in the 1/2" exposed keyway that I presently have and clamp it in place. I will then use the drill jig to drill a 1/8 hole in the end of the broken gib key and then use the proper drill size for the tap. I will try and drill in about a 1/2" and then tap it and screw in the 1/4" fine thread grade 8 bolt once I have welded it to the end of the shaft I am going to use for the knocker. I will then try and knock it out. > > I hope this works as this will be about all I can do with what I have to work with. I will let everyone know if I succeed or fail. > > I appreciate all of the feedback that each of you have given. > > Paul I'd check the thread depth on fine and coarse and choose the deeper of the two threads. less chance of the thread pulling out. You'll need a taper tap to start it off and a No2 tap and finishing tap as well, it's a tough piece of metal in there, you won't be able to get it tapped with a No2 or finishing tap alone. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Mar 31 00:25:03 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:25:03 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL><046a01c5358a$d3e9c8c0$0301a8c0@Reg> <6f6025160503302204e399784@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <030001c535cb$2308ce20$0201010a@Portable> I have a portable spark eroder so if the worst happens I'll come and get it out for the cost of the plane ticket :D Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:44:37 +1000, Reg Ingold > wrote: >> When you manage to break the bolt off in the hole, you will wonder why >> you >> didnt drill it right through!! > > I think the slide hammer option can work, but I'd go for a coarse > thread rather than fine, and the largest size I could get into the end > of the key. > >> I suppose you can stuff it completely by breaking off a drill in the >> hole! > > Interesting job, getting a Petter M onto a spark eroding machine.... > >> Here is something to think on. >> THE FIRST TOUCH OF THE DRILL DECIDES IF THE JOB GETS TURNED TO SCRAP!!! >> So, make damn sure you do it ALL properly. There aint any shortcuts. If >> that >> drill starts off wrong, nothing you do will stop the drama developing. > > That's right, take as much time and care as needed. > >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Mar 31 10:30:58 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:30:58 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050331103058.009c0f28@127.0.0.1> Hi All Justin Ludewig in South Africa has a small McCormick Deering with a Myers pump directly coupled to it. This pump has been modified into a compressor (using an Aspera head). This "compressor" pumps up a modified motor car shock absorber which is mounted inside a Gorilla (steel frame, springs, one of Justin's old dustcoats, polystyrene head with bloodshot eyes behind a Gorilla mask and a few other things). Depending on the pressure build up the Gorilla jumps up and down and shakes it's head about every 30 seconds or so - thereafter it remains motionless until the pressure builds up again. This process is very irregular (due to a problem with the compressor) so it can happen at any time. The kids especially love it and stand for ages talking to the Gorilla. I have many photo's of kids totally enthralled with the contraption. The latest modification to this is the addition of a loudspeaker inside the Gorilla with a remote microphone - now they will really be able to speak to the Gorilla but it has yet to go to a show with this feature. I forsee a scramble for the microphone everytime a good looking "gal" walks past it! See the pic here < http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/gorilla.jpg >. Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 02:09:49 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:09:49 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Lister paint colours overseas In-Reply-To: <6f602516050329041122676b61@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f602516050329041122676b61@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160503310209345dc08@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:11:03 +0100, Listerdiesel wrote: > I receive many requests both from List members and from others about > the correct Lister paint colour. > > The actual reference is: > > BS381C Shade 226 Mid Brunswick Green. I had a word with our local Autopaint International guy this morning, and got him to take the formulation off the computer for me. The information is below if anyone fancies a bash at getting some made: This is for 1 litre (1000 millilitres) Qty Colour Code Description 781.5ml Medium Green 406 Close to RAL7005 in colour 117.2ml Black 409 'Controlled Strength' Black 97.7ml Yellow 431 Close to RAL1003 in colour 39.1ml White 400 That actually makes up just over 1035 millilitres of paint. RAL 7005 is a 'strong' yellow, almost getting on for orange, but a good paint place will have a RAL colour swatch. Because all the mixers have different compilations of paints, there will be differences in the basic make-up of this colour. This compilation is for 2-pack paint. Hope this is of some help. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From oldengines at bigpond.com Thu Mar 31 02:53:36 2005 From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron & Liz Sullivan) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:53:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050329200519.00b21be0@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <003301c535df$e3d91100$31e58690@ronliz1> Hi Russell big response i see It's obvious it was such a great event it was too hot for a camera or the dust was too thick to take good pitures Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "the gourmet chef" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:08 PM Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! > G'day all, just wondering if Curt Holland was the only person at the > national with a camera???? > > Surely there must be a few more pics kicking about that the unlucky ones > could view! > Russell > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Mar 31 03:38:13 2005 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:38:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! In-Reply-To: <003301c535df$e3d91100$31e58690@ronliz1> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050329200519.00b21be0@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050331213746.00b21d40@mail.ncable.com.au> Just goes to show pal, theres now show without punch! Russell At 08:53 PM 31/03/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Russell >big response i see >It's obvious it was such a great event it was too hot for a camera or the >dust was too thick to take good pitures >Ron >----- Original Message ----- >From: "the gourmet chef" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:08 PM >Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! > > > > G'day all, just wondering if Curt Holland was the only person at the > > national with a camera???? > > > > Surely there must be a few more pics kicking about that the unlucky ones > > could view! > > Russell > > > > Russell Gilbert > > Sunny Sunraysia > > russell at ncable.com.au > > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From rustyiron at bigpond.com Thu Mar 31 16:01:06 2005 From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 08:01:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT References: <200503310343.j2V3hgtt000981@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <007701c5364d$fd6d2f20$4e2dfea9@ibmbnh186c> Being a smart ass that I am, I once tried to weld the threaded block where one of the spot welds had brocken off, which was causing an oil leak. You guessed it, one big whooshing sound and a very big oil pan later and an alumimium rocker cover in about five pieces. Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com Thu Mar 31 04:11:33 2005 From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:11:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! Message-ID: Paul, I seem like you have access to a welder, so before starting with the Drilling route why not try one more thing with the welder. I tried the slide hammer on a key and had zero success so I had a big bolt welded to the end of the key, threads pointing out. Then i slipped a piece of pipe over the bolt, added a couple of washers, the nut and with the use of a 1/2 breaker bar i tourqued it out. You can see it on my Webshots site to see what i mean. You can always drill it if this last step fails. http://community.webshots.com/photo/81062075/81062075YhFfyQ Ken ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at mastercam.com. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by McAfee VirusScan for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 31 04:01:38 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:01:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050329200519.00b21be0@mail.ncable.com.au> <5.2.0.9.2.20050331213746.00b21d40@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <009201c535ec$0c02ef00$04ee1fd3@morris> OK leave me alone you lot, I have a lot of pictures to sort but I don't have Dolly to do all the work as another member has 8-)) > Just goes to show pal, theres now show without punch! > > Russell > >>>big response i see >>It's obvious it was such a great event it was too hot for a camera or the >>dust was too thick to take good pitures >>Ron >> >> > G'day all, just wondering if Curt Holland was the only person at the >> > national with a camera???? >> > >> > Surely there must be a few more pics kicking about that the unlucky >> > ones >> > could view! From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 31 04:22:56 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:22:56 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <007701c5364d$fd6d2f20$4e2dfea9@ibmbnh186c> References: <200503310343.j2V3hgtt000981@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <007701c5364d$fd6d2f20$4e2dfea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <424BEBA0.4040100@optusnet.com.au> Andy wrote: >Being a smart ass that I am, I once tried to weld the threaded block where >one of the spot welds had brocken off, which was causing an oil leak. You >guessed it, one big whooshing sound and a very big oil pan later and an >alumimium rocker cover in about five pieces. > >Andy Nicholson >Exmouth W.A. >Oz. >rustyiron at bigpond.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Andy, would that be a case of Internal Combustion? Jack in Oz From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Mar 31 04:29:11 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:29:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <6f60251605033021572ff0f0e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <6f60251605033021572ff0f0e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3322.165.206.180.102.1112272151.squirrel@antique-engines.com> SHORT? I go 1,000 on classic cars, 3,000 miles on new cars, not a spec over. And they last and last and last........... Never wore out a single internal engine part. My Javelin will get an oil change every 1,000 miles, the 95 truck and 03 jeep, every 3,000. After seeing inside engines all these years when people go over that, it's scary. Of course, if you put THAT many miles on it's probably all highway or higher speed longer drives, which helps. Bill > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:16:48 EST, Germoamer at aol.com > wrote: >> Here is a question for all you automotive mechanics out there. >> >> I own a 1993 Honda Accord we bought new, now has 160,000 miles, been >> >serviced only by the local Honda dealer with approximately 4000 miles >> between oil >> changes. So, that is 40 times the oil plug has been screwed in and out. >> We >now use the car as a spare and only drive once in a while. > > That seems an awfully short period between oil changes, Tom. Our old > Isuzu diesel van used to have 4000 mile changes, about once a month, > but most other things we have had since are 12,000 miles or 20,000 > miles between changes, and they are diesels. If yours is a petrol > engine then I would have expected a much longer period than 4000 > miles. Is that in the service book? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Mar 31 04:31:24 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:31:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <007701c5364d$fd6d2f20$4e2dfea9@ibmbnh186c> References: <200503310343.j2V3hgtt000981@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <007701c5364d$fd6d2f20$4e2dfea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <3331.165.206.180.102.1112272284.squirrel@antique-engines.com> So did you excuse yourself to go change pants? Geesh, I bet that was a shocker! Yikes! I pulled them and washed them up good before brazing.......... Bill > Being a smart ass that I am, I once tried to weld the threaded block where > one of the spot welds had brocken off, which was causing an oil leak. You > guessed it, one big whooshing sound and a very big oil pan later and an > alumimium rocker cover in about five pieces. > > Andy Nicholson > Exmouth W.A. > Oz. > rustyiron at bigpond.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 31 04:44:14 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:44:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: Message-ID: <000a01c535ef$587a8ed0$04ee1fd3@morris> G'Day Ken Thanks for the great Pics, never tried quite the same way, but will remember for next time All the best Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz > > I seem like you have access to a welder, so before starting with the > Drilling route why not try one more thing with the welder. I tried the > slide hammer on a key and had zero success so I had a big bolt welded to > the end of the key, threads pointing out. Then i slipped a piece of > pipe over the bolt, added a couple of washers, the nut and with the use > of a 1/2 breaker bar i tourqued it out. You can see it on my Webshots > site to see what i mean. You can always drill it if this last step > fails. http://community.webshots.com/photo/81062075/81062075YhFfyQ > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Mar 31 04:47:18 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:47:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050329200519.00b21be0@mail.ncable.com.au> <003301c535df$e3d91100$31e58690@ronliz1> Message-ID: <012d01c535ef$c68618e0$023354d2@Cam> Hi Ron, I can send a few at a time as I took them in high resolution and they will only block the system. You won't get a better coverage than Curts anyway. Cheers Camshaft ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron & Liz Sullivan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! > Hi Russell > big response i see > It's obvious it was such a great event it was too hot for a camera or the > dust was too thick to take good pitures > Ron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "the gourmet chef" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:08 PM > Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! > > >> G'day all, just wondering if Curt Holland was the only person at the >> national with a camera???? >> >> Surely there must be a few more pics kicking about that the unlucky ones >> could view! >> Russell >> >> Russell Gilbert >> Sunny Sunraysia >> russell at ncable.com.au >> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From galoway4 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 31 04:53:08 2005 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:53:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> <046a01c5358a$d3e9c8c0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <001001c535f0$98681bb0$72ae9b18@jake> You are so right Arthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > When you manage to break the bolt off in the hole, you will wonder why you > didnt drill it right through!! > > I suppose you can stuff it completely by breaking off a drill in the hole! > > Here is something to think on. > THE FIRST TOUCH OF THE DRILL DECIDES IF THE JOB GETS TURNED TO SCRAP!!! > So, make damn sure you do it ALL properly. There aint any shortcuts. If > that > drill starts off wrong, nothing you do will stop the drama developing. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:36 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > > >> I guess I'd drill, tap, screw in a grade 8 bolts and resort back to the >> slide hammer trick. >> >> This is supposed to be fun, Paul :-)) >> >> RickinMt. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Paul Maples" >> To: "Stationary Engine List" >> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 1:46 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! >> >> >> Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key >> from >> the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities these >> are >> the things I have tried: >> >> (1) Pre-soaked the Gib Key with Kroil Penetrating oil for a week to start >> with. >> (2) Tried driving the Gib Key in just a little more to loosen it - it did >> not move. >> (3) Tried driving the Flywheel in just a little to break the bond on the > gib >> key - it did not move. >> (4) Used an original Gib Key Removal tool - succeeded in breaking off the >> tang on the Gib Key. >> (5) Welded a bolt onto the Gib Key and used a knocker to loosen it - it > just >> broke the weld on the gib key - done this four times with no success. >> (6) Welded the knocker bolt onto the Gib Key one more time, heated the >> flywheel hub a little with a torch, tried knocker again and just broke >> the >> weld. >> (7) Tried welding a Hex Nut on top of the flywheel with one flat of the > hex >> nut facing the flat side of the flywheel, trying to make a new tang on >> the >> Gib Key to use the Gib Key Puller with - broke weld. >> >> Here are some pictures: >> >> The first picture once again just shows the little 1-1/2HP Petter I am >> working on. >> The second picture shows the Gib Key status when I first started trying >> to >> get it out. >> Remaining pictures show the current state of the gib key - as you can see >> the gib key has about a 1/2 to 3/4" now broken off of it now. >> >> >> http://client.webshots.com/photo/309747100/309747100ygAQhr >> >> So now here in my dilemma. I have no machining capabilities, the key has >> some of it broken off now, whatever I try next needs to work as I am > running >> out of gib key. I need someone to tell me what they think would be the >> method most successful for me to try next. >> >> Thanks everyone for the help, this gib key is about to put me in the > insane >> house................I belong there anyway. >> >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Mar 31 04:56:35 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:56:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050329200519.00b21be0@mail.ncable.com.au><5.2.0.9.2.20050331213746.00b21d40@mail.ncable.com.au> <009201c535ec$0c02ef00$04ee1fd3@morris> Message-ID: <013801c535f1$12a94200$023354d2@Cam> Hey Kerry every one of those Photo's are worth $100's each for taking them in that heat. Cam PS How ya sleeping ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! > OK leave me alone you lot, I have a lot of pictures to sort but I don't > have Dolly to do all the work as another member has 8-)) > > > >> Just goes to show pal, theres now show without punch! >> >> Russell >> >>>>big response i see >>>It's obvious it was such a great event it was too hot for a camera or the >>>dust was too thick to take good pitures >>>Ron >>> >>> > G'day all, just wondering if Curt Holland was the only person at the >>> > national with a camera???? >>> > >>> > Surely there must be a few more pics kicking about that the unlucky >>> > ones >>> > could view! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From galoway4 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 31 04:57:35 2005 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:57:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL><000a01c5358d$0bafab10$99a39b18@jake> <02f201c53591$55f5a860$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <001d01c535f1$373e56f0$72ae9b18@jake> Cheap ! Cheap! Cheap! compared to a cup of coffee Arthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > Thanks Arthur for the offer but with gasoline at $2.15 a gallon I am > afraid I would go broke before I got there. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Buchanan" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:00 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > > >> Hello Paul: >> Arnie is right about what to do. Put ot in your truck and bring it >> down and I will drill it out for you. About 250 miles from you. >> >> Arthur >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Paul Maples" >> To: "Stationary Engine List" >> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:46 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! >> >> >> Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key >> from the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities >> these are the things I have tried: >> >> (1) Pre-soaked the Gib Key with Kroil Penetrating oil for a week to start >> with. >> (2) Tried driving the Gib Key in just a little more to loosen it - it did >> not move. >> (3) Tried driving the Flywheel in just a little to break the bond on the >> gib key - it did not move. >> (4) Used an original Gib Key Removal tool - succeeded in breaking off the >> tang on the Gib Key. >> (5) Welded a bolt onto the Gib Key and used a knocker to loosen it - it >> just broke the weld on the gib key - done this four times with no >> success. >> (6) Welded the knocker bolt onto the Gib Key one more time, heated the >> flywheel hub a little with a torch, tried knocker again and just broke >> the weld. >> (7) Tried welding a Hex Nut on top of the flywheel with one flat of the >> hex nut facing the flat side of the flywheel, trying to make a new tang >> on the Gib Key to use the Gib Key Puller with - broke weld. >> >> Here are some pictures: >> >> The first picture once again just shows the little 1-1/2HP Petter I am >> working on. >> The second picture shows the Gib Key status when I first started trying >> to get it out. >> Remaining pictures show the current state of the gib key - as you can see >> the gib key has about a 1/2 to 3/4" now broken off of it now. >> >> >> http://client.webshots.com/photo/309747100/309747100ygAQhr >> >> So now here in my dilemma. I have no machining capabilities, the key has >> some of it broken off now, whatever I try next needs to work as I am >> running out of gib key. I need someone to tell me what they think would >> be the method most successful for me to try next. >> >> Thanks everyone for the help, this gib key is about to put me in the >> insane house................I belong there anyway. >> >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 05:34:49 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:34:49 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <3322.165.206.180.102.1112272151.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <6f60251605033021572ff0f0e9@mail.gmail.com> <3322.165.206.180.102.1112272151.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605033105344ec12d32@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:29:11 -0800 (PST), bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > SHORT? I go 1,000 on classic cars, 3,000 miles on new cars, not a spec over. > And they last and last and last........... > Never wore out a single internal engine part. > My Javelin will get an oil change every 1,000 miles, the 95 truck and 03 > jeep, every 3,000. > After seeing inside engines all these years when people go over that, it's > scary. > Of course, if you put THAT many miles on it's probably all highway or > higher speed longer drives, which helps. > > Bill We get 250,000 or so miles before we change the vehicles, the last one (diesel) was exceptionally clean internally before sold it, but that was run on fully synthetic oil from new and oil changes at 12000 miles religiously. The current (diesel) van was new in September 04, we have done nearly 30,000 miles so far with one oil change at 20,000 miles as scheduled. That is currently on semi-synthetic but that's because the dealer didn't do as he was told and fill it with the oil we supplied.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Mar 31 05:57:28 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:57:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT - John Deere wiring diagram needed In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20050331103058.009c0f28@127.0.0.1> References: <3.0.6.32.20050331103058.009c0f28@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <3769.165.206.180.102.1112277448.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Sorry for yet another OT, but I know a lot of garden tractor folks are also engine folks..and visa-versa, whatever. I'm working on a John Deere 318 lawn tractor. The wiring is messed up - or at least seems to be. The oil light stays on, even with the sender DISCONNECTED. It has oil pressure, the sender works, but the light won't go out so there must be a problem in wiring. I pulled it partially apart and see there are two wires at the oil light - yellow and brown. Sitting next to the light socket is a black wire with a spade terminal. Looks like it belongs somewhere, but have no idea where. A wiring diagram would be very helpful, but I don't have any. Can anyone point me to a source, or one online, or have a copy they could email? It's definitely a stationary engine until I get that working again. Thanks, Bill From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Mar 31 06:14:24 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:14:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <6f60251605033105344ec12d32@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <6f60251605033021572ff0f0e9@mail.gmail.com> <3322.165.206.180.102.1112272151.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6f60251605033105344ec12d32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3913.165.206.180.102.1112278464.squirrel@antique-engines.com> So, Peter - do you recommend synthetic? I know some swear by it. I've never even tried it. What about for older engines? (no, not our antiques, our old cars) (rob, I'm still trying to figure out how many drops of oil in a gallon) Bill > > We get 250,000 or so miles before we change the vehicles, the last one > (diesel) was exceptionally clean internally before sold it, but that > was run on fully synthetic oil from new and oil changes at 12000 miles > religiously. > > The current (diesel) van was new in September 04, we have done nearly > 30,000 miles so far with one oil change at 20,000 miles as scheduled. > That is currently on semi-synthetic but that's because the dealer > didn't do as he was told and fill it with the oil we supplied.... > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 31 05:18:59 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:18:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> Message-ID: <005501c535f4$344a3ce0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> In my sixty-one years I have never heard of anyone wearing out an oil pan > hole except from over tightening and stretching things or from cross threading. > Remember, this bolt has only been removed and reinstalled about 40 times. If you installed it 38 of those times that leaves 2 chances for the hamfisted to intervene on your behalf ,I see one at least every other day . Ever seen someone strip out all 20 wheel bolts on the same car ? >I believe the Honda dealer screwed up and then wanted us to pay for their > mistake. Its usually the last to work on that gets the blame , but he is also usually the guy trying to -remove- the seized fastener the other guy "got tight" enough . From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 06:31:07 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:31:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT - John Deere wiring diagram needed In-Reply-To: <3769.165.206.180.102.1112277448.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20050331103058.009c0f28@127.0.0.1> <3769.165.206.180.102.1112277448.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605033106317df65127@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:57:28 -0800 (PST), bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Sorry for yet another OT, but I know a lot of garden tractor folks are > also engine folks..and visa-versa, whatever. > > I'm working on a John Deere 318 lawn tractor. The wiring is messed up - or > at least seems to be. The oil light stays on, even with the sender > DISCONNECTED. > It has oil pressure, the sender works, but the light won't go out so there > must be a problem in wiring. > I pulled it partially apart and see there are two wires at the oil light - > yellow and brown. Sitting next to the light socket is a black wire with a > spade terminal. Looks like it belongs somewhere, but have no idea where. > A wiring diagram would be very helpful, but I don't have any. > Can anyone point me to a source, or one online, or have a copy they could > email? > > It's definitely a stationary engine until I get that working again. > > Thanks, > > Bill FWIW the oil light is usually fed positive 12V and the oil switch grounds it to turn the light on. Could you have a wrong wire on the light? Does that 'spare' lead have anything to do with the oil switch, a quick continuity check would confirm both. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 07:01:20 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:01:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <3913.165.206.180.102.1112278464.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <6f60251605033021572ff0f0e9@mail.gmail.com> <3322.165.206.180.102.1112272151.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6f60251605033105344ec12d32@mail.gmail.com> <3913.165.206.180.102.1112278464.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605033107012cfb7a49@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:14:24 -0800 (PST), bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > So, Peter - do you recommend synthetic? > I know some swear by it. I've never even tried it. > What about for older engines? (no, not our antiques, our old cars) > > (rob, I'm still trying to figure out how many drops of oil in a gallon) > > Bill Haven't used anything else for 10 years or so now, but wouldn't recommend it for the slower/older engines such as we take to rallies or older cars, they need a thicker grade. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 31 07:33:09 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:33:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT - John Deere wiring diagram needed References: <3.0.6.32.20050331103058.009c0f28@127.0.0.1> <3769.165.206.180.102.1112277448.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Bill; Subscribe to the JD list on www.atis.net . They talk about L&G tractors. later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:57 AM Subject: [SEL] OT - John Deere wiring diagram needed > Sorry for yet another OT, but I know a lot of garden tractor folks are > also engine folks..and visa-versa, whatever. > > I'm working on a John Deere 318 lawn tractor. The wiring is messed up - or > at least seems to be. The oil light stays on, even with the sender > DISCONNECTED. > It has oil pressure, the sender works, but the light won't go out so there > must be a problem in wiring. > I pulled it partially apart and see there are two wires at the oil light - > yellow and brown. Sitting next to the light socket is a black wire with a > spade terminal. Looks like it belongs somewhere, but have no idea where. > A wiring diagram would be very helpful, but I don't have any. > Can anyone point me to a source, or one online, or have a copy they could > email? > > It's definitely a stationary engine until I get that working again. > > Thanks, > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 07:43:04 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:43:04 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <005501c535f4$344a3ce0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <005501c535f4$344a3ce0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605033107432181c397@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:18:59 -0600, kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: > In my sixty-one years I have never heard of anyone wearing out an oil pan > > hole except from over tightening and stretching things or from cross > threading. > > Remember, this bolt has only been removed and reinstalled about 40 times. Reminds me of an incident on a truck one night: We had been called out by the Police to attend a truck (Scania LB110) which had broken a hafl-shaft on a hill, carrying an outsized load from Portslade in Sussex up to Manchester. The height of the load meant that it had to go up one of the older parallel roads to the main route out of Brighton, and he had mashed the shaft after a missed downchange. Scania half shafts come in different flavours, the smaller LB80 had a forged flange integral with the shaft, the larger LB110 and LB140's had a floating cap on the outer end, so when it broke, it nearly always went inside the differential, while the LB80's always sheared off at the flange end. This one was a pig to do as it had a diff-lock as standard and the shaft had broken between the two sets of splines, so we had to drop the diff out on the road. I called out our other engineer to give me a hand and bring the diff jack with him, and we got it done without too much hassle. We hung around while the Police escort was recalled, and made sure that he pulled away up the hill without breaking any more shafts, then we went back to bed, it was about 4am. I awoke at 5am with a sudden thought: who had tightened the drain plug and filler plug up?? I couldn't remember if the other guy had done it and I certainly couldn't recall doing it myself. I sweated for a while until I got hold of the Police who checked with the escort. They had pulled up for a break and were able to confirm it was all OK, but I had a couple of hours of very uncormfortable waiting! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Mar 31 07:39:29 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:39:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT Message-ID: <20050331.104136.324.14.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tom, This is just ONE REASON why I WILL NOT have my oil changed ANYWHERE except by MYSELF. Too many horror stories. My truck is 1972 new. - NO ONE has ever changed oil but me. My Merk is 1989 used - ONE TIME - I took it to a Goodyear dealer to get tires and said - "Why not change the oil also." Sure enough - PROBLEMS. As I was driving down the street I saw smoke behind me. I checked the oil and it looked to be about 2 quarts TOO FULL and DIRTY. I took it back and talked to the owner (I know him) and he said HE would change it again. I watched and as soon as he lifted the car and got under, he said "I know what they did". They didn't drain BOTH SIDES of the pan. (My Merk has 2 drain plugs.) They simply drained only one side and refilled with 4? qts of oil. Never again will ANYONE except ME change oil in my vehicles - NOT EVEN my kid, who was a mechanic for a while and "over tightens" everything. He picked up a saying off a mechanic friend of mine that goes like this: "A good cross thread is better than no thread." My insides get all tangled up when I hear that. Thanks for the opportunity, Just my opinion. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Mar 31 07:46:38 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:46:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT - John Deere wiring diagram needed In-Reply-To: <6f60251605033106317df65127@mail.gmail.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20050331103058.009c0f28@127.0.0.1> <3769.165.206.180.102.1112277448.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6f60251605033106317df65127@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4077.165.206.180.102.1112283998.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Hmmm - you are right - I'll check that out tonight. Bill > > FWIW the oil light is usually fed positive 12V and the oil switch > grounds it to turn the light on. Could you have a wrong wire on the > light? Does that 'spare' lead have anything to do with the oil > switch, a quick continuity check would confirm both. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Mar 31 08:17:13 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:17:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT Message-ID: <20050331.112852.1296.40.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tom, This is just ONE REASON why I WILL NOT have my oil changed ANYWHERE except by MYSELF. Too many horror stories. My truck is 1972 new. - NO ONE has ever changed oil but me. My Merk is 1989 used - ONE TIME - I took it to a Goodyear dealer to get tires and said - "Why not change the oil also." Sure enough - PROBLEMS. As I was driving down the street I saw smoke behind me. I checked the oil and it looked to be about 2 quarts TOO FULL and DIRTY. I took it back and talked to the owner (I know him) and he said HE would change it again. I watched and as soon as he lifted the car and got under, he said "I know what they did". They didn't drain BOTH SIDES of the pan. (My Merk has 2 drain plugs.) They simply drained only one side and refilled with 4? qts of oil. Never again will ANYONE except ME change oil in my vehicles - NOT EVEN my kid, who was a mechanic for a while and "over tightens" everything. He picked up a saying off a mechanic friend of mine that goes like this: "A good cross thread is better than no thread." My insides get all tangled up when I hear that. Thanks for the opportunity, Just my opinion. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 08:40:52 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:40:52 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Lister paint colours overseas In-Reply-To: <6f6025160503310209345dc08@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f602516050329041122676b61@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160503310209345dc08@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605033108403a83cba@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:09:49 +0100, Listerdiesel wrote: I emailed Dupont in the US of A regarding the problem of getting the BS range of colours overseas, and received the following email back just now: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thank you for your interest in DuPont paints. Unfortunately the DuPont paint qualities (Imron(r) , Chromasystems(r) , Centari(r) , Nason(r) ) available in the US do not have a match to the British Standard color. The only way for a DuPont distributor in the US to match one of these colors would be for them to have a sample and color match the sample. DuPont Performance Coatings division does have two European brands of paint, Spies Hecker and Standox, which are available in the US through many DuPont distributors. The Spies Hecker and Standox paint brands do have a match to this color. If they can use one of the brands of paint in the US they should be able to get a match through a distributor that carries one of the Spies Hecker or Standox lines of paint. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Thu Mar 31 08:42:40 2005 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:42:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me References: <410-220053330141637309@earthlink.net> <4776.165.206.180.102.1112195079.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <001b01c53550$979e0aa0$501117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <005201c53610$a7c661a0$0e810b43@satx.rr.com> I have had nothing but trouble with ME. Error messages, blue screens...my computer has a dent in it from a really bad ME crash that really pi**ed me off!!!... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me > Some day I may figure out why everyone is so down on ME. I have it on > about 6 machines and have NEVER had a problem with it. No crashes (that > were not MY fault ) no problems with hardware. I know a LOT of people > who have it and love it as well. I am still looking for a retail copy > for another machine I have here (want to put it in the shop as a jukebox > / manual source). > > ME seems to get kicked around a lot BUT if you look at the coding you > find that it is 98SE with about 6 added features. The my pictures > screensaver, thumbnail viewing of files, better driver support, better > USB support, and larger HD support, plus it doesn't need tons of memory > or high speed processors to run. > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:04 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me > > > > I'm shocked - I have yet to see a CD that XP didn't recognize. Cd's > are so > > basic, and there are actually semi-universal drivers that XP uses if > an > > exact model can't be determined. > > This will be interesting! > > > > You want AT LEAST 256K RAM for XP, 512K is better, 1 gig is best. > > > > If you wanna dump XP, you'll probably need to reformat the drive and > start > > over with a clean OS install. > > Windows ME is the worst Windows since Windows 3.0 or Win95. > > It's prone to crashes and flakiness. > > I'd run Win98 before I'd run ME. > > > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Mar 31 08:48:44 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:48:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda Oil Plug Message-ID: <20050331.114927.1004.7.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tom, This is just ONE REASON why I WILL NOT have my oil changed ANYWHERE except by MYSELF. Too many horror stories. My truck is 1972 new. - NO ONE has ever changed oil but me. My Merk is 1989 used - ONE TIME - I took it to a Goodyear dealer to get tires and said - "Why not change the oil also." Sure enough - PROBLEMS. As I was driving down the street I saw smoke behind me. I checked the oil and it looked to be about 2 quarts TOO FULL and DIRTY. I took it back and talked to the owner (I know him) and he said HE would change it again. I watched and as soon as he lifted the car and got under, he said "I know what they did". They didn't drain BOTH SIDES of the pan. (My Merk has 2 drain plugs.) They simply drained only one side and refilled with 4? qts of oil. Never again will ANYONE except ME change oil in my vehicles - NOT EVEN my kid, who was a mechanic for a while and "over tightens" everything. He picked up a saying off a mechanic friend of mine that goes like this: "A good cross thread is better than no thread." My insides get all tangled up when I hear that. Thanks for the opportunity, Just my opinion. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Mar 31 09:37:35 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:37:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <6f60251605033107432181c397@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <005501c535f4$344a3ce0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <6f60251605033107432181c397@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050331123457.01d824f8@mail.alltel.net> > and he had mashed the shaft after a missed downchange. >Peter WOW, I did that once. It makes me cringe just thinking about it. Sure hope that the guy is OK now! Dave From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 10:21:22 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:21:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050331123457.01d824f8@mail.alltel.net> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <005501c535f4$344a3ce0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <6f60251605033107432181c397@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050331123457.01d824f8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160503311021274f1ec2@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:37:35 -0500, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > and he had mashed the shaft after a missed downchange. > >Peter > > WOW, I did that once. It makes me cringe just thinking about it. Sure hope > that the guy is OK now! > Dave Well, Dave, Scanias in those days (1970's) had a splitter gearbox, not just your ordinary 5+1, so imagine what a splitter is gonna do to your shaft....:-)) I thought this was a family list? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 31 11:38:34 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:38:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Split your Shaft (but still OT) In-Reply-To: <6f6025160503311021274f1ec2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <005501c535f4$344a3ce0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <6f60251605033107432181c397@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050331123457.01d824f8@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160503311021274f1ec2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Yes, just imagine... If the possum is any indication, it will enhance your reproductive odds. Yep, truth is stranger than fiction, the possum has a forked penis. http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1279/is_199/ai_105915705 http://www.chaffeezoo.org/animals/marsupialia.htm Since this "characteristic" seems to be a marsupial thing, perhaps our Aussie list members can comment on the extent to which things are split in Oz? BTW, limited research seems to indicate that humans have done some similar experimentation, but appear to have limited the practice to the tongue. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/13/national/main553739.shtml See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > Well, Dave, Scanias in those days (1970's) had a splitter gearbox, not > just your ordinary 5+1, so imagine what a splitter is gonna do to your > shaft....:-)) > > I thought this was a family list? From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Mar 31 12:36:53 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:36:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <6f6025160503311021274f1ec2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <005501c535f4$344a3ce0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <6f60251605033107432181c397@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050331123457.01d824f8@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160503311021274f1ec2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050331153605.01d8c268@mail.alltel.net> >I thought this was a family list? > >Peter Hell Peter, It was YOU who brought the subject up! Dave From paul at semidiesel.com Thu Mar 31 12:45:13 2005 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:45:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Sulzer Blast Injection First Run In-Reply-To: <00d701c5357c$8dddfe40$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: The 1912 Sulzer D series diesel ran for the first time at the museum on Easter Monday. We managed 3 runs during the day with the engine running well but not yet maintaing blast pressure very well. A bit of fettling on the compressor should sort that. This was the first time the engine had run since 1936. Bit of a clip below. http://www.internalfire.com/modules/Andromeda/Multimedia/Video/Museum_Engines/Sulzer-56.wmv Not brilliant quality but you get the idea. Thanks to all those who helped with this project, both practical support and encouragement. Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 30/03/05 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 13:14:12 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:14:12 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050331153605.01d8c268@mail.alltel.net> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <005501c535f4$344a3ce0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <6f60251605033107432181c397@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050331123457.01d824f8@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160503311021274f1ec2@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050331153605.01d8c268@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160503311314b4188@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:36:53 -0500, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > >I thought this was a family list? > > > >Peter > > Hell Peter, It was YOU who brought the subject up! > Dave Ah, but the subtle nuances were added by your good self as only YOU know how! :-)) Have you and Arnie raided the piggy bank yet for the fare to Tulare?? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 13:24:19 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:24:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Splitter Boxes and Range-Changes Message-ID: <6f60251605033113244c3186e7@mail.gmail.com> For those non-truck guys who might be interested, the term splitter box refers to a 5 or 6-speed gearbox with another (epicyclic) gearbox on the back, giving a multiplication up or down of the difference between two consecutive gears in the main gearbox, thus you would start in 1st Low, then split up to 1st high, then 2nd low, 2nd high and so forth. Range-change boxes were a development of the splitter boxes, except that the ratio of the epicyclic unit took the gearing up a whole range of gears higher, and once in the high range you rarely needed to come down again on the move, so the sequence went 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th then back to 1st but you changed the range up so that 1st was now 6th gear and so on. There were all sorts of devices to stop folks dropping back down the range at the wrong time, and when they failed it was a case of a box of cogs all over the road! The Scania box in particular was prone to all sorts of problems with the pneumatics and synchro cones. Fuller made a Range-Change box which also sold well in the UK, but Volvo and Scania made their own units. Having driven both (I hold a full truck licence) I found the splitter box better, but the constant thumbing of the control button on the gear lever didn't suit some guys, and the range-change boxes eventually replaced the splitters completely. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu Mar 31 13:50:43 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:50:43 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Sulzer Blast Injection First Run References: Message-ID: <424C70B3.3A926ABD@insulate.co.uk> Hi Paul Jim's verdict - oooh, bugger!!!! You've done a great job on installing the engine - can't imagine the work that has taken place to make that engine display out of a cattle shed! You've done good. And, by the way, there isn't a diesel pump for you to overhaul. Jim pulled his Ruston HR to pieces yesterday and rebuilt it, messed with the govenors and spill timing, and it finished up running quite happily for an hour or two :-))) Dolly & Jim Paul Evans wrote: > The 1912 Sulzer D series diesel ran for the first time at the museum on Easter Monday. We managed 3 > runs during the day with the engine running well but not yet maintaing blast pressure very well. A > bit of fettling on the compressor should sort that. > > This was the first time the engine had run since 1936. > > Bit of a clip below. > > http://www.internalfire.com/modules/Andromeda/Multimedia/Video/Museum_Engines/Sulzer-56.wmv > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From nancydick at pennswoods.net Thu Mar 31 14:01:34 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:01:34 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <3913.165.206.180.102.1112278464.squirrel@antique-engines.c om> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <6f60251605033021572ff0f0e9@mail.gmail.com> <3322.165.206.180.102.1112272151.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6f60251605033105344ec12d32@mail.gmail.com> <3913.165.206.180.102.1112278464.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050331135957.01abceb0@mail.pennswoods.net> Bill i had a fellow once that told me how many drops in a gallon.[[ALL OF THEM]] R Fink PA >(rob, I'm still trying to figure out how many drops of oil in a gallon) > >Bill From falcon at telenet.net Thu Mar 31 14:56:23 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:56:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Splitter Boxes and Range-Changes References: <6f60251605033113244c3186e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000701c53644$dcfa62c0$911117d1@net.telenet.net> ALL of those are TOYS. Try a Mack twin stick with a two speed rear end when you really want to learn how to shift... That would be a 5 speed main box, 5 speed secondary box and the two speed rear. For a LONG time that was a common setup on construction vehicles so they could match speeds with other equipment. I even know of one real glutton for punishment who has a custom built rig from the mid 70s that has a 5 speed feeding a 9 speed with a 2 speed rear. With the 5X5 you shift 1-5, then you shift the second box into 2 while shifting the main box back to either 2nd or third depending on how it is geared. Then go 1-5 and shift the main box to 1st while shifting the rear box to 4. Now go back through 1-5 again and then shift the rear box to 5 main box to 3rd and splitter to high. Go through 4,5 and your in high gear. Hills can be fun.... Something like 50 forward gear ratios, 10 reverse. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:24 PM Subject: [SEL] OT: Splitter Boxes and Range-Changes > For those non-truck guys who might be interested, the term splitter > box refers to a 5 or 6-speed gearbox with another (epicyclic) gearbox > on the back, giving a multiplication up or down of the difference > between two consecutive gears in the main gearbox, thus you would > start in 1st Low, then split up to 1st high, then 2nd low, 2nd high > and so forth. > > Range-change boxes were a development of the splitter boxes, except > that the ratio of the epicyclic unit took the gearing up a whole range > of gears higher, and once in the high range you rarely needed to come > down again on the move, so the sequence went 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th > then back to 1st but you changed the range up so that 1st was now 6th > gear and so on. > > There were all sorts of devices to stop folks dropping back down the > range at the wrong time, and when they failed it was a case of a box > of cogs all over the road! The Scania box in particular was prone to > all sorts of problems with the pneumatics and synchro cones. > > Fuller made a Range-Change box which also sold well in the UK, but > Volvo and Scania made their own units. > > Having driven both (I hold a full truck licence) I found the splitter > box better, but the constant thumbing of the control button on the > gear lever didn't suit some guys, and the range-change boxes > eventually replaced the splitters completely. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Mar 31 15:03:20 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:03:20 EST Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT Message-ID: <1f6.6b51dfe.2f7ddbb8@aol.com> In a message dated 3/31/2005 11:24:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, jlb94 at juno.com writes: << This is just ONE REASON why I WILL NOT have my oil changed ANYWHERE except by MYSELF. >> Joe, I had gotten away from servicing my vehicles, but will probably go back to it after this incident. This was jut the icing on the cake as I discovered a repair they had made using two small plastic wire tiers and charged $45 labor for the repair. When my wife confronted them about that she was told the tiers were tough! HA! When we go to the dealer and present the findings of the cross threaded plug, I am going to ask them if they are going to replace the pan at their expense. When they give me their "no" answer, that is when we will part ways for future service. Thanks for all the responses. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Mar 31 15:06:38 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:06:38 EST Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT Message-ID: <8b.246cbc90.2f7ddc7e@aol.com> In a message dated 3/31/2005 10:12:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, kerogas at sbcglobal.net writes: << Its usually the last to work on that gets the blame , but he is also usually the guy trying to -remove- the seized fastener the other guy "got tight" enough . >> As I said the car has been serviced ONLY by the dealer from which we purchased it new. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 31 15:29:47 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 09:29:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! In-Reply-To: <012d01c535ef$c68618e0$023354d2@Cam> Message-ID: Hi All, i took 120 odd photo's of the National but still haven't got myself organized to post them yet hopefully this weekend Dave >From: "cam grundy" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! >Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:47:18 +1000 > >Hi Ron, I can send a few at a time as I took them in high resolution and >they will only block the system. You won't get a better coverage than Curts >anyway. Cheers Camshaft >----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron & Liz Sullivan" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:53 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! > > >>Hi Russell >>big response i see >>It's obvious it was such a great event it was too hot for a camera or the >>dust was too thick to take good pitures >>Ron >>----- Original Message ----- From: "the gourmet chef" >> >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:08 PM >>Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! >> >> >>>G'day all, just wondering if Curt Holland was the only person at the >>>national with a camera???? >>> >>>Surely there must be a few more pics kicking about that the unlucky ones >>>could view! >>>Russell >>> >>>Russell Gilbert >>>Sunny Sunraysia >>>russell at ncable.com.au >>>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Only one more day left to find $5000 on eBay: http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/705-10129-5668-323?ID=1 From b.jwalker at shaw.ca Thu Mar 31 15:40:11 2005 From: b.jwalker at shaw.ca (Bob and Joanne) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:40:11 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 31 References: <200503311100.j2VB071Z015196@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <424C8A5B.000001.31959@HPPAV> I also have ME and love it. No problems and works like a dream. From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Mar 31 18:06:19 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:06:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <3331.165.206.180.102.1112272284.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <200503310343.j2V3hgtt000981@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <007701c5364d$fd6d2f20$4e2dfea9@ibmbnh186c> <3331.165.206.180.102.1112272284.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <688c8c4d9bccd83b135f153e876c12a5@chartertn.net> Figured that was the whooshing noise. On Mar 31, 2005, at 7:31 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > So did you excuse yourself to go change pants? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Mar 31 18:09:29 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:09:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <3913.165.206.180.102.1112278464.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <6f60251605033021572ff0f0e9@mail.gmail.com> <3322.165.206.180.102.1112272151.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6f60251605033105344ec12d32@mail.gmail.com> <3913.165.206.180.102.1112278464.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: http://www.hernonmfg.com/usagecharts/freefall.htm On Mar 31, 2005, at 9:14 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > (rob, I'm still trying to figure out how many drops of oil in a gallon) > > Bill John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Mar 31 18:15:50 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:15:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <6f6025160503311021274f1ec2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <005501c535f4$344a3ce0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <6f60251605033107432181c397@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050331123457.01d824f8@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160503311021274f1ec2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d591809cb233dfd98233e0f0923bb35@chartertn.net> http://www.thesneeze.com/mt-archives/000332.php On Mar 31, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > Well, Dave, Scanias in those days (1970's) had a splitter gearbox, not > just your ordinary 5+1, so imagine what a splitter is gonna do to your > shaft....:-)) > > I thought this was a family list? > > Peter John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From gwaugh at wowway.com Thu Mar 31 19:06:40 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:06:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504010306.j3136dP32600@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> So what, Dr. John, is the viscosity, in centipoises, of automotive oil? Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:09 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT http://www.hernonmfg.com/usagecharts/freefall.htm On Mar 31, 2005, at 9:14 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > (rob, I'm still trying to figure out how many drops of oil in a gallon) > > Bill John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Mar 31 19:49:43 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:49:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <200504010306.j3136dP32600@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> References: <200504010306.j3136dP32600@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: A typical 10W-30 runs about 68 cP at 40?C, 10.5cP at 100?C. John On Mar 31, 2005, at 10:06 PM, Gene Waugh wrote: > So what, Dr. John, is the viscosity, in centipoises, of automotive oil? > > Gene Waugh > Elgin, Illinois USA John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Mar 31 18:20:21 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:20:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT Message-ID: <20050331.212724.1308.8.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tom, There were a couple things that turned me against mechanics. I know there are some that really care about the work they do but being that I have the ability to do most of the work myself - I do. People like JB, who instructed me on how to replace a timing gear on an 89 Pontiac via e-mail, are indispensable. But - One was when I got a car State Inspected and came home to find a wobbly left front wheel. They loosened the front spindle ( I guess ) To check the brakes and reinstalled without a cotter pin. Two - Was when I bought my truck NEW. 1st State Inspection was at the dealer. 2 guys were sitting at the front wheel of my truck for the longest time. I was watching them and finally went over and said, "Something wrong?" They said they couldn't get the front hub back together. My question was: "Why did you take it apart?" they said - To get at the brakes. I said "See those 3 large screws on the drum?" Again - "Why did you take it apart?" No answer. Then I instructed them piece by piece on how to assemble a front driving hub. While this was going on I also observed a "mechanic" removing a rear end yoke with a BFH. This is a FORD DEALERSHIP. Where's the pullers ? Thanks for the opportunity, Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Mar 31 18:20:21 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:20:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT Message-ID: <20050331.213555.1036.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tom, There were a couple things that turned me against mechanics. I know there are some that really care about the work they do but being that I have the ability to do most of the work myself - I do. People like JB, who instructed me on how to replace a timing gear on an 89 Pontiac via e-mail, are indispensable. But - One was when I got a car State Inspected and came home to find a wobbly left front wheel. They loosened the front spindle ( I guess ) To check the brakes and reinstalled without a cotter pin. Two - Was when I bought my truck NEW. 1st State Inspection was at the dealer. 2 guys were sitting at the front wheel of my truck for the longest time. I was watching them and finally went over and said, "Something wrong?" They said they couldn't get the front hub back together. My question was: "Why did you take it apart?" they said - To get at the brakes. I said "See those 3 large screws on the drum?" Again - "Why did you take it apart?" No answer. Then I instructed them piece by piece on how to assemble a front driving hub. While this was going on I also observed a "mechanic" removing a rear end yoke with a BFH. This is a FORD DEALERSHIP. Where's the pullers ? Thanks for the opportunity, Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Mar 31 15:11:22 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 07:11:22 +0800 Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050329200519.00b21be0@mail.ncable.com.au> <5.2.0.9.2.20050331213746.00b21d40@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <000201c53689$2102d3a0$9fcc3dca@ogborneuah38i3> I think we will just have wait for TOMM. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! > Just goes to show pal, theres now show without punch! > > Russell > > > At 08:53 PM 31/03/2005 +1000, you wrote: >>Hi Russell >>big response i see >>It's obvious it was such a great event it was too hot for a camera or the >>dust was too thick to take good pitures >>Ron >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "the gourmet chef" >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:08 PM >>Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! >> >> >> > G'day all, just wondering if Curt Holland was the only person at the >> > national with a camera???? >> > >> > Surely there must be a few more pics kicking about that the unlucky >> > ones >> > could view! >> > Russell >> > >> > Russell Gilbert >> > Sunny Sunraysia >> > russell at ncable.com.au >> > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Tue Mar 1 03:46:26 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 05:46:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question In-Reply-To: <421AA6A2.6030209@wightman.ca> References: <4.2.2.20050220173119.00c2da78@mail.earthlink.net> <4.2.2.20050221083129.00c28678@mail.earthlink.net> <421AA6A2.6030209@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <42245612.2080705@wightman.ca> Hi Folks, Thanks again to all who responded to my question regarding the computer timing out. Buried way down in the depths of the Intel proset LAN connection, I found a box checked that said: Low power in standby mode. I unchecked it and everything works like a dream now. Duncan -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Mar 1 03:26:37 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:26:37 +0800 Subject: [SEL] re making work half as easy Message-ID: <001001c51e51$8cbd7d20$89c73dca@ogborneuah38i3> Ray.........that would no doubt be ''Virgin olive oil''. I have discovered that the Sulphur content in cutting oil produces metallic oxides, a metallic film instead of fluid film lubrication. Mineral oils do contain some natural sulphur they have no value in cutting oils.. The two ways of adding sulphur are to ''cook '' it in ,bonded with a fatty oil such as lard or sperm oil. The second is done by adding the sulphur to a mineral oil by the application of heat. All sounds like a lot of work ..............don't know what the recipe for Reflexa is but it smells of Sulphur . Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Mar 1 04:10:52 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:10:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update References: Message-ID: <001901c51e57$b77f79e0$1784dccb@oemcomputer> Hi Francis.Sounds like it's coming along.I had a friend in the US get me one of these little engines as there are very few in Australia.He got it real cheap and it is in good order and goes real nice.It arrived a little over a year ago and I am very pleased with it.I hope yours goes good for you. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 4:00 Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update > > > > Hi List, > For the last two days, I have been doing a "dry run" in reassembling the > Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) as the replacement parts are not > here yet. This reassembling activity has been an eye opener for me. The > repIacement crankshaft gear seems to mesh OK with the camshaft gear. The rod > bearing seems to match with the crankshaft journal. The valve clearances have > been set using shim stock. With the crankshaft, camshaft, connecting rod, and > piston in place, I am able to turn the engine over and nothing is binding. > I even found the timing magneto mark which I couldn't find other day. > The next thing that has to be done is to dynamically check out the magneto > on the bench. > The oil dip stick also has to be replaced as the original one was > deteriorated due to standing water in the crankcase. > Hopefully, I will be ready to install the replacement parts when they > arrive. After governor spring and throttle shaft spring arrive and are installed, > I'll be able to adjust the governor to throttle butterfly linkage. > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Mar 1 04:59:37 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 05:59:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update References: Message-ID: Sounds like ya got a handle on it Francis. Don't quite understand shimming the valves but probably will when I dig into mine. My dipstick doesn't have a stop on it and hopefully you could shed some light on this when yours arrives. Good luck with it! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: FRM8198 at aol.com To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update Hi List, For the last two days, I have been doing a "dry run" in reassembling the Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) as the replacement parts are not here yet. This reassembling activity has been an eye opener for me. The repIacement crankshaft gear seems to mesh OK with the camshaft gear. The rod bearing seems to match with the crankshaft journal. The valve clearances have been set using shim stock. With the crankshaft, camshaft, connecting rod, and piston in place, I am able to turn the engine over and nothing is binding. I even found the timing magneto mark which I couldn't find other day. The next thing that has to be done is to dynamically check out the magneto on the bench. The oil dip stick also has to be replaced as the original one was deteriorated due to standing water in the crankcase. Hopefully, I will be ready to install the replacement parts when they arrive. After governor spring and throttle shaft spring arrive and are installed, I'll be able to adjust the governor to throttle butterfly linkage. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Tue Mar 1 05:48:39 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:48:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 5hp Bulldog Message-ID: <3spcf3$8es7j@mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net> A friend offered me a 5hp Bulldog, he won't be able to work on it due to deteriorating health. This is a local engine, cme out of the Coca Cola bottling plant 10 miles from here. It's missing the piston and rod, it's weathered, but most of the main parts are there. It has the carb and ignitor, rocker's there, the "pull rod" is rusted off. It will be a month before I can get it, I saw it years ago when I first got interested in this hobby, anyone have a picture available? My BYB is out on loan. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Mar 1 07:19:49 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:19:49 EST Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update Message-ID: <1e5.36cb3e69.2f55e215@aol.com> In a message dated 03/01/2005 5:46:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, edsingns at winsoft.net.au writes: Sounds like it's coming along.I had a friend in the US get me one of these little engines as there are very few in Australia.He got it real cheap and it is in good order and goes real nice.It arrived a little over a year ago and I am very pleased with it.I hope yours goes good for you. Thanks Edd. This project has been a good review of how engines were manufactured in the past. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Mar 1 07:40:07 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:40:07 EST Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update Message-ID: In a message dated 03/01/2005 6:24:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: Don't quite understand shimming the valves but probably will when I dig into mine. Rick, Go to this site: _http:_ (http://www.old-engine.com/fmzd.htm) //www.old-engine.com/fmzd.htm 14. Checking and Adjusting Valve Clearance - Remove the crankcase cover (16B) Then measure the valve clearance on low cam. The clearance should be .005" to .007". If necessary to adjust the clearance, remove the camshaft and withdraw the valve tappets (3841). Take out the disc (3844) and the shims (1881A) and (1881B) from the tappet and adjust the shims to give the proper clearance. Shim (1881A) is .031" thick, and shims (1881B) are .003" thick. When replacing the shim and the disc in the tappet be sure to insert the shim first, as the hard steel disc must bear against the end of the valve stem. Check the clearance after the camshaft has been replaced, and be sure that the gears are meshed properly. (See paragraph 12.) My dipstick doesn't have a stop on it and hopefully you could shed some light on this when yours arrives. The oil dipstick is made from a ?" pipe plug. This plug has a ?" dia hole drilled through it. The original looks like it has a large ?" dia cotter pin inserted into the pipe plug. The fix I have in mind is to make an ?" dia eye bolt (without thread), insert into the pipe plug hole, and then braze it to the pipe plug. I intend to file a fill mark on the part that goes into the crankcase. I am going to determine the position of this mark after I put a quart of oil in the crankcase. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Mar 1 08:24:20 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:24:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 5hp Bulldog References: <3spcf3$8es7j@mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <002e01c51e7b$1fe2dfe0$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> JB: Ken's Picture Link has them! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:48 AM Subject: [SEL] 5hp Bulldog > > A friend offered me a 5hp Bulldog, he won't be able to work on it due to deteriorating health. This is a local engine, cme out of the Coca Cola bottling plant 10 miles from here. It's missing the piston and rod, it's weathered, but most of the main parts are there. It has the carb and ignitor, rocker's there, the "pull rod" is rusted off. It will be a month before I can get it, I saw it years ago when I first got interested in this hobby, anyone have a picture available? My BYB is out on loan. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Tue Mar 1 08:21:32 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:21:32 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? Message-ID: In another attempt to get this group back to engines ;-) If everyone would tell the story of their best engine related trip that would keep us busy for a long time. For myself I have a somewhat hard time coming up with a single best engine trip. All of the Hell On Wheels Tours (HOWT) that Harry and I took were very memorable. The basic concept of HOWT is to visit as many engine collections and shows as possible during a 2 week period. We would visit one or more collections each day and usually travel 500 to 700 miles each day (the hell part). Most days start out early, and we hit the road to visit a collection. Most days end late with us searching for a motel room for the night and trying to get a bite of food before getting some sleep before starting the whole process over the next morning. The first HOWT only covered western states, plus 3 shows. The second HOWT included a trip across the U.S. stopping to visits collections all the way to the Portland Indiana show! Plus a return route including more collections and another show. In 2002, we did the European HOWT. This has got to be the single best engine trip I've ever been on!! In about 10 days we went through 8 countries and visited over 20 engine collections, plus attended the HMT show which I consider to be the one of the best shows in the WORLD. Prior to the start of the trip Harry and I had lined up most of the collections we would visit, but we managed to add in a few collections while we were on the road. Since we're both interested in the higher quality engines which we can't afford, we focused on the best collections that we could find rather than going for just quantity. We met some really nice collectors and saw some fantastic collections. Most collectors were glad to start up a few engines for us and we even had a bite to eat or a drink with some of them. As an American engine collector, I was amazed to see some of the collections we visited and to see the quality of the restorations and obvious pride of the collectors in their work. It seemed that we saw more pre 1900 engines on this tour than we did on either of our U.S. HOWT's. While the HOWT's are a lot of fun, they are also physically exhausting. After going from sunrise to sunset every day, you need a couple of weeks to recover after a HOWT! I don't have another HOWT planned at the moment, but would sure like to do another one. Will be hard to beat the EHOWT though. WAIT George From George_Best at adp.com Tue Mar 1 08:27:20 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:27:20 -0800 Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB Message-ID: > available? My BYB is out on loan. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA What???? You onlY have one BYB! ;-) I've got a BYB and a BRB just so I would have one at home and one at work. If I ever see one for a reasonable price I'll buy another one. I'm sure there must be several of us on this list with multiple copies. A few even have the leather bound one, although I doubt the leather bound ones get used much. So else has multiple copies? Who has the most copies? Or all the variations it was printed in? Anyone have an extra to sell to someone without a copy? Anyone not have a copy? From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 1 09:11:03 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:11:03 -0800 Subject: [SEL] 5hp Bulldog In-Reply-To: <3spcf3$8es7j@mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <200503011711.j21HB7gC048521@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > rocker's there, the "pull rod" is rusted off. It will be a > month before I can get it, I saw it years ago when I first > got interested in this hobby, anyone have a picture > available? My BYB is out on loan. http://www.planefacts.co.uk/engines/images/bulldog1_jpg.jpg From BillMil357 at aol.com Tue Mar 1 09:34:01 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:34:01 EST Subject: [SEL] 5hp Bulldog Message-ID: Hi JB, Man I am proud you got the Bull Dog engine, I know you will search and find parts or make them yourself and get it going, and it will help take up a lot of that free time you have, (just kidding). An OLE engine friend, Bill Miller. Memphis, TN. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 1 09:40:13 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:40:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One of each; BRB & BYB. FWIW, there's one BRB and four BYB on eBay now. See ya, Arnie On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, George Best wrote: > I've got a BYB and a BRB just so I would have one at home and one at > work. If I ever see one for a reasonable price I'll buy another one. > > I'm sure there must be several of us on this list with multiple copies. > A few even have the leather bound one, although I doubt the leather > bound ones get used much. > > So else has multiple copies? > > Who has the most copies? Or all the variations it was printed in? > > Anyone have an extra to sell to someone without a copy? > > Anyone not have a copy? From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 1 09:43:21 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:43:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi George, For me that's really easy. The trips to England have been MEMORABLE! http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/yank1.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/yank1.htm See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, George Best wrote: > If everyone would tell the story of their best engine related trip that > would keep us busy for a long time. From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Mar 1 10:07:19 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:07:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050301180719.43943.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> George I have a BRB (purchased new at Barnes & Noble for $38 in 2000) that I use all the time. I have the BYB (purchased last year on ebay for $75) on loan to a friend. My BLB #300 stays in a box...I was able to pick it up at Portland last year for $50. I responded to an ad on Harry's and they responded with a list of other things they had...I didn't try to negotiate on the ohter items I got with the book). I don't have the BPBB. Someone had a BRB on ebay with a Buy it Now for for $35 and my friend bought it on the spot a few months back. I guess they didn't know what they were selling for as it had only been listed for ~1 hour when my friend ended it. No extra copies to sell at this time... Steve --- George Best wrote: What???? You onlY have one BYB! ;-) I've got a BYB and a BRB just so I would have one at home and one at work. If I ever see one for a reasonable price I'll buy another one. I'm sure there must be several of us on this list with multiple copies. A few even have the leather bound one, although I doubt the leather bound ones get used much. So else has multiple copies? Who has the most copies? Or all the variations it was printed in? Anyone have an extra to sell to someone without a copy? Anyone not have a copy? From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Mar 1 10:31:09 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:31:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help with address In-Reply-To: <002e01c51e7b$1fe2dfe0$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: Does anyone have Paul Gray's new e-mail address, the one I have bounced back. Thanks Steve Royster From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue Mar 1 10:51:51 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:51:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7f$0MAXHnLJCFwt5@loud-n-clear.net> In message , George Best writes > >If everyone would tell the story of their best engine related trip that >would keep us busy for a long time. > Well, so far in my hobby career, I have only made three "real" engine-related trips. I count a "real" trip as one that takes me out of the county (about 50 miles on average in the UK) and requires a trailer to bring back the spoils. I had another one that nearly qualified, but no trailer involved. The first real trip was to just north of the Scottish border, to bring back a Lister CS 6/1 purchased on eBay. My son (age 9) and I set out in my wonderful old LHD diesel Renault 21 (2.1 litres normally aspirated and over 200,000 miles) (remember that the UK is RHD) pulling the big Ifor Williams twin-axle 8' x 5' general purpose trailer. This weighs about 1000 lbs empty and the vehicle is only rated for about 2000 lbs towing weight. We didn't manage to break any speed limits, as it is uphill all the way from England to Scotland. The limit for towed combinations not over 7.5 tonnes gross train weight on county roads is 50 mph, and 60 mph on motorways (Interstate Highways) and dual carriageways with central reservation. Most of our northbound journey was carried out on motorways at a speed of about 55 mph. We overnighted in Seahouses, Northumberland, with my cousin Jane and her family. We'd travelled about 240 miles. We were made extremely welcome and I look forward to the day when I can return the favour. The following morning, we continued about 60 miles or so to our eventual destination, not far from Berwick-on-Tweed. There we had the engine loaded for us by the very pleasant and obliging vendor, a Mr Anderson. We didn't stay long, as we had a 300-mile journey to undertake. The journey home was uneventful, despite the extra 750 lbs on board. We managed 60 mph at times (it was downhill, after all). We arrived back in Shropshire and immediately set about lifting the engine off the trailer and getting it into the Shed. (The Shed is always spoken of in reverent tones in the UK. Some lucky chaps may even have two Sheds. I am informed that the renowned Monty Python ensemble once performed a sketch featuring a certain "Two-Sheds Jackson"...) Unfortunately, the engine is still a Shed-case. It had been stored outside with an open exhaust pipe and valve, and had a slight case of the stickies... I think that the only thing that needs attention now is the injection pump. This has been at the bottom of a tin of diesel for two years and may be just about freed off by now. Some pictures later at http://www.petesextension.com/Borders/ In part II, I will bring you the saga of the Start-o-Matic and the CS 12/2 we fetched from north of Aberdeen. For our friends from larger countries, this is the UK equivalent of fetching an engine from Bismarck, ND, to Topeka, KS, or Alice Springs, NT, to Townsville, QL (is that the right abbreviation for Queensland?). It doesn't take quite so long, though, and the roads might be a little better than in Oz... Regards to all Pete -- Peter Scales From MaytagTwin at aol.com Tue Mar 1 10:54:48 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:54:48 EST Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB Message-ID: <1e0.36d62c0f.2f561478@aol.com> Hi George, I keep a BYB near my desk in the house, another in the shop, and, a BRB in my camper. That way, I don't have to go far to look up an engine. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA From jimjirik at earthlink.net Tue Mar 1 12:45:35 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:45:35 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB Message-ID: <17879937.1109709935769.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> What do BYB and BRB stand for? -----Original Message----- From: George Best Sent: Mar 1, 2005 10:27 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB > available? My BYB is out on loan. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA What???? You onlY have one BYB! ;-) I've got a BYB and a BRB just so I would have one at home and one at work. If I ever see one for a reasonable price I'll buy another one. I'm sure there must be several of us on this list with multiple copies. A few even have the leather bound one, although I doubt the leather bound ones get used much. So else has multiple copies? Who has the most copies? Or all the variations it was printed in? Anyone have an extra to sell to someone without a copy? Anyone not have a copy? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 1 12:52:53 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:52:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Help with address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try... Paul + Colleen Gray On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Steve Royster wrote: > Does anyone have Paul Gray's new e-mail address, the one I have bounced > back. Thanks Steve Royster From bboyce at swat.coop Tue Mar 1 13:00:07 2005 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:00:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] spark plug tap drill size Message-ID: <000a01c51ea1$a6e153c0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> hello all,,, can someone give me the tap drill size for an 18mm spark plug tap,,,, i know i wont have a metric drill that large, so what would be closest inch size drill ? thanks in advance,, bill boyce lost prairie,arkansas From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 13:27:10 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:27:10 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f60251605030113275b093d69@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:21:32 -0800, George Best wrote: > In another attempt to get this group back to engines ;-) > > If everyone would tell the story of their best engine related trip that > would keep us busy for a long time. The three trips to Spain probably, both in terms of distances travelled and old iron recovered, although we 'lost' the van engine on the second trip! Trip 1 was with the old van but one, the white minibus and we found the 15hp Diter diesel engine, travelled about 1800 miles altogether, not counting 24-hour ferry trip each way. Trip 2 was with the 'new' van, which was a year old then, but we blew the engine up a few days within warranty on the way back and with 3 engines on the trailer. Mileage was a bit more as we went into Portugal this trip, probably about 2600 miles, but I'd need to check the trip report. Trip 3 was with the same van with a new engine (well, nearly new, it had done over 100,000 miles by this time) and we collected the Bolinder twin cylinder hot bulb marine engine which was given to us by the owner's wife. That involved north eastern Spain down to south eastern coast in one hit, then we stayed for a few days before going due west to Portugal, stayed there a while and then back up north for the ferry and home. We also collected a LOT of ceramic floor tiles which are cheap out there, we bought back home 1/4 ton of them! We'll probably christen the new van with another trip later this year if all goes well. All of these are documented on our web pages. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From George_Best at adp.com Tue Mar 1 13:28:10 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:28:10 -0800 Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB Message-ID: Short answer is: Big Yellow Book and Big Red Book Longer answer is: C.H. Wendel wrote a book which is considered the bible for American engine collectors. This book came out in 1983 is called "American Gasoline Engines Since 1872". It is a rather big book with 584 pages and was a hard back book with a yellow cover. After the BYB (big yellow books) had sold out, there was a reprint of the book which had a red cover rather than the yellow cover. The BRB (big red book) is a little bit lesser in quality as they used photocopies of the pages from the BYB to make the BRB. At an even later date there was another reprinting of the book but this time it was not hard back, and instead was a paperback book. Hence, the BPBB (big paperback book). I'm not sure when or how many limited edition leather bound books were made, but there are BLBB (big leather bound book) out there as well. BYB = big yellow book BRB = big red book BPBB = big paper back book BLBB = big leather bound book Most people have the BYB/BRB and those are the editions most of us have. WAIT George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Jim Jirik > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:46 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB/BRB > > What do BYB and BRB stand for? From George_Best at adp.com Tue Mar 1 13:30:49 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:30:49 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? Message-ID: Arnie, The only problem is that years go by before you get anything posted about your trip! ;-) WAIT George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Arnie Fero > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 9:43 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? > > Hi George, > > For me that's really easy. The trips to England have been MEMORABLE! > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/yank1.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/yank1.htm > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, George Best wrote: > > > If everyone would tell the story of their best engine related trip > > that would keep us busy for a long time. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Mar 1 13:45:03 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:45:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] spark plug tap drill size References: <000a01c51ea1$a6e153c0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <001901c51ea7$ed6702d0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Bill, I think a 39/64" will do the job. John H. in snowy Holland. hello all,,, can someone give me the tap drill size for an 18mm spark plug tap,,,, i know i wont have a metric drill that large, so what would be closest inch size drill ? thanks in advance,, bill boyce lost prairie,arkansas _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Mar 1 13:49:00 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:49:00 +0100 Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB References: <17879937.1109709935769.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002201c51ea8$7a8da790$3e636854@Sixmjohn> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Jirik" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB/BRB > What do BYB and BRB stand for? Big Yellow Bible / Big Red Bible. American Gasoline Engines sinds 1872, by C.H.Wendel. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 1 13:55:31 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:55:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB In-Reply-To: <17879937.1109709935769.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <17879937.1109709935769.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Jim, That would be "American Gasoline Engines Since 1872," by C.H.Wendel. Often referred to as The Bible. It is generally available in four flavors. BYB - Big Yellow Book (the first printing) BRB - Big Red Book (the second printing, some say of lower quality) BPBB - Big Paper Back Book (the third printing) BLBB - Big Leather Bound Book (BYB, numbered & signed copies) Here's a BYB on eBay... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3878417013 Hope that helps. Now, why not tell us a bit about yourself and your interests in the Olde Iron? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Jim Jirik wrote: > What do BYB and BRB stand for? From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 1 14:41:10 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:41:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Dolly, Are you gonna take that abuse lying down? 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - George? Be careful about messing in the affairs of dragons cos you're crunchy and taste good with catsup. 8-)) On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, George Best wrote: > The only problem is that years go by before you get anything posted > about your trip! ;-) > > > -----Original Message----- > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > Arnie Fero > > > > For me that's really easy. The trips to England have been MEMORABLE! > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/yank1.htm > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/yank1.htm From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 15:59:05 2005 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:59:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] spark plug tap drill size In-Reply-To: <000a01c51ea1$a6e153c0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <20050301235905.78083.qmail@web52604.mail.yahoo.com> It's 16.8mm tap drill for 18mm sparkplug thread. Decimal is .6614. 21/32 is .005 undersize but will work fine. Bill Boyce wrote: hello all,,, can someone give me the tap drill size for an 18mm spark plug tap,,,, i know i wont have a metric drill that large, so what would be closest inch size drill ? thanks in advance,, bill boyce lost prairie,arkansas _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Cheers! NICK Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich Hartmann "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From George_Best at adp.com Tue Mar 1 16:11:30 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:11:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? Message-ID: Arnie, >From what we were hearing these past years was that it was you that were the slow one in getting your trip report written! > Hey Dolly, > > Are you gonna take that abuse lying down? 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - George? Be careful about messing in the affairs of > dragons cos you're crunchy and taste good with catsup. 8-)) > > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, George Best wrote: > > > The only problem is that years go by before you get anything posted > > about your trip! ;-) From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 1 16:26:00 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:26:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503020026.j220Q2MM086748@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Short answer is: > Big Yellow Book and Big Red Book And to confuse things even more, there's the BIG GREEN BOOK A-Z of British Stationary Engines by Patrick Knight. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 1 16:27:11 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:27:11 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Help with address In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503020027.j220RETM086984@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Royster [mailto:steve_royster at hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 10:31 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Help with address > > > Does anyone have Paul Gray's new e-mail address, the one I > have bounced > back. Thanks Steve Royster Paul + Colleen Gray From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Mar 1 17:34:47 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 20:34:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42251837.2090406@scrtc.com> George, I've heard the story several times, as I'm sure you have, that the printer had to copy pages from BRB to make the BYB as the original negatives were destroyed. I inquired about this a few years ago when at one of the major car swap meets and there was a publishing company there (I think titled International Motorbooks or Motor Books International or something very similar) selling books dealing with old cars and they had the BRB on display selling it as well. I told them the story that I heard about the BRB utilizing copies of the BYB in order to print it. The guy said "you're probably the third or fourth person that's told me that story and I checked our printers after I first heard it and they said there's nothing to it". I don't know if he was up front or didn't want to admit if there was a problem on the reprint. I have a BYB here at home and a BRB at my office. I've compared them before page by page but couldn't tell any difference in the quality of the printing. Maybe someone has definitive evidence as to the real story. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY George Best wrote: > The BRB (big red book) is a little >bit lesser in quality as they used photocopies of the pages from the BYB >to make the BRB. > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Mar 1 17:55:26 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:55:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42251D0E.90405@earthlink.net> I only have one copy. They are kinda spendy these days unless you get a deal. Mine was $160 on e-bay, and that seems to be about the going rate. For those of you looking for your first one check e-bay daily using keyword Wendel. That give the best results and sometimes you will find one in the wrong category. That can spell bargain. This is a must have book if you play with old engines. Jeff Allen PS. There are two on e-bay today. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3878417013&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3878549753&rd=1 George Best wrote: >>available? My BYB is out on loan. >>J.B. Castagnos >>Belle Rose, LA >> >> > >What???? You onlY have one BYB! ;-) > >I've got a BYB and a BRB just so I would have one at home and one at >work. If I ever see one for a reasonable price I'll buy another one. > >I'm sure there must be several of us on this list with multiple copies. >A few even have the leather bound one, although I doubt the leather >bound ones get used much. > >So else has multiple copies? > >Who has the most copies? Or all the variations it was printed in? > >Anyone have an extra to sell to someone without a copy? > >Anyone not have a copy? > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From plb at iinet.net.au Tue Mar 1 17:56:17 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:56:17 +0800 Subject: [SEL] spark plug tap drill size References: 155659668 Message-ID: <01f301c51ecb$05af5c20$0201010a@Portable> Sounds like its a 1.2 or 1.25 pitch thread. A general rule of thump for metric threads is to deduct the thread pitch off the diameter and that gives you the drilling size Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fuller & Johnson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] spark plug tap drill size > It's 16.8mm tap drill for 18mm sparkplug thread. Decimal is .6614. 21/32 > is .005 undersize but will work fine. > > > Bill Boyce wrote: > hello all,,, > can someone give me the tap drill size for an 18mm spark plug tap,,,, i > know i wont have a metric drill that large, so what would be closest inch > size drill ? > thanks in advance,, > bill boyce > lost prairie,arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Cheers! NICK > > > Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! > > "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich > Hartmann > > "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Mar 2 00:59:28 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:59:28 -0000 Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB References: <42251D0E.90405@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001601c51f06$259abd50$8c9f0952@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB/BRB > I only have one copy. They are kinda spendy these days unless you get a > deal. Mine was $160 on e-bay, and that seems to be about the going rate. > For those of you looking for your first one check e-bay daily using > keyword Wendel. That give the best results and sometimes you will find > one in the wrong category. That can spell bargain. This is a must have > book if you play with old engines. > Jeff Allen I wish you guys wouldn't remind me of my past mistakes. About 20 years ago I met an old man living in a dilapidated (But Expensive) country house. The only room in the house that was spotless was his workshop. I kept in touch by telephone & after about 5 years he didn't reply to the phone. I wrote to him & a relative said that he had died. He had sold all the machine tools but said that I could buy the contents of the derilict wooden garage. I spent the entire summer at Engine shows selling the gear to recover my money. The stuff left which cost me nothing was An open frame Royce Dynamo and brass ammeter marked with the origional Royce works. (Pre Rolls Royce.about 1890} American Gasoline Engines since 1872 (BYB) Encyclopedia of American Farm Tractors 150 Years of International Harvester Encyclopedia of American Steam Traction Engines My regrets are I sold the Traction Engine book for a good price (At the time,cheap now) & a Dutchman offered me so much for the Dynamo that I sold it in a moment of need. Are my remaining Wendel books worth much nowadays? Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Mar 2 05:58:57 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:58:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT partly - re-chroming parts and valve and swap date questions In-Reply-To: <200503020026.j220Q2MM086748@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200503020026.j220Q2MM086748@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <22549.165.206.180.118.1109771937.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Anyone know of a place where one can get parts done with a "satin chrome" finish? I've got some pieces that were chrome - but they were originally satin chrome finish, not the mirror finish like car bumpers. They are rusty now, of course..... Can cast iron be chrome plated? And to help keep this on topic at least a little - Anyone know Le Suer swap dates? Is it always last weekend in April? And finally - when I eventually get the VERY stuck exhaust valve out of the big Chapman, it will be worthless - can anyone make valves with VERY long stems? This baby has a valve stem that must be nearly a foot long. (thus, it's impossible to get out in one piece - that's over 6" of rusted valve in guide) No way to buy one that will be even close like we can the other engines. Bill From b2 at chooka.net Wed Mar 2 06:28:54 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:28:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT partly - re-chroming parts and valve and swap datequestions References: <200503020026.j220Q2MM086748@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <22549.165.206.180.118.1109771937.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <001701c51f34$29e26330$660a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> LeSueur April 22-24, ATIS gathering and picture at noon, Miller Tire Truck. http://www.pioneerpowershow.com/ B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:58 AM Subject: [SEL] OT partly - re-chroming parts and valve and swap datequestions > Anyone know of a place where one can get parts done with a "satin chrome" > finish? I've got some pieces that were chrome - but they were originally > satin chrome finish, not the mirror finish like car bumpers. > They are rusty now, of course..... > > Can cast iron be chrome plated? > > And to help keep this on topic at least a little - > Anyone know Le Suer swap dates? Is it always last weekend in April? > > And finally - when I eventually get the VERY stuck exhaust valve out of > the big Chapman, it will be worthless - can anyone make valves with VERY > long stems? This baby has a valve stem that must be nearly a foot long. > (thus, it's impossible to get out in one piece - that's over 6" of rusted > valve in guide) > No way to buy one that will be even close like we can the other engines. > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From b2 at chooka.net Wed Mar 2 06:29:40 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:29:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT partly - re-chroming parts and valve and swap datequestions References: <200503020026.j220Q2MM086748@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <22549.165.206.180.118.1109771937.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <002601c51f34$44be74a0$660a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> duh, that's noon on Saturday. B? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:58 AM Subject: [SEL] OT partly - re-chroming parts and valve and swap datequestions > Anyone know of a place where one can get parts done with a "satin chrome" > finish? I've got some pieces that were chrome - but they were originally > satin chrome finish, not the mirror finish like car bumpers. > They are rusty now, of course..... > > Can cast iron be chrome plated? > > And to help keep this on topic at least a little - > Anyone know Le Suer swap dates? Is it always last weekend in April? > > And finally - when I eventually get the VERY stuck exhaust valve out of > the big Chapman, it will be worthless - can anyone make valves with VERY > long stems? This baby has a valve stem that must be nearly a foot long. > (thus, it's impossible to get out in one piece - that's over 6" of rusted > valve in guide) > No way to buy one that will be even close like we can the other engines. > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jimjirik at earthlink.net Wed Mar 2 06:40:45 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:40:45 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB- New Guy Message-ID: <17921281.1109774445023.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Arnie, My interest in Old Iron was instilled in me by Dad. As a kid he took me to Thressing Bees, and we would look at each engine and tractor. Together we recently purchased a FM ZC118, the price was right (cheap). It has little compression and I haven't started to tear into yet but, we hope to get to it this spring. I found this message board and thought it might be a good source of information. There is an auction next weekend in Butler, MO and we hope to pick up another project there. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Arnie Fero Sent: Mar 1, 2005 3:55 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB/BRB Jim, That would be "American Gasoline Engines Since 1872," by C.H.Wendel. Often referred to as The Bible. It is generally available in four flavors. BYB - Big Yellow Book (the first printing) BRB - Big Red Book (the second printing, some say of lower quality) BPBB - Big Paper Back Book (the third printing) BLBB - Big Leather Bound Book (BYB, numbered & signed copies) Here's a BYB on eBay... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3878417013 Hope that helps. Now, why not tell us a bit about yourself and your interests in the Olde Iron? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Jim Jirik wrote: > What do BYB and BRB stand for? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 2 07:01:46 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:01:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update References: Message-ID: 'preciate ya taking the time Francis. Never heard of such a thing so it will be an education when I dig into mine. RickinMt. Don't quite understand shimming the valves but probably will when I dig into mine. Rick, Go to this site: _http:_ (http://www.old-engine.com/fmzd.htm) //www.old-engine.com/fmzd.htm 14. Checking and Adjusting Valve Clearance - Remove the crankcase cover (16B) Then measure the valve clearance on low cam. The clearance should be .005" to .007". If necessary to adjust the clearance, remove the camshaft and withdraw the valve tappets (3841). Take out the disc (3844) and the shims (1881A) and (1881B) from the tappet and adjust the shims to give the proper clearance. Shim (1881A) is .031" thick, and shims (1881B) are .003" thick. When replacing the shim and the disc in the tappet be sure to insert the shim first, as the hard steel disc must bear against the end of the valve stem. Check the clearance after the camshaft has been replaced, and be sure that the gears are meshed properly. (See paragraph 12.) My dipstick doesn't have a stop on it and hopefully you could shed some light on this when yours arrives. The oil dipstick is made from a ?" pipe plug. This plug has a ?" dia hole drilled through it. The original looks like it has a large ?" dia cotter pin inserted into the pipe plug. The fix I have in mind is to make an ?" dia eye bolt (without thread), insert into the pipe plug hole, and then braze it to the pipe plug. I intend to file a fill mark on the part that goes into the crankcase. I am going to determine the position of this mark after I put a quart of oil in the crankcase. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Wed Mar 2 07:23:53 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 07:23:53 -0800 Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB Message-ID: > The guy said "you're probably the third or fourth person > that's told me that story and I checked our printers after I > first heard it and they said there's nothing to it". I don't > know if he was up front or didn't want to admit if there was > a problem on the reprint. I have a BYB here at home and a > BRB at my office. I've compared them before page by page but > couldn't tell any difference in the quality of the printing. > Maybe someone has definitive evidence as to the real story. > > Tommy Turner Tommy, I'm like you, I've got both versions. BYB at home and BRB at the office. I too have looked and didn't notice any difference. The photocopy story is one I've heard for years and was just passing on. Would be nice to have a definite answer on that. I'd think Wendel could set the record straight. If the BRB truly is a copy it would be nice if someone could point out a couple pages in each book which show a difference in quality. WAIT George From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Wed Mar 2 07:31:33 2005 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 07:31:33 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The engine has mechanical lifters, so to get the right tappet clearance, you need to use the shims (under the lifters). The cam contacts the lifter, which contacts the valves - no pushrods are used. It will make sense once you tear into it... Have fun, -- Kelley Garcia La Habra, Ka. USA On 3/2/05 7:01 AM, "Richard Strobel" wrote: > 'preciate ya taking the time Francis. Never heard of such a thing so it will > be an education when I dig into mine. > > RickinMt. > > Don't quite understand shimming the valves but probably will when I dig > into > mine. > Rick, > Go to this site: _http:_ > (http://www.old-engine.com/fmzd.htm) > //www.old-engine.com/fmzd.htm > > 14. Checking and Adjusting Valve Clearance - Remove the crankcase cover > (16B) Then measure the valve clearance on low cam. The clearance should be > .005" > to .007". If necessary to adjust the clearance, remove the camshaft and > withdraw the valve tappets (3841). Take out the disc (3844) and the shims > (1881A) > and (1881B) from the tappet and adjust the shims to give the proper > clearance. Shim (1881A) is .031" thick, and shims (1881B) are .003" thick. > When > replacing the shim and the disc in the tappet be sure to insert the shim > first, as > the hard steel disc must bear against the end of the valve stem. Check the > clearance after the camshaft has been replaced, and be sure that the gears > are > meshed properly. (See paragraph 12.) > > > My dipstick doesn't have a stop on it and hopefully you could shed some > light on this when yours arrives. > The oil dipstick is made from a ?" pipe plug. This plug has a ?" dia hole > drilled through it. The original looks like it has a large ?" dia cotter > pin > inserted into the pipe plug. The fix I have in mind is to make an ?" dia > eye > bolt (without thread), insert into the pipe plug hole, and then braze it to > the pipe plug. I intend to file a fill mark on the part that goes into the > crankcase. I am going to determine the position of this mark after I put a > quart of oil in the crankcase. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 07:36:09 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:36:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT partly - re-chroming parts and valve and swap date questions In-Reply-To: <22549.165.206.180.118.1109771937.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <200503020026.j220Q2MM086748@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <22549.165.206.180.118.1109771937.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605030207365433a510@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:58:57 -0800 (PST), bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Anyone know of a place where one can get parts done with a "satin chrome" > finish? I've got some pieces that were chrome - but they were originally > satin chrome finish, not the mirror finish like car bumpers. > They are rusty now, of course..... Satin Chrome is normally unpolished chrome over a shot-blasted or shot-peened finsh, depending on the material. XLR plugs and sockets are satin chrome or black nickel for example. > Can cast iron be chrome plated? Yes, but the granularity of the surface makes it a bit "pot-holed" for want of a better expression. > And to help keep this on topic at least a little - > Anyone know Le Suer swap dates? Is it always last weekend in April? We'll be over in California during April for Tulare, but other than that we have no info on the US shows. > And finally - when I eventually get the VERY stuck exhaust valve out of > the big Chapman, it will be worthless - can anyone make valves with VERY > long stems? This baby has a valve stem that must be nearly a foot long. > (thus, it's impossible to get out in one piece - that's over 6" of rusted > valve in guide) Cut the old stem off. Drill the head and tap it, make a new stem out of ground silver steel rod and when you have threaded it into the head of the old valve, weld over the protruding piece or turn it flush and peen over. Silver steel comes in increments of 5 > No way to buy one that will be even close like we can the other engines. > > Bill Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 2 08:10:33 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:10:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB- New Guy In-Reply-To: <17921281.1109774445023.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <17921281.1109774445023.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Jim, WELCOME to the list!! One piece of advice... Be aware that these damn things multiply. Today you have one, next year you'll have a dozen of the damn things!! 8-))) See ya, Arnie PS - OTOH, if you didn't spend the money on Olde Iron, you'd probably blow it on booze & wild women. 8-)) Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, Jim Jirik wrote: > My interest in Old Iron was instilled in me by Dad. As a kid he took me to Thressing Bees, > and we would look at each engine and tractor. Together we recently purchased a FM ZC118, > the price was right (cheap). It has little compression and I haven't started to tear into yet but, > we hope to get to it this spring. I found this message board and thought it might be a good source > of information. There is an auction next weekend in Butler, MO and we hope to pick up another > project there. From jimjirik at earthlink.net Wed Mar 2 08:09:35 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:09:35 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB Message-ID: <10024590.1109779775657.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Thanks to all of you leading me to the search, I just bought a BRB online for $26.95!!! I used my credit card so that if it is a hoax I can challenge the charge. I decided to opt for the $6.95 3-5 day shipping option so I'll let you all know if I get the real thing! Jim Jirik -----Original Message----- From: Dave Croft Sent: Mar 2, 2005 2:59 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB/BRB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB/BRB > I only have one copy. They are kinda spendy these days unless you get a > deal. Mine was $160 on e-bay, and that seems to be about the going rate. > For those of you looking for your first one check e-bay daily using > keyword Wendel. That give the best results and sometimes you will find > one in the wrong category. That can spell bargain. This is a must have > book if you play with old engines. > Jeff Allen I wish you guys wouldn't remind me of my past mistakes. About 20 years ago I met an old man living in a dilapidated (But Expensive) country house. The only room in the house that was spotless was his workshop. I kept in touch by telephone & after about 5 years he didn't reply to the phone. I wrote to him & a relative said that he had died. He had sold all the machine tools but said that I could buy the contents of the derilict wooden garage. I spent the entire summer at Engine shows selling the gear to recover my money. The stuff left which cost me nothing was An open frame Royce Dynamo and brass ammeter marked with the origional Royce works. (Pre Rolls Royce.about 1890} American Gasoline Engines since 1872 (BYB) Encyclopedia of American Farm Tractors 150 Years of International Harvester Encyclopedia of American Steam Traction Engines My regrets are I sold the Traction Engine book for a good price (At the time,cheap now) & a Dutchman offered me so much for the Dynamo that I sold it in a moment of need. Are my remaining Wendel books worth much nowadays? Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From EnginePaul at aol.com Wed Mar 2 09:13:03 2005 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:13:03 EST Subject: [SEL] OT partly - re-chroming parts and valve and swap date questions Message-ID: <12f.580680c2.2f574e1f@aol.com> >Anyone know of a place where one can get parts done with a "satin chrome" >finish? I've got some pieces that were chrome - but they were originally >satin chrome finish, not the mirror finish like car bumpers. Nickel is like a "satin chrome" but not as durable. Cheaper and nice looking for may things, I used to use it on printing press parts. EPA makes it tough to find a place, the ones I used to use closed down. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Mar 2 09:26:59 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:26:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB- New Guy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503021727.j22HR2Jl052695@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > WELCOME to the list!! One piece of advice... Be aware that > these damn > things multiply. Today you have one, next year you'll have a > dozen of the > damn things!! 8-))) > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - OTOH, if you didn't spend the money on Olde Iron, you'd > probably blow it on booze & wild women. 8-)) You are SO right, Arnie! I've spent most of my money on engines, beer and women. The rest I just wasted. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Wed Mar 2 10:58:57 2005 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:58:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB- New Guy Message-ID: <000601c51f59$e6bb1d60$cb680b42@computer> And everything else you spend money on will be a waste Geo -----Original Message----- From: Arnie Fero To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB/BRB- New Guy >Hi Jim, > >WELCOME to the list!! One piece of advice... Be aware that these damn >things multiply. Today you have one, next year you'll have a dozen of the >damn things!! 8-))) > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - OTOH, if you didn't spend the money on Olde Iron, you'd probably blow >it on booze & wild women. 8-)) > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, Jim Jirik wrote: > >> My interest in Old Iron was instilled in me by Dad. As a kid he took me to Thressing Bees, >> and we would look at each engine and tractor. Together we recently purchased a FM ZC118, >> the price was right (cheap). It has little compression and I haven't started to tear into yet but, >> we hope to get to it this spring. I found this message board and thought it might be a good source >> of information. There is an auction next weekend in Butler, MO and we hope to pick up another >> project there. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 2 12:44:55 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:44:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] sulfur and sulfurized lubricants for cutting metal Message-ID: <20050302204455.67827.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> The way sulfur works as a metal cutting lubricant is that it melts at a fairly low temperature to make a thick oily liquid that is very slippery. Sulfur is peculiar because it melts twice. Just above the boiling point of water at about 106? C (223? F) it melts, but when the temperature is raised slightly it freezes again, then at about 115?C (239? F) it melts again. Either molten phase works well as a cutting lubricant, but because most machining operations create cutter point-of-contact temperatures above the second melting point, it is in that form when working. The reason why sulfur is mixed with oil, grease, and lard is for several reasons. At room temperature, sulfur is a solid a lot like hard rosin (which is also a very good cutting lubricant but expensive), so it has to be powdered and mixed with a liquid other than water to get it into the cut. Sulfur by itself catches on fire at the temperatures generated during cutting, so mixing it with oils and greases prevents this. Sulfur is also very active chemically and it reacts directly with the copper and zinc of brass, and when wet it rapidly attacks iron. When heated in contact with air it forms sulfuric acid. All this is very bad for the parts being made and the cutting machinery, so the oils and greases are used to neutralize sulfur?s bad properties. Because sulfur is very reactive chemically it forms several different kinds of compounds with the oil and grease molecules, and those in turn are also extremely good cutting lubricants. What actually goes on at the point of contact is not fully understood, but apparently the sulfur-oil compound molecules break apart at higher temperatures and release the sulfur as minute or colloidal particles, which help push the metal out of contact with the cutting tool. The 250-year old unbeatable standard cutting lubricant for drilling and lathe work, as well as taps and dies, is sulfurized lard. I don?t know how it is made, but because it was around 250 years ago it can?t be too difficult. I have always used plain de-salted bacon fat or lard for cutting steel because I can?t tell the difference between it and sulfurized lard when using a torque wrench to determine how much force is needed to turn a tap. Mice and rats eat lard but usually won?t touch sulfurized lard, though, and more than a few times my dog got the can of bacon fat off the lathe and ate it along with all the metal chips in it, and the brush, too. Like I say, work and play safely, and that includes your pets. Free machining stainless steels and steels have sulfur, selenium, or lead introduced into the metal when being alloyed. When these alloys are cut, the free sulfur, selenium (selenium is very much like sulfur but EXTREMELY poisonous), or lead act as cutter lubricants, but the down side is that free machining alloys are rather weak and have limited usefulness, plus they don?t weld very well. Lead is also used in some armor piercing bullets as a lubricant, and does an excellent job judging from the holes I have seen all the way through 6-inches of hot-rolled mild steel that were made using an ordinary hunting rifle. Work and play safely, Richard Allen From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Mar 2 20:29:42 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:29:42 +0800 Subject: [SEL] sulfur and sulfurized lubricants for cutting metal References: <20050302204455.67827.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701c51fa9$a36645d0$85ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3> Thank you Richard ...............very thorough explanation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Allen" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 4:44 AM Subject: [SEL] sulfur and sulfurized lubricants for cutting metal > The way sulfur works as a metal cutting lubricant is that it melts at a > fairly low temperature to make a thick oily liquid that is very > slippery. > > Sulfur is peculiar because it melts twice. Just above the boiling point > of water at about 106? C (223? F) it melts, but when the temperature is > raised slightly it freezes again, then at about 115?C (239? F) it melts > again. Either molten phase works well as a cutting lubricant, but > because most machining operations create cutter point-of-contact > temperatures above the second melting point, it is in that form when > working. > > The reason why sulfur is mixed with oil, grease, and lard is for > several reasons. At room temperature, sulfur is a solid a lot like hard > rosin (which is also a very good cutting lubricant but expensive), so > it has to be powdered and mixed with a liquid other than water to get > it into the cut. Sulfur by itself catches on fire at the temperatures > generated during cutting, so mixing it with oils and greases prevents > this. Sulfur is also very active chemically and it reacts directly with > the copper and zinc of brass, and when wet it rapidly attacks iron. > When heated in contact with air it forms sulfuric acid. All this is > very bad for the parts being made and the cutting machinery, so the > oils and greases are used to neutralize sulfur's bad properties. > Because sulfur is very reactive chemically it forms several different > kinds of compounds with the oil and grease molecules, and those in turn > are also extremely good cutting lubricants. What actually goes on at > the point of contact is not fully understood, but apparently the > sulfur-oil compound molecules break apart at higher temperatures and > release the sulfur as minute or colloidal particles, which help push > the metal out of contact with the cutting tool. > > The 250-year old unbeatable standard cutting lubricant for drilling and > lathe work, as well as taps and dies, is sulfurized lard. I don't know > how it is made, but because it was around 250 years ago it can't be too > difficult. I have always used plain de-salted bacon fat or lard for > cutting steel because I can't tell the difference between it and > sulfurized lard when using a torque wrench to determine how much force > is needed to turn a tap. Mice and rats eat lard but usually won't touch > sulfurized lard, though, and more than a few times my dog got the can > of bacon fat off the lathe and ate it along with all the metal chips in > it, and the brush, too. Like I say, work and play safely, and that > includes your pets. > > Free machining stainless steels and steels have sulfur, selenium, or > lead introduced into the metal when being alloyed. When these alloys > are cut, the free sulfur, selenium (selenium is very much like sulfur > but EXTREMELY poisonous), or lead act as cutter lubricants, but the > down side is that free machining alloys are rather weak and have > limited usefulness, plus they don't weld very well. Lead is also used > in some armor piercing bullets as a lubricant, and does an excellent > job judging from the holes I have seen all the way through 6-inches of > hot-rolled mild steel that were made using an ordinary hunting rifle. > > Work and play safely, > > Richard Allen > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Mar 2 20:33:05 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:33:05 +0800 Subject: [SEL] club badges.....can you help? Message-ID: <000b01c51faa$1ba6e130$85ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3> I am amongst a few of my fellow club members who are disgusted at the '' badge '' that we have . Can those of you who are able send me an image of your club badge of list. Thank you in anticipation. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Thu Mar 3 04:02:36 2005 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:02:36 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re:BYB BRB, Arnie's Old Age - OT Message-ID: <20050303120236.74391.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> Ha ha ha, I can just picture old timer Arnie, 50 years from now in his rocking chair, recalling the good old days of engine collecting. BYB BRB BPBB BLBB BYB BRB BPBB BLBB BYB BRB BPBB BLBB BYB BRB BPBB BLBB Graham Oz PS Sorry Arnie. Now where's my other boot. From: Arnie Fero Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB/BRB Jim, That would be "American Gasoline Engines Since 1872," by C.H.Wendel. Often referred to as The Bible. It is generally available in four flavors. BYB - Big Yellow Book (the first printing) BRB - Big Red Book (the second printing, some say of lower quality) BPBB - Big Paper Back Book (the third printing) BLBB - Big Leather Bound Book (BYB, numbered & signed copies) Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 3 04:54:10 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 05:54:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re:BYB BRB, Arnie's Old Age - OT References: <20050303120236.74391.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rumor control has it that they are in the process of being republished..possibly updated. Any truth to that and if so where are they available? RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Harris" To: Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 5:02 AM Subject: [SEL] Re:BYB BRB, Arnie's Old Age - OT > Ha ha ha, I can just picture old timer Arnie, 50 years > from now in his rocking chair, recalling the good old > days of engine collecting. > > BYB BRB BPBB BLBB BYB BRB BPBB BLBB BYB BRB BPBB BLBB > BYB BRB BPBB BLBB > > Graham Oz > > PS Sorry Arnie. Now where's my other boot. > > From: Arnie Fero > Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB/BRB > > Jim, > > That would be "American Gasoline Engines Since 1872," > by > C.H.Wendel. > Often referred to as The Bible. > > It is generally available in four flavors. > BYB - Big Yellow Book (the first printing) > BRB - Big Red Book (the second printing, some say of > lower > quality) > BPBB - Big Paper Back Book (the third printing) > BLBB - Big Leather Bound Book (BYB, numbered & signed > copies) > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bboyce at swat.coop Thu Mar 3 05:46:53 2005 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 07:46:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] spark plug tap drill size,now LeRoi engine References: 155659668 <01f301c51ecb$05af5c20$0201010a@Portable> Message-ID: <001c01c51ff7$75c6e780$6401a8c0@BillyBob> thanks guys for the spark plug tap drill info, problem solved,,,, now i;m looking for info on a v12 LeRoi,,, model 3000-7, with a inline 4 LeRoi pony engine,,,, anyone have a location for manuals? date of manufacture? etc ? any help will be appreciated,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 3 06:00:15 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:00:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re:BYB BRB, Arnie's Old Age - OT In-Reply-To: <20050303120236.74391.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050303120236.74391.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: G'day Graham, On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, Graham Harris wrote: > Ha ha ha, I can just picture old timer Arnie, 50 years > from now in his rocking chair, recalling the good old > days of engine collecting. > > BYB BRB BPBB BLBB BYB BRB BPBB BLBB BYB BRB BPBB BLBB > BYB BRB BPBB BLBB No worries mate, I'm like that NOW when a lovely shelia strolls by wearing a fetching pair of Daisy Dukes!! Just ask Dave. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Mar 3 07:28:57 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 07:28:57 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re:BYB BRB, Arnie's Old Age - OT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503031528.j23FSxwR018074@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > > BYB BRB BPBB BLBB BYB BRB BPBB BLBB BYB BRB BPBB BLBB > > BYB BRB BPBB BLBB > strolls by wearing > a fetching pair of Daisy Dukes!! Just ask Dave. 8-)) Yes, I can understand having such a response if Dave was to strut by in his cut-off hot pants. From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Thu Mar 3 03:52:36 2005 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:52:36 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re:Best engine trip reply to Peter (sort of OT) Message-ID: <20050303115237.92551.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> G'day Peter S Interesting story - 300 miles for an engine trip is quite a drive even for Oz dwellers. We also have a reverence for "the shed". There's a song about Aussie Blokes and their sheds (Every Aussie bloke needs a shed) or something like that. Your suggestion of the Alice to Townsville is a r-e-a-l good choice. This's frontier stuff. Let me see... 70Km out of Alice, turn right, another 70k's and you hit dirt, 430K's to the border (there'd be some water tanks along there I'd reckon) then another 600k's to Winton, where you'd hit the bitumen again. After that a mere 830K's to the coast, then you could travel the Great Barrier Reef coast road for another 700K's and you'd be in Townsville. A Renault with 200,000 clicks up might not be the greatest choice... and it would have to be a bloody good engine you'd be collecting! Cheers Graham in Oz PS QLD for Queensland or sometimes just Q is what we use. Call 'em Banana Benders. From: Peter Scales Subject: Re: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? To: The SEL email discussion list Well, so far in my hobby career, I have only made three "real" engine-related trips. I count a "real" trip as one that takes me out of the county (about 50 miles on average in the UK) and requires a trailer to bring back the spoils. I had another one that nearly sketch featuring a certain "Two-Sheds Jackson"...) Unfortunately, the Bismarck, ND, to Topeka, KS, or Alice Springs, NT, to Townsville, QL (is that the right abbreviation for Queensland?). It doesn't take quite so long, though, and the roads might be a little better than in Oz... Regards to all Pete -- Peter Scales Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 08:22:53 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:22:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Message-ID: <6f6025160503030822286617d@mail.gmail.com> After a reminder call about flights etc from Dolly, we got on-line and have the Portland flights booked and paid for. We are going to have a look at the Studebaker and Auburn museums in the north of Indiana earlier in the week, and will also have a peek at one of the Amish museums while in the state. We also have to make the trip to Dayton again, love the Air Force Museum! See y'all there :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From George_Best at adp.com Thu Mar 3 08:49:19 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:49:19 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF031499@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> I've been disappointed that hardly anyone has shared their engine trip stories. Don't you people ever go anywhere???? For me, visiting collectors makes any trip a great trip. Well..... Maybe not 100% true as you may go visit a collector and find out he isn't interested in showing you anything and has no interest in starting up anything. However, with a little planning you can locate collections where you know you'll be welcome and the person is glad to give you a grand tour and truly enjoys talking about engines and showing their collection. Visiting collectors is the only way you will ever see some engines. I'm sure a lot of us know of rare engines that are never shown at public shows and you can only see if the collector is willing to show it to you. Seems to me if you enjoy this hobby that you must have gone somewhere at sometime to buy an engine or at least look at some engines! Some people, including myself, say that SEL is dying. Which is true if you're not interested in posting any engine related topics or stories. Being a "lurker" doesn't help, and only making wise cracks or off topic postings doesn't help either. WAIT George From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu Mar 3 09:00:12 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:00:12 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re:Best engine trip reply to Peter (sort of OT) In-Reply-To: <20050303115237.92551.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050303115237.92551.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1WZnuNNcK0JCFw9b@loud-n-clear.net> In message <20050303115237.92551.qmail at web41111.mail.yahoo.com>, Graham Harris writes >A Renault with >200,000 clicks up might not be the greatest choice... It was 320,000 clicks, actually - 200,000 miles two years ago. It has just shy of 460,000 clicks on it today :-) It gets an oil change tomorrow. If it lives, it gets a cam belt at 480,000. It has been a superb car, for a knacker :-) Thank you for your kind feedback. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From mtucker at uky.edu Thu Mar 3 08:55:47 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:55:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: <6f6025160503030822286617d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160503030822286617d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >We are going to have a look at the Studebaker and Auburn museums in >the north of Indiana Peter, It's the Auburn, Cord Duesenberg Museum in Auburn, Indiana (see ). The museum is in the 30's era, art deco style Auburn, Cord, Duesenberg headquarters/showroom. It is well worth your visit! See ya, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From curt at imc-group.com Thu Mar 3 09:23:42 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 12:23:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland-AFM OT In-Reply-To: <6f6025160503030822286617d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160503030822286617d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4227481E.6030902@imc-group.com> Listerdiesel wrote: >After a reminder call about flights etc from Dolly, we got on-line and >have the Portland flights booked and paid for. We are going to have a >look at the Studebaker and Auburn museums in the north of Indiana >earlier in the week, and will also have a peek at one of the Amish >museums while in the state. > >We also have to make the trip to Dayton again, love the Air Force Museum! > >See y'all there :-)) > >Peter > > Peter, Be sure you get your tickets and reservations early to tour the Presidential hanger. The big draw is Kennedy's Air Force 1 that he was brought back from Dallas on, but all are interesting. In the hanger beside the AF1 exhibit is another hanger of experimental aircraft and engines. For me it was the most fascinating of all the displays at the AFM. Curt From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 3 09:32:52 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:32:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: <6f6025160503030822286617d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160503030822286617d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Hope you didn't forget about the Badger Steam & Gas show in Baraboo, Wisconsin August 19-21. It's the perfect leadin to Portland. http://www.badgersteamandgas.com/ See ya, Arnie On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > After a reminder call about flights etc from Dolly, we got on-line and > have the Portland flights booked and paid for. We are going to have a > look at the Studebaker and Auburn museums in the north of Indiana > earlier in the week, and will also have a peek at one of the Amish > museums while in the state. > > We also have to make the trip to Dayton again, love the Air Force Museum! From George_Best at adp.com Thu Mar 3 09:53:37 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:53:37 -0800 Subject: [SEL] W.H.E.A.T. swap meet Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF0314BA@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Is anyone on this list going to the WHEAT swap meet at Turlock CA next weekend? I'm still debating on whether I want to make the 600 miles each way trip since diesel fuel prices are so high now. I'm still planning on Tulare in April (800 miles each way), but the Tulare show is way bigger than the WHEAT swap meet. WAIT George From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Mar 3 10:17:24 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:17:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re:BYB BRB, Arnie's Old Age - OT In-Reply-To: References: <20050303120236.74391.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <422754B4.7010009@scrtc.com> Rick, I know an update is in the works. Whether it will be a complete reprint of the original or a supplemental update I haven't heard however. Either way, it will be something all of us need to have. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Rumor control has it that they are in the process of being >republished..possibly updated. > >Any truth to that and if so where are they available? > >RickinMt. > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 10:23:03 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:23:03 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160503030822286617d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050303102368458049@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:55:47 -0500, Michael Tucker wrote: > >We are going to have a look at the Studebaker and Auburn museums in > >the north of Indiana > > Peter, > > It's the Auburn, Cord Duesenberg Museum in Auburn, Indiana (see > ). The museum is in the 30's era, art > deco style Auburn, Cord, Duesenberg headquarters/showroom. It is > well worth your visit! > > See ya, > Mike That's the one, Mike: There is also the Studebaker Museum in South Bend, IN, where I think a few machine tools came out of? Should be able to visit both if we get our digits extracted. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From solarrog at pacbell.net Thu Mar 3 10:25:14 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:25:14 -0800 Subject: [SEL] W.H.E.A.T. swap meet References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF0314BA@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Message-ID: <012c01c5201e$59335050$81017643@D6R3D961> I will be there George Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: [SEL] W.H.E.A.T. swap meet > Is anyone on this list going to the WHEAT swap meet at Turlock CA next > weekend? > > I'm still debating on whether I want to make the 600 miles each way trip > since diesel fuel prices are so high now. I'm still planning on Tulare > in April (800 miles each way), but the Tulare show is way bigger than > the WHEAT swap meet. > > WAIT George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 10:26:10 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:26:10 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland-AFM OT In-Reply-To: <4227481E.6030902@imc-group.com> References: <6f6025160503030822286617d@mail.gmail.com> <4227481E.6030902@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605030310263fcc6b17@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 12:23:42 -0500, Curt wrote: > Listerdiesel wrote: > > >After a reminder call about flights etc from Dolly, we got on-line and > >have the Portland flights booked and paid for. We are going to have a > >look at the Studebaker and Auburn museums in the north of Indiana > >earlier in the week, and will also have a peek at one of the Amish > >museums while in the state. > > > >We also have to make the trip to Dayton again, love the Air Force Museum! > > > >See y'all there :-)) > > > >Peter > > > > > Peter, > Be sure you get your tickets and reservations early to tour the > Presidential hanger. The big draw is Kennedy's Air Force 1 that he was > brought back from Dallas on, but all are interesting. > In the hanger beside the AF1 exhibit is another hanger of experimental > aircraft and engines. For me it was the most fascinating of all the > displays at the AFM. > Curt We did that the first year, missed it last year and will probably go again this year. We joined the "Friends of the Air Force Museum" on our first visit, and the discounts off the stuff we buy pays for the annual sub's. Best of all, a lot of the books on sale there are cheaper than in the UK, like half price! so add the discount on as well, and it makes a lot of financial sense. The Rolls-Royce heritage Trust books are on sale there at a big discount to the UK prices, probably close to Heritage member's prices. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 10:32:41 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:32:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? In-Reply-To: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF031499@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF031499@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050303103274c96ef5@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:49:19 -0800, George Best wrote: > I've been disappointed that hardly anyone has shared their engine trip > stories. > > Don't you people ever go anywhere???? > > For me, visiting collectors makes any trip a great trip. Well..... > Maybe not 100% true as you may go visit a collector and find out he > isn't interested in showing you anything and has no interest in starting > up anything. However, with a little planning you can locate collections > where you know you'll be welcome and the person is glad to give you a > grand tour and truly enjoys talking about engines and showing their > collection. It's not quite the same over here, but I can understand your comments and frustration. Many serious collectors do not encourage casual visits, and even organised ones can be a bit difficult to organise. > Visiting collectors is the only way you will ever see some engines. I'm > sure a lot of us know of rare engines that are never shown at public > shows and you can only see if the collector is willing to show it to > you. There is a better array over here perhaps, as you may have seen on your European trip. We do have a lot of engine museums, including Paul Evan's Internal Fire and the Anson Museum, but in addition there are also large public museums with engines on display like the Birmingham Museum of Science & technology, and we also have a lot of museums with engines in that are part of a larger setup, like the Kew Bridge Museum which has probably the largest beam engine in the world in operational condition. > Seems to me if you enjoy this hobby that you must have gone somewhere at > sometime to buy an engine or at least look at some engines! I guess that our climate doesn't help, but certainly the USA should have better weather than us, particularly the western prairie side. > Some people, including myself, say that SEL is dying. Which is true if > you're not interested in posting any engine related topics or stories. > Being a "lurker" doesn't help, and only making wise cracks or off topic > postings doesn't help either. I think that is not quite correct, George, folks don't have the same amount of time these days that they seem to have had five or ten years ago, and many of us don't always have anything interesting or unusual to say, so it often takes another remark or thread to bring us out :-)) > WAIT George Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 10:34:05 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:34:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] W.H.E.A.T. swap meet In-Reply-To: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF0314BA@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF0314BA@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050303103431aba26a@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:53:37 -0800, George Best wrote: > Is anyone on this list going to the WHEAT swap meet at Turlock CA next > weekend? > > I'm still debating on whether I want to make the 600 miles each way trip > since diesel fuel prices are so high now. I'm still planning on Tulare > in April (800 miles each way), but the Tulare show is way bigger than > the WHEAT swap meet. > > WAIT George We dropped Turlock in favour of Tulare for that very reason. We couldn't do both and Tulare is so much better attended, plus we get to see Rob & Kelley and the others from down south... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 10:36:09 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:36:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160503030822286617d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160503031036224334a2@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:32:52 -0500 (EST), Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Hope you didn't forget about the Badger Steam & Gas show in Baraboo, > Wisconsin August 19-21. It's the perfect leadin to Portland. > http://www.badgersteamandgas.com/ > > See ya, Arnie We'd love to do it, and it is one of the items that Dolly mentioned when she called this afternoon, but we can't get the time away at that time of year, and we have to virtually set up the end of month stuff for the company before we go, as it is a Bank Holiday on that weekend and everything is closed. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Mar 3 10:51:56 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:51:56 EST Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? Message-ID: <1d4.37551467.2f58b6cc@aol.com> In a message dated 3/3/2005 12:36:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, George_Best at adp.com writes: << I've been disappointed that hardly anyone has shared their engine trip stories. >> George, I got the bright idea one day that I needed to go way up in the mountains of West Virginia not too far from Sistersville and retrieve a stationary hay baler. This was during a period that I thought all antique junk iron should reside on our farm, no matter what its use or condition. This drive was about 6 hours from here. Not having a large truck at that time, I borrowed my neighbors Ford F250 diesel and a trailer. Millie and I left at 5 am Friday morning and arrived later that morning safely in the mountains. It was 100% humidity and about 94 deg F. Almost got heat exhaustion getting things loaded and we headed out of the mountains. Got to a main road and stopped to check things. Noted transmission fluid leaking on ground. Made it to a service station a number of miles down the road, filled up transmission, then made it to a Ford dealer early afternoon. Unhooked trailer and they checked everything in their shop. I had a transmission seal turning loose, but not real bad at that moment. But if I continued to haul the heavy load it was sure to turn loose. Talked the dealer into letting me leave the trailer load of junk on his lot, but he made me hide it on the far backside. Bought some transmission fluid, flashlight, and pulled into home at 12 that night. Got up Saturday early, made arrangements to borrow another truck, but it had no electrical brake hookup for trailer. Went to town and had them installed and Millie and I pulled out again at 11am. Got to the Ford Dealer in West Virginia just before they closed and locked gates. Hooked up, bought a milkshake, and headed for home. It was a load for the older F150 truck, so on the hills of W.Va., it would over heat and I would open windows, cut heater wide open to help keep engine cool. This while the temp was around 90! Got home around midnight again. The baler sits in the back now with the other junk. During the trip home we had to drive the West Va. Turnpike and stop to at tool booths every so often. The baler had a tree growing up thru it. The ticket agents would look at it, shake their heads, collect my money and let me thru!!! Millie said that was the last time she was going with me anywhere junk hauling except for local trips!!!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 3 11:18:05 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:18:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re:BYB BRB - Update In-Reply-To: <422754B4.7010009@scrtc.com> References: <20050303120236.74391.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> <422754B4.7010009@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Tommy / Rick, In Richard's piece in the current GEM, I think he said something about Wendel returning to GEN as a contributor. I thought he also said something about the status / scope of the update to the bible. I don't have my GEM handy... Would someone take a look? See ya, Arnie On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > I know an update is in the works. Whether it will be a complete > reprint of the original or a supplemental update I haven't heard > however. Either way, it will be something all of us need to have. > > > >Rumor control has it that they are in the process of being > >republished..possibly updated. > > > >Any truth to that and if so where are they available? > > > >RickinMt. From curt at imc-group.com Thu Mar 3 12:35:59 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:35:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? In-Reply-To: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF031499@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF031499@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Message-ID: <4227752F.6010204@imc-group.com> George, Suspect after hearing about your HOWT tours and the EHOWT we all feel like our little trips to see engine collection pale by comparison! Personally only having been in the hobby 7 or 8 years we've simply not had the time yet to see many of the collections. With work and limited vacations only short trips are permitted. But a few trips/shows are memorable. Early on when putting the 6HP Herc buzz saw together I could not find a front axle for the cart. The cart itself had required a drive to east Virginia and that was a good father son adventure. The front axle required a trip to St. Louis to see Jim White. He had the front half of a cart and a deal was struck. His engine collection of I'm guessing 500 engines was sure worth the long drive. We made it a family event and took in the arch in St. Louis and other sites. A few years ago we decided to do the Mt. Pleasant show. We took the round about way home thru Baraboo and the Dells and visited Nels Johnsrud to see his collection of David Bradleys. I have to count annual pilgrimages to Portland and Coolsprings as HOWT's tours in themselves, when you consider the number of engines seen per miles driven! I image when we are enjoying the 7 day weekend, there will be more opportunity for the HOWT trips you've tantalized us with! We really have enjoyed your reports. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. In a few weeks a OzHOWT report should be coming ;-) George Best wrote: >I've been disappointed that hardly anyone has shared their engine trip >stories. > >Don't you people ever go anywhere???? > > > From segray at mlode.com Thu Mar 3 12:44:31 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 12:44:31 -0800 Subject: [SEL] W.H.E.A.T. swap meet In-Reply-To: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF0314BA@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF0314BA@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Message-ID: <4227772F.8000302@mlode.com> Hi George - Yeah, I'll be there early Sunday for sure. Was planning on making a quick trip Saturday PM, too, since all the goodies seem to go then, but as mentioned, the diesel prices may preclude that. Maybe if I just coast out of the mountains.... ;-) Turlock's a definite go. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com George Best wrote: >Is anyone on this list going to the WHEAT swap meet at Turlock CA next >weekend? > >I'm still debating on whether I want to make the 600 miles each way trip >since diesel fuel prices are so high now. I'm still planning on Tulare >in April (800 miles each way), but the Tulare show is way bigger than >the WHEAT swap meet. > >WAIT George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Thu Mar 3 13:30:05 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:30:05 +0100 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF031499@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Message-ID: <009d01c52038$2aadfc70$3775833e@harryp1811> I just jump in late about this topic, and frankly I haven't spend much time online lately. George reading your first post about the most memorable engine trip, I sure agree that a real (E) HOWT is the best an engine lover can get! It's hard to say what HOWT was the best for me, as IMO they were all GREAT!! The first one, was the first I was in the US. The first two days we go to the Great Oregon steam-up in Brooks. It was the best show I have been until that day! The rest of the two weeks was making lots of miles seeing lots of engine's and meeting lots of friendly engine collectors. The first HOWT was GREAT! The next year we made an even better HOWT going from Portland Oregon to Portland Indiana, and back. Visting many more collectors and seeing even better engines on this trip I must say that this is the best engine trip ever for me. Also meeting so many people from the SEL, and others sure makes this trip very memorable. The next year George came over to Holland and in about 11 days we drive about 4000 miles. We sure see allot great collections again, but I think by than that is already standard for any HOWT ;-) Of two weeks later my dad and I had to make another mini HOWT to the Czech republic, becuase George (and I) buy some engines over there. That was another 1400 miles round trip hauling the trailer in two days. For me the second HOWT was the best engine trip ever!! Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 5:49 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? > I've been disappointed that hardly anyone has shared their engine trip > stories. > > Don't you people ever go anywhere???? > > For me, visiting collectors makes any trip a great trip. Well..... > Maybe not 100% true as you may go visit a collector and find out he > isn't interested in showing you anything and has no interest in starting > up anything. However, with a little planning you can locate collections > where you know you'll be welcome and the person is glad to give you a > grand tour and truly enjoys talking about engines and showing their > collection. > > Visiting collectors is the only way you will ever see some engines. I'm > sure a lot of us know of rare engines that are never shown at public > shows and you can only see if the collector is willing to show it to > you. > > Seems to me if you enjoy this hobby that you must have gone somewhere at > sometime to buy an engine or at least look at some engines! > > Some people, including myself, say that SEL is dying. Which is true if > you're not interested in posting any engine related topics or stories. > Being a "lurker" doesn't help, and only making wise cracks or off topic > postings doesn't help either. > > WAIT George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Thu Mar 3 13:51:41 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:51:41 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF031573@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> > George, > Suspect after hearing about your HOWT tours and the EHOWT we > all feel like our little trips to see engine collection pale > by comparison! My trips can be a bit hard core, but people shouldn't feel that their favorite engine trip has to be of epic proportions. A favorite show you go to, a trip to pick up an engine you bought, or just a visit to someplace where you saw an engine is fine. > Personally only having been in the hobby 7 or 8 years we've > simply not had the time yet to see many of the collections. > With work and limited vacations only short trips are > permitted. Should be easier to have a favorite trip if you've been in the hobby a shorter amount of time and have been fewer places. The more trips and experiences you have, the harder it is to pick a favorite one. Sort of like picking a favorite engine is easier if you have a small collection than a large collection. > I image when we are enjoying the 7 day weekend, there will be > more opportunity for the HOWT trips you've tantalized us > with! 7 day weekend??? Not me. I've got to work full time to support the lifestyle I've come accustomed to ;-) All of my HOWT trips were not more than a 2 week vacation. Granted, after working 30 years I get more than 2 weeks of vacation a year, but not enough. I am looking forward to the 7 day weekend, just can't afford it yet. WAIT George From George_Best at adp.com Thu Mar 3 14:08:04 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:08:04 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF031582@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> > It's not quite the same over here, but I can understand your > comments and frustration. Many serious collectors do not > encourage casual visits, and even organised ones can be a bit > difficult to organise. Peter, Must be a U.K. thing. When Harry and I did the EHOWT we had no problem finding serious collectors willing to show us their collection. Granted, between Harry and myself we had contacted most of the collectors prior to the trip and they were expecting us. However, the first collector we visited in Germany wasn't even on our schedule. We were driving down the autobahn making good time to visit a large collection. Since we were near a town with an interesting collection, we decided to see if we could find the collector. We stopped a person on the street and asked where the collector lived and had a picture of what we were looking for. The person knew where the guy lived and guided us there. As soon as the engine collector met us and saw that we were serious engines collectors he gladly gave us the grand tour and started up several engines. It was a great visit and I'm sure Harry and I will remember it for a long time. Of course it also helps if you're the type of person that feels comfortable going up to strangers and talking to them. WAIT George Ps. I'm sure that every country has a few collectors that are suspicious of everyone and don't want to show their stuff. But I think the majority of collectors are willing to show their stuff to other people who really appreciate engines. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 3 14:33:46 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:33:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Charlie is home! Message-ID: <00d701c52041$12c3ebc0$230110ac@PAUL> ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard R Allen To: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 4:14 PM Subject: Charlie is home! Hello to all!, Had a call from Charlie few minutes ago. A friend went to NH for him. He said they had real good trip to Jay. Stopped at the rest area--probably in Kennebunk --had lunch He's been upstairs --said no problem at all so that was good. He was resting on the couch when he called. Probably be back on line in few days. Now secretary with out a job! Lois PS If you have any questions or if you don't hear from him, please feel free to send me an e-mail. and I will bring you up to date! From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Mar 3 15:01:42 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 07:01:42 +0800 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF031499@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Message-ID: <003101c52044$fb00dd50$2eb53dca@ogborneuah38i3> George ,I will give you one soon ,just a bit short of time to sit down at the comp . ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 12:49 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? > I've been disappointed that hardly anyone has shared their engine trip > stories. > > Don't you people ever go anywhere???? > > For me, visiting collectors makes any trip a great trip. Well..... > Maybe not 100% true as you may go visit a collector and find out he > isn't interested in showing you anything and has no interest in starting > up anything. However, with a little planning you can locate collections > where you know you'll be welcome and the person is glad to give you a > grand tour and truly enjoys talking about engines and showing their > collection. > > Visiting collectors is the only way you will ever see some engines. I'm > sure a lot of us know of rare engines that are never shown at public > shows and you can only see if the collector is willing to show it to > you. > > Seems to me if you enjoy this hobby that you must have gone somewhere at > sometime to buy an engine or at least look at some engines! > > Some people, including myself, say that SEL is dying. Which is true if > you're not interested in posting any engine related topics or stories. > Being a "lurker" doesn't help, and only making wise cracks or off topic > postings doesn't help either. > > WAIT George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Mar 3 16:02:27 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:02:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re:BYB BRB - Update In-Reply-To: References: <20050303120236.74391.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> <422754B4.7010009@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <4227A593.9010503@earthlink.net> Hi all, Just took a look. There are supposed to be a short string of 100 page updates and he is working toward a reprint of the title as well. Jeff Arnie Fero wrote: >Tommy / Rick, > >In Richard's piece in the current GEM, I think he said something about >Wendel returning to GEN as a contributor. I thought he also said >something about the status / scope of the update to the bible. I don't >have my GEM handy... Would someone take a look? > >See ya, Arnie > >On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > >> I know an update is in the works. Whether it will be a complete >>reprint of the original or a supplemental update I haven't heard >>however. Either way, it will be something all of us need to have. >> >> >> >> >>>Rumor control has it that they are in the process of being >>>republished..possibly updated. >>> >>>Any truth to that and if so where are they available? >>> >>>RickinMt. >>> >>> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 3 16:38:10 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:38:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050304003810.57683.qmail@web61301.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Peter, and list folks,,, Give a long thought to the Buckley, Michigan show instead. http://www.buckleyoldengineshow.org/index.htm August 18-21 Just six hours north of Portland. I wish there was at least one year when the Buckley and Baraboo shows were on different weekends. I would love to visit Baraboo and Joe has told me he would like to visit Buckley. --- Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Hope you didn't forget about the Badger Steam & Gas show in Baraboo, > Wisconsin August 19-21. It's the perfect leadin to Portland. > http://www.badgersteamandgas.com/ > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > After a reminder call about flights etc from Dolly, we got on-line and > > have the Portland flights booked and paid for. We are going to have a > > look at the Studebaker and Auburn museums in the north of Indiana > > earlier in the week, and will also have a peek at one of the Amish > > museums while in the state. > > > > We also have to make the trip to Dayton again, love the Air Force Museum! __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Mar 3 16:39:14 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:39:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl Message-ID: <005c01c52052$98081200$933354d2@Cam> Well Folks we will be leaving for the National ( Narracorte ) tomorrow morning and will be off line for 2 weeks as I am pulling the caravan and making a holiday of it also. I plan to stay at Bendigo ( Vic ) for a few days, I did a lot of my growing up there and then a cruise around after the show. Looking forward to seeing the people I know and the new friends I will make. Regards Cam Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford 2250 Australia From jbcast at charter.net Thu Mar 3 16:51:17 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 0:51:17 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 5hp Bulldog Message-ID: <3rr89i$oravtr@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net> > > JB: > Ken's Picture Link has them! > > Mike Royster > Thanks Mike J.B. From jbcast at charter.net Thu Mar 3 16:53:23 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 0:53:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 5hp Bulldog Message-ID: <3rr769$pbp82s@mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net> > > From: "Rob Skinner" > http://www.planefacts.co.uk/engines/images/bulldog1_jpg.jpg > > Rob, when I click on the link I get accused of being a thief and can't get any farther. J.B. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 3 16:52:45 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:52:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF031499@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> <003101c52044$fb00dd50$2eb53dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <010b01c52054$7add6ac0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > > Being a "lurker" doesn't help, and only making wise cracks or off topic > > postings doesn't help either. I guess it bears repeating , no fear in being redundant here >>>>>>>>> my father was given a pair of silver spurs from a close friend in order that he might polish them and weld indian head nickels on the loops for the boot straps . They both got busy earning a living , started letting the hands ride the horses and pretty much forgot all about them for 30 + years . Some 10 years after his passing,his wife , who was a frequent visitor to our garage,in an epiphanal moment , asked pop where those spurs were . She's looking at me , but he has his back to her and is looking at me with a wide eyed sort of " I have absolutely no idea what she is talking about " I smiled real big and told her , No problemo JoDelle " Iremembered them from when I was a kid and knew where they were . fortunately . I done them up as promised and delivered to the son , who took his fathers place as ranch forman for a large and long time local cattle concern . * note keywords long time (before 40's)and cattle (need lots of WATER!) so anyway The guy is enormous , kinda looks like that grumpy old cat from American Chopper too . Up to this point there was no alterior motive other than to restore an heirloom , his fathers spurs for chrissakes . It just felt really good .Well,this particular bruin was visibly shaken and got the vapors on us for a second . Then he says . "You guys are into those old engines aincha ? Theres a whole barn full of them out back you can take whatever you want outta there " He goes back in the house to reflect . What was that,did someone just scream BOMB!!! ?!?!?! There were Monitor pumpers and LBn La's stacked up like cordwood , bins of parts NOS pistons with bearings , NOS cylinders , fist fulls of mixers , valves about aton of Baker stuff . Not like I found a mint Charter or a Harley 45packed in US Army cosmo , but this was all still pretty new to me andI had just got a baker to run by itself . It was my motherload . And it was 108.997 degrees inside that metal shed , and the dust was about as thick as my index finger . on everything . I was loving it . I took all afternoon so as to savor it and not pass out from the heat. Its all pretty much gone every direction by now , but my favorite Baker I have now I built from all new parts outta that pile . I thik that was the same year the wrecking crew went to work on the Todd . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This particular stash of engines can also be instigated in the near extinction of a local species of fowl . But thats an engine anectdote . not a trip story . I'll whip that out when its gonna be good for a grade . Chuck Balyeat http://www.royalcrossfarm.com/ PS OH YEAH GEORGE ! The desperately stuck R~V that like to ate Harrys foot...........she lives and again ! Amd what an exquiste mess she was too . We fabbed and tapped on it enough it didnt cost much but a LOT of time and a lot of fun We didnt try , but you can probly cut white pine with that conrod . Sure could use a new one , but he only runs it at home but little at that . Its all about the journey anyway . From jbcast at charter.net Thu Mar 3 17:02:30 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 1:02:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 5hp Bulldog Message-ID: <3spdi8$dvdr1@mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net> > Hi JB, > > Man I am proud you got the Bull Dog engine, I know you will search and find > parts or make them yourself and get it going, and it will help take up a lot > of that free time you have, (just kidding). > > An OLE engine friend, > > Bill Miller. > Memphis, TN. Bill, my current project came from this same gentleman, a 6hp vertical Domestic sideshaft, pretty much a basket case but worth the time and effort. The piston and rod were missing on this engine also. The cylinder was pitted pretty bad, I bored it .125 over to 5 1/8", used a F-M rod, repoured the bearing and made a piston out of aluminum since this is a closed crank engine. My first thought was to sleeve it, but at 1/8" over the cylinder wall is still .520" thick. I'm making the wrist pin right now, it should have compression for the first time in many years. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From jbcast at charter.net Thu Mar 3 17:08:41 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 1:08:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? Message-ID: <3rr4tf$j7229h@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> All of our engine trips have been good, hard to pick a best. We've been to Portland 4 times, Coolsprings, Florida, and numerous local shows. The traveling there and back is as much fun as the shows, we usually go by van or motorhome with 6-8 people, a lot of stories get told. J.B. Castagnos From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Mar 3 18:33:15 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:33:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? In-Reply-To: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF031499@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF031499@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Message-ID: <4227C8EB.5070100@earthlink.net> Hi George, There have been some great posts on this. There are also some of us that can't tell much of a story. I've only been involved in this hobby for about a year and a half. My only out of town trip was to Bird City, KS last summer, and it is my best. Huge steam tractors, stationary engines, great food and people. I had a ball, and look forward to many more. I have a limited amount of vacation time, so it will take me years to have a lot to tell. Maybe one day I will have a seven day weekend, and can traverse this great land in search of engines and all things related. For now I enjoy what little I can take in. I have an antique walk behind tractor waiting patiently in KS right now. I hope that trip provides me with a few extras in the back of the truck when I return. I'll damn sure share if I come across anything. For those that lurk I'll offer some advice. We DON'T BITE, we only flame now and then. Jump in and participate. Opinions are like what you can tell some to pack sand in, and we all have one. For a virtual look at my best trip: http://oldengine.org/members/allen/BirdCity/BirdCity.html Jeff Allen George Best wrote: >I've been disappointed that hardly anyone has shared their engine trip >stories. > >Don't you people ever go anywhere???? > >For me, visiting collectors makes any trip a great trip. Well..... >Maybe not 100% true as you may go visit a collector and find out he >isn't interested in showing you anything and has no interest in starting >up anything. However, with a little planning you can locate collections >where you know you'll be welcome and the person is glad to give you a >grand tour and truly enjoys talking about engines and showing their >collection. > >Visiting collectors is the only way you will ever see some engines. I'm >sure a lot of us know of rare engines that are never shown at public >shows and you can only see if the collector is willing to show it to >you. > >Seems to me if you enjoy this hobby that you must have gone somewhere at >sometime to buy an engine or at least look at some engines! > >Some people, including myself, say that SEL is dying. Which is true if >you're not interested in posting any engine related topics or stories. >Being a "lurker" doesn't help, and only making wise cracks or off topic >postings doesn't help either. > >WAIT George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From old_iron at msn.com Thu Mar 3 18:54:52 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:54:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] club badges.....can you help? In-Reply-To: <000b01c51faa$1ba6e130$85ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: If you sned me your snail, I will send you a badge, like the ones I hand out at Portland. Peg Pfeiffer >From: "peter ogborne" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] club badges.....can you help? >Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:33:05 +0800 > >I am amongst a few of my fellow club members who are disgusted at the '' >badge '' that we have . Can those of you who are able send me an image of >your club badge of list. >Thank you in anticipation. >Peter Ogborne >Little Grove ,Albany >West Australia >''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >jopeter at omninet.net.au > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bethell1 at iinet.net.au Thu Mar 3 19:04:45 2005 From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (Jim Bethell) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:04:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl Message-ID: <005101c52066$ec13c9c0$d02fd9cb@bethell1> Cam, I will catch you there. Leaving monday \, stopping near Horsham for a few days. regards Jim Bethell -----Original Message----- From: cam grundy To: LISTMAIL Date: Friday, 4 March 2005 11:52 Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl >Well Folks we will be leaving for the National ( Narracorte ) tomorrow >morning and will be off line for 2 weeks as I am pulling the caravan and >making a holiday of it also. I plan to stay at Bendigo ( Vic ) for a few >days, I did a lot of my growing up there and then a cruise around after the >show. Looking forward to seeing the people I know and the new friends I >will make. > Regards Cam >Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford 2250 > Australia > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Mar 3 19:31:05 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:31:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip? In-Reply-To: <3rr4tf$j7229h@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3rr4tf$j7229h@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: Yeah, I sure enjoyed ferrying that wild bunch from Louisiana between Portland and Decatur in my van! :-) John On Mar 3, 2005, at 8:08 PM, wrote: > > All of our engine trips have been good, hard to pick a best. We've > been to Portland 4 times, Coolsprings, Florida, and numerous local > shows. The traveling there and back is as much fun as the shows, we > usually go by van or motorhome with 6-8 people, a lot of stories get > told. > J.B. Castagnos John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Thu Mar 3 21:57:12 2005 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:57:12 EST Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl Message-ID: <12c.58cc2fcc.2f5952b8@aol.com> see you there Thursday night Cam. We are leaving Wednesday morning and staying overnight in Bendigo, taking the 1 1/2 Olds and 1 1/2 Challenge Woody Peter Woodmore peterwoodmore at aol.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 22:56:34 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 06:56:34 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 5hp Bulldog In-Reply-To: <3rr769$pbp82s@mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3rr769$pbp82s@mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605030322563d6a1007@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 0:53:23 +0000, jbcast at charter.net wrote: > > > > > From: "Rob Skinner" > http://www.planefacts.co.uk/engines/images/bulldog1_jpg.jpg > > > > > Rob, when I click on the link I get accused of being a thief and can't get any farther. > J.B. That url is for Richard Heulin's site in the UK isn't it? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Fri Mar 4 00:19:53 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:19:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl References: <005101c52066$ec13c9c0$d02fd9cb@bethell1> Message-ID: <01d701c52092$f1b656a0$933354d2@Cam> OK Mate, I am coming home through Mildura I will get Russell's Phone No off you then and look him up. Regards Cam. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Bethell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl > Cam, I will catch you there. Leaving monday \, stopping near Horsham for a > few days. > regards > Jim Bethell > > -----Original Message----- > From: cam grundy > To: LISTMAIL > Date: Friday, 4 March 2005 11:52 > Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl > > >>Well Folks we will be leaving for the National ( Narracorte ) tomorrow >>morning and will be off line for 2 weeks as I am pulling the caravan and >>making a holiday of it also. I plan to stay at Bendigo ( Vic ) for a few >>days, I did a lot of my growing up there and then a cruise around after >>the >>show. Looking forward to seeing the people I know and the new friends I >>will make. >> Regards Cam >>Cam and Edwina Grundy >> Kariong >> Gosford 2250 >> Australia >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Fri Mar 4 00:20:44 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:20:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl References: <12c.58cc2fcc.2f5952b8@aol.com> Message-ID: <01dc01c52093$106fa240$933354d2@Cam> OK Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl > see you there Thursday night Cam. We are leaving Wednesday morning and > staying overnight in Bendigo, taking the 1 1/2 Olds and 1 1/2 Challenge > > > Woody > Peter Woodmore > peterwoodmore at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Fri Mar 4 02:48:45 2005 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:48:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl References: <005101c52066$ec13c9c0$d02fd9cb@bethell1> <01d701c52092$f1b656a0$933354d2@Cam> Message-ID: <005a01c520a7$be9d3c10$0301a8c0@Young1203> Hope you blokes have a great time at the National. Kinda sorry now I'm not going - hopefully it'll be closer next time. John Rutherford dropped in to say g'day on the way through tonight after leaving his place this morning at 3:50am - I guess about a 1000km trip for him. We cranked up a few engines (the Allan and the Olds 12hp - both started Ok which is a minor miracle for me), shared a few sherbets and told lots of storys (mostly true) before he left for Cootamundra and eventually - next week - Naracoorte. Michael Young ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl > OK Mate, I am coming home through Mildura I will get Russell's Phone No off > you then and look him up. Regards Cam. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Bethell" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 2:04 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl > > > > Cam, I will catch you there. Leaving monday \, stopping near Horsham for a > > few days. > > regards > > Jim Bethell > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cam grundy > > To: LISTMAIL > > Date: Friday, 4 March 2005 11:52 > > Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl > > > > > >>Well Folks we will be leaving for the National ( Narracorte ) tomorrow > >>morning and will be off line for 2 weeks as I am pulling the caravan and > >>making a holiday of it also. I plan to stay at Bendigo ( Vic ) for a few > >>days, I did a lot of my growing up there and then a cruise around after > >>the > >>show. Looking forward to seeing the people I know and the new friends I > >>will make. > >> Regards Cam > >>Cam and Edwina Grundy > >> Kariong > >> Gosford 2250 > >> Australia > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Mar 4 03:01:05 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 22:01:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl In-Reply-To: <005c01c52052$98081200$933354d2@Cam> Message-ID: <200503041101.j24B14n8014768@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I hope you all have a great time at the National. Sadly I am one of the many who is not going to get there :( Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Well Folks we will be leaving for the National ( Narracorte ) tomorrow morning and will be off line for 2 weeks as I am pulling the caravan and making a holiday of it also. I plan to stay at Bendigo ( Vic ) for a few days, I did a lot of my growing up there and then a cruise around after the show. Looking forward to seeing the people I know and the new friends I will make. Regards Cam Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford 2250 Australia From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Fri Mar 4 03:33:14 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 22:33:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl References: <200503041101.j24B14n8014768@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <002e01c520ad$f48c8cd0$153354d2@Cam> I'll have a good time for you Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:01 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl >I hope you all have a great time at the National. Sadly I am one of the >many > who is not going to get there :( > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > Well Folks we will be leaving for the National ( Narracorte ) tomorrow > morning and will be off line for 2 weeks as I am pulling the caravan and > making a holiday of it also. I plan to stay at Bendigo ( Vic ) for a few > days, I did a lot of my growing up there and then a cruise around after > the > show. Looking forward to seeing the people I know and the new friends I > will make. > Regards Cam > Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford 2250 > Australia > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Mar 4 03:33:08 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:33:08 +0800 Subject: [SEL] club badges.....can you help? References: Message-ID: <002301c520ad$f55274e0$18b43dca@ogborneuah38i3> Peg .......I would really appreciate that . Unfortunately we have a ''Power Freak'' who has put out a laminated card board name tag as a badge. It is.............Peter Ogborne, Lot 108 , O"Connell Street ,Little Grove ,Albany , West Australia 6330 Thanks again Peg ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" To: Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:54 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] club badges.....can you help? > If you sned me your snail, I will send you a badge, like the ones I hand > out at Portland. > > Peg Pfeiffer > >>From: "peter ogborne" >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: >>Subject: [SEL] club badges.....can you help? >>Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:33:05 +0800 >> >>I am amongst a few of my fellow club members who are disgusted at the '' >>badge '' that we have . Can those of you who are able send me an image of >>your club badge of list. >>Thank you in anticipation. >>Peter Ogborne >>Little Grove ,Albany >>West Australia >>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >>jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Mar 4 03:35:01 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:35:01 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl References: <005101c52066$ec13c9c0$d02fd9cb@bethell1><01d701c52092$f1b656a0$933354d2@Cam> <005a01c520a7$be9d3c10$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <003b01c520ae$37c5b7b0$18b43dca@ogborneuah38i3> Hope you all have a great time , sorry not to be there . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Young" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl > Hope you blokes have a great time at the National. Kinda sorry now I'm > not > going - hopefully it'll be closer next time. John Rutherford dropped in > to > say g'day on the way through tonight after leaving his place this morning > at > 3:50am - I guess about a 1000km trip for him. We cranked up a few engines > (the Allan and the Olds 12hp - both started Ok which is a minor miracle > for > me), shared a few sherbets and told lots of storys (mostly true) before he > left for Cootamundra and eventually - next week - Naracoorte. > > > Michael Young > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cam grundy" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl > > >> OK Mate, I am coming home through Mildura I will get Russell's Phone No > off >> you then and look him up. Regards Cam. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Bethell" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 2:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl >> >> >> > Cam, I will catch you there. Leaving monday \, stopping near Horsham >> > for > a >> > few days. >> > regards >> > Jim Bethell >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: cam grundy >> > To: LISTMAIL >> > Date: Friday, 4 March 2005 11:52 >> > Subject: [SEL] OZ Nationa OTl >> > >> > >> >>Well Folks we will be leaving for the National ( Narracorte ) tomorrow >> >>morning and will be off line for 2 weeks as I am pulling the caravan >> >>and >> >>making a holiday of it also. I plan to stay at Bendigo ( Vic ) for a >> >>few >> >>days, I did a lot of my growing up there and then a cruise around after >> >>the >> >>show. Looking forward to seeing the people I know and the new friends >> >>I >> >>will make. >> >> Regards Cam >> >>Cam and Edwina Grundy >> >> Kariong >> >> Gosford 2250 >> >> Australia >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>SEL mailing list >> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 4 06:09:52 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:09:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net><005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com><6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com><4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <004c01c520c3$d63a8c80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > No Arnie, The reprint IS NOT Ed's. he sold it to someone. At that point > ownership traded hands. What the new owner does with the reprint is HIS > alone to decide. all this talk of ethics reminds me ............ Who might OWN a copy of Fred Eaglesmith's "Small Motors "in MP3 and would care to rip me a copy ? From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 07:18:22 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:18:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <004c01c520c3$d63a8c80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net> <004c01c520c3$d63a8c80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605030407185deaf946@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:09:52 -0600, kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > No Arnie, The reprint IS NOT Ed's. he sold it to someone. At that point > > ownership traded hands. What the new owner does with the reprint is HIS > > alone to decide. > > all this talk of ethics reminds me ............ > > Who might OWN a copy of Fred Eaglesmith's "Small Motors "in MP3 > and would care to rip me a copy ? Isn't MP3 a music file format?? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 4 07:26:08 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:26:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net><005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com><6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com><4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net><6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net> <004c01c520c3$d63a8c80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <008001c520ce$7e0907c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> And its not that I dont want to pay for it , I will trade files that I " own" > Who might OWN a copy of Fred Eaglesmith's "Small Motors "in MP3 > and would care to rip me a copy ? From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri Mar 4 07:42:17 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:42:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net><005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com><6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com><4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net><6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net><004c01c520c3$d63a8c80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <6f60251605030407185deaf946@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005401c520d0$bed56670$9235ef18@pengy> Perhaps its a ballad about Maytags sung by uncle Dave? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:09:52 -0600, kerogas at sbcglobal.net > wrote: >> >> > No Arnie, The reprint IS NOT Ed's. he sold it to someone. At that point >> > ownership traded hands. What the new owner does with the reprint is HIS >> > alone to decide. >> >> all this talk of ethics reminds me ............ >> >> Who might OWN a copy of Fred Eaglesmith's "Small Motors "in MP3 >> and would care to rip me a copy ? > > Isn't MP3 a music file format?? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Mar 4 08:02:57 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:02:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <6f60251605030407185deaf946@mail.gmail.com> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net> <004c01c520c3$d63a8c80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <6f60251605030407185deaf946@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <14633.165.206.180.118.1109952177.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Yes. MP3 - "music" or sound MPG/MPEG - "movie" JPG/JPEG - "graphic" or picture And the new format being discussed is BYB - "fun" or engine bilL > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:09:52 -0600, kerogas at sbcglobal.net > wrote: >> >> > No Arnie, The reprint IS NOT Ed's. he sold it to someone. At that >> point >> > ownership traded hands. What the new owner does with the reprint is >> HIS >> > alone to decide. >> >> all this talk of ethics reminds me ............ >> >> Who might OWN a copy of Fred Eaglesmith's "Small Motors "in MP3 >> and would care to rip me a copy ? > > Isn't MP3 a music file format?? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Mar 4 08:13:48 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:13:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <005401c520d0$bed56670$9235ef18@pengy> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net><005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com><6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com><4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net><6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net><004c01c520c3$d63a8c80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <6f60251605030407185deaf946@mail.gmail.com> <005401c520d0$bed56670$9235ef18@pengy> Message-ID: <14810.165.206.180.118.1109952828.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Heaven help us........................ earplugs, please?! > Perhaps its a ballad about Maytags sung by uncle Dave? > > Rick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:18 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question > > >> On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:09:52 -0600, kerogas at sbcglobal.net >> wrote: >>> >>> > No Arnie, The reprint IS NOT Ed's. he sold it to someone. At that >>> point >>> > ownership traded hands. What the new owner does with the reprint is >>> HIS >>> > alone to decide. >>> >>> all this talk of ethics reminds me ............ >>> >>> Who might OWN a copy of Fred Eaglesmith's "Small Motors "in MP3 >>> and would care to rip me a copy ? >> >> Isn't MP3 a music file format?? >> >> Peter > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 4 09:23:44 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:23:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net><005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com><6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com><4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net><6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net><004c01c520c3$d63a8c80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><6f60251605030407185deaf946@mail.gmail.com> <005401c520d0$bed56670$9235ef18@pengy> Message-ID: <001b01c520de$eb5a0120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Perhaps its a ballad about Maytags sung by uncle Dave? > No....... but at the end of it they run engines at a wake . I know a bunch of guys like that . http://www.rat.de/kuijsten/eaglesmith/utrecht.html From falcon at telenet.net Fri Mar 4 09:36:44 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:36:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition Message-ID: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> For interested folks here is a place that has the 26th edition of machinery's handbook online. It is a 269 MEG zip file so if your on dial-up it is a 16 hour download. Broadband should be much better. It was posted on a metalworking group. The site is kind of strange in that it will sometimes not come up, but the file is there. Just try it a couple times. http://www.spanburgh.com/files/Machinery's%20Handbook%2026th%20Edition.zip Steve Williams From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 10:32:03 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:32:03 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition In-Reply-To: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605030410321afd9020@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:36:44 -0500, Steve W. wrote: > For interested folks here is a place that has the 26th edition of > machinery's handbook online. It is a 269 MEG zip file so if your on > dial-up it is a 16 hour download. Broadband should be much better. It > was posted on a metalworking group. The site is kind of strange in that > it will sometimes not come up, but the file is there. > Just try it a couple times. > > http://www.spanburgh.com/files/Machinery's%20Handbook%2026th%20Edition.zip > > Steve Williams There are so many folks trying to get at it, the server keeps crashing! I'm on my fourth attempt, takes 1hr 20 mins on my broadband at work, but the first one was corrupt and the second two have failed about halfway through. Up to 170mb as I type.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From marvhed at ecenet.com Fri Mar 4 11:10:43 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:10:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition -OT In-Reply-To: <6f60251605030410321afd9020@mail.gmail.com> References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> <6f60251605030410321afd9020@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <35520.199.62.0.252.1109963443.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> got it the first try, about 20 min, works great!! thanks, marv in minn > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:36:44 -0500, Steve W. wrote: >> For interested folks here is a place that has the 26th edition of >> machinery's handbook online. It is a 269 MEG zip file so if your on >> dial-up it is a 16 hour download. Broadband should be much better. From falcon at telenet.net Fri Mar 4 11:42:04 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:42:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> <6f60251605030410321afd9020@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001c01c520f2$3ee50ca0$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> I'm not even going to try on the home machine. 50,666 dial-up. I'll wait till I can get to a faster machine. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:36:44 -0500, Steve W. wrote: > > For interested folks here is a place that has the 26th edition of > > machinery's handbook online. It is a 269 MEG zip file so if your on > > dial-up it is a 16 hour download. Broadband should be much better. It > > was posted on a metalworking group. The site is kind of strange in that > > it will sometimes not come up, but the file is there. > > Just try it a couple times. > > > > http://www.spanburgh.com/files/Machinery's%20Handbook%2026th%20Edition.zip > > > > Steve Williams > > There are so many folks trying to get at it, the server keeps crashing! > > I'm on my fourth attempt, takes 1hr 20 mins on my broadband at work, > but the first one was corrupt and the second two have failed about > halfway through. Up to 170mb as I type.... > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paul at semidiesel.com Fri Mar 4 12:08:38 2005 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:08:38 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <35520.199.62.0.252.1109963443.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Listerdiesel wrote: > I know that Paul Evans tried password protecting the access, but that > becomes an administrative nightmare and takes up time, so I think he > dropped it eventually. News to me, we never used it. Password protection on PDFs is easy to implement but pointless as has been pointed out. Personally I would not choose to use PDF anyway as it is a proprietary format I would have preferred Group 4 TIFF as an internationally agreed standard. However, most people seem to prefer PDF and they are the ones reading the things. We were never concerned about people copying as such, the idea was and is to make the info available. It was just that we were struggling to fund a free service and the museum was the loser with the system as it was. The current system of a one off fee has helped fund the server and buy new manuals, people who are stuck usually email and are still sent copies - typically about 20 manuals a day, increased work for us but at least we don't feel like idiots any more. Cheers Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date: 01/03/05 From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Fri Mar 4 12:54:33 2005 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:54:33 -0000 Subject: [SEL] What was your best engine trip Message-ID: <014c01c520fc$79a82fc0$129ae150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi all, I seem to be one of those people that lurks in the background , only passing coment once in a while,after reading what has been said on this subject I thought I would have a go. It was decided that in stead of talking about going on to the continet to show our engines that we would actually take the plunge and show engines several times at the show In Nunen ( which is in Holland) and thinking that they were really great time with very friendly people from all over mainland eurpoe and further afield. After doing this 2 or 3 time Nev Beaty persuaded me that I should really try going to states as they had some really wicked shows. So it was about this time last year that all the arrangments were made by Nev. We left the UK in time to be over the pond ta attend the Badger steam and gas show.First it was sorted to go to McConnell to see Curt and Becky Andre who had made all the necessary arrangments for us and allthe list members who were there, also Curt had arranged for us to exhibit a couple of his engines.( I think this could be the first time a Scots man and a English man participated). We were made to fell totally at home by the members of the list that were there that weekend, after which we stayed the night with Curt and Becky, then left for Portland. All the arrangments for the accomidation at Portland were made by Scott Harvey. On attending it was sorted so Nev exhibited an engine owned by Scott, I on the other hand registered Arnies bessemer ( another first in having Scotland represented at Portland later to become lake Portland) After meeting a lot of list members to many to mention with the possibility of missing someone out we were invited to join everyone at Decatur for the evening. I can only conclude by saying that my first trip over the pond was my best engine trip so far. See you latter Craig from sunny Scotland. P.S I hope to be back next year !!! From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Mar 4 13:00:09 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:00:09 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> <6f60251605030410321afd9020@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003601c520fd$27ce1880$8c9f0952@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:36:44 -0500, Steve W. wrote: > > For interested folks here is a place that has the 26th edition of > > machinery's handbook online. It is a 269 MEG zip file so if your on > > dial-up it is a 16 hour download. Broadband should be much better. It > > was posted on a metalworking group. The site is kind of strange in that > > it will sometimes not come up, but the file is there. > > Just try it a couple times. > > > > http://www.spanburgh.com/files/Machinery's%20Handbook%2026th%20Edition.zip > > Steve Williams > There are so many folks trying to get at it, the server keeps crashing! > I'm on my fourth attempt, takes 1hr 20 mins on my broadband at work, > but the first one was corrupt and the second two have failed about > halfway through. Up to 170mb as I type.... > Peter I have tried twice. My machine predicts a 2 hour download but the server gets reset about 2/3 the way through. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Mar 4 13:07:16 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:07:16 EST Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition Message-ID: <45.23525811.2f5a2804@aol.com> In a message dated 3/4/2005 3:06:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, falcon at telenet.net writes: << I'm not even going to try on the home machine. 50,666 dial-up. I'll wait till I can get to a faster machine. >> You can usually buy a used one for little or nothing. Has most data in the earlier versions that we use on a regular basis. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Mar 4 14:02:54 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:02:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Computer Problems Message-ID: <4228DB0E.4020502@fidnet.com> Can anyone offer some help? Last night I downloaded an update for Mozilla Firefox. This and thus far today I can't access the internet. I get a message "can't locate start.mozilla.org" or "can't locate fidnet.com (or whatever site I am trying to access)" I have tried IE as well as Opera and get the message "can't locate fidnet.com" even when I have accessed fidnet to download email with Mozilla Thunderbird. What do I need to do? Help! Gary -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From cjclem at sysim.net Fri Mar 4 14:16:01 2005 From: cjclem at sysim.net (Jack) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:16:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books Message-ID: <1109974561.4228de210a3b6@webmail.sysim.net> What do you folks think of the growing number of dealers, collectors, etc who are tearing, cutting individual pages or ads out of old books to maximise there $$$$$$ take on ebay??? Here are a few examples> 3 for Galloway, 3878583263, 3879206934, 3879209473, Witte,3878140590 There are usually many more but this is getting disgusting, clipping old original books for greed. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 14:42:04 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 22:42:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Computer Problems In-Reply-To: <4228DB0E.4020502@fidnet.com> References: <4228DB0E.4020502@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050304144252ff5061@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:02:54 -0600, Gary Epps wrote: > Can anyone offer some help? Last night I downloaded an update for > Mozilla Firefox. This and thus far today I can't access the internet. > I get a message "can't locate start.mozilla.org" or "can't locate > fidnet.com (or whatever site I am trying to access)" > > I have tried IE as well as Opera and get the message "can't locate > fidnet.com" even when I have accessed fidnet to download email with > Mozilla Thunderbird. > > What do I need to do? Help! > > Gary Somewhere in your PC there is a section called "Network & Dial-Up Connections". In there should be the dial-up connection that you use to access anything on the internet. If you are on DSL then most of it won't apply. The browsers need to know how to handle dial-up or other connections, and that section of your Operating System tells them how. Firefox doesn't have a lot in the Options section, but if they all fall over, it is a common point which should be in there. If you need to, look into the connection, right click it and click on properties and have a look through. Most of the stuff is pretty standard. DSL users don't need that at all as the system is already on, so don't go changing too much until you know what is broke. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 14:43:44 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 22:43:44 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books In-Reply-To: <1109974561.4228de210a3b6@webmail.sysim.net> References: <1109974561.4228de210a3b6@webmail.sysim.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160503041443db9994f@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:16:01 -0600, Jack wrote: > What do you folks think of the growing number of dealers, collectors, > etc who are tearing, cutting individual pages or ads out of old books > to maximise there $$$$$$ take on ebay??? Here are a few examples> 3 for > Galloway, 3878583263, 3879206934, 3879209473, Witte,3878140590 There > are usually many more but this is getting disgusting, clipping old > original books for greed. > Very much against it personally, but there is no law agin it.... As long as folks pay for the items, they will continue to destroy the books. It happens over here, there are a couple of dealers in France who regularly offer pages out of old publications with engine stuff on. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 14:46:12 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 22:46:12 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: References: <35520.199.62.0.252.1109963443.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605030414466a5398b7@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:08:38 -0000, Paul Evans wrote: > Listerdiesel wrote: > > > I know that Paul Evans tried password protecting the access, but that > > becomes an administrative nightmare and takes up time, so I think he > > dropped it eventually. > > News to me, we never used it. Apologies, I must have got hold of the wrong end of that discussion. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 4 14:49:42 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:49:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books References: <1109974561.4228de210a3b6@webmail.sysim.net> Message-ID: <001501c5210c$7535a020$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> There > are usually many more but this is getting disgusting, clipping old > original books for greed. I have really freaked out a couple of brass bike dweebs in the past it seems that it is very uncouth in the" upper orbit" of that clique , to ride your pre teen bike around for fun . Or maybe just mine eh ? "They are just too fragile and irreplacable " You could crash it .. Bwahahahaha . Its my book, its my engine , its my bike , if I want to tear out the pages and use it in the outhouse , bend the handlebars with a torch or ride it in an empty swimming pool . I will . Chuck Balyeat " I was going the fastest I ever went , and then , I just fell off " Halsey Knox From George_Best at adp.com Fri Mar 4 15:10:14 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:10:14 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF093570@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> The couple that I looked at were magazine ads. I think there is a difference between cutting out magazine ads or pages, and taking pages out of a book. While there are people who collect magazines and hate to see any magazine cut up there are valid reasons for doing so. Quite often the ad in a magazine is all that a buyer is interested in. There are also cases where the magazine cover was missing or other pages were missing which made the magazine not desirable to a collector. Books are different in that usually the entire book is on or related to any illustrations that may be found in the book, and the entire book would be of interest to a collector. Although I could see in cases where part of the book was in poor condition that harvesting good illustrations may be okay. WAIT George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jack > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 2:16 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books > > What do you folks think of the growing number of dealers, > collectors, etc who are tearing, cutting individual pages or > ads out of old books to maximise there $$$$$$ take on ebay??? > Here are a few examples> 3 for Galloway, 3878583263, > 3879206934, 3879209473, Witte,3878140590 There are usually > many more but this is getting disgusting, clipping old > original books for greed. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 4 15:20:02 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:20:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books In-Reply-To: <1109974561.4228de210a3b6@webmail.sysim.net> References: <1109974561.4228de210a3b6@webmail.sysim.net> Message-ID: Hi Jack, Cutting up the books only works as long as folks are willing to buy. It's the same thing with the brass theives who remove engine nameplates and sell those. I will never buy a nameplate. I don't want to encourage those bastards. See ya, Arnie On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Jack wrote: > What do you folks think of the growing number of dealers, collectors, > etc who are tearing, cutting individual pages or ads out of old books > to maximise there $$$$$$ take on ebay??? Here are a few examples> 3 for > Galloway, 3878583263, 3879206934, 3879209473, Witte,3878140590 There > are usually many more but this is getting disgusting, clipping old > original books for greed. From paul at semidiesel.com Fri Mar 4 15:33:21 2005 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 23:33:21 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <6f60251605030414466a5398b7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Listerdiesel wrote: > Apologies, I must have got hold of the wrong end of that discussion. Not a problem :-) Cheers Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date: 01/03/05 From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 4 15:50:28 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:50:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Friends of the Internal Fire Museum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Folks, One thing to be sure and check out on the Internal Fire website. Notice how easy it is to join the Friends of the Museum making a small tax-deductible contribution to the museum using PayPal. In addition to helping the museum improve its exhibits, you also then get access to all of the manuals, etc. in the on-line documentation collection. What a deal and soooo easy. Do it tonight!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Paul Evans wrote: > The current system of a one off fee has helped fund the server and buy > new manuals, people who are stuck usually email and are still sent > copies - typically about 20 manuals a day, increased work for > us but at least we don't feel like idiots any more. > > Cheers > Paul > > http://www.internalfire.com > Internal Fire, Museum of Power > Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales > Tel: 01239 811212 > > Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. > > -- From George_Best at adp.com Fri Mar 4 15:50:22 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:50:22 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF093588@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> > Cutting up the books only works as long as folks are willing to buy. > It's the same thing with the brass theives who remove engine > nameplates and sell those. I will never buy a nameplate. I > don't want to encourage those bastards. > > See ya, Arnie Arnie, Are you saying if you had a engine which was missing a nameplate that you wouldn't buy it ;-) Especially if it happened to have the correct serial number already on it :-) Never say never ;-) WAIT George From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri Mar 4 15:54:34 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:54:34 EST Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books, maybe OT, but, pertaining to old iron and such Message-ID: Hi cjclem, My thought is that if I own it, I don't need to ask your permission to dispose of it in any way I wish. You may, of course, be disgusted, but I doubt you know enough of my motivation to throw the word "greed" at me with any degree of accuracy and I am not even sure of your definition of the term "greed." What do you mean? Here's an example of a situation I'll have to soon face. I have some bound issues of a very early stationary engineer's monthly magazine. The binding is home made, and the magazines are in excellent condition. The full page ads for everything from automobiles to steam engine lubricants are interesting, and, I am sure, some are very "collectible" but they mean little to me as most of my collecting focus is in a slightly different direction. One day I mean to get rid of all of it. When I do, should I, a. Toss the stuff in the trash since it doesn't interest me? b. Offer it up as a collection on eBay, knowing it will sell, but not for much. c. Remove the binding, select those ads that are most likely to sell on eBay, and sell what I can page by page and then offer up the remainder as a pile of old stuff. I am inclined to do method "c." and use any gain I make to further my hobby interests. Entropy is our destiny. Kicking and screaming may slow it, but never stop it. Now, about greed. Just what do you mean? Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA In a message dated 3/4/2005 4:38:51 PM Central Standard Time, cjclem at sysim.net writes: What do you folks think of the growing number of dealers, collectors, etc who are tearing, cutting individual pages or ads out of old books to maximise there $$$$$$ take on ebay??? Here are a few examples> 3 for Galloway, 3878583263, 3879206934, 3879209473, Witte,3878140590 There are usually many more but this is getting disgusting, clipping old original books for greed. From paul at semidiesel.com Fri Mar 4 16:12:38 2005 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 00:12:38 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Sulzer Blast Injection Diesel In-Reply-To: <001c01c520f2$3ee50ca0$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: We have an interesting event at the museum on Easter Monday 28th March, I'll put some video and pics on the site afterwards. We were very lucky last year to acquire a 1912 Sulzer 25hp single cylinder air blast Diesel with less than 50 hours running time. The engine last ran in 1936 and was kept in a heated environment until removal last year. Working on it has been an absolute joy as it is in perfect condition, not a nut rounded off anywhere and everything comes apart as it should. The engine has now turned over on compressed air but we need new high pressure bottles before we can run for the first time. Starting air is 900 p.s.i and injection air 650 p.s.i. (no load) Plenty of work to be done yet to finish the "engine room" before Easter but it should all work ok. Pics at:- http://www.internalfire.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=49 Cheers Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date: 01/03/05 From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 4 16:22:44 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:22:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition In-Reply-To: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wow Steve, Someone spent a lot of time scanning that one fer sure,,, I think I only paid about $6.00 plus $4.00 shipping for my 1953 14th edition. It is 1911 pages with the index. I sure wouldn't bother printing out all those sheets of paper when there are books out there to buy. I just saw one for $5.50 and one for %9.50 at http://www.abebooks.com YES!!! REAL books. 8>)) Go get 'em. Alan Bowen --- "Steve W." wrote: > For interested folks here is a place that has the 26th edition of > machinery's handbook online. It is a 269 MEG zip file so if your on > dial-up it is a 16 hour download. Broadband should be much better. It > was posted on a metalworking group. The site is kind of strange in that > it will sometimes not come up, but the file is there. > Just try it a couple times. > http://www.spanburgh.com/files/Machinery's%20Handbook%2026th%20Edition.zip > > Steve Williams __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Fri Mar 4 16:25:14 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 08:25:14 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Computer Problems In-Reply-To: <4228DB0E.4020502@fidnet.com> References: <4228DB0E.4020502@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <4228FC6A.4060506@optusnet.com.au> Gary Epps wrote: > Can anyone offer some help? Last night I downloaded an update for > Mozilla Firefox. This and thus far today I can't access the internet. > I get a message "can't locate start.mozilla.org" or "can't locate > fidnet.com (or whatever site I am trying to access)" > > I have tried IE as well as Opera and get the message "can't locate > fidnet.com" even when I have accessed fidnet to download email with > Mozilla Thunderbird. > > What do I need to do? Help! > > Gary ========== I am having the same trouble, Gary. OK with OE and the original Mozilla, but I installed and only want to use the Mozilla sub-sets Firefox and Thunderbird, but they both report "Unable to access your Provider". I was able to do this when on dial-up, but no so with broadband. I tried my provider's support help-line, but they say they only support OE & IE. T'bird & F'fox only offer token help. Will be interested to learn more. Jack in Oz ========== From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Mar 4 16:34:05 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:34:05 EST Subject: [SEL] Natural Gas Leak Repair O.T. Message-ID: <7b.404961ef.2f5a587d@aol.com> Hi List, Yesterday, our local gas company were doing their periodic gas leak checks. They found the line going to our house was leaking. We had a similar problem about ten ago. In a matter of minutes, a repair crew arrived at my home. They hooked up an electronic sniffer and located where the line was located on my property and in the street. I was envisioning a trencher coming to dig up the leaking line. However, I was wrong. The house meter was disconnected and a temporary gas supply was connected to provide gas while they were working to get rid of the leak. The first thing after they dug up the area (about 3' x 3' x3') where my gas line interfaced with the street main was to heat the house line and pinch it with a hydraulic snubber. This action cutoff gas flow to the house. Next, the house line was cut about 6" from the pinched area. Then, the end of pipe connecting to the main was gas welded. A modified valve was then gas welded to the gas main. Somehow, the workers were able to insert a plastic line into the existing house gas line. This new line was sealed at the meter interface and connected to the modified valve. Then, this new line along with the modified valve was pressurized to leak check the new plastic line, meter interface, and new welded joint. Since the plastic line broke the electrical continuity between the gas main and the house line, a ground wire was installed from the old metal line and the gas main. The final tie in to the gas main was made through the modified valve. A cutting tool was inserted into the modified valve to drill through the welded joint to allow gas to flow through the new line. All this work was done on a pressurized system. Watching the gas personnel do this repair, reminded of a similar incident that happen many years ago when my grandfather had city water service installed. I recall that a similar device was used to hook up the service line to the water main. Instead of a welded valve, a saddle valve was installed on the water main in the street. Then, the workers drilled into the water main through the valve body. After penetrating the water main the drill was removed and the valve was closed. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Fri Mar 4 16:45:06 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:45:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re:BYB BRB - Update References: <20050303120236.74391.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> <422754B4.7010009@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <003b01c5211c$941ce650$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> You might think about checking in with our buddy Ted. He dosen't sound right. He and his have had a lot of problems and might be in need. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re:BYB BRB - Update > Tommy / Rick, > > In Richard's piece in the current GEM, I think he said something about > Wendel returning to GEN as a contributor. I thought he also said > something about the status / scope of the update to the bible. I don't > have my GEM handy... Would someone take a look? > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> I know an update is in the works. Whether it will be a complete >> reprint of the original or a supplemental update I haven't heard >> however. Either way, it will be something all of us need to have. >> >> >> >Rumor control has it that they are in the process of being >> >republished..possibly updated. >> > >> >Any truth to that and if so where are they available? >> > >> >RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.0 - Release Date: 3/2/2005 > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 4 16:45:28 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:45:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] 5hp Bulldog In-Reply-To: <3rr769$pbp82s@mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <20050305004529.90687.qmail@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi J.B. Try this link. http://www.planefacts.co.uk/engines/images/bulldog1_jpg.jpg I know it looks the same, but it works for me. I got the same result when I clicked on Rob's link. If my link doesn't work then go to http://www.planefacts.co.uk/engines/images/ and click on bulldog1_jpg.jpg That will get you there for sure. Alan Bowen --- jbcast at charter.net wrote: From: "Rob Skinner" > http://www.planefacts.co.uk/engines/images/bulldog1_jpg.jpg Rob, when I click on the link I get accused of being a thief and can't get any farther. J.B. __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 4 17:11:23 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:11:23 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books In-Reply-To: <1109974561.4228de210a3b6@webmail.sysim.net> Message-ID: <200503050111.j251BQZn042648@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > What do you folks think of the growing number of dealers, > collectors, etc who are tearing, cutting individual pages or > ads out of old books to maximise there $$$$$$ take on ebay??? Hi Jack, When I first started playing with engines I'd get all excited when I saw an ad for one of my engines. Then I stopped and thought about what the sellers were doing: mutilating historical artifacts so they could turn a quick buck. After that, I decided not to encourage such activity. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 4 17:18:45 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:18:45 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Was: Tearing up the Books Now: Brass bikes In-Reply-To: <001501c5210c$7535a020$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <200503050118.j251ImvP046030@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > I have really freaked out a couple of brass bike dweebs in the past > it seems that it is very uncouth in the" upper orbit" of that clique , > to ride your pre teen bike around for fun . Or maybe just mine eh ? > "They are just too fragile and irreplacable " You could crash it .. Hey Chuck, I didn't know you played with bikes that old. Whatcha ride? We got to visit a chap last year who had some bikes. Just sitting on it way up there in the sky was a scary experience. It certainly wasn't the sort of thing you'd want to lean over into an 80 mph curve. A no hander on the doubles is out of the question. Rob From jimjirik at earthlink.net Fri Mar 4 17:25:17 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:25:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB Message-ID: <410-220053651251730@earthlink.net> Thanks especially to George and Arnie for leading me to search for a copy of a book I didn't know existed until a few days ago. I started searching for a copy that day and found a BRB for $26.95! It was delivered today and is in excellent shape- can't tell that anyone had ever opened it! I'm new in this hobby and had NO IDEA how many different kinds of engines were out there. Looks like I have a lot to learn and see. Anyway, thanks again to all of you! Jim Jirik Bonner Springs, KS > [Original Message] > From: Jim Jirik > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 3/2/2005 10:11:04 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB/BRB > > Thanks to all of you leading me to the search, I just bought a BRB online for $26.95!!! I used my credit card so that if it is a hoax I can challenge the charge. I decided to opt for the $6.95 3-5 day shipping option so I'll let you all know if I get the real thing! > > Jim Jirik > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Croft > Sent: Mar 2, 2005 2:59 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB/BRB > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB/BRB > > > > I only have one copy. They are kinda spendy these days unless you get a > > deal. Mine was $160 on e-bay, and that seems to be about the going rate. > > For those of you looking for your first one check e-bay daily using > > keyword Wendel. That give the best results and sometimes you will find > > one in the wrong category. That can spell bargain. This is a must have > > book if you play with old engines. > > Jeff Allen > > I wish you guys wouldn't remind me of my past mistakes. > About 20 years ago I met an old man living in a dilapidated > (But Expensive) country house. The only room in the house > that was spotless was his workshop. > I kept in touch by telephone & after about 5 years he didn't > reply to the phone. > I wrote to him & a relative said that he had died. He had sold > all the machine tools but said that I could buy the contents of the > derilict wooden garage. > I spent the entire summer at Engine shows selling the gear to recover > my money. The stuff left which cost me nothing was > An open frame Royce Dynamo and brass ammeter marked with > the origional Royce works. (Pre Rolls Royce.about 1890} > American Gasoline Engines since 1872 (BYB) > Encyclopedia of American Farm Tractors > 150 Years of International Harvester > Encyclopedia of American Steam Traction Engines > > My regrets are I sold the Traction Engine book for a good price > (At the time,cheap now) & a Dutchman offered me so much for the > Dynamo that I sold it in a moment of need. > Are my remaining Wendel books worth much nowadays? > > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Mar 4 17:28:36 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:28:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sulzer Blast Injection Diesel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Paul, that's awesome! I'd sure like to see that one run! On Mar 4, 2005, at 7:12 PM, Paul Evans wrote: > We were very lucky last year to acquire a 1912 Sulzer 25hp single > cylinder air blast Diesel with > less than 50 hours running time. The engine last ran in 1936 and was > kept in a heated environment > until removal last year. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 4 17:36:45 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:36:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books In-Reply-To: <1109974561.4228de210a3b6@webmail.sysim.net> Message-ID: <20050305013645.9955.qmail@web31304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I know what you mean, Jack. Last summer I bought a 1919 Successful Farming magazine off EBay. I got the whole thing for about three bucks. There were at least four different ads for known gas engines plus two or three ads for engines that I had never heard of. So,, I grabbed my BPBB and waddaya know,,, Those companies weren't mentioned there either. Not even in the list of names in the back. Those older issues of magazines are getting harder to find whole now becuase folks are tearing them apart to make more money. I guess that is their right. Alan Bowen --- Jack wrote: > What do you folks think of the growing number of dealers, collectors, > etc who are tearing, cutting individual pages or ads out of old books > to maximise there $$$$$$ take on ebay??? Here are a few examples> 3 for > Galloway, 3878583263, 3879206934, 3879209473, Witte,3878140590 There > are usually many more but this is getting disgusting, clipping old > original books for greed. __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri Mar 4 18:42:10 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:42:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net><005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com><6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com><4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net><6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net><004c01c520c3$d63a8c80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><6f60251605030407185deaf946@mail.gmail.com><005401c520d0$bed56670$9235ef18@pengy> <001b01c520de$eb5a0120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <015c01c5212c$edf39b50$9235ef18@pengy> Ooh thats a great song!!! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question > > > >> Perhaps its a ballad about Maytags sung by uncle Dave? >> > > > No....... but at the end of it they run engines at a wake . > I know a bunch of guys like that . > > http://www.rat.de/kuijsten/eaglesmith/utrecht.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Mar 4 18:53:10 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:53:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books In-Reply-To: <1109974561.4228de210a3b6@webmail.sysim.net> References: <1109974561.4228de210a3b6@webmail.sysim.net> Message-ID: <42291F16.6080603@earthlink.net> Some people use old engines for planters. Fill the hopper with dirt and plant flowers. Damn shame, but they own it. Nuthin different about the books. Quite honestly, I am shit full of others telling me what to do with what I own. I purchase "collectable toys" on e-bay and give them to my grandson to play with. My choice, cause once I own it I can do whatever I want with it. Nunya!! Jeff Jack wrote: > What do you folks think of the growing number of dealers, collectors, >etc who are tearing, cutting individual pages or ads out of old books >to maximise there $$$$$$ take on ebay??? Here are a few examples> 3 for >Galloway, 3878583263, 3879206934, 3879209473, Witte,3878140590 There >are usually many more but this is getting disgusting, clipping old >original books for greed. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jbcast at charter.net Fri Mar 4 20:07:07 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 4:07:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 5hp Bulldog Message-ID: <3rrac5$nar6e5@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> > Try this link. > > http://www.planefacts.co.uk/engines/images/bulldog1_jpg.jpg > > I know it looks the same, but it works for me. I got the same result when I clicked on Rob's > link. > > If my link doesn't work then go to > > http://www.planefacts.co.uk/engines/images/ > > and click on > > bulldog1_jpg.jpg > > That will get you there for sure. > > Alan Bowen. > Alan, had to go to the second link, thanks. J.B. From galoway4 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 4 20:08:00 2005 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 22:08:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF093588@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Message-ID: <000c01c52138$ed7b4090$76aa9b18@jake> No.George . He prefers sticky fingers. To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 5:50 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Tearing up the Books > >> Cutting up the books only works as long as folks are willing to buy. >> It's the same thing with the brass theives who remove engine >> nameplates and sell those. I will never buy a nameplate. I >> don't want to encourage those bastards. >> >> See ya, Arnie > > Arnie, > > Are you saying if you had a engine which was missing a nameplate that > you wouldn't buy it ;-) Especially if it happened to have the correct > serial number already on it :-) > > Never say never ;-) > > WAIT George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Fri Mar 4 20:36:31 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 23:36:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition References: <20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003f01c5213c$e824b000$1c1117d1@net.telenet.net> True real books are out there, BUT there are a few advantages to having a digital copy as well as a paper copy. I like having a digital copy since I have computers in the house networked to the one in the shop. That is why I'm scanning in the parts books and service manuals that I have here since it is easier to look up and examine them on the screen. I hardly ever print out the books I have on the computer anyway, unless I need a page or two for specs or to diagram modifications. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition > Wow Steve, > > Someone spent a lot of time scanning that one fer sure,,, > I think I only paid about $6.00 plus $4.00 shipping for my 1953 14th edition. > It is 1911 pages with the index. I sure wouldn't bother printing out all those sheets of paper > when there are books out there to buy. > > I just saw one for $5.50 and one for %9.50 at > http://www.abebooks.com > > YES!!! REAL books. 8>)) > > Go get 'em. > > Alan Bowen > > --- "Steve W." wrote: > > > For interested folks here is a place that has the 26th edition of > > machinery's handbook online. It is a 269 MEG zip file so if your on > > dial-up it is a 16 hour download. Broadband should be much better. It > > was posted on a metalworking group. The site is kind of strange in that > > it will sometimes not come up, but the file is there. > > Just try it a couple times. > > > http://www.spanburgh.com/files/Machinery's%20Handbook%2026th%20Edition.zip > > > > Steve Williams > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Fri Mar 4 17:51:05 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 09:51:05 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books In-Reply-To: <1109974561.4228de210a3b6@webmail.sysim.net> References: <1109974561.4228de210a3b6@webmail.sysim.net> Message-ID: <42291089.4020104@optusnet.com.au> Jack wrote: > What do you folks think of the growing number of dealers, collectors, >etc who are tearing, cutting individual pages or ads out of old books >to maximise there $$$$$$ take on ebay??? Here are a few examples> 3 for >Galloway, 3878583263, 3879206934, 3879209473, Witte,3878140590 There >are usually many more but this is getting disgusting, clipping old >original books for greed. >================ > > It was put to me many years ago that we do not really "own" our old engines, cars, bikes, books etc. They are merely in our custody for the time being, and it behoves us to hand them on to the future custodians in at least as good condition as we received them. If I should choose to modify a machine, say to make a hotrod out of a 19xx Stutz Bearcat, I am perfectly free to do so, but I should keep the original bits for some later poor wretch who will have to undo all my machinations. Jack in Oz (P.S. I do not own a Stutz Bearcat!) ============== From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 23:48:31 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 07:48:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition In-Reply-To: <20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> <20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:22:44 -0800 (PST), Alan Bowen wrote: > Wow Steve, > > Someone spent a lot of time scanning that one fer sure,,, > I think I only paid about $6.00 plus $4.00 shipping for my 1953 14th edition. > It is 1911 pages with the index. I sure wouldn't bother printing out all those sheets of paper > when there are books out there to buy. > > I just saw one for $5.50 and one for %9.50 at > http://www.abebooks.com > > YES!!! REAL books. 8>)) > > Go get 'em. This is a copy of Machinery's own CD, not a home-made scan. We have 11th, 12th and 13th editions in the book, you can't take a CD to bed and read it! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Mar 5 01:39:39 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:39:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Oz Auction Report Message-ID: <200503050939.j259dbnR096413@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Ron Sullivan and I went for a little day trip today to attend an auction down in Wagga Wagga. I left at 3.30am and arrived home at 8.00pm after covering 900km. The weather was pretty poor but there was a big turn up of bidders on the fairly good range of engines offered. After looking over the engines I did notice one sad thing: many of the engines had suffered some damage in being transported to the auction site! There was a Famous with a newly snapped Webster bracket, an engine with a broken transporter wheel (from being dropped, most likely) and all sorts of other minor damage :( Here are some of the engines at the Auction with some results (note: my prices are at the fall of the hammer and do not include the 11% buyers premium) Tangye (portable, 95% complete) $2050 Hornsby Gas Engine (99% complete) $2000 Bentall 4hp vertical (restored) $1500 8hp Famous with transport and stationary base(90% complete, some broken parts) $2800 10hp IHC M portable (95% complete) $1700 Lister N $800 15hp McDonald $1250 6hp IHC M (restored) $950 5hp Emu (throttle-governed Hercules) $900 3hp IHC M (low tension) $420 Ronnie N 2hp $50 Alfa Laval 2hp (Ronnie N) $90 Petter Apple Top (incomplete, poor condition) $320 Palmer Marine $140 Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Mar 5 04:00:19 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:00:19 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net><20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008a01c5217a$eb303920$c9b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> I get by very well with my 21st edition of Machinery's Hand book, going through my collection i have Engineering Workshop Data by Arthur W Judge 1947, Fowlers Mechanics and Machinists Pocket Book 1961, Fowlers Mechanical Engineers Pocket Book1961 and The Practical Engineer Pocket Book and Diary 1913 ,the latter was purchased in Tyrrell's Bookshop in Sydney for 2/6 Interested to hear of any other old books.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:22:44 -0800 (PST), Alan Bowen > wrote: >> Wow Steve, >> >> Someone spent a lot of time scanning that one fer sure,,, >> I think I only paid about $6.00 plus $4.00 shipping for my 1953 14th >> edition. >> It is 1911 pages with the index. I sure wouldn't bother printing out all >> those sheets of paper >> when there are books out there to buy. >> >> I just saw one for $5.50 and one for %9.50 at >> http://www.abebooks.com >> >> YES!!! REAL books. 8>)) >> >> Go get 'em. > > This is a copy of Machinery's own CD, not a home-made scan. > > We have 11th, 12th and 13th editions in the book, you can't take a CD > to bed and read it! :-)) > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 5 05:57:30 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:57:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books In-Reply-To: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF093588@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF093588@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Message-ID: Hi George, Gee, that's an easy one. My serial number huh? I'd shoot the friggin' thief and take back the nameplate!! Then probably shoot 'em again for good measure. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, George Best wrote: > Are you saying if you had a engine which was missing a nameplate that > you wouldn't buy it ;-) Especially if it happened to have the correct > serial number already on it :-) From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 5 06:27:13 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:27:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB In-Reply-To: <410-220053651251730@earthlink.net> References: <410-220053651251730@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Jim, Ahhhhh, welcome to the subtle pleasures of this incredible hobby. When you come right down to it, the "basics" are really simple. You need to provide a suitable mixture of fuel and air, usually under compression, provide a means to ignite it, provide a means to transfer that released energy to other equipment to do useful work, and provide a means of regulating the whole works. The joy and delight in the hobby is in discovering all of the mind-boggling ways that creative engine men devised to accomplish those basics. In some cases a wildly different approach was the result of creative engineering, sometimes the result of chewing on "magic" mushrooms, and sometimes just looking for SOME way to get around the other guy's patents and make a quick buck. Some of these companies were very successful and very prolific (think the IHC "M" and the Hercules / Economy lines). Other companies made a handful of engines and folded. As you start out, everything is wildly different and exciting. As the years pass and your "shows attended" grows into the hundreds, your eye sharpens. Many engines you've seen hundreds of examples of. What catches your eye is now the odd variation on the familiar, maybe a clever "farmer's repair", maybe a neat display of driven equipment and literature, maybe the look of flushed excitement of a "first time" exhibitor, and every so often, the incredible rush that comes with "What the HELL is THAT engine????" One thing I've learned at this point is that there is SOOOOOO much more to learn!!! We'll NEVER see 'em all. And this brings me to the next point. I think you were warned earlier that these damn things start to multiply in your engine shed. As you read and reread your BYB, take notice of how many times you say "Wow, isn't THAT engine neat. I'd love to have one of THOSE!" heh-heh-heh. Your collection will grow as your funds and space permit. ENJOY!!! See ya, Arnie PS - Oh, lest I forget to mention it, perhaps the greatest pleasure in this hobby is getting to meet and know other like-minded folks. And one of the very best places to do THAT is at Portland!! Be there! 8-)) Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_Ah at city-net.com On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Jim Jirik wrote: > Thanks especially to George and Arnie for leading me to search for a copy > of a book I didn't know existed until a few days ago. I started searching > for a copy that day and found a BRB for $26.95! It was delivered today and > is in excellent shape- can't tell that anyone had ever opened it! I'm new > in this hobby and had NO IDEA how many different kinds of engines were out > there. Looks like I have a lot to learn and see. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat Mar 5 06:44:55 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 15:44:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Oz Auction Report References: <200503050939.j259dbnR096413@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001f01c52191$e5f17bb0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Patrick, if I had be there the 10 M was mine :o)) John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Ron Sullivan and I went for a little day trip today to attend an auction > down in Wagga Wagga. I left at 3.30am and arrived home at 8.00pm after > covering 900km. > The weather was pretty poor but there was a big turn up of bidders on the > fairly good range of engines offered. After looking over the engines I did > notice one sad thing: many of the engines had suffered some damage in being > transported to the auction site! There was a Famous with a newly snapped > Webster bracket, an engine with a broken transporter wheel (from being > dropped, most likely) and all sorts of other minor damage :( > Here are some of the engines at the Auction with some results (note: my > prices are at the fall of the hammer and do not include the 11% buyers > premium) > > Tangye (portable, 95% complete) $2050 > Hornsby Gas Engine (99% complete) $2000 > Bentall 4hp vertical (restored) $1500 > 8hp Famous with transport and stationary base(90% complete, some broken > parts) $2800 > 10hp IHC M portable (95% complete) $1700 > Lister N $800 > 15hp McDonald $1250 > 6hp IHC M (restored) $950 > 5hp Emu (throttle-governed Hercules) $900 > 3hp IHC M (low tension) $420 > Ronnie N 2hp $50 > Alfa Laval 2hp (Ronnie N) $90 > Petter Apple Top (incomplete, poor condition) $320 > Palmer Marine $140 > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Mar 5 08:10:34 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:10:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net><20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com> <008a01c5217a$eb303920$c9b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <019601c5219d$dcf14a70$9235ef18@pengy> The technical library of the Tod Engine Foundation has at least a hundred or more engineering textbooks dating back to an 1893 edition of Applied Mechanics up to more modern stuff through the forties. After WWII the collections thins out some. I've been frequenting every flea market and antique mall that I can find. Rarely do I leave without one or more old books under my arm. Of course there is also a health selection of Lindsay's books. Its funny that none of what is in our library duplicates any of what he reprints. Also I rarely find duplicates in antique malls, there are always different texts to find. Everybody must have been publishing technical books in the first half of the 20th century! We also have a 21st edition and 7th edition of the Machinery's Handbook. Both are indespensible since they do have some different information in each. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition >I get by very well with my 21st edition of Machinery's Hand book, going >through my collection i have Engineering Workshop Data by Arthur W Judge >1947, Fowlers Mechanics and Machinists Pocket Book 1961, Fowlers Mechanical >Engineers Pocket Book1961 and The Practical Engineer Pocket Book and Diary >1913 ,the latter was purchased in Tyrrell's Bookshop in Sydney for 2/6 > Interested to hear of any other old books.... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 3:48 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition > > >> On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:22:44 -0800 (PST), Alan Bowen >> wrote: >>> Wow Steve, >>> >>> Someone spent a lot of time scanning that one fer sure,,, >>> I think I only paid about $6.00 plus $4.00 shipping for my 1953 14th >>> edition. >>> It is 1911 pages with the index. I sure wouldn't bother printing out >>> all those sheets of paper >>> when there are books out there to buy. >>> >>> I just saw one for $5.50 and one for %9.50 at >>> http://www.abebooks.com >>> >>> YES!!! REAL books. 8>)) >>> >>> Go get 'em. >> >> This is a copy of Machinery's own CD, not a home-made scan. >> >> We have 11th, 12th and 13th editions in the book, you can't take a CD >> to bed and read it! :-)) >> >> Peter >> -- >> Peter A Forbes >> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From solarrog at pacbell.net Sat Mar 5 08:35:25 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:35:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net><20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com><008a01c5217a$eb303920$c9b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <019601c5219d$dcf14a70$9235ef18@pengy> Message-ID: <00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343@D6R3D961> I tried down loading the hand book a couple times, both times my computer said the files were corrupt, and would no open them. Did anyone else have this problem? Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition > The technical library of the Tod Engine Foundation has at least a hundred > or more engineering textbooks dating back to an 1893 edition of Applied > Mechanics up to more modern stuff through the forties. After WWII the > collections thins out some. I've been frequenting every flea market and > antique mall that I can find. Rarely do I leave without one or more old > books under my arm. Of course there is also a health selection of > Lindsay's books. Its funny that none of what is in our library duplicates > any of what he reprints. Also I rarely find duplicates in antique malls, > there are always different texts to find. Everybody must have been > publishing technical books in the first half of the 20th century! > > We also have a 21st edition and 7th edition of the Machinery's Handbook. > Both are indespensible since they do have some different information in > each. > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Engine Heritage Park > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > http://www.todengine.org/ > Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 7:00 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition > > >>I get by very well with my 21st edition of Machinery's Hand book, going >>through my collection i have Engineering Workshop Data by Arthur W Judge >>1947, Fowlers Mechanics and Machinists Pocket Book 1961, Fowlers >>Mechanical Engineers Pocket Book1961 and The Practical Engineer Pocket >>Book and Diary 1913 ,the latter was purchased in Tyrrell's Bookshop in >>Sydney for 2/6 >> Interested to hear of any other old books.... >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Listerdiesel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 3:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition >> >> >>> On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:22:44 -0800 (PST), Alan Bowen >>> wrote: >>>> Wow Steve, >>>> >>>> Someone spent a lot of time scanning that one fer sure,,, >>>> I think I only paid about $6.00 plus $4.00 shipping for my 1953 14th >>>> edition. >>>> It is 1911 pages with the index. I sure wouldn't bother printing out >>>> all those sheets of paper >>>> when there are books out there to buy. >>>> >>>> I just saw one for $5.50 and one for %9.50 at >>>> http://www.abebooks.com >>>> >>>> YES!!! REAL books. 8>)) >>>> >>>> Go get 'em. >>> >>> This is a copy of Machinery's own CD, not a home-made scan. >>> >>> We have 11th, 12th and 13th editions in the book, you can't take a CD >>> to bed and read it! :-)) >>> >>> Peter >>> -- >>> Peter A Forbes >>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 08:55:56 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:55:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition In-Reply-To: <019601c5219d$dcf14a70$9235ef18@pengy> References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> <20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com> <008a01c5217a$eb303920$c9b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <019601c5219d$dcf14a70$9235ef18@pengy> Message-ID: <6f602516050305085517760233@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:10:34 -0500, Tod Engine wrote: > The technical library of the Tod Engine Foundation has at least a hundred or > more engineering textbooks dating back to an 1893 edition of Applied > Mechanics up to more modern stuff through the forties. After WWII the > collections thins out some. I've been frequenting every flea market and > antique mall that I can find. Rarely do I leave without one or more old > books under my arm. Of course there is also a health selection of Lindsay's > books. Its funny that none of what is in our library duplicates any of what > he reprints. Also I rarely find duplicates in antique malls, there are > always different texts to find. Everybody must have been publishing > technical books in the first half of the 20th century! > > We also have a 21st edition and 7th edition of the Machinery's Handbook. > Both are indespensible since they do have some different information in > each. > > Rick Rowlands I think that old technical books are a damm good investment, especially the sets of bound volumes from the late 1800's and the early 1900's. Old data are no longer listed in many new issues, and while Lindsay does a good job on reprinting smaller books, they haven't done anything really large that I know of. Almost any book by Arthur W Judge is worth latching on to, and most of the book sets published by Caxton, Newnes, Odhams and Pitmans printers/publishers are all very good value for money as folks clear out their old bookshelves. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From George_Best at adp.com Sat Mar 5 08:57:35 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:57:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] BYB/BRB Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF0935A7@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> > Thanks especially to George and Arnie for leading me to > search for a copy of a book I didn't know existed until a few > days ago. I started searching for a copy that day and found > a BRB for $26.95! It was delivered today and is in excellent > shape- can't tell that anyone had ever opened it! Jim, Getting a BYB/BRB for less than original price is about like getting an engine for less than original price. It still happens occasionally, but is pretty rare. You did good!! WAIT George From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 08:57:49 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:57:49 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition In-Reply-To: <00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343@D6R3D961> References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> <20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com> <008a01c5217a$eb303920$c9b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <019601c5219d$dcf14a70$9235ef18@pengy> <00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <6f60251605030508571f46de5f@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:35:25 -0800, Roger DiRuscio wrote: > I tried down loading the hand book a couple times, both times my computer > said the files were corrupt, and would no open them. Did anyone else have > this problem? > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts I ended up with all of it except one file, and that is coming through a friend. The biggest problem seemed to be the length of the download and the individual section files getting corrupted. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From peter at loud-n-clear.net Sat Mar 5 09:24:23 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:24:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Roger DiRuscio In-Reply-To: <00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343@D6R3D961> References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> <20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com> <008a01c5217a$eb303920$c9b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <019601c5219d$dcf14a70$9235ef18@pengy> <00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343@D6R3D961> Message-ID: Hi Roger In message <00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343 at D6R3D961>, Roger DiRuscio writes >I tried down loading the hand book a couple times, both times my >computer said the files were corrupt, and would no open them. Did >anyone else have this problem? If you are really stuck, I could burn you a CD and post it, if you don't get an offer from anyone closer. Let me have your postal address if you need to. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 5 09:53:59 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:53:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net><005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com><6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com><4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net><6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net><004c01c520c3$d63a8c80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><6f60251605030407185deaf946@mail.gmail.com><005401c520d0$bed56670$9235ef18@pengy><001b01c520de$eb5a0120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <015c01c5212c$edf39b50$9235ef18@pengy> Message-ID: <00a301c521ac$4f984d40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > > > No....... but at the end of it they run engines at a wake . > > I know a bunch of guys like that . http://www.rat.de/kuijsten/eaglesmith/utrecht.html > Ooh thats a great song!!! <<<>>>>> And you would be one of them no doubt . So Arnold , which engines shall we run at your wake when this nametag thief takes your pistol away and beats you to death with it ? The Bessemer perhaps ? Chuck From peter at loud-n-clear.net Sat Mar 5 10:42:02 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:42:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Roger DiRuscio Message-ID: Sorry people - that should have been private. Finger trouble with the cut-n-paste :-( Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From solarrog at pacbell.net Sat Mar 5 10:46:54 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:46:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Roger DiRuscio References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net><20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com><008a01c5217a$eb303920$c9b53dca@ogborneuah38i3><019601c5219d$dcf14a70$9235ef18@pengy><00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <009001c521b3$b56c3f80$af0c7643@D6R3D961> Thanks Peter, but if its working for others, I must have a computer issue that needs addressing right now. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Scales" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 9:24 AM Subject: [SEL] Roger DiRuscio > Hi Roger > > In message <00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343 at D6R3D961>, Roger DiRuscio > writes >>I tried down loading the hand book a couple times, both times my computer >>said the files were corrupt, and would no open them. Did anyone else have >>this problem? > > If you are really stuck, I could burn you a CD and post it, if you don't > get an offer from anyone closer. Let me have your postal address if you > need to. > > Regards > > Pete > -- > Peter Scales > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Mar 5 11:15:40 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:15:40 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Tearing up the Books References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF093588@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Message-ID: <001001c521b7$b9cc6880$8c9f0952@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 1:57 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Tearing up the Books > Hi George, > Gee, that's an easy one. My serial number huh? I'd shoot the friggin' > thief and take back the nameplate!! Then probably shoot 'em again for > good measure. ya, Arnie > Arnie Fero > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, George Best wrote: > > Are you saying if you had a engine which was missing a nameplate that > > you wouldn't buy it ;-) Especially if it happened to have the correct > > serial number already on it :-) Hi Arnie, about 25 years ago I bought a Dorman AB1 single cylinder hopper cooled petrol engine.(Very rare but not very attractive). It came from an Aveling Barford cable hauled ditch digging machine I found under a Barn. 10 years later I mentioned this engine at a club meeting & said that I couldn't date it because all that remained of the engines brass plate was just one corner still riveted on. At the next meeting I was given a Dorman plate with that corner missing. The chap ( Then in his 40's) had stolen it from the machine when he was 11 years old. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat Mar 5 12:11:12 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 20:11:12 +0000 Subject: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net><005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com><6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com><4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net><6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net><004c01c520c3$d63a8c80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><6f60251605030407185deaf946@mail.gmail.com><005401c520d0$bed56670$9235ef18@pengy><001b01c520de$eb5a0120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <015c01c5212c$edf39b50$9235ef18@pengy> <00a301c521ac$4f984d40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <422A1260.13C0BC55@insulate.co.uk> Hi Chuck Arnie says he plans to live forever. If he plans on running the Bessemer at his wake, he'd better keep his word. Dolly kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: > > So Arnold , which engines shall we run at your wake > when this nametag thief takes your pistol away and > beats you to death with it ? The Bessemer perhaps ? > Chuck > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From falcon at telenet.net Sat Mar 5 12:11:33 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 15:11:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Roger DiRuscio References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net><20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com><008a01c5217a$eb303920$c9b53dca@ogborneuah38i3><019601c5219d$dcf14a70$9235ef18@pengy><00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343@D6R3D961> <009001c521b3$b56c3f80$af0c7643@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <000b01c521bf$87815f40$595c14d0@net.telenet.net> Last time I looked the bandwidth had been exceeded. Not that it matters to me. On dial up I am not even going to try downloading it. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger DiRuscio" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Roger DiRuscio > Thanks Peter, but if its working for others, I must have a computer issue > that needs addressing right now. > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts > Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc > Collector of antique engines > Fremont,Ca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Scales" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 9:24 AM > Subject: [SEL] Roger DiRuscio > > > > Hi Roger > > > > In message <00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343 at D6R3D961>, Roger DiRuscio > > writes > >>I tried down loading the hand book a couple times, both times my computer > >>said the files were corrupt, and would no open them. Did anyone else have > >>this problem? > > > > If you are really stuck, I could burn you a CD and post it, if you don't > > get an offer from anyone closer. Let me have your postal address if you > > need to. > > > > Regards > > > > Pete > > -- > > Peter Scales > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sat Mar 5 12:12:43 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 07:12:43 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net><20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com><008a01c5217a$eb303920$c9b53dca@ogborneuah38i3><019601c5219d$dcf14a70$9235ef18@pengy> <00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <005701c521bf$b10a7590$2da7ecdc@morris> G'Day Roger I down loaded it first go took 1.5 hrs on broardband, as Peter said it is the CD version. I have not seen the book before as was blown away with its content. Kerry PS. with out starting the ethics thing again I do find it strange with all the posts on both lists about someone having his copy on his web page that someone had stamped and sells but no one has any problem with downloading this. >I tried down loading the hand book a couple times, both times my computer >said the files were corrupt, and would no open them. Did anyone else have >this problem? > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 5 11:37:18 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:37:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Brass bikes References: <200503050118.j251ImvP046030@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <011101c521ba$be4a4820$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Hey Chuck, > I didn't know you played with bikes that old. Whatcha ride? We got to visit a > chap last year who had some bikes. Just sitting on it way up there in the sky > was a scary experience. It certainly wasn't the sort of thing you'd want to > lean over into an 80 mph curve. A no hander on the doubles is out of the > question. > > Rob A shaw -a merkel-- and a 45 bobber 1912 , 1914, respectively , the 45 is a mongrel of WW2 army surplus parts with a G motor and tranny (reverse...weeeee! ) I "ride " an evo sporty chopper , and a KX 125 , the bobber is next on my list , and Im geting antsy Anybody got a pair of 16" starhub wheels ? I need to get the 18"s off as they have brand new 60 YO goodyears on em right now . Got em way back before this stuff was cool (pre eBay ! $$ ) . They are destined to land on a trailer queen with more bread than I . I have to ponder ........... Would it be good or bad if all the yuppies sold their evos and bought IHC LB's , John deere E's , and hog oiler collections ? Chuck From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 5 13:15:08 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:15:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition In-Reply-To: <005701c521bf$b10a7590$2da7ecdc@morris> References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net><20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com><008a01c5217a$eb303920$c9b53dca@ogborneuah38i3><019601c5219d$dcf14a70$9235ef18@pengy> <00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343@D6R3D961> <005701c521bf$b10a7590$2da7ecdc@morris> Message-ID: G'day Kerry, If that's the CD version, I'll bet there's a copyright statement that everyone is violating. 8-)) My guess is that the good folks at Industrial Press wouldn't be happy. http://www.industrialpress.com/en/mh.asp See ya, Arnie On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, Kerry wrote: > PS. with out starting the ethics thing again I do find it strange with all > the posts on both lists about someone having his copy on his web page that > someone had stamped and sells but no one has any problem with downloading > this. Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 5 13:17:19 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:17:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] RE : Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <422A1260.13C0BC55@insulate.co.uk> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net><005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com><6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com><4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net><6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net><004c01c520c3$d63a8c80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><6f60251605030407185deaf946@mail.gmail.com><005401c520d0$bed56670$9235ef18@pengy><001b01c520de$eb5a0120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <015c01c5212c$edf39b50$9235ef18@pengy> <00a301c521ac$4f984d40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <422A1260.13C0BC55@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Ohhhhh, Dolly's in a MOOD Dolly is!! Cheeky too!! On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Jim French wrote: > Arnie says he plans to live forever. If he plans on running the > Bessemer at his wake, he'd better keep his word. > Dolly From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat Mar 5 14:28:56 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 22:28:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Sulzer Blast Injection Diesel References: Message-ID: <422A32A7.491C6BD9@insulate.co.uk> Hi Paul Paul Evans wrote: > > > We were very lucky last year to acquire a 1912 Sulzer 25hp single cylinder air blast Diesel I remember you showing me and Arnie the Sulzer last year, I bet it looks a lot bigger now it's back together on a block of concrete in a new room !!! > > Working on it has been an absolute joy as it is in perfect condition, not a nut rounded off anywhere > and everything comes apart as it should. I don't reckon there's another engine that old that has only run such few hours > > Plenty of work to be done yet to finish the "engine room" before Easter but it should all work ok. > Paul the amount of work that you, Hazel and ( I've forgotten his name ) get through is mindboggling!!!. I can't imagine the work involved in piping up all the air,fuel,cooling and exhaust in the new room - Oh and a new floor, roof doors etc !!!!! Truly IMPRESSIVE. See Ya Jim P.S Hopefully see you soon > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 14:32:36 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 22:32:36 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition In-Reply-To: <005701c521bf$b10a7590$2da7ecdc@morris> References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net> <20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com> <008a01c5217a$eb303920$c9b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <019601c5219d$dcf14a70$9235ef18@pengy> <00ae01c521a1$568846b0$996b7343@D6R3D961> <005701c521bf$b10a7590$2da7ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <6f602516050305143233abdab5@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 07:12:43 +1100, Kerry wrote: > G'Day Roger > > I down loaded it first go took 1.5 hrs on broardband, as Peter said it is > the CD version. I have not seen the book before as was blown away with its > content. > > Kerry > > PS. with out starting the ethics thing again I do find it strange with all > the posts on both lists about someone having his copy on his web page that > someone had stamped and sells but no one has any problem with downloading > this. It's a valid thought.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From falcon at telenet.net Sat Mar 5 16:22:16 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:22:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition References: <008901c520e0$c3533320$5f1117d1@net.telenet.net><20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6f6025160503042348a30605f@mail.gmail.com><008a01c5217a$eb303920$c9b53dca@ogborneuah38i3><019601c5219d$dcf14a70$9235ef18@pengy> <6f602516050305085517760233@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002301c521e2$959f55a0$101117d1@net.telenet.net> http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/ Has a lot of older books listed. They are in different formats but some interesting titles there. Lots of reading if you have the time. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition > On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:10:34 -0500, Tod Engine > wrote: > > The technical library of the Tod Engine Foundation has at least a hundred or > > more engineering textbooks dating back to an 1893 edition of Applied > > Mechanics up to more modern stuff through the forties. After WWII the > > collections thins out some. I've been frequenting every flea market and > > antique mall that I can find. Rarely do I leave without one or more old > > books under my arm. Of course there is also a health selection of Lindsay's > > books. Its funny that none of what is in our library duplicates any of what > > he reprints. Also I rarely find duplicates in antique malls, there are > > always different texts to find. Everybody must have been publishing > > technical books in the first half of the 20th century! > > > > We also have a 21st edition and 7th edition of the Machinery's Handbook. > > Both are indespensible since they do have some different information in > > each. > > > > Rick Rowlands > > I think that old technical books are a damm good investment, > especially the sets of bound volumes from the late 1800's and the > early 1900's. > > Old data are no longer listed in many new issues, and while Lindsay > does a good job on reprinting smaller books, they haven't done > anything really large that I know of. > > Almost any book by Arthur W Judge is worth latching on to, and most of > the book sets published by Caxton, Newnes, Odhams and Pitmans > printers/publishers are all very good value for money as folks clear > out their old bookshelves. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Sat Mar 5 16:56:23 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:56:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Some other books available for download. Message-ID: <002301c521e7$51ea51c0$101117d1@net.telenet.net> http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/ http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/preservation/index.html Have a lot of older books listed. They are in different formats but some interesting titles there. Lots of reading if you have the time. As an example or two http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/gutbook/lookup?num=7969 Oxy-Acetylene Welding and Cutting: Electric, Forge and Thermit Welding, Together with Related Methods and Materials Used in Metal Working and The Oxygen Process for Removal of Carbon http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/preservation/smithy/cover.htm Modern Blacksmithing, RATIONAL HORSE SHOEING AND WAGON MAKING http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/gutbook/lookup?num=6598 The American Woman's Home, or, Principles of Domestic Science http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/gutbook/lookup?num=3691 Little Wars: A Game for Boys From Twelve Years of Age to One Hundred and Fifty and for That More Intelligent Sort of Girl Who Likes Boys' Games and Books; With an Appendix on Kriegspiel Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 5 17:57:01 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:57:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] a new look.....sorta Message-ID: <005c01c521ef$ca1373e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> http://royalcrossfarm.com/electrolysis.htm http://royalcrossfarm.com/BOZZCOIL.htm A new look coming on , angelfire is soooo lame . I gotta get that all redirected and pretend it never happened Chuck From bboyce at swat.coop Sat Mar 5 18:49:09 2005 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:49:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] ZD bearings Message-ID: <003401c521f7$12fe1f90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> hello all,, my son is rebuilding a ZD for a neighbor and has run into a problem,,, new crank bearings were ordered from hit and miss, but there is no way to prevent them from turning in the bores,,,,, it looks like the original bearings had a tab on the inside lip that meshed with a notch in the brearing cap to prevent them from spinning,,,,,has anyone run into this problem? and what was done to correct it ? i;m going to call Ed monday, but thought i mite get some ideas here too,,,, thanks in advance for any help. bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Mar 5 19:48:00 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 22:48:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maxwell Auction in Bluffton, IN Message-ID: <422A7D70.6060306@scrtc.com> Did anyone attend the Maxwell auction in Bluffton, IN today? I was interested in items 155 (Perkins upright model) and 157 (Harvard Stickney model) and was curious what they brought. I had to stay in KY for a funeral. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Mar 5 20:05:05 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:05:05 -0800 Subject: [SEL] ZD bearings Message-ID: <20050305.200507.1564.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Bill. Would Loctite work? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:49:09 -0600 "Bill Boyce" writes: > hello all,, my son is rebuilding a ZD for a neighbor and has run into > a problem,,, new crank bearings were ordered from hit and miss, but > there is no way to prevent them from turning in the bores,,,,, it > looks like the original bearings had a tab on the inside lip that > meshed with a notch in the brearing cap to prevent them from > spinning,,,,,has anyone run into this problem? and what was done to > correct it ? i;m going to call Ed monday, but thought i mite get > some ideas here too,,,, thanks in advance for any help. > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas From stevebarr at ameritech.net Sat Mar 5 20:30:36 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:30:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Maxwell Auction in Bluffton, IN In-Reply-To: <422A7D70.6060306@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20050306043036.46232.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Tommy I have pictures and prices. Should have up on my site tomorrow. Steve --- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Did anyone attend the Maxwell auction in Bluffton, IN today? I was > interested in items 155 (Perkins upright model) and 157 (Harvard > Stickney model) and was curious what they brought. I had to stay in KY > for a funeral. Thanks. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, Ky > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nick at holden1.net Sat Mar 5 10:47:20 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:47:20 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition References: <20050305002244.68095.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4229FEB8.000001.03152@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> This is on the Machinery Handbook Site at 18.44GMT so we will have to wate !!! Bandwidth Limit Exceeded The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to the site owner reaching his/her bandwidth limit. Please try again later. Apache/1.3.33 Server at www.spanburgh.com Port 80 Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) -------Original Message------- From: Alan Bowen Date: 03/05/05 00:48:35 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinery's Handbook downloadable 26th edition Wow Steve, Someone spent a lot of time scanning that one fer sure,,, I think I only paid about $6.00 plus $4.00 shipping for my 1953 14th edition It is 1911 pages with the index. I sure wouldn't bother printing out all those sheets of paper when there are books out there to buy. I just saw one for $5.50 and one for %9.50 at http://www.abebooks.com YES!!! REAL books. 8>)) Go get 'em. Alan Bowen --- "Steve W." wrote: > For interested folks here is a place that has the 26th edition of > machinery's handbook online. It is a 269 MEG zip file so if your on > dial-up it is a 16 hour download. Broadband should be much better. It > was posted on a metalworking group. The site is kind of strange in that > it will sometimes not come up, but the file is there. > Just try it a couple times. > http://www.spanburgh.com/files/Machinery's%20Handbook%2026th%20Edition.zip > > Steve Williams __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Mickc at vic.australis.com.au Sat Mar 5 22:39:57 2005 From: Mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 17:39:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Oz Auction Report References: <200503050939.j259dbnR096413@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <002801c52217$50e05b00$ccae57ca@n> G'day Patrick Thanks for the report. The broken parts on the engines were actually broken a few years ago as i went to see the collection and he said he had broken them a week before i turned up! i dont think he cared much for the engine as what he was saying to me at the time. Cheers Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 8:39 PM Subject: [SEL] Oz Auction Report > Ron Sullivan and I went for a little day trip today to attend an auction > down in Wagga Wagga. I left at 3.30am and arrived home at 8.00pm after > covering 900km. > The weather was pretty poor but there was a big turn up of bidders on the > fairly good range of engines offered. After looking over the engines I did > notice one sad thing: many of the engines had suffered some damage in > being > transported to the auction site! There was a Famous with a newly snapped > Webster bracket, an engine with a broken transporter wheel (from being > dropped, most likely) and all sorts of other minor damage :( > Here are some of the engines at the Auction with some results (note: my > prices are at the fall of the hammer and do not include the 11% buyers > premium) > > Tangye (portable, 95% complete) $2050 > Hornsby Gas Engine (99% complete) $2000 > Bentall 4hp vertical (restored) $1500 > 8hp Famous with transport and stationary base(90% complete, some broken > parts) $2800 > 10hp IHC M portable (95% complete) $1700 > Lister N $800 > 15hp McDonald $1250 > 6hp IHC M (restored) $950 > 5hp Emu (throttle-governed Hercules) $900 > 3hp IHC M (low tension) $420 > Ronnie N 2hp $50 > Alfa Laval 2hp (Ronnie N) $90 > Petter Apple Top (incomplete, poor condition) $320 > Palmer Marine $140 > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Mar 6 02:19:28 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 03:19:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] ZD bearings References: <003401c521f7$12fe1f90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: Although I've never had one apart, wouldn't the shims keep them from turning? RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Boyce" To: "stationary engine list" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 7:49 PM Subject: [SEL] ZD bearings hello all,, my son is rebuilding a ZD for a neighbor and has run into a problem,,, new crank bearings were ordered from hit and miss, but there is no way to prevent them from turning in the bores,,,,, it looks like the original bearings had a tab on the inside lip that meshed with a notch in the brearing cap to prevent them from spinning,,,,,has anyone run into this problem? and what was done to correct it ? i;m going to call Ed monday, but thought i mite get some ideas here too,,,, thanks in advance for any help. bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bboyce at swat.coop Sun Mar 6 06:29:58 2005 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 08:29:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] ZD bearings References: <003401c521f7$12fe1f90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <000d01c52258$f9ead3b0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> rick,,,, only the con rod has shims,, the manual says the crank and cam bearing clearance is to be obtained by filing the bearings, and there is no listing for crank or cam bearing shims in the parts listing,,,,,, bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] ZD bearings > Although I've never had one apart, wouldn't the shims keep them from > turning? > > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Boyce" > To: "stationary engine list" > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 7:49 PM > Subject: [SEL] ZD bearings > > > hello all,, my son is rebuilding a ZD for a neighbor and has run into a > problem,,, new crank bearings were ordered from hit and miss, but there is > no way to prevent them from turning in the bores,,,,, it looks like the > original bearings had a tab on the inside lip that meshed with a notch in > the brearing cap to prevent them from spinning,,,,,has anyone run into this > problem? and what was done to correct it ? i;m going to call Ed monday, but > thought i mite get some ideas here too,,,, thanks in advance for any help. > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Mar 6 08:09:45 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 09:09:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] ZD bearings References: <003401c521f7$12fe1f90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> <000d01c52258$f9ead3b0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: I see..round rod conn rod is like that. Well as previously mentioned, Locktite and I have what's called "Bushing, Bearing Retainer for those that like to spin. Also I know there's a fluxing method to retain babbitt in it's proper place. Yea, here it is in Ed's catalog p/n PO15.."Tintite, "Flux"-1/2 oz (Binds bearings to back) $3.00. It's there with the babbitt stuff. Might ask Ed about it. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Boyce" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] ZD bearings > rick,,,, only the con rod has shims,, the manual says the crank and cam > bearing clearance is to be obtained by filing the bearings, and there is > no > listing for crank or cam bearing shims in the parts listing,,,,,, > bill > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 4:19 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] ZD bearings > > > > Although I've never had one apart, wouldn't the shims keep them from > > turning? > > > > RickinMt. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Boyce" > > To: "stationary engine list" > > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 7:49 PM > > Subject: [SEL] ZD bearings > > > > > > hello all,, my son is rebuilding a ZD for a neighbor and has run into a > > problem,,, new crank bearings were ordered from hit and miss, but there > > is > > no way to prevent them from turning in the bores,,,,, it looks like the > > original bearings had a tab on the inside lip that meshed with a notch > > in > > the brearing cap to prevent them from spinning,,,,,has anyone run into > this > > problem? and what was done to correct it ? i;m going to call Ed monday, > but > > thought i mite get some ideas here too,,,, thanks in advance for any > > help. > > bill boyce > > lost prairie, arkansas > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From old_iron at msn.com Sun Mar 6 09:48:43 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:48:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] club badges.....can you help? In-Reply-To: <002301c520ad$f55274e0$18b43dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: Will try and get it out to you tomorrow or at the latest Tuesday. Good Health, XOXOX Peg >From: "peter ogborne" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] club badges.....can you help? >Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:33:08 +0800 > >Peg .......I would really appreciate that . Unfortunately we have a ''Power >Freak'' who has put out a laminated card board name tag as a badge. >It is.............Peter Ogborne, Lot 108 , O"Connell Street ,Little Grove >,Albany , West Australia 6330 >Thanks again Peg > >----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" > >To: >Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:54 AM >Subject: RE: [SEL] club badges.....can you help? > > >>If you sned me your snail, I will send you a badge, like the ones I hand >>out at Portland. >> >>Peg Pfeiffer >> >>>From: "peter ogborne" >>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>>To: >>>Subject: [SEL] club badges.....can you help? >>>Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:33:05 +0800 >>> >>>I am amongst a few of my fellow club members who are disgusted at the '' >>>badge '' that we have . Can those of you who are able send me an image of >>>your club badge of list. >>>Thank you in anticipation. >>>Peter Ogborne >>>Little Grove ,Albany >>>West Australia >>>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >>>jopeter at omninet.net.au >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Mar 6 11:28:56 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:28:56 -0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Nasa World Wind download Message-ID: <000701c52282$beb60560$8c9f0952@no1> Someone in response to the Machinery Handbook thread gave another large download from NASA. Unfortunately I have forgotten who gave the site & which Newsgroup it was on! Can anyone remember this post. PS nothing wrong , I just want to see someone else's experience. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Mar 6 13:18:20 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 16:18:20 EST Subject: [SEL] Oz Auction Report Message-ID: <1d9.37ee650f.2f5ccd9c@aol.com> In a message dated 3/5/2005 4:59:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: << 10hp IHC M portable (95% complete) $1700 >> If it was in decent condition, I would say that was the buy of the day there! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sun Mar 6 13:51:19 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:51:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Oz Auction Report References: <1d9.37ee650f.2f5ccd9c@aol.com> Message-ID: <000b01c52296$a1ce0740$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Tom it was, here a pic Patrick sent me. I told him even with the transport to Holland it was a good buy. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/10hpmOZ.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > In a message dated 3/5/2005 4:59:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, > pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: > > << 10hp IHC M portable (95% complete) $1700 >> > > > If it was in decent condition, I would say that was the buy of the day there! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Sun Mar 6 14:27:41 2005 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 16:27:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Maxwell Auction in Bluffton, IN Message-ID: <000a01c5229b$cd242320$f2670b42@computer> I was there. Perkins went for$2100.00 and Harvard went for $1700.00. George -----Original Message----- From: Judge Tommy Turner To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Saturday, March 05, 2005 10:03 PM Subject: [SEL] Maxwell Auction in Bluffton, IN >Did anyone attend the Maxwell auction in Bluffton, IN today? I was >interested in items 155 (Perkins upright model) and 157 (Harvard >Stickney model) and was curious what they brought. I had to stay in KY >for a funeral. Thanks. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, Ky > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Mar 6 14:50:23 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 14:50:23 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Oz Auction Report In-Reply-To: <000b01c52296$a1ce0740$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200503062250.j26MoRwH089246@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Patrick, Are the prices in AU. currency? Speaking of money does anyone on the list know the hurdles of exporting an engine from Au, to the US [San Francisco] Does the Au. Government frown on the idea? I passed on an auction a while back because of Not knowing the procedure. Thanks ,Jimmy O'Hagan Novato,Ca. USA Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Hammink Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 1:51 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Oz Auction Report Tom it was, here a pic Patrick sent me. I told him even with the transport to Holland it was a good buy. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/10hpmOZ.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > In a message dated 3/5/2005 4:59:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, > pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: > > << 10hp IHC M portable (95% complete) $1700 >> > > > If it was in decent condition, I would say that was the buy of the day there! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Mar 6 16:02:30 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 19:02:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oz Auction Report In-Reply-To: <000b01c52296$a1ce0740$3e636854@Sixmjohn> References: <1d9.37ee650f.2f5ccd9c@aol.com> <000b01c52296$a1ce0740$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <422B9A16.70107@scrtc.com> You can tell from the photo it needs a few things but I have to agree, it was a heck of a buy. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY John Hammink wrote: >Tom it was, here a pic Patrick sent me. I told him even with the transport >to Holland it was a good buy. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/10hpmOZ.jpg > >John Hammink >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl >www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > >>In a message dated 3/5/2005 4:59:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, >>pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: >> >><< 10hp IHC M portable (95% complete) $1700 >> >> >> >>If it was in decent condition, I would say that was the buy of the day there! >> >>Tom Schmutz >>Concord, Va. USA >>Germoamer at aol.com >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Mar 6 17:10:55 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:10:55 EST Subject: [SEL] Oz Auction Report Message-ID: <155.4bd9f8f3.2f5d041f@aol.com> In a message dated 3/6/2005 5:17:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, jg.hammink at quicknet.nl writes: << I told him even with the transport to Holland it was a good buy. >> John. Thanks for the picture. Geesh, it even was on a cart! I will have to dig out a photo of the one I know of in a barn in the mountains I go and see every so often and send it to you. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 6 17:41:45 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:41:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Jim Fell Email? Message-ID: <1110159705.422bb159e3185@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, I'm looking for Jim Fell's email. He's the bloke that specializes in inverted engines. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Mar 6 18:15:19 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 21:15:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Jim Fell Email? In-Reply-To: <1110159705.422bb159e3185@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1110159705.422bb159e3185@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <422BB937.50809@scrtc.com> Arnie, His name is Jim Feil I think. I've got his email somewhere, possibly at my office. He lives in NY. If you don't get it from someone, I'll get it for you. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >Hi Folks, > >I'm looking for Jim Fell's email. He's the bloke that specializes in inverted >engines. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Mar 6 18:15:47 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 18:15:47 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Jim Fell Email? In-Reply-To: <1110159705.422bb159e3185@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <200503070215.j272FpxA079422@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Jim Fehl oldengin at sover.net =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com > -----Original Message----- > From: fero_ah at city-net.com [mailto:fero_ah at city-net.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 5:42 PM > To: Stationary Engine List; Old_Engine > Subject: Jim Fell Email? > > I'm looking for Jim Fell's email. He's the bloke that > specializes in inverted > engines. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Mar 6 19:30:51 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 22:30:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Jim Fell Email? In-Reply-To: <422BB937.50809@scrtc.com> References: <1110159705.422bb159e3185@webmail.city-net.com> <422BB937.50809@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <422BCAEB.3010408@scrtc.com> Rob, Thanks for the correction on the spelling. I knew it was "hl" instead of "il" to spell his last name but I hurriedly spelled it phonetically without noticing. Jim's a good guy and is super on fabricating parts. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Arnie, > His name is Jim Feil I think. I've got his email somewhere, > possibly at my office. He lives in NY. If you don't get it from > someone, I'll get it for you. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, Ky > > > > fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> >> I'm looking for Jim Fell's email. He's the bloke that specializes in >> inverted >> engines. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> Arnie Fero >> Pittsburgh, PA >> fero_ah at city-net.com > > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Sun Mar 6 19:33:52 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:33:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Maxwell Auction in Bluffton, IN In-Reply-To: <20050306043036.46232.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050307033352.15597.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Pictures and prices of the gas engine models are now up. I hope there aren't mistakes, but there may be. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2005maxwell.htm Steve --- Steve Barr wrote: Tommy I have pictures and prices. Should have up on my site tomorrow. Steve --- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: Did anyone attend the Maxwell auction in Bluffton, IN today? I was interested in items 155 (Perkins upright model) and 157 (Harvard Stickney model) and was curious what they brought. I had to stay in KY for a funeral. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Mar 6 20:40:46 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 23:40:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maxwell Auction in Bluffton, IN In-Reply-To: <20050307033352.15597.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050307033352.15597.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <422BDB4E.1040200@scrtc.com> As always Steve, thanks for your hard work and the great job you do with the Auction Reports. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hello > >Pictures and prices of the gas engine models are now up. I hope there >aren't mistakes, but there may be. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2005maxwell.htm > >Steve >--- Steve Barr wrote: > > > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Sun Mar 6 23:39:50 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 07:39:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine in NZ? Message-ID: <1MdHow0GVALCFwM1@loud-n-clear.net> Gordon Banfield has sent me a picture of an engine that he can't identify. Neither can I. It looks a little like a Petter to my untutored eye. It can be seen at: http://www.petesextension.com/Gordon/ What does the panel think? TTFN Pete -- Peter Scales From paul at semidiesel.com Mon Mar 7 00:38:00 2005 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:38:00 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Sulzer Blast Injection Diesel In-Reply-To: <422A32A7.491C6BD9@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks for the comments on this on and off list. Work continues and I'll put some new pics up on the website at the end of the week, it is starting to look quite impressive (if we say so ourselves). Cheers Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date: 01/03/05 From paul at semidiesel.com Mon Mar 7 00:40:07 2005 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:40:07 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Sterling Marine Engines In-Reply-To: <422A32A7.491C6BD9@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Anyone know anything about Sterling Admiral marine engines as used in WWII LCTs? A museum here is trying to restore an LCT and needs info, also needs two engines if anyone knows of any. Thanks Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date: 01/03/05 From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Mar 7 03:29:29 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:29:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Oz Auction Report In-Reply-To: <155.4bd9f8f3.2f5d041f@aol.com> Message-ID: <200503071129.j27BTbuX047968@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Pics from the auction: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/05wagauc.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From mtucker at uky.edu Mon Mar 7 04:55:26 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 07:55:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Way Questions In-Reply-To: <200503071129.j27BTbuX047968@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200503071129.j27BTbuX047968@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Howdy all, Here is the link for some photos of a 3-1/2 hp New Way Model "A" Type "C" . A friend of my father-in-law got this critter from a very old (92 y.o.) friend of his. I haven't seen it but Lincoln thinks that it's an older restoration. It's got a lot of compression even with being completely dry of oil so it should run without much work at all. The new owner would like to know when it may have been made and a ballpark value. The last patent date on the nameplate is '08. The info in the BRB doesn't go into the different models or give much info on the production years so I'm hoping that someone here can help us out. Thanks, Mike -- _____________________________________________ Susan and Michael Tucker email: mtucker at uky.edu 502 Davistown Road Phone (859) 846-4731 Midway, Kentucky 40347 _____________________________________________ From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Mar 7 05:09:32 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 13:09:32 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Kohler engine parts needed Message-ID: <030720051309.11236.422C528C000947AC00002BE421979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi All, Looking for a set of relay coils for a Model D, Kohler generator. Ser: 13525, 1500 watt, numbers inside coil box: 3279-556 94594 any help would be appreciated. thankyou in advance, Curt Andree From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 7 08:34:09 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:34:09 EST Subject: [SEL] Maxwell Auction in Bluffton, IN Message-ID: <87.22cf9a61.2f5ddc81@aol.com> In a message dated 3/6/2005 11:06:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, stevebarr at ameritech.net writes: << Pictures and prices of the gas engine models are now up. >> Steve, Is the $1200 for the 1/2 hp New Holland a reasonable price? I know nothing about the prices of models. it would have looked great beside my full size one. The 4hp International Titan sure was a thing of beauty! Working clutch pulley too! There sure are some talented folks in the world! Thanks for posting the photos and prices. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Mar 7 11:32:36 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:32:36 EST Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse ZD 2 HP Question Message-ID: These questions refer to a Fairbanks Morse ZD 2 HP. What is the proper position of the Connecting Rod Oil Splasher - does it mount to the rear of connecting rod bolt or to front under the connecting rod nut? Is the Connecting Rod Upper Bolt Spacer Washer located to other connecting rod bolt in a like manner as the Connecting Rod Oil Splasher? Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Mon Mar 7 21:38:03 2005 From: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:38:03 Subject: [SEL] Oiled up Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050307213803.009e0640@127.0.0.1> Hi All Funny thing happened today. One of my "assistants" drained the oil from a small Ruston and poured it into a 2 litre "Coke" bottle which he left on a workbench...... It looked just like "Coke" so someone else put it in the fridge. 5 pm arrived and I went to pour myself the usual "Brandy & Coke" - You guessed it - I added old oil to the Brandy !! Being keen on old engines is one thing but when one starts drinking "Brandy & old oil" I think that is taking things a bit far - puts a whole new meaning to the phrase "getting oiled up" Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Mon Mar 7 21:38:05 2005 From: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:38:05 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050307213805.009d61b0@127.0.0.1> Hi all Can anyone help me (rather urgently) with a good clear pic of the Massey Harris logo. I'm looking for the one that goes on the side of the hopper - it has "scrolly" decorations around it. Click here to see an example Click here to see an example www.oldengine.org/members/evans/mh.htm I need something as clear (and crisp) as possible and also fairly big so that I can copy it to cut a stencil from. Colour is not important Black and white gif or bitmap would be good (and makes a small file). Please try to limit file size to not more than about 350 to 400Kbytes. Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Mar 7 12:39:45 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:39:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Eagles have Landed References: <3.0.6.32.20050307213803.009e0640@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <003c01c52355$cc40fa90$2da7ecdc@morris> G'Day All Well FINALLY we have got some of our overseas members to visit Oz. Ruth and I picked up Curt and Missy Holland yesterday from the airport then straight to 3 big engine collections to get things in the right priority. Today the Mountain sites then tomorrow off the the National Rally wiil update when time permits Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 4/03/2005 From sutter6 at bigpond.net.au Sun Mar 6 23:21:07 2005 From: sutter6 at bigpond.net.au (sutter) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:21:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Bamford EV1 Governor Setup Message-ID: <000101c522e6$3baec8a0$0100000a@rodfew3c793iy9> G'day List Does anyone in Melbourne or surrounding area have a Bamford EV1 so I could check out the governor setup? ie. Distance from end of crankshaft to face of flywheel hub, clearance between governor weights and governor arm, distance between gov.arm pivot bracket and cylinder block,whether I am missing a spacer between the governor sleeve and main bearing and other questions. I pulled this engine apart 2 years ago and did not take a great deal of notice regarding the governor - probably because it seemed very straight forward - now on re-assembly the "fingers'of the governor weights hit the governor arm when I turn it over - does not seem quite right! To look at a working engine would be great. Thanks Rod Sutter sutter6 at bigpond.net.au Melbourne, Australia 03 9763 9235 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Mar 7 14:16:25 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:16:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Comedy of Errors - bit long but you can associate with this... Message-ID: <6f602516050307141646ec71b5@mail.gmail.com> Following on from my comments re ebay in the Bessemer catalogue thread, I though I'd better post this under a new header so as not to hijack Arnies thread. We got a new electric shower unit today, and also another one for the house rebuild later on from ebay. Went over to B&Q (Home Depot equivalent in the UK) at Luton near to our factory, only to find the bl**dy store had closed! This was the first B&Q Warehouse store in the UK as far as I remember, and was always busy, so why closed?? Next on the way home is Sainsbury's Homebase, so I cut across town towards the northern side of Luton and pop into the Homebase store. It's nearly empty, in complete contrast to B&Q which is always full of people. Picked up a piece of copper pipe and some unions, an in-line tap and a couple of push-on elbows to save soldering with the gas torch. We have a propane torch and big bottle at home, but I prefer not to use it if I can use push-ons, and the new shower unit has a plastic stub for the water inlet. Feed the nags on the way home, Rita is home today and the other van is with one of the other boys, so I get to feed them on my own, and one is missing... Fed the other four, and went hunting for Shelley, who I find wandering nonchalently down the field looking quite happy with life in general.... Got home, had a quick curry, and then we dive into fitting the new shower. Off comes the old unit (which has lasted 18 years without a fault, not bad!) and while Philip gets the new control unit mounted up, I go looking for a file and a hacksaw. Go to turn the water off and step on a trailing cable to the central heating boiler. Because one end is trapped under a cupboard or something we have recently moved, the other end becomes the weakest link and it pulls out of the boiler junction box with a flash and a bang and ut go all the house electrics...... Soooo... fumble around in the dark to find the switchboard, find the earth leakage breaker which has jumped out as the live cable dragged through the metal control box and everything comes back on again. Sounds of PC's and network upstairs all rebooting and I get under the racks and turn off the water so we can disconnect the old unit. Eventually it is all done and we can smell nice again :-)) Time for a well deserved glass of something 14% or so, and thanks to Philip who probably did more of the job than I did, and he didn't foul anything up in the process. He gave the new shower a quick road test after we had finished. Footnote: B&Q's Luton depot was built on the site of an old Laporte Chemicals chemical sludge deposit area, and it had started to subside and break in half. An Aldi supermarket on the same site also had structural problems and Aldi had successfully sued the builders for ?3.3million in 2002. B&Q were looking for ?47 million from the builders and architects:- http://www.lutononline.co.uk/viewarticle2.aspx?sectionid=541&ArticleID=700723 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Mar 7 14:45:49 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:45:49 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Onan Genny spares Message-ID: <6f6025160503071445195c4d4b@mail.gmail.com> Some years ago we acquired a Continental-engined Onan genset for repair/restoration. Unfortunately it was too far gone to do much with and we scrapped it. One thing we still have, however is a box of electrical relays and stuff out of the set which may be of use to anyone else with something similar. No money required as long as postage is covered. There is a fair bit of it, probably 10-15lbs weight. Let me know if it can be used by anyone, otherwise I'll stick it on ebay Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 6 20:36:06 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 23:36:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RARE BESSEMER GAS ENGINE CATALOG - Deja Vu All Over Again Message-ID: <1110170166.422bda361a367@webmail.city-net.com> OK Brother OFES, Maybe I'm just getting suspicious in my old age. I was stunned a couple of weeks ago when this MINT CONDITION 86 page 1915 Bessemer catalog appeared on eBay from a seller in California. Brings a nice price too, $495! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6946850489 Now what is that old wheeze about lightning not striking twice in the same place? Shazam!! Here's ANOTHER mint condition 86 page 1915 Bessemer catalog, just exactly like the last one. Only the seller is in Kansas this time. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3879876902 The seller sez that he's had it for 30 years and as far as he knows it's an original. So Brother OFES, you've studied oil field engines for ages and like me you've probably hunted for the paper as well. What do you reckon the odds are that two rare mint condition catalogs turn up on eBay just weeks apart? Am I just way too suspicious? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From todengine at zoominternet.net Mon Mar 7 15:51:01 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:51:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Onan Genny spares References: <6f6025160503071445195c4d4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006901c52370$84939160$9235ef18@pengy> Peter, We have a 4 cylinder Onan 10kw genset here which either is going to be sold or rebuilt. If you have some parts which we could use our opinions of the machine may swing toward rebuilding it. What size was your genset? Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: [SEL] Onan Genny spares > Some years ago we acquired a Continental-engined Onan genset for > repair/restoration. Unfortunately it was too far gone to do much with > and we scrapped it. > > One thing we still have, however is a box of electrical relays and > stuff out of the set which may be of use to anyone else with something > similar. No money required as long as postage is covered. There is a > fair bit of it, probably 10-15lbs weight. > > Let me know if it can be used by anyone, otherwise I'll stick it on ebay > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 7 18:28:16 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:28:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RARE BESSEMER GAS ENGINE CATALOG - Deja Vu All Over Again Message-ID: <20050307.213108.596.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Arnie, Why Not ??? For $495 I might be persuaded to sell my Bessie catalog also - (If I had one.) There are several things I watch even if I don't have any intention of selling at the moment. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Mar 7 18:54:14 2005 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:54:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New Way Questions Message-ID: <410-2200532825414796@earthlink.net> When I first asked a New Way collector many years ago how to date a New Way he told me that if I added a year to the last patent date on the tag it would get me in the ball park. Since then I have seen a lot of dual flywheel upright New Way's with an 08 as the last patent date on them so I don't really that this is the best way to date them. I started doing serial number list a while back and that did not prove to work out well either as thier numbering system didn't seem to really follow a steady pattern. By the early teens, it seems that the "S" series was being fazed out in favor of the new "M" and "F" series. Some of my catologs show that around 1916 they were still marketing the "S" series but dewelled more on the later as these engines were far better in the hp/weight issue. As far as value, that is what the buyer is willing to pay. The 3 1/2 hp upright dual flywheel is the most common (non of them are really common though) of the early New Ways with their being more of them than all the other dual flywheel sizes combined. I've seen them offered in the last few years as low as $600 and as high as $2400 but did not see them sell. A few things that will make them worth more are the things that seem to be missing the most, muffler, tin work, check valves and the New Way oiler. New Ways were built from 1904 to the middle 30's with the dual flywheels models leaving the scene in the mid to late teens. Tim Christoff Basehor KS. tchristoff at earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: Michael Tucker > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 3/7/2005 6:56:03 AM > Subject: [SEL] New Way Questions > > Howdy all, > > Here is the link for some photos of a 3-1/2 hp New Way Model "A" Type > "C" . A friend > of my father-in-law got this critter from a very old (92 y.o.) friend > of his. I haven't seen it but Lincoln thinks that it's an older > restoration. It's got a lot of compression even with being > completely dry of oil so it should run without much work at all. The > new owner would like to know when it may have been made and a > ballpark value. The last patent date on the nameplate is '08. The > info in the BRB doesn't go into the different models or give much > info on the production years so I'm hoping that someone here can help > us out. > > Thanks, > Mike > -- > _____________________________________________ > Susan and Michael Tucker email: mtucker at uky.edu > 502 Davistown Road Phone (859) 846-4731 > Midway, Kentucky 40347 > _____________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plb at iinet.net.au Mon Mar 7 20:45:45 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:45:45 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone ER3 References: 162925247 Message-ID: <013d01c52399$b1680580$0201010a@Portable> I have an enquiry about how to adjust a Blackstone ER3 Govenor. I have an ER but I'm not sure if the govenor is similar. The ER is on a power generation system in the outback. Anyone maybe in the UK with any idea's? Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Mar 7 21:32:46 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 00:32:46 EST Subject: [SEl] Fairbanks Morse ZD Status Message-ID: <1c6.2419b535.2f5e92fe@aol.com> Today, I made a new crank for the Fairbanks Morseage ZD Status. Luckily, I had part of the old crank (the end of the crank where it engages the crankshaft was broken). More over, I was fortunate to have Rob Skinner's drawing (_http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/style-d-crank.gif_ (http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/style-d-crank.gif) ) showing the dimensions of the crank. Using this data, I built a fabrication jig to fabricate the crank. I was able heat bend the new crank into the proper shape. The rotating handle part of the old crank was removed. I used the old crank dimensions of the existing handle slot to cut the slot in the new crank. The new crank looks very much like an original. Anyone wanting pictures, please contact me off list. Thanks Rob for sharing this crank information on your web site. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Mar 7 22:53:27 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 06:53:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone ER3 In-Reply-To: <013d01c52399$b1680580$0201010a@Portable> References: <013d01c52399$b1680580$0201010a@Portable> Message-ID: <6f60251605030722534e52ca17@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:45:45 +0800, R and E Freeman wrote: > I have an enquiry about how to adjust a Blackstone ER3 Govenor. I have an ER > but I'm not sure if the govenor is similar. The ER is on a power generation > system in the outback. Anyone maybe in the UK with any idea's? > > Ray Freeman Have replied to Ray off-list, Michael Key is the man to contact. His website is at : http://www.oldengine.org/members/blkstone Direct email is: michaelstamford at aol.com in case anyone else needs the info. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Mar 7 23:07:31 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:07:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Onan Genny spares In-Reply-To: <006901c52370$84939160$9235ef18@pengy> References: <6f6025160503071445195c4d4b@mail.gmail.com> <006901c52370$84939160$9235ef18@pengy> Message-ID: <6f60251605030723071c264048@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:51:01 -0500, Tod Engine wrote: > Peter, > > We have a 4 cylinder Onan 10kw genset here which either is going to be sold > or rebuilt. If you have some parts which we could use our opinions of the > machine may swing toward rebuilding it. What size was your genset? > > Rick Rowlands Hi Rick: I cannot remember the rating, it was single phase 240V, a bit unusual for 1940's Onan kit. 10kW sounds about right though, and it was electric start from memory. The rotor in the genny needed a rebuild as the asbestos packing pieces for the coils were disintegrating and we were being quoted big $$'s for the work. The engine was seized solid, the carb was a mass of rust and so on. I have some pictures of a similar set somewhere, I'll try and find them, also there is an envelope with some connection info on the control panel that had been made when it was stripped down, I kept that as well. What is in the box are the meters and control gear, we also still have the bare control panel and the engine bell housing and maybe the cooling fan for the genny, and I think I saw the water pump body for the Conti (Y91?) engine. We bought manuals for the engine in the US, it was this search for information that led to my first contact with Jim Dunmyer and Oldengine.org, the rest as they say is history :-)) I see that Alan Bowen has also asked about the parts, perhaps you two could liaise over this and share shipping costs etc? Oh, and there is also a distributor which the late Tom Mackay got for me, I collected that when we went to Oz in 1997. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Sun Mar 6 21:47:33 2005 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:17:33 +1030 Subject: [SEL] OT Nasa World Wind download References: <000701c52282$beb60560$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: <000601c522d9$292e1260$3cc48890@chaos> zoom in on your town with worldwind http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "oldengine" Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 5:58 AM Subject: [SEL] OT Nasa World Wind download > Someone in response to the Machinery Handbook thread > gave another large download from NASA. > Unfortunately I have forgotten who gave the site & which > Newsgroup it was on! Can anyone remember this post. > PS nothing wrong , I just want to see someone else's experience. > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Mar 8 07:22:38 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 10:22:38 EST Subject: [SEL] Check out Home Page - The Old Car Manual Project O.T. Message-ID: <74.4f0cadf2.2f5f1d3e@aol.com> Hi List, Many of the members of the SEL are also into older vehicles. This web site has some manuals for several older cars. It might be of interest to some. _Click here: Home Page - The Old Car Manual Project_ (http://www.tocmp.com/) _http://www.tocmp.com/_ (http://www.tocmp.com/) (http://www.tocmp.com/) Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From mholland at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 8 08:00:26 2005 From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:00:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Eagles have Landed Message-ID: Message for Missy or Curt Good trip I hope. This comupter is slow and it is a rouond about way of doing things. Your friends seem to have you out and doing things. "Oz" is a big place to see in only two week. Things are routine here. Your son is being himself. We have talked to your Mother Curt. I do not have to concern myself with the grass nor do you now. She purchased herself an electric lawn mover she could handle and has mowed the lawn. From what she says she went first class with a mucher type. It is fairly large cut with sometype of cord reel. She says it is her answer to her problem. Keep it sane and in the road. DS > G'Day All > > Well FINALLY we have got some of our overseas members to visit Oz. > > Ruth and I picked up Curt and Missy Holland yesterday from the airport then > straight to 3 big engine collections to get things in the right priority. > Today the Mountain sites then tomorrow off the the National Rally > wiil update when time permits > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow NSW Oz > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 4/03/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Mar 8 08:46:09 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:46:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Check out Home Page - The Old Car Manual Project O.T. In-Reply-To: <74.4f0cadf2.2f5f1d3e@aol.com> References: <74.4f0cadf2.2f5f1d3e@aol.com> Message-ID: <2389.165.206.180.118.1110300369.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Yeah, but don't mention them here - you'll piss people off...... Bill > Hi List, > Many of the members of the SEL are also into older vehicles. This web > site > has some manuals for several older cars. It might be of interest to > some. > > _Click here: Home Page - The Old Car Manual Project_ > (http://www.tocmp.com/) > _http://www.tocmp.com/_ (http://www.tocmp.com/) > > > > > (http://www.tocmp.com/) Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lsain33 at charter.net Tue Mar 8 13:17:56 2005 From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:17:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Eagles have Landed, somewhat OT References: Message-ID: <010401c52424$4c5b6d90$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Another message for Missy and Curt: Just wanted to let you know the yard sale went well. I picked up a nice Abenaque and a Stickney. I thought $500 each was a fair price. I was going to get the International but a couple of guys who had accents beat me to it. I think their name was Cloister or Oyster or something like that. Oil barons I think they were. Maybe from Texas. I wonder if Chuck knows them? Anyway, have a great time down under and regards to Kerry, Ruth and all the Ozites. Larry back in Cat Square, NC, USA PS You can pick up an engine or two while you're down there....lots of room in your shop now! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Missy Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Eagles have Landed > Message for Missy or Curt > > Good trip I hope. This comupter is slow and it is a rouond about way > of doing things. Your friends seem to have you out and doing > things. "Oz" is a big place to see in only two week. > > Things are routine here. Your son is being himself. We have talked to > your Mother Curt. I do not have to concern myself with the grass nor > do you now. She purchased herself an electric lawn mover she could > handle and has mowed the lawn. From what she says she went first class > with a mucher type. It is fairly large cut with sometype of cord > reel. She says it is her answer to her problem. > > Keep it sane and in the road. DS > > > > G'Day All > > > > Well FINALLY we have got some of our overseas members to visit Oz. > > > > Ruth and I picked up Curt and Missy Holland yesterday from the > airport then > > straight to 3 big engine collections to get things in the right > priority. > > Today the Mountain sites then tomorrow off the the National Rally > > wiil update when time permits > > > > Kerry Morris > > Lithgow NSW Oz > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 4/03/2005 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.4 - Release Date: 3/7/2005 > > From andyglines at hotmail.com Tue Mar 8 12:04:01 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:04:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: oiled up In-Reply-To: <200503081100.j28B0AkX005426@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Looks like you have been presented with a opportunity to discuss proper containers and labeling with you assistant. Glad no one was hurt ...... this time! > 6. Oiled up (Jerry Evans) >Message: 6 >Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:38:03 >From: Jerry Evans >Subject: [SEL] Oiled up >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050307213803.009e0640 at 127.0.0.1> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Hi All > Funny thing happened today. One of my "assistants" drained the oil from a >small Ruston and poured it into a 2 litre "Coke" bottle which he left on a >workbench...... It looked just like "Coke" so someone else put it in the >fridge. > 5 pm arrived and I went to pour myself the usual "Brandy & Coke" - You >guessed it - I added old oil to the Brandy !! Being keen on old engines is >one thing but when one starts drinking "Brandy & old oil" I think that is >taking things a bit far - puts a whole new meaning to the phrase "getting >oiled up" >Best regards >Jerry Evans. >Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 8 17:28:52 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 20:28:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Eagles have Landed, somewhat OT In-Reply-To: <010401c52424$4c5b6d90$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> References: <010401c52424$4c5b6d90$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Message-ID: <1110331732.422e515419cdb@webmail.city-net.com> DAMN!!!! Those Cloistered Oyster brothers have broken out again!! They must have been in the same weak prison as Martha Stewart. Shame really that they got wind of this yard sale before it could get advertised. Ah well, at least Curt & Missey got into three figures. Assuming the "Certified Check" clears... See ya, Arnie Quoting Larry Sain : > Just wanted to let you know the yard sale went well. I picked up a nice > Abenaque and a Stickney. I thought $500 each was a fair price. I was going > to get the International but a couple of guys who had accents beat me to it. > I think their name was Cloister or Oyster or something like that. Oil > barons I think they were. Maybe from Texas. I wonder if Chuck knows them? From todengine at zoominternet.net Tue Mar 8 18:01:15 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 21:01:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] German Rolling Mill Engines Message-ID: <006501c5244b$e0351710$9235ef18@pengy> I am wondering what the current status is of the rolling mill engine at Tobiashammer and the engine at the Maxhutte Steelworks in Sulzbach Rosenberg. Do they still exist? and if so might they be preserved? I'm just trying to expand my list of preserved rolling mill engines to occupy more than the digits on one hand! Thanks. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Mar 8 20:26:31 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 23:26:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Eagles have Landed, somewhat OT References: <010401c52424$4c5b6d90$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <1110331732.422e515419cdb@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <001c01c52460$2be649e0$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> Yes, it was a god overall experience with Martha behind bars. All was going quite well, and Steve had already mastered toast banzi and lemon doily making, when suddenly we spotted the "Cat Square Auction Co." flyer on the back of the prison menu Steve had stolen from the prison latte' bar. Next thing you know Steve and Martha are "engaged", we all get pardoned, Martha flies us down to Gastonia and it is "two for one day" at the Holland yard sale. Larry Sain was running the auction and he has some more good eye. He was taking bids and hollering sold, and heck I never even saw anyone bidding. We all got lots of bargains and the good news is, the sale continues for at least, 8 more days? I'd love to tell more about the sale, but darn it Steve needs me to help him with his seaweed pinky wraps he and Martha are fixing for all the guests at their nuptials. Yall stay tuned and lets all wish Curtis and Missy and fun trip down under. I'll let you know when the auction proceeds raise enough to get Devin out of JD Boot Camp. It is amazing how much trouble that boy can get into with a tater cannon. Mike Royster, brother of Steve Royster-Stewart ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Eagles have Landed, somewhat OT > DAMN!!!! Those Cloistered Oyster brothers have broken out again!! They must > have been in the same weak prison as Martha Stewart. > > Shame really that they got wind of this yard sale before it could get > advertised. Ah well, at least Curt & Missey got into three figures. Assuming > the "Certified Check" clears... > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Larry Sain : > > > Just wanted to let you know the yard sale went well. I picked up a nice > > Abenaque and a Stickney. I thought $500 each was a fair price. I was going > > to get the International but a couple of guys who had accents beat me to it. > > I think their name was Cloister or Oyster or something like that. Oil > > barons I think they were. Maybe from Texas. I wonder if Chuck knows them? > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Mar 9 01:41:17 2005 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:41:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Eagles have Landed, somewhat OT In-Reply-To: <001c01c52460$2be649e0$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> References: <010401c52424$4c5b6d90$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <1110331732.422e515419cdb@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050309203600.00b3b7d0@mail.ncable.com.au> >G'day all from the other side of the pond. Not sure what Kerry has got >organised for the Hollands to even get a sniff of what you guys are >saying. Could be you will have a free hand to the engine barn for a while >yet. I will pass on all the bad news however as Kerry and Ruth & the >Hollands will be stopping by on Sunday for a little play, bbq and a beer >or 6! Beware as a reply will no doubt be on the way. Sounds like I best lock up all my spare parts and lock tight anything that is removable from my engines! Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Wed Mar 9 02:53:39 2005 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 21:53:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Oz Auction Report In-Reply-To: <200503071129.j27BTbuX047968@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Great Pics and report as usual Patrick. Many thanks. Regards, Lyndsay . >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" , > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Oz Auction Report >Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:29:29 +1100 > >Pics from the auction: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/05wagauc.html > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 9 08:22:53 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:22:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Universal GenSet Message-ID: Howdy all; Had a nice engine days yesterday. Went across town and brought home what we consider a pretty nice barn freshe "Universal Engine" hooked up to a D.C. Generator/Dynamo. The PO Mr. Bud Johnson said that they used it for a backup battery charger for the ore carts in the 1940's. Pretty good shape and it's all there. Came out of a silver mine and he says there's more iron up there..too much snow now to go and look. Problem is, no spark out of the Dixie mag. Is this an impulse mag? If so I've got some tinkering to do. He also had the mag apart and forgot to install the magnets the first time he worked on it. Aaarrghhh, we know what that means :-)), but luckily still have the friends magnet recharger. Here's the Webshots album; and of course "it ran when he parked it." (vbg) Could also use a manual or whatever's available. http://community.webshots.com/album/291395326wWDmvi We believe it's a 7hp, 4 lunger, 1000 rpm, primer cups on each cylinder. The big tank is the gas tank. Hope ya enjoy RickinMt. From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 9 08:31:28 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:31:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Awesome Antique Spark Plug Message-ID: HOLY SHIT!!!! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- View this Item on eBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6516380678 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Awesome Antique Gas Engine Spark Plug W/Odd Tin Can Item number: 6516380678 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Current bid: US $510.00 (Reserve not met) Ends Mar-10-0518:41:51 PST Summary Awesome Unusual Antique Gas Engine Spark Plug With Oddball Box Here is a great spark plug in new never used condition with its incredible shipping can. In all my years collecting old spark plugs I have never seen another old plug with such a unique can. The plug itself is a very rare incredibly unusual brass intensified jump spark type plug, made in Macomb Ill. From marvhed at ecenet.com Wed Mar 9 09:05:05 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:05:05 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Awesome Antique Spark Plug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43652.199.62.0.252.1110387905.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> common Arnie, you've got the deep pockets, go for it!!! marv in minn > HOLY SHIT!!!! > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > View this Item on eBay at > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6516380678 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Awesome Antique Gas Engine Spark Plug W/Odd Tin Can > Item number: 6516380678 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Current bid: US $510.00 > (Reserve not met) > Ends Mar-10-0518:41:51 PST > > Summary > Awesome Unusual Antique Gas Engine Spark Plug With Oddball Box > Here is a great spark plug in new never used condition with its > incredible shipping can. In all my years collecting old spark plugs I > have never seen another old plug with such a unique can. The plug itself > is a very rare incredibly unusual brass intensified jump spark type > plug, made in Macomb Ill. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 9 10:07:18 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:07:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Awesome Antique Spark Plug In-Reply-To: <43652.199.62.0.252.1110387905.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <43652.199.62.0.252.1110387905.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Hey Marv, It ain't the depth of the pocket that matters. What's important is what's at the bottom; jingle or lint. Don't look for my name on that auction, except as incredulous observer. See ya, Arnie PS - And the bloody reserve ain't met yet!! On Wed, 9 Mar 2005, MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > common Arnie, > you've got the deep pockets, go for it!!! > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > View this Item on eBay at > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6516380678 From glenn.karch at gte.net Wed Mar 9 09:57:56 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 11:57:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Awesome Antique Spark Plug References: Message-ID: <001401c524d1$89007300$a129ea41@oemcomputer> Arnie, I think that we should take all of our old Champion X spark plugs and make an intensifier to add to the top of them. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: [SEL] Awesome Antique Spark Plug > HOLY SHIT!!!! > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > View this Item on eBay at > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6516380678 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Awesome Antique Gas Engine Spark Plug W/Odd Tin Can > Item number: 6516380678 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Current bid: US $510.00 > (Reserve not met) > Ends Mar-10-0518:41:51 PST > > Summary > Awesome Unusual Antique Gas Engine Spark Plug With Oddball Box > Here is a great spark plug in new never used condition with its > incredible shipping can. In all my years collecting old spark plugs I > have never seen another old plug with such a unique can. The plug itself > is a very rare incredibly unusual brass intensified jump spark type > plug, made in Macomb Ill. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 9 10:36:52 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:36:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Awesome Antique Spark Plug References: <43652.199.62.0.252.1110387905.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Cork and I went to a yard sale last summer where there were 40 spark plugs or so. One had a primer cup and when the auction opened this guy said 200 bucks..there were no other bids. He wanted something bad! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Awesome Antique Spark Plug > common Arnie, > you've got the deep pockets, go for it!!! > > marv in minn > > > > HOLY SHIT!!!! > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > View this Item on eBay at > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6516380678 > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Awesome Antique Gas Engine Spark Plug W/Odd Tin Can > > Item number: 6516380678 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Current bid: US $510.00 > > (Reserve not met) > > Ends Mar-10-0518:41:51 PST > > > > Summary > > Awesome Unusual Antique Gas Engine Spark Plug With Oddball Box > > Here is a great spark plug in new never used condition with its > > incredible shipping can. In all my years collecting old spark plugs I > > have never seen another old plug with such a unique can. The plug itself > > is a very rare incredibly unusual brass intensified jump spark type > > plug, made in Macomb Ill. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Mar 9 13:24:05 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:24:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Awesome Antique Spark Plug References: Message-ID: <01c801c524ee$eeec3100$0301a8c0@Reg> Those words crossed my mind too! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:31 AM Subject: [SEL] Awesome Antique Spark Plug > HOLY SHIT!!!! From jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Wed Mar 9 23:39:44 2005 From: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 23:39:44 Subject: [SEL] re: Massey Harris logo (& earthquake) Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050309233944.009b5478@127.0.0.1> Thanks John Hammink for the response. Check here for the update We believe it's a 7hp, 4 lunger, 1000 rpm, primer cups on each cylinder. The big tank is the gas tank. I'll bet you find its substantially older than the 1940s.. Mike Semanoff From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 9 16:41:31 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 17:41:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Universal GenSet References: <156.4c82f73d.2f60d843@aol.com> Message-ID: I would think more like the 20's. Gaggle has revealed some info and these engines were widely used in boats also. Possibly Universal is still in business. Sure could use some help in hooking this generator up. There's only 3 binding posts on top of it and they are unmarked. I would assume that an exciter and regulator would be used also. Thanks to Peter's website, I now have some info on the Dixie 46 mag. It appears to be the impulse type. TIA RickinMt. > > We believe it's a 7hp, 4 lunger, 1000 rpm, primer cups on each cylinder. > The big tank is the gas tank. > > > > I'll bet you find its substantially older than the 1940s.. > Mike Semanoff > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Tue Mar 8 00:57:01 2005 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 19:27:01 +1030 Subject: [SEL] OT Nasa World Wind download References: <000701c52282$beb60560$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: <005e01c523bc$cb4f1ab0$3cc48890@chaos> http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "oldengine" Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 5:58 AM Subject: [SEL] OT Nasa World Wind download > Someone in response to the Machinery Handbook thread > gave another large download from NASA. > Unfortunately I have forgotten who gave the site & which > Newsgroup it was on! Can anyone remember this post. > PS nothing wrong , I just want to see someone else's experience. > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Mar 9 18:16:08 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 19:16:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not. Message-ID: <422FADE8.5000500@earthlink.net> Hi all, At the risk of pissing off some of the club or board members of my club, I decided to make this post. Quite honestly I don't know if any of them are on either list. I sure do want some opinions, and hell, at least it's on topic. I run the web site for my local club, and my mailbox gets many inquiries regarding the club. Some I can answer and others I pass on to a board member. One of my latest inquiries was this one, and I've snipped and copied cause I don't like typing. Location and phone number removed by me. > I operate a small agricultural museum in (). I have and old Iron Show > Scheduled for May 7th, 2005. I would like to ask if any of your > members would be interested in bringing antique Tractors and > Equipment to the Show. I can be reached through the email address or > at () Tuesday through Thrusday afternoons till 5:00 p.m. > Thank you Now to me this sounds like a helluva good invitation. Land and location furnished and a place to show off old iron and get together. No cost to the club because club sponsored shows are covered by liability insurance. What is the problem? Well it turns out the show would add no money to the clubs coffers, and without that it is not a show. I realize that there are revenue needs to keep a club going, but do we have to make money at every place we can show? Car club folks knock themselves out to show off their iron and they get by. The potential to run our (revenue making item) maybe could have been there by the way. I have no doubt it would have been welcome and some revenue obtained. The board of directors turned the invitation down. What the hell is this hobby all about? Making money only or a little of both. Not a happy camper tonight. Now you all tell me what you think and the flame suit is on. I may not look as good as Dolly in it for you guys, but there are gals on the lists. Bet I'd look good to them. :-)) Happily married so it's look but don't touch by the way. Jeff Allen From tchristoff at earthlink.net Wed Mar 9 19:31:11 2005 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 21:31:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A bigger pick up truck for hauling engines? Message-ID: <410-22005341033111656@earthlink.net> Hook up a trailer to this pick up and how many engines do you think you could take to a show? http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.internationaldelivers.com/assets/news/Articles/images/cxt-red-2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.internationaldelivers.com/site_layout/news/newsdetail.asp%3Fid%3D595&h=400&w=400&sz=95&tbnid=q6wDjnWn2UEJ:&tbnh=120&tbnw=120&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dinternational%2Bpick%2Bup%2Btruck%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG Tim Christoff Basehor KS. tchristoff at earthlink.net From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Mar 9 19:38:24 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 22:38:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not. References: <422FADE8.5000500@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001b01c52522$9da0bd00$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> I hate it for you. Tommy Berry throws a great New Years Day Crank Up and no money changes hands, other than he spends it to make it happen for all. A fun show I would not miss, that keeps a great hobby alive and sparks interest from all walks of life. It ain't about the money. Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "Oldengine list" ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:16 PM Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not. > Hi all, > > At the risk of pissing off some of the club or board members of my club, > I decided to make this post. Quite honestly I don't know if any of them > are on either list. I sure do want some opinions, and hell, at least > it's on topic. > > I run the web site for my local club, and my mailbox gets many inquiries > regarding the club. Some I can answer and others I pass on to a board > member. One of my latest inquiries was this one, and I've snipped and > copied cause I don't like typing. Location and phone number removed by me. > > > I operate a small agricultural museum in (). I have and old Iron Show > > Scheduled for May 7th, 2005. I would like to ask if any of your > > members would be interested in bringing antique Tractors and > > Equipment to the Show. I can be reached through the email address or > > at () Tuesday through Thrusday afternoons till 5:00 p.m. > > Thank you > > > Now to me this sounds like a helluva good invitation. Land and location > furnished and a place to show off old iron and get together. No cost to > the club because club sponsored shows are covered by liability > insurance. What is the problem? Well it turns out the show would add no > money to the clubs coffers, and without that it is not a show. I realize > that there are revenue needs to keep a club going, but do we have to > make money at every place we can show? Car club folks knock themselves > out to show off their iron and they get by. > > The potential to run our (revenue making item) maybe could have been > there by the way. I have no doubt it would have been welcome and some > revenue obtained. The board of directors turned the invitation down. > What the hell is this hobby all about? Making money only or a little of > both. Not a happy camper tonight. > > Now you all tell me what you think and the flame suit is on. I may not > look as good as Dolly in it for you guys, but there are gals on the > lists. Bet I'd look good to them. :-)) Happily married so it's look but > don't touch by the way. > > Jeff Allen > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Wed Mar 9 20:07:54 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 20:07:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not. In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050310040754.65388.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Jeff I am members of several different local clubs. I also do the web site for the Sandwich Club. We get simular requests. All invitations I take to the club meeting and read it for the members present. If anyone wants to go, they are free to do so. It is also a great way to advertise for our show later or invite others who may show there to come to our show. Since you metioned a that your club has a money making device and the board decided that it won't be there (was it ok'd by the host of the show?). Will you or other club members who are interested be there? There are no club rules stopping you from showing anywhere at any time no matter what club you belong to. I tend to have more fun at other shows because of less job responsibility. Take the show in and enjoy it as an individual. I am sure you will have a great time and you can still hand out flyers for your club show. Steve --- Jeff Allen wrote: Hi all, At the risk of pissing off some of the club or board members of my club, I decided to make this post. Quite honestly I don't know if any of them are on either list. I sure do want some opinions, and hell, at least it's on topic. I run the web site for my local club, and my mailbox gets many inquiries regarding the club. Some I can answer and others I pass on to a board member. One of my latest inquiries was this one, and I've snipped and copied cause I don't like typing. Location and phone number removed by me. >I operate a small agricultural museum in (). I have and old Iron Show >Scheduled for May 7th, 2005. I would like to ask if any of your >members would be interested in bringing antique Tractors and >Equipment to the Show. I can be reached through the email address or >at () Tuesday through Thrusday afternoons till 5:00 p.m. >Thank you Now to me this sounds like a helluva good invitation. Land and location furnished and a place to show off old iron and get together. No cost to the club because club sponsored shows are covered by liability insurance. What is the problem? Well it turns out the show would add no money to the clubs coffers, and without that it is not a show. I realize that there are revenue needs to keep a club going, but do we have to make money at every place we can show? Car club folks knock themselves out to show off their iron and they get by. The potential to run our (revenue making item) maybe could have been there by the way. I have no doubt it would have been welcome and some revenue obtained. The board of directors turned the invitation down. What the hell is this hobby all about? Making money only or a little of both. Not a happy camper tonight. From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Mar 9 20:09:18 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 23:09:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A bigger pick up truck for hauling engines? In-Reply-To: <410-22005341033111656@earthlink.net> References: <410-22005341033111656@earthlink.net> Message-ID: That's really cool! John On Mar 9, 2005, at 10:31 PM, Tim Christoff wrote: > Hook up a trailer to this pick up and how many engines do you think > you could take to a show? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lsain33 at charter.net Wed Mar 9 23:23:34 2005 From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 23:23:34 -0800 Subject: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic Message-ID: <016501c52542$123db3b0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Hi All, It's a little slow on the list and I'm in need of some off topic information. Given the experience of the list, someone can help me I'm sure. I bought an old engine, a 4-cylinder flathead. Unfortunately, it's in Michigan and I'm in Cat Square, North Carolina. It's also enclosed in a 1930 Model A Ford sedan. Given the cost of fuel, renting a U-Haul auto transport and two days off to do it myself, I can get a professional auto transport company to bring it to me for another couple hundred bucks. My question, has anyone used one of these services or heard anything good or bad about them? Answer off-list if you want and I apologize for the off-topic question. Thanks. Larry Sain in North Carolina From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Mar 9 21:19:01 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 00:19:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not. Message-ID: <20050310.001901.512.8.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Jeff, Sounds like you're ready to go. Too many shows are being run by the buck. DO IT !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Mar 9 21:24:52 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 21:24:52 -0800 Subject: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic In-Reply-To: <016501c52542$123db3b0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Message-ID: <200503100524.j2A5Oui0007344@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Larry, What's your phone #? I know a good hauler. I'll call you with the information. Cya. Jimmy O'Hagan Novato Ca. 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Sain Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:24 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic Hi All, It's a little slow on the list and I'm in need of some off topic information. Given the experience of the list, someone can help me I'm sure. I bought an old engine, a 4-cylinder flathead. Unfortunately, it's in Michigan and I'm in Cat Square, North Carolina. It's also enclosed in a 1930 Model A Ford sedan. Given the cost of fuel, renting a U-Haul auto transport and two days off to do it myself, I can get a professional auto transport company to bring it to me for another couple hundred bucks. My question, has anyone used one of these services or heard anything good or bad about them? Answer off-list if you want and I apologize for the off-topic question. Thanks. Larry Sain in North Carolina _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Mar 9 22:04:52 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 22:04:52 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not. In-Reply-To: <422FADE8.5000500@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200503100604.j2A64BeQ025106@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I think you've overlooked the obvious solution to the problem. Call back the people putting on the show and tell them that although your club cannot attend, you'd be glad to accept their invitation. Then call up some of your homeboys and tell them to bring out some junk. Then go out and have a good time. Problem solved. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 00:12:06 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:12:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Universal GenSet In-Reply-To: References: <156.4c82f73d.2f60d843@aol.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605031000127284fbae@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 17:41:31 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > I would think more like the 20's. Gaggle has revealed some info and these > engines were widely used in boats also. Possibly Universal is still in > business. > > Sure could use some help in hooking this generator up. There's only 3 > binding posts on top of it and they are unmarked. I would assume that an > exciter and regulator would be used also. > > Thanks to Peter's website, I now have some info on the Dixie 46 mag. It > appears to be the impulse type. > > TIA > RickinMt. > > > > > > We believe it's a 7hp, 4 lunger, 1000 rpm, primer cups on each cylinder. > > The big tank is the gas tank. > > > > > > > > I'll bet you find its substantially older than the 1940s.. > > Mike Semanoff The 1920's Dixie catalogue that we have shows an earlier version of this magneto, the terminal plate and connections are the same, but there is no magnets cover. The lower plate 'should' have advance-retard capability if it is the same as the ones in my book. I'd guess 1930's for a dating. The F-M replacements catalogue only shows Eisemann magnetos or F-M, no Dixie stuff for Universal engines. One of my engine piston/ring catalogues shows Universal 10hp 4-cylinder flat head 2-5/8" bore Model N (marine application) There may be more stuff I can dig up later. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Mar 10 00:56:33 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:56:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not. References: <200503100604.j2A64BeQ025106@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <00af01c5254f$11096680$0301a8c0@Reg> I go along with Rob on this. Years back, when I was show organiser for our club, We worked on the principle that, as a group, we would attend an event for free if it was for a charity or similar. If it was a profit making event, we asked for a fee towards club running costs. Never a large amount. I really dont know what they do now. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Showing engines or not. > > I think you've overlooked the obvious solution to the problem. Call back the > people putting on the show and tell them that although your club cannot attend, > you'd be glad to accept their invitation. Then call up some of your homeboys > and tell them to bring out some junk. Then go out and have a good time. > Problem solved. > > Rob From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Mar 10 02:50:56 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:50:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Awesome Antique Spark Plug Message-ID: <031020051050.11663.4230268F000F1AFB00002D8F21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Arnie, Since you ve been working 7days a week at the Nuke plant you should be buying that awesume plug for your Lorenz....... Curt > Hey Marv, > > It ain't the depth of the pocket that matters. What's important is what's > at the bottom; jingle or lint. Don't look for my name on that auction, > except as incredulous observer. > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - And the bloody reserve ain't met yet!! > > On Wed, 9 Mar 2005, MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > > > common Arnie, > > you've got the deep pockets, go for it!!! > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > View this Item on eBay at > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6516380678 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Bimjy at hotmail.com Thu Mar 10 03:31:21 2005 From: Bimjy at hotmail.com (Jim Hunter) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 06:31:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL]An old engine,but still off topic Message-ID: Hi Larry, I live in northwest Oh and am real sure that if you should decide that the "engine" turns out to be too much trouble to retrive that I can gladly relieve you off the burden!!!!! LOL Jim From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 03:46:52 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 03:46:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Nasa World Wind download In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050310114653.21262.qmail@web14123.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I downloaded the program and it's really neat. You can soom into any location world wide. Found my house with no problem. Ron derek wrote: http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "oldengine" Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 5:58 AM Subject: [SEL] OT Nasa World Wind download > Someone in response to the Machinery Handbook thread > gave another large download from NASA. > Unfortunately I have forgotten who gave the site & which > Newsgroup it was on! Can anyone remember this post. > PS nothing wrong , I just want to see someone else's experience. > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! From ELIDAS at aol.com Thu Mar 10 04:02:07 2005 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:02:07 EST Subject: [SEL] Universal GenSet Message-ID: In a message dated 3/9/2005 8:03:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: I would think more like the 20's. Gaggle has revealed some info and these engines were widely used in boats also. Possibly Universal is still in business. They sure are:_http://www.westerbeke.com/_ (http://www.westerbeke.com/) I have an earlier Model "C" that looks similar. Mine has a Bendix mag. Mike Semanoff From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 10 06:02:57 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:02:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not. In-Reply-To: <422FADE8.5000500@earthlink.net> References: <422FADE8.5000500@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Jeff, Our club does a few shows that are "our shows", we run 'em and we keep most of the revenue. We attend a few more "as a club" where the sponsoring organization pays us some amount to show up with the understanding that we will bring a lot of the "club equipment" (grain grinding, saw mill, shingle mill, etc.). Many of the club members also exhibit their own engines, tractors, and equipment. Since there is expense and non-trivial effort in getting the club equipment to a show, manned for the duration, brought back to the club grounds, and cleaned and maintained for the next outing, we don't accept every invite to a show. The board of directors decides each year which invitations we'll accept as a club. However, individuals go to whichever shows suit their interests and schedules. Most club members do try and give priority to the "sanctioned" club events. You imply that your club has equipment above and beyond what individuals bring. Are you thinking that "someone" should take that gear to every show that puts in a request and that there is no cost in making that happen? I'm guessing that you aren't the guy who does that. I think the answer is easy. As a club you decide what you'll do "as a club" and who makes those decisions. If those charged with that decision making choose not to attend, so be it. Announce the event to the membership at large, and those who have an interest and the free time attend even though "the club" declined the invitation. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 9 Mar 2005, Jeff Allen wrote: > At the risk of pissing off some of the club or board members of my club, > I decided to make this post. Quite honestly I don't know if any of them > are on either list. I sure do want some opinions, and hell, at least > it's on topic. > > > The potential to run our (revenue making item) maybe could have been > there by the way. I have no doubt it would have been welcome and some > revenue obtained. The board of directors turned the invitation down. > What the hell is this hobby all about? Making money only or a little of > both. Not a happy camper tonight. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 10 06:24:36 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:24:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Universal GenSet References: Message-ID: Appreciate the info, Mike. I see where they have some old literature on Universal Engines and GenSets. Course the cyberbox locks up when I crank up the .pdf files so will get Cork to do it. I now believe ours is a "D" model as the serial number is D1844. You might find this 4 page site interesting as we did: http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Atomic_4_Eng_Service/History_of_the_Universal_Motor_Company_1.html#top I hope that url doesn't wrap, if so I'll do an abbriviated version. Re: the Dixie mag, I going to assume it's impulse as Peters chart shows the Dixie 46 has a 35 degree impulse lag. Once again I'll assume that the 35 degrees is the amount of turn that the spring winds up before it trips/impulses. Kinda like a Webster. This one doesn't impulse or at least I can't hear it, so I'll tinker with it a little and re-charge the magnet(s). Does anyone know which position of the advance/retard lever is retard...up or down? Don't need any excitement regarding that proceedure:-) All in all a very nice engine with definite learning capabilities. The mag, carb, gov, dynamo, water pump are just a few. I've uploaded a few more pictures to my webshots album: http://community.webshots.com/album/291395326wWDmvi Thanks again, Mike and all RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 5:02 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Universal GenSet > > In a message dated 3/9/2005 8:03:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > > I would think more like the 20's. Gaggle has revealed some info and > these > engines were widely used in boats also. Possibly Universal is still in > business. > > > They sure are:_http://www.westerbeke.com/_ (http://www.westerbeke.com/) > I have an earlier Model "C" that looks similar. Mine has a Bendix mag. > Mike Semanoff > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 10 06:47:32 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:47:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A bigger pick up truck for hauling engines? References: <410-22005341033111656@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I'm a lookin' for an old iron hauler, but I think the BOSS would probably rule this one out. It would be a show stopper tho. Whew!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "sel" Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 8:31 PM Subject: [SEL] A bigger pick up truck for hauling engines? > Hook up a trailer to this pick up and how many engines do you think you > could take to a show? > > http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.internationaldelivers.com/assets/news/Articles/images/cxt-red-2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.internationaldelivers.com/site_layout/news/newsdetail.asp%3Fid%3D595&h=400&w=400&sz=95&tbnid=q6wDjnWn2UEJ:&tbnh=120&tbnw=120&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dinternational%2Bpick%2Bup%2Btruck%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG > > > Tim Christoff > Basehor KS. > tchristoff at earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 07:34:35 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:34:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Universal GenSet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f602516050310073477570b99@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:24:36 -0700, Richard Strobel > Does anyone know which position of the advance/retard lever is retard...up > or down? Don't need any excitement regarding that proceedure:-) I'll have a look tonight and report back, assuming someone else hasn't already let you know. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Mar 10 08:14:11 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:14:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A bigger pick up truck for hauling engines? In-Reply-To: References: <410-22005341033111656@earthlink.net> Message-ID: My boss thought it was pretty cool, but I don't think she'd approve of the price. John On Mar 10, 2005, at 9:47 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > I'm a lookin' for an old iron hauler, but I think the BOSS would > probably > rule this one out. It would be a show stopper tho. Whew!! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From andyglines at hotmail.com Thu Mar 10 11:17:01 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:17:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: <200503101100.j2AB08tr032073@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: I can't think of any type of rotary mag which does not impulse even on my 1cly Wisconsins. The impulse also retards the spark for starting. If you crank it and it does fire the spark my be to early and cause it to kick back. Older farmalls had an impulse which had to be set manually. If you forgot to set the impulse and went to cranking you might get the snot knocked out of you! If your mag has a lever for retard/advance make sure it is set correctly. I think the full retard actually grounds the mag killing the spark. Remember, give that crank plenty of room, only pull up, & don't wrap your thumb around the crank. You want it to pull out of your hand should it kick back. >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:22:53 -0700 >From: "Richard Strobel" >Subject: [SEL] Universal GenSet >To: "SEL email discussion list" , > "Corky and Judy Harris" >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Howdy all; >Had a nice engine days yesterday. Went across town and brought home what >we >consider a pretty nice barn freshe "Universal Engine" hooked up to a D.C. >Generator/Dynamo. The PO Mr. Bud Johnson said that they used it for a >backup battery charger for the ore carts in the 1940's. Pretty good shape >and it's all there. Came out of a silver mine and he says there's more >iron >up there..too much snow now to go and look. > > Problem is, no spark out of the Dixie mag. Is this an impulse mag? If >so >I've got some tinkering to do. He also had the mag apart and forgot to >install the magnets the first time he worked on it. Aaarrghhh, we know >what >that means :-)), but luckily still have the friends magnet recharger. > >Here's the Webshots album; and of course "it ran when he parked it." (vbg) >Could also use a manual or whatever's available. > >http://community.webshots.com/album/291395326wWDmvi > >We believe it's a 7hp, 4 lunger, 1000 rpm, primer cups on each cylinder. >The big tank is the gas tank. > >Hope ya enjoy >RickinMt. From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Mar 10 11:39:13 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:39:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The old IHC Type L magneto on low-tension M engines contains no impulse or retard mechanism. Lots of small aircooled engines have had flywheel magnetos with no impulse or retard. John On Mar 10, 2005, at 2:17 PM, Andy Glines wrote: > I can't think of any type of rotary mag which does not impulse even on > my 1cly Wisconsins. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Mar 10 12:31:36 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:31:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 References: Message-ID: <001401c525b0$27de5080$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi John the IHC low tension mags are generators, so there's no need for an impulse or retard. Sofar a know there're lots of high tens mags without impulse and I think the impulse ones are in the minority (at old engines). John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > The old IHC Type L magneto on low-tension M engines contains no impulse > or retard mechanism. Lots of small aircooled engines have had flywheel > magnetos with no impulse or retard. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Mar 10 12:47:16 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:47:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35485.165.206.180.118.1110487636.squirrel@antique-engines.com> You can't even flat out make a "rule" as to number of cylinders or size of engine as the single cylinder LA had an impulse, did it not? But the single FB, the Associated, etc. with rotary did not. MY F20 has an automatic impulse. My regular had a manual set impulse. Bill > The old IHC Type L magneto on low-tension M engines contains no impulse > or retard mechanism. Lots of small aircooled engines have had flywheel > magnetos with no impulse or retard. > > John > > On Mar 10, 2005, at 2:17 PM, Andy Glines wrote: > >> I can't think of any type of rotary mag which does not impulse even on >> my 1cly Wisconsins. > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Thu Mar 10 13:14:25 2005 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:14:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: <35485.165.206.180.118.1110487636.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: My F-20 has automatic impulse, but the timing was controlled by the points which changed when the lever was moved up or down... >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > You can't even flat out make a "rule" as to number of cylinders or size of > engine as the single cylinder LA had an impulse, did it not? > But the single FB, the Associated, etc. with rotary did not. > > MY F20 has an automatic impulse. > My regular had a manual set impulse. > > Bill > > > The old IHC Type L magneto on low-tension M engines contains no impulse > > or retard mechanism. Lots of small aircooled engines have had flywheel > > magnetos with no impulse or retard. > > > > John > > > > On Mar 10, 2005, at 2:17 PM, Andy Glines wrote: > > > >> I can't think of any type of rotary mag which does not impulse even on > >> my 1cly Wisconsins. > > > > > > John Culp > > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Mar 10 13:47:46 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:47:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: References: <35485.165.206.180.118.1110487636.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <36240.165.206.180.118.1110491266.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Yes - pulling clear up kills it, lowering it advances it. The impulse does indeed retard it as well as give a sudden "twist" to increase spark during starting. However, the electric start on my F20 can spin it so fast the impulse kicks out, making it hard to start, so you simply tap the start button enough for about 1 revolution, then it's running. (12v battery, 6v starter) Bill My F-20 has automatic impulse, but the timing was controlled by the points > which changed when the lever was moved up or down... > >>From Andrew at > tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com > engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com > b10730 at hotmail.com > > Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ > http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > >> You can't even flat out make a "rule" as to number of cylinders or size >> of >> engine as the single cylinder LA had an impulse, did it not? >> But the single FB, the Associated, etc. with rotary did not. >> >> MY F20 has an automatic impulse. >> My regular had a manual set impulse. >> >> Bill >> >> > The old IHC Type L magneto on low-tension M engines contains no >> impulse >> > or retard mechanism. Lots of small aircooled engines have had flywheel >> > magnetos with no impulse or retard. >> > >> > John >> > >> > On Mar 10, 2005, at 2:17 PM, Andy Glines wrote: >> > >> >> I can't think of any type of rotary mag which does not impulse even >> on >> >> my 1cly Wisconsins. >> > >> > >> > John Culp >> > Bristol, Tennessee, USA >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 14:13:18 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:13:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Universal GenSet In-Reply-To: <6f602516050310073477570b99@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f602516050310073477570b99@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605031014137fdf5c05@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:34:35 +0000, Listerdiesel wrote: > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:24:36 -0700, Richard Strobel > > > Does anyone know which position of the advance/retard lever is retard...up > > or down? Don't need any excitement regarding that proceedure:-) > > I'll have a look tonight and report back, assuming someone else hasn't > already let you know. > > Peter OK, the way the lever works depends on the rotation/mounting of the magneto. Left hand magneto the lever raises for advance (17 degrees) or lowers for retard (same degrees) Right hand magneto is the opposite. It's a little ambiguous to my mind... If you can see the points and crank the engine over, you should be able to confirm which is which. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 10 14:30:51 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:30:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags In-Reply-To: <001401c525b0$27de5080$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <001401c525b0$27de5080$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Hi John, I've got three engines with rotary high tension mags. The Crossley and the Petter do not have an impulse, and my two cylinder Novo Roller does. See ya, Arnie On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, John Hammink wrote: > Hi John the IHC low tension mags are generators, so there's > no need for an impulse or retard. > Sofar a know there're lots of high tens mags without impulse and > I think the impulse ones are in the minority (at old engines). From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Mar 10 14:56:11 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:56:11 EST Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not. Message-ID: <9b.5af97ecf.2f622a8b@aol.com> In a message dated 3/9/2005 9:37:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: << Now to me this sounds like a helluva good invitation. >> Jeff, There are more and more requests like these to lots of our clubs. Some businesses ask that members come to display their stuff during a special promotion that the business may be having. New forming clubs/town fairs/etc also ask members to come and be a part of their show. Steve Barr could have not said it any better. Bring the invitation to your club meeting. Anyone having a free day can go if they want to participate. I have never gotten a nickel for showing my old junk and of course every time you pull the truck and trailer out of the yard it cost your pocket book. Maybe a free drink or sandwich on occasion. What I have gotten is lots of leads on more junk and made lots of friends. The more shows you go to, the more people you meet and talk to, the more cards you can pass out, the more leads you will get. One of my best times at shows is when I pull my engines into the local car cruise-ins on Saturday nights at the local mall. There might be 200-300 antique cars with big dollar paint jobs, upholstery, etc. The beautiful things sit there doing NOTHING for people to walk around and look. Meanwhile Tom's rusty junk from the early teens is going ka-boom, ka-boom! Of course most car lovers have never heard of a hit and miss engine, let alone heard one running. Guess who has the most people standing around their display all evening asking questions!!!! Have fun displaying where ever and whenever. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Mar 10 15:00:41 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:00:41 EST Subject: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic Message-ID: <8c.2289b8ba.2f622b99@aol.com> In a message dated 3/9/2005 11:52:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, lsain33 at charter.net writes: << My question, has anyone used one of these services or heard anything good or bad about them? >> Larry, Club member has bought a car, truck, tractor on different occasions and had them transported with no trouble from different haulers. He bought these things from the West here to Virginia. Have no idea the names of the haulers he has used. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Thu Mar 10 15:23:38 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:23:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL]An old engine,but still off topic References: Message-ID: <000701c525c8$31b416e0$b1631f40@ibm22761389857> Which part of NW Ohio. I am in Bowling Green. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hunter" To: Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 06:31 Subject: [SEL]An old engine,but still off topic Hi Larry, I live in northwest Oh and am real sure that if you should decide that the "engine" turns out to be too much trouble to retrive that I can gladly relieve you off the burden!!!!! LOL Jim _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Thu Mar 10 16:35:16 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:35:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A bigger pick up truck for hauling engines? In-Reply-To: <410-22005341033111656@earthlink.net> References: <410-22005341033111656@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4230E7C4.9020500@wightman.ca> I read an article on those today. Apparently, the engine won't need rebuilding untill 500,000 miles. If you can afford it, you don't care about fuel consumption too. Still, if my lottery number came through............................ :-) Duncan Tim Christoff wrote: >Hook up a trailer to this pick up and how many engines do you think you could take to a show? > >http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.internationaldelivers.com/assets/news/Articles/images/cxt-red-2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.internationaldelivers.com/site_layout/news/newsdetail.asp%3Fid%3D595&h=400&w=400&sz=95&tbnid=q6wDjnWn2UEJ:&tbnh=120&tbnw=120&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dinternational%2Bpick%2Bup%2Btruck%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG > > >Tim Christoff >Basehor KS. >tchristoff at earthlink.net >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 10 16:40:45 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:40:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags and a big Wahoo!!!!!!! References: <001401c525b0$27de5080$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Well gang, I did the kid next door trick, and she's got spark, not much but enuf to cause that "fine stream pi$$in." and no, I wouldn't let Cork do the cranking . This Dixie 46 does not have an audible impulse unlike the pigs or Wisconsin "V"'s. But of course we are hard of hearin'. We then got pretty excited and put some gas in the carb bowl, pulled the choke and on the 4 pull she fired and ran. Gambling on the retard/advance we went ahead anyway, as I know the dislocated thumb trick. She's a RUNNER and came to life after 50 years. Ya know around three years ago, I was told to trust an old mag although it was a Webster at the time,, and this upholds the theory that mag's are pretty much bullet proof if in reasonably good condition. The magnet would not hold a small screwdriver but had enuf to do the job. We'll go ahead and recharge it anyway. Now we need to find out how to hook up the dynamo and we'll be in tall cotton. Happy campers in Mt.!!!!!!!!!! Cork and Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:30 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags > Hi John, > > I've got three engines with rotary high tension mags. The Crossley and > the Petter do not have an impulse, and my two cylinder Novo Roller does. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, John Hammink wrote: > > > Hi John the IHC low tension mags are generators, so there's > > no need for an impulse or retard. > > Sofar a know there're lots of high tens mags without impulse and > > I think the impulse ones are in the minority (at old engines). > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Mar 10 16:57:53 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:57:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: <001401c525b0$27de5080$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <001401c525b0$27de5080$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <2d77e7239401fcad170357cd2c2eb2f6@chartertn.net> True, John. BTW, the high tension mag on my Fairbanks-Morse ZC 52 has no impulse mechanism or retard. John On Mar 10, 2005, at 3:31 PM, John Hammink wrote: > Hi John the IHC low tension mags are generators, so there's > no need for an impulse or retard. > Sofar a know there're lots of high tens mags without impulse and > I think the impulse ones are in the minority (at old engines). John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Mar 10 17:19:14 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:19:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not, What about insurance? Message-ID: <4230F212.7030905@earthlink.net> Hi all, Thanks for the many comments on this issue. Cleaned the slate so I could try to explain a little better. The reason I wanted the board of directors blessing is liability insurance. As I understand it, our insurance only covers "club" events. My only intention was to get a bunch together to show off iron, but the insurance issue concerns me. If it is not a "club" event, I don't think I would get many to attend because of the lack of insurance. It was never my intention to have the club equipment, sawmill, etc. to this small show. As far as I know all of that is never moved from it's home at a museum where we show it in action each fall. We would need the single rope and stands, fence, and I would gladly haul that and set it up. Comments welcome. Jeff Allen From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 10 17:21:05 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:21:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not. References: <9b.5af97ecf.2f622a8b@aol.com> Message-ID: There ya go Tom!! I was thinking the other day of doing the same thing with our local car clubs. Good'un RickinMt. > > One of my best times at shows is when I pull my engines into the local car > cruise-ins on Saturday nights at the local mall. There might be 200-300 > antique > cars with big dollar paint jobs, upholstery, etc. The beautiful things > sit > there doing NOTHING for people to walk around and look. Meanwhile Tom's > rusty > junk from the early teens is going ka-boom, ka-boom! Of course most car > lovers have never heard of a hit and miss engine, let alone heard one > running. > Guess who has the most people standing around their display all evening > asking > questions!!!! > > Have fun displaying where ever and whenever. > > > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From clemsweller at earthlink.net Thu Mar 10 17:25:41 2005 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:25:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic In-Reply-To: <016501c52542$123db3b0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Message-ID: <000001c525d9$45e23230$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Larry, Did you ever find a transport company? A friend of mine has bought an MG Midget from Minnesota and is trying to find a company to haul it to Indianapolis. Didn't see too many responses online, but thought it would be worth picking your brain. Chuck Emsweller clemsweller at earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Sain Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:24 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic Hi All, It's a little slow on the list and I'm in need of some off topic information. Given the experience of the list, someone can help me I'm sure. I bought an old engine, a 4-cylinder flathead. Unfortunately, it's in Michigan and I'm in Cat Square, North Carolina. It's also enclosed in a 1930 Model A Ford sedan. Given the cost of fuel, renting a U-Haul auto transport and two days off to do it myself, I can get a professional auto transport company to bring it to me for another couple hundred bucks. My question, has anyone used one of these services or heard anything good or bad about them? Answer off-list if you want and I apologize for the off-topic question. Thanks. Larry Sain in North Carolina _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 10 17:27:12 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:27:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ Message-ID: Purposely destroying a catalog??? Now this one's got me a litte hot...and it's a GAL!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3879209473 But I've had a red butt before so no big deal:-)) RickinMt. From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Mar 10 17:56:29 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:56:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags and a big Wahoo!!!!!!! References: <001401c525b0$27de5080$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <006901c525dd$8bd4b3e0$dcecf504@x8h7l9> Congratulations Rick. It must feel good. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Corky and Judy Harris" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags and a big Wahoo!!!!!!! > Well gang, I did the kid next door trick, and she's got spark, not much but > enuf to cause that "fine stream pi$$in." and no, I wouldn't let Cork do the > cranking . This Dixie 46 does not have an audible impulse unlike the > pigs or Wisconsin "V"'s. But of course we are hard of hearin'. We then got > pretty excited and put some gas in the carb bowl, pulled the choke and on > the 4 pull she fired and ran. Gambling on the retard/advance we went ahead > anyway, as I know the dislocated thumb trick. > > She's a RUNNER and came to life after 50 years. Ya know around three > years ago, I was told to trust an old mag although it was a Webster at the > time,, and this upholds the theory that mag's are pretty much bullet proof > if in reasonably good condition. The magnet would not hold a small > screwdriver but had enuf to do the job. We'll go ahead and recharge it > anyway. > > Now we need to find out how to hook up the dynamo and we'll be in tall > cotton. > > Happy campers in Mt.!!!!!!!!!! > Cork and Rick > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:30 PM > Subject: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags > > > > Hi John, > > > > I've got three engines with rotary high tension mags. The Crossley and > > the Petter do not have an impulse, and my two cylinder Novo Roller does. > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, John Hammink wrote: > > > > > Hi John the IHC low tension mags are generators, so there's > > > no need for an impulse or retard. > > > Sofar a know there're lots of high tens mags without impulse and > > > I think the impulse ones are in the minority (at old engines). > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rexhinz at chorus.net Thu Mar 10 18:06:28 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:06:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] My latest engine Message-ID: <000c01c525de$f25a51a0$2186a5d8@mycomputer> Hi all ; Just got my Economy engine I got on Ebay , Its a 2-1/2 hp model E 1918, it is almost complete just missing the plug wire and valve lock, it was located in nebraska and a truck driver friend picked it up for me and brought it back to Baraboo, It is well used but very restorable , the cam gears are all but worn out and the exhaust push rod worn ,it has a Wico EK mag and it is hot but the push rod is worn enough it tilys to the outside and misses the trip finger on the mag , I have it completly disassembled now and all else seems to be in very good shape, I hopr to have it restored and running by the Badger Steam and Gas show in Aug, I will put som pics up on webshots soon , I will most likley need some help from you experts setting up the mag trip and timing when I reassemble it, Rex Hinz From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 10 18:43:41 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:43:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] My latest engine References: <000c01c525de$f25a51a0$2186a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: Good one Rex!! Here's the flywheel timing mark on my 1918 5hp and you might want to hit fwd for a few more hints: http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/55799872OdCMtw On the top of the compression stroke it should line up with the top (I believe) of the exhaust push rod. This is when the spark occurs. As far as retard/advance on a EK, I'm not sure as I have a Webster. And the flywheel is turning CW when looking at the mag. Also, I don't remember seeing any timing marks on the cam or crank gear. The Herc gang can certainly help with that one. Good Luck...hope this helped a little. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 7:06 PM Subject: [SEL] My latest engine > Hi all ; > > Just got my Economy engine I got on Ebay , Its a 2-1/2 hp model E 1918, > it > is almost complete just missing the plug wire and valve lock, it was > located > in nebraska and a truck driver friend picked it up for me and brought it > back to Baraboo, It is well used but very restorable , the cam gears are > all but worn out and the exhaust push rod worn ,it has a Wico EK mag and > it > is hot but the push rod is worn enough it tilys to the outside and misses > the trip finger on the mag , I have it completly disassembled now and all > else seems to be in very good shape, I hopr to have it restored and > running > by the Badger Steam and Gas show in Aug, > I will put som pics up on webshots soon , I will most likley need some > help > from you experts setting up the mag trip and timing when I reassemble it, > > Rex Hinz > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 10 18:50:51 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:50:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags and a big Wahoo!!!!!!! References: <001401c525b0$27de5080$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <006901c525dd$8bd4b3e0$dcecf504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: Yes it did Ed. High 5's goin' all over the place. Nothing looks broke and only cleanup is needed. It does have a snowmobile muffler on it, but looks pretty good IMO. This is our first Barn Freshe and will only get cleaned up and shined...oh and a decent friendly cart built. Gotta figure out some cooling also. They did come with a fan and radiator on some models, but will probably go with some kind of convection gizmo..it does have a belt driven water pump. Just read where a Universal GenSet went to North Pole with Byrd. Thanks Ed Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "ED" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags and a big Wahoo!!!!!!! > Congratulations Rick. It must feel good. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Cc: "Corky and Judy Harris" > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 7:40 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags and a big Wahoo!!!!!!! > > > > Well gang, I did the kid next door trick, and she's got spark, not much > but > > enuf to cause that "fine stream pi$$in." and no, I wouldn't let Cork do > the > > cranking . This Dixie 46 does not have an audible impulse unlike > > the > > pigs or Wisconsin "V"'s. But of course we are hard of hearin'. We then > got > > pretty excited and put some gas in the carb bowl, pulled the choke and > > on > > the 4 pull she fired and ran. Gambling on the retard/advance we went > ahead > > anyway, as I know the dislocated thumb trick. > > > > She's a RUNNER and came to life after 50 years. Ya know around three > > years ago, I was told to trust an old mag although it was a Webster at > > the > > time,, and this upholds the theory that mag's are pretty much bullet > > proof > > if in reasonably good condition. The magnet would not hold a small > > screwdriver but had enuf to do the job. We'll go ahead and recharge it > > anyway. > > > > Now we need to find out how to hook up the dynamo and we'll be in tall > > cotton. > > > > Happy campers in Mt.!!!!!!!!!! > > Cork and Rick > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Arnie Fero" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:30 PM > > Subject: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags > > > > > > > Hi John, > > > > > > I've got three engines with rotary high tension mags. The Crossley > > > and > > > the Petter do not have an impulse, and my two cylinder Novo Roller > > > does. > > > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, John Hammink wrote: > > > > > > > Hi John the IHC low tension mags are generators, so there's > > > > no need for an impulse or retard. > > > > Sofar a know there're lots of high tens mags without impulse and > > > > I think the impulse ones are in the minority (at old engines). > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rexhinz at chorus.net Thu Mar 10 18:58:20 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:58:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic References: <000001c525d9$45e23230$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <002801c525e6$31509e80$2186a5d8@mycomputer> Try www.packshipusa.com the said they would haul my engine from Kenesaw Ne. to Baraboo for $183.00 , I didn't use them but it would cost more in fuel to go there myself its around 700 miles one way Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 7:25 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic > Larry, > > Did you ever find a transport company? A friend of mine has bought an > MG Midget from Minnesota and is trying to find a company to haul it to > Indianapolis. Didn't see too many responses online, but thought it > would be worth picking your brain. > > Chuck Emsweller > clemsweller at earthlink.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Sain > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:24 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic > > Hi All, > > It's a little slow on the list and I'm in need of some off topic > information. Given the experience of the list, someone can help me I'm > sure. I bought an old engine, a 4-cylinder flathead. Unfortunately, > it's in Michigan and I'm in Cat Square, North Carolina. It's also > enclosed in a 1930 Model A Ford sedan. Given the cost of fuel, renting > a U-Haul auto transport and two days off to do it myself, I can get a > professional auto transport company to bring it to me for another couple > hundred bucks. My question, has anyone used one of these services or > heard anything good or bad about them? Answer off-list if you want and > I apologize for the off-topic question. Thanks. > > Larry Sain in North Carolina > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Bimjy at hotmail.com Thu Mar 10 19:42:49 2005 From: Bimjy at hotmail.com (Jim Hunter) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:42:49 -0500 Subject: [sel]An old engine,but still ot Message-ID: I am from Carey,O. A mere 45 minutes from BG!! Small world huh? It's cool to hear that a fellow addictee lives so close. Did you go to Findlay show last year? I took a motorbike ride to BG last year to show at the historical society show. Really neat oilfield equipment there. More later on!! Jim From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Thu Mar 10 21:51:09 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:51:09 -0500 Subject: [sel]An old engine,but still ot References: Message-ID: <004001c525fe$54598140$9f601f40@ibm22761389857> We make the Findlay show. Also I blacksmith at the historical society right next to the boiler. Also make Portland, Gibsonburg, Five Point Threshers and Wauseon and some others. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hunter" To: Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 22:42 Subject: re:[sel]An old engine,but still ot I am from Carey,O. A mere 45 minutes from BG!! Small world huh? It's cool to hear that a fellow addictee lives so close. Did you go to Findlay show last year? I took a motorbike ride to BG last year to show at the historical society show. Really neat oilfield equipment there. More later on!! Jim _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Mar 7 01:27:04 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:27:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Oz Auction Report In-Reply-To: <1d9.37ee650f.2f5ccd9c@aol.com> Message-ID: <200503110653.j2B6rb88076761@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I was tempted by the 10hp M except for two things: It was not the correct transport for the engine, I think it had been made up from Famous wheels and some steel channels: & it had been converted to spark plug so was missing all the nice (and expensive to replace) low tension gear. It could have been run on the plug but it is nice to have all the right bits. As with many of the engines the 10hp M had some damage. The fuel pump handle was broken off (but the piece was there) and the fuel pump itself had been snapped in half (again all the bits were there). Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- In a message dated 3/5/2005 4:59:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: << 10hp IHC M portable (95% complete) $1700 >> If it was in decent condition, I would say that was the buy of the day there! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Fri Mar 11 10:33:43 2005 From: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:33:43 Subject: [SEL] re: massey Harris Logo Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050311103343.009c5520@127.0.0.1> Hi all Thanks for the help. Look here for the result - comments welcome. www.oldengine.org/members/evans/mh.htm Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From clemsweller at earthlink.net Fri Mar 11 02:13:39 2005 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 05:13:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic In-Reply-To: <002801c525e6$31509e80$2186a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <001201c52623$0224bc80$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Thanks. We'll give that a try. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:58 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic Try www.packshipusa.com the said they would haul my engine from Kenesaw Ne. to Baraboo for $183.00 , I didn't use them but it would cost more in fuel to go there myself its around 700 miles one way Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 7:25 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic > Larry, > > Did you ever find a transport company? A friend of mine has bought an > MG Midget from Minnesota and is trying to find a company to haul it to > Indianapolis. Didn't see too many responses online, but thought it > would be worth picking your brain. > > Chuck Emsweller > clemsweller at earthlink.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Sain > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:24 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] An old engine, but still Off-Topic > > Hi All, > > It's a little slow on the list and I'm in need of some off topic > information. Given the experience of the list, someone can help me I'm > sure. I bought an old engine, a 4-cylinder flathead. Unfortunately, > it's in Michigan and I'm in Cat Square, North Carolina. It's also > enclosed in a 1930 Model A Ford sedan. Given the cost of fuel, renting > a U-Haul auto transport and two days off to do it myself, I can get a > professional auto transport company to bring it to me for another couple > hundred bucks. My question, has anyone used one of these services or > heard anything good or bad about them? Answer off-list if you want and > I apologize for the off-topic question. Thanks. > > Larry Sain in North Carolina > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Fri Mar 11 04:03:02 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:03:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] re: massey Harris Logo In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20050311103343.009c5520@127.0.0.1> References: <3.0.6.32.20050311103343.009c5520@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <423188F6.70702@wightman.ca> lLooks fine on this end Jerry. I would have no problem putting it on my engine. And I did walk out to the garage and compare. lol Duncan Jerry Evans wrote: >Hi all > Thanks for the help. Look here for the result - comments welcome. >www.oldengine.org/members/evans/mh.htm >Best regards >Jerry Evans. >Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery > >Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery >Alternative ! >We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack >/ Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss >(FDISK). >We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. >Visit our site: >http://www.databak.co.za >Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 >Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 >eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za >Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa > > > > > > >--- >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From Bimjy at hotmail.com Fri Mar 11 03:12:54 2005 From: Bimjy at hotmail.com (Jim Hunter) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:12:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] {sel]An old engine,butstill ot Message-ID: Well, then we have already unofficially met! I watched you work your magic at BG! . You made it look real easy!!I,m sure that it gets darn,d hot in that building as the day goes on. It's great that you are displaying your trade like that as I and many many others I,m sure really enjoy seeing how it's done. We made Findlay,Portland, and Wyandot County Fair last year. Hope to go more this year! I hear Wausean is cool show. When is that? Jim Hunter From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri Mar 11 03:29:20 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:29:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] re: massey Harris Logo References: <3.0.6.32.20050311103343.009c5520@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <000701c5262d$917b5510$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Jerry, you made the same mistake as a few days ago. The file address is from your HD. Be calm :o) John H. > Hi all > Thanks for the help. Look here for the result - comments welcome. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/mh.htm > Best regards > Jerry Evans. > Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery /sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Mar 11 04:27:40 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 05:27:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me Message-ID: Howdy again.. appreciate all the comebacks to my posts on the Universal Engine!! Would someone please ID this little jewel? Sorry about the bad picture..please don't look at it too long:-)) http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466611bNifnx And here's a pretty kewl shingle mill that we're trying for. http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466689rkiFQV Thanks much gang RickinMt. From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Mar 11 04:34:05 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:34:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not, What about insurance? In-Reply-To: <4230F212.7030905@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Some might think I'm stupid for saying this, but it is my opinion. I'm not concerned with insurance. I'll go and run my junk and not live in fear. If it was mandatory to have insurance and I had to prove it, I'd stay at home and run my junk. I run my Rumely at one show and the insurance thought never crosses my mind, having a good time and giving people rides certainly does. One old timer need quite a bit of help to get up on the platform. I cannot use words to describe what a great time he and I had, and how much it meant to him. A thousand and one things could have happned while he was on it ro even getting on it. Some might remember my big air blowers I hauled around last year. Anybody could have stuck their arm inside one of them and probably had it chewed off. Never worried about insurance. I was always in control of the equipment and could have grabbed anybody by the shirt collar to tell them to stay away. Never had to. If someone did get hurt and wanted to sue to pants off me, go ahead, I won't have 'anything' when it is time to pay up and even if I had to 'pay up' it is only stuff. Whether it is my engines or cash. It's still only stuff. It's all replaceable. This topic comes up every so often and some will be concerned with insurance and some won't, that won't ever change. I'm one of the ones that chooses to not be worried about insurance. My opinion/comments for what it's worth. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA >From: Jeff Allen > >Hi all, > >Thanks for the many comments on this issue. Cleaned the slate so I could >try to explain a little better. > >The reason I wanted the board of directors blessing is liability insurance. >As I understand it, our insurance only covers "club" events. My only >intention was to get a bunch together to show off iron, but the insurance >issue concerns me. If it is not a "club" event, I don't think I would get >many to attend because of the lack of insurance. > >It was never my intention to have the club equipment, sawmill, etc. to this >small show. As far as I know all of that is never moved from it's home at a >museum where we show it in action each fall. We would need the single rope >and stands, fence, and I would gladly haul that and set it up. > >Comments welcome. > >Jeff Allen From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 11 06:47:04 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:47:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Showing engines, What about insurance? EDGE&TA!! In-Reply-To: <20050311030229.21865.qmail@web81406.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050311030229.21865.qmail@web81406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Craig, On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Craig Mathews wrote: > As Membership Chairman for our club, I have attended some private > shows, and according to EDGE&TA rules, if I send it in 30+ days prior, > we are covered. If your not with EDGE&TA, it may be different. But I > have never experienced any issues other than a show coming up earlier > than 30 days, that we could attend as a club. I was going to make the same suggestion to Jeff; namely that he join EDGE&TA. Best damn insurance deal there is. Our club has done that for years. One question.... I thought EDGE&TA had dropped the "prior notification" requirement (either last year, or for this show season) as being silly and of no value. Are you certain that this is still required by EDGE&TA? Dave Rotigel is our club secretary and is the one who deals with EDGE&TA. Perhaps he'll weigh in when he returns from the Zolfo Springs show. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri Mar 11 06:46:43 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:46:43 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me References: Message-ID: <001501c52649$24413b10$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hey Rick, what are you doing? Looks like Gorky and you will become Museum Directors :o)) John H. > Howdy again.. appreciate all the comebacks to my posts on the Universal > Engine!! > > Would someone please ID this little jewel? Sorry about the bad > picture..please don't look at it too long:-)) > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466611bNifnx > > And here's a pretty kewl shingle mill that we're trying for. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466689rkiFQV > > Thanks much gang > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri Mar 11 07:27:39 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:27:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Showing engines, What about insurance? EDGE&TA!! References: <20050311030229.21865.qmail@web81406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004601c5264e$dc9c42e0$9235ef18@pengy> Arnie, What are the dues for joining the Fort Allen EDGETA branch? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: Cc: "Dave Rotigel" ; "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:47 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Showing engines, What about insurance? EDGE&TA!! > Hi Craig, > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Craig Mathews wrote: > >> As Membership Chairman for our club, I have attended some private >> shows, and according to EDGE&TA rules, if I send it in 30+ days prior, >> we are covered. If your not with EDGE&TA, it may be different. But I >> have never experienced any issues other than a show coming up earlier >> than 30 days, that we could attend as a club. > > I was going to make the same suggestion to Jeff; namely that he join > EDGE&TA. Best damn insurance deal there is. Our club has done that for > years. > > One question.... I thought EDGE&TA had dropped the "prior notification" > requirement (either last year, or for this show season) as being silly and > of no value. Are you certain that this is still required by EDGE&TA? > > Dave Rotigel is our club secretary and is the one who deals with EDGE&TA. > Perhaps he'll weigh in when he returns from the Zolfo Springs show. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri Mar 11 07:29:16 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:29:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Showing engines, What about insurance? EDGE&TA!! References: <20050311030229.21865.qmail@web81406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004901c5264f$16282a10$9235ef18@pengy> I was reading the insurance page and the requirement is dropped for members attending shows but they still have to be notified prior to a branch sponsored event. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: Cc: "Dave Rotigel" ; "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:47 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Showing engines, What about insurance? EDGE&TA!! > Hi Craig, > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Craig Mathews wrote: > >> As Membership Chairman for our club, I have attended some private >> shows, and according to EDGE&TA rules, if I send it in 30+ days prior, >> we are covered. If your not with EDGE&TA, it may be different. But I >> have never experienced any issues other than a show coming up earlier >> than 30 days, that we could attend as a club. > > I was going to make the same suggestion to Jeff; namely that he join > EDGE&TA. Best damn insurance deal there is. Our club has done that for > years. > > One question.... I thought EDGE&TA had dropped the "prior notification" > requirement (either last year, or for this show season) as being silly and > of no value. Are you certain that this is still required by EDGE&TA? > > Dave Rotigel is our club secretary and is the one who deals with EDGE&TA. > Perhaps he'll weigh in when he returns from the Zolfo Springs show. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Mar 11 07:29:50 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:29:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me References: <001501c52649$24413b10$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: We will definetly have a public museum John..just as soon as I trade in the motorhome and get the room. Hopefully line shaft operating blacksmith machinery and the whole nine yards. Re: the first post...it's a dishpan isn't it?? Take care pard, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery engine to me > Hey Rick, what are you doing? > Looks like Gorky and you will become Museum Directors :o)) > > John H. > > > > > Howdy again.. appreciate all the comebacks to my posts on the > > Universal > > Engine!! > > > > Would someone please ID this little jewel? Sorry about the bad > > picture..please don't look at it too long:-)) > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466611bNifnx > > > > And here's a pretty kewl shingle mill that we're trying for. > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466689rkiFQV > > > > Thanks much gang > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 11 07:57:48 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:57:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me References: <001501c52649$24413b10$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <003901c52653$1391f200$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > We will definetly have a public museum John..just as soon as I trade in the > motorhome and get the room. Hopefully line shaft operating blacksmith > machinery and the whole nine yards. > goat-dog treadmill !!!! Sell goat butter to tourists do you get those ? http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0803298080.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg > Re: the first post...it's a dishpan isn't it?? > the plugs in the right spot but the hopper hole Im used to seeing on those has no lip chuck balyeat From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 11 08:25:24 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:25:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Showing engines, What about insurance? EDGE&TA!! In-Reply-To: <004601c5264e$dc9c42e0$9235ef18@pengy> References: <20050311030229.21865.qmail@web81406.mail.yahoo.com> <004601c5264e$dc9c42e0$9235ef18@pengy> Message-ID: Hi Rick, I think its $12 per year for club membership including the EDGE&TA insurance, but I'm not certain. I've emailed Dave cos I've tossed my recent newsletter that had the dues info. Whatever it is, it's REALLY cheap! See ya, Arnie PS - We are open to members from all over the world. I think we currently have members in England and Oz. They don't attend many meetings though... On Fri, 11 Mar 2005, Tod Engine wrote: > What are the dues for joining the Fort Allen EDGETA branch? From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 11 08:31:05 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:31:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] EDGE&TA Reporting Requirements Message-ID: Hiya Folks, Dave just forwarded this link to the EDGE&TA Reporting Requirements. http://www.edgeta.org/eventsreporting.asp The only thing that needs to be reported are the events that the club is sponsoring. So if you are putting on a show, you need to tell EDGE&TA a week in advance. If you are ATTENDING a show, there is NO prior notice required. That was my understanding. Hope that clarifies things for everyone. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Mar 11 07:52:45 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:52:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not, What about insurance? Message-ID: <20050311.112714.828.8.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Luke, I feel the same way you do about the insurance issue. (Except where you make the statement about being able to grab someone by the shirt collar and tell them to stay back.) I've gone to several shows that, on their flyer, say "Proof of Insurance Required" and no one has ever asked for proof of insurance. I have insurance through EDGE&TA for what it's worth. I run my junk and "try" to keep an eye on everything, and everyone, at once. The people that scare me most are the ones that want to enter your area and bull crap while standing too close to a piece of running equipment. They're clothes getting caught is my main concern. I don't carry ropes & stanchions but, I made some up for a couple shows. Mostly because I want to reserve a spot for myself or a friend but also to keep people at bay. Some shows put up ropes. Some don't. But the talk of insurance has stopped me from taking some equipment to a few shows. After the Medina, OH explosion my main show, Tri-State Historical Steam, has discontinued showing because insurance prices got too high and the coverage was minimal. We tried incorporating with a local fair but they wouldn't insure "steam", so that idea was scraped and the organization folded. More than anything else I believe we need to get the Lawyers & Judges to come back down to earth and quit making people rich by their own stupidity. Yes, you can run your junk at home but, I don't think there's a lot of fun in that. Without people to watch and ask questions and bull crap with and, buy & sell a few small things, not to mention the comradery of it all, there's not much fun in holding a "one man show" in your back yard. So - - - Run what ya brung - - - Have a good time - - - Use your head and hope no one gets hurt. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 11 10:18:25 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:18:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not, What about insurance? In-Reply-To: <20050311.112714.828.8.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050311.112714.828.8.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, Besides that way Silvia wouldn't get hugs & kisses from strange, furry guys. 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - Don't forget the Hammer In and Plow Days is April 30 - May 1 at West Overton. I'm looking forward to Silvia being there. 8-)) On Fri, 11 Mar 2005, Joseph L Betz wrote: > Yes, you can run your junk at home but, I don't think there's a lot of > fun in that. Without people to watch and ask questions and bull crap > with and, buy & sell a few small things, not to mention the comradery of > it all, there's not much fun in holding a "one man show" in your back > yard. From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri Mar 11 10:30:52 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:30:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags In-Reply-To: <200503111100.j2BB0Cq5025819@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: > 16. Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags (Arnie Fero) >> >Message: 16 >Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:30:51 -0500 (EST) >From: Arnie Fero >Subject: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >Hi John, > >I've got three engines with rotary high tension mags. The Crossley and >the Petter do not have an impulse, and my two cylinder Novo Roller does. > >See ya, Arnie > I certainly didn't mean to speak as though I were an authority on the subject. I was only drawing from my own, albeit limited, experience. Arnie, do you have to do anything special when starting the engines sans impulse? Like was already stated impulse on a mag is an aid for safer/easier starting. Maybe I will get to see one at SIAM this summer. I am a FATG but read this list so that I can learn about engines. I learned something new today. BTW When I mentioned 1 cylinder Wisconsins I was thinking of the air cooled version that you would find on an antique garden tractor or pump. I have three of them and they all have external mags and all have impulse. I meant to exlude the ones with flywheel mags i.e. Briggs & Stratton. From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Mar 11 10:53:48 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:53:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Like was already stated impulse on a mag is an aid for safer/easier > starting. Yep. Mags with no impulse are a reason some engines aren't readily startable without the use of a crank. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Mar 11 11:39:21 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:39:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50741.165.206.180.118.1110569961.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Exactly - so we belt them up to a Maytag and use it as a pony motor to start the larger engine.......... I DO use an electric Maytag motor belted to the flat pulley to start my Associated with that cool but funky rotary mag mounted up the backside. Bill >> Like was already stated impulse on a mag is an aid for safer/easier >> starting. > > Yep. Mags with no impulse are a reason some engines aren't readily > startable without the use of a crank. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Mar 11 12:41:12 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:41:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me References: Message-ID: <002101c5267b$2962c960$0301a8c0@Reg> Looks like a Lauson to me. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:27 PM Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me > Howdy again.. appreciate all the comebacks to my posts on the Universal > Engine!! > > Would someone please ID this little jewel? Sorry about the bad > picture..please don't look at it too long:-)) > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466611bNifnx > > And here's a pretty kewl shingle mill that we're trying for. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466689rkiFQV > > Thanks much gang > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Mar 11 12:44:39 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:44:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not, What about insurance? References: Message-ID: <002201c5267b$29bfdd80$0301a8c0@Reg> Hi Luke.I made a similar statement a couple of years back. (That I would be quite happy to show my models without insurance) abd all hell broke loose!!! My club tried to get me thrown out and the lines of pure hate still run hot. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:34 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Showing engines or not, What about insurance? > Some might think I'm stupid for saying this, but it is my opinion. I'm not > concerned with insurance. I'll go and run my junk and not live in fear. If > it was mandatory to have insurance and I had to prove it, I'd stay at home > and run my junk. I run my Rumely at one show and the insurance thought > never crosses my mind, having a good time and giving people rides certainly > does. One old timer need quite a bit of help to get up on the platform. I > cannot use words to describe what a great time he and I had, and how much it > meant to him. A thousand and one things could have happned while he was on > it ro even getting on it. Some might remember my big air blowers I hauled > around last year. Anybody could have stuck their arm inside one of them and > probably had it chewed off. Never worried about insurance. I was always in > control of the equipment and could have grabbed anybody by the shirt collar > to tell them to stay away. Never had to. If someone did get hurt and wanted > to sue to pants off me, go ahead, I won't have 'anything' when it is time to > pay up and even if I had to 'pay up' it is only stuff. Whether it is my > engines or cash. It's still only stuff. It's all replaceable. This topic > comes up every so often and some will be concerned with insurance and some > won't, that won't ever change. I'm one of the ones that chooses to not be > worried about insurance. My opinion/comments for what it's worth. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > >From: Jeff Allen > > > >Hi all, > > > >Thanks for the many comments on this issue. Cleaned the slate so I could > >try to explain a little better. > > > >The reason I wanted the board of directors blessing is liability insurance. > >As I understand it, our insurance only covers "club" events. My only > >intention was to get a bunch together to show off iron, but the insurance > >issue concerns me. If it is not a "club" event, I don't think I would get > >many to attend because of the lack of insurance. > > > >It was never my intention to have the club equipment, sawmill, etc. to this > >small show. As far as I know all of that is never moved from it's home at a > >museum where we show it in action each fall. We would need the single rope > >and stands, fence, and I would gladly haul that and set it up. > > > >Comments welcome. > > > >Jeff Allen > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 11 12:59:59 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:59:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Rotary & Impulse Mags In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Andy, Since I just have the two engines with rotary mags, my experience here is limited. But let me tell you how I start both. After the normal prep stuff, both are given a priming charge and are turned back against compression at the end of the exhaust stroke. The reason for that is to get maximum turns on the flywheel before you get ignition. The two engines are a 5 hp Petter M and a 7 hp Crossley 1070PE. Each is started with a hand crank. The Petter usually is turned through two or three full cycles before it hits and when it does it throws the hand crank (which looks like a disembowling hook) free of the gov weights cover where it engages. For the Crossley, it has a half-compression cam and a retard lever on the mag. It also has VERY heavy electric flywheels. That one is usually turned through 4 or 5 cycles before it fires reliably or before I poop out. That beast is a lot to turn over fast!! When it hits, its a little "softer" than the Petter and the crank comes off the crankshaft very smoothly. The inertia of the moving flywheels is enough to prevent a kick-back. Hope that helps. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 11 Mar 2005, Andy Glines wrote: > >I've got three engines with rotary high tension mags. The Crossley and > >the Petter do not have an impulse, and my two cylinder Novo Roller does. > > > I certainly didn't mean to speak as though I were an authority on the > subject. I was only drawing from my own, albeit limited, experience. > Arnie, do you have to do anything special when starting the engines sans > impulse? Like was already stated impulse on a mag is an aid for > safer/easier starting. From markshattuck at ntelos.net Fri Mar 11 13:32:16 2005 From: markshattuck at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:32:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me In-Reply-To: <002101c5267b$2962c960$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <200503112132.j2BLWIi03074@mailrtr01.ntelos.net> Looks like a Fairbanks Morris model Z to me Mark L Shattuck -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Reg Ingold Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 3:41 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery engine to me Looks like a Lauson to me. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:27 PM Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me > Howdy again.. appreciate all the comebacks to my posts on the Universal > Engine!! > > Would someone please ID this little jewel? Sorry about the bad > picture..please don't look at it too long:-)) > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466611bNifnx > > And here's a pretty kewl shingle mill that we're trying for. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466689rkiFQV > > Thanks much gang > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Mar 11 13:38:53 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:38:53 EST Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not, What about insurance? Message-ID: <156.4cab5965.2f6369ed@aol.com> In a message dated 3/10/2005 8:53:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: << The reason I wanted the board of directors blessing is liability insurance. >> Jeff, Your homeowners policy covers you when you are showing your wares as a hobby. As long as you are not charging people to see your stuff as a business for profit the homeowners policy will cover any and all shows you go to. If greatly concerned then up your policy to $1M liability. It is cheap coverage when added to your homeowners policy. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Mar 11 13:49:39 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:49:39 EST Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ Message-ID: In a message dated 3/10/2005 8:53:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << Purposely destroying a catalog??? Now this one's got me a litte hot...and it's a GAL!! >> Is there any difference in this and Ken Meeks taking apart every engine he gets and selling parts? Every time he takes one apart, it is an engine lost forever. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri Mar 11 14:00:05 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:00:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050311220005.71718.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> I agree with Reg on the Lauson... Here is an Alpha Delavel (different tag) built by Lauson You can see that this one is missing the wico mag bracket and tag. It was purchased for a local Boy Scouts group for their engine project...mag and bracket were purchased at a swap meet. They have ~$500 into the project. Not bad for an engine on a cart that runs. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/2004PoloIL/14.JPG Steve > > Looks like a Lauson to me. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > > > Howdy again.. appreciate all the comebacks to my posts on the > Universal Engine!! > > Would someone please ID this little jewel? Sorry about the bad > picture..please don't look at it too long:-)) > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466611bNifnx > > > Thanks much gang > RickinMt. From Bimjy at hotmail.com Fri Mar 11 14:00:58 2005 From: Bimjy at hotmail.com (Jim Hunter) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:00:58 -0500 Subject: [sel]An old engine,but still ot Message-ID: I sure do know what you mean about the precious part! Dad has 4 A's and a T. What great pieces of american history. Still rather drive my tractor though!! From Vivas1993 at aol.com Fri Mar 11 14:09:36 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:09:36 EST Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me Message-ID: Hi Rick, I'm pretty sure it's a Lauson 1 1/2hp. There's on on ebay right now. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3880005280& rd=1 Hope your gonna add it to your ever growing collection ! Take care, Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Mar 11 14:17:05 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:17:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me References: <200503112132.j2BLWIi03074@mailrtr01.ntelos.net> Message-ID: Well thanks guys, guess I'd better get back up there and crawl thru the rubble and check her out. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark L Shattuck" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Mystery engine to me > Looks like a Fairbanks Morris model Z to me > Mark L Shattuck > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Reg Ingold > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 3:41 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery engine to me > > Looks like a Lauson to me. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:27 PM > Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me > > > > Howdy again.. appreciate all the comebacks to my posts on the > > Universal > > Engine!! > > > > Would someone please ID this little jewel? Sorry about the bad > > picture..please don't look at it too long:-)) > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466611bNifnx > > > > And here's a pretty kewl shingle mill that we're trying for. > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466689rkiFQV > > > > Thanks much gang > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Mar 11 14:25:22 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:25:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42321AD2.6060207@fidnet.com> My first thought was a dishpan Fairbanks, but as Chuck said, it has no lip on the hopper opening and it looks like it has a Wico mag. I think the dishpans were battery and coil. Is there any sign of a mounting for a battery box on the offside? Gary Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy again.. appreciate all the comebacks to my posts on the Universal > Engine!! > > Would someone please ID this little jewel? Sorry about the bad > picture..please don't look at it too long:-)) > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466611bNifnx > > And here's a pretty kewl shingle mill that we're trying for. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/292466689rkiFQV > > Thanks much gang > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Mar 11 14:33:40 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:33:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ References: Message-ID: I'd say they were in the same ballpark. After all we're just borrower's for a very short time..(stolen, but agree). I emailed the dude and gave him my thot's. Now I'm not against parting one out if it's a basket case and that has some variables also. Criminal, jus Criminal!! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ > In a message dated 3/10/2005 8:53:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > > << Purposely destroying a catalog??? Now this one's got me a litte > hot...and > it's a GAL!! >> > > > Is there any difference in this and Ken Meeks taking apart every engine he > gets and selling parts? Every time he takes one apart, it is an engine > lost > forever. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 11 14:44:36 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:44:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Tom, I understand where you're coming from with your concern about parting out an engine. I like to be a little more positive in how I view that. To me what Ken Meeks does is to help resurrect two, or five, or ten, or more "dead engines" whose likely fate was to be a boat anchor, a mailbox, or a flower pot. With Ken's parts, they become running engines that otherwise would have been "lost forever." See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Is there any difference in this and Ken Meeks taking apart every engine he > gets and selling parts? Every time he takes one apart, it is an engine lost > forever. > > Tom Schmutz From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Mar 11 14:34:34 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:34:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] EDGE&TA Message-ID: <20050311.174305.1288.6.jlb94@juno.com> I think its $12 per year for club membership including the EDGE&TA insurance, but I'm not certain. Hi Arnie - I paid $12.00 Ft. Allen Membership - $10.50 EDGE&TA on top of that. And a few hugs for Sylvia from strange furry guys. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From Bimjy at hotmail.com Fri Mar 11 15:20:55 2005 From: Bimjy at hotmail.com (Jim Hunter) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:20:55 -0500 Subject: [sel]Showing engines or not, what about insurance Message-ID: Hi Tom. I assumed my homeowners would cover my stuff but when I finally double checked I found that my policy only covers my stuff at a show if I also use the stuff to help maintain my property in some way!! It's written up so as to cover themselves!!!! Sure glad I checked. Now I purchase a Rider every year for each engine. You may also want to double check just in case! Thanks Jim Hunter From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 11 15:15:37 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:15:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ References: Message-ID: <007a01c52690$3c5b7520$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> to help resurrect two, or five, or ten, or more > "dead engines" whose likely fate was to be a boat anchor, a mailbox, or a > flower pot. >>>>>> Who is the guy .... You know the one , he does the same thing sorta you will be walking the back 40 at the big swaps and there he'll be removing the cylinder from a piston with a 16lb sledge . Jethro something ? Chuck From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Mar 11 16:27:29 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:27:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42323771.5000800@scrtc.com> Right Dwight, here's a manual for it on ebay now as well: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3880410627&rd=1 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Vivas1993 at aol.com wrote: >Hi Rick, > I'm pretty sure it's a Lauson 1 1/2hp. There's on on ebay right now. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3880005280& >rd=1 > > Hope your gonna add it to your ever growing collection ! > Take care, > Dwight Vivas > Matoaca, VA >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Mar 11 16:43:27 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:43:27 -0500 Subject: [sel]Showing engines or not, what about insurance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42323B2F.9010808@scrtc.com> Jim, You're right. Homeowner's policies are written differently by different companies. Each contains their own exclusions and criteria for coverage. Read the policy carefully but it still may be difficult to understand. If you want to know for sure, request that your agent give you a letter stating if your engines / iron is covered under the homeowner's and any exclusions or criteria for coverage. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Jim Hunter wrote: >Hi Tom. I assumed my homeowners would cover my stuff but when I finally double checked I found that my policy only covers my stuff at a show if I also use the stuff to help maintain my property in some way!! It's written up so as to cover themselves!!!! Sure glad I checked. Now I purchase a Rider every year for each engine. You may also want to double check just in case! Thanks Jim Hunter >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Mar 11 16:49:28 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:49:28 -0700 Subject: [sel]Showing engines or not, what about insurance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42323C98.1060603@earthlink.net> Hi all, Thanks for all the great comments and ideas. I'll look into my homeowners insurance and EDGE&TA. Others may take Luke's approach and not worry about it. I have been sued once and it is a very unpleasant experience. Insurance for me. Been pretty down about this for several days. You folks made my day, and I'm off to start planning an engine show. Couldn't have done it without you. Thanks again, Jeff Allen From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Mar 11 16:59:21 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:59:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Carb help wanted Message-ID: <42323EE9.30803@earthlink.net> Hi all, Just got this today. If you can help reply direct to him at: Oldtimetv at aol.com > Hi im interested in restoring a batch of older Briggs,Nelson etc cast > iron engines.Some arent so ancient but I save em from the muncher.I > take any side shaft type.The usual problem is the carburators.The > straight Briggs type are OK but all the bowl types are shot.Is there > any carb rebuilder who can help.In particular a Nelson from the 30s or > 40s .I also need a starting crank like on a model A for the nelson.It > also has a magneto timing lever which points to its age to "prevent' > kick back.Some of my engines have been outside and the carbs are > really toast in some cases but I figure theres always someone who can > do the job.Any help appreciated and Thanks in advance Vaughn Already sent him to the Antique Small Engine site, so no need to duplicate that. Jeff Allen From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Mar 11 17:34:12 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:34:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me References: <42323771.5000800@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Thanks again guys for all the links, pictures and manual. Initially I didn't think it was a dishpan because of the Wico and then I got busy with another project and didn't think about it anymore until my friend brought the picture over. As the BPB is loaned out I didn't have a clue. I knew the hopper opening was wrong for a dishpan as well as the Wico and the strange three bolts holes on the flywheel. You guys are the best and will be going back there real soon. Take care Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery engine to me > Right Dwight, here's a manual for it on ebay now as well: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3880410627&rd=1 > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Vivas1993 at aol.com wrote: > > >Hi Rick, > > I'm pretty sure it's a Lauson 1 1/2hp. There's on on ebay right now. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3880005280& > >rd=1 > > > > Hope your gonna add it to your ever growing collection ! > > Take care, > > Dwight Vivas > > Matoaca, VA > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rwenig at telus.net Fri Mar 11 19:02:23 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:02:23 -0700 Subject: Antique Small Engine site url: was Re: [SEL] Carb help wanted In-Reply-To: <42323EE9.30803@earthlink.net> References: <42323EE9.30803@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42325BBF.30207@telus.net> Hello Jeff, May I get the url for the Antique Small Engine site? I'd like to see what it is about. Thanks in advance. Rupert Jeff Allen wrote: > > Already sent him to the Antique Small Engine site, so no need to > duplicate that. > > Jeff Allen > > _______________________________________________ From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Mar 11 19:13:21 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:13:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050311220847.02689ec0@mail.alltel.net> >Hi Tom, >I understand where you're coming from with your concern about parting out >an engine. I like to be a little more positive in how I view that. To me >what Ken Meeks does is to help resurrect two, or five, or ten, or more >"dead engines" whose likely fate was to be a boat anchor, a mailbox, or a >flower pot. With Ken's parts, they become running engines that otherwise >would have been "lost forever." >See ya, Arnie Hi Arnie, Like Ed at Hit and Miss, Ken is in business to make money--NOT to "help" our hobby. There is simply more money in parts than there is in "whole" engines! Dave PS, I still think the List should censure Curt for making patterns of things that Ed sells to put food on his children's table! From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Mar 11 21:31:33 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:31:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine Gal Message-ID: <42327EB5.7070208@earthlink.net> Hi all, Once all of you made my day better, it went uphill from there. The oldest granddaughter stopped by tonight with one of her friends. My wife and I share the living room space with our nicknacks. One of mine is a model of a Ford 427 SOCH engine. The granddaughters friend noticed it, looked at it, and said it was cute. Cute is a womens way of expressing impressed. I have learned that. Next thing we know we are talking cars and hot rods and then I am showing car show pictures to her. 69 was the year they changed the Chevelle body and she knew that. One thing leads to another and we ended up in the garage and lit the Maytag. Smiles all around and perhaps a new member of this strange group that plays with old iron. Life is good again. Jeff Allen From peter at loud-n-clear.net Sat Mar 12 00:25:58 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:25:58 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine in NZ revisited Message-ID: <3m+nSU0WeqMCFw3K@lnc025.dial.nildram.co.uk> Further to my earlier message, Gordon Banfield has sent me four more pictures of an engine that he can't identify. I still can't help. It can be seen at: http://www.petesextension.com/Gordon/ Anyone have any ideas? Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Mar 12 04:50:11 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:50:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Gal In-Reply-To: <42327EB5.7070208@earthlink.net> References: <42327EB5.7070208@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050312074549.0e7f2f10@mail.alltel.net> >One thing leads to another and we ended up in the garage and lit the >Maytag. Smiles all around and perhaps a new member of this strange group >that plays with old iron. Life is good again. >Jeff Allen Hi Jeff, Lighting up a MAYTAG is always a thrill--particularly on a cold winter's night. I did so as well earlier in the year. As you say, "Smiles all around." Picture is at http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html Click on the last picture--"Firing up a Maytag." Dave From edstoller at earthlink.net Sat Mar 12 05:27:22 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:27:22 -0500 Subject: Antique Small Engine site url: was Re: [SEL] Carb help wanted References: <42323EE9.30803@earthlink.net> <42325BBF.30207@telus.net> Message-ID: <005c01c52707$39868a20$aad7f504@x8h7l9> Try http://www.asecc.com/ Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rupert Wenig" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:02 PM Subject: Antique Small Engine site url: was Re: [SEL] Carb help wanted > Hello Jeff, > May I get the url for the Antique Small Engine site? I'd like to see > what it is about. Thanks in advance. > > Rupert > > Jeff Allen wrote: > > > > > Already sent him to the Antique Small Engine site, so no need to > > duplicate that. > > > > Jeff Allen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Mar 12 05:39:35 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:39:35 EST Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/2005 3:29:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: << PS, I still think the List should censure Curt for making patterns of things that Ed sells to put food on his children's table! >> Dave, How about the money Curt is saving to feed his poor wife and children?? Need to look at both sides before any censure is considered!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Mar 12 05:42:39 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:42:39 EST Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ Message-ID: <158.4c712401.2f644bcf@aol.com> In a message dated 3/11/2005 6:12:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: << With Ken's parts, they become running engines that otherwise would have been "lost forever." >> Arnie, True, but with Curt's expertise in making patterns, we could have Ken's engines and all the others saved without parting them out! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From welshans2 at comcast.net Sat Mar 12 06:27:37 2005 From: welshans2 at comcast.net (Terry & Carolyn Welshans) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:27:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Will County Threshermen Show in Illinois References: <200503121100.j2CB07uI020043@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <000401c5270f$a4283ba0$6400a8c0@tractor> Many of the list members in the Midwest have brought engines and other displays to our show in the past years. It is for that reason I am sending this to the list. If you have no interest in our show, then please ignore this message. Last year we moved the show from Burn's Woods, near Deselm, Illinois to the Dollinger Farm south of Minooka, Illinois. At that time we were required by the land owner to guarantee that all persons exhibiting equipment at the show (tractor, engine, car, or implement) prove that they were insured for liability, or be a member of our Association, where they would be covered by our policy. To accomplish that, we had three ways an exhibitor could satisfy the land owner's demand. Anyone can bring and exhibit any equipment for display at no cost, as long as they do one of the following: 1) Join our Association at a cost of $10 per year, including a monthly newsletter and all other Association events and benefits. or 2) Join our Association for the duration of the show for $5, with no newsletter or other Association events or benefits. or 3) Sign a waiver releasing the Association and the land owner from any and all liability. Many exhibitors from previous years took this to mean that they had to pay to exhibit at our show, and started rumors to that effect at every show they where they exhibited. This rumor was spreading this year in Florida at the Flywheeler's show, and several of our members who were there made comments about this at our March meeting. This has caused a lot of discussion in our Association, and that has resulted in a revision to our exhibitor policy, and a request for all concerned to spread the word about our exhibitor policy as widely as we can. Here is our current exhibitor policy: Anyone can bring and exhibit any equipment for display at no cost, as long as they do one of the following: 1) Join our Association at a cost of $10 per year, including a monthly newsletter and all other Association events and benefits or 2) Sign a waiver releasing the Association and the land owner from any and all liability. As you can see, we do not charge admission to exhibitors nor require them to join. In fact, we did not require an exhibitor to join last year, but some folks took our policy to mean that. We want to make it clear that the rumor about our Association charging exhibitors was totally false then, as it is now. Please consider this in July when we put on our 43rd Threshing Reunion and Antique Tractor show. The dates are July 21st through 24th. For more information about our show including maps and driving directions pleas take a look at our web site: www.steamshow.org If anyone wants to ask a question or make a comment, I am all ears, as we are trying to make our show larger and better, so suggestions are always welcome. Regards, Terry Welshans Secretary, Will County Threshermen "Always do right- this will gratify some and astonish the rest. " Mark Twain (1835-1910) www.midwestoilburners.org www.fokisd.org www.terrystoy.com From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Mar 12 06:27:08 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:27:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ References: Message-ID: <015e01c5270f$92cc4360$9235ef18@pengy> Then you have to consider the money the poor foundryman is making by pouring those castings! :-) Certainly he has bills to pay and engines to feed. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ > In a message dated 3/12/2005 3:29:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, > rotigel at alltel.net writes: > > << PS, I still think the List should censure Curt for making patterns of > things that Ed sells to put food on his children's table! >> > > > Dave, > > How about the money Curt is saving to feed his poor wife and children?? > Need > to look at both sides before any censure is considered!! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 12 06:50:14 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:50:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ In-Reply-To: <158.4c712401.2f644bcf@aol.com> References: <158.4c712401.2f644bcf@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, Some folks do that; restore engines with new or repro parts. Some engines would also be way too expensive to restore that way unless you took on the project as a silly money "personal challange." Some of us also try really hard to use "original" parts in our restorations. And, for the most part, "original" parts are gonna come from just one place. That place is an old engine that was taken to bits and the parts sold to folks doing restorations. Don't get me wrong, I'm not an ultra-purist. I think once a piston is in the engine and has run for a bit, most folks wouldn't be able to tell. But the owner would know that it was a repro and not an original. And that owner might care about that subtle difference. I think you'll agree that an engine that is "all original" sells for more than one that has a new crank, new flywheels, new rod, new piston, new fuel tank, new cooling tank, new paint & decals, etc. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > > << With Ken's parts, they become running engines that otherwise > would have been "lost forever." >> > > True, but with Curt's expertise in making patterns, we could have Ken's > engines and all the others saved without parting them out! > > Tom Schmutz From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 12 07:00:42 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:00:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050311220847.02689ec0@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050311220847.02689ec0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Dave, On Fri, 11 Mar 2005, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Like Ed at Hit and Miss, Ken is in business to make money--NOT to > "help" our hobby. There is simply more money in parts than there is in > "whole" engines! Having bought parts from both Ed and Ken I know only too well how much money there is in parts!!! And in all cases I was happy to pay because I had been looking for years for the parts I needed. When you finally find 'em, the price really isn't as important as it is in "commodity" items that you can shop around for. As Ken said when I tried to "negotiate" on the price (he did come down some), "there just aren't that many of these around; especially not in this condition." He was right. He knew it. I knew it. I paid it. And I was damn happy to be dragging my find back to the area. See ya, Arnie PS - One practice of some sellers in the hobby is to remove the mag and bracket from a running engine and cobble up a buzz coil rig to run it and sell both in separate transactions. The seller makes a bit more that way, but that practice does a real disservice to the hobby IMHO. Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Mar 12 07:13:34 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:13:34 EST Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ Message-ID: <1c3.242f53b3.2f64611e@aol.com> In a message dated 3/12/2005 10:08:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: << I think you'll agree that an engine that is "all original" sells for more than one that has a new crank, new flywheels, new rod, new piston, new fuel tank, new cooling tank, new paint & decals, etc. >> Arnie, That is why I quit painting mine!!!! HA! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Mar 12 07:55:05 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:55:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine in NZ revisited References: <3m+nSU0WeqMCFw3K@lnc025.dial.nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: To me it looks boatish. I say this cause he had to prop it up to get it level. Isn't there a website that just deals in boat motors? RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Scales" To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 1:25 AM Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine in NZ revisited > Further to my earlier message, Gordon Banfield has sent me four more > pictures of an engine that he can't identify. I still can't help. It > can be seen at: > > http://www.petesextension.com/Gordon/ > > Anyone have any ideas? > > Regards > > Pete > -- > Peter Scales > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Sat Mar 12 08:58:07 2005 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:58:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. References: <158.4c712401.2f644bcf@aol.com> Message-ID: <003a01c52725$708ba3c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> has anyone tried casting any parts in aluminum? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ > In a message dated 3/11/2005 6:12:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, > fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > > << With Ken's parts, they become running engines that otherwise > would have been "lost forever." >> > > Arnie, > > True, but with Curt's expertise in making patterns, we could have Ken's > engines and all the others saved without parting them out! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rwenig at telus.net Sat Mar 12 09:06:59 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:06:59 -0700 Subject: Antique Small Engine site url: was Re: [SEL] Carb help wanted In-Reply-To: <005c01c52707$39868a20$aad7f504@x8h7l9> References: <42323EE9.30803@earthlink.net> <42325BBF.30207@telus.net> <005c01c52707$39868a20$aad7f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <423321B3.4020102@telus.net> Thanks. ED wrote: > Try http://www.asecc.com/ > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Mar 12 09:34:28 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:34:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] How we gonna cool it?? Message-ID: Well 3" of snow on the ground and still comin'. Yup Montana has two seasons, Winter and July. So will cyberbox up. Ya'll know we got this nice Universal Genset the other day: http://community.webshots.com/album/291395326wWDmvi In it's working days it was cooled by an open in/out circuit, connected to a mountain stream..no recirc. btw, no evidence of a thermostat either:-(. It does have a belt driven pump. Lookin' for suggestions on a recirc system. We don't want a radiator/w fan..altho they did make one like that. I don't think tank cooled would work, screen cooled maybe. We do plan to loading it down, somehow. And here's another thing I've never seen. Apparently the PO replaced the commutator brushes but it appears he cut off the braided copper lead. Just the brush sitting in the holder(s) with the spring. I don't like this as any resistance there might cause the spring to heat up and lose tension. What do you sparkies think of that?? Thanks gang and of course, Spence "Now where'd I put that plow"????aaarrghhhhhhhhh RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Mar 12 09:39:40 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:39:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me References: <42321AD2.6060207@fidnet.com> Message-ID: Gary, there sure isn't, just what looks like a Wico. We will pursue this engine as soon as the snow leaves? 'preciate the come back RickinMt. Is there any sign of a mounting for > a battery box on the offside? > > Gary From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 12 09:56:25 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:56:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. In-Reply-To: <003a01c52725$708ba3c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> References: <158.4c712401.2f644bcf@aol.com> <003a01c52725$708ba3c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: Tom, Contact Joe Prindle at the Badger Steam and Gas club. They have cast a lot of aluminum engine parts (muffler pieces, crank guards, etc.). He's not on list right now, but I copied him on this reply. I don't know which of those email addresses is better. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sat, 12 Mar 2005, Tom Dunlap wrote: > has anyone tried casting any parts in aluminum? From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Mar 12 09:51:14 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:51:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine to me now F-M pump References: <20050311220005.71718.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Steve; you've got a picture of Bill's F-M "Typoon" pump. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/Waucunda2000/bill_s%20fairbanks%20pump.jpg We have Cork's all blasted now, but need replacement push/pull castings on the pump. They have "Fairbanks-Morse" cast in them. Who is Bill and hopefully he can measure it up for us? Any idea what size he's got? Thanks pard..you do nice work!! RickinMt. From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Mar 12 10:08:32 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:08:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lady w/ Magnetos (& Engines) For Sale Message-ID: <0223f4a6c12442ec87e15e447c492f93@chartertn.net> Got this info from a nice widowed lady who contacted me off list: ************ George has several magnitos.? Some are for tractors and some for gas engines.? The one I am reffering to is an EK Wico mag., hit and miss,looks good on the out side but Dave doesn't know if works.? Dave has been and is a close family friend and he has been helping me sell George;s gas engines.? He had a beautiful Twelve Mule Team.? I just love the sound of a hit and miss engine.? I could probably go to seep by it.? I'm asking $100.00? for the mag plus postage. ************* If interested, contact her at: thrasherman1926 at yahoo.com Her name's Harriette. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Mar 12 11:44:00 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:44:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. Message-ID: <20050312.114400.1356.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Do it all the time. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:58:07 -0600 "Tom Dunlap" writes: > has anyone tried casting any parts in aluminum? From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 12 12:50:08 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:50:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Collectors Are Nuts Message-ID: That's more money than most folks spend on an engine!! Awesome Antique Gas Engine Spark Plug W/Odd Tin Can http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6516380678 See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Mar 12 13:23:54 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:23:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Collectors Are Nuts References: Message-ID: WHEW!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 1:50 PM Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Collectors Are Nuts > That's more money than most folks spend on an engine!! > > Awesome Antique Gas Engine Spark Plug W/Odd Tin Can > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6516380678 > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Mar 12 13:28:17 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:28:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. References: <158.4c712401.2f644bcf@aol.com> <003a01c52725$708ba3c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <006f01c5274b$2366d760$0301a8c0@Reg> ONCE!! Total disaster and made me realise that it was not something you 'just did!' Its a whole new ball game and I aint got the time. I leave it to those who know about it. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 3:58 AM Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. > has anyone tried casting any parts in aluminum? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:42 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ > > > > In a message dated 3/11/2005 6:12:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > > > > << With Ken's parts, they become running engines that otherwise > > would have been "lost forever." >> > > > > Arnie, > > > > True, but with Curt's expertise in making patterns, we could have Ken's > > engines and all the others saved without parting them out! > > > > Tom Schmutz > > Concord, Va. USA > > Germoamer at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 12 09:32:58 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:32:58 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Universal GenSet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f60251605031209324876fec4@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:24:36 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > Appreciate the info, Mike. I see where they have some old literature on > Universal Engines and GenSets. Course the cyberbox locks up when I crank up > the .pdf files so will get Cork to do it. > > I now believe ours is a "D" model as the serial number is D1844. You might > find this 4 page site interesting as we did: > > http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Atomic_4_Eng_Service/History_of_the_Universal_Motor_Company_1.html#top > > I hope that url doesn't wrap, if so I'll do an abbriviated version. > > Re: the Dixie mag, I going to assume it's impulse as Peters chart shows > the Dixie 46 has a 35 degree impulse lag. Once again I'll assume that the > 35 degrees is the amount of turn that the spring winds up before it > trips/impulses. Kinda like a Webster. This one doesn't impulse or at least > I can't hear it, so I'll tinker with it a little and re-charge the > magnet(s). > > Does anyone know which position of the advance/retard lever is retard...up > or down? Don't need any excitement regarding that proceedure:-) > > All in all a very nice engine with definite learning capabilities. The > mag, carb, gov, dynamo, water pump are just a few. > > I've uploaded a few more pictures to my webshots album: > > http://community.webshots.com/album/291395326wWDmvi > > Thanks again, Mike and all > > RickinMt. I had a bit of time to check on the other magneto service books, in particular the Eisemann Magneto service book. This has a printing date of 1931 if I have interpreted the printing codes correctly, and gives replacement/original magneto fitting. Under Universal, they list the equivalent as either AM-4, AM-6 or AM2H for the various universal engine types. Mounting for all types is 45mm base mount Fixed spark (no variation possible on the Eisemann model (The Dixie did have variable spark timing) Lag angle varies between 15, 25 and 35 degrees Lug angle (presume this refers to the coupling?) is 5 degrees MORE than the lag angle. Bendix have no information on Universal Engines in my service books Wico have the XH series listed in various spec's as a replacement magneto. We have two sets of Wico books, one is when they were owned by Globe-Union, and a later one when Prestolite owned them. The earlier book only has anything for the Universal engine. Nowhere have I come across the D1844 engine designation, or a D designation of any kind. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 12 11:14:22 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:14:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Kohler information Message-ID: <6f602516050312111453f2735b@mail.gmail.com> I had a look though the book pile while chasing some magneto information for Rick, and find that we have the following Kohler information: Kohler 1M21 & 1A21 (Manual and Auto) Army TM5-5371 Publication 1952 Radiator over the generator style of genny set. (I think Jim Dunmyer's genny is this type) Kohler 1.75MM to 5MM Air-cooled Kohler & B&S Engines Kohler 3.5A21 to 5A21 3.5kVA to 5kVA water-cooled Kohler L600 engine in all models. Radiator is in front of the engine on this style of genny. The middle book gives a part number breakdown which might be useful: First digits are the output power 1.75 = 1.75kVA Next Letters M = Manual Starting B = Briggs & Stratton engine C = 12V Electric Start for -HS (Home Start) models F = 50Hz operation M = Air cooled engine Second-last digit: 2 = 120V 1 phase 2 wire 4 = 240V 1 phase 2-wire 6 = 120/240V 1 phase 3-wire Last digit: 5 = Gas fuelled portable set. Thus 3.5MFM65 = 3.5kVA Manual Start 50Hz Operational Frequency Air-cooled Kohler Engine 120C 1-phase 3-wire Gas fuel Hope this is of some help to folks. All the books are originals BTW... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Mar 12 15:11:56 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:11:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. References: <158.4c712401.2f644bcf@aol.com> <003a01c52725$708ba3c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <018e01c52758$e2cf7820$9235ef18@pengy> Yes. We cast aluminum from time to time. What would you like to know? Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works 100 South Bridge Street Bldg. F Struthers, OH 44471 http://www.todengine.org/engineworks.html 330-728-2799 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. > has anyone tried casting any parts in aluminum? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:42 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ > > >> In a message dated 3/11/2005 6:12:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> fero_ah at city-net.com writes: >> >> << With Ken's parts, they become running engines that otherwise >> would have been "lost forever." >> >> >> Arnie, >> >> True, but with Curt's expertise in making patterns, we could have Ken's >> engines and all the others saved without parting them out! >> >> Tom Schmutz >> Concord, Va. USA >> Germoamer at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 12 01:54:31 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:54:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050311220847.02689ec0@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050311220847.02689ec0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f602516050312015449d4da98@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:13:21 -0500, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Arnie, > Like Ed at Hit and Miss, Ken is in business to make money--NOT to > "help" our hobby. There is simply more money in parts than there is in > "whole" engines! > Dave > PS, I still think the List should censure Curt for making patterns of > things that Ed sells to put food on his children's table! How was the FL show, Dave? Haven't seen anything from you on the trip or the show, could we have some words and possibly pictures? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Mar 12 15:25:07 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:25:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 10KW ONAN Genset Needs to Go to a New Home References: <158.4c712401.2f644bcf@aol.com> <003a01c52725$708ba3c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <01bf01c5275a$ba677750$9235ef18@pengy> I have an old WWII era ONAN 10kw genset. It has a 4 cylinder gas engine which is not frozen. The sheet metal is fairly mashed up but all of the core components are pretty much intact. I don't have room for it anymore and have no intention of rebuilding it so if anyone wants it let me know. Its worth about $100 in scrap so I'll give it to anyone who gives a $100 charitable contribution to the Tod Engine Foundation. I don't particularly want to scrap it. Here is a pic of it: http://community.webshots.com/photo/204389845/284060200TbsAUL Its inside a building with a crane so loading it out will not be a problem. Thanks Rick Rowlands Youngstown, OH From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Mar 12 15:38:28 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:38:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Collectors Are Nuts References: Message-ID: <01f101c5275c$979ab460$9235ef18@pengy> Just think what you would have if you had a V8 with these plugs in it! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:50 PM Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Collectors Are Nuts > That's more money than most folks spend on an engine!! > > Awesome Antique Gas Engine Spark Plug W/Odd Tin Can > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6516380678 > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Sat Mar 12 16:02:25 2005 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:02:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. References: <158.4c712401.2f644bcf@aol.com> <003a01c52725$708ba3c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> <018e01c52758$e2cf7820$9235ef18@pengy> Message-ID: <000d01c5275f$f0abe260$7081a018@satx.rr.com> I was wondering if its feasible to cast aluminum parts yourself at home. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. > Yes. We cast aluminum from time to time. What would you like to know? > > Rick Rowlands > Tod Engine Works > 100 South Bridge Street Bldg. F > Struthers, OH 44471 > http://www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > 330-728-2799 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Dunlap" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 11:58 AM > Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. > > > > has anyone tried casting any parts in aluminum? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ > > > > > >> In a message dated 3/11/2005 6:12:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >> fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > >> > >> << With Ken's parts, they become running engines that otherwise > >> would have been "lost forever." >> > >> > >> Arnie, > >> > >> True, but with Curt's expertise in making patterns, we could have Ken's > >> engines and all the others saved without parting them out! > >> > >> Tom Schmutz > >> Concord, Va. USA > >> Germoamer at aol.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Sat Mar 12 16:37:55 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:37:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] {sel]An old engine,butstill ot References: Message-ID: <002801c52764$e6bd36a0$9d601f40@ibm22761389857> Wauseon is June 23-26 this year Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hunter" To: Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 06:12 Subject: [SEL] {sel]An old engine,butstill ot Well, then we have already unofficially met! I watched you work your magic at BG! . You made it look real easy!!I,m sure that it gets darn,d hot in that building as the day goes on. It's great that you are displaying your trade like that as I and many many others I,m sure really enjoy seeing how it's done. We made Findlay,Portland, and Wyandot County Fair last year. Hope to go more this year! I hear Wausean is cool show. When is that? Jim Hunter _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gwaugh at wowway.com Sat Mar 12 17:00:12 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:00:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT--Old camera info question In-Reply-To: <000d01c5275f$f0abe260$7081a018@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200503130059.j2D0xlw18316@pop-2.dnv.wideopenwest.com> A couple years ago, someone on either ATIS or SEL offered to help me value a couple old cameras I got from my folks---if you are out there, and the offer still stands, could you contact me at: gwaugh at wowway.com Thanks, Gene From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Mar 12 17:20:24 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:20:24 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. Message-ID: <20050312.172025.1356.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Tom. Anything is possible. We have poured aluminum while camping in the desert. Melted aluminum cans in a coffee can over an open fire. Poured the aluminum in a mold we made in the sand. You can make an electric furnace out of insulating fire bricks, and for the heating element use the wire out of an electric oven. My first years of teaching the metal shop teacher had a furnace like that. Pulled the heating wire out of old electric ovens. Rewound it around a 3/8" wooden dowel in a lathe, cut a serpentine groove in the fire brick with a router. Tuck the wire in the groove and hold in place with short pieces of wire pressed into the fire brick. Adjusted the length to work on 110v, and plugged it into the wall. At first he melted in a cast iron fry pan, but if you don't watch the temperature the pan will sag. Probably the best sand to use for the beginner is Petrobond, an oil based sand. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:02:25 -0600 "Tom Dunlap" writes: > I was wondering if its feasible to cast aluminum parts yourself at > home. From driggars at earthlink.net Sat Mar 12 18:24:18 2005 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:24:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. References: <158.4c712401.2f644bcf@aol.com><003a01c52725$708ba3c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com><018e01c52758$e2cf7820$9235ef18@pengy> <000d01c5275f$f0abe260$7081a018@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <01f601c52773$c2db4740$e9428304@clinton> tom I cast with aluminum, brass,, zinc all the time. here is my casting group if you would like to join www.groups.yahoo.com/group/castinghobby Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. > I was wondering if its feasible to cast aluminum parts yourself at home. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tod Engine" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 5:11 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. > > > > Yes. We cast aluminum from time to time. What would you like to know? > > > > Rick Rowlands > > Tod Engine Works > > 100 South Bridge Street Bldg. F > > Struthers, OH 44471 > > http://www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > > 330-728-2799 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tom Dunlap" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 11:58 AM > > Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. > > > > > > > has anyone tried casting any parts in aluminum? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:42 AM > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ > > > > > > > > >> In a message dated 3/11/2005 6:12:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > >> fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > > >> > > >> << With Ken's parts, they become running engines that otherwise > > >> would have been "lost forever." >> > > >> > > >> Arnie, > > >> > > >> True, but with Curt's expertise in making patterns, we could have Ken's > > >> engines and all the others saved without parting them out! > > >> > > >> Tom Schmutz > > >> Concord, Va. USA > > >> Germoamer at aol.com > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> SEL mailing list > > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sat Mar 12 21:01:02 2005 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 23:01:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. In-Reply-To: <003a01c52725$708ba3c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> References: <158.4c712401.2f644bcf@aol.com> <003a01c52725$708ba3c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050312225942.02002190@mail.herculesengines.com> We've been doing some casting in aluminum. Take a look at our web page to see how we do it. http://www.herculesengines.com/Foundry/index.htm Keith From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Mar 12 21:02:05 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:02:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Collectors Are Nuts References: <01f101c5275c$979ab460$9235ef18@pengy> Message-ID: <006401c5278b$f3bfd520$0301a8c0@Reg> House morgage?? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Spark Plug Collectors Are Nuts > Just think what you would have if you had a V8 with these plugs in it! > > Rick From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Mar 12 21:06:49 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:06:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. References: <158.4c712401.2f644bcf@aol.com><003a01c52725$708ba3c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com><018e01c52758$e2cf7820$9235ef18@pengy> <000d01c5275f$f0abe260$7081a018@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <006701c5278b$f4fd3720$0301a8c0@Reg> Tom, most of the members of this list do the impossible 'at home' VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. > I was wondering if its feasible to cast aluminum parts yourself at home. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tod Engine" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 5:11 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. > > > > Yes. We cast aluminum from time to time. What would you like to know? > > > > Rick Rowlands > > Tod Engine Works > > 100 South Bridge Street Bldg. F > > Struthers, OH 44471 > > http://www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > > 330-728-2799 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tom Dunlap" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 11:58 AM > > Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. > > > > > > > has anyone tried casting any parts in aluminum? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:42 AM > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ > > > > > > > > >> In a message dated 3/11/2005 6:12:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > >> fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > > >> > > >> << With Ken's parts, they become running engines that otherwise > > >> would have been "lost forever." >> > > >> > > >> Arnie, > > >> > > >> True, but with Curt's expertise in making patterns, we could have Ken's > > >> engines and all the others saved without parting them out! > > >> > > >> Tom Schmutz > > >> Concord, Va. USA > > >> Germoamer at aol.com > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> SEL mailing list > > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Mar 12 21:34:44 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:34:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Will County Threshermen Show in Illinois References: <200503121100.j2CB07uI020043@heavyiron.atis.net> <000401c5270f$a4283ba0$6400a8c0@tractor> Message-ID: <00af01c5278e$efdb67a0$0301a8c0@Reg> I sure wish we could do that disclaimer thing here! Sadly, the lawyers and their cohorts have closed off that line of approach. Even if I put up a notice stating that this was the case, It has already been reviewed by the 'law' and found to be a waste of paper. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry & Carolyn Welshans" To: Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:27 AM Subject: [SEL] Will County Threshermen Show in Illinois > Many of the list members in the Midwest have brought engines and other > displays to our show in the past years. It is for that reason I am sending > this to the list. If you have no interest in our show, then please ignore > this message. > > Last year we moved the show from Burn's Woods, near Deselm, Illinois to the > Dollinger Farm south of Minooka, Illinois. At that time we were required by > the land owner to guarantee that all persons exhibiting equipment at the > show (tractor, engine, car, or implement) prove that they were insured for > liability, or be a member of our Association, where they would be covered by > our policy. To accomplish that, we had three ways an exhibitor could > satisfy the land owner's demand. > > Anyone can bring and exhibit any equipment for display at no cost, as long > as they do one of the following: > > 1) Join our Association at a cost of $10 per year, including a monthly > newsletter and all other Association events and benefits. > > or > > 2) Join our Association for the duration of the show for $5, with no > newsletter or other Association events or benefits. > > or > > 3) Sign a waiver releasing the Association and the land owner from any and > all liability. > > Many exhibitors from previous years took this to mean that they had to pay > to exhibit at our show, and started rumors to that effect at every show they > where they exhibited. This rumor was spreading this year in Florida at the > Flywheeler's show, and several of our members who were there made comments > about this at our March meeting. > > This has caused a lot of discussion in our Association, and that has > resulted in a revision to our exhibitor policy, and a request for all > concerned to spread the word about our exhibitor policy as widely as we can. > Here is our current exhibitor policy: > > Anyone can bring and exhibit any equipment for display at no cost, as long > as they do one of the following: > > 1) Join our Association at a cost of $10 per year, including a monthly > newsletter and all other Association events and benefits > > or > > 2) Sign a waiver releasing the Association and the land owner from any and > all liability. > > As you can see, we do not charge admission to exhibitors nor require them to > join. In fact, we did not require an exhibitor to join last year, but some > folks took our policy to mean that. We want to make it clear that the rumor > about our Association charging exhibitors was totally false then, as it is > now. > > Please consider this in July when we put on our 43rd Threshing Reunion and > Antique Tractor show. The dates are July 21st through 24th. For more > information about our show including maps and driving directions pleas take > a look at our web site: > > www.steamshow.org > > If anyone wants to ask a question or make a comment, I am all ears, as we > are trying to make our show larger and better, so suggestions are always > welcome. > > Regards, > > Terry Welshans > Secretary, Will County Threshermen > > "Always do right- this will gratify some and astonish the rest. " > Mark Twain (1835-1910) > > www.midwestoilburners.org > www.fokisd.org > www.terrystoy.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Sun Mar 13 00:00:10 2005 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 03:00:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Casting parts in aluminum. In-Reply-To: <003a01c52725$708ba3c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, I've cast mufflers, some misc parts for some oil burners, and i've even cast some new gears for my lathe and they worked out just fine, and also name plates... aluminum is a pretty usefull material... >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Sat, 12 Mar 2005, Tom Dunlap wrote: > has anyone tried casting any parts in aluminum? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:42 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ > > > > In a message dated 3/11/2005 6:12:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > > > > << With Ken's parts, they become running engines that otherwise > > would have been "lost forever." >> > > > > Arnie, > > > > True, but with Curt's expertise in making patterns, we could have Ken's > > engines and all the others saved without parting them out! > > > > Tom Schmutz > > Concord, Va. USA > > Germoamer at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Sun Mar 13 12:31:25 2005 From: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:31:25 Subject: [SEL] re: massey Harris Logo Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050313123125.009cc1f0@127.0.0.1> Message: 3 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:29:20 +0100 Hi John Thanks for pointing it out - my "webpage writing" is a bit rusty and I forgot to check it out - also I'm not using my usual software for this but it's fixed now. Thanks again Jerry Evans From: "John Hammink" Subject: Re: [SEL] re: massey Harris Logo Hi Jerry, you made the same mistake as a few days ago. The file address is from your HD. Be calm :o) John H. > Hi all > Thanks for the help. Look here for the result - comments welcome. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/mh.htm > Best regards --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Mar 13 02:51:33 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:51:33 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine in NZ revisited References: <3m+nSU0WeqMCFw3K@lnc025.dial.nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <000701c527ba$a38a7e50$25d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> I can't see a prop shaft connection but try http://www.oldmarineengine.com/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery engine in NZ revisited > To me it looks boatish. I say this cause he had to prop it up to get it > level. Isn't there a website that just deals in boat motors? > > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Scales" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 1:25 AM > Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine in NZ revisited > > >> Further to my earlier message, Gordon Banfield has sent me four more >> pictures of an engine that he can't identify. I still can't help. It >> can be seen at: >> >> http://www.petesextension.com/Gordon/ >> >> Anyone have any ideas? >> >> Regards >> >> Pete >> -- >> Peter Scales >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Mar 13 03:19:12 2005 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:19:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Eagles have Landed, somewhat OT In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050309203600.00b3b7d0@mail.ncable.com.au> References: <001c01c52460$2be649e0$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> <010401c52424$4c5b6d90$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <1110331732.422e515419cdb@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050313215029.00b1f860@mail.ncable.com.au> Hi all from the Holland's in Mildura. We are at Russell Gilbert's with many beers and bottles of wine from the Naracoorte region behind us. We've all got full bellies as Russell cooked a gourmet meal for us all. That bloke can cook! The wine has apparently impaired the better judgement of both Kerry and Russell as at the moment they have dropped their shorts and hopped in the hot tub together. The rest of us couldn't bear the prospects of what might be happening in the dark up there in the hot tub and retreated to the viranda. They keep hollaring some shit about "true Ozzies", whatever that implies. Their wives are drowning their sorrow at the moment. Gotta tell you I shit when I read about the unbelievable deals to be had at the 8 day sale at some engine collector's in NC. THEN I read a little closer only to find out that was my shit being sold off. Yeah thank heaps Larry Sain and Oyster brothers. I owe you blokes big. Seeing as I have nothing left in the engine sheds at home I might as well buy some engines to send home. doG these blokes have some fine engines! There are Crossley's, Tangey's, Hornsby's, Blackstone's as common as Maytag's here. The big surprise at the National was the number of Hercules model S horse and a halfs. Jotted down all the s/n's for you Glenn. Thanks to wonderful host and tour guides Kerry and Ruth we have seen some unbelievable private collections. The girder frame Hornsby Ackroyds are by far the most stunning of engines. Well it is time to wrap this email up as I have emptied this beer and it is time for another. It's 10:30 pm on a Sunday night and we've been in the sauce since early afternoon. It was over a 100?F today and the beer did go down good! Good night all. Curt & Missy Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sun Mar 13 06:09:23 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:09:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If Curt, his wife, and children stay in OZ much longer, poor Curt will be casting reproductions for all of his former engines! I understand from a reliable source that the Cloistered Oyster Brothers were out yesterday collecting "Engine Parts" . On the other hand , he now has lots of room in his shed for all those bulky patterns and boards things. anonymous oyster >From: Germoamer at aol.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ >Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:39:35 EST > >In a message dated 3/12/2005 3:29:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, >rotigel at alltel.net writes: > ><< PS, I still think the List should censure Curt for making patterns of > things that Ed sells to put food on his children's table! >> > > >Dave, > >How about the money Curt is saving to feed his poor wife and children?? >Need >to look at both sides before any censure is considered!! > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. USA >Germoamer at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 13 06:21:08 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:21:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Will County Threshermen Show in Illinois In-Reply-To: <00af01c5278e$efdb67a0$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <200503121100.j2CB07uI020043@heavyiron.atis.net> <000401c5270f$a4283ba0$6400a8c0@tractor> <00af01c5278e$efdb67a0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050313092023.0e82bc58@mail.alltel.net> The same thing is true in the USA Reg--NOT worth the paper it's written on! Dave At 12:34 AM 3/13/2005, you wrote: >I sure wish we could do that disclaimer thing here! >Sadly, the lawyers and their cohorts have closed off that line of approach. >Even if I put up a notice stating that this was the case, It has already >been reviewed by the 'law' and found to be a waste of paper. >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Terry & Carolyn Welshans" >To: >Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:27 AM >Subject: [SEL] Will County Threshermen Show in Illinois > > > > Many of the list members in the Midwest have brought engines and other > > displays to our show in the past years. It is for that reason I am >sending > > this to the list. If you have no interest in our show, then please ignore > > this message. > > > > Last year we moved the show from Burn's Woods, near Deselm, Illinois to >the > > Dollinger Farm south of Minooka, Illinois. At that time we were required >by > > the land owner to guarantee that all persons exhibiting equipment at the > > show (tractor, engine, car, or implement) prove that they were insured for > > liability, or be a member of our Association, where they would be covered >by > > our policy. To accomplish that, we had three ways an exhibitor could > > satisfy the land owner's demand. > > > > Anyone can bring and exhibit any equipment for display at no cost, as long > > as they do one of the following: > > > > 1) Join our Association at a cost of $10 per year, including a monthly > > newsletter and all other Association events and benefits. > > > > or > > > > 2) Join our Association for the duration of the show for $5, with no > > newsletter or other Association events or benefits. > > > > or > > > > 3) Sign a waiver releasing the Association and the land owner from any >and > > all liability. > > > > Many exhibitors from previous years took this to mean that they had to pay > > to exhibit at our show, and started rumors to that effect at every show >they > > where they exhibited. This rumor was spreading this year in Florida at >the > > Flywheeler's show, and several of our members who were there made comments > > about this at our March meeting. > > > > This has caused a lot of discussion in our Association, and that has > > resulted in a revision to our exhibitor policy, and a request for all > > concerned to spread the word about our exhibitor policy as widely as we >can. > > Here is our current exhibitor policy: > > > > Anyone can bring and exhibit any equipment for display at no cost, as long > > as they do one of the following: > > > > 1) Join our Association at a cost of $10 per year, including a monthly > > newsletter and all other Association events and benefits > > > > or > > > > 2) Sign a waiver releasing the Association and the land owner from any and > > all liability. > > > > As you can see, we do not charge admission to exhibitors nor require them >to > > join. In fact, we did not require an exhibitor to join last year, but >some > > folks took our policy to mean that. We want to make it clear that the >rumor > > about our Association charging exhibitors was totally false then, as it is > > now. > > > > Please consider this in July when we put on our 43rd Threshing Reunion and > > Antique Tractor show. The dates are July 21st through 24th. For more > > information about our show including maps and driving directions pleas >take > > a look at our web site: > > > > www.steamshow.org > > > > If anyone wants to ask a question or make a comment, I am all ears, as we > > are trying to make our show larger and better, so suggestions are always > > welcome. > > > > Regards, > > > > Terry Welshans > > Secretary, Will County Threshermen > > > > "Always do right- this will gratify some and astonish the rest. " > > Mark Twain (1835-1910) > > > > www.midwestoilburners.org > > www.fokisd.org > > www.terrystoy.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Mar 13 06:35:50 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:35:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Old Universal GenSet Message-ID: Howdy all; For those of you who have Universals. the below is a chat I'm having with Robert Hess who apparently built the Universal Engine website. His email is below parts at atomicfourengineservice.ca. I'd start at the bottom in order to make heads or tails of this chat. Hope it helps RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Hess" To: "Richard Strobel" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:09 AM Subject: Re: Old Universal GenSet > We don't know what model it is...maybe you could help us out there. And > it's a D.C. Generator....with no idea how to hook it up or excite it. > 250VDC @ 16 amps. I can't be sure what model it is.... but the fact that it's got a DC generator means it's probably very old, because according to my information they switched to AC generators in 1924. On my web site I called it a Model K, but I'm not really sure what model it is. 250 volts @ 16 amps means it's a 4 KW generator (250 X 16), and my information doesn't mention that size. I suggest you try contacting www.oldmarineengine.com for more information on both the engine and the generator. Robert Hess Atomic Four Engine Service Ltd 5017 Mariner Place Delta, BC, V4K 4J4, Canada parts at atomicfourengineservice.ca (604) 868-6646 (best time to reach us on weekdays is after 4:30 Pacific time) www.atomicfourengineservice.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Strobel To: Robert Hess Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:17 AM Subject: Re: Old Universal GenSet Thanks for the reply Robert and glad you enjoyed the pictures. She is a dandy. We don't know what model it is...maybe you could help us out there. And it's a D.C. Generator....with no idea how to hook it up or excite it. 250VDC @ 16 amps. Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Hess To: Richard Strobel Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 8:40 PM Subject: Re: Old Universal GenSet Beautiful... thanks for the great photos. Is it a model K? Does it have an AC or a DC generator? Robert Hess Atomic Four Engine Service Ltd 5017 Mariner Place Delta, BC, V4K 4J4, Canada parts at atomicfourengineservice.ca (604) 868-6646 (best time to reach us on weekdays is after 4:30 Pacific time) www.atomicfourengineservice.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Strobel To: parts at atomicfourengineservice.ca Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 6:08 AM Subject: Old Universal GenSet Just thought ya might like to see the very nice "Barn Freshe" Universal 4 lunger GenSet my friend Corky Harris and I picked up yesterday. It was used as a backup battery charger for an old silver mine. Hope you enjoy and feel free to use any or all pictures on my Webshots. She's a real good runner and started on the fourth pull after sitting in a shop since 1950. Here's the pix's: http://community.webshots.com/album/291395326wWDmvi regards Rick Strobel East Helena, Mt. From welshans2 at comcast.net Sun Mar 13 06:39:24 2005 From: welshans2 at comcast.net (Terry & Carolyn Welshans) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:39:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Will County Threshermen Show in Illinois References: <200503131100.j2DB05bY020486@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <000601c527da$7617eb40$6400a8c0@tractor> "Reg Ingold" said: -------------- I sure wish we could do that disclaimer thing here! Sadly, the lawyers and their cohorts have closed off that line of approach. Even if I put up a notice stating that this was the case, It has already been reviewed by the 'law' and found to be a waste of paper. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold -------------- Reg, I also doubt the paper is worth anything when it comes to actually entering into a suit. The land owner requires it, and if that makes him happy, then we can put on the show. If it proves worthless, then it was a waste of time. I hope we don't need to find out about that. Terry & Carolyn Welshans Homer Glen, Illinois "Always do right- this will gratify some and astonish the rest. " Mark Twain (1835-1910) www.midwestoilburners.org www.fokisd.org www.terrystoy.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Mar 13 06:39:15 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:39:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ References: Message-ID: Sounds like if he stays there much longer he'll be making patterns and casting new livers:-)) RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ > If Curt, his wife, and children stay in OZ much longer, poor Curt will be > casting reproductions for all of his former engines! I understand from a > reliable source that the Cloistered Oyster Brothers were out yesterday > collecting "Engine Parts" . On the other hand , he now has lots of room in > his shed for all those bulky patterns and boards things. anonymous > oyster > > >From: Germoamer at aol.com > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >Subject: Re: [SEL] A little bit of RED A$$ > >Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:39:35 EST > > > >In a message dated 3/12/2005 3:29:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, > >rotigel at alltel.net writes: > > > ><< PS, I still think the List should censure Curt for making patterns of > > things that Ed sells to put food on his children's table! >> > > > > > >Dave, > > > >How about the money Curt is saving to feed his poor wife and children?? > >Need > >to look at both sides before any censure is considered!! > > > >Tom Schmutz > >Concord, Va. USA > >Germoamer at aol.com > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 13 07:03:47 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:03:47 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Will County Threshermen Show in Illinois In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050313092023.0e82bc58@mail.alltel.net> References: <200503121100.j2CB07uI020043@heavyiron.atis.net> <000401c5270f$a4283ba0$6400a8c0@tractor> <00af01c5278e$efdb67a0$0301a8c0@Reg> <6.1.2.0.0.20050313092023.0e82bc58@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605031307038699a1b@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:21:08 -0500, Dave Rotigel wrote: > The same thing is true in the USA Reg--NOT worth the paper it's written on! > Dave > > At 12:34 AM 3/13/2005, you wrote: > >I sure wish we could do that disclaimer thing here! > >Sadly, the lawyers and their cohorts have closed off that line of approach. > >Even if I put up a notice stating that this was the case, It has already > >been reviewed by the 'law' and found to be a waste of paper. > >Reg & Marg Ingold. Same in the UK, you cannot disclaim or waive your liability issues or rights to claim against someone. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 13 07:47:45 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:47:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Fitzhenry Guptill Co. 3 cylinder Piston Pump Message-ID: Hi Folks, This is a pretty neat looking outfit. Anyone ever heard of 'em? See ya, Arnie ---------- Forwarded message ---------- View this Item on eBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3880281021 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Fitzhenry Guptill Co. Model 6320 3 cylinder Piston Pump Fire rescue Hit and miss pump Item number: 3880281021 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Starting bid: US $1,000.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Summary This is a Fitzhenry Guptill Co. East Cambridge Ma. Model 6320 , 3 cylinder piston pump. The pump was mounted on a Model A fire truck (truck was sold). The pump is a Hit and Miss gas engine powered unit. The pump is in running condition, ready to go,  and always has been stored inside. ----------------------------------------------------------------- From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 13 08:25:55 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:25:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Eagles have Landed, somewhat OT In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050313215029.00b1f860@mail.ncable.com.au> References: <001c01c52460$2be649e0$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> <010401c52424$4c5b6d90$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <1110331732.422e515419cdb@webmail.city-net.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20050313215029.00b1f860@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Hi there Curt & Missy, Glad to hear that y'all are learning to "do it like Aussies." 8-)) You get to try those witchetty grubs yet? Also REALLY glad to hear that you're lining up a shipment of Aussie Iron to send back home. Judging from the posts to the list, those rascally Cloistered Oyster brothers have not only sold all of your engines, but stripped out all the spare parts as well. Better add a couple more engines to that container. I saw references to "MG" and "buggy" in a couple of posts that weren't supposed to go to the list. I think you'll have LOADS of room for the new toys! See ya, Arnie On Sun, 13 Mar 2005, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Hi all from the Holland's in Mildura. > Gotta tell you I shit when I read about the unbelievable deals to be had at > the 8 day sale at some engine collector's in NC. THEN I read a little > closer only to find out that was my shit being sold off. Yeah thank heaps > Larry Sain and Oyster brothers. I owe you blokes big. Seeing as I have > nothing left in the engine sheds at home I might as well buy some engines > to send home. doG these blokes have some fine engines! There are > Crossley's, Tangey's, Hornsby's, Blackstone's as common as Maytag's here. > Curt & Missy From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Mar 13 08:20:09 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:20:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fitzhenry Guptill Co. 3 cylinder Piston Pump References: Message-ID: Very kewl piece of trivia. Looks like it would clean up nicely. Never heard of them and looks like it's TG. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:47 AM Subject: [SEL] Fitzhenry Guptill Co. 3 cylinder Piston Pump > Hi Folks, > > This is a pretty neat looking outfit. Anyone ever heard of 'em? > > See ya, Arnie > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > View this Item on eBay at > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3880281021 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Fitzhenry Guptill Co. Model 6320 3 cylinder Piston Pump > Fire rescue Hit and miss pump > Item number: 3880281021 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Starting bid: US $1,000.00 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Summary > This is a Fitzhenry Guptill Co. East Cambridge Ma. Model 6320 , 3 > cylinder piston pump. The pump was mounted on a Model A fire > truck (truck was sold). The pump is a Hit and Miss gas engine powered > unit. The pump is in running condition, ready to go,  and always has > been stored inside. > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Mar 13 09:55:03 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:55:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Eagles have Landed, somewhat OT In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050313215029.00b1f860@mail.ncable.com.au> References: <001c01c52460$2be649e0$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> <010401c52424$4c5b6d90$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <1110331732.422e515419cdb@webmail.city-net.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20050313215029.00b1f860@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <02615b6d566247b23bdf2a18cdfc0cf4@chartertn.net> > They keep hollaring some shit about "true Ozzies", whatever that > implies. Arguing over who gets to be "the man down under?" John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 13 10:47:18 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:47:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant Checks In! Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050313134416.02570b90@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, Charlie just checked in and asked me to post the following to the List. Dave Dave, Would you please post the following message on the SEL for me. As soon as I get situated around here I will be asking for your help to get back on. After a week home I have just got plowed and shoveled out to get to my barns and computer in my "Hen House" pad. Have to leave for Boston tomorrow for last check up by the surgeons there. Charlie Bryant Hi everyone . I want to thank you all for your prayers, messages and cards while I was in the hospital for repairs. Especially I want to thank Paul Maples and Dave for keeping you all posted. I didn't realize I had so many friends out there in the engine world. Dr. told me I would now live to be 102 but just give me a few more healthy years. This year I plan to attend the Cool Springs,PA, Canadagua,NY and Portland, Indiana plus many other shows. I hope I can meet you all and thank you personally.. Thanks again evryone. I am a proud to be one of your group. Charlie Bryant From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Mar 13 11:19:13 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:19:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant Checks In! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050313134416.02570b90@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050313134416.02570b90@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <22a0382add2e6b6ae1e014965945452d@chartertn.net> Sure glad he's getting along well! John On Mar 13, 2005, at 1:47 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, > Charlie just checked in and asked me to post the following to the > List. > Dave John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com Sun Mar 13 17:06:05 2005 From: Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:06:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Getting back into engines. Message-ID: <005e01c52831$ffa10b60$546bcc45@yourtwa0macjqu> Dear List, Hello, I've been semi- lurking for the past year or two lately, my collection has been slowly growing, but sitting idle. I haven't had the time or ambition to work on engines lately; I guess thats what happens when a young man begins to grow up, too many distractions! Since the snow has started to part up here in NY, I figure it would be a good time to put the snowmobiles away and get out some old iron once again. Other than thatI have just been working on my family's house. I have a 6hp Worthington and a 4hp Myrick (early style) that need attention, so I think it is time I started working on my engines. One of my biggest concerns with the Worthington is paint. Particulary the pinstriping end of the spectrum. Does anyone have any tips for striping an engine? Also, I have a Novo S model (a 4hp if I recall correctly) that needs the mixer assembly. Would anyone happen to have such a mixer laying out in their shed that they would be willing to part with? I have been in search of one for 2 years now, I missed out on a mixer on eBay, and at one point I couldn't justify paying more for the mixer than what I purchased the engine for. Thanks! Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov Spencerport, NY From todengine at zoominternet.net Sun Mar 13 17:24:27 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:24:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My "New" Genset Message-ID: <00b401c52834$90d5fa80$9235ef18@pengy> Today I bought a 10kw ex military genset on ebay. I hope to pick it up this week and put it to immediate use. Since neither the Tod Engine museum site or our restoration shop has electric service this generator will be very useful. Its going to be mounted on a trailer so it can easily be moved between our two sites. I've estimated the cost between $5,000 to $8,000 to put electrical service at both properties and since we can't spare that kind of cash right now a generator has been wanted. I've been using a 4000 watt borrowed generator thus far which is good for lights but not any heavy work. Also the noise level is horrible. Here is the listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3880313866&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT Isn't it a beauty! That nice yellow paint sure makes it more visually appealing than the original olive drab green. I sure hope we get a few years of trouble free service from it. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 17:57:31 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:57:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Showing engines or not. In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050314015731.77137.qmail@web31311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ya Rick & Tom, And when I get her running I could pull a trailer of engines into the car display area with my 1939 Pontiac Silverstreak. She does already have a light duty trailer hitch on her bumper. I guess it would have to be a small trailer with just a couple engines on it. Alan Bowen BTW,,, The car came to me with a letter on the back seat welcoming the PO to the Traverse City Antique Car Club. It was dated in the Spring of 1964. I guess it is about time the car shows up. 8>)) --- Richard Strobel wrote: > There ya go Tom!! I was thinking the other day of doing the same thing with > our local car clubs. > > Good'un > RickinMt. > > > > > > One of my best times at shows is when I pull my engines into the local car > > cruise-ins on Saturday nights at the local mall. There might be 200-300 > > antique > > cars with big dollar paint jobs, upholstery, etc. The beautiful things > > sit > > there doing NOTHING for people to walk around and look. Meanwhile Tom's > > rusty > > junk from the early teens is going ka-boom, ka-boom! Of course most car > > lovers have never heard of a hit and miss engine, let alone heard one > > running. > > Guess who has the most people standing around their display all evening > > asking > > questions!!!! > > > > Have fun displaying where ever and whenever. > > > > > > > > > > Tom Schmutz > > Concord, Va. USA > > Germoamer at aol.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 17:59:23 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:59:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] casting metal at home Message-ID: <20050314015924.28304.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com> The first thing I ever sand cast at home was a radiator cap for a Caterpillar 22 tractor. The new cap from Caterpillar was priced at more than I paid for the tractor, so I made my own. That was in 1969 and the last I saw of the cap some years back it was in good shape. I made the cap from Zamak zinc-based alloy, which has an undeserved bad reputation from its superficial resemblance to pot metal. The gears in my 65-year old Atlas lathe are made from Zamak, which is proof enough for me that it is pretty good stuff. I have also sand cast various aluminum alloys with good results, too. The zinc-based Zamak often has better mould fill-out because of its greater fluidity and much higher density, but for me it is pretty much a toss-up between the two types. What I use depends on the application. If bright shiny appearance is needed and is the ONLY consideration, then use aluminum because Zamak quickly develops a very characteristic battleship gray color and items cast from it resemble being made from pure Portland cement. Zamak electroplates extremely well. Aluminum is lighter in weight. Zamak is a good bearing alloy for light service. Aluminum handles high heat better. Neither corrodes easily. Over all I prefer Zamak when I have a choice because it melts at a lower temperature than most aluminum alloys, but it costs more unless it can be salvaged from discarded vacuum cleaners, washing machine transmissions, etc. When thinking about making a casting, don't forget about using Zamak. Work and play safely! Rich ~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\: From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Mar 13 18:00:48 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:00:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My "New" Genset In-Reply-To: <00b401c52834$90d5fa80$9235ef18@pengy> References: <00b401c52834$90d5fa80$9235ef18@pengy> Message-ID: <43f819783612f40d541431b1b2e2b699@chartertn.net> That's a beauty all right, Rick! John On Mar 13, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Tod Engine wrote: > Isn't it a beauty! That nice yellow paint sure makes it more visually > appealing than the original olive drab green. I sure hope we get a > few years of trouble free service from it. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Mar 13 18:07:16 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:07:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Getting back into engines. References: <005e01c52831$ffa10b60$546bcc45@yourtwa0macjqu> Message-ID: <00f101c5283b$264a1d20$0301a8c0@Reg> Hi Tommy. I used to work? with a lining brush and a large rag soaked in turps. I spent up and bought a Beugler lining tool. It is a good unit to have. It takes some practice but the end result is better than a brush in by shop. A lot of engines are getting around with lines put there with this tool. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stojanov" To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 12:06 PM Subject: [SEL] Getting back into engines. Dear List, Hello, I've been semi- lurking for the past year or two lately, my collection has been slowly growing, but sitting idle. I haven't had the time or ambition to work on engines lately; I guess thats what happens when a young man begins to grow up, too many distractions! Since the snow has started to part up here in NY, I figure it would be a good time to put the snowmobiles away and get out some old iron once again. Other than thatI have just been working on my family's house. I have a 6hp Worthington and a 4hp Myrick (early style) that need attention, so I think it is time I started working on my engines. One of my biggest concerns with the Worthington is paint. Particulary the pinstriping end of the spectrum. Does anyone have any tips for striping an engine? Also, I have a Novo S model (a 4hp if I recall correctly) that needs the mixer assembly. Would anyone happen to have such a mixer laying out in their shed that they would be willing to part with? I have been in search of one for 2 years now, I missed out on a mixer on eBay, and at one point I couldn't justify paying more for the mixer than what I purchased the engine for. Thanks! Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov Spencerport, NY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From todengine at zoominternet.net Sun Mar 13 20:10:39 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:10:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My "New" Genset References: <00b401c52834$90d5fa80$9235ef18@pengy> <43f819783612f40d541431b1b2e2b699@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <001001c5284b$c8016500$9235ef18@pengy> WOW!!! Two purchases in one day on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3879924466&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOAB:US:6 I logged onto ebay tonight and there was a 300 amp gas driven DC welder for $95 with one bid. So I watched the auction and finally won the welder for a little over $200. Interesting thing is that the welder and genset have identical 4 cylinder Hercules engines. I've been needing a welder at the museum site for a long while and now we have one. All in all a good day, just wish it had a nice shiny yellow paint job! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] My "New" Genset > That's a beauty all right, Rick! > > John > > On Mar 13, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Tod Engine wrote: >> Isn't it a beauty! That nice yellow paint sure makes it more visually >> appealing than the original olive drab green. I sure hope we get a few >> years of trouble free service from it. > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 14 03:53:14 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 04:53:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] My "New" Genset References: <00b401c52834$90d5fa80$9235ef18@pengy><43f819783612f40d541431b1b2e2b699@chartertn.net> <001001c5284b$c8016500$9235ef18@pengy> Message-ID: If the Genset doesn't have manuals, get in touch with me. May be able to get ya some. Good find RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] My "New" Genset > WOW!!! Two purchases in one day on ebay. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3879924466&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOAB:US:6 > > I logged onto ebay tonight and there was a 300 amp gas driven DC welder > for > $95 with one bid. So I watched the auction and finally won the welder for > a > little over $200. Interesting thing is that the welder and genset have > identical 4 cylinder Hercules engines. I've been needing a welder at > the > museum site for a long while and now we have one. All in all a good day, > just wish it had a nice shiny yellow paint job! > > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Culp" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:00 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] My "New" Genset > > > > That's a beauty all right, Rick! > > > > John > > > > On Mar 13, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Tod Engine wrote: > >> Isn't it a beauty! That nice yellow paint sure makes it more visually > >> appealing than the original olive drab green. I sure hope we get a > >> few > >> years of trouble free service from it. > > > > > > John Culp > > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Mar 14 06:29:34 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:29:34 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Are you sitting comfortably? Message-ID: <42359FCE.33D843F@insulate.co.uk> Hi All SAFETY WARNING Please ensure that there are no sharp objects around which could cause injury if you fall. Remove all liquids from the vicinity of your keyboard. Remove all animals from the room which may be startled by sudden involuntary movements. Check for correct functionality of heart pacemaker equipment. Are you ready? Trumpets sound .... drums roll ... The next episode of TYRA is complete!!! Yes, the second installment of Arnie's 2002 visit to England has finally been webbed. You may, or may not, have noticed that I have not been so free with my attacks on Arnie in recent months. This is because the delay has been, in part, my fault. Arnie took 2 years to write it and it's taken me nearly 9 months to web it. He was "encouraged" to write part of his TYRA trip when he was here in 2004, as you can see in this picture: http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/work4beer.jpg but by the time he left, he'd only completed a further 3 sections, one of which is the canal boat trip I've just put up on the web. So, when you've got over the shock, get yourself a drink and settle down to enjoy more of Arnie's Adventures. I'd suggest you refresh yourselves on the opening episode of this trip first: http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/yank1.htm Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From jimjirik at earthlink.net Mon Mar 14 06:39:06 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:39:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP Message-ID: <410-22005311414396812@earthlink.net> Can someone help me with some information on this engine I just bought. It's a FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP self oiling engine. One of the, I think it's called, babbit bearings is worn and lets the left side fly wheel wobble. I can move the crank in the bearing slightly by hand. Is there anywhere I can go to get a replacement bearing for this? Also, if anyone has a manual in electronic form that would be greatly appreciated as well. Thanks, Jim Jirik Bonner Springs, KS jimjirik at earthlink.net From f86sabre at kcweb.net Mon Mar 14 08:13:12 2005 From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:13:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Getting back into engines. References: <005e01c52831$ffa10b60$546bcc45@yourtwa0macjqu> Message-ID: <000f01c528b0$bb384770$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> The late Rudy Kouhoupt has an excellent DVD on Bay-Com.com on pinstriping. It isn't cheap, though. Dan Bousman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stojanov" To: Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 7:06 PM Subject: [SEL] Getting back into engines. Dear List, Hello, I've been semi- lurking for the past year or two lately, my collection has been slowly growing, but sitting idle. I haven't had the time or ambition to work on engines lately; I guess thats what happens when a young man begins to grow up, too many distractions! Since the snow has started to part up here in NY, I figure it would be a good time to put the snowmobiles away and get out some old iron once again. Other than thatI have just been working on my family's house. I have a 6hp Worthington and a 4hp Myrick (early style) that need attention, so I think it is time I started working on my engines. One of my biggest concerns with the Worthington is paint. Particulary the pinstriping end of the spectrum. Does anyone have any tips for striping an engine? Also, I have a Novo S model (a 4hp if I recall correctly) that needs the mixer assembly. Would anyone happen to have such a mixer laying out in their shed that they would be willing to part with? I have been in search of one for 2 years now, I missed out on a mixer on eBay, and at one point I couldn't justify paying more for the mixer than what I purchased the engine for. Thanks! Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov Spencerport, NY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 14 08:58:44 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:58:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Getting back into engines. Message-ID: <20050314.115844.792.13.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tommy, Good to hear you're getting into the engines again. As for painting - I do things a little different than most. I quit spraying a long time ago when the price of thinners and automotive paint got too high. I usually wire wheel my engines to bare cast iron. I use Rust-Oleum rusty metal primer - maybe 3 coats - sanding each coat with 280 grit wet-dry. Same with the paint - Rust-Oleum - thinned to a consistency that I like and brush it on thin & almost dry trying not to leave brush marks. Last year I experimented putting a coat or two of spar varnish over the finished paint job. I was pleasantly surprised. As for pin stripping - I picked up a Beuglar Pin Stripping tool at a flea market - $30. www.beugler.com It was a "Jumbo" and not really suited for doing the thinner lines we need. Later, I bought another for $15 at Rogers, OH flea market. It was good but one of the wheels would stick. Later I bought a new Beugler from the company which ran in excess of $100. The Beugler works nice and I recommend it for the amateur who has never used a pin striping brush. Someday I will venture there. You might want to take a peek at my Webshots (In my signature). You might be able to see some of the pin striping I did on my Fuller-Johnson and Jaeger. Good luck. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From segray at mlode.com Mon Mar 14 09:16:52 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:16:52 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off Message-ID: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid family. Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things off my website for his commercial site. No permission, no correspondence, just grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad mouth" the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand he's grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with Lister based equipment. The website in question is http://www.oldstylelisters.com -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Mar 14 10:00:54 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:00:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> Message-ID: <4235D156.106C12EC@insulate.co.uk> Hi Steve Perhaps if he suddenly had a whole lot of folks pointing out that material on his website was STOLEN, which doesn't give his general business a good image? Just let us know which pics they are .... Dolly Steve Gray wrote: > Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English > engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid family. > Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things off > my website for his commercial site. No permission, no correspondence, > just grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad > mouth" the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand > he's grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with > Lister based equipment. The website in question is > http://www.oldstylelisters.com > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From andyglines at hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 11:01:59 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:01:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cast iron repair Message-ID: The repair I'm doing is actually for my steam engine but it seems like an appropriate subject for the engine list. I have a couple of broken or cracked castings to be repaired. I can braze to do the repair but the repaired area sticks out like a sore thumb next to the original surface which is quite rough and pitted. For the repair I ground a V where the crack was and also the surrounding area to shiny metal, After brazing I ground the brass flush with the base metal. Using a ball peen hammer, punches, & my needle scaler I attempted to recreate the pits in the cast iron. Things went pretty well. I may need to beat on it a little more to camoflage the repair. Has anyone else doen this? How did you do it? From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 11:10:09 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:10:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <4235D156.106C12EC@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: I'm guessing this is the page as it looks very framiliar. http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ==================== >From: Jim French > >Just let us know which pics they are .... > >Dolly > >-- >Jim French >fbi at insulate.co.uk >http://www.insulate.co.uk From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Mar 14 11:16:01 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:16:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <4235D156.106C12EC@insulate.co.uk> References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> <4235D156.106C12EC@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050314141437.02646bb0@mail.alltel.net> The name on that website (ANDREE) is familiar, but I just can't think of why! Dave At 01:00 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote: >Hi Steve >Perhaps if he suddenly had a whole lot of folks pointing out that material >on his website was STOLEN, which doesn't give his general business a good >image? >Just let us know which pics they are .... >Dolly >Steve Gray wrote: > > Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English > > engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid family. > > Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things off > > my website for his commercial site. No permission, no correspondence, > > just grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad > > mouth" the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand > > he's grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with > > Lister based equipment. The website in question is > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com From stevebarr at ameritech.net Mon Mar 14 11:32:48 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:32:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Steve Looks like this is one of them...he didn't change the name of the file either... http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html Looks just like one on Steve's site at: http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg Steve --- Jim French wrote: Hi Steve Perhaps if he suddenly had a whole lot of folks pointing out that material on his website was STOLEN, which doesn't give his general business a good image? Just let us know which pics they are .... Dolly Steve Gray wrote: Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid family. Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things off my website for his commercial site. No permission, no correspondence, just grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad mouth" the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand he's grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with Lister based equipment. The website in question is http://www.oldstylelisters.com -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From George_Best at adp.com Mon Mar 14 11:44:12 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:44:12 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Cast iron repair Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF129E10@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> I know a guy who had some engine parts fabricated. The person doing the fabricating used a needle scaler to give the parts some texture and the results looked very good. WAIT George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Andy Glines > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 11:02 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Cast iron repair > > The repair I'm doing is actually for my steam engine but it > seems like an appropriate subject for the engine list. I > have a couple of broken or cracked castings to be repaired. > I can braze to do the repair but the repaired area sticks out > like a sore thumb next to the original surface which is quite > rough and pitted. For the repair I ground a V where the > crack was and also the surrounding area to shiny metal, > After brazing I ground the brass flush with the base metal. > Using a ball peen hammer, punches, & my needle scaler I > attempted to recreate the pits in the cast iron. Things went > pretty well. I may need to beat on it a little more to > camoflage the repair. Has anyone else doen this? How did you do it? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Mar 14 12:11:34 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:11:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> References: 6667 <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> http://www.oldstylelisters.com/images/listgen5.jpg http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg Hmmm, something stinks here! He's stealing photos and using them as "what not to do". And he didn't even modify it! 81310 bytes exactly! So what's wrong with an install with NO idler?? I believe that setup looks fine for what it's intended for, and not just saying that because it's a list member either. Bill > Steve > > Looks like this is one of them...he didn't change the name of the file > either... > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html > > Looks just like one on Steve's site at: > http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg > > Steve > --- Jim French wrote: > Hi Steve > > Perhaps if he suddenly had a whole lot of folks pointing out that material > on his website was STOLEN, which doesn't give his general business a good > image? > Just let us know which pics they are .... > > Dolly > > Steve Gray wrote: > > Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English > engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid family. > > Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things off > my website for his commercial site. No permission, no correspondence, just > grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad mouth" > the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand he's > grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with Lister > based equipment. The website in question is > http://www.oldstylelisters.com > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Mar 14 12:29:12 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:29:12 EST Subject: [SEL] Cast iron repair Message-ID: <128.5892212a.2f674e18@aol.com> Another possibility is to braze, clean, then spread a thin layer of JB Weld and wait a short while. Before it hardens, but after it is no longer sticky, use a textured pad like a 3M pad and push it into the JB Weld, leaving a rough, cast iron like, finish. After paint, you should have the appearance you want. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, MO USA In a message dated 3/14/2005 2:12:00 PM Central Standard Time, George_Best at adp.com writes: I know a guy who had some engine parts fabricated. The person doing the fabricating used a needle scaler to give the parts some texture and the results looked very good. WAIT George From George_Best at adp.com Mon Mar 14 12:52:42 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:52:42 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF129E4E@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> http://home.gwi.net/~dclough/serialpage.html The above is a webpage that was ripped off from me. Years ago I had a Fordson website. In fact I believe it was the first Fordson website. The ISP provider I was using suddenly closed shop and I never relocated my website since I didn't really have the time to support it anyway. On the above page, the rip-off person did add some additional information to the bottom of the page, but all the text and pictures, table, were direct copies of my file. Interesting if you look at the "source" of the page that he happens to have created the page using the same software that I used. WAIT George From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 14 13:07:56 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:07:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP References: <410-22005311414396812@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Jim: www.hitnmiss.com has a downloadable catalog. The one I have shows what you need. The manual is very reasonable. His phone number is 1-440-272-5335 email him at hitnmiss at orwell.net I'd call him during the day or Sat. morning. He's on Eastern Standard Time. Gas Engine Magazine (GEM) also lists more vendors that cater to our insanity. Good Luck RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Jirik" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:39 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > Can someone help me with some information on this engine I just bought. > It's a FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP self oiling engine. One of the, I think it's > called, > babbit bearings is worn and lets the left side fly wheel wobble. I can > move the > crank in the bearing slightly by hand. Is there anywhere I can go to get > a > replacement > bearing for this? > > Also, if anyone has a manual in electronic form that would be greatly > appreciated as well. > > Thanks, > Jim Jirik > Bonner Springs, KS > jimjirik at earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Mon Mar 14 13:35:12 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:35:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off References: 6667 <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <007601c528dd$b521c5a0$121117d1@net.telenet.net> http://www.andree-international.com/ Is the main site for these bozos. Looks like another stolen picture on the first page. I looked around and there are other pictures stolen from other sites as well. I guess they figure it is fine to steal. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/images/listgen5.jpg > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg > > Hmmm, something stinks here! He's stealing photos and using them as "what > not to do". > > And he didn't even modify it! 81310 bytes exactly! > > So what's wrong with an install with NO idler?? > > I believe that setup looks fine for what it's intended for, and not just > saying that because it's a list member either. > > Bill > > > > Steve > > > > Looks like this is one of them...he didn't change the name of the file > > either... > > > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html > > > > Looks just like one on Steve's site at: > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg > > > > Steve > > --- Jim French wrote: > > Hi Steve > > > > Perhaps if he suddenly had a whole lot of folks pointing out that material > > on his website was STOLEN, which doesn't give his general business a good > > image? > > Just let us know which pics they are .... > > > > Dolly > > > > Steve Gray wrote: > > > > Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English > > engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid family. > > > > Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things off > > my website for his commercial site. No permission, no correspondence, just > > grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad mouth" > > the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand he's > > grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with Lister > > based equipment. The website in question is > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com > > > > -- > > Jim French > > fbi at insulate.co.uk > > http://www.insulate.co.uk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jimjirik at earthlink.net Mon Mar 14 13:51:36 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:51:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP Message-ID: <410-220053114215136574@earthlink.net> Thank you! Jim > [Original Message] > From: Richard Strobel > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 3/14/2005 3:09:51 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > Hi Jim: > > www.hitnmiss.com has a downloadable catalog. The one I have shows what you > need. The manual is very reasonable. > His phone number is 1-440-272-5335 > email him at hitnmiss at orwell.net > > I'd call him during the day or Sat. morning. He's on Eastern Standard Time. > > Gas Engine Magazine (GEM) also lists more vendors that cater to our > insanity. > > Good Luck > RickinMt. > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Jirik" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:39 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > > > Can someone help me with some information on this engine I just bought. > > It's a FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP self oiling engine. One of the, I think it's > > called, > > babbit bearings is worn and lets the left side fly wheel wobble. I can > > move the > > crank in the bearing slightly by hand. Is there anywhere I can go to get > > a > > replacement > > bearing for this? > > > > Also, if anyone has a manual in electronic form that would be greatly > > appreciated as well. > > > > Thanks, > > Jim Jirik > > Bonner Springs, KS > > jimjirik at earthlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 14 14:04:14 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:04:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP References: <410-22005311414396812@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008b01c528e2$1a97c0c0$0301a8c0@Reg> Without seeing it, I think the shaft may be bent. It happened to a LOT of old engines. Not too hard to straighten though. A fair amount of slack on a bearing still wont show up as a wobble on the wheel. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Jirik" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:39 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > Can someone help me with some information on this engine I just bought. > It's a FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP self oiling engine. One of the, I think it's > called, > babbit bearings is worn and lets the left side fly wheel wobble. I can > move the > crank in the bearing slightly by hand. Is there anywhere I can go to get a > replacement > bearing for this? > > Also, if anyone has a manual in electronic form that would be greatly > appreciated as well. > > Thanks, > Jim Jirik > Bonner Springs, KS > jimjirik at earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 14:10:20 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:10:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cast iron repair In-Reply-To: <128.5892212a.2f674e18@aol.com> Message-ID: And if you don't want to paint, you can match rusty cast iron by walking over to your wire wheel on your work bench and scoop up a handfull of rust from the part you just finished wire brushing. Then sprinkle it on the JB weld while it's still tacky and work it in lightly with the 3M pad and when it dries you can linseed oil the whole thing and it looks the same! From the shop of the Cloistered Oysters. >From: MaytagTwin at aol.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Cast iron repair >Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:29:12 EST > >Another possibility is to braze, clean, then spread a thin layer of JB Weld >and wait a short while. Before it hardens, but after it is no longer >sticky, >use a textured pad like a 3M pad and push it into the JB Weld, leaving a >rough, >cast iron like, finish. After paint, you should have the appearance you >want. > >Regards, >Ron Carroll >Clearmont, MO USA > >In a message dated 3/14/2005 2:12:00 PM Central Standard Time, >George_Best at adp.com writes: >I know a guy who had some engine parts fabricated. The person doing the >fabricating used a needle scaler to give the parts some texture and the >results looked very good. > >WAIT George >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Mar 14 14:13:06 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:13:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off References: 6667 <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <007601c528dd$b521c5a0$121117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <42360C72.44071D6D@insulate.co.uk> The stupid thing is, that in a lot of cases, if someone bothered to ASK if they could use your pictures and information, chances are you'd say yes. But no-one likes having their efforts stolen, uncredited. My "other" hobby is sewing, and I sometimes send pictures of what I've created to the designers or project creators. In turn, they ask if they can use those to inspire more of their customers. I always agree unreservedly - it's great to share ideas and I get a bit of credit to feed my ego. Everybody's happy. Dolly "Steve W." wrote: > http://www.andree-international.com/ > > Is the main site for these bozos. Looks like another stolen picture on > the first page. I looked around and there are other pictures stolen from > other sites as well. I guess they figure it is fine to steal. > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Mar 14 14:21:48 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:21:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <007601c528dd$b521c5a0$121117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <6667 <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <007601c528dd$b521c5a0$121117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050314172004.0265ee10@mail.alltel.net> andree--why the hell does that name seem so familiar? Dave At 04:35 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote: >http://www.andree-international.com/ > >Is the main site for these bozos. Looks like another stolen picture on >the first page. I looked around and there are other pictures stolen from >other sites as well. I guess they figure it is fine to steal. > > >Steve Williams > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:11 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off > > > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/images/listgen5.jpg > > > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg > > > > Hmmm, something stinks here! He's stealing photos and using them as >"what > > not to do". > > > > And he didn't even modify it! 81310 bytes exactly! > > > > So what's wrong with an install with NO idler?? > > > > I believe that setup looks fine for what it's intended for, and not >just > > saying that because it's a list member either. > > > > Bill > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > Looks like this is one of them...he didn't change the name of the >file > > > either... > > > > > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html > > > > > > Looks just like one on Steve's site at: > > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg > > > > > > Steve > > > --- Jim French wrote: > > > Hi Steve > > > > > > Perhaps if he suddenly had a whole lot of folks pointing out that >material > > > on his website was STOLEN, which doesn't give his general business a >good > > > image? > > > Just let us know which pics they are .... > > > > > > Dolly > > > > > > Steve Gray wrote: > > > > > > Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English > > > engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid >family. > > > > > > Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things >off > > > my website for his commercial site. No permission, no >correspondence, just > > > grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad >mouth" > > > the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand >he's > > > grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with >Lister > > > based equipment. The website in question is > > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com > > > > > > -- > > > Jim French > > > fbi at insulate.co.uk > > > http://www.insulate.co.uk > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jimjirik at earthlink.net Mon Mar 14 14:23:49 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:23:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP Message-ID: <410-220053114222349724@earthlink.net> I'm new to this so maybe you can help me further. I thought it was bent, but also thought it would be pretty hard to bend a shaft that big. It wobbles enough that the engine doesn't sit still when it's running. How does one go about straightening the shaft?????? Jim > [Original Message] > From: Reg Ingold > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 3/15/2005 2:07:17 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > Without seeing it, I think the shaft may be bent. It happened to a LOT of > old engines. Not too hard to straighten though. A fair amount of slack on a > bearing still wont show up as a wobble on the wheel. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Jirik" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:39 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > > > Can someone help me with some information on this engine I just bought. > > It's a FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP self oiling engine. One of the, I think it's > > called, > > babbit bearings is worn and lets the left side fly wheel wobble. I can > > move the > > crank in the bearing slightly by hand. Is there anywhere I can go to get > a > > replacement > > bearing for this? > > > > Also, if anyone has a manual in electronic form that would be greatly > > appreciated as well. > > > > Thanks, > > Jim Jirik > > Bonner Springs, KS > > jimjirik at earthlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 14 14:27:17 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:27:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Belt lacing WoW Message-ID: Howdy all; Took a good look at the GenSet today and thought ya'll might enjoy or try this belt lacing circa ~1920ish. My first look..no big deal..I can do that: http://community.webshots.com/photo/291395326/295595468wnQLjX And then I turned it over and WoW!! Try this the morning after the night before....and thanks for being my guinea pig on photo editing!! Need to make it smaller in size don't I? sorry http://community.webshots.com/photo/295593286/295593286AdGvYN enjoy RickinsnowyMt. PS: Like to see that on a 10" belt. From stevebarr at ameritech.net Mon Mar 14 14:34:00 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:34:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050314223400.32285.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> What happened to their belt tensioner??? http://www.andrees.biz/ What does it cost the company when you start calling their 800 number??? Steve B. --- "Steve W." wrote: http://www.andree-international.com/ Is the main site for these bozos. Looks like another stolen picture on the first page. I looked around and there are other pictures stolen from other sites as well. I guess they figure it is fine to steal. Steve Williams From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Mar 14 14:34:05 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:34:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP In-Reply-To: <008b01c528e2$1a97c0c0$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <410-22005311414396812@earthlink.net> <008b01c528e2$1a97c0c0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050314173144.0262d328@mail.alltel.net> At 05:04 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote: >Without seeing it, I think the shaft may be bent. >Reg & Marg Ingold. Hi Reg, Thanks for your input! I think you are probably right, but at my age the fact that it works at all is a godsend! Dave From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Mon Mar 14 14:40:21 2005 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:40:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: I agree Bill, There doesn't really need to be an idler in there, I setup my generator with a similar arrangement except I used 2 v-belts and it works fine. I've put quite a few hours on it, and the belts didn't require any adjustment... >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/images/listgen5.jpg > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg > > Hmmm, something stinks here! He's stealing photos and using them as "what > not to do". > > And he didn't even modify it! 81310 bytes exactly! > > So what's wrong with an install with NO idler?? > > I believe that setup looks fine for what it's intended for, and not just > saying that because it's a list member either. > > Bill > > > > Steve > > > > Looks like this is one of them...he didn't change the name of the file > > either... > > > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html > > > > Looks just like one on Steve's site at: > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg > > > > Steve > > --- Jim French wrote: > > Hi Steve > > > > Perhaps if he suddenly had a whole lot of folks pointing out that material > > on his website was STOLEN, which doesn't give his general business a good > > image? > > Just let us know which pics they are .... > > > > Dolly > > > > Steve Gray wrote: > > > > Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English > > engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid family. > > > > Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things off > > my website for his commercial site. No permission, no correspondence, just > > grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad mouth" > > the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand he's > > grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with Lister > > based equipment. The website in question is > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com > > > > -- > > Jim French > > fbi at insulate.co.uk > > http://www.insulate.co.uk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From solarrog at pacbell.net Mon Mar 14 14:57:30 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:57:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] FBM Z 3 hp parts Free, no dough, keep your cash References: <410-220053114222349724@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002501c528e9$34835380$52687343@D6R3D961> I have a couple crankshafts, one bare rusty block for free, Im tied of looking at them, This is for pickup only Im located in Fremont, Ca Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 14 14:53:34 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:53:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP References: <410-220053114222349724@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005401c528ea$a9d209a0$0301a8c0@Reg> An awful lot can be achieved with a sash cramp and a few wood wedges. A lot depends on how robust the spokes are. A solid wheel is an easy 'pull' job. I have had most success going from the buckled rim to the shaft end on the other side but, if you can wedge the good side firmly, then you can pull against it. Common sense and a bit of 'feel' for what you are doing is the order of things. If you doubt the ability of the wheel to take the stress, dont do it. The shafts are mostly mild steel and, if it bent cold, it will come back cold too. If you apply heat, it will bend in a new spot. It changes things so much, that without a huge press, you will go nowhere. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Jirik" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > I'm new to this so maybe you can help me further. I thought it was bent, > but also thought it would be pretty hard to bend a shaft that big. It > wobbles enough that the engine doesn't sit still when it's running. How > does one go about straightening the shaft?????? > > Jim > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Reg Ingold > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: 3/15/2005 2:07:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > > > Without seeing it, I think the shaft may be bent. It happened to a LOT of > > old engines. Not too hard to straighten though. A fair amount of slack on > a > > bearing still wont show up as a wobble on the wheel. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Jirik" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:39 AM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > > > > > > Can someone help me with some information on this engine I just bought. > > > It's a FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP self oiling engine. One of the, I think > it's > > > called, > > > babbit bearings is worn and lets the left side fly wheel wobble. I can > > > move the > > > crank in the bearing slightly by hand. Is there anywhere I can go to > get > > a > > > replacement > > > bearing for this? > > > > > > Also, if anyone has a manual in electronic form that would be greatly > > > appreciated as well. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Jim Jirik > > > Bonner Springs, KS > > > jimjirik at earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 14 14:42:07 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:42:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off References: <6667 <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com><44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com><007601c528dd$b521c5a0$121117d1@net.telenet.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050314172004.0265ee10@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <009401c528e7$0df8e920$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > andree--why the hell does that name seem so familiar? > Dave > Stolen from Luke's piles of pics http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port00/port00dave_economy.jpg Curt Andree is the bearded chap behind the Galloway , and to your right , cold drink , contented look. Not the concerned look , thats Keith . Chuck ? From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Mar 14 15:46:55 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:46:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13f3a061d08d3388252c85d95bfe2d78@chartertn.net> Just apply Rob's solution. Rename the picture on your site and change the reference on your page to match. Then put a nice porno shot of a 500-pounder on your server with the same filename as the original image. Bet he'll see the error of his ways. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Mar 14 15:53:52 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:53:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050314172004.0265ee10@mail.alltel.net> References: <6667 <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <007601c528dd$b521c5a0$121117d1@net.telenet.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050314172004.0265ee10@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: This is NOT Curt Andree's website. The old man's name is Willem Andree, best I can tell. Looked at the Andree Family page. Curt Andree is an off-and-on List member. Seems to be a nice enough fellow. John On Mar 14, 2005, at 5:21 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > andree--why the hell does that name seem so familiar? > Dave John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Mar 14 16:00:01 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:00:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Finished truck. Message-ID: <001f01c528f1$eff9c4c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi All, Finished my new made engine truck today and to me it looks good. It can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/finishedtruck.jpg When you like to see the whole cyclus how I did it, take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/truckmakingpage.htm Here will you see and read the idea I had in mind to constructing it. My wife is happy by now, she has the man in the house again :o)) John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 14 14:56:19 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:56:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP References: <410-220053114222349724@earthlink.net> <005401c528ea$a9d209a0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <00be01c528e9$0a4c7100$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> . > If you doubt the ability of the wheel to take the stress, dont do it. > The shafts are mostly mild steel and, if it bent cold, it will come back > cold too. If you apply heat, it will bend in a new spot. It changes things > so much, that without a huge press, you will go nowhere . Yes ! You get to rap it smartly with a pein ! If the mains are worn enough the con rod could push the crank to and fro , up and down . the flywheels would appear to wobble , (actually jump around and ammer )but not just ONE of them Both wheels will have to flop around before it could be considerd to have anything to do with bearings . You want to prove it to yourself ? take a tape measure and measure between the wheels, roll the motor around 180 degrees and measure again . the numbers will be different if the crank is bent . One of the things I carry a tape at swaps for is to watch for bent cranks . They throw em off the truck onto the ground at thats it . Enjoy your new toy . Chuck ? http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 14 15:57:10 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:57:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP References: <410-22005311414396812@earthlink.net><008b01c528e2$1a97c0c0$0301a8c0@Reg> <6.1.2.0.0.20050314173144.0262d328@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <007201c528f3$0f03d300$0301a8c0@Reg> I know what you mean!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > At 05:04 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote: > >Without seeing it, I think the shaft may be bent. > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Hi Reg, Thanks for your input! I think you are probably right, but at my > age the fact that it works at all is a godsend! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From eddy93 at iowatelecom.net Mon Mar 14 16:25:19 2005 From: eddy93 at iowatelecom.net (eddy93) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:25:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Frank Eddy's death Message-ID: <001101c528f5$8033bca0$bd5f4245@yourpd3mh0abgs> Hi! This is Frank's wife Judy. I just wanted to let the list know that Frank died this afternoon at work. We don't know what happened. They are going to do an autopsy. He so enjoyed talking with all of you. I know he would want you to know. I will list details of his funeral when I know more. Judy Eddy From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 14 15:29:03 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:29:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Getting back into engines. References: <005e01c52831$ffa10b60$546bcc45@yourtwa0macjqu> <00f101c5283b$264a1d20$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <010d01c528ed$9c5c9300$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > I spent up and bought a Beugler lining tool. It is a good unit to have. It > takes some practice but the end result is better than a brush in by shop. > A lot of engines are getting around with lines put there with this tool. > > > Dear List, > Hello, I've been semi- lurking for the past year or two lately, my > collection has been slowly growing, Tommy ! I remember you , you called me on the phone one day right ......;-) Note , Duplicolor now has has striping pens suspisciously like the buegler aint seen one up close yet , but it looks like one from here . Like pepper with a built in grinder what an idea !!!!!!! Chuck http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From rholtzer at earthlink.net Mon Mar 14 16:40:00 2005 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:40:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Cast iron repair In-Reply-To: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF129E10@lexus.plaza.ds.adp. com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20050314163831.00c64388@mail.earthlink.net> I have used the needle scaler as you suggest. It does reduce the shine considerable. It won't make pits but in general looks much better than doing nothing! Bob Holtzer At 11:44 AM 3/14/2005 -0800, you wrote: >I know a guy who had some engine parts fabricated. The person doing the >fabricating used a needle scaler to give the parts some texture and the >results looked very good. > >WAIT George > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > Andy Glines > > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 11:02 AM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] Cast iron repair > > > > The repair I'm doing is actually for my steam engine but it > > seems like an appropriate subject for the engine list. I > > have a couple of broken or cracked castings to be repaired. > > I can braze to do the repair but the repaired area sticks out > > like a sore thumb next to the original surface which is quite > > rough and pitted. For the repair I ground a V where the > > crack was and also the surrounding area to shiny metal, > > After brazing I ground the brass flush with the base metal. > > Using a ball peen hammer, punches, & my needle scaler I > > attempted to recreate the pits in the cast iron. Things went > > pretty well. I may need to beat on it a little more to > > camoflage the repair. Has anyone else doen this? How did you do it? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Mar 14 16:40:13 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:40:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <13f3a061d08d3388252c85d95bfe2d78@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <200503150040.j2F0eeVP026285@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Problem with that is that in Rob's case, the person was linking to pics on Rob's site - this case, they have actually "taken" a copy of the file and put it on their site. Rob could change the pic and his web site to display something not so nice when someone attempted to link from a different domain. In Rob's case, they stole bandwidth, not just the pic. Otherwise, I'd be thrilled to help........... Rob's solution was BRILLIANT! Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 5:47 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off Just apply Rob's solution. Rename the picture on your site and change the reference on your page to match. Then put a nice porno shot of a 500-pounder on your server with the same filename as the original image. Bet he'll see the error of his ways. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 14 16:45:09 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:45:09 EST Subject: [SEL] Finished truck. Message-ID: <30.6e4ccdef.2f678a15@aol.com> In a message dated 3/14/2005 7:40:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, jg.hammink at quicknet.nl writes: << Finished my new made engine truck today and to me it looks good. It can be seen at: >> John, As usual a beautiful job!! Thanks for the earlier photos you sent me. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 14 16:45:58 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:45:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Frank Eddy's death References: <001101c528f5$8033bca0$bd5f4245@yourpd3mh0abgs> Message-ID: <00ba01c528f8$5cc9b2d0$230110ac@PAUL> Judy I am so sadden and sorry to hear of Frank's death. My prayers will be with you and your family. May God Bless you and give you strength to endure your loss. My sincere condolences, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "eddy93" To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 6:25 PM Subject: [SEL] Frank Eddy's death > Hi! This is Frank's wife Judy. I just wanted to let the list know that > Frank died this afternoon at work. We don't know what happened. They > are > going to do an autopsy. He so enjoyed talking with all of you. I know he > would want you to know. I will list details of his funeral when I know > more. Judy Eddy > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 14 16:48:21 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:48:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Finished truck. References: <001f01c528f1$eff9c4c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <00ce01c528f8$ba27fb30$230110ac@PAUL> WOW!, John this is one beautiful truck, what a great job. I cannot wait to see the engine sitting on it. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "Stat.eng.org" ; "SEL" Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 6:00 PM Subject: [SEL] Finished truck. > Hi All, > > Finished my new made engine truck today and to me it looks good. > It can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/finishedtruck.jpg > > When you like to see the whole cyclus how I did it, take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/truckmakingpage.htm > > Here will you see and read the idea I had in mind to constructing it. > My wife is happy by now, she has the man in the house again :o)) > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From d.fleming at sasktel.net Mon Mar 14 16:44:11 2005 From: d.fleming at sasktel.net (Don & Kay Fleming) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:44:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cast iron repair References: Message-ID: <001e01c528f8$deb68070$1dc46e40@2S4KN5K0H3> Andy I had a hole about 1" X 2" in an engine head. A friend brazed in a piece of cast iron to fill in the hole. We ground it smooth and then sand blasted the area. After painting you will be hard pressed to find the repair. Don Fleming Kipling, Sk. Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Glines" To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 1:01 PM Subject: [SEL] Cast iron repair > The repair I'm doing is actually for my steam engine but it seems like an > appropriate subject for the engine list. I have a couple of broken or > cracked castings to be repaired. I can braze to do the repair but the > repaired area sticks out like a sore thumb next to the original surface > which is quite rough and pitted. For the repair I ground a V where the > crack was and also the surrounding area to shiny metal, After brazing I > ground the brass flush with the base metal. Using a ball peen hammer, > punches, & my needle scaler I attempted to recreate the pits in the cast > iron. Things went pretty well. I may need to beat on it a little more to > camoflage the repair. Has anyone else doen this? How did you do it? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 14 15:47:46 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:47:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] MORE stolen photos WANTED Message-ID: <012901c528f0$3b640580$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> I have a pile of files of all the photographs I get in emails , along with the nitwits on the forklift ...... I want to put up a site with the grenaded , windowed , ventilated , exploded and otherwide destroyed flywheel engines . Partly to satify morbid curiosity and partly as a cautionary tale (Many had sleeve retention issues on rebuilds) These are modern failures .They are at shows , in backyards . If I have a picture of your engine all layed out like a gutted carp for the world to see , and you find it embarrasing . I am real sorry about that and all . there ya go . I got one with a guy in his underwear that went for a ride on a flywheel . A cautionary tale , yes, but I think I'll ASK about THAT ONE . Anyone with catastrophic failure photos to add to the pile . Just shoot it my way . Chuck? http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 14 16:53:09 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:53:09 EST Subject: [SEL] Frank Eddy's death Message-ID: <84.4155516a.2f678bf5@aol.com> In a message dated 3/14/2005 7:42:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, eddy93 at iowatelecom.net writes: << This is Frank's wife Judy. I just wanted to let the list know that Frank died this afternoon at work. We don't know what happened. They are going to do an autopsy. He so enjoyed talking with all of you. I know he would want you to know. I will list details of his funeral when I know more. Judy Eddy >> Hello Judy, I am very sorry for the untimely loss of your husband. There are a lot of nice folks on this old engine list who have become friends from over the world. We will keep you in our prayers. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Mar 14 17:07:19 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:07:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP In-Reply-To: <410-220053114222349724@earthlink.net> References: <410-220053114222349724@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42363547.9030906@fidnet.com> Hi Jim, I have no experience with straightening crankshafts, but someone on the list,perhaps Ron Haskell, has some experience in this area, and I believe has pictures on his website. Gary Jim Jirik wrote: > I'm new to this so maybe you can help me further. I thought it was bent, > but also thought it would be pretty hard to bend a shaft that big. It > wobbles enough that the engine doesn't sit still when it's running. How > does one go about straightening the shaft?????? > > Jim > > > >>[Original Message] >>From: Reg Ingold >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Date: 3/15/2005 2:07:17 PM >>Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP >> >>Without seeing it, I think the shaft may be bent. It happened to a LOT of >>old engines. Not too hard to straighten though. A fair amount of slack on > > a > >>bearing still wont show up as a wobble on the wheel. >>Reg & Marg Ingold. >>Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jim Jirik" >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:39 AM >>Subject: RE: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP >> >> >> >>>Can someone help me with some information on this engine I just bought. >>>It's a FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP self oiling engine. One of the, I think > > it's > >>>called, >>>babbit bearings is worn and lets the left side fly wheel wobble. I can >>>move the >>>crank in the bearing slightly by hand. Is there anywhere I can go to > > get > >>a >> >>>replacement >>>bearing for this? >>> >>>Also, if anyone has a manual in electronic form that would be greatly >>>appreciated as well. >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Jim Jirik >>>Bonner Springs, KS >>>jimjirik at earthlink.net >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From jimjirik at earthlink.net Mon Mar 14 17:11:57 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:11:57 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP Message-ID: <11970237.1110849117538.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> I took a tape to the flywheels and measured between them in different positions. At most places it measured 17-1/4", but there was a place that it was 1/16th more. Is that enough to assume a bent shaft? And to let you know, it is only the one flywheel that wobbles. The other seems to run true. Jim Jirik -----Original Message----- From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sent: Mar 14, 2005 4:56 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP . > If you doubt the ability of the wheel to take the stress, dont do it. > The shafts are mostly mild steel and, if it bent cold, it will come back > cold too. If you apply heat, it will bend in a new spot. It changes things > so much, that without a huge press, you will go nowhere . Yes ! You get to rap it smartly with a pein ! If the mains are worn enough the con rod could push the crank to and fro , up and down . the flywheels would appear to wobble , (actually jump around and ammer )but not just ONE of them Both wheels will have to flop around before it could be considerd to have anything to do with bearings . You want to prove it to yourself ? take a tape measure and measure between the wheels, roll the motor around 180 degrees and measure again . the numbers will be different if the crank is bent . One of the things I carry a tape at swaps for is to watch for bent cranks . They throw em off the truck onto the ground at thats it . Enjoy your new toy . Chuck ? http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 14 15:11:01 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:11:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Are you sitting comfortably? References: <42359FCE.33D843F@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <00f101c528eb$18230120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > You may, or may not, have noticed that I have not been so free with my > attacks on Arnie in recent months You have been very cordial , indeed Are there any oilfield engine shots in there ? Running , oilfield , engines . Surely there was one in all of England he got to run Chuck "needles" Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From siberianhusky2003 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 18:00:22 2005 From: siberianhusky2003 at hotmail.com (big dog) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 02:00:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] carb. for a 4hp cushman cub Message-ID: im loking for a carb for a 4hp cushman cub stationary engine.if someone can help me it would be greatly appreciated. thank-you ..paul. From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Mar 14 17:58:28 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:58:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <200503150040.j2F0eeVP026285@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200503150040.j2F0eeVP026285@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Yeah, I realized it after I'd posted it. John On Mar 14, 2005, at 7:40 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: > Problem with that is that in Rob's case, the person was linking to > pics on > Rob's site - this case, they have actually "taken" a copy of the file > and > put it on their site. > Rob could change the pic and his web site to display something not so > nice > when someone attempted to link from a different domain. > In Rob's case, they stole bandwidth, not just the pic. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 14 17:44:31 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:44:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Frank Eddy's death References: <001101c528f5$8033bca0$bd5f4245@yourpd3mh0abgs> Message-ID: <00b901c52904$01584fe0$0301a8c0@Reg> Judy, Speaking as am Oz member of the list, we are so sorry to hear this news. Please accept my heartfelt sympathy at this terrible time in your life. It is a sad fact that, the better the journey, the harder it is at the end. You are in my thoughts. Hang in there. There are a LOT of us who will be with you in spirit during the upcoming hard days. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "eddy93" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 11:25 AM Subject: [SEL] Frank Eddy's death > Hi! This is Frank's wife Judy. I just wanted to let the list know that > Frank died this afternoon at work. We don't know what happened. They are > going to do an autopsy. He so enjoyed talking with all of you. I know he > would want you to know. I will list details of his funeral when I know > more. Judy Eddy > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 14 17:50:47 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:50:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP References: <11970237.1110849117538.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00bb01c52904$025bb620$0301a8c0@Reg> If you show 1/16th variation, that will give you a 1/8th runout. And I bet it looks awful !! It should pull back ok. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Jirik" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > I took a tape to the flywheels and measured between them in different positions. At most places it measured 17-1/4", but there was a place that it was 1/16th more. Is that enough to assume a bent shaft? And to let you know, it is only the one flywheel that wobbles. The other seems to run true. > > Jim Jirik > > -----Original Message----- > From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net > Sent: Mar 14, 2005 4:56 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > > . > > If you doubt the ability of the wheel to take the stress, dont do it. > > The shafts are mostly mild steel and, if it bent cold, it will come back > > cold too. If you apply heat, it will bend in a new spot. It changes things > > so much, that without a huge press, you will go nowhere . > > > > Yes ! You get to rap it smartly with a pein ! > > If the mains are worn enough > the con rod could push the crank to and fro , up and down . > the flywheels would appear to wobble , (actually jump around and > ammer )but not just ONE of them > Both wheels will have to flop around before it could be considerd to have > anything to do with bearings . > You want to prove it to yourself ? take a tape measure and measure > between the wheels, roll the motor around > 180 degrees and measure again . the numbers will be different if the crank > is bent . > One of the things I carry a tape at swaps for is to watch for bent cranks . > They throw em off the truck onto the ground > at thats it . Enjoy your new toy . > > > Chuck ? > http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From solarrog at pacbell.net Mon Mar 14 18:43:28 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:43:28 -0800 Subject: [SEL] carb. for a 4hp cushman cub References: Message-ID: <013601c52908$c5b0e970$52687343@D6R3D961> I believe the carbs are the same on the 2,3,4 HP cubs if anybody has had a different experience please speak up take a look at item 7500370264 on ebay I sure hope I havent broken the rules by responding to this question. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "big dog" To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 6:00 PM Subject: [SEL] carb. for a 4hp cushman cub > im loking for a carb for a 4hp cushman cub stationary engine.if someone > can help me it would be greatly appreciated. thank-you ..paul. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 14 18:46:59 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:46:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Finished truck. Message-ID: <20050314.214720.1208.17.jlb94@juno.com> Excellent job !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 14 18:44:25 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:44:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP Message-ID: <20050314.214720.1208.15.jlb94@juno.com> Are you for real ??? 1/16 of an inch difference ain't gonna make any difference in running an engine. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 14 18:40:31 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:40:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Frank Eddy's death Message-ID: <20050314.214720.1208.14.jlb94@juno.com> You have our deepest sympathies. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jimjirik at earthlink.net Mon Mar 14 18:55:13 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:55:13 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP Message-ID: <14922289.1110855313089.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Reg, I appreciate your help, but I need it spelled out a little better for me! I'm just a stupid salesman so forgive my slow uptake. You made the following statement in your earlier response: "An awful lot can be achieved with a sash cramp and a few wood wedges." I don't know what a sash cramp is!! Maybe you can spell it out a little better for me- I would appreciate it Thanks, Jim Jirik -----Original Message----- From: Reg Ingold Sent: Mar 14, 2005 7:50 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP If you show 1/16th variation, that will give you a 1/8th runout. And I bet it looks awful !! It should pull back ok. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Jirik" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > I took a tape to the flywheels and measured between them in different positions. At most places it measured 17-1/4", but there was a place that it was 1/16th more. Is that enough to assume a bent shaft? And to let you know, it is only the one flywheel that wobbles. The other seems to run true. > > Jim Jirik > > -----Original Message----- > From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net > Sent: Mar 14, 2005 4:56 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > > . > > If you doubt the ability of the wheel to take the stress, dont do it. > > The shafts are mostly mild steel and, if it bent cold, it will come back > > cold too. If you apply heat, it will bend in a new spot. It changes things > > so much, that without a huge press, you will go nowhere . > > > > Yes ! You get to rap it smartly with a pein ! > > If the mains are worn enough > the con rod could push the crank to and fro , up and down . > the flywheels would appear to wobble , (actually jump around and > ammer )but not just ONE of them > Both wheels will have to flop around before it could be considerd to have > anything to do with bearings . > You want to prove it to yourself ? take a tape measure and measure > between the wheels, roll the motor around > 180 degrees and measure again . the numbers will be different if the crank > is bent . > One of the things I carry a tape at swaps for is to watch for bent cranks . > They throw em off the truck onto the ground > at thats it . Enjoy your new toy . > > > Chuck ? > http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Mar 14 19:53:39 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:53:39 -0800 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP Message-ID: <20050314.195339.1064.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. This worked for me. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31185124&f= Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:07:19 -0600 Gary Epps writes: > Hi Jim, > > I have no experience with straightening crankshafts, but someone on > the > list,perhaps Ron Haskell, has some experience in this area, and I > believe has pictures on his website. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 14 20:18:48 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:18:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP References: <14922289.1110855313089.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <010301c52919$170bd5e0$0301a8c0@Reg> Ive answered this with pics off list. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Jirik" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > Reg, > > I appreciate your help, but I need it spelled out a little better for me! I'm just a stupid salesman so forgive my slow uptake. You made the following statement in your earlier response: > > "An awful lot can be achieved with a sash cramp and a few wood wedges." > > > I don't know what a sash cramp is!! Maybe you can spell it out a little better for me- I would appreciate it > > Thanks, > Jim Jirik From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Mar 14 21:27:30 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:27:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <200503150040.j2F0eeVP026285@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200503150040.j2F0eeVP026285@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <42367242.4010400@earthlink.net> Just sent these assholes an e-mail. Maybe I'll get a response and a real contact e-mail that can be used to do some damage. They have pretty well covered their ass to avoid what we would like to do. Great big pictures that we could share with them in a well timed manner. Sure hope they reply to Ben Dover. If so we can plan an attack. Not exactly a DOS but damn close. Still thinking of other ways to **** these folks. It just ain't right what they did. Jeff Bill Dickerson wrote: >Problem with that is that in Rob's case, the person was linking to pics on >Rob's site - this case, they have actually "taken" a copy of the file and >put it on their site. >Rob could change the pic and his web site to display something not so nice >when someone attempted to link from a different domain. >In Rob's case, they stole bandwidth, not just the pic. > >Otherwise, I'd be thrilled to help........... Rob's solution was BRILLIANT! > >Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp >Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 5:47 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off > >Just apply Rob's solution. Rename the picture on your site and change the >reference on your page to match. Then put a nice porno shot of a 500-pounder >on your server with the same filename as the original image. Bet he'll see >the error of his ways. > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Mar 14 21:48:29 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:48:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP In-Reply-To: <010301c52919$170bd5e0$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <14922289.1110855313089.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <010301c52919$170bd5e0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <4236772D.6050401@fidnet.com> OK, Reg, just what is a "sash cramp"? :) Several images come to mind, but I will wait for you to enlighten me if you will. Gary Reg Ingold wrote: > Ive answered this with pics off list. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Jirik" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:55 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > > >>Reg, >> >>I appreciate your help, but I need it spelled out a little better for me! > > I'm just a stupid salesman so forgive my slow uptake. You made the > following statement in your earlier response: > >>"An awful lot can be achieved with a sash cramp and a few wood wedges." >> >> >>I don't know what a sash cramp is!! Maybe you can spell it out a little > > better for me- I would appreciate it > >>Thanks, >>Jim Jirik > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 14 23:39:52 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:39:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP References: <14922289.1110855313089.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net><010301c52919$170bd5e0$0301a8c0@Reg> <4236772D.6050401@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <014001c52932$613e3ea0$0301a8c0@Reg> Its a long adjustable clamp used for making window frames. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > OK, Reg, just what is a "sash cramp"? :) Several images come to mind, > but I will wait for you to enlighten me if you will. > > Gary > > Reg Ingold wrote: > > Ive answered this with pics off list. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Jirik" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > > > > > > >>Reg, > >> > >>I appreciate your help, but I need it spelled out a little better for me! > > > > I'm just a stupid salesman so forgive my slow uptake. You made the > > following statement in your earlier response: > > > >>"An awful lot can be achieved with a sash cramp and a few wood wedges." > >> > >> > >>I don't know what a sash cramp is!! Maybe you can spell it out a little > > > > better for me- I would appreciate it > > > >>Thanks, > >>Jim Jirik > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move > at a leisurely pace. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Mar 15 00:28:25 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:28:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off - wanna know who they really are? In-Reply-To: <42367242.4010400@earthlink.net> References: <200503150040.j2F0eeVP026285@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <42367242.4010400@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42369CA9.4040509@steamengine.com.au> Try this: As for their 1,000,000 domains... whois gives us who they really belong to :) Domain name: oldstylelisters.com Registrant Contact: Willem Andree (willem_andree at yahoo.com) +1.3603049697 Fax: (000) 000-0000 1714 North Pearl Centralia, WA 98531 US Toll Free: 1-800-880-3864 Tel/Fax: (360) 736-3968 I *like* unix tools :) Whoever they are, they are certainly spread out... they're into engines, childcare (daycare), foods... oh, and here is my personal favourite of their sites.... http://www.andree-family.com/ This one has a guestbook... I think you all know what to do with it! Paul & yeah I'm still here... just lurking most of the time :) & Jeff Allen wrote: > Just sent these assholes an e-mail. Maybe I'll get a response and a real > contact e-mail that can be used to do some damage. They have pretty well > covered their ass to avoid what we would like to do. Great big pictures > that we could share with them in a well timed manner. Sure hope they > reply to Ben Dover. If so we can plan an attack. Not exactly a DOS but > damn close. Still thinking of other ways to **** these folks. It just > ain't right what they did. > > Jeff > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005 From guitronics at comcast.net Tue Mar 15 00:39:56 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 03:39:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: 6667 <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <42369F5C.9010707@comcast.net> What idler?I'm serious. bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >http://www.oldstylelisters.com/images/listgen5.jpg > >http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg > >Hmmm, something stinks here! He's stealing photos and using them as "what >not to do". > >And he didn't even modify it! 81310 bytes exactly! > >So what's wrong with an install with NO idler?? > >I believe that setup looks fine for what it's intended for, and not just >saying that because it's a list member either. > >Bill > > > > >>Steve >> >>Looks like this is one of them...he didn't change the name of the file >>either... >> >>http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html >> >>Looks just like one on Steve's site at: >>http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg >> >>Steve >>--- Jim French wrote: >>Hi Steve >> >>Perhaps if he suddenly had a whole lot of folks pointing out that material >>on his website was STOLEN, which doesn't give his general business a good >>image? >> Just let us know which pics they are .... >> >>Dolly >> >>Steve Gray wrote: >> >>Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English >>engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid family. >> >>Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things off >>my website for his commercial site. No permission, no correspondence, just >>grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad mouth" >>the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand he's >>grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with Lister >>based equipment. The website in question is >>http://www.oldstylelisters.com >> >> -- >> Jim French >> fbi at insulate.co.uk >> http://www.insulate.co.uk >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Mar 15 03:27:18 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:27:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Eagles are Back References: <001c01c52460$2be649e0$966e8645@carolina.rr.com><010401c52424$4c5b6d90$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa><1110331732.422e515419cdb@webmail.city-net.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20050313215029.00b1f860@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <00c201c52951$f2a88f70$2da7ecdc@morris> G'Day all The we have arrived home safe from the National, covered 3200 km so it should get a Hell On Wheels tag if George has not claimed it as his own. Spent time with Edd Payne today and looked at his great American collection - Curt has started to replace his missing engines having bought a small R&V from Edd 8-)) It is time now for bed before the non engine part of their trip checking out Sydney, a full report later Kerry P.S. Their is no evidence that can be presented about any person being in any hot tub without any shorts. P.S.S Curt is tring to get his camera fixed some how a lot of pictures got deleted - strange ? but seems to be working OK now. > Hi all from the Holland's in Mildura. We are at Russell Gilbert's with > many beers and bottles of wine from the Naracoorte region behind us. We've > all got full bellies as Russell cooked a gourmet meal for us all. That > bloke can cook! The wine has apparently impaired the better judgement of > both Kerry and Russell as at the moment they have dropped their shorts and > hopped in the hot tub together. The rest of us couldn't bear the prospects > of what might be happening in the dark up there in the hot tub and > retreated to the viranda. They keep hollaring some shit about "true > Ozzies", whatever that implies. Their wives are drowning their sorrow at > the moment. > Gotta tell you I shit when I read about the unbelievable deals to be had > at the 8 day sale at some engine collector's in NC. THEN I read a little > closer only to find out that was my shit being sold off. Yeah thank heaps > Larry Sain and Oyster brothers. I owe you blokes big. Seeing as I have > nothing left in the engine sheds at home I might as well buy some engines > to send home. doG these blokes have some fine engines! There are > Crossley's, Tangey's, Hornsby's, Blackstone's as common as Maytag's here. > The big surprise at the National was the number of Hercules model S horse > and a halfs. Jotted down all the s/n's for you Glenn. > Thanks to wonderful host and tour guides Kerry and Ruth we have seen some > unbelievable private collections. The girder frame Hornsby Ackroyds are by > far the most stunning of engines. > Well it is time to wrap this email up as I have emptied this beer and it > is time for another. It's 10:30 pm on a Sunday night and we've been in the > sauce since early afternoon. It was over a 100?F today and the beer did go > down good! > Good night all. > Curt & Missy -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005 From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Mar 15 03:32:53 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:32:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Eagles are Back References: <001c01c52460$2be649e0$966e8645@carolina.rr.com><010401c52424$4c5b6d90$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa><1110331732.422e515419cdb@webmail.city-net.com><5.2.0.9.2.20050313215029.00b1f860@mail.ncable.com.au> <00c201c52951$f2a88f70$2da7ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <004501c52954$72646160$0301a8c0@Reg> Glad you enjoyed the trip. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Eagles are Back > G'Day all > The we have arrived home safe from the National, covered 3200 km so it > should get a Hell On Wheels tag if George has not claimed it as his own. > Spent time with Edd Payne today and looked at his great American > collection - Curt has started to replace his missing engines having bought a > small R&V from Edd 8-)) > > It is time now for bed before the non engine part of their trip checking out > Sydney, a full report later > > Kerry > > P.S. Their is no evidence that can be presented about any person being in > any hot tub without any shorts. > P.S.S Curt is tring to get his camera fixed some how a lot of pictures got > deleted - strange ? but seems to be working OK now. > > > > > > Hi all from the Holland's in Mildura. We are at Russell Gilbert's with > > many beers and bottles of wine from the Naracoorte region behind us. We've > > all got full bellies as Russell cooked a gourmet meal for us all. That > > bloke can cook! The wine has apparently impaired the better judgement of > > both Kerry and Russell as at the moment they have dropped their shorts and > > hopped in the hot tub together. The rest of us couldn't bear the prospects > > of what might be happening in the dark up there in the hot tub and > > retreated to the viranda. They keep hollaring some shit about "true > > Ozzies", whatever that implies. Their wives are drowning their sorrow at > > the moment. > > Gotta tell you I shit when I read about the unbelievable deals to be had > > at the 8 day sale at some engine collector's in NC. THEN I read a little > > closer only to find out that was my shit being sold off. Yeah thank heaps > > Larry Sain and Oyster brothers. I owe you blokes big. Seeing as I have > > nothing left in the engine sheds at home I might as well buy some engines > > to send home. doG these blokes have some fine engines! There are > > Crossley's, Tangey's, Hornsby's, Blackstone's as common as Maytag's here. > > The big surprise at the National was the number of Hercules model S horse > > and a halfs. Jotted down all the s/n's for you Glenn. > > Thanks to wonderful host and tour guides Kerry and Ruth we have seen some > > unbelievable private collections. The girder frame Hornsby Ackroyds are by > > far the most stunning of engines. > > Well it is time to wrap this email up as I have emptied this beer and it > > is time for another. It's 10:30 pm on a Sunday night and we've been in the > > sauce since early afternoon. It was over a 100?F today and the beer did go > > down good! > > Good night all. > > Curt & Missy > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Mar 15 04:04:22 2005 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:04:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Eagles have left Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050315222517.02663898@mail.ncable.com.au> G'day all, well I have had a day or two to recover from the big Sunday BBQ. I'm sure we all had a great time although the foreigners reckoned it was a little to warm for them. Around Sunday lunch time I picked up Kerry, Ruth, Curt & Missy and went for a nice cruise in my 68 Pontiac out to Wentworth for a look at a few engines and an old paddle steamer. I broke the ice with Curt and Missy by telling them you guys have had a yard sale on their behalf and managed to get $500 for the Abernaque. I thought Curt's jaw was gonna hit the ground for a second, :-) Just had to be there. Most interest seemed to be in the 22.5hp Petter our club has. Also in the big Ronnies (Ronaldson & Tippet) I think Curt would dearly love to take an Austral home with him. We got home around 5pm and thought it the perfect time to have a coldie! Started my monitor first before the Hornsby and Blackstone. Had all the girls in the shed with us with Missy doing her best to educate Carmel that is was cool for women to own engines too. I've already suggested that I would be more than happy to buy her 1 or 3. Not only that, Missy has also convinced Carmel that we should come to Portland as they don't just have engines but beer tasting and shopping days as well. Look out you guy's, we are come'n! Well a few more beers and a few more engine fumes and we decided it was getting to hot in the shed so off for a dip in the pool. Well a perfect night was upon us, Ruth picked the music, (Meat Loaf) Kerry grabbed a few more beers and Missy getting excited about the fact we were going to cook dinner. Well I cooked a BBQ. (with real food for those ozzies who think I only eat tin food) Cooked it in the dark with the help of Missy who said I should learn to do it by touch! mmmmmmmm Well I must have touched it well as it was alright. Whilst Curt looked on I thought it necessary to give Missy a few lessons on Ozzie grammar, She'll turn out a real bonza chick if she can keep it up. A couple of bottles of red and a bit of a sing song saw us all enjoying the night. Thought it a good time to knock up some pancakes and ice cream before some story telling etc. Next minute it was bloody late and time to call it a big fun day! Great fun this hobby, it's so much more than just playing with engines. All the people you meet along the way are a big part off what it's all about. Hope we left a good impression, I'm still giggling. By the way, what happened to the 2 burnt pancakes! Couldn't find them in the morning. PS: I'm glad I don't live to close to Kerry, he always leads me astray! Twice in two weeks! PSS: Curt and Kerry need to loose the Pommy cars they have and get some real muscle! Russell & Carmel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Mar 15 04:15:07 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:15:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off Message-ID: <031520051215.15102.4236D1CB0007E28500003AFE21979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Dave and rest of list, Don't know what you folks are talking about when it comes to stolen website,etc. Not me, hell I can barely figure out how to send pics and documents let alone build a website. I am just the simple fun loving engine collector/restorer many of you have met at Baraboo and Portland. Don't know about this Willem Andree person and his family and have NO relationships to them. Curt Andree McConnell, Ill. > andree--why the hell does that name seem so familiar? > Dave > > At 04:35 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote: > >http://www.andree-international.com/ > > > >Is the main site for these bozos. Looks like another stolen picture on > >the first page. I looked around and there are other pictures stolen from > >other sites as well. I guess they figure it is fine to steal. > > > > > >Steve Williams > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:11 PM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off > > > > > > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/images/listgen5.jpg > > > > > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg > > > > > > Hmmm, something stinks here! He's stealing photos and using them as > >"what > > > not to do". > > > > > > And he didn't even modify it! 81310 bytes exactly! > > > > > > So what's wrong with an install with NO idler?? > > > > > > I believe that setup looks fine for what it's intended for, and not > >just > > > saying that because it's a list member either. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > Looks like this is one of them...he didn't change the name of the > >file > > > > either... > > > > > > > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html > > > > > > > > Looks just like one on Steve's site at: > > > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > --- Jim French wrote: > > > > Hi Steve > > > > > > > > Perhaps if he suddenly had a whole lot of folks pointing out that > >material > > > > on his website was STOLEN, which doesn't give his general business a > >good > > > > image? > > > > Just let us know which pics they are .... > > > > > > > > Dolly > > > > > > > > Steve Gray wrote: > > > > > > > > Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English > > > > engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid > >family. > > > > > > > > Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things > >off > > > > my website for his commercial site. No permission, no > >correspondence, just > > > > grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad > >mouth" > > > > the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand > >he's > > > > grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with > >Lister > > > > based equipment. The website in question is > > > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jim French > > > > fbi at insulate.co.uk > > > > http://www.insulate.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SEL mailing list > > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Mar 15 04:36:58 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 04:36:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <42369F5C.9010707@comcast.net> References: 6667 <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42369F5C.9010707@comcast.net> Message-ID: <55269.165.206.180.118.1110890218.squirrel@antique-engines.com> The andree family (no relation to Curt, a better fellow) was chastising our list friend for having a setup with no idler on the belts. I say - it's not needed in his case. Does the alternator on your 1963 Chevy Impala have an idler? Is there an idler on the belts for your air compressor? There are times to and not to install an idler. And times where it's an option. I was just pointing out that in that photo, an idler was not needed for his application, contrary to what the other fellow was stating. There is no idler in the photo, and that fellow was saying there SHOULD be one. Bill > What idler?I'm serious. > > > bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > >>http://www.oldstylelisters.com/images/listgen5.jpg >> >>http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg >> >>Hmmm, something stinks here! He's stealing photos and using them as "what >>not to do". >> >>And he didn't even modify it! 81310 bytes exactly! >> >>So what's wrong with an install with NO idler?? >> >>I believe that setup looks fine for what it's intended for, and not just >>saying that because it's a list member either. >> >>Bill >> >> >> >> >>>Steve >>> >>>Looks like this is one of them...he didn't change the name of the file >>>either... >>> >>>http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html >>> >>>Looks just like one on Steve's site at: >>>http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg >>> >>>Steve >>>--- Jim French wrote: >>>Hi Steve >>> >>>Perhaps if he suddenly had a whole lot of folks pointing out that >>> material >>>on his website was STOLEN, which doesn't give his general business a >>> good >>>image? >>> Just let us know which pics they are .... >>> >>>Dolly >>> >>>Steve Gray wrote: >>> >>>Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English >>>engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid family. >>> >>>Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things off >>>my website for his commercial site. No permission, no correspondence, >>> just >>>grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad mouth" >>>the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand he's >>>grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with Lister >>>based equipment. The website in question is >>>http://www.oldstylelisters.com >>> >>> -- >>> Jim French >>> fbi at insulate.co.uk >>> http://www.insulate.co.uk >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Mar 15 04:38:43 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 04:38:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <031520051215.15102.4236D1CB0007E28500003AFE21979133630A0A9D0B020E090C @mchsi.com> References: <031520051215.15102.4236D1CB0007E28500003AFE21979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <55287.165.206.180.118.1110890323.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Don't worry - we know and have stated we know it's not you. Not only would you not take someone's photos, you are obviously smarter than the "other Andree". Bill > Dave and rest of list, > Don't know what you folks are talking about when it comes to stolen > website,etc. Not me, hell I can barely figure out how to send pics and > documents let alone build a website. I am just the simple fun loving > engine > collector/restorer many of you have met at Baraboo and Portland. Don't > know > about this Willem Andree person and his family and have NO relationships > to > them. > Curt Andree > McConnell, Ill. > > >> andree--why the hell does that name seem so familiar? >> Dave >> >> At 04:35 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote: >> >http://www.andree-international.com/ >> > >> >Is the main site for these bozos. Looks like another stolen picture on >> >the first page. I looked around and there are other pictures stolen >> from >> >other sites as well. I guess they figure it is fine to steal. >> > >> > >> >Steve Williams >> > >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: >> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:11 PM >> >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off >> > >> > >> > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/images/listgen5.jpg >> > > >> > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg >> > > >> > > Hmmm, something stinks here! He's stealing photos and using them as >> >"what >> > > not to do". >> > > >> > > And he didn't even modify it! 81310 bytes exactly! >> > > >> > > So what's wrong with an install with NO idler?? >> > > >> > > I believe that setup looks fine for what it's intended for, and not >> >just >> > > saying that because it's a list member either. >> > > >> > > Bill >> > > >> > > >> > > > Steve >> > > > >> > > > Looks like this is one of them...he didn't change the name of the >> >file >> > > > either... >> > > > >> > > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html >> > > > >> > > > Looks just like one on Steve's site at: >> > > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg >> > > > >> > > > Steve >> > > > --- Jim French wrote: >> > > > Hi Steve >> > > > >> > > > Perhaps if he suddenly had a whole lot of folks pointing out that >> >material >> > > > on his website was STOLEN, which doesn't give his general business >> a >> >good >> > > > image? >> > > > Just let us know which pics they are .... >> > > > >> > > > Dolly >> > > > >> > > > Steve Gray wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the >> English >> > > > engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid >> >family. >> > > > >> > > > Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting >> things >> >off >> > > > my website for his commercial site. No permission, no >> >correspondence, just >> > > > grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad >> >mouth" >> > > > the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand >> >he's >> > > > grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with >> >Lister >> > > > based equipment. The website in question is >> > > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Jim French >> > > > fbi at insulate.co.uk >> > > > http://www.insulate.co.uk >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > SEL mailing list >> > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > SEL mailing list >> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >SEL mailing list >> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Mar 15 04:40:02 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 04:40:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <42367242.4010400@earthlink.net> References: <200503150040.j2F0eeVP026285@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <42367242.4010400@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <55296.165.206.180.118.1110890402.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Jeff - see Paul P's message - seems they have a family site with a guestbook........... Enjoy! :-) Bill > Just sent these assholes an e-mail. Maybe I'll get a response and a real > contact e-mail that can be used to do some damage. They have pretty well > covered their ass to avoid what we would like to do. Great big pictures > that we could share with them in a well timed manner. Sure hope they > reply to Ben Dover. If so we can plan an attack. Not exactly a DOS but > damn close. Still thinking of other ways to **** these folks. It just > ain't right what they did. > > Jeff > > Bill Dickerson wrote: > >>Problem with that is that in Rob's case, the person was linking to pics >> on >>Rob's site - this case, they have actually "taken" a copy of the file and >>put it on their site. >>Rob could change the pic and his web site to display something not so >> nice >>when someone attempted to link from a different domain. >>In Rob's case, they stole bandwidth, not just the pic. >> >>Otherwise, I'd be thrilled to help........... Rob's solution was >> BRILLIANT! >> >>Bill >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp >>Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 5:47 PM >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off >> >>Just apply Rob's solution. Rename the picture on your site and change the >>reference on your page to match. Then put a nice porno shot of a >> 500-pounder >>on your server with the same filename as the original image. Bet he'll >> see >>the error of his ways. >> >>John Culp >>Bristol, Tennessee, USA >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From segray at mlode.com Mon Mar 14 23:03:00 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:03:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <4235D156.106C12EC@insulate.co.uk> References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> <4235D156.106C12EC@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <423688A4.2030903@mlode.com> Hi Dolly - I would think that would be a great idea. Apparently he's had this bad habit for quite a while, from what I'm told. Blowing his business out of the water just *might* get the point across. Luke has pin-pointed the "infraction" that deals with my site. No telling who the other files belong to. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Jim French wrote: >Hi Steve > >Perhaps if he suddenly had a whole lot of folks pointing out that material >on his website was STOLEN, which doesn't give his general business a good >image? >Just let us know which pics they are .... > >Dolly > >Steve Gray wrote: > > > >> Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English >>engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid family. >>Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things off >>my website for his commercial site. No permission, no correspondence, >>just grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad >>mouth" the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand >>he's grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with >>Lister based equipment. The website in question is >>http://www.oldstylelisters.com >> >> >> > >-- >Jim French >fbi at insulate.co.uk >http://www.insulate.co.uk > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From segray at mlode.com Mon Mar 14 23:03:07 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:03:07 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: 6667 <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <423688AB.3050008@mlode.com> Hi Bill - Personally, I have found nothing wrong (no slipping) with the setup as is. I would rather have the wood frame under it, too, versus his insistance to use steel rails and have to added rubber mounts. Most of the early iron was on wood! The guy sure didn't try very hard to hide his tracks! - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >http://www.oldstylelisters.com/images/listgen5.jpg > >http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/listgen5.jpg > >Hmmm, something stinks here! He's stealing photos and using them as "what >not to do". > >And he didn't even modify it! 81310 bytes exactly! > >So what's wrong with an install with NO idler?? > >I believe that setup looks fine for what it's intended for, and not just >saying that because it's a list member either. > >Bill > > > > From segray at mlode.com Mon Mar 14 23:03:16 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:03:16 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <007601c528dd$b521c5a0$121117d1@net.telenet.net> References: 6667 <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <007601c528dd$b521c5a0$121117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <423688B4.4040402@mlode.com> Looks like they've had a field day with my site! -Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Steve W. wrote: >http://www.andree-international.com/ > >Is the main site for these bozos. Looks like another stolen picture on >the first page. I looked around and there are other pictures stolen from >other sites as well. I guess they figure it is fine to steal. > > >Steve Williams > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:11 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off > > > > From segray at mlode.com Mon Mar 14 23:13:43 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:13:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <42367242.4010400@earthlink.net> References: <200503150040.j2F0eeVP026285@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <42367242.4010400@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42368B27.1070604@mlode.com> Wouldn't have been *quite* so bad, but after being "used" (along with all of Paul's hard work getting ripped, too) by that 'sissor bill' in the U.K. to produce "his" engine manuals for Ebay a while back, this didn't set too well with me. Especially as it's been pointed out, they didn't even bother to change the file names! The real thorn was their added comments! Just another reason I sometimes wonder why I even bother... Hope you DO get an answer, Jeff! - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Jeff Allen wrote: > Just sent these assholes an e-mail. Maybe I'll get a response and a > real contact e-mail that can be used to do some damage. They have > pretty well covered their ass to avoid what we would like to do. Great > big pictures that we could share with them in a well timed manner. > Sure hope they reply to Ben Dover. If so we can plan an attack. Not > exactly a DOS but damn close. Still thinking of other ways to **** > these folks. It just ain't right what they did. > > Jeff > From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Mar 15 05:05:05 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:05:05 EST Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off - wanna know who they really are? Message-ID: <6b.41186ab4.2f683781@aol.com> In a message dated 3/15/2005 3:53:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, pjp at steamengine.com.au writes: << This one has a guestbook... I think you all know what to do with it! >> I will a little guidance. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Mar 15 05:16:49 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:16:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Finished truck. References: <001f01c528f1$eff9c4c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Nice job as usual, John!! Is the price of steel as bizarre as it is here? An 8"x10" x 3/8's cost me close to 10 rockets...course the only supplier here has a monopoly. "Looking forward to seeing the M and compressor all mounted up" RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "Stat.eng.org" ; "SEL" Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: [SEL] Finished truck. > Hi All, > > Finished my new made engine truck today and to me it looks good. > It can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/finishedtruck.jpg > > When you like to see the whole cyclus how I did it, take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/truckmakingpage.htm > > Here will you see and read the idea I had in mind to constructing it. > My wife is happy by now, she has the man in the house again :o)) > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 15 05:20:35 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:20:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off References: <031520051215.15102.4236D1CB0007E28500003AFE21979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <006601c52961$c604d860$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Dave and rest of list, > Don't know what you folks are talking about when it comes to stolen > website,etc. Not me, hell I can barely figure out how to send pics and > documents let alone build a website. >>> Obviously not ! It was just teach givin us another pop quiz . Digging around in the links and it looks like that cat has been doing some pre tsunami missionary/ rescue work . But he's just trying to make a livin , the goofy gotta eat too Chuck http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Mar 15 07:09:40 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:09:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP In-Reply-To: <014001c52932$613e3ea0$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <14922289.1110855313089.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <010301c52919$170bd5e0$0301a8c0@Reg> <4236772D.6050401@fidnet.com> <014001c52932$613e3ea0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315100841.026dbe00@mail.alltel.net> The same as what (sometimes) up top is called a pipe clamp. Dave At 02:39 AM 3/15/2005, you wrote: >Its a long adjustable clamp used for making window frames. >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gary Epps" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:48 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > > > OK, Reg, just what is a "sash cramp"? :) Several images come to mind, > > but I will wait for you to enlighten me if you will. > > > > Gary > > > > Reg Ingold wrote: > > > Ive answered this with pics off list. > > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Jirik" > > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:55 PM > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > > > > > > > > > > >>Reg, > > >> > > >>I appreciate your help, but I need it spelled out a little better for >me! > > > > > > I'm just a stupid salesman so forgive my slow uptake. You made the > > > following statement in your earlier response: > > > > > >>"An awful lot can be achieved with a sash cramp and a few wood wedges." > > >> > > >> > > >>I don't know what a sash cramp is!! Maybe you can spell it out a little > > > > > > better for me- I would appreciate it > > > > > >>Thanks, > > >>Jim Jirik > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > -- > > In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move > > at a leisurely pace. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Mar 15 07:24:57 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:24:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP In-Reply-To: <014001c52932$613e3ea0$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <14922289.1110855313089.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net><010301c52919$170bd5e0$0301a8c0@Reg> <4236772D.6050401@fidnet.com> <014001c52932$613e3ea0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <4236FE49.6040608@fidnet.com> Thankyou, now it's clear. Gary Reg Ingold wrote: > Its a long adjustable clamp used for making window frames. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Epps" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > > >>OK, Reg, just what is a "sash cramp"? :) Several images come to mind, >>but I will wait for you to enlighten me if you will. >> >>Gary >> >>Reg Ingold wrote: >> >>>Ive answered this with pics off list. >>>Reg & Marg Ingold. >>>Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>>randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Jim Jirik" >>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:55 PM >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Reg, >>>> >>>>I appreciate your help, but I need it spelled out a little better for > > me! > >>>I'm just a stupid salesman so forgive my slow uptake. You made the >>>following statement in your earlier response: >>> >>> >>>>"An awful lot can be achieved with a sash cramp and a few wood wedges." >>>> >>>> >>>>I don't know what a sash cramp is!! Maybe you can spell it out a little >>> >>>better for me- I would appreciate it >>> >>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>Jim Jirik >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >>-- >>In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move >>at a leisurely pace. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Mar 15 07:54:04 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:54:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Pictures Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315104958.026e3770@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, The pictures that I took at the Zolfo show are now up on my HP. I've tried to capture the many various aspects of the show. I did not, however, take any pictures of the ~3a. of flea market. The Zolfo pictures can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2005/index.html Dave PS, Last years show (and others) can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html From jhcullom at adelphia.net Tue Mar 15 08:11:35 2005 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:11:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Pictures References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315104958.026e3770@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <00b101c52979$a970f0e0$6401a8c0@office> Hey, thanks for pics, Dave! Was this one the lawyer approved display? http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2005/MVC-575X.JPG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" > The pictures that I took at the Zolfo show are now up on my HP. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Mar 15 09:26:43 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:26:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Pictures References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315104958.026e3770@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the time and effort Dave!! Luv'd the pencil sharpener. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:54 AM Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Pictures > Hi All, > The pictures that I took at the Zolfo show are now up on my HP. I've tried > to capture the many various aspects of the show. I did not, however, take > any pictures of the ~3a. of flea market. The Zolfo pictures can be seen > at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2005/index.html > Dave > PS, Last years show (and others) can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 15 09:36:58 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:36:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Pictures In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315104958.026e3770@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200503151737.j2FHb2s6041810@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > The pictures that I took at the Zolfo show are now up > on my HP. I've tried > to capture the many various aspects of the show. I did not, > however, take > any pictures of the ~3a. of flea market. The Zolfo pictures > can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2005/index.html > Dave Hiya Dave, Thanks for sending the pictures. What's the big green engine that Lou Quirch showing? =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 15 09:49:46 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:49:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, I just went to their "Feedback" page at http://www.oldstylelisters.com/feedback.html and told them what I think of their practice of ripping folks off. I'd strongly encourage everyone on the list to do the same. BTW, that really is a gorgeous Lister you've done!! I'll give the scum this, they stole the prettiest engine out there. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 14 Mar 2005, Steve Gray wrote: > Just to let y'all know, the rip-offs continue. It seems the English > engines are the favorite topic, especially the Lister/Listeroid family. > Was just made aware of some clown in Washington state lifting things off > my website for his commercial site. No permission, no correspondence, > just grab an' go. I was also told of how the guy then proceeds to "bad > mouth" the way I had built things in the picture he ripped! I understand > he's grabbed from several sites, so be aware, particularly those with > Lister based equipment. The website in question is > http://www.oldstylelisters.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Mar 15 08:29:27 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:29:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <009401c528e7$0df8e920$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: Here is a better picture of Curt: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-23.jpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ====================== >From: >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off >Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:42:07 -0600 > > > > > > andree--why the hell does that name seem so familiar? > > Dave > > > > >Stolen from Luke's piles of pics > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port00/port00dave_economy.jpg > >Curt Andree is the bearded chap behind the Galloway , and to your right , >cold drink , contented look. >Not the concerned look , thats Keith . > >Chuck ? From christison at coastalnet.com Tue Mar 15 10:08:18 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:08:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off Message-ID: <410-22005321518818281@coastalnet.com> I just noticed that they credit the photos to http://www.poweranand.com/ Was this site listed yesterday? I sure didn't notice it if it was. Do you suppose these were all originally ripped by the company that provides these engines? Take care. Ken From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 15 10:23:29 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:23:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] EXPLODED VIEW Message-ID: <008501c5298c$17347040$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> OK thats a start , only the names have been changed to protect the guilty http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm See ' failure ' on navigation bar . Got anything to add let me know . Chuck ? From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Mar 15 12:18:08 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:18:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Caught Up Message-ID: <42374300.AF2B200C@insulate.co.uk> Hi All I've caught up with Arnie, so I'm free to hurl insults at him again for his lax behaviour. Please feel free to join in! Astle Park 1000 Engine Rally 2002 is now on the web! http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/yank3.htm Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Mar 15 12:59:17 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:59:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <410-22005321518818281@coastalnet.com> References: <410-22005321518818281@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <59940.165.206.180.118.1110920357.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Considering they are in India, yeah. > I just noticed that they credit the photos to http://www.poweranand.com/ > Was this site listed yesterday? I sure didn't notice it if it was. Do > you > suppose these were all originally ripped by the company that provides > these engines? > > Take care. > > Ken > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Mar 15 13:30:55 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:30:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Finished truck. References: <001f01c528f1$eff9c4c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <001701c529a6$4564a1a0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Rick, it's also expensive here the adverage price is $4 per kilo new steel. I have several sources in my area and mostly I pay around $3. For non fero I go to a large scrap trader and find nice pieces for turning etc. For example I have at least 10 different dias stainless steel in 3 foot lenghts and I pay only the scrap price for it. Bronze and brass I pickup at a bronze foundry, tons of pieces that come from factories and it cost you scrap price, but all in all it cost money. Mounted the M at the truck today, looks really good. John H. > Nice job as usual, John!! Is the price of steel as bizarre as it is here? > An 8"x10" x 3/8's cost me close to 10 rockets...course the only supplier > here has a monopoly. > > "Looking forward to seeing the M and compressor all mounted up" > > RickinMt. From christison at coastalnet.com Tue Mar 15 13:37:02 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:37:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off Message-ID: <410-22005321521372671@coastalnet.com> Actually what I was getting at was they are trying to pass the buck. Ken > [Original Message] > From: > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 3/15/2005 4:24:34 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off > > Considering they are in India, yeah. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Mar 15 13:42:04 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:42:04 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Finished truck. References: <001f01c528f1$eff9c4c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <003301c529a7$d40bd670$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Thanks guys on and off list for the nice words and interest re the finished truck, it's very much appreciated. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Tue Mar 15 13:42:08 2005 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:42:08 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Finished truck. In-Reply-To: <001f01c528f1$eff9c4c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Hi John, You have done a great job. It is a credit to you and I reckon the 3 HP "M" will look real nice sitting on there. Please post photos when she is all together. Regards, Lyndsay in OZ. >From: "John Hammink" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stat.eng.org" , "SEL" > >Subject: [SEL] Finished truck. >Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:00:01 +0100 > >Hi All, > >Finished my new made engine truck today and to me it looks good. >It can be seen at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/finishedtruck.jpg > >When you like to see the whole cyclus how I did it, take a look at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/truckmakingpage.htm > >Here will you see and read the idea I had in mind to constructing it. >My wife is happy by now, she has the man in the house again :o)) > >John Hammink >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl >www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Mar 15 13:49:23 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:49:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Pictures In-Reply-To: <00b101c52979$a970f0e0$6401a8c0@office> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315104958.026e3770@mail.alltel.net> <00b101c52979$a970f0e0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315164805.0220bff8@mail.alltel.net> At 11:11 AM 3/15/2005, you wrote: >Hey, thanks for pics, Dave! Was this one the lawyer approved display? >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2005/MVC-575X.JPG It's my understanding that the guy who owned the display was from Down Under! I think that Reg knows his name! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Mar 15 13:51:11 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:51:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Pictures In-Reply-To: <200503151737.j2FHb2s6041810@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315104958.026e3770@mail.alltel.net> <200503151737.j2FHb2s6041810@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315165018.021e82a0@mail.alltel.net> At 12:36 PM 3/15/2005, you wrote: > > The pictures that I took at the Zolfo show are now up > > on my HP. I've tried > > to capture the many various aspects of the show. I did not, > > however, take > > any pictures of the ~3a. of flea market. The Zolfo pictures > > can be seen at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2005/index.html > > Dave > > >Hiya Dave, >Thanks for sending the pictures. What's the big green engine that Lou Quirch >showing? Hi Rob, I think it's a Jones. VERY nice running engine--complete w/pencil sharpener! Dave From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Mar 15 14:14:06 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:14:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off References: 6667 <20050314193248.27261.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com><44698.165.206.180.118.1110831094.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <423688AB.3050008@mlode.com> Message-ID: <01f801c529ac$b264ee80$0301a8c0@Reg> Here is what I sent them. "I must point out to you that taking and using material from orher websites without permission is NOT the right thing to do. As such, I will never have anything to do with your company. A LOT of other people feel the same as me on this.. Reg & Marg Ingold. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Mar 15 14:20:57 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:20:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Pictures References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315104958.026e3770@mail.alltel.net><00b101c52979$a970f0e0$6401a8c0@office> <6.1.2.0.0.20050315164805.0220bff8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002a01c529b0$4a3509e0$0301a8c0@Reg> Sadly, that fence was nowhere near strong enough for our lot!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Zolfo Pictures > At 11:11 AM 3/15/2005, you wrote: > >Hey, thanks for pics, Dave! Was this one the lawyer approved display? > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2005/MVC-575X.JPG > > It's my understanding that the guy who owned the display was from Down > Under! I think that Reg knows his name! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Mar 15 15:30:31 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:30:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Pictures References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315104958.026e3770@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <008901c529b6$faca5d40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Great pics Dave in that sunny land, looks good all those M's on display. Thanks for sharing, John H. > Hi All, > The pictures that I took at the Zolfo show are now up on my HP. I've tried > to capture the many various aspects of the show. I did not, however, take > any pictures of the ~3a. of flea market. The Zolfo pictures can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2005/index.html > Dave > PS, Last years show (and others) can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Mar 15 08:19:54 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:19:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP In-Reply-To: <410-220053114222349724@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Jim, In the middle of this web page it shows how I straightened a bent crankshaft. Yours will be harder as it's bigger but it will give you some ideas hopefully. A dial indicator would be needed to straighten out your crank if it is bent. A cheap dial indicator and magnetic base can be bought off Ebay. I picked one up off there and have been satisfied with the results. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/marine/marine.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============================ >From: "Jim Jirik" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP >Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:23:49 -0600 > >I'm new to this so maybe you can help me further. I thought it was bent, >but also thought it would be pretty hard to bend a shaft that big. It >wobbles enough that the engine doesn't sit still when it's running. How >does one go about straightening the shaft?????? > >Jim From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Mar 15 16:59:57 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:59:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4237850D.2080608@earthlink.net> Hi all, Think we did some good. Check the link now. http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html Jeff Allen PS. Scanned their ports tonight. Average hacker won't get in. Sigh! Luke Tonneberger wrote: > I'm guessing this is the page as it looks very framiliar. > > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ==================== > >> From: Jim French >> >> Just let us know which pics they are .... >> >> Dolly >> >> -- >> Jim French >> fbi at insulate.co.uk >> http://www.insulate.co.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From segray at mlode.com Tue Mar 15 12:51:25 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:51:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> Message-ID: <42374ACD.5010100@mlode.com> Hi Arnie - You silver tongued devil, you! ;-) I just received this from the culprits: ************* Dear Steve, Our Company received this feedback form our website this morning in regards to some pictures that are displayed on the website. We had no idea that our customers sent us pictures from your website and we truly apologize for this misunderstanding. We have visited your website today and would like your permission to display these photo?s and add a link to your website as well. We also offer Free web hosting for people such as yourself to help keep these beautiful old engines alive. Please let us know as to your feelings on the matter, Thank you, The Old Style Listers Team (original message from fero_ah at city-net.com hidden) ************* Now all of a sudden it's somebody else's doing; that they weren't the ones grabbing other's files?? Hmmmmmm.... Seems to me they should have checked first BEFORE posting. OK, so what's the general feeling? Should they be allowed to continue, WITH credits, or rough it without the files? After their earlier comments, I'm not a happy camper. I intend to respond to the email above and let them know where I'm coming from on the matter. I think basically, their response to that will decide what happens. Thanks, Arnie, for stirrin' 'em up (and the kind comments)! :-) - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Steve, > >I just went to their "Feedback" page at >http://www.oldstylelisters.com/feedback.html >and told them what I think of their practice of ripping folks off. > >I'd strongly encourage everyone on the list to do the same. > >BTW, that really is a gorgeous Lister you've done!! I'll give the >scum this, they stole the prettiest engine out there. 8-)) > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 15 17:28:17 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:28:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050316012817.74739.qmail@web31304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jim, I would figure it is just a bearing problem. The FBM ZC 52 that I traded off had one bad bearing. It was the side that had the heavy clutch pulley and had spent years belted up to an oil well in Texas. That one flywheel whould hop around and wobble so much that the whole engine would take off at a good fast walking speed across the yard. Jumping and bucking like that it was a real challenge to shut it down without it landing on my feet. I was going to fix it, but then I figured that if I went to all that trouble I still would have a boring, enclosed crank, throttle governed engine that I didn't like. When I found a guy that wanted it in trade for a nice, hot, Webster mag and bracket for my 1918, 1-1/2HP, H&M Hercules E I was glad to trade it off. Download a catalog from HitnMiss, Find the item number for your bearing and see if that fixes things. IMHO it should. 1/16 inch is a wobble. That is just a flinch. You would have got really excited if you were as close as I was to my raging beast. After I got it shut down I grabbed that clutch pulley and I could lift it at least a half inch because of the slop. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- Jim Jirik wrote: > I took a tape to the flywheels and measured between them in different positions. At most places > it measured 17-1/4", but there was a place that it was 1/16th more. Is that enough to assume a > bent shaft? And to let you know, it is only the one flywheel that wobbles. The other seems to > run true. > > Jim Jirik > > -----Original Message----- > From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net > Sent: Mar 14, 2005 4:56 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP > > > . > > If you doubt the ability of the wheel to take the stress, dont do it. > > The shafts are mostly mild steel and, if it bent cold, it will come back > > cold too. If you apply heat, it will bend in a new spot. It changes things > > so much, that without a huge press, you will go nowhere . > > > > Yes ! You get to rap it smartly with a pein ! > > If the mains are worn enough > the con rod could push the crank to and fro , up and down . > the flywheels would appear to wobble , (actually jump around and > ammer )but not just ONE of them > Both wheels will have to flop around before it could be considerd to have > anything to do with bearings . > You want to prove it to yourself ? take a tape measure and measure > between the wheels, roll the motor around > 180 degrees and measure again . the numbers will be different if the crank > is bent . > One of the things I carry a tape at swaps for is to watch for bent cranks . > They throw em off the truck onto the ground > at thats it . Enjoy your new toy . > > > Chuck ? > http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Mar 15 17:28:41 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:28:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <4237850D.2080608@earthlink.net> References: <4237850D.2080608@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <28d5a1f2763f85ce63d4a56f4700b926@chartertn.net> > Think we did some good. Check the link now. > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html I like that muffler shown on that one. I've done some looking for one like that with 1 1/2" NPT threads, but haven't found one. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 15 18:29:31 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:29:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Frank Eddy's death In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050316022931.50701.qmail@web31309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Judy, Please note that you have our most sincere condolences. I remember well the sudden shock when one of my favorite uncles seemed in good health then just died one day at work. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- eddy93 wrote: > Hi! This is Frank's wife Judy. I just wanted to let the list know that > Frank died this afternoon at work. We don't know what happened. They are > going to do an autopsy. He so enjoyed talking with all of you. I know he > would want you to know. I will list details of his funeral when I know > more. Judy Eddy > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From eddy93 at iowatelecom.net Tue Mar 15 20:35:25 2005 From: eddy93 at iowatelecom.net (eddy93) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:35:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Frank's funeral Message-ID: <001601c529e1$995d5be0$aa634245@yourpd3mh0abgs> Visitation will be from 1 - 8:00, with the family there at 6-8:00 on Thursday evening. Funeral is at 1:30 with burial at Numa Cemetery. Food to follow at our home - 23565 210th Ave. Centerville, IA 52544. The visitation and funeral will be at Schmidt Family Funeral Home, Centerville, Iowa 52544. You may find his obituary at Schmidt Family Funeral Home.com if you are interested. Thank you all for your prayers and thoughts. Please feel free to email anytime. Judy From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 07:55:14 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:55:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] FM Mdl Z Style C 3HP In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315100841.026dbe00@mail.alltel.net> References: <14922289.1110855313089.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <010301c52919$170bd5e0$0301a8c0@Reg> <4236772D.6050401@fidnet.com> <014001c52932$613e3ea0$0301a8c0@Reg> <6.1.2.0.0.20050315100841.026dbe00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f602516050315075564f61f3@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:09:40 -0500, Dave Rotigel wrote: > The same as what (sometimes) up top is called a pipe clamp. > Dave A sash cramp per se is a long steel bar (1.25" X 1/4") with drilled holes in at regular intervals, say 2", and two moveable jaws, usually with threaded jaw grip/tightening screws on one jaw, the other is not adjustable, fitted with pins and holes, so you can adjust the length coarsely with the pins in the long steel backbone part and then tighten up finely with the screw jaw grips Have a look at a decent quality version (Record Tools) on: http://www.tool-net.co.uk/data/index.php?ToolID=319818 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From segray at mlode.com Tue Mar 15 21:48:40 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:48:40 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <4237850D.2080608@earthlink.net> References: <4237850D.2080608@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4237C8B8.1050100@mlode.com> Hi Jeff and All - I know of at least 3 messages sent to these people and I get the impression now that they think they stirred up a hornet's net. Good in my view! They replied to me this afternoon and have pulled everything of mine down (I haven't checked yet) and apologized all over the place. I simply told them to check their sources more thoroughly before posting. Since this seems to be the end of this saga, I want to say thanks to all for the comments, concern and effort put out by this family of ours. Thank you folks!!! The SEL shows it's true colors again!! :-) - Best regards, Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > Think we did some good. Check the link now. > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html > > Jeff Allen > > PS. Scanned their ports tonight. Average hacker won't get in. Sigh! > > Luke Tonneberger wrote: > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 04:19:05 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:19:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT: New toy collection (milling machine) Message-ID: <6f6025160503160419448055e8@mail.gmail.com> After a few weeks waiting for the weather to dry up and improve, we went to Coventry yesterday and collected the Beaver Turret Mill and brought it home. It turns out to be 40Int taper rather than 30Int but we already have some of that size tooling for the other machines. A few reduced size pictures are up at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/ward/beaver1.jpg through to http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/ward/beaver5.jpg Full resolution versions for those on DSL (3.5mb each ) are at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/ward/DSC05688.jpg through to http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/ward/DSC05692.jpg Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Mar 16 06:52:22 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:52:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Zolfo Pictures In-Reply-To: <200503161100.j2GB08Bt016270@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: > 17. Zolfo Pictures (Dave Rotigel) >Message: 17 >Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:54:04 -0500 >From: Dave Rotigel >Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Pictures >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050315104958.026e3770 at mail.alltel.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >Hi All, > The pictures that I took at the Zolfo show are now up on my HP. I've tried >to capture the many various aspects of the show. I did not, however, take >any pictures of the ~3a. of flea market. The Zolfo pictures can be seen at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2005/index.html > Dave >PS, Last years show (and others) can be seen at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/shows.html Thanks for the cool pictures. Is that gray colored apparatus that looks like a Pump-jack a gas engine of some kind? I've never seen anything like it. I never thought anything about the pump-jack with the fence until someone made a comment about it. We have oil wells in S. Indiana and they often have little fences around them unless they are out in the woods. I guess the fence keeps livestcok & people away. I never thought about lawyer shielding when I first looked at the pic From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 16 06:59:32 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:59:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <42374ACD.5010100@mlode.com> References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> <42374ACD.5010100@mlode.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, > You silver tongued devil, you! ;-) I just received this from the culprits: heh-heh-heh. I have been referred to as a cunning linguist a time or two. 8-)) My feeling would be the same as Dolly's. If someone asked if they could use my engine pics on their page with attribution, I'd say "Fine, have at it." These folks do sell Caste Iron Currey Listers which are, in some cases, an "entry engine" into the hobby. So, on the one hand, the pics of your beautiful restorations may help them sell engines. On the other hand, those same pics, and the others on your website, and the links to other websites with engines may lead someone deep into our hobby when they didn't know that it even existed. I think these guys responded appropriately and quickly to the negative feedback they received. They took down the pics, they contacted you and apologized, and they've asked your permission to use your pics with attribution. I'd call that a win all around. The only other thing they could do would be to offer one of their Caste Iron Currey Listers as a donation to the SEL Charity Auction. Maybe set it up as a running exhibit at Portland. Couldn't hurt to mention it. They would probably sell quite a few as a result. 8-)) And they probably don't even know that Portland exists. My vote is to contact them and give permission to use your pics with attribution and a link to your website. I think they should also put in a link to Peter Forbes' Lister diesel info. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com > Now all of a sudden it's somebody else's doing; that they weren't the > ones grabbing other's files?? Hmmmmmm.... Seems to me they should have > checked first BEFORE posting. > OK, so what's the general feeling? Should they be allowed to > continue, WITH credits, or rough it without the files? After their > earlier comments, I'm not a happy camper. I intend to respond to the > email above and let them know where I'm coming from on the matter. I > think basically, their response to that will decide what happens. > Thanks, Arnie, for stirrin' 'em up (and the kind comments)! :-) > -- > Steve Gray From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Mar 16 06:59:57 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:59:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Cast Iron repair Message-ID: Thanks for the tips on cast iron repair. I knew that I was asking the right folks. There were some really creative ways to disguise the repair for a casting which will not be painted. For my situation some ideas are more helpful than others. I'm working with a 100 year old casting and it is quite rough. The pits are pretty deep and my needle scaler wouldn't begin to make those kind of dents. The scaler did do a good job on the brass repaired area though. I had to make sure to only make light passes over the brass and to heavier work over the cast. I will apply a coat of paint over what I have done so far and evaluate the results. I really like the idea of using epoxy (JB Weld) to create a textured surface. I'll let you know how things work out. From George_Best at adp.com Wed Mar 16 08:03:43 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:03:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF12A335@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> I've been following this thread and must say that Steve's genset photo was way better than the replacement picture they used. It's easy to see why they used Steve's photo. Was interesting that they didn't comment on their customer not using a belt tensioner (or at least one isn't visible in the photo). It's Steve's choice, but it sounds like they are willing to make things right. WAIT George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Jeff Allen > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 5:00 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off > > Hi all, > > Think we did some good. Check the link now. > http://www.oldstylelisters.com/lister-generator.html > > Jeff Allen From segray at mlode.com Wed Mar 16 08:31:48 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:31:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> <42374ACD.5010100@mlode.com> Message-ID: <42385F74.6080602@mlode.com> Hi Arnie - My thoughts exactly. As it turns out, though I did (cautiously) give them the go-ahead to use my stuff, they decided it better to pull everything down and to start over with a clean slate. After their reply to my original response, they have since emailed me again after obviously poring over my website. I kind of get the impression it surprised them. What is interesting is what I hear from my "informant" buddy who also owns an engine business, that these Andree people have never owned or even started a Lister/Listeroid. They allegedly have a very strong habit of "expanding" the truth about individual sales, in some cases those not even being brokered by their own firm. As a final note, both he and the wife have been permanently booted from Ebay for their past dealings. Sounds like a real Jeckle and Hyde syndrome to me. I think it's probably better to hold off putting any links to their site on my links page. ;-) TTYL -Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Steve, > > > >>You silver tongued devil, you! ;-) I just received this from the culprits: >> >> > >heh-heh-heh. I have been referred to as a cunning linguist a time or two. >8-)) > >My feeling would be the same as Dolly's. If someone asked if they could >use my engine pics on their page with attribution, I'd say "Fine, have at >it." These folks do sell Caste Iron Currey Listers which are, in some >cases, an "entry engine" into the hobby. So, on the one hand, the >pics of your beautiful restorations may help them sell engines. On the >other hand, those same pics, and the others on your website, and the links >to other websites with engines may lead someone deep into our hobby when >they didn't know that it even existed. > >I think these guys responded appropriately and quickly to the negative >feedback they received. They took down the pics, they contacted you and >apologized, and they've asked your permission to use your pics with >attribution. I'd call that a win all around. The only other thing they >could do would be to offer one of their Caste Iron Currey Listers as a >donation to the SEL Charity Auction. Maybe set it up as a running >exhibit at Portland. Couldn't hurt to mention it. They would >probably sell quite a few as a result. 8-)) And they probably don't even >know that Portland exists. > >My vote is to contact them and give permission to use your pics with >attribution and a link to your website. I think they should also put in a >link to Peter Forbes' Lister diesel info. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > > From nick at holden1.net Mon Mar 14 11:43:28 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:43:28 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Cast iron repair References: Message-ID: <4235E960.000001.03268@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Andy wen i have any cast iron to repair i always weld it using cast rods with gas or arc and always use a ball peen hammer on it wen cooling to relive the stress to stop it cracking then shot blast the part it will then look like the rest with luck !!! nick Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) -------Original Message------- From: Andy Glines Date: 03/14/05 19:20:41 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Cast iron repair The repair I'm doing is actually for my steam engine but it seems like an appropriate subject for the engine list. I have a couple of broken or cracked castings to be repaired. I can braze to do the repair but the repaired area sticks out like a sore thumb next to the original surface which is quite rough and pitted. For the repair I ground a V where the crack was and also the surrounding area to shiny metal, After brazing I ground the brass flush with the base metal. Using a ball peen hammer, punches, & my needle scaler I attempted to recreate the pits in the cast iron. Things went pretty well. I may need to beat on it a little more to camoflage the repair. Has anyone else doen this? How did you do it? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 09:30:34 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:30:34 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <42385F74.6080602@mlode.com> References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> <42374ACD.5010100@mlode.com> <42385F74.6080602@mlode.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605031609304ef575d8@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:31:48 -0800, Steve Gray wrote: > Hi Arnie - > > My thoughts exactly. As it turns out, though I did (cautiously) give > them the go-ahead to use my stuff, they decided it better to pull > everything down and to start over with a clean slate. After their reply > to my original response, they have since emailed me again after > obviously poring over my website. I kind of get the impression it > surprised them. What is interesting is what I hear from my "informant" > buddy who also owns an engine business, that these Andree people have > never owned or even started a Lister/Listeroid. They allegedly have a > very strong habit of "expanding" the truth about individual sales, in > some cases those not even being brokered by their own firm. As a final > note, both he and the wife have been permanently booted from Ebay for > their past dealings. Sounds like a real Jeckle and Hyde syndrome to me. > I think it's probably better to hold off putting any links to their site > on my links page. ;-) > > TTYL > > -Steve Unfortunately there has grown up a largish trade in Indian-built copies of Lister and Petter engines, all or most of which have questionable quality and lineage. This hasn't stopped a large number being sold here as 'biodiesel-ready' when in fact they are anything but. The use of 'Lister' in the adverts on the website quite freely in respect of the engines is also something that should be stopped, as they bear no relation at all to the original engines other than their size and general shape. While I appreciate Arnie's thoughts behind suggesting a link to our website, I would prefer not to in this case as I wouldn't want to lend my name to this operation, which is questionable in every sense of the word. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Wed Mar 16 10:03:05 2005 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:03:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Flyball on EBay Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A703E2BDA9@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Check this out, sports fans. Anyone need a flyball governor? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=750018 3348&rd=1 or http://tinyurl.com/3nsqb Vintage govenor, found in barn, balls, gears, slide mechinism good, all parts move, sold as is. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 16 10:08:02 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:08:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <42385F74.6080602@mlode.com> References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> <42374ACD.5010100@mlode.com> <42385F74.6080602@mlode.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Steve Gray wrote: > What is interesting is what I hear from my "informant" > buddy who also owns an engine business, that these Andree people have > never owned or even started a Lister/Listeroid. Gee, I don't think we should hold THAT against 'em. I think there are experts in the hobby who, for example, have never taken an engine to a show. It doesn't appear to have lessened their contribution. > They allegedly have a > very strong habit of "expanding" the truth about individual sales, in > some cases those not even being brokered by their own firm. So these "sales figures" might be phony? Whoda thunk it!! http://www.oldstylelisters.com/special_announcements.html > As a final > note, both he and the wife have been permanently booted from Ebay for > their past dealings. Fact or hearsay? BTW does anyone know if Mike Montrieth (sp?) is still in the business of importing and selling Caste Iron Currey Listers? He might be a good independent check on the reputation of these "Old Style Lister Engine" folks. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From George_Best at adp.com Wed Mar 16 10:37:54 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:37:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Flyball on EBay Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF12A44C@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Looks like a steam engine governor to me. Nice looking tho..... WAIT George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Bruce Younger > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:03 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Flyball on EBay > > Check this out, sports fans. Anyone need a flyball governor? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&i > tem=750018 > 3348&rd=1 > > or http://tinyurl.com/3nsqb > > Vintage govenor, found in barn, balls, gears, slide mechinism > good, all parts move, sold as is. > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: > > This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the > property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential > and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or > entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the > named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you > have received this message in error, please notify the sender > at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from > your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, > forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly > prohibited. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Mar 16 10:46:30 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:46:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF12A459@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Here's another Listeroid website from Washington state. http://utterpower.com/listeroi.htm This website also has a link to Steve's Lister, but at least gives Steve credit. Seems that this person also has used/worked with these engines. WAIT George Ps... The George B on the above website is not me! From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 12:25:19 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:25:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> <42374ACD.5010100@mlode.com> <42385F74.6080602@mlode.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605031612257d227624@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:08:02 -0500 (EST), Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Steve, > BTW does anyone know if Mike Montrieth (sp?) is still in the business of > importing and selling Caste Iron Currey Listers? He might be a good > independent check on the reputation of these "Old Style Lister Engine" > folks. > > See ya, Arnie I think that would be Montieth if my memory is correct. He had a sales thing going for the Indian Listers as well. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From segray at mlode.com Wed Mar 16 13:08:59 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:08:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> <42374ACD.5010100@mlode.com> <42385F74.6080602@mlode.com> Message-ID: <4238A06B.5080801@mlode.com> Hi Arnie - >On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Arnie Fero wrote: > > >>Gee, I don't think we should hold THAT against 'em. I think there are >>experts in the hobby who, for example, have never taken an engine to a >>show. It doesn't appear to have lessened their contribution. >> Absolutely true. But, I would think that would deminish some of their credibility as far as them being able to say "We build complete Lister "Listeroid" Generator Systems...". That's not to say they don't have other people involved doing the design work. >So these "sales figures" might be phony? Whoda thunk it!! >http://www.oldstylelisters.com/special_announcements.html > > That's what's being implied, anyway. >Fact or hearsay? > > No facts on paper, but the Ebay status situation comes from 2 different sources. Again, it's at minimum, a good reason for me to raise a red flag until I know for sure. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com From segray at mlode.com Wed Mar 16 13:16:35 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:16:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF12A459@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> References: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF12A459@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> Message-ID: <4238A233.6080300@mlode.com> Yep. He not only asked, but I had a bit of a part in getting his ideas going for his business. It's one of his gen heads I have on my trailer today. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com George Best wrote: >Here's another Listeroid website from Washington state. > >http://utterpower.com/listeroi.htm > >This website also has a link to Steve's Lister, but at least gives Steve >credit. > >Seems that this person also has used/worked with these engines. > >WAIT George > >Ps... The George B on the above website is not me! > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Mar 16 14:07:22 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:07:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off In-Reply-To: References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com> <42374ACD.5010100@mlode.com> <42385F74.6080602@mlode.com> Message-ID: <4b0189426bff7bb1d5dad7e584fbd4cc@chartertn.net> AFAIK he's still selling 'em. Here's a recent E-mail address for him: mdmo at rfci.net On Mar 16, 2005, at 1:08 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > BTW does anyone know if Mike Montrieth (sp?) is still in the business > of > importing and selling Caste Iron Currey Listers? He might be a good > independent check on the reputation of these "Old Style Lister Engine" > folks. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Mar 16 14:55:15 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:55:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com><42374ACD.5010100@mlode.com><42385F74.6080602@mlode.com> <4b0189426bff7bb1d5dad7e584fbd4cc@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <00a601c52a7b$3e09c9a0$0301a8c0@Reg> If I remember rightly, wasnt there some worry about them not meeting emmission controls? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Mike Montieth" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another case of web site rip-off > AFAIK he's still selling 'em. Here's a recent E-mail address for him: > mdmo at rfci.net From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Mar 16 15:46:48 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:46:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Now Listeroid Emissions Rules (Was Website Ripoff) In-Reply-To: <00a601c52a7b$3e09c9a0$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com><42374ACD.5010100@mlode.com><42385F74.6080602@mlode.com> <4b0189426bff7bb1d5dad7e584fbd4cc@chartertn.net> <00a601c52a7b$3e09c9a0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <098cbf335291a9141744ca691b844798@chartertn.net> Yes. In 1999, when Mike Montieth was the only guy importing them, he faced a lot of hassle with the EPA. They really didn't quite know what to do with them, but there was a big agency push to crack down on Diesel emissions. They finally agreed to let him bring some in as he told them they were primarily for engine collectors, but they said he couldn't bring any in after January 1, 2000. Dolly came in a batch that arrived shortly before that. Mike got his contacts to hurry up and send some certified as made before 1/1/00, which arrived in May 2000 as I recall, and they were to be the last. Sometime since, someone got the EPA to allow them to come in with a certification that they were for stationary use and would not be put in any vehicle for some period of time, and apparently that's the current situation. John On Mar 16, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Reg Ingold wrote: > If I remember rightly, wasnt there some worry about them not meeting > emmission controls? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Wed Mar 16 17:26:06 2005 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:26:06 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Oz National Report Message-ID: <20050317012606.96792.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com> Oz National Report Finally I can take down the Heyfield (Oz National 2003) rally photo that's been on the fridge for 2 years and replace it with the good looking bunch from 2005! The weather was OK, a tad on the hot side. Apparantly quite hot on Friday, then hot and windy with dust on Saturday. Sunday was a bit overcast thus cooler and the wind had gone. It was the nicest day. We'd had our accomodation booked for 2 years, a nice cabin in the bush on top of the limestone caves area, about 10Km from the rally site. On the way over, we heard that the only available accomodation was at Casterton about 130Km south! A nice town Naracoorte. Not the first time we've been there, but plenty of local history, classic SA limestone buildings, caves, the reclaimed mid-town cemetry now a public park with some nice railway stuff on display. Several shops in town with window display's supporting the rally (Menswear shop - a couple of engines and oil boxes in the window with clothes draped over, the Kodak shop and the Travel Agency). We unloaded on Friday then took off on a tour of the South-East. Everyone in the SE seemed to know about the rally. We were telling everyone we met why we were here and always received friendly favourable responses. We liked Penola, centre of the Coonawarra wine district and a nice town, I could live in Penola! Millicent has a great Museum, some un-identified engines and I was able to sketch up and measure the battery ignition parts to repro for my famous. It's amazing what you find in unexpected places. Beachport (on the coast) was nice, visibly changed only a little in the 17 years since we were there last. We had a swim in the 7-times saltier salt lake. Quite weird, you just cannot sink. Sadly though, real estate inflation is said to be squeezing out the locals, some even finding rates difficult to pay. City money spoiling these lovely areas. It's a bit sad, but no simple answer unfortunately. Some nice models (engine models) on display at the rally. The chap I spoke to knows Reg and said he expected Reg would be there, I said I thought not so it seems Ol' Reg was certainly missed. Curt & Missy and Nick Lozzi were sweating it out in the 40C heat after coming from snow piled up at the windows at home! I was quietly amused, but kept in mind that 2 foot of snow for months at a time would soon sort us out too. It was good to meet up with them. Kerry kindly arranged the SEL photo. Nick was a bit disappointed with the relatively few F&J's on show. I too was hoping the rare water cooled pumper and a few DE's would be there. I think SA was maybe the biggest importer of F&J to Oz. A herc owner told me "that" bloke called "Karcher" was about somewhere collecting Herc S/N's, I later realised it was probably Curt on Glenn's behalf. There were more Hercs than F&J's there. "Pin striping is easier that you think" said the owner of the best 2-pack concours engine there (a Herc 1-1/2). The owner is an auto spray painter so it's just another job for him, I guess. I missed videoing his engine running, but caught him wiping it down with a sponge and hot soapy water. That was an impressive sight. Certainly makes my 2-coat brush enamel jobs look average! Other list members at the Rally I met up with - Alan Johno (only a walk from home), Mick, Dave Nicko, Lindsay, Kerry, Steve K, Brian. (Pls tell me if I've forgotten anyone - not intentional, I'll make amends!). Various magneto's and a few engines for sale in the compounds. The rally auction was cancelled for some reason. No SEL compound this year unfortunately. Maybe we need a banner in each representing country. Perhaps we should be acting more like a "club" (but without club politics - is that possible?) and a bit more organizing, Great to say, but who'd do it. It would have to be a shared responsibility. I reckon many would benefit by visiting an SEL compound and "signing up" because we have the internet as our basic tool. I'd estimate a majority of club members in Oz clubs have no knowledge of how the internet (SEL) can be so useful. That's probably because a lot of members are older blokes who collected engines when they were $5. Kerry was doing a great job tour guiding Curt & Missy. On Sunday travelling back east via Russell's place, Wentworth clubrooms and Big Lizzy. A lot of good stuff missed in SA, but as always time and logistics make it difficult. Pinnaroo, Murray Bridge, Tailem Bend and Mannum are 4 good museums missed out on that come to mind. Nick was travelling more independently, but also missed seeing more collections. A hire car would have been a great idea. I was a bit disapointed in the responses from people when I asked about getting a ride east for Nick. Not as "Ozzie" as I would have liked - gee, I hope "we" aren't changing. I think he sorted out a ride though. Big engines on show included a 50HP Kynoch, 60HP Crossley, 30HP Ronnie and a 3-cyl Blackstone and some large hot-air engines. Unusual engines like a 14HP waterloo boy and a side-crank crossley, and some creative engine-driven displays like the dog weeing in some boots! I took all video, for my club library, but there should be plenty of still photo's coming up soon. Overall, I thought a good turn up of engines/tractors, not much steam. Quite a few empty compounds, but that may be a reflection of wise planning rather than numbers. The site security was commendably tight. We were unable to unload at 6PM on Thursday and had to wait until 7AM Friday. A slightly better through-flow of exhibitors unloading to avoid in/out using the same gate is all I'd say needed improvement. Graham in Oz Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 16 17:46:02 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:46:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] "New" Engine Hauler Message-ID: <20050317014602.92885.qmail@web31314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ya Hoo Folks. I just got a great deal on a 1991 Dodge 3/4 ton pickup with a Cummins Turbo Diesel. Just over 72,000 actual miles. It came out of southern Texas last year so there is no rust. It has had a seat cover and a bed liner since new. The Cat. III Reese hitch is there too. 8>)) Now I will have room to bring a couple engines down to Portland and still have room to take a couple extras back with me. 8>)))) Anyone got an extra 1991 Texas license plate I can hang on the front of a very pretty red truck? A very happy, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From keebler at ptd.net Wed Mar 16 18:21:41 2005 From: keebler at ptd.net (Frank Y) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:21:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Frank Eddy's death Message-ID: <01dc01c52a98$134965a0$bd2dee18@ptdprolog.net> Just read Judy's post and I am terribly saddened by her and the family's loss. I purchased 2 engines from Frank in 2004 but unfortunately never got to know him very well. The times that I talked with him he was exceptionally friendly. I wish I had gotten to meet him but distance from him stopped that. 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Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date: 3/1/05 From rexhinz at chorus.net Wed Mar 16 19:12:40 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:12:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] "New" Engine Hauler References: <20050317014602.92885.qmail@web31314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001301c52a9f$307c8240$0e86a5d8@mycomputer> Alan; I'm sure you will be happy with the cummings preformance and fuel mileage , I be the tire man at Skinner Transfer corp. in Reedsburg Wi. , my tire service truck is a one ton Dodge with a cummings and it gets better mileage then my 1500 Ram 318 V8 , congradulations one your wise pirchase Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:46 PM Subject: [SEL] "New" Engine Hauler > Ya Hoo Folks. > > I just got a great deal on a 1991 Dodge 3/4 ton pickup with a Cummins Turbo Diesel. > Just over 72,000 actual miles. > It came out of southern Texas last year so there is no rust. > It has had a seat cover and a bed liner since new. > The Cat. III Reese hitch is there too. 8>)) > > Now I will have room to bring a couple engines down to Portland and still have room to take a > couple extras back with me. 8>)))) > > Anyone got an extra 1991 Texas license plate I can hang on the front of a very pretty red truck? > > A very happy, > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Mar 16 20:00:22 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:00:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mike Montieth's Still Around Message-ID: <3f3748c21480e110d96ddf82b52f5512@chartertn.net> I copied that message about Mike to him and got a reply off-List. Here's an excerpt: Hi John, I'm still here. I just got in another load of the GM-90 series Listeroids. I've sold a bunch of them but I still have 37 left. I don't deal with the "African Market" engines, sandboxes are for the kiddies and the kittys. The GM-90 is an improved model with true oil pressure to the rod, not splash. It also has the counterweighted crank, a water pump, cylinder liner, and tapered roller bearings. Mike's E-mail: mdmo at rfci.net John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Mar 16 20:52:32 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:52:32 EST Subject: [SEL] Frank's funeral Message-ID: <36.6ebadd6b.2f6a6710@aol.com> In a message dated 03/15/2005 8:56:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, eddy93 at iowatelecom.net writes: Schmidt Family Funeral Home, Centerville, Iowa 52544. Frank Eddy's obituary is available on the following web site. _http://www.schmidtfamilyfuneralhome.com/Obituaries/f-eddy.htm_ (http://www.schmidtfamilyfuneralhome.com/Obituaries/f-eddy.htm) Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Mar 16 22:17:15 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:17:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Now Listeroid Emissions Rules (Was Website Ripoff) References: <4235C704.3050302@mlode.com><42374ACD.5010100@mlode.com><42385F74.6080602@mlode.com><4b0189426bff7bb1d5dad7e584fbd4cc@chartertn.net><00a601c52a7b$3e09c9a0$0301a8c0@Reg> <098cbf335291a9141744ca691b844798@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <004d01c52abc$52b5edc0$0301a8c0@Reg> Thanks for that info John. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 10:46 AM Subject: [SEL] Now Listeroid Emissions Rules (Was Website Ripoff) > Yes. In 1999, when Mike Montieth was the only guy importing them, he > faced a lot of hassle with the EPA. They really didn't quite know what > to do with them, but there was a big agency push to crack down on > Diesel emissions. They finally agreed to let him bring some in as he > told them they were primarily for engine collectors, but they said he > couldn't bring any in after January 1, 2000. Dolly came in a batch that > arrived shortly before that. Mike got his contacts to hurry up and send > some certified as made before 1/1/00, which arrived in May 2000 as I > recall, and they were to be the last. Sometime since, someone got the > EPA to allow them to come in with a certification that they were for > stationary use and would not be put in any vehicle for some period of > time, and apparently that's the current situation. > > John > > On Mar 16, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Reg Ingold wrote: > > > If I remember rightly, wasnt there some worry about them not meeting > > emmission controls? > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marshallman at iprimus.com.au Thu Mar 17 04:40:18 2005 From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:40:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 Message-ID: <002901c52aee$7a9fe750$24781bd3@userrhktdzvtaa> So young ...... a real loss ...... Jim > > (http://www.schmidtfamilyfuneralhome.com/Obituaries/f-eddy.htm) From glenn.karch at gte.net Thu Mar 17 06:01:30 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:01:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Frank's funeral References: <36.6ebadd6b.2f6a6710@aol.com> Message-ID: <001c01c52af9$d4244fe0$b7be123f@oemcomputer> To All, Frank Eddy was a friend of mine. We got acquainted several years ago. He was an excellent resource person on the engines built by the Waterloo Gas Engine Company. I often visited with him at the Midwest Old Threshers Reunion at Mt Pleasant, Iowa where he and his three brothers were all active participants. He will certainly be missed. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Frank's funeral > > In a message dated 03/15/2005 8:56:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, > eddy93 at iowatelecom.net writes: > > Schmidt Family Funeral Home, Centerville, Iowa 52544. > > > > Frank Eddy's obituary is available on the following web site. > > _http://www.schmidtfamilyfuneralhome.com/Obituaries/f-eddy.htm_ > (http://www.schmidtfamilyfuneralhome.com/Obituaries/f-eddy.htm) > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mogul460 at localnet.com Thu Mar 17 09:52:27 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:52:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Hi Everyone, Just a Test to see if I am on. Charlie Bryant From ottawa at pa.net Thu Mar 17 09:22:39 2005 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:22:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <14fb01c52b15$ec3374f0$56f1cd97@HONDESKTOP> Hi Charlie, Welcome back! Hope you are feeling better each day! Contact Clarence and tell him to come visit you! Hope to see you at Portland!!!! Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers RR 1, Box 2032 Blain, PA 17006 The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles R Bryant To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:52 PM Subject: [SEL] Test Hi Everyone, Just a Test to see if I am on. Charlie Bryant _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BillMil357 at aol.com Thu Mar 17 09:26:47 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:26:47 EST Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <79.4181015f.2f6b17d7@aol.com> Hi Charlie, You bet you are on and we are sure glad to see you back on the list, I did a bunch of praying for you and hope to see you again at the SIAM show in Evansville, IN. this year. See'ya, Bill Miller, Memphis, TN. From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 17 09:29:22 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:29:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <20050317172922.94196.qmail@web25008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Charlie You are. Dave In Southwest England (at the moment) --- Charles R Bryant wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Just a Test to see if I am on. > > Charlie Bryant Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 09:43:00 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:43:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050317094349eb9713@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:52:27 -0600, Charles R Bryant wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Just a Test to see if I am on. > > Charlie Bryant Sure looks OK from here in the UK, Charlie! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Mar 17 09:43:37 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:43:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <4239C1C9.4050301@fidnet.com> Hi Charlie, Looks like you passed the test. Now to go outside and play in the 55* temp sunshine. Gary Charles R Bryant wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Just a Test to see if I am on. > > Charlie Bryant > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Mar 17 09:59:52 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:59:52 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <000f01c52b1b$1ecf2350$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hello Charlie, Even here at this side of the pond you came through. I hope everything is allright with you now and that the old engine spins like a kitten. Alas can't see you this year at Portland. Glad you're back on the list. Take care, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web Hi Everyone, Just a Test to see if I am on. Charlie Bryant _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Mar 17 10:06:43 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:06:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <33544.165.206.180.118.1111082803.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Yeah! Glad you are, too. Bill > Hi Everyone, > > Just a Test to see if I am on. > > Charlie Bryant > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu Mar 17 10:28:55 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:28:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine in NZ revisited In-Reply-To: <000701c527ba$a38a7e50$25d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <3m+nSU0WeqMCFw3K@lnc025.dial.nildram.co.uk> <000701c527ba$a38a7e50$25d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: Thanks to Rick and Peter for the suggestions. I have posted a question on the oldmarineengine board and we'll see what we see. Regards Pete In message <000701c527ba$a38a7e50$25d03dca at ogborneuah38i3>, peter ogborne writes >I can't see a prop shaft connection but try >http://www.oldmarineengine.com/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi >----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 11:55 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery engine in NZ revisited > > >> To me it looks boatish. I say this cause he had to prop it up to get >>it level. Isn't there a website that just deals in boat motors? >> >> RickinMt. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Scales" >> >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 1:25 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine in NZ revisited >> >> >>> Further to my earlier message, Gordon Banfield has sent me four more >>> pictures of an engine that he can't identify. I still can't help. It >>> can be seen at: >>> >>> http://www.petesextension.com/Gordon/ >>> >>> Anyone have any ideas? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Pete >>> -- Peter Scales >>> -- Peter Scales From shop at cccomm.net Thu Mar 17 12:16:28 2005 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:16:28 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Novo References: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> <6f602516050317094349eb9713@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <017401c52b2e$33cd4df0$6401a8c0@Shop> Finished up the Novo I started earlier this year. When I first cranked it up after purchasing it smoked terribly. After tearing it down, I didn't find anything terribly wrong, so I cleaned it up, gave it a ring and valve job and now it runs fine. I have the RPM down to less than 300, and when I have run it some to break in the rings a little better I will see how slow I can make it run. I'm looking for 150 to 200 RPM if that's possible. Pics of the project are at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31525987&vt=vp I bought a couple of engines at the Turlock swap meet this last weekend, a Monitor and an Ottawa. Their pics are at the bottom. Dave From FGreatwestern at aol.com Thu Mar 17 12:26:31 2005 From: FGreatwestern at aol.com (FGreatwestern at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:26:31 EST Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <1e1.384d6490.2f6b41f7@aol.com> In a message dated 3/17/2005 12:19:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mogul460 at localnet.com writes: Hi Everyone, Just a Test to see if I am on. Charlie Bryant _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Hi Charlie, Your on!!! Good to hear from you. Take it one day at a time. Just got back from visiting Ron. Everyone is doing good around here. Be in touch. Fred From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Mar 17 12:58:42 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:58:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 References: <002901c52aee$7a9fe750$24781bd3@userrhktdzvtaa> Message-ID: <004101c52b36$38512ec0$0301a8c0@Reg> Anyone know what happened? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:40 PM Subject: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 > So young ...... a real loss ...... > > Jim > > > > > (http://www.schmidtfamilyfuneralhome.com/Obituaries/f-eddy.htm) From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Mar 17 13:07:14 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:07:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <20050317.161345.1284.9.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Charlie Works here. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rexhinz at chorus.net Thu Mar 17 14:07:05 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:07:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <002d01c52b3d$ab1ad8f0$3b86a5d8@mycomputer> welcom back Charlie , glad to hear from ya Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant" To: Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:52 AM Subject: [SEL] Test Hi Everyone, Just a Test to see if I am on. Charlie Bryant _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Mar 17 14:58:30 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:58:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <20050317.161345.1284.9.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <003601c52b44$f7652a60$cfa4f504@x8h7l9> Hi Charlie, I am glad you are back. Thank you LORD. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT From ottawa at pa.net Thu Mar 17 16:43:07 2005 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:43:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 References: <002901c52aee$7a9fe750$24781bd3@userrhktdzvtaa> <004101c52b36$38512ec0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <15fa01c52b53$75d6ab90$56f1cd97@HONDESKTOP> Copied from an Iowa newspaper: Centerville man trapped in tractor By: 03/16/2005 CENTERVILLE - A rural Centerville man died of injuries received after he was trapped in a tractor. Appanoose County Sheriff's deputies found Frank M. Eddy, 49, of rural Centerville pinned between the frame of a Honeybee tractor-loader and the sides of the loader arms. Deputies received the call at about 3:45 p.m. Monday and responded to the Sidles Top Crop Co-Op south of Centerville. Members of the Centerville Fire/Rescue Department had to use heavy extrication equipment to remove Eddy from the tractor. He was pronounced dead at Mercy Hospital. Deputies said preliminary investigation revealed that Eddy was moving an anhydrous ammonia trailer with the tractor-loader from nearby scales to a parking area. As Eddy was parking the anhydrous ammonia trailer, he prepared to unhook the trailer from the tractor-loader and became pinned between the loader arms and the frame of the tractor. The case is under investigation by the Appanoose County Sheriff and the county and state medical examiner offices. ________________________________________________________________________ George L. & Helen S. Myers RR 1, Box 2032 Blain, PA 17006 The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 ----- Original Message ----- From: Reg Ingold To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 Anyone know what happened? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:40 PM Subject: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 > So young ...... a real loss ...... > > Jim > > > > > (http://www.schmidtfamilyfuneralhome.com/Obituaries/f-eddy.htm) From gwaugh at wowway.com Thu Mar 17 17:26:52 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:26:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: <004101c52b36$38512ec0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <200503180126.j2I1QiA10185@pop-6.dnv.wideopenwest.com> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Reg Ingold Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:59 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 Anyone know what happened? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold CENTERVILLE - A rural Centerville man died of injuries received after he was trapped in a tractor. Appanoose County Sheriff's deputies found Frank M. Eddy, 49, of rural Centerville pinned between the frame of a Honeybee tractor-loader and the sides of the loader arms. Deputies received the call at about 3:45 p.m. Monday and responded to the Sidles Top Crop Co-Op south of Centerville. Members of the Centerville Fire/Rescue Department had to use heavy extrication equipment to remove Eddy from the tractor. He was pronounced dead at Mercy Hospital. Deputies said preliminary investigation revealed that Eddy was moving an anhydrous ammonia trailer with the tractor-loader from nearby scales to a parking area. As Eddy was parking the anhydrous ammonia trailer, he prepared to unhook the trailer from the tractor-loader and became pinned between the loader arms and the frame of the tractor. The case is under investigation by the Appanoose County Sheriff and the county and state medical examiner offices. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Mar 17 18:55:00 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:55:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Eagles are still traveling Message-ID: <200503180255.j2I2t9vn080838@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I finally caught up with Curt and Missy Holland this morning. I spent a couple of hours with them in the city. They have seen a lot of Australia (and a lot of Australians) in their time here (I have apologised on behalf of all Australians for Russell). It is great to catch up face to face with engine friends I have never met :) Curt was going to offer his Stickney in trade for Edd's Blackstone but since the Stickney has been sold while Curt was away the deal is off. I think Kerry is going to let Curt have his Blackstone so at least he still has one engine ;) Kerry and Ruth have shown how great the friendships are in this hobby by providing transport and acting as tour guides for our wandering American visitors. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Mar 18 04:03:57 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:03:57 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Novo In-Reply-To: <017401c52b2e$33cd4df0$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: Hi Dave, It looks great! Really enjoyed the pictures. Nice job. The fuel tank looked awful. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =========================== >From: "Dave Ernst" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] Novo >Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:16:28 -0800 > >Finished up the Novo I started earlier this year. When I first cranked it >up >after purchasing it smoked terribly. After tearing it down, I didn't find >anything terribly wrong, so I cleaned it up, gave it a ring and valve job >and now it runs fine. I have the RPM down to less than 300, and when I have >run it some to break in the rings a little better I will see how slow I can >make it run. I'm looking for 150 to 200 RPM if that's possible. >Pics of the project are at >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31525987&vt=vp >I bought a couple of engines at the Turlock swap meet this last weekend, a >Monitor and an Ottawa. Their pics are at the bottom. >Dave From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Mar 18 04:48:21 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:48:21 EST Subject: [SEL] Novo Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/2005 7:28:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, flywheelin at hotmail.com writes: << The fuel tank looked awful. >> Dave, What is "Kreem tank" sealant? I need to get busy and get my Nova back together too! Thanks for the photos. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Mar 18 05:33:59 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 06:33:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo References: <005b01c52b1a$159ecd40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com><6f602516050317094349eb9713@mail.gmail.com> <017401c52b2e$33cd4df0$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: Very nice job Dave! Enjoyed all the great pictures and how it all came together. The decal, nameplate and Wico along with the copper lines sure do add the finishing touch. Hopefully one of these days I'll own a vertical with such class. Again Good Job RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: [SEL] Novo > Finished up the Novo I started earlier this year. When I first cranked it > up > after purchasing it smoked terribly. After tearing it down, I didn't find > anything terribly wrong, so I cleaned it up, gave it a ring and valve job > and now it runs fine. I have the RPM down to less than 300, and when I > have > run it some to break in the rings a little better I will see how slow I > can > make it run. I'm looking for 150 to 200 RPM if that's possible. > Pics of the project are at > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31525987&vt=vp > I bought a couple of engines at the Turlock swap meet this last weekend, a > Monitor and an Ottawa. Their pics are at the bottom. > Dave > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Mar 18 07:04:13 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:04:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: <15fa01c52b53$75d6ab90$56f1cd97@HONDESKTOP> References: <002901c52aee$7a9fe750$24781bd3@userrhktdzvtaa> <004101c52b36$38512ec0$0301a8c0@Reg> <15fa01c52b53$75d6ab90$56f1cd97@HONDESKTOP> Message-ID: <45154.165.206.180.118.1111158253.squirrel@antique-engines.com> oh, man - that's awful. Ugh. Gotta be hard on his wife/family. Bill > Copied from an Iowa newspaper: > > > Centerville man trapped in tractor > > > > > > By: 03/16/2005 > > > > > > > > > > CENTERVILLE - A rural Centerville man died of injuries received > after he was trapped in a tractor. > Appanoose County Sheriff's deputies found Frank M. Eddy, 49, of > rural Centerville pinned between the frame of a Honeybee > tractor-loader and the sides of the loader arms. > Deputies received the call at about 3:45 p.m. Monday and responded > to the Sidles Top Crop Co-Op south of Centerville. > Members of the Centerville Fire/Rescue Department had to use heavy > extrication equipment to remove Eddy from the tractor. He was > pronounced dead at Mercy Hospital. > Deputies said preliminary investigation revealed that Eddy was > moving an anhydrous ammonia trailer with the tractor-loader from > nearby scales to a parking area. > As Eddy was parking the anhydrous ammonia trailer, he prepared to > unhook the trailer from the tractor-loader and became pinned between > the loader arms and the frame of the tractor. > The case is under investigation by the Appanoose County Sheriff and > the county and state medical examiner offices. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > George L. & Helen S. Myers > RR 1, Box 2032 > Blain, PA 17006 > The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net > Tel 717-536-3711 > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Reg Ingold > To: The SEL email discussion list > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 > > > Anyone know what happened? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:40 PM > Subject: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 > > > > So young ...... a real loss ...... > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > (http://www.schmidtfamilyfuneralhome.com/Obituaries/f-eddy.htm) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri Mar 18 08:09:35 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:09:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT old Tech. Solid State Ignition Message-ID: <00d201c52bd4$e2596e20$14b6f504@x8h7l9> I have been working on the 1970 vintage Tecumseh HH-120 under the flywheel Solid State Ignition for a while and have come up with a simple, inexpensive fix for some of the failures. My web site, http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ has the details if you are interested. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Mar 18 15:47:04 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:47:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Novo - Kreem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <423B6878.2010504@steamengine.com.au> Kreem is a liquid plastic product used to repair fuel tanks - you empty the tank and let it dry, then shake out all the loose crud and pour in Kreem and turn the tank until all the internal surfaces are coated. Pour the Kreem back into its container (ready for next time). After the stuff dries you have a non-leaky tank. You might have to do it a couple of times for enough thickness. There are other products that do the same thing. I've used one and it seems to have worked ok. Soap is also useful for a temporary seal if you're at a rally - just rub it over the leaky seam or pinholes and they usually seal up. Remember if you use a product like Kreem, first remove the fuel piping and cover the hole on the outside with tape otherwise you'll block up your pipe! You can get Kreem and like products from motorcycle and vintage car restoration places. Some autoparts shops might also stock it. Paul Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/18/2005 7:28:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, > flywheelin at hotmail.com writes: > > << The fuel tank looked > awful. >> > > > Dave, > > What is "Kreem tank" sealant? I need to get busy and get my Nova back > together too! Thanks for the photos. > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 18/03/2005 From cwja at telus.net Fri Mar 18 15:51:40 2005 From: cwja at telus.net (Allen Home) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:51:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <423B698C.9000604@telus.net> Hi Dave Good job on your Novo. Looks very much like my Novo. Have a look at my 1915? Novo on my home page. I have it running between 180 to 200 rpm, firing only 6 times a minute. It does load up with oil and carbon that has to be burnt out with some high speed running every once in a while. I was fortunate with my engine which was given to me free by a friend of my sister in Petrolia, Ontario, Canada. I had to drive it back across Canada 2,800 miles between Christmas and New Years in 1995 in the back of my camper van. The exterior was rusty and pitted from rat poop; but the engine was not stuck. There were no frost breaks because the top had been covered. The piston was at TDC and the valves were closed thankfully. With such an engine there is no way for water to get in with things in this position. It had no mixer which turned out to be significant. The engine had sat outdoors in the same sheep paddock for at least 60 years and later was put inside a pig pen building, attached to a grain chopper but with no final alignment for running, for about 10 to 20 years When I finally started rebuilding this gem, I found the impossible had happened! It was brand new! No wear on anything; valves still had lapping marks; babbit was still dull, not shined up with wear; no cylinder wear; NADA! No rust inside at all. I refinished the exterior, put in gas and oil, sealed all the interior fittings of inspection panels and bearing blocks with silicone sealer (must do this to stop leakage of much oil because manufacturer's machining was always very poor for such fittings in this vintage) ; built a special crankcase breather to equalize pressures in the oil sump; attached a 6 volt buzz box ignition ; flipped the flywheels twice and she started running great. Many fine adjustments later; particularly mixer check valve; restricting the intake size on mixer; piping changes; and tweeking the spring tensions of latch and flywheel weight allows the slow running. I have now run this beauty for about 60 hours and it is just starting to break-in. The reason we have determined the engine was new is because Charlie Fairbanks, the son of the original buyer of the engine in Petrolia, figured that it was due to the fact that Petrolia is the site of the first working oil well in North America ( yes, check it out Pennsylvania and Texas). They never found a suitable mixer to run the engine on the raw crude they were bringing up from shallow oil wells in the area. They just abandoned the engine through disinterest until I came along and heard Charlie talking in a restaurant dinner we were having with some Industrial Archeologists from Canada and United States. He was telling someone about this old engine and I leaped up and said he should not waste the engine and that I could do something about it. He gave it to me that night, sight unseen. Sometimes you get lucky with engines and even with women! BTW, Petrolia or nearby Oil Springs is the place where most of the leather valves for oil and water pumps for most old equipment in the world are made by a small back alley company that Charlie's dad started in the beginning of the 1900's and still is in operation. Jeff Allen, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada http://webspace.oanet.com/jeff/ > > >> From: "Dave Ernst" >> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Subject: [SEL] Novo >> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:16:28 -0800 >> >> Finished up the Novo I started earlier this year. When I first >> cranked it up >> after purchasing it smoked terribly. After tearing it down, I didn't >> find >> anything terribly wrong, so I cleaned it up, gave it a ring and valve >> job >> and now it runs fine. I have the RPM down to less than 300, and when >> I have >> run it some to break in the rings a little better I will see how slow >> I can >> make it run. I'm looking for 150 to 200 RPM if that's possible. >> Pics of the project are at >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31525987&vt=vp >> I bought a couple of engines at the Turlock swap meet this last >> weekend, a >> Monitor and an Ottawa. Their pics are at the bottom. >> Dave > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Fri Mar 18 16:31:56 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:31:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Naracoorte National Message-ID: <003f01c52c1b$0f04f750$463354d2@Cam> Well I arrived home last night from the National which was very good and very hot, a great collection of engines and tractors had a chance to talk to the SEL members ( maybe a dozen or so there ) Curt and Missy Holland and also Nick Lozzi were over from the US. I did the return trip Via Mildura, had a few ales with Russell Gilbert and toured places I hadn't seen before. I won't get to far into it as I know there is a good report coming. Cheers Cam Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford 2250 Australia From page at velocitynet.com.au Fri Mar 18 17:29:39 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:29:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Naracoorte National References: <003f01c52c1b$0f04f750$463354d2@Cam> Message-ID: <004901c52c23$1eb58fe0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Just a quick question. Where is the next National going to be?? Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:31 AM Subject: [SEL] Naracoorte National > Well I arrived home last night from the National which was very good and > very hot, a great collection of engines and tractors had a chance to talk to > the SEL members ( maybe a dozen or so there ) Curt and Missy Holland and > also Nick Lozzi were over from the US. I did the return trip Via Mildura, > had a few ales with Russell Gilbert and toured places I hadn't seen before. > I won't get to far into it as I know there is a good report coming. Cheers > Cam > Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford 2250 > Australia > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 18 18:35:45 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:35:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG GENERATOR LIGHT PLANT (#7501404594) Message-ID: <1111199745.423b90015f9fa@webmail.city-net.com> Here's one for the "Mad About Maytags" bunch... View this Item on eBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7501404594 ----------------------------------------------------------------- MAYTAG ENGINE GENERATOR LIGHT PLANT not HIT and MISS Item number: 7501404594 Buy It Now Price: US $2,000.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Summary This is a Maytag Multi Motor twin cylinder engine with the rare Pioneer Genemotor light plant options.  It starts and runs great with good power.  The generator lights a 110V 100 watt bulb nicely.   It also has 6V dc on the other side of the box.  I haven't tried the 6v side but I assume it works. It was made between 1939-1940.  It was made especially for light plant duty with the extra large fuel tank.   This engine is free of cracks and breaks.  Serial number is 863786.   This is a rare one! From solarrog at pacbell.net Fri Mar 18 18:57:24 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:57:24 -0800 Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG GENERATOR LIGHT PLANT (#7501404594) References: <1111199745.423b90015f9fa@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <01ae01c52c2f$61fe2da0$e7f3af40@D6R3D961> Yes I saw the auction, I just do not agree with the value asked Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old_Engine" Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 6:35 PM Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG GENERATOR LIGHT PLANT (#7501404594) > Here's one for the "Mad About Maytags" bunch... > > View this Item on eBay at > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7501404594 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > MAYTAG ENGINE GENERATOR LIGHT PLANT not HIT and MISS > Item number: 7501404594 > Buy It Now Price: US $2,000.00 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Summary > This is a Maytag Multi Motor twin cylinder engine with the rare Pioneer > Genemotor light plant options.  It starts and runs great with good > power.  The generator lights a 110V 100 watt bulb nicely.   > It > also has 6V dc on the other side of the box.  I haven't tried the 6v > side > but I assume it works. It was made between 1939-1940.  > It was > made especially for light plant duty with the extra large fuel tank.  >  This engine is free of cracks and breaks.  Serial number is > 863786.   This is a rare one! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Mar 18 20:16:37 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:16:37 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Naracoorte National In-Reply-To: <004901c52c23$1eb58fe0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> References: <003f01c52c1b$0f04f750$463354d2@Cam> <004901c52c23$1eb58fe0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <423BA7A5.7060407@steamengine.com.au> I think the next one is in Queensland (or maybe that is the one after the next?). I know that Bundaberg club has solicited support from our club for their application to hold the rally. I cannot for the life of me see why any club would want to hold the national - the work required is phenomonal - even with top notch attendance the chance of breaking even is just about zero. Paul Ron Page wrote: > Just a quick question. Where is the next National going to be?? > > Ron > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 18/03/2005 From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Fri Mar 18 20:18:02 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:18:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Naracoorte National References: <003f01c52c1b$0f04f750$463354d2@Cam> <004901c52c23$1eb58fe0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <000601c52c3a$a4910560$f33354d2@Cam> Hi Ron, the next is at Biloela approx 150 klm's west of Gladstone Queensland. Gladstone is on the coast. Hope this helps. If you need more info I can help. Regards Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Naracoorte National > Just a quick question. Where is the next National going to be?? > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cam grundy" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:31 AM > Subject: [SEL] Naracoorte National > > >> Well I arrived home last night from the National which was very good and >> very hot, a great collection of engines and tractors had a chance to talk > to >> the SEL members ( maybe a dozen or so there ) Curt and Missy Holland and >> also Nick Lozzi were over from the US. I did the return trip Via Mildura, >> had a few ales with Russell Gilbert and toured places I hadn't seen > before. >> I won't get to far into it as I know there is a good report coming. > Cheers >> Cam >> Cam and Edwina Grundy >> Kariong >> Gosford 2250 >> Australia >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Fri Mar 18 21:46:41 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:46:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Naracoorte National References: <003f01c52c1b$0f04f750$463354d2@Cam><004901c52c23$1eb58fe0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <000601c52c3a$a4910560$f33354d2@Cam> Message-ID: <008601c52c47$072df640$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Thanks Cam. I expect we will get more info through TOMM. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Naracoorte National > Hi Ron, the next is at Biloela approx 150 klm's west of Gladstone > Queensland. Gladstone is on the coast. Hope this helps. If you need more > info I can help. > Regards Cam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Page" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 12:29 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Naracoorte National > > > > Just a quick question. Where is the next National going to be?? > > > > Ron > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "cam grundy" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:31 AM > > Subject: [SEL] Naracoorte National > > > > > >> Well I arrived home last night from the National which was very good and > >> very hot, a great collection of engines and tractors had a chance to talk > > to > >> the SEL members ( maybe a dozen or so there ) Curt and Missy Holland and > >> also Nick Lozzi were over from the US. I did the return trip Via Mildura, > >> had a few ales with Russell Gilbert and toured places I hadn't seen > > before. > >> I won't get to far into it as I know there is a good report coming. > > Cheers > >> Cam > >> Cam and Edwina Grundy > >> Kariong > >> Gosford 2250 > >> Australia > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Mar 19 03:40:23 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:40:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stover Duro info Message-ID: <031920051140.8984.423C0FA7000875920000231821979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi All, Looking for Stover Duro owners. Need some info on the serial numbers. thankyou in advance, Curt Andree From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Mar 19 04:23:08 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 07:23:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My "New" Genset References: <00b401c52834$90d5fa80$9235ef18@pengy> <43f819783612f40d541431b1b2e2b699@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <002201c52c7e$68fba1b0$9235ef18@pengy> I successfully picked up the genset yesterday and delivered it to the Tod Engine restoration shop. I was floored when I found out that this thing not only puts out 120 and 240 single phase but also 208 three phase! Now I can run my 5 hp air compressor which has been idle since I got it a couple of years ago. I'm leaving in a few minutes for Lexington, VA to pick up the 300 amp gas welder. We'e going to stop at the New River gorge along the way and scare the wits out of my wife! (she doesn't like heights) Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] My "New" Genset > That's a beauty all right, Rick! > > John > > On Mar 13, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Tod Engine wrote: >> Isn't it a beauty! That nice yellow paint sure makes it more visually >> appealing than the original olive drab green. I sure hope we get a few >> years of trouble free service from it. > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 19 06:10:16 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 08:10:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT old Tech. Solid State Ignition References: <00d201c52bd4$e2596e20$14b6f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <003c01c52c8d$60b34760$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> very good work Ed ! The E6000 is Goop by any other name ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. under the flywheel Solid State Ignition http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 19 07:23:40 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:23:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org Message-ID: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> We have updated the Member's and Commercial Links pages to reflect a couple of newcomers to the show, have a look when you get a minute. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sat Mar 19 08:14:13 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:14:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005101c52c9e$b0ef60e0$3775833e@harryp1811> Looks GREAT Peter!! You can see you really put allot of effort in the pages!! You can include mine if you want. http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 4:23 PM Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > We have updated the Member's and Commercial Links pages to reflect a > couple of newcomers to the show, have a look when you get a minute. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 19 08:31:43 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:31:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Novo - Kreem References: <423B6878.2010504@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <00e701c52ca1$23095c60$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Remember if you use a product like Kreem, first remove the fuel piping > and cover the hole on the outside with tape otherwise you'll block up > your pipe! And sometimes it turns into a wrinkled up mess that looks like someone wadded up and stuffed an old yellow newspaper in your tank . And sometimes its easier to just make another tank altogether than spend 30 + bucks on pookey . I owe somebody a--- how-to-make-a , dont I ? Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sat Mar 19 08:33:57 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:33:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <005101c52c9e$b0ef60e0$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <005d01c52ca1$72d69730$3775833e@harryp1811> Oops I should learn to look twice before I start talking....... I see I'm already there. Thanks, Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Terpstra" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > Looks GREAT Peter!! > You can see you really put allot of effort in the pages!! > > You can include mine if you want. > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > Harry Terpstra > Sint Annaparochie > Netherlands > h.terpstra at wxs.nl > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 4:23 PM > Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > > > > We have updated the Member's and Commercial Links pages to reflect a > > couple of newcomers to the show, have a look when you get a minute. > > > > Peter > > -- > > Peter A Forbes > > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sat Mar 19 09:07:48 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:07:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Do you suppose that I could put a link to my e-commerce website on your links page? www.wizbzngtools.com We are just getting it started and don't have many items for sale. We are looking for more items to list. We want to sell tools for everything not just mechanics tools. Thanks Skip & Betty Cleveland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 10:23 AM Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > We have updated the Member's and Commercial Links pages to reflect a > couple of newcomers to the show, have a look when you get a minute. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 19 09:15:35 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:15:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <005101c52c9e$b0ef60e0$3775833e@harryp1811> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <005101c52c9e$b0ef60e0$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <6f60251605031909152483963c@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:14:13 +0100, Harry Terpstra wrote: > Looks GREAT Peter!! > You can see you really put allot of effort in the pages!! > > You can include mine if you want. > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > Harry Terpstra Hi Harry: We can only put the Oldengine members on this listing I'm afraid, because that is what is covers. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 19 09:35:09 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:35:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Message-ID: <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:07:48 -0500, Skip Cleveland wrote: > Do you suppose that I could put a link to my e-commerce > website on your links page? > www.wizbzngtools.com > We are just getting it started and don't have many items for sale. We are > looking for more items to list. We want to sell tools for everything not > just mechanics tools. > Thanks > Skip & Betty Cleveland Hi Skip: I'll ask Jim Dunmyer to advise on that one, but I can't see any reason why not... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Mar 19 10:22:20 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:22:20 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine Message-ID: <200503191822.j2JIMOf9029232@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi, A friend has a little hopper cooled open crank engine with "Dairy Maid" on the hopper. It's a little unique in that it has only three head bolts. I can send pictures to a sight if some one has the space. He would like to know who made it and any history available. Does anyone on the list have one so we can see what the missing parts look like? Thanks for any help, Jimmy O'Hagan Novato,Ca. 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Mar 19 11:29:35 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:29:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine References: <200503191822.j2JIMOf9029232@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: I can post them if you'd like Jim RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:22 AM Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine > Hi, A friend has a little hopper cooled open crank engine with "Dairy > Maid" > on the hopper. It's a little unique in that it has only three head bolts. > I > can send pictures to a sight if some one has the space. He would like to > know who made it and any history available. Does anyone on the list have > one > so we can see what the missing parts look like? Thanks for any help, Jimmy > O'Hagan Novato,Ca. 415 892 0236 > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sat Mar 19 11:33:39 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:33:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Sounds good. Here is an interesting tool that we are trying to list, www.thedismantler.com There is an interesting vidio showing it being used on a steam traction engine. I have had this guy as a guest at our house and have one of his tools and it does work. He is an inventors inventor all right.:-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:07:48 -0500, Skip Cleveland > wrote: >> Do you suppose that I could put a link to my e-commerce >> website on your links page? >> www.wizbzngtools.com >> We are just getting it started and don't have many items for sale. We are >> looking for more items to list. We want to sell tools for everything not >> just mechanics tools. >> Thanks >> Skip & Betty Cleveland > > Hi Skip: > > I'll ask Jim Dunmyer to advise on that one, but I can't see any reason > why not... > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Mar 19 12:02:36 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:02:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine In-Reply-To: <200503191822.j2JIMOf9029232@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200503191822.j2JIMOf9029232@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <423C855C.8030404@earthlink.net> Hi Jim, Check this link. http://oldengine.org/members/allen/WardCatalogs/WardCatalogs.html If this is the same engine, contact me off list for more pictures and info. About half way down the page. Jeff Allen Jim O'Hagan wrote: >Hi, A friend has a little hopper cooled open crank engine with "Dairy Maid" >on the hopper. It's a little unique in that it has only three head bolts. I >can send pictures to a sight if some one has the space. He would like to >know who made it and any history available. Does anyone on the list have one >so we can see what the missing parts look like? Thanks for any help, Jimmy >O'Hagan Novato,Ca. 415 892 0236 > > > >Jim O'Hagan > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Mar 19 13:21:13 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:21:13 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503192121.j2JLLJ1b071134@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Richard, I tried to send several but they bounced.[mailbox not open]. I'll try again. Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:30 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery engine I can post them if you'd like Jim RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:22 AM Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine > Hi, A friend has a little hopper cooled open crank engine with "Dairy > Maid" > on the hopper. It's a little unique in that it has only three head bolts. > I > can send pictures to a sight if some one has the space. He would like to > know who made it and any history available. Does anyone on the list have > one > so we can see what the missing parts look like? Thanks for any help, Jimmy > O'Hagan Novato,Ca. 415 892 0236 > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From don.h at wcoil.com Sat Mar 19 13:47:15 2005 From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:47:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover Duro info References: <031920051140.8984.423C0FA7000875920000231821979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <002301c52ccd$37a56070$6400a8c0@shuttle> Hi curt I got one of those little devils but am in the same boat as you...I did get it to run after a lot of false starts fun little engine Don in Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL Lists" Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 6:40 AM Subject: [SEL] Stover Duro info > Hi All, > Looking for Stover Duro owners. Need some info on the serial numbers. > thankyou in advance, > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Mar 19 19:50:13 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:50:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG GENERATOR LIGHT PLANT (#7501404594) In-Reply-To: <1111199745.423b90015f9fa@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1111199745.423b90015f9fa@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050319224925.110950e8@mail.alltel.net> March Madness is bad enough--MAYTAG Madness is even worse! Dave At 09:35 PM 3/18/2005, you wrote: >Here's one for the "Mad About Maytags" bunch... > >View this Item on eBay at >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7501404594 > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >MAYTAG ENGINE GENERATOR LIGHT PLANT not HIT and MISS >Item number: 7501404594 >Buy It Now Price: US $2,000.00 >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Summary >This is a Maytag Multi Motor twin cylinder engine with the rare Pioneer >Genemotor light plant options.  It starts and runs great with good >power.  The generator lights a 110V 100 watt bulb nicely.   It >also has 6V dc on the other side of the box.  I haven't tried the 6v side >but I assume it works. It was made between 1939-1940.  It was >made especially for light plant duty with the extra large fuel tank.  > This engine is free of cracks and breaks.  Serial number is >863786.   This is a rare one! > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Mar 19 20:11:05 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:11:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine References: <200503192121.j2JLLJ1b071134@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Please do Jim. Just got a new cyberbox with XL and it gave me some prob's. Should be ok now. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 2:21 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Mystery engine > Hi Richard, I tried to send several but they bounced.[mailbox not open]. > I'll try again. Jimmy > > Jim O'Hagan > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:30 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery engine > > I can post them if you'd like Jim > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim O'Hagan" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:22 AM > Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine > > > > Hi, A friend has a little hopper cooled open crank engine with "Dairy > > Maid" > > on the hopper. It's a little unique in that it has only three head > > bolts. > > I > > can send pictures to a sight if some one has the space. He would like to > > know who made it and any history available. Does anyone on the list have > > one > > so we can see what the missing parts look like? Thanks for any help, > > Jimmy > > O'Hagan Novato,Ca. 415 892 0236 > > > > > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 00:45:26 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:45:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Message-ID: <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:33:39 -0500, Skip Cleveland wrote: > Sounds good. > Here is an interesting tool that we are trying to list, > www.thedismantler.com > There is an interesting vidio showing it being used on a steam traction > engine. > I have had this guy as a guest at our house and have one of his tools and it > does work. > He is an inventors inventor all right.:-) Hi again, Skip: I've put it in the Commercial Links page for now, Jim has OK'd that for you. The site link isn't working though, could you double-check that site address for me please? Also a line of descriptive text to go with the site address is needed, look at the others on that page and you'll see what I need. http://www.oldengine.org/Commercial.htm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From guitronics at comcast.net Sun Mar 20 02:52:56 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 05:52:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <423D5608.6080206@comcast.net> @ $250.00 a pop, 'tis a lot of multiple ratchets.Ouch! Listerdiesel wrote: >On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:33:39 -0500, Skip Cleveland > wrote: > > >>Sounds good. >>Here is an interesting tool that we are trying to list, >>www.thedismantler.com >>There is an interesting vidio showing it being used on a steam traction >>engine. >>I have had this guy as a guest at our house and have one of his tools and it >>does work. >>He is an inventors inventor all right.:-) >> >> > >Hi again, Skip: > >I've put it in the Commercial Links page for now, Jim has OK'd that for you. > >The site link isn't working though, could you double-check that site >address for me please? > >Also a line of descriptive text to go with the site address is needed, >look at the others on that page and you'll see what I need. > >http://www.oldengine.org/Commercial.htm > >Peter > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Mar 20 03:23:24 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:23:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty><6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <423D5608.6080206@comcast.net> Message-ID: <008e01c52d40$601876a0$0301a8c0@Reg> As far as it goes with me, If I were to buy that, it would be a novelty for a short time but would NEVER earn the initial cost! There are/ were lots of 'tools' that fall into that catagory! In my shop, I have a FEW tools that sit there waiting for the time they are needed. They DO get used now and then, and there is nothing else will do that particular job. Thats why they are here! The knack is to be able to choose those tools from the wonderful array available. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "guitronics" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > @ $250.00 a pop, 'tis a lot of multiple ratchets.Ouch! > > Listerdiesel wrote: > > >On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:33:39 -0500, Skip Cleveland > > wrote: > > > > > >>Sounds good. > >>Here is an interesting tool that we are trying to list, > >>www.thedismantler.com > >>There is an interesting vidio showing it being used on a steam traction > >>engine. > >>I have had this guy as a guest at our house and have one of his tools and it > >>does work. > >>He is an inventors inventor all right.:-) > >> > >> > > > >Hi again, Skip: > > > >I've put it in the Commercial Links page for now, Jim has OK'd that for you. > > > >The site link isn't working though, could you double-check that site > >address for me please? > > > >Also a line of descriptive text to go with the site address is needed, > >look at the others on that page and you'll see what I need. > > > >http://www.oldengine.org/Commercial.htm > > > >Peter > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Mar 20 03:36:41 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:36:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stover Duro info Message-ID: <032020051136.6707.423D6048000E719300001A3321979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Don, Thanks for the fast response. In the process of possible buying one, I hope. Does yours have serial number on it? If so where did you locate the actual number on the engine. Trying to get the old coot who has it to look for a serialnumber for me. As I am trying to determine its age,etc. If you have a number on yours please give it to me and I will research it in our Stover orginal sales records at club museum for you. No charge for this service, just part of my hobby. If you could take a few pics for me, the one I am looking at is missing a few parts. regards, Curt Andree > Hi curt > I got one of those little devils but am in the same boat as you...I did get > it to run after a lot of false starts fun little engine > Don in Ohio > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "SEL Lists" > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 6:40 AM > Subject: [SEL] Stover Duro info > > > > Hi All, > > Looking for Stover Duro owners. Need some info on the serial numbers. > > thankyou in advance, > > Curt Andree > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Mar 20 03:43:02 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:43:02 +0000 Subject: FW: [SEL] Stover Duro info Message-ID: <032020051143.8196.423D61C5000DD10E0000200421979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> ---------------------- Forwarded Message: --------------------- From: cgandree at mchsi.com To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL Lists) Subject: [SEL] Stover Duro info Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:12:51 +0000 Hi All, Looking for Stover Duro owners. Need some info on the serial numbers. thankyou in advance, Curt Andree _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Mar 20 06:16:56 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:16:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine Message-ID: Howdy all; Have uploaded Jimmy O'Hagan's pictures of this engine he'd like identified. Looks like he needs a rocker arm also..aarrghh!! You can view at: http://community.webshots.com/album/299727133djvuEy I'm sure he would appreciate any help. Have a good'un RickinMt. From don.h at wcoil.com Sun Mar 20 06:39:21 2005 From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:39:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover Duro info References: <032020051136.6707.423D6048000E719300001A3321979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000e01c52d5a$9b52f960$6400a8c0@shuttle> If it wrms up a little Ill drive out to the storage building and get a few pic s for you with the number..The littlr devill had me baffeled for yrs trying to get it to run mine has a mag on it ( wrong one) but a good friend of mine took it apart and it now will run for a while he had to make a new carb jet ( out of a old welding tip from his wire welder) amoung a lot of little things but he has it starting on the second twist of the fly wheels) He,s a expert at makeing things run and start on the 2nd pull..he says the first pull is to choke and the second is to run Everthing he has does this!!! Ill get you pics and stuff soon as the dept of the interior ie: War dept lets me out with this darn cold Don in cold Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover Duro info > Hi Don, > Thanks for the fast response. In the process of possible buying one, I > hope. > Does yours have serial number on it? If so where did you locate the > actual > number on the engine. Trying to get the old coot who has it to look for a > serialnumber for me. As I am trying to determine its age,etc. If you > have a > number on yours please give it to me and I will research it in our Stover > orginal sales records at club museum for you. No charge for this service, > just part of my hobby. If you could take a few pics for me, the one I am > looking at is missing a few parts. > regards, > Curt Andree > > >> Hi curt >> I got one of those little devils but am in the same boat as you...I did >> get >> it to run after a lot of false starts fun little engine >> Don in Ohio >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "SEL Lists" >> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 6:40 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Stover Duro info >> >> >> > Hi All, >> > Looking for Stover Duro owners. Need some info on the serial numbers. >> > thankyou in advance, >> > Curt Andree >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 20 07:01:32 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:01:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <008e01c52d40$601876a0$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty><6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <423D5608.6080206@comcast.net> <008e01c52d40$601876a0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: G'day Reg, I've always looked at torque multipliers as being WONDERFUL tools for a mate to own. He invests and I borrow for that one occasion every ten years or so, when it is absolutely the right tool for the job. I used one (borrowed) when we took the Long Lake diesel engines apart. WONDERFUL tool. BTW, there are tool rental outfits that carry gadgets like this if you don't have a mate who owns one. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Reg Ingold wrote: > As far as it goes with me, If I were to buy that, it would be a novelty for > a short time but would NEVER earn the initial cost! > There are/ were lots of 'tools' that fall into that catagory! > > In my shop, I have a FEW tools that sit there waiting for the time they are > needed. They DO get used now and then, and there is nothing else will do > that particular job. > Thats why they are here! > The knack is to be able to choose those tools from the wonderful array > available. From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 20 09:46:59 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:46:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: CHA Dissinger Engines-Wrightsville PA Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050320124502.111f1528@mail.alltel.net> Can anyone help Craig? He is not on the List so you will need to contact him at: "Craig Rudisill" Dave >X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.208] >X-Originating-Email: [craigdavidrudisill at msn.com] >X-Sender: craigdavidrudisill at msn.com >From: "Craig Rudisill" >To: rotigel at alltel.net >Bcc: >Subject: CHA Dissinger Engines-Wrightsville PA >Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:08:20 -0500 >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2005 05:08:20.0393 (UTC) >FILETIME=[AB093190:01C52C41] > >Good Day Mr. Rotigel, > >Recently I've been tracking down information on the CHA Dissinger Company >out of Wrightsville PA. >I am also trying to locate any existing engines made by this company. >I came across your email address from a search I performed looking online >in an article about gas engines made in PA. I hope you don't mind me >writing you. You have a great page. Your engines are beautiful. >Can you recommend any resources I might use in better tracking down an >existing engine? >My great-grandfather made these engines and the family history about the >shop is intriguing. > >Any help you can offer me is greatly appreciated. >Sincerely, >Craig Rudisill > From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Mar 20 10:03:46 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:03:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine Message-ID: <20050320.100347.1220.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> With a little imagination someone should be able to read the name in this shot. http://community.webshots.com/photo/299729353/299729353ewTESH Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:16:56 -0700 "Richard Strobel" writes: > Howdy all; > Have uploaded Jimmy O'Hagan's pictures of this engine he'd like > identified. Looks like he needs a rocker arm also..aarrghh!! > > You can view at: > > http://community.webshots.com/album/299727133djvuEy > > I'm sure he would appreciate any help. > > Have a good'un > RickinMt. From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Mar 20 11:38:23 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:38:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine In-Reply-To: <20050320.100347.1220.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20050320.100347.1220.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <212ff823ff7685f3793dac4d0470b9eb@chartertn.net> Handy Man. On Mar 20, 2005, at 1:03 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > With a little imagination someone should be able to read the name in > this shot. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/299729353/299729353ewTESH John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sun Mar 20 11:43:52 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:43:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> How about this. A secure e-commerce website that offers for sale, innovative mechanics tools and equipment. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:33:39 -0500, Skip Cleveland > wrote: >> Sounds good. >> Here is an interesting tool that we are trying to list, >> www.thedismantler.com >> There is an interesting vidio showing it being used on a steam traction >> engine. >> I have had this guy as a guest at our house and have one of his tools and >> it >> does work. >> He is an inventors inventor all right.:-) > > Hi again, Skip: > > I've put it in the Commercial Links page for now, Jim has OK'd that for > you. > > The site link isn't working though, could you double-check that site > address for me please? > > Also a line of descriptive text to go with the site address is needed, > look at the others on that page and you'll see what I need. > > http://www.oldengine.org/Commercial.htm > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sun Mar 20 12:04:34 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:04:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004f01c52d88$09684e00$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> I think I should mention that we ship only to customers in the USA. Betty says that is in the site but it should be mentioned. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:33:39 -0500, Skip Cleveland > wrote: >> Sounds good. >> Here is an interesting tool that we are trying to list, >> www.thedismantler.com >> There is an interesting vidio showing it being used on a steam traction >> engine. >> I have had this guy as a guest at our house and have one of his tools and >> it >> does work. >> He is an inventors inventor all right.:-) > > Hi again, Skip: > > I've put it in the Commercial Links page for now, Jim has OK'd that for > you. > > The site link isn't working though, could you double-check that site > address for me please? > > Also a line of descriptive text to go with the site address is needed, > look at the others on that page and you'll see what I need. > > http://www.oldengine.org/Commercial.htm > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 20 12:20:17 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:20:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Tom Dunlap Message-ID: <00f401c52d8a$4034b520$230110ac@PAUL> Folks I am trying desperately to find Tom Dunlap. He purchased a copy of one of my 1911 Stover Reprint Manuals and paid for it by PayPal but he has never sent me an address so I can mail his book to him. I have sent him (3) e-mails requesting his mailing information and so far I have not received an answer to any of them. I would like to be able to mail the man's book to him, he has paid for it and should have it but without a mailing address I am stuck. Does anyone know Tom, if so can you send me his mailing address. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Paul From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sun Mar 20 12:23:24 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:23:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <423D5608.6080206@comcast.net> <008e01c52d40$601876a0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <007901c52d8a$ab4d8c10$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Arnie, that post about a tool web site was supposed to be off line or whatever. I have a reply button and a reply to all button and I know I hit the right one but things happen.The damn thing is expensive though it is made in the USA. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > G'day Reg, > > I've always looked at torque multipliers as being WONDERFUL tools for a > mate to own. He invests and I borrow for that one occasion every ten > years or so, when it is absolutely the right tool for the job. I used one > (borrowed) when we took the Long Lake diesel engines apart. WONDERFUL > tool. BTW, there are tool rental outfits that carry gadgets like this if > you don't have a mate who owns one. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Reg Ingold wrote: > >> As far as it goes with me, If I were to buy that, it would be a novelty >> for >> a short time but would NEVER earn the initial cost! >> There are/ were lots of 'tools' that fall into that catagory! >> >> In my shop, I have a FEW tools that sit there waiting for the time they >> are >> needed. They DO get used now and then, and there is nothing else will do >> that particular job. >> Thats why they are here! >> The knack is to be able to choose those tools from the wonderful array >> available. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 12:27:02 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:27:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Message-ID: <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:43:52 -0500, Skip Cleveland wrote: > How about this. > A secure e-commerce website that offers for sale, innovative mechanics > tools and equipment. > > Skip OK, have a look at it. I have added a bit of punctuation but apart from that it is as you suggested. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 12:28:19 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:28:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine In-Reply-To: <212ff823ff7685f3793dac4d0470b9eb@chartertn.net> References: <20050320.100347.1220.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <212ff823ff7685f3793dac4d0470b9eb@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <6f602516050320122879963a21@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:38:23 -0500, John Culp wrote: > Handy Man. > > On Mar 20, 2005, at 1:03 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > > > With a little imagination someone should be able to read the name in > > this shot. > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/299729353/299729353ewTESH > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA Looks like "Dairy Maid" to me... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 12:35:02 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:35:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <004f01c52d88$09684e00$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004f01c52d88$09684e00$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Message-ID: <6f6025160503201235576dd605@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:04:34 -0500, Skip Cleveland wrote: > I think I should mention that we ship only to customers in the USA. Betty > says that is in the site but it should be mentioned. > > Skip That's not a problem, anyone wanting to buy would have to go through the site, and as it is based in the USA most folks would reason that overseas shipping might be a problem. It's the odd 1% who can't fugure that out you'll have to worry about! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sun Mar 20 14:04:21 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:04:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004f01c52d88$09684e00$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201235576dd605@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00de01c52d98$c57427d0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Thanks again for all your effort. Skip & Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:04:34 -0500, Skip Cleveland > wrote: >> I think I should mention that we ship only to customers in the USA. Betty >> says that is in the site but it should be mentioned. >> >> Skip > > That's not a problem, anyone wanting to buy would have to go through > the site, and as it is based in the USA most folks would reason that > overseas shipping might be a problem. > > It's the odd 1% who can't fugure that out you'll have to worry about! > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > > From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sun Mar 20 14:35:07 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:35:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> It looks good . Doesn't go to my website. All I get is, this site is not available. This stuff is not easy is it? Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:43:52 -0500, Skip Cleveland > wrote: >> How about this. >> A secure e-commerce website that offers for sale, innovative mechanics >> tools and equipment. >> >> Skip > > OK, have a look at it. I have added a bit of punctuation but apart > from that it is as you suggested. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sun Mar 20 14:46:36 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:46:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com><003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty><6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com><00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty><6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com><004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty><6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Message-ID: <000701c52d9e$ac4ac0b0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> I got the same error. John H. > It looks good . Doesn't go to my website. All I get is, this site is not > available. This stuff is not easy is it? > Skip /listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Mar 20 15:15:48 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:15:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine In-Reply-To: <6f602516050320122879963a21@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050320.100347.1220.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <212ff823ff7685f3793dac4d0470b9eb@chartertn.net> <6f602516050320122879963a21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <520be30ae15910c929fa2a61f2b2410a@chartertn.net> Could be Handy Maid. Don't think that top word is Dairy. John On Mar 20, 2005, at 3:28 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > Looks like "Dairy Maid" to me... John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 15:16:06 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:16:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Message-ID: <6f602516050320151664d60045@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:35:07 -0500, Skip Cleveland wrote: > It looks good . Doesn't go to my website. All I get is, this site is not > available. This stuff is not easy is it? > Skip Skip & John H: See my earlier post when I asked Skip to check the URL as I couldn't get it to work. That is the URL that Skip posted in his original request, and that one (in the original email) doesn't work either :-)) I can only use what I am given, guys! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Mar 20 15:47:03 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:47:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Message-ID: <20050320.184706.1328.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, Can someone tell me the dates for Portland, IN Gas Engine Show this year. August ??? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sun Mar 20 15:50:34 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:50:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <000701c52d9e$ac4ac0b0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <000801c52da7$9bc03320$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> John: See if you can get to my site using www.wizbangtools.com I can access the site but maybe no one else can. Thanks. Skip Ps. Betty is one of your fellow countrymen, she was borne in Rotterdam, her brother and family live in Ede. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org >I got the same error. > > John H. > > > >> It looks good . Doesn't go to my website. All I get is, this site is not >> available. This stuff is not easy is it? >> Skip > /listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > > From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sun Mar 20 15:53:07 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:53:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f602516050320151664d60045@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000d01c52da7$f7649680$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> http://www.wizbangtools.com http://wizbangtools.com Something in there should work.. Somebody fill me in here Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:35:07 -0500, Skip Cleveland > wrote: >> It looks good . Doesn't go to my website. All I get is, this site is not >> available. This stuff is not easy is it? >> Skip > > Skip & John H: > > See my earlier post when I asked Skip to check the URL as I couldn't > get it to work. > > That is the URL that Skip posted in his original request, and that one > (in the original email) doesn't work either :-)) > > I can only use what I am given, guys! > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Mar 20 15:56:35 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:56:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine References: <20050320.100347.1220.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><212ff823ff7685f3793dac4d0470b9eb@chartertn.net><6f602516050320122879963a21@mail.gmail.com> <520be30ae15910c929fa2a61f2b2410a@chartertn.net> Message-ID: Looks like Daisy Maid to me also, but hasn't Jimmy already say that. Think he just wants to know who maid (ouch) it. And I believe it was stated it's a Ward's engine...er Montgomery Wards ie. Whatcha say Jimmy? RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery Engine > Could be Handy Maid. Don't think that top word is Dairy. > > John > On Mar 20, 2005, at 3:28 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > Looks like "Dairy Maid" to me... > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 16:05:44 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 00:05:44 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine In-Reply-To: <520be30ae15910c929fa2a61f2b2410a@chartertn.net> References: <20050320.100347.1220.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <212ff823ff7685f3793dac4d0470b9eb@chartertn.net> <6f602516050320122879963a21@mail.gmail.com> <520be30ae15910c929fa2a61f2b2410a@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605032016054d815e@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:15:48 -0500, John Culp wrote: > Could be Handy Maid. Don't think that top word is Dairy. > > John > On Mar 20, 2005, at 3:28 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > Looks like "Dairy Maid" to me... > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA Handy doesn't look 'quite' right but nearer than Dairy. The stylised lettering doesn't help any! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 16:11:00 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 00:11:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: <20050320.184706.1328.0.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050320.184706.1328.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605032016116886c184@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:47:03 -0500, Joseph L Betz wrote: > Hi List, > > Can someone tell me the dates for Portland, IN Gas Engine Show this > year. > > August ??? > August 24th through 28th, at the Jay County Fairgrounds in Portland, Indiana Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Sun Mar 20 16:35:18 2005 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:35:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland References: <20050320.184706.1328.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <006501c52dad$dba14aa0$4fc77040@user> Give this a try http://my.voyager.net/~vinsond/portland.html Paul Russell Riga, Michigan hit_n_miss at tc3net.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 6:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland Hi List, Can someone tell me the dates for Portland, IN Gas Engine Show this year. August ??? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Mar 20 16:37:34 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:37:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine In-Reply-To: <6f60251605032016054d815e@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050320.100347.1220.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <212ff823ff7685f3793dac4d0470b9eb@chartertn.net> <6f602516050320122879963a21@mail.gmail.com> <520be30ae15910c929fa2a61f2b2410a@chartertn.net> <6f60251605032016054d815e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Handy doesn't look 'quite' right but nearer than Dairy. The stylised > lettering doesn't help any! Maybe it's Hairy Maid. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Mar 20 16:54:39 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:54:39 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503210054.j2L0sgnu074596@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi, First,Thanks for the replies. It does have DAIRY MAID painted on the hopper. Rick sent me a cut from a Montgomery Ward cat. With Dairy Maid engines in it. There are pictures of both AC. And Hopper cooled. They just don't look like the pictures . The "Neward" is a closer match to the "mistory" engine. Thanks again, Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:57 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery Engine Looks like Daisy Maid to me also, but hasn't Jimmy already say that. Think he just wants to know who maid (ouch) it. And I believe it was stated it's a Ward's engine...er Montgomery Wards ie. Whatcha say Jimmy? RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery Engine > Could be Handy Maid. Don't think that top word is Dairy. > > John > On Mar 20, 2005, at 3:28 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > Looks like "Dairy Maid" to me... > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rwenig at telus.net Sun Mar 20 17:08:57 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:08:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <000d01c52da7$f7649680$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f602516050320151664d60045@mail.gmail.com> <000d01c52da7$f7649680$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Message-ID: <423E1EA9.6020303@telus.net> Hello Skip, Both url's work for me using firefox. Rupert Skip Cleveland wrote: > http://www.wizbangtools.com > http://wizbangtools.com > > Something in there should work.. > Somebody fill me in here > From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 20 17:20:52 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:20:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <6f602516050320151664d60045@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f602516050320151664d60045@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050320202008.11205648@mail.alltel.net> >I can only use what I am given, guys! > >Peter That's a DAMN POOR excuse if I ever heard one! Dave From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Mar 20 17:23:49 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:23:49 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Dairy Maid Engine Message-ID: <200503210123.j2L1Nqtu080736@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Going on the premise that this Dairy Maid was sold by Montgomery Wards, Who manufactured engines for MW,? Stickney and Jacobson are two. There were probably others. Waterloo is mentioned in Wendel's BYB as a possible candidate. I'm hoping some one has a picture of one somewhere with a known history. Thanks ,Jimmy O' Jim O'Hagan From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Mar 20 17:40:58 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:40:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <6f602516050320151664d60045@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f602516050320151664d60045@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <423E262A.2000604@earthlink.net> Peter, Here is the link I got to work for what it's worth. http://www.wizbangtools.com/ Not impressed with the site or the crap they sell. Sorry, I meant to say CRAP!! Good grief, does this link even belong on Jim's server? I don't think so. Jeff Allen Listerdiesel wrote: >On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:35:07 -0500, Skip Cleveland > wrote: > > >>It looks good . Doesn't go to my website. All I get is, this site is not >>available. This stuff is not easy is it? >>Skip >> >> > >Skip & John H: > >See my earlier post when I asked Skip to check the URL as I couldn't >get it to work. > >That is the URL that Skip posted in his original request, and that one >(in the original email) doesn't work either :-)) > >I can only use what I am given, guys! > >Peter > > From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sun Mar 20 18:17:49 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:17:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f602516050320151664d60045@mail.gmail.com> <000d01c52da7$f7649680$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <423E1EA9.6020303@telus.net> Message-ID: <006601c52dbc$2dfaa630$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> I have applied to a number of sites for a link to my site and uaed the www.wizbangtools.com address and it was rejected. I tried the http:// wizbangtools.com URL and it worked. Go figgure Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rupert Wenig" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > Hello Skip, > Both url's work for me using firefox. > > Rupert > > Skip Cleveland wrote: > >> http://www.wizbangtools.com >> http://wizbangtools.com >> >> Something in there should work.. >> Somebody fill me in here >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Sun Mar 20 18:24:35 2005 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:24:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Tom Dunlap References: <00f401c52d8a$4034b520$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <001501c52dbd$20c557c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> Here I am... i have responded several times ..i guess ebay doesnt always get it right.. Tom Dunlap 9308 Goldenrod San Antonio, Texas 78266 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:20 PM Subject: [SEL] Looking for Tom Dunlap Folks I am trying desperately to find Tom Dunlap. He purchased a copy of one of my 1911 Stover Reprint Manuals and paid for it by PayPal but he has never sent me an address so I can mail his book to him. I have sent him (3) e-mails requesting his mailing information and so far I have not received an answer to any of them. I would like to be able to mail the man's book to him, he has paid for it and should have it but without a mailing address I am stuck. Does anyone know Tom, if so can you send me his mailing address. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sun Mar 20 19:04:40 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:04:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f602516050320151664d60045@mail.gmail.com> <423E262A.2000604@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <007701c52dc2$b95aad00$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> How do you really feel? Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > Peter, > > Here is the link I got to work for what it's worth. > http://www.wizbangtools.com/ > > Not impressed with the site or the crap they sell. Sorry, I meant to say > CRAP!! Good grief, does this link even belong on Jim's server? I don't > think so. > > Jeff Allen > > Listerdiesel wrote: > >>On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:35:07 -0500, Skip Cleveland >> wrote: >> >>>It looks good . Doesn't go to my website. All I get is, this site is not >>>available. This stuff is not easy is it? >>>Skip >>> >> >>Skip & John H: >> >>See my earlier post when I asked Skip to check the URL as I couldn't >>get it to work. >> >>That is the URL that Skip posted in his original request, and that one >>(in the original email) doesn't work either :-)) >> >>I can only use what I am given, guys! >> >>Peter >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Mar 20 20:56:39 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:56:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org Message-ID: <20050321.001011.572.0.jlb94@juno.com> www.wizbangtools.com Worked fine for me. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Mar 20 21:10:11 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 00:10:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Message-ID: <20050321.001011.572.1.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks Paul and Peter I tried accessing their site but I got a "The Page Cannot Be Found" message. I no sooner sent the e-mail and then looked in the April GEM and found it. August 24th - 28th. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 22:50:50 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 06:50:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <000801c52da7$9bc03320$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <000701c52d9e$ac4ac0b0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <000801c52da7$9bc03320$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Message-ID: <6f602516050320225038113d64@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:50:34 -0500, Skip Cleveland wrote: > John: See if you can get to my site using > www.wizbangtools.com > I can access the site but maybe no one else can. > > Thanks. > Skip Skip: Here is the the text from your first email: "Do you suppose that I could put a link to my e-commerce website on your links page? www.wizbzngtools.com We are just getting it started and don't have many items for sale. We are looking for more items to list. We want to sell tools for everything not just mechanics tools. Thanks Skip & Betty Cleveland" Note that the url you provided then has a spelling mistake, while the url you have provided now has been corrected by you. THAT is why is didn't work originally. I'll correct the listing before I go to work. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 23:15:08 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:15:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050320202008.11205648@mail.alltel.net> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f602516050320151664d60045@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050320202008.11205648@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f602516050320231524646b2d@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:20:52 -0500, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > >I can only use what I am given, guys! > > > >Peter > > That's a DAMN POOR excuse if I ever heard one! > Dave Well, what do you expect at nearly midnight!! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 23:19:40 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:19:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org In-Reply-To: <423E262A.2000604@earthlink.net> References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f602516050320151664d60045@mail.gmail.com> <423E262A.2000604@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605032023192019acf9@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:40:58 -0700, Jeff Allen wrote: > Peter, > > Here is the link I got to work for what it's worth. > http://www.wizbangtools.com/ > > Not impressed with the site or the crap they sell. Sorry, I meant to say > CRAP!! Good grief, does this link even belong on Jim's server? I don't > think so. > > Jeff Allen Jim is the final arbiter on what goes on his site, Jeff, and he has given the go-ahead for Skip's site to be listed there. Whatever our personal thoughts may be, it behoves us all to remember the old saying:- "If you can't say anything good, say nothing at all" Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Mar 21 00:25:25 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:25:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland References: <20050320.184706.1328.0.jlb94@juno.com> <6f60251605032016116886c184@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <423E84F5.C6D38052@insulate.co.uk> Next Portland question - can anyone find the official Portland Show website? I like to put a link to it on my home page, but the one I've been using doesn't work any more: http://www.adamswells.com/~tristate/ Dolly Listerdiesel wrote: > > August 24th through 28th, at the Jay County Fairgrounds in Portland, Indiana > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From wmrohrer at myactv.net Mon Mar 21 02:28:12 2005 From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:28:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) Message-ID: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I have a questions about people bringing their dogs to the shows. Do you let them or ask them to leave them at home? We have around 25,000 people per day coming to our show. We have notice that in the last few years people have been bringing their dogs to the show. We have not had anyone bitten, but have had a few dog fights. The biggest problem is that when the dogs take a dump, the owner never stops or tries to clean it up. What do you do? What do you folks think? Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, Maryland USA Collector of Antique Farm Literature Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 02:48:16 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:48:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: <423E84F5.C6D38052@insulate.co.uk> References: <20050320.184706.1328.0.jlb94@juno.com> <6f60251605032016116886c184@mail.gmail.com> <423E84F5.C6D38052@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <6f602516050321024845b2c58f@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:25:25 +0000, Jim French wrote: > Next Portland question - can anyone find the official Portland Show website? I > like to put a link to it on my home page, but the one I've been using doesn't > work any more: > http://www.adamswells.com/~tristate/ > > Dolly I had the site bookmarked, but AdamsWells has seemingly not done the hosting this year, and there are dozens of web references to that site (which is still running BTW) which are broken now. I can't find any recent site for the club itself either. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 21 02:59:21 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:59:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg> I have been taking Jessie to shows for most of her life. Always well behaved and always ready with a stick for some kid to have a game. I always cleaned up on the odd occasion theat nature called. Always well received by the exhibitors and public. Always ready to give me instant obedience. At our last club rally, some prick put in a complaint about me having an unrestrained dog at the show! (In a 'public place) Yup! he was out to get at me any way he could. Sad, pathetic creature that he is! So, Jessie stays home now for this event. Funny thing is that I feel very much like doing the same. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Rohrer" To: "Engine list " Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:28 PM Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) > I have a questions about people bringing their dogs to the shows. Do you let > them or ask them to leave them at home? We have around 25,000 people per day > coming to our show. We have notice that in the last few years people have > been bringing their dogs to the show. We have not had anyone bitten, but > have had a few dog fights. The biggest problem is that when the dogs take a > dump, the owner never stops or tries to clean it up. What do you do? > > What do you folks think? > > > > > > Mike Rohrer > > Smithsburg, Maryland USA > > Collector of Antique Farm Literature > > Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ------------------------------ > > If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! > > Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Mar 21 04:29:47 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:29:47 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stover Duro info Message-ID: <032120051229.6662.423EBE3B0008E58700001A0621979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Don, will wait to hear from you again. Curt > If it wrms up a little Ill drive out to the storage building and get a few > pic s for you with the number..The littlr devill had me baffeled for yrs > trying to get it to run mine has a mag on it ( wrong one) but a good friend > of mine took it apart and it now will run for a while he had to make a new > carb jet ( out of a old welding tip from his wire welder) amoung a lot of > little things but he has it starting on the second twist of the fly wheels) > He,s a expert at makeing things run and start on the 2nd pull..he says the > first pull is to choke and the second is to run Everthing he has does > this!!! > Ill get you pics and stuff soon as the dept of the interior ie: War dept > lets me out with this darn cold > Don in cold Ohio > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 6:36 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover Duro info > > > > Hi Don, > > Thanks for the fast response. In the process of possible buying one, I > > hope. > > Does yours have serial number on it? If so where did you locate the > > actual > > number on the engine. Trying to get the old coot who has it to look for a > > serialnumber for me. As I am trying to determine its age,etc. If you > > have a > > number on yours please give it to me and I will research it in our Stover > > orginal sales records at club museum for you. No charge for this service, > > just part of my hobby. If you could take a few pics for me, the one I am > > looking at is missing a few parts. > > regards, > > Curt Andree > > > > > >> Hi curt > >> I got one of those little devils but am in the same boat as you...I did > >> get > >> it to run after a lot of false starts fun little engine > >> Don in Ohio > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: "SEL Lists" > >> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 6:40 AM > >> Subject: [SEL] Stover Duro info > >> > >> > >> > Hi All, > >> > Looking for Stover Duro owners. Need some info on the serial numbers. > >> > thankyou in advance, > >> > Curt Andree > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Mar 21 04:34:42 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:34:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Old Nuts Message-ID: Hi Everybody, There was a discussion a while back about which way to put on the old nuts when Curt Holland was putting together his Hercules buzz rig cart. I saw this from a different list and thought I'd pass it along. I also could scan a page from an old John Deere GP manual that also shows the flat side of the nut going toward the material being fastened or the head of the bolt. Thought some of you would be interested to know............ http://public.fotki.com/deanvp/tractor_plows/jd-1/plow_bolts/oliverboltheads.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From marvhed at ecenet.com Mon Mar 21 05:07:28 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:07:28 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Old Nuts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15197.199.62.0.252.1111410448.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> careful when talking about old nuts on this site!! there are more of us than you might care to know about :-)) marv in minn > Hi Everybody, > > There was a discussion a while back about which way to put on the old nuts > when Curt Holland was putting together his Hercules buzz rig cart. I saw > this from a different list and thought I'd pass it along. I also could > scan > a page from an old John Deere GP manual that also shows the flat side of > the > nut going toward the material being fastened or the head of the bolt. > Thought some of you would be interested to know............ > > http://public.fotki.com/deanvp/tractor_plows/jd-1/plow_bolts/oliverboltheads.html > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Mar 21 06:52:45 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 06:52:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Old Nuts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55310.165.206.180.118.1111416765.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Careful, Luke - I nearly responded based on my belief that the subject meant a discussion on Dave, etc. Bill > Hi Everybody, > > There was a discussion a while back about which way to put on the old nuts > when Curt Holland was putting together his Hercules buzz rig cart. I saw > this from a different list and thought I'd pass it along. I also could > scan > a page from an old John Deere GP manual that also shows the flat side of > the > nut going toward the material being fastened or the head of the bolt. > Thought some of you would be interested to know............ > > http://public.fotki.com/deanvp/tractor_plows/jd-1/plow_bolts/oliverboltheads.html > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu Mon Mar 21 08:31:58 2005 From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:31:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dairy Maid Engine Message-ID: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9DC@email05.bsu.edu> Jim, I have a picture of a 1 3/4HP (1911) Dairy Maid engine (aircooled) posted on my website, go to http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker/shows/portland-03/dairymaid1&3quarterhp1911.jpg I took this photograph at the Portland 2003 Show. I don't have any other information. Maybe this will be of some assistance/interest. Don Siefker 28 Miles SW of Portland, IN ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Sun 3/20/2005 8:23 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] Dairy Maid Engine Going on the premise that this Dairy Maid was sold by Montgomery Wards, Who manufactured engines for MW,? Stickney and Jacobson are two. There were probably others. Waterloo is mentioned in Wendel's BYB as a possible candidate. I'm hoping some one has a picture of one somewhere with a known history. Thanks ,Jimmy O' Jim O'Hagan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 21 08:35:45 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:35:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) Message-ID: <20050321.114329.828.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Mike, I have been taking Hunska (aka Honey) to shows for as long as I can remember. She has always been well behaved and I usually put her on a leash when I walk around the show site or get close to a kitchen area. At my station, she usually stays within the area. People have always been receptive to her as she is well behaved and not overly friendly. But, if you're eating a berger, she'll sit there and stare you to death. Any dog that won't listen and stay by the owner should not be allowed to run. Dog fights will happen - but usually because of human interference. Dog waste MUST be cleaned up by the owner - No if's, and's or but's. Usually, Hunska will need to do her business as soon as we park so I take her to the woods - first thing. I like to see dogs at shows - but I love dogs. I feel sorry for a dog that is on a leash of a "spectator" and is being lead around the grounds obviously not enjoying itself. If a person can't / won't control the dog - and the dog obviously don't want to be there - Leave it home. There are shows that do not allow any pets. I won't boycot a show because of it - but - That show won't be on top of my list. Thanks for the opportunity. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 21 08:10:10 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:10:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Message-ID: <20050321.114329.828.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Dolly, I tried this adamswell but got "The Page Cannot Be Found. The best results I've had are by asking Google.com but everything is past years. What I DID find seems to be from other people's sites. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:25:25 +0000 Jim French writes: > Next Portland question - can anyone find the official Portland Show > website? I > like to put a link to it on my home page, but the one I've been > using doesn't > work any more: > http://www.adamswells.com/tristate/ > > Dolly > > From BillMil357 at aol.com Mon Mar 21 09:31:01 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:31:01 EST Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. Message-ID: <62.5137779d.2f705ed5@aol.com> Hey Men, I was mounting a seat on a 1972 Cub Cadet Lawn tractor that I am restoring and a fellow gave me four 5/16 in. bolts to mount it , three of the bolts were fine but the other one I could not get the nut started, checked closer and I could not see a taper of the threads on the end for a left hand or right hand thread, I took one of the other bolts and put my thumb nail in the second thread from the end and turned the bolt to the right and my nail moved right up toward the head of the bolt, I did the same thing to the other bolt and my nail never move, it stayed in the same place on the bolt, turning it to the right of the left, so this bolt just had grooves cut into it straight around the bolt and not connected to the next groove, has anyone ever seen one if so what in the world are they for, it would mesh right in one of the other bolts same amount of grooves per inch. In my 76 years on this earth I have never seen anything like it, someone give me some info. on this it bugs me Ha Ha. I bet you people thought I was gone but I browse on here every day. Thanks, Bill Miller. Memphis, TN. From nick at holden1.net Mon Mar 21 12:25:28 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:25:28 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. References: <62.5137779d.2f705ed5@aol.com> Message-ID: <423F2DB8.000001.00412@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi bill i have seen bolts with no thread on them straight out of the box i think it just happens when they are making them something goes wrong i have also seen nuts with no thread in Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4284455&a=31644863&f= -------Original Message------- From: BillMil357 at aol.com Date: 03/21/05 17:47:44 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. Hey Men, I was mounting a seat on a 1972 Cub Cadet Lawn tractor that I am restoring and a fellow gave me four 5/16 in. bolts to mount it , three of the bolts were fine but the other one I could not get the nut started, checked closer and I could not see a taper of the threads on the end for a left hand or right hand thread, I took one of the other bolts and put my thumb nail in the second thread from the end and turned the bolt to the right and my nail moved right up toward the head of the bolt, I did the same thing to the other bolt and my nail never move, it stayed in the same place on the bolt, turning it to the right of the left, so this bolt just had grooves cut into it straight around the bolt and not connected to the next groove, has anyone ever seen one if so what in the world are they for, it would mesh right in one of the other bolts same amount of grooves per inch. In my 76 years on this earth I have never seen anything like it, someone give me some info. on this it bugs me Ha Ha. I bet you people thought I was gone but I browse on here every day. Thanks, Bill Miller. Memphis, TN. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Mar 21 11:10:59 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:10:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. References: <62.5137779d.2f705ed5@aol.com> Message-ID: <00bd01c52e57$a626f2d0$23d40304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Bill, The bolt you have is one that for some reason did not advance as it went through the thread rolling machine. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. > Hey Men, I was mounting a seat on a 1972 Cub Cadet Lawn tractor that I am > restoring and a fellow gave me four 5/16 in. bolts to mount it , three of > the > bolts were fine but the other one I could not get the nut started, checked > closer and I could not see a taper of the threads on the end for a left > hand or > right hand thread, I took one of the other bolts and put my thumb nail in > the > second thread from the end and turned the bolt to the right and my nail > moved > right up toward the head of the bolt, I did the same thing to the other > bolt > and my nail never move, it stayed in the same place on the bolt, turning > it > to the right of the left, so this bolt just had grooves cut into it > straight > around the bolt and not connected to the next groove, has anyone ever seen > one if so what in the world are they for, it would mesh right in one of > the > other bolts same amount of grooves per inch. In my 76 years on this earth > I have > never seen anything like it, someone give me some info. on this it bugs > me > Ha Ha. I bet you people thought I was gone but I browse on here every > day. > Thanks, > Bill Miller. > Memphis, TN. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bboyce at swat.coop Mon Mar 21 13:38:14 2005 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:38:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt/gun barrel References: <62.5137779d.2f705ed5@aol.com> <00bd01c52e57$a626f2d0$23d40304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <000a01c52e5e$4a6e18e0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> bill,, thats almost as weird as a gun barrel i bought once,,, i had ordered a heavy barrel/target upper for AR15 once,, glanced down the barrell to see if could see light, mounted the scope , hurridly ran a swab thru it once to clean out any dirt from shipping, mounted it on the lower and went shooting,,, couldnt get anything on a 2 foot square target at 100 yards, moved up to about 25 yards and bullet holes were all over the sheet, going in sideways even,,,,,, it was then that i took a close look down the barrel, and could find NO riflings,,,,,, had a hard time convincing the builder when i called him to return it,,, he said he'd NEVER had that happen before,,,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. > Hi Bill, > > The bolt you have is one that for some reason did not advance as it went > through the thread rolling machine. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:31 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. > > >> Hey Men, I was mounting a seat on a 1972 Cub Cadet Lawn tractor that I am >> restoring and a fellow gave me four 5/16 in. bolts to mount it , three of >> the >> bolts were fine but the other one I could not get the nut started, >> checked >> closer and I could not see a taper of the threads on the end for a left >> hand or >> right hand thread, I took one of the other bolts and put my thumb nail in >> the >> second thread from the end and turned the bolt to the right and my nail >> moved >> right up toward the head of the bolt, I did the same thing to the other >> bolt >> and my nail never move, it stayed in the same place on the bolt, turning >> it >> to the right of the left, so this bolt just had grooves cut into it >> straight >> around the bolt and not connected to the next groove, has anyone ever >> seen >> one if so what in the world are they for, it would mesh right in one of >> the >> other bolts same amount of grooves per inch. In my 76 years on this >> earth I have >> never seen anything like it, someone give me some info. on this it bugs >> me >> Ha Ha. I bet you people thought I was gone but I browse on here every >> day. >> Thanks, >> Bill Miller. >> Memphis, TN. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Mar 21 01:25:19 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:25:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland References: <20050320.184706.1328.0.jlb94@juno.com><6f60251605032016116886c184@mail.gmail.com> <423E84F5.C6D38052@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <000b01c52df7$e66e5690$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> I tried them all Helen, the site is out of cyber space at the moment. Have a nice day, John H. > Next Portland question - can anyone find the official Portland Show website? I > like to put a link to it on my home page, but the one I've been using doesn't > work any more: > http://www.adamswells.com/~tristate/ > > Dolly engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Mar 21 13:40:05 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:40:05 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com><003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty><6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com><00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty><6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com><004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty><6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com><010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty><000701c52d9e$ac4ac0b0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <000801c52da7$9bc03320$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Message-ID: <001501c52e5e$8b9f65d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Skip, I got it loud and clear. The only thing I would say is, the pictures are a little small to see the item well. Good oppertunity for Betty to visit her family the end of July, while you visit the HMT show in Panningen :o)) Regards, John H. > John: See if you can get to my site using > www.wizbangtools.com > I can access the site but maybe no one else can. > > Thanks. > Skip > Ps. Betty is one of your fellow countrymen, she was borne in Rotterdam, her > brother and family live in Ede. From wmrohrer at myactv.net Mon Mar 21 14:14:45 2005 From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:14:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) In-Reply-To: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200503212216.j2LMG7eK094108@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Let me add this: We have no problem with exhibitors having their pets of any kind at our show. This is because you all know how to take care of them and they are around lots of people. I have a problem with the public bringing them. Most don't get out with this many people around them. Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, Maryland USA Collector of Antique Farm Literature Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Rohrer Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 5:28 AM To: Engine list Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) I have a questions about people bringing their dogs to the shows. Do you let them or ask them to leave them at home? We have around 25,000 people per day coming to our show. We have notice that in the last few years people have been bringing their dogs to the show. We have not had anyone bitten, but have had a few dog fights. The biggest problem is that when the dogs take a dump, the owner never stops or tries to clean it up. What do you do? What do you folks think? Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, Maryland USA Collector of Antique Farm Literature Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rexhinz at chorus.net Mon Mar 21 14:45:54 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:45:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. References: <62.5137779d.2f705ed5@aol.com> Message-ID: <002b01c52e67$bfd4f140$6286a5d8@mycomputer> BILL ; Someone may have mixed in a huck bolt , a huck bolt has only groves and the nut of a huck bolt has no threads , it slids over the bolt while being pulled to the right tourqe then the nut is compressed or squashed down till it is mashed into the grooves of the bolt , most all trucks use this method today , they look like a regular bolt otherwise, they are proabbly made at the same factory as the regular bolts and may have got mixed , just a thought Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. > Hey Men, I was mounting a seat on a 1972 Cub Cadet Lawn tractor that I am > restoring and a fellow gave me four 5/16 in. bolts to mount it , three of the > bolts were fine but the other one I could not get the nut started, checked > closer and I could not see a taper of the threads on the end for a left hand or > right hand thread, I took one of the other bolts and put my thumb nail in the > second thread from the end and turned the bolt to the right and my nail moved > right up toward the head of the bolt, I did the same thing to the other bolt > and my nail never move, it stayed in the same place on the bolt, turning it > to the right of the left, so this bolt just had grooves cut into it straight > around the bolt and not connected to the next groove, has anyone ever seen > one if so what in the world are they for, it would mesh right in one of the > other bolts same amount of grooves per inch. In my 76 years on this earth I have > never seen anything like it, someone give me some info. on this it bugs me > Ha Ha. I bet you people thought I was gone but I browse on here every day. > Thanks, > Bill Miller. > Memphis, TN. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Mar 21 15:25:13 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:25:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. In-Reply-To: <002b01c52e67$bfd4f140$6286a5d8@mycomputer> References: <62.5137779d.2f705ed5@aol.com> <002b01c52e67$bfd4f140$6286a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: Hi Rex, Huh, never heard of those Huck bolts before. They're like a Godzilla size pop-rivet! There's quite a range of sizes & styles. Thanks for "something new." See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Rex Hinz wrote: > Someone may have mixed in a huck bolt , a huck bolt has only groves and > the nut of a huck bolt has no threads , it slids over the bolt while being > pulled to the right tourqe then the nut is compressed or squashed down till > it is mashed into the grooves of the bolt , most all trucks use this method > today , they look like a regular bolt otherwise, they are proabbly made at > the same factory as the regular bolts and may have got mixed , just a > thought From BillMil357 at aol.com Mon Mar 21 15:31:09 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:31:09 EST Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt Message-ID: <9f.5b5636cc.2f70b33d@aol.com> Hey Guy's, Its not that this bolt didn't have any thread and was just smooth, it had grooves and ridges from the end all the way to the bolt head and to look at it you would think it had good threads. Jim has the answer, I was thinking about a die cutting the threads, but if the threads were rolled, when the machine started rolling the machine would have to advance enough for each groove to line up with the groove beside it when the bolt made one turn in the machine, am I right Jim? I knew you good people would have the answer. Thanks a Million, Bill Miller Memphis, TN. From BillMil357 at aol.com Mon Mar 21 15:45:01 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:45:01 EST Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. Message-ID: <64.516b595e.2f70b67d@aol.com> Rex, You done messed my mind all up now Ha. I never heard of a huck bolt before is that nut red hot when they squeeze it down in the threads of the bolt, I would hate to be the OLE boy that was trying to take one of those nuts off a truck. Thanks, Bill. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 16:30:13 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:30:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. In-Reply-To: References: <62.5137779d.2f705ed5@aol.com> <002b01c52e67$bfd4f140$6286a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <6f6025160503211630227d31d@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:25:13 -0500 (EST), Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Rex, > > Huh, never heard of those Huck bolts before. They're like a Godzilla size > pop-rivet! There's quite a range of sizes & styles. Thanks for > "something new." > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Rex Hinz wrote: > > > Someone may have mixed in a huck bolt , a huck bolt has only groves and > > the nut of a huck bolt has no threads , it slids over the bolt while being > > pulled to the right tourqe then the nut is compressed or squashed down till > > it is mashed into the grooves of the bolt , most all trucks use this method > > today , they look like a regular bolt otherwise, they are proabbly made at > > the same factory as the regular bolts and may have got mixed , just a > > thought Probably worth mentioning that they are used on bodywork mainly, not normally for highly stressed chassis parts. The come with a special air-operated tool to pull the shank through and snap it off. One US suppliers here: http://www.duncanbolt.com/Huck/huck.html Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Mar 21 16:50:43 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:50:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. In-Reply-To: <002b01c52e67$bfd4f140$6286a5d8@mycomputer> References: <62.5137779d.2f705ed5@aol.com> <002b01c52e67$bfd4f140$6286a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050321175601.1119ff38@mail.alltel.net> Hi Rex, I'll be damned! a week or so ago I tried to screw a nut onto a bolt that was exactly as you describe. When it wouldn't go on I handed it to Arnie and said "Look at this mother hucker." >BILL ; > > Someone may have mixed in a huck bolt , a huck bolt has only groves and >the nut of a huck bolt has no threads , it slids over the bolt while being >pulled to the right tourqe then the nut is compressed or squashed down till >it is mashed into the grooves of the bolt , most all trucks use this method >today , they look like a regular bolt otherwise, they are proabbly made at >the same factory as the regular bolts and may have got mixed , just a >thought > >Rex Hinz > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 11:31 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. > > > > Hey Men, I was mounting a seat on a 1972 Cub Cadet Lawn tractor that I am > > restoring and a fellow gave me four 5/16 in. bolts to mount it , three of >the > > bolts were fine but the other one I could not get the nut started, checked > > closer and I could not see a taper of the threads on the end for a left >hand or > > right hand thread, I took one of the other bolts and put my thumb nail in >the > > second thread from the end and turned the bolt to the right and my nail >moved > > right up toward the head of the bolt, I did the same thing to the other >bolt > > and my nail never move, it stayed in the same place on the bolt, turning >it > > to the right of the left, so this bolt just had grooves cut into it >straight > > around the bolt and not connected to the next groove, has anyone ever seen > > one if so what in the world are they for, it would mesh right in one of >the > > other bolts same amount of grooves per inch. In my 76 years on this earth >I have > > never seen anything like it, someone give me some info. on this it bugs >me > > Ha Ha. I bet you people thought I was gone but I browse on here every >day. > > Thanks, > > Bill Miller. > > Memphis, TN. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FGreatwestern at aol.com Mon Mar 21 16:55:12 2005 From: FGreatwestern at aol.com (FGreatwestern at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:55:12 EST Subject: [SEL] Brunner Engines Message-ID: <1fa.4dcc1e2.2f70c6f0@aol.com> Does anyone have ANY information on these engines? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you very much. Fred Schultz in MI From weolson at wiktel.com Mon Mar 21 16:56:15 2005 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:56:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. References: <62.5137779d.2f705ed5@aol.com> Message-ID: <423F6D2F.10909@wiktel.com> Yes, I've run into a bolt like this a couple of times. I believe the threads on these bolts are not cut, but rolled into the body of the bolt. Apparently the rolling dies got out of adjustment for the bolt. I also believe that all Grade 8 bolts have rolled rather than cut threads, more like a forged bolt then. I could b wrong, but I think this is the way it's done. William Olson - Northern Minnesota. BillMil357 at aol.com wrote: >Hey Men, I was mounting a seat on a 1972 Cub Cadet Lawn tractor that I am >restoring and a fellow gave me four 5/16 in. bolts to mount it , three of the >bolts were fine but the other one I could not get the nut started, checked >closer and I could not see a taper of the threads on the end for a left hand or >right hand thread, I took one of the other bolts and put my thumb nail in the >second thread from the end and turned the bolt to the right and my nail moved > right up toward the head of the bolt, I did the same thing to the other bolt >and my nail never move, it stayed in the same place on the bolt, turning it >to the right of the left, so this bolt just had grooves cut into it straight >around the bolt and not connected to the next groove, has anyone ever seen >one if so what in the world are they for, it would mesh right in one of the >other bolts same amount of grooves per inch. In my 76 years on this earth I have >never seen anything like it, someone give me some info. on this it bugs me >Ha Ha. I bet you people thought I was gone but I browse on here every day. >Thanks, >Bill Miller. >Memphis, TN. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 21 17:35:43 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:35:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Key Security Message-ID: <00ce01c52e7f$79357d00$230110ac@PAUL> Ok gang I need your help again. As most of you know I have a part time job where I help manage a 60 unit apartment complex and do all of the maintenance. The office is about 10' X 10' in size, we have a steel entry door with a dead bolt lock, the office has one outside window and we have bars over it so we felt pretty protected. The tenants spare apartment keys are locked in a key cabinet that is mounted on the wall inside of the office. Last week we had an intruder gain access to our attic, walk over to the top of the office and just bust through the ceiling into the office. He gained access to the key cabinet once in the office and got some of the tenants keys as well as obtained the keys to the Laundromat which he used to gain access to the coin boxes and emptied all of them out. We are now in the process of re-keying the whole complex at a cost of about $3000.00. The owners have asked me to come up with a more secure way of keeping the tenants keys in the office. Every key cabinet that I find on the Internet that is capable of holding about 180 keys is made only of light gauge metal, 10 gauge, etc. I was trying to find a heavy duty key safe like the old floor model safes you use to see in some of the offices but have been unable to find one made for keys. I am looking for suggestions on how to obtain maximum security for storing the apartment keys in the office. Any help or advice will be appreciated. Thanks, Paul From stevebarr at ameritech.net Mon Mar 21 17:43:51 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:43:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Brunner Engines In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050322014351.72540.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Fred I know a collector in Peru IL who has a Brunner Inverted Engine. They also have an inverted compressor that is underging restoration. The castings are simular in size, but very different. 2 pictures at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004Sycamore/81.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004Sycamore/82.JPG I have more pictures on several different show pictures. There is a different person in Peru, IL who sells reproduction Brunner catalogs on ebay. Steve --- FGreatwestern at aol.com wrote: > Does anyone have ANY information on these engines? Any help would be > appreciated. Thank you very much. > Fred Schultz in MI > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From solarrog at pacbell.net Mon Mar 21 17:54:39 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:54:39 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Key Security References: <00ce01c52e7f$79357d00$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <015501c52e82$1d1b9420$75017643@D6R3D961> Paul have the door sets master keyed, Then you only need one key for the all units. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 5:35 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Key Security Ok gang I need your help again. As most of you know I have a part time job where I help manage a 60 unit apartment complex and do all of the maintenance. The office is about 10' X 10' in size, we have a steel entry door with a dead bolt lock, the office has one outside window and we have bars over it so we felt pretty protected. The tenants spare apartment keys are locked in a key cabinet that is mounted on the wall inside of the office. Last week we had an intruder gain access to our attic, walk over to the top of the office and just bust through the ceiling into the office. He gained access to the key cabinet once in the office and got some of the tenants keys as well as obtained the keys to the Laundromat which he used to gain access to the coin boxes and emptied all of them out. We are now in the process of re-keying the whole complex at a cost of about $3000.00. The owners have asked me to come up with a more secure way of keeping the tenants keys in the office. Every key cabinet that I find on the Internet that is capable of holding about 180 keys is made only of light gauge metal, 10 gauge, etc. I was trying to find a heavy duty key safe like the old floor model safes you use to see in some of the offices but have been unable to find one made for keys. I am looking for suggestions on how to obtain maximum security for storing the apartment keys in the office. Any help or advice will be appreciated. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mrengine at comcast.net Mon Mar 21 17:54:38 2005 From: mrengine at comcast.net (mrengine at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:54:38 +0000 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Key Security Message-ID: <032220050154.22173.423F7ADD000E1F690000569D22007456720A020709020A9D03@comcast.net> You could securely install a wall safe then put a cheap cabinet with hooks inside to hang the keys on. You had that pumper running lately? Frank -------------- Original message -------------- > Ok gang I need your help again. As most of you know I have a part time job where > I help manage a 60 unit apartment complex and do all of the maintenance. The > office is about 10' X 10' in size, we have a steel entry door with a dead bolt > lock, the office has one outside window and we have bars over it so we felt > pretty protected. The tenants spare apartment keys are locked in a key cabinet > that is mounted on the wall inside of the office. > > Last week we had an intruder gain access to our attic, walk over to the top of > the office and just bust through the ceiling into the office. He gained access > to the key cabinet once in the office and got some of the tenants keys as well > as obtained the keys to the Laundromat which he used to gain access to the coin > boxes and emptied all of them out. We are now in the process of re-keying the > whole complex at a cost of about $3000.00. > > The owners have asked me to come up with a more secure way of keeping the > tenants keys in the office. Every key cabinet that I find on the Internet that > is capable of holding about 180 keys is made only of light gauge metal, 10 > gauge, etc. I was trying to find a heavy duty key safe like the old floor model > safes you use to see in some of the offices but have been unable to find one > made for keys. > > I am looking for suggestions on how to obtain maximum security for storing the > apartment keys in the office. Any help or advice will be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 21 16:34:26 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:34:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Tom Dunlap References: <00f401c52d8a$4034b520$230110ac@PAUL> <001501c52dbd$20c557c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <00b401c52e77$09524660$230110ac@PAUL> Tom your Stover Catalog was mailed out at 12:46 PM today via Priority Mail, hopefully you will have it in a couple of days. Sorry for the delay in getting it to you. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for Tom Dunlap > Here I am... i have responded several times ..i guess ebay doesnt always > get > it right.. > > > Tom Dunlap > 9308 Goldenrod > San Antonio, Texas 78266 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "Stationary Engine List" > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:20 PM > Subject: [SEL] Looking for Tom Dunlap > > > Folks I am trying desperately to find Tom Dunlap. He purchased a copy of > one > of my 1911 Stover Reprint Manuals and paid for it by PayPal but he has > never > sent me an address so I can mail his book to him. I have sent him (3) > e-mails requesting his mailing information and so far I have not received > an > answer to any of them. I would like to be able to mail the man's book to > him, he has paid for it and should have it but without a mailing address I > am stuck. Does anyone know Tom, if so can you send me his mailing address. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Mon Mar 21 18:02:03 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:02:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Key Security References: <00ce01c52e7f$79357d00$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <00cd01c52e83$24969910$a65bef18@pengy> An idea might be to enlist a local fabricator to build a heavy steel cabinet in which to place one of the commercially available key cabinets. A good fabricator can build you something that looks good and will be very very difficult to compromise. If you've spent 3k already another 300 or so on a cabinet is worth it. I agree what is sold today is a joke. Those cabinets won't keep anyone out if they are determined to get in. I've been in in this situation before and I know what it takes to keep someone out. Maybe buy an old floor safe? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:35 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Key Security Ok gang I need your help again. As most of you know I have a part time job where I help manage a 60 unit apartment complex and do all of the maintenance. The office is about 10' X 10' in size, we have a steel entry door with a dead bolt lock, the office has one outside window and we have bars over it so we felt pretty protected. The tenants spare apartment keys are locked in a key cabinet that is mounted on the wall inside of the office. Last week we had an intruder gain access to our attic, walk over to the top of the office and just bust through the ceiling into the office. He gained access to the key cabinet once in the office and got some of the tenants keys as well as obtained the keys to the Laundromat which he used to gain access to the coin boxes and emptied all of them out. We are now in the process of re-keying the whole complex at a cost of about $3000.00. The owners have asked me to come up with a more secure way of keeping the tenants keys in the office. Every key cabinet that I find on the Internet that is capable of holding about 180 keys is made only of light gauge metal, 10 gauge, etc. I was trying to find a heavy duty key safe like the old floor model safes you use to see in some of the offices but have been unable to find one made for keys. I am looking for suggestions on how to obtain maximum security for storing the apartment keys in the office. Any help or advice will be appreciated. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rexhinz at chorus.net Mon Mar 21 18:08:34 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:08:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. References: <64.516b595e.2f70b67d@aol.com> Message-ID: <000d01c52e84$0ff01440$4686a5d8@mycomputer> Bill; The nut is squashed without heat . If you get near any tractor trailer set up take a look at the bolts holding the suspension on , the only wat to remove a huck bolt is a gas wrench , then you replace it with a grade 8 bolt and nut I think the factories did this to save time on the assembly line, You may be able to do a search for huck fastners and see a pic Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. > Rex, > > You done messed my mind all up now Ha. I never heard of a huck bolt before > is that nut red hot when they squeeze it down in the threads of the bolt, I > would hate to be the OLE boy that was trying to take one of those nuts off a > truck. > > Thanks, > Bill. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 21 17:51:12 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:51:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. References: <62.5137779d.2f705ed5@aol.com><002b01c52e67$bfd4f140$6286a5d8@mycomputer> <6.1.2.0.0.20050321175601.1119ff38@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <016201c52e84$94e4a3a0$0301a8c0@Reg> Oh, quick, very quick!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. > Hi Rex, > I'll be damned! a week or so ago I tried to screw a nut onto a > bolt that was exactly as you describe. When it wouldn't go on I handed it > to Arnie and said "Look at this mother hucker." From rexhinz at chorus.net Mon Mar 21 18:16:38 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:16:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. References: <62.5137779d.2f705ed5@aol.com><002b01c52e67$bfd4f140$6286a5d8@mycomputer> <6f6025160503211630227d31d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001301c52e85$30761420$4686a5d8@mycomputer> Hi Peter; All our Kenworths and Peterbilts have huck bolts holding the frame. suspension . spring hangers, and all the high stress chasis parts , most of them are around 5/8" to 3/4 " dia. Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:25:13 -0500 (EST), Arnie Fero > wrote: > > Hi Rex, > > > > Huh, never heard of those Huck bolts before. They're like a Godzilla size > > pop-rivet! There's quite a range of sizes & styles. Thanks for > > "something new." > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > Arnie Fero > > Pittsburgh, PA > > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Rex Hinz wrote: > > > > > Someone may have mixed in a huck bolt , a huck bolt has only groves and > > > the nut of a huck bolt has no threads , it slids over the bolt while being > > > pulled to the right tourqe then the nut is compressed or squashed down till > > > it is mashed into the grooves of the bolt , most all trucks use this method > > > today , they look like a regular bolt otherwise, they are proabbly made at > > > the same factory as the regular bolts and may have got mixed , just a > > > thought > > Probably worth mentioning that they are used on bodywork mainly, not > normally for highly stressed chassis parts. The come with a special > air-operated tool to pull the shank through and snap it off. > > One US suppliers here: > > http://www.duncanbolt.com/Huck/huck.html > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BillMil357 at aol.com Mon Mar 21 18:53:46 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:53:46 EST Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. Message-ID: <87.23ebdae9.2f70e2ba@aol.com> Rex, I have seen those on frames of trucks but never thought how they operated. Thanks, Bill. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 21 18:59:04 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:59:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Key Security References: <032220050154.22173.423F7ADD000E1F690000569D22007456720A020709020A9D03@comcast.net> Message-ID: <011d01c52e8b$1e66e9c0$230110ac@PAUL> Hello Frank, This is what I was thinking about doing only I was thinking about a big old floor safe, a wall safe would be better. Good to hear from you. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Key Security > You could securely install a wall safe then put a cheap cabinet with hooks > inside to hang the keys on. You had that pumper running lately? Frank > > -------------- Original message -------------- > >> Ok gang I need your help again. As most of you know I have a part time >> job where >> I help manage a 60 unit apartment complex and do all of the maintenance. >> The >> office is about 10' X 10' in size, we have a steel entry door with a dead >> bolt From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 21 19:00:16 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:00:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Key Security References: <00ce01c52e7f$79357d00$230110ac@PAUL> <015501c52e82$1d1b9420$75017643@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <012201c52e8b$4ef8d7b0$230110ac@PAUL> Roger we have all of the apartments keyed to a Master Key but when a new tenant moves in they get two entry keys and we keep a spare key in the cabinet in case they misplace one. When an apartment is vacant there is three keys hanging on the hook. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger DiRuscio" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Key Security > Paul have the door sets master keyed, Then you only need one key for the > all units. > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts > Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc > Collector of antique engines > Fremont,Ca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 21 19:01:03 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:01:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Key Security References: <00ce01c52e7f$79357d00$230110ac@PAUL> <00cd01c52e83$24969910$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <012301c52e8b$64bdcf60$230110ac@PAUL> I think that this would be a good idea and one which I will pursue. Thanks Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Key Security > An idea might be to enlist a local fabricator to build a heavy steel > cabinet in which to place one of the commercially available key cabinets. > A good fabricator can build you something that looks good and will be very > very difficult to compromise. If you've spent 3k already another 300 or > so on a cabinet is worth it. I agree what is sold today is a joke. Those > cabinets won't keep anyone out if they are determined to get in. I've > been in in this situation before and I know what it takes to keep someone > out. > > Maybe buy an old floor safe? > > Rick > > From rustyiron at bigpond.com Mon Mar 21 09:14:11 2005 From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:14:11 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Paul Maples Message-ID: <006801c52e39$780c1b00$0a1dfea9@ibmbnh186c> Hi Paul, Have you changed your e-mail address? I've sent a couple of e-mails but they have returned. I need to talk of list. Andy...... Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com From BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com Mon Mar 21 21:41:00 2005 From: BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com (Barry Gorman) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:41:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to throw the blame in the wrong direction , Regards , Barry Gorman Glorious Hunter Valley NSW AUSTRALIA BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg Ingold" At our last club rally, some prick put in a complaint about me having an unrestrained dog at the show! (In a 'public place) Yup! he was out to get at me any way he could. Sad, pathetic creature that he is! So, Jessie stays home now for this event. Funny thing is that I feel very much like doing the same. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 21 22:17:58 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:17:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg> <008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> Message-ID: <01df01c52ea8$3979e380$0301a8c0@Reg> I was going to answer this but, he aint worth the effort. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Gorman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) > Reg , > I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , > Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled > under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to > throw the blame in the wrong direction , > Regards , > Barry Gorman > Glorious Hunter Valley > NSW AUSTRALIA > BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg Ingold" > At our last club rally, some prick put in a complaint about me having an > unrestrained dog at the show! (In a 'public place) > Yup! he was out to get at me any way he could. Sad, pathetic creature that > he is! > So, Jessie stays home now for this event. > Funny thing is that I feel very much like doing the same. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Mar 21 23:30:13 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:30:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg> <008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> Message-ID: <007f01c52eb0$fd18cd30$715e1fd3@morris> G'day Barry And what "The Law" would that be Kerry Morris > Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , > Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled > under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to > throw the blame in the wrong direction , > Regards , > Barry Gorman - > From: "Reg Ingold" > At our last club rally, some prick put in a complaint about me having an > unrestrained dog at the show! (In a 'public place) > Yup! he was out to get at me any way he could. Sad, pathetic creature that > he is! > So, Jessie stays home now for this event. > Funny thing is that I feel very much like doing the same. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 23:47:17 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:47:17 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Strange bolt. In-Reply-To: <001301c52e85$30761420$4686a5d8@mycomputer> References: <62.5137779d.2f705ed5@aol.com> <002b01c52e67$bfd4f140$6286a5d8@mycomputer> <6f6025160503211630227d31d@mail.gmail.com> <001301c52e85$30761420$4686a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <6f602516050321234728d95eca@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:16:38 -0600, Rex Hinz wrote: > Hi Peter; > > All our Kenworths and Peterbilts have huck bolts holding the frame. > suspension . spring hangers, and all the high stress chasis parts , most of > them are around 5/8" to 3/4 " dia. > > Rex They have obviously improved them! In the 1970's when I worked on trucks in the UK, they were only up to 5/16" stem and ISTR only approved for lightly stressed stuff, hence my comment. Most truck makers in the UK at the time used rivets or fitted bolts. Bedford for example used rivets for their spring hangers and cross-members, but bolts for other parts. Scania used bolts almost everywhere, with rivets for cross-members etc., the two UK independents ERF and Foden used fitted bolts into close-tolerance holes. Nothing much left here in the way of truck makers, only a bit of sub-assembly noe plus a few specialist assemblers. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Mar 22 02:56:52 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:56:52 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <007f01c52eb0$fd18cd30$715e1fd3@morris> Message-ID: <001101c52ecd$e0734030$37c63dca@ogborneuah38i3> I always take my mate Gibo to the shows ,being a Kangaroo he can carry a few things in the pouch ,ie spanners and even the tinnies. He doesn't say much and his shit is easier to pick up than barkers eggs. I did ask Chester if he would like to go to shows but he would prefer to stay home,[ at least that is what i presumed Woof Woof to mean!] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) > G'day Barry > > And what "The Law" would that be > > > Kerry Morris > > >> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , >> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled >> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to >> throw the blame in the wrong direction , >> Regards , >> Barry Gorman > - >> From: "Reg Ingold" >> At our last club rally, some prick put in a complaint about me having an >> unrestrained dog at the show! (In a 'public place) >> Yup! he was out to get at me any way he could. Sad, pathetic creature >> that >> he is! >> So, Jessie stays home now for this event. >> Funny thing is that I feel very much like doing the same. >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Mar 22 03:31:26 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:31:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Edison Splitdorf Message-ID: <6f6025160503220331759d2397@mail.gmail.com> We had a trip down to Surrey last evening to pick up some ebay stuff that we had bought in the USA and had shipped to our friends in California. The 'family' transportation system eventually brought it back here, so we were able to have a look at our purchases. The main item was an Edison-Splitdorf service manual, dating from the late 1940's. A large 2" thick loose-bound item, it has a lot of original fitting information plus most of the Splitfdorf magneto spares lists and service info, all useful stuff. One item that caught my eye was that Thomas A Edison Co bought Splitdorf originally, but some pages in the book show Wico as the owners of the company, whether that is Edison or just Splitdorf I don't know, but I'd appreciate any info on that side of things. In the late 1940's there must have been a huge contraction in the magneto marketplace, with diesels coming along in smaller sizes and the aero industry downsizing after the war. Wico appears to have had a big chunk of the dwindling market by then, and they also went through ownership changes, first with Globe-Union and then with Prestolite. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From curt at imc-group.com Tue Mar 22 05:02:22 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:02:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg> <008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> Message-ID: <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> Barry, In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but there was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash against the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting one of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT a requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that said, I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps local ordinances could dictate....but laws? Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at engines from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm guessing the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite difficult unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length of the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side toward the fence. For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators to clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we were in side shaft heaven! Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white bum showing in public was against the law too ;-) So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. Barry Gorman wrote: > Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , > Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled > under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to > throw the blame in the wrong direction , > Regards , > Barry Gorman From Vivas1993 at aol.com Tue Mar 22 06:53:55 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:53:55 EST Subject: [SEL] Great engine day Message-ID: <7e.65e5feae.2f718b83@aol.com> G'day folks, Monday was a great day for me ! I finally took delivery of an engine that I have been wanting for a very long time. The new toy is an 8hp R&T Austral :-) My engine buddy, Leo & I met Ron & Donna, who hauled the engine from Cal. to Va. around 11:30 Monday morning. After the unloading the engine from their trailer to Leo's rollback, and the usual engine talk, Ron & Donna were off to PA. and we took the Austral to Leo's place. Once we looked the Austral over for a while, seeing things that needed to be repaired or replaced, we belted the engine up to Leo's JD tractor to spin it over for a while. A couple of valves needed adjusting and the timing valve was stuck & way out of time. The fuel trap was removed & cleaned, a new gasket was made for the air valve case, along with a few more things needing attention. Once all these items were taken care of, we decided to try to start it. The fuel tank is in bad shape, so we just poued the kero. in the fuel trap. We don't have a starting lamp, so we heated the hotbulb with a couple of propane torches. With the old JD turning the engine over, we finally got some smoke coming out of the muffler. After a little more heat & pouring kero., it was running on it's own, after who knows how long !!! There are still several parts that need work or replacing, but it sure runs nice ;o) To borrow a line from a famous fellow - Life Is Good !!!! Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 22 07:00:01 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:00:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) In-Reply-To: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike, Your last comment is the most relevant. One could try embarrassing the lazy owner by calling out VERY loudly "Hey mister, a part just fell off your dog." The other thing that would be a good idea would be to do a "baggie check" when the owner brings his dog in past the gate. If he's not got a couple of baggies in his pocket he's probably a clod who has no intention of cleaning up after his pooch and they should be refused entrance. No guarentees that a baggie carrier will clean up, but I'd be willing to bet on it. See ya, Arnie On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Mike Rohrer wrote: > I have a questions about people bringing their dogs to the shows. Do you let > them or ask them to leave them at home? We have around 25,000 people per day > coming to our show. We have notice that in the last few years people have > been bringing their dogs to the show. We have not had anyone bitten, but > have had a few dog fights. The biggest problem is that when the dogs take a > dump, the owner never stops or tries to clean it up. What do you do? From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Mar 22 07:17:34 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:17:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) Message-ID: <20050322.103106.1312.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Peter, I always take my mate Gibo to the shows ,being a Kangaroo he can carry a few things in the pouch ,ie spanners and even the tinnies. = = = = = = = = = Very - Very Kewl !!! In my original response to this I touched a little on dogs being led around the show and not enjoying being there. But - people want to bring their pets. I guess we have to understand that the pet is a "part of the family", (at least mine is) and, people will bring them to the show or stay away. I think a notice posted that animals MUST be under control and MUST be picked up after, should be sufficient. I don't necessarily mean they have to be leashed but if a dog is prone to jump on people or invade people's space, or start fights with other dogs, or not responsive to the owner's call, then maybe they need a leash. If they poop - it MUST be cleaned up - and - the owner should be responsible. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Mar 22 07:34:54 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:34:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) Message-ID: <20050322.103454.1312.8.jlb94@juno.com> Good idea Arnie - Like there are "baggie stations" in South Park and North Park (County Parks) - why not build some baggie stations around the show site ? Baggies come on a roll like in the produce section of the supermarket. It wouldn't be too tough a project. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 22 07:56:43 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:56:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Great engine day In-Reply-To: <7e.65e5feae.2f718b83@aol.com> References: <7e.65e5feae.2f718b83@aol.com> Message-ID: CONGRATS Dwight!! Just one question... where are the pictures??? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 Vivas1993 at aol.com wrote: > Monday was a great day for me ! I finally took delivery of an engine that I > have been wanting for a very long time. The new toy is an 8hp R&T Austral :-) From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 22 08:03:35 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:03:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Great engine day In-Reply-To: <7e.65e5feae.2f718b83@aol.com> Message-ID: <200503221603.j2MG3dHV065829@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> >G'day folks, Monday was a great day for me ! I finally took >delivery of an engine that I have been wanting for a very >long time. The new toy is an 8hp R&T Austral :-) . Excellent Dwight! Australs are neat engines. Do you have any pictures of the engine or that guy standing next to her with the big grin on his face? Rob From carriagehillfarm at att.net Tue Mar 22 08:48:19 2005 From: carriagehillfarm at att.net (Jim Fisk) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:48:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] LeSueur County Pioneer Power Swap Meet Dates Message-ID: Anyone know the dates for this years LeSueur County Pioneer Power Swap Meet? (Minnesota) Jim From marvhed at ecenet.com Tue Mar 22 10:19:20 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:19:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] LeSueur County Pioneer Power Swap Meet Dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10450.199.62.0.252.1111515560.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> LeSUEUR PIONEER SWAP MEET April 22-24, 2005 marv in minn > Anyone know the dates for this years LeSueur County Pioneer Power Swap > Meet? > (Minnesota) > > Jim > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Mar 22 10:57:09 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:57:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Key Security In-Reply-To: <00ce01c52e7f$79357d00$230110ac@PAUL> References: <00ce01c52e7f$79357d00$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <42406A85.90706@fidnet.com> You might look at something like a gun safe. That would probably accomodate a key cabined. You could also make a key board out of plywood, etc. that would fit coustom fit the interior of the gun safe. One advantage of such an arrangement is that you can put other things in the safe. Gary Paul Maples wrote: > Ok gang I need your help again. As most of you know I have a part time job where I help manage a 60 unit apartment complex and do all of the maintenance. The office is about 10' X 10' in size, we have a steel entry door with a dead bolt lock, the office has one outside window and we have bars over it so we felt pretty protected. The tenants spare apartment keys are locked in a key cabinet that is mounted on the wall inside of the office. > > Last week we had an intruder gain access to our attic, walk over to the top of the office and just bust through the ceiling into the office. He gained access to the key cabinet once in the office and got some of the tenants keys as well as obtained the keys to the Laundromat which he used to gain access to the coin boxes and emptied all of them out. We are now in the process of re-keying the whole complex at a cost of about $3000.00. > > The owners have asked me to come up with a more secure way of keeping the tenants keys in the office. Every key cabinet that I find on the Internet that is capable of holding about 180 keys is made only of light gauge metal, 10 gauge, etc. I was trying to find a heavy duty key safe like the old floor model safes you use to see in some of the offices but have been unable to find one made for keys. > > I am looking for suggestions on how to obtain maximum security for storing the apartment keys in the office. Any help or advice will be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Mar 22 11:06:12 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:06:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Great engine day References: <7e.65e5feae.2f718b83@aol.com> Message-ID: <002801c52f12$37130f80$715e1fd3@morris> Brilliant, Dwight What style is your 8 HP Austral, is it the same as mine see http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Austeng.html What parts are you looking for, us Aussies should be able to help Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz > G'day folks, > Monday was a great day for me ! I finally took delivery of an engine that > I > have been wanting for a very long time. The new toy is an 8hp R&T Austral > :-) > My engine buddy, Leo & I met Ron & Donna, who hauled the engine from Cal. > to > Va. around 11:30 Monday morning. After the unloading the engine from > their > trailer to Leo's rollback, and the usual engine talk, Ron & Donna were off > to > PA. and we took the Austral to Leo's place. > Once we looked the Austral over for a while, seeing things that needed to > be > repaired or replaced, we belted the engine up to Leo's JD tractor to spin > it > over for a while. A couple of valves needed adjusting and the timing valve > was > stuck & way out of time. > The fuel trap was removed & cleaned, a new gasket was made for the air > valve > case, along with a few more things needing attention. Once all these > items > were taken care of, we decided to try to start it. The fuel tank is in bad > shape, so we just poued the kero. in the fuel trap. We don't have a > starting > lamp, so we heated the hotbulb with a couple of propane torches. With > the old JD > turning the engine over, we finally got some smoke coming out of the > muffler. > After a little more heat & pouring kero., it was running on it's own, > after > who knows how long !!! > There are still several parts that need work or replacing, but it sure > runs > nice ;o) > To borrow a line from a famous fellow - Life Is Good !!!! > Dwight Vivas > Matoaca, VA. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Mar 22 11:49:40 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:49:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004c01c52f18$497608c0$715e1fd3@morris> G'Day Curt > compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres long. > There was a removable fence section at each end. This arrangement made > unloading and loading one's engines quite difficult unless you simply > relinquished the task to the crane operator who would set your engine over > the fence edge. If you wanted to do it yourself you had to roll your > display all the way down the length of the compound since there were no > intermediate openings in the compounds. Not a problem at all as the compounds are wide enought to allow you to drive in one end, unload and out the other, only the larger engines were unloadered by crane if the owner did not / could not roll off eg. when the engine arrive on the flat bed of a large truck > Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair of > shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white bum showing > in public was against the law too ;-) > So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than from > the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) Thats because you broke "The Law" and climbed over the fence instead of using the gate, your problem 8-)) Kerry -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 From jimjirik at earthlink.net Tue Mar 22 11:53:59 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:53:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Anyone looking for a deal on a BRB? Message-ID: <410-220053222195359955@earthlink.net> If anyone is looking for a BRB, here is one online that is selling for $100.00 http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpidEQ2480719AMPdomain_idEQ1856AMPmeta _idEQ1 Jim Jirik Bonner Springs, KS From shop at cccomm.net Tue Mar 22 12:21:21 2005 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:21:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Webster Dust Cover References: <200503221603.j2MG3dHV065829@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <026401c52f1c$b7e316f0$6401a8c0@Shop> I need help settling an argument. What was the original color of the dust cover on Webster mags? Especially the early ones that were brass and the later ones that are pot metal. Thanks in advance Dave From BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com Tue Mar 22 13:22:55 2005 From: BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com (Barry Gorman) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:22:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba><007f01c52eb0$fd18cd30$715e1fd3@morris> <001101c52ecd$e0734030$37c63dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <001d01c52f25$564d2940$4a398a90@userd6162315ba> Go Peter , as Roo's are not covered by the companion animals act , go well Peter, Barry Gorman Glorious Hunter Valley NSW AUSTRALIA BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" >I always take my mate Gibo to the shows ,being a Kangaroo he can carry a >few things in the pouch ,ie spanners and even the tinnies. He doesn't say >much and his shit is easier to pick up than barkers eggs. I did ask Chester >if he would like to go to shows but he would prefer to stay home,[ at least >that is what i presumed Woof Woof to mean!] From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Mar 22 13:28:58 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:28:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003301c52f26$f24380a0$0301a8c0@Reg> Thanks for your comments Curt. However, you are wasting your time. "'Dont confuse me with facts, I have made up my tiny mind.'" Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Mar 22 14:04:57 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:04:57 EST Subject: [SEL] Great engine day Message-ID: <92.2346a77d.2f71f089@aol.com> In a message dated 3/22/2005 1:20:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, Vivas1993 at aol.com writes: << After the unloading the engine from their trailer to Leo's rollback, and the usual engine talk, Ron & Donna were off to PA. and we took the Austral to Leo's place >> Dwight, That is great! Nice to have Leo around and bet he was in his glory having something new to play with! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Tue Mar 22 14:14:18 2005 From: AntiqueEngineB at aol.com (AntiqueEngineB at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:14:18 EST Subject: [SEL] LeSueur County Pioneer Power Swap Meet Dates Message-ID: go to this link and go to show daze and you will find it _http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi_ (http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi) From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Tue Mar 22 16:33:56 2005 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:33:56 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re:Dogs on Showgrounds (OT?) Message-ID: <20050323003356.39290.qmail@web41129.mail.yahoo.com> Oh Dear Time to put our heads under the blankets again. What garbage. What sort of robots are drafting OZ Rally Rules? Perhaps they should give a little thought to the exhibitors who for days at a time sit there generating gate takings for the organisers. Next it will be no thermos's allowed, or no shade umbrellas perhaps? At the recent National Rally there were 2 dogs (one owner) in a compound, I think loosely restrained in some way. I'd say say dogs probably have more brains than people when it comes to fixed machinery. They just KNOW to stay clear. Perhaps rally rules bureacrats should control their imaginations and apply their small brains to more common-sense outcomes like "dogs (pets) permitted on leases". How hard could THAT be? Dogs on leashes is good enough for most local councils in Oz. Ain't it funny how the best people for committees are the ones who don't want to be there? Better yet, just cancel rallies altogether. It'll be easier then to stay within the rules. Graham in Oz Message: 38 From: "Barry Gorman" Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to throw the blame in the wrong direction , Regards , Barry Gorman From: "Reg Ingold" At our last club rally, some prick put in a complaint about me having an unrestrained dog at the show! (In a 'public place) Yup! he was out to get at me any way he could. Sad, pathetic creature that he is! So, Jessie stays home now for this event. Funny thing is that I feel very much like doing the same. Reg & Marg Ingold. From: "Reg Ingold" Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) I was going to answer this but, he aint worth the effort. Reg & Marg Ingold. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From rexhinz at chorus.net Tue Mar 22 16:40:51 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:40:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy 2-1/2 HP E Message-ID: <002d01c52f40$f9642730$0c86a5d8@mycomputer> Hi All: Working on the Economy and found the hopper caked with about 1 inch of petrafied grease , crude oil ? or Exon renaments , what would cause the hopper to be oil caked ? I checked for leaks in the cylinder and any cracks and found none , is it possible the oiler was dripping or leaking ? if so there must have been one heck of a leak , maybe the owner used oil instead of water for cooling ? this engine is well used as all the gears need to be replaced , any one have any extras ? I can get them from Ed at hitmiss but would prefer original , I also have to weld up the push rod as it is worn in the normal places, otherwise its going wEll I Tink. Later REx Hinz From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 22 14:50:19 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:50:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Joseph Reid Stuff Message-ID: <003d01c52f31$86620180$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> http://royalcrossfarm.com/REID.html things are thumbnailing now , dig the gasolene carb set up The flamethrower exhaust diag's going up next Chuck From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Mar 22 17:52:44 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:52:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" Message-ID: Howdy all; We don't know why, but several of our pump jacks and water pumps (F-M "typhoon") have 2 belt pulleys next to each other. One is free wheeling and the other is locked to the shaft. We believe they called this arrangement "free wheel, Locked wheel". Can anyone explain why they did this arrangement? TIA Rick and Cork in Mt. From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Tue Mar 22 18:41:03 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:41:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" References: Message-ID: <004601c52f51$c20e4a20$a2631f40@ibm22761389857> Sometime called free pulley and tight pulley. It is a simple clutch arrangement using a belt shifter. The belt is moved over to the free pulley to disengage the machine and shifted to the tight pulley to engage the machine. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Corky and Judy Harris" Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 20:52 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" > Howdy all; > We don't know why, but several of our pump jacks and water pumps (F-M > "typhoon") have 2 belt pulleys next to each other. One is free wheeling and > the other is locked to the shaft. We believe they called this arrangement > "free wheel, Locked wheel". > Can anyone explain why they did this arrangement? > > TIA > Rick and Cork in Mt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From todengine at zoominternet.net Tue Mar 22 18:39:49 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:39:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" References: Message-ID: <00a601c52f51$9549def0$a65bef18@pengy> You move the belt to the free wheel when you want to disengage the pump but keep the power source running. Then to engage the pump move the belt to the locked wheel (called that becasue its "locked" to the driveshaft) and the pump starts up. Its used extensively in overhead line shafted machine shops. Rick in Youngstown ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Corky and Judy Harris" Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 8:52 PM Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" > Howdy all; > We don't know why, but several of our pump jacks and water pumps (F-M > "typhoon") have 2 belt pulleys next to each other. One is free wheeling > and the other is locked to the shaft. We believe they called this > arrangement "free wheel, Locked wheel". > Can anyone explain why they did this arrangement? > > TIA > Rick and Cork in Mt. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Vivas1993 at aol.com Tue Mar 22 18:50:37 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:50:37 EST Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" Message-ID: <100.fd3118a.2f72337d@aol.com> Hi Rick, The main reason for the 2 pulleys is that you didn't have to have a clutch on every piece of equipment that was driven by the lineshaft, or shut down the engine when that piece of equipment wasn't in use. All you had to do was slide the belt over to the loose pulley, to stop the pump, or what ever else was being powered. The belt would keep moving, but what was being powered would stop. Take care, Dwight Matoaca, VA. From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Tue Mar 22 18:57:12 2005 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:57:12 +0800 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" References: Message-ID: <00b001c52f54$05202c00$210110ac@service> Hi Richard the freewheel is used when starting the engine (no load), once engine is running belt is run over onto drive wheel. cheers, Chester from West Aussie. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Corky and Judy Harris" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:52 AM Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" > Howdy all; > We don't know why, but several of our pump jacks and water pumps (F-M > "typhoon") have 2 belt pulleys next to each other. One is free wheeling and > the other is locked to the shaft. We believe they called this arrangement > "free wheel, Locked wheel". > Can anyone explain why they did this arrangement? > > TIA > Rick and Cork in Mt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Mar 22 07:40:11 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:40:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Curt, Was there a sign telling you not to climb over the fence? You should demand the show organizers pay for your shorts that were ripped. Or maybe the fence manufacturers, or the guys that put up the fence. I would name them all in your lawsuit. One of them will pay or atleast settle out of court. Some clubs will now want their fences to be increased in height to discourage people from crawling over them. Of course some people will probably still try to scale a six foot fence. Barb wire or razor wire on top of the fence will be the next step after increasing the fence height. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================= >From: Curt > >Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair of >shorts crawling over the fences. >So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than from >the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) >Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC From MaytagTwin at aol.com Tue Mar 22 19:12:15 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:12:15 EST Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" Message-ID: <1f3.61b00f6.2f72388f@aol.com> Hi Rick, If you were running a lineshaft, or, wanted to start an engine without load, you could shift the belt to the free wheeling pulley. Then, when you were ready to run and the belt is moving, take a stick of wood and push the belt sideways onto the drive wheel. The freewheeling pulley allows you to shut down the machine without stopping the power source. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, MO USA In a message dated 3/22/2005 8:22:44 PM Central Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: Howdy all; We don't know why, but several of our pump jacks and water pumps (F-M "typhoon") have 2 belt pulleys next to each other. One is free wheeling and the other is locked to the shaft. We believe they called this arrangement "free wheel, Locked wheel". Can anyone explain why they did this arrangement? TIA Rick and Cork in Mt. From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Mar 22 19:23:17 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:23:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" Message-ID: <20050322.222329.288.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rick & Cork, I'm assuming you're talking about flat belts ?? I'm also assuming you know the principal used to run machinery from a "line shaft". The locked pulley is used to run the pump or pump jack with power from an engine of some sort. By moving the belt from the "locked" pulley to the "free" pulley (usually by some sort of lever) simply stops the pump without stopping the engine - or - main power source. Hope this answers your question. I have a grind stone set up with the "locked" and "free" or "idle" pulley. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From christison at coastalnet.com Tue Mar 22 19:23:50 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:23:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" Message-ID: <410-22005332332350796@coastalnet.com> These are also called "tight and loose" pulleys, as well as "fast and loose" pulleys. Here is a description of the purpose: "Fast and loose pulleys (Mach.), two pulleys placed side by side on a revolving shaft, which is driven from another shaft by a band, and arranged to disengage and re["e]ngage the machinery driven thereby. When the machinery is to be stopped, the band is transferred from the pulley fixed to the shaft to the pulley which revolves freely upon it, and vice versa." http://onlinedictionary.datasegment.com/word/Fast+and+loose+pulleys Take care. Ken > [Original Message] > From: Richard Strobel > To: SEL email discussion list > Cc: Corky and Judy Harris > Date: 3/22/2005 8:53:19 PM > Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" > > Howdy all; > We don't know why, but several of our pump jacks and water pumps (F-M > "typhoon") have 2 belt pulleys next to each other. One is free wheeling and > the other is locked to the shaft. We believe they called this arrangement > "free wheel, Locked wheel". > Can anyone explain why they did this arrangement? > > TIA > Rick and Cork in Mt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Mar 22 18:05:37 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:05:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy 2-1/2 HP E References: <002d01c52f40$f9642730$0c86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: Hi Rex; Although we don't hear too much about it anymore or do it nowdays, they did use oil in the hopper for cooling. Probably for anti-frost heave or maybe it didn't boil away quite so quick. Gas Engine Magazine (GEM) has lots of vendors with spare parts. Swap meets are a good place to pick up parts. And then there's ebay as a last resort:-)) You've touched base with a lot of Herc owners here and guru's..so you're in the right place. Good Luck RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 5:40 PM Subject: [SEL] Economy 2-1/2 HP E > Hi All: > > Working on the Economy and found the hopper caked with about 1 > inch > of petrafied grease , crude oil ? or Exon renaments , what would cause > the > hopper to be oil caked ? I checked for leaks in the cylinder and any > cracks > and found none , is it possible the oiler was dripping or leaking ? if so > there must have been one heck of a leak , maybe the owner used oil instead > of water for cooling ? this engine is well used as all the gears need to > be > replaced , any one have any extras ? I can get them from Ed at hitmiss but > would prefer original , I also have to weld up the push rod as it is worn > in > the normal places, otherwise its going wEll I Tink. > Later > REx Hinz > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Mar 22 21:19:31 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:19:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy 2-1/2 HP E In-Reply-To: <002d01c52f40$f9642730$0c86a5d8@mycomputer> References: <002d01c52f40$f9642730$0c86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050323001757.116fd2f8@mail.alltel.net> At 07:40 PM 3/22/2005, you wrote: >Hi All: > > Working on the Economy and found the hopper caked with about 1 inch >of petrafied grease , crude oil ? >REx Hinz Hi Rex, Sometimes a guy would use oil in the hopper instead of water. Oil would not freeze. Dave From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Mar 22 21:22:19 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:22:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" In-Reply-To: <004601c52f51$c20e4a20$a2631f40@ibm22761389857> References: <004601c52f51$c20e4a20$a2631f40@ibm22761389857> Message-ID: <834f20fc4a826af80a97c765d47b5b41@chartertn.net> > Sometime called free pulley and tight pulley. Also known as "fast and loose." John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From brock at netspeed.com.au Tue Mar 22 21:59:31 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:59:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day Curt i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the constuction industry mainly working on roads and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia bigger version of a withes hat we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Barry, > In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all claiming > it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the Naracoorte > ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but there was a rumor > floating around the National this year that the fences were NOT the law. > Apparently there was considerable backlash against the folks manning the > insurance tent and that during some meeting one of the insurance reps > stood up and stated that the fences were NOT a requirement of the national > insurance body, but rather that was a decision left to the local clubs > managing the shows. With that said, I have to question if there is really > such a trivial law on the Oz book that bans unrestrained pets in public > places. Hard to imagine legislators wasting their time on such trivial > matters. Perhaps local ordinances could dictate....but laws? > > Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their impact > on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at engines from outside > of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are to impose extremely > well managed arrangement of engines. I'm guessing the compounds were > roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres long. There was a > removable fence section at each end. This arrangement made unloading and > loading one's engines quite difficult unless you simply relinquished the > task to the crane operator who would set your engine over the fence edge. > If you wanted to do it yourself you had to roll your display all the way > down the length of the compound since there were no intermediate openings > in the compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side > toward the fence. > > For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering down > the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with the > workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not going to do > it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could get a better look. > Now we could walk all around the engines, study them, touch them, meet and > shake hands with the owners, exchange business cards, take pictures > without having to wait on spectators to clear the area, read s/n's and > other tag information, etc. From inside it felt just like an engine show > in the US....except that we were in side shaft heaven! > > Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair of > shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white bum showing > in public was against the law too ;-) > So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than from > the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) > Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. > > > Barry Gorman wrote: > >> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , >> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled >> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to >> throw the blame in the wrong direction , >> Regards , >> Barry Gorman > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Mar 22 22:38:50 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:38:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004d01c52f72$fcc9fbc0$0301a8c0@Reg> <> I was most interested in the above. This is TOTALLY different to what the Nat. body have been feeding us over the years. I would ask the insurance company who are covering us to PUT THIS IN WRITING! So, Nat. Body, What have you to say on this??? Ah, wait a minute, they say they only put out "Guidelines"! But, you try and go against these "Guidelines" ! The 'Cringe' is alive and well here! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Barry, > In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all claiming > it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the Naracoorte > ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but there was a rumor > floating around the National this year that the fences were NOT the law. > Apparently there was considerable backlash against the folks manning the > insurance tent and that during some meeting one of the insurance reps > stood up and stated that the fences were NOT a requirement of the > national insurance body, but rather that was a decision left to the > local clubs managing the shows. With that said, I have to question if > there is really such a trivial law on the Oz book that bans unrestrained > pets in public places. Hard to imagine legislators wasting their time on > such trivial matters. Perhaps local ordinances could dictate....but laws? > > Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their impact > on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at engines from > outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are to impose > extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm guessing the > compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres long. > There was a removable fence section at each end. This arrangement made > unloading and loading one's engines quite difficult unless you simply > relinquished the task to the crane operator who would set your engine > over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it yourself you had to roll > your display all the way down the length of the compound since there > were no intermediate openings in the compounds. Most displays were set > with the more interesting side toward the fence. > > For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering down > the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with the > workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not going to > do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could get a better > look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study them, touch them, > meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange business cards, take > pictures without having to wait on spectators to clear the area, read > s/n's and other tag information, etc. From inside it felt just like an > engine show in the US....except that we were in side shaft heaven! > > Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair of > shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white bum > showing in public was against the law too ;-) > So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than from > the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) > Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. > > > Barry Gorman wrote: > > > Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , > > Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled > > under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to > > throw the blame in the wrong direction , > > Regards , > > Barry Gorman > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Mar 22 23:28:14 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:28:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Hi Curt I don't know where people got the idea that the requirement for fences was a LAW. Our legislators have not made LAWS in this regard however have done in other areas such as occupation and health. We, private citizens, even if we belong to a National body cannot make LAWS. In the case of our Association we have not even made RULES. As I have stated before that the Association has only issued GUIDELINES (there are reasons for this which I have explained before) for the conduct of an engine rally, National or otherwise. These have no standing in LAW, however, in saying that, I am sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an accident to the public. The last insurance policy I looked at included reference to the guidelines. I have not seen the latest policy. In regards to your comment regarding laws about unrestrained animals (read dogs). Yes the majority of councils if not all have laws regarding unleashed dogs in public places and cleaning up their droppings as you go a long. In fact some councils provide bins and plastics bags for dog owners for this purpose. It all stems from the number of dog attacks on humans that we have had over the past few years, some resulting in death. And the other part is as a result of pedestrians stepping into the droppings. However you can be lucky my place backs onto a "free range" area and my dogs can run loose and, best of all, I don't have to carry plastic bags. While I have been writing this I notice that Reg has commented. I agree with you Reg. I would like to see the Insurers put it in writing. Bet they don't. And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until they put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the NHMA. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Barry, > In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all claiming > it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the Naracoorte > ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but there was a rumor > floating around the National this year that the fences were NOT the law. > Apparently there was considerable backlash against the folks manning the > insurance tent and that during some meeting one of the insurance reps > stood up and stated that the fences were NOT a requirement of the > national insurance body, but rather that was a decision left to the > local clubs managing the shows. With that said, I have to question if > there is really such a trivial law on the Oz book that bans unrestrained > pets in public places. Hard to imagine legislators wasting their time on > such trivial matters. Perhaps local ordinances could dictate....but laws? > > Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their impact > on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at engines from > outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are to impose > extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm guessing the > compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres long. > There was a removable fence section at each end. This arrangement made > unloading and loading one's engines quite difficult unless you simply > relinquished the task to the crane operator who would set your engine > over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it yourself you had to roll > your display all the way down the length of the compound since there > were no intermediate openings in the compounds. Most displays were set > with the more interesting side toward the fence. > > For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering down > the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with the > workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not going to > do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could get a better > look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study them, touch them, > meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange business cards, take > pictures without having to wait on spectators to clear the area, read > s/n's and other tag information, etc. From inside it felt just like an > engine show in the US....except that we were in side shaft heaven! > > Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair of > shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white bum > showing in public was against the law too ;-) > So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than from > the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) > Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. > > > Barry Gorman wrote: > > > Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , > > Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled > > under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to > > throw the blame in the wrong direction , > > Regards , > > Barry Gorman > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Mar 22 23:52:38 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:52:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Great engine day In-Reply-To: <7e.65e5feae.2f718b83@aol.com> Message-ID: <200503230752.j2N7qiPR002988@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Dwight, Good to hear you finally got your Austral home. Soon you will be bounce starting it like the experts ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- G'day folks, Monday was a great day for me ! I finally took delivery of an engine that I have been wanting for a very long time. The new toy is an 8hp R&T Austral :-) My engine buddy, Leo & I met Ron & Donna, who hauled the engine from Cal. to Va. around 11:30 Monday morning. After the unloading the engine from their trailer to Leo's rollback, and the usual engine talk, Ron & Donna were off to PA. and we took the Austral to Leo's place. Once we looked the Austral over for a while, seeing things that needed to be repaired or replaced, we belted the engine up to Leo's JD tractor to spin it over for a while. A couple of valves needed adjusting and the timing valve was stuck & way out of time. The fuel trap was removed & cleaned, a new gasket was made for the air valve case, along with a few more things needing attention. Once all these items were taken care of, we decided to try to start it. The fuel tank is in bad shape, so we just poued the kero. in the fuel trap. We don't have a starting lamp, so we heated the hotbulb with a couple of propane torches. With the old JD turning the engine over, we finally got some smoke coming out of the muffler. After a little more heat & pouring kero., it was running on it's own, after who knows how long !!! There are still several parts that need work or replacing, but it sure runs nice ;o) To borrow a line from a famous fellow - Life Is Good !!!! Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From brock at netspeed.com.au Wed Mar 23 00:08:37 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:08:37 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Great engine day References: <7e.65e5feae.2f718b83@aol.com> Message-ID: <004401c52f7f$8578b680$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day Dwight it sounds like you got a good old Austral there have fun Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 1:53 AM Subject: [SEL] Great engine day > G'day folks, > Monday was a great day for me ! I finally took delivery of an engine that > I > have been wanting for a very long time. The new toy is an 8hp R&T Austral > :-) > My engine buddy, Leo & I met Ron & Donna, who hauled the engine from Cal. > to > Va. around 11:30 Monday morning. After the unloading the engine from > their > trailer to Leo's rollback, and the usual engine talk, Ron & Donna were off > to > PA. and we took the Austral to Leo's place. > Once we looked the Austral over for a while, seeing things that needed to > be > repaired or replaced, we belted the engine up to Leo's JD tractor to spin > it > over for a while. A couple of valves needed adjusting and the timing valve > was > stuck & way out of time. > The fuel trap was removed & cleaned, a new gasket was made for the air > valve > case, along with a few more things needing attention. Once all these > items > were taken care of, we decided to try to start it. The fuel tank is in bad > shape, so we just poued the kero. in the fuel trap. We don't have a > starting > lamp, so we heated the hotbulb with a couple of propane torches. With > the old JD > turning the engine over, we finally got some smoke coming out of the > muffler. > After a little more heat & pouring kero., it was running on it's own, > after > who knows how long !!! > There are still several parts that need work or replacing, but it sure > runs > nice ;o) > To borrow a line from a famous fellow - Life Is Good !!!! > Dwight Vivas > Matoaca, VA. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Mar 23 00:51:31 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:51:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200503230851.j2N8pYpK017612@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Curt, Most rallies have sufficient space down the centre of their compound to allow access for trucks and trailers. My bigger engines like the R&V and Austral are not something you can roll very far (especially on grass) but I have always been able to back the trailer right up to the display space for loading and unloading. Often it gets congested but it is a simple matter to pull out a star-picket, drop the fence, load the engine and put the fence up again. A certain club objected to a list member doing this and it has cost them his (and others) attendance to their once good rally (if you wish to know which club contact me off list). A couple of points as per the law. OH&S (certainly in NSW) only has authority if you are being paid to operate a piece of machinery. As we are operating our engines voluntarily they have no authority. We had some OH&S officials turn up at one of our club displays with their clipboards and started to push their weight around. They disappeared as soon as one of our club members who is pretty knowledgeable on such stuff called their bluff and reminded them they had no authority over us :) NSW now has slightly different public liability laws to limit the amount of payouts (and silly lawsuits). That should result in lower premiums in NSW so by there being a national insurance for the hobby are we subsidising the other states? ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed Mar 23 01:11:25 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:11:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Great engine day References: <7e.65e5feae.2f718b83@aol.com> Message-ID: <009701c52f88$4aad0d40$c23354d2@Cam> Good onya Dwight a nice old engine. Cam from OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 1:53 AM Subject: [SEL] Great engine day > G'day folks, > Monday was a great day for me ! I finally took delivery of an engine that > I > have been wanting for a very long time. The new toy is an 8hp R&T Austral > :-) > My engine buddy, Leo & I met Ron & Donna, who hauled the engine from From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed Mar 23 03:31:29 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:31:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy 2-1/2 HP E In-Reply-To: <002d01c52f40$f9642730$0c86a5d8@mycomputer> References: <002d01c52f40$f9642730$0c86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <42415391.5000304@wightman.ca> aHi Rex, I have had that happen many times when I restored an engine. Oilers leak and sometimes they used oil for cooling. Must have gotten really hot I would imagine. A couple of years ago, there was a whole thread on what people found in the hoppers of unrestored engines. All kinds of "treasures". Duncan Rex Hinz wrote: -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Mar 23 03:07:14 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:07:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba><4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> <007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris> G'Day Ron and All With all due respect, > I am sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an > accident to the public. and > And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until > they > put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be > allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the NHMA WHO SAID?, I am lead to believe the insurance person at the rally stated at the Friday Night Meeting that the insurance would be honoured even if there were no fences installed. We were told before the rally if we had problems with insurance talk to him, he made the statement (of which I did not hear first hand but there was a major discussion by everyone on Saturday), now you are hiding behind "its Association Guidelines", I can ensure you, clubs are not using them as guidelines but RULES you must 100% abide by, and some of the safety offices will make you believe it is the LAW, at Hayfield my transport wheels was 2 inches over the 1 metre line but the flywheel was a foot on the engine side of the line I was ordered to move the transport 2" so it would be totally 1 metre from fence (other list members were present), this is just crap and the Guidelines, stupid club officials and Gestapo safety officers are out of control. We have been constantly told by club and Association officials the OHS and insurance requirements drove the guidelines the way they were drafted, if you remember any of my posts last year they all had a common thread, that it was not necessary the insurance requirements but the association making up its own rules, if the statements of the insurance person is true then my thoughts are correct. As I have said many times I have no problems with the fences only the Guidelines / RULES that have been enforced on us by people that should have been looking after us for our enjoyment while running engines. In regards to the dogs I think we all know about Laws on unrestrained dogs, but reading Reg's post he was chatted by a club official at a rally, what bloody right has any club official got to administer the LAW, what is next, safety officers checking if our trailer is registered or not or if we had a tetanus shot encase we touch our rusty iron. To finalise I think a lot of people attending rallies are fed up with officials hiding behind legal (OHS and Insurance) issues and not doing the best for the people that run engines at rallies Just my 2 bobs worth nothing personal While I am in the writing mood, I had a great time at Naracoorte, was a good rally but I was totally pissed off to start with, after driving 1400 km I arrived at 6.00 pm Thursday night still with several hours of light, I made sure I was there Thursday as Friday was a run day for school kids, no problem just drove longer ot get there. Got to the gate to be told by some club official "Your too late come back tomorrow" what about unloading my engines first I said, I told you come back tommorow he said, no reason was given, as I departed I told him my bloody engines will stay in the trailer for the weekend, he just schrugged his shoulders. Arriving Friday morning to unload I was told by some other club official " you have half an hour to unload then get your car and trailer into the car park. I cannot believe the way some club officials carry on, it will be the last National I will take engines to as I dont need all the crap and importance clubs dish out to us that bring engines Kerry Morris Lithgow Oz > Hi Curt > > I don't know where people got the idea that the requirement for fences was > a LAW. Our legislators have not made LAWS in this regard however have > done > in other areas such as occupation and health. We, private citizens, even > if > we belong to a National body cannot make LAWS. In the case of our > Association we have not even made RULES. As I have stated before that the > Association has only issued GUIDELINES (there are reasons for this which I > have explained before) for the conduct of an engine rally, National or > otherwise. These have no standing in LAW, however, in saying that, I am > sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an > accident to the public. The last insurance policy I looked at included > reference to the guidelines. I have not seen the latest policy. > > In regards to your comment regarding laws about unrestrained animals (read > dogs). Yes the majority of councils if not all have laws regarding > unleashed dogs in public places and cleaning up their droppings as you go > a > long. In fact some councils provide bins and plastics bags for dog owners > for this purpose. It all stems from the number of dog attacks on humans > that we have had over the past few years, some resulting in death. And > the > other part is as a result of pedestrians stepping into the droppings. > However you can be lucky my place backs onto a "free range" area and my > dogs > can run loose and, best of all, I don't have to carry plastic bags. > > While I have been writing this I notice that Reg has commented. I agree > with you Reg. I would like to see the Insurers put it in writing. Bet > they > don't. > > And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until > they > put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be > allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the > NHMA. > > Ron > From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Mar 23 03:46:47 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:46:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba><4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris> Message-ID: <00c601c52f9d$ff187110$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Well said Kerry. Maybe it is time some of the NHMA members spent some time on the committee (only elected for two years) and sent out the message to the club officials not to be so officious. As you say we are only there to enjoy ourselves. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > G'Day Ron and All > > With all due respect, > > I am sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an > > accident to the public. > and > > And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until > > they > > put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be > > allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the NHMA > > WHO SAID?, I am lead to believe the insurance person at the rally stated at > the Friday Night Meeting that the insurance would be honoured even if there > were no fences installed. > We were told before the rally if we had problems with insurance talk to > him, he made the statement (of which I did not hear first hand but there > was a major discussion by everyone on Saturday), now you are hiding behind > "its Association Guidelines", I can ensure you, clubs are not using them as > guidelines but RULES you must 100% abide by, and some of the safety offices > will make you believe it is the LAW, at Hayfield my transport wheels was 2 > inches over the 1 metre line but the flywheel was a foot on the engine side > of the line I was ordered to move the transport 2" so it would be totally 1 > metre from fence (other list members were present), this is just crap and > the Guidelines, stupid club officials and Gestapo safety officers are out of > control. > > We have been constantly told by club and Association officials the OHS and > insurance requirements drove the guidelines the way they were drafted, if > you remember any of my posts last year they all had a common thread, that it > was not necessary the insurance requirements but the association making up > its own rules, if the statements of the insurance person is true then my > thoughts are correct. > > As I have said many times I have no problems with the fences only the > Guidelines / RULES that have been enforced on us by people that should have > been looking after us for our enjoyment while running engines. > > In regards to the dogs I think we all know about Laws on unrestrained dogs, > but reading Reg's post he was chatted by a club official at a rally, what > bloody right has any club official got to administer the LAW, what is next, > safety officers checking if our trailer is registered or not or if we had a > tetanus shot encase we touch our rusty iron. > > To finalise I think a lot of people attending rallies are fed up with > officials hiding behind legal (OHS and Insurance) issues and not doing the > best for the people that run engines at rallies > > Just my 2 bobs worth nothing personal > > While I am in the writing mood, I had a great time at Naracoorte, was a good > rally but I was totally pissed off to start with, after driving 1400 km I > arrived at 6.00 pm Thursday night still with several hours of light, I made > sure I was there Thursday as Friday was a run day for school kids, no > problem just drove longer ot get there. > Got to the gate to be told by some club official "Your too late come back > tomorrow" what about unloading my engines first I said, I told you come back > tommorow he said, no reason was given, as I departed I told him my bloody > engines will stay in the trailer for the weekend, he just schrugged his > shoulders. > Arriving Friday morning to unload I was told by some other club official " > you have half an hour to unload then get your car and trailer into the car > park. > I cannot believe the way some club officials carry on, it will be the last > National I will take engines to as I dont need all the crap and importance > clubs dish out to us that bring engines > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow Oz > > > Hi Curt > > > > I don't know where people got the idea that the requirement for fences was > > a LAW. Our legislators have not made LAWS in this regard however have > > done > > in other areas such as occupation and health. We, private citizens, even > > if > > we belong to a National body cannot make LAWS. In the case of our > > Association we have not even made RULES. As I have stated before that the > > Association has only issued GUIDELINES (there are reasons for this which I > > have explained before) for the conduct of an engine rally, National or > > otherwise. These have no standing in LAW, however, in saying that, I am > > sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an > > accident to the public. The last insurance policy I looked at included > > reference to the guidelines. I have not seen the latest policy. > > > > In regards to your comment regarding laws about unrestrained animals (read > > dogs). Yes the majority of councils if not all have laws regarding > > unleashed dogs in public places and cleaning up their droppings as you go > > a > > long. In fact some councils provide bins and plastics bags for dog owners > > for this purpose. It all stems from the number of dog attacks on humans > > that we have had over the past few years, some resulting in death. And > > the > > other part is as a result of pedestrians stepping into the droppings. > > However you can be lucky my place backs onto a "free range" area and my > > dogs > > can run loose and, best of all, I don't have to carry plastic bags. > > > > While I have been writing this I notice that Reg has commented. I agree > > with you Reg. I would like to see the Insurers put it in writing. Bet > > they > > don't. > > > > And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until > > they > > put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be > > allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the > > NHMA. > > > > Ron > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Mar 23 03:52:41 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:52:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris> Message-ID: <200503231152.j2NBqi0e064992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I am shocked Kerry. How dare you go to all the time and expense to take your engine to Heyfield and then belligerently put a wheel 2" out of place. To make matters worse you drive the short two day trip to South Australia and have the discourtesy to arrive just as the club were going to have a nap. Then you have the audacity to want enough time to safely unload your engine and set up your display. I hope this behavior continues long and loud! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Mar 23 03:54:30 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:54:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?) In-Reply-To: <008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> Message-ID: <200503231154.j2NBsWuE065540@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I had not thought of taking my dog to rallies with me. I am glad those great mates Reg and Barry brought it up :) Thanks for the idea. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Mar 23 04:00:48 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:00:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Moffat-Virtue badged Hercules Message-ID: <200503231200.j2NC0kNa067619@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I have been corresponding with a fellow collector who wanted to know who built his Moffat-Virtue badged engine. After a few descriptions I was still not 100% sure what he had, until he email me a picture. There is no doubt that the engine is a Hercules 3.5hp. I have not seen a M-V badged Hercules before. There is apparently no badge on the engine except the M-V one. Anyone else in Oz seen one of these? Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed Mar 23 04:09:11 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:09:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba><4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris> Message-ID: <00ce01c52fa1$1fccc200$c23354d2@Cam> While we are on this subject, I drove 1000 klm to the Heyfield National, parked my car and after setting up camp was told by one of these officials to shift it in no uncertain manor because I was 6ins over the yellow line marker. I think this was a bit over the fence. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > G'Day Ron and All > > With all due respect, >> I am sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an >> accident to the public. > and >> And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until >> they >> put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be >> allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the >> NHMA > > WHO SAID?, I am lead to believe the insurance person at the rally stated > at the Friday Night Meeting that the insurance would be honoured even if > there were no fences installed. > We were told before the rally if we had problems with insurance talk to > him, he made the statement (of which I did not hear first hand but there > was a major discussion by everyone on Saturday), now you are hiding behind > "its Association Guidelines", I can ensure you, clubs are not using them > as guidelines but RULES you must 100% abide by, and some of the safety > offices will make you believe it is the LAW, at Hayfield my transport > wheels was 2 inches over the 1 metre line but the flywheel was a foot on > the engine side of the line I was ordered to move the transport 2" so it > would be totally 1 metre from fence (other list members were present), > this is just crap and the Guidelines, stupid club officials and Gestapo > safety officers are out of control. > > We have been constantly told by club and Association officials the OHS and > insurance requirements drove the guidelines the way they were drafted, if > you remember any of my posts last year they all had a common thread, that > it was not necessary the insurance requirements but the association making > up its own rules, if the statements of the insurance person is true then > my thoughts are correct. > > As I have said many times I have no problems with the fences only the > Guidelines / RULES that have been enforced on us by people that should > have been looking after us for our enjoyment while running engines. > > In regards to the dogs I think we all know about Laws on unrestrained > dogs, but reading Reg's post he was chatted by a club official at a rally, > what bloody right has any club official got to administer the LAW, what is > next, safety officers checking if our trailer is registered or not or if > we had a tetanus shot encase we touch our rusty iron. > > To finalise I think a lot of people attending rallies are fed up with > officials hiding behind legal (OHS and Insurance) issues and not doing the > best for the people that run engines at rallies > > Just my 2 bobs worth nothing personal > > While I am in the writing mood, I had a great time at Naracoorte, was a > good rally but I was totally pissed off to start with, after driving 1400 > km I arrived at 6.00 pm Thursday night still with several hours of light, > I made sure I was there Thursday as Friday was a run day for school kids, > no problem just drove longer ot get there. > Got to the gate to be told by some club official "Your too late come back > tomorrow" what about unloading my engines first I said, I told you come > back tommorow he said, no reason was given, as I departed I told him my > bloody engines will stay in the trailer for the weekend, he just schrugged > his shoulders. > Arriving Friday morning to unload I was told by some other club official " > you have half an hour to unload then get your car and trailer into the car > park. > I cannot believe the way some club officials carry on, it will be the last > National I will take engines to as I dont need all the crap and importance > clubs dish out to us that bring engines > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow Oz > >> Hi Curt >> >> I don't know where people got the idea that the requirement for fences >> was >> a LAW. Our legislators have not made LAWS in this regard however have >> done >> in other areas such as occupation and health. We, private citizens, even >> if >> we belong to a National body cannot make LAWS. In the case of our >> Association we have not even made RULES. As I have stated before that >> the >> Association has only issued GUIDELINES (there are reasons for this which >> I >> have explained before) for the conduct of an engine rally, National or >> otherwise. These have no standing in LAW, however, in saying that, I am >> sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an >> accident to the public. The last insurance policy I looked at included >> reference to the guidelines. I have not seen the latest policy. >> >> In regards to your comment regarding laws about unrestrained animals >> (read >> dogs). Yes the majority of councils if not all have laws regarding >> unleashed dogs in public places and cleaning up their droppings as you go >> a >> long. In fact some councils provide bins and plastics bags for dog owners >> for this purpose. It all stems from the number of dog attacks on humans >> that we have had over the past few years, some resulting in death. And >> the >> other part is as a result of pedestrians stepping into the droppings. >> However you can be lucky my place backs onto a "free range" area and my >> dogs >> can run loose and, best of all, I don't have to carry plastic bags. >> >> While I have been writing this I notice that Reg has commented. I agree >> with you Reg. I would like to see the Insurers put it in writing. Bet >> they >> don't. >> >> And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until >> they >> put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be >> allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the >> NHMA. >> >> Ron >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Mar 23 05:14:38 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:14:38 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Insurance.....Star Pickets Message-ID: <004e01c52faa$49454770$0cc63dca@ogborneuah38i3> I hate to throw this in but a recent experience involving a claim by an exhibitor at a small agricultural show and an accident involving a star picket holding a tent being pulled out of the ground by a strong gust of wind, bears thinking about. Because the star picket was not hammered into the ground in what the insurance investigator said was the correct manner the claim was not met. The star picket was in the ground with just one of the three sides taking the strain ...it should have been reversed with two sides as in a Y shape taking the strain ,ie in compression. Work that one out. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Mar 23 05:18:20 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:18:20 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again....stick it up your arse! References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba><4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris> Message-ID: <006001c52faa$cc98a9f0$0cc63dca@ogborneuah38i3> Kerry ...if i had driven all the way from West Australia and was told that by an official ...I would have told him to stick his rally up his arse. Maybe i would have spent the time in aVineyard! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > G'Day Ron and All > > With all due respect, >> I am sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an >> accident to the public. > and >> And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until >> they >> put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be >> allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the >> NHMA > > WHO SAID?, I am lead to believe the insurance person at the rally stated > at the Friday Night Meeting that the insurance would be honoured even if > there were no fences installed. > We were told before the rally if we had problems with insurance talk to > him, he made the statement (of which I did not hear first hand but there > was a major discussion by everyone on Saturday), now you are hiding behind > "its Association Guidelines", I can ensure you, clubs are not using them > as guidelines but RULES you must 100% abide by, and some of the safety > offices will make you believe it is the LAW, at Hayfield my transport > wheels was 2 inches over the 1 metre line but the flywheel was a foot on > the engine side of the line I was ordered to move the transport 2" so it > would be totally 1 metre from fence (other list members were present), > this is just crap and the Guidelines, stupid club officials and Gestapo > safety officers are out of control. > > We have been constantly told by club and Association officials the OHS and > insurance requirements drove the guidelines the way they were drafted, if > you remember any of my posts last year they all had a common thread, that > it was not necessary the insurance requirements but the association making > up its own rules, if the statements of the insurance person is true then > my thoughts are correct. > > As I have said many times I have no problems with the fences only the > Guidelines / RULES that have been enforced on us by people that should > have been looking after us for our enjoyment while running engines. > > In regards to the dogs I think we all know about Laws on unrestrained > dogs, but reading Reg's post he was chatted by a club official at a rally, > what bloody right has any club official got to administer the LAW, what is > next, safety officers checking if our trailer is registered or not or if > we had a tetanus shot encase we touch our rusty iron. > > To finalise I think a lot of people attending rallies are fed up with > officials hiding behind legal (OHS and Insurance) issues and not doing the > best for the people that run engines at rallies > > Just my 2 bobs worth nothing personal > > While I am in the writing mood, I had a great time at Naracoorte, was a > good rally but I was totally pissed off to start with, after driving 1400 > km I arrived at 6.00 pm Thursday night still with several hours of light, > I made sure I was there Thursday as Friday was a run day for school kids, > no problem just drove longer ot get there. > Got to the gate to be told by some club official "Your too late come back > tomorrow" what about unloading my engines first I said, I told you come > back tommorow he said, no reason was given, as I departed I told him my > bloody engines will stay in the trailer for the weekend, he just schrugged > his shoulders. > Arriving Friday morning to unload I was told by some other club official " > you have half an hour to unload then get your car and trailer into the car > park. > I cannot believe the way some club officials carry on, it will be the last > National I will take engines to as I dont need all the crap and importance > clubs dish out to us that bring engines > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow Oz > >> Hi Curt >> >> I don't know where people got the idea that the requirement for fences >> was >> a LAW. Our legislators have not made LAWS in this regard however have >> done >> in other areas such as occupation and health. We, private citizens, even >> if >> we belong to a National body cannot make LAWS. In the case of our >> Association we have not even made RULES. As I have stated before that >> the >> Association has only issued GUIDELINES (there are reasons for this which >> I >> have explained before) for the conduct of an engine rally, National or >> otherwise. These have no standing in LAW, however, in saying that, I am >> sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an >> accident to the public. The last insurance policy I looked at included >> reference to the guidelines. I have not seen the latest policy. >> >> In regards to your comment regarding laws about unrestrained animals >> (read >> dogs). Yes the majority of councils if not all have laws regarding >> unleashed dogs in public places and cleaning up their droppings as you go >> a >> long. In fact some councils provide bins and plastics bags for dog owners >> for this purpose. It all stems from the number of dog attacks on humans >> that we have had over the past few years, some resulting in death. And >> the >> other part is as a result of pedestrians stepping into the droppings. >> However you can be lucky my place backs onto a "free range" area and my >> dogs >> can run loose and, best of all, I don't have to carry plastic bags. >> >> While I have been writing this I notice that Reg has commented. I agree >> with you Reg. I would like to see the Insurers put it in writing. Bet >> they >> don't. >> >> And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until >> they >> put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be >> allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the >> NHMA. >> >> Ron >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From marvhed at ecenet.com Wed Mar 23 05:42:43 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:42:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home In-Reply-To: <31288.199.62.0.252.1111581105.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <31288.199.62.0.252.1111581105.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <50666.199.62.0.252.1111585363.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> a dream come true!! i'm now the new caretaker of this 1906 2HP open crankcase Otto vertical. he came home last night after a long trip from Nevada. pics at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538 Marvin Otto Hedberg (yes, my middle name really is Otto :-)) marv in minn esota From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 23 05:47:57 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:47:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Webster Dust Cover References: <200503221603.j2MG3dHV065829@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <026401c52f1c$b7e316f0$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: Dave, go here and I hope you can save and have software so that you can zoom in on it. Extracted from Doc Schuster's WEbster book: http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/303166453rTnIAJ rickinmt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:21 PM Subject: [SEL] Webster Dust Cover > I need help settling an argument. What was the original color of the dust > cover on Webster mags? Especially the early ones that were brass and the > later ones that are pot metal. > Thanks in advance > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brock at netspeed.com.au Wed Mar 23 05:54:58 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:54:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home References: <31288.199.62.0.252.1111581105.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> <50666.199.62.0.252.1111585363.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <00a501c52faf$e8df2e90$5f11fea9@merlin> that is one fantastic engine if you want you can send it over to me i,ll look after it for you Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 12:42 AM Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home > a dream come true!! > i'm now the new caretaker of this 1906 2HP open crankcase Otto vertical. > he came home last night after a long trip from Nevada. > > pics at: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538 > > Marvin Otto Hedberg > (yes, my middle name really is Otto :-)) > marv in minn esota > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Mar 23 06:54:25 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:54:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris> References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba><4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> <007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris> Message-ID: <42418321.4040705@imc-group.com> Kerry wrote: > While I am in the writing mood, I had a great time at Naracoorte, was > a good rally but I was totally pissed off to start with, after driving > 1400 km I arrived at 6.00 pm Thursday night still with several hours > of light, I made sure I was there Thursday as Friday was a run day for > school kids, no problem just drove longer ot get there. > Got to the gate to be told by some club official "Your too late come > back tomorrow" what about unloading my engines first I said, I told > you come back tommorow he said, no reason was given, as I departed I > told him my bloody engines will stay in the trailer for the weekend, > he just schrugged his shoulders. > Arriving Friday morning to unload I was told by some other club > official " you have half an hour to unload then get your car and > trailer into the car park. > I cannot believe the way some club officials carry on, it will be the > last National I will take engines to as I dont need all the crap and > importance clubs dish out to us that bring engines Kerry, I have to admit I was a little taken back when we were turned away at 6:00 in the evening after the long drive. You may have been "totally pissed off" but we couldn't tell it. Your Aussie elegance prevailed! I never heard a good explanation as to why the ralley grounds were closed so early (or why they were closed at all for that matter). In the states I only know of one show (Denton Farm Park) that closes the gates in the evening. All the other shows we can expect to arrive late in the evening and set up our stuff and camp for the night. Many of our shows are Saturday only events. By having an open policy this permits one to work until the normal time on Friday afternoon, come home, hook up the trailer, and head to the ralley grounds. It is convenient to camp out and this lets us sleep in a bit on Saturday morning at the grounds. I imagine the closed gate policy at Naracoorte really impacted the local folks bringing large numbers of engines in late. Does anyone really know why the closed grounds policy exists at all? They had security officers there. If there is a theft concern, by simply saying unloading is acceptable but loading is not, this should solve the concern. Has there ever been a theft at a National ralley? It is hard to imagine there would be a theft problem. If an individual was caught, he would be blackballed from the hobby forever by his peers. I believe it would be appropriate to gather all these comments from the SEL and send them to both the organizers of the Naracoorte ralley and the next ralley in Queensland. I had an issue with the Denton Farm park show a few years ago and the SEL was a great sounding board. I made copies of the SEL comments and included those with the letter I sent them. The combination was effective enough to change a policy. I don't attend Denton anymore but I was pleased to get at least one of the silly policies changed. The Denton show is the one show in the states that has invoked so many rules and regulations that there is no enjoyment for us in attending. If you, the attendees of your Nationals, present your concerns in advance of the next National, you will have a reasonable chance of turning things around into a ralley you will pleased to attend. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 23 07:03:26 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:03:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" In-Reply-To: <834f20fc4a826af80a97c765d47b5b41@chartertn.net> References: <004601c52f51$c20e4a20$a2631f40@ibm22761389857> <834f20fc4a826af80a97c765d47b5b41@chartertn.net> Message-ID: Not to be confused with Bambi & Nitro who have been referred to in the same way from time to time... On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, John Culp wrote: > Also known as "fast and loose." From curt at imc-group.com Wed Mar 23 07:12:13 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:12:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin> References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> <000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <4241874D.5020104@imc-group.com> Brock, I was so focused on taking engine and steamer pictures I failed to take a picture of the entire grounds. I'd like one if someone did. Curt P.S. Heard LOTS of wild stories about you at Narracoorte! ....Happy Birthday! Brock Summerfield wrote: > G,day Curt > > i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the > constuction industry mainly working on roads > and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia > bigger version of a withes hat > we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic > PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > >> Barry, >> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all >> claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the >> Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but there >> was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences >> were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash against >> the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting one >> of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT a >> requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a >> decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that said, >> I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz >> book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine >> legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps local >> ordinances could dictate....but laws? >> >> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their >> impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at engines >> from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are >> to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm guessing >> the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres >> long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This >> arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite difficult >> unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who >> would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it >> yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length of >> the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the >> compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side >> toward the fence. >> >> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering >> down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with >> the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not >> going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could >> get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study >> them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange >> business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators to >> clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From >> inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we >> were in side shaft heaven! >> >> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair >> of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white bum >> showing in public was against the law too ;-) >> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than >> from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) >> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. >> >> >> Barry Gorman wrote: >> >>> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , >>> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled >>> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to >>> throw the blame in the wrong direction , >>> Regards , >>> Barry Gorman >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 23 07:15:59 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:15:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris> References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba><4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> <007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris> Message-ID: G'day Kerry, I think the ONLY way that you'll get the attention of these clubs and their Gestapo members is to organize boycotts of the club shows in question. You'll need to get enough participation so that the diminished exhibitor numbers are obvious and the organizers NEED to know WHY they are being boycotted. Signs posted (or carried) outside the venue to inform the public would also help. If folks continue to attend and only bitch, you accomplish nothing. If only a few exhibitors give the show a pass you accomplish nothing. The mind boggles at this sort of behaviour. Especially at a National event. WHAT are these people thinking? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Kerry wrote: > guidelines but RULES you must 100% abide by, and some of the safety offices > will make you believe it is the LAW, at Hayfield my transport wheels was 2 > inches over the 1 metre line but the flywheel was a foot on the engine side > of the line I was ordered to move the transport 2" so it would be totally 1 > metre from fence (other list members were present), this is just crap and > the Guidelines, stupid club officials and Gestapo safety officers are out of > control. > > While I am in the writing mood, I had a great time at Naracoorte, was a good > rally but I was totally pissed off to start with, after driving 1400 km I > arrived at 6.00 pm Thursday night still with several hours of light, I made > sure I was there Thursday as Friday was a run day for school kids, no > problem just drove longer ot get there. > Got to the gate to be told by some club official "Your too late come back > tomorrow" what about unloading my engines first I said, I told you come back > tommorow he said, no reason was given, as I departed I told him my bloody > engines will stay in the trailer for the weekend, he just schrugged his > shoulders. > Arriving Friday morning to unload I was told by some other club official " > you have half an hour to unload then get your car and trailer into the car > park. > I cannot believe the way some club officials carry on, it will be the last > National I will take engines to as I dont need all the crap and importance > clubs dish out to us that bring engines From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 23 07:23:22 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:23:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home In-Reply-To: <50666.199.62.0.252.1111585363.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <31288.199.62.0.252.1111581105.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> <50666.199.62.0.252.1111585363.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Bloody hell that's gorgeous!! Congrats!! The first time I saw one of those running was at Sistersville a few years ago. I must have watched that governor side mesmerized for half an hour. I love those engines! See ya, Arnie On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > a dream come true!! > i'm now the new caretaker of this 1906 2HP open crankcase Otto vertical. > he came home last night after a long trip from Nevada. > > pics at: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538 From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Mar 23 07:25:25 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:25:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home In-Reply-To: <50666.199.62.0.252.1111585363.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <31288.199.62.0.252.1111581105.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> <50666.199.62.0.252.1111585363.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <42418A65.1040005@scrtc.com> Nice hunk of iron Marv. I think I have seen that one before somewhere (the paint, tank, etc. looks familar). But, it could have been 20 or 30 years ago and no telling where that was. You've got a dandy there. I can "smell" a model of it in the works! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > a dream come true!! > i'm now the new caretaker of this 1906 2HP open crankcase Otto vertical. > he came home last night after a long trip from Nevada. > > pics at: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538 > > Marvin Otto Hedberg > (yes, my middle name really is Otto :-)) > marv in minn esota > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Mar 23 07:29:43 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:29:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home In-Reply-To: <50666.199.62.0.252.1111585363.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <200503231529.j2NFTjAO033842@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > i'm now the new caretaker of this 1906 2HP open crankcase > Otto vertical. he came home last night after a long trip from Nevada. > > pics at: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538 Hi Marv Otto, That's really a nice engine. Thanks for sharing the pictures. Rob From Vivas1993 at aol.com Wed Mar 23 07:34:31 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:34:31 EST Subject: [SEL] Great engine day Message-ID: <144.421d2321.2f72e687@aol.com> Hey everyone, Thanks for all of the positive responces ! I've got quite a bit to learn about this engine, but it will be fun ;o) I do have a few pictures of the Austral, but I'm not sure where or how to post them, advice is always welcome. As far as a picture of the new happy owner with the engine, let's just say I wouldn't want to mess up a picture of a nice engine !!! Regards to all ! Dwight Matoaca, VA. From curt at imc-group.com Wed Mar 23 07:47:41 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:47:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> <007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <42418F9D.5040206@imc-group.com> Ron Page wrote: >Hi Curt > > I don't know where people got the idea that the requirement for fences was >a LAW. Our legislators have not made LAWS in this regard however have done >in other areas such as occupation and health. We, private citizens, even if >we belong to a National body cannot make LAWS. In the case of our >Association we have not even made RULES. As I have stated before that the >Association has only issued GUIDELINES (there are reasons for this which I >have explained before) for the conduct of an engine rally, National or >otherwise. These have no standing in LAW, however, in saying that, I am >sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an >accident to the public. The last insurance policy I looked at included >reference to the guidelines. I have not seen the latest policy. > > Ron, As I looked at the compounds I could only begin to guess what the thousands of posts, the labor to dig them, the many kilometres of fence material, and the labour to erect all of it must have cost the organizers! It has to be a staggering number. I find your comments about the insurer using the organizers interesting and I believe you have hit the nail on the head. Sounds like the insurance companies are doing their best to lead organizers to believe that the compounds are required to assure that the insurance companies assume virtually no risk. At the very least this is unethical. Sounds like show organizers need to find out exactly what is required and what laws really exist and don't exist. If the compounds are not a requirement, show organizers stand to save a considerable sum of money not having to install them. In the States we simply ask folks displaying engines to set a few posts around their displays and hang a rope on it. Some displays do and some don't. It is up to the show organizers and is never dictated by the insurance company. In fact you will never see a representative of an insurance company at a show. Curt From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed Mar 23 07:50:12 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:50:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home In-Reply-To: <50666.199.62.0.252.1111585363.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Wow Marv, I'd change my middle name to Otto to have one of those! Really nice engine ya got there. Hope to see it in person some day. Congratulations, Steve OTTO Royster >From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home >Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:42:43 -0600 (CST) > > a dream come true!! > i'm now the new caretaker of this 1906 2HP open crankcase Otto vertical. > he came home last night after a long trip from Nevada. > > pics at: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538 > > Marvin Otto Hedberg > (yes, my middle name really is Otto :-)) > marv in minn esota > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marvhed at ecenet.com Wed Mar 23 09:11:34 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:11:34 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home In-Reply-To: <42418A65.1040005@scrtc.com> References: <31288.199.62.0.252.1111581105.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> <50666.199.62.0.252.1111585363.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> <42418A65.1040005@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <30982.199.62.0.252.1111597894.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> i bought it from Evelyn Williams in nevada. i don't know where they got it from. Kevin Withers said he's seen it before too. model?? i think i better get a few KC's done first :-) (but you never know what will be after that!!) thanks, marv > Nice hunk of iron Marv. I think I have seen that one before somewhere > (the paint, tank, etc. looks familar). But, it could have been 20 or 30 > years ago and no telling where that was. You've got a dandy there. I > can "smell" a model of it in the works! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > >> a dream come true!! >> i'm now the new caretaker of this 1906 2HP open crankcase Otto vertical. >> he came home last night after a long trip from Nevada. >> >> pics at: >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538 >> >> Marvin Otto Hedberg >> (yes, my middle name really is Otto :-)) >> marv in minn esota From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 23 05:54:08 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:54:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" References: <100.fd3118a.2f72337d@aol.com> Message-ID: I would assume then that the "driver" pulley would have to be wide enought so the belt stayed put?....whether on an engine or lineshaft. Thanks much Rickinmt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" > Hi Rick, > The main reason for the 2 pulleys is that you didn't have to have a > clutch > on every piece of equipment that was driven by the lineshaft, or shut down > the > engine when that piece of equipment wasn't in use. > All you had to do was slide the belt over to the loose pulley, to stop > the > pump, or what ever else was being powered. The belt would keep moving, but > what > was being powered would stop. > Take care, > Dwight > Matoaca, VA. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Mar 23 09:51:31 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:51:31 EST Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" Message-ID: <66.53846661.2f7306a3@aol.com> Hi Rick, I suspect, but can't say for sure, that having all the pulleys involved "crowned" is enough to allow for some misalignment without the belt running off. If I were setting it up, I would try for aligning the power source pulley with the driven pulley, and let the idler pulley be a little out of alignment. What's your situation? Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA In a message dated 3/23/2005 11:44:34 AM Central Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: I would assume then that the "driver" pulley would have to be wide enought so the belt stayed put?....whether on an engine or lineshaft. Thanks much Rickinmt. From nick at holden1.net Wed Mar 23 10:49:42 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:49:42 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Great engine day References: <144.421d2321.2f72e687@aol.com> Message-ID: <4241BA46.000001.00788@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Dwight just go to http://photo.epson.com/ and set up an account its free upload your photos and put in a link so we can all see Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4284455&a=31644863&f= -------Original Message------- From: Vivas1993 at aol.com Date: 03/23/05 15:47:48 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Great engine day Hey everyone, Thanks for all of the positive responces ! I've got quite a bit to learn about this engine, but it will be fun ;o) I do have a few pictures of the Austral, but I'm not sure where or how to post them, advice is always welcome. As far as a picture of the new happy owner with the engine, let's just say I wouldn't want to mess up a picture of a nice engine !!! Regards to all ! Dwight Matoaca, VA. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 23 10:59:17 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:59:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Bob Shaw Message-ID: <007601c52fda$6c0a5680$230110ac@PAUL> Folks I am looking for a telephone number for: Bob Shaw 67 cherry st. Bridgewater, MA 02324 United States His E-bay name is Tractorcartrucks Can someone help me with a telephone number. Paul From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 23 11:10:00 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:10:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" References: <66.53846661.2f7306a3@aol.com> Message-ID: > Hi Rick, > > I suspect, but can't say for sure, that having all the pulleys involved > "crowned" is enough to allow for some misalignment without the belt > running off. > If I were setting it up, I would try for aligning the power source pulley > with > the driven pulley, and let the idler pulley be a little out of alignment. > What's your situation? No situation yet Ron. Just nice to know trivia in case we ever get our line shaft. HEY THANKS GUYS!!! RickinMt. From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Mar 23 12:26:20 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:26:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" Message-ID: <20050323.153205.580.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rick, The belt doesn't need to be any wider than the pulley. If they're anywhere near lined up - it'll work. Providing thay have the proper crown. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:54:08 -0700 "Richard Strobel" writes: > I would assume then that the "driver" pulley would have to be wide > enought > so the belt stayed put?....whether on an engine or lineshaft. > > Thanks much > Rickinmt. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 7:50 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" > > > > Hi Rick, > > The main reason for the 2 pulleys is that you didn't have to have > a > > clutch > > on every piece of equipment that was driven by the lineshaft, or > shut down > > the > > engine when that piece of equipment wasn't in use. > > All you had to do was slide the belt over to the loose pulley, to > stop > > the > > pump, or what ever else was being powered. The belt would keep > moving, but > > what > > was being powered would stop. > > Take care, > > Dwight > > Matoaca, VA. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 23 12:41:00 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:41:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Semi-OT: Flats & bevels on nuts Message-ID: <20050323204100.13111.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com> Usually the flat, or flattest, bearing end of a nut faces or goes in contact with whatever it is holding. This is because nuts need as much contact as possible to distribute the pressure over the greatest area possible, which keeps the pressure-bearing surface from becoming distorted. If it gets distorted, then the last part of the thread where it emerges from the inside of the nut may get damaged, with the consequence that the bolt or stud thread may get badly torn up when the nut is removed, or make getting it off very difficult. Sometimes the bevels on the very tips of the wrench flats get machined so that they extend too far into the pressure-bearing surface of the nut. This is because the operators who maintain the nut making machines don?t do a very good job of adjusting the cutting tools when the machines are maintained. Some of you may remember my rant about commercially made pipefittings, which suffer from the same improper machine set-up. With nuts, if a lock washer is used (which is usually the case), then it is a moot point which way the nut faces, but just as long as the flat is wider than the lock washer. If you look at a lock washer you will see that there is a bevel on its inside edges so that they do not bear on the last part of the thread where it emerges from the nut. Despite this feature, lock washers quite often have their chisel points angled so that they chew up the thread on the nut anyway, but at least it usually does not cause any harm because metal is removed rather than getting mashed into the thread groove. The reasons why the tips of the wrench flats are machined on a bevel are to facilitate getting box and socket wrenches onto the nut as well as to keep from tearing up the mechanic?s fingers and knuckles. At least in theory! I have worked on a lot of machines that had sharp-edges on the nuts and bolt heads and they just tore my fingertips to pieces. Work and play safely! Rich ~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\: From curt at imc-group.com Wed Mar 23 12:55:13 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:55:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP Message-ID: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com> Guy and gals, I need some assistance with a problem I am having with how Windoze XP lists directories of files. Got new computers here and so I've trying to learn XP after years of running 98. Have found a XP glitch that is creating a bit of havoc for us. In both explorer and the cad programs, XP is arranging the numbered files differently than did 98. In 98 we would save drawings as a 3 digit number with no revision but with a description. And the revisions, a 5 digit number with no description would fall underneath. Such as: 235 Feed Roll 23501 23502 23503 236 Timing shaft 23601 23602 237 Belt drive assy 23701 However in XP it is showing directories as: 235 Feed Roll 236 Timing Shaft 237 Belt drive assy 23501 23501 23503 23601 23602 23701 As you can imagine this will create havoc when we goto look for the latest revision. I almost made that mistake today when looking for p/n 235. When I looked I found 235 Feed Roll and looking directly under it there were no revisions. I printed that drawing. Only because I knew there were revisions, did I know to find out where the "missing" drawings were located. In fact I had to goto the Win 98 server to find the "missing" files. Only after I studied this a bit did I discover the directory listing problem. Do you know if it is simply a matter of clicking something in one of the menus to make this directory list p/n's as did Win98? The thought of having to rename every p/n's 0 revision such as 23500 Feed Roll is out of the question. A tremendous amount of work for the 10's of thousands of drawings we have! Thanks for any help you can offer. I am at curt at imc-group.com Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Mar 23 13:02:56 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:02:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Moffat-Virtue badged Hercules References: <200503231200.j2NC0kNa067619@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000b01c52feb$b09fa640$3084dccb@oemcomputer> There was a 2.5S at a auction in Mudgee about 6 years ago badged as a Moffit.A friend of mine got it.It was set up with a gear driven pump that was also badged as a Moffit. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 11:00 Subject: [SEL] Moffat-Virtue badged Hercules > I have been corresponding with a fellow collector who wanted to know who > built his Moffat-Virtue badged engine. After a few descriptions I was still > not 100% sure what he had, until he email me a picture. There is no doubt > that the engine is a Hercules 3.5hp. I have not seen a M-V badged Hercules > before. There is apparently no badge on the engine except the M-V one. > Anyone else in Oz seen one of these? > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Mar 23 13:08:48 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:08:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin> <4241874D.5020104@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002301c52fec$82701ce0$3084dccb@oemcomputer> Hay Curt,They are all true!!!!!!!!!!! EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:12 Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Brock, > I was so focused on taking engine and steamer pictures I failed to take > a picture of the entire grounds. I'd like one if someone did. > Curt > P.S. Heard LOTS of wild stories about you at Narracoorte! ....Happy > Birthday! > > Brock Summerfield wrote: > > > G,day Curt > > > > i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the > > constuction industry mainly working on roads > > and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia > > bigger version of a withes hat > > we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic > > PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > > > > >> Barry, > >> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all > >> claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the > >> Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but there > >> was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences > >> were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash against > >> the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting one > >> of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT a > >> requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a > >> decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that said, > >> I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz > >> book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine > >> legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps local > >> ordinances could dictate....but laws? > >> > >> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their > >> impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at engines > >> from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are > >> to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm guessing > >> the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres > >> long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This > >> arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite difficult > >> unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who > >> would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it > >> yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length of > >> the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the > >> compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side > >> toward the fence. > >> > >> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering > >> down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with > >> the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not > >> going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could > >> get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study > >> them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange > >> business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators to > >> clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From > >> inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we > >> were in side shaft heaven! > >> > >> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair > >> of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white bum > >> showing in public was against the law too ;-) > >> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than > >> from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) > >> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... > >> Curt Holland > >> Gastonia, NC > >> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. > >> > >> > >> Barry Gorman wrote: > >> > >>> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , > >>> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled > >>> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to > >>> throw the blame in the wrong direction , > >>> Regards , > >>> Barry Gorman > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Mar 23 13:40:38 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:40:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP In-Reply-To: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200503232141.j2NLf9VK044071@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Welcome to LFNs XP is doing it properly, Win98 was not. Long file names are native to XP, it was a hack in 98 to make them work. Note that the list is ordered properly numerically in XP - 235, 236, etc THEN the larger numbers is correct. 235, 23501, etc then 236 is not numerically correct. Renaming is the only choice the way I'm seeing it. I never ever use spaces - even in XP - I use a dash or underscore, like 235-feed-roll. This way I know scripts, etc. that I might write to handle file manipulation won't be thrown by spaces. (I discourage people at work from using spaces in file names for that reason -it throws scripts for a loop) Maybe someone else here knows of a registry hack that might help - you might even write to PCMagazine..... Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 2:55 PM To: SEL Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP Guy and gals, I need some assistance with a problem I am having with how Windoze XP lists directories of files. Got new computers here and so I've trying to learn XP after years of running 98. Have found a XP glitch that is creating a bit of havoc for us. In both explorer and the cad programs, XP is arranging the numbered files differently than did 98. In 98 we would save drawings as a 3 digit number with no revision but with a description. And the revisions, a 5 digit number with no description would fall underneath. Such as: 235 Feed Roll 23501 23502 23503 236 Timing shaft 23601 23602 237 Belt drive assy 23701 However in XP it is showing directories as: 235 Feed Roll 236 Timing Shaft 237 Belt drive assy 23501 23501 23503 23601 23602 23701 As you can imagine this will create havoc when we goto look for the latest revision. I almost made that mistake today when looking for p/n 235. When I looked I found 235 Feed Roll and looking directly under it there were no revisions. I printed that drawing. Only because I knew there were revisions, did I know to find out where the "missing" drawings were located. In fact I had to goto the Win 98 server to find the "missing" files. Only after I studied this a bit did I discover the directory listing problem. Do you know if it is simply a matter of clicking something in one of the menus to make this directory list p/n's as did Win98? The thought of having to rename every p/n's 0 revision such as 23500 Feed Roll is out of the question. A tremendous amount of work for the 10's of thousands of drawings we have! Thanks for any help you can offer. I am at curt at imc-group.com Curt Holland Gastonia, NC _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Mar 23 13:56:54 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:56:54 EST Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home Message-ID: <1a8.343b727f.2f734026@aol.com> In a message dated 3/23/2005 9:13:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, marvhed at ecenet.com writes: << i'm now the new caretaker of this 1906 2HP open crankcase Otto vertical. he came home last night after a long trip from Nevada. >> Marvin Otto, A beautiful engine indeed! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 23 14:11:00 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:11:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP References: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Have the same problem Curt, It's renamed everyone of my jpegs...aarrrghhh Good Luck and I'll do some reading tonight...aaarrghh again RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP > Guy and gals, > I need some assistance with a problem I am having with how Windoze XP > lists directories of files. Got new computers here and so I've trying to > learn XP after years of running 98. > > Have found a XP glitch that is creating a bit of havoc for us. In both > explorer and the cad programs, XP is arranging the numbered files > differently than did 98. > > In 98 we would save drawings as a 3 digit number with no revision but > with a description. And the revisions, a 5 digit number with no > description would fall underneath. Such as: > > 235 Feed Roll > 23501 > 23502 > 23503 > 236 Timing shaft > 23601 > 23602 > 237 Belt drive assy > 23701 > > However in XP it is showing directories as: > > 235 Feed Roll > 236 Timing Shaft > 237 Belt drive assy > 23501 > 23501 > 23503 > 23601 > 23602 > 23701 > > As you can imagine this will create havoc when we goto look for the > latest revision. I almost made that mistake today when looking for p/n > 235. When I looked I found 235 Feed Roll and looking directly under it > there were no revisions. I printed that drawing. Only because I knew > there were revisions, did I know to find out where the "missing" > drawings were located. In fact I had to goto the Win 98 server to find > the "missing" files. Only after I studied this a bit did I discover the > directory listing problem. > > Do you know if it is simply a matter of clicking something in one of the > menus to make this directory list p/n's as did Win98? > > The thought of having to rename every p/n's 0 revision such as 23500 > Feed Roll is out of the question. A tremendous amount of work for the > 10's of thousands of drawings we have! > > Thanks for any help you can offer. I am at curt at imc-group.com > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Vivas1993 at aol.com Wed Mar 23 14:39:57 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:39:57 EST Subject: [SEL] Great engine day Message-ID: Hi Nick, Thanks. I just might try that out, as I do have quite a few photo's that I'd like to post. I've sent Ken Christison a few of the Austral pictures, and he's going to post them later on today. Take care, Dwight Matoaca, VA. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 23 14:44:06 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:44:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP References: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Curt, here's what I did and it seems to work. Do NOT use one of the installed programs to transfer. Insert backup CD, then click on My Computer and double click the CD drive. Select all, then click on copy to hardrive/folder or something like that. I created a new temp folder and copied a $hit pot full of engine pictures and they have the original name. Hopefully this will work for you. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP > Guy and gals, > I need some assistance with a problem I am having with how Windoze XP > lists directories of files. Got new computers here and so I've trying to > learn XP after years of running 98. > > Have found a XP glitch that is creating a bit of havoc for us. In both > explorer and the cad programs, XP is arranging the numbered files > differently than did 98. > > In 98 we would save drawings as a 3 digit number with no revision but > with a description. And the revisions, a 5 digit number with no > description would fall underneath. Such as: > > 235 Feed Roll > 23501 > 23502 > 23503 > 236 Timing shaft > 23601 > 23602 > 237 Belt drive assy > 23701 > > However in XP it is showing directories as: > > 235 Feed Roll > 236 Timing Shaft > 237 Belt drive assy > 23501 > 23501 > 23503 > 23601 > 23602 > 23701 > > As you can imagine this will create havoc when we goto look for the > latest revision. I almost made that mistake today when looking for p/n > 235. When I looked I found 235 Feed Roll and looking directly under it > there were no revisions. I printed that drawing. Only because I knew > there were revisions, did I know to find out where the "missing" > drawings were located. In fact I had to goto the Win 98 server to find > the "missing" files. Only after I studied this a bit did I discover the > directory listing problem. > > Do you know if it is simply a matter of clicking something in one of the > menus to make this directory list p/n's as did Win98? > > The thought of having to rename every p/n's 0 revision such as 23500 > Feed Roll is out of the question. A tremendous amount of work for the > 10's of thousands of drawings we have! > > Thanks for any help you can offer. I am at curt at imc-group.com > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 23 14:48:21 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:48:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Insurance.....Star Pickets Message-ID: Hi Peter, as you and every one else knows all insurance companies will find a way out of paying out . I've worked on farms most of my life and have never had anyone show me that a star picket went in a certain way as most are used in a fence line. Dave >From: "peter ogborne" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] Insurance.....Star Pickets >Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:14:38 +0800 > >I hate to throw this in but a recent experience involving a claim by an >exhibitor at a small agricultural show and an accident involving a star >picket holding a tent being pulled out of the ground by a strong gust of >wind, bears thinking about. >Because the star picket was not hammered into the ground in what the >insurance investigator said was the correct manner the claim was not met. >The star picket was in the ground with just one of the three sides taking >the strain ...it should have been reversed with two sides as in a Y shape >taking the strain ,ie in compression. >Work that one out. >Peter Ogborne >Little Grove ,Albany >West Australia >''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >jopeter at omninet.net.au > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Find love today with ninemsn personals. Click here: http://ninemsn.match.com?referrer=hotmailtagline From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Wed Mar 23 14:38:23 2005 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:08:23 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba><4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris> Message-ID: <00c601c52ffa$a96623e0$88a2fea9@adsl> Kerry I will pass your comments on. Because of my daughters illness and not being around prior to the rally, I dont know the reason. I do know there was a fair amount of tension between some committee members, but I do know that security was a big issue. In regards to Safety, I know the safety officer took a reasonably fair approach to the whole subject. HE let people exhibit with some things which I would have questioned. Out of interest, it is quoted that around 22000 people attended the Rally. Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > While I am in the writing mood, I had a great time at Naracoorte, was a good > rally but I was totally pissed off to start with, after driving 1400 km I > arrived at 6.00 pm Thursday night still with several hours of light, I made > sure I was there Thursday as Friday was a run day for school kids, no > problem just drove longer ot get there. > Got to the gate to be told by some club official "Your too late come back > tomorrow" what about unloading my engines first I said, I told you come back > tommorow he said, no reason was given, as I departed I told him my bloody > engines will stay in the trailer for the weekend, he just schrugged his > shoulders. > Arriving Friday morning to unload I was told by some other club official " > you have half an hour to unload then get your car and trailer into the car > park. > I cannot believe the way some club officials carry on, it will be the last > National I will take engines to as I dont need all the crap and importance > clubs dish out to us that bring engines > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow Oz > > > Hi Curt > > > > I don't know where people got the idea that the requirement for fences was > > a LAW. Our legislators have not made LAWS in this regard however have > > done > > in other areas such as occupation and health. We, private citizens, even > > if > > we belong to a National body cannot make LAWS. In the case of our > > Association we have not even made RULES. As I have stated before that the > > Association has only issued GUIDELINES (there are reasons for this which I > > have explained before) for the conduct of an engine rally, National or > > otherwise. These have no standing in LAW, however, in saying that, I am > > sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an > > accident to the public. The last insurance policy I looked at included > > reference to the guidelines. I have not seen the latest policy. > > > > In regards to your comment regarding laws about unrestrained animals (read > > dogs). Yes the majority of councils if not all have laws regarding > > unleashed dogs in public places and cleaning up their droppings as you go > > a > > long. In fact some councils provide bins and plastics bags for dog owners > > for this purpose. It all stems from the number of dog attacks on humans > > that we have had over the past few years, some resulting in death. And > > the > > other part is as a result of pedestrians stepping into the droppings. > > However you can be lucky my place backs onto a "free range" area and my > > dogs > > can run loose and, best of all, I don't have to carry plastic bags. > > > > While I have been writing this I notice that Reg has commented. I agree > > with you Reg. I would like to see the Insurers put it in writing. Bet > > they > > don't. > > > > And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until > > they > > put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be > > allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the > > NHMA. > > > > Ron > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Wed Mar 23 14:43:53 2005 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:13:53 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba><4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris> <00c601c52f9d$ff187110$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <00c701c52ffa$ac0ba160$88a2fea9@adsl> Ron, As a member of the Organising Club I noticed that some of those officials who were "enforcing" matters were not members of the Naracoorte Club. I think in this debate over Nation Rallies one thing that has come to my realisation is that any club only has one opportunity to run the rally. There are very few guidelines given by NHMA on how it should be done. NAracoorte made plenty of mistakes, as I bet every club who has previously run one did and so will those who run them in the future. In all this I have not found anyone that did not enjoy the experience. Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Well said Kerry. Maybe it is time some of the NHMA members spent some time > on the committee (only elected for two years) and sent out the message to > the club officials not to be so officious. As you say we are only there to > enjoy ourselves. > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerry" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:07 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > > > G'Day Ron and All > > > > With all due respect, > > > I am sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of > an > > > accident to the public. > > and > > > And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until > > > they > > > put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not > be > > > allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the > NHMA > > > > WHO SAID?, I am lead to believe the insurance person at the rally stated > at > > the Friday Night Meeting that the insurance would be honoured even if > there > > were no fences installed. > > We were told before the rally if we had problems with insurance talk to > > him, he made the statement (of which I did not hear first hand but there > > was a major discussion by everyone on Saturday), now you are hiding behind > > "its Association Guidelines", I can ensure you, clubs are not using them > as > > guidelines but RULES you must 100% abide by, and some of the safety > offices > > will make you believe it is the LAW, at Hayfield my transport wheels was 2 > > inches over the 1 metre line but the flywheel was a foot on the engine > side > > of the line I was ordered to move the transport 2" so it would be totally > 1 > > metre from fence (other list members were present), this is just crap and > > the Guidelines, stupid club officials and Gestapo safety officers are out > of > > control. > > > > We have been constantly told by club and Association officials the OHS and > > insurance requirements drove the guidelines the way they were drafted, if > > you remember any of my posts last year they all had a common thread, that > it > > was not necessary the insurance requirements but the association making up > > its own rules, if the statements of the insurance person is true then my > > thoughts are correct. > > > > As I have said many times I have no problems with the fences only the > > Guidelines / RULES that have been enforced on us by people that should > have > > been looking after us for our enjoyment while running engines. > > > > In regards to the dogs I think we all know about Laws on unrestrained > dogs, > > but reading Reg's post he was chatted by a club official at a rally, what > > bloody right has any club official got to administer the LAW, what is > next, > > safety officers checking if our trailer is registered or not or if we had > a > > tetanus shot encase we touch our rusty iron. > > > > To finalise I think a lot of people attending rallies are fed up with > > officials hiding behind legal (OHS and Insurance) issues and not doing the > > best for the people that run engines at rallies > > > > Just my 2 bobs worth nothing personal > > > > While I am in the writing mood, I had a great time at Naracoorte, was a > good > > rally but I was totally pissed off to start with, after driving 1400 km I > > arrived at 6.00 pm Thursday night still with several hours of light, I > made > > sure I was there Thursday as Friday was a run day for school kids, no > > problem just drove longer ot get there. > > Got to the gate to be told by some club official "Your too late come back > > tomorrow" what about unloading my engines first I said, I told you come > back > > tommorow he said, no reason was given, as I departed I told him my bloody > > engines will stay in the trailer for the weekend, he just schrugged his > > shoulders. > > Arriving Friday morning to unload I was told by some other club official " > > you have half an hour to unload then get your car and trailer into the car > > park. > > I cannot believe the way some club officials carry on, it will be the last > > National I will take engines to as I dont need all the crap and importance > > clubs dish out to us that bring engines > > > > Kerry Morris > > Lithgow Oz > > > > > Hi Curt > > > > > > I don't know where people got the idea that the requirement for fences > was > > > a LAW. Our legislators have not made LAWS in this regard however have > > > done > > > in other areas such as occupation and health. We, private citizens, > even > > > if > > > we belong to a National body cannot make LAWS. In the case of our > > > Association we have not even made RULES. As I have stated before that > the > > > Association has only issued GUIDELINES (there are reasons for this which > I > > > have explained before) for the conduct of an engine rally, National or > > > otherwise. These have no standing in LAW, however, in saying that, I am > > > sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an > > > accident to the public. The last insurance policy I looked at included > > > reference to the guidelines. I have not seen the latest policy. > > > > > > In regards to your comment regarding laws about unrestrained animals > (read > > > dogs). Yes the majority of councils if not all have laws regarding > > > unleashed dogs in public places and cleaning up their droppings as you > go > > > a > > > long. In fact some councils provide bins and plastics bags for dog > owners > > > for this purpose. It all stems from the number of dog attacks on humans > > > that we have had over the past few years, some resulting in death. And > > > the > > > other part is as a result of pedestrians stepping into the droppings. > > > However you can be lucky my place backs onto a "free range" area and my > > > dogs > > > can run loose and, best of all, I don't have to carry plastic bags. > > > > > > While I have been writing this I notice that Reg has commented. I agree > > > with you Reg. I would like to see the Insurers put it in writing. Bet > > > they > > > don't. > > > > > > And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until > > > they > > > put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not > be > > > allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the > > > NHMA. > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Wed Mar 23 14:45:06 2005 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:15:06 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba><4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> <007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris> <42418321.4040705@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00c801c52ffa$b023e8c0$88a2fea9@adsl> Curt I will pass your comments on Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:24 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Wed Mar 23 14:49:07 2005 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:19:07 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <42418F9D.5040206@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00c901c52ffa$b409d580$88a2fea9@adsl> Curt The only cost to the club for the erection of the compounds was the labour in putting them up and taking them down. And that was volunteered. A member of the public said to me on the Saturday that he was pleased with the fences around the compounds because it was safe to let his children wander to see the engines etc, without the fear of them getting tangled in the machines. Worth passing on. Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:17 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Ron, > As I looked at the compounds I could only begin to guess what the > thousands of posts, the labor to dig them, the many kilometres of fence > material, and the labour to erect all of it must have cost the > organizers! It has to be a staggering number. From BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com Wed Mar 23 14:54:58 2005 From: BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com (Barry Gorman) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:54:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba><4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> <004d01c52f72$fcc9fbc0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <003401c52ffb$5cb9bba0$1f218b90@userd6162315ba> Curt , some answers below Barry Gorman Glorious Hunter Valley NSW AUSTRALIA BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com From: "Curt" Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. Barry, In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, ---------------------------------------------------------- - as you rightly noticed I didn't attend The Rally , As I spent some time closer to home at Naracoorte ,N.S.W. - ---------------------------------------------------------- I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps local ordinances could dictate....but laws? --------------------------------------------------- "In OZ It is called the companion animals Act" And I believe Most of our problems come form the "civil libertarians /green groups" with only a few people willing to stand up to stop them . Regards , Barry From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 15:12:53 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:12:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605032315122518abe1@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:11:00 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > Have the same problem Curt, It's renamed everyone of my jpegs...aarrrghhh > > Good Luck and I'll do some reading tonight...aaarrghh again > > RickinMt. I think Bill is quite correct, Win98 was always a consumer programme and didn't have all the bells and whistles of NT, even with the SE edition. If you have anything that needs reliable processing, then get into Win2kPro or XP Pro, both are pretty bullet-proof and although I have a preference for Win2kPro I know lots of folks that use and get on with XP, including Dolly IIRC. Don't forget also that most folder views are customisable in how you see files. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Vivas1993 at aol.com Wed Mar 23 15:38:41 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:38:41 EST Subject: [SEL] Great engine day Message-ID: <1d6.3945894e.2f735801@aol.com> Hi folks, Thanks to Ken Christison, here is a link to the Austral pictures. http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/vivas I just gotta learn more of this puter stuff ! Thanks again Ken. Dwight Matoaca, VA. From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Mar 23 15:38:46 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Vicki Page) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:38:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba><4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><009301c52f98$78fe66c0$715e1fd3@morris><00c601c52f9d$ff187110$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <00c701c52ffa$ac0ba160$88a2fea9@adsl> Message-ID: <008f01c53001$758777c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Steve and Denise I find that comment about a club only has one opportunity to run the National. Not so. Our Canberra Club ran the event in 1995 and is scheduled for it again in 2009 - State rotation and all that which was discussed in Tasmania in 2001. Whether we put in a bid is another matter. As for your comment regarding lack of guidelines I can only assume you have not seen the National Rally Rules. They were originally going to be guidelines however by a proposal put from the floor at the Henty National in 1999 the Association members, by majority vote, agreed to them being called Rules. You're right organisers of every National have made mistakes and will continue to do so - it is only human nature, however in saying that I think that once people get to an event the majority have a good time - but you will always get a few whingers. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven N Kitto" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Ron, > > As a member of the Organising Club I noticed that some of those officials > who were "enforcing" matters were not members of the Naracoorte Club. > > I think in this debate over Nation Rallies one thing that has come to my > realisation is that any club only has one opportunity to run the rally. > There are very few guidelines given by NHMA on how it should be done. > NAracoorte made plenty of mistakes, as I bet every club who has previously > run one did and so will those who run them in the future. > > In all this I have not found anyone that did not enjoy the experience. > Steve and Denise Kitto > 4 Fifth Ave > Naracoorte > South Australia > Ph 08 87621147 > > As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. > Proverbs 27:19 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Page" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:16 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > > > Well said Kerry. Maybe it is time some of the NHMA members spent some > time > > on the committee (only elected for two years) and sent out the message to > > the club officials not to be so officious. As you say we are only there > to > > enjoy ourselves. > > > > Ron > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kerry" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > > > > > > G'Day Ron and All > > > > > > With all due respect, > > > > I am sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of > > an > > > > accident to the public. > > > and > > > > And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but > until > > > > they > > > > put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not > > be > > > > allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the > > NHMA > > > > > > WHO SAID?, I am lead to believe the insurance person at the rally > stated > > at > > > the Friday Night Meeting that the insurance would be honoured even if > > there > > > were no fences installed. > > > We were told before the rally if we had problems with insurance talk to > > > him, he made the statement (of which I did not hear first hand but > there > > > was a major discussion by everyone on Saturday), now you are hiding > behind > > > "its Association Guidelines", I can ensure you, clubs are not using them > > as > > > guidelines but RULES you must 100% abide by, and some of the safety > > offices > > > will make you believe it is the LAW, at Hayfield my transport wheels was > 2 > > > inches over the 1 metre line but the flywheel was a foot on the engine > > side > > > of the line I was ordered to move the transport 2" so it would be > totally > > 1 > > > metre from fence (other list members were present), this is just crap > and > > > the Guidelines, stupid club officials and Gestapo safety officers are > out > > of > > > control. > > > > > > We have been constantly told by club and Association officials the OHS > and > > > insurance requirements drove the guidelines the way they were drafted, > if > > > you remember any of my posts last year they all had a common thread, > that > > it > > > was not necessary the insurance requirements but the association making > up > > > its own rules, if the statements of the insurance person is true then my > > > thoughts are correct. > > > > > > As I have said many times I have no problems with the fences only the > > > Guidelines / RULES that have been enforced on us by people that should > > have > > > been looking after us for our enjoyment while running engines. > > > > > > In regards to the dogs I think we all know about Laws on unrestrained > > dogs, > > > but reading Reg's post he was chatted by a club official at a rally, > what > > > bloody right has any club official got to administer the LAW, what is > > next, > > > safety officers checking if our trailer is registered or not or if we > had > > a > > > tetanus shot encase we touch our rusty iron. > > > > > > To finalise I think a lot of people attending rallies are fed up with > > > officials hiding behind legal (OHS and Insurance) issues and not doing > the > > > best for the people that run engines at rallies > > > > > > Just my 2 bobs worth nothing personal > > > > > > While I am in the writing mood, I had a great time at Naracoorte, was a > > good > > > rally but I was totally pissed off to start with, after driving 1400 km > I > > > arrived at 6.00 pm Thursday night still with several hours of light, I > > made > > > sure I was there Thursday as Friday was a run day for school kids, no > > > problem just drove longer ot get there. > > > Got to the gate to be told by some club official "Your too late come > back > > > tomorrow" what about unloading my engines first I said, I told you come > > back > > > tommorow he said, no reason was given, as I departed I told him my > bloody > > > engines will stay in the trailer for the weekend, he just schrugged his > > > shoulders. > > > Arriving Friday morning to unload I was told by some other club official > " > > > you have half an hour to unload then get your car and trailer into the > car > > > park. > > > I cannot believe the way some club officials carry on, it will be the > last > > > National I will take engines to as I dont need all the crap and > importance > > > clubs dish out to us that bring engines > > > > > > Kerry Morris > > > Lithgow Oz > > > > > > > Hi Curt > > > > > > > > I don't know where people got the idea that the requirement for fences > > was > > > > a LAW. Our legislators have not made LAWS in this regard however have > > > > done > > > > in other areas such as occupation and health. We, private citizens, > > even > > > > if > > > > we belong to a National body cannot make LAWS. In the case of our > > > > Association we have not even made RULES. As I have stated before that > > the > > > > Association has only issued GUIDELINES (there are reasons for this > which > > I > > > > have explained before) for the conduct of an engine rally, National or > > > > otherwise. These have no standing in LAW, however, in saying that, I > am > > > > sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an > > > > accident to the public. The last insurance policy I looked at > included > > > > reference to the guidelines. I have not seen the latest policy. > > > > > > > > In regards to your comment regarding laws about unrestrained animals > > (read > > > > dogs). Yes the majority of councils if not all have laws regarding > > > > unleashed dogs in public places and cleaning up their droppings as you > > go > > > > a > > > > long. In fact some councils provide bins and plastics bags for dog > > owners > > > > for this purpose. It all stems from the number of dog attacks on > humans > > > > that we have had over the past few years, some resulting in death. > And > > > > the > > > > other part is as a result of pedestrians stepping into the droppings. > > > > However you can be lucky my place backs onto a "free range" area and > my > > > > dogs > > > > can run loose and, best of all, I don't have to carry plastic bags. > > > > > > > > While I have been writing this I notice that Reg has commented. I > agree > > > > with you Reg. I would like to see the Insurers put it in writing. > Bet > > > > they > > > > don't. > > > > > > > > And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but > until > > > > they > > > > put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not > > be > > > > allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the > > > > NHMA. > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 15:44:28 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:44:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <00c901c52ffa$b409d580$88a2fea9@adsl> References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg> <008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com> <007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <42418F9D.5040206@imc-group.com> <00c901c52ffa$b409d580$88a2fea9@adsl> Message-ID: <6f6025160503231544742218fd@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:19:07 +1030, Steven N Kitto wrote: > Curt > The only cost to the club for the erection of the compounds was the labour > in putting them up and taking them down. And that was volunteered. > > A member of the public said to me on the Saturday that he was pleased with > the fences around the compounds because it was safe to let his children > wander to see the engines etc, without the fear of them getting tangled in > the machines. Worth passing on. > > Steve and Denise Kitto I (somewhat reluctantly) want to comment on this as it seems to me that we as a race are going away from individual responsibility and towards a state of being 'looked after' in terms of anything dangerous or exciting, whatever. When we were kids in the 1950's, we had a long leash and were allowed as much freedom as we could use, as long as we obeyed the rules which were knocked into us by our parents. If we goofed, we got punished and it was forgotten about by all, except that after you had a whack YOU didn't forget and you made damm sure you weren't in line for another. At school we had the cane, even at Junior school. Same thing there, if you goofed, you got punished, simple as that. If the present trend continues, we will not be allowed to punish our kids, they will not learn by their mistakes until it is too late, and kids won't learn anything at all from their parents as nothing will be passed on to them. Protecting kids from machinery and engines is all very fine, but when I was a kid you had basic ground rules set out before you left the house and you stuck to them. You didn't poke your fingers into anything at all, you could look but not touch as it wasn't yours to play with, you didn't speak back at people: I am sure most of the older members will remember these basics well. What we seem to have lost is the ability to pass these on to the present generation. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 15:45:44 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:45:44 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605032315454bfa8cf0@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:44:06 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > Curt, here's what I did and it seems to work. > > Do NOT use one of the installed programs to transfer. > > Insert backup CD, then click on My Computer and double click the CD drive. > > Select all, then click on copy to hardrive/folder or something like that. > > I created a new temp folder and copied a $hit pot full of engine pictures > and they have the original name. > > Hopefully this will work for you. > > > RickinMt. Don't forget also that the CD files you copied will be 'Read Only' files until you change the attributes..... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Mar 23 15:53:24 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:53:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home In-Reply-To: <50666.199.62.0.252.1111585363.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <31288.199.62.0.252.1111581105.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> <50666.199.62.0.252.1111585363.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <2bb00c1df910d4129b59966c9b48885d@chartertn.net> Wow! I notice it says "Otto Engine Company, Philadelphia, PA." I guess that's the old Schleicher-Schumm concern? John On Mar 23, 2005, at 8:42 AM, MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > a dream come true!! > i'm now the new caretaker of this 1906 2HP open crankcase Otto > vertical. > he came home last night after a long trip from Nevada. > > pics at: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538 John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Wed Mar 23 16:07:39 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:07:39 +0800 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" In-Reply-To: <66.53846661.2f7306a3@aol.com> References: <66.53846661.2f7306a3@aol.com> Message-ID: <424204CB.4080209@optusnet.com.au> MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: >Hi Rick, > >I suspect, but can't say for sure, that having all the pulleys involved >"crowned" is enough to allow for some misalignment without the belt running off. >If I were setting it up, I would try for aligning the power source pulley with >the driven pulley, and let the idler pulley be a little out of alignment. >What's your situation? >Regards, >Ron Carroll >Clearmont, Missouri USA > > > >In a message dated 3/23/2005 11:44:34 AM Central Standard Time, >Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: >I would assume then that the "driver" pulley would have to be wide enought >so the belt stayed put?....whether on an engine or lineshaft. > >Thanks much >Rickinmt. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > With most of the fast & loose pulley systems I've seen (and used!), the fast and loose pulleys were crowned but there was no crowning on the double-width driver. The shifting-gear (usually overhead and actuated by either a long lever or a rope) has guides to push the belt sideways as required, but is not required to act as an alignment device. In fact, when properly set up, the guides stand clear of the edges of the belt except when shifting the belt across. Jack in Oz From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Wed Mar 23 16:33:20 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:33:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" References: <66.53846661.2f7306a3@aol.com> Message-ID: <014501c53009$153bb2c0$cc601f40@ibm22761389857> Typically the drive pulley was as wide or wider than the two tight/free pulleys and I suspect it was not crowned. It depends on how far apart the shafts were - wide separation not as critical as close spaced shafts. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 14:10 Subject: Re: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" > > Hi Rick, > > > > I suspect, but can't say for sure, that having all the pulleys involved > > "crowned" is enough to allow for some misalignment without the belt > > running off. > > If I were setting it up, I would try for aligning the power source pulley > > with > > the driven pulley, and let the idler pulley be a little out of alignment. > > What's your situation? > > > No situation yet Ron. Just nice to know trivia in case we ever get our > line shaft. > > > HEY THANKS GUYS!!! > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Mar 23 16:39:02 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:39:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP In-Reply-To: <6f60251605032315122518abe1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200503240039.j2O0dcJN088496@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> W2K is more stable IMHO. XP is fine, but has its own issues. When you start adding bells and whistles, it takes more code, more horsepower, and leads to instabilities. Alas, progress - and the 'dumbing-down' of operating systems for the masses.......... Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 5:13 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:11:00 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > Have the same problem Curt, It's renamed everyone of my > jpegs...aarrrghhh > > Good Luck and I'll do some reading tonight...aaarrghh again > > RickinMt. I think Bill is quite correct, Win98 was always a consumer programme and didn't have all the bells and whistles of NT, even with the SE edition. If you have anything that needs reliable processing, then get into Win2kPro or XP Pro, both are pretty bullet-proof and although I have a preference for Win2kPro I know lots of folks that use and get on with XP, including Dolly IIRC. Don't forget also that most folder views are customisable in how you see files. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 23 17:02:31 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:02:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP References: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com> <6f60251605032315454bfa8cf0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: What attribute should I change them to and can I do that in bulk? Thanks much Peter RickinMt. > > Don't forget also that the CD files you copied will be 'Read Only' > files until you change the attributes..... > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 23 17:13:08 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:13:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" References: <66.53846661.2f7306a3@aol.com> <424204CB.4080209@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: Thats the way I would think it would work also. Thanks Jack!! It will be fun playing with the setup when we get her going. later, RickinMt. > With most of the fast & loose pulley systems I've seen (and used!), the > fast and loose pulleys were crowned but there was no crowning on the > double-width driver. > The shifting-gear (usually overhead and actuated by either a long lever > or a rope) has guides to push the belt sideways as required, but is not > required to act as an alignment device. In fact, when properly set up, > the guides stand clear of the edges of the belt except when shifting the > belt across. > > Jack in Oz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 23 17:52:15 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:52:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050324015215.42485.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Right you are Rick, Plus you can have the belt on the loose pulley for engine starting. I have a very nice old power hacksaw. It was built to be powered by an overhead line shaft. You flip a lever to move the belt from the loose pulley onto the locked one. The saw starts cutting. When the saw cuts through,,, the frame hits a lever that moves a rod that comes around and moves the belt back onto the loose wheel. And here I thought that switch was such a handy thing on my electric metal cutting band saw. They HAD to put that switch there to make it do what the old timers did mechanically. 8>)) Alan Bowen --- Tod Engine wrote: > You move the belt to the free wheel when you want to disengage the pump but > keep the power source running. Then to engage the pump move the belt to the > locked wheel (called that because its "locked" to the driveshaft) and the > pump starts up. > > Its used extensively in overhead line shafted machine shops. > > Rick in Youngstown > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "SEL email discussion list" > Cc: "Corky and Judy Harris" > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 8:52 PM > Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" > > > > Howdy all; > > We don't know why, but several of our pump jacks and water pumps (F-M > > "typhoon") have 2 belt pulleys next to each other. One is free wheeling > > and the other is locked to the shaft. We believe they called this > > arrangement "free wheel, Locked wheel". > > Can anyone explain why they did this arrangement? > > > > TIA > > Rick and Cork in Mt. _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 23 17:43:56 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:43:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter Message-ID: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL> Ok Gang, as usual I am stuck and need the help and wisdom of all of the engine czar's. I am working on my little 1-1/2 HP Petter Apple Top engine, it is 99% complete, runs, but is missing the brass governor shoe that runs in the governor collar. Roland Craven has graciously offered to make one for me but he needs the dimensions of the collar that the shoe runs in. I am was able to get a measurement of the collar on the engine and determined that from the top to the bottom of the collar there was a .015 to .020 taper. Roland ask me to remove the collar and have someone true it up and then send him the dimensions. I got the starting dog and governor cover (sauce pan) off fairly easy but have been working for a week trying to get the gib key out of the flywheel so I can get to the collar. I have been applying Kroil penetrating oil to it for over a week. I have an original gib key removal tool and have been trying it but I am about to clip off the tang on the gib key by applying so much pressure and it still has not moved. I am about to fire up the blue wrench but hate to put heat on a flywheel hub. I am open to any suggestions to get this key out. Here are some pictures of the engine and gib key I am working on. http://client.webshots.com/photo/303593896/303593896UaQekG Paul From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Mar 23 18:23:22 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:23:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><42418F9D.5040206@imc-group.com> <00c901c52ffa$b409d580$88a2fea9@adsl> Message-ID: <010e01c53018$76c50960$0301a8c0@Reg> At shows in the USA that are MUCH bigger, parents CONTROL their kids and dont allow them to go running wild. Why should WE have to control their kids? Its an ENGINE show, not a flamin playground. You want your kids to wander? Take them elsewhere. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven N Kitto" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Curt > The only cost to the club for the erection of the compounds was the labour > in putting them up and taking them down. And that was volunteered. > > A member of the public said to me on the Saturday that he was pleased with > the fences around the compounds because it was safe to let his children > wander to see the engines etc, without the fear of them getting tangled in > the machines. Worth passing on. > > Steve and Denise Kitto > 4 Fifth Ave > Naracoorte > South Australia > Ph 08 87621147 > > As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. > Proverbs 27:19 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:17 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > > > Ron, > > As I looked at the compounds I could only begin to guess what the > > thousands of posts, the labor to dig them, the many kilometres of fence > > material, and the labour to erect all of it must have cost the > > organizers! It has to be a staggering number. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Mar 23 18:22:28 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:22:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter In-Reply-To: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL> References: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <42422464.609@earthlink.net> Paul, Drill it out. Here's the first one I did. http://frapa.us/Gib/Gib/Gib.html Jeff Allen Paul Maples wrote: >Ok Gang, as usual I am stuck and need the help and wisdom of all of the engine czar's. I am working on my little 1-1/2 HP Petter Apple Top engine, it is 99% complete, runs, but is missing the brass governor shoe that runs in the governor collar. Roland Craven has graciously offered to make one for me but he needs the dimensions of the collar that the shoe runs in. I am was able to get a measurement of the collar on the engine and determined that from the top to the bottom of the collar there was a .015 to .020 taper. Roland ask me to remove the collar and have someone true it up and then send him the dimensions. > >I got the starting dog and governor cover (sauce pan) off fairly easy but have been working for a week trying to get the gib key out of the flywheel so I can get to the collar. I have been applying Kroil penetrating oil to it for over a week. I have an original gib key removal tool and have been trying it but I am about to clip off the tang on the gib key by applying so much pressure and it still has not moved. I am about to fire up the blue wrench but hate to put heat on a flywheel hub. > >I am open to any suggestions to get this key out. Here are some pictures of the engine and gib key I am working on. > >http://client.webshots.com/photo/303593896/303593896UaQekG > >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Mar 23 18:26:09 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:26:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Insurance.....Star Pickets References: Message-ID: <011601c53018$e2614120$0301a8c0@Reg> I am sure this would have had a different result if it had been followed up properly instead of just sitting back and accepting. I notice that discontent on a lot of the handling of the hobby is spreading. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Insurance.....Star Pickets > Hi Peter, as you and every one else knows all insurance companies will find > a way out of paying out . I've worked on farms most of my life and have > never had anyone show me that a star picket went in a certain way as most > are used in a fence line. Dave > > >From: "peter ogborne" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: > >Subject: [SEL] Insurance.....Star Pickets > >Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:14:38 +0800 > > > >I hate to throw this in but a recent experience involving a claim by an > >exhibitor at a small agricultural show and an accident involving a star > >picket holding a tent being pulled out of the ground by a strong gust of > >wind, bears thinking about. > >Because the star picket was not hammered into the ground in what the > >insurance investigator said was the correct manner the claim was not met. > >The star picket was in the ground with just one of the three sides taking > >the strain ...it should have been reversed with two sides as in a Y shape > >taking the strain ,ie in compression. > >Work that one out. > >Peter Ogborne > >Little Grove ,Albany > >West Australia > >''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > >jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find love today with ninemsn personals. Click here: > http://ninemsn.match.com?referrer=hotmailtagline > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rexhinz at chorus.net Wed Mar 23 18:30:58 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:30:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy 2-1/2 HP E References: <002d01c52f40$f9642730$0c86a5d8@mycomputer> <6.1.2.0.0.20050323001757.116fd2f8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001e01c53019$86169630$6986a5d8@mycomputer> Thanks for the replies: Curt contacted me off list and he thinks the engine may have had lots of blow by like one of their Hercs , Blows the oil out of the oiler and into the hopper , anyway makes sense to me as the engine has all the signs of a well used engine, I know there is a lot of lost compression around the rings as it hisses like a snake on the compression stroke. Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 2-1/2 HP E > At 07:40 PM 3/22/2005, you wrote: > >Hi All: > > > > Working on the Economy and found the hopper caked with about 1 inch > >of petrafied grease , crude oil ? > >Rex Hinz > > Hi Rex, Sometimes a guy would use oil in the hopper instead of water. Oil > would not freeze. > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca Wed Mar 23 18:58:37 2005 From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:58:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050324025837.15212.qmail@web51404.mail.yahoo.com> Paul - I have had success every time by drilling and tapping a hole in the end of the key and using a slide hammer to pull the key. Use as large as possible size bolt to pull with. Use extreme care to get the hole drilled in the center of the key. Larry Anger. Paul Maples wrote: Ok Gang, as usual I am stuck and need the help and wisdom of all of the engine czar's. I am working on my little 1-1/2 HP Petter Apple Top engine, it is 99% complete, runs, but is missing the brass governor shoe that runs in the governor collar. Roland Craven has graciously offered to make one for me but he needs the dimensions of the collar that the shoe runs in. I am was able to get a measurement of the collar on the engine and determined that from the top to the bottom of the collar there was a .015 to .020 taper. Roland ask me to remove the collar and have someone true it up and then send him the dimensions. I got the starting dog and governor cover (sauce pan) off fairly easy but have been working for a week trying to get the gib key out of the flywheel so I can get to the collar. I have been applying Kroil penetrating oil to it for over a week. I have an original gib key removal tool and have been trying it but I am about to clip off the tang on the gib key by applying so much pressure and it still has not moved. I am about to fire up the blue wrench but hate to put heat on a flywheel hub. I am open to any suggestions to get this key out. Here are some pictures of the engine and gib key I am working on. http://client.webshots.com/photo/303593896/303593896UaQekG Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 23 19:18:43 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:18:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. PayPal E-mail Notifications Message-ID: <00d601c53020$369c8040$230110ac@PAUL> I know that many of you on the SEL use PayPal when buying and selling on E-bay so maybe someone can help me. I use to always get a e-mail notification from PayPal when someone paid me with PayPal. This notification not only informed me that I had been paid but told me who the payee was, their name and mailing address, the item number and description etc. I no longer get any notifications from PayPal when someone pays me, the only way I know if I have been paid is to go to PayPal and open my account and look to see if I have been paid. I wrote PayPal an e-mail message asking for help to resolve this, two days later I get an e-mail from them telling me to call a telephone number they sent me, called the number and was put on hold for 30 minutes, hung up and called three more times at later dates and always put on hold so I gave up as this was not a toll free number. Can someone tell me what I need to do to get notifications from PayPal when someone pays me? Thanks, Paul From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Mar 23 09:26:50 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:26:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap Message-ID: Sorry for posting this question but the archives don't work. I have a bore of apporximately 2.5 inches. What would the ring end gap need to be? I measured about .016 inches. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Mar 23 07:15:01 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:15:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home In-Reply-To: <50666.199.62.0.252.1111585363.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Nice looking engine. You'll have the model ready for the NAMES expo next month right ;-) Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============= >From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home >Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:42:43 -0600 (CST) > > a dream come true!! > i'm now the new caretaker of this 1906 2HP open crankcase Otto vertical. > he came home last night after a long trip from Nevada. > > pics at: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538 > > Marvin Otto Hedberg > (yes, my middle name really is Otto :-)) > marv in minnesota From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Mar 23 19:55:33 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:55:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] O.T. PayPal E-mail Notifications In-Reply-To: <00d601c53020$369c8040$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <20050324035534.687.qmail@web25007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Paul I have used PayPal within the last few days as a seller. I received the notification you mentioned: "You have received an instant payment from..." Regards Dave --- Paul Maples wrote: > > I use to always get a e-mail notification from PayPal when someone paid me with PayPal. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 23 19:10:05 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:10:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter References: <20050324025837.15212.qmail@web51404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c701c5301f$17754d10$230110ac@PAUL> Larry if you read my last post to Jeff Alan you will note that my greatest fear is drilling off center and going through the hub of the flywheel. I don't have enough empty keyway to use a piece of center drilled keystock for a guide. Also if you will look closely you will note that the tank on the end is bent outwards from me using a gib key puller on it so I no longer have a nice square perpendicular surface to start trying to drill a straight hole. Thanks. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Anger" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > Paul - I have had success every time by drilling and tapping a hole in the > end of the key and using a slide hammer to pull the key. Use as large as > possible size bolt to pull with. Use extreme care to get the hole drilled > in the center of the key. > > Larry Anger. > > Paul Maples wrote: > Ok Gang, as usual I am stuck and need the help and wisdom of all of the > engine czar's. I am working on my little 1-1/2 HP Petter Apple Top engine, > it is 99% complete, runs, but is missing the brass governor shoe that runs > in the governor collar. Roland Craven has graciously offered to make one > for me but he needs the dimensions of the collar that the shoe runs in. I > am was able to get a measurement of the collar on the engine and > determined that from the top to the bottom of the collar there was a .015 > to .020 taper. Roland ask me to remove the collar and have someone true it > up and then send him the dimensions. > > I got the starting dog and governor cover (sauce pan) off fairly easy but > have been working for a week trying to get the gib key out of the flywheel > so I can get to the collar. I have been applying Kroil penetrating oil to > it for over a week. I have an original gib key removal tool and have been > trying it but I am about to clip off the tang on the gib key by applying > so much pressure and it still has not moved. I am about to fire up the > blue wrench but hate to put heat on a flywheel hub. > > I am open to any suggestions to get this key out. Here are some pictures > of the engine and gib key I am working on. > > http://client.webshots.com/photo/303593896/303593896UaQekG > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 23 18:50:42 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:50:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter References: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL> <42422464.609@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <009f01c5301c$4811a2a0$230110ac@PAUL> Jeff this looks great but you had quite a bit of empty keyway to put the square keystock in, I have no empty keyway to put any keystock in. What do you recommend as an alternative way to get the keystock lined up with the gib key so I don't drill off center. I tried to drill out a gib key on a 1-1/2 - 2-1/2 LB engine pulley and it drilled off center and went through the pulley. I sure would hate to drill through the hub. Thanks for info, this is a great way to get one out if you have some extra keyway for the keystock, nice write up and great pictures. Definitely filing this away for future reference. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > Paul, > > Drill it out. Here's the first one I did. > > http://frapa.us/Gib/Gib/Gib.html > > Jeff Allen > > Paul Maples wrote: > >>Ok Gang, as usual I am stuck and need the help and wisdom of all of the >>engine czar's. I am working on my little 1-1/2 HP Petter Apple Top engine, >>it is 99% complete, runs, but is missing the brass governor shoe that runs >>in the governor collar. Roland Craven has graciously offered to make one >>for me but he needs the dimensions of the collar that the shoe runs in. I >>am was able to get a measurement of the collar on the engine and >>determined that from the top to the bottom of the collar there was a .015 >>to .020 taper. Roland ask me to remove the collar and have someone true it >>up and then send him From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 23 20:16:41 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:16:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. PayPal E-mail Notifications References: <20050324035534.687.qmail@web25007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <013201c53028$4ac8dcf0$230110ac@PAUL> That is the notification I am trying to get Dave, I use to get it each time someone paid me with PayPal. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Everett" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. PayPal E-mail Notifications > Hi Paul > > I have used PayPal within the last few days as a seller. I received the > notification you > mentioned: "You have received an instant payment from..." > > Regards > From Bimjy at hotmail.com Wed Mar 23 20:17:29 2005 From: Bimjy at hotmail.com (Jim Hunter) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:17:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Otto is at his new home References: <1a8.343b727f.2f734026@aol.com> Message-ID: Wow Marvin, Do you think that if I changed my middle name to Bessemer........................... Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Germoamer at aol.com To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Otto is at his new home In a message dated 3/23/2005 9:13:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, marvhed at ecenet.com writes: << i'm now the new caretaker of this 1906 2HP open crankcase Otto vertical. he came home last night after a long trip from Nevada. >> Marvin Otto, A beautiful engine indeed! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From solarrog at pacbell.net Wed Mar 23 20:30:48 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:30:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. PayPal E-mail Notifications References: <20050324035534.687.qmail@web25007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <013201c53028$4ac8dcf0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <01fd01c5302a$4235d0f0$ea007643@D6R3D961> go to your account and change your preferences Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. PayPal E-mail Notifications > That is the notification I am trying to get Dave, I use to get it each > time someone paid me with PayPal. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Everett" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. PayPal E-mail Notifications > > >> Hi Paul >> >> I have used PayPal within the last few days as a seller. I received the >> notification you >> mentioned: "You have received an instant payment from..." >> >> Regards >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Mar 23 21:06:46 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:06:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap Message-ID: <20050323.210647.428.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Luke. This was taken from a past posting: "About .003-.005" per inch of bore is typically recommended." Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:26:50 +0000 "Luke Tonneberger" writes: > Sorry for posting this question but the archives don't work. I have > a bore > of apporximately 2.5 inches. What would the ring end gap need to > be? I > measured about .016 inches. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > From brock at netspeed.com.au Wed Mar 23 21:41:53 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:41:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin><4241874D.5020104@imc-group.com> <002301c52fec$82701ce0$3084dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002401c53034$303c54a0$5f11fea9@merlin> nah not me i,m an angel some times ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Hay Curt,They are all true!!!!!!!!!!! > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:12 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > >> Brock, >> I was so focused on taking engine and steamer pictures I failed to take >> a picture of the entire grounds. I'd like one if someone did. >> Curt >> P.S. Heard LOTS of wild stories about you at Narracoorte! ....Happy >> Birthday! >> >> Brock Summerfield wrote: >> >> > G,day Curt >> > >> > i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the >> > constuction industry mainly working on roads >> > and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia >> > bigger version of a withes hat >> > we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic >> > PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >> > >> > >> >> Barry, >> >> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all >> >> claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the >> >> Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but there >> >> was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences >> >> were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash against >> >> the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting one >> >> of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT a >> >> requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a >> >> decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that said, >> >> I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz >> >> book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine >> >> legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps local >> >> ordinances could dictate....but laws? >> >> >> >> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their >> >> impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at engines >> >> from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are >> >> to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm guessing >> >> the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres >> >> long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This >> >> arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite difficult >> >> unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who >> >> would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it >> >> yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length of >> >> the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the >> >> compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side >> >> toward the fence. >> >> >> >> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering >> >> down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with >> >> the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not >> >> going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could >> >> get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study >> >> them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange >> >> business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators to >> >> clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From >> >> inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we >> >> were in side shaft heaven! >> >> >> >> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair >> >> of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white bum >> >> showing in public was against the law too ;-) >> >> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than >> >> from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) >> >> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... >> >> Curt Holland >> >> Gastonia, NC >> >> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. >> >> >> >> >> >> Barry Gorman wrote: >> >> >> >>> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , >> >>> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled >> >>> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to >> >>> throw the blame in the wrong direction , >> >>> Regards , >> >>> Barry Gorman >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Mar 23 22:49:45 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:49:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin><4241874D.5020104@imc-group.com><002301c52fec$82701ce0$3084dccb@oemcomputer> <002401c53034$303c54a0$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <000d01c5303d$b3666e20$0301a8c0@Reg> Brock, with the effort you put into the Clarendon event. NOBODY could surpass that!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > nah not me i,m an angel some times > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "edd payne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:08 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > > > Hay Curt,They are all true!!!!!!!!!!! > > EDD PAYNE > > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > > 0263742387 > > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Curt" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:12 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > > > > >> Brock, > >> I was so focused on taking engine and steamer pictures I failed to take > >> a picture of the entire grounds. I'd like one if someone did. > >> Curt > >> P.S. Heard LOTS of wild stories about you at Narracoorte! ....Happy > >> Birthday! > >> > >> Brock Summerfield wrote: > >> > >> > G,day Curt > >> > > >> > i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the > >> > constuction industry mainly working on roads > >> > and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia > >> > bigger version of a withes hat > >> > we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic > >> > PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? > >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" > >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM > >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > >> > > >> > > >> >> Barry, > >> >> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all > >> >> claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the > >> >> Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but there > >> >> was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences > >> >> were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash against > >> >> the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting one > >> >> of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT a > >> >> requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a > >> >> decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that said, > >> >> I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz > >> >> book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine > >> >> legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps local > >> >> ordinances could dictate....but laws? > >> >> > >> >> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their > >> >> impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at engines > >> >> from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are > >> >> to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm guessing > >> >> the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres > >> >> long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This > >> >> arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite difficult > >> >> unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who > >> >> would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it > >> >> yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length of > >> >> the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the > >> >> compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side > >> >> toward the fence. > >> >> > >> >> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering > >> >> down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with > >> >> the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not > >> >> going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could > >> >> get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study > >> >> them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange > >> >> business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators to > >> >> clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From > >> >> inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we > >> >> were in side shaft heaven! > >> >> > >> >> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair > >> >> of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white bum > >> >> showing in public was against the law too ;-) > >> >> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than > >> >> from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) > >> >> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... > >> >> Curt Holland > >> >> Gastonia, NC > >> >> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Barry Gorman wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , > >> >>> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled > >> >>> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to > >> >>> throw the blame in the wrong direction , > >> >>> Regards , > >> >>> Barry Gorman > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed Mar 23 23:21:26 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:21:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin><4241874D.5020104@imc-group.com><002301c52fec$82701ce0$3084dccb@oemcomputer> <002401c53034$303c54a0$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <00ad01c53042$176f1da0$433354d2@Cam> I've never seen that side of you Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > nah not me i,m an angel some times > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "edd payne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:08 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > >> Hay Curt,They are all true!!!!!!!!!!! >> EDD PAYNE >> PO BOX 364 GULGONG >> New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >> 0263742387 >> edsingns at winsoft.net.au >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Curt" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:12 >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >> >> >>> Brock, >>> I was so focused on taking engine and steamer pictures I failed to take >>> a picture of the entire grounds. I'd like one if someone did. >>> Curt >>> P.S. Heard LOTS of wild stories about you at Narracoorte! ....Happy >>> Birthday! >>> >>> Brock Summerfield wrote: >>> >>> > G,day Curt >>> > >>> > i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the >>> > constuction industry mainly working on roads >>> > and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia >>> > bigger version of a withes hat >>> > we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic >>> > PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? >>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" >>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM >>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >>> > >>> > >>> >> Barry, >>> >> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all >>> >> claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the >>> >> Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but there >>> >> was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences >>> >> were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash against >>> >> the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting one >>> >> of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT a >>> >> requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a >>> >> decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that said, >>> >> I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz >>> >> book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine >>> >> legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps local >>> >> ordinances could dictate....but laws? >>> >> >>> >> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their >>> >> impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at engines >>> >> from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are >>> >> to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm guessing >>> >> the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres >>> >> long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This >>> >> arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite difficult >>> >> unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who >>> >> would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it >>> >> yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length of >>> >> the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the >>> >> compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side >>> >> toward the fence. >>> >> >>> >> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering >>> >> down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with >>> >> the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not >>> >> going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could >>> >> get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study >>> >> them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange >>> >> business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators to >>> >> clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From >>> >> inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we >>> >> were in side shaft heaven! >>> >> >>> >> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair >>> >> of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white bum >>> >> showing in public was against the law too ;-) >>> >> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than >>> >> from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) >>> >> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... >>> >> Curt Holland >>> >> Gastonia, NC >>> >> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Barry Gorman wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , >>> >>> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled >>> >>> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to >>> >>> throw the blame in the wrong direction , >>> >>> Regards , >>> >>> Barry Gorman >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> SEL mailing list >>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SEL mailing list >>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> > >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed Mar 23 23:26:17 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:26:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin><4241874D.5020104@imc-group.com><002301c52fec$82701ce0$3084dccb@oemcomputer> <002401c53034$303c54a0$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <00bf01c53042$c4feb9d0$433354d2@Cam> Kaptain Kaos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > nah not me i,m an angel some times > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "edd payne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:08 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > >> Hay Curt,They are all true!!!!!!!!!!! >> EDD PAYNE >> PO BOX 364 GULGONG >> New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >> 0263742387 >> edsingns at winsoft.net.au >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Curt" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:12 >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >> >> >>> Brock, >>> I was so focused on taking engine and steamer pictures I failed to take >>> a picture of the entire grounds. I'd like one if someone did. >>> Curt >>> P.S. Heard LOTS of wild stories about you at Narracoorte! ....Happy >>> Birthday! >>> >>> Brock Summerfield wrote: >>> >>> > G,day Curt >>> > >>> > i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the >>> > constuction industry mainly working on roads >>> > and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia >>> > bigger version of a withes hat >>> > we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic >>> > PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? >>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" >>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM >>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >>> > >>> > >>> >> Barry, >>> >> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all >>> >> claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the >>> >> Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but there >>> >> was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences >>> >> were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash against >>> >> the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting one >>> >> of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT a >>> >> requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a >>> >> decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that said, >>> >> I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz >>> >> book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine >>> >> legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps local >>> >> ordinances could dictate....but laws? >>> >> >>> >> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their >>> >> impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at engines >>> >> from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are >>> >> to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm guessing >>> >> the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres >>> >> long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This >>> >> arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite difficult >>> >> unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who >>> >> would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it >>> >> yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length of >>> >> the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the >>> >> compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side >>> >> toward the fence. >>> >> >>> >> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering >>> >> down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with >>> >> the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not >>> >> going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could >>> >> get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study >>> >> them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange >>> >> business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators to >>> >> clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From >>> >> inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we >>> >> were in side shaft heaven! >>> >> >>> >> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair >>> >> of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white bum >>> >> showing in public was against the law too ;-) >>> >> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than >>> >> from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) >>> >> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... >>> >> Curt Holland >>> >> Gastonia, NC >>> >> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Barry Gorman wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , >>> >>> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled >>> >>> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to >>> >>> throw the blame in the wrong direction , >>> >>> Regards , >>> >>> Barry Gorman >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> SEL mailing list >>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SEL mailing list >>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> > >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brock at netspeed.com.au Wed Mar 23 23:39:12 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:39:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin><4241874D.5020104@imc-group.com><002301c52fec$82701ce0$3084dccb@oemcomputer><002401c53034$303c54a0$5f11fea9@merlin> <00ad01c53042$176f1da0$433354d2@Cam> Message-ID: <005d01c53044$9491a710$5f11fea9@merlin> the security gaurd at the sydney rally seen all sides . ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > I've never seen that side of you Brock > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brock Summerfield" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:41 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > >> nah not me i,m an angel some times >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "edd payne" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >> >> >>> Hay Curt,They are all true!!!!!!!!!!! >>> EDD PAYNE >>> PO BOX 364 GULGONG >>> New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >>> 0263742387 >>> edsingns at winsoft.net.au >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Curt" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:12 >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >>> >>> >>>> Brock, >>>> I was so focused on taking engine and steamer pictures I failed to take >>>> a picture of the entire grounds. I'd like one if someone did. >>>> Curt >>>> P.S. Heard LOTS of wild stories about you at Narracoorte! ....Happy >>>> Birthday! >>>> >>>> Brock Summerfield wrote: >>>> >>>> > G,day Curt >>>> > >>>> > i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the >>>> > constuction industry mainly working on roads >>>> > and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia >>>> > bigger version of a withes hat >>>> > we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic >>>> > PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" >>>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM >>>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> Barry, >>>> >> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all >>>> >> claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the >>>> >> Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but >>>> >> there >>>> >> was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences >>>> >> were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash against >>>> >> the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting >>>> >> one >>>> >> of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT a >>>> >> requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a >>>> >> decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that said, >>>> >> I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz >>>> >> book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine >>>> >> legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps >>>> >> local >>>> >> ordinances could dictate....but laws? >>>> >> >>>> >> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their >>>> >> impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at engines >>>> >> from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are >>>> >> to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm >>>> >> guessing >>>> >> the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres >>>> >> long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This >>>> >> arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite difficult >>>> >> unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who >>>> >> would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it >>>> >> yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length of >>>> >> the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the >>>> >> compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side >>>> >> toward the fence. >>>> >> >>>> >> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering >>>> >> down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with >>>> >> the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not >>>> >> going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could >>>> >> get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study >>>> >> them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange >>>> >> business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators >>>> >> to >>>> >> clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From >>>> >> inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we >>>> >> were in side shaft heaven! >>>> >> >>>> >> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new >>>> >> pair >>>> >> of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white >>>> >> bum >>>> >> showing in public was against the law too ;-) >>>> >> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than >>>> >> from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) >>>> >> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... >>>> >> Curt Holland >>>> >> Gastonia, NC >>>> >> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Barry Gorman wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , >>>> >>> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled >>>> >>> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to >>>> >>> throw the blame in the wrong direction , >>>> >>> Regards , >>>> >>> Barry Gorman >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> SEL mailing list >>>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > SEL mailing list >>>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From brock at netspeed.com.au Wed Mar 23 23:43:50 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:43:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin><4241874D.5020104@imc-group.com><002301c52fec$82701ce0$3084dccb@oemcomputer><002401c53034$303c54a0$5f11fea9@merlin> <000d01c5303d$b3666e20$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <006d01c53045$3a405b20$5f11fea9@merlin> The best thing is i dont remember a thing ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Brock, with the effort you put into the Clarendon event. > NOBODY could surpass that!!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brock Summerfield" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:41 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > >> nah not me i,m an angel some times >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "edd payne" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >> >> >> > Hay Curt,They are all true!!!!!!!!!!! >> > EDD PAYNE >> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG >> > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >> > 0263742387 >> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Curt" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:12 >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >> > >> > >> >> Brock, >> >> I was so focused on taking engine and steamer pictures I failed to >> >> take >> >> a picture of the entire grounds. I'd like one if someone did. >> >> Curt >> >> P.S. Heard LOTS of wild stories about you at Narracoorte! ....Happy >> >> Birthday! >> >> >> >> Brock Summerfield wrote: >> >> >> >> > G,day Curt >> >> > >> >> > i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the >> >> > constuction industry mainly working on roads >> >> > and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia >> >> > bigger version of a withes hat >> >> > we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic >> >> > PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" >> >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> > >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM >> >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Barry, >> >> >> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all >> >> >> claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the >> >> >> Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but > there >> >> >> was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences >> >> >> were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash >> >> >> against >> >> >> the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting > one >> >> >> of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT >> >> >> a >> >> >> requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a >> >> >> decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that >> >> >> said, >> >> >> I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz >> >> >> book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine >> >> >> legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps > local >> >> >> ordinances could dictate....but laws? >> >> >> >> >> >> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their >> >> >> impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at >> >> >> engines >> >> >> from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are >> >> >> to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm > guessing >> >> >> the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred >> >> >> metres >> >> >> long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This >> >> >> arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite >> >> >> difficult >> >> >> unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who >> >> >> would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it >> >> >> yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length >> >> >> of >> >> >> the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the >> >> >> compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side >> >> >> toward the fence. >> >> >> >> >> >> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering >> >> >> down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with >> >> >> the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not >> >> >> going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could >> >> >> get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study >> >> >> them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange >> >> >> business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators > to >> >> >> clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From >> >> >> inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we >> >> >> were in side shaft heaven! >> >> >> >> >> >> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new > pair >> >> >> of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white > bum >> >> >> showing in public was against the law too ;-) >> >> >> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than >> >> >> from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) >> >> >> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... >> >> >> Curt Holland >> >> >> Gastonia, NC >> >> >> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barry Gorman wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , >> >> >>> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled >> >> >>> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to >> >> >>> throw the blame in the wrong direction , >> >> >>> Regards , >> >> >>> Barry Gorman >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > SEL mailing list >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 23:44:21 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:44:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com> <6f60251605032315454bfa8cf0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160503232344623dac53@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:02:31 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > What attribute should I change them to and can I do that in bulk? > > Thanks much Peter > RickinMt. Go to the folder of the copied files, click on one file (not double-click) so the name is highlighted, then Ctrl-A (Conbtrol-A) to select all files, then right-click on any file while they are all highlighted. That will bring up a dialogue (dialog) box, at the bottom of which should be the attributes. Untick the 'read-only' box and then click 'Apply'. If there are any subdirectories in there you will be asked 'for this folder or all folders' or something like that, you need to select all folders. That should clear the Read-Only attribute and enable the files to be edited. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Mickc at vic.australis.com.au Wed Mar 23 23:45:24 2005 From: Mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:45:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin><4241874D.5020104@imc-group.com><002301c52fec$82701ce0$3084dccb@oemcomputer><002401c53034$303c54a0$5f11fea9@merlin> <000d01c5303d$b3666e20$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <002e01c53045$710ad860$9faf57ca@n> Gee i thought wild animals would have to be tied up especially that one that run a muck at the Claredon rally!!! Cheers Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Brock, with the effort you put into the Clarendon event. > NOBODY could surpass that!!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brock Summerfield" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:41 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > >> nah not me i,m an angel some times >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "edd payne" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >> >> >> > Hay Curt,They are all true!!!!!!!!!!! >> > EDD PAYNE >> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG >> > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >> > 0263742387 >> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Curt" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:12 >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >> > >> > >> >> Brock, >> >> I was so focused on taking engine and steamer pictures I failed to >> >> take >> >> a picture of the entire grounds. I'd like one if someone did. >> >> Curt >> >> P.S. Heard LOTS of wild stories about you at Narracoorte! ....Happy >> >> Birthday! >> >> >> >> Brock Summerfield wrote: >> >> >> >> > G,day Curt >> >> > >> >> > i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the >> >> > constuction industry mainly working on roads >> >> > and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia >> >> > bigger version of a withes hat >> >> > we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic >> >> > PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" >> >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> > >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM >> >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Barry, >> >> >> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all >> >> >> claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the >> >> >> Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but > there >> >> >> was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences >> >> >> were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash >> >> >> against >> >> >> the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting > one >> >> >> of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT >> >> >> a >> >> >> requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a >> >> >> decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that >> >> >> said, >> >> >> I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz >> >> >> book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine >> >> >> legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps > local >> >> >> ordinances could dictate....but laws? >> >> >> >> >> >> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their >> >> >> impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at >> >> >> engines >> >> >> from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are >> >> >> to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm > guessing >> >> >> the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred >> >> >> metres >> >> >> long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This >> >> >> arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite >> >> >> difficult >> >> >> unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who >> >> >> would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it >> >> >> yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length >> >> >> of >> >> >> the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the >> >> >> compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side >> >> >> toward the fence. >> >> >> >> >> >> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering >> >> >> down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with >> >> >> the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not >> >> >> going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could >> >> >> get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study >> >> >> them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange >> >> >> business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators > to >> >> >> clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From >> >> >> inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we >> >> >> were in side shaft heaven! >> >> >> >> >> >> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new > pair >> >> >> of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white > bum >> >> >> showing in public was against the law too ;-) >> >> >> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than >> >> >> from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) >> >> >> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... >> >> >> Curt Holland >> >> >> Gastonia, NC >> >> >> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barry Gorman wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , >> >> >>> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled >> >> >>> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to >> >> >>> throw the blame in the wrong direction , >> >> >>> Regards , >> >> >>> Barry Gorman >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > SEL mailing list >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 23:48:37 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:48:37 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP In-Reply-To: <200503240039.j2O0dcJN088496@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <6f60251605032315122518abe1@mail.gmail.com> <200503240039.j2O0dcJN088496@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050323234847e587a0@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:39:02 -0600, Bill Dickerson wrote: > W2K is more stable IMHO. XP is fine, but has its own issues. > When you start adding bells and whistles, it takes more code, more > horsepower, and leads to instabilities. > Alas, progress - and the 'dumbing-down' of operating systems for the > masses.......... > > Bill Yes, we much prefer Win2kPro and have seven machines running it without any issues. I don't quite see why Microsoft introduced XP when they had a pretty good system in Win2kPro, but there are future licensing matters that are going to be a possible problem for XP users eventually if they get their way, and Win2kpro will probably be dropped after a few more years. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From solarrog at pacbell.net Thu Mar 24 00:24:23 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:24:23 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin><4241874D.5020104@imc-group.com><002301c52fec$82701ce0$3084dccb@oemcomputer><002401c53034$303c54a0$5f11fea9@merlin><00ad01c53042$176f1da0$433354d2@Cam> <005d01c53044$9491a710$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <000901c5304a$e37a6690$ea007643@D6R3D961> R.E. Dogs, I love dogs, but the last swap meet I was at 2 weeks ago smelled like dog crap something awful. It was really bad over near the coffee and snacks, We would like to believe people will do the right thing, but often they do not, Step in it and its the gift that keeps on giving all the way home. Im not looking down for you dog mines. so clean the dam things up. Or before you know it they will be banned. This is your heads up!. (or down as needed) Please note all dogs eat, the means all dogs P*** Just dont make it a poor experience for the rest of us. Remember you dog loves you, but would bite the hell out of us if he thought it was called for. right or wrong. Nobody would be happy with the end result. I also bet half of you do not have insurance to cover dog events. and Im not talking about dog mines. Make it nice for the rest of us also. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > the security gaurd at the sydney rally seen all sides . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cam grundy" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > >> I've never seen that side of you Brock >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brock Summerfield" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >> >> >>> nah not me i,m an angel some times >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "edd payne" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:08 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >>> >>> >>>> Hay Curt,They are all true!!!!!!!!!!! >>>> EDD PAYNE >>>> PO BOX 364 GULGONG >>>> New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >>>> 0263742387 >>>> edsingns at winsoft.net.au >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Curt" >>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:12 >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Brock, >>>>> I was so focused on taking engine and steamer pictures I failed to >>>>> take >>>>> a picture of the entire grounds. I'd like one if someone did. >>>>> Curt >>>>> P.S. Heard LOTS of wild stories about you at Narracoorte! ....Happy >>>>> Birthday! >>>>> >>>>> Brock Summerfield wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > G,day Curt >>>>> > >>>>> > i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the >>>>> > constuction industry mainly working on roads >>>>> > and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia >>>>> > bigger version of a withes hat >>>>> > we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic >>>>> > PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? >>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" >>>>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>>> > >>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM >>>>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >> Barry, >>>>> >> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all >>>>> >> claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the >>>>> >> Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but >>>>> >> there >>>>> >> was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences >>>>> >> were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash >>>>> >> against >>>>> >> the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting >>>>> >> one >>>>> >> of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT >>>>> >> a >>>>> >> requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a >>>>> >> decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that >>>>> >> said, >>>>> >> I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz >>>>> >> book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine >>>>> >> legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps >>>>> >> local >>>>> >> ordinances could dictate....but laws? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their >>>>> >> impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at >>>>> >> engines >>>>> >> from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are >>>>> >> to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm >>>>> >> guessing >>>>> >> the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred >>>>> >> metres >>>>> >> long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This >>>>> >> arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite >>>>> >> difficult >>>>> >> unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who >>>>> >> would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it >>>>> >> yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length >>>>> >> of >>>>> >> the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the >>>>> >> compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side >>>>> >> toward the fence. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering >>>>> >> down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with >>>>> >> the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not >>>>> >> going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could >>>>> >> get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study >>>>> >> them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange >>>>> >> business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators >>>>> >> to >>>>> >> clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From >>>>> >> inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we >>>>> >> were in side shaft heaven! >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new >>>>> >> pair >>>>> >> of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white >>>>> >> bum >>>>> >> showing in public was against the law too ;-) >>>>> >> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than >>>>> >> from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) >>>>> >> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... >>>>> >> Curt Holland >>>>> >> Gastonia, NC >>>>> >> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Barry Gorman wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , >>>>> >>> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled >>>>> >>> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to >>>>> >>> throw the blame in the wrong direction , >>>>> >>> Regards , >>>>> >>> Barry Gorman >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> SEL mailing list >>>>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > SEL mailing list >>>>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Mar 24 01:48:59 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:48:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin><4241874D.5020104@imc-group.com><002301c52fec$82701ce0$3084dccb@oemcomputer><002401c53034$303c54a0$5f11fea9@merlin><00ad01c53042$176f1da0$433354d2@Cam> <005d01c53044$9491a710$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <00e601c53056$b4a96c10$433354d2@Cam> I'll bet she will be around early next year, I think she loves you. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > the security gaurd at the sydney rally seen all sides . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cam grundy" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > >> I've never seen that side of you Brock >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brock Summerfield" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >> >> >>> nah not me i,m an angel some times >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "edd payne" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:08 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >>> >>> >>>> Hay Curt,They are all true!!!!!!!!!!! >>>> EDD PAYNE >>>> PO BOX 364 GULGONG >>>> New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >>>> 0263742387 >>>> edsingns at winsoft.net.au >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Curt" >>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:12 >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Brock, >>>>> I was so focused on taking engine and steamer pictures I failed to >>>>> take >>>>> a picture of the entire grounds. I'd like one if someone did. >>>>> Curt >>>>> P.S. Heard LOTS of wild stories about you at Narracoorte! ....Happy >>>>> Birthday! >>>>> >>>>> Brock Summerfield wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > G,day Curt >>>>> > >>>>> > i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the >>>>> > constuction industry mainly working on roads >>>>> > and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia >>>>> > bigger version of a withes hat >>>>> > we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic >>>>> > PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? >>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" >>>>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>>> > >>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM >>>>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >> Barry, >>>>> >> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all >>>>> >> claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the >>>>> >> Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but >>>>> >> there >>>>> >> was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences >>>>> >> were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash >>>>> >> against >>>>> >> the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting >>>>> >> one >>>>> >> of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT >>>>> >> a >>>>> >> requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a >>>>> >> decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that >>>>> >> said, >>>>> >> I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz >>>>> >> book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine >>>>> >> legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps >>>>> >> local >>>>> >> ordinances could dictate....but laws? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their >>>>> >> impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at >>>>> >> engines >>>>> >> from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are >>>>> >> to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm >>>>> >> guessing >>>>> >> the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred >>>>> >> metres >>>>> >> long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This >>>>> >> arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite >>>>> >> difficult >>>>> >> unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who >>>>> >> would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it >>>>> >> yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length >>>>> >> of >>>>> >> the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the >>>>> >> compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side >>>>> >> toward the fence. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering >>>>> >> down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with >>>>> >> the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not >>>>> >> going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could >>>>> >> get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study >>>>> >> them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange >>>>> >> business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators >>>>> >> to >>>>> >> clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From >>>>> >> inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we >>>>> >> were in side shaft heaven! >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new >>>>> >> pair >>>>> >> of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white >>>>> >> bum >>>>> >> showing in public was against the law too ;-) >>>>> >> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than >>>>> >> from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) >>>>> >> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... >>>>> >> Curt Holland >>>>> >> Gastonia, NC >>>>> >> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Barry Gorman wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , >>>>> >>> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled >>>>> >>> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to >>>>> >>> throw the blame in the wrong direction , >>>>> >>> Regards , >>>>> >>> Barry Gorman >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> SEL mailing list >>>>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > SEL mailing list >>>>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 24 02:34:35 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:34:35 -0000 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" References: <20050324015215.42485.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c5305d$1413f070$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" > Right you are Rick, > Plus you can have the belt on the loose pulley for engine starting. > I have a very nice old power hacksaw. > It was built to be powered by an overhead line shaft. > You flip a lever to move the belt from the loose pulley onto the locked one. The saw starts > cutting. When the saw cuts through,,, the frame hits a lever that moves a rod that comes around > and moves the belt back onto the loose wheel. > And here I thought that switch was such a handy thing on my electric metal cutting band saw. They > HAD to put that switch there to make it do what the old timers did mechanically. 8>)) > Alan Bowen Hi Alan, I took the following pictures about 20 years ago in a derelict cycle repair shop. I bought all the machine tools but couldn't access the motor & shafting. Sorry the pictures have deteriated over the years. See http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/303878124sNtrFH http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/303884342KxBWkW http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/303884364vcBeYh Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Mar 24 02:43:21 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:43:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><000c01c52f6d$7cd4aaa0$5f11fea9@merlin><4241874D.5020104@imc-group.com><002301c52fec$82701ce0$3084dccb@oemcomputer><002401c53034$303c54a0$5f11fea9@merlin><00ad01c53042$176f1da0$433354d2@Cam><005d01c53044$9491a710$5f11fea9@merlin> <00e601c53056$b4a96c10$433354d2@Cam> Message-ID: <002e01c5305e$4f6e1280$0301a8c0@Reg> One thing for sure, she aint ever seen the like before!!! (She told me!!) Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > I'll bet she will be around early next year, I think she loves you. Cam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brock Summerfield" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > > > the security gaurd at the sydney rally seen all sides . > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "cam grundy" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > > > > > >> I've never seen that side of you Brock > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Brock Summerfield" > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:41 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > >> > >> > >>> nah not me i,m an angel some times > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "edd payne" > >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:08 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > >>> > >>> > >>>> Hay Curt,They are all true!!!!!!!!!!! > >>>> EDD PAYNE > >>>> PO BOX 364 GULGONG > >>>> New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > >>>> 0263742387 > >>>> edsingns at winsoft.net.au > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Curt" > >>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:12 > >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Brock, > >>>>> I was so focused on taking engine and steamer pictures I failed to > >>>>> take > >>>>> a picture of the entire grounds. I'd like one if someone did. > >>>>> Curt > >>>>> P.S. Heard LOTS of wild stories about you at Narracoorte! ....Happy > >>>>> Birthday! > >>>>> > >>>>> Brock Summerfield wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > G,day Curt > >>>>> > > >>>>> > i hope you took a pic of the fence also about fence i work in the > >>>>> > constuction industry mainly working on roads > >>>>> > and we dont have to have a fence around us when were working we ia > >>>>> > bigger version of a withes hat > >>>>> > we have never had a prob and were work in the traffic > >>>>> > PS one of the guys at work brings his dog to work some times ? > >>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" > >>>>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM > >>>>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> >> Barry, > >>>>> >> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all > >>>>> >> claiming it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the > >>>>> >> Naracoorte ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but > >>>>> >> there > >>>>> >> was a rumor floating around the National this year that the fences > >>>>> >> were NOT the law. Apparently there was considerable backlash > >>>>> >> against > >>>>> >> the folks manning the insurance tent and that during some meeting > >>>>> >> one > >>>>> >> of the insurance reps stood up and stated that the fences were NOT > >>>>> >> a > >>>>> >> requirement of the national insurance body, but rather that was a > >>>>> >> decision left to the local clubs managing the shows. With that > >>>>> >> said, > >>>>> >> I have to question if there is really such a trivial law on the Oz > >>>>> >> book that bans unrestrained pets in public places. Hard to imagine > >>>>> >> legislators wasting their time on such trivial matters. Perhaps > >>>>> >> local > >>>>> >> ordinances could dictate....but laws? > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their > >>>>> >> impact on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at > >>>>> >> engines > >>>>> >> from outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are > >>>>> >> to impose extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm > >>>>> >> guessing > >>>>> >> the compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred > >>>>> >> metres > >>>>> >> long. There was a removable fence section at each end. This > >>>>> >> arrangement made unloading and loading one's engines quite > >>>>> >> difficult > >>>>> >> unless you simply relinquished the task to the crane operator who > >>>>> >> would set your engine over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it > >>>>> >> yourself you had to roll your display all the way down the length > >>>>> >> of > >>>>> >> the compound since there were no intermediate openings in the > >>>>> >> compounds. Most displays were set with the more interesting side > >>>>> >> toward the fence. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering > >>>>> >> down the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with > >>>>> >> the workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not > >>>>> >> going to do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could > >>>>> >> get a better look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study > >>>>> >> them, touch them, meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange > >>>>> >> business cards, take pictures without having to wait on spectators > >>>>> >> to > >>>>> >> clear the area, read s/n's and other tag information, etc. From > >>>>> >> inside it felt just like an engine show in the US....except that we > >>>>> >> were in side shaft heaven! > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new > >>>>> >> pair > >>>>> >> of shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white > >>>>> >> bum > >>>>> >> showing in public was against the law too ;-) > >>>>> >> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than > >>>>> >> from the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-) > >>>>> >> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment..... > >>>>> >> Curt Holland > >>>>> >> Gastonia, NC > >>>>> >> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> Barry Gorman wrote: > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >>> Reg , I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law , > >>>>> >>> Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled > >>>>> >>> under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to > >>>>> >>> throw the blame in the wrong direction , > >>>>> >>> Regards , > >>>>> >>> Barry Gorman > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> >> SEL mailing list > >>>>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>>> > SEL mailing list > >>>>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> SEL mailing list > >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> SEL mailing list > >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SEL mailing list > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Mar 24 04:15:55 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:15:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: <20050323.210647.428.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Thanks Ron. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ====================== >From: rdhaskell at juno.com > >"About .003-.005" per inch of bore is typically recommended." > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 24 04:21:41 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:21:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP References: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com><6f60251605032315454bfa8cf0@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160503232344623dac53@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you Peter. I'm a learnin' RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP > On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:02:31 -0700, Richard Strobel > wrote: > > What attribute should I change them to and can I do that in bulk? > > > > Thanks much Peter > > RickinMt. > > Go to the folder of the copied files, click on one file (not > double-click) so the name is highlighted, then Ctrl-A (Conbtrol-A) to > select all files, then right-click on any file while they are all > highlighted. > > That will bring up a dialogue (dialog) box, at the bottom of which > should be the attributes. Untick the 'read-only' box and then click > 'Apply'. If there are any subdirectories in there you will be asked > 'for this folder or all folders' or something like that, you need to > select all folders. > > That should clear the Read-Only attribute and enable the files to be > edited. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 04:46:18 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:46:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com> <6f60251605032315454bfa8cf0@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160503232344623dac53@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605032404467b39aebc@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:21:41 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > Thank you Peter. I'm a learnin' > > RickinMt. No problem, we've been there...:-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Thu Mar 24 05:02:06 2005 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:02:06 EST Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. Message-ID: <1c7.24ffe105.2f74144e@aol.com> >From one who was at the Friday night meeting right to the end. The insurance rep stated that the insurer put no restrictions at all on rallys and that they would cover our negligence. The NHMA imposed the rules or guidlines through a sytem of risk management ( which is the buzz word for all things in this modern era). However if there should be a claim in the future due to negligence then the premiums paid by the clubs and individuals would reflect this but would not necessarily preclude us from being insured. Could the Yanks please explain there system of public liability insurance , I have been told that it is paid individually along with house insurance is that so? Everybody seems to be an expert on what happens in Oz lets here from the rest of the world Woody Peter Woodmore 27 Craig Ave Moorebank 2170 NSW Australia From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 24 05:14:55 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:14:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP References: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com><6f60251605032315454bfa8cf0@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160503232344623dac53@mail.gmail.com> <6f60251605032404467b39aebc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter, the only choices I get are "hidden" and "read only." Help..lost again..what should I pick? RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:21:41 -0700, Richard Strobel > wrote: > > Thank you Peter. I'm a learnin' > > > > RickinMt. > > No problem, we've been there...:-)) > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Wed Mar 23 20:57:21 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:57:21 +0800 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" In-Reply-To: References: <66.53846661.2f7306a3@aol.com> <424204CB.4080209@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <424248B1.4060706@optusnet.com.au> Richard Strobel wrote: >Thats the way I would think it would work also. Thanks Jack!! It will be >fun playing with the setup when we get her going. > >later, >RickinMt. > > > > >>With most of the fast & loose pulley systems I've seen (and used!), the >>fast and loose pulleys were crowned but there was no crowning on the >>double-width driver. >>The shifting-gear (usually overhead and actuated by either a long lever >>or a rope) has guides to push the belt sideways as required, but is not >>required to act as an alignment device. In fact, when properly set up, >>the guides stand clear of the edges of the belt except when shifting the >>belt across. >> >>Jack in Oz >> >> >> >> ******** I forgot to mention in my previous that the crowning on the two adjacent driven pulleys gives an almost servo-mechanism type action. When the striking gear is engaged to nudge the belt off whichever driven pulley it is on at the time, an action similar to over-centre action occurs, the belt slips across to climb the adjacent pulley's crown. In other words, it is not brute force pushing the belt across. Of course, the inertia of the driven machine may require you to hold pressure on for a few moments while it winds up. (I can just hear my grandkids now - "Tell is some more yarns about the olden days, Grandad!) Jack in Oz ******* From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 05:56:21 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:56:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com> <6f60251605032315454bfa8cf0@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160503232344623dac53@mail.gmail.com> <6f60251605032404467b39aebc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050324055623af6728@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:14:55 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > Peter, the only choices I get are "hidden" and "read only." > > Help..lost again..what should I pick? > > RickinMt. OK, in that case they are already editable. Try and open a picture file and edit the picture, if it is Read-Only you won't be able to save it. If it saves after any changes, it's NOT a Read-Only file. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 24 05:57:06 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:57:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap References: <20050323.210647.428.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <002401c53079$5dc38d40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Hi Luke. > This was taken from a past posting: > > "About .003-.005" per inch of bore is typically recommended." but 4 rhymes with bore From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Mar 24 06:34:41 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:34:41 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <1c7.24ffe105.2f74144e@aol.com> Message-ID: <002301c5307e$a17f8a70$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Peter, Here in The Netherlands it's very simple. The club or organizers of a show are insured for the grounds, like buildings, decorating stuff, flag poles etc etc. The members are insured for there stuff, exploding engines, flying flywheels etc etc. cost me $35 for the year and it doesn't matter how many engines or tractors I have or bring to the show. Spectators that stick there hand in a spinning flywheel is a pitty, but it's their own fault. Of course we as members watching the people what they are doing especial the kids. We have only a rope along the lanes and the experience is that spectators stay at their side and only a few real interested people come over the rope and mostly with permission of a member. Some members bring dogs, but they are all trained, no sniffing on gas cans, hot mufflers or spinning flywheels :o)) and you don't find droppings, there is a special piece of grass at the outside of the grounds. Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > >From one who was at the Friday night meeting right to the end. > The insurance rep stated that the insurer put no restrictions at all on > rallys and that they would cover our negligence. The NHMA imposed the rules or > guidlines through a sytem of risk management ( which is the buzz word for all > things in this modern era). > However if there should be a claim in the future due to negligence then the > premiums paid by the clubs and individuals would reflect this but would not > necessarily preclude us from being insured. > Could the Yanks please explain there system of public liability insurance , I > have been told that it is paid individually along with house insurance is > that so? Everybody seems to be an expert on what happens in Oz lets here from the > rest of the world > > > Woody > > Peter Woodmore > 27 Craig Ave > Moorebank > 2170 > NSW > Australia > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 24 06:46:00 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:46:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP References: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com><6f60251605032315454bfa8cf0@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160503232344623dac53@mail.gmail.com><6f60251605032404467b39aebc@mail.gmail.com> <6f602516050324055623af6728@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ok thanks again!! Rick in 8" of snow and 18 above..ouch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:14:55 -0700, Richard Strobel > wrote: > > Peter, the only choices I get are "hidden" and "read only." > > > > Help..lost again..what should I pick? > > > > RickinMt. > > OK, in that case they are already editable. Try and open a picture > file and edit the picture, if it is Read-Only you won't be able to > save it. If it saves after any changes, it's NOT a Read-Only file. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 24 06:51:31 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:51:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" References: <66.53846661.2f7306a3@aol.com> <424204CB.4080209@optusnet.com.au> <424248B1.4060706@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: I only hope us baby boomers can carry on the old yarn tradition. They are fantastic!! Rick > (I can just hear my grandkids now - "Tell is some more yarns about the > olden days, Grandad!) > > Jack in Oz > ******* > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Mar 24 06:59:56 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:59:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <1c7.24ffe105.2f74144e@aol.com> References: <1c7.24ffe105.2f74144e@aol.com> Message-ID: <4242D5EC.4050701@imc-group.com> Peter, In the States there are no federal laws saying that a public event has to be covered by liability insurance. To my knowledge there are no states with such laws in place either. In fact some states have passed laws stating that for many public events, the organizers cannot be held liable for injuries. In particular equestrian events. In the States as a club (or an individual) you would be free to put on an event without liability insurance. You are free to take your chances that no one will be injured. You are free to take your chances that if someone is injured they will not sue you. You are free to take your chances that if you are sued, the jury will not award damages to the injured, for which you or the club would be responsible. In my opinion, for any public event of any significant size one would be nuts to assume such risk, but none the less you are FREE to make that decision. Once one decides he needs to insure his public event, he contacts several private insurance companies and requests quotes to provide liability insurance. The one buying the insurance decides how much insurance they wish to buy. If they want they can buy as little as $100,000 of insurance. I'd venture a guess that many buy $1 million dollar policies. For certain the agents selling the insurance know nothing about the hobby and you will never see an insurance booth set up at a show. They really don't care. They are simply assuming a risk for public injury for a specific period of time, independent of the event. It could be a concert, a car show, an engine show, etc. The only hiccup was a few years ago after the Medina, OH steam traction engine explosion. It was nearly impossible to purchase liability insurance for the first couple of years after that accident if you were going to have steam at your show. Now that all states are up to snuff and have annual boiler inspections in place, the insurance companies are beginning to insure shows that have steam again. What I gather has happened in Oz is that the insurance conglomerate has lobbied your legislature to put into place laws that demand liability insurance for all public events. Whether or not this was the best thing for Oz is yet to be determined, but it is undeniable that it is a collusive effort to extract dollars from each and every person, and to spread the results of law suits amongst the entire populous. But that is the essence of socialism isn't it! Mind you this is not a slight against Oz. My observations of the wonderful people of Oz is that everyone seems happy and content. However, to someone with the _freedom_ to make the choice about insurance, your system seems intrusive, coercive, and imposing. Everyone in Oz shrugs this off saying it is only $15 a year, so what! It works for you. It is simply a different system. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Peterwoodmore at aol.com wrote: >>From one who was at the Friday night meeting right to the end. >The insurance rep stated that the insurer put no restrictions at all on >rallys and that they would cover our negligence. The NHMA imposed the rules or >guidlines through a sytem of risk management ( which is the buzz word for all >things in this modern era). >However if there should be a claim in the future due to negligence then the >premiums paid by the clubs and individuals would reflect this but would not >necessarily preclude us from being insured. >Could the Yanks please explain there system of public liability insurance , I >have been told that it is paid individually along with house insurance is >that so? Everybody seems to be an expert on what happens in Oz lets here from the >rest of the world > > >Woody > >Peter Woodmore >27 Craig Ave >Moorebank >2170 >NSW >Australia >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Thu Mar 24 07:13:34 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:13:34 -0800 Subject: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" References: <20050324015215.42485.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000401c5305d$1413f070$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <003201c53084$0da4d610$6bd40304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Dave, Thanks for the pictures, really interesting. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Bowen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:52 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] "Free wheel, Locked wheel" > > >> Right you are Rick, >> Plus you can have the belt on the loose pulley for engine starting. >> I have a very nice old power hacksaw. >> It was built to be powered by an overhead line shaft. >> You flip a lever to move the belt from the loose pulley onto the locked >> one. The saw starts >> cutting. When the saw cuts through,,, the frame hits a lever that moves >> a rod that comes around >> and moves the belt back onto the loose wheel. >> And here I thought that switch was such a handy thing on my electric >> metal cutting band saw. They >> HAD to put that switch there to make it do what the old timers did >> mechanically. 8>)) >> Alan Bowen > > Hi Alan, I took the following pictures about 20 years ago in a derelict > cycle repair shop. > I bought all the machine tools but couldn't access the motor & shafting. > Sorry the pictures have deteriated over the years. > See > http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/303878124sNtrFH > http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/303884342KxBWkW > http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/303884364vcBeYh > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Mar 24 07:17:30 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:17:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <00c901c52ffa$b409d580$88a2fea9@adsl> References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <42418F9D.5040206@imc-group.com> <00c901c52ffa$b409d580$88a2fea9@adsl> Message-ID: <4242DA0A.8020603@imc-group.com> Steven, Who paid for the fence and posts? Curt Steven N Kitto wrote: >Curt >The only cost to the club for the erection of the compounds was the labour >in putting them up and taking them down. And that was volunteered. > >A member of the public said to me on the Saturday that he was pleased with >the fences around the compounds because it was safe to let his children >wander to see the engines etc, without the fear of them getting tangled in >the machines. Worth passing on. > >Steve and Denise Kitto >4 Fifth Ave >Naracoorte >South Australia >Ph 08 87621147 > > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 07:25:23 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:25:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT... need some computer advice for Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: <4241D7B1.1090702@imc-group.com> <6f60251605032315454bfa8cf0@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160503232344623dac53@mail.gmail.com> <6f60251605032404467b39aebc@mail.gmail.com> <6f602516050324055623af6728@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050324072570c9f7dc@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:46:00 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > Ok thanks again!! > Rick in 8" of snow and 18 above..ouch Sunny and about 16 degrees (Centigrade or 61 Degrees Fahrenheit) here..... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From curt at imc-group.com Thu Mar 24 07:31:05 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:31:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter In-Reply-To: <009f01c5301c$4811a2a0$230110ac@PAUL> References: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL> <42422464.609@earthlink.net> <009f01c5301c$4811a2a0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <4242DD39.9070203@imc-group.com> Paul, It is a little hard to see the picture details, but since you have no keyway to guide with perhaps another guide could be fabricated. It looks like you have about an 1-1/2 of shaft sticking out. You could take a piece of round stock maybe 4" long and bore it down the length for a tight slip fit over the exposed shaft. From the end mill a slot the width of your gib key and as deep as the key protrudes from the hub. Then drill your guide hole down the length of the round stock, the correct distance off centerline such that it will meet centerline of the gib key. Keep in mind the .010/inch taper so that when you get in deep in the gib key you are not breaking into the flywheel taper. Curt Paul Maples wrote: > Jeff this looks great but you had quite a bit of empty keyway to put > the square keystock in, I have no empty keyway to put any keystock in. > What do you recommend as an alternative way to get the keystock lined > up with the gib key so I don't drill off center. I tried to drill out > a gib key on a 1-1/2 - 2-1/2 LB engine pulley and it drilled off > center and went through the pulley. I sure would hate to drill through > the hub. > > Thanks for info, this is a great way to get one out if you have some > extra keyway for the keystock, nice write up and great pictures. > Definitely filing this away for future reference. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:22 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > > >> Paul, >> >> Drill it out. Here's the first one I did. >> >> http://frapa.us/Gib/Gib/Gib.html >> >> Jeff Allen >> >> Paul Maples wrote: >> >>> Ok Gang, as usual I am stuck and need the help and wisdom of all of >>> the engine czar's. I am working on my little 1-1/2 HP Petter Apple >>> Top engine, it is 99% complete, runs, but is missing the brass >>> governor shoe that runs in the governor collar. Roland Craven has >>> graciously offered to make one for me but he needs the dimensions of >>> the collar that the shoe runs in. I am was able to get a measurement >>> of the collar on the engine and determined that from the top to the >>> bottom of the collar there was a .015 to .020 taper. Roland ask me >>> to remove the collar and have someone true it up and then send him >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Mar 24 07:38:25 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:38:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fire at Buckley Show Grounds Message-ID: http://www.cadillacnews.com/articles/2005/03/23/news/news01.txt http://www.record-eagle.com/2005/mar/23bfire.htm Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca Thu Mar 24 08:12:51 2005 From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:12:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050324161251.57953.qmail@web51408.mail.yahoo.com> Paul - My Son and I removed several just recently and we didn't use the key stock method. We just lined it up by eye very carefully and drilled. Drill your hole only about 1-1/2" deep. Just enough to tap the threads for a bolt. If you can get a 5/16" or 3/8" bolt in the key it should come out. Use a Grade 8 bolt if possible. It should work out OK. Just take your time. Larry. Paul Maples wrote: Larry if you read my last post to Jeff Alan you will note that my greatest fear is drilling off center and going through the hub of the flywheel. I don't have enough empty keyway to use a piece of center drilled keystock for a guide. Also if you will look closely you will note that the tank on the end is bent outwards from me using a gib key puller on it so I no longer have a nice square perpendicular surface to start trying to drill a straight hole. Thanks. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Anger" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > Paul - I have had success every time by drilling and tapping a hole in the > end of the key and using a slide hammer to pull the key. Use as large as > possible size bolt to pull with. Use extreme care to get the hole drilled > in the center of the key. > > Larry Anger. > > Paul Maples wrote: > Ok Gang, as usual I am stuck and need the help and wisdom of all of the > engine czar's. I am working on my little 1-1/2 HP Petter Apple Top engine, > it is 99% complete, runs, but is missing the brass governor shoe that runs > in the governor collar. Roland Craven has graciously offered to make one > for me but he needs the dimensions of the collar that the shoe runs in. I > am was able to get a measurement of the collar on the engine and > determined that from the top to the bottom of the collar there was a .015 > to .020 taper. Roland ask me to remove the collar and have someone true it > up and then send him the dimensions. > > I got the starting dog and governor cover (sauce pan) off fairly easy but > have been working for a week trying to get the gib key out of the flywheel > so I can get to the collar. I have been applying Kroil penetrating oil to > it for over a week. I have an original gib key removal tool and have been > trying it but I am about to clip off the tang on the gib key by applying > so much pressure and it still has not moved. I am about to fire up the > blue wrench but hate to put heat on a flywheel hub. > > I am open to any suggestions to get this key out. Here are some pictures > of the engine and gib key I am working on. > > http://client.webshots.com/photo/303593896/303593896UaQekG > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 24 08:15:06 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:15:06 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <1c7.24ffe105.2f74144e@aol.com> <002301c5307e$a17f8a70$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <000a01c5308c$a62eb240$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Hi Peter, > Here in The Netherlands it's very simple. > The club or organizers of a show are insured for the grounds, > like buildings, decorating stuff, flag poles etc etc. > The members are insured for there stuff, exploding engines, > flying flywheels etc etc. cost me $35 for the year and it doesn't > matter how many engines or tractors I have or bring to the show. > Spectators that stick there hand in a spinning flywheel is a pitty, > but it's their own fault. > Of course we as members watching the people what they are > doing especial the kids. > We have only a rope along the lanes and the experience is that > spectators stay at their side and only a few real interested people > come over the rope and mostly with permission of a member. > Some members bring dogs, but they are all trained, no sniffing > on gas cans, hot mufflers or spinning flywheels :o)) and you don't > find droppings, there is a special piece of grass at the outside of > the grounds. John Hammink Hi John, The Dutch seem very good at maintenance when over here! 8^) http://community.webshots.com/photo/78097478/303978780SMjfQJ Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 24 08:32:34 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:32:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fire at Buckley Show Grounds References: Message-ID: Man, that makes me sick. Will use it as a wakeup call and evaluate the shed today. Ya know come to think about it, I don't have any fire alarms in the shed. And there isn't a trip to the city goldmine that I don't find sprinkler heads and piping available at 15 cents a pound. FWIW Luke, thanks for the wakeup and reminder. That's a real loss. later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:38 AM Subject: [SEL] Fire at Buckley Show Grounds > > http://www.cadillacnews.com/articles/2005/03/23/news/news01.txt > > http://www.record-eagle.com/2005/mar/23bfire.htm > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Mar 24 08:45:27 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:45:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fire at Buckley Show Grounds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050324114357.025f8458@mail.alltel.net> At 10:38 AM 3/24/2005, you wrote: >http://www.cadillacnews.com/articles/2005/03/23/news/news01.txt >http://www.record-eagle.com/2005/mar/23bfire.htm >Luke Tonneberger Hi Luke, Is/are there any talk/plans to take up a collection of some sort to replace the building? Dave From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Mar 24 09:11:53 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:11:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fire at Buckley Show Grounds In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050324114357.025f8458@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: I don't know the answer to that Dave. I do know that Alan Bowen lives up that way and is a new member of the club. I also know that Jim Dunmyer is a member. They might have further info........ Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================ >From: Dave Rotigel > >Hi Luke, > Is/are there any talk/plans to take up a collection of some sort >to replace the building? > Dave From gwaugh at wowway.com Thu Mar 24 09:31:17 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:31:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fire at Buckley Show Grounds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503241731.j2OHVGt24388@pop-6.dnv.wideopenwest.com> This does bring to mind that it is very, very easy to install a "rough", unapproved but VERY EFFECTIVE sprinkler system in a shed, shop, garage etc. as long as the space is heated. It is possible but much more complicated to protect unheated spaces. Where appearance is secondary it doesn't take much to run a length of pipe overhead and install a few heads. You don't need the schedule 80 black iron pipe used commercially--copper water pipe is fine; even plastics are approved for residential use in some jurisdictions. As long as there is water flowing in it, it ain't gonna melt!! Again, for shop use, the freezing factor is the biggie. Just make sure to guard those heads against accidental damage; they can make one heck of a mess!! Gene -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:33 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fire at Buckley Show Grounds Man, that makes me sick. Will use it as a wakeup call and evaluate the shed today. Ya know come to think about it, I don't have any fire alarms in the shed. And there isn't a trip to the city goldmine that I don't find sprinkler heads and piping available at 15 cents a pound. FWIW Luke, thanks for the wakeup and reminder. That's a real loss. later, RickinMt. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Mar 24 09:39:48 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:39:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <1c7.24ffe105.2f74144e@aol.com><002301c5307e$a17f8a70$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <000a01c5308c$a62eb240$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <002501c53098$7d94e780$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Dave, always remember the engine needs some lub so now and then. Sure we had a good time in the UK. Thanks, John H. > Hi John, The Dutch seem very good at maintenance when over here! 8^) > http://community.webshots.com/photo/78097478/303978780SMjfQJ > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 24 10:09:13 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:09:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter In-Reply-To: <4242DD39.9070203@imc-group.com> References: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL> <42422464.609@earthlink.net> <009f01c5301c$4811a2a0$230110ac@PAUL> <4242DD39.9070203@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Paul, Curt has described exactly what I was going to suggest. The only thing I would add is to drill a hole down the center of the fixture so that you can run a bolt through it and into the tapped hole in the end of the crankshaft. That will keep your fixture from moving around as you work. The threaded hole may be Whitworth. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Curt wrote: > It is a little hard to see the picture details, but since you have no > keyway to guide with perhaps another guide could be fabricated. It looks > like you have about an 1-1/2 of shaft sticking out. You could take a > piece of round stock maybe 4" long and bore it down the length for a > tight slip fit over the exposed shaft. From the end mill a slot the > width of your gib key and as deep as the key protrudes from the hub. > Then drill your guide hole down the length of the round stock, the > correct distance off centerline such that it will meet centerline of the > gib key. Keep in mind the .010/inch taper so that when you get in deep > in the gib key you are not breaking into the flywheel taper. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 24 10:14:59 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:14:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] john deere chop Message-ID: <001901c5309d$64d979e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> everybodies building butt buggies http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1111417996.JPG tendency to push in the turns http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1111417910.JPG Chuck http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Mar 24 10:24:51 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:24:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fire at Buckley Show Grounds In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050324114357.025f8458@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: I just spoke with Jim Luper and there are no plans for a collection. The building was well insured he said. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: Dave Rotigel > >Hi Luke, > Is/are there any talk/plans to take up a collection of some sort >to replace the building? > Dave From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Mar 24 10:38:17 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:38:17 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter / now flywheel taper In-Reply-To: <4242DD39.9070203@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, I have a question in regards to your comment 'flywheel taper'. Is the keyway that is cut into the hub of a flywheel tapered to match the taper of the gib key or is the keyway cut straight? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================== >From: Curt > >Keep in mind the .010/inch taper so that when you get in deep in the gib >key you are not breaking into the flywheel taper. >Curt From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Mar 24 10:50:07 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:50:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fire at Buckley Show Grounds In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050324114357.025f8458@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050324134937.025eda48@mail.alltel.net> >The building was well insured he said. >Luke Tonneberger That's good to know! Dave From curt at imc-group.com Thu Mar 24 11:28:25 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:28:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter / now flywheel taper In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424314D9.8010001@imc-group.com> Luke, My opinion is that the hub should be cut on the same 1/8"/foot taper to match the gib key taper. If not then there is a single line of contact between the key and the hub and this 1) does not hold nearly as well and 2) tends to tip the flywheel on the shaft. A while back there was a discussion about this concerning Baker Monitor gears and hubs. The one Devin and I are working certainly has tapered keyways although some Baker experts indicate this should not be. Curt Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Curt, > > I have a question in regards to your comment 'flywheel taper'. Is the > keyway that is cut into the hub of a flywheel tapered to match the > taper of the gib key or is the keyway cut straight? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ======================== > >> From: Curt >> >> Keep in mind the .010/inch taper so that when you get in deep in the >> gib key you are not breaking into the flywheel taper. >> Curt > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 24 10:27:40 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:27:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter References: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL> <42422464.609@earthlink.net><009f01c5301c$4811a2a0$230110ac@PAUL><4242DD39.9070203@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <008901c5309f$2b63c7e0$230110ac@PAUL> Hello Arnie, For some strange reason I never saw Curt's post so I am just now reading it for the first time. I don't have a mill so I have no way of milling a slot in a piece of round stock, might could take it to a local machine shop and get them to do it if it is not too expensive. Thanks for the help, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > Paul, > > Curt has described exactly what I was going to suggest. The only thing I > would add is to drill a hole down the center of the fixture so that you > can run a bolt through it and into the tapped hole in the end of the > crankshaft. That will keep your fixture from moving around as you work. > The threaded hole may be Whitworth. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Curt wrote: > >> It is a little hard to see the picture details, but since you have no >> keyway to guide with perhaps another guide could be fabricated. It looks >> like you have about an 1-1/2 of shaft sticking out. You could take a >> piece of round stock maybe 4" long and bore it down the length for a >> tight slip fit over the exposed shaft. From the end mill a slot the >> width of your gib key and as deep as the key protrudes from the hub. >> Then drill your guide hole down the length of the round stock, the >> correct distance off centerline such that it will meet centerline of the >> gib key. Keep in mind the .010/inch taper so that when you get in deep >> in the gib key you are not breaking into the flywheel taper. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Thu Mar 24 12:31:48 2005 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:31:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cripes Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A703FE5F7D@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=7502091254 A little rich, or am I behind the times? Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 24 12:39:59 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:39:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter / now flywheel taper In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Luke, If memory serves (back to my days as an apprentice machinist measuring keyways and cutting tapered keys to fit), the taper was in the hub (gear, bearing race, whatever). The bottom of the keyway in the shaft was flat and parallel to the shaft. I have not done similar measurements on old engine flywheels, but given that the needed action (broaching) is the same, I'd guess the outcome would be the same. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > I have a question in regards to your comment 'flywheel taper'. Is the > keyway that is cut into the hub of a flywheel tapered to match the taper of > the gib key or is the keyway cut straight? From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Mar 24 13:15:41 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:15:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter / now flywheel taper In-Reply-To: <424314D9.8010001@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Thanks Curt. Luke ==================== >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter / now flywheel taper >Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:28:25 -0500 > >Luke, >My opinion is that the hub should be cut on the same 1/8"/foot taper to >match the gib key taper. If not then there is a single line of contact >between the key and the hub and this 1) does not hold nearly as well and 2) >tends to tip the flywheel on the shaft. > >A while back there was a discussion about this concerning Baker Monitor >gears and hubs. The one Devin and I are working certainly has tapered >keyways although some Baker experts indicate this should not be. >Curt > >Luke Tonneberger wrote: > >>Hi Curt, >> >>I have a question in regards to your comment 'flywheel taper'. Is the >>keyway that is cut into the hub of a flywheel tapered to match the taper >>of the gib key or is the keyway cut straight? >> >>Luke Tonneberger >>Rockford, Michigan >>USA >>======================== >> >>>From: Curt >>> >>>Keep in mind the .010/inch taper so that when you get in deep in the gib >>>key you are not breaking into the flywheel taper. >>>Curt From nick at holden1.net Thu Mar 24 13:36:06 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:36:06 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter / now flywheel taper References: <424314D9.8010001@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <424332C6.000001.02860@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Curt if you have ever tried to fit a hub backwards then you will find out that both are tapered as they will not fit well if you get them on the wrong way round Nick -------Original Message------- From: Curt Date: 03/24/05 19:37:12 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter / now flywheel taper Luke, My opinion is that the hub should be cut on the same 1/8"/foot taper to match the gib key taper. If not then there is a single line of contact between the key and the hub and this 1) does not hold nearly as well and 2) tends to tip the flywheel on the shaft. A while back there was a discussion about this concerning Baker Monitor gears and hubs. The one Devin and I are working certainly has tapered keyways although some Baker experts indicate this should not be. Curt Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Curt, > > I have a question in regards to your comment 'flywheel taper'. Is the > keyway that is cut into the hub of a flywheel tapered to match the > taper of the gib key or is the keyway cut straight? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ======================== > >> From: Curt >> >> Keep in mind the .010/inch taper so that when you get in deep in the >> gib key you are not breaking into the flywheel taper. >> Curt > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Thu Mar 24 13:58:09 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:58:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Cripes In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050324215809.95866.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Bruce It's only a Spark Plug John Deere (I have seen them sell for over $2000)... On a repro cart ($280) ...on ebay with a decent paint job... Now if it were an EP John Deere....watch out... I did recognize the seller and know them...They just sent me some a part for Independent Harvester...I mentioned that I need to get one when I stopped by their place and it appeared at my house a week later. I wasn't expecting it...They spun it up on their lathe.... Steve --- Bruce Younger wrote: http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=7502091254 A little rich, or am I behind the times? Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Thu Mar 24 14:05:06 2005 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:05:06 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter References: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL> <42422464.609@earthlink.net> <009f01c5301c$4811a2a0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <001601c530bd$8bd8ca80$0297e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Paul , You could try the method that we use .Carefully weld on a piece of rod to the head of the key , the rod should have another piece welded on the end to look like a large gib key. Allow this to cool and a few swift bangs with a largish hammer and either the key will fly out or the weld will break, in this case just try again (this method has not let me down in the past). See you latter, Craig in sunny Scotland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > Jeff this looks great but you had quite a bit of empty keyway to put the > square keystock in, I have no empty keyway to put any keystock in. What do > you recommend as an alternative way to get the keystock lined up with the > gib key so I don't drill off center. I tried to drill out a gib key on a > 1-1/2 - 2-1/2 LB engine pulley and it drilled off center and went through > the pulley. I sure would hate to drill through the hub. > > Thanks for info, this is a great way to get one out if you have some extra > keyway for the keystock, nice write up and great pictures. Definitely > filing this away for future reference. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:22 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > > >> Paul, >> >> Drill it out. Here's the first one I did. >> >> http://frapa.us/Gib/Gib/Gib.html >> >> Jeff Allen >> >> Paul Maples wrote: >> >>>Ok Gang, as usual I am stuck and need the help and wisdom of all of the >>>engine czar's. I am working on my little 1-1/2 HP Petter Apple Top >>>engine, it is 99% complete, runs, but is missing the brass governor shoe >>>that runs in the governor collar. Roland Craven has graciously offered to >>>make one for me but he needs the dimensions of the collar that the shoe >>>runs in. I am was able to get a measurement of the collar on the engine >>>and determined that from the top to the bottom of the collar there was a >>>.015 to .020 taper. Roland ask me to remove the collar and have someone >>>true it up and then send him > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Mar 24 14:11:54 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:11:54 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Bessemer. Message-ID: <000701c530be$804f5750$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Arnie, have you seen the fantastic workmansship that Craig Prucha did on your cylinder? http://www.antique-engine.com/shopwork/shopwork36.htm I love his workshop pictures very much and the way he find solutions for all that different machine work. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From curt at imc-group.com Thu Mar 24 14:21:20 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:21:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42433D60.4000604@imc-group.com> G'day SEL, I have put up a few of the pictures taken at the National in Narracoorte, SA. Mine were taken in low res. to make it easier on web page writing. Hope the resolution is decent enough. Sorry about the long index page of thumbnail, but there was a LOT to see. There are 216 thumbnails of tractors, trucks, and engines to look at. Hope you enjoy this side shaft heaven. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Thumbnails.html Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 24 14:44:40 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:44:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter References: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL> <42422464.609@earthlink.net><009f01c5301c$4811a2a0$230110ac@PAUL> <001601c530bd$8bd8ca80$0297e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <00f601c530c3$12cdcb80$230110ac@PAUL> Craig I think my options are just about down to your method. The large end of the gib key with the tab on it has cracked from all of the prying I have done on it so it is going to break off if I pry on it anymore so I think I better either try drilling and taping some threads, screw in a bolt and then weld it in for good measure and then use a slide hammer to knock it out. Thanks for the input I appreciate it very much. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > Hi Paul , > You could try the method that we use .Carefully weld on a piece of > rod to the head of the key , the rod should have another piece welded on > the end to look like a large gib key. Allow this to cool and a few swift > bangs with a largish hammer and either the key will fly out or the weld > will break, in this case just try again (this method has not let me down > in the past). > > From lsain33 at charter.net Thu Mar 24 18:07:04 2005 From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:07:04 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt References: <42433D60.4000604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <007001c530df$571b62e0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Great photos, Curt. Thanks for posting. Love them Blackstones! Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:21 PM Subject: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt > G'day SEL, > I have put up a few of the pictures taken at the National in > Narracoorte, SA. Mine were taken in low res. to make it easier on web > page writing. Hope the resolution is decent enough. Sorry about the long > index page of thumbnail, but there was a LOT to see. There are 216 > thumbnails of tractors, trucks, and engines to look at. > Hope you enjoy this side shaft heaven. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Thumbnails.htm l > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 > > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Mar 24 15:25:55 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:25:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt In-Reply-To: <42433D60.4000604@imc-group.com> References: <42433D60.4000604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050324182341.0ee59f80@mail.alltel.net> At 05:21 PM 3/24/2005, you wrote: >G'day SEL, >I have put up a few of the pictures taken at the National in Narracoorte, >SA. Mine were taken in low res. to make it easier on web page writing. >Hope the resolution is decent enough. Sorry about the long index page of >thumbnail, but there was a LOT to see. There are 216 thumbnails of >tractors, trucks, and engines to look at. >Hope you enjoy this side shaft heaven. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Thumbnails.html >Curt Holland Hi Curt, Great pictures! Who the hell is the good lookin chick with the GREAT legs and blue plaid mini skirt that shows up in several of the pictures? Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 24 15:36:33 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:36:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Bessemer. In-Reply-To: <000701c530be$804f5750$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <000701c530be$804f5750$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Hi John, When the Bessemer cylinder and piston went home with Craig from Coolspring last June, I started checking his shopwork pages about once a month. He had told me about the work he had in the shop that was ahead of mine and told me that it would be this spring before it would have moved to the front of the queue. The cylinder actually made it onto the Lucas boring mill back on Page 34, but there was additional work on the Miller piston that needed to be done. Once I saw that work on the cylinder had begun in ernest, I started to get really excited. I asked Dolly to add a link to Craig's shopwork page from the the Bessemer page. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/bessie.htm That fantastic workmanship and clever solutions to problems is exactly why the cylinder & piston are with Craig. IMHO, he's about the best there is. He's done a number of videos of his big engine restorations. I think have all of 'em. Whenever I run into a "hard spot" with one of my engine projects, I'll pop one of those videos in for "inspiration." The Swan restoration is one of my favorites because I was at Coolspring when he loaded her on the trailer. Man, she looked sorry. The work he had to do was nothing short of amazing. There was a really nice two-part article in GEM on that one, but for real fun, you should watch the video. I know that I'm checking the shopwork pages daily now cos there's a lot of work yet to go. Minimum is the welding that you saw and a cylinder bore and new rings. Maybe more work, it depends on how it goes. In putting the link up Dolly referred to it as being in "Dr. Craig's hospital for sick engines...". Pretty apt I'd say. He certainly has the skill of a surgeon with the old iron. And looking on, you do feel a real connection to the "patient." And I'm really looking forward to putting her back together, putting fire to the hot tube, and giving her that first tromp onto compression. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, John Hammink wrote: > Hi Arnie, have you seen the fantastic workmansship > that Craig Prucha did on your cylinder? > > http://www.antique-engine.com/shopwork/shopwork36.htm > > I love his workshop pictures very much and the way he find > solutions for all that different machine work. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Mar 24 15:38:04 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:38:04 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt References: <42433D60.4000604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000f01c530ca$8a2fc280$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Supurb pictures and dito engines Curt, you're right in saying "Side Shaft Heaven". Yes I have a HSCS engine, one of our club members has a tractor too. That rotery mag at the strange colored Monitor has to be a Dixie, I have one on the shelf. Thanks for sharing all those candies. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > G'day SEL, > I have put up a few of the pictures taken at the National in > Narracoorte, SA. Mine were taken in low res. to make it easier on web > page writing. Hope the resolution is decent enough. Sorry about the long > index page of thumbnail, but there was a LOT to see. There are 216 > thumbnails of tractors, trucks, and engines to look at. > Hope you enjoy this side shaft heaven. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Thumbnails.html > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Mar 24 15:55:06 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:55:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter References: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL><42422464.609@earthlink.net><009f01c5301c$4811a2a0$230110ac@PAUL><001601c530bd$8bd8ca80$0297e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <00f601c530c3$12cdcb80$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <00b401c530cc$e992c9a0$0301a8c0@Reg> Paul, clamp a guide tube in the keyway and drill right through. then open the hole to about .02 under the key size. Rock the wheel a few times and the remains of the key will fall out. You will need to make a new key anyway! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > Craig I think my options are just about down to your method. The large end > of the gib key with the tab on it has cracked from all of the prying I have > done on it so it is going to break off if I pry on it anymore so I think I > better either try drilling and taping some threads, screw in a bolt and then > weld it in for good measure and then use a slide hammer to knock it out. > Thanks for the input I appreciate it very much. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "craig morrison" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > > > > Hi Paul , > > You could try the method that we use .Carefully weld on a piece of > > rod to the head of the key , the rod should have another piece welded on > > the end to look like a large gib key. Allow this to cool and a few swift > > bangs with a largish hammer and either the key will fly out or the weld > > will break, in this case just try again (this method has not let me down > > in the past). > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 24 16:08:11 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:08:11 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: <002401c53079$5dc38d40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <20050323.210647.428.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <002401c53079$5dc38d40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <4243566B.7040908@optusnet.com.au> kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: >>Hi Luke. >>This was taken from a past posting: >> >>"About .003-.005" per inch of bore is typically recommended." >> >> >but 4 rhymes with bore > > ******* Air cooled or water cooled? Aluminium or CI pistons? Air cooled cylinders require a bit more clearance (OK - I know that old one - they are ALL air cooled, ultimately) Jack in Oz ******** From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 24 16:17:35 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:17:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter References: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL><42422464.609@earthlink.net><009f01c5301c$4811a2a0$230110ac@PAUL><001601c530bd$8bd8ca80$0297e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O><00f601c530c3$12cdcb80$230110ac@PAUL> <00b401c530cc$e992c9a0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <013301c530d0$0dcd8230$230110ac@PAUL> Hello Reg, I have been out in the shop trying to weld a bolt onto the keyway and then use a slide hammer to knock it out, we would weld, knock and the weld would break, weld again, knock and the weld would break, all I did was succeed in breaking the gib key off at the end where the tab is. I guess I will try and drill it out and hope I don't run off center and get into the flywheel. Thanks. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > Paul, clamp a guide tube in the keyway and drill right through. then open > the hole to about .02 under the key size. Rock the wheel a few times and > the > remains of the key will fall out. You will need to make a new key anyway! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 24 16:29:09 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:29:09 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt References: <42433D60.4000604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001c01c530d1$aa5962d0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:21 PM Subject: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt > G'day SEL, > I have put up a few of the pictures taken at the National in > Narracoorte, SA. Mine were taken in low res. to make it easier on web > page writing. Hope the resolution is decent enough. Sorry about the long > index page of thumbnail, but there was a LOT to see. There are 216 > thumbnails of tractors, trucks, and engines to look at. > Hope you enjoy this side shaft heaven. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Thumbnails.html > Curt Holland Hi Curt, You are as bad as the Aussies for showing English engines as normal when they are as rare as Dobby Horse Sh*t over here. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Mar 24 16:50:57 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:50:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter In-Reply-To: <013301c530d0$0dcd8230$230110ac@PAUL> References: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL><42422464.609@earthlink.net><009f01c5301c$4811a2a0$230110ac@PAUL><001601c530bd$8bd8ca80$0297e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O><00f601c530c3$12cdcb80$230110ac@PAUL> <00b401c530cc$e992c9a0$0301a8c0@Reg> <013301c530d0$0dcd8230$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <42436071.9010603@earthlink.net> Paul, Just looked at your pictures again. I think drill and tap is you best option here. You are close enough to the end of the crank to do this. My situation would not allow it. Hard to tell from the picture, but probably 1/4 SAE would work. 5/16 would be better if you can get away with it. Center punch carefully and drill in a 1/4 inch or so, then tap it. Grade 8 bolt and give it a shot. Have one other idea if that don't work. Jeff Allen Paul Maples wrote: > Hello Reg, I have been out in the shop trying to weld a bolt onto the > keyway and then use a slide hammer to knock it out, we would weld, > knock and the weld would break, weld again, knock and the weld would > break, all I did was succeed in breaking the gib key off at the end > where the tab is. I guess I will try and drill it out and hope I don't > run off center and get into the flywheel. Thanks. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg Ingold" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > > >> Paul, clamp a guide tube in the keyway and drill right through. then >> open >> the hole to about .02 under the key size. Rock the wheel a few times >> and the >> remains of the key will fall out. You will need to make a new key >> anyway! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Mar 24 17:09:27 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:09:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt In-Reply-To: <42433D60.4000604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200503250109.j2P19U3W059073@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Curt, Great pics. It was good to catch up with you and Missy while you were here. We are thinking of holding a rally just for pushrod engines as they seem to be a lot rarer than sideshaft engines ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- G'day SEL, I have put up a few of the pictures taken at the National in Narracoorte, SA. Mine were taken in low res. to make it easier on web page writing. Hope the resolution is decent enough. Sorry about the long index page of thumbnail, but there was a LOT to see. There are 216 thumbnails of tractors, trucks, and engines to look at. Hope you enjoy this side shaft heaven. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Thumbnails.htm l Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Mar 24 17:09:43 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:09:43 EST Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter Message-ID: In a message dated 3/24/2005 7:33:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: << I guess I will try and drill it out and hope I don't run off center and get into the flywheel. >> Paul, Good sharp bit and as suggested use a piece of pipe clamped in the key groove for a guide. You can try first drilling, tapping then welding to a bolt. If that does not work, you can then drill to bigger size and break out as suggested. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Mar 24 17:11:19 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:11:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ebay scam alert - pass this onto tractor people - particularly in Oz where this guy seems to prey most... Message-ID: <42436537.7040509@steamengine.com.au> I found a John Deere compact utility tractor in new condition on ebay. The unit was at $150 with zero bids. There were three from the same seller boys131085 all in Onslow Western Australia (does this town exist?). After I asked my question I got an email from ebay kinda advising me to avoid the seller (if you read between the lines) and they cancelled all the seller's items from ebay - they are gone without trace. This morning I found another tractor probably from the same person (same location, same setup, different ebay seller swanvalley51) http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11752&item=7503449687&rd=1 This one is a Kubota working on the same scam setup... I'm going to ask this seller a question too and see what happens. Here is the message I got from ebay (I've checked the full headers and it really is from ebay - directly with no intervening parties and the IP addresses are in the range assigned to ebay) > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: NOTICE: eBay Ask Seller a Question or Contact eBay Member Alert > Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:12:25 PST > From: moreinfo at ebay.com > To: paulp at steamengine.com.au > > Dear paulp4fsq (paulp at steamengine.com.au): > > Our records indicate that you recently sent an email to or received an email from boys131085 through the eBay email system (for example, you may have sent an email to this member through Ask Seller a Question or received an email from this member through Contact eBay Member). > > Sometimes eBay accounts are used to send email solicitations for transactions outside of eBay, or to send unrelated questions in hopes that you will respond so that the other party can obtain your email address. We wanted you to be aware of the potential fraud risk these solicitations pose and encourage you to be cautious about the email you received from this member. > > Please keep in mind, sales that take place outside of eBay are not eligible for any eBay or PayPal protective services and you run the risk of losing your money or your item if you complete these transactions. We would encourage you to review the eBay pages related to Fraud Protection at the address provided below for information on steps you can take to ensure that your transactions are successful: > > http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/isgw-buyer-protection-steps.html > > If you have already sent the item or sent payment for the item, please reply to this email and we will send you additional information about how to protect yourself. > > Regards, > > Trust & Safety Department Here is the message I got back the seller to my query about the JD > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: Question for - John Deere 4100 Compact Utility Tractor > Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:36:48 +0000 > From: Balica Stefan > To: paulp at steamengine.com.au > > > hello, > > I`m glad that you?re interested in my John Deere 4100 Compact Utility > Tractor. Let me tell you all about this deal. > Details about the unit: > The unit is accurate.It has no scratches, no damages, no hidden defects.Kept > it in a warm garage.It comes with all the documents needed for registration, > it has a clear title and it can be anytime registered into your name any > time without a problem so, I want you to stay cool about this. > Price: > The buy it now price is AUD 4,500.The buy now price include the shipping and > insurance fees. I realize that the price is low,but this is the price for a > fast deal. > Location: > The unit is in Australia, > Address:C/-Sun Chalets, > City: Onslow, > State: Western Australia, > Zip:6710 > but for the moment I am in Sweden and I will come back as soon as > everything will be arranged. > Shipping: > I made a couple of phone calls and the best and fastest way I can ship with > is using TNT and it takes 5-6 days to arrive at your door. > I will pay all the shipping fees, and the insurance in a case of any damage > during the shipping. > The most important thing in all my activity here is that I am affiliated at > Ebay , I have a a purchase protection account for $5,340.00 and I assume > you know what this means.How you are protected by Ebay,in case we have a > deal: > 1) If you will not receive the Unit as i described to you,although this is > not the case,Ebay will refund you with 100% from the whole amount.Even in > case you will not receive the unit ,they will refund you the money. > 2) You will make the transfer on my name but eBay will keep the payment > details until you will receive the product.After you'll receive and see that > the item is the one you want,you just notify Ebay to forward me the payment > details so I will be able to pick up my money. > I will wait for your email to let me know if you are interested in knowing > more details about the purchase.Let me know if it's OK with you,so that we > can move forward with this deal and I will contact eBay in order to start > the transaction.After that they will email you all the details. > Email me asap. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 23/03/2005 From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 24 17:21:20 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:21:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Fire at Buckley Show Grounds In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050325012120.72566.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ya, I am a member, but I don't know any more than what is in those two news reports. They can't even agree on some of the details. 8>)) I don't believe for an instant that Jim Luper said there were 300 picnic tables in there. Probably about one hundred though. I will ttry to drive down there Saturday afternoon. It sure is puzzling to me what could have started the fire. Won't a lot of us members feel sick if it turns out to be something in one of those trailers that started it. I have been to some meetings in that building where it was tough to find a seat. Buckley has a LOT of members that come out to the key meetings. Alan Bowen --- Luke Tonneberger wrote: > I don't know the answer to that Dave. I do know that Alan Bowen lives up > that way and is a new member of the club. I also know that Jim Dunmyer is a > member. They might have further info........ > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ================ > > >From: Dave Rotigel > > > >Hi Luke, > > Is/are there any talk/plans to take up a collection of some sort > >to replace the building? > > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Thu Mar 24 17:34:16 2005 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:04:16 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. References: <200503211028.j2LASx4l007466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <019d01c52e05$1481eb20$0301a8c0@Reg><008801c52ea1$c0dc1bb0$70218b90@userd6162315ba> <4240175E.50005@imc-group.com><007c01c52f79$e0439180$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <42418F9D.5040206@imc-group.com><00c901c52ffa$b409d580$88a2fea9@adsl> <4242DA0A.8020603@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <006701c530da$e85add80$a805fea9@adsl> Curt The fence posts were all 2nd hand from the vineyards. I'm not sure what happens to them now. The wire was donated by the company who made it. It will be sold by a local company as second hand, and they will keep a handling fee and pay the original company the surplus. Good deal to me. Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. > Steven, > Who paid for the fence and posts? > Curt > > Steven N Kitto wrote: > > >Curt > >The only cost to the club for the erection of the compounds was the labour > >in putting them up and taking them down. And that was volunteered. > > > >A member of the public said to me on the Saturday that he was pleased with > >the fences around the compounds because it was safe to let his children > >wander to see the engines etc, without the fear of them getting tangled in > >the machines. Worth passing on. > > > >Steve and Denise Kitto > >4 Fifth Ave > >Naracoorte > >South Australia > >Ph 08 87621147 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Thu Mar 24 17:52:14 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:52:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tod ENgine's new Allis Chalmers Front End loader! Message-ID: <005d01c530dd$44ba68a0$a65bef18@pengy> Friday morning our Allis Chalmers front end loader is being delivered to the Tod Engine heritage park! This is our first piece of big equipment, and I can't wait to put it to work. Its fitting that its and AC since that company was once one of Tod's competitors building large stationary steam engines. I will have photos up of the delivery of the loader on the webshots site Friday night. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Mar 24 18:39:08 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:39:08 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Aussie Engine Ads Message-ID: <200503250239.j2P2d8ND080299@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I recently bought a few Australian engines ads. They are quite interesting showing the Aussie agents for some well known overseas engines. The first one is an Anthony Horden's ad for Challenge engines: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/challenge1918.jpg The next is a Cooper ad showing a YB Stover: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/cooper1918.jpg and this one is rare, an Australian Massey-Harris ad: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/mh1927.jpg this one is a Buzacott ad showing a Buzacott engine but it is actually a Fuller & Johnson engine with the logo on the hopper changed to a Buzacott one (quite roughly). http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/buza1929.jpg All of the Sydney addresses given on the ads are within 5km or so of my place! When I get some time I will go and check out the addresses and see what is there now. I know that Anthony Horden was knocked down in the late 80's and the site is now apartments, a hotel, and an office building (it is a big site). Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 24 19:18:11 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:18:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter References: <007401c53012$f3910800$230110ac@PAUL><42422464.609@earthlink.net><009f01c5301c$4811a2a0$230110ac@PAUL><001601c530bd$8bd8ca80$0297e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O><00f601c530c3$12cdcb80$230110ac@PAUL> <00b401c530cc$e992c9a0$0301a8c0@Reg><013301c530d0$0dcd8230$230110ac@PAUL> <42436071.9010603@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <03be01c530e9$48ad0920$230110ac@PAUL> Jeff, I better send you a new set of pictures tomorrow showing you what it looks like now which is not good. The large end of the gib key broke off and I have tried three times to weld a bolt to what is left but the weld always breaks before the key comes out. I have turned the engine on it's side with the flywheel with the stuck gib key up in the air. I then doused it real good with some more Kroil penetrating oil. Since I no longer have a tab on the end of the broken gib I was thinking about getting a square nut and position it on top of the broken gib key, position it so that one flat side is parallel to the face of the flywheel and then weld this nut to the top of the broken key. In other words I am making a new tab in order to try and use the gib key puller to get it out. If this fails then I am going to start trying to drill it out and collapse it like Reg said by rocking the flywheel against it. I will take some new pictures tomorrow and send them out so you, and everyone else, can see my present situation which is worse but I am not giving up. Thanks for all of the help. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Help with 1-1/2 HP Petter > Paul, > > Just looked at your pictures again. I think drill and tap is you best > option here. You are close enough to the end of the crank to do this. My > situation would not allow it. Hard to tell from the picture, but probably > 1/4 SAE would work. 5/16 would be better if you can get away with it. > Center punch carefully and drill in a 1/4 inch or so, then tap it. Grade 8 > bolt and give it a shot. Have one other idea if that don't work. > > Jeff Allen From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Mar 24 19:38:06 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:38:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] john deere chop In-Reply-To: <001901c5309d$64d979e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <001901c5309d$64d979e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: Sweet! John On Mar 24, 2005, at 1:14 PM, wrote: > everybodies building butt buggies > http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1111417996.JPG > tendency to push in the turns > http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1111417910.JPG John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From solarrog at pacbell.net Thu Mar 24 20:31:36 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:31:36 -0800 Subject: [SEL] ebay scam alert - pass this onto tractor people - particularly in Oz where this guy seems to prey most... References: <42436537.7040509@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <007c01c530f3$89043e30$54c97043@D6R3D961> Thr sentence structure sounds just like all the scams I have seen, I have never heard of ebay warrantying any type of sale (red flag) repeats himself regarding your possible fears (red flag) Wouldnt it cost a few thousand dollars to ship a tractor? Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: ; Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 5:11 PM Subject: [SEL] ebay scam alert - pass this onto tractor people - particularly in Oz where this guy seems to prey most... >I found a John Deere compact utility tractor in new condition on ebay. The >unit was at $150 with zero bids. There were three from the same seller >boys131085 all in Onslow Western Australia (does this town exist?). After I >asked my question I got an email from ebay kinda advising me to avoid the >seller (if you read between the lines) and they cancelled all the seller's >items from ebay - they are gone without trace. > > This morning I found another tractor probably from the same person (same > location, same setup, different ebay seller swanvalley51) > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11752&item=7503449687&rd=1 > This one is a Kubota working on the same scam setup... I'm going to ask > this seller a question too and see what happens. > > Here is the message I got from ebay (I've checked the full headers and it > really is from ebay - directly with no intervening parties and the IP > addresses are in the range assigned to ebay) >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: NOTICE: eBay Ask Seller a Question or Contact eBay Member Alert >> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:12:25 PST >> From: moreinfo at ebay.com >> To: paulp at steamengine.com.au >> >> Dear paulp4fsq (paulp at steamengine.com.au): Our records indicate that you >> recently sent an email to or received an email from boys131085 through >> the eBay email system (for example, you may have sent an email to this >> member through Ask Seller a Question or received an email from this >> member through Contact eBay Member). Sometimes eBay accounts are used to >> send email solicitations for transactions outside of eBay, or to send >> unrelated questions in hopes that you will respond so that the other >> party can obtain your email address. We wanted you to be aware of the >> potential fraud risk these solicitations pose and encourage you to be >> cautious about the email you received from this member. Please keep in >> mind, sales that take place outside of eBay are not eligible for any eBay >> or PayPal protective services and you run the risk of losing your money >> or your item if you complete these transactions. We would encourage you >> to review the eBay pages related to Fraud Protection at the address >> provided below for information on steps you can take to ensure that your >> transactions are successful: >> >> http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/isgw-buyer-protection-steps.html >> >> If you have already sent the item or sent payment for the item, please >> reply to this email and we will send you additional information about how >> to protect yourself. Regards, >> >> Trust & Safety Department > > > > Here is the message I got back the seller to my query about the JD >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: RE: Question for - John Deere 4100 Compact Utility Tractor >> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:36:48 +0000 >> From: Balica Stefan >> To: paulp at steamengine.com.au >> >> >> hello, >> >> I`m glad that you?re interested in my John Deere 4100 Compact Utility >> Tractor. Let me tell you all about this deal. >> Details about the unit: >> The unit is accurate.It has no scratches, no damages, no hidden >> defects.Kept it in a warm garage.It comes with all the documents needed >> for registration, it has a clear title and it can be anytime registered >> into your name any time without a problem so, I want you to stay cool >> about this. >> Price: >> The buy it now price is AUD 4,500.The buy now price include the shipping >> and insurance fees. I realize that the price is low,but this is the price >> for a fast deal. >> Location: >> The unit is in Australia, >> Address:C/-Sun Chalets, >> City: Onslow, >> State: Western Australia, >> Zip:6710 >> but for the moment I am in Sweden and I will come back as soon as >> everything will be arranged. >> Shipping: >> I made a couple of phone calls and the best and fastest way I can ship >> with is using TNT and it takes 5-6 days to arrive at your door. >> I will pay all the shipping fees, and the insurance in a case of any >> damage during the shipping. >> The most important thing in all my activity here is that I am affiliated >> at Ebay , I have a a purchase protection account for $5,340.00 and I >> assume you know what this means.How you are protected by Ebay,in case we >> have a deal: >> 1) If you will not receive the Unit as i described to you,although this >> is not the case,Ebay will refund you with 100% from the whole amount.Even >> in case you will not receive the unit ,they will refund you the money. >> 2) You will make the transfer on my name but eBay will keep the payment >> details until you will receive the product.After you'll receive and see >> that the item is the one you want,you just notify Ebay to forward me the >> payment details so I will be able to pick up my money. >> I will wait for your email to let me know if you are interested in >> knowing more details about the purchase.Let me know if it's OK with >> you,so that we can move forward with this deal and I will contact eBay in >> order to start the transaction.After that they will email you all the >> details. >> Email me asap. >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >> http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ >> > > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 23/03/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Mar 24 21:11:47 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:11:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <4242D5EC.4050701@imc-group.com> References: <1c7.24ffe105.2f74144e@aol.com> <4242D5EC.4050701@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42439D93.2000007@fidnet.com> Peter, There are a couple of points that Curt didn't mention. First, if you wish to operate without insurance and you get lucky and in the event someone is injured, sues you with no damages awarded, you may still be liable for legal fees. If you win in a case involving machinery in motion, I wouldn't be surprised if you might have a large legal bill to pay, because I think you probably would have had a really good attorney arguing your case. The second point is that while there may be no federal or state laws requiring insurance coverage, a local government or a private or corporate entity may require proof of insurance in any anount they choose($1,000,000 $10,000,000 or $xxx,000,000)as well as be named as an additional insured on your liability policy for the event held on their property. It is a small distinction, no, they don't require insurance for such events as engine/tractor shows, unless you want to host the event on their property, ie. the local fairgrounds etc. The basic principle of insurance remains: Spreading the risk among many and charging each a small amount and acruing for the big claim. Gary Curt wrote: > Peter, > In the States there are no federal laws saying that a public event has > to be covered by liability insurance. To my knowledge there are no > states with such laws in place either. In fact some states have passed > laws stating that for many public events, the organizers cannot be held > liable for injuries. In particular equestrian events. > > In the States as a club (or an individual) you would be free to put on > an event without liability insurance. You are free to take your chances > that no one will be injured. You are free to take your chances that if > someone is injured they will not sue you. You are free to take your > chances that if you are sued, the jury will not award damages to the > injured, for which you or the club would be responsible. > > In my opinion, for any public event of any significant size one would be > nuts to assume such risk, but none the less you are FREE to make that > decision. > > Once one decides he needs to insure his public event, he contacts > several private insurance companies and requests quotes to provide > liability insurance. The one buying the insurance decides how much > insurance they wish to buy. If they want they can buy as little as > $100,000 of insurance. I'd venture a guess that many buy $1 million > dollar policies. > > For certain the agents selling the insurance know nothing about the > hobby and you will never see an insurance booth set up at a show. They > really don't care. They are simply assuming a risk for public injury for > a specific period of time, independent of the event. It could be a > concert, a car show, an engine show, etc. > The only hiccup was a few years ago after the Medina, OH steam traction > engine explosion. It was nearly impossible to purchase liability > insurance for the first couple of years after that accident if you were > going to have steam at your show. Now that all states are up to snuff > and have annual boiler inspections in place, the insurance companies are > beginning to insure shows that have steam again. > > What I gather has happened in Oz is that the insurance conglomerate has > lobbied your legislature to put into place laws that demand liability > insurance for all public events. Whether or not this was the best thing > for Oz is yet to be determined, but it is undeniable that it is a > collusive effort to extract dollars from each and every person, and to > spread the results of law suits amongst the entire populous. But that is > the essence of socialism isn't it! > Mind you this is not a slight against Oz. My observations of the > wonderful people of Oz is that everyone seems happy and content. > However, to someone with the _freedom_ to make the choice about > insurance, your system seems intrusive, coercive, and imposing. Everyone > in Oz shrugs this off saying it is only $15 a year, so what! It works > for you. It is simply a different system. > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > Peterwoodmore at aol.com wrote: > >>> From one who was at the Friday night meeting right to the end. >> >> The insurance rep stated that the insurer put no restrictions at all >> on rallys and that they would cover our negligence. The NHMA imposed >> the rules or guidlines through a sytem of risk management ( which is >> the buzz word for all things in this modern era). >> However if there should be a claim in the future due to negligence >> then the premiums paid by the clubs and individuals would reflect this >> but would not necessarily preclude us from being insured. >> Could the Yanks please explain there system of public liability >> insurance , I have been told that it is paid individually along with >> house insurance is that so? Everybody seems to be an expert on what >> happens in Oz lets here from the rest of the world >> >> >> Woody >> >> Peter Woodmore >> 27 Craig Ave Moorebank >> 2170 >> NSW >> Australia >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Mar 24 21:30:07 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:30:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ebay scam alert - pass this onto tractor people - particularly in Oz where this guy seems to prey most... In-Reply-To: <007c01c530f3$89043e30$54c97043@D6R3D961> References: <42436537.7040509@steamengine.com.au> <007c01c530f3$89043e30$54c97043@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <4243A1DF.6010305@steamengine.com.au> Yes it would, and the shipping company he wants to use has not been called TNT for years - it is TOLL these days. Someone outside Australia or outside the transport industry might not know that. Paul Roger DiRuscio wrote: > Thr sentence structure sounds just like all the scams I have seen, I > have never heard of ebay warrantying any type of sale (red flag) repeats > himself regarding your possible fears (red flag) > Wouldnt it cost a few thousand dollars to ship a tractor? > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts >>> I made a couple of phone calls and the best and fastest way I can >>> ship with is using TNT and it takes 5-6 days to arrive at your door. -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 23/03/2005 From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 24 21:37:22 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:37:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt In-Reply-To: <42433D60.4000604@imc-group.com> References: <42433D60.4000604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <1111729042.4243a3928fe8e@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Curt, Man that 6hp Goldfields sure has Waterloo / Robertsonville features. The fuel system is dead nuts identical! http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Australia2005%20283.jpg Great pics. Thanks for the PROMPT posting! 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Curt : > Hope you enjoy this side shaft heaven. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Thumbnails.html From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Thu Mar 24 22:58:07 2005 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:58:07 EST Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. Message-ID: <158.4d631435.2f75107f@aol.com> Gary that is virtually the same system that applies here in Oz. Our $15 / year insurance covers us 24 hours a day at any show or turnout that we attend wether or not we are negligent, a pretty good deal I would say. Local show orginisers may also take out insurance for that show only as well. Woody Peter Woodmore 27 Craig Ave Moorebank 2170 NSW Australia From nick at holden1.net Thu Mar 24 23:42:11 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 07:42:11 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] ebay scam alert - pass this onto tractor people-particularly in Oz where this guy seems to prey most... References: <4243A1DF.6010305@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <4243C0D3.000001.03820@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Its still TNT in the UK so maybe he is not in Oz at all Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4284455&a=31644863&f= -------Original Message------- From: Paul Pavlinovich Date: 03/25/05 05:57:08 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] ebay scam alert - pass this onto tractor people-particularly in Oz where this guy seems to prey most... Yes it would, and the shipping company he wants to use has not been called TNT for years - it is TOLL these days. Someone outside Australia or outside the transport industry might not know that. Paul Roger DiRuscio wrote: > Thr sentence structure sounds just like all the scams I have seen, I > have never heard of ebay warrantying any type of sale (red flag) repeats > himself regarding your possible fears (red flag) > Wouldnt it cost a few thousand dollars to ship a tractor? > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts >>> I made a couple of phone calls and the best and fastest way I can >>> ship with is using TNT and it takes 5-6 days to arrive at your door. -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 23/03/2005 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Mar 24 23:44:09 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 18:44:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. In-Reply-To: <158.4d631435.2f75107f@aol.com> References: <158.4d631435.2f75107f@aol.com> Message-ID: <4243C149.70407@steamengine.com.au> $15? Don't you mean $12? Read the fine print - it does NOT cover you if you are negligent. Disbelieve? Ask your club secretary for the club copy of the insurance. It also only applies at events that a NHMA affiliated club organises or is explicitly invited to. Paul Peterwoodmore at aol.com wrote: > Gary > that is virtually the same system that applies here in Oz. Our $15 / year > insurance covers us 24 hours a day at any show or turnout that we attend wether > or not we are negligent, a pretty good deal I would say. Local show orginisers > may also take out insurance for that show only as well. > > Woody -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 23/03/2005 From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Mar 25 01:55:57 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:55:57 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Aussie Engine Ads References: <200503250239.j2P2d8ND080299@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <003701c53120$d92014c0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 2:39 AM Subject: [SEL] Aussie Engine Ads Snip > and this one is rare, an Australian Massey-Harris ad: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/mh1927.jpg Snip > Patrick M Livingstone Hi Patrick, I bet putting the "British Made" claim on that Advert upset some Canadians! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Mar 25 02:07:43 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 21:07:43 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Aussie Engine Ads In-Reply-To: <003701c53120$d92014c0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <200503251007.j2PA7hWF088436@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> It was a good way to get around import duties. In those days there was no duty on items made in the British Empire (or even the Commonwealth Nations). Ford shipped the Model Ts and As from Canada rather than from Detroit to skip the import duties :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Patrick, I bet putting the "British Made" claim on that Advert upset some Canadians! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From guitronics at comcast.net Fri Mar 25 02:42:24 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 05:42:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] john deere chop In-Reply-To: References: <001901c5309d$64d979e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <4243EB10.1070608@comcast.net> Pix are too dark for me to see all. John Culp wrote: > Sweet! > > John > > On Mar 24, 2005, at 1:14 PM, wrote: > >> everybodies building butt buggies >> http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1111417996.JPG >> tendency to push in the turns >> http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1111417910.JPG > > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Mar 25 04:47:41 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 07:47:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] john deere chop In-Reply-To: <4243EB10.1070608@comcast.net> References: <001901c5309d$64d979e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <4243EB10.1070608@comcast.net> Message-ID: <041946bae4efcdd819cb93a610c441d3@chartertn.net> Sounds like you're using a Windows PC with the monitor's gamma level adjusted to a different value than Chuck's picture is optimized for. I think the default one for Macs is 2.2, and his picture shows up fine on mine. I think the standard on older Windows systems was 1.8. I used to get lots of complaints about too-dark pictures when I'd post something but haven't heard much of that in a while, so I think they may have changed it. You can choose different gamma levels in your Monitors Control Panel. John On Mar 25, 2005, at 5:42 AM, guitronics wrote: > Pix are too dark for me to see all. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Mar 25 05:03:53 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:03:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: <4243566B.7040908@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Jack, It is air cooled with an aluminum piston. It is for a model I'm attempting to make. I have the bore close to finish size. The piston fits, but the rings don't fit yet. I put in a piston ring and can't quite get the ends to meet. The bore is too small yet so the ends of the ring overlap a bit. I need to hone it out about .015 inches I'm guessing. I'm using the end gap on the rings to determine what my finished bore size will need to be and how much I'll need to hone it. I've read a little on how to hone, but not sure what to use for cutting fluid. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================ >From: Jack Watson > >kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: > >>>Hi Luke. >>>This was taken from a past posting: >>> >>>"About .003-.005" per inch of bore is typically recommended." >>> >>> >>but 4 rhymes with bore >> >******* >Air cooled or water cooled? Aluminium or CI pistons? >Air cooled cylinders require a bit more clearance > >(OK - I know that old one - they are ALL air cooled, ultimately) > >Jack in Oz >******** From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Mar 25 06:41:46 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:41:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: References: <4243566B.7040908@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <2079.165.206.180.118.1111761706.squirrel@antique-engines.com> In college we used transmission fluid................. It's very high detergent. Bill > Hi Jack, > > It is air cooled with an aluminum piston. It is for a model I'm attempting > to make. I have the bore close to finish size. The piston fits, but the > rings don't fit yet. I put in a piston ring and can't quite get the ends > to > meet. The bore is too small yet so the ends of the ring overlap a bit. I > need to hone it out about .015 inches I'm guessing. I'm using the end gap > on > the rings to determine what my finished bore size will need to be and how > much I'll need to hone it. I've read a little on how to hone, but not sure > what to use for cutting fluid. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ================ > >>From: Jack Watson >> >>kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: >> >>>>Hi Luke. >>>>This was taken from a past posting: >>>> >>>>"About .003-.005" per inch of bore is typically recommended." >>>> >>>> >>>but 4 rhymes with bore >>> >>******* >>Air cooled or water cooled? Aluminium or CI pistons? >>Air cooled cylinders require a bit more clearance >> >>(OK - I know that old one - they are ALL air cooled, ultimately) >> >>Jack in Oz >>******** > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 25 06:59:30 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:59:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050325145930.60966.qmail@web14126.mail.yahoo.com> For honing, go down to the grocery and buy a can of Crisco cooking lard. Put a generous supply on the stones and the bore and keep adding as needed. Works great. I've honed 36" dia. cylinders with it.As an arternative, if you take a flat file you can cut the ends of the ring quite easly. Ron Luke Tonneberger wrote: Hi Jack, It is air cooled with an aluminum piston. It is for a model I'm attempting to make. I have the bore close to finish size. The piston fits, but the rings don't fit yet. I put in a piston ring and can't quite get the ends to meet. The bore is too small yet so the ends of the ring overlap a bit. I need to hone it out about .015 inches I'm guessing. I'm using the end gap on the rings to determine what my finished bore size will need to be and how much I'll need to hone it. I've read a little on how to hone, but not sure what to use for cutting fluid. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================ >From: Jack Watson > >kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: > >>>Hi Luke. >>>This was taken from a past posting: >>> >>>"About .003-.005" per inch of bore is typically recommended." >>> >>> >>but 4 rhymes with bore >> >******* >Air cooled or water cooled? Aluminium or CI pistons? >Air cooled cylinders require a bit more clearance > >(OK - I know that old one - they are ALL air cooled, ultimately) > >Jack in Oz >******** _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! From rwenig at telus.net Fri Mar 25 07:32:27 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:32:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42442F0B.3010507@telus.net> Hello Luke, Are you saying the piston already fits the cylinder bore? If so, then simply file the ends of the rings to get proper end gap clearance. Piston to cylinder wall clearance and the ring end gap are determined by the diameter of the bore and the temperature the engine operates at. It's been a long time since I've had to know this so any tables I have are buried deep. Kerosene is recommended in my books to use as a lubricant when cutting aluminum but I prefer to use WD40. Rupert Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Jack, > > It is air cooled with an aluminum piston. It is for a model I'm > attempting to make. I have the bore close to finish size. The piston > fits, but the rings don't fit yet. I put in a piston ring and can't > quite get the ends to meet. The bore is too small yet so the ends of the > ring overlap a bit. I need to hone it out about .015 inches I'm > guessing. I'm using the end gap on the rings to determine what my > finished bore size will need to be and how much I'll need to hone it. > I've read a little on how to hone, but not sure what to use for cutting > fluid. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ================ > >> From: Jack Watson >> >> kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: >> >>>> Hi Luke. >>>> This was taken from a past posting: >>>> >>>> "About .003-.005" per inch of bore is typically recommended." >>>> >>>> >>> but 4 rhymes with bore >>> >> ******* >> Air cooled or water cooled? Aluminium or CI pistons? >> Air cooled cylinders require a bit more clearance >> >> (OK - I know that old one - they are ALL air cooled, ultimately) >> >> Jack in Oz >> ******** > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri Mar 25 08:56:57 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:56:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Dogs on show grounds....Now Insurance in the U.S. In-Reply-To: <200503251100.j2PB06kw013562@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: > 12. Re: Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. (Curt) >Message: 12 >Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:59:56 -0500 >From: Curt >Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again. >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <4242D5EC.4050701 at imc-group.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Peter, >In the States there are no federal laws saying that a public event has >to be covered by liability insurance. To my knowledge there are no >states with such laws in place either. In fact some states have passed >laws stating that for many public events, the organizers cannot be held >liable for injuries. In particular equestrian events. > >In the States as a club (or an individual) you would be free to put on >an event without liability insurance. You are free to take your chances >that no one will be injured. You are free to take your chances that if >someone is injured they will not sue you. You are free to take your >chances that if you are sued, the jury will not award damages to the >injured, for which you or the club would be responsible. > >In my opinion, for any public event of any significant size one would be >nuts to assume such risk, but none the less you are FREE to make that >decision. > >Once one decides he needs to insure his public event, he contacts >several private insurance companies and requests quotes to provide >liability insurance. The one buying the insurance decides how much >insurance they wish to buy. If they want they can buy as little as >$100,000 of insurance. I'd venture a guess that many buy $1 million >dollar policies. > >For certain the agents selling the insurance know nothing about the >hobby and you will never see an insurance booth set up at a show. They >really don't care. They are simply assuming a risk for public injury for >a specific period of time, independent of the event. It could be a >concert, a car show, an engine show, etc. >The only hiccup was a few years ago after the Medina, OH steam traction >engine explosion. It was nearly impossible to purchase liability >insurance for the first couple of years after that accident if you were >going to have steam at your show. Now that all states are up to snuff >and have annual boiler inspections in place, the insurance companies are >beginning to insure shows that have steam again. > >What I gather has happened in Oz is that the insurance conglomerate has >lobbied your legislature to put into place laws that demand liability >insurance for all public events. Whether or not this was the best thing >for Oz is yet to be determined, but it is undeniable that it is a >collusive effort to extract dollars from each and every person, and to >spread the results of law suits amongst the entire populous. But that is >the essence of socialism isn't it! >Mind you this is not a slight against Oz. My observations of the >wonderful people of Oz is that everyone seems happy and content. >However, to someone with the _freedom_ to make the choice about >insurance, your system seems intrusive, coercive, and imposing. Everyone >in Oz shrugs this off saying it is only $15 a year, so what! It works >for you. It is simply a different system. > >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC You make some pretty good points here Curt. I like how you explained the differences between the way that it is done in OZ vs the way its done in the U.S. You are right that most shows go out an get liability insurance for their own protection. We rent the fairgrounds for the SIAM show. Part of the lease agreement is that SIAM must provide an insurance policy naming the fairgrounds as an additional insured. I want to give those of you seeking insurance a little tip. Single event insurance is expensive and difficult to get. It is easier & cheaper to get a policy that covers your club for all club activities for the entire year. I found this out last year when I had to find a new carrier for the SIAM show. Make sure that your agent knows that you are looking for a full year policy and not event insurance. I can't think of a reason a club wouldn't want the full year policy anyway. I also made the agent aware of all of the activities that we have. I told him about the sawmill, car show, tractor rodeo...... I didn't want there to be any "gottchas" if there were an accident. This year we will have a mock race featuring Model A racers as part of the car show. When the idea was presented I first called our insurance agent and cleared it through him. BTW. Curt, I wanted to clarify your point about boiler inspections. Not ALL states require boiler inspections. I know that there is no inspection required in IN and I don't think that KY has it either. Our neighbor to the west, IL, probably has the most throrough, state sponsored, inspection anywhere. I have reservations about government run inspections anyway. When was the last time that gov't did a better job of anything than a private entity would have. I will concede the activities of roadbuilding & law enforcement. The road building efforts near Evansville may prove me right though. Relying on gov't to tell us a boiler is safe breeds complacency. I shouldn't look to someone else to tell me that my machine is safe rather I should KNOW that it is through my own inspection. I feel that it is the responsibility of the of each show to make sure that the machines in attendance are safe. I don't think that you will find a better inspection program than the one used by the Pioneer Engineers at Rushville, IN. From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Mar 25 09:00:54 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:00:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: <42442F0B.3010507@telus.net> Message-ID: Hi Rupert, I have plenty of WD-40 so that is what I'll use for lube. The piston does fit in the bore but barely. I don't want to force it. I have just finished boring out the cylinder, but haven't honed yet. I'll hone as little as possible to remove the boring/tooling marks then file my rings to get the necessary gap (as was suggested off list). Thanks everyone. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =============== >From: Rupert Wenig > >Hello Luke, > Are you saying the piston already fits the cylinder bore? If so, then >simply file the ends of the rings to get proper end gap clearance. Piston >to cylinder wall clearance and the ring end gap are determined by the >diameter of the bore and the temperature the engine operates at. It's been >a long time since I've had to know this so any tables I have are buried >deep. > > Kerosene is recommended in my books to use as a lubricant when cutting >aluminum but I prefer to use WD40. > >Rupert > >Luke Tonneberger wrote: > >>Hi Jack, >> >>It is air cooled with an aluminum piston. It is for a model I'm attempting >>to make. I have the bore close to finish size. The piston fits, but the >>rings don't fit yet. I put in a piston ring and can't quite get the ends >>to meet. The bore is too small yet so the ends of the ring overlap a bit. >>I need to hone it out about .015 inches I'm guessing. I'm using the end >>gap on the rings to determine what my finished bore size will need to be >>and how much I'll need to hone it. I've read a little on how to hone, but >>not sure what to use for cutting fluid. >> >>Luke Tonneberger >>Rockford, Michigan >>USA From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri Mar 25 12:06:42 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:06:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine's Front End Loader Moved! Message-ID: <007301c53176$29924180$a65bef18@pengy> Our 45 year old Allis Chalmers front end loader was moved to the Tod Engine Heritage Park this morning, and after a few minor adjustments it will be ready to be put to work. Whenever I get on it and rev up the engine I'm all smiles from ear to ear! Here are a few pics: http://community.webshots.com/album/246422839lvbZwF Rick From mogul460 at localnet.com Fri Mar 25 14:54:35 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:54:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money Message-ID: <001201c5318d$9e820cc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Wasted Time - Wasted Money.. Several years ago I read an article in the Dallas,TX Morning News regarding automotive repair shops. It stated that due to improper trouble shooting owners were spending thousands of dollars for repairs and parts that were not needed and did not fix the problem Being a Technical Representative for Rockwell International on the Sabreliner Business Jet and chasing them around the world for 30 years I saw this problem repeated many times. Thousands of hours and thousands of dollars spent on parts and labor not needed..Having spent time in the hospital the past few months I also saw this same problem repeated many times. One fellow was scheduled for an operation on his leg arteries due to poor circulation in his legs. It turned out to be blockage in his heart arteries which they installed stints.No guys I am not older than Dave and I am sure we have all experienced the same problem. How lucky us engine guys are to have the SEL and Internet to discuss our problems with before we spend a lot un-necessary time and money on parts not needed.. From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Mar 25 14:11:12 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:11:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine's Front End Loader Moved! In-Reply-To: <007301c53176$29924180$a65bef18@pengy> References: <007301c53176$29924180$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <7c5334e3056cd59f6f36cfbf5ea6384b@chartertn.net> That's great, Rick! John On Mar 25, 2005, at 3:06 PM, Tod Engine wrote: > Our 45 year old Allis Chalmers front end loader was moved to the Tod > Engine Heritage Park this morning, and after a few minor adjustments > it will be ready to be put to work. > > Whenever I get on it and rev up the engine I'm all smiles from ear to > ear! > > Here are a few pics: > http://community.webshots.com/album/246422839lvbZwF > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jbcast at charter.net Fri Mar 25 15:07:58 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 23:07:58 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money Message-ID: <3rr9ri$q266rt@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net> > > Wasted Time - Wasted Money.. Several years ago I read an article in the Dallas,TX Morning News > regarding automotive repair shops. It stated that due to improper trouble shooting owners were > spending thousands of dollars for repairs and parts that were not needed and did not fix the problem<<< When a customer come into my shop with a list of expensive parts he's changed and tells me he's still having the same problem I tell him "sounds like you can't afford to save any more money". J.B. Castagnos From jbcast at charter.net Fri Mar 25 15:10:43 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 23:10:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine's Front End Loader Moved! Message-ID: <3rb42s$no57hf@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> > > On Mar 25, 2005, at 3:06 PM, Tod Engine wrote: > > > Our 45 year old Allis Chalmers front end loader was moved to the Tod > > Engine Heritage Park this morning, and after a few minor adjustments > > it will be ready to be put to work. > > > > Whenever I get on it and rev up the engine I'm all smiles from ear to > > ear! No use getting a boy to do a mans job Rick, looks like you're ready. J.B. Castagnos From toadhill at aeroinc.net Fri Mar 25 15:43:39 2005 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:43:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Curt Holland's Photos Message-ID: <006a01c53194$78f26700$1dcc940c@mcness.com> Nice pictures Curt. Thanks, Joe Maurer Toadhillfarm From rustyiron at bigpond.com Fri Mar 25 04:25:40 2005 From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:25:40 +0800 Subject: [SEL] ebay scam alert - pass this onto tractor people- particularly in Oz where this guy seems to prey most... References: <42436537.7040509@steamengine.com.au><007c01c530f3$89043e30$54c97043@D6R3D961> <4243A1DF.6010305@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <002801c53135$d7d7d0c0$b0c0fea9@ibmbnh186c> Hi Paul, I'm living about 500km south of Onslow by road or 100km by sea, and I've asked about the address, the two blokes I asked don't know of it. Onslow is a black town (you know what I mean Paul) but because of the resent Gas finds in the area house and land prices are going through the roof. I still have a TNT account as well as a TOLL account for freight up here, but it's very exspencive, I tried to ship a Lathe from Sydney last month, but when I got the quote I thought they were selling me a 1/2 share in the truck. There are a few of these items on eBay, have you seen the one's about the JD Ride on Mowers, new for only $150. Andy...... Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ebay scam alert - pass this onto tractor people- particularly in Oz where this guy seems to prey most... > Yes it would, and the shipping company he wants to use has not been > called TNT for years - it is TOLL these days. Someone outside Australia > or outside the transport industry might not know that. > > Paul From rwenig at telus.net Fri Mar 25 16:38:59 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:38:59 -0700 Subject: Engine model: was Re: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4244AF23.6090403@telus.net> Hello Luke, I meant to ask in my last post- What engine are you building? What scale? Rupert Luke Tonneberger wrote: >>> Hi Jack, >>> >>> It is air cooled with an aluminum piston. It is for a model I'm >>> attempting to make. I have the bore close to finish size. The piston >>> fits, but the rings don't fit yet. I put in a piston ring and can't >>> quite get the ends to meet. The bore is too small yet so the ends of >>> the ring overlap a bit. I need to hone it out about .015 inches I'm >>> guessing. I'm using the end gap on the rings to determine what my >>> finished bore size will need to be and how much I'll need to hone it. >>> I've read a little on how to hone, but not sure what to use for >>> cutting fluid. >>> >>> Luke Tonneberger >>> Rockford, Michigan >>> USA > > From guitronics at comcast.net Fri Mar 25 17:24:15 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:24:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4244B9BF.10504@comcast.net> I'd use a "Bottle Washer" type of hone,much simpler and easier to use than the standard "Stone"type. Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Rupert, > > I have plenty of WD-40 so that is what I'll use for lube. The piston > does fit in the bore but barely. I don't want to force it. I have > just finished boring out the cylinder, but haven't honed yet. I'll > hone as little as possible to remove the boring/tooling marks then > file my rings to get the necessary gap (as was suggested off list). > Thanks everyone. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > =============== > >> From: Rupert Wenig >> >> Hello Luke, >> Are you saying the piston already fits the cylinder bore? If so, >> then simply file the ends of the rings to get proper end gap >> clearance. Piston to cylinder wall clearance and the ring end gap are >> determined by the diameter of the bore and the temperature the engine >> operates at. It's been a long time since I've had to know this so any >> tables I have are buried deep. >> >> Kerosene is recommended in my books to use as a lubricant when >> cutting aluminum but I prefer to use WD40. >> >> Rupert >> >> Luke Tonneberger wrote: >> >>> Hi Jack, >>> >>> It is air cooled with an aluminum piston. It is for a model I'm >>> attempting to make. I have the bore close to finish size. The piston >>> fits, but the rings don't fit yet. I put in a piston ring and can't >>> quite get the ends to meet. The bore is too small yet so the ends of >>> the ring overlap a bit. I need to hone it out about .015 inches I'm >>> guessing. I'm using the end gap on the rings to determine what my >>> finished bore size will need to be and how much I'll need to hone >>> it. I've read a little on how to hone, but not sure what to use for >>> cutting fluid. >>> >>> Luke Tonneberger >>> Rockford, Michigan >>> USA >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Mar 25 17:48:10 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:48:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Spindle Oil, Lathes & Hammonds Message-ID: <583dff9f9da2017fb189d469e4ed3d81@chartertn.net> I've been playing around with the old Hammond organ down at the church in the Sunday school classroom again today. The sound of those things is generated by spinning shafts with wheels on them, the wheels having teeth cut in their edge that rotate past magnetic pickups, producing a constant frequency for each number of teeth and RPM. Those frequencies are blended together by a drawbar control system to make the different tones of the organ. The shaft system is maintained at a constant speed by a synchronous motor, but it's not self-starting and is started by a shaded pole induction motor with a Bendix drive that engages a starting gear, much like an automotive starter. The Bendix drive was sticking on this and didn't seem to be loosening up since I lubricated the tone generator 2 months ago, so I took off the back cover, found the Bendix and put a few drops of ATF on the starter gear and the shaft it slides on. (Had the ATF handy.) Works like a champ now! That got me thinking again about the special Hammond tone generator oil. (I'd borrowed some back in January, and gave it back.) Hammond, like just about everybody else that's sold a car, motorcycle, chainsaw, weedeater, sewing machine, etc., claimed that only their oil could be used, and since they went out of business in the early '80s and Hammond-Suzuki which now owns the name doesn't have anything to do with the old ones, original Hammond oil has gotten to be an expensive item on eBay. The folks who work on Hammonds are true believers in the special nature of this oil and recommend nothing else. I just don't believe that Hammond would've actually had some custom formulated oil for that application, though. The tone generator is fundamentally a lathe, with sintered bronze bearings at each end and the middle of the three shafts. The main shaft rotates at 1800 RPM. (The two side shafts run at different speeds, but I'm not sure what they are.) There's no load on the shafts other than their own weight, and the whole tone generator assembly is very light. The oil is delivered to the bearings from a copper trough via capillary action through cotton threads, and the synchronous run motor is lubed through a felt pad. (Hammond techs think that that wick lubrication system is a unique design that demands a very special oil.) The Hammond oil is a very pale yellow color, a bit thinner than ATF but thicker than baby oil, and is very clingy to metal surfaces. I'll bet it's ISO 22 spindle oil, like this: http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMAKA=00254201 I notice somebody on eBay is selling an "8 year supply of Hammond tone generator oil," that is, a 4 oz. bottle, for a $10 starting bid or $15 "buy it now." It comes in a modern plastic bottle of a rather generic sort, and I'll bet that guy's bought a 5 gallon pail or 55 gallon drum of spindle oil and decanted it into those bottles. Sounds like a pretty good moneymaking racket to me! That spindle oil's really pretty reasonably priced and ought to be a useful general purpose lubricant wherever a light oil's needed. I stuck around and played on the Hammond a while, then slipped down to the choir room and tuned up the not-as-old all-electronic Thomas organ that was horribly out of tune. The oscillator tuning coils had frozen solidly in place, tight as Dick's hatband, but my old engine experience kept me from breaking anything. I applied some penetrating oil a month ago, and today all but one of the 12 coils were free, and that one happened to already be in tune! Not engines or stack music, but I've had a pretty good day mechanically! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Mar 25 17:47:29 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:47:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap References: <4244B9BF.10504@comcast.net> Message-ID: <014a01c531a9$989bab60$0301a8c0@Reg> I hate to tell you this but you are using a 'deglazer' It is NOT an accurate hone. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "guitronics" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap > I'd use a "Bottle Washer" type of hone,much simpler and easier to use > than the standard "Stone"type. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Mar 25 22:46:47 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:46:47 +1100 Subject: [SPAM 1.5 (+)] Re: [SEL] ebay scam alert - pass this onto tractor people- particularly in Oz where this guy seems to prey most... In-Reply-To: <002801c53135$d7d7d0c0$b0c0fea9@ibmbnh186c> References: <42436537.7040509@steamengine.com.au><007c01c530f3$89043e30$54c97043@D6R3D961> <4243A1DF.6010305@steamengine.com.au> <002801c53135$d7d7d0c0$b0c0fea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <42450557.4000402@steamengine.com.au> I think those mowers have been removed now. Seems ebay are certainly on to this guy but not quite able to keep up with him. Paul Andy wrote: > Hi Paul, I'm living about 500km south of Onslow by road or 100km by sea, and > I've asked about the address, the two blokes I asked don't know of it. > Onslow is a black town (you know what I mean Paul) but because of the resent > Gas finds in the area house and land prices are going through the roof. I > still have a TNT account as well as a TOLL account for freight up here, but > it's very exspencive, I tried to ship a Lathe from Sydney last month, but > when I got the quote I thought they were selling me a 1/2 share in the > truck. There are a few of these items on eBay, have you seen the one's about > the JD Ride on Mowers, new for only $150. > Andy...... > > Andy Nicholson > Exmouth W.A. > Oz. > rustyiron at bigpond.com > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.3 - Release Date: 25/03/2005 From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Mar 25 22:56:58 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:56:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] RE: Dogs on show grounds....Now Insurance in the U.S. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424507BA.2030707@steamengine.com.au> Andy, I don't know of any laws stating you have to have public liability insurance (I'm happy to stand corrected on this) so I suspect our bodies choose to insure. There is absolutely nothing making a club or an individual insure with the NHMA - our club does have some uninsured financial members - they just cannot go in the compounds, but they don't want to. It is also the same here that the government (at least the Victorian state government) has assumed responsibility legally for some events which simply cannot afford their own insurance and would otherwise dissappear. The organisers of an event are the ones who have to decide for the event as a whole and they may enforce insurance, some even want to inspect a certificate of insurance. Personally I would not be without the insurance and am happy to pay the $12 (not $15 as was stated in your note). It is a very small price to pay for the lifting of that particular burden. We are free to not be insured if we so choose, you will not be able to exhibit at most events but there are exceptions to this too. Some events have their own insurance and do not require exhibitors to be insured. Really a lot of fuss is made over nothing. We have not lost anything. By and large we run our rallies the way we want to - most clubs operate quite safely as the majority of our rules are simply common sense. The National is a little different because you have so many people there (it is still nothing on the scale of the big US shows but it is big for our standards). Other large rallies who do not have NHMA (e.g. Echuca) still operate under the same rules as the NHMA because it makes sense to do so. Even Puffing Billy Railway (which has no affilitation with NHMA) uses the NHMA rules for events (e.g. Olde Time Festival and Emerald Winterfest) because it makes sense to do so. Paul Andy Glines wrote: >> In the States there are no federal laws saying that a public event has >> to be covered by liability insurance. To my knowledge there are no >> states with such laws in place either. In fact some states have passed >> laws stating that for many public events, the organizers cannot be held >> liable for injuries. In particular equestrian events. -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.3 - Release Date: 25/03/2005 From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 26 03:27:42 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:27:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Boort Auction Report Message-ID: Hi All, just returned home from Boort auction . It was an interesting sale with some very desirable engines up for sale, these included jelbart,hornsby,austral,blackstone and the usual more common varieties. Adam and myself left Warrnambool at 4am for the 4hr drive up to Boort. We arrived at 8am to find nothing was even setout for the 10am start but it wasn't long before the engines came rolling in. But it still took them until 10.30am before the sale got under way. here is a list of what the better engines sold for - 14hp Jelbart $13100.00, 6hp coffin type Hornsby $6900.00, 6hp Blackstone $5400.00, 6hp Austral $5500.00 with the others bringing from $100.00 up to $1300.00.Three transports sold for $150.00 up to $260.00. We came home fairly light ,i purchased one of the transports. A good day in engine world. Dave _________________________________________________________________ It's easy to send photos with Hotmail. Click here to find out how: http://www.imagine-msn.com/Hotmail/Post/Communicate/SendPhotos.aspx From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 26 03:42:35 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:42:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt In-Reply-To: <1111729042.4243a3928fe8e@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Hi Arnie, the Goldfield was a copy of the Armstrong.i have an armsrtong but the carb setup is totally different. Dave in oz >From: fero_ah at city-net.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt >Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:37:22 -0500 > >Hi Curt, > >Man that 6hp Goldfields sure has Waterloo / Robertsonville features. The >fuel >system is dead nuts identical! >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Australia2005%20283.jpg > >Great pics. Thanks for the PROMPT posting! 8-)) > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Curt : > > > Hope you enjoy this side shaft heaven. > > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Thumbnails.html > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Update your mobile with a hot polyphonic ringtone: http://fun.mobiledownloads.com.au/191191/index.wl?page=191191polyphonicringtone From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 26 06:04:28 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:04:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money (OT) In-Reply-To: <001201c5318d$9e820cc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <001201c5318d$9e820cc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: So Charlie, tell us... Were any goats sacrificed before they did your tune-up and mag work? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Fri, 25 Mar 2005, Charles R Bryant wrote: > Wasted Time - Wasted Money.. Several years ago I read an article in the Dallas,TX Morning News > regarding automotive repair shops. It stated that due to improper trouble shooting owners were > spending thousands of dollars for repairs and parts that were not needed and did not fix the problem > Being a Technical Representative for Rockwell International on the Sabreliner Business Jet > and chasing them around the world for 30 years I saw this problem repeated many times. > Thousands of hours and thousands of dollars spent on parts and labor not needed..Having > spent time in the hospital the past few months I also saw this same problem repeated many times. > One fellow was scheduled for an operation on his leg arteries due to poor circulation in his legs. > It turned out to be blockage in his heart arteries which they installed stints.No guys I am not older > than Dave and I am sure we have all experienced the same problem. How lucky us engine guys are > to have the SEL and Internet to discuss our problems with before we spend a lot un-necessary > time and money on parts not needed.. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 26 06:11:22 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:11:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money References: <3rr9ri$q266rt@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <002601c5320d$b1454e00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> "sounds like you can't afford to save any more money". I keep some of these on the counter . http://www.creativedice.com/images/OpenBox-orderpg.jpg From mogul460 at localnet.com Sat Mar 26 06:35:23 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:35:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money (OT) References: <001201c5318d$9e820cc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <000701c53211$0b262810$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money (OT) Arnie - You know that damn airplane is still flying and never had an accident. Charlie > So Charlie, tell us... Were any goats sacrificed before they did your > tune-up and mag work? 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/2005 From don.h at wcoil.com Sat Mar 26 06:52:14 2005 From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:52:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Spindle Oil, Lathes & Hammonds References: <583dff9f9da2017fb189d469e4ed3d81@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <007e01c53213$662e3980$04000100@shuttle> Hi bro John Gee tnx fer the info on the hammon My son has 3 of them and thats sounds just like the thing it needs as it doesn"t want to spool up.. I just got my Prius on tuesday lot of fun to drive now I just go to the Shell robbers once a week and use there window washer stuff to clean the windows and tell em Ill be back to get my 10 gallens of fuel in a couple weeks. Don on ohio From toadhill at aeroinc.net Sat Mar 26 07:12:39 2005 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:12:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gas Engines and Steam Tractors Message-ID: <001401c53216$416a9320$18cd940c@mcness.com> While I'm starting the discussion with steam tractors, it does work down to gas engines. Steam boilers don't blow up steam boilers, operators do. Had four steam tractors in the state of Illinois (talk about stupid). The inspections can be tough. On the other hand, the state of Minnesota requires the operator be licensed. We were licensed steam engineers 2nd class in the state of Minnesota and that makes much more sense. ANYWAY, the steam engines became such a pain in the rear that I went back to GAS ENGINES and enjoy life much more than before!! Joe Maurer Toadhill Farm From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Mar 26 07:24:36 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:24:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money (OT)/Now Goat Blood In-Reply-To: <000701c53211$0b262810$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <001201c5318d$9e820cc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> <000701c53211$0b262810$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050326102257.0f051c48@mail.alltel.net> And my 9 HP Galloway is still running! Great thing those bloody hand prints! Dave >Arnie - You know that damn airplane is still flying and never had an accident. > >Charlie > >>So Charlie, tell us... Were any goats sacrificed before they did your >>tune-up and mag work? 8-)) >> >>See ya, Arnie From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 26 07:38:35 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:38:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER Message-ID: Now THAT is one cool toy!!! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- View this Item on eBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6165746045 ----------------------------------------------------------------- GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER ( electric motor or steam) MODEL AS SEEN AND USED BY FRED DIBNAH ON TELEVISION Item number: 6165746045 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Starting bid: GBP?500.00 (Approximately?US $935.48) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Summary Removed from forge in good working order at the end of February 2005. Will only require minor fettling on installation. Flat belt driven. Could be powered either by electric motor or steam. From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Mar 26 07:53:02 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:53:02 EST Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine's Front End Loader Moved! Message-ID: <105.5d91160e.2f76df5e@aol.com> In a message dated 3/25/2005 3:49:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, todengine at zoominternet.net writes: << Our 45 year old Allis Chalmers front end loader was moved to the Tod Engine Heritage Park >> Rick, That is a nice machine to have around! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Mar 26 07:55:04 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:55:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Gas Engines and Steam Tractors In-Reply-To: <001401c53216$416a9320$18cd940c@mcness.com> References: <001401c53216$416a9320$18cd940c@mcness.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050326105036.0f090a70@mail.alltel.net> >ANYWAY, the steam engines became such a pain in the rear that I went back >to GAS ENGINES and enjoy life much more than before!! >Joe Maurer >Toadhill Farm Hi Joe, Am I correct in thinking that you believe that the internal combustion engine will "catch on" (ie be accepted by the public at large) and that steam power will soon be a thing of the past? Dave From guitronics at comcast.net Sat Mar 26 08:03:14 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:03:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: <014a01c531a9$989bab60$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <4244B9BF.10504@comcast.net> <014a01c531a9$989bab60$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <424587C2.3000803@comcast.net> OK.I can respect your opinion.Then again, the only accurate hone would be 3 stones spring-or-gravity 'loaded' on a precision lathe. Reg Ingold wrote: >I hate to tell you this but you are using a 'deglazer' >It is NOT an accurate hone. >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "guitronics" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:24 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap > > > > >>I'd use a "Bottle Washer" type of hone,much simpler and easier to use >>than the standard "Stone"type. >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From guitronics at comcast.net Sat Mar 26 08:07:43 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:07:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Spindle Oil, Lathes & Hammonds In-Reply-To: <583dff9f9da2017fb189d469e4ed3d81@chartertn.net> References: <583dff9f9da2017fb189d469e4ed3d81@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <424588CF.4040308@comcast.net> Man, if that Hammond is a "B3" it's worth a fortune.I'd contact AMSOIL and ask 'em what kind of oil to use....they'll know. John Culp wrote: > I've been playing around with the old Hammond organ down at the church > in the Sunday school classroom again today. The sound of those things > is generated by spinning shafts with wheels on them, the wheels having > teeth cut in their edge that rotate past magnetic pickups, producing a > constant frequency for each number of teeth and RPM. Those frequencies > are blended together by a drawbar control system to make the different > tones of the organ. The shaft system is maintained at a constant speed > by a synchronous motor, but it's not self-starting and is started by a > shaded pole induction motor with a Bendix drive that engages a > starting gear, much like an automotive starter. The Bendix drive was > sticking on this and didn't seem to be loosening up since I lubricated > the tone generator 2 months ago, so I took off the back cover, found > the Bendix and put a few drops of ATF on the starter gear and the > shaft it slides on. (Had the ATF handy.) Works like a champ now! > > That got me thinking again about the special Hammond tone generator > oil. (I'd borrowed some back in January, and gave it back.) Hammond, > like just about everybody else that's sold a car, motorcycle, > chainsaw, weedeater, sewing machine, etc., claimed that only their oil > could be used, and since they went out of business in the early '80s > and Hammond-Suzuki which now owns the name doesn't have anything to do > with the old ones, original Hammond oil has gotten to be an expensive > item on eBay. The folks who work on Hammonds are true believers in the > special nature of this oil and recommend nothing else. I just don't > believe that Hammond would've actually had some custom formulated oil > for that application, though. The tone generator is fundamentally a > lathe, with sintered bronze bearings at each end and the middle of the > three shafts. The main shaft rotates at 1800 RPM. (The two side shafts > run at different speeds, but I'm not sure what they are.) There's no > load on the shafts other than their own weight, and the whole tone > generator assembly is very light. The oil is delivered to the bearings > from a copper trough via capillary action through cotton threads, and > the synchronous run motor is lubed through a felt pad. (Hammond techs > think that that wick lubrication system is a unique design that > demands a very special oil.) The Hammond oil is a very pale yellow > color, a bit thinner than ATF but thicker than baby oil, and is very > clingy to metal surfaces. I'll bet it's ISO 22 spindle oil, like this: > http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMAKA=00254201 > > I notice somebody on eBay is selling an "8 year supply of Hammond tone > generator oil," that is, a 4 oz. bottle, for a $10 starting bid or $15 > "buy it now." It comes in a modern plastic bottle of a rather generic > sort, and I'll bet that guy's bought a 5 gallon pail or 55 gallon drum > of spindle oil and decanted it into those bottles. Sounds like a > pretty good moneymaking racket to me! > > That spindle oil's really pretty reasonably priced and ought to be a > useful general purpose lubricant wherever a light oil's needed. > > I stuck around and played on the Hammond a while, then slipped down to > the choir room and tuned up the not-as-old all-electronic Thomas organ > that was horribly out of tune. The oscillator tuning coils had frozen > solidly in place, tight as Dick's hatband, but my old engine > experience kept me from breaking anything. I applied some penetrating > oil a month ago, and today all but one of the 12 coils were free, and > that one happened to already be in tune! > > Not engines or stack music, but I've had a pretty good day mechanically! > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gwaugh at wowway.com Sat Mar 26 08:21:47 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:21:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503261621.j2QGLk506319@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Arnie, you have "contacts" "over there"; why not make arrangements to have it picked up? And maybe to charter the Queen Mary to bring it over. Sure would make a slick display---after you got that new tow truck! Gene -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 9:39 AM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER Now THAT is one cool toy!!! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- View this Item on eBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6165746045 ----------------------------------------------------------------- GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER ( electric motor or steam) MODEL AS SEEN AND USED BY FRED DIBNAH ON TELEVISION Item number: 6165746045 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Starting bid: GBP?500.00 (Approximately?US $935.48) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Summary Removed from forge in good working order at the end of February 2005. Will only require minor fettling on installation. Flat belt driven. Could be powered either by electric motor or steam. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gwaugh at wowway.com Sat Mar 26 08:32:52 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:32:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gas Engines and Steam Tractors In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050326105036.0f090a70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200503261632.j2QGWot12238@pop-6.dnv.wideopenwest.com> >ANYWAY, the steam engines became such a pain in the rear that I went back >to GAS ENGINES and enjoy life much more than before!! >Joe Maurer >Toadhill Farm Hi Joe, Am I correct in thinking that you believe that the internal combustion engine will "catch on" (ie be accepted by the public at large) and that steam power will soon be a thing of the past? Dave Hi Dave, I bet that steam will be dead by the middle of the century! Gene From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 08:33:03 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:33:03 +0000 Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f602516050326083348c7d23a@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:38:35 -0500 (EST), Arnie Fero wrote: > Now THAT is one cool toy!!! Somewhat over the top with description AND pricing. You could probably still pick one up in the Midalnds around Brum for scrap price. The depot we collected the Beaver Turret Mill from had a couple of those, do you want me to ship one over to PA?? :-)) Good luck to the guy, but I doubt he'll fetch anything for it. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 26 08:58:40 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:58:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER In-Reply-To: <200503261621.j2QGLk506319@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> References: <200503261621.j2QGLk506319@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: Gene, I gave that beast long, serious consideration before posting it to the list. 8-)) Like I said, that is one COOL toy! See ya, Arnie On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, Gene Waugh wrote: > Arnie, you have "contacts" "over there"; why not make arrangements to have > it picked up? And maybe to charter the Queen Mary to bring it over. Sure > would make a slick display---after you got that new tow truck! From garyepps at fidnet.com Sat Mar 26 08:55:29 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:55:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER In-Reply-To: <200503261621.j2QGLk506319@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> References: <200503261621.j2QGLk506319@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <42459401.3020800@fidnet.com> Is there a new International pickup in Arnie's future? Gary Gene Waugh wrote: > Arnie, you have "contacts" "over there"; why not make arrangements to have > it picked up? And maybe to charter the Queen Mary to bring it over. Sure > would make a slick display---after you got that new tow truck! > > Gene > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 9:39 AM > To: Stationary Engine List > Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER > > Now THAT is one cool toy!!! > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > View this Item on eBay at > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6165746045 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER ( electric motor or steam) > MODEL AS SEEN AND USED BY FRED DIBNAH ON TELEVISION > Item number: 6165746045 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Starting bid: GBP 500.00 > (Approximately US $935.48) > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Summary > Removed from forge in good working order at the end of February 2005. > Will only require minor fettling on installation. > Flat belt driven. Could be powered either by electric motor or steam. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 26 09:06:38 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:06:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: <424587C2.3000803@comcast.net> References: <4244B9BF.10504@comcast.net> <014a01c531a9$989bab60$0301a8c0@Reg> <424587C2.3000803@comcast.net> Message-ID: I hate to be the one to break this to you, but the spring-loaded hones you describe are also just glaze breakers. They will not do a thing for out-of-round or tapered bores. Precision cylinder hones are rigid (like the Sunnen) and are damn expensive!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, guitronics wrote: > OK.I can respect your opinion.Then again, the only accurate hone would > be 3 stones spring-or-gravity 'loaded' on a precision lathe. > > Reg Ingold wrote: > > >I hate to tell you this but you are using a 'deglazer' > >It is NOT an accurate hone. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "guitronics" > > > >>I'd use a "Bottle Washer" type of hone,much simpler and easier to use > >>than the standard "Stone"type. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Mar 26 09:35:00 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:35:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER In-Reply-To: <6f602516050326083348c7d23a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200503261735.j2QHZ4xs077816@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Somewhat over the top with description AND pricing. You could probably > still pick one up in the Midalnds around Brum for scrap price. Hi Peter, As I've said before, you guys live in the land of milk and honey. Smaller trip hammers bring some pretty good jack here. Perhaps you could bring out a few next month and offer them up at the auction. Rob From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Mar 26 09:43:39 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:43:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER References: <200503261621.j2QGLk506319@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: Not the Goliath, but we see the "Little Giants" are here at auction occastionally. And there's a few at the Mt. shows. The last one at auction went for around 2500. Corky wants one bad and is in the process of outfitting his blacksmith shop. I have no clue where's he's going to build this shop...well maybe one clue:-)) Wife's lookin' at flooring for 5 rockets a square foot. Doesn't she know there's still old iron out there:-((( later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 9:58 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER > Gene, I gave that beast long, serious consideration before posting it to > the list. 8-)) Like I said, that is one COOL toy! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, Gene Waugh wrote: > > > Arnie, you have "contacts" "over there"; why not make arrangements to > > have > > it picked up? And maybe to charter the Queen Mary to bring it over. > > Sure > > would make a slick display---after you got that new tow truck! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Mar 26 09:50:54 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:50:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Spindle Oil, Lathes & Hammonds In-Reply-To: <007e01c53213$662e3980$04000100@shuttle> References: <583dff9f9da2017fb189d469e4ed3d81@chartertn.net> <007e01c53213$662e3980$04000100@shuttle> Message-ID: Don, your son likely knows this, but the tone generators need lubing annually. When the organs first came out they said 3 months, then decided that was too much. There are three cups on the back, at least of the M3 model I've been working on; I think some models have two. You're supposed to put in enough oil to fill the cups 3/4 full, but they're really funnels so you don't try to keep them full. The cups in the cover over the tone generator are funnels that drip into similar cup/funnels on the inside, right on the tone generator, and they drip into that copper trough I mentioned. From there the cotton threads wick it to the bearings. If the thing's stuck and won't turn over, there are a few likely fixes. It's actually quite unusual for either the start or run motors to burn out. Sometimes switches go bad and have to be replaced. More often, the bearings have gone dry from lack of oiling, and old oil may have gummed up in them. Fully oiling the thing and letting it sit for a week or so is the first thing to do. Find that Bendix drive I mentioned and put a little oil directly on it. Work the sliding gear back and forth to make sure it's free and oiled. If it's sticking, you'll hear the start motor whir and grind, but the tone generator never spools up. If the tone generator bearings are gummed up, after time for the oil to penetrate to the bearings you may have to give it a boost by hand to start it. On the left side of the generator looking from the back, there's a wheel attached to the main shaft. You can manipulate the start switch by reaching around from the back with the left hand while giving that wheel a shove with the right hand, turning it over the top toward the front of the organ. I had to do that with this M3 that hadn't been oiled in 5 years. Once it's going, let it run a while and it'll free itself up as long as it's got new, fresh oil in it. The normal starting drill is to hold the "Start" switch for about 8 seconds, continue holding it while flipping on the "Run" switch, then after about 4 more seconds the "Start" switch can be released. Turning on the "Run" switch turns on the amplifier. I'm still hunting for a Hammond of my own. The Loyal Bereans weren't doing anything with this one, of course, till I fixed it up, but now I think they've got somebody playing it. I'll be glad to maintain it as long as they're using it, but I may make 'em an offer for it at their next class meeting and see what they say. Found a guy out in St. Joseph, Missouri with an A-100 at a very reasonable asking price a while back, but he's been very slow responding and hasn't gotten back to me in weeks. I think he's out of the picture. Got a tantalizing report from a friend in a nearby music store of a little Pentecostal church that's maybe going to ditch their C3 with Leslies for a modern keyboard, but the only contact info I've got's a cell phone that's never answered and has no voice mail. Can't find any further info on the church anywhere. As for B3s, guitronics, yeah, they're cool. But they've gotten overpriced. C3s are identical, in a different style case. The A100 series has the innards of the B3 combined with the power amplifier and speakers of the Hammond FR40 tone cabinet in a spinet-like case, so it was a very practical organ for home use with limited space. They don't sell for nearly as much as B3s, because a lot of people don't know they're the same internally. The M3 spinet I'm working on is also similar in many ways to the B3 and others of the -3 series, but has fewer keys and pedals, has a built-in power amp and speaker for stand-alone use without a tone cabinet or Leslie, has no presets, and lacks the "foldback" connections that keep all the drawbars active on the higher notes by "folding back" to the harmonics of the same note an octave down. The M3's nicknamed the "Baby B3" because of its tonal similarities. It's popular to add foldback kits to the spinets, but it's a lot of work. Any of these things can be hooked to a Leslie, but Leslies have gotten pricey. Ebay's largely turned around the giving away or throwing away of these organs (and Leslies) that was so common till very recently. BTW, if you remember Booker T. & The M.G.s' "Green Onions," that was recorded with an M3, no Leslie. Remember Procol Harum's "Whiter Shade of Pale?" An M102 spinet. Keith Emerson used to get really rough with his M102, wrestling with it onstage, stabbing big knives into it, pulling it over on himself, throwing it offstage... The roadies reinforced the case with angle iron and put retainers on the tubes to keep them from jolting out, but the little Hammond kept right on playing for years. When he hit it big with Emerson, Lake and Palmer (who sold more albums than anyone else in the '70s), he went mainly to a C3 with Leslies and started supplementing it with a synth. John On Mar 26, 2005, at 9:52 AM, Don wrote: > Hi bro John > Gee tnx fer the info on the hammon My son has 3 of them and thats > sounds just like the thing it needs as it doesn"t want to spool up.. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 11:22:23 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:22:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: References: <4244B9BF.10504@comcast.net> <014a01c531a9$989bab60$0301a8c0@Reg> <424587C2.3000803@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605032611226a9c6914@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:06:38 -0500 (EST), Arnie Fero wrote: > I hate to be the one to break this to you, but the spring-loaded hones you > describe are also just glaze breakers. They will not do a thing for > out-of-round or tapered bores. Precision cylinder hones are rigid (like > the Sunnen) and are damn expensive!! > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero There is/was a precision honing company in Luton that we have used in the past, they certainly had some weird machinery there! They did all sorts of precision rifle-bore (cannon-bore?) type of stuff, but were always happy to help out with the occasional sideline job like a barrel off an engine. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 11:15:38 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:15:38 +0000 Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER In-Reply-To: <200503261735.j2QHZ4xs077816@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <6f602516050326083348c7d23a@mail.gmail.com> <200503261735.j2QHZ4xs077816@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605032611152da55780@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:35:00 -0800, Rob Skinner wrote: > > Somewhat over the top with description AND pricing. You could probably > > still pick one up in the Midalnds around Brum for scrap price. > > Hi Peter, > As I've said before, you guys live in the land of milk and honey. Smaller trip > hammers bring some pretty good jack here. Perhaps you could bring out a few > next month and offer them up at the auction. > > Rob Not quite! :-)) We do still have a lot of old machinery going for a song, as manufacturing is on the slide over here, just as it was in the USA a few years back. Anything in mechanical engineering seems to be just scrap value these days. Here is a typical example, posted in a local newspaper in the West of England: "LATHE. Colchester Student. Round top, gap bed , approx 30in between centres, 3+4 jaw chucks and steady. 3-phase , gwo. Mill. Bridgeport , 3 phase, power feed, gwo ?800 the pair. " At $US 1800.00 or so, that is not bad at all !! Plus the Beaver Turret mill we bought on ebay recently for ?500, that is very good considering that it's normal market value should be ?2500 or so. There is just no market now, so people like us who want a cheap bit of machinery are indeed in the land of milk and honey! Not far to go until we get on the big bird.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 11:19:09 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:19:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER In-Reply-To: References: <200503261621.j2QGLk506319@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605032611196e6edd33@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:43:39 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > Not the Goliath, but we see the "Little Giants" are here at auction > occastionally. And there's a few at the Mt. shows. The last one at auction > went for around 2500. Corky wants one bad and is in the process of > outfitting his blacksmith shop. I have no clue where's he's going to build > this shop...well maybe one clue:-)) > > Wife's lookin' at flooring for 5 rockets a square foot. Doesn't she know > there's still old iron out there:-((( > > later, > RickinMt. Ya gotta keep the domestic stuff under control, Rick! I have just spent most of last week's evenings and most of this Easter on refitting a kitchen... Jeez, that's all my spare engine time gone this month! :-(( Fortunately the Rushden Cavalcade has been moved on the calendar and also a new location, so Arnie won't see it in the mud-bath of old, it has moved 5 miles south just on the A6 road south of Rushden, slightly nearer to us, we live on the southern outskirts of town just off the same road. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Mar 26 12:24:40 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:24:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: <6f60251605032611226a9c6914@mail.gmail.com> References: <4244B9BF.10504@comcast.net> <014a01c531a9$989bab60$0301a8c0@Reg> <424587C2.3000803@comcast.net> <6f60251605032611226a9c6914@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <055c19f8e2a47bdbc0dc45b78a1e6b14@chartertn.net> Wonder if anybody's rifled an engine bore? Might be an interesting way to operate a rotary valve system. John > They did all sorts of precision rifle-bore (cannon-bore?) type of > stuff, but were always happy to help out with the occasional sideline > job like a barrel off an engine. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Mar 26 12:27:01 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:27:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Model collector Message-ID: <4245C595.7060709@earthlink.net> Hi all, Reply directly if you care to. Not on the lists. Jeff -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Touching base - Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 23:30:15 -0500 From: Reed Martin To: transteck at earthlink.net Hello. I live in the suburbs of Washington, D.C. Many years before the doctors and lawyers flooded the region, there were model engineering clubs which met regularly and held meetings and outings. I have the tether boat "WASP" which amazed the world when it turned 35 mph in 1935. Some years ago I also discovered a 30cc little single cylinder model gas engine built from "an Elmer Wall kit" in 1936. Over the past 25 years that first engine has led to my trying to locate examples of the many different designs which Mr. Elmer Wall pretty much thought up himself. The collection now numbers about 25 different patterns or pattern variations which he originated. A few never reached production and are "one-offs," and some are subtle variations. I am always looking for photos of Mr. Wall, stories, and contacts with anyone who owns an Elmer Wall model gas engine. Sincerely, Reed Martin reedbanjo at comcast.net -- Reed Martin 6431 79th Street Cabin John, Maryland 20818 301-229-3482 reedbanjo at comcast.net From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 26 12:31:25 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:31:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale In-Reply-To: <6f60251605032611196e6edd33@mail.gmail.com> References: <200503261621.j2QGLk506319@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> <6f60251605032611196e6edd33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > Fortunately the Rushden Cavalcade has been moved on the calendar and > also a new location, so Arnie won't see it in the mud-bath of old, it > has moved 5 miles south just on the A6 road south of Rushden, slightly > nearer to us, we live on the southern outskirts of town just off the > same road. What are their plans regarding the real ale festival that's been held in conjunction with the Rushden Cavalcade? In previous years, the "beer tent" was that gorgeous old barn and they had a truly mind boggling assortment of 40 or 50 different barrels of ale. As far as I was concerned the engine show was just a pleasent accompanyment to the ale tasting. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/arnie+steamer.jpg See ya, Arnie PS - Are you going to Tulare in April? From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Mar 26 13:30:05 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 07:30:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap References: <4244B9BF.10504@comcast.net><014a01c531a9$989bab60$0301a8c0@Reg> <424587C2.3000803@comcast.net> Message-ID: <009201c5324a$fc63e120$0301a8c0@Reg> My only reason for speaking was that Luke is working on a new bore and the type you use would NOT finish his bore correctly. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "guitronics" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap > OK.I can respect your opinion.Then again, the only accurate hone would > be 3 stones spring-or-gravity 'loaded' on a precision lathe. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Mar 26 13:24:03 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 07:24:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money References: <3rr9ri$q266rt@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net> <002601c5320d$b1454e00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <009101c5324a$fbff2be0$0301a8c0@Reg> Ha! I love it!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money > "sounds like you can't afford to save any more money". > > > > I keep some of these on the counter . > http://www.creativedice.com/images/OpenBox-orderpg.jpg > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sat Mar 26 13:45:39 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:45:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap References: <4244B9BF.10504@comcast.net> <014a01c531a9$989bab60$0301a8c0@Reg> <424587C2.3000803@comcast.net> <6f60251605032611226a9c6914@mail.gmail.com> <055c19f8e2a47bdbc0dc45b78a1e6b14@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <001b01c5324d$2704e530$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Hell of an Idea. You could then use the crancase vent system as a gass generator for a turbine.'-) Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap > Wonder if anybody's rifled an engine bore? > > Might be an interesting way to operate a rotary valve system. > > John > >> They did all sorts of precision rifle-bore (cannon-bore?) type of >> stuff, but were always happy to help out with the occasional sideline >> job like a barrel off an engine. > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.3 - Release Date: 3/25/2005 > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Mar 26 14:02:59 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:02:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Gas Engines and Steam Tractors In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050326105036.0f090a70@mail.alltel.net> References: <001401c53216$416a9320$18cd940c@mcness.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050326105036.0f090a70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4245DC13.6030907@steamengine.com.au> Laugh away Dave, There are still big steam engines in or near just about every major city or town. Where do you think your electricity comes from? :) Paul Dave Rotigel wrote: > > Hi Joe, > Am I correct in thinking that you believe that the internal > combustion engine will "catch on" (ie be accepted by the public at > large) and that steam power will soon be a thing of the past? > Dave -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.3 - Release Date: 25/03/2005 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 14:08:17 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:08:17 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale In-Reply-To: References: <200503261621.j2QGLk506319@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> <6f60251605032611196e6edd33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160503261408147fade2@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:31:25 -0500 (EST), Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Peter, > > On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > Fortunately the Rushden Cavalcade has been moved on the calendar and > > also a new location, so Arnie won't see it in the mud-bath of old, it > > has moved 5 miles south just on the A6 road south of Rushden, slightly > > nearer to us, we live on the southern outskirts of town just off the > > same road. > > What are their plans regarding the real ale festival that's been held in > conjunction with the Rushden Cavalcade? In previous years, the "beer > tent" was that gorgeous old barn and they had a truly mind boggling > assortment of 40 or 50 different barrels of ale. The old RHTS website has closed and they have a new address: http://www.cavalcade.org.uk/ > As far as I was concerned the engine show was just a pleasent > accompanyment to the ale tasting. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/arnie+steamer.jpg Beer varieties and prices for 2004 are here: http://www.cavalcade.org.uk/Beer.htm > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Are you going to Tulare in April? We booked the flight last September, so you could say we are going to Tulare! We are staying overnight at Visalia on the 16th and returning back to San Jose with Tim & Sally on the Sunday after the main day at the show. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 26 14:22:07 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:22:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money References: <3rr9ri$q266rt@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net><002601c5320d$b1454e00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <009101c5324a$fbff2be0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <004d01c53252$3f463540$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Ha! I love it!!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > I keep some of these on the counter . > > http://www.creativedice.com/images/OpenBox-orderpg.jpg I need to put them on the web I guess , the only guys that have bought them were techs . Monday there was a 16 YO with a 20YO BMW got washed up here I had him remove the water pump before I would sell him one because it " wouldnt pump" It was in fine shape . I handed him the blue die (cooling system) he rolled -radiator- and looked at me all wide eyed ( I had just told him the radiator was plugged up about 16 times) and he says ........... " REALLY ?!?!?!? "" "only if you get the same thing twice , roll again" Chuck Ps I still cant believe Charlie had to unsubscribe for a little thing like this From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 26 14:32:07 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:32:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER References: <200503261621.j2QGLk506319@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> <6f60251605032611196e6edd33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007501c53253$a511aac0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Ya gotta keep the domestic stuff under control, Rick! I have just > spent most of last week's evenings and most of this Easter on > refitting a kitchen... Jeez, that's all my spare engine time gone this > month! :-(( I trust you put all the plumbing on machined stand offs on the outside of the wall , plumbed in hard brass and polished to a Victorian standard of brilliance . From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Sat Mar 26 14:43:56 2005 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:43:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Famous Pinstriping Message-ID: Hi List, Was wondering if anyone has a clear photo or detail of the pinstriping for a horizontal tank cooled IHC Famous. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Lyndsay in OZ From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Mar 26 14:52:43 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:52:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: <001b01c5324d$2704e530$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> References: <4244B9BF.10504@comcast.net> <014a01c531a9$989bab60$0301a8c0@Reg> <424587C2.3000803@comcast.net> <6f60251605032611226a9c6914@mail.gmail.com> <055c19f8e2a47bdbc0dc45b78a1e6b14@chartertn.net> <001b01c5324d$2704e530$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Message-ID: <84a6c28ea043d7bd204f7f1ebbe51c73@chartertn.net> Beats having to run it all the way around through the exhaust system. Heck, you could probably do without any exhaust valves or ports! John On Mar 26, 2005, at 4:45 PM, Skip Cleveland wrote: > Hell of an Idea. You could then use the crancase vent system as a gass > generator for a turbine.'-) > Skip John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 26 15:00:04 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:00:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Neat! Tod engine's Allis-Chalmers loader Message-ID: <20050326230004.43439.qmail@web52709.mail.yahoo.com> Wow! That is a nice wheel loader! I wish I had one of those, too. The tires even look half-way decent! I can't tell from the photos if it has the 2-stroke 4-71 GMC/Detroit Diesel engine or the later 4-stroke Buda/Allis-Chalmers diesel. I have worked around both, but it was such a long time ago I can't remember exactly what they look like without seeing the air intake system. Which engine does it have? Work and play safely, Rich Allen From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 26 15:18:46 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:18:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT- Kool-Aid easy Easter Egg dye Message-ID: <20050326231846.41049.qmail@web52708.mail.yahoo.com> I forgot to get this out early this week. For those of you who do Easter egg hunts for the little future engine collectors, if you haven't made the dyed eggs yet, use Kool-Aid unsweetened drink mix. Mix one or two packets in a cup of warm water and dunk the hard boiled eggs in for a few seconds. The unsweetened drink mix has everything in it to dye the eggs just right, and besides that they smell great! Imagine that, grape or cherry flavored hard boiled eggs! Well, at least on the outside, the flavor doesn't reach the egg white and yolk inside and they still taste great with a little salt and pepper, or for making egg salad sandwiches. Of course, don't use the eggs after more than a few hours of being outside and wash them before peeling. Have fun with the little ones! From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat Mar 26 15:56:54 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 00:56:54 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Famous Pinstriping References: Message-ID: <000501c5325f$80336160$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Lyndsay, I can give some examples I have seen on Famous engines, but sofar I know they left the factory without any pinstriping. Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > Hi List, > Was wondering if anyone has a clear photo or detail of the > pinstriping for a horizontal tank cooled IHC Famous. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Regards, > Lyndsay in OZ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Mar 26 16:08:57 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:08:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Neat! Tod engine's Allis-Chalmers loader References: <20050326230004.43439.qmail@web52709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01c53261$2c0811b0$a65bef18@pengy> Rich, The engine is Allis Chalmers' own make. It runs great, give a squirt of ether in the intake and she fires right up. Its a model D-344. Today was my first real chance to run it and do some real work. I soon found that it had absolutely no brakes, so I set out to fix that. One of the brake lines needed replaced and the master cylinder bled. Its obvious that the master cylinder probably didn't get checked often, as you have to remove the floorboard in the cab to get to it! Not the best design IMO. Its also very uncomfortable to work on it, I had to work upside down much of the time. After getting the brakes to work I fired her up and started digging up some topsoil so I can put in gravel later. Everything works great and she has plenty of power but I still have alot of learning to do on the finer points of operation. The next project is to get all the dashboard gauges to function as well as the lights. Not too bad an investment figuring I paid half of scrap value for it. Rick Rowlands ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Allen" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 6:00 PM Subject: [SEL] Neat! Tod engine's Allis-Chalmers loader > Wow! That is a nice wheel loader! I wish I had one of those, too. The > tires even look half-way decent! I can't tell from the photos if it has > the 2-stroke 4-71 GMC/Detroit Diesel engine or the later 4-stroke > Buda/Allis-Chalmers diesel. I have worked around both, but it was such > a long time ago I can't remember exactly what they look like without > seeing the air intake system. Which engine does it have? > > Work and play safely, > > Rich Allen > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Mar 26 16:12:23 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:12:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What is Type C transmission Fluid? References: <3rb42s$no57hf@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <002701c53261$a6875270$a65bef18@pengy> The manual for our front end loader calls for Type C transmission fluid. I've never heard of it before. Can I just use regular hydraulic fluid? Thanks Rick From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Sat Mar 26 16:17:05 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:17:05 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Gas Engines and Steam Tractors In-Reply-To: <200503261632.j2QGWot12238@pop-6.dnv.wideopenwest.com> References: <200503261632.j2QGWot12238@pop-6.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <4245FB81.4000406@optusnet.com.au> Gene Waugh wrote: >>ANYWAY, the steam engines became such a pain in the rear that I went back >>to GAS ENGINES and enjoy life much more than before!! >>Joe Maurer >>Toadhill Farm >> >> > >Hi Joe, > Am I correct in thinking that you believe that the internal >combustion engine will "catch on" (ie be accepted by the public at large) >and that steam power will soon be a thing of the past? > Dave > >Hi Dave, > >I bet that steam will be dead by the middle of the century! > >Gene > >********** > > Just don't tell the power stations. Jack in Oz ********** From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Mar 26 16:45:59 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:45:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What is Type C transmission Fluid? In-Reply-To: <002701c53261$a6875270$a65bef18@pengy> References: <3rb42s$no57hf@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> <002701c53261$a6875270$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: Dexron III replaces the C series transmission fluids. Type C was an Allison specification. John On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:12 PM, Tod Engine wrote: > The manual for our front end loader calls for Type C transmission > fluid. I've never heard of it before. Can I just use regular hydraulic > fluid? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sat Mar 26 16:56:17 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:56:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] GAMTRA Swap Meet In-Reply-To: <84a6c28ea043d7bd204f7f1ebbe51c73@chartertn.net> Message-ID: I just got home from the third annual GAMTRA swap meet in Dallas N.C. It was a very successful swap meet for the club and myself. The weather cooperated although Curt seemed a little chilly in his shorts this morning till things warmed up a bit. I quickly sold out almost my entire truck load of treasure, Two carts, three sets of wheels, a pumpjack, post vise and various other rusty items rounded up from around my yard. However, the cash didn't make it home as I bought a set of trucks to go under my Foos. So..... One load sold another load brought home, Don't ya just hate swap meets, I usually bring more home than I took. Is this a disease or what? Any way , I had a blast and the list members there seemed to have a good day as well, Don't miss it for next year. See ya soon , Steve "Cloistered Oyster Brother" Royster > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sat Mar 26 17:00:19 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:00:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] GAMTRA Swap Meet In-Reply-To: <84a6c28ea043d7bd204f7f1ebbe51c73@chartertn.net> Message-ID: I just got home from the third annual GAMTRA swap meet in Dallas N.C. It was a very successful swap meet for the club and myself. The weather cooperated although Curt seemed a little chilly in his shorts this morning till things warmed up a bit. I quickly sold out almost my entire truck load of treasure, Two carts, three sets of wheels, a pumpjack, post vise and various other rusty items rounded up from around my yard. However, the cash didn't make it home as I bought a set of trucks to go under my Foos. So..... One load sold another load brought home, Don't ya just hate swap meets, I usually bring more home than I took. Is this a disease or what? Any way , I had a blast and the list members there seemed to have a good day as well, Don't miss it for next year. See ya soon , Steve "Cloistered Oyster Brother" Royster > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sat Mar 26 17:18:56 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:18:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER In-Reply-To: <6f602516050326083348c7d23a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Arnie, A Blacksmith friend of mine just found one here in the US almost identical to that one badged Little Giant Trip Hammer for near nothing and just finished re doing it.I'll get some pictures next trip over. Steve >> > Now THAT is one cool toy!!! > >Somewhat over the top with description AND pricing. You could probably >still pick one up in the Midalnds around Brum for scrap price. > >The depot we collected the Beaver Turret Mill from had a couple of >those, do you want me to ship one over to PA?? :-)) > >Good luck to the guy, but I doubt he'll fetch anything for it. > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Mar 26 17:49:33 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:49:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] GAMTRA Swap Meet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65fb8d0d7ff19fc4c508f0f76c2ef723@chartertn.net> > Steve "Cloistered Oyster Brother" Royster Just found this in an online dictionary: *********************** Definitions of roister: ? verb:?? engage in boisterous, drunken merry-making ********************** John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Mar 26 18:08:58 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:08:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale In-Reply-To: <6f6025160503261408147fade2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200503270209.j2R2909h099310@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Beer varieties and prices for 2004 are here: > > http://www.cavalcade.org.uk/Beer.htm Har har har!!! Did you read the rules? Lager drinkers can't even get served at the bar!!! From jbcast at charter.net Sat Mar 26 18:25:24 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 2:25:24 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap Message-ID: <3rr4ua$leh94p@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net> > > OK.I can respect your opinion.Then again, the only accurate hone would > > be 3 stones spring-or-gravity 'loaded' on a precision lathe. > > I have three Sunnen hones, a JR, an AN, and a ANhd. I also have an old Sunnen rod honing machine. These are precision pieces od equipment. When boring a cylinder I usually stop .002" small and hone to finish, starting with 100 grit and working up to the finish I want. On small engines if I'm only boring .010 or .020" I just use the hone, it goes pretty quick with the 100 grit dry. The bottle brush gives a nice looking finish but it doesn't do what a hone is supposed to do, remove the high spots. They're ok for a glaze breaker when re ringing. J.B. Castagnos From jbcast at charter.net Sat Mar 26 18:30:58 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 2:30:58 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Gas Engines and Steam Tractors Message-ID: <3rr89i$r7e0ps@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net> > >I bet that steam will be dead by the middle of the century! > > > >Gene > > > > >********** > > > > > Just don't tell the power stations. > > Jack in Oz > ********** > The older power plants used gas to make steam, steam drove turbines. Newer co-gen plants burn gas to drive a turbine like a jet engine, the waste heat is used to make steam for the manufacturing plants. It's said to be more efficient. J.B. Castagnos From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Mar 26 18:32:33 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:32:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What is Type C transmission Fluid? References: <3rb42s$no57hf@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net><002701c53261$a6875270$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <00bd01c53275$3b74cd00$a65bef18@pengy> Thanks John. The tranny gets topped off tommorrow with Dexron III. Just wanted to verify before I added anything. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What is Type C transmission Fluid? > Dexron III replaces the C series transmission fluids. Type C was an > Allison specification. > > John > > On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:12 PM, Tod Engine wrote: > >> The manual for our front end loader calls for Type C transmission fluid. >> I've never heard of it before. Can I just use regular hydraulic fluid? > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tilinghast at yahoo.com Sat Mar 26 18:42:41 2005 From: tilinghast at yahoo.com (David DeWitt) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:42:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ignition switch. Message-ID: <20050327024241.70953.qmail@web60308.mail.yahoo.com> Do any of the list members have any expertise in ignition switch removal ? My daughter has a 1989 Mazda p/u B2200 that wont let the key turn. It appears that something has jamed it up in the steering lock part. I pulled the column covers off tonight and took the electric switch off the back end of the switch but can't figure out how to take out the internal patrs. Looks like it has been riveted to the upper half where it goes around the steering column. Any help woud sure be appreciated. Dave. From rustyiron at bigpond.com Sun Mar 27 07:23:40 2005 From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 23:23:40 +0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ignition switch. References: <20050327024241.70953.qmail@web60308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d901c532e0$ff914220$b0c0fea9@ibmbnh186c> Hi Dave, I've never worked on a Mazda ign switch before but it sounds like any other I've worked on. Those "Rivets" should be what's left of the "Shear Bolts", use a centre punch and tap them undone, there may be four of them. With these removed I don't think you can remove the switch assemble while it's still in the locked position, but you just might get away with it. With the switch/lock all loose and hanging there try and unlock it while there is no pressure on the locking pawl. To remove the "Barrel & Key" from the Locking assemble, I think the Key has to be turned to the Acc position and a 1/16" drill bit pushed into a hole around the base of the lock, which should release the Barrel. Failing that remove the whole steering column place it on the bench, and cut the bastard off!, and trade it in on a Ford! Andy...... Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David DeWitt" To: Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 10:42 AM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ignition switch. > Do any of the list members have any expertise in ignition switch removal ? My daughter has a 1989 Mazda p/u B2200 that wont let the key turn. It appears that something has jamed it up in the steering lock part. I pulled the column covers off tonight and took the electric switch off the back end of the switch but can't figure out how to take out the internal patrs. Looks like it has been riveted to the upper half where it goes around the steering column. Any help woud sure be appreciated. > Dave. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Sat Mar 26 19:55:36 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:55:36 EST Subject: [SEL] New Find Message-ID: <1ef.38a48c98.2f7788b8@aol.com> Hi List, Today, I looked at a Fairbanks Morse ZC118 with radiator and fan, no magneto - stuck, 2 - IHC LBs (3-5HP)- both stuck, 1 - IHC LA (3-5)with cracked head - stuck, 2 Cushman Cubs (1 - 2HP/1 - 3HP), no magnetos, hopper cones missing - both stuck. All engines are weather worn. The only ones that I like are one of the LBs and one one of the Cubs. My question is what are fair west coast prices for these two engines. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sat Mar 26 20:51:11 2005 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:51:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050326224931.03acf3c0@mail.herculesengines.com> Arnie Here are some pictures of our 50lb Star trip hammer that we picked up at the Portland Swap meet a few years ago. Makes a nice racket when your working it. http://www.herculesengines.com/blacksmith/index.htm Keith At 09:38 AM 3/26/2005, you wrote: >Now THAT is one cool toy!!! > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >View this Item on eBay at >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6165746045 > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER ( electric motor or steam) >MODEL AS SEEN AND USED BY FRED DIBNAH ON TELEVISION >Item number: 6165746045 >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Starting bid: GBP 500.00 >(Approximately US $935.48) >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Summary >Removed from forge in good working order at the end of February 2005. >Will only require minor fettling on installation. >Flat belt driven. Could be powered either by electric motor or steam. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Mar 26 20:55:37 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:55:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ignition switch. References: <20050327024241.70953.qmail@web60308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: David..are the tires at an extreme left/right limit or up against the curb? My Toyota is like that sometimes and the steering wheel lock (ignition switch operated) gets jammed. Might try jacking it up or rocking it back and forth. Just a thot RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David DeWitt" To: Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 7:42 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ignition switch. > Do any of the list members have any expertise in ignition switch removal ? > My daughter has a 1989 Mazda p/u B2200 that wont let the key turn. It > appears that something has jamed it up in the steering lock part. I pulled > the column covers off tonight and took the electric switch off the back > end of the switch but can't figure out how to take out the internal patrs. > Looks like it has been riveted to the upper half where it goes around the > steering column. Any help woud sure be appreciated. > Dave. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Mar 26 20:59:25 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:59:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New Find Message-ID: <20050326.205927.1456.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Francis. With out seeing them, I would guess $100 to $150. A complete cub, running will only bring about $350, and an EK will set you back close to $200. Depending on the Hp. of the LB, about the same complete and running, the valve cover is going for about $50 to $60. A pulley for the LB is worth another $50. How bad do they call your name? Hope to see you at Tulare. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:55:36 EST FRM8198 at aol.com writes: > Hi List, > Today, I looked at a Fairbanks Morse ZC118 with radiator and fan, > no magneto > - stuck, 2 - IHC LBs (3-5HP)- both stuck, 1 - IHC LA (3-5)with > cracked head > - stuck, 2 Cushman Cubs (1 - 2HP/1 - 3HP), no magnetos, hopper > cones missing > - both stuck. All engines are weather worn. The only ones that I > like are > one of the LBs and one one of the Cubs. My question is what are > fair west > coast prices for these two engines. > > Francis Maciel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Mar 26 21:04:30 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:04:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New Find References: <1ef.38a48c98.2f7788b8@aol.com> Message-ID: Probably the best site in the west for price comparing thanks to our own George Best. http://www.irontrader.com/ Good Luck Francis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: [SEL] New Find > Hi List, > Today, I looked at a Fairbanks Morse ZC118 with radiator and fan, no > magneto > - stuck, 2 - IHC LBs (3-5HP)- both stuck, 1 - IHC LA (3-5)with cracked > head > - stuck, 2 Cushman Cubs (1 - 2HP/1 - 3HP), no magnetos, hopper cones > missing > - both stuck. All engines are weather worn. The only ones that I like > are > one of the LBs and one one of the Cubs. My question is what are fair > west > coast prices for these two engines. > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Mar 26 22:51:17 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:51:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale References: <200503270209.j2R2909h099310@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <018c01c53299$c18c2720$0301a8c0@Reg> Dunno if it is an engine event or a grand piss up!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 27 00:07:05 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:07:05 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale In-Reply-To: <200503270209.j2R2909h099310@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <6f6025160503261408147fade2@mail.gmail.com> <200503270209.j2R2909h099310@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605032700076f589925@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:08:58 -0800, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > Beer varieties and prices for 2004 are here: > > > > http://www.cavalcade.org.uk/Beer.htm > > Har har har!!! Did you read the rules? > Lager drinkers can't even get served at the bar!!! Too right, Mate! Lager is for wimps! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 27 00:08:48 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:08:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale In-Reply-To: <018c01c53299$c18c2720$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <200503270209.j2R2909h099310@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <018c01c53299$c18c2720$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <6f60251605032700087db70f73@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:51:17 +1000, Reg Ingold wrote: > Dunno if it is an engine event or a grand piss up!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. Both, but the society also has a Real Ale bar at their HQ which is the old Rushden railway station in town. So you can have a decent drink any time, it is open to non-society members. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 27 00:26:06 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:26:06 +0100 Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER In-Reply-To: <200503261735.j2QHZ4xs077816@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <6f602516050326083348c7d23a@mail.gmail.com> <200503261735.j2QHZ4xs077816@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160503270026616d3867@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:35:00 -0800, Rob Skinner wrote: > > Somewhat over the top with description AND pricing. You could probably > > still pick one up in the Midalnds around Brum for scrap price. > > Hi Peter, > As I've said before, you guys live in the land of milk and honey. Smaller trip > hammers bring some pretty good jack here. Perhaps you could bring out a few > next month and offer them up at the auction. > > Rob EXAMPLE: Here is a classic Monarch (USA) lathe, a big version at that, going for less than a couple of dollars: Ebay 7503006291 or if the line comes through in one piece: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64819&item=7503006291 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From guitronics at comcast.net Sun Mar 27 02:30:16 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 05:30:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: References: <4244B9BF.10504@comcast.net> <014a01c531a9$989bab60$0301a8c0@Reg> <424587C2.3000803@comcast.net> Message-ID: <42468B38.4030206@comcast.net> AHHHhhhhhhh:Now I understand what the folks down under were trying to tell me! Of course, you all are right.I replied to that after being awake for 26 hours, I shouldda known better! I know from reading Hot Rod, and Chevy Power, etc....on an automotive "Hot Street" application, they use a Torque plate(to simulate the head distortion) and , if I recall correctly : A Sunnen CK-10 Honing Machine. OOPS! My Bad! Thanks for straightening me out. Arnie Fero wrote: >I hate to be the one to break this to you, but the spring-loaded hones you >describe are also just glaze breakers. They will not do a thing for >out-of-round or tapered bores. Precision cylinder hones are rigid (like >the Sunnen) and are damn expensive!! > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, guitronics wrote: > > > >>OK.I can respect your opinion.Then again, the only accurate hone would >>be 3 stones spring-or-gravity 'loaded' on a precision lathe. >> >>Reg Ingold wrote: >> >> >> >>>I hate to tell you this but you are using a 'deglazer' >>>It is NOT an accurate hone. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "guitronics" >>> >>> >>> >>>>I'd use a "Bottle Washer" type of hone,much simpler and easier to use >>>>than the standard "Stone"type. >>>> >>>> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sun Mar 27 07:11:30 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 07:11:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ignition switch. In-Reply-To: <00d901c532e0$ff914220$b0c0fea9@ibmbnh186c> References: <20050327024241.70953.qmail@web60308.mail.yahoo.com> <00d901c532e0$ff914220$b0c0fea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050327070941.01aa17e0@mail.pennswoods.net> Yea trade it on a ford and then you will have half ford and half Mazda. With a little china man threw in. R Fink PA At 07:23 AM 3/27/2005, you wrote: >Hi Dave, I've never worked on a Mazda ign switch before but it sounds like >any other I've worked on. Those "Rivets" should be what's left of the "Shear >Bolts", use a centre punch and tap them undone, there may be four of them. >With these removed I don't think you can remove the switch assemble while >it's still in the locked position, but you just might get away with it. With >the switch/lock all loose and hanging there try and unlock it while there is >no pressure on the locking pawl. To remove the "Barrel & Key" from the >Locking assemble, I think the Key has to be turned to the Acc position and a >1/16" drill bit pushed into a hole around the base of the lock, which should >release the Barrel. Failing that remove the whole steering column place it >on the bench, and cut the bastard off!, and trade it in on a Ford! >Andy...... > >Andy Nicholson >Exmouth W.A. >Oz. >rustyiron at bigpond.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David DeWitt" >To: >Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 10:42 AM >Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ignition switch. > > > > Do any of the list members have any expertise in ignition switch removal ? >My daughter has a 1989 Mazda p/u B2200 that wont let the key turn. It >appears that something has jamed it up in the steering lock part. I pulled >the column covers off tonight and took the electric switch off the back end >of the switch but can't figure out how to take out the internal patrs. Looks >like it has been riveted to the upper half where it goes around the steering >column. Any help woud sure be appreciated. > > Dave. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Mar 26 20:45:21 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:45:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New Find In-Reply-To: <1ef.38a48c98.2f7788b8@aol.com> Message-ID: <200503271233.j2RCXnLB043605@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Francis, With all due respect, start at $.04 a LB. Sometimes it better to walk away from a deal. Cya at Tulare. Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of FRM8198 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 7:56 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] New Find Hi List, Today, I looked at a Fairbanks Morse ZC118 with radiator and fan, no magneto - stuck, 2 - IHC LBs (3-5HP)- both stuck, 1 - IHC LA (3-5)with cracked head - stuck, 2 Cushman Cubs (1 - 2HP/1 - 3HP), no magnetos, hopper cones missing - both stuck. All engines are weather worn. The only ones that I like are one of the LBs and one one of the Cubs. My question is what are fair west coast prices for these two engines. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From guitronics at comcast.net Sun Mar 27 02:42:33 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 05:42:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Spindle Oil, Lathes & Hammonds In-Reply-To: References: <583dff9f9da2017fb189d469e4ed3d81@chartertn.net> <007e01c53213$662e3980$04000100@shuttle> Message-ID: <42468E19.9050602@comcast.net> John: You sure know your Hammond stuff. I'm not a keyboard player,I'm a guitar picker.My younger brother in Florida has been in a Blues/Rock band(Redeye Express) for 15 years or so.His keyboard player was dragging a B3 and one or 2 Leslies all over....but it was a vintage instrument, and started having problems.He has it in his band room, with the Leslies....the Leslies got motors rebuilt 3 yrs. ago....Now he has some kinda newfangled Electronic (Portable) setup,and darned if it doesn't sound EXACTLY like the B3 + Leslies! He has had people Beg him to sell any part of the B3 setup, but is keeping it as an investment,and uses it occasionally as a "Stationary Model". ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Culp wrote: > Don, your son likely knows this, but the tone generators need lubing > annually. When the organs first came out they said 3 months, then > decided that was too much. There are three cups on the back, at least > of the M3 model I've been working on; I think some models have two. > You're supposed to put in enough oil to fill the cups 3/4 full, but > they're really funnels so you don't try to keep them full. The cups in > the cover over the tone generator are funnels that drip into similar > cup/funnels on the inside, right on the tone generator, and they drip > into that copper trough I mentioned. From there the cotton threads > wick it to the bearings. > > If the thing's stuck and won't turn over, there are a few likely > fixes. It's actually quite unusual for either the start or run motors > to burn out. Sometimes switches go bad and have to be replaced. More > often, the bearings have gone dry from lack of oiling, and old oil may > have gummed up in them. Fully oiling the thing and letting it sit for > a week or so is the first thing to do. Find that Bendix drive I > mentioned and put a little oil directly on it. Work the sliding gear > back and forth to make sure it's free and oiled. If it's sticking, > you'll hear the start motor whir and grind, but the tone generator > never spools up. If the tone generator bearings are gummed up, after > time for the oil to penetrate to the bearings you may have to give it > a boost by hand to start it. On the left side of the generator looking > from the back, there's a wheel attached to the main shaft. You can > manipulate the start switch by reaching around from the back with the > left hand while giving that wheel a shove with the right hand, turning > it over the top toward the front of the organ. I had to do that with > this M3 that hadn't been oiled in 5 years. Once it's going, let it run > a while and it'll free itself up as long as it's got new, fresh oil in > it. The normal starting drill is to hold the "Start" switch for about > 8 seconds, continue holding it while flipping on the "Run" switch, > then after about 4 more seconds the "Start" switch can be released. > Turning on the "Run" switch turns on the amplifier. > > I'm still hunting for a Hammond of my own. The Loyal Bereans weren't > doing anything with this one, of course, till I fixed it up, but now I > think they've got somebody playing it. I'll be glad to maintain it as > long as they're using it, but I may make 'em an offer for it at their > next class meeting and see what they say. Found a guy out in St. > Joseph, Missouri with an A-100 at a very reasonable asking price a > while back, but he's been very slow responding and hasn't gotten back > to me in weeks. I think he's out of the picture. Got a tantalizing > report from a friend in a nearby music store of a little Pentecostal > church that's maybe going to ditch their C3 with Leslies for a modern > keyboard, but the only contact info I've got's a cell phone that's > never answered and has no voice mail. Can't find any further info on > the church anywhere. > > As for B3s, guitronics, yeah, they're cool. But they've gotten > overpriced. C3s are identical, in a different style case. The A100 > series has the innards of the B3 combined with the power amplifier and > speakers of the Hammond FR40 tone cabinet in a spinet-like case, so it > was a very practical organ for home use with limited space. They don't > sell for nearly as much as B3s, because a lot of people don't know > they're the same internally. The M3 spinet I'm working on is also > similar in many ways to the B3 and others of the -3 series, but has > fewer keys and pedals, has a built-in power amp and speaker for > stand-alone use without a tone cabinet or Leslie, has no presets, and > lacks the "foldback" connections that keep all the drawbars active on > the higher notes by "folding back" to the harmonics of the same note > an octave down. The M3's nicknamed the "Baby B3" because of its tonal > similarities. It's popular to add foldback kits to the spinets, but > it's a lot of work. Any of these things can be hooked to a Leslie, but > Leslies have gotten pricey. Ebay's largely turned around the giving > away or throwing away of these organs (and Leslies) that was so common > till very recently. > > BTW, if you remember Booker T. & The M.G.s' "Green Onions," that was > recorded with an M3, no Leslie. Remember Procol Harum's "Whiter Shade > of Pale?" An M102 spinet. > > Keith Emerson used to get really rough with his M102, wrestling with > it onstage, stabbing big knives into it, pulling it over on himself, > throwing it offstage... The roadies reinforced the case with angle > iron and put retainers on the tubes to keep them from jolting out, but > the little Hammond kept right on playing for years. When he hit it big > with Emerson, Lake and Palmer (who sold more albums than anyone else > in the '70s), he went mainly to a C3 with Leslies and started > supplementing it with a synth. > > John > > On Mar 26, 2005, at 9:52 AM, Don wrote: > >> Hi bro John >> Gee tnx fer the info on the hammon My son has 3 of them and thats >> sounds just like the thing it needs as it doesn"t want to spool up.. > > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From guitronics at comcast.net Sun Mar 27 03:16:44 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 06:16:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: <009201c5324a$fc63e120$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <4244B9BF.10504@comcast.net><014a01c531a9$989bab60$0301a8c0@Reg> <424587C2.3000803@comcast.net> <009201c5324a$fc63e120$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <4246961C.2040104@comcast.net> I stand corrected.....Good day! Reg Ingold wrote: >My only reason for speaking was that Luke is working on a new bore and the >type you use would NOT finish his bore correctly. >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "guitronics" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 2:03 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap > > > > >>OK.I can respect your opinion.Then again, the only accurate hone would >>be 3 stones spring-or-gravity 'loaded' on a precision lathe. >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From Bimjy at hotmail.com Sun Mar 27 04:36:48 2005 From: Bimjy at hotmail.com (Jim Hunter) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 07:36:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ignition switch. References: <20050327024241.70953.qmail@web60308.mail.yahoo.com> <00d901c532e0$ff914220$b0c0fea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: FORD.....You are Kidding.....Right? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Ignition switch. Hi Dave, I've never worked on a Mazda ign switch before but it sounds like any other I've worked on. Those "Rivets" should be what's left of the "Shear Bolts", use a centre punch and tap them undone, there may be four of them. With these removed I don't think you can remove the switch assemble while it's still in the locked position, but you just might get away with it. With the switch/lock all loose and hanging there try and unlock it while there is no pressure on the locking pawl. To remove the "Barrel & Key" from the Locking assemble, I think the Key has to be turned to the Acc position and a 1/16" drill bit pushed into a hole around the base of the lock, which should release the Barrel. Failing that remove the whole steering column place it on the bench, and cut the bastard off!, and trade it in on a Ford! Andy...... Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David DeWitt" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 10:42 AM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ignition switch. > Do any of the list members have any expertise in ignition switch removal ? My daughter has a 1989 Mazda p/u B2200 that wont let the key turn. It appears that something has jamed it up in the steering lock part. I pulled the column covers off tonight and took the electric switch off the back end of the switch but can't figure out how to take out the internal patrs. Looks like it has been riveted to the upper half where it goes around the steering column. Any help woud sure be appreciated. > Dave. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From art at etsnj.com Sun Mar 27 05:04:20 2005 From: art at etsnj.com (Art Oswald) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:04:20 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale In-Reply-To: <6f60251605032700076f589925@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000401c532cd$81032a80$1202a8c0@artb0y712ywxp8> I will be traveling to Ireland this summer. Hopefully in June. Does anybody know of any engine shows that might be happening around that time? Art -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1822 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! From falcon at telenet.net Sun Mar 27 05:26:50 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:26:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ignition switch. References: <20050327024241.70953.qmail@web60308.mail.yahoo.com><00d901c532e0$ff914220$b0c0fea9@ibmbnh186c> <6.1.0.6.0.20050327070941.01aa17e0@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <002b01c532d0$a2922400$811117d1@net.telenet.net> If it is an 89 Mazda it IS a Ford... Mazda B-Series = Ford Ranger P/U Same vehicles with different badges. Steve Williams > Yea trade it on a ford and then you will have half ford and half Mazda. > With a little china man threw in. > R Fink > PA > > > At 07:23 AM 3/27/2005, you wrote: > >Hi Dave, I've never worked on a Mazda ign switch before but it sounds like > >any other I've worked on. Those "Rivets" should be what's left of the "Shear > >Bolts", use a centre punch and tap them undone, there may be four of them. > >With these removed I don't think you can remove the switch assemble while > >it's still in the locked position, but you just might get away with it. With > >the switch/lock all loose and hanging there try and unlock it while there is > >no pressure on the locking pawl. To remove the "Barrel & Key" from the > >Locking assemble, I think the Key has to be turned to the Acc position and a > >1/16" drill bit pushed into a hole around the base of the lock, which should > >release the Barrel. Failing that remove the whole steering column place it > >on the bench, and cut the bastard off!, and trade it in on a Ford! > >Andy...... > > > >Andy Nicholson > >Exmouth W.A. > >Oz. > >rustyiron at bigpond.com > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "David DeWitt" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 10:42 AM > >Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ignition switch. > > > > > > > Do any of the list members have any expertise in ignition switch removal ? > >My daughter has a 1989 Mazda p/u B2200 that wont let the key turn. It > >appears that something has jamed it up in the steering lock part. I pulled > >the column covers off tonight and took the electric switch off the back end > >of the switch but can't figure out how to take out the internal patrs. Looks > >like it has been riveted to the upper half where it goes around the steering > >column. Any help woud sure be appreciated. > > > Dave. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Sun Mar 27 05:29:28 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:29:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How about a new vehicle to get to the shows Message-ID: <004901c532d1$011600a0$811117d1@net.telenet.net> http://snipurl.com/doj4 I wonder how much cargo space they left? Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 27 07:18:39 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:18:39 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale In-Reply-To: <000401c532cd$81032a80$1202a8c0@artb0y712ywxp8> References: <6f60251605032700076f589925@mail.gmail.com> <000401c532cd$81032a80$1202a8c0@artb0y712ywxp8> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050327101705.0f0f6fd0@mail.alltel.net> At 08:04 AM 3/27/2005, you wrote: >I will be traveling to Ireland this summer. Hopefully in June. Does >anybody know of any engine shows that might be happening around that >time? >Art Hi Art, Coolspring (PA) is always a good show. It's June 16-18 this year. Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 27 07:47:24 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:47:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] GAMTRA Swap Meet In-Reply-To: <65fb8d0d7ff19fc4c508f0f76c2ef723@chartertn.net> References: <65fb8d0d7ff19fc4c508f0f76c2ef723@chartertn.net> Message-ID: You're only NOW discovering this???? CLEARLY John you have been leaving the annual Portland beer tasting event WAY too early!!!! Those Cloistered Oyster Brothers are a WILD pair!!!! See ya, Arnie On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, John Culp wrote: > > Steve "Cloistered Oyster Brother" Royster > > Just found this in an online dictionary: > > *********************** > Definitions of roister: > > ? verb:?? engage in boisterous, drunken merry-making > ********************** From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Mar 27 07:51:20 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:51:20 EST Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale Message-ID: <19d.307c1aae.2f783078@aol.com> In a message dated 3/27/2005 10:42:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: << >I will be traveling to Ireland this summer. Hopefully in June. Does >anybody know of any engine shows that might be happening around that >time? >Art Hi Art, Coolspring (PA) is always a good show. It's June 16-18 this year >> Hi Dave, How close is Coolspring to Ireland where Art is going in June? Perhaps you have been partaking too much of the Easter Bunny schnapps! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 27 07:57:00 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:57:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050327105445.02664e28@mail.alltel.net> At 10:38 AM 3/26/2005, you wrote: >Now THAT is one cool toy!!! >View this Item on eBay at >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6165746045 > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >GOLIATH POWER FORGING HAMMER ( electric motor or steam) >MODEL AS SEEN AND USED BY FRED DIBNAH ON TELEVISION >Item number: 6165746045 Hi Arnie, I'm glad that I don't have a boat. The last time that you called my attention to something like this I drove to NJ and ended up with a 4,000 lb hack saw! Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 27 08:20:05 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:20:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] UK Engine Rallys in June In-Reply-To: <000401c532cd$81032a80$1202a8c0@artb0y712ywxp8> References: <000401c532cd$81032a80$1202a8c0@artb0y712ywxp8> Message-ID: Hi Art, Here's a couple in England that are worth checking out. You'll be on the right side of the pond at least. 8-)) Lister Tyndale Rally (aka Lister-Petter) 17-19 June http://www.lister-tyndale-steam-rally.co.uk/ 1000 Engine Rally (aka Astle Park) 25-26 June No website? Urban Rally at the Abbey Pumping Station 2-3 July http://www.insulate.co.uk/jim/abbey.htm http://www.leicestermuseums.ac.uk/museums/museframe.html Anson Museum http://www.enginemuseum.org/nindex.html Internal Fire Museum http://www.internalfire.com/ See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, Art Oswald wrote: > I will be traveling to Ireland this summer. Hopefully in June. Does > anybody know of any engine shows that might be happening around that > time? From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 27 08:23:46 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:23:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale In-Reply-To: <018c01c53299$c18c2720$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <200503270209.j2R2909h099310@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <018c01c53299$c18c2720$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: And your point is ..... ??? On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, Reg Ingold wrote: > Dunno if it is an engine event or a grand piss up!! From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 27 08:52:42 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:52:42 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale In-Reply-To: <19d.307c1aae.2f783078@aol.com> References: <19d.307c1aae.2f783078@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050327115052.0f0a2ec0@mail.alltel.net> ><< >I will be traveling to Ireland this summer. Hopefully in June. Does > >anybody know of any engine shows that might be happening around that > >time? > >Art > Hi Art, Coolspring (PA) is always a good show. It's June 16-18 this year >> >Hi Dave, >How close is Coolspring to Ireland where Art is going in June? Perhaps you >have been partaking too much of the Easter Bunny schnapps! >Tom Schmutz Hi Tom, Art did not ask about shows in Ireland. He asked about shows in June. Dave From bill at antique-engines.com Sun Mar 27 09:38:58 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:38:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: <42468B38.4030206@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200503271739.j2RHcxaB025745@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> And small block Chebbie blocks distort more than most others so it's more critical to use a torque plate. I can put an inside mic in a SBC bore and squeeze the block with my hands and it will fall out due to the distortion. Those plates run about $300-$400 and are available for almost anything, even Briggs & Stratton engines. Unless you run even a sunnen rigid hone in a "drill press" or honing machine if you use a hand drill you can put a bit of tilt into it and distort the bore. As was already stated - Anything that is not a rigid hone is a glaze-breaker hone and will not straighten a bore. Bill (in the middle of building a hi-perf engine now) -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of guitronics Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:30 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap AHHHhhhhhhh:Now I understand what the folks down under were trying to tell me! Of course, you all are right.I replied to that after being awake for 26 hours, I shouldda known better! I know from reading Hot Rod, and Chevy Power, etc....on an automotive "Hot Street" application, they use a Torque plate(to simulate the head distortion) and , if I recall correctly : A Sunnen CK-10 Honing Machine. OOPS! My Bad! Thanks for straightening me out. Arnie Fero wrote: >I hate to be the one to break this to you, but the spring-loaded hones >you describe are also just glaze breakers. They will not do a thing >for out-of-round or tapered bores. Precision cylinder hones are rigid >(like the Sunnen) and are damn expensive!! > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, guitronics wrote: > > > >>OK.I can respect your opinion.Then again, the only accurate hone would >>be 3 stones spring-or-gravity 'loaded' on a precision lathe. >> >>Reg Ingold wrote: >> >> >> >>>I hate to tell you this but you are using a 'deglazer' >>>It is NOT an accurate hone. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "guitronics" >>> >>> >>> >>>>I'd use a "Bottle Washer" type of hone,much simpler and easier to >>>>use than the standard "Stone"type. >>>> >>>> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mogul460 at localnet.com Sun Mar 27 12:27:19 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:27:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Safety First Message-ID: <000a01c5330b$620e7a60$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Posted on the SEL by a fellow collector in August 1997 "Hello List member. I had a narrow escape last Saturday morning and thought I should pass it on to you all since several of you are getting large engines. I had been waiting for a friend to come and help start my 35 HP Superior which we had done several times before .Earlier in the week I installed a new propane regulator and done some maintenance. In the process I tightened two bolts that held the main bearing that supports the front of the side shaft, which in turn raised all the cams up this making the magneto fire quicker before piston got to dead center.My being an old timer I did not think of all this. We got on each flywheel and the engine had just a little too much compression to reach top dead center., so I got up higher on the next spoke with BOTH feet when it fired going in the wrong way.I discovered how it feels to be shot from a cannon.. The last thing I remember was seeing the top of the exhaust pipe. I landed about 20 feet luckily on my right side and back. After about 15 minutes I discovered I was still alive no broken bones but not sure my kidneys were in the right place. They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks but I sure learned one. NEVER PUT BOTH FEET ON THE SPOKES. I would be a good buyer for an air starter if anyone has one" From rexhinz at chorus.net Sun Mar 27 11:31:03 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:31:03 -0600 Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale References: <19d.307c1aae.2f783078@aol.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050327115052.0f0a2ec0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001301c53303$86717c70$4086a5d8@mycomputer> I think Art wants to know what shows he will be missing while in Ireland Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale > > ><< >I will be traveling to Ireland this summer. Hopefully in June. Does > > >anybody know of any engine shows that might be happening around that > > >time? > > >Art > > Hi Art, Coolspring (PA) is always a good show. It's June 16-18 this year >> > >Hi Dave, > >How close is Coolspring to Ireland where Art is going in June? Perhaps you > >have been partaking too much of the Easter Bunny schnapps! > >Tom Schmutz > > Hi Tom, Art did not ask about shows in Ireland. He asked about shows in June. > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 27 12:01:52 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:01:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Safety First References: <000a01c5330b$620e7a60$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <012a01c53307$d41aa1f0$230110ac@PAUL> Charlie, darn your hide we did not worry ourselves to death, spend time in prayer asking the Lord to spare your life, just to see you jump on a Superior and make like a rocket.........just kidding. I hope you did not tear any of your incisions apart or upset the heart surgery any. BE CAREFUL my friend, we don't want to lose you. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant" To: "SEL List" Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 2:27 PM Subject: [SEL] Safety First Posted on the SEL by a fellow collector in August 1997 "Hello List member. I had a narrow escape last Saturday morning and thought I should pass it on to you all since several of you are getting large engines. I had been waiting for a friend to come and help start my 35 HP Superior which we had done several times before .Earlier in the week I installed a new propane regulator and done some maintenance. In the process I tightened two bolts that held the main bearing that supports the front of the side shaft, which in turn raised all the cams up this making the magneto fire quicker before piston got to dead center.My being an old From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Mar 27 12:35:00 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:35:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Safety First In-Reply-To: <012a01c53307$d41aa1f0$230110ac@PAUL> References: <000a01c5330b$620e7a60$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> <012a01c53307$d41aa1f0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: Charlie didn't say he was the one who did that. It was a "fellow collector" in 1997. Good safety reminder, though! John On Mar 27, 2005, at 3:01 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > Charlie, darn your hide we did not worry ourselves to death, spend > time in prayer asking the Lord to spare your life, just to see you > jump on a Superior and make like a rocket.........just kidding. I hope > you did not tear any of your incisions apart or upset the heart > surgery any. BE CAREFUL my friend, we don't want to lose you. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 27 12:42:38 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:42:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Safety First In-Reply-To: <012a01c53307$d41aa1f0$230110ac@PAUL> References: <000a01c5330b$620e7a60$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> <012a01c53307$d41aa1f0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: Hey Paul, You must have missed the lead-in line to Charlie's post... See ya, Arnie On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, Paul Maples wrote: > Charlie, darn your hide we did not worry ourselves to death, spend time in > prayer asking the Lord to spare your life, just to see you jump on a > Superior and make like a rocket.........just kidding. I hope you did not > tear any of your incisions apart or upset the heart surgery any. BE CAREFUL > my friend, we don't want to lose you. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles R Bryant" > To: "SEL List" > Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 2:27 PM > Subject: [SEL] Safety First > > Posted on the SEL by a fellow collector in August 1997 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 27 13:17:42 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:17:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Safety First References: <000a01c5330b$620e7a60$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com><012a01c53307$d41aa1f0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <014501c53312$6f5d2390$230110ac@PAUL> Sorry guys, your right, I missed the first line.......getting to where I cannot hear, see, or find a bathroom anymore. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Safety First > Hey Paul, > > You must have missed the lead-in line to Charlie's post... > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, Paul Maples wrote: > >> Charlie, darn your hide we did not worry ourselves to death, spend time >> in >> prayer asking the Lord to spare your life, just to see you jump on a >> Superior and make like a rocket.........just kidding. I hope you did not From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Mar 27 13:18:20 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:18:20 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale References: <200503270209.j2R2909h099310@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><018c01c53299$c18c2720$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <006901c53314$33ac0080$0301a8c0@Reg> If they had a beer tent here the whole lot of the 'organisers' would go into terminal backflips! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 2:23 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale > And your point is ..... ??? From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Mar 27 13:36:29 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:36:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Show pictures Message-ID: <4247275D.7090408@earthlink.net> Hi all, Just finished getting the pictures up from our annual indoor show complete with fences. Mostly FATG stuff, but something for others also. You can view at: http://frapa.us/Photos/WMALL2005/WM2005.html Doing this is a lot of work, and a big thanks to Dave for sharing his Florida trip. I enjoyed the pictures. I'll thank Curt in advance, because I'm now headed for a cold beer and a look at his pictures from sideshaft heaven. Had to get the club stuff done, so haven't had a chance. Jeff Allen From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Mar 27 14:33:13 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:33:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Safety First In-Reply-To: <000a01c5330b$620e7a60$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <000a01c5330b$620e7a60$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <424734A9.70400@steamengine.com.au> Hi Charlie, Actually you learnt two new tricks - the other one was how to fly - an envious situation. You need to work on your staying aloft and landing skills though! Seriously - thanks for highlighting the need to be careful with the larger engines - most of us are around them infrequently and could do with reminders from time to time. Paul Charles R Bryant wrote: > They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks but I sure learned one. NEVER PUT BOTH > FEET ON THE SPOKES. I would be a good buyer for an air starter if anyone has one" -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.3 - Release Date: 25/03/2005 From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 27 15:04:09 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:04:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Safety First In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050327230409.53285.qmail@web14122.mail.yahoo.com> My father-in-law was killed doing that. He worked in the oil fields in PA and was what they call a pumper. He started and ran the engines that pulled the rod lines. One morning he went to start one of the engines and it put him through the roof of the pump house. Don't know the details as he was alone. Ron Charles R Bryant wrote: Posted on the SEL by a fellow collector in August 1997 "Hello List member. I had a narrow escape last Saturday morning and thought I should pass it on to you all since several of you are getting large engines. I had been waiting for a friend to come and help start my 35 HP Superior which we had done several times before .Earlier in the week I installed a new propane regulator and done some maintenance. In the process I tightened two bolts that held the main bearing that supports the front of the side shaft, which in turn raised all the cams up this making the magneto fire quicker before piston got to dead center.My being an old timer I did not think of all this. We got on each flywheel and the engine had just a little too much compression to reach top dead center., so I got up higher on the next spoke with BOTH feet when it fired going in the wrong way.I discovered how it feels to be shot from a cannon.. The last thing I remember was seeing the top of the exhaust pipe. I landed about 20 feet luckily on my right side and back. After about 15 minutes I discovered I was still alive no broken bones but not sure my kidneys were in the right place. They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks but I sure learned one. NEVER PUT BOTH FEET ON THE SPOKES. I would be a good buyer for an air starter if anyone has one" _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Mar 27 15:15:48 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:15:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Newcomer Message-ID: <42473EA4.3010505@earthlink.net> Hi all, Just got a private mail from someone new to this. Don't know what list he is on and I will give him his privacy. Lives in the Lancaster, PA area though. Any info on clubs or shows in that area would be welcome to him I think. I know how tough it is to find stuff when you are new to this hobby. Help him out folks, and maybe he'll jump on the list and post one day. Jeff Allen From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 27 15:24:03 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:24:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Show pictures References: <4247275D.7090408@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <017101c53324$12b75090$230110ac@PAUL> Nice pictures Jeff, thanks for posting them for us to see and enjoy. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; "Oldengine list" Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:36 PM Subject: [SEL] Show pictures > Hi all, > > From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 27 16:41:40 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:41:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Re: Tractor help? Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050327194101.0f1ed2a8@mail.alltel.net> Can anyone help Jenny? Dave >Dave, > >Thanks for your reply. I'm beginning to suspect that we're not in the same >state - Sandy is outside of Salt Lake City, Utah. I found your website by >googling "Tractor Clubs Utah" on the web. Where are you? If you're not in >Utah, can you help me find someone who is? > >Thanks so much! > >Jenny > >On 3/14/05 6:58 PM, "Dave Rotigel" wrote: > > > Hi Jenny, Where the heck is Sandy? Once I know that I'm sure that I can get > > someone to help you! > > Dave > > > > At 07:17 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote: > >> Dave, > >> > >> I'm part of a community non-profit group starting up a community garden in > >> Sandy. We have about a half acre plot of land for the garden and are > >> looking for someone who would be willing to plow it gratis or at a reduced > >> rate. Can you point me in the direction I need to go with this? > >> > >> Thank you so much for your time, > >> > >> Jenny Winkel > > From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sun Mar 27 18:25:31 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:25:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org References: <6f6025160503190723115231ef@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c52ca6$2dcf49c0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503190935235f9fb6@mail.gmail.com> <00cd01c52cba$8d45aca0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f60251605032000452b0fba76@mail.gmail.com> <004401c52d85$256f2b30$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <6f6025160503201227750fd991@mail.gmail.com> <010901c52d9d$1191cb50$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <000701c52d9e$ac4ac0b0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <000801c52da7$9bc03320$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> <001501c52e5e$8b9f65d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <004601c5333d$6aa2c140$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Thanks for your note. If you clik on the immage to go to the shoping cart the immage is larger. It is a template web page and I hope to get it better with more time ,now is not a priority. Right now the building business is booming here and I stay swamped designing the stuff. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Member's and Commercial Links Pages updated on Oldengine.org > Skip, I got it loud and clear. > The only thing I would say is, the pictures are > a little small to see the item well. > Good oppertunity for Betty to visit her family the end of July, > while you visit the HMT show in Panningen :o)) > > Regards, > John H. > > > >> John: See if you can get to my site using >> www.wizbangtools.com >> I can access the site but maybe no one else can. >> >> Thanks. >> Skip >> Ps. Betty is one of your fellow countrymen, she was borne in Rotterdam, >> her >> brother and family live in Ede. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Mar 27 22:04:10 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:04:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Photos of the 2005 Churchill Island Working Horse Festival (and yes it does have engines :) Message-ID: <42479E5A.5080208@steamengine.com.au> I've put up a photo gallery of pics from the 2005 Churchill Island Working Horse Festival. http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/churchill_island_2005/ Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 27/03/2005 From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Mar 28 04:17:40 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:17:40 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits Message-ID: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> I know there are some very inventive people out there . Having seen the old Magic Tap [ or facet] many times at shows has any one seen anything different apart from Dave Rotogels seemingly endless destruction of Maytag's? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Mar 28 04:27:38 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:27:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits In-Reply-To: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au> I've seen a continuously flushing urinal on the outside of the fence. I've also seen a dunny seat with a giant rubber spider under it - kids just can't resist opening it and invariably scream and drop it. Another guy I know puts a button on the fence with "Do not press this button" - whenever someone presses it it sets off a fire alarm powered by his 32v generator then squirts them with a water pistol. They usually learn why not to press it :). Another fella I know has a pair of plastic elephants on his tractor, whenever someone looks at them they get hosed. Paul peter ogborne wrote: > I know there are some very inventive people out there . Having seen the > old Magic Tap [ or facet] many times at shows has any one seen anything > different apart from Dave Rotogels seemingly endless destruction of > Maytag's? > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 27/03/2005 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 28 04:30:52 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 06:30:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Photos of the 2005 Churchill Island Working Horse Festival (and yes it does have engines :) References: <42479E5A.5080208@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <002f01c53391$fe673ba0$230110ac@PAUL> GREAT PICTURES PAUL, a very nice show, thanks for posting them for us to see. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: ; Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 12:04 AM Subject: [SEL] Photos of the 2005 Churchill Island Working Horse Festival (and yes it does have engines :) > I've put up a photo gallery of pics from the 2005 Churchill Island Working > Horse Festival. > > http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/churchill_island_2005/ > > Paul From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Mar 28 05:50:00 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:50:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits In-Reply-To: <4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: One of my favorites is the the little wooden dancing couple the Munter's have. They have an engine belted to a dummy pulley that doesn't really power anything using a rope for a belt. The pulley is attached to the outside of a nice wooden box on legs with two wooden figurines on the top. The figurines are attached to a rod that goes down inside the box. When someone walks by the little wooden couple begins dancing by the rods going up and down. When the people continue on past they stop their dancing. People think it is activated when they happen to walk by. Little do they know it is remote control operated. It is really something else to watch the spectators interact with the 'magic' box. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =============== > >peter ogborne wrote: >>I know there are some very inventive people out there . Having seen the >>old Magic Tap [ or facet] many times at shows has any one seen anything >>different apart from Dave Rotogels seemingly endless destruction of >>Maytag's? >>Peter Ogborne >>Little Grove ,Albany >>West Australia >>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >>jopeter at omninet.net.au From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 28 06:00:15 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:00:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> <4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <014d01c5339e$78088200$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> sets off a fire alarm powered by his 32v > generator then squirts them with a water pistol. They usually learn why > not to press it :). >>>>>>>>>>>>> That New Holland feller with the hooga horn in a artillery shell box says DO NOT OPEN , with a N/C switch on the lid . point taken From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Mar 28 06:56:53 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:56:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits In-Reply-To: <4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au> References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> <4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Peter, My favorite "endless tap" dispenses Guinness. 8-)) http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/1000eng/28.jpg Other cool exhibits include the huge Victor mouse trap with the suckers sitting on the trip pan and the sign that says "Free - Take One." Cool tools include the shovles with the weed wacker engines on the handles and the "Amish chain saw" that consists of a chainsaw bar and chain with a hand-saw handle. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com > peter ogborne wrote: > > I know there are some very inventive people out there . Having seen the > > old Magic Tap [ or facet] many times at shows has any one seen anything > > different apart from Dave Rotogels seemingly endless destruction of > > Maytag's? From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 28 06:57:15 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:57:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3><4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au> <014d01c5339e$78088200$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: Not at an engine show but in Idaho there's a watering hole and inside the ladies bathroon is an indian statue. When the loin cloth/figleaf is raised, bells, buzzers and whistles go off all over the place. And they have a table that slowly lowers and raises. RickinMt. From marvhed at ecenet.com Mon Mar 28 10:17:21 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:17:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] old, old gasoline varnish solvent ?? Message-ID: <12847.199.62.0.252.1112033841.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> the OTTO engine has been sitting for a very long time with the old gas in it. the intake valve and fuel pump check balls were stuck with varnish and the mixer and fuel line filter have hard varnish plugging the up. the gas tank has a sticky mess in the bottom. what is the solvent of choice to remove old gasoline varnish? preferably one that won't harm paint. thanks, marv in minn From nick at holden1.net Mon Mar 28 11:04:24 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:04:24 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] old, old gasoline varnish solvent ?? References: <12847.199.62.0.252.1112033841.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <42485538.000001.02404@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi the best thing that i have used is carburetor cleaner you can get it from your local car repair shop Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net -------Original Message------- From: MARVIN HEDBERG Date: 03/28/05 19:32:23 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] old, old gasoline varnish solvent ?? the OTTO engine has been sitting for a very long time with the old gas in it. the intake valve and fuel pump check balls were stuck with varnish and the mixer and fuel line filter have hard varnish plugging the up. the gas tank has a sticky mess in the bottom. what is the solvent of choice to remove old gasoline varnish? preferably one that won't harm paint. thanks, marv in minn _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mmco at cox-internet.com Mon Mar 28 11:13:15 2005 From: mmco at cox-internet.com (MMCO) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:13:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] old, old gasoline varnish solvent ?? In-Reply-To: <12847.199.62.0.252.1112033841.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <12847.199.62.0.252.1112033841.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <4248574B.4010709@cox-internet.com> That is what I call wanting your cake and eating it too. I use paint remover . Bo Hinch MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > the OTTO engine has been sitting for a very long time with the old gas in > it. the intake valve and fuel pump check balls were stuck with varnish > and the mixer and fuel line filter have hard varnish plugging the up. > the gas tank has a sticky mess in the bottom. > > what is the solvent of choice to remove old gasoline varnish? > preferably one that won't harm paint. > thanks, > marv in minn > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Mar 28 11:14:07 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:14:07 +0000 Subject: Engine model: was Re: [SEL] Piston Ring Gap In-Reply-To: <4244AF23.6090403@telus.net> Message-ID: The engine I'm attempting to build was designed and first built by our very own Reg Ingold. I'm not sure of the scale. Pictures of Reg's engine can be seen here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold/models/freelance/ a movie can be seen here http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/vertmodel/Mvc-009v.mpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: Rupert Wenig > >Hello Luke, > I meant to ask in my last post- What engine are you building? What scale? > >Rupert > From andyglines at hotmail.com Mon Mar 28 11:30:18 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:30:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Babbit bearings & pitted shafts Message-ID: I need to pour some new bearings and the shaft has some deep pits. My original plan was to simply fill the pits with JB weld or Devcon and sand flush with the existing shaft. The filler will have plenty of strength on the shaft but I wonder how it will hold up to the heat of pouring the bearing? Who has experience with this problem? From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Mar 28 12:09:45 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:09:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] old, old gasoline varnish solvent ?? References: <12847.199.62.0.252.1112033841.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <42486489.1BD70500@insulate.co.uk> Hi Marv Try some of the suggestions previously put forward by this group (scroll down!) http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/plugs.htm Dolly MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > the OTTO engine has been sitting for a very long time with the old gas in > it. the intake valve and fuel pump check balls were stuck with varnish > and the mixer and fuel line filter have hard varnish plugging the up. > the gas tank has a sticky mess in the bottom. > > what is the solvent of choice to remove old gasoline varnish? > preferably one that won't harm paint. > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From lfevans at pacbell.net Mon Mar 28 12:36:30 2005 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:36:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Babbit bearings & pitted shafts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050328121725.0276a9f8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Andy, JB Weld is good to 500 degrees F. per factory web site. See: http://jbweld.net/products/jbweld.php I have used it with good success in a 3 hp. Fairbanks Morse Z cylinder to fill deep grooves caused by an errant wrist pin. So far the repair has lasted about 15 years. I just looked at the Devcon site and their standard steel filled epoxy is resistant to 250 degrees F. I think that the various babbitt metals have melting points ranging from 350 to 450 degrees F. Regards, Larry At 11:30 AM 3/28/2005, you wrote: >I need to pour some new bearings and the shaft has some deep pits. My >original plan was to simply fill the pits with JB weld or Devcon and sand >flush with the existing shaft. The filler will have plenty of strength on >the shaft but I wonder how it will hold up to the heat of pouring the >bearing? Who has experience with this problem? > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 12:57:13 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:57:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] old, old gasoline varnish solvent ?? In-Reply-To: <12847.199.62.0.252.1112033841.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <12847.199.62.0.252.1112033841.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <6f602516050328125771fa5604@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:17:21 -0600 (CST), MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > the OTTO engine has been sitting for a very long time with the old gas in > it. the intake valve and fuel pump check balls were stuck with varnish > and the mixer and fuel line filter have hard varnish plugging the up. > the gas tank has a sticky mess in the bottom. > > what is the solvent of choice to remove old gasoline varnish? > preferably one that won't harm paint. > thanks, > marv in minn The best remover is paint stripper! But, you can also use something like WD40 if you are not in a big hurry, and it won't attack the paint as long as it is hardened off. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Mar 28 13:12:37 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:12:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor crank offset. Message-ID: <42487345.2000100@imc-group.com> On the Baker Monitor engines the centerline of the cylinder is offset from the mains to reduce side forces on the piston on the power stroke. This is well discussed and promoted in the original literature. For the purposes of repouring the mains I need to know exactly how far off of cylinder centerline the mains are. Does anyone happen to know? I am making a fixture to hold the dummy shaft in just the correct position parallel to the camshaft and parallel to the cylinder mounting flange. Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 28 13:54:50 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:54:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor crank offset. References: <42487345.2000100@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00ab01c533e1$4daa6d00$0301a8c0@Reg> Dick Daoust does a casting set for that model and the castings are spot on. He could tell you, having done the plans. dodaoust at merr.com Phone: 262 547 4278 Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 28 14:42:19 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:42:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me Message-ID: <012301c533e7$6854b150$230110ac@PAUL> My Sister purchased a Gateway Desktop computer a couple of years ago, it had windows ME on it so this will give you an idea of it's age. Anyway she got on the internet with no virus protection and the next thing I know she is calling me and telling me that her computer will not do anything. I told her to do a system recovery on it but she knows little to nothing about computers and said she could not get it to do a system recovery. I later learned she had put the wrong recovery disk in first, she had put the one in that had all of the drivers on it and not the Operating Systems. By the time I got it someone else had installed Windows XP on it, it only has 64 Meg of Ram on it which is not enough to run XP efficiently. Also with Windows XP in it now it is not recognizing the CD drive. Anyway I am trying to get Windows XP off of it so I can put the original Recovery Disks in it and try and do a system recovery but I don't know how to dump the Windows XP operating System so I can start over, can someone tell me what I need to do. Thanks, Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 28 14:57:46 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:57:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> <4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <013d01c533e9$90f99740$230110ac@PAUL> Paul I will play...........what is a dunny seat? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 6:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Quirky exhibits > I've seen a continuously flushing urinal on the outside of the fence. > I've also seen a dunny seat with a giant rubber spider under it - kids > just can't resist opening it and invariably scream and drop it. Another > guy I know puts a button on the fence with "Do not press this button" - > whenever someone presses it it sets off a fire alarm powered by his 32v From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Mar 28 16:46:44 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:46:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - expansion of metals in oil pumps In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050328121725.0276a9f8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200503290047.j2T0lE78033662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> For the engineers - rob, etc. Engine oil pump - automotive gear type. Gears are steel (or some sort of steel product) housing is aluminum - timing chain cover with pump body in the timing cover. The gear to housing end clearance is supposed to be VERY close to get the pump to put out good pressure. A lot of folks say this is a weak design - that the aluminum will expand more and open clearances between the gears and the housing. They claim the fix is to use aluminum gears in the alum housing so they expand at the same rate, meaning a more accurate and tight pump, longer life, higher pressure, etc. Thoughts? Bill From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Mar 28 17:24:16 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:24:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits In-Reply-To: References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3><4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au> <014d01c5339e$78088200$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <4248AE40.7000706@fidnet.com> Uh, Richard, how do you know about this? Gary Richard Strobel wrote: > Not at an engine show but in Idaho there's a watering hole and inside the > ladies bathroon is an indian statue. When the loin cloth/figleaf is raised, > bells, buzzers and whistles go off all over the place. > > And they have a table that slowly lowers and raises. > > RickinMt. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Mar 28 17:47:10 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:47:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt References: <42433D60.4000604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <01ce01c53401$39f227b0$fe3354d2@Cam> Well done Curt, you've done an excellent coverage of the National, especially in that heat. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:21 AM Subject: [SEL] Oz National Pictures-Curt > G'day SEL, > I have put up a few of the pictures taken at the National in Narracoorte, > SA. Mine were taken in low res. to make it easier on web page writing. > Hope the resolution is decent enough. Sorry about the long index page of > thumbnail, but there was a LOT to see. There are 216 thumbnails of > tractors, trucks, and engines to look at. > Hope you enjoy this side shaft heaven. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Thumbnails.html > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Mar 28 17:54:22 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:54:22 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT - expansion of metals in oil pumps In-Reply-To: <200503290047.j2T0lE78033662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200503290154.j2T1sPdC049809@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > For the engineers - rob, etc. > >Engine oil pump - automotive gear type. Gears are steel (or >some sort of steel product) housing is aluminum - timing >chain cover with pump body in the timing cover. The gear >to housing end clearance is supposed to be VERY close to >get the pump to put out good pressure. A lot of folks say >this is a weak design - that the aluminum will expand more >and open clearances between the gears and the housing. >They claim the fix is to use aluminum gears in the alum >housing so they expand at the same rate, meaning a more >accurate and tight pump, longer life, higher pressure, etc. > > Thoughts? > > Bill Under full load, about three drops per minute per horsepower. Rob From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Mar 28 17:53:39 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:53:39 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT....the skill of a surgeon Message-ID: <000901c53402$271454f0$d3b43dca@ogborneuah38i3> I have always admired the skill of a surgeon even though some can be arrogant and up themselves. There was a horrific accident here in Perth over the Easter weekend ,a10 year old boy had three limbs severed, two hands and a foot. This happened when a basket ball hoop came down bringing the brick wall and metal gutter and facia with it . I believe what is termed a ''Slam Dunk'' was being performed . Our major hospital immediately went into action . All three limbs have been re attached, so far with success. A commendable effort! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Mar 28 17:56:57 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:56:57 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3><4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au> <013d01c533e9$90f99740$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <000f01c53402$a16aff10$d3b43dca@ogborneuah38i3> In case Paul is not around .........a dunny seat = Toilet , lavatory etc etc seat.In the Australian out back ,quite common the home of the very venomous Red Back Spider ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Quirky exhibits > Paul I will play...........what is a dunny seat? > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Pavlinovich" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 6:27 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Quirky exhibits > > >> I've seen a continuously flushing urinal on the outside of the fence. >> I've also seen a dunny seat with a giant rubber spider under it - kids >> just can't resist opening it and invariably scream and drop it. Another >> guy I know puts a button on the fence with "Do not press this button" - >> whenever someone presses it it sets off a fire alarm powered by his 32v > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Mar 28 17:59:14 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:59:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Boort Auction Report References: Message-ID: <01d901c53402$e9477340$fe3354d2@Cam> Thanks for the info Dave, struth that Jelbart made good money. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: [SEL] Boort Auction Report > Hi All, just returned home from Boort auction . It was an interesting sale > with some very desirable engines up for sale, these included > jelbart,hornsby,austral,blackstone and the usual more common varieties. > Adam and myself left Warrnambool at 4am for the 4hr drive up to Boort. We > arrived at 8am to find nothing was even setout for the 10am start but it > wasn't long before the engines came rolling in. But it still took them > until 10.30am before the sale got under way. here is a list of what the > better engines sold for - 14hp Jelbart $13100.00, 6hp coffin type Hornsby > $6900.00, 6hp Blackstone $5400.00, 6hp Austral $5500.00 with the others > bringing from $100.00 up to $1300.00.Three transports sold for $150.00 up > to $260.00. We came home fairly light ,i purchased one of the transports. > A good day in engine world. Dave > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's easy to send photos with Hotmail. Click here to find out how: > http://www.imagine-msn.com/Hotmail/Post/Communicate/SendPhotos.aspx > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Mar 28 18:26:39 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:26:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT....the skill of a surgeon In-Reply-To: <000901c53402$271454f0$d3b43dca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000901c53402$271454f0$d3b43dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <78ecd617458991b6fc35c9cd5f03eb46@chartertn.net> Yeah, I read about that. Pretty awesome! That was a real freak accident! John On Mar 28, 2005, at 8:53 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > I have always admired the skill of a surgeon even though some can be > arrogant and up themselves. There was a horrific accident here in > Perth over the Easter weekend ,a10 year old boy had three limbs > severed, two hands and a foot. This happened when a basket ball hoop > came down bringing the brick wall and metal gutter and facia with it . > I believe what is termed a ''Slam Dunk'' was being performed . > Our major hospital immediately went into action . All three limbs have > been re attached, so far with success. > A commendable effort! > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 28 11:24:49 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:24:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] old, old gasoline varnish solvent ?? Message-ID: <20050328.213635.1068.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Marv, The solvent of MY choice for removing old varnished gasoline is denatured alcohol. Usually, if it's bad, a soaking over night will free all gum from the tank & carb. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Mar 28 18:39:22 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:39:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Aussie Engine Ads References: <200503250239.j2P2d8ND080299@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <026001c53408$84beb2c0$fe3354d2@Cam> Good one, very interesting Patrick. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:39 PM Subject: [SEL] Aussie Engine Ads >I recently bought a few Australian engines ads. They are quite interesting > showing the Aussie agents for some well known overseas engines. > The first one is an Anthony Horden's ad for Challenge engines: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/challenge1918.jpg > The next is a Cooper ad showing a YB Stover: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/cooper1918.jpg > and this one is rare, an Australian Massey-Harris ad: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/mh1927.jpg > this one is a Buzacott ad showing a Buzacott engine but it is actually a > Fuller & Johnson engine with the logo on the hopper changed to a Buzacott > one (quite roughly). > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/buza1929.jpg > All of the Sydney addresses given on the ads are within 5km or so of my > place! When I get some time I will go and check out the addresses and see > what is there now. I know that Anthony Horden was knocked down in the late > 80's and the site is now apartments, a hotel, and an office building (it > is > a big site). > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Mar 28 18:40:34 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:40:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits In-Reply-To: <000f01c53402$a16aff10$d3b43dca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3><4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au> <013d01c533e9$90f99740$230110ac@PAUL> <000f01c53402$a16aff10$d3b43dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: > quite common the home of the very venomous Red Back Spider That's said to be able to bite right through fingernails. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Mon Mar 28 19:04:14 2005 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:04:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3><4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au><014d01c5339e$78088200$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <00b801c5340b$fd43f0e0$d3c57040@user> Back "40" used to have a bar stool mounted on a hydraulic jack. The release was behind the bar. More they drank, the lower they got. Paul Russell Riga, Michigan hit_n_miss at tc3net.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Quirky exhibits Not at an engine show but in Idaho there's a watering hole and inside the ladies bathroon is an indian statue. When the loin cloth/figleaf is raised, bells, buzzers and whistles go off all over the place. And they have a table that slowly lowers and raises. RickinMt. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 3/27/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 3/27/05 From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Mar 28 19:30:19 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:30:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits In-Reply-To: <00b801c5340b$fd43f0e0$d3c57040@user> References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3><4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au><014d01c5339e$78088200$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <00b801c5340b$fd43f0e0$d3c57040@user> Message-ID: That sounds like a safety device. On Mar 28, 2005, at 10:04 PM, Paul Russell wrote: > Back "40" used to have a bar stool mounted on a hydraulic jack. The > release > was behind the bar. More they drank, the lower they got. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jbcast at charter.net Mon Mar 28 19:30:42 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 3:30:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT - expansion of metals in oil pumps Message-ID: <3rr0ks$nthe9b@mxip05a.cluster1.charter.net> > > Engine oil pump - automotive gear type. Gears are steel (or some sort of > steel product) housing is aluminum - timing chain cover with pump body in > the timing cover. > The gear to housing end clearance is supposed to be VERY close to get the > pump to put out good pressure. > A lot of folks say this is a weak design - that the aluminum will expand > more and open clearances between the gears and the housing. > They claim the fix is to use aluminum gears in the alum housing so they > expand at the same rate, meaning a more accurate and tight pump, longer > life, higher pressure, etc. > Most pumps are designed with extra capacity, oil is flowing through the bypass above idle. The earlier Buick carbureted 3.8L had an undersize oil pump. An aftermarket kit had longer gears and a spacer plate to increase volume. J.B. Castagnos From plb at iinet.net.au Mon Mar 28 20:27:45 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:27:45 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3><4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au><013d01c533e9$90f99740$230110ac@PAUL><000f01c53402$a16aff10$d3b43dca@ogborneuah38i3> 190597020 Message-ID: <010801c53417$a822eb00$0201010a@Portable> Thats just the juveniles John. Once they get over 10 inches across the back they will bite right through 1/2 inch plate. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Quirky exhibits >> quite common the home of the very venomous Red Back Spider > > That's said to be able to bite right through fingernails. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Mar 28 21:17:05 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:17:05 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fat Bastard Message-ID: <20050328.211705.1472.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Anyone want another one? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=7502280 816&rd=1 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Mar 28 22:01:22 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:01:22 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Fat Bastard References: <20050328.211705.1472.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <003d01c53424$bfab2aa0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Jeeez, Ron would you suggest that Arnie is that very very rich.... John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Anyone want another one? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=7502280 > 816&rd=1 > Ron Haskell > > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Mar 28 22:32:45 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:32:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Gas Engines and Steam Tractors In-Reply-To: <4245DC13.6030907@steamengine.com.au> References: <001401c53216$416a9320$18cd940c@mcness.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050326105036.0f090a70@mail.alltel.net> <4245DC13.6030907@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050329012937.0f39c848@mail.alltel.net> At 05:02 PM 3/26/2005, you wrote: >Laugh away Dave, > Where do you think your electricity comes from? >Paul It comes out of the little outlet on the wall. Where the hell does it come from where you live? Dave PS, We also have indoor plumbing up here. Sorry about what you have down there! From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 28 22:52:00 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:52:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Gas Engines and Steam Tractors References: <001401c53216$416a9320$18cd940c@mcness.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050326105036.0f090a70@mail.alltel.net><4245DC13.6030907@steamengine.com.au> <6.1.2.0.0.20050329012937.0f39c848@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <004701c5342d$6dcc37c0$0301a8c0@Reg> Dave, you never fail to amaze and amuse me with your replies!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Gas Engines and Steam Tractors > At 05:02 PM 3/26/2005, you wrote: > >Laugh away Dave, > > Where do you think your electricity comes from? > >Paul > > It comes out of the little outlet on the wall. Where the hell does it come > from where you live? > Dave > PS, We also have indoor plumbing up here. Sorry about what you have down there! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 23:27:48 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:27:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ping: Tony Kimmell Message-ID: <6f602516050328232758509324@mail.gmail.com> Tony: Could you contact Peter Lowe regarding the out of date info on your R&V registration page please? Peter's email address is: plowe at ceinternet.com.au Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 23:36:03 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:36:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT - expansion of metals in oil pumps In-Reply-To: <200503290047.j2T0lE78033662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050328121725.0276a9f8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> <200503290047.j2T0lE78033662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050328233624678d30@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:46:44 -0600, Bill Dickerson wrote: > > For the engineers - rob, etc. > > Engine oil pump - automotive gear type. Gears are steel (or some sort of > steel product) housing is aluminum - timing chain cover with pump body in > the timing cover. > The gear to housing end clearance is supposed to be VERY close to get the > pump to put out good pressure. > A lot of folks say this is a weak design - that the aluminum will expand > more and open clearances between the gears and the housing. > They claim the fix is to use aluminum gears in the alum housing so they > expand at the same rate, meaning a more accurate and tight pump, longer > life, higher pressure, etc. > > Thoughts? > > Bill Ali will hold metal parts in the gear teeth surface, causing accelerated wear, while hardened steel gears won't. It's a wear thing more than anything else, and as has already been pointed out, you pump much more oil than you actually need so there is an allowance for wear and tear. I'd guess that if you had something very exotic like Titanium which work hardens then it might be a starter, but I'd stay with steel gears myself. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 23:47:45 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:47:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me In-Reply-To: <012301c533e7$6854b150$230110ac@PAUL> References: <012301c533e7$6854b150$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6f6025160503282347721b855c@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:42:19 -0600, Paul Maples wrote: > My Sister purchased a Gateway Desktop computer a couple of years ago, it had windows ME on it so this will give you an idea of it's age. Anyway she got on the internet with no virus protection and the next thing I know she is calling me and telling me that her computer will not do anything. I told her to do a system recovery on it but she knows little to nothing about computers and said she could not get it to do a system recovery. I later learned she had put the wrong recovery disk in first, she had put the one in that had all of the drivers on it and not the Operating Systems. By the time I got it someone else had installed Windows XP on it, it only has 64 Meg of Ram on it which is not enough to run XP efficiently. Also with Windows XP in it now it is not recognizing the CD drive. > > Anyway I am trying to get Windows XP off of it so I can put the original Recovery Disks in it and try and do a system recovery but I don't know how to dump the Windows XP operating System so I can start over, can someone tell me what I need to do. > > Thanks, > > Paul You'll need to make up a boot floppy disk for Windows ME (on another machine) then boot from that and start ME installation. That should give you the option to replce the XP installation. The other alternative is to format the drive and wipe it clean then do a clean install. We have always had a DOS installation on all our machines to give us the option of starting up in either Win2kPro or DOS (only Win2kPro or XP allows this dual-boot BTW IIRC) so that we can use the CD drive under DOS to do installation changes or whatever. Always worth remembering. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Mar 29 00:58:10 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:58:10 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT....the skill of a surgeon References: <000901c53402$271454f0$d3b43dca@ogborneuah38i3> <78ecd617458991b6fc35c9cd5f03eb46@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <000f01c5343d$73b0e770$92b73dca@ogborneuah38i3> John ,the consequences were freakish and not common but there have been several deaths from the same sort of activity. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT....the skill of a surgeon > Yeah, I read about that. Pretty awesome! > > That was a real freak accident! > > John > > On Mar 28, 2005, at 8:53 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > >> I have always admired the skill of a surgeon even though some can be >> arrogant and up themselves. There was a horrific accident here in Perth >> over the Easter weekend ,a10 year old boy had three limbs severed, two >> hands and a foot. This happened when a basket ball hoop came down >> bringing the brick wall and metal gutter and facia with it . I believe >> what is termed a ''Slam Dunk'' was being performed . >> Our major hospital immediately went into action . All three limbs have >> been re attached, so far with success. >> A commendable effort! >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Mar 29 01:12:29 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:12:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money References: <3rr9ri$q266rt@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net><002601c5320d$b1454e00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><009101c5324a$fbff2be0$0301a8c0@Reg> <004d01c53252$3f463540$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <013001c53440$48c74f60$0301a8c0@Reg> How much would a box of then cost? I would LOVE to donate a set to my mechanic mate. His Xmas present!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money > > Ha! I love it!!! > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > > I keep some of these on the counter . > > > http://www.creativedice.com/images/OpenBox-orderpg.jpg > > I need to put them on the web I guess , > the only guys that have bought them were techs . > Monday there was a 16 YO with a 20YO BMW got washed up here > I had him remove the water pump before I would sell him one > because it " wouldnt pump" It was in fine shape . > I handed him the blue die (cooling system) > he rolled -radiator- and looked at me all wide eyed > ( I had just told him the radiator was plugged up about 16 times) > and he says ........... " REALLY ?!?!?!? "" > > "only if you get the same thing twice , roll again" > > > Chuck > > Ps > I still cant believe Charlie had to unsubscribe for a little thing like this > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Mar 29 01:41:33 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:41:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Gas Engines and Steam Tractors In-Reply-To: <004701c5342d$6dcc37c0$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <001401c53216$416a9320$18cd940c@mcness.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050326105036.0f090a70@mail.alltel.net><4245DC13.6030907@steamengine.com.au> <6.1.2.0.0.20050329012937.0f39c848@mail.alltel.net> <004701c5342d$6dcc37c0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <424922CD.9010701@steamengine.com.au> I do have to pay that one... :) Out smart arsed by the king of smart arses - I can live with that... Paul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 4:32 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Gas Engines and Steam Tractors > > > >>At 05:02 PM 3/26/2005, you wrote: >> >>>Laugh away Dave, >>> Where do you think your electricity comes from? >>>Paul >> >>It comes out of the little outlet on the wall. Where the hell does it come >>from where you live? >> Dave >>PS, We also have indoor plumbing up here. Sorry about what you have down > > there! > >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 27/03/2005 From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Mar 29 01:43:08 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:43:08 +1000 Subject: Was Re: [SEL] Quirky exhibits - Now What is a dunny In-Reply-To: <013d01c533e9$90f99740$230110ac@PAUL> References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> <4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au> <013d01c533e9$90f99740$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <4249232C.1020200@steamengine.com.au> A dunny is a slang word for toilet. Paul Paul Maples wrote: > Paul I will play...........what is a dunny seat? > > Paul > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 27/03/2005 From nick at holden1.net Tue Mar 29 01:43:44 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:43:44 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Lister Kibiling mill Message-ID: <42492350.000003.02992@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi some photos of my lister mill i have just finished oiling with raw linseed oil have any of you seen one like this ? i have not been able to get any info on it at all nick Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4284455&a=31700683 From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Mar 29 02:08:36 2005 From: russell at ncable.com.au (the gourmet chef) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:08:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050329200519.00b21be0@mail.ncable.com.au> G'day all, just wondering if Curt Holland was the only person at the national with a camera???? Surely there must be a few more pics kicking about that the unlucky ones could view! Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Mar 29 04:11:03 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:11:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Lister paint colours overseas Message-ID: <6f602516050329041122676b61@mail.gmail.com> I receive many requests both from List members and from others about the correct Lister paint colour. The actual reference is: BS381C Shade 226 Mid Brunswick Green. In the UK, there is a Dupont paint reference 47617, but this does not translate into any other Dupont region, ie: you can't go to Dupont in California and throw that number at them and get this colour. I have just renewed my acquaintaince with the guy at Dupont UK who has confirmed that we cannot use the UK reference in the USA etc. The BS reference system is recognised by paint makers worldwide and they 'should' be able to mix to that colour reference. I will also bring over with me this year a few paint swatche samples to leave with guys to get colour matches with, this will help matters I hope. I have to get these made up and painted, but hope to be able to bring some to Tulare and to Portland. Same applies to epoxy powder, we can get powder made to colour, but have to buy 100kgs minimum order, nobody carries the colour on the shelf (25kg boxes) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Mar 29 04:51:22 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:51:22 EST Subject: [SEL] Show pictures Message-ID: <59.2468202e.2f7aa94a@aol.com> In a message dated 3/27/2005 5:11:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: << Just finished getting the pictures up from our annual indoor show complete with fences. >> Jeff, Thanks for the mall pictures. Our club used to show in the mall too, but the insurance costs just got to prohibited. The mall would not provide it. It was a nice late winter place to show our stuff. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Mar 29 04:54:58 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:54:58 EST Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale Message-ID: <92.23b70ec1.2f7aaa22@aol.com> In a message dated 3/27/2005 12:19:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: << Hi Tom, Art did not ask about shows in Ireland. He asked about shows in June. >> Sorry Dave, I just glanced at his message and read into it he was looking for shows in Ireland. I should not have questioned your infinite wisdom! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Mar 29 05:29:24 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:29:24 +0100 Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale In-Reply-To: <92.23b70ec1.2f7aaa22@aol.com> References: <92.23b70ec1.2f7aaa22@aol.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050329052968df7921@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:54:58 EST, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/27/2005 12:19:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rotigel at alltel.net writes: > > << Hi Tom, Art did not ask about shows in Ireland. He asked about shows in > June. >> > > Sorry Dave, I just glanced at his message and read into it he was looking for > shows in Ireland. I should not have questioned your infinite wisdom! > > Tom Schmutz That's how most of us read it too, Tom, you're not alone...:-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Mar 29 05:36:47 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 05:36:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits In-Reply-To: References: <001901c53390$277da4e0$f0d03dca@ogborneuah38i3><4247F83A.9070001@steamengine.com.au> <013d01c533e9$90f99740$230110ac@PAUL> <000f01c53402$a16aff10$d3b43dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <2117.165.206.180.102.1112103407.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Mike Bowlin is not longer on list - so I'll list his quirky exhibit - A sheep, about 18" or so tall, with wool and all, had a windscreen washer nozzle I believe it was, for a mouth. A small hose ran back to a bucket of water and a windscreen washer pump. Mike had a remote button he pushed from his lawnchair to run the pump. There was a sign that said "BAD SHEEP" or something like that. If folks got too close, the sheep spit on them. Got a lot of laughs until the Iowa State Fair folks got all over him for causing a dangerous situation when one old fart nearly stumbled while backing away. I used to display my mudpump working - pumping water through a large barrel. When it was in suction mode I'd encourage the kids to put their hands over the outlet end to make it work. Of course when the diaphram went into the downstroke, they got SOAKED royally. That was like a 3.5" pipe pumping a full stream. > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 29 05:51:09 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:51:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Tony Kimmell, Where Are You? Message-ID: Pete, Now that you have broadband, you REALLY need to sign up on the SEL again. See ya, Arnie ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Peter Lowe [mailto:plowe at exemail.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 6:03 AM Is Tony Kimmell on ATIS List ??? could you find out for me please. From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Mar 29 05:56:11 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 05:56:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT - expansion of metals in oil pumps In-Reply-To: <200503290154.j2T1sPdC049809@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200503290047.j2T0lE78033662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <200503290154.j2T1sPdC049809@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <2132.165.206.180.102.1112104571.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Thanks, so for 350 horsepower I'd need 3 times 350 drops of oil per minute or 1050 drops per minute. How many drops in a quart? >> For the engineers - rob, etc. >> >>Engine oil pump - automotive gear type. Gears are steel (or >>some sort of steel product) housing is aluminum - timing >>chain cover with pump body in the timing cover. The gear >>to housing end clearance is supposed to be VERY close to >>get the pump to put out good pressure. A lot of folks say >>this is a weak design - that the aluminum will expand more >>and open clearances between the gears and the housing. >>They claim the fix is to use aluminum gears in the alum >>housing so they expand at the same rate, meaning a more >>accurate and tight pump, longer life, higher pressure, etc. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Bill > > > > Under full load, about three drops per minute per horsepower. > > Rob > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 29 06:04:09 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:04:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Fat Bastard In-Reply-To: <003d01c53424$bfab2aa0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <20050328.211705.1472.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> <003d01c53424$bfab2aa0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: But John, that one has a REAL Crossley oiler!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, John Hammink wrote: > Jeeez, Ron would you suggest that Arnie is > that very very rich.... > > > Anyone want another one? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=7502280816 > > Ron Haskell From George_Best at adp.com Tue Mar 29 07:41:54 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:41:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Want to go to Tulare? Message-ID: <1D4B175262868848AADB0A6D1B4928EF1FF1E2@lexus.plaza.ds.adp.com> The guy that was going to go to Tulare with me called last night and cancelled. So I'm looking for someone from the NW who would be interested in going with me and sharing a room. I'll be leaving either Thursday or very very early on Friday to drive down to Tulare (800 miles). Depending on what time I head south will determine on whether I stop to visit some collections on my way south. I'll head back north after the tractor pull on Sunday afternoon and spend the night in northern CA if possible. Plan on returning to the Portland (OR) area during the day on Monday. Whether I find someone to go along and share fuel expense or not, I will be going. WAIT George From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 29 07:58:53 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:58:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] The Importance of Goats Message-ID: Hiya Folks, Since we have a number of "newbies" on the list these days and since Charlie Bryant is now back "among us" after having a tune-up, valve job, and new buzz coil installed, I think its time to refresh people's memories on the Importance of Goats in the engine world. This should also help you understand whats going on if you see your engine mates putting bloody handprints on their engine. http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/sacrifice.htm Enjoy!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Mar 29 08:00:18 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:00:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fat Bastard In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Arnie, That Crossley is the one I decided NOT to buy last year because of problems. I think it has changed hands at least three times since Bill sold it! How these things get around! Steve >From: Arnie Fero >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Fat Bastard >Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:04:09 -0500 (EST) > >But John, that one has a REAL Crossley oiler!! 8-)) > >See ya, Arnie > >On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, John Hammink wrote: > > > Jeeez, Ron would you suggest that Arnie is > > that very very rich.... > > > > > Anyone want another one? >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=7502280816 > > > Ron Haskell >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 29 08:11:06 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:11:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - expansion of metals in oil pumps References: <200503290047.j2T0lE78033662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <00b801c53479$e9f100a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > A lot of folks say this is a weak design - that the aluminum will expand > more and open clearances between the gears and the housing. > They claim the fix is to use aluminum gears in the alum housing so they > expand at the same rate, meaning a more accurate and tight pump, longer > life, higher pressure, etc. IOW in 101 years of developement they havent tried that yet ? What I see over and over is aluminum thrust surfaces (ie oil filter adapters plate ) with a figure 8 shaped notch . The gears burrow downward and allow some oil to bypassover the top of the gears . Had an iron sb chevy pump in my hands this AM with same wear . You could rattle the gears around a bit like a morracca . Barring no oil changes and excess dirt and scotchbrite silica additives the aluminum stuff still lasts a long ass time . havent seen an al gear though Drops per gallon.. Id google some fiberglass hardener links From curt at imc-group.com Tue Mar 29 09:12:13 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:12:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - expansion of metals in oil pumps In-Reply-To: <200503290047.j2T0lE78033662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200503290047.j2T0lE78033662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <42498C6D.4070709@imc-group.com> Bill, A bit of quick math will shed some light on the question I think you are asking. Assume you have to design an oil pump that will operate at -50F up to the operating temp of the engine, say 250F. That is a Delta T of 300F. Cof. of expansion for steel is .00000633 Cof. of expansion for alum is .00001244 Most pumps I've seen are about 1" long, but to amplify the problem of expansion a little lets assume the rotor is a long rotor of 1 1/2". Change in length of the steel rotors: .00000633(300F)*1.5" = .00284 Change in length of the alum housing: .00001244(300F)*1.5" = .00554 Subtract the two and the difference is .00275 If you build the pump for a clearance of a few tenths at -50 you will only have a couple of thou clearance at operating temp. Don't think this is really a problem in terms of the leakage thru this gap. Especially considering that this clearance will be split between both ends. That would be .0015 each end. Just my .002 cents worth. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Bill Dickerson wrote: > >For the engineers - rob, etc. > >Engine oil pump - automotive gear type. Gears are steel (or some sort of >steel product) housing is aluminum - timing chain cover with pump body in >the timing cover. >The gear to housing end clearance is supposed to be VERY close to get the >pump to put out good pressure. >A lot of folks say this is a weak design - that the aluminum will expand >more and open clearances between the gears and the housing. >They claim the fix is to use aluminum gears in the alum housing so they >expand at the same rate, meaning a more accurate and tight pump, longer >life, higher pressure, etc. > >Thoughts? > >Bill > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Tue Mar 29 09:19:48 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:19:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - expansion of metals in oil pumps References: <200503290047.j2T0lE78033662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <200503290154.j2T1sPdC049809@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <2132.165.206.180.102.1112104571.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <003d01c53483$83370b70$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Get the pump from a Jeep Cherokee with a 401 engine . I beieve it is made of iron/Any how , it's supposed to fix your problem. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:56 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] OT - expansion of metals in oil pumps > Thanks, so for 350 horsepower I'd need 3 times 350 drops of oil per minute > or 1050 drops per minute. > How many drops in a quart? > >>> For the engineers - rob, etc. >>> >>>Engine oil pump - automotive gear type. Gears are steel (or >>>some sort of steel product) housing is aluminum - timing >>>chain cover with pump body in the timing cover. The gear >>>to housing end clearance is supposed to be VERY close to >>>get the pump to put out good pressure. A lot of folks say >>>this is a weak design - that the aluminum will expand more >>>and open clearances between the gears and the housing. >>>They claim the fix is to use aluminum gears in the alum >>>housing so they expand at the same rate, meaning a more >>>accurate and tight pump, longer life, higher pressure, etc. >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> Bill >> >> >> >> Under full load, about three drops per minute per horsepower. >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 3/27/2005 > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Mar 29 10:52:15 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:52:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT - expansion of metals in oil pumps In-Reply-To: <42498C6D.4070709@imc-group.com> References: <200503290047.j2T0lE78033662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <42498C6D.4070709@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160503291052386e6ed4@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:12:13 -0500, Curt wrote: > Bill, > A bit of quick math will shed some light on the question I think you are > asking. > Assume you have to design an oil pump that will operate at -50F up to > the operating temp of the engine, say 250F. > That is a Delta T of 300F. > Cof. of expansion for steel is .00000633 > Cof. of expansion for alum is .00001244 > > Most pumps I've seen are about 1" long, but to amplify the problem of > expansion a little lets assume the rotor is a long rotor of 1 1/2". > > Change in length of the steel rotors: .00000633(300F)*1.5" = .00284 > Change in length of the alum housing: .00001244(300F)*1.5" = .00554 > > Subtract the two and the difference is .00275 > > If you build the pump for a clearance of a few tenths at -50 you will > only have a couple of thou clearance at operating temp. Don't think this > is really a problem in terms of the leakage thru this gap. Especially > considering that this clearance will be split between both ends. That > would be .0015 each end. > > Just my .002 cents worth. > Curt Holland Here's another 2/100th of a dollar's worth: If the Ali is Lo-ex or similar, then the expansion rate difference becomes vanishingly small, so my money is definitely on the wear rate being a significant factor. A lot of companies used Hoborn-Eaton concentric rotor pumps over here, especially the Mini and that range of engines. They used an Ali housing with steel rotors. Concentric rotor pumps use a rotating driven inner and a rotating driven outer, having a tooth form of contact but with unequal numbers of teeth to keep wear down. Bit like a very simplified Wankel in fact... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From art at etsnj.com Tue Mar 29 14:13:48 2005 From: art at etsnj.com (Art Oswald) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:13:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] shows in Ireland in June In-Reply-To: <6f602516050329052968df7921@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001501c534ac$9a2da8b0$1202a8c0@artb0y712ywxp8> I was asking about shows in Ireland, in June. Sorry for the confusion. Art Oswald -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:29 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] Re: Rushden Cavalcade & Real Ale On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:54:58 EST, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/27/2005 12:19:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rotigel at alltel.net writes: > > << Hi Tom, Art did not ask about shows in Ireland. He asked about shows in > June. >> > > Sorry Dave, I just glanced at his message and read into it he was looking for > shows in Ireland. I should not have questioned your infinite wisdom! > > Tom Schmutz That's how most of us read it too, Tom, you're not alone...:-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1847 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Mar 29 14:43:39 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:43:39 EST Subject: [SEL] shows in Ireland in June Message-ID: <145.42895042.2f7b341b@aol.com> In a message dated 3/29/2005 5:39:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, art at etsnj.com writes: << I was asking about shows in Ireland, in June. Sorry for the confusion. >> Art There really is no confusion except for Dave partaking of too much Easter Bunny schnapps and as usual trying to confuse the issue. Have a nice trip to Ireland! Would they have a website to look up festivals in the country? Just a thought. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Mar 29 04:04:56 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:04:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor crank offset. In-Reply-To: <42487345.2000100@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, Please take plenty of pictures of the fixture and process so you can share them. I know I would love to see them. Sorry I can't help with your question. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================== >From: Curt >On the Baker Monitor engines the centerline of the cylinder is offset from >the mains to reduce side forces on the piston on the power stroke. This is >well discussed and promoted in the original literature. For the purposes of >repouring the mains I need to know exactly how far off of cylinder >centerline the mains are. Does anyone happen to know? I am making a fixture >to hold the dummy shaft in just the correct position parallel to the >camshaft and parallel to the cylinder mounting flange. >Thanks, >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Mar 29 04:07:14 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:07:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fat Bastard In-Reply-To: <20050328.211705.1472.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: The engine isn't very far from me if someone wants to buy it I could probably pick it up and get it to Portland this fall. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ==================== >From: rdhaskell at juno.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Fat Bastard >Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:17:05 -0800 > >Anyone want another one? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=7502280 >816&rd=1 >Ron Haskell > >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Mar 29 04:01:36 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:01:36 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Babbit bearings & pitted shafts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Andy, You could always fix the crankshaft with JB Weld and use a dummy shaft the same size as the crankshaft to pour the bearing around. Luke Tonneberger Rockforrd, Michigan USA ======================= >From: "Andy Glines" > >I need to pour some new bearings and the shaft has some deep pits. My >original plan was to simply fill the pits with JB weld or Devcon and sand >flush with the existing shaft. The filler will have plenty of strength on >the shaft but I wonder how it will hold up to the heat of pouring the >bearing? Who has experience with this problem? From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 29 16:47:25 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:47:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050330004725.482.qmail@web31304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Reg, Here is a better link. http://www.creativedice.com/productinfo.html The cost is $16.95 and for me the shipping is $7.00. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- Reg Ingold wrote: > How much would a box of then cost? > I would LOVE to donate a set to my mechanic mate. > > His Xmas present!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 8:22 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money > > > > > Ha! I love it!!! > > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > > > > I keep some of these on the counter . > > > > http://www.creativedice.com/images/OpenBox-orderpg.jpg > > > > I need to put them on the web I guess , > > the only guys that have bought them were techs . > > Monday there was a 16 YO with a 20YO BMW got washed up here > > I had him remove the water pump before I would sell him one > > because it " wouldnt pump" It was in fine shape . > > I handed him the blue die (cooling system) > > he rolled -radiator- and looked at me all wide eyed > > ( I had just told him the radiator was plugged up about 16 times) > > and he says ........... " REALLY ?!?!?!? "" > > > > "only if you get the same thing twice , roll again" > > > > > > Chuck > > > > Ps > > I still cant believe Charlie had to unsubscribe for a little thing like > this > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Mar 29 17:00:12 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:00:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] shows in Ireland in June In-Reply-To: <145.42895042.2f7b341b@aol.com> References: <145.42895042.2f7b341b@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050329195741.0f3fdc40@mail.alltel.net> ><< I was asking about shows in Ireland, in June. > Sorry for the confusion. >> >Ar >There really is no confusion except for Dave partaking of too much Easter >Bunny schnapps and as usual trying to confuse the issue. >Tom Schmutz Hi Tom, What most LIBERALS do not understand is that words mean things! Dave From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Mar 29 17:24:55 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:24:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money In-Reply-To: <20050330004725.482.qmail@web31304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050330004725.482.qmail@web31304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4249FFE7.8000304@earthlink.net> Alan, Wish I could use em, but they don't cover transmission problems. :-) Still a lot of fun. Jeff Allen Alan Bowen wrote: >Hi Reg, >Here is a better link. > >http://www.creativedice.com/productinfo.html > >The cost is $16.95 and for me the shipping is $7.00. > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > > >--- Reg Ingold wrote: > > >>How much would a box of then cost? >>I would LOVE to donate a set to my mechanic mate. >> >>His Xmas present!! >>Reg & Marg Ingold. >>Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 8:22 AM >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Wasted Time-Wasted Money >> >> >> >> >>>>Ha! I love it!!! >>>>Reg & Marg Ingold. >>>> >>>> >>>>>I keep some of these on the counter . >>>>> http://www.creativedice.com/images/OpenBox-orderpg.jpg >>>>> >>>>> >>>I need to put them on the web I guess , >>>the only guys that have bought them were techs . >>>Monday there was a 16 YO with a 20YO BMW got washed up here >>>I had him remove the water pump before I would sell him one >>>because it " wouldnt pump" It was in fine shape . >>>I handed him the blue die (cooling system) >>>he rolled -radiator- and looked at me all wide eyed >>>( I had just told him the radiator was plugged up about 16 times) >>>and he says ........... " REALLY ?!?!?!? "" >>> >>>"only if you get the same thing twice , roll again" >>> >>> >>>Chuck >>> >>>Ps >>>I still cant believe Charlie had to unsubscribe for a little thing like >>> >>> >>this >> >> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Mar 29 07:42:36 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:42:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] latest BF Message-ID: Instead of using the expensive blueprint/layout ink when machining, why not use a Bingo Dauber? http://us-bingo.com/bingo-daubers.html Thot of this after Corky spilt the whole bottle of pro stuff. or "Jus Slap Me" RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Mar 29 05:20:51 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:20:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me References: <012301c533e7$6854b150$230110ac@PAUL> <6f6025160503282347721b855c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Howdy Paul; Being a past ME user for more than five years, I can tell you the best thing I did was switch to XP. ME was heartache and heartbreak every time I turned the darn thing on. Lockup's were probably the most common downfall. I would suggest she get more RAM if that's feasible and stick with XP. Word of caution tho, there are some programs I had that won't run on XP. later my friend RickinMt. Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me > On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:42:19 -0600, Paul Maples > wrote: > > My Sister purchased a Gateway Desktop computer a couple of years ago, it > > had windows ME on it so this will give you an idea of it's age. Anyway > > she got on the internet with no virus protection and the next thing I > > know she is calling me and telling me that her computer will not do > > anything. I told her to do a system recovery on it but she knows little > > to nothing about computers and said she could not get it to do a system > > recovery. I later learned she had put the wrong recovery disk in first, > > she had put the one in that had all of the drivers on it and not the > > Operating Systems. By the time I got it someone else had installed > > Windows XP on it, it only has 64 Meg of Ram on it which is not enough to > > run XP efficiently. Also with Windows XP in it now it is not recognizing > > the CD drive. > > > > Anyway I am trying to get Windows XP off of it so I can put the original > > Recovery Disks in it and try and do a system recovery but I don't know > > how to dump the Windows XP operating System so I can start over, can > > someone tell me what I need to do. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Paul > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 29 18:55:38 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:55:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me References: <012301c533e7$6854b150$230110ac@PAUL><6f6025160503282347721b855c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000a01c534d3$f706d0d0$230110ac@PAUL> I agree with you Rick on getting rid of ME. Thanks Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me > Howdy Paul; > Being a past ME user for more than five years, I can tell you the best > thing I did was switch to XP. ME was heartache and heartbreak every time > I turned the darn thing on. Lockup's were probably the most common > downfall. > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Mar 29 22:46:22 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:46:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me In-Reply-To: References: <012301c533e7$6854b150$230110ac@PAUL> <6f6025160503282347721b855c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050329224652a9022e@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:20:51 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy Paul; > Being a past ME user for more than five years, I can tell you the best > thing I did was switch to XP. ME was heartache and heartbreak every time I > turned the darn thing on. Lockup's were probably the most common downfall. > > I would suggest she get more RAM if that's feasible and stick with XP. > Word of caution tho, there are some programs I had that won't run on XP. > > later my friend > RickinMt. Go to Windows 2000 if possible, it has far fewer programme compatibility issues than XP. 128mb of Ram is fine, 256mb and more is better, but it will run on as little as 32mb. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From nick at holden1.net Tue Mar 29 23:41:47 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:41:47 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Fw: Re: SEL Kibiling Mill Message-ID: <424A583B.000001.01692@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> -------Original Message------- From: nick Date: 03/30/05 08:28:04 To: Paul Russell Subject: Re: SEL Kibiling Mill Hi Paul as i can get no information on it all i can call it is what the old farmer i got it from called it he told me his dad got it new so any suggestions as to when it was made or what it is really called will be good i think as their is only one roller and then you adjust in or out a plate to it then it just cracks the corn Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4284455&a=31700683 -------Original Message------- From: Paul Russell Date: 03/30/05 03:30:31 To: nick at holden1.net Subject: SEL Kibiling Mill Gotta ask as I ain't real smart, but what is a kibiling mill? Thought it was like a grist mill, but only one roller. Looks real good. Like the "original" looks more than the "refurfished" look. Thanks for your time. Paul Russell Riga, Michigan hit_n_miss at tc3net.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.5 - Release Date: 3/29/05 From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 30 00:44:33 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:44:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] carby Message-ID: Hi All, hoping someone can shed some light on this carby. It is a National Oil Gas Generator CO chi ILL which is cast into the side of the fuel bowl.The fuel bowl has a float in it and the main body has needle and seat there is also an air valve set up on one side .Where the fuel comes in past the needle it then goes up a chamber then comes out what looks like a burner of a barby.It is on a 6hp Armstrong i have just started to restore. Any imformation on this would be apprieciated. Dave in oz _________________________________________________________________ Credit card. Apply now. 60 sec response. Must be over 18. AU only: http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/clk;11046970;10638934;f?http://www.anz.com/aus/promo/first0105ninemsn/default.asp From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Mar 30 03:15:57 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:15:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Pouring Babbit Inserts. Message-ID: <000701c53519$dccb1b40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi All, Got a nice and helpfull article about pouring babbit inserts for IHC M engines on my web page, with many thanks to Tom Green from Minnesota for his approbation. It can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/babbitpouringMpage.htm Next time I need new bearing inserts I will try it myself, would be my first experience in babbit pouring. Enjoy the Write-up, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Mar 30 03:21:37 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:21:37 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The Importance of Goats Message-ID: <033020051121.7159.424A8BC1000D301100001BF721979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Well Arnie being of "old world" heritage I must comment on this report. Roast goat tastes very much like spring lamb if properly cooked. In the past have raised both animals and they have better flavor then beef steak. As for bring good luck to out engines running better after scrafice thats questionable.... Thats an old "witch craft" belief! Curt > Hiya Folks, > > Since we have a number of "newbies" on the list these days and since > Charlie Bryant is now back "among us" after having a tune-up, valve job, > and new buzz coil installed, I think its time to refresh people's memories > on the Importance of Goats in the engine world. This should also help you > understand whats going on if you see your engine mates putting bloody > handprints on their engine. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/sacrifice.htm > > Enjoy!! > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 30 05:55:13 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:55:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] The Importance of Goats In-Reply-To: <033020051121.7159.424A8BC1000D301100001BF721979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <033020051121.7159.424A8BC1000D301100001BF721979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, I vote for the "witchcraft." It works as well as prayer, but has the added benefit of allowing you to eat the sacrificial animals!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Well Arnie being of "old world" heritage I must comment on this report. Roast > goat tastes very much like spring lamb if properly cooked. In the past have > raised both animals and they have better flavor then beef steak. As for bring > good luck to out engines running better after scrafice thats questionable.... > Thats an old "witch craft" belief! > Curt > > > Since we have a number of "newbies" on the list these days and since > > Charlie Bryant is now back "among us" after having a tune-up, valve job, > > and new buzz coil installed, I think its time to refresh people's memories > > on the Importance of Goats in the engine world. This should also help you > > understand whats going on if you see your engine mates putting bloody > > handprints on their engine. > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/sacrifice.htm From jimjirik at earthlink.net Wed Mar 30 06:16:37 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:16:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me Message-ID: <410-220053330141637309@earthlink.net> I think his biggest issue is that the CD rom is not being recognized. You can go to a website called Driverzone.com and find the driver for the cdrom installed in the computer. Of course, that means you will have to open the computer to find the make/ model the cdrom drive. If you can't access the internet on that machine you can always download on a floppy or usb drive from another machine and then install on the problem machine. Hope this helps, Jim Jirik > [Original Message] > From: Richard Strobel > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 3/29/2005 8:34:32 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me > > Howdy Paul; > Being a past ME user for more than five years, I can tell you the best > thing I did was switch to XP. ME was heartache and heartbreak every time I > turned the darn thing on. Lockup's were probably the most common downfall. > > I would suggest she get more RAM if that's feasible and stick with XP. > Word of caution tho, there are some programs I had that won't run on XP. > > > later my friend > RickinMt. > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me > > > > On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:42:19 -0600, Paul Maples > > wrote: > > > My Sister purchased a Gateway Desktop computer a couple of years ago, it > > > had windows ME on it so this will give you an idea of it's age. Anyway > > > she got on the internet with no virus protection and the next thing I > > > know she is calling me and telling me that her computer will not do > > > anything. I told her to do a system recovery on it but she knows little > > > to nothing about computers and said she could not get it to do a system > > > recovery. I later learned she had put the wrong recovery disk in first, > > > she had put the one in that had all of the drivers on it and not the > > > Operating Systems. By the time I got it someone else had installed > > > Windows XP on it, it only has 64 Meg of Ram on it which is not enough to > > > run XP efficiently. Also with Windows XP in it now it is not recognizing > > > the CD drive. > > > > > > Anyway I am trying to get Windows XP off of it so I can put the original > > > Recovery Disks in it and try and do a system recovery but I don't know > > > how to dump the Windows XP operating System so I can start over, can > > > someone tell me what I need to do. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Mar 30 07:00:07 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:00:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] The Importance of Goats In-Reply-To: References: <033020051121.7159.424A8BC1000D301100001BF721979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <4770.165.206.180.102.1112194807.squirrel@antique-engines.com> >>As for bring good luck to out engines running better after scrafice thats questionable.... > Thats an old "witch craft" belief!<< Can that be proven? Bill > Hi Curt, > > I vote for the "witchcraft." It works as well as prayer, but has the > added benefit of allowing you to eat the sacrificial animals!! 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > >> Well Arnie being of "old world" heritage I must comment on this report. >> Roast >> goat tastes very much like spring lamb if properly cooked. In the past >> have >> raised both animals and they have better flavor then beef steak. As for >> bring >> good luck to out engines running better after scrafice thats >> questionable.... >> Thats an old "witch craft" belief! >> Curt >> >> > Since we have a number of "newbies" on the list these days and since >> > Charlie Bryant is now back "among us" after having a tune-up, valve >> job, >> > and new buzz coil installed, I think its time to refresh people's >> memories >> > on the Importance of Goats in the engine world. This should also help >> you >> > understand whats going on if you see your engine mates putting bloody >> > handprints on their engine. >> > >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/sacrifice.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Mar 30 07:04:39 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:04:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me In-Reply-To: <410-220053330141637309@earthlink.net> References: <410-220053330141637309@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4776.165.206.180.102.1112195079.squirrel@antique-engines.com> I'm shocked - I have yet to see a CD that XP didn't recognize. Cd's are so basic, and there are actually semi-universal drivers that XP uses if an exact model can't be determined. This will be interesting! You want AT LEAST 256K RAM for XP, 512K is better, 1 gig is best. If you wanna dump XP, you'll probably need to reformat the drive and start over with a clean OS install. Windows ME is the worst Windows since Windows 3.0 or Win95. It's prone to crashes and flakiness. I'd run Win98 before I'd run ME. Bill > I think his biggest issue is that the CD rom is not being recognized. You > can go to a website called Driverzone.com and find the driver for the > cdrom > installed in the computer. Of course, that means you will have to open > the > computer to find the make/ model the cdrom drive. If you can't access the > internet on that machine you can always download on a floppy or usb drive > from another machine and then install on the problem machine. > > Hope this helps, > Jim Jirik > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Richard Strobel >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 3/29/2005 8:34:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me >> >> Howdy Paul; >> Being a past ME user for more than five years, I can tell you the best >> thing I did was switch to XP. ME was heartache and heartbreak every >> time > I >> turned the darn thing on. Lockup's were probably the most common > downfall. >> >> I would suggest she get more RAM if that's feasible and stick with XP. >> Word of caution tho, there are some programs I had that won't run on XP. >> >> >> later my friend >> RickinMt. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me >> >> >> > On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:42:19 -0600, Paul Maples >> > wrote: >> > > My Sister purchased a Gateway Desktop computer a couple of years >> ago, > it >> > > had windows ME on it so this will give you an idea of it's age. > Anyway >> > > she got on the internet with no virus protection and the next thing >> I >> > > know she is calling me and telling me that her computer will not do >> > > anything. I told her to do a system recovery on it but she knows > little >> > > to nothing about computers and said she could not get it to do a > system >> > > recovery. I later learned she had put the wrong recovery disk in > first, >> > > she had put the one in that had all of the drivers on it and not the >> > > Operating Systems. By the time I got it someone else had installed >> > > Windows XP on it, it only has 64 Meg of Ram on it which is not >> enough > to >> > > run XP efficiently. Also with Windows XP in it now it is not > recognizing >> > > the CD drive. >> > > >> > > Anyway I am trying to get Windows XP off of it so I can put the > original >> > > Recovery Disks in it and try and do a system recovery but I don't > know >> > > how to dump the Windows XP operating System so I can start over, can >> > > someone tell me what I need to do. >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > >> > > Paul >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 07:19:29 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:19:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me In-Reply-To: <410-220053330141637309@earthlink.net> References: <410-220053330141637309@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160503300719346be882@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:16:37 -0600, Jim Jirik wrote: > I think his biggest issue is that the CD rom is not being recognized. You > can go to a website called Driverzone.com and find the driver for the cdrom > installed in the computer. Of course, that means you will have to open the > computer to find the make/ model the cdrom drive. If you can't access the > internet on that machine you can always download on a floppy or usb drive > from another machine and then install on the problem machine. > > Hope this helps, > Jim Jirik Hi Jim: If the CD drive is recognised in BIOS then the machine should boot from an install CD, regardless. Win2kPro and other OS's do this without external drivers so they can start on a new machine. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From falcon at telenet.net Wed Mar 30 09:47:49 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:47:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me References: <410-220053330141637309@earthlink.net> <4776.165.206.180.102.1112195079.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <001b01c53550$979e0aa0$501117d1@net.telenet.net> Some day I may figure out why everyone is so down on ME. I have it on about 6 machines and have NEVER had a problem with it. No crashes (that were not MY fault ) no problems with hardware. I know a LOT of people who have it and love it as well. I am still looking for a retail copy for another machine I have here (want to put it in the shop as a jukebox / manual source). ME seems to get kicked around a lot BUT if you look at the coding you find that it is 98SE with about 6 added features. The my pictures screensaver, thumbnail viewing of files, better driver support, better USB support, and larger HD support, plus it doesn't need tons of memory or high speed processors to run. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me > I'm shocked - I have yet to see a CD that XP didn't recognize. Cd's are so > basic, and there are actually semi-universal drivers that XP uses if an > exact model can't be determined. > This will be interesting! > > You want AT LEAST 256K RAM for XP, 512K is better, 1 gig is best. > > If you wanna dump XP, you'll probably need to reformat the drive and start > over with a clean OS install. > Windows ME is the worst Windows since Windows 3.0 or Win95. > It's prone to crashes and flakiness. > I'd run Win98 before I'd run ME. > > Bill From falcon at telenet.net Wed Mar 30 10:01:14 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:01:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Re: SEL Kibiling Mill References: <424A583B.000001.01692@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <002101c53552$777e8d60$501117d1@net.telenet.net> Could it be a kibbling mill? Like you use to make kibble (think dog / horse pellet style food) They use a roller to make the damp crushed ingredients into a long tootsie roll shaped rod, This is then dried and broken up into pieces. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:41 AM Subject: [SEL] Fw: Re: SEL Kibiling Mill -------Original Message------- From: nick Date: 03/30/05 08:28:04 To: Paul Russell Subject: Re: SEL Kibiling Mill Hi Paul as i can get no information on it all i can call it is what the old farmer i got it from called it he told me his dad got it new so any suggestions as to when it was made or what it is really called will be good i think as their is only one roller and then you adjust in or out a plate to it then it just cracks the corn Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4284455&a=31700683 -------Original Message------- From: Paul Russell Date: 03/30/05 03:30:31 To: nick at holden1.net Subject: SEL Kibiling Mill Gotta ask as I ain't real smart, but what is a kibiling mill? Thought it was like a grist mill, but only one roller. Looks real good. Like the "original" looks more than the "refurfished" look. Thanks for your time. Paul Russell Riga, Michigan hit_n_miss at tc3net.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.5 - Release Date: 3/29/05 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Mar 30 10:17:15 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:17:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me References: <410-220053330141637309@earthlink.net><4776.165.206.180.102.1112195079.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <001b01c53550$979e0aa0$501117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <001701c53554$cfe14860$2aa4f504@x8h7l9> I still use ME also. Changing operating systems is a pain in the but to learn. I also use the DOS once in while to do tasks windows can't do. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me > Some day I may figure out why everyone is so down on ME. I have it on > about 6 machines and have NEVER had a problem with it. No crashes (that > were not MY fault ) no problems with hardware. I know a LOT of people > who have it and love it as well. I am still looking for a retail copy > for another machine I have here (want to put it in the shop as a jukebox > / manual source). > > ME seems to get kicked around a lot BUT if you look at the coding you > find that it is 98SE with about 6 added features. The my pictures > screensaver, thumbnail viewing of files, better driver support, better > USB support, and larger HD support, plus it doesn't need tons of memory > or high speed processors to run. > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:04 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me > > > > I'm shocked - I have yet to see a CD that XP didn't recognize. Cd's > are so > > basic, and there are actually semi-universal drivers that XP uses if > an > > exact model can't be determined. > > This will be interesting! > > > > You want AT LEAST 256K RAM for XP, 512K is better, 1 gig is best. > > > > If you wanna dump XP, you'll probably need to reformat the drive and > start > > over with a clean OS install. > > Windows ME is the worst Windows since Windows 3.0 or Win95. > > It's prone to crashes and flakiness. > > I'd run Win98 before I'd run ME. > > > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 10:45:11 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:45:11 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me In-Reply-To: <001b01c53550$979e0aa0$501117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <410-220053330141637309@earthlink.net> <4776.165.206.180.102.1112195079.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <001b01c53550$979e0aa0$501117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605033010456f5a426c@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:47:49 -0500, Steve W. wrote: > Some day I may figure out why everyone is so down on ME. I have it on > about 6 machines and have NEVER had a problem with it. No crashes (that > were not MY fault ) no problems with hardware. I know a LOT of people > who have it and love it as well. I am still looking for a retail copy > for another machine I have here (want to put it in the shop as a jukebox > / manual source). > > ME seems to get kicked around a lot BUT if you look at the coding you > find that it is 98SE with about 6 added features. The my pictures > screensaver, thumbnail viewing of files, better driver support, better > USB support, and larger HD support, plus it doesn't need tons of memory > or high speed processors to run. > > Steve Williams I only ever used Win98 once, and while I had no problems with it, I was already an NT user and then upgraded to Win2kPro, so it never had a chance...... Win2kPro doesn't needs tons of memory, we have had it running in 32mb, and we once got NT3.51 to run on a 386 processor, but most of our machines are 450mhz 733mhz or 1ghz, nothing faster as we don't need it for anything. Memory is usually 256mb minimum, but we have 3 X 256mb cards on one machine that we use for graphics, and one machine that is purely backup for the others. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 30 12:46:11 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:46:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! Message-ID: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key from the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities these are the things I have tried: (1) Pre-soaked the Gib Key with Kroil Penetrating oil for a week to start with. (2) Tried driving the Gib Key in just a little more to loosen it - it did not move. (3) Tried driving the Flywheel in just a little to break the bond on the gib key - it did not move. (4) Used an original Gib Key Removal tool - succeeded in breaking off the tang on the Gib Key. (5) Welded a bolt onto the Gib Key and used a knocker to loosen it - it just broke the weld on the gib key - done this four times with no success. (6) Welded the knocker bolt onto the Gib Key one more time, heated the flywheel hub a little with a torch, tried knocker again and just broke the weld. (7) Tried welding a Hex Nut on top of the flywheel with one flat of the hex nut facing the flat side of the flywheel, trying to make a new tang on the Gib Key to use the Gib Key Puller with - broke weld. Here are some pictures: The first picture once again just shows the little 1-1/2HP Petter I am working on. The second picture shows the Gib Key status when I first started trying to get it out. Remaining pictures show the current state of the gib key - as you can see the gib key has about a 1/2 to 3/4" now broken off of it now. http://client.webshots.com/photo/309747100/309747100ygAQhr So now here in my dilemma. I have no machining capabilities, the key has some of it broken off now, whatever I try next needs to work as I am running out of gib key. I need someone to tell me what they think would be the method most successful for me to try next. Thanks everyone for the help, this gib key is about to put me in the insane house................I belong there anyway. Paul From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca Wed Mar 30 13:00:10 2005 From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:00:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050330210010.71449.qmail@web51406.mail.yahoo.com> Paul - the only way to get it out is to drill and tap then use the slide hammer as I advised last week. Use a small die grinder to clean up the end of the key so you can center punch the end of the key for drilling. It has to come out because it went in once. Just take your time and make sure you drill exactly in the center and drill parrallel to the shaft so you don't get into the shaft or flywheel. Larry Anger Paul Maples wrote: Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key from the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities these are the things I have tried: (1) Pre-soaked the Gib Key with Kroil Penetrating oil for a week to start with. (2) Tried driving the Gib Key in just a little more to loosen it - it did not move. (3) Tried driving the Flywheel in just a little to break the bond on the gib key - it did not move. (4) Used an original Gib Key Removal tool - succeeded in breaking off the tang on the Gib Key. (5) Welded a bolt onto the Gib Key and used a knocker to loosen it - it just broke the weld on the gib key - done this four times with no success. (6) Welded the knocker bolt onto the Gib Key one more time, heated the flywheel hub a little with a torch, tried knocker again and just broke the weld. (7) Tried welding a Hex Nut on top of the flywheel with one flat of the hex nut facing the flat side of the flywheel, trying to make a new tang on the Gib Key to use the Gib Key Puller with - broke weld. Here are some pictures: The first picture once again just shows the little 1-1/2HP Petter I am working on. The second picture shows the Gib Key status when I first started trying to get it out. Remaining pictures show the current state of the gib key - as you can see the gib key has about a 1/2 to 3/4" now broken off of it now. http://client.webshots.com/photo/309747100/309747100ygAQhr So now here in my dilemma. I have no machining capabilities, the key has some of it broken off now, whatever I try next needs to work as I am running out of gib key. I need someone to tell me what they think would be the method most successful for me to try next. Thanks everyone for the help, this gib key is about to put me in the insane house................I belong there anyway. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 13:28:03 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:28:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! In-Reply-To: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6f602516050330132874eaf9b@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:46:11 -0600, Paul Maples wrote: > Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key from the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities these are the things I have tried: Drill down the length of the key and collapse it into the hole. You'll need to be careful and use a good drill and a steady hand. Start off small and work up to just under the height/width of the key. A small punch can then be used to gently knock the sides into the hole. The key is probably quite hard/tough so don't expect a five-minute job. With care, it can be very successful, but if you rush it you'll damage the crankshaft of the flywheel hub. Almost as bad a fitting worktops against an uneven tiled wall !! :-( Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 30 13:35:02 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:35:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! In-Reply-To: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: Hi Paul, When you first asked this question, Curt Holland gave you the design of a drill fixture that would slip over the shaft and allow you to accurately drill the key to collapse it for easy removal. You chose to ignore that advice and instead tried a whole series of other "solutions", none of which have worked. Lets try again. MAKE CURT'S FIXTURE AND DRILL THE DAMN KEY. If you don't have the capability of making the fixture yourself, ask the list; maybe there is someone who would make it for you. Worst case? Spend a hundred dollars and have your friendly local machine shop make one for you. Otherwise, I can see you coming back to the list once a week asking for help that you'll just ignore until you reduce the engine to a pile of broken scrap. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Paul Maples wrote: > Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key > from the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities > these are the things I have tried: > So now here in my dilemma. I have no machining capabilities, the key > has some of it broken off now, whatever I try next needs to work as I am > running out of gib key. I need someone to tell me what they think would > be the method most successful for me to try next. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 30 13:36:11 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:36:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: I guess I'd drill, tap, screw in a grade 8 bolts and resort back to the slide hammer trick. This is supposed to be fun, Paul :-)) RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 1:46 PM Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key from the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities these are the things I have tried: (1) Pre-soaked the Gib Key with Kroil Penetrating oil for a week to start with. (2) Tried driving the Gib Key in just a little more to loosen it - it did not move. (3) Tried driving the Flywheel in just a little to break the bond on the gib key - it did not move. (4) Used an original Gib Key Removal tool - succeeded in breaking off the tang on the Gib Key. (5) Welded a bolt onto the Gib Key and used a knocker to loosen it - it just broke the weld on the gib key - done this four times with no success. (6) Welded the knocker bolt onto the Gib Key one more time, heated the flywheel hub a little with a torch, tried knocker again and just broke the weld. (7) Tried welding a Hex Nut on top of the flywheel with one flat of the hex nut facing the flat side of the flywheel, trying to make a new tang on the Gib Key to use the Gib Key Puller with - broke weld. Here are some pictures: The first picture once again just shows the little 1-1/2HP Petter I am working on. The second picture shows the Gib Key status when I first started trying to get it out. Remaining pictures show the current state of the gib key - as you can see the gib key has about a 1/2 to 3/4" now broken off of it now. http://client.webshots.com/photo/309747100/309747100ygAQhr So now here in my dilemma. I have no machining capabilities, the key has some of it broken off now, whatever I try next needs to work as I am running out of gib key. I need someone to tell me what they think would be the method most successful for me to try next. Thanks everyone for the help, this gib key is about to put me in the insane house................I belong there anyway. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 30 13:46:40 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:46:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <20050330210010.71449.qmail@web51406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What would you say, Larry...National fine tap? and keep going up in size if it strips out. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Anger" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > Paul - the only way to get it out is to drill and tap then use the slide > hammer as I advised last week. Use a small die grinder to clean up the end > of the key so you can center punch the end of the key for drilling. It has > to come out because it went in once. Just take your time and make sure you > drill exactly in the center and drill parrallel to the shaft so you don't > get into the shaft or flywheel. > > Larry Anger > > Paul Maples wrote: > Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key from > the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities these are > the things I have tried: > > (1) Pre-soaked the Gib Key with Kroil Penetrating oil for a week to start > with. > (2) Tried driving the Gib Key in just a little more to loosen it - it did > not move. > (3) Tried driving the Flywheel in just a little to break the bond on the > gib key - it did not move. > (4) Used an original Gib Key Removal tool - succeeded in breaking off the > tang on the Gib Key. > (5) Welded a bolt onto the Gib Key and used a knocker to loosen it - it > just broke the weld on the gib key - done this four times with no success. > (6) Welded the knocker bolt onto the Gib Key one more time, heated the > flywheel hub a little with a torch, tried knocker again and just broke the > weld. > (7) Tried welding a Hex Nut on top of the flywheel with one flat of the > hex nut facing the flat side of the flywheel, trying to make a new tang on > the Gib Key to use the Gib Key Puller with - broke weld. > > Here are some pictures: > > The first picture once again just shows the little 1-1/2HP Petter I am > working on. > The second picture shows the Gib Key status when I first started trying to > get it out. > Remaining pictures show the current state of the gib key - as you can see > the gib key has about a 1/2 to 3/4" now broken off of it now. > > > http://client.webshots.com/photo/309747100/309747100ygAQhr > > So now here in my dilemma. I have no machining capabilities, the key has > some of it broken off now, whatever I try next needs to work as I am > running out of gib key. I need someone to tell me what they think would be > the method most successful for me to try next. > > Thanks everyone for the help, this gib key is about to put me in the > insane house................I belong there anyway. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mmco at cox-internet.com Wed Mar 30 14:39:54 2005 From: mmco at cox-internet.com (MMCO) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:39:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! In-Reply-To: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <424B2ABA.9040203@cox-internet.com> Hey Paul ole buddy , it looks like your luck goes about the way mine did while trying to shove a limp noodle up a wildcats A-- . Now that is out of the way ,why not get you a GOOD center drill ( 1/8 ) inch and try to figure the center ( up and down) mark it , then using the center drill , drill a 1/8 inch hole , then go up in drill sizes until you get a hole large enough to tapp for a 1/4" fine thread bolt. Once you have that , using a slide hammer attached to the bolt , POP it out . After you have the hole center drilled , you may have to start the drilling at an angle and then as you drill in , start pulling the drill down to cut away the uneven broken piece . Better yet , load that thing up and come for a visit and I bet you a coke , if I can`t get it out , the worst that can happen is , having to sell it for JUNK IRON . P S The Maples forklift sure looks good on my shelf . Bo Hinch Paul Maples wrote: > Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key from the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities these are the things I have tried: From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Mar 30 14:42:45 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:42:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> <6f602516050330132874eaf9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002b01c53579$cc0c99e0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! Almost as bad a fitting worktops against an uneven tiled wall !! :-( Peter Now Peter, You are just a bit biased about that subject this week. 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Mar 30 14:48:38 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:48:38 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <20050330210010.71449.qmail@web51406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01c5357a$a12c6290$04b73dca@ogborneuah38i3> Having done this job a few times........make it your self or get some one to do it for you but use that drill guide that has been described. Drilling freehand is hopeless. If you proceed with the drill guide try and make it with a couple of drill sizes so that your first drill will act as a pilot. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > What would you say, Larry...National fine tap? and keep going up in size > if it strips out. > > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Anger" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:00 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > > >> Paul - the only way to get it out is to drill and tap then use the slide >> hammer as I advised last week. Use a small die grinder to clean up the >> end of the key so you can center punch the end of the key for drilling. >> It has to come out because it went in once. Just take your time and make >> sure you drill exactly in the center and drill parrallel to the shaft so >> you don't get into the shaft or flywheel. >> >> Larry Anger >> >> Paul Maples wrote: >> Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key >> from the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities >> these are the things I have tried: >> >> (1) Pre-soaked the Gib Key with Kroil Penetrating oil for a week to start >> with. >> (2) Tried driving the Gib Key in just a little more to loosen it - it did >> not move. >> (3) Tried driving the Flywheel in just a little to break the bond on the >> gib key - it did not move. >> (4) Used an original Gib Key Removal tool - succeeded in breaking off the >> tang on the Gib Key. >> (5) Welded a bolt onto the Gib Key and used a knocker to loosen it - it >> just broke the weld on the gib key - done this four times with no >> success. >> (6) Welded the knocker bolt onto the Gib Key one more time, heated the >> flywheel hub a little with a torch, tried knocker again and just broke >> the weld. >> (7) Tried welding a Hex Nut on top of the flywheel with one flat of the >> hex nut facing the flat side of the flywheel, trying to make a new tang >> on the Gib Key to use the Gib Key Puller with - broke weld. >> >> Here are some pictures: >> >> The first picture once again just shows the little 1-1/2HP Petter I am >> working on. >> The second picture shows the Gib Key status when I first started trying >> to get it out. >> Remaining pictures show the current state of the gib key - as you can see >> the gib key has about a 1/2 to 3/4" now broken off of it now. >> >> >> http://client.webshots.com/photo/309747100/309747100ygAQhr >> >> So now here in my dilemma. I have no machining capabilities, the key has >> some of it broken off now, whatever I try next needs to work as I am >> running out of gib key. I need someone to tell me what they think would >> be the method most successful for me to try next. >> >> Thanks everyone for the help, this gib key is about to put me in the >> insane house................I belong there anyway. >> >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 30 15:01:31 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:01:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <20050330210010.71449.qmail@web51406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d201c5357c$6c4c1730$230110ac@PAUL> I agree with you Larry, I am just very leery of doing this as I once drilled out a gib key on a IHC pulley and thought I was drilling dead center but the drill had ventured up through the pulley. Also as you can see the end of the key is probably 1/4" to 5/16" square but rapidly tapers down as it enters the flywheel not giving me much room to keep it in the center. I don't know how long the key is as the governor assembly is blocking my view of the back of the flywheel area. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Anger" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > Paul - the only way to get it out is to drill and tap then use the slide > hammer as I advised last week. Use a small die grinder to clean up the end > of the key so you can center punch the end of the key for drilling. It has > to come out because it went in once. Just take your time and make sure you > drill exactly in the center and drill parrallel to the shaft so you don't > get into the shaft or flywheel. > > Larry Anger > > Paul Maples wrote: > Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key from > the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities these are > the things I have tried: > > (1) Pre-soaked the Gib Key with Kroil Penetrating oil for a week to start > with. > (2) Tried driving the Gib Key in just a little more to loosen it - it did > not move. > (3) Tried driving the Flywheel in just a little to break the bond on the > gib key - it did not move. > (4) Used an original Gib Key Removal tool - succeeded in breaking off the > tang on the Gib Key. > ( From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 30 15:02:28 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:02:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> <6f602516050330132874eaf9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00d701c5357c$8dddfe40$230110ac@PAUL> Peter can you fly down and drill this booger out for me?? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:46:11 -0600, Paul Maples > wrote: >> Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key >> from the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities >> these are the things I have tried: > > Drill down the length of the key and collapse it into the hole. You'll > need to be careful and use a good drill and a steady hand. Start off > small and work up to just under the height/width of the key. A small > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 30 15:08:31 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:08:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <00e001c5357d$671942a0$230110ac@PAUL> Now Arnie don't get your blood pressure up as it might clog up your mixer and stop your engine. I did not ignore his advice, at the time I did not have enough keyway to mount a drill fixture in, now that it is broke off this will probably be a good idea. I don't have mills and the like, I do have a drill press and maybe I can make the drill fixture just using the drill press. As far as a couple of hundred dollars, if I had it I would go and get the machine shop to make it for me but being on limited funds I will have to do the best I can with what I have. Thanks for the comeback and advice, it is well taken. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > Hi Paul, > > When you first asked this question, Curt Holland gave you the design of a > drill fixture that would slip over the shaft and allow you to accurately > drill the key to collapse it for easy removal. You chose to ignore that > advice and instead tried a whole series of other "solutions", none of > which have worked. > > Lets try again. MAKE CURT'S FIXTURE AND DRILL THE DAMN KEY. > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 30 16:31:31 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:31:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Message-ID: <02bf01c53588$fe778fc0$230110ac@PAUL> Ok Guys I am going to the Industrial Supply house tomorrow and get a Grade 8 Fine Thread 1/4 bolt, a tap and the proper drill bit for the tap. I am going to get some 3/8 keystock and cut off about 3/4" of it and do my best to center drill the 3/4" piece to make a drill jig. I will place this in the 1/2" exposed keyway that I presently have and clamp it in place. I will then use the drill jig to drill a 1/8 hole in the end of the broken gib key and then use the proper drill size for the tap. I will try and drill in about a 1/2" and then tap it and screw in the 1/4" fine thread grade 8 bolt once I have welded it to the end of the shaft I am going to use for the knocker. I will then try and knock it out. I hope this works as this will be about all I can do with what I have to work with. I will let everyone know if I succeed or fail. I appreciate all of the feedback that each of you have given. Paul From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Mar 30 16:40:21 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:40:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! In-Reply-To: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <424B46F5.9090407@earthlink.net> Paul, Here it is one more time: http://frapa.us/Gib/Gib/Gib.html Requires a drill press, small peice of barstock or something similar, and a little work to make the jig. Use it to drill the keystock with a .125 bit. Clamp it in your keyway and drill the pilot hole. Drill bigger till your done. Hell you don't even need to buy the 8 inch bits like I needed. Ain't rocket science cause I did it first time out, and Gomer ain't too bright. Jeff Paul Maples wrote: >Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key from the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities these are the things I have tried: > >(1) Pre-soaked the Gib Key with Kroil Penetrating oil for a week to start with. >(2) Tried driving the Gib Key in just a little more to loosen it - it did not move. >(3) Tried driving the Flywheel in just a little to break the bond on the gib key - it did not move. >(4) Used an original Gib Key Removal tool - succeeded in breaking off the tang on the Gib Key. >(5) Welded a bolt onto the Gib Key and used a knocker to loosen it - it just broke the weld on the gib key - done this four times with no success. >(6) Welded the knocker bolt onto the Gib Key one more time, heated the flywheel hub a little with a torch, tried knocker again and just broke the weld. >(7) Tried welding a Hex Nut on top of the flywheel with one flat of the hex nut facing the flat side of the flywheel, trying to make a new tang on the Gib Key to use the Gib Key Puller with - broke weld. > >Here are some pictures: > >The first picture once again just shows the little 1-1/2HP Petter I am working on. >The second picture shows the Gib Key status when I first started trying to get it out. >Remaining pictures show the current state of the gib key - as you can see the gib key has about a 1/2 to 3/4" now broken off of it now. > > >http://client.webshots.com/photo/309747100/309747100ygAQhr > >So now here in my dilemma. I have no machining capabilities, the key has some of it broken off now, whatever I try next needs to work as I am running out of gib key. I need someone to tell me what they think would be the method most successful for me to try next. > >Thanks everyone for the help, this gib key is about to put me in the insane house................I belong there anyway. > >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Mar 30 16:44:37 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:44:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <046a01c5358a$d3e9c8c0$0301a8c0@Reg> When you manage to break the bolt off in the hole, you will wonder why you didnt drill it right through!! I suppose you can stuff it completely by breaking off a drill in the hole! Here is something to think on. THE FIRST TOUCH OF THE DRILL DECIDES IF THE JOB GETS TURNED TO SCRAP!!! So, make damn sure you do it ALL properly. There aint any shortcuts. If that drill starts off wrong, nothing you do will stop the drama developing. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > I guess I'd drill, tap, screw in a grade 8 bolts and resort back to the > slide hammer trick. > > This is supposed to be fun, Paul :-)) > > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "Stationary Engine List" > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 1:46 PM > Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > > > Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key from > the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities these are > the things I have tried: > > (1) Pre-soaked the Gib Key with Kroil Penetrating oil for a week to start > with. > (2) Tried driving the Gib Key in just a little more to loosen it - it did > not move. > (3) Tried driving the Flywheel in just a little to break the bond on the gib > key - it did not move. > (4) Used an original Gib Key Removal tool - succeeded in breaking off the > tang on the Gib Key. > (5) Welded a bolt onto the Gib Key and used a knocker to loosen it - it just > broke the weld on the gib key - done this four times with no success. > (6) Welded the knocker bolt onto the Gib Key one more time, heated the > flywheel hub a little with a torch, tried knocker again and just broke the > weld. > (7) Tried welding a Hex Nut on top of the flywheel with one flat of the hex > nut facing the flat side of the flywheel, trying to make a new tang on the > Gib Key to use the Gib Key Puller with - broke weld. > > Here are some pictures: > > The first picture once again just shows the little 1-1/2HP Petter I am > working on. > The second picture shows the Gib Key status when I first started trying to > get it out. > Remaining pictures show the current state of the gib key - as you can see > the gib key has about a 1/2 to 3/4" now broken off of it now. > > > http://client.webshots.com/photo/309747100/309747100ygAQhr > > So now here in my dilemma. I have no machining capabilities, the key has > some of it broken off now, whatever I try next needs to work as I am running > out of gib key. I need someone to tell me what they think would be the > method most successful for me to try next. > > Thanks everyone for the help, this gib key is about to put me in the insane > house................I belong there anyway. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From galoway4 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 30 17:00:32 2005 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:00:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <000a01c5358d$0bafab10$99a39b18@jake> Hello Paul: Arnie is right about what to do. Put ot in your truck and bring it down and I will drill it out for you. About 250 miles from you. Arthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:46 PM Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key from the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities these are the things I have tried: (1) Pre-soaked the Gib Key with Kroil Penetrating oil for a week to start with. (2) Tried driving the Gib Key in just a little more to loosen it - it did not move. (3) Tried driving the Flywheel in just a little to break the bond on the gib key - it did not move. (4) Used an original Gib Key Removal tool - succeeded in breaking off the tang on the Gib Key. (5) Welded a bolt onto the Gib Key and used a knocker to loosen it - it just broke the weld on the gib key - done this four times with no success. (6) Welded the knocker bolt onto the Gib Key one more time, heated the flywheel hub a little with a torch, tried knocker again and just broke the weld. (7) Tried welding a Hex Nut on top of the flywheel with one flat of the hex nut facing the flat side of the flywheel, trying to make a new tang on the Gib Key to use the Gib Key Puller with - broke weld. Here are some pictures: The first picture once again just shows the little 1-1/2HP Petter I am working on. The second picture shows the Gib Key status when I first started trying to get it out. Remaining pictures show the current state of the gib key - as you can see the gib key has about a 1/2 to 3/4" now broken off of it now. http://client.webshots.com/photo/309747100/309747100ygAQhr So now here in my dilemma. I have no machining capabilities, the key has some of it broken off now, whatever I try next needs to work as I am running out of gib key. I need someone to tell me what they think would be the method most successful for me to try next. Thanks everyone for the help, this gib key is about to put me in the insane house................I belong there anyway. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Mar 30 17:16:48 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:16:48 EST Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT Message-ID: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> Here is a question for all you automotive mechanics out there. I own a 1993 Honda Accord we bought new, now has 160,000 miles, been serviced only by the local Honda dealer with approximately 4000 miles between oil changes. So, that is 40 times the oil plug has been screwed in and out. We now use the car as a spare and only drive once in a while. About a year ago, the Honda dealer changed the oil and informed my wife she had to get a new oil pan as the oil plug threaded hole was worn out. They said they once before had to go to an oversize plug as the thread had previously worn and now since it was worn again the only recourse was to put a new oil pan on. They went on to tell my wife this was a common thing to occur and they would not guarantee the bolt to not leak oil without the new oil pan. So a year has gone by and I finally decided to pull the plug myself and see what was what. The first thing I found was the bolt had been cross threaded at some point messing both the bolt and pan threads. It was cross threaded so bad at some time that the pan was not level across the hole, but rather pulled out on one side. To correct the situation, I hammered the pan flat at the bolt hole and filed it a little to smooth it, went to the local Carquest parts house and bought an oversize bolt especially for a Honda and everything is now lovely! In my sixty-one years I have never heard of anyone wearing out an oil pan hole except from over tightening and stretching things or from cross threading. Remember, this bolt has only been removed and reinstalled about 40 times. I believe the Honda dealer screwed up and then wanted us to pay for their mistake. Would anyone know about the wearing of oil plug holes in Honda's? The bolt I took out is approximately 9/16 thread diameter. Would anyone know if this is the original size? We intend to have a frank discussion with the Honda dealer as we have bought a number of cars from them, owning two now, and had a lot of service done there. Thoughts anyone? Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 30 17:31:13 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:31:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> <000a01c5358d$0bafab10$99a39b18@jake> Message-ID: <02f201c53591$55f5a860$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks Arthur for the offer but with gasoline at $2.15 a gallon I am afraid I would go broke before I got there. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Buchanan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > Hello Paul: > Arnie is right about what to do. Put ot in your truck and bring it > down and I will drill it out for you. About 250 miles from you. > > Arthur > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "Stationary Engine List" > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:46 PM > Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > > > Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key from > the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities these are > the things I have tried: > > (1) Pre-soaked the Gib Key with Kroil Penetrating oil for a week to start > with. > (2) Tried driving the Gib Key in just a little more to loosen it - it did > not move. > (3) Tried driving the Flywheel in just a little to break the bond on the > gib key - it did not move. > (4) Used an original Gib Key Removal tool - succeeded in breaking off the > tang on the Gib Key. > (5) Welded a bolt onto the Gib Key and used a knocker to loosen it - it > just broke the weld on the gib key - done this four times with no success. > (6) Welded the knocker bolt onto the Gib Key one more time, heated the > flywheel hub a little with a torch, tried knocker again and just broke the > weld. > (7) Tried welding a Hex Nut on top of the flywheel with one flat of the > hex nut facing the flat side of the flywheel, trying to make a new tang on > the Gib Key to use the Gib Key Puller with - broke weld. > > Here are some pictures: > > The first picture once again just shows the little 1-1/2HP Petter I am > working on. > The second picture shows the Gib Key status when I first started trying to > get it out. > Remaining pictures show the current state of the gib key - as you can see > the gib key has about a 1/2 to 3/4" now broken off of it now. > > > http://client.webshots.com/photo/309747100/309747100ygAQhr > > So now here in my dilemma. I have no machining capabilities, the key has > some of it broken off now, whatever I try next needs to work as I am > running out of gib key. I need someone to tell me what they think would be > the method most successful for me to try next. > > Thanks everyone for the help, this gib key is about to put me in the > insane house................I belong there anyway. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Mar 30 17:36:14 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:36:14 EST Subject: [SEL] Pouring Babbit Inserts. Message-ID: <1a2.3083e19c.2f7cae0e@aol.com> In a message dated 3/30/2005 6:49:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, jg.hammink at quicknet.nl writes: << Got a nice and helpfull article about pouring babbit inserts for IHC M engines on my web page >> John, Thanks for posting the information on babbit pouring. The fellow made a nice write up and used simple jigs anyone could do. Its like to fellow told me one time as I was asking a lot of questions about pouring techniques: "what do you have to loose, if it doesn't work melt it down and try again"! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Mar 30 19:43:10 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:43:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> Message-ID: <200503310343.j2V3hgtt000981@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Have a nice calm matter-of-fact discussion with them just like you did here. Factual, cool, detailed, non-emotional. I've seen and fixed SO many stripped pans! I have no clue how your Honda pan is made, but here's what I've done - and how I add a drain plug to automatic transmissions: You remove all traces of their reinforcement area, clean and flatten it, and braze a nut inside the pan. You then screw in a fine-threaded bolt with a nylon gasket under the head. I add plugs to automatics by drilling a hole, brazing a half-height nut inside over the hole and use a fine-threaded bolt with a gasket. Instant drain for transmission pan. >> In my sixty-one years I have never heard of anyone wearing out an oil pan hole except from over tightening and stretching things or from cross threading. << You are 100% correct. I have no clue how many cars I've "serviced" over the years, hundreds for sure - never stripped an oil plug. I've sure seen my share of abused ones, however. Watch these fast-change places. The boss would have smacked me had I messed up a customer's oil pan - we'd have paid the repairs. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:17 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT Here is a question for all you automotive mechanics out there. I own a 1993 Honda Accord we bought new, now has 160,000 miles, been serviced only by the local Honda dealer with approximately 4000 miles between oil changes. So, that is 40 times the oil plug has been screwed in and out. We now use the car as a spare and only drive once in a while. About a year ago, the Honda dealer changed the oil and informed my wife she had to get a new oil pan as the oil plug threaded hole was worn out. They said they once before had to go to an oversize plug as the thread had previously worn and now since it was worn again the only recourse was to put a new oil pan on. They went on to tell my wife this was a common thing to occur and they would not guarantee the bolt to not leak oil without the new oil pan. So a year has gone by and I finally decided to pull the plug myself and see what was what. The first thing I found was the bolt had been cross threaded at some point messing both the bolt and pan threads. It was cross threaded so bad at some time that the pan was not level across the hole, but rather pulled out on one side. To correct the situation, I hammered the pan flat at the bolt hole and filed it a little to smooth it, went to the local Carquest parts house and bought an oversize bolt especially for a Honda and everything is now lovely! In my sixty-one years I have never heard of anyone wearing out an oil pan hole except from over tightening and stretching things or from cross threading. Remember, this bolt has only been removed and reinstalled about 40 times. I believe the Honda dealer screwed up and then wanted us to pay for their mistake. Would anyone know about the wearing of oil plug holes in Honda's? The bolt I took out is approximately 9/16 thread diameter. Would anyone know if this is the original size? We intend to have a frank discussion with the Honda dealer as we have bought a number of cars from them, owning two now, and had a lot of service done there. Thoughts anyone? Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Mar 30 20:14:46 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Vicki Page) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:14:46 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> Message-ID: <015701c535a8$2c451570$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Tom Never heard of wearing the plug holes in Honda's. We have owned a 1971 Honda Z (TV Window type- about 3 years) a 1974 Civic and had this for some 23/24 years, a 1980 Accord - this for 19 years and our sons' have onwed the same 1983 Prelude for the last nine years. In all that time, with regular services, we never had any trouble with plug holes. I think you are right the service man made a mistake and is hoping you will pick up the tab.. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:16 AM Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT > Here is a question for all you automotive mechanics out there. > > I own a 1993 Honda Accord we bought new, now has 160,000 miles, been serviced > only by the local Honda dealer with approximately 4000 miles between oil > changes. So, that is 40 times the oil plug has been screwed in and out. We now > use the car as a spare and only drive once in a while. > > About a year ago, the Honda dealer changed the oil and informed my wife she > had to get a new oil pan as the oil plug threaded hole was worn out. They said > they once before had to go to an oversize plug as the thread had previously > worn and now since it was worn again the only recourse was to put a new oil pan > on. They went on to tell my wife this was a common thing to occur and they > would not guarantee the bolt to not leak oil without the new oil pan. > > So a year has gone by and I finally decided to pull the plug myself and see > what was what. The first thing I found was the bolt had been cross threaded at > some point messing both the bolt and pan threads. It was cross threaded so > bad at some time that the pan was not level across the hole, but rather pulled > out on one side. To correct the situation, I hammered the pan flat at the > bolt hole and filed it a little to smooth it, went to the local Carquest parts > house and bought an oversize bolt especially for a Honda and everything is now > lovely! > > In my sixty-one years I have never heard of anyone wearing out an oil pan > hole except from over tightening and stretching things or from cross threading. > Remember, this bolt has only been removed and reinstalled about 40 times. I > believe the Honda dealer screwed up and then wanted us to pay for their > mistake. > > Would anyone know about the wearing of oil plug holes in Honda's? The bolt I > took out is approximately 9/16 thread diameter. Would anyone know if this is > the original size? We intend to have a frank discussion with the Honda > dealer as we have bought a number of cars from them, owning two now, and had a lot > of service done there. > > Thoughts anyone? > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 21:57:24 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:57:24 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605033021572ff0f0e9@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:16:48 EST, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Here is a question for all you automotive mechanics out there. > > I own a 1993 Honda Accord we bought new, now has 160,000 miles, been >serviced only by the local Honda dealer with approximately 4000 miles between oil > changes. So, that is 40 times the oil plug has been screwed in and out. We >now use the car as a spare and only drive once in a while. That seems an awfully short period between oil changes, Tom. Our old Isuzu diesel van used to have 4000 mile changes, about once a month, but most other things we have had since are 12,000 miles or 20,000 miles between changes, and they are diesels. If yours is a petrol engine then I would have expected a much longer period than 4000 miles. Is that in the service book? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 22:02:19 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:02:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! In-Reply-To: <02f201c53591$55f5a860$230110ac@PAUL> References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> <000a01c5358d$0bafab10$99a39b18@jake> <02f201c53591$55f5a860$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6f602516050330220277fbd98d@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:31:13 -0600, Paul Maples wrote: > Thanks Arthur for the offer but with gasoline at $2.15 a gallon I am afraid > I would go broke before I got there. > > Paul You should try it at $US 7.00 to the gallon! you guys get gas sooooo cheap over there, you don't know how well off you are! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 22:04:45 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:04:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! In-Reply-To: <046a01c5358a$d3e9c8c0$0301a8c0@Reg> References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> <046a01c5358a$d3e9c8c0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <6f6025160503302204e399784@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:44:37 +1000, Reg Ingold wrote: > When you manage to break the bolt off in the hole, you will wonder why you > didnt drill it right through!! I think the slide hammer option can work, but I'd go for a coarse thread rather than fine, and the largest size I could get into the end of the key. > I suppose you can stuff it completely by breaking off a drill in the hole! Interesting job, getting a Petter M onto a spark eroding machine.... > Here is something to think on. > THE FIRST TOUCH OF THE DRILL DECIDES IF THE JOB GETS TURNED TO SCRAP!!! > So, make damn sure you do it ALL properly. There aint any shortcuts. If that > drill starts off wrong, nothing you do will stop the drama developing. That's right, take as much time and care as needed. > Reg & Marg Ingold. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 22:08:08 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:08:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key In-Reply-To: <02bf01c53588$fe778fc0$230110ac@PAUL> References: <02bf01c53588$fe778fc0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6f6025160503302208491869bd@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:31:31 -0600, Paul Maples wrote: > Ok Guys I am going to the Industrial Supply house tomorrow and get a Grade 8 Fine Thread 1/4 bolt, a tap and the proper drill bit for the tap. I am going to get some 3/8 keystock and cut off about 3/4" of it and do my best to center drill the 3/4" piece to make a drill jig. I will place this in the 1/2" exposed keyway that I presently have and clamp it in place. I will then use the drill jig to drill a 1/8 hole in the end of the broken gib key and then use the proper drill size for the tap. I will try and drill in about a 1/2" and then tap it and screw in the 1/4" fine thread grade 8 bolt once I have welded it to the end of the shaft I am going to use for the knocker. I will then try and knock it out. > > I hope this works as this will be about all I can do with what I have to work with. I will let everyone know if I succeed or fail. > > I appreciate all of the feedback that each of you have given. > > Paul I'd check the thread depth on fine and coarse and choose the deeper of the two threads. less chance of the thread pulling out. You'll need a taper tap to start it off and a No2 tap and finishing tap as well, it's a tough piece of metal in there, you won't be able to get it tapped with a No2 or finishing tap alone. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Mar 31 00:25:03 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:25:03 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL><046a01c5358a$d3e9c8c0$0301a8c0@Reg> <6f6025160503302204e399784@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <030001c535cb$2308ce20$0201010a@Portable> I have a portable spark eroder so if the worst happens I'll come and get it out for the cost of the plane ticket :D Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:44:37 +1000, Reg Ingold > wrote: >> When you manage to break the bolt off in the hole, you will wonder why >> you >> didnt drill it right through!! > > I think the slide hammer option can work, but I'd go for a coarse > thread rather than fine, and the largest size I could get into the end > of the key. > >> I suppose you can stuff it completely by breaking off a drill in the >> hole! > > Interesting job, getting a Petter M onto a spark eroding machine.... > >> Here is something to think on. >> THE FIRST TOUCH OF THE DRILL DECIDES IF THE JOB GETS TURNED TO SCRAP!!! >> So, make damn sure you do it ALL properly. There aint any shortcuts. If >> that >> drill starts off wrong, nothing you do will stop the drama developing. > > That's right, take as much time and care as needed. > >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Mar 31 10:30:58 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:30:58 Subject: [SEL] Quirky exhibits Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050331103058.009c0f28@127.0.0.1> Hi All Justin Ludewig in South Africa has a small McCormick Deering with a Myers pump directly coupled to it. This pump has been modified into a compressor (using an Aspera head). This "compressor" pumps up a modified motor car shock absorber which is mounted inside a Gorilla (steel frame, springs, one of Justin's old dustcoats, polystyrene head with bloodshot eyes behind a Gorilla mask and a few other things). Depending on the pressure build up the Gorilla jumps up and down and shakes it's head about every 30 seconds or so - thereafter it remains motionless until the pressure builds up again. This process is very irregular (due to a problem with the compressor) so it can happen at any time. The kids especially love it and stand for ages talking to the Gorilla. I have many photo's of kids totally enthralled with the contraption. The latest modification to this is the addition of a loudspeaker inside the Gorilla with a remote microphone - now they will really be able to speak to the Gorilla but it has yet to go to a show with this feature. I forsee a scramble for the microphone everytime a good looking "gal" walks past it! See the pic here < http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/gorilla.jpg >. Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 02:09:49 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:09:49 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Lister paint colours overseas In-Reply-To: <6f602516050329041122676b61@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f602516050329041122676b61@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160503310209345dc08@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:11:03 +0100, Listerdiesel wrote: > I receive many requests both from List members and from others about > the correct Lister paint colour. > > The actual reference is: > > BS381C Shade 226 Mid Brunswick Green. I had a word with our local Autopaint International guy this morning, and got him to take the formulation off the computer for me. The information is below if anyone fancies a bash at getting some made: This is for 1 litre (1000 millilitres) Qty Colour Code Description 781.5ml Medium Green 406 Close to RAL7005 in colour 117.2ml Black 409 'Controlled Strength' Black 97.7ml Yellow 431 Close to RAL1003 in colour 39.1ml White 400 That actually makes up just over 1035 millilitres of paint. RAL 7005 is a 'strong' yellow, almost getting on for orange, but a good paint place will have a RAL colour swatch. Because all the mixers have different compilations of paints, there will be differences in the basic make-up of this colour. This compilation is for 2-pack paint. Hope this is of some help. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From oldengines at bigpond.com Thu Mar 31 02:53:36 2005 From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron & Liz Sullivan) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:53:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050329200519.00b21be0@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <003301c535df$e3d91100$31e58690@ronliz1> Hi Russell big response i see It's obvious it was such a great event it was too hot for a camera or the dust was too thick to take good pitures Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "the gourmet chef" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:08 PM Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! > G'day all, just wondering if Curt Holland was the only person at the > national with a camera???? > > Surely there must be a few more pics kicking about that the unlucky ones > could view! > Russell > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Mar 31 03:38:13 2005 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:38:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! In-Reply-To: <003301c535df$e3d91100$31e58690@ronliz1> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050329200519.00b21be0@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050331213746.00b21d40@mail.ncable.com.au> Just goes to show pal, theres now show without punch! Russell At 08:53 PM 31/03/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Russell >big response i see >It's obvious it was such a great event it was too hot for a camera or the >dust was too thick to take good pitures >Ron >----- Original Message ----- >From: "the gourmet chef" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:08 PM >Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! > > > > G'day all, just wondering if Curt Holland was the only person at the > > national with a camera???? > > > > Surely there must be a few more pics kicking about that the unlucky ones > > could view! > > Russell > > > > Russell Gilbert > > Sunny Sunraysia > > russell at ncable.com.au > > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From rustyiron at bigpond.com Thu Mar 31 16:01:06 2005 From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 08:01:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT References: <200503310343.j2V3hgtt000981@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <007701c5364d$fd6d2f20$4e2dfea9@ibmbnh186c> Being a smart ass that I am, I once tried to weld the threaded block where one of the spot welds had brocken off, which was causing an oil leak. You guessed it, one big whooshing sound and a very big oil pan later and an alumimium rocker cover in about five pieces. Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com Thu Mar 31 04:11:33 2005 From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:11:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! Message-ID: Paul, I seem like you have access to a welder, so before starting with the Drilling route why not try one more thing with the welder. I tried the slide hammer on a key and had zero success so I had a big bolt welded to the end of the key, threads pointing out. Then i slipped a piece of pipe over the bolt, added a couple of washers, the nut and with the use of a 1/2 breaker bar i tourqued it out. You can see it on my Webshots site to see what i mean. You can always drill it if this last step fails. http://community.webshots.com/photo/81062075/81062075YhFfyQ Ken ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at mastercam.com. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by McAfee VirusScan for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 31 04:01:38 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:01:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050329200519.00b21be0@mail.ncable.com.au> <5.2.0.9.2.20050331213746.00b21d40@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <009201c535ec$0c02ef00$04ee1fd3@morris> OK leave me alone you lot, I have a lot of pictures to sort but I don't have Dolly to do all the work as another member has 8-)) > Just goes to show pal, theres now show without punch! > > Russell > >>>big response i see >>It's obvious it was such a great event it was too hot for a camera or the >>dust was too thick to take good pitures >>Ron >> >> > G'day all, just wondering if Curt Holland was the only person at the >> > national with a camera???? >> > >> > Surely there must be a few more pics kicking about that the unlucky >> > ones >> > could view! From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 31 04:22:56 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:22:56 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <007701c5364d$fd6d2f20$4e2dfea9@ibmbnh186c> References: <200503310343.j2V3hgtt000981@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <007701c5364d$fd6d2f20$4e2dfea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <424BEBA0.4040100@optusnet.com.au> Andy wrote: >Being a smart ass that I am, I once tried to weld the threaded block where >one of the spot welds had brocken off, which was causing an oil leak. You >guessed it, one big whooshing sound and a very big oil pan later and an >alumimium rocker cover in about five pieces. > >Andy Nicholson >Exmouth W.A. >Oz. >rustyiron at bigpond.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Andy, would that be a case of Internal Combustion? Jack in Oz From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Mar 31 04:29:11 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:29:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <6f60251605033021572ff0f0e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <6f60251605033021572ff0f0e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3322.165.206.180.102.1112272151.squirrel@antique-engines.com> SHORT? I go 1,000 on classic cars, 3,000 miles on new cars, not a spec over. And they last and last and last........... Never wore out a single internal engine part. My Javelin will get an oil change every 1,000 miles, the 95 truck and 03 jeep, every 3,000. After seeing inside engines all these years when people go over that, it's scary. Of course, if you put THAT many miles on it's probably all highway or higher speed longer drives, which helps. Bill > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:16:48 EST, Germoamer at aol.com > wrote: >> Here is a question for all you automotive mechanics out there. >> >> I own a 1993 Honda Accord we bought new, now has 160,000 miles, been >> >serviced only by the local Honda dealer with approximately 4000 miles >> between oil >> changes. So, that is 40 times the oil plug has been screwed in and out. >> We >now use the car as a spare and only drive once in a while. > > That seems an awfully short period between oil changes, Tom. Our old > Isuzu diesel van used to have 4000 mile changes, about once a month, > but most other things we have had since are 12,000 miles or 20,000 > miles between changes, and they are diesels. If yours is a petrol > engine then I would have expected a much longer period than 4000 > miles. Is that in the service book? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Mar 31 04:31:24 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:31:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <007701c5364d$fd6d2f20$4e2dfea9@ibmbnh186c> References: <200503310343.j2V3hgtt000981@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <007701c5364d$fd6d2f20$4e2dfea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <3331.165.206.180.102.1112272284.squirrel@antique-engines.com> So did you excuse yourself to go change pants? Geesh, I bet that was a shocker! Yikes! I pulled them and washed them up good before brazing.......... Bill > Being a smart ass that I am, I once tried to weld the threaded block where > one of the spot welds had brocken off, which was causing an oil leak. You > guessed it, one big whooshing sound and a very big oil pan later and an > alumimium rocker cover in about five pieces. > > Andy Nicholson > Exmouth W.A. > Oz. > rustyiron at bigpond.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 31 04:44:14 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:44:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: Message-ID: <000a01c535ef$587a8ed0$04ee1fd3@morris> G'Day Ken Thanks for the great Pics, never tried quite the same way, but will remember for next time All the best Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz > > I seem like you have access to a welder, so before starting with the > Drilling route why not try one more thing with the welder. I tried the > slide hammer on a key and had zero success so I had a big bolt welded to > the end of the key, threads pointing out. Then i slipped a piece of > pipe over the bolt, added a couple of washers, the nut and with the use > of a 1/2 breaker bar i tourqued it out. You can see it on my Webshots > site to see what i mean. You can always drill it if this last step > fails. http://community.webshots.com/photo/81062075/81062075YhFfyQ > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Mar 31 04:47:18 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:47:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050329200519.00b21be0@mail.ncable.com.au> <003301c535df$e3d91100$31e58690@ronliz1> Message-ID: <012d01c535ef$c68618e0$023354d2@Cam> Hi Ron, I can send a few at a time as I took them in high resolution and they will only block the system. You won't get a better coverage than Curts anyway. Cheers Camshaft ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron & Liz Sullivan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! > Hi Russell > big response i see > It's obvious it was such a great event it was too hot for a camera or the > dust was too thick to take good pitures > Ron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "the gourmet chef" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:08 PM > Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! > > >> G'day all, just wondering if Curt Holland was the only person at the >> national with a camera???? >> >> Surely there must be a few more pics kicking about that the unlucky ones >> could view! >> Russell >> >> Russell Gilbert >> Sunny Sunraysia >> russell at ncable.com.au >> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From galoway4 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 31 04:53:08 2005 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:53:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL> <046a01c5358a$d3e9c8c0$0301a8c0@Reg> Message-ID: <001001c535f0$98681bb0$72ae9b18@jake> You are so right Arthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > When you manage to break the bolt off in the hole, you will wonder why you > didnt drill it right through!! > > I suppose you can stuff it completely by breaking off a drill in the hole! > > Here is something to think on. > THE FIRST TOUCH OF THE DRILL DECIDES IF THE JOB GETS TURNED TO SCRAP!!! > So, make damn sure you do it ALL properly. There aint any shortcuts. If > that > drill starts off wrong, nothing you do will stop the drama developing. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:36 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > > >> I guess I'd drill, tap, screw in a grade 8 bolts and resort back to the >> slide hammer trick. >> >> This is supposed to be fun, Paul :-)) >> >> RickinMt. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Paul Maples" >> To: "Stationary Engine List" >> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 1:46 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! >> >> >> Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key >> from >> the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities these >> are >> the things I have tried: >> >> (1) Pre-soaked the Gib Key with Kroil Penetrating oil for a week to start >> with. >> (2) Tried driving the Gib Key in just a little more to loosen it - it did >> not move. >> (3) Tried driving the Flywheel in just a little to break the bond on the > gib >> key - it did not move. >> (4) Used an original Gib Key Removal tool - succeeded in breaking off the >> tang on the Gib Key. >> (5) Welded a bolt onto the Gib Key and used a knocker to loosen it - it > just >> broke the weld on the gib key - done this four times with no success. >> (6) Welded the knocker bolt onto the Gib Key one more time, heated the >> flywheel hub a little with a torch, tried knocker again and just broke >> the >> weld. >> (7) Tried welding a Hex Nut on top of the flywheel with one flat of the > hex >> nut facing the flat side of the flywheel, trying to make a new tang on >> the >> Gib Key to use the Gib Key Puller with - broke weld. >> >> Here are some pictures: >> >> The first picture once again just shows the little 1-1/2HP Petter I am >> working on. >> The second picture shows the Gib Key status when I first started trying >> to >> get it out. >> Remaining pictures show the current state of the gib key - as you can see >> the gib key has about a 1/2 to 3/4" now broken off of it now. >> >> >> http://client.webshots.com/photo/309747100/309747100ygAQhr >> >> So now here in my dilemma. I have no machining capabilities, the key has >> some of it broken off now, whatever I try next needs to work as I am > running >> out of gib key. I need someone to tell me what they think would be the >> method most successful for me to try next. >> >> Thanks everyone for the help, this gib key is about to put me in the > insane >> house................I belong there anyway. >> >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Mar 31 04:56:35 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:56:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050329200519.00b21be0@mail.ncable.com.au><5.2.0.9.2.20050331213746.00b21d40@mail.ncable.com.au> <009201c535ec$0c02ef00$04ee1fd3@morris> Message-ID: <013801c535f1$12a94200$023354d2@Cam> Hey Kerry every one of those Photo's are worth $100's each for taking them in that heat. Cam PS How ya sleeping ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! > OK leave me alone you lot, I have a lot of pictures to sort but I don't > have Dolly to do all the work as another member has 8-)) > > > >> Just goes to show pal, theres now show without punch! >> >> Russell >> >>>>big response i see >>>It's obvious it was such a great event it was too hot for a camera or the >>>dust was too thick to take good pitures >>>Ron >>> >>> > G'day all, just wondering if Curt Holland was the only person at the >>> > national with a camera???? >>> > >>> > Surely there must be a few more pics kicking about that the unlucky >>> > ones >>> > could view! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From galoway4 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 31 04:57:35 2005 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:57:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! References: <00b801c53569$93b35990$230110ac@PAUL><000a01c5358d$0bafab10$99a39b18@jake> <02f201c53591$55f5a860$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <001d01c535f1$373e56f0$72ae9b18@jake> Cheap ! Cheap! Cheap! compared to a cup of coffee Arthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > Thanks Arthur for the offer but with gasoline at $2.15 a gallon I am > afraid I would go broke before I got there. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Buchanan" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:00 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! > > >> Hello Paul: >> Arnie is right about what to do. Put ot in your truck and bring it >> down and I will drill it out for you. About 250 miles from you. >> >> Arthur >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Paul Maples" >> To: "Stationary Engine List" >> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:46 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key Update - Need Help!!! >> >> >> Ok gang I have went from bad to worse on trying to remove the gib key >> from the little Petter Engine. Since I have no machining capabilities >> these are the things I have tried: >> >> (1) Pre-soaked the Gib Key with Kroil Penetrating oil for a week to start >> with. >> (2) Tried driving the Gib Key in just a little more to loosen it - it did >> not move. >> (3) Tried driving the Flywheel in just a little to break the bond on the >> gib key - it did not move. >> (4) Used an original Gib Key Removal tool - succeeded in breaking off the >> tang on the Gib Key. >> (5) Welded a bolt onto the Gib Key and used a knocker to loosen it - it >> just broke the weld on the gib key - done this four times with no >> success. >> (6) Welded the knocker bolt onto the Gib Key one more time, heated the >> flywheel hub a little with a torch, tried knocker again and just broke >> the weld. >> (7) Tried welding a Hex Nut on top of the flywheel with one flat of the >> hex nut facing the flat side of the flywheel, trying to make a new tang >> on the Gib Key to use the Gib Key Puller with - broke weld. >> >> Here are some pictures: >> >> The first picture once again just shows the little 1-1/2HP Petter I am >> working on. >> The second picture shows the Gib Key status when I first started trying >> to get it out. >> Remaining pictures show the current state of the gib key - as you can see >> the gib key has about a 1/2 to 3/4" now broken off of it now. >> >> >> http://client.webshots.com/photo/309747100/309747100ygAQhr >> >> So now here in my dilemma. I have no machining capabilities, the key has >> some of it broken off now, whatever I try next needs to work as I am >> running out of gib key. I need someone to tell me what they think would >> be the method most successful for me to try next. >> >> Thanks everyone for the help, this gib key is about to put me in the >> insane house................I belong there anyway. >> >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 05:34:49 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:34:49 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <3322.165.206.180.102.1112272151.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <6f60251605033021572ff0f0e9@mail.gmail.com> <3322.165.206.180.102.1112272151.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605033105344ec12d32@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:29:11 -0800 (PST), bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > SHORT? I go 1,000 on classic cars, 3,000 miles on new cars, not a spec over. > And they last and last and last........... > Never wore out a single internal engine part. > My Javelin will get an oil change every 1,000 miles, the 95 truck and 03 > jeep, every 3,000. > After seeing inside engines all these years when people go over that, it's > scary. > Of course, if you put THAT many miles on it's probably all highway or > higher speed longer drives, which helps. > > Bill We get 250,000 or so miles before we change the vehicles, the last one (diesel) was exceptionally clean internally before sold it, but that was run on fully synthetic oil from new and oil changes at 12000 miles religiously. The current (diesel) van was new in September 04, we have done nearly 30,000 miles so far with one oil change at 20,000 miles as scheduled. That is currently on semi-synthetic but that's because the dealer didn't do as he was told and fill it with the oil we supplied.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Mar 31 05:57:28 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:57:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT - John Deere wiring diagram needed In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20050331103058.009c0f28@127.0.0.1> References: <3.0.6.32.20050331103058.009c0f28@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <3769.165.206.180.102.1112277448.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Sorry for yet another OT, but I know a lot of garden tractor folks are also engine folks..and visa-versa, whatever. I'm working on a John Deere 318 lawn tractor. The wiring is messed up - or at least seems to be. The oil light stays on, even with the sender DISCONNECTED. It has oil pressure, the sender works, but the light won't go out so there must be a problem in wiring. I pulled it partially apart and see there are two wires at the oil light - yellow and brown. Sitting next to the light socket is a black wire with a spade terminal. Looks like it belongs somewhere, but have no idea where. A wiring diagram would be very helpful, but I don't have any. Can anyone point me to a source, or one online, or have a copy they could email? It's definitely a stationary engine until I get that working again. Thanks, Bill From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Mar 31 06:14:24 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:14:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <6f60251605033105344ec12d32@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <6f60251605033021572ff0f0e9@mail.gmail.com> <3322.165.206.180.102.1112272151.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6f60251605033105344ec12d32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3913.165.206.180.102.1112278464.squirrel@antique-engines.com> So, Peter - do you recommend synthetic? I know some swear by it. I've never even tried it. What about for older engines? (no, not our antiques, our old cars) (rob, I'm still trying to figure out how many drops of oil in a gallon) Bill > > We get 250,000 or so miles before we change the vehicles, the last one > (diesel) was exceptionally clean internally before sold it, but that > was run on fully synthetic oil from new and oil changes at 12000 miles > religiously. > > The current (diesel) van was new in September 04, we have done nearly > 30,000 miles so far with one oil change at 20,000 miles as scheduled. > That is currently on semi-synthetic but that's because the dealer > didn't do as he was told and fill it with the oil we supplied.... > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 31 05:18:59 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:18:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> Message-ID: <005501c535f4$344a3ce0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> In my sixty-one years I have never heard of anyone wearing out an oil pan > hole except from over tightening and stretching things or from cross threading. > Remember, this bolt has only been removed and reinstalled about 40 times. If you installed it 38 of those times that leaves 2 chances for the hamfisted to intervene on your behalf ,I see one at least every other day . Ever seen someone strip out all 20 wheel bolts on the same car ? >I believe the Honda dealer screwed up and then wanted us to pay for their > mistake. Its usually the last to work on that gets the blame , but he is also usually the guy trying to -remove- the seized fastener the other guy "got tight" enough . From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 06:31:07 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:31:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT - John Deere wiring diagram needed In-Reply-To: <3769.165.206.180.102.1112277448.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20050331103058.009c0f28@127.0.0.1> <3769.165.206.180.102.1112277448.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605033106317df65127@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:57:28 -0800 (PST), bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Sorry for yet another OT, but I know a lot of garden tractor folks are > also engine folks..and visa-versa, whatever. > > I'm working on a John Deere 318 lawn tractor. The wiring is messed up - or > at least seems to be. The oil light stays on, even with the sender > DISCONNECTED. > It has oil pressure, the sender works, but the light won't go out so there > must be a problem in wiring. > I pulled it partially apart and see there are two wires at the oil light - > yellow and brown. Sitting next to the light socket is a black wire with a > spade terminal. Looks like it belongs somewhere, but have no idea where. > A wiring diagram would be very helpful, but I don't have any. > Can anyone point me to a source, or one online, or have a copy they could > email? > > It's definitely a stationary engine until I get that working again. > > Thanks, > > Bill FWIW the oil light is usually fed positive 12V and the oil switch grounds it to turn the light on. Could you have a wrong wire on the light? Does that 'spare' lead have anything to do with the oil switch, a quick continuity check would confirm both. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 07:01:20 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:01:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <3913.165.206.180.102.1112278464.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <6f60251605033021572ff0f0e9@mail.gmail.com> <3322.165.206.180.102.1112272151.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6f60251605033105344ec12d32@mail.gmail.com> <3913.165.206.180.102.1112278464.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605033107012cfb7a49@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:14:24 -0800 (PST), bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > So, Peter - do you recommend synthetic? > I know some swear by it. I've never even tried it. > What about for older engines? (no, not our antiques, our old cars) > > (rob, I'm still trying to figure out how many drops of oil in a gallon) > > Bill Haven't used anything else for 10 years or so now, but wouldn't recommend it for the slower/older engines such as we take to rallies or older cars, they need a thicker grade. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 31 07:33:09 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:33:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT - John Deere wiring diagram needed References: <3.0.6.32.20050331103058.009c0f28@127.0.0.1> <3769.165.206.180.102.1112277448.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Bill; Subscribe to the JD list on www.atis.net . They talk about L&G tractors. later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:57 AM Subject: [SEL] OT - John Deere wiring diagram needed > Sorry for yet another OT, but I know a lot of garden tractor folks are > also engine folks..and visa-versa, whatever. > > I'm working on a John Deere 318 lawn tractor. The wiring is messed up - or > at least seems to be. The oil light stays on, even with the sender > DISCONNECTED. > It has oil pressure, the sender works, but the light won't go out so there > must be a problem in wiring. > I pulled it partially apart and see there are two wires at the oil light - > yellow and brown. Sitting next to the light socket is a black wire with a > spade terminal. Looks like it belongs somewhere, but have no idea where. > A wiring diagram would be very helpful, but I don't have any. > Can anyone point me to a source, or one online, or have a copy they could > email? > > It's definitely a stationary engine until I get that working again. > > Thanks, > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 07:43:04 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:43:04 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <005501c535f4$344a3ce0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <005501c535f4$344a3ce0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605033107432181c397@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:18:59 -0600, kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: > In my sixty-one years I have never heard of anyone wearing out an oil pan > > hole except from over tightening and stretching things or from cross > threading. > > Remember, this bolt has only been removed and reinstalled about 40 times. Reminds me of an incident on a truck one night: We had been called out by the Police to attend a truck (Scania LB110) which had broken a hafl-shaft on a hill, carrying an outsized load from Portslade in Sussex up to Manchester. The height of the load meant that it had to go up one of the older parallel roads to the main route out of Brighton, and he had mashed the shaft after a missed downchange. Scania half shafts come in different flavours, the smaller LB80 had a forged flange integral with the shaft, the larger LB110 and LB140's had a floating cap on the outer end, so when it broke, it nearly always went inside the differential, while the LB80's always sheared off at the flange end. This one was a pig to do as it had a diff-lock as standard and the shaft had broken between the two sets of splines, so we had to drop the diff out on the road. I called out our other engineer to give me a hand and bring the diff jack with him, and we got it done without too much hassle. We hung around while the Police escort was recalled, and made sure that he pulled away up the hill without breaking any more shafts, then we went back to bed, it was about 4am. I awoke at 5am with a sudden thought: who had tightened the drain plug and filler plug up?? I couldn't remember if the other guy had done it and I certainly couldn't recall doing it myself. I sweated for a while until I got hold of the Police who checked with the escort. They had pulled up for a break and were able to confirm it was all OK, but I had a couple of hours of very uncormfortable waiting! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Mar 31 07:39:29 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:39:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT Message-ID: <20050331.104136.324.14.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tom, This is just ONE REASON why I WILL NOT have my oil changed ANYWHERE except by MYSELF. Too many horror stories. My truck is 1972 new. - NO ONE has ever changed oil but me. My Merk is 1989 used - ONE TIME - I took it to a Goodyear dealer to get tires and said - "Why not change the oil also." Sure enough - PROBLEMS. As I was driving down the street I saw smoke behind me. I checked the oil and it looked to be about 2 quarts TOO FULL and DIRTY. I took it back and talked to the owner (I know him) and he said HE would change it again. I watched and as soon as he lifted the car and got under, he said "I know what they did". They didn't drain BOTH SIDES of the pan. (My Merk has 2 drain plugs.) They simply drained only one side and refilled with 4? qts of oil. Never again will ANYONE except ME change oil in my vehicles - NOT EVEN my kid, who was a mechanic for a while and "over tightens" everything. He picked up a saying off a mechanic friend of mine that goes like this: "A good cross thread is better than no thread." My insides get all tangled up when I hear that. Thanks for the opportunity, Just my opinion. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Mar 31 07:46:38 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:46:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT - John Deere wiring diagram needed In-Reply-To: <6f60251605033106317df65127@mail.gmail.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20050331103058.009c0f28@127.0.0.1> <3769.165.206.180.102.1112277448.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6f60251605033106317df65127@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4077.165.206.180.102.1112283998.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Hmmm - you are right - I'll check that out tonight. Bill > > FWIW the oil light is usually fed positive 12V and the oil switch > grounds it to turn the light on. Could you have a wrong wire on the > light? Does that 'spare' lead have anything to do with the oil > switch, a quick continuity check would confirm both. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Mar 31 08:17:13 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:17:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT Message-ID: <20050331.112852.1296.40.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tom, This is just ONE REASON why I WILL NOT have my oil changed ANYWHERE except by MYSELF. Too many horror stories. My truck is 1972 new. - NO ONE has ever changed oil but me. My Merk is 1989 used - ONE TIME - I took it to a Goodyear dealer to get tires and said - "Why not change the oil also." Sure enough - PROBLEMS. As I was driving down the street I saw smoke behind me. I checked the oil and it looked to be about 2 quarts TOO FULL and DIRTY. I took it back and talked to the owner (I know him) and he said HE would change it again. I watched and as soon as he lifted the car and got under, he said "I know what they did". They didn't drain BOTH SIDES of the pan. (My Merk has 2 drain plugs.) They simply drained only one side and refilled with 4? qts of oil. Never again will ANYONE except ME change oil in my vehicles - NOT EVEN my kid, who was a mechanic for a while and "over tightens" everything. He picked up a saying off a mechanic friend of mine that goes like this: "A good cross thread is better than no thread." My insides get all tangled up when I hear that. Thanks for the opportunity, Just my opinion. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 08:40:52 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:40:52 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Lister paint colours overseas In-Reply-To: <6f6025160503310209345dc08@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f602516050329041122676b61@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160503310209345dc08@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605033108403a83cba@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:09:49 +0100, Listerdiesel wrote: I emailed Dupont in the US of A regarding the problem of getting the BS range of colours overseas, and received the following email back just now: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thank you for your interest in DuPont paints. Unfortunately the DuPont paint qualities (Imron(r) , Chromasystems(r) , Centari(r) , Nason(r) ) available in the US do not have a match to the British Standard color. The only way for a DuPont distributor in the US to match one of these colors would be for them to have a sample and color match the sample. DuPont Performance Coatings division does have two European brands of paint, Spies Hecker and Standox, which are available in the US through many DuPont distributors. The Spies Hecker and Standox paint brands do have a match to this color. If they can use one of the brands of paint in the US they should be able to get a match through a distributor that carries one of the Spies Hecker or Standox lines of paint. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Thu Mar 31 08:42:40 2005 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:42:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me References: <410-220053330141637309@earthlink.net> <4776.165.206.180.102.1112195079.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <001b01c53550$979e0aa0$501117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <005201c53610$a7c661a0$0e810b43@satx.rr.com> I have had nothing but trouble with ME. Error messages, blue screens...my computer has a dent in it from a really bad ME crash that really pi**ed me off!!!... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me > Some day I may figure out why everyone is so down on ME. I have it on > about 6 machines and have NEVER had a problem with it. No crashes (that > were not MY fault ) no problems with hardware. I know a LOT of people > who have it and love it as well. I am still looking for a retail copy > for another machine I have here (want to put it in the shop as a jukebox > / manual source). > > ME seems to get kicked around a lot BUT if you look at the coding you > find that it is 98SE with about 6 added features. The my pictures > screensaver, thumbnail viewing of files, better driver support, better > USB support, and larger HD support, plus it doesn't need tons of memory > or high speed processors to run. > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:04 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me > > > > I'm shocked - I have yet to see a CD that XP didn't recognize. Cd's > are so > > basic, and there are actually semi-universal drivers that XP uses if > an > > exact model can't be determined. > > This will be interesting! > > > > You want AT LEAST 256K RAM for XP, 512K is better, 1 gig is best. > > > > If you wanna dump XP, you'll probably need to reformat the drive and > start > > over with a clean OS install. > > Windows ME is the worst Windows since Windows 3.0 or Win95. > > It's prone to crashes and flakiness. > > I'd run Win98 before I'd run ME. > > > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Mar 31 08:48:44 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:48:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda Oil Plug Message-ID: <20050331.114927.1004.7.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tom, This is just ONE REASON why I WILL NOT have my oil changed ANYWHERE except by MYSELF. Too many horror stories. My truck is 1972 new. - NO ONE has ever changed oil but me. My Merk is 1989 used - ONE TIME - I took it to a Goodyear dealer to get tires and said - "Why not change the oil also." Sure enough - PROBLEMS. As I was driving down the street I saw smoke behind me. I checked the oil and it looked to be about 2 quarts TOO FULL and DIRTY. I took it back and talked to the owner (I know him) and he said HE would change it again. I watched and as soon as he lifted the car and got under, he said "I know what they did". They didn't drain BOTH SIDES of the pan. (My Merk has 2 drain plugs.) They simply drained only one side and refilled with 4? qts of oil. Never again will ANYONE except ME change oil in my vehicles - NOT EVEN my kid, who was a mechanic for a while and "over tightens" everything. He picked up a saying off a mechanic friend of mine that goes like this: "A good cross thread is better than no thread." My insides get all tangled up when I hear that. Thanks for the opportunity, Just my opinion. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Mar 31 09:37:35 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:37:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <6f60251605033107432181c397@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <005501c535f4$344a3ce0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <6f60251605033107432181c397@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050331123457.01d824f8@mail.alltel.net> > and he had mashed the shaft after a missed downchange. >Peter WOW, I did that once. It makes me cringe just thinking about it. Sure hope that the guy is OK now! Dave From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 10:21:22 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:21:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050331123457.01d824f8@mail.alltel.net> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <005501c535f4$344a3ce0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <6f60251605033107432181c397@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050331123457.01d824f8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160503311021274f1ec2@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:37:35 -0500, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > and he had mashed the shaft after a missed downchange. > >Peter > > WOW, I did that once. It makes me cringe just thinking about it. Sure hope > that the guy is OK now! > Dave Well, Dave, Scanias in those days (1970's) had a splitter gearbox, not just your ordinary 5+1, so imagine what a splitter is gonna do to your shaft....:-)) I thought this was a family list? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 31 11:38:34 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:38:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Split your Shaft (but still OT) In-Reply-To: <6f6025160503311021274f1ec2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <005501c535f4$344a3ce0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <6f60251605033107432181c397@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050331123457.01d824f8@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160503311021274f1ec2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Yes, just imagine... If the possum is any indication, it will enhance your reproductive odds. Yep, truth is stranger than fiction, the possum has a forked penis. http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1279/is_199/ai_105915705 http://www.chaffeezoo.org/animals/marsupialia.htm Since this "characteristic" seems to be a marsupial thing, perhaps our Aussie list members can comment on the extent to which things are split in Oz? BTW, limited research seems to indicate that humans have done some similar experimentation, but appear to have limited the practice to the tongue. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/13/national/main553739.shtml See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > Well, Dave, Scanias in those days (1970's) had a splitter gearbox, not > just your ordinary 5+1, so imagine what a splitter is gonna do to your > shaft....:-)) > > I thought this was a family list? From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Mar 31 12:36:53 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:36:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <6f6025160503311021274f1ec2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <005501c535f4$344a3ce0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <6f60251605033107432181c397@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050331123457.01d824f8@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160503311021274f1ec2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050331153605.01d8c268@mail.alltel.net> >I thought this was a family list? > >Peter Hell Peter, It was YOU who brought the subject up! Dave From paul at semidiesel.com Thu Mar 31 12:45:13 2005 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:45:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Sulzer Blast Injection First Run In-Reply-To: <00d701c5357c$8dddfe40$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: The 1912 Sulzer D series diesel ran for the first time at the museum on Easter Monday. We managed 3 runs during the day with the engine running well but not yet maintaing blast pressure very well. A bit of fettling on the compressor should sort that. This was the first time the engine had run since 1936. Bit of a clip below. http://www.internalfire.com/modules/Andromeda/Multimedia/Video/Museum_Engines/Sulzer-56.wmv Not brilliant quality but you get the idea. Thanks to all those who helped with this project, both practical support and encouragement. Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 30/03/05 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 13:14:12 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:14:12 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050331153605.01d8c268@mail.alltel.net> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <005501c535f4$344a3ce0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <6f60251605033107432181c397@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050331123457.01d824f8@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160503311021274f1ec2@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050331153605.01d8c268@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160503311314b4188@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:36:53 -0500, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > >I thought this was a family list? > > > >Peter > > Hell Peter, It was YOU who brought the subject up! > Dave Ah, but the subtle nuances were added by your good self as only YOU know how! :-)) Have you and Arnie raided the piggy bank yet for the fare to Tulare?? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 13:24:19 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:24:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Splitter Boxes and Range-Changes Message-ID: <6f60251605033113244c3186e7@mail.gmail.com> For those non-truck guys who might be interested, the term splitter box refers to a 5 or 6-speed gearbox with another (epicyclic) gearbox on the back, giving a multiplication up or down of the difference between two consecutive gears in the main gearbox, thus you would start in 1st Low, then split up to 1st high, then 2nd low, 2nd high and so forth. Range-change boxes were a development of the splitter boxes, except that the ratio of the epicyclic unit took the gearing up a whole range of gears higher, and once in the high range you rarely needed to come down again on the move, so the sequence went 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th then back to 1st but you changed the range up so that 1st was now 6th gear and so on. There were all sorts of devices to stop folks dropping back down the range at the wrong time, and when they failed it was a case of a box of cogs all over the road! The Scania box in particular was prone to all sorts of problems with the pneumatics and synchro cones. Fuller made a Range-Change box which also sold well in the UK, but Volvo and Scania made their own units. Having driven both (I hold a full truck licence) I found the splitter box better, but the constant thumbing of the control button on the gear lever didn't suit some guys, and the range-change boxes eventually replaced the splitters completely. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu Mar 31 13:50:43 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:50:43 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Sulzer Blast Injection First Run References: Message-ID: <424C70B3.3A926ABD@insulate.co.uk> Hi Paul Jim's verdict - oooh, bugger!!!! You've done a great job on installing the engine - can't imagine the work that has taken place to make that engine display out of a cattle shed! You've done good. And, by the way, there isn't a diesel pump for you to overhaul. Jim pulled his Ruston HR to pieces yesterday and rebuilt it, messed with the govenors and spill timing, and it finished up running quite happily for an hour or two :-))) Dolly & Jim Paul Evans wrote: > The 1912 Sulzer D series diesel ran for the first time at the museum on Easter Monday. We managed 3 > runs during the day with the engine running well but not yet maintaing blast pressure very well. A > bit of fettling on the compressor should sort that. > > This was the first time the engine had run since 1936. > > Bit of a clip below. > > http://www.internalfire.com/modules/Andromeda/Multimedia/Video/Museum_Engines/Sulzer-56.wmv > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From nancydick at pennswoods.net Thu Mar 31 14:01:34 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:01:34 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <3913.165.206.180.102.1112278464.squirrel@antique-engines.c om> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <6f60251605033021572ff0f0e9@mail.gmail.com> <3322.165.206.180.102.1112272151.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6f60251605033105344ec12d32@mail.gmail.com> <3913.165.206.180.102.1112278464.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050331135957.01abceb0@mail.pennswoods.net> Bill i had a fellow once that told me how many drops in a gallon.[[ALL OF THEM]] R Fink PA >(rob, I'm still trying to figure out how many drops of oil in a gallon) > >Bill From falcon at telenet.net Thu Mar 31 14:56:23 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:56:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Splitter Boxes and Range-Changes References: <6f60251605033113244c3186e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000701c53644$dcfa62c0$911117d1@net.telenet.net> ALL of those are TOYS. Try a Mack twin stick with a two speed rear end when you really want to learn how to shift... That would be a 5 speed main box, 5 speed secondary box and the two speed rear. For a LONG time that was a common setup on construction vehicles so they could match speeds with other equipment. I even know of one real glutton for punishment who has a custom built rig from the mid 70s that has a 5 speed feeding a 9 speed with a 2 speed rear. With the 5X5 you shift 1-5, then you shift the second box into 2 while shifting the main box back to either 2nd or third depending on how it is geared. Then go 1-5 and shift the main box to 1st while shifting the rear box to 4. Now go back through 1-5 again and then shift the rear box to 5 main box to 3rd and splitter to high. Go through 4,5 and your in high gear. Hills can be fun.... Something like 50 forward gear ratios, 10 reverse. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:24 PM Subject: [SEL] OT: Splitter Boxes and Range-Changes > For those non-truck guys who might be interested, the term splitter > box refers to a 5 or 6-speed gearbox with another (epicyclic) gearbox > on the back, giving a multiplication up or down of the difference > between two consecutive gears in the main gearbox, thus you would > start in 1st Low, then split up to 1st high, then 2nd low, 2nd high > and so forth. > > Range-change boxes were a development of the splitter boxes, except > that the ratio of the epicyclic unit took the gearing up a whole range > of gears higher, and once in the high range you rarely needed to come > down again on the move, so the sequence went 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th > then back to 1st but you changed the range up so that 1st was now 6th > gear and so on. > > There were all sorts of devices to stop folks dropping back down the > range at the wrong time, and when they failed it was a case of a box > of cogs all over the road! The Scania box in particular was prone to > all sorts of problems with the pneumatics and synchro cones. > > Fuller made a Range-Change box which also sold well in the UK, but > Volvo and Scania made their own units. > > Having driven both (I hold a full truck licence) I found the splitter > box better, but the constant thumbing of the control button on the > gear lever didn't suit some guys, and the range-change boxes > eventually replaced the splitters completely. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Mar 31 15:03:20 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:03:20 EST Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT Message-ID: <1f6.6b51dfe.2f7ddbb8@aol.com> In a message dated 3/31/2005 11:24:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, jlb94 at juno.com writes: << This is just ONE REASON why I WILL NOT have my oil changed ANYWHERE except by MYSELF. >> Joe, I had gotten away from servicing my vehicles, but will probably go back to it after this incident. This was jut the icing on the cake as I discovered a repair they had made using two small plastic wire tiers and charged $45 labor for the repair. When my wife confronted them about that she was told the tiers were tough! HA! When we go to the dealer and present the findings of the cross threaded plug, I am going to ask them if they are going to replace the pan at their expense. When they give me their "no" answer, that is when we will part ways for future service. Thanks for all the responses. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Mar 31 15:06:38 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:06:38 EST Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT Message-ID: <8b.246cbc90.2f7ddc7e@aol.com> In a message dated 3/31/2005 10:12:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, kerogas at sbcglobal.net writes: << Its usually the last to work on that gets the blame , but he is also usually the guy trying to -remove- the seized fastener the other guy "got tight" enough . >> As I said the car has been serviced ONLY by the dealer from which we purchased it new. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 31 15:29:47 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 09:29:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! In-Reply-To: <012d01c535ef$c68618e0$023354d2@Cam> Message-ID: Hi All, i took 120 odd photo's of the National but still haven't got myself organized to post them yet hopefully this weekend Dave >From: "cam grundy" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! >Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:47:18 +1000 > >Hi Ron, I can send a few at a time as I took them in high resolution and >they will only block the system. You won't get a better coverage than Curts >anyway. Cheers Camshaft >----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron & Liz Sullivan" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:53 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! > > >>Hi Russell >>big response i see >>It's obvious it was such a great event it was too hot for a camera or the >>dust was too thick to take good pitures >>Ron >>----- Original Message ----- From: "the gourmet chef" >> >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:08 PM >>Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! >> >> >>>G'day all, just wondering if Curt Holland was the only person at the >>>national with a camera???? >>> >>>Surely there must be a few more pics kicking about that the unlucky ones >>>could view! >>>Russell >>> >>>Russell Gilbert >>>Sunny Sunraysia >>>russell at ncable.com.au >>>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Only one more day left to find $5000 on eBay: http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/705-10129-5668-323?ID=1 From b.jwalker at shaw.ca Thu Mar 31 15:40:11 2005 From: b.jwalker at shaw.ca (Bob and Joanne) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:40:11 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 12, Issue 31 References: <200503311100.j2VB071Z015196@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <424C8A5B.000001.31959@HPPAV> I also have ME and love it. No problems and works like a dream. From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Mar 31 18:06:19 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:06:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <3331.165.206.180.102.1112272284.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <200503310343.j2V3hgtt000981@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <007701c5364d$fd6d2f20$4e2dfea9@ibmbnh186c> <3331.165.206.180.102.1112272284.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <688c8c4d9bccd83b135f153e876c12a5@chartertn.net> Figured that was the whooshing noise. On Mar 31, 2005, at 7:31 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > So did you excuse yourself to go change pants? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Mar 31 18:09:29 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:09:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <3913.165.206.180.102.1112278464.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <6f60251605033021572ff0f0e9@mail.gmail.com> <3322.165.206.180.102.1112272151.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6f60251605033105344ec12d32@mail.gmail.com> <3913.165.206.180.102.1112278464.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: http://www.hernonmfg.com/usagecharts/freefall.htm On Mar 31, 2005, at 9:14 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > (rob, I'm still trying to figure out how many drops of oil in a gallon) > > Bill John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Mar 31 18:15:50 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:15:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <6f6025160503311021274f1ec2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c2.257e58be.2f7ca980@aol.com> <005501c535f4$344a3ce0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <6f60251605033107432181c397@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050331123457.01d824f8@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160503311021274f1ec2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d591809cb233dfd98233e0f0923bb35@chartertn.net> http://www.thesneeze.com/mt-archives/000332.php On Mar 31, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > Well, Dave, Scanias in those days (1970's) had a splitter gearbox, not > just your ordinary 5+1, so imagine what a splitter is gonna do to your > shaft....:-)) > > I thought this was a family list? > > Peter John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From gwaugh at wowway.com Thu Mar 31 19:06:40 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:06:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504010306.j3136dP32600@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> So what, Dr. John, is the viscosity, in centipoises, of automotive oil? Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:09 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT http://www.hernonmfg.com/usagecharts/freefall.htm On Mar 31, 2005, at 9:14 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > (rob, I'm still trying to figure out how many drops of oil in a gallon) > > Bill John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Mar 31 19:49:43 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:49:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <200504010306.j3136dP32600@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> References: <200504010306.j3136dP32600@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: A typical 10W-30 runs about 68 cP at 40?C, 10.5cP at 100?C. John On Mar 31, 2005, at 10:06 PM, Gene Waugh wrote: > So what, Dr. John, is the viscosity, in centipoises, of automotive oil? > > Gene Waugh > Elgin, Illinois USA John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Mar 31 18:20:21 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:20:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT Message-ID: <20050331.212724.1308.8.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tom, There were a couple things that turned me against mechanics. I know there are some that really care about the work they do but being that I have the ability to do most of the work myself - I do. People like JB, who instructed me on how to replace a timing gear on an 89 Pontiac via e-mail, are indispensable. But - One was when I got a car State Inspected and came home to find a wobbly left front wheel. They loosened the front spindle ( I guess ) To check the brakes and reinstalled without a cotter pin. Two - Was when I bought my truck NEW. 1st State Inspection was at the dealer. 2 guys were sitting at the front wheel of my truck for the longest time. I was watching them and finally went over and said, "Something wrong?" They said they couldn't get the front hub back together. My question was: "Why did you take it apart?" they said - To get at the brakes. I said "See those 3 large screws on the drum?" Again - "Why did you take it apart?" No answer. Then I instructed them piece by piece on how to assemble a front driving hub. While this was going on I also observed a "mechanic" removing a rear end yoke with a BFH. This is a FORD DEALERSHIP. Where's the pullers ? Thanks for the opportunity, Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Mar 31 18:20:21 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:20:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT Message-ID: <20050331.213555.1036.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tom, There were a couple things that turned me against mechanics. I know there are some that really care about the work they do but being that I have the ability to do most of the work myself - I do. People like JB, who instructed me on how to replace a timing gear on an 89 Pontiac via e-mail, are indispensable. But - One was when I got a car State Inspected and came home to find a wobbly left front wheel. They loosened the front spindle ( I guess ) To check the brakes and reinstalled without a cotter pin. Two - Was when I bought my truck NEW. 1st State Inspection was at the dealer. 2 guys were sitting at the front wheel of my truck for the longest time. I was watching them and finally went over and said, "Something wrong?" They said they couldn't get the front hub back together. My question was: "Why did you take it apart?" they said - To get at the brakes. I said "See those 3 large screws on the drum?" Again - "Why did you take it apart?" No answer. Then I instructed them piece by piece on how to assemble a front driving hub. While this was going on I also observed a "mechanic" removing a rear end yoke with a BFH. This is a FORD DEALERSHIP. Where's the pullers ? Thanks for the opportunity, Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Mar 31 15:11:22 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 07:11:22 +0800 Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050329200519.00b21be0@mail.ncable.com.au> <5.2.0.9.2.20050331213746.00b21d40@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <000201c53689$2102d3a0$9fcc3dca@ogborneuah38i3> I think we will just have wait for TOMM. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! > Just goes to show pal, theres now show without punch! > > Russell > > > At 08:53 PM 31/03/2005 +1000, you wrote: >>Hi Russell >>big response i see >>It's obvious it was such a great event it was too hot for a camera or the >>dust was too thick to take good pitures >>Ron >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "the gourmet chef" >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:08 PM >>Subject: [SEL] where's the national rally pics! >> >> >> > G'day all, just wondering if Curt Holland was the only person at the >> > national with a camera???? >> > >> > Surely there must be a few more pics kicking about that the unlucky >> > ones >> > could view! >> > Russell >> > >> > Russell Gilbert >> > Sunny Sunraysia >> > russell at ncable.com.au >> > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >