From marvhed at ecenet.com Wed Jun 1 04:46:20 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 06:46:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] engine ID wanted- identified, Standard seperator In-Reply-To: <002e01c56627$a6a695a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: 6667 <20050531140157.28869.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> <44151.199.62.0.252.1117551076.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> <002e01c56627$a6a695a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <21118.199.62.0.252.1117626380.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> that's what i was thinkin' i'll bet it wouldn't take you long to have the engine running that's missing some parts. we have models that are larger. i've got too many things going on to get to it now but just wait untill the frost comes :-)) thanks, marv > Weld them up. Easy fabrication. >> >> now if i could only find a base and the seperator--- >> >> thanks, marv > From oldengin at udata.com Wed Jun 1 06:07:56 2005 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:07:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engin cart OT sorta kinda maybe? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050530110739.04655958@mail.alltel.net> References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> <003001c56519$9db94640$a65bef18@pengy> <6.1.2.0.0.20050530110739.04655958@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <429DB32C.9050103@udata.com> Gday Well you fill in the missing word (s) "That sure is a __________ idea" What I need is info or ideas on an engin cart that you can load on a trailer, and set different engins on for different shows. No I do not worry about weather the cart is correct for the engin, but just for the ease of loading and a real need to unload. This cart will need to hold the engin while at the show and must keep it from falling onto the ground and help me in my lazy mood of transport. Is this realistic? thanks -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Jun 1 06:59:41 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 07:59:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engin cart OT sorta kinda maybe? References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> <003001c56519$9db94640$a65bef18@pengy><6.1.2.0.0.20050530110739.04655958@mail.alltel.net> <429DB32C.9050103@udata.com> Message-ID: Here's the simple cart that I built for Eco..should have made it a little longer tho. http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/76454733CQwoUr Good Luck RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:07 AM Subject: [SEL] Engin cart OT sorta kinda maybe? > Gday > Well you fill in the missing word (s) "That sure is a __________ > idea" > What I need is info or ideas on an engin cart that you can load on a > trailer, and set different engins on for different shows. No I do not > worry about weather the cart is correct for the engin, but just for the > ease of loading and a real need to unload. This cart will need to hold > the engin while at the show and must keep it from falling onto the > ground and help me in my lazy mood of transport. Is this realistic? > thanks > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Jun 1 07:13:11 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:13:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] oil fields in W. Virginia Message-ID: For the gentleman who was interested in getting an oilfield engine, the guy goes by the name of oldenginenut and his email is schoolc at wirefire.com Good Luck RickinMt. From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Jun 1 07:44:30 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 07:44:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engin cart OT sorta kinda maybe? Message-ID: <20050601.074430.39.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> That is a good idea Leroy. Rolling is a lot easier than lifting. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:07:56 -0400 "Leroy C." writes: > Gday > Well you fill in the missing word (s) "That sure is a > __________ > idea" > What I need is info or ideas on an engin cart that you can load on a > > trailer, and set different engins on for different shows. No I do > not > worry about weather the cart is correct for the engin, but just for > the > ease of loading and a real need to unload. This cart will need to > hold > the engin while at the show and must keep it from falling onto the > ground and help me in my lazy mood of transport. Is this realistic? > thanks > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From wmrohrer at myactv.net Wed Jun 1 12:35:18 2005 From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:35:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Belting question? Message-ID: <200506011935.j51JZMC8068173@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> What is the calculation to figure the length of flat belting rolled up? Thanks Mike Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, Maryland USA Collector of Antique Farm Literature Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ From shop at cccomm.net Wed Jun 1 12:38:53 2005 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 12:38:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine cart Model T References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> <003001c56519$9db94640$a65bef18@pengy><6.1.2.0.0.20050530110739.04655958@mail.alltel.net><429DB32C.9050103@udata.com> Message-ID: <025501c566e1$8b263960$6401a8c0@Shop> This one will hold my Novo and pump without any problems. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31729261&f= From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Jun 1 15:33:44 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:33:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Belting question? In-Reply-To: <200506011935.j51JZMC8068173@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200506012233.j51MXmLL008910@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Mike ,Try 3.14x dia. of each coil. Add up the sum of each calculation. You should come pretty close. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Rohrer Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:35 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list'; 'Steam-engine mailing list' Subject: [SEL] Belting question? What is the calculation to figure the length of flat belting rolled up? Thanks Mike Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, Maryland USA Collector of Antique Farm Literature Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Jun 1 16:24:12 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:24:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Belting question? In-Reply-To: <200506012233.j51MXmLL008910@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200506012324.j51NOGNg020543@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Mike ,Adding the sum of the Dia's and multiplying the total by 3.14 also works. Jimmy O' Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 3:34 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] Belting question? Mike ,Try 3.14x dia. of each coil. Add up the sum of each calculation. You should come pretty close. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Rohrer Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:35 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list'; 'Steam-engine mailing list' Subject: [SEL] Belting question? What is the calculation to figure the length of flat belting rolled up? Thanks Mike Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, Maryland USA Collector of Antique Farm Literature Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 1 16:25:55 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Belting question? In-Reply-To: <200506011935.j51JZMC8068173@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <20050601232556.40555.qmail@web31309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Mike, I will take a stab at yer question. Measure the diameter of the smallest inside layer and the largest outside layer. Add the two measurements to gether then divide by 2. That gives you an average diameter. Now, Take that average diameter and multiply it by the number of layers on one side of center. Take that number and multiply it by 22 and divide it by 7. That will give you a total length. If yer calculater has a PI key you can just use that for the last step. HTH, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- Mike Rohrer wrote: > What is the calculation to figure the length of flat belting rolled up? > > Thanks > > Mike > > Mike Rohrer > > Smithsburg, Maryland USA > > Collector of Antique Farm Literature > > Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ > > If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! > > Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Jun 1 16:34:59 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:34:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Belting question? In-Reply-To: <200506011935.j51JZMC8068173@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200506012335.j51NZ2B7023954@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > What is the calculation to figure the length of flat belting > rolled up? go here: http://engines.rustyiron.com/rig/belting.html From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jun 1 16:41:08 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:41:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Belting question? In-Reply-To: <200506012233.j51MXmLL008910@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200506011935.j51JZMC8068173@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <200506012233.j51MXmLL008910@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050601193546.0d3be4e8@mail.alltel.net> Twice as long as half will also give you a good idea of the belts length. Additionally you could tell the owner of the belt that you would give him a dollar if he told you the length of the belt. As a last resort you could lay the belt out on the ground and measure it. If you then would multiply your finding by 2 you would have a pretty good idea of the total length! Dave At 06:33 PM 6/1/2005, you wrote: >Mike ,Try 3.14x dia. of each coil. Add up the sum of each calculation. You >should come pretty close. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan > >Jim O'Hagan >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Rohrer >Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:35 PM >To: 'The SEL email discussion list'; 'Steam-engine mailing list' >Subject: [SEL] Belting question? > >What is the calculation to figure the length of flat belting rolled up? > >Thanks > >Mike From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Jun 1 20:00:46 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 23:00:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engin cart OT sorta kinda maybe? Message-ID: <20050601.230051.792.15.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Leroy, Good idea - - - Just make a flat bed truck with holes drilled to fit each engine you want to haul. Of course, make the truck large enough to haul your largest engine. I have a little platform with wheels and several holes & slots to fit most any SMALL engine. I got it from a guy that worked in a Briggs shop. Makes it easier to stabilize a SMALL engine when working on it. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Jun 1 19:56:43 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 22:56:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Belting question? Message-ID: <20050601.230051.792.14.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Mike, I don't think there is a calculation for that. Being from the carpet industry - We used to use a thing that looked like a chauk line with an extension on the front with the line coming out the extension. You would stick it into the center roll and move it toward the outside wraps with the string coming out as you go. When you reached the outside flap, you pulled the string out of the roll and measured it. Primative - but - worked. On second thought - http://engines.rustyiron.com/rig/belting.html - Well - I'll be. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jun 2 05:17:48 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 05:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] associated engine question - the little ones....... In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050601193546.0d3be4e8@mail.alltel.net> References: <200506011935.j51JZMC8068173@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <200506012233.j51MXmLL008910@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050601193546.0d3be4e8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4615.165.206.180.144.1117714668.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Please see the phollowing photos and then I have these questions: A. Was this a dedicated washing machine engine? B. It's missing the exhaust fitting - can these be found? I believe it's a flange with a male pipe nipple, correct? C. Is there anything else missing? It's got the leather strap with D-ring handle intact - seems there must be a clutch that's not working as it simply turns freely - some panther piss should solve that. http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-09.jpg http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-010.jpg http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-011.jpg Thanks a metric tonne. Bill Runnells, IA From glenn.karch at gte.net Thu Jun 2 06:10:17 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 08:10:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Measuring cylinder taper Message-ID: <003401c56774$70a8b8e0$adfd123f@oemcomputer> Hi gang, I was helping Keith Kinney determine the cylinder taper on his Reid engine. We found a unique way of doing it. First you put a piston ring just into the bottom end of the cylinder and with feeler gauges, measure the ring gap. Then you slide the ring in a ways and measure the ring gap again. Slide the ring in farther and measure again. Devide the increase in the ring gap from the first one by pi (3.14) and you have the taper. Anybody else ever tried that? We then used an inside mike and obtained very similar results. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 2 06:42:51 2005 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 13:42:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Engin cart OT sorta kinda maybe? In-Reply-To: <429DB32C.9050103@udata.com> Message-ID: Howdy Leroy, They say warped minds think alike but in this case I dont know if it is good or bad. Dad had the same idea last year prior to show season. He has several different engines on wooden skids and all were a pain to load and take to shows for the same reason. He devised a cart to do what I think you are describing. It is a wood cart with a flat solid top with a slot in the middle. Any of the engines can be placed on top. Then he uses a short wood cross brace and a couple carriage bolts with wing nuts to hold it in place. Any engine with a skid can fit and be clamped down. There is a picture of it with a couple handsome dudes in the background on Lukes Portland page here. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-25.jpg There are a couple more partial photos down further on the page too. It is not perfect but it works. You still gotta lift it off the ground to put it on the cart but after that it moves around real good. If you need more pictures let me know. Ed Herreid Trevor Wisconsin ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Leroy C." Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Engin cart OT sorta kinda maybe? Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:07:56 -0400 Gday Well you fill in the missing word (s) "That sure is a __________ idea" What I need is info or ideas on an engin cart that you can load on a trailer, and set different engins on for different shows. No I do not worry about weather the cart is correct for the engin, but just for the ease of loading and a real need to unload. This cart will need to hold the engin while at the show and must keep it from falling onto the ground and help me in my lazy mood of transport. Is this realistic? thanks -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Jun 2 08:00:48 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 17:00:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] LPG valve 6hp M. Message-ID: <000701c56783$e05f5d10$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi All, Posted it already on Smokstak and since there is no traffic on the list I thought I will bring some life in the brewery :o) Did some playing with LPG gas lately to run my 6 hp M and found out she runs fine on it. When the engine was running on kerosene, I closed the needle valve and the damper plate and put the gas hose through the damper plate hole and she runs on LPG and got it down to 140 rpm. Today I made a new damper plate and soldered a lunkenheimer angle drip valve on it and had the possibility to adjust the gas flow. It works great that way, slowly turning the needle valve I could make 80 rpm. Like it much so will use it at shows once in a while I think. Images can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/lpgvalve.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jun 2 14:55:21 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:55:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] test...is it working, Dave? Message-ID: From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Jun 2 17:13:31 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 20:13:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: I've Still Got the Answering Machine Blues! Message-ID: <8d9390c40ad250093128754dfa8fa1d3@chartertn.net> I got tired of my 3 year old answering machine message, and just recorded a new one: http://guitarchat.net/modules/Media_player/Ricochet/ AnsweringMachineBluesNo2.mp3 Also at: http://oldengine.org/members/culp/AnsweringMachineBluesNo2.mp3 Obviously it's derivative of the good old Willie Dixon/Muddy Waters classic "I Just Wanna Make Love To You." Think I'll do a full length version of that soon. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu Jun 2 08:52:23 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:52:23 +0100 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Lamport Show] Message-ID: <429F2B37.E3E50D34@insulate.co.uk> For some reason, this didn't show up from this morning ... -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Jun 3 03:38:33 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 11:38:33 +0100 Subject: [SEL] test please ignore Message-ID: <003b01c56828$655e5a30$fa4c1152@no1> Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From BillMil357 at aol.com Fri Jun 3 18:40:17 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 21:40:17 EDT Subject: [SEL] Siam Show, Message-ID: Hey Men, Don't forget the SIAM Show at Evansville, Indiana June 10-11-12th, that's next weekend, it sure slipped up on me, see some of you there. Thanks, Bill Miller. Memphis, TN. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Jun 3 19:00:00 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 12:00:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <20050604015944.XYXP7650.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Is it working yet Dave? 12pm 4.6.05 Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Jun 4 06:00:19 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 23:00:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally Message-ID: <20050604130002.IWBD29926.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Who, from our illustrious membership, is heading to the Manilla rally next weekend? I am planning on going (work permitting) but I am having trouble deciding what to take :( Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From rexhinz at chorus.net Sat Jun 4 09:18:02 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 11:18:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy up and running Message-ID: <001301c56920$fec1a260$4086a5d8@mycomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:21 PM Subject: Economy up and running > Hi all; > > Finally got the 2-1/2 HP Economy running ! Wow what satisfaction , no > wounder all you collectors love the engines , I had to tug at my brain to > get the mag trip figered out but after three days of brain cramps I found > the trip rod was worn down enough that the engine would not start in the > advanced start position , you all know what I'm saying Right? anyway see the > engine pics at this link > http://client.webshots.com/photo/358308388/358331331fEWAjk > > Thanks > Rex > From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Jun 4 14:33:39 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 15:33:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Opinions welcome Message-ID: <42A21E33.1020603@earthlink.net> Hi all, Planned on some fishing today, but don't care to do it in a snow storm. Heavy rain this morning here, and snow in the high country. Decided to make some use of my indoor time and worked on the photo gallery. Thanks to the generosity of Nick Lozzi, I have a pretty good selection of Fuller and Johnson photos online with links to his site for more information. It is the go to site for Fuller and Johnson engines. I did change the format and would love opinions on the change. I am finding many that have sites specific to one type of engine. One by one I will be contacting you for permission. For now that is how I will be doing it, and I figure I have several months work with no submissions. Feel free to send me your site if you wish, and I will bookmark it for future work. This project has led me to some fantastic sites. Many of you have put a lot of work into them. My goal now is to snag a few pictures and link back to the hard work you have done. Down the road a piece I'll be more than happy to take submissions of individual engines you own. One step at a time. On record now, I am totally insane. No sane person would continue with this beating, yet I carry on. The sun is out now, and I'm outa here. Later, Jeff Allen http://oldirongallery.com/ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Jun 4 19:48:25 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 19:48:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Show Message-ID: <200506050248.j552mUip050266@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Here are some pictures from a show today. http://wapa.us/shows/sonorahigh05 From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Jun 4 22:08:01 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 22:08:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Allen Sherman auction Message-ID: <200506050508.j555830J088142@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi, Anyone going to go to the Nixon Auction In Washington in July? Jim O'Hagan From dscott at kooee.com.au Sun Jun 5 00:29:51 2005 From: dscott at kooee.com.au (dscott at kooee.com.au) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:29:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <004501c569a0$644981f0$0b01a8c0@de384b0d0c5cc4> From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jun 5 10:19:28 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 13:19:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SIAM Show - Evansville, IN Message-ID: <1117991968.42a33420157e5@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, Dave Rotigle and I are going to the SIAM Show next weekend. I was wondering how many list folks were planning on attending? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From transteck at mac.com Sun Jun 5 15:10:23 2005 From: transteck at mac.com (Jeffrey Allen) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:10:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Show In-Reply-To: <200506050248.j552mUip050266@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200506050248.j552mUip050266@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <42A3784F.70300@mac.com> Hi Rob, As always great pictures. Share with us how you set up your photos the way you do. I love it. Jeff Allen Rob Skinner wrote: >Here are some pictures from a show today. > >http://wapa.us/shows/sonorahigh05 > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Jun 5 15:20:42 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 23:20:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] associated engine question - the little ones....... References: <200506011935.j51JZMC8068173@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><200506012233.j51MXmLL008910@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050601193546.0d3be4e8@mail.alltel.net> <4615.165.206.180.144.1117714668.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <003401c56a1c$d0c18860$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: [SEL] associated engine question - the little ones....... > Please see the phollowing photos and then I have these questions: > A. Was this a dedicated washing machine engine? > B. It's missing the exhaust fitting - can these be found? I believe it's a > flange with a male pipe nipple, correct? > C. Is there anything else missing? It's got the leather strap with D-ring > handle intact - seems there must be a clutch that's not working as it > simply turns freely - some panther piss should solve that. > http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-09.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-010.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-011.jpg > Thanks a metric tonne. > Bill > Runnells, IA If you cannot see the first picture try http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-009.jpg (It must have been a Metric 0) 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rexhinz at chorus.net Sun Jun 5 15:24:28 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:24:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy up and running References: <000d01c567d1$a51a09a0$1886a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <000d01c56a1d$5708af70$1b86a5d8@mycomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "Rex Hinz" Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:17 PM Subject: : Economy up and running > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rex Hinz" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:21 PM > Subject: Economy up and running > > > > Hi all; > > > > Finally got the 2-1/2 HP Economy running ! Wow what satisfaction , no > > wounder all you collectors love the engines , I had to tug at my brain to > > get the mag trip figered out but after three days of brain cramps I found > > the trip rod was worn down enough that the engine would not start in the > > advanced start position , you all know what I'm saying Right? anyway see > the > > engine pics at this link > > http://client.webshots.com/photo/358308388/358331331fEWAjk > > > > Thanks > > Rex > > > > > From yostsw at atis.net Sun Jun 5 15:37:44 2005 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 18:37:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] List outage Message-ID: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> Many apologies to ATIS users. The recent outage was of a spotty, on-again/off-again nature and was the result of many issues, culminating in my needing a new cable run across my property. A temporary cable was stretched across the ground and ATIS was back up about 4:00 pm this afternoon. Everything is running better now than it has in a week. By the way, If anyone wonders why I pay extra for "business class" cable Internet access and have always recommended that no one run servers on a home based cable service, my experience this weekend should give you a case in point. During my problems, I had a truck here everyday, including the weekend, with a technician inside from the cable company. Always within 20 minutes of my "it's down again" call. If this was a home Internet access package, I would have some broken down sub contractor with grubby tools, prison tattoos, and no skills within maybe 3 days. How do I know? Because the latter shows up for problems with my TV and used to show up for my Internet problems before I got business class. The former shows up now. Thanks for your patience, PS: Part of the outage was because during these periods of declining service levels caused by the cable, I took the opportunity to shut down the mail software and accelerate some plans for ATIS upgrades, including security changes that include SIGNIFICANT changes to way ATIS's servers send and receive email. As usual, you can be proud that ATIS is adopting significant technologies well ahead of virtually everyone else. Some of these changes started last weekend during a short outage and the rest took place yesterday and today. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From todengine at zoominternet.net Sun Jun 5 15:54:33 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 18:54:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? References: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <02b901c56a21$8a3ce9c0$a65bef18@pengy> Who runs the ATIS Chairty Auctions? I was wondering if it would be possible to run a special charity auction to help raise some of the money to move the last few pieces of the Tod Engine from the mill. I estimate it will cost about $12,000 for the cranes and hauling, and I am hopeful to obtain a grant for a portion of that, but would need to raise the rest. This is really the last major hurdle to overcome in the restoration of the Tod Engine. We saved the old girl, purchased the land for the museum, moved 120 tons worth of parts last year and once these last parts, the 48 ton HP bedplate, 40 ton LP cylinder, 65 ton crankshaft and 8 ton HP cylinder, are moved to our site full scale reassembly of the engine can begin. I have several items that I could contribute to the chairty auction, and if a few other list members could contribute that would be great. The engine is related to steelmaking as well and I have several steel industry related items that my steel entuisuast friends would bid on as well. So who runs the chairt auctions and would this be a good enough reason to run a special auction? Thanks Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sun Jun 5 20:50:34 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:50:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] List outage In-Reply-To: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050605205011.01a809b0@mail.pennswoods.net> Thank you Spencer R Fink At 03:37 PM 6/5/2005, you wrote: >Many apologies to ATIS users. The recent outage was of a spotty, >on-again/off-again nature and was the result of many issues, culminating in >my needing a new cable run across my property. A temporary cable was >stretched across the ground and ATIS was back up about 4:00 pm this >afternoon. Everything is running better now than it has in a week. > >By the way, If anyone wonders why I pay extra for "business class" cable >Internet access and have always recommended that no one run servers on a >home based cable service, my experience this weekend should give you a case >in point. During my problems, I had a truck here everyday, including the >weekend, with a technician inside from the cable company. Always within 20 >minutes of my "it's down again" call. If this was a home Internet access >package, I would have some broken down sub contractor with grubby tools, >prison tattoos, and no skills within maybe 3 days. How do I know? >Because the latter shows up for problems with my TV and used to show up for >my Internet problems before I got business class. The former shows up >now. > >Thanks for your patience, > >PS: Part of the outage was because during these periods of declining >service levels caused by the cable, I took the opportunity to shut down the >mail software and accelerate some plans for ATIS upgrades, including >security changes that include SIGNIFICANT changes to way ATIS's servers >send and receive email. As usual, you can be proud that ATIS is adopting >significant technologies well ahead of virtually everyone else. Some of >these changes started last weekend during a short outage and the rest took >place yesterday and today. > >Spencer Yost >Owner, ATIS >Plow the Net! >http://www.atis.net > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Sun Jun 5 18:34:58 2005 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 21:34:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally Message-ID: <76B6A97B.7D361549.04B7CB00@aol.com> Patrick Ron & Joy Pearce are going but I still have my hand in plaster so won't be there. Enjoy From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Sun Jun 5 18:59:18 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:59:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally References: 29074754 Message-ID: <001601c56a3b$59bf4850$0301a8c0@Cam> Sook, can't you come and let us help you. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Manilla Rally > Patrick > Ron & Joy Pearce are going but I still have my hand in plaster so won't be > there. Enjoy > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Sun Jun 5 20:28:57 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 22:28:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] associated engine question - the little ones....... In-Reply-To: <003401c56a1c$d0c18860$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <200506060329.j563T0Dk034184@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Yes, Dave is correct, should be > http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-009.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-010.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-011.jpg Thanks. I've got pics of Sandwich trucks I'll post later to verify that as well, maybe I'll do better with accurate links. Anyway, anyone know about the above associated? Bill Runnells -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 5:21 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] associated engine question - the little ones....... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: [SEL] associated engine question - the little ones....... > Please see the phollowing photos and then I have these questions: > A. Was this a dedicated washing machine engine? > B. It's missing the exhaust fitting - can these be found? I believe it's a > flange with a male pipe nipple, correct? > C. Is there anything else missing? It's got the leather strap with D-ring > handle intact - seems there must be a clutch that's not working as it > simply turns freely - some panther piss should solve that. > http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-09.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-010.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-011.jpg > Thanks a metric tonne. > Bill > Runnells, IA If you cannot see the first picture try http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-009.jpg (It must have been a Metric 0) 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Jun 5 21:48:21 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:48:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Manilla Rally In-Reply-To: <20050604130002.IWBD29926.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <20050606044801.TRZG21093.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> It looks like there will be a good turn out of list members. I have loaded up my 2nd biggest Buzacott (the 5.5hp) and brought it home for a good clean up before heading north to Manilla :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Who, from our illustrious membership, is heading to the Manilla rally next weekend? I am planning on going (work permitting) but I am having trouble deciding what to take :( Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jun 6 00:07:35 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:07:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] associated engine question - the little ones....... References: <200506060329.j563T0Dk034184@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <017901c56a68$2732c970$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Seeing those pics, only a mother could love it!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:28 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] associated engine question - the little ones....... > Yes, Dave is correct, should be > >> http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-009.jpg >> http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-010.jpg >> http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-011.jpg From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Jun 6 00:55:35 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:55:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Show References: 28767020 Message-ID: <003c01c56a6d$1f7f40a0$0301a8c0@Cam> Nice lot of photo's Rob. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 12:48 PM Subject: [SEL] Show > Here are some pictures from a show today. > > http://wapa.us/shows/sonorahigh05 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jun 6 01:42:29 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:42:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: I've Still Got the Answering Machine Blues! References: <8d9390c40ad250093128754dfa8fa1d3@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <023c01c56a76$484e66b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Hi John. I just opened the 'song' After a lot of thought for your feelings, I can only say. "Dont give up your day job" VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 10:13 AM Subject: [SEL] OT: I've Still Got the Answering Machine Blues! >I got tired of my 3 year old answering machine message, and just recorded >a new one: http://guitarchat.net/modules/Media_player/Ricochet/ >AnsweringMachineBluesNo2.mp3 > > Also at: http://oldengine.org/members/culp/AnsweringMachineBluesNo2.mp3 > > Obviously it's derivative of the good old Willie Dixon/Muddy Waters > classic "I Just Wanna Make Love To You." Think I'll do a full length > version of that soon. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Mon Jun 6 02:53:23 2005 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 05:53:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally Message-ID: <229F6AF9.60C61F26.04B7CB00@aol.com> too bloody cold From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Jun 6 05:39:32 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:39:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally References: 29482508 Message-ID: <004d01c56a94$ca0f94d0$0301a8c0@Cam> sook sook. See you at Macksville. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Manilla Rally > too bloody cold > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Mon Jun 6 06:03:40 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 09:03:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Amish restraint laws? Message-ID: <00fc01c56a98$2969cce0$165c14d0@net.telenet.net> Question for any/all folks in areas with large Amish communities. Does anyone else have laws forbidding them to do construction or remodeling work in their areas/towns. One of the local townships (Canajoharie NY) seems to have a BIG problem with them. They passed new code laws that Specify that NO Amish building/construction or labor may be used in the township because they use "Inferior building materials and methods of construction" and because they "do not carry insurance for liability" The amazing thing is that insurance is NOT required for anyone else either. There are a LOT of outfits that do work in the town that don't carry insurance. The other item is a real joke. The barns and houses they built before this new code were all post and beam construction with fitted tenon and pin joints just like the 150+ year old barn I have here. And made out of full rough cut lumber just like it has as well. I'm thinking that the REAL reason behind it is simply MONEY. The Amish built and entire 9 room log home with an attached garage for a person in the town and did it for WELL under 30,000 dollars. And they had it built from the ground up in less than 2 months. Kind of showed up the local big shot construction outfits so I think they started spreading a bunch of lies. Anyone else have this kind of situation? Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York From falcon at telenet.net Mon Jun 6 06:09:44 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 09:09:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Measuring cylinder taper References: <003401c56774$70a8b8e0$adfd123f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <011901c56a99$02244880$165c14d0@net.telenet.net> Yep. The only thing I do different is using the piston to push the ring through the bore so the ring stays square, and measuring every 1/2" Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn A Karch" To: Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:10 AM Subject: [SEL] Measuring cylinder taper > Hi gang, > > I was helping Keith Kinney determine the cylinder taper on his Reid engine. > We found a unique way of doing it. First you put a piston ring just into > the bottom end of the cylinder and with feeler gauges, measure the ring gap. > Then you slide the ring in a ways and measure the ring gap again. Slide the > ring in farther and measure again. Devide the increase in the ring gap from > the first one by pi (3.14) and you have the taper. Anybody else ever tried > that? We then used an inside mike and obtained very similar results. > > Glenn > > Glenn Karch > Haubstadt, IN, USA > Hercules Historian > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mtucker at uky.edu Mon Jun 6 06:06:02 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 09:06:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SIAM Show - Evansville, IN In-Reply-To: <1117991968.42a33420157e5@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1117991968.42a33420157e5@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: >Dave Rotigle and I are going to the SIAM Show next weekend. I was >wondering how >many list folks were planning on attending? Lincoln and I will definitely be there with the Foos and MacCleod. Susan is thinking about it but she may need a little friendly encouragement from some of you folks! See ya', Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jun 6 06:23:12 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 06:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Amish restraint laws? In-Reply-To: <00fc01c56a98$2969cce0$165c14d0@net.telenet.net> References: <00fc01c56a98$2969cce0$165c14d0@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <1656.165.206.180.102.1118064192.squirrel@antique-engines.com> That's a bunch of crap. Ask anyone around Kalona, Iowa. Although they don't profess to have "pride" as such, they are very mindful of the quality of their work. In other words, they care, and anything they make, I'd be happy to own as being of good quality. How many Amish-built homes and barns from 100 years ago are still around today? How many "Rape and Pillage Construction Company, Inc." built homes built 50 years ago are around today? It's a matter of money. The Amish will do it cheaper and better and they know it! Bill > Question for any/all folks in areas with large Amish communities. > Does anyone else have laws forbidding them to do construction or > remodeling work in their areas/towns. > One of the local townships (Canajoharie NY) seems to have a BIG problem > with them. They passed new code laws that Specify that NO Amish > building/construction or labor may be used in the township because they > use "Inferior building materials and methods of construction" and > because they "do not carry insurance for liability" The amazing thing is > that insurance is NOT required for anyone else either. There are a LOT > of outfits that do work in the town that don't carry insurance. The > other item is a real joke. The barns and houses they built before this > new code were all post and beam construction with fitted tenon and pin > joints just like the 150+ year old barn I have here. And made out of > full rough cut lumber just like it has as well. I'm thinking that the > REAL reason behind it is simply MONEY. The Amish built and entire 9 room > log home with an attached garage for a person in the town and did it for > WELL under 30,000 dollars. And they had it built from the ground up in > less than 2 months. Kind of showed up the local big shot construction > outfits so I think they started spreading a bunch of lies. > > Anyone else have this kind of situation? > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jun 6 08:25:47 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] SIAM Show - Evansville, IN In-Reply-To: References: <1117991968.42a33420157e5@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Cripes Mike, A weekend of hugs & kisses? How much MORE encouragement does Susan need???? 8->> See ya, Arnie On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Michael Tucker wrote: > Lincoln and I will definitely be there with the Foos and MacCleod. > Susan is thinking about it but she may need a little friendly > encouragement from some of you folks! From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Jun 6 08:25:11 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:25:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Amish restraint laws? Message-ID: <20050606.112631.208.5.jlb94@juno.com> Can't say I have the situation. But, I've always had a deep admiration for the Amish. This is nothing more than 21st Century Asshole thinking. $$$$$$$$$$$$ is the issue. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Jun 6 08:44:53 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:44:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals Message-ID: <20050606.114456.208.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, Does anyone have any idea where I might be able to obtain oversized axle seals for my truck ? 1972 Ford - F-250 4x4. The seal surfaces don't seem to be worn any more than normal - and - don't seem so bad they should leak but stock seals just don't do the job. It's a problem I've had for years and I'm getting quite tired of always trying to find a level area to park in and always cleaning my brakes before going to shows. Lately I've been applying grease to the seal surfaces before installing the drums. It seems to help some but not a cure. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jun 6 09:13:36 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 12:13:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals In-Reply-To: <20050606.114456.208.6.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050606.114456.208.6.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <42A47630.4090608@imc-group.com> Joe, Do you have a Dixie Bearings (Applied Ind. Tec) in your town? I believe there is a Redi-Sleeve product made to address this problem on your truck. It's a thin sleeve that goes over the axle shafts and a new seal. Part of the sleeve breaks off after installation. Anyway it is a kit designed to address the problem you are having. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Joseph L Betz wrote: >Hi List, > >Does anyone have any idea where I might be able to obtain >oversized axle seals for my truck ? > >1972 Ford - F-250 4x4. > >The seal surfaces don't seem to be worn any more than normal - and - >don't seem >so bad they should leak but stock seals just don't do the job. > >It's a problem I've had for years and I'm getting quite tired of always >trying to find a level area to park in and always cleaning my brakes >before >going to shows. > >Lately I've been applying grease to the seal surfaces before installing >the drums. >It seems to help some but not a cure. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 09:15:45 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:15:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals In-Reply-To: <20050606.114456.208.6.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050606.114456.208.6.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160506060915352eb1f8@mail.gmail.com> On 6/6/05, Joseph L Betz wrote: > Hi List, > > Does anyone have any idea where I might be able to obtain > oversized axle seals for my truck ? > > 1972 Ford - F-250 4x4. > > The seal surfaces don't seem to be worn any more than normal - and - > don't seem > so bad they should leak but stock seals just don't do the job. > > It's a problem I've had for years and I'm getting quite tired of always > trying to find a level area to park in and always cleaning my brakes > before > going to shows. > > Lately I've been applying grease to the seal surfaces before installing > the drums. > It seems to help some but not a cure. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Joe: Have you tried a different type of seal? Years ago we changed from plastic lip seals to an older leather spring-loaded type which gave better duty on a truck axle. Second-source parts places can often give you a dimensionally similar seal with better performance. Moving the seal a 1/16" in or out can allow the lip to run on a fresh area on the axle tube, that can also improve seal oil retention. We did this on some Scania rear main seals that wore a groove in the crank end, and a new seal just sat in the same groove, so a move helped to find a new wearing surface. Last thing: Putting a new seal face in the form of a sleeve onto the axle tube can help, especially if it is a thin sleeve held on with loctite so you can get it off again if necessary. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jun 6 09:40:37 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 09:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals In-Reply-To: <20050606.114456.208.6.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050606.114456.208.6.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <2030.165.206.180.102.1118076037.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Hey, Joe - how's the vent on that axle? If it's plugged, even good seals might leak. Can you put a new seal over the axle and see how snug it fits? Doe these seals have the wire spring in them pushing the seal lip against the axle? This may be stupid, and don't take me wrong 'cuz I know you ain't dumb, but is it possible that your case is a bit too full? Bill > Hi List, > > Does anyone have any idea where I might be able to obtain > oversized axle seals for my truck ? > > 1972 Ford - F-250 4x4. > > The seal surfaces don't seem to be worn any more than normal - and - > don't seem > so bad they should leak but stock seals just don't do the job. > > It's a problem I've had for years and I'm getting quite tired of always > trying to find a level area to park in and always cleaning my brakes > before > going to shows. > > Lately I've been applying grease to the seal surfaces before installing > the drums. > It seems to help some but not a cure. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nick at holden1.net Mon Jun 6 10:09:59 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:09:59 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] test References: <004501c569a0$644981f0$0b01a8c0@de384b0d0c5cc4> Message-ID: <42A48367.000001.04092@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> its ok now Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: dscott at kooee.com.au Date: 06/05/05 21:45:21 To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] test _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nick at holden1.net Mon Jun 6 11:49:45 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 19:49:45 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals References: <42A47630.4090608@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42A49AC9.000005.04092@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Joe i have used the seals Curt is talking about in all sizes up to using them on a cat D8 crank shaft and they can be very good but you also need to clean the shaft with emery paper ore i have found to my cost that they will always leek nick Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: Curt Date: 06/06/05 17:35:48 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals Joe, Do you have a Dixie Bearings (Applied Ind. Tec) in your town? I believe there is a Redi-Sleeve product made to address this problem on your truck. It's a thin sleeve that goes over the axle shafts and a new seal. Part of the sleeve breaks off after installation. Anyway it is a kit designed to address the problem you are having. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Joseph L Betz wrote: >Hi List, > >Does anyone have any idea where I might be able to obtain >oversized axle seals for my truck ? > >1972 Ford - F-250 4x4. > >The seal surfaces don't seem to be worn any more than normal - and - >don't seem >so bad they should leak but stock seals just don't do the job. > >It's a problem I've had for years and I'm getting quite tired of always >trying to find a level area to park in and always cleaning my brakes >before >going to shows. > >Lately I've been applying grease to the seal surfaces before installing >the drums. >It seems to help some but not a cure. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Jun 6 12:14:38 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:14:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals Message-ID: <20050606.121439.120.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Joe. First check to see if the seals are the right ones. I had a '73 Chevy 4x4 that every time I checked the front spindles, they were full of junk. After replacing them several times I checked and the ID was too big. After I put the correct seals in problem solved. Second try a ready selve, or a seal saver. A thin stainless steel selve that resurfaces the inner race and makes it slightly oversize. Good luck. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:44:53 -0400 Joseph L Betz writes: > Hi List, > > Does anyone have any idea where I might be able to obtain > oversized axle seals for my truck ? > > 1972 Ford - F-250 4x4. > > The seal surfaces don't seem to be worn any more than normal - and > - > don't seem > so bad they should leak but stock seals just don't do the job. > > It's a problem I've had for years and I'm getting quite tired of > always > trying to find a level area to park in and always cleaning my > brakes > before > going to shows. > > Lately I've been applying grease to the seal surfaces before > installing > the drums. > It seems to help some but not a cure. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jun 6 12:14:44 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:14:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor Update 6/6/05 Message-ID: <42A4A0A4.9010907@imc-group.com> Devin poured his first babbitt bearings this weekend when he poured the mains on his little Baker Monitor engine. On this link at the bottom. Look for the 6/6/05 update: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html Hope you enjoy. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Jun 6 12:48:25 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 21:48:25 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor Update 6/6/05 References: <42A4A0A4.9010907@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000b01c56ad0$b7670110$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Interesting write up Curt, Devin has a good teacher so to see. In a few years he will do it all alone I guess. Great job that way. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > Devin poured his first babbitt bearings this weekend when he poured the > mains on his little Baker Monitor engine. On this link at the bottom. > Look for the 6/6/05 update: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html > > Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From ivancou at alltel.net Mon Jun 6 13:38:02 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 16:38:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals References: <20050606.114456.208.6.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <003201c56ad7$a2baef40$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Joe , are you using genuine Ford or others ? Yes its the wrong brand but I have found out by accident that the Chevy seal for the axle is a three lip seal , the one from the local NAPA is a single . Makes a BIG difference ! Been there ,done that . Ivan From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Jun 6 14:15:34 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:15:34 EDT Subject: [SEL] Measuring cylinder taper Message-ID: <45.29ab3fd8.2fd616f6@aol.com> In a message dated 6/5/2005 5:18:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, glenn.karch at gte.net writes: << First you put a piston ring just into the bottom end of the cylinder and with feeler gauges, measure the ring gap. >> Glenn, This is a good way to measure taper in a cylinder assuming it is round as the ring will average the diameter. If there is any ovalness to the cylinder, then using the ring method will not take that into account. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 6 16:28:13 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 16:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Economy up and running In-Reply-To: <000701c56659$0e7c8050$7686a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <20050606232813.51113.qmail@web31306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Very nice job, Rex. Who's garage is it anyway??? A little red paint on the garage wouldn't hurt anything. 8>)) Yup, I sure do get excited every time I fire one up that has been silent for many years. I really like the MacLeod I bought at Portland last year, but all I needed to do was re-work what some P.O. called a check valve. I am happy to have it, but it is just an engine to me. Others that I have brought back to life are a lot more dear to me. I just don't choose to paint them that pretty fot the most part. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- Rex Hinz wrote: > Hi all; > > Finally got the 2-1/2 HP Economy running ! Wow what satisfaction , no > wounder all you collectors love the engines , I had to tug at my brain to > get the mag trip figered out but after three days of brain cramps I found > the trip rod was worn down enough that the engine would not start in the > advanced start position , you all know what I'm saying Right? anyway see the > engine pics at this link > http://client.webshots.com/photo/358308388/358331331fEWAjk > > Thanks > Rex > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Mon Jun 6 16:36:26 2005 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 19:36:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally Message-ID: <0CEA4127.46023185.04B7CB00@aol.com> Wouldn't miss it for quids From rexhinz at chorus.net Mon Jun 6 18:13:33 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:13:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy up and running References: <20050606232813.51113.qmail@web31306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c56afe$220d46a0$5986a5d8@mycomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" > > Who's garage is it anyway??? > A little red paint on the garage wouldn't hurt anything. 8>)) > Sure Alan easy for you to say but I married a little Red Head that can make more noise then all my engines running at the same time . And she can shoot a gun ! :-}}} I also like engines in their origanal paint but the Economy was far too gone for me , and thanks for the reply , I think this engine was converted from low tension to the Wico as the engine is 1918 and the mag trip has 1923 stamped on it Rex _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Jun 6 18:32:36 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 21:32:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals In-Reply-To: <6f6025160506060915352eb1f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050606.114456.208.6.jlb94@juno.com> <6f6025160506060915352eb1f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6479531af5d43990842b0ae86874d97f@chartertn.net> Thought this'd be a thread about walruses. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Jun 6 18:32:59 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 19:32:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor Update 6/6/05 References: <42A4A0A4.9010907@imc-group.com> Message-ID: As usual.great shots!! So it looks like the main casting nor the dummy shaft were not heated up very much. Is that the babbitrite burning? Good job guys! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:14 PM Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor Update 6/6/05 > Devin poured his first babbitt bearings this weekend when he poured the > mains on his little Baker Monitor engine. On this link at the bottom. > Look for the 6/6/05 update: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html > > Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Jun 6 18:26:23 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 21:26:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SIAM Show - Evansville, IN Message-ID: <20050606.214002.1048.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Arnie, You missed a good show at Hit & Miss in Orwell, OH. Great weather - some selling some buying - good times around the camp fire. Just a really good time. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From reb at apex.net Mon Jun 6 19:04:18 2005 From: reb at apex.net (REB) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 21:04:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SIAM Show - Evansville, IN References: <1117991968.42a33420157e5@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <004c01c56b05$37054d30$0202a8c0@Dads> Will be there but don't let Dave run off and leave his suspenders at home this year, about had a crisis! Dick Bauer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old_Engine" Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 12:19 PM Subject: [SEL] SIAM Show - Evansville, IN > Hi Folks, > > Dave Rotigle and I are going to the SIAM Show next weekend. I was > wondering how > many list folks were planning on attending? > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Jun 6 19:09:45 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:09:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals Message-ID: <20050606.220952.1048.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, Thanks for all who responded to my question about oversized axle seals. I will try to respond to most of the responces with this one e-mail as not to drag this OT too long. Bill - I have not checked the vent but imagine it's clear. New seals are no tighter than the old. They are not real tight but I don't notice any real ridges on the seal surfaces. I try to keep my fluid about 1" below the fill hole in the housing. Figuring any lower might be too low. Normally, I don't care tooo much about this leakage. However, now that the season is in full swing and I'm traveling Turnpikes and such to shows, If there should be a misshap - and the Government Man decides to check brakes - - - I'm dead because there is oil on the brakes. = = = = = = Curt, I have heard of these "Redi-Sleeve" things but never seen them. I'll need to investigate and see if I can obtain them from my local Auto Parts. = = = = = Ivan - No - they are NOT "Genuine" parts. Maybe a stop at the Ford Dealer might be in order. = = = = Peter - Moving the seal 1/16" in or out sounds like an idea but I don't think it'll help much. As I said, I don't think the seal surfaces are that worn. As for a different type seal - - - I usually buy the same seal every time. I've been using my local CarQuest Auto Parts. = = = = = Ron - I imagine the seals are the right ones. This is a problem that is reoccuring no matter what brand of seals I get. I might call Gipson Bearing and see if I can order seals by size. Thanks again all - Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Jun 6 20:12:56 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 23:12:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show References: <200506050248.j552mUip050266@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000c01c56b0e$cd8225e0$98668645@carolina.rr.com> Thanks for sharing Rob, great shots as usual. Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 10:48 PM Subject: [SEL] Show > Here are some pictures from a show today. > > http://wapa.us/shows/sonorahigh05 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jun 6 20:36:29 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:36:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals In-Reply-To: <20050606.220952.1048.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <200506070336.j573aVD5097010@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Joe - I like the ideas a couple of them had about the seal kits. I've used them on the harmonic balancers of car engines - it's a stainless sleeve you push on and it's held with loctite. If there is any wear or groove, etc. this takes care of it, not to mention it builds the shaft a slight bit. It's worth a shot. I figured you have the basic bases covered, but you know, had to ask anyway........ You run the fluid level about perfect. 3/4 to 1 inch down is what I've always done. Basically, to first joint on little finger. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Joseph L Betz Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 9:10 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals Hi List, Thanks for all who responded to my question about oversized axle seals. I will try to respond to most of the responces with this one e-mail as not to drag this OT too long. Bill - I have not checked the vent but imagine it's clear. New seals are no tighter than the old. They are not real tight but I don't notice any real ridges on the seal surfaces. I try to keep my fluid about 1" below the fill hole in the housing. Figuring any lower might be too low. Normally, I don't care tooo much about this leakage. However, now that the season is in full swing and I'm traveling Turnpikes and such to shows, If there should be a misshap - and the Government Man decides to check brakes - - - I'm dead because there is oil on the brakes. = = = = = = Curt, I have heard of these "Redi-Sleeve" things but never seen them. I'll need to investigate and see if I can obtain them from my local Auto Parts. = = = = = Ivan - No - they are NOT "Genuine" parts. Maybe a stop at the Ford Dealer might be in order. = = = = Peter - Moving the seal 1/16" in or out sounds like an idea but I don't think it'll help much. As I said, I don't think the seal surfaces are that worn. As for a different type seal - - - I usually buy the same seal every time. I've been using my local CarQuest Auto Parts. = = = = = Ron - I imagine the seals are the right ones. This is a problem that is reoccuring no matter what brand of seals I get. I might call Gipson Bearing and see if I can order seals by size. Thanks again all - Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu Jun 2 03:31:29 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:31:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Lamport Show Message-ID: <429EE001.12C7619B@insulate.co.uk> Hi All I've FINALLY got the pages uploaded for Lamport last weekend. I had real trouble with uploading to oldengine.org, so you may find that some links / pics don't work - if so, let me know. http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/lamport05.htm Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Jun 7 00:48:15 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 09:48:15 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Lamport Show References: <429EE001.12C7619B@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <000701c56b35$475d9040$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Dolly, Your Lamport site works great, interesting pics un/uploading Tillie. One or two big engines more and Jim has to buy that nice lifting truck :o) Thanks for sharing. John H. > Hi All > > I've FINALLY got the pages uploaded for Lamport last weekend. I had > real trouble with uploading to oldengine.org, so you may find that some > links / pics don't work - if so, let me know. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/lamport05.htm > > Dolly From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Tue Jun 7 02:52:40 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:52:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor Update 6/6/05 References: 29850016 Message-ID: <002a01c56b46$a4bed620$0301a8c0@Cam> Hi Curt and Devin, It's looking good and coming together now, you are doing a great job Devin. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 5:14 AM Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor Update 6/6/05 > Devin poured his first babbitt bearings this weekend when he poured the > mains on his little Baker Monitor engine. On this link at the bottom. Look > for the 6/6/05 update: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html > > Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Tue Jun 7 03:05:53 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:05:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Lamport Show References: 30330856 Message-ID: <005301c56b48$7d9d5f10$0301a8c0@Cam> Looked like a great show and great pictures too. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Lamport Show > Hi All > > I've FINALLY got the pages uploaded for Lamport last weekend. I had > real trouble with uploading to oldengine.org, so you may find that some > links / pics don't work - if so, let me know. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/lamport05.htm > > Dolly > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue Jun 7 06:21:02 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 06:21:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals In-Reply-To: <20050606.220952.1048.3.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050606.220952.1048.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050607061716.01a9c4a0@mail.pennswoods.net> Joe for what it is worth. I have worked on a lot of ford 250-350 trucks with the same problem. Check the vent FIRST If not plugged get the speedy sleeves in stall with some locktite. If they don't have them in your area let me know i will pick up a pair for you. R Fink At 07:09 PM 6/6/2005, you wrote: >Hi List, >Thanks for all who responded to my question about oversized axle seals. >I will try to respond to most of the responces with this one e-mail as >not to drag this OT too long. > >Bill - I have not checked the vent but imagine it's clear. New seals are >no tighter than the old. >They are not real tight but I don't notice any real ridges on the seal >surfaces. > >I try to keep my fluid about 1" below the fill hole in the housing. >Figuring any lower might be too low. > >Normally, I don't care tooo much about this leakage. However, now that >the season is in full swing and I'm traveling Turnpikes and such to >shows, If there should be a misshap - and the Government Man decides >to check brakes - - - I'm dead because there is oil on the brakes. >= = = = = = >Curt, >I have heard of these "Redi-Sleeve" things but never seen them. I'll >need to investigate and see if I >can obtain them from my local Auto Parts. >= = = = = >Ivan - No - they are NOT "Genuine" parts. Maybe a stop at the Ford >Dealer might be in order. >= = = = >Peter - Moving the seal 1/16" in or out sounds like an idea but I don't >think it'll help much. >As I said, I don't think the seal surfaces are that worn. >As for a different type seal - - - I usually buy the same seal every >time. I've been using my local >CarQuest Auto Parts. >= = = = = >Ron - I imagine the seals are the right ones. This is a problem that is >reoccuring no matter >what brand of seals I get. >I might call Gipson Bearing and see if I can order seals by size. > >Thanks again all - > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 04:54:44 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 04:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT-Amish Restraint Laws Message-ID: <20050607115444.6267.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> Boy, that is a new one on me! I don?t know too much about the Amish, but from what I do know and from what other people have told me, they are a rather admirable bunch of folks and normally not a detriment to the community, except when they don?t hang lamps on the backs of their buggies at night and cause traffic accidents by being rear-ended. About the anti-Amish work laws, personally, I think it is a disgrace! It is clearly an infringement of their Constitutional rights to be free of persecution based on religion. I know that the laws get around that by using the excuse of ?inferior materials and construction methods?, but as has been quite adequately explained already, the ?proof is in the pudding?! There are plenty of 150-year-old Amish structures around as examples of their ?inferior craft?. Unscrupulous people do take advantage of the Amish all the time because they take quite seriously the Biblical admonition of ?turning the other cheek? and they will not defend themselves, and it looks like the anti-Amish laws will go unchallenged from the Amish quarter and it will take a non-Amish advocate to challenge the laws on their behalf. In the 1994 Northridge Quake here in Southern California, there were tens of thousands of badly damaged and destroyed homes throughout the area. The Amish came here as fast they could by whatever antiquated means they found acceptable for the long distances they had to travel. Then they went through the quake-ravaged neighborhoods performing the antiquated but time-honored activity of house-raising bees rebuilding and repairing the homes of low income and elderly folks for free. Under those circumstances, if anyone had complained about the Amish being here, the complainers would have stood a very good chance of getting treated to another time-honored antiquated activity - - - they would have been tarred, feathered, and ridden out of town on a rail! Work and play safely, Rich Allen From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jun 7 06:25:34 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:25:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor Update 6/6/05 In-Reply-To: References: <42A4A0A4.9010907@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42A5A04E.7060606@imc-group.com> Rick, Yup they were heated with the rosebud. Used one of those infrared heat guns to check temps and the bearing saddles were about 530?F and the dummy shaft near that too. Hard not to heat it all. Things were probably a little too warm as the Babbittrite was starting to self ignite. Yes that is what was burning in the picture. Curt Richard Strobel wrote: >As usual.great shots!! So it looks like the main casting nor the dummy >shaft were not heated up very much. Is that the babbitrite burning? > > Good job guys! > >RickinMt. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Curt" >To: "SEL" >Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:14 PM >Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor Update 6/6/05 > > > > >>Devin poured his first babbitt bearings this weekend when he poured the >>mains on his little Baker Monitor engine. On this link at the bottom. >>Look for the 6/6/05 update: >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html >> >>Hope you enjoy. >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Jun 7 10:28:31 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:28:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT-Amish Restraint Laws In-Reply-To: <20050607115444.6267.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050607115444.6267.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42A5D93F.6070905@scrtc.com> Rich, Not all Amish build the high quality work you mention. We have 2 sects or clans of Amish in our area. One group is very neat and orderly. They live in the nice white houses with the neat barns out back. What ever they tell you, bank on it as it will be that way. They are expert craftsmen who build cabinets, homes, barns, install windows and doors, etc. You couldn't ask for a better group to call neighbors or part of the community. The other group is quite the opposite. If you take logs to them to be sawed, you may get the lumber from the log you took, maybe not. I've also seen rather large logs produce rather small piles of lumber. They're not beyond puchasing a piece of antique equipment, only to "forget" to ever pay for it. We've even had some incarcerated in jail. If you've never had to lock up an Amish, you're missing an experience. I'm making these comments as we tend to view ALL Amish as expert craftsmen seeking a simpler way of life who are . Most are and are assets to a community. However, they mirror the rest of society in that some aren't. From Steve's initial post, it sounds like the Amish he mentions fall into the former rather than latter group that I talk about and are a plus to his area. But, there may be some in his area that aren't. Here in KY we have a Workmans Comp law that requires all contractors to be covered under a workers comp insurance policy. Before the law, the home/property owner assumed all liability for any worker's injuries suffered on his premises in the absence of workers comp coverage. For example, if a worker fell off of a roof and broke his leg and didn't have workers comp, the homeowners policy covered the incident up to its limits, then the homeowner's pocket book kicked in from that point forward. If a permanent injury was suffered by the individual, the homeowner could be looking a ongoing costs for many years. We've had discussion at great length on the SEL about the need for insurance. No one, Amish or otherwise, is working on my home or property without it. The inferior materials issue that Steve mentions probably go back to building codes. For example, only treated wood can be used where it comes in contact with the ground. Also, many homes must be constructed with materials meeting certain grades as required by mortgage lenders, to receive home owner warranties, etc. I would suspect most of the Amish materials are ungraded. Most are good people and a plus. Some aren't though and sadly the laws that keep them straight apply to the good folks as well. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Boy, that is a new one on me! I don?t know too much about the Amish, >but from what I do know and from what other people have told me, they >are a rather admirable bunch of folks and normally not a detriment to >the community, except when they don?t hang lamps on the backs of their >buggies at night and cause traffic accidents by being rear-ended. > >About the anti-Amish work laws, personally, I think it is a disgrace! >It is clearly an infringement of their Constitutional rights to be free >of persecution based on religion. I know that the laws get around that >by using the excuse of ?inferior materials and construction methods?, >but as has been quite adequately explained already, the ?proof is in >the pudding?! There are plenty of 150-year-old Amish structures around >as examples of their ?inferior craft?. Unscrupulous people do take >advantage of the Amish all the time because they take quite seriously >the Biblical admonition of ?turning the other cheek? and they will not >defend themselves, and it looks like the anti-Amish laws will go >unchallenged from the Amish quarter and it will take a non-Amish >advocate to challenge the laws on their behalf. > >In the 1994 Northridge Quake here in Southern California, there were >tens of thousands of badly damaged and destroyed homes throughout the >area. The Amish came here as fast they could by whatever antiquated >means they found acceptable for the long distances they had to travel. >Then they went through the quake-ravaged neighborhoods performing the >antiquated but time-honored activity of house-raising bees rebuilding >and repairing the homes of low income and elderly folks for free. Under >those circumstances, if anyone had complained about the Amish being >here, the complainers would have stood a very good chance of getting >treated to another time-honored antiquated activity - - - they would >have been tarred, feathered, and ridden out of town on a rail! > >Work and play safely, > >Rich Allen > > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jun 7 11:45:09 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:45:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? In-Reply-To: <02b901c56a21$8a3ce9c0$a65bef18@pengy> References: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> <02b901c56a21$8a3ce9c0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <42A5EB35.7030809@imc-group.com> Rick, Might it be possible to circumvent the effort that putting on the Charity Auction presents? If you need money for the project just _ask_, and tell us how much. How many are on the SEL right now? If we each ante-up what's that work out to each? Curt Tod Engine wrote: > Who runs the ATIS Chairty Auctions? I was wondering if it would be > possible to run a special charity auction to help raise some of the > money to move the last few pieces of the Tod Engine from the mill. I > estimate it will cost about $12,000 for the cranes and hauling, and I > am hopeful to obtain a grant for a portion of that, but would need to > raise the rest. > > This is really the last major hurdle to overcome in the restoration of > the Tod Engine. We saved the old girl, purchased the land for the > museum, moved 120 tons worth of parts last year and once these last > parts, the 48 ton HP bedplate, 40 ton LP cylinder, 65 ton crankshaft > and 8 ton HP cylinder, are moved to our site full scale reassembly of > the engine can begin. > > I have several items that I could contribute to the chairty auction, > and if a few other list members could contribute that would be great. > The engine is related to steelmaking as well and I have several steel > industry related items that my steel entuisuast friends would bid on > as well. > > So who runs the chairt auctions and would this be a good enough reason > to run a special auction? > From falcon at telenet.net Tue Jun 7 11:32:49 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:32:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT-Amish Restraint Laws References: <20050607115444.6267.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> <42A5D93F.6070905@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <016f01c56b93$30092f40$611117d1@net.telenet.net> Tommy, Some very good points in that post. Most of the Amish in this area are all good folks. The problem is that the new laws as enacted are based solely on the people being Amish, NOT poor craftsmen or bad folks. The new codes specify Amish by name not just stating that you cannot use ungraded lumber or must use treated lumber. The local Amish will build entirely using store bought lumber if you want them to. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT-Amish Restraint Laws > Rich, > > Not all Amish build the high quality work you mention. We have 2 sects > or clans of Amish in our area. One group is very neat and orderly. They > live in the nice white houses with the neat barns out back. What ever > they tell you, bank on it as it will be that way. They are expert > craftsmen who build cabinets, homes, barns, install windows and doors, > etc. You couldn't ask for a better group to call neighbors or part of > the community. The other group is quite the opposite. If you take logs > to them to be sawed, you may get the lumber from the log you took, maybe > not. I've also seen rather large logs produce rather small piles of > lumber. They're not beyond puchasing a piece of antique equipment, only > to "forget" to ever pay for it. We've even had some incarcerated in > jail. If you've never had to lock up an Amish, you're missing an > experience. I'm making these comments as we tend to view ALL Amish as > expert craftsmen seeking a simpler way of life who are . Most are and > are assets to a community. However, they mirror the rest of society in > that some aren't. From Steve's initial post, it sounds like the Amish he > mentions fall into the former rather than latter group that I talk about > and are a plus to his area. But, there may be some in his area that > aren't. Here in KY we have a Workmans Comp law that requires all > contractors to be covered under a workers comp insurance policy. Before > the law, the home/property owner assumed all liability for any worker's > injuries suffered on his premises in the absence of workers comp > coverage. For example, if a worker fell off of a roof and broke his leg > and didn't have workers comp, the homeowners policy covered the incident > up to its limits, then the homeowner's pocket book kicked in from that > point forward. If a permanent injury was suffered by the individual, the > homeowner could be looking a ongoing costs for many years. We've had > discussion at great length on the SEL about the need for insurance. No > one, Amish or otherwise, is working on my home or property without it. > The inferior materials issue that Steve mentions probably go back to > building codes. For example, only treated wood can be used where it > comes in contact with the ground. Also, many homes must be constructed > with materials meeting certain grades as required by mortgage lenders, > to receive home owner warranties, etc. I would suspect most of the Amish > materials are ungraded. Most are good people and a plus. Some aren't > though and sadly the laws that keep them straight apply to the good > folks as well. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > >Boy, that is a new one on me! I dont know too much about the Amish, > >but from what I do know and from what other people have told me, they > >are a rather admirable bunch of folks and normally not a detriment to > >the community, except when they dont hang lamps on the backs of their > >buggies at night and cause traffic accidents by being rear-ended. > > > >About the anti-Amish work laws, personally, I think it is a disgrace! > >It is clearly an infringement of their Constitutional rights to be free > >of persecution based on religion. I know that the laws get around that > >by using the excuse of inferior materials and construction methods, > >but as has been quite adequately explained already, the proof is in > >the pudding! There are plenty of 150-year-old Amish structures around > >as examples of their inferior craft. Unscrupulous people do take > >advantage of the Amish all the time because they take quite seriously > >the Biblical admonition of turning the other cheek and they will not > >defend themselves, and it looks like the anti-Amish laws will go > >unchallenged from the Amish quarter and it will take a non-Amish > >advocate to challenge the laws on their behalf. > > > >In the 1994 Northridge Quake here in Southern California, there were > >tens of thousands of badly damaged and destroyed homes throughout the > >area. The Amish came here as fast they could by whatever antiquated > >means they found acceptable for the long distances they had to travel. > >Then they went through the quake-ravaged neighborhoods performing the > >antiquated but time-honored activity of house-raising bees rebuilding > >and repairing the homes of low income and elderly folks for free. Under > >those circumstances, if anyone had complained about the Amish being > >here, the complainers would have stood a very good chance of getting > >treated to another time-honored antiquated activity - - - they would > >have been tarred, feathered, and ridden out of town on a rail! > > > >Work and play safely, > > > >Rich Allen > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue Jun 7 12:21:29 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:21:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? In-Reply-To: <42A5EB35.7030809@imc-group.com> References: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> <02b901c56a21$8a3ce9c0$a65bef18@pengy> <42A5EB35.7030809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6pgUxjd5OfpCFwOC@loud-n-clear.net> Hi chaps In message <42A5EB35.7030809 at imc-group.com>, Curt writes >If you need money for the project just _ask_, I'd cough up. Can't afford a lot, but could put a couple of C-notes in. >and tell us how much. I thought he did, $12,000 seems to ring a bell. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Jun 7 13:21:47 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:21:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT-Amish Restraint Laws In-Reply-To: <016f01c56b93$30092f40$611117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <20050607115444.6267.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> <42A5D93F.6070905@scrtc.com> <016f01c56b93$30092f40$611117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <42A601DB.1080706@scrtc.com> Steve, If they specifically single out the Amish, they are way off base. I don't think it would ever hold up to a challenge. But, thats the catch, the Amish don't want to go to court. Someone may on their behalf however. It sounds as if the local political powers that be haven't received any campaign contributions from the Amish..... I spent some time with an Amish family in Lagootee, IN when I was young. Quite an experience not having hot running water (they did have running water as they pumped it into a tank that sat in the attic and then it would gravity feed down), a TV set, electric lights, etc. But, I do remember sitting around at night after eating and everyone talking about the day, family, etc. Quite peaceful and quite a change from what I was used to. It gave me a perspective of what America was like 150 years ago, even before the old iron came along. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Tommy, > Some very good points in that post. Most of the Amish in this area are >all good folks. The problem is that the new laws as enacted are based >solely on the people being Amish, NOT poor craftsmen or bad folks. The >new codes specify Amish by name not just stating that you cannot use >ungraded lumber or must use treated lumber. The local Amish will build >entirely using store bought lumber if you want them to. > > >Steve Williams > > > > From BillMil357 at aol.com Tue Jun 7 13:54:59 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:54:59 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT-Amish Restraint Laws Message-ID: <1ee.3d42ef04.2fd763a3@aol.com> Hi Tommy, Click on the link below and see if this pump is the type they used to pump water up in the attic. Are you going to be at the SIAM show this weekend, I met you there about 4 or 5 years ago, and the only time I ever saw you, _http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV_ (http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV) See'ya, Bill Miller. Memphis, TN. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Jun 7 15:58:57 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 18:58:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT-Amish Restraint Laws In-Reply-To: <1ee.3d42ef04.2fd763a3@aol.com> References: <1ee.3d42ef04.2fd763a3@aol.com> Message-ID: <42A626B1.2010202@scrtc.com> Bill, it looked very similar. I remember the long handle and one of the older boys, maybe 14 or 15, pumping for what seemed like 20 minutes to fill the tank. I don't know how big the tank was but would guess it was around 20 gallons or possibly a little larger. I might make it to SIAM on Friday. I doubt that I can on Sat. Maybe I'll get to see you and some of the gang there. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi Tommy, > >Click on the link below and see if this pump is the type they used to pump >water up in the attic. Are you going to be at the SIAM show this weekend, I met > you there about 4 or 5 years ago, and the only time I ever saw you, > >_http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV_ >(http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV) > >See'ya, > >Bill Miller. >Memphis, TN. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Jun 7 15:59:45 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:59:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? In-Reply-To: <42A5EB35.7030809@imc-group.com> References: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> <02b901c56a21$8a3ce9c0$a65bef18@pengy> <42A5EB35.7030809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42A626E1.40202@earthlink.net> Hi list, I agree with Curt. Rick has paypal set up for CD sales. Maybe he could add to it and allow us to donate online. I think a lot of us use paypal for auctions because it's quick and easy. For those without paypal accounts mail a check. Count me in Rick, and let me know how you want to do it. Direct donations sound good to me. Jeff Allen Curt wrote: > Rick, > Might it be possible to circumvent the effort that putting on the > Charity Auction presents? If you need money for the project just > _ask_, and tell us how much. How many are on the SEL right now? If we > each ante-up what's that work out to each? > Curt > > Tod Engine wrote: > >> Who runs the ATIS Chairty Auctions? I was wondering if it would be >> possible to run a special charity auction to help raise some of the >> money to move the last few pieces of the Tod Engine from the mill. I >> estimate it will cost about $12,000 for the cranes and hauling, and I >> am hopeful to obtain a grant for a portion of that, but would need to >> raise the rest. >> >> This is really the last major hurdle to overcome in the restoration >> of the Tod Engine. We saved the old girl, purchased the land for the >> museum, moved 120 tons worth of parts last year and once these last >> parts, the 48 ton HP bedplate, 40 ton LP cylinder, 65 ton crankshaft >> and 8 ton HP cylinder, are moved to our site full scale reassembly of >> the engine can begin. >> >> I have several items that I could contribute to the chairty auction, >> and if a few other list members could contribute that would be great. >> The engine is related to steelmaking as well and I have several steel >> industry related items that my steel entuisuast friends would bid on >> as well. >> >> So who runs the chairt auctions and would this be a good enough >> reason to run a special auction? >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Jun 7 17:53:28 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:53:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lamport Show References: <429EE001.12C7619B@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <000501c56bc4$7cdac000$98668645@carolina.rr.com> Did anyone sing a national anthem of any kind? Ahhhhhh Portland........... MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:31 AM Subject: [SEL] Lamport Show > Hi All > > I've FINALLY got the pages uploaded for Lamport last weekend. I had > real trouble with uploading to oldengine.org, so you may find that some > links / pics don't work - if so, let me know. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/lamport05.htm > > Dolly > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jun 7 18:43:21 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:43:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor Update 6/6/05 References: <42A4A0A4.9010907@imc-group.com> <42A5A04E.7060606@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Ok..kewl..I think i'm not getting enuf preheat before pouring. thanx Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor Update 6/6/05 > Rick, > Yup they were heated with the rosebud. Used one of those infrared heat > guns to check temps and the bearing saddles were about 530?F and the > dummy shaft near that too. Hard not to heat it all. Things were probably > a little too warm as the Babbittrite was starting to self ignite. Yes > that is what was burning in the picture. > Curt > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > >As usual.great shots!! So it looks like the main casting nor the dummy > >shaft were not heated up very much. Is that the babbitrite burning? > > > > Good job guys! > > > >RickinMt. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Curt" > >To: "SEL" > >Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:14 PM > >Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor Update 6/6/05 > > > > > > > > > >>Devin poured his first babbitt bearings this weekend when he poured the > >>mains on his little Baker Monitor engine. On this link at the bottom. > >>Look for the 6/6/05 update: > >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html > >> > >>Hope you enjoy. > >>Curt Holland > >>Gastonia, NC > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Tue Jun 7 19:24:31 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:24:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? References: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> <02b901c56a21$8a3ce9c0$a65bef18@pengy><42A5EB35.7030809@imc-group.com> <42A626E1.40202@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <048e01c56bd1$33d57050$a65bef18@pengy> Curt, Jeff and the rest of the SEL List, If you would like to contribute directly to the Tod Engine Project that would be very much appreciated. I am not comfortable with asking for money, those who have been on the list for years know that I do not usually solicit contributions. There is approximately $800 in our accounts at this moment. When that amount reaches $5,000 then I'll contact the rigging company and have them put me in their schedule. I estimate the total cost to be about $11,000 or $12,000. Our bill for moving four parts last year and cranes for three days was $8,600. There are four more parts to move this time but since the crankshaft wieghs so much its going to cost $2,500 just to truck it the 6 miles to our property. So assuming the crane time stays the same the cost will be just over $11,000. The Tod Engine Works casting business has been a tremendous help and the money that we've made from that has allowed me to pour 18 yards of concrete and buy 8 or 9 tri axle loads of slag fill so far. Casting sales over the next couple of months may bring in $1,000 to $1,500 towards our goal. You all know that I don't ask for contributions very often, so for me to ask it must be important. The Tod Engine is the only Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark in the world, one of only three existing rolling mill steam engines in North America, and perhaps the largest preserved stationary steam engine in the U.S. It was saved from scrapping literally by the Stationary Engine List. If some of us could chip in some money and help it get moved this year, I'll have most of her back together next year and finally after all these years we can see this mechanical marvel in all of its splendid beauty. Direct contributions can be made via paypal simply by sending it to our paypal address which is paypal at todengine.org . From that I can transfer the funds directly into our savings account. Or if you would prefer to send a contribution our address is 2261 Hubbard Road, Youngstown, OH 44505. Thank you all so very much. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Foundation William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? > Hi list, > > I agree with Curt. Rick has paypal set up for CD sales. Maybe he could add > to it and allow us to donate online. I think a lot of us use paypal for > auctions because it's quick and easy. For those without paypal accounts > mail a check. Count me in Rick, and let me know how you want to do it. > Direct donations sound good to me. > Jeff Allen > > Curt wrote: > >> Rick, >> Might it be possible to circumvent the effort that putting on the Charity >> Auction presents? If you need money for the project just _ask_, and tell >> us how much. How many are on the SEL right now? If we each ante-up what's >> that work out to each? >> Curt >> >> Tod Engine wrote: >> >>> Who runs the ATIS Chairty Auctions? I was wondering if it would be >>> possible to run a special charity auction to help raise some of the >>> money to move the last few pieces of the Tod Engine from the mill. I >>> estimate it will cost about $12,000 for the cranes and hauling, and I am >>> hopeful to obtain a grant for a portion of that, but would need to raise >>> the rest. >>> >>> This is really the last major hurdle to overcome in the restoration of >>> the Tod Engine. We saved the old girl, purchased the land for the >>> museum, moved 120 tons worth of parts last year and once these last >>> parts, the 48 ton HP bedplate, 40 ton LP cylinder, 65 ton crankshaft and >>> 8 ton HP cylinder, are moved to our site full scale reassembly of the >>> engine can begin. >>> >>> I have several items that I could contribute to the chairty auction, and >>> if a few other list members could contribute that would be great. The >>> engine is related to steelmaking as well and I have several steel >>> industry related items that my steel entuisuast friends would bid on as >>> well. >>> >>> So who runs the chairt auctions and would this be a good enough reason >>> to run a special auction? >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Jun 7 21:41:49 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:41:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Fund Message-ID: <42A6770D.8000801@earthlink.net> Hi all, Just made my contribution. Not a lot but multiplied by the list it should meet the goal. About the same amount I sent to Paul last year for the Internal Fire Museum, and I doubt I'll ever see that one. Maybe I'll see the Tod engine one day. Give if you can for a good cause. Rick said in part: > I am not comfortable with asking for money, those who have been on the > list for years know that I do not usually solicit contributions. Let's help him finish it up boys and girls. Jeff Allen From EnginePaul at aol.com Tue Jun 7 22:39:51 2005 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 01:39:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] Amish restraint laws? Message-ID: <86.29b63ab3.2fd7dea7@aol.com> I remembered this from long ago and it seems similar to the Amish law: Yick Wo v. Hopkins 118 U.S. 356 (1886) Yick Wo was a Chinese immigrant who ran a small San Francisco laundry that was shut down by police for being in violation of a city ordinance against operating commercial enterprises out of wooden buildings. It was widely understood that the ordinance targeted Chinese businesses, since such businesses made predominant use of wooden construction (which was not itself prohibited). In its ruling, the Court sanctioned local authorities for arbitrary application of the law and upheld the right of citizens and noncitizens alike to appeal to the Fourteenth Amendment for protection against discrimination.Yick Wo v. Hopkins 118 U.S. 356 (1886) Yick Wo has been cited in well over 150 Supreme Court cases since it was decided. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jun 8 00:19:49 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:19:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? References: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> <02b901c56a21$8a3ce9c0$a65bef18@pengy><42A5EB35.7030809@imc-group.com><42A626E1.40202@earthlink.net> <048e01c56bd1$33d57050$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <00c201c56bfa$e015faa0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I know I am the other side of the world but, Have you contacted the President? When the chips are down, go to the top with a clear, concise statement. No flam, just the good facts. Also, contact the 'media' and get them on your side. You have a TOP news story there. Worked right, it should bring in more than you will ever need. Thats my two cents worth. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? > Curt, Jeff and the rest of the SEL List, > > If you would like to contribute directly to the Tod Engine Project that > would be very much appreciated. I am not comfortable with asking for > money, those who have been on the list for years know that I do not > usually solicit contributions. > > There is approximately $800 in our accounts at this moment. When that > amount reaches $5,000 then I'll contact the rigging company and have them > put me in their schedule. I estimate the total cost to be about $11,000 > or $12,000. Our bill for moving four parts last year and cranes for three > days was $8,600. There are four more parts to move this time but since the > crankshaft wieghs so much its going to cost $2,500 just to truck it the 6 > miles to our property. So assuming the crane time stays the same the cost > will be just over $11,000. > > The Tod Engine Works casting business has been a tremendous help and the > money that we've made from that has allowed me to pour 18 yards of > concrete and buy 8 or 9 tri axle loads of slag fill so far. Casting sales > over the next couple of months may bring in $1,000 to $1,500 towards our > goal. > > You all know that I don't ask for contributions very often, so for me to > ask it must be important. The Tod Engine is the only Historic Mechanical > and Materials Engineering Landmark in the world, one of only three > existing rolling mill steam engines in North America, and perhaps the > largest preserved stationary steam engine in the U.S. It was saved from > scrapping literally by the Stationary Engine List. If some of us could > chip in some money and help it get moved this year, I'll have most of her > back together next year and finally after all these years we can see this > mechanical marvel in all of its splendid beauty. > > Direct contributions can be made via paypal simply by sending it to our > paypal address which is paypal at todengine.org . From that I can transfer > the funds directly into our savings account. Or if you would prefer to > send a contribution our address is 2261 Hubbard Road, Youngstown, OH > 44505. > > Thank you all so very much. > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Engine Foundation > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > http://www.todengine.org/ > Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:59 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? > > >> Hi list, >> >> I agree with Curt. Rick has paypal set up for CD sales. Maybe he could >> add to it and allow us to donate online. I think a lot of us use paypal >> for auctions because it's quick and easy. For those without paypal >> accounts mail a check. Count me in Rick, and let me know how you want to >> do it. Direct donations sound good to me. >> Jeff Allen >> >> Curt wrote: >> >>> Rick, >>> Might it be possible to circumvent the effort that putting on the >>> Charity Auction presents? If you need money for the project just _ask_, >>> and tell us how much. How many are on the SEL right now? If we each >>> ante-up what's that work out to each? >>> Curt >>> >>> Tod Engine wrote: >>> >>>> Who runs the ATIS Chairty Auctions? I was wondering if it would be >>>> possible to run a special charity auction to help raise some of the >>>> money to move the last few pieces of the Tod Engine from the mill. I >>>> estimate it will cost about $12,000 for the cranes and hauling, and I >>>> am hopeful to obtain a grant for a portion of that, but would need to >>>> raise the rest. >>>> >>>> This is really the last major hurdle to overcome in the restoration of >>>> the Tod Engine. We saved the old girl, purchased the land for the >>>> museum, moved 120 tons worth of parts last year and once these last >>>> parts, the 48 ton HP bedplate, 40 ton LP cylinder, 65 ton crankshaft >>>> and 8 ton HP cylinder, are moved to our site full scale reassembly of >>>> the engine can begin. >>>> >>>> I have several items that I could contribute to the chairty auction, >>>> and if a few other list members could contribute that would be great. >>>> The engine is related to steelmaking as well and I have several steel >>>> industry related items that my steel entuisuast friends would bid on as >>>> well. >>>> >>>> So who runs the chairt auctions and would this be a good enough reason >>>> to run a special auction? >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jun 8 04:01:58 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 07:01:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Amish restraint laws? In-Reply-To: <86.29b63ab3.2fd7dea7@aol.com> References: <86.29b63ab3.2fd7dea7@aol.com> Message-ID: <42A6D026.6000208@scrtc.com> Wo..... I think Yick right on target... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY EnginePaul at aol.com wrote: >I remembered this from long ago and it seems similar to the Amish law: > >Yick Wo v. Hopkins >118 U.S. 356 (1886) >Yick Wo was a Chinese immigrant who ran a small San Francisco laundry that >was shut down by police for being in violation of a city ordinance against >operating commercial enterprises out of wooden buildings. It was widely >understood that the ordinance targeted Chinese businesses, since such businesses made >predominant use of wooden construction (which was not itself prohibited). In >its ruling, the Court sanctioned local authorities for arbitrary application >of the law and upheld the right of citizens and noncitizens alike to appeal >to the Fourteenth Amendment for protection against discrimination.Yick Wo v. >Hopkins >118 U.S. 356 (1886) >Yick Wo has been cited in well over 150 Supreme Court cases since it was >decided. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Wed Jun 8 05:59:10 2005 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:59:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New Toy Message-ID: <010001c56c29$de3680e0$23731dd3@fred> Hi All, Went shopping t`day, bought home a 2 1/2 hp. Schmitt , Circa 1895 ? Missing carby, does anyone have any information on these engines? Brian in Melbourne. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Jun 8 09:33:28 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 10:33:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Always recruiting photo's Message-ID: As the show season is well on it's way, I would like to recruit photo's of the old unique iron that was on the belt. These go in my Webshots album, "So Whad they use'm for." And as always ya'll can use them anyway you see fit. Helen, could I put the Brick Crusher in the album..with proper credit given of course?? That's pretty unique and never seen one before. Always nice to get guestbook entries in regards to the albums I have; Makes the heart a little warmer..here it is: People are talking about your photos! On June 8 [barnchaser] viewed your album entitled "So Whad They Use'm For ? "Domestic Applications"" and wrote: ---------------- What a very interesting series of albums! Believe it or not, as a girl we used an old belt saw with a huge round blade (about 3 ft. in diameter) to cut our firewood. The 6 inch wide belt was hooked around the rear axel of an old, undriveable car with the rear end supported on blocks. Sure made fast work of the huge stacks of slab wood left on the property by previous logging operations through our forests. We also used an old style hand pump to draw our water from a 24 ft deep well. In hindsight, it's noteworthy that this was located just 30 miles out of Washington, D.C. in the 1960's. Those forests are long gone to make way for crowded housing developments and shopping malls. Sigh... Charlotte, now in El Paso, TX where overdevelopment is threatening to expend the last vestiges of the one paved "country road" still in the area. ---------------- From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jun 8 10:11:14 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:11:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? In-Reply-To: <00c201c56bfa$e015faa0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> <02b901c56a21$8a3ce9c0$a65bef18@pengy><42A5EB35.7030809@imc-group.com><42A626E1.40202@earthlink.net> <048e01c56bd1$33d57050$a65bef18@pengy> <00c201c56bfa$e015faa0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <42A726B2.7070505@imc-group.com> Ya know Reg, their are foundations with staff that work hard to give money away to organizations like historical groups. One that comes to mind is the Bill Gates Foundation. Our Pres. might be just a tad busy at the moment attacking our personal rights/freedoms under the guise of anti-terrorism, so contacting those organizations might yield more satisfying results. I don't have a clue how to go about finding these organizations, but there are a lot of them with lots of money to give away. Curt Holland R & M Ingold wrote: > I know I am the other side of the world but, Have you contacted the > President? > When the chips are down, go to the top with a clear, concise > statement. No flam, just the good facts. > Also, contact the 'media' and get them on your side. > You have a TOP news story there. > Worked right, it should bring in more than you will ever need. > Thats my two cents worth. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:24 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? > > >> Curt, Jeff and the rest of the SEL List, >> >> If you would like to contribute directly to the Tod Engine Project >> that would be very much appreciated. I am not comfortable with >> asking for money, those who have been on the list for years know that >> I do not usually solicit contributions. >> >> There is approximately $800 in our accounts at this moment. When >> that amount reaches $5,000 then I'll contact the rigging company and >> have them put me in their schedule. I estimate the total cost to be >> about $11,000 or $12,000. Our bill for moving four parts last year >> and cranes for three days was $8,600. There are four more parts to >> move this time but since the crankshaft wieghs so much its going to >> cost $2,500 just to truck it the 6 miles to our property. So >> assuming the crane time stays the same the cost will be just over >> $11,000. >> >> The Tod Engine Works casting business has been a tremendous help and >> the money that we've made from that has allowed me to pour 18 yards >> of concrete and buy 8 or 9 tri axle loads of slag fill so far. >> Casting sales over the next couple of months may bring in $1,000 to >> $1,500 towards our goal. >> >> You all know that I don't ask for contributions very often, so for me >> to ask it must be important. The Tod Engine is the only Historic >> Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark in the world, one of >> only three existing rolling mill steam engines in North America, and >> perhaps the largest preserved stationary steam engine in the U.S. It >> was saved from scrapping literally by the Stationary Engine List. If >> some of us could chip in some money and help it get moved this year, >> I'll have most of her back together next year and finally after all >> these years we can see this mechanical marvel in all of its splendid >> beauty. >> >> Direct contributions can be made via paypal simply by sending it to >> our paypal address which is paypal at todengine.org . From that I can >> transfer the funds directly into our savings account. Or if you >> would prefer to send a contribution our address is 2261 Hubbard Road, >> Youngstown, OH 44505. >> >> Thank you all so very much. >> >> Rick Rowlands >> Executive Director >> Tod Engine Foundation >> William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine >> Youngstown, OH >> http://www.todengine.org/ >> Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? >> >> >>> Hi list, >>> >>> I agree with Curt. Rick has paypal set up for CD sales. Maybe he >>> could add to it and allow us to donate online. I think a lot of us >>> use paypal for auctions because it's quick and easy. For those >>> without paypal accounts mail a check. Count me in Rick, and let me >>> know how you want to do it. Direct donations sound good to me. >>> Jeff Allen >>> >>> Curt wrote: >>> >>>> Rick, >>>> Might it be possible to circumvent the effort that putting on the >>>> Charity Auction presents? If you need money for the project just >>>> _ask_, and tell us how much. How many are on the SEL right now? If >>>> we each ante-up what's that work out to each? >>>> Curt >>>> >>>> Tod Engine wrote: >>>> >>>>> Who runs the ATIS Chairty Auctions? I was wondering if it would >>>>> be possible to run a special charity auction to help raise some of >>>>> the money to move the last few pieces of the Tod Engine from the >>>>> mill. I estimate it will cost about $12,000 for the cranes and >>>>> hauling, and I am hopeful to obtain a grant for a portion of that, >>>>> but would need to raise the rest. >>>>> >>>>> This is really the last major hurdle to overcome in the >>>>> restoration of the Tod Engine. We saved the old girl, purchased >>>>> the land for the museum, moved 120 tons worth of parts last year >>>>> and once these last parts, the 48 ton HP bedplate, 40 ton LP >>>>> cylinder, 65 ton crankshaft and 8 ton HP cylinder, are moved to >>>>> our site full scale reassembly of the engine can begin. >>>>> >>>>> I have several items that I could contribute to the chairty >>>>> auction, and if a few other list members could contribute that >>>>> would be great. The engine is related to steelmaking as well and I >>>>> have several steel industry related items that my steel entuisuast >>>>> friends would bid on as well. >>>>> >>>>> So who runs the chairt auctions and would this be a good enough >>>>> reason to run a special auction? >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Wed Jun 8 11:26:42 2005 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:26:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? References: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> <02b901c56a21$8a3ce9c0$a65bef18@pengy> <42A5EB35.7030809@imc-group.com> <42A626E1.40202@earthlink.net> <048e01c56bd1$33d57050$a65bef18@pengy> <00c201c56bfa$e015faa0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <42A726B2.7070505@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000901c56c57$9eecc9c0$151c7546@satx.rr.com> keep the political bs out of this list. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? > Ya know Reg, their are foundations with staff that work hard to give > money away to organizations like historical groups. One that comes to > mind is the Bill Gates Foundation. Our Pres. might be just a tad busy at > the moment attacking our personal rights/freedoms under the guise of > anti-terrorism, so contacting those organizations might yield more > satisfying results. I don't have a clue how to go about finding these > organizations, but there are a lot of them with lots of money to give away. > Curt Holland > > R & M Ingold wrote: > > > I know I am the other side of the world but, Have you contacted the > > President? > > When the chips are down, go to the top with a clear, concise > > statement. No flam, just the good facts. > > Also, contact the 'media' and get them on your side. > > You have a TOP news story there. > > Worked right, it should bring in more than you will ever need. > > Thats my two cents worth. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" > > > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? > > > > > >> Curt, Jeff and the rest of the SEL List, > >> > >> If you would like to contribute directly to the Tod Engine Project > >> that would be very much appreciated. I am not comfortable with > >> asking for money, those who have been on the list for years know that > >> I do not usually solicit contributions. > >> > >> There is approximately $800 in our accounts at this moment. When > >> that amount reaches $5,000 then I'll contact the rigging company and > >> have them put me in their schedule. I estimate the total cost to be > >> about $11,000 or $12,000. Our bill for moving four parts last year > >> and cranes for three days was $8,600. There are four more parts to > >> move this time but since the crankshaft wieghs so much its going to > >> cost $2,500 just to truck it the 6 miles to our property. So > >> assuming the crane time stays the same the cost will be just over > >> $11,000. > >> > >> The Tod Engine Works casting business has been a tremendous help and > >> the money that we've made from that has allowed me to pour 18 yards > >> of concrete and buy 8 or 9 tri axle loads of slag fill so far. > >> Casting sales over the next couple of months may bring in $1,000 to > >> $1,500 towards our goal. > >> > >> You all know that I don't ask for contributions very often, so for me > >> to ask it must be important. The Tod Engine is the only Historic > >> Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark in the world, one of > >> only three existing rolling mill steam engines in North America, and > >> perhaps the largest preserved stationary steam engine in the U.S. It > >> was saved from scrapping literally by the Stationary Engine List. If > >> some of us could chip in some money and help it get moved this year, > >> I'll have most of her back together next year and finally after all > >> these years we can see this mechanical marvel in all of its splendid > >> beauty. > >> > >> Direct contributions can be made via paypal simply by sending it to > >> our paypal address which is paypal at todengine.org . From that I can > >> transfer the funds directly into our savings account. Or if you > >> would prefer to send a contribution our address is 2261 Hubbard Road, > >> Youngstown, OH 44505. > >> > >> Thank you all so very much. > >> > >> Rick Rowlands > >> Executive Director > >> Tod Engine Foundation > >> William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > >> Youngstown, OH > >> http://www.todengine.org/ > >> Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" > >> > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:59 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? > >> > >> > >>> Hi list, > >>> > >>> I agree with Curt. Rick has paypal set up for CD sales. Maybe he > >>> could add to it and allow us to donate online. I think a lot of us > >>> use paypal for auctions because it's quick and easy. For those > >>> without paypal accounts mail a check. Count me in Rick, and let me > >>> know how you want to do it. Direct donations sound good to me. > >>> Jeff Allen > >>> > >>> Curt wrote: > >>> > >>>> Rick, > >>>> Might it be possible to circumvent the effort that putting on the > >>>> Charity Auction presents? If you need money for the project just > >>>> _ask_, and tell us how much. How many are on the SEL right now? If > >>>> we each ante-up what's that work out to each? > >>>> Curt > >>>> > >>>> Tod Engine wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Who runs the ATIS Chairty Auctions? I was wondering if it would > >>>>> be possible to run a special charity auction to help raise some of > >>>>> the money to move the last few pieces of the Tod Engine from the > >>>>> mill. I estimate it will cost about $12,000 for the cranes and > >>>>> hauling, and I am hopeful to obtain a grant for a portion of that, > >>>>> but would need to raise the rest. > >>>>> > >>>>> This is really the last major hurdle to overcome in the > >>>>> restoration of the Tod Engine. We saved the old girl, purchased > >>>>> the land for the museum, moved 120 tons worth of parts last year > >>>>> and once these last parts, the 48 ton HP bedplate, 40 ton LP > >>>>> cylinder, 65 ton crankshaft and 8 ton HP cylinder, are moved to > >>>>> our site full scale reassembly of the engine can begin. > >>>>> > >>>>> I have several items that I could contribute to the chairty > >>>>> auction, and if a few other list members could contribute that > >>>>> would be great. The engine is related to steelmaking as well and I > >>>>> have several steel industry related items that my steel entuisuast > >>>>> friends would bid on as well. > >>>>> > >>>>> So who runs the chairt auctions and would this be a good enough > >>>>> reason to run a special auction? > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> SEL mailing list > >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SEL mailing list > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From todengine at zoominternet.net Wed Jun 8 13:58:30 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 16:58:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? References: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net><02b901c56a21$8a3ce9c0$a65bef18@pengy><42A5EB35.7030809@imc-group.com> <42A626E1.40202@earthlink.net><048e01c56bd1$33d57050$a65bef18@pengy><00c201c56bfa$e015faa0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><42A726B2.7070505@imc-group.com> <000901c56c57$9eecc9c0$151c7546@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <052001c56c6c$d30030c0$a65bef18@pengy> Foundations like to see board of directors, mission statements, annual reports, long range plans etc. before they fork over dollars, and even if you have all of that in this area the limited amount of money available is being fought over by much more worthy causes like soup kitchens, homeless shelters, half way houses etc. I don't have much in the way of mission statements and plans to show. Just don't have the time to put on paper what I can see clearly in my head and don't have the money to pay a consultant to come up with something. Thanks everyone for the contributions so far! Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? > keep the political bs out of this list. > > Tom > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:11 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? > > >> Ya know Reg, their are foundations with staff that work hard to give >> money away to organizations like historical groups. One that comes to >> mind is the Bill Gates Foundation. Our Pres. might be just a tad busy at >> the moment attacking our personal rights/freedoms under the guise of >> anti-terrorism, so contacting those organizations might yield more >> satisfying results. I don't have a clue how to go about finding these >> organizations, but there are a lot of them with lots of money to give > away. >> Curt Holland >> >> R & M Ingold wrote: >> >> > I know I am the other side of the world but, Have you contacted the >> > President? >> > When the chips are down, go to the top with a clear, concise >> > statement. No flam, just the good facts. >> > Also, contact the 'media' and get them on your side. >> > You have a TOP news story there. >> > Worked right, it should bring in more than you will ever need. >> > Thats my two cents worth. >> > Reg & Marg Ingold. >> > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> > randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" >> > >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:24 PM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? >> > >> > >> >> Curt, Jeff and the rest of the SEL List, >> >> >> >> If you would like to contribute directly to the Tod Engine Project >> >> that would be very much appreciated. I am not comfortable with >> >> asking for money, those who have been on the list for years know that >> >> I do not usually solicit contributions. >> >> >> >> There is approximately $800 in our accounts at this moment. When >> >> that amount reaches $5,000 then I'll contact the rigging company and >> >> have them put me in their schedule. I estimate the total cost to be >> >> about $11,000 or $12,000. Our bill for moving four parts last year >> >> and cranes for three days was $8,600. There are four more parts to >> >> move this time but since the crankshaft wieghs so much its going to >> >> cost $2,500 just to truck it the 6 miles to our property. So >> >> assuming the crane time stays the same the cost will be just over >> >> $11,000. >> >> >> >> The Tod Engine Works casting business has been a tremendous help and >> >> the money that we've made from that has allowed me to pour 18 yards >> >> of concrete and buy 8 or 9 tri axle loads of slag fill so far. >> >> Casting sales over the next couple of months may bring in $1,000 to >> >> $1,500 towards our goal. >> >> >> >> You all know that I don't ask for contributions very often, so for me >> >> to ask it must be important. The Tod Engine is the only Historic >> >> Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark in the world, one of >> >> only three existing rolling mill steam engines in North America, and >> >> perhaps the largest preserved stationary steam engine in the U.S. It >> >> was saved from scrapping literally by the Stationary Engine List. If >> >> some of us could chip in some money and help it get moved this year, >> >> I'll have most of her back together next year and finally after all >> >> these years we can see this mechanical marvel in all of its splendid >> >> beauty. >> >> >> >> Direct contributions can be made via paypal simply by sending it to >> >> our paypal address which is paypal at todengine.org . From that I can >> >> transfer the funds directly into our savings account. Or if you >> >> would prefer to send a contribution our address is 2261 Hubbard Road, >> >> Youngstown, OH 44505. >> >> >> >> Thank you all so very much. >> >> >> >> Rick Rowlands >> >> Executive Director >> >> Tod Engine Foundation >> >> William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine >> >> Youngstown, OH >> >> http://www.todengine.org/ >> >> Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" >> >> >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:59 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi list, >> >>> >> >>> I agree with Curt. Rick has paypal set up for CD sales. Maybe he >> >>> could add to it and allow us to donate online. I think a lot of us >> >>> use paypal for auctions because it's quick and easy. For those >> >>> without paypal accounts mail a check. Count me in Rick, and let me >> >>> know how you want to do it. Direct donations sound good to me. >> >>> Jeff Allen >> >>> >> >>> Curt wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Rick, >> >>>> Might it be possible to circumvent the effort that putting on the >> >>>> Charity Auction presents? If you need money for the project just >> >>>> _ask_, and tell us how much. How many are on the SEL right now? If >> >>>> we each ante-up what's that work out to each? >> >>>> Curt >> >>>> >> >>>> Tod Engine wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Who runs the ATIS Chairty Auctions? I was wondering if it would >> >>>>> be possible to run a special charity auction to help raise some of >> >>>>> the money to move the last few pieces of the Tod Engine from the >> >>>>> mill. I estimate it will cost about $12,000 for the cranes and >> >>>>> hauling, and I am hopeful to obtain a grant for a portion of that, >> >>>>> but would need to raise the rest. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> This is really the last major hurdle to overcome in the >> >>>>> restoration of the Tod Engine. We saved the old girl, purchased >> >>>>> the land for the museum, moved 120 tons worth of parts last year >> >>>>> and once these last parts, the 48 ton HP bedplate, 40 ton LP >> >>>>> cylinder, 65 ton crankshaft and 8 ton HP cylinder, are moved to >> >>>>> our site full scale reassembly of the engine can begin. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I have several items that I could contribute to the chairty >> >>>>> auction, and if a few other list members could contribute that >> >>>>> would be great. The engine is related to steelmaking as well and I >> >>>>> have several steel industry related items that my steel entuisuast >> >>>>> friends would bid on as well. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> So who runs the chairt auctions and would this be a good enough >> >>>>> reason to run a special auction? >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> SEL mailing list >> >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> SEL mailing list >> >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jun 8 14:25:10 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 07:25:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New Toy References: <010001c56c29$de3680e0$23731dd3@fred> Message-ID: <02f401c56c70$8f0edca0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> contact Hans Jensen.He has one. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:59 PM Subject: [SEL] New Toy > Hi All, > Went shopping t`day, > bought home a 2 1/2 hp. Schmitt , Circa 1895 ? > Missing carby, does anyone have any information on these engines? > Brian in Melbourne. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jun 8 18:52:21 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 11:52:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] List outage In-Reply-To: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <20050609015154.GVAK4114.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Spencer, Thanks for all the hard work keeping the list running :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Many apologies to ATIS users. The recent outage was of a spotty, on-again/off-again nature and was the result of many issues, culminating in my needing a new cable run across my property. A temporary cable was stretched across the ground and ATIS was back up about 4:00 pm this afternoon. Everything is running better now than it has in a week. Thanks for your patience, Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jun 8 19:49:53 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:49:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? In-Reply-To: <000901c56c57$9eecc9c0$151c7546@satx.rr.com> References: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> <02b901c56a21$8a3ce9c0$a65bef18@pengy> <42A5EB35.7030809@imc-group.com> <42A626E1.40202@earthlink.net> <048e01c56bd1$33d57050$a65bef18@pengy> <00c201c56bfa$e015faa0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <42A726B2.7070505@imc-group.com> <000901c56c57$9eecc9c0$151c7546@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050608224807.0d5234f0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Tom, You must be a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT! Lighten up a bit and you will enjoy life more! Dave At 02:26 PM 6/8/2005, you wrote: >keep the political bs out of this list. > >Tom >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Curt" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:11 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? > > > > Ya know Reg, their are foundations with staff that work hard to give > > money away to organizations like historical groups. One that comes to > > mind is the Bill Gates Foundation. Our Pres. might be just a tad busy at > > the moment attacking our personal rights/freedoms under the guise of > > anti-terrorism, so contacting those organizations might yield more > > satisfying results. I don't have a clue how to go about finding these > > organizations, but there are a lot of them with lots of money to give >away. > > Curt Holland > > > > R & M Ingold wrote: > > > > > I know I am the other side of the world but, Have you contacted the > > > President? > > > When the chips are down, go to the top with a clear, concise > > > statement. No flam, just the good facts. > > > Also, contact the 'media' and get them on your side. > > > You have a TOP news story there. > > > Worked right, it should bring in more than you will ever need. > > > Thats my two cents worth. > > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" > > > > > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:24 PM > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? > > > > > > > > >> Curt, Jeff and the rest of the SEL List, > > >> > > >> If you would like to contribute directly to the Tod Engine Project > > >> that would be very much appreciated. I am not comfortable with > > >> asking for money, those who have been on the list for years know that > > >> I do not usually solicit contributions. > > >> > > >> There is approximately $800 in our accounts at this moment. When > > >> that amount reaches $5,000 then I'll contact the rigging company and > > >> have them put me in their schedule. I estimate the total cost to be > > >> about $11,000 or $12,000. Our bill for moving four parts last year > > >> and cranes for three days was $8,600. There are four more parts to > > >> move this time but since the crankshaft wieghs so much its going to > > >> cost $2,500 just to truck it the 6 miles to our property. So > > >> assuming the crane time stays the same the cost will be just over > > >> $11,000. > > >> > > >> The Tod Engine Works casting business has been a tremendous help and > > >> the money that we've made from that has allowed me to pour 18 yards > > >> of concrete and buy 8 or 9 tri axle loads of slag fill so far. > > >> Casting sales over the next couple of months may bring in $1,000 to > > >> $1,500 towards our goal. > > >> > > >> You all know that I don't ask for contributions very often, so for me > > >> to ask it must be important. The Tod Engine is the only Historic > > >> Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark in the world, one of > > >> only three existing rolling mill steam engines in North America, and > > >> perhaps the largest preserved stationary steam engine in the U.S. It > > >> was saved from scrapping literally by the Stationary Engine List. If > > >> some of us could chip in some money and help it get moved this year, > > >> I'll have most of her back together next year and finally after all > > >> these years we can see this mechanical marvel in all of its splendid > > >> beauty. > > >> > > >> Direct contributions can be made via paypal simply by sending it to > > >> our paypal address which is paypal at todengine.org . From that I can > > >> transfer the funds directly into our savings account. Or if you > > >> would prefer to send a contribution our address is 2261 Hubbard Road, > > >> Youngstown, OH 44505. > > >> > > >> Thank you all so very much. > > >> > > >> Rick Rowlands > > >> Executive Director > > >> Tod Engine Foundation > > >> William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > > >> Youngstown, OH > > >> http://www.todengine.org/ > > >> Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" > > >> > > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:59 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? > > >> > > >> > > >>> Hi list, > > >>> > > >>> I agree with Curt. Rick has paypal set up for CD sales. Maybe he > > >>> could add to it and allow us to donate online. I think a lot of us > > >>> use paypal for auctions because it's quick and easy. For those > > >>> without paypal accounts mail a check. Count me in Rick, and let me > > >>> know how you want to do it. Direct donations sound good to me. > > >>> Jeff Allen > > >>> > > >>> Curt wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Rick, > > >>>> Might it be possible to circumvent the effort that putting on the > > >>>> Charity Auction presents? If you need money for the project just > > >>>> _ask_, and tell us how much. How many are on the SEL right now? If > > >>>> we each ante-up what's that work out to each? > > >>>> Curt > > >>>> > > >>>> Tod Engine wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Who runs the ATIS Chairty Auctions? I was wondering if it would > > >>>>> be possible to run a special charity auction to help raise some of > > >>>>> the money to move the last few pieces of the Tod Engine from the > > >>>>> mill. I estimate it will cost about $12,000 for the cranes and > > >>>>> hauling, and I am hopeful to obtain a grant for a portion of that, > > >>>>> but would need to raise the rest. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> This is really the last major hurdle to overcome in the > > >>>>> restoration of the Tod Engine. We saved the old girl, purchased > > >>>>> the land for the museum, moved 120 tons worth of parts last year > > >>>>> and once these last parts, the 48 ton HP bedplate, 40 ton LP > > >>>>> cylinder, 65 ton crankshaft and 8 ton HP cylinder, are moved to > > >>>>> our site full scale reassembly of the engine can begin. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I have several items that I could contribute to the chairty > > >>>>> auction, and if a few other list members could contribute that > > >>>>> would be great. The engine is related to steelmaking as well and I > > >>>>> have several steel industry related items that my steel entuisuast > > >>>>> friends would bid on as well. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> So who runs the chairt auctions and would this be a good enough > > >>>>> reason to run a special auction? > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> SEL mailing list > > >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> SEL mailing list > > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >>> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> SEL mailing list > > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From skipl at montana.com Wed Jun 8 21:14:59 2005 From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:14:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re:cool spring show References: Message-ID: <42A7C243.9774079F@montana.com> i'm leaving the list for awhile, been a lurker most of the time anyhow. hope to see some of you at cool spring on the 17th. skip in nw montana Richard Strobel wrote: > As the show season is well on it's way, I would like to recruit photo's of > the old unique iron that was on the belt. These go in my Webshots album, > "So Whad they use'm for." And as always ya'll can use them anyway you see > fit. > > Helen, could I put the Brick Crusher in the album..with proper credit > given of course?? That's pretty unique and never seen one before. > > Always nice to get guestbook entries in regards to the albums I have; > > Makes the heart a little warmer..here it is: > > People are talking about your photos! > > On June 8 [barnchaser] viewed your album entitled > "So Whad They Use'm For ? "Domestic Applications"" and wrote: > > ---------------- > What a very interesting series of albums! Believe it or not, as a girl we > used an old belt saw with a huge round blade (about 3 ft. in diameter) to > cut our firewood. The 6 inch wide belt was hooked around the rear axel of > an old, undriveable car with the rear end supported on blocks. Sure made > fast work of the huge stacks of slab wood left on the property by previous > logging operations through our forests. We also used an old style hand pump > to draw our water from a 24 ft deep well. In hindsight, it's noteworthy that > this was located just 30 miles out of Washington, D.C. in the 1960's. Those > forests are long gone to make way for crowded housing developments and > shopping malls. Sigh... Charlotte, now in El Paso, TX where > overdevelopment is threatening to expend the last vestiges of the one paved > "country road" still in the area. > ---------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Jun 8 13:03:48 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:03:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Lamport Show References: <429EE001.12C7619B@insulate.co.uk> <000501c56bc4$7cdac000$98668645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: <42A74F24.3C6BFCCF@insulate.co.uk> Hi Mike Fortunately, Northamptonshire doesn't have an anthem ... Apart from "Ballad of the Speed Camera". Dolly Mike Royster wrote: > Did anyone sing a national anthem of any kind? Ahhhhhh > Portland........... -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Jun 9 05:22:02 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 12:22:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT - Pocket Watch - Off Topic Message-ID: Was there someone on the SEL that rebuilds or collects pocket watches? Seems there was an expert here. If so could you contact me off list please. Thanks. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From BillMil357 at aol.com Thu Jun 9 06:16:10 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:16:10 EDT Subject: [SEL] Siam Show, Evansville, IN. Message-ID: <87.294d6b34.2fd99b1a@aol.com> Hey Men, It is 8:15 Thursday morning and my wife and I are leaving Memphis, TN. in a few minutes, heading for the SIAM show, hope to se a bunch of you there. See'ya, Bill Miller Memphis, TN. From marvhed at ecenet.com Thu Jun 9 06:45:55 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:45:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Ole Berge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65393.199.62.0.252.1118324755.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> i just heard from Jerry Swedberg that Ole Berge,(Mr hot air engine of Lake Itasca, Minnesota), died last saturday and his funeral was yesterday. Ole has built a number of full size hot air engines from the patent drawings and was the cornerstone of the Lake Itasca hot air engine meets. a pic of Ole can be seen at: http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/pic_Ctn1.htm marv in minn From howard.bottles at austin.ppdi.com Thu Jun 9 07:43:45 2005 From: howard.bottles at austin.ppdi.com (Howard Bottles) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 09:43:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Engine HP Message-ID: <42A855A1.5040800@austin.ppdi.com> Does anyone know how many HP that a Wisconsin AEH engine is?? Also, i';m trying to find out how old this engine is, is there a serial # listing anywhere on the net?? thanks Howard ______________________________________________________________________ This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or a person responsible for delivering this transmission to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this transmission and that any disclosure, copying, printing, distribution or use of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or return email and delete the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving in any manner. From bmvid at snet.net Thu Jun 9 13:09:38 2005 From: bmvid at snet.net (Mick DeMaria) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:09:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Engine HP In-Reply-To: <42A855A1.5040800@austin.ppdi.com> References: <42A855A1.5040800@austin.ppdi.com> Message-ID: <42A8A202.7030009@snet.net> Hi Howard: Try the asecc site. http://www.asecc.com/data/wisconsin-models.html Mick Howard Bottles wrote: > Does anyone know how many HP that a Wisconsin AEH engine is?? Also, i';m > trying to find out how old this engine is, is there a serial # listing > anywhere on the net?? > > thanks > Howard > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email > messages attached to it may contain information that is confidential or > legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or a person > responsible for delivering this transmission to the intended recipient, > you are hereby notified that you must not read this transmission and > that any disclosure, copying, printing, distribution or use of this > transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission > in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or return email > and delete the original transmission and its attachments without reading > or saving in any manner. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From howard.bottles at austin.ppdi.com Thu Jun 9 13:42:21 2005 From: howard.bottles at austin.ppdi.com (Howard Bottles) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:42:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Engine HP In-Reply-To: <42A8A202.7030009@snet.net> References: <42A855A1.5040800@austin.ppdi.com> <42A8A202.7030009@snet.net> Message-ID: <42A8A9AD.9020703@austin.ppdi.com> Thanks for that link, that is exactly what I was looking for !! Howard Mick DeMaria wrote: > Hi Howard: Try the asecc site. > > http://www.asecc.com/data/wisconsin-models.html > > Mick > > > > Howard Bottles wrote: > >> Does anyone know how many HP that a Wisconsin AEH engine is?? Also, >> i';m trying to find out how old this engine is, is there a serial # >> listing anywhere on the net?? >> >> thanks >> Howard >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email >> messages attached to it may contain information that is confidential or >> legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or a person >> responsible for delivering this transmission to the intended recipient, >> you are hereby notified that you must not read this transmission and >> that any disclosure, copying, printing, distribution or use of this >> transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >> transmission >> in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or return >> email >> and delete the original transmission and its attachments without reading >> or saving in any manner. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ______________________________________________________________________ This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or a person responsible for delivering this transmission to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this transmission and that any disclosure, copying, printing, distribution or use of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or return email and delete the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving in any manner. From FRM8198 at aol.com Thu Jun 9 15:04:19 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 18:04:19 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?[SEL]=20International=20LB=201=BD=20-2=BD=20HP=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Oiling=20Questions?= Message-ID: <99.60243156.2fda16e3@aol.com> Hi List, One of the IHC LB engine I have came to me in a basket condition. The previous owner had removed the valve oiler pipe and wick. I need to know where I can get wicking and how to install it? When I removed the hand hole cover, I noticed that there was wicking material wrapped around the governor weights. This wicking material was removed. I don't know from where this wicking came. There was about three cups full of oil soaked wicking. Is this wicking required? I didn't see any of this wicking called out in the LB Operator's Manual. The connecting rod journal on the crankshaft seems to have a drilled oil passage to get oil to the connecting rod bearing. How does the oil get to this passage? The Operator's Manual is very vague in this area. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Jun 10 05:49:50 2005 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:19:50 +0930 Subject: [SEL] happy birthday Message-ID: <000601c56dba$e4da3ee0$adcb8890@chaos> Nikolaus August Otto Born 10 June 1832; died 26 Jan 1891. German engineer who developed the four-stroke internal-combustion engine, which offered the first practical alternative to the steam engine as a power source. A French engineer, Alphonse Beau de Rochas, formulated the basic design for the four-stroke internal combustion engine and patented it in 1862, but never built a working model. In 1876, Otto used principles from Beau de Rochas and others to construct the prototype of today's automobile engines, often called the Otto-cycle engine. He sold thousands of copies before Beau de Rochas sued him and invalidated Otto's patent. But light, efficient Otto-cycle engines largely enabled the creation of automobiles, powerboats, motorcycles and even airplanes. From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Jun 10 11:54:02 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:54:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lamport Show In-Reply-To: <42A74F24.3C6BFCCF@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Ahhhh, the Speed Camera! Every small hamlet in the USA needs one of those. Sweet thing and I got stung several times in Thames last summer before we realized that when the light flashes you're CAUGHT ! Steve >From: Jim French >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Lamport Show >Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:03:48 +0100 > >Hi Mike > >Fortunately, Northamptonshire doesn't have an anthem ... Apart from "Ballad >of the Speed Camera". > >Dolly > >Mike Royster wrote: > > > Did anyone sing a national anthem of any kind? Ahhhhhh > > Portland........... > > > >-- >Jim French >fbi at insulate.co.uk >http://www.insulate.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Jun 10 12:14:27 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:14:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE:Old Concrete Mixer In-Reply-To: <200506050248.j552mUip050266@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Hi, My neighbor just found an old concrete mixer and will be hauling it home this weekend. It's a CMC Thoromix by Construction Machinery Co, Waterloo Iowa. Does anyone have any info or pictures on these that we could use for restoration purposes. Thanks, Steve Royster From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Jun 10 12:21:05 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:21:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] happy birthday In-Reply-To: <000601c56dba$e4da3ee0$adcb8890@chaos> References: <000601c56dba$e4da3ee0$adcb8890@chaos> Message-ID: <89a285b87ac81ea63e684f552c2e8cc3@chartertn.net> Yesterday was Les Paul's 90th birthday. He's still doing gigs at 8:00 and 10:00 every Monday night at the Iridium Jazz Club in New York City. The world's a better place for Otto engines and Les Paul guitars. :-) John On Jun 10, 2005, at 8:49 AM, derek wrote: > Nikolaus August Otto Born 10 June 1832; died 26 Jan 1891. > German engineer who developed the four-stroke internal-combustion > engine, which offered the first practical alternative to the steam > engine as a power source. A French engineer, Alphonse Beau de Rochas, > formulated the basic design for the four-stroke internal combustion > engine and patented it in 1862, but never built a working model. In > 1876, Otto used principles from Beau de Rochas and others to construct > the prototype of today's automobile engines, often called the > Otto-cycle engine. He sold thousands of copies before Beau de Rochas > sued him and invalidated Otto's patent. But light, efficient > Otto-cycle engines largely enabled the creation of automobiles, > powerboats, motorcycles and even airplanes. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri Jun 10 17:27:27 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 20:27:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Fund References: <42A6770D.8000801@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008801c56e1c$58acb3a0$a65bef18@pengy> I've recieved about $500 in donations thus far from the request made a few days ago. Thanks so much to everyone who has contributed, and for those who have not yet done so, we can still use some additional funds to help with moving the parts later this summer. Come on guys and gals, we really need your help to get this engine back together! Thanks again! Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:41 AM Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Fund > Hi all, > > Just made my contribution. Not a lot but multiplied by the list it should > meet the goal. About the same amount I sent to Paul last year for the > Internal Fire Museum, and I doubt I'll ever see that one. Maybe I'll see > the Tod engine one day. Give if you can for a good cause. > > Rick said in part: > >> I am not comfortable with asking for money, those who have been on the >> list for years know that I do not usually solicit contributions. > > Let's help him finish it up boys and girls. > > Jeff Allen > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jun 11 05:21:44 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 06:21:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] How they do that? Message-ID: Howdy all; The other day I noticed this very kewl antiquing job on this old cast iron radiator. Have they just dabbed gold paint on the high spots or is there a better way of doing this? On a smaller version, I'd like to cool the Universal Genset with this setup. picture at; http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/366476545gjJkmi TIA RickinMt. From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Jun 11 14:59:36 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 14:59:36 Subject: [SEL] FF engine dating? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050611145936.009aa9e8@127.0.0.1> Hi all, Can anyone help in dating a Danish FF engine. I'm making a brass plate for someone whose is missing. I have the following details off another identical engine: No. = 14722 H.P. = 6-7 R.P.M. = 8/990 Year = 1959 The one I need to date has an engine number of 15194 (472 engines later than the above) so I assume that it would either be a 1959 or 1960 engine. I would appreciate if anyone could pinpoint it. This is one of the few manufacturers that I have come across who actually put a date on the makers plate. If only more had done so it would make these things so much easier to research ! Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From ivancou at alltel.net Fri Jun 10 18:38:26 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 21:38:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Engine HP References: <42A855A1.5040800@austin.ppdi.com> Message-ID: <004e01c56e26$43678ec0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Howard , I ran across an article on Gibson Mfg that says the AEH was 6 hp . Ivan http://home.bluegrass.net/~dbaas/History.html From cuz904_99 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 12 09:56:12 2005 From: cuz904_99 at yahoo.com (John E. Hart) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytag engine Help Message-ID: <20050612165612.87425.qmail@web50910.mail.yahoo.com> All: I have a 1924 Maytag engine, it will run for about two or three strokes then stop. I have put a new spark plug in and fresh gas. My final results are the same. Does anyone have any good suggestions? Thanks, John Hart Mentone, Indiana __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sun Jun 12 10:24:53 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:24:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Maytag engine Help References: <20050612165612.87425.qmail@web50910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a401c56f73$a6f7ff80$a0426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Possibly a stuck check valve in the fuel tank. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John E. Hart" To: Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:56 AM Subject: [SEL] Maytag engine Help > All: I have a 1924 Maytag engine, it will run for > about two or three strokes then stop. I have put a new > spark plug in and fresh gas. My final results are the > same. Does anyone have any good suggestions? > > Thanks, > > John Hart > Mentone, Indiana > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Jun 12 10:50:14 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 13:50:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag engine Help Message-ID: <20050612.135014.1340.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi John, Sounds lik e fuel delivery problem. Take the carb off and make sure the delivery tube and check ball is working properly. It should be free of obstructions and letting gas TO the carb and NOT back into the tank. If you shake the carb with the tube attached you should be able to hear the check ball rattle. Hope this is your problem Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From solarrog at pacbell.net Sun Jun 12 11:29:22 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:29:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] maytag help Message-ID: <01a801c56f7c$aa3a4320$afca7043@D6R3D961> Just keep kicking on it sooner or latter is will start I will know you we do finally meet at a swap meet. You will be the one with the huge leg lol. and checking the check valve is a good thing. did you try priming at the spark plugs Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Website; scrapologist.com Ham Radio; KG6QKZ Fremont,Ca From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Jun 12 14:44:28 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 07:44:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Maytag engine Help References: <20050612165612.87425.qmail@web50910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004201c56f9a$894eb290$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Shuddup Dave!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "John E. Hart" To: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:56 AM Subject: [SEL] Maytag engine Help > All: I have a 1924 Maytag engine, it will run for > about two or three strokes then stop. I have put a new > spark plug in and fresh gas. My final results are the > same. Does anyone have any good suggestions? > > Thanks, > > John Hart > Mentone, Indiana > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Jun 12 16:40:42 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:40:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT-Amish Restraint Laws In-Reply-To: <016f01c56b93$30092f40$611117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <20050607115444.6267.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> <42A5D93F.6070905@scrtc.com> <016f01c56b93$30092f40$611117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <42ACC7FA.408@steamengine.com.au> That just has to be simple discrimination - if it names them as a group then how could it stand up in court? That would be like saying Catholics are not allowed to build houses - just as wrong, but more likely to cause a huge outcry. So much for it being the home of the free. Paul Steve W. wrote: > Tommy, > Some very good points in that post. Most of the Amish in this area are > all good folks. The problem is that the new laws as enacted are based > solely on the people being Amish, NOT poor craftsmen or bad folks. The > new codes specify Amish by name not just stating that you cannot use > ungraded lumber or must use treated lumber. The local Amish will build > entirely using store bought lumber if you want them to. > > > Steve Williams -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 11/06/2005 From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Jun 12 17:04:17 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:04:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] maytag help Message-ID: <20050612.200735.564.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Roger, Now that you said, "You will be the one with the huge leg" reminds me of when I had my 1950 80" Shovel / Pan Harley. THe muscles in my right leg were getting pretty hard. Had perspiration stains all over the exhaust also. Thanks for the memories. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From solarrog at pacbell.net Sun Jun 12 17:23:10 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:23:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] maytag help References: <20050612.200735.564.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <000501c56fae$16089120$afca7043@D6R3D961> Joe sweat is ok, Tears are not Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Website; scrapologist.com Ham Radio; KG6QKZ Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] maytag help > Hi Roger, > > Now that you said, "You will be the one with the huge leg" > reminds me of when I had my 1950 80" Shovel / Pan Harley. > THe muscles in my right leg were getting pretty hard. > Had perspiration stains all over the exhaust also. > > Thanks for the memories. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Jun 12 17:42:50 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:42:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Recovery of a Ruston PB SNo. 227936 Message-ID: <42ACD68A.6040900@steamengine.com.au> Yesterday, the job of rescuing Ruston Hornsby PB SNo. 227936 from the forest was completed... the ugly little monster is now sitting in the trailer at home. For the original story and photos of the engine... http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/rh-pb3/index.html Or if you just want to cut to the chase! http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/rh-pb3/index.html#June_2005_Update Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 11/06/2005 From ivancou at alltel.net Sun Jun 12 18:21:56 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 21:21:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT-Amish Restraint Laws References: <20050607115444.6267.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> <42A5D93F.6070905@scrtc.com><016f01c56b93$30092f40$611117d1@net.telenet.net> <42ACC7FA.408@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <003a01c56fb6$49fee620$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Paul , Trouble is they won't fight back and the local powers know it . Example ,I've been dealing with them the last year buying steel siding for a expansion on my garage. A guy gave them a bad check for some steel siding , they tried calling but he wouldn't answer his phone or his door. So I took the guys phone number and ran it on the internet , it was a cell phone . So chances are he's using the caller id to screen his calls. I explained it to Danny that he should go to the local magistrate and file a complaint and they would get him his money . No ,he'd rather just write it off on his books than do that . The check was only for $ 200 ,but thats still $200 . ? Thats their way. The ones I've been dealing with are really nice people who are hard working craftsmen and are gaining quite a reputation for their work . Ivan From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Jun 12 18:47:59 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:47:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT-Amish Restraint Laws In-Reply-To: <003a01c56fb6$49fee620$6401a8c0@alltel.net> References: <20050607115444.6267.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> <42A5D93F.6070905@scrtc.com><016f01c56b93$30092f40$611117d1@net.telenet.net> <42ACC7FA.408@steamengine.com.au> <003a01c56fb6$49fee620$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Message-ID: <42ACE5CF.7040703@steamengine.com.au> Don't forget the ones close to our hearts.... Cattail foundry is Amish isn't it? Paul ivan wrote: > Paul , Trouble is they won't fight back and the local powers know it . > Example ,I've been dealing with them the last year buying steel siding for > a expansion on my garage. A guy gave them a bad check for some steel siding > , they tried calling but he wouldn't answer his phone or his door. So I took > the guys phone number and ran it on the internet , it was a cell phone . So > chances are he's using the caller id to screen his calls. I explained it to > Danny that he should go to the local magistrate and file a complaint and > they would get him his money . No ,he'd rather just write it off on his > books than do that . The check was only for $ 200 ,but thats still $200 . > ? Thats their way. The ones I've been dealing with are really nice > people who are hard working craftsmen and are gaining quite a reputation for > their work . Ivan > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 11/06/2005 From todengine at zoominternet.net Sun Jun 12 19:11:51 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:11:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT-Amish Restraint Laws References: <20050607115444.6267.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> <42A5D93F.6070905@scrtc.com><016f01c56b93$30092f40$611117d1@net.telenet.net> <42ACC7FA.408@steamengine.com.au><003a01c56fb6$49fee620$6401a8c0@alltel.net> <42ACE5CF.7040703@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <005801c56fbd$4330f070$a65bef18@pengy> I was speaking with an Amish man who stopped by the Tod Engine last weekend and he says that Cattail is so busy with their existing work that they have stopped advertising. That's real good news for me, as I need some of that work to head my way! Maybe I need to start advertising!! Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works "Iron and Bronze Casting Services" 100 South Bridge Street Bldg. F Struthers, OH 44471 http://www.todengine.org/engineworks.html 330-728-2799 All proceeds from Casting Sales benefit restoration of the historic Tod Steam Engine! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT-Amish Restraint Laws > Don't forget the ones close to our hearts.... Cattail foundry is Amish > isn't it? > > Paul > > ivan wrote: >> Paul , Trouble is they won't fight back and the local powers know it . >> Example ,I've been dealing with them the last year buying steel siding >> for >> a expansion on my garage. A guy gave them a bad check for some steel >> siding >> , they tried calling but he wouldn't answer his phone or his door. So I >> took >> the guys phone number and ran it on the internet , it was a cell phone . >> So >> chances are he's using the caller id to screen his calls. I explained it >> to >> Danny that he should go to the local magistrate and file a complaint and >> they would get him his money . No ,he'd rather just write it off on his >> books than do that . The check was only for $ 200 ,but thats still $200 . >> ? Thats their way. The ones I've been dealing with are really nice >> people who are hard working craftsmen and are gaining quite a reputation >> for >> their work . Ivan >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 11/06/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Jun 12 19:28:19 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:28:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally Message-ID: <20050613022819.TGMH27377.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Home again after another excellent weekend. I left home Friday and after a 6 hour drive arrived in Manilla at sunset. I unloaded the 5.5hp Buzacott and went to set up camp. I drove up to town to get something to eat and found the ultimate convenience store, a combined fruit & vegetable/ caf?/ bottle shop! Well supplied I headed back to our camp where we had a great night telling lies around the fire. Saturday the engines were uncovered (and more arrived). There was a huge number and astonishing array of engines. There was well over 150 engines as well as a big display of steam and lots of tractors. There were a couple of early Crossleys, Hornsbys, an Akroyd, Tangyes, Hercules, various IHC, Associateds, and many more. My favourite, and probably the rarest thing there, was a San Francisco Hercules. I have only seen one other of these in the flesh and was amazed to see one running. Very impressive. Late Saturday afternoon it started to rain but there were no complaints as the area is suffering from a long draught. We weatherproofed our camping area and headed off to the dinner where there was a big crowd and a good meal. Saturday night was spent sheltering from the rain around the fire and telling more lies ;) It rained off and on during the night and there were a few more showers on Sunday. The Buzacott ran fine on Saturday but come Sunday morning it would not start. Lack of spark was found to be the problem. The engine had a modern automotive lead on it which was there when I bought it and I had been meaning to replace it.... The damp weather caused a complete failure but a new lead and the engine started first pull. At midday I decided to grab a break between the showers and load up for the long trip home getting home after dark Sunday night. I took 200 photos on Saturday and more on Sunday but my second memory card decided to have a fit and I lost the Sunday photos :( Manilla put on one of the best rallies I have been to and I will certainly be there next time. I will put some photos up when I finish sorting them out. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Jun 12 22:12:21 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:12:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally In-Reply-To: <20050613022819.TGMH27377.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <20050613051219.JMLF4114.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Pictures can now be found at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man051.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From gibsongus at myway.com Sun Jun 12 22:25:14 2005 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 01:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytag engine Help Message-ID: <20050613052514.4FED739F4@mprdmxin.myway.com> John if it is a twin {2cyl} the gas tank has to be{almost} air tight for it to work. Good luck,-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Sun 06/12, John E. Hart < cuz904_99 at yahoo.com > wrote: From: John E. Hart [mailto: cuz904_99 at yahoo.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:56:12 -0700 (PDT)Subject: [SEL] Maytag engine HelpAll: I have a 1924 Maytag engine, it will run forabout two or three strokes then stop. I have put a newspark plug in and fresh gas. My final results are thesame. Does anyone have any good suggestions? Thanks,John HartMentone, Indiana__________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jun 13 05:54:41 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 05:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question In-Reply-To: <005801c56fbd$4330f070$a65bef18@pengy> References: <20050607115444.6267.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> <42A5D93F.6070905@scrtc.com><016f01c56b93$30092f40$611117d1@net.telenet.net> <42ACC7FA.408@steamengine.com.au><003a01c56fb6$49fee620$6401a8c0@alltel.net> <42ACE5CF.7040703@steamengine.com.au> <005801c56fbd$4330f070$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <1544.165.206.180.144.1118667281.squirrel@antique-engines.com> I've used Lee W. Pedersen's gas tank sealer several times in the past and really like it. I've run tanks for 6 or 7 years with no failures and the stuff sticks great. Now the question - I have a car gas tank that is very scaly inside - chunks, pretty bad, yet still solid, not worried about leaks, just plugged fuel filters. I'm going to flush it out really well. Lee has no phone or fax listed, you must know what you want and order it. does anyone have any idea how much of this sort of sealer would be needed for a 16-18 gallon tank? 2 quarts? A gallon? You pour it in, shake and roll the tank to coat the inside then pour the excess out. I don't want to spend $100 for a gallon if 2 quarts would be plenty. Bill Runnells, Iowa (We can stop work on the ark now, the rain is nearly over..........) From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Jun 13 06:08:15 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:08:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Echuca Steam & Horse Festival 2005 - Report and Photos Message-ID: <42AD853F.6000608@steamengine.com.au> http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/echuca_vic_2005/index.html These are pictures from the 2005 Echuca Steam Horse Vintage Rally. This is one of my favourite rallies in the year and I try and get there every time. It is held on the Queens Birthday weekend in June each year in Echuca Victoria. The city is a famous river port with a rich steam history much of which comes out to play at this show. This year there was an excellent steam turnout. The weather started out poor, but fined up to a really nice couple of days. I was there on the Saturday. After a seven hour drive (why to people drive at 40 in 100 zones?) from Emerald to Echuca which should have taken 3 hours I was ready for the show... what was left of it. It was absolutely worth it, especially catching up with the crew of Moses again after so long. Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 11/06/2005 From brock at netspeed.com.au Mon Jun 13 06:23:58 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:23:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally References: <20050613051219.JMLF4114.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <001601c5701b$2a206080$5f11fea9@merlin> thanks for the pics Patrick Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; "'Stationary Engine Mailing List'" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 3:12 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Manilla Rally > Pictures can now be found at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man051.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Jun 13 06:35:45 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:35:45 EDT Subject: [SEL] Recovery of a Ruston PB SNo. 227936 Message-ID: <1a8.395ae170.2fdee5b1@aol.com> In a message dated 6/12/2005 9:06:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pjp at steamengine.com.au writes: << the ugly little monster is now sitting in the trailer at home. >> Paul, An "original" engine for sure!!! Enjoyed the write up. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From howard.bottles at austin.ppdi.com Mon Jun 13 06:39:29 2005 From: howard.bottles at austin.ppdi.com (Howard Bottles) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:39:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Engine HP In-Reply-To: <004e01c56e26$43678ec0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> References: <42A855A1.5040800@austin.ppdi.com> <004e01c56e26$43678ec0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Message-ID: <42AD8C91.7020400@austin.ppdi.com> Thanks for that link Howard ivan wrote: >Howard , I ran across an article on Gibson Mfg that says the AEH was 6 hp >. Ivan http://home.bluegrass.net/~dbaas/History.html > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > ______________________________________________________________________ This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or a person responsible for delivering this transmission to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this transmission and that any disclosure, copying, printing, distribution or use of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or return email and delete the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving in any manner. From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jun 13 06:52:37 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 06:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytag engine Help In-Reply-To: <20050613052514.4FED739F4@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050613052514.4FED739F4@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <1820.165.206.180.144.1118670757.squirrel@antique-engines.com> FYI - I believe a 1924 maytag will be a single cyl with the alum carb on the "back end". The twins started in the late 30's Actually, you won't want the tank airtight on a twin (or most engines), there is a vent hole that must be open. You want a decent seal between the crankcase and the tank, but it's not necessary to it running. The fuel is picked up into the block so the tank has little to do with it unless it's air-tight, then it could starve for fuel. John - here's a "me too" - check the check valve, be sure it works, check the "carb" to be sure it's clean. It's pretty simple so remove, check, fix and reinstall. Be sure the carb to block seal is good or it will suck air. Same if bushings are worn, it'll suck air. (Dave believes maytags always suck air anyway.........) Bill > John if it is a twin {2cyl} the gas tank has to be{almost} air tight for > it to work. Good luck,-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Sun 06/12, > John E. Hart < cuz904_99 at yahoo.com > wrote: > From: John E. Hart [mailto: cuz904_99 at yahoo.com]To: > sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:56:12 -0700 > (PDT)Subject: [SEL] Maytag engine HelpAll: I have a 1924 Maytag engine, it > will run forabout two or three strokes then stop. I have put a newspark > plug in and fresh gas. My final results are thesame. Does anyone have any > good suggestions? Thanks,John HartMentone, > Indiana__________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online > with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html_______________________________________________SEL > mailing > listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jun 13 07:49:26 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:49:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question In-Reply-To: <1544.165.206.180.144.1118667281.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <20050613144926.26431.qmail@web25508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Bill > does anyone have any idea how much of this sort of sealer would be needed > for a 16-18 gallon tank? 2 quarts? A gallon? I used a similar sort of gunge (Woolies Slosh Tank Sealant, manufactured by 3M) on my classic car in the UK. I used a quart of the stuff in a 14 (UK) gallon tank and it lasted for more than 15 years. Hope this helps. Regards Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Jun 13 08:12:23 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:12:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally In-Reply-To: <20050613051219.JMLF4114.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <200506131512.j5DFCPJu028362@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Pictures can now be found at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man051.html Hi Patrick, Thanks for sharing the pictures. Of particular interest was the picture of the H'royd. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man05/man05131.JPG On the side of the valve chest is a big red polyp. In another picture you zoomed in on it. What is it? Rob From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Jun 13 09:01:43 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:01:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question Message-ID: <20050613.120951.500.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Bill, Concerning Gas Tank Sealer - I don't mean to sway business away from Lee. Even at 2 qts. you're talking 60$ plus shipping. Being that you're going to remove the tank anyway - Why not put some aggrigate in it - some solvent and clean it out. Rinse it and dry it good and go with that. No Sealer. I don't know what a new tank might cost but I would think you're going to spend over half the price of a new one just sealing an old one. And - more work. Just my 2 cents Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jun 13 10:19:28 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question In-Reply-To: <20050613.120951.500.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050613.120951.500.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <2252.165.206.180.144.1118683168.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Joe - understand and appreciate. I've been washing/rinsing. I'm afraid since rust has started, not sealing it will only allow more rust and scale to develope and get into the gas. Not too worried about cost of repair since you can't buy these tanks - it's for a 1969 Javelin SST (not mine, my brother's) Looks like condensation got to it. Tank is off and sitting in my garage. I rinsed it with clear water 3 times Sunday. If I find a used tank, I'm probably looking at $200 - $300 for tank plus shipping. Then I wonder about condition since it will be at least 30 to 35 years old and from a parts car that has sat for how many years. So, it may not be perfect, but there is some logic perhaps in attempting to salvage a "know condition tank". I have considered simply giving it a very good cleaning, using rock, nuts n bolts, whatever, to swish around in there to break things loose. At this point, nothing is settled and I'm open to options such as yours! (besides, Scot will pretty much go along with whatever I tell him to do with it, he'd spend the money on it) I'm also of the thought that whatever comes of this, it will be an education for the next old engine I fix up! (like my Associated water cooled with the cool gas tank with the raised name, or my herc, or F&J, or whatever that has a steel tank) Bill > Hi Bill, > > Concerning Gas Tank Sealer - > I don't mean to sway business away from Lee. > Even at 2 qts. you're talking 60$ plus shipping. > > Being that you're going to remove the tank anyway - Why not > put some aggrigate in it - some solvent and clean it out. > > Rinse it and dry it good and go with that. No Sealer. > > I don't know what a new tank might cost but I would think you're going to > spend > over half the price of a new one just sealing an old one. > And - more work. > > Just my 2 cents > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Jun 13 11:01:41 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:01:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question Message-ID: <20050613.110141.101.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Bill. Have you given any thought to cutting a hole in the top of the tank where it cant be seen. Sand blast the inside of the tank clean and solder or braze the hole closed. This would give a clean tank at a low cost. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jun 13 11:06:10 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:06:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question In-Reply-To: <2252.165.206.180.144.1118683168.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <20050613.120951.500.2.jlb94@juno.com> <2252.165.206.180.144.1118683168.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <42ADCB12.8040409@imc-group.com> Bill, I think the tank sealer you are referring to is a white rubbery stuff that is not two part. You slosh it in the tank and pour out the excess. I'll tell you a story that may have you reconsidering using it. When I got my Abby tank the tank has been sloshed with the product you mention. For some reason it did not adhere and before long chunks were coming loose and clogging the fuel pick up line. I took the tank out and began a LONG process of soaking it in lacquer thinner to get the stuff loose. Then piece by piece I removed them thru the gas filler hole with a pair of needle nosed pliers. Once done and dried I used a 2 part gasoline proof epoxy to slosh the tank with. Joe (in Maine, can't think of his last name at the moment) used to sell it under the QuicPoly name. It is good stuff! I think it has changed hands and was sold under the XP2000 name for a while. I just tried and couldn't find it again on the net but did find this product. http://www.caswellplating.com/aids/epoxygas.htm I have had the 2 quarts of QuikPoly for a lot of years now and it is good stuff. I have used it on my Ford tractor gas tank and all the gas engine tanks as an extra insurance policy against leaks. So far it is still in place and working well. It is very thin like water and it allows you to slosh it all over the inside of the tank before it sets up. It sets in a couple of minutes so you better be quick about it. I believe your tank will have baffles within and the thick product you mentioned may well fill in the cross over holes. The thin QuikPoly is not as apt to do that. The this QuikPoly will also do an excellent job of tieing (sp?) up the loose rust and grit leaving you with a clean tank. Just my thoughts for what its' worth. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >Joe - understand and appreciate. I've been washing/rinsing. I'm afraid >since rust has started, not sealing it will only allow more rust and scale >to develope and get into the gas. >Not too worried about cost of repair since you can't buy these tanks - >it's for a 1969 Javelin SST (not mine, my brother's) >Looks like condensation got to it. >Tank is off and sitting in my garage. I rinsed it with clear water 3 times >Sunday. >If I find a used tank, I'm probably looking at $200 - $300 for tank plus >shipping. Then I wonder about condition since it will be at least 30 to 35 >years old and from a parts car that has sat for how many years. So, it may >not be perfect, but there is some logic perhaps in attempting to salvage a >"know condition tank". >I have considered simply giving it a very good cleaning, using rock, nuts >n bolts, whatever, to swish around in there to break things loose. >At this point, nothing is settled and I'm open to options such as yours! >(besides, Scot will pretty much go along with whatever I tell him to do >with it, he'd spend the money on it) > >I'm also of the thought that whatever comes of this, it will be an >education for the next old engine I fix up! (like my Associated water >cooled with the cool gas tank with the raised name, or my herc, or F&J, or >whatever that has a steel tank) > >Bill > > > >>Hi Bill, >> >>Concerning Gas Tank Sealer - >>I don't mean to sway business away from Lee. >>Even at 2 qts. you're talking 60$ plus shipping. >> >>Being that you're going to remove the tank anyway - Why not >>put some aggrigate in it - some solvent and clean it out. >> >>Rinse it and dry it good and go with that. No Sealer. >> >>I don't know what a new tank might cost but I would think you're going to >>spend >>over half the price of a new one just sealing an old one. >>And - more work. >> >>Just my 2 cents >> >>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >>jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz >> ,-._,-. "What I can do, >> \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) >> (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Jun 13 11:05:54 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:05:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally Message-ID: <20050613.110555.101.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Nice pictures as usual Patrick. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:12:21 +1000 "Patrick M Livingstone" writes: > Pictures can now be found at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man051.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sun Jun 12 23:17:06 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:17:06 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally References: <20050613051219.JMLF4114.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <000d01c56fdf$895227a0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Thanks for sharing the pics Patrick, it was good looking after wake-up and a nice cup of coffee. Interesting parts Brad was showing. Good to see Peter Lowe was still in perfect shape :o) John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Pictures can now be found at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man051.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jun 13 11:20:04 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:20:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SIAM? In-Reply-To: <200506131512.j5DFCPJu028362@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200506131512.j5DFCPJu028362@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <42ADCE54.50809@imc-group.com> Guys, How was the SIAM show? It really felt strange not going to Evansville this year and can't wait to hear about it and see some pictures. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From BillMil357 at aol.com Mon Jun 13 11:53:47 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:53:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] SIAM? Message-ID: <99.605bcc62.2fdf303b@aol.com> Hi Curt; Had a good time at the SIAM Show, My Sony that uses a 3 1/2 floppy disc, quit working and I took my daughters Sony that uses a memory stick, my daughter has gone to Florida on vacation and I don't know how to get my pictures off the stick, so that is where I am on pictures LOL. It rained quite a bit, we left Sun. morning and it rained all down across KY. until we hit TN. so it may have rained in Eville most of the day Sun. There were a lot of engines at the show. We had about 24 at the LOG INN for Dinner Fri. night and we sure missed your family. See'ya, Bill Miller. From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jun 13 12:13:18 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question In-Reply-To: <20050613.110141.101.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20050613.110141.101.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <2655.165.206.180.144.1118689998.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Actually, the thought has crossed my mind. I suspect it may be easier to cut and patch than clean the way it is....... I'm not ruling it out. They did that for the club's fire truck. Fellow cut in 3 holes and then put in flanges and screwed the covers to the flanges, looks factory! That fuel tank is nearly as wide as the truck. Bill > Hi Bill. > Have you given any thought to cutting a hole in the top of the tank where > it cant be seen. Sand blast the inside of the tank clean and solder or > braze the hole closed. This would give a clean tank at a low cost. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside California USA > http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Jun 13 12:14:13 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:14:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question In-Reply-To: <42ADCB12.8040409@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200506131914.j5DJEEHS001685@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > When I got my Abby tank the tank has been sloshed with the product > you mention. For some reason it did not adhere and before long > chunks were coming loose and clogging the fuel pick up line. Yep. I've had the same nasty results. >Once done and dried I used a 2 part gasoline > proof epoxy to slosh the tank with. Joe (in Maine, can't think of his > last name at the moment) Joe Kelley. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kelley/index.htm > I think it has changed hands and was sold under > the XP2000 name for a while. http://www.xp2000.com/ =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jun 13 12:36:24 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] SIAM? In-Reply-To: <42ADCE54.50809@imc-group.com> References: <200506131512.j5DFCPJu028362@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <42ADCE54.50809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, SIAM was a great show as always. I think the engine you needed to see was the Abanaque saw rig. Just awesome. Maybe 6 or 7 hp, buzz saw rig on one end, big pitman arm on one side that you could attach a drag saw blade to. That drag saw blade had to be 15' long. Wicked cool machine!! One neat pic was Glenn Karch (the real McCoy) standing between his Plesseville and my Robertsonville (two French Canadian copies of US engines - Herc & Waterloo). See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Curt wrote: > How was the SIAM show? It really felt strange not going to Evansville > this year and can't wait to hear about it and see some pictures. From falcon at telenet.net Mon Jun 13 12:48:00 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:48:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question References: <20050613.120951.500.2.jlb94@juno.com> <2252.165.206.180.144.1118683168.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <002e01c57050$ceb6aca0$931117d1@net.telenet.net> Bill, Beg, buy, borrow or steal a steam cleaner. Hit the inside of that tank REAL good with it. That will knock 90 percent of the crud out. Then use something like quick poly (XM2000) to coat the interior. OR take it to a radiator shop and have them boil it out and coat it. There are also places that specialize in gas tanks (Gas Tank Renu is one I know of) http://www.gastankrenu.com/welcome.htm I had a local one do a Scout tank after I made it out of steel. They bead blast the outside, steam clean the inside and coat both sides with special sealers. The one I had done turned out great. Price wise it was about 75.00 total. Lifetime guarantee as well. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question > Joe - understand and appreciate. I've been washing/rinsing. I'm afraid > since rust has started, not sealing it will only allow more rust and scale > to develope and get into the gas. > Not too worried about cost of repair since you can't buy these tanks - > it's for a 1969 Javelin SST (not mine, my brother's) > Looks like condensation got to it. > Tank is off and sitting in my garage. I rinsed it with clear water 3 times > Sunday. > If I find a used tank, I'm probably looking at $200 - $300 for tank plus > shipping. Then I wonder about condition since it will be at least 30 to 35 > years old and from a parts car that has sat for how many years. So, it may > not be perfect, but there is some logic perhaps in attempting to salvage a > "know condition tank". > I have considered simply giving it a very good cleaning, using rock, nuts > n bolts, whatever, to swish around in there to break things loose. > At this point, nothing is settled and I'm open to options such as yours! > (besides, Scot will pretty much go along with whatever I tell him to do > with it, he'd spend the money on it) > > I'm also of the thought that whatever comes of this, it will be an > education for the next old engine I fix up! (like my Associated water > cooled with the cool gas tank with the raised name, or my herc, or F&J, or > whatever that has a steel tank) > > Bill > > > Hi Bill, > > > > Concerning Gas Tank Sealer - > > I don't mean to sway business away from Lee. > > Even at 2 qts. you're talking 60$ plus shipping. > > > > Being that you're going to remove the tank anyway - Why not > > put some aggrigate in it - some solvent and clean it out. > > > > Rinse it and dry it good and go with that. No Sealer. > > > > I don't know what a new tank might cost but I would think you're going to > > spend > > over half the price of a new one just sealing an old one. > > And - more work. > > > > Just my 2 cents > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From don.h at wcoil.com Mon Jun 13 13:24:44 2005 From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:24:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question References: <20050613.120951.500.2.jlb94@juno.com> <2252.165.206.180.144.1118683168.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <002201c57055$efbc6700$152ea8c0@shuttle> Best thing to use I have found is a handfull of dry wall screws put in the tank and shake it will dislodge rust and scale fast then you can find all kinds of sealers in Hemmings magazine there all pretty much the same thing you get a qt put it in and slosh it around drain it out let it dry and do it again it will seal all dust and junk that you cant get out with your air hose ect dont flush the stuff out with water !!! you will have left over water in the seams and the sealer doesn^t like wet spots at all use something that will dry like gas or something that will dissapate by it self Don in Ohio From glenn.karch at gte.net Mon Jun 13 14:46:31 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:46:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SIAM? References: <200506131512.j5DFCPJu028362@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <42ADCE54.50809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004001c57061$5e3fb820$41b9123f@oemcomputer> Curt, At SIAM, we had a decent Friday, a wonderful Saturday and a complete rain out on Sunday. There were a lot of things to see and a lot more tractors than in the past. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:20 PM Subject: [SEL] SIAM? > Guys, > How was the SIAM show? It really felt strange not going to Evansville > this year and can't wait to hear about it and see some pictures. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Mon Jun 13 16:21:03 2005 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:21:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally In-Reply-To: <20050613051219.JMLF4114.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Hi Patrick, Looks like a great rally mate. Thanks for a top report and, as usual, a fantastic set of pics. Must try and get up there some day. Lyndsay >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" , > "'Stationary Engine Mailing List'" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Manilla Rally >Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:12:21 +1000 > >Pictures can now be found at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man051.html > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 13 17:15:22 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 10:15:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Kelly Duplex Message-ID: Hi All, still trying to find out some imformation on a kelly duplex no 30 mill [grister]. What i would like to know is what the original colour is and what the hopper was made out of ie wood or sheet steel. Any imformation would be much apprieciated as i would liketo restore this item for the up coming rally season. thanks Dave in oz _________________________________________________________________ Free wallpapers on Level 9 http://level9.ninemsn.com.au/default.aspx From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Jun 13 17:40:06 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:40:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Kelly Duplex Message-ID: <410-2200562140406125@coastalnet.com> Hi Dave, While I don't know the original colour/color, I do have an earlier catalog online at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ephemera/kelly.html Don't know if that will be helpful or not. Perhaps the early #3 is the same as your later #30. Take care. Ken Christison www.oldiron-nut.com www.gristmillers.com > [Original Message] > From: David Nicolson > To: > Date: 6/13/2005 8:15:22 PM > Subject: [SEL] Kelly Duplex > > Hi All, still trying to find out some imformation on a kelly duplex no 30 > mill [grister]. What i would like to know is what the original colour is and > what the hopper was made out of ie wood or sheet steel. Any imformation > would be much apprieciated as i would liketo restore this item for the up > coming rally season. thanks Dave in oz > > _________________________________________________________________ > Free wallpapers on Level 9 http://level9.ninemsn.com.au/default.aspx > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Jun 13 17:46:46 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:46:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] maytag help In-Reply-To: <20050612.200735.564.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050612.200735.564.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <5d136c077b4c9565e50445b43583d18f@chartertn.net> > Now that you said, "You will be the one with the huge leg" > reminds me of when I had my 1950 80" Shovel / Pan Harley. > THe muscles in my right leg were getting pretty hard. > Had perspiration stains all over the exhaust also. Been there, done that. Mine was a '63 FL. When I was riding it regularly and everything was just right, I'd give it one priming kick and one with the switch on, and it'd fire right up. Impressed bystanders. If I let it sit more than a few days, it'd get really cranky! I've worn myself to sweat-drenched exhaustion and ended up pushing it down a hill. If I didn't use at least third gear, it'd slide to a stop when I let out the clutch and I'd really cuss in despair. If someone tried it who forgot to retard the spark with the left handgrip, it'd launch 'em moonward. My brother got the heel kicked off of one of his shoes that way. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Jun 13 17:58:21 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:58:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question Message-ID: <20050613.205829.800.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Bill - I DO understand - I have recently run across a company called LMC Truck. They have tanks listed in their catalog ( about $200 ) for 1948 to 1972 Trucks. I'm thinking there MUST be a "circle" where someone is making replacements. Have you checked with J.C. Whitney (Yuck) and / or other antique suppliers ? Of course, in the end, you have to do what you have to do. = = = = = = I have a real nice bench seat that I picked up for my truck. Installed it and didn't like the way it sat. (Too cushy - Too Low ) Fixed up my old seat with awning material and installed it back today. Now I have a bench seat for sale. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 13 18:30:56 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:30:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Kelly Duplex In-Reply-To: <410-2200562140406125@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: thanks for the reply. My mill is different to the ones in the catologue, i presume it must be a later one. Hopefully someone outthere will be able to help me. once again thanks Ken. Dave in oz >From: "Ken Christison" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Kelly Duplex >Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:40:06 -0400 > >Hi Dave, > >While I don't know the original colour/color, I do have an earlier catalog >online at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ephemera/kelly.html >Don't know if that will be helpful or not. Perhaps the early #3 is the >same as >your later #30. > >Take care. > >Ken Christison >www.oldiron-nut.com >www.gristmillers.com > > > > [Original Message] > > From: David Nicolson > > To: > > Date: 6/13/2005 8:15:22 PM > > Subject: [SEL] Kelly Duplex > > > > Hi All, still trying to find out some imformation on a kelly duplex no >30 > > mill [grister]. What i would like to know is what the original colour is >and > > what the hopper was made out of ie wood or sheet steel. Any imformation > > would be much apprieciated as i would liketo restore this item for the >up > > coming rally season. thanks Dave in oz > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Free wallpapers on Level 9 http://level9.ninemsn.com.au/default.aspx > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Try Random Place the soap opera for your mobile 4 free. SMS the word TRY to 0415RANMDOM http://www.randomplace.com.au/ninemsn From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jun 13 19:17:39 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:17:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] happy birthday In-Reply-To: <89a285b87ac81ea63e684f552c2e8cc3@chartertn.net> References: <000601c56dba$e4da3ee0$adcb8890@chaos> <89a285b87ac81ea63e684f552c2e8cc3@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050613221650.0d5e7c98@mail.alltel.net> At 03:21 PM 6/10/2005, you wrote: >Yesterday was Les Paul's 90th birthday. He's still doing gigs at 8:00 and >10:00 every Monday night at the Iridium Jazz Club in New York City. >John Who the hell is Les Paul--and who the hell cares? Dave From lfevans at pacbell.net Mon Jun 13 19:18:32 2005 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:18:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New acquisition Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050613191804.026e3ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi...... My brother and I recently got hold of a really neat old air compressor on a big cart with tall steel wheels. At present it is powered by an electric 3 hp. three phase motor but the original LeRoi MH 3 power unit came along with it. The plan is to put the LeRoi back on the cart to power the compressor if it proves to be machanically sound. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/leroi/ to see some pictures of both units. It seems that literature is a little scarce for LeRoi engines and would like to know if what Ed at Hit and Miss Ent. has covers this model. It is a 2 cylinder upright hopper cooled machine in a factory made enclosure. I have not had time yet to look real close but it seems intact and externally everything seems in good shape and it is not stuck. Also would like to know approximate date of manufacture and horsepower and rpm for it. Since there are not too many pictures on the new web page I tried using thumbnails that are large enough to view in their own right but are clickable for larger images. I'd like to know if this works out o.k. for dial up connections or if I should go back to smaller thumbnails. Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jun 13 19:31:13 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:31:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question In-Reply-To: <42ADCB12.8040409@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200506140231.j5E2VHTT022664@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Here's the reply from the new company - xp2000: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hi Bill The chemical company changed the formula on us, so XP2000, at this time does not work well for tank sealer. We are woking on a solution, but to date we do not have a formula that would work. Sorry Dave - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Just in case anyone is wondering or looking for the replacement, forget it for fuel tanks at this time. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:06 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question Bill, I think the tank sealer you are referring to is a white rubbery stuff that is not two part. You slosh it in the tank and pour out the excess. I'll tell you a story that may have you reconsidering using it. When I got my Abby tank the tank has been sloshed with the product you mention. For some reason it did not adhere and before long chunks were coming loose and clogging the fuel pick up line. I took the tank out and began a LONG process of soaking it in lacquer thinner to get the stuff loose. Then piece by piece I removed them thru the gas filler hole with a pair of needle nosed pliers. Once done and dried I used a 2 part gasoline proof epoxy to slosh the tank with. Joe (in Maine, can't think of his last name at the moment) used to sell it under the QuicPoly name. It is good stuff! I think it has changed hands and was sold under the XP2000 name for a while. I just tried and couldn't find it again on the net but did find this product. http://www.caswellplating.com/aids/epoxygas.htm I have had the 2 quarts of QuikPoly for a lot of years now and it is good stuff. I have used it on my Ford tractor gas tank and all the gas engine tanks as an extra insurance policy against leaks. So far it is still in place and working well. It is very thin like water and it allows you to slosh it all over the inside of the tank before it sets up. It sets in a couple of minutes so you better be quick about it. I believe your tank will have baffles within and the thick product you mentioned may well fill in the cross over holes. The thin QuikPoly is not as apt to do that. The this QuikPoly will also do an excellent job of tieing (sp?) up the loose rust and grit leaving you with a clean tank. Just my thoughts for what its' worth. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >Joe - understand and appreciate. I've been washing/rinsing. I'm afraid >since rust has started, not sealing it will only allow more rust and >scale to develope and get into the gas. >Not too worried about cost of repair since you can't buy these tanks - >it's for a 1969 Javelin SST (not mine, my brother's) Looks like >condensation got to it. >Tank is off and sitting in my garage. I rinsed it with clear water 3 >times Sunday. >If I find a used tank, I'm probably looking at $200 - $300 for tank >plus shipping. Then I wonder about condition since it will be at least >30 to 35 years old and from a parts car that has sat for how many >years. So, it may not be perfect, but there is some logic perhaps in >attempting to salvage a "know condition tank". >I have considered simply giving it a very good cleaning, using rock, >nuts n bolts, whatever, to swish around in there to break things loose. >At this point, nothing is settled and I'm open to options such as yours! >(besides, Scot will pretty much go along with whatever I tell him to do >with it, he'd spend the money on it) > >I'm also of the thought that whatever comes of this, it will be an >education for the next old engine I fix up! (like my Associated water >cooled with the cool gas tank with the raised name, or my herc, or F&J, >or whatever that has a steel tank) > >Bill > > > >>Hi Bill, >> >>Concerning Gas Tank Sealer - >>I don't mean to sway business away from Lee. >>Even at 2 qts. you're talking 60$ plus shipping. >> >>Being that you're going to remove the tank anyway - Why not put some >>aggrigate in it - some solvent and clean it out. >> >>Rinse it and dry it good and go with that. No Sealer. >> >>I don't know what a new tank might cost but I would think you're going >>to spend over half the price of a new one just sealing an old one. >>And - more work. >> >>Just my 2 cents >> >>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >>jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz >> ,-._,-. "What I can do, >> \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) >> (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Jun 13 13:25:05 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:25:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Recoating Brass/Copper Message-ID: <061320052025.17106.42ADEBA10003CDB9000042D221979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi All, Looking for an inexpensive way to recoat steel plates,etc. to brass or copper. Thought that some time ago there was some discussion on this topic. thankyou in advance, Curt Andree From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jun 13 23:13:27 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:13:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally In-Reply-To: <200506131512.j5DFCPJu028362@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <20050614061323.YWZT21432.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Rob, I am not sure of its exact purpose but it is part of the air intake. I am sure there is a very Hornsby reason for it. It is probably something beautifully engineered and complicated to do a simple job ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- > Pictures can now be found at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man051.html Hi Patrick, Thanks for sharing the pictures. Of particular interest was the picture of the H'royd. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man05/man05131.JPG On the side of the valve chest is a big red polyp. In another picture you zoomed in on it. What is it? Rob From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 13 23:46:19 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:46:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Low tension mags Message-ID: Hi All, just thought i would pop this one up for a new thread. How many different low tension mags can you name - wether different models or makers. Dave _________________________________________________________________ REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Jun 13 05:26:09 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:26:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] FF engine dating? References: <3.0.6.32.20050611145936.009aa9e8@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <000601c57013$1552e1d0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 2:59 PM Subject: [SEL] FF engine dating? > Hi all, > Can anyone help in dating a Danish FF engine. I'm making a brass plate for > someone whose is missing. > I have the following details off another identical engine: > No. = 14722 > H.P. = 6-7 > R.P.M. = 8/990 > Year = 1959 > The one I need to date has an engine number of 15194 (472 engines later > than the above) so I assume that it would either be a 1959 or 1960 engine. > I would appreciate if anyone could pinpoint it. > This is one of the few manufacturers that I have come across who actually > put a date on the makers plate. If only more had done so it would make > these things so much easier to research ! > Best regards Jerry Evans. Hi Jerry, I have just spoken to the firm of "FF" in Denmark. (In mixed Danish/English as neither of us were good in the other language) Unfortunately FF were bought out by another firm in 1997 & no history was passed on. FF pumps are still made but the engines on them although badged FF are made by other firms. I have asked a Danish engine collecter to see if he can tie your date down closer. Regards, Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Jun 14 04:57:51 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:57:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] New acquisition In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050613191804.026e3ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Larry, You have a very nice engine there. I have a LeRoi that is identical to yours. Your serial number makes yours earlier than mine. I had mine at Portland last year belted up to a big blower. Sure makes some great stack music. I like it anyway, others may not. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-32.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-33.jpg More pictures can be seen here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/leroi/leroi.html I haven't been able to find anything that really pertains to the hopper cooled engines. I might have a little bit of info at home and I'll take a look for you. The guy that I know that has the most LeRoi information is this guy: Ed Malcom (momalco at olemac.net) 39 malcom lane Pineville mo 64856 He wrote me once and stated: i got gaskets for my engine from olsons gaskets in Washington state. The head was 35 and the manifold was 15 plus about 4 shipping. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================== >From: Larry Evans >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] New acquisition >Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:18:32 -0700 > >Hi...... > >My brother and I recently got hold of a really neat old air compressor on a >big cart with tall steel wheels. At present it is powered by an electric 3 >hp. three phase motor but the original LeRoi MH 3 power unit came along >with it. The plan is to put the LeRoi back on the cart to power the >compressor if it proves to be machanically sound. Take a look at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/leroi/ >to see some pictures of both units. > >It seems that literature is a little scarce for LeRoi engines and would >like to know if what Ed at Hit and Miss Ent. has covers this model. It is >a 2 cylinder upright hopper cooled machine in a factory made enclosure. I >have not had time yet to look real close but it seems intact and externally >everything seems in good shape and it is not stuck. Also would like to >know approximate date of manufacture and horsepower and rpm for it. > >Since there are not too many pictures on the new web page I tried using >thumbnails that are large enough to view in their own right but are >clickable for larger images. I'd like to know if this works out o.k. for >dial up connections or if I should go back to smaller thumbnails. > >Regards, > >Larry Evans >Arcadia, Southern California, USA >MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jun 14 05:16:44 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 06:16:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New acquisition References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050613191804.026e3ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Larry, do you know or ever type at Chris Kirk on Harry's? He does LeRoi's and I think he has a two lunger. Mine is only a single and stuck big time. My other LeRoi is a 4 cyl. OHV and it's a good runner. I'll try to find out his email address..probably could do a search on Harry's also. Once again the engine cover looks very similiar to my Novo Rollr's cover, complete with hinged hasp. LeRoi manuals show up now and then on ebay. I've got a few and will check them out today. There are several others who do LeRoi's, but can't remember their name. The thumbnails work ok for me and I got one of the slowest dialuups on the list. later pard. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 8:18 PM Subject: [SEL] New acquisition > Hi...... > > My brother and I recently got hold of a really neat old air compressor on > a > big cart with tall steel wheels. At present it is powered by an electric > 3 > hp. three phase motor but the original LeRoi MH 3 power unit came along > with it. The plan is to put the LeRoi back on the cart to power the > compressor if it proves to be machanically sound. Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/leroi/ > to see some pictures of both units. > > It seems that literature is a little scarce for LeRoi engines and would > like to know if what Ed at Hit and Miss Ent. has covers this model. It is > a 2 cylinder upright hopper cooled machine in a factory made enclosure. I > have not had time yet to look real close but it seems intact and > externally > everything seems in good shape and it is not stuck. Also would like to > know approximate date of manufacture and horsepower and rpm for it. > > Since there are not too many pictures on the new web page I tried using > thumbnails that are large enough to view in their own right but are > clickable for larger images. I'd like to know if this works out o.k. for > dial up connections or if I should go back to smaller thumbnails. > > Regards, > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jun 14 05:46:41 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 06:46:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New acquisition References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050613191804.026e3ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just looked Larry, and I do have a manual that covers both the hopper cooled and radiator cooled. Nice section on the carb also. Send me your snail and I'll ship it down to ya. later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 8:18 PM Subject: [SEL] New acquisition > Hi...... > > My brother and I recently got hold of a really neat old air compressor on > a > big cart with tall steel wheels. At present it is powered by an electric > 3 > hp. three phase motor but the original LeRoi MH 3 power unit came along > with it. The plan is to put the LeRoi back on the cart to power the > compressor if it proves to be machanically sound. Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/leroi/ > to see some pictures of both units. > > It seems that literature is a little scarce for LeRoi engines and would > like to know if what Ed at Hit and Miss Ent. has covers this model. It is > a 2 cylinder upright hopper cooled machine in a factory made enclosure. I > have not had time yet to look real close but it seems intact and > externally > everything seems in good shape and it is not stuck. Also would like to > know approximate date of manufacture and horsepower and rpm for it. > > Since there are not too many pictures on the new web page I tried using > thumbnails that are large enough to view in their own right but are > clickable for larger images. I'd like to know if this works out o.k. for > dial up connections or if I should go back to smaller thumbnails. > > Regards, > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Jun 14 05:46:58 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:46:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally In-Reply-To: <200506131512.j5DFCPJu028362@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <20050614124654.UBSR27377.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Rob, I checked with my Hornsby expert and he tells me that it is the air filter. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- > Pictures can now be found at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man051.html Hi Patrick, Thanks for sharing the pictures. Of particular interest was the picture of the H'royd. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man05/man05131.JPG On the side of the valve chest is a big red polyp. In another picture you zoomed in on it. What is it? Rob From mtucker at uky.edu Tue Jun 14 06:35:18 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:35:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SIAM? In-Reply-To: <42ADCE54.50809@imc-group.com> References: <200506131512.j5DFCPJu028362@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <42ADCE54.50809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: >How was the SIAM show? Because life has managed to get in the way, it had been a number of years since we had been to the SIAM show but what GREAT show it is!!!!!! It seems to have grown quite a bit since we were there last. I know this is hard to believe for an engine show in Indiana but Friday was a little wet (I'm sure glad it never rains during the Portland show :-)). Saturday was beautiful with a lot of engines running and a great spectator turnout. I agree with Arnie that the star of the show was the 7 hp Abernaque buzz/drag saw rig. Even without the big drag saw hooked up, the pitman arm had some pretty impressive monkey motion. Unfortunately, we didn't have our camera with us on Saturday but I'm sure that someone will post some pictures of it along with some of the other engines. I have to pat the SEL folks on the back because our engines were running pretty much non stop on Friday and Saturday even through the rain on Friday. This included engines with no paint, some original paint, lots of original paint, bright and shiny new paint, mag fired and battery coil fired. During the rain on Friday, which lasted about 3 hours, the SEL engines were the only engines running on the show grounds. I even had one spectator ,who had driven about 300 miles to get to the show, thank me for running our engines. The other engine wimps acted like FATGs and left their stuff, both tarped and untarped, just sit there not running. As a special bonus the food at the Log Inn was fantastic. If you're ever near Evansville, I would highly recommend it. Great food and I guarantee that you won't walk out of there hungry. Throw in a group of great folks and a show just can't get much better. Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jun 14 06:54:20 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 07:54:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New acquisition References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050613191804.026e3ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Take a look here Larry..Luke: http://www.smokstak.com/forum/search.php?searchid=48974 RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New acquisition > Just looked Larry, and I do have a manual that covers both the hopper > cooled and radiator cooled. Nice section on the carb also. > > Send me your snail and I'll ship it down to ya. > > later, > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Evans" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 8:18 PM > Subject: [SEL] New acquisition > > > > Hi...... > > > > My brother and I recently got hold of a really neat old air compressor > > on a > > big cart with tall steel wheels. At present it is powered by an > > electric 3 > > hp. three phase motor but the original LeRoi MH 3 power unit came along > > with it. The plan is to put the LeRoi back on the cart to power the > > compressor if it proves to be machanically sound. Take a look at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/leroi/ > > to see some pictures of both units. > > > > It seems that literature is a little scarce for LeRoi engines and would > > like to know if what Ed at Hit and Miss Ent. has covers this model. It > > is > > a 2 cylinder upright hopper cooled machine in a factory made enclosure. > > I > > have not had time yet to look real close but it seems intact and > > externally > > everything seems in good shape and it is not stuck. Also would like to > > know approximate date of manufacture and horsepower and rpm for it. > > > > Since there are not too many pictures on the new web page I tried using > > thumbnails that are large enough to view in their own right but are > > clickable for larger images. I'd like to know if this works out o.k. > > for > > dial up connections or if I should go back to smaller thumbnails. > > > > Regards, > > > > Larry Evans > > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From andyglines at hotmail.com Tue Jun 14 10:32:58 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:32:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: SIAM? In-Reply-To: <200506141000.j5EA06C9022321@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: > 22. Re: SIAM? (Glenn A Karch) >Message: 22 >Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:46:31 -0500 >From: "Glenn A Karch" >Subject: Re: [SEL] SIAM? >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Message-ID: <004001c57061$5e3fb820$41b9123f at oemcomputer> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Curt, > >At SIAM, we had a decent Friday, a wonderful Saturday and a complete rain >out on Sunday. There were a lot of things to see and a lot more tractors >than in the past. > >Glenn > >Glenn Karch >Haubstadt, IN, USA >Hercules Historian > Glenn put it exactly as I would have. I think that we all had a good time despite the disappointing Sunday conditions. The rain finally stopped about 5:00 PM Sunday. For me there were a few unexpected treats. I fellow from Mt.Vernon IN showed up with a 100hp Fairbanks. Those guys really made a show out of starting the engine periodically and the spectators enjoyed it. Maybe I can use the crowd appeal of the Fairbanks to spurr some activity on the Venn-Sevrin project. I knew that the Kinneys planned a woodworking display for the Antique Building but I didn't expect the level of activity and crowd participation that they had. Every time I went into the building they had a crowd both watching and working. Good job guys! I had another good surprise when I looked up to see a steam traction engine on the grounds Saturday afternoon. Wayne Metzger, who is president of the Antique Steam & Gas Engine Club in Boonville IN, brought his Keck-Gonnerman over for the afternoon. Most of you know that I am a steam nut so I was very happy to see the engine and visit with Wayne. As chairman of the SIAM club I really had only one frustration. I wanted to get around to visit with more people than I did, especially the SEL folks. It seemed as if I were busy doing nothing the entire weekend. To those of you who made it, thanks for coming to help us make it a great show. Curt, we will be looking for you , Missy, and Devin next year. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Jun 14 00:06:35 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:06:35 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally References: <20050614061323.YWZT21432.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <000b01c570af$9daf5b70$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Looking to its shape I would say, it's an Air chamber. The same working as they used on the old pumps. John H. > Hi Rob, > I am not sure of its exact purpose but it is part of the air intake. > I am sure there is a very Hornsby reason for it. It is probably something > beautifully engineered and complicated to do a simple job ;) > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Jun 14 20:36:50 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:36:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual Message-ID: <42AFA252.8020302@earthlink.net> Hi all, Just got this online. Instruction manual for Sattley Kero engine. Don't know if there are any out there, but the manual is now online. http://oldengine.org/members/allen/Sattley/KeroBook/Intro.html Jeff Allen P.S. " Who the hell is Les Paul" Check this link Dave. http://www.iridiumjazzclub.com/les.shtml P.P.S. " and who the hell cares? " I do Dave but then I've done multitrack recording thanks to him. P.P.P.S. Try eggs for breakfast Dave. Someone is shitting in your Wheaties!! From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jun 15 01:44:51 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:44:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Old engines Message-ID: <010e01c57186$9d3f39d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Can any of you help this man please? Answer him directly if you can. Thanks. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rechichi, Daniel" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 3:37 PM Subject: Old engines G'day Reg, Furthering our conversation on the phone today. I have a couple of engines over here in the eastern hills of Perth which were rescued from old farms and paddocks. There are several listers and mcdonalds but the ones I am interested in restoring and which I am finding it hard to get info on are: Blackstone JP1 10hp single flywheel horizontal engine This seems to be complete however disassembled, I also have a new set of rings for the unit which were given to me with the engine. Crossley VO vertical two stoke oil engine. This engine is totally disassembled and looks quite complicated, especially the fuelling system. I have some drawings of the engine but still don't have enough information to determine where all the engine parts belong. I am a member of the machinery preservation society in Perth but no one there has any information on the engine. I am currently sandblasting the Blackstone crankcase preparing for painting and contemplating rebuilding the crossley if I can find the info. I am also worried that there may be items missing from the crossley in which case I will have to build new items. Any help you can offer in relation to these engines would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Daniel. C. Rechichi Design Engineer Silcar Telepower Design and Construction, Western Region Ph (61) 08 9325 8355 Fax (61) 08 9325 8399 Mob 042 938 5678 Email daniel.rechichi at silcar.com.au Web www.silcar.com From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Wed Jun 15 04:08:37 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:08:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] magneto's Message-ID: Is there a web site specializing magneto's, as in the different company's that made them and aslo the different models each company produced including low tension and generators ie wizards Dave _________________________________________________________________ REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Jun 15 04:09:24 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:09:24 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual In-Reply-To: <42AFA252.8020302@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Jeff, I have a 9hp throttle governed Sattley: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/kzoo02/kzoo02-21.jpg I breezed through the pages but haven't read them yet. I will when I get a chance. Thanks for putting them online. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================ >From: Jeff Allen > >Hi all, > >Just got this online. Instruction manual for Sattley Kero engine. Don't >know if there are any out there, but the manual is now online. > >http://oldengine.org/members/allen/Sattley/KeroBook/Intro.html > >Jeff Allen From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jun 15 04:42:24 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:42:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Set-up Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050615074210.02240f40@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, Tomorrow morning at about 9:00 I'll pull out for Coolspring in order to set up the SEL area for the show. By noon our area should be roped off and have SEL signs hung on the ropes. We will be in the 2nd row (to the right) all the way down by the trees. I'll put a SEL sign at the head of the 2nd row with an arrow pointing to the right. Jake Faith will know where we are if you have trouble finding us (HELL, Jake will know where we are even if you don't have trouble finding us!) However, you may have to ask for Dave Rotigel, since the entire show is for Stationary Engines! See those of you who are lucky enough to attend the show this weekend! Dave From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jun 15 04:44:29 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:44:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual In-Reply-To: <42AFA252.8020302@earthlink.net> References: <42AFA252.8020302@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42B0149D.4020506@imc-group.com> Jeff, I thought your eBay comment was excellent! Reading the manual I was surprised at the factory recommendation of 5 drop of cylinder oil per minute per HP. That's WAY more than I tend to run on my engines and the pistons stay whetted with oil. I always figured if there was excess oil running into the crank sump then there was plenty of cylinder oil. I set mine on a few drops per minute regardless of HP. Maybe I'm not oiling enough. How about the rest of you, what kind of oil rates do you use? What do you use as a guide to say you're oiling enough? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > Just got this online. Instruction manual for Sattley Kero engine. > Don't know if there are any out there, but the manual is now online. > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/Sattley/KeroBook/Intro.html > > Jeff Allen > > P.S. " Who the hell is Les Paul" Check this link Dave. > http://www.iridiumjazzclub.com/les.shtml > P.P.S. " and who the hell cares? " I do Dave but then I've done > multitrack recording thanks to him. > P.P.P.S. Try eggs for breakfast Dave. Someone is shitting in your > Wheaties!! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Jun 14 19:22:02 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:22:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Set-up Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050614220956.0225ad30@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, Tomorrow morning at about 9:00 I'll pull out for Coolspring in order to set up the SEL area for the show. By noon our area should be roped off and have SEL signs hung on the ropes. We will be in the 2nd row (to the right) all the way down by the trees. I'll put a SEL sign at the head of the 2nd row with an arrow pointing to the right. Jake Faith will know where we are if you have trouble finding us (HELL, Jake will know where we are even if you don't have trouble finding us!) However, you may have to ask for Dave Rotigel, since the entire show is for Stationary Engines! See those of you who are lucky enough to attend the show this weekend! Dave From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Jun 15 07:34:18 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:34:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual In-Reply-To: <42B0149D.4020506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Curt, Could the higher drip rate have anything to do with burning kerosene for the fuel? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============================= >From: Curt > >Jeff, >I thought your eBay comment was excellent! >Reading the manual I was surprised at the factory recommendation of 5 drop >of cylinder oil per minute per HP. That's WAY more than I tend to run on my >engines and the pistons stay whetted with oil. I always figured if there >was excess oil running into the crank sump then there was plenty of >cylinder oil. I set mine on a few drops per minute regardless of HP. Maybe >I'm not oiling enough. >How about the rest of you, what kind of oil rates do you use? What do you >use as a guide to say you're oiling enough? >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Jun 15 07:41:49 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:41:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual Message-ID: > Jeff, > I thought your eBay comment was excellent! > Reading the manual I was surprised at the factory > recommendation of 5 drop of cylinder oil per minute per HP. > That's WAY more than I tend to run on my engines and the > pistons stay whetted with oil. I always figured if there was > excess oil running into the crank sump then there was plenty > of cylinder oil. I set mine on a few drops per minute > regardless of HP. Maybe I'm not oiling enough. > How about the rest of you, what kind of oil rates do you use? > What do you use as a guide to say you're oiling enough? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC You have to remember that the manual is intended for working engines running at rated RPM's. The factory was probably playing it safe by having the piston over oiled rather than not enough. Since we tend to run our engines much slower than rated speed and don't work our engines like they were built to do, we tend to adjust the drip rate to reflect the needs of a show engine. George From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jun 15 08:23:46 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:23:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42B04802.8060703@imc-group.com> Dunno Luke? As a lubricant kero is actually pretty decent. Much better than gasoline. In fact I lube my EK and PR mags with kero instead of oil. Keeps them working in cold weather. Take my 6 HP Herc (kero) sawrig for example. Per Sattley's instructions I should be dripping 30 drips per minute when working it. I'd never get any wood sawed for all the time I'd be spending filling the #4 oiler! Curt Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Curt, > > Could the higher drip rate have anything to do with burning kerosene > for the fuel? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ============================= > >> From: Curt >> >> Jeff, >> I thought your eBay comment was excellent! >> Reading the manual I was surprised at the factory recommendation of 5 >> drop of cylinder oil per minute per HP. That's WAY more than I tend >> to run on my engines and the pistons stay whetted with oil. I always >> figured if there was excess oil running into the crank sump then >> there was plenty of cylinder oil. I set mine on a few drops per >> minute regardless of HP. Maybe I'm not oiling enough. >> How about the rest of you, what kind of oil rates do you use? What do >> you use as a guide to say you're oiling enough? >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Jun 15 10:40:10 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:40:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally In-Reply-To: <20050614124654.UBSR27377.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <200506151740.j5FHeEm4090303@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > I checked with my Hornsby expert and he tells me that > it is the air filter. That's Patrick. It's cool. Rob From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Jun 15 12:12:05 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:12:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual References: <42B04802.8060703@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00e101c571de$1fabd340$1a496e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> I wonder if the high drip rate is a hope that the engine will always get what it needs and maybe inspire the owner to use oil generously. Too much oil won't hurt anything, the worst thing would be a messy engine. A drawback is that this high drip rate would empty the oiler pretty quick. I disagree with George and his comment that the high drip rate is appropriate if the engine is working hard. I don't see how the engine load and the drip rate are connected, if the piston is wet with oil that is as good as it's going to get, anymore will just run off. I was intrigued by the method of cleaning the rings and grooves by boiling them in lye. Anybody try this or know more about it? Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sattley manual Dunno Luke? As a lubricant kero is actually pretty decent. Much better than gasoline. In fact I lube my EK and PR mags with kero instead of oil. Keeps them working in cold weather. Take my 6 HP Herc (kero) sawrig for example. Per Sattley's instructions I should be dripping 30 drips per minute when working it. I'd never get any wood sawed for all the time I'd be spending filling the #4 oiler! Curt Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Curt, > > Could the higher drip rate have anything to do with burning kerosene > for the fuel? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ============================= > >> From: Curt >> >> Jeff, >> I thought your eBay comment was excellent! >> Reading the manual I was surprised at the factory recommendation of 5 >> drop of cylinder oil per minute per HP. That's WAY more than I tend >> to run on my engines and the pistons stay whetted with oil. I always >> figured if there was excess oil running into the crank sump then >> there was plenty of cylinder oil. I set mine on a few drops per >> minute regardless of HP. Maybe I'm not oiling enough. >> How about the rest of you, what kind of oil rates do you use? What do >> you use as a guide to say you're oiling enough? >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jun 15 13:32:48 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual In-Reply-To: <00e101c571de$1fabd340$1a496e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <42B04802.8060703@imc-group.com> <00e101c571de$1fabd340$1a496e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <4025.165.206.180.144.1118867568.squirrel@antique-engines.com> >>I don't see how the engine load and the drip rate are connected, if the piston is wet with oil that is as good as it's going to get, anymore will just run off.<< And I disagree with your disagreement - :-) You may be right for the high end, but for the lower end, you can get by with less, so why not do so? The oil will last longer, there will be less mess, and less dirt and grit can stick to it. Adjust the drip rate up for more load - where you don't have to adjust it down for less load but you can. So, yes, if you have the oil drip throttled back to use less at lower RPM and load, you need to give it more at higher load. Plus more load on the engine means more loading on the piston pin, piston, and rings, probably running hotter, etc. - would you want to give it as much oil at idle and low load as you would at higher speed and load? I would not, so I'd change the drip rate accordingly - personally...... Bill > I wonder if the high drip rate is a hope that the engine will always get > what it needs and maybe inspire the owner to use oil generously. Too > much > oil won't hurt anything, the worst thing would be a messy engine. A > drawback is that this high drip rate would empty the oiler pretty quick. > I > disagree with George and his comment that the high drip rate is > appropriate > if the engine is working hard. I don't see how the engine load and the > drip > rate are connected, if the piston is wet with oil that is as good as it's > going to get, anymore will just run off. > > I was intrigued by the method of cleaning the rings and grooves by boiling > them in lye. Anybody try this or know more about it? > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 8:23 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Sattley manual > > > Dunno Luke? As a lubricant kero is actually pretty decent. Much better > than gasoline. In fact I lube my EK and PR mags with kero instead of > oil. Keeps them working in cold weather. > Take my 6 HP Herc (kero) sawrig for example. Per Sattley's instructions > I should be dripping 30 drips per minute when working it. I'd never get > any wood sawed for all the time I'd be spending filling the #4 oiler! > Curt > > Luke Tonneberger wrote: > >> Curt, >> >> Could the higher drip rate have anything to do with burning kerosene >> for the fuel? >> >> Luke Tonneberger >> Rockford, Michigan >> USA >> ============================= >> >>> From: Curt >>> >>> Jeff, >>> I thought your eBay comment was excellent! >>> Reading the manual I was surprised at the factory recommendation of 5 >>> drop of cylinder oil per minute per HP. That's WAY more than I tend >>> to run on my engines and the pistons stay whetted with oil. I always >>> figured if there was excess oil running into the crank sump then >>> there was plenty of cylinder oil. I set mine on a few drops per >>> minute regardless of HP. Maybe I'm not oiling enough. >>> How about the rest of you, what kind of oil rates do you use? What do >>> you use as a guide to say you're oiling enough? >>> Curt Holland >>> Gastonia, NC >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dcox at triad.rr.com Wed Jun 15 14:00:42 2005 From: dcox at triad.rr.com (Dallas Cox) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:00:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual References: Message-ID: <003a01c571ed$4b555ac0$6501a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Curt, the higher drip rate is for the engine at peak work RPM and under load. The old boys did not run them like we do. Adjust your drip as needed. Dallas > Could the higher drip rate have anything to do with burning kerosene for > the fuel? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA What do you >>use as a guide to say you're oiling enough? >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Jun 15 14:38:32 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:38:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual Message-ID: Jim, I wasn't saying that a high drip rate was needed as suggested by the Sattley manual. What I was saying is that the majority of our engines are being run at a low speed and with no load on the engine. For example maybe your engine is running 100rpm and only fires every 15 revolutions. In a case like that it is only firing about a half dozen times a minute. It doesn't take a lot of oil drips per minute to keep the piston lubricated. If you take your show engine and speed it up to 300rpm, the piston is traveling 3 times the distance per minute than it was at the low show speed. Consequently, the piston is now only getting one third the amount of oil it was previously. Lets say, you've got your engine now running at 300rpm with no load. It is still missing a few cycles assuming it is a hit&miss engine. So what happens when you put a load on it? It has to fire more often to maintain the speed. In fact if really working it is firing every time and not coasting at all. Wouldn't you think there is a difference in the cylinder oil film if the engine is firing rather than coasting? When the manufacture made the engine and sold it, it was expected to be run at rated speed and working. So doesn't it make sense for a manufacturer to suggest a higher drip rate than what we're used to using? George . > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Jim and Diane > I wonder if the high drip rate is a hope that the engine will > always get > what it needs and maybe inspire the owner to use oil > generously. Too much > oil won't hurt anything, the worst thing would be a messy > engine. A drawback is that this high drip rate would empty > the oiler pretty quick. I disagree with George and his > comment that the high drip rate is appropriate if the engine > is working hard. I don't see how the engine load and the > drip rate are connected, if the piston is wet with oil that > is as good as it's going to get, anymore will just run off. > > Jim From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jun 15 16:00:49 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:00:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Set-up In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050615074210.02240f40@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050615074210.02240f40@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050615184457.02236e80@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, The SEL Coolspring set up is complete. We are in the second row (as usual) at the far end near the trees. Jake had some DEMOCRAT help him set up the row number markings--thus the first row is not marked(i.e. has no number on it) and the second row is marked "Row 1" Therefore we are in the second row (the one that is marked "Row 1") at the far end near the trees. Dave PS, Arnie and I should arrive at Coolspring about 9:00 am tomorrow. At 07:42 AM 6/15/2005, you wrote: >Hi All, > Tomorrow morning at about 9:00 I'll pull out for Coolspring in > order to set up the SEL area for the show. By noon our area should be > roped off and have SEL signs hung on the ropes. We will be in the 2nd row > (to the right) all the way down by the trees. I'll put a SEL sign at the > head of the 2nd row with an arrow pointing to the right. Jake Faith will > know where we are if you have trouble finding us (HELL, Jake will know > where we are even if you don't have trouble finding us!) However, you may > have to ask for Dave Rotigel, since the entire show is for Stationary > Engines! See those of you who are lucky enough to attend the show this weekend! > Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jun 15 16:19:22 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:19:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050615191802.0d1b6c98@mail.alltel.net> >If you take your show engine and speed it up to 300rpm, the piston is >traveling 3 times the distance per minute than it was at the low show >speed. Consequently, the piston is now only getting one third the >amount of oil it was previously. >George Hi George, Think a bit about your above statement. Dave From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Jun 15 16:21:51 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:21:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] magneto's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42B0B80F.1050104@earthlink.net> David, This link has some good information. http://www.old-engine.com/maglma.htm I have another, but it is not working now. Might be gone. Jeff Allen David Nicolson wrote: > Is there a web site specializing magneto's, as in the different > company's that made them and aslo the different models each company > produced including low tension and generators ie wizards Dave > > _________________________________________________________________ > REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings > http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From todengine at zoominternet.net Wed Jun 15 16:42:12 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:42:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Set-up References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050615074210.02240f40@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000e01c57203$da795420$a65bef18@pengy> Dave, My wife and I will be there Friday morning around 9 am or so. I'll be bringing a few of the castings that I've been making as well as pics and info. on the Tod Engine Project. Can't wait to see everyone again! Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 7:42 AM Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Set-up > Hi All, > Tomorrow morning at about 9:00 I'll pull out for Coolspring in order to > set up the SEL area for the show. By noon our area should be roped off and > have SEL signs hung on the ropes. We will be in the 2nd row (to the right) > all the way down by the trees. I'll put a SEL sign at the head of the 2nd > row with an arrow pointing to the right. Jake Faith will know where we are > if you have trouble finding us (HELL, Jake will know where we are even if > you don't have trouble finding us!) However, you may have to ask for Dave > Rotigel, since the entire show is for Stationary Engines! See those of you > who are lucky enough to attend the show this weekend! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jbcast at charter.net Wed Jun 15 17:06:21 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:06:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual Message-ID: <44038i$12qtp4p@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> > > I was intrigued by the method of cleaning the rings and grooves by boiling > them in lye. Anybody try this or know more about it? > > Jim > Caustic was popular for hot tank vatting in engine shops. Aluminum parts and disposal problems have changed that. A head dipped in the tank usually washed clean of carbon. The drip rate on a loaded engine would have to be increased to compensate for the blow by drying the piston. J.B. Castagnos From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Jun 15 17:37:36 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:37:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42B0C9D0.2020609@earthlink.net> Hi Luke, Great looking engine. I've been on that part of your site before and took another visit tonight. Great story on how you got the engine and built a trailer for it. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/sattley9/sattley.html I've been trying to buy some manuals on e-bay lately to put online. Most go way to high, but now and then I find a bargain. I am curious about the color of your engine. Is it original or was it repainted? This is the second red Sattley I've seen. The other was a five horse. My catalog says the Kero engines were brown and the hit and miss black. That was the 1918 catalog. Always curious about original colors and variations between years. > Thanks for putting them online. My pleasure. :-) Jeff Allen Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > I have a 9hp throttle governed Sattley: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/kzoo02/kzoo02-21.jpg > > I breezed through the pages but haven't read them yet. I will when I > get a chance. Thanks for putting them online. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ================ > >> From: Jeff Allen >> >> Hi all, >> >> Just got this online. Instruction manual for Sattley Kero engine. >> Don't know if there are any out there, but the manual is now online. >> >> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/Sattley/KeroBook/Intro.html >> >> Jeff Allen > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From wmrohrer at myactv.net Wed Jun 15 17:46:14 2005 From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:46:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Set-up In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050615184457.02236e80@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200506160044.j5G0iGas000828@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I will be coming up on Saturday for the day. I hope to meet some of you folks. Mike Rohrer Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, Maryland USA Collector of Antique Farm Literature Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 7:01 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolspring Set-up Hi All, The SEL Coolspring set up is complete. We are in the second row (as usual) at the far end near the trees. Jake had some DEMOCRAT help him set up the row number markings--thus the first row is not marked(i.e. has no number on it) and the second row is marked "Row 1" Therefore we are in the second row (the one that is marked "Row 1") at the far end near the trees. Dave PS, Arnie and I should arrive at Coolspring about 9:00 am tomorrow. At 07:42 AM 6/15/2005, you wrote: >Hi All, > Tomorrow morning at about 9:00 I'll pull out for Coolspring in > order to set up the SEL area for the show. By noon our area should be > roped off and have SEL signs hung on the ropes. We will be in the 2nd row > (to the right) all the way down by the trees. I'll put a SEL sign at the > head of the 2nd row with an arrow pointing to the right. Jake Faith will > know where we are if you have trouble finding us (HELL, Jake will know > where we are even if you don't have trouble finding us!) However, you may > have to ask for Dave Rotigel, since the entire show is for Stationary > Engines! See those of you who are lucky enough to attend the show this weekend! > Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Jun 15 17:57:15 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:57:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual In-Reply-To: <44038i$12qtp4p@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <44038i$12qtp4p@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <26ed4e9ac024335e65f0c36bffd6ca37@chartertn.net> > The drip rate on a loaded engine would have to be increased to > compensate for the blow by drying the piston. Increased thermal evaporation of oil, too. Piston ring land and skirt temperatures in a loaded engine can easily get up into the range where oil is "smoking," and much of the cylinder wall that the rings travel over is directly exposed to the hot combustion gas for a good part of the power stroke. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jun 15 18:09:23 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:09:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual/Now PURE BS! In-Reply-To: <26ed4e9ac024335e65f0c36bffd6ca37@chartertn.net> References: <44038i$12qtp4p@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> <26ed4e9ac024335e65f0c36bffd6ca37@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050615210701.0d1a1038@mail.alltel.net> At 08:57 PM 6/15/2005, you wrote: >>The drip rate on a loaded engine would have to be increased to compensate >>for the blow by drying the piston. >Increased thermal evaporation of oil, too. Piston ring land and skirt >temperatures in a loaded engine can easily get up into the range where oil >is "smoking," and much of the cylinder wall that the rings travel over is >directly exposed to the hot combustion gas for a good part of the power stroke. >John Culp GREAT point John! I'm sure the builders of our old engines took that into account when determining how many drips per minute were necessary. Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Jun 15 19:03:41 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:03:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally In-Reply-To: <200506151740.j5FHeEm4090303@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200506160203.j5G23jug020813@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > That's Patrick. It's cool. > > Rob THANKS Patrick. Bad case of mumbly fingers today. Rob From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Jun 15 22:08:03 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:08:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual/Now PURE BS! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050615210701.0d1a1038@mail.alltel.net> References: <44038i$12qtp4p@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> <26ed4e9ac024335e65f0c36bffd6ca37@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050615210701.0d1a1038@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <42B10933.2030001@earthlink.net> Hi Dave, I continue to put the Hiscox engine book online. I do a quick read on all the pages I scan. The builders of our old engines took all they knew at the time and I do believe they took into account the drips per minute for a fully loaded engine. Perhaps one of us can come up with a wise old sage that actually used one of these engines and knows the drip rate for an engine used as it was intended to be used. Did they need to be watched and maintained all day or once a day? How often did the oiler need to be filled? Did the farmer running a pump have to check his engine once a day or often throughout the day? How about the oil field engines that ran 24/7? Lots of questions here and maybe we can get some answers. Our toys are show and tell and I doubt any are run under the conditions they where designed for. We play with them and the original owners used them for real . Big difference there. Didn't plan on starting a great thread, but keep it going folks. PURE BS? I think not Dave except for your comments. Jeff Allen Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 08:57 PM 6/15/2005, you wrote: > >>> The drip rate on a loaded engine would have to be increased to >>> compensate for the blow by drying the piston. >> >> Increased thermal evaporation of oil, too. Piston ring land and skirt >> temperatures in a loaded engine can easily get up into the range >> where oil is "smoking," and much of the cylinder wall that the rings >> travel over is directly exposed to the hot combustion gas for a good >> part of the power stroke. >> John Culp > > > GREAT point John! I'm sure the builders of our old engines took that > into account when determining how many drips per minute were necessary. > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Wed Jun 15 22:49:19 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:49:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] magneto's In-Reply-To: <42B0B80F.1050104@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thanks Jeff, very imformative site now all i need to do is find some imfo on the different types of Bosch mags and some of the more obscure makes. some american but mostly european. >From: Jeff Allen >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] magneto's >Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:21:51 -0600 > >David, > >This link has some good information. http://www.old-engine.com/maglma.htm > >I have another, but it is not working now. Might be gone. > >Jeff Allen > >David Nicolson wrote: > >>Is there a web site specializing magneto's, as in the different company's >>that made them and aslo the different models each company produced >>including low tension and generators ie wizards Dave >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings >>http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Sell your car for $9 on carpoint.com.au http://www.carpoint.com.au/sellyourcar From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 23:24:48 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 07:24:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] magneto's In-Reply-To: References: <42B0B80F.1050104@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605061523243a6c285@mail.gmail.com> On 6/16/05, David Nicolson wrote: > Thanks Jeff, very imformative site now all i need to do is find some imfo on > the different types of Bosch mags and some of the more obscure makes. some > american but mostly european. We have service manual sets for Fairbanks-Morse, Wico, Wipac (UK), Eisemann, Bendix and Slick (Aero) if you need specific data for a particular magneto. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Jun 16 04:29:34 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:29:34 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual In-Reply-To: <42B0C9D0.2020609@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Jeff, That is not the original paint. Not sure what color it was originally either. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================= >From: Jeff Allen > >Hi Luke, > > >I am curious about the color of your engine. Is it original or was it >repainted? This is the second red Sattley I've seen. The other was a five >horse. My catalog says the Kero engines were brown and the hit and miss >black. That was the 1918 catalog. Always curious about original colors and >variations between years. > > > >Jeff Allen From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jun 16 04:33:24 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 04:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual/Now PURE BS! In-Reply-To: <42B10933.2030001@earthlink.net> References: <44038i$12qtp4p@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> <26ed4e9ac024335e65f0c36bffd6ca37@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050615210701.0d1a1038@mail.alltel.net> <42B10933.2030001@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4636.165.206.180.144.1118921604.squirrel@antique-engines.com> How many drips are required to keep this thread going! Just kidding guys! It DOES remind me of a "thread" on a forum about engine cooling. Some are trying to bring renolds number and other factors into it, claiming too fast coolant flow leads to overheating, others say no it simply goes back in to cool again so is twice as effective, etc. WOW, talk about armchair engineers and shadetree designers. One turned into like 7 threads and got hotter than any engine. Bill > Hi Dave, > > I continue to put the Hiscox engine book online. I do a quick read on > all the pages I scan. The builders of our old engines took all they knew > at the time and I do believe they took into account the drips per minute > for a fully loaded engine. Perhaps one of us can come up with a wise old > sage that actually used one of these engines and knows the drip rate for > an engine used as it was intended to be used. > > Did they need to be watched and maintained all day or once a day? How > often did the oiler need to be filled? Did the farmer running a pump > have to check his engine once a day or often throughout the day? How > about the oil field engines that ran 24/7? Lots of questions here and > maybe we can get some answers. > > Our toys are show and tell and I doubt any are run under the conditions > they where designed for. We play with them and the original owners used > them for real . Big difference there. > > Didn't plan on starting a great thread, but keep it going folks. > > PURE BS? I think not Dave except for your comments. > > Jeff Allen > > > Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> At 08:57 PM 6/15/2005, you wrote: >> >>>> The drip rate on a loaded engine would have to be increased to >>>> compensate for the blow by drying the piston. >>> >>> Increased thermal evaporation of oil, too. Piston ring land and skirt >>> temperatures in a loaded engine can easily get up into the range >>> where oil is "smoking," and much of the cylinder wall that the rings >>> travel over is directly exposed to the hot combustion gas for a good >>> part of the power stroke. >>> John Culp >> >> >> GREAT point John! I'm sure the builders of our old engines took that >> into account when determining how many drips per minute were necessary. >> Dave >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 16 04:50:23 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 21:50:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] magneto's In-Reply-To: <6f60251605061523243a6c285@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Peter, the types of magneto's/generators i am mainly interested in are the low tension versions.Are any of your manuals relating to these mags. Dave >From: Listerdiesel >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] magneto's >Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 07:24:48 +0100 > >On 6/16/05, David Nicolson wrote: > > Thanks Jeff, very imformative site now all i need to do is find some >imfo on > > the different types of Bosch mags and some of the more obscure makes. >some > > american but mostly european. > >We have service manual sets for Fairbanks-Morse, Wico, Wipac (UK), >Eisemann, Bendix and Slick (Aero) if you need specific data for a >particular magneto. > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jun 16 05:37:36 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:37:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] magneto's In-Reply-To: References: <6f60251605061523243a6c285@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605061605375af328c8@mail.gmail.com> On 6/16/05, David Nicolson wrote: > Thanks Peter, the types of magneto's/generators i am mainly interested in > are the low tension versions.Are any of your manuals relating to these mags. > Dave They are mainly HT, but the Eisemann may have a couple of old ones in there, I have also got some Dixie stuff somewhere... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Thu Jun 16 06:53:17 2005 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:53:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lathrop, MO Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A704B7B9D9@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Just a reminder that the show at Lathrop, MO, for anyone within range is today, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday at Lathrop, MO, just north of KC. Admission is five bucks for the four days. Skinny (and pix) here: http://www.lathropantique.com/ Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Jun 16 07:43:30 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 07:43:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual/Now PURE BS! In-Reply-To: <42B10933.2030001@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200506161443.j5GEhaQ0016596@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Perhaps one of us can come up with a wise old > sage that actually used one of these engines and knows the > drip rate for an engine used as it was intended to be used. There is only ONE way to conclusively determine the most economical drip rate at which you can run your engine. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, because they're wrong. Luckily, it's easy to determine the drip rate that will save you the most money on oil consumption. Run the engine at full load. Start at three drops per horsepower per minute. After one hour, decrease the drip rate by one drop per minute. After another hour, decrease the drip rate again. Continue with this system until black metal filings start coming out of the back of the cylinder or sparks start coming out the exhaust, then adjust the oiler to the previous hour's drip rate. From George_Best at adp.com Thu Jun 16 07:48:22 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:48:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oil drips Message-ID: Dave, You're right, that the piston is getting the same amount of oil. However, the piston is traveling 3 times the distance in that same period which means it is getting one third the amount of oil for the distance traveled. Some people get so picky over what you say rather than what you meant ;-) George Ps... Changed the subject since we're not talking about the Sattley manual anymore. Of course this thread has about run its course, so the change probably isn't needed. > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Dave Rotigel > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 4:19 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: RE: [SEL] Sattley manual > > > >If you take your show engine and speed it up to 300rpm, the > piston is > >traveling 3 times the distance per minute than it was at the > low show > >speed. Consequently, the piston is now only getting one third the > >amount of oil it was previously. > >George > > Hi George, > Think a bit about your above statement. > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Jun 16 08:36:17 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:36:17 EDT Subject: [SEL] Dallas Message-ID: <1f2.be285f1.2fe2f671@aol.com> Dallas Cox???? Seems like I have heard that name some where before!!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jbcast at charter.net Thu Jun 16 09:47:42 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:47:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual/Now PURE BS! Message-ID: <4404j6$10vl1bs@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> > There is only ONE way to conclusively determine the most economical drip rate at > which you can run your engine. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, because > they're wrong. Luckily, it's easy to determine the drip rate that will save you > the most money on oil consumption. > > Run the engine at full load. Start at three drops per horsepower per minute. > After one hour, decrease the drip rate by one drop per minute. After another > hour, decrease the drip rate again. Continue with this system until black metal > filings start coming out of the back of the cylinder or sparks start coming out > the exhaust, then adjust the oiler to the previous hour's drip rate. > > Rob, a friend said his father was teaching his mule not to eat, almost had him trained and he died. J.B. Castagnos From sixmjohn at quicknet.nl Thu Jun 16 15:03:10 2005 From: sixmjohn at quicknet.nl (John H.) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 00:03:10 +0200 Subject: [SEL] testing new account. Message-ID: <001201c572bf$32e29fc0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Just like that. JH. From cuz904_99 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 16 18:37:01 2005 From: cuz904_99 at yahoo.com (John E. Hart) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytag Thanks Message-ID: <20050617013702.50649.qmail@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> All: thanks for everyone that responded to my problem on my Maytag engine. Now, I just need to find the time to take off my carburetor and clean the check valve. Hope this makes once again a happy running engine. Keep up the great work, John ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Jun 15 08:01:25 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:01:25 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual References: Message-ID: <000701c571bb$1d4b14d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Seems to me way to much, 5 drops a minute is more than enough for an engine. Do you know how much oil that is for a 6 hp engine 5x6=30 drips a minute, I think the engine will sail away :o) John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Curt, > > Could the higher drip rate have anything to do with burning kerosene for the > fuel? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ============================= > > >From: Curt > > > >Jeff, > >I thought your eBay comment was excellent! > >Reading the manual I was surprised at the factory recommendation of 5 drop > >of cylinder oil per minute per HP. That's WAY more than I tend to run on my > >engines and the pistons stay whetted with oil. I always figured if there > >was excess oil running into the crank sump then there was plenty of > >cylinder oil. I set mine on a few drops per minute regardless of HP. Maybe > >I'm not oiling enough. > >How about the rest of you, what kind of oil rates do you use? What do you > >use as a guide to say you're oiling enough? > >Curt Holland > >Gastonia, NC > > From nick at holden1.net Thu Jun 16 21:41:37 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 05:41:37 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] testing new account. References: <001201c572bf$32e29fc0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <42B25481.000001.01820@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Just like that Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: John H. Date: 06/17/05 03:02:01 To: SEL Subject: [SEL] testing new account. Just like that. JH. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Jun 17 01:56:42 2005 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:26:42 +0930 Subject: [SEL] another Kiwi engine. Message-ID: <000501c5731a$7bfc3f80$adcb8890@chaos> http://www.trademe.co.nz/Antiques-collectables/Automotive-transport/Other/auction-29390624.htm From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Jun 17 02:02:45 2005 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:32:45 +0930 Subject: [SEL] another Kiwi engine. References: <000501c5731a$7bfc3f80$adcb8890@chaos> Message-ID: <000a01c5731b$5408a0d0$adcb8890@chaos> missed the FM http://www.trademe.co.nz/Antiques-collectables/Other/auction-29227261.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "derek" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 6:26 PM Subject: [SEL] another Kiwi engine. > http://www.trademe.co.nz/Antiques-collectables/Automotive-transport/Other/auction-29390624.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Fri Jun 17 05:06:24 2005 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:06:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fowler tractor Message-ID: <000701c57334$fc90aa40$01baa4cb@fred> Am trying to find information on loading starting cartridges for our fowler tractor, can anyone help? Brian in Melbourne From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri Jun 17 06:41:38 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 09:41:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tractor Message-ID: A coworker is reading a book about the history of Evansville, IN. The book states that the Hercules company was involved in building farm tractors. Did Hercules build tractors? From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Jun 17 08:22:51 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 11:22:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06 PDT) - economy gas en Message-ID: <88.28edc560.2fe444cb@aol.com> Hi List, This is an interesting item that is being listed on eBay. It is plans to build a "sparkler" to replace a magneto on an engine. I wonder if these plans similar to the ones that was that were listed on SEL several months ago using a barbeque ignition device? _Click here: eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06 PDT) - economy gas engine sparker box !!!! also_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3856305610) <_http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d ll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3856305610_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3856305610) > Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jun 17 10:07:34 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:07:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06 PDT) - economy gas en In-Reply-To: <88.28edc560.2fe444cb@aol.com> References: <88.28edc560.2fe444cb@aol.com> Message-ID: <42B30356.9050809@imc-group.com> Francis, Last weekend I replaced my 20 year old BBQ grill with a new one. It has the self start sparker but this one is a little different. You unscrew the push knob and put a AA battery inside and screw the knob back together. You hold the button in and get spark-spark-spark. About 2 or 3 sparks per second as long as you hold the button in. Have no idea how long the battery will last but I was thinking this would make a heck of a high tension devise to put in a empty EK or PR Wico case. Or perhaps even a starting device. Pull the flywheels up against compression as far as you can and hit the sparker. Bang she's off and running. Might be a useful starting tool for really big engines or for guys that no longer have the strength to pull one thru. Maybe these have been around, but the only ones I was familiar with were the one spark per push/click type without the battery. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: >Hi List, >This is an interesting item that is being listed on eBay. It is plans to >build a "sparkler" to replace a magneto on an engine. I wonder if these plans >similar to the ones that was that were listed on SEL several months ago using >a barbeque ignition device? > >_Click here: eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06 PDT) - economy >gas engine sparker box !!!! also_ >(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3856305610) <_http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d >ll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3856305610_ >(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3856305610) > > >Francis Maciel >Santa Maria, CA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Jun 17 11:41:30 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:41:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC logo pattern Message-ID: G'day all; Will be sending some muffler castings to Rick soon. The small IHC logo is all but gone. Does anyone have a source for these small logo's used in the casting process or have any ideas? My only thot is a CNC machine. later, RickinMt. From wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com Fri Jun 17 13:01:23 2005 From: wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com (Bill Calvert) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:01:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC logo pattern Message-ID: Richard If any one has an item that has a clean logo on it, a clay dam could be put around the logo and rubber casting compound poured into the area. Then wax patterns could be made and attached to almost anything. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Richard Strobel [mailto:Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com] Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 12:42 PM To: sel Subject: [SEL] IHC logo pattern G'day all; Will be sending some muffler castings to Rick soon. The small IHC logo is all but gone. Does anyone have a source for these small logo's used in the casting process or have any ideas? My only thot is a CNC machine. later, RickinMt. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Jun 17 16:03:14 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 09:03:14 +1000 Subject: Message with possible fraud attempt: [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06 PDT) - economy gas en References: <88.28edc560.2fe444cb@aol.com> Message-ID: <018d01c57390$c3599500$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> He is using the Piezo out of a cigarette lighter. I tried them years back but they die rather fast. I gave up on them after using about ten. They always stuffed up at a show. My battery setup in the base is easiest and I have good, robust, electrics. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 1:22 AM Subject: Message with possible fraud attempt: [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06 PDT) - economy gas en > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Panda Platinum 2005 Internet Security has detected that this email could > be spoofed > > Take maximum precautions, as spoofed emails could be the sign of a fraud > attempt. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi List, > This is an interesting item that is being listed on eBay. It is plans to > build a "sparkler" to replace a magneto on an engine. I wonder if these > plans > similar to the ones that was that were listed on SEL several months ago > using > a barbeque ignition device? > > _Click here: eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06 PDT) - economy > gas engine sparker box !!!! also_ > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3856305610) > <_http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d > ll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3856305610_ > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3856305610) > > > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Panda Platinum 2005 Internet Security has detected that this email could > be spoofed > > Take maximum precautions, as spoofed emails could be the sign of a fraud > attempt. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Jun 17 16:06:55 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 09:06:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06PDT) - economy gas en References: <88.28edc560.2fe444cb@aol.com> <42B30356.9050809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <019e01c57391$439ef430$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> How the hell would you time it? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 3:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06PDT) - economy gas en > Francis, > Last weekend I replaced my 20 year old BBQ grill with a new one. It has > the self start sparker but this one is a little different. You unscrew the > push knob and put a AA battery inside and screw the knob back together. > You hold the button in and get spark-spark-spark. About 2 or 3 sparks per > second as long as you hold the button in. Have no idea how long the > battery will last but I was thinking this would make a heck of a high > tension devise to put in a empty EK or PR Wico case. Or perhaps even a > starting device. Pull the flywheels up against compression as far as you > can and hit the sparker. Bang she's off and running. Might be a useful > starting tool for really big engines or for guys that no longer have the > strength to pull one thru. > Maybe these have been around, but the only ones I was familiar with were > the one spark per push/click type without the battery. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Jun 17 16:11:35 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:11:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sattley help Message-ID: <42B358A7.8030508@earthlink.net> Hi all, If any of you have a Sattley with the speed change control on the end of the crank, please contact me off list. I have a few questions I need answered. Thanks, Jeff Allen transteck at earthlink.net From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Jun 17 16:14:08 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 00:14:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06PDT) - economy gas en References: <88.28edc560.2fe444cb@aol.com> <42B30356.9050809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001901c57392$44c72b10$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06PDT) - economy gas en > Francis, > Last weekend I replaced my 20 year old BBQ grill with a new one. It has > the self start sparker but this one is a little different. You unscrew > the push knob and put a AA battery inside and screw the knob back > together. You hold the button in and get spark-spark-spark. About 2 or 3 > sparks per second as long as you hold the button in. Have no idea how > long the battery will last but I was thinking this would make a heck of > a high tension devise to put in a empty EK or PR Wico case. Or perhaps > even a starting device. Pull the flywheels up against compression as far > as you can and hit the sparker. Bang she's off and running. Might be a > useful starting tool for really big engines or for guys that no longer > have the strength to pull one thru. > Maybe these have been around, but the only ones I was familiar with were > the one spark per push/click type without the battery. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC Hi Curt,have you checked Chuck Balyeat's method at http://www.angelfire.com/tx/hotube/images/wicoEKconversion.jpg While on the subject I cannot recollect seeing Chuck post for a while. Is he still active? Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From plb at iinet.net.au Fri Jun 17 16:24:34 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 07:24:34 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Fowler tractor In-Reply-To: <000701c57334$fc90aa40$01baa4cb@fred> Message-ID: <200506172325.j5HNP0f8034628@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Brian,there is a bloke advertising in TOMMS that does them. I will get back to you later in the day with the details. Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts Sent: Friday, 17 June 2005 8:06 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Fowler tractor Am trying to find information on loading starting cartridges for our fowler tractor, can anyone help? Brian in Melbourne _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Jun 17 17:20:01 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:20:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06 PDT) In-Reply-To: <018d01c57390$c3599500$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <200506180020.j5I0K5qD048869@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > He is using the Piezo out of a cigarette lighter. > I tried them years back but they die rather fast. > I gave up on them after using about ten. They always stuffed > up at a show. > My battery setup in the base is easiest and I have good, > robust, electrics. Hi Reg, I thought you were a big proponent of bbq ignitors on models. Did my brain cells short circuit, or have you modified your opinion? Rob From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Jun 17 17:29:57 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:29:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06PDT) - economy gas en In-Reply-To: <001901c57392$44c72b10$fa4c1152@no1> References: <88.28edc560.2fe444cb@aol.com> <42B30356.9050809@imc-group.com> <001901c57392$44c72b10$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <2785ff53f934a1cf26b67771f38a6d1b@chartertn.net> > Hi Curt,have you checked Chuck Balyeat's method at > http://www.angelfire.com/tx/hotube/images/wicoEKconversion.jpg > While on the subject I cannot recollect seeing Chuck post for a while. > Is he still active? Yeah, he replies off list pretty often to stuff I've posted. Chuck's got some good stuff on his site! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From klbandy at dtccom.net Fri Jun 17 20:43:42 2005 From: klbandy at dtccom.net (Kevin L. Bandy) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:43:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Alexandria TN Show reminder Message-ID: <42B3986E.6060204@dtccom.net> Just wanted to remind everyone about the 1st Annual Tractor & Engine Show here in Alexandria, TN on Saturday, June 25th. Everyone invited. Our bank will be serving free hot dogs and such. There will be a jumping castle and mechanical horses to ride for the kids and free cotton candy. An Antique Quilt Show inside the bank for the ladies. If anyone has an Antique Quilt to enter, bring it. Hope to see you here. If you plan to come, drop me a line. Look forward to having you. Kevin Bandy From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Jun 17 19:06:11 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 12:06:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06 PDT) References: <200506180020.j5I0K5qD048869@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <01f101c573aa$52863990$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> No, the BBQ ones are really good. Its the tiny ones in the cig lighters thay are a waste of time. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 10:20 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Check out eBay item3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06 PDT) >> He is using the Piezo out of a cigarette lighter. >> I tried them years back but they die rather fast. >> I gave up on them after using about ten. They always stuffed >> up at a show. >> My battery setup in the base is easiest and I have good, >> robust, electrics. > > Hi Reg, > I thought you were a big proponent of bbq ignitors on models. Did my > brain > cells short circuit, or have you modified your opinion? > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Jun 17 20:08:26 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 23:08:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Set-up In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050615184457.02236e80@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050615074210.02240f40@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050615184457.02236e80@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <42B3902A.1020200@scrtc.com> Dave, Good job again that you and Arnie have done to set up the SEL area. I enjoyed seeing some of the SEL folks but didn't get to see all due to the limited amount of time I had to spend at Coolspring. Even though it rained (off and on a lot!), Coolspring is always enjoyable. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Hi All, > The SEL Coolspring set up is complete. We are in the second > row (as usual) at the far end near the trees. Jake had some DEMOCRAT > help him set up the row number markings--thus the first row is not > marked(i.e. has no number on it) and the second row is marked "Row 1" > Therefore we are in the second row (the one that is marked "Row 1") at > the far end near the trees. > Dave > PS, Arnie and I should arrive at Coolspring about 9:00 am tomorrow. > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Fri Jun 17 21:31:59 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:31:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] One for the English Message-ID: Hi All, just trying to locate a head for a good friend who doesn't have a computer. He is Robin Knight and he is looking for a head for a Gardener 4VT 2 stroke vertical. If any one knows where one is they can contact me of list and i will pass on the details to Robin.He is willing to purchase from any where in the world. Dave in oz _________________________________________________________________ REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au From alanwh at iinet.net.au Fri Jun 17 22:03:56 2005 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 15:03:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fowler tractor In-Reply-To: <000701c57334$fc90aa40$01baa4cb@fred> Message-ID: <200506180504.j5I5455F019448@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> The fowler starting cartridge recipe is as follows: 22 grains of fff black powder , cover with thick PAPER wad then 160 grains of AR2209 rifle propellant. Do not compress. Hand close, add a drop of super glue to keep shell closed. Never had a problem with this recipe. No responsibility taken though. Regards Barry M. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 10:06 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Fowler tractor Am trying to find information on loading starting cartridges for our fowler tractor, can anyone help? Brian in Melbourne _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jun 18 07:02:28 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 08:02:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC logo pattern References: Message-ID: 'preciate it Bill. I'll look and see if I have any good logo's later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Calvert" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 2:01 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] IHC logo pattern > Richard > > If any one has an item that has a clean logo on it, a clay dam could be > put around the logo and rubber casting compound poured into the area. > Then wax patterns could be made and attached to almost anything. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Strobel [mailto:Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com] > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 12:42 PM > To: sel > Subject: [SEL] IHC logo pattern > > G'day all; > > Will be sending some muffler castings to Rick soon. The small IHC > logo is all but gone. Does anyone have a source for these small logo's > used in the casting process or have any ideas? My only thot is a CNC > machine. > > later, > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Jun 18 07:23:52 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:23:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolsprings Trip Report Message-ID: <003a01c57411$5a0dff60$a65bef18@pengy> My wife Zara and I arrived at Coolsprings around 9 am and set up a makeshift Tod Engine display in the SEL area under Glenn Karch's canopy. Its a good thing as it rained off and on most of the day. I renewed a few old aquaintances and met several SEL members for the first time. I think the highlight for the show for me was the 300 hp Miller engine in operation. Of couse any large engine is going to strike my fancy! >From what I heard the 600 hp Snow is to be reassembled over the next year or two, definately something worthy of seeing in operation. I put all my Coolsprings pics online at: http://community.webshots.com/album/372023284CntEmb Enjoy! Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine Tod Engine Open House Sept. 17 and 18, 2005 From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Jun 18 12:28:33 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 13:28:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Coolsprings Trip Report In-Reply-To: <003a01c57411$5a0dff60$a65bef18@pengy> References: <003a01c57411$5a0dff60$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <42B475E1.4020509@earthlink.net> Great pictures Rick. Thanks for the tour of the museum. They have quite a collection there. I can't believe the size of some of them. Jeff Allen Tod Engine wrote: >My wife Zara and I arrived at Coolsprings around 9 am and set up a makeshift Tod Engine display in the SEL area under Glenn Karch's canopy. Its a good thing as it rained off and on most of the day. I renewed a few old aquaintances and met several SEL members for the first time. > >I think the highlight for the show for me was the 300 hp Miller engine in operation. Of couse any large engine is going to strike my fancy! >From what I heard the 600 hp Snow is to be reassembled over the next year or two, definately something worthy of seeing in operation. > >I put all my Coolsprings pics online at: >http://community.webshots.com/album/372023284CntEmb > >Enjoy! > >Rick Rowlands >Executive Director >Tod Engine Heritage Park >William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine >Youngstown, OH >http://www.todengine.org/ >Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine >Tod Engine Open House Sept. 17 and 18, 2005 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From glenn.karch at gte.net Sat Jun 18 20:40:41 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:40:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tractor References: Message-ID: <007f01c57480$aca29820$8dad123f@oemcomputer> Andy, Hercules did form a tractor compay. They made a couple of prototypes. There were two wheels in front and one rear drive wheel. I think the Graham Bros were also involed. It was demonstrated at some state fairs and orders were taken, but it was never produced. It is said that it was demonstrated in a field at Old Green River Road and Weinbach Ave. I have never seen a good picture of it. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Glines" To: Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 8:41 AM Subject: [SEL] Hercules tractor > A coworker is reading a book about the history of Evansville, IN. The book > states that the Hercules company was involved in building farm tractors. > Did Hercules build tractors? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From segray at mlode.com Sat Jun 18 21:16:07 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:16:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: 1911 Foos engine] Message-ID: <42B4F187.1080900@mlode.com> Hi All - Can anybody help Ken here? Please reply to him directly, he's not on the list. Thanks -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: 1911 Foos engine Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:09:19 -0400 From: kenneth adams To: I need your help. I am looking at a 1911 Foos with an older restoration and cart.I am trying to figure if his asking price is fair at $2,500. Thanks for any you could give me. Ken Adams From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Jun 18 21:31:55 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:31:55 +1000 Subject: [SPAM 0.7 (/)] [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06 PDT) - economy gas en In-Reply-To: <88.28edc560.2fe444cb@aol.com> References: <88.28edc560.2fe444cb@aol.com> Message-ID: <42B4F53B.2060606@steamengine.com.au> Looks like it. If no-one patented the idea then jokers like this are free to sell it if they can. Paul FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > Hi List, > This is an interesting item that is being listed on eBay. It is plans to > build a "sparkler" to replace a magneto on an engine. I wonder if these plans > similar to the ones that was that were listed on SEL several months ago using > a barbeque ignition device? > > _Click here: eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06 PDT) - economy > gas engine sparker box !!!! also_ > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3856305610) <_http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d > ll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3856305610_ > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3856305610) > > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 17/06/2005 From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Jun 19 03:02:07 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:02:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Update on the Ruston Hornsby - PB 3 - The head is off... Message-ID: <42B5429F.3080501@steamengine.com.au> A bit of an update on the Ruston PB 3 I brought home last weekend... http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/rh-pb3/index.html#June_19th_2005_-_Home_and_in_good_nick Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 17/06/2005 From plb at iinet.net.au Sun Jun 19 06:01:20 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:01:20 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Update on the Ruston Hornsby - PB 3 - The head is off... In-Reply-To: <42B5429F.3080501@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <200506191301.j5JD1WjA099621@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Looks like you might be in luck and get it going easy enough Paul. I bored and sleeved one like that a few weeks ago for a bloke in the club here. Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Pavlinovich Sent: Sunday, 19 June 2005 6:02 PM To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Update on the Ruston Hornsby - PB 3 - The head is off... A bit of an update on the Ruston PB 3 I brought home last weekend... http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/rh-pb3/index.html#June_19th_2005_-_ Home_and_in_good_nick Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 17/06/2005 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From shop at cccomm.net Sun Jun 19 12:02:10 2005 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:02:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bull's Eye Engine References: Message-ID: <003e01c57501$65bc3f20$6401a8c0@Shop> Is there anyplace that can date a Ward's Bull's Eye sideshaft engine? It's a 2 horse with serial No.5974 Thanks Dave From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Jun 19 12:18:00 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:18:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Update on the Ruston Hornsby - PB 3 - The head is off... In-Reply-To: <42B5429F.3080501@steamengine.com.au> References: <42B5429F.3080501@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: Cool! That doesn't look bad at all! John On Jun 19, 2005, at 6:02 AM, Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > A bit of an update on the Ruston PB 3 I brought home last weekend... > > http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/rh-pb3/ > index.html#June_19th_2005_-_Home_and_in_good_nick John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Jun 19 15:02:52 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:02:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bull's Eye Engine In-Reply-To: <003e01c57501$65bc3f20$6401a8c0@Shop> References: <003e01c57501$65bc3f20$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <42B5EB8C.5060004@earthlink.net> Hi Dave, Check this link: http://oldengine.org/members/allen/WardCatalogs/WardCatalogs.html I think I have a complete copy of the Bull's Eye engines here also. If you're interested I'll scan it and e-mail it. Don't have time to put it online right now. Jeff Allen Dave Ernst wrote: > Is there anyplace that can date a Ward's Bull's Eye sideshaft engine? > It's a 2 horse with serial No.5974 > > Thanks > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Jun 19 17:00:34 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:00:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bull's Eye Engine In-Reply-To: <003e01c57501$65bc3f20$6401a8c0@Shop> References: <003e01c57501$65bc3f20$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <42B60722.4060801@earthlink.net> Back again Dave, Once scanned half the work was done. Nothing fancy, but here is the catalog. http://oldengine.org/members/allen/BullsEye/Cover1.html Jeff Allen Dave Ernst wrote: > Is there anyplace that can date a Ward's Bull's Eye sideshaft engine? > It's a 2 horse with serial No.5974 > > Thanks > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From nick at holden1.net Mon Jun 20 05:00:15 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:00:15 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Lister Tyndale Rally / fencing gone mad Message-ID: <42B6AFCF.000003.00792@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi all just back from a very good weekend baking in the 90s some very nice engines on show is this health and safty gone mad with the fence? photos at Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Jun 20 06:13:42 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:13:42 EDT Subject: [SEL] Ford V10 Computer External Programmer O.T. Message-ID: <1a3.3601b9e5.2fe81b06@aol.com> From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jun 20 06:21:58 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:21:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06PDT) - economy gas en In-Reply-To: <019e01c57391$439ef430$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <88.28edc560.2fe444cb@aol.com> <42B30356.9050809@imc-group.com> <019e01c57391$439ef430$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <42B6C2F6.5050902@imc-group.com> Reg, Rather than mechanically time it, such as inside an empty EK case, I believe I would attempt an electrical timing. The push button on the new style sparker is quite different than the old style push and click. The new style appears to be just a simple normally open switch. You push it and as long as you hold it in the contact is closed and it makes sparks. In addition to having this push button exposed for easy starting (using the compression method) I believe I would time it by hooking up another set if n/o contacts on the cam gear. I would ti these in parallel across the push button built into the sparker. This way either the cam gear would make the spark in correct time, or you could manually make a spark when starting it. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC R & M Ingold wrote: > How the hell would you time it? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > >> Francis, >> Last weekend I replaced my 20 year old BBQ grill with a new one. It >> has the self start sparker but this one is a little different. You >> unscrew the push knob and put a AA battery inside and screw the knob >> back together. You hold the button in and get spark-spark-spark. >> About 2 or 3 sparks per second as long as you hold the button in. >> Have no idea how long the battery will last but I was thinking this >> would make a heck of a high tension devise to put in a empty EK or PR >> Wico case. Or perhaps even a starting device. Pull the flywheels up >> against compression as far as you can and hit the sparker. Bang she's >> off and running. Might be a useful starting tool for really big >> engines or for guys that no longer have the strength to pull one thru. >> Maybe these have been around, but the only ones I was familiar with >> were the one spark per push/click type without the battery. >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Jun 20 07:41:39 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:41:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps Message-ID: Hey gang..what is the best way to replace the babbitt in the Gal's main bearing caps? I'm thinking..pouring down the 3/8 npt greaser hole. Just thot I'd check with ya'll TIA ' RickinMt. From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Jun 20 08:09:46 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:09:46 EDT Subject: [SEL] Ford V10 Computer External Programmer O.T. Message-ID: Sorry, I don't know what went wrong with my original message. Here is what I meant to send to the list. Francis Hi, Is anyone on the list familiar with a device used on the Ford V 10 engine's computer to enhance its performance? This device is connected to the diagnostic connector port. The device can be manually adjusted to control the performance of the engine to increase power or economy. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jun 20 10:22:30 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:22:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42B6FB56.1060906@imc-group.com> Rick, Oh you are in for fun pouring the uppers without screwing up the lowers! How about this. Drill and tap 4 #8or #10 holes in the caps, 2 on each side at each end near where the radius of the cap meets the flanges of the cap. Set the cap in place with some amount of shim you like and tighten the flange nuts. Now screw in 4 brass #8 screws until they hit the crankshaft. Set the screws using a locking nut. Remove the caps. Now use a piece of TG&P of the same diameter as your crankshaft about an inch longer than the cap. The 4 screws form a cradle for the TG&P to rest in. Dam with Babbittrite, soot the TG&P, heat everything good, and pour it full while upside down. Once cooled and apart you should have a perfectly formed babbitt insert. Drill your oil port, add the groove, chamfer the correct side for shaft rotation and you're good to go. Oh yeah, and remove the brass screws. Plug holes with caulk and paint. Sound reasonable? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Richard Strobel wrote: > Hey gang..what is the best way to replace the babbitt in the Gal's main >bearing caps? I'm thinking..pouring down the 3/8 npt greaser hole. > > Just thot I'd check with ya'll > > >TIA ' >RickinMt. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Jun 20 12:17:58 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:17:58 EDT Subject: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps Message-ID: <205.40386d6.2fe87066@aol.com> In a message dated 6/20/2005 11:37:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << Hey gang..what is the best way to replace the babbitt in the Gal's main bearing caps? I'm thinking..pouring down the 3/8 npt greaser hole. >> Rick, Are you pouring side thrust bearings at the same time? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 14:04:35 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] RE: Update on the Ruston Hornsby - PB 3 - The head is off... Message-ID: <20050620210435.143.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Paul, The light colored deposits in the combustion chamber of the head are lead oxide from using leaded gasoline. This may help to give you an idea of the last time the engine was run. Leaded gasoline in the U.S. was last used around 1978 or so. When I worked as an engine mechanic we were warned to never wire brush the lead oxide deposits out of an engine head without first soaking the deposit with oil or kerosene so it would not throw out fine dust to be inhaled, and then we were again warned to be careful and put a clean rag over our faces and wear eye protection. If you ever get a peculiar sweet taste in your mouth and nose while working on an engine or while welding, the taste is from lead compounds, which are intensly sweet. Children eat old lead paint chips because of the intensly sweet taste. Work and play safely! Richard Allen From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jun 20 14:28:05 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:28:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06PDT)- economy gas en References: <88.28edc560.2fe444cb@aol.com> <42B30356.9050809@imc-group.com><019e01c57391$439ef430$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <42B6C2F6.5050902@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004001c575de$f3bc98a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> How close together are the sparks? Sounds like a capacitor being charged and discharged so with the engine speed. timing could vary dangerously. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06PDT)- economy gas en > Reg, > Rather than mechanically time it, such as inside an empty EK case, I > believe I would attempt an electrical timing. The push button on the new > style sparker is quite different than the old style push and click. The > new style appears to be just a simple normally open switch. You push it > and as long as you hold it in the contact is closed and it makes sparks. > In addition to having this push button exposed for easy starting (using > the compression method) I believe I would time it by hooking up another > set if n/o contacts on the cam gear. I would ti these in parallel across > the push button built into the sparker. This way either the cam gear would > make the spark in correct time, or you could manually make a spark when > starting it. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > R & M Ingold wrote: > >> How the hell would you time it? >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> >>> Francis, >>> Last weekend I replaced my 20 year old BBQ grill with a new one. It has >>> the self start sparker but this one is a little different. You unscrew >>> the push knob and put a AA battery inside and screw the knob back >>> together. You hold the button in and get spark-spark-spark. About 2 or 3 >>> sparks per second as long as you hold the button in. Have no idea how >>> long the battery will last but I was thinking this would make a heck of >>> a high tension devise to put in a empty EK or PR Wico case. Or perhaps >>> even a starting device. Pull the flywheels up against compression as far >>> as you can and hit the sparker. Bang she's off and running. Might be a >>> useful starting tool for really big engines or for guys that no longer >>> have the strength to pull one thru. >>> Maybe these have been around, but the only ones I was familiar with were >>> the one spark per push/click type without the battery. >>> Curt Holland >>> Gastonia, NC >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Jun 20 16:12:32 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:12:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Update on the Ruston Hornsby - PB 3 - The head is off... In-Reply-To: <20050620210435.143.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050620210435.143.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <622be4aa8accd0eea76dbb27ab8e925a@chartertn.net> > If you ever get a peculiar sweet taste in your mouth and > nose while working on an engine or while welding, the taste is from > lead compounds, which are intensly sweet. Children eat old lead paint > chips because of the intensly sweet taste. Just today, a lady who works in my office told me that her mother used to put "sugar of lead" (lead acetate) on rashes like poison ivy. Said it provided quick relief. Asked me if I'd tried it. I advised that it's readily absorbed through the skin and very poisonous. New one on me. Many cases of lead and other heavy metal poisoning nowadays are from folk remedies. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Jun 20 18:34:16 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:34:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps References: <205.40386d6.2fe87066@aol.com> Message-ID: Yes, Tom Rick > Rick, > > Are you pouring side thrust bearings at the same time? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Jun 20 20:30:22 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:30:22 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Lister Tyndale Rally / fencing gone mad References: <42B6AFCF.000003.00792@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <000b01c57611$9801e5f0$3c9681cb@ogborneuah38i3> Unfortunately Nick this seems the case. One of the clubs i belong to has gone down this path . As a matter of interest ,how do you get this fencing to the rally,s? ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick" To: Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:00 PM Subject: [SEL] Lister Tyndale Rally / fencing gone mad > Hi all > just back from a very good weekend baking in the 90s > some very nice engines on show > is this health and safty gone mad with the fence? > photos at > > Nick Holden > Banbury > Oxfordshire (UK) > nick at holden1.net > http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jun 20 20:52:05 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:52:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Lister Tyndale Rally / fencing gone mad In-Reply-To: <42B6AFCF.000003.00792@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <20050621035157.BKJO12533.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Those fences are a little over the top. They could not be used here as they would be considered a tripping hazard due to the protruding legs! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi all just back from a very good weekend baking in the 90s some very nice engines on show is this health and safty gone mad with the fence? photos at Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jun 20 21:02:20 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:02:20 +1000 Subject: [SEL] TOMM Warning (for OZ listers) Message-ID: <20050621040211.BWUV12533.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> This warning is on the main page of the TOMM site: WE WISH TO ADVISE THAT THERE IS A PERSON CALLING FROM THE WOLLONGONG, NSW, AREA WHO IS CONTACTING COLLECTORS WHO ARE RUNNING WANTED (TRACTOR PARTS) ADS IN VARIOUS CURRENT AND BACK ISSUES OF THIS MAGAZINE. THE PERSON CREATES A SENSE OF URGENCY, ADVISING COLLECTORS THAT THE MONEY MUST BE DEPOSITED INTO A SPECIFIED BANK ACCOUNT BEFORE THE PARTS CAN BE SENT. THE PARTS THEN FAIL TO TURN UP. A NUMBER OF SUBSCRIBERS HAVE ALREADY BEEN CAUGHT AND HAVE NOTIFIED US OF WHAT IS HAPPENING. THE POLICE HAVE ALSO BEEN NOTIFIED. FOR MORE INFORMATION, FEEL FREE TO CONTACT OUR OFFICE (02) 65815200 The more warned the better. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Jun 20 22:14:56 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:14:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] TOMM Warning (for OZ listers) References: <20050621040211.BWUV12533.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <000d01c57620$2a3d0400$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Thanks Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 2:02 PM Subject: [SEL] TOMM Warning (for OZ listers) > This warning is on the main page of the TOMM site: > > WE WISH TO ADVISE THAT THERE IS A PERSON CALLING FROM THE WOLLONGONG, NSW, > AREA WHO IS CONTACTING COLLECTORS WHO ARE RUNNING WANTED (TRACTOR PARTS) ADS > IN VARIOUS CURRENT AND BACK ISSUES OF THIS MAGAZINE. THE PERSON CREATES A > SENSE OF URGENCY, ADVISING COLLECTORS THAT THE MONEY MUST BE DEPOSITED INTO > A SPECIFIED BANK ACCOUNT BEFORE THE PARTS CAN BE SENT. THE PARTS THEN FAIL > TO TURN UP. A NUMBER OF SUBSCRIBERS HAVE ALREADY BEEN CAUGHT AND HAVE > NOTIFIED US OF WHAT IS HAPPENING. THE POLICE HAVE ALSO BEEN NOTIFIED. FOR > MORE INFORMATION, FEEL FREE TO CONTACT OUR OFFICE (02) 65815200 > > > The more warned the better. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 21 01:07:23 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:07:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] TOMM Warning (for OZ listers) In-Reply-To: <20050621040211.BWUV12533.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Thanks Patrick for the warning, people like this make my blood boil, all it does is give us the honest ones who are trying to help out our fellow collectors by surplying those hard to get parts a bad name and also makes one think twice about replying to want ads. Dave >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" , >"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >Subject: [SEL] TOMM Warning (for OZ listers) >Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:02:20 +1000 > >This warning is on the main page of the TOMM site: > >WE WISH TO ADVISE THAT THERE IS A PERSON CALLING FROM THE WOLLONGONG, NSW, >AREA WHO IS CONTACTING COLLECTORS WHO ARE RUNNING WANTED (TRACTOR PARTS) >ADS >IN VARIOUS CURRENT AND BACK ISSUES OF THIS MAGAZINE. THE PERSON CREATES A >SENSE OF URGENCY, ADVISING COLLECTORS THAT THE MONEY MUST BE DEPOSITED INTO >A SPECIFIED BANK ACCOUNT BEFORE THE PARTS CAN BE SENT. THE PARTS THEN FAIL >TO TURN UP. A NUMBER OF SUBSCRIBERS HAVE ALREADY BEEN CAUGHT AND HAVE >NOTIFIED US OF WHAT IS HAPPENING. THE POLICE HAVE ALSO BEEN NOTIFIED. FOR >MORE INFORMATION, FEEL FREE TO CONTACT OUR OFFICE (02) 65815200 > > >The more warned the better. > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Sell your car for $9 on carpoint.com.au http://www.carpoint.com.au/sellyourcar From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Jun 21 03:12:28 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:12:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Update on the Ruston Hornsby - PB 3 - The head is off... In-Reply-To: <20050620210435.143.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050620210435.143.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42B7E80C.2060004@steamengine.com.au> Good advice Richard - Thanks. Leaded petrol was available here until the early 90's in some places. I won't need to wire brush out the lead oxide - it is just falling off - I'll pull it out and get rid of it next time I touch the engine. Paul Richard Allen wrote: > Hi, Paul, > > The light colored deposits in the combustion chamber of the head are > lead oxide from using leaded gasoline. This may help to give you an > idea of the last time the engine was run. Leaded gasoline in the U.S. > was last used around 1978 or so. When I worked as an engine mechanic we > were warned to never wire brush the lead oxide deposits out of an > engine head without first soaking the deposit with oil or kerosene so > it would not throw out fine dust to be inhaled, and then we were again > warned to be careful and put a clean rag over our faces and wear eye > protection. If you ever get a peculiar sweet taste in your mouth and > nose while working on an engine or while welding, the taste is from > lead compounds, which are intensly sweet. Children eat old lead paint > chips because of the intensly sweet taste. > > Work and play safely! > > Richard Allen > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Jun 21 03:15:33 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:15:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies Message-ID: <42B7E8C5.5020002@steamengine.com.au> Hi guys, Now that Power Kerosene is well and truly unavailable, what are people using instead? If used a 50:50 mix of mineral spirit and lighting kerosene used but it fouls the plugs (not hot enough - too much soot?). Yes, I know you can just run the engines on petrol, but I like playing with stuff :) Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jun 20 21:30:50 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:30:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oil drips In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050621002901.0d6450e0@mail.alltel.net> Hi George, I know that you are not a DEMOCRAT--and therefore know that words mean things. Nuf said! Dave At 10:48 AM 6/16/2005, you wrote: >Dave, > >You're right, that the piston is getting the same amount of oil. >However, the piston is traveling 3 times the distance in that same >period which means it is getting one third the amount of oil for the >distance traveled. > >Some people get so picky over what you say rather than what you meant >;-) > >George > >Ps... Changed the subject since we're not talking about the Sattley >manual anymore. Of course this thread has about run its course, so the >change probably isn't needed. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > Dave Rotigel > > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 4:19 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Sattley manual > > > > > > >If you take your show engine and speed it up to 300rpm, the > > piston is > > >traveling 3 times the distance per minute than it was at the > > low show > > >speed. Consequently, the piston is now only getting one third the > > >amount of oil it was previously. > > >George > > > > Hi George, > > Think a bit about your above statement. > > Dave > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Jun 21 03:58:09 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:58:09 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies References: <42B7E8C5.5020002@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <002001c57650$2528a890$299881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Make friends with your local Helicopter people and ask them to give you the remains of the test samples and the out of date fuel........that's what we do. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 6:15 PM Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies > Hi guys, > Now that Power Kerosene is well and truly unavailable, what are people > using instead? If used a 50:50 mix of mineral spirit and lighting kerosene > used but it fouls the plugs (not hot enough - too much soot?). > > Yes, I know you can just run the engines on petrol, but I like playing > with stuff :) > > Paul > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jun 21 04:32:46 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:32:46 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies In-Reply-To: <002001c57650$2528a890$299881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <20050621113246.43688.qmail@web25503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Make friends with your local Helicopter people and ask them to give you the > remains of the test samples and the out of date fuel........that's what we > do. ...and when I was working on offshore rigs, that amounted to at least 8 litres/day, depending upon how many helos landed. 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Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Jun 21 05:24:50 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:24:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies References: <42B7E8C5.5020002@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <002501c5765c$392ac420$1684dccb@oemcomputer> Paul .Why do you need to use power kero.This is not what was used in these engines.Just plain old ordinary Kero.I run all my oil engines on kero and sometimes just for fun my other kero engines and have never had any problems.No special mixes.Most of these engines were being used long before anyone even thought of power kero.If you get your engines hot enough there is no trouble with sooting but we run our engines mostly no load and they take a long time to get hot enough to run properly on kero. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:15 Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies > Hi guys, > Now that Power Kerosene is well and truly unavailable, what are people > using instead? If used a 50:50 mix of mineral spirit and lighting > kerosene used but it fouls the plugs (not hot enough - too much soot?). > > Yes, I know you can just run the engines on petrol, but I like playing > with stuff :) > > Paul > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Jun 21 06:07:54 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 06:07:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Power Kerosene replacement recipies In-Reply-To: <42B7E8C5.5020002@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <200506211308.j5LD82Mc068208@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Now that Power Kerosene is well and truly unavailable, what > are people using instead? If used a 50:50 mix of mineral spirit > and lighting kerosene used but it fouls the plugs (not hot enough > - too much soot?). > > Yes, I know you can just run the engines on petrol, but I > like playing with stuff :) Hi Paul, Your experiments make perfect sense. Running a kerosene engine on gasoline is like inviting Wolfgang Puck over for dinner and serving him Hamburger Helper. The Jet-A that is available from the airports is very similar to kerosene. We've used this in the Rumely, but don't any more because airports are not the friendliest places for weird guys who want to fill the back of their vans up with fuel. In our Hornsby, we burn 1-K which is readily available from petroleum products distributors. Sometimes it's dyed red to discourage people from using it in their Diesel engines on public roads. It would seem silly though, to run $7 per gallon kerosene when Diesel is available for a third that price. The Rumely is thirsty and not economical to run on 1-K, so we mix Diesel and gasoline. The mixture we use varies, but perhaps a mixture of two parts gasoline and one part Diesel would be a good place to start experimenting. Since you already have kerosene on hand, you can try sweetening it up with gasoline. Rob From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jun 21 07:42:53 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:42:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps References: <42B6FB56.1060906@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Ok..we give up here in sheep country:-)) What is TG&P?? And once again Curt..why can't I just use the cs instead of the TG&P? It's clean of any garbage and would mark/index, etc., until the cows come home. later pard. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps > Rick, > Oh you are in for fun pouring the uppers without screwing up the lowers! > How about this. Drill and tap 4 #8or #10 holes in the caps, 2 on each > side at each end near where the radius of the cap meets the flanges of > the cap. Set the cap in place with some amount of shim you like and > tighten the flange nuts. Now screw in 4 brass #8 screws until they hit > the crankshaft. Set the screws using a locking nut. Remove the caps. Now > use a piece of TG&P of the same diameter as your crankshaft about an > inch longer than the cap. The 4 screws form a cradle for the TG&P to > rest in. Dam with Babbittrite, soot the TG&P, heat everything good, and > pour it full while upside down. Once cooled and apart you should have a > perfectly formed babbitt insert. Drill your oil port, add the groove, > chamfer the correct side for shaft rotation and you're good to go. Oh > yeah, and remove the brass screws. Plug holes with caulk and paint. > Sound reasonable? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > > Hey gang..what is the best way to replace the babbitt in the Gal's main > >bearing caps? I'm thinking..pouring down the 3/8 npt greaser hole. > > > > Just thot I'd check with ya'll > > > > > >TIA ' > >RickinMt. > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jun 21 08:52:50 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:52:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps In-Reply-To: References: <42B6FB56.1060906@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42B837D2.1030605@imc-group.com> Turned, Ground, and Polished. Crankshaft is fine if you can deal with the cumberance of it. I figured you had the flywheels back on it and it was set in place already. My thinking was to cut a short piece maybe an inch longer than the cap is wide, so you would have a small, easy to handle and heat unit that was easy to pour into. Curt Richard Strobel wrote: >Ok..we give up here in sheep country:-)) What is TG&P?? > >And once again Curt..why can't I just use the cs instead of the TG&P? It's >clean of any garbage and would mark/index, etc., until the cows come home. > >later pard. >Rick > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Curt" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:22 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps > > > > >>Rick, >>Oh you are in for fun pouring the uppers without screwing up the lowers! >>How about this. Drill and tap 4 #8or #10 holes in the caps, 2 on each >>side at each end near where the radius of the cap meets the flanges of >>the cap. Set the cap in place with some amount of shim you like and >>tighten the flange nuts. Now screw in 4 brass #8 screws until they hit >>the crankshaft. Set the screws using a locking nut. Remove the caps. Now >>use a piece of TG&P of the same diameter as your crankshaft about an >>inch longer than the cap. The 4 screws form a cradle for the TG&P to >>rest in. Dam with Babbittrite, soot the TG&P, heat everything good, and >>pour it full while upside down. Once cooled and apart you should have a >>perfectly formed babbitt insert. Drill your oil port, add the groove, >>chamfer the correct side for shaft rotation and you're good to go. Oh >>yeah, and remove the brass screws. Plug holes with caulk and paint. >>Sound reasonable? >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >> >>Richard Strobel wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hey gang..what is the best way to replace the babbitt in the Gal's main >>>bearing caps? I'm thinking..pouring down the 3/8 npt greaser hole. >>> >>> Just thot I'd check with ya'll >>> >>> >>>TIA ' >>>RickinMt. >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Mon Jun 20 14:58:21 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Sandwich IL Engine & Tractor Show Message-ID: <20050620215821.93681.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Just wanted to invite all of you to this years show this coming weekend, June 25-26. Feature is Ford Tractors and Jacob Haish Built engines (including Great Western, Early Rock Island, Appleton, Chanticleer). More info at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/ Steve PS - Extra points if you cross the pond to get here... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Jun 21 09:47:54 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:47:54 EDT Subject: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps Message-ID: <1a0.3634f3d5.2fe99eba@aol.com> In a message dated 6/20/2005 9:55:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << Are you pouring side thrust bearings at the same time? >> Rick, What I did was to make spacer shims out of head gasket material that went tight against the crank shaft and held in place with the bearing cap bolts, but without the caps in place. Use babbitrite, etc., to form a dam and funnel to pour the bottom mains. Exit hole on the other side of course. With crank shimmed off floor in proper location, pour bottoms. Clean up bottom mains after pouring, put back in gasket shims and top caps to keep top hot babbit from ruining the bottoms as Curt said, Dam everything accordingly and pour top mains. Put a thin wall tubing down the grease hole and dam on underside to keep the babbit out of threads. Pour thru tubing clean up, install regular shims, or use the head gasket shim. Works for me. Like a fellow told me once, what do you have to loose, but remelt the babbit and try again! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From nick at holden1.net Tue Jun 21 12:06:22 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:06:22 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Lister Tyndale Rally / fencing gone mad References: <000b01c57611$9801e5f0$3c9681cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <42B8652E.000005.02252@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Peter as i have nothing to do with the show onley take my engine i am not shure but i think they have to hire it and all that does is take more money away from any good cause that may otherwise have been helped nick -------Original Message------- From: peter ogborne Date: 06/21/05 04:47:22 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister Tyndale Rally / fencing gone mad Unfortunately Nick this seems the case. One of the clubs i belong to has gone down this path . As a matter of interest ,how do you get this fencing to the rally,s? ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick" To: Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:00 PM Subject: [SEL] Lister Tyndale Rally / fencing gone mad > Hi all > just back from a very good weekend baking in the 90s > some very nice engines on show > is this health and safty gone mad with the fence? > photos at > > Nick Holden > Banbury > Oxfordshire (UK) > nick at holden1.net > http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Jun 21 11:05:50 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:05:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sandwich IL Engine & Tractor Show Message-ID: <20050621.150743.800.0.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks for the invite, Steve. I'm committed to Marshal County's show in Moundsville WV. Even so, you're a little far away for me. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jun 21 13:38:03 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:38:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps References: <42B6FB56.1060906@imc-group.com> <42B837D2.1030605@imc-group.com> Message-ID: IC..yes the short TG&P would be easier to work with all around. My concern (and tunnel vision big time) is the radius that has to be dealth with. And If I remember right you deal with that later. Thanks pard...heat has hit hear with a vengence!!! ] RickinMt. > Turned, Ground, and Polished. Crankshaft is fine if you can deal with > the cumberance of it. I figured you had the flywheels back on it and it > was set in place already. > My thinking was to cut a short piece maybe an inch longer than the cap > is wide, so you would have a small, easy to handle and heat unit that > was easy to pour into. > Curt > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > >Ok..we give up here in sheep country:-)) What is TG&P?? > > > >And once again Curt..why can't I just use the cs instead of the TG&P? > >It's > >clean of any garbage and would mark/index, etc., until the cows come > >home. > > > >later pard. > >Rick > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Curt" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:22 AM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps > > > > > > > > > >>Rick, > >>Oh you are in for fun pouring the uppers without screwing up the lowers! > >>How about this. Drill and tap 4 #8or #10 holes in the caps, 2 on each > >>side at each end near where the radius of the cap meets the flanges of > >>the cap. Set the cap in place with some amount of shim you like and > >>tighten the flange nuts. Now screw in 4 brass #8 screws until they hit > >>the crankshaft. Set the screws using a locking nut. Remove the caps. Now > >>use a piece of TG&P of the same diameter as your crankshaft about an > >>inch longer than the cap. The 4 screws form a cradle for the TG&P to > >>rest in. Dam with Babbittrite, soot the TG&P, heat everything good, and > >>pour it full while upside down. Once cooled and apart you should have a > >>perfectly formed babbitt insert. Drill your oil port, add the groove, > >>chamfer the correct side for shaft rotation and you're good to go. Oh > >>yeah, and remove the brass screws. Plug holes with caulk and paint. > >>Sound reasonable? > >>Curt Holland > >>Gastonia, NC > >> > >>Richard Strobel wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> Hey gang..what is the best way to replace the babbitt in the Gal's > >>> main > >>>bearing caps? I'm thinking..pouring down the 3/8 npt greaser hole. > >>> > >>> Just thot I'd check with ya'll > >>> > >>> > >>>TIA ' > >>>RickinMt. > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>SEL mailing list > >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jun 21 14:00:56 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:00:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps References: <1a0.3634f3d5.2fe99eba@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks Tom..ya done good! I think my problems in the past have been not enuf preheat so the babbitt flows to the furthest corner or I don't have the babbitt hot enuf...kinda paranoid on that one...another good reason to use the TG&P I guess. The crank straightener did mention that he trued up the cs main bearing surface as it was slighly oblong..so I might be doing bottom bearing babbitt's also..we'll see when I get the cs back this weekend. As always..'preciate the comeback. One of these days I'll send an old fan to ya. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps > In a message dated 6/20/2005 9:55:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > > << Are you pouring side thrust bearings at the same time? >> > > > Rick, > > What I did was to make spacer shims out of head gasket material that went > tight against the crank shaft and held in place with the bearing cap > bolts, but > without the caps in place. Use babbitrite, etc., to form a dam and funnel > to > pour the bottom mains. Exit hole on the other side of course. With crank > shimmed off floor in proper location, pour bottoms. Clean up bottom mains > after > pouring, put back in gasket shims and top caps to keep top hot babbit from > ruining the bottoms as Curt said, Dam everything accordingly and pour top > mains. > Put a thin wall tubing down the grease hole and dam on underside to keep > the > babbit out of threads. Pour thru tubing clean up, install regular shims, > or use > the head gasket shim. Works for me. > > Like a fellow told me once, what do you have to loose, but remelt the > babbit > and try again! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Jun 21 16:11:07 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:11:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: old engine] Message-ID: <42B89E8B.9080803@earthlink.net> Hi all, If you can help respond direct. He's not on the lists. filipache_adrian at yahoo.com Jeff Allen -------- Original Message -------- Subject: old engine Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 23:49:15 -0700 (PDT) From: filipache adrian To: transteck at earthlink.net I have 2 old engine, mark Anton Schluter, made in Germany approximately 1920.They are very beautiful and intersting curio. I want more information about Anton Schluter. Thank you! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Jun 21 16:25:00 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:25:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps Message-ID: <96.29cf15b6.2fe9fbcc@aol.com> In a message dated 6/21/2005 5:24:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << I think my problems in the past have been not enuf preheat so the babbitt flows to the furthest corner or I don't have the babbitt hot enuf. >> Rick, At the furthest corner you have to have a vent to flow properly also. I think some will put a heat lamp on the area for a while to preheat and help flow. What is the old test for proper babbit temperature--- charring of a test pine stick? Have fun! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Jun 21 16:27:07 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:27:07 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Lister Tyndale Rally / fencing gone mad References: <000b01c57611$9801e5f0$3c9681cb@ogborneuah38i3> <42B8652E.000005.02252@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <001501c576b8$c2075e50$999281cb@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Nick . As i said i belong to three clubs one of which has a very fancy and expensive aluminium fence . This has to be transported to the shows in a specially built trailer!!! And who tows the trailer ....that is a problem. It is unfortunate that it has come to this state of affairs . However the other two clubs are still using basic fencing . ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister Tyndale Rally / fencing gone mad > Hi Peter as i have nothing to do with the show onley take my engine > i am not shure but i think they have to hire it and all that does is take > more > money away from any good cause that may otherwise have been helped > > nick > > -------Original Message------- > > From: peter ogborne > Date: 06/21/05 04:47:22 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister Tyndale Rally / fencing gone mad > > Unfortunately Nick this seems the case. One of the clubs i belong to has > gone down this path . As a matter of interest ,how do you get this fencing > to the rally,s? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nick" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:00 PM > Subject: [SEL] Lister Tyndale Rally / fencing gone mad > > >> Hi all >> just back from a very good weekend baking in the 90s >> some very nice engines on show >> is this health and safty gone mad with the fence? >> photos at >> >> Nick Holden >> Banbury >> Oxfordshire (UK) >> nick at holden1.net >> http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From alanwh at iinet.net.au Tue Jun 21 17:07:18 2005 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:07:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies In-Reply-To: <002501c5765c$392ac420$1684dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <200506220007.j5M07Gfc031145@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Edd Interesting I wonder when power kero was first used Alan Wheaton -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of edd payne Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:25 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies Paul .Why do you need to use power kero.This is not what was used in these engines.Just plain old ordinary Kero.I run all my oil engines on kero and sometimes just for fun my other kero engines and have never had any problems.No special mixes.Most of these engines were being used long before anyone even thought of power kero.If you get your engines hot enough there is no trouble with sooting but we run our engines mostly no load and they take a long time to get hot enough to run properly on kero. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:15 Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies > Hi guys, > Now that Power Kerosene is well and truly unavailable, what are people > using instead? If used a 50:50 mix of mineral spirit and lighting > kerosene used but it fouls the plugs (not hot enough - too much soot?). > > Yes, I know you can just run the engines on petrol, but I like playing > with stuff :) > > Paul > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Jun 21 20:14:45 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:14:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies In-Reply-To: <42B7E8C5.5020002@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <20050622031435.SKUQ20594.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I use lighting kerosene in my Austral and we use the same thing in the various Blackstones, Hornsbys and Crossleys up here. I have never bothered to try kero in my spark plug kero engines for two reasons; they don't get hot enough; my spark plug kerosene engines are thirsty buggers and kero is a lot more expensive than petrol. The big R&V is petrol/kero but there is no way I could ever get it hot enough to burn kero. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi guys, Now that Power Kerosene is well and truly unavailable, what are people using instead? If used a 50:50 mix of mineral spirit and lighting kerosene used but it fouls the plugs (not hot enough - too much soot?). Yes, I know you can just run the engines on petrol, but I like playing with stuff :) Paul From rdi at rochester.rr.com Tue Jun 21 20:45:36 2005 From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:45:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Update on the Ruston Hornsby - PB 3 - The head is off... Message-ID: <000c01c576dc$d9bc34c0$5d56cc45@rochester.rr.com> Richard Allen writes: >This may help to give you an idea of the last time the >engine was run. Leaded gasoline in the U.S. >was last used around 1978 or so. That may(?) have been the original plan, but the EPA backed off in the end, and let the free market determine when lead in gas went away (lower/no demand=stop production). The summer of 1991 was the last time I personally bought leaded gas for my car here in western NY. -Rick I. From gwaugh at wowway.com Tue Jun 21 22:04:35 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:04:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Update on the Ruston Hornsby - PB 3 - The head is off... In-Reply-To: <000c01c576dc$d9bc34c0$5d56cc45@rochester.rr.com> References: <000c01c576dc$d9bc34c0$5d56cc45@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <42B8F163.8050309@wowway.com> Rick I. wrote: > Richard Allen writes: > > >>This may help to give you an idea of the last time the >>engine was run. Leaded gasoline in the U.S. >>was last used around 1978 or so. > > > That may(?) have been the original plan, but the EPA backed off in the end, > and let the free market determine when lead in gas went away (lower/no > demand=stop production). The summer of 1991 was the last time I personally > bought leaded gas for my car here in western NY. > > -Rick I. > > _______________________________________________ I lived in rural Arizona until about 11-12 years ago, and I think you could still see leaded when I left. You gotta remember, out west, lots of cars n trucks last much longer than in other parts of the country! -- Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois 60123 USA From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Wed Jun 22 02:50:21 2005 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:50:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Power Kerosene replacement recipies References: 42577096 Message-ID: <001c01c5770f$cf5de860$0301a8c0@Young1203> I use the ordinary blue dyed kero available in supermarkets to run my Allan. It runs no problems now although it did take take a while to get the settings right - fuel valve duration being found to be important. 20 minutes of blow lamp to get started now and it goes all day at about 150rpm provided I slow the water circulation down a bit. If I forget to slow down the cooling water, it stops in a smokey blue haze after a few hours!! I am told Hornsby's are a bit fussy with fuel but I am yet to find out if helicopter juice is worth the trouble with them. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: ; "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:07 PM Subject: [SEL] RE: Power Kerosene replacement recipies > > > Now that Power Kerosene is well and truly unavailable, what > > are people using instead? If used a 50:50 mix of mineral spirit > > and lighting kerosene used but it fouls the plugs (not hot enough > > - too much soot?). > > > > Yes, I know you can just run the engines on petrol, but I > > like playing with stuff :) > > Hi Paul, > Your experiments make perfect sense. Running a kerosene engine on gasoline is > like inviting Wolfgang Puck over for dinner and serving him Hamburger Helper. > > The Jet-A that is available from the airports is very similar to kerosene. > We've used this in the Rumely, but don't any more because airports are not the > friendliest places for weird guys who want to fill the back of their vans up > with fuel. > > In our Hornsby, we burn 1-K which is readily available from petroleum products > distributors. Sometimes it's dyed red to discourage people from using it in > their Diesel engines on public roads. It would seem silly though, to run $7 per > gallon kerosene when Diesel is available for a third that price. > > The Rumely is thirsty and not economical to run on 1-K, so we mix Diesel a nd > gasoline. The mixture we use varies, but perhaps a mixture of two parts > gasoline and one part Diesel would be a good place to start experimenting. > > Since you already have kerosene on hand, you can try sweetening it up with > gasoline. > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Wed Jun 22 02:54:40 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:54:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies In-Reply-To: <200506220007.j5M07Gfc031145@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200506220007.j5M07Gfc031145@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <42B93560.2060002@steamengine.com.au> 1909 is the first reference I've ever seen for it. TVO (Tractor Vaporising Oil) which is basically the same appeared during WWI when petrol was rationed. Paul Alan wrote: > Hi Edd > Interesting I wonder when power kero was first used > > Alan Wheaton > > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.10/25 - Release Date: 21/06/2005 From brock at netspeed.com.au Wed Jun 22 03:56:05 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:56:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies References: <42B7E8C5.5020002@steamengine.com.au> <002501c5765c$392ac420$1684dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001d01c57718$feb21010$5f11fea9@merlin> I agree with you Edd if the truth be known about power kero needs a lot higher heat rate to burn fully thats why it was used in tractors i knew a guy who worked for Ronaldson tippett he told me during the 1930,s 40,s farmer put power kero in there engines after a few weeks they would gum up and lock up the engines had to be striped down i have seen this first hand a few years ago a guy in our club put power kero in his 16 hp Austral oil engine it gumed up after a days running it locked up we had to take the piston out to clean it . and as far as TVO fuel in the original hornsby akroyd hand book dated 1900 it states that they used HVO , hornsby vaporising oil , that was made of Russian crude that it is stated in the hornsby book . Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies > Paul .Why do you need to use power kero.This is not what was used in these > engines.Just plain old ordinary Kero.I run all my oil engines on kero and > sometimes just for fun my other kero engines and have never had any > problems.No special mixes.Most of these engines were being used long > before > anyone even thought of power kero.If you get your engines hot enough there > is no trouble with sooting but we run our engines mostly no load and they > take a long time to get hot enough to run properly on kero. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Pavlinovich" > To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:15 > Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies > > >> Hi guys, >> Now that Power Kerosene is well and truly unavailable, what are people >> using instead? If used a 50:50 mix of mineral spirit and lighting >> kerosene used but it fouls the plugs (not hot enough - too much soot?). >> >> Yes, I know you can just run the engines on petrol, but I like playing >> with stuff :) >> >> Paul >> -- >> >> pjp at steamengine.com.au >> Emerald, Victoria, Australia >> www.steamengine.com.au >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jun 22 05:07:13 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:07:13 EDT Subject: [SEL] what is it? OT Message-ID: <1e0.3ec7a5ae.2feaae71@aol.com> This is my latest acquisition of "things" I own. I will call it an overgrown mortar/pedestal from a very large drug store. HA! It is about 8 inches diameter, 8 inches tall and very heavy cast iron. The bottom of the "mortar" is very smooth as is the bottom of the "Pedestal". It is obviously made to grind something, but what? Guess I will have to start my tedious checking thru the patent office. On the handle is embossed: E. N. RIOTTE MAKER 104 Washington St. NY On the "pedestal" is embossed: J. S. BUCK Pat DEC 14, 1880 Pictures at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/grinder1 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/grinder2 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/grinder3 Any ideas? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Jun 22 10:00:44 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:00:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Kerosene In-Reply-To: <200506220007.j5M07Gfc031145@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200506221700.j5MH0sVd043597@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I'm sceptical of the practice of using the terms "power kerosene" and "lighting kerosene" to describe a specific product. I've found no technical references that utilize such nomenclature and no references that specifically describe the characteristics of either. In studying old texts, it is clear that "gasoline" is a word used to describe high-end petroleum distilates and "kerosene" became a catch-all word for heavier fuels. "Burning Oil" has also been used to describe heavier fuels. These are generic terms, not unlike "beer" or "meat." We toss the words around freely, but without further elaboration, we don't know exactly what they mean. One clue in our search for the characteristics of kerosene as was used in early engines is Britain's Petroleum Act of 1873, and later 1879. It stated that oils for illuminating purposes would have a flash point of no lower than 73 degrees Fahrenheit. There were already severe restrictions on the handling of lighter fuels. The restrictions on "gasoline" encouraged manufacturers to build engines that utilized "burning oils." Robinson published the characteristics of burning oils available in Britain in the mid 1800's. Specific gravities ranged from 0.797 to 0.825. Flash points ranged from 75 degrees to 152 degrees. Other physical characteristics varied just as wildly. Factors that determined the characteristics of the finished product were the origin of the crude oil and the techniques used in refining. Clerk states the obvious when he notes that the type of vaporizor used will be dependent on the type of burning oil used for fuel. A review of modern MSDS sheets reveals that "kerosene" is still a generic term for a myriad of products. Flash point, which I might add is only one physical characteristic of interest to the engineman, varies from 95 to 170 degrees Fahrenheit. We can be certain that there was no standardized fuel that was used by engine manufacturers. The kerosene that Priestman was using was different than the kerosene that Secor was using, which was different than the kerosene that Wilbur J. Austral was using. If we are to believe Clerk, then we must assume that the Austral fuel probably wasn't the best fuel for the Priestman, and vice-versa. But we must also assume that as soon as the engine left the factory, it would be run on fuels with wide ranging characteristics. This would especially be true in engines that were exported to distant locations. Keeping that in mind the diverse fuels of the past, if we are having problems running an old engine today, it would behoove us to look for causes other than the chemical composition of the fuel. With that said, if we find that an engine runs more nicely when we sweeten the kerosene with a spash of gasoline, there is no compelling reason not to do so. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From christison at coastalnet.com Wed Jun 22 10:52:20 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:52:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] what is it? OT Message-ID: <410-220056322175220765@coastalnet.com> Tom, Check patent number 235505. An amalgamating mortar. Take care. Ken > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 6/22/2005 8:28:16 AM > Subject: [SEL] what is it? OT > > This is my latest acquisition of "things" I own. I will call it an overgrown > mortar/pedestal from a very large drug store. > > On the "pedestal" is embossed: > > J. S. BUCK > Pat DEC 14, 1880 > Any ideas? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com From plb at iinet.net.au Wed Jun 22 06:56:18 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:56:18 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies In-Reply-To: <20050622031435.SKUQ20594.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <200506221848.j5MImtUn084997@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I remember us having a International badged Ronaldson Tippett N on the farm. It run a 2 inch pump everyday for as long as I can remember. The fuel tank never had anything in it except power kero. To start it we would dribble maybe 1/4 of a teaspoon of petrol on the intake. It would start on that straight away and as soon as it was up to speed there was nothing there but kero. The other thing I remember about it was our shut off device. When the pump had filled the tank it overflowed over the top of the engine and drowned it. I can only recall once or twice having trouble starting it. Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 11:15 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list'; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: RE: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies I use lighting kerosene in my Austral and we use the same thing in the various Blackstones, Hornsbys and Crossleys up here. I have never bothered to try kero in my spark plug kero engines for two reasons; they don't get hot enough; my spark plug kerosene engines are thirsty buggers and kero is a lot more expensive than petrol. The big R&V is petrol/kero but there is no way I could ever get it hot enough to burn kero. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi guys, Now that Power Kerosene is well and truly unavailable, what are people using instead? If used a 50:50 mix of mineral spirit and lighting kerosene used but it fouls the plugs (not hot enough - too much soot?). Yes, I know you can just run the engines on petrol, but I like playing with stuff :) Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jun 22 12:25:43 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:25:43 EDT Subject: [SEL] what is it? OT Message-ID: <213.35573f7.2feb1537@aol.com> In a message dated 6/22/2005 2:12:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, christison at coastalnet.com writes: << Check patent number 235505. An amalgamating mortar. >> Ken, You are most amazing and how did you find so quick, pure luck? I have not had a chance till now to come back to computer as I have had my 8 year old neighbor and he and I fixed his and Millie's old mailboxes. They were mounted beside each other on FFA concrete posts years ago, wood brackets rotted, rusty, flaking paint, etc. So, we cleaned everything, made new mounting boards, painted everything and reinstalled. His mother was glad for me to keep him for the day and impressed at our work. Of course I had told her to make sure he had on old clothes, but had not told her of our plans. Her and young daughter are now visiting and in the pool with Millie. Will have a photo later. Do you know what amalgamating, quicksilver,etc is doing for the finished product. Maybe look up the Robertson process. We are headed for Hatteras Saturday for the week. Thanks, Tom From George_Best at adp.com Wed Jun 22 13:08:50 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:08:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Harry's dad Message-ID: For those of you who know Harry Terpstra. I just got an email from him and his father has passed away. His dad had a heart attack a couple days ago and was in intensive care at the hospital. He died this afternoon. This will be tough on Harry as he and his dad were very close and shared a common interest in the engine hobby. George From christison at coastalnet.com Wed Jun 22 13:46:53 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:46:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] what is it? OT Message-ID: <410-220056322204653953@coastalnet.com> Tom, It isn't too bad if you know the name of the inventor. The patents are issued in alphabetical order by the inventors name. They are usually issued in batches alphabetically, ie. three or four sets of names on a given day. I guess a google search should bring up the process of gold extraction using mercury. Take care. Ken > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 6/22/2005 3:45:46 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] what is it? OT > > In a message dated 6/22/2005 2:12:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > christison at coastalnet.com writes: > > << Check patent number 235505. An amalgamating mortar. >> > Ken, > > You are most amazing and how did you find so quick, pure luck? > > Do you know what amalgamating, quicksilver,etc is doing for the finished > product. Maybe look up the Robertson process. > > We are headed for Hatteras Saturday for the week. > > Thanks, > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed Jun 22 14:12:12 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:12:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Harry's dad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi George, I'm sorry to hear this, I was hoping some day to meet him, I believe he was a great mechanic and had some innovative ways to adapt machining techinques to old iron projects. My condolences to Harry and his family. Steve Royster >>I just got an email from him and his father has passed away. >His dad had a heart attack a couple days ago and was in intensive care >at the hospital. He died this afternoon. > >This will be tough on Harry as he and his dad were very close and shared >a common interest in the engine hobby. > >George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jun 22 15:31:54 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:31:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] what is it? OT References: <410-220056322175220765@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <008101c5777a$3790a930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Enlightening knowledge but, I still am as ignorant about its function as I was before!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:52 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] what is it? OT > Tom, > > Check patent number 235505. An amalgamating mortar. > > Take care. > > Ken > > > >> [Original Message] >> From: >> To: >> Date: 6/22/2005 8:28:16 AM >> Subject: [SEL] what is it? OT >> >> This is my latest acquisition of "things" I own. I will call it an > overgrown >> mortar/pedestal from a very large drug store. > > >> >> On the "pedestal" is embossed: >> >> J. S. BUCK >> Pat DEC 14, 1880 > >> Any ideas? >> >> Tom Schmutz >> Concord, Va. USA >> Germoamer at aol.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From galoway4 at earthlink.net Wed Jun 22 16:34:25 2005 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:34:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Message-ID: <001401c57782$eebe7440$a2de5a42@jake> The Chinese have put in a bid to buy the MAYTAG CORP. Will this change the name of our maytags to Mayling? From galoway4 at earthlink.net Wed Jun 22 16:44:39 2005 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:44:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Dad Message-ID: <009d01c57784$5cb2b050$a2de5a42@jake> Met Harry"s dad in 99 at a Holland show. We talked to him for a long time and enjoyed meeting him. Harry's family will be in our prayers. Arthur and Betty From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jun 22 16:51:33 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:51:33 EDT Subject: [SEL] what is it? OT Message-ID: <1f4.c3c1cba.2feb5385@aol.com> In a message dated 6/22/2005 6:57:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes: << Enlightening knowledge but, I still am as ignorant about its function as I was before!! >> Reg, I did not know any more either after reading the patent except that it was used to grind and mix stuff. Ron (Maytag twin) just enlightened me and is forwarding the info to you. Miner grind up ore, mix with quicksilver, water, drain off water, boil in oven and gold left. At least that is what I understand is the process. This would explain why the thing is so big. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Jun 22 16:52:16 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:52:16 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Maytag References: <001401c57782$eebe7440$a2de5a42@jake> Message-ID: <001d01c57785$6f832ab0$879681cb@ogborneuah38i3> Hey Arthur ....you have not seen anything yet ! I believe that one of you big oil company's has been sold to them . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Buchanan" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 7:34 AM Subject: [SEL] Maytag > The Chinese have put in a bid to buy the MAYTAG CORP. Will this change > the name of our maytags to Mayling? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Jun 22 19:51:50 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:51:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] what is it? OT In-Reply-To: <008101c5777a$3790a930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <200506230251.j5N2pvmR055156@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Enlightening knowledge but, I still am as ignorant about its > function as I was before!! Assuming the amalgamation is in regards to the recovery of precious metal using mercury, it was a common practice in the old days, but I've never seen tools to do it on a small scale. The process depends on a characteristic of mercury that makes it combine with other metals. In some large scale operations for milling gold, ore goes through a stamp mill. Water washes the powdered ore down over an amalgamation table. It's a big flat sheet, sometimes galvanized steel with strips of wood or copper riffles crossing it. Mercury covers the amalgamation table. As the slurry of powdered gold ore washes over the table, the gold particles combine with the mercury. Eventually the mercury/gold amalgam is removed from the table. It is placed in a vessel, heated, and the mercury boils off, leaving the gold. Eventually the process was replaced with the use of cyanide, which is more efficient. I don't know the dates of changeover, but mercury amalgamation was used in the mid to late 1800's in this area. By the time of WW2 when many of our mines were shut down, cyanide was being used. Rob From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Jun 22 19:59:09 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:59:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies In-Reply-To: <42B93560.2060002@steamengine.com.au> References: <200506220007.j5M07Gfc031145@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <42B93560.2060002@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <42BA257D.2090806@earthlink.net> Good spot to jump in. From the folks in 1905 here is what one had to say. You will have to jump a couple pages to get to kero, but it is interesting reading. http://oldengine.org/members/allen/OldBook/P070.html Jeff Allen Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > 1909 is the first reference I've ever seen for it. TVO (Tractor > Vaporising Oil) which is basically the same appeared during WWI when > petrol was rationed. > > Paul > > Alan wrote: > >> Hi Edd Interesting I wonder when power kero was first used >> >> Alan Wheaton >> >> > > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Jun 22 13:28:33 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:28:33 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Kerosene References: <200506221700.j5MH0sVd043597@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000e01c57768$f9c8fcd0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> This is what my 1912 IHC operators guide says. Kerosene as sold today varies between 42 degrees and 44 degrees, Beaume test. It is the common belief that gasoline is more easily eva- porated and ignited than kerosene, that it gives more power but the reverse is true. Kerosene and the lower grade oils such as distillate, solaroil, fuel oil, etc., contain more heat units than a equal bulk of gasoline and in a properly designed engine will give proportionately more power. I think that's why it got its name "Power Kerosene". An image of a Beaume test can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/fuels.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Rob Skinner wrote > June 22, 2005 7:00 PM > I'm sceptical of the practice of using the terms "power kerosene" and "lighting > kerosene" to describe a specific product. I've found no technical references > that utilize such nomenclature and no references that specifically describe the > characteristics of either. From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Jun 22 20:25:37 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:25:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Harry's dad Message-ID: <20050622.233415.656.4.jlb94@juno.com> Sorry to hear this - Our prayers are with him. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Jun 22 15:48:55 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:48:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Harry's dad References: Message-ID: <002301c5777c$935505c0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:12 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Harry's dad > >>I just got an email from him and his father has passed away. > >His dad had a heart attack a couple days ago and was in intensive care > >at the hospital. He died this afternoon. > >This will be tough on Harry as he and his dad were very close and shared > >a common interest in the engine hobby. George > Hi George, I'm sorry to hear this, I was hoping some day to meet him, I > believe he was a great mechanic and had some innovative ways to adapt > machining techniques to old iron projects. My condolences to Harry and his > family. Steve Royster Hi Guys, Lou was a great & knowledgeable person to know & his visits to the UK will be greatly missed. Lou is number 11 on this group photo at the 1000 engine rally 2002. http://community.webshots.com/photo/41893547/153834508LwILZz Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jun 23 03:33:23 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:33:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] what is it? OT References: <200506230251.j5N2pvmR055156@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <009901c577df$7a0dbc20$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Hmm, serious health worries with this getting rich thing!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 12:51 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] what is it? OT > >> Enlightening knowledge but, I still am as ignorant about its >> function as I was before!! > > Assuming the amalgamation is in regards to the recovery of precious metal > using > mercury, it was a common practice in the old days, but I've never seen > tools to > do it on a small scale. > > The process depends on a characteristic of mercury that makes it combine > with > other metals. > > In some large scale operations for milling gold, ore goes through a stamp > mill. > Water washes the powdered ore down over an amalgamation table. It's a big > flat > sheet, sometimes galvanized steel with strips of wood or copper riffles > crossing > it. Mercury covers the amalgamation table. As the slurry of powdered > gold ore > washes over the table, the gold particles combine with the mercury. > > Eventually the mercury/gold amalgam is removed from the table. It is > placed in > a vessel, heated, and the mercury boils off, leaving the gold. > > Eventually the process was replaced with the use of cyanide, which is more > efficient. I don't know the dates of changeover, but mercury amalgamation > was > used in the mid to late 1800's in this area. By the time of WW2 when many > of > our mines were shut down, cyanide was being used. > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Jun 23 04:51:50 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:51:50 EDT Subject: [SEL] what is it? OT Message-ID: <20b.3863b68.2febfc56@aol.com> In a message dated 6/22/2005 11:17:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com writes: << Eventually the process was replaced with the use of cyanide, which is more efficient. >> Rob Wonder how many partners were gotten rid of using this stuff? Thanks for the information about gold extraction. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Jun 23 06:55:23 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:55:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies In-Reply-To: <42BA257D.2090806@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200506231355.j5NDtVLn085120@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Good spot to jump in. From the folks in 1905 here is what one had to > say. You will have to jump a couple pages to get to kero, but it is > interesting reading. > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/OldBook/P070.html Hi Jeff, Thanks for sending that along. If we take Hiscox's data and combine it with other tables and MSDS sheets, it appears that kerosene is everything in between gasoline and Diesel #2. From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Thu Jun 23 07:00:27 2005 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:00:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mayling Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A704C1A395@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>>From: "Arthur Buchanan" >>>The Chinese have put in a bid to buy the MAYTAG CORP. Will this change the name of our maytags to Mayling? The name on the washing machine will likely be Haier. I have a friend who works in the dryer plant in Benton, Illinois, who is fearful this will be the end of US made Maytag products, and soon after, most US made appliances. "NAFTA is nifty" Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From curt at imc-group.com Thu Jun 23 08:07:03 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:07:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts Message-ID: <42BAD017.60709@imc-group.com> Guys, I am having a little trouble finding oak lumber to make the carts rails for the Baker Monitor project we are working on. I am looking for oak that is dried/cured that will finish to 3 1/2" wide x 5" tall x 48" long. Will need two rails. I have called all the lumber yards in the area with no luck. A lot of you use heavy oak timbers on your carts and I am wondering where you find your wood. Dave Rotigel has some huge timbers under most of his engines. Your source? I appreciate your suggestions. Does any of you have wood this size for sale? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From b2 at chooka.net Thu Jun 23 08:36:41 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:36:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts In-Reply-To: <42BAD017.60709@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200506231036162.SM02420@wrbpc> Curt, I might be able to help. I buy oak slab wood to burn and sometimes encounter a timber that's just too good to put in the furnace. It's rough and of odd dimensions and sometimes not real straight but if you can plane it down to dimension I probably have a couple of sticks what would work for your purposes. Most of my oak is burr oak, I don't know how that finishes up. A friend uses quite a bit of it to make furniture, so it must look pretty good. Shipping may be a bit, although I'd be able to get them down to about 50 inches before shipping. We'll see what others come up with, maybe you can find something closer to home. I'm headed out of town for a few days (old iron trip, even, headed to Canada to pick up a 1929 JD D) but will be back online Sunday some time. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:07 AM To: SEL Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts Guys, I am having a little trouble finding oak lumber to make the carts rails for the Baker Monitor project we are working on. I am looking for oak that is dried/cured that will finish to 3 1/2" wide x 5" tall x 48" long. Will need two rails. I have called all the lumber yards in the area with no luck. A lot of you use heavy oak timbers on your carts and I am wondering where you find your wood. Dave Rotigel has some huge timbers under most of his engines. Your source? I appreciate your suggestions. Does any of you have wood this size for sale? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Thu Jun 23 08:40:55 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:40:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts Message-ID: <410-220056423154055390@coastalnet.com> Curt, You might check around for someone who builds pallets. They use a lot of oak in those around here. Take care. Ken > [Original Message] > From: Curt > To: SEL > Date: 6/23/2005 11:27:21 AM > Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts > > Guys, > I am having a little trouble finding oak lumber to make the carts rails > for the Baker Monitor project we are working on. I am looking for oak > that is dried/cured that will finish to 3 1/2" wide x 5" tall x 48" > long. Will need two rails. I have called all the lumber yards in the > area with no luck. > A lot of you use heavy oak timbers on your carts and I am wondering > where you find your wood. Dave Rotigel has some huge timbers under most > of his engines. Your source? > I appreciate your suggestions. > Does any of you have wood this size for sale? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From tsmith at hal-pc.org Thu Jun 23 10:59:44 2005 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:59:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts In-Reply-To: <200506231036162.SM02420@wrbpc> References: <200506231036162.SM02420@wrbpc> Message-ID: What about laminating several pieces to the dimentions you need? Tom On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:36:41 -0500 "Bill Brueck" wrote: > Curt, I might be able to help. I buy oak slab wood to burn and >sometimes > encounter a timber that's just too good to put in the furnace. It's >rough > and of odd dimensions and sometimes not real straight but if you can >plane > it down to dimension I probably have a couple of sticks what would >work for > your purposes. Most of my oak is burr oak, I don't know how that >finishes > up. A friend uses quite a bit of it to make furniture, so it must >look > pretty good. > > Shipping may be a bit, although I'd be able to get them down to >about 50 > inches before shipping. > > We'll see what others come up with, maybe you can find something >closer to > home. I'm headed out of town for a few days (old iron trip, even, >headed to > Canada to pick up a 1929 JD D) but will be back online Sunday some >time. > > B? > > Bill Brueck (brick) > Chatfield, MN, USA > > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > > -----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:07 AM > To: SEL > Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts > > Guys, > I am having a little trouble finding oak lumber to make the carts >rails for > the Baker Monitor project we are working on. I am looking for oak >that is > dried/cured that will finish to 3 1/2" wide x 5" tall x 48" > long. Will need two rails. I have called all the lumber yards in the >area > with no luck. > A lot of you use heavy oak timbers on your carts and I am wondering >where > you find your wood. Dave Rotigel has some huge timbers under most of >his > engines. Your source? > I appreciate your suggestions. > Does any of you have wood this size for sale? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at pennswoods.net Thu Jun 23 14:49:09 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:49:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts In-Reply-To: <42BAD017.60709@imc-group.com> References: <42BAD017.60709@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050623144752.01a524e0@mail.pennswoods.net> Curt i have enough to build 6 or 8 of them contact me off line. R Fink PA At 11:07 AM 6/23/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Guys, >I am having a little trouble finding oak lumber to make the carts rails >for the Baker Monitor project we are working on. I am looking for oak that >is dried/cured that will finish to 3 1/2" wide x 5" tall x 48" long. Will >need two rails. I have called all the lumber yards in the area with no luck. >A lot of you use heavy oak timbers on your carts and I am wondering where >you find your wood. Dave Rotigel has some huge timbers under most of his >engines. Your source? >I appreciate your suggestions. >Does any of you have wood this size for sale? >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Jun 23 13:29:33 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:29:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE:Need Transportation to Portland In-Reply-To: <42BAD017.60709@imc-group.com> Message-ID: >Hello List, I have a small skidded engine(under three horsepower) that >needs a lift from just west of Boston Mass. to Portland Indianna for the >August show. If anyone has the room on a trailer or pickup I'll help with >fuel costs.Thanks, Steve Royster Asheville, N.C. From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Jun 23 17:42:22 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:42:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE:Need Transportation to Portland References: Message-ID: <008f01c57855$96623920$71a4f504@x8h7l9> Steve, I plan to go to the Portland, Ind show, but plan going empty to Hickory, NC early August to help my daughter move. Would be empty both ways with PU and little trailer. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT (North of Danbury) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 4:29 PM Subject: [SEL] RE:Need Transportation to Portland > > > >Hello List, I have a small skidded engine(under three horsepower) that > >needs a lift from just west of Boston Mass. to Portland Indianna for the > >August show. If anyone has the room on a trailer or pickup I'll help with > >fuel costs.Thanks, Steve Royster Asheville, N.C. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From asouth at strato.net Thu Jun 23 19:41:36 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:41:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Harry's dad References: Message-ID: <009201c57866$3ef6b4c0$9500a8c0@ARTHUR> Sorry to hear about Harry's Dad. My condolences to Harry and family. Arthur Southwell Arcadia, FL asouth at strato.net From ivancou at alltel.net Thu Jun 23 13:52:37 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:52:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE:Need Transportation to Portland References: Message-ID: <000201c57835$7d6814a0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Steve , If you can get it closer I could take it the rest of the way . I live near Corsica,PA 15829 . Ivan From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Jun 23 21:12:22 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:12:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts In-Reply-To: <42BAD017.60709@imc-group.com> References: <42BAD017.60709@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050623234413.0d7a0c00@mail.alltel.net> At 11:07 AM 6/23/2005, you wrote: >Guys, >I am having a little trouble finding oak lumber to make the carts rails >for the Baker Monitor project we are working on. I am looking for oak that >is dried/cured that will finish to 3 1/2" wide x 5" tall x 48" long. Will >need two rails. I have called all the lumber yards in the area with no luck. >A lot of you use heavy oak timbers on your carts and I am wondering where >you find your wood. Dave Rotigel has some huge timbers under most of his >engines. Your source? >I appreciate your suggestions. >Does any of you have wood this size for sale? >Curt Holland Hi Curt, This size of oak would have to be a special order and would take at least 3 months to kiln dry properly. An alternative is to have it cut and dried for about three weeks (turning it once a day and covering it if it rains) and then plane it to finish size, sand it and put 5 coats of polyurethane varnish on it (in five days) and then mount the engine on it. The engine will then keep the wood from twisting as it finishes the curing process. What you need is a friend with a saw mill. My source is either Anders Johnson ( 1/2 mile from my house--Anders milled the 12'X12" Oak for Tillie) or Ed Miller (5 miles from my house.) I'll be glad to place the order for you, but we need to figure out a way to get the timbers to you in a timely way after it is taken off the stump and sawed/plained. Dave PS, Please don't ask me to fine out the cost. I would not insult either men by asking for a price prior to picking up the order. I can tell you that neither Anders or Ed would cheat you! PPS, I can tell you that I picked up 6 pieces of 5/4 oak boards today-- 7" X 8' and paid Ed a total of $35.00 for it! From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Jun 23 21:20:14 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:20:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts In-Reply-To: References: <200506231036162.SM02420@wrbpc> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050624001926.0d7f0ee0@mail.alltel.net> Time (and weather) will take it's toll and the pieces will come apart! Dave At 01:59 PM 6/23/2005, you wrote: >What about laminating several pieces to the dimentions you need? > >Tom From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Jun 24 02:46:05 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:46:05 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050623234413.0d7a0c00@mail.alltel.net> References: <42BAD017.60709@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050623234413.0d7a0c00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605062402462d09c862@mail.gmail.com> On 6/24/05, Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 11:07 AM 6/23/2005, you wrote: > >Guys, > >I am having a little trouble finding oak lumber to make the carts rails > >for the Baker Monitor project we are working on. I am looking for oak that > >is dried/cured that will finish to 3 1/2" wide x 5" tall x 48" long. Will > >need two rails. I have called all the lumber yards in the area with no luck. > >A lot of you use heavy oak timbers on your carts and I am wondering where > >you find your wood. Dave Rotigel has some huge timbers under most of his > >engines. Your source? > >I appreciate your suggestions. > >Does any of you have wood this size for sale? > >Curt Holland > > Hi Curt, > This size of oak would have to be a special order and would take > at least 3 months to kiln dry properly. An alternative is to have it cut > and dried for about three weeks (turning it once a day and covering it if > it rains) and then plane it to finish size, sand it and put 5 coats of > polyurethane varnish on it (in five days) and then mount the engine on it. > The engine will then keep the wood from twisting as it finishes the curing > process. > What you need is a friend with a saw mill. My source is either > Anders Johnson ( 1/2 mile from my house--Anders milled the 12'X12" Oak for > Tillie) or Ed Miller (5 miles from my house.) I'll be glad to place the > order for you, but we need to figure out a way to get the timbers to you in > a timely way after it is taken off the stump and sawed/plained. > Dave > PS, Please don't ask me to fine out the cost. I would not insult either men > by asking for a price prior to picking up the order. I can tell you that > neither Anders or Ed would cheat you! > PPS, I can tell you that I picked up 6 pieces of 5/4 oak boards today-- 7" > X 8' and paid Ed a total of $35.00 for it! Jim Dunmyer might be worth contacting on this, he has a small sawmill IIRC jdunmyer at toltbbs.com Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Jun 24 04:03:16 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:03:16 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Trying to contact Peg Pffeifer Message-ID: <001501c578ac$573d7280$6f9181cb@ogborneuah38i3> Email address......anybody? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Jun 24 04:36:50 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 07:36:50 EDT Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts Message-ID: <144.47e0f341.2fed4a52@aol.com> In a message dated 6/24/2005 3:08:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: << am having a little trouble finding oak lumber to make the carts rails >for the Baker Monitor project we are working on. >> Curt, Try: Groff and Groff Lumber Co. Quarryville, Pa. 800-342-0001 Fax 717-284-2400 Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Jun 24 04:44:46 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:44:46 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Trying to contact Peg Pffeifer References: <001501c578ac$573d7280$6f9181cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <003101c578b2$21624f90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Pfeiffer, Peg E-mail Address(es): Old_Iron at msn.com Personal Information: Address: 904 Forestview Park Ridge Illinois 60068 USA Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: [SEL] Trying to contact Peg Pffeifer > Email address......anybody? > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Jun 24 04:47:54 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 07:47:54 EDT Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts Message-ID: <1fd.43fd2ed.2fed4cea@aol.com> In a message dated 6/24/2005 3:02:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: << Time (and weather) will take it's toll and the pieces will come apart! >> Dave, I recently uses some polyurethane, supposedly water proof glue to assemble the church bell rope wheel I recently built. You wet the wood prior to assembly for adhesion and I assume as a catalyst to make the glue work. It spits, foams, and expands out of every crack and crevice it can find. It will be interesting to see how it holds up to the weather. The old one lasted 40 years and hopefully this one will be longer. Maybe someone can send me an update in 30 years where I am. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Jun 24 04:56:42 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:56:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Kerosene In-Reply-To: <200506221700.j5MH0sVd043597@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200506221700.j5MH0sVd043597@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <42BBF4FA.8040201@steamengine.com.au> Hi Rob, The refineries did have published definitions of the fuels they produced - but these have changed dramatically over time. The FAQ entry on Fuel Types is an example of the types at two moments in time in the 1930s and the late 1960s. http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/fueltypes.html Out of interest, some engines came with fuel ordering information to have the fuel made to order - I cannot imagine that any customer beyond huge ones like railways and later trucking companies could have gotten away with this. Even today the modern product we consider as Gasoline / Petrol varies widely from bowser to bowser. In Australia the Octane rating is regulated, but the content of the fuel makeup is not except that if alcohol is included it must be stated on the bowser. Paul Rob Skinner wrote: > I'm sceptical of the practice of using the terms "power kerosene" and "lighting > kerosene" to describe a specific product. I've found no technical references > that utilize such nomenclature and no references that specifically describe the > characteristics of either. > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.0/27 - Release Date: 23/06/2005 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Jun 24 04:59:46 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 05:59:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Oak Message-ID: Curt, you might contact a cabinet shop. Doubt it they'd have what you need, but could probably steer you in the right direction. I know the custom shops around here get some of their specialty wood from your neck of the woods. Good Luck RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Jun 24 05:27:07 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 06:27:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts References: <1fd.43fd2ed.2fed4cea@aol.com> Message-ID: Keep in mind there's a big price difference between red and white oak...up here anyway. Don't ask me how I know:-( RickinMt. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Jun 24 05:27:57 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:27:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Power Kerosene replacement recipies In-Reply-To: <42B7E8C5.5020002@steamengine.com.au> References: <42B7E8C5.5020002@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <42BBFC4D.1060000@steamengine.com.au> I've used everyone's replies to update the Power Kerosene FAQ at http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/powerkero.html Let me know if you want your entry edited or removed. Thanks for sharing (ok, so I've barely touched the FAQ for a year... well I'm on it again :). Regards Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.0/27 - Release Date: 23/06/2005 From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Jun 24 07:27:04 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:27:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE:Need Transportation to Portland In-Reply-To: <008f01c57855$96623920$71a4f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: Hi Ed, Thanks for the reply. I live only about an hour from Hickory. Is it possible to bring the engine to Hickory and let me meet you there? The engine is a2-1/2 hp fluter hopper Aermotor at Mike O'malleys somewhere around Harvard. How close is that to you? I would be happy to pay for your gas and trouble. Just let me know if this is possible, My cell phone is 828 776 4918 If you'll give me your phone # I'll call you to work out the details, Thanks again, Steve >From: "ED" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] RE:Need Transportation to Portland >Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:42:22 -0400 > >Steve, > >I plan to go to the Portland, Ind show, but plan going empty to Hickory, NC >early August to help my daughter move. Would be empty both ways with PU and >little trailer. > >Ed Stoller >New Fairfield, CT (North of Danbury) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steve Royster" >To: >Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 4:29 PM >Subject: [SEL] RE:Need Transportation to Portland > > > > > > > > >Hello List, I have a small skidded engine(under three horsepower) that > > >needs a lift from just west of Boston Mass. to Portland Indianna for >the > > >August show. If anyone has the room on a trailer or pickup I'll help >with > > >fuel costs.Thanks, Steve Royster Asheville, N.C. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Jun 24 07:29:22 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:29:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE:Need Transportation to Portland In-Reply-To: <000201c57835$7d6814a0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Message-ID: Thanks, Ivan, I'll let you know how the details progress. I am working on getting it moved around. Thanks, Steve >From: "ivan" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] RE:Need Transportation to Portland >Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:52:37 -0400 > >Steve , If you can get it closer I could take it the rest of the way . I >live near Corsica,PA 15829 . Ivan > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marvhed at ecenet.com Fri Jun 24 08:18:13 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:18:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts In-Reply-To: References: <1fd.43fd2ed.2fed4cea@aol.com> Message-ID: <43636.199.62.0.252.1119626293.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> and i understand the longivity of white oak surpasses red when exposed to the weather. however, i like the grain and color of varnished red oak for show. marv in minn > Keep in mind there's a big price difference between red and white oak...up > here anyway. Don't ask me how I know:-( > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Fri Jun 24 06:37:49 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:37:49 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Trying to contact Peg Pffeifer Message-ID: <062420051337.2732.42BC0CAD00035DE100000AAC21979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Peter, Try Peg at: oldiron at msn.com regards, Curt Andree > Email address......anybody? > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Fri Jun 24 03:53:50 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:53:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts Message-ID: <062420051053.7878.42BBE63E000A07A500001EC621979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Curt, I have two real good saw mills I buy larger red oak stock from and I am sure they could help you out with 4" X 6" stock of the length you need. I also have the plainner on hand to cut down to 3 1/2 X 5" if you like. Contact me off list. Curt Andree > Guys, > I am having a little trouble finding oak lumber to make the carts rails > for the Baker Monitor project we are working on. I am looking for oak > that is dried/cured that will finish to 3 1/2" wide x 5" tall x 48" > long. Will need two rails. I have called all the lumber yards in the > area with no luck. > A lot of you use heavy oak timbers on your carts and I am wondering > where you find your wood. Dave Rotigel has some huge timbers under most > of his engines. Your source? > I appreciate your suggestions. > Does any of you have wood this size for sale? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jun 24 12:22:22 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:22:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Another Baker Monitor update 6/24/05 Message-ID: <42BC5D6E.4090806@imc-group.com> Had a go at making a replacement bearing insert for the connecting rod on Devin's Baker Monitor project. Since we had ground the throw under about .007 to make it round again, we just figured it would be easier to cast a new insert in place. We also fluxed the conn rod and cap and bonded the babbitt to them. This will make a better bearing anyway. At the bottom of this link at the "Update 6/24/05" http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html Hope you enjoy. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From mullt at att.net Fri Jun 24 13:11:57 2005 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:11:57 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Another Baker Monitor update 6/24/05 Message-ID: <062420052011.7656.42BC690C000F1D3400001DE821603762239B04049A03@att.net> These are some really great "in progress" pictures. Especially for us newbies. Tom in St. Louis -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Curt > Had a go at making a replacement bearing insert for the connecting rod > on Devin's Baker Monitor project. Since we had ground the throw under > about .007 to make it round again, we just figured it would be easier to > cast a new insert in place. We also fluxed the conn rod and cap and > bonded the babbitt to them. This will make a better bearing anyway. At > the bottom of this link at the "Update 6/24/05" > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbn > ails.html > > Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Jun 24 19:03:15 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:03:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE:Need Transportation to Portland In-Reply-To: <000201c57835$7d6814a0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Message-ID: Thanks everyone who replied to my request for transport help for a small rusty engine needing a ride to Portland. I believe things are just about worked out. This is a great group of people and a great group for helping move iron across the country. Thank you all, see you in Portland, Steve Royster . From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Jun 25 04:27:55 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:27:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] irony, the Ruston PB3 and a Lucas RS-1 magneto Message-ID: <42BD3FBB.8070901@steamengine.com.au> I was wandering through a junk store this morning, you know the kind - they hang a sign out the front with the word "Antiques" on it. I had been told that in one of the display cases was a Lucas RS-1 magneto. I needed one for the PB3 I recovered out of the creek. I could not find it anywhere. I eventually asked the guy up front and he said he knew where it was, but that he'd sold it. Then he mentioned that he thought there was another one. We eventually found it amongst a box of old fishing reels. He only wanted $70 which is a good enough price for it (although I could probably get one on a a common engine for $100 - in fact I gave away a Ronnie N type not so long ago to a fellow club member with a hot mag on it). I got it home and was immediately dismayed that it was not hot... should have tested it in the store. Then I pulled the covers off - the points were filthy, absolutely coated in grease. I hosed out the area with carby cleaner and left it to dry. The capacitor was not screwed in, so I tightened it up and put a nut on the connector. One spin and it zapped me. Happy :). It did not come off a PB3, but it is not a drama - some filing on a nut that fits the shaft to match the driver of the end of the shaft on the PB3 and all will be fine. Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.1/28 - Release Date: 24/06/2005 From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jun 23 05:43:12 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:43:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re castings from Bob Bromp. Message-ID: <00c101c577f1$23f5c460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> It is about time to bring something to light, so I am about to relate what I think needs airing. About 5 or more months back, I ordered and paid for, 4 sets of Ball hopper Monitor casting sets from Bob Bromp. The previous set I got from him a few years back were excellent quality and made up into a top model. Hence the reason to make more. He had to get the castings done. This I was aware of. I allowed things to drift along until I answered an ad in the GEM by someone who had not received what he should have from Bob. He was asking for feedback from Bob's customers. He told me he was appalled by the response. The number of dissatisfied people was waay too high. In light of this, I finally managed to get a reply from Bob after phoning and leaving messages on his answering machine. Here was the reply "Dear Reg, The castings were mailed to you last Wed. (06-01-05) by parsel post, Flywheel castings which I had not received from the foundry at this time. Friday the foundry called to say they were done. I went to California Friday and spent the weekend in Sacramento with my son. Got back last night. Will have the flywheels in the mail Friday. Bob Bromps" In view of the apparent treatment that others have had, I typed back a request for a scan of the PO postage receipts, which would also have been useful for checking postage time. Despite a couple of follow up requests, I have had NO answer to this. Having paid out $1700, I feel I am entitled to have this information. So, the purpose of this letter is to make you all aware of things. I have had direct contact with a few of the other customers and having heard their stories, Be aware. This move of mine is the last thing I can think of doing. I want proof that my castings are in the mail. A copy of this has gone to Bob Bromp and I will fully report on all that transpires. Also, any comments will be appreciated. Thanks for listening. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold directly From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Jun 25 13:25:11 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:25:11 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Astle Park 1000 Engine Rally Message-ID: <6f60251605062513256c8ba164@mail.gmail.com> We popped into Astle Park at lunchtime today, part-way through a 500-mile round trip to collect some bits we had bought on ebay. The hot and humid weather we had been having during the week broke on Friday, with heavy downpours and thunderstorms over much of the UK. Fortunately the ground was very dry so only minor problems were caused on setup day for the rally, and by Saturday it was pretty good underfoor, even the grass was dry to walk on. The engines were better to my eyes than previous occasions, with some unusual hardware on show. I have taken about 50 pics and will get them posted asap. Arnie was there, we met up with him as he was wandering round the engine enclosures taking pictures. We haven't had the dreaded barriers thanks heavens! so only a double rope and fairly unobtrusive. Jim and Dolly joined us for a chat, then we had to go and unload the van for Arthur Griffin for whom we had brought up some magazines that he had purchased and a Norman flat twin that he had bought from us. David McCreath brought my GEC Crystal Set (Early Radio) down from Glasgow, and I was able to give Arnie his exhaust valve lifter locking screw that he was missing on his Lister CS, so a general round of swapping and carrying! We didn't think that the stalls were up to much, and most of the guys we spoke with agreed. The members of the UK newsgroup got together by the beer tent, and photographs were taken by Dave Croft and Kim Siddorn. John & Ria Hammink were a very welcome sight, it was good to see them again. Sadly, the last time we went to this show, we met Lou Terpstra who came over with Harry, but this year for obvious reasons neither could attend. Lou will be greatly missed. A decent-looking Petter Atomic diesel on a trolley went for ?400 in the club sales enclosure, the auction wasn't a lot of good, mostly junk. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Jun 25 19:43:21 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:43:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What is it? Message-ID: <42BE1649.5090100@earthlink.net> Hi all, Went fishing today. Didn't do no catching, but the fishing was great. Really pisses people off when you don't signal to get off the road, but had to stop and take a few pictures of this. http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE01.JPG http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE02.JPG http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE03.JPG The BYB mentions a Gardner engine, but the state is wrong for this engine. Jeff Allen From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Sun Jun 26 03:05:12 2005 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:05:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] What is it? References: 46979749 Message-ID: <001301c57a36$8c00ea20$0301a8c0@Young1203> a compressor maybe? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Oldengine list" Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 12:43 PM Subject: [SEL] What is it? > Hi all, > > Went fishing today. Didn't do no catching, but the fishing was great. > Really pisses people off when you don't signal to get off the road, but > had to stop and take a few pictures of this. > > http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE01.JPG > http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE02.JPG > http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE03.JPG > > The BYB mentions a Gardner engine, but the state is wrong for this engine. > > > Jeff Allen > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Sun Jun 26 05:16:05 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 08:16:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] What is it? References: <42BE1649.5090100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002401c57a48$d4580760$c7b9869d@ibm22761389857> Looks like an air compressor to me. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Oldengine list" Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 22:43 Subject: [SEL] What is it? > Hi all, > > Went fishing today. Didn't do no catching, but the fishing was great. > Really pisses people off when you don't signal to get off the road, but > had to stop and take a few pictures of this. > > http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE01.JPG > http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE02.JPG > http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE03.JPG > > The BYB mentions a Gardner engine, but the state is wrong for this engine. > > > Jeff Allen > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jun 26 05:15:22 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:15:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Astle Park 1000 Engine Rally In-Reply-To: <6f60251605062513256c8ba164@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f60251605062513256c8ba164@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605062605154f0f92b4@mail.gmail.com> On 6/25/05, Listerdiesel wrote: > We popped into Astle Park at lunchtime today Picture pages are up, either through the Trip Reports Icon on the main menu page or direct to: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AstlePark/Astle1.htm through to http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AstlePark/Astle4.htm The pages are interlinked as usual. Let me know if there are any formatting or viewing problems, please. The pages should be OK with Firefox. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Jun 26 11:26:37 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:26:37 EDT Subject: [SEL] What is it? Message-ID: In a message dated 06/26/2005 3:51:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, michael.y at ozemail.com.au writes: a compressor maybe? You are probably correct since the name tag is imprinted with Gardner. Gardner is a compressor manufacturer now located in Denver. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Jun 26 11:52:32 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:52:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Astle Park 1000 Engine Rally In-Reply-To: <6f60251605062605154f0f92b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f60251605062513256c8ba164@mail.gmail.com> <6f60251605062605154f0f92b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42BEF970.1070003@earthlink.net> Peter, As always a wonderful set of pictures. Thanks for sharing. Works fine in Firefox. Jeff Allen Listerdiesel wrote: >On 6/25/05, Listerdiesel wrote: > > >>We popped into Astle Park at lunchtime today >> >> > >Picture pages are up, either through the Trip Reports Icon on the main >menu page or direct to: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AstlePark/Astle1.htm >through to >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AstlePark/Astle4.htm > >The pages are interlinked as usual. > >Let me know if there are any formatting or viewing problems, please. >The pages should be OK with Firefox. > >Peter > > From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Jun 26 12:00:43 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:00:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: What is it? Now thanks In-Reply-To: <42BE1649.5090100@earthlink.net> References: <42BE1649.5090100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42BEFB5B.1060700@earthlink.net> Hi all, Thanks for all the replies. Gardner Denver is still in business, and I will contact them for more information. I snagged a page from the company web site with a bit of history and will paste it below. Interesting history. Jeff Allen http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE01.JPG http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE02.JPG http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE03.JPG > Gardner Denver is an international leader in providing > compressed air and pump equipment that helps keep > thousands of manufacturing processes, as well as oil and gas > production, moving ahead at a brisk pace. We began as the > Gardner Governor Company in 1859, with the introduction > of a product that provided the first effective speed control > for steam engines. By 1890, we had expanded our product > offering to include steam pumps and high speed vertical air > compressors. At the turn of the century, the discovery of > large oil deposits in Texas spurred us to adapt our unique > steam pump technology for use in mud pumps which rapidly > became an integral part of the oilwell drilling process. > In 1927, the Gardner Company merged with Denver Rock Drill > and became Gardner Denver, a manufacturer of equipment > used in oilwell drilling, pipeline trenching, dam, tunnel and > highway construction. For the next 52 years, we continued > to grow and diversify. In 1979, Gardner Denver was acquired > by Cooper Industries and split into ten divisions. Two of > those divisions, Gardner Denver Air Compressors and Gardner > Denver Petroleum Equipment, were combined six years > later and became the Gardner Denver Industrial Machinery > Division. We continued to acquire businesses and products > to broaden our product offering and utilize established > distribution channels. > By 1994, our Division had built a solid reputation as a > full line supplier of compressed air products and oil field > petroleum equipment. Cooper, however, changed strategies > and decided to exit the petroleum equipment business. As a > result, the Gardner Denver Industrial Machinery Division was > spun off as an independent company. Today, Gardner Denver, > Inc. is a publicly held company traded on the New York Stock > Exchange under the symbol GDI. > TRADITION a quality manufacturing > since 1859 From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Sun Jun 26 17:56:41 2005 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:56:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks-Shefield head gasket References: <42BE1649.5090100@earthlink.net> <42BEFB5B.1060700@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000601c57ab3$159c59f0$a145cf45@james547qmsxft> Anybody have any idea where to find a head gasket for a Sheffield railcar engine? This is a 2 cylinder opposed, 4 stroke engine. The gasket is round, 6 bolts, copper clad, 5-3/8" inside diameter. The bolt circle is 6-1/2" diameter. Anybody making these? Thanks in advance! Best Regards; Jim Mackessy Camillus, New York, USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Jun 25 20:22:21 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:22:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] What is it? In-Reply-To: <42BE1649.5090100@earthlink.net> References: <42BE1649.5090100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42BE1F6D.6060503@scrtc.com> Jeff, I don't believe thats an engine but a compressor. I could be wrong and will defer to those with more knowledge than me (which will be most everyone!). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > Went fishing today. Didn't do no catching, but the fishing was great. > Really pisses people off when you don't signal to get off the road, > but had to stop and take a few pictures of this. > > http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE01.JPG > http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE02.JPG > http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE03.JPG > > The BYB mentions a Gardner engine, but the state is wrong for this > engine. > > > Jeff Allen > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Jun 25 20:14:22 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:14:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Astle Park 1000 Engine Rally In-Reply-To: <6f60251605062513256c8ba164@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f60251605062513256c8ba164@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050625230942.0d971800@mail.alltel.net> Hi Peter, Two questions: 1.) Why is this called the 1,000 Engine Rally when there has never been over 500 engines there? and 2.) Did Arnie stay "at home" in the hot tub? Dave At 04:25 PM 6/25/2005, you wrote: >We popped into Astle Park at lunchtime today, part-way through a >500-mile round trip to collect some bits we had bought on ebay. > >The hot and humid weather we had been having during the week broke on >Friday, with heavy downpours and thunderstorms over much of the UK. >Fortunately the ground was very dry so only minor problems were caused >on setup day for the rally, and by Saturday it was pretty good >underfoor, even the grass was dry to walk on. > >The engines were better to my eyes than previous occasions, with some >unusual hardware on show. I have taken about 50 pics and will get them >posted asap. > >Arnie was there, we met up with him as he was wandering round the >engine enclosures taking pictures. We haven't had the dreaded barriers >thanks heavens! so only a double rope and fairly unobtrusive. > >Jim and Dolly joined us for a chat, then we had to go and unload the >van for Arthur Griffin for whom we had brought up some magazines that >he had purchased and a Norman flat twin that he had bought from us. > >David McCreath brought my GEC Crystal Set (Early Radio) down from >Glasgow, and I was able to give Arnie his exhaust valve lifter locking >screw that he was missing on his Lister CS, so a general round of >swapping and carrying! > >We didn't think that the stalls were up to much, and most of the guys >we spoke with agreed. The members of the UK newsgroup got together by >the beer tent, and photographs were taken by Dave Croft and Kim >Siddorn. > >John & Ria Hammink were a very welcome sight, it was good to see them >again. Sadly, the last time we went to this show, we met Lou Terpstra >who came over with Harry, but this year for obvious reasons neither >could attend. Lou will be greatly missed. > >A decent-looking Petter Atomic diesel on a trolley went for ?400 in >the club sales enclosure, the auction wasn't a lot of good, mostly >junk. > >Peter > >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Mon Jun 27 01:43:50 2005 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:43:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Harry's dad - thoughts sent from afar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050627184121.02316a08@mail.netconnect.com.au> Hello George, Please pass onto Harry that many people are thinking of him and share in his grief. While I have neither corresponded with Harry or met him, I can understand his feelings after having lost my father 3 years ago. Regards, Mark At 03:08 PM 22/06/2005 -0500, Best, George wrote: >For those of you who know Harry Terpstra. > >I just got an email from him and his father has passed away. >His dad had a heart attack a couple days ago and was in intensive care >at the hospital. He died this afternoon. > >This will be tough on Harry as he and his dad were very close and shared >a common interest in the engine hobby. > >George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Kennedy Ballarat, Victoria, Australia Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy 'Training Down Under with the majesty of the South Australian Railways' *********************************************************** Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any effected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jun 27 02:21:27 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:21:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Astle Park 1000 Engine Rally In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050625230942.0d971800@mail.alltel.net> References: <6f60251605062513256c8ba164@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050625230942.0d971800@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f602516050627022145dca861@mail.gmail.com> On 6/26/05, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Peter, > Two questions: > 1.) Why is this called the 1,000 Engine Rally when there > has never been over 500 engines there? and > 2.) Did Arnie stay "at home" in the hot tub? > Dave > Hi Dave: You've been very quiet of late... :-)) The "1000 Engine" title is a carry-over from the days when it was held at Tatton Hall, and they probably did get close to 1000 engines on a couple of occasions but I don't think we have ever met that total to my knowledge. There have been other rallies in the 1980's which also had very high turn-out figures, but the quality of the engines was questionable! Arnie's movements (both bodily and physically!) we are not party to, but I am sure that Dolly will be reporting soon... we only had half an hour or so to chat with them before we were off again on our collection trip. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Jun 27 06:17:21 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 06:17:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks-Shefield head gasket In-Reply-To: <000601c57ab3$159c59f0$a145cf45@james547qmsxft> References: <42BE1649.5090100@earthlink.net> <42BEFB5B.1060700@earthlink.net> <000601c57ab3$159c59f0$a145cf45@james547qmsxft> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050627061602.01aaf020@mail.pennswoods.net> James try this one www.olsongaskets.com. R Fink PA At 08:56 PM 6/26/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Anybody have any idea where to find a head gasket for a Sheffield railcar >engine? >This is a 2 cylinder opposed, 4 stroke engine. The gasket is round, 6 bolts, >copper >clad, 5-3/8" inside diameter. The bolt circle is 6-1/2" diameter. Anybody >making >these? Thanks in advance! >Best Regards; >Jim Mackessy >Camillus, New York, USA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nick at holden1.net Sun Jun 26 11:14:11 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:14:11 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Astle Park Message-ID: <42BEF073.000003.01508@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi all just back from a very good day out at Astle Park rally the weather was good to us warm mid 70s some very nice engines on show all can be seen at Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jun 27 12:09:11 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:09:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts In-Reply-To: <062420051053.7878.42BBE63E000A07A500001EC621979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <062420051053.7878.42BBE63E000A07A500001EC621979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <42C04ED7.9060000@imc-group.com> Thanks to all who replied and offered to help with the oak for the cart. Richard Fink had some oak cut for fire place mantels years ago and they look like they will work for this cart. Ya'll on this list are a great bunch of guys who are very willing to help. Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: >Curt, >I have two real good saw mills I buy larger red oak stock from and I am sure >they could help you out with 4" X 6" stock of the length you need. I also >have the plainner on hand to cut down to 3 1/2 X 5" if you like. >Contact me off list. >Curt Andree > > > >>Guys, >>I am having a little trouble finding oak lumber to make the carts rails >>for the Baker Monitor project we are working on. I am looking for oak >>that is dried/cured that will finish to 3 1/2" wide x 5" tall x 48" >>long. Will need two rails. I have called all the lumber yards in the >>area with no luck. >>A lot of you use heavy oak timbers on your carts and I am wondering >>where you find your wood. Dave Rotigel has some huge timbers under most >>of his engines. Your source? >>I appreciate your suggestions. >>Does any of you have wood this size for sale? >> >> From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Jun 27 12:41:57 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:41:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: The results of your email commands Message-ID: <20050627.154205.260.0.jlb94@juno.com> On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:00:03 -0400 sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com writes: > The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is > your > original message. > > - Results: > Invalid confirmation string. Note that confirmation strings > expire > approximately 3 days after the initial subscription request. 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Jeff Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Jeff, > > I don't believe thats an engine but a compressor. I could be wrong > and will defer to those with more knowledge than me (which will be > most everyone!). > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Jeff Allen wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Went fishing today. Didn't do no catching, but the fishing was great. >> Really pisses people off when you don't signal to get off the road, >> but had to stop and take a few pictures of this. >> >> http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE01.JPG >> http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE02.JPG >> http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE03.JPG >> >> The BYB mentions a Gardner engine, but the state is wrong for this >> engine. >> >> >> Jeff Allen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 28 12:47:17 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:47:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone Message-ID: <00b301c57c1a$32715810$230110ac@PAUL> I am trying to locate or find a telephone number for a: Charles Wilcox 238 Deerfield Rd. #1 Allenstown, NH 03275 Can anyone help me? Thanks, Paul From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Jun 28 13:38:49 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:38:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone In-Reply-To: <00b301c57c1a$32715810$230110ac@PAUL> References: <00b301c57c1a$32715810$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050628163122.02208c70@mail.alltel.net> At 03:47 PM 6/28/2005, you wrote: >I am trying to locate or find a telephone number for a: >Charles Wilcox >238 Deerfield Rd. #1 >Allenstown, NH 03275 >Can anyone help me? >Thanks, >Paul Hi Paul, I could call 555.1212 and ask for information in Allentown, NH and then ask the chick on the other end of the line to please look up Charles Wilcox at 238 Deerfield Rd #1. Then I could relay what she told me to you (either on, or off List.) But I think I'll just let you puzzle this one out! Dave PS, Send em to school, buy em books and the eat the covers of em--then they think the SEL is an information service! From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Jun 28 13:44:40 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:44:40 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone References: <00b301c57c1a$32715810$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <000c01c57c22$386606f0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Paul, my Dutch phone book says: (603) 485-3603. Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web I am trying to locate or find a telephone number for a: Charles Wilcox 238 Deerfield Rd. #1 Allenstown, NH 03275 Can anyone help me? Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From b2 at chooka.net Tue Jun 28 13:49:10 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:49:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone In-Reply-To: <00b301c57c1a$32715810$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <200506281549464.SM02420@wrbpc> Is this your guy? http://www.charmingfairwoodentoys.com/orderform.html B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 2:47 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone I am trying to locate or find a telephone number for a: Charles Wilcox 238 Deerfield Rd. #1 Allenstown, NH 03275 Can anyone help me? Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Jun 28 14:40:08 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:40:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Astle Park 1000 Engine Rally/A for Dave R. References: <6f60251605062513256c8ba164@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050625230942.0d971800@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000701c57c29$f84d5c50$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Dave, as you can see at this address: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/DLY.jpg Arnie decided to try some of my brew I brought from the other side of the water. The nude in the middle is Neville Beaty. John H. Two questions: 1.) Why is this called the 1,000 Engine Rally when there has never been over 500 engines there? and 2.) Did Arnie stay "at home" in the hot tub? Dave From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 28 15:27:49 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:27:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Someone O.T. - Thanks Message-ID: <00e901c57c30$a01b1110$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks to everyone who responded the my request for help in finding Charlie, he has not responded to me and all is well. Again thanks to everyone. Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 28 17:46:10 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:46:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone References: <00b301c57c1a$32715810$230110ac@PAUL> <6.1.2.0.0.20050628163122.02208c70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <013c01c57c43$f4cac670$230110ac@PAUL> Dave that works great when the person you are calling does not have a unlisted number, unfortunately this gentleman has an unlisted number. As always I appreciate your responses and your unrelenting willingness to help........you the man Dave!!!!!!!!!!! Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone > At 03:47 PM 6/28/2005, you wrote: >>I am trying to locate or find a telephone number for a: >>Charles Wilcox >>238 Deerfield Rd. #1 >>Allenstown, NH 03275 >>Can anyone help me? >>Thanks, >>Paul > > Hi Paul, > I could call 555.1212 and ask for information in Allentown, NH > and then ask the chick on the other end of the line to please look up > Charles Wilcox at 238 Deerfield Rd #1. Then I could relay what she told me > to you (either on, or off List.) But I think I'll just let you puzzle this > one out! > Dave > PS, Send em to school, buy em books and the eat the covers of em--then > they think the SEL is an information service! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lfevans at pacbell.net Tue Jun 28 18:06:37 2005 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:06:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. But possibly of interest - Old Technology Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050628180539.026159c8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> As a lot of you know I get involved in various projects at the Mt. Wilson Observatory. Recently I have been helping to reassemble and restore the clockwork mechanism that allowed the 60-inch telescope to track an object in the sky. In the early years it often took several hours to expose the photographic plates and of course the telescope had to be kept moving during the exposure to compensate for the rotation of the earth. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/60clock/ to see some pictures of this device which was in use from 1908 - 1968. Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Jun 28 18:44:09 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:44:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050628163122.02208c70@mail.alltel.net> References: <00b301c57c1a$32715810$230110ac@PAUL> <6.1.2.0.0.20050628163122.02208c70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <42C1FCE9.9050505@earthlink.net> Sir Dave, Please use your infinite wisdom to teach us how to find phone numbers so none will ever have to bother the list again with this. Find mine and share your wisdom with all of us. No cheating though. You can't pay anything other than appropriate long distance charges for your search. Jeffrey Allen 6303 Johnson Way Arvada, CO 80004 Find it!! Jeff Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 03:47 PM 6/28/2005, you wrote: > >> I am trying to locate or find a telephone number for a: >> Charles Wilcox >> 238 Deerfield Rd. #1 >> Allenstown, NH 03275 >> Can anyone help me? >> Thanks, >> Paul > > > Hi Paul, > I could call 555.1212 and ask for information in Allentown, > NH and then ask the chick on the other end of the line to please look > up Charles Wilcox at 238 Deerfield Rd #1. Then I could relay what she > told me to you (either on, or off List.) But I think I'll just let you > puzzle this one out! > Dave > PS, Send em to school, buy em books and the eat the covers of em--then > they think the SEL is an information service! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Jun 28 21:44:19 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:44:19 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Scotsman Arnie... Message-ID: <000701c57c65$3a36faf0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Seen at the 1000 engine rally last Saterday. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/scotsman.jpg John H. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jun 29 00:30:17 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:30:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Scotsman Arnie... References: <000701c57c65$3a36faf0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <014801c57c7c$69673e90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> That is just the BEST!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:44 PM Subject: [SEL] Scotsman Arnie... > Seen at the 1000 engine rally last Saterday. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/scotsman.jpg > > John H. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jun 29 03:46:20 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:46:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Scotsman Arnie... In-Reply-To: <000701c57c65$3a36faf0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <000701c57c65$3a36faf0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050629064518.0224fa00@mail.alltel.net> At 12:44 AM 6/29/2005, you wrote: >Seen at the 1000 engine rally last Saterday. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/scotsman.jpg > >John H. This sort of thing happens all the time with Arnie on this side of the pond. Do you want some frontal shots? Dave From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Jun 29 04:37:03 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:37:03 +0800 Subject: [SEL] leather working Message-ID: <000901c57c9e$e31c0af0$c59d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Does any one have any knowledge of leather working machines,ie hand operated stitching machine made by Vilh.Pedersen.Hong of Denmark. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jun 29 05:50:30 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 08:50:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Scotsman Arnie... In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050629064518.0224fa00@mail.alltel.net> References: <000701c57c65$3a36faf0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <6.1.2.0.0.20050629064518.0224fa00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <42C29916.1030603@imc-group.com> Dave, How is it that you have frontal shots of Arnie? And WHY the hell would you keep them? Maybe there is more to your road trips than meets the eye.... Curt :-) Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 12:44 AM 6/29/2005, you wrote: > >> Seen at the 1000 engine rally last Saterday. >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/scotsman.jpg >> >> John H. > > > This sort of thing happens all the time with Arnie on this side of the > pond. Do you want some frontal shots? > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jun 29 07:46:50 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 07:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone In-Reply-To: <42C1FCE9.9050505@earthlink.net> References: <00b301c57c1a$32715810$230110ac@PAUL> <6.1.2.0.0.20050628163122.02208c70@mail.alltel.net> <42C1FCE9.9050505@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3702.165.206.180.102.1120056410.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Man, you must have some info locked down. This ain't it, I bet....... (303) 254-5948 Naw, that would be too easy........ Bill > Sir Dave, > > Please use your infinite wisdom to teach us how to find phone numbers so > none will ever have to bother the list again with this. Find mine and > share your wisdom with all of us. No cheating though. You can't pay > anything other than appropriate long distance charges for your search. > > Jeffrey Allen > 6303 Johnson Way > Arvada, CO 80004 > > Find it!! > > Jeff > > Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> At 03:47 PM 6/28/2005, you wrote: >> >>> I am trying to locate or find a telephone number for a: >>> Charles Wilcox >>> 238 Deerfield Rd. #1 >>> Allenstown, NH 03275 >>> Can anyone help me? >>> Thanks, >>> Paul >> >> >> Hi Paul, >> I could call 555.1212 and ask for information in Allentown, >> NH and then ask the chick on the other end of the line to please look >> up Charles Wilcox at 238 Deerfield Rd #1. Then I could relay what she >> told me to you (either on, or off List.) But I think I'll just let you >> puzzle this one out! >> Dave >> PS, Send em to school, buy em books and the eat the covers of em--then >> they think the SEL is an information service! >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Jun 29 16:08:58 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:08:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT, E-bay scam?? Message-ID: <42C32A0A.4000409@earthlink.net> Hi all, Just got something from e-bay (maybe) but it's in German. Don't have a clue what it says. If you speak German and would allow me to forward it, contact me off list. I think it's a new scam, but without being able to read it I don't know. Jeff Allen transteck at earthlink.net From galoway4 at earthlink.net Wed Jun 29 16:30:38 2005 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:30:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Scotsman Arnie... References: <000701c57c65$3a36faf0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <6.1.2.0.0.20050629064518.0224fa00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001801c57d02$90685390$f9dc5a42@jake> Yeah the one wiyh you on your knees ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Scotsman Arnie... > At 12:44 AM 6/29/2005, you wrote: >>Seen at the 1000 engine rally last Saterday. >> >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/scotsman.jpg >> >>John H. > > This sort of thing happens all the time with Arnie on this side of the > pond. Do you want some frontal shots? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Jun 29 16:31:53 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:31:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone In-Reply-To: <3702.165.206.180.102.1120056410.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <00b301c57c1a$32715810$230110ac@PAUL> <6.1.2.0.0.20050628163122.02208c70@mail.alltel.net> <42C1FCE9.9050505@earthlink.net> <3702.165.206.180.102.1120056410.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <42C32F69.2070507@earthlink.net> Hi Bill, That's not it and it's sooooo simple. Took me about 60 seconds. Hint, I have two domains registered. ;-) Jeff bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >Man, you must have some info locked down. >This ain't it, I bet....... > >(303) 254-5948 > >Naw, that would be too easy........ > >Bill > > > From bcl at grandecom.net Wed Jun 29 16:46:17 2005 From: bcl at grandecom.net (LEW BEST) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:46:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT, E-bay scam?? In-Reply-To: <42C32A0A.4000409@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000101c57d04$c0c75fc0$9eedbcd8@OFFICELEW> Just forward it to spoof at ebay.com; they'll let you know. Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 6:09 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] OT, E-bay scam?? Hi all, Just got something from e-bay (maybe) but it's in German. Don't have a clue what it says. If you speak German and would allow me to forward it, contact me off list. I think it's a new scam, but without being able to read it I don't know. Jeff Allen transteck at earthlink.net _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Wed Jun 29 17:31:44 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:31:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone Message-ID: <410-22005643003144531@coastalnet.com> 303-425-9106 > [Original Message] > From: Jeff Allen > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 6/29/2005 8:00:54 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone > > Hi Bill, > > That's not it and it's sooooo simple. Took me about 60 seconds. Hint, I > have two domains registered. ;-) > > Jeff From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Jun 29 18:18:22 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:18:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone In-Reply-To: <410-22005643003144531@coastalnet.com> References: <410-22005643003144531@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <42C3485E.8080208@earthlink.net> You da man Ken. :-) Ken Christison wrote: >303-425-9106 > > > > >>[Original Message] >>From: Jeff Allen >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Date: 6/29/2005 8:00:54 PM >>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone >> >>Hi Bill, >> >>That's not it and it's sooooo simple. Took me about 60 seconds. Hint, I >>have two domains registered. ;-) >> >>Jeff >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed Jun 29 20:33:41 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:33:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Scotsman Arnie... In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050629064518.0224fa00@mail.alltel.net> References: <000701c57c65$3a36faf0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <6.1.2.0.0.20050629064518.0224fa00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <42C36815.9080200@wightman.ca> SNAP! Sorry. That was the sound my mind made at that suggestion! Dunc Dave Rotigel wrote: > This sort of thing happens all the time with Arnie on this side of the > pond. Do you want some frontal shots? > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed Jun 29 20:39:02 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:39:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ya gotta wonder Message-ID: <42C36956.4060802@wightman.ca> I see various adds on Harry's and sometimes the price gets reduced and sometimes I imagine some iron changes hands but I see several ads on there that repeat every month and the price never changes and the engine doesn't sell. Am I missing something here? If the phone ain't ringing, then nobody is buying at that price. I guess it depends on how long you want to hold out for your price. Duncan -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 23:19:15 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 07:19:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT, E-bay scam?? In-Reply-To: <42C32A0A.4000409@earthlink.net> References: <42C32A0A.4000409@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6f602516050629231966dff4c3@mail.gmail.com> On 6/30/05, Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > Just got something from e-bay (maybe) but it's in German. Don't have a > clue what it says. If you speak German and would allow me to forward it, > contact me off list. I think it's a new scam, but without being able to > read it I don't know. > > Jeff Allen As Lew says, send it (verbatim) to spoof at ebay.com. There are many of these going round for ebay and PayPal, lesser numbers for various banks. At least ebay and PayPal have set up channels for folks to send them to, most Banks haven't a clue when it comes to responses to these things. The latest one for PayPal is a spoof telling you that someone has sent you a payment for an item, and that there is a query on the transaction. I don't know how many of these emails get sent out, but we are getting 2 or 3 a week regularly. spoof at paypal.com spoof at ebay.com Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jun 29 17:00:32 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:00:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Scotsman Arnie... In-Reply-To: <42C29916.1030603@imc-group.com> References: <000701c57c65$3a36faf0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <6.1.2.0.0.20050629064518.0224fa00@mail.alltel.net> <42C29916.1030603@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050629195927.03e3df10@mail.alltel.net> Hell Curt, You are the one who took them. I only save what is sent to me! Dave At 08:50 AM 6/29/2005, you wrote: >Dave, >How is it that you have frontal shots of Arnie? And WHY the hell would you >keep them? >Maybe there is more to your road trips than meets the eye.... >Curt :-) > >Dave Rotigel wrote: > >>At 12:44 AM 6/29/2005, you wrote: >> >>>Seen at the 1000 engine rally last Saterday. >>> >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/scotsman.jpg >>> >>>John H. >> >> >>This sort of thing happens all the time with Arnie on this side of the >>pond. Do you want some frontal shots? >> Dave >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 23:51:22 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 07:51:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ya gotta wonder In-Reply-To: <42C36956.4060802@wightman.ca> References: <42C36956.4060802@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <6f60251605062923516941d62a@mail.gmail.com> On 6/30/05, Duncan Denman wrote: > I see various adds on Harry's and sometimes the price gets reduced and > sometimes I imagine some iron changes hands but I see several ads on > there that repeat every month and the price never changes and the engine > doesn't sell. > Am I missing something here? If the phone ain't ringing, then nobody is > buying at that price. I guess it depends on how long you want to hold > out for your price. > > Duncan > I guess that as long as the advert costs nothing, then it's no hardship to keep it there, someone will eventually come along.... You see the same on ebay, except that there is a charge for the listing now, and relistings are not free as they used to be IIRC, so there's less of an incentive to keep putting them back on. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Jun 29 23:56:03 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:56:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. But possibly of interest - Old Technology In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050628180539.026159c8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200506300656.j5U6uJxA079897@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Recently I have been helping to reassemble and restore the clockwork > mechanism that allowed the 60-inch telescope to track an > object in the sky. In the early years it often took several hours to expose the > photographic plates and of course the telescope had to be kept moving > during the exposure to compensate for the rotation of the > earth. Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/60clock/ > to see some pictures of this device which was in use from 1908 - 1968. Hi Larry, That's one heck of a contraption! Will you have it set up to run? Will there be problems getting it running without a big hole for the weight? Rob From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Jun 29 23:59:36 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:59:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Astle Park 1000 Engine Rally/A for Dave R. In-Reply-To: <000701c57c29$f84d5c50$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200506300659.j5U6xwnk081244@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Arnie decided to try some of my brew I brought from > the other side of the water. > The nude in the middle is Neville Beaty. Ugh! You should have known, John, not to give Nev any of that good Dutch beer. I hope he didn't traumatize any impressionable children with his "display." Rob From sixmjohn at quicknet.nl Thu Jun 30 02:48:42 2005 From: sixmjohn at quicknet.nl (John H.) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:48:42 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Astle Park 1000 Engine Rally/A for Dave R. References: <200506300659.j5U6xwnk081244@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001b01c57d58$ea3e1b60$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Rob, looking around there in the UK and also in Holland, the "children" of today are acting like adults and showing almost more naked skin then my mother could cover me in my young days. Nev always behave himself when my wife is around :o) John H. > > Arnie decided to try some of my brew I brought from > > the other side of the water. > > The nude in the middle is Neville Beaty. > > Ugh! You should have known, John, not to give Nev any of that good Dutch beer. > I hope he didn't traumatize any impressionable children with his "display." > > Rob From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 29 16:28:35 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] O.T. But possibly of interest - Old Technology In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050628180539.026159c8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050629232835.61534.qmail@web31306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Really nice work there, Larry. The assembled clock sure looks better than the pile of it's parts. 8>)) I showed the parts pictures to my wife & daughter. They agreed it looked like a pile of junk. Then a look at the assembled clock got a response of, "Cool,,,,." 8>))))) Is the deep pit still there to run it? Will it be set up so it can be run or will it just be there as a static display? IMHO it would be a LOT more memorable if the public saw it running. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- Larry Evans wrote: > As a lot of you know I get involved in various projects at the Mt. Wilson > Observatory. > > Recently I have been helping to reassemble and restore the clockwork > mechanism that allowed the 60-inch telescope to track an object in the > sky. In the early years it often took several hours to expose the > photographic plates and of course the telescope had to be kept moving > during the exposure to compensate for the rotation of the earth. Take a > look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/60clock/ > to see some pictures of this device which was in use from 1908 - 1968. > > Regards, > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From lfevans at pacbell.net Thu Jun 30 07:53:05 2005 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 07:53:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. But possibly of interest - Old Technology In-Reply-To: <20050629232835.61534.qmail@web31306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050628180539.026159c8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> <20050629232835.61534.qmail@web31306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050630074518.02843aa8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Alan, The pit is still there but not in a good location for public display. However, we can run the cable to an overhead pulley and have the weight drop from there to the floor. Might make a better display that way since more of the action would be visible and the rewind would occur much more often. Regards, Larry At 04:28 PM 6/29/2005, you wrote: >Really nice work there, Larry. > >The assembled clock sure looks better than the pile of it's parts. 8>)) >I showed the parts pictures to my wife & daughter. They agreed it looked >like a pile of junk. >Then a look at the assembled clock got a response of, "Cool,,,,." 8>))))) > >Is the deep pit still there to run it? >Will it be set up so it can be run or will it just be there as a static >display? >IMHO it would be a LOT more memorable if the public saw it running. > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From marvhed at ecenet.com Wed Jun 1 04:46:20 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 06:46:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] engine ID wanted- identified, Standard seperator In-Reply-To: <002e01c56627$a6a695a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: 6667 <20050531140157.28869.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> <44151.199.62.0.252.1117551076.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> <002e01c56627$a6a695a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <21118.199.62.0.252.1117626380.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> that's what i was thinkin' i'll bet it wouldn't take you long to have the engine running that's missing some parts. we have models that are larger. i've got too many things going on to get to it now but just wait untill the frost comes :-)) thanks, marv > Weld them up. Easy fabrication. >> >> now if i could only find a base and the seperator--- >> >> thanks, marv > From oldengin at udata.com Wed Jun 1 06:07:56 2005 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:07:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engin cart OT sorta kinda maybe? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050530110739.04655958@mail.alltel.net> References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> <003001c56519$9db94640$a65bef18@pengy> <6.1.2.0.0.20050530110739.04655958@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <429DB32C.9050103@udata.com> Gday Well you fill in the missing word (s) "That sure is a __________ idea" What I need is info or ideas on an engin cart that you can load on a trailer, and set different engins on for different shows. No I do not worry about weather the cart is correct for the engin, but just for the ease of loading and a real need to unload. This cart will need to hold the engin while at the show and must keep it from falling onto the ground and help me in my lazy mood of transport. Is this realistic? thanks -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Jun 1 06:59:41 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 07:59:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engin cart OT sorta kinda maybe? References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> <003001c56519$9db94640$a65bef18@pengy><6.1.2.0.0.20050530110739.04655958@mail.alltel.net> <429DB32C.9050103@udata.com> Message-ID: Here's the simple cart that I built for Eco..should have made it a little longer tho. http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/76454733CQwoUr Good Luck RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:07 AM Subject: [SEL] Engin cart OT sorta kinda maybe? > Gday > Well you fill in the missing word (s) "That sure is a __________ > idea" > What I need is info or ideas on an engin cart that you can load on a > trailer, and set different engins on for different shows. No I do not > worry about weather the cart is correct for the engin, but just for the > ease of loading and a real need to unload. This cart will need to hold > the engin while at the show and must keep it from falling onto the > ground and help me in my lazy mood of transport. Is this realistic? > thanks > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Jun 1 07:13:11 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:13:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] oil fields in W. Virginia Message-ID: For the gentleman who was interested in getting an oilfield engine, the guy goes by the name of oldenginenut and his email is schoolc at wirefire.com Good Luck RickinMt. From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Jun 1 07:44:30 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 07:44:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engin cart OT sorta kinda maybe? Message-ID: <20050601.074430.39.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> That is a good idea Leroy. Rolling is a lot easier than lifting. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:07:56 -0400 "Leroy C." writes: > Gday > Well you fill in the missing word (s) "That sure is a > __________ > idea" > What I need is info or ideas on an engin cart that you can load on a > > trailer, and set different engins on for different shows. No I do > not > worry about weather the cart is correct for the engin, but just for > the > ease of loading and a real need to unload. This cart will need to > hold > the engin while at the show and must keep it from falling onto the > ground and help me in my lazy mood of transport. Is this realistic? > thanks > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From wmrohrer at myactv.net Wed Jun 1 12:35:18 2005 From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:35:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Belting question? Message-ID: <200506011935.j51JZMC8068173@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> What is the calculation to figure the length of flat belting rolled up? Thanks Mike Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, Maryland USA Collector of Antique Farm Literature Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ From shop at cccomm.net Wed Jun 1 12:38:53 2005 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 12:38:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine cart Model T References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> <003001c56519$9db94640$a65bef18@pengy><6.1.2.0.0.20050530110739.04655958@mail.alltel.net><429DB32C.9050103@udata.com> Message-ID: <025501c566e1$8b263960$6401a8c0@Shop> This one will hold my Novo and pump without any problems. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31729261&f= From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Jun 1 15:33:44 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:33:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Belting question? In-Reply-To: <200506011935.j51JZMC8068173@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200506012233.j51MXmLL008910@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Mike ,Try 3.14x dia. of each coil. Add up the sum of each calculation. You should come pretty close. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Rohrer Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:35 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list'; 'Steam-engine mailing list' Subject: [SEL] Belting question? What is the calculation to figure the length of flat belting rolled up? Thanks Mike Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, Maryland USA Collector of Antique Farm Literature Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Jun 1 16:24:12 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:24:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Belting question? In-Reply-To: <200506012233.j51MXmLL008910@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200506012324.j51NOGNg020543@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Mike ,Adding the sum of the Dia's and multiplying the total by 3.14 also works. Jimmy O' Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 3:34 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] Belting question? Mike ,Try 3.14x dia. of each coil. Add up the sum of each calculation. You should come pretty close. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Rohrer Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:35 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list'; 'Steam-engine mailing list' Subject: [SEL] Belting question? What is the calculation to figure the length of flat belting rolled up? Thanks Mike Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, Maryland USA Collector of Antique Farm Literature Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 1 16:25:55 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Belting question? In-Reply-To: <200506011935.j51JZMC8068173@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <20050601232556.40555.qmail@web31309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Mike, I will take a stab at yer question. Measure the diameter of the smallest inside layer and the largest outside layer. Add the two measurements to gether then divide by 2. That gives you an average diameter. Now, Take that average diameter and multiply it by the number of layers on one side of center. Take that number and multiply it by 22 and divide it by 7. That will give you a total length. If yer calculater has a PI key you can just use that for the last step. HTH, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- Mike Rohrer wrote: > What is the calculation to figure the length of flat belting rolled up? > > Thanks > > Mike > > Mike Rohrer > > Smithsburg, Maryland USA > > Collector of Antique Farm Literature > > Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ > > If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! > > Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Jun 1 16:34:59 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:34:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Belting question? In-Reply-To: <200506011935.j51JZMC8068173@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200506012335.j51NZ2B7023954@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > What is the calculation to figure the length of flat belting > rolled up? go here: http://engines.rustyiron.com/rig/belting.html From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jun 1 16:41:08 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:41:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Belting question? In-Reply-To: <200506012233.j51MXmLL008910@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200506011935.j51JZMC8068173@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <200506012233.j51MXmLL008910@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050601193546.0d3be4e8@mail.alltel.net> Twice as long as half will also give you a good idea of the belts length. Additionally you could tell the owner of the belt that you would give him a dollar if he told you the length of the belt. As a last resort you could lay the belt out on the ground and measure it. If you then would multiply your finding by 2 you would have a pretty good idea of the total length! Dave At 06:33 PM 6/1/2005, you wrote: >Mike ,Try 3.14x dia. of each coil. Add up the sum of each calculation. You >should come pretty close. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan > >Jim O'Hagan >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Rohrer >Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:35 PM >To: 'The SEL email discussion list'; 'Steam-engine mailing list' >Subject: [SEL] Belting question? > >What is the calculation to figure the length of flat belting rolled up? > >Thanks > >Mike From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Jun 1 20:00:46 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 23:00:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engin cart OT sorta kinda maybe? Message-ID: <20050601.230051.792.15.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Leroy, Good idea - - - Just make a flat bed truck with holes drilled to fit each engine you want to haul. Of course, make the truck large enough to haul your largest engine. I have a little platform with wheels and several holes & slots to fit most any SMALL engine. I got it from a guy that worked in a Briggs shop. Makes it easier to stabilize a SMALL engine when working on it. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Jun 1 19:56:43 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 22:56:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Belting question? Message-ID: <20050601.230051.792.14.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Mike, I don't think there is a calculation for that. Being from the carpet industry - We used to use a thing that looked like a chauk line with an extension on the front with the line coming out the extension. You would stick it into the center roll and move it toward the outside wraps with the string coming out as you go. When you reached the outside flap, you pulled the string out of the roll and measured it. Primative - but - worked. On second thought - http://engines.rustyiron.com/rig/belting.html - Well - I'll be. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jun 2 05:17:48 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 05:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] associated engine question - the little ones....... In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050601193546.0d3be4e8@mail.alltel.net> References: <200506011935.j51JZMC8068173@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <200506012233.j51MXmLL008910@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050601193546.0d3be4e8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4615.165.206.180.144.1117714668.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Please see the phollowing photos and then I have these questions: A. Was this a dedicated washing machine engine? B. It's missing the exhaust fitting - can these be found? I believe it's a flange with a male pipe nipple, correct? C. Is there anything else missing? It's got the leather strap with D-ring handle intact - seems there must be a clutch that's not working as it simply turns freely - some panther piss should solve that. http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-09.jpg http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-010.jpg http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-011.jpg Thanks a metric tonne. Bill Runnells, IA From glenn.karch at gte.net Thu Jun 2 06:10:17 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 08:10:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Measuring cylinder taper Message-ID: <003401c56774$70a8b8e0$adfd123f@oemcomputer> Hi gang, I was helping Keith Kinney determine the cylinder taper on his Reid engine. We found a unique way of doing it. First you put a piston ring just into the bottom end of the cylinder and with feeler gauges, measure the ring gap. Then you slide the ring in a ways and measure the ring gap again. Slide the ring in farther and measure again. Devide the increase in the ring gap from the first one by pi (3.14) and you have the taper. Anybody else ever tried that? We then used an inside mike and obtained very similar results. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 2 06:42:51 2005 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 13:42:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Engin cart OT sorta kinda maybe? In-Reply-To: <429DB32C.9050103@udata.com> Message-ID: Howdy Leroy, They say warped minds think alike but in this case I dont know if it is good or bad. Dad had the same idea last year prior to show season. He has several different engines on wooden skids and all were a pain to load and take to shows for the same reason. He devised a cart to do what I think you are describing. It is a wood cart with a flat solid top with a slot in the middle. Any of the engines can be placed on top. Then he uses a short wood cross brace and a couple carriage bolts with wing nuts to hold it in place. Any engine with a skid can fit and be clamped down. There is a picture of it with a couple handsome dudes in the background on Lukes Portland page here. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-25.jpg There are a couple more partial photos down further on the page too. It is not perfect but it works. You still gotta lift it off the ground to put it on the cart but after that it moves around real good. If you need more pictures let me know. Ed Herreid Trevor Wisconsin ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Leroy C." Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Engin cart OT sorta kinda maybe? Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:07:56 -0400 Gday Well you fill in the missing word (s) "That sure is a __________ idea" What I need is info or ideas on an engin cart that you can load on a trailer, and set different engins on for different shows. No I do not worry about weather the cart is correct for the engin, but just for the ease of loading and a real need to unload. This cart will need to hold the engin while at the show and must keep it from falling onto the ground and help me in my lazy mood of transport. Is this realistic? thanks -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Jun 2 08:00:48 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 17:00:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] LPG valve 6hp M. Message-ID: <000701c56783$e05f5d10$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi All, Posted it already on Smokstak and since there is no traffic on the list I thought I will bring some life in the brewery :o) Did some playing with LPG gas lately to run my 6 hp M and found out she runs fine on it. When the engine was running on kerosene, I closed the needle valve and the damper plate and put the gas hose through the damper plate hole and she runs on LPG and got it down to 140 rpm. Today I made a new damper plate and soldered a lunkenheimer angle drip valve on it and had the possibility to adjust the gas flow. It works great that way, slowly turning the needle valve I could make 80 rpm. Like it much so will use it at shows once in a while I think. Images can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/lpgvalve.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jun 2 14:55:21 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:55:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] test...is it working, Dave? Message-ID: From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Jun 2 17:13:31 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 20:13:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: I've Still Got the Answering Machine Blues! Message-ID: <8d9390c40ad250093128754dfa8fa1d3@chartertn.net> I got tired of my 3 year old answering machine message, and just recorded a new one: http://guitarchat.net/modules/Media_player/Ricochet/ AnsweringMachineBluesNo2.mp3 Also at: http://oldengine.org/members/culp/AnsweringMachineBluesNo2.mp3 Obviously it's derivative of the good old Willie Dixon/Muddy Waters classic "I Just Wanna Make Love To You." Think I'll do a full length version of that soon. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu Jun 2 08:52:23 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:52:23 +0100 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Lamport Show] Message-ID: <429F2B37.E3E50D34@insulate.co.uk> For some reason, this didn't show up from this morning ... -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Jun 3 03:38:33 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 11:38:33 +0100 Subject: [SEL] test please ignore Message-ID: <003b01c56828$655e5a30$fa4c1152@no1> Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From BillMil357 at aol.com Fri Jun 3 18:40:17 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 21:40:17 EDT Subject: [SEL] Siam Show, Message-ID: Hey Men, Don't forget the SIAM Show at Evansville, Indiana June 10-11-12th, that's next weekend, it sure slipped up on me, see some of you there. Thanks, Bill Miller. Memphis, TN. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Jun 3 19:00:00 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 12:00:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <20050604015944.XYXP7650.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Is it working yet Dave? 12pm 4.6.05 Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Jun 4 06:00:19 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 23:00:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally Message-ID: <20050604130002.IWBD29926.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Who, from our illustrious membership, is heading to the Manilla rally next weekend? I am planning on going (work permitting) but I am having trouble deciding what to take :( Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From rexhinz at chorus.net Sat Jun 4 09:18:02 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 11:18:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy up and running Message-ID: <001301c56920$fec1a260$4086a5d8@mycomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:21 PM Subject: Economy up and running > Hi all; > > Finally got the 2-1/2 HP Economy running ! Wow what satisfaction , no > wounder all you collectors love the engines , I had to tug at my brain to > get the mag trip figered out but after three days of brain cramps I found > the trip rod was worn down enough that the engine would not start in the > advanced start position , you all know what I'm saying Right? anyway see the > engine pics at this link > http://client.webshots.com/photo/358308388/358331331fEWAjk > > Thanks > Rex > From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Jun 4 14:33:39 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 15:33:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Opinions welcome Message-ID: <42A21E33.1020603@earthlink.net> Hi all, Planned on some fishing today, but don't care to do it in a snow storm. Heavy rain this morning here, and snow in the high country. Decided to make some use of my indoor time and worked on the photo gallery. Thanks to the generosity of Nick Lozzi, I have a pretty good selection of Fuller and Johnson photos online with links to his site for more information. It is the go to site for Fuller and Johnson engines. I did change the format and would love opinions on the change. I am finding many that have sites specific to one type of engine. One by one I will be contacting you for permission. For now that is how I will be doing it, and I figure I have several months work with no submissions. Feel free to send me your site if you wish, and I will bookmark it for future work. This project has led me to some fantastic sites. Many of you have put a lot of work into them. My goal now is to snag a few pictures and link back to the hard work you have done. Down the road a piece I'll be more than happy to take submissions of individual engines you own. One step at a time. On record now, I am totally insane. No sane person would continue with this beating, yet I carry on. The sun is out now, and I'm outa here. Later, Jeff Allen http://oldirongallery.com/ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Jun 4 19:48:25 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 19:48:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Show Message-ID: <200506050248.j552mUip050266@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Here are some pictures from a show today. http://wapa.us/shows/sonorahigh05 From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Jun 4 22:08:01 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 22:08:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Allen Sherman auction Message-ID: <200506050508.j555830J088142@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi, Anyone going to go to the Nixon Auction In Washington in July? Jim O'Hagan From dscott at kooee.com.au Sun Jun 5 00:29:51 2005 From: dscott at kooee.com.au (dscott at kooee.com.au) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:29:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <004501c569a0$644981f0$0b01a8c0@de384b0d0c5cc4> From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jun 5 10:19:28 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 13:19:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SIAM Show - Evansville, IN Message-ID: <1117991968.42a33420157e5@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, Dave Rotigle and I are going to the SIAM Show next weekend. I was wondering how many list folks were planning on attending? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From transteck at mac.com Sun Jun 5 15:10:23 2005 From: transteck at mac.com (Jeffrey Allen) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:10:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Show In-Reply-To: <200506050248.j552mUip050266@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200506050248.j552mUip050266@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <42A3784F.70300@mac.com> Hi Rob, As always great pictures. Share with us how you set up your photos the way you do. I love it. Jeff Allen Rob Skinner wrote: >Here are some pictures from a show today. > >http://wapa.us/shows/sonorahigh05 > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Jun 5 15:20:42 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 23:20:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] associated engine question - the little ones....... References: <200506011935.j51JZMC8068173@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><200506012233.j51MXmLL008910@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050601193546.0d3be4e8@mail.alltel.net> <4615.165.206.180.144.1117714668.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <003401c56a1c$d0c18860$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: [SEL] associated engine question - the little ones....... > Please see the phollowing photos and then I have these questions: > A. Was this a dedicated washing machine engine? > B. It's missing the exhaust fitting - can these be found? I believe it's a > flange with a male pipe nipple, correct? > C. Is there anything else missing? It's got the leather strap with D-ring > handle intact - seems there must be a clutch that's not working as it > simply turns freely - some panther piss should solve that. > http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-09.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-010.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-011.jpg > Thanks a metric tonne. > Bill > Runnells, IA If you cannot see the first picture try http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-009.jpg (It must have been a Metric 0) 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rexhinz at chorus.net Sun Jun 5 15:24:28 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:24:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy up and running References: <000d01c567d1$a51a09a0$1886a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <000d01c56a1d$5708af70$1b86a5d8@mycomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "Rex Hinz" Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:17 PM Subject: : Economy up and running > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rex Hinz" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:21 PM > Subject: Economy up and running > > > > Hi all; > > > > Finally got the 2-1/2 HP Economy running ! Wow what satisfaction , no > > wounder all you collectors love the engines , I had to tug at my brain to > > get the mag trip figered out but after three days of brain cramps I found > > the trip rod was worn down enough that the engine would not start in the > > advanced start position , you all know what I'm saying Right? anyway see > the > > engine pics at this link > > http://client.webshots.com/photo/358308388/358331331fEWAjk > > > > Thanks > > Rex > > > > > From yostsw at atis.net Sun Jun 5 15:37:44 2005 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 18:37:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] List outage Message-ID: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> Many apologies to ATIS users. The recent outage was of a spotty, on-again/off-again nature and was the result of many issues, culminating in my needing a new cable run across my property. A temporary cable was stretched across the ground and ATIS was back up about 4:00 pm this afternoon. Everything is running better now than it has in a week. By the way, If anyone wonders why I pay extra for "business class" cable Internet access and have always recommended that no one run servers on a home based cable service, my experience this weekend should give you a case in point. During my problems, I had a truck here everyday, including the weekend, with a technician inside from the cable company. Always within 20 minutes of my "it's down again" call. If this was a home Internet access package, I would have some broken down sub contractor with grubby tools, prison tattoos, and no skills within maybe 3 days. How do I know? Because the latter shows up for problems with my TV and used to show up for my Internet problems before I got business class. The former shows up now. Thanks for your patience, PS: Part of the outage was because during these periods of declining service levels caused by the cable, I took the opportunity to shut down the mail software and accelerate some plans for ATIS upgrades, including security changes that include SIGNIFICANT changes to way ATIS's servers send and receive email. As usual, you can be proud that ATIS is adopting significant technologies well ahead of virtually everyone else. Some of these changes started last weekend during a short outage and the rest took place yesterday and today. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From todengine at zoominternet.net Sun Jun 5 15:54:33 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 18:54:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? References: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <02b901c56a21$8a3ce9c0$a65bef18@pengy> Who runs the ATIS Chairty Auctions? I was wondering if it would be possible to run a special charity auction to help raise some of the money to move the last few pieces of the Tod Engine from the mill. I estimate it will cost about $12,000 for the cranes and hauling, and I am hopeful to obtain a grant for a portion of that, but would need to raise the rest. This is really the last major hurdle to overcome in the restoration of the Tod Engine. We saved the old girl, purchased the land for the museum, moved 120 tons worth of parts last year and once these last parts, the 48 ton HP bedplate, 40 ton LP cylinder, 65 ton crankshaft and 8 ton HP cylinder, are moved to our site full scale reassembly of the engine can begin. I have several items that I could contribute to the chairty auction, and if a few other list members could contribute that would be great. The engine is related to steelmaking as well and I have several steel industry related items that my steel entuisuast friends would bid on as well. So who runs the chairt auctions and would this be a good enough reason to run a special auction? Thanks Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sun Jun 5 20:50:34 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:50:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] List outage In-Reply-To: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050605205011.01a809b0@mail.pennswoods.net> Thank you Spencer R Fink At 03:37 PM 6/5/2005, you wrote: >Many apologies to ATIS users. The recent outage was of a spotty, >on-again/off-again nature and was the result of many issues, culminating in >my needing a new cable run across my property. A temporary cable was >stretched across the ground and ATIS was back up about 4:00 pm this >afternoon. Everything is running better now than it has in a week. > >By the way, If anyone wonders why I pay extra for "business class" cable >Internet access and have always recommended that no one run servers on a >home based cable service, my experience this weekend should give you a case >in point. During my problems, I had a truck here everyday, including the >weekend, with a technician inside from the cable company. Always within 20 >minutes of my "it's down again" call. If this was a home Internet access >package, I would have some broken down sub contractor with grubby tools, >prison tattoos, and no skills within maybe 3 days. How do I know? >Because the latter shows up for problems with my TV and used to show up for >my Internet problems before I got business class. The former shows up >now. > >Thanks for your patience, > >PS: Part of the outage was because during these periods of declining >service levels caused by the cable, I took the opportunity to shut down the >mail software and accelerate some plans for ATIS upgrades, including >security changes that include SIGNIFICANT changes to way ATIS's servers >send and receive email. As usual, you can be proud that ATIS is adopting >significant technologies well ahead of virtually everyone else. Some of >these changes started last weekend during a short outage and the rest took >place yesterday and today. > >Spencer Yost >Owner, ATIS >Plow the Net! >http://www.atis.net > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Sun Jun 5 18:34:58 2005 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 21:34:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally Message-ID: <76B6A97B.7D361549.04B7CB00@aol.com> Patrick Ron & Joy Pearce are going but I still have my hand in plaster so won't be there. Enjoy From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Sun Jun 5 18:59:18 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:59:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally References: 29074754 Message-ID: <001601c56a3b$59bf4850$0301a8c0@Cam> Sook, can't you come and let us help you. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Manilla Rally > Patrick > Ron & Joy Pearce are going but I still have my hand in plaster so won't be > there. Enjoy > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Sun Jun 5 20:28:57 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 22:28:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] associated engine question - the little ones....... In-Reply-To: <003401c56a1c$d0c18860$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <200506060329.j563T0Dk034184@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Yes, Dave is correct, should be > http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-009.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-010.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-011.jpg Thanks. I've got pics of Sandwich trucks I'll post later to verify that as well, maybe I'll do better with accurate links. Anyway, anyone know about the above associated? Bill Runnells -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 5:21 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] associated engine question - the little ones....... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: [SEL] associated engine question - the little ones....... > Please see the phollowing photos and then I have these questions: > A. Was this a dedicated washing machine engine? > B. It's missing the exhaust fitting - can these be found? I believe it's a > flange with a male pipe nipple, correct? > C. Is there anything else missing? It's got the leather strap with D-ring > handle intact - seems there must be a clutch that's not working as it > simply turns freely - some panther piss should solve that. > http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-09.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-010.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-011.jpg > Thanks a metric tonne. > Bill > Runnells, IA If you cannot see the first picture try http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-009.jpg (It must have been a Metric 0) 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Jun 5 21:48:21 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:48:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Manilla Rally In-Reply-To: <20050604130002.IWBD29926.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <20050606044801.TRZG21093.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> It looks like there will be a good turn out of list members. I have loaded up my 2nd biggest Buzacott (the 5.5hp) and brought it home for a good clean up before heading north to Manilla :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Who, from our illustrious membership, is heading to the Manilla rally next weekend? I am planning on going (work permitting) but I am having trouble deciding what to take :( Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jun 6 00:07:35 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:07:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] associated engine question - the little ones....... References: <200506060329.j563T0Dk034184@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <017901c56a68$2732c970$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Seeing those pics, only a mother could love it!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:28 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] associated engine question - the little ones....... > Yes, Dave is correct, should be > >> http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-009.jpg >> http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-010.jpg >> http://antique-engines.com/images/assoc-011.jpg From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Jun 6 00:55:35 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:55:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Show References: 28767020 Message-ID: <003c01c56a6d$1f7f40a0$0301a8c0@Cam> Nice lot of photo's Rob. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 12:48 PM Subject: [SEL] Show > Here are some pictures from a show today. > > http://wapa.us/shows/sonorahigh05 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jun 6 01:42:29 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:42:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: I've Still Got the Answering Machine Blues! References: <8d9390c40ad250093128754dfa8fa1d3@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <023c01c56a76$484e66b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Hi John. I just opened the 'song' After a lot of thought for your feelings, I can only say. "Dont give up your day job" VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 10:13 AM Subject: [SEL] OT: I've Still Got the Answering Machine Blues! >I got tired of my 3 year old answering machine message, and just recorded >a new one: http://guitarchat.net/modules/Media_player/Ricochet/ >AnsweringMachineBluesNo2.mp3 > > Also at: http://oldengine.org/members/culp/AnsweringMachineBluesNo2.mp3 > > Obviously it's derivative of the good old Willie Dixon/Muddy Waters > classic "I Just Wanna Make Love To You." Think I'll do a full length > version of that soon. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Mon Jun 6 02:53:23 2005 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 05:53:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally Message-ID: <229F6AF9.60C61F26.04B7CB00@aol.com> too bloody cold From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Jun 6 05:39:32 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:39:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally References: 29482508 Message-ID: <004d01c56a94$ca0f94d0$0301a8c0@Cam> sook sook. See you at Macksville. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Manilla Rally > too bloody cold > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Mon Jun 6 06:03:40 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 09:03:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Amish restraint laws? Message-ID: <00fc01c56a98$2969cce0$165c14d0@net.telenet.net> Question for any/all folks in areas with large Amish communities. Does anyone else have laws forbidding them to do construction or remodeling work in their areas/towns. One of the local townships (Canajoharie NY) seems to have a BIG problem with them. They passed new code laws that Specify that NO Amish building/construction or labor may be used in the township because they use "Inferior building materials and methods of construction" and because they "do not carry insurance for liability" The amazing thing is that insurance is NOT required for anyone else either. There are a LOT of outfits that do work in the town that don't carry insurance. The other item is a real joke. The barns and houses they built before this new code were all post and beam construction with fitted tenon and pin joints just like the 150+ year old barn I have here. And made out of full rough cut lumber just like it has as well. I'm thinking that the REAL reason behind it is simply MONEY. The Amish built and entire 9 room log home with an attached garage for a person in the town and did it for WELL under 30,000 dollars. And they had it built from the ground up in less than 2 months. Kind of showed up the local big shot construction outfits so I think they started spreading a bunch of lies. Anyone else have this kind of situation? Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York From falcon at telenet.net Mon Jun 6 06:09:44 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 09:09:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Measuring cylinder taper References: <003401c56774$70a8b8e0$adfd123f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <011901c56a99$02244880$165c14d0@net.telenet.net> Yep. The only thing I do different is using the piston to push the ring through the bore so the ring stays square, and measuring every 1/2" Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn A Karch" To: Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:10 AM Subject: [SEL] Measuring cylinder taper > Hi gang, > > I was helping Keith Kinney determine the cylinder taper on his Reid engine. > We found a unique way of doing it. First you put a piston ring just into > the bottom end of the cylinder and with feeler gauges, measure the ring gap. > Then you slide the ring in a ways and measure the ring gap again. Slide the > ring in farther and measure again. Devide the increase in the ring gap from > the first one by pi (3.14) and you have the taper. Anybody else ever tried > that? We then used an inside mike and obtained very similar results. > > Glenn > > Glenn Karch > Haubstadt, IN, USA > Hercules Historian > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mtucker at uky.edu Mon Jun 6 06:06:02 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 09:06:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SIAM Show - Evansville, IN In-Reply-To: <1117991968.42a33420157e5@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1117991968.42a33420157e5@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: >Dave Rotigle and I are going to the SIAM Show next weekend. I was >wondering how >many list folks were planning on attending? Lincoln and I will definitely be there with the Foos and MacCleod. Susan is thinking about it but she may need a little friendly encouragement from some of you folks! See ya', Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jun 6 06:23:12 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 06:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Amish restraint laws? In-Reply-To: <00fc01c56a98$2969cce0$165c14d0@net.telenet.net> References: <00fc01c56a98$2969cce0$165c14d0@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <1656.165.206.180.102.1118064192.squirrel@antique-engines.com> That's a bunch of crap. Ask anyone around Kalona, Iowa. Although they don't profess to have "pride" as such, they are very mindful of the quality of their work. In other words, they care, and anything they make, I'd be happy to own as being of good quality. How many Amish-built homes and barns from 100 years ago are still around today? How many "Rape and Pillage Construction Company, Inc." built homes built 50 years ago are around today? It's a matter of money. The Amish will do it cheaper and better and they know it! Bill > Question for any/all folks in areas with large Amish communities. > Does anyone else have laws forbidding them to do construction or > remodeling work in their areas/towns. > One of the local townships (Canajoharie NY) seems to have a BIG problem > with them. They passed new code laws that Specify that NO Amish > building/construction or labor may be used in the township because they > use "Inferior building materials and methods of construction" and > because they "do not carry insurance for liability" The amazing thing is > that insurance is NOT required for anyone else either. There are a LOT > of outfits that do work in the town that don't carry insurance. The > other item is a real joke. The barns and houses they built before this > new code were all post and beam construction with fitted tenon and pin > joints just like the 150+ year old barn I have here. And made out of > full rough cut lumber just like it has as well. I'm thinking that the > REAL reason behind it is simply MONEY. The Amish built and entire 9 room > log home with an attached garage for a person in the town and did it for > WELL under 30,000 dollars. And they had it built from the ground up in > less than 2 months. Kind of showed up the local big shot construction > outfits so I think they started spreading a bunch of lies. > > Anyone else have this kind of situation? > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown, New York > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jun 6 08:25:47 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] SIAM Show - Evansville, IN In-Reply-To: References: <1117991968.42a33420157e5@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Cripes Mike, A weekend of hugs & kisses? How much MORE encouragement does Susan need???? 8->> See ya, Arnie On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Michael Tucker wrote: > Lincoln and I will definitely be there with the Foos and MacCleod. > Susan is thinking about it but she may need a little friendly > encouragement from some of you folks! From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Jun 6 08:25:11 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:25:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Amish restraint laws? Message-ID: <20050606.112631.208.5.jlb94@juno.com> Can't say I have the situation. But, I've always had a deep admiration for the Amish. This is nothing more than 21st Century Asshole thinking. $$$$$$$$$$$$ is the issue. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Jun 6 08:44:53 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:44:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals Message-ID: <20050606.114456.208.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, Does anyone have any idea where I might be able to obtain oversized axle seals for my truck ? 1972 Ford - F-250 4x4. The seal surfaces don't seem to be worn any more than normal - and - don't seem so bad they should leak but stock seals just don't do the job. It's a problem I've had for years and I'm getting quite tired of always trying to find a level area to park in and always cleaning my brakes before going to shows. Lately I've been applying grease to the seal surfaces before installing the drums. It seems to help some but not a cure. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jun 6 09:13:36 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 12:13:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals In-Reply-To: <20050606.114456.208.6.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050606.114456.208.6.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <42A47630.4090608@imc-group.com> Joe, Do you have a Dixie Bearings (Applied Ind. Tec) in your town? I believe there is a Redi-Sleeve product made to address this problem on your truck. It's a thin sleeve that goes over the axle shafts and a new seal. Part of the sleeve breaks off after installation. Anyway it is a kit designed to address the problem you are having. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Joseph L Betz wrote: >Hi List, > >Does anyone have any idea where I might be able to obtain >oversized axle seals for my truck ? > >1972 Ford - F-250 4x4. > >The seal surfaces don't seem to be worn any more than normal - and - >don't seem >so bad they should leak but stock seals just don't do the job. > >It's a problem I've had for years and I'm getting quite tired of always >trying to find a level area to park in and always cleaning my brakes >before >going to shows. > >Lately I've been applying grease to the seal surfaces before installing >the drums. >It seems to help some but not a cure. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 09:15:45 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:15:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals In-Reply-To: <20050606.114456.208.6.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050606.114456.208.6.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160506060915352eb1f8@mail.gmail.com> On 6/6/05, Joseph L Betz wrote: > Hi List, > > Does anyone have any idea where I might be able to obtain > oversized axle seals for my truck ? > > 1972 Ford - F-250 4x4. > > The seal surfaces don't seem to be worn any more than normal - and - > don't seem > so bad they should leak but stock seals just don't do the job. > > It's a problem I've had for years and I'm getting quite tired of always > trying to find a level area to park in and always cleaning my brakes > before > going to shows. > > Lately I've been applying grease to the seal surfaces before installing > the drums. > It seems to help some but not a cure. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Joe: Have you tried a different type of seal? Years ago we changed from plastic lip seals to an older leather spring-loaded type which gave better duty on a truck axle. Second-source parts places can often give you a dimensionally similar seal with better performance. Moving the seal a 1/16" in or out can allow the lip to run on a fresh area on the axle tube, that can also improve seal oil retention. We did this on some Scania rear main seals that wore a groove in the crank end, and a new seal just sat in the same groove, so a move helped to find a new wearing surface. Last thing: Putting a new seal face in the form of a sleeve onto the axle tube can help, especially if it is a thin sleeve held on with loctite so you can get it off again if necessary. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jun 6 09:40:37 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 09:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals In-Reply-To: <20050606.114456.208.6.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050606.114456.208.6.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <2030.165.206.180.102.1118076037.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Hey, Joe - how's the vent on that axle? If it's plugged, even good seals might leak. Can you put a new seal over the axle and see how snug it fits? Doe these seals have the wire spring in them pushing the seal lip against the axle? This may be stupid, and don't take me wrong 'cuz I know you ain't dumb, but is it possible that your case is a bit too full? Bill > Hi List, > > Does anyone have any idea where I might be able to obtain > oversized axle seals for my truck ? > > 1972 Ford - F-250 4x4. > > The seal surfaces don't seem to be worn any more than normal - and - > don't seem > so bad they should leak but stock seals just don't do the job. > > It's a problem I've had for years and I'm getting quite tired of always > trying to find a level area to park in and always cleaning my brakes > before > going to shows. > > Lately I've been applying grease to the seal surfaces before installing > the drums. > It seems to help some but not a cure. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nick at holden1.net Mon Jun 6 10:09:59 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:09:59 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] test References: <004501c569a0$644981f0$0b01a8c0@de384b0d0c5cc4> Message-ID: <42A48367.000001.04092@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> its ok now Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: dscott at kooee.com.au Date: 06/05/05 21:45:21 To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] test _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nick at holden1.net Mon Jun 6 11:49:45 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 19:49:45 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals References: <42A47630.4090608@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42A49AC9.000005.04092@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Joe i have used the seals Curt is talking about in all sizes up to using them on a cat D8 crank shaft and they can be very good but you also need to clean the shaft with emery paper ore i have found to my cost that they will always leek nick Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: Curt Date: 06/06/05 17:35:48 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals Joe, Do you have a Dixie Bearings (Applied Ind. Tec) in your town? I believe there is a Redi-Sleeve product made to address this problem on your truck. It's a thin sleeve that goes over the axle shafts and a new seal. Part of the sleeve breaks off after installation. Anyway it is a kit designed to address the problem you are having. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Joseph L Betz wrote: >Hi List, > >Does anyone have any idea where I might be able to obtain >oversized axle seals for my truck ? > >1972 Ford - F-250 4x4. > >The seal surfaces don't seem to be worn any more than normal - and - >don't seem >so bad they should leak but stock seals just don't do the job. > >It's a problem I've had for years and I'm getting quite tired of always >trying to find a level area to park in and always cleaning my brakes >before >going to shows. > >Lately I've been applying grease to the seal surfaces before installing >the drums. >It seems to help some but not a cure. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Jun 6 12:14:38 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:14:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals Message-ID: <20050606.121439.120.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Joe. First check to see if the seals are the right ones. I had a '73 Chevy 4x4 that every time I checked the front spindles, they were full of junk. After replacing them several times I checked and the ID was too big. After I put the correct seals in problem solved. Second try a ready selve, or a seal saver. A thin stainless steel selve that resurfaces the inner race and makes it slightly oversize. Good luck. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:44:53 -0400 Joseph L Betz writes: > Hi List, > > Does anyone have any idea where I might be able to obtain > oversized axle seals for my truck ? > > 1972 Ford - F-250 4x4. > > The seal surfaces don't seem to be worn any more than normal - and > - > don't seem > so bad they should leak but stock seals just don't do the job. > > It's a problem I've had for years and I'm getting quite tired of > always > trying to find a level area to park in and always cleaning my > brakes > before > going to shows. > > Lately I've been applying grease to the seal surfaces before > installing > the drums. > It seems to help some but not a cure. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jun 6 12:14:44 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:14:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor Update 6/6/05 Message-ID: <42A4A0A4.9010907@imc-group.com> Devin poured his first babbitt bearings this weekend when he poured the mains on his little Baker Monitor engine. On this link at the bottom. Look for the 6/6/05 update: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html Hope you enjoy. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Jun 6 12:48:25 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 21:48:25 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor Update 6/6/05 References: <42A4A0A4.9010907@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000b01c56ad0$b7670110$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Interesting write up Curt, Devin has a good teacher so to see. In a few years he will do it all alone I guess. Great job that way. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > Devin poured his first babbitt bearings this weekend when he poured the > mains on his little Baker Monitor engine. On this link at the bottom. > Look for the 6/6/05 update: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html > > Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From ivancou at alltel.net Mon Jun 6 13:38:02 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 16:38:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals References: <20050606.114456.208.6.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <003201c56ad7$a2baef40$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Joe , are you using genuine Ford or others ? Yes its the wrong brand but I have found out by accident that the Chevy seal for the axle is a three lip seal , the one from the local NAPA is a single . Makes a BIG difference ! Been there ,done that . Ivan From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Jun 6 14:15:34 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:15:34 EDT Subject: [SEL] Measuring cylinder taper Message-ID: <45.29ab3fd8.2fd616f6@aol.com> In a message dated 6/5/2005 5:18:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, glenn.karch at gte.net writes: << First you put a piston ring just into the bottom end of the cylinder and with feeler gauges, measure the ring gap. >> Glenn, This is a good way to measure taper in a cylinder assuming it is round as the ring will average the diameter. If there is any ovalness to the cylinder, then using the ring method will not take that into account. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 6 16:28:13 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 16:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Economy up and running In-Reply-To: <000701c56659$0e7c8050$7686a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <20050606232813.51113.qmail@web31306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Very nice job, Rex. Who's garage is it anyway??? A little red paint on the garage wouldn't hurt anything. 8>)) Yup, I sure do get excited every time I fire one up that has been silent for many years. I really like the MacLeod I bought at Portland last year, but all I needed to do was re-work what some P.O. called a check valve. I am happy to have it, but it is just an engine to me. Others that I have brought back to life are a lot more dear to me. I just don't choose to paint them that pretty fot the most part. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- Rex Hinz wrote: > Hi all; > > Finally got the 2-1/2 HP Economy running ! Wow what satisfaction , no > wounder all you collectors love the engines , I had to tug at my brain to > get the mag trip figered out but after three days of brain cramps I found > the trip rod was worn down enough that the engine would not start in the > advanced start position , you all know what I'm saying Right? anyway see the > engine pics at this link > http://client.webshots.com/photo/358308388/358331331fEWAjk > > Thanks > Rex > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Mon Jun 6 16:36:26 2005 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 19:36:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally Message-ID: <0CEA4127.46023185.04B7CB00@aol.com> Wouldn't miss it for quids From rexhinz at chorus.net Mon Jun 6 18:13:33 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:13:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy up and running References: <20050606232813.51113.qmail@web31306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c56afe$220d46a0$5986a5d8@mycomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" > > Who's garage is it anyway??? > A little red paint on the garage wouldn't hurt anything. 8>)) > Sure Alan easy for you to say but I married a little Red Head that can make more noise then all my engines running at the same time . And she can shoot a gun ! :-}}} I also like engines in their origanal paint but the Economy was far too gone for me , and thanks for the reply , I think this engine was converted from low tension to the Wico as the engine is 1918 and the mag trip has 1923 stamped on it Rex _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Jun 6 18:32:36 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 21:32:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals In-Reply-To: <6f6025160506060915352eb1f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050606.114456.208.6.jlb94@juno.com> <6f6025160506060915352eb1f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6479531af5d43990842b0ae86874d97f@chartertn.net> Thought this'd be a thread about walruses. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Jun 6 18:32:59 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 19:32:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor Update 6/6/05 References: <42A4A0A4.9010907@imc-group.com> Message-ID: As usual.great shots!! So it looks like the main casting nor the dummy shaft were not heated up very much. Is that the babbitrite burning? Good job guys! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:14 PM Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor Update 6/6/05 > Devin poured his first babbitt bearings this weekend when he poured the > mains on his little Baker Monitor engine. On this link at the bottom. > Look for the 6/6/05 update: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html > > Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Jun 6 18:26:23 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 21:26:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SIAM Show - Evansville, IN Message-ID: <20050606.214002.1048.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Arnie, You missed a good show at Hit & Miss in Orwell, OH. Great weather - some selling some buying - good times around the camp fire. Just a really good time. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From reb at apex.net Mon Jun 6 19:04:18 2005 From: reb at apex.net (REB) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 21:04:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SIAM Show - Evansville, IN References: <1117991968.42a33420157e5@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <004c01c56b05$37054d30$0202a8c0@Dads> Will be there but don't let Dave run off and leave his suspenders at home this year, about had a crisis! Dick Bauer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old_Engine" Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 12:19 PM Subject: [SEL] SIAM Show - Evansville, IN > Hi Folks, > > Dave Rotigle and I are going to the SIAM Show next weekend. I was > wondering how > many list folks were planning on attending? > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Jun 6 19:09:45 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:09:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals Message-ID: <20050606.220952.1048.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, Thanks for all who responded to my question about oversized axle seals. I will try to respond to most of the responces with this one e-mail as not to drag this OT too long. Bill - I have not checked the vent but imagine it's clear. New seals are no tighter than the old. They are not real tight but I don't notice any real ridges on the seal surfaces. I try to keep my fluid about 1" below the fill hole in the housing. Figuring any lower might be too low. Normally, I don't care tooo much about this leakage. However, now that the season is in full swing and I'm traveling Turnpikes and such to shows, If there should be a misshap - and the Government Man decides to check brakes - - - I'm dead because there is oil on the brakes. = = = = = = Curt, I have heard of these "Redi-Sleeve" things but never seen them. I'll need to investigate and see if I can obtain them from my local Auto Parts. = = = = = Ivan - No - they are NOT "Genuine" parts. Maybe a stop at the Ford Dealer might be in order. = = = = Peter - Moving the seal 1/16" in or out sounds like an idea but I don't think it'll help much. As I said, I don't think the seal surfaces are that worn. As for a different type seal - - - I usually buy the same seal every time. I've been using my local CarQuest Auto Parts. = = = = = Ron - I imagine the seals are the right ones. This is a problem that is reoccuring no matter what brand of seals I get. I might call Gipson Bearing and see if I can order seals by size. Thanks again all - Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Jun 6 20:12:56 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 23:12:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show References: <200506050248.j552mUip050266@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000c01c56b0e$cd8225e0$98668645@carolina.rr.com> Thanks for sharing Rob, great shots as usual. Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 10:48 PM Subject: [SEL] Show > Here are some pictures from a show today. > > http://wapa.us/shows/sonorahigh05 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jun 6 20:36:29 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:36:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals In-Reply-To: <20050606.220952.1048.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <200506070336.j573aVD5097010@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Joe - I like the ideas a couple of them had about the seal kits. I've used them on the harmonic balancers of car engines - it's a stainless sleeve you push on and it's held with loctite. If there is any wear or groove, etc. this takes care of it, not to mention it builds the shaft a slight bit. It's worth a shot. I figured you have the basic bases covered, but you know, had to ask anyway........ You run the fluid level about perfect. 3/4 to 1 inch down is what I've always done. Basically, to first joint on little finger. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Joseph L Betz Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 9:10 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals Hi List, Thanks for all who responded to my question about oversized axle seals. I will try to respond to most of the responces with this one e-mail as not to drag this OT too long. Bill - I have not checked the vent but imagine it's clear. New seals are no tighter than the old. They are not real tight but I don't notice any real ridges on the seal surfaces. I try to keep my fluid about 1" below the fill hole in the housing. Figuring any lower might be too low. Normally, I don't care tooo much about this leakage. However, now that the season is in full swing and I'm traveling Turnpikes and such to shows, If there should be a misshap - and the Government Man decides to check brakes - - - I'm dead because there is oil on the brakes. = = = = = = Curt, I have heard of these "Redi-Sleeve" things but never seen them. I'll need to investigate and see if I can obtain them from my local Auto Parts. = = = = = Ivan - No - they are NOT "Genuine" parts. Maybe a stop at the Ford Dealer might be in order. = = = = Peter - Moving the seal 1/16" in or out sounds like an idea but I don't think it'll help much. As I said, I don't think the seal surfaces are that worn. As for a different type seal - - - I usually buy the same seal every time. I've been using my local CarQuest Auto Parts. = = = = = Ron - I imagine the seals are the right ones. This is a problem that is reoccuring no matter what brand of seals I get. I might call Gipson Bearing and see if I can order seals by size. Thanks again all - Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu Jun 2 03:31:29 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:31:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Lamport Show Message-ID: <429EE001.12C7619B@insulate.co.uk> Hi All I've FINALLY got the pages uploaded for Lamport last weekend. I had real trouble with uploading to oldengine.org, so you may find that some links / pics don't work - if so, let me know. http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/lamport05.htm Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Jun 7 00:48:15 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 09:48:15 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Lamport Show References: <429EE001.12C7619B@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <000701c56b35$475d9040$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Dolly, Your Lamport site works great, interesting pics un/uploading Tillie. One or two big engines more and Jim has to buy that nice lifting truck :o) Thanks for sharing. John H. > Hi All > > I've FINALLY got the pages uploaded for Lamport last weekend. I had > real trouble with uploading to oldengine.org, so you may find that some > links / pics don't work - if so, let me know. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/lamport05.htm > > Dolly From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Tue Jun 7 02:52:40 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:52:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor Update 6/6/05 References: 29850016 Message-ID: <002a01c56b46$a4bed620$0301a8c0@Cam> Hi Curt and Devin, It's looking good and coming together now, you are doing a great job Devin. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 5:14 AM Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor Update 6/6/05 > Devin poured his first babbitt bearings this weekend when he poured the > mains on his little Baker Monitor engine. On this link at the bottom. Look > for the 6/6/05 update: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html > > Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Tue Jun 7 03:05:53 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:05:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Lamport Show References: 30330856 Message-ID: <005301c56b48$7d9d5f10$0301a8c0@Cam> Looked like a great show and great pictures too. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Lamport Show > Hi All > > I've FINALLY got the pages uploaded for Lamport last weekend. I had > real trouble with uploading to oldengine.org, so you may find that some > links / pics don't work - if so, let me know. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/lamport05.htm > > Dolly > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue Jun 7 06:21:02 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 06:21:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT - Oversized seals In-Reply-To: <20050606.220952.1048.3.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050606.220952.1048.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050607061716.01a9c4a0@mail.pennswoods.net> Joe for what it is worth. I have worked on a lot of ford 250-350 trucks with the same problem. Check the vent FIRST If not plugged get the speedy sleeves in stall with some locktite. If they don't have them in your area let me know i will pick up a pair for you. R Fink At 07:09 PM 6/6/2005, you wrote: >Hi List, >Thanks for all who responded to my question about oversized axle seals. >I will try to respond to most of the responces with this one e-mail as >not to drag this OT too long. > >Bill - I have not checked the vent but imagine it's clear. New seals are >no tighter than the old. >They are not real tight but I don't notice any real ridges on the seal >surfaces. > >I try to keep my fluid about 1" below the fill hole in the housing. >Figuring any lower might be too low. > >Normally, I don't care tooo much about this leakage. However, now that >the season is in full swing and I'm traveling Turnpikes and such to >shows, If there should be a misshap - and the Government Man decides >to check brakes - - - I'm dead because there is oil on the brakes. >= = = = = = >Curt, >I have heard of these "Redi-Sleeve" things but never seen them. I'll >need to investigate and see if I >can obtain them from my local Auto Parts. >= = = = = >Ivan - No - they are NOT "Genuine" parts. Maybe a stop at the Ford >Dealer might be in order. >= = = = >Peter - Moving the seal 1/16" in or out sounds like an idea but I don't >think it'll help much. >As I said, I don't think the seal surfaces are that worn. >As for a different type seal - - - I usually buy the same seal every >time. I've been using my local >CarQuest Auto Parts. >= = = = = >Ron - I imagine the seals are the right ones. This is a problem that is >reoccuring no matter >what brand of seals I get. >I might call Gipson Bearing and see if I can order seals by size. > >Thanks again all - > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 04:54:44 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 04:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT-Amish Restraint Laws Message-ID: <20050607115444.6267.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> Boy, that is a new one on me! I don?t know too much about the Amish, but from what I do know and from what other people have told me, they are a rather admirable bunch of folks and normally not a detriment to the community, except when they don?t hang lamps on the backs of their buggies at night and cause traffic accidents by being rear-ended. About the anti-Amish work laws, personally, I think it is a disgrace! It is clearly an infringement of their Constitutional rights to be free of persecution based on religion. I know that the laws get around that by using the excuse of ?inferior materials and construction methods?, but as has been quite adequately explained already, the ?proof is in the pudding?! There are plenty of 150-year-old Amish structures around as examples of their ?inferior craft?. Unscrupulous people do take advantage of the Amish all the time because they take quite seriously the Biblical admonition of ?turning the other cheek? and they will not defend themselves, and it looks like the anti-Amish laws will go unchallenged from the Amish quarter and it will take a non-Amish advocate to challenge the laws on their behalf. In the 1994 Northridge Quake here in Southern California, there were tens of thousands of badly damaged and destroyed homes throughout the area. The Amish came here as fast they could by whatever antiquated means they found acceptable for the long distances they had to travel. Then they went through the quake-ravaged neighborhoods performing the antiquated but time-honored activity of house-raising bees rebuilding and repairing the homes of low income and elderly folks for free. Under those circumstances, if anyone had complained about the Amish being here, the complainers would have stood a very good chance of getting treated to another time-honored antiquated activity - - - they would have been tarred, feathered, and ridden out of town on a rail! Work and play safely, Rich Allen From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jun 7 06:25:34 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:25:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor Update 6/6/05 In-Reply-To: References: <42A4A0A4.9010907@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42A5A04E.7060606@imc-group.com> Rick, Yup they were heated with the rosebud. Used one of those infrared heat guns to check temps and the bearing saddles were about 530?F and the dummy shaft near that too. Hard not to heat it all. Things were probably a little too warm as the Babbittrite was starting to self ignite. Yes that is what was burning in the picture. Curt Richard Strobel wrote: >As usual.great shots!! So it looks like the main casting nor the dummy >shaft were not heated up very much. Is that the babbitrite burning? > > Good job guys! > >RickinMt. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Curt" >To: "SEL" >Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:14 PM >Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor Update 6/6/05 > > > > >>Devin poured his first babbitt bearings this weekend when he poured the >>mains on his little Baker Monitor engine. On this link at the bottom. >>Look for the 6/6/05 update: >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html >> >>Hope you enjoy. >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Jun 7 10:28:31 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:28:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT-Amish Restraint Laws In-Reply-To: <20050607115444.6267.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050607115444.6267.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42A5D93F.6070905@scrtc.com> Rich, Not all Amish build the high quality work you mention. We have 2 sects or clans of Amish in our area. One group is very neat and orderly. They live in the nice white houses with the neat barns out back. What ever they tell you, bank on it as it will be that way. They are expert craftsmen who build cabinets, homes, barns, install windows and doors, etc. You couldn't ask for a better group to call neighbors or part of the community. The other group is quite the opposite. If you take logs to them to be sawed, you may get the lumber from the log you took, maybe not. I've also seen rather large logs produce rather small piles of lumber. They're not beyond puchasing a piece of antique equipment, only to "forget" to ever pay for it. We've even had some incarcerated in jail. If you've never had to lock up an Amish, you're missing an experience. I'm making these comments as we tend to view ALL Amish as expert craftsmen seeking a simpler way of life who are . Most are and are assets to a community. However, they mirror the rest of society in that some aren't. From Steve's initial post, it sounds like the Amish he mentions fall into the former rather than latter group that I talk about and are a plus to his area. But, there may be some in his area that aren't. Here in KY we have a Workmans Comp law that requires all contractors to be covered under a workers comp insurance policy. Before the law, the home/property owner assumed all liability for any worker's injuries suffered on his premises in the absence of workers comp coverage. For example, if a worker fell off of a roof and broke his leg and didn't have workers comp, the homeowners policy covered the incident up to its limits, then the homeowner's pocket book kicked in from that point forward. If a permanent injury was suffered by the individual, the homeowner could be looking a ongoing costs for many years. We've had discussion at great length on the SEL about the need for insurance. No one, Amish or otherwise, is working on my home or property without it. The inferior materials issue that Steve mentions probably go back to building codes. For example, only treated wood can be used where it comes in contact with the ground. Also, many homes must be constructed with materials meeting certain grades as required by mortgage lenders, to receive home owner warranties, etc. I would suspect most of the Amish materials are ungraded. Most are good people and a plus. Some aren't though and sadly the laws that keep them straight apply to the good folks as well. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Boy, that is a new one on me! I don?t know too much about the Amish, >but from what I do know and from what other people have told me, they >are a rather admirable bunch of folks and normally not a detriment to >the community, except when they don?t hang lamps on the backs of their >buggies at night and cause traffic accidents by being rear-ended. > >About the anti-Amish work laws, personally, I think it is a disgrace! >It is clearly an infringement of their Constitutional rights to be free >of persecution based on religion. I know that the laws get around that >by using the excuse of ?inferior materials and construction methods?, >but as has been quite adequately explained already, the ?proof is in >the pudding?! There are plenty of 150-year-old Amish structures around >as examples of their ?inferior craft?. Unscrupulous people do take >advantage of the Amish all the time because they take quite seriously >the Biblical admonition of ?turning the other cheek? and they will not >defend themselves, and it looks like the anti-Amish laws will go >unchallenged from the Amish quarter and it will take a non-Amish >advocate to challenge the laws on their behalf. > >In the 1994 Northridge Quake here in Southern California, there were >tens of thousands of badly damaged and destroyed homes throughout the >area. The Amish came here as fast they could by whatever antiquated >means they found acceptable for the long distances they had to travel. >Then they went through the quake-ravaged neighborhoods performing the >antiquated but time-honored activity of house-raising bees rebuilding >and repairing the homes of low income and elderly folks for free. Under >those circumstances, if anyone had complained about the Amish being >here, the complainers would have stood a very good chance of getting >treated to another time-honored antiquated activity - - - they would >have been tarred, feathered, and ridden out of town on a rail! > >Work and play safely, > >Rich Allen > > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jun 7 11:45:09 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:45:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? In-Reply-To: <02b901c56a21$8a3ce9c0$a65bef18@pengy> References: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> <02b901c56a21$8a3ce9c0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <42A5EB35.7030809@imc-group.com> Rick, Might it be possible to circumvent the effort that putting on the Charity Auction presents? If you need money for the project just _ask_, and tell us how much. How many are on the SEL right now? If we each ante-up what's that work out to each? Curt Tod Engine wrote: > Who runs the ATIS Chairty Auctions? I was wondering if it would be > possible to run a special charity auction to help raise some of the > money to move the last few pieces of the Tod Engine from the mill. I > estimate it will cost about $12,000 for the cranes and hauling, and I > am hopeful to obtain a grant for a portion of that, but would need to > raise the rest. > > This is really the last major hurdle to overcome in the restoration of > the Tod Engine. We saved the old girl, purchased the land for the > museum, moved 120 tons worth of parts last year and once these last > parts, the 48 ton HP bedplate, 40 ton LP cylinder, 65 ton crankshaft > and 8 ton HP cylinder, are moved to our site full scale reassembly of > the engine can begin. > > I have several items that I could contribute to the chairty auction, > and if a few other list members could contribute that would be great. > The engine is related to steelmaking as well and I have several steel > industry related items that my steel entuisuast friends would bid on > as well. > > So who runs the chairt auctions and would this be a good enough reason > to run a special auction? > From falcon at telenet.net Tue Jun 7 11:32:49 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:32:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT-Amish Restraint Laws References: <20050607115444.6267.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> <42A5D93F.6070905@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <016f01c56b93$30092f40$611117d1@net.telenet.net> Tommy, Some very good points in that post. Most of the Amish in this area are all good folks. The problem is that the new laws as enacted are based solely on the people being Amish, NOT poor craftsmen or bad folks. The new codes specify Amish by name not just stating that you cannot use ungraded lumber or must use treated lumber. The local Amish will build entirely using store bought lumber if you want them to. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT-Amish Restraint Laws > Rich, > > Not all Amish build the high quality work you mention. We have 2 sects > or clans of Amish in our area. One group is very neat and orderly. They > live in the nice white houses with the neat barns out back. What ever > they tell you, bank on it as it will be that way. They are expert > craftsmen who build cabinets, homes, barns, install windows and doors, > etc. You couldn't ask for a better group to call neighbors or part of > the community. The other group is quite the opposite. If you take logs > to them to be sawed, you may get the lumber from the log you took, maybe > not. I've also seen rather large logs produce rather small piles of > lumber. They're not beyond puchasing a piece of antique equipment, only > to "forget" to ever pay for it. We've even had some incarcerated in > jail. If you've never had to lock up an Amish, you're missing an > experience. I'm making these comments as we tend to view ALL Amish as > expert craftsmen seeking a simpler way of life who are . Most are and > are assets to a community. However, they mirror the rest of society in > that some aren't. From Steve's initial post, it sounds like the Amish he > mentions fall into the former rather than latter group that I talk about > and are a plus to his area. But, there may be some in his area that > aren't. Here in KY we have a Workmans Comp law that requires all > contractors to be covered under a workers comp insurance policy. Before > the law, the home/property owner assumed all liability for any worker's > injuries suffered on his premises in the absence of workers comp > coverage. For example, if a worker fell off of a roof and broke his leg > and didn't have workers comp, the homeowners policy covered the incident > up to its limits, then the homeowner's pocket book kicked in from that > point forward. If a permanent injury was suffered by the individual, the > homeowner could be looking a ongoing costs for many years. We've had > discussion at great length on the SEL about the need for insurance. No > one, Amish or otherwise, is working on my home or property without it. > The inferior materials issue that Steve mentions probably go back to > building codes. For example, only treated wood can be used where it > comes in contact with the ground. Also, many homes must be constructed > with materials meeting certain grades as required by mortgage lenders, > to receive home owner warranties, etc. I would suspect most of the Amish > materials are ungraded. Most are good people and a plus. Some aren't > though and sadly the laws that keep them straight apply to the good > folks as well. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > >Boy, that is a new one on me! I dont know too much about the Amish, > >but from what I do know and from what other people have told me, they > >are a rather admirable bunch of folks and normally not a detriment to > >the community, except when they dont hang lamps on the backs of their > >buggies at night and cause traffic accidents by being rear-ended. > > > >About the anti-Amish work laws, personally, I think it is a disgrace! > >It is clearly an infringement of their Constitutional rights to be free > >of persecution based on religion. I know that the laws get around that > >by using the excuse of inferior materials and construction methods, > >but as has been quite adequately explained already, the proof is in > >the pudding! There are plenty of 150-year-old Amish structures around > >as examples of their inferior craft. Unscrupulous people do take > >advantage of the Amish all the time because they take quite seriously > >the Biblical admonition of turning the other cheek and they will not > >defend themselves, and it looks like the anti-Amish laws will go > >unchallenged from the Amish quarter and it will take a non-Amish > >advocate to challenge the laws on their behalf. > > > >In the 1994 Northridge Quake here in Southern California, there were > >tens of thousands of badly damaged and destroyed homes throughout the > >area. The Amish came here as fast they could by whatever antiquated > >means they found acceptable for the long distances they had to travel. > >Then they went through the quake-ravaged neighborhoods performing the > >antiquated but time-honored activity of house-raising bees rebuilding > >and repairing the homes of low income and elderly folks for free. Under > >those circumstances, if anyone had complained about the Amish being > >here, the complainers would have stood a very good chance of getting > >treated to another time-honored antiquated activity - - - they would > >have been tarred, feathered, and ridden out of town on a rail! > > > >Work and play safely, > > > >Rich Allen > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue Jun 7 12:21:29 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:21:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? In-Reply-To: <42A5EB35.7030809@imc-group.com> References: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> <02b901c56a21$8a3ce9c0$a65bef18@pengy> <42A5EB35.7030809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6pgUxjd5OfpCFwOC@loud-n-clear.net> Hi chaps In message <42A5EB35.7030809 at imc-group.com>, Curt writes >If you need money for the project just _ask_, I'd cough up. Can't afford a lot, but could put a couple of C-notes in. >and tell us how much. I thought he did, $12,000 seems to ring a bell. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Jun 7 13:21:47 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:21:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT-Amish Restraint Laws In-Reply-To: <016f01c56b93$30092f40$611117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <20050607115444.6267.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> <42A5D93F.6070905@scrtc.com> <016f01c56b93$30092f40$611117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <42A601DB.1080706@scrtc.com> Steve, If they specifically single out the Amish, they are way off base. I don't think it would ever hold up to a challenge. But, thats the catch, the Amish don't want to go to court. Someone may on their behalf however. It sounds as if the local political powers that be haven't received any campaign contributions from the Amish..... I spent some time with an Amish family in Lagootee, IN when I was young. Quite an experience not having hot running water (they did have running water as they pumped it into a tank that sat in the attic and then it would gravity feed down), a TV set, electric lights, etc. But, I do remember sitting around at night after eating and everyone talking about the day, family, etc. Quite peaceful and quite a change from what I was used to. It gave me a perspective of what America was like 150 years ago, even before the old iron came along. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Tommy, > Some very good points in that post. Most of the Amish in this area are >all good folks. The problem is that the new laws as enacted are based >solely on the people being Amish, NOT poor craftsmen or bad folks. The >new codes specify Amish by name not just stating that you cannot use >ungraded lumber or must use treated lumber. The local Amish will build >entirely using store bought lumber if you want them to. > > >Steve Williams > > > > From BillMil357 at aol.com Tue Jun 7 13:54:59 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:54:59 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT-Amish Restraint Laws Message-ID: <1ee.3d42ef04.2fd763a3@aol.com> Hi Tommy, Click on the link below and see if this pump is the type they used to pump water up in the attic. Are you going to be at the SIAM show this weekend, I met you there about 4 or 5 years ago, and the only time I ever saw you, _http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV_ (http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV) See'ya, Bill Miller. Memphis, TN. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Jun 7 15:58:57 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 18:58:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT-Amish Restraint Laws In-Reply-To: <1ee.3d42ef04.2fd763a3@aol.com> References: <1ee.3d42ef04.2fd763a3@aol.com> Message-ID: <42A626B1.2010202@scrtc.com> Bill, it looked very similar. I remember the long handle and one of the older boys, maybe 14 or 15, pumping for what seemed like 20 minutes to fill the tank. I don't know how big the tank was but would guess it was around 20 gallons or possibly a little larger. I might make it to SIAM on Friday. I doubt that I can on Sat. Maybe I'll get to see you and some of the gang there. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi Tommy, > >Click on the link below and see if this pump is the type they used to pump >water up in the attic. Are you going to be at the SIAM show this weekend, I met > you there about 4 or 5 years ago, and the only time I ever saw you, > >_http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV_ >(http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV) > >See'ya, > >Bill Miller. >Memphis, TN. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Jun 7 15:59:45 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:59:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? In-Reply-To: <42A5EB35.7030809@imc-group.com> References: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> <02b901c56a21$8a3ce9c0$a65bef18@pengy> <42A5EB35.7030809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42A626E1.40202@earthlink.net> Hi list, I agree with Curt. Rick has paypal set up for CD sales. Maybe he could add to it and allow us to donate online. I think a lot of us use paypal for auctions because it's quick and easy. For those without paypal accounts mail a check. Count me in Rick, and let me know how you want to do it. Direct donations sound good to me. Jeff Allen Curt wrote: > Rick, > Might it be possible to circumvent the effort that putting on the > Charity Auction presents? If you need money for the project just > _ask_, and tell us how much. How many are on the SEL right now? If we > each ante-up what's that work out to each? > Curt > > Tod Engine wrote: > >> Who runs the ATIS Chairty Auctions? I was wondering if it would be >> possible to run a special charity auction to help raise some of the >> money to move the last few pieces of the Tod Engine from the mill. I >> estimate it will cost about $12,000 for the cranes and hauling, and I >> am hopeful to obtain a grant for a portion of that, but would need to >> raise the rest. >> >> This is really the last major hurdle to overcome in the restoration >> of the Tod Engine. We saved the old girl, purchased the land for the >> museum, moved 120 tons worth of parts last year and once these last >> parts, the 48 ton HP bedplate, 40 ton LP cylinder, 65 ton crankshaft >> and 8 ton HP cylinder, are moved to our site full scale reassembly of >> the engine can begin. >> >> I have several items that I could contribute to the chairty auction, >> and if a few other list members could contribute that would be great. >> The engine is related to steelmaking as well and I have several steel >> industry related items that my steel entuisuast friends would bid on >> as well. >> >> So who runs the chairt auctions and would this be a good enough >> reason to run a special auction? >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Jun 7 17:53:28 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:53:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lamport Show References: <429EE001.12C7619B@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <000501c56bc4$7cdac000$98668645@carolina.rr.com> Did anyone sing a national anthem of any kind? Ahhhhhh Portland........... MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:31 AM Subject: [SEL] Lamport Show > Hi All > > I've FINALLY got the pages uploaded for Lamport last weekend. I had > real trouble with uploading to oldengine.org, so you may find that some > links / pics don't work - if so, let me know. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/lamport05.htm > > Dolly > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jun 7 18:43:21 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:43:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor Update 6/6/05 References: <42A4A0A4.9010907@imc-group.com> <42A5A04E.7060606@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Ok..kewl..I think i'm not getting enuf preheat before pouring. thanx Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor Update 6/6/05 > Rick, > Yup they were heated with the rosebud. Used one of those infrared heat > guns to check temps and the bearing saddles were about 530?F and the > dummy shaft near that too. Hard not to heat it all. Things were probably > a little too warm as the Babbittrite was starting to self ignite. Yes > that is what was burning in the picture. > Curt > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > >As usual.great shots!! So it looks like the main casting nor the dummy > >shaft were not heated up very much. Is that the babbitrite burning? > > > > Good job guys! > > > >RickinMt. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Curt" > >To: "SEL" > >Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:14 PM > >Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor Update 6/6/05 > > > > > > > > > >>Devin poured his first babbitt bearings this weekend when he poured the > >>mains on his little Baker Monitor engine. On this link at the bottom. > >>Look for the 6/6/05 update: > >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html > >> > >>Hope you enjoy. > >>Curt Holland > >>Gastonia, NC > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Tue Jun 7 19:24:31 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:24:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? References: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> <02b901c56a21$8a3ce9c0$a65bef18@pengy><42A5EB35.7030809@imc-group.com> <42A626E1.40202@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <048e01c56bd1$33d57050$a65bef18@pengy> Curt, Jeff and the rest of the SEL List, If you would like to contribute directly to the Tod Engine Project that would be very much appreciated. I am not comfortable with asking for money, those who have been on the list for years know that I do not usually solicit contributions. There is approximately $800 in our accounts at this moment. When that amount reaches $5,000 then I'll contact the rigging company and have them put me in their schedule. I estimate the total cost to be about $11,000 or $12,000. Our bill for moving four parts last year and cranes for three days was $8,600. There are four more parts to move this time but since the crankshaft wieghs so much its going to cost $2,500 just to truck it the 6 miles to our property. So assuming the crane time stays the same the cost will be just over $11,000. The Tod Engine Works casting business has been a tremendous help and the money that we've made from that has allowed me to pour 18 yards of concrete and buy 8 or 9 tri axle loads of slag fill so far. Casting sales over the next couple of months may bring in $1,000 to $1,500 towards our goal. You all know that I don't ask for contributions very often, so for me to ask it must be important. The Tod Engine is the only Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark in the world, one of only three existing rolling mill steam engines in North America, and perhaps the largest preserved stationary steam engine in the U.S. It was saved from scrapping literally by the Stationary Engine List. If some of us could chip in some money and help it get moved this year, I'll have most of her back together next year and finally after all these years we can see this mechanical marvel in all of its splendid beauty. Direct contributions can be made via paypal simply by sending it to our paypal address which is paypal at todengine.org . From that I can transfer the funds directly into our savings account. Or if you would prefer to send a contribution our address is 2261 Hubbard Road, Youngstown, OH 44505. Thank you all so very much. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Foundation William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? > Hi list, > > I agree with Curt. Rick has paypal set up for CD sales. Maybe he could add > to it and allow us to donate online. I think a lot of us use paypal for > auctions because it's quick and easy. For those without paypal accounts > mail a check. Count me in Rick, and let me know how you want to do it. > Direct donations sound good to me. > Jeff Allen > > Curt wrote: > >> Rick, >> Might it be possible to circumvent the effort that putting on the Charity >> Auction presents? If you need money for the project just _ask_, and tell >> us how much. How many are on the SEL right now? If we each ante-up what's >> that work out to each? >> Curt >> >> Tod Engine wrote: >> >>> Who runs the ATIS Chairty Auctions? I was wondering if it would be >>> possible to run a special charity auction to help raise some of the >>> money to move the last few pieces of the Tod Engine from the mill. I >>> estimate it will cost about $12,000 for the cranes and hauling, and I am >>> hopeful to obtain a grant for a portion of that, but would need to raise >>> the rest. >>> >>> This is really the last major hurdle to overcome in the restoration of >>> the Tod Engine. We saved the old girl, purchased the land for the >>> museum, moved 120 tons worth of parts last year and once these last >>> parts, the 48 ton HP bedplate, 40 ton LP cylinder, 65 ton crankshaft and >>> 8 ton HP cylinder, are moved to our site full scale reassembly of the >>> engine can begin. >>> >>> I have several items that I could contribute to the chairty auction, and >>> if a few other list members could contribute that would be great. The >>> engine is related to steelmaking as well and I have several steel >>> industry related items that my steel entuisuast friends would bid on as >>> well. >>> >>> So who runs the chairt auctions and would this be a good enough reason >>> to run a special auction? >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Jun 7 21:41:49 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:41:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Fund Message-ID: <42A6770D.8000801@earthlink.net> Hi all, Just made my contribution. Not a lot but multiplied by the list it should meet the goal. About the same amount I sent to Paul last year for the Internal Fire Museum, and I doubt I'll ever see that one. Maybe I'll see the Tod engine one day. Give if you can for a good cause. Rick said in part: > I am not comfortable with asking for money, those who have been on the > list for years know that I do not usually solicit contributions. Let's help him finish it up boys and girls. Jeff Allen From EnginePaul at aol.com Tue Jun 7 22:39:51 2005 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 01:39:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] Amish restraint laws? Message-ID: <86.29b63ab3.2fd7dea7@aol.com> I remembered this from long ago and it seems similar to the Amish law: Yick Wo v. Hopkins 118 U.S. 356 (1886) Yick Wo was a Chinese immigrant who ran a small San Francisco laundry that was shut down by police for being in violation of a city ordinance against operating commercial enterprises out of wooden buildings. It was widely understood that the ordinance targeted Chinese businesses, since such businesses made predominant use of wooden construction (which was not itself prohibited). In its ruling, the Court sanctioned local authorities for arbitrary application of the law and upheld the right of citizens and noncitizens alike to appeal to the Fourteenth Amendment for protection against discrimination.Yick Wo v. Hopkins 118 U.S. 356 (1886) Yick Wo has been cited in well over 150 Supreme Court cases since it was decided. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jun 8 00:19:49 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:19:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? References: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> <02b901c56a21$8a3ce9c0$a65bef18@pengy><42A5EB35.7030809@imc-group.com><42A626E1.40202@earthlink.net> <048e01c56bd1$33d57050$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <00c201c56bfa$e015faa0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I know I am the other side of the world but, Have you contacted the President? When the chips are down, go to the top with a clear, concise statement. No flam, just the good facts. Also, contact the 'media' and get them on your side. You have a TOP news story there. Worked right, it should bring in more than you will ever need. Thats my two cents worth. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? > Curt, Jeff and the rest of the SEL List, > > If you would like to contribute directly to the Tod Engine Project that > would be very much appreciated. I am not comfortable with asking for > money, those who have been on the list for years know that I do not > usually solicit contributions. > > There is approximately $800 in our accounts at this moment. When that > amount reaches $5,000 then I'll contact the rigging company and have them > put me in their schedule. I estimate the total cost to be about $11,000 > or $12,000. Our bill for moving four parts last year and cranes for three > days was $8,600. There are four more parts to move this time but since the > crankshaft wieghs so much its going to cost $2,500 just to truck it the 6 > miles to our property. So assuming the crane time stays the same the cost > will be just over $11,000. > > The Tod Engine Works casting business has been a tremendous help and the > money that we've made from that has allowed me to pour 18 yards of > concrete and buy 8 or 9 tri axle loads of slag fill so far. Casting sales > over the next couple of months may bring in $1,000 to $1,500 towards our > goal. > > You all know that I don't ask for contributions very often, so for me to > ask it must be important. The Tod Engine is the only Historic Mechanical > and Materials Engineering Landmark in the world, one of only three > existing rolling mill steam engines in North America, and perhaps the > largest preserved stationary steam engine in the U.S. It was saved from > scrapping literally by the Stationary Engine List. If some of us could > chip in some money and help it get moved this year, I'll have most of her > back together next year and finally after all these years we can see this > mechanical marvel in all of its splendid beauty. > > Direct contributions can be made via paypal simply by sending it to our > paypal address which is paypal at todengine.org . From that I can transfer > the funds directly into our savings account. Or if you would prefer to > send a contribution our address is 2261 Hubbard Road, Youngstown, OH > 44505. > > Thank you all so very much. > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Engine Foundation > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > http://www.todengine.org/ > Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:59 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? > > >> Hi list, >> >> I agree with Curt. Rick has paypal set up for CD sales. Maybe he could >> add to it and allow us to donate online. I think a lot of us use paypal >> for auctions because it's quick and easy. For those without paypal >> accounts mail a check. Count me in Rick, and let me know how you want to >> do it. Direct donations sound good to me. >> Jeff Allen >> >> Curt wrote: >> >>> Rick, >>> Might it be possible to circumvent the effort that putting on the >>> Charity Auction presents? If you need money for the project just _ask_, >>> and tell us how much. How many are on the SEL right now? If we each >>> ante-up what's that work out to each? >>> Curt >>> >>> Tod Engine wrote: >>> >>>> Who runs the ATIS Chairty Auctions? I was wondering if it would be >>>> possible to run a special charity auction to help raise some of the >>>> money to move the last few pieces of the Tod Engine from the mill. I >>>> estimate it will cost about $12,000 for the cranes and hauling, and I >>>> am hopeful to obtain a grant for a portion of that, but would need to >>>> raise the rest. >>>> >>>> This is really the last major hurdle to overcome in the restoration of >>>> the Tod Engine. We saved the old girl, purchased the land for the >>>> museum, moved 120 tons worth of parts last year and once these last >>>> parts, the 48 ton HP bedplate, 40 ton LP cylinder, 65 ton crankshaft >>>> and 8 ton HP cylinder, are moved to our site full scale reassembly of >>>> the engine can begin. >>>> >>>> I have several items that I could contribute to the chairty auction, >>>> and if a few other list members could contribute that would be great. >>>> The engine is related to steelmaking as well and I have several steel >>>> industry related items that my steel entuisuast friends would bid on as >>>> well. >>>> >>>> So who runs the chairt auctions and would this be a good enough reason >>>> to run a special auction? >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jun 8 04:01:58 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 07:01:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Amish restraint laws? In-Reply-To: <86.29b63ab3.2fd7dea7@aol.com> References: <86.29b63ab3.2fd7dea7@aol.com> Message-ID: <42A6D026.6000208@scrtc.com> Wo..... I think Yick right on target... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY EnginePaul at aol.com wrote: >I remembered this from long ago and it seems similar to the Amish law: > >Yick Wo v. Hopkins >118 U.S. 356 (1886) >Yick Wo was a Chinese immigrant who ran a small San Francisco laundry that >was shut down by police for being in violation of a city ordinance against >operating commercial enterprises out of wooden buildings. It was widely >understood that the ordinance targeted Chinese businesses, since such businesses made >predominant use of wooden construction (which was not itself prohibited). In >its ruling, the Court sanctioned local authorities for arbitrary application >of the law and upheld the right of citizens and noncitizens alike to appeal >to the Fourteenth Amendment for protection against discrimination.Yick Wo v. >Hopkins >118 U.S. 356 (1886) >Yick Wo has been cited in well over 150 Supreme Court cases since it was >decided. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Wed Jun 8 05:59:10 2005 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:59:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New Toy Message-ID: <010001c56c29$de3680e0$23731dd3@fred> Hi All, Went shopping t`day, bought home a 2 1/2 hp. Schmitt , Circa 1895 ? Missing carby, does anyone have any information on these engines? Brian in Melbourne. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Jun 8 09:33:28 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 10:33:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Always recruiting photo's Message-ID: As the show season is well on it's way, I would like to recruit photo's of the old unique iron that was on the belt. These go in my Webshots album, "So Whad they use'm for." And as always ya'll can use them anyway you see fit. Helen, could I put the Brick Crusher in the album..with proper credit given of course?? That's pretty unique and never seen one before. Always nice to get guestbook entries in regards to the albums I have; Makes the heart a little warmer..here it is: People are talking about your photos! On June 8 [barnchaser] viewed your album entitled "So Whad They Use'm For ? "Domestic Applications"" and wrote: ---------------- What a very interesting series of albums! Believe it or not, as a girl we used an old belt saw with a huge round blade (about 3 ft. in diameter) to cut our firewood. The 6 inch wide belt was hooked around the rear axel of an old, undriveable car with the rear end supported on blocks. Sure made fast work of the huge stacks of slab wood left on the property by previous logging operations through our forests. We also used an old style hand pump to draw our water from a 24 ft deep well. In hindsight, it's noteworthy that this was located just 30 miles out of Washington, D.C. in the 1960's. Those forests are long gone to make way for crowded housing developments and shopping malls. Sigh... Charlotte, now in El Paso, TX where overdevelopment is threatening to expend the last vestiges of the one paved "country road" still in the area. ---------------- From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jun 8 10:11:14 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:11:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? In-Reply-To: <00c201c56bfa$e015faa0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> <02b901c56a21$8a3ce9c0$a65bef18@pengy><42A5EB35.7030809@imc-group.com><42A626E1.40202@earthlink.net> <048e01c56bd1$33d57050$a65bef18@pengy> <00c201c56bfa$e015faa0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <42A726B2.7070505@imc-group.com> Ya know Reg, their are foundations with staff that work hard to give money away to organizations like historical groups. One that comes to mind is the Bill Gates Foundation. Our Pres. might be just a tad busy at the moment attacking our personal rights/freedoms under the guise of anti-terrorism, so contacting those organizations might yield more satisfying results. I don't have a clue how to go about finding these organizations, but there are a lot of them with lots of money to give away. Curt Holland R & M Ingold wrote: > I know I am the other side of the world but, Have you contacted the > President? > When the chips are down, go to the top with a clear, concise > statement. No flam, just the good facts. > Also, contact the 'media' and get them on your side. > You have a TOP news story there. > Worked right, it should bring in more than you will ever need. > Thats my two cents worth. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:24 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? > > >> Curt, Jeff and the rest of the SEL List, >> >> If you would like to contribute directly to the Tod Engine Project >> that would be very much appreciated. I am not comfortable with >> asking for money, those who have been on the list for years know that >> I do not usually solicit contributions. >> >> There is approximately $800 in our accounts at this moment. When >> that amount reaches $5,000 then I'll contact the rigging company and >> have them put me in their schedule. I estimate the total cost to be >> about $11,000 or $12,000. Our bill for moving four parts last year >> and cranes for three days was $8,600. There are four more parts to >> move this time but since the crankshaft wieghs so much its going to >> cost $2,500 just to truck it the 6 miles to our property. So >> assuming the crane time stays the same the cost will be just over >> $11,000. >> >> The Tod Engine Works casting business has been a tremendous help and >> the money that we've made from that has allowed me to pour 18 yards >> of concrete and buy 8 or 9 tri axle loads of slag fill so far. >> Casting sales over the next couple of months may bring in $1,000 to >> $1,500 towards our goal. >> >> You all know that I don't ask for contributions very often, so for me >> to ask it must be important. The Tod Engine is the only Historic >> Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark in the world, one of >> only three existing rolling mill steam engines in North America, and >> perhaps the largest preserved stationary steam engine in the U.S. It >> was saved from scrapping literally by the Stationary Engine List. If >> some of us could chip in some money and help it get moved this year, >> I'll have most of her back together next year and finally after all >> these years we can see this mechanical marvel in all of its splendid >> beauty. >> >> Direct contributions can be made via paypal simply by sending it to >> our paypal address which is paypal at todengine.org . From that I can >> transfer the funds directly into our savings account. Or if you >> would prefer to send a contribution our address is 2261 Hubbard Road, >> Youngstown, OH 44505. >> >> Thank you all so very much. >> >> Rick Rowlands >> Executive Director >> Tod Engine Foundation >> William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine >> Youngstown, OH >> http://www.todengine.org/ >> Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? >> >> >>> Hi list, >>> >>> I agree with Curt. Rick has paypal set up for CD sales. Maybe he >>> could add to it and allow us to donate online. I think a lot of us >>> use paypal for auctions because it's quick and easy. For those >>> without paypal accounts mail a check. Count me in Rick, and let me >>> know how you want to do it. Direct donations sound good to me. >>> Jeff Allen >>> >>> Curt wrote: >>> >>>> Rick, >>>> Might it be possible to circumvent the effort that putting on the >>>> Charity Auction presents? If you need money for the project just >>>> _ask_, and tell us how much. How many are on the SEL right now? If >>>> we each ante-up what's that work out to each? >>>> Curt >>>> >>>> Tod Engine wrote: >>>> >>>>> Who runs the ATIS Chairty Auctions? I was wondering if it would >>>>> be possible to run a special charity auction to help raise some of >>>>> the money to move the last few pieces of the Tod Engine from the >>>>> mill. I estimate it will cost about $12,000 for the cranes and >>>>> hauling, and I am hopeful to obtain a grant for a portion of that, >>>>> but would need to raise the rest. >>>>> >>>>> This is really the last major hurdle to overcome in the >>>>> restoration of the Tod Engine. We saved the old girl, purchased >>>>> the land for the museum, moved 120 tons worth of parts last year >>>>> and once these last parts, the 48 ton HP bedplate, 40 ton LP >>>>> cylinder, 65 ton crankshaft and 8 ton HP cylinder, are moved to >>>>> our site full scale reassembly of the engine can begin. >>>>> >>>>> I have several items that I could contribute to the chairty >>>>> auction, and if a few other list members could contribute that >>>>> would be great. The engine is related to steelmaking as well and I >>>>> have several steel industry related items that my steel entuisuast >>>>> friends would bid on as well. >>>>> >>>>> So who runs the chairt auctions and would this be a good enough >>>>> reason to run a special auction? >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Wed Jun 8 11:26:42 2005 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:26:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? References: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> <02b901c56a21$8a3ce9c0$a65bef18@pengy> <42A5EB35.7030809@imc-group.com> <42A626E1.40202@earthlink.net> <048e01c56bd1$33d57050$a65bef18@pengy> <00c201c56bfa$e015faa0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <42A726B2.7070505@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000901c56c57$9eecc9c0$151c7546@satx.rr.com> keep the political bs out of this list. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? > Ya know Reg, their are foundations with staff that work hard to give > money away to organizations like historical groups. One that comes to > mind is the Bill Gates Foundation. Our Pres. might be just a tad busy at > the moment attacking our personal rights/freedoms under the guise of > anti-terrorism, so contacting those organizations might yield more > satisfying results. I don't have a clue how to go about finding these > organizations, but there are a lot of them with lots of money to give away. > Curt Holland > > R & M Ingold wrote: > > > I know I am the other side of the world but, Have you contacted the > > President? > > When the chips are down, go to the top with a clear, concise > > statement. No flam, just the good facts. > > Also, contact the 'media' and get them on your side. > > You have a TOP news story there. > > Worked right, it should bring in more than you will ever need. > > Thats my two cents worth. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" > > > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? > > > > > >> Curt, Jeff and the rest of the SEL List, > >> > >> If you would like to contribute directly to the Tod Engine Project > >> that would be very much appreciated. I am not comfortable with > >> asking for money, those who have been on the list for years know that > >> I do not usually solicit contributions. > >> > >> There is approximately $800 in our accounts at this moment. When > >> that amount reaches $5,000 then I'll contact the rigging company and > >> have them put me in their schedule. I estimate the total cost to be > >> about $11,000 or $12,000. Our bill for moving four parts last year > >> and cranes for three days was $8,600. There are four more parts to > >> move this time but since the crankshaft wieghs so much its going to > >> cost $2,500 just to truck it the 6 miles to our property. So > >> assuming the crane time stays the same the cost will be just over > >> $11,000. > >> > >> The Tod Engine Works casting business has been a tremendous help and > >> the money that we've made from that has allowed me to pour 18 yards > >> of concrete and buy 8 or 9 tri axle loads of slag fill so far. > >> Casting sales over the next couple of months may bring in $1,000 to > >> $1,500 towards our goal. > >> > >> You all know that I don't ask for contributions very often, so for me > >> to ask it must be important. The Tod Engine is the only Historic > >> Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark in the world, one of > >> only three existing rolling mill steam engines in North America, and > >> perhaps the largest preserved stationary steam engine in the U.S. It > >> was saved from scrapping literally by the Stationary Engine List. If > >> some of us could chip in some money and help it get moved this year, > >> I'll have most of her back together next year and finally after all > >> these years we can see this mechanical marvel in all of its splendid > >> beauty. > >> > >> Direct contributions can be made via paypal simply by sending it to > >> our paypal address which is paypal at todengine.org . From that I can > >> transfer the funds directly into our savings account. Or if you > >> would prefer to send a contribution our address is 2261 Hubbard Road, > >> Youngstown, OH 44505. > >> > >> Thank you all so very much. > >> > >> Rick Rowlands > >> Executive Director > >> Tod Engine Foundation > >> William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > >> Youngstown, OH > >> http://www.todengine.org/ > >> Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" > >> > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:59 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? > >> > >> > >>> Hi list, > >>> > >>> I agree with Curt. Rick has paypal set up for CD sales. Maybe he > >>> could add to it and allow us to donate online. I think a lot of us > >>> use paypal for auctions because it's quick and easy. For those > >>> without paypal accounts mail a check. Count me in Rick, and let me > >>> know how you want to do it. Direct donations sound good to me. > >>> Jeff Allen > >>> > >>> Curt wrote: > >>> > >>>> Rick, > >>>> Might it be possible to circumvent the effort that putting on the > >>>> Charity Auction presents? If you need money for the project just > >>>> _ask_, and tell us how much. How many are on the SEL right now? If > >>>> we each ante-up what's that work out to each? > >>>> Curt > >>>> > >>>> Tod Engine wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Who runs the ATIS Chairty Auctions? I was wondering if it would > >>>>> be possible to run a special charity auction to help raise some of > >>>>> the money to move the last few pieces of the Tod Engine from the > >>>>> mill. I estimate it will cost about $12,000 for the cranes and > >>>>> hauling, and I am hopeful to obtain a grant for a portion of that, > >>>>> but would need to raise the rest. > >>>>> > >>>>> This is really the last major hurdle to overcome in the > >>>>> restoration of the Tod Engine. We saved the old girl, purchased > >>>>> the land for the museum, moved 120 tons worth of parts last year > >>>>> and once these last parts, the 48 ton HP bedplate, 40 ton LP > >>>>> cylinder, 65 ton crankshaft and 8 ton HP cylinder, are moved to > >>>>> our site full scale reassembly of the engine can begin. > >>>>> > >>>>> I have several items that I could contribute to the chairty > >>>>> auction, and if a few other list members could contribute that > >>>>> would be great. The engine is related to steelmaking as well and I > >>>>> have several steel industry related items that my steel entuisuast > >>>>> friends would bid on as well. > >>>>> > >>>>> So who runs the chairt auctions and would this be a good enough > >>>>> reason to run a special auction? > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> SEL mailing list > >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SEL mailing list > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From todengine at zoominternet.net Wed Jun 8 13:58:30 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 16:58:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? References: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net><02b901c56a21$8a3ce9c0$a65bef18@pengy><42A5EB35.7030809@imc-group.com> <42A626E1.40202@earthlink.net><048e01c56bd1$33d57050$a65bef18@pengy><00c201c56bfa$e015faa0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><42A726B2.7070505@imc-group.com> <000901c56c57$9eecc9c0$151c7546@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <052001c56c6c$d30030c0$a65bef18@pengy> Foundations like to see board of directors, mission statements, annual reports, long range plans etc. before they fork over dollars, and even if you have all of that in this area the limited amount of money available is being fought over by much more worthy causes like soup kitchens, homeless shelters, half way houses etc. I don't have much in the way of mission statements and plans to show. Just don't have the time to put on paper what I can see clearly in my head and don't have the money to pay a consultant to come up with something. Thanks everyone for the contributions so far! Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? > keep the political bs out of this list. > > Tom > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:11 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? > > >> Ya know Reg, their are foundations with staff that work hard to give >> money away to organizations like historical groups. One that comes to >> mind is the Bill Gates Foundation. Our Pres. might be just a tad busy at >> the moment attacking our personal rights/freedoms under the guise of >> anti-terrorism, so contacting those organizations might yield more >> satisfying results. I don't have a clue how to go about finding these >> organizations, but there are a lot of them with lots of money to give > away. >> Curt Holland >> >> R & M Ingold wrote: >> >> > I know I am the other side of the world but, Have you contacted the >> > President? >> > When the chips are down, go to the top with a clear, concise >> > statement. No flam, just the good facts. >> > Also, contact the 'media' and get them on your side. >> > You have a TOP news story there. >> > Worked right, it should bring in more than you will ever need. >> > Thats my two cents worth. >> > Reg & Marg Ingold. >> > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> > randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" >> > >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:24 PM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? >> > >> > >> >> Curt, Jeff and the rest of the SEL List, >> >> >> >> If you would like to contribute directly to the Tod Engine Project >> >> that would be very much appreciated. I am not comfortable with >> >> asking for money, those who have been on the list for years know that >> >> I do not usually solicit contributions. >> >> >> >> There is approximately $800 in our accounts at this moment. When >> >> that amount reaches $5,000 then I'll contact the rigging company and >> >> have them put me in their schedule. I estimate the total cost to be >> >> about $11,000 or $12,000. Our bill for moving four parts last year >> >> and cranes for three days was $8,600. There are four more parts to >> >> move this time but since the crankshaft wieghs so much its going to >> >> cost $2,500 just to truck it the 6 miles to our property. So >> >> assuming the crane time stays the same the cost will be just over >> >> $11,000. >> >> >> >> The Tod Engine Works casting business has been a tremendous help and >> >> the money that we've made from that has allowed me to pour 18 yards >> >> of concrete and buy 8 or 9 tri axle loads of slag fill so far. >> >> Casting sales over the next couple of months may bring in $1,000 to >> >> $1,500 towards our goal. >> >> >> >> You all know that I don't ask for contributions very often, so for me >> >> to ask it must be important. The Tod Engine is the only Historic >> >> Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark in the world, one of >> >> only three existing rolling mill steam engines in North America, and >> >> perhaps the largest preserved stationary steam engine in the U.S. It >> >> was saved from scrapping literally by the Stationary Engine List. If >> >> some of us could chip in some money and help it get moved this year, >> >> I'll have most of her back together next year and finally after all >> >> these years we can see this mechanical marvel in all of its splendid >> >> beauty. >> >> >> >> Direct contributions can be made via paypal simply by sending it to >> >> our paypal address which is paypal at todengine.org . From that I can >> >> transfer the funds directly into our savings account. Or if you >> >> would prefer to send a contribution our address is 2261 Hubbard Road, >> >> Youngstown, OH 44505. >> >> >> >> Thank you all so very much. >> >> >> >> Rick Rowlands >> >> Executive Director >> >> Tod Engine Foundation >> >> William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine >> >> Youngstown, OH >> >> http://www.todengine.org/ >> >> Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" >> >> >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:59 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi list, >> >>> >> >>> I agree with Curt. Rick has paypal set up for CD sales. Maybe he >> >>> could add to it and allow us to donate online. I think a lot of us >> >>> use paypal for auctions because it's quick and easy. For those >> >>> without paypal accounts mail a check. Count me in Rick, and let me >> >>> know how you want to do it. Direct donations sound good to me. >> >>> Jeff Allen >> >>> >> >>> Curt wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Rick, >> >>>> Might it be possible to circumvent the effort that putting on the >> >>>> Charity Auction presents? If you need money for the project just >> >>>> _ask_, and tell us how much. How many are on the SEL right now? If >> >>>> we each ante-up what's that work out to each? >> >>>> Curt >> >>>> >> >>>> Tod Engine wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Who runs the ATIS Chairty Auctions? I was wondering if it would >> >>>>> be possible to run a special charity auction to help raise some of >> >>>>> the money to move the last few pieces of the Tod Engine from the >> >>>>> mill. I estimate it will cost about $12,000 for the cranes and >> >>>>> hauling, and I am hopeful to obtain a grant for a portion of that, >> >>>>> but would need to raise the rest. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> This is really the last major hurdle to overcome in the >> >>>>> restoration of the Tod Engine. We saved the old girl, purchased >> >>>>> the land for the museum, moved 120 tons worth of parts last year >> >>>>> and once these last parts, the 48 ton HP bedplate, 40 ton LP >> >>>>> cylinder, 65 ton crankshaft and 8 ton HP cylinder, are moved to >> >>>>> our site full scale reassembly of the engine can begin. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I have several items that I could contribute to the chairty >> >>>>> auction, and if a few other list members could contribute that >> >>>>> would be great. The engine is related to steelmaking as well and I >> >>>>> have several steel industry related items that my steel entuisuast >> >>>>> friends would bid on as well. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> So who runs the chairt auctions and would this be a good enough >> >>>>> reason to run a special auction? >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> SEL mailing list >> >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> SEL mailing list >> >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jun 8 14:25:10 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 07:25:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New Toy References: <010001c56c29$de3680e0$23731dd3@fred> Message-ID: <02f401c56c70$8f0edca0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> contact Hans Jensen.He has one. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:59 PM Subject: [SEL] New Toy > Hi All, > Went shopping t`day, > bought home a 2 1/2 hp. Schmitt , Circa 1895 ? > Missing carby, does anyone have any information on these engines? > Brian in Melbourne. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jun 8 18:52:21 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 11:52:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] List outage In-Reply-To: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <20050609015154.GVAK4114.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Spencer, Thanks for all the hard work keeping the list running :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Many apologies to ATIS users. The recent outage was of a spotty, on-again/off-again nature and was the result of many issues, culminating in my needing a new cable run across my property. A temporary cable was stretched across the ground and ATIS was back up about 4:00 pm this afternoon. Everything is running better now than it has in a week. Thanks for your patience, Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jun 8 19:49:53 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:49:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? In-Reply-To: <000901c56c57$9eecc9c0$151c7546@satx.rr.com> References: <200506051837440734.133039C9@heavyiron.atis.net> <02b901c56a21$8a3ce9c0$a65bef18@pengy> <42A5EB35.7030809@imc-group.com> <42A626E1.40202@earthlink.net> <048e01c56bd1$33d57050$a65bef18@pengy> <00c201c56bfa$e015faa0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <42A726B2.7070505@imc-group.com> <000901c56c57$9eecc9c0$151c7546@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050608224807.0d5234f0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Tom, You must be a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT! Lighten up a bit and you will enjoy life more! Dave At 02:26 PM 6/8/2005, you wrote: >keep the political bs out of this list. > >Tom >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Curt" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:11 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? > > > > Ya know Reg, their are foundations with staff that work hard to give > > money away to organizations like historical groups. One that comes to > > mind is the Bill Gates Foundation. Our Pres. might be just a tad busy at > > the moment attacking our personal rights/freedoms under the guise of > > anti-terrorism, so contacting those organizations might yield more > > satisfying results. I don't have a clue how to go about finding these > > organizations, but there are a lot of them with lots of money to give >away. > > Curt Holland > > > > R & M Ingold wrote: > > > > > I know I am the other side of the world but, Have you contacted the > > > President? > > > When the chips are down, go to the top with a clear, concise > > > statement. No flam, just the good facts. > > > Also, contact the 'media' and get them on your side. > > > You have a TOP news story there. > > > Worked right, it should bring in more than you will ever need. > > > Thats my two cents worth. > > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" > > > > > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:24 PM > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? > > > > > > > > >> Curt, Jeff and the rest of the SEL List, > > >> > > >> If you would like to contribute directly to the Tod Engine Project > > >> that would be very much appreciated. I am not comfortable with > > >> asking for money, those who have been on the list for years know that > > >> I do not usually solicit contributions. > > >> > > >> There is approximately $800 in our accounts at this moment. When > > >> that amount reaches $5,000 then I'll contact the rigging company and > > >> have them put me in their schedule. I estimate the total cost to be > > >> about $11,000 or $12,000. Our bill for moving four parts last year > > >> and cranes for three days was $8,600. There are four more parts to > > >> move this time but since the crankshaft wieghs so much its going to > > >> cost $2,500 just to truck it the 6 miles to our property. So > > >> assuming the crane time stays the same the cost will be just over > > >> $11,000. > > >> > > >> The Tod Engine Works casting business has been a tremendous help and > > >> the money that we've made from that has allowed me to pour 18 yards > > >> of concrete and buy 8 or 9 tri axle loads of slag fill so far. > > >> Casting sales over the next couple of months may bring in $1,000 to > > >> $1,500 towards our goal. > > >> > > >> You all know that I don't ask for contributions very often, so for me > > >> to ask it must be important. The Tod Engine is the only Historic > > >> Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark in the world, one of > > >> only three existing rolling mill steam engines in North America, and > > >> perhaps the largest preserved stationary steam engine in the U.S. It > > >> was saved from scrapping literally by the Stationary Engine List. If > > >> some of us could chip in some money and help it get moved this year, > > >> I'll have most of her back together next year and finally after all > > >> these years we can see this mechanical marvel in all of its splendid > > >> beauty. > > >> > > >> Direct contributions can be made via paypal simply by sending it to > > >> our paypal address which is paypal at todengine.org . From that I can > > >> transfer the funds directly into our savings account. Or if you > > >> would prefer to send a contribution our address is 2261 Hubbard Road, > > >> Youngstown, OH 44505. > > >> > > >> Thank you all so very much. > > >> > > >> Rick Rowlands > > >> Executive Director > > >> Tod Engine Foundation > > >> William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > > >> Youngstown, OH > > >> http://www.todengine.org/ > > >> Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" > > >> > > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:59 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction for Tod Engine?? > > >> > > >> > > >>> Hi list, > > >>> > > >>> I agree with Curt. Rick has paypal set up for CD sales. Maybe he > > >>> could add to it and allow us to donate online. I think a lot of us > > >>> use paypal for auctions because it's quick and easy. For those > > >>> without paypal accounts mail a check. Count me in Rick, and let me > > >>> know how you want to do it. Direct donations sound good to me. > > >>> Jeff Allen > > >>> > > >>> Curt wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Rick, > > >>>> Might it be possible to circumvent the effort that putting on the > > >>>> Charity Auction presents? If you need money for the project just > > >>>> _ask_, and tell us how much. How many are on the SEL right now? If > > >>>> we each ante-up what's that work out to each? > > >>>> Curt > > >>>> > > >>>> Tod Engine wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Who runs the ATIS Chairty Auctions? I was wondering if it would > > >>>>> be possible to run a special charity auction to help raise some of > > >>>>> the money to move the last few pieces of the Tod Engine from the > > >>>>> mill. I estimate it will cost about $12,000 for the cranes and > > >>>>> hauling, and I am hopeful to obtain a grant for a portion of that, > > >>>>> but would need to raise the rest. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> This is really the last major hurdle to overcome in the > > >>>>> restoration of the Tod Engine. We saved the old girl, purchased > > >>>>> the land for the museum, moved 120 tons worth of parts last year > > >>>>> and once these last parts, the 48 ton HP bedplate, 40 ton LP > > >>>>> cylinder, 65 ton crankshaft and 8 ton HP cylinder, are moved to > > >>>>> our site full scale reassembly of the engine can begin. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I have several items that I could contribute to the chairty > > >>>>> auction, and if a few other list members could contribute that > > >>>>> would be great. The engine is related to steelmaking as well and I > > >>>>> have several steel industry related items that my steel entuisuast > > >>>>> friends would bid on as well. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> So who runs the chairt auctions and would this be a good enough > > >>>>> reason to run a special auction? > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> SEL mailing list > > >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> SEL mailing list > > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >>> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> SEL mailing list > > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From skipl at montana.com Wed Jun 8 21:14:59 2005 From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:14:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re:cool spring show References: Message-ID: <42A7C243.9774079F@montana.com> i'm leaving the list for awhile, been a lurker most of the time anyhow. hope to see some of you at cool spring on the 17th. skip in nw montana Richard Strobel wrote: > As the show season is well on it's way, I would like to recruit photo's of > the old unique iron that was on the belt. These go in my Webshots album, > "So Whad they use'm for." And as always ya'll can use them anyway you see > fit. > > Helen, could I put the Brick Crusher in the album..with proper credit > given of course?? That's pretty unique and never seen one before. > > Always nice to get guestbook entries in regards to the albums I have; > > Makes the heart a little warmer..here it is: > > People are talking about your photos! > > On June 8 [barnchaser] viewed your album entitled > "So Whad They Use'm For ? "Domestic Applications"" and wrote: > > ---------------- > What a very interesting series of albums! Believe it or not, as a girl we > used an old belt saw with a huge round blade (about 3 ft. in diameter) to > cut our firewood. The 6 inch wide belt was hooked around the rear axel of > an old, undriveable car with the rear end supported on blocks. Sure made > fast work of the huge stacks of slab wood left on the property by previous > logging operations through our forests. We also used an old style hand pump > to draw our water from a 24 ft deep well. In hindsight, it's noteworthy that > this was located just 30 miles out of Washington, D.C. in the 1960's. Those > forests are long gone to make way for crowded housing developments and > shopping malls. Sigh... Charlotte, now in El Paso, TX where > overdevelopment is threatening to expend the last vestiges of the one paved > "country road" still in the area. > ---------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Jun 8 13:03:48 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:03:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Lamport Show References: <429EE001.12C7619B@insulate.co.uk> <000501c56bc4$7cdac000$98668645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: <42A74F24.3C6BFCCF@insulate.co.uk> Hi Mike Fortunately, Northamptonshire doesn't have an anthem ... Apart from "Ballad of the Speed Camera". Dolly Mike Royster wrote: > Did anyone sing a national anthem of any kind? Ahhhhhh > Portland........... -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Jun 9 05:22:02 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 12:22:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT - Pocket Watch - Off Topic Message-ID: Was there someone on the SEL that rebuilds or collects pocket watches? Seems there was an expert here. If so could you contact me off list please. Thanks. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From BillMil357 at aol.com Thu Jun 9 06:16:10 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:16:10 EDT Subject: [SEL] Siam Show, Evansville, IN. Message-ID: <87.294d6b34.2fd99b1a@aol.com> Hey Men, It is 8:15 Thursday morning and my wife and I are leaving Memphis, TN. in a few minutes, heading for the SIAM show, hope to se a bunch of you there. See'ya, Bill Miller Memphis, TN. From marvhed at ecenet.com Thu Jun 9 06:45:55 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:45:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Ole Berge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65393.199.62.0.252.1118324755.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> i just heard from Jerry Swedberg that Ole Berge,(Mr hot air engine of Lake Itasca, Minnesota), died last saturday and his funeral was yesterday. Ole has built a number of full size hot air engines from the patent drawings and was the cornerstone of the Lake Itasca hot air engine meets. a pic of Ole can be seen at: http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/pic_Ctn1.htm marv in minn From howard.bottles at austin.ppdi.com Thu Jun 9 07:43:45 2005 From: howard.bottles at austin.ppdi.com (Howard Bottles) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 09:43:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Engine HP Message-ID: <42A855A1.5040800@austin.ppdi.com> Does anyone know how many HP that a Wisconsin AEH engine is?? Also, i';m trying to find out how old this engine is, is there a serial # listing anywhere on the net?? thanks Howard ______________________________________________________________________ This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or a person responsible for delivering this transmission to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this transmission and that any disclosure, copying, printing, distribution or use of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or return email and delete the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving in any manner. From bmvid at snet.net Thu Jun 9 13:09:38 2005 From: bmvid at snet.net (Mick DeMaria) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:09:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Engine HP In-Reply-To: <42A855A1.5040800@austin.ppdi.com> References: <42A855A1.5040800@austin.ppdi.com> Message-ID: <42A8A202.7030009@snet.net> Hi Howard: Try the asecc site. http://www.asecc.com/data/wisconsin-models.html Mick Howard Bottles wrote: > Does anyone know how many HP that a Wisconsin AEH engine is?? Also, i';m > trying to find out how old this engine is, is there a serial # listing > anywhere on the net?? > > thanks > Howard > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email > messages attached to it may contain information that is confidential or > legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or a person > responsible for delivering this transmission to the intended recipient, > you are hereby notified that you must not read this transmission and > that any disclosure, copying, printing, distribution or use of this > transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission > in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or return email > and delete the original transmission and its attachments without reading > or saving in any manner. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From howard.bottles at austin.ppdi.com Thu Jun 9 13:42:21 2005 From: howard.bottles at austin.ppdi.com (Howard Bottles) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:42:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Engine HP In-Reply-To: <42A8A202.7030009@snet.net> References: <42A855A1.5040800@austin.ppdi.com> <42A8A202.7030009@snet.net> Message-ID: <42A8A9AD.9020703@austin.ppdi.com> Thanks for that link, that is exactly what I was looking for !! Howard Mick DeMaria wrote: > Hi Howard: Try the asecc site. > > http://www.asecc.com/data/wisconsin-models.html > > Mick > > > > Howard Bottles wrote: > >> Does anyone know how many HP that a Wisconsin AEH engine is?? Also, >> i';m trying to find out how old this engine is, is there a serial # >> listing anywhere on the net?? >> >> thanks >> Howard >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email >> messages attached to it may contain information that is confidential or >> legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or a person >> responsible for delivering this transmission to the intended recipient, >> you are hereby notified that you must not read this transmission and >> that any disclosure, copying, printing, distribution or use of this >> transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >> transmission >> in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or return >> email >> and delete the original transmission and its attachments without reading >> or saving in any manner. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ______________________________________________________________________ This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or a person responsible for delivering this transmission to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this transmission and that any disclosure, copying, printing, distribution or use of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or return email and delete the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving in any manner. From FRM8198 at aol.com Thu Jun 9 15:04:19 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 18:04:19 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?[SEL]=20International=20LB=201=BD=20-2=BD=20HP=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Oiling=20Questions?= Message-ID: <99.60243156.2fda16e3@aol.com> Hi List, One of the IHC LB engine I have came to me in a basket condition. The previous owner had removed the valve oiler pipe and wick. I need to know where I can get wicking and how to install it? When I removed the hand hole cover, I noticed that there was wicking material wrapped around the governor weights. This wicking material was removed. I don't know from where this wicking came. There was about three cups full of oil soaked wicking. Is this wicking required? I didn't see any of this wicking called out in the LB Operator's Manual. The connecting rod journal on the crankshaft seems to have a drilled oil passage to get oil to the connecting rod bearing. How does the oil get to this passage? The Operator's Manual is very vague in this area. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Jun 10 05:49:50 2005 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:19:50 +0930 Subject: [SEL] happy birthday Message-ID: <000601c56dba$e4da3ee0$adcb8890@chaos> Nikolaus August Otto Born 10 June 1832; died 26 Jan 1891. German engineer who developed the four-stroke internal-combustion engine, which offered the first practical alternative to the steam engine as a power source. A French engineer, Alphonse Beau de Rochas, formulated the basic design for the four-stroke internal combustion engine and patented it in 1862, but never built a working model. In 1876, Otto used principles from Beau de Rochas and others to construct the prototype of today's automobile engines, often called the Otto-cycle engine. He sold thousands of copies before Beau de Rochas sued him and invalidated Otto's patent. But light, efficient Otto-cycle engines largely enabled the creation of automobiles, powerboats, motorcycles and even airplanes. From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Jun 10 11:54:02 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:54:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lamport Show In-Reply-To: <42A74F24.3C6BFCCF@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Ahhhh, the Speed Camera! Every small hamlet in the USA needs one of those. Sweet thing and I got stung several times in Thames last summer before we realized that when the light flashes you're CAUGHT ! Steve >From: Jim French >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Lamport Show >Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:03:48 +0100 > >Hi Mike > >Fortunately, Northamptonshire doesn't have an anthem ... Apart from "Ballad >of the Speed Camera". > >Dolly > >Mike Royster wrote: > > > Did anyone sing a national anthem of any kind? Ahhhhhh > > Portland........... > > > >-- >Jim French >fbi at insulate.co.uk >http://www.insulate.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Jun 10 12:14:27 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:14:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE:Old Concrete Mixer In-Reply-To: <200506050248.j552mUip050266@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Hi, My neighbor just found an old concrete mixer and will be hauling it home this weekend. It's a CMC Thoromix by Construction Machinery Co, Waterloo Iowa. Does anyone have any info or pictures on these that we could use for restoration purposes. Thanks, Steve Royster From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Jun 10 12:21:05 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:21:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] happy birthday In-Reply-To: <000601c56dba$e4da3ee0$adcb8890@chaos> References: <000601c56dba$e4da3ee0$adcb8890@chaos> Message-ID: <89a285b87ac81ea63e684f552c2e8cc3@chartertn.net> Yesterday was Les Paul's 90th birthday. He's still doing gigs at 8:00 and 10:00 every Monday night at the Iridium Jazz Club in New York City. The world's a better place for Otto engines and Les Paul guitars. :-) John On Jun 10, 2005, at 8:49 AM, derek wrote: > Nikolaus August Otto Born 10 June 1832; died 26 Jan 1891. > German engineer who developed the four-stroke internal-combustion > engine, which offered the first practical alternative to the steam > engine as a power source. A French engineer, Alphonse Beau de Rochas, > formulated the basic design for the four-stroke internal combustion > engine and patented it in 1862, but never built a working model. In > 1876, Otto used principles from Beau de Rochas and others to construct > the prototype of today's automobile engines, often called the > Otto-cycle engine. He sold thousands of copies before Beau de Rochas > sued him and invalidated Otto's patent. But light, efficient > Otto-cycle engines largely enabled the creation of automobiles, > powerboats, motorcycles and even airplanes. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri Jun 10 17:27:27 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 20:27:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Fund References: <42A6770D.8000801@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008801c56e1c$58acb3a0$a65bef18@pengy> I've recieved about $500 in donations thus far from the request made a few days ago. Thanks so much to everyone who has contributed, and for those who have not yet done so, we can still use some additional funds to help with moving the parts later this summer. Come on guys and gals, we really need your help to get this engine back together! Thanks again! Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:41 AM Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Fund > Hi all, > > Just made my contribution. Not a lot but multiplied by the list it should > meet the goal. About the same amount I sent to Paul last year for the > Internal Fire Museum, and I doubt I'll ever see that one. Maybe I'll see > the Tod engine one day. Give if you can for a good cause. > > Rick said in part: > >> I am not comfortable with asking for money, those who have been on the >> list for years know that I do not usually solicit contributions. > > Let's help him finish it up boys and girls. > > Jeff Allen > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jun 11 05:21:44 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 06:21:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] How they do that? Message-ID: Howdy all; The other day I noticed this very kewl antiquing job on this old cast iron radiator. Have they just dabbed gold paint on the high spots or is there a better way of doing this? On a smaller version, I'd like to cool the Universal Genset with this setup. picture at; http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/366476545gjJkmi TIA RickinMt. From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Jun 11 14:59:36 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 14:59:36 Subject: [SEL] FF engine dating? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050611145936.009aa9e8@127.0.0.1> Hi all, Can anyone help in dating a Danish FF engine. I'm making a brass plate for someone whose is missing. I have the following details off another identical engine: No. = 14722 H.P. = 6-7 R.P.M. = 8/990 Year = 1959 The one I need to date has an engine number of 15194 (472 engines later than the above) so I assume that it would either be a 1959 or 1960 engine. I would appreciate if anyone could pinpoint it. This is one of the few manufacturers that I have come across who actually put a date on the makers plate. If only more had done so it would make these things so much easier to research ! Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From ivancou at alltel.net Fri Jun 10 18:38:26 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 21:38:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Engine HP References: <42A855A1.5040800@austin.ppdi.com> Message-ID: <004e01c56e26$43678ec0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Howard , I ran across an article on Gibson Mfg that says the AEH was 6 hp . Ivan http://home.bluegrass.net/~dbaas/History.html From cuz904_99 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 12 09:56:12 2005 From: cuz904_99 at yahoo.com (John E. Hart) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytag engine Help Message-ID: <20050612165612.87425.qmail@web50910.mail.yahoo.com> All: I have a 1924 Maytag engine, it will run for about two or three strokes then stop. I have put a new spark plug in and fresh gas. My final results are the same. Does anyone have any good suggestions? Thanks, John Hart Mentone, Indiana __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sun Jun 12 10:24:53 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:24:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Maytag engine Help References: <20050612165612.87425.qmail@web50910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a401c56f73$a6f7ff80$a0426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Possibly a stuck check valve in the fuel tank. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John E. Hart" To: Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:56 AM Subject: [SEL] Maytag engine Help > All: I have a 1924 Maytag engine, it will run for > about two or three strokes then stop. I have put a new > spark plug in and fresh gas. My final results are the > same. Does anyone have any good suggestions? > > Thanks, > > John Hart > Mentone, Indiana > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Jun 12 10:50:14 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 13:50:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag engine Help Message-ID: <20050612.135014.1340.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi John, Sounds lik e fuel delivery problem. Take the carb off and make sure the delivery tube and check ball is working properly. It should be free of obstructions and letting gas TO the carb and NOT back into the tank. If you shake the carb with the tube attached you should be able to hear the check ball rattle. Hope this is your problem Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From solarrog at pacbell.net Sun Jun 12 11:29:22 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:29:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] maytag help Message-ID: <01a801c56f7c$aa3a4320$afca7043@D6R3D961> Just keep kicking on it sooner or latter is will start I will know you we do finally meet at a swap meet. You will be the one with the huge leg lol. and checking the check valve is a good thing. did you try priming at the spark plugs Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Website; scrapologist.com Ham Radio; KG6QKZ Fremont,Ca From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Jun 12 14:44:28 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 07:44:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Maytag engine Help References: <20050612165612.87425.qmail@web50910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004201c56f9a$894eb290$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Shuddup Dave!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "John E. Hart" To: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:56 AM Subject: [SEL] Maytag engine Help > All: I have a 1924 Maytag engine, it will run for > about two or three strokes then stop. I have put a new > spark plug in and fresh gas. My final results are the > same. Does anyone have any good suggestions? > > Thanks, > > John Hart > Mentone, Indiana > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Jun 12 16:40:42 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:40:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT-Amish Restraint Laws In-Reply-To: <016f01c56b93$30092f40$611117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <20050607115444.6267.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> <42A5D93F.6070905@scrtc.com> <016f01c56b93$30092f40$611117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <42ACC7FA.408@steamengine.com.au> That just has to be simple discrimination - if it names them as a group then how could it stand up in court? That would be like saying Catholics are not allowed to build houses - just as wrong, but more likely to cause a huge outcry. So much for it being the home of the free. Paul Steve W. wrote: > Tommy, > Some very good points in that post. Most of the Amish in this area are > all good folks. The problem is that the new laws as enacted are based > solely on the people being Amish, NOT poor craftsmen or bad folks. The > new codes specify Amish by name not just stating that you cannot use > ungraded lumber or must use treated lumber. The local Amish will build > entirely using store bought lumber if you want them to. > > > Steve Williams -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 11/06/2005 From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Jun 12 17:04:17 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:04:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] maytag help Message-ID: <20050612.200735.564.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Roger, Now that you said, "You will be the one with the huge leg" reminds me of when I had my 1950 80" Shovel / Pan Harley. THe muscles in my right leg were getting pretty hard. Had perspiration stains all over the exhaust also. Thanks for the memories. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From solarrog at pacbell.net Sun Jun 12 17:23:10 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:23:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] maytag help References: <20050612.200735.564.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <000501c56fae$16089120$afca7043@D6R3D961> Joe sweat is ok, Tears are not Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Website; scrapologist.com Ham Radio; KG6QKZ Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] maytag help > Hi Roger, > > Now that you said, "You will be the one with the huge leg" > reminds me of when I had my 1950 80" Shovel / Pan Harley. > THe muscles in my right leg were getting pretty hard. > Had perspiration stains all over the exhaust also. > > Thanks for the memories. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Jun 12 17:42:50 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:42:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Recovery of a Ruston PB SNo. 227936 Message-ID: <42ACD68A.6040900@steamengine.com.au> Yesterday, the job of rescuing Ruston Hornsby PB SNo. 227936 from the forest was completed... the ugly little monster is now sitting in the trailer at home. For the original story and photos of the engine... http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/rh-pb3/index.html Or if you just want to cut to the chase! http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/rh-pb3/index.html#June_2005_Update Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 11/06/2005 From ivancou at alltel.net Sun Jun 12 18:21:56 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 21:21:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT-Amish Restraint Laws References: <20050607115444.6267.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> <42A5D93F.6070905@scrtc.com><016f01c56b93$30092f40$611117d1@net.telenet.net> <42ACC7FA.408@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <003a01c56fb6$49fee620$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Paul , Trouble is they won't fight back and the local powers know it . Example ,I've been dealing with them the last year buying steel siding for a expansion on my garage. A guy gave them a bad check for some steel siding , they tried calling but he wouldn't answer his phone or his door. So I took the guys phone number and ran it on the internet , it was a cell phone . So chances are he's using the caller id to screen his calls. I explained it to Danny that he should go to the local magistrate and file a complaint and they would get him his money . No ,he'd rather just write it off on his books than do that . The check was only for $ 200 ,but thats still $200 . ? Thats their way. The ones I've been dealing with are really nice people who are hard working craftsmen and are gaining quite a reputation for their work . Ivan From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Jun 12 18:47:59 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:47:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT-Amish Restraint Laws In-Reply-To: <003a01c56fb6$49fee620$6401a8c0@alltel.net> References: <20050607115444.6267.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> <42A5D93F.6070905@scrtc.com><016f01c56b93$30092f40$611117d1@net.telenet.net> <42ACC7FA.408@steamengine.com.au> <003a01c56fb6$49fee620$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Message-ID: <42ACE5CF.7040703@steamengine.com.au> Don't forget the ones close to our hearts.... Cattail foundry is Amish isn't it? Paul ivan wrote: > Paul , Trouble is they won't fight back and the local powers know it . > Example ,I've been dealing with them the last year buying steel siding for > a expansion on my garage. A guy gave them a bad check for some steel siding > , they tried calling but he wouldn't answer his phone or his door. So I took > the guys phone number and ran it on the internet , it was a cell phone . So > chances are he's using the caller id to screen his calls. I explained it to > Danny that he should go to the local magistrate and file a complaint and > they would get him his money . No ,he'd rather just write it off on his > books than do that . The check was only for $ 200 ,but thats still $200 . > ? Thats their way. The ones I've been dealing with are really nice > people who are hard working craftsmen and are gaining quite a reputation for > their work . Ivan > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 11/06/2005 From todengine at zoominternet.net Sun Jun 12 19:11:51 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:11:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT-Amish Restraint Laws References: <20050607115444.6267.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> <42A5D93F.6070905@scrtc.com><016f01c56b93$30092f40$611117d1@net.telenet.net> <42ACC7FA.408@steamengine.com.au><003a01c56fb6$49fee620$6401a8c0@alltel.net> <42ACE5CF.7040703@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <005801c56fbd$4330f070$a65bef18@pengy> I was speaking with an Amish man who stopped by the Tod Engine last weekend and he says that Cattail is so busy with their existing work that they have stopped advertising. That's real good news for me, as I need some of that work to head my way! Maybe I need to start advertising!! Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works "Iron and Bronze Casting Services" 100 South Bridge Street Bldg. F Struthers, OH 44471 http://www.todengine.org/engineworks.html 330-728-2799 All proceeds from Casting Sales benefit restoration of the historic Tod Steam Engine! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT-Amish Restraint Laws > Don't forget the ones close to our hearts.... Cattail foundry is Amish > isn't it? > > Paul > > ivan wrote: >> Paul , Trouble is they won't fight back and the local powers know it . >> Example ,I've been dealing with them the last year buying steel siding >> for >> a expansion on my garage. A guy gave them a bad check for some steel >> siding >> , they tried calling but he wouldn't answer his phone or his door. So I >> took >> the guys phone number and ran it on the internet , it was a cell phone . >> So >> chances are he's using the caller id to screen his calls. I explained it >> to >> Danny that he should go to the local magistrate and file a complaint and >> they would get him his money . No ,he'd rather just write it off on his >> books than do that . The check was only for $ 200 ,but thats still $200 . >> ? Thats their way. The ones I've been dealing with are really nice >> people who are hard working craftsmen and are gaining quite a reputation >> for >> their work . Ivan >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 11/06/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Jun 12 19:28:19 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:28:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally Message-ID: <20050613022819.TGMH27377.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Home again after another excellent weekend. I left home Friday and after a 6 hour drive arrived in Manilla at sunset. I unloaded the 5.5hp Buzacott and went to set up camp. I drove up to town to get something to eat and found the ultimate convenience store, a combined fruit & vegetable/ caf?/ bottle shop! Well supplied I headed back to our camp where we had a great night telling lies around the fire. Saturday the engines were uncovered (and more arrived). There was a huge number and astonishing array of engines. There was well over 150 engines as well as a big display of steam and lots of tractors. There were a couple of early Crossleys, Hornsbys, an Akroyd, Tangyes, Hercules, various IHC, Associateds, and many more. My favourite, and probably the rarest thing there, was a San Francisco Hercules. I have only seen one other of these in the flesh and was amazed to see one running. Very impressive. Late Saturday afternoon it started to rain but there were no complaints as the area is suffering from a long draught. We weatherproofed our camping area and headed off to the dinner where there was a big crowd and a good meal. Saturday night was spent sheltering from the rain around the fire and telling more lies ;) It rained off and on during the night and there were a few more showers on Sunday. The Buzacott ran fine on Saturday but come Sunday morning it would not start. Lack of spark was found to be the problem. The engine had a modern automotive lead on it which was there when I bought it and I had been meaning to replace it.... The damp weather caused a complete failure but a new lead and the engine started first pull. At midday I decided to grab a break between the showers and load up for the long trip home getting home after dark Sunday night. I took 200 photos on Saturday and more on Sunday but my second memory card decided to have a fit and I lost the Sunday photos :( Manilla put on one of the best rallies I have been to and I will certainly be there next time. I will put some photos up when I finish sorting them out. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Jun 12 22:12:21 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:12:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally In-Reply-To: <20050613022819.TGMH27377.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <20050613051219.JMLF4114.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Pictures can now be found at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man051.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From gibsongus at myway.com Sun Jun 12 22:25:14 2005 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 01:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytag engine Help Message-ID: <20050613052514.4FED739F4@mprdmxin.myway.com> John if it is a twin {2cyl} the gas tank has to be{almost} air tight for it to work. Good luck,-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Sun 06/12, John E. Hart < cuz904_99 at yahoo.com > wrote: From: John E. Hart [mailto: cuz904_99 at yahoo.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:56:12 -0700 (PDT)Subject: [SEL] Maytag engine HelpAll: I have a 1924 Maytag engine, it will run forabout two or three strokes then stop. I have put a newspark plug in and fresh gas. My final results are thesame. Does anyone have any good suggestions? Thanks,John HartMentone, Indiana__________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jun 13 05:54:41 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 05:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question In-Reply-To: <005801c56fbd$4330f070$a65bef18@pengy> References: <20050607115444.6267.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> <42A5D93F.6070905@scrtc.com><016f01c56b93$30092f40$611117d1@net.telenet.net> <42ACC7FA.408@steamengine.com.au><003a01c56fb6$49fee620$6401a8c0@alltel.net> <42ACE5CF.7040703@steamengine.com.au> <005801c56fbd$4330f070$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <1544.165.206.180.144.1118667281.squirrel@antique-engines.com> I've used Lee W. Pedersen's gas tank sealer several times in the past and really like it. I've run tanks for 6 or 7 years with no failures and the stuff sticks great. Now the question - I have a car gas tank that is very scaly inside - chunks, pretty bad, yet still solid, not worried about leaks, just plugged fuel filters. I'm going to flush it out really well. Lee has no phone or fax listed, you must know what you want and order it. does anyone have any idea how much of this sort of sealer would be needed for a 16-18 gallon tank? 2 quarts? A gallon? You pour it in, shake and roll the tank to coat the inside then pour the excess out. I don't want to spend $100 for a gallon if 2 quarts would be plenty. Bill Runnells, Iowa (We can stop work on the ark now, the rain is nearly over..........) From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Jun 13 06:08:15 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:08:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Echuca Steam & Horse Festival 2005 - Report and Photos Message-ID: <42AD853F.6000608@steamengine.com.au> http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/echuca_vic_2005/index.html These are pictures from the 2005 Echuca Steam Horse Vintage Rally. This is one of my favourite rallies in the year and I try and get there every time. It is held on the Queens Birthday weekend in June each year in Echuca Victoria. The city is a famous river port with a rich steam history much of which comes out to play at this show. This year there was an excellent steam turnout. The weather started out poor, but fined up to a really nice couple of days. I was there on the Saturday. After a seven hour drive (why to people drive at 40 in 100 zones?) from Emerald to Echuca which should have taken 3 hours I was ready for the show... what was left of it. It was absolutely worth it, especially catching up with the crew of Moses again after so long. Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 11/06/2005 From brock at netspeed.com.au Mon Jun 13 06:23:58 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:23:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally References: <20050613051219.JMLF4114.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <001601c5701b$2a206080$5f11fea9@merlin> thanks for the pics Patrick Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; "'Stationary Engine Mailing List'" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 3:12 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Manilla Rally > Pictures can now be found at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man051.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Jun 13 06:35:45 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:35:45 EDT Subject: [SEL] Recovery of a Ruston PB SNo. 227936 Message-ID: <1a8.395ae170.2fdee5b1@aol.com> In a message dated 6/12/2005 9:06:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pjp at steamengine.com.au writes: << the ugly little monster is now sitting in the trailer at home. >> Paul, An "original" engine for sure!!! Enjoyed the write up. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From howard.bottles at austin.ppdi.com Mon Jun 13 06:39:29 2005 From: howard.bottles at austin.ppdi.com (Howard Bottles) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:39:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Engine HP In-Reply-To: <004e01c56e26$43678ec0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> References: <42A855A1.5040800@austin.ppdi.com> <004e01c56e26$43678ec0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Message-ID: <42AD8C91.7020400@austin.ppdi.com> Thanks for that link Howard ivan wrote: >Howard , I ran across an article on Gibson Mfg that says the AEH was 6 hp >. Ivan http://home.bluegrass.net/~dbaas/History.html > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > ______________________________________________________________________ This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or a person responsible for delivering this transmission to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this transmission and that any disclosure, copying, printing, distribution or use of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or return email and delete the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving in any manner. From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jun 13 06:52:37 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 06:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytag engine Help In-Reply-To: <20050613052514.4FED739F4@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050613052514.4FED739F4@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <1820.165.206.180.144.1118670757.squirrel@antique-engines.com> FYI - I believe a 1924 maytag will be a single cyl with the alum carb on the "back end". The twins started in the late 30's Actually, you won't want the tank airtight on a twin (or most engines), there is a vent hole that must be open. You want a decent seal between the crankcase and the tank, but it's not necessary to it running. The fuel is picked up into the block so the tank has little to do with it unless it's air-tight, then it could starve for fuel. John - here's a "me too" - check the check valve, be sure it works, check the "carb" to be sure it's clean. It's pretty simple so remove, check, fix and reinstall. Be sure the carb to block seal is good or it will suck air. Same if bushings are worn, it'll suck air. (Dave believes maytags always suck air anyway.........) Bill > John if it is a twin {2cyl} the gas tank has to be{almost} air tight for > it to work. Good luck,-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Sun 06/12, > John E. Hart < cuz904_99 at yahoo.com > wrote: > From: John E. Hart [mailto: cuz904_99 at yahoo.com]To: > sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:56:12 -0700 > (PDT)Subject: [SEL] Maytag engine HelpAll: I have a 1924 Maytag engine, it > will run forabout two or three strokes then stop. I have put a newspark > plug in and fresh gas. My final results are thesame. Does anyone have any > good suggestions? Thanks,John HartMentone, > Indiana__________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online > with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html_______________________________________________SEL > mailing > listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jun 13 07:49:26 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:49:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question In-Reply-To: <1544.165.206.180.144.1118667281.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <20050613144926.26431.qmail@web25508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Bill > does anyone have any idea how much of this sort of sealer would be needed > for a 16-18 gallon tank? 2 quarts? A gallon? I used a similar sort of gunge (Woolies Slosh Tank Sealant, manufactured by 3M) on my classic car in the UK. I used a quart of the stuff in a 14 (UK) gallon tank and it lasted for more than 15 years. Hope this helps. Regards Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Jun 13 08:12:23 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:12:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally In-Reply-To: <20050613051219.JMLF4114.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <200506131512.j5DFCPJu028362@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Pictures can now be found at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man051.html Hi Patrick, Thanks for sharing the pictures. Of particular interest was the picture of the H'royd. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man05/man05131.JPG On the side of the valve chest is a big red polyp. In another picture you zoomed in on it. What is it? Rob From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Jun 13 09:01:43 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:01:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question Message-ID: <20050613.120951.500.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Bill, Concerning Gas Tank Sealer - I don't mean to sway business away from Lee. Even at 2 qts. you're talking 60$ plus shipping. Being that you're going to remove the tank anyway - Why not put some aggrigate in it - some solvent and clean it out. Rinse it and dry it good and go with that. No Sealer. I don't know what a new tank might cost but I would think you're going to spend over half the price of a new one just sealing an old one. And - more work. Just my 2 cents Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jun 13 10:19:28 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question In-Reply-To: <20050613.120951.500.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050613.120951.500.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <2252.165.206.180.144.1118683168.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Joe - understand and appreciate. I've been washing/rinsing. I'm afraid since rust has started, not sealing it will only allow more rust and scale to develope and get into the gas. Not too worried about cost of repair since you can't buy these tanks - it's for a 1969 Javelin SST (not mine, my brother's) Looks like condensation got to it. Tank is off and sitting in my garage. I rinsed it with clear water 3 times Sunday. If I find a used tank, I'm probably looking at $200 - $300 for tank plus shipping. Then I wonder about condition since it will be at least 30 to 35 years old and from a parts car that has sat for how many years. So, it may not be perfect, but there is some logic perhaps in attempting to salvage a "know condition tank". I have considered simply giving it a very good cleaning, using rock, nuts n bolts, whatever, to swish around in there to break things loose. At this point, nothing is settled and I'm open to options such as yours! (besides, Scot will pretty much go along with whatever I tell him to do with it, he'd spend the money on it) I'm also of the thought that whatever comes of this, it will be an education for the next old engine I fix up! (like my Associated water cooled with the cool gas tank with the raised name, or my herc, or F&J, or whatever that has a steel tank) Bill > Hi Bill, > > Concerning Gas Tank Sealer - > I don't mean to sway business away from Lee. > Even at 2 qts. you're talking 60$ plus shipping. > > Being that you're going to remove the tank anyway - Why not > put some aggrigate in it - some solvent and clean it out. > > Rinse it and dry it good and go with that. No Sealer. > > I don't know what a new tank might cost but I would think you're going to > spend > over half the price of a new one just sealing an old one. > And - more work. > > Just my 2 cents > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Jun 13 11:01:41 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:01:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question Message-ID: <20050613.110141.101.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Bill. Have you given any thought to cutting a hole in the top of the tank where it cant be seen. Sand blast the inside of the tank clean and solder or braze the hole closed. This would give a clean tank at a low cost. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jun 13 11:06:10 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:06:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question In-Reply-To: <2252.165.206.180.144.1118683168.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <20050613.120951.500.2.jlb94@juno.com> <2252.165.206.180.144.1118683168.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <42ADCB12.8040409@imc-group.com> Bill, I think the tank sealer you are referring to is a white rubbery stuff that is not two part. You slosh it in the tank and pour out the excess. I'll tell you a story that may have you reconsidering using it. When I got my Abby tank the tank has been sloshed with the product you mention. For some reason it did not adhere and before long chunks were coming loose and clogging the fuel pick up line. I took the tank out and began a LONG process of soaking it in lacquer thinner to get the stuff loose. Then piece by piece I removed them thru the gas filler hole with a pair of needle nosed pliers. Once done and dried I used a 2 part gasoline proof epoxy to slosh the tank with. Joe (in Maine, can't think of his last name at the moment) used to sell it under the QuicPoly name. It is good stuff! I think it has changed hands and was sold under the XP2000 name for a while. I just tried and couldn't find it again on the net but did find this product. http://www.caswellplating.com/aids/epoxygas.htm I have had the 2 quarts of QuikPoly for a lot of years now and it is good stuff. I have used it on my Ford tractor gas tank and all the gas engine tanks as an extra insurance policy against leaks. So far it is still in place and working well. It is very thin like water and it allows you to slosh it all over the inside of the tank before it sets up. It sets in a couple of minutes so you better be quick about it. I believe your tank will have baffles within and the thick product you mentioned may well fill in the cross over holes. The thin QuikPoly is not as apt to do that. The this QuikPoly will also do an excellent job of tieing (sp?) up the loose rust and grit leaving you with a clean tank. Just my thoughts for what its' worth. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >Joe - understand and appreciate. I've been washing/rinsing. I'm afraid >since rust has started, not sealing it will only allow more rust and scale >to develope and get into the gas. >Not too worried about cost of repair since you can't buy these tanks - >it's for a 1969 Javelin SST (not mine, my brother's) >Looks like condensation got to it. >Tank is off and sitting in my garage. I rinsed it with clear water 3 times >Sunday. >If I find a used tank, I'm probably looking at $200 - $300 for tank plus >shipping. Then I wonder about condition since it will be at least 30 to 35 >years old and from a parts car that has sat for how many years. So, it may >not be perfect, but there is some logic perhaps in attempting to salvage a >"know condition tank". >I have considered simply giving it a very good cleaning, using rock, nuts >n bolts, whatever, to swish around in there to break things loose. >At this point, nothing is settled and I'm open to options such as yours! >(besides, Scot will pretty much go along with whatever I tell him to do >with it, he'd spend the money on it) > >I'm also of the thought that whatever comes of this, it will be an >education for the next old engine I fix up! (like my Associated water >cooled with the cool gas tank with the raised name, or my herc, or F&J, or >whatever that has a steel tank) > >Bill > > > >>Hi Bill, >> >>Concerning Gas Tank Sealer - >>I don't mean to sway business away from Lee. >>Even at 2 qts. you're talking 60$ plus shipping. >> >>Being that you're going to remove the tank anyway - Why not >>put some aggrigate in it - some solvent and clean it out. >> >>Rinse it and dry it good and go with that. No Sealer. >> >>I don't know what a new tank might cost but I would think you're going to >>spend >>over half the price of a new one just sealing an old one. >>And - more work. >> >>Just my 2 cents >> >>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >>jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz >> ,-._,-. "What I can do, >> \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) >> (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Jun 13 11:05:54 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:05:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally Message-ID: <20050613.110555.101.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Nice pictures as usual Patrick. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:12:21 +1000 "Patrick M Livingstone" writes: > Pictures can now be found at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man051.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sun Jun 12 23:17:06 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:17:06 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally References: <20050613051219.JMLF4114.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <000d01c56fdf$895227a0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Thanks for sharing the pics Patrick, it was good looking after wake-up and a nice cup of coffee. Interesting parts Brad was showing. Good to see Peter Lowe was still in perfect shape :o) John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Pictures can now be found at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man051.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jun 13 11:20:04 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:20:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SIAM? In-Reply-To: <200506131512.j5DFCPJu028362@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200506131512.j5DFCPJu028362@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <42ADCE54.50809@imc-group.com> Guys, How was the SIAM show? It really felt strange not going to Evansville this year and can't wait to hear about it and see some pictures. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From BillMil357 at aol.com Mon Jun 13 11:53:47 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:53:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] SIAM? Message-ID: <99.605bcc62.2fdf303b@aol.com> Hi Curt; Had a good time at the SIAM Show, My Sony that uses a 3 1/2 floppy disc, quit working and I took my daughters Sony that uses a memory stick, my daughter has gone to Florida on vacation and I don't know how to get my pictures off the stick, so that is where I am on pictures LOL. It rained quite a bit, we left Sun. morning and it rained all down across KY. until we hit TN. so it may have rained in Eville most of the day Sun. There were a lot of engines at the show. We had about 24 at the LOG INN for Dinner Fri. night and we sure missed your family. See'ya, Bill Miller. From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jun 13 12:13:18 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question In-Reply-To: <20050613.110141.101.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20050613.110141.101.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <2655.165.206.180.144.1118689998.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Actually, the thought has crossed my mind. I suspect it may be easier to cut and patch than clean the way it is....... I'm not ruling it out. They did that for the club's fire truck. Fellow cut in 3 holes and then put in flanges and screwed the covers to the flanges, looks factory! That fuel tank is nearly as wide as the truck. Bill > Hi Bill. > Have you given any thought to cutting a hole in the top of the tank where > it cant be seen. Sand blast the inside of the tank clean and solder or > braze the hole closed. This would give a clean tank at a low cost. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside California USA > http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Jun 13 12:14:13 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:14:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question In-Reply-To: <42ADCB12.8040409@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200506131914.j5DJEEHS001685@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > When I got my Abby tank the tank has been sloshed with the product > you mention. For some reason it did not adhere and before long > chunks were coming loose and clogging the fuel pick up line. Yep. I've had the same nasty results. >Once done and dried I used a 2 part gasoline > proof epoxy to slosh the tank with. Joe (in Maine, can't think of his > last name at the moment) Joe Kelley. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kelley/index.htm > I think it has changed hands and was sold under > the XP2000 name for a while. http://www.xp2000.com/ =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jun 13 12:36:24 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] SIAM? In-Reply-To: <42ADCE54.50809@imc-group.com> References: <200506131512.j5DFCPJu028362@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <42ADCE54.50809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, SIAM was a great show as always. I think the engine you needed to see was the Abanaque saw rig. Just awesome. Maybe 6 or 7 hp, buzz saw rig on one end, big pitman arm on one side that you could attach a drag saw blade to. That drag saw blade had to be 15' long. Wicked cool machine!! One neat pic was Glenn Karch (the real McCoy) standing between his Plesseville and my Robertsonville (two French Canadian copies of US engines - Herc & Waterloo). See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Curt wrote: > How was the SIAM show? It really felt strange not going to Evansville > this year and can't wait to hear about it and see some pictures. From falcon at telenet.net Mon Jun 13 12:48:00 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:48:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question References: <20050613.120951.500.2.jlb94@juno.com> <2252.165.206.180.144.1118683168.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <002e01c57050$ceb6aca0$931117d1@net.telenet.net> Bill, Beg, buy, borrow or steal a steam cleaner. Hit the inside of that tank REAL good with it. That will knock 90 percent of the crud out. Then use something like quick poly (XM2000) to coat the interior. OR take it to a radiator shop and have them boil it out and coat it. There are also places that specialize in gas tanks (Gas Tank Renu is one I know of) http://www.gastankrenu.com/welcome.htm I had a local one do a Scout tank after I made it out of steel. They bead blast the outside, steam clean the inside and coat both sides with special sealers. The one I had done turned out great. Price wise it was about 75.00 total. Lifetime guarantee as well. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question > Joe - understand and appreciate. I've been washing/rinsing. I'm afraid > since rust has started, not sealing it will only allow more rust and scale > to develope and get into the gas. > Not too worried about cost of repair since you can't buy these tanks - > it's for a 1969 Javelin SST (not mine, my brother's) > Looks like condensation got to it. > Tank is off and sitting in my garage. I rinsed it with clear water 3 times > Sunday. > If I find a used tank, I'm probably looking at $200 - $300 for tank plus > shipping. Then I wonder about condition since it will be at least 30 to 35 > years old and from a parts car that has sat for how many years. So, it may > not be perfect, but there is some logic perhaps in attempting to salvage a > "know condition tank". > I have considered simply giving it a very good cleaning, using rock, nuts > n bolts, whatever, to swish around in there to break things loose. > At this point, nothing is settled and I'm open to options such as yours! > (besides, Scot will pretty much go along with whatever I tell him to do > with it, he'd spend the money on it) > > I'm also of the thought that whatever comes of this, it will be an > education for the next old engine I fix up! (like my Associated water > cooled with the cool gas tank with the raised name, or my herc, or F&J, or > whatever that has a steel tank) > > Bill > > > Hi Bill, > > > > Concerning Gas Tank Sealer - > > I don't mean to sway business away from Lee. > > Even at 2 qts. you're talking 60$ plus shipping. > > > > Being that you're going to remove the tank anyway - Why not > > put some aggrigate in it - some solvent and clean it out. > > > > Rinse it and dry it good and go with that. No Sealer. > > > > I don't know what a new tank might cost but I would think you're going to > > spend > > over half the price of a new one just sealing an old one. > > And - more work. > > > > Just my 2 cents > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From don.h at wcoil.com Mon Jun 13 13:24:44 2005 From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:24:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question References: <20050613.120951.500.2.jlb94@juno.com> <2252.165.206.180.144.1118683168.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <002201c57055$efbc6700$152ea8c0@shuttle> Best thing to use I have found is a handfull of dry wall screws put in the tank and shake it will dislodge rust and scale fast then you can find all kinds of sealers in Hemmings magazine there all pretty much the same thing you get a qt put it in and slosh it around drain it out let it dry and do it again it will seal all dust and junk that you cant get out with your air hose ect dont flush the stuff out with water !!! you will have left over water in the seams and the sealer doesn^t like wet spots at all use something that will dry like gas or something that will dissapate by it self Don in Ohio From glenn.karch at gte.net Mon Jun 13 14:46:31 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:46:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SIAM? References: <200506131512.j5DFCPJu028362@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <42ADCE54.50809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004001c57061$5e3fb820$41b9123f@oemcomputer> Curt, At SIAM, we had a decent Friday, a wonderful Saturday and a complete rain out on Sunday. There were a lot of things to see and a lot more tractors than in the past. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:20 PM Subject: [SEL] SIAM? > Guys, > How was the SIAM show? It really felt strange not going to Evansville > this year and can't wait to hear about it and see some pictures. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Mon Jun 13 16:21:03 2005 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:21:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally In-Reply-To: <20050613051219.JMLF4114.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Hi Patrick, Looks like a great rally mate. Thanks for a top report and, as usual, a fantastic set of pics. Must try and get up there some day. Lyndsay >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" , > "'Stationary Engine Mailing List'" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Manilla Rally >Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:12:21 +1000 > >Pictures can now be found at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man051.html > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 13 17:15:22 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 10:15:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Kelly Duplex Message-ID: Hi All, still trying to find out some imformation on a kelly duplex no 30 mill [grister]. What i would like to know is what the original colour is and what the hopper was made out of ie wood or sheet steel. Any imformation would be much apprieciated as i would liketo restore this item for the up coming rally season. thanks Dave in oz _________________________________________________________________ Free wallpapers on Level 9 http://level9.ninemsn.com.au/default.aspx From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Jun 13 17:40:06 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:40:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Kelly Duplex Message-ID: <410-2200562140406125@coastalnet.com> Hi Dave, While I don't know the original colour/color, I do have an earlier catalog online at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ephemera/kelly.html Don't know if that will be helpful or not. Perhaps the early #3 is the same as your later #30. Take care. Ken Christison www.oldiron-nut.com www.gristmillers.com > [Original Message] > From: David Nicolson > To: > Date: 6/13/2005 8:15:22 PM > Subject: [SEL] Kelly Duplex > > Hi All, still trying to find out some imformation on a kelly duplex no 30 > mill [grister]. What i would like to know is what the original colour is and > what the hopper was made out of ie wood or sheet steel. Any imformation > would be much apprieciated as i would liketo restore this item for the up > coming rally season. thanks Dave in oz > > _________________________________________________________________ > Free wallpapers on Level 9 http://level9.ninemsn.com.au/default.aspx > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Jun 13 17:46:46 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:46:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] maytag help In-Reply-To: <20050612.200735.564.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050612.200735.564.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <5d136c077b4c9565e50445b43583d18f@chartertn.net> > Now that you said, "You will be the one with the huge leg" > reminds me of when I had my 1950 80" Shovel / Pan Harley. > THe muscles in my right leg were getting pretty hard. > Had perspiration stains all over the exhaust also. Been there, done that. Mine was a '63 FL. When I was riding it regularly and everything was just right, I'd give it one priming kick and one with the switch on, and it'd fire right up. Impressed bystanders. If I let it sit more than a few days, it'd get really cranky! I've worn myself to sweat-drenched exhaustion and ended up pushing it down a hill. If I didn't use at least third gear, it'd slide to a stop when I let out the clutch and I'd really cuss in despair. If someone tried it who forgot to retard the spark with the left handgrip, it'd launch 'em moonward. My brother got the heel kicked off of one of his shoes that way. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Jun 13 17:58:21 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:58:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question Message-ID: <20050613.205829.800.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Bill - I DO understand - I have recently run across a company called LMC Truck. They have tanks listed in their catalog ( about $200 ) for 1948 to 1972 Trucks. I'm thinking there MUST be a "circle" where someone is making replacements. Have you checked with J.C. Whitney (Yuck) and / or other antique suppliers ? Of course, in the end, you have to do what you have to do. = = = = = = I have a real nice bench seat that I picked up for my truck. Installed it and didn't like the way it sat. (Too cushy - Too Low ) Fixed up my old seat with awning material and installed it back today. Now I have a bench seat for sale. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 13 18:30:56 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:30:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Kelly Duplex In-Reply-To: <410-2200562140406125@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: thanks for the reply. My mill is different to the ones in the catologue, i presume it must be a later one. Hopefully someone outthere will be able to help me. once again thanks Ken. Dave in oz >From: "Ken Christison" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Kelly Duplex >Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:40:06 -0400 > >Hi Dave, > >While I don't know the original colour/color, I do have an earlier catalog >online at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ephemera/kelly.html >Don't know if that will be helpful or not. Perhaps the early #3 is the >same as >your later #30. > >Take care. > >Ken Christison >www.oldiron-nut.com >www.gristmillers.com > > > > [Original Message] > > From: David Nicolson > > To: > > Date: 6/13/2005 8:15:22 PM > > Subject: [SEL] Kelly Duplex > > > > Hi All, still trying to find out some imformation on a kelly duplex no >30 > > mill [grister]. What i would like to know is what the original colour is >and > > what the hopper was made out of ie wood or sheet steel. Any imformation > > would be much apprieciated as i would liketo restore this item for the >up > > coming rally season. thanks Dave in oz > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Free wallpapers on Level 9 http://level9.ninemsn.com.au/default.aspx > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Try Random Place the soap opera for your mobile 4 free. SMS the word TRY to 0415RANMDOM http://www.randomplace.com.au/ninemsn From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jun 13 19:17:39 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:17:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] happy birthday In-Reply-To: <89a285b87ac81ea63e684f552c2e8cc3@chartertn.net> References: <000601c56dba$e4da3ee0$adcb8890@chaos> <89a285b87ac81ea63e684f552c2e8cc3@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050613221650.0d5e7c98@mail.alltel.net> At 03:21 PM 6/10/2005, you wrote: >Yesterday was Les Paul's 90th birthday. He's still doing gigs at 8:00 and >10:00 every Monday night at the Iridium Jazz Club in New York City. >John Who the hell is Les Paul--and who the hell cares? Dave From lfevans at pacbell.net Mon Jun 13 19:18:32 2005 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:18:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New acquisition Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050613191804.026e3ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi...... My brother and I recently got hold of a really neat old air compressor on a big cart with tall steel wheels. At present it is powered by an electric 3 hp. three phase motor but the original LeRoi MH 3 power unit came along with it. The plan is to put the LeRoi back on the cart to power the compressor if it proves to be machanically sound. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/leroi/ to see some pictures of both units. It seems that literature is a little scarce for LeRoi engines and would like to know if what Ed at Hit and Miss Ent. has covers this model. It is a 2 cylinder upright hopper cooled machine in a factory made enclosure. I have not had time yet to look real close but it seems intact and externally everything seems in good shape and it is not stuck. Also would like to know approximate date of manufacture and horsepower and rpm for it. Since there are not too many pictures on the new web page I tried using thumbnails that are large enough to view in their own right but are clickable for larger images. I'd like to know if this works out o.k. for dial up connections or if I should go back to smaller thumbnails. Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jun 13 19:31:13 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:31:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question In-Reply-To: <42ADCB12.8040409@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200506140231.j5E2VHTT022664@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Here's the reply from the new company - xp2000: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hi Bill The chemical company changed the formula on us, so XP2000, at this time does not work well for tank sealer. We are woking on a solution, but to date we do not have a formula that would work. Sorry Dave - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Just in case anyone is wondering or looking for the replacement, forget it for fuel tanks at this time. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:06 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] semi- OTgas tank sealer question Bill, I think the tank sealer you are referring to is a white rubbery stuff that is not two part. You slosh it in the tank and pour out the excess. I'll tell you a story that may have you reconsidering using it. When I got my Abby tank the tank has been sloshed with the product you mention. For some reason it did not adhere and before long chunks were coming loose and clogging the fuel pick up line. I took the tank out and began a LONG process of soaking it in lacquer thinner to get the stuff loose. Then piece by piece I removed them thru the gas filler hole with a pair of needle nosed pliers. Once done and dried I used a 2 part gasoline proof epoxy to slosh the tank with. Joe (in Maine, can't think of his last name at the moment) used to sell it under the QuicPoly name. It is good stuff! I think it has changed hands and was sold under the XP2000 name for a while. I just tried and couldn't find it again on the net but did find this product. http://www.caswellplating.com/aids/epoxygas.htm I have had the 2 quarts of QuikPoly for a lot of years now and it is good stuff. I have used it on my Ford tractor gas tank and all the gas engine tanks as an extra insurance policy against leaks. So far it is still in place and working well. It is very thin like water and it allows you to slosh it all over the inside of the tank before it sets up. It sets in a couple of minutes so you better be quick about it. I believe your tank will have baffles within and the thick product you mentioned may well fill in the cross over holes. The thin QuikPoly is not as apt to do that. The this QuikPoly will also do an excellent job of tieing (sp?) up the loose rust and grit leaving you with a clean tank. Just my thoughts for what its' worth. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >Joe - understand and appreciate. I've been washing/rinsing. I'm afraid >since rust has started, not sealing it will only allow more rust and >scale to develope and get into the gas. >Not too worried about cost of repair since you can't buy these tanks - >it's for a 1969 Javelin SST (not mine, my brother's) Looks like >condensation got to it. >Tank is off and sitting in my garage. I rinsed it with clear water 3 >times Sunday. >If I find a used tank, I'm probably looking at $200 - $300 for tank >plus shipping. Then I wonder about condition since it will be at least >30 to 35 years old and from a parts car that has sat for how many >years. So, it may not be perfect, but there is some logic perhaps in >attempting to salvage a "know condition tank". >I have considered simply giving it a very good cleaning, using rock, >nuts n bolts, whatever, to swish around in there to break things loose. >At this point, nothing is settled and I'm open to options such as yours! >(besides, Scot will pretty much go along with whatever I tell him to do >with it, he'd spend the money on it) > >I'm also of the thought that whatever comes of this, it will be an >education for the next old engine I fix up! (like my Associated water >cooled with the cool gas tank with the raised name, or my herc, or F&J, >or whatever that has a steel tank) > >Bill > > > >>Hi Bill, >> >>Concerning Gas Tank Sealer - >>I don't mean to sway business away from Lee. >>Even at 2 qts. you're talking 60$ plus shipping. >> >>Being that you're going to remove the tank anyway - Why not put some >>aggrigate in it - some solvent and clean it out. >> >>Rinse it and dry it good and go with that. No Sealer. >> >>I don't know what a new tank might cost but I would think you're going >>to spend over half the price of a new one just sealing an old one. >>And - more work. >> >>Just my 2 cents >> >>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >>jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz >> ,-._,-. "What I can do, >> \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) >> (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Jun 13 13:25:05 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:25:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Recoating Brass/Copper Message-ID: <061320052025.17106.42ADEBA10003CDB9000042D221979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi All, Looking for an inexpensive way to recoat steel plates,etc. to brass or copper. Thought that some time ago there was some discussion on this topic. thankyou in advance, Curt Andree From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jun 13 23:13:27 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:13:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally In-Reply-To: <200506131512.j5DFCPJu028362@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <20050614061323.YWZT21432.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Rob, I am not sure of its exact purpose but it is part of the air intake. I am sure there is a very Hornsby reason for it. It is probably something beautifully engineered and complicated to do a simple job ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- > Pictures can now be found at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man051.html Hi Patrick, Thanks for sharing the pictures. Of particular interest was the picture of the H'royd. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man05/man05131.JPG On the side of the valve chest is a big red polyp. In another picture you zoomed in on it. What is it? Rob From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 13 23:46:19 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:46:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Low tension mags Message-ID: Hi All, just thought i would pop this one up for a new thread. How many different low tension mags can you name - wether different models or makers. Dave _________________________________________________________________ REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Jun 13 05:26:09 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:26:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] FF engine dating? References: <3.0.6.32.20050611145936.009aa9e8@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <000601c57013$1552e1d0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 2:59 PM Subject: [SEL] FF engine dating? > Hi all, > Can anyone help in dating a Danish FF engine. I'm making a brass plate for > someone whose is missing. > I have the following details off another identical engine: > No. = 14722 > H.P. = 6-7 > R.P.M. = 8/990 > Year = 1959 > The one I need to date has an engine number of 15194 (472 engines later > than the above) so I assume that it would either be a 1959 or 1960 engine. > I would appreciate if anyone could pinpoint it. > This is one of the few manufacturers that I have come across who actually > put a date on the makers plate. If only more had done so it would make > these things so much easier to research ! > Best regards Jerry Evans. Hi Jerry, I have just spoken to the firm of "FF" in Denmark. (In mixed Danish/English as neither of us were good in the other language) Unfortunately FF were bought out by another firm in 1997 & no history was passed on. FF pumps are still made but the engines on them although badged FF are made by other firms. I have asked a Danish engine collecter to see if he can tie your date down closer. Regards, Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Jun 14 04:57:51 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:57:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] New acquisition In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050613191804.026e3ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Larry, You have a very nice engine there. I have a LeRoi that is identical to yours. Your serial number makes yours earlier than mine. I had mine at Portland last year belted up to a big blower. Sure makes some great stack music. I like it anyway, others may not. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-32.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-33.jpg More pictures can be seen here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/leroi/leroi.html I haven't been able to find anything that really pertains to the hopper cooled engines. I might have a little bit of info at home and I'll take a look for you. The guy that I know that has the most LeRoi information is this guy: Ed Malcom (momalco at olemac.net) 39 malcom lane Pineville mo 64856 He wrote me once and stated: i got gaskets for my engine from olsons gaskets in Washington state. The head was 35 and the manifold was 15 plus about 4 shipping. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================== >From: Larry Evans >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] New acquisition >Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:18:32 -0700 > >Hi...... > >My brother and I recently got hold of a really neat old air compressor on a >big cart with tall steel wheels. At present it is powered by an electric 3 >hp. three phase motor but the original LeRoi MH 3 power unit came along >with it. The plan is to put the LeRoi back on the cart to power the >compressor if it proves to be machanically sound. Take a look at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/leroi/ >to see some pictures of both units. > >It seems that literature is a little scarce for LeRoi engines and would >like to know if what Ed at Hit and Miss Ent. has covers this model. It is >a 2 cylinder upright hopper cooled machine in a factory made enclosure. I >have not had time yet to look real close but it seems intact and externally >everything seems in good shape and it is not stuck. Also would like to >know approximate date of manufacture and horsepower and rpm for it. > >Since there are not too many pictures on the new web page I tried using >thumbnails that are large enough to view in their own right but are >clickable for larger images. I'd like to know if this works out o.k. for >dial up connections or if I should go back to smaller thumbnails. > >Regards, > >Larry Evans >Arcadia, Southern California, USA >MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jun 14 05:16:44 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 06:16:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New acquisition References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050613191804.026e3ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Larry, do you know or ever type at Chris Kirk on Harry's? He does LeRoi's and I think he has a two lunger. Mine is only a single and stuck big time. My other LeRoi is a 4 cyl. OHV and it's a good runner. I'll try to find out his email address..probably could do a search on Harry's also. Once again the engine cover looks very similiar to my Novo Rollr's cover, complete with hinged hasp. LeRoi manuals show up now and then on ebay. I've got a few and will check them out today. There are several others who do LeRoi's, but can't remember their name. The thumbnails work ok for me and I got one of the slowest dialuups on the list. later pard. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 8:18 PM Subject: [SEL] New acquisition > Hi...... > > My brother and I recently got hold of a really neat old air compressor on > a > big cart with tall steel wheels. At present it is powered by an electric > 3 > hp. three phase motor but the original LeRoi MH 3 power unit came along > with it. The plan is to put the LeRoi back on the cart to power the > compressor if it proves to be machanically sound. Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/leroi/ > to see some pictures of both units. > > It seems that literature is a little scarce for LeRoi engines and would > like to know if what Ed at Hit and Miss Ent. has covers this model. It is > a 2 cylinder upright hopper cooled machine in a factory made enclosure. I > have not had time yet to look real close but it seems intact and > externally > everything seems in good shape and it is not stuck. Also would like to > know approximate date of manufacture and horsepower and rpm for it. > > Since there are not too many pictures on the new web page I tried using > thumbnails that are large enough to view in their own right but are > clickable for larger images. I'd like to know if this works out o.k. for > dial up connections or if I should go back to smaller thumbnails. > > Regards, > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jun 14 05:46:41 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 06:46:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New acquisition References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050613191804.026e3ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just looked Larry, and I do have a manual that covers both the hopper cooled and radiator cooled. Nice section on the carb also. Send me your snail and I'll ship it down to ya. later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 8:18 PM Subject: [SEL] New acquisition > Hi...... > > My brother and I recently got hold of a really neat old air compressor on > a > big cart with tall steel wheels. At present it is powered by an electric > 3 > hp. three phase motor but the original LeRoi MH 3 power unit came along > with it. The plan is to put the LeRoi back on the cart to power the > compressor if it proves to be machanically sound. Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/leroi/ > to see some pictures of both units. > > It seems that literature is a little scarce for LeRoi engines and would > like to know if what Ed at Hit and Miss Ent. has covers this model. It is > a 2 cylinder upright hopper cooled machine in a factory made enclosure. I > have not had time yet to look real close but it seems intact and > externally > everything seems in good shape and it is not stuck. Also would like to > know approximate date of manufacture and horsepower and rpm for it. > > Since there are not too many pictures on the new web page I tried using > thumbnails that are large enough to view in their own right but are > clickable for larger images. I'd like to know if this works out o.k. for > dial up connections or if I should go back to smaller thumbnails. > > Regards, > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Jun 14 05:46:58 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:46:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally In-Reply-To: <200506131512.j5DFCPJu028362@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <20050614124654.UBSR27377.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Rob, I checked with my Hornsby expert and he tells me that it is the air filter. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- > Pictures can now be found at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man051.html Hi Patrick, Thanks for sharing the pictures. Of particular interest was the picture of the H'royd. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man05/man05131.JPG On the side of the valve chest is a big red polyp. In another picture you zoomed in on it. What is it? Rob From mtucker at uky.edu Tue Jun 14 06:35:18 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:35:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SIAM? In-Reply-To: <42ADCE54.50809@imc-group.com> References: <200506131512.j5DFCPJu028362@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <42ADCE54.50809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: >How was the SIAM show? Because life has managed to get in the way, it had been a number of years since we had been to the SIAM show but what GREAT show it is!!!!!! It seems to have grown quite a bit since we were there last. I know this is hard to believe for an engine show in Indiana but Friday was a little wet (I'm sure glad it never rains during the Portland show :-)). Saturday was beautiful with a lot of engines running and a great spectator turnout. I agree with Arnie that the star of the show was the 7 hp Abernaque buzz/drag saw rig. Even without the big drag saw hooked up, the pitman arm had some pretty impressive monkey motion. Unfortunately, we didn't have our camera with us on Saturday but I'm sure that someone will post some pictures of it along with some of the other engines. I have to pat the SEL folks on the back because our engines were running pretty much non stop on Friday and Saturday even through the rain on Friday. This included engines with no paint, some original paint, lots of original paint, bright and shiny new paint, mag fired and battery coil fired. During the rain on Friday, which lasted about 3 hours, the SEL engines were the only engines running on the show grounds. I even had one spectator ,who had driven about 300 miles to get to the show, thank me for running our engines. The other engine wimps acted like FATGs and left their stuff, both tarped and untarped, just sit there not running. As a special bonus the food at the Log Inn was fantastic. If you're ever near Evansville, I would highly recommend it. Great food and I guarantee that you won't walk out of there hungry. Throw in a group of great folks and a show just can't get much better. Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jun 14 06:54:20 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 07:54:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New acquisition References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050613191804.026e3ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Take a look here Larry..Luke: http://www.smokstak.com/forum/search.php?searchid=48974 RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New acquisition > Just looked Larry, and I do have a manual that covers both the hopper > cooled and radiator cooled. Nice section on the carb also. > > Send me your snail and I'll ship it down to ya. > > later, > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Evans" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 8:18 PM > Subject: [SEL] New acquisition > > > > Hi...... > > > > My brother and I recently got hold of a really neat old air compressor > > on a > > big cart with tall steel wheels. At present it is powered by an > > electric 3 > > hp. three phase motor but the original LeRoi MH 3 power unit came along > > with it. The plan is to put the LeRoi back on the cart to power the > > compressor if it proves to be machanically sound. Take a look at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/leroi/ > > to see some pictures of both units. > > > > It seems that literature is a little scarce for LeRoi engines and would > > like to know if what Ed at Hit and Miss Ent. has covers this model. It > > is > > a 2 cylinder upright hopper cooled machine in a factory made enclosure. > > I > > have not had time yet to look real close but it seems intact and > > externally > > everything seems in good shape and it is not stuck. Also would like to > > know approximate date of manufacture and horsepower and rpm for it. > > > > Since there are not too many pictures on the new web page I tried using > > thumbnails that are large enough to view in their own right but are > > clickable for larger images. I'd like to know if this works out o.k. > > for > > dial up connections or if I should go back to smaller thumbnails. > > > > Regards, > > > > Larry Evans > > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From andyglines at hotmail.com Tue Jun 14 10:32:58 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:32:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: SIAM? In-Reply-To: <200506141000.j5EA06C9022321@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: > 22. Re: SIAM? (Glenn A Karch) >Message: 22 >Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:46:31 -0500 >From: "Glenn A Karch" >Subject: Re: [SEL] SIAM? >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Message-ID: <004001c57061$5e3fb820$41b9123f at oemcomputer> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Curt, > >At SIAM, we had a decent Friday, a wonderful Saturday and a complete rain >out on Sunday. There were a lot of things to see and a lot more tractors >than in the past. > >Glenn > >Glenn Karch >Haubstadt, IN, USA >Hercules Historian > Glenn put it exactly as I would have. I think that we all had a good time despite the disappointing Sunday conditions. The rain finally stopped about 5:00 PM Sunday. For me there were a few unexpected treats. I fellow from Mt.Vernon IN showed up with a 100hp Fairbanks. Those guys really made a show out of starting the engine periodically and the spectators enjoyed it. Maybe I can use the crowd appeal of the Fairbanks to spurr some activity on the Venn-Sevrin project. I knew that the Kinneys planned a woodworking display for the Antique Building but I didn't expect the level of activity and crowd participation that they had. Every time I went into the building they had a crowd both watching and working. Good job guys! I had another good surprise when I looked up to see a steam traction engine on the grounds Saturday afternoon. Wayne Metzger, who is president of the Antique Steam & Gas Engine Club in Boonville IN, brought his Keck-Gonnerman over for the afternoon. Most of you know that I am a steam nut so I was very happy to see the engine and visit with Wayne. As chairman of the SIAM club I really had only one frustration. I wanted to get around to visit with more people than I did, especially the SEL folks. It seemed as if I were busy doing nothing the entire weekend. To those of you who made it, thanks for coming to help us make it a great show. Curt, we will be looking for you , Missy, and Devin next year. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Jun 14 00:06:35 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:06:35 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally References: <20050614061323.YWZT21432.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <000b01c570af$9daf5b70$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Looking to its shape I would say, it's an Air chamber. The same working as they used on the old pumps. John H. > Hi Rob, > I am not sure of its exact purpose but it is part of the air intake. > I am sure there is a very Hornsby reason for it. It is probably something > beautifully engineered and complicated to do a simple job ;) > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Jun 14 20:36:50 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:36:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual Message-ID: <42AFA252.8020302@earthlink.net> Hi all, Just got this online. Instruction manual for Sattley Kero engine. Don't know if there are any out there, but the manual is now online. http://oldengine.org/members/allen/Sattley/KeroBook/Intro.html Jeff Allen P.S. " Who the hell is Les Paul" Check this link Dave. http://www.iridiumjazzclub.com/les.shtml P.P.S. " and who the hell cares? " I do Dave but then I've done multitrack recording thanks to him. P.P.P.S. Try eggs for breakfast Dave. Someone is shitting in your Wheaties!! From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jun 15 01:44:51 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:44:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Old engines Message-ID: <010e01c57186$9d3f39d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Can any of you help this man please? Answer him directly if you can. Thanks. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rechichi, Daniel" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 3:37 PM Subject: Old engines G'day Reg, Furthering our conversation on the phone today. I have a couple of engines over here in the eastern hills of Perth which were rescued from old farms and paddocks. There are several listers and mcdonalds but the ones I am interested in restoring and which I am finding it hard to get info on are: Blackstone JP1 10hp single flywheel horizontal engine This seems to be complete however disassembled, I also have a new set of rings for the unit which were given to me with the engine. Crossley VO vertical two stoke oil engine. This engine is totally disassembled and looks quite complicated, especially the fuelling system. I have some drawings of the engine but still don't have enough information to determine where all the engine parts belong. I am a member of the machinery preservation society in Perth but no one there has any information on the engine. I am currently sandblasting the Blackstone crankcase preparing for painting and contemplating rebuilding the crossley if I can find the info. I am also worried that there may be items missing from the crossley in which case I will have to build new items. Any help you can offer in relation to these engines would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Daniel. C. Rechichi Design Engineer Silcar Telepower Design and Construction, Western Region Ph (61) 08 9325 8355 Fax (61) 08 9325 8399 Mob 042 938 5678 Email daniel.rechichi at silcar.com.au Web www.silcar.com From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Wed Jun 15 04:08:37 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:08:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] magneto's Message-ID: Is there a web site specializing magneto's, as in the different company's that made them and aslo the different models each company produced including low tension and generators ie wizards Dave _________________________________________________________________ REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Jun 15 04:09:24 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:09:24 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual In-Reply-To: <42AFA252.8020302@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Jeff, I have a 9hp throttle governed Sattley: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/kzoo02/kzoo02-21.jpg I breezed through the pages but haven't read them yet. I will when I get a chance. Thanks for putting them online. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================ >From: Jeff Allen > >Hi all, > >Just got this online. Instruction manual for Sattley Kero engine. Don't >know if there are any out there, but the manual is now online. > >http://oldengine.org/members/allen/Sattley/KeroBook/Intro.html > >Jeff Allen From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jun 15 04:42:24 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:42:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Set-up Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050615074210.02240f40@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, Tomorrow morning at about 9:00 I'll pull out for Coolspring in order to set up the SEL area for the show. By noon our area should be roped off and have SEL signs hung on the ropes. We will be in the 2nd row (to the right) all the way down by the trees. I'll put a SEL sign at the head of the 2nd row with an arrow pointing to the right. Jake Faith will know where we are if you have trouble finding us (HELL, Jake will know where we are even if you don't have trouble finding us!) However, you may have to ask for Dave Rotigel, since the entire show is for Stationary Engines! See those of you who are lucky enough to attend the show this weekend! Dave From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jun 15 04:44:29 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:44:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual In-Reply-To: <42AFA252.8020302@earthlink.net> References: <42AFA252.8020302@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42B0149D.4020506@imc-group.com> Jeff, I thought your eBay comment was excellent! Reading the manual I was surprised at the factory recommendation of 5 drop of cylinder oil per minute per HP. That's WAY more than I tend to run on my engines and the pistons stay whetted with oil. I always figured if there was excess oil running into the crank sump then there was plenty of cylinder oil. I set mine on a few drops per minute regardless of HP. Maybe I'm not oiling enough. How about the rest of you, what kind of oil rates do you use? What do you use as a guide to say you're oiling enough? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > Just got this online. Instruction manual for Sattley Kero engine. > Don't know if there are any out there, but the manual is now online. > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/Sattley/KeroBook/Intro.html > > Jeff Allen > > P.S. " Who the hell is Les Paul" Check this link Dave. > http://www.iridiumjazzclub.com/les.shtml > P.P.S. " and who the hell cares? " I do Dave but then I've done > multitrack recording thanks to him. > P.P.P.S. Try eggs for breakfast Dave. Someone is shitting in your > Wheaties!! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Jun 14 19:22:02 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:22:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Set-up Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050614220956.0225ad30@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, Tomorrow morning at about 9:00 I'll pull out for Coolspring in order to set up the SEL area for the show. By noon our area should be roped off and have SEL signs hung on the ropes. We will be in the 2nd row (to the right) all the way down by the trees. I'll put a SEL sign at the head of the 2nd row with an arrow pointing to the right. Jake Faith will know where we are if you have trouble finding us (HELL, Jake will know where we are even if you don't have trouble finding us!) However, you may have to ask for Dave Rotigel, since the entire show is for Stationary Engines! See those of you who are lucky enough to attend the show this weekend! Dave From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Jun 15 07:34:18 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:34:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual In-Reply-To: <42B0149D.4020506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Curt, Could the higher drip rate have anything to do with burning kerosene for the fuel? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============================= >From: Curt > >Jeff, >I thought your eBay comment was excellent! >Reading the manual I was surprised at the factory recommendation of 5 drop >of cylinder oil per minute per HP. That's WAY more than I tend to run on my >engines and the pistons stay whetted with oil. I always figured if there >was excess oil running into the crank sump then there was plenty of >cylinder oil. I set mine on a few drops per minute regardless of HP. Maybe >I'm not oiling enough. >How about the rest of you, what kind of oil rates do you use? What do you >use as a guide to say you're oiling enough? >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Jun 15 07:41:49 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:41:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual Message-ID: > Jeff, > I thought your eBay comment was excellent! > Reading the manual I was surprised at the factory > recommendation of 5 drop of cylinder oil per minute per HP. > That's WAY more than I tend to run on my engines and the > pistons stay whetted with oil. I always figured if there was > excess oil running into the crank sump then there was plenty > of cylinder oil. I set mine on a few drops per minute > regardless of HP. Maybe I'm not oiling enough. > How about the rest of you, what kind of oil rates do you use? > What do you use as a guide to say you're oiling enough? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC You have to remember that the manual is intended for working engines running at rated RPM's. The factory was probably playing it safe by having the piston over oiled rather than not enough. Since we tend to run our engines much slower than rated speed and don't work our engines like they were built to do, we tend to adjust the drip rate to reflect the needs of a show engine. George From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jun 15 08:23:46 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:23:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42B04802.8060703@imc-group.com> Dunno Luke? As a lubricant kero is actually pretty decent. Much better than gasoline. In fact I lube my EK and PR mags with kero instead of oil. Keeps them working in cold weather. Take my 6 HP Herc (kero) sawrig for example. Per Sattley's instructions I should be dripping 30 drips per minute when working it. I'd never get any wood sawed for all the time I'd be spending filling the #4 oiler! Curt Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Curt, > > Could the higher drip rate have anything to do with burning kerosene > for the fuel? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ============================= > >> From: Curt >> >> Jeff, >> I thought your eBay comment was excellent! >> Reading the manual I was surprised at the factory recommendation of 5 >> drop of cylinder oil per minute per HP. That's WAY more than I tend >> to run on my engines and the pistons stay whetted with oil. I always >> figured if there was excess oil running into the crank sump then >> there was plenty of cylinder oil. I set mine on a few drops per >> minute regardless of HP. Maybe I'm not oiling enough. >> How about the rest of you, what kind of oil rates do you use? What do >> you use as a guide to say you're oiling enough? >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Jun 15 10:40:10 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:40:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally In-Reply-To: <20050614124654.UBSR27377.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <200506151740.j5FHeEm4090303@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > I checked with my Hornsby expert and he tells me that > it is the air filter. That's Patrick. It's cool. Rob From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Jun 15 12:12:05 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:12:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual References: <42B04802.8060703@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00e101c571de$1fabd340$1a496e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> I wonder if the high drip rate is a hope that the engine will always get what it needs and maybe inspire the owner to use oil generously. Too much oil won't hurt anything, the worst thing would be a messy engine. A drawback is that this high drip rate would empty the oiler pretty quick. I disagree with George and his comment that the high drip rate is appropriate if the engine is working hard. I don't see how the engine load and the drip rate are connected, if the piston is wet with oil that is as good as it's going to get, anymore will just run off. I was intrigued by the method of cleaning the rings and grooves by boiling them in lye. Anybody try this or know more about it? Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sattley manual Dunno Luke? As a lubricant kero is actually pretty decent. Much better than gasoline. In fact I lube my EK and PR mags with kero instead of oil. Keeps them working in cold weather. Take my 6 HP Herc (kero) sawrig for example. Per Sattley's instructions I should be dripping 30 drips per minute when working it. I'd never get any wood sawed for all the time I'd be spending filling the #4 oiler! Curt Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Curt, > > Could the higher drip rate have anything to do with burning kerosene > for the fuel? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ============================= > >> From: Curt >> >> Jeff, >> I thought your eBay comment was excellent! >> Reading the manual I was surprised at the factory recommendation of 5 >> drop of cylinder oil per minute per HP. That's WAY more than I tend >> to run on my engines and the pistons stay whetted with oil. I always >> figured if there was excess oil running into the crank sump then >> there was plenty of cylinder oil. I set mine on a few drops per >> minute regardless of HP. Maybe I'm not oiling enough. >> How about the rest of you, what kind of oil rates do you use? What do >> you use as a guide to say you're oiling enough? >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jun 15 13:32:48 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual In-Reply-To: <00e101c571de$1fabd340$1a496e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <42B04802.8060703@imc-group.com> <00e101c571de$1fabd340$1a496e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <4025.165.206.180.144.1118867568.squirrel@antique-engines.com> >>I don't see how the engine load and the drip rate are connected, if the piston is wet with oil that is as good as it's going to get, anymore will just run off.<< And I disagree with your disagreement - :-) You may be right for the high end, but for the lower end, you can get by with less, so why not do so? The oil will last longer, there will be less mess, and less dirt and grit can stick to it. Adjust the drip rate up for more load - where you don't have to adjust it down for less load but you can. So, yes, if you have the oil drip throttled back to use less at lower RPM and load, you need to give it more at higher load. Plus more load on the engine means more loading on the piston pin, piston, and rings, probably running hotter, etc. - would you want to give it as much oil at idle and low load as you would at higher speed and load? I would not, so I'd change the drip rate accordingly - personally...... Bill > I wonder if the high drip rate is a hope that the engine will always get > what it needs and maybe inspire the owner to use oil generously. Too > much > oil won't hurt anything, the worst thing would be a messy engine. A > drawback is that this high drip rate would empty the oiler pretty quick. > I > disagree with George and his comment that the high drip rate is > appropriate > if the engine is working hard. I don't see how the engine load and the > drip > rate are connected, if the piston is wet with oil that is as good as it's > going to get, anymore will just run off. > > I was intrigued by the method of cleaning the rings and grooves by boiling > them in lye. Anybody try this or know more about it? > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 8:23 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Sattley manual > > > Dunno Luke? As a lubricant kero is actually pretty decent. Much better > than gasoline. In fact I lube my EK and PR mags with kero instead of > oil. Keeps them working in cold weather. > Take my 6 HP Herc (kero) sawrig for example. Per Sattley's instructions > I should be dripping 30 drips per minute when working it. I'd never get > any wood sawed for all the time I'd be spending filling the #4 oiler! > Curt > > Luke Tonneberger wrote: > >> Curt, >> >> Could the higher drip rate have anything to do with burning kerosene >> for the fuel? >> >> Luke Tonneberger >> Rockford, Michigan >> USA >> ============================= >> >>> From: Curt >>> >>> Jeff, >>> I thought your eBay comment was excellent! >>> Reading the manual I was surprised at the factory recommendation of 5 >>> drop of cylinder oil per minute per HP. That's WAY more than I tend >>> to run on my engines and the pistons stay whetted with oil. I always >>> figured if there was excess oil running into the crank sump then >>> there was plenty of cylinder oil. I set mine on a few drops per >>> minute regardless of HP. Maybe I'm not oiling enough. >>> How about the rest of you, what kind of oil rates do you use? What do >>> you use as a guide to say you're oiling enough? >>> Curt Holland >>> Gastonia, NC >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dcox at triad.rr.com Wed Jun 15 14:00:42 2005 From: dcox at triad.rr.com (Dallas Cox) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:00:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual References: Message-ID: <003a01c571ed$4b555ac0$6501a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Curt, the higher drip rate is for the engine at peak work RPM and under load. The old boys did not run them like we do. Adjust your drip as needed. Dallas > Could the higher drip rate have anything to do with burning kerosene for > the fuel? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA What do you >>use as a guide to say you're oiling enough? >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Jun 15 14:38:32 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:38:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual Message-ID: Jim, I wasn't saying that a high drip rate was needed as suggested by the Sattley manual. What I was saying is that the majority of our engines are being run at a low speed and with no load on the engine. For example maybe your engine is running 100rpm and only fires every 15 revolutions. In a case like that it is only firing about a half dozen times a minute. It doesn't take a lot of oil drips per minute to keep the piston lubricated. If you take your show engine and speed it up to 300rpm, the piston is traveling 3 times the distance per minute than it was at the low show speed. Consequently, the piston is now only getting one third the amount of oil it was previously. Lets say, you've got your engine now running at 300rpm with no load. It is still missing a few cycles assuming it is a hit&miss engine. So what happens when you put a load on it? It has to fire more often to maintain the speed. In fact if really working it is firing every time and not coasting at all. Wouldn't you think there is a difference in the cylinder oil film if the engine is firing rather than coasting? When the manufacture made the engine and sold it, it was expected to be run at rated speed and working. So doesn't it make sense for a manufacturer to suggest a higher drip rate than what we're used to using? George . > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Jim and Diane > I wonder if the high drip rate is a hope that the engine will > always get > what it needs and maybe inspire the owner to use oil > generously. Too much > oil won't hurt anything, the worst thing would be a messy > engine. A drawback is that this high drip rate would empty > the oiler pretty quick. I disagree with George and his > comment that the high drip rate is appropriate if the engine > is working hard. I don't see how the engine load and the > drip rate are connected, if the piston is wet with oil that > is as good as it's going to get, anymore will just run off. > > Jim From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jun 15 16:00:49 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:00:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Set-up In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050615074210.02240f40@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050615074210.02240f40@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050615184457.02236e80@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, The SEL Coolspring set up is complete. We are in the second row (as usual) at the far end near the trees. Jake had some DEMOCRAT help him set up the row number markings--thus the first row is not marked(i.e. has no number on it) and the second row is marked "Row 1" Therefore we are in the second row (the one that is marked "Row 1") at the far end near the trees. Dave PS, Arnie and I should arrive at Coolspring about 9:00 am tomorrow. At 07:42 AM 6/15/2005, you wrote: >Hi All, > Tomorrow morning at about 9:00 I'll pull out for Coolspring in > order to set up the SEL area for the show. By noon our area should be > roped off and have SEL signs hung on the ropes. We will be in the 2nd row > (to the right) all the way down by the trees. I'll put a SEL sign at the > head of the 2nd row with an arrow pointing to the right. Jake Faith will > know where we are if you have trouble finding us (HELL, Jake will know > where we are even if you don't have trouble finding us!) However, you may > have to ask for Dave Rotigel, since the entire show is for Stationary > Engines! See those of you who are lucky enough to attend the show this weekend! > Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jun 15 16:19:22 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:19:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050615191802.0d1b6c98@mail.alltel.net> >If you take your show engine and speed it up to 300rpm, the piston is >traveling 3 times the distance per minute than it was at the low show >speed. Consequently, the piston is now only getting one third the >amount of oil it was previously. >George Hi George, Think a bit about your above statement. Dave From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Jun 15 16:21:51 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:21:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] magneto's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42B0B80F.1050104@earthlink.net> David, This link has some good information. http://www.old-engine.com/maglma.htm I have another, but it is not working now. Might be gone. Jeff Allen David Nicolson wrote: > Is there a web site specializing magneto's, as in the different > company's that made them and aslo the different models each company > produced including low tension and generators ie wizards Dave > > _________________________________________________________________ > REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings > http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From todengine at zoominternet.net Wed Jun 15 16:42:12 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:42:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Set-up References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050615074210.02240f40@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000e01c57203$da795420$a65bef18@pengy> Dave, My wife and I will be there Friday morning around 9 am or so. I'll be bringing a few of the castings that I've been making as well as pics and info. on the Tod Engine Project. Can't wait to see everyone again! Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 7:42 AM Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Set-up > Hi All, > Tomorrow morning at about 9:00 I'll pull out for Coolspring in order to > set up the SEL area for the show. By noon our area should be roped off and > have SEL signs hung on the ropes. We will be in the 2nd row (to the right) > all the way down by the trees. I'll put a SEL sign at the head of the 2nd > row with an arrow pointing to the right. Jake Faith will know where we are > if you have trouble finding us (HELL, Jake will know where we are even if > you don't have trouble finding us!) However, you may have to ask for Dave > Rotigel, since the entire show is for Stationary Engines! See those of you > who are lucky enough to attend the show this weekend! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jbcast at charter.net Wed Jun 15 17:06:21 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:06:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual Message-ID: <44038i$12qtp4p@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> > > I was intrigued by the method of cleaning the rings and grooves by boiling > them in lye. Anybody try this or know more about it? > > Jim > Caustic was popular for hot tank vatting in engine shops. Aluminum parts and disposal problems have changed that. A head dipped in the tank usually washed clean of carbon. The drip rate on a loaded engine would have to be increased to compensate for the blow by drying the piston. J.B. Castagnos From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Jun 15 17:37:36 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:37:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42B0C9D0.2020609@earthlink.net> Hi Luke, Great looking engine. I've been on that part of your site before and took another visit tonight. Great story on how you got the engine and built a trailer for it. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/sattley9/sattley.html I've been trying to buy some manuals on e-bay lately to put online. Most go way to high, but now and then I find a bargain. I am curious about the color of your engine. Is it original or was it repainted? This is the second red Sattley I've seen. The other was a five horse. My catalog says the Kero engines were brown and the hit and miss black. That was the 1918 catalog. Always curious about original colors and variations between years. > Thanks for putting them online. My pleasure. :-) Jeff Allen Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > I have a 9hp throttle governed Sattley: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/kzoo02/kzoo02-21.jpg > > I breezed through the pages but haven't read them yet. I will when I > get a chance. Thanks for putting them online. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ================ > >> From: Jeff Allen >> >> Hi all, >> >> Just got this online. Instruction manual for Sattley Kero engine. >> Don't know if there are any out there, but the manual is now online. >> >> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/Sattley/KeroBook/Intro.html >> >> Jeff Allen > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From wmrohrer at myactv.net Wed Jun 15 17:46:14 2005 From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:46:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Set-up In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050615184457.02236e80@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200506160044.j5G0iGas000828@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I will be coming up on Saturday for the day. I hope to meet some of you folks. Mike Rohrer Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, Maryland USA Collector of Antique Farm Literature Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 7:01 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolspring Set-up Hi All, The SEL Coolspring set up is complete. We are in the second row (as usual) at the far end near the trees. Jake had some DEMOCRAT help him set up the row number markings--thus the first row is not marked(i.e. has no number on it) and the second row is marked "Row 1" Therefore we are in the second row (the one that is marked "Row 1") at the far end near the trees. Dave PS, Arnie and I should arrive at Coolspring about 9:00 am tomorrow. At 07:42 AM 6/15/2005, you wrote: >Hi All, > Tomorrow morning at about 9:00 I'll pull out for Coolspring in > order to set up the SEL area for the show. By noon our area should be > roped off and have SEL signs hung on the ropes. We will be in the 2nd row > (to the right) all the way down by the trees. I'll put a SEL sign at the > head of the 2nd row with an arrow pointing to the right. Jake Faith will > know where we are if you have trouble finding us (HELL, Jake will know > where we are even if you don't have trouble finding us!) However, you may > have to ask for Dave Rotigel, since the entire show is for Stationary > Engines! See those of you who are lucky enough to attend the show this weekend! > Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Jun 15 17:57:15 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:57:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual In-Reply-To: <44038i$12qtp4p@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <44038i$12qtp4p@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <26ed4e9ac024335e65f0c36bffd6ca37@chartertn.net> > The drip rate on a loaded engine would have to be increased to > compensate for the blow by drying the piston. Increased thermal evaporation of oil, too. Piston ring land and skirt temperatures in a loaded engine can easily get up into the range where oil is "smoking," and much of the cylinder wall that the rings travel over is directly exposed to the hot combustion gas for a good part of the power stroke. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jun 15 18:09:23 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:09:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual/Now PURE BS! In-Reply-To: <26ed4e9ac024335e65f0c36bffd6ca37@chartertn.net> References: <44038i$12qtp4p@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> <26ed4e9ac024335e65f0c36bffd6ca37@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050615210701.0d1a1038@mail.alltel.net> At 08:57 PM 6/15/2005, you wrote: >>The drip rate on a loaded engine would have to be increased to compensate >>for the blow by drying the piston. >Increased thermal evaporation of oil, too. Piston ring land and skirt >temperatures in a loaded engine can easily get up into the range where oil >is "smoking," and much of the cylinder wall that the rings travel over is >directly exposed to the hot combustion gas for a good part of the power stroke. >John Culp GREAT point John! I'm sure the builders of our old engines took that into account when determining how many drips per minute were necessary. Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Jun 15 19:03:41 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:03:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally In-Reply-To: <200506151740.j5FHeEm4090303@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200506160203.j5G23jug020813@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > That's Patrick. It's cool. > > Rob THANKS Patrick. Bad case of mumbly fingers today. Rob From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Jun 15 22:08:03 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:08:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual/Now PURE BS! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050615210701.0d1a1038@mail.alltel.net> References: <44038i$12qtp4p@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> <26ed4e9ac024335e65f0c36bffd6ca37@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050615210701.0d1a1038@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <42B10933.2030001@earthlink.net> Hi Dave, I continue to put the Hiscox engine book online. I do a quick read on all the pages I scan. The builders of our old engines took all they knew at the time and I do believe they took into account the drips per minute for a fully loaded engine. Perhaps one of us can come up with a wise old sage that actually used one of these engines and knows the drip rate for an engine used as it was intended to be used. Did they need to be watched and maintained all day or once a day? How often did the oiler need to be filled? Did the farmer running a pump have to check his engine once a day or often throughout the day? How about the oil field engines that ran 24/7? Lots of questions here and maybe we can get some answers. Our toys are show and tell and I doubt any are run under the conditions they where designed for. We play with them and the original owners used them for real . Big difference there. Didn't plan on starting a great thread, but keep it going folks. PURE BS? I think not Dave except for your comments. Jeff Allen Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 08:57 PM 6/15/2005, you wrote: > >>> The drip rate on a loaded engine would have to be increased to >>> compensate for the blow by drying the piston. >> >> Increased thermal evaporation of oil, too. Piston ring land and skirt >> temperatures in a loaded engine can easily get up into the range >> where oil is "smoking," and much of the cylinder wall that the rings >> travel over is directly exposed to the hot combustion gas for a good >> part of the power stroke. >> John Culp > > > GREAT point John! I'm sure the builders of our old engines took that > into account when determining how many drips per minute were necessary. > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Wed Jun 15 22:49:19 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:49:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] magneto's In-Reply-To: <42B0B80F.1050104@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thanks Jeff, very imformative site now all i need to do is find some imfo on the different types of Bosch mags and some of the more obscure makes. some american but mostly european. >From: Jeff Allen >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] magneto's >Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:21:51 -0600 > >David, > >This link has some good information. http://www.old-engine.com/maglma.htm > >I have another, but it is not working now. Might be gone. > >Jeff Allen > >David Nicolson wrote: > >>Is there a web site specializing magneto's, as in the different company's >>that made them and aslo the different models each company produced >>including low tension and generators ie wizards Dave >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings >>http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Sell your car for $9 on carpoint.com.au http://www.carpoint.com.au/sellyourcar From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 23:24:48 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 07:24:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] magneto's In-Reply-To: References: <42B0B80F.1050104@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605061523243a6c285@mail.gmail.com> On 6/16/05, David Nicolson wrote: > Thanks Jeff, very imformative site now all i need to do is find some imfo on > the different types of Bosch mags and some of the more obscure makes. some > american but mostly european. We have service manual sets for Fairbanks-Morse, Wico, Wipac (UK), Eisemann, Bendix and Slick (Aero) if you need specific data for a particular magneto. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Jun 16 04:29:34 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:29:34 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual In-Reply-To: <42B0C9D0.2020609@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Jeff, That is not the original paint. Not sure what color it was originally either. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================= >From: Jeff Allen > >Hi Luke, > > >I am curious about the color of your engine. Is it original or was it >repainted? This is the second red Sattley I've seen. The other was a five >horse. My catalog says the Kero engines were brown and the hit and miss >black. That was the 1918 catalog. Always curious about original colors and >variations between years. > > > >Jeff Allen From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jun 16 04:33:24 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 04:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual/Now PURE BS! In-Reply-To: <42B10933.2030001@earthlink.net> References: <44038i$12qtp4p@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> <26ed4e9ac024335e65f0c36bffd6ca37@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050615210701.0d1a1038@mail.alltel.net> <42B10933.2030001@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4636.165.206.180.144.1118921604.squirrel@antique-engines.com> How many drips are required to keep this thread going! Just kidding guys! It DOES remind me of a "thread" on a forum about engine cooling. Some are trying to bring renolds number and other factors into it, claiming too fast coolant flow leads to overheating, others say no it simply goes back in to cool again so is twice as effective, etc. WOW, talk about armchair engineers and shadetree designers. One turned into like 7 threads and got hotter than any engine. Bill > Hi Dave, > > I continue to put the Hiscox engine book online. I do a quick read on > all the pages I scan. The builders of our old engines took all they knew > at the time and I do believe they took into account the drips per minute > for a fully loaded engine. Perhaps one of us can come up with a wise old > sage that actually used one of these engines and knows the drip rate for > an engine used as it was intended to be used. > > Did they need to be watched and maintained all day or once a day? How > often did the oiler need to be filled? Did the farmer running a pump > have to check his engine once a day or often throughout the day? How > about the oil field engines that ran 24/7? Lots of questions here and > maybe we can get some answers. > > Our toys are show and tell and I doubt any are run under the conditions > they where designed for. We play with them and the original owners used > them for real . Big difference there. > > Didn't plan on starting a great thread, but keep it going folks. > > PURE BS? I think not Dave except for your comments. > > Jeff Allen > > > Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> At 08:57 PM 6/15/2005, you wrote: >> >>>> The drip rate on a loaded engine would have to be increased to >>>> compensate for the blow by drying the piston. >>> >>> Increased thermal evaporation of oil, too. Piston ring land and skirt >>> temperatures in a loaded engine can easily get up into the range >>> where oil is "smoking," and much of the cylinder wall that the rings >>> travel over is directly exposed to the hot combustion gas for a good >>> part of the power stroke. >>> John Culp >> >> >> GREAT point John! I'm sure the builders of our old engines took that >> into account when determining how many drips per minute were necessary. >> Dave >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 16 04:50:23 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 21:50:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] magneto's In-Reply-To: <6f60251605061523243a6c285@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Peter, the types of magneto's/generators i am mainly interested in are the low tension versions.Are any of your manuals relating to these mags. Dave >From: Listerdiesel >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] magneto's >Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 07:24:48 +0100 > >On 6/16/05, David Nicolson wrote: > > Thanks Jeff, very imformative site now all i need to do is find some >imfo on > > the different types of Bosch mags and some of the more obscure makes. >some > > american but mostly european. > >We have service manual sets for Fairbanks-Morse, Wico, Wipac (UK), >Eisemann, Bendix and Slick (Aero) if you need specific data for a >particular magneto. > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jun 16 05:37:36 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:37:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] magneto's In-Reply-To: References: <6f60251605061523243a6c285@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605061605375af328c8@mail.gmail.com> On 6/16/05, David Nicolson wrote: > Thanks Peter, the types of magneto's/generators i am mainly interested in > are the low tension versions.Are any of your manuals relating to these mags. > Dave They are mainly HT, but the Eisemann may have a couple of old ones in there, I have also got some Dixie stuff somewhere... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Thu Jun 16 06:53:17 2005 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:53:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lathrop, MO Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A704B7B9D9@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Just a reminder that the show at Lathrop, MO, for anyone within range is today, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday at Lathrop, MO, just north of KC. Admission is five bucks for the four days. Skinny (and pix) here: http://www.lathropantique.com/ Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Jun 16 07:43:30 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 07:43:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual/Now PURE BS! In-Reply-To: <42B10933.2030001@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200506161443.j5GEhaQ0016596@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Perhaps one of us can come up with a wise old > sage that actually used one of these engines and knows the > drip rate for an engine used as it was intended to be used. There is only ONE way to conclusively determine the most economical drip rate at which you can run your engine. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, because they're wrong. Luckily, it's easy to determine the drip rate that will save you the most money on oil consumption. Run the engine at full load. Start at three drops per horsepower per minute. After one hour, decrease the drip rate by one drop per minute. After another hour, decrease the drip rate again. Continue with this system until black metal filings start coming out of the back of the cylinder or sparks start coming out the exhaust, then adjust the oiler to the previous hour's drip rate. From George_Best at adp.com Thu Jun 16 07:48:22 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:48:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oil drips Message-ID: Dave, You're right, that the piston is getting the same amount of oil. However, the piston is traveling 3 times the distance in that same period which means it is getting one third the amount of oil for the distance traveled. Some people get so picky over what you say rather than what you meant ;-) George Ps... Changed the subject since we're not talking about the Sattley manual anymore. Of course this thread has about run its course, so the change probably isn't needed. > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Dave Rotigel > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 4:19 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: RE: [SEL] Sattley manual > > > >If you take your show engine and speed it up to 300rpm, the > piston is > >traveling 3 times the distance per minute than it was at the > low show > >speed. Consequently, the piston is now only getting one third the > >amount of oil it was previously. > >George > > Hi George, > Think a bit about your above statement. > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Jun 16 08:36:17 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:36:17 EDT Subject: [SEL] Dallas Message-ID: <1f2.be285f1.2fe2f671@aol.com> Dallas Cox???? Seems like I have heard that name some where before!!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jbcast at charter.net Thu Jun 16 09:47:42 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:47:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual/Now PURE BS! Message-ID: <4404j6$10vl1bs@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> > There is only ONE way to conclusively determine the most economical drip rate at > which you can run your engine. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, because > they're wrong. Luckily, it's easy to determine the drip rate that will save you > the most money on oil consumption. > > Run the engine at full load. Start at three drops per horsepower per minute. > After one hour, decrease the drip rate by one drop per minute. After another > hour, decrease the drip rate again. Continue with this system until black metal > filings start coming out of the back of the cylinder or sparks start coming out > the exhaust, then adjust the oiler to the previous hour's drip rate. > > Rob, a friend said his father was teaching his mule not to eat, almost had him trained and he died. J.B. Castagnos From sixmjohn at quicknet.nl Thu Jun 16 15:03:10 2005 From: sixmjohn at quicknet.nl (John H.) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 00:03:10 +0200 Subject: [SEL] testing new account. Message-ID: <001201c572bf$32e29fc0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Just like that. JH. From cuz904_99 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 16 18:37:01 2005 From: cuz904_99 at yahoo.com (John E. Hart) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytag Thanks Message-ID: <20050617013702.50649.qmail@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> All: thanks for everyone that responded to my problem on my Maytag engine. Now, I just need to find the time to take off my carburetor and clean the check valve. Hope this makes once again a happy running engine. Keep up the great work, John ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Jun 15 08:01:25 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:01:25 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Sattley manual References: Message-ID: <000701c571bb$1d4b14d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Seems to me way to much, 5 drops a minute is more than enough for an engine. Do you know how much oil that is for a 6 hp engine 5x6=30 drips a minute, I think the engine will sail away :o) John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Curt, > > Could the higher drip rate have anything to do with burning kerosene for the > fuel? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ============================= > > >From: Curt > > > >Jeff, > >I thought your eBay comment was excellent! > >Reading the manual I was surprised at the factory recommendation of 5 drop > >of cylinder oil per minute per HP. That's WAY more than I tend to run on my > >engines and the pistons stay whetted with oil. I always figured if there > >was excess oil running into the crank sump then there was plenty of > >cylinder oil. I set mine on a few drops per minute regardless of HP. Maybe > >I'm not oiling enough. > >How about the rest of you, what kind of oil rates do you use? What do you > >use as a guide to say you're oiling enough? > >Curt Holland > >Gastonia, NC > > From nick at holden1.net Thu Jun 16 21:41:37 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 05:41:37 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] testing new account. References: <001201c572bf$32e29fc0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <42B25481.000001.01820@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Just like that Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: John H. Date: 06/17/05 03:02:01 To: SEL Subject: [SEL] testing new account. Just like that. JH. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Jun 17 01:56:42 2005 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:26:42 +0930 Subject: [SEL] another Kiwi engine. Message-ID: <000501c5731a$7bfc3f80$adcb8890@chaos> http://www.trademe.co.nz/Antiques-collectables/Automotive-transport/Other/auction-29390624.htm From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Jun 17 02:02:45 2005 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:32:45 +0930 Subject: [SEL] another Kiwi engine. References: <000501c5731a$7bfc3f80$adcb8890@chaos> Message-ID: <000a01c5731b$5408a0d0$adcb8890@chaos> missed the FM http://www.trademe.co.nz/Antiques-collectables/Other/auction-29227261.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "derek" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 6:26 PM Subject: [SEL] another Kiwi engine. > http://www.trademe.co.nz/Antiques-collectables/Automotive-transport/Other/auction-29390624.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Fri Jun 17 05:06:24 2005 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:06:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fowler tractor Message-ID: <000701c57334$fc90aa40$01baa4cb@fred> Am trying to find information on loading starting cartridges for our fowler tractor, can anyone help? Brian in Melbourne From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri Jun 17 06:41:38 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 09:41:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tractor Message-ID: A coworker is reading a book about the history of Evansville, IN. The book states that the Hercules company was involved in building farm tractors. Did Hercules build tractors? From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Jun 17 08:22:51 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 11:22:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06 PDT) - economy gas en Message-ID: <88.28edc560.2fe444cb@aol.com> Hi List, This is an interesting item that is being listed on eBay. It is plans to build a "sparkler" to replace a magneto on an engine. I wonder if these plans similar to the ones that was that were listed on SEL several months ago using a barbeque ignition device? _Click here: eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06 PDT) - economy gas engine sparker box !!!! also_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3856305610) <_http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d ll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3856305610_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3856305610) > Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jun 17 10:07:34 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:07:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06 PDT) - economy gas en In-Reply-To: <88.28edc560.2fe444cb@aol.com> References: <88.28edc560.2fe444cb@aol.com> Message-ID: <42B30356.9050809@imc-group.com> Francis, Last weekend I replaced my 20 year old BBQ grill with a new one. It has the self start sparker but this one is a little different. You unscrew the push knob and put a AA battery inside and screw the knob back together. You hold the button in and get spark-spark-spark. About 2 or 3 sparks per second as long as you hold the button in. Have no idea how long the battery will last but I was thinking this would make a heck of a high tension devise to put in a empty EK or PR Wico case. Or perhaps even a starting device. Pull the flywheels up against compression as far as you can and hit the sparker. Bang she's off and running. Might be a useful starting tool for really big engines or for guys that no longer have the strength to pull one thru. Maybe these have been around, but the only ones I was familiar with were the one spark per push/click type without the battery. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: >Hi List, >This is an interesting item that is being listed on eBay. It is plans to >build a "sparkler" to replace a magneto on an engine. I wonder if these plans >similar to the ones that was that were listed on SEL several months ago using >a barbeque ignition device? > >_Click here: eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06 PDT) - economy >gas engine sparker box !!!! also_ >(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3856305610) <_http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d >ll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3856305610_ >(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3856305610) > > >Francis Maciel >Santa Maria, CA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Jun 17 11:41:30 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:41:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC logo pattern Message-ID: G'day all; Will be sending some muffler castings to Rick soon. The small IHC logo is all but gone. Does anyone have a source for these small logo's used in the casting process or have any ideas? My only thot is a CNC machine. later, RickinMt. From wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com Fri Jun 17 13:01:23 2005 From: wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com (Bill Calvert) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:01:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC logo pattern Message-ID: Richard If any one has an item that has a clean logo on it, a clay dam could be put around the logo and rubber casting compound poured into the area. Then wax patterns could be made and attached to almost anything. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Richard Strobel [mailto:Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com] Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 12:42 PM To: sel Subject: [SEL] IHC logo pattern G'day all; Will be sending some muffler castings to Rick soon. The small IHC logo is all but gone. Does anyone have a source for these small logo's used in the casting process or have any ideas? My only thot is a CNC machine. later, RickinMt. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Jun 17 16:03:14 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 09:03:14 +1000 Subject: Message with possible fraud attempt: [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06 PDT) - economy gas en References: <88.28edc560.2fe444cb@aol.com> Message-ID: <018d01c57390$c3599500$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> He is using the Piezo out of a cigarette lighter. I tried them years back but they die rather fast. I gave up on them after using about ten. They always stuffed up at a show. My battery setup in the base is easiest and I have good, robust, electrics. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 1:22 AM Subject: Message with possible fraud attempt: [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06 PDT) - economy gas en > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Panda Platinum 2005 Internet Security has detected that this email could > be spoofed > > Take maximum precautions, as spoofed emails could be the sign of a fraud > attempt. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi List, > This is an interesting item that is being listed on eBay. It is plans to > build a "sparkler" to replace a magneto on an engine. I wonder if these > plans > similar to the ones that was that were listed on SEL several months ago > using > a barbeque ignition device? > > _Click here: eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06 PDT) - economy > gas engine sparker box !!!! also_ > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3856305610) > <_http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d > ll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3856305610_ > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3856305610) > > > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Panda Platinum 2005 Internet Security has detected that this email could > be spoofed > > Take maximum precautions, as spoofed emails could be the sign of a fraud > attempt. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Jun 17 16:06:55 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 09:06:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06PDT) - economy gas en References: <88.28edc560.2fe444cb@aol.com> <42B30356.9050809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <019e01c57391$439ef430$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> How the hell would you time it? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 3:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06PDT) - economy gas en > Francis, > Last weekend I replaced my 20 year old BBQ grill with a new one. It has > the self start sparker but this one is a little different. You unscrew the > push knob and put a AA battery inside and screw the knob back together. > You hold the button in and get spark-spark-spark. About 2 or 3 sparks per > second as long as you hold the button in. Have no idea how long the > battery will last but I was thinking this would make a heck of a high > tension devise to put in a empty EK or PR Wico case. Or perhaps even a > starting device. Pull the flywheels up against compression as far as you > can and hit the sparker. Bang she's off and running. Might be a useful > starting tool for really big engines or for guys that no longer have the > strength to pull one thru. > Maybe these have been around, but the only ones I was familiar with were > the one spark per push/click type without the battery. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Jun 17 16:11:35 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:11:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sattley help Message-ID: <42B358A7.8030508@earthlink.net> Hi all, If any of you have a Sattley with the speed change control on the end of the crank, please contact me off list. I have a few questions I need answered. Thanks, Jeff Allen transteck at earthlink.net From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Jun 17 16:14:08 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 00:14:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06PDT) - economy gas en References: <88.28edc560.2fe444cb@aol.com> <42B30356.9050809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001901c57392$44c72b10$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06PDT) - economy gas en > Francis, > Last weekend I replaced my 20 year old BBQ grill with a new one. It has > the self start sparker but this one is a little different. You unscrew > the push knob and put a AA battery inside and screw the knob back > together. You hold the button in and get spark-spark-spark. About 2 or 3 > sparks per second as long as you hold the button in. Have no idea how > long the battery will last but I was thinking this would make a heck of > a high tension devise to put in a empty EK or PR Wico case. Or perhaps > even a starting device. Pull the flywheels up against compression as far > as you can and hit the sparker. Bang she's off and running. Might be a > useful starting tool for really big engines or for guys that no longer > have the strength to pull one thru. > Maybe these have been around, but the only ones I was familiar with were > the one spark per push/click type without the battery. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC Hi Curt,have you checked Chuck Balyeat's method at http://www.angelfire.com/tx/hotube/images/wicoEKconversion.jpg While on the subject I cannot recollect seeing Chuck post for a while. Is he still active? Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From plb at iinet.net.au Fri Jun 17 16:24:34 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 07:24:34 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Fowler tractor In-Reply-To: <000701c57334$fc90aa40$01baa4cb@fred> Message-ID: <200506172325.j5HNP0f8034628@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Brian,there is a bloke advertising in TOMMS that does them. I will get back to you later in the day with the details. Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts Sent: Friday, 17 June 2005 8:06 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Fowler tractor Am trying to find information on loading starting cartridges for our fowler tractor, can anyone help? Brian in Melbourne _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Jun 17 17:20:01 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:20:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06 PDT) In-Reply-To: <018d01c57390$c3599500$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <200506180020.j5I0K5qD048869@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > He is using the Piezo out of a cigarette lighter. > I tried them years back but they die rather fast. > I gave up on them after using about ten. They always stuffed > up at a show. > My battery setup in the base is easiest and I have good, > robust, electrics. Hi Reg, I thought you were a big proponent of bbq ignitors on models. Did my brain cells short circuit, or have you modified your opinion? Rob From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Jun 17 17:29:57 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:29:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06PDT) - economy gas en In-Reply-To: <001901c57392$44c72b10$fa4c1152@no1> References: <88.28edc560.2fe444cb@aol.com> <42B30356.9050809@imc-group.com> <001901c57392$44c72b10$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <2785ff53f934a1cf26b67771f38a6d1b@chartertn.net> > Hi Curt,have you checked Chuck Balyeat's method at > http://www.angelfire.com/tx/hotube/images/wicoEKconversion.jpg > While on the subject I cannot recollect seeing Chuck post for a while. > Is he still active? Yeah, he replies off list pretty often to stuff I've posted. Chuck's got some good stuff on his site! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From klbandy at dtccom.net Fri Jun 17 20:43:42 2005 From: klbandy at dtccom.net (Kevin L. Bandy) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:43:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Alexandria TN Show reminder Message-ID: <42B3986E.6060204@dtccom.net> Just wanted to remind everyone about the 1st Annual Tractor & Engine Show here in Alexandria, TN on Saturday, June 25th. Everyone invited. Our bank will be serving free hot dogs and such. There will be a jumping castle and mechanical horses to ride for the kids and free cotton candy. An Antique Quilt Show inside the bank for the ladies. If anyone has an Antique Quilt to enter, bring it. Hope to see you here. If you plan to come, drop me a line. Look forward to having you. Kevin Bandy From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Jun 17 19:06:11 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 12:06:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06 PDT) References: <200506180020.j5I0K5qD048869@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <01f101c573aa$52863990$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> No, the BBQ ones are really good. Its the tiny ones in the cig lighters thay are a waste of time. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 10:20 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Check out eBay item3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06 PDT) >> He is using the Piezo out of a cigarette lighter. >> I tried them years back but they die rather fast. >> I gave up on them after using about ten. They always stuffed >> up at a show. >> My battery setup in the base is easiest and I have good, >> robust, electrics. > > Hi Reg, > I thought you were a big proponent of bbq ignitors on models. Did my > brain > cells short circuit, or have you modified your opinion? > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Jun 17 20:08:26 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 23:08:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Set-up In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050615184457.02236e80@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050615074210.02240f40@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050615184457.02236e80@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <42B3902A.1020200@scrtc.com> Dave, Good job again that you and Arnie have done to set up the SEL area. I enjoyed seeing some of the SEL folks but didn't get to see all due to the limited amount of time I had to spend at Coolspring. Even though it rained (off and on a lot!), Coolspring is always enjoyable. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Hi All, > The SEL Coolspring set up is complete. We are in the second > row (as usual) at the far end near the trees. Jake had some DEMOCRAT > help him set up the row number markings--thus the first row is not > marked(i.e. has no number on it) and the second row is marked "Row 1" > Therefore we are in the second row (the one that is marked "Row 1") at > the far end near the trees. > Dave > PS, Arnie and I should arrive at Coolspring about 9:00 am tomorrow. > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Fri Jun 17 21:31:59 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:31:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] One for the English Message-ID: Hi All, just trying to locate a head for a good friend who doesn't have a computer. He is Robin Knight and he is looking for a head for a Gardener 4VT 2 stroke vertical. If any one knows where one is they can contact me of list and i will pass on the details to Robin.He is willing to purchase from any where in the world. Dave in oz _________________________________________________________________ REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au From alanwh at iinet.net.au Fri Jun 17 22:03:56 2005 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 15:03:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fowler tractor In-Reply-To: <000701c57334$fc90aa40$01baa4cb@fred> Message-ID: <200506180504.j5I5455F019448@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> The fowler starting cartridge recipe is as follows: 22 grains of fff black powder , cover with thick PAPER wad then 160 grains of AR2209 rifle propellant. Do not compress. Hand close, add a drop of super glue to keep shell closed. Never had a problem with this recipe. No responsibility taken though. Regards Barry M. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 10:06 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Fowler tractor Am trying to find information on loading starting cartridges for our fowler tractor, can anyone help? Brian in Melbourne _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jun 18 07:02:28 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 08:02:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC logo pattern References: Message-ID: 'preciate it Bill. I'll look and see if I have any good logo's later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Calvert" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 2:01 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] IHC logo pattern > Richard > > If any one has an item that has a clean logo on it, a clay dam could be > put around the logo and rubber casting compound poured into the area. > Then wax patterns could be made and attached to almost anything. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Strobel [mailto:Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com] > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 12:42 PM > To: sel > Subject: [SEL] IHC logo pattern > > G'day all; > > Will be sending some muffler castings to Rick soon. The small IHC > logo is all but gone. Does anyone have a source for these small logo's > used in the casting process or have any ideas? My only thot is a CNC > machine. > > later, > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Jun 18 07:23:52 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:23:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolsprings Trip Report Message-ID: <003a01c57411$5a0dff60$a65bef18@pengy> My wife Zara and I arrived at Coolsprings around 9 am and set up a makeshift Tod Engine display in the SEL area under Glenn Karch's canopy. Its a good thing as it rained off and on most of the day. I renewed a few old aquaintances and met several SEL members for the first time. I think the highlight for the show for me was the 300 hp Miller engine in operation. Of couse any large engine is going to strike my fancy! >From what I heard the 600 hp Snow is to be reassembled over the next year or two, definately something worthy of seeing in operation. I put all my Coolsprings pics online at: http://community.webshots.com/album/372023284CntEmb Enjoy! Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine Tod Engine Open House Sept. 17 and 18, 2005 From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Jun 18 12:28:33 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 13:28:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Coolsprings Trip Report In-Reply-To: <003a01c57411$5a0dff60$a65bef18@pengy> References: <003a01c57411$5a0dff60$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <42B475E1.4020509@earthlink.net> Great pictures Rick. Thanks for the tour of the museum. They have quite a collection there. I can't believe the size of some of them. Jeff Allen Tod Engine wrote: >My wife Zara and I arrived at Coolsprings around 9 am and set up a makeshift Tod Engine display in the SEL area under Glenn Karch's canopy. Its a good thing as it rained off and on most of the day. I renewed a few old aquaintances and met several SEL members for the first time. > >I think the highlight for the show for me was the 300 hp Miller engine in operation. Of couse any large engine is going to strike my fancy! >From what I heard the 600 hp Snow is to be reassembled over the next year or two, definately something worthy of seeing in operation. > >I put all my Coolsprings pics online at: >http://community.webshots.com/album/372023284CntEmb > >Enjoy! > >Rick Rowlands >Executive Director >Tod Engine Heritage Park >William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine >Youngstown, OH >http://www.todengine.org/ >Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine >Tod Engine Open House Sept. 17 and 18, 2005 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From glenn.karch at gte.net Sat Jun 18 20:40:41 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:40:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tractor References: Message-ID: <007f01c57480$aca29820$8dad123f@oemcomputer> Andy, Hercules did form a tractor compay. They made a couple of prototypes. There were two wheels in front and one rear drive wheel. I think the Graham Bros were also involed. It was demonstrated at some state fairs and orders were taken, but it was never produced. It is said that it was demonstrated in a field at Old Green River Road and Weinbach Ave. I have never seen a good picture of it. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Glines" To: Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 8:41 AM Subject: [SEL] Hercules tractor > A coworker is reading a book about the history of Evansville, IN. The book > states that the Hercules company was involved in building farm tractors. > Did Hercules build tractors? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From segray at mlode.com Sat Jun 18 21:16:07 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:16:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: 1911 Foos engine] Message-ID: <42B4F187.1080900@mlode.com> Hi All - Can anybody help Ken here? Please reply to him directly, he's not on the list. Thanks -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: 1911 Foos engine Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:09:19 -0400 From: kenneth adams To: I need your help. I am looking at a 1911 Foos with an older restoration and cart.I am trying to figure if his asking price is fair at $2,500. Thanks for any you could give me. Ken Adams From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Jun 18 21:31:55 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:31:55 +1000 Subject: [SPAM 0.7 (/)] [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06 PDT) - economy gas en In-Reply-To: <88.28edc560.2fe444cb@aol.com> References: <88.28edc560.2fe444cb@aol.com> Message-ID: <42B4F53B.2060606@steamengine.com.au> Looks like it. If no-one patented the idea then jokers like this are free to sell it if they can. Paul FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > Hi List, > This is an interesting item that is being listed on eBay. It is plans to > build a "sparkler" to replace a magneto on an engine. I wonder if these plans > similar to the ones that was that were listed on SEL several months ago using > a barbeque ignition device? > > _Click here: eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06 PDT) - economy > gas engine sparker box !!!! also_ > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3856305610) <_http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d > ll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3856305610_ > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3856305610) > > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 17/06/2005 From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Jun 19 03:02:07 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:02:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Update on the Ruston Hornsby - PB 3 - The head is off... Message-ID: <42B5429F.3080501@steamengine.com.au> A bit of an update on the Ruston PB 3 I brought home last weekend... http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/rh-pb3/index.html#June_19th_2005_-_Home_and_in_good_nick Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 17/06/2005 From plb at iinet.net.au Sun Jun 19 06:01:20 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:01:20 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Update on the Ruston Hornsby - PB 3 - The head is off... In-Reply-To: <42B5429F.3080501@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <200506191301.j5JD1WjA099621@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Looks like you might be in luck and get it going easy enough Paul. I bored and sleeved one like that a few weeks ago for a bloke in the club here. Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Pavlinovich Sent: Sunday, 19 June 2005 6:02 PM To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Update on the Ruston Hornsby - PB 3 - The head is off... A bit of an update on the Ruston PB 3 I brought home last weekend... http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/rh-pb3/index.html#June_19th_2005_-_ Home_and_in_good_nick Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 17/06/2005 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From shop at cccomm.net Sun Jun 19 12:02:10 2005 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:02:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bull's Eye Engine References: Message-ID: <003e01c57501$65bc3f20$6401a8c0@Shop> Is there anyplace that can date a Ward's Bull's Eye sideshaft engine? It's a 2 horse with serial No.5974 Thanks Dave From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Jun 19 12:18:00 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:18:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Update on the Ruston Hornsby - PB 3 - The head is off... In-Reply-To: <42B5429F.3080501@steamengine.com.au> References: <42B5429F.3080501@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: Cool! That doesn't look bad at all! John On Jun 19, 2005, at 6:02 AM, Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > A bit of an update on the Ruston PB 3 I brought home last weekend... > > http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/rh-pb3/ > index.html#June_19th_2005_-_Home_and_in_good_nick John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Jun 19 15:02:52 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:02:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bull's Eye Engine In-Reply-To: <003e01c57501$65bc3f20$6401a8c0@Shop> References: <003e01c57501$65bc3f20$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <42B5EB8C.5060004@earthlink.net> Hi Dave, Check this link: http://oldengine.org/members/allen/WardCatalogs/WardCatalogs.html I think I have a complete copy of the Bull's Eye engines here also. If you're interested I'll scan it and e-mail it. Don't have time to put it online right now. Jeff Allen Dave Ernst wrote: > Is there anyplace that can date a Ward's Bull's Eye sideshaft engine? > It's a 2 horse with serial No.5974 > > Thanks > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Jun 19 17:00:34 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:00:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bull's Eye Engine In-Reply-To: <003e01c57501$65bc3f20$6401a8c0@Shop> References: <003e01c57501$65bc3f20$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <42B60722.4060801@earthlink.net> Back again Dave, Once scanned half the work was done. Nothing fancy, but here is the catalog. http://oldengine.org/members/allen/BullsEye/Cover1.html Jeff Allen Dave Ernst wrote: > Is there anyplace that can date a Ward's Bull's Eye sideshaft engine? > It's a 2 horse with serial No.5974 > > Thanks > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From nick at holden1.net Mon Jun 20 05:00:15 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:00:15 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Lister Tyndale Rally / fencing gone mad Message-ID: <42B6AFCF.000003.00792@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi all just back from a very good weekend baking in the 90s some very nice engines on show is this health and safty gone mad with the fence? photos at Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Jun 20 06:13:42 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:13:42 EDT Subject: [SEL] Ford V10 Computer External Programmer O.T. Message-ID: <1a3.3601b9e5.2fe81b06@aol.com> From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jun 20 06:21:58 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:21:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06PDT) - economy gas en In-Reply-To: <019e01c57391$439ef430$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <88.28edc560.2fe444cb@aol.com> <42B30356.9050809@imc-group.com> <019e01c57391$439ef430$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <42B6C2F6.5050902@imc-group.com> Reg, Rather than mechanically time it, such as inside an empty EK case, I believe I would attempt an electrical timing. The push button on the new style sparker is quite different than the old style push and click. The new style appears to be just a simple normally open switch. You push it and as long as you hold it in the contact is closed and it makes sparks. In addition to having this push button exposed for easy starting (using the compression method) I believe I would time it by hooking up another set if n/o contacts on the cam gear. I would ti these in parallel across the push button built into the sparker. This way either the cam gear would make the spark in correct time, or you could manually make a spark when starting it. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC R & M Ingold wrote: > How the hell would you time it? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > >> Francis, >> Last weekend I replaced my 20 year old BBQ grill with a new one. It >> has the self start sparker but this one is a little different. You >> unscrew the push knob and put a AA battery inside and screw the knob >> back together. You hold the button in and get spark-spark-spark. >> About 2 or 3 sparks per second as long as you hold the button in. >> Have no idea how long the battery will last but I was thinking this >> would make a heck of a high tension devise to put in a empty EK or PR >> Wico case. Or perhaps even a starting device. Pull the flywheels up >> against compression as far as you can and hit the sparker. Bang she's >> off and running. Might be a useful starting tool for really big >> engines or for guys that no longer have the strength to pull one thru. >> Maybe these have been around, but the only ones I was familiar with >> were the one spark per push/click type without the battery. >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Jun 20 07:41:39 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:41:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps Message-ID: Hey gang..what is the best way to replace the babbitt in the Gal's main bearing caps? I'm thinking..pouring down the 3/8 npt greaser hole. Just thot I'd check with ya'll TIA ' RickinMt. From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Jun 20 08:09:46 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:09:46 EDT Subject: [SEL] Ford V10 Computer External Programmer O.T. Message-ID: Sorry, I don't know what went wrong with my original message. Here is what I meant to send to the list. Francis Hi, Is anyone on the list familiar with a device used on the Ford V 10 engine's computer to enhance its performance? This device is connected to the diagnostic connector port. The device can be manually adjusted to control the performance of the engine to increase power or economy. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jun 20 10:22:30 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:22:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42B6FB56.1060906@imc-group.com> Rick, Oh you are in for fun pouring the uppers without screwing up the lowers! How about this. Drill and tap 4 #8or #10 holes in the caps, 2 on each side at each end near where the radius of the cap meets the flanges of the cap. Set the cap in place with some amount of shim you like and tighten the flange nuts. Now screw in 4 brass #8 screws until they hit the crankshaft. Set the screws using a locking nut. Remove the caps. Now use a piece of TG&P of the same diameter as your crankshaft about an inch longer than the cap. The 4 screws form a cradle for the TG&P to rest in. Dam with Babbittrite, soot the TG&P, heat everything good, and pour it full while upside down. Once cooled and apart you should have a perfectly formed babbitt insert. Drill your oil port, add the groove, chamfer the correct side for shaft rotation and you're good to go. Oh yeah, and remove the brass screws. Plug holes with caulk and paint. Sound reasonable? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Richard Strobel wrote: > Hey gang..what is the best way to replace the babbitt in the Gal's main >bearing caps? I'm thinking..pouring down the 3/8 npt greaser hole. > > Just thot I'd check with ya'll > > >TIA ' >RickinMt. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Jun 20 12:17:58 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:17:58 EDT Subject: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps Message-ID: <205.40386d6.2fe87066@aol.com> In a message dated 6/20/2005 11:37:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << Hey gang..what is the best way to replace the babbitt in the Gal's main bearing caps? I'm thinking..pouring down the 3/8 npt greaser hole. >> Rick, Are you pouring side thrust bearings at the same time? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 14:04:35 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] RE: Update on the Ruston Hornsby - PB 3 - The head is off... Message-ID: <20050620210435.143.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Paul, The light colored deposits in the combustion chamber of the head are lead oxide from using leaded gasoline. This may help to give you an idea of the last time the engine was run. Leaded gasoline in the U.S. was last used around 1978 or so. When I worked as an engine mechanic we were warned to never wire brush the lead oxide deposits out of an engine head without first soaking the deposit with oil or kerosene so it would not throw out fine dust to be inhaled, and then we were again warned to be careful and put a clean rag over our faces and wear eye protection. If you ever get a peculiar sweet taste in your mouth and nose while working on an engine or while welding, the taste is from lead compounds, which are intensly sweet. Children eat old lead paint chips because of the intensly sweet taste. Work and play safely! Richard Allen From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jun 20 14:28:05 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:28:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06PDT)- economy gas en References: <88.28edc560.2fe444cb@aol.com> <42B30356.9050809@imc-group.com><019e01c57391$439ef430$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <42B6C2F6.5050902@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004001c575de$f3bc98a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> How close together are the sparks? Sounds like a capacitor being charged and discharged so with the engine speed. timing could vary dangerously. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Check out eBay item 3856305610 (Ends Jun-25-05 04:17:06PDT)- economy gas en > Reg, > Rather than mechanically time it, such as inside an empty EK case, I > believe I would attempt an electrical timing. The push button on the new > style sparker is quite different than the old style push and click. The > new style appears to be just a simple normally open switch. You push it > and as long as you hold it in the contact is closed and it makes sparks. > In addition to having this push button exposed for easy starting (using > the compression method) I believe I would time it by hooking up another > set if n/o contacts on the cam gear. I would ti these in parallel across > the push button built into the sparker. This way either the cam gear would > make the spark in correct time, or you could manually make a spark when > starting it. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > R & M Ingold wrote: > >> How the hell would you time it? >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> >>> Francis, >>> Last weekend I replaced my 20 year old BBQ grill with a new one. It has >>> the self start sparker but this one is a little different. You unscrew >>> the push knob and put a AA battery inside and screw the knob back >>> together. You hold the button in and get spark-spark-spark. About 2 or 3 >>> sparks per second as long as you hold the button in. Have no idea how >>> long the battery will last but I was thinking this would make a heck of >>> a high tension devise to put in a empty EK or PR Wico case. Or perhaps >>> even a starting device. Pull the flywheels up against compression as far >>> as you can and hit the sparker. Bang she's off and running. Might be a >>> useful starting tool for really big engines or for guys that no longer >>> have the strength to pull one thru. >>> Maybe these have been around, but the only ones I was familiar with were >>> the one spark per push/click type without the battery. >>> Curt Holland >>> Gastonia, NC >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Jun 20 16:12:32 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:12:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Update on the Ruston Hornsby - PB 3 - The head is off... In-Reply-To: <20050620210435.143.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050620210435.143.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <622be4aa8accd0eea76dbb27ab8e925a@chartertn.net> > If you ever get a peculiar sweet taste in your mouth and > nose while working on an engine or while welding, the taste is from > lead compounds, which are intensly sweet. Children eat old lead paint > chips because of the intensly sweet taste. Just today, a lady who works in my office told me that her mother used to put "sugar of lead" (lead acetate) on rashes like poison ivy. Said it provided quick relief. Asked me if I'd tried it. I advised that it's readily absorbed through the skin and very poisonous. New one on me. Many cases of lead and other heavy metal poisoning nowadays are from folk remedies. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Jun 20 18:34:16 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:34:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps References: <205.40386d6.2fe87066@aol.com> Message-ID: Yes, Tom Rick > Rick, > > Are you pouring side thrust bearings at the same time? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Jun 20 20:30:22 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:30:22 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Lister Tyndale Rally / fencing gone mad References: <42B6AFCF.000003.00792@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <000b01c57611$9801e5f0$3c9681cb@ogborneuah38i3> Unfortunately Nick this seems the case. One of the clubs i belong to has gone down this path . As a matter of interest ,how do you get this fencing to the rally,s? ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick" To: Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:00 PM Subject: [SEL] Lister Tyndale Rally / fencing gone mad > Hi all > just back from a very good weekend baking in the 90s > some very nice engines on show > is this health and safty gone mad with the fence? > photos at > > Nick Holden > Banbury > Oxfordshire (UK) > nick at holden1.net > http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jun 20 20:52:05 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:52:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Lister Tyndale Rally / fencing gone mad In-Reply-To: <42B6AFCF.000003.00792@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <20050621035157.BKJO12533.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Those fences are a little over the top. They could not be used here as they would be considered a tripping hazard due to the protruding legs! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi all just back from a very good weekend baking in the 90s some very nice engines on show is this health and safty gone mad with the fence? photos at Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jun 20 21:02:20 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:02:20 +1000 Subject: [SEL] TOMM Warning (for OZ listers) Message-ID: <20050621040211.BWUV12533.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> This warning is on the main page of the TOMM site: WE WISH TO ADVISE THAT THERE IS A PERSON CALLING FROM THE WOLLONGONG, NSW, AREA WHO IS CONTACTING COLLECTORS WHO ARE RUNNING WANTED (TRACTOR PARTS) ADS IN VARIOUS CURRENT AND BACK ISSUES OF THIS MAGAZINE. THE PERSON CREATES A SENSE OF URGENCY, ADVISING COLLECTORS THAT THE MONEY MUST BE DEPOSITED INTO A SPECIFIED BANK ACCOUNT BEFORE THE PARTS CAN BE SENT. THE PARTS THEN FAIL TO TURN UP. A NUMBER OF SUBSCRIBERS HAVE ALREADY BEEN CAUGHT AND HAVE NOTIFIED US OF WHAT IS HAPPENING. THE POLICE HAVE ALSO BEEN NOTIFIED. FOR MORE INFORMATION, FEEL FREE TO CONTACT OUR OFFICE (02) 65815200 The more warned the better. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Jun 20 22:14:56 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:14:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] TOMM Warning (for OZ listers) References: <20050621040211.BWUV12533.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <000d01c57620$2a3d0400$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Thanks Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 2:02 PM Subject: [SEL] TOMM Warning (for OZ listers) > This warning is on the main page of the TOMM site: > > WE WISH TO ADVISE THAT THERE IS A PERSON CALLING FROM THE WOLLONGONG, NSW, > AREA WHO IS CONTACTING COLLECTORS WHO ARE RUNNING WANTED (TRACTOR PARTS) ADS > IN VARIOUS CURRENT AND BACK ISSUES OF THIS MAGAZINE. THE PERSON CREATES A > SENSE OF URGENCY, ADVISING COLLECTORS THAT THE MONEY MUST BE DEPOSITED INTO > A SPECIFIED BANK ACCOUNT BEFORE THE PARTS CAN BE SENT. THE PARTS THEN FAIL > TO TURN UP. A NUMBER OF SUBSCRIBERS HAVE ALREADY BEEN CAUGHT AND HAVE > NOTIFIED US OF WHAT IS HAPPENING. THE POLICE HAVE ALSO BEEN NOTIFIED. FOR > MORE INFORMATION, FEEL FREE TO CONTACT OUR OFFICE (02) 65815200 > > > The more warned the better. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 21 01:07:23 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:07:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] TOMM Warning (for OZ listers) In-Reply-To: <20050621040211.BWUV12533.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Thanks Patrick for the warning, people like this make my blood boil, all it does is give us the honest ones who are trying to help out our fellow collectors by surplying those hard to get parts a bad name and also makes one think twice about replying to want ads. Dave >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" , >"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >Subject: [SEL] TOMM Warning (for OZ listers) >Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:02:20 +1000 > >This warning is on the main page of the TOMM site: > >WE WISH TO ADVISE THAT THERE IS A PERSON CALLING FROM THE WOLLONGONG, NSW, >AREA WHO IS CONTACTING COLLECTORS WHO ARE RUNNING WANTED (TRACTOR PARTS) >ADS >IN VARIOUS CURRENT AND BACK ISSUES OF THIS MAGAZINE. THE PERSON CREATES A >SENSE OF URGENCY, ADVISING COLLECTORS THAT THE MONEY MUST BE DEPOSITED INTO >A SPECIFIED BANK ACCOUNT BEFORE THE PARTS CAN BE SENT. THE PARTS THEN FAIL >TO TURN UP. A NUMBER OF SUBSCRIBERS HAVE ALREADY BEEN CAUGHT AND HAVE >NOTIFIED US OF WHAT IS HAPPENING. THE POLICE HAVE ALSO BEEN NOTIFIED. FOR >MORE INFORMATION, FEEL FREE TO CONTACT OUR OFFICE (02) 65815200 > > >The more warned the better. > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Sell your car for $9 on carpoint.com.au http://www.carpoint.com.au/sellyourcar From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Jun 21 03:12:28 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:12:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Update on the Ruston Hornsby - PB 3 - The head is off... In-Reply-To: <20050620210435.143.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050620210435.143.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42B7E80C.2060004@steamengine.com.au> Good advice Richard - Thanks. Leaded petrol was available here until the early 90's in some places. I won't need to wire brush out the lead oxide - it is just falling off - I'll pull it out and get rid of it next time I touch the engine. Paul Richard Allen wrote: > Hi, Paul, > > The light colored deposits in the combustion chamber of the head are > lead oxide from using leaded gasoline. This may help to give you an > idea of the last time the engine was run. Leaded gasoline in the U.S. > was last used around 1978 or so. When I worked as an engine mechanic we > were warned to never wire brush the lead oxide deposits out of an > engine head without first soaking the deposit with oil or kerosene so > it would not throw out fine dust to be inhaled, and then we were again > warned to be careful and put a clean rag over our faces and wear eye > protection. If you ever get a peculiar sweet taste in your mouth and > nose while working on an engine or while welding, the taste is from > lead compounds, which are intensly sweet. Children eat old lead paint > chips because of the intensly sweet taste. > > Work and play safely! > > Richard Allen > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Jun 21 03:15:33 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:15:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies Message-ID: <42B7E8C5.5020002@steamengine.com.au> Hi guys, Now that Power Kerosene is well and truly unavailable, what are people using instead? If used a 50:50 mix of mineral spirit and lighting kerosene used but it fouls the plugs (not hot enough - too much soot?). Yes, I know you can just run the engines on petrol, but I like playing with stuff :) Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jun 20 21:30:50 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:30:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oil drips In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050621002901.0d6450e0@mail.alltel.net> Hi George, I know that you are not a DEMOCRAT--and therefore know that words mean things. Nuf said! Dave At 10:48 AM 6/16/2005, you wrote: >Dave, > >You're right, that the piston is getting the same amount of oil. >However, the piston is traveling 3 times the distance in that same >period which means it is getting one third the amount of oil for the >distance traveled. > >Some people get so picky over what you say rather than what you meant >;-) > >George > >Ps... Changed the subject since we're not talking about the Sattley >manual anymore. Of course this thread has about run its course, so the >change probably isn't needed. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > Dave Rotigel > > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 4:19 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Sattley manual > > > > > > >If you take your show engine and speed it up to 300rpm, the > > piston is > > >traveling 3 times the distance per minute than it was at the > > low show > > >speed. Consequently, the piston is now only getting one third the > > >amount of oil it was previously. > > >George > > > > Hi George, > > Think a bit about your above statement. > > Dave > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Jun 21 03:58:09 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:58:09 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies References: <42B7E8C5.5020002@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <002001c57650$2528a890$299881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Make friends with your local Helicopter people and ask them to give you the remains of the test samples and the out of date fuel........that's what we do. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 6:15 PM Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies > Hi guys, > Now that Power Kerosene is well and truly unavailable, what are people > using instead? If used a 50:50 mix of mineral spirit and lighting kerosene > used but it fouls the plugs (not hot enough - too much soot?). > > Yes, I know you can just run the engines on petrol, but I like playing > with stuff :) > > Paul > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jun 21 04:32:46 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:32:46 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies In-Reply-To: <002001c57650$2528a890$299881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <20050621113246.43688.qmail@web25503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Make friends with your local Helicopter people and ask them to give you the > remains of the test samples and the out of date fuel........that's what we > do. ...and when I was working on offshore rigs, that amounted to at least 8 litres/day, depending upon how many helos landed. Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Jun 21 05:24:50 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:24:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies References: <42B7E8C5.5020002@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <002501c5765c$392ac420$1684dccb@oemcomputer> Paul .Why do you need to use power kero.This is not what was used in these engines.Just plain old ordinary Kero.I run all my oil engines on kero and sometimes just for fun my other kero engines and have never had any problems.No special mixes.Most of these engines were being used long before anyone even thought of power kero.If you get your engines hot enough there is no trouble with sooting but we run our engines mostly no load and they take a long time to get hot enough to run properly on kero. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:15 Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies > Hi guys, > Now that Power Kerosene is well and truly unavailable, what are people > using instead? If used a 50:50 mix of mineral spirit and lighting > kerosene used but it fouls the plugs (not hot enough - too much soot?). > > Yes, I know you can just run the engines on petrol, but I like playing > with stuff :) > > Paul > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Jun 21 06:07:54 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 06:07:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Power Kerosene replacement recipies In-Reply-To: <42B7E8C5.5020002@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <200506211308.j5LD82Mc068208@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Now that Power Kerosene is well and truly unavailable, what > are people using instead? If used a 50:50 mix of mineral spirit > and lighting kerosene used but it fouls the plugs (not hot enough > - too much soot?). > > Yes, I know you can just run the engines on petrol, but I > like playing with stuff :) Hi Paul, Your experiments make perfect sense. Running a kerosene engine on gasoline is like inviting Wolfgang Puck over for dinner and serving him Hamburger Helper. The Jet-A that is available from the airports is very similar to kerosene. We've used this in the Rumely, but don't any more because airports are not the friendliest places for weird guys who want to fill the back of their vans up with fuel. In our Hornsby, we burn 1-K which is readily available from petroleum products distributors. Sometimes it's dyed red to discourage people from using it in their Diesel engines on public roads. It would seem silly though, to run $7 per gallon kerosene when Diesel is available for a third that price. The Rumely is thirsty and not economical to run on 1-K, so we mix Diesel and gasoline. The mixture we use varies, but perhaps a mixture of two parts gasoline and one part Diesel would be a good place to start experimenting. Since you already have kerosene on hand, you can try sweetening it up with gasoline. Rob From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jun 21 07:42:53 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:42:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps References: <42B6FB56.1060906@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Ok..we give up here in sheep country:-)) What is TG&P?? And once again Curt..why can't I just use the cs instead of the TG&P? It's clean of any garbage and would mark/index, etc., until the cows come home. later pard. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps > Rick, > Oh you are in for fun pouring the uppers without screwing up the lowers! > How about this. Drill and tap 4 #8or #10 holes in the caps, 2 on each > side at each end near where the radius of the cap meets the flanges of > the cap. Set the cap in place with some amount of shim you like and > tighten the flange nuts. Now screw in 4 brass #8 screws until they hit > the crankshaft. Set the screws using a locking nut. Remove the caps. Now > use a piece of TG&P of the same diameter as your crankshaft about an > inch longer than the cap. The 4 screws form a cradle for the TG&P to > rest in. Dam with Babbittrite, soot the TG&P, heat everything good, and > pour it full while upside down. Once cooled and apart you should have a > perfectly formed babbitt insert. Drill your oil port, add the groove, > chamfer the correct side for shaft rotation and you're good to go. Oh > yeah, and remove the brass screws. Plug holes with caulk and paint. > Sound reasonable? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > > Hey gang..what is the best way to replace the babbitt in the Gal's main > >bearing caps? I'm thinking..pouring down the 3/8 npt greaser hole. > > > > Just thot I'd check with ya'll > > > > > >TIA ' > >RickinMt. > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jun 21 08:52:50 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:52:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps In-Reply-To: References: <42B6FB56.1060906@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42B837D2.1030605@imc-group.com> Turned, Ground, and Polished. Crankshaft is fine if you can deal with the cumberance of it. I figured you had the flywheels back on it and it was set in place already. My thinking was to cut a short piece maybe an inch longer than the cap is wide, so you would have a small, easy to handle and heat unit that was easy to pour into. Curt Richard Strobel wrote: >Ok..we give up here in sheep country:-)) What is TG&P?? > >And once again Curt..why can't I just use the cs instead of the TG&P? It's >clean of any garbage and would mark/index, etc., until the cows come home. > >later pard. >Rick > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Curt" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:22 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps > > > > >>Rick, >>Oh you are in for fun pouring the uppers without screwing up the lowers! >>How about this. Drill and tap 4 #8or #10 holes in the caps, 2 on each >>side at each end near where the radius of the cap meets the flanges of >>the cap. Set the cap in place with some amount of shim you like and >>tighten the flange nuts. Now screw in 4 brass #8 screws until they hit >>the crankshaft. Set the screws using a locking nut. Remove the caps. Now >>use a piece of TG&P of the same diameter as your crankshaft about an >>inch longer than the cap. The 4 screws form a cradle for the TG&P to >>rest in. Dam with Babbittrite, soot the TG&P, heat everything good, and >>pour it full while upside down. Once cooled and apart you should have a >>perfectly formed babbitt insert. Drill your oil port, add the groove, >>chamfer the correct side for shaft rotation and you're good to go. Oh >>yeah, and remove the brass screws. Plug holes with caulk and paint. >>Sound reasonable? >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >> >>Richard Strobel wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hey gang..what is the best way to replace the babbitt in the Gal's main >>>bearing caps? I'm thinking..pouring down the 3/8 npt greaser hole. >>> >>> Just thot I'd check with ya'll >>> >>> >>>TIA ' >>>RickinMt. >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Mon Jun 20 14:58:21 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Sandwich IL Engine & Tractor Show Message-ID: <20050620215821.93681.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Just wanted to invite all of you to this years show this coming weekend, June 25-26. Feature is Ford Tractors and Jacob Haish Built engines (including Great Western, Early Rock Island, Appleton, Chanticleer). More info at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/ Steve PS - Extra points if you cross the pond to get here... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Jun 21 09:47:54 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:47:54 EDT Subject: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps Message-ID: <1a0.3634f3d5.2fe99eba@aol.com> In a message dated 6/20/2005 9:55:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << Are you pouring side thrust bearings at the same time? >> Rick, What I did was to make spacer shims out of head gasket material that went tight against the crank shaft and held in place with the bearing cap bolts, but without the caps in place. Use babbitrite, etc., to form a dam and funnel to pour the bottom mains. Exit hole on the other side of course. With crank shimmed off floor in proper location, pour bottoms. Clean up bottom mains after pouring, put back in gasket shims and top caps to keep top hot babbit from ruining the bottoms as Curt said, Dam everything accordingly and pour top mains. Put a thin wall tubing down the grease hole and dam on underside to keep the babbit out of threads. Pour thru tubing clean up, install regular shims, or use the head gasket shim. Works for me. Like a fellow told me once, what do you have to loose, but remelt the babbit and try again! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From nick at holden1.net Tue Jun 21 12:06:22 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:06:22 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Lister Tyndale Rally / fencing gone mad References: <000b01c57611$9801e5f0$3c9681cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <42B8652E.000005.02252@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Peter as i have nothing to do with the show onley take my engine i am not shure but i think they have to hire it and all that does is take more money away from any good cause that may otherwise have been helped nick -------Original Message------- From: peter ogborne Date: 06/21/05 04:47:22 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister Tyndale Rally / fencing gone mad Unfortunately Nick this seems the case. One of the clubs i belong to has gone down this path . As a matter of interest ,how do you get this fencing to the rally,s? ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick" To: Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:00 PM Subject: [SEL] Lister Tyndale Rally / fencing gone mad > Hi all > just back from a very good weekend baking in the 90s > some very nice engines on show > is this health and safty gone mad with the fence? > photos at > > Nick Holden > Banbury > Oxfordshire (UK) > nick at holden1.net > http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Jun 21 11:05:50 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:05:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sandwich IL Engine & Tractor Show Message-ID: <20050621.150743.800.0.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks for the invite, Steve. I'm committed to Marshal County's show in Moundsville WV. Even so, you're a little far away for me. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jun 21 13:38:03 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:38:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps References: <42B6FB56.1060906@imc-group.com> <42B837D2.1030605@imc-group.com> Message-ID: IC..yes the short TG&P would be easier to work with all around. My concern (and tunnel vision big time) is the radius that has to be dealth with. And If I remember right you deal with that later. Thanks pard...heat has hit hear with a vengence!!! ] RickinMt. > Turned, Ground, and Polished. Crankshaft is fine if you can deal with > the cumberance of it. I figured you had the flywheels back on it and it > was set in place already. > My thinking was to cut a short piece maybe an inch longer than the cap > is wide, so you would have a small, easy to handle and heat unit that > was easy to pour into. > Curt > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > >Ok..we give up here in sheep country:-)) What is TG&P?? > > > >And once again Curt..why can't I just use the cs instead of the TG&P? > >It's > >clean of any garbage and would mark/index, etc., until the cows come > >home. > > > >later pard. > >Rick > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Curt" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:22 AM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps > > > > > > > > > >>Rick, > >>Oh you are in for fun pouring the uppers without screwing up the lowers! > >>How about this. Drill and tap 4 #8or #10 holes in the caps, 2 on each > >>side at each end near where the radius of the cap meets the flanges of > >>the cap. Set the cap in place with some amount of shim you like and > >>tighten the flange nuts. Now screw in 4 brass #8 screws until they hit > >>the crankshaft. Set the screws using a locking nut. Remove the caps. Now > >>use a piece of TG&P of the same diameter as your crankshaft about an > >>inch longer than the cap. The 4 screws form a cradle for the TG&P to > >>rest in. Dam with Babbittrite, soot the TG&P, heat everything good, and > >>pour it full while upside down. Once cooled and apart you should have a > >>perfectly formed babbitt insert. Drill your oil port, add the groove, > >>chamfer the correct side for shaft rotation and you're good to go. Oh > >>yeah, and remove the brass screws. Plug holes with caulk and paint. > >>Sound reasonable? > >>Curt Holland > >>Gastonia, NC > >> > >>Richard Strobel wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> Hey gang..what is the best way to replace the babbitt in the Gal's > >>> main > >>>bearing caps? I'm thinking..pouring down the 3/8 npt greaser hole. > >>> > >>> Just thot I'd check with ya'll > >>> > >>> > >>>TIA ' > >>>RickinMt. > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>SEL mailing list > >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jun 21 14:00:56 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:00:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps References: <1a0.3634f3d5.2fe99eba@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks Tom..ya done good! I think my problems in the past have been not enuf preheat so the babbitt flows to the furthest corner or I don't have the babbitt hot enuf...kinda paranoid on that one...another good reason to use the TG&P I guess. The crank straightener did mention that he trued up the cs main bearing surface as it was slighly oblong..so I might be doing bottom bearing babbitt's also..we'll see when I get the cs back this weekend. As always..'preciate the comeback. One of these days I'll send an old fan to ya. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps > In a message dated 6/20/2005 9:55:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > > << Are you pouring side thrust bearings at the same time? >> > > > Rick, > > What I did was to make spacer shims out of head gasket material that went > tight against the crank shaft and held in place with the bearing cap > bolts, but > without the caps in place. Use babbitrite, etc., to form a dam and funnel > to > pour the bottom mains. Exit hole on the other side of course. With crank > shimmed off floor in proper location, pour bottoms. Clean up bottom mains > after > pouring, put back in gasket shims and top caps to keep top hot babbit from > ruining the bottoms as Curt said, Dam everything accordingly and pour top > mains. > Put a thin wall tubing down the grease hole and dam on underside to keep > the > babbit out of threads. Pour thru tubing clean up, install regular shims, > or use > the head gasket shim. Works for me. > > Like a fellow told me once, what do you have to loose, but remelt the > babbit > and try again! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Jun 21 16:11:07 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:11:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: old engine] Message-ID: <42B89E8B.9080803@earthlink.net> Hi all, If you can help respond direct. He's not on the lists. filipache_adrian at yahoo.com Jeff Allen -------- Original Message -------- Subject: old engine Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 23:49:15 -0700 (PDT) From: filipache adrian To: transteck at earthlink.net I have 2 old engine, mark Anton Schluter, made in Germany approximately 1920.They are very beautiful and intersting curio. I want more information about Anton Schluter. Thank you! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Jun 21 16:25:00 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:25:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] Replacing Babbitt in M/B caps Message-ID: <96.29cf15b6.2fe9fbcc@aol.com> In a message dated 6/21/2005 5:24:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << I think my problems in the past have been not enuf preheat so the babbitt flows to the furthest corner or I don't have the babbitt hot enuf. >> Rick, At the furthest corner you have to have a vent to flow properly also. I think some will put a heat lamp on the area for a while to preheat and help flow. What is the old test for proper babbit temperature--- charring of a test pine stick? Have fun! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Jun 21 16:27:07 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:27:07 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Lister Tyndale Rally / fencing gone mad References: <000b01c57611$9801e5f0$3c9681cb@ogborneuah38i3> <42B8652E.000005.02252@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <001501c576b8$c2075e50$999281cb@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Nick . As i said i belong to three clubs one of which has a very fancy and expensive aluminium fence . This has to be transported to the shows in a specially built trailer!!! And who tows the trailer ....that is a problem. It is unfortunate that it has come to this state of affairs . However the other two clubs are still using basic fencing . ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister Tyndale Rally / fencing gone mad > Hi Peter as i have nothing to do with the show onley take my engine > i am not shure but i think they have to hire it and all that does is take > more > money away from any good cause that may otherwise have been helped > > nick > > -------Original Message------- > > From: peter ogborne > Date: 06/21/05 04:47:22 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister Tyndale Rally / fencing gone mad > > Unfortunately Nick this seems the case. One of the clubs i belong to has > gone down this path . As a matter of interest ,how do you get this fencing > to the rally,s? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nick" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:00 PM > Subject: [SEL] Lister Tyndale Rally / fencing gone mad > > >> Hi all >> just back from a very good weekend baking in the 90s >> some very nice engines on show >> is this health and safty gone mad with the fence? >> photos at >> >> Nick Holden >> Banbury >> Oxfordshire (UK) >> nick at holden1.net >> http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From alanwh at iinet.net.au Tue Jun 21 17:07:18 2005 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:07:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies In-Reply-To: <002501c5765c$392ac420$1684dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <200506220007.j5M07Gfc031145@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Edd Interesting I wonder when power kero was first used Alan Wheaton -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of edd payne Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:25 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies Paul .Why do you need to use power kero.This is not what was used in these engines.Just plain old ordinary Kero.I run all my oil engines on kero and sometimes just for fun my other kero engines and have never had any problems.No special mixes.Most of these engines were being used long before anyone even thought of power kero.If you get your engines hot enough there is no trouble with sooting but we run our engines mostly no load and they take a long time to get hot enough to run properly on kero. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:15 Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies > Hi guys, > Now that Power Kerosene is well and truly unavailable, what are people > using instead? If used a 50:50 mix of mineral spirit and lighting > kerosene used but it fouls the plugs (not hot enough - too much soot?). > > Yes, I know you can just run the engines on petrol, but I like playing > with stuff :) > > Paul > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Jun 21 20:14:45 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:14:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies In-Reply-To: <42B7E8C5.5020002@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <20050622031435.SKUQ20594.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I use lighting kerosene in my Austral and we use the same thing in the various Blackstones, Hornsbys and Crossleys up here. I have never bothered to try kero in my spark plug kero engines for two reasons; they don't get hot enough; my spark plug kerosene engines are thirsty buggers and kero is a lot more expensive than petrol. The big R&V is petrol/kero but there is no way I could ever get it hot enough to burn kero. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi guys, Now that Power Kerosene is well and truly unavailable, what are people using instead? If used a 50:50 mix of mineral spirit and lighting kerosene used but it fouls the plugs (not hot enough - too much soot?). Yes, I know you can just run the engines on petrol, but I like playing with stuff :) Paul From rdi at rochester.rr.com Tue Jun 21 20:45:36 2005 From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:45:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Update on the Ruston Hornsby - PB 3 - The head is off... Message-ID: <000c01c576dc$d9bc34c0$5d56cc45@rochester.rr.com> Richard Allen writes: >This may help to give you an idea of the last time the >engine was run. Leaded gasoline in the U.S. >was last used around 1978 or so. That may(?) have been the original plan, but the EPA backed off in the end, and let the free market determine when lead in gas went away (lower/no demand=stop production). The summer of 1991 was the last time I personally bought leaded gas for my car here in western NY. -Rick I. From gwaugh at wowway.com Tue Jun 21 22:04:35 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:04:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Update on the Ruston Hornsby - PB 3 - The head is off... In-Reply-To: <000c01c576dc$d9bc34c0$5d56cc45@rochester.rr.com> References: <000c01c576dc$d9bc34c0$5d56cc45@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <42B8F163.8050309@wowway.com> Rick I. wrote: > Richard Allen writes: > > >>This may help to give you an idea of the last time the >>engine was run. Leaded gasoline in the U.S. >>was last used around 1978 or so. > > > That may(?) have been the original plan, but the EPA backed off in the end, > and let the free market determine when lead in gas went away (lower/no > demand=stop production). The summer of 1991 was the last time I personally > bought leaded gas for my car here in western NY. > > -Rick I. > > _______________________________________________ I lived in rural Arizona until about 11-12 years ago, and I think you could still see leaded when I left. You gotta remember, out west, lots of cars n trucks last much longer than in other parts of the country! -- Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois 60123 USA From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Wed Jun 22 02:50:21 2005 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:50:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Power Kerosene replacement recipies References: 42577096 Message-ID: <001c01c5770f$cf5de860$0301a8c0@Young1203> I use the ordinary blue dyed kero available in supermarkets to run my Allan. It runs no problems now although it did take take a while to get the settings right - fuel valve duration being found to be important. 20 minutes of blow lamp to get started now and it goes all day at about 150rpm provided I slow the water circulation down a bit. If I forget to slow down the cooling water, it stops in a smokey blue haze after a few hours!! I am told Hornsby's are a bit fussy with fuel but I am yet to find out if helicopter juice is worth the trouble with them. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: ; "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:07 PM Subject: [SEL] RE: Power Kerosene replacement recipies > > > Now that Power Kerosene is well and truly unavailable, what > > are people using instead? If used a 50:50 mix of mineral spirit > > and lighting kerosene used but it fouls the plugs (not hot enough > > - too much soot?). > > > > Yes, I know you can just run the engines on petrol, but I > > like playing with stuff :) > > Hi Paul, > Your experiments make perfect sense. Running a kerosene engine on gasoline is > like inviting Wolfgang Puck over for dinner and serving him Hamburger Helper. > > The Jet-A that is available from the airports is very similar to kerosene. > We've used this in the Rumely, but don't any more because airports are not the > friendliest places for weird guys who want to fill the back of their vans up > with fuel. > > In our Hornsby, we burn 1-K which is readily available from petroleum products > distributors. Sometimes it's dyed red to discourage people from using it in > their Diesel engines on public roads. It would seem silly though, to run $7 per > gallon kerosene when Diesel is available for a third that price. > > The Rumely is thirsty and not economical to run on 1-K, so we mix Diesel a nd > gasoline. The mixture we use varies, but perhaps a mixture of two parts > gasoline and one part Diesel would be a good place to start experimenting. > > Since you already have kerosene on hand, you can try sweetening it up with > gasoline. > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Wed Jun 22 02:54:40 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:54:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies In-Reply-To: <200506220007.j5M07Gfc031145@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200506220007.j5M07Gfc031145@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <42B93560.2060002@steamengine.com.au> 1909 is the first reference I've ever seen for it. TVO (Tractor Vaporising Oil) which is basically the same appeared during WWI when petrol was rationed. Paul Alan wrote: > Hi Edd > Interesting I wonder when power kero was first used > > Alan Wheaton > > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.10/25 - Release Date: 21/06/2005 From brock at netspeed.com.au Wed Jun 22 03:56:05 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:56:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies References: <42B7E8C5.5020002@steamengine.com.au> <002501c5765c$392ac420$1684dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001d01c57718$feb21010$5f11fea9@merlin> I agree with you Edd if the truth be known about power kero needs a lot higher heat rate to burn fully thats why it was used in tractors i knew a guy who worked for Ronaldson tippett he told me during the 1930,s 40,s farmer put power kero in there engines after a few weeks they would gum up and lock up the engines had to be striped down i have seen this first hand a few years ago a guy in our club put power kero in his 16 hp Austral oil engine it gumed up after a days running it locked up we had to take the piston out to clean it . and as far as TVO fuel in the original hornsby akroyd hand book dated 1900 it states that they used HVO , hornsby vaporising oil , that was made of Russian crude that it is stated in the hornsby book . Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies > Paul .Why do you need to use power kero.This is not what was used in these > engines.Just plain old ordinary Kero.I run all my oil engines on kero and > sometimes just for fun my other kero engines and have never had any > problems.No special mixes.Most of these engines were being used long > before > anyone even thought of power kero.If you get your engines hot enough there > is no trouble with sooting but we run our engines mostly no load and they > take a long time to get hot enough to run properly on kero. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Pavlinovich" > To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:15 > Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies > > >> Hi guys, >> Now that Power Kerosene is well and truly unavailable, what are people >> using instead? If used a 50:50 mix of mineral spirit and lighting >> kerosene used but it fouls the plugs (not hot enough - too much soot?). >> >> Yes, I know you can just run the engines on petrol, but I like playing >> with stuff :) >> >> Paul >> -- >> >> pjp at steamengine.com.au >> Emerald, Victoria, Australia >> www.steamengine.com.au >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jun 22 05:07:13 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:07:13 EDT Subject: [SEL] what is it? OT Message-ID: <1e0.3ec7a5ae.2feaae71@aol.com> This is my latest acquisition of "things" I own. I will call it an overgrown mortar/pedestal from a very large drug store. HA! It is about 8 inches diameter, 8 inches tall and very heavy cast iron. The bottom of the "mortar" is very smooth as is the bottom of the "Pedestal". It is obviously made to grind something, but what? Guess I will have to start my tedious checking thru the patent office. On the handle is embossed: E. N. RIOTTE MAKER 104 Washington St. NY On the "pedestal" is embossed: J. S. BUCK Pat DEC 14, 1880 Pictures at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/grinder1 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/grinder2 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/grinder3 Any ideas? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Jun 22 10:00:44 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:00:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Kerosene In-Reply-To: <200506220007.j5M07Gfc031145@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200506221700.j5MH0sVd043597@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I'm sceptical of the practice of using the terms "power kerosene" and "lighting kerosene" to describe a specific product. I've found no technical references that utilize such nomenclature and no references that specifically describe the characteristics of either. In studying old texts, it is clear that "gasoline" is a word used to describe high-end petroleum distilates and "kerosene" became a catch-all word for heavier fuels. "Burning Oil" has also been used to describe heavier fuels. These are generic terms, not unlike "beer" or "meat." We toss the words around freely, but without further elaboration, we don't know exactly what they mean. One clue in our search for the characteristics of kerosene as was used in early engines is Britain's Petroleum Act of 1873, and later 1879. It stated that oils for illuminating purposes would have a flash point of no lower than 73 degrees Fahrenheit. There were already severe restrictions on the handling of lighter fuels. The restrictions on "gasoline" encouraged manufacturers to build engines that utilized "burning oils." Robinson published the characteristics of burning oils available in Britain in the mid 1800's. Specific gravities ranged from 0.797 to 0.825. Flash points ranged from 75 degrees to 152 degrees. Other physical characteristics varied just as wildly. Factors that determined the characteristics of the finished product were the origin of the crude oil and the techniques used in refining. Clerk states the obvious when he notes that the type of vaporizor used will be dependent on the type of burning oil used for fuel. A review of modern MSDS sheets reveals that "kerosene" is still a generic term for a myriad of products. Flash point, which I might add is only one physical characteristic of interest to the engineman, varies from 95 to 170 degrees Fahrenheit. We can be certain that there was no standardized fuel that was used by engine manufacturers. The kerosene that Priestman was using was different than the kerosene that Secor was using, which was different than the kerosene that Wilbur J. Austral was using. If we are to believe Clerk, then we must assume that the Austral fuel probably wasn't the best fuel for the Priestman, and vice-versa. But we must also assume that as soon as the engine left the factory, it would be run on fuels with wide ranging characteristics. This would especially be true in engines that were exported to distant locations. Keeping that in mind the diverse fuels of the past, if we are having problems running an old engine today, it would behoove us to look for causes other than the chemical composition of the fuel. With that said, if we find that an engine runs more nicely when we sweeten the kerosene with a spash of gasoline, there is no compelling reason not to do so. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From christison at coastalnet.com Wed Jun 22 10:52:20 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:52:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] what is it? OT Message-ID: <410-220056322175220765@coastalnet.com> Tom, Check patent number 235505. An amalgamating mortar. Take care. Ken > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 6/22/2005 8:28:16 AM > Subject: [SEL] what is it? OT > > This is my latest acquisition of "things" I own. I will call it an overgrown > mortar/pedestal from a very large drug store. > > On the "pedestal" is embossed: > > J. S. BUCK > Pat DEC 14, 1880 > Any ideas? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com From plb at iinet.net.au Wed Jun 22 06:56:18 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:56:18 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies In-Reply-To: <20050622031435.SKUQ20594.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <200506221848.j5MImtUn084997@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I remember us having a International badged Ronaldson Tippett N on the farm. It run a 2 inch pump everyday for as long as I can remember. The fuel tank never had anything in it except power kero. To start it we would dribble maybe 1/4 of a teaspoon of petrol on the intake. It would start on that straight away and as soon as it was up to speed there was nothing there but kero. The other thing I remember about it was our shut off device. When the pump had filled the tank it overflowed over the top of the engine and drowned it. I can only recall once or twice having trouble starting it. Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 11:15 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list'; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: RE: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies I use lighting kerosene in my Austral and we use the same thing in the various Blackstones, Hornsbys and Crossleys up here. I have never bothered to try kero in my spark plug kero engines for two reasons; they don't get hot enough; my spark plug kerosene engines are thirsty buggers and kero is a lot more expensive than petrol. The big R&V is petrol/kero but there is no way I could ever get it hot enough to burn kero. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi guys, Now that Power Kerosene is well and truly unavailable, what are people using instead? If used a 50:50 mix of mineral spirit and lighting kerosene used but it fouls the plugs (not hot enough - too much soot?). Yes, I know you can just run the engines on petrol, but I like playing with stuff :) Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jun 22 12:25:43 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:25:43 EDT Subject: [SEL] what is it? OT Message-ID: <213.35573f7.2feb1537@aol.com> In a message dated 6/22/2005 2:12:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, christison at coastalnet.com writes: << Check patent number 235505. An amalgamating mortar. >> Ken, You are most amazing and how did you find so quick, pure luck? I have not had a chance till now to come back to computer as I have had my 8 year old neighbor and he and I fixed his and Millie's old mailboxes. They were mounted beside each other on FFA concrete posts years ago, wood brackets rotted, rusty, flaking paint, etc. So, we cleaned everything, made new mounting boards, painted everything and reinstalled. His mother was glad for me to keep him for the day and impressed at our work. Of course I had told her to make sure he had on old clothes, but had not told her of our plans. Her and young daughter are now visiting and in the pool with Millie. Will have a photo later. Do you know what amalgamating, quicksilver,etc is doing for the finished product. Maybe look up the Robertson process. We are headed for Hatteras Saturday for the week. Thanks, Tom From George_Best at adp.com Wed Jun 22 13:08:50 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:08:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Harry's dad Message-ID: For those of you who know Harry Terpstra. I just got an email from him and his father has passed away. His dad had a heart attack a couple days ago and was in intensive care at the hospital. He died this afternoon. This will be tough on Harry as he and his dad were very close and shared a common interest in the engine hobby. George From christison at coastalnet.com Wed Jun 22 13:46:53 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:46:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] what is it? OT Message-ID: <410-220056322204653953@coastalnet.com> Tom, It isn't too bad if you know the name of the inventor. The patents are issued in alphabetical order by the inventors name. They are usually issued in batches alphabetically, ie. three or four sets of names on a given day. I guess a google search should bring up the process of gold extraction using mercury. Take care. Ken > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 6/22/2005 3:45:46 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] what is it? OT > > In a message dated 6/22/2005 2:12:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > christison at coastalnet.com writes: > > << Check patent number 235505. An amalgamating mortar. >> > Ken, > > You are most amazing and how did you find so quick, pure luck? > > Do you know what amalgamating, quicksilver,etc is doing for the finished > product. Maybe look up the Robertson process. > > We are headed for Hatteras Saturday for the week. > > Thanks, > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed Jun 22 14:12:12 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:12:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Harry's dad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi George, I'm sorry to hear this, I was hoping some day to meet him, I believe he was a great mechanic and had some innovative ways to adapt machining techinques to old iron projects. My condolences to Harry and his family. Steve Royster >>I just got an email from him and his father has passed away. >His dad had a heart attack a couple days ago and was in intensive care >at the hospital. He died this afternoon. > >This will be tough on Harry as he and his dad were very close and shared >a common interest in the engine hobby. > >George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jun 22 15:31:54 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:31:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] what is it? OT References: <410-220056322175220765@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <008101c5777a$3790a930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Enlightening knowledge but, I still am as ignorant about its function as I was before!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:52 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] what is it? OT > Tom, > > Check patent number 235505. An amalgamating mortar. > > Take care. > > Ken > > > >> [Original Message] >> From: >> To: >> Date: 6/22/2005 8:28:16 AM >> Subject: [SEL] what is it? OT >> >> This is my latest acquisition of "things" I own. I will call it an > overgrown >> mortar/pedestal from a very large drug store. > > >> >> On the "pedestal" is embossed: >> >> J. S. BUCK >> Pat DEC 14, 1880 > >> Any ideas? >> >> Tom Schmutz >> Concord, Va. USA >> Germoamer at aol.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From galoway4 at earthlink.net Wed Jun 22 16:34:25 2005 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:34:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Message-ID: <001401c57782$eebe7440$a2de5a42@jake> The Chinese have put in a bid to buy the MAYTAG CORP. Will this change the name of our maytags to Mayling? From galoway4 at earthlink.net Wed Jun 22 16:44:39 2005 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:44:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Dad Message-ID: <009d01c57784$5cb2b050$a2de5a42@jake> Met Harry"s dad in 99 at a Holland show. We talked to him for a long time and enjoyed meeting him. Harry's family will be in our prayers. Arthur and Betty From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jun 22 16:51:33 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:51:33 EDT Subject: [SEL] what is it? OT Message-ID: <1f4.c3c1cba.2feb5385@aol.com> In a message dated 6/22/2005 6:57:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes: << Enlightening knowledge but, I still am as ignorant about its function as I was before!! >> Reg, I did not know any more either after reading the patent except that it was used to grind and mix stuff. Ron (Maytag twin) just enlightened me and is forwarding the info to you. Miner grind up ore, mix with quicksilver, water, drain off water, boil in oven and gold left. At least that is what I understand is the process. This would explain why the thing is so big. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Jun 22 16:52:16 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:52:16 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Maytag References: <001401c57782$eebe7440$a2de5a42@jake> Message-ID: <001d01c57785$6f832ab0$879681cb@ogborneuah38i3> Hey Arthur ....you have not seen anything yet ! I believe that one of you big oil company's has been sold to them . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Buchanan" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 7:34 AM Subject: [SEL] Maytag > The Chinese have put in a bid to buy the MAYTAG CORP. Will this change > the name of our maytags to Mayling? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Jun 22 19:51:50 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:51:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] what is it? OT In-Reply-To: <008101c5777a$3790a930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <200506230251.j5N2pvmR055156@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Enlightening knowledge but, I still am as ignorant about its > function as I was before!! Assuming the amalgamation is in regards to the recovery of precious metal using mercury, it was a common practice in the old days, but I've never seen tools to do it on a small scale. The process depends on a characteristic of mercury that makes it combine with other metals. In some large scale operations for milling gold, ore goes through a stamp mill. Water washes the powdered ore down over an amalgamation table. It's a big flat sheet, sometimes galvanized steel with strips of wood or copper riffles crossing it. Mercury covers the amalgamation table. As the slurry of powdered gold ore washes over the table, the gold particles combine with the mercury. Eventually the mercury/gold amalgam is removed from the table. It is placed in a vessel, heated, and the mercury boils off, leaving the gold. Eventually the process was replaced with the use of cyanide, which is more efficient. I don't know the dates of changeover, but mercury amalgamation was used in the mid to late 1800's in this area. By the time of WW2 when many of our mines were shut down, cyanide was being used. Rob From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Jun 22 19:59:09 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:59:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies In-Reply-To: <42B93560.2060002@steamengine.com.au> References: <200506220007.j5M07Gfc031145@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <42B93560.2060002@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <42BA257D.2090806@earthlink.net> Good spot to jump in. From the folks in 1905 here is what one had to say. You will have to jump a couple pages to get to kero, but it is interesting reading. http://oldengine.org/members/allen/OldBook/P070.html Jeff Allen Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > 1909 is the first reference I've ever seen for it. TVO (Tractor > Vaporising Oil) which is basically the same appeared during WWI when > petrol was rationed. > > Paul > > Alan wrote: > >> Hi Edd Interesting I wonder when power kero was first used >> >> Alan Wheaton >> >> > > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Jun 22 13:28:33 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:28:33 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Kerosene References: <200506221700.j5MH0sVd043597@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000e01c57768$f9c8fcd0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> This is what my 1912 IHC operators guide says. Kerosene as sold today varies between 42 degrees and 44 degrees, Beaume test. It is the common belief that gasoline is more easily eva- porated and ignited than kerosene, that it gives more power but the reverse is true. Kerosene and the lower grade oils such as distillate, solaroil, fuel oil, etc., contain more heat units than a equal bulk of gasoline and in a properly designed engine will give proportionately more power. I think that's why it got its name "Power Kerosene". An image of a Beaume test can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/fuels.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Rob Skinner wrote > June 22, 2005 7:00 PM > I'm sceptical of the practice of using the terms "power kerosene" and "lighting > kerosene" to describe a specific product. I've found no technical references > that utilize such nomenclature and no references that specifically describe the > characteristics of either. From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Jun 22 20:25:37 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:25:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Harry's dad Message-ID: <20050622.233415.656.4.jlb94@juno.com> Sorry to hear this - Our prayers are with him. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Jun 22 15:48:55 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:48:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Harry's dad References: Message-ID: <002301c5777c$935505c0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:12 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Harry's dad > >>I just got an email from him and his father has passed away. > >His dad had a heart attack a couple days ago and was in intensive care > >at the hospital. He died this afternoon. > >This will be tough on Harry as he and his dad were very close and shared > >a common interest in the engine hobby. George > Hi George, I'm sorry to hear this, I was hoping some day to meet him, I > believe he was a great mechanic and had some innovative ways to adapt > machining techniques to old iron projects. My condolences to Harry and his > family. Steve Royster Hi Guys, Lou was a great & knowledgeable person to know & his visits to the UK will be greatly missed. Lou is number 11 on this group photo at the 1000 engine rally 2002. http://community.webshots.com/photo/41893547/153834508LwILZz Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jun 23 03:33:23 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:33:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] what is it? OT References: <200506230251.j5N2pvmR055156@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <009901c577df$7a0dbc20$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Hmm, serious health worries with this getting rich thing!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 12:51 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] what is it? OT > >> Enlightening knowledge but, I still am as ignorant about its >> function as I was before!! > > Assuming the amalgamation is in regards to the recovery of precious metal > using > mercury, it was a common practice in the old days, but I've never seen > tools to > do it on a small scale. > > The process depends on a characteristic of mercury that makes it combine > with > other metals. > > In some large scale operations for milling gold, ore goes through a stamp > mill. > Water washes the powdered ore down over an amalgamation table. It's a big > flat > sheet, sometimes galvanized steel with strips of wood or copper riffles > crossing > it. Mercury covers the amalgamation table. As the slurry of powdered > gold ore > washes over the table, the gold particles combine with the mercury. > > Eventually the mercury/gold amalgam is removed from the table. It is > placed in > a vessel, heated, and the mercury boils off, leaving the gold. > > Eventually the process was replaced with the use of cyanide, which is more > efficient. I don't know the dates of changeover, but mercury amalgamation > was > used in the mid to late 1800's in this area. By the time of WW2 when many > of > our mines were shut down, cyanide was being used. > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Jun 23 04:51:50 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:51:50 EDT Subject: [SEL] what is it? OT Message-ID: <20b.3863b68.2febfc56@aol.com> In a message dated 6/22/2005 11:17:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com writes: << Eventually the process was replaced with the use of cyanide, which is more efficient. >> Rob Wonder how many partners were gotten rid of using this stuff? Thanks for the information about gold extraction. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Jun 23 06:55:23 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:55:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Power Kerosene replacement recipies In-Reply-To: <42BA257D.2090806@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200506231355.j5NDtVLn085120@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Good spot to jump in. From the folks in 1905 here is what one had to > say. You will have to jump a couple pages to get to kero, but it is > interesting reading. > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/OldBook/P070.html Hi Jeff, Thanks for sending that along. If we take Hiscox's data and combine it with other tables and MSDS sheets, it appears that kerosene is everything in between gasoline and Diesel #2. From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Thu Jun 23 07:00:27 2005 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:00:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mayling Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A704C1A395@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>>From: "Arthur Buchanan" >>>The Chinese have put in a bid to buy the MAYTAG CORP. Will this change the name of our maytags to Mayling? The name on the washing machine will likely be Haier. I have a friend who works in the dryer plant in Benton, Illinois, who is fearful this will be the end of US made Maytag products, and soon after, most US made appliances. "NAFTA is nifty" Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From curt at imc-group.com Thu Jun 23 08:07:03 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:07:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts Message-ID: <42BAD017.60709@imc-group.com> Guys, I am having a little trouble finding oak lumber to make the carts rails for the Baker Monitor project we are working on. I am looking for oak that is dried/cured that will finish to 3 1/2" wide x 5" tall x 48" long. Will need two rails. I have called all the lumber yards in the area with no luck. A lot of you use heavy oak timbers on your carts and I am wondering where you find your wood. Dave Rotigel has some huge timbers under most of his engines. Your source? I appreciate your suggestions. Does any of you have wood this size for sale? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From b2 at chooka.net Thu Jun 23 08:36:41 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:36:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts In-Reply-To: <42BAD017.60709@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200506231036162.SM02420@wrbpc> Curt, I might be able to help. I buy oak slab wood to burn and sometimes encounter a timber that's just too good to put in the furnace. It's rough and of odd dimensions and sometimes not real straight but if you can plane it down to dimension I probably have a couple of sticks what would work for your purposes. Most of my oak is burr oak, I don't know how that finishes up. A friend uses quite a bit of it to make furniture, so it must look pretty good. Shipping may be a bit, although I'd be able to get them down to about 50 inches before shipping. We'll see what others come up with, maybe you can find something closer to home. I'm headed out of town for a few days (old iron trip, even, headed to Canada to pick up a 1929 JD D) but will be back online Sunday some time. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:07 AM To: SEL Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts Guys, I am having a little trouble finding oak lumber to make the carts rails for the Baker Monitor project we are working on. I am looking for oak that is dried/cured that will finish to 3 1/2" wide x 5" tall x 48" long. Will need two rails. I have called all the lumber yards in the area with no luck. A lot of you use heavy oak timbers on your carts and I am wondering where you find your wood. Dave Rotigel has some huge timbers under most of his engines. Your source? I appreciate your suggestions. Does any of you have wood this size for sale? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Thu Jun 23 08:40:55 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:40:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts Message-ID: <410-220056423154055390@coastalnet.com> Curt, You might check around for someone who builds pallets. They use a lot of oak in those around here. Take care. Ken > [Original Message] > From: Curt > To: SEL > Date: 6/23/2005 11:27:21 AM > Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts > > Guys, > I am having a little trouble finding oak lumber to make the carts rails > for the Baker Monitor project we are working on. I am looking for oak > that is dried/cured that will finish to 3 1/2" wide x 5" tall x 48" > long. Will need two rails. I have called all the lumber yards in the > area with no luck. > A lot of you use heavy oak timbers on your carts and I am wondering > where you find your wood. Dave Rotigel has some huge timbers under most > of his engines. Your source? > I appreciate your suggestions. > Does any of you have wood this size for sale? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From tsmith at hal-pc.org Thu Jun 23 10:59:44 2005 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:59:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts In-Reply-To: <200506231036162.SM02420@wrbpc> References: <200506231036162.SM02420@wrbpc> Message-ID: What about laminating several pieces to the dimentions you need? Tom On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:36:41 -0500 "Bill Brueck" wrote: > Curt, I might be able to help. I buy oak slab wood to burn and >sometimes > encounter a timber that's just too good to put in the furnace. It's >rough > and of odd dimensions and sometimes not real straight but if you can >plane > it down to dimension I probably have a couple of sticks what would >work for > your purposes. Most of my oak is burr oak, I don't know how that >finishes > up. A friend uses quite a bit of it to make furniture, so it must >look > pretty good. > > Shipping may be a bit, although I'd be able to get them down to >about 50 > inches before shipping. > > We'll see what others come up with, maybe you can find something >closer to > home. I'm headed out of town for a few days (old iron trip, even, >headed to > Canada to pick up a 1929 JD D) but will be back online Sunday some >time. > > B? > > Bill Brueck (brick) > Chatfield, MN, USA > > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > > -----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:07 AM > To: SEL > Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts > > Guys, > I am having a little trouble finding oak lumber to make the carts >rails for > the Baker Monitor project we are working on. I am looking for oak >that is > dried/cured that will finish to 3 1/2" wide x 5" tall x 48" > long. Will need two rails. I have called all the lumber yards in the >area > with no luck. > A lot of you use heavy oak timbers on your carts and I am wondering >where > you find your wood. Dave Rotigel has some huge timbers under most of >his > engines. Your source? > I appreciate your suggestions. > Does any of you have wood this size for sale? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at pennswoods.net Thu Jun 23 14:49:09 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:49:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts In-Reply-To: <42BAD017.60709@imc-group.com> References: <42BAD017.60709@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050623144752.01a524e0@mail.pennswoods.net> Curt i have enough to build 6 or 8 of them contact me off line. R Fink PA At 11:07 AM 6/23/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Guys, >I am having a little trouble finding oak lumber to make the carts rails >for the Baker Monitor project we are working on. I am looking for oak that >is dried/cured that will finish to 3 1/2" wide x 5" tall x 48" long. Will >need two rails. I have called all the lumber yards in the area with no luck. >A lot of you use heavy oak timbers on your carts and I am wondering where >you find your wood. Dave Rotigel has some huge timbers under most of his >engines. Your source? >I appreciate your suggestions. >Does any of you have wood this size for sale? >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Jun 23 13:29:33 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:29:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE:Need Transportation to Portland In-Reply-To: <42BAD017.60709@imc-group.com> Message-ID: >Hello List, I have a small skidded engine(under three horsepower) that >needs a lift from just west of Boston Mass. to Portland Indianna for the >August show. If anyone has the room on a trailer or pickup I'll help with >fuel costs.Thanks, Steve Royster Asheville, N.C. From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Jun 23 17:42:22 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:42:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE:Need Transportation to Portland References: Message-ID: <008f01c57855$96623920$71a4f504@x8h7l9> Steve, I plan to go to the Portland, Ind show, but plan going empty to Hickory, NC early August to help my daughter move. Would be empty both ways with PU and little trailer. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT (North of Danbury) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 4:29 PM Subject: [SEL] RE:Need Transportation to Portland > > > >Hello List, I have a small skidded engine(under three horsepower) that > >needs a lift from just west of Boston Mass. to Portland Indianna for the > >August show. If anyone has the room on a trailer or pickup I'll help with > >fuel costs.Thanks, Steve Royster Asheville, N.C. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From asouth at strato.net Thu Jun 23 19:41:36 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:41:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Harry's dad References: Message-ID: <009201c57866$3ef6b4c0$9500a8c0@ARTHUR> Sorry to hear about Harry's Dad. My condolences to Harry and family. Arthur Southwell Arcadia, FL asouth at strato.net From ivancou at alltel.net Thu Jun 23 13:52:37 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:52:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE:Need Transportation to Portland References: Message-ID: <000201c57835$7d6814a0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Steve , If you can get it closer I could take it the rest of the way . I live near Corsica,PA 15829 . Ivan From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Jun 23 21:12:22 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:12:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts In-Reply-To: <42BAD017.60709@imc-group.com> References: <42BAD017.60709@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050623234413.0d7a0c00@mail.alltel.net> At 11:07 AM 6/23/2005, you wrote: >Guys, >I am having a little trouble finding oak lumber to make the carts rails >for the Baker Monitor project we are working on. I am looking for oak that >is dried/cured that will finish to 3 1/2" wide x 5" tall x 48" long. Will >need two rails. I have called all the lumber yards in the area with no luck. >A lot of you use heavy oak timbers on your carts and I am wondering where >you find your wood. Dave Rotigel has some huge timbers under most of his >engines. Your source? >I appreciate your suggestions. >Does any of you have wood this size for sale? >Curt Holland Hi Curt, This size of oak would have to be a special order and would take at least 3 months to kiln dry properly. An alternative is to have it cut and dried for about three weeks (turning it once a day and covering it if it rains) and then plane it to finish size, sand it and put 5 coats of polyurethane varnish on it (in five days) and then mount the engine on it. The engine will then keep the wood from twisting as it finishes the curing process. What you need is a friend with a saw mill. My source is either Anders Johnson ( 1/2 mile from my house--Anders milled the 12'X12" Oak for Tillie) or Ed Miller (5 miles from my house.) I'll be glad to place the order for you, but we need to figure out a way to get the timbers to you in a timely way after it is taken off the stump and sawed/plained. Dave PS, Please don't ask me to fine out the cost. I would not insult either men by asking for a price prior to picking up the order. I can tell you that neither Anders or Ed would cheat you! PPS, I can tell you that I picked up 6 pieces of 5/4 oak boards today-- 7" X 8' and paid Ed a total of $35.00 for it! From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Jun 23 21:20:14 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:20:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts In-Reply-To: References: <200506231036162.SM02420@wrbpc> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050624001926.0d7f0ee0@mail.alltel.net> Time (and weather) will take it's toll and the pieces will come apart! Dave At 01:59 PM 6/23/2005, you wrote: >What about laminating several pieces to the dimentions you need? > >Tom From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Jun 24 02:46:05 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:46:05 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050623234413.0d7a0c00@mail.alltel.net> References: <42BAD017.60709@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050623234413.0d7a0c00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605062402462d09c862@mail.gmail.com> On 6/24/05, Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 11:07 AM 6/23/2005, you wrote: > >Guys, > >I am having a little trouble finding oak lumber to make the carts rails > >for the Baker Monitor project we are working on. I am looking for oak that > >is dried/cured that will finish to 3 1/2" wide x 5" tall x 48" long. Will > >need two rails. I have called all the lumber yards in the area with no luck. > >A lot of you use heavy oak timbers on your carts and I am wondering where > >you find your wood. Dave Rotigel has some huge timbers under most of his > >engines. Your source? > >I appreciate your suggestions. > >Does any of you have wood this size for sale? > >Curt Holland > > Hi Curt, > This size of oak would have to be a special order and would take > at least 3 months to kiln dry properly. An alternative is to have it cut > and dried for about three weeks (turning it once a day and covering it if > it rains) and then plane it to finish size, sand it and put 5 coats of > polyurethane varnish on it (in five days) and then mount the engine on it. > The engine will then keep the wood from twisting as it finishes the curing > process. > What you need is a friend with a saw mill. My source is either > Anders Johnson ( 1/2 mile from my house--Anders milled the 12'X12" Oak for > Tillie) or Ed Miller (5 miles from my house.) I'll be glad to place the > order for you, but we need to figure out a way to get the timbers to you in > a timely way after it is taken off the stump and sawed/plained. > Dave > PS, Please don't ask me to fine out the cost. I would not insult either men > by asking for a price prior to picking up the order. I can tell you that > neither Anders or Ed would cheat you! > PPS, I can tell you that I picked up 6 pieces of 5/4 oak boards today-- 7" > X 8' and paid Ed a total of $35.00 for it! Jim Dunmyer might be worth contacting on this, he has a small sawmill IIRC jdunmyer at toltbbs.com Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Jun 24 04:03:16 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:03:16 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Trying to contact Peg Pffeifer Message-ID: <001501c578ac$573d7280$6f9181cb@ogborneuah38i3> Email address......anybody? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Jun 24 04:36:50 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 07:36:50 EDT Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts Message-ID: <144.47e0f341.2fed4a52@aol.com> In a message dated 6/24/2005 3:08:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: << am having a little trouble finding oak lumber to make the carts rails >for the Baker Monitor project we are working on. >> Curt, Try: Groff and Groff Lumber Co. Quarryville, Pa. 800-342-0001 Fax 717-284-2400 Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Jun 24 04:44:46 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:44:46 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Trying to contact Peg Pffeifer References: <001501c578ac$573d7280$6f9181cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <003101c578b2$21624f90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Pfeiffer, Peg E-mail Address(es): Old_Iron at msn.com Personal Information: Address: 904 Forestview Park Ridge Illinois 60068 USA Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: [SEL] Trying to contact Peg Pffeifer > Email address......anybody? > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Jun 24 04:47:54 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 07:47:54 EDT Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts Message-ID: <1fd.43fd2ed.2fed4cea@aol.com> In a message dated 6/24/2005 3:02:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: << Time (and weather) will take it's toll and the pieces will come apart! >> Dave, I recently uses some polyurethane, supposedly water proof glue to assemble the church bell rope wheel I recently built. You wet the wood prior to assembly for adhesion and I assume as a catalyst to make the glue work. It spits, foams, and expands out of every crack and crevice it can find. It will be interesting to see how it holds up to the weather. The old one lasted 40 years and hopefully this one will be longer. Maybe someone can send me an update in 30 years where I am. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Jun 24 04:56:42 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:56:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Kerosene In-Reply-To: <200506221700.j5MH0sVd043597@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200506221700.j5MH0sVd043597@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <42BBF4FA.8040201@steamengine.com.au> Hi Rob, The refineries did have published definitions of the fuels they produced - but these have changed dramatically over time. The FAQ entry on Fuel Types is an example of the types at two moments in time in the 1930s and the late 1960s. http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/fueltypes.html Out of interest, some engines came with fuel ordering information to have the fuel made to order - I cannot imagine that any customer beyond huge ones like railways and later trucking companies could have gotten away with this. Even today the modern product we consider as Gasoline / Petrol varies widely from bowser to bowser. In Australia the Octane rating is regulated, but the content of the fuel makeup is not except that if alcohol is included it must be stated on the bowser. Paul Rob Skinner wrote: > I'm sceptical of the practice of using the terms "power kerosene" and "lighting > kerosene" to describe a specific product. I've found no technical references > that utilize such nomenclature and no references that specifically describe the > characteristics of either. > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.0/27 - Release Date: 23/06/2005 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Jun 24 04:59:46 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 05:59:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Oak Message-ID: Curt, you might contact a cabinet shop. Doubt it they'd have what you need, but could probably steer you in the right direction. I know the custom shops around here get some of their specialty wood from your neck of the woods. Good Luck RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Jun 24 05:27:07 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 06:27:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts References: <1fd.43fd2ed.2fed4cea@aol.com> Message-ID: Keep in mind there's a big price difference between red and white oak...up here anyway. Don't ask me how I know:-( RickinMt. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Jun 24 05:27:57 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:27:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Power Kerosene replacement recipies In-Reply-To: <42B7E8C5.5020002@steamengine.com.au> References: <42B7E8C5.5020002@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <42BBFC4D.1060000@steamengine.com.au> I've used everyone's replies to update the Power Kerosene FAQ at http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/powerkero.html Let me know if you want your entry edited or removed. Thanks for sharing (ok, so I've barely touched the FAQ for a year... well I'm on it again :). Regards Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.0/27 - Release Date: 23/06/2005 From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Jun 24 07:27:04 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:27:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE:Need Transportation to Portland In-Reply-To: <008f01c57855$96623920$71a4f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: Hi Ed, Thanks for the reply. I live only about an hour from Hickory. Is it possible to bring the engine to Hickory and let me meet you there? The engine is a2-1/2 hp fluter hopper Aermotor at Mike O'malleys somewhere around Harvard. How close is that to you? I would be happy to pay for your gas and trouble. Just let me know if this is possible, My cell phone is 828 776 4918 If you'll give me your phone # I'll call you to work out the details, Thanks again, Steve >From: "ED" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] RE:Need Transportation to Portland >Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:42:22 -0400 > >Steve, > >I plan to go to the Portland, Ind show, but plan going empty to Hickory, NC >early August to help my daughter move. Would be empty both ways with PU and >little trailer. > >Ed Stoller >New Fairfield, CT (North of Danbury) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steve Royster" >To: >Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 4:29 PM >Subject: [SEL] RE:Need Transportation to Portland > > > > > > > > >Hello List, I have a small skidded engine(under three horsepower) that > > >needs a lift from just west of Boston Mass. to Portland Indianna for >the > > >August show. If anyone has the room on a trailer or pickup I'll help >with > > >fuel costs.Thanks, Steve Royster Asheville, N.C. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Jun 24 07:29:22 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:29:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE:Need Transportation to Portland In-Reply-To: <000201c57835$7d6814a0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Message-ID: Thanks, Ivan, I'll let you know how the details progress. I am working on getting it moved around. Thanks, Steve >From: "ivan" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] RE:Need Transportation to Portland >Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:52:37 -0400 > >Steve , If you can get it closer I could take it the rest of the way . I >live near Corsica,PA 15829 . Ivan > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marvhed at ecenet.com Fri Jun 24 08:18:13 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:18:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts In-Reply-To: References: <1fd.43fd2ed.2fed4cea@aol.com> Message-ID: <43636.199.62.0.252.1119626293.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> and i understand the longivity of white oak surpasses red when exposed to the weather. however, i like the grain and color of varnished red oak for show. marv in minn > Keep in mind there's a big price difference between red and white oak...up > here anyway. Don't ask me how I know:-( > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Fri Jun 24 06:37:49 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:37:49 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Trying to contact Peg Pffeifer Message-ID: <062420051337.2732.42BC0CAD00035DE100000AAC21979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Peter, Try Peg at: oldiron at msn.com regards, Curt Andree > Email address......anybody? > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Fri Jun 24 03:53:50 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:53:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts Message-ID: <062420051053.7878.42BBE63E000A07A500001EC621979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Curt, I have two real good saw mills I buy larger red oak stock from and I am sure they could help you out with 4" X 6" stock of the length you need. I also have the plainner on hand to cut down to 3 1/2 X 5" if you like. Contact me off list. Curt Andree > Guys, > I am having a little trouble finding oak lumber to make the carts rails > for the Baker Monitor project we are working on. I am looking for oak > that is dried/cured that will finish to 3 1/2" wide x 5" tall x 48" > long. Will need two rails. I have called all the lumber yards in the > area with no luck. > A lot of you use heavy oak timbers on your carts and I am wondering > where you find your wood. Dave Rotigel has some huge timbers under most > of his engines. Your source? > I appreciate your suggestions. > Does any of you have wood this size for sale? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jun 24 12:22:22 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:22:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Another Baker Monitor update 6/24/05 Message-ID: <42BC5D6E.4090806@imc-group.com> Had a go at making a replacement bearing insert for the connecting rod on Devin's Baker Monitor project. Since we had ground the throw under about .007 to make it round again, we just figured it would be easier to cast a new insert in place. We also fluxed the conn rod and cap and bonded the babbitt to them. This will make a better bearing anyway. At the bottom of this link at the "Update 6/24/05" http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html Hope you enjoy. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From mullt at att.net Fri Jun 24 13:11:57 2005 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:11:57 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Another Baker Monitor update 6/24/05 Message-ID: <062420052011.7656.42BC690C000F1D3400001DE821603762239B04049A03@att.net> These are some really great "in progress" pictures. Especially for us newbies. Tom in St. Louis -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Curt > Had a go at making a replacement bearing insert for the connecting rod > on Devin's Baker Monitor project. Since we had ground the throw under > about .007 to make it round again, we just figured it would be easier to > cast a new insert in place. We also fluxed the conn rod and cap and > bonded the babbitt to them. This will make a better bearing anyway. At > the bottom of this link at the "Update 6/24/05" > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbn > ails.html > > Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Jun 24 19:03:15 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:03:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE:Need Transportation to Portland In-Reply-To: <000201c57835$7d6814a0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Message-ID: Thanks everyone who replied to my request for transport help for a small rusty engine needing a ride to Portland. I believe things are just about worked out. This is a great group of people and a great group for helping move iron across the country. Thank you all, see you in Portland, Steve Royster . From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Jun 25 04:27:55 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:27:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] irony, the Ruston PB3 and a Lucas RS-1 magneto Message-ID: <42BD3FBB.8070901@steamengine.com.au> I was wandering through a junk store this morning, you know the kind - they hang a sign out the front with the word "Antiques" on it. I had been told that in one of the display cases was a Lucas RS-1 magneto. I needed one for the PB3 I recovered out of the creek. I could not find it anywhere. I eventually asked the guy up front and he said he knew where it was, but that he'd sold it. Then he mentioned that he thought there was another one. We eventually found it amongst a box of old fishing reels. He only wanted $70 which is a good enough price for it (although I could probably get one on a a common engine for $100 - in fact I gave away a Ronnie N type not so long ago to a fellow club member with a hot mag on it). I got it home and was immediately dismayed that it was not hot... should have tested it in the store. Then I pulled the covers off - the points were filthy, absolutely coated in grease. I hosed out the area with carby cleaner and left it to dry. The capacitor was not screwed in, so I tightened it up and put a nut on the connector. One spin and it zapped me. Happy :). It did not come off a PB3, but it is not a drama - some filing on a nut that fits the shaft to match the driver of the end of the shaft on the PB3 and all will be fine. Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.1/28 - Release Date: 24/06/2005 From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jun 23 05:43:12 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:43:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re castings from Bob Bromp. Message-ID: <00c101c577f1$23f5c460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> It is about time to bring something to light, so I am about to relate what I think needs airing. About 5 or more months back, I ordered and paid for, 4 sets of Ball hopper Monitor casting sets from Bob Bromp. The previous set I got from him a few years back were excellent quality and made up into a top model. Hence the reason to make more. He had to get the castings done. This I was aware of. I allowed things to drift along until I answered an ad in the GEM by someone who had not received what he should have from Bob. He was asking for feedback from Bob's customers. He told me he was appalled by the response. The number of dissatisfied people was waay too high. In light of this, I finally managed to get a reply from Bob after phoning and leaving messages on his answering machine. Here was the reply "Dear Reg, The castings were mailed to you last Wed. (06-01-05) by parsel post, Flywheel castings which I had not received from the foundry at this time. Friday the foundry called to say they were done. I went to California Friday and spent the weekend in Sacramento with my son. Got back last night. Will have the flywheels in the mail Friday. Bob Bromps" In view of the apparent treatment that others have had, I typed back a request for a scan of the PO postage receipts, which would also have been useful for checking postage time. Despite a couple of follow up requests, I have had NO answer to this. Having paid out $1700, I feel I am entitled to have this information. So, the purpose of this letter is to make you all aware of things. I have had direct contact with a few of the other customers and having heard their stories, Be aware. This move of mine is the last thing I can think of doing. I want proof that my castings are in the mail. A copy of this has gone to Bob Bromp and I will fully report on all that transpires. Also, any comments will be appreciated. Thanks for listening. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold directly From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Jun 25 13:25:11 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:25:11 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Astle Park 1000 Engine Rally Message-ID: <6f60251605062513256c8ba164@mail.gmail.com> We popped into Astle Park at lunchtime today, part-way through a 500-mile round trip to collect some bits we had bought on ebay. The hot and humid weather we had been having during the week broke on Friday, with heavy downpours and thunderstorms over much of the UK. Fortunately the ground was very dry so only minor problems were caused on setup day for the rally, and by Saturday it was pretty good underfoor, even the grass was dry to walk on. The engines were better to my eyes than previous occasions, with some unusual hardware on show. I have taken about 50 pics and will get them posted asap. Arnie was there, we met up with him as he was wandering round the engine enclosures taking pictures. We haven't had the dreaded barriers thanks heavens! so only a double rope and fairly unobtrusive. Jim and Dolly joined us for a chat, then we had to go and unload the van for Arthur Griffin for whom we had brought up some magazines that he had purchased and a Norman flat twin that he had bought from us. David McCreath brought my GEC Crystal Set (Early Radio) down from Glasgow, and I was able to give Arnie his exhaust valve lifter locking screw that he was missing on his Lister CS, so a general round of swapping and carrying! We didn't think that the stalls were up to much, and most of the guys we spoke with agreed. The members of the UK newsgroup got together by the beer tent, and photographs were taken by Dave Croft and Kim Siddorn. John & Ria Hammink were a very welcome sight, it was good to see them again. Sadly, the last time we went to this show, we met Lou Terpstra who came over with Harry, but this year for obvious reasons neither could attend. Lou will be greatly missed. A decent-looking Petter Atomic diesel on a trolley went for ?400 in the club sales enclosure, the auction wasn't a lot of good, mostly junk. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Jun 25 19:43:21 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:43:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What is it? Message-ID: <42BE1649.5090100@earthlink.net> Hi all, Went fishing today. Didn't do no catching, but the fishing was great. Really pisses people off when you don't signal to get off the road, but had to stop and take a few pictures of this. http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE01.JPG http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE02.JPG http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE03.JPG The BYB mentions a Gardner engine, but the state is wrong for this engine. Jeff Allen From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Sun Jun 26 03:05:12 2005 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:05:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] What is it? References: 46979749 Message-ID: <001301c57a36$8c00ea20$0301a8c0@Young1203> a compressor maybe? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Oldengine list" Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 12:43 PM Subject: [SEL] What is it? > Hi all, > > Went fishing today. Didn't do no catching, but the fishing was great. > Really pisses people off when you don't signal to get off the road, but > had to stop and take a few pictures of this. > > http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE01.JPG > http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE02.JPG > http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE03.JPG > > The BYB mentions a Gardner engine, but the state is wrong for this engine. > > > Jeff Allen > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Sun Jun 26 05:16:05 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 08:16:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] What is it? References: <42BE1649.5090100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002401c57a48$d4580760$c7b9869d@ibm22761389857> Looks like an air compressor to me. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Oldengine list" Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 22:43 Subject: [SEL] What is it? > Hi all, > > Went fishing today. Didn't do no catching, but the fishing was great. > Really pisses people off when you don't signal to get off the road, but > had to stop and take a few pictures of this. > > http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE01.JPG > http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE02.JPG > http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE03.JPG > > The BYB mentions a Gardner engine, but the state is wrong for this engine. > > > Jeff Allen > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jun 26 05:15:22 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:15:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Astle Park 1000 Engine Rally In-Reply-To: <6f60251605062513256c8ba164@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f60251605062513256c8ba164@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605062605154f0f92b4@mail.gmail.com> On 6/25/05, Listerdiesel wrote: > We popped into Astle Park at lunchtime today Picture pages are up, either through the Trip Reports Icon on the main menu page or direct to: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AstlePark/Astle1.htm through to http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AstlePark/Astle4.htm The pages are interlinked as usual. Let me know if there are any formatting or viewing problems, please. The pages should be OK with Firefox. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Jun 26 11:26:37 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:26:37 EDT Subject: [SEL] What is it? Message-ID: In a message dated 06/26/2005 3:51:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, michael.y at ozemail.com.au writes: a compressor maybe? You are probably correct since the name tag is imprinted with Gardner. Gardner is a compressor manufacturer now located in Denver. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Jun 26 11:52:32 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:52:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Astle Park 1000 Engine Rally In-Reply-To: <6f60251605062605154f0f92b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f60251605062513256c8ba164@mail.gmail.com> <6f60251605062605154f0f92b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42BEF970.1070003@earthlink.net> Peter, As always a wonderful set of pictures. Thanks for sharing. Works fine in Firefox. Jeff Allen Listerdiesel wrote: >On 6/25/05, Listerdiesel wrote: > > >>We popped into Astle Park at lunchtime today >> >> > >Picture pages are up, either through the Trip Reports Icon on the main >menu page or direct to: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AstlePark/Astle1.htm >through to >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AstlePark/Astle4.htm > >The pages are interlinked as usual. > >Let me know if there are any formatting or viewing problems, please. >The pages should be OK with Firefox. > >Peter > > From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Jun 26 12:00:43 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:00:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: What is it? Now thanks In-Reply-To: <42BE1649.5090100@earthlink.net> References: <42BE1649.5090100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42BEFB5B.1060700@earthlink.net> Hi all, Thanks for all the replies. Gardner Denver is still in business, and I will contact them for more information. I snagged a page from the company web site with a bit of history and will paste it below. Interesting history. Jeff Allen http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE01.JPG http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE02.JPG http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE03.JPG > Gardner Denver is an international leader in providing > compressed air and pump equipment that helps keep > thousands of manufacturing processes, as well as oil and gas > production, moving ahead at a brisk pace. We began as the > Gardner Governor Company in 1859, with the introduction > of a product that provided the first effective speed control > for steam engines. By 1890, we had expanded our product > offering to include steam pumps and high speed vertical air > compressors. At the turn of the century, the discovery of > large oil deposits in Texas spurred us to adapt our unique > steam pump technology for use in mud pumps which rapidly > became an integral part of the oilwell drilling process. > In 1927, the Gardner Company merged with Denver Rock Drill > and became Gardner Denver, a manufacturer of equipment > used in oilwell drilling, pipeline trenching, dam, tunnel and > highway construction. For the next 52 years, we continued > to grow and diversify. In 1979, Gardner Denver was acquired > by Cooper Industries and split into ten divisions. Two of > those divisions, Gardner Denver Air Compressors and Gardner > Denver Petroleum Equipment, were combined six years > later and became the Gardner Denver Industrial Machinery > Division. We continued to acquire businesses and products > to broaden our product offering and utilize established > distribution channels. > By 1994, our Division had built a solid reputation as a > full line supplier of compressed air products and oil field > petroleum equipment. Cooper, however, changed strategies > and decided to exit the petroleum equipment business. As a > result, the Gardner Denver Industrial Machinery Division was > spun off as an independent company. Today, Gardner Denver, > Inc. is a publicly held company traded on the New York Stock > Exchange under the symbol GDI. > TRADITION a quality manufacturing > since 1859 From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Sun Jun 26 17:56:41 2005 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:56:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks-Shefield head gasket References: <42BE1649.5090100@earthlink.net> <42BEFB5B.1060700@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000601c57ab3$159c59f0$a145cf45@james547qmsxft> Anybody have any idea where to find a head gasket for a Sheffield railcar engine? This is a 2 cylinder opposed, 4 stroke engine. The gasket is round, 6 bolts, copper clad, 5-3/8" inside diameter. The bolt circle is 6-1/2" diameter. Anybody making these? Thanks in advance! Best Regards; Jim Mackessy Camillus, New York, USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Jun 25 20:22:21 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:22:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] What is it? In-Reply-To: <42BE1649.5090100@earthlink.net> References: <42BE1649.5090100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42BE1F6D.6060503@scrtc.com> Jeff, I don't believe thats an engine but a compressor. I could be wrong and will defer to those with more knowledge than me (which will be most everyone!). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > Went fishing today. Didn't do no catching, but the fishing was great. > Really pisses people off when you don't signal to get off the road, > but had to stop and take a few pictures of this. > > http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE01.JPG > http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE02.JPG > http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE03.JPG > > The BYB mentions a Gardner engine, but the state is wrong for this > engine. > > > Jeff Allen > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Jun 25 20:14:22 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:14:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Astle Park 1000 Engine Rally In-Reply-To: <6f60251605062513256c8ba164@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f60251605062513256c8ba164@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050625230942.0d971800@mail.alltel.net> Hi Peter, Two questions: 1.) Why is this called the 1,000 Engine Rally when there has never been over 500 engines there? and 2.) Did Arnie stay "at home" in the hot tub? Dave At 04:25 PM 6/25/2005, you wrote: >We popped into Astle Park at lunchtime today, part-way through a >500-mile round trip to collect some bits we had bought on ebay. > >The hot and humid weather we had been having during the week broke on >Friday, with heavy downpours and thunderstorms over much of the UK. >Fortunately the ground was very dry so only minor problems were caused >on setup day for the rally, and by Saturday it was pretty good >underfoor, even the grass was dry to walk on. > >The engines were better to my eyes than previous occasions, with some >unusual hardware on show. I have taken about 50 pics and will get them >posted asap. > >Arnie was there, we met up with him as he was wandering round the >engine enclosures taking pictures. We haven't had the dreaded barriers >thanks heavens! so only a double rope and fairly unobtrusive. > >Jim and Dolly joined us for a chat, then we had to go and unload the >van for Arthur Griffin for whom we had brought up some magazines that >he had purchased and a Norman flat twin that he had bought from us. > >David McCreath brought my GEC Crystal Set (Early Radio) down from >Glasgow, and I was able to give Arnie his exhaust valve lifter locking >screw that he was missing on his Lister CS, so a general round of >swapping and carrying! > >We didn't think that the stalls were up to much, and most of the guys >we spoke with agreed. The members of the UK newsgroup got together by >the beer tent, and photographs were taken by Dave Croft and Kim >Siddorn. > >John & Ria Hammink were a very welcome sight, it was good to see them >again. Sadly, the last time we went to this show, we met Lou Terpstra >who came over with Harry, but this year for obvious reasons neither >could attend. Lou will be greatly missed. > >A decent-looking Petter Atomic diesel on a trolley went for ?400 in >the club sales enclosure, the auction wasn't a lot of good, mostly >junk. > >Peter > >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Mon Jun 27 01:43:50 2005 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:43:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Harry's dad - thoughts sent from afar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050627184121.02316a08@mail.netconnect.com.au> Hello George, Please pass onto Harry that many people are thinking of him and share in his grief. While I have neither corresponded with Harry or met him, I can understand his feelings after having lost my father 3 years ago. Regards, Mark At 03:08 PM 22/06/2005 -0500, Best, George wrote: >For those of you who know Harry Terpstra. > >I just got an email from him and his father has passed away. >His dad had a heart attack a couple days ago and was in intensive care >at the hospital. He died this afternoon. > >This will be tough on Harry as he and his dad were very close and shared >a common interest in the engine hobby. > >George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Kennedy Ballarat, Victoria, Australia Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy 'Training Down Under with the majesty of the South Australian Railways' *********************************************************** Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any effected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jun 27 02:21:27 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:21:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Astle Park 1000 Engine Rally In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050625230942.0d971800@mail.alltel.net> References: <6f60251605062513256c8ba164@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050625230942.0d971800@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f602516050627022145dca861@mail.gmail.com> On 6/26/05, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Peter, > Two questions: > 1.) Why is this called the 1,000 Engine Rally when there > has never been over 500 engines there? and > 2.) Did Arnie stay "at home" in the hot tub? > Dave > Hi Dave: You've been very quiet of late... :-)) The "1000 Engine" title is a carry-over from the days when it was held at Tatton Hall, and they probably did get close to 1000 engines on a couple of occasions but I don't think we have ever met that total to my knowledge. There have been other rallies in the 1980's which also had very high turn-out figures, but the quality of the engines was questionable! Arnie's movements (both bodily and physically!) we are not party to, but I am sure that Dolly will be reporting soon... we only had half an hour or so to chat with them before we were off again on our collection trip. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Jun 27 06:17:21 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 06:17:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks-Shefield head gasket In-Reply-To: <000601c57ab3$159c59f0$a145cf45@james547qmsxft> References: <42BE1649.5090100@earthlink.net> <42BEFB5B.1060700@earthlink.net> <000601c57ab3$159c59f0$a145cf45@james547qmsxft> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050627061602.01aaf020@mail.pennswoods.net> James try this one www.olsongaskets.com. R Fink PA At 08:56 PM 6/26/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Anybody have any idea where to find a head gasket for a Sheffield railcar >engine? >This is a 2 cylinder opposed, 4 stroke engine. The gasket is round, 6 bolts, >copper >clad, 5-3/8" inside diameter. The bolt circle is 6-1/2" diameter. Anybody >making >these? Thanks in advance! >Best Regards; >Jim Mackessy >Camillus, New York, USA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nick at holden1.net Sun Jun 26 11:14:11 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:14:11 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Astle Park Message-ID: <42BEF073.000003.01508@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi all just back from a very good day out at Astle Park rally the weather was good to us warm mid 70s some very nice engines on show all can be seen at Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jun 27 12:09:11 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:09:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oak wood for carts In-Reply-To: <062420051053.7878.42BBE63E000A07A500001EC621979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <062420051053.7878.42BBE63E000A07A500001EC621979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <42C04ED7.9060000@imc-group.com> Thanks to all who replied and offered to help with the oak for the cart. Richard Fink had some oak cut for fire place mantels years ago and they look like they will work for this cart. Ya'll on this list are a great bunch of guys who are very willing to help. Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: >Curt, >I have two real good saw mills I buy larger red oak stock from and I am sure >they could help you out with 4" X 6" stock of the length you need. I also >have the plainner on hand to cut down to 3 1/2 X 5" if you like. >Contact me off list. >Curt Andree > > > >>Guys, >>I am having a little trouble finding oak lumber to make the carts rails >>for the Baker Monitor project we are working on. I am looking for oak >>that is dried/cured that will finish to 3 1/2" wide x 5" tall x 48" >>long. Will need two rails. I have called all the lumber yards in the >>area with no luck. >>A lot of you use heavy oak timbers on your carts and I am wondering >>where you find your wood. Dave Rotigel has some huge timbers under most >>of his engines. Your source? >>I appreciate your suggestions. >>Does any of you have wood this size for sale? >> >> From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Jun 27 12:41:57 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:41:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: The results of your email commands Message-ID: <20050627.154205.260.0.jlb94@juno.com> On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:00:03 -0400 sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com writes: > The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is > your > original message. > > - Results: > Invalid confirmation string. Note that confirmation strings > expire > approximately 3 days after the initial subscription request. 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If you think you are being > maliciously > > subscribed to the list, or have any other questions, send them > to > > sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com. > > > > > > - Done. > > From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Jun 27 21:40:50 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:40:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What is it? In-Reply-To: <42BE1F6D.6060503@scrtc.com> References: <42BE1649.5090100@earthlink.net> <42BE1F6D.6060503@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <42C0D4D2.1000809@earthlink.net> Hi Tommy, I think the jury is in on this one and it is a compressor. I'll be taking another trip or two up there this summer and will try and get some info from the locals. Firehouse is right next door and maybe they will know something. The sharp folks on this list pointed me to the Gardner-Denver company and I think they nailed it. I'll also contact them in hopes that they have something in the archives. Jeff Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Jeff, > > I don't believe thats an engine but a compressor. I could be wrong > and will defer to those with more knowledge than me (which will be > most everyone!). > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Jeff Allen wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Went fishing today. Didn't do no catching, but the fishing was great. >> Really pisses people off when you don't signal to get off the road, >> but had to stop and take a few pictures of this. >> >> http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE01.JPG >> http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE02.JPG >> http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE03.JPG >> >> The BYB mentions a Gardner engine, but the state is wrong for this >> engine. >> >> >> Jeff Allen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 28 12:47:17 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:47:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone Message-ID: <00b301c57c1a$32715810$230110ac@PAUL> I am trying to locate or find a telephone number for a: Charles Wilcox 238 Deerfield Rd. #1 Allenstown, NH 03275 Can anyone help me? Thanks, Paul From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Jun 28 13:38:49 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:38:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone In-Reply-To: <00b301c57c1a$32715810$230110ac@PAUL> References: <00b301c57c1a$32715810$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050628163122.02208c70@mail.alltel.net> At 03:47 PM 6/28/2005, you wrote: >I am trying to locate or find a telephone number for a: >Charles Wilcox >238 Deerfield Rd. #1 >Allenstown, NH 03275 >Can anyone help me? >Thanks, >Paul Hi Paul, I could call 555.1212 and ask for information in Allentown, NH and then ask the chick on the other end of the line to please look up Charles Wilcox at 238 Deerfield Rd #1. Then I could relay what she told me to you (either on, or off List.) But I think I'll just let you puzzle this one out! Dave PS, Send em to school, buy em books and the eat the covers of em--then they think the SEL is an information service! From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Jun 28 13:44:40 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:44:40 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone References: <00b301c57c1a$32715810$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <000c01c57c22$386606f0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Paul, my Dutch phone book says: (603) 485-3603. Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web I am trying to locate or find a telephone number for a: Charles Wilcox 238 Deerfield Rd. #1 Allenstown, NH 03275 Can anyone help me? Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From b2 at chooka.net Tue Jun 28 13:49:10 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:49:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone In-Reply-To: <00b301c57c1a$32715810$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <200506281549464.SM02420@wrbpc> Is this your guy? http://www.charmingfairwoodentoys.com/orderform.html B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 2:47 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone I am trying to locate or find a telephone number for a: Charles Wilcox 238 Deerfield Rd. #1 Allenstown, NH 03275 Can anyone help me? Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Jun 28 14:40:08 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:40:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Astle Park 1000 Engine Rally/A for Dave R. References: <6f60251605062513256c8ba164@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050625230942.0d971800@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000701c57c29$f84d5c50$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Dave, as you can see at this address: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/DLY.jpg Arnie decided to try some of my brew I brought from the other side of the water. The nude in the middle is Neville Beaty. John H. Two questions: 1.) Why is this called the 1,000 Engine Rally when there has never been over 500 engines there? and 2.) Did Arnie stay "at home" in the hot tub? Dave From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 28 15:27:49 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:27:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Someone O.T. - Thanks Message-ID: <00e901c57c30$a01b1110$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks to everyone who responded the my request for help in finding Charlie, he has not responded to me and all is well. Again thanks to everyone. Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 28 17:46:10 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:46:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone References: <00b301c57c1a$32715810$230110ac@PAUL> <6.1.2.0.0.20050628163122.02208c70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <013c01c57c43$f4cac670$230110ac@PAUL> Dave that works great when the person you are calling does not have a unlisted number, unfortunately this gentleman has an unlisted number. As always I appreciate your responses and your unrelenting willingness to help........you the man Dave!!!!!!!!!!! Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone > At 03:47 PM 6/28/2005, you wrote: >>I am trying to locate or find a telephone number for a: >>Charles Wilcox >>238 Deerfield Rd. #1 >>Allenstown, NH 03275 >>Can anyone help me? >>Thanks, >>Paul > > Hi Paul, > I could call 555.1212 and ask for information in Allentown, NH > and then ask the chick on the other end of the line to please look up > Charles Wilcox at 238 Deerfield Rd #1. Then I could relay what she told me > to you (either on, or off List.) But I think I'll just let you puzzle this > one out! > Dave > PS, Send em to school, buy em books and the eat the covers of em--then > they think the SEL is an information service! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lfevans at pacbell.net Tue Jun 28 18:06:37 2005 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:06:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. But possibly of interest - Old Technology Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050628180539.026159c8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> As a lot of you know I get involved in various projects at the Mt. Wilson Observatory. Recently I have been helping to reassemble and restore the clockwork mechanism that allowed the 60-inch telescope to track an object in the sky. In the early years it often took several hours to expose the photographic plates and of course the telescope had to be kept moving during the exposure to compensate for the rotation of the earth. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/60clock/ to see some pictures of this device which was in use from 1908 - 1968. Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Jun 28 18:44:09 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:44:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050628163122.02208c70@mail.alltel.net> References: <00b301c57c1a$32715810$230110ac@PAUL> <6.1.2.0.0.20050628163122.02208c70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <42C1FCE9.9050505@earthlink.net> Sir Dave, Please use your infinite wisdom to teach us how to find phone numbers so none will ever have to bother the list again with this. Find mine and share your wisdom with all of us. No cheating though. You can't pay anything other than appropriate long distance charges for your search. Jeffrey Allen 6303 Johnson Way Arvada, CO 80004 Find it!! Jeff Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 03:47 PM 6/28/2005, you wrote: > >> I am trying to locate or find a telephone number for a: >> Charles Wilcox >> 238 Deerfield Rd. #1 >> Allenstown, NH 03275 >> Can anyone help me? >> Thanks, >> Paul > > > Hi Paul, > I could call 555.1212 and ask for information in Allentown, > NH and then ask the chick on the other end of the line to please look > up Charles Wilcox at 238 Deerfield Rd #1. Then I could relay what she > told me to you (either on, or off List.) But I think I'll just let you > puzzle this one out! > Dave > PS, Send em to school, buy em books and the eat the covers of em--then > they think the SEL is an information service! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Jun 28 21:44:19 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:44:19 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Scotsman Arnie... Message-ID: <000701c57c65$3a36faf0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Seen at the 1000 engine rally last Saterday. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/scotsman.jpg John H. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jun 29 00:30:17 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:30:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Scotsman Arnie... References: <000701c57c65$3a36faf0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <014801c57c7c$69673e90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> That is just the BEST!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:44 PM Subject: [SEL] Scotsman Arnie... > Seen at the 1000 engine rally last Saterday. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/scotsman.jpg > > John H. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jun 29 03:46:20 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:46:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Scotsman Arnie... In-Reply-To: <000701c57c65$3a36faf0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <000701c57c65$3a36faf0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050629064518.0224fa00@mail.alltel.net> At 12:44 AM 6/29/2005, you wrote: >Seen at the 1000 engine rally last Saterday. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/scotsman.jpg > >John H. This sort of thing happens all the time with Arnie on this side of the pond. Do you want some frontal shots? Dave From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Jun 29 04:37:03 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:37:03 +0800 Subject: [SEL] leather working Message-ID: <000901c57c9e$e31c0af0$c59d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Does any one have any knowledge of leather working machines,ie hand operated stitching machine made by Vilh.Pedersen.Hong of Denmark. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jun 29 05:50:30 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 08:50:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Scotsman Arnie... In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050629064518.0224fa00@mail.alltel.net> References: <000701c57c65$3a36faf0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <6.1.2.0.0.20050629064518.0224fa00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <42C29916.1030603@imc-group.com> Dave, How is it that you have frontal shots of Arnie? And WHY the hell would you keep them? Maybe there is more to your road trips than meets the eye.... Curt :-) Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 12:44 AM 6/29/2005, you wrote: > >> Seen at the 1000 engine rally last Saterday. >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/scotsman.jpg >> >> John H. > > > This sort of thing happens all the time with Arnie on this side of the > pond. Do you want some frontal shots? > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jun 29 07:46:50 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 07:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone In-Reply-To: <42C1FCE9.9050505@earthlink.net> References: <00b301c57c1a$32715810$230110ac@PAUL> <6.1.2.0.0.20050628163122.02208c70@mail.alltel.net> <42C1FCE9.9050505@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3702.165.206.180.102.1120056410.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Man, you must have some info locked down. This ain't it, I bet....... (303) 254-5948 Naw, that would be too easy........ Bill > Sir Dave, > > Please use your infinite wisdom to teach us how to find phone numbers so > none will ever have to bother the list again with this. Find mine and > share your wisdom with all of us. No cheating though. You can't pay > anything other than appropriate long distance charges for your search. > > Jeffrey Allen > 6303 Johnson Way > Arvada, CO 80004 > > Find it!! > > Jeff > > Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> At 03:47 PM 6/28/2005, you wrote: >> >>> I am trying to locate or find a telephone number for a: >>> Charles Wilcox >>> 238 Deerfield Rd. #1 >>> Allenstown, NH 03275 >>> Can anyone help me? >>> Thanks, >>> Paul >> >> >> Hi Paul, >> I could call 555.1212 and ask for information in Allentown, >> NH and then ask the chick on the other end of the line to please look >> up Charles Wilcox at 238 Deerfield Rd #1. Then I could relay what she >> told me to you (either on, or off List.) But I think I'll just let you >> puzzle this one out! >> Dave >> PS, Send em to school, buy em books and the eat the covers of em--then >> they think the SEL is an information service! >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Jun 29 16:08:58 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:08:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT, E-bay scam?? Message-ID: <42C32A0A.4000409@earthlink.net> Hi all, Just got something from e-bay (maybe) but it's in German. Don't have a clue what it says. If you speak German and would allow me to forward it, contact me off list. I think it's a new scam, but without being able to read it I don't know. Jeff Allen transteck at earthlink.net From galoway4 at earthlink.net Wed Jun 29 16:30:38 2005 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:30:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Scotsman Arnie... References: <000701c57c65$3a36faf0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <6.1.2.0.0.20050629064518.0224fa00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001801c57d02$90685390$f9dc5a42@jake> Yeah the one wiyh you on your knees ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Scotsman Arnie... > At 12:44 AM 6/29/2005, you wrote: >>Seen at the 1000 engine rally last Saterday. >> >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/scotsman.jpg >> >>John H. > > This sort of thing happens all the time with Arnie on this side of the > pond. Do you want some frontal shots? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Jun 29 16:31:53 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:31:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone In-Reply-To: <3702.165.206.180.102.1120056410.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <00b301c57c1a$32715810$230110ac@PAUL> <6.1.2.0.0.20050628163122.02208c70@mail.alltel.net> <42C1FCE9.9050505@earthlink.net> <3702.165.206.180.102.1120056410.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <42C32F69.2070507@earthlink.net> Hi Bill, That's not it and it's sooooo simple. Took me about 60 seconds. Hint, I have two domains registered. ;-) Jeff bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >Man, you must have some info locked down. >This ain't it, I bet....... > >(303) 254-5948 > >Naw, that would be too easy........ > >Bill > > > From bcl at grandecom.net Wed Jun 29 16:46:17 2005 From: bcl at grandecom.net (LEW BEST) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:46:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT, E-bay scam?? In-Reply-To: <42C32A0A.4000409@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000101c57d04$c0c75fc0$9eedbcd8@OFFICELEW> Just forward it to spoof at ebay.com; they'll let you know. Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 6:09 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] OT, E-bay scam?? Hi all, Just got something from e-bay (maybe) but it's in German. Don't have a clue what it says. If you speak German and would allow me to forward it, contact me off list. I think it's a new scam, but without being able to read it I don't know. Jeff Allen transteck at earthlink.net _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Wed Jun 29 17:31:44 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:31:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone Message-ID: <410-22005643003144531@coastalnet.com> 303-425-9106 > [Original Message] > From: Jeff Allen > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 6/29/2005 8:00:54 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone > > Hi Bill, > > That's not it and it's sooooo simple. Took me about 60 seconds. Hint, I > have two domains registered. ;-) > > Jeff From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Jun 29 18:18:22 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:18:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone In-Reply-To: <410-22005643003144531@coastalnet.com> References: <410-22005643003144531@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <42C3485E.8080208@earthlink.net> You da man Ken. :-) Ken Christison wrote: >303-425-9106 > > > > >>[Original Message] >>From: Jeff Allen >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Date: 6/29/2005 8:00:54 PM >>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone >> >>Hi Bill, >> >>That's not it and it's sooooo simple. Took me about 60 seconds. Hint, I >>have two domains registered. ;-) >> >>Jeff >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed Jun 29 20:33:41 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:33:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Scotsman Arnie... In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050629064518.0224fa00@mail.alltel.net> References: <000701c57c65$3a36faf0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <6.1.2.0.0.20050629064518.0224fa00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <42C36815.9080200@wightman.ca> SNAP! Sorry. That was the sound my mind made at that suggestion! Dunc Dave Rotigel wrote: > This sort of thing happens all the time with Arnie on this side of the > pond. Do you want some frontal shots? > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed Jun 29 20:39:02 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:39:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ya gotta wonder Message-ID: <42C36956.4060802@wightman.ca> I see various adds on Harry's and sometimes the price gets reduced and sometimes I imagine some iron changes hands but I see several ads on there that repeat every month and the price never changes and the engine doesn't sell. Am I missing something here? If the phone ain't ringing, then nobody is buying at that price. I guess it depends on how long you want to hold out for your price. Duncan -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 23:19:15 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 07:19:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT, E-bay scam?? In-Reply-To: <42C32A0A.4000409@earthlink.net> References: <42C32A0A.4000409@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6f602516050629231966dff4c3@mail.gmail.com> On 6/30/05, Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > Just got something from e-bay (maybe) but it's in German. Don't have a > clue what it says. If you speak German and would allow me to forward it, > contact me off list. I think it's a new scam, but without being able to > read it I don't know. > > Jeff Allen As Lew says, send it (verbatim) to spoof at ebay.com. There are many of these going round for ebay and PayPal, lesser numbers for various banks. At least ebay and PayPal have set up channels for folks to send them to, most Banks haven't a clue when it comes to responses to these things. The latest one for PayPal is a spoof telling you that someone has sent you a payment for an item, and that there is a query on the transaction. I don't know how many of these emails get sent out, but we are getting 2 or 3 a week regularly. spoof at paypal.com spoof at ebay.com Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jun 29 17:00:32 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:00:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Scotsman Arnie... In-Reply-To: <42C29916.1030603@imc-group.com> References: <000701c57c65$3a36faf0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <6.1.2.0.0.20050629064518.0224fa00@mail.alltel.net> <42C29916.1030603@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050629195927.03e3df10@mail.alltel.net> Hell Curt, You are the one who took them. I only save what is sent to me! Dave At 08:50 AM 6/29/2005, you wrote: >Dave, >How is it that you have frontal shots of Arnie? And WHY the hell would you >keep them? >Maybe there is more to your road trips than meets the eye.... >Curt :-) > >Dave Rotigel wrote: > >>At 12:44 AM 6/29/2005, you wrote: >> >>>Seen at the 1000 engine rally last Saterday. >>> >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/scotsman.jpg >>> >>>John H. >> >> >>This sort of thing happens all the time with Arnie on this side of the >>pond. Do you want some frontal shots? >> Dave >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 23:51:22 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 07:51:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ya gotta wonder In-Reply-To: <42C36956.4060802@wightman.ca> References: <42C36956.4060802@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <6f60251605062923516941d62a@mail.gmail.com> On 6/30/05, Duncan Denman wrote: > I see various adds on Harry's and sometimes the price gets reduced and > sometimes I imagine some iron changes hands but I see several ads on > there that repeat every month and the price never changes and the engine > doesn't sell. > Am I missing something here? If the phone ain't ringing, then nobody is > buying at that price. I guess it depends on how long you want to hold > out for your price. > > Duncan > I guess that as long as the advert costs nothing, then it's no hardship to keep it there, someone will eventually come along.... You see the same on ebay, except that there is a charge for the listing now, and relistings are not free as they used to be IIRC, so there's less of an incentive to keep putting them back on. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Jun 29 23:56:03 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:56:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. But possibly of interest - Old Technology In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050628180539.026159c8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200506300656.j5U6uJxA079897@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Recently I have been helping to reassemble and restore the clockwork > mechanism that allowed the 60-inch telescope to track an > object in the sky. In the early years it often took several hours to expose the > photographic plates and of course the telescope had to be kept moving > during the exposure to compensate for the rotation of the > earth. Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/60clock/ > to see some pictures of this device which was in use from 1908 - 1968. Hi Larry, That's one heck of a contraption! Will you have it set up to run? Will there be problems getting it running without a big hole for the weight? Rob From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Jun 29 23:59:36 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:59:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Astle Park 1000 Engine Rally/A for Dave R. In-Reply-To: <000701c57c29$f84d5c50$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200506300659.j5U6xwnk081244@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Arnie decided to try some of my brew I brought from > the other side of the water. > The nude in the middle is Neville Beaty. Ugh! You should have known, John, not to give Nev any of that good Dutch beer. I hope he didn't traumatize any impressionable children with his "display." Rob From sixmjohn at quicknet.nl Thu Jun 30 02:48:42 2005 From: sixmjohn at quicknet.nl (John H.) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:48:42 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Astle Park 1000 Engine Rally/A for Dave R. References: <200506300659.j5U6xwnk081244@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001b01c57d58$ea3e1b60$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Rob, looking around there in the UK and also in Holland, the "children" of today are acting like adults and showing almost more naked skin then my mother could cover me in my young days. Nev always behave himself when my wife is around :o) John H. > > Arnie decided to try some of my brew I brought from > > the other side of the water. > > The nude in the middle is Neville Beaty. > > Ugh! You should have known, John, not to give Nev any of that good Dutch beer. > I hope he didn't traumatize any impressionable children with his "display." > > Rob From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 29 16:28:35 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] O.T. But possibly of interest - Old Technology In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050628180539.026159c8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050629232835.61534.qmail@web31306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Really nice work there, Larry. The assembled clock sure looks better than the pile of it's parts. 8>)) I showed the parts pictures to my wife & daughter. They agreed it looked like a pile of junk. Then a look at the assembled clock got a response of, "Cool,,,,." 8>))))) Is the deep pit still there to run it? Will it be set up so it can be run or will it just be there as a static display? IMHO it would be a LOT more memorable if the public saw it running. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- Larry Evans wrote: > As a lot of you know I get involved in various projects at the Mt. Wilson > Observatory. > > Recently I have been helping to reassemble and restore the clockwork > mechanism that allowed the 60-inch telescope to track an object in the > sky. In the early years it often took several hours to expose the > photographic plates and of course the telescope had to be kept moving > during the exposure to compensate for the rotation of the earth. Take a > look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/60clock/ > to see some pictures of this device which was in use from 1908 - 1968. > > Regards, > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From lfevans at pacbell.net Thu Jun 30 07:53:05 2005 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 07:53:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. But possibly of interest - Old Technology In-Reply-To: <20050629232835.61534.qmail@web31306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050628180539.026159c8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> <20050629232835.61534.qmail@web31306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050630074518.02843aa8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Alan, The pit is still there but not in a good location for public display. However, we can run the cable to an overhead pulley and have the weight drop from there to the floor. Might make a better display that way since more of the action would be visible and the rewind would occur much more often. Regards, Larry At 04:28 PM 6/29/2005, you wrote: >Really nice work there, Larry. > >The assembled clock sure looks better than the pile of it's parts. 8>)) >I showed the parts pictures to my wife & daughter. They agreed it looked >like a pile of junk. >Then a look at the assembled clock got a response of, "Cool,,,,." 8>))))) > >Is the deep pit still there to run it? >Will it be set up so it can be run or will it just be there as a static >display? >IMHO it would be a LOT more memorable if the public saw it running. > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/