From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jul  1 08:32:01 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 08:32:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone
In-Reply-To: <42C32F69.2070507@earthlink.net>
References: <00b301c57c1a$32715810$230110ac@PAUL>	<6.1.2.0.0.20050628163122.02208c70@mail.alltel.net>	<42C1FCE9.9050505@earthlink.net>
	<3702.165.206.180.102.1120056410.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
	<42C32F69.2070507@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <25301.165.206.180.118.1120231921.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

Yeah, I didn't go there yet - we had major net issues and I got
distracted...... but that's how I found a fellow who said I couldn't find
his real name or address. People only knew him by his middle name. I found
out why when I found his full given name.

Of course, it depends on the honesty of the person registering the domain!
Some folks don't use real info there....


Bill

> Hi Bill,
>
> That's not it and it's sooooo simple. Took me about 60 seconds. Hint, I
> have two domains registered. ;-)
>
> Jeff
>
> bill at antique-engines.com wrote:
>
>>Man, you must have some info locked down.
>>This ain't it, I bet.......
>>
>>(303) 254-5948
>>
>>Naw, that would be too easy........
>>
>>Bill
>>
>>
>>
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jul  1 08:33:22 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:33:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV932656A80B32F35A9F458BBE20@phx.gbl>

G'day all;
  Anyone recognize this hopper?  Looks like off an ~ 2hp or so:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480594gtGzGf

and another view:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480411CTcDqD

TIA
RickinMt.


From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Fri Jul  1 08:49:24 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 01:49:24 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
References: <BAY5-DAV932656A80B32F35A9F458BBE20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002101c57e54$756c1f60$ad85dccb@oemcomputer>

Looks like it may be of a Witte log saw engine.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387  
edsingns at winsoft.net.au 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:33
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper


> G'day all;
>   Anyone recognize this hopper?  Looks like off an ~ 2hp or so:
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480594gtGzGf
> 
> and another view:
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480411CTcDqD
> 
> TIA
> RickinMt.
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jul  1 09:29:19 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:29:19 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
Message-ID: <20050701.092920.1356.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Rick.
My vote is Witte log saw too.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:33:22 -0600 "Richard Strobel"
<Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> writes:
> G'day all;
>   Anyone recognize this hopper?  Looks like off an ~ 2hp or so:
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480594gtGzGf
> 
> and another view:
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480411CTcDqD
> 
> TIA
> RickinMt.
>


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jul  1 10:16:18 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:16:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
References: <20050701.092920.1356.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV3E43C4947A062E8E33BA0BBE20@phx.gbl>

Kewl..thanks guys.  That would explain the slanted hopper surfaces.  Will 
look for the rest of it.

later,
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery hopper


> Hi Rick.
> My vote is Witte log saw too.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:33:22 -0600 "Richard Strobel"
> <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> writes:
> > G'day all;
> >   Anyone recognize this hopper?  Looks like off an ~ 2hp or so:
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480594gtGzGf
> >
> > and another view:
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480411CTcDqD
> >
> > TIA
> > RickinMt.
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jul  1 10:21:20 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:21:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
In-Reply-To: <20050701.092920.1356.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20050701.092920.1356.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <26026.165.206.180.118.1120238480.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

The size and angle would support that of the log saw.....

Bill

> Hi Rick.
> My vote is Witte log saw too.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:33:22 -0600 "Richard Strobel"
> <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> writes:
>> G'day all;
>>   Anyone recognize this hopper?  Looks like off an ~ 2hp or so:
>>
>> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480594gtGzGf
>>
>> and another view:
>>
>> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480411CTcDqD
>>
>> TIA
>> RickinMt.
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jul  1 10:23:56 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:23:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT, E-bay scam??
In-Reply-To: <6f602516050629231966dff4c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <42C32A0A.4000409@earthlink.net>
	<6f602516050629231966dff4c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26043.165.206.180.118.1120238636.squirrel@antique-engines.com>


My son says from 5 to 10 million in a shot is a conservative estimate.
And there are many scammers doing it.

I used to be able to send 700 emails in 3 minutes on a slow server and
dial-up connection.

Bill

> On 6/30/05, Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just got something from e-bay (maybe) but it's in German. Don't have a
>> clue what it says. If you speak German and would allow me to forward it,
>> contact me off list. I think it's a new scam, but without being able to
>> read it I don't know.
>>
>> Jeff Allen
>
> As Lew says, send it (verbatim) to spoof at ebay.com. There are many of
> these going round for ebay and PayPal, lesser numbers for various
> banks. At least ebay and PayPal have set up channels for folks to send
> them to, most Banks haven't a clue when it comes to responses to these
> things.
>
> The latest one for PayPal is a spoof telling you that someone has sent
> you a payment for an item, and that there is a query on the
> transaction. I don't know how many of these emails get sent out, but
> we are getting 2 or 3 a week regularly.
>
> spoof at paypal.com
> spoof at ebay.com
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  1 10:36:54 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:36:54 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV932656A80B32F35A9F458BBE20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F10850BEF13B973A3B066B6C8E20@phx.gbl>

Hi Rick

Here's some pictures of the hopper on an engine:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sherman/witteslant1.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck02/buck02-3.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/SandwichFair2000/wittelogsaw01.jpg

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
--------------------------------------------------
>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
>Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:33:22 -0600
>
>G'day all;
>   Anyone recognize this hopper?  Looks like off an ~ 2hp or so:
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480594gtGzGf
>
>and another view:
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480411CTcDqD
>
>TIA
>RickinMt.




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jul  1 16:35:19 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 09:35:19 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
References: <BAY5-DAV932656A80B32F35A9F458BBE20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <023301c57e95$8cf23e80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Witte dragsaw?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:33 AM
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper


> G'day all;
>  Anyone recognize this hopper?  Looks like off an ~ 2hp or so:
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480594gtGzGf
> 
> and another view:
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480411CTcDqD
> 
> TIA
> RickinMt.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jul  1 18:47:54 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 21:47:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
Message-ID: <20050701.214819.260.3.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Rick,

I go along with the rest - Witte Log Saw.

That's the reason for the slant.

You can check out my Witte on my website but it's straight - not slanted.

The The log saw had slanted hopper.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jul  1 22:31:03 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:31:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] JD 160 garden tractor
Message-ID: <20050701.223104.1408.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  A friend gave me a JD 160 garden tractor, it is missing the
clutch tensioning pulleys and it looks like if I buy all the little
pieces it will cost a fortune.  Does anyone have a parts 160 laying
around?   Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sat Jul  2 02:52:05 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 19:52:05 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Latest installment of the Ruston PB3 - Tearing it down...
Message-ID: <42C663C5.1050205@steamengine.com.au>

If you're interested in this story - here is the next installment.

http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/rh-pb3/teardown.html

Enjoy.

Paul
-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jul  2 03:53:23 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 06:53:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Latest installment of the Ruston PB3 - Tearing it down...
In-Reply-To: <42C663C5.1050205@steamengine.com.au>
References: <42C663C5.1050205@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <95fa522b7c4bee0df8f9a8fd0d87d07a@chartertn.net>

Looks great, Paul!

Have you come to an understanding with the angry spider in the exhaust 
port?

John

On Jul 2, 2005, at 5:52 AM, Paul Pavlinovich wrote:

> If you're interested in this story - here is the next installment.
>
> http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/rh-pb3/teardown.html
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Paul


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sat Jul  2 04:30:12 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 21:30:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Latest installment of the Ruston PB3 - Tearing it
	down...
In-Reply-To: <95fa522b7c4bee0df8f9a8fd0d87d07a@chartertn.net>
References: <42C663C5.1050205@steamengine.com.au>
	<95fa522b7c4bee0df8f9a8fd0d87d07a@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <42C67AC4.6070502@steamengine.com.au>

No, but we're working on a tenancy deal - of course, I could always just 
wait until the engine is running and blow him off :)

Do you ever sleep? How early did you get up?

Paul

John Culp wrote:
> Looks great, Paul!
> 
> Have you come to an understanding with the angry spider in the exhaust 
> port?
> 
> John
> 
> On Jul 2, 2005, at 5:52 AM, Paul Pavlinovich wrote:
> 
>> If you're interested in this story - here is the next installment.
>>
>> http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/rh-pb3/teardown.html
>>
>> Enjoy.
>>
>> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> 
> 
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


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From garyepps at fidnet.com  Sat Jul  2 06:42:48 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 08:42:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] JD 160 garden tractor
In-Reply-To: <20050701.223104.1408.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20050701.223104.1408.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <42C699D8.8020500@fidnet.com>

Ron check

> http://home.listings.ebay.com/Parts-Accessories_John-Deere_W0QQfclZ1QQfromZ1883QQsacatZ82240QQsocmdZListingItemListQQsspagenameZmeQ3afQ3acat

for all the JD garden tractor parts you might need.  If this URL doesn't 
work for you go to HOME, BUY, HOME AND GARDEN, OUTDOOR POWER EQUIPMENT, 
LAWN MOWERS, PARTS & ACCESSORIES, JOHN DEERE

Gary

rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> Hi all.  A friend gave me a JD 160 garden tractor, it is missing the
> clutch tensioning pulleys and it looks like if I buy all the little
> pieces it will cost a fortune.  Does anyone have a parts 160 laying
> around?   Thanks.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From garyepps at fidnet.com  Sat Jul  2 06:44:33 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 08:44:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] JD 160 garden tractor
In-Reply-To: <20050701.223104.1408.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20050701.223104.1408.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <42C69A41.3070004@fidnet.com>

Ron my previous email was referencing an Ebay trail.

Gary

rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> Hi all.  A friend gave me a JD 160 garden tractor, it is missing the
> clutch tensioning pulleys and it looks like if I buy all the little
> pieces it will cost a fortune.  Does anyone have a parts 160 laying
> around?   Thanks.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jul  2 06:53:06 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 09:53:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Latest installment of the Ruston PB3 - Tearing it
	down...
In-Reply-To: <42C67AC4.6070502@steamengine.com.au>
References: <42C663C5.1050205@steamengine.com.au>
	<95fa522b7c4bee0df8f9a8fd0d87d07a@chartertn.net>
	<42C67AC4.6070502@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <aa60499866e2ddd6b1a0a0091f91bf7c@chartertn.net>

I don't think I'd be too quick to evict him, either.

I keep somewhat irregular hours. And when I can't sleep, I'll probably 
check in online. :-)

John

On Jul 2, 2005, at 7:30 AM, Paul Pavlinovich wrote:

> No, but we're working on a tenancy deal - of course, I could always 
> just wait until the engine is running and blow him off :)
>
> Do you ever sleep? How early did you get up?
>
> Paul


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jul  2 09:33:24 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 10:33:24 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
References: <BAY103-F10850BEF13B973A3B066B6C8E20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV19A6BA4E7D6EBDCBBF5F57BBE50@phx.gbl>

Thanks again guys and also for the pix's Luke.  Now it's just a matter of 
finding the rest and talking the lady into selling it.  She's a dandy to say 
the least!!

later
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 11:36 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Mystery hopper


> Hi Rick
>
> Here's some pictures of the hopper on an engine:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sherman/witteslant1.jpg
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck02/buck02-3.jpg
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/SandwichFair2000/wittelogsaw01.jpg
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
> --------------------------------------------------
> >From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
> >Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:33:22 -0600
> >
> >G'day all;
> >   Anyone recognize this hopper?  Looks like off an ~ 2hp or so:
> >
> >http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480594gtGzGf
> >
> >and another view:
> >
> >http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480411CTcDqD
> >
> >TIA
> >RickinMt.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sat Jul  2 10:14:52 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 10:14:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] JD 160 garden tractor
In-Reply-To: <20050701.223104.1408.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200507021714.j62HEtJG010745@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi Ron,  Go to Ebay, John Deere 140 . there are people parting them
regularly.  Cya  Jimmy O'

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:31 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; at at lists.antique-tractor.com
Subject: [SEL] JD 160 garden tractor

Hi all.  A friend gave me a JD 160 garden tractor, it is missing the
clutch tensioning pulleys and it looks like if I buy all the little
pieces it will cost a fortune.  Does anyone have a parts 160 laying
around?   Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From chesnimnus at juno.com  Sat Jul  2 12:56:33 2005
From: chesnimnus at juno.com (Colin M Rush)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 12:56:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 
	NW IHC Show Dates & New Name: Great Western Binder Bee/July 8,
	9, and 10
Message-ID: <20050702.130428.1856.2.chesnimnus@juno.com>

I thought I had posted about this here, but I guess I forgotten.  Sorry
for such short notice.

Those of you that attended the 2004 NW Binder RoundUp at the Western
Antique Powerland in Brooks, Oregon will be pleased to know that there
will another show this year at the same location.  The name has been
changed, and it is now called the Great Western Binder Bee.  The name was
selected to reflect its position as a western regional show for the left
half of the country.  Those of you with a tendency toward old McCormick
and other old ag machines will appreciate the name.  For those of you
that did not come last year, we had somewhere shy of 400 entrants, with
around 180 trucks and military vehicles, and the remainder being
tractors, industrial machines, reefers, engines, and even a humidifier. 
>From what I have heard, this is larger than all but the Red Power
RoundUp.

This year we will be holding it again at the Western Antique Powerland in
Brooks, Oregon on July 8, 9, and 10.  Like last year, this will be open
to anything and everything made by IHC and is related companies built
between 1831 and 2005.  This year, there will also most likely be draft
animals pulling old implements by McCormick, Plano, and others.  We found
a club that is into draft animals, and their tools of  trade are almost
exclusively IHC.  Barring any conflict of date with another show that
they are already committed to, they will be there working the animals. 
We also simplified the registration fees, and trimmed down the number of
judging categories.  Last year was too confusing.  Truck judging will be
done by a select committee from IHSTO.  I do not believe that there will
be any judging of the tractors and motors.  Like last year, there will be
camping and hookups onsite, and lodging within 10 minutes of the grounds.

If anyone wants to learn more about the Great Western Binder Bee, the
point man on this is John Donnelly.  He is the chairman for the show.  If
you want to get the registration packet mailed to you, please contact me,
or contact John at <dslscout at oregonsbest.com>.  The local IH vendors know
about this show too.  If you call Binder Books, you can ask them about
the show too.  If you are ordering anything from them, be sure to ask
them to include a flyer about the show.  Ultimately, you will have to get
the registration from John.  Judging by our feedback, this year's show
will be larger than last year.  Come one, come all, we hope to see you
there.

If you do not have time to preregister, you can still get in by just
showing up at the gate.  Please come.
-Colin Rush


From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jul  2 00:37:18 2005
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 17:37:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT (Bristol 20)
Message-ID: <000501c57ed8$fa6536a0$0abaa4cb@fred>

Hi List ,
We have just aquired a Tractor to tow engines around, Am missing 
distributor?
Does anyone know what engine is fitted to a Bristol 20?
casting marks on the block says Weslake patent .593441
Engine No.4754
Has Zenith updraught carby.
We think is is an adaption of a car engine.
Can anyone help or direct me to a site?
Brian in Melbourne.

















From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Jul  2 16:30:31 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 17:30:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Lathe
Message-ID: <42C72397.1000607@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Might have a chance to pick up a 1938 Craftsman lathe with full set of 
gears. Any thoughts on this lathe are welcome. Models and cannons are my 
thoughts. Good lathe or not? $300

Jeff Allen



From solarrog at pacbell.net  Sat Jul  2 17:57:57 2005
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 17:57:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Lathe
References: <42C72397.1000607@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000601c57f6a$41d97b40$adca7043@D6R3D961>

$300 is small money, If you do not have a lathe currently . This one will 
give you many hours of entertainment. The down side is you will quickly out 
grow it, The up side is you will have learned some, and you can always sell 
it for what you paid for it. ask for any books they may have, The same goes 
for tooling.
PS
dont wear a tie while using it. lol.

Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate,
The Realty Experts
Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc
Collector of antique engines
Website; scrapologist.com
Ham Radio; KG6QKZ
Fremont,Ca
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Oldengine list" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 4:30 PM
Subject: [SEL] Lathe


> Hi all,
>
> Might have a chance to pick up a 1938 Craftsman lathe with full set of 
> gears. Any thoughts on this lathe are welcome. Models and cannons are my 
> thoughts. Good lathe or not? $300
>
> Jeff Allen
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From skipl at montana.com  Sat Jul  2 19:19:33 2005
From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 20:19:33 -0600
Subject: [SEL] posts
Message-ID: <42C74B35.C87641D1@montana.com>

skipl at montana.com




From EnginePaul at aol.com  Sat Jul  2 19:14:15 2005
From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 22:14:15 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Lathe
Message-ID: <1f2.ce7061f.2ff8a3f7@aol.com>

Check this site:
_http://groups.yahoo.com/group/atlas_craftsman/_ 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/atlas_craftsman/) 
 
 


From skipl at montana.com  Sat Jul  2 19:31:39 2005
From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 20:31:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] back from pa.
Message-ID: <42C74E0B.1876C7C1@montana.com>

i made it home from pa, [ family visit & cool spring show] it was nice
to meet a few of you in person.  dave, glenn, & arney , although it was
only for a short time, i enjoyed our visit.  thanks,  skip




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jul  2 20:03:40 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 23:03:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] back from pa.
In-Reply-To: <42C74E0B.1876C7C1@montana.com>
References: <42C74E0B.1876C7C1@montana.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050702230238.049f3ca0@mail.alltel.net>

At 10:31 PM 7/2/2005, you wrote:
>i made it home from pa, [ family visit & cool spring show] it was nice
>to meet a few of you in person.  dave, glenn, & arney , although it was
>only for a short time, i enjoyed our visit.  thanks,  skip

And we sure enjoyed meeting and talking to you as well!
         Dave 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jul  2 23:21:30 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 07:21:30 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT (Bristol 20)
In-Reply-To: <000501c57ed8$fa6536a0$0abaa4cb@fred>
References: <000501c57ed8$fa6536a0$0abaa4cb@fred>
Message-ID: <6f6025160507022321734c53d7@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/2/05, Brian Watts <briwatt at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> Hi List ,
> We have just aquired a Tractor to tow engines around, Am missing
> distributor?
> Does anyone know what engine is fitted to a Bristol 20?
> casting marks on the block says Weslake patent .593441
> Engine No.4754
> Has Zenith updraught carby.
> We think is is an adaption of a car engine.
> Can anyone help or direct me to a site?
> Brian in Melbourne.

All the info we have points to a Bristol 20 crawler, not a tractor. If
you could get the Carb number off the float bowl, I can try and
cross-reference it back to an engine.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jul  3 03:48:19 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:48:19 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Underwood (OZ)
References: <000501c57ed8$fa6536a0$0abaa4cb@fred>
	<6f6025160507022321734c53d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c57fbc$ba371b40$e7a7ecdc@morris>

G'Day All

There was a Underwood engine at the National much like a ronny N does anyone 
know where Underwoods were made.

Thanks

Kerry

Lithgow NSW OZ 



From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  3 04:30:18 2005
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:30:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Underwood (OZ)
In-Reply-To: <000c01c57fbc$ba371b40$e7a7ecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <BAY14-F27A18A2BB88A7E9D002EBCBAE40@phx.gbl>

G'day Kerry, from what i have read they were made in melbourne.I think in 
the 1940's.they were a 3-5 hp running at 1000 rpm.that is all i can remember 
of the top of my head.I will see what else i can drag up. Dave

>From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Underwood (OZ)
>Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:48:19 +1000
>
>G'Day All
>
>There was a Underwood engine at the National much like a ronny N does 
>anyone know where Underwoods were made.
>
>Thanks
>
>Kerry
>
>Lithgow NSW OZ
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jul  3 05:44:42 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:44:42 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Astle Park 
Message-ID: <ff.16b0b72e.2ff937ba@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/27/2005 11:42:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
nick at holden1.net writes:

<< just back from a very good day out at Astle Park rally >>


Nick,

Thanks for sharing the photo's.  Beautiful 1/2 New Holland.  I would assume a 
rare bird over there?

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sun Jul  3 06:05:17 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 15:05:17 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Astle Park
References: <ff.16b0b72e.2ff937ba@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001501c57fcf$dfa2bf70$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

When someone likes more pics to see taken at Astle Park,
they can be seen at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/astleparkrally2005.htm

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web




> Nick,
> 
> Thanks for sharing the photo's.  Beautiful 1/2 New Holland.  I would assume a 
> rare bird over there?
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com




From marvhed at ecenet.com  Sun Jul  3 04:42:11 2005
From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 06:42:11 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT (Bristol 20)
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160507022321734c53d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000501c57ed8$fa6536a0$0abaa4cb@fred>
	<6f6025160507022321734c53d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1304.64.61.214.168.1120390931.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>

a bristol site is:

http://home.hccnet.nl/m.hooijberg/bristol.html

marv in minn

> On 7/2/05, Brian Watts <briwatt at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>> Hi List ,
>> We have just aquired a Tractor to tow engines around, Am missing
>> distributor?
>> Does anyone know what engine is fitted to a Bristol 20?
>> casting marks on the block says Weslake patent .593441
>> Engine No.4754
>> Has Zenith updraught carby.
>> We think is is an adaption of a car engine.
>> Can anyone help or direct me to a site?
>> Brian in Melbourne.
>
> All the info we have points to a Bristol 20 crawler, not a tractor. If
> you could get the Carb number off the float bowl, I can try and
> cross-reference it back to an engine.
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul  3 09:26:03 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 17:26:03 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT (Bristol 20)
In-Reply-To: <1304.64.61.214.168.1120390931.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
References: <000501c57ed8$fa6536a0$0abaa4cb@fred>
	<6f6025160507022321734c53d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1304.64.61.214.168.1120390931.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
Message-ID: <6f60251605070309264d5a264e@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/3/05, MARVIN HEDBERG <marvhed at ecenet.com> wrote:
> a bristol site is:
> 
> http://home.hccnet.nl/m.hooijberg/bristol.html
> 
> marv in minnel

Thanks, Marv, I was wondering if you'd comment on the machinery :-))

Looks a lot like the Ransomes Crawlers?

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From todengine at zoominternet.net  Sat Jul  2 17:49:34 2005
From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 20:49:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Lathe
References: <42C72397.1000607@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00a601c57f69$14db09c0$cd35ef18@pengy>

Sounds like a good deal to me.

Rick

PS Check out http://www.practicalmachinist.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Oldengine list" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 7:30 PM
Subject: [SEL] Lathe


> Hi all,
>
> Might have a chance to pick up a 1938 Craftsman lathe with full set of 
> gears. Any thoughts on this lathe are welcome. Models and cannons are my 
> thoughts. Good lathe or not? $300
>
> Jeff Allen
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jul  3 10:53:07 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 13:53:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT (Bristol 20)
In-Reply-To: <1304.64.61.214.168.1120390931.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
References: <000501c57ed8$fa6536a0$0abaa4cb@fred>
	<6f6025160507022321734c53d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1304.64.61.214.168.1120390931.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
Message-ID: <f9ae1a6ecd5d31b9567ba8fc8df0128e@chartertn.net>

When I saw the subject of this thread, I thought maybe they'd come out 
with a new really, really short NASCAR race here, for 
attention-impaired fans.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From nick at holden1.net  Sun Jul  3 13:10:57 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:10:57 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
References: <BAY5-DAV932656A80B32F35A9F458BBE20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42C84651.000001.01056@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Hi Rick you can look at some photos of a witte in my photos 
look at Hollowell
nick

 
 
Nick Holden
Banbury 
Oxfordshire (UK)
nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Richard Strobel
Date: 07/01/05 16:56:53
To: sel
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
 
G'day all;
  Anyone recognize this hopper?  Looks like off an ~ 2hp or so:
 
http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480594gtGzGf
 
and another view:
 
http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480411CTcDqD
 
TIA
RickinMt.
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sun Jul  3 14:19:08 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 23:19:08 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Interesting engine lifter.
Message-ID: <000d01c58014$dd2e56b0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hi All,

When packing and loading my stuff at Astle Park last week,
I saw a guy loading his engine on a little different way as most
of us do. He had a special made trailer with a hydraulic lifting
device. Was surprised to see how easy it works and took some
pictures of the whole cycle.
The pics can be seen at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/Lifttrailer.htm

Maybe a nice winter project for someone.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jul  3 14:40:10 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 14:40:10 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
Message-ID: <20050703.144011.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
I am planning on buying a small forklift.  Here is a picture, how much do
you think it weighs?

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=72170722&Sequ
ence=0&res=high
The owner doesn't know anything about it.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Sun Jul  3 15:54:07 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 15:54:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
References: <20050703.144011.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <00ed01c58022$1fda22c0$cc4c6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

2360.376 pounds

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA 
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 2:40 PM
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question


Hi all.
I am planning on buying a small forklift.  Here is a picture, how much do
you think it weighs?

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=72170722&Sequ
ence=0&res=high
The owner doesn't know anything about it.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sun Jul  3 16:41:40 2005
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 00:41:40 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
In-Reply-To: <20050703.144011.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20050703.144011.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <atocwhu0eHyCFwSk@loud-n-clear.net>

In message <20050703.144011.1516.0.rdhaskell at juno.com>, 
rdhaskell at juno.com writes
>how much do you think it weighs?

Two tons or thereabouts...

Regards

      Pete
-- 
Peter Scales



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jul  3 16:52:21 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 16:52:21 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Re: [AT] Forklift question
Message-ID: <20050703.165221.1516.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Since I asked the question of both lists, I will reply to both.  The
owner says it has no tags on it, and he hasn't had it very long.  Just
long enough to get it running and the brakes fixed.  The trailer I would
like to take is a single axle 6,000 capacity.  Also would take heavy
channel iron to drive it on and park it on, so it doesn't drop through
the wood.  I thought someone would recognize it and know the model. 
Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jul  3 16:54:30 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 16:54:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
Message-ID: <20050703.165430.1516.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Jim.  I think you missed it by a couple of pounds.  Obviously you
didn't see the gas tank was full. <VBG>

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 15:54:07 -0700 "Jim and Diane"
<jd.kirkes at verizon.net> writes:
> 2360.376 pounds
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, CA 
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net


From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com  Sun Jul  3 17:41:19 2005
From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:41:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
References: <20050703.144011.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <003101c58031$18366ce0$9fc67040@user>

Ron, I have a Clark forklift that is rated at 5000 lbs capacity. It weighs
8300 lbs. Yours is smaller but they are heavy. Look on the machine for a
specification plate. They are on all the fork lifts and riveted to the
machine. Mine is on the dash. It may be painted over or missing but it is
worth a look. It will give the weight and capacity. We had one same as this
at work. Sold them off when we went to leasing our forklifts. Do not know
what they got for it. It was a handy one as it was very maneuverable.

Paul Russell
Riga, Michigan
hit_n_miss at tc3net.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 5:40 PM
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question


Hi all.
I am planning on buying a small forklift.  Here is a picture, how much do
you think it weighs?

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=72170722&Sequ
ence=0&res=high
The owner doesn't know anything about it.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From bcl at grandecom.net  Sun Jul  3 18:10:45 2005
From: bcl at grandecom.net (LEW BEST)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:10:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: [AT] Forklift question
In-Reply-To: <20050703.165221.1516.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <001001c58035$3860d7e0$9eedbcd8@OFFICELEW>




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From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 6:52 PM
To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Re: [AT] Forklift question

<<snip>>  The trailer I would
like to take is a single axle 6,000 capacity.  Also would take heavy
channel iron to drive it on and park it on, so it doesn't drop through
the wood.>>

Probably a bit heavy for that trailer but if you don't have to go far it
should be ok.  Definitely want the iron to spread the weight out!

Lew



From bcl at grandecom.net  Sun Jul  3 18:16:07 2005
From: bcl at grandecom.net (LEW BEST)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:16:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
In-Reply-To: <003101c58031$18366ce0$9fc67040@user>
Message-ID: <001101c58035$f4f86a30$9eedbcd8@OFFICELEW>

Hadn't thought about it but most trucks have a serial number/model
number stamped on the frame rails near the seat; number may give a clue
as to capacity; if not you can call a dealer & they'll have the weight.

Lew


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Russell
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 7:41 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Forklift question

Ron, I have a Clark forklift that is rated at 5000 lbs capacity. It
weighs
8300 lbs. Yours is smaller but they are heavy. Look on the machine for a
specification plate. They are on all the fork lifts and riveted to the
machine. Mine is on the dash. It may be painted over or missing but it
is
worth a look. It will give the weight and capacity. We had one same as
this
at work. Sold them off when we went to leasing our forklifts. Do not
know
what they got for it. It was a handy one as it was very maneuverable.

Paul Russell
Riga, Michigan
hit_n_miss at tc3net.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 5:40 PM
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question


Hi all.
I am planning on buying a small forklift.  Here is a picture, how much
do
you think it weighs?

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=72170722&Seq
u
ence=0&res=high
The owner doesn't know anything about it.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From glenn.karch at gte.net  Sun Jul  3 19:08:07 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:08:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
References: <20050703.144011.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c5803d$3a622c80$08a2123f@oemcomputer>

Ron,

My nephew has a Hyster forklift like that setting in his shop.  It will pick
up at least 3000 poundss so it likely weighs something over 4000 pounds..
It has a Wisconsin V 4 in it that never sounds like it runs right.  If the
steering is worn, it becomes a challenge to drive.  It probably dates back
into the 50's.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 4:40 PM
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question


> Hi all.
> I am planning on buying a small forklift.  Here is a picture, how much do
> you think it weighs?
>
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=72170722&Sequ
> ence=0&res=high
> The owner doesn't know anything about it.  Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul  3 20:44:17 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 04:44:17 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
In-Reply-To: <20050703.144011.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20050703.144011.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605070320443bf63ce8@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/3/05, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> Hi all.
> I am planning on buying a small forklift.  Here is a picture, how much do
> you think it weighs?
> 
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=72170722&Sequ
> ence=0&res=high
> The owner doesn't know anything about it.  Thanks.
> 
> Ron Haskell

Depends on the weight capacity, but you'd be looking at 2.0 to 2.5
tons or so at least, more if it is a heavyweight lifter. The balance
weight at the back goes a ton normally.

When one of our powder coaters closed down, he had an old fork lift
that he gave away to a friend of ours on condition that he collected
it. It was a small fork lift, but it nearly went through the bed of
his car transporter that our friend used to collect it...

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sun Jul  3 21:15:43 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:15:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
In-Reply-To: <20050703.144011.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200507040415.j644FkZZ031035@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi Ron, Is it the same one listed in the Wait  classifieds?  Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 2:40 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; at at lists.antique-tractor.com
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question

Hi all.
I am planning on buying a small forklift.  Here is a picture, how much do
you think it weighs?

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=72170722&Sequ
ence=0&res=high
The owner doesn't know anything about it.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Jul  3 21:20:30 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 00:20:30 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Another IHC LB Running
Message-ID: <9.47399bbd.2ffa130e@aol.com>

Hi List,
My latest project -- another IHC LB is now running correctly after  I finally 
figured out what was wrong with the governor control.  There was  an 
interference between the head and the governor control rod.  Before  getting rid of 
this interference, the engine operated at a fast RPM and its  speed could not be 
changed.
This engine arrived at my shop in a semi basket  condition -- head 
disassembled, oiling line off, piston and rod  rusted, rocker arm and shaft rusted, 
block caked in old oil, and the hopper  full of debris.  The head was in a very 
poor condition.  New valves  were remanufactured from old valves.  The head 
seats had to be  resurfaced.  Replacement valve stem oiling felts were fabricated  
from material obtained at a hobby shop.  Push rods, rocker arms and shaft  
were cleaned.  New oil wicking was made from two pieces of string cut  from my 
wife's string mop.  The shaft of the throttle control valve in  the head was 
frozen and had to be replaced.  The replacement shaft  was made from some ?" 
square brass tubing and 3/16" rod silver solder  together.  A new head gasket was 
made from a piece of material left over  from another uncompleted engine 
project.
A replacement gasoline tank was purchased from Hit-n-Miss  Enterprises.  A 
new ?" copper gasoline feed line using the old check  valve assembly was 
fabricated.  A bronze ball was used in this  assembly along with new bronze strainer 
screen.  A new compensating valve  disc was made from a fender washer.  The 
old compensating valve spring was  also replaced.  The choke shaft and spring 
were replace.  New home  made gaskets were used during reassembly of the 
compensator valve assembly and  mixer.
The cylinder bore was in a very sad condition.  A good  honing remedied this 
problem.  A replacement connecting rod and piston  along with a set of new 
rings were installed.
A replacement crank handle spring and pin was installed in the  flywheel.  
The head of the crank handle pin was slightly mushroomed so that  friction would 
hold this pin in place.  I didn't know that there was a  small hole at the 
bottom of pin hole which allowed the use of a small punch to  drive out the pin. 
 I did it the hard way by drilling and tapping the old  pin in order to 
remove it.
In addition of a new high tension wire, the magneto only need a  good 
cleaning and set of new gaskets.  An engine stop switch was fabricated  and installed 
on the magneto to stop the engine.  Strangely, the old spark  plug seems to 
work after only being wire brushed.
There is a small oil leak in the side plate which still has to  be addressed.
I would to thank everyone who very kindly replied to my inquiries  and 
questions, helped me understand how this engine was oiled, and provided  suggestions 
how to overcome various problems.  

 
Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jul  3 22:08:36 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 22:08:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
Message-ID: <20050703.220837.1516.5.rdhaskell@juno.com>

That's where I found it Jim.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:15:43 -0700 "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
writes:
> Hi Ron, Is it the same one listed in the Wait  classifieds?  Jimmy
> 
> Jim O'Hagan


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sun Jul  3 22:52:21 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 22:52:21 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
In-Reply-To: <20050703.220837.1516.5.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200507040552.j645qNUs073062@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Looks really nice for the money! That will real Good in YOUR yard. CYA Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 10:09 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Forklift question

That's where I found it Jim.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:15:43 -0700 "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
writes:
> Hi Ron, Is it the same one listed in the Wait  classifieds?  Jimmy
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Jul  3 15:03:56 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 18:03:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
In-Reply-To: <20050703.144011.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20050703.144011.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050703180321.02250440@mail.alltel.net>

3.5-4 tons!
         Dave
>Hi all.
>I am planning on buying a small forklift.  Here is a picture, how much do
>you think it weighs?
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=72170722&Sequ
>ence=0&res=high
>The owner doesn't know anything about it.  Thanks.
>Ron Haskell



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Jul  3 17:33:34 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 20:33:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: [AT] Forklift question
In-Reply-To: <20050703.165221.1516.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20050703.165221.1516.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050703203030.0222fec0@mail.alltel.net>

You will be overloaded by about 2,000 lbs. However the trailer will carry 
the load with no trouble if you are not going over 50 miles, or so. As I 
said earlier, the unit weighs about 7,000 lbs.
         Dave
PS, I take for granted that you are not pulling it with a VW!

>Since I asked the question of both lists, I will reply to both.  The
>owner says it has no tags on it, and he hasn't had it very long.  Just
>long enough to get it running and the brakes fixed.  The trailer I would
>like to take is a single axle 6,000 capacity.  Also would take heavy
>channel iron to drive it on and park it on, so it doesn't drop through
>the wood.  I thought someone would recognize it and know the model.
>Thanks.
>
>Ron Haskell



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jul  4 00:12:40 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 17:12:40 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Another IHC LB Running
References: <9.47399bbd.2ffa130e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <04db01c5806a$645073d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Hey Francis, it doesnt matter what the restoration engine is, rare or 
common, the feeling on getting it done and making sweet music is something 
that cannot be explained to the 'Others' who aint in the hobby.
I suppose its like scoring a goal or whatever in them 'Ballgames'  , but the 
enjoyment goes on longer. VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 2:20 PM
Subject: [SEL] Another IHC LB Running


Hi List,
My latest project -- another IHC LB is now running correctly after  I 
finally
figured out what was wrong with the governor control.  There was  an
interference between the head and the governor control rod.  Before  getting 
rid of
this interference, the engine operated at a fast RPM and its  speed could 
not be
changed.
This engine arrived at my shop in a semi basket  condition -- head
disassembled, oiling line off, piston and rod  rusted, rocker arm and shaft 
rusted,
block caked in old oil, and the hopper  full of debris.  The head was in a 
very
poor condition.  New valves  were remanufactured from old valves.  The head
seats had to be  resurfaced.  Replacement valve stem oiling felts were 
fabricated
from material obtained at a hobby shop.  Push rods, rocker arms and shaft
were cleaned.  New oil wicking was made from two pieces of string cut  from 
my
wife's string mop.  The shaft of the throttle control valve in  the head was
frozen and had to be replaced.  The replacement shaft  was made from some ?"
square brass tubing and 3/16" rod silver solder  together.  A new head 
gasket was
made from a piece of material left over  from another uncompleted engine
project.
A replacement gasoline tank was purchased from Hit-n-Miss  Enterprises.  A
new ?" copper gasoline feed line using the old check  valve assembly was
fabricated.  A bronze ball was used in this  assembly along with new bronze 
strainer
screen.  A new compensating valve  disc was made from a fender washer.  The
old compensating valve spring was  also replaced.  The choke shaft and 
spring
were replace.  New home  made gaskets were used during reassembly of the
compensator valve assembly and  mixer.
The cylinder bore was in a very sad condition.  A good  honing remedied this
problem.  A replacement connecting rod and piston  along with a set of new
rings were installed.
A replacement crank handle spring and pin was installed in the  flywheel.
The head of the crank handle pin was slightly mushroomed so that  friction 
would
hold this pin in place.  I didn't know that there was a  small hole at the
bottom of pin hole which allowed the use of a small punch to  drive out the 
pin.
 I did it the hard way by drilling and tapping the old  pin in order to
remove it.
In addition of a new high tension wire, the magneto only need a  good
cleaning and set of new gaskets.  An engine stop switch was fabricated  and 
installed
on the magneto to stop the engine.  Strangely, the old spark  plug seems to
work after only being wire brushed.
There is a small oil leak in the side plate which still has to  be 
addressed.
I would to thank everyone who very kindly replied to my inquiries  and
questions, helped me understand how this engine was oiled, and provided 
suggestions
how to overcome various problems

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA


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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jul  4 02:19:20 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon,  4 Jul 2005 05:19:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Ackroyd Question
Message-ID: <1120468760.42c8ff18e3ebe@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

I was perusing a Spring 2002 issue of Vaporising in the French's "reading room"
and ran across the following bit in an article on restoring an 1895 split frame
(girder frame) Hornsby Ackroyd engine, 12-1/2 hp.

"The piston itself was about 12 inches across and was constructed with removable
top lands for servicing the rings.  You just undo four bolts and remove the top
land, then a ring, and then so on down the piston."

OK, that's pretty wierd, but also pretty interesting.

Does anyone have any more info (like pictures) of this setup?  ISTR that some of
the blokes in Oz have these girder frame Hornsby Ackroyds.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
(currently of Kibworth-Harcourt)
fero_ah at city-net.com


From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Mon Jul  4 04:04:57 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 21:04:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Another IHC LB Running
References: <9.47399bbd.2ffa130e@aol.com>
	<04db01c5806a$645073d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <001f01c58088$36fd3a80$e7a7ecdc@morris>

Well done Francis and well said Reg

Kerry


> Hey Francis, it doesnt matter what the restoration engine is, rare or 
> common, the feeling on getting it done and making sweet music is something 
> that cannot be explained to the 'Others' who aint in the hobby.
> I suppose its like scoring a goal or whatever in them 'Ballgames'  , but 
> the enjoyment goes on longer. VBG
> Reg 



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From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 13:02:36
Subject: [SEL] Independance Day
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050704130236.009e8c98@127.0.0.1>

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From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Jul  4 04:41:24 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 21:41:24 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Underwood (OZ)
In-Reply-To: <000c01c57fbc$ba371b40$e7a7ecdc@morris>
References: <000501c57ed8$fa6536a0$0abaa4cb@fred>
	<6f6025160507022321734c53d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050704213827.00b27190@mail.ncable.com.au>

G'day Kerry
Mate there was an article in a past TOMM on the very engine. Not sure what 
issue but was about 3 years ago. My brother inlaw has one which he will 
most likely do nothing with. Could send some pics if needed. They were made 
in Melbourne; I think the same company made marine engines also.
Russell

At 08:48 PM 3/07/2005 +1000, you wrote:
>G'Day All
>
>There was a Underwood engine at the National much like a ronny N does 
>anyone know where Underwoods were made.
>
>Thanks
>
>Kerry
>
>Lithgow NSW OZ
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Mon Jul  4 05:38:27 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 22:38:27 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cooper Coffee Pot anyone?
Message-ID: <42C92DC3.3060200@steamengine.com.au>

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11752&item=7527342482&rd=1
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Mon Jul  4 06:16:43 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:16:43 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Underwood now Goldfields  (OZ)
References: <000501c57ed8$fa6536a0$0abaa4cb@fred><6f6025160507022321734c53d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20050704213827.00b27190@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <003d01c5809a$9f4deb90$e7a7ecdc@morris>

Thanks David and Russell

Been through dozens of TOMMS looking for OZ engine data not seen Underwood 
will look HARDER.
Now where was Goldfields built ?

Thanks again for you help, will release OZ engine web site soon




> G'day Kerry
> Mate there was an article in a past TOMM on the very engine. Not sure what 
> issue but was about 3 years ago. My brother inlaw has one which he will 
> most likely do nothing with. Could send some pics if needed. They were 
> made in Melbourne; I think the same company made marine engines also.
> Russell
>
> At 08:48 PM 3/07/2005 +1000, you wrote:
>>G'Day All
>>
>>There was a Underwood engine at the National much like a ronny N does 
>>anyone know where Underwoods were made.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Kerry
>>
>>Lithgow NSW OZ
>>_______________________________________________
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>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Jul  4 06:48:50 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:48:50 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Another IHC LB Running
Message-ID: <141.48990152.2ffa9842@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/4/2005 12:57:40 AM Pacific Standard Time,  
randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes:

Hey  Francis, it doesnt matter what the restoration engine is, rare or 
common,  the feeling on getting it done and making sweet music is something 
that  cannot be explained to the 'Others' who aint in the  hobby.


Thanks.
Yes, it is a thrill when an old pile rusty metal comes back to  life.  This 
engine starts quickly just as the operator's manual describes  -- hold the 
choke down for two revolutions, release the choke, continue to crank  (usually two 
revoutions) until engine starts.  This engine starts very  slowly and it 
seems it takes a little time for it to come up to speed.  It  operates smoothly.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Jul  4 06:49:51 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:49:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Another IHC LB Running
Message-ID: <84.48c8a1de.2ffa987f@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/4/2005 4:34:05 AM Pacific Standard Time,  
ozengine at optusnet.com.au writes:

Well  done Francis and well said Reg


Thanks,  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jul  4 06:51:00 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:51:00 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Ackroyd Question
In-Reply-To: <1120468760.42c8ff18e3ebe@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050704135038.VDMY21584.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Hi Arnie,
	I will check with my sources as to the construction of the Akroyd
pistons as I have never seen an Akroyd piston out of the engine. 
I have seen the piston out of a very large, very early Crossley. This piston
came apart to allow the rings to be removed. A very strange but workable
design.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

Hi Folks,

I was perusing a Spring 2002 issue of Vaporising in the French's "reading
room"
and ran across the following bit in an article on restoring an 1895 split
frame
(girder frame) Hornsby Ackroyd engine, 12-1/2 hp.

"The piston itself was about 12 inches across and was constructed with
removable
top lands for servicing the rings.  You just undo four bolts and remove the
top
land, then a ring, and then so on down the piston."

OK, that's pretty wierd, but also pretty interesting.

Does anyone have any more info (like pictures) of this setup?  ISTR that
some of
the blokes in Oz have these girder frame Hornsby Ackroyds.

See ya,  Arnie




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jul  4 06:55:01 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:55:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Another IHC LB Running
In-Reply-To: <9.47399bbd.2ffa130e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050704135439.UQTX19806.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Always great to hear of another engine coming to life. Congratulations.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----

Hi List,
My latest project -- another IHC LB is now running correctly after  I
finally 
figured out what was wrong with the governor control.  
I would to thank everyone who very kindly replied to my inquiries  and 
questions, helped me understand how this engine was oiled, and provided
suggestions 
how to overcome various problems.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA






From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jul  4 06:59:05 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:59:05 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Underwood now Goldfields  (OZ)
In-Reply-To: <003d01c5809a$9f4deb90$e7a7ecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <20050704135844.USJT19806.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Golfields built by Goldfields Diamond Drilling Co. of Sturt St. South
Melbourne. Supposedly there was only 24 built.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----)

Thanks David and Russell

Been through dozens of TOMMS looking for OZ engine data not seen Underwood 
will look HARDER.
Now where was Goldfields built ?

Thanks again for you help, will release OZ engine web site soon



From rexhinz at chorus.net  Mon Jul  4 07:17:35 2005
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:17:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Another IHC LB Running
References: <9.47399bbd.2ffa130e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001001c580a3$22c6b6c0$6286a5d8@mycomputer>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>

Hi List,
My latest project -- another IHC LB is now running correctly after  I
finally
figured out what was wrong with the governor control.   (SNIP)

     Hi Francis and All ;

        I have a 1-1/2 hp LA , my first engine , it  looked like one piece
of rusty iron , I had to sleeve it and build the complete govoner rod system
,
after around $500 (much more then the engine will ever be worth) and many
hours labor and brain over loads it was running just like a Hit Miss engine
,
when it fires it sends a neat smoke ring into the air , I have had other
engine displayers ask me what I did to make it blow such neat rings, the
answer ,
I don't know but I'm not going to change it ,  The feeling you get when you
make an old hunk of Iron come back to life must is almost better then sex or
a can
of Ole Milwaulee(almost) , I now have around ten engines much older then the
La all running but when I start the LA the thrill is revisited. I love all
engines
wheather its an La or a 15 HP IHC , I am now working on a Cushman Cub  a
common engine but just as neat as the LA


Rex Hinz


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From nick at holden1.net  Mon Jul  4 07:58:30 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 15:58:30 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] Astle Park
References: <ff.16b0b72e.2ff937ba@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42C94E96.000001.03456@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Hi Tom yes its the only one i have seen and i want one !!!!!! 


 
Nick Holden
Banbury 
Oxfordshire (UK)
SKYPE nickholden1
nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Germoamer at aol.com
Date: 07/03/05 14:03:16
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Astle Park
 
In a message dated 6/27/2005 11:42:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
nick at holden1.net writes:
 
<< just back from a very good day out at Astle Park rally >>
 
 
Nick,
 
Thanks for sharing the photo's.  Beautiful 1/2 New Holland.  I would assume
a
rare bird over there?
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
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From chesnimnus at juno.com  Mon Jul  4 13:51:01 2005
From: chesnimnus at juno.com (Colin M Rush)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 13:51:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] IHC Model 55 Hay Baler parts wanted
Message-ID: <20050704.135101.3800.0.chesnimnus@juno.com>

Hello,
        I have a friend that is looking for some parts for the engine
unit used on the Model 55-T or Model 55-W Hay Baler made by International
Harvester.  This has a 113 CID gas engine, and looks virtually identical
to a Farmall A except it is less the wheels and transmission, and has
different sheet metal and a belt drive unit on the rear.  We are near
Portland, Oregon.

He needs, in any condition:

radiator;
grille (looks different than a Farmall, is taller and looks like a
homemade sheetmetal box with screen);
spark arrestor (does not use a muffler with raincap like the Farmalls),
this is the pipe from from the manifold up;
air cleaner assembly (the main assembly is identical to a Farmall A, but
it has a different precleaner, but that is still available new);
front crank (may or may not be the same as a Farmall A);
rear crank (to fit the belt drive unit)
rear crank nut (this is the part the crank pin engages, fits onto the
drive shaft, someone took it off long ago);
top and side sheet metal cowlings or fairings;
oil filler breather cap (I believe this is the same as Farmall A, and
there should be a yellow decal near the base);
governor rod (this is the one between the carb and the arm off of the
governor, this is still available new);
hour meter with associated mounting panel and wiring (this was an
optional item, and is mounted on the right {passenger} side of the motor
on the bellhousing);
and generator brackets (both the one on the block and the one on the
water pump, I believe this is the same as Farmall A);
and that is all for now.

Also, if you have one of these units, and it still has the decals, I
would like to get some photos of the decals.  The parts book shows this
as being devoid of decals except for one, and ours has a bunch that are
not in the pictures, but is missing the one that is.  

If you have any of this stuff, drop me a line with your e-mail address or
phone number, and I will forward it onto him, and he can contact you. 
Thanks in advance for your help.

-Colin Rush


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Jul  4 15:24:35 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:24:35 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Astle Park
Message-ID: <b8.75c1051b.2ffb1123@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/4/2005 2:09:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
nick at holden1.net writes:

<< Hi Tom yes its the only one i have seen and i want one !!!!!!  >>


Nick,

I am the lucky owner of one, check it out.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Jul  4 15:30:44 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:30:44 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Another IHC LB Running
Message-ID: <97.62bf68a6.2ffb1294@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/4/2005 12:48:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
FRM8198 at aol.com writes:

<< There was  an 
 interference between the head and the governor control rod >>


Francis,

Always a great feeling to solve a problem.  Enjoyed reading about what all 
you did to restore the engine to running condition!  I have a 3-5 LA that I took 
off a stationary hay baler that has the large capacity dust collector.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jul  4 15:39:49 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 08:39:49 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Astle Park
References: <ff.16b0b72e.2ff937ba@aol.com>
	<42C94E96.000001.03456@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
Message-ID: <004701c580ea$d866de50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I hope you have lots of money.
They are regularly fetchingUS$13000 +
I have a half and a quarter size model.  Cannot get the 1/4 size to run 
though.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "nick" <nick at holden1.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Astle Park


Hi Tom yes its the only one i have seen and i want one !!!!!!



Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
SKYPE nickholden1
nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
-------Original Message-------

From: Germoamer at aol.com
Date: 07/03/05 14:03:16
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Astle Park

In a message dated 6/27/2005 11:42:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
nick at holden1.net writes:

<< just back from a very good day out at Astle Park rally >>


Nick,

Thanks for sharing the photo's.  Beautiful 1/2 New Holland.  I would assume
a
rare bird over there?

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jul  4 18:03:31 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:03:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Forklift update
Message-ID: <20050704.180331.1208.5.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
Today I went and got the Hyster forklift.  Drove it on the trailer,
didn't seem too much weight.  The owner removed two counter weights and
we put them in the pickup.  300 mile round trip, with no excitement like
yesterdays try. (I'll explain that later)
The ID number is:  B1D 8550P.  Does that mean anything to anyone?
Picture at:

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=72181642&Sequ
ence=0&res=high

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Mon Jul  4 20:21:58 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 20:21:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Forklift update
References: <20050704.180331.1208.5.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <01fa01c58110$b54f2550$cc4c6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

You look like a natural born forklift driver, I see a great future for you 
in retirement.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 6:03 PM
Subject: [SEL] Forklift update


Hi all.
Today I went and got the Hyster forklift.  Drove it on the trailer,
didn't seem too much weight.  The owner removed two counter weights and
we put them in the pickup.  300 mile round trip, with no excitement like
yesterdays try. (I'll explain that later)
The ID number is:  B1D 8550P.  Does that mean anything to anyone?
Picture at:

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=72181642&Sequ
ence=0&res=high

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jul  4 22:08:14 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 22:08:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] First forklift attempt
Message-ID: <20050704.220814.1208.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all
This is the story of Sunday's attempt to retrieve the forklift from
Tehachapi CA.  Delete now in you are not interested.

I left home about 8:30 AM. topped off with Diesel, went about three
blocks and stopped for a left turn.  I should tell you I drive a '94
Dodge Diesel 4x4.   The light turns green, I run through second gear, go
into third and the engine spins freely, try fourth and nothing.  A string
of cars behind me is backing up and to my right is another line also
making the lift turn.  I put it in four wheel drive and made it over to
the right shoulder.
I get out and expect to see the rear drive shaft on the ground, but there
was no sound.  The first thing I notice is the left rear tire is sticking
out about a foot more than it should, and gear oil is dripping on the
ground.  The nut holding the bearings on the spindle had backed off, the
tire,hub, brake drum, and axle had all come out of the housing.  I jacked
it up and pushed it part way back in, but the brake shoes wouldn't go
back in  the drum.

For a minute I considered fixing it there, but the steady stream of cars
and trucks whizzing by made me reconsider.  I called my friendly tow
company to haul the truck and another friend to get the trailer.

Back at home after much cleaning I found that the small metal clip that
is driven into the plastic insert of the retaining nut had come loose and
was laying pulverized in the hub.  A new set of brake shoes,  axle seal,
three hours cleaning and chasing parts and I was back on the road.

Not exactly what I had planned, but it could have been a lot worse.  Like
breaking down 150 miles from home instead of 2.  Or having the wheel come
off on a curve at speed with the forklift on the trailer.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Jul  4 22:17:56 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:17:56 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT..Sheep Warning
Message-ID: <001801c58120$ecc00170$289081cb@ogborneuah38i3>

While driving the 400 km home to Albany today i heard on the radio a warning 
for sheep farmers . Now this could be because it is cold or perhaps there 
are some New Zealanders in the district !!
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Jul  4 21:25:23 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 21:25:23
Subject: [SEL] Paxman Ricardo find
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050704212523.009c2b70@127.0.0.1>

Hi All,
	Have a look at our latest find. A Paxman Ricardo RQ 3 cylinder diesel. Any
info appreciated.

www.oldengine.org/members/evans/rp.htm
Best regards
Jerry Evans.
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Jul  4 22:23:17 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:23:17 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Latest installment of the Ruston PB3 - Tearing it down...
References: <42C663C5.1050205@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <000201c5812e$d53caf90$8a9881cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Paul ....do you have the original exhaust ? I have the same engine although 
it is the Sandovers version. It was minus the exhaust but i good friend now 
deceased had the pattern and had one cast for me.
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Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 5:52 PM
Subject: [SEL] Latest installment of the Ruston PB3 - Tearing it down...


> If you're interested in this story - here is the next installment.
>
> http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/rh-pb3/teardown.html
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Paul
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From paul at semidiesel.com  Tue Jul  5 00:22:14 2005
From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 08:22:14 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Paxman Ricardo find
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20050704212523.009c2b70@127.0.0.1>
References: <3.0.6.32.20050704212523.009c2b70@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <42CA3526.5010106@semidiesel.com>

Jerry Evans wrote:

>Hi All,
>	Have a look at our latest find. A Paxman Ricardo RQ 3 cylinder diesel. Any
>info appreciated.
>  
>
Hi Jerry,
Quite a rare lump.

Local guy here has a 4 cylinder and we just passed him the name of a guy 
with a manual and parts list.

I'l try and organise a copy and scan it.

Paul

Internal Fire Museum of Power
Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, Uk

http://www.internalfire.com


From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  5 01:41:51 2005
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 18:41:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Underwood now Goldfields (OZ)
In-Reply-To: <003d01c5809a$9f4deb90$e7a7ecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <BAY14-F17AA147C73C3F8A118CFABBAE60@phx.gbl>

Hi Kerry to save you looking underwood article in issue 80 of tomm. Dave

>From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Underwood now Goldfields  (OZ)
>Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:16:43 +1000
>
>Thanks David and Russell
>
>Been through dozens of TOMMS looking for OZ engine data not seen Underwood 
>will look HARDER.
>Now where was Goldfields built ?
>
>Thanks again for you help, will release OZ engine web site soon
>
>
>
>
>>G'day Kerry
>>Mate there was an article in a past TOMM on the very engine. Not sure what 
>>issue but was about 3 years ago. My brother inlaw has one which he will 
>>most likely do nothing with. Could send some pics if needed. They were 
>>made in Melbourne; I think the same company made marine engines also.
>>Russell
>>
>>At 08:48 PM 3/07/2005 +1000, you wrote:
>>>G'Day All
>>>
>>>There was a Underwood engine at the National much like a ronny N does 
>>>anyone know where Underwoods were made.
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>Kerry
>>>
>>>Lithgow NSW OZ
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>>
>>Russell Gilbert
>>Sunny Sunraysia
>>russell at ncable.com.au
>>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
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From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jul  5 05:34:41 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 08:34:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Underwood now Goldfields  (OZ)
In-Reply-To: <20050704135844.USJT19806.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20050704135844.USJT19806.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <42CA7E61.6080209@imc-group.com>

Patrick,
Like this one we saw at Narracoorte?
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Australia2005%20283.jpg>

Didn't realize it was such a rare bird!
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

>Golfields built by Goldfields Diamond Drilling Co. of Sturt St. South
>Melbourne. Supposedly there was only 24 built.
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>-----Original Message-----)
>
>Thanks David and Russell
>
>Been through dozens of TOMMS looking for OZ engine data not seen Underwood 
>will look HARDER.
>Now where was Goldfields built ?
>
>Thanks again for you help, will release OZ engine web site soon
>
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>
>
>  
>



From rholtzer at earthlink.net  Tue Jul  5 07:12:52 2005
From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 07:12:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] First forklift attempt
In-Reply-To: <20050704.220814.1208.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20050705071227.00c412e8@mail.earthlink.net>

Bummer!  Glad it wasn't worse.

Bob Holtzer

At 10:08 PM 7/4/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi all
>This is the story of Sunday's attempt to retrieve the forklift from
>Tehachapi CA.  Delete now in you are not interested.
>
>I left home about 8:30 AM. topped off with Diesel, went about three
>blocks and stopped for a left turn.  I should tell you I drive a '94
>Dodge Diesel 4x4.   The light turns green, I run through second gear, go
>into third and the engine spins freely, try fourth and nothing.  A string
>of cars behind me is backing up and to my right is another line also
>making the lift turn.  I put it in four wheel drive and made it over to
>the right shoulder.
>I get out and expect to see the rear drive shaft on the ground, but there
>was no sound.  The first thing I notice is the left rear tire is sticking
>out about a foot more than it should, and gear oil is dripping on the
>ground.  The nut holding the bearings on the spindle had backed off, the
>tire,hub, brake drum, and axle had all come out of the housing.  I jacked
>it up and pushed it part way back in, but the brake shoes wouldn't go
>back in  the drum.
>
>For a minute I considered fixing it there, but the steady stream of cars
>and trucks whizzing by made me reconsider.  I called my friendly tow
>company to haul the truck and another friend to get the trailer.
>
>Back at home after much cleaning I found that the small metal clip that
>is driven into the plastic insert of the retaining nut had come loose and
>was laying pulverized in the hub.  A new set of brake shoes,  axle seal,
>three hours cleaning and chasing parts and I was back on the road.
>
>Not exactly what I had planned, but it could have been a lot worse.  Like
>breaking down 150 miles from home instead of 2.  Or having the wheel come
>off on a curve at speed with the forklift on the trailer.
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California
>USA
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Jul  5 08:07:15 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 11:07:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] First forklift attempt
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20050705071227.00c412e8@mail.earthlink.net>
References: <4.2.2.20050705071227.00c412e8@mail.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <42CAA223.2050902@scrtc.com>

Ron,

    We've all had some "special moments" while getting the old iron or 
things associated with it.  Thank goodness your's was one with a happy 
ending.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY 


>
>> Hi all
>> This is the story of Sunday's attempt to retrieve the forklift from
>> Tehachapi CA.  Delete now in you are not interested.
>>
>> I left home about 8:30 AM. topped off with Diesel, went about three
>> blocks and stopped for a left turn.  I should tell you I drive a '94
>> Dodge Diesel 4x4.   The light turns green, I run through second gear, go
>> into third and the engine spins freely, try fourth and nothing.  A 
>> string
>> of cars behind me is backing up and to my right is another line also
>> making the lift turn.  I put it in four wheel drive and made it over to
>> the right shoulder.
>> I get out and expect to see the rear drive shaft on the ground, but 
>> there
>> was no sound.  The first thing I notice is the left rear tire is 
>> sticking
>> out about a foot more than it should, and gear oil is dripping on the
>> ground.  The nut holding the bearings on the spindle had backed off, the
>> tire,hub, brake drum, and axle had all come out of the housing.  I 
>> jacked
>> it up and pushed it part way back in, but the brake shoes wouldn't go
>> back in  the drum.
>>
>> For a minute I considered fixing it there, but the steady stream of cars
>> and trucks whizzing by made me reconsider.  I called my friendly tow
>> company to haul the truck and another friend to get the trailer.
>>
>> Back at home after much cleaning I found that the small metal clip that
>> is driven into the plastic insert of the retaining nut had come loose 
>> and
>> was laying pulverized in the hub.  A new set of brake shoes,  axle seal,
>> three hours cleaning and chasing parts and I was back on the road.
>>
>> Not exactly what I had planned, but it could have been a lot worse.  
>> Like
>> breaking down 150 miles from home instead of 2.  Or having the wheel 
>> come
>> off on a curve at speed with the forklift on the trailer.
>>
>> Ron Haskell
>> rdhaskell at juno.com
>> Riverside, California
>> USA
>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jul  5 08:43:27 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 08:43:27 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FW: From Pete Lowe
Message-ID: <200507051543.j65FhhAL079061@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>



Hi all
Is anyone going to this auction 
http://www.nixonauctioneers.com/listings/jorgensen.html  Hampton, Iowa, 
September 17, 2005

If so could you please find out who buys the R&V Easy Cooler engine #BS7208 
and pass on their details to me.

Regards
Peter Lowe
International R&V Registrar
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm 





From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  5 08:56:50 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 15:56:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures from June 25
Message-ID: <BAY103-F36402DF9FA5C915B89E499C8E60@phx.gbl>

Some very interestings items were on display at the Gilmore Car Museum in 
Hickory Corners, Michigan.  Hope you enjoy looking at them.........

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/kzoo05/kzoo05.html

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From nick at holden1.net  Tue Jul  5 11:28:36 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 19:28:36 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] Astle Park
References: <b8.75c1051b.2ffb1123@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42CAD154.000001.00560@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Hi Tom nice looking engine but if Reg is right about the price then
........... i can live without one
Nick 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Germoamer at aol.com
Date: 07/04/05 23:42:06
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Astle Park
 
In a message dated 7/4/2005 2:09:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
nick at holden1.net writes:
 
<< Hi Tom yes its the only one i have seen and i want one !!!!!!  >>
 
 
Nick,
 
I am the lucky owner of one, check it out.
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Tue Jul  5 12:37:13 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 21:37:13 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Big Yellow Bible reprint.
Message-ID: <000701c58198$f5125a80$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Good news for old iron lovers.

http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi/noframes/read/31015


John H.



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  5 13:34:28 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:34:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] First forklift attempt
In-Reply-To: <20050704.220814.1208.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F57D8A0A414D5E0C7CD4E695E60@phx.gbl>

Wow Ron, That sounds like my luck. When I picked up my International saw 
rig, I couldn't get it loaded until almost dark. I started home and less 
than five miles one trailer tire blew, before I could get off the road to a 
safe place the other one blew!  I spent the best part of that evening trying 
to find spares and  getting them put on in the dark. steve

>From: rdhaskell at juno.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com, at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>Subject: [SEL] First forklift attempt
>Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 22:08:14 -0700
>
>Hi all
>This is the story of Sunday's attempt to retrieve the forklift from
>Tehachapi CA.  Delete now in you are not interested.
>
>I left home about 8:30 AM. topped off with Diesel, went about three
>blocks and stopped for a left turn.  I should tell you I drive a '94
>Dodge Diesel 4x4.   The light turns green, I run through second gear, go
>into third and the engine spins freely, try fourth and nothing.  A string
>of cars behind me is backing up and to my right is another line also
>making the lift turn.  I put it in four wheel drive and made it over to
>the right shoulder.
>I get out and expect to see the rear drive shaft on the ground, but there
>was no sound.  The first thing I notice is the left rear tire is sticking
>out about a foot more than it should, and gear oil is dripping on the
>ground.  The nut holding the bearings on the spindle had backed off, the
>tire,hub, brake drum, and axle had all come out of the housing.  I jacked
>it up and pushed it part way back in, but the brake shoes wouldn't go
>back in  the drum.
>
>For a minute I considered fixing it there, but the steady stream of cars
>and trucks whizzing by made me reconsider.  I called my friendly tow
>company to haul the truck and another friend to get the trailer.
>
>Back at home after much cleaning I found that the small metal clip that
>is driven into the plastic insert of the retaining nut had come loose and
>was laying pulverized in the hub.  A new set of brake shoes,  axle seal,
>three hours cleaning and chasing parts and I was back on the road.
>
>Not exactly what I had planned, but it could have been a lot worse.  Like
>breaking down 150 miles from home instead of 2.  Or having the wheel come
>off on a curve at speed with the forklift on the trailer.
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California
>USA
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Jul  5 23:41:00 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 23:41:00
Subject: [SEL] Paxman Ricardo find
In-Reply-To: <200507051000.j65A08pk010053@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050705234100.009c7a30@127.0.0.1>

Thanks Paul that would be great
Regards
Jerry

>Message: 23
>Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 08:22:14 +0100
>From: Paul Evans <paul at semidiesel.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Paxman Ricardo find
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
>Jerry Evans wrote:
>
>>Hi All,
>>	Have a look at our latest find. A Paxman Ricardo RQ 3 cylinder diesel. Any
>>info appreciated.
>>  
>>
>Hi Jerry,
>Quite a rare lump.
>
>Local guy here has a 4 cylinder and we just passed him the name of a guy 
>with a manual and parts list.
>
>I'l try and organise a copy and scan it.
>
>Paul
>
>Internal Fire Museum of Power
>Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, Uk
>
>http://www.internalfire.com

Best regards
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From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Jul  5 14:46:50 2005
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 22:46:50 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Astle Park
References: <b8.75c1051b.2ffb1123@aol.com>
	<42CAD154.000001.00560@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
Message-ID: <004801c581ab$0f84cf80$2a9b2f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi, Nick ,
My mate has just bought a 3 hp at a sale in the US . It now completes his 
set which is a 1/2 hp , a 1 1/2 hp , a 1 1/2 hp high base , a 2 hp , a 3hp , 
a 4 hp & a 5 hp.  Would you say he is a lucky guy or what.

See ya , Craig in Scotland
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "nick" <nick at holden1.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Astle Park


Hi Tom nice looking engine but if Reg is right about the price then
........... i can live without one
Nick

-------Original Message-------

From: Germoamer at aol.com
Date: 07/04/05 23:42:06
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Astle Park

In a message dated 7/4/2005 2:09:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
nick at holden1.net writes:

<< Hi Tom yes its the only one i have seen and i want one !!!!!!  >>


Nick,

I am the lucky owner of one, check it out.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Jul  5 14:54:10 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:54:10 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Astle Park
Message-ID: <7a.76aba499.2ffc5b82@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/4/2005 7:22:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes:

<< Cannot get the 1/4 size to run 
 though. >>


Reg,

No sense keeping something that will not run.  Send it over here and I will 
display it beside mine!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Jul  5 16:29:48 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:29:48 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Fw: scrap metal drive in Australia
Message-ID: <003701c581b9$73e09c80$f39f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>





>I recently posted something about Smorgons scrap metal drive in Australia. 
>I had a call from a farmer the other day . He has arranged for Smorgons to 
>collect his scrap metal from the farm in a months time. He has invited me 
>to look over the scrap heap first and take anything that i think is of 
>value.
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  5 17:59:08 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:59:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Trailer Safety
In-Reply-To: <20050704.220814.1208.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20050706005908.14522.qmail@web31308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello Folks,

I just had to tell y'all 'bout what happened to me last Friday at work.
Thursday evening I hooked up my big trailer to my 1991 Dodge D250 with the Cummins turbo diesel.
I drove it to work on Friday to pick up a stack of 5' X 12' pallets that I am grabbing lumber from
to build a shed.  When I left and drove home all seemed fine until I got to my yard and hit an
uneven spot and the trailer felt wrong.

I got out and saw the insert was gone from my hitch and I had pulled the trailer home on the
safely crossed safety chains.  Being a heavy, two axle trailer with a hitch that is the same
height as the bumper it had pulled great on level road. The trucks loud diesel engine & stiff
suspension seemed to cover up any little bumps from the trailer at starts & stops.

We jumped into our mini-van and traced my path back to work and didn't find the insert so I went
and bought another one plus a locking pin for a total of just over $87.

I came home and put it on the truck and used a pipewrench to attach the new ball.  I went to toss
the pipewrench into the truck and it landed on the very same insert that some jerk had removed
from my hitch!!!!  It still had the pin and it's clip with it too!!!!

What I am having trouple with is WHY!!!!
Why go to all the trouble of removing it then just throw it on the floor in my truck,,,,

I can see where they lifted the tounge off the hitch with a forklift.  That would have made it
easy to pop the hitch out.  They buggered the release lever on the tounge a bit too.  The new
hitch will stay put with it's locking pin plus I will straighten out the bent release lever and
start locking it too.

I have nailed down the most likely suspect and have a good plan of attack for tomorrow to confront
him.  He was the best suspect and today he was the only one that I talked to about it that was
always looking away when he said anything about it or I made point that hit home.

This seems to be just an attempt to cause me major trouble.  A very stupid attempt.  The trailer
and it's load weighed close to 4000 pounds.  If that monster had come loose into traffic it would
have been deadly.  Then it would have been the police asked questions at work.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan

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From transteck at earthlink.net  Tue Jul  5 19:25:33 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 20:25:33 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw: scrap metal drive in Australia
In-Reply-To: <003701c581b9$73e09c80$f39f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <003701c581b9$73e09c80$f39f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <42CB411D.6090504@earthlink.net>

So you will now shit or get off the pot Peter. It's now been offered to 
you before the scrap man gets a chance. Nuff said.

Jeff Allen

peter ogborne wrote:

>
>
>
>
>> I recently posted something about Smorgons scrap metal drive in 
>> Australia. I had a call from a farmer the other day . He has arranged 
>> for Smorgons to collect his scrap metal from the farm in a months 
>> time. He has invited me to look over the scrap heap first and take 
>> anything that i think is of value.
>> Peter Ogborne
>> Little Grove ,Albany
>> West Australia
>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>> jopeter at omninet.net.au 
>
>
>
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>
>



From transteck at earthlink.net  Tue Jul  5 19:35:54 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 20:35:54 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Museum Photos
Message-ID: <42CB438A.50403@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

I had the opportunity to visit a newly opened collection today. Heard 
stories for some time and what a pleasure. The collection does exist, 
and is now open to the public on a limited basis. I was told half of the 
collection is on display, and the other half is not. Well worth a visit 
if you are in the area, but I have put it online for all of you. Some 
fuzzy signs, but most came out good. Layout does require high speed 
connection or patience.

Enjoy at:
http://oldirongallery.com/Cussler/Cussler.html

Jeff Allen





From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  5 20:07:37 2005
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 13:07:37 +1000
Subject: [SEL] igniter
Message-ID: <BAY14-F347274BEA07191AF4E9ECBAD90@phx.gbl>

Hi All, trying to find out what engine this igniter fits. It has part no 
AJ717A on it ,any imfo would be much apprieciated. Dave

_________________________________________________________________
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From christison at coastalnet.com  Tue Jul  5 20:36:35 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 23:36:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] igniter
Message-ID: <410-2200573633635656@coastalnet.com>


Hi Dave,

If you don't get a positive ID from the number, you might
check out Ted Brookover's igniter page at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm

Take care.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: David Nicolson <dnicolson40 at hotmail.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 7/5/2005 11:07:37 PM
> Subject: [SEL] igniter
>
> Hi All, trying to find out what engine this igniter fits. It has part no 
> AJ717A on it ,any imfo would be much apprieciated. Dave





From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 22:04:53 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 06:04:53 +0100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Trailer Safety
In-Reply-To: <20050706005908.14522.qmail@web31308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20050704.220814.1208.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<20050706005908.14522.qmail@web31308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605070522041933ff36@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/6/05, Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello Folks,
> 
> I just had to tell y'all 'bout what happened to me last Friday at work.

<snipped>

Scary stuff indeed!

Our towballs are forged with integral mounting flanges, and have two
bolts on them to hold to the tow bar, so normally you can see
immediately if the tow hitch is loose, but we also have the hitches
that can be a pin type with a ball on the top of the pin if you know
what I mean, and these are the only sort that are quickly removeable.

The other feature that is useful on the trailer end of the hitch is an
integral lock in the hitch head, which means that you need a key to
hitch or unhitch the trailer. Still keep it chained to a tree in the
garden though! :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From gibsongus at myway.com  Tue Jul  5 22:14:23 2005
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Wed,  6 Jul 2005 01:14:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
Message-ID: <20050706051423.A0C473989@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 Ron my computer puts up the ebson page but it says picture not avaible??-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Mon 07/04, &lt; rdhaskell at juno.com &gt; wrote:
From: [mailto: rdhaskell at juno.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 22:08:36 -0700Subject: Re: [SEL] Forklift questionThat's where I found it Jim.Ron Haskellrdhaskell at juno.comRiverside, CaliforniaUSAhttp://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&amp;f=0On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:15:43 -0700 "Jim O'Hagan" writes:&gt; Hi Ron, Is it the same one listed in the Wait classifieds? Jimmy&gt; &gt; Jim O'Hagan_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jul  5 23:11:41 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 23:11:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT Museum Photos
In-Reply-To: <42CB438A.50403@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200507060611.j666Btcu048579@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

> I had the opportunity to visit a newly opened collection today. Heard 
> stories for some time and what a pleasure. The collection does exist, 


Wow Jeff!  That is one impressive collection of iron. 

Thanks!
Rob

P.S.
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jul  6 01:39:27 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:39:27 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Fw: scrap metal drive in Australia
References: <003701c581b9$73e09c80$f39f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<42CB411D.6090504@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c58206$3d67e1c0$b39f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

What's your problem mate ,you don't have to try hard to be an arsehole.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: scrap metal drive in Australia


> So you will now shit or get off the pot Peter. It's now been offered to 
> you before the scrap man gets a chance. Nuff said.
> 
> Jeff Allen
> 
> peter ogborne wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I recently posted something about Smorgons scrap metal drive in 
>>> Australia. I had a call from a farmer the other day . He has arranged 
>>> for Smorgons to collect his scrap metal from the farm in a months 
>>> time. He has invited me to look over the scrap heap first and take 
>>> anything that i think is of value.
>>> Peter Ogborne
>>> Little Grove ,Albany
>>> West Australia
>>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>>> jopeter at omninet.net.au 
>>
>>
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From todengine at zoominternet.net  Wed Jul  6 03:14:59 2005
From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 06:14:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Another Large Preserved Rolling Mill Engine
Message-ID: <002c01c58213$912110e0$bbc19a18@pengy>

An often overlooked but preserved large stationary steam engine is the 48" Universal plate mill engine from the US Steel Homestead Works.  It was built around 1898 by Mackintosh Hemphill in Pittsburgh and is a 50" x 60" two cylinder simple reversing engine.  The engine and mill was saved by the Steel Industry Heritage Corp., dismantled and placed in storage in the Pittsburgh area.  Maybe now that Allegheny County has acquired the Carrie blast furnaces this engine and mill may find a home at that site.  

HAER documented the engine and mill in 1989 and the pictures are online at:

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/habs_haer/index.html 

Search for " Homestead 48 Mill ". It should be the second result.

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Heritage Park
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
http://www.todengine.org/
Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine

From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Wed Jul  6 04:00:25 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 21:00:25 +1000
Subject: [SPAM 2.7 (++)] [SEL] O.T. Trailer Safety
In-Reply-To: <20050706005908.14522.qmail@web31308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20050706005908.14522.qmail@web31308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42CBB9C9.6070001@steamengine.com.au>

Any chance he was trying to steal your trailer?

Paul

Alan Bowen wrote:
> Hello Folks,
> 
> I just had to tell y'all 'bout what happened to me last Friday at work.
> 
> I can see where they lifted the tounge off the hitch with a forklift.  That would have made it
> easy to pop the hitch out.  They buggered the release lever on the tounge a bit too.  The new
> hitch will stay put with it's locking pin plus I will straighten out the bent release lever and
> start locking it too.

-- 

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Emerald, Victoria, Australia
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Jul  6 06:33:12 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:33:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
Message-ID: <20050706133246.HKBB5303.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Anyone going to Wauchope this weekend? I may pop up for a look if I have a
rush of blood ;)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From nick at holden1.net  Wed Jul  6 11:48:52 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 19:48:52 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] Astle Park
References: <004801c581ab$0f84cf80$2a9b2f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <42CC2794.000001.03240@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Very
See ya
  The jealous one 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: craig morrison
Date: 07/05/05 23:06:08
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Astle Park
 
Hi, Nick ,
My mate has just bought a 3 hp at a sale in the US . It now completes his
set which is a 1/2 hp , a 1 1/2 hp , a 1 1/2 hp high base , a 2 hp , a 3hp ,
a 4 hp & a 5 hp.  Would you say he is a lucky guy or what.
 
See ya , Craig in Scotland
----- Original Message -----
From: "nick" <nick at holden1.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Astle Park
 
 
Hi Tom nice looking engine but if Reg is right about the price then
............ i can live without one
Nick
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Germoamer at aol.com
Date: 07/04/05 23:42:06
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Astle Park
 
In a message dated 7/4/2005 2:09:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
nick at holden1.net writes:
 
<< Hi Tom yes its the only one i have seen and i want one !!!!!!  >>
 
 
Nick,
 
I am the lucky owner of one, check it out.
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jul  6 13:59:43 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:59:43 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Astle Park
Message-ID: <1e5.3faba64f.2ffda03f@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/5/2005 6:22:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
benzengines at tiscali.co.uk writes:

<< Would you say he is a lucky guy or what. >>

Craig,

I would also say he has plenty of money to spend too!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com




From todengine at zoominternet.net  Wed Jul  6 17:09:55 2005
From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:09:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Casting Filler
Message-ID: <007f01c58288$344caad0$365bef18@pengy>

What material was used for filling imperfections in castings around 1910 or so?  The Tod Engine castings have a filler that is dark grey in color and sort of looks like graphite when I hit it with a wire wheel.  Most of it is flaking off and eventually I will need to refill the castings when I go to do a professional paint job on her.

So what material was the original filler and what would be the material to use today?  Due to the size of these castings and inexpensive nature of bondo that's my first choice. 

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Heritage Park
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
http://www.todengine.org/
Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine!

From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  6 18:11:50 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 18:11:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SPAM 2.7 (++)] [SEL] O.T. Trailer Safety
In-Reply-To: <42CBB9C9.6070001@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <20050707011150.81696.qmail@web31306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Not unless he is more STUPID than he seems to be.
If the truck or trailer was moved 20 feet in any direction it would be covered by one or more of
the security cameras there.

This trailer is a one-of-a-kind home built one so it would be very hard to use it once I had the
police looking for it.

I really do believe this guy is warped enough that he likes to see others hurt in any way.
I was wondering about him that way before this happened.  Some of the things he has said in the
last couple weeks have made me wonder what he will do next,,,,  I guess I found out.

Alan Bowen

--- Paul Pavlinovich <pjp at steamengine.com.au> wrote:

> Any chance he was trying to steal your trailer?
> 
> Paul
> 
> Alan Bowen wrote:
> > Hello Folks,
> > 
> > I just had to tell y'all 'bout what happened to me last Friday at work.
> > 
> > I can see where they lifted the tounge off the hitch with a forklift.  That would have made it
> > easy to pop the hitch out.  They buggered the release lever on the tounge a bit too.  The new
> > hitch will stay put with it's locking pin plus I will straighten out the bent release lever
> and start locking it too.
> 
> -- 
> 
> pjp at steamengine.com.au
> Emerald, Victoria, Australia
> www.steamengine.com.au


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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Jul  6 19:11:53 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 22:11:53 EDT
Subject: [SEL]  New Project -- Need to Identify Engine
Message-ID: <13d.169ec3cc.2ffde969@aol.com>

Hi List,
I am starting to work on engine that belongs to a friend.  He  had used this 
engine to pump water (jack pump) for his cattle.  It  hasn't been in use for 
some time.
We need to identify what kind of engine this is since there is no  name tag.  
The tag that is located on cylinder shroud is stamped with the  following: ZZ 
308171.  Another set of numbers is also stamped in  larger font: 228605.  
Valve clearance settings (In: .020 -- Exh:  .022) are stamped near the bottom of 
the tag.
The engine is about 12" x 12" x 20" high.  The cast  iron flywheel is 10" 
diameter x 3?" wide.  The crankshaft diameter is  1-3/16".  The crankshaft has 
been turned to 1" diameter where the pulley  attaches.  The spark plug is 
mounted 90? to the cylinder.  It has an  updraft carburetor (no name) with a side 
air intake of 1?" diameter.   The air intake is oil bath filtered.  The 
crankcase breather is  located on the opposite side of the carburetor, under the gas 
tank, and  screws into the crankcase.  There is a magneto shut off rod mounted 
on the  upper side of the shroud.  The gas tank is estimated to hold about 1? 
to 2  gallons of gasoline and has glass bowl filter (with shut off valve) 
mounted  underneath.  The rope starter pulley is made to lock the flywheel nut and 
 is fastened to the flywheel with 2 -- 3/8" diameter SAE bolts.  The head  
bolts are imprinted with the name: "Rockford".
The linkage to the carburetor from the governor arm is  missing.  I have no 
idea how this linkage is designed nor how the  speed of the engine is 
controlled.  This the main reason to find out what  kind of the engine this is.  
Hopefully someone else has the same type  engine so I can get some idea how to set 
up the governor/carbuetor  linkage.  Of course, the carburetor will need some 
cleaning.
The high tension lead have been cut and needs to be replaced.   The points 
probably need to be cleaned.  Therefore, the flywheel needs to  be removed to 
gain access to the ignition system.
Other than the things I have mentioned above, the engine is in  fairly good 
shape and turns over easy.  It had a  large accumulation of dirt on the outside 
and on the inside of the shroud  and the air intake tube.  There is a small 
crack on the top of the oil bath  filter cap and a broken air intake pipe 
bracket.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Jul  6 19:37:42 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 22:37:42 EDT
Subject: [SEL]  New Project -- Need to Identify Engine
Message-ID: <ea.6cba207c.2ffdef76@aol.com>

Hi List,
I failed to say that this is an air cooled engine.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jul  6 21:15:01 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 05:15:01 +0100
Subject: [SEL] New Project -- Need to Identify Engine
In-Reply-To: <13d.169ec3cc.2ffde969@aol.com>
References: <13d.169ec3cc.2ffde969@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605070621154b356225@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/7/05, FRM8198 at aol.com <FRM8198 at aol.com> wrote:
> Hi List,
> I am starting to work on engine that belongs to a friend.  He  had used this
> engine to pump water (jack pump) for his cattle.  It  hasn't been in use for
> some time.

Hi Francis:

A picture is worth 1000 words....  any chance of an image of the engine?

Peter
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From d.fleming at sasktel.net  Thu Jul  7 00:39:43 2005
From: d.fleming at sasktel.net (Don & Kay Fleming)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 01:39:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL]  New Project -- Need to Identify Engine
References: <13d.169ec3cc.2ffde969@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001401c582c7$0c758ba0$4dc46e40@2S4KN5K0H3>

Hi Francis

I have a tag here off a similar engine.  It has ZZ   308110    262731 
stamped on it along with  .020 and .018.  The rest is faded out.  I think 
the engine is still sitting under an old iron rack that is falling down at a 
farm close to here.  If I remember correctly it is either a Briggs & 
Stratton or a Wisconsin.  If you don't get any information from anyone else 
I will see what I can find out. It is not sitting in very safe location to 
be poking around in.

Don Fleming
Kipling, Sk. Canada
<d.fleming at sasktel.net>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] New Project -- Need to Identify Engine


Hi List,
I am starting to work on engine that belongs to a friend.  He  had used this
engine to pump water (jack pump) for his cattle.  It  hasn't been in use for
some time.
We need to identify what kind of engine this is since there is no  name tag.
The tag that is located on cylinder shroud is stamped with the  following: 
ZZ
308171.  Another set of numbers is also stamped in  larger font: 228605.
Valve clearance settings (In: .020 -- Exh:  .022) are stamped near the 
bottom of
the tag.



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Jul  7 02:32:51 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 05:32:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] New Project -- Need to Identify Engine
Message-ID: <15a.53ee85f7.2ffe50c3@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/6/2005 9:35:45 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
listerdiesel at gmail.com writes:

A  picture is worth 1000 words....  any chance of an image of the  engine?



Sorry.  At this time I am unable to produce a picture as I  have just changed 
computers and I need to get the floppy drive configured.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Jul  7 02:37:08 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 05:37:08 EDT
Subject: [SEL]  New Project -- Need to Identify Engine
Message-ID: <203.510867c.2ffe51c4@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/7/2005 1:03:57 AM Pacific Standard Time,  
d.fleming at sasktel.net writes:

I have a  tag here off a similar engine.  It has ZZ   308110     262731 
stamped on it along with  .020 and .018.  The rest is  faded out.  I think 
the engine is still sitting under an old iron  rack that is falling down at a 
farm close to here.  If I remember  correctly it is either a Briggs & 
Stratton or a  Wisconsin.


Thanks Don,  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  7 04:13:59 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:13:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  New Project -- Need to Identify Engine
References: <13d.169ec3cc.2ffde969@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c582e4$f9d57f00$e58cf504@x8h7l9>

Hi Francis,

It sounds like a Briggs and Stratton Model ZZ,
http://www.edgeta.org/oldsite/engnotes.htm  .

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] New Project -- Need to Identify Engine


Hi List,
I am starting to work on engine that belongs to a friend.  He  had used this
engine to pump water (jack pump) for his cattle.  It  hasn't been in use for
some time.
We need to identify what kind of engine this is since there is no  name tag.
The tag that is located on cylinder shroud is stamped with the  following:
ZZ
308171.  Another set of numbers is also stamped in  larger font: 228605.
Valve clearance settings (In: .020 -- Exh:  .022) are stamped near the
bottom of
the tag.
The engine is about 12" x 12" x 20" high.  The cast  iron flywheel is 10"
diameter x 3?" wide.  The crankshaft diameter is  1-3/16".  The crankshaft
has
been turned to 1" diameter where the pulley  attaches.  The spark plug is
mounted 90? to the cylinder.  It has an  updraft carburetor (no name) with a
side
air intake of 1?" diameter.   The air intake is oil bath filtered.  The
crankcase breather is  located on the opposite side of the carburetor, under
the gas
tank, and  screws into the crankcase.  There is a magneto shut off rod
mounted
on the  upper side of the shroud.  The gas tank is estimated to hold about
1?
to 2  gallons of gasoline and has glass bowl filter (with shut off valve)
mounted  underneath.  The rope starter pulley is made to lock the flywheel
nut and
 is fastened to the flywheel with 2 -- 3/8" diameter SAE bolts.  The head
bolts are imprinted with the name: "Rockford".
The linkage to the carburetor from the governor arm is  missing.  I have no
idea how this linkage is designed nor how the  speed of the engine is
controlled.  This the main reason to find out what  kind of the engine this
is.
Hopefully someone else has the same type  engine so I can get some idea how
to set
up the governor/carbuetor  linkage.  Of course, the carburetor will need
some
cleaning.
The high tension lead have been cut and needs to be replaced.   The points
probably need to be cleaned.  Therefore, the flywheel needs to  be removed
to
gain access to the ignition system.
Other than the things I have mentioned above, the engine is in  fairly good
shape and turns over easy.  It had a  large accumulation of dirt on the
outside
and on the inside of the shroud  and the air intake tube.  There is a small
crack on the top of the oil bath  filter cap and a broken air intake pipe
bracket.

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA

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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Thu Jul  7 04:48:31 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:48:31 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT: London train & bus bombings: The thoughts of my family
 are with
 our friends in England at present... another attack on our lives... 
Message-ID: <42CD168F.1060007@steamengine.com.au>

I've been watching the BBC this evening with the reports of the train 
and bus bombings in the city of London in England. My thoughts, and 
those of my family are with our English friends.

Paul

-- 

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Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


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From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  7 05:28:50 2005
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 22:28:50 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Ackroyd Question
In-Reply-To: <1120468760.42c8ff18e3ebe@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY14-F3159884760060373A4DF4DBAD80@phx.gbl>

Hi Arnie, a friend of mine here in town has a 6 1/2 hornsby ackroyd girder 
engine, i will ask him about the piston as i know it is out of the engine at 
the moment. Dave in oz

>From: fero_ah at city-net.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: Stationary Engine List <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,        
>Old_Engine <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Ackroyd Question
>Date: Mon,  4 Jul 2005 05:19:20 -0400
>
>Hi Folks,
>
>I was perusing a Spring 2002 issue of Vaporising in the French's "reading 
>room"
>and ran across the following bit in an article on restoring an 1895 split 
>frame
>(girder frame) Hornsby Ackroyd engine, 12-1/2 hp.
>
>"The piston itself was about 12 inches across and was constructed with 
>removable
>top lands for servicing the rings.  You just undo four bolts and remove the 
>top
>land, then a ring, and then so on down the piston."
>
>OK, that's pretty wierd, but also pretty interesting.
>
>Does anyone have any more info (like pictures) of this setup?  ISTR that 
>some of
>the blokes in Oz have these girder frame Hornsby Ackroyds.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>(currently of Kibworth-Harcourt)
>fero_ah at city-net.com
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From tsmith at hal-pc.org  Thu Jul  7 05:50:29 2005
From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 07:50:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: London train & bus bombings: The thoughts of my
	family are with our friends in England at present... another attack on
	our lives... 
In-Reply-To: <42CD168F.1060007@steamengine.com.au>
References: <42CD168F.1060007@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <web-180263730@mail.hal-pc.org>

AMEN!!

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:48:31 +1000
  Paul Pavlinovich <pjp at steamengine.com.au> wrote:
> I've been watching the BBC this evening with the reports of the 
>train and bus bombings in the city of London in England. My thoughts, 
>and those of my family are with our English friends.
> 
> Paul
> 
> -- 
> 
> pjp at steamengine.com.au
> Emerald, Victoria, Australia
> www.steamengine.com.au
> 
> 
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From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jul  7 06:18:11 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 09:18:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Casting Filler
In-Reply-To: <007f01c58288$344caad0$365bef18@pengy>
References: <007f01c58288$344caad0$365bef18@pengy>
Message-ID: <42CD2B93.80609@imc-group.com>

Rick,
Too bad you weren't ramming molds back then, as filler would not be 
necessary. But on the down side you'd be old as dirt by now!
Bondo has been my choice of filler for engines I have slicked and so far 
is holding up. Icing would be far too expensive. You can thin your Bondo 
slightly with a little lacquer thinner to make it more the consistency 
of Icing. I only thin the amount I am going to use. I do not add thinner 
to the can. If you add too much it will not set right so play around 
with what you can get away with.

On a different note, what about the use of old fashioned plaster? Not 
sheet rock compound, but real old plaster. It used to be applied to 
metal lath (correct word?) and it stuck fine. It ought to stick to clean 
cast iron. Plaster is dirt cheap and considering the amount of surface 
you are trying to smooth it might be an option. A good brushing of latex 
paint 30 days later ought to make a decent look for a good while if 
indoors/out of the weather. Anybody used plaster on an engine?

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


Tod Engine wrote:

>What material was used for filling imperfections in castings around 1910 or so?  The Tod Engine castings have a filler that is dark grey in color and sort of looks like graphite when I hit it with a wire wheel.  Most of it is flaking off and eventually I will need to refill the castings when I go to do a professional paint job on her.
>
>So what material was the original filler and what would be the material to use today?  Due to the size of these castings and inexpensive nature of bondo that's my first choice. 
>
>Rick Rowlands
>Executive Director
>Tod Engine Heritage Park
>William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
>Youngstown, OH
>http://www.todengine.org/
>Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine!
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jul  7 06:45:14 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 06:45:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT: London train & bus bombings: The thoughts of my 
	family are with our friends in England at present... another attack 
	on our lives...
In-Reply-To: <web-180263730@mail.hal-pc.org>
References: <42CD168F.1060007@steamengine.com.au>
	<web-180263730@mail.hal-pc.org>
Message-ID: <2053.165.206.180.102.1120743914.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

Our thoughts and prayers are with all people from the U.K.
We are apalled.

It's unfortunate that our friends are suffering for being our friends -
but it's fantastic that they remain our friends by our side knowing full
well the suffering they, too, may go through in part because they are our
friends and denounce terrorism anywhere.
And the British (and Aussies) are indeed true friends second to none, and
wonderful people.
I was thrilled to see that London would host the Olympics of 12.

Bill
Iowa, USA


> AMEN!!
>
> On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:48:31 +1000
>   Paul Pavlinovich <pjp at steamengine.com.au> wrote:
>> I've been watching the BBC this evening with the reports of the
>>train and bus bombings in the city of London in England. My thoughts,
>>and those of my family are with our English friends.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> --
>>
>> pjp at steamengine.com.au
>> Emerald, Victoria, Australia
>> www.steamengine.com.au
>>
>>
>> --
>> No virus found in this outgoing message.
>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
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From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Thu Jul  7 07:23:22 2005
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:23:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: London train & bus bombings: The thoughts of my	family
	are with our friends in England at present... another attack	on
	our lives...
References: <42CD168F.1060007@steamengine.com.au>
	<web-180263730@mail.hal-pc.org>
	<2053.165.206.180.102.1120743914.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c582ff$6eb5b280$151c7546@satx.rr.com>

God bless our british friends.

Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: London train & bus bombings: The thoughts of my
family are with our friends in England at present... another attack on our
lives...


> Our thoughts and prayers are with all people from the U.K.
> We are apalled.
>
> It's unfortunate that our friends are suffering for being our friends -
> but it's fantastic that they remain our friends by our side knowing full
> well the suffering they, too, may go through in part because they are our
> friends and denounce terrorism anywhere.
> And the British (and Aussies) are indeed true friends second to none, and
> wonderful people.
> I was thrilled to see that London would host the Olympics of 12.
>
> Bill
> Iowa, USA
>
>
> > AMEN!!
> >
> > On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:48:31 +1000
> >   Paul Pavlinovich <pjp at steamengine.com.au> wrote:
> >> I've been watching the BBC this evening with the reports of the
> >>train and bus bombings in the city of London in England. My thoughts,
> >>and those of my family are with our English friends.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> pjp at steamengine.com.au
> >> Emerald, Victoria, Australia
> >> www.steamengine.com.au
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jul  7 08:02:55 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 01:02:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. London Bombings
Message-ID: <20050707150227.YNWP21584.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I am terribly saddened by the cowardly attacks on our British allies.
It will take more than this to stop the city that survived the Blitz!

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Jul  7 08:12:11 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:12:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Casting Filler
In-Reply-To: <42CD2B93.80609@imc-group.com>
References: <007f01c58288$344caad0$365bef18@pengy>
	<42CD2B93.80609@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <39dbbf9f860fd576fa8c5d9b5e558d0f@chartertn.net>

> Anybody used plaster on an engine?

Now that you mention it, I'll bet that's what the filler liberally used 
on Dolly the Listeroid is. It's white and of the right consistency.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jul  7 11:37:48 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 19:37:48 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT: London train & bus bombings: The thoughts of my family
	are with our friends in England at present... another attack on
	our lives...
In-Reply-To: <42CD168F.1060007@steamengine.com.au>
References: <42CD168F.1060007@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <6f60251605070711376e88d00b@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/7/05, Paul Pavlinovich <pjp at steamengine.com.au> wrote:
> I've been watching the BBC this evening with the reports of the train
> and bus bombings in the city of London in England. My thoughts, and
> those of my family are with our English friends.
> 
> Paul
> 

Thanks, Paul and everyone else who has emailed or posted, it's
comforting to know others are thinking of us in the UK at this awful
time.

Peter 
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jul  7 12:02:44 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:02:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT: London train & bus bombings: The thoughts of my 
	family are with our friends in England at present... another attack 
	on our lives...
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605070711376e88d00b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <42CD168F.1060007@steamengine.com.au>
	<6f60251605070711376e88d00b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2825.165.206.180.102.1120762964.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

No one can ever truly know exactly how the British feel as a country or
personally, but I assure you, we come close - and we feel for you.
(and those who believe are praying)

Bill

> On 7/7/05, Paul Pavlinovich <pjp at steamengine.com.au> wrote:
>> I've been watching the BBC this evening with the reports of the train
>> and bus bombings in the city of London in England. My thoughts, and
>> those of my family are with our English friends.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>
> Thanks, Paul and everyone else who has emailed or posted, it's
> comforting to know others are thinking of us in the UK at this awful
> time.
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jul  7 17:30:23 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 00:30:23 -0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T.Looks like terrorist actions in London
Message-ID: <000701c59a6b$e6488e20$fa4c1152@no1>

If you are interested see the news. The entire underground is off & a bus has exploded.
Info still coming in.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jul  7 17:30:28 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 00:30:28 -0000
Subject: [SEL] OT: London train & bus bombings: The thoughts of my family
	are with our friends in England at present... another attack on
	our lives... 
References: <42CD168F.1060007@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <000e01c59a89$88c0c920$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Pavlinovich" <pjp at steamengine.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 12:48 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT: London train & bus bombings: The thoughts of my family are with our friends in England at present... another
attack on our lives...


> I've been watching the BBC this evening with the reports of the train
> and bus bombings in the city of London in England. My thoughts, and
> those of my family are with our English friends.
> Paul

Hi Paul, many Australians & Americans are worried for their relatives
as London has more foreigners than English born people.
Kerry Morris rang his daughter this morning but she luckily is on holiday
in Spain this week.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Jul  7 14:33:54 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 17:33:54 EDT
Subject: [SEL]  New Project -- Need to Identify Engine
Message-ID: <78.76851342.2ffef9c2@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/7/2005 4:43:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,  
edstoller at earthlink.net writes:

It  sounds like a Briggs and Stratton Model  ZZ,
http://www.edgeta.org/oldsite/engnotes.htm  


Ed,
Thanks.  
I think you are correct.  The picture of the ZZ look amost  identical to the 
one I am restorting.
Now, I need a source for a manual and possibly an outlet for  external 
governor parts and linkage.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jul  7 17:30:37 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 00:30:37 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Anyone like aircraft engines.
Message-ID: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1>

I will be viewing this engine again in a couple of weeks at Flookborough but the BBC have 
taken the pictures for me!
See http://www.bbc.co.uk/cumbria/content/image_galleries/merlin_engine_gallery.shtml?1
Make sure you listen to the Audio.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Thu Jul  7 19:15:43 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 19:15:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Casting Filler
In-Reply-To: <42CD2B93.80609@imc-group.com>
References: <007f01c58288$344caad0$365bef18@pengy>
	<42CD2B93.80609@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050707191203.01a70420@mail.pennswoods.net>


Curt you mention plaster for filler. here is a trick we used a time or two 
on autos that were rusted out bad and wanted a cheap fix. Get the patching 
plaster that is dry powder form and mix it with paint thinner what ever 
kind you are going to use fill the area sand off and walla good filler real 
cheap.
R Fink
PA



At 09:18 AM 7/7/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>Rick,
>Too bad you weren't ramming molds back then, as filler would not be 
>necessary. But on the down side you'd be old as dirt by now!
>Bondo has been my choice of filler for engines I have slicked and so far 
>is holding up. Icing would be far too expensive. You can thin your Bondo 
>slightly with a little lacquer thinner to make it more the consistency of 
>Icing. I only thin the amount I am going to use. I do not add thinner to 
>the can. If you add too much it will not set right so play around with 
>what you can get away with.
>
>On a different note, what about the use of old fashioned plaster? Not 
>sheet rock compound, but real old plaster. It used to be applied to metal 
>lath (correct word?) and it stuck fine. It ought to stick to clean cast 
>iron. Plaster is dirt cheap and considering the amount of surface you are 
>trying to smooth it might be an option. A good brushing of latex paint 30 
>days later ought to make a decent look for a good while if indoors/out of 
>the weather. Anybody used plaster on an engine?
>
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC
>
>
>Tod Engine wrote:
>
>>What material was used for filling imperfections in castings around 1910 
>>or so?  The Tod Engine castings have a filler that is dark grey in color 
>>and sort of looks like graphite when I hit it with a wire wheel.  Most of 
>>it is flaking off and eventually I will need to refill the castings when 
>>I go to do a professional paint job on her.
>>
>>So what material was the original filler and what would be the material 
>>to use today?  Due to the size of these castings and inexpensive nature 
>>of bondo that's my first choice.
>>Rick Rowlands
>>Executive Director
>>Tod Engine Heritage Park
>>William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
>>Youngstown, OH
>>http://www.todengine.org/
>>Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine!
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  7 18:28:21 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 21:28:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  New Project -- Need to Identify Engine
References: <78.76851342.2ffef9c2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c5835c$54704180$27c8f504@x8h7l9>

Briggs and Stratton puts out an "Antique Engine' manual,actually 'Service
Manual for Out of Production Engines, 1919 - 1981, Part NumberCE8069-5/00.

I have a B&S Model B on my Kohler 800 Generator which runs good and might
have some similarities. I also belong the Briggs and Stratton Group.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Project -- Need to Identify Engine


>
> In a message dated 7/7/2005 4:43:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> edstoller at earthlink.net writes:
>
> It  sounds like a Briggs and Stratton Model  ZZ,
> http://www.edgeta.org/oldsite/engnotes.htm
>
>
> Ed,
> Thanks.
> I think you are correct.  The picture of the ZZ look amost  identical to
the
> one I am restorting.
> Now, I need a source for a manual and possibly an outlet for  external
> governor parts and linkage.
>
> Francis Maciel
> Santa Maria,  CA
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From todengine at zoominternet.net  Thu Jul  7 18:50:32 2005
From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 21:50:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Casting Filler
References: <007f01c58288$344caad0$365bef18@pengy>
	<42CD2B93.80609@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <00a701c5835f$6d19b420$365bef18@pengy>

I think bondo will do just fine for the Tod Engine.  Now I just need a 
volunteer who is a body shop person.    The last priority right now is 
cosmetics, first priority is getting the engine back together and a 
secondary priority is making the parts look presentable while she goes 
together.

So Curt when are you moving to Ohio so you can begin your new career as 
filler application engineer?

BTW if the Tod foundrymen had the phenolic or furan sand binders that we 
have today they wouldn't need any filler either.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Casting Filler


> Rick,
> Too bad you weren't ramming molds back then, as filler would not be 
> necessary. But on the down side you'd be old as dirt by now!
> Bondo has been my choice of filler for engines I have slicked and so far 
> is holding up. Icing would be far too expensive. You can thin your Bondo 
> slightly with a little lacquer thinner to make it more the consistency of 
> Icing. I only thin the amount I am going to use. I do not add thinner to 
> the can. If you add too much it will not set right so play around with 
> what you can get away with.
>
> On a different note, what about the use of old fashioned plaster? Not 
> sheet rock compound, but real old plaster. It used to be applied to metal 
> lath (correct word?) and it stuck fine. It ought to stick to clean cast 
> iron. Plaster is dirt cheap and considering the amount of surface you are 
> trying to smooth it might be an option. A good brushing of latex paint 30 
> days later ought to make a decent look for a good while if indoors/out of 
> the weather. Anybody used plaster on an engine?
>
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
>
> Tod Engine wrote:
>
>>What material was used for filling imperfections in castings around 1910 
>>or so?  The Tod Engine castings have a filler that is dark grey in color 
>>and sort of looks like graphite when I hit it with a wire wheel.  Most of 
>>it is flaking off and eventually I will need to refill the castings when I 
>>go to do a professional paint job on her.
>>
>>So what material was the original filler and what would be the material to 
>>use today?  Due to the size of these castings and inexpensive nature of 
>>bondo that's my first choice.
>>Rick Rowlands
>>Executive Director
>>Tod Engine Heritage Park
>>William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
>>Youngstown, OH
>>http://www.todengine.org/
>>Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine!
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  7 18:52:46 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 19:52:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T.Looks like terrorist actions in London
In-Reply-To: <000701c59a6b$e6488e20$fa4c1152@no1>
References: <000701c59a6b$e6488e20$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <42CDDC6E.2010600@earthlink.net>

I heard the news earlier. Memories of 9/11 came back to me and they are 
not pleasant. My heart goes out to you and your countrymen. You are in 
the thoughts and prayers of our family.

Jeff Allen

Dave Croft wrote:

>If you are interested see the news. The entire underground is off & a bus has exploded.
>Info still coming in.
>Dave Croft
>Warrington
>England
>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Jul  7 19:06:41 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:06:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL]  New Project -- Need to Identify Engine
Message-ID: <12b.608ee8c5.2fff39b1@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/7/2005 6:56:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
edstoller at earthlink.net writes:

Briggs  and Stratton puts out an "Antique Engine' manual,actually 'Service
Manual  for Out of Production Engines, 1919 - 1981, Part  NumberCE8069-5/00.


Thanks for the tip.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From gwaugh at wowway.com  Thu Jul  7 19:10:55 2005
From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:10:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Anyone like aircraft engines.
In-Reply-To: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1>
References: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <42CDE0AF.2050604@wowway.com>

Dave Croft wrote:
> I will be viewing this engine again in a couple of weeks at Flookborough but the BBC have 
> taken the pictures for me!
> See http://www.bbc.co.uk/cumbria/content/image_galleries/merlin_engine_gallery.shtml?1
> Make sure you listen to the Audio.
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
Beautiful, and KEWL!!

-- 
Gene

Gene Waugh
Elgin, Illinois 60123 USA


From b2 at chooka.net  Thu Jul  7 20:56:46 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:56:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: London train & bus bombings: The thoughts of my
	familyare with our friends in England at present... another
	attack onour lives... 
In-Reply-To: <000e01c59a89$88c0c920$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <200507072257994.SM02420@wrbpc>

Whether it happens in New York, Madrid, London, or anywhere else, it is
indeed an attack on all peaceful people of the world.  I remember well the
outpouring of support on Sept 11, it still brings chills up my spine as I
became aware of just how small our world really is, and the amount of
international goodwill and understanding that we mutually enjoyed.

The American news that I caught on the way home this evening had a great
story about how calm the citizens of London were, and how effective and
polite the police were while this is all happening.  I was riding a bus
between the airports in London this spring and a BMW ran in front of the bus
from a freeway entrance.  Of course, the BMW got the worst of the impact.
Everybody just kind of sat back, including a couple who missed their flight,
and patiently waited for the authorities to come before the bus moved on.

Indeed, the best to you from this side of the pond.  

Who knows where the next one will be.

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 8:20 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: London train & bus bombings: The thoughts of my
familyare with our friends in England at present... another attack onour
lives... 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Pavlinovich" <pjp at steamengine.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 12:48 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT: London train & bus bombings: The thoughts of my family
are with our friends in England at present... another attack on our lives...


> I've been watching the BBC this evening with the reports of the train 
> and bus bombings in the city of London in England. My thoughts, and 
> those of my family are with our English friends.
> Paul

Hi Paul, many Australians & Americans are worried for their relatives as
London has more foreigners than English born people.
Kerry Morris rang his daughter this morning but she luckily is on holiday in
Spain this week.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

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From skipl at montana.com  Thu Jul  7 21:27:35 2005
From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 22:27:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL]IHC air cooled engine
References: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <42CE00B7.E92C1400@montana.com>

anyone out there know about how many 2 horse ihc air cooled engines are around, value, where
is the serial# other than on the tag?  thanks for any info.  skip in nw montana

Dave Croft wrote:

> I will be viewing this engine again in a couple of weeks at Flookborough but the BBC have
> taken the pictures for me!
> See http://www.bbc.co.uk/cumbria/content/image_galleries/merlin_engine_gallery.shtml?1
> Make sure you listen to the Audio.
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jul  7 21:21:25 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 23:21:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT test
In-Reply-To: <007f01c58288$344caad0$365bef18@pengy>
Message-ID: <200507080421.j684LUdo018390@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

 
Getting errors when trying to send - they come back "no recipients"

Ignore, delete, trash, recycle bin, whatever.
Or
Let me know if you don't get this.




From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jul  7 21:22:14 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 23:22:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for B&S info....
In-Reply-To: <42CDE0AF.2050604@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <200507080422.j684MKbr018751@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

 
Anyone know of a web site, or someone who can tell me about the following:

Briggs model 6F8
Type # 105540
S/N 43438

It's on a small pump I bought recently - same brand as my large mud pump - a
Humdinger. Same company, etc.
I have another that's powered by a small air cooled Lauson so when all
running, I'll have 3 Humdingers.

For now I'd like to find year and HP on the engine, etc.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa

God Save the Queen




From garyepps at fidnet.com  Thu Jul  7 21:56:03 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:56:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT test
In-Reply-To: <200507080421.j684LUdo018390@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200507080421.j684LUdo018390@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <42CE0763.3080507@fidnet.com>

Bill, I think I got it.

Gary

Bill Dickerson wrote:
>  
> Getting errors when trying to send - they come back "no recipients"
> 
> Ignore, delete, trash, recycle bin, whatever.
> Or
> Let me know if you don't get this.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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> 
> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jul  7 22:23:24 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 06:23:24 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT test
In-Reply-To: <200507080421.j684LUdo018390@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <007f01c58288$344caad0$365bef18@pengy>
	<200507080421.j684LUdo018390@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <6f602516050707222375c91ae4@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/8/05, Bill Dickerson <bill at antique-engines.com> wrote:
> 
> Getting errors when trying to send - they come back "no recipients"
> 
> Ignore, delete, trash, recycle bin, whatever.
> Or
> Let me know if you don't get this.
> 

Got that OK, Bill, about 6.10am UK time

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From falcon at telenet.net  Thu Jul  7 22:39:56 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 01:39:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for B&S info....
References: <200507080422.j684MKbr018751@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <008a01c5837f$79ab93a0$b01117d1@net.telenet.net>


>
> Anyone know of a web site, or someone who can tell me about the
following:
>
> Briggs model 6F8
> Type # 105540
> S/N 43438
>
> It's on a small pump I bought recently - same brand as my large mud
pump - a
> Humdinger. Same company, etc.
> I have another that's powered by a small air cooled Lauson so when all
> running, I'll have 3 Humdingers.
>
> For now I'd like to find year and HP on the engine, etc.
>
> Bill
> Runnells, Iowa
>
> God Save the Queen
>
>
>
Made between August and Sep of 1952
2" bore 2" stroke
About 5 HP.



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Jul  8 02:34:59 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:34:59 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Machinists Question?
Message-ID: <001b01c583a0$69a69ce0$ee9981cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Does anyone know the thread size for the spark plugs on a Ford A . I am
making some adapters so that we can use 14 mm plugs.
To me it looks like .865 x .1.5mm pitch . If anyone can confirm this i would 
be most grateful.As you may gather i don't have any reference.
In anticipation ,thanks
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul  8 03:19:21 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:19:21 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Machinists Question?
In-Reply-To: <001b01c583a0$69a69ce0$ee9981cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <001b01c583a0$69a69ce0$ee9981cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <6f602516050708031917d21ce4@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/8/05, peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
> Does anyone know the thread size for the spark plugs on a Ford A . I am
> making some adapters so that we can use 14 mm plugs.
> To me it looks like .865 x .1.5mm pitch . If anyone can confirm this i would
> be most grateful.As you may gather i don't have any reference.
> In anticipation ,thanks
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
> 
> 
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> 


-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From svsuzanne at copper.net  Fri Jul  8 03:24:28 2005
From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 06:24:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT test
References: <007f01c58288$344caad0$365bef18@pengy><200507080421.j684LUdo018390@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<6f602516050707222375c91ae4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002f01c583a7$3ad23940$6378e93f@your6wz9c9s4x1>

OK 1:43 AM EST DanR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT test


> On 7/8/05, Bill Dickerson <bill at antique-engines.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Getting errors when trying to send - they come back "no recipients"
>> 
>> Ignore, delete, trash, recycle bin, whatever.
>> Or
>> Let me know if you don't get this.
>> 
> 
> Got that OK, Bill, about 6.10am UK time
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 7/6/2005
> 
>


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul  8 03:25:38 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:25:38 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Machinists Question?
In-Reply-To: <6f602516050708031917d21ce4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001b01c583a0$69a69ce0$ee9981cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<6f602516050708031917d21ce4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605070803253236eb91@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/8/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/8/05, peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
> > Does anyone know the thread size for the spark plugs on a Ford A . I am
> > making some adapters so that we can use 14 mm plugs.
> > To me it looks like .865 x .1.5mm pitch . If anyone can confirm this i would
> > be most grateful.As you may gather i don't have any reference.
> > In anticipation ,thanks
> > Peter Ogborne

That one got out before I had time to write anything.

The old edition of the SAE handbook we have quotes 7/8" (0.875")  with 18 TPI.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Jul  8 04:30:52 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:30:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for B&S info....
References: <200507080422.j684MKbr018751@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <005401c583b1$1ea66ac0$73b0f504@x8h7l9>

Bill,

You might try  http://www.edgeta.org/oldsite/engnotes.htm .  On the model
6R6, the R6 stands for reduction gear with a ratio of 6/1.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 12:22 AM
Subject: [SEL] Looking for B&S info....


>
> Anyone know of a web site, or someone who can tell me about the following:
>
> Briggs model 6F8
> Type # 105540
> S/N 43438
>
> It's on a small pump I bought recently - same brand as my large mud pump -
a
> Humdinger. Same company, etc.
> I have another that's powered by a small air cooled Lauson so when all
> running, I'll have 3 Humdingers.
>
> For now I'd like to find year and HP on the engine, etc.
>
> Bill
> Runnells, Iowa
>
> God Save the Queen
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jul  8 05:02:30 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:02:30 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Casting Filler
Message-ID: <1f2.d434b09.2fffc556@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/7/2005 9:45:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
nancydick at pennswoods.net writes:

<< Get the patching 
 plaster that is dry powder form and mix it with paint thinner what ever 
 kind you are going to use fill the area sand off and walla good filler real 
 cheap >>


Geesh Richard, no wonder all of my automobile body repairs did not hold up!  
Guess I got what I paid for!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jul  8 05:09:44 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:09:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Looking for B&S info....
In-Reply-To: <005401c583b1$1ea66ac0$73b0f504@x8h7l9>
References: <200507080422.j684MKbr018751@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<005401c583b1$1ea66ac0$73b0f504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <3929.165.206.180.102.1120824584.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

I sort of recalled the R stood for reduction, but there is no reduction,
it's a direct-drive pump. so I wonder if they bought the engines minus the
gear reduction and put their pump on that shaft instead. The pump mounts
like a gear unit would.

Thanks (to all so far)

Bill

> Bill,
>
> You might try  http://www.edgeta.org/oldsite/engnotes.htm .  On the model
> 6R6, the R6 stands for reduction gear with a ratio of 6/1.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 12:22 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Looking for B&S info....
>
>
>>
>> Anyone know of a web site, or someone who can tell me about the
>> following:
>>
>> Briggs model 6F8
>> Type # 105540
>> S/N 43438
>>
>> It's on a small pump I bought recently - same brand as my large mud pump
>> -
> a
>> Humdinger. Same company, etc.
>> I have another that's powered by a small air cooled Lauson so when all
>> running, I'll have 3 Humdingers.
>>
>> For now I'd like to find year and HP on the engine, etc.
>>
>> Bill
>> Runnells, Iowa
>>
>> God Save the Queen
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
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>



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Jul  8 05:36:38 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:36:38 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Machinists Question?
References: <001b01c583a0$69a69ce0$ee9981cb@ogborneuah38i3><6f602516050708031917d21ce4@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f60251605070803253236eb91@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c583b9$b3c70440$379881cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Thanks Peter..........I was using the Plasticine method to measure the TPI, 
all i had was the remains of an old head , 18 TPI sounds good.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinists Question?


> On 7/8/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 7/8/05, peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
>> > Does anyone know the thread size for the spark plugs on a Ford A . I am
>> > making some adapters so that we can use 14 mm plugs.
>> > To me it looks like .865 x .1.5mm pitch . If anyone can confirm this i 
>> > would
>> > be most grateful.As you may gather i don't have any reference.
>> > In anticipation ,thanks
>> > Peter Ogborne
>
> That one got out before I had time to write anything.
>
> The old edition of the SAE handbook we have quotes 7/8" (0.875")  with 18 
> TPI.
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jul  8 06:28:49 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Fri,  8 Jul 2005 09:28:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
Message-ID: <1120829329.42ce7f919c297@webmail.city-net.com>

Hiya Folks,

I currently have a couple of the barbeque grill size propane tanks (~20 lb.?)
that I'll be using for my 15 hp Bessemer half-breed; one for the hot tube and
one for the engine.

I'd really like to get a larger one for running the engine.  What's the next
"logical" size (50 lb.?) and where does one buy one?  The smaller sizes are
available everywhere, but I don't recall seeing any of the larger ones.

Can you get them refilled at a "normal" propane refilling station?

Thanks!

See ya,  Arnie

PS - I should be picking up the cylinder & piston this weekend so barking time
isn't far away!!!

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Fri Jul  8 06:57:01 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 13:57:01 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
Message-ID: <070820051357.332.42CE862D0008B7790000014C21979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Arnie,
You can get them 30, 40, 50, 80 & 100 lb size tanks.  Best place to purchase 
or rent is local farm supply (FS, COOP,etc.)  Most refilling stations will 
gladly fill all of these sizes so long as it as the newer style connections.
If your interested I have a 100lb I am not using anymore.
Curt


> Hiya Folks,
> 
> I currently have a couple of the barbeque grill size propane tanks (~20 lb.?)
> that I'll be using for my 15 hp Bessemer half-breed; one for the hot tube and
> one for the engine.
> 
> I'd really like to get a larger one for running the engine.  What's the next
> "logical" size (50 lb.?) and where does one buy one?  The smaller sizes are
> available everywhere, but I don't recall seeing any of the larger ones.
> 
> Can you get them refilled at a "normal" propane refilling station?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> PS - I should be picking up the cylinder & piston this weekend so barking time
> isn't far away!!!
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jul  8 07:01:30 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 10:01:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Casting Filler
In-Reply-To: <1f2.d434b09.2fffc556@aol.com>
References: <1f2.d434b09.2fffc556@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42CE873A.2020306@imc-group.com>

Tom,
Like the paint on your truck, I thought this was part of your 
"anti-theft" cosmetic plan. :-)
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

>Geesh Richard, no wonder all of my automobile body repairs did not hold up!  
>Guess I got what I paid for!
>
>  
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jul  8 07:03:38 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:03:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
In-Reply-To: <1120829329.42ce7f919c297@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1120829329.42ce7f919c297@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <4284.165.206.180.102.1120831418.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

I believe the next up is 40 pound.
Which brings up - how about using a manifold and connecting 2 20 pound
tanks together for more capacity?

Bill

> Hiya Folks,
>
> I currently have a couple of the barbeque grill size propane tanks (~20
> lb.?)
> that I'll be using for my 15 hp Bessemer half-breed; one for the hot tube
> and
> one for the engine.
>
> I'd really like to get a larger one for running the engine.  What's the
> next
> "logical" size (50 lb.?) and where does one buy one?  The smaller sizes
> are
> available everywhere, but I don't recall seeing any of the larger ones.
>
> Can you get them refilled at a "normal" propane refilling station?
>
> Thanks!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> PS - I should be picking up the cylinder & piston this weekend so barking
> time
> isn't far away!!!
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Jul  8 07:03:41 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:03:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
References: <1120829329.42ce7f919c297@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001701c583c5$d9e533c0$18b6f504@x8h7l9>

Hi Arnie,

I picked up a 100 pound tank for our lobster pot at church.When it gets
empty, we will be looking to get rid of it. It stands about 4 feet tall.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "OFES" <ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Stationary Engine List"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old_Engine"
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:28 AM
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank


> Hiya Folks,
>
> I currently have a couple of the barbeque grill size propane tanks (~20
lb.?)
> that I'll be using for my 15 hp Bessemer half-breed; one for the hot tube
and
> one for the engine.
>
> I'd really like to get a larger one for running the engine.  What's the
next
> "logical" size (50 lb.?) and where does one buy one?  The smaller sizes
are
> available everywhere, but I don't recall seeing any of the larger ones.
>
> Can you get them refilled at a "normal" propane refilling station?
>
> Thanks!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> PS - I should be picking up the cylinder & piston this weekend so barking
time
> isn't far away!!!
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jul  8 07:13:29 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:13:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for B&S info....
Message-ID: <20050708.101337.656.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Bill,

Have you tried this site ?

http://www.asecc.com/parts.html

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jul  8 07:09:44 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:09:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
Message-ID: <20050708.101337.656.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Arnie,

Ha Ha !!!  What is a "Normal" propane filling station ?
If you  mean your local 7-Eleven - forget it.  The only thing they fill
is the 20 lb.
Their scale is set up to a certain weight.  When the balance bar lifts -
it's full.

I'm not sure on the sizes -  I once had a 30 lb but sold it because it
was too cumbersome for me.

I would call either West Penn Laco (412) 821-3608 - or - Jackson Welding
(412) 391-4500
and ask about sizes.

I think the ones used at the shows are 100 lb size.

I also think that the show will supply you with propane if you give
advance notice.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
\/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jul  8 07:33:33 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 10:33:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
In-Reply-To: <1120829329.42ce7f919c297@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1120829329.42ce7f919c297@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050708103136.04652850@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Arnie,
         With that regulator that you bought from Jake you may not need 
more than 20lbs. to run your Bessemer for a long time. Give it a try before 
you get a larger tank!
         Dave

At 09:28 AM 7/8/2005, you wrote:
>Hiya Folks,
>
>I currently have a couple of the barbeque grill size propane tanks (~20 lb.?)
>that I'll be using for my 15 hp Bessemer half-breed; one for the hot tube and
>one for the engine.
>
>I'd really like to get a larger one for running the engine.  What's the next
>"logical" size (50 lb.?) and where does one buy one?  The smaller sizes are
>available everywhere, but I don't recall seeing any of the larger ones.
>
>Can you get them refilled at a "normal" propane refilling station?
>
>Thanks!
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>PS - I should be picking up the cylinder & piston this weekend so barking time
>isn't far away!!!
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jul  8 08:18:04 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 11:18:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cooling for Fairbanks needed.
Message-ID: <42CE992C.4070301@imc-group.com>

Guys,
At our Cotton Ginning Days meeting last night we discussed several 
options for cooling our 37 1/2HP Fairbanks semi-diesel used to drive our 
cotton gin. At the bottom of this link is a picture of the engine:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/cottongin.htm>

Since we began using the engine we have just run city water thru it and 
dumped the water in a ditch nearby. After running for 3 days at our 
annual show this creates a big mud hole of a mess at one of the 
entrances to a field folks display engines in.

One of the ideas floated was to acquire a period correct "cooler" to 
recirculate water to the engine. So I am soliciting for suggestions on 
what such a device would be and look like. Maybe someone even has one we 
can use. What would a cooler be? A wooden cooling tower with slats that 
trickle the water collected in a tank at the bottom? ORA plain wooden 
tank like this? 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Illinois%20Oil%20Lease/09.jpg>
 OR Something with a fan that creates updraft like you see in industry?

We flow about 3 gallon per minute thru our engine. We really don't use 
the full HP of the engine and I would estimate we use 1/2 the HP at 
most. If anyone has suggestions on what would be the best type of period 
correct cooler, and even better where we can get one, we'd sure like to 
hear from you.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
Cotton Ginning Days Show Oct 14, 15, and 16th.

P.S. I have estimated a cooling load of 3.3 tons (41000 BTU/hr) for the 
cooler, so this will be a small unit.


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul  8 08:49:24 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:49:24 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Cooling for Fairbanks needed.
In-Reply-To: <42CE992C.4070301@imc-group.com>
References: <42CE992C.4070301@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160507080849699f7ef@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/8/05, Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
> Guys,
> At our Cotton Ginning Days meeting last night we discussed several
> options for cooling our 37 1/2HP Fairbanks semi-diesel used to drive our
> cotton gin. At the bottom of this link is a picture of the engine:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/cottongin.htm>
> 
> Since we began using the engine we have just run city water thru it and
> dumped the water in a ditch nearby. After running for 3 days at our
> annual show this creates a big mud hole of a mess at one of the
> entrances to a field folks display engines in.
> 
> One of the ideas floated was to acquire a period correct "cooler" to
> recirculate water to the engine. So I am soliciting for suggestions on
> what such a device would be and look like. Maybe someone even has one we
> can use. What would a cooler be? A wooden cooling tower with slats that
> trickle the water collected in a tank at the bottom? ORA plain wooden
> tank like this?
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Illinois%20Oil%20Lease/09.jpg>
>  OR Something with a fan that creates updraft like you see in industry?
> 
> We flow about 3 gallon per minute thru our engine. We really don't use
> the full HP of the engine and I would estimate we use 1/2 the HP at
> most. If anyone has suggestions on what would be the best type of period
> correct cooler, and even better where we can get one, we'd sure like to
> hear from you.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> Cotton Ginning Days Show Oct 14, 15, and 16th.
> 
> P.S. I have estimated a cooling load of 3.3 tons (41000 BTU/hr) for the
> cooler, so this will be a small unit.

That's a bit big for a screen cooling setup, and a tank cooling system
would probably be a bit heavy, but for demo use I would certainly look
at a screen cooler, and you would need a pump to circulate the water,
unless you used exhaust pressure to do it.

Look at the figures for the latent heat of evaporation of water, you'd
be surprised how little you would need to get the heat out of the
engine.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From mtucker at uky.edu  Fri Jul  8 08:42:18 2005
From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:42:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050708103136.04652850@mail.alltel.net>
References: <1120829329.42ce7f919c297@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050708103136.04652850@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <p06210201bef44ea2bd58@[128.163.81.76]>

>         With that regulator that you bought from Jake you may not 
>need more than 20lbs. to run your Bessemer for a long time. Give it 
>a try before you get a larger tank!

Come on folks!!!!  Unless Craig completely assembles and starts it, 
that Bessemer is as good as a Maytag in Arnie's hands :-)!

Hi Arnie!!!!!
-- 
____________________
Michael Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
mtucker at uky.edu
____________________


From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Fri Jul  8 08:57:50 2005
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:57:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Anyone like aircraft engines.
References: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1> <42CDE0AF.2050604@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c583d5$cb682540$151c7546@satx.rr.com>

NOTHING like a MERLIN!!!!



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kgw" <gwaugh at wowway.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Anyone like aircraft engines.


> Dave Croft wrote:
> > I will be viewing this engine again in a couple of weeks at Flookborough
but the BBC have
> > taken the pictures for me!
> > See
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cumbria/content/image_galleries/merlin_engine_gallery.shtml?1
> > Make sure you listen to the Audio.
> > Dave Croft
> > Warrington
> > England
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> > _______________________________________________
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> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> Beautiful, and KEWL!!
>
> -- 
> Gene
>
> Gene Waugh
> Elgin, Illinois 60123 USA
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jul  8 09:57:15 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Fri,  8 Jul 2005 12:57:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
In-Reply-To: <p06210201bef44ea2bd58@[128.163.81.76]>
References: <1120829329.42ce7f919c297@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050708103136.04652850@mail.alltel.net>
	<p06210201bef44ea2bd58@[128.163.81.76]>
Message-ID: <1120841835.42ceb06b665d2@webmail.city-net.com>

Cheeky sod!!  Have you been taking lessons from Dolly?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Michael Tucker <mtucker at uky.edu>:

> Come on folks!!!!  Unless Craig completely assembles and starts it, 
> that Bessemer is as good as a Maytag in Arnie's hands :-)!



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul  8 10:24:52 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:24:52 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Anyone like aircraft engines.
In-Reply-To: <001b01c583d5$cb682540$151c7546@satx.rr.com>
References: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1> <42CDE0AF.2050604@wowway.com>
	<001b01c583d5$cb682540$151c7546@satx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605070810246a48ee72@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/8/05, Tom Dunlap <tdunlap at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> NOTHING like a MERLIN!!!!
> 
> 

Don't forget there was the Allison V-1710 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/USAF/Museum13.htm

and it's derivatives, all North American derived and built, and the
double 12 variant:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/USAF/Museum27.htm

(there's one at the Air Force Museum, Dayton, OH)

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From marvhed at ecenet.com  Fri Jul  8 11:00:08 2005
From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:00:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Anyone like aircraft engines.
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605070810246a48ee72@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1> <42CDE0AF.2050604@wowway.com>
	<001b01c583d5$cb682540$151c7546@satx.rr.com>
	<6f60251605070810246a48ee72@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47277.199.62.0.252.1120845608.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>

i've see what they will do in a pulling tractor!
unreal horsepower on the ground :-))

marv in minn

>
> Don't forget there was the Allison V-1710
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/USAF/Museum13.htm
>
> Peter




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  8 11:07:04 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 14:07:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
In-Reply-To: <p06210201bef44ea2bd58@[128.163.81.76]>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F373025DCB12B4E91D1DC6295DB0@phx.gbl>

Hi Arnie, I also bought one of those demand regulators from Jake and he 
promised  me  that a one pound lantern bottle of propane would run mine for 
a week!  Steve

>From: Michael Tucker <mtucker at uky.edu>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
>Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:42:18 -0400
>
>>         With that regulator that you bought from Jake you may not need 
>>more than 20lbs. to run your Bessemer for a long time. Give it a try 
>>before you get a larger tank!
>
>Come on folks!!!!  Unless Craig completely assembles and starts it, that 
>Bessemer is as good as a Maytag in Arnie's hands :-)!
>
>Hi Arnie!!!!!
>--
>____________________
>Michael Tucker
>Midway, Kentucky, USA
>mtucker at uky.edu
>____________________
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From mullt at att.net  Fri Jul  8 11:50:16 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 18:50:16 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Cooling for Fairbanks needed.
Message-ID: <070820051850.23651.42CECAE800020ACD00005C6321603763169B04049A03@att.net>

With all due respect, I don't think the latent heat of vaporization is the appropriate property to consider. 

The latent heat would only be applicable if the water changes phase (from water to steam or vapor). Most water cooling systems recirculate the cooling medium as water.

The issue for the cooler is whether it is a closed system like an automobile radiator or an open system like a cooling tower. If it is a closed system, all of the cooling would be sensible heat. If it is an open system, there would be some evaporative cooling but not equal to the latent heat of the water. If it is an open system, you need to look at the temperature of the water leaving the engine and the wet bulb temperature of the ambient air.

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
> On 7/8/05, Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
> > Guys,
> > At our Cotton Ginning Days meeting last night we discussed several
> > options for cooling our 37 1/2HP Fairbanks semi-diesel used to drive our
> > cotton gin. At the bottom of this link is a picture of the engine:
> > <http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/cottongin.htm>
> > 
> > Since we began using the engine we have just run city water thru it and
> > dumped the water in a ditch nearby. After running for 3 days at our
> > annual show this creates a big mud hole of a mess at one of the
> > entrances to a field folks display engines in.
> > 
> > One of the ideas floated was to acquire a period correct "cooler" to
> > recirculate water to the engine. So I am soliciting for suggestions on
> > what such a device would be and look like. Maybe someone even has one we
> > can use. What would a cooler be? A wooden cooling tower with slats that
> > trickle the water collected in a tank at the bottom? ORA plain wooden
> > tank like this?
> > 
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Illinois%20Oil%20Lease/09.jpg>
> >  OR Something with a fan that creates updraft like you see in industry?
> > 
> > We flow about 3 gallon per minute thru our engine. We really don't use
> > the full HP of the engine and I would estimate we use 1/2 the HP at
> > most. If anyone has suggestions on what would be the best type of period
> > correct cooler, and even better where we can get one, we'd sure like to
> > hear from you.
> > Curt Holland
> > Gastonia, NC
> > Cotton Ginning Days Show Oct 14, 15, and 16th.
> > 
> > P.S. I have estimated a cooling load of 3.3 tons (41000 BTU/hr) for the
> > cooler, so this will be a small unit.
> 
> That's a bit big for a screen cooling setup, and a tank cooling system
> would probably be a bit heavy, but for demo use I would certainly look
> at a screen cooler, and you would need a pump to circulate the water,
> unless you used exhaust pressure to do it.
> 
> Look at the figures for the latent heat of evaporation of water, you'd
> be surprised how little you would need to get the heat out of the
> engine.
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From MBellar at aol.com  Fri Jul  8 11:51:21 2005
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:51:21 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
Message-ID: <127.5fc6a56a.30002529@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/8/2005 2:29:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:

Hi  Arnie, I also bought one of those demand regulators from Jake and he  
promised  me  that a one pound lantern bottle of propane would  run mine for 
a week!  Steve



What is the story on the demand regulator. Source,availability and  cost???
 
Tom


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Fri Jul  8 12:03:51 2005
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:03:51 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT:  London bombings
Message-ID: <vwxBnv3X4szCFwtc@lnc025.dial.nildram.co.uk>

Firstly I'd like to thank all for the expressions of sympathy and 
solidarity.  I'm fairly sure I speak for all of the Brit contingent on 
the list when I say that it is greatly appreciated.

I was prompted to put fingers to keyboard by an article in my local 
newspaper - the Shropshire Star of Friday, July 8, 2005.  There is no 
by-line.

...
'Financial adviser Andy Jones, 38, said he considered staying away today 
but refused to be beaten by the terrorists.  "If it's going to happen, 
it's going to happen.  My wife wasn't too happy about me coming into 
work but it's one of those things.  If you don't come in today, when do 
you come in?  Next week?  Next month?  You just have to get on with 
it."'
...
-- 
Peter Scales



From todengine at zoominternet.net  Fri Jul  8 12:27:18 2005
From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:27:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT:  London bombings
References: <vwxBnv3X4szCFwtc@lnc025.dial.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <007101c583f3$0e0cab10$365bef18@pengy>

The world needs more people like Andy Jones, and less of those linguini 
spined saps who cry that the sky is falling every time something like this 
happens.

This attack is NOTHING compared to the Blitz!  Is this the best that 
AlQuieda can do?  I definately think we are winning this war on terrorism.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Scales" <peter at loud-n-clear.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 3:03 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT: London bombings


> Firstly I'd like to thank all for the expressions of sympathy and 
> solidarity.  I'm fairly sure I speak for all of the Brit contingent on the 
> list when I say that it is greatly appreciated.
>
> I was prompted to put fingers to keyboard by an article in my local 
> newspaper - the Shropshire Star of Friday, July 8, 2005.  There is no 
> by-line.
>
> ...
> 'Financial adviser Andy Jones, 38, said he considered staying away today 
> but refused to be beaten by the terrorists.  "If it's going to happen, 
> it's going to happen.  My wife wasn't too happy about me coming into work 
> but it's one of those things.  If you don't come in today, when do you 
> come in?  Next week?  Next month?  You just have to get on with it."'
> ...
> -- 
> Peter Scales
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Fri Jul  8 12:44:44 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 12:44:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
References: <127.5fc6a56a.30002529@aol.com>
Message-ID: <016301c583f5$7f227d00$c1436e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

I need a demand regulator, who is Jake and how do I get hold of him?
Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <MBellar at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank



In a message dated 7/8/2005 2:29:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:

Hi  Arnie, I also bought one of those demand regulators from Jake and he
promised  me  that a one pound lantern bottle of propane would  run mine for
a week!  Steve



What is the story on the demand regulator. Source,availability and  cost???

Tom
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SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Fri Jul  8 15:47:49 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 15:47:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Casting Filler
In-Reply-To: <1f2.d434b09.2fffc556@aol.com>
References: <1f2.d434b09.2fffc556@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050708154638.01a8f9b0@mail.pennswoods.net>

Guess so Tom. But i did not think any of them lasted the last 30 years. ha ha
R Fink




At 08:02 AM 7/8/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 7/7/2005 9:45:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>nancydick at pennswoods.net writes:
>
><< Get the patching
>  plaster that is dry powder form and mix it with paint thinner what ever
>  kind you are going to use fill the area sand off and walla good filler real
>  cheap >>
>
>
>Geesh Richard, no wonder all of my automobile body repairs did not hold up!
>Guess I got what I paid for!
>
>Tom Schmutz
>Concord, Va. USA
>Germoamer at aol.com
>_______________________________________________
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From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jul  8 12:57:29 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 15:57:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cooling for Fairbanks needed.
In-Reply-To: <070820051850.23651.42CECAE800020ACD00005C6321603763169B04049A03@att.net>
References: <070820051850.23651.42CECAE800020ACD00005C6321603763169B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <42CEDAA9.80800@imc-group.com>

Tom, Peter,
Might be that latent heat operating mode is appropriate. I called one of 
our old club members who has the one copy of the original literature in 
our club and he recalls the proper operating temperature as about 210?F. 
I am planning on going to his place on Saturday to read the literature 
and confirm this. If the water is leaving the engine near the boiling 
point we can certainly get a LOT of cooling from evaporation as we 
trickle it over a screen or similar device. Rob has suggested an 
elevated wood tank and I think that would be a neat looking addition to 
our engine building. A simple cone spray nozzle returning the hot water 
to the tank would generate a substantial amount of cooling.
I've located a belt driven brass pump for circulating the water too.
Keep the ideas coming.
Curt

mullt at att.net wrote:

>With all due respect, I don't think the latent heat of vaporization is the appropriate property to consider. 
>
>The latent heat would only be applicable if the water changes phase (from water to steam or vapor). Most water cooling systems recirculate the cooling medium as water.
>
>The issue for the cooler is whether it is a closed system like an automobile radiator or an open system like a cooling tower. If it is a closed system, all of the cooling would be sensible heat. If it is an open system, there would be some evaporative cooling but not equal to the latent heat of the water. If it is an open system, you need to look at the temperature of the water leaving the engine and the wet bulb temperature of the ambient air.
>
>Tom in St. Louis
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
>  
>
>>On 7/8/05, Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Guys,
>>>At our Cotton Ginning Days meeting last night we discussed several
>>>options for cooling our 37 1/2HP Fairbanks semi-diesel used to drive our
>>>cotton gin. At the bottom of this link is a picture of the engine:
>>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/cottongin.htm>
>>>
>>>Since we began using the engine we have just run city water thru it and
>>>dumped the water in a ditch nearby. After running for 3 days at our
>>>annual show this creates a big mud hole of a mess at one of the
>>>entrances to a field folks display engines in.
>>>
>>>One of the ideas floated was to acquire a period correct "cooler" to
>>>recirculate water to the engine. So I am soliciting for suggestions on
>>>what such a device would be and look like. Maybe someone even has one we
>>>can use. What would a cooler be? A wooden cooling tower with slats that
>>>trickle the water collected in a tank at the bottom? ORA plain wooden
>>>tank like this?
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Illinois%20Oil%20Lease/09.jpg>
>>    
>>
>>> OR Something with a fan that creates updraft like you see in industry?
>>>
>>>We flow about 3 gallon per minute thru our engine. We really don't use
>>>the full HP of the engine and I would estimate we use 1/2 the HP at
>>>most. If anyone has suggestions on what would be the best type of period
>>>correct cooler, and even better where we can get one, we'd sure like to
>>>hear from you.
>>>Curt Holland
>>>Gastonia, NC
>>>Cotton Ginning Days Show Oct 14, 15, and 16th.
>>>
>>>P.S. I have estimated a cooling load of 3.3 tons (41000 BTU/hr) for the
>>>cooler, so this will be a small unit.
>>>      
>>>
>>That's a bit big for a screen cooling setup, and a tank cooling system
>>would probably be a bit heavy, but for demo use I would certainly look
>>at a screen cooler, and you would need a pump to circulate the water,
>>unless you used exhaust pressure to do it.
>>
>>Look at the figures for the latent heat of evaporation of water, you'd
>>be surprised how little you would need to get the heat out of the
>>engine.
>>
>>Peter
>>-- 
>>Peter A Forbes
>>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>>
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  8 13:48:02 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 16:48:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
In-Reply-To: <127.5fc6a56a.30002529@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F29C346F2E8B3B51CCCF43F95DB0@phx.gbl>

Hi Tom, Jake Faith is the gentleman who keeps the show running smoothly at 
Cool Spring Power Museum. This year he had for sale a set up for running 
engines on propane consisting of the low pressure regulator, hoses and the 
demand regulator with instructions. I don't have his e-mail but Dave or 
Arnie surely will have it. I don't know if he sold them all or if he will be 
making any more in the future.  I'll try and find out.   Steve

>From: MBellar at aol.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
>Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:51:21 EDT
>
>
>>
>What is the story on the demand regulator. Source,availability and  cost???
>
>Tom
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jul  8 14:07:18 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:07:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger/now On Demand Regulator
In-Reply-To: <127.5fc6a56a.30002529@aol.com>
References: <127.5fc6a56a.30002529@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050708170129.044ddc60@mail.alltel.net>


>What is the story on the demand regulator. Source,availability and  cost???
>Tom

Jake Faith is selling them for $100.00. That's complete with everything 
that you will need to hook it up. Shipping is around $20.00. Jake will have 
them at the fall Coolspring show.
         Dave
PS, If you need one before the show (or will not make the fall Coolspring 
show) I'll post Jake's phone # and snail to the List in several weeks (if 
asked.) Jake's mother died three days ago, so I think we should leave him 
alone for several weeks!



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jul  8 14:15:36 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:15:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F29C346F2E8B3B51CCCF43F95DB0@phx.gbl>
References: <127.5fc6a56a.30002529@aol.com>
	<BAY108-F29C346F2E8B3B51CCCF43F95DB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050708170741.04682210@mail.alltel.net>

At 04:48 PM 7/8/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Tom, Jake Faith is the gentleman who keeps the show running smoothly at 
>Cool Spring Power Museum. This year he had for sale a set up for running 
>engines on propane consisting of the low pressure regulator, hoses and the 
>demand regulator with instructions. I don't have his e-mail but Dave or 
>Arnie surely will have it. I don't know if he sold them all or if he will 
>be making any more in the future.  I'll try and find out.   Steve

Hi Steve,
         Jake's "e-mail?" You have to be kidding! Jake still uses a black 
rotary phone. It was only in 1999 that the government found his house and 
assigned it a number. Hell, Jake still has no running water and takes a 
bath in the creek each Monday evening whether he needs it or not. (November 
through April he has to break the ice with a MAYTAG in order to bath!) And 
you want his e-mail?
         Dave
PS, All the regulators were sold--but Jake has another 20 on the way! 



From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jul  8 14:27:59 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:27:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Propane
Message-ID: <20050708.172838.1276.4.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Arnie,

I forgot to mention - about the larger Propane Tanks - 

The larger ones do not require the OPD valve.
That OPD is just for dummies using grills.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From lsain33 at charter.net  Fri Jul  8 17:14:05 2005
From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:14:05 -0400
Subject: OT  :  Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
References: <127.5fc6a56a.30002529@aol.com><BAY108-F29C346F2E8B3B51CCCF43F95DB0@phx.gbl>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050708170741.04682210@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <014e01c5841b$1ec2bf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>

See Dave, another good use for a Maytag!

Larry in NC

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank


> At 04:48 PM 7/8/2005, you wrote:
> >Hi Tom, Jake Faith is the gentleman who keeps the show running smoothly
at
> >Cool Spring Power Museum. This year he had for sale a set up for running
> >engines on propane consisting of the low pressure regulator, hoses and
the
> >demand regulator with instructions. I don't have his e-mail but Dave or
> >Arnie surely will have it. I don't know if he sold them all or if he will
> >be making any more in the future.  I'll try and find out.   Steve
>
> Hi Steve,
>          Jake's "e-mail?" You have to be kidding! Jake still uses a black
> rotary phone. It was only in 1999 that the government found his house and
> assigned it a number. Hell, Jake still has no running water and takes a
> bath in the creek each Monday evening whether he needs it or not.
(November
> through April he has to break the ice with a MAYTAG in order to bath!) And
> you want his e-mail?
>          Dave
> PS, All the regulators were sold--but Jake has another 20 on the way!
>
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From bboyce at swat.coop  Fri Jul  8 18:20:15 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:20:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
References: <1120829329.42ce7f919c297@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <005901c58424$5e0d82c0$6401a8c0@BillyBob>


> See ya,  Arnie
>
> PS - I should be picking up the cylinder & piston this weekend so barking 
> time
> isn't far away!!!
>
>
Arnie,,,
i;m guessing you have a dedicated trailer for your bessie, so, here's an 
idea to consider,,,
the fuel tank for our 15  hp reid is a pick-up truck propane tank that's 
mounted permanently
at the front of our trailer,,i'm not sure of the size, but its in the 50 
gallon area,,, we have 2 vapor
hoses from the tank,,both independent of each other,,,one for the hot tube, 
the other for the engine, and a regulator for both,, the hot tube regulator 
is of the "thumb adjustable" type, it works nicely for regulating the 
flame,,,, in the beginning, we used the smaller tanks, but when i bought a 
new trailer for the engine, i mounted the big tank, and its really been a 
nice improvment, and a time saver too,,,,,we make several shows on one fill 
up,,,, all pick-up tanks i;ve seen have mounting brackets on each side and 
this made mounting to the  side rails of the trailer a snap,,,,
  since propane is not near as popular as it used to be, i'd be that a few 
calls to local propane gas dealers would find a tank, and at a decent 
price,,,,,,,, if you'd like, i can send some pictures of our set up, just 
let me know,,,
good luck,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas 




From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Fri Jul  8 20:59:48 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 13:59:48 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Need parts for Maytag '92
Message-ID: <42CF4BB4.1030606@steamengine.com.au>

I have a Maytag 1930 model 92 long base I am restoring. I need some parts.

I need: * return spring for kick pedal * a brass ball for the check 
valve * air valve and spring for carby * washer for air valve retainer * 
caution plate * decals * muffler

I've sent a message to Bob of Bob's Small Engine Repairs 
http://www.bser.com/ - does anyone know this guy? Is he on the list?

ps. shut up Dave - I bought this from you after the 2001 ATIS auction - 
remember?

Paul
-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


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From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jul  9 02:17:21 2005
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 18:47:21 +0930
Subject: [SEL] petersons listing
Message-ID: <000501c58467$035c5d90$19c08890@chaos>

http://www.nixonauctioneers.com/listings/peterson.html



From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jul  9 02:27:04 2005
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 18:57:04 +0930
Subject: [SEL] petersons listing
References: <000501c58467$035c5d90$19c08890@chaos>
Message-ID: <000c01c58468$5e95fbc0$19c08890@chaos>

better to look here , more listings

http://www.nixonauctioneers.com/


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From: "derek" <djohn2 at bigpond.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 6:47 PM
Subject: [SEL] petersons listing


> http://www.nixonauctioneers.com/listings/peterson.html
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Jul  9 03:22:30 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:22:30 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need parts for Maytag '92
Message-ID: <070920051022.353.42CFA566000128700000016121979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Paul,
Yes I know Bob and have bought items from him many times.  His prices usually 
are better then most of the others.  Normally he is around his shop during the 
week in evening hours.  He sets up at most of the larger shows I will be 
attending.  How can I help?
Curt


> I have a Maytag 1930 model 92 long base I am restoring. I need some parts.
> 
> I need: * return spring for kick pedal * a brass ball for the check 
> valve * air valve and spring for carby * washer for air valve retainer * 
> caution plate * decals * muffler
> 
> I've sent a message to Bob of Bob's Small Engine Repairs 
> http://www.bser.com/ - does anyone know this guy? Is he on the list?
> 
> ps. shut up Dave - I bought this from you after the 2001 ATIS auction - 
> remember?
> 
> Paul
> -- 
> 
> pjp at steamengine.com.au
> Emerald, Victoria, Australia
> www.steamengine.com.au
> 
> 
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Sat Jul  9 04:24:50 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 04:24:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Need parts for Maytag '92
In-Reply-To: <070920051022.353.42CFA566000128700000016121979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@m
	chsi.com>
References: <070920051022.353.42CFA566000128700000016121979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <62869.167.142.21.251.1120908290.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

I'll probably see him this next weekend at Waukee.
(and see some other parts in the flee market)

Bill


> Paul,
> Yes I know Bob and have bought items from him many times.  His prices
> usually
> are better then most of the others.  Normally he is around his shop during
> the
> week in evening hours.  He sets up at most of the larger shows I will be
> attending.  How can I help?
> Curt
>
>
>> I have a Maytag 1930 model 92 long base I am restoring. I need some
>> parts.
>>
>> I need: * return spring for kick pedal * a brass ball for the check
>> valve * air valve and spring for carby * washer for air valve retainer *
>> caution plate * decals * muffler
>>
>> I've sent a message to Bob of Bob's Small Engine Repairs
>> http://www.bser.com/ - does anyone know this guy? Is he on the list?
>>
>> ps. shut up Dave - I bought this from you after the 2001 ATIS auction -
>> remember?
>>
>> Paul
>> --
>>
>> pjp at steamengine.com.au
>> Emerald, Victoria, Australia
>> www.steamengine.com.au
>>
>>
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From bboyce at swat.coop  Sat Jul  9 06:12:17 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 08:12:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT,, need phone # for Leo Vriesekoop
Message-ID: <004a01c58487$d531a8a0$6401a8c0@BillyBob>

does anyone have a phone # or email addy for Leo Vriesekoop? he is a collector in arizona,,,,a whitepages.com search didnt turn up anything,,,
thanks for any help,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

From christison at coastalnet.com  Sat Jul  9 06:48:45 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 09:48:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT,, need phone # for Leo Vriesekoop
Message-ID: <410-22005769134845656@coastalnet.com>

Google brought this up:
http://www.edgeta.org/oldsite/brnch121.htm

Take care.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Bill Boyce <bboyce at swat.coop>
> To: stationary engine list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 7/9/2005 9:42:07 AM
> Subject: [SEL] OT,, need phone # for Leo Vriesekoop
>
> does anyone have a phone # or email addy for Leo Vriesekoop? he is a
collector in arizona,,,,a whitepages.com search didnt turn up anything,,,
> thanks for any help,,
> bill boyce
> lost prairie, arkansas





From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sat Jul  9 07:05:51 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:05:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050708170741.04682210@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F2972D82F0858906AC578495DA0@phx.gbl>

Dave, What was I thinking!   Does he use the Ivory soap or is it just for 
keeping in his socks? Steve

>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
>Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:15:36 -0400
>
>At 04:48 PM 7/8/2005, you wrote:
>>Hi Tom, Jake Faith is the gentleman who keeps the show running smoothly at 
>>Cool Spring Power Museum. This year he had for sale a set up for running 
>>engines on propane consisting of the low pressure regulator, hoses and the 
>>demand regulator with instructions. I don't have his e-mail but Dave or 
>>Arnie surely will have it. I don't know if he sold them all or if he will 
>>be making any more in the future.  I'll try and find out.   Steve
>
>Hi Steve,
>         Jake's "e-mail?" You have to be kidding! Jake still uses a black 
>rotary phone. It was only in 1999 that the government found his house and 
>assigned it a number. Hell, Jake still has no running water and takes a 
>bath in the creek each Monday evening whether he needs it or not. (November 
>through April he has to break the ice with a MAYTAG in order to bath!) And 
>you want his e-mail?
>         Dave
>PS, All the regulators were sold--but Jake has another 20 on the way!
>
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jul  9 04:25:13 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:25:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Need parts for Maytag '92
References: <070920051022.353.42CFA566000128700000016121979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <002601c58478$dfe4c160$e7a7ecdc@morris>

G'Day Paul

In case our evil one is otherwise engaged, I must remind you this is a 
ENGINE list so would suggest you put OT in the subject line, I assume there 
is a list dedicated to the smelly, smoky motors. 8-))
Good to see you working on your RH ENGINE
Have a good day


8-))
Kerry 



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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jul  9 07:21:05 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat,  9 Jul 2005 10:21:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Need parts for Maytag '92
In-Reply-To: <002401c59bee$8b43df50$fa4c1152@no1>
References: <42CF4BB4.1030606@steamengine.com.au>
	<002401c59bee$8b43df50$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <1120918865.42cfdd51cd166@webmail.city-net.com>

Paul, Just remember, the ONLY part you need to fix a Maytag is an AXE!!

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>:

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Pavlinovich" <pjp at steamengine.com.au>
> > I have a Maytag 1930 model 92 long base I am restoring. I need some parts.
> 
> Hi Paul, just to remind you how sweet they look running, here
> is a picture of one at the 1000 engine 2 weeks ago.
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/390192888rfiJzY
> Dave Croft



From rexhinz at chorus.net  Sat Jul  9 07:37:21 2005
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 09:37:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <001d01c58493$b9c324c0$0e86a5d8@mycomputer>

TESTING 1,  2 , 3  



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jul  9 07:50:06 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:50:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F2972D82F0858906AC578495DA0@phx.gbl>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050708170741.04682210@mail.alltel.net>
	<BAY108-F2972D82F0858906AC578495DA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050709104858.0224a250@mail.alltel.net>

Jake typically uses the ivory soap the way some others use a potato!
         Dave

At 10:05 AM 7/9/2005, you wrote:
>Dave, What was I thinking!   Does he use the Ivory soap or is it just for 
>keeping in his socks? Steve
>
>>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
>>Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:15:36 -0400
>>
>>At 04:48 PM 7/8/2005, you wrote:
>>>Hi Tom, Jake Faith is the gentleman who keeps the show running smoothly 
>>>at Cool Spring Power Museum. This year he had for sale a set up for 
>>>running engines on propane consisting of the low pressure regulator, 
>>>hoses and the demand regulator with instructions. I don't have his 
>>>e-mail but Dave or Arnie surely will have it. I don't know if he sold 
>>>them all or if he will be making any more in the future.  I'll try and 
>>>find out.   Steve
>>
>>Hi Steve,
>>         Jake's "e-mail?" You have to be kidding! Jake still uses a black 
>> rotary phone. It was only in 1999 that the government found his house 
>> and assigned it a number. Hell, Jake still has no running water and 
>> takes a bath in the creek each Monday evening whether he needs it or 
>> not. (November through April he has to break the ice with a MAYTAG in 
>> order to bath!) And you want his e-mail?
>>         Dave
>>PS, All the regulators were sold--but Jake has another 20 on the way!
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jul  9 07:55:35 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:55:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need parts for Maytag '92
In-Reply-To: <42CF4BB4.1030606@steamengine.com.au>
References: <42CF4BB4.1030606@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050709105412.0225c640@mail.alltel.net>


>ps. shut up Dave - I bought this from you after the 2001 ATIS auction - 
>remember?
>
>Paul

And it was the best AU$0.26 that you ever spent--even though I overcharged you!
         Dave 



From oldengin at udata.com  Sat Jul  9 07:57:49 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:57:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Findlay show Aug. 4, 5, 6, 7th
In-Reply-To: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1>
References: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <42CFE5ED.2070204@udata.com>

Gday
    Well here it is close to time for the local show to be going on and
I have been given the entire river front! yes the whole thing, so here
is the deal, I need some engins to fill the front. Along with the fine
people to go with them. I have heard from a few different people looking
to make this show and am looking for more. I can even point you to the
spot where Arnie spent the night cutting lumber 8-) and maybe he will
share the fine melon and sweet corn they feed him, keep wanting him
back? ( cheap entertainment maybe). Findlay does offer some steam and
them ridding things, off into another direction green is the flavor this
year, and a fair amount of engins. I plan to have a couple for show ,
you all know mine do not run. They also have a good selection of food
and a bunch of flea market items, I did hear of a couple tool guys are
coming in for a visit and a few engin vendors.. Bob B. has promised to
show off his fine bike riding  experience again on the bridge ( worth
watching), it will make you fall down.
So if you need something to do here in a few weeks keep me in mind as I
need to fill the river section!

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark






From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  9 09:52:20 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 09:52:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] England will be invading Buckley
Message-ID: <20050709165220.23739.qmail@web31304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That is the news we got at the monthly club meeting last night.
We were told there would be two tour busses loaded with English folks visiting our show this year.
Anyone on the list gonna be included???

My guess is those same two busses will show up at Portland the next week.

We are very pleased and I sure hope they enjoy the show.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan


		
____________________________________________________
Sell on Yahoo! Auctions ? no fees. Bid on great items.  
http://auctions.yahoo.com/


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jul  9 11:08:56 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat,  9 Jul 2005 14:08:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Findlay show Aug. 4, 5, 6, 7th
In-Reply-To: <42CFE5ED.2070204@udata.com>
References: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1> <42CFE5ED.2070204@udata.com>
Message-ID: <1120932536.42d012b82baa5@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Let me add a couple of comments to Leroy's.  I first attended a good number of
years ago.  The organizers made me feel so welcome as an exhibitor that I swore
to make this show one of my "must do" events.  And they've made me feel the
same way every year since.  It is a great show.  As Leroy said they put on a
sweet corn and melon feast for exhibitors that is to die for.  The showgrounds
food is EXCELLENT (just avoid the shredded pigion sandwich no matter what Leroy
sez).  Leroy's riverfront setup location is fantastic.  The range of engines on
exhibit is pretty amazing.  Lots of rare engines and LOTS of oilfield engines. 
If you've never been, make a decision to attend this year.  You won't be
sorry.

See ya there!  Arnie

PS - They even provide free gas for your engines!

Quoting "Leroy C." <oldengin at udata.com>:

>     Well here it is close to time for the local show to be going on and
> I have been given the entire river front! yes the whole thing, so here
> is the deal, I need some engins to fill the front. Along with the fine
> people to go with them. I have heard from a few different people looking
> to make this show and am looking for more. I can even point you to the
> spot where Arnie spent the night cutting lumber 8-) and maybe he will
> share the fine melon and sweet corn they feed him, keep wanting him
> back? ( cheap entertainment maybe). Findlay does offer some steam and
> them ridding things, off into another direction green is the flavor this
> year, and a fair amount of engins. I plan to have a couple for show ,
> you all know mine do not run. They also have a good selection of food
> and a bunch of flea market items, I did hear of a couple tool guys are
> coming in for a visit and a few engin vendors.. Bob B. has promised to
> show off his fine bike riding  experience again on the bridge ( worth
> watching), it will make you fall down.
> So if you need something to do here in a few weeks keep me in mind as I
> need to fill the river section!



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Jul  9 11:50:14 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 14:50:14 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Need parts for Maytag '92
Message-ID: <104.64b465f5.30017666@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/9/2005 12:28:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
pjp at steamengine.com.au writes:

<< I need: * return spring for kick pedal * a brass ball for the check 
 valve * air valve and spring for carby * washer for air valve retainer * 
 caution plate * decals * muffle >>


Contact GEM advertiser
Simpson Motors
Buffton, Ohio
419-369-4665
9-4pm, 7-10pm, Mon-Sat

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From svsuzanne at copper.net  Sat Jul  9 12:01:04 2005
From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 15:01:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Test
References: <001d01c58493$b9c324c0$0e86a5d8@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <002001c584b8$90458050$4279e93f@your6wz9c9s4x1>

5X5
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Hinz" <rexhinz at chorus.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 10:37 AM
Subject: [SEL] Test


> TESTING 1,  2 , 3  
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
>


From rexhinz at chorus.net  Fri Jul  8 18:30:43 2005
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:30:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
References: <127.5fc6a56a.30002529@aol.com><BAY108-F29C346F2E8B3B51CCCF43F95DB0@phx.gbl>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050708170741.04682210@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <001a01c58425$d72527c0$3686a5d8@mycomputer>

Hey Dave! ;

    Would a Maytag run on propane ? Just think-- no oil to mix , no dead
grass, not much smoke and your fellow displayer would actualy talk to you ,
I have a on demand regulator system and you have to run it off the vapor
side of the tank as its off an air cooled engine and no hot water to
vaporize the liquid LP,  the tank is an industrial forlk lift tank with a
choice of liquid of vapor depending on what connection your output is on,  I
ran a 18 Hp Honda Vangard engine wirh it but converted it to gasoline.

  Rex Hinz
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank


> At 04:48 PM 7/8/2005, you wrote:
> >Hi Tom, Jake Faith is the gentleman who keeps the show running smoothly
at
> >Cool Spring Power Museum. This year he had for sale a set up for running
> >engines on propane consisting of the low pressure regulator, hoses and
the
> >demand regulator with instructions. I don't have his e-mail but Dave or
> >Arnie surely will have it. I don't know if he sold them all or if he will
> >be making any more in the future.  I'll try and find out.   Steve
>
> Hi Steve,
>          Jake's "e-mail?" You have to be kidding! Jake still uses a black
> rotary phone. It was only in 1999 that the government found his house and
> assigned it a number. Hell, Jake still has no running water and takes a
> bath in the creek each Monday evening whether he needs it or not.
(November
> through April he has to break the ice with a MAYTAG in order to bath!) And
> you want his e-mail?
>          Dave
> PS, All the regulators were sold--but Jake has another 20 on the way!
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From rexhinz at chorus.net  Fri Jul  8 18:42:59 2005
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:42:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
Message-ID: <003f01c58427$8c09a340$3686a5d8@mycomputer>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Hinz" <rexhinz at chorus.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank


> Hey Dave! ;
>
>     Would a Maytag run on propane ? Just think-- no oil to mix , no dead
> grass, not much smoke and your fellow displayer would actualy talk to you
,
> I have a on demand regulator system and you have to run it off the vapor
> side of the tank as its off an air cooled engine and no hot water to
> vaporize the liquid LP,  the tank is an industrial forlk lift tank with a
> choice of liquid of vapor depending on what connection your output is on,
I
> ran a 18 Hp Honda Vangard engine wirh it but converted it to gasoline.
>
>   Rex Hinz
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
>
>
> > At 04:48 PM 7/8/2005, you wrote:
> > >Hi Tom, Jake Faith is the gentleman who keeps the show running smoothly
> at
> > >Cool Spring Power Museum. This year he had for sale a set up for
running
> > >engines on propane consisting of the low pressure regulator, hoses and
> the
> > >demand regulator with instructions. I don't have his e-mail but Dave or
> > >Arnie surely will have it. I don't know if he sold them all or if he
will
> > >be making any more in the future.  I'll try and find out.   Steve
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> >          Jake's "e-mail?" You have to be kidding! Jake still uses a
black
> > rotary phone. It was only in 1999 that the government found his house
and
> > assigned it a number. Hell, Jake still has no running water and takes a
> > bath in the creek each Monday evening whether he needs it or not.
> (November
> > through April he has to break the ice with a MAYTAG in order to bath!)
And
> > you want his e-mail?
> >          Dave
> > PS, All the regulators were sold--but Jake has another 20 on the way!
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>




From rexhinz at chorus.net  Fri Jul  8 18:39:35 2005
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:39:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
Message-ID: <002501c58427$12be0080$3686a5d8@mycomputer>

My Mistake , Vangard is Briggs The Honda is an 18 HP V-Twin , It ran too hot
on the propane and was burning valves and I couldn't get enough LP to the
carb to make it run cooler.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Hinz" <rexhinz at chorus.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank


> Hey Dave! ;
>
>     Would a Maytag run on propane ? Just think-- no oil to mix , no dead
> grass, not much smoke and your fellow displayer would actualy talk to you
,
> I have a on demand regulator system and you have to run it off the vapor
> side of the tank as its off an air cooled engine and no hot water to
> vaporize the liquid LP,  the tank is an industrial forlk lift tank with a
> choice of liquid of vapor depending on what connection your output is on,
I
> ran a 18 Hp Honda Vangard engine wirh it but converted it to gasoline.
>
>   Rex Hinz
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
>
>
> > At 04:48 PM 7/8/2005, you wrote:
> > >Hi Tom, Jake Faith is the gentleman who keeps the show running smoothly
> at
> > >Cool Spring Power Museum. This year he had for sale a set up for
running
> > >engines on propane consisting of the low pressure regulator, hoses and
> the
> > >demand regulator with instructions. I don't have his e-mail but Dave or
> > >Arnie surely will have it. I don't know if he sold them all or if he
will
> > >be making any more in the future.  I'll try and find out.   Steve
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> >          Jake's "e-mail?" You have to be kidding! Jake still uses a
black
> > rotary phone. It was only in 1999 that the government found his house
and
> > assigned it a number. Hell, Jake still has no running water and takes a
> > bath in the creek each Monday evening whether he needs it or not.
> (November
> > through April he has to break the ice with a MAYTAG in order to bath!)
And
> > you want his e-mail?
> >          Dave
> > PS, All the regulators were sold--but Jake has another 20 on the way!
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>




From solarrog at pacbell.net  Sat Jul  9 13:41:01 2005
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 13:41:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
References: <002501c58427$12be0080$3686a5d8@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <02b601c584c6$856b25f0$01f1af40@D6R3D961>

It will run till the existing oil disburses then it will size up and become 
junk. Gasoline is what spreads the oil where it is needed.
Its kind of like the 10,000 to one ratio the Dave uses. Im sure that works 
just as effective

Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate,
The Realty Experts
Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc
Collector of antique engines
Website; scrapologist.com
Ham Radio; KG6QKZ
Fremont,Ca
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Hinz" <rexhinz at chorus.net>
To: "Rex Hinz" <rexhinz at chorus.net>; "The SEL email discussion list" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank


> My Mistake , Vangard is Briggs The Honda is an 18 HP V-Twin , It ran too 
> hot
> on the propane and was burning valves and I couldn't get enough LP to the
> carb to make it run cooler.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rex Hinz" <rexhinz at chorus.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 8:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
>
>
>> Hey Dave! ;
>>
>>     Would a Maytag run on propane ? Just think-- no oil to mix , no dead
>> grass, not much smoke and your fellow displayer would actualy talk to you
> ,
>> I have a on demand regulator system and you have to run it off the vapor
>> side of the tank as its off an air cooled engine and no hot water to
>> vaporize the liquid LP,  the tank is an industrial forlk lift tank with a
>> choice of liquid of vapor depending on what connection your output is on,
> I
>> ran a 18 Hp Honda Vangard engine wirh it but converted it to gasoline.
>>
>>   Rex Hinz
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
>>
>>
>> > At 04:48 PM 7/8/2005, you wrote:
>> > >Hi Tom, Jake Faith is the gentleman who keeps the show running 
>> > >smoothly
>> at
>> > >Cool Spring Power Museum. This year he had for sale a set up for
> running
>> > >engines on propane consisting of the low pressure regulator, hoses and
>> the
>> > >demand regulator with instructions. I don't have his e-mail but Dave 
>> > >or
>> > >Arnie surely will have it. I don't know if he sold them all or if he
> will
>> > >be making any more in the future.  I'll try and find out.   Steve
>> >
>> > Hi Steve,
>> >          Jake's "e-mail?" You have to be kidding! Jake still uses a
> black
>> > rotary phone. It was only in 1999 that the government found his house
> and
>> > assigned it a number. Hell, Jake still has no running water and takes a
>> > bath in the creek each Monday evening whether he needs it or not.
>> (November
>> > through April he has to break the ice with a MAYTAG in order to bath!)
> And
>> > you want his e-mail?
>> >          Dave
>> > PS, All the regulators were sold--but Jake has another 20 on the way!
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Jul  9 14:04:17 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 17:04:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need parts for Maytag '92
Message-ID: <20050709.171534.812.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Paul,

I've purchased parts and had work done by Mark Shulaw.
He'a a list member and does fantastic work.
frappi at wcoil.com


Prices are as good as anyone.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
\/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From bill at antique-engines.com  Sat Jul  9 14:24:26 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 16:24:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need parts for Maytag '92
In-Reply-To: <104.64b465f5.30017666@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200507092124.j69LOVLg098257@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Simpson is a good guy - I dealt with him since about 1977. Has a LOT of
stuff.
He always treated me more than fair, at least back then. Unless he's sold
the business - back then he tried to get me to buy him out. He used to be in
Virginia, I believe?

Bill 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:50 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need parts for Maytag '92

In a message dated 7/9/2005 12:28:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
pjp at steamengine.com.au writes:

<< I need: * return spring for kick pedal * a brass ball for the check
valve * air valve and spring for carby * washer for air valve retainer *
caution plate * decals * muffle >>


Contact GEM advertiser
Simpson Motors
Buffton, Ohio
419-369-4665
9-4pm, 7-10pm, Mon-Sat

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel






From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jul  9 14:30:08 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 22:30:08 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Burford Vintage Rally (UK)
Message-ID: <6f602516050709143035c6d16f@mail.gmail.com>

We spent a few hours at Burford this morning, most of the regular crew
were there, the engines seemed a bit lacking this year compared with
last, although there were some nice small hp engines to charm your
wallet open.

Stalls were also less good than last year, something that seems to be
pretty much common to most rallies we have attened this year, which is
a pity as a good set of junk stalls makes for an interesting rummage!

We went on to Chipping Norton afterwards and had a browse through one
of our regular secondhand bookshops and spent a few bob there instead
:-))

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Burford05/Burford051.htm

I have yet to adjust the main menu figures, but I think we have topped
the 3000 viewable pages mark for the first time.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jul  9 15:56:51 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 18:56:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Anyone like aircraft engines.
In-Reply-To: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1>
References: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <dbccfc9b8195b1318958664e24c255cf@chartertn.net>

That is really cool!

One mistake they made twice is "showing six of the twelve exhaust  
ports." It's got 24 exhaust ports, often as in this case using stub  
exhaust manifolds that each cover two ports.

John

On Aug 6, 2005, at 7:32 PM, Dave Croft wrote:

> I will be viewing this engine again in a couple of weeks at  
> Flookborough but the BBC have
> taken the pictures for me!
> See  
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/cumbria/content/image_galleries/ 
> merlin_engine_gallery.shtml?1
> Make sure you listen to the Audio.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jul  9 16:05:37 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:05:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cooling for Fairbanks needed.
In-Reply-To: <42CE992C.4070301@imc-group.com>
References: <42CE992C.4070301@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <c975753920b624c7700a8ee66708ea26@chartertn.net>

> One of the ideas floated was to acquire a period correct "cooler" to  
> recirculate water to the engine. So I am soliciting for suggestions on  
> what such a device would be and look like. Maybe someone even has one  
> we can use. What would a cooler be? A wooden cooling tower with slats  
> that trickle the water collected in a tank at the bottom? ORA plain  
> wooden tank like this?  
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/ 
> Illinois%20Oil%20Lease/09.jpg>
> OR Something with a fan that creates updraft like you see in industry?

A big wooden barrel of water on the roof is what my dad told me cooled  
the big F-M powering the ice plant in the town near the farm he grew up  
on in Alabama. Thermosiphon cooling will work fine with pipes just  
running into the bottom of such a container, separated fairly widely.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Jul  9 17:10:33 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:10:33 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Need parts for Maytag '92
Message-ID: <206.4a73bb8.3001c179@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/9/2005 5:43:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
bill at antique-engines.com writes:

<< He used to be in
 Virginia, I believe? >>

Simpson used to live near Lynchburg, Va., but has since moved to Ohio due to 
the local county tax assessor hassling him. It got so bad the man wanted to 
come into his home and assess jewelry.  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jul  9 20:06:02 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:06:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] JD 160 Garden tractor question
Message-ID: <20050709.200603.1548.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  I am playing with a JD 160 garden tractor, trying to get the
keyed ignition switch to start the engine.  I have power to the switch,
when I turn the key to run I have power to another terminal.  But when I
turn it to start, no other terminals get power.  I know there is a safety
switch so it will only start in neutral, and possibly a safety switch in
the seat.  But surely when the key is turned to start the ignition switch
soul send power out to somewhere.  This is a new JD switch, the old
switch did the same thing that is why it was replaced.  Any suggestions
appreciated.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jul  9 20:13:47 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:13:47 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Burford Vintage Rally (UK)
Message-ID: <20050709.201348.1548.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Peter.  
Nice pictures, I can't get a large picture of:( Original Ruston & Hornsby
in working condition. Flick mag. ) when I click on the thumbnail.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 22:30:08 +0100 Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
writes:
> We spent a few hours at Burford this morning, most of the regular 
> crew
> were there, the engines seemed a bit lacking this year compared with
> last, although there were some nice small hp engines to charm your
> wallet open.
> 
> Stalls were also less good than last year, something that seems to 
> be
> pretty much common to most rallies we have attened this year, which 
> is
> a pity as a good set of junk stalls makes for an interesting 
> rummage!
> 
> We went on to Chipping Norton afterwards and had a browse through 
> one
> of our regular secondhand bookshops and spent a few bob there 
> instead
> :-))
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Burford05/Burford051.htm
> 
> I have yet to adjust the main menu figures, but I think we have 
> topped
> the 3000 viewable pages mark for the first time.
> 
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jul  9 20:44:41 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:44:41 +0100
Subject: [SEL] JD 160 Garden tractor question
In-Reply-To: <20050709.200603.1548.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20050709.200603.1548.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605070920446eae4623@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/10/05, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> Hi all.  I am playing with a JD 160 garden tractor, trying to get the
> keyed ignition switch to start the engine.  I have power to the switch,
> when I turn the key to run I have power to another terminal.  But when I
> turn it to start, no other terminals get power.  I know there is a safety
> switch so it will only start in neutral, and possibly a safety switch in
> the seat.  But surely when the key is turned to start the ignition switch
> soul send power out to somewhere.  This is a new JD switch, the old
> switch did the same thing that is why it was replaced.  Any suggestions
> appreciated.  Thanks.
> 
> Ron Haskell

Sounds as though you could be putting power into the wrong terminal to
start with?  Check out the switch circuits with a test meter and make
sure that your feed terminal is the right one, otherwise you are
starting off on the wrong basis for your connections.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From driggars at earthlink.net  Sat Jul  9 21:08:46 2005
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 23:08:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem
Message-ID: <00ee01c58505$12abb220$f9458304@clinton>

I have a Kohler CH18S engine, 18 HP V twin

when I start it, it will run a few minutes then run out of gas, seems that the
needle seat was sticking closed and not allowing fuel in so I pulled the carb,
cleaned very well, installed a kit, new needle valve etc.
I am running an electric fuel pump.

Afetr I rebuilt the carb, it started and run fine but may do so far 2 minutes or
30 minutes?? then will run out of gas. I can peck on the carb and it will run
again for no telling how long, yesterday I could not keep it from doing this when
I started it up and stood there and tapped on the carb every 15 seconds or so as
that is how long it wanted to run, it would stay runing as long as I done that,
then it leveled out and started running on its own but would run about 10-15
seconds and start acting like running out of gas but would pick up on its own ,
finally I walked off from it running and it came vack in 20 minutes it had died, I
tapped on the carb and started it up, then it ran all afternoon, about 4 hours

what could be the cause of this and what can I check out or try to do?

the carb is very clean inside?

Clint




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Jul  9 21:17:07 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:17:07 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Splitdorf Magneto
Message-ID: <90.616a2170.3001fb43@aol.com>

 
Hi List,
In a box of items I purchased at a sale, there is basket case  Splitdorf 
magneto.  I haven't found a model number on the  brass tag.  The latest Patent 
date is May 1917.  It has horse  shoe type magnets which are not attached.  It 
appears to be for a four  cylinder engine.  Mounted on top of the coil there is 
a square looking  condenser with a Great Britain Patent date of 1918.  It has 
a manual  advance point assembly.  It appears to be very well constructed and 
looks  to have been glass beaded.  The housing and mounting bracket seem to  
be made of pot metal (?) and shows some slight deterioration.  To  get it in 
operational condition, it would have to be reassembled and have the  magnets 
charged.
By any chance does anyone have any idea on what type of engine or  engines 
that would have used this magneto?  Perhap some one may have  use for this item? 
 If so, please let me know off list.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jul  9 21:18:15 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:18:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Burford Vintage Rally (UK)
In-Reply-To: <20050709.201348.1548.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20050709.201348.1548.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6f602516050709211822b27671@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/10/05, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> Hi Peter.
> Nice pictures, I can't get a large picture of:( Original Ruston & Hornsby
> in working condition. Flick mag. ) when I click on the thumbnail.
> 
> Ron Haskell

Hi Ron:

See my reply to Larry Evans, it has been corrected now.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jul  9 21:39:04 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:39:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] JD 160 Garden tractor question
Message-ID: <20050709.213904.1548.7.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks for your reply Peter.
The plug to the back of the switch is pre wired, it can only go one way,
unless someone has pulled the wires out and switched them.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:44:41 +0100 Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
writes:
> On 7/10/05, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> > Hi all.  I am playing with a JD 160 garden tractor, trying to get 
> the
> > keyed ignition switch to start the engine.  I have power to the 
> switch,
> > when I turn the key to run I have power to another terminal.  But 
> when I
> > turn it to start, no other terminals get power.  I know there is a 
> safety
> > switch so it will only start in neutral, and possibly a safety 
> switch in
> > the seat.  But surely when the key is turned to start the ignition 
> switch
> > soul send power out to somewhere.  This is a new JD switch, the 
> old
> > switch did the same thing that is why it was replaced.  Any 
> suggestions
> > appreciated.  Thanks.
> > 
> > Ron Haskell
> 
> Sounds as though you could be putting power into the wrong terminal 
> to
> start with?  Check out the switch circuits with a test meter and 
> make
> sure that your feed terminal is the right one, otherwise you are
> starting off on the wrong basis for your connections.
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From b2 at chooka.net  Sat Jul  9 21:48:41 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 23:48:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem
In-Reply-To: <00ee01c58505$12abb220$f9458304@clinton>
Message-ID: <200507092348161.SM02420@wrbpc>

Any chance the fuel tank breather is blocked and you're getting a vacuum in
the tank?  Loosen the fuel cap a bit and see if that changes anything.

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 11:09 PM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem

I have a Kohler CH18S engine, 18 HP V twin

when I start it, it will run a few minutes then run out of gas, seems that
the needle seat was sticking closed and not allowing fuel in so I pulled the
carb, cleaned very well, installed a kit, new needle valve etc.
I am running an electric fuel pump.

Afetr I rebuilt the carb, it started and run fine but may do so far 2
minutes or 30 minutes?? then will run out of gas. I can peck on the carb and
it will run again for no telling how long, yesterday I could not keep it
from doing this when I started it up and stood there and tapped on the carb
every 15 seconds or so as that is how long it wanted to run, it would stay
runing as long as I done that, then it leveled out and started running on
its own but would run about 10-15 seconds and start acting like running out
of gas but would pick up on its own , finally I walked off from it running
and it came vack in 20 minutes it had died, I tapped on the carb and started
it up, then it ran all afternoon, about 4 hours

what could be the cause of this and what can I check out or try to do?

the carb is very clean inside?

Clint


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From b2 at chooka.net  Sat Jul  9 21:56:58 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 23:56:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Splitdorf Magneto
In-Reply-To: <90.616a2170.3001fb43@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200507092357277.SM02420@wrbpc>

Scan for Splitdorf magneto on eBay and see if you can find a picture of one
that looks like yours.  You will find more if you search on sold items, and
then you can also get a feel for the price that somebody paid for it.

Post the eBay item number back to the list and someone may recognize it.

Splitdorf made mags for a lot of equipment: tractors, industrial engines,
trucks, cars... So chances are it would fit a number of different
applications.

I watch mags on eBay a bit, normally ones that are original equipment for
John Deere tractors sell pretty well (some models VERY well!) and just about
everything else goes pretty cheap.  With exceptions, of course.  Since yours
is 4 cylinder, it's not Deere. 

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
FRM8198 at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 11:17 PM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Splitdorf Magneto

 
Hi List,
In a box of items I purchased at a sale, there is basket case  Splitdorf
magneto.  I haven't found a model number on the  brass tag.  The latest
Patent date is May 1917.  It has horse  shoe type magnets which are not
attached.  It appears to be for a four  cylinder engine.  Mounted on top of
the coil there is a square looking  condenser with a Great Britain Patent
date of 1918.  It has a manual  advance point assembly.  It appears to be
very well constructed and looks  to have been glass beaded.  The housing and
mounting bracket seem to be made of pot metal (?) and shows some slight
deterioration.  To  get it in operational condition, it would have to be
reassembled and have the  magnets charged.
By any chance does anyone have any idea on what type of engine or  engines
that would have used this magneto?  Perhap some one may have  use for this
item? 
 If so, please let me know off list.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA


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From driggars at earthlink.net  Sat Jul  9 22:17:01 2005
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:17:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem
References: <200507092348161.SM02420@wrbpc>
Message-ID: <017a01c5850e$9b229b60$f9458304@clinton>

Bill

That is one thing I can check out, this has me baffled

Clint




> Any chance the fuel tank breather is blocked and you're getting a vacuum in
> the tank?  Loosen the fuel cap a bit and see if that changes anything.
>
> B?
>
> Bill Brueck (brick)
> Chatfield, MN, USA
>
> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 11:09 PM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem
>
> I have a Kohler CH18S engine, 18 HP V twin
>
> when I start it, it will run a few minutes then run out of gas, seems that
> the needle seat was sticking closed and not allowing fuel in so I pulled the
> carb, cleaned very well, installed a kit, new needle valve etc.
> I am running an electric fuel pump.
>
> Afetr I rebuilt the carb, it started and run fine but may do so far 2
> minutes or 30 minutes?? then will run out of gas. I can peck on the carb and
> it will run again for no telling how long, yesterday I could not keep it
> from doing this when I started it up and stood there and tapped on the carb
> every 15 seconds or so as that is how long it wanted to run, it would stay
> runing as long as I done that, then it leveled out and started running on
> its own but would run about 10-15 seconds and start acting like running out
> of gas but would pick up on its own , finally I walked off from it running
> and it came vack in 20 minutes it had died, I tapped on the carb and started
> it up, then it ran all afternoon, about 4 hours
>
> what could be the cause of this and what can I check out or try to do?
>
> the carb is very clean inside?
>
> Clint
>
>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jul  9 22:50:39 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 22:50:39 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Burford Vintage Rally (UK)
Message-ID: <20050709.225039.1548.11.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Working fine now Peter.  Thanks for the great shots.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:18:15 +0100 Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
writes:
> On 7/10/05, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> > Hi Peter.
> > Nice pictures, I can't get a large picture of:( Original Ruston & 
> Hornsby
> > in working condition. Flick mag. ) when I click on the thumbnail.
> > 
> > Ron Haskell
> 
> Hi Ron:
> 
> See my reply to Larry Evans, it has been corrected now.
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 10 00:08:38 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:08:38 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Splitdorf Magneto
In-Reply-To: <200507092357277.SM02420@wrbpc>
References: <90.616a2170.3001fb43@aol.com> <200507092357277.SM02420@wrbpc>
Message-ID: <6f602516050710000868835c06@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/10/05, Bill Brueck <b2 at chooka.net> wrote:
> Scan for Splitdorf magneto on eBay and see if you can find a picture of one
> that looks like yours.  You will find more if you search on sold items, and
> then you can also get a feel for the price that somebody paid for it.
> 
> Post the eBay item number back to the list and someone may recognize it.
> 
> Splitdorf made mags for a lot of equipment: tractors, industrial engines,
> trucks, cars... So chances are it would fit a number of different
> applications.
> 
> I watch mags on eBay a bit, normally ones that are original equipment for
> John Deere tractors sell pretty well (some models VERY well!) and just about
> everything else goes pretty cheap.  With exceptions, of course.  Since yours
> is 4 cylinder, it's not Deere.
> 
> B?
> 
> Bill Brueck (brick)
> Chatfield, MN, USA
> 
> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> FRM8198 at aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 11:17 PM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Splitdorf Magneto
> 
> 
> Hi List,
> In a box of items I purchased at a sale, there is basket case  Splitdorf
> magneto.  I haven't found a model number on the  brass tag.  The latest
> Patent date is May 1917.  It has horse  shoe type magnets which are not
> attached.  It appears to be for a four  cylinder engine.  Mounted on top of
> the coil there is a square looking  condenser with a Great Britain Patent
> date of 1918.  It has a manual  advance point assembly.  It appears to be
> very well constructed and looks  to have been glass beaded.  The housing and
> mounting bracket seem to be made of pot metal (?) and shows some slight
> deterioration.  To  get it in operational condition, it would have to be
> reassembled and have the  magnets charged.
> By any chance does anyone have any idea on what type of engine or  engines
> that would have used this magneto?  Perhap some one may have  use for this
> item?
>  If so, please let me know off list.
> 
> Francis Maciel
> Santa Maria,  CA
> 

We have some Splitdorf service information and applications lists
here, some kind of visual information would be useful to help with an
ID for this unit.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From plb at iinet.net.au  Sun Jul 10 00:16:41 2005
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:16:41 +0800
Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem
In-Reply-To: <00ee01c58505$12abb220$f9458304@clinton>
Message-ID: <200507100716.j6A7Gv64017129@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Sounds like the carb fuel flow is restricted and if tapping the carb helps
its likely that the needle and seat is sticking or partially blocked
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D
Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2005 12:09 PM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem

I have a Kohler CH18S engine, 18 HP V twin

when I start it, it will run a few minutes then run out of gas, seems that
the
needle seat was sticking closed and not allowing fuel in so I pulled the
carb,
cleaned very well, installed a kit, new needle valve etc.
I am running an electric fuel pump.

Afetr I rebuilt the carb, it started and run fine but may do so far 2
minutes or
30 minutes?? then will run out of gas. I can peck on the carb and it will
run
again for no telling how long, yesterday I could not keep it from doing this
when
I started it up and stood there and tapped on the carb every 15 seconds or
so as
that is how long it wanted to run, it would stay runing as long as I done
that,
then it leveled out and started running on its own but would run about 10-15
seconds and start acting like running out of gas but would pick up on its
own ,
finally I walked off from it running and it came vack in 20 minutes it had
died, I
tapped on the carb and started it up, then it ran all afternoon, about 4
hours

what could be the cause of this and what can I check out or try to do?

the carb is very clean inside?

Clint


_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Sun Jul 10 05:39:50 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:39:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] JD 160 Garden tractor question
In-Reply-To: <20050709.200603.1548.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20050709.200603.1548.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <42D11716.8070002@wightman.ca>

Hey Ron,

On my JD 214, there is also a switch on the PTO lever. I have to just 
touch mine and everything works. That makes three safety switches! :-)

Duncan


rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

>Hi all.  I am playing with a JD 160 garden tractor, trying to get the
>keyed ignition switch to start the engine.  I have power to the switch,
>when I turn the key to run I have power to another terminal.  But when I
>turn it to start, no other terminals get power.  I know there is a safety
>switch so it will only start in neutral, and possibly a safety switch in
>the seat.  But surely when the key is turned to start the ignition switch
>soul send power out to somewhere.  This is a new JD switch, the old
>switch did the same thing that is why it was replaced.  Any suggestions
>appreciated.  Thanks.
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California
>USA
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>_______________________________________________
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>
>
>  
>


-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jul 10 07:22:44 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:22:44 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
Message-ID: <20050710142210.ZPCW19806.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Ron and I popped up to Timbertown at Wauchope yesterday (4 hours up, 5 hours
back). Not a huge number of engines but a great location and a rally that
should grow with time. There is a start on private engine sheds like at Lake
Goldsmith with on excellent one already finished and another big one under
construction. 
There were some nice steam engines on display including a huge one driving a
replica timber mill. The narrow gauge steam railway was in operation as was
a nice model railway. 
Due to my camera having a technical failure the pictures I took were lost so
I will have to go again next year to get some photos. Next year I will take
an engine and stay for the weekend :)
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From driggars at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 10 08:15:26 2005
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:15:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem
References: <200507100716.j6A7Gv64017129@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <002501c58562$3428b760$b6408304@clinton>

Ray


> Sounds like the carb fuel flow is restricted and if tapping the carb helps
> its likely that the needle and seat is sticking or partially blocked

OK, I to am guessing that the needle is sticking, but what can U do about it since
I have put a new one in?

Clint


> Ray Freeman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D
> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2005 12:09 PM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem
>
> I have a Kohler CH18S engine, 18 HP V twin
>
> when I start it, it will run a few minutes then run out of gas, seems that
> the
> needle seat was sticking closed and not allowing fuel in so I pulled the
> carb,
> cleaned very well, installed a kit, new needle valve etc.
> I am running an electric fuel pump.
>
> Afetr I rebuilt the carb, it started and run fine but may do so far 2
> minutes or
> 30 minutes?? then will run out of gas. I can peck on the carb and it will
> run
> again for no telling how long, yesterday I could not keep it from doing this
> when
> I started it up and stood there and tapped on the carb every 15 seconds or
> so as
> that is how long it wanted to run, it would stay runing as long as I done
> that,
> then it leveled out and started running on its own but would run about 10-15
> seconds and start acting like running out of gas but would pick up on its
> own ,
> finally I walked off from it running and it came vack in 20 minutes it had
> died, I
> tapped on the carb and started it up, then it ran all afternoon, about 4
> hours
>
> what could be the cause of this and what can I check out or try to do?
>
> the carb is very clean inside?
>
> Clint
>
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jul 10 08:55:00 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:55:00 EDT
Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem
Message-ID: <195.42d138a2.30029ed4@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/10/2005 11:41:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
driggars at earthlink.net writes:

<< OK, I to am guessing that the needle is sticking, but what can U do about 
it since
 I have put a new one in? >>


Clint,

Something about the float/needle causing it sticking.  Take it apart and see 
if you can move things and make it stick.  Could the float be rubbing against 
something, float pin bent, some very small trash on needle seat, tip on the 
float that pushes against bottom of needle bent or a burr causing some slight 
binding?  Just a few ideas to look at.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jbcast at charter.net  Sun Jul 10 08:57:28 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:57:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem
Message-ID: <47kor5$10oe1lo@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net>


> > its likely that the needle and seat is sticking or partially blocked
> 
> OK, I to am guessing that the needle is sticking, but what can U do about it since
> I have put a new one in?
> 
> Clint
It's not likely that the needle is sticking while it's running, that usually happens when it's stopped. Have you checked fuel pressure? Put a gauge on it and run it.
J.B. Castagnos


From driggars at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 10 11:57:18 2005
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:57:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem
References: <47kor5$10oe1lo@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <022e01c58581$32930b20$b6408304@clinton>

JB

I am running an electric fuel pump, and I actually tried another new one just in
case, this motor originally had a diafram type that work off vacuum

Maybe I have a line sucking air? or since I am using two fuel filters, one maybe
stopped up?

Clint

----- Original Message -----
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
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Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [SEL] carb_fueling problem


>
> > > its likely that the needle and seat is sticking or partially blocked
> >
> > OK, I to am guessing that the needle is sticking, but what can U do about it
since
> > I have put a new one in?
> >
> > Clint
> It's not likely that the needle is sticking while it's running, that usually
happens when it's stopped. Have you checked fuel pressure? Put a gauge on it and
run it.
> J.B. Castagnos
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 10 18:14:54 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:14:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem
References: <00ee01c58505$12abb220$f9458304@clinton>
Message-ID: <007801c585b5$f3f01720$42bff504@x8h7l9>

Hi Clint,

Some times a little water in the gas can then gas tank then fuel bowl will
play tricks. Sometimes I pour the last of the gas into a clean jar to look
for water. When I drop a fuel bowl, I like to catch the contents to look for
little beads of water. A bead of water will block the flow of gas in a jet,
but the choke will suck it thru.  Just an idea.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clint D" <driggars at earthlink.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 12:08 AM
Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem


> I have a Kohler CH18S engine, 18 HP V twin
>
> when I start it, it will run a few minutes then run out of gas, seems that
the
> needle seat was sticking closed and not allowing fuel in so I pulled the
carb,
> cleaned very well, installed a kit, new needle valve etc.
> I am running an electric fuel pump.
>
> Afetr I rebuilt the carb, it started and run fine but may do so far 2
minutes or
> 30 minutes?? then will run out of gas. I can peck on the carb and it will
run
> again for no telling how long, yesterday I could not keep it from doing
this when
> I started it up and stood there and tapped on the carb every 15 seconds or
so as
> that is how long it wanted to run, it would stay runing as long as I done
that,
> then it leveled out and started running on its own but would run about
10-15
> seconds and start acting like running out of gas but would pick up on its
own ,
> finally I walked off from it running and it came vack in 20 minutes it had
died, I
> tapped on the carb and started it up, then it ran all afternoon, about 4
hours
>
> what could be the cause of this and what can I check out or try to do?
>
> the carb is very clean inside?
>
> Clint
>
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>




From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com  Sun Jul 10 18:47:07 2005
From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:47:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cooling for Fairbanks needed.
References: <070820051850.23651.42CECAE800020ACD00005C6321603763169B04049A03@att.net>
	<42CEDAA9.80800@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <00e201c585ba$71ed1020$d8c77040@user>

FWIW
One BTU=heat to raise one pound of water 1?.
8.6 lbs per gal. (I think.)
To change state, liquid to steam with both at 212? takes 960 BTU per lb. or
there-abouts.


Paul Russell
Riga, Michigan
hit_n_miss at tc3net.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooling for Fairbanks needed.


Tom, Peter,
Might be that latent heat operating mode is appropriate. I called one of
our old club members who has the one copy of the original literature in
our club and he recalls the proper operating temperature as about 210?F.
I am planning on going to his place on Saturday to read the literature
and confirm this. If the water is leaving the engine near the boiling
point we can certainly get a LOT of cooling from evaporation as we
trickle it over a screen or similar device. Rob has suggested an
elevated wood tank and I think that would be a neat looking addition to
our engine building. A simple cone spray nozzle returning the hot water
to the tank would generate a substantial amount of cooling.
I've located a belt driven brass pump for circulating the water too.
Keep the ideas coming.
Curt

mullt at att.net wrote:

>With all due respect, I don't think the latent heat of vaporization is the
appropriate property to consider.
>
>The latent heat would only be applicable if the water changes phase (from
water to steam or vapor). Most water cooling systems recirculate the cooling
medium as water.
>
>The issue for the cooler is whether it is a closed system like an
automobile radiator or an open system like a cooling tower. If it is a
closed system, all of the cooling would be sensible heat. If it is an open
system, there would be some evaporative cooling but not equal to the latent
heat of the water. If it is an open system, you need to look at the
temperature of the water leaving the engine and the wet bulb temperature of
the ambient air.
>
>Tom in St. Louis
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
>
>
>>On 7/8/05, Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Guys,
>>>At our Cotton Ginning Days meeting last night we discussed several
>>>options for cooling our 37 1/2HP Fairbanks semi-diesel used to drive our
>>>cotton gin. At the bottom of this link is a picture of the engine:
>>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/cottongin.htm>
>>>
>>>Since we began using the engine we have just run city water thru it and
>>>dumped the water in a ditch nearby. After running for 3 days at our
>>>annual show this creates a big mud hole of a mess at one of the
>>>entrances to a field folks display engines in.
>>>
>>>One of the ideas floated was to acquire a period correct "cooler" to
>>>recirculate water to the engine. So I am soliciting for suggestions on
>>>what such a device would be and look like. Maybe someone even has one we
>>>can use. What would a cooler be? A wooden cooling tower with slats that
>>>trickle the water collected in a tank at the bottom? ORA plain wooden
>>>tank like this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Illinois%20Oil%20Lease/09
.jpg>
>>
>>
>>> OR Something with a fan that creates updraft like you see in industry?
>>>
>>>We flow about 3 gallon per minute thru our engine. We really don't use
>>>the full HP of the engine and I would estimate we use 1/2 the HP at
>>>most. If anyone has suggestions on what would be the best type of period
>>>correct cooler, and even better where we can get one, we'd sure like to
>>>hear from you.
>>>Curt Holland
>>>Gastonia, NC
>>>Cotton Ginning Days Show Oct 14, 15, and 16th.
>>>
>>>P.S. I have estimated a cooling load of 3.3 tons (41000 BTU/hr) for the
>>>cooler, so this will be a small unit.
>>>
>>>
>>That's a bit big for a screen cooling setup, and a tank cooling system
>>would probably be a bit heavy, but for demo use I would certainly look
>>at a screen cooler, and you would need a pump to circulate the water,
>>unless you used exhaust pressure to do it.
>>
>>Look at the figures for the latent heat of evaporation of water, you'd
>>be surprised how little you would need to get the heat out of the
>>engine.
>>
>>Peter
>>-- 
>>Peter A Forbes
>>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>>
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From Bimjy at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 10 19:59:14 2005
From: Bimjy at hotmail.com (Jim Hunter)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:59:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane tank
Message-ID: <BAY9-DAV15942A100EDB7E381F9974BADC0@phx.gbl>

To the gentleman with the 15 hp Reid, My 12 hp Oil city uses way more propane for the hot tube than for engine running! My tube won't get hot enough on low pressure gas. Engine will run fine on low! Tube takes a higher psi regulator.  I tee my low pressure regulator in line after the high one then just use one 40# tank.  Hope this info helps you a little!!  Jim Hunter

From nick at holden1.net  Sun Jul 10 12:04:40 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:04:40 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] Burford (UK) rally
Message-ID: <42D17148.000003.03444@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Hi all
after a hot weekend photos at

nick


Nick Holden
Banbury 
Oxfordshire (UK)
SKYPE nickholden1
nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jul 11 02:14:42 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:14:42 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mag repair
Message-ID: <014e01c585f9$5131db60$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I just put a few pics up on Jim's list on fixing a mag.
I dont know how to do a link to pics for this list.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 11 04:26:33 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:26:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Mag repair
In-Reply-To: <014e01c585f9$5131db60$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F8B7D117A23F00C5D0D960C8DC0@phx.gbl>

Here ya go mate:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/01Newbush.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/02Brokenend.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/03Startofnewend.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/04Newend.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/05Newend.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/06Newend.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/07Newnylongear.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/08Fixedandfinished.JPG

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
===============================

>From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Mag repair
>Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:14:42 +1000
>
>I just put a few pics up on Jim's list on fixing a mag.
>I dont know how to do a link to pics for this list.
>Reg & Marg Ingold.
>Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jul 11 07:00:13 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:00:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Auction (from Pete)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507110959430.79912@vegeta.city-net.com>



---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:35:25 +1000
From: Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: fero_ah at city-net.com
Subject: Hi Arnie

can you please pass this along to ATIS


Hi all
Anyone going to this auction

http://www.nixonauctioneers.com/listings/jorgensen.html

Contact me at plowe at exemail.com.au  with "nixon auction" in the subject line
of your email.

Peter, Oz


From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jul 11 09:41:16 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:41:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update.
Message-ID: <42D2A12C.40805@imc-group.com>

Have been working on making the cart rails from wood sent by Richard 
Fink. The list comes thru again!

Also Saturday was the day to make a special fixture to ream the intake 
valve guide oversized to eliminate the badly worn condition. On a Baker 
Monitor the intake valve and exhaust valve sit in line with each other. 
Machining them is a challenge. On this link you'll see both the wood 
working on the cart rails and the intake valve reaming fixture. Here is 
the link and at the bottom look for 7/11/05 update:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html

I have a question....what is a good material to use between the upper 
part of the main bearing caps and the block to provide a seal?

Hope you enjoy.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From mullt at att.net  Mon Jul 11 11:03:52 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:03:52 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update.
Message-ID: <071120051803.23253.42D2B4870006856D00005AD521603763169B04049A03@att.net>


Curt,

For those of us who are new to working on old engines, your pictures are a great resource. Thanks.

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
> Have been working on making the cart rails from wood sent by Richard 
> Fink. The list comes thru again!
> 
> Also Saturday was the day to make a special fixture to ream the intake 
> valve guide oversized to eliminate the badly worn condition. On a Baker 
> Monitor the intake valve and exhaust valve sit in line with each other. 
> Machining them is a challenge. On this link you'll see both the wood 
> working on the cart rails and the intake valve reaming fixture. Here is 
> the link and at the bottom look for 7/11/05 update:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbn
> ails.html
> 
> I have a question....what is a good material to use between the upper 
> part of the main bearing caps and the block to provide a seal?
> 
> Hope you enjoy.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jul 11 15:46:45 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:46:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update.
References: <42D2A12C.40805@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <027a01c5866a$6c5bad50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I have a question....what is a good material to use between the upper
part of the main bearing caps and the block to provide a seal?

That is supposed to be open as a breather.
It  also allows the excess oil to migrate all over your smart engine.
If you block this off you will have to fit some sort of breather.
If you dont, the front door leaks and the camshaft n,crankshaft blows oil 
out. A mess just the same as leaving it.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From empson07 at chilitech.com  Mon Jul 11 16:29:42 2005
From: empson07 at chilitech.com (Mark Empson)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:29:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] removal
Message-ID: <000801c58670$6c8a76c0$0880e83f@pavilion>

In that my schedule doesn't allow me to read the mail the list generates I wish to be removed .
        Thank You Mark Empson

From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Jul 11 18:09:28 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:09:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] removal
In-Reply-To: <000801c58670$6c8a76c0$0880e83f@pavilion>
References: <000801c58670$6c8a76c0$0880e83f@pavilion>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050711210843.043c95a8@mail.alltel.net>

School, books, covers, eat!
         Dave

At 07:29 PM 7/11/2005, you wrote:
>In that my schedule doesn't allow me to read the mail the list generates I 
>wish to be removed .
>         Thank You Mark Empson
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jul 11 18:29:30 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:29:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] JD 160 Garden tractor question
Message-ID: <20050711.182930.1396.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks to all who helped with suggestions with the ignition switch.  The
tractor now starts and stops with the key.  There were several problems,
the neutral safety switch was not hooked up, and the safety switch in the
electric clutch for the mower deck was corroded.  After those two were
cleaned up, there were some wires that the PO spliced together with
patches that were too small and with poor connections.  Thanks again.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Jul 11 13:51:02 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:51:02 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update.
References: <42D2A12C.40805@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <002201c5865a$4353ef40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>


> I have a question....what is a good material to use between the upper 
> part of the main bearing caps and the block to provide a seal?
> 
> Hope you enjoy.
> Curt Holland

Hi Curt,
I always use "Locktite" 574, it's especial for flat surfaces
and works fine for me.
BTW interesting valve reaming fixture you made.

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jul 11 19:46:06 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:46:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] removal
References: <000801c58670$6c8a76c0$0880e83f@pavilion>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050711210843.043c95a8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <034701c5868f$e90ce970$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I was waiting!! VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] removal


> School, books, covers, eat!
>         Dave
>
> At 07:29 PM 7/11/2005, you wrote:
>>In that my schedule doesn't allow me to read the mail the list generates I 
>>wish to be removed .
>>         Thank You Mark Empson
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jul 12 00:10:06 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:10:06 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland week
Message-ID: <6f6025160507120010732945c7@mail.gmail.com>

We are coming over a little earlier this year, and we are staying up
in the north of the state so we can have a look at the Studebaker
museum in South Bend, and then the Amish Country area over to the east
of that city. On the way down towards Portland we are also going to
the Auburn/Cord/Deusenberg museum at Auburn before arriving at the
show sometime on Wednesday.

Anything else we can look at up that way?

Saturday we are going to the Dayton Air Force Museum, so we have
nearly 3 whole days at Portland. Sunday we have to leave really early
as our flight out of Fort Wayne leaves at 07.19, and it's about a
2-1/2 hour drive up from Muncie where we are staying.

This is probably the last year we are coming over for a while, we have
house rebuilding to do next year, and probably a wedding to go to in
Oz in the fall, so that probably puts out anything else for 2006.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jul 12 06:10:01 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:10:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update.
In-Reply-To: <027a01c5866a$6c5bad50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <42D2A12C.40805@imc-group.com>
	<027a01c5866a$6c5bad50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <42D3C129.9020702@imc-group.com>

Reg,
Well I'll be! Makes perfectly good sense now that you explain it. Seems 
like there was nothing but a good layer of crud in the area when we took 
it apart, but just assumed some sort of seal had been removed. And to 
think I went to a fair amount of trouble this weekend when putting the 
crankshaft in. RTV'd the slingers to the crankshaft to make sure oil 
could not get by them. Also RTV's each and every shim both to the block, 
to each other, and to the caps to make sure oil could not weep by them 
either. Now you tell me there will be 2 open windows to freely pump air 
and oil mist out. Guess stocking up on paper towels is a must! Jim 
Kirkes says an inch of oil max in the bottom of the crankcase seems to 
be the happy medium between proper lubrication and oil slobbering.
Thanks for saving me from this mistake.
Curt

R & M Ingold wrote:

> I have a question....what is a good material to use between the upper
> part of the main bearing caps and the block to provide a seal?
>
> That is supposed to be open as a breather.
> It  also allows the excess oil to migrate all over your smart engine.
> If you block this off you will have to fit some sort of breather.
> If you dont, the front door leaks and the camshaft n,crankshaft blows 
> oil out. A mess just the same as leaving it.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Jul 11 22:54:37 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:54:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Medium Sized Galloway Cart
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1515C969CE7328ABE5F13DBBDF0@phx.gbl>

  Whatcha think gang..does the look like a Galloway cart?  Sure resembles 
the smaller one.  I'd say the wheels are ~14" in Dia.  The bolsters are very 
similiar also.

http://community.webshots.com/album/392994376PavvTB

"Nice and warm" in Mt.

Rick 


From shop at cccomm.net  Tue Jul 12 06:41:00 2005
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:41:00 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Vaughn Drag Saw
References: <6f6025160507120010732945c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004001c586e7$576a7890$6401a8c0@Shop>

Does anyone know what the original mag set up was on the 2 cycle saw? And 
what mag was on it?

Thanks in advance
Dave Ernst 




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jul 12 07:20:02 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:20:02 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Anyone like aircraft engines.
References: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1>
	<dbccfc9b8195b1318958664e24c255cf@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <000601c59cbb$dfe71d10$fa4c1152@no1>

Hi John, there were 2 examples running last year at the Lake District Rally.
See http://community.webshots.com/album/167571610Nkxrin/1
If any wants any detailed pictures I will be attending again in a couple of weeks
& will take pictures.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Anyone like aircraft engines.


> That is really cool!
> 
> One mistake they made twice is "showing six of the twelve exhaust  
> ports." It's got 24 exhaust ports, often as in this case using stub  
> exhaust manifolds that each cover two ports.
> 
> John
> 
> On Aug 6, 2005, at 7:32 PM, Dave Croft wrote:
> 
> > I will be viewing this engine again in a couple of weeks at  
> > Flookborough but the BBC have
> > taken the pictures for me!
> > See  
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/cumbria/content/image_galleries/ 
> > merlin_engine_gallery.shtml?1
> > Make sure you listen to the Audio.
> 
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jul 12 14:29:00 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:29:00 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update.
References: <42D2A12C.40805@imc-group.com><027a01c5866a$6c5bad50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<42D3C129.9020702@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <054501c5872c$7d8276a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I think that 'wing' on the bearing cap is a beetle stopper only! (They make 
the oil go thick! <G>)
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Baker Monitor update.


> Reg,
> Well I'll be! Makes perfectly good sense now that you explain it. Seems 
> like there was nothing but a good layer of crud in the area when we took 
> it apart, 




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Jul 12 14:59:25 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:59:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Anyone like aircraft engines.
In-Reply-To: <000601c59cbb$dfe71d10$fa4c1152@no1>
References: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1>
	<dbccfc9b8195b1318958664e24c255cf@chartertn.net>
	<000601c59cbb$dfe71d10$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <ad13e8d723a9a35c465e83312f4759d3@chartertn.net>

> Hi John, there were 2 examples running last year at the Lake District 
> Rally.
> See http://community.webshots.com/album/167571610Nkxrin/1

Nice!

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 12 15:49:59 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:49:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] removal
In-Reply-To: <034701c5868f$e90ce970$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <20050712225000.96248.qmail@web31301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

In other words, Mark,,,,

Any amount of wishing will do NOTHING.
How did you sign on this list?????
Wishing did not make it happen.
Hit the link at the bottom of any list email and sign in.
Then YOU can turn off YOUR email or completly leave the list.

Just this one time I will not remove all the extra junk from the bottom of this email.  There
should be at least four copies of the link that you need down there. 8>))

HTH,
Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan

BTW,,, 
Before ya go,
I really wish you would introduce yourself.
Where are you?
What kind of engines do you have or want?

--- R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:

> I was waiting!! VBG
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] removal
> 
> 
> > School, books, covers, eat!
> >         Dave
> >
> > At 07:29 PM 7/11/2005, you wrote:
> >>In that my schedule doesn't allow me to read the mail the list generates I wish to be removed
.
         Thank You Mark Empson
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From tpace at paceaudio.com  Tue Jul 12 16:11:45 2005
From: tpace at paceaudio.com (Tom Pace)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:11:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <FIEHLGCBCDNCNKMMBAFKOEEOCEAA.tpace@paceaudio.com>

I am trying to restore a 4 horse Worthington Kerosene engine, in Lima, Peru.
The fuel pump part of carburetor is missing. I can make one if anyone has a
picture.  Why is there a water line from cooling hopper to carb?
Thanks.
Tom



From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Jul 12 17:09:48 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:09:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
References: <FIEHLGCBCDNCNKMMBAFKOEEOCEAA.tpace@paceaudio.com>
Message-ID: <013101c5873f$30922260$dc416e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Hi Tom,

The water line from the hopper is to supply a dribble of water to the carb 
when the engine is running on kerosene.  Without the water the engine will 
knock when running under a load.  Probably not needed for show running but 
it is a nice touch to have it hooked up even if you run on gas and don't use 
it.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Pace" <tpace at paceaudio.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 4:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)


I am trying to restore a 4 horse Worthington Kerosene engine, in Lima, Peru.
The fuel pump part of carburetor is missing. I can make one if anyone has a
picture.  Why is there a water line from cooling hopper to carb?
Thanks.
Tom

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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Jul 12 17:09:47 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:09:47 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Wheels
Message-ID: <20050712.170948.1160.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  Thought some of you might like to see a new set of wheels I am
making for my 6hp Witte Dieselectric engine.  The bands are 3/16x3, hubs
3x4 with 2" holes for loose roller bearings made out of 3/8 cold rolled,
and spokes made of 1/2" black pipe.  Less than $40 in materials so far
not counting bearing material,  and a few hours time.

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30768854&p=72252347&Sequ
ence=0&res=high

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From WinkAndGinger at aol.com  Tue Jul 12 18:41:44 2005
From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:41:44 EDT
Subject: [SEL] New Wheels
Message-ID: <143.48cb62e9.3005cb58@aol.com>

......as usual Ron, you forever amaze me!

Wink & Ginger Thornton, 
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=


From skipl at montana.com  Tue Jul 12 19:22:42 2005
From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:22:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Vaughn Drag Saw
References: <6f6025160507120010732945c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<004001c586e7$576a7890$6401a8c0@Shop>
Message-ID: <42D47AF2.89511640@montana.com>

i know some used an ek.   skip in nw montana

Dave Ernst wrote:

> Does anyone know what the original mag set up was on the 2 cycle saw? And
> what mag was on it?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Dave Ernst
>
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From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 12 19:51:37 2005
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:51:37 +1000
Subject: [SEL] trouble with list
Message-ID: <BAY14-F2949DBA1FEDEF03AE3624CBADE0@phx.gbl>

HI All. i have a friend who is having trouble with his mail not going 
through to the list any ideas on how to help him. Dave

_________________________________________________________________
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http://www.carpoint.com.au/sellyourcar



From gibsongus at myway.com  Tue Jul 12 22:01:52 2005
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:01:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] New Wheels
Message-ID: <20050713050152.6DAA4396C@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 What are you going to do with the John Deere? I though that was going to be the machine,, I still don't get your pics. I think you have to much time on your hands.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Tue 07/12, &lt; rdhaskell at juno.com &gt; wrote:
From: [mailto: rdhaskell at juno.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:09:47 -0700Subject: [SEL] New WheelsHi all. Thought some of you might like to see a new set of wheels I ammaking for my 6hp Witte Dieselectric engine. The bands are 3/16x3, hubs3x4 with 2" holes for loose roller bearings made out of 3/8 cold rolled,and spokes made of 1/2" black pipe. Less than $40 in materials so farnot counting bearing material, and a few hours time.http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&amp;a=30768854&amp;p=72252347&amp;Sequence=0&amp;res=highRon Haskellrdhaskell at juno.comRiverside, CaliforniaUSAhttp://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&amp;f=0_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 13 04:00:37 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:00:37 +0000
Subject: [SEL] New Wheels
In-Reply-To: <20050712.170948.1160.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F12268BE2D7726A0B60CE7AC8DE0@phx.gbl>

Ron,

Did you radius the ends of the 1/2" pipe that you used for the spokes to 
match the hub and wheel radius? Or were the ends of the spokes just cut 
square and the gap filled with weld?

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
===============

>From: rdhaskell at juno.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] New Wheels
>Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:09:47 -0700
>
>Hi all.  Thought some of you might like to see a new set of wheels I am
>making for my 6hp Witte Dieselectric engine.  The bands are 3/16x3, hubs
>3x4 with 2" holes for loose roller bearings made out of 3/8 cold rolled,
>and spokes made of 1/2" black pipe.  Less than $40 in materials so far
>not counting bearing material,  and a few hours time.
>
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30768854&p=72252347&Sequ
>ence=0&res=high
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California
>USA
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 13 04:16:39 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:16:39 +0000
Subject: [SEL] nameplates
Message-ID: <BAY103-F340B552029F3336D47F6F8C8DE0@phx.gbl>

Sent by Reg to the oldengine.org list, I've inserted the links for 
Reg.........

Are these Lists great or what!!
After Jerry Evans in S Africa saved me from a severe beating about the head 
and body, from 'She who must be obeyed', (Lost pics salvaged), he again has 
proved what engine folk are all about.
>From photos of the original plates on the full size Big Chief, he produced 
the half size ones for the model. I got them in  yesterday's mail and 
thought to share them with you. They finish off a nice model.  It runs as 
well as it looks too.
Thanks Jerry.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/nameplates1.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/nameplates2.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/nameplates3.jpg

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From mtucker at uky.edu  Wed Jul 13 04:18:16 2005
From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:18:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump packing material
In-Reply-To: <20050712.170948.1160.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20050712.170948.1160.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <p06230903befaa275b5b3@[139.55.17.57]>

Howdy all,

I need some help with the fuel pump on my screen cooled 4 hp IHC 
Famous.  The old, dry rotted packing material that sealed around the 
pump plunger reminded me of burlap sack material in that it was like 
a loosely woven cloth with big threads.  Because of the design of the 
pump, there is a lot of space that the packing material needs to fill 
up.  I know there is a rope type of packing material but do y'all 
know of any other types that would be more like the burlap cloth that 
was in there that would occupy a lot of space more efficiently than 
the rope?

Also, the fuel pump has a two bolt mount on it, one on each side of 
the plunger, and there are two fuel line attachment fittings on each 
of the two small "chambers" on each side of the plunger (this gives 
the fuel pump an upside down "T" look).  In both chambers there is a 
ball bearing check valve.  My problem is that the pump is not 
symmetrical so which one is the inlet side and which one is the 
outlet side?  Also, the pump can be mounted two different ways with 
either chamber towards the head.  I doubt that in mechanical terms it 
matters which way it's mounted but how was it originally mounted?

Thanks for the help,
Mike
-- 
____________________
Michael Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
mtucker at uky.edu
____________________


From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jul 13 05:16:00 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 05:16:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump packing material
In-Reply-To: <p06230903befaa275b5b3@[139.55.17.57]>
References: <20050712.170948.1160.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<p06230903befaa275b5b3@[139.55.17.57]>
Message-ID: <2104.165.206.180.102.1121256960.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

Would that material plumbers used to use to seal drain pipe flanges work -
I believe it was called oakum? or something like that........

Bill

> Howdy all,
>
> I need some help with the fuel pump on my screen cooled 4 hp IHC
> Famous.  The old, dry rotted packing material that sealed around the
> pump plunger reminded me of burlap sack material in that it was like
> a loosely woven cloth with big threads.  Because of the design of the
> pump, there is a lot of space that the packing material needs to fill
> up.  I know there is a rope type of packing material but do y'all
> know of any other types that would be more like the burlap cloth that
> was in there that would occupy a lot of space more efficiently than
> the rope?
>
> Also, the fuel pump has a two bolt mount on it, one on each side of
> the plunger, and there are two fuel line attachment fittings on each
> of the two small "chambers" on each side of the plunger (this gives
> the fuel pump an upside down "T" look).  In both chambers there is a
> ball bearing check valve.  My problem is that the pump is not
> symmetrical so which one is the inlet side and which one is the
> outlet side?  Also, the pump can be mounted two different ways with
> either chamber towards the head.  I doubt that in mechanical terms it
> matters which way it's mounted but how was it originally mounted?
>
> Thanks for the help,
> Mike
> --
> ____________________
> Michael Tucker
> Midway, Kentucky, USA
> mtucker at uky.edu
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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Wed Jul 13 05:49:58 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:49:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump packing material
In-Reply-To: <p06230903befaa275b5b3@[139.55.17.57]>
References: <20050712.170948.1160.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<p06230903befaa275b5b3@[139.55.17.57]>
Message-ID: <42D50DF6.1030807@steamengine.com.au>

Hi Mike,
I'd use square profile graphite rope. My Southern Cross P has a similar 
pump and the graphite rope is magic.

Paul

Michael Tucker wrote:
> I need some help with the fuel pump on my screen cooled 4 hp IHC 
> Famous.   I know there is a rope type of packing material but do y'all know 
> of any other types that would be more like the burlap cloth that was in 
> there that would occupy a lot of space more efficiently than the rope?

Regards
Paul
-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Jul 13 06:02:09 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:02:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
In-Reply-To: <20050710142210.ZPCW19806.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <20050713130129.HGUP23311.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>


After much grief and a bit of luck with a data recovery program, I have
recovered some of the pictures from my Timbertown trip I thought lost
forever :)
I now have some of them up at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tt051.html



Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jul 13 06:55:23 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:55:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New Wheels
Message-ID: <20050713.100922.1336.14.jlb94@juno.com>

Excellent wheels - Ron,


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From b2 at chooka.net  Wed Jul 13 07:48:36 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:48:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] nameplates
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F340B552029F3336D47F6F8C8DE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200507130948205.SM02420@wrbpc>

Wow, those plates add a great finishing touch to Reg's already superb work.
I have one of Reg's originals, it's just amazing what you do, Reg!

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke
Tonneberger
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 6:17 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] nameplates

Sent by Reg to the oldengine.org list, I've inserted the links for
Reg.........

Are these Lists great or what!!
After Jerry Evans in S Africa saved me from a severe beating about the head
and body, from 'She who must be obeyed', (Lost pics salvaged), he again has
proved what engine folk are all about.
>From photos of the original plates on the full size Big Chief, he 
>produced
the half size ones for the model. I got them in  yesterday's mail and
thought to share them with you. They finish off a nice model.  It runs as
well as it looks too.
Thanks Jerry.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/nameplates1.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/nameplates2.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/nameplates3.jpg

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold


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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jul 13 07:53:01 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:53:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump packing material
In-Reply-To: <p06230903befaa275b5b3@[139.55.17.57]>
Message-ID: <200507131453.j6DErEmt005140@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


>know of any other types that would be more like the burlap cloth that 
> was in there that would occupy a lot of space more efficiently than 
> the rope?

Hi Mike,
What you might be looking for is a "woven" packing that has a square cross
section.  It comes in different materials and can be impregnated with
lubricants.  It comes in different sizes, so you can get whatever fills up the
space in your pump.  McMaster-Carr has a selection if you want to order online.
If you want expert one-on-one advice, call these folks:
http://www.acdepuydt.com/store_front/main_menu_main.htm

Rob




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jul 13 08:20:22 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:20:22 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Wheels
Message-ID: <20050713.082022.628.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Luke.
The spokes were originally cut square, at final fitting the spokes on the
18" wheel were slightly angled on one end for a better fit.  The spokes
on the 14" wheels were angled more, so they were beveled on both ends for
better fit.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:00:37 +0000 "Luke Tonneberger"
<flywheelin at hotmail.com> writes:
> Ron,
> 
> Did you radius the ends of the 1/2" pipe that you used for the 
> spokes to 
> match the hub and wheel radius? Or were the ends of the spokes just 
> cut 
> square and the gap filled with weld?
> 
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA


From mullt at att.net  Wed Jul 13 11:10:03 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:10:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] New Wheels
Message-ID: <071320051810.517.42D558FA000ED7990000020521602806519B04049A03@att.net>

Ron,

How did you get the outer part of the wheel and the axle bearing such that they were concentric and not out of alignment? Thanks.

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: rdhaskell at juno.com
> Hi Luke.
> The spokes were originally cut square, at final fitting the spokes on the
> 18" wheel were slightly angled on one end for a better fit.  The spokes
> on the 14" wheels were angled more, so they were beveled on both ends for
> better fit.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:00:37 +0000 "Luke Tonneberger"
> <flywheelin at hotmail.com> writes:
> > Ron,
> > 
> > Did you radius the ends of the 1/2" pipe that you used for the 
> > spokes to 
> > match the hub and wheel radius? Or were the ends of the spokes just 
> > cut 
> > square and the gap filled with weld?
> > 
> > Luke Tonneberger
> > Rockford, Michigan
> > USA
> _______________________________________________
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jul 13 13:17:52 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:17:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Wheels
Message-ID: <20050713.131752.628.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Tom.
After the outer bands were welded and ground smooth, they were centered
on a large X drawn in chalk intersecting at 90? on the welding table( a
?" steel plate 4'x10').  The hub was centered on the X.  Since the hub
was 4" long and the band 3" wide, the band was spaced off the table ?"
with ?" square cold rolled.  Measurements were taken for the length of
the spokes and they were cut.  All the spokes are on the centerline of
the rim, but are alternately off set 1" on the hub.  A wooden wedge was
cut to the desired angle of the spokes.  Some spokes needed the ends
beveled for a better fit.  Then they were welded to the hub.  This
required flipping the hub back and forth to weld all spokes.  Finally the
rim was spaced ?" off the table, the hub with spokes attached was dropped
in and pressed flat against the table and welded.  They turned out very
well.
I hope that answers your question.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:10:03 +0000 mullt at att.net writes:
> Ron,
> 
> How did you get the outer part of the wheel and the axle bearing 
> such that they were concentric and not out of alignment? Thanks.


From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jul 13 14:14:35 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:14:35 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump packing material
Message-ID: <1f9.da16c6c.3006de3b@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/13/2005 7:48:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mtucker at uky.edu writes:

<<  My problem is that the pump is not 
 symmetrical so which one is the inlet side and which one is the 
 outlet side? >>


Mike

 On both of my 6 hp engines, the inlet side is on the right and outlet is on 
the left.  Also the inlet is facing down drawing from the bottom of the tank 
and the outlet is facing left at right angle to plunger going to the carb. I 
have had good success with plumbers graphite rope type calking, but understand 
the square teflon type works well too.  It does not take much to fill the void.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Jul 13 16:05:40 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:05:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump packing material
In-Reply-To: <200507131453.j6DErEmt005140@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200507131453.j6DErEmt005140@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <3105fa6cff6e3c204f5e042f2accb436@chartertn.net>

That square packing material will work better if you cut pieces to fit 
like piston rings, with the gaps staggered, instead of trying to wind 
it in a spiral.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Wed Jul 13 16:23:59 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:23:59 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump packing material
References: <200507131453.j6DErEmt005140@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<3105fa6cff6e3c204f5e042f2accb436@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <001501c58801$f3736ce0$0b84dccb@oemcomputer>

Starbolt engine supply's have old type pump packing and it works great.I is
not expensive and you don't need much.I picked up 10 boxed reals of this
same stuff here in OZ at a swap meet some years ago and use it on the new
pumps that I make.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 9:05
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fuel pump packing material


> That square packing material will work better if you cut pieces to fit
> like piston rings, with the gaps staggered, instead of trying to wind
> it in a spiral.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 13 18:01:21 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:01:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Paint and primer
Message-ID: <42D5B961.50301@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Been giving this thought for quite some time and now time to ask 
opinions. When you paint an engine do you prime it first or just shoot 
the color? If you prime it why? I shot the Maytag with no primer and 
it's fine. Thinking of the same for the Sattley.

I have built many auto engines and never primed them. Spray can engine 
enamel over bare metal. Last one of mine had 75,000 plus with no paint 
issues. Thoughts and comments welcome.

Jeff Allen
Arvada, 98 degrees at 6 P.M., Colorado

P.S. Always nice to get something like this in the inbox.

> My Maytag 92 arrived a few days ago and I have started the restoration 
> of it, having a great time doing so. I contacted Mark with a list of 
> parts needed and I am just waiting to hear back on the postage, great 
> guy and the prices are very reasonable.The tear down went pretty 
> smooth, I could not belive the crud in the fuel tank it looked like 
> tar!!! Can you do me a favor can you send me a link to your 
> restoration site, for some reason I can not find it, those photos are 
> very helpful. Also,  what spraypaint do you use on these motors that 
> is a good match. Thanks again for your time. I will e-mail pictures 
> when done so you can check it out.





From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 13 18:10:18 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:10:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Wheels
In-Reply-To: <20050712.170948.1160.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20050712.170948.1160.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <42D5BB7A.5030008@earthlink.net>

Hi Ron,

Always a pleasure to see your work. A few hours time for you, and many 
more for some. Might give thought to selling some on e-bay. I think the 
market is there for those without your skills.

Jeff Allen

rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

>Hi all.  Thought some of you might like to see a new set of wheels I am
>making for my 6hp Witte Dieselectric engine.  The bands are 3/16x3, hubs
>3x4 with 2" holes for loose roller bearings made out of 3/8 cold rolled,
>and spokes made of 1/2" black pipe.  Less than $40 in materials so far
>not counting bearing material,  and a few hours time.
>
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30768854&p=72252347&Sequ
>ence=0&res=high
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California
>USA
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>_______________________________________________
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>
>
>  
>



From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jul 13 20:47:04 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:47:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Paint and primer
Message-ID: <20050713.235134.656.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Jeff,

I always prime and sand before paint.
I feel it helps fill some imperfections but I also feel it helps the
paint stick better.
Mostly if you get a "ding" moving stuff around.

I'm not much on spray painting.
Mostly because I don't care to spend a lot on fancy auto finishes and
expensive thinners.
Rust-Oleum is my usual choice.

I have had a lot of "fish-eye" problems with Rust-Oleum spray cans - 
even after extensive cleaning with degreasers.

I thin my paint pretty much with paint thinner and brush on many coats,
sanding with 
280 wet'n dry or 000 steel wool between each coat.

I've even used varnish for a clear coat and it works out real well.

JMO

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From rexhinz at chorus.net  Wed Jul 13 13:46:38 2005
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:46:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] trouble with list
References: <BAY14-F2949DBA1FEDEF03AE3624CBADE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000901c587eb$fabe0a70$4f86a5d8@mycomputer>

Hi

      My mail was not going through last week, I emailed my internet
provider and told them and presto about two hours later all my blocked mail
from 2 days appeared on the list, they may be blocking it
 Rex
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Nicolson" <dnicolson40 at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:51 PM
Subject: [SEL] trouble with list


> HI All. i have a friend who is having trouble with his mail not going
> through to the list any ideas on how to help him. Dave
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Sell your car for $9 on carpoint.com.au
> http://www.carpoint.com.au/sellyourcar
>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu Jul 14 03:19:55 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:19:55 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump packing material
Message-ID: <071420051019.24601.42D63C4B000C86930000601921979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi Mike,
Some time ago I posted a similar request and found out from a old steamengine 
man that Telfon packing rope is the best there is.  Found it with alot of help 
from fellow list members thru McMaster Carr sources.  It isn't cheap, but 
works very very well.  I rebuild my 1905 Stover 5hp upright with it. The fuel 
pump works better then it ever did with the orginal stuff.  If you want some 
of these stuff I had to buy a full roll to get it and would sell you what you 
need.
contact me off list,
Curt Andree


> Howdy all,
> 
> I need some help with the fuel pump on my screen cooled 4 hp IHC 
> Famous.  The old, dry rotted packing material that sealed around the 
> pump plunger reminded me of burlap sack material in that it was like 
> a loosely woven cloth with big threads.  Because of the design of the 
> pump, there is a lot of space that the packing material needs to fill 
> up.  I know there is a rope type of packing material but do y'all 
> know of any other types that would be more like the burlap cloth that 
> was in there that would occupy a lot of space more efficiently than 
> the rope?
> 
> Also, the fuel pump has a two bolt mount on it, one on each side of 
> the plunger, and there are two fuel line attachment fittings on each 
> of the two small "chambers" on each side of the plunger (this gives 
> the fuel pump an upside down "T" look).  In both chambers there is a 
> ball bearing check valve.  My problem is that the pump is not 
> symmetrical so which one is the inlet side and which one is the 
> outlet side?  Also, the pump can be mounted two different ways with 
> either chamber towards the head.  I doubt that in mechanical terms it 
> matters which way it's mounted but how was it originally mounted?
> 
> Thanks for the help,
> Mike
> -- 
> ____________________
> Michael Tucker
> Midway, Kentucky, USA
> mtucker at uky.edu
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Thu Jul 14 07:01:36 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:01:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Paint and primer
In-Reply-To: <42D5B961.50301@earthlink.net>
References: <42D5B961.50301@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050714065950.01a79c30@mail.pennswoods.net>

Sounds good Jeff but how did the engine run.[[[with the new paint]]]
R Fink
PA



At 07:01 PM 7/13/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Been giving this thought for quite some time and now time to ask opinions. 
>When you paint an engine do you prime it first or just shoot the color? If 
>you prime it why? I shot the Maytag with no primer and it's fine. Thinking 
>of the same for the Sattley.
>
>I have built many auto engines and never primed them. Spray can engine 
>enamel over bare metal. Last one of mine had 75,000 plus with no paint 
>issues. Thoughts and comments welcome.
>
>Jeff Allen
>Arvada, 98 degrees at 6 P.M., Colorado





From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jul 14 04:53:42 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:53:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Paint and primer
In-Reply-To: <42D5B961.50301@earthlink.net>
References: <42D5B961.50301@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <42D65246.2060802@imc-group.com>

Jeff,
Ted Brookover has stated he paints his engines with straight color, no 
primer. This certainly eliminates a lot of the chipping problems.
Food for thought however. If you do any assembly of parts prior to 
spraying, this method would leave unpainted areas under those parts that 
can rust and weep rust stains. If you like the idea of eliminating the 
primer you could alway "cut in" those areas that would be covered or 
hidden prior to assembly. Assemble the engine, scotchbrite what you can 
and spray the entire engine.
Personally I blast and spray all the individual parts with a 2 part 
primer that is as durable and is as rust preventing as any top coat. 
Since it takes me forever to put anything together, this gives excellent 
rust prevention in this wet/humid climate until I can get the engine 
assembled to the point where it is ready for color.
For engines I am slicking I'll do as above with primer but will cut in 
areas with color before assembling. On this link the top 2 or 3 photos 
show this. 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/6Hercules/Memorialweekend/Weekend.html>
The 6HP Herc shown turned out pretty decent.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
P.S. Trade your dry 98?F for our sticky 95?F / 76? F wet bulb temps. 

Jeff Allen wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Been giving this thought for quite some time and now time to ask 
> opinions. When you paint an engine do you prime it first or just shoot 
> the color? If you prime it why? I shot the Maytag with no primer and 
> it's fine. Thinking of the same for the Sattley.
>
> I have built many auto engines and never primed them. Spray can engine 
> enamel over bare metal. Last one of mine had 75,000 plus with no paint 
> issues. Thoughts and comments welcome.
>
> Jeff Allen
> Arvada, 98 degrees at 6 P.M., Colorado
>
> P.S. Always nice to get something like this in the inbox.
>
>> My Maytag 92 arrived a few days ago and I have started the 
>> restoration of it, having a great time doing so. I contacted Mark 
>> with a list of parts needed and I am just waiting to hear back on the 
>> postage, great guy and the prices are very reasonable.The tear down 
>> went pretty smooth, I could not belive the crud in the fuel tank it 
>> looked like tar!!! Can you do me a favor can you send me a link to 
>> your restoration site, for some reason I can not find it, those 
>> photos are very helpful. Also,  what spraypaint do you use on these 
>> motors that is a good match. Thanks again for your time. I will 
>> e-mail pictures when done so you can check it out.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Jul 14 05:14:21 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:14:21 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
In-Reply-To: <20050713130129.HGUP23311.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20050710142210.ZPCW19806.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050714221331.00b277a0@mail.ncable.com.au>

Patrick do you recall what carbie was on the Richard Hornsby engine on page 
one??
Russell

At 11:02 PM 13/07/2005 +1000, you wrote:

>After much grief and a bit of luck with a data recovery program, I have
>recovered some of the pictures from my Timbertown trip I thought lost
>forever :)
>I now have some of them up at:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tt051.html
>
>
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From toadhill at aeroinc.net  Thu Jul 14 05:13:46 2005
From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:13:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel Pump Packing
Message-ID: <002c01c5886d$7cfe98c0$afcc940c@mcness.com>

To Mike Tucker,

Would recommend solid teflon packing.  It comes in large sizes and makes excellent packing with very little drag required to make a good seal.  McMaster Carr Co. carries the packing.  Curt Andree got some for all of us and I packed his Stover pump with it.  Curt has the actual page of the catalog.  The old rope type packings are very poor for worn fuel pumps.

Regards,
Joe Maurer
Toadhill Farm

From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jul 14 05:42:56 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:42:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Paint and primer, and Rhino liner
References: <42D5B961.50301@earthlink.net> <42D65246.2060802@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV185CBB79B849F273BE9BB4BBD10@phx.gbl>

Just for experimenting and evaluating, I didn't prime Kathy's pump and jack 
lawn ornament.  So far, so good, but it doesn't get moved, but has to bear 
the Montana elements 24/7/365.  I'll take a good look at it today.

   Corky's brother who used to paint cars for a living says that in our 
hobby, priming is not necessary....but I have primed all the engine parts up 
to date.

  Curt, how do you like the Rhino liner on the wheel faces?  I've used a 
similiar product and when it gets rolled on the 3/4" gravel driveway, the 
gravel sticks to the wheel faces...not good when the transition to concrete 
comes around.


later
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Paint and primer


> Jeff,
> Ted Brookover has stated he paints his engines with straight color, no
> primer. This certainly eliminates a lot of the chipping problems.
> Food for thought however. If you do any assembly of parts prior to
> spraying, this method would leave unpainted areas under those parts that
> can rust and weep rust stains. If you like the idea of eliminating the
> primer you could alway "cut in" those areas that would be covered or
> hidden prior to assembly. Assemble the engine, scotchbrite what you can
> and spray the entire engine.
> Personally I blast and spray all the individual parts with a 2 part
> primer that is as durable and is as rust preventing as any top coat.
> Since it takes me forever to put anything together, this gives excellent
> rust prevention in this wet/humid climate until I can get the engine
> assembled to the point where it is ready for color.
> For engines I am slicking I'll do as above with primer but will cut in
> areas with color before assembling. On this link the top 2 or 3 photos
> show this.
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/6Hercules/Memorialweekend/Weekend.html>
> The 6HP Herc shown turned out pretty decent.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> P.S. Trade your dry 98?F for our sticky 95?F / 76? F wet bulb temps.
>
> Jeff Allen wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Been giving this thought for quite some time and now time to ask
> > opinions. When you paint an engine do you prime it first or just shoot
> > the color? If you prime it why? I shot the Maytag with no primer and
> > it's fine. Thinking of the same for the Sattley.
> >
> > I have built many auto engines and never primed them. Spray can engine
> > enamel over bare metal. Last one of mine had 75,000 plus with no paint
> > issues. Thoughts and comments welcome.
> >
> > Jeff Allen
> > Arvada, 98 degrees at 6 P.M., Colorado
> >
> > P.S. Always nice to get something like this in the inbox.
> >
> >> My Maytag 92 arrived a few days ago and I have started the
> >> restoration of it, having a great time doing so. I contacted Mark
> >> with a list of parts needed and I am just waiting to hear back on the
> >> postage, great guy and the prices are very reasonable.The tear down
> >> went pretty smooth, I could not belive the crud in the fuel tank it
> >> looked like tar!!! Can you do me a favor can you send me a link to
> >> your restoration site, for some reason I can not find it, those
> >> photos are very helpful. Also,  what spraypaint do you use on these
> >> motors that is a good match. Thanks again for your time. I will
> >> e-mail pictures when done so you can check it out.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jul 14 05:50:22 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:50:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wico mag on pig(let)
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV23A26ECA0D824823CA26DBBBD10@phx.gbl>

  Howdy all..little warm here lately, but the nights are kewl.

   Question please.  Is the Wico mag (on the pig and lets:-)) an "impulse" 
type mag?  I would think so being plug fired, but thot I'd ask.

   And any clue why ours won't "impulse?"  relative easy fix??

  This one Corky got (a piglet) definetly has the red flywheel and gray main 
castings, etc...  These are not all that common, correct???

   Anyone got a paint code for the gray?

TIA
RickinMt. 


From jnyost at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 14 05:51:23 2005
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:51:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
In-Reply-To: <1120829329.42ce7f919c297@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050714125123.16787.qmail@web40623.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey Arnie,

Little late to reply but putor has been sick at home
and been sooooooooooooooooo busy at work I ain't takin
time to look at emails. 

If I were you I would get a 100# used tank and hide it
some how like in a wood barrel or something. I think I
have seen a Red Reid with a system like that. HA!HA!

Jim


--- fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

> Hiya Folks,
> 
> I currently have a couple of the barbeque grill size
> propane tanks (~20 lb.?)
> that I'll be using for my 15 hp Bessemer half-breed;
> one for the hot tube and
> one for the engine.
> 
> I'd really like to get a larger one for running the
> engine.  What's the next
> "logical" size (50 lb.?) and where does one buy one?
>  The smaller sizes are
> available everywhere, but I don't recall seeing any
> of the larger ones.
> 
> Can you get them refilled at a "normal" propane
> refilling station?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> PS - I should be picking up the cylinder & piston
> this weekend so barking time
> isn't far away!!!
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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>
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> 


Jim and Janna Yost
Utica, Ohio
USA
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jul 14 05:59:59 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:59:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] IHC photo
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV46729DDAB3014042E65F7BBD10@phx.gbl>

Nice IHC display photo here.  Would swag the log cabin is made out of bale 
twine rolls and what is the machine in the back,, up against the wall?? 
seed cleaner/sorter

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7168409120

usual disclaimer
RickinMt. 


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jul 14 06:18:32 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:18:32 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump packing material
In-Reply-To: <071420051019.24601.42D63C4B000C86930000601921979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <071420051019.24601.42D63C4B000C86930000601921979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605071406186cf89f5f@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/14/05, cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> Some time ago I posted a similar request and found out from a old steamengine
> man that Telfon packing rope is the best there is.  Found it with alot of help
> from fellow list members thru McMaster Carr sources.  It isn't cheap, but
> works very very well.  I rebuild my 1905 Stover 5hp upright with it. The fuel
> pump works better then it ever did with the orginal stuff.  If you want some
> of these stuff I had to buy a full roll to get it and would sell you what you
> need.
> contact me off list,
> Curt Andree
> 
> 

By one of those coincidences that we often come across,  I was given a
new packet of Graphited PTFE packing this morning, made by James
Walker and sold as 'Flougraf' packing. One of our electronics
suppliers had bought a load of surplus stuff and this unopened pack
was in the shipment.

It is 3mm (1/8") diameter, and we can cut you a piece off the roll and
post it to you if that size is OK.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jul 14 06:46:33 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:46:33 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fuel Pump Packing
References: <002c01c5886d$7cfe98c0$afcc940c@mcness.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV21A7A78E5ABF832C39145EBBD10@phx.gbl>

Would someone PLEASE post a McMaster-Carr p/n for fuel pump packing from 
McMaster-Carr.  This ole brain cannot sort out the bazillion different kinds 
of packings, they list.

Thanks much
RickinMt.








----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe & Jewel Maurer" <toadhill at aeroinc.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 6:13 AM
Subject: [SEL] Fuel Pump Packing


To Mike Tucker,

Would recommend solid teflon packing.  It comes in large sizes and makes 
excellent packing with very little drag required to make a good seal. 
McMaster Carr Co. carries the packing.  Curt Andree got some for all of us 
and I packed his Stover pump with it.  Curt has the actual page of the 
catalog.  The old rope type packings are very poor for worn fuel pumps.

Regards,
Joe Maurer
Toadhill Farm
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Jul 14 06:52:58 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:52:58 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Wico mag on pig(let)
References: <BAY5-DAV23A26ECA0D824823CA26DBBBD10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000901c5887b$5b627020$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hi Rick,
Sunny and warm here too, do some lathe work in shorts.
At this address you can find your maggy ;
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Pigmag.jpg

I think your impuls spring is broken, that's mostly the trouble.

A gray engine with red flywheel is before 1939.
Paint codes are Dupont 98620 or 6923 gray.

The "machine" in the background seems to me a cooling tower
of a portable International engine, ( warm bum in the winter ).

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



>   Howdy all..little warm here lately, but the nights are kewl.
> 
>    Question please.  Is the Wico mag (on the pig and lets:-)) an "impulse" 
> type mag?  I would think so being plug fired, but thot I'd ask.
> 
>    And any clue why ours won't "impulse?"  relative easy fix??
> 
>   This one Corky got (a piglet) definetly has the red flywheel and gray main 
> castings, etc...  These are not all that common, correct???
> 
>    Anyone got a paint code for the gray?
> 
> TIA
> RickinMt. 




From andyglines at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 14 06:57:15 2005
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:57:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RE: Paint and primer 
In-Reply-To: <200507141000.j6EA09cI004273@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F22FE1E55078948C90AE84FC7D10@phx.gbl>

>Message: 16
>Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:01:21 -0600
>From: Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>
>Subject: [SEL] Paint and primer
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Cc: Oldengine list <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Message-ID: <42D5B961.50301 at earthlink.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Hi all,
>
>Been giving this thought for quite some time and now time to ask
>opinions. When you paint an engine do you prime it first or just shoot
>the color? If you prime it why? I shot the Maytag with no primer and
>it's fine. Thinking of the same for the Sattley.
>
>I have built many auto engines and never primed them. Spray can engine
>enamel over bare metal. Last one of mine had 75,000 plus with no paint
>issues. Thoughts and comments welcome.
>
>Jeff Allen
>Arvada, 98 degrees at 6 P.M., Colorado
>
I'm going to recommend that you use the primer before.  I usually use rather 
expensixe automotive finishes because of their shine and durability.  I 
learned a hard lesson when painting my (ahem....) tractor.  I had an area of 
clean cast iron to paint so I did.  The iron on casting acted like a sponge 
and my paint soaked in, looked terrible.  I had to recoat the casting 
several times before I got a good finish and this stuff is expensive.  I'm 
convinced that using primer would have sealed the area somewhat and my color 
would not have "soaked in"  thus saving me a lot of time and money.




From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Thu Jul 14 07:05:31 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 00:05:31 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
References: <20050710142210.ZPCW19806.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20050714221331.00b277a0@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <008a01c5887d$1e2778c0$e7a7ecdc@morris>

G'day Russell

Look to me like a M Virtue ?


Kerry



> Patrick do you recall what carbie was on the Richard Hornsby engine on 
> page one??
> Russell



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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jul 14 07:17:50 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 00:17:50 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050714221331.00b277a0@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <20050714141750.YTYB20351.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Hi Russell,
	I think it is one of the French ones (the name escapes me at the
moment). I can find out as that engine actually comes from Sydney (Paul will
know).

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----




From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jul 14 07:39:05 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:39:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Paint and primer, and Rhino liner
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV185CBB79B849F273BE9BB4BBD10@phx.gbl>
References: <42D5B961.50301@earthlink.net> <42D65246.2060802@imc-group.com>
	<BAY5-DAV185CBB79B849F273BE9BB4BBD10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42D67909.3000507@imc-group.com>

Rick,
The Rhino liner seems to be holding up well so far. No problems with 
rocks sticking in it. Maybe it is a harder product???....
Curt

Richard Strobel wrote:

>Just for experimenting and evaluating, I didn't prime Kathy's pump and jack 
>lawn ornament.  So far, so good, but it doesn't get moved, but has to bear 
>the Montana elements 24/7/365.  I'll take a good look at it today.
>
>   Corky's brother who used to paint cars for a living says that in our 
>hobby, priming is not necessary....but I have primed all the engine parts up 
>to date.
>
>  Curt, how do you like the Rhino liner on the wheel faces?  I've used a 
>similiar product and when it gets rolled on the 3/4" gravel driveway, the 
>gravel sticks to the wheel faces...not good when the transition to concrete 
>comes around.
>
>
>  
>



From mullt at att.net  Thu Jul 14 08:06:08 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:06:08 +0000
Subject: [SEL] RE: Paint and primer 
Message-ID: <071420051506.2097.42D67F5F000383F00000083121602807489B04049A03@att.net>

I have heard that clear shellac can be used as an inexpensive sealer before painting. Any body had any experience with that?

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Andy Glines" <andyglines at hotmail.com>
> >Message: 16
> >Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:01:21 -0600
> >From: Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>
> >Subject: [SEL] Paint and primer
> >To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Cc: Oldengine list <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> >Message-ID: <42D5B961.50301 at earthlink.net>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> >Hi all,
> >
> >Been giving this thought for quite some time and now time to ask
> >opinions. When you paint an engine do you prime it first or just shoot
> >the color? If you prime it why? I shot the Maytag with no primer and
> >it's fine. Thinking of the same for the Sattley.
> >
> >I have built many auto engines and never primed them. Spray can engine
> >enamel over bare metal. Last one of mine had 75,000 plus with no paint
> >issues. Thoughts and comments welcome.
> >
> >Jeff Allen
> >Arvada, 98 degrees at 6 P.M., Colorado
> >
> I'm going to recommend that you use the primer before.  I usually use rather 
> expensixe automotive finishes because of their shine and durability.  I 
> learned a hard lesson when painting my (ahem....) tractor.  I had an area of 
> clean cast iron to paint so I did.  The iron on casting acted like a sponge 
> and my paint soaked in, looked terrible.  I had to recoat the casting 
> several times before I got a good finish and this stuff is expensive.  I'm 
> convinced that using primer would have sealed the area somewhat and my color 
> would not have "soaked in"  thus saving me a lot of time and money.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From mtucker at uky.edu  Thu Jul 14 09:16:55 2005
From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:16:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump packing material-  THANKS!
In-Reply-To: <071420051019.24601.42D63C4B000C86930000601921979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mch
	si.com>
References: <071420051019.24601.42D63C4B000C86930000601921979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mch
	si.com>
Message-ID: <p06210203befc40275dd8@[128.163.81.76]>

Howdy all,

Thanks for all of the input on my questions about my Famous fuel 
pump!  You folks are full of great information.

Mike
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Midway, Kentucky, USA
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jul 14 12:34:24 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:34:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Follow-up to Hornsby-Akroyd Piston Question
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507141529220.29748@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

I received this reply from Ray Hooley regarding my question of a week or
so ago.  So if one has a piston with the removable lands feature, it's an
early one and thus probably quite rare.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:30:51 +0100
From: rehooley at tiscali.co.uk
To: fero_ah at city-net.com
Subject: RE: Fwd: [SEL] Hornsby-Akroyd Question

Hello Arnie.  Yes, I am familiar with the use of removable piston lands.
Hornsbys used them for a period in the early development of the Hornsby-Akroyd
engines.  It was a convenient way of varying the compression until they had
found the optimum - then they would produce a one-piece piston. I have drawings
of the various designs that they experimented with.  Regards, Ray Hooley.



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jul 14 13:53:59 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:53:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Re: [OFES] Larger Propane Tank
In-Reply-To: <1120829329.42ce7f919c297@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1120829329.42ce7f919c297@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507141650280.29748@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Thanks to everyone who provided advice and stories of what worked and what
didn't regarding propane tanks for gas supplies for oilfield engines.
I'll be going shopping over the next couple of weeks and will report back
on my success.  Thanks again!!  It is really appreciated.

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

> I currently have a couple of the barbeque grill size propane tanks (~20 lb.?)
> that I'll be using for my 10 hp Bessemer half-breed; one for the hot
> tube and one for the engine.
>
> I'd really like to get a larger one for running the engine.  What's the next
> "logical" size (50 lb.?) and where does one buy one?  The smaller sizes are
> available everywhere, but I don't recall seeing any of the larger ones.



From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jul 14 14:16:09 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:16:09 EDT
Subject: [SEL] IHC photo
Message-ID: <1fb.c892f56.30083019@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/14/2005 9:25:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

<< what is the machine in the back,, up against the wall?? 
 seed cleaner/sorter >>


Rick,

It appears to be another International engine, tray cooled, on wagon with 
high rise seat and foot rest.  If you have the 150 Years of IH book, check pg 113.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Jul 14 15:56:48 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:56:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] RE: Follow-up to Hornsby-Akroyd Piston Question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507141529220.29748@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <200507142257.j6EMvDCa000295@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


> I received this reply from Ray Hooley regarding my question 
> of a week or so ago.  So if one has a piston with the removable 
> lands feature, it's an early one and thus probably quite rare.

Hi Arnie,
Thanks for clarifying that.  Now we all know that if we find a Hornsby Akroyd
with removeable lands, that it is a rare and desireable engine as opposed to
those piece of shit  Hornsby Akroyds with the fixed piston.

Rob





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jul 14 20:54:49 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:54:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RE: Follow-up to Hornsby-Akroyd Piston Question
In-Reply-To: <200507142257.j6EMvDCa000295@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200507142257.j6EMvDCa000295@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <1121399689.42d73389c1e59@webmail.city-net.com>

Gee, anybody wanna guess who has a dog shit (one on every corner) plain piston
Hornsby-Akroyd?  Bummer, man!  Tell ya wot I'm gonna do.  As Slick Willey would
have said; "I feel your pain!"

And since I've caused you SUCH distress, I feel it only fair to relieve your
pain.  I'll take that common scrufty Hornsby-Akroyd off your hands.  And not
for scrap price, or even DOUBLE scrap price.  I'll go WAY OUT THERE and offer
you TRIPLE scrap price!!!!  Such a deal, and ONLY because you're such a GOOD
friend!!  BUT, I do expect that you'll deliver it to Portland for that money!

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>:

> > I received this reply from Ray Hooley regarding my question 
> > of a week or so ago.  So if one has a piston with the removable 
> > lands feature, it's an early one and thus probably quite rare.
> 
> Hi Arnie,
> Thanks for clarifying that.  Now we all know that if we find a Hornsby
> Akroyd with removeable lands, that it is a rare and desireable engine
> as opposed to those piece of shit  Hornsby Akroyds with the fixed piston.



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Fri Jul 15 00:58:10 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:58:10 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
References: <20050714141750.YTYB20351.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <006201c58912$f18c2f40$e7a7ecdc@morris>

G'Day Patrick

The French carby used on these engines is a Lonquemare but I think Russell 
is saying that the carby on the engine is not one of these.
Hard to tell from the photo but to me it looks much like the style used on 
MV's see the horrible coloured one on your page.
What do you think

Kerry


> Hi Russell,
> I think it is one of the French ones (the name escapes me at the
> moment). I can find out as that engine actually comes from Sydney (Paul 
> will
> know).
>



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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jul 15 01:34:57 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:34:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050714221331.00b277a0@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <20050715083455.DVOQ20351.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Hi Russell,
	After a quick phone call I have confirmed that it is actually a M-V
carby and not the correct French one. Apparently it runs a lot better on the
M-V carby.
I did not pay a lot of attention to the engine as if it is English and not a
Blackstone I am not interested ;)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----
Patrick do you recall what carbie was on the Richard Hornsby engine on page 
one??
Russell





From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Jul 15 04:56:23 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:56:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
In-Reply-To: <20050715083455.DVOQ20351.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050714221331.00b277a0@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050715215115.00b3c958@mail.ncable.com.au>

Oh dear Patrick, I will remember this next time you have the oportunity to 
purchase a quality Hornsby engine :-)  It sounds pretty odd for a hornsby 
to run better off the MV carby. Perhaps us Hornsby owners should throw our 
lovely brass Lonquemare carbies to the shit house and put a rare MV on. 
Just imagin what would happen to the price of all the little MV's kicking 
about the vast waste land.
  Russell



At 06:34 PM 15/07/2005 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Russell,
>         After a quick phone call I have confirmed that it is actually a M-V
>carby and not the correct French one. Apparently it runs a lot better on the
>M-V carby.
>I did not pay a lot of attention to the engine as if it is English and not a
>Blackstone I am not interested ;)
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>-----Original Message-----
>Patrick do you recall what carbie was on the Richard Hornsby engine on page
>one??
>Russell
>
>
>
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
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http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Jul 15 05:15:28 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:15:28 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050715215115.00b3c958@mail.ncable.com.au>
References: <20050715083455.DVOQ20351.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20050714221331.00b277a0@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050715221439.02c28358@mail.ncable.com.au>


>Hang onto your hats boys, A RARE carby on ebay

Item number: 7335246661



Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jul 15 05:18:36 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:18:36 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050715215115.00b3c958@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <20050715121834.HAON23311.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I think you may be better off to keep your brass Lonquemare carby and throw
the engine away. 
My source who told me they run better on the M-V carby has more Hornsbys
than common sense, you can guess who I mean and you can take it up with him
;)
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----
Oh dear Patrick, I will remember this next time you have the oportunity to 
purchase a quality Hornsby engine :-)  It sounds pretty odd for a hornsby 
to run better off the MV carby. Perhaps us Hornsby owners should throw our 
lovely brass Lonquemare carbies to the shit house and put a rare MV on. 
Just imagin what would happen to the price of all the little MV's kicking 
about the vast waste land.
  Russell





From mickc at vic.australis.com.au  Fri Jul 15 05:32:21 2005
From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:32:21 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
References: <20050715121834.HAON23311.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <003601c58939$4015f850$36af57ca@n>

Hey Patrick
I know Brock likes his moffats as well but dont tell that the carbys are 
rare other wise Edd will never get any of Brocks engines, especially trhe 
gold plated ones!!
   Cheers
         Mick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:18 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Timbertown


>I think you may be better off to keep your brass Lonquemare carby and throw
> the engine away.
> My source who told me they run better on the M-V carby has more Hornsbys
> than common sense, you can guess who I mean and you can take it up with 
> him
> ;)
> Patrick
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Oh dear Patrick, I will remember this next time you have the oportunity to
> purchase a quality Hornsby engine :-)  It sounds pretty odd for a hornsby
> to run better off the MV carby. Perhaps us Hornsby owners should throw our
> lovely brass Lonquemare carbies to the shit house and put a rare MV on.
> Just imagin what would happen to the price of all the little MV's kicking
> about the vast waste land.
>  Russell
>
>
>
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From andyglines at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 15 06:04:58 2005
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:04:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RE: Paint and primer
In-Reply-To: <200507151000.j6FA0Anq018573@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F2075DBE54E8722DADB87A2C7D00@phx.gbl>

>Message: 17
>Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:06:08 +0000
>From: mullt at att.net
>Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Paint and primer
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>

>
>I have heard that clear shellac can be used as an inexpensive sealer before 
>painting. Any body had any experience with that?

That depends on the kind of paint that you will be putting on top of it.  
The PPG Delstar that I use would probably lift if applied over a shellac.  I 
suspect that the popular Dupont Imron will have the same problem.  Just 
follow the directions that come with the paint.  Makers like Dupont and PPG 
have very thorough instructions that tell you what you can & can't paint 
over.  In general, the more expensive the paint the more particular it is 
about the surface it will be applied to.  You do not have to use very 
expensive epoxy primers to get good results for your top coat.  I typically 
use a rather generic lower cost gray primer on my stuff.  Available a 
automotive paint and supply stores.  I also use the cheap lacquer thinner 
for the primer and for clean up.




From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jul 15 08:08:22 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:08:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RE: Paint and primer
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F2075DBE54E8722DADB87A2C7D00@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY104-F2075DBE54E8722DADB87A2C7D00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42D7D166.3010209@imc-group.com>

Andy Glines wrote:

>>
>> I have heard that clear shellac can be used as an inexpensive sealer 
>> before painting. Any body had any experience with that?
>
>
> That depends on the kind of paint that you will be putting on top of 
> it.  The PPG Delstar that I use would probably lift if applied over a 
> shellac.  I suspect that the popular Dupont Imron will have the same 
> problem.  Just follow the directions that come with the paint.  Makers 
> like Dupont and PPG have very thorough instructions that tell you what 
> you can & can't paint over.  In general, the more expensive the paint 
> the more particular it is about the surface it will be applied to.  
> You do not have to use very expensive epoxy primers to get good 
> results for your top coat.  I typically use a rather generic lower 
> cost gray primer on my stuff.  Available a automotive paint and supply 
> stores.  I also use the cheap lacquer thinner for the primer and for 
> clean up.

Andy,
Like the shellac, any solvent based primer is going to lift even under 
the best 2 part top coats if a solvent like gasoline spends much time on 
the paint. For years I used lacquer based primer surfacers on both 
automotive finishes and engines. These were top coated with Dupont 
Imron. This combination works fine on automobile finishes because you 
rarely have scratches/chips combined with the presence of gasoline. On 
engines it is a different story. This is why I have finally made the 
switch to 2 part primers. This way the primer is as inert to the 
gasoline as is the top coat. Nothing other than sand blasting will lift 
the paint on an engine/tractor painted with 2 part primer and then 2 
part color coat.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From mullt at att.net  Fri Jul 15 12:07:47 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:07:47 +0000
Subject: [SEL] RE: Paint and primer
Message-ID: <071520051907.10029.42D809820008791E0000272D21603763169B04049A03@att.net>

Sooo....if you are like me and you screw the paint job up when you are spraying it on, the only way to fix the screw up is to sand blast it off and start over.

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
> Andy Glines wrote:
> 
> >>
> >> I have heard that clear shellac can be used as an inexpensive sealer 
> >> before painting. Any body had any experience with that?
> >
> >
> > That depends on the kind of paint that you will be putting on top of 
> > it.  The PPG Delstar that I use would probably lift if applied over a 
> > shellac.  I suspect that the popular Dupont Imron will have the same 
> > problem.  Just follow the directions that come with the paint.  Makers 
> > like Dupont and PPG have very thorough instructions that tell you what 
> > you can & can't paint over.  In general, the more expensive the paint 
> > the more particular it is about the surface it will be applied to.  
> > You do not have to use very expensive epoxy primers to get good 
> > results for your top coat.  I typically use a rather generic lower 
> > cost gray primer on my stuff.  Available a automotive paint and supply 
> > stores.  I also use the cheap lacquer thinner for the primer and for 
> > clean up.
> 
> Andy,
> Like the shellac, any solvent based primer is going to lift even under 
> the best 2 part top coats if a solvent like gasoline spends much time on 
> the paint. For years I used lacquer based primer surfacers on both 
> automotive finishes and engines. These were top coated with Dupont 
> Imron. This combination works fine on automobile finishes because you 
> rarely have scratches/chips combined with the presence of gasoline. On 
> engines it is a different story. This is why I have finally made the 
> switch to 2 part primers. This way the primer is as inert to the 
> gasoline as is the top coat. Nothing other than sand blasting will lift 
> the paint on an engine/tractor painted with 2 part primer and then 2 
> part color coat.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Jul 15 21:27:27 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:27:27
Subject: [SEL] Cloth covered ignition wire
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050715212727.009ca008@127.0.0.1>

Hello the List,
	Can anyone give me another source of "woven cotton jacket" ignition wire
as supplied by Lee.W.Pedersen. I would buy from him with pleasure but he
does not accept credit cards and that would be the easiest for me to use
from South Africa. (Paypal also does not recognise South Africa).
	I do not need much - maybe 10' of each of a few colours.
	
	
	
Best regards
Jerry Evans.
Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery

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Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191
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eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za
Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa






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From nick at holden1.net  Fri Jul 15 12:37:07 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:37:07 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] portland
Message-ID: <42D81063.000003.03124@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Hi i am trying to plan a trip over to Portland if i can get the
time off work what is the best / closest airport to fly to 
from the UK 
 
nick
 
 
Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden



From tsmith at hal-pc.org  Fri Jul 15 12:54:11 2005
From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:54:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cloth covered ignition wire
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20050715212727.009ca008@127.0.0.1>
References: <3.0.6.32.20050715212727.009ca008@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <web-181830427@mail.hal-pc.org>

Jerry,
You might try:

The Brillman Company
2328 Pepper Rd.
Mt. Jackson, VA 22842-2445

Sorry, I don't have the email address but they are one of the ad 
supporters on Enginads.com

Have a nice weekend,
tom


On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:27:27
  Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:
> Hello the List,
> 	Can anyone give me another source of "woven cotton jacket" ignition 
>wire
> as supplied by Lee.W.Pedersen. I would buy from him with pleasure 
>but he
> does not accept credit cards and that would be the easiest for me to 
>use
> from South Africa. (Paypal also does not recognise South Africa).
> 	I do not need much - maybe 10' of each of a few colours.
> 	
> 	
> 	
> Best regards
> Jerry Evans.
> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery
> 
> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery   ----- The lower cost Data 
>Recovery
> Alternative !
> We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus 
>attack
> / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or 
>Partition Loss
> (FDISK).
> We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes.
> Visit our site:
> http://www.databak.co.za
> Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191
> Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787
> eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za
> Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From nick at holden1.net  Fri Jul 15 12:56:09 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:56:09 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] Cloth covered ignition wire
References: <3.0.6.32.20050715212727.009ca008@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <42D814D9.000001.03368@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Hi jerry you could try this
 http://www.vintagewiringofmaine.com/    or
http://www.magnetoparts.com/index.html   this

nick


 
Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
 nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Jerry Evans
Date: 07/15/05 20:38:49
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Cloth covered ignition wire
 
Hello the List,
  Can anyone give me another source of "woven cotton jacket" ignition wire
as supplied by Lee.W.Pedersen. I would buy from him with pleasure but he
does not accept credit cards and that would be the easiest for me to use
from South Africa. (Paypal also does not recognise South Africa).
  I do not need much - maybe 10' of each of a few colours.
 
 
 
Best regards
Jerry Evans.
Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery
 
Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery   ----- The lower cost Data Recovery
Alternative !
We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack
/ Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss
(FDISK).
We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes.
Visit our site:
http://www.databak.co.za
Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191
Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787
eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za
Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa
 
 
 
 
 
 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 15 13:00:15 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:00:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] portland
In-Reply-To: <42D81063.000003.03124@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
References: <42D81063.000003.03124@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
Message-ID: <6f60251605071513001d78168c@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/15/05, nick <nick at holden1.net> wrote:
> Hi i am trying to plan a trip over to Portland if i can get the
> time off work what is the best / closest airport to fly to
> from the UK
> 
> nick
> 

Fort Wayne (FWA)

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 15 13:02:41 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:02:41 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Cloth covered ignition wire
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20050715212727.009ca008@127.0.0.1>
References: <3.0.6.32.20050715212727.009ca008@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <6f6025160507151302fcda6c3@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:27:27, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:
> Hello the List,
>         Can anyone give me another source of "woven cotton jacket" ignition wire
> as supplied by Lee.W.Pedersen. I would buy from him with pleasure but he
> does not accept credit cards and that would be the easiest for me to use
> from South Africa. (Paypal also does not recognise South Africa).
>         I do not need much - maybe 10' of each of a few colours.
> Best regards
> Jerry Evans.
> 

Send cash, it's just as easy and we do it a lot for things we buy
where we cannot use CC or PayPal. You should be able to send it
Recorded Delivery or 'Signed For', it costs a few sheckels more but it
works fine.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 15 13:04:57 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:04:57 +0100
Subject: [SEL] portland
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605071513001d78168c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <42D81063.000003.03124@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
	<6f60251605071513001d78168c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605071513047f4703fa@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/15/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/15/05, nick <nick at holden1.net> wrote:
> > Hi i am trying to plan a trip over to Portland if i can get the
> > time off work what is the best / closest airport to fly to
> > from the UK
> >
> > nick
> >
> 
> Fort Wayne (FWA)
> 
> Peter

Heathrow/Chicago/Fort Wayne
Heathrow/Detroit/Fort Wayne

You cannot get a direct flight into FWA from the UK, you have to
change at one of the big hubs first.

American and Northwest both fly daily, gonna be expensive at short
notice though, we booked ours back in February....

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From klpbessemer at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 15 13:20:36 2005
From: klpbessemer at earthlink.net (Kent)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:20:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland
In-Reply-To: <42D81063.000003.03124@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
Message-ID: <200507152021.j6FKLZvv018206@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Nick,

Fort Wayne, Indiana-50 miles; Dayton, Ohio-85 miles; Indianapolis,
Indiana-106 miles, all three airports are similar in size and service.
Cincinnati, Ohio is 156 miles, but it is a much larger airport and may be
better suited for international flights.

I use Fort Wayne once or twice a month for business travel and find it
adequate for flights within the US.

Kent Park
Bluffton, Indiana


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of nick
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 2:37 PM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] portland

Hi i am trying to plan a trip over to Portland if i can get the
time off work what is the best / closest airport to fly to 
from the UK 
 
nick
 
 
Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden

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From mmco at cox-internet.com  Fri Jul 15 13:26:26 2005
From: mmco at cox-internet.com (Bo)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:26:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cloth covered ignition wire
References: <3.0.6.32.20050715212727.009ca008@127.0.0.1>
	<web-181830427@mail.hal-pc.org>
Message-ID: <000801c5897b$7a1b0120$bda7e244@bo8c0f983ca9d7>

When you say ignition wire , are you wanting high tension wire or a # 12 or 
14 wire for 6 or 12 volts .
Let me know which one and I will roll you off some and send it .

Bo Hinch




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Smith" <tsmith at hal-pc.org>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cloth covered ignition wire


Jerry,
You might try:

The Brillman Company
2328 Pepper Rd.
Mt. Jackson, VA 22842-2445

Sorry, I don't have the email address but they are one of the ad
supporters on Enginads.com

Have a nice weekend,
tom


On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:27:27
  Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:
> Hello the List,
> Can anyone give me another source of "woven cotton jacket" ignition
>wire
> as supplied by Lee.W.Pedersen. I would buy from him with pleasure
>but he
> does not accept credit cards and that would be the easiest for me to
>use
> from South Africa. (Paypal also does not recognise South Africa).
> I do not need much - maybe 10' of each of a few colours.
>
>
>
> Best regards
> Jerry Evans.
> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery
>
> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery   ----- The lower cost Data
>Recovery
> Alternative !
> We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus
>attack
> / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or
>Partition Loss
> (FDISK).
> We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes.
> Visit our site:
> http://www.databak.co.za
> Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191
> Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787
> eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za
> Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jul 15 13:48:23 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:48:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wico mag on pig(let)
References: <BAY5-DAV23A26ECA0D824823CA26DBBBD10@phx.gbl>
	<000901c5887b$5b627020$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV6B60ECC5547D4D49FA521BBD00@phx.gbl>

Thank you John..as usual YOU DA MAN!!!!

Take Care,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Wico mag on pig(let)


> Hi Rick,
> Sunny and warm here too, do some lathe work in shorts.
> At this address you can find your maggy ;
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Pigmag.jpg
>
> I think your impuls spring is broken, that's mostly the trouble.
>
> A gray engine with red flywheel is before 1939.
> Paint codes are Dupont 98620 or 6923 gray.
>
> The "machine" in the background seems to me a cooling tower
> of a portable International engine, ( warm bum in the winter ).
>
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
>
>
>
> >   Howdy all..little warm here lately, but the nights are kewl.
> >
> >    Question please.  Is the Wico mag (on the pig and lets:-)) an 
> > "impulse"
> > type mag?  I would think so being plug fired, but thot I'd ask.
> >
> >    And any clue why ours won't "impulse?"  relative easy fix??
> >
> >   This one Corky got (a piglet) definetly has the red flywheel and gray 
> > main
> > castings, etc...  These are not all that common, correct???
> >
> >    Anyone got a paint code for the gray?
> >
> > TIA
> > RickinMt.
>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jul 15 14:13:10 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:13:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] portland
In-Reply-To: <42D81063.000003.03124@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
References: <42D81063.000003.03124@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507151624130.45534@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Nick,

I think your best bet is to fly into Chicago, Illinois.  From there you
could either rent a car and drive to Portland, Indiana or get a commuter
flight to Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, or possibly Muncie.  But I'd bet that
airport waiting time plus the flight would be about the same as just
driving.  You should also check on motel availability before booking your
travel.  The best bets are to stay in Decatur, IN (north of Portland) or
in Muncie, IN (SW of Portland).

Looking forward to seeing you at Portland!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, nick wrote:

> Hi i am trying to plan a trip over to Portland if i can get the
> time off work what is the best / closest airport to fly to
> from the UK


From oldengin at udata.com  Fri Jul 15 14:23:23 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:23:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cloth covered ignition wire
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20050715212727.009ca008@127.0.0.1>
References: <3.0.6.32.20050715212727.009ca008@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <42D8294B.1080807@udata.com>

Jerry Evans wrote:

>Hello the List,
>	Can anyone give me another source of "woven cotton jacket" ignition wire
>as supplied by Lee.W.Pedersen. I would buy from him with pleasure but he
>does not accept credit cards and that would be the easiest for me to use
>from South Africa. (Paypal also does not recognise South Africa).
>	I do not need much - maybe 10' of each of a few colours.
>	
>	
>	
>Best regards
>Jerry Evans.
>Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery
>
>Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery   ----- The lower cost Data Recovery
>Alternative !
>We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack
>/ Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss
>(FDISK).
>We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes.
>Visit our site:
>http://www.databak.co.za
>Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191
>Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787
>eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za
>Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa
>
>
>
>
>
>
>---
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>  
>
On our list is a fellow named Dave Reed. Otto Engine Works, try him....  
(One of the good guys)

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jul 15 14:48:27 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:48:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Cloth covered ignition wire
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20050715212727.009ca008@127.0.0.1>
References: <3.0.6.32.20050715212727.009ca008@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507151744200.45534@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Jerry,

Starbolt carries it and takes orders over the phone and happily accepts
credit cards.

His contact info can be found on Harry's Suppliers page.
http://www.enginads.com/bizcards.shtml

Hit & Miss probably also carries the wire.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, Jerry Evans wrote:

> 	Can anyone give me another source of "woven cotton jacket" ignition wire
> as supplied by Lee.W.Pedersen. I would buy from him with pleasure but he
> does not accept credit cards and that would be the easiest for me to use
> from South Africa. (Paypal also does not recognise South Africa).
> 	I do not need much - maybe 10' of each of a few colours.


From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Fri Jul 15 16:16:42 2005
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:16:42 +0100
Subject: [SEL] portland
References: <42D81063.000003.03124@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
Message-ID: <006801c58993$518e3840$55842f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi , Nick ,
        Last year when we were over at Portland we stayed at BLUFFTON which 
is about a 30 minute drive from Portland but it was booked in Febuary . From 
memory you could be struggling to get accomidation  anywhere near Portland 
this
                        Regards   Craig   ,  from Scotland
P.S Beware of the school childern and the questionarie , especiaqlly if you 
are not from Indiana ,ie ; from the U.K
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "nick" <nick at holden1.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 8:37 PM
Subject: [SEL] portland


> Hi i am trying to plan a trip over to Portland if i can get the
> time off work what is the best / closest airport to fly to
> from the UK
>
> nick
>
>
> Nick Holden
> Banbury
> Oxfordshire (UK)
> nick at holden1.net
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jul 15 16:45:10 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:45:10 +1000
Subject: [SEL] portland
References: <42D81063.000003.03124@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
Message-ID: <00a901c58997$3e683190$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I suggest you book now for NEXT year!
Then we can meet up as well! <G>
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "nick" <nick at holden1.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 5:37 AM
Subject: [SEL] portland


> Hi i am trying to plan a trip over to Portland if i can get the
> time off work what is the best / closest airport to fly to 
> from the UK 
> 
> nick
> 
> 
> Nick Holden
> Banbury
> Oxfordshire (UK)
> nick at holden1.net
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From bmvid at snet.net  Fri Jul 15 18:16:06 2005
From: bmvid at snet.net (Mick DeMaria)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:16:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Quinibog, Colchester CT
Message-ID: <42D85FD6.2060807@snet.net>

  Any list members going to the QVEA show at Zagray Farms in Colchester 
CT his weekend??
   http://www.qvea.org/qvea_frames.asp
   Mick


From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jul 15 19:03:41 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:03:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] portland
In-Reply-To: <00a901c58997$3e683190$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <42D81063.000003.03124@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
	<00a901c58997$3e683190$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050715220156.03d00138@mail.alltel.net>


>>Hi i am trying to plan a trip over to Portland if i can get the
>>time off work what is the best / closest airport to fly to from the UK
>>nick
>>
>>Nick Holden

Hi Nick, I think that Portland has an airport. it's about 2 miles from the 
show grounds. Steve Webre and his son flew in there several years ago.
         Dave  



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Jul 15 19:06:43 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:06:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] portland
In-Reply-To: <42D81063.000003.03124@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
Message-ID: <200507160206.j6G26lx8006332@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

> Hi i am trying to plan a trip over to Portland if i can get the
> time off work what is the best / closest airport to fly to 
> from the UK 


Hiya Nick!  

Don't "try." 

"Do."

Kelley and I have flown into Fort Wayne, which is a short drive to Portland, but
involves an extra connector flight.  Indianappolis is a about an hour's drive
longer, but we can fly there in less time.  

Hope to see you in a few weeks.
Rob




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jul 15 21:56:41 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:56:41 +1000
Subject: [SEL] BYB
Message-ID: <015f01c589c3$d88610e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Help please. I have a mate who wants to buy a copy of the new BYB
What would be the emaol contact address or postal, whatever.
I can pay for him by US check if needed.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 15 22:59:14 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 06:59:14 +0100
Subject: [SEL] portland
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507151624130.45534@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <42D81063.000003.03124@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0507151624130.45534@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605071522593f45ccb7@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/15/05, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> Hi Nick,
> 
> I think your best bet is to fly into Chicago, Illinois.  From there you
> could either rent a car and drive to Portland, Indiana or get a commuter
> flight to Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, or possibly Muncie.  But I'd bet that
> airport waiting time plus the flight would be about the same as just
> driving.  You should also check on motel availability before booking your
> travel.  The best bets are to stay in Decatur, IN (north of Portland) or
> in Muncie, IN (SW of Portland).
> 
> Looking forward to seeing you at Portland!!
> 
> See ya,  Arnie

The Super8 in Muncie nearly always has rooms, the guy that runs it is
really helpful:

His contact details: 

vinaypatel21 at yahoo.com

Super8 Motel
3601 W. Foxridge Lane
Muncie, IN, 47304

001 765-286-4333

We normally call him to confirm what we have arranged the previous year...

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 15 23:46:43 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 07:46:43 +0100
Subject: [SEL] BYB
In-Reply-To: <015f01c589c3$d88610e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <015f01c589c3$d88610e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <6f60251605071523464538b164@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/16/05, R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
> Help please. I have a mate who wants to buy a copy of the new BYB
> What would be the emaol contact address or postal, whatever.
> I can pay for him by US check if needed.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.

At present, he only seems to be shipping to the USA, but we have
arranged with him to get a block order together for some to come to
the UK by media mail (M Bag)

The $50 price included mail to USA destinations only.

His email that we have been talking to him on is:  

pchazman at hotmail.com

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jul 16 00:12:27 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:12:27 +1000
Subject: [SEL] BYB
References: <015f01c589c3$d88610e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<6f60251605071523464538b164@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <017601c589d8$ce296dd0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Thanks Pete.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB


> On 7/16/05, R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
>> Help please. I have a mate who wants to buy a copy of the new BYB
>> What would be the emaol contact address or postal, whatever.
>> I can pay for him by US check if needed.
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> 
> At present, he only seems to be shipping to the USA, but we have
> arranged with him to get a block order together for some to come to
> the UK by media mail (M Bag)
> 
> The $50 price included mail to USA destinations only.
> 
> His email that we have been talking to him on is:  
> 
> pchazman at hotmail.com
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> 
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sat Jul 16 05:39:53 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:39:53 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Portland
References: <200507152021.j6FKLZvv018206@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <002101c58a03$783b14c0$7485dccb@oemcomputer>

On my first visit to Portland I went to Chicargo then a domestic flight to
Fort Wayne.Then picked up a rental car at Fort Wayne and drove to
Portland.This was all organised by a travel agent and it worked
great.Driving on the wrong side of the road for the first time was different
but soon got the hang of it.All my flights were on United including the Fort
Wayne leg.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent" <klpbessemer at earthlink.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 6:20
Subject: RE: [SEL] Portland


> Nick,
>
> Fort Wayne, Indiana-50 miles; Dayton, Ohio-85 miles; Indianapolis,
> Indiana-106 miles, all three airports are similar in size and service.
> Cincinnati, Ohio is 156 miles, but it is a much larger airport and may be
> better suited for international flights.
>
> I use Fort Wayne once or twice a month for business travel and find it
> adequate for flights within the US.
>
> Kent Park
> Bluffton, Indiana
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of nick
> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 2:37 PM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] portland
>
> Hi i am trying to plan a trip over to Portland if i can get the
> time off work what is the best / closest airport to fly to
> from the UK
>
> nick
>
>
> Nick Holden
> Banbury
> Oxfordshire (UK)
> nick at holden1.net
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
>
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sat Jul 16 05:41:55 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:41:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cloth covered ignition wire
References: <3.0.6.32.20050715212727.009ca008@127.0.0.1><web-181830427@mail.hal-pc.org>
	<000801c5897b$7a1b0120$bda7e244@bo8c0f983ca9d7>
Message-ID: <002701c58a03$c08c91e0$7485dccb@oemcomputer>

Starbolt engine supply's have what you want and they take credit cards
without any problems.They also send out real quick.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bo" <mmco at cox-internet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 6:26
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cloth covered ignition wire


> When you say ignition wire , are you wanting high tension wire or a # 12
or
> 14 wire for 6 or 12 volts .
> Let me know which one and I will roll you off some and send it .
>
> Bo Hinch
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Smith" <tsmith at hal-pc.org>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cloth covered ignition wire
>
>
> Jerry,
> You might try:
>
> The Brillman Company
> 2328 Pepper Rd.
> Mt. Jackson, VA 22842-2445
>
> Sorry, I don't have the email address but they are one of the ad
> supporters on Enginads.com
>
> Have a nice weekend,
> tom
>
>
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:27:27
>   Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:
> > Hello the List,
> > Can anyone give me another source of "woven cotton jacket" ignition
> >wire
> > as supplied by Lee.W.Pedersen. I would buy from him with pleasure
> >but he
> > does not accept credit cards and that would be the easiest for me to
> >use
> > from South Africa. (Paypal also does not recognise South Africa).
> > I do not need much - maybe 10' of each of a few colours.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best regards
> > Jerry Evans.
> > Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery
> >
> > Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery   ----- The lower cost Data
> >Recovery
> > Alternative !
> > We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus
> >attack
> > / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or
> >Partition Loss
> > (FDISK).
> > We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes.
> > Visit our site:
> > http://www.databak.co.za
> > Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191
> > Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787
> > eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za
> > Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
> >
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From nick at holden1.net  Sat Jul 16 06:24:56 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:24:56 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] BYB
References: <015f01c589c3$d88610e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <42D90AA8.000003.02368@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Reg the ad in gas engine magazine says checks accepted in $ US
but email him to get price
when i talked to him it was an extra $10 to send to england
 pchazman at hotmail.com

nick

 
Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
 nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
-------Original Message-------
 
From: R & M Ingold
Date: 07/16/05 06:17:03
To: The SEL email discussion list
Cc: colin lindsay howells
Subject: [SEL] BYB
 
Help please. I have a mate who wants to buy a copy of the new BYB
What would be the emaol contact address or postal, whatever.
I can pay for him by US check if needed.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
 
 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jul 16 06:41:04 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:41:04 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
Message-ID: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>

Some time back we did a page or three of old switchboard meters that
we had collected, but we lost the page link in the menu reshuffle last
year.

Now we have added four pages of early type knife switches as well, and
reinstated the pages:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Switchboard/Fuse1.htm

The original pages are Nos 1 - 4, the latest pages are 5 - 8.

The pages can also be reached through the 'Miscellaneous' icon on the
main menu page, there is an item on the Miscellaneous menu now.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From nick at holden1.net  Sat Jul 16 07:14:49 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:14:49 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] Fw: [STATIONARY_FLYWHEEL_ENGINES] gas engine info needed
Message-ID: <42D91659.000001.02428@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

 can any one help on the list
nick 

 
Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
 nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
-------Original Message-------
 
From: cerwin007ca
Date: 07/16/05 14:39:48
To: STATIONARY_FLYWHEEL_ENGINES at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STATIONARY_FLYWHEEL_ENGINES] gas engine info needed
 
 
Hi all, I am looking for info on the floowing engines and was
wandering if any one elese here had any information or one of these
engines, Thanks for you time.
 
cerwin
 
 
The engines are as follows
 
#1 - J.A.FELLOWS - any info on engines or pumps or who exactly made
them, a freind of mine picked one up a few years ago and we have
been hunting for info ever since, have here that J.A.FELLOWS worked
for G.S at M goold shaply and miur at one time then starte makeing his
own (don't know for how long or when exactly) also heard that
Sandwich and gsm may have a connection but this is all info I have
found on the net. Any help or comments would be great.
 
 
#2 - Have what I belive is a GRAY gas engine but has no plates on
it, has the following numbers cast into it - 19 on both flywheels 29
on the water hooper and IHC  or 1HC cast into top of head, I had a
chance to take a look at a gray and the two engine where alomost
exact with the same #'s cast in and everthing but his engine has
gray cast right into the water hopper in large letters with some
other info and mine has non of this?
 
 
#3 - Gilson modle X 1918? - a 3 HP gilson made in guelph ont canada
which the previous owner told us was of 1918 vintage, but I can fine
no info on the modle X and have been tol that the plant stoped
makeing engines in 1917 also my engine is almost the same as the
modle C only the carb is on top on mine and down below on the C and
info would be welcome
 
 
#4 - Dose any one have instruction books or manuals or just starting
and running info on a 4.5 hp  type two massy harris ? got fuel and
spark (but may be too week) and had the tractor turning the engine
over for a hour last week and still can't get the thing to fire.
 
 
Well that's all for now have a few more question but don't want to
ask over my quota.
 
 
 
 
 
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From falcon at telenet.net  Sat Jul 16 08:42:57 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:42:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT:  I.C.E. on your cell phone
Message-ID: <00f601c58a1d$0ad5de00$b51117d1@net.telenet.net>

http://www.komotv.com/stories/37952.htm

This is something that might be a good idea for folks with cell phones.

SEATTLE - A unique campaign is gaining a lot of momentum in England in
the wake of last week's deadly bombings. The effort involves how your
cell phone could actually help save your life.

Since the tragedy a week ago today, cell phone users in England are
being urged to program in a new number, and label that number with the
letters I-C-E. That stands for "In case of emergency."

If you become unconscious, rescuers could scroll through your phone, and
know exactly who to call, gleaning information that could potentially
save your life.

I asked Jim Bowman at King County's 911 Center if he's ever heard of
"ICE?"

"No, I haven't," Bowman responded.

But he really likes the idea.

"I'll bring it up with my boss today," Bowman said. "It sounds like
something she'll probably want to promote."

And well before any official campaign begins here. "In fact, I'll
probably do my phone when we're through talking," Bowman told KOMO News.

"If there is a number in their phone, an 'ICE' number, we can use that
as a tool," says Seattle Fire Captain Preston Bang, who says it could
help in a variety of situations. "Something as simple as a car accident,
or maybe as complex as a subway bombing."

It may take a while to catch on, and any campaign here will take time to
develop, but you can help start the life saving conversation by
programming your ICE number right now.

**NOTE As of 3:30pm Thursday, I've received numerous email responses to
the article, each with a suggestion on how to make your "ICE" number a
little more visible to a rescuer or police officer. One of the best
suggestions is putting a dot or "." before the letters "I-C-E." By doing
this, your "ICE" number will be at the very top of your phone book, thus
very easy to spot. Another thing: Many cell phones won't let you put in
the same number twice, so try what I tried. If your "ICE" is the same
number as someone else on your list, just put a "1" in front of the area
code and phone number...much like you would if you were dialing from a
"land line." Your cell doesn't care whether you use a "1" or not most of
the time. Several have said they'll be passing this story along to
co-workers to help get the word out. One of the best ways to do this is
click on the link under the picture of the cell phone. In the section
marked "Tools," click on "Email this story." -BC




Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown, New York




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jul 16 09:04:41 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:04:41 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>

Very nicely done Peter.  I have never seen the quick breaks before.

  Soon we will be headed up to the old silver mine and see if we can find 
switchboard or any other sparks that may have went along with our Universal 
GenSet.  The PO says everything but the genset was destroyed in a fire..we 
will see.

Thanks fer sharin'
RickinMt.


>
> Now we have added four pages of early type knife switches as well, and
> reinstated the pages:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Switchboard/Fuse1.htm
>
> The original pages are Nos 1 - 4, the latest pages are 5 - 8.
>
> The pages can also be reached through the 'Miscellaneous' icon on the
> main menu page, there is an item on the Miscellaneous menu now.
>
> Peter 


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jul 16 10:25:40 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:25:40 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/16/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> Very nicely done Peter.  I have never seen the quick breaks before.
> 
>   Soon we will be headed up to the old silver mine and see if we can find
> switchboard or any other sparks that may have went along with our Universal
> GenSet.  The PO says everything but the genset was destroyed in a fire..we
> will see.
> 
> Thanks fer sharin'
> RickinMt.
> 

Quick breaks were fitted to DC switches to prevent arcing across as
the load current was broken. It's still a problem, even today!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jul 16 11:12:58 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:12:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>
	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>

> Quick breaks were fitted to DC switches to prevent arcing across as
> the load current was broken. It's still a problem, even today!

Direct current still works pretty much the same way as it has for a 
long time.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From MBellar at aol.com  Sat Jul 16 13:19:11 2005
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:19:11 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Larger/now On Demand Regulator
Message-ID: <e8.17613bc3.300ac5bf@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/8/2005 5:29:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
rotigel at alltel.net writes:

PS, If  you need one before the show (or will not make the fall Coolspring 
show)  I'll post Jake's phone # and snail to the List in several weeks (if  
asked.) Jake's mother died three days ago, so I think we should leave him  
alone for several weeks!



Dave;
 
I would like to contact Jake sometime in the near future about a demand  
regulator. Do you know if he normally attends the Portland show?
 
Tom


From enginepaul at aol.com  Sat Jul 16 15:07:12 2005
From: enginepaul at aol.com (enginepaul at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:07:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear - getting way OT
In-Reply-To: <825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>
	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <8C75869DA160DBA-B7C-B960@mblk-r38.sysops.aol.com>

 Your computer keyboard has what we used to call "no bounce switches" to prevent keystrokes from repeating.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:12:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear


> Quick breaks were fitted to DC switches to prevent arcing across as 
> the load current was broken. It's still a problem, even today! 
 
Direct current still works pretty much the same way as it has for a long time. 
 
John Culp 
Bristol, Tennessee, USA 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jul 16 15:12:21 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:12:21 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>
	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>
	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <6f602516050716151228b70716@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/16/05, John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net> wrote:

> Direct current still works pretty much the same way as it has for a
> long time.
> 

Bit like gravity, must have been hell until it was invented....

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jul 16 15:48:41 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:48:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <6f602516050716151228b70716@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>
	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>
	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
	<6f602516050716151228b70716@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3c0457119a3ced11a967bc61fa3f8197@chartertn.net>

>> Direct current still works pretty much the same way as it has for a
>> long time.
>>
>
> Bit like gravity, must have been hell until it was invented....

Ask Dave.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jul 16 15:54:09 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 08:54:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] BYB
References: <015f01c589c3$d88610e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<42D90AA8.000003.02368@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
Message-ID: <021f01c58a59$47ab7ab0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Thanks Nick. I have emailed him and am waiting on a reply.
Thanks to the list as well. Always a member ready to help.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "nick" <nick at holden1.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB


Reg the ad in gas engine magazine says checks accepted in $ US
but email him to get price
when i talked to him it was an extra $10 to send to england
 pchazman at hotmail.com

nick

 
Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
 nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
-------Original Message-------
 
From: R & M Ingold
Date: 07/16/05 06:17:03
To: The SEL email discussion list
Cc: colin lindsay howells
Subject: [SEL] BYB
 
Help please. I have a mate who wants to buy a copy of the new BYB
What would be the emaol contact address or postal, whatever.
I can pay for him by US check if needed.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
 
 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jul 16 16:07:42 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:07:42 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Magneto Data Sheets and Exploded views
Message-ID: <6f60251605071616074180d1d4@mail.gmail.com>

We have been working for some time towards a comprehensive set of data
for magnetos, which has involved a fair bit of information gathering
and service information book purchasing.

We have got to the stage where we can make a start, there is enough
data for a few hundred pages, but for tonight we have got the
rudiments arranged for the first 15 exploded views.

These are all Edison Splitdorf machines from the 1930's and 1940's, we
do have Wico, Dixie, Bendix, Fairbanks and other stuff to scan and put
on.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magneto/Magdata.htm

or through the main menu TECHNICAL icon, to the next menu, down to the
very bottom to the 'PETROL' link and then again at the bottom of that
Menu is the link for the Magnetos.

The pages are deliberately large and detailed so they will print out
at a readable size. The originals were 3" X 4" and quite dark. All the
images are cleaned up and print to A5 or A4 (or the US equivalent)
quite well.

I'll put the other 10 Splitdorf sets on in the morning (00.05 here now)

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com  Sat Jul 16 16:44:39 2005
From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:44:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: What is it? Now thanks
References: <42BE1649.5090100@earthlink.net> <42BEFB5B.1060700@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <009a01c58a60$54e4c720$4dc87040@user>

Jeff, we have one of these and use it to run our shop air where I work.
Pictures, info, let me know off list.

Paul Russell
Riga, Michigan
hit_n_miss at tc3net.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 3:00 PM
Subject: [SEL] Re: What is it? Now thanks


Hi all,

Thanks for all the replies. Gardner Denver is still in business, and I
will contact them for more information. I snagged a page from the
company web site with a bit of history and will paste it below.
Interesting history.


Jeff Allen

http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE01.JPG
http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE02.JPG
http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE03.JPG

> Gardner Denver is an international leader in providing
> compressed air and pump equipment that helps keep
> thousands of manufacturing processes, as well as oil and gas
> production, moving ahead at a brisk pace. We began as the
> Gardner Governor Company in 1859, with the introduction
> of a product that provided the first effective speed control
> for steam engines. By 1890, we had expanded our product
> offering to include steam pumps and high speed vertical air
> compressors. At the turn of the century, the discovery of
> large oil deposits in Texas spurred us to adapt our unique
> steam pump technology for use in mud pumps which rapidly
> became an integral part of the oilwell drilling process.
> In 1927, the Gardner Company merged with Denver Rock Drill
> and became Gardner Denver, a manufacturer of equipment
> used in oilwell drilling, pipeline trenching, dam, tunnel and
> highway construction. For the next 52 years, we continued
> to grow and diversify. In 1979, Gardner Denver was acquired
> by Cooper Industries and split into ten divisions. Two of
> those divisions, Gardner Denver Air Compressors and Gardner
> Denver Petroleum Equipment, were combined six years
> later and became the Gardner Denver Industrial Machinery
> Division. We continued to acquire businesses and products
> to broaden our product offering and utilize established
> distribution channels.
> By 1994, our Division had built a solid reputation as a
> full line supplier of compressed air products and oil field
> petroleum equipment. Cooper, however, changed strategies
> and decided to exit the petroleum equipment business. As a
> result, the Gardner Denver Industrial Machinery Division was
> spun off as an independent company. Today, Gardner Denver,
> Inc. is a publicly held company traded on the New York Stock
> Exchange under the symbol GDI.
> TRADITION a quality manufacturing
> since 1859




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From b2 at chooka.net  Sat Jul 16 16:54:34 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:54:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Magneto Data Sheets and Exploded views
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605071616074180d1d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200507161855477.SM02420@wrbpc>

Peter, this is an awesome reference you have for us.  Thank you for your
time and attention to detail to make this available!!!

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 6:08 PM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Magneto Data Sheets and Exploded views

We have been working for some time towards a comprehensive set of data for
magnetos, which has involved a fair bit of information gathering and service
information book purchasing.

We have got to the stage where we can make a start, there is enough data for
a few hundred pages, but for tonight we have got the rudiments arranged for
the first 15 exploded views.

These are all Edison Splitdorf machines from the 1930's and 1940's, we do
have Wico, Dixie, Bendix, Fairbanks and other stuff to scan and put on.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magneto/Magdata.htm

or through the main menu TECHNICAL icon, to the next menu, down to the very
bottom to the 'PETROL' link and then again at the bottom of that Menu is the
link for the Magnetos.

The pages are deliberately large and detailed so they will print out at a
readable size. The originals were 3" X 4" and quite dark. All the images are
cleaned up and print to A5 or A4 (or the US equivalent) quite well.

I'll put the other 10 Splitdorf sets on in the morning (00.05 here now)

Peter
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 16 17:47:20 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:47:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re: Magneto Data Sheets and Exploded views
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605071616074180d1d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f60251605071616074180d1d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42D9AA98.8070905@earthlink.net>

Hi Peter,

As always you continue to share with all of us. I am in the middle of 
the book I am putting online and have also scanned and reprinted a 
manual. I know first hand the hours and dedication needed to do what you 
have done for years. Thanks!!

Jeff Allen
Arvada, record breaking 102 today, Colorado

Listerdiesel wrote:

>We have been working for some time towards a comprehensive set of data
>for magnetos, which has involved a fair bit of information gathering
>and service information book purchasing.
>
>We have got to the stage where we can make a start, there is enough
>data for a few hundred pages, but for tonight we have got the
>rudiments arranged for the first 15 exploded views.
>
>These are all Edison Splitdorf machines from the 1930's and 1940's, we
>do have Wico, Dixie, Bendix, Fairbanks and other stuff to scan and put
>on.
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magneto/Magdata.htm
>
>or through the main menu TECHNICAL icon, to the next menu, down to the
>very bottom to the 'PETROL' link and then again at the bottom of that
>Menu is the link for the Magnetos.
>
>The pages are deliberately large and detailed so they will print out
>at a readable size. The originals were 3" X 4" and quite dark. All the
>images are cleaned up and print to A5 or A4 (or the US equivalent)
>quite well.
>
>I'll put the other 10 Splitdorf sets on in the morning (00.05 here now)
>
>Peter
>  
>



From guitronics at comcast.net  Sat Jul 16 18:20:36 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:20:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>
	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>

On relays, "quenching", or "spike" diodes are put across one of the 
coils to absorb the voltage of the collapsing magnetic field.I imagine 
the same thing will work with switches....in Audio Electronics, a 
high-value (1 Meg ohm) resistor is used on the input of amplifiers to 
eliminate the "Popping" noise of the switch.

John Culp wrote:

>> Quick breaks were fitted to DC switches to prevent arcing across as
>> the load current was broken. It's still a problem, even today!
>
>
> Direct current still works pretty much the same way as it has for a 
> long time.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From bdb at mchsi.com  Sat Jul 16 18:31:29 2005
From: bdb at mchsi.com (bdb)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:31:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <001301c58a6f$41f9a590$c947d70c@VALUED20606295>

I am hoping that some of the oil field engine gurus can help me. I have an 8 hp Reid that uses hot tube ignition only. I can't get the torch to heat the tube hot enough to fire the engine. I have heard other torches have a roaring sound when running but mine just kind of hisses. I am using a 100 lb tank and have the torch running on the tanks pressure. I have Covered the air holes on at a time but it still won't generate. I thought about resizing the orifice that the gas comes out but the hole is really small and the smallest bit I have is .020. Are there a variety of orifices available? What should I do?

Thanks
Barry
Barry D Buchanan
410 S. Moore
Ottumwa, IA. 52501

E-Mail at bdb at mchsi.com

From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jul 16 19:10:51 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:10:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>
	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
	<42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9fa4fbaef177900aee5c017374cf438a@chartertn.net>

> On relays, "quenching", or "spike" diodes are put across one of the 
> coils to absorb the voltage of the collapsing magnetic field.

Like the damper diodes on TV picture tube deflection coils. Used to be 
vacuum tubes (valves to Peter), and I've still got a bunch of 'em. They 
make pretty good half-wave power rectifiers.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From todengine at zoominternet.net  Sat Jul 16 19:22:09 2005
From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:22:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com><825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
	<42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <009101c58a76$558c9de0$365bef18@pengy>

All you need are massive contacts, lots of asbestos shielding and arc 
extinguishers!  The fun of DC is the arcing, sparks, flashes and loud 
noises!   We have a tiny 3 ton overhead crane at work dating to 1923.  It 
runs on 250 VDC and pegs the amp meter (300 amps) when a lift is made.  Its 
all original so what technology they had then we are using now. Now and then 
she puts on a show.

I have access to large amounts of old switchboards, slate panels, knife 
switches etc. from the local steel mills. Lots of 1916 era Westinghouse and 
GE equipment. I wonder if there are any people out there that collect this 
stuff just as we all collect old iron.  A building I rent is a former 
powerhouse in a mill.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael P. Koryciak" <guitronics at comcast.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear


> On relays, "quenching", or "spike" diodes are put across one of the
> coils to absorb the voltage of the collapsing magnetic field.I imagine
> the same thing will work with switches....in Audio Electronics, a
> high-value (1 Meg ohm) resistor is used on the input of amplifiers to
> eliminate the "Popping" noise of the switch.
>
> John Culp wrote:
>
>>> Quick breaks were fitted to DC switches to prevent arcing across as
>>> the load current was broken. It's still a problem, even today!
>>
>>
>> Direct current still works pretty much the same way as it has for a
>> long time.
>>
>> John Culp
>> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>


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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Jul 16 19:48:39 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:48:39 -0700
Subject: [SEL] BYB
In-Reply-To: <42D90AA8.000003.02368@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
Message-ID: <200507170248.j6H2mqhs076633@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


> Reg the ad in gas engine magazine says checks accepted in $ 
> US but email him to get price when i talked to him it was an 
> extra $10 to send to england 

Well there you go, Nick!  Another good reason to come to Portland and save $10.

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jul 16 19:49:56 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:49:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <009101c58a76$558c9de0$365bef18@pengy>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com><825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
	<42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>
	<009101c58a76$558c9de0$365bef18@pengy>
Message-ID: <e2159530aacffaf88e458905dcf3254e@chartertn.net>

Many years ago, when I was in high school, I read Martin Uman's book 
"Lightning." (It was a rather unique scholarly work on lightning. He's 
written several since, and about 3-4 years ago I looked him up, found 
he was still kicking and corresponded with him by E-mail.) One thing I 
recall from it was in the chapter on ball lightning, that submariners 
had occasionally reported fireballs produced when  breakers were opened 
in their high-current 600VDC (IIRC) circuits, surviving and moving 
around for several seconds. Wouldn't you love to have those things 
rolling around the floor while you were undersea in a sub? There's not 
a lot of room in those things.

John

On Jul 16, 2005, at 10:22 PM, Tod Engine wrote:

> All you need are massive contacts, lots of asbestos shielding and arc 
> extinguishers!  The fun of DC is the arcing, sparks, flashes and loud 
> noises!


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jul 16 19:54:40 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:54:40 +1000
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
References: <001301c58a6f$41f9a590$c947d70c@VALUED20606295>
Message-ID: <02a701c58a7a$e2104f10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Contact John Burns.
He is the guru on these things.

burns, john
E-mail Address(es):
  jobec_2001_2000 at yahoo.com
Personal Information:
  Address:
    510 W Jefferson

    New Carlisle Ohio 45344
    United States of America
  Phone: 937 845 3412


Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "bdb" <bdb at mchsi.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 11:31 AM
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)


I am hoping that some of the oil field engine gurus can help me. I have an 8 
hp Reid that uses hot tube ignition only. I can't get the torch to heat the 
tube hot enough to fire the engine. I have heard other torches have a 
roaring sound when running but mine just kind of hisses. I am using a 100 lb 
tank and have the torch running on the tanks pressure. I have Covered the 
air holes on at a time but it still won't generate. I thought about resizing 
the orifice that the gas comes out but the hole is really small and the 
smallest bit I have is .020. Are there a variety of orifices available? What 
should I do?

Thanks
Barry
Barry D Buchanan
410 S. Moore
Ottumwa, IA. 52501

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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jul 16 19:57:25 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:57:25 +1000
Subject: [SEL] BYB
References: <200507170248.j6H2mqhs076633@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <02e601c58a7b$f13ca0a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Much as the prospect attracts me, I cant be in two places at once. Sigh!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] BYB


>
>> Reg the ad in gas engine magazine says checks accepted in $
>> US but email him to get price when i talked to him it was an
>> extra $10 to send to england
>
> Well there you go, Nick!  Another good reason to come to Portland and save 
> $10.
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=
> Rob Skinner
> La Habra, California
> mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
> http://www.rustyiron.com
>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Jul 16 22:44:40 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:44:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <001301c58a6f$41f9a590$c947d70c@VALUED20606295>
Message-ID: <200507170544.j6H5injU018813@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


> generate. I thought about resizing the orifice that the gas 
> comes out but the hole is really small and the smallest bit I 
> have is .020. Are there a variety of orifices available? What 
> should I do?

Hi Barry, 
I can't specifically answer your question in regards to your engine, but perhaps
some experiments of a couple months ago can guide you where you need to go.  You
can infer the basics from my description, then modify it for your particular
needs.

I was trying to make a suitable lamp for an engine.  The results varied from a
wimpy little yellow propane flame to a seven foot tall fountain of flaming
kerosene showering over my head.  It was totally bogus.

Most of my headaches were the result of not mixing enough air with the fuel to
get a hot flame.  Here's the basics of the design I settled on.

The propane bottle was a little one-pounder.  The valve and hose came from a
little hand-held plumbers torch.  The pressure coming out of the little bottle
will be the same as your 100 lb. tank.  

The burner is a piece of cold rolled, about two inches long, turned down to the
diameter where a piece of 1/2" emt can be firmly pushed over it and stay in
place.  It's bored ALMOST all the way through with a hole that is the diameter
needed to tap a 1/8" pipe thread.  

The hole is then tapped to 1/8" to accept the propane hose.  From the other end,
I drilled an orifice.  The diameter was about 0.025" to 0.028"   I don't
remember exactly, but this is a bit bigger than your 0.020".  

You can't just shoot propane out an orifice and expect it to burn.  Believe me.
Remember the previous statement regarding the shower of flaming kerosene.  You
need a mixer.

The mixing section is a piece of half inch emt, about three inches long.  About
3/4" from the end, I cut two slots 1/4" wide and 1" long for the introduction of
air.  That's it for the mixer.

Slip the mixer over the burner.  It should be a tight fit so it doesn't move
around, and the slots should not be covered.  The flame tended to shoot far out
and extinguish itself, so I took a strip of steel screen, rolled it up, and
stuck it in the end of the emt.  I think the screen slows down the gases and
allows mixing.  When you're running a small flame, it will prevent the gasses
from going back into your burner.  

Voila!  Big Blue Flame!  

The burner works very well.  If I was to improve upon it, I'd maybe try a bigger
orifice, maybe make the mixer longer, and maybe play with the screen.  But it
works so well now that there is little motivation to modify it.  

Just remember:

1.  You GOTTA get air to mix with the fuel.
2.  You gotta slow it down enough so your flame doesn't self extinguish.
3.  Setting yourself on fire detracts from your "fun time."  

Have fun.  Remain uncombustable.
Rob






From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jul 16 23:17:34 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 07:17:34 +0100
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <200507170544.j6H5injU018813@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <001301c58a6f$41f9a590$c947d70c@VALUED20606295>
	<200507170544.j6H5injU018813@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605071623177e4854b1@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/17/05, Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:

<snipped interesting stuff>

> 1.  You GOTTA get air to mix with the fuel.
> 2.  You gotta slow it down enough so your flame doesn't self extinguish.
> 3.  Setting yourself on fire detracts from your "fun time."
> 
> Have fun.  Remain uncombustable.
> Rob
> 

I don't know if this is of any help, but the gas torch people Sievert
used to sell their gas torch nozzles in kits, with detachable burners,
each of which had its own jet and mixer tube. Getting the
appropriately sized one for this job might be as easy as making one up
from scratch and experimenting.

www.sievert.se/en/

I know that we have a couple of burner tubes here that are about 4"
long and 1-1/4" diameter for high rate propane burning.

The other people to ask are the hot air balloonists, they use BIG
propane burners.

Remain incombustible....

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From gwaugh at wowway.com  Sat Jul 16 23:49:37 2005
From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 01:49:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605071623177e4854b1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001301c58a6f$41f9a590$c947d70c@VALUED20606295>	<200507170544.j6H5injU018813@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<6f60251605071623177e4854b1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42D9FF81.9000201@wowway.com>


> The other people to ask are the hot air balloonists, they use BIG
> propane burners.
> 
> Remain incombustible....
> 
> Peter

Here in the U. S. we have a torch very commonly used by plumbers,
HVAC techs etc---the best going.  TurboTorch by Thermadyne...

http://www.thermadyne.com/turbotorch/index.asp

and Yes, ALL of their tips have lotsa air available right after the gas 
exits the orifice.

BTW---It is one thing to remian uncombustible...which none of us are. 
It is a much greater thing to remain uncombusted!
-- 
Gene

Gene Waugh
Elgin, Illinois 60123 USA


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 17 04:10:14 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:10:14 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Re: Magneto Data Sheets and Exploded views
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605071616074180d1d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f60251605071616074180d1d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605071704101cb5f30f@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/17/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magneto/Magdata.htm
> 

42 pages done now, Splitdorf and Fairbanks-Morse magnetos.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From brock at netspeed.com.au  Sun Jul 17 04:44:21 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:44:21 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
References: <20050715121834.HAON23311.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<003601c58939$4015f850$36af57ca@n>
Message-ID: <00a301c58ac4$df781860$5f11fea9@merlin>

i only collect gold plated moffits so i can melt them down thats the only 
good use for them  ,,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mick Christie" <mickc at vic.australis.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Timbertown


> Hey Patrick
> I know Brock likes his moffats as well but dont tell that the carbys are
> rare other wise Edd will never get any of Brocks engines, especially trhe
> gold plated ones!!
>   Cheers
>         Mick
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:18 PM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] Timbertown
>
>
>>I think you may be better off to keep your brass Lonquemare carby and 
>>throw
>> the engine away.
>> My source who told me they run better on the M-V carby has more Hornsbys
>> than common sense, you can guess who I mean and you can take it up with
>> him
>> ;)
>> Patrick
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Oh dear Patrick, I will remember this next time you have the oportunity 
>> to
>> purchase a quality Hornsby engine :-)  It sounds pretty odd for a hornsby
>> to run better off the MV carby. Perhaps us Hornsby owners should throw 
>> our
>> lovely brass Lonquemare carbies to the shit house and put a rare MV on.
>> Just imagin what would happen to the price of all the little MV's kicking
>> about the vast waste land.
>>  Russell
>>
>>
>>
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From pcgray at zoominternet.net  Sun Jul 17 11:49:28 2005
From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:49:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] reid hot tube burner
In-Reply-To: <200507171000.j6HA0A4m031803@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <80C0A201-F6F3-11D9-A70D-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net>

Barry-
I find that if you are making your own chimney burners, it is difficult 
to get the fuel to  draw in the right amount of air. So I use a piece 
of 1/16 brass tubing in place of the orifice and make it project into 
the tube carrying the air fuel mix. If it burns too rich, ie flame 
coming out of the top, then crimp down the tube a bit until the burner 
gives a slight roar and a bright blue flame. I posted a picture on 
OFES. It is also less likely to flash back and burn in the mixer where 
air is sucked in.  I got my tube from a good hardware shop which stocks 
K+N brass stock assortment. I think it was $1.50 for 3' of tube.  I 
make the mixers from a 3/8-1/4 pipe reducer and hog out the sides on 
the mill. Or you could use a drill. I tap the ID of the 1/4" pipe male 
for 1/8 pipe to accept the orifice.
here is a picture
http://www.oilfieldengine.com/oilfield/shop/posts/2276.html

If there is no red, it will act as though dead!

Paul Gray
Just south of the Manson-Nixon line in MD



From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Jul 17 13:16:16 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:16:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <009101c58a76$558c9de0$365bef18@pengy>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com><825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>	<42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>
	<009101c58a76$558c9de0$365bef18@pengy>
Message-ID: <42DABC90.7030902@comcast.net>


Sure there are....put together "Kits" of parts on Ebay,you'll be happy! 
I might even be interested.

Tod Engine wrote:

> All you need are massive contacts, lots of asbestos shielding and arc 
> extinguishers!  The fun of DC is the arcing, sparks, flashes and loud 
> noises!   We have a tiny 3 ton overhead crane at work dating to 1923.  
> It runs on 250 VDC and pegs the amp meter (300 amps) when a lift is 
> made.  Its all original so what technology they had then we are using 
> now. Now and then she puts on a show.
>
> I have access to large amounts of old switchboards, slate panels, 
> knife switches etc. from the local steel mills. Lots of 1916 era 
> Westinghouse and GE equipment. I wonder if there are any people out 
> there that collect this stuff just as we all collect old iron.  A 
> building I rent is a former powerhouse in a mill.
>
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael P. Koryciak" 
> <guitronics at comcast.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
>
>
>> On relays, "quenching", or "spike" diodes are put across one of the
>> coils to absorb the voltage of the collapsing magnetic field.I imagine
>> the same thing will work with switches....in Audio Electronics, a
>> high-value (1 Meg ohm) resistor is used on the input of amplifiers to
>> eliminate the "Popping" noise of the switch.
>>
>> John Culp wrote:
>>
>>>> Quick breaks were fitted to DC switches to prevent arcing across as
>>>> the load current was broken. It's still a problem, even today!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Direct current still works pretty much the same way as it has for a
>>> long time.
>>>
>>> John Culp
>>> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>
>
>
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 17 18:16:05 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:16:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] FM Upright manual
Message-ID: <42DB02D5.8060608@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Just got this online.

http://oldirongallery.com/FMMANUAL/Fc.html

Not my best work online, but there is a reason. This is the first manual 
that I am reprinting for sale. Scan resolution for reprinting is much 
different than for posting on a web site. My reprints look great, but if 
you try to print these pages they will be crap. If there is enough 
interest I can put the original scans up for those that want to print a 
copy. It's about a 14 Meg file and I'll be glad to share it with those 
on these lists. I will work on a better printable online version later.

I will be reprinting and selling some manuals to cover my costs. My 
pockets are not deep enough to share with you, and not sell reprints. As 
always, any original manuals I have are here for the asking to list 
members. I know I am only an e-mail away from your great advice and 
help, so my library is yours for the asking. I think most of it is 
already online.

Enjoy!!

Jeff Allen

P.S. Thanks for all the great tips and info on painting.



From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Jul 18 08:33:20 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:33:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20050718.113331.656.17.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Barry,

This weekend I was at a show where Bill Knupp had a half-breed on
exhibit.

When he went to fire it up, he lit a Craftsman propane torch and stuck it
in a
hole in the bottom of the hot tube chimney.  You know, the kind people
use to 
take off paint - or start a grill - just a small propane torch. 

The hole was probably where the original inlet line was attached.

I commented on it and he said it works and is much simpler than firing
the hot tube
in the traditional way.

Within a few minutes the tube was hot enough to start the engine.

Just M2C

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
\/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From bdb at mchsi.com  Mon Jul 18 09:39:51 2005
From: bdb at mchsi.com (bdb)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:39:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 16, Issue 18
References: <200507181000.j6IA0BxK025555@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <002b01c58bb7$522af470$c947d70c@VALUED20606295>

I want to thank everyone that has replied to my plea for help about the Reid 
hot tube problem I'm having. I have several good Ideas now and can probably 
fix the problem. You guys are the best.
Barry

Ottumwa, IA. 52501

E-Mail at bdb at mchsi.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 5:00 AM
Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 16, Issue 18


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>   1. Re: Magneto Data Sheets and Exploded views (Listerdiesel)
>   2. Re: Timbertown (Brock Summerfield)
>   3. reid hot tube burner (Paul + Colleen Gray)
>   4. Re: Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear (Michael P. Koryciak)
>   5. FM Upright manual (Jeff Allen)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:10:14 +0100
> From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
> Subject: [SEL] Re: Magneto Data Sheets and Exploded views
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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> On 7/17/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magneto/Magdata.htm
>>
>
> 42 pages done now, Splitdorf and Fairbanks-Morse magnetos.
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:44:21 +1000
> From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Timbertown
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Message-ID: <00a301c58ac4$df781860$5f11fea9 at merlin>
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> i only collect gold plated moffits so i can melt them down thats the only
> good use for them  ,,
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mick Christie" <mickc at vic.australis.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Timbertown
>
>
>> Hey Patrick
>> I know Brock likes his moffats as well but dont tell that the carbys are
>> rare other wise Edd will never get any of Brocks engines, especially trhe
>> gold plated ones!!
>>   Cheers
>>         Mick
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
>> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:18 PM
>> Subject: RE: [SEL] Timbertown
>>
>>
>>>I think you may be better off to keep your brass Lonquemare carby and
>>>throw
>>> the engine away.
>>> My source who told me they run better on the M-V carby has more Hornsbys
>>> than common sense, you can guess who I mean and you can take it up with
>>> him
>>> ;)
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> Patrick M Livingstone
>>> Leichhardt NSW
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> Oh dear Patrick, I will remember this next time you have the oportunity
>>> to
>>> purchase a quality Hornsby engine :-)  It sounds pretty odd for a 
>>> hornsby
>>> to run better off the MV carby. Perhaps us Hornsby owners should throw
>>> our
>>> lovely brass Lonquemare carbies to the shit house and put a rare MV on.
>>> Just imagin what would happen to the price of all the little MV's 
>>> kicking
>>> about the vast waste land.
>>>  Russell
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:49:28 -0400
> From: Paul + Colleen Gray <pcgray at zoominternet.net>
> Subject: [SEL] reid hot tube burner
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
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> Barry-
> I find that if you are making your own chimney burners, it is difficult
> to get the fuel to  draw in the right amount of air. So I use a piece
> of 1/16 brass tubing in place of the orifice and make it project into
> the tube carrying the air fuel mix. If it burns too rich, ie flame
> coming out of the top, then crimp down the tube a bit until the burner
> gives a slight roar and a bright blue flame. I posted a picture on
> OFES. It is also less likely to flash back and burn in the mixer where
> air is sucked in.  I got my tube from a good hardware shop which stocks
> K+N brass stock assortment. I think it was $1.50 for 3' of tube.  I
> make the mixers from a 3/8-1/4 pipe reducer and hog out the sides on
> the mill. Or you could use a drill. I tap the ID of the 1/4" pipe male
> for 1/8 pipe to accept the orifice.
> here is a picture
> http://www.oilfieldengine.com/oilfield/shop/posts/2276.html
>
> If there is no red, it will act as though dead!
>
> Paul Gray
> Just south of the Manson-Nixon line in MD
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:16:16 -0400
> From: "Michael P. Koryciak" <guitronics at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
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>
> Sure there are....put together "Kits" of parts on Ebay,you'll be happy!
> I might even be interested.
>
> Tod Engine wrote:
>
>> All you need are massive contacts, lots of asbestos shielding and arc
>> extinguishers!  The fun of DC is the arcing, sparks, flashes and loud
>> noises!   We have a tiny 3 ton overhead crane at work dating to 1923.
>> It runs on 250 VDC and pegs the amp meter (300 amps) when a lift is
>> made.  Its all original so what technology they had then we are using
>> now. Now and then she puts on a show.
>>
>> I have access to large amounts of old switchboards, slate panels,
>> knife switches etc. from the local steel mills. Lots of 1916 era
>> Westinghouse and GE equipment. I wonder if there are any people out
>> there that collect this stuff just as we all collect old iron.  A
>> building I rent is a former powerhouse in a mill.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael P. Koryciak"
>> <guitronics at comcast.net>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
>>
>>
>>> On relays, "quenching", or "spike" diodes are put across one of the
>>> coils to absorb the voltage of the collapsing magnetic field.I imagine
>>> the same thing will work with switches....in Audio Electronics, a
>>> high-value (1 Meg ohm) resistor is used on the input of amplifiers to
>>> eliminate the "Popping" noise of the switch.
>>>
>>> John Culp wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Quick breaks were fitted to DC switches to prevent arcing across as
>>>>> the load current was broken. It's still a problem, even today!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Direct current still works pretty much the same way as it has for a
>>>> long time.
>>>>
>>>> John Culp
>>>> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:16:05 -0600
> From: Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [SEL] FM Upright manual
> To: Oldengine list <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Cc: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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> Hi all,
>
> Just got this online.
>
> http://oldirongallery.com/FMMANUAL/Fc.html
>
> Not my best work online, but there is a reason. This is the first manual
> that I am reprinting for sale. Scan resolution for reprinting is much
> different than for posting on a web site. My reprints look great, but if
> you try to print these pages they will be crap. If there is enough
> interest I can put the original scans up for those that want to print a
> copy. It's about a 14 Meg file and I'll be glad to share it with those
> on these lists. I will work on a better printable online version later.
>
> I will be reprinting and selling some manuals to cover my costs. My
> pockets are not deep enough to share with you, and not sell reprints. As
> always, any original manuals I have are here for the asking to list
> members. I know I am only an e-mail away from your great advice and
> help, so my library is yours for the asking. I think most of it is
> already online.
>
> Enjoy!!
>
> Jeff Allen
>
> P.S. Thanks for all the great tips and info on painting.
>
>
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 18 10:35:44 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:35:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Stickney Fuel Pumps
In-Reply-To: <20050718.113331.656.17.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F16C0AACC86E36CC5C855F995D50@phx.gbl>


I need help from the Stickney experts on the list:  As you know Curt Holland 
is having castings done to replicate Stickney fuel pumps. He has used as the 
pattern the regular sized (Large Cambox) pump as a Pattern.  I have a small 
cambox Stickney and wondered if they would interchange. I have heard 
opinions both ways and wondered if anyone has tried it or knows for sure if 
they are interchangeable or if they will work with modifications. Many 
thanks, Steve Royster




From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jul 18 11:17:25 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:17:25 -0400
Subject: WAY OT!   Re: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <9fa4fbaef177900aee5c017374cf438a@chartertn.net>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>	<42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>
	<9fa4fbaef177900aee5c017374cf438a@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <42DBF235.4040606@imc-group.com>

John,
Since you have changed from DC circuits to AC circuits,  I gotta ask, 
why use a solid state device for energy absorption when a simple rugged 
RC circuit does well?
I've not seen these quenching/spike diodes you mention used anywhere on 
contacts or coils. Are these simply zenors?
On your tubes.....5Y3GT 's? I think I've still got a few of those.....
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

John Culp wrote:

>> On relays, "quenching", or "spike" diodes are put across one of the 
>> coils to absorb the voltage of the collapsing magnetic field.
>
>
> Like the damper diodes on TV picture tube deflection coils. Used to be 
> vacuum tubes (valves to Peter), and I've still got a bunch of 'em. 
> They make pretty good half-wave power rectifiers.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jul 18 11:26:59 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:26:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <9fa4fbaef177900aee5c017374cf438a@chartertn.net>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>
	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
	<42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>
	<9fa4fbaef177900aee5c017374cf438a@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <1398.165.206.180.102.1121711219.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

Wasn't it Edison who really observed the effect but didn't take or have
the time to work with it - and basically the structure of a light bulb
became the basis for the first "valve" - so called because of the one-way
flow of electrons.

Bill

> Like the damper diodes on TV picture tube deflection coils. Used to be
> vacuum tubes (valves to Peter), and I've still got a bunch of 'em. They
> make pretty good half-wave power rectifiers.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Mon Jul 18 12:03:33 2005
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:03:33 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <1398.165.206.180.102.1121711219.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>
	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>
	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
	<42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>
	<9fa4fbaef177900aee5c017374cf438a@chartertn.net>
	<1398.165.206.180.102.1121711219.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <mHgz67nF0$2CFw3U@loud-n-clear.net>

In message 
<1398.165.206.180.102.1121711219.squirrel at antique-engines.com>, 
bill at antique-engines.com writes
>Wasn't it Edison who really observed the effect but didn't take or have 
>the time to work with it - and basically the structure of a light bulb 
>became the basis for the first "valve" - so called because of the 
>one-way flow of electrons.

For those interested, there is a really good history of the "valve" 
here:

http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/radio_history/valve/hov.php

Edison is credited with observation of thermionic effects in the late 
1880's, Fleming with the first practical application at about the turn 
of the 20th century, but it was deForest in about 1913 (?) who 
demonstrated amplification in his "audion" valve (vacuum tube).  You all 
know what happened next :-)

Regards

      Pete
-- 
Peter Scales



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jul 18 12:17:37 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:17:37 +0100
Subject: WAY OT! Re: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <42DBF235.4040606@imc-group.com>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>
	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>
	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
	<42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>
	<9fa4fbaef177900aee5c017374cf438a@chartertn.net>
	<42DBF235.4040606@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6f602516050718121720a707ec@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/18/05, Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
> John,
> Since you have changed from DC circuits to AC circuits,  I gotta ask,
> why use a solid state device for energy absorption when a simple rugged
> RC circuit does well?
> I've not seen these quenching/spike diodes you mention used anywhere on
> contacts or coils. Are these simply zenors?
> On your tubes.....5Y3GT 's? I think I've still got a few of those.....
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC

There are practical limits, especially on voltage, for discrete surge
suppression devices. Diodes and RC snubbers are great at low voltage,
we use RC snubbers on our thyristor stacks, but at high voltage with
inductive loads, you cannot beat an arc chute type circuit switch.

Magnetic arc blowouts are also quite common.

ABB in France still make old-fashioned clapper contact switches, and
we use them in the big high voltage battery charges.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jul 18 12:50:25 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:50:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <mHgz67nF0$2CFw3U@loud-n-clear.net>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>
	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>
	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
	<42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>
	<9fa4fbaef177900aee5c017374cf438a@chartertn.net>
	<1398.165.206.180.102.1121711219.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
	<mHgz67nF0$2CFw3U@loud-n-clear.net>
Message-ID: <1574.165.206.180.102.1121716225.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

Yes, algore took credit...........

Bill

> In message
> <1398.165.206.180.102.1121711219.squirrel at antique-engines.com>,
> bill at antique-engines.com writes
>>Wasn't it Edison who really observed the effect but didn't take or have
>>the time to work with it - and basically the structure of a light bulb
>>became the basis for the first "valve" - so called because of the
>>one-way flow of electrons.
>
> For those interested, there is a really good history of the "valve"
> here:
>
> http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/radio_history/valve/hov.php
>
> Edison is credited with observation of thermionic effects in the late
> 1880's, Fleming with the first practical application at about the turn
> of the 20th century, but it was deForest in about 1913 (?) who
> demonstrated amplification in his "audion" valve (vacuum tube).  You all
> know what happened next :-)
>
> Regards
>
>       Pete
> --
> Peter Scales
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jul 18 13:01:22 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:01:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Stickney Fuel Pumps
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F16C0AACC86E36CC5C855F995D50@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY108-F16C0AACC86E36CC5C855F995D50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42DC0A92.1070408@imc-group.com>

To assist here is a picture of the fuel pump on the older/larger cam box 
Stickney.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/FuelPump/PB120024.JPG>
Steve, can you post a picture of the cam lobe side of the cam box? That 
might help us determine. Maybe a few measurements....
I can post an image of mine (old style) and perhaps compare.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Steve Royster wrote:

>
> I need help from the Stickney experts on the list:  As you know Curt 
> Holland is having castings done to replicate Stickney fuel pumps. He 
> has used as the pattern the regular sized (Large Cambox) pump as a 
> Pattern.  I have a small cambox Stickney and wondered if they would 
> interchange. I have heard opinions both ways and wondered if anyone 
> has tried it or knows for sure if they are interchangeable or if they 
> will work with modifications. Many thanks, Steve Royster
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Jul 18 15:13:53 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:13:53 -0400
Subject: WAY OT!   Re: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <42DBF235.4040606@imc-group.com>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>	<42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>
	<9fa4fbaef177900aee5c017374cf438a@chartertn.net>
	<42DBF235.4040606@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6a1239feb51513a782d237af3ed2a42c@chartertn.net>

Curt, I don't fool with that newfangled solid state stuff much at all. 
I wasn't the one who brought up snubber diodes, I pointed out that they 
were a silicon analog of a tube. If what I'm working on doesn't have 
tubes in it, I feel like a stranger in a strange land! RC circuits do 
work well for voltage spike protection on tube amp output circuits, as 
does a simple resistor across the secondary in the ratio of, say, 20/1 
to the load resistance. Spoils the Q of the transformer just enough to 
keep it from frying things if the speaker's left unconnected and a 
transient gets into the amp input. An RC series across the 
transformer's primary serves the dual purpose of also shaping the tone, 
filtering off highs. It's been called a "conjunctive filter." It's not 
quite a simple low pass filter, as it is in parallel with the 
inductance of the transformer primary, so there's an LC resonance also 
involved.

Yeah, 5Y3GTs are a good old rectifier tube! I've got a big old radio 
that uses that. Been in the family since 1951. Every once in a while I 
have to fix it. :-)

John

On Jul 18, 2005, at 2:17 PM, Curt wrote:

> John,
> Since you have changed from DC circuits to AC circuits,  I gotta ask, 
> why use a solid state device for energy absorption when a simple 
> rugged RC circuit does well?
> I've not seen these quenching/spike diodes you mention used anywhere 
> on contacts or coils. Are these simply zenors?
> On your tubes.....5Y3GT 's? I think I've still got a few of those.....
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Jul 18 15:15:22 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:15:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <1398.165.206.180.102.1121711219.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>
	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
	<42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>
	<9fa4fbaef177900aee5c017374cf438a@chartertn.net>
	<1398.165.206.180.102.1121711219.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <e9decbf459cc3c7f129ef16089e4a211@chartertn.net>

Yep! And in a number of languages, (like Russian and Spanish, that I've 
noticed), a "tube or "valve" is still called a "lamp."

John

On Jul 18, 2005, at 2:26 PM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote:

> Wasn't it Edison who really observed the effect but didn't take or have
> the time to work with it - and basically the structure of a light bulb
> became the basis for the first "valve" - so called because of the 
> one-way
> flow of electrons.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From guitronics at comcast.net  Mon Jul 18 17:20:57 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:20:57 -0400
Subject: WAY OT!   Re: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <6a1239feb51513a782d237af3ed2a42c@chartertn.net>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>	<42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>	<9fa4fbaef177900aee5c017374cf438a@chartertn.net>	<42DBF235.4040606@imc-group.com>
	<6a1239feb51513a782d237af3ed2a42c@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <42DC4769.1090106@comcast.net>

Not zeners.Substantial P.I.V. (Peak Inverse[reverse] Voltage) standard 
silicon diodes.
Used for D.C....like a car's coil making a spark when it's magnetic 
field collapses.Same thing happens with all inductive 
[Transformer,Coil,Relay, etc.] circuitry.


John Culp wrote:

> Curt, I don't fool with that newfangled solid state stuff much at all. 
> I wasn't the one who brought up snubber diodes, I pointed out that 
> they were a silicon analog of a tube. If what I'm working on doesn't 
> have tubes in it, I feel like a stranger in a strange land! RC 
> circuits do work well for voltage spike protection on tube amp output 
> circuits, as does a simple resistor across the secondary in the ratio 
> of, say, 20/1 to the load resistance. Spoils the Q of the transformer 
> just enough to keep it from frying things if the speaker's left 
> unconnected and a transient gets into the amp input. An RC series 
> across the transformer's primary serves the dual purpose of also 
> shaping the tone, filtering off highs. It's been called a "conjunctive 
> filter." It's not quite a simple low pass filter, as it is in parallel 
> with the inductance of the transformer primary, so there's an LC 
> resonance also involved.
>
> Yeah, 5Y3GTs are a good old rectifier tube! I've got a big old radio 
> that uses that. Been in the family since 1951. Every once in a while I 
> have to fix it. :-)
>
> John
>
> On Jul 18, 2005, at 2:17 PM, Curt wrote:
>
>> John,
>> Since you have changed from DC circuits to AC circuits,  I gotta ask, 
>> why use a solid state device for energy absorption when a simple 
>> rugged RC circuit does well?
>> I've not seen these quenching/spike diodes you mention used anywhere 
>> on contacts or coils. Are these simply zenors?
>> On your tubes.....5Y3GT 's? I think I've still got a few of those.....
>> Curt Holland
>> Gastonia, NC
>
>
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jul 19 04:41:36 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:41:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Stickney Fuel Pumps
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F16C0AACC86E36CC5C855F995D50@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY108-F16C0AACC86E36CC5C855F995D50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42DCE6F0.8040301@imc-group.com>

Steve has asked I post a couple of pictures of the lobe side of his cam 
box.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Stickney/stevestickney%201.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Stickney/stevestickney%202.jpg

Or if those don't work try:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Stickney/stevestickney 1.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Stickney/stevestickney 2.jpg

One difference I see right off is that the 2 dowel pin holes are above 
and below the stub sticking off the side of the cam box. On the earlier 
models those holes were left and right of the stub. I'll try and work up 
an assembly drawing showing the fuel pump, priming lever, roller, and 
cam all together to see if it looks like those dimensions will match yours.
Curt

Steve Royster wrote:

>
> I need help from the Stickney experts on the list:  As you know Curt 
> Holland is having castings done to replicate Stickney fuel pumps. He 
> has used as the pattern the regular sized (Large Cambox) pump as a 
> Pattern.  I have a small cambox Stickney and wondered if they would 
> interchange. I have heard opinions both ways and wondered if anyone 
> has tried it or knows for sure if they are interchangeable or if they 
> will work with modifications. Many thanks, Steve Royster
>
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Jul 19 05:42:22 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 06:42:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] IHC photo
References: <1fb.c892f56.30083019@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV19C5B1131AB0A32FB16094BBD40@phx.gbl>

Thanks Tom...yup sure looks like it.

later
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC photo


> In a message dated 7/14/2005 9:25:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:
>
> << what is the machine in the back,, up against the wall??
>  seed cleaner/sorter >>
>
>
> Rick,
>
> It appears to be another International engine, tray cooled, on wagon with
> high rise seat and foot rest.  If you have the 150 Years of IH book, check 
> pg 113.
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
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From andyglines at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 19 06:09:32 2005
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:09:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RE: Paint and primer
In-Reply-To: <200507161000.j6GA0AuB022215@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F868E6F63B02A6729A4E45C7D40@phx.gbl>


>Message: 6
>Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:08:22 -0400
>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Paint and primer
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <42D7D166.3010209 at imc-group.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

>Andy,
>Like the shellac, any solvent based primer is going to lift even under
>the best 2 part top coats if a solvent like gasoline spends much time on
>the paint. For years I used lacquer based primer surfacers on both
>automotive finishes and engines. These were top coated with Dupont
>Imron. This combination works fine on automobile finishes because you
>rarely have scratches/chips combined with the presence of gasoline. On
>engines it is a different story. This is why I have finally made the
>switch to 2 part primers. This way the primer is as inert to the
>gasoline as is the top coat. Nothing other than sand blasting will lift
>the paint on an engine/tractor painted with 2 part primer and then 2
>part color coat.
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:07:47 +0000
>From: mullt at att.net
>Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Paint and primer
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID:

>
>Sooo....if you are like me and you screw the paint job up when you are 
>spraying it on, the only way to fix the screw up is to sand blast it off 
>and start over.
>
>Tom in St. Louis
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------

Agree with you Curt we are always better off with a better primer coat.  In 
fact I learned a little here.  I didn't know how much better until now.   
Tom, no you don't have to sandblast to bare metal to fix a mistake or repair 
some damage.  You do have to follow the manufacturer's directions for 
applying additional coats and doing repairs.  They should tell you how to 
apply to product for the best results.   For exapmle:  My I can put multiple 
coats of Delstar if I want to.  The instructions tell me that additional 
coats must be applied almost immediately or I have to wait about two weeks.  
If I follow their instructions, all will work well.  When you buy high 
quality paints like PPG or Dupont don't be afraid to ask lots of questions 
of the folks behind the counter.  They know how your product is to be 
applied and what the best conditions are for application.  If they don't 
know their product backwards & forwards buy your paint elsewhere.




From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jul 19 10:50:51 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:50:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Stickney Fuel Pumps
In-Reply-To: <42DC0A92.1070408@imc-group.com>
References: <BAY108-F16C0AACC86E36CC5C855F995D50@phx.gbl>
	<42DC0A92.1070408@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <42DD3D7B.4090107@imc-group.com>

Steve,
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Stickney/LayoutSteve.bmp>
Is a layout of the pump, priming lever, bolt, and cam. You'll see a 2.5 
dimension from the cam box to the edge of the cam lobe.
I am missing the horizontal dimension from the camshaft centerline to 
the centerline of the stub the fuel pump bolts too. I'll try to measure 
that on my engine if no one else knows the measurement.
Curt


> To assist here is a picture of the fuel pump on the older/larger cam 
> box Stickney.
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/FuelPump/PB120024.JPG> 
>
> Steve, can you post a picture of the cam lobe side of the cam box? 
> That might help us determine. Maybe a few measurements....
> I can post an image of mine (old style) and perhaps compare.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> Steve Royster wrote:
>
>>
>> I need help from the Stickney experts on the list:  As you know Curt 
>> Holland is having castings done to replicate Stickney fuel pumps. He 
>> has used as the pattern the regular sized (Large Cambox) pump as a 
>> Pattern.  I have a small cambox Stickney and wondered if they would 
>> interchange. I have heard opinions both ways and wondered if anyone 
>> has tried it or knows for sure if they are interchangeable or if they 
>> will work with modifications. Many thanks, Steve Royster
>>
>>
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>>
>
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 19 11:41:52 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:41:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Stickney Fuel Pumps
In-Reply-To: <42DD3D7B.4090107@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F10029F3AE763F4B83BCE7D95D40@phx.gbl>

Thanks Curt, I'll measure mine tonight. Steve

>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Stickney Fuel Pumps
>Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:50:51 -0400
>
>Steve,
><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Stickney/LayoutSteve.bmp>
>Is a layout of the pump, priming lever, bolt, and cam. You'll see a 2.5 
>dimension from the cam box to the edge of the cam lobe.
>I am missing the horizontal dimension from the camshaft centerline to the 
>centerline of the stub the fuel pump bolts too. I'll try to measure that on 
>my engine if no one else knows the measurement.
>Curt
>
>
>>To assist here is a picture of the fuel pump on the older/larger cam box 
>>Stickney.
>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/FuelPump/PB120024.JPG>
>>
>>Steve, can you post a picture of the cam lobe side of the cam box? That 
>>might help us determine. Maybe a few measurements....
>>I can post an image of mine (old style) and perhaps compare.
>>Curt Holland
>>Gastonia, NC
>>
>>Steve Royster wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I need help from the Stickney experts on the list:  As you know Curt 
>>>Holland is having castings done to replicate Stickney fuel pumps. He has 
>>>used as the pattern the regular sized (Large Cambox) pump as a Pattern.  
>>>I have a small cambox Stickney and wondered if they would interchange. I 
>>>have heard opinions both ways and wondered if anyone has tried it or 
>>>knows for sure if they are interchangeable or if they will work with 
>>>modifications. Many thanks, Steve Royster
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
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>>>
>>>
>>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul 19 15:32:06 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:32:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
Message-ID: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL>

I would like to talk to some of our Cajun list members, I am trying to figure out how to build a Cajun microwave.

Thanks

From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Jul 19 16:26:25 2005
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:26:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
Message-ID: <E2F600719FA6FF438A680A22A00DA43C093B64BE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

Do a Google search on Cajun microwave.

Lots of sites come up.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Paul Maples
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:32 PM
> To: Stationary Engine List
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
> 
> I would like to talk to some of our Cajun list members, I am 
> trying to figure out how to build a Cajun microwave.
> 
> Thanks
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Jul 19 16:45:46 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:45:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
References: <E2F600719FA6FF438A680A22A00DA43C093B64BE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV3DD180B0F8619585D0D91BBD40@phx.gbl>

Thanks George..I was wondering myself...are you going to D.J. Baisch's show?

thinkin' about it
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:26 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members


> Do a Google search on Cajun microwave.
> 
> Lots of sites come up.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Paul Maples
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:32 PM
> > To: Stationary Engine List
> > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
> > 
> > I would like to talk to some of our Cajun list members, I am 
> > trying to figure out how to build a Cajun microwave.
> > 
> > Thanks
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From mmco at cox-internet.com  Tue Jul 19 16:47:17 2005
From: mmco at cox-internet.com (Bo)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:47:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
References: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <002401c58cbc$32aa9eb0$bda7e244@bo8c0f983ca9d7>

Hi Paul , just think of it as a pretty good size insulated box with a cover 
for the top that makes a good sealing fit that you put your charcoal on to .
All four sides and bottom needs to be well sealed and well insulated . We 
make the inner part using thin stainless , then about 1" of foam ( the kind 
they use to insulate steam lines ) fitted in and next to the stainless box 
,then wrap it all around with lumber or thin aluminum real tight ( also use 
lumber or aluminum on the bottom ) and then make the lid .Lets say the box 
is 2' square ( it should be counter sunk ) , the lid should fit real snug 
when put it on and everything on top of the lid should also be insulated 
EXCEPT for a 1' square right in the center of the lid and that is where you 
put the coals .I also built one with removable racks in it so your meat 
could be stacked at one , two , or three different levels . Light the coals 
, go party and come back in about 6 or seven hours and the meat is ready to 
eat .
Makes me hungry just thinking about it .

Bo Hinch


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:32 PM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members


I would like to talk to some of our Cajun list members, I am trying to 
figure out how to build a Cajun microwave.

Thanks
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From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us  Tue Jul 19 17:03:36 2005
From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:03:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL>;
	from paulmaples@sbcglobal.net on Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 05:32:06PM
	-0500
References: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <20050719190336.A6865@ralph.lafayette.la.us>

Hi Paul,

On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 05:32:06PM -0500, Paul Maples wrote:
> I would like to talk to some of our Cajun list members, I am trying to
> figure out how to build a Cajun microwave.

I'm not an expert but I am a cajun and I've seen a few cajun microwaves.
The suggested google search will quickly find a few variations of the
design. What are you looking for?

-- 
Pete Alleman - Lafayette, Louisiana, USA
	pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us
	HTTP://ralph.lafayette.la.us


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul 19 17:49:25 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:49:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
References: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL>
	<20050719190336.A6865@ralph.lafayette.la.us>
Message-ID: <00dd01c58cc4$e0f1aa60$230110ac@PAUL>

Hello Pete,

Just heard about these things tonight for the first time. The one the guy 
was describing to me had some racks in it for different levels of cooking, I 
guess. I saw one on Google but it was just a box and I was hoping to talk to 
someone who had one and uses them and could tell me the best way to go about 
this.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Alleman" <pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members


> Hi Paul,
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 05:32:06PM -0500, Paul Maples wrote:
>> I would like to talk to some of our Cajun list members, I am trying to
>> figure out how to build a Cajun microwave.
>
> 



From rex002 at centurytel.net  Tue Jul 19 18:37:44 2005
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:37:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New ISP New DSL New Idenity
Message-ID: <001101c58ccb$a2937670$0201a8c0@mycomputer>

Hi List;

    I was having trouble with my mail to the list , seems my Isp securiyt
took my first name as a sex and not Rex and my last name as somthing worse,
that caused lots of my mail to be considered abusive , I now have a new
Idenity and Isp , it was time to change from the sluggish dial up to DSL
anyway so here is the test ,

CAN ANY BODY HEAR ME ?   :-))    Thanks
Enginegeek
Rex Hinz




From transteck at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 19 18:51:43 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:51:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New ISP New DSL New Idenity
In-Reply-To: <001101c58ccb$a2937670$0201a8c0@mycomputer>
References: <001101c58ccb$a2937670$0201a8c0@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <42DDAE2F.4020307@earthlink.net>

Loud and clear!!


Rex Hinz wrote:

>Hi List;
>
>    I was having trouble with my mail to the list , seems my Isp securiyt
>took my first name as a sex and not Rex and my last name as somthing worse,
>that caused lots of my mail to be considered abusive , I now have a new
>Idenity and Isp , it was time to change from the sluggish dial up to DSL
>anyway so here is the test ,
>
>CAN ANY BODY HEAR ME ?   :-))    Thanks
>Enginegeek
>Rex Hinz
>
>
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>
>  
>



From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Jul 19 19:09:21 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:09:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New ISP New DSL New Idenity
Message-ID: <20050719.220921.1308.10.jlb94@juno.com>

I hear ya - 

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us  Tue Jul 19 19:17:37 2005
From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:17:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
In-Reply-To: <00dd01c58cc4$e0f1aa60$230110ac@PAUL>;
	from paulmaples@sbcglobal.net on Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 07:49:25PM
	-0500
References: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL>
	<20050719190336.A6865@ralph.lafayette.la.us>
	<00dd01c58cc4$e0f1aa60$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <20050719211737.A7538@ralph.lafayette.la.us>

On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 07:49:25PM -0500, Paul Maples wrote:
> Just heard about these things tonight for the first time. The one the guy 
> was describing to me had some racks in it for different levels of cooking, I 
> guess. I saw one on Google but it was just a box and I was hoping to talk to 
> someone who had one and uses them and could tell me the best way to go about 
> this.

The ones I've seen are usually about 2 feet wide, 5 feet long, and 2 feet
deep and mostly made of wood. The inside is usually lined with aluminum
foil. The cover is mostly steel with wooden framework to make it fit
tightly on the box. Build a fire on the steel cover and use the radiant
heat to SLOW cook. Most are homemade with a very simple design.

They usually put a whole, cleaned pig in. The pig is stuffed with seasoning
and cooked for about 8 hours. It makes for a fantastic, tender pork. Some
put chickens in there too for a little variety.

-- 
Pete Alleman - Lafayette, Louisiana, USA
	pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us
	HTTP://ralph.lafayette.la.us


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Jul 19 19:26:48 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:26:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New ISP New DSL New Idenity
References: <001101c58ccb$a2937670$0201a8c0@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <014101c58cd2$7d0ea620$3e4d6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Working fine on the left coast.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA 
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 6:37 PM
Subject: [SEL] New ISP New DSL New Idenity


Hi List;

    I was having trouble with my mail to the list , seems my Isp securiyt
took my first name as a sex and not Rex and my last name as somthing worse,
that caused lots of my mail to be considered abusive , I now have a new
Idenity and Isp , it was time to change from the sluggish dial up to DSL
anyway so here is the test ,

CAN ANY BODY HEAR ME ?   :-))    Thanks
Enginegeek
Rex Hinz


_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From transteck at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 19 19:43:37 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:43:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL>
References: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <42DDBA59.7020701@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Ken set up an off topic list some months ago. It really could use more 
traffic, and it's the perfect place for this type of stuff. We can talk 
there about roasting pigs, Cajun microwaves, and all sorts of off topic 
stuff there. That could include lectronics that are not engine related 
too. It is a private invite list and consists of SEL folks who want to 
share non engine stuff. Great place!!

How bought signing on over there and give it a try. I've posted the 
original message below with sign on info. Once your signed on lets talk 
ribs, baby backs, and the best way to cook em. No better way to get 
things going over there. :-)

Jeff Allen

>In order to help keep peace in the stationary engine list family, I have
>created a new
>email list called "Off_Topic" where subscribers can share their problems
>with other
>list folk as long as it is not engine related and not political or
>religious in nature.  Be
>prepared to use the Delete key a lot  :-) 
>
>To subscribe, just go to:
>http://lists.oldiron-nut.com/mailman/listinfo/off_topic 
>
>Take care.
>
>Ken Christison
>www.oldiron-nut.com
>


Paul Maples wrote:

>I would like to talk to some of our Cajun list members, I am trying to figure out how to build a Cajun microwave.
>
>Thanks
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jul 19 20:04:19 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:04:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New ISP New DSL New Idenity
In-Reply-To: <001101c58ccb$a2937670$0201a8c0@mycomputer>
References: <001101c58ccb$a2937670$0201a8c0@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050719230344.03f7b3b0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Sex, ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
         Dave

>CAN ANY BODY HEAR ME ?   :-))    Thanks
>Enginegeek
>Rex Hinz



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Tue Jul 19 20:09:13 2005
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:09:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
In-Reply-To: <20050719211737.A7538@ralph.lafayette.la.us>
References: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL>
	<20050719190336.A6865@ralph.lafayette.la.us>
	<00dd01c58cc4$e0f1aa60$230110ac@PAUL>
	<20050719211737.A7538@ralph.lafayette.la.us>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050719220813.047c3120@mail.herculesengines.com>

Not quite what your talking about but similar in results.  Check out our 
trash can cookers:
http://www.herculesengines.com/Trash%20Can%20Turkey/Index.htm
Keith





At 09:17 PM 7/19/2005, you wrote:
>On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 07:49:25PM -0500, Paul Maples wrote:
> > Just heard about these things tonight for the first time. The one the guy
> > was describing to me had some racks in it for different levels of 
> cooking, I
> > guess. I saw one on Google but it was just a box and I was hoping to 
> talk to
> > someone who had one and uses them and could tell me the best way to go 
> about
> > this.
>
>The ones I've seen are usually about 2 feet wide, 5 feet long, and 2 feet
>deep and mostly made of wood. The inside is usually lined with aluminum
>foil. The cover is mostly steel with wooden framework to make it fit
>tightly on the box. Build a fire on the steel cover and use the radiant
>heat to SLOW cook. Most are homemade with a very simple design.
>
>They usually put a whole, cleaned pig in. The pig is stuffed with seasoning
>and cooked for about 8 hours. It makes for a fantastic, tender pork. Some
>put chickens in there too for a little variety.
>
>--
>Pete Alleman - Lafayette, Louisiana, USA
>         pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us
>         HTTP://ralph.lafayette.la.us
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jul 20 04:32:09 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:32:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
In-Reply-To: <00dd01c58cc4$e0f1aa60$230110ac@PAUL>
References: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL>	<20050719190336.A6865@ralph.lafayette.la.us>
	<00dd01c58cc4$e0f1aa60$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <42DE3639.9040700@imc-group.com>

Paul,
With all the time you spend on engines I'd have never guessed you had 
such a passion for food! HA! :-)
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Paul Maples wrote:

> Hello Pete,
>
> Just heard about these things tonight for the first time. The one the 
> guy was describing to me had some racks in it for different levels of 
> cooking, I guess. I saw one on Google but it was just a box and I was 
> hoping to talk to someone who had one and uses them and could tell me 
> the best way to go about this.
>



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul 19 20:41:32 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:41:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
References: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL><20050719190336.A6865@ralph.lafayette.la.us><00dd01c58cc4$e0f1aa60$230110ac@PAUL><20050719211737.A7538@ralph.lafayette.la.us>
	<6.2.1.2.0.20050719220813.047c3120@mail.herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <000101c58d25$cad17c40$230110ac@PAUL>

Neato Ken, never saw this before. Thanks for posting.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Kinney" <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members


> Not quite what your talking about but similar in results.  Check out our 
> trash can cookers:
> http://www.herculesengines.com/Trash%20Can%20Turkey/Index.htm
> Keith




From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Jul 20 07:20:35 2005
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:20:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] DJ Baisch show?
Message-ID: <E2F600719FA6FF438A680A22A00DA43C0941C7F5@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

 Richard,

I hadn't heard that DJ was having a show.  I know from previous years
that he has the local engine club out to his place for a mini show.

When is it and what do you know about this show?

George

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Strobel
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 4:46 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
> 
> Thanks George..I was wondering myself...are you going to D.J. 
> Baisch's show?
> 
> thinkin' about it
> RickinMt.



From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jul 20 08:48:11 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:48:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...
Message-ID: <20050720.115342.1020.2.jlb94@juno.com>

I have just subscribed to the "Off-Topic" list so I can help "keep peace"
with the SEL..


The only problem I have with this is all the OT stuff I'll miss by
everyone NOT posting OT stuff on the SEL.

"And they wonder why they shoot each other."

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul 20 11:02:23 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:02:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Setup of List Area at Portland
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507201355220.39998@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Its that time of year again; time to discuss who among us can step up
and serve the needs of the many.  We're talking about the annual Portland
land grab.  Namely being at Portland on the Friday before the show (August
21st) to reserve and stake out an area for the folks on the Stationary
Engine List to call their own and setup in.

Do we have one or more volunteers?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jul 20 11:18:49 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:18:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...
In-Reply-To: <20050720.115342.1020.2.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20050720.115342.1020.2.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4384.165.206.180.102.1121883529.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

But Joe, I already have a question - Can you  post an OT message on the OT
list, or, gasp, worse, an engine post on the OT list?

Bill

> I have just subscribed to the "Off-Topic" list so I can help "keep peace"
> with the SEL..
>
>
> The only problem I have with this is all the OT stuff I'll miss by
> everyone NOT posting OT stuff on the SEL.
>
> "And they wonder why they shoot each other."
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>  ,-._,-.         "What I can do,
>  \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jul 20 13:54:44 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:54:44 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Setup of List Area at Portland
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507201355220.39998@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507201355220.39998@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f602516050720135430bef047@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/20/05, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Its that time of year again; time to discuss who among us can step up
> and serve the needs of the many.  We're talking about the annual Portland
> land grab.  Namely being at Portland on the Friday before the show (August
> 21st) to reserve and stake out an area for the folks on the Stationary
> Engine List to call their own and setup in.
> 
> Do we have one or more volunteers?
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero

Do you have a different calendar to us??  Friday is the 19th where we are.... 

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul 20 14:32:27 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:32:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Setup of List Area at Portland
In-Reply-To: <6f602516050720135430bef047@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507201355220.39998@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6f602516050720135430bef047@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507201729380.39998@vegeta.city-net.com>

Well Portland DOES do a wierd local time zone thing, but you're absolutely
correct.  We do need a land rush baron to do some magic for us all on
Friday August 19th.

Thanks for the catch.  The land would be all staked out by others if our
crew didn't arrive until the 21st.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Listerdiesel wrote:

> > Its that time of year again; time to discuss who among us can step up
> > and serve the needs of the many.  We're talking about the annual Portland
> > land grab.  Namely being at Portland on the Friday before the show (August
> > 21st) to reserve and stake out an area for the folks on the Stationary
> > Engine List to call their own and setup in.
> >
> > Do we have one or more volunteers?
>
> Do you have a different calendar to us??  Friday is the 19th where we are....



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jul 20 14:57:44 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:57:44 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Setup of List Area at Portland
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507201729380.39998@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507201355220.39998@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6f602516050720135430bef047@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0507201729380.39998@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f602516050720145732d6a92e@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/20/05, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> Well Portland DOES do a wierd local time zone thing, but you're absolutely
> correct.  We do need a land rush baron to do some magic for us all on
> Friday August 19th.
> 
> Thanks for the catch.  The land would be all staked out by others if our
> crew didn't arrive until the 21st.
> 
> See ya,  Arnie

Glad to help, I was about to rush off and change our flights!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 20 16:35:23 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:35:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...
In-Reply-To: <20050720.115342.1020.2.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20050720.115342.1020.2.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <42DEDFBB.7030202@earthlink.net>

Hi Joe,

If all the SEL folks who like to share OT stuff would join the OT list 
nothing would be missed. The SEL would be a place for engine talk, as it 
should be. The Cajun microwave, electronics, photography, old car 
restoration, etc. would be where they belong. I would love a follow up 
on Bill D's auto restoration. Always love to talk outdoor cooking too. 
Ken's photos are fabulous over there. Come on over and try it folks. 
Sure would love to talk Cajun microwaves with someone who has one. I 
won't do it here though. Wrong forum. IMHO

Jeff Allen

jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

>I have just subscribed to the "Off-Topic" list so I can help "keep peace"
>with the SEL..
>
>
>The only problem I have with this is all the OT stuff I'll miss by
>everyone NOT posting OT stuff on the SEL.
>
>"And they wonder why they shoot each other."
>
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
>jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
> \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
> (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jul 20 17:03:11 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:03:11 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Dean Faiground Organ
Message-ID: <002301c58d87$998e0510$e29281cb@ogborneuah38i3>

A friend of mine has purchased a 32 key Dean Fairground Organ and we have 
invited him to our home for a recital!
As we have distant neighbours [ the organ is LOUD] he can blast out all 
those old Pommie fairground tunes.
This will make a great addition to our local shows .
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jul 20 17:05:20 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:05:20 +0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...
References: <20050720.115342.1020.2.jlb94@juno.com>
	<4384.165.206.180.102.1121883529.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <002901c58d87$e6100c80$e29281cb@ogborneuah38i3>

I don't have a problem with the list as it is . A bit of OT now and then is 
fine and it keeps some of these wankers on their toes.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...


> But Joe, I already have a question - Can you  post an OT message on the OT
> list, or, gasp, worse, an engine post on the OT list?
>
> Bill
>
>> I have just subscribed to the "Off-Topic" list so I can help "keep peace"
>> with the SEL..
>>
>>
>> The only problem I have with this is all the OT stuff I'll miss by
>> everyone NOT posting OT stuff on the SEL.
>>
>> "And they wonder why they shoot each other."
>>
>> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>> jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>>  ,-._,-.         "What I can do,
>>  \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
>>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jul 20 17:05:06 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:05:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...
References: <20050720.115342.1020.2.jlb94@juno.com>
	<42DEDFBB.7030202@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00c001c58d87$ee62f050$230110ac@PAUL>

Hey Jeff I am in the process of subscribing to the O.T. List now. I will let 
you know when I am online and we will discuss Cajun Microwaves.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...


> Hi Joe,
>




From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jul 20 17:19:32 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:19:32 EDT
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...
Message-ID: <97.63b1f85b.30104414@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/20/2005 8:00:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
transteck at earthlink.net writes:

<< Come on over and try it folks. >>


Thanks Jeff, but one "list" is all my simple mind can handle.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 20 18:28:46 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:28:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
References: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL><20050719190336.A6865@ralph.lafayette.la.us>
	<00dd01c58cc4$e0f1aa60$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <004e01c58d95$065f9ca0$24b6f504@x8h7l9>

Paul,

If it is internal combustion, maybe it is not OT.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members


> Hello Pete,
>
> Just heard about these things tonight for the first time. The one the guy
> was describing to me had some racks in it for different levels of cooking,
I
> guess. I saw one on Google but it was just a box and I was hoping to talk
to
> someone who had one and uses them and could tell me the best way to go
about
> this.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Pete Alleman" <pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 7:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
>
>
> > Hi Paul,
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 05:32:06PM -0500, Paul Maples wrote:
> >> I would like to talk to some of our Cajun list members, I am trying to
> >> figure out how to build a Cajun microwave.
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 20 18:37:02 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:37:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
References: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL><20050719190336.A6865@ralph.lafayette.la.us><00dd01c58cc4$e0f1aa60$230110ac@PAUL>
	<20050719211737.A7538@ralph.lafayette.la.us>
Message-ID: <005001c58d95$06fe4da0$24b6f504@x8h7l9>

We have a grill at church which was supported with Pressure Treated wood.
One day the PT wood started to burn and sure gave the steaks a funny flavor.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Alleman" <pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members


> On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 07:49:25PM -0500, Paul Maples wrote:
> > Just heard about these things tonight for the first time. The one the
guy
> > was describing to me had some racks in it for different levels of
cooking, I
> > guess. I saw one on Google but it was just a box and I was hoping to
talk to
> > someone who had one and uses them and could tell me the best way to go
about
> > this.
>
> The ones I've seen are usually about 2 feet wide, 5 feet long, and 2 feet
> deep and mostly made of wood. The inside is usually lined with aluminum
> foil. The cover is mostly steel with wooden framework to make it fit
> tightly on the box. Build a fire on the steel cover and use the radiant
> heat to SLOW cook. Most are homemade with a very simple design.
>
> They usually put a whole, cleaned pig in. The pig is stuffed with
seasoning
> and cooked for about 8 hours. It makes for a fantastic, tender pork. Some
> put chickens in there too for a little variety.
>
> -- 
> Pete Alleman - Lafayette, Louisiana, USA
> pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us
> HTTP://ralph.lafayette.la.us
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Jul 20 19:00:00 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:00:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Damn, it would have been GREAT!
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050720215911.04100d38@mail.alltel.net>

See: 
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7BE2A1975E%2DF6DE%2D4703%2D9EC1%2DF369EE37CD3B%7D&siteid=mktw&dist=
	Dave



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul 20 19:19:12 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:19:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine in Oz (#4563511471)
Message-ID: <1121912352.42df0620e5fa8@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Do any of the Aussie engine men recognize this engine?
Does that look like a huge frost repair to the side of the engine?
Just curious; not planning on bidding on it.  The summary description is a tad
"brief."  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

----- Forwarded message from "eBay Member: fero_ah at city-net.com"

View this Item on eBay at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4563511471

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Old Stationary Engine
Item number: 4563511471
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Seller: kaseyjayne04(0)

Member since Jul-20-05 in Australia
Starting bid: AU $50.00 		
(Approximately?US $37.46)					

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Time left: 6 days 9 hours
7-day listing
Ends Jul-27-0503:50:05 PDT

Item location: South Gundagai, New South Wales
Australia
Ships to: Will arrange for local pickup only (no shipping).

-----------------------------------------------------------------

Summary
OLD STATIONARY ENGINE WITH ORIGINAL CHASSIS AND WHEELS...
GREAT COLLECTORS PIECE WILL NOT BE DISSAPOINTED.

-----------------------------------------------------------------



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Jul 20 19:37:18 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:37:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Damn, it would have been GREAT!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050720215911.04100d38@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050720215911.04100d38@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <20d6a09cbb647ac5a38a05c1cac46ab1@chartertn.net>

Looks like they axed it.

John

On Jul 20, 2005, at 10:00 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> See:  
> http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp? 
> guid=%7BE2A1975E%2DF6DE%2D4703%2D9EC1%2DF369EE37CD3B%7D&siteid=mktw&dis 
> t=
> 	Dave


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Wed Jul 20 19:56:36 2005
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:56:36 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine in Oz (#4563511471)
References: <1121912352.42df0620e5fa8@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <009401c58d9f$cf7f7380$210110ac@service>

Hi Arnie,
that engine is a ronaldson tippett diesel either 6 or 8 hp
it does have a big repair job, very common engine here in  West Aussie.
Cheers, Chester


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old_Engine"
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:19 AM
Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine in Oz (#4563511471)


> Hi Folks,
>
> Do any of the Aussie engine men recognize this engine?
> Does that look like a huge frost repair to the side of the engine?
> Just curious; not planning on bidding on it.  The summary description is a
tad
> "brief."  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> ----- Forwarded message from "eBay Member: fero_ah at city-net.com"
>
> View this Item on eBay at
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4563511471
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Old Stationary Engine
> Item number: 4563511471
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Seller: kaseyjayne04(0)
>
> Member since Jul-20-05 in Australia
> Starting bid: AU $50.00
> (Approximately US $37.46)
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Time left: 6 days 9 hours
> 7-day listing
> Ends Jul-27-0503:50:05 PDT
>
> Item location: South Gundagai, New South Wales
> Australia
> Ships to: Will arrange for local pickup only (no shipping).
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Summary
> OLD STATIONARY ENGINE WITH ORIGINAL CHASSIS AND WHEELS...
> GREAT COLLECTORS PIECE WILL NOT BE DISSAPOINTED.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jul 20 20:02:25 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:02:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
Message-ID: <20050720.230255.1372.8.jlb94@juno.com>

One day the PT wood started to burn and sure gave the steaks a funny
flavor.
=        =        =        =        =        
Probably that arsenic (or is it cyanide?) they pump into it.

Someone told me "You shouldn't burn treated lumber", let alone cook with
it.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
\/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jul 20 20:02:54 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:02:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...
Message-ID: <20050720.230255.1372.9.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Jeff,
I can understand.  And - YES - Some subjects tend to go on forever.

But - Mostly - I think the SEL stays "engine".

I guess we'll see how it goes.

Thanks

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
\/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jul 20 20:58:52 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:58:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
References: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL><20050719190336.A6865@ralph.lafayette.la.us><00dd01c58cc4$e0f1aa60$230110ac@PAUL><20050719211737.A7538@ralph.lafayette.la.us>
	<005001c58d95$06fe4da0$24b6f504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <016501c58dab$bb439660$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I am amazed you are still here to tell us about it!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members


> We have a grill at church which was supported with Pressure Treated wood.
> One day the PT wood started to burn and sure gave the steaks a funny 
> flavor.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT




From guitronics at comcast.net  Thu Jul 21 01:50:49 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 04:50:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
In-Reply-To: <004e01c58d95$065f9ca0$24b6f504@x8h7l9>
References: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL><20050719190336.A6865@ralph.lafayette.la.us>	<00dd01c58cc4$e0f1aa60$230110ac@PAUL>
	<004e01c58d95$065f9ca0$24b6f504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <42DF61E9.2060007@comcast.net>

What if it's external combustion?

ED wrote:

>Paul,
>
>If it is internal combustion, maybe it is not OT.
>
>Ed Stoller
>New Fairfield, CT
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 8:49 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
>
>
>  
>
>>Hello Pete,
>>
>>Just heard about these things tonight for the first time. The one the guy
>>was describing to me had some racks in it for different levels of cooking,
>>    
>>
>I
>  
>
>>guess. I saw one on Google but it was just a box and I was hoping to talk
>>    
>>
>to
>  
>
>>someone who had one and uses them and could tell me the best way to go
>>    
>>
>about
>  
>
>>this.
>>
>>Paul
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Pete Alleman" <pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 7:03 PM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hi Paul,
>>>
>>>On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 05:32:06PM -0500, Paul Maples wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I would like to talk to some of our Cajun list members, I am trying to
>>>>figure out how to build a Cajun microwave.
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>  
>


From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Wed Jul 20 20:30:10 2005
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:30:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
  AND!!!...
In-Reply-To: <00c001c58d87$ee62f050$230110ac@PAUL>
References: <20050720.115342.1020.2.jlb94@juno.com>
	<42DEDFBB.7030202@earthlink.net>
	<00c001c58d87$ee62f050$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050720222944.04824378@mail.herculesengines.com>

How do you subscribe to the OT list?
Thanks.
Keith

At 07:05 PM 7/20/2005, you wrote:
>Hey Jeff I am in the process of subscribing to the O.T. List now. I will 
>let you know when I am online and we will discuss Cajun Microwaves.
>
>Paul
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 6:35 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...
>
>
>>Hi Joe,
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jul 21 04:52:33 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 04:52:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...
In-Reply-To: <20050720.230255.1372.9.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20050720.230255.1372.9.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <1888.165.206.180.102.1121946753.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

At least it ain't cow prolapses........

Bill

> Hi Jeff,
> I can understand.  And - YES - Some subjects tend to go on forever.
>
> But - Mostly - I think the SEL stays "engine".
>
> I guess we'll see how it goes.
>
> Thanks
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.         "What I can do,
> \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
> (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jul 21 04:58:13 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 04:58:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Damn, it would have been GREAT!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050720215911.04100d38@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050720215911.04100d38@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <1928.165.206.180.102.1121947093.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

The very last thing the employees of Maytag here in Iowa want or need is a
"holding company" like these "investors" buying the company. Been through
that sort of stuff. It's never pretty for the company or the people who
work there.
They would be better off if Whirlpool buys. Actually, they'd have been
better off if the jerks who made it into top management at Maytag had died
during birth.
Fred's gotta be turning in his grave

Bill

> See:
> http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7BE2A1975E%2DF6DE%2D4703%2D9EC1%2DF369EE37CD3B%7D&siteid=mktw&dist=
> 	Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jul 21 07:56:10 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:56:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Interesting Tool
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV21A91BDEA54130B7022726BBD60@phx.gbl>

  We found this in spud heads FIL's shop.  Anyone want to take a guess at 
it?  Not the rake:-)

http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556018qgDHpU

  Warm in Mt.
Rick 


From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jul 21 08:46:00 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:46:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...
Message-ID: <20050721.115614.860.4.jlb94@juno.com>

How do you subscribe to the OT list?
Thanks.
Keith
=        =        =        =        =        =        =        
Try here Keith,
Off_Topic at oldiron-nut.com 


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Thu Jul 21 09:27:05 2005
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:27:05 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Interesting Tool
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV21A91BDEA54130B7022726BBD60@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV21A91BDEA54130B7022726BBD60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <VEWPaqkZz83CFwoJ@loud-n-clear.net>

In message <BAY5-DAV21A91BDEA54130B7022726BBD60 at phx.gbl>, Richard 
Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> writes
>  We found this in spud heads FIL's shop.  Anyone want to take a guess at
>it?  Not the rake:-)
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556018qgDHpU
>
>  Warm in Mt.
>Rick

It was the cow magnet and installer what gave it away :-)

I think this is part of another veterinary tool - there should be a 
serrated rod or rack that goes with it, and a sort of winch handle or 
"come-along"-type jacking device.  I think this is used to deliver 
calves...

I could be completely wrong, of course :-)

Regards

      Pete

-- 
Peter Scales



From falcon at telenet.net  Thu Jul 21 09:41:54 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:41:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Interesting Tool
References: <BAY5-DAV21A91BDEA54130B7022726BBD60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <006a01c58e13$1ae894a0$2e5c14d0@net.telenet.net>

Axle adjustment truss?

Steve Williams

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:56 AM
Subject: [SEL] Interesting Tool


>   We found this in spud heads FIL's shop.  Anyone want to take a guess
at
> it?  Not the rake:-)
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556018qgDHpU
>
>   Warm in Mt.
> Rick
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jul 21 12:21:39 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:21:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Exhaust valve cages.
Message-ID: <42DFF5C3.4040104@imc-group.com>

It won't be long and I'll be bolting the exhaust valve cage into the 
Baker Monitor and painting the engine. Hopefully Saturday morning.
When putting one of these tapered valve cages in place is it customary 
to use any kind of high temp. sealer/dope? Or is it just cast on cast?
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
Cart and engine (some assembly required)
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/P7140139.JPG>


From BillMil357 at aol.com  Thu Jul 21 14:38:37 2005
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:38:37 EDT
Subject: [SEL] IH Red Power Roundup (Show Lebanon TN.)
Message-ID: <ac.779d559d.30116fdd@aol.com>

Hey Men,
 
Are any of you going to the RPRU (Red Power Round Up) All antique IH Farm  
equipment including IH Hit and Miss engines, my Grandson and I are going and  
stay Fri. and Sat. and I am taking a Cub Cadet that I just finished restoring,  
which is 32 years old.
 
See'ya
 
Bill Miller.


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jul 21 16:12:01 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:12:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Exhaust valve cages.
References: <42DFF5C3.4040104@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <006201c58e49$b22345a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

The fit should be good enough for a meta to metal contact but, a bit of 
Neverseize is the go.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 5:21 AM
Subject: [SEL] Exhaust valve cages.


> It won't be long and I'll be bolting the exhaust valve cage into the Baker 
> Monitor and painting the engine. Hopefully Saturday morning.
> When putting one of these tapered valve cages in place is it customary to 
> use any kind of high temp. sealer/dope? Or is it just cast on cast?




From glenn.karch at gte.net  Thu Jul 21 18:50:20 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:50:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 3 HP Gade
Message-ID: <003901c58e5f$b9d04a80$68ff123f@oemcomputer>

Here's one for somebody.  I have an email from Minnestoa about a 3 HP Gade
engine that will be offered for sale by the daugter of the original owner.
There are 4 other engines too.  Contact me for details.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian



From dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul 21 19:35:16 2005
From: dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net (Doug Pfaff)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:35:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Interesting Tool
In-Reply-To: <006a01c58e13$1ae894a0$2e5c14d0@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <20050722023516.67570.qmail@web81202.mail.yahoo.com>

It's obviously a whatchamacallit.:)

--- "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net> wrote:

> Axle adjustment truss?
> 
> Steve Williams
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:56 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Interesting Tool
> 
> 
> >   We found this in spud heads FIL's shop.  Anyone
> want to take a guess
> at
> > it?  Not the rake:-)
> >
> >
>
http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556018qgDHpU
> >
> >   Warm in Mt.
> > Rick
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >
>
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jul 21 20:14:42 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:14:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IH Red Power Roundup (Show Lebanon TN.)
In-Reply-To: <ac.779d559d.30116fdd@aol.com>
References: <ac.779d559d.30116fdd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42E064A2.7030708@scrtc.com>

Bill,

    I'm there now.  Its about 95 miles south of me.  There aren't a lot 
of gas engines there (maybe 30 or so) but I've never seen so many 
Farmall and IH tractors in all my life.  I would bet there are a couple 
thousand, every model and design you can think of.  There are vehicle 
exhibits, antique IH cars, etc.  They have excellent, roomy show grounds 
and appear to be doing the show the right way.  Hope to see ya there!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



BillMil357 at aol.com wrote:

>Hey Men,
> 
>Are any of you going to the RPRU (Red Power Round Up) All antique IH Farm  
>equipment including IH Hit and Miss engines, my Grandson and I are going and  
>stay Fri. and Sat. and I am taking a Cub Cadet that I just finished restoring,  
>which is 32 years old.
> 
>See'ya
> 
>Bill Miller.
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From BillMil357 at aol.com  Thu Jul 21 20:57:40 2005
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:57:40 EDT
Subject: [SEL] IH Red Power Roundup (Show Lebanon TN.)
Message-ID: <b7.5c543419.3011c8b4@aol.com>

Hi Tommy,
 
I am glad you are there, it will be good to see you again, I only met you  
one time at the SIAM show a few years back. My 12 yr. old grandson and I are  
getting up at 5 AM tomorrow and heading out, we should be there around the  
middle of the morning.
 
See'ya,
 
Bill Miller


From gibsongus at myway.com  Thu Jul 21 22:45:14 2005
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 01:45:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] IH Red Power Roundup (Show Lebanon TN.)
Message-ID: <20050722054514.5744E398F@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 Judge Tom, did you see any B275s there???-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Thu 07/21, Judge Tommy Turner &lt; lcjudge at scrtc.com &gt; wrote:
From: Judge Tommy Turner [mailto: lcjudge at scrtc.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:14:42 -0400Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Red Power Roundup (Show Lebanon TN.)Bill,I'm there now. Its about 95 miles south of me. There aren't a lot of gas engines there (maybe 30 or so) but I've never seen so many Farmall and IH tractors in all my life. I would bet there are a couple thousand, every model and design you can think of. There are vehicle exhibits, antique IH cars, etc. They have excellent, roomy show grounds and appear to be doing the show the right way. Hope to see ya there!Tommy TurnerMagnolia, KYBillMil357 at aol.com wrote:&gt;Hey Men,&gt; &gt;Are any of you going to the RPRU (Red Power Round Up) All antique IH Farm &gt;equipment including IH Hit and Miss engines, my Grandson and I are going and &gt;stay Fri. and Sat. and I am taking a Cub Cadet that I just finished restoring, &gt;which is 32 years old.&gt; &gt;See'ya&gt; &gt;Bill 
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Jul 21 23:03:50 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 02:03:50 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Briggs & Stratton Model ZZ Status
Message-ID: <1f3.e1960e1.3011e646@aol.com>

Hi List,
After cleaning up the Briggs & Stratton Model ZZ, I was able to  find out why 
it wasn't able to run.  
First of all, the carburetor governor linkage had to be fabricated  since it 
was missing.  This was a challenge as there was no other engine  around to 
copy the assembly.  A linkage assembly was made from a piece  of welding rod and 
a large nail.  The welding rod was bent so that it  operation would not 
interfere with the shroud or carburetor housing.  The  nail became the hinge point 
for the welding rod linkage and was fastened to the  end of governor control 
rod.  The spring assembly that connects to the  other end of the governor 
control arm was also missing.  A new assembly was  made from a tension spring, 
cotter key, and a piece of welding rod.  The  spring assembly keeps the 
carburetor's valve plate in the open position.   Once the engine starts, the governor 
action causes this carburetor valve plate  to close via the carburetor governor 
linkage.  
Next, the shroud and flywheel were removed to gain access to  the magneto 
points.  The points were dressed with a file and a  new condenser was installed.  
The high tension spark plug wire was also  replaced.  The magneto shut off 
wire was gone and had to be replaced.  The gasoline tank was in good shape.  The 
only thing that  had to be done was to modify the fuel shut off valve with a 
"T" handle so it  could be operated without the use of a pair of pliers.  The 
fix was  simple.  A hole (sized for the "T" handle) was drilled in  the end of 
the valve and a piece of round material (welding rod) was  inserted.
The intake air oil bath filter was covered and caked with  dirt.  This 
assembly was cleaned and a couple of brackets had to be  welded.  New "O ring" seal 
and gaskets were used during the reinstallation  of the oil bath filter.
The muffler was fabricated from a piece of rectangular tubing and  half of a 
1" pipe coupling.  
This engine had not been operated for several years.   Therefore, when I got 
ready to start it, I decided to use an electric motor to  initially spin it.  
I installed a large diameter Vee belt pulley on the  engine's output shaft.  
First, the engine was spun with the spark plug removed to verify  that the 
magneto was working.  Next, a little starting fluid was into  the spark plug 
hole before the spark plug was  reinstalled.  Spinning the engine again, it fired 
and then  died as I hadn't poured any gasoline into the tank.
Then, about a quart of gasoline was poured into the gas tank, fuel  shut off 
valve was opened, and the engine was spun again with choke  closed.  The 
engine fired but was running very rough.  Adjusting the  idle valve on the 
carburetor, the engine began to operate a little  better. The engine continued to run 
rough as the RPM of the  engine was increased, .  A little adjustment of the 
high speed control  valve corrected some high RPM rough running condition.  
However,  readjusting both the idle and high speed back and forth corrected the 
rough  engine operating condition in both the idle and high RPM  conditions.
The engine can now be started with the pull rope.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Fri Jul 22 07:29:57 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:29:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Briggs & Stratton Model ZZ Status
In-Reply-To: <1f3.e1960e1.3011e646@aol.com>
References: <1f3.e1960e1.3011e646@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050722072907.01add450@mail.pennswoods.net>

OH WHAT WOULD WE DO WITH OUT WELDING RODS AND NAILS.
R Fink




At 02:03 AM 7/22/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi List,
>After cleaning up the Briggs & Stratton Model ZZ, I was able to  find out why
>it wasn't able to run.
>First of all, the carburetor governor linkage had to be fabricated  since it
>was missing.  This was a challenge as there was no other engine  around to
>copy the assembly.  A linkage assembly was made from a piece  of welding 
>rod and
>a large nail.  The welding rod was bent so that it  operation would not
>interfere with the shroud or carburetor housing.  The  nail became the 
>hinge point
>for the welding rod linkage and was fastened to the  end of governor control
>rod.  The spring assembly that connects to the  other end of the governor
>control arm was also missing.  A new assembly was  made from a tension 
>spring,
>cotter key, and a piece of welding rod.  The  spring assembly keeps the
>carburetor's valve plate in the open position.   Once the engine starts, 
>the governor
>action causes this carburetor valve plate  to close via the carburetor 
>governor
>linkage.
>Next, the shroud and flywheel were removed to gain access to  the magneto
>points.  The points were dressed with a file and a  new condenser was 
>installed.
>The high tension spark plug wire was also  replaced.  The magneto shut off
>wire was gone and had to be replaced.  The gasoline tank was in good 
>shape.  The
>only thing that  had to be done was to modify the fuel shut off valve with a
>"T" handle so it  could be operated without the use of a pair of pliers.  The
>fix was  simple.  A hole (sized for the "T" handle) was drilled in  the 
>end of
>the valve and a piece of round material (welding rod) was  inserted.
>The intake air oil bath filter was covered and caked with  dirt.  This
>assembly was cleaned and a couple of brackets had to be  welded.  New "O 
>ring" seal
>and gaskets were used during the reinstallation  of the oil bath filter.
>The muffler was fabricated from a piece of rectangular tubing and  half of a
>1" pipe coupling.
>This engine had not been operated for several years.   Therefore, when I got
>ready to start it, I decided to use an electric motor to  initially spin it.
>I installed a large diameter Vee belt pulley on the  engine's output shaft.
>First, the engine was spun with the spark plug removed to verify  that the
>magneto was working.  Next, a little starting fluid was into  the spark plug
>hole before the spark plug was  reinstalled.  Spinning the engine again, 
>it fired
>and then  died as I hadn't poured any gasoline into the tank.
>Then, about a quart of gasoline was poured into the gas tank, fuel  shut off
>valve was opened, and the engine was spun again with choke  closed.  The
>engine fired but was running very rough.  Adjusting the  idle valve on the
>carburetor, the engine began to operate a little  better. The engine 
>continued to run
>rough as the RPM of the  engine was increased, .  A little adjustment of the
>high speed control  valve corrected some high RPM rough running condition.
>However,  readjusting both the idle and high speed back and forth 
>corrected the
>rough  engine operating condition in both the idle and high RPM  conditions.
>The engine can now be started with the pull rope.
>
>Francis Maciel
>Santa Maria,  CA
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jul 22 04:57:20 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 05:57:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Briggs & Stratton Model ZZ Status
References: <1f3.e1960e1.3011e646@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1415A9A4665BA8D94CC14DBBC90@phx.gbl>

Good fer you Francis!!  Looks like you're getting a pretty good handle on 
those engines.  What's next?

RickinMt.




> Hi List,
> After cleaning up the Briggs & Stratton Model ZZ, I was able to  find out 
> why
> it wasn't able to run. 


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Jul 22 05:06:29 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:06:29 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Briggs & Stratton Model ZZ Status
Message-ID: <97.63cc0ecb.30123b45@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/22/2005 4:55:51 AM Pacific Standard Time,  
nancydick at pennswoods.net writes:

OH WHAT  WOULD WE DO WITH OUT WELDING RODS AND NAILS.


One thing that I have found out about this group, they seem to use  what ever 
is available to make do.  I am a good learner!  

Francis



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jul 22 05:10:05 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:10:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IH Red Power Roundup (Show Lebanon TN.)
In-Reply-To: <20050722054514.5744E398F@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20050722054514.5744E398F@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <42E0E21D.3070705@scrtc.com>

Gus,

    I don't remember but will try to look around today to see if there 
are any.  There is a BUNCH of red there and I would think there is a 
possibility there is one on the grounds.  If so, do you want me to snap 
a photo of it for you?

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




> Judge Tom, did you see any B275s there???-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- 
>  
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jul 22 05:34:58 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 06:34:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV7862FA717A4BB17D53384BBC90@phx.gbl>

  Howdy all again;

  Along with the rail bending tool, we picked up this pretty neat chainsaw. 
The chainbar rotates leaving the engine upright.  All we can find is a 
casting mark "Titan."

  Any info available on these man killers:-)) whew!!

http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556295pxakmC

RickinMt. 


From christison at coastalnet.com  Fri Jul 22 06:20:01 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:20:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
Message-ID: <410-22005752213201937@coastalnet.com>

Check out this page:
http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/GasbyManufacturer?OpenView&Start=117

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 7/22/2005 8:35:01 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
>
>   Howdy all again;
>
>   Along with the rail bending tool, we picked up this pretty neat
chainsaw. 
> The chainbar rotates leaving the engine upright.  All we can find is a 
> casting mark "Titan."
>
>   Any info available on these man killers:-)) whew!!
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556295pxakmC
>
> RickinMt. 





From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jul 22 06:53:49 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:53:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
References: <410-22005752213201937@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1886EA0B9A916CCFE8B50BBBC90@phx.gbl>

Thanx much, Ken...looks like it's a 40.  Wonder if 50:1 modern day mix would 
werk ok?  Little tweakin' and the ole girl might fire.

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Christison" <christison at coastalnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 7:20 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Titan chainsaw


> Check out this page:
> http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/GasbyManufacturer?OpenView&Start=117
>
> Ken
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 7/22/2005 8:35:01 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
> >
> >   Howdy all again;
> >
> >   Along with the rail bending tool, we picked up this pretty neat
> chainsaw.
> > The chainbar rotates leaving the engine upright.  All we can find is a
> > casting mark "Titan."
> >
> >   Any info available on these man killers:-)) whew!!
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556295pxakmC
> >
> > RickinMt.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jul 22 07:38:56 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:38:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV55095EA435228AA9C7DC5BBC90@phx.gbl>

  Thot everyone might like to know that today is Ted's Birthday.  Bet he'd 
like to get a birthday wish from us all.

email him at:

ignitors at sbcglobal.net

Hope he's doing WELL!!!

RickinMt. 


From solarrog at pacbell.net  Fri Jul 22 07:49:20 2005
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:49:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
References: <410-22005752213201937@coastalnet.com>
	<BAY5-DAV1886EA0B9A916CCFE8B50BBBC90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002a01c58ecc$907e3530$2f6b7343@D6R3D961>

I would 16 to 1 on that old saw. 50 to 1 is only good for the jeweled 
engines of today

Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate,
The Realty Experts
Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc
Collector of antique engines
Website; scrapologist.com
Ham Radio; KG6QKZ
Fremont,Ca
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Titan chainsaw


> Thanx much, Ken...looks like it's a 40.  Wonder if 50:1 modern day mix 
> would werk ok?  Little tweakin' and the ole girl might fire.
>
> Rick
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ken Christison" <christison at coastalnet.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 7:20 AM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
>
>
>> Check out this page:
>> http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/GasbyManufacturer?OpenView&Start=117
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>> > [Original Message]
>> > From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>> > To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> > Date: 7/22/2005 8:35:01 AM
>> > Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
>> >
>> >   Howdy all again;
>> >
>> >   Along with the rail bending tool, we picked up this pretty neat
>> chainsaw.
>> > The chainbar rotates leaving the engine upright.  All we can find is a
>> > casting mark "Titan."
>> >
>> >   Any info available on these man killers:-)) whew!!
>> >
>> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556295pxakmC
>> >
>> > RickinMt.
>>
>>
>>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jul 22 08:10:56 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:10:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy
References: <BAY5-DAV55095EA435228AA9C7DC5BBC90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <008501c58ecf$9136cf70$230110ac@PAUL>

It's done Richard. Thanks

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 9:38 AM
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy


>  Thot everyone might like to know that today is Ted's Birthday.  Bet he'd 
> like to get a birthday wish from us all.
> 



From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jul 22 08:15:22 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:15:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV55095EA435228AA9C7DC5BBC90@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV55095EA435228AA9C7DC5BBC90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1339.165.206.180.102.1122045322.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

I was actually thinking of Ted when I ran my Simplicity 1.5 at Waukee last
weekend - he made the mag trip support and mechanism and helped me when I
bought a bracket for it several years back.
Thanks to Ted it ran all weekend without a hitch and has a HOT mag.

Bill

>   Thot everyone might like to know that today is Ted's Birthday.  Bet he'd
> like to get a birthday wish from us all.
>
> email him at:
>
> ignitors at sbcglobal.net
>
> Hope he's doing WELL!!!
>
> RickinMt.
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From Jdragoset at galvotec.com  Fri Jul 22 11:21:52 2005
From: Jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:21:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV1886EA0B9A916CCFE8B50BBBC90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <LJENJGOEJJENFCJNAJBGOEOPDDAA.Jdragoset@galvotec.com>

Rick,
The spec sheet says 1.5 pints per gallon of fuel equals 5.3 to 1 ratio.
Seems like an awful lot of oil!
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard
Strobel
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 8:54 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Titan chainsaw


Thanx much, Ken...looks like it's a 40.  Wonder if 50:1 modern day mix would
werk ok?  Little tweakin' and the ole girl might fire.

Rick


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Christison" <christison at coastalnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 7:20 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Titan chainsaw


> Check out this page:
> http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/GasbyManufacturer?OpenView&Start=117
>
> Ken
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 7/22/2005 8:35:01 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
> >
> >   Howdy all again;
> >
> >   Along with the rail bending tool, we picked up this pretty neat
> chainsaw.
> > The chainbar rotates leaving the engine upright.  All we can find is a
> > casting mark "Titan."
> >
> >   Any info available on these man killers:-)) whew!!
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556295pxakmC
> >
> > RickinMt.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From bmvid at snet.net  Fri Jul 22 12:46:34 2005
From: bmvid at snet.net (Mick DeMaria)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:46:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV7862FA717A4BB17D53384BBC90@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV7862FA717A4BB17D53384BBC90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42E14D1A.6040809@snet.net>

  I got a Mall model 6 running last winter. The duel exhaust looks 
pretty cool! It ran good at 32:1 although we didn't work it very hard. 
The spec sheet says it has a chrome bore. Did they really have such a 
thing so long ago?
  It looked similar but not exactly like this link:
http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/ed1d619968136da688256af40002b8f7/15c4fb43d8f3f83288256af5000dc244?OpenDocument

  Mick


Richard Strobel wrote:
>   Howdy all again;
> 
>   Along with the rail bending tool, we picked up this pretty neat chainsaw. 
> The chainbar rotates leaving the engine upright.  All we can find is a 
> casting mark "Titan."
> 
>   Any info available on these man killers:-)) whew!!
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556295pxakmC
> 
> RickinMt. 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Jul 22 22:11:01 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:11:01
Subject: [SEL] Re: Interesting Tool (Peter Scales)
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050722221101.009da7a0@127.0.0.1>

Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:27:05 +0100
From: Peter Scales <peter at loud-n-clear.net>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting Tool

In message <BAY5-DAV21A91BDEA54130B7022726BBD60 at phx.gbl>, Richard 
Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> writes
>  We found this in spud heads FIL's shop.  Anyone want to take a guess at
>it?  
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556018qgDHpU


	It is an iron age boomerang invented in Zimbabwe (Africa) about 4000 years
ago. The heavy weight was required to bring down large animals like
elephants and rhinoceros. Once the animal was down the job was finished off
with a sharp pronged device like the one in the foreground of the picture. 
	Being an invention of African origin it had many flaws, the main one being
it's inability to return to the thrower if he missed the target. Legend has
it that on one such occasion one of them carried on going until it hit a
big rock in Australia. There it was found by an Aboriginal tribe who, being
far more intelligent than their African counterparts, developed one that
actually returned to the thrower. Another improvement that the Aboriginals
made was to fabricate it from wood (they had not learnt how to steal yet -
sorry I mean had not learnt to smelt steel yet.) as the kangaroos and the
like that they hunted did not need such a heavy boomerang to bring them down.

	The name "Boomerang" is actually of African origin (sorry Aus!!) and came
about from the noise an early victim heard when one hit him on the head by
mistake - "BOOM". So originally it was just known as a "BOOM". Later when
they trained monkeys to retrieve them these monkeys were called "Boom
orangatang's" and by natural progression the name was eventually corrupted
to Boomerang.
	
	I trust that this clears up the mystery of the "Interesting tool" and also
credits Africa as being the original inventors of the Boomerang, an idea
wrongly claimed by Australia as being theirs.

	



Best regards
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From rex002 at centurytel.net  Fri Jul 22 14:08:23 2005
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:08:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy
References: <BAY5-DAV55095EA435228AA9C7DC5BBC90@phx.gbl>
	<1339.165.206.180.102.1122045322.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <001301c58f01$81b92160$0201a8c0@mycomputer>

Hi Bill:

    Do you know the year your 1.5 simplicity was built ? My 1.5 has a
squared off back where the crank cover  would bolt on with two bolts , I
beleive it would have been made of tin , a while back I saw a 1.5
simplicity with a rounded back that has 4 bolts and most likly took a cast
crank cover , did they make more then one model 1.5 ? mine is a model U
serial # 1950 , I am running it on coil bat. but am thinking of putting it
back on mag if I can find all the parts. thanks

Rex

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy


> I was actually thinking of Ted when I ran my Simplicity 1.5 at Waukee last
> weekend - he made the mag trip support and mechanism and helped me when I
> bought a bracket for it several years back.
> Thanks to Ted it ran all weekend without a hitch and has a HOT mag.
>
> Bill
>
> >   Thot everyone might like to know that today is Ted's Birthday.  Bet
he'd
> > like to get a birthday wish from us all.
> >
> > email him at:
> >
> > ignitors at sbcglobal.net
> >
> > Hope he's doing WELL!!!
> >
> > RickinMt.
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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Fri Jul 22 16:00:15 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:00:15 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Interesting Tool
In-Reply-To: <20050722023516.67570.qmail@web81202.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050722023516.67570.qmail@web81202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42E17A7F.8060003@steamengine.com.au>

Looks like a bender of some kind - we use devices similar (but bigger) 
to bend the railway track to make curves.

Paul

Doug Pfaff wrote:
> It's obviously a whatchamacallit.:)
> 
> --- "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Axle adjustment truss?
>>
>>Steve Williams
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>>To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:56 AM
>>Subject: [SEL] Interesting Tool
>>
>>
>>
>>>  We found this in spud heads FIL's shop.  Anyone
>>
>>want to take a guess
>>at
>>
>>>it?  Not the rake:-)
>>>
>>>
>>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556018qgDHpU
> 
>>>  Warm in Mt.
>>>Rick
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jul 22 16:10:55 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:10:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Interesting Tool (Peter Scales)
References: <3.0.6.32.20050722221101.009da7a0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <019601c58f14$7e7daad0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

And while on the subject of Abbos, Do you know why they are called Boongs?
Thats the noise they make when ya hit em with a 4 wheel drive.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>



From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jul 22 09:00:32 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:00:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Briggs & Stratton Model ZZ Status
Message-ID: <20050722.224527.1004.4.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Francis

Glad you got the ZZ running.
And - I like the way you shared your experience with everyone.

Great Job !

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jul 22 20:11:15 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 23:11:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
Message-ID: <20050722.231236.1004.16.jlb94@juno.com>

Rick,
The spec sheet says 1.5 pints per gallon of fuel equals 5.3 to 1 ratio.
Seems like an awful lot of oil!
Jim
=        =        =        =        =        =        =        
And - YOU thought MAYTAGS smoke ?

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From gibsongus at myway.com  Fri Jul 22 21:43:58 2005
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 00:43:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] IH Red Power Roundup (Show Lebanon TN.)
Message-ID: <20050723044358.A48613A05@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 That would be nice, I own one that I'm restoring now and I guess that there arn't to many of them around thanks .gus-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Fri 07/22, Judge Tommy Turner &lt; lcjudge at scrtc.com &gt; wrote:
From: Judge Tommy Turner [mailto: lcjudge at scrtc.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:10:05 -0400Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Red Power Roundup (Show Lebanon TN.)Gus,I don't remember but will try to look around today to see if there are any. There is a BUNCH of red there and I would think there is a possibility there is one on the grounds. If so, do you want me to snap a photo of it for you?Tommy TurnerMagnolia, KY&gt; Judge Tom, did you see any B275s there???-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- &gt; &gt;_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Jul 22 15:29:40 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 06:29:40 +0800
Subject: [SEL] a contact in Denmark ?
Message-ID: <000201c58f5b$01cdfd40$b79381cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Does anyone know of a contact in Denmark . I have a piece of machinery ,made 
in Denmark . It appears to be something to do with sewing but probably for a 
specific purpose.
Thanks in advance..........
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sat Jul 23 01:04:27 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:04:27 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: Interesting Tool (Peter Scales)
References: <3.0.6.32.20050722221101.009da7a0@127.0.0.1>
	<019601c58f14$7e7daad0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <000901c58f5d$299f3f80$b79381cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Reg .....don't blame anyone but your self when the bone is pointed at you!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Interesting Tool (Peter Scales)


> And while on the subject of Abbos, Do you know why they are called Boongs?
> Thats the noise they make when ya hit em with a 4 wheel drive.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
>
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From segray at mlode.com  Fri Jul 22 12:45:43 2005
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:45:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV55095EA435228AA9C7DC5BBC90@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV55095EA435228AA9C7DC5BBC90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42E14CE7.8080803@mlode.com>

Thanks for the heads up, Rick! Ted's good people. He picked a good day 
for a B-Day, since I'm having mine today, too! :-)

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



Richard Strobel wrote:

>  Thot everyone might like to know that today is Ted's Birthday.  Bet he'd 
>like to get a birthday wish from us all.
>
>email him at:
>
>ignitors at sbcglobal.net
>
>Hope he's doing WELL!!!
>
>RickinMt. 
>_______________________________________________
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sat Jul 23 02:09:28 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:09:28 +0200
Subject: [SEL] a contact in Denmark ?
References: <000201c58f5b$01cdfd40$b79381cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <000701c58f66$3ea42c70$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Dave Croft has sofar I know.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl



> Does anyone know of a contact in Denmark . I have a piece of machinery ,made 
> in Denmark . It appears to be something to do with sewing but probably for a 
> specific purpose.
> Thanks in advance..........
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au 
> 
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Jul 23 03:02:43 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:02:43 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy
Message-ID: <072320051002.24137.42E215C30001F5C300005E4921979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Happy Birthday Ted and Steve and many more!
Curt Andree


> Thanks for the heads up, Rick! Ted's good people. He picked a good day 
> for a B-Day, since I'm having mine today, too! :-)
> 
> - Steve
> 
> -- 
> Steve Gray
> Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49
> Sonora, California USA
> e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
> Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
> 
> 
> 
> Richard Strobel wrote:
> 
> >  Thot everyone might like to know that today is Ted's Birthday.  Bet he'd 
> >like to get a birthday wish from us all.
> >
> >email him at:
> >
> >ignitors at sbcglobal.net
> >
> >Hope he's doing WELL!!!
> >
> >RickinMt. 
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Sat Jul 23 06:07:39 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 06:07:39 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Briggs & Stratton Model ZZ Status
In-Reply-To: <97.63cc0ecb.30123b45@aol.com>
References: <97.63cc0ecb.30123b45@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050723060621.01ad7ce0@mail.pennswoods.net>


>I say if it will work use it. And i sure like the ideas that some come up 
>with.

R Fink


>One thing that I have found out about this group, they seem to use  what ever
>is available to make do.  I am a good learner!
>
>Francis
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jul 23 03:27:02 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:27:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Interesting Tool (Peter Scales)
References: <3.0.6.32.20050722221101.009da7a0@127.0.0.1><019601c58f14$7e7daad0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<000901c58f5d$299f3f80$b79381cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <005901c58f71$2d890cc0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne"

> Reg .....don't blame anyone but your self when the bone is pointed at you!



I should worry!
Did ya hear about the bloke at the bodyshop with a wrecked car?
Owner said he hit an abbo.
"And it did all this damage?" said the repairer.
"Well, I had to go through four fences to get him!"

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sat Jul 23 03:40:16 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:40:16 +0800
Subject: [SEL] a contact in Denmark ?
References: <000201c58f5b$01cdfd40$b79381cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<000701c58f66$3ea42c70$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <002f01c58f72$ee43ed80$959681cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Thanks John .......Dave just rang me and we have had a good talk, great to 
get to speak on a personal basis.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] a contact in Denmark ?


> Dave Croft has sofar I know.
>
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>
>
>
>> Does anyone know of a contact in Denmark . I have a piece of machinery 
>> ,made
>> in Denmark . It appears to be something to do with sewing but probably 
>> for a
>> specific purpose.
>> Thanks in advance..........
>> Peter Ogborne
>> Little Grove ,Albany
>> West Australia
>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sat Jul 23 03:50:05 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 06:50:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
References: <BAY5-DAV7862FA717A4BB17D53384BBC90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <008a01c58f74$4a4ce9a0$15d34c0c@D48VHZ61>

I've got a small Titan like yours but haven't got it running yet. Our big 
one uses a mix of 1pt of 50wt oil to the gallon, smokes heavy until it gets 
warmed up. I personallly don't use oil mix diffrent from what the 
manufacturer says in any of our old saws. Most of the old saws ran a 1/2 pt 
of 30wt to the gallon. Mall's used 3//4 a pt I believe. Most of the time 
there is a tag somewhere on the saw that gives the oil/gas mix.

Titans were made in Washington state. The story related to me by someone 
from the west coast was that the factory went out of business many years ago 
and saw production/support was not sold off. Don't know how accurate the 
account is but the fellow knew more about the saws than anyone in my neck of 
the woods.

John Hall

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 8:34 AM
Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw


>  Howdy all again;
>
>  Along with the rail bending tool, we picked up this pretty neat chainsaw. 
> The chainbar rotates leaving the engine upright.  All we can find is a 
> casting mark "Titan."
>
>  Any info available on these man killers:-)) whew!!
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556295pxakmC
>
> RickinMt. 




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jul 23 04:26:45 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 07:26:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IH Red Power Roundup (Show Lebanon TN.)
In-Reply-To: <20050723044358.A48613A05@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20050723044358.A48613A05@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <42E22975.8000803@scrtc.com>

Gus,

    I looked the grounds over and didn't see one.  I asked a friend of 
mine who is a big IH collector if there was one on the grounds and he 
said yes, he had seen one.  He and I looked for quite a while but never 
could find it.  Either the person had left, was parading it around the 
grounds somewhere or possibly we just couldn't find it.  I don't know 
how many tractors were there (all red of course) but it covered acres 
and acres and was split up quite a bit.  I had to leave and return home 
but my friend said if he spotted it he would snap a photo and send it to 
me.  So, if I get it, I'll forward it to you.  For the engine 
collectors, there weren't a large number of engines there but as I said, 
I saw more red in a couple of days than I've seen in years.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Gus wrote:

> That would be nice, I own one that I'm restoring now and I guess that there arn't to many of them around thanks .gus-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Fri 07/22, Judge Tommy Turner &lt; lcjudge at scrtc.com &gt; wrote:
>From: Judge Tommy Turner [mailto: lcjudge at scrtc.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:10:05 -0400Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Red Power Roundup (Show Lebanon TN.)Gus,I don't remember but will try to look around today to see if there are any. There is a BUNCH of red there and I would think there is a possibility there is one on the grounds. If so, do you want me to snap a photo of it for you?Tommy TurnerMagnolia, KY&gt; Judge Tom, did you see any B275s there???-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- &gt; 
>  
>



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sat Jul 23 01:58:06 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:58:06 +0100
Subject: [SEL] a contact in Denmark ?
References: <000201c58f5b$01cdfd40$b79381cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <002e01c58f64$a549b5a0$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 11:29 PM
Subject: [SEL] a contact in Denmark ?


> Does anyone know of a contact in Denmark . I have a piece of machinery ,made 
> in Denmark . It appears to be something to do with sewing but probably for a 
> specific purpose.
> Thanks in advance..........
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au 

Hi Peter, I have contacts in Denmark. Can you supply me with a picture & details.
PS If anyone has any Danish engine Questions Iwill try to answer them.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jul 23 09:26:56 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:26:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
References: <BAY5-DAV7862FA717A4BB17D53384BBC90@phx.gbl>
	<008a01c58f74$4a4ce9a0$15d34c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV9C42CE42C1D8BA8652523BBC80@phx.gbl>

Couple days ago, I poured some lacquer thinner in the gas tank and drained 
it out yesterday. Using the carb drain, everything looked pretty clean so I 
pulled the plug and put some 2-cycle oil in the hole and pulled it thru a 
couple times.  The plug had excellent spark also.  Put everything back 
together and gave her a pull and she ran for about 3 seconds on the fumes. 
Will have to pull the carb and see why the float is stuck or whatever.

Thanks for the replies guys!!
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hall" <jthall at worldnet.att.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Titan chainsaw


> I've got a small Titan like yours but haven't got it running yet. Our big
> one uses a mix of 1pt of 50wt oil to the gallon, smokes heavy until it 
> gets
> warmed up. I personallly don't use oil mix diffrent from what the
> manufacturer says in any of our old saws. Most of the old saws ran a 1/2 
> pt
> of 30wt to the gallon. Mall's used 3//4 a pt I believe. Most of the time
> there is a tag somewhere on the saw that gives the oil/gas mix.
>
> Titans were made in Washington state. The story related to me by someone
> from the west coast was that the factory went out of business many years 
> ago
> and saw production/support was not sold off. Don't know how accurate the
> account is but the fellow knew more about the saws than anyone in my neck 
> of
> the woods.
>
> John Hall
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 8:34 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
>
>
> >  Howdy all again;
> >
> >  Along with the rail bending tool, we picked up this pretty neat 
> > chainsaw.
> > The chainbar rotates leaving the engine upright.  All we can find is a
> > casting mark "Titan."
> >
> >  Any info available on these man killers:-)) whew!!
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556295pxakmC
> >
> > RickinMt.
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jul 23 09:29:52 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:29:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re: Interesting Tool (Peter Scales)
References: <3.0.6.32.20050722221101.009da7a0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV399A1FED88CCB7202D56CBBC80@phx.gbl>

Hi Jerry;
  Your right!!! I threw it about 150 yards and it didn't come back..maybe I 
held it wrong

Whew
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 10:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] Re: Interesting Tool (Peter Scales)


> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:27:05 +0100
> From: Peter Scales <peter at loud-n-clear.net>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting Tool
>
> In message <BAY5-DAV21A91BDEA54130B7022726BBD60 at phx.gbl>, Richard
> Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> writes
> >  We found this in spud heads FIL's shop.  Anyone want to take a guess at
> >it?
> >
> >http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556018qgDHpU
>
>
> It is an iron age boomerang invented in Zimbabwe (Africa) about 4000 years
> ago. The heavy weight was required to bring down large animals like
> elephants and rhinoceros. Once the animal was down the job was finished 
> off
> with a sharp pronged device like the one in the foreground of the picture.
> Being an invention of African origin it had many flaws, the main one being
> it's inability to return to the thrower if he missed the target. Legend 
> has
> it that on one such occasion one of them carried on going until it hit a
> big rock in Australia. There it was found by an Aboriginal tribe who, 
> being
> far more intelligent than their African counterparts, developed one that
> actually returned to the thrower. Another improvement that the Aboriginals
> made was to fabricate it from wood (they had not learnt how to steal yet -
> sorry I mean had not learnt to smelt steel yet.) as the kangaroos and the
> like that they hunted did not need such a heavy boomerang to bring them 
> down.
>
> The name "Boomerang" is actually of African origin (sorry Aus!!) and came
> about from the noise an early victim heard when one hit him on the head by
> mistake - "BOOM". So originally it was just known as a "BOOM". Later when
> they trained monkeys to retrieve them these monkeys were called "Boom
> orangatang's" and by natural progression the name was eventually corrupted
> to Boomerang.
>
> I trust that this clears up the mystery of the "Interesting tool" and also
> credits Africa as being the original inventors of the Boomerang, an idea
> wrongly claimed by Australia as being theirs.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards
> Jerry Evans.
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jul 23 10:21:37 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:21:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wheel casting
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV21F23DBFDB65DE9CC19EC2BBC80@phx.gbl>

  Howdy again....very nice in Mt. this time of year..Spudhead told me 
yesterday the humidity was down to 8%...perfect recipe for forest fires and 
such:-(

  Anyway I got this cart the other day which I intend to mount my 3hp Gal. 
It's missing one correct wheel so I need to find another or have one made.

  This wheel looks like the round spokes were placed in a mold and then the 
hub and rim were poured around them.  There is no evidence of the spokes 
sticking thru on the rim face, nor any kind of welding.

  Does anyone have such a wheel and Rick R...can you duplicate this wheel??

http://community.webshots.com/photo/392994376/401476039NoVCKO


 thanks in anticipation!!!

RickinMt. 


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 23 10:32:43 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:32:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
In-Reply-To: <20050722.231236.1004.16.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20050723173243.18362.qmail@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


That is a very stiff mix.

Are they oiling the bar with the exhaust?????

--- jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

> Rick,
> The spec sheet says 1.5 pints per gallon of fuel equals 5.3 to 1 ratio.
> Seems like an awful lot of oil!
> Jim
> =        =        =        =        =        =        =        
> And - YOU thought MAYTAGS smoke ?
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
> jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>  ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
>  \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Jul 23 12:44:04 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:44:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Wheel casting
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV21F23DBFDB65DE9CC19EC2BBC80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200507231943.j6NJhv2C084036@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>



>   Anyway I got this cart the other day which I intend to 
> mount my 3hp Gal. 

> http://community.webshots.com/photo/392994376/401476039NoVCKO


Hi Rick,
That's a nice looking cart.  What's that contraption 
that's on the cart now?  It looks to be a machine 
for making birds' nests.   Was the flywheel made 
for that machine?  The picture doesn't show all the 
wording on the side.

Rob






From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jul 23 14:41:13 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:41:13 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wheel casting
References: <200507231943.j6NJhv2C084036@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV2300C49CCB0DD7E6A25158BBC80@phx.gbl>

Rob, we can only guess that this gizmo was a small home built log splitter 
or chopper of some kind.  We believe it's a flywheel off of a Eli hay baler. 
Great lettering cast into the side of the flywheel.  The PO installed a ring 
on the flywheel face and then welded two splitting wedges one behind the 
other?  The axle has a two piece large belt pulley on it and with reduction 
was driven by a small electric motor.  The axle base is also there and has 
bearing surfaces also which were not used in this contraption.

  So your guess is as good as mine:-)

later
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Wheel casting


>
>
> >   Anyway I got this cart the other day which I intend to
> > mount my 3hp Gal.
>
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/392994376/401476039NoVCKO
>
>
> Hi Rick,
> That's a nice looking cart.  What's that contraption
> that's on the cart now?  It looks to be a machine
> for making birds' nests.   Was the flywheel made
> for that machine?  The picture doesn't show all the
> wording on the side.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
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From lfevans at pacbell.net  Sat Jul 23 16:28:34 2005
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:28:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] What glue to use??
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050723162806.026c4a20@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

Hi.....

I'm working on modifying a three groove 21 inch diameter vee belt pulley so 
it will work with a flat belt.  I have some good condition vee belt that is 
a good fit to the grooves and plan on gluing the belting into the grooves 
to fill the voids.  The belting will stand just a little proud of the 
pulley and should give a good surface with lots of traction for the flat belt.

At the moment I plan on using either Weldwood Contact Cement or possibly 
Barge Cement (used to glue soles on shoes) as the glue.  Any thoughts as to 
what might be better?

Thanks,

Larry Evans
Arcadia, Southern California, USA
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Jul 23 17:10:41 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:10:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What glue to use??
Message-ID: <20050723.201108.876.4.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Larry,

I've often thought of doing the same thing but never had the need.

As for glueing - My experience with Contact Cement is that it lets go
under heat.
Sometimes belts can generate some serious heat if pulling a load.

I'm not familiar with Barge Cement but I think I  would go with it.
Or - Maybe - Some sort of epoxy.

Have you given any thought to a "crown" in the surface.  
"V" belts use different numbers for varying thickness.  Maybe a little
larger # on the center filler.

Keep us posted on how this works out for you.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From segray at mlode.com  Sat Jul 23 18:12:54 2005
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:12:54 -0700
Subject: OT  [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy
In-Reply-To: <072320051002.24137.42E215C30001F5C300005E4921979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <072320051002.24137.42E215C30001F5C300005E4921979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <42E2EB16.1020005@mlode.com>

Sorry for the excess List bandwidth here. My ISP apparently is blocked 
from Curt's (550 Error).
Many thanks, Curt! It's next year that's gonna hurt! 5-0  =-O

- Steve

-- 
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Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

>Happy Birthday Ted and Steve and many more!
>Curt Andree
>  
>
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>




From falcon at telenet.net  Sat Jul 23 18:18:10 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:18:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What glue to use??
References: <20050723.201108.876.4.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <003101c58fed$8fd2b8a0$111117d1@net.telenet.net>

Not sure how glue would hold up under the belt.
How about gluing them in and then drilling some small holes across the
belts and sheaves in line with the pulley bore and installing some pins
through the grooves and belts to lock them in place.

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown, New York

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] What glue to use??


> Hi Larry,
>
> I've often thought of doing the same thing but never had the need.
>
> As for glueing - My experience with Contact Cement is that it lets go
> under heat.
> Sometimes belts can generate some serious heat if pulling a load.
>
> I'm not familiar with Barge Cement but I think I  would go with it.
> Or - Maybe - Some sort of epoxy.
>
> Have you given any thought to a "crown" in the surface.
> "V" belts use different numbers for varying thickness.  Maybe a little
> larger # on the center filler.
>
> Keep us posted on how this works out for you.
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>  ,-._,-.         "What I can do,
>  \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jul 23 18:22:45 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D HASKELL)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:22:45 -0700
Subject: [SEL] What glue to use??
Message-ID: <20050723.182245.2996.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Larry.
In the past many list members recommended shoe goo as sticking just about
anything together.
Ron Haskell

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:28:34 -0700 Larry Evans <lfevans at pacbell.net>
writes:
> Hi.....
> 
> I'm working on modifying a three groove 21 inch diameter vee belt 
> pulley so 
> it will work with a flat belt.  I have some good condition vee belt 
> that is 
> a good fit to the grooves and plan on gluing the belting into the 
> grooves 
> to fill the voids.  The belting will stand just a little proud of 
> the 
> pulley and should give a good surface with lots of traction for the 
> flat belt.
> 
> At the moment I plan on using either Weldwood Contact Cement or 
> possibly 
> Barge Cement (used to glue soles on shoes) as the glue.  Any 
> thoughts as to 
> what might be better?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Larry Evans
> Arcadia, Southern California, USA
> MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 


From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 23 18:46:33 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:46:33 -0600
Subject: OT  [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy
In-Reply-To: <42E2EB16.1020005@mlode.com>
References: <072320051002.24137.42E215C30001F5C300005E4921979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<42E2EB16.1020005@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <42E2F2F9.30201@earthlink.net>

Had that one last year. Ain't so bad when you consider the alternative. 
Looking forward to 51, 52, etc.

Jeff

Steve Gray wrote:

> Sorry for the excess List bandwidth here. My ISP apparently is blocked 
> from Curt's (550 Error).
> Many thanks, Curt! It's next year that's gonna hurt! 5-0  =-O
>
> - Steve
>



From yostsw at atis.net  Sat Jul 23 19:45:42 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:45:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland and a couple of things
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>

Things have been really hectic here in Pfafftown......

A few months ago a couple of really serious medical/family problems cropped
up in my family (not Denise or the kids ).  That and some work I have been
doing am doing out of town since February means I am spending virtually all
my time away from the house.  What little time I have is spent with home
maintenance or hay.   I mention this because I want you folks to know that
I am not going to make Portland.   My mom needs a little R&R from the
issues I mentioned above, so Denise and I are taking her to the beach the
week before Portland.  Also, my son was invited to some free trout fishing
out west (his best friend since age 14 is a guide) and he invited me to go
along.  My son is 23 years old, graduated, on his own and is really
beginning to get too  busy for his own good.   I figure I better jump at
this chance while I still can.  Anyway, that is the week after Portland.
My daughter returns to college that Monday of the Portland show week.
Because of all this, and the fact I just can't afford to have 3 weeks of
non-billable time back to back, I will have to miss Portland.

Secondly, a special thanks to Dave Rotigel and Brice Adams for listening
and just being aware of my situation and being ready to help if needed over
the last 4 months.

Third:  The last of charity auction proceeds arrived about the time some of
these issues cropped up in late April.   Dave was going to help distribute
the auction proceeds, but then my schedule looked liked it was going to
clear so I didn't mail the stuff to him.   Unfortunately, that calm spell
was the eye of the storm and I never got around to sending it too him.  I
am now returning to the auction project and would like to get this wrapped
up.  A few months ago, the charity auction participants asked me to
cordially invite all ATIS users at large to participate in, and make
recommendations for, the proceeds of the charity auction.   Toward this
end, I have assembled a little poll for us to use for voting.   Here is the
link:

http://www.antique-tractor.com/index.php

I have a few "test" nominations on there.  THESE ARE NOT th actual
nominations.  Before voting, feel free to email me with your nominations.
To vote, you MUST create a user account.  Both the voting and the user
account creation are on the right hand side of the screen.

BTW, with everything going on, I did manage get a chance to take a 2
day/1215 mile Father-Daughter road trip with Elisha last weekend and caught
up with the Dotsons at Plain City and saw Brice on Sunday.  Missed Steve,
George and the rest at Plain City because of the weather (most wise folks
stayed away after Friday's deluge).  By the way THANKS BARB for the
Spaghetti.  Oh - Elisha says "Hi" to the Plain City Folks.

To the SEL and AT list members in England - You have my warmest thoughts
and my sincerest best wishes as you cope with the recent bombings.   Please
do not hesitate to contact me if I or ATIS can help.



From lfevans at pacbell.net  Sat Jul 23 20:03:53 2005
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:03:53 -0700
Subject: [SEL] What glue to use??
In-Reply-To: <003101c58fed$8fd2b8a0$111117d1@net.telenet.net>
References: <20050723.201108.876.4.jlb94@juno.com>
	<003101c58fed$8fd2b8a0$111117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050723194419.027bb508@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

At 06:18 PM 7/23/2005, you wrote:
>Not sure how glue would hold up under the belt.
>How about gluing them in and then drilling some small holes across the
>belts and sheaves in line with the pulley bore and installing some pins
>through the grooves and belts to lock them in place.
>
>Steve Williams
>Near Cooperstown, New York

Steve,

I suspect that the glue will do a pretty good job of holding but if the 
ends start to come loose I had already thought of drilling through the belt 
down into the bottom of the groove and then tap the hole in the metal and 
use a flathead machine screw slightly countersunk to hold the ends down.  I 
also am planning on staggering the ends of the belting by 120 degrees so 
that if I did have to drill holes they would not be concentrated in one 
area and cause a potential weak spot.  I hadn't considered your idea of 
pins through the sides of the sheaves but will definitely keep it in mind.

Regards,

Larry Evans
Arcadia, Southern California, USA
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sat Jul 23 20:09:19 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:09:19 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Another Maytag lives in Australia
Message-ID: <42E3065F.70003@steamengine.com.au>

Yesterday I got the Maytag 92M I brought home from the states a few 
years ago running just in time for its first showing next weekend. I 
have updated the restoration story with the put it back together 
commentary and some pictures of the almost finished engine. A few 
cosmetic things to do before next weekend, but nothing hard. It is 
running nicely - even cleanly (for a Maytag :).

Thanks to Maytag Mark Shulaw for a really responsive action on meeting 
my parts needs - I recommend Mark highly if you're in need of something.

Scroll down for the latest part of the story.
http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/maytag/index.html

Regards
Paul
-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


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From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 23 20:41:17 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:41:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re: Another Maytag lives in Australia
In-Reply-To: <42E3065F.70003@steamengine.com.au>
References: <42E3065F.70003@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <42E30DDD.5070904@earthlink.net>


Wow Paul,

I have a couple of stuck Maytags here. Think I'll try your method cause 
what I'm doing don't work. Very nice presentation and another running 
Maytag. Rotigel hosed you, but it was for a good cause. Glad to see it 
up and running.

Jeff Allen

Paul Pavlinovich wrote:

> Yesterday I got the Maytag 92M I brought home from the states a few 
> years ago running just in time for its first showing next weekend. I 
> have updated the restoration story with the put it back together 
> commentary and some pictures of the almost finished engine. A few 
> cosmetic things to do before next weekend, but nothing hard. It is 
> running nicely - even cleanly (for a Maytag :).
>
> Thanks to Maytag Mark Shulaw for a really responsive action on meeting 
> my parts needs - I recommend Mark highly if you're in need of something.
>
> Scroll down for the latest part of the story.
> http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/maytag/index.html
>
> Regards
> Paul




From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 23 20:56:00 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:56:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Portland and a couple of things
In-Reply-To: <200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <42E31150.5060302@earthlink.net>

Hi Spencer,

Been goin down some hard roads myself lately. I tried to sign on and it 
didn't work, so here is my vote on this list. Childrens Hospital in 
Denver, Colorado for a small share of the money. Walk in and see your 
one year old grandaughter after open heart surgery. I did some years ago 
and they always have a donation from me each year. Nuff said. Wishing 
you the best and thanks for what you do.

Jeff Allen

Spencer Yost wrote:

>Things have been really hectic here in Pfafftown......
>
>A few months ago a couple of really serious medical/family problems cropped
>up in my family (not Denise or the kids ).  That and some work I have been
>doing am doing out of town since February means I am spending virtually all
>my time away from the house.  What little time I have is spent with home
>maintenance or hay.   I mention this because I want you folks to know that
>I am not going to make Portland.   My mom needs a little R&R from the
>issues I mentioned above, so Denise and I are taking her to the beach the
>week before Portland.  Also, my son was invited to some free trout fishing
>out west (his best friend since age 14 is a guide) and he invited me to go
>along.  My son is 23 years old, graduated, on his own and is really
>beginning to get too  busy for his own good.   I figure I better jump at
>this chance while I still can.  Anyway, that is the week after Portland.
>My daughter returns to college that Monday of the Portland show week.
>Because of all this, and the fact I just can't afford to have 3 weeks of
>non-billable time back to back, I will have to miss Portland.
>
>Secondly, a special thanks to Dave Rotigel and Brice Adams for listening
>and just being aware of my situation and being ready to help if needed over
>the last 4 months.
>
>Third:  The last of charity auction proceeds arrived about the time some of
>these issues cropped up in late April.   Dave was going to help distribute
>the auction proceeds, but then my schedule looked liked it was going to
>clear so I didn't mail the stuff to him.   Unfortunately, that calm spell
>was the eye of the storm and I never got around to sending it too him.  I
>am now returning to the auction project and would like to get this wrapped
>up.  A few months ago, the charity auction participants asked me to
>cordially invite all ATIS users at large to participate in, and make
>recommendations for, the proceeds of the charity auction.   Toward this
>end, I have assembled a little poll for us to use for voting.   Here is the
>link:
>
>http://www.antique-tractor.com/index.php
>
>I have a few "test" nominations on there.  THESE ARE NOT th actual
>nominations.  Before voting, feel free to email me with your nominations.
>To vote, you MUST create a user account.  Both the voting and the user
>account creation are on the right hand side of the screen.
>
>BTW, with everything going on, I did manage get a chance to take a 2
>day/1215 mile Father-Daughter road trip with Elisha last weekend and caught
>up with the Dotsons at Plain City and saw Brice on Sunday.  Missed Steve,
>George and the rest at Plain City because of the weather (most wise folks
>stayed away after Friday's deluge).  By the way THANKS BARB for the
>Spaghetti.  Oh - Elisha says "Hi" to the Plain City Folks.
>
>To the SEL and AT list members in England - You have my warmest thoughts
>and my sincerest best wishes as you cope with the recent bombings.   Please
>do not hesitate to contact me if I or ATIS can help.
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Jul 23 20:55:46 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:55:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Engine transport from Oklahoma to Portland
Message-ID: <200507240355.j6O3tdUX026194@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi kids,
I just got an email from Alec Stevens.  He can't send messages to the list from
home, so he's asked me to convey his request.  
 
Alec just bought an engine on ebay, a 2 1/4 horse Galloway, that is in Piedmont,
Oklahoma.  It's on wheels.  Can anyone pick it up on their way to Portland?  
 
If you can help out, respond here or email Alec directly at 
1lunger at maine.rr.com
 
The engine can be seen at 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7530674851>
&rd=1&item=7530674851
 
 
=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com <http://www.rustyiron.com/>  
 


From guitronics at comcast.net  Sat Jul 23 21:20:49 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:20:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What glue to use??
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050723162806.026c4a20@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>
References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050723162806.026c4a20@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42E31721.3000602@comcast.net>

I have a couple of different ideas on what to use for gluing the v-belts 
in the grooves around the circumference of the pulley.

1: First, let me say that the idea of gluing v-belts into pulley 
grooves, in order to use a flat belt is absolute genius! I love the 
idea. Are you going to use the common auto/light truck "MicroGroove" 
belt? I've read that they are supremely durable,and get the most common 
size by going to a junkyard and getting one off an old Chevy.The most 
popular size belts cost the least. Do a google for "Gates Drive Belts" 
and see what their equivalent stock number is....I hear they make the 
best serpentine belts.

2:My first choice for glue is "JB Weld"....it has metal (Steel?) 
Particles suspended in it, it's some sort of epoxy,I've used it to fix 
leaking Gas tanks on cars. Just make sure you wait at least the 
recommended time or more before putting on that flat belt.

You can get large tubes of this 2-part glue at Sam's,Costco,and Home 
depot....cost is about $2 to $3 .

3: There's a poly-urethane glue out called "Gorilla Glue"....it's plenty 
strong, but it is quite expensive....also once it is opened, if you 
don't seal the nozzle back right away the whole thing will harden. 
Moisture in the air cures it.There's also the same type of glue made by 
Elmer's   (The old 'glue-all' product)  called "Ultimate glue" that 
costs a little less than the Gorilla.

If it were me, I'd take the  V belt(s)  and  the pulley and (Outside!) 
wipe them down with Lacquer thinner, Acetone, or Mineral spirits; let dry.

Then I'd scuff up the belts on the "V" side, and the pulleys a bit, too.

I'd cut the "V" belt at a 45 degree angle,put a small spot of "Crazy 
Glue" on the belt inner side, and press it into the pulley until it 
holds.Then I'd Put JB Weld on the rest of the groove(s) with a small 
brush, and put the belt under tension and roll it around until it meets 
the beginning.Cut it off a bit large, then progressively smaller until 
you get a good fit.

Then I'd duct-tape the whole "V" until it sat for the required time.
I'd do one "V" at a time.

Once cured, good luck getting the "V" Belts off!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Larry Evans wrote:

> Hi.....
>
> I'm working on modifying a three groove 21 inch diameter vee belt 
> pulley so it will work with a flat belt.  I have some good condition 
> vee belt that is a good fit to the grooves and plan on gluing the 
> belting into the grooves to fill the voids.  The belting will stand 
> just a little proud of the pulley and should give a good surface with 
> lots of traction for the flat belt.
>
> At the moment I plan on using either Weldwood Contact Cement or 
> possibly Barge Cement (used to glue soles on shoes) as the glue.  Any 
> thoughts as to what might be better?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Larry Evans
> Arcadia, Southern California, USA
> MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 24 00:17:06 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:17:06 +0100
Subject: OT [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy
In-Reply-To: <42E2F2F9.30201@earthlink.net>
References: <072320051002.24137.42E215C30001F5C300005E4921979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<42E2EB16.1020005@mlode.com> <42E2F2F9.30201@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160507240017349cf4ac@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/24/05, Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Had that one last year. Ain't so bad when you consider the alternative.
> Looking forward to 51, 52, etc.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> Steve Gray wrote:
> 
> > Sorry for the excess List bandwidth here. My ISP apparently is blocked
> > from Curt's (550 Error).
> > Many thanks, Curt! It's next year that's gonna hurt! 5-0  =-O
> >
> > - Steve
> >

Youngsters! :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 24 00:20:46 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:20:46 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland and a couple of things
In-Reply-To: <200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160507240020641d8163@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/24/05, Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:
> Things have been really hectic here in Pfafftown......
> 
> A few months ago a couple of really serious medical/family problems cropped
> up in my family (not Denise or the kids ).  That and some work I have been
> doing am doing out of town since February means I am spending virtually all
> my time away from the house.  What little time I have is spent with home
> maintenance or hay.   I mention this because I want you folks to know that
> I am not going to make Portland.   

<snipped>

Really sorry that we won't see you this year, Spencer. Hope you get
everything sorted out OK, and you should know that we ALL appreciate
what you do for the hobby and engine folks.

Peter & Rita
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Jul 24 00:56:47 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:56:47 +1000
Subject: [SEL] What glue to use??
References: <20050723.201108.876.4.jlb94@juno.com><003101c58fed$8fd2b8a0$111117d1@net.telenet.net>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20050723194419.027bb508@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <013301c59025$409feea0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I like the idea of a holding screw each side of the join. Better safe than 
sorry!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Evans" <lfevans at pacbell.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] What glue to use??


> At 06:18 PM 7/23/2005, you wrote:
>>Not sure how glue would hold up under the belt.
>>How about gluing them in and then drilling some small holes across the
>>belts and sheaves in line with the pulley bore and installing some pins
>>through the grooves and belts to lock them in place.
>>
>>Steve Williams
>>Near Cooperstown, New York
>
> Steve,
>
> I suspect that the glue will do a pretty good job of holding but if the 
> ends start to come loose I had already thought of drilling through the 
> belt down into the bottom of the groove and then tap the hole in the metal 
> and use a flathead machine screw slightly countersunk to hold the ends 
> down.  I also am planning on staggering the ends of the belting by 120 
> degrees so that if I did have to drill holes they would not be 
> concentrated in one area and cause a potential weak spot.  I hadn't 
> considered your idea of pins through the sides of the sheaves but will 
> definitely keep it in mind.
>
> Regards,
>
> Larry Evans
> Arcadia, Southern California, USA
> MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Jul 24 01:09:43 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:09:43 +1000
Subject: OT [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy
References: <072320051002.24137.42E215C30001F5C300005E4921979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com><42E2EB16.1020005@mlode.com>
	<42E2F2F9.30201@earthlink.net>
	<6f6025160507240017349cf4ac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <015c01c59027$110769f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

You were saying??
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: OT [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy


> On 7/24/05, Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Had that one last year. Ain't so bad when you consider the alternative.
>> Looking forward to 51, 52, etc.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> Steve Gray wrote:
>> 
>> > Sorry for the excess List bandwidth here. My ISP apparently is blocked
>> > from Curt's (550 Error).
>> > Many thanks, Curt! It's next year that's gonna hurt! 5-0  =-O
>> >
>> > - Steve
>> >
> 
> Youngsters! :-))
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 24 01:58:10 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:58:10 +0100
Subject: OT [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy
In-Reply-To: <015c01c59027$110769f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <072320051002.24137.42E215C30001F5C300005E4921979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<42E2EB16.1020005@mlode.com> <42E2F2F9.30201@earthlink.net>
	<6f6025160507240017349cf4ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<015c01c59027$110769f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <6f60251605072401583ac61a56@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/24/05, R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
> You were saying??
> Reg & Marg Ingold.

I think I'm nearer thee than they.... :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Jul 24 03:18:06 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:18:06 +1000
Subject: OT [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy
References: <072320051002.24137.42E215C30001F5C300005E4921979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com><42E2EB16.1020005@mlode.com>
	<42E2F2F9.30201@earthlink.net><6f6025160507240017349cf4ac@mail.gmail.com><015c01c59027$110769f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<6f60251605072401583ac61a56@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01b001c59038$ff0ae6c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Yes but, sadly, I am leadin the pack!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: OT [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy


> On 7/24/05, R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
>> You were saying??
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> 
> I think I'm nearer thee than they.... :-))
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jul 24 05:56:46 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:56:46 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Interesting Tool
Message-ID: <12a.61d96c89.3014ea0e@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/21/2005 11:00:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net writes:

<< It's obviously a whatchamacallit.:) >>


I am more inclined to think it is a manually operated fludacrance.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jul 24 11:02:08 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:02:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] oil slinging Witte
Message-ID: <008c01c59079$cfc3ded0$a6d64c0c@D48VHZ61>

The 3hp Witte I've been working on off and on for over a year now appears to 
be ready for  paint. Runs and cranks great. I ran it for over 2 hours 
yesterday at full throttle and the only problem I am finding is it likes to 
sling oil on the mag side flywheel. This is a late model engine with an 
enclosed crankcase. The oil is getting onto the crankshaft and coming 
through the timing gear cover. As best as I can tell there is no way to put 
a seal there as there is a keyway involved. I don't know if I have the 
engine too full of oil and it is oiling the gear train too heavily through 
the crankcase breather or if this engine was just designed to sling oil. Any 
thoughts/ideas?

John Hall 




From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sat Jul 23 14:53:46 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:53:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <01ad01c58fd1$0056ea00$546ea618@pengy>

test

From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 24 13:36:41 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:36:41 +0100
Subject: [SEL] test
In-Reply-To: <01ad01c58fd1$0056ea00$546ea618@pengy>
References: <01ad01c58fd1$0056ea00$546ea618@pengy>
Message-ID: <6f60251605072413367a0e173@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/23/05, Rick Rowlands <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com> wrote:
> test
>

It's working OK, Rick, just everyone is busy with other things...:-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From yostsw at atis.net  Sun Jul 24 14:34:05 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:34:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: [AT] Portland and a couple of things
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200507241433520562.1821EC47@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200507241734050125.18C6E8D9@heavyiron.atis.net>

>up.  A few months ago, the charity auction participants asked me to
>cordially invite all ATIS users at large to participate in, and make
>recommendations for, the proceeds of the charity auction.   Toward this
>end, I have assembled a little poll for us to use for voting.   Here is
the
>link:
>
>http://www.antique-tractor.com/index.php
>

Thanks for all the kind words - I appreciate it.

Some folks have had trouble adding themselves as a user to the site to see
the charity auction poll.   I have corrected those problems and you should
be able to see that security code field.

Please email those nominations to you

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net




From rex002 at centurytel.net  Sun Jul 24 16:11:32 2005
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:11:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Happy Late B-Day
Message-ID: <000701c590a5$0a6916b0$0201a8c0@mycomputer>

Hi List:

       I sent Ted a Late Birthday wish and this was his reply, I don't know
if it went out to the list so I'm sending out a copy ,

Rex Hinz

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Ted Brookover" <ignitors at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: Happy Late B-Day


> Hi everyone, please forgive the "form letter", but there are a lot of
wishes
> to return . J
>
> Thanks for the birthday wishes !
>
> I'm doing the best I can for the shape I am in, I am still pretty much
> confined to a wheel chair, it's not that I can't walk, but it's best I
don't
> and when I try to walk, I can't go far or for very long.
>
> The battle with the diabetic toe has finally gone where we always knew it
> would, it will be removed on 4 Aug. . It will not be missed , I have not
had
> any feeling in my lower legs for 15 years and have long lost any sense of
> balance through my feet, I have to shampoo my head with one eye open or
stay
> in contact with the wall, or risk a fall.
>
>
>
> I have found a young (32) man from our local club that is interested in
> becoming the next "Ignitor Man". His name is Don Miller, and lives in
> Independence Missouri, he comes to my shop a couple of days a week and we
> work on the jobs that have been stalled here for the past 18 months. We
are
> getting some work out, but are not seeking any new orders at this time. I
am
> pleased that I have someone to "pass on to" what I have picked up about
> magnetos and ignitors, it would be a shame if the knowledge was lost, and
> the hobby needs not to loose a source for ignitors.
>
> Well, thanks again, all the best !
>
> Ted Brookover
> 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
> Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
> 816-763-3142
> ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
> Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm
>
> This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus
>
>
>
>




From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Jul 24 19:40:31 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:40:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] oil slinging Witte
Message-ID: <20050724.224254.880.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi John,

Only thoughts I have:    I have a Stover CT-1 enclosed crank.

Slings oil from the Mag side.  Comes out the corners where the gaskets
meet.
Also comes out the bearing cap.  

Tried several times to seal it tight.

Can't.

No matter what I do - Seems to leak.

My Advice - - - Let it leak.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sat Jul 23 14:57:52 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:57:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Wheel casting
References: <BAY5-DAV21F23DBFDB65DE9CC19EC2BBC80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <01c101c58fd1$930a9bd0$546ea618@pengy>

Yep I can make one of them with the inserted spokes.  I would make it just
like any other spoked wheel. Ram up the mold then place steel rods for the
spokes.  Probably deform the ends of the rods to help them knit with the
iron.  Then pour the rim, let it cool and then pour the hub.

Let me know if you need one Rick.

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 1:21 PM
Subject: [SEL] Wheel casting


>  Howdy again....very nice in Mt. this time of year..Spudhead told me 
> yesterday the humidity was down to 8%...perfect recipe for forest fires 
> and such:-(
>
>  Anyway I got this cart the other day which I intend to mount my 3hp Gal. 
> It's missing one correct wheel so I need to find another or have one made.
>
>  This wheel looks like the round spokes were placed in a mold and then the 
> hub and rim were poured around them.  There is no evidence of the spokes 
> sticking thru on the rim face, nor any kind of welding.
>
>  Does anyone have such a wheel and Rick R...can you duplicate this wheel??
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/392994376/401476039NoVCKO
>
>
> thanks in anticipation!!!
>
> RickinMt. _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sun Jul 24 16:17:48 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:17:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <01ad01c58fd1$0056ea00$546ea618@pengy>
	<6f60251605072413367a0e173@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c590a5$e81c9cc0$546ea618@pengy>

Actually I just moved and I was having trouble sending out emails so I sent 
the test to make sure that I could send and recieve.

Thanks

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test


> On 7/23/05, Rick Rowlands <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com> wrote:
>> test
>>
>
> It's working OK, Rick, just everyone is busy with other things...:-))
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 02:12:12 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:12:12 +0100
Subject: [SEL] test
In-Reply-To: <003a01c590a5$e81c9cc0$546ea618@pengy>
References: <01ad01c58fd1$0056ea00$546ea618@pengy>
	<6f60251605072413367a0e173@mail.gmail.com>
	<003a01c590a5$e81c9cc0$546ea618@pengy>
Message-ID: <6f60251605072502121e1a664a@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/25/05, Rick Rowlands <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com> wrote:
> Actually I just moved and I was having trouble sending out emails so I sent
> the test to make sure that I could send and recieve.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Rick
> 

Can you get DSL at your new place?  well worth having if you can get it :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Jul 25 11:50:44 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:50:44
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
Message-ID: <20050725120146.SM00880@new>

Hi List,
	Are we all insane or is it just me ??

	Last night I worked until 3.00 am in the cold of winter in my unheated
workshop, restoring an old fire extinguisher cannister that cost me less
than US$0.50 at a scrapyard. It was rotten, dented and had holes in it. I
had it sandblasted, welded the holes closed, fixed the dents and brazed 2
brass sockets into it. So far it has taken me about 6 hours and I have not
even got a coat of primer on it yet! 

	Oh yes - that 6 hours does not include the 4 hours spent before the
sandblasting when I copied the label and drew it on a graphics programme so
that I can have a new one printed when I am finished.

	Why, you may ask? Well it is an old one made in England in the 1950's and
is made with rivets and solder - not like the new ones that are all welded.
It is destined to be the water tank on the Ruston & Hornsby PT that I have
nearly finished restoring and has to go to a show on Saturday.

	I am also making a "toolbox"  (with dovetailed joints) from Oregon Pine
that it will mount on. This Oregon Pine has a history as well. In the 80's
I was doing building renovations and I replaced the oregon floor  in an old
building in central Johannesburg. The building dated to the early 1900's. I
used some of this wood in a ceiling in my house but subsequently removed
some of it and it is this wood I'm using for the toolbox. So it is over 100
years old and into it's third life now.

	I will put up pics in a few days when it is all finished.










Best regards
Jerry Evans.
Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery

Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery   ----- The lower cost Data Recovery
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Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191
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Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa






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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Jul 25 03:30:56 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:30:56 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
References: <20050725120146.SM00880@new>
Message-ID: <001101c59103$f5b73080$ae9f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Now i understand how you came by the theory of Boomerangs............you are 
mad !
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 11:50 AM
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??


> Hi List,
> Are we all insane or is it just me ??
>
> Last night I worked until 3.00 am in the cold of winter in my unheated
> workshop, restoring an old fire extinguisher cannister that cost me less
> than US$0.50 at a scrapyard. It was rotten, dented and had holes in it. I
> had it sandblasted, welded the holes closed, fixed the dents and brazed 2
> brass sockets into it. So far it has taken me about 6 hours and I have not
> even got a coat of primer on it yet!
>
> Oh yes - that 6 hours does not include the 4 hours spent before the
> sandblasting when I copied the label and drew it on a graphics programme 
> so
> that I can have a new one printed when I am finished.
>
> Why, you may ask? Well it is an old one made in England in the 1950's and
> is made with rivets and solder - not like the new ones that are all 
> welded.
> It is destined to be the water tank on the Ruston & Hornsby PT that I have
> nearly finished restoring and has to go to a show on Saturday.
>
> I am also making a "toolbox"  (with dovetailed joints) from Oregon Pine
> that it will mount on. This Oregon Pine has a history as well. In the 80's
> I was doing building renovations and I replaced the oregon floor  in an 
> old
> building in central Johannesburg. The building dated to the early 1900's. 
> I
> used some of this wood in a ceiling in my house but subsequently removed
> some of it and it is this wood I'm using for the toolbox. So it is over 
> 100
> years old and into it's third life now.
>
> I will put up pics in a few days when it is all finished.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards
> Jerry Evans.
> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery
>
> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery   ----- The lower cost Data Recovery
> Alternative !
> We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack
> / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition 
> Loss
> (FDISK).
> We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes.
> Visit our site:
> http://www.databak.co.za
> Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191
> Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787
> eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za
> Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Jul 25 07:14:15 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:14:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] a contact in Denmark ?
References: <000201c58f5b$01cdfd40$b79381cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<002e01c58f64$a549b5a0$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <000401c59123$24cc5160$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] a contact in Denmark ?


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 11:29 PM
> Subject: [SEL] a contact in Denmark ?
> > Does anyone know of a contact in Denmark . I have a piece of machinery ,made
> > in Denmark . It appears to be something to do with sewing but probably for a
> > specific purpose.
> > Thanks in advance..........
> > Peter Ogborne

Hi Peter, The machine was made by Vilhelme Pedersen in the town of H?ng.
In the 1990's they were taken over & now they are in the town of Slagelse.
I have contacted them & they will supply any info they still have of the model 308.
The oldest employee is on holiday & he might know more.
The website is http://www.pedersen-spares.com/main.htm
Anyone interested can see Peters pictures of the machine at
http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/402421812biFqvZ
I hope this helps,
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jul 25 07:43:30 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:43:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20050725115044.009ae540@127.0.0.1>
References: <3.0.6.32.20050725115044.009ae540@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <4459.165.206.180.102.1122302610.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

Yes.

Bill


> Hi List,
> 	Are we all insane or is it just me ??
>
> 	Last night I worked until 3.00 am in the cold of winter in my unheated
> workshop, restoring an old fire extinguisher cannister that cost me less
> than US$0.50 at a scrapyard. It was rotten, dented and had holes in it. I
> had it sandblasted, welded the holes closed, fixed the dents and brazed 2
> brass sockets into it. So far it has taken me about 6 hours and I have not
> even got a coat of primer on it yet!
>
> 	Oh yes - that 6 hours does not include the 4 hours spent before the
> sandblasting when I copied the label and drew it on a graphics programme
> so
> that I can have a new one printed when I am finished.
>
> 	Why, you may ask? Well it is an old one made in England in the 1950's and
> is made with rivets and solder - not like the new ones that are all
> welded.
> It is destined to be the water tank on the Ruston & Hornsby PT that I have
> nearly finished restoring and has to go to a show on Saturday.
>
> 	I am also making a "toolbox"  (with dovetailed joints) from Oregon Pine
> that it will mount on. This Oregon Pine has a history as well. In the 80's
> I was doing building renovations and I replaced the oregon floor  in an
> old
> building in central Johannesburg. The building dated to the early 1900's.
> I
> used some of this wood in a ceiling in my house but subsequently removed
> some of it and it is this wood I'm using for the toolbox. So it is over
> 100
> years old and into it's third life now.
>
> 	I will put up pics in a few days when it is all finished.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards
> Jerry Evans.
> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery
>
> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery   ----- The lower cost Data Recovery
> Alternative !
> We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack
> / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition
> Loss
> (FDISK).
> We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes.
> Visit our site:
> http://www.databak.co.za
> Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191
> Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787
> eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za
> Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
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>
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>



From segray at mlode.com  Mon Jul 25 08:50:39 2005
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:50:39 -0700
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: buckeye diesel engine]
Message-ID: <42E50A4F.4090605@mlode.com>

Hi All -

  Got this in the box this morning. Anybody know anything about 
Buckeyes? Please contact directly, they're not on the list.
Thanx

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jul 25 08:53:14 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:53:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
In-Reply-To: <20050725120146.SM00880@new>
Message-ID: <200507251553.j6PFr4Dg082145@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

> Hi List,
> 	Are we all insane or is it just me ??


Yes Jerry,
We are conquistadors of the useless, compulsive addicts of the absurd.

With engines, there is the expenditure of precious time, marital harmony,
financial stability,  set against the transitory pleasure of the reanimation of
a useless object, the thrill of the first "chuff," the fleeting satiation of an
irrational desire. The fact that there will always be a bigger or rarer engine
guarantees the desire can never be fully gratified.  This is the addiction.
Perhaps the desire is deeply rooted in the very absurdity of the undertaking. It
is so wonderfully pointless and meaningless that it has to be done.

Rob "Don't Call Me Simpson" Skinner






From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Jul 25 10:37:10 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:37:10 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
Message-ID: <12b.61a63d0f.30167d46@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/25/2005 6:17:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

<< Are we all insane or is it just me ?? >>


Jerry,

  Surely you do not think that the rest of the list members would attempt 
such a restoration of pieces of junk that even the recycle center would turn 
their nose at?  

Or take your wife on a 5 hour trip into the West Virginia mountains in 90 
degree weather to load a stationary hay baler, break one truck down, get home at 
midnight minus the trailer and haybaler, get up the next morning take another 
truck and drive back 5 hours to pick up the loaded trailer, drive home another 
5 hours, all to just say you have a stationary haybaler as a yard ornament at 
the end of your driveway!  

And you would even question the sanity of the other list members?  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Jul 25 10:47:26 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:47:26 +0100
Subject: [SEL] a contact in Denmark ?
References: <000201c58f5b$01cdfd40$b79381cb@ogborneuah38i3><002e01c58f64$a549b5a0$fa4c1152@no1>
	<000401c59123$24cc5160$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <000401c59140$ec9fb070$fa4c1152@no1>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] a contact in Denmark ?

> Hi Peter, The machine was made by Vilhelme Pedersen in the town of H?ng.
> In the 1990's they were taken over & now they are in the town of Slagelse.
> I have contacted them & they will supply any info they still have of the model 308.
> The oldest employee is on holiday & he might know more.
> The website is http://www.pedersen-spares.com/
> Anyone interested can see Peters pictures of the machine at
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/402421812biFqvZ
> I hope this helps, Dave Croft

Please note that I have changed the Pederson website address
Dave Croft



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 11:47:34 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:47:34 +0100
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: buckeye diesel engine]
In-Reply-To: <42E50A4F.4090605@mlode.com>
References: <42E50A4F.4090605@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605072511471be52c4@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/25/05, Steve Gray <segray at mlode.com> wrote:
> Hi All -
> 
>   Got this in the box this morning. Anybody know anything about
> Buckeyes? Please contact directly, they're not on the list.
> Thanx
> 
> --
> Steve Gray

We have a manual for the larger engines, model 80, 5-cylinder 300hp.....

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 25 11:58:30 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:58:30 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
Message-ID: <BAY103-F14F962ED911C55BD27A5CEC8CA0@phx.gbl>

Here are some pictures for your viewing pleasure.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton05/charlton05.html

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Jul 25 10:38:19 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:38:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
Message-ID: <20050725.135716.1408.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Jerry,

It's good to see people with the kind of patience it takes to perform the
work you're doing.

I will usually start out in the right path but soon get anxious and start
braking things.

What's wrong with working at 3 AM in the workshop?

Keep us posted.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From segray at mlode.com  Mon Jul 25 13:00:54 2005
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:00:54 -0700
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: buckeye diesel engine]
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605072511471be52c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <42E50A4F.4090605@mlode.com>
	<6f60251605072511471be52c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42E544F6.20601@mlode.com>

I'll pass it on. Thanks, Peter.

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



Listerdiesel wrote:

>On 7/25/05, Steve Gray <segray at mlode.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi All -
>>
>>  Got this in the box this morning. Anybody know anything about
>>Buckeyes? Please contact directly, they're not on the list.
>>Thanx
>>
>>--
>>Steve Gray
>>    
>>
>
>We have a manual for the larger engines, model 80, 5-cylinder 300hp.....
>
>Peter
>  
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Jul 25 13:25:05 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:25:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: buckeye diesel engine]
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605072511471be52c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <42E50A4F.4090605@mlode.com>
	<6f60251605072511471be52c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050725162311.0c5adb38@mail.alltel.net>


>We have a manual for the larger engines, model 80, 5-cylinder 300hp.....
>
>Peter

Hi Peter, Exactly how do you think that will help?
         Dave
PS, I have a manual for a 180 HP F-M, but I don't think that will help a 
lot either! 



From wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com  Mon Jul 25 14:29:38 2005
From: wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com (Bill Calvert)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:29:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine transport from Oklahoma to Portland
Message-ID: <E7327343C546D71194F30090273D39C4633447@HP-LC3>

Rob

At this time I am planning to be in Portland with a trailer.  I could
transport from Fort Smith Ar to Portland if my plans don't get changed.

Bill Calvert 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Skinner [mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com] 
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 9:56 PM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 'The SEL email discussion list';
'Oil Field Engine Society mailing list'
Cc: 'alec'
Subject: [SEL] Engine transport from Oklahoma to Portland

Hi kids,
I just got an email from Alec Stevens.  He can't send messages to the
list from home, so he's asked me to convey his request.  
 
Alec just bought an engine on ebay, a 2 1/4 horse Galloway, that is in
Piedmont, Oklahoma.  It's on wheels.  Can anyone pick it up on their way
to Portland?  
 
If you can help out, respond here or email Alec directly at
1lunger at maine.rr.com
 
The engine can be seen at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7530674851>
&rd=1&item=7530674851
 
 
=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com <http://www.rustyiron.com/>  
 
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From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Mon Jul 25 15:06:59 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:06:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <01ad01c58fd1$0056ea00$546ea618@pengy>
	<6f60251605072413367a0e173@mail.gmail.com>
	<003a01c590a5$e81c9cc0$546ea618@pengy>
	<6f60251605072502121e1a664a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601c59165$2e1500e0$546ea618@pengy>

I have Roadrunner cable here and its the best.  My problem was that I didn't 
put the correct pop3 addess in the outlook express so I couldn't send 
emails.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:12 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test


> On 7/25/05, Rick Rowlands <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com> wrote:
>> Actually I just moved and I was having trouble sending out emails so I 
>> sent
>> the test to make sure that I could send and recieve.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Rick
>>
>
> Can you get DSL at your new place?  well worth having if you can get it 
> :-))
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From guitronics at comcast.net  Mon Jul 25 16:24:57 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:24:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
In-Reply-To: <001101c59103$f5b73080$ae9f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <20050725120146.SM00880@new>
	<001101c59103$f5b73080$ae9f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <42E574C9.1070905@comcast.net>


Sadly, the short answer is...yes.

        It's called obsessive/compulsive disorder, or simply : OCD.

Then again,many,many people have this and don't even realize it. You 
have your Fishing Fanatics, Racing Fanatics, Trading (Ebay) 
Fanatics,Computer "Nerds",Woodworker freaks, Auto restorers,CB Radio 
nuts, Ham Radio Nuts, Music Collectors, Comic Book Collectors, ......the 
list is endless.

My biggest problem is to just focus on one obsession at a time....they 
all seem to run together.

peter ogborne wrote:

> Now i understand how you came by the theory of 
> Boomerangs............you are mad !
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 11:50 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
>
>
>> Hi List,
>> Are we all insane or is it just me ??
>>
>> Last night I worked until 3.00 am in the cold of winter in my unheated
>> workshop, restoring an old fire extinguisher cannister that cost me less
>> than US$0.50 at a scrapyard. It was rotten, dented and had holes in 
>> it. I
>> had it sandblasted, welded the holes closed, fixed the dents and 
>> brazed 2
>> brass sockets into it. So far it has taken me about 6 hours and I 
>> have not
>> even got a coat of primer on it yet!
>>
>> Oh yes - that 6 hours does not include the 4 hours spent before the
>> sandblasting when I copied the label and drew it on a graphics 
>> programme so
>> that I can have a new one printed when I am finished.
>>
>> Why, you may ask? Well it is an old one made in England in the 1950's 
>> and
>> is made with rivets and solder - not like the new ones that are all 
>> welded.
>> It is destined to be the water tank on the Ruston & Hornsby PT that I 
>> have
>> nearly finished restoring and has to go to a show on Saturday.
>>
>> I am also making a "toolbox"  (with dovetailed joints) from Oregon Pine
>> that it will mount on. This Oregon Pine has a history as well. In the 
>> 80's
>> I was doing building renovations and I replaced the oregon floor  in 
>> an old
>> building in central Johannesburg. The building dated to the early 
>> 1900's. I
>> used some of this wood in a ceiling in my house but subsequently removed
>> some of it and it is this wood I'm using for the toolbox. So it is 
>> over 100
>> years old and into it's third life now.
>>
>> I will put up pics in a few days when it is all finished.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards
>> Jerry Evans.
>> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery
>>
>> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery   ----- The lower cost Data Recovery
>> Alternative !
>> We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus 
>> attack
>> / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or 
>> Partition Loss
>> (FDISK).
>> We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes.
>> Visit our site:
>> http://www.databak.co.za
>> Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191
>> Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787
>> eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za
>> Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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>>
>
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From WinkAndGinger at aol.com  Mon Jul 25 16:36:37 2005
From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:36:37 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
Message-ID: <158.554fbe40.3016d185@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/25/2005 9:19:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
rskinner at rustyiron.com writes:


> 
> Yes Jerry,
> We are conquistadors of the useless, compulsive addicts of the absurd.
> 
> With engines, there is the expenditure of precious time, marital harmony,
> financial stability,  set against the transitory pleasure of the reanimation 
> of
> a useless object, the thrill of the first "chuff," the fleeting satiation of 
> an
> irrational desire. The fact that there will always be a bigger or rarer 
> engine
> guarantees the desire can never be fully gratified.  This is the addiction.
> Perhaps the desire is deeply rooted in the very absurdity of the 
> undertaking. It
> is so wonderfully pointless and meaningless that it has to be done.
> 
> Rob "Don't Call Me Simpson" Skinner
> 

Yup!    I know I fit the discription, 'cause I understood what Rob was 
saying!

Wink & Ginger Thornton, 
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=


From jbcast at charter.net  Mon Jul 25 16:38:32 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:38:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: buckeye diesel engine]
Message-ID: <48vksc$180o928@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net>


> > 
> >   Got this in the box this morning. Anybody know anything about
> > Buckeyes? Please contact directly, they're not on the list.
I have a manual for the 100hp Buckeye that was in GEM a while ago. I missed the first part of this message, don't know who's looking for what.
J.B. Castagnos


From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Mon Jul 25 16:43:03 2005
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:43:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
In-Reply-To: <200507251553.j6PFr4Dg082145@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <BF0AC717.9F44%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

Now you all know what  I'm up against...

[sigh]
-- 
Kelley Garcia
La Habra, Ka.
USA



On 7/25/05 8:53 AM, "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:

>> Hi List,
>> Are we all insane or is it just me ??
> 
> 
> Yes Jerry,
> We are conquistadors of the useless, compulsive addicts of the absurd.
> 
> With engines, there is the expenditure of precious time, marital harmony,
> financial stability,  set against the transitory pleasure of the reanimation
> of
> a useless object, the thrill of the first "chuff," the fleeting satiation of
> an
> irrational desire. The fact that there will always be a bigger or rarer engine
> guarantees the desire can never be fully gratified.  This is the addiction.
> Perhaps the desire is deeply rooted in the very absurdity of the undertaking.
> It
> is so wonderfully pointless and meaningless that it has to be done.
> 
> Rob "Don't Call Me Simpson" Skinner
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Jul 25 18:36:22 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:36:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: buckeye diesel engine]
In-Reply-To: <48vksc$180o928@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net>
References: <48vksc$180o928@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <073ec3eb7df8e8938558cd6192c1ab96@chartertn.net>

Here's the message that didn't get included with the List post. (I got 
it, too.)

We belong to the Mid Michigan Old gas tractor club.
we have three buckeye engines. we are trying to find some speficiations 
on the  if you could be of help we would appreciate it.
Harriett Romain

Reply to: hromain at fbconnectu.net

On Jul 25, 2005, at 7:38 PM, <jbcast at charter.net> wrote:

>
>>>
>>>   Got this in the box this morning. Anybody know anything about
>>> Buckeyes? Please contact directly, they're not on the list.
> I have a manual for the 100hp Buckeye that was in GEM a while ago. I 
> missed the first part of this message, don't know who's looking for 
> what.
> J.B. Castagnos


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From yostsw at atis.net  Mon Jul 25 22:22:27 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:22:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] List outages
Message-ID: <200507260122270484.1F9A35DF@heavyiron.atis.net>

The lists are down because of a problem with my SPAM filtering service
provider.   I am working with them to resolve the issue.   Please bear with
us in the mean time.   There have been a few messages that have come in but
not the vast majority of them.

PS:  (I send to the lists locally so I can send this even though no one
else can)

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 23:38:12 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:38:12 +0100
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: buckeye diesel engine]
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050725162311.0c5adb38@mail.alltel.net>
References: <42E50A4F.4090605@mlode.com>
	<6f60251605072511471be52c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050725162311.0c5adb38@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f60251605072523387aee2e5b@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/25/05, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> 
> >We have a manual for the larger engines, model 80, 5-cylinder 300hp.....
> >
> >Peter
> 
> Hi Peter, Exactly how do you think that will help?
>          Dave
> PS, I have a manual for a 180 HP F-M, but I don't think that will help a
> lot either!
> 

Sorry, Dave, I should have said that it was a Buckeye manual and that
without anything else in the post to indicate which engine was being
discussed, that was all I could offer at that time.

I see that John Culp has included the original poster's info on a
subsequent post to the list.

We also have some F-M large engine manuals, covering the 7-cylinder
33E14, 6-Cylinder 33F12, 6-Cylinder 35F8-3/4 and 6-Cylinder 33E16. The
numbers after the 'F' in the engine type number give the cylinder bore
in inches.

If anyone needs any info out of these books, give me a shout. 

See you in less than a month....

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From Peterwoodmore at aol.com  Mon Jul 25 23:55:26 2005
From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 02:55:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
Message-ID: <5805C271.5318BA07.04B7CB00@aol.com>

I'm alright its the rest of the world thats mad

-- 
Woody
Peter Woodmore
Moorebank
NSW Australia
peterwoodmore at aol.com



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Jul 26 04:33:05 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:33:05 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
References: <BAY103-F14F962ED911C55BD27A5CEC8CA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001b01c591d5$cf3f4960$bb9781cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Beautiful pictures of those steam boats Luke...........working on mine!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 2:58 AM
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures


> Here are some pictures for your viewing pleasure.
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton05/charlton05.html
> 
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
>



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Jul 26 04:35:42 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:35:42 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Surprise calls from Dave
Message-ID: <001f01c591d6$2d866b20$bb9781cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Dave thanks for those welcome phone calls . I have told the owner of the 
machinery that i have an ''Overseas Expert '' on the job!
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Mon Jul 25 17:14:29 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:14:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
References: <20050725120146.SM00880@new>
	<001101c59103$f5b73080$ae9f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<42E574C9.1070905@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00ad01c59176$fde6ffb0$546ea618@pengy>

Everyone needs a purpose in life.  Hey lets face it, the get married, have 
kids, go in debt up to your eyeballs in suburbia thing has been way 
overdone, and in reality who would want to live that way!!!   I think its a 
far more rewarding life to bring old pieces of machinery back to life, get 
dirty, learn about our history and share our hobby with others who 
appreciate it.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael P. Koryciak" <guitronics at comcast.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Are we all insane??


>
> Sadly, the short answer is...yes.
>
>        It's called obsessive/compulsive disorder, or simply : OCD.
>
> Then again,many,many people have this and don't even realize it. You
> have your Fishing Fanatics, Racing Fanatics, Trading (Ebay)
> Fanatics,Computer "Nerds",Woodworker freaks, Auto restorers,CB Radio
> nuts, Ham Radio Nuts, Music Collectors, Comic Book Collectors, ......the
> list is endless.
>
> My biggest problem is to just focus on one obsession at a time....they
> all seem to run together.
>
> peter ogborne wrote:
>
>> Now i understand how you came by the theory of
>> Boomerangs............you are mad !
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 11:50 AM
>> Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
>>
>>
>>> Hi List,
>>> Are we all insane or is it just me ??
>>>
>>> Last night I worked until 3.00 am in the cold of winter in my unheated
>>> workshop, restoring an old fire extinguisher cannister that cost me less
>>> than US$0.50 at a scrapyard. It was rotten, dented and had holes in
>>> it. I
>>> had it sandblasted, welded the holes closed, fixed the dents and
>>> brazed 2
>>> brass sockets into it. So far it has taken me about 6 hours and I
>>> have not
>>> even got a coat of primer on it yet!
>>>
>>> Oh yes - that 6 hours does not include the 4 hours spent before the
>>> sandblasting when I copied the label and drew it on a graphics
>>> programme so
>>> that I can have a new one printed when I am finished.
>>>
>>> Why, you may ask? Well it is an old one made in England in the 1950's
>>> and
>>> is made with rivets and solder - not like the new ones that are all
>>> welded.
>>> It is destined to be the water tank on the Ruston & Hornsby PT that I
>>> have
>>> nearly finished restoring and has to go to a show on Saturday.
>>>
>>> I am also making a "toolbox"  (with dovetailed joints) from Oregon Pine
>>> that it will mount on. This Oregon Pine has a history as well. In the
>>> 80's
>>> I was doing building renovations and I replaced the oregon floor  in
>>> an old
>>> building in central Johannesburg. The building dated to the early
>>> 1900's. I
>>> used some of this wood in a ceiling in my house but subsequently removed
>>> some of it and it is this wood I'm using for the toolbox. So it is
>>> over 100
>>> years old and into it's third life now.
>>>
>>> I will put up pics in a few days when it is all finished.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Jerry Evans.
>>> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery
>>>
>>> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery   ----- The lower cost Data Recovery
>>> Alternative !
>>> We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus
>>> attack
>>> / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or
>>> Partition Loss
>>> (FDISK).
>>> We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes.
>>> Visit our site:
>>> http://www.databak.co.za
>>> Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191
>>> Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787
>>> eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za
>>> Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
>>>
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>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>


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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jul 26 06:05:55 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:05:55 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Surprise calls from Dave
References: <001f01c591d6$2d866b20$bb9781cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <001601c591e2$c34591c0$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [SEL] Surprise calls from Dave


> Dave thanks for those welcome phone calls . I have told the owner of the 
> machinery that i have an ''Overseas Expert '' on the job!
> Peter Ogborne

Hi Peter, I had an E mail this morning from Denmark saying that a 
Brochure for a 308 has been found & is being posted to me.
(I hope it is in English to save me doing a translation for you) 
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jul 26 07:36:19 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:36:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
In-Reply-To: <BF0AC717.9F44%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <BF0AC717.9F44%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <42E64A63.8010900@imc-group.com>

Now Kelley, lets be truthful. We have seen pictures of you far deeper in 
grease than Rob. Just who is being more tolerant? ! :-)
Ref: http://engines.rustyiron.com/piston/index.html  Last picture at the 
bottom of the page.

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Kelley Garcia wrote:

>Now you all know what  I'm up against...
>
>[sigh]
>  
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jul 26 08:25:33 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:25:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c59176$fde6ffb0$546ea618@pengy>
References: <20050725120146.SM00880@new>
	<001101c59103$f5b73080$ae9f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<42E574C9.1070905@comcast.net> <00ad01c59176$fde6ffb0$546ea618@pengy>
Message-ID: <3379.165.206.180.102.1122391533.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

Amen.

Bill

> Everyone needs a purpose in life.  Hey lets face it, the get married, have
> kids, go in debt up to your eyeballs in suburbia thing has been way
> overdone, and in reality who would want to live that way!!!   I think its
> a
> far more rewarding life to bring old pieces of machinery back to life, get
> dirty, learn about our history and share our hobby with others who
> appreciate it.
>
> Rick
>



From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Tue Jul 26 09:23:01 2005
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:23:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
In-Reply-To: <42E64A63.8010900@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BF0BB175.9F82%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

SHHHHH!!!  Gee Curt, not everyone knows I'm just as bad as all you guys on
the list.  
Just looking for a little solace...
-- 
Kelley Garcia
La Habra, Ka.
USA



On 7/26/05 7:36 AM, "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:

> Now Kelley, lets be truthful. We have seen pictures of you far deeper in
> grease than Rob. Just who is being more tolerant? ! :-)
> Ref: http://engines.rustyiron.com/piston/index.html  Last picture at the
> bottom of the page.
> 
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> 
> Kelley Garcia wrote:
> 
>> Now you all know what  I'm up against...
>> 
>> [sigh]
>>  
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jul 26 17:43:05 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:43:05 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Jelbart
Message-ID: <012101c59244$30555fa0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I have just got off the phone. Ive had a call from the owner of a fully 
restored 4 to 5 hp Jelbart. Number 126. It is all original parts including 
the transport.
If any list member wants an engine that is a bit different................
Anyway, contact Ross Minehan at.
Minehan, Ross
E-mail Address(es):
  minehans at dragnet.com.au
Personal Information:
  Address:
    Minehan's Agricultural service
Sunnyside

    Stockinbingal NSW 2725
    Aust
  Phone: 0269431517

The time difference.  When its noon here its 10 pm in New York. 




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Jul 26 17:37:15 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:37:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
References: <BAY103-F14F962ED911C55BD27A5CEC8CA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00b701c59243$5662b220$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>

Luke:
  Great pics as usual.  Do you know who owns that big 7hp Blue Line Alamo?
I need to ask him a few questions.

Thanks,
Mike Royster

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:58 PM
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures


> Here are some pictures for your viewing pleasure.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton05/charlton05.html
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From FGreatwestern at aol.com  Tue Jul 26 17:44:44 2005
From: FGreatwestern at aol.com (FGreatwestern at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:44:44 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Mail
Message-ID: <126.61c0c491.301832fc@aol.com>

Is everything OK with the list?  I have no mail.  Very  unusual.  Thanks.
 
F Schultz in MI


From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Tue Jul 26 19:34:02 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:34:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] oil slinging Witte
References: <20050724.224254.880.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <006b01c59253$a79248d0$67f34c0c@D48VHZ61>

I was afraid this was "normal". Sure makes for a messy engine.

John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] oil slinging Witte


> Hi John,
> 
> Only thoughts I have:    I have a Stover CT-1 enclosed crank.
> 
> Slings oil from the Mag side.  Comes out the corners where the gaskets
> meet.
> Also comes out the bearing cap.  
> 
> Tried several times to seal it tight.
> 
> Can't.
> 
> No matter what I do - Seems to leak.
> 
> My Advice - - - Let it leak.
> 
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
> 



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jul 26 22:48:23 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:48:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] oil slinging Witte
References: <20050724.224254.880.1.jlb94@juno.com>
	<006b01c59253$a79248d0$67f34c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <01da01c5926f$47c1b730$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

>From memory, there is a one way breather on the top of the cover. This makes 
the engine'suck' back oil from the bearings and other 'wet' bits.
I had a couple of these in the past and they ran clean and dry. So, make 
sure this non return breather is ok.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hall" <jthall at worldnet.att.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] oil slinging Witte


>I was afraid this was "normal". Sure makes for a messy engine.
>
> John
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] oil slinging Witte
>
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Only thoughts I have:    I have a Stover CT-1 enclosed crank.
>>
>> Slings oil from the Mag side.  Comes out the corners where the gaskets
>> meet.
>> Also comes out the bearing cap.  Tried several times to seal it tight.
>>
>> Can't.
>>
>> No matter what I do - Seems to leak.
>>
>> My Advice - - - Let it leak.
>>
>>
>> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jul 26 22:51:44 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:51:44 +1000
Subject: [SEL] jelbart
Message-ID: <01db01c5926f$4943ea60$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Further to my last mail on this engine.
I have no further info so, go to Ross about it.
I just passed on the tip as they are a rarer breed of engine and dont appear 
that often.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 27 03:58:57 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:58:57 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
In-Reply-To: <00b701c59243$5662b220$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F72124C3A8DA4416633C0DC8CC0@phx.gbl>

Sorry, I don't know who hauled it in. I'll try to find out for you......

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
===============================

>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
>Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:37:15 -0400
>
>Luke:
>   Great pics as usual.  Do you know who owns that big 7hp Blue Line Alamo?
>I need to ask him a few questions.
>
>Thanks,
>Mike Royster
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:58 PM
>Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
>
>
> > Here are some pictures for your viewing pleasure.
> >
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton05/charlton05.html
> >
> > Luke Tonneberger
> > Rockford, Michigan
> > USA
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Wed Jul 27 06:18:02 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:18:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
Message-ID: <20050727131802.10718.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com>


Been running crazy....Show pictures from the past several shows are now on
the web page...There seem to be more tractor pictures, but Some of them
are really good tractors and not the common run of the mill....red vs
green vs blue vs orange...

If you have any feedback, pages loads too slow, let me know offlist.  I
can split into more pages if needed.  Should be ok on high speed.


Will County, IL 2005 - Engines and tractors were down due to the heat
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005WillCounty1.htm

Downtown Downers Grove, IL - Friday Night Cruz In July 22 - fun time
several blocks from my house.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005DGCruz.htm

Rosholt Area Threshermen - Rosholt, WI - 2005 (2 pages)
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Rosholt1.htm

Crown Point, IN - 2005 (2 pages)
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005CrownPoint1.htm

Bourbonnais, IL 2005
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Bourbonnais.htm


This week (starting today, we have a display at our local County Fair). 
This is in the middle of suburbia ~35 miles west of Chicago.

Steve


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 27 06:56:10 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:56:10 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill Pictures
Message-ID: <BAY103-F248972F52D4E249BB86B2BC8CC0@phx.gbl>

Hi Everybody,

I finished up working on my shingle mill. It is ready to make shingles now.  
You can see pictures of the before and after here:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/shinglemill/shinglemill.html

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From oldengineman at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 27 07:09:35 2005
From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Peter Stauffer)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:09:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F72124C3A8DA4416633C0DC8CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F11321734AD62F5D562C978C4CC0@phx.gbl>

Mike,
What do you need to know about a 7 hp. Alamo Blue Line?  I have an Empire 
(Cream Seperator Co.) 7 hp. that was made by Alamo.  Same as the "Blue 
Line".  It is throttle goverened and setup to start on gasoline and then run 
on kero.  It is fired by an ignitor with a Wizard Magneto, sorta like a 
Webster.  Maybe I can help.

Pete Stauffer

>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
>Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:58:57 +0000
>
>Sorry, I don't know who hauled it in. I'll try to find out for you......
>
>Luke Tonneberger
>Rockford, Michigan
>USA
>===============================
>
>>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
>>Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:37:15 -0400
>>
>>Luke:
>>   Great pics as usual.  Do you know who owns that big 7hp Blue Line 
>>Alamo?
>>I need to ask him a few questions.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Mike Royster
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:58 PM
>>Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
>>
>>
>> > Here are some pictures for your viewing pleasure.
>> >
>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton05/charlton05.html
>> >
>> > Luke Tonneberger
>> > Rockford, Michigan
>> > USA
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jul 27 07:12:07 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 08:12:07 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
References: <20050727131802.10718.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV44BAA626C1DC74D77AF6BBBCC0@phx.gbl>

Having one of the slowest dialups..your thumnails load very fast, and takes 
less than a minute to enlarge one...well within tolerable limits!  Thought 
you'd like to know

Good job Steve.
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Barr" <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:18 AM
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports


>
> Been running crazy....Show pictures from the past several shows are now on
> the web page...There seem to be more tractor pictures, but Some of them
> are really good tractors and not the common run of the mill....red vs
> green vs blue vs orange...
>
> If you have any feedback, pages loads too slow, let me know offlist.  I
> can split into more pages if needed.  Should be ok on high speed.
>
>
> Will County, IL 2005 - Engines and tractors were down due to the heat
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005WillCounty1.htm
>
> Downtown Downers Grove, IL - Friday Night Cruz In July 22 - fun time
> several blocks from my house.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005DGCruz.htm
>
> Rosholt Area Threshermen - Rosholt, WI - 2005 (2 pages)
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Rosholt1.htm
>
> Crown Point, IN - 2005 (2 pages)
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005CrownPoint1.htm
>
> Bourbonnais, IL 2005
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Bourbonnais.htm
>
>
> This week (starting today, we have a display at our local County Fair).
> This is in the middle of suburbia ~35 miles west of Chicago.
>
> Steve
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul 27 07:43:39 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:43:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill Pictures
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F248972F52D4E249BB86B2BC8CC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F248972F52D4E249BB86B2BC8CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507271042240.59800@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Luke,

Wow, that sure is a nice piece of work!  That's the first shingle mill
I've seen where the blade is horizontal.  I'd love to see that in
operation.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> I finished up working on my shingle mill. It is ready to make shingles now.
> You can see pictures of the before and after here:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/shinglemill/shinglemill.html



From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jul 27 07:41:15 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:41:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F11321734AD62F5D562C978C4CC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F72124C3A8DA4416633C0DC8CC0@phx.gbl>
	<BAY101-F11321734AD62F5D562C978C4CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1550.165.206.180.102.1122475275.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

I have a color catelog that might help as well - if I can find it.....
It's original Alamo issue from about 1919 or so.

Bill

> Mike,
> What do you need to know about a 7 hp. Alamo Blue Line?  I have an Empire
> (Cream Seperator Co.) 7 hp. that was made by Alamo.  Same as the "Blue
> Line".  It is throttle goverened and setup to start on gasoline and then
> run
> on kero.  It is fired by an ignitor with a Wizard Magneto, sorta like a
> Webster.  Maybe I can help.
>
> Pete Stauffer
>
>>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
>>Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:58:57 +0000
>>
>>Sorry, I don't know who hauled it in. I'll try to find out for you......
>>
>>Luke Tonneberger
>>Rockford, Michigan
>>USA
>>===============================
>>
>>>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
>>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
>>>Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:37:15 -0400
>>>
>>>Luke:
>>>   Great pics as usual.  Do you know who owns that big 7hp Blue Line
>>>Alamo?
>>>I need to ask him a few questions.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Mike Royster
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
>>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:58 PM
>>>Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
>>>
>>>
>>> > Here are some pictures for your viewing pleasure.
>>> >
>>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton05/charlton05.html
>>> >
>>> > Luke Tonneberger
>>> > Rockford, Michigan
>>> > USA
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > SEL mailing list
>>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Wed Jul 27 07:43:54 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:43:54 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
References: 84627693
Message-ID: <004101c592b9$9d0ce440$0301a8c0@Cam>

Very, very nice Steve. Cheers Cam.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Barr" <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:18 PM
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports


>
> Been running crazy....Show pictures from the past several shows are now on
> the web page...There seem to be more tractor pictures, but Some of them
> are really good tractors and not the common run of the mill....red vs
> green vs blue vs orange...
>
> If you have any feedback, pages loads too slow, let me know offlist.  I
> can split into more pages if needed.  Should be ok on high speed.
>
>
> Will County, IL 2005 - Engines and tractors were down due to the heat
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005WillCounty1.htm
>
> Downtown Downers Grove, IL - Friday Night Cruz In July 22 - fun time
> several blocks from my house.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005DGCruz.htm
>
> Rosholt Area Threshermen - Rosholt, WI - 2005 (2 pages)
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Rosholt1.htm
>
> Crown Point, IN - 2005 (2 pages)
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005CrownPoint1.htm
>
> Bourbonnais, IL 2005
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Bourbonnais.htm
>
>
> This week (starting today, we have a display at our local County Fair).
> This is in the middle of suburbia ~35 miles west of Chicago.
>
> Steve
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul 27 09:20:02 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:20:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Setup of List Area at Portland (Second Post)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507201355220.39998@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507201355220.39998@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507271210230.59800@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Gee, this is a little disappointing.  Here we are about 27 days before
Portland and no one has stepped up to setup the list area on Friday August
19th.  Is it possible that no one is going to Portland this year?  8-))

Or is it that you've all gotten so sick of each other that the last thing
that you want to do is to setup anywhere near other list folks?

So lets try again shall we.  Are there any list folks who will be at
Portland (or who live within a couple of hours drive of Portland) who
would be willing to be there and do the setup on Friday?

Recall that the letter that just came from Tri-State said they have
changed the layout for the show this year so we'll need to check in with
one of the directors on Friday to see what area is available.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> Its that time of year again; time to discuss who among us can step up
> and serve the needs of the many.  We're talking about the annual Portland
> land grab.  Namely being at Portland on the Friday before the show (August
> 19th) to reserve and stake out an area for the folks on the Stationary
> Engine List to call their own and setup in.
>
> Do we have one or more volunteers?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com



From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jul 27 09:17:25 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:17:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
Message-ID: <20050727.121755.868.3.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Steve,

Very good job on the pics.

Everything loads fairly fast considering I'm on "dial-up".

No Problems.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 27 10:04:44 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:04:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Setup of List Area at Portland (Second Post)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507271210230.59800@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F1758A072CE72CDED63FB54C8CC0@phx.gbl>

Hi Arnie,

I'm about 5.5 hours away. If I was a little closer I would be glad to do it. 
But that is a little too far for me. It seems that the tractors will be 
across the road to the East from the spot we've had in years past. Do we 
want to try and stay in the same spot or go out to where the tractors used 
to be to the North? Seems that there are no trees out that way where the 
trators used to be.  There are always plenty of canopies, but would be nice 
to have some shade trees around also. To me, it doesn't really matter where 
we're at as long as the SEL is together. Would be nice to get some input 
from the others on their preference of where we set up. Would be nice to 
know if someone closer to Portland can grab some property for the SEL.

Is Leroy going to grab the land in the low rent district for the camping?

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
================================
>From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: Stationary Engine List <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Setup of List Area at Portland (Second Post)
>Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:20:02 -0400 (EDT)
>
>Hi Folks,
>
>Gee, this is a little disappointing.  Here we are about 27 days before
>Portland and no one has stepped up to setup the list area on Friday August
>19th.  Is it possible that no one is going to Portland this year?  8-))
>
>Or is it that you've all gotten so sick of each other that the last thing
>that you want to do is to setup anywhere near other list folks?
>
>So lets try again shall we.  Are there any list folks who will be at
>Portland (or who live within a couple of hours drive of Portland) who
>would be willing to be there and do the setup on Friday?
>
>Recall that the letter that just came from Tri-State said they have
>changed the layout for the show this year so we'll need to check in with
>one of the directors on Friday to see what area is available.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Arnie Fero wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > Its that time of year again; time to discuss who among us can step up
> > and serve the needs of the many.  We're talking about the annual 
>Portland
> > land grab.  Namely being at Portland on the Friday before the show 
>(August
> > 19th) to reserve and stake out an area for the folks on the Stationary
> > Engine List to call their own and setup in.
> >
> > Do we have one or more volunteers?
> >
> > See ya,  Arnie
> >
> > Arnie Fero
> > Pittsburgh, PA
> > fero_ah at city-net.com




From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jul 27 10:28:14 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:28:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Setup of List Area at Portland (Second Post)
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F1758A072CE72CDED63FB54C8CC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F1758A072CE72CDED63FB54C8CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42E7C42E.9020207@imc-group.com>

Luke,
I agree! I'd rather take a chance on a little standing water under the 
canopy of the trees, instead of baking in the direct sun. Unless we no 
longer have a choice.....can someone in the know remind us of the 
circumstances prompting our move???
Curt Holland
10 hours drive and 27 days from Portland.

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Hi Arnie,
>
> I'm about 5.5 hours away. If I was a little closer I would be glad to 
> do it. But that is a little too far for me. It seems that the tractors 
> will be across the road to the East from the spot we've had in years 
> past. Do we want to try and stay in the same spot or go out to where 
> the tractors used to be to the North? Seems that there are no trees 
> out that way where the trators used to be.  There are always plenty of 
> canopies, but would be nice to have some shade trees around also. To 
> me, it doesn't really matter where we're at as long as the SEL is 
> together. Would be nice to get some input from the others on their 
> preference of where we set up. Would be nice to know if someone closer 
> to Portland can grab some property for the SEL.
>
> Is Leroy going to grab the land in the low rent district for the camping?
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
> ================================
>
>> From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list 
>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> To: Stationary Engine List <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Subject: [SEL] Setup of List Area at Portland (Second Post)
>> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:20:02 -0400 (EDT)
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Gee, this is a little disappointing.  Here we are about 27 days before
>> Portland and no one has stepped up to setup the list area on Friday 
>> August
>> 19th.  Is it possible that no one is going to Portland this year?  8-))
>>
>> Or is it that you've all gotten so sick of each other that the last 
>> thing
>> that you want to do is to setup anywhere near other list folks?
>>
>> So lets try again shall we.  Are there any list folks who will be at
>> Portland (or who live within a couple of hours drive of Portland) who
>> would be willing to be there and do the setup on Friday?
>>
>> Recall that the letter that just came from Tri-State said they have
>> changed the layout for the show this year so we'll need to check in with
>> one of the directors on Friday to see what area is available.
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Arnie Fero wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Folks,
>> >
>> > Its that time of year again; time to discuss who among us can step up
>> > and serve the needs of the many.  We're talking about the annual 
>> Portland
>> > land grab.  Namely being at Portland on the Friday before the show 
>> (August
>> > 19th) to reserve and stake out an area for the folks on the Stationary
>> > Engine List to call their own and setup in.
>> >
>> > Do we have one or more volunteers?
>> >
>> > See ya,  Arnie
>> >
>> > Arnie Fero
>> > Pittsburgh, PA
>> > fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
>
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From nick at holden1.net  Wed Jul 27 10:55:23 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:55:23 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] Mail
References: <126.61c0c491.301832fc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42E7CA8B.000003.02588@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

its working heair
 
 
Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
 nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
-------Original Message-------
 
From: FGreatwestern at aol.com
Date: 07/27/05 02:01:25
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Mail
 
Is everything OK with the list?  I have no mail.  Very  unusual.  Thanks.
 
F Schultz in MI
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From oldengin at udata.com  Wed Jul 27 12:26:36 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:26:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Setup of List Area at Portland (Second Post)
In-Reply-To: <42E7C42E.9020207@imc-group.com>
References: <BAY103-F1758A072CE72CDED63FB54C8CC0@phx.gbl>
	<42E7C42E.9020207@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <42E7DFEC.3020500@udata.com>

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

>
>> Hi Arnie,
>>  
>>
>> Is Leroy going to grab the land in the low rent district for the 
>> camping?
>>
>> Luke Tonneberger
>> Rockford, Michigan
>> USA
>> ================================
>>
Yes at this time I plan to grab the camping ground for the low rent 
area.  You want, or need in?

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Wed Jul 27 15:33:05 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:33:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] oil slinging Witte
References: <20050724.224254.880.1.jlb94@juno.com><006b01c59253$a79248d0$67f34c0c@D48VHZ61>
	<01da01c5926f$47c1b730$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <004201c592fb$28d8f180$d8ea4c0c@D48VHZ61>

The breather on this one vents to the gear train. There is something that 
reminds me of a PVC valve at the bottom of the gear train with a ball for a 
chack valve that allows the oil from to re-enter the crankcase.

John


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 1:48 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] oil slinging Witte


> >From memory, there is a one way breather on the top of the cover. This 
> >makes
> the engine'suck' back oil from the bearings and other 'wet' bits.
> I had a couple of these in the past and they ran clean and dry. So, make 
> sure this non return breather is ok.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Hall" <jthall at worldnet.att.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] oil slinging Witte
>
>
>>I was afraid this was "normal". Sure makes for a messy engine.
>>
>> John
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] oil slinging Witte
>>
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> Only thoughts I have:    I have a Stover CT-1 enclosed crank.
>>>
>>> Slings oil from the Mag side.  Comes out the corners where the gaskets
>>> meet.
>>> Also comes out the bearing cap.  Tried several times to seal it tight.
>>>
>>> Can't.
>>>
>>> No matter what I do - Seems to leak.
>>>
>>> My Advice - - - Let it leak.
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>>
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From FGreatwestern at aol.com  Wed Jul 27 15:36:12 2005
From: FGreatwestern at aol.com (FGreatwestern at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:36:12 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Mail
Message-ID: <6d.4a136769.3019665c@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/27/2005 2:13:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
nick at holden1.net writes:

its  working heair





Nick  Holden

Banbury

Oxfordshire  (UK)

nick at holden1.net

http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden

-------Original  Message-------



From: FGreatwestern at aol.com

Date:  07/27/05 02:01:25

To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com

Subject:  [SEL] Mail



Is everything OK with the list?  I have no  mail.  Very  unusual.  Thanks.



F Schultz in  MI

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Thanks, Nick.  Is seems to be OK now here.
 
Fred in MI USA


From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 27 16:00:29 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:00:29 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill Pictures
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507271042240.59800@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <BAY103-F248972F52D4E249BB86B2BC8CC0@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0507271042240.59800@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <42E8120D.7060400@earthlink.net>

Hi Arnie,

Here's  another one with a horizontal blade. Belted up and running. Not 
as nice looking as Lukes, but fun to watch in action.

http://frapa.us/Photos/CiderDays04/CD010.html

http://frapa.us/Photos/CiderDays04/CD006.html

Jeff Allen

Arnie Fero wrote:

>Hi Luke,
>
>Wow, that sure is a nice piece of work!  That's the first shingle mill
>I've seen where the blade is horizontal.  I'd love to see that in
>operation.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Luke Tonneberger wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I finished up working on my shingle mill. It is ready to make shingles now.
>>You can see pictures of the before and after here:
>>
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/shinglemill/shinglemill.html
>>    
>>
>
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>
>
>  
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jul 27 16:06:49 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:06:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV141EC580CB0DB107C18810BBCC0@phx.gbl>

    what would ya think these would have been used on??  Got me stumped:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7532930376&category=58177&rd=1

RickinMt. 


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Wed Jul 27 08:13:38 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:13:38 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
References: <20050727131802.10718.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001401c592bd$c7acec00$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Thanks Steve for all those nice pics, lots of "looking" stuff.
I'm very happy with these two IHC pics of the waterpump.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2005Rosholt/054.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2005Rosholt/055.jpg

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web






From brianne at ultratune.com.au  Wed Jul 27 17:04:17 2005
From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:04:17 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Help Please
Message-ID: <00b501c59307$ea54d750$5154dccb@brian>

Hi Guys
I am not sure whether I have sent this before, not having had any rsponse, I guess not.
(Senior Moment maybe?)
At our Museum, we have several unidentified cutters/grinders etc. Most of them are hand operated and free standing, about 3 to 4 ft high.
I have placed pictures of them on our web site. If any one can help identify them, please contact me.
The web address is: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html 
Click on Machinery and then on the picture at the bottom of the group.
I will obtain all of the markings on them and add to the pictures later.
Many Thanks
Brian Taylor
Hervey Bay Historical Village & Museum
13 Zephyr St.
Scarness
Hervey Bay

From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Jul 27 17:07:57 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:07:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill Pictures
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F248972F52D4E249BB86B2BC8CC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F248972F52D4E249BB86B2BC8CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050727200721.03e41e38@mail.alltel.net>


>Hi Everybody,
>I finished up working on my shingle mill. It is ready to make shingles now.
>You can see pictures of the before and after here:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/shinglemill/shinglemill.html
>Luke Tonneberger

Nice job Luke--it looks GREAT!
         Dave



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Wed Jul 27 07:56:56 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:56:56 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill Pictures
References: <BAY103-F248972F52D4E249BB86B2BC8CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000f01c592bb$7496b2a0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Nice machine Luke, what hp power does it need to
run professional?

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



> I finished up working on my shingle mill. It is ready to make shingles now.  
> You can see pictures of the before and after here:
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/shinglemill/shinglemill.html
> 
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 27 17:16:44 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:16:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill Pictures
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507271042240.59800@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050728001644.42791.qmail@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey Arnie,
Right there is another reason why one of these years you should come on up to the Buckley show the
week before Portland.  We always have a shingle mill much like Luke's running.  Lots of folks grab
a shingle and take it to a couple nice guys that will brand it with the show date.  Something like
"BUCKLEY 2005" this year.

I would be very shocked if you didn't really like our show.

Alan Bowen
32 miles N.E. of Buckley & 6-1/2 hours North of Portland.

BTW,  I am very sad to say due to work I am most likely going to have to miss Portland this year.
8>(( 

--- Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> Hi Luke,
> 
> Wow, that sure is a nice piece of work!  That's the first shingle mill
> I've seen where the blade is horizontal.  I'd love to see that in
> operation.
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Luke Tonneberger wrote:
> 
> > I finished up working on my shingle mill. It is ready to make shingles now.
> > You can see pictures of the before and after here:
> >
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/shinglemill/shinglemill.html


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From gwaugh at wowway.com  Wed Jul 27 17:47:55 2005
From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:47:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill Pictures
In-Reply-To: <20050728001644.42791.qmail@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20050728001644.42791.qmail@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42E82B3B.3010307@wowway.com>

Also, Dick Gibbens of Louisiana has a similar shingle mill---mighty 
slick piece of equipment!!

-- 
Gene

Gene Waugh
Elgin, Illinois 60123 USA

Alan Bowen wrote:
> Hey Arnie,
> Right there is another reason why one of these years you should come on up to the Buckley show the
> week before Portland.  We always have a shingle mill much like Luke's running.  Lots of folks grab
> a shingle and take it to a couple nice guys that will brand it with the show date.  Something like
> "BUCKLEY 2005" this year.
> 
> I would be very shocked if you didn't really like our show.
> 
> Alan Bowen
> 32 miles N.E. of Buckley & 6-1/2 hours North of Portland.
> 
> BTW,  I am very sad to say due to work I am most likely going to have to miss Portland this year.
> 8>(( 
> 
> --- Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> 
> 




From yostsw at atis.net  Wed Jul 27 17:50:27 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:50:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Reminder
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200507272050270546.28EDF31A@heavyiron.atis.net>

Just a reminder to email me:

yostsw at atis.net

with charity auction nominations and to vote at:


http://www.antique-tractor.com/index.php


To vote you must create a user account.   It's real easy on this site and
can be found down on the bottom right hand portion of the screen

Take care,

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jul 27 18:27:25 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:27:25 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
References: <20050727131802.10718.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <038801c59315$ddd642d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

 Re Crown Point. The Sheldon is a dead ringer of the Waterloo Big Chief. Any 
pics of the engine plate?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Barr" <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:18 PM
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports


>
> Been running crazy....Show pictures from the past several shows are now on
> the web page...There seem to be more tractor pictures, but Some of them
> are really good tractors and not the common run of the mill....red vs
> green vs blue vs orange...
>
> If you have any feedback, pages loads too slow, let me know offlist.  I
> can split into more pages if needed.  Should be ok on high speed.
>
>
> Will County, IL 2005 - Engines and tractors were down due to the heat
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005WillCounty1.htm
>
> Downtown Downers Grove, IL - Friday Night Cruz In July 22 - fun time
> several blocks from my house.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005DGCruz.htm
>
> Rosholt Area Threshermen - Rosholt, WI - 2005 (2 pages)
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Rosholt1.htm
>
> Crown Point, IN - 2005 (2 pages)
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005CrownPoint1.htm
>
> Bourbonnais, IL 2005
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Bourbonnais.htm
>
>
> This week (starting today, we have a display at our local County Fair).
> This is in the middle of suburbia ~35 miles west of Chicago.
>
> Steve
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> 




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jul 27 19:08:29 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:08:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
References: <BAY103-F72124C3A8DA4416633C0DC8CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003401c59319$6240b340$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>

I'd appreciate it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures


> Sorry, I don't know who hauled it in. I'll try to find out for you......
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
> ===============================
>
> >From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:37:15 -0400
> >
> >Luke:
> >   Great pics as usual.  Do you know who owns that big 7hp Blue Line
Alamo?
> >I need to ask him a few questions.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Mike Royster
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> >To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:58 PM
> >Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >
> >
> > > Here are some pictures for your viewing pleasure.
> > >
> > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton05/charlton05.html
> > >
> > > Luke Tonneberger
> > > Rockford, Michigan
> > > USA
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
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>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jul 27 19:10:29 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:10:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo
References: <BAY101-F11321734AD62F5D562C978C4CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003f01c59319$872d8520$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>

Thanks Pete, I'll follow up with you.

Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Stauffer" <oldengineman at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo


> Mike,
> What do you need to know about a 7 hp. Alamo Blue Line?  I have an Empire
> (Cream Seperator Co.) 7 hp. that was made by Alamo.  Same as the "Blue
> Line".  It is throttle goverened and setup to start on gasoline and then
run
> on kero.  It is fired by an ignitor with a Wizard Magneto, sorta like a
> Webster.  Maybe I can help.
>
> Pete Stauffer
>
> >From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:58:57 +0000
> >
> >Sorry, I don't know who hauled it in. I'll try to find out for you......
> >
> >Luke Tonneberger
> >Rockford, Michigan
> >USA
> >===============================
> >
> >>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >>Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:37:15 -0400
> >>
> >>Luke:
> >>   Great pics as usual.  Do you know who owns that big 7hp Blue Line
> >>Alamo?
> >>I need to ask him a few questions.
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>Mike Royster
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> >>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:58 PM
> >>Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >>
> >>
> >> > Here are some pictures for your viewing pleasure.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton05/charlton05.html
> >> >
> >> > Luke Tonneberger
> >> > Rockford, Michigan
> >> > USA
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
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> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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> >>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jul 27 19:12:33 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:12:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo
References: <BAY103-F72124C3A8DA4416633C0DC8CC0@phx.gbl>
	<BAY101-F11321734AD62F5D562C978C4CC0@phx.gbl>
	<1550.165.206.180.102.1122475275.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c59319$d122a020$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>

It's the mixer.  Someone has altered mine.  I'd love to see the catalog view
if possible.

Thanks, Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo


> I have a color catelog that might help as well - if I can find it.....
> It's original Alamo issue from about 1919 or so.
>
> Bill
>
> > Mike,
> > What do you need to know about a 7 hp. Alamo Blue Line?  I have an
Empire
> > (Cream Seperator Co.) 7 hp. that was made by Alamo.  Same as the "Blue
> > Line".  It is throttle goverened and setup to start on gasoline and then
> > run
> > on kero.  It is fired by an ignitor with a Wizard Magneto, sorta like a
> > Webster.  Maybe I can help.
> >
> > Pete Stauffer
> >
> >>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >>Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:58:57 +0000
> >>
> >>Sorry, I don't know who hauled it in. I'll try to find out for you......
> >>
> >>Luke Tonneberger
> >>Rockford, Michigan
> >>USA
> >>===============================
> >>
> >>>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> >>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
> >>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >>>Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:37:15 -0400
> >>>
> >>>Luke:
> >>>   Great pics as usual.  Do you know who owns that big 7hp Blue Line
> >>>Alamo?
> >>>I need to ask him a few questions.
> >>>
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>Mike Royster
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> >>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:58 PM
> >>>Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > Here are some pictures for your viewing pleasure.
> >>> >
> >>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton05/charlton05.html
> >>> >
> >>> > Luke Tonneberger
> >>> > Rockford, Michigan
> >>> > USA
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > _______________________________________________
> >>> > SEL mailing list
> >>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>SEL mailing list
> >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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> >>
> >>
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> >
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jul 27 19:36:42 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:36:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
Message-ID: <20050727.224044.252.1.jlb94@juno.com>

what would ya think these would have been used on??  Got me stumped:
=        =        =        =        =        

Oil Level Gage  (not oilers) for  Model "A" or "T" ???  on oil pan.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
\/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From christison at coastalnet.com  Wed Jul 27 20:29:06 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:29:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
Message-ID: <410-2200574283296156@coastalnet.com>

Here is a catalog entry for these oil guages:
http://www.oldiron-nut.com/temp/lunk.jpg

Take care.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: Corky Harris <mtmidway3 at msn.com>
> Date: 7/27/2005 7:06:51 PM
> Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
>
>     what would ya think these would have been used on??  Got me stumped:
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7532930376&category=58177
&rd=1
>
> RickinMt. 






From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jul 27 20:56:58 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:56:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo
In-Reply-To: <004b01c59319$d122a020$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200507280357.j6S3v5Ub038154@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

I found the book - 
There are several engines listed:
Blue line, which does not show a 7hp but came in 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 12 and
15hp , 
(the 6hp cost $176)
"hopper jacket" engine, 

"Standard hopper jacket" engine, 

"standard" which came in 5, 7, 10, 12, 15, 20 and 25hp......

And others................

The pics of the carb aren't great, but tomorrow night I'll try to post some
of the better engine and parts photos from the book.

Bill
  

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:13 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo

It's the mixer.  Someone has altered mine.  I'd love to see the catalog view
if possible.

Thanks, Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo


> I have a color catelog that might help as well - if I can find it.....
> It's original Alamo issue from about 1919 or so.
>
> Bill
>
> > Mike,
> > What do you need to know about a 7 hp. Alamo Blue Line?  I have an
Empire
> > (Cream Seperator Co.) 7 hp. that was made by Alamo.  Same as the "Blue
> > Line".  It is throttle goverened and setup to start on gasoline and then
> > run
> > on kero.  It is fired by an ignitor with a Wizard Magneto, sorta like a
> > Webster.  Maybe I can help.
> >
> > Pete Stauffer
> >
> >>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >>Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:58:57 +0000
> >>
> >>Sorry, I don't know who hauled it in. I'll try to find out for you......
> >>
> >>Luke Tonneberger
> >>Rockford, Michigan
> >>USA
> >>===============================
> >>
> >>>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> >>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
> >>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >>>Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:37:15 -0400
> >>>
> >>>Luke:
> >>>   Great pics as usual.  Do you know who owns that big 7hp Blue Line
> >>>Alamo?
> >>>I need to ask him a few questions.
> >>>
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>Mike Royster
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> >>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:58 PM
> >>>Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > Here are some pictures for your viewing pleasure.
> >>> >
> >>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton05/charlton05.html
> >>> >
> >>> > Luke Tonneberger
> >>> > Rockford, Michigan




From lfevans at pacbell.net  Wed Jul 27 21:27:56 2005
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:27:56 -0700
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
In-Reply-To: <410-2200574283296156@coastalnet.com>
References: <410-2200574283296156@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050727212548.02503a48@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

Ken......

You beat me to it.  I was about to scan the page in my 1908 Lunkenheimer 
catalog when your message came in.  The pictures are the same but the text 
is a little different.  Interesting to note that the price range for Fig. 
529 in 1908 is $0.80 to $1.40.  What year is your catalog?  Its price range 
for same item is $5.70 to $9.00.

Regards,
Larry

At 08:29 PM 7/27/2005, you wrote:
>Here is a catalog entry for these oil guages:
>http://www.oldiron-nut.com/temp/lunk.jpg
>
>Take care.
>
>Ken

Larry Evans
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Wed Jul 27 18:44:31 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:44:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Reminder
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200507272050270546.28EDF31A@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <007a01c59315$e6c20b40$546ea618@pengy>

Spencer,

You need to trash that Antique Tractor.com.  I can't log in.  I tried to get 
a new password.  I still cannot log in.  Its a very user unfriendly site.  I 
give up.

I didn't know that the antique tractor guys were so untrustworthy that you 
have to put a site security system up that's so tight that nobody can get 
in.

Maybe that's why out of the hundreds of ATIS list members there are only 
seven votes for the charity auction proceeds.  Nobody can get into the damn 
site!!

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 8:50 PM
Subject: [SEL] Reminder


> Just a reminder to email me:
>
> yostsw at atis.net
>
> with charity auction nominations and to vote at:
>
>
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/index.php
>
>
> To vote you must create a user account.   It's real easy on this site and
> can be found down on the bottom right hand portion of the screen
>
> Take care,
>
> Spencer Yost
> Owner, ATIS
> Plow the Net!
> http://www.atis.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Wed Jul 27 16:41:45 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:41:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
References: <BAY5-DAV141EC580CB0DB107C18810BBCC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000b01c59304$c01326c0$546ea618@pengy>

Its a sight glass-drain valve combination.  It could be used for any number 
of things.  Could be on a condensate tank where you would check the level of 
condensate and empty it with the cock.  Or perhaps in an oil reservoir where 
you would use the cock to fill your oil can and the sight glass used to tell 
you when the oil tank was empty.

Certainly not an oiler.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Corky Harris" <mtmidway3 at msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:06 PM
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort


>    what would ya think these would have been used on??  Got me stumped:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7532930376&category=58177&rd=1
>
> RickinMt. _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 01:44:11 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:44:11 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Reminder
In-Reply-To: <007a01c59315$e6c20b40$546ea618@pengy>
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200507272050270546.28EDF31A@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<007a01c59315$e6c20b40$546ea618@pengy>
Message-ID: <6f60251605072801446bc04cb0@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/28/05, Rick Rowlands <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com> wrote:
> Spencer,
> 
> You need to trash that Antique Tractor.com.  I can't log in.  I tried to get
> a new password.  I still cannot log in.  Its a very user unfriendly site.  I
> give up.
> 
> I didn't know that the antique tractor guys were so untrustworthy that you
> have to put a site security system up that's so tight that nobody can get
> in.
> 
> Maybe that's why out of the hundreds of ATIS list members there are only
> seven votes for the charity auction proceeds.  Nobody can get into the damn
> site!!
> 
> Rick
> 

Well, I went through the process twice, but each time the system said
that the security number I typed in was incorrect, although in each
case it was the same number. Firefox remembered it the second time as
being the same as I typed the first time, which matched what I read in
the security box. I think there is a problem with the software
somewhere.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 01:47:08 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:47:08 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Reminder
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605072801446bc04cb0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200507272050270546.28EDF31A@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<007a01c59315$e6c20b40$546ea618@pengy>
	<6f60251605072801446bc04cb0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605072801475db5d851@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/28/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, I went through the process twice, but each time the system said
> that the security number I typed in was incorrect, although in each
> case it was the same number. Firefox remembered it the second time as
> being the same as I typed the first time, which matched what I read in
> the security box. I think there is a problem with the software
> somewhere.
> 

Got it on the third attempt.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 01:54:26 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:54:26 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Reminder
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605072801475db5d851@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200507272050270546.28EDF31A@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<007a01c59315$e6c20b40$546ea618@pengy>
	<6f60251605072801446bc04cb0@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f60251605072801475db5d851@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605072801545012292b@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/28/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/28/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I went through the process twice, but each time the system said
> > that the security number I typed in was incorrect, although in each
> > case it was the same number. Firefox remembered it the second time as
> > being the same as I typed the first time, which matched what I read in
> > the security box. I think there is a problem with the software
> > somewhere.
> >
> 
> Got it on the third attempt.
> 

...but I get a login error now...

The system just says "Incorrect login. Please try again..." but no
information about what is wrong.

This is using my login name and the password that the system sent me
by email AND the security number in the box, although it doesn't say
whether you need to enter that number or not.

Got logged in at the third attempt. Again, this was after the security
number changed. Looks like there is either a cookie repeat problem or
something as the number stayed the same for the first two attempts in
both cases (original request for password and login)

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 02:02:28 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:02:28 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Reminder
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605072801545012292b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200507272050270546.28EDF31A@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<007a01c59315$e6c20b40$546ea618@pengy>
	<6f60251605072801446bc04cb0@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f60251605072801475db5d851@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f60251605072801545012292b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160507280202607f7d0@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/28/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:

> ...but I get a login error now...
> 
> The system just says "Incorrect login. Please try again..." but no
> information about what is wrong.
> 
> This is using my login name and the password that the system sent me
> by email AND the security number in the box, although it doesn't say
> whether you need to enter that number or not.
> 
> Got logged in at the third attempt. Again, this was after the security
> number changed. Looks like there is either a cookie repeat problem or
> something as the number stayed the same for the first two attempts in
> both cases (original request for password and login)
> 

OK, it definitely seems to have a problem with the information stored
in cookies. Firefox keeps giving login errors, but Opera logs me in
correctly each time, and also brings up a new security number each
time as well, while Firefox retains the original number for subsequent
logon attempts.

Perhaps Spencer could have a look at that bit of software? also might
be worth ditching the security number for existing members who already
have a password?

Peter 
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From christison at coastalnet.com  Thu Jul 28 03:36:14 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:36:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
Message-ID: <410-220057428103614218@coastalnet.com>

Hi Larry,

The catalog page I scanned was from 1953.  I have a catalog with some
Lunkenheimer items from 1915.  The price range is $1.00 to $1.65 for
fig. 529.

Take care.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Larry Evans <lfevans at pacbell.net>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 7/28/2005 12:44:27 AM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
>
> Ken......
>
> You beat me to it.  I was about to scan the page in my 1908 Lunkenheimer 
> catalog when your message came in.  The pictures are the same but the
text 
> is a little different.  Interesting to note that the price range for Fig. 
> 529 in 1908 is $0.80 to $1.40.  What year is your catalog?  Its price
range 
> for same item is $5.70 to $9.00.
>
> Regards,
> Larry





From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 28 04:05:51 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:05:51 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Setup of List Area at Portland (Second Post)
In-Reply-To: <42E7DFEC.3020500@udata.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F1155B8AE1146F2086E66A2C8CF0@phx.gbl>

Will just be our tent Leroy. No need to worry about space for us. We can 
always just squeeze the tent in behind the campers.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
=================================

>From: "Leroy C." <oldengin at udata.com>
>>>
>Yes at this time I plan to grab the camping ground for the low rent area.  
>You want, or need in?
>
>--
>		C-ya
>
>		  Leroy Clark
>
>"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
>            W.A. NANCE
>
>
>better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 28 04:39:44 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:39:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill Pictures
In-Reply-To: <000f01c592bb$7496b2a0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F5FEC4A8E1614AFC2A3636C8CF0@phx.gbl>

Hi John,

I'm not sure. I don't think it would take much. Maybe 10hp. Similar to a 
buzz rig. Maybe someone else knows.......

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
===========================

>From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
>
>Nice machine Luke, what hp power does it need to
>run professional?
>
>Regards,
>John Hammink
>Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
>jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jul 28 05:48:43 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:48:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill Pictures
In-Reply-To: <42E8120D.7060400@earthlink.net>
References: <BAY103-F248972F52D4E249BB86B2BC8CC0@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0507271042240.59800@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<42E8120D.7060400@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507280847220.72665@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Jeff,

Thanks.  A couple of other posts have indicated that there a lot of these
around and in use.  I'm gonna have to keep my eyes open.  They look pretty
neat.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Jeff Allen wrote:

> Here's  another one with a horizontal blade. Belted up and running. Not
> as nice looking as Lukes, but fun to watch in action.
>
> http://frapa.us/Photos/CiderDays04/CD010.html
> http://frapa.us/Photos/CiderDays04/CD006.html


From jbcast at charter.net  Thu Jul 28 05:45:34 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 8:45:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill Pictures
Message-ID: <4404j6$16487sf@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net>


> 
> I'm not sure. I don't think it would take much. Maybe 10hp. Similar to a 
> buzz rig. Maybe someone else knows.......
> 
> Luke Tonneberger
 Dick Gibbens sets his Perkins shingle mill up at the Cypress Saw Mill Festival every year. He powers it with a Titan Tractor. The width of the shingle makes a big difference in the power required. If the log is too wide it hits the blade stiffener and drags it down, slipping the belt or loading the engine. On a narrow log you can just about cut through on momentum, there's a lot of spinning mass there.
J.B. Castagnos


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jul 28 06:20:58 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:20:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
References: <410-2200574283296156@coastalnet.com>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20050727212548.02503a48@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV410F31CFEB45916465485BBCF0@phx.gbl>

Kewl guys..thanks

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Evans" <lfevans at pacbell.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:27 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort


> Ken......
>
> You beat me to it.  I was about to scan the page in my 1908 Lunkenheimer
> catalog when your message came in.  The pictures are the same but the text
> is a little different.  Interesting to note that the price range for Fig.
> 529 in 1908 is $0.80 to $1.40.  What year is your catalog?  Its price 
> range
> for same item is $5.70 to $9.00.
>
> Regards,
> Larry
>
> At 08:29 PM 7/27/2005, you wrote:
> >Here is a catalog entry for these oil guages:
> >http://www.oldiron-nut.com/temp/lunk.jpg
> >
> >Take care.
> >
> >Ken
>
> Larry Evans
> MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/
>
>
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> 


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Jul 28 08:29:52 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:29:52 +0200
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
References: <410-2200574283296156@coastalnet.com><6.0.1.1.2.20050727212548.02503a48@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>
	<BAY5-DAV410F31CFEB45916465485BBCF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000701c59389$36a0fd10$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Heya Rick, I use them on my HSCS engine, see the pic.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/oilgauges.jpg

We have our National this weekend, see you again next Monday.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



> Kewl guys..thanks
> 
> RickinMt.




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 28 11:56:57 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:56:57 +0000
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
In-Reply-To: <000701c59389$36a0fd10$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F1969ACFE706CA00BB73CD7C8CF0@phx.gbl>

This link works better for me:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/oilgauges.jpg

Very nice looking engine John.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
==============================

>From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
>Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:29:52 +0200
>
>Heya Rick, I use them on my HSCS engine, see the pic.
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/oilgauges.jpg
>
>We have our National this weekend, see you again next Monday.
>
>John Hammink
>Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
>jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
>
>
>
> > Kewl guys..thanks
> >
> > RickinMt.
>
>
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jul 28 02:08:22 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:08:22 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Reminder
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl><200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net><200507272050270546.28EDF31A@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<007a01c59315$e6c20b40$546ea618@pengy>
Message-ID: <006601c59353$e8ed6d90$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 2:44 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Reminder


> Spencer,
> You need to trash that Antique Tractor.com.  I can't log in.  I tried to get 
> a new password.  I still cannot log in.  Its a very user unfriendly site.  I 
> give up.
> I didn't know that the antique tractor guys were so untrustworthy that you 
> have to put a site security system up that's so tight that nobody can get 
> in.
> Maybe that's why out of the hundreds of ATIS list members there are only 
> seven votes for the charity auction proceeds.  Nobody can get into the damn 
> site!! Rick

Hi Spencer, I also find this site impossible to use.
I tried to register & it said I was already registered & gave a password.
It won't let me use it. Also the security number is almost impossible to read.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jul 28 12:50:52 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:50:52 +0100
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
References: <410-2200574283296156@coastalnet.com><6.0.1.1.2.20050727212548.02503a48@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com><BAY5-DAV410F31CFEB45916465485BBCF0@phx.gbl>
	<000701c59389$36a0fd10$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <001f01c593ad$aa9c6a50$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort


> Heya Rick, I use them on my HSCS engine, see the pic.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/oilgauges.jpg
> We have our National this weekend, see you again next Monday.
> John Hammink

Hi John, I cannot get anything on this picture!
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Jul 28 16:48:58 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:48:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Webster inverted
Message-ID: <20050728.164858.1364.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  Are there any records for Webster inverted engines?  A friend
just found #2317 and would like to know the age.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 28 19:01:04 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:01:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Reminder
In-Reply-To: <007a01c59315$e6c20b40$546ea618@pengy>
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>	<200507272050270546.28EDF31A@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<007a01c59315$e6c20b40$546ea618@pengy>
Message-ID: <42E98DE0.5090801@earthlink.net>

Hi Rick,

Took me several tries and it works sometimes. Much better than trying to 
check my motel reservation tonight. After the phone call to 1 800 India, 
I now have another useless confirmation number. Might be sleeping in the 
truck. Can't remember what Spencer gets paid for this, but I'm sure it's 
not enough for all the grief.

Jeff Allen



Rick Rowlands wrote:

> Spencer,
>
> You need to trash that Antique Tractor.com.  I can't log in.  I tried 
> to get a new password.  I still cannot log in.  Its a very user 
> unfriendly site.  I give up.
>
> I didn't know that the antique tractor guys were so untrustworthy that 
> you have to put a site security system up that's so tight that nobody 
> can get in.
>
> Maybe that's why out of the hundreds of ATIS list members there are 
> only seven votes for the charity auction proceeds.  Nobody can get 
> into the damn site!!
>
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
> To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 8:50 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Reminder
>
>
>> Just a reminder to email me:
>>
>> yostsw at atis.net
>>
>> with charity auction nominations and to vote at:
>>
>>
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/index.php
>>
>>
>> To vote you must create a user account.   It's real easy on this site 
>> and
>> can be found down on the bottom right hand portion of the screen
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Spencer Yost
>> Owner, ATIS
>> Plow the Net!
>> http://www.atis.net
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jul 28 19:06:02 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:06:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo
References: <BAY101-F11321734AD62F5D562C978C4CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000901c593e2$12af56a0$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>

Hi List:
  Mine is a 7hp hopper cooled blue line Alamo, hit & miss, with the Wizard
type 61, model 4, magneto and ignitor.  The mixer has been altered and if
someone had a drawing of the internal parts, what a help that would be.  I
would also like to see how the fuel lines ran originally.  All help is
appreciated  and you folks are the greatest!!!!

Mike Royster

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Stauffer" <oldengineman at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo


> Mike,
> What do you need to know about a 7 hp. Alamo Blue Line?  I have an Empire
> (Cream Seperator Co.) 7 hp. that was made by Alamo.  Same as the "Blue
> Line".  It is throttle goverened and setup to start on gasoline and then
run
> on kero.  It is fired by an ignitor with a Wizard Magneto, sorta like a
> Webster.  Maybe I can help.
>
> Pete Stauffer
>
> >From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:58:57 +0000
> >
> >Sorry, I don't know who hauled it in. I'll try to find out for you......
> >
> >Luke Tonneberger
> >Rockford, Michigan
> >USA
> >===============================
> >
> >>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >>Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:37:15 -0400
> >>
> >>Luke:
> >>   Great pics as usual.  Do you know who owns that big 7hp Blue Line
> >>Alamo?
> >>I need to ask him a few questions.
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>Mike Royster
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> >>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:58 PM
> >>Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >>
> >>
> >> > Here are some pictures for your viewing pleasure.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton05/charlton05.html
> >> >
> >> > Luke Tonneberger
> >> > Rockford, Michigan
> >> > USA
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > SEL mailing list
> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
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> >
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Jul 28 19:09:54 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:09:54 EDT
Subject: [SEL]  Bacharach Testor
Message-ID: <15d.55996d47.301ae9f2@aol.com>

Hi List,
This last weekend I found a Bacharach test set up at a garage  sale.  It is 
an interesting piece of recording equipment.  However, no  instruction manual 
came with the unit.  There is chart identified as "ARCCO  Emco Integrator 
Charts".  I tried a search on Google and I wasn't too  successful.  It has a stylus 
that seems to be controlled by pressure.   It has small metal vertical 
rotating drum on which the stylus rests.  It  also has small pulleys for some type 
of belt drive.
I saw a similar item at a steam related equipment sale several  years ago.  
If I remember correctly, I think this type of test equipment is  used to check 
out the efficiency of a steam engine.  Does anyone know what  I have?  I can 
send pictures to anyone wanting them please let me know.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Thu Jul 28 19:36:24 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:36:24 EDT
Subject: [SEL]  Bacharach Testor
Message-ID: <8c.2bd320aa.301af028@aol.com>

Hi Francis,
That sounds to me like you have a steam engine "indicator" which is used to 
measure pressure over various points in the operation of the engine which would 
then allow for proper setting of the valve train, and, measure engine 
performance.  I have one much like what you describe, but of another brand.  I think 
mine was made by Crosby.
Regards,
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia USA



In a message dated 7/28/2005 10:28:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
FRM8198 at aol.com writes:
Hi List,
This last weekend I found a Bacharach test set up at a garage  sale.  It is 
an interesting piece of recording equipment.  However, no  instruction manual 
came with the unit.  There is chart identified as "ARCCO  Emco Integrator 
Charts".  I tried a search on Google and I wasn't too  successful.  It has a 
stylus 
that seems to be controlled by pressure.   It has small metal vertical 
rotating drum on which the stylus rests.  It  also has small pulleys for some 
type 
of belt drive.
I saw a similar item at a steam related equipment sale several  years ago.  
If I remember correctly, I think this type of test equipment is  used to 
check 
out the efficiency of a steam engine.  Does anyone know what  I have?  I can 
send pictures to anyone wanting them please let me know.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Jul 28 20:00:51 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:00:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] New Project -- Wisconsin Model MBKND Status
Message-ID: <198.43c175ef.301af5e3@aol.com>

Hi List,
I must be a glutton for punishment.  No sooner than I finished  with the 
Briggs & Stratton Model ZZ, I am starting to work on a Wisconsin  Model MBKND.  It 
is a single cylinder air cooled engine with shielded  ignition and spark 
plug.  The engine turns over easy and seems to have good  compression.  From the 
information I obtained on the Internet, this engine  was used by the military 
on a pump.  I received the engine with no gas  tank.  However, I was able to 
rework an existing gas tank to fit the  engine.
The magneto puts out a very hot spark.  The 7/8" diameter  output shaft is 
not keyed and only has 1" threaded section (7/8" 14 tpi).   I am using a 
Browning pulley with a taper bushing which I hope will be able to  hold the pulley to 
the shaft without a key.  The exhaust system was missing  and I intend to 
build one from some 1" pipe and a piece of 2" x 4" x  3" rectangular tubing.
Depending on what I have to do tomorrow on home chores and other  
commitments, I am hoping that I will able to try to start this engine no later  than 
Sunday.
I have a Wisconsin Model BKN manual on order and should be  here in about a 
week.  I think that only differences between the Model  MBKND and the Model BKN 
is the shield ignition system.  Can anyone confirm  this for me?  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Jul 28 20:01:51 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:01:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL]  Bacharach Testor
Message-ID: <7b.4a1bb370.301af61f@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/28/2005 7:43:32 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
MaytagTwin at aol.com writes:

That  sounds to me like you have a steam engine "indicator" which is used to  
measure pressure over various points in the operation of the engine which  
would 
then allow for proper setting of the valve train, and, measure  engine 
performance.


Thanks Ron,  

Francis



From bboyce at swat.coop  Thu Jul 28 20:35:02 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:35:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT, older jeep pickup
Message-ID: <000a01c593ee$816c38e0$6401a8c0@BillyBob>

hello all,,, recently acquired a late 40's or early 50's jeep pickup,,, can anyone confirm the
engine oil capacity, it had a small 4 cyl ,,the stop on the dip stick is missing,,, also, it has a PTO shaft that runs to the rear of the frame, just like a tractor PTO, could this be a factory addition? what would it have been used for ? 
thanks,,
bill boyce 
lost prairie, arkansas

From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Thu Jul 28 20:46:01 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:46:01 EDT
Subject: [SEL] OT, older jeep pickup
Message-ID: <156.55d8a16f.301b0079@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/28/2005 11:43:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
bboyce at swat.coop writes:
hello all,,, recently acquired a late 40's or early 50's jeep pickup,,, can 
anyone confirm the
engine oil capacity, it had a small 4 cyl ,,the stop on the dip stick is 
missing,,, also, it has a PTO shaft that runs to the rear of the frame, just like 
a tractor PTO, could this be a factory addition? what would it have been used 
for ? 
thanks,,
bill boyce 
lost prairie, arkansas
Hi Bill,
Can't help with the oil capacity, but I have seen a 1950 jeep equipped with a 
5 foot bush hog mower on the back.  It has a PTO running it.
Good luck with your Jeep.
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia USA


From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jul 28 20:46:47 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 04:46:47 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SEL]  Bacharach Testor
In-Reply-To: <15d.55996d47.301ae9f2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050729034647.29238.qmail@web25503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>


--- FRM8198 at aol.com wrote:

> Hi List,
> This last weekend I found a Bacharach test set up at a garage  sale.  It is 
> an interesting piece of recording equipment.  

Sounds like an Engine Indicator recorder, used for working out the Brake Mean Effective Pressure
and thus calculating the horsepower of an engine.

In steam days, they were connected directly to the cylinder through a special cock and the
recorder recorded the pressure diagram on the chart during the working cycle of the engine.  It
could also be used to check on the operating efficiency of the valve gear and assist in making
timing adjustments to get the maximum efficiency out of the engine.

I would imagine the same happens on larger IC engines.

Regards

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea


		
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jul 28 20:47:45 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:47:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT, older jeep pickup
References: <000a01c593ee$816c38e0$6401a8c0@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <003701c593f0$482efc00$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>

Bill:
  Flathead (L-head ) or overhead valve(F-head) are all 4 quarts, 5 with a
filter.

Mike Royster
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Boyce" <bboyce at swat.coop>
To: "stationary engine list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:35 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT, older jeep pickup


hello all,,, recently acquired a late 40's or early 50's jeep pickup,,, can
anyone confirm the
engine oil capacity, it had a small 4 cyl ,,the stop on the dip stick is
missing,,, also, it has a PTO shaft that runs to the rear of the frame, just
like a tractor PTO, could this be a factory addition? what would it have
been used for ?
thanks,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jul 28 20:48:54 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:48:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT, older jeep pickup
References: <000a01c593ee$816c38e0$6401a8c0@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <003b01c593f0$70f27860$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>

PS:  The PTO is an option, can run a pump sprayer, sawmill, etc.

Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Boyce" <bboyce at swat.coop>
To: "stationary engine list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:35 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT, older jeep pickup


hello all,,, recently acquired a late 40's or early 50's jeep pickup,,, can
anyone confirm the
engine oil capacity, it had a small 4 cyl ,,the stop on the dip stick is
missing,,, also, it has a PTO shaft that runs to the rear of the frame, just
like a tractor PTO, could this be a factory addition? what would it have
been used for ?
thanks,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas
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SEL mailing list
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jul 28 21:07:27 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:07:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo
In-Reply-To: <000901c593e2$12af56a0$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200507290407.j6T47Wif032219@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

http://antique-engines.com/images/alamo-bl--1.jpg

I'll try to get more later...........


Bill 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 9:06 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo

Hi List:
  Mine is a 7hp hopper cooled blue line Alamo, hit & miss, with the Wizard
type 61, model 4, magneto and ignitor.  The mixer has been altered and if
someone had a drawing of the internal parts, what a help that would be.  I
would also like to see how the fuel lines ran originally.  All help is
appreciated  and you folks are the greatest!!!!

Mike Royster





From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jul 28 21:31:22 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:31:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo
References: <200507290407.j6T47Wif032219@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <001701c593f6$5fe66620$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>

That is the ticket!!!!!!

Thanks,
Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 12:07 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo


> http://antique-engines.com/images/alamo-bl--1.jpg
>
> I'll try to get more later...........
>
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 9:06 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo
>
> Hi List:
>   Mine is a 7hp hopper cooled blue line Alamo, hit & miss, with the Wizard
> type 61, model 4, magneto and ignitor.  The mixer has been altered and if
> someone had a drawing of the internal parts, what a help that would be.  I
> would also like to see how the fuel lines ran originally.  All help is
> appreciated  and you folks are the greatest!!!!
>
> Mike Royster
>
>
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 22:24:36 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:24:36 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Bacharach Testor
In-Reply-To: <15d.55996d47.301ae9f2@aol.com>
References: <15d.55996d47.301ae9f2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160507282224f4af6f0@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/29/05, FRM8198 at aol.com <FRM8198 at aol.com> wrote:
> Hi List,
> This last weekend I found a Bacharach test set up at a garage  sale.  It is
> an interesting piece of recording equipment.  However, no  instruction manual
> came with the unit.  There is chart identified as "ARCCO  Emco Integrator
> Charts".  I tried a search on Google and I wasn't too  successful.  It has a stylus
> that seems to be controlled by pressure.   It has small metal vertical
> rotating drum on which the stylus rests.  It  also has small pulleys for some type
> of belt drive.
> I saw a similar item at a steam related equipment sale several  years ago.
> If I remember correctly, I think this type of test equipment is  used to check
> out the efficiency of a steam engine.  Does anyone know what  I have?  I can
> send pictures to anyone wanting them please let me know.
> 
> Francis Maciel
> Santa Maria,  CA
> 

Pictures of a couple of their instruments on our website at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Indicator/Indicator2.htm

The BKN Wisconsin manual doesn't mention the other models in the same
range, and their is no mention of the shielded ignition in that book.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Jul 29 00:53:33 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:53:33 +0800
Subject: [SEL]  Bacharach Testor
References: <15d.55996d47.301ae9f2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c59412$a252e170$669e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Francis ....have a look at http://homepages.strath.ac.uk/~clcs20/steam.htm 
Mechanical Indicator.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 10:09 AM
Subject: [SEL] Bacharach Testor


> Hi List,
> This last weekend I found a Bacharach test set up at a garage  sale.  It 
> is
> an interesting piece of recording equipment.  However, no  instruction 
> manual
> came with the unit.  There is chart identified as "ARCCO  Emco Integrator
> Charts".  I tried a search on Google and I wasn't too  successful.  It has 
> a stylus
> that seems to be controlled by pressure.   It has small metal vertical
> rotating drum on which the stylus rests.  It  also has small pulleys for 
> some type
> of belt drive.
> I saw a similar item at a steam related equipment sale several  years ago.
> If I remember correctly, I think this type of test equipment is  used to 
> check
> out the efficiency of a steam engine.  Does anyone know what  I have?  I 
> can
> send pictures to anyone wanting them please let me know.
>
> Francis Maciel
> Santa Maria,  CA
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Fri Jul 29 01:33:15 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:33:15 +1000
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
In-Reply-To: <410-2200574283296156@coastalnet.com>
References: <410-2200574283296156@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <42E9E9CB.5010307@steamengine.com.au>

Most of the Lunk catalog is online on my site been there a couple of 
years now...
http://www.steamengine.com.au/misc/lubrication/index.html

Paul

Ken Christison wrote:
> Here is a catalog entry for these oil guages:
> http://www.oldiron-nut.com/temp/lunk.jpg
> 
> Take care.
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> 
>>[Original Message]
>>From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>>To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Cc: Corky Harris <mtmidway3 at msn.com>
>>Date: 7/27/2005 7:06:51 PM
>>Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
>>
>>    what would ya think these would have been used on??  Got me stumped:
>>
>>
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7532930376&category=58177
> &rd=1
> 
>>RickinMt. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 

-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


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From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jul 29 01:50:17 2005
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:20:17 +0930
Subject: [SEL] show , South African style
Message-ID: <000301c5941a$8ce42670$19c08890@chaos>

http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/vsimages/Engines.jpg
http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/vsimages/Engines1.jpg
http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/vsimages/Engines2.jpg



From page at velocitynet.com.au  Fri Jul 29 02:19:57 2005
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:19:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] show , South African style
References: <000301c5941a$8ce42670$19c08890@chaos>
Message-ID: <009301c5941e$b52b4a10$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Thanks for showing Derek.  

Ron
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "derek" <djohn2 at bigpond.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 6:50 PM
Subject: [SEL] show , South African style


> http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/vsimages/Engines.jpg
> http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/vsimages/Engines1.jpg
> http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/vsimages/Engines2.jpg
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Fri Jul 29 04:13:29 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:13:29 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Away for a while
References: <000301c5941a$8ce42670$19c08890@chaos>
	<009301c5941e$b52b4a10$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <000a01c5942e$8c662cc0$55761fd3@morris>

We are going on a short trip (5 weeks) to Queensland, need to check out this 
grey nomad life style, check back in again when we return,.
Dave try to behave, Reg hold the jokes.8-))

All the best to you all

Kerry
Lithgow NSW Oz 



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From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Jul 28 20:09:36 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:09:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Reminder
In-Reply-To: <42E98DE0.5090801@earthlink.net>
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200507272050270546.28EDF31A@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<007a01c59315$e6c20b40$546ea618@pengy>
	<42E98DE0.5090801@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050728230433.03fd7348@mail.alltel.net>

At 10:01 PM 7/28/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Rick,
>  Can't remember what Spencer gets paid for this, but I'm sure it's not 
> enough for all the grief.
>Jeff Allen

Hi Jeff,
         Spencer get's paid NOTHING for providing the List(s) for us. Which 
is why we all owe him a BIG vote of thanks, and why Rick's BITCHING should 
have been off list and directly to Spencer!
         Dave 



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Jul 29 06:14:14 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:14:14 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Bacharach Testor
Message-ID: <da.29d2527e.301b85a6@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/28/2005 10:43:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
listerdiesel at gmail.com writes:

Pictures  of a couple of their instruments on our website  at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Indicator/Indicator2.htm


Thanks Peter.  
The Bacharch shown on your site is very similar to the one I  have.
 
 
 
Francis


From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Fri Jul 29 06:38:00 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:38:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
In-Reply-To: <038801c59315$ddd642d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <20050729133800.75770.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>

Reg

There was a sheldon tag, but I didn't take a picture of it...should
have... I have to find a file I got, but it has a list of the 55+
companies that sold waterloo built engines.  I will get that sent off to
you.  It probably is on my old computer...

Steve

--- R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:

>  Re Crown Point. The Sheldon is a dead ringer of the Waterloo Big Chief.
> Any 
> pics of the engine plate?
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Barr" <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:18 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
> 
> 
> >
> > Been running crazy....Show pictures from the past several shows are
> now on
> > the web page...There seem to be more tractor pictures, but Some of
> them
> > are really good tractors and not the common run of the mill....red vs
> > green vs blue vs orange...
> >
> > If you have any feedback, pages loads too slow, let me know offlist. 
> I
> > can split into more pages if needed.  Should be ok on high speed.
> >
> >
> > Will County, IL 2005 - Engines and tractors were down due to the heat
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005WillCounty1.htm
> >
> > Downtown Downers Grove, IL - Friday Night Cruz In July 22 - fun time
> > several blocks from my house.
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005DGCruz.htm
> >
> > Rosholt Area Threshermen - Rosholt, WI - 2005 (2 pages)
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Rosholt1.htm
> >
> > Crown Point, IN - 2005 (2 pages)
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005CrownPoint1.htm
> >
> > Bourbonnais, IL 2005
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Bourbonnais.htm
> >
> >
> > This week (starting today, we have a display at our local County
> Fair).
> > This is in the middle of suburbia ~35 miles west of Chicago.
> >
> > Steve
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jul 29 06:44:35 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:44:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT, older jeep pickup
In-Reply-To: <003b01c593f0$70f27860$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>
References: <000a01c593ee$816c38e0$6401a8c0@BillyBob>
	<003b01c593f0$70f27860$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <2482.165.206.180.102.1122644675.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

So the rest can see the answer from a former Jeep shop person:

>  -----Original Message-----
> From:         Tom Larson [mailto:A1970AMX at mn.rr.com]
> Sent:        Friday, July 29, 2005 12:15 AM
> To:        bboyce at swat.coop
> Subject:        Willys Pickup questions
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Bill Dickerson from Iowa posted on the AMC Forum that you had some
> questions about Your newly acquired Willys Pickup. My dad and I used to
> run a shop called Willys Minneapolis, out of Farmington MN. We repaired
> and restored the old Willys Jeeps. The oil capacity is 4 quarts if no
> filter canister, and 5 quarts if it has the filter canister. The filter
> was optional, and you REALLY don't want it! It is a bypass type filter,
> not a full-flow like on newer engines. It actually bleeds oil pressure off
> the front main bearing and can cause bearing failure. If it has the
> filter, I suggest disconnecting the line that goes in towards the top of
> the filter and put a small plug in the line, then run 4 quarts. The PTO
> was usually a dealer-installed item on the pickups, and generally used as
> a stationary power source for  driving a grain elevator or possibly a
> small bailer or manure spreader. There were many different types of
> implements available in the late 40's and thru the 50's for the Jeeps, but
> due to it's size, the pickups would be more likely to use the ones I
> mentioned.
>
> There are several vendors around the country that specialize in Willys
> parts, here are a couple that I'd recommend:
>
> http://www.northstarwillys.com/ (Our old shop, formerly Willys
> Minneapolis)
>
> http://willysamerica.com/
>
>
> Feel free to contact me if you have any other questions......
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Tom Larson
> Bloomington MN



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jul 29 06:53:13 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:53:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] show , South African style
In-Reply-To: <000301c5941a$8ce42670$19c08890@chaos>
References: <000301c5941a$8ce42670$19c08890@chaos>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050729095010.02230020@mail.alltel.net>

At 04:50 AM 7/29/2005, you wrote:
>http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/vsimages/Engines.jpg
>http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/vsimages/Engines1.jpg
>http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/vsimages/Engines2.jpg

Great pictures derek. The "fences" should make Reg cry!
         Dave
PS, I was under the impression that the South African government had taken 
all the engines away from the Afrikaners and given them to the blacks. Are 
these an old set of pictures?  



From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Fri Jul 29 06:54:48 2005
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:54:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
Message-ID: <002401c59445$18d20b00$2d680b42@computer>

Steve,
  I can get a picture of Sheldon Miller's (the owner of the Sheldon engine)
engine if you need a picture of the tag.  Sheldon will be at our show in
Valparaiso the last of Sep. but I can go to his house and get a picture
before that time if you want.     George
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Reports


>Reg
>
>There was a sheldon tag, but I didn't take a picture of it...should
>have... I have to find a file I got, but it has a list of the 55+
>companies that sold waterloo built engines.  I will get that sent off to
>you.  It probably is on my old computer...
>
>Steve
>
>--- R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
>
>>  Re Crown Point. The Sheldon is a dead ringer of the Waterloo Big Chief.
>> Any
>> pics of the engine plate?
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Barr" <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:18 PM
>> Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Been running crazy....Show pictures from the past several shows are
>> now on
>> > the web page...There seem to be more tractor pictures, but Some of
>> them
>> > are really good tractors and not the common run of the mill....red vs
>> > green vs blue vs orange...
>> >
>> > If you have any feedback, pages loads too slow, let me know offlist.
>> I
>> > can split into more pages if needed.  Should be ok on high speed.
>> >
>> >
>> > Will County, IL 2005 - Engines and tractors were down due to the heat
>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005WillCounty1.htm
>> >
>> > Downtown Downers Grove, IL - Friday Night Cruz In July 22 - fun time
>> > several blocks from my house.
>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005DGCruz.htm
>> >
>> > Rosholt Area Threshermen - Rosholt, WI - 2005 (2 pages)
>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Rosholt1.htm
>> >
>> > Crown Point, IN - 2005 (2 pages)
>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005CrownPoint1.htm
>> >
>> > Bourbonnais, IL 2005
>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Bourbonnais.htm
>> >
>> >
>> > This week (starting today, we have a display at our local County
>> Fair).
>> > This is in the middle of suburbia ~35 miles west of Chicago.
>> >
>> > Steve
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 29 07:08:26 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:08:26 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Allendale, Michigan Show Pictures
Message-ID: <BAY103-F34A8DE1FA92964ACB3286FC8CE0@phx.gbl>

Hello Everyone,

I have put up a page showing some items that were of interest to me at this 
show. Hope you enjoy them too.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale05/allendale05.html

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 29 07:35:18 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:35:18 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Bacharach Testor
In-Reply-To: <da.29d2527e.301b85a6@aol.com>
References: <da.29d2527e.301b85a6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160507290735444416fe@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/29/05, FRM8198 at aol.com <FRM8198 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 7/28/2005 10:43:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> listerdiesel at gmail.com writes:
> 
> Pictures  of a couple of their instruments on our website  at:
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Indicator/Indicator2.htm
> 
> 
> Thanks Peter.
> The Bacharch shown on your site is very similar to the one I  have.
> 
> 
> 
> Francis
> 

I think that picture came out of a book on indictors, I'll have a look
tonight when I get home.

We have about 10 of these (different manufacturers) in our collection,
plus one that came with the Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR horizontal diesel.
Pictures of that one in place on the engine are also on the website.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 29 07:37:19 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:37:19 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT, older jeep pickup
In-Reply-To: <2482.165.206.180.102.1122644675.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
References: <000a01c593ee$816c38e0$6401a8c0@BillyBob>
	<003b01c593f0$70f27860$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>
	<2482.165.206.180.102.1122644675.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605072907374524a362@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/29/05, bill at antique-engines.com <bill at antique-engines.com> wrote:
> So the rest can see the answer from a former Jeep shop person:
> 

Interesting to see that comment about the bleed oil filter, these were
popular around the 1930's and 1940's before being replaced by full
flow types after that.

Nice to get a bit of insight on the bearing problem....

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Fri Jul 29 07:37:56 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:37:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Reminder
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200507272050270546.28EDF31A@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<007a01c59315$e6c20b40$546ea618@pengy>
	<42E98DE0.5090801@earthlink.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050728230433.03fd7348@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <001201c5944b$1c234a20$546ea618@pengy>

As if you've never bitched at anyone on this list before Dave!! Your 
bitching posts are legendary.

I do want to apologize for my post the other night.  I shouldn't have made 
it at all, I had a massive headache at the time and should have just went to 
bed but I read his post and decided to log in.  After about 10 minutes 
beating my head against the monitor screen I got pissed and fired off that 
post. I am sorry about that.

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Reminder


> At 10:01 PM 7/28/2005, you wrote:
>>Hi Rick,
>>  Can't remember what Spencer gets paid for this, but I'm sure it's not 
>> enough for all the grief.
>>Jeff Allen
>
> Hi Jeff,
>         Spencer get's paid NOTHING for providing the List(s) for us. Which 
> is why we all owe him a BIG vote of thanks, and why Rick's BITCHING should 
> have been off list and directly to Spencer!
>         Dave
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jul 29 08:05:15 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:05:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT, older jeep pickup
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605072907374524a362@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000a01c593ee$816c38e0$6401a8c0@BillyBob>
	<003b01c593f0$70f27860$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>
	<2482.165.206.180.102.1122644675.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
	<6f60251605072907374524a362@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2928.165.206.180.102.1122649515.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

Tom said that if we had a VIN, he could get the year of mfgr on that vehicle.

Bill

> On 7/29/05, bill at antique-engines.com <bill at antique-engines.com> wrote:
>> So the rest can see the answer from a former Jeep shop person:
>>
>
> Interesting to see that comment about the bleed oil filter, these were
> popular around the 1930's and 1940's before being replaced by full
> flow types after that.
>
> Nice to get a bit of insight on the bearing problem....
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jul 29 08:37:16 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:37:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Galloway cream separator
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV12A8E8D04DA67C4E8B50C2BBCE0@phx.gbl>

Howdy all from nice weather Mt...with a little earthquake thrown in to keep 
it exciting.

  Well I picked up a #10 Galloway cream separator the the other day, but 
it's missing the hand crank and shaft and "Driver" gear plus a guard.

  Does anyone collect cream separators on the list or know of someone that 
does?

  Long shot but thought I'd try.

TIA
RickinMt. 


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 29 09:15:03 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:15:03 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT, older jeep pickup
In-Reply-To: <2928.165.206.180.102.1122649515.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
References: <000a01c593ee$816c38e0$6401a8c0@BillyBob>
	<003b01c593f0$70f27860$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>
	<2482.165.206.180.102.1122644675.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
	<6f60251605072907374524a362@mail.gmail.com>
	<2928.165.206.180.102.1122649515.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605072909154996e415@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/29/05, bill at antique-engines.com <bill at antique-engines.com> wrote:
> Tom said that if we had a VIN, he could get the year of mfgr on that vehicle.
> 
> Bill
> 

Bit old for a VIN isn't it?? :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jul 29 09:25:10 2005
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:55:10 +0930
Subject: [SEL] show , South African style
References: <000301c5941a$8ce42670$19c08890@chaos>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050729095010.02230020@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <000601c5945a$17e22030$19c08890@chaos>

Not my pictures. Was searching African links using http://www.google.co.za/, 
gives better local results.
thumbnails of their show, mainly tractors 
http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/photo%20gallery.htm

A picture from a museum
http://iwr.ru.ac.za/~iwdf/lathe/agmuseum/agbandsawMVC-231F.JPG
and the description on the page says :-  This bandsaw is standing just 
outside the side roof and may well work. Note how it is chained to the roof 
support! This museum is just a stones throw from a semi formal settlement 
and anything not tied down goes walkabout .


To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] show , South African style


> At 04:50 AM 7/29/2005, you wrote:
>>http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/vsimages/Engines.jpg
>>http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/vsimages/Engines1.jpg
>>http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/vsimages/Engines2.jpg
>
> Great pictures derek. The "fences" should make Reg cry!
>         Dave
> PS, I was under the impression that the South African government had taken 
> all the engines away from the Afrikaners and given them to the blacks. Are 
> these an old set of pictures?
> 




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 29 11:34:57 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:34:57 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Changes at Portland
Message-ID: <BAY103-F29ED592C9427F9B5F182F8C8CE0@phx.gbl>

I took some time to make some new pictures/maps of the Portland Showgrounds. 
You will be able to see the changes to the display areas (in case you don't 
get the newsletter).

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/portland/portlandgrounds.html

I guess if nobody can get to the showgrounds to rope off an area for SEL 
members then we won't have to worry if we stay in the same spot or move. Not 
much input from the peanut gallery. What's up with that??

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 29 11:43:18 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:43:18 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Reminder
In-Reply-To: <001201c5944b$1c234a20$546ea618@pengy>
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200507272050270546.28EDF31A@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<007a01c59315$e6c20b40$546ea618@pengy>
	<42E98DE0.5090801@earthlink.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050728230433.03fd7348@mail.alltel.net>
	<001201c5944b$1c234a20$546ea618@pengy>
Message-ID: <6f602516050729114339e0b303@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/29/05, Rick Rowlands <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com> wrote:

> I do want to apologize for my post the other night.  I shouldn't have made
> it at all, I had a massive headache at the time and should have just went to
> bed but I read his post and decided to log in.  After about 10 minutes
> beating my head against the monitor screen I got pissed and fired off that
> post. I am sorry about that.
> 
> Rick
> 

We've all been there...

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jul 29 14:42:13 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:42:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
References: <002401c59445$18d20b00$2d680b42@computer>
Message-ID: <075401c59486$66253490$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

George, I would like a decent pic of the engine and a close up of the plate 
if possible. It is a new one on me and seems a 'badge engineering' job.
As I said, it is a dead ringer of my Waterloo Big Chief.  No rush on it.
Thanks.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George & Norma Armstrong" <gnarmstrong at netnitco.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Reports


> Steve,
>  I can get a picture of Sheldon Miller's (the owner of the Sheldon engine)
> engine if you need a picture of the tag.  Sheldon will be at our show in
> Valparaiso the last of Sep. but I can go to his house and get a picture
> before that time if you want.     George
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Reports
>
>
>>Reg
>>
>>There was a sheldon tag, but I didn't take a picture of it...should
>>have... I have to find a file I got, but it has a list of the 55+
>>companies that sold waterloo built engines.  I will get that sent off to
>>you.  It probably is on my old computer...
>>
>>Steve
>>
>>--- R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>>  Re Crown Point. The Sheldon is a dead ringer of the Waterloo Big Chief.
>>> Any
>>> pics of the engine plate?
>>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Steve Barr" <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
>>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:18 PM
>>> Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Been running crazy....Show pictures from the past several shows are
>>> now on
>>> > the web page...There seem to be more tractor pictures, but Some of
>>> them
>>> > are really good tractors and not the common run of the mill....red vs
>>> > green vs blue vs orange...
>>> >
>>> > If you have any feedback, pages loads too slow, let me know offlist.
>>> I
>>> > can split into more pages if needed.  Should be ok on high speed.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Will County, IL 2005 - Engines and tractors were down due to the heat
>>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005WillCounty1.htm
>>> >
>>> > Downtown Downers Grove, IL - Friday Night Cruz In July 22 - fun time
>>> > several blocks from my house.
>>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005DGCruz.htm
>>> >
>>> > Rosholt Area Threshermen - Rosholt, WI - 2005 (2 pages)
>>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Rosholt1.htm
>>> >
>>> > Crown Point, IN - 2005 (2 pages)
>>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005CrownPoint1.htm
>>> >
>>> > Bourbonnais, IL 2005
>>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Bourbonnais.htm
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > This week (starting today, we have a display at our local County
>>> Fair).
>>> > This is in the middle of suburbia ~35 miles west of Chicago.
>>> >
>>> > Steve
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > SEL mailing list
>>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Fri Jul 29 15:51:55 2005
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:51:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] ID my conrod...
Message-ID: <002c01c59490$1eea4c00$151c7546@satx.rr.com>

I received a conrod that was supposed to be for a stover model w 3 hp..but i dont think this one is right...there is a number Y80 on the side. Does anyone have a clue what its for?  Tom

From transteck at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 29 16:51:23 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:51:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Allendale, Michigan Show Pictures
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F34A8DE1FA92964ACB3286FC8CE0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F34A8DE1FA92964ACB3286FC8CE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42EAC0FB.4050804@earthlink.net>

Thanks for the great pictures Luke. I love a good draft horse pull and 
it looks like you had a good one. I also like branding the shingles. 
I'll have to bring it up at my clubs meeting. Great souvenir and 
reminder for the guests of their visit. Short one and I are pumped up 
tonight. Big steam tractors and more in our day tomorrow. Off to:
http://www.networksplus.net/threshershow/

Back in a couple days.

Jeff Allen

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> I have put up a page showing some items that were of interest to me at 
> this show. Hope you enjoy them too.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale05/allendale05.html
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 29 17:32:11 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:32:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for Elden DuRand
Message-ID: <005d01c5949e$20d068c0$00000003@x8h7l9>

I need some help and can't find Elden. Elden, do you have your ears on? edstoller at earthlink dot net 

From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Fri Jul 29 18:18:48 2005
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:18:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
Message-ID: <000401c594a4$a6571740$13680b42@computer>

Reg,
   I will get it to you.      George
-----Original Message-----
From: R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, July 29, 2005 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Reports


>George, I would like a decent pic of the engine and a close up of the plate
>if possible. It is a new one on me and seems a 'badge engineering' job.
>As I said, it is a dead ringer of my Waterloo Big Chief.  No rush on it.
>Thanks.
>Reg & Marg Ingold.
>Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "George & Norma Armstrong" <gnarmstrong at netnitco.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:54 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Reports
>
>
>> Steve,
>>  I can get a picture of Sheldon Miller's (the owner of the Sheldon
engine)
>> engine if you need a picture of the tag.  Sheldon will be at our show in
>> Valparaiso the last of Sep. but I can go to his house and get a picture
>> before that time if you want.     George
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Steve Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
>> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Date: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Reports
>>
>>
>>>Reg
>>>
>>>There was a sheldon tag, but I didn't take a picture of it...should
>>>have... I have to find a file I got, but it has a list of the 55+
>>>companies that sold waterloo built engines.  I will get that sent off to
>>>you.  It probably is on my old computer...
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>
>>>--- R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Re Crown Point. The Sheldon is a dead ringer of the Waterloo Big
Chief.
>>>> Any
>>>> pics of the engine plate?
>>>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>>>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Steve Barr" <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
>>>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:18 PM
>>>> Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Been running crazy....Show pictures from the past several shows are
>>>> now on
>>>> > the web page...There seem to be more tractor pictures, but Some of
>>>> them
>>>> > are really good tractors and not the common run of the mill....red vs
>>>> > green vs blue vs orange...
>>>> >
>>>> > If you have any feedback, pages loads too slow, let me know offlist.
>>>> I
>>>> > can split into more pages if needed.  Should be ok on high speed.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Will County, IL 2005 - Engines and tractors were down due to the heat
>>>> >
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005WillCounty1.htm
>>>> >
>>>> > Downtown Downers Grove, IL - Friday Night Cruz In July 22 - fun time
>>>> > several blocks from my house.
>>>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005DGCruz.htm
>>>> >
>>>> > Rosholt Area Threshermen - Rosholt, WI - 2005 (2 pages)
>>>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Rosholt1.htm
>>>> >
>>>> > Crown Point, IN - 2005 (2 pages)
>>>> >
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005CrownPoint1.htm
>>>> >
>>>> > Bourbonnais, IL 2005
>>>> >
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Bourbonnais.htm
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > This week (starting today, we have a display at our local County
>>>> Fair).
>>>> > This is in the middle of suburbia ~35 miles west of Chicago.
>>>> >
>>>> > Steve
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > SEL mailing list
>>>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Fri Jul 29 18:34:54 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:34:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] International Stationary Steam Engine Society
Message-ID: <00f401c594a6$e34614b0$546ea618@pengy>

It is my pleasure to announce that I have assumed duties as US editor of the ISSES Bulletin, the quarterly publication of the International Stationary Steam Engine Society. I take the reigns from Robert Lindquist who has held the position for the past several years.

I first learned of Bob's willingness to pass on the editorship during a visit with him last month and after discussion with the ISSES leadership the change was approved.  

I am 31 years of age and my familiarity with stationary steam power comes solely from my involvement with the Tod Engine. My interest in industrial heritage came from a lifelong interest in railroading that evolved into an interest in Youngstown's steel industry.  Upon finding the Tod Engine and saving it I naturally developed an interest in stationary steam.  

It has been my opinion that interest in ISSES has waned, at least here in the United States, and I would like to do what I can to change that.   Some of you reading this may have never heard of ISSES before, which will change as I become involved with the rebirth of the organizatrion in the U.S. 

As editor I need material to publish.  If there is anything stationary steam related going on in the North American continent please drop me an email and let me know.  Preserved steam, available engines, or even some historical info. is all sought.  I would then forward the articles and news stories to the UK editor who will include the items in the Bulletin.  If nobody sends me any material the membership of ISSES will be doomed to read about large stationary steam power as this is what the bulk of my collection relates to! :-)

Oh by the way go to www.steamenginesociety.org and sned in your membership dues!

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org

William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark




From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 29 19:08:16 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:08:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Marine Engine
Message-ID: <410-2200576302816125@earthlink.net>


Anyone have any knowledge on US Falcon Marine Engines?  They are 4 stroke
with open valve train.  I have a 2 cyl (10 hp) that I have a couple of
questions to ask.  You can email off list if you like.  Thank you.

Tim Christoff.



From jbcast at charter.net  Fri Jul 29 19:28:59 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:28:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Marine Engine
Message-ID: <48vje6$17jt7v6@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net>



> 
> Anyone have any knowledge on US Falcon Marine Engines?  They are 4 stroke
> with open valve train.  I have a 2 cyl (10 hp) that I have a couple of
> questions to ask.  You can email off list if you like.  Thank you.
> 
> Tim Christoff.
> 
Tim, I have a 10hp also, have some ads and other litterature. Does your's have the trans? An old friend gave me this engine, he was the original owner.
J.B. Castagnos 


From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Jul 29 20:11:18 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 04:11:18 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SEL] International Stationary Steam Engine Society
In-Reply-To: <00f401c594a6$e34614b0$546ea618@pengy>
Message-ID: <20050730031119.46484.qmail@web25509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi Rick

Well done.  It takes a lot of commitment to become an editor of a spacialist group news letter.  I
hope you get lots of support in your efforts.

Unfortunately, there is not much steam power out here!

Regards

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea



--- Rick Rowlands <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com> wrote:

> It is my pleasure to announce that I have assumed duties as US editor of the ISSES Bulletin, the
> quarterly publication of the International Stationary Steam Engine Society. 


		
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From guitronics at comcast.net  Sat Jul 30 02:51:01 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 05:51:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Marine Engine
In-Reply-To: <48vje6$17jt7v6@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net>
References: <48vje6$17jt7v6@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <42EB4D85.3010901@comcast.net>

I heard, a few years ago, that a guy was always calling his engines 
"Falcon".

He'd skin his knuckles, throw the wrench (spanner to you UK folks) and 
yell out "Falcon Engine". I understand he did this sort of thing quite 
often.

 "Falcon Engine, Falcon Engine;Falcon engine".

``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````

jbcast at charter.net wrote:

>  
>
>>Anyone have any knowledge on US Falcon Marine Engines?  They are 4 stroke
>>with open valve train.  I have a 2 cyl (10 hp) that I have a couple of
>>questions to ask.  You can email off list if you like.  Thank you.
>>
>>Tim Christoff.
>>
>>    
>>
>Tim, I have a 10hp also, have some ads and other litterature. Does your's have the trans? An old friend gave me this engine, he was the original owner.
>J.B. Castagnos 
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>  
>


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Jul 30 03:03:02 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:03:02 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Making a spring
Message-ID: <073020051003.24752.42EB5055000F38FD000060B021979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi All,
Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own springs.
I need to make up a spring for my trip lever on my 2hp R&V model SR.  Not a 
common spring found in hardware store supplies.  Also checked with one of the 
popular Mag & Igintor rebuilders.
thankyou in advance,
Curt Andree


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Jul 28 16:03:43 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 01:03:43 +0200
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
References: <410-2200574283296156@coastalnet.com><6.0.1.1.2.20050727212548.02503a48@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com><BAY5-DAV410F31CFEB45916465485BBCF0@phx.gbl><000701c59389$36a0fd10$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
	<001f01c593ad$aa9c6a50$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <001501c593c8$9da9a450$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Dave this one is the right one, sorry.
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink//oilgauges.jpg

John H.



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jul 30 03:39:12 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 11:39:12 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Marine Engine
In-Reply-To: <42EB4D85.3010901@comcast.net>
References: <48vje6$17jt7v6@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net>
	<42EB4D85.3010901@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6f60251605073003394f845b9c@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/30/05, Michael P. Koryciak <guitronics at comcast.net> wrote:

> He'd skin his knuckles, throw the wrench (spanner to you UK folks) and
> yell out "Falcon Engine". I understand he did this sort of thing quite
> often.

We have a little saying that goes:

"A wench is something that turns the head of a dolt" :-))

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From b2 at chooka.net  Sat Jul 30 05:19:15 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:19:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Making a spring
In-Reply-To: <073020051003.24752.42EB5055000F38FD000060B021979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <200507300719278.SM02420@wrbpc>

Here ya go, Curt.

 http://home.earthlink.net/~bazillion/springs.html

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
cgandree at mchsi.com
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:03 AM
To: SEL Lists
Subject: [SEL] Making a spring

Hi All,
Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own
springs.
I need to make up a spring for my trip lever on my 2hp R&V model SR.  Not a
common spring found in hardware store supplies.  Also checked with one of
the popular Mag & Igintor rebuilders.
thankyou in advance,
Curt Andree
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jul 30 07:14:13 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:14:13 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for Elden DuRand
References: <005d01c5949e$20d068c0$00000003@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV7A1384521B12130EBF446BBC10@phx.gbl>

edurand at cybertron.com

Take Care Ed

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: "stationary-engine at atis.net" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 6:32 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for Elden DuRand


I need some help and can't find Elden. Elden, do you have your ears on? 
edstoller at earthlink dot net
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jul 30 07:54:45 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:54:45 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Portland butt buggy insurance
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV412552E93C2ECE054142CBBC10@phx.gbl>

Thought this might be of some interest to those attending Portland:

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22526

RickinMt.


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jul 30 09:27:48 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:27:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Stirling Pics Needed
Message-ID: <d40b289508ef2b9a461a0340314e535f@chartertn.net>

Mike Chouinard, a physics teacher in California, is looking for pics of 
old Stirling engines of the sort that were really used for driving 
equipment to use in his physics class. If you can help him, his E-mail 
is:

cheyenne at caltel.com

Thanks!

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jul 30 10:58:26 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:58:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Making a spring
Message-ID: <20050730.105826.920.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Curt.
There are a couple of ways that I know of.  First is get the spring wire
from a hobby shop, I think they come in lots of diameters and two or
three feet long.  bend it to the shape you want.  The problem is it
springs back so you have to made it smaller diameter than you want in the
end.
The other is get wire from an Orthodontist (sp) it can be bent easily and
doesn't spring back.  When you get the size and shape you want, heat it
to a dull red and let it air cool, I don't think I quenched it, and you
have a spring.  The trick with the dental wire was more than thirty years
ago (time flies when you are having fun).  Good luck.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:03:02 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
> Hi All,
> Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own 
> springs.
> I need to make up a spring for my trip lever on my 2hp R&V model SR. 
>  Not a 
> common spring found in hardware store supplies.  Also checked with 
> one of the 
> popular Mag & Igintor rebuilders.
> thankyou in advance,
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 


From edstoller at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 30 11:42:58 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:42:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for Elden DuRand
References: <005d01c5949e$20d068c0$00000003@x8h7l9>
	<BAY5-DAV7A1384521B12130EBF446BBC10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <008301c59536$98798300$b9bff504@x8h7l9>

Thank you Rick and George. I knew I saw his name on one of these sites. I
always listen to what he has to say.

Ed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Looking for Elden DuRand


> edurand at cybertron.com
>
> Take Care Ed
>
> RickinMt.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> To: "stationary-engine at atis.net" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 6:32 PM
> Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for Elden DuRand
>
>
> I need some help and can't find Elden. Elden, do you have your ears on?
> edstoller at earthlink dot net
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jul 30 19:16:30 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:16:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050730220544.041e2de0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
	We now have about 50 people who have indicated that they will be attending 
the Annual ATIS Dinner at Portland on Thursday, August 25th at 6:00 PM. The 
Annual ATIS Charity Auction will follow at about 7:00.
	I hope to give Ellen (at The Back 40) some indication as to our total 
number by August 15th. If you plan to join us, but have not as yet let me 
know, please do so by then. (It's not necessary that I give her an exact 
number, but I'd like to at least be "in the ball park.") Also be thinking 
about what you might bring to the auction.
	Dave



From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sun Jul 31 00:32:07 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:32:07 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Good little show today... Emerald Winterfest (Victoria,
	Australia)
Message-ID: <42EC7E77.7010202@steamengine.com.au>

Got home from the Emerald Winterfest half an hour ago, a fantastic turn 
out this year (including SEL member Mick Christie!). Usually this show 
is tiny with 4 to 6 engines, but today we had over 20, that combined 
with a really good day of weather and a huge crowd (most of town turned 
up). Hopefully the show has finally reached critical mass and we'll be 
able to expand a little every year.

I was a lazy bugger (way too much non engine stuff to do at work & home) 
and only took the little Maytag I finished the other week. At first it 
was a dud and would not go, but after I played with the magneto (didn't 
do anything, literally just wiggled things) off it went. It ran non-stop 
until it ran out of fuel towards the end of the day where I left it 
alone to cool off before loading the difficult load to make the trip 
home. I had the muffler held on with a tent peg (mainly to annoy our 
club secretary who has come to expect something wierd on my engines!)

The only bad bit is I've picked up a flu... getting into the fever part 
of it right now :(

I have to write something up for the club newsletter (got cornered) but 
then I'm off to bed to try sleep this crap off.

I'll try to get pictures up soon. There was a bit of a MacDonald 
overload - the good thing about Macs is that most of them smoke so much 
no-one noticed the Maytag signature cloud.

Paul

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www.steamengine.com.au


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From bdb at mchsi.com  Sat Jul 30 20:29:10 2005
From: bdb at mchsi.com (bdb)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:29:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] John Ross
Message-ID: <00b301c59580$04465d80$c947d70c@VALUED20606295>

Does anyone  have an email address for John Ross in Hebron Indiana. I need to talk to him about his McMullin (Little Mack) engine. Thanks, Barry


E-Mail at bdb at mchsi.com

From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Sun Jul 31 05:35:05 2005
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:35:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] John Ross
Message-ID: <000401c595cc$4aadd360$f0680b42@computer>

Barry,
  John Ross
  405 West Church St.
  Hebron, IN.  46341   Phone#  (219) 996-4854
I don't believe John is on the enternet.     George
-----Original Message-----
From: bdb <bdb at mchsi.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, July 31, 2005 2:59 AM
Subject: [SEL] John Ross


>Does anyone  have an email address for John Ross in Hebron Indiana. I need
to talk to him about his McMullin (Little Mack) engine. Thanks, Barry
>
>
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From elidas at aol.com  Sun Jul 31 07:32:27 2005
From: elidas at aol.com (elidas at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:32:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
In-Reply-To: <000b01c59304$c01326c0$546ea618@pengy>
References: <BAY5-DAV141EC580CB0DB107C18810BBCC0@phx.gbl>
	<000b01c59304$c01326c0$546ea618@pengy>
Message-ID: <8C763F3CF25854C-1314-E593@mblk-r36.sysops.aol.com>

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Rowlands <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:41:45 -0400
Subject: Re: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort


Its a sight glass-drain valve combination. It could be used for any number of things. Could be on a condensate tank where you would check the level of condensate and empty it with the cock. Or perhaps in an oil reservoir where you would use the cock to fill your oil can and the sight glass used to tell you when the oil tank was empty. 
 
Certainly not an oiler. 
 
Rick 
 
----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> 
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
Cc: "Corky Harris" <mtmidway3 at msn.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:06 PM 
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort 
 
> what would ya think these would have been used on?? Got me stumped: 
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7532930376&category=58177&rd=1 
> 
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jul 31 10:17:43 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:17:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Good little show today... Emerald Winterfest (Victoria,
	Australia)
In-Reply-To: <42EC7E77.7010202@steamengine.com.au>
References: <42EC7E77.7010202@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <c35d7da17deb9398408d6bbe7eb77887@chartertn.net>

> There was a bit of a MacDonald overload - the good thing about Macs is 
> that most of them smoke so much no-one noticed the Maytag signature 
> cloud.

Took me a moment to figure out what MacDonalds you were referring to. 
Over here, that  brings to mind the McDonald's burger joints. Of 
course, sometimes an overload of Big Macs can cause the emission of a 
cloud that would make bystanders instantly forget about the Maytags, 
too!

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 31 11:21:33 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:21:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050730220544.041e2de0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <20050731182133.39641.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Dave,

I am sad to tell you that I will not make it to the Portland show or dinner after all this year.
There is just too much work that has to be done here.  ONLY if the weather channel is saying we
will get three days of VERY nasty weather here I will check the weather down there and make a
decision.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan


--- Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 	We now have about 50 people who have indicated that they will be attending 
> the Annual ATIS Dinner at Portland on Thursday, August 25th at 6:00 PM. The 
> Annual ATIS Charity Auction will follow at about 7:00.
> 	I hope to give Ellen (at The Back 40) some indication as to our total 
> number by August 15th. If you plan to join us, but have not as yet let me 
> know, please do so by then. (It's not necessary that I give her an exact 
> number, but I'd like to at least be "in the ball park.") Also be thinking 
> about what you might bring to the auction.
> 	Dave
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Jul 31 03:41:49 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:41:49 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Making a spring
Message-ID: <073120051041.17755.42ECAAED000D11980000455B21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks Ron but did you use some sort of jig to help hold the wire while trying 
to coil it?  Would like step by step details.  I do know about sources for 
spring wire stock as well.
Curt


> Hi Curt.
> There are a couple of ways that I know of.  First is get the spring wire
> from a hobby shop, I think they come in lots of diameters and two or
> three feet long.  bend it to the shape you want.  The problem is it
> springs back so you have to made it smaller diameter than you want in the
> end.
> The other is get wire from an Orthodontist (sp) it can be bent easily and
> doesn't spring back.  When you get the size and shape you want, heat it
> to a dull red and let it air cool, I don't think I quenched it, and you
> have a spring.  The trick with the dental wire was more than thirty years
> ago (time flies when you are having fun).  Good luck.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:03:02 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
> > Hi All,
> > Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own 
> > springs.
> > I need to make up a spring for my trip lever on my 2hp R&V model SR. 
> >  Not a 
> > common spring found in hardware store supplies.  Also checked with 
> > one of the 
> > popular Mag & Igintor rebuilders.
> > thankyou in advance,
> > Curt Andree
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> > 
> _______________________________________________
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Jul 31 03:52:03 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:52:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Making a spring
Message-ID: <073120051052.19970.42ECAD530009985100004E0221979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thankyou very much Bill, this is the article I was searching for.  Have you 
made any springs before?  Please contact me off line to discuss more details.
Curt


> Here ya go, Curt.
> 
>  http://home.earthlink.net/~bazillion/springs.html
> 
> B?
>  
> Bill Brueck (brick)
> Chatfield, MN, USA
>  
> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> cgandree at mchsi.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:03 AM
> To: SEL Lists
> Subject: [SEL] Making a spring
> 
> Hi All,
> Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own
> springs.
> I need to make up a spring for my trip lever on my 2hp R&V model SR.  Not a
> common spring found in hardware store supplies.  Also checked with one of
> the popular Mag & Igintor rebuilders.
> thankyou in advance,
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
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From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Jul 31 13:19:28 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:19:28 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SEL] Making a spring
In-Reply-To: <073120051041.17755.42ECAAED000D11980000455B21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20050731201928.30998.qmail@web25503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Curt

One way is to have a screw thread bar held in the chuck with a cross hole to take the end of the
spring wire.  Set the carriage feed to the same pitch as the thread.  In the tool holder have a
piece of steel bar with a hole drilled through it the same size as the spring wire so that the
wire is fed through in a controlled manner onto the screw thread bar.  Put a grub screw down
through the wire feeder to press against the spring wire and adjust the pressure to keep it tight.
 If you are being posh, the grub screw could have a brass slug so that it is brass rubbing against
the steel instead of the hard steel.

Wear stout gloves - that wire will cut through your hand with consummate ease.

Hope this helps

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea

  

--- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Thanks Ron but did you use some sort of jig to help hold the wire while trying 
> to coil it?  Would like step by step details.  I do know about sources for 
> spring wire stock as well.
> Curt
> 
> 
> > Hi Curt.
> > There are a couple of ways that I know of.  First is get the spring wire
> > from a hobby shop, I think they come in lots of diameters and two or
> > three feet long.  bend it to the shape you want.  The problem is it
> > springs back so you have to made it smaller diameter than you want in the
> > end.
> > The other is get wire from an Orthodontist (sp) it can be bent easily and
> > doesn't spring back.  When you get the size and shape you want, heat it
> > to a dull red and let it air cool, I don't think I quenched it, and you
> > have a spring.  The trick with the dental wire was more than thirty years
> > ago (time flies when you are having fun).  Good luck.
> > 
> > Ron Haskell
>
> > 
> > On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:03:02 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

> > > Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own 
> > > springs.


	
	
		
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From b2 at chooka.net  Sun Jul 31 15:34:17 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:34:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Making a spring
In-Reply-To: <073120051052.19970.42ECAD530009985100004E0221979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <200507311734307.SM02420@wrbpc>

Curt:

While I'd be glad go off list if you wish, the topic is certainly relevant
to the list and if we pool our ignorance maybe it will benefit others, too.

My spring making experience is pretty slim.  I did get a spring making kit
for Christmas or something many years ago and have used it successfully a
few times.  It came with an assortment of wire and a tool that is
reminiscent of that little pocket-sized jig we used to carry when building
fence.  Maybe you know the device, it was for getting a good tight wrap on
that short piece of wire that attached the barbed (or woven, for that
matter) wire to the steel post.  The point was that it applied the torque
right next to where you really wanted the wire to bend, just next to the
fence strand.  

David's post references this same need with the jig he describes.  Point
being that if you can apply the pressure right near the form that you're
wrapping the wire around, the resulting wrap will be pretty close to the
desired diameter.

Curt, I met you at the Baraboo, Wisconsin show a few years back, didn't I?
That was the year Reg Ingold was in town.  I don't get out much, haven't met
many of the list members and have forgotten the names and faces of many I
have met.  I just learned that a neighbor is going to Baraboo this season,
he has a couple of Oliver crawlers he wants to take over.  Maybe I'll make
the show this year.  It's only about 3 hours from my place.

Take care, you're welcome to my ignorance on the subject, I have plenty to
share.

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
cgandree at mchsi.com
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:52 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring

Thankyou very much Bill, this is the article I was searching for.  Have you
made any springs before?  Please contact me off line to discuss more
details.
Curt


> Here ya go, Curt.
> 
>  http://home.earthlink.net/~bazillion/springs.html
> 
> B?
>  
> Bill Brueck (brick)
> Chatfield, MN, USA
>  
> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> cgandree at mchsi.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:03 AM
> To: SEL Lists
> Subject: [SEL] Making a spring
> 
> Hi All,
> Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own
> springs.
> I need to make up a spring for my trip lever on my 2hp R&V model SR.  Not
a
> common spring found in hardware store supplies.  Also checked with one of
> the popular Mag & Igintor rebuilders.
> thankyou in advance,
> Curt Andree
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 31 15:55:24 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:55:24 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Making a spring
In-Reply-To: <073020051003.24752.42EB5055000F38FD000060B021979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <073020051003.24752.42EB5055000F38FD000060B021979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <42ED56DC.80206@earthlink.net>

Hi Curt,

This link may be of help.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MakingSprings/Thumbnails.html

Jeff Allen

cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

>Hi All,
>Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own springs.
>I need to make up a spring for my trip lever on my 2hp R&V model SR.  Not a 
>common spring found in hardware store supplies.  Also checked with one of the 
>popular Mag & Igintor rebuilders.
>thankyou in advance,
>Curt Andree
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>
>
>  
>



From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 31 17:10:07 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:10:07 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Bird City
Message-ID: <42ED685F.4010009@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Back from the Bird City show. If you love steam tractors, or even 
tractors, it's a great show. I wish they had more stationary engines 
running and maybe I can help that out in the future. Lot of show and 
tells that never got run this year.

We got to spend the best part of the day there and it was a hot one. 105 
or better in the shade. The good news was my buddy was there with his 
motor home. Pop in for some AC and a cold barley pop now and then. That 
was a lifesaver for us. Had a great feed for dinner with all you can eat 
barbecue. Also had some watermelon mid afternoon that someone was giving 
away. Hate to say it, but it was better than beer at the time. Only had 
four chunks myself. GREAT!

Short one got to drive a steam tractor again, and that is a highlight. 
He's a little taller in the saddle now, so he got to sit in the seat. 
Pretty good head of steam and he got a workout.

We got to stay for most of the tractor pull this year. This one like 
many, uses people for weight, and they have to be 16 or older. They do 
one pull that the short ones can ride the sled, and it was great. Think 
the grand total was 50 on the sled.

The tractor parade was great and my buddy and I both saw tractors we had 
never even heard of. He is a big FATG and that came as a surprise to me. 
There was some pretty rare iron there.

We headed for the motel shortly before the end of the pull. Drank some 
cold ones and shot the s**t with the guy in the next room for a couple 
hours on the patio. Nice way to end the day. Worn out after the drive 
back and still had to attend an invite this afternoon. Got that done and 
ready for some soap, water, chow, and sleep.

I took 172 pictures and will sort them out later and put em up for all. 
Here are a few of my favorites.

http://oldirongallery.com/BC.html

Always great to be back home.

Jeff Allen





From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Jul 31 17:57:46 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:57:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bird City
References: <42ED685F.4010009@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001401c59634$080c0b40$576f8645@carolina.rr.com>

Great shots!!!  Captured the moments pretty good.

Mike Royster
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Oldengine list" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 8:10 PM
Subject: [SEL] Bird City


> Hi all,
> 
> Back from the Bird City show. If you love steam tractors, or even 
> tractors, it's a great show. I wish they had more stationary engines 
> running and maybe I can help that out in the future. Lot of show and 
> tells that never got run this year.
> 
> We got to spend the best part of the day there and it was a hot one. 105 
> or better in the shade. The good news was my buddy was there with his 
> motor home. Pop in for some AC and a cold barley pop now and then. That 
> was a lifesaver for us. Had a great feed for dinner with all you can eat 
> barbecue. Also had some watermelon mid afternoon that someone was giving 
> away. Hate to say it, but it was better than beer at the time. Only had 
> four chunks myself. GREAT!
> 
> Short one got to drive a steam tractor again, and that is a highlight. 
> He's a little taller in the saddle now, so he got to sit in the seat. 
> Pretty good head of steam and he got a workout.
> 
> We got to stay for most of the tractor pull this year. This one like 
> many, uses people for weight, and they have to be 16 or older. They do 
> one pull that the short ones can ride the sled, and it was great. Think 
> the grand total was 50 on the sled.
> 
> The tractor parade was great and my buddy and I both saw tractors we had 
> never even heard of. He is a big FATG and that came as a surprise to me. 
> There was some pretty rare iron there.
> 
> We headed for the motel shortly before the end of the pull. Drank some 
> cold ones and shot the s**t with the guy in the next room for a couple 
> hours on the patio. Nice way to end the day. Worn out after the drive 
> back and still had to attend an invite this afternoon. Got that done and 
> ready for some soap, water, chow, and sleep.
> 
> I took 172 pictures and will sort them out later and put em up for all. 
> Here are a few of my favorites.
> 
> http://oldirongallery.com/BC.html
> 
> Always great to be back home.
> 
> Jeff Allen
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From nick at holden1.net  Sun Jul 31 08:14:01 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:14:01 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] Bulldog engine
Message-ID: <42ECEAB9.000003.03488@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Hi
can anyone help to date my new toy its a Bull dog 2 1/2 hp
serial no B32433 also any info on these engines would
be good also if anyone has photos on webshots can you let
me know thanks
 
nick
 
 
 
Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden



From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jul  1 08:32:01 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 08:32:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone
In-Reply-To: <42C32F69.2070507@earthlink.net>
References: <00b301c57c1a$32715810$230110ac@PAUL>	<6.1.2.0.0.20050628163122.02208c70@mail.alltel.net>	<42C1FCE9.9050505@earthlink.net>
	<3702.165.206.180.102.1120056410.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
	<42C32F69.2070507@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <25301.165.206.180.118.1120231921.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

Yeah, I didn't go there yet - we had major net issues and I got
distracted...... but that's how I found a fellow who said I couldn't find
his real name or address. People only knew him by his middle name. I found
out why when I found his full given name.

Of course, it depends on the honesty of the person registering the domain!
Some folks don't use real info there....


Bill

> Hi Bill,
>
> That's not it and it's sooooo simple. Took me about 60 seconds. Hint, I
> have two domains registered. ;-)
>
> Jeff
>
> bill at antique-engines.com wrote:
>
>>Man, you must have some info locked down.
>>This ain't it, I bet.......
>>
>>(303) 254-5948
>>
>>Naw, that would be too easy........
>>
>>Bill
>>
>>
>>
>
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>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jul  1 08:33:22 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:33:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV932656A80B32F35A9F458BBE20@phx.gbl>

G'day all;
  Anyone recognize this hopper?  Looks like off an ~ 2hp or so:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480594gtGzGf

and another view:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480411CTcDqD

TIA
RickinMt.


From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Fri Jul  1 08:49:24 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 01:49:24 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
References: <BAY5-DAV932656A80B32F35A9F458BBE20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002101c57e54$756c1f60$ad85dccb@oemcomputer>

Looks like it may be of a Witte log saw engine.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387  
edsingns at winsoft.net.au 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:33
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper


> G'day all;
>   Anyone recognize this hopper?  Looks like off an ~ 2hp or so:
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480594gtGzGf
> 
> and another view:
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480411CTcDqD
> 
> TIA
> RickinMt.
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jul  1 09:29:19 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:29:19 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
Message-ID: <20050701.092920.1356.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Rick.
My vote is Witte log saw too.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:33:22 -0600 "Richard Strobel"
<Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> writes:
> G'day all;
>   Anyone recognize this hopper?  Looks like off an ~ 2hp or so:
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480594gtGzGf
> 
> and another view:
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480411CTcDqD
> 
> TIA
> RickinMt.
>


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jul  1 10:16:18 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:16:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
References: <20050701.092920.1356.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV3E43C4947A062E8E33BA0BBE20@phx.gbl>

Kewl..thanks guys.  That would explain the slanted hopper surfaces.  Will 
look for the rest of it.

later,
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery hopper


> Hi Rick.
> My vote is Witte log saw too.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:33:22 -0600 "Richard Strobel"
> <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> writes:
> > G'day all;
> >   Anyone recognize this hopper?  Looks like off an ~ 2hp or so:
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480594gtGzGf
> >
> > and another view:
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480411CTcDqD
> >
> > TIA
> > RickinMt.
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jul  1 10:21:20 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:21:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
In-Reply-To: <20050701.092920.1356.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20050701.092920.1356.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <26026.165.206.180.118.1120238480.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

The size and angle would support that of the log saw.....

Bill

> Hi Rick.
> My vote is Witte log saw too.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:33:22 -0600 "Richard Strobel"
> <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> writes:
>> G'day all;
>>   Anyone recognize this hopper?  Looks like off an ~ 2hp or so:
>>
>> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480594gtGzGf
>>
>> and another view:
>>
>> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480411CTcDqD
>>
>> TIA
>> RickinMt.
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jul  1 10:23:56 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:23:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT, E-bay scam??
In-Reply-To: <6f602516050629231966dff4c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <42C32A0A.4000409@earthlink.net>
	<6f602516050629231966dff4c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26043.165.206.180.118.1120238636.squirrel@antique-engines.com>


My son says from 5 to 10 million in a shot is a conservative estimate.
And there are many scammers doing it.

I used to be able to send 700 emails in 3 minutes on a slow server and
dial-up connection.

Bill

> On 6/30/05, Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just got something from e-bay (maybe) but it's in German. Don't have a
>> clue what it says. If you speak German and would allow me to forward it,
>> contact me off list. I think it's a new scam, but without being able to
>> read it I don't know.
>>
>> Jeff Allen
>
> As Lew says, send it (verbatim) to spoof at ebay.com. There are many of
> these going round for ebay and PayPal, lesser numbers for various
> banks. At least ebay and PayPal have set up channels for folks to send
> them to, most Banks haven't a clue when it comes to responses to these
> things.
>
> The latest one for PayPal is a spoof telling you that someone has sent
> you a payment for an item, and that there is a query on the
> transaction. I don't know how many of these emails get sent out, but
> we are getting 2 or 3 a week regularly.
>
> spoof at paypal.com
> spoof at ebay.com
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
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>



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  1 10:36:54 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:36:54 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV932656A80B32F35A9F458BBE20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F10850BEF13B973A3B066B6C8E20@phx.gbl>

Hi Rick

Here's some pictures of the hopper on an engine:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sherman/witteslant1.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck02/buck02-3.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/SandwichFair2000/wittelogsaw01.jpg

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
--------------------------------------------------
>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
>Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:33:22 -0600
>
>G'day all;
>   Anyone recognize this hopper?  Looks like off an ~ 2hp or so:
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480594gtGzGf
>
>and another view:
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480411CTcDqD
>
>TIA
>RickinMt.




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jul  1 16:35:19 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 09:35:19 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
References: <BAY5-DAV932656A80B32F35A9F458BBE20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <023301c57e95$8cf23e80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Witte dragsaw?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:33 AM
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper


> G'day all;
>  Anyone recognize this hopper?  Looks like off an ~ 2hp or so:
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480594gtGzGf
> 
> and another view:
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480411CTcDqD
> 
> TIA
> RickinMt.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jul  1 18:47:54 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 21:47:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
Message-ID: <20050701.214819.260.3.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Rick,

I go along with the rest - Witte Log Saw.

That's the reason for the slant.

You can check out my Witte on my website but it's straight - not slanted.

The The log saw had slanted hopper.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jul  1 22:31:03 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:31:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] JD 160 garden tractor
Message-ID: <20050701.223104.1408.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  A friend gave me a JD 160 garden tractor, it is missing the
clutch tensioning pulleys and it looks like if I buy all the little
pieces it will cost a fortune.  Does anyone have a parts 160 laying
around?   Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sat Jul  2 02:52:05 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 19:52:05 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Latest installment of the Ruston PB3 - Tearing it down...
Message-ID: <42C663C5.1050205@steamengine.com.au>

If you're interested in this story - here is the next installment.

http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/rh-pb3/teardown.html

Enjoy.

Paul
-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jul  2 03:53:23 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 06:53:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Latest installment of the Ruston PB3 - Tearing it down...
In-Reply-To: <42C663C5.1050205@steamengine.com.au>
References: <42C663C5.1050205@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <95fa522b7c4bee0df8f9a8fd0d87d07a@chartertn.net>

Looks great, Paul!

Have you come to an understanding with the angry spider in the exhaust 
port?

John

On Jul 2, 2005, at 5:52 AM, Paul Pavlinovich wrote:

> If you're interested in this story - here is the next installment.
>
> http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/rh-pb3/teardown.html
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Paul


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sat Jul  2 04:30:12 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 21:30:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Latest installment of the Ruston PB3 - Tearing it
	down...
In-Reply-To: <95fa522b7c4bee0df8f9a8fd0d87d07a@chartertn.net>
References: <42C663C5.1050205@steamengine.com.au>
	<95fa522b7c4bee0df8f9a8fd0d87d07a@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <42C67AC4.6070502@steamengine.com.au>

No, but we're working on a tenancy deal - of course, I could always just 
wait until the engine is running and blow him off :)

Do you ever sleep? How early did you get up?

Paul

John Culp wrote:
> Looks great, Paul!
> 
> Have you come to an understanding with the angry spider in the exhaust 
> port?
> 
> John
> 
> On Jul 2, 2005, at 5:52 AM, Paul Pavlinovich wrote:
> 
>> If you're interested in this story - here is the next installment.
>>
>> http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/rh-pb3/teardown.html
>>
>> Enjoy.
>>
>> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> 
> 
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From garyepps at fidnet.com  Sat Jul  2 06:42:48 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 08:42:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] JD 160 garden tractor
In-Reply-To: <20050701.223104.1408.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20050701.223104.1408.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <42C699D8.8020500@fidnet.com>

Ron check

> http://home.listings.ebay.com/Parts-Accessories_John-Deere_W0QQfclZ1QQfromZ1883QQsacatZ82240QQsocmdZListingItemListQQsspagenameZmeQ3afQ3acat

for all the JD garden tractor parts you might need.  If this URL doesn't 
work for you go to HOME, BUY, HOME AND GARDEN, OUTDOOR POWER EQUIPMENT, 
LAWN MOWERS, PARTS & ACCESSORIES, JOHN DEERE

Gary

rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> Hi all.  A friend gave me a JD 160 garden tractor, it is missing the
> clutch tensioning pulleys and it looks like if I buy all the little
> pieces it will cost a fortune.  Does anyone have a parts 160 laying
> around?   Thanks.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From garyepps at fidnet.com  Sat Jul  2 06:44:33 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 08:44:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] JD 160 garden tractor
In-Reply-To: <20050701.223104.1408.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20050701.223104.1408.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <42C69A41.3070004@fidnet.com>

Ron my previous email was referencing an Ebay trail.

Gary

rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> Hi all.  A friend gave me a JD 160 garden tractor, it is missing the
> clutch tensioning pulleys and it looks like if I buy all the little
> pieces it will cost a fortune.  Does anyone have a parts 160 laying
> around?   Thanks.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jul  2 06:53:06 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 09:53:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Latest installment of the Ruston PB3 - Tearing it
	down...
In-Reply-To: <42C67AC4.6070502@steamengine.com.au>
References: <42C663C5.1050205@steamengine.com.au>
	<95fa522b7c4bee0df8f9a8fd0d87d07a@chartertn.net>
	<42C67AC4.6070502@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <aa60499866e2ddd6b1a0a0091f91bf7c@chartertn.net>

I don't think I'd be too quick to evict him, either.

I keep somewhat irregular hours. And when I can't sleep, I'll probably 
check in online. :-)

John

On Jul 2, 2005, at 7:30 AM, Paul Pavlinovich wrote:

> No, but we're working on a tenancy deal - of course, I could always 
> just wait until the engine is running and blow him off :)
>
> Do you ever sleep? How early did you get up?
>
> Paul


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jul  2 09:33:24 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 10:33:24 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
References: <BAY103-F10850BEF13B973A3B066B6C8E20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV19A6BA4E7D6EBDCBBF5F57BBE50@phx.gbl>

Thanks again guys and also for the pix's Luke.  Now it's just a matter of 
finding the rest and talking the lady into selling it.  She's a dandy to say 
the least!!

later
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 11:36 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Mystery hopper


> Hi Rick
>
> Here's some pictures of the hopper on an engine:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sherman/witteslant1.jpg
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck02/buck02-3.jpg
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/SandwichFair2000/wittelogsaw01.jpg
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
> --------------------------------------------------
> >From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
> >Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:33:22 -0600
> >
> >G'day all;
> >   Anyone recognize this hopper?  Looks like off an ~ 2hp or so:
> >
> >http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480594gtGzGf
> >
> >and another view:
> >
> >http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480411CTcDqD
> >
> >TIA
> >RickinMt.
>
>
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> 


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sat Jul  2 10:14:52 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 10:14:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] JD 160 garden tractor
In-Reply-To: <20050701.223104.1408.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200507021714.j62HEtJG010745@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi Ron,  Go to Ebay, John Deere 140 . there are people parting them
regularly.  Cya  Jimmy O'

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:31 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; at at lists.antique-tractor.com
Subject: [SEL] JD 160 garden tractor

Hi all.  A friend gave me a JD 160 garden tractor, it is missing the
clutch tensioning pulleys and it looks like if I buy all the little
pieces it will cost a fortune.  Does anyone have a parts 160 laying
around?   Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From chesnimnus at juno.com  Sat Jul  2 12:56:33 2005
From: chesnimnus at juno.com (Colin M Rush)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 12:56:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 
	NW IHC Show Dates & New Name: Great Western Binder Bee/July 8,
	9, and 10
Message-ID: <20050702.130428.1856.2.chesnimnus@juno.com>

I thought I had posted about this here, but I guess I forgotten.  Sorry
for such short notice.

Those of you that attended the 2004 NW Binder RoundUp at the Western
Antique Powerland in Brooks, Oregon will be pleased to know that there
will another show this year at the same location.  The name has been
changed, and it is now called the Great Western Binder Bee.  The name was
selected to reflect its position as a western regional show for the left
half of the country.  Those of you with a tendency toward old McCormick
and other old ag machines will appreciate the name.  For those of you
that did not come last year, we had somewhere shy of 400 entrants, with
around 180 trucks and military vehicles, and the remainder being
tractors, industrial machines, reefers, engines, and even a humidifier. 
>From what I have heard, this is larger than all but the Red Power
RoundUp.

This year we will be holding it again at the Western Antique Powerland in
Brooks, Oregon on July 8, 9, and 10.  Like last year, this will be open
to anything and everything made by IHC and is related companies built
between 1831 and 2005.  This year, there will also most likely be draft
animals pulling old implements by McCormick, Plano, and others.  We found
a club that is into draft animals, and their tools of  trade are almost
exclusively IHC.  Barring any conflict of date with another show that
they are already committed to, they will be there working the animals. 
We also simplified the registration fees, and trimmed down the number of
judging categories.  Last year was too confusing.  Truck judging will be
done by a select committee from IHSTO.  I do not believe that there will
be any judging of the tractors and motors.  Like last year, there will be
camping and hookups onsite, and lodging within 10 minutes of the grounds.

If anyone wants to learn more about the Great Western Binder Bee, the
point man on this is John Donnelly.  He is the chairman for the show.  If
you want to get the registration packet mailed to you, please contact me,
or contact John at <dslscout at oregonsbest.com>.  The local IH vendors know
about this show too.  If you call Binder Books, you can ask them about
the show too.  If you are ordering anything from them, be sure to ask
them to include a flyer about the show.  Ultimately, you will have to get
the registration from John.  Judging by our feedback, this year's show
will be larger than last year.  Come one, come all, we hope to see you
there.

If you do not have time to preregister, you can still get in by just
showing up at the gate.  Please come.
-Colin Rush


From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jul  2 00:37:18 2005
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 17:37:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT (Bristol 20)
Message-ID: <000501c57ed8$fa6536a0$0abaa4cb@fred>

Hi List ,
We have just aquired a Tractor to tow engines around, Am missing 
distributor?
Does anyone know what engine is fitted to a Bristol 20?
casting marks on the block says Weslake patent .593441
Engine No.4754
Has Zenith updraught carby.
We think is is an adaption of a car engine.
Can anyone help or direct me to a site?
Brian in Melbourne.

















From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Jul  2 16:30:31 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 17:30:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Lathe
Message-ID: <42C72397.1000607@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Might have a chance to pick up a 1938 Craftsman lathe with full set of 
gears. Any thoughts on this lathe are welcome. Models and cannons are my 
thoughts. Good lathe or not? $300

Jeff Allen



From solarrog at pacbell.net  Sat Jul  2 17:57:57 2005
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 17:57:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Lathe
References: <42C72397.1000607@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000601c57f6a$41d97b40$adca7043@D6R3D961>

$300 is small money, If you do not have a lathe currently . This one will 
give you many hours of entertainment. The down side is you will quickly out 
grow it, The up side is you will have learned some, and you can always sell 
it for what you paid for it. ask for any books they may have, The same goes 
for tooling.
PS
dont wear a tie while using it. lol.

Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate,
The Realty Experts
Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc
Collector of antique engines
Website; scrapologist.com
Ham Radio; KG6QKZ
Fremont,Ca
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Oldengine list" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 4:30 PM
Subject: [SEL] Lathe


> Hi all,
>
> Might have a chance to pick up a 1938 Craftsman lathe with full set of 
> gears. Any thoughts on this lathe are welcome. Models and cannons are my 
> thoughts. Good lathe or not? $300
>
> Jeff Allen
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From skipl at montana.com  Sat Jul  2 19:19:33 2005
From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 20:19:33 -0600
Subject: [SEL] posts
Message-ID: <42C74B35.C87641D1@montana.com>

skipl at montana.com




From EnginePaul at aol.com  Sat Jul  2 19:14:15 2005
From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 22:14:15 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Lathe
Message-ID: <1f2.ce7061f.2ff8a3f7@aol.com>

Check this site:
_http://groups.yahoo.com/group/atlas_craftsman/_ 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/atlas_craftsman/) 
 
 


From skipl at montana.com  Sat Jul  2 19:31:39 2005
From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 20:31:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] back from pa.
Message-ID: <42C74E0B.1876C7C1@montana.com>

i made it home from pa, [ family visit & cool spring show] it was nice
to meet a few of you in person.  dave, glenn, & arney , although it was
only for a short time, i enjoyed our visit.  thanks,  skip




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jul  2 20:03:40 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 23:03:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] back from pa.
In-Reply-To: <42C74E0B.1876C7C1@montana.com>
References: <42C74E0B.1876C7C1@montana.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050702230238.049f3ca0@mail.alltel.net>

At 10:31 PM 7/2/2005, you wrote:
>i made it home from pa, [ family visit & cool spring show] it was nice
>to meet a few of you in person.  dave, glenn, & arney , although it was
>only for a short time, i enjoyed our visit.  thanks,  skip

And we sure enjoyed meeting and talking to you as well!
         Dave 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jul  2 23:21:30 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 07:21:30 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT (Bristol 20)
In-Reply-To: <000501c57ed8$fa6536a0$0abaa4cb@fred>
References: <000501c57ed8$fa6536a0$0abaa4cb@fred>
Message-ID: <6f6025160507022321734c53d7@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/2/05, Brian Watts <briwatt at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> Hi List ,
> We have just aquired a Tractor to tow engines around, Am missing
> distributor?
> Does anyone know what engine is fitted to a Bristol 20?
> casting marks on the block says Weslake patent .593441
> Engine No.4754
> Has Zenith updraught carby.
> We think is is an adaption of a car engine.
> Can anyone help or direct me to a site?
> Brian in Melbourne.

All the info we have points to a Bristol 20 crawler, not a tractor. If
you could get the Carb number off the float bowl, I can try and
cross-reference it back to an engine.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jul  3 03:48:19 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:48:19 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Underwood (OZ)
References: <000501c57ed8$fa6536a0$0abaa4cb@fred>
	<6f6025160507022321734c53d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c57fbc$ba371b40$e7a7ecdc@morris>

G'Day All

There was a Underwood engine at the National much like a ronny N does anyone 
know where Underwoods were made.

Thanks

Kerry

Lithgow NSW OZ 



From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  3 04:30:18 2005
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:30:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Underwood (OZ)
In-Reply-To: <000c01c57fbc$ba371b40$e7a7ecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <BAY14-F27A18A2BB88A7E9D002EBCBAE40@phx.gbl>

G'day Kerry, from what i have read they were made in melbourne.I think in 
the 1940's.they were a 3-5 hp running at 1000 rpm.that is all i can remember 
of the top of my head.I will see what else i can drag up. Dave

>From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Underwood (OZ)
>Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:48:19 +1000
>
>G'Day All
>
>There was a Underwood engine at the National much like a ronny N does 
>anyone know where Underwoods were made.
>
>Thanks
>
>Kerry
>
>Lithgow NSW OZ
>
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_________________________________________________________________
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http://www.carpoint.com.au/sellyourcar



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jul  3 05:44:42 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:44:42 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Astle Park 
Message-ID: <ff.16b0b72e.2ff937ba@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/27/2005 11:42:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
nick at holden1.net writes:

<< just back from a very good day out at Astle Park rally >>


Nick,

Thanks for sharing the photo's.  Beautiful 1/2 New Holland.  I would assume a 
rare bird over there?

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sun Jul  3 06:05:17 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 15:05:17 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Astle Park
References: <ff.16b0b72e.2ff937ba@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001501c57fcf$dfa2bf70$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

When someone likes more pics to see taken at Astle Park,
they can be seen at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/astleparkrally2005.htm

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web




> Nick,
> 
> Thanks for sharing the photo's.  Beautiful 1/2 New Holland.  I would assume a 
> rare bird over there?
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com




From marvhed at ecenet.com  Sun Jul  3 04:42:11 2005
From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 06:42:11 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT (Bristol 20)
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160507022321734c53d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000501c57ed8$fa6536a0$0abaa4cb@fred>
	<6f6025160507022321734c53d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1304.64.61.214.168.1120390931.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>

a bristol site is:

http://home.hccnet.nl/m.hooijberg/bristol.html

marv in minn

> On 7/2/05, Brian Watts <briwatt at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>> Hi List ,
>> We have just aquired a Tractor to tow engines around, Am missing
>> distributor?
>> Does anyone know what engine is fitted to a Bristol 20?
>> casting marks on the block says Weslake patent .593441
>> Engine No.4754
>> Has Zenith updraught carby.
>> We think is is an adaption of a car engine.
>> Can anyone help or direct me to a site?
>> Brian in Melbourne.
>
> All the info we have points to a Bristol 20 crawler, not a tractor. If
> you could get the Carb number off the float bowl, I can try and
> cross-reference it back to an engine.
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul  3 09:26:03 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 17:26:03 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT (Bristol 20)
In-Reply-To: <1304.64.61.214.168.1120390931.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
References: <000501c57ed8$fa6536a0$0abaa4cb@fred>
	<6f6025160507022321734c53d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1304.64.61.214.168.1120390931.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
Message-ID: <6f60251605070309264d5a264e@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/3/05, MARVIN HEDBERG <marvhed at ecenet.com> wrote:
> a bristol site is:
> 
> http://home.hccnet.nl/m.hooijberg/bristol.html
> 
> marv in minnel

Thanks, Marv, I was wondering if you'd comment on the machinery :-))

Looks a lot like the Ransomes Crawlers?

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From todengine at zoominternet.net  Sat Jul  2 17:49:34 2005
From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 20:49:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Lathe
References: <42C72397.1000607@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00a601c57f69$14db09c0$cd35ef18@pengy>

Sounds like a good deal to me.

Rick

PS Check out http://www.practicalmachinist.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Oldengine list" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 7:30 PM
Subject: [SEL] Lathe


> Hi all,
>
> Might have a chance to pick up a 1938 Craftsman lathe with full set of 
> gears. Any thoughts on this lathe are welcome. Models and cannons are my 
> thoughts. Good lathe or not? $300
>
> Jeff Allen
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jul  3 10:53:07 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 13:53:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT (Bristol 20)
In-Reply-To: <1304.64.61.214.168.1120390931.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
References: <000501c57ed8$fa6536a0$0abaa4cb@fred>
	<6f6025160507022321734c53d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1304.64.61.214.168.1120390931.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
Message-ID: <f9ae1a6ecd5d31b9567ba8fc8df0128e@chartertn.net>

When I saw the subject of this thread, I thought maybe they'd come out 
with a new really, really short NASCAR race here, for 
attention-impaired fans.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From nick at holden1.net  Sun Jul  3 13:10:57 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:10:57 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
References: <BAY5-DAV932656A80B32F35A9F458BBE20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42C84651.000001.01056@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Hi Rick you can look at some photos of a witte in my photos 
look at Hollowell
nick

 
 
Nick Holden
Banbury 
Oxfordshire (UK)
nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Richard Strobel
Date: 07/01/05 16:56:53
To: sel
Subject: [SEL] Mystery hopper
 
G'day all;
  Anyone recognize this hopper?  Looks like off an ~ 2hp or so:
 
http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480594gtGzGf
 
and another view:
 
http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/383480411CTcDqD
 
TIA
RickinMt.
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sun Jul  3 14:19:08 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 23:19:08 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Interesting engine lifter.
Message-ID: <000d01c58014$dd2e56b0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hi All,

When packing and loading my stuff at Astle Park last week,
I saw a guy loading his engine on a little different way as most
of us do. He had a special made trailer with a hydraulic lifting
device. Was surprised to see how easy it works and took some
pictures of the whole cycle.
The pics can be seen at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/Lifttrailer.htm

Maybe a nice winter project for someone.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jul  3 14:40:10 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 14:40:10 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
Message-ID: <20050703.144011.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
I am planning on buying a small forklift.  Here is a picture, how much do
you think it weighs?

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=72170722&Sequ
ence=0&res=high
The owner doesn't know anything about it.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Sun Jul  3 15:54:07 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 15:54:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
References: <20050703.144011.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <00ed01c58022$1fda22c0$cc4c6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

2360.376 pounds

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA 
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 2:40 PM
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question


Hi all.
I am planning on buying a small forklift.  Here is a picture, how much do
you think it weighs?

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=72170722&Sequ
ence=0&res=high
The owner doesn't know anything about it.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sun Jul  3 16:41:40 2005
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 00:41:40 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
In-Reply-To: <20050703.144011.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20050703.144011.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <atocwhu0eHyCFwSk@loud-n-clear.net>

In message <20050703.144011.1516.0.rdhaskell at juno.com>, 
rdhaskell at juno.com writes
>how much do you think it weighs?

Two tons or thereabouts...

Regards

      Pete
-- 
Peter Scales



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jul  3 16:52:21 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 16:52:21 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Re: [AT] Forklift question
Message-ID: <20050703.165221.1516.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Since I asked the question of both lists, I will reply to both.  The
owner says it has no tags on it, and he hasn't had it very long.  Just
long enough to get it running and the brakes fixed.  The trailer I would
like to take is a single axle 6,000 capacity.  Also would take heavy
channel iron to drive it on and park it on, so it doesn't drop through
the wood.  I thought someone would recognize it and know the model. 
Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jul  3 16:54:30 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 16:54:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
Message-ID: <20050703.165430.1516.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Jim.  I think you missed it by a couple of pounds.  Obviously you
didn't see the gas tank was full. <VBG>

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 15:54:07 -0700 "Jim and Diane"
<jd.kirkes at verizon.net> writes:
> 2360.376 pounds
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, CA 
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net


From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com  Sun Jul  3 17:41:19 2005
From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:41:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
References: <20050703.144011.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <003101c58031$18366ce0$9fc67040@user>

Ron, I have a Clark forklift that is rated at 5000 lbs capacity. It weighs
8300 lbs. Yours is smaller but they are heavy. Look on the machine for a
specification plate. They are on all the fork lifts and riveted to the
machine. Mine is on the dash. It may be painted over or missing but it is
worth a look. It will give the weight and capacity. We had one same as this
at work. Sold them off when we went to leasing our forklifts. Do not know
what they got for it. It was a handy one as it was very maneuverable.

Paul Russell
Riga, Michigan
hit_n_miss at tc3net.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 5:40 PM
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question


Hi all.
I am planning on buying a small forklift.  Here is a picture, how much do
you think it weighs?

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=72170722&Sequ
ence=0&res=high
The owner doesn't know anything about it.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From bcl at grandecom.net  Sun Jul  3 18:10:45 2005
From: bcl at grandecom.net (LEW BEST)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:10:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: [AT] Forklift question
In-Reply-To: <20050703.165221.1516.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <001001c58035$3860d7e0$9eedbcd8@OFFICELEW>




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 6:52 PM
To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Re: [AT] Forklift question

<<snip>>  The trailer I would
like to take is a single axle 6,000 capacity.  Also would take heavy
channel iron to drive it on and park it on, so it doesn't drop through
the wood.>>

Probably a bit heavy for that trailer but if you don't have to go far it
should be ok.  Definitely want the iron to spread the weight out!

Lew



From bcl at grandecom.net  Sun Jul  3 18:16:07 2005
From: bcl at grandecom.net (LEW BEST)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:16:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
In-Reply-To: <003101c58031$18366ce0$9fc67040@user>
Message-ID: <001101c58035$f4f86a30$9eedbcd8@OFFICELEW>

Hadn't thought about it but most trucks have a serial number/model
number stamped on the frame rails near the seat; number may give a clue
as to capacity; if not you can call a dealer & they'll have the weight.

Lew


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Russell
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 7:41 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Forklift question

Ron, I have a Clark forklift that is rated at 5000 lbs capacity. It
weighs
8300 lbs. Yours is smaller but they are heavy. Look on the machine for a
specification plate. They are on all the fork lifts and riveted to the
machine. Mine is on the dash. It may be painted over or missing but it
is
worth a look. It will give the weight and capacity. We had one same as
this
at work. Sold them off when we went to leasing our forklifts. Do not
know
what they got for it. It was a handy one as it was very maneuverable.

Paul Russell
Riga, Michigan
hit_n_miss at tc3net.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 5:40 PM
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question


Hi all.
I am planning on buying a small forklift.  Here is a picture, how much
do
you think it weighs?

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=72170722&Seq
u
ence=0&res=high
The owner doesn't know anything about it.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From glenn.karch at gte.net  Sun Jul  3 19:08:07 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:08:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
References: <20050703.144011.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c5803d$3a622c80$08a2123f@oemcomputer>

Ron,

My nephew has a Hyster forklift like that setting in his shop.  It will pick
up at least 3000 poundss so it likely weighs something over 4000 pounds..
It has a Wisconsin V 4 in it that never sounds like it runs right.  If the
steering is worn, it becomes a challenge to drive.  It probably dates back
into the 50's.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 4:40 PM
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question


> Hi all.
> I am planning on buying a small forklift.  Here is a picture, how much do
> you think it weighs?
>
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=72170722&Sequ
> ence=0&res=high
> The owner doesn't know anything about it.  Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul  3 20:44:17 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 04:44:17 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
In-Reply-To: <20050703.144011.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20050703.144011.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605070320443bf63ce8@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/3/05, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> Hi all.
> I am planning on buying a small forklift.  Here is a picture, how much do
> you think it weighs?
> 
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=72170722&Sequ
> ence=0&res=high
> The owner doesn't know anything about it.  Thanks.
> 
> Ron Haskell

Depends on the weight capacity, but you'd be looking at 2.0 to 2.5
tons or so at least, more if it is a heavyweight lifter. The balance
weight at the back goes a ton normally.

When one of our powder coaters closed down, he had an old fork lift
that he gave away to a friend of ours on condition that he collected
it. It was a small fork lift, but it nearly went through the bed of
his car transporter that our friend used to collect it...

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sun Jul  3 21:15:43 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:15:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
In-Reply-To: <20050703.144011.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200507040415.j644FkZZ031035@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi Ron, Is it the same one listed in the Wait  classifieds?  Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 2:40 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; at at lists.antique-tractor.com
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question

Hi all.
I am planning on buying a small forklift.  Here is a picture, how much do
you think it weighs?

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=72170722&Sequ
ence=0&res=high
The owner doesn't know anything about it.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Jul  3 21:20:30 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 00:20:30 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Another IHC LB Running
Message-ID: <9.47399bbd.2ffa130e@aol.com>

Hi List,
My latest project -- another IHC LB is now running correctly after  I finally 
figured out what was wrong with the governor control.  There was  an 
interference between the head and the governor control rod.  Before  getting rid of 
this interference, the engine operated at a fast RPM and its  speed could not be 
changed.
This engine arrived at my shop in a semi basket  condition -- head 
disassembled, oiling line off, piston and rod  rusted, rocker arm and shaft rusted, 
block caked in old oil, and the hopper  full of debris.  The head was in a very 
poor condition.  New valves  were remanufactured from old valves.  The head 
seats had to be  resurfaced.  Replacement valve stem oiling felts were fabricated  
from material obtained at a hobby shop.  Push rods, rocker arms and shaft  
were cleaned.  New oil wicking was made from two pieces of string cut  from my 
wife's string mop.  The shaft of the throttle control valve in  the head was 
frozen and had to be replaced.  The replacement shaft  was made from some ?" 
square brass tubing and 3/16" rod silver solder  together.  A new head gasket was 
made from a piece of material left over  from another uncompleted engine 
project.
A replacement gasoline tank was purchased from Hit-n-Miss  Enterprises.  A 
new ?" copper gasoline feed line using the old check  valve assembly was 
fabricated.  A bronze ball was used in this  assembly along with new bronze strainer 
screen.  A new compensating valve  disc was made from a fender washer.  The 
old compensating valve spring was  also replaced.  The choke shaft and spring 
were replace.  New home  made gaskets were used during reassembly of the 
compensator valve assembly and  mixer.
The cylinder bore was in a very sad condition.  A good  honing remedied this 
problem.  A replacement connecting rod and piston  along with a set of new 
rings were installed.
A replacement crank handle spring and pin was installed in the  flywheel.  
The head of the crank handle pin was slightly mushroomed so that  friction would 
hold this pin in place.  I didn't know that there was a  small hole at the 
bottom of pin hole which allowed the use of a small punch to  drive out the pin. 
 I did it the hard way by drilling and tapping the old  pin in order to 
remove it.
In addition of a new high tension wire, the magneto only need a  good 
cleaning and set of new gaskets.  An engine stop switch was fabricated  and installed 
on the magneto to stop the engine.  Strangely, the old spark  plug seems to 
work after only being wire brushed.
There is a small oil leak in the side plate which still has to  be addressed.
I would to thank everyone who very kindly replied to my inquiries  and 
questions, helped me understand how this engine was oiled, and provided  suggestions 
how to overcome various problems.  

 
Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jul  3 22:08:36 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 22:08:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
Message-ID: <20050703.220837.1516.5.rdhaskell@juno.com>

That's where I found it Jim.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:15:43 -0700 "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
writes:
> Hi Ron, Is it the same one listed in the Wait  classifieds?  Jimmy
> 
> Jim O'Hagan


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sun Jul  3 22:52:21 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 22:52:21 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
In-Reply-To: <20050703.220837.1516.5.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200507040552.j645qNUs073062@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Looks really nice for the money! That will real Good in YOUR yard. CYA Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 10:09 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Forklift question

That's where I found it Jim.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:15:43 -0700 "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
writes:
> Hi Ron, Is it the same one listed in the Wait  classifieds?  Jimmy
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Jul  3 15:03:56 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 18:03:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
In-Reply-To: <20050703.144011.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20050703.144011.1516.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050703180321.02250440@mail.alltel.net>

3.5-4 tons!
         Dave
>Hi all.
>I am planning on buying a small forklift.  Here is a picture, how much do
>you think it weighs?
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=72170722&Sequ
>ence=0&res=high
>The owner doesn't know anything about it.  Thanks.
>Ron Haskell



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Jul  3 17:33:34 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 20:33:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: [AT] Forklift question
In-Reply-To: <20050703.165221.1516.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20050703.165221.1516.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050703203030.0222fec0@mail.alltel.net>

You will be overloaded by about 2,000 lbs. However the trailer will carry 
the load with no trouble if you are not going over 50 miles, or so. As I 
said earlier, the unit weighs about 7,000 lbs.
         Dave
PS, I take for granted that you are not pulling it with a VW!

>Since I asked the question of both lists, I will reply to both.  The
>owner says it has no tags on it, and he hasn't had it very long.  Just
>long enough to get it running and the brakes fixed.  The trailer I would
>like to take is a single axle 6,000 capacity.  Also would take heavy
>channel iron to drive it on and park it on, so it doesn't drop through
>the wood.  I thought someone would recognize it and know the model.
>Thanks.
>
>Ron Haskell



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jul  4 00:12:40 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 17:12:40 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Another IHC LB Running
References: <9.47399bbd.2ffa130e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <04db01c5806a$645073d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Hey Francis, it doesnt matter what the restoration engine is, rare or 
common, the feeling on getting it done and making sweet music is something 
that cannot be explained to the 'Others' who aint in the hobby.
I suppose its like scoring a goal or whatever in them 'Ballgames'  , but the 
enjoyment goes on longer. VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 2:20 PM
Subject: [SEL] Another IHC LB Running


Hi List,
My latest project -- another IHC LB is now running correctly after  I 
finally
figured out what was wrong with the governor control.  There was  an
interference between the head and the governor control rod.  Before  getting 
rid of
this interference, the engine operated at a fast RPM and its  speed could 
not be
changed.
This engine arrived at my shop in a semi basket  condition -- head
disassembled, oiling line off, piston and rod  rusted, rocker arm and shaft 
rusted,
block caked in old oil, and the hopper  full of debris.  The head was in a 
very
poor condition.  New valves  were remanufactured from old valves.  The head
seats had to be  resurfaced.  Replacement valve stem oiling felts were 
fabricated
from material obtained at a hobby shop.  Push rods, rocker arms and shaft
were cleaned.  New oil wicking was made from two pieces of string cut  from 
my
wife's string mop.  The shaft of the throttle control valve in  the head was
frozen and had to be replaced.  The replacement shaft  was made from some ?"
square brass tubing and 3/16" rod silver solder  together.  A new head 
gasket was
made from a piece of material left over  from another uncompleted engine
project.
A replacement gasoline tank was purchased from Hit-n-Miss  Enterprises.  A
new ?" copper gasoline feed line using the old check  valve assembly was
fabricated.  A bronze ball was used in this  assembly along with new bronze 
strainer
screen.  A new compensating valve  disc was made from a fender washer.  The
old compensating valve spring was  also replaced.  The choke shaft and 
spring
were replace.  New home  made gaskets were used during reassembly of the
compensator valve assembly and  mixer.
The cylinder bore was in a very sad condition.  A good  honing remedied this
problem.  A replacement connecting rod and piston  along with a set of new
rings were installed.
A replacement crank handle spring and pin was installed in the  flywheel.
The head of the crank handle pin was slightly mushroomed so that  friction 
would
hold this pin in place.  I didn't know that there was a  small hole at the
bottom of pin hole which allowed the use of a small punch to  drive out the 
pin.
 I did it the hard way by drilling and tapping the old  pin in order to
remove it.
In addition of a new high tension wire, the magneto only need a  good
cleaning and set of new gaskets.  An engine stop switch was fabricated  and 
installed
on the magneto to stop the engine.  Strangely, the old spark  plug seems to
work after only being wire brushed.
There is a small oil leak in the side plate which still has to  be 
addressed.
I would to thank everyone who very kindly replied to my inquiries  and
questions, helped me understand how this engine was oiled, and provided 
suggestions
how to overcome various problems

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA


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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jul  4 02:19:20 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon,  4 Jul 2005 05:19:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Ackroyd Question
Message-ID: <1120468760.42c8ff18e3ebe@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

I was perusing a Spring 2002 issue of Vaporising in the French's "reading room"
and ran across the following bit in an article on restoring an 1895 split frame
(girder frame) Hornsby Ackroyd engine, 12-1/2 hp.

"The piston itself was about 12 inches across and was constructed with removable
top lands for servicing the rings.  You just undo four bolts and remove the top
land, then a ring, and then so on down the piston."

OK, that's pretty wierd, but also pretty interesting.

Does anyone have any more info (like pictures) of this setup?  ISTR that some of
the blokes in Oz have these girder frame Hornsby Ackroyds.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
(currently of Kibworth-Harcourt)
fero_ah at city-net.com


From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Mon Jul  4 04:04:57 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 21:04:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Another IHC LB Running
References: <9.47399bbd.2ffa130e@aol.com>
	<04db01c5806a$645073d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <001f01c58088$36fd3a80$e7a7ecdc@morris>

Well done Francis and well said Reg

Kerry


> Hey Francis, it doesnt matter what the restoration engine is, rare or 
> common, the feeling on getting it done and making sweet music is something 
> that cannot be explained to the 'Others' who aint in the hobby.
> I suppose its like scoring a goal or whatever in them 'Ballgames'  , but 
> the enjoyment goes on longer. VBG
> Reg 



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From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 13:02:36
Subject: [SEL] Independance Day
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050704130236.009e8c98@127.0.0.1>

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From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Jul  4 04:41:24 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 21:41:24 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Underwood (OZ)
In-Reply-To: <000c01c57fbc$ba371b40$e7a7ecdc@morris>
References: <000501c57ed8$fa6536a0$0abaa4cb@fred>
	<6f6025160507022321734c53d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050704213827.00b27190@mail.ncable.com.au>

G'day Kerry
Mate there was an article in a past TOMM on the very engine. Not sure what 
issue but was about 3 years ago. My brother inlaw has one which he will 
most likely do nothing with. Could send some pics if needed. They were made 
in Melbourne; I think the same company made marine engines also.
Russell

At 08:48 PM 3/07/2005 +1000, you wrote:
>G'Day All
>
>There was a Underwood engine at the National much like a ronny N does 
>anyone know where Underwoods were made.
>
>Thanks
>
>Kerry
>
>Lithgow NSW OZ
>_______________________________________________
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Mon Jul  4 05:38:27 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 22:38:27 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cooper Coffee Pot anyone?
Message-ID: <42C92DC3.3060200@steamengine.com.au>

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11752&item=7527342482&rd=1
-- 

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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Mon Jul  4 06:16:43 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:16:43 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Underwood now Goldfields  (OZ)
References: <000501c57ed8$fa6536a0$0abaa4cb@fred><6f6025160507022321734c53d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20050704213827.00b27190@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <003d01c5809a$9f4deb90$e7a7ecdc@morris>

Thanks David and Russell

Been through dozens of TOMMS looking for OZ engine data not seen Underwood 
will look HARDER.
Now where was Goldfields built ?

Thanks again for you help, will release OZ engine web site soon




> G'day Kerry
> Mate there was an article in a past TOMM on the very engine. Not sure what 
> issue but was about 3 years ago. My brother inlaw has one which he will 
> most likely do nothing with. Could send some pics if needed. They were 
> made in Melbourne; I think the same company made marine engines also.
> Russell
>
> At 08:48 PM 3/07/2005 +1000, you wrote:
>>G'Day All
>>
>>There was a Underwood engine at the National much like a ronny N does 
>>anyone know where Underwoods were made.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Kerry
>>
>>Lithgow NSW OZ
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Jul  4 06:48:50 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:48:50 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Another IHC LB Running
Message-ID: <141.48990152.2ffa9842@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/4/2005 12:57:40 AM Pacific Standard Time,  
randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes:

Hey  Francis, it doesnt matter what the restoration engine is, rare or 
common,  the feeling on getting it done and making sweet music is something 
that  cannot be explained to the 'Others' who aint in the  hobby.


Thanks.
Yes, it is a thrill when an old pile rusty metal comes back to  life.  This 
engine starts quickly just as the operator's manual describes  -- hold the 
choke down for two revolutions, release the choke, continue to crank  (usually two 
revoutions) until engine starts.  This engine starts very  slowly and it 
seems it takes a little time for it to come up to speed.  It  operates smoothly.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Jul  4 06:49:51 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:49:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Another IHC LB Running
Message-ID: <84.48c8a1de.2ffa987f@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/4/2005 4:34:05 AM Pacific Standard Time,  
ozengine at optusnet.com.au writes:

Well  done Francis and well said Reg


Thanks,  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jul  4 06:51:00 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:51:00 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Ackroyd Question
In-Reply-To: <1120468760.42c8ff18e3ebe@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050704135038.VDMY21584.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Hi Arnie,
	I will check with my sources as to the construction of the Akroyd
pistons as I have never seen an Akroyd piston out of the engine. 
I have seen the piston out of a very large, very early Crossley. This piston
came apart to allow the rings to be removed. A very strange but workable
design.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

Hi Folks,

I was perusing a Spring 2002 issue of Vaporising in the French's "reading
room"
and ran across the following bit in an article on restoring an 1895 split
frame
(girder frame) Hornsby Ackroyd engine, 12-1/2 hp.

"The piston itself was about 12 inches across and was constructed with
removable
top lands for servicing the rings.  You just undo four bolts and remove the
top
land, then a ring, and then so on down the piston."

OK, that's pretty wierd, but also pretty interesting.

Does anyone have any more info (like pictures) of this setup?  ISTR that
some of
the blokes in Oz have these girder frame Hornsby Ackroyds.

See ya,  Arnie




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jul  4 06:55:01 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:55:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Another IHC LB Running
In-Reply-To: <9.47399bbd.2ffa130e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050704135439.UQTX19806.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Always great to hear of another engine coming to life. Congratulations.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----

Hi List,
My latest project -- another IHC LB is now running correctly after  I
finally 
figured out what was wrong with the governor control.  
I would to thank everyone who very kindly replied to my inquiries  and 
questions, helped me understand how this engine was oiled, and provided
suggestions 
how to overcome various problems.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA






From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jul  4 06:59:05 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:59:05 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Underwood now Goldfields  (OZ)
In-Reply-To: <003d01c5809a$9f4deb90$e7a7ecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <20050704135844.USJT19806.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Golfields built by Goldfields Diamond Drilling Co. of Sturt St. South
Melbourne. Supposedly there was only 24 built.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----)

Thanks David and Russell

Been through dozens of TOMMS looking for OZ engine data not seen Underwood 
will look HARDER.
Now where was Goldfields built ?

Thanks again for you help, will release OZ engine web site soon



From rexhinz at chorus.net  Mon Jul  4 07:17:35 2005
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:17:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Another IHC LB Running
References: <9.47399bbd.2ffa130e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001001c580a3$22c6b6c0$6286a5d8@mycomputer>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>

Hi List,
My latest project -- another IHC LB is now running correctly after  I
finally
figured out what was wrong with the governor control.   (SNIP)

     Hi Francis and All ;

        I have a 1-1/2 hp LA , my first engine , it  looked like one piece
of rusty iron , I had to sleeve it and build the complete govoner rod system
,
after around $500 (much more then the engine will ever be worth) and many
hours labor and brain over loads it was running just like a Hit Miss engine
,
when it fires it sends a neat smoke ring into the air , I have had other
engine displayers ask me what I did to make it blow such neat rings, the
answer ,
I don't know but I'm not going to change it ,  The feeling you get when you
make an old hunk of Iron come back to life must is almost better then sex or
a can
of Ole Milwaulee(almost) , I now have around ten engines much older then the
La all running but when I start the LA the thrill is revisited. I love all
engines
wheather its an La or a 15 HP IHC , I am now working on a Cushman Cub  a
common engine but just as neat as the LA


Rex Hinz


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From nick at holden1.net  Mon Jul  4 07:58:30 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 15:58:30 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] Astle Park
References: <ff.16b0b72e.2ff937ba@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42C94E96.000001.03456@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Hi Tom yes its the only one i have seen and i want one !!!!!! 


 
Nick Holden
Banbury 
Oxfordshire (UK)
SKYPE nickholden1
nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Germoamer at aol.com
Date: 07/03/05 14:03:16
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Astle Park
 
In a message dated 6/27/2005 11:42:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
nick at holden1.net writes:
 
<< just back from a very good day out at Astle Park rally >>
 
 
Nick,
 
Thanks for sharing the photo's.  Beautiful 1/2 New Holland.  I would assume
a
rare bird over there?
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
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From chesnimnus at juno.com  Mon Jul  4 13:51:01 2005
From: chesnimnus at juno.com (Colin M Rush)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 13:51:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] IHC Model 55 Hay Baler parts wanted
Message-ID: <20050704.135101.3800.0.chesnimnus@juno.com>

Hello,
        I have a friend that is looking for some parts for the engine
unit used on the Model 55-T or Model 55-W Hay Baler made by International
Harvester.  This has a 113 CID gas engine, and looks virtually identical
to a Farmall A except it is less the wheels and transmission, and has
different sheet metal and a belt drive unit on the rear.  We are near
Portland, Oregon.

He needs, in any condition:

radiator;
grille (looks different than a Farmall, is taller and looks like a
homemade sheetmetal box with screen);
spark arrestor (does not use a muffler with raincap like the Farmalls),
this is the pipe from from the manifold up;
air cleaner assembly (the main assembly is identical to a Farmall A, but
it has a different precleaner, but that is still available new);
front crank (may or may not be the same as a Farmall A);
rear crank (to fit the belt drive unit)
rear crank nut (this is the part the crank pin engages, fits onto the
drive shaft, someone took it off long ago);
top and side sheet metal cowlings or fairings;
oil filler breather cap (I believe this is the same as Farmall A, and
there should be a yellow decal near the base);
governor rod (this is the one between the carb and the arm off of the
governor, this is still available new);
hour meter with associated mounting panel and wiring (this was an
optional item, and is mounted on the right {passenger} side of the motor
on the bellhousing);
and generator brackets (both the one on the block and the one on the
water pump, I believe this is the same as Farmall A);
and that is all for now.

Also, if you have one of these units, and it still has the decals, I
would like to get some photos of the decals.  The parts book shows this
as being devoid of decals except for one, and ours has a bunch that are
not in the pictures, but is missing the one that is.  

If you have any of this stuff, drop me a line with your e-mail address or
phone number, and I will forward it onto him, and he can contact you. 
Thanks in advance for your help.

-Colin Rush


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Jul  4 15:24:35 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:24:35 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Astle Park
Message-ID: <b8.75c1051b.2ffb1123@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/4/2005 2:09:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
nick at holden1.net writes:

<< Hi Tom yes its the only one i have seen and i want one !!!!!!  >>


Nick,

I am the lucky owner of one, check it out.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Jul  4 15:30:44 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:30:44 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Another IHC LB Running
Message-ID: <97.62bf68a6.2ffb1294@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/4/2005 12:48:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
FRM8198 at aol.com writes:

<< There was  an 
 interference between the head and the governor control rod >>


Francis,

Always a great feeling to solve a problem.  Enjoyed reading about what all 
you did to restore the engine to running condition!  I have a 3-5 LA that I took 
off a stationary hay baler that has the large capacity dust collector.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jul  4 15:39:49 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 08:39:49 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Astle Park
References: <ff.16b0b72e.2ff937ba@aol.com>
	<42C94E96.000001.03456@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
Message-ID: <004701c580ea$d866de50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I hope you have lots of money.
They are regularly fetchingUS$13000 +
I have a half and a quarter size model.  Cannot get the 1/4 size to run 
though.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "nick" <nick at holden1.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Astle Park


Hi Tom yes its the only one i have seen and i want one !!!!!!



Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
SKYPE nickholden1
nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
-------Original Message-------

From: Germoamer at aol.com
Date: 07/03/05 14:03:16
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Astle Park

In a message dated 6/27/2005 11:42:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
nick at holden1.net writes:

<< just back from a very good day out at Astle Park rally >>


Nick,

Thanks for sharing the photo's.  Beautiful 1/2 New Holland.  I would assume
a
rare bird over there?

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jul  4 18:03:31 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:03:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Forklift update
Message-ID: <20050704.180331.1208.5.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
Today I went and got the Hyster forklift.  Drove it on the trailer,
didn't seem too much weight.  The owner removed two counter weights and
we put them in the pickup.  300 mile round trip, with no excitement like
yesterdays try. (I'll explain that later)
The ID number is:  B1D 8550P.  Does that mean anything to anyone?
Picture at:

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=72181642&Sequ
ence=0&res=high

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Mon Jul  4 20:21:58 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 20:21:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Forklift update
References: <20050704.180331.1208.5.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <01fa01c58110$b54f2550$cc4c6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

You look like a natural born forklift driver, I see a great future for you 
in retirement.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 6:03 PM
Subject: [SEL] Forklift update


Hi all.
Today I went and got the Hyster forklift.  Drove it on the trailer,
didn't seem too much weight.  The owner removed two counter weights and
we put them in the pickup.  300 mile round trip, with no excitement like
yesterdays try. (I'll explain that later)
The ID number is:  B1D 8550P.  Does that mean anything to anyone?
Picture at:

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=72181642&Sequ
ence=0&res=high

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jul  4 22:08:14 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 22:08:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] First forklift attempt
Message-ID: <20050704.220814.1208.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all
This is the story of Sunday's attempt to retrieve the forklift from
Tehachapi CA.  Delete now in you are not interested.

I left home about 8:30 AM. topped off with Diesel, went about three
blocks and stopped for a left turn.  I should tell you I drive a '94
Dodge Diesel 4x4.   The light turns green, I run through second gear, go
into third and the engine spins freely, try fourth and nothing.  A string
of cars behind me is backing up and to my right is another line also
making the lift turn.  I put it in four wheel drive and made it over to
the right shoulder.
I get out and expect to see the rear drive shaft on the ground, but there
was no sound.  The first thing I notice is the left rear tire is sticking
out about a foot more than it should, and gear oil is dripping on the
ground.  The nut holding the bearings on the spindle had backed off, the
tire,hub, brake drum, and axle had all come out of the housing.  I jacked
it up and pushed it part way back in, but the brake shoes wouldn't go
back in  the drum.

For a minute I considered fixing it there, but the steady stream of cars
and trucks whizzing by made me reconsider.  I called my friendly tow
company to haul the truck and another friend to get the trailer.

Back at home after much cleaning I found that the small metal clip that
is driven into the plastic insert of the retaining nut had come loose and
was laying pulverized in the hub.  A new set of brake shoes,  axle seal,
three hours cleaning and chasing parts and I was back on the road.

Not exactly what I had planned, but it could have been a lot worse.  Like
breaking down 150 miles from home instead of 2.  Or having the wheel come
off on a curve at speed with the forklift on the trailer.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Jul  4 22:17:56 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:17:56 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT..Sheep Warning
Message-ID: <001801c58120$ecc00170$289081cb@ogborneuah38i3>

While driving the 400 km home to Albany today i heard on the radio a warning 
for sheep farmers . Now this could be because it is cold or perhaps there 
are some New Zealanders in the district !!
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Jul  4 21:25:23 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 21:25:23
Subject: [SEL] Paxman Ricardo find
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050704212523.009c2b70@127.0.0.1>

Hi All,
	Have a look at our latest find. A Paxman Ricardo RQ 3 cylinder diesel. Any
info appreciated.

www.oldengine.org/members/evans/rp.htm
Best regards
Jerry Evans.
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Jul  4 22:23:17 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:23:17 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Latest installment of the Ruston PB3 - Tearing it down...
References: <42C663C5.1050205@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <000201c5812e$d53caf90$8a9881cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Paul ....do you have the original exhaust ? I have the same engine although 
it is the Sandovers version. It was minus the exhaust but i good friend now 
deceased had the pattern and had one cast for me.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Pavlinovich" <pjp at steamengine.com.au>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "The SEL email discussion list" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 5:52 PM
Subject: [SEL] Latest installment of the Ruston PB3 - Tearing it down...


> If you're interested in this story - here is the next installment.
>
> http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/rh-pb3/teardown.html
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Paul
> -- 
>
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> www.steamengine.com.au
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From paul at semidiesel.com  Tue Jul  5 00:22:14 2005
From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 08:22:14 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Paxman Ricardo find
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20050704212523.009c2b70@127.0.0.1>
References: <3.0.6.32.20050704212523.009c2b70@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <42CA3526.5010106@semidiesel.com>

Jerry Evans wrote:

>Hi All,
>	Have a look at our latest find. A Paxman Ricardo RQ 3 cylinder diesel. Any
>info appreciated.
>  
>
Hi Jerry,
Quite a rare lump.

Local guy here has a 4 cylinder and we just passed him the name of a guy 
with a manual and parts list.

I'l try and organise a copy and scan it.

Paul

Internal Fire Museum of Power
Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, Uk

http://www.internalfire.com


From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  5 01:41:51 2005
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 18:41:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Underwood now Goldfields (OZ)
In-Reply-To: <003d01c5809a$9f4deb90$e7a7ecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <BAY14-F17AA147C73C3F8A118CFABBAE60@phx.gbl>

Hi Kerry to save you looking underwood article in issue 80 of tomm. Dave

>From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Underwood now Goldfields  (OZ)
>Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:16:43 +1000
>
>Thanks David and Russell
>
>Been through dozens of TOMMS looking for OZ engine data not seen Underwood 
>will look HARDER.
>Now where was Goldfields built ?
>
>Thanks again for you help, will release OZ engine web site soon
>
>
>
>
>>G'day Kerry
>>Mate there was an article in a past TOMM on the very engine. Not sure what 
>>issue but was about 3 years ago. My brother inlaw has one which he will 
>>most likely do nothing with. Could send some pics if needed. They were 
>>made in Melbourne; I think the same company made marine engines also.
>>Russell
>>
>>At 08:48 PM 3/07/2005 +1000, you wrote:
>>>G'Day All
>>>
>>>There was a Underwood engine at the National much like a ronny N does 
>>>anyone know where Underwoods were made.
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>Kerry
>>>
>>>Lithgow NSW OZ
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>>
>>Russell Gilbert
>>Sunny Sunraysia
>>russell at ncable.com.au
>>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>>
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From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jul  5 05:34:41 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 08:34:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Underwood now Goldfields  (OZ)
In-Reply-To: <20050704135844.USJT19806.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20050704135844.USJT19806.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <42CA7E61.6080209@imc-group.com>

Patrick,
Like this one we saw at Narracoorte?
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Australia2005%20283.jpg>

Didn't realize it was such a rare bird!
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

>Golfields built by Goldfields Diamond Drilling Co. of Sturt St. South
>Melbourne. Supposedly there was only 24 built.
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>-----Original Message-----)
>
>Thanks David and Russell
>
>Been through dozens of TOMMS looking for OZ engine data not seen Underwood 
>will look HARDER.
>Now where was Goldfields built ?
>
>Thanks again for you help, will release OZ engine web site soon
>
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>
>  
>



From rholtzer at earthlink.net  Tue Jul  5 07:12:52 2005
From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 07:12:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] First forklift attempt
In-Reply-To: <20050704.220814.1208.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20050705071227.00c412e8@mail.earthlink.net>

Bummer!  Glad it wasn't worse.

Bob Holtzer

At 10:08 PM 7/4/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi all
>This is the story of Sunday's attempt to retrieve the forklift from
>Tehachapi CA.  Delete now in you are not interested.
>
>I left home about 8:30 AM. topped off with Diesel, went about three
>blocks and stopped for a left turn.  I should tell you I drive a '94
>Dodge Diesel 4x4.   The light turns green, I run through second gear, go
>into third and the engine spins freely, try fourth and nothing.  A string
>of cars behind me is backing up and to my right is another line also
>making the lift turn.  I put it in four wheel drive and made it over to
>the right shoulder.
>I get out and expect to see the rear drive shaft on the ground, but there
>was no sound.  The first thing I notice is the left rear tire is sticking
>out about a foot more than it should, and gear oil is dripping on the
>ground.  The nut holding the bearings on the spindle had backed off, the
>tire,hub, brake drum, and axle had all come out of the housing.  I jacked
>it up and pushed it part way back in, but the brake shoes wouldn't go
>back in  the drum.
>
>For a minute I considered fixing it there, but the steady stream of cars
>and trucks whizzing by made me reconsider.  I called my friendly tow
>company to haul the truck and another friend to get the trailer.
>
>Back at home after much cleaning I found that the small metal clip that
>is driven into the plastic insert of the retaining nut had come loose and
>was laying pulverized in the hub.  A new set of brake shoes,  axle seal,
>three hours cleaning and chasing parts and I was back on the road.
>
>Not exactly what I had planned, but it could have been a lot worse.  Like
>breaking down 150 miles from home instead of 2.  Or having the wheel come
>off on a curve at speed with the forklift on the trailer.
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California
>USA
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Jul  5 08:07:15 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 11:07:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] First forklift attempt
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20050705071227.00c412e8@mail.earthlink.net>
References: <4.2.2.20050705071227.00c412e8@mail.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <42CAA223.2050902@scrtc.com>

Ron,

    We've all had some "special moments" while getting the old iron or 
things associated with it.  Thank goodness your's was one with a happy 
ending.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY 


>
>> Hi all
>> This is the story of Sunday's attempt to retrieve the forklift from
>> Tehachapi CA.  Delete now in you are not interested.
>>
>> I left home about 8:30 AM. topped off with Diesel, went about three
>> blocks and stopped for a left turn.  I should tell you I drive a '94
>> Dodge Diesel 4x4.   The light turns green, I run through second gear, go
>> into third and the engine spins freely, try fourth and nothing.  A 
>> string
>> of cars behind me is backing up and to my right is another line also
>> making the lift turn.  I put it in four wheel drive and made it over to
>> the right shoulder.
>> I get out and expect to see the rear drive shaft on the ground, but 
>> there
>> was no sound.  The first thing I notice is the left rear tire is 
>> sticking
>> out about a foot more than it should, and gear oil is dripping on the
>> ground.  The nut holding the bearings on the spindle had backed off, the
>> tire,hub, brake drum, and axle had all come out of the housing.  I 
>> jacked
>> it up and pushed it part way back in, but the brake shoes wouldn't go
>> back in  the drum.
>>
>> For a minute I considered fixing it there, but the steady stream of cars
>> and trucks whizzing by made me reconsider.  I called my friendly tow
>> company to haul the truck and another friend to get the trailer.
>>
>> Back at home after much cleaning I found that the small metal clip that
>> is driven into the plastic insert of the retaining nut had come loose 
>> and
>> was laying pulverized in the hub.  A new set of brake shoes,  axle seal,
>> three hours cleaning and chasing parts and I was back on the road.
>>
>> Not exactly what I had planned, but it could have been a lot worse.  
>> Like
>> breaking down 150 miles from home instead of 2.  Or having the wheel 
>> come
>> off on a curve at speed with the forklift on the trailer.
>>
>> Ron Haskell
>> rdhaskell at juno.com
>> Riverside, California
>> USA
>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jul  5 08:43:27 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 08:43:27 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FW: From Pete Lowe
Message-ID: <200507051543.j65FhhAL079061@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>



Hi all
Is anyone going to this auction 
http://www.nixonauctioneers.com/listings/jorgensen.html  Hampton, Iowa, 
September 17, 2005

If so could you please find out who buys the R&V Easy Cooler engine #BS7208 
and pass on their details to me.

Regards
Peter Lowe
International R&V Registrar
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm 





From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  5 08:56:50 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 15:56:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures from June 25
Message-ID: <BAY103-F36402DF9FA5C915B89E499C8E60@phx.gbl>

Some very interestings items were on display at the Gilmore Car Museum in 
Hickory Corners, Michigan.  Hope you enjoy looking at them.........

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/kzoo05/kzoo05.html

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From nick at holden1.net  Tue Jul  5 11:28:36 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 19:28:36 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] Astle Park
References: <b8.75c1051b.2ffb1123@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42CAD154.000001.00560@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Hi Tom nice looking engine but if Reg is right about the price then
........... i can live without one
Nick 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Germoamer at aol.com
Date: 07/04/05 23:42:06
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Astle Park
 
In a message dated 7/4/2005 2:09:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
nick at holden1.net writes:
 
<< Hi Tom yes its the only one i have seen and i want one !!!!!!  >>
 
 
Nick,
 
I am the lucky owner of one, check it out.
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Tue Jul  5 12:37:13 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 21:37:13 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Big Yellow Bible reprint.
Message-ID: <000701c58198$f5125a80$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Good news for old iron lovers.

http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi/noframes/read/31015


John H.



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  5 13:34:28 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:34:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] First forklift attempt
In-Reply-To: <20050704.220814.1208.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F57D8A0A414D5E0C7CD4E695E60@phx.gbl>

Wow Ron, That sounds like my luck. When I picked up my International saw 
rig, I couldn't get it loaded until almost dark. I started home and less 
than five miles one trailer tire blew, before I could get off the road to a 
safe place the other one blew!  I spent the best part of that evening trying 
to find spares and  getting them put on in the dark. steve

>From: rdhaskell at juno.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com, at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>Subject: [SEL] First forklift attempt
>Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 22:08:14 -0700
>
>Hi all
>This is the story of Sunday's attempt to retrieve the forklift from
>Tehachapi CA.  Delete now in you are not interested.
>
>I left home about 8:30 AM. topped off with Diesel, went about three
>blocks and stopped for a left turn.  I should tell you I drive a '94
>Dodge Diesel 4x4.   The light turns green, I run through second gear, go
>into third and the engine spins freely, try fourth and nothing.  A string
>of cars behind me is backing up and to my right is another line also
>making the lift turn.  I put it in four wheel drive and made it over to
>the right shoulder.
>I get out and expect to see the rear drive shaft on the ground, but there
>was no sound.  The first thing I notice is the left rear tire is sticking
>out about a foot more than it should, and gear oil is dripping on the
>ground.  The nut holding the bearings on the spindle had backed off, the
>tire,hub, brake drum, and axle had all come out of the housing.  I jacked
>it up and pushed it part way back in, but the brake shoes wouldn't go
>back in  the drum.
>
>For a minute I considered fixing it there, but the steady stream of cars
>and trucks whizzing by made me reconsider.  I called my friendly tow
>company to haul the truck and another friend to get the trailer.
>
>Back at home after much cleaning I found that the small metal clip that
>is driven into the plastic insert of the retaining nut had come loose and
>was laying pulverized in the hub.  A new set of brake shoes,  axle seal,
>three hours cleaning and chasing parts and I was back on the road.
>
>Not exactly what I had planned, but it could have been a lot worse.  Like
>breaking down 150 miles from home instead of 2.  Or having the wheel come
>off on a curve at speed with the forklift on the trailer.
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California
>USA
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Jul  5 23:41:00 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 23:41:00
Subject: [SEL] Paxman Ricardo find
In-Reply-To: <200507051000.j65A08pk010053@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050705234100.009c7a30@127.0.0.1>

Thanks Paul that would be great
Regards
Jerry

>Message: 23
>Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 08:22:14 +0100
>From: Paul Evans <paul at semidiesel.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Paxman Ricardo find
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
>Jerry Evans wrote:
>
>>Hi All,
>>	Have a look at our latest find. A Paxman Ricardo RQ 3 cylinder diesel. Any
>>info appreciated.
>>  
>>
>Hi Jerry,
>Quite a rare lump.
>
>Local guy here has a 4 cylinder and we just passed him the name of a guy 
>with a manual and parts list.
>
>I'l try and organise a copy and scan it.
>
>Paul
>
>Internal Fire Museum of Power
>Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, Uk
>
>http://www.internalfire.com

Best regards
Jerry Evans.
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From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Jul  5 14:46:50 2005
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 22:46:50 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Astle Park
References: <b8.75c1051b.2ffb1123@aol.com>
	<42CAD154.000001.00560@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
Message-ID: <004801c581ab$0f84cf80$2a9b2f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi, Nick ,
My mate has just bought a 3 hp at a sale in the US . It now completes his 
set which is a 1/2 hp , a 1 1/2 hp , a 1 1/2 hp high base , a 2 hp , a 3hp , 
a 4 hp & a 5 hp.  Would you say he is a lucky guy or what.

See ya , Craig in Scotland
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "nick" <nick at holden1.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Astle Park


Hi Tom nice looking engine but if Reg is right about the price then
........... i can live without one
Nick

-------Original Message-------

From: Germoamer at aol.com
Date: 07/04/05 23:42:06
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Astle Park

In a message dated 7/4/2005 2:09:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
nick at holden1.net writes:

<< Hi Tom yes its the only one i have seen and i want one !!!!!!  >>


Nick,

I am the lucky owner of one, check it out.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Jul  5 14:54:10 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:54:10 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Astle Park
Message-ID: <7a.76aba499.2ffc5b82@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/4/2005 7:22:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes:

<< Cannot get the 1/4 size to run 
 though. >>


Reg,

No sense keeping something that will not run.  Send it over here and I will 
display it beside mine!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Jul  5 16:29:48 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:29:48 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Fw: scrap metal drive in Australia
Message-ID: <003701c581b9$73e09c80$f39f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>





>I recently posted something about Smorgons scrap metal drive in Australia. 
>I had a call from a farmer the other day . He has arranged for Smorgons to 
>collect his scrap metal from the farm in a months time. He has invited me 
>to look over the scrap heap first and take anything that i think is of 
>value.
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  5 17:59:08 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:59:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Trailer Safety
In-Reply-To: <20050704.220814.1208.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20050706005908.14522.qmail@web31308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello Folks,

I just had to tell y'all 'bout what happened to me last Friday at work.
Thursday evening I hooked up my big trailer to my 1991 Dodge D250 with the Cummins turbo diesel.
I drove it to work on Friday to pick up a stack of 5' X 12' pallets that I am grabbing lumber from
to build a shed.  When I left and drove home all seemed fine until I got to my yard and hit an
uneven spot and the trailer felt wrong.

I got out and saw the insert was gone from my hitch and I had pulled the trailer home on the
safely crossed safety chains.  Being a heavy, two axle trailer with a hitch that is the same
height as the bumper it had pulled great on level road. The trucks loud diesel engine & stiff
suspension seemed to cover up any little bumps from the trailer at starts & stops.

We jumped into our mini-van and traced my path back to work and didn't find the insert so I went
and bought another one plus a locking pin for a total of just over $87.

I came home and put it on the truck and used a pipewrench to attach the new ball.  I went to toss
the pipewrench into the truck and it landed on the very same insert that some jerk had removed
from my hitch!!!!  It still had the pin and it's clip with it too!!!!

What I am having trouple with is WHY!!!!
Why go to all the trouble of removing it then just throw it on the floor in my truck,,,,

I can see where they lifted the tounge off the hitch with a forklift.  That would have made it
easy to pop the hitch out.  They buggered the release lever on the tounge a bit too.  The new
hitch will stay put with it's locking pin plus I will straighten out the bent release lever and
start locking it too.

I have nailed down the most likely suspect and have a good plan of attack for tomorrow to confront
him.  He was the best suspect and today he was the only one that I talked to about it that was
always looking away when he said anything about it or I made point that hit home.

This seems to be just an attempt to cause me major trouble.  A very stupid attempt.  The trailer
and it's load weighed close to 4000 pounds.  If that monster had come loose into traffic it would
have been deadly.  Then it would have been the police asked questions at work.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan

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From transteck at earthlink.net  Tue Jul  5 19:25:33 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 20:25:33 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw: scrap metal drive in Australia
In-Reply-To: <003701c581b9$73e09c80$f39f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <003701c581b9$73e09c80$f39f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <42CB411D.6090504@earthlink.net>

So you will now shit or get off the pot Peter. It's now been offered to 
you before the scrap man gets a chance. Nuff said.

Jeff Allen

peter ogborne wrote:

>
>
>
>
>> I recently posted something about Smorgons scrap metal drive in 
>> Australia. I had a call from a farmer the other day . He has arranged 
>> for Smorgons to collect his scrap metal from the farm in a months 
>> time. He has invited me to look over the scrap heap first and take 
>> anything that i think is of value.
>> Peter Ogborne
>> Little Grove ,Albany
>> West Australia
>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>> jopeter at omninet.net.au 
>
>
>
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Tue Jul  5 19:35:54 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 20:35:54 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Museum Photos
Message-ID: <42CB438A.50403@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

I had the opportunity to visit a newly opened collection today. Heard 
stories for some time and what a pleasure. The collection does exist, 
and is now open to the public on a limited basis. I was told half of the 
collection is on display, and the other half is not. Well worth a visit 
if you are in the area, but I have put it online for all of you. Some 
fuzzy signs, but most came out good. Layout does require high speed 
connection or patience.

Enjoy at:
http://oldirongallery.com/Cussler/Cussler.html

Jeff Allen





From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  5 20:07:37 2005
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 13:07:37 +1000
Subject: [SEL] igniter
Message-ID: <BAY14-F347274BEA07191AF4E9ECBAD90@phx.gbl>

Hi All, trying to find out what engine this igniter fits. It has part no 
AJ717A on it ,any imfo would be much apprieciated. Dave

_________________________________________________________________
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From christison at coastalnet.com  Tue Jul  5 20:36:35 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 23:36:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] igniter
Message-ID: <410-2200573633635656@coastalnet.com>


Hi Dave,

If you don't get a positive ID from the number, you might
check out Ted Brookover's igniter page at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm

Take care.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: David Nicolson <dnicolson40 at hotmail.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 7/5/2005 11:07:37 PM
> Subject: [SEL] igniter
>
> Hi All, trying to find out what engine this igniter fits. It has part no 
> AJ717A on it ,any imfo would be much apprieciated. Dave





From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 22:04:53 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 06:04:53 +0100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Trailer Safety
In-Reply-To: <20050706005908.14522.qmail@web31308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20050704.220814.1208.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<20050706005908.14522.qmail@web31308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605070522041933ff36@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/6/05, Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello Folks,
> 
> I just had to tell y'all 'bout what happened to me last Friday at work.

<snipped>

Scary stuff indeed!

Our towballs are forged with integral mounting flanges, and have two
bolts on them to hold to the tow bar, so normally you can see
immediately if the tow hitch is loose, but we also have the hitches
that can be a pin type with a ball on the top of the pin if you know
what I mean, and these are the only sort that are quickly removeable.

The other feature that is useful on the trailer end of the hitch is an
integral lock in the hitch head, which means that you need a key to
hitch or unhitch the trailer. Still keep it chained to a tree in the
garden though! :-))

Peter
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From gibsongus at myway.com  Tue Jul  5 22:14:23 2005
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Wed,  6 Jul 2005 01:14:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Forklift question
Message-ID: <20050706051423.A0C473989@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 Ron my computer puts up the ebson page but it says picture not avaible??-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Mon 07/04, &lt; rdhaskell at juno.com &gt; wrote:
From: [mailto: rdhaskell at juno.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 22:08:36 -0700Subject: Re: [SEL] Forklift questionThat's where I found it Jim.Ron Haskellrdhaskell at juno.comRiverside, CaliforniaUSAhttp://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&amp;f=0On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:15:43 -0700 "Jim O'Hagan" writes:&gt; Hi Ron, Is it the same one listed in the Wait classifieds? Jimmy&gt; &gt; Jim O'Hagan_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jul  5 23:11:41 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 23:11:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT Museum Photos
In-Reply-To: <42CB438A.50403@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200507060611.j666Btcu048579@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

> I had the opportunity to visit a newly opened collection today. Heard 
> stories for some time and what a pleasure. The collection does exist, 


Wow Jeff!  That is one impressive collection of iron. 

Thanks!
Rob

P.S.
I shoulda been a writer.















From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jul  6 01:39:27 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:39:27 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Fw: scrap metal drive in Australia
References: <003701c581b9$73e09c80$f39f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<42CB411D.6090504@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c58206$3d67e1c0$b39f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

What's your problem mate ,you don't have to try hard to be an arsehole.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: scrap metal drive in Australia


> So you will now shit or get off the pot Peter. It's now been offered to 
> you before the scrap man gets a chance. Nuff said.
> 
> Jeff Allen
> 
> peter ogborne wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I recently posted something about Smorgons scrap metal drive in 
>>> Australia. I had a call from a farmer the other day . He has arranged 
>>> for Smorgons to collect his scrap metal from the farm in a months 
>>> time. He has invited me to look over the scrap heap first and take 
>>> anything that i think is of value.
>>> Peter Ogborne
>>> Little Grove ,Albany
>>> West Australia
>>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>>> jopeter at omninet.net.au 
>>
>>
>>
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From todengine at zoominternet.net  Wed Jul  6 03:14:59 2005
From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 06:14:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Another Large Preserved Rolling Mill Engine
Message-ID: <002c01c58213$912110e0$bbc19a18@pengy>

An often overlooked but preserved large stationary steam engine is the 48" Universal plate mill engine from the US Steel Homestead Works.  It was built around 1898 by Mackintosh Hemphill in Pittsburgh and is a 50" x 60" two cylinder simple reversing engine.  The engine and mill was saved by the Steel Industry Heritage Corp., dismantled and placed in storage in the Pittsburgh area.  Maybe now that Allegheny County has acquired the Carrie blast furnaces this engine and mill may find a home at that site.  

HAER documented the engine and mill in 1989 and the pictures are online at:

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/habs_haer/index.html 

Search for " Homestead 48 Mill ". It should be the second result.

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Heritage Park
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
http://www.todengine.org/
Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine

From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Wed Jul  6 04:00:25 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 21:00:25 +1000
Subject: [SPAM 2.7 (++)] [SEL] O.T. Trailer Safety
In-Reply-To: <20050706005908.14522.qmail@web31308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20050706005908.14522.qmail@web31308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42CBB9C9.6070001@steamengine.com.au>

Any chance he was trying to steal your trailer?

Paul

Alan Bowen wrote:
> Hello Folks,
> 
> I just had to tell y'all 'bout what happened to me last Friday at work.
> 
> I can see where they lifted the tounge off the hitch with a forklift.  That would have made it
> easy to pop the hitch out.  They buggered the release lever on the tounge a bit too.  The new
> hitch will stay put with it's locking pin plus I will straighten out the bent release lever and
> start locking it too.

-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Jul  6 06:33:12 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:33:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
Message-ID: <20050706133246.HKBB5303.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Anyone going to Wauchope this weekend? I may pop up for a look if I have a
rush of blood ;)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From nick at holden1.net  Wed Jul  6 11:48:52 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 19:48:52 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] Astle Park
References: <004801c581ab$0f84cf80$2a9b2f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <42CC2794.000001.03240@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Very
See ya
  The jealous one 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: craig morrison
Date: 07/05/05 23:06:08
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Astle Park
 
Hi, Nick ,
My mate has just bought a 3 hp at a sale in the US . It now completes his
set which is a 1/2 hp , a 1 1/2 hp , a 1 1/2 hp high base , a 2 hp , a 3hp ,
a 4 hp & a 5 hp.  Would you say he is a lucky guy or what.
 
See ya , Craig in Scotland
----- Original Message -----
From: "nick" <nick at holden1.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Astle Park
 
 
Hi Tom nice looking engine but if Reg is right about the price then
............ i can live without one
Nick
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Germoamer at aol.com
Date: 07/04/05 23:42:06
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Astle Park
 
In a message dated 7/4/2005 2:09:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
nick at holden1.net writes:
 
<< Hi Tom yes its the only one i have seen and i want one !!!!!!  >>
 
 
Nick,
 
I am the lucky owner of one, check it out.
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jul  6 13:59:43 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:59:43 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Astle Park
Message-ID: <1e5.3faba64f.2ffda03f@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/5/2005 6:22:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
benzengines at tiscali.co.uk writes:

<< Would you say he is a lucky guy or what. >>

Craig,

I would also say he has plenty of money to spend too!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com




From todengine at zoominternet.net  Wed Jul  6 17:09:55 2005
From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:09:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Casting Filler
Message-ID: <007f01c58288$344caad0$365bef18@pengy>

What material was used for filling imperfections in castings around 1910 or so?  The Tod Engine castings have a filler that is dark grey in color and sort of looks like graphite when I hit it with a wire wheel.  Most of it is flaking off and eventually I will need to refill the castings when I go to do a professional paint job on her.

So what material was the original filler and what would be the material to use today?  Due to the size of these castings and inexpensive nature of bondo that's my first choice. 

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Heritage Park
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
http://www.todengine.org/
Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine!

From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  6 18:11:50 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 18:11:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SPAM 2.7 (++)] [SEL] O.T. Trailer Safety
In-Reply-To: <42CBB9C9.6070001@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <20050707011150.81696.qmail@web31306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Not unless he is more STUPID than he seems to be.
If the truck or trailer was moved 20 feet in any direction it would be covered by one or more of
the security cameras there.

This trailer is a one-of-a-kind home built one so it would be very hard to use it once I had the
police looking for it.

I really do believe this guy is warped enough that he likes to see others hurt in any way.
I was wondering about him that way before this happened.  Some of the things he has said in the
last couple weeks have made me wonder what he will do next,,,,  I guess I found out.

Alan Bowen

--- Paul Pavlinovich <pjp at steamengine.com.au> wrote:

> Any chance he was trying to steal your trailer?
> 
> Paul
> 
> Alan Bowen wrote:
> > Hello Folks,
> > 
> > I just had to tell y'all 'bout what happened to me last Friday at work.
> > 
> > I can see where they lifted the tounge off the hitch with a forklift.  That would have made it
> > easy to pop the hitch out.  They buggered the release lever on the tounge a bit too.  The new
> > hitch will stay put with it's locking pin plus I will straighten out the bent release lever
> and start locking it too.
> 
> -- 
> 
> pjp at steamengine.com.au
> Emerald, Victoria, Australia
> www.steamengine.com.au


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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Jul  6 19:11:53 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 22:11:53 EDT
Subject: [SEL]  New Project -- Need to Identify Engine
Message-ID: <13d.169ec3cc.2ffde969@aol.com>

Hi List,
I am starting to work on engine that belongs to a friend.  He  had used this 
engine to pump water (jack pump) for his cattle.  It  hasn't been in use for 
some time.
We need to identify what kind of engine this is since there is no  name tag.  
The tag that is located on cylinder shroud is stamped with the  following: ZZ 
308171.  Another set of numbers is also stamped in  larger font: 228605.  
Valve clearance settings (In: .020 -- Exh:  .022) are stamped near the bottom of 
the tag.
The engine is about 12" x 12" x 20" high.  The cast  iron flywheel is 10" 
diameter x 3?" wide.  The crankshaft diameter is  1-3/16".  The crankshaft has 
been turned to 1" diameter where the pulley  attaches.  The spark plug is 
mounted 90? to the cylinder.  It has an  updraft carburetor (no name) with a side 
air intake of 1?" diameter.   The air intake is oil bath filtered.  The 
crankcase breather is  located on the opposite side of the carburetor, under the gas 
tank, and  screws into the crankcase.  There is a magneto shut off rod mounted 
on the  upper side of the shroud.  The gas tank is estimated to hold about 1? 
to 2  gallons of gasoline and has glass bowl filter (with shut off valve) 
mounted  underneath.  The rope starter pulley is made to lock the flywheel nut and 
 is fastened to the flywheel with 2 -- 3/8" diameter SAE bolts.  The head  
bolts are imprinted with the name: "Rockford".
The linkage to the carburetor from the governor arm is  missing.  I have no 
idea how this linkage is designed nor how the  speed of the engine is 
controlled.  This the main reason to find out what  kind of the engine this is.  
Hopefully someone else has the same type  engine so I can get some idea how to set 
up the governor/carbuetor  linkage.  Of course, the carburetor will need some 
cleaning.
The high tension lead have been cut and needs to be replaced.   The points 
probably need to be cleaned.  Therefore, the flywheel needs to  be removed to 
gain access to the ignition system.
Other than the things I have mentioned above, the engine is in  fairly good 
shape and turns over easy.  It had a  large accumulation of dirt on the outside 
and on the inside of the shroud  and the air intake tube.  There is a small 
crack on the top of the oil bath  filter cap and a broken air intake pipe 
bracket.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Jul  6 19:37:42 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 22:37:42 EDT
Subject: [SEL]  New Project -- Need to Identify Engine
Message-ID: <ea.6cba207c.2ffdef76@aol.com>

Hi List,
I failed to say that this is an air cooled engine.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jul  6 21:15:01 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 05:15:01 +0100
Subject: [SEL] New Project -- Need to Identify Engine
In-Reply-To: <13d.169ec3cc.2ffde969@aol.com>
References: <13d.169ec3cc.2ffde969@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605070621154b356225@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/7/05, FRM8198 at aol.com <FRM8198 at aol.com> wrote:
> Hi List,
> I am starting to work on engine that belongs to a friend.  He  had used this
> engine to pump water (jack pump) for his cattle.  It  hasn't been in use for
> some time.

Hi Francis:

A picture is worth 1000 words....  any chance of an image of the engine?

Peter
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From d.fleming at sasktel.net  Thu Jul  7 00:39:43 2005
From: d.fleming at sasktel.net (Don & Kay Fleming)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 01:39:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL]  New Project -- Need to Identify Engine
References: <13d.169ec3cc.2ffde969@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001401c582c7$0c758ba0$4dc46e40@2S4KN5K0H3>

Hi Francis

I have a tag here off a similar engine.  It has ZZ   308110    262731 
stamped on it along with  .020 and .018.  The rest is faded out.  I think 
the engine is still sitting under an old iron rack that is falling down at a 
farm close to here.  If I remember correctly it is either a Briggs & 
Stratton or a Wisconsin.  If you don't get any information from anyone else 
I will see what I can find out. It is not sitting in very safe location to 
be poking around in.

Don Fleming
Kipling, Sk. Canada
<d.fleming at sasktel.net>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] New Project -- Need to Identify Engine


Hi List,
I am starting to work on engine that belongs to a friend.  He  had used this
engine to pump water (jack pump) for his cattle.  It  hasn't been in use for
some time.
We need to identify what kind of engine this is since there is no  name tag.
The tag that is located on cylinder shroud is stamped with the  following: 
ZZ
308171.  Another set of numbers is also stamped in  larger font: 228605.
Valve clearance settings (In: .020 -- Exh:  .022) are stamped near the 
bottom of
the tag.



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Jul  7 02:32:51 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 05:32:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] New Project -- Need to Identify Engine
Message-ID: <15a.53ee85f7.2ffe50c3@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/6/2005 9:35:45 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
listerdiesel at gmail.com writes:

A  picture is worth 1000 words....  any chance of an image of the  engine?



Sorry.  At this time I am unable to produce a picture as I  have just changed 
computers and I need to get the floppy drive configured.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Jul  7 02:37:08 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 05:37:08 EDT
Subject: [SEL]  New Project -- Need to Identify Engine
Message-ID: <203.510867c.2ffe51c4@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/7/2005 1:03:57 AM Pacific Standard Time,  
d.fleming at sasktel.net writes:

I have a  tag here off a similar engine.  It has ZZ   308110     262731 
stamped on it along with  .020 and .018.  The rest is  faded out.  I think 
the engine is still sitting under an old iron  rack that is falling down at a 
farm close to here.  If I remember  correctly it is either a Briggs & 
Stratton or a  Wisconsin.


Thanks Don,  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  7 04:13:59 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:13:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  New Project -- Need to Identify Engine
References: <13d.169ec3cc.2ffde969@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c582e4$f9d57f00$e58cf504@x8h7l9>

Hi Francis,

It sounds like a Briggs and Stratton Model ZZ,
http://www.edgeta.org/oldsite/engnotes.htm  .

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] New Project -- Need to Identify Engine


Hi List,
I am starting to work on engine that belongs to a friend.  He  had used this
engine to pump water (jack pump) for his cattle.  It  hasn't been in use for
some time.
We need to identify what kind of engine this is since there is no  name tag.
The tag that is located on cylinder shroud is stamped with the  following:
ZZ
308171.  Another set of numbers is also stamped in  larger font: 228605.
Valve clearance settings (In: .020 -- Exh:  .022) are stamped near the
bottom of
the tag.
The engine is about 12" x 12" x 20" high.  The cast  iron flywheel is 10"
diameter x 3?" wide.  The crankshaft diameter is  1-3/16".  The crankshaft
has
been turned to 1" diameter where the pulley  attaches.  The spark plug is
mounted 90? to the cylinder.  It has an  updraft carburetor (no name) with a
side
air intake of 1?" diameter.   The air intake is oil bath filtered.  The
crankcase breather is  located on the opposite side of the carburetor, under
the gas
tank, and  screws into the crankcase.  There is a magneto shut off rod
mounted
on the  upper side of the shroud.  The gas tank is estimated to hold about
1?
to 2  gallons of gasoline and has glass bowl filter (with shut off valve)
mounted  underneath.  The rope starter pulley is made to lock the flywheel
nut and
 is fastened to the flywheel with 2 -- 3/8" diameter SAE bolts.  The head
bolts are imprinted with the name: "Rockford".
The linkage to the carburetor from the governor arm is  missing.  I have no
idea how this linkage is designed nor how the  speed of the engine is
controlled.  This the main reason to find out what  kind of the engine this
is.
Hopefully someone else has the same type  engine so I can get some idea how
to set
up the governor/carbuetor  linkage.  Of course, the carburetor will need
some
cleaning.
The high tension lead have been cut and needs to be replaced.   The points
probably need to be cleaned.  Therefore, the flywheel needs to  be removed
to
gain access to the ignition system.
Other than the things I have mentioned above, the engine is in  fairly good
shape and turns over easy.  It had a  large accumulation of dirt on the
outside
and on the inside of the shroud  and the air intake tube.  There is a small
crack on the top of the oil bath  filter cap and a broken air intake pipe
bracket.

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA

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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Thu Jul  7 04:48:31 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:48:31 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT: London train & bus bombings: The thoughts of my family
 are with
 our friends in England at present... another attack on our lives... 
Message-ID: <42CD168F.1060007@steamengine.com.au>

I've been watching the BBC this evening with the reports of the train 
and bus bombings in the city of London in England. My thoughts, and 
those of my family are with our English friends.

Paul

-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


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From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  7 05:28:50 2005
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 22:28:50 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Ackroyd Question
In-Reply-To: <1120468760.42c8ff18e3ebe@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY14-F3159884760060373A4DF4DBAD80@phx.gbl>

Hi Arnie, a friend of mine here in town has a 6 1/2 hornsby ackroyd girder 
engine, i will ask him about the piston as i know it is out of the engine at 
the moment. Dave in oz

>From: fero_ah at city-net.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: Stationary Engine List <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,        
>Old_Engine <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Ackroyd Question
>Date: Mon,  4 Jul 2005 05:19:20 -0400
>
>Hi Folks,
>
>I was perusing a Spring 2002 issue of Vaporising in the French's "reading 
>room"
>and ran across the following bit in an article on restoring an 1895 split 
>frame
>(girder frame) Hornsby Ackroyd engine, 12-1/2 hp.
>
>"The piston itself was about 12 inches across and was constructed with 
>removable
>top lands for servicing the rings.  You just undo four bolts and remove the 
>top
>land, then a ring, and then so on down the piston."
>
>OK, that's pretty wierd, but also pretty interesting.
>
>Does anyone have any more info (like pictures) of this setup?  ISTR that 
>some of
>the blokes in Oz have these girder frame Hornsby Ackroyds.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>(currently of Kibworth-Harcourt)
>fero_ah at city-net.com
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From tsmith at hal-pc.org  Thu Jul  7 05:50:29 2005
From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 07:50:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: London train & bus bombings: The thoughts of my
	family are with our friends in England at present... another attack on
	our lives... 
In-Reply-To: <42CD168F.1060007@steamengine.com.au>
References: <42CD168F.1060007@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <web-180263730@mail.hal-pc.org>

AMEN!!

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:48:31 +1000
  Paul Pavlinovich <pjp at steamengine.com.au> wrote:
> I've been watching the BBC this evening with the reports of the 
>train and bus bombings in the city of London in England. My thoughts, 
>and those of my family are with our English friends.
> 
> Paul
> 
> -- 
> 
> pjp at steamengine.com.au
> Emerald, Victoria, Australia
> www.steamengine.com.au
> 
> 
> -- 
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From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jul  7 06:18:11 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 09:18:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Casting Filler
In-Reply-To: <007f01c58288$344caad0$365bef18@pengy>
References: <007f01c58288$344caad0$365bef18@pengy>
Message-ID: <42CD2B93.80609@imc-group.com>

Rick,
Too bad you weren't ramming molds back then, as filler would not be 
necessary. But on the down side you'd be old as dirt by now!
Bondo has been my choice of filler for engines I have slicked and so far 
is holding up. Icing would be far too expensive. You can thin your Bondo 
slightly with a little lacquer thinner to make it more the consistency 
of Icing. I only thin the amount I am going to use. I do not add thinner 
to the can. If you add too much it will not set right so play around 
with what you can get away with.

On a different note, what about the use of old fashioned plaster? Not 
sheet rock compound, but real old plaster. It used to be applied to 
metal lath (correct word?) and it stuck fine. It ought to stick to clean 
cast iron. Plaster is dirt cheap and considering the amount of surface 
you are trying to smooth it might be an option. A good brushing of latex 
paint 30 days later ought to make a decent look for a good while if 
indoors/out of the weather. Anybody used plaster on an engine?

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


Tod Engine wrote:

>What material was used for filling imperfections in castings around 1910 or so?  The Tod Engine castings have a filler that is dark grey in color and sort of looks like graphite when I hit it with a wire wheel.  Most of it is flaking off and eventually I will need to refill the castings when I go to do a professional paint job on her.
>
>So what material was the original filler and what would be the material to use today?  Due to the size of these castings and inexpensive nature of bondo that's my first choice. 
>
>Rick Rowlands
>Executive Director
>Tod Engine Heritage Park
>William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
>Youngstown, OH
>http://www.todengine.org/
>Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine!
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>
>  
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jul  7 06:45:14 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 06:45:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT: London train & bus bombings: The thoughts of my 
	family are with our friends in England at present... another attack 
	on our lives...
In-Reply-To: <web-180263730@mail.hal-pc.org>
References: <42CD168F.1060007@steamengine.com.au>
	<web-180263730@mail.hal-pc.org>
Message-ID: <2053.165.206.180.102.1120743914.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

Our thoughts and prayers are with all people from the U.K.
We are apalled.

It's unfortunate that our friends are suffering for being our friends -
but it's fantastic that they remain our friends by our side knowing full
well the suffering they, too, may go through in part because they are our
friends and denounce terrorism anywhere.
And the British (and Aussies) are indeed true friends second to none, and
wonderful people.
I was thrilled to see that London would host the Olympics of 12.

Bill
Iowa, USA


> AMEN!!
>
> On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:48:31 +1000
>   Paul Pavlinovich <pjp at steamengine.com.au> wrote:
>> I've been watching the BBC this evening with the reports of the
>>train and bus bombings in the city of London in England. My thoughts,
>>and those of my family are with our English friends.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> --
>>
>> pjp at steamengine.com.au
>> Emerald, Victoria, Australia
>> www.steamengine.com.au
>>
>>
>> --
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From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Thu Jul  7 07:23:22 2005
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:23:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: London train & bus bombings: The thoughts of my	family
	are with our friends in England at present... another attack	on
	our lives...
References: <42CD168F.1060007@steamengine.com.au>
	<web-180263730@mail.hal-pc.org>
	<2053.165.206.180.102.1120743914.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c582ff$6eb5b280$151c7546@satx.rr.com>

God bless our british friends.

Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: London train & bus bombings: The thoughts of my
family are with our friends in England at present... another attack on our
lives...


> Our thoughts and prayers are with all people from the U.K.
> We are apalled.
>
> It's unfortunate that our friends are suffering for being our friends -
> but it's fantastic that they remain our friends by our side knowing full
> well the suffering they, too, may go through in part because they are our
> friends and denounce terrorism anywhere.
> And the British (and Aussies) are indeed true friends second to none, and
> wonderful people.
> I was thrilled to see that London would host the Olympics of 12.
>
> Bill
> Iowa, USA
>
>
> > AMEN!!
> >
> > On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:48:31 +1000
> >   Paul Pavlinovich <pjp at steamengine.com.au> wrote:
> >> I've been watching the BBC this evening with the reports of the
> >>train and bus bombings in the city of London in England. My thoughts,
> >>and those of my family are with our English friends.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> pjp at steamengine.com.au
> >> Emerald, Victoria, Australia
> >> www.steamengine.com.au
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jul  7 08:02:55 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 01:02:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. London Bombings
Message-ID: <20050707150227.YNWP21584.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I am terribly saddened by the cowardly attacks on our British allies.
It will take more than this to stop the city that survived the Blitz!

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Jul  7 08:12:11 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:12:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Casting Filler
In-Reply-To: <42CD2B93.80609@imc-group.com>
References: <007f01c58288$344caad0$365bef18@pengy>
	<42CD2B93.80609@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <39dbbf9f860fd576fa8c5d9b5e558d0f@chartertn.net>

> Anybody used plaster on an engine?

Now that you mention it, I'll bet that's what the filler liberally used 
on Dolly the Listeroid is. It's white and of the right consistency.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jul  7 11:37:48 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 19:37:48 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT: London train & bus bombings: The thoughts of my family
	are with our friends in England at present... another attack on
	our lives...
In-Reply-To: <42CD168F.1060007@steamengine.com.au>
References: <42CD168F.1060007@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <6f60251605070711376e88d00b@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/7/05, Paul Pavlinovich <pjp at steamengine.com.au> wrote:
> I've been watching the BBC this evening with the reports of the train
> and bus bombings in the city of London in England. My thoughts, and
> those of my family are with our English friends.
> 
> Paul
> 

Thanks, Paul and everyone else who has emailed or posted, it's
comforting to know others are thinking of us in the UK at this awful
time.

Peter 
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jul  7 12:02:44 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:02:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT: London train & bus bombings: The thoughts of my 
	family are with our friends in England at present... another attack 
	on our lives...
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605070711376e88d00b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <42CD168F.1060007@steamengine.com.au>
	<6f60251605070711376e88d00b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2825.165.206.180.102.1120762964.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

No one can ever truly know exactly how the British feel as a country or
personally, but I assure you, we come close - and we feel for you.
(and those who believe are praying)

Bill

> On 7/7/05, Paul Pavlinovich <pjp at steamengine.com.au> wrote:
>> I've been watching the BBC this evening with the reports of the train
>> and bus bombings in the city of London in England. My thoughts, and
>> those of my family are with our English friends.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>
> Thanks, Paul and everyone else who has emailed or posted, it's
> comforting to know others are thinking of us in the UK at this awful
> time.
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jul  7 17:30:23 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 00:30:23 -0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T.Looks like terrorist actions in London
Message-ID: <000701c59a6b$e6488e20$fa4c1152@no1>

If you are interested see the news. The entire underground is off & a bus has exploded.
Info still coming in.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jul  7 17:30:28 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 00:30:28 -0000
Subject: [SEL] OT: London train & bus bombings: The thoughts of my family
	are with our friends in England at present... another attack on
	our lives... 
References: <42CD168F.1060007@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <000e01c59a89$88c0c920$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Pavlinovich" <pjp at steamengine.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 12:48 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT: London train & bus bombings: The thoughts of my family are with our friends in England at present... another
attack on our lives...


> I've been watching the BBC this evening with the reports of the train
> and bus bombings in the city of London in England. My thoughts, and
> those of my family are with our English friends.
> Paul

Hi Paul, many Australians & Americans are worried for their relatives
as London has more foreigners than English born people.
Kerry Morris rang his daughter this morning but she luckily is on holiday
in Spain this week.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Jul  7 14:33:54 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 17:33:54 EDT
Subject: [SEL]  New Project -- Need to Identify Engine
Message-ID: <78.76851342.2ffef9c2@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/7/2005 4:43:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,  
edstoller at earthlink.net writes:

It  sounds like a Briggs and Stratton Model  ZZ,
http://www.edgeta.org/oldsite/engnotes.htm  


Ed,
Thanks.  
I think you are correct.  The picture of the ZZ look amost  identical to the 
one I am restorting.
Now, I need a source for a manual and possibly an outlet for  external 
governor parts and linkage.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jul  7 17:30:37 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 00:30:37 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Anyone like aircraft engines.
Message-ID: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1>

I will be viewing this engine again in a couple of weeks at Flookborough but the BBC have 
taken the pictures for me!
See http://www.bbc.co.uk/cumbria/content/image_galleries/merlin_engine_gallery.shtml?1
Make sure you listen to the Audio.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Thu Jul  7 19:15:43 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 19:15:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Casting Filler
In-Reply-To: <42CD2B93.80609@imc-group.com>
References: <007f01c58288$344caad0$365bef18@pengy>
	<42CD2B93.80609@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050707191203.01a70420@mail.pennswoods.net>


Curt you mention plaster for filler. here is a trick we used a time or two 
on autos that were rusted out bad and wanted a cheap fix. Get the patching 
plaster that is dry powder form and mix it with paint thinner what ever 
kind you are going to use fill the area sand off and walla good filler real 
cheap.
R Fink
PA



At 09:18 AM 7/7/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>Rick,
>Too bad you weren't ramming molds back then, as filler would not be 
>necessary. But on the down side you'd be old as dirt by now!
>Bondo has been my choice of filler for engines I have slicked and so far 
>is holding up. Icing would be far too expensive. You can thin your Bondo 
>slightly with a little lacquer thinner to make it more the consistency of 
>Icing. I only thin the amount I am going to use. I do not add thinner to 
>the can. If you add too much it will not set right so play around with 
>what you can get away with.
>
>On a different note, what about the use of old fashioned plaster? Not 
>sheet rock compound, but real old plaster. It used to be applied to metal 
>lath (correct word?) and it stuck fine. It ought to stick to clean cast 
>iron. Plaster is dirt cheap and considering the amount of surface you are 
>trying to smooth it might be an option. A good brushing of latex paint 30 
>days later ought to make a decent look for a good while if indoors/out of 
>the weather. Anybody used plaster on an engine?
>
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC
>
>
>Tod Engine wrote:
>
>>What material was used for filling imperfections in castings around 1910 
>>or so?  The Tod Engine castings have a filler that is dark grey in color 
>>and sort of looks like graphite when I hit it with a wire wheel.  Most of 
>>it is flaking off and eventually I will need to refill the castings when 
>>I go to do a professional paint job on her.
>>
>>So what material was the original filler and what would be the material 
>>to use today?  Due to the size of these castings and inexpensive nature 
>>of bondo that's my first choice.
>>Rick Rowlands
>>Executive Director
>>Tod Engine Heritage Park
>>William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
>>Youngstown, OH
>>http://www.todengine.org/
>>Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine!
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  7 18:28:21 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 21:28:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  New Project -- Need to Identify Engine
References: <78.76851342.2ffef9c2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c5835c$54704180$27c8f504@x8h7l9>

Briggs and Stratton puts out an "Antique Engine' manual,actually 'Service
Manual for Out of Production Engines, 1919 - 1981, Part NumberCE8069-5/00.

I have a B&S Model B on my Kohler 800 Generator which runs good and might
have some similarities. I also belong the Briggs and Stratton Group.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Project -- Need to Identify Engine


>
> In a message dated 7/7/2005 4:43:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> edstoller at earthlink.net writes:
>
> It  sounds like a Briggs and Stratton Model  ZZ,
> http://www.edgeta.org/oldsite/engnotes.htm
>
>
> Ed,
> Thanks.
> I think you are correct.  The picture of the ZZ look amost  identical to
the
> one I am restorting.
> Now, I need a source for a manual and possibly an outlet for  external
> governor parts and linkage.
>
> Francis Maciel
> Santa Maria,  CA
>
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From todengine at zoominternet.net  Thu Jul  7 18:50:32 2005
From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 21:50:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Casting Filler
References: <007f01c58288$344caad0$365bef18@pengy>
	<42CD2B93.80609@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <00a701c5835f$6d19b420$365bef18@pengy>

I think bondo will do just fine for the Tod Engine.  Now I just need a 
volunteer who is a body shop person.    The last priority right now is 
cosmetics, first priority is getting the engine back together and a 
secondary priority is making the parts look presentable while she goes 
together.

So Curt when are you moving to Ohio so you can begin your new career as 
filler application engineer?

BTW if the Tod foundrymen had the phenolic or furan sand binders that we 
have today they wouldn't need any filler either.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Casting Filler


> Rick,
> Too bad you weren't ramming molds back then, as filler would not be 
> necessary. But on the down side you'd be old as dirt by now!
> Bondo has been my choice of filler for engines I have slicked and so far 
> is holding up. Icing would be far too expensive. You can thin your Bondo 
> slightly with a little lacquer thinner to make it more the consistency of 
> Icing. I only thin the amount I am going to use. I do not add thinner to 
> the can. If you add too much it will not set right so play around with 
> what you can get away with.
>
> On a different note, what about the use of old fashioned plaster? Not 
> sheet rock compound, but real old plaster. It used to be applied to metal 
> lath (correct word?) and it stuck fine. It ought to stick to clean cast 
> iron. Plaster is dirt cheap and considering the amount of surface you are 
> trying to smooth it might be an option. A good brushing of latex paint 30 
> days later ought to make a decent look for a good while if indoors/out of 
> the weather. Anybody used plaster on an engine?
>
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
>
> Tod Engine wrote:
>
>>What material was used for filling imperfections in castings around 1910 
>>or so?  The Tod Engine castings have a filler that is dark grey in color 
>>and sort of looks like graphite when I hit it with a wire wheel.  Most of 
>>it is flaking off and eventually I will need to refill the castings when I 
>>go to do a professional paint job on her.
>>
>>So what material was the original filler and what would be the material to 
>>use today?  Due to the size of these castings and inexpensive nature of 
>>bondo that's my first choice.
>>Rick Rowlands
>>Executive Director
>>Tod Engine Heritage Park
>>William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
>>Youngstown, OH
>>http://www.todengine.org/
>>Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine!
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  7 18:52:46 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 19:52:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T.Looks like terrorist actions in London
In-Reply-To: <000701c59a6b$e6488e20$fa4c1152@no1>
References: <000701c59a6b$e6488e20$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <42CDDC6E.2010600@earthlink.net>

I heard the news earlier. Memories of 9/11 came back to me and they are 
not pleasant. My heart goes out to you and your countrymen. You are in 
the thoughts and prayers of our family.

Jeff Allen

Dave Croft wrote:

>If you are interested see the news. The entire underground is off & a bus has exploded.
>Info still coming in.
>Dave Croft
>Warrington
>England
>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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>  
>



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Jul  7 19:06:41 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:06:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL]  New Project -- Need to Identify Engine
Message-ID: <12b.608ee8c5.2fff39b1@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/7/2005 6:56:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
edstoller at earthlink.net writes:

Briggs  and Stratton puts out an "Antique Engine' manual,actually 'Service
Manual  for Out of Production Engines, 1919 - 1981, Part  NumberCE8069-5/00.


Thanks for the tip.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From gwaugh at wowway.com  Thu Jul  7 19:10:55 2005
From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:10:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Anyone like aircraft engines.
In-Reply-To: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1>
References: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <42CDE0AF.2050604@wowway.com>

Dave Croft wrote:
> I will be viewing this engine again in a couple of weeks at Flookborough but the BBC have 
> taken the pictures for me!
> See http://www.bbc.co.uk/cumbria/content/image_galleries/merlin_engine_gallery.shtml?1
> Make sure you listen to the Audio.
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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> 
> 
Beautiful, and KEWL!!

-- 
Gene

Gene Waugh
Elgin, Illinois 60123 USA


From b2 at chooka.net  Thu Jul  7 20:56:46 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:56:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: London train & bus bombings: The thoughts of my
	familyare with our friends in England at present... another
	attack onour lives... 
In-Reply-To: <000e01c59a89$88c0c920$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <200507072257994.SM02420@wrbpc>

Whether it happens in New York, Madrid, London, or anywhere else, it is
indeed an attack on all peaceful people of the world.  I remember well the
outpouring of support on Sept 11, it still brings chills up my spine as I
became aware of just how small our world really is, and the amount of
international goodwill and understanding that we mutually enjoyed.

The American news that I caught on the way home this evening had a great
story about how calm the citizens of London were, and how effective and
polite the police were while this is all happening.  I was riding a bus
between the airports in London this spring and a BMW ran in front of the bus
from a freeway entrance.  Of course, the BMW got the worst of the impact.
Everybody just kind of sat back, including a couple who missed their flight,
and patiently waited for the authorities to come before the bus moved on.

Indeed, the best to you from this side of the pond.  

Who knows where the next one will be.

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 8:20 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: London train & bus bombings: The thoughts of my
familyare with our friends in England at present... another attack onour
lives... 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Pavlinovich" <pjp at steamengine.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 12:48 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT: London train & bus bombings: The thoughts of my family
are with our friends in England at present... another attack on our lives...


> I've been watching the BBC this evening with the reports of the train 
> and bus bombings in the city of London in England. My thoughts, and 
> those of my family are with our English friends.
> Paul

Hi Paul, many Australians & Americans are worried for their relatives as
London has more foreigners than English born people.
Kerry Morris rang his daughter this morning but she luckily is on holiday in
Spain this week.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

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From skipl at montana.com  Thu Jul  7 21:27:35 2005
From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 22:27:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL]IHC air cooled engine
References: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <42CE00B7.E92C1400@montana.com>

anyone out there know about how many 2 horse ihc air cooled engines are around, value, where
is the serial# other than on the tag?  thanks for any info.  skip in nw montana

Dave Croft wrote:

> I will be viewing this engine again in a couple of weeks at Flookborough but the BBC have
> taken the pictures for me!
> See http://www.bbc.co.uk/cumbria/content/image_galleries/merlin_engine_gallery.shtml?1
> Make sure you listen to the Audio.
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jul  7 21:21:25 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 23:21:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT test
In-Reply-To: <007f01c58288$344caad0$365bef18@pengy>
Message-ID: <200507080421.j684LUdo018390@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

 
Getting errors when trying to send - they come back "no recipients"

Ignore, delete, trash, recycle bin, whatever.
Or
Let me know if you don't get this.




From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jul  7 21:22:14 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 23:22:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for B&S info....
In-Reply-To: <42CDE0AF.2050604@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <200507080422.j684MKbr018751@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

 
Anyone know of a web site, or someone who can tell me about the following:

Briggs model 6F8
Type # 105540
S/N 43438

It's on a small pump I bought recently - same brand as my large mud pump - a
Humdinger. Same company, etc.
I have another that's powered by a small air cooled Lauson so when all
running, I'll have 3 Humdingers.

For now I'd like to find year and HP on the engine, etc.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa

God Save the Queen




From garyepps at fidnet.com  Thu Jul  7 21:56:03 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:56:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT test
In-Reply-To: <200507080421.j684LUdo018390@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200507080421.j684LUdo018390@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <42CE0763.3080507@fidnet.com>

Bill, I think I got it.

Gary

Bill Dickerson wrote:
>  
> Getting errors when trying to send - they come back "no recipients"
> 
> Ignore, delete, trash, recycle bin, whatever.
> Or
> Let me know if you don't get this.
> 
> 
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> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jul  7 22:23:24 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 06:23:24 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT test
In-Reply-To: <200507080421.j684LUdo018390@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <007f01c58288$344caad0$365bef18@pengy>
	<200507080421.j684LUdo018390@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <6f602516050707222375c91ae4@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/8/05, Bill Dickerson <bill at antique-engines.com> wrote:
> 
> Getting errors when trying to send - they come back "no recipients"
> 
> Ignore, delete, trash, recycle bin, whatever.
> Or
> Let me know if you don't get this.
> 

Got that OK, Bill, about 6.10am UK time

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From falcon at telenet.net  Thu Jul  7 22:39:56 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 01:39:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for B&S info....
References: <200507080422.j684MKbr018751@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <008a01c5837f$79ab93a0$b01117d1@net.telenet.net>


>
> Anyone know of a web site, or someone who can tell me about the
following:
>
> Briggs model 6F8
> Type # 105540
> S/N 43438
>
> It's on a small pump I bought recently - same brand as my large mud
pump - a
> Humdinger. Same company, etc.
> I have another that's powered by a small air cooled Lauson so when all
> running, I'll have 3 Humdingers.
>
> For now I'd like to find year and HP on the engine, etc.
>
> Bill
> Runnells, Iowa
>
> God Save the Queen
>
>
>
Made between August and Sep of 1952
2" bore 2" stroke
About 5 HP.



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Jul  8 02:34:59 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:34:59 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Machinists Question?
Message-ID: <001b01c583a0$69a69ce0$ee9981cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Does anyone know the thread size for the spark plugs on a Ford A . I am
making some adapters so that we can use 14 mm plugs.
To me it looks like .865 x .1.5mm pitch . If anyone can confirm this i would 
be most grateful.As you may gather i don't have any reference.
In anticipation ,thanks
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul  8 03:19:21 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:19:21 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Machinists Question?
In-Reply-To: <001b01c583a0$69a69ce0$ee9981cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <001b01c583a0$69a69ce0$ee9981cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <6f602516050708031917d21ce4@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/8/05, peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
> Does anyone know the thread size for the spark plugs on a Ford A . I am
> making some adapters so that we can use 14 mm plugs.
> To me it looks like .865 x .1.5mm pitch . If anyone can confirm this i would
> be most grateful.As you may gather i don't have any reference.
> In anticipation ,thanks
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
> 
> 
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-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From svsuzanne at copper.net  Fri Jul  8 03:24:28 2005
From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 06:24:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT test
References: <007f01c58288$344caad0$365bef18@pengy><200507080421.j684LUdo018390@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<6f602516050707222375c91ae4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002f01c583a7$3ad23940$6378e93f@your6wz9c9s4x1>

OK 1:43 AM EST DanR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT test


> On 7/8/05, Bill Dickerson <bill at antique-engines.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Getting errors when trying to send - they come back "no recipients"
>> 
>> Ignore, delete, trash, recycle bin, whatever.
>> Or
>> Let me know if you don't get this.
>> 
> 
> Got that OK, Bill, about 6.10am UK time
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> 
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> 
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 7/6/2005
> 
>


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul  8 03:25:38 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:25:38 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Machinists Question?
In-Reply-To: <6f602516050708031917d21ce4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001b01c583a0$69a69ce0$ee9981cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<6f602516050708031917d21ce4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605070803253236eb91@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/8/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/8/05, peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
> > Does anyone know the thread size for the spark plugs on a Ford A . I am
> > making some adapters so that we can use 14 mm plugs.
> > To me it looks like .865 x .1.5mm pitch . If anyone can confirm this i would
> > be most grateful.As you may gather i don't have any reference.
> > In anticipation ,thanks
> > Peter Ogborne

That one got out before I had time to write anything.

The old edition of the SAE handbook we have quotes 7/8" (0.875")  with 18 TPI.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Jul  8 04:30:52 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:30:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for B&S info....
References: <200507080422.j684MKbr018751@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <005401c583b1$1ea66ac0$73b0f504@x8h7l9>

Bill,

You might try  http://www.edgeta.org/oldsite/engnotes.htm .  On the model
6R6, the R6 stands for reduction gear with a ratio of 6/1.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 12:22 AM
Subject: [SEL] Looking for B&S info....


>
> Anyone know of a web site, or someone who can tell me about the following:
>
> Briggs model 6F8
> Type # 105540
> S/N 43438
>
> It's on a small pump I bought recently - same brand as my large mud pump -
a
> Humdinger. Same company, etc.
> I have another that's powered by a small air cooled Lauson so when all
> running, I'll have 3 Humdingers.
>
> For now I'd like to find year and HP on the engine, etc.
>
> Bill
> Runnells, Iowa
>
> God Save the Queen
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jul  8 05:02:30 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:02:30 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Casting Filler
Message-ID: <1f2.d434b09.2fffc556@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/7/2005 9:45:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
nancydick at pennswoods.net writes:

<< Get the patching 
 plaster that is dry powder form and mix it with paint thinner what ever 
 kind you are going to use fill the area sand off and walla good filler real 
 cheap >>


Geesh Richard, no wonder all of my automobile body repairs did not hold up!  
Guess I got what I paid for!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jul  8 05:09:44 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:09:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Looking for B&S info....
In-Reply-To: <005401c583b1$1ea66ac0$73b0f504@x8h7l9>
References: <200507080422.j684MKbr018751@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<005401c583b1$1ea66ac0$73b0f504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <3929.165.206.180.102.1120824584.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

I sort of recalled the R stood for reduction, but there is no reduction,
it's a direct-drive pump. so I wonder if they bought the engines minus the
gear reduction and put their pump on that shaft instead. The pump mounts
like a gear unit would.

Thanks (to all so far)

Bill

> Bill,
>
> You might try  http://www.edgeta.org/oldsite/engnotes.htm .  On the model
> 6R6, the R6 stands for reduction gear with a ratio of 6/1.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 12:22 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Looking for B&S info....
>
>
>>
>> Anyone know of a web site, or someone who can tell me about the
>> following:
>>
>> Briggs model 6F8
>> Type # 105540
>> S/N 43438
>>
>> It's on a small pump I bought recently - same brand as my large mud pump
>> -
> a
>> Humdinger. Same company, etc.
>> I have another that's powered by a small air cooled Lauson so when all
>> running, I'll have 3 Humdingers.
>>
>> For now I'd like to find year and HP on the engine, etc.
>>
>> Bill
>> Runnells, Iowa
>>
>> God Save the Queen
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Jul  8 05:36:38 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:36:38 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Machinists Question?
References: <001b01c583a0$69a69ce0$ee9981cb@ogborneuah38i3><6f602516050708031917d21ce4@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f60251605070803253236eb91@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c583b9$b3c70440$379881cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Thanks Peter..........I was using the Plasticine method to measure the TPI, 
all i had was the remains of an old head , 18 TPI sounds good.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinists Question?


> On 7/8/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 7/8/05, peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
>> > Does anyone know the thread size for the spark plugs on a Ford A . I am
>> > making some adapters so that we can use 14 mm plugs.
>> > To me it looks like .865 x .1.5mm pitch . If anyone can confirm this i 
>> > would
>> > be most grateful.As you may gather i don't have any reference.
>> > In anticipation ,thanks
>> > Peter Ogborne
>
> That one got out before I had time to write anything.
>
> The old edition of the SAE handbook we have quotes 7/8" (0.875")  with 18 
> TPI.
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jul  8 06:28:49 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Fri,  8 Jul 2005 09:28:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
Message-ID: <1120829329.42ce7f919c297@webmail.city-net.com>

Hiya Folks,

I currently have a couple of the barbeque grill size propane tanks (~20 lb.?)
that I'll be using for my 15 hp Bessemer half-breed; one for the hot tube and
one for the engine.

I'd really like to get a larger one for running the engine.  What's the next
"logical" size (50 lb.?) and where does one buy one?  The smaller sizes are
available everywhere, but I don't recall seeing any of the larger ones.

Can you get them refilled at a "normal" propane refilling station?

Thanks!

See ya,  Arnie

PS - I should be picking up the cylinder & piston this weekend so barking time
isn't far away!!!

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Fri Jul  8 06:57:01 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 13:57:01 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
Message-ID: <070820051357.332.42CE862D0008B7790000014C21979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Arnie,
You can get them 30, 40, 50, 80 & 100 lb size tanks.  Best place to purchase 
or rent is local farm supply (FS, COOP,etc.)  Most refilling stations will 
gladly fill all of these sizes so long as it as the newer style connections.
If your interested I have a 100lb I am not using anymore.
Curt


> Hiya Folks,
> 
> I currently have a couple of the barbeque grill size propane tanks (~20 lb.?)
> that I'll be using for my 15 hp Bessemer half-breed; one for the hot tube and
> one for the engine.
> 
> I'd really like to get a larger one for running the engine.  What's the next
> "logical" size (50 lb.?) and where does one buy one?  The smaller sizes are
> available everywhere, but I don't recall seeing any of the larger ones.
> 
> Can you get them refilled at a "normal" propane refilling station?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> PS - I should be picking up the cylinder & piston this weekend so barking time
> isn't far away!!!
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
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From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jul  8 07:01:30 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 10:01:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Casting Filler
In-Reply-To: <1f2.d434b09.2fffc556@aol.com>
References: <1f2.d434b09.2fffc556@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42CE873A.2020306@imc-group.com>

Tom,
Like the paint on your truck, I thought this was part of your 
"anti-theft" cosmetic plan. :-)
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

>Geesh Richard, no wonder all of my automobile body repairs did not hold up!  
>Guess I got what I paid for!
>
>  
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jul  8 07:03:38 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:03:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
In-Reply-To: <1120829329.42ce7f919c297@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1120829329.42ce7f919c297@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <4284.165.206.180.102.1120831418.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

I believe the next up is 40 pound.
Which brings up - how about using a manifold and connecting 2 20 pound
tanks together for more capacity?

Bill

> Hiya Folks,
>
> I currently have a couple of the barbeque grill size propane tanks (~20
> lb.?)
> that I'll be using for my 15 hp Bessemer half-breed; one for the hot tube
> and
> one for the engine.
>
> I'd really like to get a larger one for running the engine.  What's the
> next
> "logical" size (50 lb.?) and where does one buy one?  The smaller sizes
> are
> available everywhere, but I don't recall seeing any of the larger ones.
>
> Can you get them refilled at a "normal" propane refilling station?
>
> Thanks!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> PS - I should be picking up the cylinder & piston this weekend so barking
> time
> isn't far away!!!
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Jul  8 07:03:41 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:03:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
References: <1120829329.42ce7f919c297@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001701c583c5$d9e533c0$18b6f504@x8h7l9>

Hi Arnie,

I picked up a 100 pound tank for our lobster pot at church.When it gets
empty, we will be looking to get rid of it. It stands about 4 feet tall.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "OFES" <ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Stationary Engine List"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old_Engine"
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:28 AM
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank


> Hiya Folks,
>
> I currently have a couple of the barbeque grill size propane tanks (~20
lb.?)
> that I'll be using for my 15 hp Bessemer half-breed; one for the hot tube
and
> one for the engine.
>
> I'd really like to get a larger one for running the engine.  What's the
next
> "logical" size (50 lb.?) and where does one buy one?  The smaller sizes
are
> available everywhere, but I don't recall seeing any of the larger ones.
>
> Can you get them refilled at a "normal" propane refilling station?
>
> Thanks!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> PS - I should be picking up the cylinder & piston this weekend so barking
time
> isn't far away!!!
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jul  8 07:13:29 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:13:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for B&S info....
Message-ID: <20050708.101337.656.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Bill,

Have you tried this site ?

http://www.asecc.com/parts.html

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jul  8 07:09:44 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:09:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
Message-ID: <20050708.101337.656.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Arnie,

Ha Ha !!!  What is a "Normal" propane filling station ?
If you  mean your local 7-Eleven - forget it.  The only thing they fill
is the 20 lb.
Their scale is set up to a certain weight.  When the balance bar lifts -
it's full.

I'm not sure on the sizes -  I once had a 30 lb but sold it because it
was too cumbersome for me.

I would call either West Penn Laco (412) 821-3608 - or - Jackson Welding
(412) 391-4500
and ask about sizes.

I think the ones used at the shows are 100 lb size.

I also think that the show will supply you with propane if you give
advance notice.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
\/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jul  8 07:33:33 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 10:33:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
In-Reply-To: <1120829329.42ce7f919c297@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1120829329.42ce7f919c297@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050708103136.04652850@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Arnie,
         With that regulator that you bought from Jake you may not need 
more than 20lbs. to run your Bessemer for a long time. Give it a try before 
you get a larger tank!
         Dave

At 09:28 AM 7/8/2005, you wrote:
>Hiya Folks,
>
>I currently have a couple of the barbeque grill size propane tanks (~20 lb.?)
>that I'll be using for my 15 hp Bessemer half-breed; one for the hot tube and
>one for the engine.
>
>I'd really like to get a larger one for running the engine.  What's the next
>"logical" size (50 lb.?) and where does one buy one?  The smaller sizes are
>available everywhere, but I don't recall seeing any of the larger ones.
>
>Can you get them refilled at a "normal" propane refilling station?
>
>Thanks!
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>PS - I should be picking up the cylinder & piston this weekend so barking time
>isn't far away!!!
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jul  8 08:18:04 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 11:18:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cooling for Fairbanks needed.
Message-ID: <42CE992C.4070301@imc-group.com>

Guys,
At our Cotton Ginning Days meeting last night we discussed several 
options for cooling our 37 1/2HP Fairbanks semi-diesel used to drive our 
cotton gin. At the bottom of this link is a picture of the engine:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/cottongin.htm>

Since we began using the engine we have just run city water thru it and 
dumped the water in a ditch nearby. After running for 3 days at our 
annual show this creates a big mud hole of a mess at one of the 
entrances to a field folks display engines in.

One of the ideas floated was to acquire a period correct "cooler" to 
recirculate water to the engine. So I am soliciting for suggestions on 
what such a device would be and look like. Maybe someone even has one we 
can use. What would a cooler be? A wooden cooling tower with slats that 
trickle the water collected in a tank at the bottom? ORA plain wooden 
tank like this? 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Illinois%20Oil%20Lease/09.jpg>
 OR Something with a fan that creates updraft like you see in industry?

We flow about 3 gallon per minute thru our engine. We really don't use 
the full HP of the engine and I would estimate we use 1/2 the HP at 
most. If anyone has suggestions on what would be the best type of period 
correct cooler, and even better where we can get one, we'd sure like to 
hear from you.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
Cotton Ginning Days Show Oct 14, 15, and 16th.

P.S. I have estimated a cooling load of 3.3 tons (41000 BTU/hr) for the 
cooler, so this will be a small unit.


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul  8 08:49:24 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:49:24 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Cooling for Fairbanks needed.
In-Reply-To: <42CE992C.4070301@imc-group.com>
References: <42CE992C.4070301@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160507080849699f7ef@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/8/05, Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
> Guys,
> At our Cotton Ginning Days meeting last night we discussed several
> options for cooling our 37 1/2HP Fairbanks semi-diesel used to drive our
> cotton gin. At the bottom of this link is a picture of the engine:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/cottongin.htm>
> 
> Since we began using the engine we have just run city water thru it and
> dumped the water in a ditch nearby. After running for 3 days at our
> annual show this creates a big mud hole of a mess at one of the
> entrances to a field folks display engines in.
> 
> One of the ideas floated was to acquire a period correct "cooler" to
> recirculate water to the engine. So I am soliciting for suggestions on
> what such a device would be and look like. Maybe someone even has one we
> can use. What would a cooler be? A wooden cooling tower with slats that
> trickle the water collected in a tank at the bottom? ORA plain wooden
> tank like this?
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Illinois%20Oil%20Lease/09.jpg>
>  OR Something with a fan that creates updraft like you see in industry?
> 
> We flow about 3 gallon per minute thru our engine. We really don't use
> the full HP of the engine and I would estimate we use 1/2 the HP at
> most. If anyone has suggestions on what would be the best type of period
> correct cooler, and even better where we can get one, we'd sure like to
> hear from you.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> Cotton Ginning Days Show Oct 14, 15, and 16th.
> 
> P.S. I have estimated a cooling load of 3.3 tons (41000 BTU/hr) for the
> cooler, so this will be a small unit.

That's a bit big for a screen cooling setup, and a tank cooling system
would probably be a bit heavy, but for demo use I would certainly look
at a screen cooler, and you would need a pump to circulate the water,
unless you used exhaust pressure to do it.

Look at the figures for the latent heat of evaporation of water, you'd
be surprised how little you would need to get the heat out of the
engine.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From mtucker at uky.edu  Fri Jul  8 08:42:18 2005
From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:42:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050708103136.04652850@mail.alltel.net>
References: <1120829329.42ce7f919c297@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050708103136.04652850@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <p06210201bef44ea2bd58@[128.163.81.76]>

>         With that regulator that you bought from Jake you may not 
>need more than 20lbs. to run your Bessemer for a long time. Give it 
>a try before you get a larger tank!

Come on folks!!!!  Unless Craig completely assembles and starts it, 
that Bessemer is as good as a Maytag in Arnie's hands :-)!

Hi Arnie!!!!!
-- 
____________________
Michael Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
mtucker at uky.edu
____________________


From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Fri Jul  8 08:57:50 2005
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:57:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Anyone like aircraft engines.
References: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1> <42CDE0AF.2050604@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c583d5$cb682540$151c7546@satx.rr.com>

NOTHING like a MERLIN!!!!



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kgw" <gwaugh at wowway.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Anyone like aircraft engines.


> Dave Croft wrote:
> > I will be viewing this engine again in a couple of weeks at Flookborough
but the BBC have
> > taken the pictures for me!
> > See
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cumbria/content/image_galleries/merlin_engine_gallery.shtml?1
> > Make sure you listen to the Audio.
> > Dave Croft
> > Warrington
> > England
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> Beautiful, and KEWL!!
>
> -- 
> Gene
>
> Gene Waugh
> Elgin, Illinois 60123 USA
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jul  8 09:57:15 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Fri,  8 Jul 2005 12:57:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
In-Reply-To: <p06210201bef44ea2bd58@[128.163.81.76]>
References: <1120829329.42ce7f919c297@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050708103136.04652850@mail.alltel.net>
	<p06210201bef44ea2bd58@[128.163.81.76]>
Message-ID: <1120841835.42ceb06b665d2@webmail.city-net.com>

Cheeky sod!!  Have you been taking lessons from Dolly?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Michael Tucker <mtucker at uky.edu>:

> Come on folks!!!!  Unless Craig completely assembles and starts it, 
> that Bessemer is as good as a Maytag in Arnie's hands :-)!



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul  8 10:24:52 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:24:52 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Anyone like aircraft engines.
In-Reply-To: <001b01c583d5$cb682540$151c7546@satx.rr.com>
References: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1> <42CDE0AF.2050604@wowway.com>
	<001b01c583d5$cb682540$151c7546@satx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605070810246a48ee72@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/8/05, Tom Dunlap <tdunlap at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> NOTHING like a MERLIN!!!!
> 
> 

Don't forget there was the Allison V-1710 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/USAF/Museum13.htm

and it's derivatives, all North American derived and built, and the
double 12 variant:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/USAF/Museum27.htm

(there's one at the Air Force Museum, Dayton, OH)

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From marvhed at ecenet.com  Fri Jul  8 11:00:08 2005
From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:00:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Anyone like aircraft engines.
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605070810246a48ee72@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1> <42CDE0AF.2050604@wowway.com>
	<001b01c583d5$cb682540$151c7546@satx.rr.com>
	<6f60251605070810246a48ee72@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47277.199.62.0.252.1120845608.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>

i've see what they will do in a pulling tractor!
unreal horsepower on the ground :-))

marv in minn

>
> Don't forget there was the Allison V-1710
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/USAF/Museum13.htm
>
> Peter




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  8 11:07:04 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 14:07:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
In-Reply-To: <p06210201bef44ea2bd58@[128.163.81.76]>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F373025DCB12B4E91D1DC6295DB0@phx.gbl>

Hi Arnie, I also bought one of those demand regulators from Jake and he 
promised  me  that a one pound lantern bottle of propane would run mine for 
a week!  Steve

>From: Michael Tucker <mtucker at uky.edu>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
>Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:42:18 -0400
>
>>         With that regulator that you bought from Jake you may not need 
>>more than 20lbs. to run your Bessemer for a long time. Give it a try 
>>before you get a larger tank!
>
>Come on folks!!!!  Unless Craig completely assembles and starts it, that 
>Bessemer is as good as a Maytag in Arnie's hands :-)!
>
>Hi Arnie!!!!!
>--
>____________________
>Michael Tucker
>Midway, Kentucky, USA
>mtucker at uky.edu
>____________________
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From mullt at att.net  Fri Jul  8 11:50:16 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 18:50:16 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Cooling for Fairbanks needed.
Message-ID: <070820051850.23651.42CECAE800020ACD00005C6321603763169B04049A03@att.net>

With all due respect, I don't think the latent heat of vaporization is the appropriate property to consider. 

The latent heat would only be applicable if the water changes phase (from water to steam or vapor). Most water cooling systems recirculate the cooling medium as water.

The issue for the cooler is whether it is a closed system like an automobile radiator or an open system like a cooling tower. If it is a closed system, all of the cooling would be sensible heat. If it is an open system, there would be some evaporative cooling but not equal to the latent heat of the water. If it is an open system, you need to look at the temperature of the water leaving the engine and the wet bulb temperature of the ambient air.

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
> On 7/8/05, Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
> > Guys,
> > At our Cotton Ginning Days meeting last night we discussed several
> > options for cooling our 37 1/2HP Fairbanks semi-diesel used to drive our
> > cotton gin. At the bottom of this link is a picture of the engine:
> > <http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/cottongin.htm>
> > 
> > Since we began using the engine we have just run city water thru it and
> > dumped the water in a ditch nearby. After running for 3 days at our
> > annual show this creates a big mud hole of a mess at one of the
> > entrances to a field folks display engines in.
> > 
> > One of the ideas floated was to acquire a period correct "cooler" to
> > recirculate water to the engine. So I am soliciting for suggestions on
> > what such a device would be and look like. Maybe someone even has one we
> > can use. What would a cooler be? A wooden cooling tower with slats that
> > trickle the water collected in a tank at the bottom? ORA plain wooden
> > tank like this?
> > 
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Illinois%20Oil%20Lease/09.jpg>
> >  OR Something with a fan that creates updraft like you see in industry?
> > 
> > We flow about 3 gallon per minute thru our engine. We really don't use
> > the full HP of the engine and I would estimate we use 1/2 the HP at
> > most. If anyone has suggestions on what would be the best type of period
> > correct cooler, and even better where we can get one, we'd sure like to
> > hear from you.
> > Curt Holland
> > Gastonia, NC
> > Cotton Ginning Days Show Oct 14, 15, and 16th.
> > 
> > P.S. I have estimated a cooling load of 3.3 tons (41000 BTU/hr) for the
> > cooler, so this will be a small unit.
> 
> That's a bit big for a screen cooling setup, and a tank cooling system
> would probably be a bit heavy, but for demo use I would certainly look
> at a screen cooler, and you would need a pump to circulate the water,
> unless you used exhaust pressure to do it.
> 
> Look at the figures for the latent heat of evaporation of water, you'd
> be surprised how little you would need to get the heat out of the
> engine.
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> 
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From MBellar at aol.com  Fri Jul  8 11:51:21 2005
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:51:21 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
Message-ID: <127.5fc6a56a.30002529@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/8/2005 2:29:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:

Hi  Arnie, I also bought one of those demand regulators from Jake and he  
promised  me  that a one pound lantern bottle of propane would  run mine for 
a week!  Steve



What is the story on the demand regulator. Source,availability and  cost???
 
Tom


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Fri Jul  8 12:03:51 2005
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:03:51 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT:  London bombings
Message-ID: <vwxBnv3X4szCFwtc@lnc025.dial.nildram.co.uk>

Firstly I'd like to thank all for the expressions of sympathy and 
solidarity.  I'm fairly sure I speak for all of the Brit contingent on 
the list when I say that it is greatly appreciated.

I was prompted to put fingers to keyboard by an article in my local 
newspaper - the Shropshire Star of Friday, July 8, 2005.  There is no 
by-line.

...
'Financial adviser Andy Jones, 38, said he considered staying away today 
but refused to be beaten by the terrorists.  "If it's going to happen, 
it's going to happen.  My wife wasn't too happy about me coming into 
work but it's one of those things.  If you don't come in today, when do 
you come in?  Next week?  Next month?  You just have to get on with 
it."'
...
-- 
Peter Scales



From todengine at zoominternet.net  Fri Jul  8 12:27:18 2005
From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:27:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT:  London bombings
References: <vwxBnv3X4szCFwtc@lnc025.dial.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <007101c583f3$0e0cab10$365bef18@pengy>

The world needs more people like Andy Jones, and less of those linguini 
spined saps who cry that the sky is falling every time something like this 
happens.

This attack is NOTHING compared to the Blitz!  Is this the best that 
AlQuieda can do?  I definately think we are winning this war on terrorism.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Scales" <peter at loud-n-clear.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 3:03 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT: London bombings


> Firstly I'd like to thank all for the expressions of sympathy and 
> solidarity.  I'm fairly sure I speak for all of the Brit contingent on the 
> list when I say that it is greatly appreciated.
>
> I was prompted to put fingers to keyboard by an article in my local 
> newspaper - the Shropshire Star of Friday, July 8, 2005.  There is no 
> by-line.
>
> ...
> 'Financial adviser Andy Jones, 38, said he considered staying away today 
> but refused to be beaten by the terrorists.  "If it's going to happen, 
> it's going to happen.  My wife wasn't too happy about me coming into work 
> but it's one of those things.  If you don't come in today, when do you 
> come in?  Next week?  Next month?  You just have to get on with it."'
> ...
> -- 
> Peter Scales
>
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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Fri Jul  8 12:44:44 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 12:44:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
References: <127.5fc6a56a.30002529@aol.com>
Message-ID: <016301c583f5$7f227d00$c1436e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

I need a demand regulator, who is Jake and how do I get hold of him?
Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <MBellar at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank



In a message dated 7/8/2005 2:29:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:

Hi  Arnie, I also bought one of those demand regulators from Jake and he
promised  me  that a one pound lantern bottle of propane would  run mine for
a week!  Steve



What is the story on the demand regulator. Source,availability and  cost???

Tom
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Fri Jul  8 15:47:49 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 15:47:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Casting Filler
In-Reply-To: <1f2.d434b09.2fffc556@aol.com>
References: <1f2.d434b09.2fffc556@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050708154638.01a8f9b0@mail.pennswoods.net>

Guess so Tom. But i did not think any of them lasted the last 30 years. ha ha
R Fink




At 08:02 AM 7/8/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 7/7/2005 9:45:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>nancydick at pennswoods.net writes:
>
><< Get the patching
>  plaster that is dry powder form and mix it with paint thinner what ever
>  kind you are going to use fill the area sand off and walla good filler real
>  cheap >>
>
>
>Geesh Richard, no wonder all of my automobile body repairs did not hold up!
>Guess I got what I paid for!
>
>Tom Schmutz
>Concord, Va. USA
>Germoamer at aol.com
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From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jul  8 12:57:29 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 15:57:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cooling for Fairbanks needed.
In-Reply-To: <070820051850.23651.42CECAE800020ACD00005C6321603763169B04049A03@att.net>
References: <070820051850.23651.42CECAE800020ACD00005C6321603763169B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <42CEDAA9.80800@imc-group.com>

Tom, Peter,
Might be that latent heat operating mode is appropriate. I called one of 
our old club members who has the one copy of the original literature in 
our club and he recalls the proper operating temperature as about 210?F. 
I am planning on going to his place on Saturday to read the literature 
and confirm this. If the water is leaving the engine near the boiling 
point we can certainly get a LOT of cooling from evaporation as we 
trickle it over a screen or similar device. Rob has suggested an 
elevated wood tank and I think that would be a neat looking addition to 
our engine building. A simple cone spray nozzle returning the hot water 
to the tank would generate a substantial amount of cooling.
I've located a belt driven brass pump for circulating the water too.
Keep the ideas coming.
Curt

mullt at att.net wrote:

>With all due respect, I don't think the latent heat of vaporization is the appropriate property to consider. 
>
>The latent heat would only be applicable if the water changes phase (from water to steam or vapor). Most water cooling systems recirculate the cooling medium as water.
>
>The issue for the cooler is whether it is a closed system like an automobile radiator or an open system like a cooling tower. If it is a closed system, all of the cooling would be sensible heat. If it is an open system, there would be some evaporative cooling but not equal to the latent heat of the water. If it is an open system, you need to look at the temperature of the water leaving the engine and the wet bulb temperature of the ambient air.
>
>Tom in St. Louis
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
>  
>
>>On 7/8/05, Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Guys,
>>>At our Cotton Ginning Days meeting last night we discussed several
>>>options for cooling our 37 1/2HP Fairbanks semi-diesel used to drive our
>>>cotton gin. At the bottom of this link is a picture of the engine:
>>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/cottongin.htm>
>>>
>>>Since we began using the engine we have just run city water thru it and
>>>dumped the water in a ditch nearby. After running for 3 days at our
>>>annual show this creates a big mud hole of a mess at one of the
>>>entrances to a field folks display engines in.
>>>
>>>One of the ideas floated was to acquire a period correct "cooler" to
>>>recirculate water to the engine. So I am soliciting for suggestions on
>>>what such a device would be and look like. Maybe someone even has one we
>>>can use. What would a cooler be? A wooden cooling tower with slats that
>>>trickle the water collected in a tank at the bottom? ORA plain wooden
>>>tank like this?
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Illinois%20Oil%20Lease/09.jpg>
>>    
>>
>>> OR Something with a fan that creates updraft like you see in industry?
>>>
>>>We flow about 3 gallon per minute thru our engine. We really don't use
>>>the full HP of the engine and I would estimate we use 1/2 the HP at
>>>most. If anyone has suggestions on what would be the best type of period
>>>correct cooler, and even better where we can get one, we'd sure like to
>>>hear from you.
>>>Curt Holland
>>>Gastonia, NC
>>>Cotton Ginning Days Show Oct 14, 15, and 16th.
>>>
>>>P.S. I have estimated a cooling load of 3.3 tons (41000 BTU/hr) for the
>>>cooler, so this will be a small unit.
>>>      
>>>
>>That's a bit big for a screen cooling setup, and a tank cooling system
>>would probably be a bit heavy, but for demo use I would certainly look
>>at a screen cooler, and you would need a pump to circulate the water,
>>unless you used exhaust pressure to do it.
>>
>>Look at the figures for the latent heat of evaporation of water, you'd
>>be surprised how little you would need to get the heat out of the
>>engine.
>>
>>Peter
>>-- 
>>Peter A Forbes
>>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>>
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>>
>
>
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>  
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  8 13:48:02 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 16:48:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
In-Reply-To: <127.5fc6a56a.30002529@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F29C346F2E8B3B51CCCF43F95DB0@phx.gbl>

Hi Tom, Jake Faith is the gentleman who keeps the show running smoothly at 
Cool Spring Power Museum. This year he had for sale a set up for running 
engines on propane consisting of the low pressure regulator, hoses and the 
demand regulator with instructions. I don't have his e-mail but Dave or 
Arnie surely will have it. I don't know if he sold them all or if he will be 
making any more in the future.  I'll try and find out.   Steve

>From: MBellar at aol.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
>Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:51:21 EDT
>
>
>>
>What is the story on the demand regulator. Source,availability and  cost???
>
>Tom
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jul  8 14:07:18 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:07:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger/now On Demand Regulator
In-Reply-To: <127.5fc6a56a.30002529@aol.com>
References: <127.5fc6a56a.30002529@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050708170129.044ddc60@mail.alltel.net>


>What is the story on the demand regulator. Source,availability and  cost???
>Tom

Jake Faith is selling them for $100.00. That's complete with everything 
that you will need to hook it up. Shipping is around $20.00. Jake will have 
them at the fall Coolspring show.
         Dave
PS, If you need one before the show (or will not make the fall Coolspring 
show) I'll post Jake's phone # and snail to the List in several weeks (if 
asked.) Jake's mother died three days ago, so I think we should leave him 
alone for several weeks!



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jul  8 14:15:36 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:15:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F29C346F2E8B3B51CCCF43F95DB0@phx.gbl>
References: <127.5fc6a56a.30002529@aol.com>
	<BAY108-F29C346F2E8B3B51CCCF43F95DB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050708170741.04682210@mail.alltel.net>

At 04:48 PM 7/8/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Tom, Jake Faith is the gentleman who keeps the show running smoothly at 
>Cool Spring Power Museum. This year he had for sale a set up for running 
>engines on propane consisting of the low pressure regulator, hoses and the 
>demand regulator with instructions. I don't have his e-mail but Dave or 
>Arnie surely will have it. I don't know if he sold them all or if he will 
>be making any more in the future.  I'll try and find out.   Steve

Hi Steve,
         Jake's "e-mail?" You have to be kidding! Jake still uses a black 
rotary phone. It was only in 1999 that the government found his house and 
assigned it a number. Hell, Jake still has no running water and takes a 
bath in the creek each Monday evening whether he needs it or not. (November 
through April he has to break the ice with a MAYTAG in order to bath!) And 
you want his e-mail?
         Dave
PS, All the regulators were sold--but Jake has another 20 on the way! 



From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jul  8 14:27:59 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:27:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Propane
Message-ID: <20050708.172838.1276.4.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Arnie,

I forgot to mention - about the larger Propane Tanks - 

The larger ones do not require the OPD valve.
That OPD is just for dummies using grills.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From lsain33 at charter.net  Fri Jul  8 17:14:05 2005
From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:14:05 -0400
Subject: OT  :  Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
References: <127.5fc6a56a.30002529@aol.com><BAY108-F29C346F2E8B3B51CCCF43F95DB0@phx.gbl>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050708170741.04682210@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <014e01c5841b$1ec2bf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>

See Dave, another good use for a Maytag!

Larry in NC

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank


> At 04:48 PM 7/8/2005, you wrote:
> >Hi Tom, Jake Faith is the gentleman who keeps the show running smoothly
at
> >Cool Spring Power Museum. This year he had for sale a set up for running
> >engines on propane consisting of the low pressure regulator, hoses and
the
> >demand regulator with instructions. I don't have his e-mail but Dave or
> >Arnie surely will have it. I don't know if he sold them all or if he will
> >be making any more in the future.  I'll try and find out.   Steve
>
> Hi Steve,
>          Jake's "e-mail?" You have to be kidding! Jake still uses a black
> rotary phone. It was only in 1999 that the government found his house and
> assigned it a number. Hell, Jake still has no running water and takes a
> bath in the creek each Monday evening whether he needs it or not.
(November
> through April he has to break the ice with a MAYTAG in order to bath!) And
> you want his e-mail?
>          Dave
> PS, All the regulators were sold--but Jake has another 20 on the way!
>
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From bboyce at swat.coop  Fri Jul  8 18:20:15 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:20:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
References: <1120829329.42ce7f919c297@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <005901c58424$5e0d82c0$6401a8c0@BillyBob>


> See ya,  Arnie
>
> PS - I should be picking up the cylinder & piston this weekend so barking 
> time
> isn't far away!!!
>
>
Arnie,,,
i;m guessing you have a dedicated trailer for your bessie, so, here's an 
idea to consider,,,
the fuel tank for our 15  hp reid is a pick-up truck propane tank that's 
mounted permanently
at the front of our trailer,,i'm not sure of the size, but its in the 50 
gallon area,,, we have 2 vapor
hoses from the tank,,both independent of each other,,,one for the hot tube, 
the other for the engine, and a regulator for both,, the hot tube regulator 
is of the "thumb adjustable" type, it works nicely for regulating the 
flame,,,, in the beginning, we used the smaller tanks, but when i bought a 
new trailer for the engine, i mounted the big tank, and its really been a 
nice improvment, and a time saver too,,,,,we make several shows on one fill 
up,,,, all pick-up tanks i;ve seen have mounting brackets on each side and 
this made mounting to the  side rails of the trailer a snap,,,,
  since propane is not near as popular as it used to be, i'd be that a few 
calls to local propane gas dealers would find a tank, and at a decent 
price,,,,,,,, if you'd like, i can send some pictures of our set up, just 
let me know,,,
good luck,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas 




From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Fri Jul  8 20:59:48 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 13:59:48 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Need parts for Maytag '92
Message-ID: <42CF4BB4.1030606@steamengine.com.au>

I have a Maytag 1930 model 92 long base I am restoring. I need some parts.

I need: * return spring for kick pedal * a brass ball for the check 
valve * air valve and spring for carby * washer for air valve retainer * 
caution plate * decals * muffler

I've sent a message to Bob of Bob's Small Engine Repairs 
http://www.bser.com/ - does anyone know this guy? Is he on the list?

ps. shut up Dave - I bought this from you after the 2001 ATIS auction - 
remember?

Paul
-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


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From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jul  9 02:17:21 2005
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 18:47:21 +0930
Subject: [SEL] petersons listing
Message-ID: <000501c58467$035c5d90$19c08890@chaos>

http://www.nixonauctioneers.com/listings/peterson.html



From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jul  9 02:27:04 2005
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 18:57:04 +0930
Subject: [SEL] petersons listing
References: <000501c58467$035c5d90$19c08890@chaos>
Message-ID: <000c01c58468$5e95fbc0$19c08890@chaos>

better to look here , more listings

http://www.nixonauctioneers.com/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "derek" <djohn2 at bigpond.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 6:47 PM
Subject: [SEL] petersons listing


> http://www.nixonauctioneers.com/listings/peterson.html
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Jul  9 03:22:30 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:22:30 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need parts for Maytag '92
Message-ID: <070920051022.353.42CFA566000128700000016121979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Paul,
Yes I know Bob and have bought items from him many times.  His prices usually 
are better then most of the others.  Normally he is around his shop during the 
week in evening hours.  He sets up at most of the larger shows I will be 
attending.  How can I help?
Curt


> I have a Maytag 1930 model 92 long base I am restoring. I need some parts.
> 
> I need: * return spring for kick pedal * a brass ball for the check 
> valve * air valve and spring for carby * washer for air valve retainer * 
> caution plate * decals * muffler
> 
> I've sent a message to Bob of Bob's Small Engine Repairs 
> http://www.bser.com/ - does anyone know this guy? Is he on the list?
> 
> ps. shut up Dave - I bought this from you after the 2001 ATIS auction - 
> remember?
> 
> Paul
> -- 
> 
> pjp at steamengine.com.au
> Emerald, Victoria, Australia
> www.steamengine.com.au
> 
> 
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Sat Jul  9 04:24:50 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 04:24:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Need parts for Maytag '92
In-Reply-To: <070920051022.353.42CFA566000128700000016121979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@m
	chsi.com>
References: <070920051022.353.42CFA566000128700000016121979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <62869.167.142.21.251.1120908290.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

I'll probably see him this next weekend at Waukee.
(and see some other parts in the flee market)

Bill


> Paul,
> Yes I know Bob and have bought items from him many times.  His prices
> usually
> are better then most of the others.  Normally he is around his shop during
> the
> week in evening hours.  He sets up at most of the larger shows I will be
> attending.  How can I help?
> Curt
>
>
>> I have a Maytag 1930 model 92 long base I am restoring. I need some
>> parts.
>>
>> I need: * return spring for kick pedal * a brass ball for the check
>> valve * air valve and spring for carby * washer for air valve retainer *
>> caution plate * decals * muffler
>>
>> I've sent a message to Bob of Bob's Small Engine Repairs
>> http://www.bser.com/ - does anyone know this guy? Is he on the list?
>>
>> ps. shut up Dave - I bought this from you after the 2001 ATIS auction -
>> remember?
>>
>> Paul
>> --
>>
>> pjp at steamengine.com.au
>> Emerald, Victoria, Australia
>> www.steamengine.com.au
>>
>>
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From bboyce at swat.coop  Sat Jul  9 06:12:17 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 08:12:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT,, need phone # for Leo Vriesekoop
Message-ID: <004a01c58487$d531a8a0$6401a8c0@BillyBob>

does anyone have a phone # or email addy for Leo Vriesekoop? he is a collector in arizona,,,,a whitepages.com search didnt turn up anything,,,
thanks for any help,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

From christison at coastalnet.com  Sat Jul  9 06:48:45 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 09:48:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT,, need phone # for Leo Vriesekoop
Message-ID: <410-22005769134845656@coastalnet.com>

Google brought this up:
http://www.edgeta.org/oldsite/brnch121.htm

Take care.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Bill Boyce <bboyce at swat.coop>
> To: stationary engine list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 7/9/2005 9:42:07 AM
> Subject: [SEL] OT,, need phone # for Leo Vriesekoop
>
> does anyone have a phone # or email addy for Leo Vriesekoop? he is a
collector in arizona,,,,a whitepages.com search didnt turn up anything,,,
> thanks for any help,,
> bill boyce
> lost prairie, arkansas





From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sat Jul  9 07:05:51 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:05:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050708170741.04682210@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F2972D82F0858906AC578495DA0@phx.gbl>

Dave, What was I thinking!   Does he use the Ivory soap or is it just for 
keeping in his socks? Steve

>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
>Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:15:36 -0400
>
>At 04:48 PM 7/8/2005, you wrote:
>>Hi Tom, Jake Faith is the gentleman who keeps the show running smoothly at 
>>Cool Spring Power Museum. This year he had for sale a set up for running 
>>engines on propane consisting of the low pressure regulator, hoses and the 
>>demand regulator with instructions. I don't have his e-mail but Dave or 
>>Arnie surely will have it. I don't know if he sold them all or if he will 
>>be making any more in the future.  I'll try and find out.   Steve
>
>Hi Steve,
>         Jake's "e-mail?" You have to be kidding! Jake still uses a black 
>rotary phone. It was only in 1999 that the government found his house and 
>assigned it a number. Hell, Jake still has no running water and takes a 
>bath in the creek each Monday evening whether he needs it or not. (November 
>through April he has to break the ice with a MAYTAG in order to bath!) And 
>you want his e-mail?
>         Dave
>PS, All the regulators were sold--but Jake has another 20 on the way!
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jul  9 04:25:13 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:25:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Need parts for Maytag '92
References: <070920051022.353.42CFA566000128700000016121979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <002601c58478$dfe4c160$e7a7ecdc@morris>

G'Day Paul

In case our evil one is otherwise engaged, I must remind you this is a 
ENGINE list so would suggest you put OT in the subject line, I assume there 
is a list dedicated to the smelly, smoky motors. 8-))
Good to see you working on your RH ENGINE
Have a good day


8-))
Kerry 



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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jul  9 07:21:05 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat,  9 Jul 2005 10:21:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Need parts for Maytag '92
In-Reply-To: <002401c59bee$8b43df50$fa4c1152@no1>
References: <42CF4BB4.1030606@steamengine.com.au>
	<002401c59bee$8b43df50$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <1120918865.42cfdd51cd166@webmail.city-net.com>

Paul, Just remember, the ONLY part you need to fix a Maytag is an AXE!!

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>:

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Pavlinovich" <pjp at steamengine.com.au>
> > I have a Maytag 1930 model 92 long base I am restoring. I need some parts.
> 
> Hi Paul, just to remind you how sweet they look running, here
> is a picture of one at the 1000 engine 2 weeks ago.
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/390192888rfiJzY
> Dave Croft



From rexhinz at chorus.net  Sat Jul  9 07:37:21 2005
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 09:37:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <001d01c58493$b9c324c0$0e86a5d8@mycomputer>

TESTING 1,  2 , 3  



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jul  9 07:50:06 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:50:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F2972D82F0858906AC578495DA0@phx.gbl>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050708170741.04682210@mail.alltel.net>
	<BAY108-F2972D82F0858906AC578495DA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050709104858.0224a250@mail.alltel.net>

Jake typically uses the ivory soap the way some others use a potato!
         Dave

At 10:05 AM 7/9/2005, you wrote:
>Dave, What was I thinking!   Does he use the Ivory soap or is it just for 
>keeping in his socks? Steve
>
>>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
>>Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:15:36 -0400
>>
>>At 04:48 PM 7/8/2005, you wrote:
>>>Hi Tom, Jake Faith is the gentleman who keeps the show running smoothly 
>>>at Cool Spring Power Museum. This year he had for sale a set up for 
>>>running engines on propane consisting of the low pressure regulator, 
>>>hoses and the demand regulator with instructions. I don't have his 
>>>e-mail but Dave or Arnie surely will have it. I don't know if he sold 
>>>them all or if he will be making any more in the future.  I'll try and 
>>>find out.   Steve
>>
>>Hi Steve,
>>         Jake's "e-mail?" You have to be kidding! Jake still uses a black 
>> rotary phone. It was only in 1999 that the government found his house 
>> and assigned it a number. Hell, Jake still has no running water and 
>> takes a bath in the creek each Monday evening whether he needs it or 
>> not. (November through April he has to break the ice with a MAYTAG in 
>> order to bath!) And you want his e-mail?
>>         Dave
>>PS, All the regulators were sold--but Jake has another 20 on the way!
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jul  9 07:55:35 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:55:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need parts for Maytag '92
In-Reply-To: <42CF4BB4.1030606@steamengine.com.au>
References: <42CF4BB4.1030606@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050709105412.0225c640@mail.alltel.net>


>ps. shut up Dave - I bought this from you after the 2001 ATIS auction - 
>remember?
>
>Paul

And it was the best AU$0.26 that you ever spent--even though I overcharged you!
         Dave 



From oldengin at udata.com  Sat Jul  9 07:57:49 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:57:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Findlay show Aug. 4, 5, 6, 7th
In-Reply-To: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1>
References: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <42CFE5ED.2070204@udata.com>

Gday
    Well here it is close to time for the local show to be going on and
I have been given the entire river front! yes the whole thing, so here
is the deal, I need some engins to fill the front. Along with the fine
people to go with them. I have heard from a few different people looking
to make this show and am looking for more. I can even point you to the
spot where Arnie spent the night cutting lumber 8-) and maybe he will
share the fine melon and sweet corn they feed him, keep wanting him
back? ( cheap entertainment maybe). Findlay does offer some steam and
them ridding things, off into another direction green is the flavor this
year, and a fair amount of engins. I plan to have a couple for show ,
you all know mine do not run. They also have a good selection of food
and a bunch of flea market items, I did hear of a couple tool guys are
coming in for a visit and a few engin vendors.. Bob B. has promised to
show off his fine bike riding  experience again on the bridge ( worth
watching), it will make you fall down.
So if you need something to do here in a few weeks keep me in mind as I
need to fill the river section!

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark






From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  9 09:52:20 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 09:52:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] England will be invading Buckley
Message-ID: <20050709165220.23739.qmail@web31304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That is the news we got at the monthly club meeting last night.
We were told there would be two tour busses loaded with English folks visiting our show this year.
Anyone on the list gonna be included???

My guess is those same two busses will show up at Portland the next week.

We are very pleased and I sure hope they enjoy the show.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan


		
____________________________________________________
Sell on Yahoo! Auctions ? no fees. Bid on great items.  
http://auctions.yahoo.com/


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jul  9 11:08:56 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat,  9 Jul 2005 14:08:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Findlay show Aug. 4, 5, 6, 7th
In-Reply-To: <42CFE5ED.2070204@udata.com>
References: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1> <42CFE5ED.2070204@udata.com>
Message-ID: <1120932536.42d012b82baa5@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Let me add a couple of comments to Leroy's.  I first attended a good number of
years ago.  The organizers made me feel so welcome as an exhibitor that I swore
to make this show one of my "must do" events.  And they've made me feel the
same way every year since.  It is a great show.  As Leroy said they put on a
sweet corn and melon feast for exhibitors that is to die for.  The showgrounds
food is EXCELLENT (just avoid the shredded pigion sandwich no matter what Leroy
sez).  Leroy's riverfront setup location is fantastic.  The range of engines on
exhibit is pretty amazing.  Lots of rare engines and LOTS of oilfield engines. 
If you've never been, make a decision to attend this year.  You won't be
sorry.

See ya there!  Arnie

PS - They even provide free gas for your engines!

Quoting "Leroy C." <oldengin at udata.com>:

>     Well here it is close to time for the local show to be going on and
> I have been given the entire river front! yes the whole thing, so here
> is the deal, I need some engins to fill the front. Along with the fine
> people to go with them. I have heard from a few different people looking
> to make this show and am looking for more. I can even point you to the
> spot where Arnie spent the night cutting lumber 8-) and maybe he will
> share the fine melon and sweet corn they feed him, keep wanting him
> back? ( cheap entertainment maybe). Findlay does offer some steam and
> them ridding things, off into another direction green is the flavor this
> year, and a fair amount of engins. I plan to have a couple for show ,
> you all know mine do not run. They also have a good selection of food
> and a bunch of flea market items, I did hear of a couple tool guys are
> coming in for a visit and a few engin vendors.. Bob B. has promised to
> show off his fine bike riding  experience again on the bridge ( worth
> watching), it will make you fall down.
> So if you need something to do here in a few weeks keep me in mind as I
> need to fill the river section!



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Jul  9 11:50:14 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 14:50:14 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Need parts for Maytag '92
Message-ID: <104.64b465f5.30017666@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/9/2005 12:28:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
pjp at steamengine.com.au writes:

<< I need: * return spring for kick pedal * a brass ball for the check 
 valve * air valve and spring for carby * washer for air valve retainer * 
 caution plate * decals * muffle >>


Contact GEM advertiser
Simpson Motors
Buffton, Ohio
419-369-4665
9-4pm, 7-10pm, Mon-Sat

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From svsuzanne at copper.net  Sat Jul  9 12:01:04 2005
From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 15:01:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Test
References: <001d01c58493$b9c324c0$0e86a5d8@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <002001c584b8$90458050$4279e93f@your6wz9c9s4x1>

5X5
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From: "Rex Hinz" <rexhinz at chorus.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 10:37 AM
Subject: [SEL] Test


> TESTING 1,  2 , 3  
> 
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From rexhinz at chorus.net  Fri Jul  8 18:30:43 2005
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:30:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
References: <127.5fc6a56a.30002529@aol.com><BAY108-F29C346F2E8B3B51CCCF43F95DB0@phx.gbl>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050708170741.04682210@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <001a01c58425$d72527c0$3686a5d8@mycomputer>

Hey Dave! ;

    Would a Maytag run on propane ? Just think-- no oil to mix , no dead
grass, not much smoke and your fellow displayer would actualy talk to you ,
I have a on demand regulator system and you have to run it off the vapor
side of the tank as its off an air cooled engine and no hot water to
vaporize the liquid LP,  the tank is an industrial forlk lift tank with a
choice of liquid of vapor depending on what connection your output is on,  I
ran a 18 Hp Honda Vangard engine wirh it but converted it to gasoline.

  Rex Hinz
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank


> At 04:48 PM 7/8/2005, you wrote:
> >Hi Tom, Jake Faith is the gentleman who keeps the show running smoothly
at
> >Cool Spring Power Museum. This year he had for sale a set up for running
> >engines on propane consisting of the low pressure regulator, hoses and
the
> >demand regulator with instructions. I don't have his e-mail but Dave or
> >Arnie surely will have it. I don't know if he sold them all or if he will
> >be making any more in the future.  I'll try and find out.   Steve
>
> Hi Steve,
>          Jake's "e-mail?" You have to be kidding! Jake still uses a black
> rotary phone. It was only in 1999 that the government found his house and
> assigned it a number. Hell, Jake still has no running water and takes a
> bath in the creek each Monday evening whether he needs it or not.
(November
> through April he has to break the ice with a MAYTAG in order to bath!) And
> you want his e-mail?
>          Dave
> PS, All the regulators were sold--but Jake has another 20 on the way!
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From rexhinz at chorus.net  Fri Jul  8 18:42:59 2005
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:42:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
Message-ID: <003f01c58427$8c09a340$3686a5d8@mycomputer>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Hinz" <rexhinz at chorus.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank


> Hey Dave! ;
>
>     Would a Maytag run on propane ? Just think-- no oil to mix , no dead
> grass, not much smoke and your fellow displayer would actualy talk to you
,
> I have a on demand regulator system and you have to run it off the vapor
> side of the tank as its off an air cooled engine and no hot water to
> vaporize the liquid LP,  the tank is an industrial forlk lift tank with a
> choice of liquid of vapor depending on what connection your output is on,
I
> ran a 18 Hp Honda Vangard engine wirh it but converted it to gasoline.
>
>   Rex Hinz
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
>
>
> > At 04:48 PM 7/8/2005, you wrote:
> > >Hi Tom, Jake Faith is the gentleman who keeps the show running smoothly
> at
> > >Cool Spring Power Museum. This year he had for sale a set up for
running
> > >engines on propane consisting of the low pressure regulator, hoses and
> the
> > >demand regulator with instructions. I don't have his e-mail but Dave or
> > >Arnie surely will have it. I don't know if he sold them all or if he
will
> > >be making any more in the future.  I'll try and find out.   Steve
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> >          Jake's "e-mail?" You have to be kidding! Jake still uses a
black
> > rotary phone. It was only in 1999 that the government found his house
and
> > assigned it a number. Hell, Jake still has no running water and takes a
> > bath in the creek each Monday evening whether he needs it or not.
> (November
> > through April he has to break the ice with a MAYTAG in order to bath!)
And
> > you want his e-mail?
> >          Dave
> > PS, All the regulators were sold--but Jake has another 20 on the way!
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>




From rexhinz at chorus.net  Fri Jul  8 18:39:35 2005
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:39:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
Message-ID: <002501c58427$12be0080$3686a5d8@mycomputer>

My Mistake , Vangard is Briggs The Honda is an 18 HP V-Twin , It ran too hot
on the propane and was burning valves and I couldn't get enough LP to the
carb to make it run cooler.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Hinz" <rexhinz at chorus.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank


> Hey Dave! ;
>
>     Would a Maytag run on propane ? Just think-- no oil to mix , no dead
> grass, not much smoke and your fellow displayer would actualy talk to you
,
> I have a on demand regulator system and you have to run it off the vapor
> side of the tank as its off an air cooled engine and no hot water to
> vaporize the liquid LP,  the tank is an industrial forlk lift tank with a
> choice of liquid of vapor depending on what connection your output is on,
I
> ran a 18 Hp Honda Vangard engine wirh it but converted it to gasoline.
>
>   Rex Hinz
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
>
>
> > At 04:48 PM 7/8/2005, you wrote:
> > >Hi Tom, Jake Faith is the gentleman who keeps the show running smoothly
> at
> > >Cool Spring Power Museum. This year he had for sale a set up for
running
> > >engines on propane consisting of the low pressure regulator, hoses and
> the
> > >demand regulator with instructions. I don't have his e-mail but Dave or
> > >Arnie surely will have it. I don't know if he sold them all or if he
will
> > >be making any more in the future.  I'll try and find out.   Steve
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> >          Jake's "e-mail?" You have to be kidding! Jake still uses a
black
> > rotary phone. It was only in 1999 that the government found his house
and
> > assigned it a number. Hell, Jake still has no running water and takes a
> > bath in the creek each Monday evening whether he needs it or not.
> (November
> > through April he has to break the ice with a MAYTAG in order to bath!)
And
> > you want his e-mail?
> >          Dave
> > PS, All the regulators were sold--but Jake has another 20 on the way!
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>




From solarrog at pacbell.net  Sat Jul  9 13:41:01 2005
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 13:41:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
References: <002501c58427$12be0080$3686a5d8@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <02b601c584c6$856b25f0$01f1af40@D6R3D961>

It will run till the existing oil disburses then it will size up and become 
junk. Gasoline is what spreads the oil where it is needed.
Its kind of like the 10,000 to one ratio the Dave uses. Im sure that works 
just as effective

Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate,
The Realty Experts
Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc
Collector of antique engines
Website; scrapologist.com
Ham Radio; KG6QKZ
Fremont,Ca
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Hinz" <rexhinz at chorus.net>
To: "Rex Hinz" <rexhinz at chorus.net>; "The SEL email discussion list" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank


> My Mistake , Vangard is Briggs The Honda is an 18 HP V-Twin , It ran too 
> hot
> on the propane and was burning valves and I couldn't get enough LP to the
> carb to make it run cooler.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rex Hinz" <rexhinz at chorus.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 8:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
>
>
>> Hey Dave! ;
>>
>>     Would a Maytag run on propane ? Just think-- no oil to mix , no dead
>> grass, not much smoke and your fellow displayer would actualy talk to you
> ,
>> I have a on demand regulator system and you have to run it off the vapor
>> side of the tank as its off an air cooled engine and no hot water to
>> vaporize the liquid LP,  the tank is an industrial forlk lift tank with a
>> choice of liquid of vapor depending on what connection your output is on,
> I
>> ran a 18 Hp Honda Vangard engine wirh it but converted it to gasoline.
>>
>>   Rex Hinz
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
>>
>>
>> > At 04:48 PM 7/8/2005, you wrote:
>> > >Hi Tom, Jake Faith is the gentleman who keeps the show running 
>> > >smoothly
>> at
>> > >Cool Spring Power Museum. This year he had for sale a set up for
> running
>> > >engines on propane consisting of the low pressure regulator, hoses and
>> the
>> > >demand regulator with instructions. I don't have his e-mail but Dave 
>> > >or
>> > >Arnie surely will have it. I don't know if he sold them all or if he
> will
>> > >be making any more in the future.  I'll try and find out.   Steve
>> >
>> > Hi Steve,
>> >          Jake's "e-mail?" You have to be kidding! Jake still uses a
> black
>> > rotary phone. It was only in 1999 that the government found his house
> and
>> > assigned it a number. Hell, Jake still has no running water and takes a
>> > bath in the creek each Monday evening whether he needs it or not.
>> (November
>> > through April he has to break the ice with a MAYTAG in order to bath!)
> And
>> > you want his e-mail?
>> >          Dave
>> > PS, All the regulators were sold--but Jake has another 20 on the way!
>> >
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Jul  9 14:04:17 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 17:04:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need parts for Maytag '92
Message-ID: <20050709.171534.812.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Paul,

I've purchased parts and had work done by Mark Shulaw.
He'a a list member and does fantastic work.
frappi at wcoil.com


Prices are as good as anyone.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
\/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From bill at antique-engines.com  Sat Jul  9 14:24:26 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 16:24:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need parts for Maytag '92
In-Reply-To: <104.64b465f5.30017666@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200507092124.j69LOVLg098257@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Simpson is a good guy - I dealt with him since about 1977. Has a LOT of
stuff.
He always treated me more than fair, at least back then. Unless he's sold
the business - back then he tried to get me to buy him out. He used to be in
Virginia, I believe?

Bill 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:50 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need parts for Maytag '92

In a message dated 7/9/2005 12:28:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
pjp at steamengine.com.au writes:

<< I need: * return spring for kick pedal * a brass ball for the check
valve * air valve and spring for carby * washer for air valve retainer *
caution plate * decals * muffle >>


Contact GEM advertiser
Simpson Motors
Buffton, Ohio
419-369-4665
9-4pm, 7-10pm, Mon-Sat

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jul  9 14:30:08 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 22:30:08 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Burford Vintage Rally (UK)
Message-ID: <6f602516050709143035c6d16f@mail.gmail.com>

We spent a few hours at Burford this morning, most of the regular crew
were there, the engines seemed a bit lacking this year compared with
last, although there were some nice small hp engines to charm your
wallet open.

Stalls were also less good than last year, something that seems to be
pretty much common to most rallies we have attened this year, which is
a pity as a good set of junk stalls makes for an interesting rummage!

We went on to Chipping Norton afterwards and had a browse through one
of our regular secondhand bookshops and spent a few bob there instead
:-))

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Burford05/Burford051.htm

I have yet to adjust the main menu figures, but I think we have topped
the 3000 viewable pages mark for the first time.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jul  9 15:56:51 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 18:56:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Anyone like aircraft engines.
In-Reply-To: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1>
References: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <dbccfc9b8195b1318958664e24c255cf@chartertn.net>

That is really cool!

One mistake they made twice is "showing six of the twelve exhaust  
ports." It's got 24 exhaust ports, often as in this case using stub  
exhaust manifolds that each cover two ports.

John

On Aug 6, 2005, at 7:32 PM, Dave Croft wrote:

> I will be viewing this engine again in a couple of weeks at  
> Flookborough but the BBC have
> taken the pictures for me!
> See  
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/cumbria/content/image_galleries/ 
> merlin_engine_gallery.shtml?1
> Make sure you listen to the Audio.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jul  9 16:05:37 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:05:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cooling for Fairbanks needed.
In-Reply-To: <42CE992C.4070301@imc-group.com>
References: <42CE992C.4070301@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <c975753920b624c7700a8ee66708ea26@chartertn.net>

> One of the ideas floated was to acquire a period correct "cooler" to  
> recirculate water to the engine. So I am soliciting for suggestions on  
> what such a device would be and look like. Maybe someone even has one  
> we can use. What would a cooler be? A wooden cooling tower with slats  
> that trickle the water collected in a tank at the bottom? ORA plain  
> wooden tank like this?  
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/ 
> Illinois%20Oil%20Lease/09.jpg>
> OR Something with a fan that creates updraft like you see in industry?

A big wooden barrel of water on the roof is what my dad told me cooled  
the big F-M powering the ice plant in the town near the farm he grew up  
on in Alabama. Thermosiphon cooling will work fine with pipes just  
running into the bottom of such a container, separated fairly widely.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Jul  9 17:10:33 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:10:33 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Need parts for Maytag '92
Message-ID: <206.4a73bb8.3001c179@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/9/2005 5:43:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
bill at antique-engines.com writes:

<< He used to be in
 Virginia, I believe? >>

Simpson used to live near Lynchburg, Va., but has since moved to Ohio due to 
the local county tax assessor hassling him. It got so bad the man wanted to 
come into his home and assess jewelry.  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jul  9 20:06:02 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:06:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] JD 160 Garden tractor question
Message-ID: <20050709.200603.1548.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  I am playing with a JD 160 garden tractor, trying to get the
keyed ignition switch to start the engine.  I have power to the switch,
when I turn the key to run I have power to another terminal.  But when I
turn it to start, no other terminals get power.  I know there is a safety
switch so it will only start in neutral, and possibly a safety switch in
the seat.  But surely when the key is turned to start the ignition switch
soul send power out to somewhere.  This is a new JD switch, the old
switch did the same thing that is why it was replaced.  Any suggestions
appreciated.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jul  9 20:13:47 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:13:47 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Burford Vintage Rally (UK)
Message-ID: <20050709.201348.1548.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Peter.  
Nice pictures, I can't get a large picture of:( Original Ruston & Hornsby
in working condition. Flick mag. ) when I click on the thumbnail.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 22:30:08 +0100 Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
writes:
> We spent a few hours at Burford this morning, most of the regular 
> crew
> were there, the engines seemed a bit lacking this year compared with
> last, although there were some nice small hp engines to charm your
> wallet open.
> 
> Stalls were also less good than last year, something that seems to 
> be
> pretty much common to most rallies we have attened this year, which 
> is
> a pity as a good set of junk stalls makes for an interesting 
> rummage!
> 
> We went on to Chipping Norton afterwards and had a browse through 
> one
> of our regular secondhand bookshops and spent a few bob there 
> instead
> :-))
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Burford05/Burford051.htm
> 
> I have yet to adjust the main menu figures, but I think we have 
> topped
> the 3000 viewable pages mark for the first time.
> 
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jul  9 20:44:41 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:44:41 +0100
Subject: [SEL] JD 160 Garden tractor question
In-Reply-To: <20050709.200603.1548.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20050709.200603.1548.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605070920446eae4623@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/10/05, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> Hi all.  I am playing with a JD 160 garden tractor, trying to get the
> keyed ignition switch to start the engine.  I have power to the switch,
> when I turn the key to run I have power to another terminal.  But when I
> turn it to start, no other terminals get power.  I know there is a safety
> switch so it will only start in neutral, and possibly a safety switch in
> the seat.  But surely when the key is turned to start the ignition switch
> soul send power out to somewhere.  This is a new JD switch, the old
> switch did the same thing that is why it was replaced.  Any suggestions
> appreciated.  Thanks.
> 
> Ron Haskell

Sounds as though you could be putting power into the wrong terminal to
start with?  Check out the switch circuits with a test meter and make
sure that your feed terminal is the right one, otherwise you are
starting off on the wrong basis for your connections.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From driggars at earthlink.net  Sat Jul  9 21:08:46 2005
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 23:08:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem
Message-ID: <00ee01c58505$12abb220$f9458304@clinton>

I have a Kohler CH18S engine, 18 HP V twin

when I start it, it will run a few minutes then run out of gas, seems that the
needle seat was sticking closed and not allowing fuel in so I pulled the carb,
cleaned very well, installed a kit, new needle valve etc.
I am running an electric fuel pump.

Afetr I rebuilt the carb, it started and run fine but may do so far 2 minutes or
30 minutes?? then will run out of gas. I can peck on the carb and it will run
again for no telling how long, yesterday I could not keep it from doing this when
I started it up and stood there and tapped on the carb every 15 seconds or so as
that is how long it wanted to run, it would stay runing as long as I done that,
then it leveled out and started running on its own but would run about 10-15
seconds and start acting like running out of gas but would pick up on its own ,
finally I walked off from it running and it came vack in 20 minutes it had died, I
tapped on the carb and started it up, then it ran all afternoon, about 4 hours

what could be the cause of this and what can I check out or try to do?

the carb is very clean inside?

Clint




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Jul  9 21:17:07 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:17:07 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Splitdorf Magneto
Message-ID: <90.616a2170.3001fb43@aol.com>

 
Hi List,
In a box of items I purchased at a sale, there is basket case  Splitdorf 
magneto.  I haven't found a model number on the  brass tag.  The latest Patent 
date is May 1917.  It has horse  shoe type magnets which are not attached.  It 
appears to be for a four  cylinder engine.  Mounted on top of the coil there is 
a square looking  condenser with a Great Britain Patent date of 1918.  It has 
a manual  advance point assembly.  It appears to be very well constructed and 
looks  to have been glass beaded.  The housing and mounting bracket seem to  
be made of pot metal (?) and shows some slight deterioration.  To  get it in 
operational condition, it would have to be reassembled and have the  magnets 
charged.
By any chance does anyone have any idea on what type of engine or  engines 
that would have used this magneto?  Perhap some one may have  use for this item? 
 If so, please let me know off list.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jul  9 21:18:15 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:18:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Burford Vintage Rally (UK)
In-Reply-To: <20050709.201348.1548.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20050709.201348.1548.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6f602516050709211822b27671@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/10/05, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> Hi Peter.
> Nice pictures, I can't get a large picture of:( Original Ruston & Hornsby
> in working condition. Flick mag. ) when I click on the thumbnail.
> 
> Ron Haskell

Hi Ron:

See my reply to Larry Evans, it has been corrected now.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jul  9 21:39:04 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:39:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] JD 160 Garden tractor question
Message-ID: <20050709.213904.1548.7.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks for your reply Peter.
The plug to the back of the switch is pre wired, it can only go one way,
unless someone has pulled the wires out and switched them.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:44:41 +0100 Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
writes:
> On 7/10/05, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> > Hi all.  I am playing with a JD 160 garden tractor, trying to get 
> the
> > keyed ignition switch to start the engine.  I have power to the 
> switch,
> > when I turn the key to run I have power to another terminal.  But 
> when I
> > turn it to start, no other terminals get power.  I know there is a 
> safety
> > switch so it will only start in neutral, and possibly a safety 
> switch in
> > the seat.  But surely when the key is turned to start the ignition 
> switch
> > soul send power out to somewhere.  This is a new JD switch, the 
> old
> > switch did the same thing that is why it was replaced.  Any 
> suggestions
> > appreciated.  Thanks.
> > 
> > Ron Haskell
> 
> Sounds as though you could be putting power into the wrong terminal 
> to
> start with?  Check out the switch circuits with a test meter and 
> make
> sure that your feed terminal is the right one, otherwise you are
> starting off on the wrong basis for your connections.
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From b2 at chooka.net  Sat Jul  9 21:48:41 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 23:48:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem
In-Reply-To: <00ee01c58505$12abb220$f9458304@clinton>
Message-ID: <200507092348161.SM02420@wrbpc>

Any chance the fuel tank breather is blocked and you're getting a vacuum in
the tank?  Loosen the fuel cap a bit and see if that changes anything.

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 11:09 PM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem

I have a Kohler CH18S engine, 18 HP V twin

when I start it, it will run a few minutes then run out of gas, seems that
the needle seat was sticking closed and not allowing fuel in so I pulled the
carb, cleaned very well, installed a kit, new needle valve etc.
I am running an electric fuel pump.

Afetr I rebuilt the carb, it started and run fine but may do so far 2
minutes or 30 minutes?? then will run out of gas. I can peck on the carb and
it will run again for no telling how long, yesterday I could not keep it
from doing this when I started it up and stood there and tapped on the carb
every 15 seconds or so as that is how long it wanted to run, it would stay
runing as long as I done that, then it leveled out and started running on
its own but would run about 10-15 seconds and start acting like running out
of gas but would pick up on its own , finally I walked off from it running
and it came vack in 20 minutes it had died, I tapped on the carb and started
it up, then it ran all afternoon, about 4 hours

what could be the cause of this and what can I check out or try to do?

the carb is very clean inside?

Clint


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From b2 at chooka.net  Sat Jul  9 21:56:58 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 23:56:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Splitdorf Magneto
In-Reply-To: <90.616a2170.3001fb43@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200507092357277.SM02420@wrbpc>

Scan for Splitdorf magneto on eBay and see if you can find a picture of one
that looks like yours.  You will find more if you search on sold items, and
then you can also get a feel for the price that somebody paid for it.

Post the eBay item number back to the list and someone may recognize it.

Splitdorf made mags for a lot of equipment: tractors, industrial engines,
trucks, cars... So chances are it would fit a number of different
applications.

I watch mags on eBay a bit, normally ones that are original equipment for
John Deere tractors sell pretty well (some models VERY well!) and just about
everything else goes pretty cheap.  With exceptions, of course.  Since yours
is 4 cylinder, it's not Deere. 

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
FRM8198 at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 11:17 PM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Splitdorf Magneto

 
Hi List,
In a box of items I purchased at a sale, there is basket case  Splitdorf
magneto.  I haven't found a model number on the  brass tag.  The latest
Patent date is May 1917.  It has horse  shoe type magnets which are not
attached.  It appears to be for a four  cylinder engine.  Mounted on top of
the coil there is a square looking  condenser with a Great Britain Patent
date of 1918.  It has a manual  advance point assembly.  It appears to be
very well constructed and looks  to have been glass beaded.  The housing and
mounting bracket seem to be made of pot metal (?) and shows some slight
deterioration.  To  get it in operational condition, it would have to be
reassembled and have the  magnets charged.
By any chance does anyone have any idea on what type of engine or  engines
that would have used this magneto?  Perhap some one may have  use for this
item? 
 If so, please let me know off list.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA


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From driggars at earthlink.net  Sat Jul  9 22:17:01 2005
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:17:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem
References: <200507092348161.SM02420@wrbpc>
Message-ID: <017a01c5850e$9b229b60$f9458304@clinton>

Bill

That is one thing I can check out, this has me baffled

Clint




> Any chance the fuel tank breather is blocked and you're getting a vacuum in
> the tank?  Loosen the fuel cap a bit and see if that changes anything.
>
> B?
>
> Bill Brueck (brick)
> Chatfield, MN, USA
>
> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 11:09 PM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem
>
> I have a Kohler CH18S engine, 18 HP V twin
>
> when I start it, it will run a few minutes then run out of gas, seems that
> the needle seat was sticking closed and not allowing fuel in so I pulled the
> carb, cleaned very well, installed a kit, new needle valve etc.
> I am running an electric fuel pump.
>
> Afetr I rebuilt the carb, it started and run fine but may do so far 2
> minutes or 30 minutes?? then will run out of gas. I can peck on the carb and
> it will run again for no telling how long, yesterday I could not keep it
> from doing this when I started it up and stood there and tapped on the carb
> every 15 seconds or so as that is how long it wanted to run, it would stay
> runing as long as I done that, then it leveled out and started running on
> its own but would run about 10-15 seconds and start acting like running out
> of gas but would pick up on its own , finally I walked off from it running
> and it came vack in 20 minutes it had died, I tapped on the carb and started
> it up, then it ran all afternoon, about 4 hours
>
> what could be the cause of this and what can I check out or try to do?
>
> the carb is very clean inside?
>
> Clint
>
>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jul  9 22:50:39 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 22:50:39 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Burford Vintage Rally (UK)
Message-ID: <20050709.225039.1548.11.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Working fine now Peter.  Thanks for the great shots.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:18:15 +0100 Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
writes:
> On 7/10/05, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> > Hi Peter.
> > Nice pictures, I can't get a large picture of:( Original Ruston & 
> Hornsby
> > in working condition. Flick mag. ) when I click on the thumbnail.
> > 
> > Ron Haskell
> 
> Hi Ron:
> 
> See my reply to Larry Evans, it has been corrected now.
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 10 00:08:38 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:08:38 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Splitdorf Magneto
In-Reply-To: <200507092357277.SM02420@wrbpc>
References: <90.616a2170.3001fb43@aol.com> <200507092357277.SM02420@wrbpc>
Message-ID: <6f602516050710000868835c06@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/10/05, Bill Brueck <b2 at chooka.net> wrote:
> Scan for Splitdorf magneto on eBay and see if you can find a picture of one
> that looks like yours.  You will find more if you search on sold items, and
> then you can also get a feel for the price that somebody paid for it.
> 
> Post the eBay item number back to the list and someone may recognize it.
> 
> Splitdorf made mags for a lot of equipment: tractors, industrial engines,
> trucks, cars... So chances are it would fit a number of different
> applications.
> 
> I watch mags on eBay a bit, normally ones that are original equipment for
> John Deere tractors sell pretty well (some models VERY well!) and just about
> everything else goes pretty cheap.  With exceptions, of course.  Since yours
> is 4 cylinder, it's not Deere.
> 
> B?
> 
> Bill Brueck (brick)
> Chatfield, MN, USA
> 
> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> FRM8198 at aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 11:17 PM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Splitdorf Magneto
> 
> 
> Hi List,
> In a box of items I purchased at a sale, there is basket case  Splitdorf
> magneto.  I haven't found a model number on the  brass tag.  The latest
> Patent date is May 1917.  It has horse  shoe type magnets which are not
> attached.  It appears to be for a four  cylinder engine.  Mounted on top of
> the coil there is a square looking  condenser with a Great Britain Patent
> date of 1918.  It has a manual  advance point assembly.  It appears to be
> very well constructed and looks  to have been glass beaded.  The housing and
> mounting bracket seem to be made of pot metal (?) and shows some slight
> deterioration.  To  get it in operational condition, it would have to be
> reassembled and have the  magnets charged.
> By any chance does anyone have any idea on what type of engine or  engines
> that would have used this magneto?  Perhap some one may have  use for this
> item?
>  If so, please let me know off list.
> 
> Francis Maciel
> Santa Maria,  CA
> 

We have some Splitdorf service information and applications lists
here, some kind of visual information would be useful to help with an
ID for this unit.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From plb at iinet.net.au  Sun Jul 10 00:16:41 2005
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:16:41 +0800
Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem
In-Reply-To: <00ee01c58505$12abb220$f9458304@clinton>
Message-ID: <200507100716.j6A7Gv64017129@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Sounds like the carb fuel flow is restricted and if tapping the carb helps
its likely that the needle and seat is sticking or partially blocked
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D
Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2005 12:09 PM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem

I have a Kohler CH18S engine, 18 HP V twin

when I start it, it will run a few minutes then run out of gas, seems that
the
needle seat was sticking closed and not allowing fuel in so I pulled the
carb,
cleaned very well, installed a kit, new needle valve etc.
I am running an electric fuel pump.

Afetr I rebuilt the carb, it started and run fine but may do so far 2
minutes or
30 minutes?? then will run out of gas. I can peck on the carb and it will
run
again for no telling how long, yesterday I could not keep it from doing this
when
I started it up and stood there and tapped on the carb every 15 seconds or
so as
that is how long it wanted to run, it would stay runing as long as I done
that,
then it leveled out and started running on its own but would run about 10-15
seconds and start acting like running out of gas but would pick up on its
own ,
finally I walked off from it running and it came vack in 20 minutes it had
died, I
tapped on the carb and started it up, then it ran all afternoon, about 4
hours

what could be the cause of this and what can I check out or try to do?

the carb is very clean inside?

Clint


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From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Sun Jul 10 05:39:50 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:39:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] JD 160 Garden tractor question
In-Reply-To: <20050709.200603.1548.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20050709.200603.1548.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <42D11716.8070002@wightman.ca>

Hey Ron,

On my JD 214, there is also a switch on the PTO lever. I have to just 
touch mine and everything works. That makes three safety switches! :-)

Duncan


rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

>Hi all.  I am playing with a JD 160 garden tractor, trying to get the
>keyed ignition switch to start the engine.  I have power to the switch,
>when I turn the key to run I have power to another terminal.  But when I
>turn it to start, no other terminals get power.  I know there is a safety
>switch so it will only start in neutral, and possibly a safety switch in
>the seat.  But surely when the key is turned to start the ignition switch
>soul send power out to somewhere.  This is a new JD switch, the old
>switch did the same thing that is why it was replaced.  Any suggestions
>appreciated.  Thanks.
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California
>USA
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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>
>  
>


-- 
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Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jul 10 07:22:44 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:22:44 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
Message-ID: <20050710142210.ZPCW19806.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Ron and I popped up to Timbertown at Wauchope yesterday (4 hours up, 5 hours
back). Not a huge number of engines but a great location and a rally that
should grow with time. There is a start on private engine sheds like at Lake
Goldsmith with on excellent one already finished and another big one under
construction. 
There were some nice steam engines on display including a huge one driving a
replica timber mill. The narrow gauge steam railway was in operation as was
a nice model railway. 
Due to my camera having a technical failure the pictures I took were lost so
I will have to go again next year to get some photos. Next year I will take
an engine and stay for the weekend :)
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From driggars at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 10 08:15:26 2005
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:15:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem
References: <200507100716.j6A7Gv64017129@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <002501c58562$3428b760$b6408304@clinton>

Ray


> Sounds like the carb fuel flow is restricted and if tapping the carb helps
> its likely that the needle and seat is sticking or partially blocked

OK, I to am guessing that the needle is sticking, but what can U do about it since
I have put a new one in?

Clint


> Ray Freeman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Clint D
> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2005 12:09 PM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem
>
> I have a Kohler CH18S engine, 18 HP V twin
>
> when I start it, it will run a few minutes then run out of gas, seems that
> the
> needle seat was sticking closed and not allowing fuel in so I pulled the
> carb,
> cleaned very well, installed a kit, new needle valve etc.
> I am running an electric fuel pump.
>
> Afetr I rebuilt the carb, it started and run fine but may do so far 2
> minutes or
> 30 minutes?? then will run out of gas. I can peck on the carb and it will
> run
> again for no telling how long, yesterday I could not keep it from doing this
> when
> I started it up and stood there and tapped on the carb every 15 seconds or
> so as
> that is how long it wanted to run, it would stay runing as long as I done
> that,
> then it leveled out and started running on its own but would run about 10-15
> seconds and start acting like running out of gas but would pick up on its
> own ,
> finally I walked off from it running and it came vack in 20 minutes it had
> died, I
> tapped on the carb and started it up, then it ran all afternoon, about 4
> hours
>
> what could be the cause of this and what can I check out or try to do?
>
> the carb is very clean inside?
>
> Clint
>
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jul 10 08:55:00 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:55:00 EDT
Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem
Message-ID: <195.42d138a2.30029ed4@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/10/2005 11:41:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
driggars at earthlink.net writes:

<< OK, I to am guessing that the needle is sticking, but what can U do about 
it since
 I have put a new one in? >>


Clint,

Something about the float/needle causing it sticking.  Take it apart and see 
if you can move things and make it stick.  Could the float be rubbing against 
something, float pin bent, some very small trash on needle seat, tip on the 
float that pushes against bottom of needle bent or a burr causing some slight 
binding?  Just a few ideas to look at.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jbcast at charter.net  Sun Jul 10 08:57:28 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:57:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem
Message-ID: <47kor5$10oe1lo@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net>


> > its likely that the needle and seat is sticking or partially blocked
> 
> OK, I to am guessing that the needle is sticking, but what can U do about it since
> I have put a new one in?
> 
> Clint
It's not likely that the needle is sticking while it's running, that usually happens when it's stopped. Have you checked fuel pressure? Put a gauge on it and run it.
J.B. Castagnos


From driggars at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 10 11:57:18 2005
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:57:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem
References: <47kor5$10oe1lo@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <022e01c58581$32930b20$b6408304@clinton>

JB

I am running an electric fuel pump, and I actually tried another new one just in
case, this motor originally had a diafram type that work off vacuum

Maybe I have a line sucking air? or since I am using two fuel filters, one maybe
stopped up?

Clint

----- Original Message -----
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [SEL] carb_fueling problem


>
> > > its likely that the needle and seat is sticking or partially blocked
> >
> > OK, I to am guessing that the needle is sticking, but what can U do about it
since
> > I have put a new one in?
> >
> > Clint
> It's not likely that the needle is sticking while it's running, that usually
happens when it's stopped. Have you checked fuel pressure? Put a gauge on it and
run it.
> J.B. Castagnos
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 10 18:14:54 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:14:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem
References: <00ee01c58505$12abb220$f9458304@clinton>
Message-ID: <007801c585b5$f3f01720$42bff504@x8h7l9>

Hi Clint,

Some times a little water in the gas can then gas tank then fuel bowl will
play tricks. Sometimes I pour the last of the gas into a clean jar to look
for water. When I drop a fuel bowl, I like to catch the contents to look for
little beads of water. A bead of water will block the flow of gas in a jet,
but the choke will suck it thru.  Just an idea.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clint D" <driggars at earthlink.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 12:08 AM
Subject: [SEL] carb_fueling problem


> I have a Kohler CH18S engine, 18 HP V twin
>
> when I start it, it will run a few minutes then run out of gas, seems that
the
> needle seat was sticking closed and not allowing fuel in so I pulled the
carb,
> cleaned very well, installed a kit, new needle valve etc.
> I am running an electric fuel pump.
>
> Afetr I rebuilt the carb, it started and run fine but may do so far 2
minutes or
> 30 minutes?? then will run out of gas. I can peck on the carb and it will
run
> again for no telling how long, yesterday I could not keep it from doing
this when
> I started it up and stood there and tapped on the carb every 15 seconds or
so as
> that is how long it wanted to run, it would stay runing as long as I done
that,
> then it leveled out and started running on its own but would run about
10-15
> seconds and start acting like running out of gas but would pick up on its
own ,
> finally I walked off from it running and it came vack in 20 minutes it had
died, I
> tapped on the carb and started it up, then it ran all afternoon, about 4
hours
>
> what could be the cause of this and what can I check out or try to do?
>
> the carb is very clean inside?
>
> Clint
>
>
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From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com  Sun Jul 10 18:47:07 2005
From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:47:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cooling for Fairbanks needed.
References: <070820051850.23651.42CECAE800020ACD00005C6321603763169B04049A03@att.net>
	<42CEDAA9.80800@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <00e201c585ba$71ed1020$d8c77040@user>

FWIW
One BTU=heat to raise one pound of water 1?.
8.6 lbs per gal. (I think.)
To change state, liquid to steam with both at 212? takes 960 BTU per lb. or
there-abouts.


Paul Russell
Riga, Michigan
hit_n_miss at tc3net.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooling for Fairbanks needed.


Tom, Peter,
Might be that latent heat operating mode is appropriate. I called one of
our old club members who has the one copy of the original literature in
our club and he recalls the proper operating temperature as about 210?F.
I am planning on going to his place on Saturday to read the literature
and confirm this. If the water is leaving the engine near the boiling
point we can certainly get a LOT of cooling from evaporation as we
trickle it over a screen or similar device. Rob has suggested an
elevated wood tank and I think that would be a neat looking addition to
our engine building. A simple cone spray nozzle returning the hot water
to the tank would generate a substantial amount of cooling.
I've located a belt driven brass pump for circulating the water too.
Keep the ideas coming.
Curt

mullt at att.net wrote:

>With all due respect, I don't think the latent heat of vaporization is the
appropriate property to consider.
>
>The latent heat would only be applicable if the water changes phase (from
water to steam or vapor). Most water cooling systems recirculate the cooling
medium as water.
>
>The issue for the cooler is whether it is a closed system like an
automobile radiator or an open system like a cooling tower. If it is a
closed system, all of the cooling would be sensible heat. If it is an open
system, there would be some evaporative cooling but not equal to the latent
heat of the water. If it is an open system, you need to look at the
temperature of the water leaving the engine and the wet bulb temperature of
the ambient air.
>
>Tom in St. Louis
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
>
>
>>On 7/8/05, Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Guys,
>>>At our Cotton Ginning Days meeting last night we discussed several
>>>options for cooling our 37 1/2HP Fairbanks semi-diesel used to drive our
>>>cotton gin. At the bottom of this link is a picture of the engine:
>>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/cottongin.htm>
>>>
>>>Since we began using the engine we have just run city water thru it and
>>>dumped the water in a ditch nearby. After running for 3 days at our
>>>annual show this creates a big mud hole of a mess at one of the
>>>entrances to a field folks display engines in.
>>>
>>>One of the ideas floated was to acquire a period correct "cooler" to
>>>recirculate water to the engine. So I am soliciting for suggestions on
>>>what such a device would be and look like. Maybe someone even has one we
>>>can use. What would a cooler be? A wooden cooling tower with slats that
>>>trickle the water collected in a tank at the bottom? ORA plain wooden
>>>tank like this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Illinois%20Oil%20Lease/09
.jpg>
>>
>>
>>> OR Something with a fan that creates updraft like you see in industry?
>>>
>>>We flow about 3 gallon per minute thru our engine. We really don't use
>>>the full HP of the engine and I would estimate we use 1/2 the HP at
>>>most. If anyone has suggestions on what would be the best type of period
>>>correct cooler, and even better where we can get one, we'd sure like to
>>>hear from you.
>>>Curt Holland
>>>Gastonia, NC
>>>Cotton Ginning Days Show Oct 14, 15, and 16th.
>>>
>>>P.S. I have estimated a cooling load of 3.3 tons (41000 BTU/hr) for the
>>>cooler, so this will be a small unit.
>>>
>>>
>>That's a bit big for a screen cooling setup, and a tank cooling system
>>would probably be a bit heavy, but for demo use I would certainly look
>>at a screen cooler, and you would need a pump to circulate the water,
>>unless you used exhaust pressure to do it.
>>
>>Look at the figures for the latent heat of evaporation of water, you'd
>>be surprised how little you would need to get the heat out of the
>>engine.
>>
>>Peter
>>-- 
>>Peter A Forbes
>>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>>
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From Bimjy at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 10 19:59:14 2005
From: Bimjy at hotmail.com (Jim Hunter)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:59:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane tank
Message-ID: <BAY9-DAV15942A100EDB7E381F9974BADC0@phx.gbl>

To the gentleman with the 15 hp Reid, My 12 hp Oil city uses way more propane for the hot tube than for engine running! My tube won't get hot enough on low pressure gas. Engine will run fine on low! Tube takes a higher psi regulator.  I tee my low pressure regulator in line after the high one then just use one 40# tank.  Hope this info helps you a little!!  Jim Hunter

From nick at holden1.net  Sun Jul 10 12:04:40 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:04:40 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] Burford (UK) rally
Message-ID: <42D17148.000003.03444@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Hi all
after a hot weekend photos at

nick


Nick Holden
Banbury 
Oxfordshire (UK)
SKYPE nickholden1
nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jul 11 02:14:42 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:14:42 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mag repair
Message-ID: <014e01c585f9$5131db60$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I just put a few pics up on Jim's list on fixing a mag.
I dont know how to do a link to pics for this list.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 11 04:26:33 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:26:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Mag repair
In-Reply-To: <014e01c585f9$5131db60$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F8B7D117A23F00C5D0D960C8DC0@phx.gbl>

Here ya go mate:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/01Newbush.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/02Brokenend.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/03Startofnewend.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/04Newend.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/05Newend.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/06Newend.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/07Newnylongear.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/08Fixedandfinished.JPG

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
===============================

>From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Mag repair
>Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:14:42 +1000
>
>I just put a few pics up on Jim's list on fixing a mag.
>I dont know how to do a link to pics for this list.
>Reg & Marg Ingold.
>Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jul 11 07:00:13 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:00:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Auction (from Pete)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507110959430.79912@vegeta.city-net.com>



---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:35:25 +1000
From: Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: fero_ah at city-net.com
Subject: Hi Arnie

can you please pass this along to ATIS


Hi all
Anyone going to this auction

http://www.nixonauctioneers.com/listings/jorgensen.html

Contact me at plowe at exemail.com.au  with "nixon auction" in the subject line
of your email.

Peter, Oz


From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jul 11 09:41:16 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:41:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update.
Message-ID: <42D2A12C.40805@imc-group.com>

Have been working on making the cart rails from wood sent by Richard 
Fink. The list comes thru again!

Also Saturday was the day to make a special fixture to ream the intake 
valve guide oversized to eliminate the badly worn condition. On a Baker 
Monitor the intake valve and exhaust valve sit in line with each other. 
Machining them is a challenge. On this link you'll see both the wood 
working on the cart rails and the intake valve reaming fixture. Here is 
the link and at the bottom look for 7/11/05 update:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html

I have a question....what is a good material to use between the upper 
part of the main bearing caps and the block to provide a seal?

Hope you enjoy.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From mullt at att.net  Mon Jul 11 11:03:52 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:03:52 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update.
Message-ID: <071120051803.23253.42D2B4870006856D00005AD521603763169B04049A03@att.net>


Curt,

For those of us who are new to working on old engines, your pictures are a great resource. Thanks.

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
> Have been working on making the cart rails from wood sent by Richard 
> Fink. The list comes thru again!
> 
> Also Saturday was the day to make a special fixture to ream the intake 
> valve guide oversized to eliminate the badly worn condition. On a Baker 
> Monitor the intake valve and exhaust valve sit in line with each other. 
> Machining them is a challenge. On this link you'll see both the wood 
> working on the cart rails and the intake valve reaming fixture. Here is 
> the link and at the bottom look for 7/11/05 update:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbn
> ails.html
> 
> I have a question....what is a good material to use between the upper 
> part of the main bearing caps and the block to provide a seal?
> 
> Hope you enjoy.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jul 11 15:46:45 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:46:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update.
References: <42D2A12C.40805@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <027a01c5866a$6c5bad50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I have a question....what is a good material to use between the upper
part of the main bearing caps and the block to provide a seal?

That is supposed to be open as a breather.
It  also allows the excess oil to migrate all over your smart engine.
If you block this off you will have to fit some sort of breather.
If you dont, the front door leaks and the camshaft n,crankshaft blows oil 
out. A mess just the same as leaving it.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From empson07 at chilitech.com  Mon Jul 11 16:29:42 2005
From: empson07 at chilitech.com (Mark Empson)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:29:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] removal
Message-ID: <000801c58670$6c8a76c0$0880e83f@pavilion>

In that my schedule doesn't allow me to read the mail the list generates I wish to be removed .
        Thank You Mark Empson

From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Jul 11 18:09:28 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:09:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] removal
In-Reply-To: <000801c58670$6c8a76c0$0880e83f@pavilion>
References: <000801c58670$6c8a76c0$0880e83f@pavilion>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050711210843.043c95a8@mail.alltel.net>

School, books, covers, eat!
         Dave

At 07:29 PM 7/11/2005, you wrote:
>In that my schedule doesn't allow me to read the mail the list generates I 
>wish to be removed .
>         Thank You Mark Empson
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jul 11 18:29:30 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:29:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] JD 160 Garden tractor question
Message-ID: <20050711.182930.1396.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks to all who helped with suggestions with the ignition switch.  The
tractor now starts and stops with the key.  There were several problems,
the neutral safety switch was not hooked up, and the safety switch in the
electric clutch for the mower deck was corroded.  After those two were
cleaned up, there were some wires that the PO spliced together with
patches that were too small and with poor connections.  Thanks again.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Jul 11 13:51:02 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:51:02 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update.
References: <42D2A12C.40805@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <002201c5865a$4353ef40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>


> I have a question....what is a good material to use between the upper 
> part of the main bearing caps and the block to provide a seal?
> 
> Hope you enjoy.
> Curt Holland

Hi Curt,
I always use "Locktite" 574, it's especial for flat surfaces
and works fine for me.
BTW interesting valve reaming fixture you made.

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jul 11 19:46:06 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:46:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] removal
References: <000801c58670$6c8a76c0$0880e83f@pavilion>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050711210843.043c95a8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <034701c5868f$e90ce970$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I was waiting!! VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] removal


> School, books, covers, eat!
>         Dave
>
> At 07:29 PM 7/11/2005, you wrote:
>>In that my schedule doesn't allow me to read the mail the list generates I 
>>wish to be removed .
>>         Thank You Mark Empson
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jul 12 00:10:06 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:10:06 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland week
Message-ID: <6f6025160507120010732945c7@mail.gmail.com>

We are coming over a little earlier this year, and we are staying up
in the north of the state so we can have a look at the Studebaker
museum in South Bend, and then the Amish Country area over to the east
of that city. On the way down towards Portland we are also going to
the Auburn/Cord/Deusenberg museum at Auburn before arriving at the
show sometime on Wednesday.

Anything else we can look at up that way?

Saturday we are going to the Dayton Air Force Museum, so we have
nearly 3 whole days at Portland. Sunday we have to leave really early
as our flight out of Fort Wayne leaves at 07.19, and it's about a
2-1/2 hour drive up from Muncie where we are staying.

This is probably the last year we are coming over for a while, we have
house rebuilding to do next year, and probably a wedding to go to in
Oz in the fall, so that probably puts out anything else for 2006.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jul 12 06:10:01 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:10:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update.
In-Reply-To: <027a01c5866a$6c5bad50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <42D2A12C.40805@imc-group.com>
	<027a01c5866a$6c5bad50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <42D3C129.9020702@imc-group.com>

Reg,
Well I'll be! Makes perfectly good sense now that you explain it. Seems 
like there was nothing but a good layer of crud in the area when we took 
it apart, but just assumed some sort of seal had been removed. And to 
think I went to a fair amount of trouble this weekend when putting the 
crankshaft in. RTV'd the slingers to the crankshaft to make sure oil 
could not get by them. Also RTV's each and every shim both to the block, 
to each other, and to the caps to make sure oil could not weep by them 
either. Now you tell me there will be 2 open windows to freely pump air 
and oil mist out. Guess stocking up on paper towels is a must! Jim 
Kirkes says an inch of oil max in the bottom of the crankcase seems to 
be the happy medium between proper lubrication and oil slobbering.
Thanks for saving me from this mistake.
Curt

R & M Ingold wrote:

> I have a question....what is a good material to use between the upper
> part of the main bearing caps and the block to provide a seal?
>
> That is supposed to be open as a breather.
> It  also allows the excess oil to migrate all over your smart engine.
> If you block this off you will have to fit some sort of breather.
> If you dont, the front door leaks and the camshaft n,crankshaft blows 
> oil out. A mess just the same as leaving it.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>
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>
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Jul 11 22:54:37 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:54:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Medium Sized Galloway Cart
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1515C969CE7328ABE5F13DBBDF0@phx.gbl>

  Whatcha think gang..does the look like a Galloway cart?  Sure resembles 
the smaller one.  I'd say the wheels are ~14" in Dia.  The bolsters are very 
similiar also.

http://community.webshots.com/album/392994376PavvTB

"Nice and warm" in Mt.

Rick 


From shop at cccomm.net  Tue Jul 12 06:41:00 2005
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:41:00 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Vaughn Drag Saw
References: <6f6025160507120010732945c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004001c586e7$576a7890$6401a8c0@Shop>

Does anyone know what the original mag set up was on the 2 cycle saw? And 
what mag was on it?

Thanks in advance
Dave Ernst 




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jul 12 07:20:02 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:20:02 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Anyone like aircraft engines.
References: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1>
	<dbccfc9b8195b1318958664e24c255cf@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <000601c59cbb$dfe71d10$fa4c1152@no1>

Hi John, there were 2 examples running last year at the Lake District Rally.
See http://community.webshots.com/album/167571610Nkxrin/1
If any wants any detailed pictures I will be attending again in a couple of weeks
& will take pictures.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Anyone like aircraft engines.


> That is really cool!
> 
> One mistake they made twice is "showing six of the twelve exhaust  
> ports." It's got 24 exhaust ports, often as in this case using stub  
> exhaust manifolds that each cover two ports.
> 
> John
> 
> On Aug 6, 2005, at 7:32 PM, Dave Croft wrote:
> 
> > I will be viewing this engine again in a couple of weeks at  
> > Flookborough but the BBC have
> > taken the pictures for me!
> > See  
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/cumbria/content/image_galleries/ 
> > merlin_engine_gallery.shtml?1
> > Make sure you listen to the Audio.
> 
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jul 12 14:29:00 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:29:00 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update.
References: <42D2A12C.40805@imc-group.com><027a01c5866a$6c5bad50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<42D3C129.9020702@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <054501c5872c$7d8276a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I think that 'wing' on the bearing cap is a beetle stopper only! (They make 
the oil go thick! <G>)
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Baker Monitor update.


> Reg,
> Well I'll be! Makes perfectly good sense now that you explain it. Seems 
> like there was nothing but a good layer of crud in the area when we took 
> it apart, 




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Jul 12 14:59:25 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:59:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Anyone like aircraft engines.
In-Reply-To: <000601c59cbb$dfe71d10$fa4c1152@no1>
References: <000501c59adf$141aeaa0$fa4c1152@no1>
	<dbccfc9b8195b1318958664e24c255cf@chartertn.net>
	<000601c59cbb$dfe71d10$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <ad13e8d723a9a35c465e83312f4759d3@chartertn.net>

> Hi John, there were 2 examples running last year at the Lake District 
> Rally.
> See http://community.webshots.com/album/167571610Nkxrin/1

Nice!

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 12 15:49:59 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:49:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] removal
In-Reply-To: <034701c5868f$e90ce970$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <20050712225000.96248.qmail@web31301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

In other words, Mark,,,,

Any amount of wishing will do NOTHING.
How did you sign on this list?????
Wishing did not make it happen.
Hit the link at the bottom of any list email and sign in.
Then YOU can turn off YOUR email or completly leave the list.

Just this one time I will not remove all the extra junk from the bottom of this email.  There
should be at least four copies of the link that you need down there. 8>))

HTH,
Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan

BTW,,, 
Before ya go,
I really wish you would introduce yourself.
Where are you?
What kind of engines do you have or want?

--- R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:

> I was waiting!! VBG
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] removal
> 
> 
> > School, books, covers, eat!
> >         Dave
> >
> > At 07:29 PM 7/11/2005, you wrote:
> >>In that my schedule doesn't allow me to read the mail the list generates I wish to be removed
.
         Thank You Mark Empson
_______________________________________________
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From tpace at paceaudio.com  Tue Jul 12 16:11:45 2005
From: tpace at paceaudio.com (Tom Pace)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:11:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <FIEHLGCBCDNCNKMMBAFKOEEOCEAA.tpace@paceaudio.com>

I am trying to restore a 4 horse Worthington Kerosene engine, in Lima, Peru.
The fuel pump part of carburetor is missing. I can make one if anyone has a
picture.  Why is there a water line from cooling hopper to carb?
Thanks.
Tom



From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Jul 12 17:09:48 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:09:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
References: <FIEHLGCBCDNCNKMMBAFKOEEOCEAA.tpace@paceaudio.com>
Message-ID: <013101c5873f$30922260$dc416e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Hi Tom,

The water line from the hopper is to supply a dribble of water to the carb 
when the engine is running on kerosene.  Without the water the engine will 
knock when running under a load.  Probably not needed for show running but 
it is a nice touch to have it hooked up even if you run on gas and don't use 
it.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Pace" <tpace at paceaudio.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 4:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)


I am trying to restore a 4 horse Worthington Kerosene engine, in Lima, Peru.
The fuel pump part of carburetor is missing. I can make one if anyone has a
picture.  Why is there a water line from cooling hopper to carb?
Thanks.
Tom

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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Jul 12 17:09:47 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:09:47 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Wheels
Message-ID: <20050712.170948.1160.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  Thought some of you might like to see a new set of wheels I am
making for my 6hp Witte Dieselectric engine.  The bands are 3/16x3, hubs
3x4 with 2" holes for loose roller bearings made out of 3/8 cold rolled,
and spokes made of 1/2" black pipe.  Less than $40 in materials so far
not counting bearing material,  and a few hours time.

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30768854&p=72252347&Sequ
ence=0&res=high

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From WinkAndGinger at aol.com  Tue Jul 12 18:41:44 2005
From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:41:44 EDT
Subject: [SEL] New Wheels
Message-ID: <143.48cb62e9.3005cb58@aol.com>

......as usual Ron, you forever amaze me!

Wink & Ginger Thornton, 
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=


From skipl at montana.com  Tue Jul 12 19:22:42 2005
From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:22:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Vaughn Drag Saw
References: <6f6025160507120010732945c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<004001c586e7$576a7890$6401a8c0@Shop>
Message-ID: <42D47AF2.89511640@montana.com>

i know some used an ek.   skip in nw montana

Dave Ernst wrote:

> Does anyone know what the original mag set up was on the 2 cycle saw? And
> what mag was on it?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Dave Ernst
>
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From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 12 19:51:37 2005
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:51:37 +1000
Subject: [SEL] trouble with list
Message-ID: <BAY14-F2949DBA1FEDEF03AE3624CBADE0@phx.gbl>

HI All. i have a friend who is having trouble with his mail not going 
through to the list any ideas on how to help him. Dave

_________________________________________________________________
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From gibsongus at myway.com  Tue Jul 12 22:01:52 2005
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:01:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] New Wheels
Message-ID: <20050713050152.6DAA4396C@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 What are you going to do with the John Deere? I though that was going to be the machine,, I still don't get your pics. I think you have to much time on your hands.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Tue 07/12, &lt; rdhaskell at juno.com &gt; wrote:
From: [mailto: rdhaskell at juno.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:09:47 -0700Subject: [SEL] New WheelsHi all. Thought some of you might like to see a new set of wheels I ammaking for my 6hp Witte Dieselectric engine. The bands are 3/16x3, hubs3x4 with 2" holes for loose roller bearings made out of 3/8 cold rolled,and spokes made of 1/2" black pipe. Less than $40 in materials so farnot counting bearing material, and a few hours time.http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&amp;a=30768854&amp;p=72252347&amp;Sequence=0&amp;res=highRon Haskellrdhaskell at juno.comRiverside, CaliforniaUSAhttp://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&amp;f=0_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 13 04:00:37 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:00:37 +0000
Subject: [SEL] New Wheels
In-Reply-To: <20050712.170948.1160.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F12268BE2D7726A0B60CE7AC8DE0@phx.gbl>

Ron,

Did you radius the ends of the 1/2" pipe that you used for the spokes to 
match the hub and wheel radius? Or were the ends of the spokes just cut 
square and the gap filled with weld?

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
===============

>From: rdhaskell at juno.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] New Wheels
>Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:09:47 -0700
>
>Hi all.  Thought some of you might like to see a new set of wheels I am
>making for my 6hp Witte Dieselectric engine.  The bands are 3/16x3, hubs
>3x4 with 2" holes for loose roller bearings made out of 3/8 cold rolled,
>and spokes made of 1/2" black pipe.  Less than $40 in materials so far
>not counting bearing material,  and a few hours time.
>
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30768854&p=72252347&Sequ
>ence=0&res=high
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California
>USA
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 13 04:16:39 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:16:39 +0000
Subject: [SEL] nameplates
Message-ID: <BAY103-F340B552029F3336D47F6F8C8DE0@phx.gbl>

Sent by Reg to the oldengine.org list, I've inserted the links for 
Reg.........

Are these Lists great or what!!
After Jerry Evans in S Africa saved me from a severe beating about the head 
and body, from 'She who must be obeyed', (Lost pics salvaged), he again has 
proved what engine folk are all about.
>From photos of the original plates on the full size Big Chief, he produced 
the half size ones for the model. I got them in  yesterday's mail and 
thought to share them with you. They finish off a nice model.  It runs as 
well as it looks too.
Thanks Jerry.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/nameplates1.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/nameplates2.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/nameplates3.jpg

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From mtucker at uky.edu  Wed Jul 13 04:18:16 2005
From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:18:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump packing material
In-Reply-To: <20050712.170948.1160.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20050712.170948.1160.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <p06230903befaa275b5b3@[139.55.17.57]>

Howdy all,

I need some help with the fuel pump on my screen cooled 4 hp IHC 
Famous.  The old, dry rotted packing material that sealed around the 
pump plunger reminded me of burlap sack material in that it was like 
a loosely woven cloth with big threads.  Because of the design of the 
pump, there is a lot of space that the packing material needs to fill 
up.  I know there is a rope type of packing material but do y'all 
know of any other types that would be more like the burlap cloth that 
was in there that would occupy a lot of space more efficiently than 
the rope?

Also, the fuel pump has a two bolt mount on it, one on each side of 
the plunger, and there are two fuel line attachment fittings on each 
of the two small "chambers" on each side of the plunger (this gives 
the fuel pump an upside down "T" look).  In both chambers there is a 
ball bearing check valve.  My problem is that the pump is not 
symmetrical so which one is the inlet side and which one is the 
outlet side?  Also, the pump can be mounted two different ways with 
either chamber towards the head.  I doubt that in mechanical terms it 
matters which way it's mounted but how was it originally mounted?

Thanks for the help,
Mike
-- 
____________________
Michael Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
mtucker at uky.edu
____________________


From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jul 13 05:16:00 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 05:16:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump packing material
In-Reply-To: <p06230903befaa275b5b3@[139.55.17.57]>
References: <20050712.170948.1160.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<p06230903befaa275b5b3@[139.55.17.57]>
Message-ID: <2104.165.206.180.102.1121256960.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

Would that material plumbers used to use to seal drain pipe flanges work -
I believe it was called oakum? or something like that........

Bill

> Howdy all,
>
> I need some help with the fuel pump on my screen cooled 4 hp IHC
> Famous.  The old, dry rotted packing material that sealed around the
> pump plunger reminded me of burlap sack material in that it was like
> a loosely woven cloth with big threads.  Because of the design of the
> pump, there is a lot of space that the packing material needs to fill
> up.  I know there is a rope type of packing material but do y'all
> know of any other types that would be more like the burlap cloth that
> was in there that would occupy a lot of space more efficiently than
> the rope?
>
> Also, the fuel pump has a two bolt mount on it, one on each side of
> the plunger, and there are two fuel line attachment fittings on each
> of the two small "chambers" on each side of the plunger (this gives
> the fuel pump an upside down "T" look).  In both chambers there is a
> ball bearing check valve.  My problem is that the pump is not
> symmetrical so which one is the inlet side and which one is the
> outlet side?  Also, the pump can be mounted two different ways with
> either chamber towards the head.  I doubt that in mechanical terms it
> matters which way it's mounted but how was it originally mounted?
>
> Thanks for the help,
> Mike
> --
> ____________________
> Michael Tucker
> Midway, Kentucky, USA
> mtucker at uky.edu
> ____________________
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Wed Jul 13 05:49:58 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:49:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump packing material
In-Reply-To: <p06230903befaa275b5b3@[139.55.17.57]>
References: <20050712.170948.1160.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<p06230903befaa275b5b3@[139.55.17.57]>
Message-ID: <42D50DF6.1030807@steamengine.com.au>

Hi Mike,
I'd use square profile graphite rope. My Southern Cross P has a similar 
pump and the graphite rope is magic.

Paul

Michael Tucker wrote:
> I need some help with the fuel pump on my screen cooled 4 hp IHC 
> Famous.   I know there is a rope type of packing material but do y'all know 
> of any other types that would be more like the burlap cloth that was in 
> there that would occupy a lot of space more efficiently than the rope?

Regards
Paul
-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Jul 13 06:02:09 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:02:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
In-Reply-To: <20050710142210.ZPCW19806.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <20050713130129.HGUP23311.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>


After much grief and a bit of luck with a data recovery program, I have
recovered some of the pictures from my Timbertown trip I thought lost
forever :)
I now have some of them up at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tt051.html



Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jul 13 06:55:23 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:55:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New Wheels
Message-ID: <20050713.100922.1336.14.jlb94@juno.com>

Excellent wheels - Ron,


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From b2 at chooka.net  Wed Jul 13 07:48:36 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:48:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] nameplates
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F340B552029F3336D47F6F8C8DE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200507130948205.SM02420@wrbpc>

Wow, those plates add a great finishing touch to Reg's already superb work.
I have one of Reg's originals, it's just amazing what you do, Reg!

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke
Tonneberger
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 6:17 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] nameplates

Sent by Reg to the oldengine.org list, I've inserted the links for
Reg.........

Are these Lists great or what!!
After Jerry Evans in S Africa saved me from a severe beating about the head
and body, from 'She who must be obeyed', (Lost pics salvaged), he again has
proved what engine folk are all about.
>From photos of the original plates on the full size Big Chief, he 
>produced
the half size ones for the model. I got them in  yesterday's mail and
thought to share them with you. They finish off a nice model.  It runs as
well as it looks too.
Thanks Jerry.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/nameplates1.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/nameplates2.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/nameplates3.jpg

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold


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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jul 13 07:53:01 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:53:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump packing material
In-Reply-To: <p06230903befaa275b5b3@[139.55.17.57]>
Message-ID: <200507131453.j6DErEmt005140@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


>know of any other types that would be more like the burlap cloth that 
> was in there that would occupy a lot of space more efficiently than 
> the rope?

Hi Mike,
What you might be looking for is a "woven" packing that has a square cross
section.  It comes in different materials and can be impregnated with
lubricants.  It comes in different sizes, so you can get whatever fills up the
space in your pump.  McMaster-Carr has a selection if you want to order online.
If you want expert one-on-one advice, call these folks:
http://www.acdepuydt.com/store_front/main_menu_main.htm

Rob




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jul 13 08:20:22 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:20:22 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Wheels
Message-ID: <20050713.082022.628.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Luke.
The spokes were originally cut square, at final fitting the spokes on the
18" wheel were slightly angled on one end for a better fit.  The spokes
on the 14" wheels were angled more, so they were beveled on both ends for
better fit.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:00:37 +0000 "Luke Tonneberger"
<flywheelin at hotmail.com> writes:
> Ron,
> 
> Did you radius the ends of the 1/2" pipe that you used for the 
> spokes to 
> match the hub and wheel radius? Or were the ends of the spokes just 
> cut 
> square and the gap filled with weld?
> 
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA


From mullt at att.net  Wed Jul 13 11:10:03 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:10:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] New Wheels
Message-ID: <071320051810.517.42D558FA000ED7990000020521602806519B04049A03@att.net>

Ron,

How did you get the outer part of the wheel and the axle bearing such that they were concentric and not out of alignment? Thanks.

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: rdhaskell at juno.com
> Hi Luke.
> The spokes were originally cut square, at final fitting the spokes on the
> 18" wheel were slightly angled on one end for a better fit.  The spokes
> on the 14" wheels were angled more, so they were beveled on both ends for
> better fit.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:00:37 +0000 "Luke Tonneberger"
> <flywheelin at hotmail.com> writes:
> > Ron,
> > 
> > Did you radius the ends of the 1/2" pipe that you used for the 
> > spokes to 
> > match the hub and wheel radius? Or were the ends of the spokes just 
> > cut 
> > square and the gap filled with weld?
> > 
> > Luke Tonneberger
> > Rockford, Michigan
> > USA
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jul 13 13:17:52 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:17:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Wheels
Message-ID: <20050713.131752.628.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Tom.
After the outer bands were welded and ground smooth, they were centered
on a large X drawn in chalk intersecting at 90? on the welding table( a
?" steel plate 4'x10').  The hub was centered on the X.  Since the hub
was 4" long and the band 3" wide, the band was spaced off the table ?"
with ?" square cold rolled.  Measurements were taken for the length of
the spokes and they were cut.  All the spokes are on the centerline of
the rim, but are alternately off set 1" on the hub.  A wooden wedge was
cut to the desired angle of the spokes.  Some spokes needed the ends
beveled for a better fit.  Then they were welded to the hub.  This
required flipping the hub back and forth to weld all spokes.  Finally the
rim was spaced ?" off the table, the hub with spokes attached was dropped
in and pressed flat against the table and welded.  They turned out very
well.
I hope that answers your question.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:10:03 +0000 mullt at att.net writes:
> Ron,
> 
> How did you get the outer part of the wheel and the axle bearing 
> such that they were concentric and not out of alignment? Thanks.


From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jul 13 14:14:35 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:14:35 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump packing material
Message-ID: <1f9.da16c6c.3006de3b@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/13/2005 7:48:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mtucker at uky.edu writes:

<<  My problem is that the pump is not 
 symmetrical so which one is the inlet side and which one is the 
 outlet side? >>


Mike

 On both of my 6 hp engines, the inlet side is on the right and outlet is on 
the left.  Also the inlet is facing down drawing from the bottom of the tank 
and the outlet is facing left at right angle to plunger going to the carb. I 
have had good success with plumbers graphite rope type calking, but understand 
the square teflon type works well too.  It does not take much to fill the void.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Jul 13 16:05:40 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:05:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump packing material
In-Reply-To: <200507131453.j6DErEmt005140@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200507131453.j6DErEmt005140@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <3105fa6cff6e3c204f5e042f2accb436@chartertn.net>

That square packing material will work better if you cut pieces to fit 
like piston rings, with the gaps staggered, instead of trying to wind 
it in a spiral.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Wed Jul 13 16:23:59 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:23:59 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump packing material
References: <200507131453.j6DErEmt005140@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<3105fa6cff6e3c204f5e042f2accb436@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <001501c58801$f3736ce0$0b84dccb@oemcomputer>

Starbolt engine supply's have old type pump packing and it works great.I is
not expensive and you don't need much.I picked up 10 boxed reals of this
same stuff here in OZ at a swap meet some years ago and use it on the new
pumps that I make.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 9:05
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fuel pump packing material


> That square packing material will work better if you cut pieces to fit
> like piston rings, with the gaps staggered, instead of trying to wind
> it in a spiral.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 13 18:01:21 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:01:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Paint and primer
Message-ID: <42D5B961.50301@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Been giving this thought for quite some time and now time to ask 
opinions. When you paint an engine do you prime it first or just shoot 
the color? If you prime it why? I shot the Maytag with no primer and 
it's fine. Thinking of the same for the Sattley.

I have built many auto engines and never primed them. Spray can engine 
enamel over bare metal. Last one of mine had 75,000 plus with no paint 
issues. Thoughts and comments welcome.

Jeff Allen
Arvada, 98 degrees at 6 P.M., Colorado

P.S. Always nice to get something like this in the inbox.

> My Maytag 92 arrived a few days ago and I have started the restoration 
> of it, having a great time doing so. I contacted Mark with a list of 
> parts needed and I am just waiting to hear back on the postage, great 
> guy and the prices are very reasonable.The tear down went pretty 
> smooth, I could not belive the crud in the fuel tank it looked like 
> tar!!! Can you do me a favor can you send me a link to your 
> restoration site, for some reason I can not find it, those photos are 
> very helpful. Also,  what spraypaint do you use on these motors that 
> is a good match. Thanks again for your time. I will e-mail pictures 
> when done so you can check it out.





From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 13 18:10:18 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:10:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Wheels
In-Reply-To: <20050712.170948.1160.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20050712.170948.1160.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <42D5BB7A.5030008@earthlink.net>

Hi Ron,

Always a pleasure to see your work. A few hours time for you, and many 
more for some. Might give thought to selling some on e-bay. I think the 
market is there for those without your skills.

Jeff Allen

rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

>Hi all.  Thought some of you might like to see a new set of wheels I am
>making for my 6hp Witte Dieselectric engine.  The bands are 3/16x3, hubs
>3x4 with 2" holes for loose roller bearings made out of 3/8 cold rolled,
>and spokes made of 1/2" black pipe.  Less than $40 in materials so far
>not counting bearing material,  and a few hours time.
>
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/View?u=3009370&a=30768854&p=72252347&Sequ
>ence=0&res=high
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California
>USA
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
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>
>
>  
>



From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jul 13 20:47:04 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:47:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Paint and primer
Message-ID: <20050713.235134.656.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Jeff,

I always prime and sand before paint.
I feel it helps fill some imperfections but I also feel it helps the
paint stick better.
Mostly if you get a "ding" moving stuff around.

I'm not much on spray painting.
Mostly because I don't care to spend a lot on fancy auto finishes and
expensive thinners.
Rust-Oleum is my usual choice.

I have had a lot of "fish-eye" problems with Rust-Oleum spray cans - 
even after extensive cleaning with degreasers.

I thin my paint pretty much with paint thinner and brush on many coats,
sanding with 
280 wet'n dry or 000 steel wool between each coat.

I've even used varnish for a clear coat and it works out real well.

JMO

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From rexhinz at chorus.net  Wed Jul 13 13:46:38 2005
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:46:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] trouble with list
References: <BAY14-F2949DBA1FEDEF03AE3624CBADE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000901c587eb$fabe0a70$4f86a5d8@mycomputer>

Hi

      My mail was not going through last week, I emailed my internet
provider and told them and presto about two hours later all my blocked mail
from 2 days appeared on the list, they may be blocking it
 Rex
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Nicolson" <dnicolson40 at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:51 PM
Subject: [SEL] trouble with list


> HI All. i have a friend who is having trouble with his mail not going
> through to the list any ideas on how to help him. Dave
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Sell your car for $9 on carpoint.com.au
> http://www.carpoint.com.au/sellyourcar
>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu Jul 14 03:19:55 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:19:55 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump packing material
Message-ID: <071420051019.24601.42D63C4B000C86930000601921979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi Mike,
Some time ago I posted a similar request and found out from a old steamengine 
man that Telfon packing rope is the best there is.  Found it with alot of help 
from fellow list members thru McMaster Carr sources.  It isn't cheap, but 
works very very well.  I rebuild my 1905 Stover 5hp upright with it. The fuel 
pump works better then it ever did with the orginal stuff.  If you want some 
of these stuff I had to buy a full roll to get it and would sell you what you 
need.
contact me off list,
Curt Andree


> Howdy all,
> 
> I need some help with the fuel pump on my screen cooled 4 hp IHC 
> Famous.  The old, dry rotted packing material that sealed around the 
> pump plunger reminded me of burlap sack material in that it was like 
> a loosely woven cloth with big threads.  Because of the design of the 
> pump, there is a lot of space that the packing material needs to fill 
> up.  I know there is a rope type of packing material but do y'all 
> know of any other types that would be more like the burlap cloth that 
> was in there that would occupy a lot of space more efficiently than 
> the rope?
> 
> Also, the fuel pump has a two bolt mount on it, one on each side of 
> the plunger, and there are two fuel line attachment fittings on each 
> of the two small "chambers" on each side of the plunger (this gives 
> the fuel pump an upside down "T" look).  In both chambers there is a 
> ball bearing check valve.  My problem is that the pump is not 
> symmetrical so which one is the inlet side and which one is the 
> outlet side?  Also, the pump can be mounted two different ways with 
> either chamber towards the head.  I doubt that in mechanical terms it 
> matters which way it's mounted but how was it originally mounted?
> 
> Thanks for the help,
> Mike
> -- 
> ____________________
> Michael Tucker
> Midway, Kentucky, USA
> mtucker at uky.edu
> ____________________
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Thu Jul 14 07:01:36 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:01:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Paint and primer
In-Reply-To: <42D5B961.50301@earthlink.net>
References: <42D5B961.50301@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050714065950.01a79c30@mail.pennswoods.net>

Sounds good Jeff but how did the engine run.[[[with the new paint]]]
R Fink
PA



At 07:01 PM 7/13/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Been giving this thought for quite some time and now time to ask opinions. 
>When you paint an engine do you prime it first or just shoot the color? If 
>you prime it why? I shot the Maytag with no primer and it's fine. Thinking 
>of the same for the Sattley.
>
>I have built many auto engines and never primed them. Spray can engine 
>enamel over bare metal. Last one of mine had 75,000 plus with no paint 
>issues. Thoughts and comments welcome.
>
>Jeff Allen
>Arvada, 98 degrees at 6 P.M., Colorado





From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jul 14 04:53:42 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:53:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Paint and primer
In-Reply-To: <42D5B961.50301@earthlink.net>
References: <42D5B961.50301@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <42D65246.2060802@imc-group.com>

Jeff,
Ted Brookover has stated he paints his engines with straight color, no 
primer. This certainly eliminates a lot of the chipping problems.
Food for thought however. If you do any assembly of parts prior to 
spraying, this method would leave unpainted areas under those parts that 
can rust and weep rust stains. If you like the idea of eliminating the 
primer you could alway "cut in" those areas that would be covered or 
hidden prior to assembly. Assemble the engine, scotchbrite what you can 
and spray the entire engine.
Personally I blast and spray all the individual parts with a 2 part 
primer that is as durable and is as rust preventing as any top coat. 
Since it takes me forever to put anything together, this gives excellent 
rust prevention in this wet/humid climate until I can get the engine 
assembled to the point where it is ready for color.
For engines I am slicking I'll do as above with primer but will cut in 
areas with color before assembling. On this link the top 2 or 3 photos 
show this. 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/6Hercules/Memorialweekend/Weekend.html>
The 6HP Herc shown turned out pretty decent.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
P.S. Trade your dry 98?F for our sticky 95?F / 76? F wet bulb temps. 

Jeff Allen wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Been giving this thought for quite some time and now time to ask 
> opinions. When you paint an engine do you prime it first or just shoot 
> the color? If you prime it why? I shot the Maytag with no primer and 
> it's fine. Thinking of the same for the Sattley.
>
> I have built many auto engines and never primed them. Spray can engine 
> enamel over bare metal. Last one of mine had 75,000 plus with no paint 
> issues. Thoughts and comments welcome.
>
> Jeff Allen
> Arvada, 98 degrees at 6 P.M., Colorado
>
> P.S. Always nice to get something like this in the inbox.
>
>> My Maytag 92 arrived a few days ago and I have started the 
>> restoration of it, having a great time doing so. I contacted Mark 
>> with a list of parts needed and I am just waiting to hear back on the 
>> postage, great guy and the prices are very reasonable.The tear down 
>> went pretty smooth, I could not belive the crud in the fuel tank it 
>> looked like tar!!! Can you do me a favor can you send me a link to 
>> your restoration site, for some reason I can not find it, those 
>> photos are very helpful. Also,  what spraypaint do you use on these 
>> motors that is a good match. Thanks again for your time. I will 
>> e-mail pictures when done so you can check it out.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Jul 14 05:14:21 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:14:21 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
In-Reply-To: <20050713130129.HGUP23311.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20050710142210.ZPCW19806.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050714221331.00b277a0@mail.ncable.com.au>

Patrick do you recall what carbie was on the Richard Hornsby engine on page 
one??
Russell

At 11:02 PM 13/07/2005 +1000, you wrote:

>After much grief and a bit of luck with a data recovery program, I have
>recovered some of the pictures from my Timbertown trip I thought lost
>forever :)
>I now have some of them up at:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tt051.html
>
>
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From toadhill at aeroinc.net  Thu Jul 14 05:13:46 2005
From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:13:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel Pump Packing
Message-ID: <002c01c5886d$7cfe98c0$afcc940c@mcness.com>

To Mike Tucker,

Would recommend solid teflon packing.  It comes in large sizes and makes excellent packing with very little drag required to make a good seal.  McMaster Carr Co. carries the packing.  Curt Andree got some for all of us and I packed his Stover pump with it.  Curt has the actual page of the catalog.  The old rope type packings are very poor for worn fuel pumps.

Regards,
Joe Maurer
Toadhill Farm

From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jul 14 05:42:56 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:42:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Paint and primer, and Rhino liner
References: <42D5B961.50301@earthlink.net> <42D65246.2060802@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV185CBB79B849F273BE9BB4BBD10@phx.gbl>

Just for experimenting and evaluating, I didn't prime Kathy's pump and jack 
lawn ornament.  So far, so good, but it doesn't get moved, but has to bear 
the Montana elements 24/7/365.  I'll take a good look at it today.

   Corky's brother who used to paint cars for a living says that in our 
hobby, priming is not necessary....but I have primed all the engine parts up 
to date.

  Curt, how do you like the Rhino liner on the wheel faces?  I've used a 
similiar product and when it gets rolled on the 3/4" gravel driveway, the 
gravel sticks to the wheel faces...not good when the transition to concrete 
comes around.


later
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Paint and primer


> Jeff,
> Ted Brookover has stated he paints his engines with straight color, no
> primer. This certainly eliminates a lot of the chipping problems.
> Food for thought however. If you do any assembly of parts prior to
> spraying, this method would leave unpainted areas under those parts that
> can rust and weep rust stains. If you like the idea of eliminating the
> primer you could alway "cut in" those areas that would be covered or
> hidden prior to assembly. Assemble the engine, scotchbrite what you can
> and spray the entire engine.
> Personally I blast and spray all the individual parts with a 2 part
> primer that is as durable and is as rust preventing as any top coat.
> Since it takes me forever to put anything together, this gives excellent
> rust prevention in this wet/humid climate until I can get the engine
> assembled to the point where it is ready for color.
> For engines I am slicking I'll do as above with primer but will cut in
> areas with color before assembling. On this link the top 2 or 3 photos
> show this.
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/6Hercules/Memorialweekend/Weekend.html>
> The 6HP Herc shown turned out pretty decent.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> P.S. Trade your dry 98?F for our sticky 95?F / 76? F wet bulb temps.
>
> Jeff Allen wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Been giving this thought for quite some time and now time to ask
> > opinions. When you paint an engine do you prime it first or just shoot
> > the color? If you prime it why? I shot the Maytag with no primer and
> > it's fine. Thinking of the same for the Sattley.
> >
> > I have built many auto engines and never primed them. Spray can engine
> > enamel over bare metal. Last one of mine had 75,000 plus with no paint
> > issues. Thoughts and comments welcome.
> >
> > Jeff Allen
> > Arvada, 98 degrees at 6 P.M., Colorado
> >
> > P.S. Always nice to get something like this in the inbox.
> >
> >> My Maytag 92 arrived a few days ago and I have started the
> >> restoration of it, having a great time doing so. I contacted Mark
> >> with a list of parts needed and I am just waiting to hear back on the
> >> postage, great guy and the prices are very reasonable.The tear down
> >> went pretty smooth, I could not belive the crud in the fuel tank it
> >> looked like tar!!! Can you do me a favor can you send me a link to
> >> your restoration site, for some reason I can not find it, those
> >> photos are very helpful. Also,  what spraypaint do you use on these
> >> motors that is a good match. Thanks again for your time. I will
> >> e-mail pictures when done so you can check it out.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jul 14 05:50:22 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:50:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wico mag on pig(let)
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV23A26ECA0D824823CA26DBBBD10@phx.gbl>

  Howdy all..little warm here lately, but the nights are kewl.

   Question please.  Is the Wico mag (on the pig and lets:-)) an "impulse" 
type mag?  I would think so being plug fired, but thot I'd ask.

   And any clue why ours won't "impulse?"  relative easy fix??

  This one Corky got (a piglet) definetly has the red flywheel and gray main 
castings, etc...  These are not all that common, correct???

   Anyone got a paint code for the gray?

TIA
RickinMt. 


From jnyost at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 14 05:51:23 2005
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:51:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Larger Propane Tank
In-Reply-To: <1120829329.42ce7f919c297@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050714125123.16787.qmail@web40623.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey Arnie,

Little late to reply but putor has been sick at home
and been sooooooooooooooooo busy at work I ain't takin
time to look at emails. 

If I were you I would get a 100# used tank and hide it
some how like in a wood barrel or something. I think I
have seen a Red Reid with a system like that. HA!HA!

Jim


--- fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

> Hiya Folks,
> 
> I currently have a couple of the barbeque grill size
> propane tanks (~20 lb.?)
> that I'll be using for my 15 hp Bessemer half-breed;
> one for the hot tube and
> one for the engine.
> 
> I'd really like to get a larger one for running the
> engine.  What's the next
> "logical" size (50 lb.?) and where does one buy one?
>  The smaller sizes are
> available everywhere, but I don't recall seeing any
> of the larger ones.
> 
> Can you get them refilled at a "normal" propane
> refilling station?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> PS - I should be picking up the cylinder & piston
> this weekend so barking time
> isn't far away!!!
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


Jim and Janna Yost
Utica, Ohio
USA
jnyost at yahoo.com


		
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jul 14 05:59:59 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:59:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] IHC photo
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV46729DDAB3014042E65F7BBD10@phx.gbl>

Nice IHC display photo here.  Would swag the log cabin is made out of bale 
twine rolls and what is the machine in the back,, up against the wall?? 
seed cleaner/sorter

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7168409120

usual disclaimer
RickinMt. 


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jul 14 06:18:32 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:18:32 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump packing material
In-Reply-To: <071420051019.24601.42D63C4B000C86930000601921979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <071420051019.24601.42D63C4B000C86930000601921979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605071406186cf89f5f@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/14/05, cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> Some time ago I posted a similar request and found out from a old steamengine
> man that Telfon packing rope is the best there is.  Found it with alot of help
> from fellow list members thru McMaster Carr sources.  It isn't cheap, but
> works very very well.  I rebuild my 1905 Stover 5hp upright with it. The fuel
> pump works better then it ever did with the orginal stuff.  If you want some
> of these stuff I had to buy a full roll to get it and would sell you what you
> need.
> contact me off list,
> Curt Andree
> 
> 

By one of those coincidences that we often come across,  I was given a
new packet of Graphited PTFE packing this morning, made by James
Walker and sold as 'Flougraf' packing. One of our electronics
suppliers had bought a load of surplus stuff and this unopened pack
was in the shipment.

It is 3mm (1/8") diameter, and we can cut you a piece off the roll and
post it to you if that size is OK.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jul 14 06:46:33 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:46:33 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fuel Pump Packing
References: <002c01c5886d$7cfe98c0$afcc940c@mcness.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV21A7A78E5ABF832C39145EBBD10@phx.gbl>

Would someone PLEASE post a McMaster-Carr p/n for fuel pump packing from 
McMaster-Carr.  This ole brain cannot sort out the bazillion different kinds 
of packings, they list.

Thanks much
RickinMt.








----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe & Jewel Maurer" <toadhill at aeroinc.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 6:13 AM
Subject: [SEL] Fuel Pump Packing


To Mike Tucker,

Would recommend solid teflon packing.  It comes in large sizes and makes 
excellent packing with very little drag required to make a good seal. 
McMaster Carr Co. carries the packing.  Curt Andree got some for all of us 
and I packed his Stover pump with it.  Curt has the actual page of the 
catalog.  The old rope type packings are very poor for worn fuel pumps.

Regards,
Joe Maurer
Toadhill Farm
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Jul 14 06:52:58 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:52:58 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Wico mag on pig(let)
References: <BAY5-DAV23A26ECA0D824823CA26DBBBD10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000901c5887b$5b627020$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hi Rick,
Sunny and warm here too, do some lathe work in shorts.
At this address you can find your maggy ;
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Pigmag.jpg

I think your impuls spring is broken, that's mostly the trouble.

A gray engine with red flywheel is before 1939.
Paint codes are Dupont 98620 or 6923 gray.

The "machine" in the background seems to me a cooling tower
of a portable International engine, ( warm bum in the winter ).

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



>   Howdy all..little warm here lately, but the nights are kewl.
> 
>    Question please.  Is the Wico mag (on the pig and lets:-)) an "impulse" 
> type mag?  I would think so being plug fired, but thot I'd ask.
> 
>    And any clue why ours won't "impulse?"  relative easy fix??
> 
>   This one Corky got (a piglet) definetly has the red flywheel and gray main 
> castings, etc...  These are not all that common, correct???
> 
>    Anyone got a paint code for the gray?
> 
> TIA
> RickinMt. 




From andyglines at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 14 06:57:15 2005
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:57:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RE: Paint and primer 
In-Reply-To: <200507141000.j6EA09cI004273@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F22FE1E55078948C90AE84FC7D10@phx.gbl>

>Message: 16
>Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:01:21 -0600
>From: Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>
>Subject: [SEL] Paint and primer
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Cc: Oldengine list <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Message-ID: <42D5B961.50301 at earthlink.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Hi all,
>
>Been giving this thought for quite some time and now time to ask
>opinions. When you paint an engine do you prime it first or just shoot
>the color? If you prime it why? I shot the Maytag with no primer and
>it's fine. Thinking of the same for the Sattley.
>
>I have built many auto engines and never primed them. Spray can engine
>enamel over bare metal. Last one of mine had 75,000 plus with no paint
>issues. Thoughts and comments welcome.
>
>Jeff Allen
>Arvada, 98 degrees at 6 P.M., Colorado
>
I'm going to recommend that you use the primer before.  I usually use rather 
expensixe automotive finishes because of their shine and durability.  I 
learned a hard lesson when painting my (ahem....) tractor.  I had an area of 
clean cast iron to paint so I did.  The iron on casting acted like a sponge 
and my paint soaked in, looked terrible.  I had to recoat the casting 
several times before I got a good finish and this stuff is expensive.  I'm 
convinced that using primer would have sealed the area somewhat and my color 
would not have "soaked in"  thus saving me a lot of time and money.




From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Thu Jul 14 07:05:31 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 00:05:31 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
References: <20050710142210.ZPCW19806.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20050714221331.00b277a0@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <008a01c5887d$1e2778c0$e7a7ecdc@morris>

G'day Russell

Look to me like a M Virtue ?


Kerry



> Patrick do you recall what carbie was on the Richard Hornsby engine on 
> page one??
> Russell



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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jul 14 07:17:50 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 00:17:50 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050714221331.00b277a0@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <20050714141750.YTYB20351.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Hi Russell,
	I think it is one of the French ones (the name escapes me at the
moment). I can find out as that engine actually comes from Sydney (Paul will
know).

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----




From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jul 14 07:39:05 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:39:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Paint and primer, and Rhino liner
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV185CBB79B849F273BE9BB4BBD10@phx.gbl>
References: <42D5B961.50301@earthlink.net> <42D65246.2060802@imc-group.com>
	<BAY5-DAV185CBB79B849F273BE9BB4BBD10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42D67909.3000507@imc-group.com>

Rick,
The Rhino liner seems to be holding up well so far. No problems with 
rocks sticking in it. Maybe it is a harder product???....
Curt

Richard Strobel wrote:

>Just for experimenting and evaluating, I didn't prime Kathy's pump and jack 
>lawn ornament.  So far, so good, but it doesn't get moved, but has to bear 
>the Montana elements 24/7/365.  I'll take a good look at it today.
>
>   Corky's brother who used to paint cars for a living says that in our 
>hobby, priming is not necessary....but I have primed all the engine parts up 
>to date.
>
>  Curt, how do you like the Rhino liner on the wheel faces?  I've used a 
>similiar product and when it gets rolled on the 3/4" gravel driveway, the 
>gravel sticks to the wheel faces...not good when the transition to concrete 
>comes around.
>
>
>  
>



From mullt at att.net  Thu Jul 14 08:06:08 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:06:08 +0000
Subject: [SEL] RE: Paint and primer 
Message-ID: <071420051506.2097.42D67F5F000383F00000083121602807489B04049A03@att.net>

I have heard that clear shellac can be used as an inexpensive sealer before painting. Any body had any experience with that?

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Andy Glines" <andyglines at hotmail.com>
> >Message: 16
> >Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:01:21 -0600
> >From: Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>
> >Subject: [SEL] Paint and primer
> >To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Cc: Oldengine list <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> >Message-ID: <42D5B961.50301 at earthlink.net>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> >Hi all,
> >
> >Been giving this thought for quite some time and now time to ask
> >opinions. When you paint an engine do you prime it first or just shoot
> >the color? If you prime it why? I shot the Maytag with no primer and
> >it's fine. Thinking of the same for the Sattley.
> >
> >I have built many auto engines and never primed them. Spray can engine
> >enamel over bare metal. Last one of mine had 75,000 plus with no paint
> >issues. Thoughts and comments welcome.
> >
> >Jeff Allen
> >Arvada, 98 degrees at 6 P.M., Colorado
> >
> I'm going to recommend that you use the primer before.  I usually use rather 
> expensixe automotive finishes because of their shine and durability.  I 
> learned a hard lesson when painting my (ahem....) tractor.  I had an area of 
> clean cast iron to paint so I did.  The iron on casting acted like a sponge 
> and my paint soaked in, looked terrible.  I had to recoat the casting 
> several times before I got a good finish and this stuff is expensive.  I'm 
> convinced that using primer would have sealed the area somewhat and my color 
> would not have "soaked in"  thus saving me a lot of time and money.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From mtucker at uky.edu  Thu Jul 14 09:16:55 2005
From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:16:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump packing material-  THANKS!
In-Reply-To: <071420051019.24601.42D63C4B000C86930000601921979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mch
	si.com>
References: <071420051019.24601.42D63C4B000C86930000601921979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mch
	si.com>
Message-ID: <p06210203befc40275dd8@[128.163.81.76]>

Howdy all,

Thanks for all of the input on my questions about my Famous fuel 
pump!  You folks are full of great information.

Mike
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jul 14 12:34:24 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:34:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Follow-up to Hornsby-Akroyd Piston Question
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507141529220.29748@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

I received this reply from Ray Hooley regarding my question of a week or
so ago.  So if one has a piston with the removable lands feature, it's an
early one and thus probably quite rare.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:30:51 +0100
From: rehooley at tiscali.co.uk
To: fero_ah at city-net.com
Subject: RE: Fwd: [SEL] Hornsby-Akroyd Question

Hello Arnie.  Yes, I am familiar with the use of removable piston lands.
Hornsbys used them for a period in the early development of the Hornsby-Akroyd
engines.  It was a convenient way of varying the compression until they had
found the optimum - then they would produce a one-piece piston. I have drawings
of the various designs that they experimented with.  Regards, Ray Hooley.



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jul 14 13:53:59 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:53:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Re: [OFES] Larger Propane Tank
In-Reply-To: <1120829329.42ce7f919c297@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1120829329.42ce7f919c297@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507141650280.29748@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Thanks to everyone who provided advice and stories of what worked and what
didn't regarding propane tanks for gas supplies for oilfield engines.
I'll be going shopping over the next couple of weeks and will report back
on my success.  Thanks again!!  It is really appreciated.

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

> I currently have a couple of the barbeque grill size propane tanks (~20 lb.?)
> that I'll be using for my 10 hp Bessemer half-breed; one for the hot
> tube and one for the engine.
>
> I'd really like to get a larger one for running the engine.  What's the next
> "logical" size (50 lb.?) and where does one buy one?  The smaller sizes are
> available everywhere, but I don't recall seeing any of the larger ones.



From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jul 14 14:16:09 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:16:09 EDT
Subject: [SEL] IHC photo
Message-ID: <1fb.c892f56.30083019@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/14/2005 9:25:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

<< what is the machine in the back,, up against the wall?? 
 seed cleaner/sorter >>


Rick,

It appears to be another International engine, tray cooled, on wagon with 
high rise seat and foot rest.  If you have the 150 Years of IH book, check pg 113.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Jul 14 15:56:48 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:56:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] RE: Follow-up to Hornsby-Akroyd Piston Question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507141529220.29748@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <200507142257.j6EMvDCa000295@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


> I received this reply from Ray Hooley regarding my question 
> of a week or so ago.  So if one has a piston with the removable 
> lands feature, it's an early one and thus probably quite rare.

Hi Arnie,
Thanks for clarifying that.  Now we all know that if we find a Hornsby Akroyd
with removeable lands, that it is a rare and desireable engine as opposed to
those piece of shit  Hornsby Akroyds with the fixed piston.

Rob





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jul 14 20:54:49 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:54:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RE: Follow-up to Hornsby-Akroyd Piston Question
In-Reply-To: <200507142257.j6EMvDCa000295@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200507142257.j6EMvDCa000295@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <1121399689.42d73389c1e59@webmail.city-net.com>

Gee, anybody wanna guess who has a dog shit (one on every corner) plain piston
Hornsby-Akroyd?  Bummer, man!  Tell ya wot I'm gonna do.  As Slick Willey would
have said; "I feel your pain!"

And since I've caused you SUCH distress, I feel it only fair to relieve your
pain.  I'll take that common scrufty Hornsby-Akroyd off your hands.  And not
for scrap price, or even DOUBLE scrap price.  I'll go WAY OUT THERE and offer
you TRIPLE scrap price!!!!  Such a deal, and ONLY because you're such a GOOD
friend!!  BUT, I do expect that you'll deliver it to Portland for that money!

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>:

> > I received this reply from Ray Hooley regarding my question 
> > of a week or so ago.  So if one has a piston with the removable 
> > lands feature, it's an early one and thus probably quite rare.
> 
> Hi Arnie,
> Thanks for clarifying that.  Now we all know that if we find a Hornsby
> Akroyd with removeable lands, that it is a rare and desireable engine
> as opposed to those piece of shit  Hornsby Akroyds with the fixed piston.



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Fri Jul 15 00:58:10 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:58:10 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
References: <20050714141750.YTYB20351.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <006201c58912$f18c2f40$e7a7ecdc@morris>

G'Day Patrick

The French carby used on these engines is a Lonquemare but I think Russell 
is saying that the carby on the engine is not one of these.
Hard to tell from the photo but to me it looks much like the style used on 
MV's see the horrible coloured one on your page.
What do you think

Kerry


> Hi Russell,
> I think it is one of the French ones (the name escapes me at the
> moment). I can find out as that engine actually comes from Sydney (Paul 
> will
> know).
>



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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jul 15 01:34:57 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:34:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050714221331.00b277a0@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <20050715083455.DVOQ20351.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Hi Russell,
	After a quick phone call I have confirmed that it is actually a M-V
carby and not the correct French one. Apparently it runs a lot better on the
M-V carby.
I did not pay a lot of attention to the engine as if it is English and not a
Blackstone I am not interested ;)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----
Patrick do you recall what carbie was on the Richard Hornsby engine on page 
one??
Russell





From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Jul 15 04:56:23 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:56:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
In-Reply-To: <20050715083455.DVOQ20351.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050714221331.00b277a0@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050715215115.00b3c958@mail.ncable.com.au>

Oh dear Patrick, I will remember this next time you have the oportunity to 
purchase a quality Hornsby engine :-)  It sounds pretty odd for a hornsby 
to run better off the MV carby. Perhaps us Hornsby owners should throw our 
lovely brass Lonquemare carbies to the shit house and put a rare MV on. 
Just imagin what would happen to the price of all the little MV's kicking 
about the vast waste land.
  Russell



At 06:34 PM 15/07/2005 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Russell,
>         After a quick phone call I have confirmed that it is actually a M-V
>carby and not the correct French one. Apparently it runs a lot better on the
>M-V carby.
>I did not pay a lot of attention to the engine as if it is English and not a
>Blackstone I am not interested ;)
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>-----Original Message-----
>Patrick do you recall what carbie was on the Richard Hornsby engine on page
>one??
>Russell
>
>
>
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Jul 15 05:15:28 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:15:28 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050715215115.00b3c958@mail.ncable.com.au>
References: <20050715083455.DVOQ20351.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20050714221331.00b277a0@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050715221439.02c28358@mail.ncable.com.au>


>Hang onto your hats boys, A RARE carby on ebay

Item number: 7335246661



Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jul 15 05:18:36 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:18:36 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050715215115.00b3c958@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <20050715121834.HAON23311.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I think you may be better off to keep your brass Lonquemare carby and throw
the engine away. 
My source who told me they run better on the M-V carby has more Hornsbys
than common sense, you can guess who I mean and you can take it up with him
;)
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----
Oh dear Patrick, I will remember this next time you have the oportunity to 
purchase a quality Hornsby engine :-)  It sounds pretty odd for a hornsby 
to run better off the MV carby. Perhaps us Hornsby owners should throw our 
lovely brass Lonquemare carbies to the shit house and put a rare MV on. 
Just imagin what would happen to the price of all the little MV's kicking 
about the vast waste land.
  Russell





From mickc at vic.australis.com.au  Fri Jul 15 05:32:21 2005
From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:32:21 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
References: <20050715121834.HAON23311.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <003601c58939$4015f850$36af57ca@n>

Hey Patrick
I know Brock likes his moffats as well but dont tell that the carbys are 
rare other wise Edd will never get any of Brocks engines, especially trhe 
gold plated ones!!
   Cheers
         Mick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:18 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Timbertown


>I think you may be better off to keep your brass Lonquemare carby and throw
> the engine away.
> My source who told me they run better on the M-V carby has more Hornsbys
> than common sense, you can guess who I mean and you can take it up with 
> him
> ;)
> Patrick
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Oh dear Patrick, I will remember this next time you have the oportunity to
> purchase a quality Hornsby engine :-)  It sounds pretty odd for a hornsby
> to run better off the MV carby. Perhaps us Hornsby owners should throw our
> lovely brass Lonquemare carbies to the shit house and put a rare MV on.
> Just imagin what would happen to the price of all the little MV's kicking
> about the vast waste land.
>  Russell
>
>
>
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From andyglines at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 15 06:04:58 2005
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:04:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RE: Paint and primer
In-Reply-To: <200507151000.j6FA0Anq018573@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F2075DBE54E8722DADB87A2C7D00@phx.gbl>

>Message: 17
>Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:06:08 +0000
>From: mullt at att.net
>Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Paint and primer
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>

>
>I have heard that clear shellac can be used as an inexpensive sealer before 
>painting. Any body had any experience with that?

That depends on the kind of paint that you will be putting on top of it.  
The PPG Delstar that I use would probably lift if applied over a shellac.  I 
suspect that the popular Dupont Imron will have the same problem.  Just 
follow the directions that come with the paint.  Makers like Dupont and PPG 
have very thorough instructions that tell you what you can & can't paint 
over.  In general, the more expensive the paint the more particular it is 
about the surface it will be applied to.  You do not have to use very 
expensive epoxy primers to get good results for your top coat.  I typically 
use a rather generic lower cost gray primer on my stuff.  Available a 
automotive paint and supply stores.  I also use the cheap lacquer thinner 
for the primer and for clean up.




From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jul 15 08:08:22 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:08:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RE: Paint and primer
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F2075DBE54E8722DADB87A2C7D00@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY104-F2075DBE54E8722DADB87A2C7D00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42D7D166.3010209@imc-group.com>

Andy Glines wrote:

>>
>> I have heard that clear shellac can be used as an inexpensive sealer 
>> before painting. Any body had any experience with that?
>
>
> That depends on the kind of paint that you will be putting on top of 
> it.  The PPG Delstar that I use would probably lift if applied over a 
> shellac.  I suspect that the popular Dupont Imron will have the same 
> problem.  Just follow the directions that come with the paint.  Makers 
> like Dupont and PPG have very thorough instructions that tell you what 
> you can & can't paint over.  In general, the more expensive the paint 
> the more particular it is about the surface it will be applied to.  
> You do not have to use very expensive epoxy primers to get good 
> results for your top coat.  I typically use a rather generic lower 
> cost gray primer on my stuff.  Available a automotive paint and supply 
> stores.  I also use the cheap lacquer thinner for the primer and for 
> clean up.

Andy,
Like the shellac, any solvent based primer is going to lift even under 
the best 2 part top coats if a solvent like gasoline spends much time on 
the paint. For years I used lacquer based primer surfacers on both 
automotive finishes and engines. These were top coated with Dupont 
Imron. This combination works fine on automobile finishes because you 
rarely have scratches/chips combined with the presence of gasoline. On 
engines it is a different story. This is why I have finally made the 
switch to 2 part primers. This way the primer is as inert to the 
gasoline as is the top coat. Nothing other than sand blasting will lift 
the paint on an engine/tractor painted with 2 part primer and then 2 
part color coat.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From mullt at att.net  Fri Jul 15 12:07:47 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:07:47 +0000
Subject: [SEL] RE: Paint and primer
Message-ID: <071520051907.10029.42D809820008791E0000272D21603763169B04049A03@att.net>

Sooo....if you are like me and you screw the paint job up when you are spraying it on, the only way to fix the screw up is to sand blast it off and start over.

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
> Andy Glines wrote:
> 
> >>
> >> I have heard that clear shellac can be used as an inexpensive sealer 
> >> before painting. Any body had any experience with that?
> >
> >
> > That depends on the kind of paint that you will be putting on top of 
> > it.  The PPG Delstar that I use would probably lift if applied over a 
> > shellac.  I suspect that the popular Dupont Imron will have the same 
> > problem.  Just follow the directions that come with the paint.  Makers 
> > like Dupont and PPG have very thorough instructions that tell you what 
> > you can & can't paint over.  In general, the more expensive the paint 
> > the more particular it is about the surface it will be applied to.  
> > You do not have to use very expensive epoxy primers to get good 
> > results for your top coat.  I typically use a rather generic lower 
> > cost gray primer on my stuff.  Available a automotive paint and supply 
> > stores.  I also use the cheap lacquer thinner for the primer and for 
> > clean up.
> 
> Andy,
> Like the shellac, any solvent based primer is going to lift even under 
> the best 2 part top coats if a solvent like gasoline spends much time on 
> the paint. For years I used lacquer based primer surfacers on both 
> automotive finishes and engines. These were top coated with Dupont 
> Imron. This combination works fine on automobile finishes because you 
> rarely have scratches/chips combined with the presence of gasoline. On 
> engines it is a different story. This is why I have finally made the 
> switch to 2 part primers. This way the primer is as inert to the 
> gasoline as is the top coat. Nothing other than sand blasting will lift 
> the paint on an engine/tractor painted with 2 part primer and then 2 
> part color coat.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Jul 15 21:27:27 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:27:27
Subject: [SEL] Cloth covered ignition wire
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050715212727.009ca008@127.0.0.1>

Hello the List,
	Can anyone give me another source of "woven cotton jacket" ignition wire
as supplied by Lee.W.Pedersen. I would buy from him with pleasure but he
does not accept credit cards and that would be the easiest for me to use
from South Africa. (Paypal also does not recognise South Africa).
	I do not need much - maybe 10' of each of a few colours.
	
	
	
Best regards
Jerry Evans.
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From nick at holden1.net  Fri Jul 15 12:37:07 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:37:07 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] portland
Message-ID: <42D81063.000003.03124@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Hi i am trying to plan a trip over to Portland if i can get the
time off work what is the best / closest airport to fly to 
from the UK 
 
nick
 
 
Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden



From tsmith at hal-pc.org  Fri Jul 15 12:54:11 2005
From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:54:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cloth covered ignition wire
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20050715212727.009ca008@127.0.0.1>
References: <3.0.6.32.20050715212727.009ca008@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <web-181830427@mail.hal-pc.org>

Jerry,
You might try:

The Brillman Company
2328 Pepper Rd.
Mt. Jackson, VA 22842-2445

Sorry, I don't have the email address but they are one of the ad 
supporters on Enginads.com

Have a nice weekend,
tom


On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:27:27
  Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:
> Hello the List,
> 	Can anyone give me another source of "woven cotton jacket" ignition 
>wire
> as supplied by Lee.W.Pedersen. I would buy from him with pleasure 
>but he
> does not accept credit cards and that would be the easiest for me to 
>use
> from South Africa. (Paypal also does not recognise South Africa).
> 	I do not need much - maybe 10' of each of a few colours.
> 	
> 	
> 	
> Best regards
> Jerry Evans.
> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery
> 
> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery   ----- The lower cost Data 
>Recovery
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> We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus 
>attack
> / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or 
>Partition Loss
> (FDISK).
> We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes.
> Visit our site:
> http://www.databak.co.za
> Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191
> Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787
> eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za
> Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa
> 
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From nick at holden1.net  Fri Jul 15 12:56:09 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:56:09 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] Cloth covered ignition wire
References: <3.0.6.32.20050715212727.009ca008@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <42D814D9.000001.03368@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Hi jerry you could try this
 http://www.vintagewiringofmaine.com/    or
http://www.magnetoparts.com/index.html   this

nick


 
Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
 nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Jerry Evans
Date: 07/15/05 20:38:49
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Cloth covered ignition wire
 
Hello the List,
  Can anyone give me another source of "woven cotton jacket" ignition wire
as supplied by Lee.W.Pedersen. I would buy from him with pleasure but he
does not accept credit cards and that would be the easiest for me to use
from South Africa. (Paypal also does not recognise South Africa).
  I do not need much - maybe 10' of each of a few colours.
 
 
 
Best regards
Jerry Evans.
Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery
 
Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery   ----- The lower cost Data Recovery
Alternative !
We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack
/ Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss
(FDISK).
We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes.
Visit our site:
http://www.databak.co.za
Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191
Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787
eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za
Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa
 
 
 
 
 
 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 15 13:00:15 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:00:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] portland
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On 7/15/05, nick <nick at holden1.net> wrote:
> Hi i am trying to plan a trip over to Portland if i can get the
> time off work what is the best / closest airport to fly to
> from the UK
> 
> nick
> 

Fort Wayne (FWA)

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 15 13:02:41 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:02:41 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Cloth covered ignition wire
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20050715212727.009ca008@127.0.0.1>
References: <3.0.6.32.20050715212727.009ca008@127.0.0.1>
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:27:27, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:
> Hello the List,
>         Can anyone give me another source of "woven cotton jacket" ignition wire
> as supplied by Lee.W.Pedersen. I would buy from him with pleasure but he
> does not accept credit cards and that would be the easiest for me to use
> from South Africa. (Paypal also does not recognise South Africa).
>         I do not need much - maybe 10' of each of a few colours.
> Best regards
> Jerry Evans.
> 

Send cash, it's just as easy and we do it a lot for things we buy
where we cannot use CC or PayPal. You should be able to send it
Recorded Delivery or 'Signed For', it costs a few sheckels more but it
works fine.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 15 13:04:57 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:04:57 +0100
Subject: [SEL] portland
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605071513001d78168c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <42D81063.000003.03124@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
	<6f60251605071513001d78168c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605071513047f4703fa@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/15/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/15/05, nick <nick at holden1.net> wrote:
> > Hi i am trying to plan a trip over to Portland if i can get the
> > time off work what is the best / closest airport to fly to
> > from the UK
> >
> > nick
> >
> 
> Fort Wayne (FWA)
> 
> Peter

Heathrow/Chicago/Fort Wayne
Heathrow/Detroit/Fort Wayne

You cannot get a direct flight into FWA from the UK, you have to
change at one of the big hubs first.

American and Northwest both fly daily, gonna be expensive at short
notice though, we booked ours back in February....

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From klpbessemer at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 15 13:20:36 2005
From: klpbessemer at earthlink.net (Kent)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:20:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland
In-Reply-To: <42D81063.000003.03124@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
Message-ID: <200507152021.j6FKLZvv018206@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Nick,

Fort Wayne, Indiana-50 miles; Dayton, Ohio-85 miles; Indianapolis,
Indiana-106 miles, all three airports are similar in size and service.
Cincinnati, Ohio is 156 miles, but it is a much larger airport and may be
better suited for international flights.

I use Fort Wayne once or twice a month for business travel and find it
adequate for flights within the US.

Kent Park
Bluffton, Indiana


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of nick
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 2:37 PM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] portland

Hi i am trying to plan a trip over to Portland if i can get the
time off work what is the best / closest airport to fly to 
from the UK 
 
nick
 
 
Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden

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From mmco at cox-internet.com  Fri Jul 15 13:26:26 2005
From: mmco at cox-internet.com (Bo)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:26:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cloth covered ignition wire
References: <3.0.6.32.20050715212727.009ca008@127.0.0.1>
	<web-181830427@mail.hal-pc.org>
Message-ID: <000801c5897b$7a1b0120$bda7e244@bo8c0f983ca9d7>

When you say ignition wire , are you wanting high tension wire or a # 12 or 
14 wire for 6 or 12 volts .
Let me know which one and I will roll you off some and send it .

Bo Hinch




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Smith" <tsmith at hal-pc.org>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cloth covered ignition wire


Jerry,
You might try:

The Brillman Company
2328 Pepper Rd.
Mt. Jackson, VA 22842-2445

Sorry, I don't have the email address but they are one of the ad
supporters on Enginads.com

Have a nice weekend,
tom


On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:27:27
  Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:
> Hello the List,
> Can anyone give me another source of "woven cotton jacket" ignition
>wire
> as supplied by Lee.W.Pedersen. I would buy from him with pleasure
>but he
> does not accept credit cards and that would be the easiest for me to
>use
> from South Africa. (Paypal also does not recognise South Africa).
> I do not need much - maybe 10' of each of a few colours.
>
>
>
> Best regards
> Jerry Evans.
> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery
>
> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery   ----- The lower cost Data
>Recovery
> Alternative !
> We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus
>attack
> / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or
>Partition Loss
> (FDISK).
> We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes.
> Visit our site:
> http://www.databak.co.za
> Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191
> Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787
> eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za
> Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jul 15 13:48:23 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:48:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wico mag on pig(let)
References: <BAY5-DAV23A26ECA0D824823CA26DBBBD10@phx.gbl>
	<000901c5887b$5b627020$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV6B60ECC5547D4D49FA521BBD00@phx.gbl>

Thank you John..as usual YOU DA MAN!!!!

Take Care,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Wico mag on pig(let)


> Hi Rick,
> Sunny and warm here too, do some lathe work in shorts.
> At this address you can find your maggy ;
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Pigmag.jpg
>
> I think your impuls spring is broken, that's mostly the trouble.
>
> A gray engine with red flywheel is before 1939.
> Paint codes are Dupont 98620 or 6923 gray.
>
> The "machine" in the background seems to me a cooling tower
> of a portable International engine, ( warm bum in the winter ).
>
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
>
>
>
> >   Howdy all..little warm here lately, but the nights are kewl.
> >
> >    Question please.  Is the Wico mag (on the pig and lets:-)) an 
> > "impulse"
> > type mag?  I would think so being plug fired, but thot I'd ask.
> >
> >    And any clue why ours won't "impulse?"  relative easy fix??
> >
> >   This one Corky got (a piglet) definetly has the red flywheel and gray 
> > main
> > castings, etc...  These are not all that common, correct???
> >
> >    Anyone got a paint code for the gray?
> >
> > TIA
> > RickinMt.
>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jul 15 14:13:10 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:13:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] portland
In-Reply-To: <42D81063.000003.03124@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
References: <42D81063.000003.03124@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507151624130.45534@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Nick,

I think your best bet is to fly into Chicago, Illinois.  From there you
could either rent a car and drive to Portland, Indiana or get a commuter
flight to Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, or possibly Muncie.  But I'd bet that
airport waiting time plus the flight would be about the same as just
driving.  You should also check on motel availability before booking your
travel.  The best bets are to stay in Decatur, IN (north of Portland) or
in Muncie, IN (SW of Portland).

Looking forward to seeing you at Portland!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, nick wrote:

> Hi i am trying to plan a trip over to Portland if i can get the
> time off work what is the best / closest airport to fly to
> from the UK


From oldengin at udata.com  Fri Jul 15 14:23:23 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:23:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cloth covered ignition wire
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20050715212727.009ca008@127.0.0.1>
References: <3.0.6.32.20050715212727.009ca008@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <42D8294B.1080807@udata.com>

Jerry Evans wrote:

>Hello the List,
>	Can anyone give me another source of "woven cotton jacket" ignition wire
>as supplied by Lee.W.Pedersen. I would buy from him with pleasure but he
>does not accept credit cards and that would be the easiest for me to use
>from South Africa. (Paypal also does not recognise South Africa).
>	I do not need much - maybe 10' of each of a few colours.
>	
>	
>	
>Best regards
>Jerry Evans.
>Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery
>
>Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery   ----- The lower cost Data Recovery
>Alternative !
>We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack
>/ Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss
>(FDISK).
>We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes.
>Visit our site:
>http://www.databak.co.za
>Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191
>Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787
>eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za
>Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
On our list is a fellow named Dave Reed. Otto Engine Works, try him....  
(One of the good guys)

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jul 15 14:48:27 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:48:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Cloth covered ignition wire
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20050715212727.009ca008@127.0.0.1>
References: <3.0.6.32.20050715212727.009ca008@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507151744200.45534@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Jerry,

Starbolt carries it and takes orders over the phone and happily accepts
credit cards.

His contact info can be found on Harry's Suppliers page.
http://www.enginads.com/bizcards.shtml

Hit & Miss probably also carries the wire.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, Jerry Evans wrote:

> 	Can anyone give me another source of "woven cotton jacket" ignition wire
> as supplied by Lee.W.Pedersen. I would buy from him with pleasure but he
> does not accept credit cards and that would be the easiest for me to use
> from South Africa. (Paypal also does not recognise South Africa).
> 	I do not need much - maybe 10' of each of a few colours.


From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Fri Jul 15 16:16:42 2005
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:16:42 +0100
Subject: [SEL] portland
References: <42D81063.000003.03124@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
Message-ID: <006801c58993$518e3840$55842f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi , Nick ,
        Last year when we were over at Portland we stayed at BLUFFTON which 
is about a 30 minute drive from Portland but it was booked in Febuary . From 
memory you could be struggling to get accomidation  anywhere near Portland 
this
                        Regards   Craig   ,  from Scotland
P.S Beware of the school childern and the questionarie , especiaqlly if you 
are not from Indiana ,ie ; from the U.K
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "nick" <nick at holden1.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 8:37 PM
Subject: [SEL] portland


> Hi i am trying to plan a trip over to Portland if i can get the
> time off work what is the best / closest airport to fly to
> from the UK
>
> nick
>
>
> Nick Holden
> Banbury
> Oxfordshire (UK)
> nick at holden1.net
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jul 15 16:45:10 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:45:10 +1000
Subject: [SEL] portland
References: <42D81063.000003.03124@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
Message-ID: <00a901c58997$3e683190$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I suggest you book now for NEXT year!
Then we can meet up as well! <G>
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "nick" <nick at holden1.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 5:37 AM
Subject: [SEL] portland


> Hi i am trying to plan a trip over to Portland if i can get the
> time off work what is the best / closest airport to fly to 
> from the UK 
> 
> nick
> 
> 
> Nick Holden
> Banbury
> Oxfordshire (UK)
> nick at holden1.net
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
> 
> _______________________________________________
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>



From bmvid at snet.net  Fri Jul 15 18:16:06 2005
From: bmvid at snet.net (Mick DeMaria)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:16:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Quinibog, Colchester CT
Message-ID: <42D85FD6.2060807@snet.net>

  Any list members going to the QVEA show at Zagray Farms in Colchester 
CT his weekend??
   http://www.qvea.org/qvea_frames.asp
   Mick


From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jul 15 19:03:41 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:03:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] portland
In-Reply-To: <00a901c58997$3e683190$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <42D81063.000003.03124@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
	<00a901c58997$3e683190$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050715220156.03d00138@mail.alltel.net>


>>Hi i am trying to plan a trip over to Portland if i can get the
>>time off work what is the best / closest airport to fly to from the UK
>>nick
>>
>>Nick Holden

Hi Nick, I think that Portland has an airport. it's about 2 miles from the 
show grounds. Steve Webre and his son flew in there several years ago.
         Dave  



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Jul 15 19:06:43 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:06:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] portland
In-Reply-To: <42D81063.000003.03124@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
Message-ID: <200507160206.j6G26lx8006332@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

> Hi i am trying to plan a trip over to Portland if i can get the
> time off work what is the best / closest airport to fly to 
> from the UK 


Hiya Nick!  

Don't "try." 

"Do."

Kelley and I have flown into Fort Wayne, which is a short drive to Portland, but
involves an extra connector flight.  Indianappolis is a about an hour's drive
longer, but we can fly there in less time.  

Hope to see you in a few weeks.
Rob




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jul 15 21:56:41 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:56:41 +1000
Subject: [SEL] BYB
Message-ID: <015f01c589c3$d88610e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Help please. I have a mate who wants to buy a copy of the new BYB
What would be the emaol contact address or postal, whatever.
I can pay for him by US check if needed.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 15 22:59:14 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 06:59:14 +0100
Subject: [SEL] portland
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507151624130.45534@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <42D81063.000003.03124@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0507151624130.45534@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605071522593f45ccb7@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/15/05, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> Hi Nick,
> 
> I think your best bet is to fly into Chicago, Illinois.  From there you
> could either rent a car and drive to Portland, Indiana or get a commuter
> flight to Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, or possibly Muncie.  But I'd bet that
> airport waiting time plus the flight would be about the same as just
> driving.  You should also check on motel availability before booking your
> travel.  The best bets are to stay in Decatur, IN (north of Portland) or
> in Muncie, IN (SW of Portland).
> 
> Looking forward to seeing you at Portland!!
> 
> See ya,  Arnie

The Super8 in Muncie nearly always has rooms, the guy that runs it is
really helpful:

His contact details: 

vinaypatel21 at yahoo.com

Super8 Motel
3601 W. Foxridge Lane
Muncie, IN, 47304

001 765-286-4333

We normally call him to confirm what we have arranged the previous year...

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 15 23:46:43 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 07:46:43 +0100
Subject: [SEL] BYB
In-Reply-To: <015f01c589c3$d88610e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <015f01c589c3$d88610e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <6f60251605071523464538b164@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/16/05, R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
> Help please. I have a mate who wants to buy a copy of the new BYB
> What would be the emaol contact address or postal, whatever.
> I can pay for him by US check if needed.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.

At present, he only seems to be shipping to the USA, but we have
arranged with him to get a block order together for some to come to
the UK by media mail (M Bag)

The $50 price included mail to USA destinations only.

His email that we have been talking to him on is:  

pchazman at hotmail.com

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jul 16 00:12:27 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:12:27 +1000
Subject: [SEL] BYB
References: <015f01c589c3$d88610e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<6f60251605071523464538b164@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <017601c589d8$ce296dd0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Thanks Pete.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB


> On 7/16/05, R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
>> Help please. I have a mate who wants to buy a copy of the new BYB
>> What would be the emaol contact address or postal, whatever.
>> I can pay for him by US check if needed.
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> 
> At present, he only seems to be shipping to the USA, but we have
> arranged with him to get a block order together for some to come to
> the UK by media mail (M Bag)
> 
> The $50 price included mail to USA destinations only.
> 
> His email that we have been talking to him on is:  
> 
> pchazman at hotmail.com
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> 
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sat Jul 16 05:39:53 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:39:53 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Portland
References: <200507152021.j6FKLZvv018206@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <002101c58a03$783b14c0$7485dccb@oemcomputer>

On my first visit to Portland I went to Chicargo then a domestic flight to
Fort Wayne.Then picked up a rental car at Fort Wayne and drove to
Portland.This was all organised by a travel agent and it worked
great.Driving on the wrong side of the road for the first time was different
but soon got the hang of it.All my flights were on United including the Fort
Wayne leg.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent" <klpbessemer at earthlink.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 6:20
Subject: RE: [SEL] Portland


> Nick,
>
> Fort Wayne, Indiana-50 miles; Dayton, Ohio-85 miles; Indianapolis,
> Indiana-106 miles, all three airports are similar in size and service.
> Cincinnati, Ohio is 156 miles, but it is a much larger airport and may be
> better suited for international flights.
>
> I use Fort Wayne once or twice a month for business travel and find it
> adequate for flights within the US.
>
> Kent Park
> Bluffton, Indiana
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of nick
> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 2:37 PM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] portland
>
> Hi i am trying to plan a trip over to Portland if i can get the
> time off work what is the best / closest airport to fly to
> from the UK
>
> nick
>
>
> Nick Holden
> Banbury
> Oxfordshire (UK)
> nick at holden1.net
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sat Jul 16 05:41:55 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:41:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cloth covered ignition wire
References: <3.0.6.32.20050715212727.009ca008@127.0.0.1><web-181830427@mail.hal-pc.org>
	<000801c5897b$7a1b0120$bda7e244@bo8c0f983ca9d7>
Message-ID: <002701c58a03$c08c91e0$7485dccb@oemcomputer>

Starbolt engine supply's have what you want and they take credit cards
without any problems.They also send out real quick.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bo" <mmco at cox-internet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 6:26
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cloth covered ignition wire


> When you say ignition wire , are you wanting high tension wire or a # 12
or
> 14 wire for 6 or 12 volts .
> Let me know which one and I will roll you off some and send it .
>
> Bo Hinch
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Smith" <tsmith at hal-pc.org>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cloth covered ignition wire
>
>
> Jerry,
> You might try:
>
> The Brillman Company
> 2328 Pepper Rd.
> Mt. Jackson, VA 22842-2445
>
> Sorry, I don't have the email address but they are one of the ad
> supporters on Enginads.com
>
> Have a nice weekend,
> tom
>
>
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:27:27
>   Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:
> > Hello the List,
> > Can anyone give me another source of "woven cotton jacket" ignition
> >wire
> > as supplied by Lee.W.Pedersen. I would buy from him with pleasure
> >but he
> > does not accept credit cards and that would be the easiest for me to
> >use
> > from South Africa. (Paypal also does not recognise South Africa).
> > I do not need much - maybe 10' of each of a few colours.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best regards
> > Jerry Evans.
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From nick at holden1.net  Sat Jul 16 06:24:56 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:24:56 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] BYB
References: <015f01c589c3$d88610e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <42D90AA8.000003.02368@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Reg the ad in gas engine magazine says checks accepted in $ US
but email him to get price
when i talked to him it was an extra $10 to send to england
 pchazman at hotmail.com

nick

 
Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
 nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
-------Original Message-------
 
From: R & M Ingold
Date: 07/16/05 06:17:03
To: The SEL email discussion list
Cc: colin lindsay howells
Subject: [SEL] BYB
 
Help please. I have a mate who wants to buy a copy of the new BYB
What would be the emaol contact address or postal, whatever.
I can pay for him by US check if needed.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
 
 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jul 16 06:41:04 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:41:04 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
Message-ID: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>

Some time back we did a page or three of old switchboard meters that
we had collected, but we lost the page link in the menu reshuffle last
year.

Now we have added four pages of early type knife switches as well, and
reinstated the pages:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Switchboard/Fuse1.htm

The original pages are Nos 1 - 4, the latest pages are 5 - 8.

The pages can also be reached through the 'Miscellaneous' icon on the
main menu page, there is an item on the Miscellaneous menu now.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From nick at holden1.net  Sat Jul 16 07:14:49 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:14:49 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] Fw: [STATIONARY_FLYWHEEL_ENGINES] gas engine info needed
Message-ID: <42D91659.000001.02428@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

 can any one help on the list
nick 

 
Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
 nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
-------Original Message-------
 
From: cerwin007ca
Date: 07/16/05 14:39:48
To: STATIONARY_FLYWHEEL_ENGINES at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STATIONARY_FLYWHEEL_ENGINES] gas engine info needed
 
 
Hi all, I am looking for info on the floowing engines and was
wandering if any one elese here had any information or one of these
engines, Thanks for you time.
 
cerwin
 
 
The engines are as follows
 
#1 - J.A.FELLOWS - any info on engines or pumps or who exactly made
them, a freind of mine picked one up a few years ago and we have
been hunting for info ever since, have here that J.A.FELLOWS worked
for G.S at M goold shaply and miur at one time then starte makeing his
own (don't know for how long or when exactly) also heard that
Sandwich and gsm may have a connection but this is all info I have
found on the net. Any help or comments would be great.
 
 
#2 - Have what I belive is a GRAY gas engine but has no plates on
it, has the following numbers cast into it - 19 on both flywheels 29
on the water hooper and IHC  or 1HC cast into top of head, I had a
chance to take a look at a gray and the two engine where alomost
exact with the same #'s cast in and everthing but his engine has
gray cast right into the water hopper in large letters with some
other info and mine has non of this?
 
 
#3 - Gilson modle X 1918? - a 3 HP gilson made in guelph ont canada
which the previous owner told us was of 1918 vintage, but I can fine
no info on the modle X and have been tol that the plant stoped
makeing engines in 1917 also my engine is almost the same as the
modle C only the carb is on top on mine and down below on the C and
info would be welcome
 
 
#4 - Dose any one have instruction books or manuals or just starting
and running info on a 4.5 hp  type two massy harris ? got fuel and
spark (but may be too week) and had the tractor turning the engine
over for a hour last week and still can't get the thing to fire.
 
 
Well that's all for now have a few more question but don't want to
ask over my quota.
 
 
 
 
 
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From falcon at telenet.net  Sat Jul 16 08:42:57 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:42:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT:  I.C.E. on your cell phone
Message-ID: <00f601c58a1d$0ad5de00$b51117d1@net.telenet.net>

http://www.komotv.com/stories/37952.htm

This is something that might be a good idea for folks with cell phones.

SEATTLE - A unique campaign is gaining a lot of momentum in England in
the wake of last week's deadly bombings. The effort involves how your
cell phone could actually help save your life.

Since the tragedy a week ago today, cell phone users in England are
being urged to program in a new number, and label that number with the
letters I-C-E. That stands for "In case of emergency."

If you become unconscious, rescuers could scroll through your phone, and
know exactly who to call, gleaning information that could potentially
save your life.

I asked Jim Bowman at King County's 911 Center if he's ever heard of
"ICE?"

"No, I haven't," Bowman responded.

But he really likes the idea.

"I'll bring it up with my boss today," Bowman said. "It sounds like
something she'll probably want to promote."

And well before any official campaign begins here. "In fact, I'll
probably do my phone when we're through talking," Bowman told KOMO News.

"If there is a number in their phone, an 'ICE' number, we can use that
as a tool," says Seattle Fire Captain Preston Bang, who says it could
help in a variety of situations. "Something as simple as a car accident,
or maybe as complex as a subway bombing."

It may take a while to catch on, and any campaign here will take time to
develop, but you can help start the life saving conversation by
programming your ICE number right now.

**NOTE As of 3:30pm Thursday, I've received numerous email responses to
the article, each with a suggestion on how to make your "ICE" number a
little more visible to a rescuer or police officer. One of the best
suggestions is putting a dot or "." before the letters "I-C-E." By doing
this, your "ICE" number will be at the very top of your phone book, thus
very easy to spot. Another thing: Many cell phones won't let you put in
the same number twice, so try what I tried. If your "ICE" is the same
number as someone else on your list, just put a "1" in front of the area
code and phone number...much like you would if you were dialing from a
"land line." Your cell doesn't care whether you use a "1" or not most of
the time. Several have said they'll be passing this story along to
co-workers to help get the word out. One of the best ways to do this is
click on the link under the picture of the cell phone. In the section
marked "Tools," click on "Email this story." -BC




Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown, New York




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jul 16 09:04:41 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:04:41 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>

Very nicely done Peter.  I have never seen the quick breaks before.

  Soon we will be headed up to the old silver mine and see if we can find 
switchboard or any other sparks that may have went along with our Universal 
GenSet.  The PO says everything but the genset was destroyed in a fire..we 
will see.

Thanks fer sharin'
RickinMt.


>
> Now we have added four pages of early type knife switches as well, and
> reinstated the pages:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Switchboard/Fuse1.htm
>
> The original pages are Nos 1 - 4, the latest pages are 5 - 8.
>
> The pages can also be reached through the 'Miscellaneous' icon on the
> main menu page, there is an item on the Miscellaneous menu now.
>
> Peter 


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jul 16 10:25:40 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:25:40 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/16/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> Very nicely done Peter.  I have never seen the quick breaks before.
> 
>   Soon we will be headed up to the old silver mine and see if we can find
> switchboard or any other sparks that may have went along with our Universal
> GenSet.  The PO says everything but the genset was destroyed in a fire..we
> will see.
> 
> Thanks fer sharin'
> RickinMt.
> 

Quick breaks were fitted to DC switches to prevent arcing across as
the load current was broken. It's still a problem, even today!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jul 16 11:12:58 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:12:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>
	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>

> Quick breaks were fitted to DC switches to prevent arcing across as
> the load current was broken. It's still a problem, even today!

Direct current still works pretty much the same way as it has for a 
long time.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From MBellar at aol.com  Sat Jul 16 13:19:11 2005
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:19:11 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Larger/now On Demand Regulator
Message-ID: <e8.17613bc3.300ac5bf@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/8/2005 5:29:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
rotigel at alltel.net writes:

PS, If  you need one before the show (or will not make the fall Coolspring 
show)  I'll post Jake's phone # and snail to the List in several weeks (if  
asked.) Jake's mother died three days ago, so I think we should leave him  
alone for several weeks!



Dave;
 
I would like to contact Jake sometime in the near future about a demand  
regulator. Do you know if he normally attends the Portland show?
 
Tom


From enginepaul at aol.com  Sat Jul 16 15:07:12 2005
From: enginepaul at aol.com (enginepaul at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:07:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear - getting way OT
In-Reply-To: <825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>
	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <8C75869DA160DBA-B7C-B960@mblk-r38.sysops.aol.com>

 Your computer keyboard has what we used to call "no bounce switches" to prevent keystrokes from repeating.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:12:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear


> Quick breaks were fitted to DC switches to prevent arcing across as 
> the load current was broken. It's still a problem, even today! 
 
Direct current still works pretty much the same way as it has for a long time. 
 
John Culp 
Bristol, Tennessee, USA 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jul 16 15:12:21 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:12:21 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>
	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>
	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <6f602516050716151228b70716@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/16/05, John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net> wrote:

> Direct current still works pretty much the same way as it has for a
> long time.
> 

Bit like gravity, must have been hell until it was invented....

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jul 16 15:48:41 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:48:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <6f602516050716151228b70716@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>
	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>
	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
	<6f602516050716151228b70716@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3c0457119a3ced11a967bc61fa3f8197@chartertn.net>

>> Direct current still works pretty much the same way as it has for a
>> long time.
>>
>
> Bit like gravity, must have been hell until it was invented....

Ask Dave.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jul 16 15:54:09 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 08:54:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] BYB
References: <015f01c589c3$d88610e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<42D90AA8.000003.02368@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
Message-ID: <021f01c58a59$47ab7ab0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Thanks Nick. I have emailed him and am waiting on a reply.
Thanks to the list as well. Always a member ready to help.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "nick" <nick at holden1.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] BYB


Reg the ad in gas engine magazine says checks accepted in $ US
but email him to get price
when i talked to him it was an extra $10 to send to england
 pchazman at hotmail.com

nick

 
Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
 nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
-------Original Message-------
 
From: R & M Ingold
Date: 07/16/05 06:17:03
To: The SEL email discussion list
Cc: colin lindsay howells
Subject: [SEL] BYB
 
Help please. I have a mate who wants to buy a copy of the new BYB
What would be the emaol contact address or postal, whatever.
I can pay for him by US check if needed.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
 
 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jul 16 16:07:42 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:07:42 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Magneto Data Sheets and Exploded views
Message-ID: <6f60251605071616074180d1d4@mail.gmail.com>

We have been working for some time towards a comprehensive set of data
for magnetos, which has involved a fair bit of information gathering
and service information book purchasing.

We have got to the stage where we can make a start, there is enough
data for a few hundred pages, but for tonight we have got the
rudiments arranged for the first 15 exploded views.

These are all Edison Splitdorf machines from the 1930's and 1940's, we
do have Wico, Dixie, Bendix, Fairbanks and other stuff to scan and put
on.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magneto/Magdata.htm

or through the main menu TECHNICAL icon, to the next menu, down to the
very bottom to the 'PETROL' link and then again at the bottom of that
Menu is the link for the Magnetos.

The pages are deliberately large and detailed so they will print out
at a readable size. The originals were 3" X 4" and quite dark. All the
images are cleaned up and print to A5 or A4 (or the US equivalent)
quite well.

I'll put the other 10 Splitdorf sets on in the morning (00.05 here now)

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com  Sat Jul 16 16:44:39 2005
From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:44:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: What is it? Now thanks
References: <42BE1649.5090100@earthlink.net> <42BEFB5B.1060700@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <009a01c58a60$54e4c720$4dc87040@user>

Jeff, we have one of these and use it to run our shop air where I work.
Pictures, info, let me know off list.

Paul Russell
Riga, Michigan
hit_n_miss at tc3net.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 3:00 PM
Subject: [SEL] Re: What is it? Now thanks


Hi all,

Thanks for all the replies. Gardner Denver is still in business, and I
will contact them for more information. I snagged a page from the
company web site with a bit of history and will paste it below.
Interesting history.


Jeff Allen

http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE01.JPG
http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE02.JPG
http://oldirongallery.com/GTENGINE03.JPG

> Gardner Denver is an international leader in providing
> compressed air and pump equipment that helps keep
> thousands of manufacturing processes, as well as oil and gas
> production, moving ahead at a brisk pace. We began as the
> Gardner Governor Company in 1859, with the introduction
> of a product that provided the first effective speed control
> for steam engines. By 1890, we had expanded our product
> offering to include steam pumps and high speed vertical air
> compressors. At the turn of the century, the discovery of
> large oil deposits in Texas spurred us to adapt our unique
> steam pump technology for use in mud pumps which rapidly
> became an integral part of the oilwell drilling process.
> In 1927, the Gardner Company merged with Denver Rock Drill
> and became Gardner Denver, a manufacturer of equipment
> used in oilwell drilling, pipeline trenching, dam, tunnel and
> highway construction. For the next 52 years, we continued
> to grow and diversify. In 1979, Gardner Denver was acquired
> by Cooper Industries and split into ten divisions. Two of
> those divisions, Gardner Denver Air Compressors and Gardner
> Denver Petroleum Equipment, were combined six years
> later and became the Gardner Denver Industrial Machinery
> Division. We continued to acquire businesses and products
> to broaden our product offering and utilize established
> distribution channels.
> By 1994, our Division had built a solid reputation as a
> full line supplier of compressed air products and oil field
> petroleum equipment. Cooper, however, changed strategies
> and decided to exit the petroleum equipment business. As a
> result, the Gardner Denver Industrial Machinery Division was
> spun off as an independent company. Today, Gardner Denver,
> Inc. is a publicly held company traded on the New York Stock
> Exchange under the symbol GDI.
> TRADITION a quality manufacturing
> since 1859




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From b2 at chooka.net  Sat Jul 16 16:54:34 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:54:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Magneto Data Sheets and Exploded views
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605071616074180d1d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200507161855477.SM02420@wrbpc>

Peter, this is an awesome reference you have for us.  Thank you for your
time and attention to detail to make this available!!!

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 6:08 PM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Magneto Data Sheets and Exploded views

We have been working for some time towards a comprehensive set of data for
magnetos, which has involved a fair bit of information gathering and service
information book purchasing.

We have got to the stage where we can make a start, there is enough data for
a few hundred pages, but for tonight we have got the rudiments arranged for
the first 15 exploded views.

These are all Edison Splitdorf machines from the 1930's and 1940's, we do
have Wico, Dixie, Bendix, Fairbanks and other stuff to scan and put on.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magneto/Magdata.htm

or through the main menu TECHNICAL icon, to the next menu, down to the very
bottom to the 'PETROL' link and then again at the bottom of that Menu is the
link for the Magnetos.

The pages are deliberately large and detailed so they will print out at a
readable size. The originals were 3" X 4" and quite dark. All the images are
cleaned up and print to A5 or A4 (or the US equivalent) quite well.

I'll put the other 10 Splitdorf sets on in the morning (00.05 here now)

Peter
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 16 17:47:20 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:47:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re: Magneto Data Sheets and Exploded views
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605071616074180d1d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f60251605071616074180d1d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42D9AA98.8070905@earthlink.net>

Hi Peter,

As always you continue to share with all of us. I am in the middle of 
the book I am putting online and have also scanned and reprinted a 
manual. I know first hand the hours and dedication needed to do what you 
have done for years. Thanks!!

Jeff Allen
Arvada, record breaking 102 today, Colorado

Listerdiesel wrote:

>We have been working for some time towards a comprehensive set of data
>for magnetos, which has involved a fair bit of information gathering
>and service information book purchasing.
>
>We have got to the stage where we can make a start, there is enough
>data for a few hundred pages, but for tonight we have got the
>rudiments arranged for the first 15 exploded views.
>
>These are all Edison Splitdorf machines from the 1930's and 1940's, we
>do have Wico, Dixie, Bendix, Fairbanks and other stuff to scan and put
>on.
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magneto/Magdata.htm
>
>or through the main menu TECHNICAL icon, to the next menu, down to the
>very bottom to the 'PETROL' link and then again at the bottom of that
>Menu is the link for the Magnetos.
>
>The pages are deliberately large and detailed so they will print out
>at a readable size. The originals were 3" X 4" and quite dark. All the
>images are cleaned up and print to A5 or A4 (or the US equivalent)
>quite well.
>
>I'll put the other 10 Splitdorf sets on in the morning (00.05 here now)
>
>Peter
>  
>



From guitronics at comcast.net  Sat Jul 16 18:20:36 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:20:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>
	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>

On relays, "quenching", or "spike" diodes are put across one of the 
coils to absorb the voltage of the collapsing magnetic field.I imagine 
the same thing will work with switches....in Audio Electronics, a 
high-value (1 Meg ohm) resistor is used on the input of amplifiers to 
eliminate the "Popping" noise of the switch.

John Culp wrote:

>> Quick breaks were fitted to DC switches to prevent arcing across as
>> the load current was broken. It's still a problem, even today!
>
>
> Direct current still works pretty much the same way as it has for a 
> long time.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From bdb at mchsi.com  Sat Jul 16 18:31:29 2005
From: bdb at mchsi.com (bdb)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:31:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <001301c58a6f$41f9a590$c947d70c@VALUED20606295>

I am hoping that some of the oil field engine gurus can help me. I have an 8 hp Reid that uses hot tube ignition only. I can't get the torch to heat the tube hot enough to fire the engine. I have heard other torches have a roaring sound when running but mine just kind of hisses. I am using a 100 lb tank and have the torch running on the tanks pressure. I have Covered the air holes on at a time but it still won't generate. I thought about resizing the orifice that the gas comes out but the hole is really small and the smallest bit I have is .020. Are there a variety of orifices available? What should I do?

Thanks
Barry
Barry D Buchanan
410 S. Moore
Ottumwa, IA. 52501

E-Mail at bdb at mchsi.com

From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jul 16 19:10:51 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:10:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>
	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
	<42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9fa4fbaef177900aee5c017374cf438a@chartertn.net>

> On relays, "quenching", or "spike" diodes are put across one of the 
> coils to absorb the voltage of the collapsing magnetic field.

Like the damper diodes on TV picture tube deflection coils. Used to be 
vacuum tubes (valves to Peter), and I've still got a bunch of 'em. They 
make pretty good half-wave power rectifiers.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From todengine at zoominternet.net  Sat Jul 16 19:22:09 2005
From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:22:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com><825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
	<42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <009101c58a76$558c9de0$365bef18@pengy>

All you need are massive contacts, lots of asbestos shielding and arc 
extinguishers!  The fun of DC is the arcing, sparks, flashes and loud 
noises!   We have a tiny 3 ton overhead crane at work dating to 1923.  It 
runs on 250 VDC and pegs the amp meter (300 amps) when a lift is made.  Its 
all original so what technology they had then we are using now. Now and then 
she puts on a show.

I have access to large amounts of old switchboards, slate panels, knife 
switches etc. from the local steel mills. Lots of 1916 era Westinghouse and 
GE equipment. I wonder if there are any people out there that collect this 
stuff just as we all collect old iron.  A building I rent is a former 
powerhouse in a mill.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael P. Koryciak" <guitronics at comcast.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear


> On relays, "quenching", or "spike" diodes are put across one of the
> coils to absorb the voltage of the collapsing magnetic field.I imagine
> the same thing will work with switches....in Audio Electronics, a
> high-value (1 Meg ohm) resistor is used on the input of amplifiers to
> eliminate the "Popping" noise of the switch.
>
> John Culp wrote:
>
>>> Quick breaks were fitted to DC switches to prevent arcing across as
>>> the load current was broken. It's still a problem, even today!
>>
>>
>> Direct current still works pretty much the same way as it has for a
>> long time.
>>
>> John Culp
>> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>


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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Jul 16 19:48:39 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:48:39 -0700
Subject: [SEL] BYB
In-Reply-To: <42D90AA8.000003.02368@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>
Message-ID: <200507170248.j6H2mqhs076633@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


> Reg the ad in gas engine magazine says checks accepted in $ 
> US but email him to get price when i talked to him it was an 
> extra $10 to send to england 

Well there you go, Nick!  Another good reason to come to Portland and save $10.

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jul 16 19:49:56 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:49:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <009101c58a76$558c9de0$365bef18@pengy>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com><825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
	<42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>
	<009101c58a76$558c9de0$365bef18@pengy>
Message-ID: <e2159530aacffaf88e458905dcf3254e@chartertn.net>

Many years ago, when I was in high school, I read Martin Uman's book 
"Lightning." (It was a rather unique scholarly work on lightning. He's 
written several since, and about 3-4 years ago I looked him up, found 
he was still kicking and corresponded with him by E-mail.) One thing I 
recall from it was in the chapter on ball lightning, that submariners 
had occasionally reported fireballs produced when  breakers were opened 
in their high-current 600VDC (IIRC) circuits, surviving and moving 
around for several seconds. Wouldn't you love to have those things 
rolling around the floor while you were undersea in a sub? There's not 
a lot of room in those things.

John

On Jul 16, 2005, at 10:22 PM, Tod Engine wrote:

> All you need are massive contacts, lots of asbestos shielding and arc 
> extinguishers!  The fun of DC is the arcing, sparks, flashes and loud 
> noises!


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jul 16 19:54:40 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:54:40 +1000
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
References: <001301c58a6f$41f9a590$c947d70c@VALUED20606295>
Message-ID: <02a701c58a7a$e2104f10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Contact John Burns.
He is the guru on these things.

burns, john
E-mail Address(es):
  jobec_2001_2000 at yahoo.com
Personal Information:
  Address:
    510 W Jefferson

    New Carlisle Ohio 45344
    United States of America
  Phone: 937 845 3412


Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "bdb" <bdb at mchsi.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 11:31 AM
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)


I am hoping that some of the oil field engine gurus can help me. I have an 8 
hp Reid that uses hot tube ignition only. I can't get the torch to heat the 
tube hot enough to fire the engine. I have heard other torches have a 
roaring sound when running but mine just kind of hisses. I am using a 100 lb 
tank and have the torch running on the tanks pressure. I have Covered the 
air holes on at a time but it still won't generate. I thought about resizing 
the orifice that the gas comes out but the hole is really small and the 
smallest bit I have is .020. Are there a variety of orifices available? What 
should I do?

Thanks
Barry
Barry D Buchanan
410 S. Moore
Ottumwa, IA. 52501

E-Mail at bdb at mchsi.com
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jul 16 19:57:25 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:57:25 +1000
Subject: [SEL] BYB
References: <200507170248.j6H2mqhs076633@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <02e601c58a7b$f13ca0a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Much as the prospect attracts me, I cant be in two places at once. Sigh!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] BYB


>
>> Reg the ad in gas engine magazine says checks accepted in $
>> US but email him to get price when i talked to him it was an
>> extra $10 to send to england
>
> Well there you go, Nick!  Another good reason to come to Portland and save 
> $10.
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=
> Rob Skinner
> La Habra, California
> mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
> http://www.rustyiron.com
>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Jul 16 22:44:40 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:44:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <001301c58a6f$41f9a590$c947d70c@VALUED20606295>
Message-ID: <200507170544.j6H5injU018813@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


> generate. I thought about resizing the orifice that the gas 
> comes out but the hole is really small and the smallest bit I 
> have is .020. Are there a variety of orifices available? What 
> should I do?

Hi Barry, 
I can't specifically answer your question in regards to your engine, but perhaps
some experiments of a couple months ago can guide you where you need to go.  You
can infer the basics from my description, then modify it for your particular
needs.

I was trying to make a suitable lamp for an engine.  The results varied from a
wimpy little yellow propane flame to a seven foot tall fountain of flaming
kerosene showering over my head.  It was totally bogus.

Most of my headaches were the result of not mixing enough air with the fuel to
get a hot flame.  Here's the basics of the design I settled on.

The propane bottle was a little one-pounder.  The valve and hose came from a
little hand-held plumbers torch.  The pressure coming out of the little bottle
will be the same as your 100 lb. tank.  

The burner is a piece of cold rolled, about two inches long, turned down to the
diameter where a piece of 1/2" emt can be firmly pushed over it and stay in
place.  It's bored ALMOST all the way through with a hole that is the diameter
needed to tap a 1/8" pipe thread.  

The hole is then tapped to 1/8" to accept the propane hose.  From the other end,
I drilled an orifice.  The diameter was about 0.025" to 0.028"   I don't
remember exactly, but this is a bit bigger than your 0.020".  

You can't just shoot propane out an orifice and expect it to burn.  Believe me.
Remember the previous statement regarding the shower of flaming kerosene.  You
need a mixer.

The mixing section is a piece of half inch emt, about three inches long.  About
3/4" from the end, I cut two slots 1/4" wide and 1" long for the introduction of
air.  That's it for the mixer.

Slip the mixer over the burner.  It should be a tight fit so it doesn't move
around, and the slots should not be covered.  The flame tended to shoot far out
and extinguish itself, so I took a strip of steel screen, rolled it up, and
stuck it in the end of the emt.  I think the screen slows down the gases and
allows mixing.  When you're running a small flame, it will prevent the gasses
from going back into your burner.  

Voila!  Big Blue Flame!  

The burner works very well.  If I was to improve upon it, I'd maybe try a bigger
orifice, maybe make the mixer longer, and maybe play with the screen.  But it
works so well now that there is little motivation to modify it.  

Just remember:

1.  You GOTTA get air to mix with the fuel.
2.  You gotta slow it down enough so your flame doesn't self extinguish.
3.  Setting yourself on fire detracts from your "fun time."  

Have fun.  Remain uncombustable.
Rob






From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jul 16 23:17:34 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 07:17:34 +0100
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <200507170544.j6H5injU018813@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <001301c58a6f$41f9a590$c947d70c@VALUED20606295>
	<200507170544.j6H5injU018813@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605071623177e4854b1@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/17/05, Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:

<snipped interesting stuff>

> 1.  You GOTTA get air to mix with the fuel.
> 2.  You gotta slow it down enough so your flame doesn't self extinguish.
> 3.  Setting yourself on fire detracts from your "fun time."
> 
> Have fun.  Remain uncombustable.
> Rob
> 

I don't know if this is of any help, but the gas torch people Sievert
used to sell their gas torch nozzles in kits, with detachable burners,
each of which had its own jet and mixer tube. Getting the
appropriately sized one for this job might be as easy as making one up
from scratch and experimenting.

www.sievert.se/en/

I know that we have a couple of burner tubes here that are about 4"
long and 1-1/4" diameter for high rate propane burning.

The other people to ask are the hot air balloonists, they use BIG
propane burners.

Remain incombustible....

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From gwaugh at wowway.com  Sat Jul 16 23:49:37 2005
From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 01:49:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605071623177e4854b1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001301c58a6f$41f9a590$c947d70c@VALUED20606295>	<200507170544.j6H5injU018813@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<6f60251605071623177e4854b1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42D9FF81.9000201@wowway.com>


> The other people to ask are the hot air balloonists, they use BIG
> propane burners.
> 
> Remain incombustible....
> 
> Peter

Here in the U. S. we have a torch very commonly used by plumbers,
HVAC techs etc---the best going.  TurboTorch by Thermadyne...

http://www.thermadyne.com/turbotorch/index.asp

and Yes, ALL of their tips have lotsa air available right after the gas 
exits the orifice.

BTW---It is one thing to remian uncombustible...which none of us are. 
It is a much greater thing to remain uncombusted!
-- 
Gene

Gene Waugh
Elgin, Illinois 60123 USA


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 17 04:10:14 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:10:14 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Re: Magneto Data Sheets and Exploded views
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605071616074180d1d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f60251605071616074180d1d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605071704101cb5f30f@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/17/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magneto/Magdata.htm
> 

42 pages done now, Splitdorf and Fairbanks-Morse magnetos.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From brock at netspeed.com.au  Sun Jul 17 04:44:21 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:44:21 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Timbertown
References: <20050715121834.HAON23311.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<003601c58939$4015f850$36af57ca@n>
Message-ID: <00a301c58ac4$df781860$5f11fea9@merlin>

i only collect gold plated moffits so i can melt them down thats the only 
good use for them  ,,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mick Christie" <mickc at vic.australis.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Timbertown


> Hey Patrick
> I know Brock likes his moffats as well but dont tell that the carbys are
> rare other wise Edd will never get any of Brocks engines, especially trhe
> gold plated ones!!
>   Cheers
>         Mick
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:18 PM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] Timbertown
>
>
>>I think you may be better off to keep your brass Lonquemare carby and 
>>throw
>> the engine away.
>> My source who told me they run better on the M-V carby has more Hornsbys
>> than common sense, you can guess who I mean and you can take it up with
>> him
>> ;)
>> Patrick
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Oh dear Patrick, I will remember this next time you have the oportunity 
>> to
>> purchase a quality Hornsby engine :-)  It sounds pretty odd for a hornsby
>> to run better off the MV carby. Perhaps us Hornsby owners should throw 
>> our
>> lovely brass Lonquemare carbies to the shit house and put a rare MV on.
>> Just imagin what would happen to the price of all the little MV's kicking
>> about the vast waste land.
>>  Russell
>>
>>
>>
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From pcgray at zoominternet.net  Sun Jul 17 11:49:28 2005
From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:49:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] reid hot tube burner
In-Reply-To: <200507171000.j6HA0A4m031803@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <80C0A201-F6F3-11D9-A70D-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net>

Barry-
I find that if you are making your own chimney burners, it is difficult 
to get the fuel to  draw in the right amount of air. So I use a piece 
of 1/16 brass tubing in place of the orifice and make it project into 
the tube carrying the air fuel mix. If it burns too rich, ie flame 
coming out of the top, then crimp down the tube a bit until the burner 
gives a slight roar and a bright blue flame. I posted a picture on 
OFES. It is also less likely to flash back and burn in the mixer where 
air is sucked in.  I got my tube from a good hardware shop which stocks 
K+N brass stock assortment. I think it was $1.50 for 3' of tube.  I 
make the mixers from a 3/8-1/4 pipe reducer and hog out the sides on 
the mill. Or you could use a drill. I tap the ID of the 1/4" pipe male 
for 1/8 pipe to accept the orifice.
here is a picture
http://www.oilfieldengine.com/oilfield/shop/posts/2276.html

If there is no red, it will act as though dead!

Paul Gray
Just south of the Manson-Nixon line in MD



From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Jul 17 13:16:16 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:16:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <009101c58a76$558c9de0$365bef18@pengy>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com><825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>	<42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>
	<009101c58a76$558c9de0$365bef18@pengy>
Message-ID: <42DABC90.7030902@comcast.net>


Sure there are....put together "Kits" of parts on Ebay,you'll be happy! 
I might even be interested.

Tod Engine wrote:

> All you need are massive contacts, lots of asbestos shielding and arc 
> extinguishers!  The fun of DC is the arcing, sparks, flashes and loud 
> noises!   We have a tiny 3 ton overhead crane at work dating to 1923.  
> It runs on 250 VDC and pegs the amp meter (300 amps) when a lift is 
> made.  Its all original so what technology they had then we are using 
> now. Now and then she puts on a show.
>
> I have access to large amounts of old switchboards, slate panels, 
> knife switches etc. from the local steel mills. Lots of 1916 era 
> Westinghouse and GE equipment. I wonder if there are any people out 
> there that collect this stuff just as we all collect old iron.  A 
> building I rent is a former powerhouse in a mill.
>
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael P. Koryciak" 
> <guitronics at comcast.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
>
>
>> On relays, "quenching", or "spike" diodes are put across one of the
>> coils to absorb the voltage of the collapsing magnetic field.I imagine
>> the same thing will work with switches....in Audio Electronics, a
>> high-value (1 Meg ohm) resistor is used on the input of amplifiers to
>> eliminate the "Popping" noise of the switch.
>>
>> John Culp wrote:
>>
>>>> Quick breaks were fitted to DC switches to prevent arcing across as
>>>> the load current was broken. It's still a problem, even today!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Direct current still works pretty much the same way as it has for a
>>> long time.
>>>
>>> John Culp
>>> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>>
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 17 18:16:05 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:16:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] FM Upright manual
Message-ID: <42DB02D5.8060608@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Just got this online.

http://oldirongallery.com/FMMANUAL/Fc.html

Not my best work online, but there is a reason. This is the first manual 
that I am reprinting for sale. Scan resolution for reprinting is much 
different than for posting on a web site. My reprints look great, but if 
you try to print these pages they will be crap. If there is enough 
interest I can put the original scans up for those that want to print a 
copy. It's about a 14 Meg file and I'll be glad to share it with those 
on these lists. I will work on a better printable online version later.

I will be reprinting and selling some manuals to cover my costs. My 
pockets are not deep enough to share with you, and not sell reprints. As 
always, any original manuals I have are here for the asking to list 
members. I know I am only an e-mail away from your great advice and 
help, so my library is yours for the asking. I think most of it is 
already online.

Enjoy!!

Jeff Allen

P.S. Thanks for all the great tips and info on painting.



From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Jul 18 08:33:20 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:33:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20050718.113331.656.17.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Barry,

This weekend I was at a show where Bill Knupp had a half-breed on
exhibit.

When he went to fire it up, he lit a Craftsman propane torch and stuck it
in a
hole in the bottom of the hot tube chimney.  You know, the kind people
use to 
take off paint - or start a grill - just a small propane torch. 

The hole was probably where the original inlet line was attached.

I commented on it and he said it works and is much simpler than firing
the hot tube
in the traditional way.

Within a few minutes the tube was hot enough to start the engine.

Just M2C

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
\/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From bdb at mchsi.com  Mon Jul 18 09:39:51 2005
From: bdb at mchsi.com (bdb)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:39:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 16, Issue 18
References: <200507181000.j6IA0BxK025555@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <002b01c58bb7$522af470$c947d70c@VALUED20606295>

I want to thank everyone that has replied to my plea for help about the Reid 
hot tube problem I'm having. I have several good Ideas now and can probably 
fix the problem. You guys are the best.
Barry

Ottumwa, IA. 52501

E-Mail at bdb at mchsi.com
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To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 5:00 AM
Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 16, Issue 18


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>   1. Re: Magneto Data Sheets and Exploded views (Listerdiesel)
>   2. Re: Timbertown (Brock Summerfield)
>   3. reid hot tube burner (Paul + Colleen Gray)
>   4. Re: Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear (Michael P. Koryciak)
>   5. FM Upright manual (Jeff Allen)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:10:14 +0100
> From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
> Subject: [SEL] Re: Magneto Data Sheets and Exploded views
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Message-ID: <6f60251605071704101cb5f30f at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 7/17/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Magneto/Magdata.htm
>>
>
> 42 pages done now, Splitdorf and Fairbanks-Morse magnetos.
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:44:21 +1000
> From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Timbertown
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Message-ID: <00a301c58ac4$df781860$5f11fea9 at merlin>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> i only collect gold plated moffits so i can melt them down thats the only
> good use for them  ,,
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mick Christie" <mickc at vic.australis.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Timbertown
>
>
>> Hey Patrick
>> I know Brock likes his moffats as well but dont tell that the carbys are
>> rare other wise Edd will never get any of Brocks engines, especially trhe
>> gold plated ones!!
>>   Cheers
>>         Mick
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
>> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:18 PM
>> Subject: RE: [SEL] Timbertown
>>
>>
>>>I think you may be better off to keep your brass Lonquemare carby and
>>>throw
>>> the engine away.
>>> My source who told me they run better on the M-V carby has more Hornsbys
>>> than common sense, you can guess who I mean and you can take it up with
>>> him
>>> ;)
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> Patrick M Livingstone
>>> Leichhardt NSW
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> Oh dear Patrick, I will remember this next time you have the oportunity
>>> to
>>> purchase a quality Hornsby engine :-)  It sounds pretty odd for a 
>>> hornsby
>>> to run better off the MV carby. Perhaps us Hornsby owners should throw
>>> our
>>> lovely brass Lonquemare carbies to the shit house and put a rare MV on.
>>> Just imagin what would happen to the price of all the little MV's 
>>> kicking
>>> about the vast waste land.
>>>  Russell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:49:28 -0400
> From: Paul + Colleen Gray <pcgray at zoominternet.net>
> Subject: [SEL] reid hot tube burner
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Message-ID: <80C0A201-F6F3-11D9-A70D-000A9574E7BA at zoominternet.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> Barry-
> I find that if you are making your own chimney burners, it is difficult
> to get the fuel to  draw in the right amount of air. So I use a piece
> of 1/16 brass tubing in place of the orifice and make it project into
> the tube carrying the air fuel mix. If it burns too rich, ie flame
> coming out of the top, then crimp down the tube a bit until the burner
> gives a slight roar and a bright blue flame. I posted a picture on
> OFES. It is also less likely to flash back and burn in the mixer where
> air is sucked in.  I got my tube from a good hardware shop which stocks
> K+N brass stock assortment. I think it was $1.50 for 3' of tube.  I
> make the mixers from a 3/8-1/4 pipe reducer and hog out the sides on
> the mill. Or you could use a drill. I tap the ID of the 1/4" pipe male
> for 1/8 pipe to accept the orifice.
> here is a picture
> http://www.oilfieldengine.com/oilfield/shop/posts/2276.html
>
> If there is no red, it will act as though dead!
>
> Paul Gray
> Just south of the Manson-Nixon line in MD
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:16:16 -0400
> From: "Michael P. Koryciak" <guitronics at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Message-ID: <42DABC90.7030902 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> Sure there are....put together "Kits" of parts on Ebay,you'll be happy!
> I might even be interested.
>
> Tod Engine wrote:
>
>> All you need are massive contacts, lots of asbestos shielding and arc
>> extinguishers!  The fun of DC is the arcing, sparks, flashes and loud
>> noises!   We have a tiny 3 ton overhead crane at work dating to 1923.
>> It runs on 250 VDC and pegs the amp meter (300 amps) when a lift is
>> made.  Its all original so what technology they had then we are using
>> now. Now and then she puts on a show.
>>
>> I have access to large amounts of old switchboards, slate panels,
>> knife switches etc. from the local steel mills. Lots of 1916 era
>> Westinghouse and GE equipment. I wonder if there are any people out
>> there that collect this stuff just as we all collect old iron.  A
>> building I rent is a former powerhouse in a mill.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael P. Koryciak"
>> <guitronics at comcast.net>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
>>
>>
>>> On relays, "quenching", or "spike" diodes are put across one of the
>>> coils to absorb the voltage of the collapsing magnetic field.I imagine
>>> the same thing will work with switches....in Audio Electronics, a
>>> high-value (1 Meg ohm) resistor is used on the input of amplifiers to
>>> eliminate the "Popping" noise of the switch.
>>>
>>> John Culp wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Quick breaks were fitted to DC switches to prevent arcing across as
>>>>> the load current was broken. It's still a problem, even today!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Direct current still works pretty much the same way as it has for a
>>>> long time.
>>>>
>>>> John Culp
>>>> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:16:05 -0600
> From: Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [SEL] FM Upright manual
> To: Oldengine list <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Cc: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Message-ID: <42DB02D5.8060608 at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just got this online.
>
> http://oldirongallery.com/FMMANUAL/Fc.html
>
> Not my best work online, but there is a reason. This is the first manual
> that I am reprinting for sale. Scan resolution for reprinting is much
> different than for posting on a web site. My reprints look great, but if
> you try to print these pages they will be crap. If there is enough
> interest I can put the original scans up for those that want to print a
> copy. It's about a 14 Meg file and I'll be glad to share it with those
> on these lists. I will work on a better printable online version later.
>
> I will be reprinting and selling some manuals to cover my costs. My
> pockets are not deep enough to share with you, and not sell reprints. As
> always, any original manuals I have are here for the asking to list
> members. I know I am only an e-mail away from your great advice and
> help, so my library is yours for the asking. I think most of it is
> already online.
>
> Enjoy!!
>
> Jeff Allen
>
> P.S. Thanks for all the great tips and info on painting.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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> End of SEL Digest, Vol 16, Issue 18
> ***********************************
> 




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 18 10:35:44 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:35:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Stickney Fuel Pumps
In-Reply-To: <20050718.113331.656.17.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F16C0AACC86E36CC5C855F995D50@phx.gbl>


I need help from the Stickney experts on the list:  As you know Curt Holland 
is having castings done to replicate Stickney fuel pumps. He has used as the 
pattern the regular sized (Large Cambox) pump as a Pattern.  I have a small 
cambox Stickney and wondered if they would interchange. I have heard 
opinions both ways and wondered if anyone has tried it or knows for sure if 
they are interchangeable or if they will work with modifications. Many 
thanks, Steve Royster




From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jul 18 11:17:25 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:17:25 -0400
Subject: WAY OT!   Re: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <9fa4fbaef177900aee5c017374cf438a@chartertn.net>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>	<42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>
	<9fa4fbaef177900aee5c017374cf438a@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <42DBF235.4040606@imc-group.com>

John,
Since you have changed from DC circuits to AC circuits,  I gotta ask, 
why use a solid state device for energy absorption when a simple rugged 
RC circuit does well?
I've not seen these quenching/spike diodes you mention used anywhere on 
contacts or coils. Are these simply zenors?
On your tubes.....5Y3GT 's? I think I've still got a few of those.....
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

John Culp wrote:

>> On relays, "quenching", or "spike" diodes are put across one of the 
>> coils to absorb the voltage of the collapsing magnetic field.
>
>
> Like the damper diodes on TV picture tube deflection coils. Used to be 
> vacuum tubes (valves to Peter), and I've still got a bunch of 'em. 
> They make pretty good half-wave power rectifiers.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jul 18 11:26:59 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:26:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <9fa4fbaef177900aee5c017374cf438a@chartertn.net>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>
	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
	<42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>
	<9fa4fbaef177900aee5c017374cf438a@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <1398.165.206.180.102.1121711219.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

Wasn't it Edison who really observed the effect but didn't take or have
the time to work with it - and basically the structure of a light bulb
became the basis for the first "valve" - so called because of the one-way
flow of electrons.

Bill

> Like the damper diodes on TV picture tube deflection coils. Used to be
> vacuum tubes (valves to Peter), and I've still got a bunch of 'em. They
> make pretty good half-wave power rectifiers.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Mon Jul 18 12:03:33 2005
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:03:33 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <1398.165.206.180.102.1121711219.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>
	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>
	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
	<42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>
	<9fa4fbaef177900aee5c017374cf438a@chartertn.net>
	<1398.165.206.180.102.1121711219.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <mHgz67nF0$2CFw3U@loud-n-clear.net>

In message 
<1398.165.206.180.102.1121711219.squirrel at antique-engines.com>, 
bill at antique-engines.com writes
>Wasn't it Edison who really observed the effect but didn't take or have 
>the time to work with it - and basically the structure of a light bulb 
>became the basis for the first "valve" - so called because of the 
>one-way flow of electrons.

For those interested, there is a really good history of the "valve" 
here:

http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/radio_history/valve/hov.php

Edison is credited with observation of thermionic effects in the late 
1880's, Fleming with the first practical application at about the turn 
of the 20th century, but it was deForest in about 1913 (?) who 
demonstrated amplification in his "audion" valve (vacuum tube).  You all 
know what happened next :-)

Regards

      Pete
-- 
Peter Scales



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jul 18 12:17:37 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:17:37 +0100
Subject: WAY OT! Re: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <42DBF235.4040606@imc-group.com>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>
	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>
	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
	<42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>
	<9fa4fbaef177900aee5c017374cf438a@chartertn.net>
	<42DBF235.4040606@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6f602516050718121720a707ec@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/18/05, Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
> John,
> Since you have changed from DC circuits to AC circuits,  I gotta ask,
> why use a solid state device for energy absorption when a simple rugged
> RC circuit does well?
> I've not seen these quenching/spike diodes you mention used anywhere on
> contacts or coils. Are these simply zenors?
> On your tubes.....5Y3GT 's? I think I've still got a few of those.....
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC

There are practical limits, especially on voltage, for discrete surge
suppression devices. Diodes and RC snubbers are great at low voltage,
we use RC snubbers on our thyristor stacks, but at high voltage with
inductive loads, you cannot beat an arc chute type circuit switch.

Magnetic arc blowouts are also quite common.

ABB in France still make old-fashioned clapper contact switches, and
we use them in the big high voltage battery charges.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jul 18 12:50:25 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:50:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <mHgz67nF0$2CFw3U@loud-n-clear.net>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>
	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>
	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
	<42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>
	<9fa4fbaef177900aee5c017374cf438a@chartertn.net>
	<1398.165.206.180.102.1121711219.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
	<mHgz67nF0$2CFw3U@loud-n-clear.net>
Message-ID: <1574.165.206.180.102.1121716225.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

Yes, algore took credit...........

Bill

> In message
> <1398.165.206.180.102.1121711219.squirrel at antique-engines.com>,
> bill at antique-engines.com writes
>>Wasn't it Edison who really observed the effect but didn't take or have
>>the time to work with it - and basically the structure of a light bulb
>>became the basis for the first "valve" - so called because of the
>>one-way flow of electrons.
>
> For those interested, there is a really good history of the "valve"
> here:
>
> http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/radio_history/valve/hov.php
>
> Edison is credited with observation of thermionic effects in the late
> 1880's, Fleming with the first practical application at about the turn
> of the 20th century, but it was deForest in about 1913 (?) who
> demonstrated amplification in his "audion" valve (vacuum tube).  You all
> know what happened next :-)
>
> Regards
>
>       Pete
> --
> Peter Scales
>
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From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jul 18 13:01:22 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:01:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Stickney Fuel Pumps
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F16C0AACC86E36CC5C855F995D50@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY108-F16C0AACC86E36CC5C855F995D50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42DC0A92.1070408@imc-group.com>

To assist here is a picture of the fuel pump on the older/larger cam box 
Stickney.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/FuelPump/PB120024.JPG>
Steve, can you post a picture of the cam lobe side of the cam box? That 
might help us determine. Maybe a few measurements....
I can post an image of mine (old style) and perhaps compare.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Steve Royster wrote:

>
> I need help from the Stickney experts on the list:  As you know Curt 
> Holland is having castings done to replicate Stickney fuel pumps. He 
> has used as the pattern the regular sized (Large Cambox) pump as a 
> Pattern.  I have a small cambox Stickney and wondered if they would 
> interchange. I have heard opinions both ways and wondered if anyone 
> has tried it or knows for sure if they are interchangeable or if they 
> will work with modifications. Many thanks, Steve Royster
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Jul 18 15:13:53 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:13:53 -0400
Subject: WAY OT!   Re: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <42DBF235.4040606@imc-group.com>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>	<42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>
	<9fa4fbaef177900aee5c017374cf438a@chartertn.net>
	<42DBF235.4040606@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6a1239feb51513a782d237af3ed2a42c@chartertn.net>

Curt, I don't fool with that newfangled solid state stuff much at all. 
I wasn't the one who brought up snubber diodes, I pointed out that they 
were a silicon analog of a tube. If what I'm working on doesn't have 
tubes in it, I feel like a stranger in a strange land! RC circuits do 
work well for voltage spike protection on tube amp output circuits, as 
does a simple resistor across the secondary in the ratio of, say, 20/1 
to the load resistance. Spoils the Q of the transformer just enough to 
keep it from frying things if the speaker's left unconnected and a 
transient gets into the amp input. An RC series across the 
transformer's primary serves the dual purpose of also shaping the tone, 
filtering off highs. It's been called a "conjunctive filter." It's not 
quite a simple low pass filter, as it is in parallel with the 
inductance of the transformer primary, so there's an LC resonance also 
involved.

Yeah, 5Y3GTs are a good old rectifier tube! I've got a big old radio 
that uses that. Been in the family since 1951. Every once in a while I 
have to fix it. :-)

John

On Jul 18, 2005, at 2:17 PM, Curt wrote:

> John,
> Since you have changed from DC circuits to AC circuits,  I gotta ask, 
> why use a solid state device for energy absorption when a simple 
> rugged RC circuit does well?
> I've not seen these quenching/spike diodes you mention used anywhere 
> on contacts or coils. Are these simply zenors?
> On your tubes.....5Y3GT 's? I think I've still got a few of those.....
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Jul 18 15:15:22 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:15:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <1398.165.206.180.102.1121711219.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>
	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>
	<42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>
	<9fa4fbaef177900aee5c017374cf438a@chartertn.net>
	<1398.165.206.180.102.1121711219.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <e9decbf459cc3c7f129ef16089e4a211@chartertn.net>

Yep! And in a number of languages, (like Russian and Spanish, that I've 
noticed), a "tube or "valve" is still called a "lamp."

John

On Jul 18, 2005, at 2:26 PM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote:

> Wasn't it Edison who really observed the effect but didn't take or have
> the time to work with it - and basically the structure of a light bulb
> became the basis for the first "valve" - so called because of the 
> one-way
> flow of electrons.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From guitronics at comcast.net  Mon Jul 18 17:20:57 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:20:57 -0400
Subject: WAY OT!   Re: [SEL] Early Switchboard Meters and Switchgear
In-Reply-To: <6a1239feb51513a782d237af3ed2a42c@chartertn.net>
References: <6f602516050716064118d00a53@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY5-DAV6145CD7A56740D53A4059BBD30@phx.gbl>	<6f602516050716102547739d14@mail.gmail.com>	<825aa1c9d590c8c18ede1a291b65d1cc@chartertn.net>	<42D9B264.4020504@comcast.net>	<9fa4fbaef177900aee5c017374cf438a@chartertn.net>	<42DBF235.4040606@imc-group.com>
	<6a1239feb51513a782d237af3ed2a42c@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <42DC4769.1090106@comcast.net>

Not zeners.Substantial P.I.V. (Peak Inverse[reverse] Voltage) standard 
silicon diodes.
Used for D.C....like a car's coil making a spark when it's magnetic 
field collapses.Same thing happens with all inductive 
[Transformer,Coil,Relay, etc.] circuitry.


John Culp wrote:

> Curt, I don't fool with that newfangled solid state stuff much at all. 
> I wasn't the one who brought up snubber diodes, I pointed out that 
> they were a silicon analog of a tube. If what I'm working on doesn't 
> have tubes in it, I feel like a stranger in a strange land! RC 
> circuits do work well for voltage spike protection on tube amp output 
> circuits, as does a simple resistor across the secondary in the ratio 
> of, say, 20/1 to the load resistance. Spoils the Q of the transformer 
> just enough to keep it from frying things if the speaker's left 
> unconnected and a transient gets into the amp input. An RC series 
> across the transformer's primary serves the dual purpose of also 
> shaping the tone, filtering off highs. It's been called a "conjunctive 
> filter." It's not quite a simple low pass filter, as it is in parallel 
> with the inductance of the transformer primary, so there's an LC 
> resonance also involved.
>
> Yeah, 5Y3GTs are a good old rectifier tube! I've got a big old radio 
> that uses that. Been in the family since 1951. Every once in a while I 
> have to fix it. :-)
>
> John
>
> On Jul 18, 2005, at 2:17 PM, Curt wrote:
>
>> John,
>> Since you have changed from DC circuits to AC circuits,  I gotta ask, 
>> why use a solid state device for energy absorption when a simple 
>> rugged RC circuit does well?
>> I've not seen these quenching/spike diodes you mention used anywhere 
>> on contacts or coils. Are these simply zenors?
>> On your tubes.....5Y3GT 's? I think I've still got a few of those.....
>> Curt Holland
>> Gastonia, NC
>
>
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jul 19 04:41:36 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:41:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Stickney Fuel Pumps
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F16C0AACC86E36CC5C855F995D50@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY108-F16C0AACC86E36CC5C855F995D50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42DCE6F0.8040301@imc-group.com>

Steve has asked I post a couple of pictures of the lobe side of his cam 
box.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Stickney/stevestickney%201.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Stickney/stevestickney%202.jpg

Or if those don't work try:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Stickney/stevestickney 1.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Stickney/stevestickney 2.jpg

One difference I see right off is that the 2 dowel pin holes are above 
and below the stub sticking off the side of the cam box. On the earlier 
models those holes were left and right of the stub. I'll try and work up 
an assembly drawing showing the fuel pump, priming lever, roller, and 
cam all together to see if it looks like those dimensions will match yours.
Curt

Steve Royster wrote:

>
> I need help from the Stickney experts on the list:  As you know Curt 
> Holland is having castings done to replicate Stickney fuel pumps. He 
> has used as the pattern the regular sized (Large Cambox) pump as a 
> Pattern.  I have a small cambox Stickney and wondered if they would 
> interchange. I have heard opinions both ways and wondered if anyone 
> has tried it or knows for sure if they are interchangeable or if they 
> will work with modifications. Many thanks, Steve Royster
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Jul 19 05:42:22 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 06:42:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] IHC photo
References: <1fb.c892f56.30083019@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV19C5B1131AB0A32FB16094BBD40@phx.gbl>

Thanks Tom...yup sure looks like it.

later
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC photo


> In a message dated 7/14/2005 9:25:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:
>
> << what is the machine in the back,, up against the wall??
>  seed cleaner/sorter >>
>
>
> Rick,
>
> It appears to be another International engine, tray cooled, on wagon with
> high rise seat and foot rest.  If you have the 150 Years of IH book, check 
> pg 113.
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
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From andyglines at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 19 06:09:32 2005
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:09:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RE: Paint and primer
In-Reply-To: <200507161000.j6GA0AuB022215@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F868E6F63B02A6729A4E45C7D40@phx.gbl>


>Message: 6
>Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:08:22 -0400
>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Paint and primer
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <42D7D166.3010209 at imc-group.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

>Andy,
>Like the shellac, any solvent based primer is going to lift even under
>the best 2 part top coats if a solvent like gasoline spends much time on
>the paint. For years I used lacquer based primer surfacers on both
>automotive finishes and engines. These were top coated with Dupont
>Imron. This combination works fine on automobile finishes because you
>rarely have scratches/chips combined with the presence of gasoline. On
>engines it is a different story. This is why I have finally made the
>switch to 2 part primers. This way the primer is as inert to the
>gasoline as is the top coat. Nothing other than sand blasting will lift
>the paint on an engine/tractor painted with 2 part primer and then 2
>part color coat.
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:07:47 +0000
>From: mullt at att.net
>Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Paint and primer
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID:

>
>Sooo....if you are like me and you screw the paint job up when you are 
>spraying it on, the only way to fix the screw up is to sand blast it off 
>and start over.
>
>Tom in St. Louis
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------

Agree with you Curt we are always better off with a better primer coat.  In 
fact I learned a little here.  I didn't know how much better until now.   
Tom, no you don't have to sandblast to bare metal to fix a mistake or repair 
some damage.  You do have to follow the manufacturer's directions for 
applying additional coats and doing repairs.  They should tell you how to 
apply to product for the best results.   For exapmle:  My I can put multiple 
coats of Delstar if I want to.  The instructions tell me that additional 
coats must be applied almost immediately or I have to wait about two weeks.  
If I follow their instructions, all will work well.  When you buy high 
quality paints like PPG or Dupont don't be afraid to ask lots of questions 
of the folks behind the counter.  They know how your product is to be 
applied and what the best conditions are for application.  If they don't 
know their product backwards & forwards buy your paint elsewhere.




From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jul 19 10:50:51 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:50:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Stickney Fuel Pumps
In-Reply-To: <42DC0A92.1070408@imc-group.com>
References: <BAY108-F16C0AACC86E36CC5C855F995D50@phx.gbl>
	<42DC0A92.1070408@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <42DD3D7B.4090107@imc-group.com>

Steve,
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Stickney/LayoutSteve.bmp>
Is a layout of the pump, priming lever, bolt, and cam. You'll see a 2.5 
dimension from the cam box to the edge of the cam lobe.
I am missing the horizontal dimension from the camshaft centerline to 
the centerline of the stub the fuel pump bolts too. I'll try to measure 
that on my engine if no one else knows the measurement.
Curt


> To assist here is a picture of the fuel pump on the older/larger cam 
> box Stickney.
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/FuelPump/PB120024.JPG> 
>
> Steve, can you post a picture of the cam lobe side of the cam box? 
> That might help us determine. Maybe a few measurements....
> I can post an image of mine (old style) and perhaps compare.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> Steve Royster wrote:
>
>>
>> I need help from the Stickney experts on the list:  As you know Curt 
>> Holland is having castings done to replicate Stickney fuel pumps. He 
>> has used as the pattern the regular sized (Large Cambox) pump as a 
>> Pattern.  I have a small cambox Stickney and wondered if they would 
>> interchange. I have heard opinions both ways and wondered if anyone 
>> has tried it or knows for sure if they are interchangeable or if they 
>> will work with modifications. Many thanks, Steve Royster
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 19 11:41:52 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:41:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Stickney Fuel Pumps
In-Reply-To: <42DD3D7B.4090107@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F10029F3AE763F4B83BCE7D95D40@phx.gbl>

Thanks Curt, I'll measure mine tonight. Steve

>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Stickney Fuel Pumps
>Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:50:51 -0400
>
>Steve,
><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Stickney/LayoutSteve.bmp>
>Is a layout of the pump, priming lever, bolt, and cam. You'll see a 2.5 
>dimension from the cam box to the edge of the cam lobe.
>I am missing the horizontal dimension from the camshaft centerline to the 
>centerline of the stub the fuel pump bolts too. I'll try to measure that on 
>my engine if no one else knows the measurement.
>Curt
>
>
>>To assist here is a picture of the fuel pump on the older/larger cam box 
>>Stickney.
>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/FuelPump/PB120024.JPG>
>>
>>Steve, can you post a picture of the cam lobe side of the cam box? That 
>>might help us determine. Maybe a few measurements....
>>I can post an image of mine (old style) and perhaps compare.
>>Curt Holland
>>Gastonia, NC
>>
>>Steve Royster wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I need help from the Stickney experts on the list:  As you know Curt 
>>>Holland is having castings done to replicate Stickney fuel pumps. He has 
>>>used as the pattern the regular sized (Large Cambox) pump as a Pattern.  
>>>I have a small cambox Stickney and wondered if they would interchange. I 
>>>have heard opinions both ways and wondered if anyone has tried it or 
>>>knows for sure if they are interchangeable or if they will work with 
>>>modifications. Many thanks, Steve Royster
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul 19 15:32:06 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:32:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
Message-ID: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL>

I would like to talk to some of our Cajun list members, I am trying to figure out how to build a Cajun microwave.

Thanks

From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Jul 19 16:26:25 2005
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:26:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
Message-ID: <E2F600719FA6FF438A680A22A00DA43C093B64BE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

Do a Google search on Cajun microwave.

Lots of sites come up.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Paul Maples
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:32 PM
> To: Stationary Engine List
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
> 
> I would like to talk to some of our Cajun list members, I am 
> trying to figure out how to build a Cajun microwave.
> 
> Thanks
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Jul 19 16:45:46 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:45:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
References: <E2F600719FA6FF438A680A22A00DA43C093B64BE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV3DD180B0F8619585D0D91BBD40@phx.gbl>

Thanks George..I was wondering myself...are you going to D.J. Baisch's show?

thinkin' about it
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:26 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members


> Do a Google search on Cajun microwave.
> 
> Lots of sites come up.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Paul Maples
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:32 PM
> > To: Stationary Engine List
> > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
> > 
> > I would like to talk to some of our Cajun list members, I am 
> > trying to figure out how to build a Cajun microwave.
> > 
> > Thanks
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From mmco at cox-internet.com  Tue Jul 19 16:47:17 2005
From: mmco at cox-internet.com (Bo)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:47:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
References: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <002401c58cbc$32aa9eb0$bda7e244@bo8c0f983ca9d7>

Hi Paul , just think of it as a pretty good size insulated box with a cover 
for the top that makes a good sealing fit that you put your charcoal on to .
All four sides and bottom needs to be well sealed and well insulated . We 
make the inner part using thin stainless , then about 1" of foam ( the kind 
they use to insulate steam lines ) fitted in and next to the stainless box 
,then wrap it all around with lumber or thin aluminum real tight ( also use 
lumber or aluminum on the bottom ) and then make the lid .Lets say the box 
is 2' square ( it should be counter sunk ) , the lid should fit real snug 
when put it on and everything on top of the lid should also be insulated 
EXCEPT for a 1' square right in the center of the lid and that is where you 
put the coals .I also built one with removable racks in it so your meat 
could be stacked at one , two , or three different levels . Light the coals 
, go party and come back in about 6 or seven hours and the meat is ready to 
eat .
Makes me hungry just thinking about it .

Bo Hinch


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:32 PM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members


I would like to talk to some of our Cajun list members, I am trying to 
figure out how to build a Cajun microwave.

Thanks
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us  Tue Jul 19 17:03:36 2005
From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:03:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL>;
	from paulmaples@sbcglobal.net on Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 05:32:06PM
	-0500
References: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <20050719190336.A6865@ralph.lafayette.la.us>

Hi Paul,

On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 05:32:06PM -0500, Paul Maples wrote:
> I would like to talk to some of our Cajun list members, I am trying to
> figure out how to build a Cajun microwave.

I'm not an expert but I am a cajun and I've seen a few cajun microwaves.
The suggested google search will quickly find a few variations of the
design. What are you looking for?

-- 
Pete Alleman - Lafayette, Louisiana, USA
	pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us
	HTTP://ralph.lafayette.la.us


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul 19 17:49:25 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:49:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
References: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL>
	<20050719190336.A6865@ralph.lafayette.la.us>
Message-ID: <00dd01c58cc4$e0f1aa60$230110ac@PAUL>

Hello Pete,

Just heard about these things tonight for the first time. The one the guy 
was describing to me had some racks in it for different levels of cooking, I 
guess. I saw one on Google but it was just a box and I was hoping to talk to 
someone who had one and uses them and could tell me the best way to go about 
this.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Alleman" <pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members


> Hi Paul,
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 05:32:06PM -0500, Paul Maples wrote:
>> I would like to talk to some of our Cajun list members, I am trying to
>> figure out how to build a Cajun microwave.
>
> 



From rex002 at centurytel.net  Tue Jul 19 18:37:44 2005
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:37:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New ISP New DSL New Idenity
Message-ID: <001101c58ccb$a2937670$0201a8c0@mycomputer>

Hi List;

    I was having trouble with my mail to the list , seems my Isp securiyt
took my first name as a sex and not Rex and my last name as somthing worse,
that caused lots of my mail to be considered abusive , I now have a new
Idenity and Isp , it was time to change from the sluggish dial up to DSL
anyway so here is the test ,

CAN ANY BODY HEAR ME ?   :-))    Thanks
Enginegeek
Rex Hinz




From transteck at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 19 18:51:43 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:51:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New ISP New DSL New Idenity
In-Reply-To: <001101c58ccb$a2937670$0201a8c0@mycomputer>
References: <001101c58ccb$a2937670$0201a8c0@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <42DDAE2F.4020307@earthlink.net>

Loud and clear!!


Rex Hinz wrote:

>Hi List;
>
>    I was having trouble with my mail to the list , seems my Isp securiyt
>took my first name as a sex and not Rex and my last name as somthing worse,
>that caused lots of my mail to be considered abusive , I now have a new
>Idenity and Isp , it was time to change from the sluggish dial up to DSL
>anyway so here is the test ,
>
>CAN ANY BODY HEAR ME ?   :-))    Thanks
>Enginegeek
>Rex Hinz
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Jul 19 19:09:21 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:09:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New ISP New DSL New Idenity
Message-ID: <20050719.220921.1308.10.jlb94@juno.com>

I hear ya - 

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us  Tue Jul 19 19:17:37 2005
From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:17:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
In-Reply-To: <00dd01c58cc4$e0f1aa60$230110ac@PAUL>;
	from paulmaples@sbcglobal.net on Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 07:49:25PM
	-0500
References: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL>
	<20050719190336.A6865@ralph.lafayette.la.us>
	<00dd01c58cc4$e0f1aa60$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <20050719211737.A7538@ralph.lafayette.la.us>

On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 07:49:25PM -0500, Paul Maples wrote:
> Just heard about these things tonight for the first time. The one the guy 
> was describing to me had some racks in it for different levels of cooking, I 
> guess. I saw one on Google but it was just a box and I was hoping to talk to 
> someone who had one and uses them and could tell me the best way to go about 
> this.

The ones I've seen are usually about 2 feet wide, 5 feet long, and 2 feet
deep and mostly made of wood. The inside is usually lined with aluminum
foil. The cover is mostly steel with wooden framework to make it fit
tightly on the box. Build a fire on the steel cover and use the radiant
heat to SLOW cook. Most are homemade with a very simple design.

They usually put a whole, cleaned pig in. The pig is stuffed with seasoning
and cooked for about 8 hours. It makes for a fantastic, tender pork. Some
put chickens in there too for a little variety.

-- 
Pete Alleman - Lafayette, Louisiana, USA
	pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us
	HTTP://ralph.lafayette.la.us


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Jul 19 19:26:48 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:26:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New ISP New DSL New Idenity
References: <001101c58ccb$a2937670$0201a8c0@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <014101c58cd2$7d0ea620$3e4d6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Working fine on the left coast.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA 
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 6:37 PM
Subject: [SEL] New ISP New DSL New Idenity


Hi List;

    I was having trouble with my mail to the list , seems my Isp securiyt
took my first name as a sex and not Rex and my last name as somthing worse,
that caused lots of my mail to be considered abusive , I now have a new
Idenity and Isp , it was time to change from the sluggish dial up to DSL
anyway so here is the test ,

CAN ANY BODY HEAR ME ?   :-))    Thanks
Enginegeek
Rex Hinz


_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From transteck at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 19 19:43:37 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:43:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL>
References: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <42DDBA59.7020701@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Ken set up an off topic list some months ago. It really could use more 
traffic, and it's the perfect place for this type of stuff. We can talk 
there about roasting pigs, Cajun microwaves, and all sorts of off topic 
stuff there. That could include lectronics that are not engine related 
too. It is a private invite list and consists of SEL folks who want to 
share non engine stuff. Great place!!

How bought signing on over there and give it a try. I've posted the 
original message below with sign on info. Once your signed on lets talk 
ribs, baby backs, and the best way to cook em. No better way to get 
things going over there. :-)

Jeff Allen

>In order to help keep peace in the stationary engine list family, I have
>created a new
>email list called "Off_Topic" where subscribers can share their problems
>with other
>list folk as long as it is not engine related and not political or
>religious in nature.  Be
>prepared to use the Delete key a lot  :-) 
>
>To subscribe, just go to:
>http://lists.oldiron-nut.com/mailman/listinfo/off_topic 
>
>Take care.
>
>Ken Christison
>www.oldiron-nut.com
>


Paul Maples wrote:

>I would like to talk to some of our Cajun list members, I am trying to figure out how to build a Cajun microwave.
>
>Thanks
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jul 19 20:04:19 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:04:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New ISP New DSL New Idenity
In-Reply-To: <001101c58ccb$a2937670$0201a8c0@mycomputer>
References: <001101c58ccb$a2937670$0201a8c0@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050719230344.03f7b3b0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Sex, ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
         Dave

>CAN ANY BODY HEAR ME ?   :-))    Thanks
>Enginegeek
>Rex Hinz



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Tue Jul 19 20:09:13 2005
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:09:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
In-Reply-To: <20050719211737.A7538@ralph.lafayette.la.us>
References: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL>
	<20050719190336.A6865@ralph.lafayette.la.us>
	<00dd01c58cc4$e0f1aa60$230110ac@PAUL>
	<20050719211737.A7538@ralph.lafayette.la.us>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050719220813.047c3120@mail.herculesengines.com>

Not quite what your talking about but similar in results.  Check out our 
trash can cookers:
http://www.herculesengines.com/Trash%20Can%20Turkey/Index.htm
Keith





At 09:17 PM 7/19/2005, you wrote:
>On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 07:49:25PM -0500, Paul Maples wrote:
> > Just heard about these things tonight for the first time. The one the guy
> > was describing to me had some racks in it for different levels of 
> cooking, I
> > guess. I saw one on Google but it was just a box and I was hoping to 
> talk to
> > someone who had one and uses them and could tell me the best way to go 
> about
> > this.
>
>The ones I've seen are usually about 2 feet wide, 5 feet long, and 2 feet
>deep and mostly made of wood. The inside is usually lined with aluminum
>foil. The cover is mostly steel with wooden framework to make it fit
>tightly on the box. Build a fire on the steel cover and use the radiant
>heat to SLOW cook. Most are homemade with a very simple design.
>
>They usually put a whole, cleaned pig in. The pig is stuffed with seasoning
>and cooked for about 8 hours. It makes for a fantastic, tender pork. Some
>put chickens in there too for a little variety.
>
>--
>Pete Alleman - Lafayette, Louisiana, USA
>         pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us
>         HTTP://ralph.lafayette.la.us
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jul 20 04:32:09 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:32:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
In-Reply-To: <00dd01c58cc4$e0f1aa60$230110ac@PAUL>
References: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL>	<20050719190336.A6865@ralph.lafayette.la.us>
	<00dd01c58cc4$e0f1aa60$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <42DE3639.9040700@imc-group.com>

Paul,
With all the time you spend on engines I'd have never guessed you had 
such a passion for food! HA! :-)
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Paul Maples wrote:

> Hello Pete,
>
> Just heard about these things tonight for the first time. The one the 
> guy was describing to me had some racks in it for different levels of 
> cooking, I guess. I saw one on Google but it was just a box and I was 
> hoping to talk to someone who had one and uses them and could tell me 
> the best way to go about this.
>



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul 19 20:41:32 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:41:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
References: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL><20050719190336.A6865@ralph.lafayette.la.us><00dd01c58cc4$e0f1aa60$230110ac@PAUL><20050719211737.A7538@ralph.lafayette.la.us>
	<6.2.1.2.0.20050719220813.047c3120@mail.herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <000101c58d25$cad17c40$230110ac@PAUL>

Neato Ken, never saw this before. Thanks for posting.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Kinney" <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members


> Not quite what your talking about but similar in results.  Check out our 
> trash can cookers:
> http://www.herculesengines.com/Trash%20Can%20Turkey/Index.htm
> Keith




From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Jul 20 07:20:35 2005
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:20:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] DJ Baisch show?
Message-ID: <E2F600719FA6FF438A680A22A00DA43C0941C7F5@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

 Richard,

I hadn't heard that DJ was having a show.  I know from previous years
that he has the local engine club out to his place for a mini show.

When is it and what do you know about this show?

George

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Strobel
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 4:46 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
> 
> Thanks George..I was wondering myself...are you going to D.J. 
> Baisch's show?
> 
> thinkin' about it
> RickinMt.



From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jul 20 08:48:11 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:48:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...
Message-ID: <20050720.115342.1020.2.jlb94@juno.com>

I have just subscribed to the "Off-Topic" list so I can help "keep peace"
with the SEL..


The only problem I have with this is all the OT stuff I'll miss by
everyone NOT posting OT stuff on the SEL.

"And they wonder why they shoot each other."

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul 20 11:02:23 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:02:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Setup of List Area at Portland
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507201355220.39998@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Its that time of year again; time to discuss who among us can step up
and serve the needs of the many.  We're talking about the annual Portland
land grab.  Namely being at Portland on the Friday before the show (August
21st) to reserve and stake out an area for the folks on the Stationary
Engine List to call their own and setup in.

Do we have one or more volunteers?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jul 20 11:18:49 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:18:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...
In-Reply-To: <20050720.115342.1020.2.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20050720.115342.1020.2.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4384.165.206.180.102.1121883529.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

But Joe, I already have a question - Can you  post an OT message on the OT
list, or, gasp, worse, an engine post on the OT list?

Bill

> I have just subscribed to the "Off-Topic" list so I can help "keep peace"
> with the SEL..
>
>
> The only problem I have with this is all the OT stuff I'll miss by
> everyone NOT posting OT stuff on the SEL.
>
> "And they wonder why they shoot each other."
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>  ,-._,-.         "What I can do,
>  \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jul 20 13:54:44 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:54:44 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Setup of List Area at Portland
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507201355220.39998@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507201355220.39998@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f602516050720135430bef047@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/20/05, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Its that time of year again; time to discuss who among us can step up
> and serve the needs of the many.  We're talking about the annual Portland
> land grab.  Namely being at Portland on the Friday before the show (August
> 21st) to reserve and stake out an area for the folks on the Stationary
> Engine List to call their own and setup in.
> 
> Do we have one or more volunteers?
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero

Do you have a different calendar to us??  Friday is the 19th where we are.... 

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul 20 14:32:27 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:32:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Setup of List Area at Portland
In-Reply-To: <6f602516050720135430bef047@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507201355220.39998@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6f602516050720135430bef047@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507201729380.39998@vegeta.city-net.com>

Well Portland DOES do a wierd local time zone thing, but you're absolutely
correct.  We do need a land rush baron to do some magic for us all on
Friday August 19th.

Thanks for the catch.  The land would be all staked out by others if our
crew didn't arrive until the 21st.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Listerdiesel wrote:

> > Its that time of year again; time to discuss who among us can step up
> > and serve the needs of the many.  We're talking about the annual Portland
> > land grab.  Namely being at Portland on the Friday before the show (August
> > 21st) to reserve and stake out an area for the folks on the Stationary
> > Engine List to call their own and setup in.
> >
> > Do we have one or more volunteers?
>
> Do you have a different calendar to us??  Friday is the 19th where we are....



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jul 20 14:57:44 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:57:44 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Setup of List Area at Portland
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507201729380.39998@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507201355220.39998@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6f602516050720135430bef047@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0507201729380.39998@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f602516050720145732d6a92e@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/20/05, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> Well Portland DOES do a wierd local time zone thing, but you're absolutely
> correct.  We do need a land rush baron to do some magic for us all on
> Friday August 19th.
> 
> Thanks for the catch.  The land would be all staked out by others if our
> crew didn't arrive until the 21st.
> 
> See ya,  Arnie

Glad to help, I was about to rush off and change our flights!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 20 16:35:23 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:35:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...
In-Reply-To: <20050720.115342.1020.2.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20050720.115342.1020.2.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <42DEDFBB.7030202@earthlink.net>

Hi Joe,

If all the SEL folks who like to share OT stuff would join the OT list 
nothing would be missed. The SEL would be a place for engine talk, as it 
should be. The Cajun microwave, electronics, photography, old car 
restoration, etc. would be where they belong. I would love a follow up 
on Bill D's auto restoration. Always love to talk outdoor cooking too. 
Ken's photos are fabulous over there. Come on over and try it folks. 
Sure would love to talk Cajun microwaves with someone who has one. I 
won't do it here though. Wrong forum. IMHO

Jeff Allen

jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

>I have just subscribed to the "Off-Topic" list so I can help "keep peace"
>with the SEL..
>
>
>The only problem I have with this is all the OT stuff I'll miss by
>everyone NOT posting OT stuff on the SEL.
>
>"And they wonder why they shoot each other."
>
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
>jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
> \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
> (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jul 20 17:03:11 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:03:11 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Dean Faiground Organ
Message-ID: <002301c58d87$998e0510$e29281cb@ogborneuah38i3>

A friend of mine has purchased a 32 key Dean Fairground Organ and we have 
invited him to our home for a recital!
As we have distant neighbours [ the organ is LOUD] he can blast out all 
those old Pommie fairground tunes.
This will make a great addition to our local shows .
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jul 20 17:05:20 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:05:20 +0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...
References: <20050720.115342.1020.2.jlb94@juno.com>
	<4384.165.206.180.102.1121883529.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <002901c58d87$e6100c80$e29281cb@ogborneuah38i3>

I don't have a problem with the list as it is . A bit of OT now and then is 
fine and it keeps some of these wankers on their toes.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...


> But Joe, I already have a question - Can you  post an OT message on the OT
> list, or, gasp, worse, an engine post on the OT list?
>
> Bill
>
>> I have just subscribed to the "Off-Topic" list so I can help "keep peace"
>> with the SEL..
>>
>>
>> The only problem I have with this is all the OT stuff I'll miss by
>> everyone NOT posting OT stuff on the SEL.
>>
>> "And they wonder why they shoot each other."
>>
>> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>> jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>>  ,-._,-.         "What I can do,
>>  \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
>>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jul 20 17:05:06 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:05:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...
References: <20050720.115342.1020.2.jlb94@juno.com>
	<42DEDFBB.7030202@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00c001c58d87$ee62f050$230110ac@PAUL>

Hey Jeff I am in the process of subscribing to the O.T. List now. I will let 
you know when I am online and we will discuss Cajun Microwaves.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...


> Hi Joe,
>




From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jul 20 17:19:32 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:19:32 EDT
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...
Message-ID: <97.63b1f85b.30104414@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/20/2005 8:00:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
transteck at earthlink.net writes:

<< Come on over and try it folks. >>


Thanks Jeff, but one "list" is all my simple mind can handle.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 20 18:28:46 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:28:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
References: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL><20050719190336.A6865@ralph.lafayette.la.us>
	<00dd01c58cc4$e0f1aa60$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <004e01c58d95$065f9ca0$24b6f504@x8h7l9>

Paul,

If it is internal combustion, maybe it is not OT.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members


> Hello Pete,
>
> Just heard about these things tonight for the first time. The one the guy
> was describing to me had some racks in it for different levels of cooking,
I
> guess. I saw one on Google but it was just a box and I was hoping to talk
to
> someone who had one and uses them and could tell me the best way to go
about
> this.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Pete Alleman" <pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 7:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
>
>
> > Hi Paul,
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 05:32:06PM -0500, Paul Maples wrote:
> >> I would like to talk to some of our Cajun list members, I am trying to
> >> figure out how to build a Cajun microwave.
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 20 18:37:02 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:37:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
References: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL><20050719190336.A6865@ralph.lafayette.la.us><00dd01c58cc4$e0f1aa60$230110ac@PAUL>
	<20050719211737.A7538@ralph.lafayette.la.us>
Message-ID: <005001c58d95$06fe4da0$24b6f504@x8h7l9>

We have a grill at church which was supported with Pressure Treated wood.
One day the PT wood started to burn and sure gave the steaks a funny flavor.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Alleman" <pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members


> On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 07:49:25PM -0500, Paul Maples wrote:
> > Just heard about these things tonight for the first time. The one the
guy
> > was describing to me had some racks in it for different levels of
cooking, I
> > guess. I saw one on Google but it was just a box and I was hoping to
talk to
> > someone who had one and uses them and could tell me the best way to go
about
> > this.
>
> The ones I've seen are usually about 2 feet wide, 5 feet long, and 2 feet
> deep and mostly made of wood. The inside is usually lined with aluminum
> foil. The cover is mostly steel with wooden framework to make it fit
> tightly on the box. Build a fire on the steel cover and use the radiant
> heat to SLOW cook. Most are homemade with a very simple design.
>
> They usually put a whole, cleaned pig in. The pig is stuffed with
seasoning
> and cooked for about 8 hours. It makes for a fantastic, tender pork. Some
> put chickens in there too for a little variety.
>
> -- 
> Pete Alleman - Lafayette, Louisiana, USA
> pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us
> HTTP://ralph.lafayette.la.us
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Jul 20 19:00:00 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:00:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Damn, it would have been GREAT!
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050720215911.04100d38@mail.alltel.net>

See: 
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7BE2A1975E%2DF6DE%2D4703%2D9EC1%2DF369EE37CD3B%7D&siteid=mktw&dist=
	Dave



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul 20 19:19:12 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:19:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine in Oz (#4563511471)
Message-ID: <1121912352.42df0620e5fa8@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Do any of the Aussie engine men recognize this engine?
Does that look like a huge frost repair to the side of the engine?
Just curious; not planning on bidding on it.  The summary description is a tad
"brief."  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

----- Forwarded message from "eBay Member: fero_ah at city-net.com"

View this Item on eBay at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4563511471

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Old Stationary Engine
Item number: 4563511471
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Seller: kaseyjayne04(0)

Member since Jul-20-05 in Australia
Starting bid: AU $50.00 		
(Approximately?US $37.46)					

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Time left: 6 days 9 hours
7-day listing
Ends Jul-27-0503:50:05 PDT

Item location: South Gundagai, New South Wales
Australia
Ships to: Will arrange for local pickup only (no shipping).

-----------------------------------------------------------------

Summary
OLD STATIONARY ENGINE WITH ORIGINAL CHASSIS AND WHEELS...
GREAT COLLECTORS PIECE WILL NOT BE DISSAPOINTED.

-----------------------------------------------------------------



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Jul 20 19:37:18 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:37:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Damn, it would have been GREAT!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050720215911.04100d38@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050720215911.04100d38@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <20d6a09cbb647ac5a38a05c1cac46ab1@chartertn.net>

Looks like they axed it.

John

On Jul 20, 2005, at 10:00 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> See:  
> http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp? 
> guid=%7BE2A1975E%2DF6DE%2D4703%2D9EC1%2DF369EE37CD3B%7D&siteid=mktw&dis 
> t=
> 	Dave


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Wed Jul 20 19:56:36 2005
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:56:36 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine in Oz (#4563511471)
References: <1121912352.42df0620e5fa8@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <009401c58d9f$cf7f7380$210110ac@service>

Hi Arnie,
that engine is a ronaldson tippett diesel either 6 or 8 hp
it does have a big repair job, very common engine here in  West Aussie.
Cheers, Chester


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old_Engine"
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:19 AM
Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine in Oz (#4563511471)


> Hi Folks,
>
> Do any of the Aussie engine men recognize this engine?
> Does that look like a huge frost repair to the side of the engine?
> Just curious; not planning on bidding on it.  The summary description is a
tad
> "brief."  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> ----- Forwarded message from "eBay Member: fero_ah at city-net.com"
>
> View this Item on eBay at
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4563511471
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Old Stationary Engine
> Item number: 4563511471
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Seller: kaseyjayne04(0)
>
> Member since Jul-20-05 in Australia
> Starting bid: AU $50.00
> (Approximately US $37.46)
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Time left: 6 days 9 hours
> 7-day listing
> Ends Jul-27-0503:50:05 PDT
>
> Item location: South Gundagai, New South Wales
> Australia
> Ships to: Will arrange for local pickup only (no shipping).
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Summary
> OLD STATIONARY ENGINE WITH ORIGINAL CHASSIS AND WHEELS...
> GREAT COLLECTORS PIECE WILL NOT BE DISSAPOINTED.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jul 20 20:02:25 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:02:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
Message-ID: <20050720.230255.1372.8.jlb94@juno.com>

One day the PT wood started to burn and sure gave the steaks a funny
flavor.
=        =        =        =        =        
Probably that arsenic (or is it cyanide?) they pump into it.

Someone told me "You shouldn't burn treated lumber", let alone cook with
it.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
\/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jul 20 20:02:54 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:02:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...
Message-ID: <20050720.230255.1372.9.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Jeff,
I can understand.  And - YES - Some subjects tend to go on forever.

But - Mostly - I think the SEL stays "engine".

I guess we'll see how it goes.

Thanks

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
\/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jul 20 20:58:52 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:58:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
References: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL><20050719190336.A6865@ralph.lafayette.la.us><00dd01c58cc4$e0f1aa60$230110ac@PAUL><20050719211737.A7538@ralph.lafayette.la.us>
	<005001c58d95$06fe4da0$24b6f504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <016501c58dab$bb439660$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I am amazed you are still here to tell us about it!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members


> We have a grill at church which was supported with Pressure Treated wood.
> One day the PT wood started to burn and sure gave the steaks a funny 
> flavor.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT




From guitronics at comcast.net  Thu Jul 21 01:50:49 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 04:50:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
In-Reply-To: <004e01c58d95$065f9ca0$24b6f504@x8h7l9>
References: <00bb01c58cb1$ddcff2a0$230110ac@PAUL><20050719190336.A6865@ralph.lafayette.la.us>	<00dd01c58cc4$e0f1aa60$230110ac@PAUL>
	<004e01c58d95$065f9ca0$24b6f504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <42DF61E9.2060007@comcast.net>

What if it's external combustion?

ED wrote:

>Paul,
>
>If it is internal combustion, maybe it is not OT.
>
>Ed Stoller
>New Fairfield, CT
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 8:49 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
>
>
>  
>
>>Hello Pete,
>>
>>Just heard about these things tonight for the first time. The one the guy
>>was describing to me had some racks in it for different levels of cooking,
>>    
>>
>I
>  
>
>>guess. I saw one on Google but it was just a box and I was hoping to talk
>>    
>>
>to
>  
>
>>someone who had one and uses them and could tell me the best way to go
>>    
>>
>about
>  
>
>>this.
>>
>>Paul
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Pete Alleman" <pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 7:03 PM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hi Paul,
>>>
>>>On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 05:32:06PM -0500, Paul Maples wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I would like to talk to some of our Cajun list members, I am trying to
>>>>figure out how to build a Cajun microwave.
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>  
>


From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Wed Jul 20 20:30:10 2005
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:30:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members
  AND!!!...
In-Reply-To: <00c001c58d87$ee62f050$230110ac@PAUL>
References: <20050720.115342.1020.2.jlb94@juno.com>
	<42DEDFBB.7030202@earthlink.net>
	<00c001c58d87$ee62f050$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050720222944.04824378@mail.herculesengines.com>

How do you subscribe to the OT list?
Thanks.
Keith

At 07:05 PM 7/20/2005, you wrote:
>Hey Jeff I am in the process of subscribing to the O.T. List now. I will 
>let you know when I am online and we will discuss Cajun Microwaves.
>
>Paul
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 6:35 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...
>
>
>>Hi Joe,
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jul 21 04:52:33 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 04:52:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...
In-Reply-To: <20050720.230255.1372.9.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20050720.230255.1372.9.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <1888.165.206.180.102.1121946753.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

At least it ain't cow prolapses........

Bill

> Hi Jeff,
> I can understand.  And - YES - Some subjects tend to go on forever.
>
> But - Mostly - I think the SEL stays "engine".
>
> I guess we'll see how it goes.
>
> Thanks
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.         "What I can do,
> \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
> (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jul 21 04:58:13 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 04:58:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Damn, it would have been GREAT!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050720215911.04100d38@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050720215911.04100d38@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <1928.165.206.180.102.1121947093.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

The very last thing the employees of Maytag here in Iowa want or need is a
"holding company" like these "investors" buying the company. Been through
that sort of stuff. It's never pretty for the company or the people who
work there.
They would be better off if Whirlpool buys. Actually, they'd have been
better off if the jerks who made it into top management at Maytag had died
during birth.
Fred's gotta be turning in his grave

Bill

> See:
> http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7BE2A1975E%2DF6DE%2D4703%2D9EC1%2DF369EE37CD3B%7D&siteid=mktw&dist=
> 	Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jul 21 07:56:10 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:56:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Interesting Tool
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV21A91BDEA54130B7022726BBD60@phx.gbl>

  We found this in spud heads FIL's shop.  Anyone want to take a guess at 
it?  Not the rake:-)

http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556018qgDHpU

  Warm in Mt.
Rick 


From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jul 21 08:46:00 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:46:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to some Cajun List Members AND!!!...
Message-ID: <20050721.115614.860.4.jlb94@juno.com>

How do you subscribe to the OT list?
Thanks.
Keith
=        =        =        =        =        =        =        
Try here Keith,
Off_Topic at oldiron-nut.com 


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Thu Jul 21 09:27:05 2005
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:27:05 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Interesting Tool
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV21A91BDEA54130B7022726BBD60@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV21A91BDEA54130B7022726BBD60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <VEWPaqkZz83CFwoJ@loud-n-clear.net>

In message <BAY5-DAV21A91BDEA54130B7022726BBD60 at phx.gbl>, Richard 
Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> writes
>  We found this in spud heads FIL's shop.  Anyone want to take a guess at
>it?  Not the rake:-)
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556018qgDHpU
>
>  Warm in Mt.
>Rick

It was the cow magnet and installer what gave it away :-)

I think this is part of another veterinary tool - there should be a 
serrated rod or rack that goes with it, and a sort of winch handle or 
"come-along"-type jacking device.  I think this is used to deliver 
calves...

I could be completely wrong, of course :-)

Regards

      Pete

-- 
Peter Scales



From falcon at telenet.net  Thu Jul 21 09:41:54 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:41:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Interesting Tool
References: <BAY5-DAV21A91BDEA54130B7022726BBD60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <006a01c58e13$1ae894a0$2e5c14d0@net.telenet.net>

Axle adjustment truss?

Steve Williams

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:56 AM
Subject: [SEL] Interesting Tool


>   We found this in spud heads FIL's shop.  Anyone want to take a guess
at
> it?  Not the rake:-)
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556018qgDHpU
>
>   Warm in Mt.
> Rick
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From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jul 21 12:21:39 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:21:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Exhaust valve cages.
Message-ID: <42DFF5C3.4040104@imc-group.com>

It won't be long and I'll be bolting the exhaust valve cage into the 
Baker Monitor and painting the engine. Hopefully Saturday morning.
When putting one of these tapered valve cages in place is it customary 
to use any kind of high temp. sealer/dope? Or is it just cast on cast?
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
Cart and engine (some assembly required)
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/P7140139.JPG>


From BillMil357 at aol.com  Thu Jul 21 14:38:37 2005
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:38:37 EDT
Subject: [SEL] IH Red Power Roundup (Show Lebanon TN.)
Message-ID: <ac.779d559d.30116fdd@aol.com>

Hey Men,
 
Are any of you going to the RPRU (Red Power Round Up) All antique IH Farm  
equipment including IH Hit and Miss engines, my Grandson and I are going and  
stay Fri. and Sat. and I am taking a Cub Cadet that I just finished restoring,  
which is 32 years old.
 
See'ya
 
Bill Miller.


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jul 21 16:12:01 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:12:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Exhaust valve cages.
References: <42DFF5C3.4040104@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <006201c58e49$b22345a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

The fit should be good enough for a meta to metal contact but, a bit of 
Neverseize is the go.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 5:21 AM
Subject: [SEL] Exhaust valve cages.


> It won't be long and I'll be bolting the exhaust valve cage into the Baker 
> Monitor and painting the engine. Hopefully Saturday morning.
> When putting one of these tapered valve cages in place is it customary to 
> use any kind of high temp. sealer/dope? Or is it just cast on cast?




From glenn.karch at gte.net  Thu Jul 21 18:50:20 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:50:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 3 HP Gade
Message-ID: <003901c58e5f$b9d04a80$68ff123f@oemcomputer>

Here's one for somebody.  I have an email from Minnestoa about a 3 HP Gade
engine that will be offered for sale by the daugter of the original owner.
There are 4 other engines too.  Contact me for details.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian



From dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul 21 19:35:16 2005
From: dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net (Doug Pfaff)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:35:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Interesting Tool
In-Reply-To: <006a01c58e13$1ae894a0$2e5c14d0@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <20050722023516.67570.qmail@web81202.mail.yahoo.com>

It's obviously a whatchamacallit.:)

--- "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net> wrote:

> Axle adjustment truss?
> 
> Steve Williams
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:56 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Interesting Tool
> 
> 
> >   We found this in spud heads FIL's shop.  Anyone
> want to take a guess
> at
> > it?  Not the rake:-)
> >
> >
>
http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556018qgDHpU
> >
> >   Warm in Mt.
> > Rick
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >
>
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> 
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>
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jul 21 20:14:42 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:14:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IH Red Power Roundup (Show Lebanon TN.)
In-Reply-To: <ac.779d559d.30116fdd@aol.com>
References: <ac.779d559d.30116fdd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42E064A2.7030708@scrtc.com>

Bill,

    I'm there now.  Its about 95 miles south of me.  There aren't a lot 
of gas engines there (maybe 30 or so) but I've never seen so many 
Farmall and IH tractors in all my life.  I would bet there are a couple 
thousand, every model and design you can think of.  There are vehicle 
exhibits, antique IH cars, etc.  They have excellent, roomy show grounds 
and appear to be doing the show the right way.  Hope to see ya there!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



BillMil357 at aol.com wrote:

>Hey Men,
> 
>Are any of you going to the RPRU (Red Power Round Up) All antique IH Farm  
>equipment including IH Hit and Miss engines, my Grandson and I are going and  
>stay Fri. and Sat. and I am taking a Cub Cadet that I just finished restoring,  
>which is 32 years old.
> 
>See'ya
> 
>Bill Miller.
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From BillMil357 at aol.com  Thu Jul 21 20:57:40 2005
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:57:40 EDT
Subject: [SEL] IH Red Power Roundup (Show Lebanon TN.)
Message-ID: <b7.5c543419.3011c8b4@aol.com>

Hi Tommy,
 
I am glad you are there, it will be good to see you again, I only met you  
one time at the SIAM show a few years back. My 12 yr. old grandson and I are  
getting up at 5 AM tomorrow and heading out, we should be there around the  
middle of the morning.
 
See'ya,
 
Bill Miller


From gibsongus at myway.com  Thu Jul 21 22:45:14 2005
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 01:45:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] IH Red Power Roundup (Show Lebanon TN.)
Message-ID: <20050722054514.5744E398F@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 Judge Tom, did you see any B275s there???-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Thu 07/21, Judge Tommy Turner &lt; lcjudge at scrtc.com &gt; wrote:
From: Judge Tommy Turner [mailto: lcjudge at scrtc.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:14:42 -0400Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Red Power Roundup (Show Lebanon TN.)Bill,I'm there now. Its about 95 miles south of me. There aren't a lot of gas engines there (maybe 30 or so) but I've never seen so many Farmall and IH tractors in all my life. I would bet there are a couple thousand, every model and design you can think of. There are vehicle exhibits, antique IH cars, etc. They have excellent, roomy show grounds and appear to be doing the show the right way. Hope to see ya there!Tommy TurnerMagnolia, KYBillMil357 at aol.com wrote:&gt;Hey Men,&gt; &gt;Are any of you going to the RPRU (Red Power Round Up) All antique IH Farm &gt;equipment including IH Hit and Miss engines, my Grandson and I are going and &gt;stay Fri. and Sat. and I am taking a Cub Cadet that I just finished restoring, &gt;which is 32 years old.&gt; &gt;See'ya&gt; &gt;Bill 
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Jul 21 23:03:50 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 02:03:50 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Briggs & Stratton Model ZZ Status
Message-ID: <1f3.e1960e1.3011e646@aol.com>

Hi List,
After cleaning up the Briggs & Stratton Model ZZ, I was able to  find out why 
it wasn't able to run.  
First of all, the carburetor governor linkage had to be fabricated  since it 
was missing.  This was a challenge as there was no other engine  around to 
copy the assembly.  A linkage assembly was made from a piece  of welding rod and 
a large nail.  The welding rod was bent so that it  operation would not 
interfere with the shroud or carburetor housing.  The  nail became the hinge point 
for the welding rod linkage and was fastened to the  end of governor control 
rod.  The spring assembly that connects to the  other end of the governor 
control arm was also missing.  A new assembly was  made from a tension spring, 
cotter key, and a piece of welding rod.  The  spring assembly keeps the 
carburetor's valve plate in the open position.   Once the engine starts, the governor 
action causes this carburetor valve plate  to close via the carburetor governor 
linkage.  
Next, the shroud and flywheel were removed to gain access to  the magneto 
points.  The points were dressed with a file and a  new condenser was installed.  
The high tension spark plug wire was also  replaced.  The magneto shut off 
wire was gone and had to be replaced.  The gasoline tank was in good shape.  The 
only thing that  had to be done was to modify the fuel shut off valve with a 
"T" handle so it  could be operated without the use of a pair of pliers.  The 
fix was  simple.  A hole (sized for the "T" handle) was drilled in  the end of 
the valve and a piece of round material (welding rod) was  inserted.
The intake air oil bath filter was covered and caked with  dirt.  This 
assembly was cleaned and a couple of brackets had to be  welded.  New "O ring" seal 
and gaskets were used during the reinstallation  of the oil bath filter.
The muffler was fabricated from a piece of rectangular tubing and  half of a 
1" pipe coupling.  
This engine had not been operated for several years.   Therefore, when I got 
ready to start it, I decided to use an electric motor to  initially spin it.  
I installed a large diameter Vee belt pulley on the  engine's output shaft.  
First, the engine was spun with the spark plug removed to verify  that the 
magneto was working.  Next, a little starting fluid was into  the spark plug 
hole before the spark plug was  reinstalled.  Spinning the engine again, it fired 
and then  died as I hadn't poured any gasoline into the tank.
Then, about a quart of gasoline was poured into the gas tank, fuel  shut off 
valve was opened, and the engine was spun again with choke  closed.  The 
engine fired but was running very rough.  Adjusting the  idle valve on the 
carburetor, the engine began to operate a little  better. The engine continued to run 
rough as the RPM of the  engine was increased, .  A little adjustment of the 
high speed control  valve corrected some high RPM rough running condition.  
However,  readjusting both the idle and high speed back and forth corrected the 
rough  engine operating condition in both the idle and high RPM  conditions.
The engine can now be started with the pull rope.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Fri Jul 22 07:29:57 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:29:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Briggs & Stratton Model ZZ Status
In-Reply-To: <1f3.e1960e1.3011e646@aol.com>
References: <1f3.e1960e1.3011e646@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050722072907.01add450@mail.pennswoods.net>

OH WHAT WOULD WE DO WITH OUT WELDING RODS AND NAILS.
R Fink




At 02:03 AM 7/22/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi List,
>After cleaning up the Briggs & Stratton Model ZZ, I was able to  find out why
>it wasn't able to run.
>First of all, the carburetor governor linkage had to be fabricated  since it
>was missing.  This was a challenge as there was no other engine  around to
>copy the assembly.  A linkage assembly was made from a piece  of welding 
>rod and
>a large nail.  The welding rod was bent so that it  operation would not
>interfere with the shroud or carburetor housing.  The  nail became the 
>hinge point
>for the welding rod linkage and was fastened to the  end of governor control
>rod.  The spring assembly that connects to the  other end of the governor
>control arm was also missing.  A new assembly was  made from a tension 
>spring,
>cotter key, and a piece of welding rod.  The  spring assembly keeps the
>carburetor's valve plate in the open position.   Once the engine starts, 
>the governor
>action causes this carburetor valve plate  to close via the carburetor 
>governor
>linkage.
>Next, the shroud and flywheel were removed to gain access to  the magneto
>points.  The points were dressed with a file and a  new condenser was 
>installed.
>The high tension spark plug wire was also  replaced.  The magneto shut off
>wire was gone and had to be replaced.  The gasoline tank was in good 
>shape.  The
>only thing that  had to be done was to modify the fuel shut off valve with a
>"T" handle so it  could be operated without the use of a pair of pliers.  The
>fix was  simple.  A hole (sized for the "T" handle) was drilled in  the 
>end of
>the valve and a piece of round material (welding rod) was  inserted.
>The intake air oil bath filter was covered and caked with  dirt.  This
>assembly was cleaned and a couple of brackets had to be  welded.  New "O 
>ring" seal
>and gaskets were used during the reinstallation  of the oil bath filter.
>The muffler was fabricated from a piece of rectangular tubing and  half of a
>1" pipe coupling.
>This engine had not been operated for several years.   Therefore, when I got
>ready to start it, I decided to use an electric motor to  initially spin it.
>I installed a large diameter Vee belt pulley on the  engine's output shaft.
>First, the engine was spun with the spark plug removed to verify  that the
>magneto was working.  Next, a little starting fluid was into  the spark plug
>hole before the spark plug was  reinstalled.  Spinning the engine again, 
>it fired
>and then  died as I hadn't poured any gasoline into the tank.
>Then, about a quart of gasoline was poured into the gas tank, fuel  shut off
>valve was opened, and the engine was spun again with choke  closed.  The
>engine fired but was running very rough.  Adjusting the  idle valve on the
>carburetor, the engine began to operate a little  better. The engine 
>continued to run
>rough as the RPM of the  engine was increased, .  A little adjustment of the
>high speed control  valve corrected some high RPM rough running condition.
>However,  readjusting both the idle and high speed back and forth 
>corrected the
>rough  engine operating condition in both the idle and high RPM  conditions.
>The engine can now be started with the pull rope.
>
>Francis Maciel
>Santa Maria,  CA
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jul 22 04:57:20 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 05:57:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Briggs & Stratton Model ZZ Status
References: <1f3.e1960e1.3011e646@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1415A9A4665BA8D94CC14DBBC90@phx.gbl>

Good fer you Francis!!  Looks like you're getting a pretty good handle on 
those engines.  What's next?

RickinMt.




> Hi List,
> After cleaning up the Briggs & Stratton Model ZZ, I was able to  find out 
> why
> it wasn't able to run. 


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Jul 22 05:06:29 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:06:29 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Briggs & Stratton Model ZZ Status
Message-ID: <97.63cc0ecb.30123b45@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/22/2005 4:55:51 AM Pacific Standard Time,  
nancydick at pennswoods.net writes:

OH WHAT  WOULD WE DO WITH OUT WELDING RODS AND NAILS.


One thing that I have found out about this group, they seem to use  what ever 
is available to make do.  I am a good learner!  

Francis



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jul 22 05:10:05 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:10:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IH Red Power Roundup (Show Lebanon TN.)
In-Reply-To: <20050722054514.5744E398F@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20050722054514.5744E398F@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <42E0E21D.3070705@scrtc.com>

Gus,

    I don't remember but will try to look around today to see if there 
are any.  There is a BUNCH of red there and I would think there is a 
possibility there is one on the grounds.  If so, do you want me to snap 
a photo of it for you?

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




> Judge Tom, did you see any B275s there???-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- 
>  
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jul 22 05:34:58 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 06:34:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV7862FA717A4BB17D53384BBC90@phx.gbl>

  Howdy all again;

  Along with the rail bending tool, we picked up this pretty neat chainsaw. 
The chainbar rotates leaving the engine upright.  All we can find is a 
casting mark "Titan."

  Any info available on these man killers:-)) whew!!

http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556295pxakmC

RickinMt. 


From christison at coastalnet.com  Fri Jul 22 06:20:01 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:20:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
Message-ID: <410-22005752213201937@coastalnet.com>

Check out this page:
http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/GasbyManufacturer?OpenView&Start=117

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 7/22/2005 8:35:01 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
>
>   Howdy all again;
>
>   Along with the rail bending tool, we picked up this pretty neat
chainsaw. 
> The chainbar rotates leaving the engine upright.  All we can find is a 
> casting mark "Titan."
>
>   Any info available on these man killers:-)) whew!!
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556295pxakmC
>
> RickinMt. 





From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jul 22 06:53:49 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:53:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
References: <410-22005752213201937@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1886EA0B9A916CCFE8B50BBBC90@phx.gbl>

Thanx much, Ken...looks like it's a 40.  Wonder if 50:1 modern day mix would 
werk ok?  Little tweakin' and the ole girl might fire.

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Christison" <christison at coastalnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 7:20 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Titan chainsaw


> Check out this page:
> http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/GasbyManufacturer?OpenView&Start=117
>
> Ken
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 7/22/2005 8:35:01 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
> >
> >   Howdy all again;
> >
> >   Along with the rail bending tool, we picked up this pretty neat
> chainsaw.
> > The chainbar rotates leaving the engine upright.  All we can find is a
> > casting mark "Titan."
> >
> >   Any info available on these man killers:-)) whew!!
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556295pxakmC
> >
> > RickinMt.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jul 22 07:38:56 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:38:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV55095EA435228AA9C7DC5BBC90@phx.gbl>

  Thot everyone might like to know that today is Ted's Birthday.  Bet he'd 
like to get a birthday wish from us all.

email him at:

ignitors at sbcglobal.net

Hope he's doing WELL!!!

RickinMt. 


From solarrog at pacbell.net  Fri Jul 22 07:49:20 2005
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:49:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
References: <410-22005752213201937@coastalnet.com>
	<BAY5-DAV1886EA0B9A916CCFE8B50BBBC90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002a01c58ecc$907e3530$2f6b7343@D6R3D961>

I would 16 to 1 on that old saw. 50 to 1 is only good for the jeweled 
engines of today

Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate,
The Realty Experts
Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc
Collector of antique engines
Website; scrapologist.com
Ham Radio; KG6QKZ
Fremont,Ca
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Titan chainsaw


> Thanx much, Ken...looks like it's a 40.  Wonder if 50:1 modern day mix 
> would werk ok?  Little tweakin' and the ole girl might fire.
>
> Rick
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ken Christison" <christison at coastalnet.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 7:20 AM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
>
>
>> Check out this page:
>> http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/GasbyManufacturer?OpenView&Start=117
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>> > [Original Message]
>> > From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>> > To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> > Date: 7/22/2005 8:35:01 AM
>> > Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
>> >
>> >   Howdy all again;
>> >
>> >   Along with the rail bending tool, we picked up this pretty neat
>> chainsaw.
>> > The chainbar rotates leaving the engine upright.  All we can find is a
>> > casting mark "Titan."
>> >
>> >   Any info available on these man killers:-)) whew!!
>> >
>> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556295pxakmC
>> >
>> > RickinMt.
>>
>>
>>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jul 22 08:10:56 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:10:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy
References: <BAY5-DAV55095EA435228AA9C7DC5BBC90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <008501c58ecf$9136cf70$230110ac@PAUL>

It's done Richard. Thanks

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 9:38 AM
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy


>  Thot everyone might like to know that today is Ted's Birthday.  Bet he'd 
> like to get a birthday wish from us all.
> 



From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jul 22 08:15:22 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:15:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV55095EA435228AA9C7DC5BBC90@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV55095EA435228AA9C7DC5BBC90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1339.165.206.180.102.1122045322.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

I was actually thinking of Ted when I ran my Simplicity 1.5 at Waukee last
weekend - he made the mag trip support and mechanism and helped me when I
bought a bracket for it several years back.
Thanks to Ted it ran all weekend without a hitch and has a HOT mag.

Bill

>   Thot everyone might like to know that today is Ted's Birthday.  Bet he'd
> like to get a birthday wish from us all.
>
> email him at:
>
> ignitors at sbcglobal.net
>
> Hope he's doing WELL!!!
>
> RickinMt.
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From Jdragoset at galvotec.com  Fri Jul 22 11:21:52 2005
From: Jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:21:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV1886EA0B9A916CCFE8B50BBBC90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <LJENJGOEJJENFCJNAJBGOEOPDDAA.Jdragoset@galvotec.com>

Rick,
The spec sheet says 1.5 pints per gallon of fuel equals 5.3 to 1 ratio.
Seems like an awful lot of oil!
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard
Strobel
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 8:54 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Titan chainsaw


Thanx much, Ken...looks like it's a 40.  Wonder if 50:1 modern day mix would
werk ok?  Little tweakin' and the ole girl might fire.

Rick


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Christison" <christison at coastalnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 7:20 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Titan chainsaw


> Check out this page:
> http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/GasbyManufacturer?OpenView&Start=117
>
> Ken
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 7/22/2005 8:35:01 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
> >
> >   Howdy all again;
> >
> >   Along with the rail bending tool, we picked up this pretty neat
> chainsaw.
> > The chainbar rotates leaving the engine upright.  All we can find is a
> > casting mark "Titan."
> >
> >   Any info available on these man killers:-)) whew!!
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556295pxakmC
> >
> > RickinMt.
>
>
>
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From bmvid at snet.net  Fri Jul 22 12:46:34 2005
From: bmvid at snet.net (Mick DeMaria)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:46:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV7862FA717A4BB17D53384BBC90@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV7862FA717A4BB17D53384BBC90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42E14D1A.6040809@snet.net>

  I got a Mall model 6 running last winter. The duel exhaust looks 
pretty cool! It ran good at 32:1 although we didn't work it very hard. 
The spec sheet says it has a chrome bore. Did they really have such a 
thing so long ago?
  It looked similar but not exactly like this link:
http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/ed1d619968136da688256af40002b8f7/15c4fb43d8f3f83288256af5000dc244?OpenDocument

  Mick


Richard Strobel wrote:
>   Howdy all again;
> 
>   Along with the rail bending tool, we picked up this pretty neat chainsaw. 
> The chainbar rotates leaving the engine upright.  All we can find is a 
> casting mark "Titan."
> 
>   Any info available on these man killers:-)) whew!!
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556295pxakmC
> 
> RickinMt. 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Jul 22 22:11:01 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:11:01
Subject: [SEL] Re: Interesting Tool (Peter Scales)
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050722221101.009da7a0@127.0.0.1>

Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:27:05 +0100
From: Peter Scales <peter at loud-n-clear.net>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting Tool

In message <BAY5-DAV21A91BDEA54130B7022726BBD60 at phx.gbl>, Richard 
Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> writes
>  We found this in spud heads FIL's shop.  Anyone want to take a guess at
>it?  
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556018qgDHpU


	It is an iron age boomerang invented in Zimbabwe (Africa) about 4000 years
ago. The heavy weight was required to bring down large animals like
elephants and rhinoceros. Once the animal was down the job was finished off
with a sharp pronged device like the one in the foreground of the picture. 
	Being an invention of African origin it had many flaws, the main one being
it's inability to return to the thrower if he missed the target. Legend has
it that on one such occasion one of them carried on going until it hit a
big rock in Australia. There it was found by an Aboriginal tribe who, being
far more intelligent than their African counterparts, developed one that
actually returned to the thrower. Another improvement that the Aboriginals
made was to fabricate it from wood (they had not learnt how to steal yet -
sorry I mean had not learnt to smelt steel yet.) as the kangaroos and the
like that they hunted did not need such a heavy boomerang to bring them down.

	The name "Boomerang" is actually of African origin (sorry Aus!!) and came
about from the noise an early victim heard when one hit him on the head by
mistake - "BOOM". So originally it was just known as a "BOOM". Later when
they trained monkeys to retrieve them these monkeys were called "Boom
orangatang's" and by natural progression the name was eventually corrupted
to Boomerang.
	
	I trust that this clears up the mystery of the "Interesting tool" and also
credits Africa as being the original inventors of the Boomerang, an idea
wrongly claimed by Australia as being theirs.

	



Best regards
Jerry Evans.
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From rex002 at centurytel.net  Fri Jul 22 14:08:23 2005
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:08:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy
References: <BAY5-DAV55095EA435228AA9C7DC5BBC90@phx.gbl>
	<1339.165.206.180.102.1122045322.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <001301c58f01$81b92160$0201a8c0@mycomputer>

Hi Bill:

    Do you know the year your 1.5 simplicity was built ? My 1.5 has a
squared off back where the crank cover  would bolt on with two bolts , I
beleive it would have been made of tin , a while back I saw a 1.5
simplicity with a rounded back that has 4 bolts and most likly took a cast
crank cover , did they make more then one model 1.5 ? mine is a model U
serial # 1950 , I am running it on coil bat. but am thinking of putting it
back on mag if I can find all the parts. thanks

Rex

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy


> I was actually thinking of Ted when I ran my Simplicity 1.5 at Waukee last
> weekend - he made the mag trip support and mechanism and helped me when I
> bought a bracket for it several years back.
> Thanks to Ted it ran all weekend without a hitch and has a HOT mag.
>
> Bill
>
> >   Thot everyone might like to know that today is Ted's Birthday.  Bet
he'd
> > like to get a birthday wish from us all.
> >
> > email him at:
> >
> > ignitors at sbcglobal.net
> >
> > Hope he's doing WELL!!!
> >
> > RickinMt.
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
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>
>




From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Fri Jul 22 16:00:15 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:00:15 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Interesting Tool
In-Reply-To: <20050722023516.67570.qmail@web81202.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050722023516.67570.qmail@web81202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42E17A7F.8060003@steamengine.com.au>

Looks like a bender of some kind - we use devices similar (but bigger) 
to bend the railway track to make curves.

Paul

Doug Pfaff wrote:
> It's obviously a whatchamacallit.:)
> 
> --- "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Axle adjustment truss?
>>
>>Steve Williams
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>>To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:56 AM
>>Subject: [SEL] Interesting Tool
>>
>>
>>
>>>  We found this in spud heads FIL's shop.  Anyone
>>
>>want to take a guess
>>at
>>
>>>it?  Not the rake:-)
>>>
>>>
>>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556018qgDHpU
> 
>>>  Warm in Mt.
>>>Rick
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>
>>
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jul 22 16:10:55 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:10:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Interesting Tool (Peter Scales)
References: <3.0.6.32.20050722221101.009da7a0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <019601c58f14$7e7daad0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

And while on the subject of Abbos, Do you know why they are called Boongs?
Thats the noise they make when ya hit em with a 4 wheel drive.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>



From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jul 22 09:00:32 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:00:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Briggs & Stratton Model ZZ Status
Message-ID: <20050722.224527.1004.4.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Francis

Glad you got the ZZ running.
And - I like the way you shared your experience with everyone.

Great Job !

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jul 22 20:11:15 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 23:11:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
Message-ID: <20050722.231236.1004.16.jlb94@juno.com>

Rick,
The spec sheet says 1.5 pints per gallon of fuel equals 5.3 to 1 ratio.
Seems like an awful lot of oil!
Jim
=        =        =        =        =        =        =        
And - YOU thought MAYTAGS smoke ?

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From gibsongus at myway.com  Fri Jul 22 21:43:58 2005
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 00:43:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] IH Red Power Roundup (Show Lebanon TN.)
Message-ID: <20050723044358.A48613A05@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 That would be nice, I own one that I'm restoring now and I guess that there arn't to many of them around thanks .gus-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Fri 07/22, Judge Tommy Turner &lt; lcjudge at scrtc.com &gt; wrote:
From: Judge Tommy Turner [mailto: lcjudge at scrtc.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:10:05 -0400Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Red Power Roundup (Show Lebanon TN.)Gus,I don't remember but will try to look around today to see if there are any. There is a BUNCH of red there and I would think there is a possibility there is one on the grounds. If so, do you want me to snap a photo of it for you?Tommy TurnerMagnolia, KY&gt; Judge Tom, did you see any B275s there???-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- &gt; &gt;_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Jul 22 15:29:40 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 06:29:40 +0800
Subject: [SEL] a contact in Denmark ?
Message-ID: <000201c58f5b$01cdfd40$b79381cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Does anyone know of a contact in Denmark . I have a piece of machinery ,made 
in Denmark . It appears to be something to do with sewing but probably for a 
specific purpose.
Thanks in advance..........
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sat Jul 23 01:04:27 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:04:27 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: Interesting Tool (Peter Scales)
References: <3.0.6.32.20050722221101.009da7a0@127.0.0.1>
	<019601c58f14$7e7daad0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <000901c58f5d$299f3f80$b79381cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Reg .....don't blame anyone but your self when the bone is pointed at you!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Interesting Tool (Peter Scales)


> And while on the subject of Abbos, Do you know why they are called Boongs?
> Thats the noise they make when ya hit em with a 4 wheel drive.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
>
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From segray at mlode.com  Fri Jul 22 12:45:43 2005
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:45:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV55095EA435228AA9C7DC5BBC90@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV55095EA435228AA9C7DC5BBC90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42E14CE7.8080803@mlode.com>

Thanks for the heads up, Rick! Ted's good people. He picked a good day 
for a B-Day, since I'm having mine today, too! :-)

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



Richard Strobel wrote:

>  Thot everyone might like to know that today is Ted's Birthday.  Bet he'd 
>like to get a birthday wish from us all.
>
>email him at:
>
>ignitors at sbcglobal.net
>
>Hope he's doing WELL!!!
>
>RickinMt. 
>_______________________________________________
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sat Jul 23 02:09:28 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:09:28 +0200
Subject: [SEL] a contact in Denmark ?
References: <000201c58f5b$01cdfd40$b79381cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <000701c58f66$3ea42c70$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Dave Croft has sofar I know.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl



> Does anyone know of a contact in Denmark . I have a piece of machinery ,made 
> in Denmark . It appears to be something to do with sewing but probably for a 
> specific purpose.
> Thanks in advance..........
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Jul 23 03:02:43 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:02:43 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy
Message-ID: <072320051002.24137.42E215C30001F5C300005E4921979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Happy Birthday Ted and Steve and many more!
Curt Andree


> Thanks for the heads up, Rick! Ted's good people. He picked a good day 
> for a B-Day, since I'm having mine today, too! :-)
> 
> - Steve
> 
> -- 
> Steve Gray
> Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49
> Sonora, California USA
> e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
> Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
> 
> 
> 
> Richard Strobel wrote:
> 
> >  Thot everyone might like to know that today is Ted's Birthday.  Bet he'd 
> >like to get a birthday wish from us all.
> >
> >email him at:
> >
> >ignitors at sbcglobal.net
> >
> >Hope he's doing WELL!!!
> >
> >RickinMt. 
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Sat Jul 23 06:07:39 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 06:07:39 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Briggs & Stratton Model ZZ Status
In-Reply-To: <97.63cc0ecb.30123b45@aol.com>
References: <97.63cc0ecb.30123b45@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050723060621.01ad7ce0@mail.pennswoods.net>


>I say if it will work use it. And i sure like the ideas that some come up 
>with.

R Fink


>One thing that I have found out about this group, they seem to use  what ever
>is available to make do.  I am a good learner!
>
>Francis
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jul 23 03:27:02 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:27:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Interesting Tool (Peter Scales)
References: <3.0.6.32.20050722221101.009da7a0@127.0.0.1><019601c58f14$7e7daad0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<000901c58f5d$299f3f80$b79381cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <005901c58f71$2d890cc0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne"

> Reg .....don't blame anyone but your self when the bone is pointed at you!



I should worry!
Did ya hear about the bloke at the bodyshop with a wrecked car?
Owner said he hit an abbo.
"And it did all this damage?" said the repairer.
"Well, I had to go through four fences to get him!"

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sat Jul 23 03:40:16 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:40:16 +0800
Subject: [SEL] a contact in Denmark ?
References: <000201c58f5b$01cdfd40$b79381cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<000701c58f66$3ea42c70$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <002f01c58f72$ee43ed80$959681cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Thanks John .......Dave just rang me and we have had a good talk, great to 
get to speak on a personal basis.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] a contact in Denmark ?


> Dave Croft has sofar I know.
>
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>
>
>
>> Does anyone know of a contact in Denmark . I have a piece of machinery 
>> ,made
>> in Denmark . It appears to be something to do with sewing but probably 
>> for a
>> specific purpose.
>> Thanks in advance..........
>> Peter Ogborne
>> Little Grove ,Albany
>> West Australia
>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>
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> 




From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sat Jul 23 03:50:05 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 06:50:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
References: <BAY5-DAV7862FA717A4BB17D53384BBC90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <008a01c58f74$4a4ce9a0$15d34c0c@D48VHZ61>

I've got a small Titan like yours but haven't got it running yet. Our big 
one uses a mix of 1pt of 50wt oil to the gallon, smokes heavy until it gets 
warmed up. I personallly don't use oil mix diffrent from what the 
manufacturer says in any of our old saws. Most of the old saws ran a 1/2 pt 
of 30wt to the gallon. Mall's used 3//4 a pt I believe. Most of the time 
there is a tag somewhere on the saw that gives the oil/gas mix.

Titans were made in Washington state. The story related to me by someone 
from the west coast was that the factory went out of business many years ago 
and saw production/support was not sold off. Don't know how accurate the 
account is but the fellow knew more about the saws than anyone in my neck of 
the woods.

John Hall

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 8:34 AM
Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw


>  Howdy all again;
>
>  Along with the rail bending tool, we picked up this pretty neat chainsaw. 
> The chainbar rotates leaving the engine upright.  All we can find is a 
> casting mark "Titan."
>
>  Any info available on these man killers:-)) whew!!
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556295pxakmC
>
> RickinMt. 




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jul 23 04:26:45 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 07:26:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IH Red Power Roundup (Show Lebanon TN.)
In-Reply-To: <20050723044358.A48613A05@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20050723044358.A48613A05@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <42E22975.8000803@scrtc.com>

Gus,

    I looked the grounds over and didn't see one.  I asked a friend of 
mine who is a big IH collector if there was one on the grounds and he 
said yes, he had seen one.  He and I looked for quite a while but never 
could find it.  Either the person had left, was parading it around the 
grounds somewhere or possibly we just couldn't find it.  I don't know 
how many tractors were there (all red of course) but it covered acres 
and acres and was split up quite a bit.  I had to leave and return home 
but my friend said if he spotted it he would snap a photo and send it to 
me.  So, if I get it, I'll forward it to you.  For the engine 
collectors, there weren't a large number of engines there but as I said, 
I saw more red in a couple of days than I've seen in years.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Gus wrote:

> That would be nice, I own one that I'm restoring now and I guess that there arn't to many of them around thanks .gus-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Fri 07/22, Judge Tommy Turner &lt; lcjudge at scrtc.com &gt; wrote:
>From: Judge Tommy Turner [mailto: lcjudge at scrtc.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:10:05 -0400Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Red Power Roundup (Show Lebanon TN.)Gus,I don't remember but will try to look around today to see if there are any. There is a BUNCH of red there and I would think there is a possibility there is one on the grounds. If so, do you want me to snap a photo of it for you?Tommy TurnerMagnolia, KY&gt; Judge Tom, did you see any B275s there???-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- &gt; 
>  
>



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sat Jul 23 01:58:06 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:58:06 +0100
Subject: [SEL] a contact in Denmark ?
References: <000201c58f5b$01cdfd40$b79381cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <002e01c58f64$a549b5a0$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 11:29 PM
Subject: [SEL] a contact in Denmark ?


> Does anyone know of a contact in Denmark . I have a piece of machinery ,made 
> in Denmark . It appears to be something to do with sewing but probably for a 
> specific purpose.
> Thanks in advance..........
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au 

Hi Peter, I have contacts in Denmark. Can you supply me with a picture & details.
PS If anyone has any Danish engine Questions Iwill try to answer them.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jul 23 09:26:56 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:26:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
References: <BAY5-DAV7862FA717A4BB17D53384BBC90@phx.gbl>
	<008a01c58f74$4a4ce9a0$15d34c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV9C42CE42C1D8BA8652523BBC80@phx.gbl>

Couple days ago, I poured some lacquer thinner in the gas tank and drained 
it out yesterday. Using the carb drain, everything looked pretty clean so I 
pulled the plug and put some 2-cycle oil in the hole and pulled it thru a 
couple times.  The plug had excellent spark also.  Put everything back 
together and gave her a pull and she ran for about 3 seconds on the fumes. 
Will have to pull the carb and see why the float is stuck or whatever.

Thanks for the replies guys!!
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hall" <jthall at worldnet.att.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Titan chainsaw


> I've got a small Titan like yours but haven't got it running yet. Our big
> one uses a mix of 1pt of 50wt oil to the gallon, smokes heavy until it 
> gets
> warmed up. I personallly don't use oil mix diffrent from what the
> manufacturer says in any of our old saws. Most of the old saws ran a 1/2 
> pt
> of 30wt to the gallon. Mall's used 3//4 a pt I believe. Most of the time
> there is a tag somewhere on the saw that gives the oil/gas mix.
>
> Titans were made in Washington state. The story related to me by someone
> from the west coast was that the factory went out of business many years 
> ago
> and saw production/support was not sold off. Don't know how accurate the
> account is but the fellow knew more about the saws than anyone in my neck 
> of
> the woods.
>
> John Hall
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 8:34 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
>
>
> >  Howdy all again;
> >
> >  Along with the rail bending tool, we picked up this pretty neat 
> > chainsaw.
> > The chainbar rotates leaving the engine upright.  All we can find is a
> > casting mark "Titan."
> >
> >  Any info available on these man killers:-)) whew!!
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556295pxakmC
> >
> > RickinMt.
>
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jul 23 09:29:52 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:29:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re: Interesting Tool (Peter Scales)
References: <3.0.6.32.20050722221101.009da7a0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV399A1FED88CCB7202D56CBBC80@phx.gbl>

Hi Jerry;
  Your right!!! I threw it about 150 yards and it didn't come back..maybe I 
held it wrong

Whew
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 10:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] Re: Interesting Tool (Peter Scales)


> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:27:05 +0100
> From: Peter Scales <peter at loud-n-clear.net>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting Tool
>
> In message <BAY5-DAV21A91BDEA54130B7022726BBD60 at phx.gbl>, Richard
> Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> writes
> >  We found this in spud heads FIL's shop.  Anyone want to take a guess at
> >it?
> >
> >http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/399556018qgDHpU
>
>
> It is an iron age boomerang invented in Zimbabwe (Africa) about 4000 years
> ago. The heavy weight was required to bring down large animals like
> elephants and rhinoceros. Once the animal was down the job was finished 
> off
> with a sharp pronged device like the one in the foreground of the picture.
> Being an invention of African origin it had many flaws, the main one being
> it's inability to return to the thrower if he missed the target. Legend 
> has
> it that on one such occasion one of them carried on going until it hit a
> big rock in Australia. There it was found by an Aboriginal tribe who, 
> being
> far more intelligent than their African counterparts, developed one that
> actually returned to the thrower. Another improvement that the Aboriginals
> made was to fabricate it from wood (they had not learnt how to steal yet -
> sorry I mean had not learnt to smelt steel yet.) as the kangaroos and the
> like that they hunted did not need such a heavy boomerang to bring them 
> down.
>
> The name "Boomerang" is actually of African origin (sorry Aus!!) and came
> about from the noise an early victim heard when one hit him on the head by
> mistake - "BOOM". So originally it was just known as a "BOOM". Later when
> they trained monkeys to retrieve them these monkeys were called "Boom
> orangatang's" and by natural progression the name was eventually corrupted
> to Boomerang.
>
> I trust that this clears up the mystery of the "Interesting tool" and also
> credits Africa as being the original inventors of the Boomerang, an idea
> wrongly claimed by Australia as being theirs.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards
> Jerry Evans.
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jul 23 10:21:37 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:21:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wheel casting
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV21F23DBFDB65DE9CC19EC2BBC80@phx.gbl>

  Howdy again....very nice in Mt. this time of year..Spudhead told me 
yesterday the humidity was down to 8%...perfect recipe for forest fires and 
such:-(

  Anyway I got this cart the other day which I intend to mount my 3hp Gal. 
It's missing one correct wheel so I need to find another or have one made.

  This wheel looks like the round spokes were placed in a mold and then the 
hub and rim were poured around them.  There is no evidence of the spokes 
sticking thru on the rim face, nor any kind of welding.

  Does anyone have such a wheel and Rick R...can you duplicate this wheel??

http://community.webshots.com/photo/392994376/401476039NoVCKO


 thanks in anticipation!!!

RickinMt. 


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 23 10:32:43 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:32:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Titan chainsaw
In-Reply-To: <20050722.231236.1004.16.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20050723173243.18362.qmail@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


That is a very stiff mix.

Are they oiling the bar with the exhaust?????

--- jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

> Rick,
> The spec sheet says 1.5 pints per gallon of fuel equals 5.3 to 1 ratio.
> Seems like an awful lot of oil!
> Jim
> =        =        =        =        =        =        =        
> And - YOU thought MAYTAGS smoke ?
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
> jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>  ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
>  \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Jul 23 12:44:04 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:44:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Wheel casting
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV21F23DBFDB65DE9CC19EC2BBC80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200507231943.j6NJhv2C084036@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>



>   Anyway I got this cart the other day which I intend to 
> mount my 3hp Gal. 

> http://community.webshots.com/photo/392994376/401476039NoVCKO


Hi Rick,
That's a nice looking cart.  What's that contraption 
that's on the cart now?  It looks to be a machine 
for making birds' nests.   Was the flywheel made 
for that machine?  The picture doesn't show all the 
wording on the side.

Rob






From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jul 23 14:41:13 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:41:13 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wheel casting
References: <200507231943.j6NJhv2C084036@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV2300C49CCB0DD7E6A25158BBC80@phx.gbl>

Rob, we can only guess that this gizmo was a small home built log splitter 
or chopper of some kind.  We believe it's a flywheel off of a Eli hay baler. 
Great lettering cast into the side of the flywheel.  The PO installed a ring 
on the flywheel face and then welded two splitting wedges one behind the 
other?  The axle has a two piece large belt pulley on it and with reduction 
was driven by a small electric motor.  The axle base is also there and has 
bearing surfaces also which were not used in this contraption.

  So your guess is as good as mine:-)

later
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Wheel casting


>
>
> >   Anyway I got this cart the other day which I intend to
> > mount my 3hp Gal.
>
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/392994376/401476039NoVCKO
>
>
> Hi Rick,
> That's a nice looking cart.  What's that contraption
> that's on the cart now?  It looks to be a machine
> for making birds' nests.   Was the flywheel made
> for that machine?  The picture doesn't show all the
> wording on the side.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
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From lfevans at pacbell.net  Sat Jul 23 16:28:34 2005
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:28:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] What glue to use??
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050723162806.026c4a20@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

Hi.....

I'm working on modifying a three groove 21 inch diameter vee belt pulley so 
it will work with a flat belt.  I have some good condition vee belt that is 
a good fit to the grooves and plan on gluing the belting into the grooves 
to fill the voids.  The belting will stand just a little proud of the 
pulley and should give a good surface with lots of traction for the flat belt.

At the moment I plan on using either Weldwood Contact Cement or possibly 
Barge Cement (used to glue soles on shoes) as the glue.  Any thoughts as to 
what might be better?

Thanks,

Larry Evans
Arcadia, Southern California, USA
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Jul 23 17:10:41 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:10:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What glue to use??
Message-ID: <20050723.201108.876.4.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Larry,

I've often thought of doing the same thing but never had the need.

As for glueing - My experience with Contact Cement is that it lets go
under heat.
Sometimes belts can generate some serious heat if pulling a load.

I'm not familiar with Barge Cement but I think I  would go with it.
Or - Maybe - Some sort of epoxy.

Have you given any thought to a "crown" in the surface.  
"V" belts use different numbers for varying thickness.  Maybe a little
larger # on the center filler.

Keep us posted on how this works out for you.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From segray at mlode.com  Sat Jul 23 18:12:54 2005
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:12:54 -0700
Subject: OT  [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy
In-Reply-To: <072320051002.24137.42E215C30001F5C300005E4921979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <072320051002.24137.42E215C30001F5C300005E4921979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <42E2EB16.1020005@mlode.com>

Sorry for the excess List bandwidth here. My ISP apparently is blocked 
from Curt's (550 Error).
Many thanks, Curt! It's next year that's gonna hurt! 5-0  =-O

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

>Happy Birthday Ted and Steve and many more!
>Curt Andree
>  
>
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>
>  
>




From falcon at telenet.net  Sat Jul 23 18:18:10 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:18:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What glue to use??
References: <20050723.201108.876.4.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <003101c58fed$8fd2b8a0$111117d1@net.telenet.net>

Not sure how glue would hold up under the belt.
How about gluing them in and then drilling some small holes across the
belts and sheaves in line with the pulley bore and installing some pins
through the grooves and belts to lock them in place.

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown, New York

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] What glue to use??


> Hi Larry,
>
> I've often thought of doing the same thing but never had the need.
>
> As for glueing - My experience with Contact Cement is that it lets go
> under heat.
> Sometimes belts can generate some serious heat if pulling a load.
>
> I'm not familiar with Barge Cement but I think I  would go with it.
> Or - Maybe - Some sort of epoxy.
>
> Have you given any thought to a "crown" in the surface.
> "V" belts use different numbers for varying thickness.  Maybe a little
> larger # on the center filler.
>
> Keep us posted on how this works out for you.
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>  ,-._,-.         "What I can do,
>  \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jul 23 18:22:45 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D HASKELL)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:22:45 -0700
Subject: [SEL] What glue to use??
Message-ID: <20050723.182245.2996.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Larry.
In the past many list members recommended shoe goo as sticking just about
anything together.
Ron Haskell

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:28:34 -0700 Larry Evans <lfevans at pacbell.net>
writes:
> Hi.....
> 
> I'm working on modifying a three groove 21 inch diameter vee belt 
> pulley so 
> it will work with a flat belt.  I have some good condition vee belt 
> that is 
> a good fit to the grooves and plan on gluing the belting into the 
> grooves 
> to fill the voids.  The belting will stand just a little proud of 
> the 
> pulley and should give a good surface with lots of traction for the 
> flat belt.
> 
> At the moment I plan on using either Weldwood Contact Cement or 
> possibly 
> Barge Cement (used to glue soles on shoes) as the glue.  Any 
> thoughts as to 
> what might be better?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Larry Evans
> Arcadia, Southern California, USA
> MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 


From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 23 18:46:33 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:46:33 -0600
Subject: OT  [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy
In-Reply-To: <42E2EB16.1020005@mlode.com>
References: <072320051002.24137.42E215C30001F5C300005E4921979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<42E2EB16.1020005@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <42E2F2F9.30201@earthlink.net>

Had that one last year. Ain't so bad when you consider the alternative. 
Looking forward to 51, 52, etc.

Jeff

Steve Gray wrote:

> Sorry for the excess List bandwidth here. My ISP apparently is blocked 
> from Curt's (550 Error).
> Many thanks, Curt! It's next year that's gonna hurt! 5-0  =-O
>
> - Steve
>



From yostsw at atis.net  Sat Jul 23 19:45:42 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:45:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland and a couple of things
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>

Things have been really hectic here in Pfafftown......

A few months ago a couple of really serious medical/family problems cropped
up in my family (not Denise or the kids ).  That and some work I have been
doing am doing out of town since February means I am spending virtually all
my time away from the house.  What little time I have is spent with home
maintenance or hay.   I mention this because I want you folks to know that
I am not going to make Portland.   My mom needs a little R&R from the
issues I mentioned above, so Denise and I are taking her to the beach the
week before Portland.  Also, my son was invited to some free trout fishing
out west (his best friend since age 14 is a guide) and he invited me to go
along.  My son is 23 years old, graduated, on his own and is really
beginning to get too  busy for his own good.   I figure I better jump at
this chance while I still can.  Anyway, that is the week after Portland.
My daughter returns to college that Monday of the Portland show week.
Because of all this, and the fact I just can't afford to have 3 weeks of
non-billable time back to back, I will have to miss Portland.

Secondly, a special thanks to Dave Rotigel and Brice Adams for listening
and just being aware of my situation and being ready to help if needed over
the last 4 months.

Third:  The last of charity auction proceeds arrived about the time some of
these issues cropped up in late April.   Dave was going to help distribute
the auction proceeds, but then my schedule looked liked it was going to
clear so I didn't mail the stuff to him.   Unfortunately, that calm spell
was the eye of the storm and I never got around to sending it too him.  I
am now returning to the auction project and would like to get this wrapped
up.  A few months ago, the charity auction participants asked me to
cordially invite all ATIS users at large to participate in, and make
recommendations for, the proceeds of the charity auction.   Toward this
end, I have assembled a little poll for us to use for voting.   Here is the
link:

http://www.antique-tractor.com/index.php

I have a few "test" nominations on there.  THESE ARE NOT th actual
nominations.  Before voting, feel free to email me with your nominations.
To vote, you MUST create a user account.  Both the voting and the user
account creation are on the right hand side of the screen.

BTW, with everything going on, I did manage get a chance to take a 2
day/1215 mile Father-Daughter road trip with Elisha last weekend and caught
up with the Dotsons at Plain City and saw Brice on Sunday.  Missed Steve,
George and the rest at Plain City because of the weather (most wise folks
stayed away after Friday's deluge).  By the way THANKS BARB for the
Spaghetti.  Oh - Elisha says "Hi" to the Plain City Folks.

To the SEL and AT list members in England - You have my warmest thoughts
and my sincerest best wishes as you cope with the recent bombings.   Please
do not hesitate to contact me if I or ATIS can help.



From lfevans at pacbell.net  Sat Jul 23 20:03:53 2005
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:03:53 -0700
Subject: [SEL] What glue to use??
In-Reply-To: <003101c58fed$8fd2b8a0$111117d1@net.telenet.net>
References: <20050723.201108.876.4.jlb94@juno.com>
	<003101c58fed$8fd2b8a0$111117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050723194419.027bb508@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

At 06:18 PM 7/23/2005, you wrote:
>Not sure how glue would hold up under the belt.
>How about gluing them in and then drilling some small holes across the
>belts and sheaves in line with the pulley bore and installing some pins
>through the grooves and belts to lock them in place.
>
>Steve Williams
>Near Cooperstown, New York

Steve,

I suspect that the glue will do a pretty good job of holding but if the 
ends start to come loose I had already thought of drilling through the belt 
down into the bottom of the groove and then tap the hole in the metal and 
use a flathead machine screw slightly countersunk to hold the ends down.  I 
also am planning on staggering the ends of the belting by 120 degrees so 
that if I did have to drill holes they would not be concentrated in one 
area and cause a potential weak spot.  I hadn't considered your idea of 
pins through the sides of the sheaves but will definitely keep it in mind.

Regards,

Larry Evans
Arcadia, Southern California, USA
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sat Jul 23 20:09:19 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:09:19 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Another Maytag lives in Australia
Message-ID: <42E3065F.70003@steamengine.com.au>

Yesterday I got the Maytag 92M I brought home from the states a few 
years ago running just in time for its first showing next weekend. I 
have updated the restoration story with the put it back together 
commentary and some pictures of the almost finished engine. A few 
cosmetic things to do before next weekend, but nothing hard. It is 
running nicely - even cleanly (for a Maytag :).

Thanks to Maytag Mark Shulaw for a really responsive action on meeting 
my parts needs - I recommend Mark highly if you're in need of something.

Scroll down for the latest part of the story.
http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/maytag/index.html

Regards
Paul
-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


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From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 23 20:41:17 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:41:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re: Another Maytag lives in Australia
In-Reply-To: <42E3065F.70003@steamengine.com.au>
References: <42E3065F.70003@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <42E30DDD.5070904@earthlink.net>


Wow Paul,

I have a couple of stuck Maytags here. Think I'll try your method cause 
what I'm doing don't work. Very nice presentation and another running 
Maytag. Rotigel hosed you, but it was for a good cause. Glad to see it 
up and running.

Jeff Allen

Paul Pavlinovich wrote:

> Yesterday I got the Maytag 92M I brought home from the states a few 
> years ago running just in time for its first showing next weekend. I 
> have updated the restoration story with the put it back together 
> commentary and some pictures of the almost finished engine. A few 
> cosmetic things to do before next weekend, but nothing hard. It is 
> running nicely - even cleanly (for a Maytag :).
>
> Thanks to Maytag Mark Shulaw for a really responsive action on meeting 
> my parts needs - I recommend Mark highly if you're in need of something.
>
> Scroll down for the latest part of the story.
> http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/maytag/index.html
>
> Regards
> Paul




From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 23 20:56:00 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:56:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Portland and a couple of things
In-Reply-To: <200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <42E31150.5060302@earthlink.net>

Hi Spencer,

Been goin down some hard roads myself lately. I tried to sign on and it 
didn't work, so here is my vote on this list. Childrens Hospital in 
Denver, Colorado for a small share of the money. Walk in and see your 
one year old grandaughter after open heart surgery. I did some years ago 
and they always have a donation from me each year. Nuff said. Wishing 
you the best and thanks for what you do.

Jeff Allen

Spencer Yost wrote:

>Things have been really hectic here in Pfafftown......
>
>A few months ago a couple of really serious medical/family problems cropped
>up in my family (not Denise or the kids ).  That and some work I have been
>doing am doing out of town since February means I am spending virtually all
>my time away from the house.  What little time I have is spent with home
>maintenance or hay.   I mention this because I want you folks to know that
>I am not going to make Portland.   My mom needs a little R&R from the
>issues I mentioned above, so Denise and I are taking her to the beach the
>week before Portland.  Also, my son was invited to some free trout fishing
>out west (his best friend since age 14 is a guide) and he invited me to go
>along.  My son is 23 years old, graduated, on his own and is really
>beginning to get too  busy for his own good.   I figure I better jump at
>this chance while I still can.  Anyway, that is the week after Portland.
>My daughter returns to college that Monday of the Portland show week.
>Because of all this, and the fact I just can't afford to have 3 weeks of
>non-billable time back to back, I will have to miss Portland.
>
>Secondly, a special thanks to Dave Rotigel and Brice Adams for listening
>and just being aware of my situation and being ready to help if needed over
>the last 4 months.
>
>Third:  The last of charity auction proceeds arrived about the time some of
>these issues cropped up in late April.   Dave was going to help distribute
>the auction proceeds, but then my schedule looked liked it was going to
>clear so I didn't mail the stuff to him.   Unfortunately, that calm spell
>was the eye of the storm and I never got around to sending it too him.  I
>am now returning to the auction project and would like to get this wrapped
>up.  A few months ago, the charity auction participants asked me to
>cordially invite all ATIS users at large to participate in, and make
>recommendations for, the proceeds of the charity auction.   Toward this
>end, I have assembled a little poll for us to use for voting.   Here is the
>link:
>
>http://www.antique-tractor.com/index.php
>
>I have a few "test" nominations on there.  THESE ARE NOT th actual
>nominations.  Before voting, feel free to email me with your nominations.
>To vote, you MUST create a user account.  Both the voting and the user
>account creation are on the right hand side of the screen.
>
>BTW, with everything going on, I did manage get a chance to take a 2
>day/1215 mile Father-Daughter road trip with Elisha last weekend and caught
>up with the Dotsons at Plain City and saw Brice on Sunday.  Missed Steve,
>George and the rest at Plain City because of the weather (most wise folks
>stayed away after Friday's deluge).  By the way THANKS BARB for the
>Spaghetti.  Oh - Elisha says "Hi" to the Plain City Folks.
>
>To the SEL and AT list members in England - You have my warmest thoughts
>and my sincerest best wishes as you cope with the recent bombings.   Please
>do not hesitate to contact me if I or ATIS can help.
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Jul 23 20:55:46 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:55:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Engine transport from Oklahoma to Portland
Message-ID: <200507240355.j6O3tdUX026194@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi kids,
I just got an email from Alec Stevens.  He can't send messages to the list from
home, so he's asked me to convey his request.  
 
Alec just bought an engine on ebay, a 2 1/4 horse Galloway, that is in Piedmont,
Oklahoma.  It's on wheels.  Can anyone pick it up on their way to Portland?  
 
If you can help out, respond here or email Alec directly at 
1lunger at maine.rr.com
 
The engine can be seen at 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7530674851>
&rd=1&item=7530674851
 
 
=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com <http://www.rustyiron.com/>  
 


From guitronics at comcast.net  Sat Jul 23 21:20:49 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:20:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What glue to use??
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050723162806.026c4a20@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>
References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050723162806.026c4a20@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42E31721.3000602@comcast.net>

I have a couple of different ideas on what to use for gluing the v-belts 
in the grooves around the circumference of the pulley.

1: First, let me say that the idea of gluing v-belts into pulley 
grooves, in order to use a flat belt is absolute genius! I love the 
idea. Are you going to use the common auto/light truck "MicroGroove" 
belt? I've read that they are supremely durable,and get the most common 
size by going to a junkyard and getting one off an old Chevy.The most 
popular size belts cost the least. Do a google for "Gates Drive Belts" 
and see what their equivalent stock number is....I hear they make the 
best serpentine belts.

2:My first choice for glue is "JB Weld"....it has metal (Steel?) 
Particles suspended in it, it's some sort of epoxy,I've used it to fix 
leaking Gas tanks on cars. Just make sure you wait at least the 
recommended time or more before putting on that flat belt.

You can get large tubes of this 2-part glue at Sam's,Costco,and Home 
depot....cost is about $2 to $3 .

3: There's a poly-urethane glue out called "Gorilla Glue"....it's plenty 
strong, but it is quite expensive....also once it is opened, if you 
don't seal the nozzle back right away the whole thing will harden. 
Moisture in the air cures it.There's also the same type of glue made by 
Elmer's   (The old 'glue-all' product)  called "Ultimate glue" that 
costs a little less than the Gorilla.

If it were me, I'd take the  V belt(s)  and  the pulley and (Outside!) 
wipe them down with Lacquer thinner, Acetone, or Mineral spirits; let dry.

Then I'd scuff up the belts on the "V" side, and the pulleys a bit, too.

I'd cut the "V" belt at a 45 degree angle,put a small spot of "Crazy 
Glue" on the belt inner side, and press it into the pulley until it 
holds.Then I'd Put JB Weld on the rest of the groove(s) with a small 
brush, and put the belt under tension and roll it around until it meets 
the beginning.Cut it off a bit large, then progressively smaller until 
you get a good fit.

Then I'd duct-tape the whole "V" until it sat for the required time.
I'd do one "V" at a time.

Once cured, good luck getting the "V" Belts off!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Larry Evans wrote:

> Hi.....
>
> I'm working on modifying a three groove 21 inch diameter vee belt 
> pulley so it will work with a flat belt.  I have some good condition 
> vee belt that is a good fit to the grooves and plan on gluing the 
> belting into the grooves to fill the voids.  The belting will stand 
> just a little proud of the pulley and should give a good surface with 
> lots of traction for the flat belt.
>
> At the moment I plan on using either Weldwood Contact Cement or 
> possibly Barge Cement (used to glue soles on shoes) as the glue.  Any 
> thoughts as to what might be better?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Larry Evans
> Arcadia, Southern California, USA
> MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 24 00:17:06 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:17:06 +0100
Subject: OT [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy
In-Reply-To: <42E2F2F9.30201@earthlink.net>
References: <072320051002.24137.42E215C30001F5C300005E4921979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<42E2EB16.1020005@mlode.com> <42E2F2F9.30201@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160507240017349cf4ac@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/24/05, Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Had that one last year. Ain't so bad when you consider the alternative.
> Looking forward to 51, 52, etc.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> Steve Gray wrote:
> 
> > Sorry for the excess List bandwidth here. My ISP apparently is blocked
> > from Curt's (550 Error).
> > Many thanks, Curt! It's next year that's gonna hurt! 5-0  =-O
> >
> > - Steve
> >

Youngsters! :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 24 00:20:46 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:20:46 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland and a couple of things
In-Reply-To: <200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160507240020641d8163@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/24/05, Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:
> Things have been really hectic here in Pfafftown......
> 
> A few months ago a couple of really serious medical/family problems cropped
> up in my family (not Denise or the kids ).  That and some work I have been
> doing am doing out of town since February means I am spending virtually all
> my time away from the house.  What little time I have is spent with home
> maintenance or hay.   I mention this because I want you folks to know that
> I am not going to make Portland.   

<snipped>

Really sorry that we won't see you this year, Spencer. Hope you get
everything sorted out OK, and you should know that we ALL appreciate
what you do for the hobby and engine folks.

Peter & Rita
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Jul 24 00:56:47 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:56:47 +1000
Subject: [SEL] What glue to use??
References: <20050723.201108.876.4.jlb94@juno.com><003101c58fed$8fd2b8a0$111117d1@net.telenet.net>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20050723194419.027bb508@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <013301c59025$409feea0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I like the idea of a holding screw each side of the join. Better safe than 
sorry!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Evans" <lfevans at pacbell.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] What glue to use??


> At 06:18 PM 7/23/2005, you wrote:
>>Not sure how glue would hold up under the belt.
>>How about gluing them in and then drilling some small holes across the
>>belts and sheaves in line with the pulley bore and installing some pins
>>through the grooves and belts to lock them in place.
>>
>>Steve Williams
>>Near Cooperstown, New York
>
> Steve,
>
> I suspect that the glue will do a pretty good job of holding but if the 
> ends start to come loose I had already thought of drilling through the 
> belt down into the bottom of the groove and then tap the hole in the metal 
> and use a flathead machine screw slightly countersunk to hold the ends 
> down.  I also am planning on staggering the ends of the belting by 120 
> degrees so that if I did have to drill holes they would not be 
> concentrated in one area and cause a potential weak spot.  I hadn't 
> considered your idea of pins through the sides of the sheaves but will 
> definitely keep it in mind.
>
> Regards,
>
> Larry Evans
> Arcadia, Southern California, USA
> MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Jul 24 01:09:43 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:09:43 +1000
Subject: OT [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy
References: <072320051002.24137.42E215C30001F5C300005E4921979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com><42E2EB16.1020005@mlode.com>
	<42E2F2F9.30201@earthlink.net>
	<6f6025160507240017349cf4ac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <015c01c59027$110769f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

You were saying??
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: OT [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy


> On 7/24/05, Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Had that one last year. Ain't so bad when you consider the alternative.
>> Looking forward to 51, 52, etc.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> Steve Gray wrote:
>> 
>> > Sorry for the excess List bandwidth here. My ISP apparently is blocked
>> > from Curt's (550 Error).
>> > Many thanks, Curt! It's next year that's gonna hurt! 5-0  =-O
>> >
>> > - Steve
>> >
> 
> Youngsters! :-))
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 24 01:58:10 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:58:10 +0100
Subject: OT [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy
In-Reply-To: <015c01c59027$110769f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <072320051002.24137.42E215C30001F5C300005E4921979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<42E2EB16.1020005@mlode.com> <42E2F2F9.30201@earthlink.net>
	<6f6025160507240017349cf4ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<015c01c59027$110769f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <6f60251605072401583ac61a56@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/24/05, R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
> You were saying??
> Reg & Marg Ingold.

I think I'm nearer thee than they.... :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Jul 24 03:18:06 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:18:06 +1000
Subject: OT [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy
References: <072320051002.24137.42E215C30001F5C300005E4921979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com><42E2EB16.1020005@mlode.com>
	<42E2F2F9.30201@earthlink.net><6f6025160507240017349cf4ac@mail.gmail.com><015c01c59027$110769f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<6f60251605072401583ac61a56@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01b001c59038$ff0ae6c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Yes but, sadly, I am leadin the pack!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: OT [SEL] Ted Brookover..birthday boy


> On 7/24/05, R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
>> You were saying??
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> 
> I think I'm nearer thee than they.... :-))
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jul 24 05:56:46 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:56:46 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Interesting Tool
Message-ID: <12a.61d96c89.3014ea0e@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/21/2005 11:00:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net writes:

<< It's obviously a whatchamacallit.:) >>


I am more inclined to think it is a manually operated fludacrance.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jul 24 11:02:08 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:02:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] oil slinging Witte
Message-ID: <008c01c59079$cfc3ded0$a6d64c0c@D48VHZ61>

The 3hp Witte I've been working on off and on for over a year now appears to 
be ready for  paint. Runs and cranks great. I ran it for over 2 hours 
yesterday at full throttle and the only problem I am finding is it likes to 
sling oil on the mag side flywheel. This is a late model engine with an 
enclosed crankcase. The oil is getting onto the crankshaft and coming 
through the timing gear cover. As best as I can tell there is no way to put 
a seal there as there is a keyway involved. I don't know if I have the 
engine too full of oil and it is oiling the gear train too heavily through 
the crankcase breather or if this engine was just designed to sling oil. Any 
thoughts/ideas?

John Hall 




From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sat Jul 23 14:53:46 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:53:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <01ad01c58fd1$0056ea00$546ea618@pengy>

test

From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 24 13:36:41 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:36:41 +0100
Subject: [SEL] test
In-Reply-To: <01ad01c58fd1$0056ea00$546ea618@pengy>
References: <01ad01c58fd1$0056ea00$546ea618@pengy>
Message-ID: <6f60251605072413367a0e173@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/23/05, Rick Rowlands <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com> wrote:
> test
>

It's working OK, Rick, just everyone is busy with other things...:-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From yostsw at atis.net  Sun Jul 24 14:34:05 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:34:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: [AT] Portland and a couple of things
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200507241433520562.1821EC47@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200507241734050125.18C6E8D9@heavyiron.atis.net>

>up.  A few months ago, the charity auction participants asked me to
>cordially invite all ATIS users at large to participate in, and make
>recommendations for, the proceeds of the charity auction.   Toward this
>end, I have assembled a little poll for us to use for voting.   Here is
the
>link:
>
>http://www.antique-tractor.com/index.php
>

Thanks for all the kind words - I appreciate it.

Some folks have had trouble adding themselves as a user to the site to see
the charity auction poll.   I have corrected those problems and you should
be able to see that security code field.

Please email those nominations to you

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net




From rex002 at centurytel.net  Sun Jul 24 16:11:32 2005
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:11:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Happy Late B-Day
Message-ID: <000701c590a5$0a6916b0$0201a8c0@mycomputer>

Hi List:

       I sent Ted a Late Birthday wish and this was his reply, I don't know
if it went out to the list so I'm sending out a copy ,

Rex Hinz

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Ted Brookover" <ignitors at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: Happy Late B-Day


> Hi everyone, please forgive the "form letter", but there are a lot of
wishes
> to return . J
>
> Thanks for the birthday wishes !
>
> I'm doing the best I can for the shape I am in, I am still pretty much
> confined to a wheel chair, it's not that I can't walk, but it's best I
don't
> and when I try to walk, I can't go far or for very long.
>
> The battle with the diabetic toe has finally gone where we always knew it
> would, it will be removed on 4 Aug. . It will not be missed , I have not
had
> any feeling in my lower legs for 15 years and have long lost any sense of
> balance through my feet, I have to shampoo my head with one eye open or
stay
> in contact with the wall, or risk a fall.
>
>
>
> I have found a young (32) man from our local club that is interested in
> becoming the next "Ignitor Man". His name is Don Miller, and lives in
> Independence Missouri, he comes to my shop a couple of days a week and we
> work on the jobs that have been stalled here for the past 18 months. We
are
> getting some work out, but are not seeking any new orders at this time. I
am
> pleased that I have someone to "pass on to" what I have picked up about
> magnetos and ignitors, it would be a shame if the knowledge was lost, and
> the hobby needs not to loose a source for ignitors.
>
> Well, thanks again, all the best !
>
> Ted Brookover
> 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
> Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
> 816-763-3142
> ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
> Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm
>
> This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus
>
>
>
>




From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Jul 24 19:40:31 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:40:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] oil slinging Witte
Message-ID: <20050724.224254.880.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi John,

Only thoughts I have:    I have a Stover CT-1 enclosed crank.

Slings oil from the Mag side.  Comes out the corners where the gaskets
meet.
Also comes out the bearing cap.  

Tried several times to seal it tight.

Can't.

No matter what I do - Seems to leak.

My Advice - - - Let it leak.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sat Jul 23 14:57:52 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:57:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Wheel casting
References: <BAY5-DAV21F23DBFDB65DE9CC19EC2BBC80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <01c101c58fd1$930a9bd0$546ea618@pengy>

Yep I can make one of them with the inserted spokes.  I would make it just
like any other spoked wheel. Ram up the mold then place steel rods for the
spokes.  Probably deform the ends of the rods to help them knit with the
iron.  Then pour the rim, let it cool and then pour the hub.

Let me know if you need one Rick.

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 1:21 PM
Subject: [SEL] Wheel casting


>  Howdy again....very nice in Mt. this time of year..Spudhead told me 
> yesterday the humidity was down to 8%...perfect recipe for forest fires 
> and such:-(
>
>  Anyway I got this cart the other day which I intend to mount my 3hp Gal. 
> It's missing one correct wheel so I need to find another or have one made.
>
>  This wheel looks like the round spokes were placed in a mold and then the 
> hub and rim were poured around them.  There is no evidence of the spokes 
> sticking thru on the rim face, nor any kind of welding.
>
>  Does anyone have such a wheel and Rick R...can you duplicate this wheel??
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/392994376/401476039NoVCKO
>
>
> thanks in anticipation!!!
>
> RickinMt. _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sun Jul 24 16:17:48 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:17:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <01ad01c58fd1$0056ea00$546ea618@pengy>
	<6f60251605072413367a0e173@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c590a5$e81c9cc0$546ea618@pengy>

Actually I just moved and I was having trouble sending out emails so I sent 
the test to make sure that I could send and recieve.

Thanks

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test


> On 7/23/05, Rick Rowlands <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com> wrote:
>> test
>>
>
> It's working OK, Rick, just everyone is busy with other things...:-))
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 02:12:12 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:12:12 +0100
Subject: [SEL] test
In-Reply-To: <003a01c590a5$e81c9cc0$546ea618@pengy>
References: <01ad01c58fd1$0056ea00$546ea618@pengy>
	<6f60251605072413367a0e173@mail.gmail.com>
	<003a01c590a5$e81c9cc0$546ea618@pengy>
Message-ID: <6f60251605072502121e1a664a@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/25/05, Rick Rowlands <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com> wrote:
> Actually I just moved and I was having trouble sending out emails so I sent
> the test to make sure that I could send and recieve.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Rick
> 

Can you get DSL at your new place?  well worth having if you can get it :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Jul 25 11:50:44 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:50:44
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
Message-ID: <20050725120146.SM00880@new>

Hi List,
	Are we all insane or is it just me ??

	Last night I worked until 3.00 am in the cold of winter in my unheated
workshop, restoring an old fire extinguisher cannister that cost me less
than US$0.50 at a scrapyard. It was rotten, dented and had holes in it. I
had it sandblasted, welded the holes closed, fixed the dents and brazed 2
brass sockets into it. So far it has taken me about 6 hours and I have not
even got a coat of primer on it yet! 

	Oh yes - that 6 hours does not include the 4 hours spent before the
sandblasting when I copied the label and drew it on a graphics programme so
that I can have a new one printed when I am finished.

	Why, you may ask? Well it is an old one made in England in the 1950's and
is made with rivets and solder - not like the new ones that are all welded.
It is destined to be the water tank on the Ruston & Hornsby PT that I have
nearly finished restoring and has to go to a show on Saturday.

	I am also making a "toolbox"  (with dovetailed joints) from Oregon Pine
that it will mount on. This Oregon Pine has a history as well. In the 80's
I was doing building renovations and I replaced the oregon floor  in an old
building in central Johannesburg. The building dated to the early 1900's. I
used some of this wood in a ceiling in my house but subsequently removed
some of it and it is this wood I'm using for the toolbox. So it is over 100
years old and into it's third life now.

	I will put up pics in a few days when it is all finished.










Best regards
Jerry Evans.
Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery

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Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa






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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Jul 25 03:30:56 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:30:56 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
References: <20050725120146.SM00880@new>
Message-ID: <001101c59103$f5b73080$ae9f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Now i understand how you came by the theory of Boomerangs............you are 
mad !
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 11:50 AM
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??


> Hi List,
> Are we all insane or is it just me ??
>
> Last night I worked until 3.00 am in the cold of winter in my unheated
> workshop, restoring an old fire extinguisher cannister that cost me less
> than US$0.50 at a scrapyard. It was rotten, dented and had holes in it. I
> had it sandblasted, welded the holes closed, fixed the dents and brazed 2
> brass sockets into it. So far it has taken me about 6 hours and I have not
> even got a coat of primer on it yet!
>
> Oh yes - that 6 hours does not include the 4 hours spent before the
> sandblasting when I copied the label and drew it on a graphics programme 
> so
> that I can have a new one printed when I am finished.
>
> Why, you may ask? Well it is an old one made in England in the 1950's and
> is made with rivets and solder - not like the new ones that are all 
> welded.
> It is destined to be the water tank on the Ruston & Hornsby PT that I have
> nearly finished restoring and has to go to a show on Saturday.
>
> I am also making a "toolbox"  (with dovetailed joints) from Oregon Pine
> that it will mount on. This Oregon Pine has a history as well. In the 80's
> I was doing building renovations and I replaced the oregon floor  in an 
> old
> building in central Johannesburg. The building dated to the early 1900's. 
> I
> used some of this wood in a ceiling in my house but subsequently removed
> some of it and it is this wood I'm using for the toolbox. So it is over 
> 100
> years old and into it's third life now.
>
> I will put up pics in a few days when it is all finished.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards
> Jerry Evans.
> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery
>
> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery   ----- The lower cost Data Recovery
> Alternative !
> We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack
> / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition 
> Loss
> (FDISK).
> We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes.
> Visit our site:
> http://www.databak.co.za
> Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191
> Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787
> eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za
> Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> 




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Jul 25 07:14:15 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:14:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] a contact in Denmark ?
References: <000201c58f5b$01cdfd40$b79381cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<002e01c58f64$a549b5a0$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <000401c59123$24cc5160$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] a contact in Denmark ?


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 11:29 PM
> Subject: [SEL] a contact in Denmark ?
> > Does anyone know of a contact in Denmark . I have a piece of machinery ,made
> > in Denmark . It appears to be something to do with sewing but probably for a
> > specific purpose.
> > Thanks in advance..........
> > Peter Ogborne

Hi Peter, The machine was made by Vilhelme Pedersen in the town of H?ng.
In the 1990's they were taken over & now they are in the town of Slagelse.
I have contacted them & they will supply any info they still have of the model 308.
The oldest employee is on holiday & he might know more.
The website is http://www.pedersen-spares.com/main.htm
Anyone interested can see Peters pictures of the machine at
http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/402421812biFqvZ
I hope this helps,
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jul 25 07:43:30 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:43:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20050725115044.009ae540@127.0.0.1>
References: <3.0.6.32.20050725115044.009ae540@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <4459.165.206.180.102.1122302610.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

Yes.

Bill


> Hi List,
> 	Are we all insane or is it just me ??
>
> 	Last night I worked until 3.00 am in the cold of winter in my unheated
> workshop, restoring an old fire extinguisher cannister that cost me less
> than US$0.50 at a scrapyard. It was rotten, dented and had holes in it. I
> had it sandblasted, welded the holes closed, fixed the dents and brazed 2
> brass sockets into it. So far it has taken me about 6 hours and I have not
> even got a coat of primer on it yet!
>
> 	Oh yes - that 6 hours does not include the 4 hours spent before the
> sandblasting when I copied the label and drew it on a graphics programme
> so
> that I can have a new one printed when I am finished.
>
> 	Why, you may ask? Well it is an old one made in England in the 1950's and
> is made with rivets and solder - not like the new ones that are all
> welded.
> It is destined to be the water tank on the Ruston & Hornsby PT that I have
> nearly finished restoring and has to go to a show on Saturday.
>
> 	I am also making a "toolbox"  (with dovetailed joints) from Oregon Pine
> that it will mount on. This Oregon Pine has a history as well. In the 80's
> I was doing building renovations and I replaced the oregon floor  in an
> old
> building in central Johannesburg. The building dated to the early 1900's.
> I
> used some of this wood in a ceiling in my house but subsequently removed
> some of it and it is this wood I'm using for the toolbox. So it is over
> 100
> years old and into it's third life now.
>
> 	I will put up pics in a few days when it is all finished.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards
> Jerry Evans.
> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery
>
> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery   ----- The lower cost Data Recovery
> Alternative !
> We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack
> / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition
> Loss
> (FDISK).
> We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes.
> Visit our site:
> http://www.databak.co.za
> Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191
> Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787
> eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za
> Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From segray at mlode.com  Mon Jul 25 08:50:39 2005
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:50:39 -0700
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: buckeye diesel engine]
Message-ID: <42E50A4F.4090605@mlode.com>

Hi All -

  Got this in the box this morning. Anybody know anything about 
Buckeyes? Please contact directly, they're not on the list.
Thanx

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jul 25 08:53:14 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:53:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
In-Reply-To: <20050725120146.SM00880@new>
Message-ID: <200507251553.j6PFr4Dg082145@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

> Hi List,
> 	Are we all insane or is it just me ??


Yes Jerry,
We are conquistadors of the useless, compulsive addicts of the absurd.

With engines, there is the expenditure of precious time, marital harmony,
financial stability,  set against the transitory pleasure of the reanimation of
a useless object, the thrill of the first "chuff," the fleeting satiation of an
irrational desire. The fact that there will always be a bigger or rarer engine
guarantees the desire can never be fully gratified.  This is the addiction.
Perhaps the desire is deeply rooted in the very absurdity of the undertaking. It
is so wonderfully pointless and meaningless that it has to be done.

Rob "Don't Call Me Simpson" Skinner






From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Jul 25 10:37:10 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:37:10 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
Message-ID: <12b.61a63d0f.30167d46@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/25/2005 6:17:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

<< Are we all insane or is it just me ?? >>


Jerry,

  Surely you do not think that the rest of the list members would attempt 
such a restoration of pieces of junk that even the recycle center would turn 
their nose at?  

Or take your wife on a 5 hour trip into the West Virginia mountains in 90 
degree weather to load a stationary hay baler, break one truck down, get home at 
midnight minus the trailer and haybaler, get up the next morning take another 
truck and drive back 5 hours to pick up the loaded trailer, drive home another 
5 hours, all to just say you have a stationary haybaler as a yard ornament at 
the end of your driveway!  

And you would even question the sanity of the other list members?  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Jul 25 10:47:26 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:47:26 +0100
Subject: [SEL] a contact in Denmark ?
References: <000201c58f5b$01cdfd40$b79381cb@ogborneuah38i3><002e01c58f64$a549b5a0$fa4c1152@no1>
	<000401c59123$24cc5160$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <000401c59140$ec9fb070$fa4c1152@no1>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] a contact in Denmark ?

> Hi Peter, The machine was made by Vilhelme Pedersen in the town of H?ng.
> In the 1990's they were taken over & now they are in the town of Slagelse.
> I have contacted them & they will supply any info they still have of the model 308.
> The oldest employee is on holiday & he might know more.
> The website is http://www.pedersen-spares.com/
> Anyone interested can see Peters pictures of the machine at
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/402421812biFqvZ
> I hope this helps, Dave Croft

Please note that I have changed the Pederson website address
Dave Croft



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 11:47:34 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:47:34 +0100
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: buckeye diesel engine]
In-Reply-To: <42E50A4F.4090605@mlode.com>
References: <42E50A4F.4090605@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605072511471be52c4@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/25/05, Steve Gray <segray at mlode.com> wrote:
> Hi All -
> 
>   Got this in the box this morning. Anybody know anything about
> Buckeyes? Please contact directly, they're not on the list.
> Thanx
> 
> --
> Steve Gray

We have a manual for the larger engines, model 80, 5-cylinder 300hp.....

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 25 11:58:30 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:58:30 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
Message-ID: <BAY103-F14F962ED911C55BD27A5CEC8CA0@phx.gbl>

Here are some pictures for your viewing pleasure.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton05/charlton05.html

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Jul 25 10:38:19 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:38:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
Message-ID: <20050725.135716.1408.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Jerry,

It's good to see people with the kind of patience it takes to perform the
work you're doing.

I will usually start out in the right path but soon get anxious and start
braking things.

What's wrong with working at 3 AM in the workshop?

Keep us posted.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From segray at mlode.com  Mon Jul 25 13:00:54 2005
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:00:54 -0700
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: buckeye diesel engine]
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605072511471be52c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <42E50A4F.4090605@mlode.com>
	<6f60251605072511471be52c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42E544F6.20601@mlode.com>

I'll pass it on. Thanks, Peter.

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



Listerdiesel wrote:

>On 7/25/05, Steve Gray <segray at mlode.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi All -
>>
>>  Got this in the box this morning. Anybody know anything about
>>Buckeyes? Please contact directly, they're not on the list.
>>Thanx
>>
>>--
>>Steve Gray
>>    
>>
>
>We have a manual for the larger engines, model 80, 5-cylinder 300hp.....
>
>Peter
>  
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Jul 25 13:25:05 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:25:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: buckeye diesel engine]
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605072511471be52c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <42E50A4F.4090605@mlode.com>
	<6f60251605072511471be52c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050725162311.0c5adb38@mail.alltel.net>


>We have a manual for the larger engines, model 80, 5-cylinder 300hp.....
>
>Peter

Hi Peter, Exactly how do you think that will help?
         Dave
PS, I have a manual for a 180 HP F-M, but I don't think that will help a 
lot either! 



From wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com  Mon Jul 25 14:29:38 2005
From: wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com (Bill Calvert)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:29:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine transport from Oklahoma to Portland
Message-ID: <E7327343C546D71194F30090273D39C4633447@HP-LC3>

Rob

At this time I am planning to be in Portland with a trailer.  I could
transport from Fort Smith Ar to Portland if my plans don't get changed.

Bill Calvert 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Skinner [mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com] 
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 9:56 PM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 'The SEL email discussion list';
'Oil Field Engine Society mailing list'
Cc: 'alec'
Subject: [SEL] Engine transport from Oklahoma to Portland

Hi kids,
I just got an email from Alec Stevens.  He can't send messages to the
list from home, so he's asked me to convey his request.  
 
Alec just bought an engine on ebay, a 2 1/4 horse Galloway, that is in
Piedmont, Oklahoma.  It's on wheels.  Can anyone pick it up on their way
to Portland?  
 
If you can help out, respond here or email Alec directly at
1lunger at maine.rr.com
 
The engine can be seen at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7530674851>
&rd=1&item=7530674851
 
 
=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com <http://www.rustyiron.com/>  
 
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From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Mon Jul 25 15:06:59 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:06:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <01ad01c58fd1$0056ea00$546ea618@pengy>
	<6f60251605072413367a0e173@mail.gmail.com>
	<003a01c590a5$e81c9cc0$546ea618@pengy>
	<6f60251605072502121e1a664a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601c59165$2e1500e0$546ea618@pengy>

I have Roadrunner cable here and its the best.  My problem was that I didn't 
put the correct pop3 addess in the outlook express so I couldn't send 
emails.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:12 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] test


> On 7/25/05, Rick Rowlands <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com> wrote:
>> Actually I just moved and I was having trouble sending out emails so I 
>> sent
>> the test to make sure that I could send and recieve.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Rick
>>
>
> Can you get DSL at your new place?  well worth having if you can get it 
> :-))
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From guitronics at comcast.net  Mon Jul 25 16:24:57 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:24:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
In-Reply-To: <001101c59103$f5b73080$ae9f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <20050725120146.SM00880@new>
	<001101c59103$f5b73080$ae9f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <42E574C9.1070905@comcast.net>


Sadly, the short answer is...yes.

        It's called obsessive/compulsive disorder, or simply : OCD.

Then again,many,many people have this and don't even realize it. You 
have your Fishing Fanatics, Racing Fanatics, Trading (Ebay) 
Fanatics,Computer "Nerds",Woodworker freaks, Auto restorers,CB Radio 
nuts, Ham Radio Nuts, Music Collectors, Comic Book Collectors, ......the 
list is endless.

My biggest problem is to just focus on one obsession at a time....they 
all seem to run together.

peter ogborne wrote:

> Now i understand how you came by the theory of 
> Boomerangs............you are mad !
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 11:50 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
>
>
>> Hi List,
>> Are we all insane or is it just me ??
>>
>> Last night I worked until 3.00 am in the cold of winter in my unheated
>> workshop, restoring an old fire extinguisher cannister that cost me less
>> than US$0.50 at a scrapyard. It was rotten, dented and had holes in 
>> it. I
>> had it sandblasted, welded the holes closed, fixed the dents and 
>> brazed 2
>> brass sockets into it. So far it has taken me about 6 hours and I 
>> have not
>> even got a coat of primer on it yet!
>>
>> Oh yes - that 6 hours does not include the 4 hours spent before the
>> sandblasting when I copied the label and drew it on a graphics 
>> programme so
>> that I can have a new one printed when I am finished.
>>
>> Why, you may ask? Well it is an old one made in England in the 1950's 
>> and
>> is made with rivets and solder - not like the new ones that are all 
>> welded.
>> It is destined to be the water tank on the Ruston & Hornsby PT that I 
>> have
>> nearly finished restoring and has to go to a show on Saturday.
>>
>> I am also making a "toolbox"  (with dovetailed joints) from Oregon Pine
>> that it will mount on. This Oregon Pine has a history as well. In the 
>> 80's
>> I was doing building renovations and I replaced the oregon floor  in 
>> an old
>> building in central Johannesburg. The building dated to the early 
>> 1900's. I
>> used some of this wood in a ceiling in my house but subsequently removed
>> some of it and it is this wood I'm using for the toolbox. So it is 
>> over 100
>> years old and into it's third life now.
>>
>> I will put up pics in a few days when it is all finished.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards
>> Jerry Evans.
>> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery
>>
>> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery   ----- The lower cost Data Recovery
>> Alternative !
>> We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus 
>> attack
>> / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or 
>> Partition Loss
>> (FDISK).
>> We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes.
>> Visit our site:
>> http://www.databak.co.za
>> Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191
>> Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787
>> eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za
>> Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From WinkAndGinger at aol.com  Mon Jul 25 16:36:37 2005
From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:36:37 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
Message-ID: <158.554fbe40.3016d185@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/25/2005 9:19:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
rskinner at rustyiron.com writes:


> 
> Yes Jerry,
> We are conquistadors of the useless, compulsive addicts of the absurd.
> 
> With engines, there is the expenditure of precious time, marital harmony,
> financial stability,  set against the transitory pleasure of the reanimation 
> of
> a useless object, the thrill of the first "chuff," the fleeting satiation of 
> an
> irrational desire. The fact that there will always be a bigger or rarer 
> engine
> guarantees the desire can never be fully gratified.  This is the addiction.
> Perhaps the desire is deeply rooted in the very absurdity of the 
> undertaking. It
> is so wonderfully pointless and meaningless that it has to be done.
> 
> Rob "Don't Call Me Simpson" Skinner
> 

Yup!    I know I fit the discription, 'cause I understood what Rob was 
saying!

Wink & Ginger Thornton, 
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=


From jbcast at charter.net  Mon Jul 25 16:38:32 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:38:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: buckeye diesel engine]
Message-ID: <48vksc$180o928@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net>


> > 
> >   Got this in the box this morning. Anybody know anything about
> > Buckeyes? Please contact directly, they're not on the list.
I have a manual for the 100hp Buckeye that was in GEM a while ago. I missed the first part of this message, don't know who's looking for what.
J.B. Castagnos


From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Mon Jul 25 16:43:03 2005
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:43:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
In-Reply-To: <200507251553.j6PFr4Dg082145@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <BF0AC717.9F44%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

Now you all know what  I'm up against...

[sigh]
-- 
Kelley Garcia
La Habra, Ka.
USA



On 7/25/05 8:53 AM, "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:

>> Hi List,
>> Are we all insane or is it just me ??
> 
> 
> Yes Jerry,
> We are conquistadors of the useless, compulsive addicts of the absurd.
> 
> With engines, there is the expenditure of precious time, marital harmony,
> financial stability,  set against the transitory pleasure of the reanimation
> of
> a useless object, the thrill of the first "chuff," the fleeting satiation of
> an
> irrational desire. The fact that there will always be a bigger or rarer engine
> guarantees the desire can never be fully gratified.  This is the addiction.
> Perhaps the desire is deeply rooted in the very absurdity of the undertaking.
> It
> is so wonderfully pointless and meaningless that it has to be done.
> 
> Rob "Don't Call Me Simpson" Skinner
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Jul 25 18:36:22 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:36:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: buckeye diesel engine]
In-Reply-To: <48vksc$180o928@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net>
References: <48vksc$180o928@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <073ec3eb7df8e8938558cd6192c1ab96@chartertn.net>

Here's the message that didn't get included with the List post. (I got 
it, too.)

We belong to the Mid Michigan Old gas tractor club.
we have three buckeye engines. we are trying to find some speficiations 
on the  if you could be of help we would appreciate it.
Harriett Romain

Reply to: hromain at fbconnectu.net

On Jul 25, 2005, at 7:38 PM, <jbcast at charter.net> wrote:

>
>>>
>>>   Got this in the box this morning. Anybody know anything about
>>> Buckeyes? Please contact directly, they're not on the list.
> I have a manual for the 100hp Buckeye that was in GEM a while ago. I 
> missed the first part of this message, don't know who's looking for 
> what.
> J.B. Castagnos


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From yostsw at atis.net  Mon Jul 25 22:22:27 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:22:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] List outages
Message-ID: <200507260122270484.1F9A35DF@heavyiron.atis.net>

The lists are down because of a problem with my SPAM filtering service
provider.   I am working with them to resolve the issue.   Please bear with
us in the mean time.   There have been a few messages that have come in but
not the vast majority of them.

PS:  (I send to the lists locally so I can send this even though no one
else can)

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 23:38:12 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:38:12 +0100
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: buckeye diesel engine]
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050725162311.0c5adb38@mail.alltel.net>
References: <42E50A4F.4090605@mlode.com>
	<6f60251605072511471be52c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050725162311.0c5adb38@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f60251605072523387aee2e5b@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/25/05, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> 
> >We have a manual for the larger engines, model 80, 5-cylinder 300hp.....
> >
> >Peter
> 
> Hi Peter, Exactly how do you think that will help?
>          Dave
> PS, I have a manual for a 180 HP F-M, but I don't think that will help a
> lot either!
> 

Sorry, Dave, I should have said that it was a Buckeye manual and that
without anything else in the post to indicate which engine was being
discussed, that was all I could offer at that time.

I see that John Culp has included the original poster's info on a
subsequent post to the list.

We also have some F-M large engine manuals, covering the 7-cylinder
33E14, 6-Cylinder 33F12, 6-Cylinder 35F8-3/4 and 6-Cylinder 33E16. The
numbers after the 'F' in the engine type number give the cylinder bore
in inches.

If anyone needs any info out of these books, give me a shout. 

See you in less than a month....

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From Peterwoodmore at aol.com  Mon Jul 25 23:55:26 2005
From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 02:55:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
Message-ID: <5805C271.5318BA07.04B7CB00@aol.com>

I'm alright its the rest of the world thats mad

-- 
Woody
Peter Woodmore
Moorebank
NSW Australia
peterwoodmore at aol.com



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Jul 26 04:33:05 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:33:05 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
References: <BAY103-F14F962ED911C55BD27A5CEC8CA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001b01c591d5$cf3f4960$bb9781cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Beautiful pictures of those steam boats Luke...........working on mine!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 2:58 AM
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures


> Here are some pictures for your viewing pleasure.
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton05/charlton05.html
> 
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
>



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Jul 26 04:35:42 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:35:42 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Surprise calls from Dave
Message-ID: <001f01c591d6$2d866b20$bb9781cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Dave thanks for those welcome phone calls . I have told the owner of the 
machinery that i have an ''Overseas Expert '' on the job!
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Mon Jul 25 17:14:29 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:14:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
References: <20050725120146.SM00880@new>
	<001101c59103$f5b73080$ae9f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<42E574C9.1070905@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00ad01c59176$fde6ffb0$546ea618@pengy>

Everyone needs a purpose in life.  Hey lets face it, the get married, have 
kids, go in debt up to your eyeballs in suburbia thing has been way 
overdone, and in reality who would want to live that way!!!   I think its a 
far more rewarding life to bring old pieces of machinery back to life, get 
dirty, learn about our history and share our hobby with others who 
appreciate it.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael P. Koryciak" <guitronics at comcast.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Are we all insane??


>
> Sadly, the short answer is...yes.
>
>        It's called obsessive/compulsive disorder, or simply : OCD.
>
> Then again,many,many people have this and don't even realize it. You
> have your Fishing Fanatics, Racing Fanatics, Trading (Ebay)
> Fanatics,Computer "Nerds",Woodworker freaks, Auto restorers,CB Radio
> nuts, Ham Radio Nuts, Music Collectors, Comic Book Collectors, ......the
> list is endless.
>
> My biggest problem is to just focus on one obsession at a time....they
> all seem to run together.
>
> peter ogborne wrote:
>
>> Now i understand how you came by the theory of
>> Boomerangs............you are mad !
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 11:50 AM
>> Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
>>
>>
>>> Hi List,
>>> Are we all insane or is it just me ??
>>>
>>> Last night I worked until 3.00 am in the cold of winter in my unheated
>>> workshop, restoring an old fire extinguisher cannister that cost me less
>>> than US$0.50 at a scrapyard. It was rotten, dented and had holes in
>>> it. I
>>> had it sandblasted, welded the holes closed, fixed the dents and
>>> brazed 2
>>> brass sockets into it. So far it has taken me about 6 hours and I
>>> have not
>>> even got a coat of primer on it yet!
>>>
>>> Oh yes - that 6 hours does not include the 4 hours spent before the
>>> sandblasting when I copied the label and drew it on a graphics
>>> programme so
>>> that I can have a new one printed when I am finished.
>>>
>>> Why, you may ask? Well it is an old one made in England in the 1950's
>>> and
>>> is made with rivets and solder - not like the new ones that are all
>>> welded.
>>> It is destined to be the water tank on the Ruston & Hornsby PT that I
>>> have
>>> nearly finished restoring and has to go to a show on Saturday.
>>>
>>> I am also making a "toolbox"  (with dovetailed joints) from Oregon Pine
>>> that it will mount on. This Oregon Pine has a history as well. In the
>>> 80's
>>> I was doing building renovations and I replaced the oregon floor  in
>>> an old
>>> building in central Johannesburg. The building dated to the early
>>> 1900's. I
>>> used some of this wood in a ceiling in my house but subsequently removed
>>> some of it and it is this wood I'm using for the toolbox. So it is
>>> over 100
>>> years old and into it's third life now.
>>>
>>> I will put up pics in a few days when it is all finished.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Jerry Evans.
>>> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery
>>>
>>> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery   ----- The lower cost Data Recovery
>>> Alternative !
>>> We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus
>>> attack
>>> / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or
>>> Partition Loss
>>> (FDISK).
>>> We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes.
>>> Visit our site:
>>> http://www.databak.co.za
>>> Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191
>>> Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787
>>> eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za
>>> Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>


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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jul 26 06:05:55 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:05:55 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Surprise calls from Dave
References: <001f01c591d6$2d866b20$bb9781cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <001601c591e2$c34591c0$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [SEL] Surprise calls from Dave


> Dave thanks for those welcome phone calls . I have told the owner of the 
> machinery that i have an ''Overseas Expert '' on the job!
> Peter Ogborne

Hi Peter, I had an E mail this morning from Denmark saying that a 
Brochure for a 308 has been found & is being posted to me.
(I hope it is in English to save me doing a translation for you) 
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jul 26 07:36:19 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:36:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
In-Reply-To: <BF0AC717.9F44%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <BF0AC717.9F44%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <42E64A63.8010900@imc-group.com>

Now Kelley, lets be truthful. We have seen pictures of you far deeper in 
grease than Rob. Just who is being more tolerant? ! :-)
Ref: http://engines.rustyiron.com/piston/index.html  Last picture at the 
bottom of the page.

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Kelley Garcia wrote:

>Now you all know what  I'm up against...
>
>[sigh]
>  
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jul 26 08:25:33 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:25:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c59176$fde6ffb0$546ea618@pengy>
References: <20050725120146.SM00880@new>
	<001101c59103$f5b73080$ae9f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<42E574C9.1070905@comcast.net> <00ad01c59176$fde6ffb0$546ea618@pengy>
Message-ID: <3379.165.206.180.102.1122391533.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

Amen.

Bill

> Everyone needs a purpose in life.  Hey lets face it, the get married, have
> kids, go in debt up to your eyeballs in suburbia thing has been way
> overdone, and in reality who would want to live that way!!!   I think its
> a
> far more rewarding life to bring old pieces of machinery back to life, get
> dirty, learn about our history and share our hobby with others who
> appreciate it.
>
> Rick
>



From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Tue Jul 26 09:23:01 2005
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:23:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Are we all insane??
In-Reply-To: <42E64A63.8010900@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BF0BB175.9F82%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

SHHHHH!!!  Gee Curt, not everyone knows I'm just as bad as all you guys on
the list.  
Just looking for a little solace...
-- 
Kelley Garcia
La Habra, Ka.
USA



On 7/26/05 7:36 AM, "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:

> Now Kelley, lets be truthful. We have seen pictures of you far deeper in
> grease than Rob. Just who is being more tolerant? ! :-)
> Ref: http://engines.rustyiron.com/piston/index.html  Last picture at the
> bottom of the page.
> 
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> 
> Kelley Garcia wrote:
> 
>> Now you all know what  I'm up against...
>> 
>> [sigh]
>>  
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jul 26 17:43:05 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:43:05 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Jelbart
Message-ID: <012101c59244$30555fa0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I have just got off the phone. Ive had a call from the owner of a fully 
restored 4 to 5 hp Jelbart. Number 126. It is all original parts including 
the transport.
If any list member wants an engine that is a bit different................
Anyway, contact Ross Minehan at.
Minehan, Ross
E-mail Address(es):
  minehans at dragnet.com.au
Personal Information:
  Address:
    Minehan's Agricultural service
Sunnyside

    Stockinbingal NSW 2725
    Aust
  Phone: 0269431517

The time difference.  When its noon here its 10 pm in New York. 




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Jul 26 17:37:15 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:37:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
References: <BAY103-F14F962ED911C55BD27A5CEC8CA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00b701c59243$5662b220$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>

Luke:
  Great pics as usual.  Do you know who owns that big 7hp Blue Line Alamo?
I need to ask him a few questions.

Thanks,
Mike Royster

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:58 PM
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures


> Here are some pictures for your viewing pleasure.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton05/charlton05.html
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From FGreatwestern at aol.com  Tue Jul 26 17:44:44 2005
From: FGreatwestern at aol.com (FGreatwestern at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:44:44 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Mail
Message-ID: <126.61c0c491.301832fc@aol.com>

Is everything OK with the list?  I have no mail.  Very  unusual.  Thanks.
 
F Schultz in MI


From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Tue Jul 26 19:34:02 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:34:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] oil slinging Witte
References: <20050724.224254.880.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <006b01c59253$a79248d0$67f34c0c@D48VHZ61>

I was afraid this was "normal". Sure makes for a messy engine.

John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] oil slinging Witte


> Hi John,
> 
> Only thoughts I have:    I have a Stover CT-1 enclosed crank.
> 
> Slings oil from the Mag side.  Comes out the corners where the gaskets
> meet.
> Also comes out the bearing cap.  
> 
> Tried several times to seal it tight.
> 
> Can't.
> 
> No matter what I do - Seems to leak.
> 
> My Advice - - - Let it leak.
> 
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
> 



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jul 26 22:48:23 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:48:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] oil slinging Witte
References: <20050724.224254.880.1.jlb94@juno.com>
	<006b01c59253$a79248d0$67f34c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <01da01c5926f$47c1b730$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

>From memory, there is a one way breather on the top of the cover. This makes 
the engine'suck' back oil from the bearings and other 'wet' bits.
I had a couple of these in the past and they ran clean and dry. So, make 
sure this non return breather is ok.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hall" <jthall at worldnet.att.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] oil slinging Witte


>I was afraid this was "normal". Sure makes for a messy engine.
>
> John
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] oil slinging Witte
>
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Only thoughts I have:    I have a Stover CT-1 enclosed crank.
>>
>> Slings oil from the Mag side.  Comes out the corners where the gaskets
>> meet.
>> Also comes out the bearing cap.  Tried several times to seal it tight.
>>
>> Can't.
>>
>> No matter what I do - Seems to leak.
>>
>> My Advice - - - Let it leak.
>>
>>
>> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jul 26 22:51:44 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:51:44 +1000
Subject: [SEL] jelbart
Message-ID: <01db01c5926f$4943ea60$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Further to my last mail on this engine.
I have no further info so, go to Ross about it.
I just passed on the tip as they are a rarer breed of engine and dont appear 
that often.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 27 03:58:57 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:58:57 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
In-Reply-To: <00b701c59243$5662b220$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F72124C3A8DA4416633C0DC8CC0@phx.gbl>

Sorry, I don't know who hauled it in. I'll try to find out for you......

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
===============================

>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
>Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:37:15 -0400
>
>Luke:
>   Great pics as usual.  Do you know who owns that big 7hp Blue Line Alamo?
>I need to ask him a few questions.
>
>Thanks,
>Mike Royster
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:58 PM
>Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
>
>
> > Here are some pictures for your viewing pleasure.
> >
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton05/charlton05.html
> >
> > Luke Tonneberger
> > Rockford, Michigan
> > USA
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Wed Jul 27 06:18:02 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:18:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
Message-ID: <20050727131802.10718.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com>


Been running crazy....Show pictures from the past several shows are now on
the web page...There seem to be more tractor pictures, but Some of them
are really good tractors and not the common run of the mill....red vs
green vs blue vs orange...

If you have any feedback, pages loads too slow, let me know offlist.  I
can split into more pages if needed.  Should be ok on high speed.


Will County, IL 2005 - Engines and tractors were down due to the heat
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005WillCounty1.htm

Downtown Downers Grove, IL - Friday Night Cruz In July 22 - fun time
several blocks from my house.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005DGCruz.htm

Rosholt Area Threshermen - Rosholt, WI - 2005 (2 pages)
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Rosholt1.htm

Crown Point, IN - 2005 (2 pages)
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005CrownPoint1.htm

Bourbonnais, IL 2005
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Bourbonnais.htm


This week (starting today, we have a display at our local County Fair). 
This is in the middle of suburbia ~35 miles west of Chicago.

Steve


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 27 06:56:10 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:56:10 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill Pictures
Message-ID: <BAY103-F248972F52D4E249BB86B2BC8CC0@phx.gbl>

Hi Everybody,

I finished up working on my shingle mill. It is ready to make shingles now.  
You can see pictures of the before and after here:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/shinglemill/shinglemill.html

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From oldengineman at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 27 07:09:35 2005
From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Peter Stauffer)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:09:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F72124C3A8DA4416633C0DC8CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F11321734AD62F5D562C978C4CC0@phx.gbl>

Mike,
What do you need to know about a 7 hp. Alamo Blue Line?  I have an Empire 
(Cream Seperator Co.) 7 hp. that was made by Alamo.  Same as the "Blue 
Line".  It is throttle goverened and setup to start on gasoline and then run 
on kero.  It is fired by an ignitor with a Wizard Magneto, sorta like a 
Webster.  Maybe I can help.

Pete Stauffer

>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
>Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:58:57 +0000
>
>Sorry, I don't know who hauled it in. I'll try to find out for you......
>
>Luke Tonneberger
>Rockford, Michigan
>USA
>===============================
>
>>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
>>Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:37:15 -0400
>>
>>Luke:
>>   Great pics as usual.  Do you know who owns that big 7hp Blue Line 
>>Alamo?
>>I need to ask him a few questions.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Mike Royster
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:58 PM
>>Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
>>
>>
>> > Here are some pictures for your viewing pleasure.
>> >
>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton05/charlton05.html
>> >
>> > Luke Tonneberger
>> > Rockford, Michigan
>> > USA
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jul 27 07:12:07 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 08:12:07 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
References: <20050727131802.10718.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV44BAA626C1DC74D77AF6BBBCC0@phx.gbl>

Having one of the slowest dialups..your thumnails load very fast, and takes 
less than a minute to enlarge one...well within tolerable limits!  Thought 
you'd like to know

Good job Steve.
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Barr" <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:18 AM
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports


>
> Been running crazy....Show pictures from the past several shows are now on
> the web page...There seem to be more tractor pictures, but Some of them
> are really good tractors and not the common run of the mill....red vs
> green vs blue vs orange...
>
> If you have any feedback, pages loads too slow, let me know offlist.  I
> can split into more pages if needed.  Should be ok on high speed.
>
>
> Will County, IL 2005 - Engines and tractors were down due to the heat
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005WillCounty1.htm
>
> Downtown Downers Grove, IL - Friday Night Cruz In July 22 - fun time
> several blocks from my house.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005DGCruz.htm
>
> Rosholt Area Threshermen - Rosholt, WI - 2005 (2 pages)
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Rosholt1.htm
>
> Crown Point, IN - 2005 (2 pages)
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005CrownPoint1.htm
>
> Bourbonnais, IL 2005
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Bourbonnais.htm
>
>
> This week (starting today, we have a display at our local County Fair).
> This is in the middle of suburbia ~35 miles west of Chicago.
>
> Steve
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul 27 07:43:39 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:43:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill Pictures
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F248972F52D4E249BB86B2BC8CC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F248972F52D4E249BB86B2BC8CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507271042240.59800@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Luke,

Wow, that sure is a nice piece of work!  That's the first shingle mill
I've seen where the blade is horizontal.  I'd love to see that in
operation.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> I finished up working on my shingle mill. It is ready to make shingles now.
> You can see pictures of the before and after here:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/shinglemill/shinglemill.html



From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jul 27 07:41:15 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:41:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F11321734AD62F5D562C978C4CC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F72124C3A8DA4416633C0DC8CC0@phx.gbl>
	<BAY101-F11321734AD62F5D562C978C4CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1550.165.206.180.102.1122475275.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

I have a color catelog that might help as well - if I can find it.....
It's original Alamo issue from about 1919 or so.

Bill

> Mike,
> What do you need to know about a 7 hp. Alamo Blue Line?  I have an Empire
> (Cream Seperator Co.) 7 hp. that was made by Alamo.  Same as the "Blue
> Line".  It is throttle goverened and setup to start on gasoline and then
> run
> on kero.  It is fired by an ignitor with a Wizard Magneto, sorta like a
> Webster.  Maybe I can help.
>
> Pete Stauffer
>
>>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
>>Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:58:57 +0000
>>
>>Sorry, I don't know who hauled it in. I'll try to find out for you......
>>
>>Luke Tonneberger
>>Rockford, Michigan
>>USA
>>===============================
>>
>>>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
>>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
>>>Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:37:15 -0400
>>>
>>>Luke:
>>>   Great pics as usual.  Do you know who owns that big 7hp Blue Line
>>>Alamo?
>>>I need to ask him a few questions.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Mike Royster
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
>>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:58 PM
>>>Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
>>>
>>>
>>> > Here are some pictures for your viewing pleasure.
>>> >
>>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton05/charlton05.html
>>> >
>>> > Luke Tonneberger
>>> > Rockford, Michigan
>>> > USA
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > SEL mailing list
>>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Wed Jul 27 07:43:54 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:43:54 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
References: 84627693
Message-ID: <004101c592b9$9d0ce440$0301a8c0@Cam>

Very, very nice Steve. Cheers Cam.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Barr" <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:18 PM
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports


>
> Been running crazy....Show pictures from the past several shows are now on
> the web page...There seem to be more tractor pictures, but Some of them
> are really good tractors and not the common run of the mill....red vs
> green vs blue vs orange...
>
> If you have any feedback, pages loads too slow, let me know offlist.  I
> can split into more pages if needed.  Should be ok on high speed.
>
>
> Will County, IL 2005 - Engines and tractors were down due to the heat
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005WillCounty1.htm
>
> Downtown Downers Grove, IL - Friday Night Cruz In July 22 - fun time
> several blocks from my house.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005DGCruz.htm
>
> Rosholt Area Threshermen - Rosholt, WI - 2005 (2 pages)
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Rosholt1.htm
>
> Crown Point, IN - 2005 (2 pages)
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005CrownPoint1.htm
>
> Bourbonnais, IL 2005
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Bourbonnais.htm
>
>
> This week (starting today, we have a display at our local County Fair).
> This is in the middle of suburbia ~35 miles west of Chicago.
>
> Steve
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul 27 09:20:02 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:20:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Setup of List Area at Portland (Second Post)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507201355220.39998@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507201355220.39998@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507271210230.59800@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Gee, this is a little disappointing.  Here we are about 27 days before
Portland and no one has stepped up to setup the list area on Friday August
19th.  Is it possible that no one is going to Portland this year?  8-))

Or is it that you've all gotten so sick of each other that the last thing
that you want to do is to setup anywhere near other list folks?

So lets try again shall we.  Are there any list folks who will be at
Portland (or who live within a couple of hours drive of Portland) who
would be willing to be there and do the setup on Friday?

Recall that the letter that just came from Tri-State said they have
changed the layout for the show this year so we'll need to check in with
one of the directors on Friday to see what area is available.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> Its that time of year again; time to discuss who among us can step up
> and serve the needs of the many.  We're talking about the annual Portland
> land grab.  Namely being at Portland on the Friday before the show (August
> 19th) to reserve and stake out an area for the folks on the Stationary
> Engine List to call their own and setup in.
>
> Do we have one or more volunteers?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com



From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jul 27 09:17:25 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:17:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
Message-ID: <20050727.121755.868.3.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Steve,

Very good job on the pics.

Everything loads fairly fast considering I'm on "dial-up".

No Problems.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
 \/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 27 10:04:44 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:04:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Setup of List Area at Portland (Second Post)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507271210230.59800@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F1758A072CE72CDED63FB54C8CC0@phx.gbl>

Hi Arnie,

I'm about 5.5 hours away. If I was a little closer I would be glad to do it. 
But that is a little too far for me. It seems that the tractors will be 
across the road to the East from the spot we've had in years past. Do we 
want to try and stay in the same spot or go out to where the tractors used 
to be to the North? Seems that there are no trees out that way where the 
trators used to be.  There are always plenty of canopies, but would be nice 
to have some shade trees around also. To me, it doesn't really matter where 
we're at as long as the SEL is together. Would be nice to get some input 
from the others on their preference of where we set up. Would be nice to 
know if someone closer to Portland can grab some property for the SEL.

Is Leroy going to grab the land in the low rent district for the camping?

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
================================
>From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: Stationary Engine List <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Setup of List Area at Portland (Second Post)
>Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:20:02 -0400 (EDT)
>
>Hi Folks,
>
>Gee, this is a little disappointing.  Here we are about 27 days before
>Portland and no one has stepped up to setup the list area on Friday August
>19th.  Is it possible that no one is going to Portland this year?  8-))
>
>Or is it that you've all gotten so sick of each other that the last thing
>that you want to do is to setup anywhere near other list folks?
>
>So lets try again shall we.  Are there any list folks who will be at
>Portland (or who live within a couple of hours drive of Portland) who
>would be willing to be there and do the setup on Friday?
>
>Recall that the letter that just came from Tri-State said they have
>changed the layout for the show this year so we'll need to check in with
>one of the directors on Friday to see what area is available.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Arnie Fero wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > Its that time of year again; time to discuss who among us can step up
> > and serve the needs of the many.  We're talking about the annual 
>Portland
> > land grab.  Namely being at Portland on the Friday before the show 
>(August
> > 19th) to reserve and stake out an area for the folks on the Stationary
> > Engine List to call their own and setup in.
> >
> > Do we have one or more volunteers?
> >
> > See ya,  Arnie
> >
> > Arnie Fero
> > Pittsburgh, PA
> > fero_ah at city-net.com




From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jul 27 10:28:14 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:28:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Setup of List Area at Portland (Second Post)
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F1758A072CE72CDED63FB54C8CC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F1758A072CE72CDED63FB54C8CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42E7C42E.9020207@imc-group.com>

Luke,
I agree! I'd rather take a chance on a little standing water under the 
canopy of the trees, instead of baking in the direct sun. Unless we no 
longer have a choice.....can someone in the know remind us of the 
circumstances prompting our move???
Curt Holland
10 hours drive and 27 days from Portland.

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Hi Arnie,
>
> I'm about 5.5 hours away. If I was a little closer I would be glad to 
> do it. But that is a little too far for me. It seems that the tractors 
> will be across the road to the East from the spot we've had in years 
> past. Do we want to try and stay in the same spot or go out to where 
> the tractors used to be to the North? Seems that there are no trees 
> out that way where the trators used to be.  There are always plenty of 
> canopies, but would be nice to have some shade trees around also. To 
> me, it doesn't really matter where we're at as long as the SEL is 
> together. Would be nice to get some input from the others on their 
> preference of where we set up. Would be nice to know if someone closer 
> to Portland can grab some property for the SEL.
>
> Is Leroy going to grab the land in the low rent district for the camping?
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
> ================================
>
>> From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list 
>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> To: Stationary Engine List <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Subject: [SEL] Setup of List Area at Portland (Second Post)
>> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:20:02 -0400 (EDT)
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Gee, this is a little disappointing.  Here we are about 27 days before
>> Portland and no one has stepped up to setup the list area on Friday 
>> August
>> 19th.  Is it possible that no one is going to Portland this year?  8-))
>>
>> Or is it that you've all gotten so sick of each other that the last 
>> thing
>> that you want to do is to setup anywhere near other list folks?
>>
>> So lets try again shall we.  Are there any list folks who will be at
>> Portland (or who live within a couple of hours drive of Portland) who
>> would be willing to be there and do the setup on Friday?
>>
>> Recall that the letter that just came from Tri-State said they have
>> changed the layout for the show this year so we'll need to check in with
>> one of the directors on Friday to see what area is available.
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Arnie Fero wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Folks,
>> >
>> > Its that time of year again; time to discuss who among us can step up
>> > and serve the needs of the many.  We're talking about the annual 
>> Portland
>> > land grab.  Namely being at Portland on the Friday before the show 
>> (August
>> > 19th) to reserve and stake out an area for the folks on the Stationary
>> > Engine List to call their own and setup in.
>> >
>> > Do we have one or more volunteers?
>> >
>> > See ya,  Arnie
>> >
>> > Arnie Fero
>> > Pittsburgh, PA
>> > fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
>
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From nick at holden1.net  Wed Jul 27 10:55:23 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:55:23 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] Mail
References: <126.61c0c491.301832fc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42E7CA8B.000003.02588@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

its working heair
 
 
Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
 nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
-------Original Message-------
 
From: FGreatwestern at aol.com
Date: 07/27/05 02:01:25
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Mail
 
Is everything OK with the list?  I have no mail.  Very  unusual.  Thanks.
 
F Schultz in MI
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From oldengin at udata.com  Wed Jul 27 12:26:36 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:26:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Setup of List Area at Portland (Second Post)
In-Reply-To: <42E7C42E.9020207@imc-group.com>
References: <BAY103-F1758A072CE72CDED63FB54C8CC0@phx.gbl>
	<42E7C42E.9020207@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <42E7DFEC.3020500@udata.com>

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

>
>> Hi Arnie,
>>  
>>
>> Is Leroy going to grab the land in the low rent district for the 
>> camping?
>>
>> Luke Tonneberger
>> Rockford, Michigan
>> USA
>> ================================
>>
Yes at this time I plan to grab the camping ground for the low rent 
area.  You want, or need in?

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Wed Jul 27 15:33:05 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:33:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] oil slinging Witte
References: <20050724.224254.880.1.jlb94@juno.com><006b01c59253$a79248d0$67f34c0c@D48VHZ61>
	<01da01c5926f$47c1b730$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <004201c592fb$28d8f180$d8ea4c0c@D48VHZ61>

The breather on this one vents to the gear train. There is something that 
reminds me of a PVC valve at the bottom of the gear train with a ball for a 
chack valve that allows the oil from to re-enter the crankcase.

John


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 1:48 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] oil slinging Witte


> >From memory, there is a one way breather on the top of the cover. This 
> >makes
> the engine'suck' back oil from the bearings and other 'wet' bits.
> I had a couple of these in the past and they ran clean and dry. So, make 
> sure this non return breather is ok.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Hall" <jthall at worldnet.att.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] oil slinging Witte
>
>
>>I was afraid this was "normal". Sure makes for a messy engine.
>>
>> John
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] oil slinging Witte
>>
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> Only thoughts I have:    I have a Stover CT-1 enclosed crank.
>>>
>>> Slings oil from the Mag side.  Comes out the corners where the gaskets
>>> meet.
>>> Also comes out the bearing cap.  Tried several times to seal it tight.
>>>
>>> Can't.
>>>
>>> No matter what I do - Seems to leak.
>>>
>>> My Advice - - - Let it leak.
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>>
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From FGreatwestern at aol.com  Wed Jul 27 15:36:12 2005
From: FGreatwestern at aol.com (FGreatwestern at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:36:12 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Mail
Message-ID: <6d.4a136769.3019665c@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/27/2005 2:13:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
nick at holden1.net writes:

its  working heair





Nick  Holden

Banbury

Oxfordshire  (UK)

nick at holden1.net

http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden

-------Original  Message-------



From: FGreatwestern at aol.com

Date:  07/27/05 02:01:25

To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com

Subject:  [SEL] Mail



Is everything OK with the list?  I have no  mail.  Very  unusual.  Thanks.



F Schultz in  MI

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Thanks, Nick.  Is seems to be OK now here.
 
Fred in MI USA


From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 27 16:00:29 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:00:29 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill Pictures
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507271042240.59800@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <BAY103-F248972F52D4E249BB86B2BC8CC0@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0507271042240.59800@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <42E8120D.7060400@earthlink.net>

Hi Arnie,

Here's  another one with a horizontal blade. Belted up and running. Not 
as nice looking as Lukes, but fun to watch in action.

http://frapa.us/Photos/CiderDays04/CD010.html

http://frapa.us/Photos/CiderDays04/CD006.html

Jeff Allen

Arnie Fero wrote:

>Hi Luke,
>
>Wow, that sure is a nice piece of work!  That's the first shingle mill
>I've seen where the blade is horizontal.  I'd love to see that in
>operation.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Luke Tonneberger wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I finished up working on my shingle mill. It is ready to make shingles now.
>>You can see pictures of the before and after here:
>>
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/shinglemill/shinglemill.html
>>    
>>
>
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>
>
>  
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jul 27 16:06:49 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:06:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV141EC580CB0DB107C18810BBCC0@phx.gbl>

    what would ya think these would have been used on??  Got me stumped:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7532930376&category=58177&rd=1

RickinMt. 


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Wed Jul 27 08:13:38 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:13:38 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
References: <20050727131802.10718.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001401c592bd$c7acec00$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Thanks Steve for all those nice pics, lots of "looking" stuff.
I'm very happy with these two IHC pics of the waterpump.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2005Rosholt/054.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2005Rosholt/055.jpg

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web






From brianne at ultratune.com.au  Wed Jul 27 17:04:17 2005
From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:04:17 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Help Please
Message-ID: <00b501c59307$ea54d750$5154dccb@brian>

Hi Guys
I am not sure whether I have sent this before, not having had any rsponse, I guess not.
(Senior Moment maybe?)
At our Museum, we have several unidentified cutters/grinders etc. Most of them are hand operated and free standing, about 3 to 4 ft high.
I have placed pictures of them on our web site. If any one can help identify them, please contact me.
The web address is: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html 
Click on Machinery and then on the picture at the bottom of the group.
I will obtain all of the markings on them and add to the pictures later.
Many Thanks
Brian Taylor
Hervey Bay Historical Village & Museum
13 Zephyr St.
Scarness
Hervey Bay

From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Jul 27 17:07:57 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:07:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill Pictures
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F248972F52D4E249BB86B2BC8CC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F248972F52D4E249BB86B2BC8CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050727200721.03e41e38@mail.alltel.net>


>Hi Everybody,
>I finished up working on my shingle mill. It is ready to make shingles now.
>You can see pictures of the before and after here:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/shinglemill/shinglemill.html
>Luke Tonneberger

Nice job Luke--it looks GREAT!
         Dave



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Wed Jul 27 07:56:56 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:56:56 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill Pictures
References: <BAY103-F248972F52D4E249BB86B2BC8CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000f01c592bb$7496b2a0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Nice machine Luke, what hp power does it need to
run professional?

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



> I finished up working on my shingle mill. It is ready to make shingles now.  
> You can see pictures of the before and after here:
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/shinglemill/shinglemill.html
> 
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 27 17:16:44 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:16:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill Pictures
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507271042240.59800@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050728001644.42791.qmail@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey Arnie,
Right there is another reason why one of these years you should come on up to the Buckley show the
week before Portland.  We always have a shingle mill much like Luke's running.  Lots of folks grab
a shingle and take it to a couple nice guys that will brand it with the show date.  Something like
"BUCKLEY 2005" this year.

I would be very shocked if you didn't really like our show.

Alan Bowen
32 miles N.E. of Buckley & 6-1/2 hours North of Portland.

BTW,  I am very sad to say due to work I am most likely going to have to miss Portland this year.
8>(( 

--- Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> Hi Luke,
> 
> Wow, that sure is a nice piece of work!  That's the first shingle mill
> I've seen where the blade is horizontal.  I'd love to see that in
> operation.
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Luke Tonneberger wrote:
> 
> > I finished up working on my shingle mill. It is ready to make shingles now.
> > You can see pictures of the before and after here:
> >
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/shinglemill/shinglemill.html


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From gwaugh at wowway.com  Wed Jul 27 17:47:55 2005
From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:47:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill Pictures
In-Reply-To: <20050728001644.42791.qmail@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20050728001644.42791.qmail@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42E82B3B.3010307@wowway.com>

Also, Dick Gibbens of Louisiana has a similar shingle mill---mighty 
slick piece of equipment!!

-- 
Gene

Gene Waugh
Elgin, Illinois 60123 USA

Alan Bowen wrote:
> Hey Arnie,
> Right there is another reason why one of these years you should come on up to the Buckley show the
> week before Portland.  We always have a shingle mill much like Luke's running.  Lots of folks grab
> a shingle and take it to a couple nice guys that will brand it with the show date.  Something like
> "BUCKLEY 2005" this year.
> 
> I would be very shocked if you didn't really like our show.
> 
> Alan Bowen
> 32 miles N.E. of Buckley & 6-1/2 hours North of Portland.
> 
> BTW,  I am very sad to say due to work I am most likely going to have to miss Portland this year.
> 8>(( 
> 
> --- Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> 
> 




From yostsw at atis.net  Wed Jul 27 17:50:27 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:50:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Reminder
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200507272050270546.28EDF31A@heavyiron.atis.net>

Just a reminder to email me:

yostsw at atis.net

with charity auction nominations and to vote at:


http://www.antique-tractor.com/index.php


To vote you must create a user account.   It's real easy on this site and
can be found down on the bottom right hand portion of the screen

Take care,

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jul 27 18:27:25 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:27:25 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
References: <20050727131802.10718.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <038801c59315$ddd642d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

 Re Crown Point. The Sheldon is a dead ringer of the Waterloo Big Chief. Any 
pics of the engine plate?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Barr" <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:18 PM
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports


>
> Been running crazy....Show pictures from the past several shows are now on
> the web page...There seem to be more tractor pictures, but Some of them
> are really good tractors and not the common run of the mill....red vs
> green vs blue vs orange...
>
> If you have any feedback, pages loads too slow, let me know offlist.  I
> can split into more pages if needed.  Should be ok on high speed.
>
>
> Will County, IL 2005 - Engines and tractors were down due to the heat
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005WillCounty1.htm
>
> Downtown Downers Grove, IL - Friday Night Cruz In July 22 - fun time
> several blocks from my house.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005DGCruz.htm
>
> Rosholt Area Threshermen - Rosholt, WI - 2005 (2 pages)
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Rosholt1.htm
>
> Crown Point, IN - 2005 (2 pages)
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005CrownPoint1.htm
>
> Bourbonnais, IL 2005
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Bourbonnais.htm
>
>
> This week (starting today, we have a display at our local County Fair).
> This is in the middle of suburbia ~35 miles west of Chicago.
>
> Steve
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jul 27 19:08:29 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:08:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
References: <BAY103-F72124C3A8DA4416633C0DC8CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003401c59319$6240b340$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>

I'd appreciate it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures


> Sorry, I don't know who hauled it in. I'll try to find out for you......
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
> ===============================
>
> >From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:37:15 -0400
> >
> >Luke:
> >   Great pics as usual.  Do you know who owns that big 7hp Blue Line
Alamo?
> >I need to ask him a few questions.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Mike Royster
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> >To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:58 PM
> >Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >
> >
> > > Here are some pictures for your viewing pleasure.
> > >
> > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton05/charlton05.html
> > >
> > > Luke Tonneberger
> > > Rockford, Michigan
> > > USA
> > >
> > >
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jul 27 19:10:29 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:10:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo
References: <BAY101-F11321734AD62F5D562C978C4CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003f01c59319$872d8520$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>

Thanks Pete, I'll follow up with you.

Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Stauffer" <oldengineman at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo


> Mike,
> What do you need to know about a 7 hp. Alamo Blue Line?  I have an Empire
> (Cream Seperator Co.) 7 hp. that was made by Alamo.  Same as the "Blue
> Line".  It is throttle goverened and setup to start on gasoline and then
run
> on kero.  It is fired by an ignitor with a Wizard Magneto, sorta like a
> Webster.  Maybe I can help.
>
> Pete Stauffer
>
> >From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:58:57 +0000
> >
> >Sorry, I don't know who hauled it in. I'll try to find out for you......
> >
> >Luke Tonneberger
> >Rockford, Michigan
> >USA
> >===============================
> >
> >>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >>Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:37:15 -0400
> >>
> >>Luke:
> >>   Great pics as usual.  Do you know who owns that big 7hp Blue Line
> >>Alamo?
> >>I need to ask him a few questions.
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>Mike Royster
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> >>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:58 PM
> >>Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >>
> >>
> >> > Here are some pictures for your viewing pleasure.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton05/charlton05.html
> >> >
> >> > Luke Tonneberger
> >> > Rockford, Michigan
> >> > USA
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > SEL mailing list
> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jul 27 19:12:33 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:12:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo
References: <BAY103-F72124C3A8DA4416633C0DC8CC0@phx.gbl>
	<BAY101-F11321734AD62F5D562C978C4CC0@phx.gbl>
	<1550.165.206.180.102.1122475275.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c59319$d122a020$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>

It's the mixer.  Someone has altered mine.  I'd love to see the catalog view
if possible.

Thanks, Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo


> I have a color catelog that might help as well - if I can find it.....
> It's original Alamo issue from about 1919 or so.
>
> Bill
>
> > Mike,
> > What do you need to know about a 7 hp. Alamo Blue Line?  I have an
Empire
> > (Cream Seperator Co.) 7 hp. that was made by Alamo.  Same as the "Blue
> > Line".  It is throttle goverened and setup to start on gasoline and then
> > run
> > on kero.  It is fired by an ignitor with a Wizard Magneto, sorta like a
> > Webster.  Maybe I can help.
> >
> > Pete Stauffer
> >
> >>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >>Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:58:57 +0000
> >>
> >>Sorry, I don't know who hauled it in. I'll try to find out for you......
> >>
> >>Luke Tonneberger
> >>Rockford, Michigan
> >>USA
> >>===============================
> >>
> >>>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> >>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
> >>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >>>Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:37:15 -0400
> >>>
> >>>Luke:
> >>>   Great pics as usual.  Do you know who owns that big 7hp Blue Line
> >>>Alamo?
> >>>I need to ask him a few questions.
> >>>
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>Mike Royster
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> >>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:58 PM
> >>>Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > Here are some pictures for your viewing pleasure.
> >>> >
> >>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton05/charlton05.html
> >>> >
> >>> > Luke Tonneberger
> >>> > Rockford, Michigan
> >>> > USA
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > _______________________________________________
> >>> > SEL mailing list
> >>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
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> >>
> >>
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jul 27 19:36:42 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:36:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
Message-ID: <20050727.224044.252.1.jlb94@juno.com>

what would ya think these would have been used on??  Got me stumped:
=        =        =        =        =        

Oil Level Gage  (not oilers) for  Model "A" or "T" ???  on oil pan.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.         "What I can do, 
\/)"(\/        together we can do better."   (R.W. Arbes)
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From christison at coastalnet.com  Wed Jul 27 20:29:06 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:29:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
Message-ID: <410-2200574283296156@coastalnet.com>

Here is a catalog entry for these oil guages:
http://www.oldiron-nut.com/temp/lunk.jpg

Take care.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: Corky Harris <mtmidway3 at msn.com>
> Date: 7/27/2005 7:06:51 PM
> Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
>
>     what would ya think these would have been used on??  Got me stumped:
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7532930376&category=58177
&rd=1
>
> RickinMt. 






From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jul 27 20:56:58 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:56:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo
In-Reply-To: <004b01c59319$d122a020$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200507280357.j6S3v5Ub038154@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

I found the book - 
There are several engines listed:
Blue line, which does not show a 7hp but came in 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 12 and
15hp , 
(the 6hp cost $176)
"hopper jacket" engine, 

"Standard hopper jacket" engine, 

"standard" which came in 5, 7, 10, 12, 15, 20 and 25hp......

And others................

The pics of the carb aren't great, but tomorrow night I'll try to post some
of the better engine and parts photos from the book.

Bill
  

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:13 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo

It's the mixer.  Someone has altered mine.  I'd love to see the catalog view
if possible.

Thanks, Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo


> I have a color catelog that might help as well - if I can find it.....
> It's original Alamo issue from about 1919 or so.
>
> Bill
>
> > Mike,
> > What do you need to know about a 7 hp. Alamo Blue Line?  I have an
Empire
> > (Cream Seperator Co.) 7 hp. that was made by Alamo.  Same as the "Blue
> > Line".  It is throttle goverened and setup to start on gasoline and then
> > run
> > on kero.  It is fired by an ignitor with a Wizard Magneto, sorta like a
> > Webster.  Maybe I can help.
> >
> > Pete Stauffer
> >
> >>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >>Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:58:57 +0000
> >>
> >>Sorry, I don't know who hauled it in. I'll try to find out for you......
> >>
> >>Luke Tonneberger
> >>Rockford, Michigan
> >>USA
> >>===============================
> >>
> >>>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> >>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
> >>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >>>Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:37:15 -0400
> >>>
> >>>Luke:
> >>>   Great pics as usual.  Do you know who owns that big 7hp Blue Line
> >>>Alamo?
> >>>I need to ask him a few questions.
> >>>
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>Mike Royster
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> >>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:58 PM
> >>>Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > Here are some pictures for your viewing pleasure.
> >>> >
> >>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton05/charlton05.html
> >>> >
> >>> > Luke Tonneberger
> >>> > Rockford, Michigan




From lfevans at pacbell.net  Wed Jul 27 21:27:56 2005
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:27:56 -0700
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
In-Reply-To: <410-2200574283296156@coastalnet.com>
References: <410-2200574283296156@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050727212548.02503a48@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

Ken......

You beat me to it.  I was about to scan the page in my 1908 Lunkenheimer 
catalog when your message came in.  The pictures are the same but the text 
is a little different.  Interesting to note that the price range for Fig. 
529 in 1908 is $0.80 to $1.40.  What year is your catalog?  Its price range 
for same item is $5.70 to $9.00.

Regards,
Larry

At 08:29 PM 7/27/2005, you wrote:
>Here is a catalog entry for these oil guages:
>http://www.oldiron-nut.com/temp/lunk.jpg
>
>Take care.
>
>Ken

Larry Evans
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Wed Jul 27 18:44:31 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:44:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Reminder
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200507272050270546.28EDF31A@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <007a01c59315$e6c20b40$546ea618@pengy>

Spencer,

You need to trash that Antique Tractor.com.  I can't log in.  I tried to get 
a new password.  I still cannot log in.  Its a very user unfriendly site.  I 
give up.

I didn't know that the antique tractor guys were so untrustworthy that you 
have to put a site security system up that's so tight that nobody can get 
in.

Maybe that's why out of the hundreds of ATIS list members there are only 
seven votes for the charity auction proceeds.  Nobody can get into the damn 
site!!

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 8:50 PM
Subject: [SEL] Reminder


> Just a reminder to email me:
>
> yostsw at atis.net
>
> with charity auction nominations and to vote at:
>
>
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/index.php
>
>
> To vote you must create a user account.   It's real easy on this site and
> can be found down on the bottom right hand portion of the screen
>
> Take care,
>
> Spencer Yost
> Owner, ATIS
> Plow the Net!
> http://www.atis.net
>
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From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Wed Jul 27 16:41:45 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:41:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
References: <BAY5-DAV141EC580CB0DB107C18810BBCC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000b01c59304$c01326c0$546ea618@pengy>

Its a sight glass-drain valve combination.  It could be used for any number 
of things.  Could be on a condensate tank where you would check the level of 
condensate and empty it with the cock.  Or perhaps in an oil reservoir where 
you would use the cock to fill your oil can and the sight glass used to tell 
you when the oil tank was empty.

Certainly not an oiler.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Corky Harris" <mtmidway3 at msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:06 PM
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort


>    what would ya think these would have been used on??  Got me stumped:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7532930376&category=58177&rd=1
>
> RickinMt. _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 01:44:11 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:44:11 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Reminder
In-Reply-To: <007a01c59315$e6c20b40$546ea618@pengy>
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200507272050270546.28EDF31A@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<007a01c59315$e6c20b40$546ea618@pengy>
Message-ID: <6f60251605072801446bc04cb0@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/28/05, Rick Rowlands <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com> wrote:
> Spencer,
> 
> You need to trash that Antique Tractor.com.  I can't log in.  I tried to get
> a new password.  I still cannot log in.  Its a very user unfriendly site.  I
> give up.
> 
> I didn't know that the antique tractor guys were so untrustworthy that you
> have to put a site security system up that's so tight that nobody can get
> in.
> 
> Maybe that's why out of the hundreds of ATIS list members there are only
> seven votes for the charity auction proceeds.  Nobody can get into the damn
> site!!
> 
> Rick
> 

Well, I went through the process twice, but each time the system said
that the security number I typed in was incorrect, although in each
case it was the same number. Firefox remembered it the second time as
being the same as I typed the first time, which matched what I read in
the security box. I think there is a problem with the software
somewhere.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 01:47:08 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:47:08 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Reminder
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605072801446bc04cb0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200507272050270546.28EDF31A@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<007a01c59315$e6c20b40$546ea618@pengy>
	<6f60251605072801446bc04cb0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605072801475db5d851@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/28/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, I went through the process twice, but each time the system said
> that the security number I typed in was incorrect, although in each
> case it was the same number. Firefox remembered it the second time as
> being the same as I typed the first time, which matched what I read in
> the security box. I think there is a problem with the software
> somewhere.
> 

Got it on the third attempt.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 01:54:26 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:54:26 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Reminder
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605072801475db5d851@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200507272050270546.28EDF31A@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<007a01c59315$e6c20b40$546ea618@pengy>
	<6f60251605072801446bc04cb0@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f60251605072801475db5d851@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605072801545012292b@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/28/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/28/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I went through the process twice, but each time the system said
> > that the security number I typed in was incorrect, although in each
> > case it was the same number. Firefox remembered it the second time as
> > being the same as I typed the first time, which matched what I read in
> > the security box. I think there is a problem with the software
> > somewhere.
> >
> 
> Got it on the third attempt.
> 

...but I get a login error now...

The system just says "Incorrect login. Please try again..." but no
information about what is wrong.

This is using my login name and the password that the system sent me
by email AND the security number in the box, although it doesn't say
whether you need to enter that number or not.

Got logged in at the third attempt. Again, this was after the security
number changed. Looks like there is either a cookie repeat problem or
something as the number stayed the same for the first two attempts in
both cases (original request for password and login)

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 02:02:28 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:02:28 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Reminder
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605072801545012292b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200507272050270546.28EDF31A@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<007a01c59315$e6c20b40$546ea618@pengy>
	<6f60251605072801446bc04cb0@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f60251605072801475db5d851@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f60251605072801545012292b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160507280202607f7d0@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/28/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:

> ...but I get a login error now...
> 
> The system just says "Incorrect login. Please try again..." but no
> information about what is wrong.
> 
> This is using my login name and the password that the system sent me
> by email AND the security number in the box, although it doesn't say
> whether you need to enter that number or not.
> 
> Got logged in at the third attempt. Again, this was after the security
> number changed. Looks like there is either a cookie repeat problem or
> something as the number stayed the same for the first two attempts in
> both cases (original request for password and login)
> 

OK, it definitely seems to have a problem with the information stored
in cookies. Firefox keeps giving login errors, but Opera logs me in
correctly each time, and also brings up a new security number each
time as well, while Firefox retains the original number for subsequent
logon attempts.

Perhaps Spencer could have a look at that bit of software? also might
be worth ditching the security number for existing members who already
have a password?

Peter 
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From christison at coastalnet.com  Thu Jul 28 03:36:14 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:36:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
Message-ID: <410-220057428103614218@coastalnet.com>

Hi Larry,

The catalog page I scanned was from 1953.  I have a catalog with some
Lunkenheimer items from 1915.  The price range is $1.00 to $1.65 for
fig. 529.

Take care.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Larry Evans <lfevans at pacbell.net>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 7/28/2005 12:44:27 AM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
>
> Ken......
>
> You beat me to it.  I was about to scan the page in my 1908 Lunkenheimer 
> catalog when your message came in.  The pictures are the same but the
text 
> is a little different.  Interesting to note that the price range for Fig. 
> 529 in 1908 is $0.80 to $1.40.  What year is your catalog?  Its price
range 
> for same item is $5.70 to $9.00.
>
> Regards,
> Larry





From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 28 04:05:51 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:05:51 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Setup of List Area at Portland (Second Post)
In-Reply-To: <42E7DFEC.3020500@udata.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F1155B8AE1146F2086E66A2C8CF0@phx.gbl>

Will just be our tent Leroy. No need to worry about space for us. We can 
always just squeeze the tent in behind the campers.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
=================================

>From: "Leroy C." <oldengin at udata.com>
>>>
>Yes at this time I plan to grab the camping ground for the low rent area.  
>You want, or need in?
>
>--
>		C-ya
>
>		  Leroy Clark
>
>"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
>            W.A. NANCE
>
>
>better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 28 04:39:44 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:39:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill Pictures
In-Reply-To: <000f01c592bb$7496b2a0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F5FEC4A8E1614AFC2A3636C8CF0@phx.gbl>

Hi John,

I'm not sure. I don't think it would take much. Maybe 10hp. Similar to a 
buzz rig. Maybe someone else knows.......

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
===========================

>From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
>
>Nice machine Luke, what hp power does it need to
>run professional?
>
>Regards,
>John Hammink
>Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
>jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jul 28 05:48:43 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:48:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill Pictures
In-Reply-To: <42E8120D.7060400@earthlink.net>
References: <BAY103-F248972F52D4E249BB86B2BC8CC0@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0507271042240.59800@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<42E8120D.7060400@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0507280847220.72665@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Jeff,

Thanks.  A couple of other posts have indicated that there a lot of these
around and in use.  I'm gonna have to keep my eyes open.  They look pretty
neat.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Jeff Allen wrote:

> Here's  another one with a horizontal blade. Belted up and running. Not
> as nice looking as Lukes, but fun to watch in action.
>
> http://frapa.us/Photos/CiderDays04/CD010.html
> http://frapa.us/Photos/CiderDays04/CD006.html


From jbcast at charter.net  Thu Jul 28 05:45:34 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 8:45:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill Pictures
Message-ID: <4404j6$16487sf@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net>


> 
> I'm not sure. I don't think it would take much. Maybe 10hp. Similar to a 
> buzz rig. Maybe someone else knows.......
> 
> Luke Tonneberger
 Dick Gibbens sets his Perkins shingle mill up at the Cypress Saw Mill Festival every year. He powers it with a Titan Tractor. The width of the shingle makes a big difference in the power required. If the log is too wide it hits the blade stiffener and drags it down, slipping the belt or loading the engine. On a narrow log you can just about cut through on momentum, there's a lot of spinning mass there.
J.B. Castagnos


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jul 28 06:20:58 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:20:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
References: <410-2200574283296156@coastalnet.com>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20050727212548.02503a48@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV410F31CFEB45916465485BBCF0@phx.gbl>

Kewl guys..thanks

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Evans" <lfevans at pacbell.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:27 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort


> Ken......
>
> You beat me to it.  I was about to scan the page in my 1908 Lunkenheimer
> catalog when your message came in.  The pictures are the same but the text
> is a little different.  Interesting to note that the price range for Fig.
> 529 in 1908 is $0.80 to $1.40.  What year is your catalog?  Its price 
> range
> for same item is $5.70 to $9.00.
>
> Regards,
> Larry
>
> At 08:29 PM 7/27/2005, you wrote:
> >Here is a catalog entry for these oil guages:
> >http://www.oldiron-nut.com/temp/lunk.jpg
> >
> >Take care.
> >
> >Ken
>
> Larry Evans
> MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Jul 28 08:29:52 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:29:52 +0200
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
References: <410-2200574283296156@coastalnet.com><6.0.1.1.2.20050727212548.02503a48@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>
	<BAY5-DAV410F31CFEB45916465485BBCF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000701c59389$36a0fd10$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Heya Rick, I use them on my HSCS engine, see the pic.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/oilgauges.jpg

We have our National this weekend, see you again next Monday.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



> Kewl guys..thanks
> 
> RickinMt.




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 28 11:56:57 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:56:57 +0000
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
In-Reply-To: <000701c59389$36a0fd10$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F1969ACFE706CA00BB73CD7C8CF0@phx.gbl>

This link works better for me:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/oilgauges.jpg

Very nice looking engine John.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
==============================

>From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
>Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:29:52 +0200
>
>Heya Rick, I use them on my HSCS engine, see the pic.
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/oilgauges.jpg
>
>We have our National this weekend, see you again next Monday.
>
>John Hammink
>Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
>jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
>
>
>
> > Kewl guys..thanks
> >
> > RickinMt.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jul 28 02:08:22 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:08:22 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Reminder
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl><200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net><200507272050270546.28EDF31A@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<007a01c59315$e6c20b40$546ea618@pengy>
Message-ID: <006601c59353$e8ed6d90$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 2:44 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Reminder


> Spencer,
> You need to trash that Antique Tractor.com.  I can't log in.  I tried to get 
> a new password.  I still cannot log in.  Its a very user unfriendly site.  I 
> give up.
> I didn't know that the antique tractor guys were so untrustworthy that you 
> have to put a site security system up that's so tight that nobody can get 
> in.
> Maybe that's why out of the hundreds of ATIS list members there are only 
> seven votes for the charity auction proceeds.  Nobody can get into the damn 
> site!! Rick

Hi Spencer, I also find this site impossible to use.
I tried to register & it said I was already registered & gave a password.
It won't let me use it. Also the security number is almost impossible to read.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jul 28 12:50:52 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:50:52 +0100
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
References: <410-2200574283296156@coastalnet.com><6.0.1.1.2.20050727212548.02503a48@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com><BAY5-DAV410F31CFEB45916465485BBCF0@phx.gbl>
	<000701c59389$36a0fd10$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <001f01c593ad$aa9c6a50$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort


> Heya Rick, I use them on my HSCS engine, see the pic.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/oilgauges.jpg
> We have our National this weekend, see you again next Monday.
> John Hammink

Hi John, I cannot get anything on this picture!
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Jul 28 16:48:58 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:48:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Webster inverted
Message-ID: <20050728.164858.1364.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  Are there any records for Webster inverted engines?  A friend
just found #2317 and would like to know the age.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 28 19:01:04 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:01:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Reminder
In-Reply-To: <007a01c59315$e6c20b40$546ea618@pengy>
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>	<200507272050270546.28EDF31A@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<007a01c59315$e6c20b40$546ea618@pengy>
Message-ID: <42E98DE0.5090801@earthlink.net>

Hi Rick,

Took me several tries and it works sometimes. Much better than trying to 
check my motel reservation tonight. After the phone call to 1 800 India, 
I now have another useless confirmation number. Might be sleeping in the 
truck. Can't remember what Spencer gets paid for this, but I'm sure it's 
not enough for all the grief.

Jeff Allen



Rick Rowlands wrote:

> Spencer,
>
> You need to trash that Antique Tractor.com.  I can't log in.  I tried 
> to get a new password.  I still cannot log in.  Its a very user 
> unfriendly site.  I give up.
>
> I didn't know that the antique tractor guys were so untrustworthy that 
> you have to put a site security system up that's so tight that nobody 
> can get in.
>
> Maybe that's why out of the hundreds of ATIS list members there are 
> only seven votes for the charity auction proceeds.  Nobody can get 
> into the damn site!!
>
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
> To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 8:50 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Reminder
>
>
>> Just a reminder to email me:
>>
>> yostsw at atis.net
>>
>> with charity auction nominations and to vote at:
>>
>>
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/index.php
>>
>>
>> To vote you must create a user account.   It's real easy on this site 
>> and
>> can be found down on the bottom right hand portion of the screen
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Spencer Yost
>> Owner, ATIS
>> Plow the Net!
>> http://www.atis.net
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jul 28 19:06:02 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:06:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo
References: <BAY101-F11321734AD62F5D562C978C4CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000901c593e2$12af56a0$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>

Hi List:
  Mine is a 7hp hopper cooled blue line Alamo, hit & miss, with the Wizard
type 61, model 4, magneto and ignitor.  The mixer has been altered and if
someone had a drawing of the internal parts, what a help that would be.  I
would also like to see how the fuel lines ran originally.  All help is
appreciated  and you folks are the greatest!!!!

Mike Royster

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Stauffer" <oldengineman at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo


> Mike,
> What do you need to know about a 7 hp. Alamo Blue Line?  I have an Empire
> (Cream Seperator Co.) 7 hp. that was made by Alamo.  Same as the "Blue
> Line".  It is throttle goverened and setup to start on gasoline and then
run
> on kero.  It is fired by an ignitor with a Wizard Magneto, sorta like a
> Webster.  Maybe I can help.
>
> Pete Stauffer
>
> >From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:58:57 +0000
> >
> >Sorry, I don't know who hauled it in. I'll try to find out for you......
> >
> >Luke Tonneberger
> >Rockford, Michigan
> >USA
> >===============================
> >
> >>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >>Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:37:15 -0400
> >>
> >>Luke:
> >>   Great pics as usual.  Do you know who owns that big 7hp Blue Line
> >>Alamo?
> >>I need to ask him a few questions.
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>Mike Royster
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> >>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:58 PM
> >>Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures
> >>
> >>
> >> > Here are some pictures for your viewing pleasure.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton05/charlton05.html
> >> >
> >> > Luke Tonneberger
> >> > Rockford, Michigan
> >> > USA
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > SEL mailing list
> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>SEL mailing list
> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Jul 28 19:09:54 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:09:54 EDT
Subject: [SEL]  Bacharach Testor
Message-ID: <15d.55996d47.301ae9f2@aol.com>

Hi List,
This last weekend I found a Bacharach test set up at a garage  sale.  It is 
an interesting piece of recording equipment.  However, no  instruction manual 
came with the unit.  There is chart identified as "ARCCO  Emco Integrator 
Charts".  I tried a search on Google and I wasn't too  successful.  It has a stylus 
that seems to be controlled by pressure.   It has small metal vertical 
rotating drum on which the stylus rests.  It  also has small pulleys for some type 
of belt drive.
I saw a similar item at a steam related equipment sale several  years ago.  
If I remember correctly, I think this type of test equipment is  used to check 
out the efficiency of a steam engine.  Does anyone know what  I have?  I can 
send pictures to anyone wanting them please let me know.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Thu Jul 28 19:36:24 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:36:24 EDT
Subject: [SEL]  Bacharach Testor
Message-ID: <8c.2bd320aa.301af028@aol.com>

Hi Francis,
That sounds to me like you have a steam engine "indicator" which is used to 
measure pressure over various points in the operation of the engine which would 
then allow for proper setting of the valve train, and, measure engine 
performance.  I have one much like what you describe, but of another brand.  I think 
mine was made by Crosby.
Regards,
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia USA



In a message dated 7/28/2005 10:28:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
FRM8198 at aol.com writes:
Hi List,
This last weekend I found a Bacharach test set up at a garage  sale.  It is 
an interesting piece of recording equipment.  However, no  instruction manual 
came with the unit.  There is chart identified as "ARCCO  Emco Integrator 
Charts".  I tried a search on Google and I wasn't too  successful.  It has a 
stylus 
that seems to be controlled by pressure.   It has small metal vertical 
rotating drum on which the stylus rests.  It  also has small pulleys for some 
type 
of belt drive.
I saw a similar item at a steam related equipment sale several  years ago.  
If I remember correctly, I think this type of test equipment is  used to 
check 
out the efficiency of a steam engine.  Does anyone know what  I have?  I can 
send pictures to anyone wanting them please let me know.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Jul 28 20:00:51 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:00:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] New Project -- Wisconsin Model MBKND Status
Message-ID: <198.43c175ef.301af5e3@aol.com>

Hi List,
I must be a glutton for punishment.  No sooner than I finished  with the 
Briggs & Stratton Model ZZ, I am starting to work on a Wisconsin  Model MBKND.  It 
is a single cylinder air cooled engine with shielded  ignition and spark 
plug.  The engine turns over easy and seems to have good  compression.  From the 
information I obtained on the Internet, this engine  was used by the military 
on a pump.  I received the engine with no gas  tank.  However, I was able to 
rework an existing gas tank to fit the  engine.
The magneto puts out a very hot spark.  The 7/8" diameter  output shaft is 
not keyed and only has 1" threaded section (7/8" 14 tpi).   I am using a 
Browning pulley with a taper bushing which I hope will be able to  hold the pulley to 
the shaft without a key.  The exhaust system was missing  and I intend to 
build one from some 1" pipe and a piece of 2" x 4" x  3" rectangular tubing.
Depending on what I have to do tomorrow on home chores and other  
commitments, I am hoping that I will able to try to start this engine no later  than 
Sunday.
I have a Wisconsin Model BKN manual on order and should be  here in about a 
week.  I think that only differences between the Model  MBKND and the Model BKN 
is the shield ignition system.  Can anyone confirm  this for me?  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Jul 28 20:01:51 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:01:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL]  Bacharach Testor
Message-ID: <7b.4a1bb370.301af61f@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/28/2005 7:43:32 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
MaytagTwin at aol.com writes:

That  sounds to me like you have a steam engine "indicator" which is used to  
measure pressure over various points in the operation of the engine which  
would 
then allow for proper setting of the valve train, and, measure  engine 
performance.


Thanks Ron,  

Francis



From bboyce at swat.coop  Thu Jul 28 20:35:02 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:35:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT, older jeep pickup
Message-ID: <000a01c593ee$816c38e0$6401a8c0@BillyBob>

hello all,,, recently acquired a late 40's or early 50's jeep pickup,,, can anyone confirm the
engine oil capacity, it had a small 4 cyl ,,the stop on the dip stick is missing,,, also, it has a PTO shaft that runs to the rear of the frame, just like a tractor PTO, could this be a factory addition? what would it have been used for ? 
thanks,,
bill boyce 
lost prairie, arkansas

From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Thu Jul 28 20:46:01 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:46:01 EDT
Subject: [SEL] OT, older jeep pickup
Message-ID: <156.55d8a16f.301b0079@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/28/2005 11:43:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
bboyce at swat.coop writes:
hello all,,, recently acquired a late 40's or early 50's jeep pickup,,, can 
anyone confirm the
engine oil capacity, it had a small 4 cyl ,,the stop on the dip stick is 
missing,,, also, it has a PTO shaft that runs to the rear of the frame, just like 
a tractor PTO, could this be a factory addition? what would it have been used 
for ? 
thanks,,
bill boyce 
lost prairie, arkansas
Hi Bill,
Can't help with the oil capacity, but I have seen a 1950 jeep equipped with a 
5 foot bush hog mower on the back.  It has a PTO running it.
Good luck with your Jeep.
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia USA


From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jul 28 20:46:47 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 04:46:47 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SEL]  Bacharach Testor
In-Reply-To: <15d.55996d47.301ae9f2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050729034647.29238.qmail@web25503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>


--- FRM8198 at aol.com wrote:

> Hi List,
> This last weekend I found a Bacharach test set up at a garage  sale.  It is 
> an interesting piece of recording equipment.  

Sounds like an Engine Indicator recorder, used for working out the Brake Mean Effective Pressure
and thus calculating the horsepower of an engine.

In steam days, they were connected directly to the cylinder through a special cock and the
recorder recorded the pressure diagram on the chart during the working cycle of the engine.  It
could also be used to check on the operating efficiency of the valve gear and assist in making
timing adjustments to get the maximum efficiency out of the engine.

I would imagine the same happens on larger IC engines.

Regards

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea


		
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jul 28 20:47:45 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:47:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT, older jeep pickup
References: <000a01c593ee$816c38e0$6401a8c0@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <003701c593f0$482efc00$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>

Bill:
  Flathead (L-head ) or overhead valve(F-head) are all 4 quarts, 5 with a
filter.

Mike Royster
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Boyce" <bboyce at swat.coop>
To: "stationary engine list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:35 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT, older jeep pickup


hello all,,, recently acquired a late 40's or early 50's jeep pickup,,, can
anyone confirm the
engine oil capacity, it had a small 4 cyl ,,the stop on the dip stick is
missing,,, also, it has a PTO shaft that runs to the rear of the frame, just
like a tractor PTO, could this be a factory addition? what would it have
been used for ?
thanks,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jul 28 20:48:54 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:48:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT, older jeep pickup
References: <000a01c593ee$816c38e0$6401a8c0@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <003b01c593f0$70f27860$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>

PS:  The PTO is an option, can run a pump sprayer, sawmill, etc.

Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Boyce" <bboyce at swat.coop>
To: "stationary engine list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:35 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT, older jeep pickup


hello all,,, recently acquired a late 40's or early 50's jeep pickup,,, can
anyone confirm the
engine oil capacity, it had a small 4 cyl ,,the stop on the dip stick is
missing,,, also, it has a PTO shaft that runs to the rear of the frame, just
like a tractor PTO, could this be a factory addition? what would it have
been used for ?
thanks,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jul 28 21:07:27 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:07:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo
In-Reply-To: <000901c593e2$12af56a0$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200507290407.j6T47Wif032219@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

http://antique-engines.com/images/alamo-bl--1.jpg

I'll try to get more later...........


Bill 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 9:06 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo

Hi List:
  Mine is a 7hp hopper cooled blue line Alamo, hit & miss, with the Wizard
type 61, model 4, magneto and ignitor.  The mixer has been altered and if
someone had a drawing of the internal parts, what a help that would be.  I
would also like to see how the fuel lines ran originally.  All help is
appreciated  and you folks are the greatest!!!!

Mike Royster





From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jul 28 21:31:22 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:31:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo
References: <200507290407.j6T47Wif032219@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <001701c593f6$5fe66620$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>

That is the ticket!!!!!!

Thanks,
Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 12:07 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo


> http://antique-engines.com/images/alamo-bl--1.jpg
>
> I'll try to get more later...........
>
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 9:06 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures, now 7 hp Alamo
>
> Hi List:
>   Mine is a 7hp hopper cooled blue line Alamo, hit & miss, with the Wizard
> type 61, model 4, magneto and ignitor.  The mixer has been altered and if
> someone had a drawing of the internal parts, what a help that would be.  I
> would also like to see how the fuel lines ran originally.  All help is
> appreciated  and you folks are the greatest!!!!
>
> Mike Royster
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 22:24:36 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:24:36 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Bacharach Testor
In-Reply-To: <15d.55996d47.301ae9f2@aol.com>
References: <15d.55996d47.301ae9f2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160507282224f4af6f0@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/29/05, FRM8198 at aol.com <FRM8198 at aol.com> wrote:
> Hi List,
> This last weekend I found a Bacharach test set up at a garage  sale.  It is
> an interesting piece of recording equipment.  However, no  instruction manual
> came with the unit.  There is chart identified as "ARCCO  Emco Integrator
> Charts".  I tried a search on Google and I wasn't too  successful.  It has a stylus
> that seems to be controlled by pressure.   It has small metal vertical
> rotating drum on which the stylus rests.  It  also has small pulleys for some type
> of belt drive.
> I saw a similar item at a steam related equipment sale several  years ago.
> If I remember correctly, I think this type of test equipment is  used to check
> out the efficiency of a steam engine.  Does anyone know what  I have?  I can
> send pictures to anyone wanting them please let me know.
> 
> Francis Maciel
> Santa Maria,  CA
> 

Pictures of a couple of their instruments on our website at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Indicator/Indicator2.htm

The BKN Wisconsin manual doesn't mention the other models in the same
range, and their is no mention of the shielded ignition in that book.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Jul 29 00:53:33 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:53:33 +0800
Subject: [SEL]  Bacharach Testor
References: <15d.55996d47.301ae9f2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c59412$a252e170$669e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Francis ....have a look at http://homepages.strath.ac.uk/~clcs20/steam.htm 
Mechanical Indicator.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 10:09 AM
Subject: [SEL] Bacharach Testor


> Hi List,
> This last weekend I found a Bacharach test set up at a garage  sale.  It 
> is
> an interesting piece of recording equipment.  However, no  instruction 
> manual
> came with the unit.  There is chart identified as "ARCCO  Emco Integrator
> Charts".  I tried a search on Google and I wasn't too  successful.  It has 
> a stylus
> that seems to be controlled by pressure.   It has small metal vertical
> rotating drum on which the stylus rests.  It  also has small pulleys for 
> some type
> of belt drive.
> I saw a similar item at a steam related equipment sale several  years ago.
> If I remember correctly, I think this type of test equipment is  used to 
> check
> out the efficiency of a steam engine.  Does anyone know what  I have?  I 
> can
> send pictures to anyone wanting them please let me know.
>
> Francis Maciel
> Santa Maria,  CA
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Fri Jul 29 01:33:15 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:33:15 +1000
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
In-Reply-To: <410-2200574283296156@coastalnet.com>
References: <410-2200574283296156@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <42E9E9CB.5010307@steamengine.com.au>

Most of the Lunk catalog is online on my site been there a couple of 
years now...
http://www.steamengine.com.au/misc/lubrication/index.html

Paul

Ken Christison wrote:
> Here is a catalog entry for these oil guages:
> http://www.oldiron-nut.com/temp/lunk.jpg
> 
> Take care.
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> 
>>[Original Message]
>>From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>>To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Cc: Corky Harris <mtmidway3 at msn.com>
>>Date: 7/27/2005 7:06:51 PM
>>Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
>>
>>    what would ya think these would have been used on??  Got me stumped:
>>
>>
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7532930376&category=58177
> &rd=1
> 
>>RickinMt. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 

-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


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From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jul 29 01:50:17 2005
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:20:17 +0930
Subject: [SEL] show , South African style
Message-ID: <000301c5941a$8ce42670$19c08890@chaos>

http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/vsimages/Engines.jpg
http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/vsimages/Engines1.jpg
http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/vsimages/Engines2.jpg



From page at velocitynet.com.au  Fri Jul 29 02:19:57 2005
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:19:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] show , South African style
References: <000301c5941a$8ce42670$19c08890@chaos>
Message-ID: <009301c5941e$b52b4a10$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Thanks for showing Derek.  

Ron
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "derek" <djohn2 at bigpond.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 6:50 PM
Subject: [SEL] show , South African style


> http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/vsimages/Engines.jpg
> http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/vsimages/Engines1.jpg
> http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/vsimages/Engines2.jpg
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Fri Jul 29 04:13:29 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:13:29 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Away for a while
References: <000301c5941a$8ce42670$19c08890@chaos>
	<009301c5941e$b52b4a10$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <000a01c5942e$8c662cc0$55761fd3@morris>

We are going on a short trip (5 weeks) to Queensland, need to check out this 
grey nomad life style, check back in again when we return,.
Dave try to behave, Reg hold the jokes.8-))

All the best to you all

Kerry
Lithgow NSW Oz 



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From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Jul 28 20:09:36 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:09:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Reminder
In-Reply-To: <42E98DE0.5090801@earthlink.net>
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200507272050270546.28EDF31A@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<007a01c59315$e6c20b40$546ea618@pengy>
	<42E98DE0.5090801@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050728230433.03fd7348@mail.alltel.net>

At 10:01 PM 7/28/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Rick,
>  Can't remember what Spencer gets paid for this, but I'm sure it's not 
> enough for all the grief.
>Jeff Allen

Hi Jeff,
         Spencer get's paid NOTHING for providing the List(s) for us. Which 
is why we all owe him a BIG vote of thanks, and why Rick's BITCHING should 
have been off list and directly to Spencer!
         Dave 



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Jul 29 06:14:14 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:14:14 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Bacharach Testor
Message-ID: <da.29d2527e.301b85a6@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/28/2005 10:43:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
listerdiesel at gmail.com writes:

Pictures  of a couple of their instruments on our website  at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Indicator/Indicator2.htm


Thanks Peter.  
The Bacharch shown on your site is very similar to the one I  have.
 
 
 
Francis


From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Fri Jul 29 06:38:00 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:38:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
In-Reply-To: <038801c59315$ddd642d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <20050729133800.75770.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>

Reg

There was a sheldon tag, but I didn't take a picture of it...should
have... I have to find a file I got, but it has a list of the 55+
companies that sold waterloo built engines.  I will get that sent off to
you.  It probably is on my old computer...

Steve

--- R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:

>  Re Crown Point. The Sheldon is a dead ringer of the Waterloo Big Chief.
> Any 
> pics of the engine plate?
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Barr" <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:18 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
> 
> 
> >
> > Been running crazy....Show pictures from the past several shows are
> now on
> > the web page...There seem to be more tractor pictures, but Some of
> them
> > are really good tractors and not the common run of the mill....red vs
> > green vs blue vs orange...
> >
> > If you have any feedback, pages loads too slow, let me know offlist. 
> I
> > can split into more pages if needed.  Should be ok on high speed.
> >
> >
> > Will County, IL 2005 - Engines and tractors were down due to the heat
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005WillCounty1.htm
> >
> > Downtown Downers Grove, IL - Friday Night Cruz In July 22 - fun time
> > several blocks from my house.
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005DGCruz.htm
> >
> > Rosholt Area Threshermen - Rosholt, WI - 2005 (2 pages)
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Rosholt1.htm
> >
> > Crown Point, IN - 2005 (2 pages)
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005CrownPoint1.htm
> >
> > Bourbonnais, IL 2005
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Bourbonnais.htm
> >
> >
> > This week (starting today, we have a display at our local County
> Fair).
> > This is in the middle of suburbia ~35 miles west of Chicago.
> >
> > Steve
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> 
> 
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jul 29 06:44:35 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:44:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT, older jeep pickup
In-Reply-To: <003b01c593f0$70f27860$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>
References: <000a01c593ee$816c38e0$6401a8c0@BillyBob>
	<003b01c593f0$70f27860$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <2482.165.206.180.102.1122644675.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

So the rest can see the answer from a former Jeep shop person:

>  -----Original Message-----
> From:         Tom Larson [mailto:A1970AMX at mn.rr.com]
> Sent:        Friday, July 29, 2005 12:15 AM
> To:        bboyce at swat.coop
> Subject:        Willys Pickup questions
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Bill Dickerson from Iowa posted on the AMC Forum that you had some
> questions about Your newly acquired Willys Pickup. My dad and I used to
> run a shop called Willys Minneapolis, out of Farmington MN. We repaired
> and restored the old Willys Jeeps. The oil capacity is 4 quarts if no
> filter canister, and 5 quarts if it has the filter canister. The filter
> was optional, and you REALLY don't want it! It is a bypass type filter,
> not a full-flow like on newer engines. It actually bleeds oil pressure off
> the front main bearing and can cause bearing failure. If it has the
> filter, I suggest disconnecting the line that goes in towards the top of
> the filter and put a small plug in the line, then run 4 quarts. The PTO
> was usually a dealer-installed item on the pickups, and generally used as
> a stationary power source for  driving a grain elevator or possibly a
> small bailer or manure spreader. There were many different types of
> implements available in the late 40's and thru the 50's for the Jeeps, but
> due to it's size, the pickups would be more likely to use the ones I
> mentioned.
>
> There are several vendors around the country that specialize in Willys
> parts, here are a couple that I'd recommend:
>
> http://www.northstarwillys.com/ (Our old shop, formerly Willys
> Minneapolis)
>
> http://willysamerica.com/
>
>
> Feel free to contact me if you have any other questions......
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Tom Larson
> Bloomington MN



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jul 29 06:53:13 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:53:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] show , South African style
In-Reply-To: <000301c5941a$8ce42670$19c08890@chaos>
References: <000301c5941a$8ce42670$19c08890@chaos>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050729095010.02230020@mail.alltel.net>

At 04:50 AM 7/29/2005, you wrote:
>http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/vsimages/Engines.jpg
>http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/vsimages/Engines1.jpg
>http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/vsimages/Engines2.jpg

Great pictures derek. The "fences" should make Reg cry!
         Dave
PS, I was under the impression that the South African government had taken 
all the engines away from the Afrikaners and given them to the blacks. Are 
these an old set of pictures?  



From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Fri Jul 29 06:54:48 2005
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:54:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
Message-ID: <002401c59445$18d20b00$2d680b42@computer>

Steve,
  I can get a picture of Sheldon Miller's (the owner of the Sheldon engine)
engine if you need a picture of the tag.  Sheldon will be at our show in
Valparaiso the last of Sep. but I can go to his house and get a picture
before that time if you want.     George
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Reports


>Reg
>
>There was a sheldon tag, but I didn't take a picture of it...should
>have... I have to find a file I got, but it has a list of the 55+
>companies that sold waterloo built engines.  I will get that sent off to
>you.  It probably is on my old computer...
>
>Steve
>
>--- R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
>
>>  Re Crown Point. The Sheldon is a dead ringer of the Waterloo Big Chief.
>> Any
>> pics of the engine plate?
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Barr" <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:18 PM
>> Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Been running crazy....Show pictures from the past several shows are
>> now on
>> > the web page...There seem to be more tractor pictures, but Some of
>> them
>> > are really good tractors and not the common run of the mill....red vs
>> > green vs blue vs orange...
>> >
>> > If you have any feedback, pages loads too slow, let me know offlist.
>> I
>> > can split into more pages if needed.  Should be ok on high speed.
>> >
>> >
>> > Will County, IL 2005 - Engines and tractors were down due to the heat
>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005WillCounty1.htm
>> >
>> > Downtown Downers Grove, IL - Friday Night Cruz In July 22 - fun time
>> > several blocks from my house.
>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005DGCruz.htm
>> >
>> > Rosholt Area Threshermen - Rosholt, WI - 2005 (2 pages)
>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Rosholt1.htm
>> >
>> > Crown Point, IN - 2005 (2 pages)
>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005CrownPoint1.htm
>> >
>> > Bourbonnais, IL 2005
>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Bourbonnais.htm
>> >
>> >
>> > This week (starting today, we have a display at our local County
>> Fair).
>> > This is in the middle of suburbia ~35 miles west of Chicago.
>> >
>> > Steve
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >
>>
>>
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 29 07:08:26 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:08:26 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Allendale, Michigan Show Pictures
Message-ID: <BAY103-F34A8DE1FA92964ACB3286FC8CE0@phx.gbl>

Hello Everyone,

I have put up a page showing some items that were of interest to me at this 
show. Hope you enjoy them too.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale05/allendale05.html

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 29 07:35:18 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:35:18 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Bacharach Testor
In-Reply-To: <da.29d2527e.301b85a6@aol.com>
References: <da.29d2527e.301b85a6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160507290735444416fe@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/29/05, FRM8198 at aol.com <FRM8198 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 7/28/2005 10:43:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> listerdiesel at gmail.com writes:
> 
> Pictures  of a couple of their instruments on our website  at:
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Indicator/Indicator2.htm
> 
> 
> Thanks Peter.
> The Bacharch shown on your site is very similar to the one I  have.
> 
> 
> 
> Francis
> 

I think that picture came out of a book on indictors, I'll have a look
tonight when I get home.

We have about 10 of these (different manufacturers) in our collection,
plus one that came with the Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR horizontal diesel.
Pictures of that one in place on the engine are also on the website.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 29 07:37:19 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:37:19 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT, older jeep pickup
In-Reply-To: <2482.165.206.180.102.1122644675.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
References: <000a01c593ee$816c38e0$6401a8c0@BillyBob>
	<003b01c593f0$70f27860$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>
	<2482.165.206.180.102.1122644675.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605072907374524a362@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/29/05, bill at antique-engines.com <bill at antique-engines.com> wrote:
> So the rest can see the answer from a former Jeep shop person:
> 

Interesting to see that comment about the bleed oil filter, these were
popular around the 1930's and 1940's before being replaced by full
flow types after that.

Nice to get a bit of insight on the bearing problem....

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Fri Jul 29 07:37:56 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:37:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Reminder
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200507272050270546.28EDF31A@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<007a01c59315$e6c20b40$546ea618@pengy>
	<42E98DE0.5090801@earthlink.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050728230433.03fd7348@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <001201c5944b$1c234a20$546ea618@pengy>

As if you've never bitched at anyone on this list before Dave!! Your 
bitching posts are legendary.

I do want to apologize for my post the other night.  I shouldn't have made 
it at all, I had a massive headache at the time and should have just went to 
bed but I read his post and decided to log in.  After about 10 minutes 
beating my head against the monitor screen I got pissed and fired off that 
post. I am sorry about that.

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Reminder


> At 10:01 PM 7/28/2005, you wrote:
>>Hi Rick,
>>  Can't remember what Spencer gets paid for this, but I'm sure it's not 
>> enough for all the grief.
>>Jeff Allen
>
> Hi Jeff,
>         Spencer get's paid NOTHING for providing the List(s) for us. Which 
> is why we all owe him a BIG vote of thanks, and why Rick's BITCHING should 
> have been off list and directly to Spencer!
>         Dave
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jul 29 08:05:15 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:05:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT, older jeep pickup
In-Reply-To: <6f60251605072907374524a362@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000a01c593ee$816c38e0$6401a8c0@BillyBob>
	<003b01c593f0$70f27860$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>
	<2482.165.206.180.102.1122644675.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
	<6f60251605072907374524a362@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2928.165.206.180.102.1122649515.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

Tom said that if we had a VIN, he could get the year of mfgr on that vehicle.

Bill

> On 7/29/05, bill at antique-engines.com <bill at antique-engines.com> wrote:
>> So the rest can see the answer from a former Jeep shop person:
>>
>
> Interesting to see that comment about the bleed oil filter, these were
> popular around the 1930's and 1940's before being replaced by full
> flow types after that.
>
> Nice to get a bit of insight on the bearing problem....
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jul 29 08:37:16 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:37:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Galloway cream separator
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV12A8E8D04DA67C4E8B50C2BBCE0@phx.gbl>

Howdy all from nice weather Mt...with a little earthquake thrown in to keep 
it exciting.

  Well I picked up a #10 Galloway cream separator the the other day, but 
it's missing the hand crank and shaft and "Driver" gear plus a guard.

  Does anyone collect cream separators on the list or know of someone that 
does?

  Long shot but thought I'd try.

TIA
RickinMt. 


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 29 09:15:03 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:15:03 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT, older jeep pickup
In-Reply-To: <2928.165.206.180.102.1122649515.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
References: <000a01c593ee$816c38e0$6401a8c0@BillyBob>
	<003b01c593f0$70f27860$2f6d8645@carolina.rr.com>
	<2482.165.206.180.102.1122644675.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
	<6f60251605072907374524a362@mail.gmail.com>
	<2928.165.206.180.102.1122649515.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <6f60251605072909154996e415@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/29/05, bill at antique-engines.com <bill at antique-engines.com> wrote:
> Tom said that if we had a VIN, he could get the year of mfgr on that vehicle.
> 
> Bill
> 

Bit old for a VIN isn't it?? :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jul 29 09:25:10 2005
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:55:10 +0930
Subject: [SEL] show , South African style
References: <000301c5941a$8ce42670$19c08890@chaos>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050729095010.02230020@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <000601c5945a$17e22030$19c08890@chaos>

Not my pictures. Was searching African links using http://www.google.co.za/, 
gives better local results.
thumbnails of their show, mainly tractors 
http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/photo%20gallery.htm

A picture from a museum
http://iwr.ru.ac.za/~iwdf/lathe/agmuseum/agbandsawMVC-231F.JPG
and the description on the page says :-  This bandsaw is standing just 
outside the side roof and may well work. Note how it is chained to the roof 
support! This museum is just a stones throw from a semi formal settlement 
and anything not tied down goes walkabout .


To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] show , South African style


> At 04:50 AM 7/29/2005, you wrote:
>>http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/vsimages/Engines.jpg
>>http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/vsimages/Engines1.jpg
>>http://www.vintageandsteam.co.za/vsimages/Engines2.jpg
>
> Great pictures derek. The "fences" should make Reg cry!
>         Dave
> PS, I was under the impression that the South African government had taken 
> all the engines away from the Afrikaners and given them to the blacks. Are 
> these an old set of pictures?
> 




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 29 11:34:57 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:34:57 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Changes at Portland
Message-ID: <BAY103-F29ED592C9427F9B5F182F8C8CE0@phx.gbl>

I took some time to make some new pictures/maps of the Portland Showgrounds. 
You will be able to see the changes to the display areas (in case you don't 
get the newsletter).

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/portland/portlandgrounds.html

I guess if nobody can get to the showgrounds to rope off an area for SEL 
members then we won't have to worry if we stay in the same spot or move. Not 
much input from the peanut gallery. What's up with that??

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 29 11:43:18 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:43:18 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Reminder
In-Reply-To: <001201c5944b$1c234a20$546ea618@pengy>
References: <BAY103-F10A5219336ECFC466E5237A3C80@phx.gbl>
	<200507232245420656.14BDDA15@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200507272050270546.28EDF31A@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<007a01c59315$e6c20b40$546ea618@pengy>
	<42E98DE0.5090801@earthlink.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050728230433.03fd7348@mail.alltel.net>
	<001201c5944b$1c234a20$546ea618@pengy>
Message-ID: <6f602516050729114339e0b303@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/29/05, Rick Rowlands <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com> wrote:

> I do want to apologize for my post the other night.  I shouldn't have made
> it at all, I had a massive headache at the time and should have just went to
> bed but I read his post and decided to log in.  After about 10 minutes
> beating my head against the monitor screen I got pissed and fired off that
> post. I am sorry about that.
> 
> Rick
> 

We've all been there...

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jul 29 14:42:13 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:42:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
References: <002401c59445$18d20b00$2d680b42@computer>
Message-ID: <075401c59486$66253490$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

George, I would like a decent pic of the engine and a close up of the plate 
if possible. It is a new one on me and seems a 'badge engineering' job.
As I said, it is a dead ringer of my Waterloo Big Chief.  No rush on it.
Thanks.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George & Norma Armstrong" <gnarmstrong at netnitco.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Reports


> Steve,
>  I can get a picture of Sheldon Miller's (the owner of the Sheldon engine)
> engine if you need a picture of the tag.  Sheldon will be at our show in
> Valparaiso the last of Sep. but I can go to his house and get a picture
> before that time if you want.     George
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Reports
>
>
>>Reg
>>
>>There was a sheldon tag, but I didn't take a picture of it...should
>>have... I have to find a file I got, but it has a list of the 55+
>>companies that sold waterloo built engines.  I will get that sent off to
>>you.  It probably is on my old computer...
>>
>>Steve
>>
>>--- R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>>  Re Crown Point. The Sheldon is a dead ringer of the Waterloo Big Chief.
>>> Any
>>> pics of the engine plate?
>>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Steve Barr" <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
>>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:18 PM
>>> Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Been running crazy....Show pictures from the past several shows are
>>> now on
>>> > the web page...There seem to be more tractor pictures, but Some of
>>> them
>>> > are really good tractors and not the common run of the mill....red vs
>>> > green vs blue vs orange...
>>> >
>>> > If you have any feedback, pages loads too slow, let me know offlist.
>>> I
>>> > can split into more pages if needed.  Should be ok on high speed.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Will County, IL 2005 - Engines and tractors were down due to the heat
>>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005WillCounty1.htm
>>> >
>>> > Downtown Downers Grove, IL - Friday Night Cruz In July 22 - fun time
>>> > several blocks from my house.
>>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005DGCruz.htm
>>> >
>>> > Rosholt Area Threshermen - Rosholt, WI - 2005 (2 pages)
>>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Rosholt1.htm
>>> >
>>> > Crown Point, IN - 2005 (2 pages)
>>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005CrownPoint1.htm
>>> >
>>> > Bourbonnais, IL 2005
>>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Bourbonnais.htm
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > This week (starting today, we have a display at our local County
>>> Fair).
>>> > This is in the middle of suburbia ~35 miles west of Chicago.
>>> >
>>> > Steve
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > SEL mailing list
>>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>
>
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From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Fri Jul 29 15:51:55 2005
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:51:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] ID my conrod...
Message-ID: <002c01c59490$1eea4c00$151c7546@satx.rr.com>

I received a conrod that was supposed to be for a stover model w 3 hp..but i dont think this one is right...there is a number Y80 on the side. Does anyone have a clue what its for?  Tom

From transteck at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 29 16:51:23 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:51:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Allendale, Michigan Show Pictures
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F34A8DE1FA92964ACB3286FC8CE0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F34A8DE1FA92964ACB3286FC8CE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42EAC0FB.4050804@earthlink.net>

Thanks for the great pictures Luke. I love a good draft horse pull and 
it looks like you had a good one. I also like branding the shingles. 
I'll have to bring it up at my clubs meeting. Great souvenir and 
reminder for the guests of their visit. Short one and I are pumped up 
tonight. Big steam tractors and more in our day tomorrow. Off to:
http://www.networksplus.net/threshershow/

Back in a couple days.

Jeff Allen

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> I have put up a page showing some items that were of interest to me at 
> this show. Hope you enjoy them too.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale05/allendale05.html
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 29 17:32:11 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:32:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for Elden DuRand
Message-ID: <005d01c5949e$20d068c0$00000003@x8h7l9>

I need some help and can't find Elden. Elden, do you have your ears on? edstoller at earthlink dot net 

From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Fri Jul 29 18:18:48 2005
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:18:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
Message-ID: <000401c594a4$a6571740$13680b42@computer>

Reg,
   I will get it to you.      George
-----Original Message-----
From: R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, July 29, 2005 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Reports


>George, I would like a decent pic of the engine and a close up of the plate
>if possible. It is a new one on me and seems a 'badge engineering' job.
>As I said, it is a dead ringer of my Waterloo Big Chief.  No rush on it.
>Thanks.
>Reg & Marg Ingold.
>Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "George & Norma Armstrong" <gnarmstrong at netnitco.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:54 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Reports
>
>
>> Steve,
>>  I can get a picture of Sheldon Miller's (the owner of the Sheldon
engine)
>> engine if you need a picture of the tag.  Sheldon will be at our show in
>> Valparaiso the last of Sep. but I can go to his house and get a picture
>> before that time if you want.     George
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Steve Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
>> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Date: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Reports
>>
>>
>>>Reg
>>>
>>>There was a sheldon tag, but I didn't take a picture of it...should
>>>have... I have to find a file I got, but it has a list of the 55+
>>>companies that sold waterloo built engines.  I will get that sent off to
>>>you.  It probably is on my old computer...
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>
>>>--- R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Re Crown Point. The Sheldon is a dead ringer of the Waterloo Big
Chief.
>>>> Any
>>>> pics of the engine plate?
>>>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>>>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Steve Barr" <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
>>>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:18 PM
>>>> Subject: [SEL] Show Reports
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Been running crazy....Show pictures from the past several shows are
>>>> now on
>>>> > the web page...There seem to be more tractor pictures, but Some of
>>>> them
>>>> > are really good tractors and not the common run of the mill....red vs
>>>> > green vs blue vs orange...
>>>> >
>>>> > If you have any feedback, pages loads too slow, let me know offlist.
>>>> I
>>>> > can split into more pages if needed.  Should be ok on high speed.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Will County, IL 2005 - Engines and tractors were down due to the heat
>>>> >
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005WillCounty1.htm
>>>> >
>>>> > Downtown Downers Grove, IL - Friday Night Cruz In July 22 - fun time
>>>> > several blocks from my house.
>>>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005DGCruz.htm
>>>> >
>>>> > Rosholt Area Threshermen - Rosholt, WI - 2005 (2 pages)
>>>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Rosholt1.htm
>>>> >
>>>> > Crown Point, IN - 2005 (2 pages)
>>>> >
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005CrownPoint1.htm
>>>> >
>>>> > Bourbonnais, IL 2005
>>>> >
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Bourbonnais.htm
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > This week (starting today, we have a display at our local County
>>>> Fair).
>>>> > This is in the middle of suburbia ~35 miles west of Chicago.
>>>> >
>>>> > Steve
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>>>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
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From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Fri Jul 29 18:34:54 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:34:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] International Stationary Steam Engine Society
Message-ID: <00f401c594a6$e34614b0$546ea618@pengy>

It is my pleasure to announce that I have assumed duties as US editor of the ISSES Bulletin, the quarterly publication of the International Stationary Steam Engine Society. I take the reigns from Robert Lindquist who has held the position for the past several years.

I first learned of Bob's willingness to pass on the editorship during a visit with him last month and after discussion with the ISSES leadership the change was approved.  

I am 31 years of age and my familiarity with stationary steam power comes solely from my involvement with the Tod Engine. My interest in industrial heritage came from a lifelong interest in railroading that evolved into an interest in Youngstown's steel industry.  Upon finding the Tod Engine and saving it I naturally developed an interest in stationary steam.  

It has been my opinion that interest in ISSES has waned, at least here in the United States, and I would like to do what I can to change that.   Some of you reading this may have never heard of ISSES before, which will change as I become involved with the rebirth of the organizatrion in the U.S. 

As editor I need material to publish.  If there is anything stationary steam related going on in the North American continent please drop me an email and let me know.  Preserved steam, available engines, or even some historical info. is all sought.  I would then forward the articles and news stories to the UK editor who will include the items in the Bulletin.  If nobody sends me any material the membership of ISSES will be doomed to read about large stationary steam power as this is what the bulk of my collection relates to! :-)

Oh by the way go to www.steamenginesociety.org and sned in your membership dues!

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org

William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark




From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 29 19:08:16 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:08:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Marine Engine
Message-ID: <410-2200576302816125@earthlink.net>


Anyone have any knowledge on US Falcon Marine Engines?  They are 4 stroke
with open valve train.  I have a 2 cyl (10 hp) that I have a couple of
questions to ask.  You can email off list if you like.  Thank you.

Tim Christoff.



From jbcast at charter.net  Fri Jul 29 19:28:59 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:28:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Marine Engine
Message-ID: <48vje6$17jt7v6@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net>



> 
> Anyone have any knowledge on US Falcon Marine Engines?  They are 4 stroke
> with open valve train.  I have a 2 cyl (10 hp) that I have a couple of
> questions to ask.  You can email off list if you like.  Thank you.
> 
> Tim Christoff.
> 
Tim, I have a 10hp also, have some ads and other litterature. Does your's have the trans? An old friend gave me this engine, he was the original owner.
J.B. Castagnos 


From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Jul 29 20:11:18 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 04:11:18 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SEL] International Stationary Steam Engine Society
In-Reply-To: <00f401c594a6$e34614b0$546ea618@pengy>
Message-ID: <20050730031119.46484.qmail@web25509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi Rick

Well done.  It takes a lot of commitment to become an editor of a spacialist group news letter.  I
hope you get lots of support in your efforts.

Unfortunately, there is not much steam power out here!

Regards

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea



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> It is my pleasure to announce that I have assumed duties as US editor of the ISSES Bulletin, the
> quarterly publication of the International Stationary Steam Engine Society. 


		
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From guitronics at comcast.net  Sat Jul 30 02:51:01 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 05:51:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Marine Engine
In-Reply-To: <48vje6$17jt7v6@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net>
References: <48vje6$17jt7v6@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <42EB4D85.3010901@comcast.net>

I heard, a few years ago, that a guy was always calling his engines 
"Falcon".

He'd skin his knuckles, throw the wrench (spanner to you UK folks) and 
yell out "Falcon Engine". I understand he did this sort of thing quite 
often.

 "Falcon Engine, Falcon Engine;Falcon engine".

``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````

jbcast at charter.net wrote:

>  
>
>>Anyone have any knowledge on US Falcon Marine Engines?  They are 4 stroke
>>with open valve train.  I have a 2 cyl (10 hp) that I have a couple of
>>questions to ask.  You can email off list if you like.  Thank you.
>>
>>Tim Christoff.
>>
>>    
>>
>Tim, I have a 10hp also, have some ads and other litterature. Does your's have the trans? An old friend gave me this engine, he was the original owner.
>J.B. Castagnos 
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>
>  
>


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Jul 30 03:03:02 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:03:02 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Making a spring
Message-ID: <073020051003.24752.42EB5055000F38FD000060B021979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi All,
Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own springs.
I need to make up a spring for my trip lever on my 2hp R&V model SR.  Not a 
common spring found in hardware store supplies.  Also checked with one of the 
popular Mag & Igintor rebuilders.
thankyou in advance,
Curt Andree


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Jul 28 16:03:43 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 01:03:43 +0200
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
References: <410-2200574283296156@coastalnet.com><6.0.1.1.2.20050727212548.02503a48@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com><BAY5-DAV410F31CFEB45916465485BBCF0@phx.gbl><000701c59389$36a0fd10$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
	<001f01c593ad$aa9c6a50$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <001501c593c8$9da9a450$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Dave this one is the right one, sorry.
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink//oilgauges.jpg

John H.



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jul 30 03:39:12 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 11:39:12 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Marine Engine
In-Reply-To: <42EB4D85.3010901@comcast.net>
References: <48vje6$17jt7v6@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net>
	<42EB4D85.3010901@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6f60251605073003394f845b9c@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/30/05, Michael P. Koryciak <guitronics at comcast.net> wrote:

> He'd skin his knuckles, throw the wrench (spanner to you UK folks) and
> yell out "Falcon Engine". I understand he did this sort of thing quite
> often.

We have a little saying that goes:

"A wench is something that turns the head of a dolt" :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From b2 at chooka.net  Sat Jul 30 05:19:15 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:19:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Making a spring
In-Reply-To: <073020051003.24752.42EB5055000F38FD000060B021979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <200507300719278.SM02420@wrbpc>

Here ya go, Curt.

 http://home.earthlink.net/~bazillion/springs.html

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
cgandree at mchsi.com
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:03 AM
To: SEL Lists
Subject: [SEL] Making a spring

Hi All,
Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own
springs.
I need to make up a spring for my trip lever on my 2hp R&V model SR.  Not a
common spring found in hardware store supplies.  Also checked with one of
the popular Mag & Igintor rebuilders.
thankyou in advance,
Curt Andree
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jul 30 07:14:13 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:14:13 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for Elden DuRand
References: <005d01c5949e$20d068c0$00000003@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV7A1384521B12130EBF446BBC10@phx.gbl>

edurand at cybertron.com

Take Care Ed

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: "stationary-engine at atis.net" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 6:32 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for Elden DuRand


I need some help and can't find Elden. Elden, do you have your ears on? 
edstoller at earthlink dot net
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jul 30 07:54:45 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:54:45 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Portland butt buggy insurance
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV412552E93C2ECE054142CBBC10@phx.gbl>

Thought this might be of some interest to those attending Portland:

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22526

RickinMt.


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jul 30 09:27:48 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:27:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Stirling Pics Needed
Message-ID: <d40b289508ef2b9a461a0340314e535f@chartertn.net>

Mike Chouinard, a physics teacher in California, is looking for pics of 
old Stirling engines of the sort that were really used for driving 
equipment to use in his physics class. If you can help him, his E-mail 
is:

cheyenne at caltel.com

Thanks!

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jul 30 10:58:26 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:58:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Making a spring
Message-ID: <20050730.105826.920.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Curt.
There are a couple of ways that I know of.  First is get the spring wire
from a hobby shop, I think they come in lots of diameters and two or
three feet long.  bend it to the shape you want.  The problem is it
springs back so you have to made it smaller diameter than you want in the
end.
The other is get wire from an Orthodontist (sp) it can be bent easily and
doesn't spring back.  When you get the size and shape you want, heat it
to a dull red and let it air cool, I don't think I quenched it, and you
have a spring.  The trick with the dental wire was more than thirty years
ago (time flies when you are having fun).  Good luck.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:03:02 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
> Hi All,
> Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own 
> springs.
> I need to make up a spring for my trip lever on my 2hp R&V model SR. 
>  Not a 
> common spring found in hardware store supplies.  Also checked with 
> one of the 
> popular Mag & Igintor rebuilders.
> thankyou in advance,
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 


From edstoller at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 30 11:42:58 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:42:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for Elden DuRand
References: <005d01c5949e$20d068c0$00000003@x8h7l9>
	<BAY5-DAV7A1384521B12130EBF446BBC10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <008301c59536$98798300$b9bff504@x8h7l9>

Thank you Rick and George. I knew I saw his name on one of these sites. I
always listen to what he has to say.

Ed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Looking for Elden DuRand


> edurand at cybertron.com
>
> Take Care Ed
>
> RickinMt.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> To: "stationary-engine at atis.net" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 6:32 PM
> Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for Elden DuRand
>
>
> I need some help and can't find Elden. Elden, do you have your ears on?
> edstoller at earthlink dot net
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jul 30 19:16:30 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:16:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050730220544.041e2de0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
	We now have about 50 people who have indicated that they will be attending 
the Annual ATIS Dinner at Portland on Thursday, August 25th at 6:00 PM. The 
Annual ATIS Charity Auction will follow at about 7:00.
	I hope to give Ellen (at The Back 40) some indication as to our total 
number by August 15th. If you plan to join us, but have not as yet let me 
know, please do so by then. (It's not necessary that I give her an exact 
number, but I'd like to at least be "in the ball park.") Also be thinking 
about what you might bring to the auction.
	Dave



From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sun Jul 31 00:32:07 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:32:07 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Good little show today... Emerald Winterfest (Victoria,
	Australia)
Message-ID: <42EC7E77.7010202@steamengine.com.au>

Got home from the Emerald Winterfest half an hour ago, a fantastic turn 
out this year (including SEL member Mick Christie!). Usually this show 
is tiny with 4 to 6 engines, but today we had over 20, that combined 
with a really good day of weather and a huge crowd (most of town turned 
up). Hopefully the show has finally reached critical mass and we'll be 
able to expand a little every year.

I was a lazy bugger (way too much non engine stuff to do at work & home) 
and only took the little Maytag I finished the other week. At first it 
was a dud and would not go, but after I played with the magneto (didn't 
do anything, literally just wiggled things) off it went. It ran non-stop 
until it ran out of fuel towards the end of the day where I left it 
alone to cool off before loading the difficult load to make the trip 
home. I had the muffler held on with a tent peg (mainly to annoy our 
club secretary who has come to expect something wierd on my engines!)

The only bad bit is I've picked up a flu... getting into the fever part 
of it right now :(

I have to write something up for the club newsletter (got cornered) but 
then I'm off to bed to try sleep this crap off.

I'll try to get pictures up soon. There was a bit of a MacDonald 
overload - the good thing about Macs is that most of them smoke so much 
no-one noticed the Maytag signature cloud.

Paul

-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


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From bdb at mchsi.com  Sat Jul 30 20:29:10 2005
From: bdb at mchsi.com (bdb)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:29:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] John Ross
Message-ID: <00b301c59580$04465d80$c947d70c@VALUED20606295>

Does anyone  have an email address for John Ross in Hebron Indiana. I need to talk to him about his McMullin (Little Mack) engine. Thanks, Barry


E-Mail at bdb at mchsi.com

From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Sun Jul 31 05:35:05 2005
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:35:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] John Ross
Message-ID: <000401c595cc$4aadd360$f0680b42@computer>

Barry,
  John Ross
  405 West Church St.
  Hebron, IN.  46341   Phone#  (219) 996-4854
I don't believe John is on the enternet.     George
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From: bdb <bdb at mchsi.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, July 31, 2005 2:59 AM
Subject: [SEL] John Ross


>Does anyone  have an email address for John Ross in Hebron Indiana. I need
to talk to him about his McMullin (Little Mack) engine. Thanks, Barry
>
>
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From elidas at aol.com  Sun Jul 31 07:32:27 2005
From: elidas at aol.com (elidas at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:32:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort
In-Reply-To: <000b01c59304$c01326c0$546ea618@pengy>
References: <BAY5-DAV141EC580CB0DB107C18810BBCC0@phx.gbl>
	<000b01c59304$c01326c0$546ea618@pengy>
Message-ID: <8C763F3CF25854C-1314-E593@mblk-r36.sysops.aol.com>

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Rowlands <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:41:45 -0400
Subject: Re: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort


Its a sight glass-drain valve combination. It could be used for any number of things. Could be on a condensate tank where you would check the level of condensate and empty it with the cock. Or perhaps in an oil reservoir where you would use the cock to fill your oil can and the sight glass used to tell you when the oil tank was empty. 
 
Certainly not an oiler. 
 
Rick 
 
----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> 
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
Cc: "Corky Harris" <mtmidway3 at msn.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:06 PM 
Subject: [SEL] lunk oilers of some sort 
 
> what would ya think these would have been used on?? Got me stumped: 
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7532930376&category=58177&rd=1 
> 
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jul 31 10:17:43 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:17:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Good little show today... Emerald Winterfest (Victoria,
	Australia)
In-Reply-To: <42EC7E77.7010202@steamengine.com.au>
References: <42EC7E77.7010202@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <c35d7da17deb9398408d6bbe7eb77887@chartertn.net>

> There was a bit of a MacDonald overload - the good thing about Macs is 
> that most of them smoke so much no-one noticed the Maytag signature 
> cloud.

Took me a moment to figure out what MacDonalds you were referring to. 
Over here, that  brings to mind the McDonald's burger joints. Of 
course, sometimes an overload of Big Macs can cause the emission of a 
cloud that would make bystanders instantly forget about the Maytags, 
too!

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 31 11:21:33 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:21:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050730220544.041e2de0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <20050731182133.39641.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Dave,

I am sad to tell you that I will not make it to the Portland show or dinner after all this year.
There is just too much work that has to be done here.  ONLY if the weather channel is saying we
will get three days of VERY nasty weather here I will check the weather down there and make a
decision.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan


--- Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 	We now have about 50 people who have indicated that they will be attending 
> the Annual ATIS Dinner at Portland on Thursday, August 25th at 6:00 PM. The 
> Annual ATIS Charity Auction will follow at about 7:00.
> 	I hope to give Ellen (at The Back 40) some indication as to our total 
> number by August 15th. If you plan to join us, but have not as yet let me 
> know, please do so by then. (It's not necessary that I give her an exact 
> number, but I'd like to at least be "in the ball park.") Also be thinking 
> about what you might bring to the auction.
> 	Dave
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Jul 31 03:41:49 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:41:49 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Making a spring
Message-ID: <073120051041.17755.42ECAAED000D11980000455B21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks Ron but did you use some sort of jig to help hold the wire while trying 
to coil it?  Would like step by step details.  I do know about sources for 
spring wire stock as well.
Curt


> Hi Curt.
> There are a couple of ways that I know of.  First is get the spring wire
> from a hobby shop, I think they come in lots of diameters and two or
> three feet long.  bend it to the shape you want.  The problem is it
> springs back so you have to made it smaller diameter than you want in the
> end.
> The other is get wire from an Orthodontist (sp) it can be bent easily and
> doesn't spring back.  When you get the size and shape you want, heat it
> to a dull red and let it air cool, I don't think I quenched it, and you
> have a spring.  The trick with the dental wire was more than thirty years
> ago (time flies when you are having fun).  Good luck.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:03:02 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
> > Hi All,
> > Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own 
> > springs.
> > I need to make up a spring for my trip lever on my 2hp R&V model SR. 
> >  Not a 
> > common spring found in hardware store supplies.  Also checked with 
> > one of the 
> > popular Mag & Igintor rebuilders.
> > thankyou in advance,
> > Curt Andree
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> > 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Jul 31 03:52:03 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:52:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Making a spring
Message-ID: <073120051052.19970.42ECAD530009985100004E0221979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thankyou very much Bill, this is the article I was searching for.  Have you 
made any springs before?  Please contact me off line to discuss more details.
Curt


> Here ya go, Curt.
> 
>  http://home.earthlink.net/~bazillion/springs.html
> 
> B?
>  
> Bill Brueck (brick)
> Chatfield, MN, USA
>  
> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> cgandree at mchsi.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:03 AM
> To: SEL Lists
> Subject: [SEL] Making a spring
> 
> Hi All,
> Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own
> springs.
> I need to make up a spring for my trip lever on my 2hp R&V model SR.  Not a
> common spring found in hardware store supplies.  Also checked with one of
> the popular Mag & Igintor rebuilders.
> thankyou in advance,
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
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From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Jul 31 13:19:28 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:19:28 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SEL] Making a spring
In-Reply-To: <073120051041.17755.42ECAAED000D11980000455B21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20050731201928.30998.qmail@web25503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Curt

One way is to have a screw thread bar held in the chuck with a cross hole to take the end of the
spring wire.  Set the carriage feed to the same pitch as the thread.  In the tool holder have a
piece of steel bar with a hole drilled through it the same size as the spring wire so that the
wire is fed through in a controlled manner onto the screw thread bar.  Put a grub screw down
through the wire feeder to press against the spring wire and adjust the pressure to keep it tight.
 If you are being posh, the grub screw could have a brass slug so that it is brass rubbing against
the steel instead of the hard steel.

Wear stout gloves - that wire will cut through your hand with consummate ease.

Hope this helps

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea

  

--- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Thanks Ron but did you use some sort of jig to help hold the wire while trying 
> to coil it?  Would like step by step details.  I do know about sources for 
> spring wire stock as well.
> Curt
> 
> 
> > Hi Curt.
> > There are a couple of ways that I know of.  First is get the spring wire
> > from a hobby shop, I think they come in lots of diameters and two or
> > three feet long.  bend it to the shape you want.  The problem is it
> > springs back so you have to made it smaller diameter than you want in the
> > end.
> > The other is get wire from an Orthodontist (sp) it can be bent easily and
> > doesn't spring back.  When you get the size and shape you want, heat it
> > to a dull red and let it air cool, I don't think I quenched it, and you
> > have a spring.  The trick with the dental wire was more than thirty years
> > ago (time flies when you are having fun).  Good luck.
> > 
> > Ron Haskell
>
> > 
> > On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:03:02 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

> > > Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own 
> > > springs.


	
	
		
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From b2 at chooka.net  Sun Jul 31 15:34:17 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:34:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Making a spring
In-Reply-To: <073120051052.19970.42ECAD530009985100004E0221979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <200507311734307.SM02420@wrbpc>

Curt:

While I'd be glad go off list if you wish, the topic is certainly relevant
to the list and if we pool our ignorance maybe it will benefit others, too.

My spring making experience is pretty slim.  I did get a spring making kit
for Christmas or something many years ago and have used it successfully a
few times.  It came with an assortment of wire and a tool that is
reminiscent of that little pocket-sized jig we used to carry when building
fence.  Maybe you know the device, it was for getting a good tight wrap on
that short piece of wire that attached the barbed (or woven, for that
matter) wire to the steel post.  The point was that it applied the torque
right next to where you really wanted the wire to bend, just next to the
fence strand.  

David's post references this same need with the jig he describes.  Point
being that if you can apply the pressure right near the form that you're
wrapping the wire around, the resulting wrap will be pretty close to the
desired diameter.

Curt, I met you at the Baraboo, Wisconsin show a few years back, didn't I?
That was the year Reg Ingold was in town.  I don't get out much, haven't met
many of the list members and have forgotten the names and faces of many I
have met.  I just learned that a neighbor is going to Baraboo this season,
he has a couple of Oliver crawlers he wants to take over.  Maybe I'll make
the show this year.  It's only about 3 hours from my place.

Take care, you're welcome to my ignorance on the subject, I have plenty to
share.

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
cgandree at mchsi.com
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:52 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring

Thankyou very much Bill, this is the article I was searching for.  Have you
made any springs before?  Please contact me off line to discuss more
details.
Curt


> Here ya go, Curt.
> 
>  http://home.earthlink.net/~bazillion/springs.html
> 
> B?
>  
> Bill Brueck (brick)
> Chatfield, MN, USA
>  
> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> cgandree at mchsi.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:03 AM
> To: SEL Lists
> Subject: [SEL] Making a spring
> 
> Hi All,
> Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own
> springs.
> I need to make up a spring for my trip lever on my 2hp R&V model SR.  Not
a
> common spring found in hardware store supplies.  Also checked with one of
> the popular Mag & Igintor rebuilders.
> thankyou in advance,
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 31 15:55:24 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:55:24 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Making a spring
In-Reply-To: <073020051003.24752.42EB5055000F38FD000060B021979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <073020051003.24752.42EB5055000F38FD000060B021979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <42ED56DC.80206@earthlink.net>

Hi Curt,

This link may be of help.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MakingSprings/Thumbnails.html

Jeff Allen

cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

>Hi All,
>Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own springs.
>I need to make up a spring for my trip lever on my 2hp R&V model SR.  Not a 
>common spring found in hardware store supplies.  Also checked with one of the 
>popular Mag & Igintor rebuilders.
>thankyou in advance,
>Curt Andree
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 31 17:10:07 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:10:07 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Bird City
Message-ID: <42ED685F.4010009@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Back from the Bird City show. If you love steam tractors, or even 
tractors, it's a great show. I wish they had more stationary engines 
running and maybe I can help that out in the future. Lot of show and 
tells that never got run this year.

We got to spend the best part of the day there and it was a hot one. 105 
or better in the shade. The good news was my buddy was there with his 
motor home. Pop in for some AC and a cold barley pop now and then. That 
was a lifesaver for us. Had a great feed for dinner with all you can eat 
barbecue. Also had some watermelon mid afternoon that someone was giving 
away. Hate to say it, but it was better than beer at the time. Only had 
four chunks myself. GREAT!

Short one got to drive a steam tractor again, and that is a highlight. 
He's a little taller in the saddle now, so he got to sit in the seat. 
Pretty good head of steam and he got a workout.

We got to stay for most of the tractor pull this year. This one like 
many, uses people for weight, and they have to be 16 or older. They do 
one pull that the short ones can ride the sled, and it was great. Think 
the grand total was 50 on the sled.

The tractor parade was great and my buddy and I both saw tractors we had 
never even heard of. He is a big FATG and that came as a surprise to me. 
There was some pretty rare iron there.

We headed for the motel shortly before the end of the pull. Drank some 
cold ones and shot the s**t with the guy in the next room for a couple 
hours on the patio. Nice way to end the day. Worn out after the drive 
back and still had to attend an invite this afternoon. Got that done and 
ready for some soap, water, chow, and sleep.

I took 172 pictures and will sort them out later and put em up for all. 
Here are a few of my favorites.

http://oldirongallery.com/BC.html

Always great to be back home.

Jeff Allen





From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Jul 31 17:57:46 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:57:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bird City
References: <42ED685F.4010009@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001401c59634$080c0b40$576f8645@carolina.rr.com>

Great shots!!!  Captured the moments pretty good.

Mike Royster
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Oldengine list" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 8:10 PM
Subject: [SEL] Bird City


> Hi all,
> 
> Back from the Bird City show. If you love steam tractors, or even 
> tractors, it's a great show. I wish they had more stationary engines 
> running and maybe I can help that out in the future. Lot of show and 
> tells that never got run this year.
> 
> We got to spend the best part of the day there and it was a hot one. 105 
> or better in the shade. The good news was my buddy was there with his 
> motor home. Pop in for some AC and a cold barley pop now and then. That 
> was a lifesaver for us. Had a great feed for dinner with all you can eat 
> barbecue. Also had some watermelon mid afternoon that someone was giving 
> away. Hate to say it, but it was better than beer at the time. Only had 
> four chunks myself. GREAT!
> 
> Short one got to drive a steam tractor again, and that is a highlight. 
> He's a little taller in the saddle now, so he got to sit in the seat. 
> Pretty good head of steam and he got a workout.
> 
> We got to stay for most of the tractor pull this year. This one like 
> many, uses people for weight, and they have to be 16 or older. They do 
> one pull that the short ones can ride the sled, and it was great. Think 
> the grand total was 50 on the sled.
> 
> The tractor parade was great and my buddy and I both saw tractors we had 
> never even heard of. He is a big FATG and that came as a surprise to me. 
> There was some pretty rare iron there.
> 
> We headed for the motel shortly before the end of the pull. Drank some 
> cold ones and shot the s**t with the guy in the next room for a couple 
> hours on the patio. Nice way to end the day. Worn out after the drive 
> back and still had to attend an invite this afternoon. Got that done and 
> ready for some soap, water, chow, and sleep.
> 
> I took 172 pictures and will sort them out later and put em up for all. 
> Here are a few of my favorites.
> 
> http://oldirongallery.com/BC.html
> 
> Always great to be back home.
> 
> Jeff Allen
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From nick at holden1.net  Sun Jul 31 08:14:01 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:14:01 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] Bulldog engine
Message-ID: <42ECEAB9.000003.03488@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Hi
can anyone help to date my new toy its a Bull dog 2 1/2 hp
serial no B32433 also any info on these engines would
be good also if anyone has photos on webshots can you let
me know thanks
 
nick
 
 
 
Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden