From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Sat Jan  1 01:42:54 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 20:42:54 +1100
Subject: [SEL] New Year
Message-ID: <006901c4efe6$6185ed20$ec3354d2@cam>

Hi I would like to wish all the Listies a Happy New Year and a healthy 2005.
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia




From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 03:36:20 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 03:36:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
In-Reply-To: <000d01c4efa8$d8471da0$9c680b42@gnarmstrong>
Message-ID: <20050101113621.43346.qmail@web14107.mail.yahoo.com>

Yep, they did, and that's what I'm looking for except a small one. Say about half the size of one in a B or H. What I want it for is, I'm building a half scale B . It will use 16" rear tires and is about 5" long. Just half the size of a B. I got a Tacmusha 10 HP in it right now but it would be better if I could find one with the 2 cyl horizontal configuration. I chose the Tacumsha vertical because of the overhead valve design looks somewhat like the John Deere engine. Especially when I get a dummy flywheel and belt pulley on it. The biggest problem I'm running into is trying to get the half size tractor to fit a full size person and still be operational.  As an example, the seat size can't be reduced to half size. and the leg room. My legs and feet will extend out past the engine and flywheel. 
I wonder why John Deere's don't fire evenly. I think they are 90 degrees from eachother which means they fire say at 0 degrees then the other cylinder fires at 90 degrees, then it wouldn't fire again for 630 degrees ??? 360 X 2 = 720 - 90 for the second cylinder = 630 . So it would fire 0 , 90, 630 , 720.  Love the sound of one running at  slow speed.  You just can't duplicate that sound with any other type of engine. 
Enough
Ron 

George & Norma Armstrong <gnarmstrong at netnitco.net> wrote:
Ron,
John Deere made just such an engine for years and they also put them into
a tractor. George
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Frost, Kersey, PA 
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
Date: Friday, December 31, 2004 5:45 PM
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?


>Hi Folks,
>Has anyone ever seen or heard of a engine that has 2 cylinders laying
horizontal and next to each other with a horizontal crank? Something of the
newer, higher speed type. Lets say a Briggs with 2 parallel side by side
cylinders and a horizontal crank? Not apposed and not a vertical shaft. I'd
like to find such an animal to put into a small homemade tractor I'm
building.
>Thanks
>Ron
>
>
>
>Ron Frost
>Kersey, PA
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From prepair at easynet.co.uk  Sat Jan  1 04:03:38 2005
From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 12:03:38 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
In-Reply-To: <20050101113621.43346.qmail@web14107.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <000d01c4efa8$d8471da0$9c680b42@gnarmstrong>
	<20050101113621.43346.qmail@web14107.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <n54dt0d7glnv13qkv9hl3llp0stto44emd@4ax.com>

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 03:36:20 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
>I wonder why John Deere's don't fire evenly. I think they are 90 degrees
 from eachother which means they fire say at 0 degrees then the other
cylinder fires at 90 degrees, then it wouldn't fire again for 630
degrees ??? 360 X 2 = 720 - 90 for the second cylinder = 630 . So it
would fire 0 , 90, 630 , 720.  Love the sound of one running at  slow
speed.  You just can't duplicate that sound with any other type of
engine. 
>Enough
>Ron 

They are almost certainly 180 degrees, same as most Lister twins. You
then get a 'bang, bang, silence, silence' sort of firing which does
sound odd but the balance is better than 360 degree cranks like the
british motorcycles had, the firing pulses were even but the balancing
was awful.

I think the big Fairbanks-Morse up at the Mount Wilson observatory has
360 degree cranks if my memory isn't too bad.

 
Peter
--
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Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK
prepair at easynet.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk




From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 04:36:15 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 04:36:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
In-Reply-To: <n54dt0d7glnv13qkv9hl3llp0stto44emd@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <20050101123615.96147.qmail@web14123.mail.yahoo.com>

You would think so. It will be interesting to find out for sure just how they do work. Maybe a John Deere expert will chim in.
Thanks
Ron

Prepair Ltd <prepair at easynet.co.uk> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 03:36:20 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
>I wonder why John Deere's don't fire evenly. I think they are 90 degrees
from eachother which means they fire say at 0 degrees then the other
cylinder fires at 90 degrees, then it wouldn't fire again for 630
degrees ??? 360 X 2 = 720 - 90 for the second cylinder = 630 . So it
would fire 0 , 90, 630 , 720. Love the sound of one running at slow
speed. You just can't duplicate that sound with any other type of
engine. 
>Enough
>Ron 

They are almost certainly 180 degrees, same as most Lister twins. You
then get a 'bang, bang, silence, silence' sort of firing which does
sound odd but the balance is better than 360 degree cranks like the
british motorcycles had, the firing pulses were even but the balancing
was awful.

I think the big Fairbanks-Morse up at the Mount Wilson observatory has
360 degree cranks if my memory isn't too bad.


Peter
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From oldengin at udata.com  Sat Jan  1 06:05:27 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 09:05:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F65D6DD85EB93B4F892DF0C89E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F65D6DD85EB93B4F892DF0C89E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41D6AE27.7020108@udata.com>

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Hi George,
>
> Nope, it's not too early. I've had a few guys already asking if I 
> could cut them some. The main problem for me will be finding wood to 
> use for the shingles.  Would want to make sure it is nail and metal 
> free.  I know that cedar is popular, but finding it could be a 
> problem. Not sure what other types of wood can be used for shingles.
>
Luke, telephone poles make great shingles as they are sometimes cedar 
and then sometimes creosote treated. My brother cuts pole with his mill 
all the time.  Just a thought.

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jan  1 06:11:16 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 09:11:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
In-Reply-To: <n54dt0d7glnv13qkv9hl3llp0stto44emd@4ax.com>
References: <000d01c4efa8$d8471da0$9c680b42@gnarmstrong>	<20050101113621.43346.qmail@web14107.mail.yahoo.com>
	<n54dt0d7glnv13qkv9hl3llp0stto44emd@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <41D6AF84.3090804@scrtc.com>

Hagan built some 2 cylinder engines that were set up both ways.  There 
are 3 of them left, a 20, 30, and 50 HP.  The 30 and 50 are set up so 
that there is always a cylinder coming up on compression.  This would 
make for a smooth running engine.  You would have "bang - exhaust - bang 
- exhaust - bang - exhaust....."  However, the 20 is set up different, 
like the JD tractors.  On it, you have a cylinder firing, then the other 
cylinder firing, then exhaust, then exhaust, then repeat the process.  
So, it would be "bang - bang - exhaust - exhaust - bang - bang - exhaust 
- exhaust......".  Now, here's the big question, the 30 and 50 both have 
a counter balanced crank, the 20 doesn't.  This looks like it would be 
just the opposite of what it should be.  If there is a reasoning for 
this, maybe this is one of the reason's JD did it the way they did, to 
prevent from having to do additional counter weighting of the crank.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>>I wonder why John Deere's don't fire evenly. I think they are 90 degrees
>>    
>>
> from eachother which means they fire say at 0 degrees then the other
>cylinder fires at 90 degrees, then it wouldn't fire again for 630
>degrees ??? 360 X 2 = 720 - 90 for the second cylinder = 630 . So it
>would fire 0 , 90, 630 , 720.  Love the sound of one running at  slow
>speed.  You just can't duplicate that sound with any other type of
>engine. 
>  
>
>>Enough
>>Ron 
>>    
>>
>
>  
>


From oldengin at udata.com  Sat Jan  1 06:12:12 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 09:12:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
In-Reply-To: <20050101123615.96147.qmail@web14123.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050101123615.96147.qmail@web14123.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41D6AFBC.6010108@udata.com>

Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote:

>You would think so. It will be interesting to find out for sure just how they do work. Maybe a John Deere expert will chim in.
>Thanks
>Ron
>
>Prepair Ltd <prepair at easynet.co.uk> wrote:
>On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 03:36:20 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
>  
>
>>I wonder why John Deere's don't fire evenly. I think they are 90 degrees
>>    
>>
>from eachother which means they fire say at 0 degrees then the other
>cylinder fires at 90 degrees, then it wouldn't fire again for 630
>degrees ??? 360 X 2 = 720 - 90 for the second cylinder = 630 . So it
>would fire 0 , 90, 630 , 720. Love the sound of one running at slow
>speed. You just can't duplicate that sound with any other type of
>engine. 
>  
>
>>Enough
>>Ron 
>>    
>>
>
>They are almost certainly 180 degrees, same as most Lister twins. You
>then get a 'bang, bang, silence, silence' sort of firing which does
>sound odd 
>
>  
>
Ron, you could always build the engin you need for your tractor. Sounds 
like it would be an easy and fun little project.   So are the throws 
together or 180 from each other?

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


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From jbcast at charter.net  Sat Jan  1 06:41:34 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 14:41:34 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
Message-ID: <3k77vr$frthi7@mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net>


>  Now, here's the big question, the 30 and 50 both have 
> a counter balanced crank, the 20 doesn't.  This looks like it would be 
> just the opposite of what it should be.  If there is a reasoning for 
> this, maybe this is one of the reason's JD did it the way they did, to 
> prevent from having to do additional counter weighting of the crank.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
The 180 degree cranks are mechanically balanced, but fire unevenly. It's impossible to completly balance an engine with counterweights, you're trying to balance reciprocating motion with a rotary weight, it will always be a compromise. If you put too much weight on the crank it will start to wobble as it goes around. Alluminum pistons did wonders for balance, reducing reciprocating weight. A 180 crank allows one cylinder to offset the other, but you still have an engine that's trying to rock back and forth, as one piston reaches the top and the other the bottom the engine tries to follow it, the opposite happens on the next stroke. 
J.B. Castagnos



From Aermoter at aol.com  Sat Jan  1 08:23:21 2005
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 11:23:21 EST
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
Message-ID: <8b.1dc3fba0.2f082879@aol.com>

If you like the sound of a John Deere then you would really like the sound 
from a large 2 cyl. Rumley, they had 180 cranks in them but much bigger bores.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 08:45:39 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 08:45:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
In-Reply-To: <8b.1dc3fba0.2f082879@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050101164539.93342.qmail@web14103.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes , the Rumley sound is great. I've see a couple running at shows.
Ron

Aermoter at aol.com wrote:
If you like the sound of a John Deere then you would really like the sound 
from a large 2 cyl. Rumley, they had 180 cranks in them but much bigger bores.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com
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From lfevans at pacbell.net  Sat Jan  1 09:44:23 2005
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 09:44:23 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
In-Reply-To: <n54dt0d7glnv13qkv9hl3llp0stto44emd@4ax.com>
References: <000d01c4efa8$d8471da0$9c680b42@gnarmstrong>
	<20050101113621.43346.qmail@web14107.mail.yahoo.com>
	<n54dt0d7glnv13qkv9hl3llp0stto44emd@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050101090150.02844f10@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>


>
>They are almost certainly 180 degrees, same as most Lister twins. You
>then get a 'bang, bang, silence, silence' sort of firing which does
>sound odd but the balance is better than 360 degree cranks like the
>british motorcycles had, the firing pulses were even but the balancing
>was awful.
>
>I think the big Fairbanks-Morse up at the Mount Wilson observatory has
>360 degree cranks if my memory isn't too bad.
>
>
>Peter

Your memory is fine Peter.  The 2 cylinder 50 HP Fairbanks Morse Type RE at 
Mt. Wilson has a 360 degree crankshaft and the cylinders are on opposite 
cycles. As they approach tdc one is on compression and the other is on 
exhaust.  The flywheels are not counterbalanced but the crankshaft is.  The 
engine appears to run very smooth but fact that each flywheel weighs about 
one ton and the engine is solidly bolted to a large concrete pier might 
have something to do with it.

For those that might be new to the list take a look at my web site (URL in 
signature below) to see some pictures of it.

Regards,

Larry Evans
Arcadia, Southern California, USA
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Jan  1 09:59:31 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 09:59:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
In-Reply-To: <41D6AF84.3090804@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <200501011759.j01HxbB1050945@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


>Now, here's the big question,
>the 30 and 50 both have a counter balanced crank, the 20
>doesn't.  This looks like it would be just the opposite of
>what it should be.  If there is a reasoning for this,
>maybe this is one of the reason's JD did it the way they
>did, to prevent from having to do additional counter
>weighting of the crank. 

The 30 and 50 Hagans, as described, would have even power output, but would not
be inherently smoother running engines.  (Titan drivers say this is better in
the slow race, but the proof is in the ribbon)

720 degrees of crankshaft rotation are required in our standard four-cycle
engines.  Divide by 2 cylinders and we have a cylinder firing every 360 degrees.
That will mean that BOTH crankshaft throws will be lined up and the pistons will
be moving up and down at the same time.  That's a LOT of mass flying around, and
even with crankshaft counterweights, there will be vibration.  

Take a look at the early Rumelys.  They had crankshafts that were lined up.  You
hear the evenly spaced exhaust... thump... thump... thump... and see the whole
tractor rocking because of an engine that isn't well balanced.  

In 1917 Rumely changed it's crankshaft throws to 180 degrees apart, like the the
Hagan 20 horse or a John Deere.  The cylinders now fired at 180 degree and 540
degree spacing... thump thump... thump thump... thump thump... 

The result is that they built smoother running engines.  



=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 






From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Sat Jan  1 10:01:42 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 18:01:42 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050101090150.02844f10@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>
References: <000d01c4efa8$d8471da0$9c680b42@gnarmstrong>
	<20050101113621.43346.qmail@web14107.mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <s9pdt0d61kn8e4jq5avm4l5jg5pb0csmlq@4ax.com>

On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 09:44:23 -0800, you wrote:

>
>>
>>They are almost certainly 180 degrees, same as most Lister twins. You
>>then get a 'bang, bang, silence, silence' sort of firing which does
>>sound odd but the balance is better than 360 degree cranks like the
>>british motorcycles had, the firing pulses were even but the balancing
>>was awful.
>>
>>I think the big Fairbanks-Morse up at the Mount Wilson observatory has
>>360 degree cranks if my memory isn't too bad.
>>
>>
>>Peter
>
>Your memory is fine Peter.  The 2 cylinder 50 HP Fairbanks Morse Type RE at 
>Mt. Wilson has a 360 degree crankshaft and the cylinders are on opposite 
>cycles. As they approach tdc one is on compression and the other is on 
>exhaust.  The flywheels are not counterbalanced but the crankshaft is.  The 
>engine appears to run very smooth but fact that each flywheel weighs about 
>one ton and the engine is solidly bolted to a large concrete pier might 
>have something to do with it.
>
>For those that might be new to the list take a look at my web site (URL in 
>signature below) to see some pictures of it.
>
>Regards,
>
>Larry Evans

Thanks for confirming that for me, Larry, there's also some pictures of the
beastie on our website under the Mount Wilson icon on the front page.

Peter




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jan  1 10:32:49 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:32:49 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
Message-ID: <20050101.103250.1316.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Ron.  
I have seen this done before by taking a JD LUC or similar power unit and
laying it on it's side.  The oil pick up has to be moved but it seemed to
work well.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
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On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 03:36:20 -0800 (PST) "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA"
<ron217_2000 at yahoo.com> writes:
> Yep, they did, and that's what I'm looking for except a small one. 
> Say about half the size of one in a B or H. What I want it for is, 
> I'm building a half scale B . It will use 16" rear tires and is 
> about 5" long. Just half the size of a B.


From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 11:26:39 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 11:26:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
In-Reply-To: <20050101.103250.1316.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20050101192639.84875.qmail@web14126.mail.yahoo.com>

Humm, Good idea Ron. I'll think on that one. Thanks
Ron

rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
Hi Ron. 
I have seen this done before by taking a JD LUC or similar power unit and
laying it on it's side. The oil pick up has to be moved but it seemed to
work well.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
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On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 03:36:20 -0800 (PST) "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA"
writes:
> Yep, they did, and that's what I'm looking for except a small one. 
> Say about half the size of one in a B or H. What I want it for is, 
> I'm building a half scale B . It will use 16" rear tires and is 
> about 5" long. Just half the size of a B.
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Jan  1 16:36:14 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 19:36:14 EST
Subject: [SEL] IHC LB Engine Operating Observances
Message-ID: <97.55f02335.2f089bfe@aol.com>

Hi,
In getting one of the new IHC LB acquisitions running, I observed several 
unique things about the oiling system on this engine.
    The oil gets to the rear oiling trough through a pipe which has wick 
extended         into the crankcase.  The splashing of the crankcase oil is picked 
up via this             crankcase wick and slowly lets the collected oil drip 
into the rocker arms and         valve stems collection tray located above 
the valve train.  
    The oil collection tray also has a collection felt to absorb the oil 
being supplied     by the collection tube via a metering adjustment.  There are 
two oil distribution     tube extending from this collection tray into the base 
of the valves.  Located             around each of the valve stems is a felt 
retainer assembly.  The oil which                 is absorbed by these valve 
felts is used to lubricate the valve stems.
    There is another hole in the collection tray which matches up to a hole   
                  located on the rocker arm shaft.  Inside of this rocker arm 
shaft is another felt to     hold oil that drips down from the collection 
tray hole.  There are two                         additional oil holes in the 
rocker arm shaft that are aligned with the rocker             arms to lubricate 
the rocker arms.
There doesn't seem to be a method of lubricating the push rod ends other than 
manually.
In trying to unstick the governor throttle plate assembly in the head, the 
throttle valve shaft was broken.  A replacement was fabricated from three pieces 
of brass material (7/32" tube, 3/16 solid rod, and ?" square tube obtained 
from a hobby store) and silver soldered together.  
Any other IHC LB engine restoration or operating tips that others may have 
are appreciated.

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 


From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jan  1 08:39:05 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 11:39:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050101111635.023d8948@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
	Many of you know Charlie Bryant from either the List, or from shows that 
he attends. Due to his move from Missouri
  to Maine Charlie has not been on the List of late.
	I heard from Charlie about a week before X-mas and he was scheduled to go 
into the hospital for heart surgery. However, there was an infection around 
some old pace maker wires that they left in in 1984 when Charlie had his 
ignition system redone. Therefore the decision was to take the wires out 
before the heart surgery. The wires should be taken out at Mass. general in 
Boston sometime next week. Then as soon as that heals (sometime in Feb.) he 
will go back in for the major surgery.
	Charlie tells me that he is feeling fine and doing "light duty" in his 
heated shop in Maine and just waiting for the hospital to call. I'm sure 
that he would like to hear from some of his List friends--He said to say HI 
to all of you. Charlie is at: "Charles R  Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
	Dave



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Sun Jan  2 07:53:23 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 07:53:23 -0800
Subject: [SEL] New Years Day Crank up??
Message-ID: <41D818F3.A201D16C@wightman.ca>

Hi Folks,

Did anyone get out and fire up an engine yesterday? I had the 2 HP
Massey out for a while. Unseasonably warm here
for this time of year.

Dunc

--
Duncan and Sandy Denman
Ayton, Ontario, Canada
Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca
Visit our Home Page at:
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/
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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Sun Jan  2 07:13:44 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 15:13:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Correct Oiler
Message-ID: <41D80FA7.351D41@insulate.co.uk>

Hi
Can anyone tell me the correct oiler for a 3HP Fairbanks kerosene engine
- size etc.
Thanks!

Jim

--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk




From Aermoter at aol.com  Sun Jan  2 08:03:31 2005
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:03:31 EST
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
Message-ID: <1f1.321a2521.2f097553@aol.com>

I took a 2 cyl 8 hp cushman and laid it down to make a horizontal engine.  
Had to change rotate the bearings for the gov to work right and you will have to 
rework the carb and exhaust but it seems to work fine.  Have a 2 cyl open 
valve train Falcon marine engine that I am thinking of doing something of the 
same with.  Would make a nice waterloo boy tractor engine.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan  2 08:09:05 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:09:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050101111635.023d8948@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <001c01c4f0e5$63d97830$230110ac@PAUL>

Thanks Dave for the update on Charlie, I just fired off an e-mail to him.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Charles R Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:39 AM
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant


> Hi All,
> Many of you know Charlie Bryant from either the List, or from shows that 
> he attends. Due to his move from Missouri
>  to Maine Charlie has not been on the List of late.
> I heard from Charlie about a week before X-mas and he was scheduled to go 
> into the hospital for heart surgery. However, there was an infection 
> around some old pace maker wires that they left in in 1984 when Charlie 
> had his 




From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Jan  2 08:31:35 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:31:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Years Day Crank up??
Message-ID: <20050102.113216.1260.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Duncan,

YEP !!!
 Had our ( me & Sylvia) own little engine show in the driveway.  A few
smudge pots - a Coleman gasoline lantern - a fire going in the fire ring
and the Jaeger running in the
background.

At midnight all wa running and air horns - guns - & sirens going.

HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  2 08:53:24 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 08:53:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
In-Reply-To: <1f1.321a2521.2f097553@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050102165324.92543.qmail@web14101.mail.yahoo.com>

Tim, Is the Cushman engine you used an opposed cylinder or is it two cylinders side by side?
Ron

Aermoter at aol.com wrote:
I took a 2 cyl 8 hp cushman and laid it down to make a horizontal engine. 
Had to change rotate the bearings for the gov to work right and you will have to 
rework the carb and exhaust but it seems to work fine. Have a 2 cyl open 
valve train Falcon marine engine that I am thinking of doing something of the 
same with. Would make a nice waterloo boy tractor engine.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com
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From b2 at chooka.net  Sun Jan  2 11:13:43 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:13:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
References: <20050102165324.92543.qmail@web14101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <022301c4f0ff$2d70f240$680aa8c0@apluscomputer.local>

This would be side by side, I have one of these engines, too.

According to Wendell's BYB these were made in several sizes up to 20hp. 
I've seen several of the 8's, have never seen any of the bigger ones.  From 
Wendell's book the bare 8hp engine was 325 pounds.

B?
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Did they ever make?


> Tim, Is the Cushman engine you used an opposed cylinder or is it two 
> cylinders side by side?
> Ron
>
> Aermoter at aol.com wrote:
> I took a 2 cyl 8 hp cushman and laid it down to make a horizontal engine.
> Had to change rotate the bearings for the gov to work right and you will 
> have to
> rework the carb and exhaust but it seems to work fine. Have a 2 cyl open
> valve train Falcon marine engine that I am thinking of doing something of 
> the
> same with. Would make a nice waterloo boy tractor engine.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor, Ks.
> Aermoter at aol.com
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>
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>
>  http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
>
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From Aermoter at aol.com  Sun Jan  2 12:51:24 2005
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:51:24 EST
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
Message-ID: <1e6.31eea45e.2f09b8cc@aol.com>

They are a side by side.  

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From mrengine at comcast.net  Sun Jan  2 15:46:35 2005
From: mrengine at comcast.net (mrengine at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:46:35 +0000
Subject: [SEL] New Years Day Crank up??
Message-ID: <010220052346.24065.41D887DB0000541F00005E0122007503300A020709020A9D03@comcast.net>

Duncan,had the AC United running here in TN. Frank

-------------- Original message -------------- 

> Hi Folks, 
> 
> Did anyone get out and fire up an engine yesterday? I had the 2 HP 
> Massey out for a while. Unseasonably warm here 
> for this time of year. 
> 
> Dunc 
> 
> -- 
> Duncan and Sandy Denman 
> Ayton, Ontario, Canada 
> Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca 
> Visit our Home Page at: 
> http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ 
> Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry 
> 
> 
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sun Jan  2 16:10:06 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:10:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Correct Oiler
References: <41D80FA7.351D41@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000b01c4f128$995fe140$2185dccb@oemcomputer>

Hi Jim.They used a Michigan Lubricator or a Essex.They had a 1.75" glass and
a 1/4" pipe female thread and screwed onto a male thread on the pipe into
the cylinder..They didn't use a checkball or a breather they had a small
breather hole in the side bellow the bottom sight glass.Hope you can follow
my rambling's
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim French" <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:13
Subject: [SEL] Correct Oiler


> Hi
> Can anyone tell me the correct oiler for a 3HP Fairbanks kerosene engine
> - size etc.
> Thanks!
>
> Jim
>
> --
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
>
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan  2 20:43:25 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:43:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Mixer for 3-5 IH engine
Message-ID: <01ba01c4f14e$c56cee10$230110ac@PAUL>

I have an engine friend who is looking for a good mixer for his 3-5 IH LB engine, does anyone have a good one for sale?

Paul


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jan  2 21:30:38 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:30:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Sideshaft Monday
Message-ID: <200501030530.j035UMiC049793@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Today I did some maintenance on my 3.5hp Austral. The piston had a crack in
the skirt from when I had first got the engine some 20 years ago but a
recent check found that the crack was getting longer. I cleaned up the spare
piston which came with the engine and put it in the engine today. I also
replaced the governor cam with a spare as the original was badly worn
affecting the operation of the fuel valve. A bit of kero and a lot of heat
under the hot-bulb and the Austral was soon running. There is a little bit
of blow by from the new piston and rings but it will bed itself in.
Since I had the blow torch handy Ron decided we should start up his 3hp
Blackstone which had not been touched in nearly a year. I had to free up the
fuel pump, which had seized, and apply a lot of oil to the engine as it was
completely dry of oil. We tried to start the engine once it was hot enough
but there was not enough compression for it to fire. I turned the engine
over until the piston skirt protruded from the cylinder and then Ron tapped
around the piston skirt with his copper hammer. I wound the engine back over
and it finally had some decent compression. Ron's little trick with the
hammer had obviously fixed some sticky rings. The little Blackstone then
started easily.
A nice New Year public holiday spent running a couple of sweet little
sideshaft engines :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jan  2 22:44:05 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon,  3 Jan 2005 01:44:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill
In-Reply-To: <41D6AE27.7020108@udata.com>
References: <BAY103-F65D6DD85EB93B4F892DF0C89E0@phx.gbl>
	<41D6AE27.7020108@udata.com>
Message-ID: <1104734645.41d8e9b5cf376@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Leroy,

A telephone pole????  You've got to be kidding?  Hereabouts at least the outer
one inch of a phone pole over probably seven or eight feet is mostly iron from
all of the nails and crap thats been hammered into 'em from folks posting
stuff, nailing up basket ball hoops, etc.  

Unless you've got access to a really good metal detector, I'd guess you'd be
replacing blades A LOT!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting "Leroy C." <oldengin at udata.com>:

> Luke, telephone poles make great shingles as they are sometimes cedar 
> and then sometimes creosote treated. My brother cuts pole with his mill 
> all the time.  Just a thought.



From oldengin at udata.com  Mon Jan  3 03:28:27 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 06:28:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill
In-Reply-To: <1104734645.41d8e9b5cf376@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <BAY103-F65D6DD85EB93B4F892DF0C89E0@phx.gbl>	<41D6AE27.7020108@udata.com>
	<1104734645.41d8e9b5cf376@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <41D92C5B.5020702@udata.com>

fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

>Hi Leroy,
>
>A telephone pole????  You've got to be kidding?  Hereabouts at least the outer
>one inch of a phone pole over probably seven or eight feet is mostly iron from
>all of the nails and crap thats been hammered into 'em from folks posting
>stuff, nailing up basket ball hoops, etc.  
>
>Unless you've got access to a really good metal detector, I'd guess you'd be
>replacing blades A LOT!
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
>  
>
>
>  
>
Arnie, some of my best lumber of recent has been made from telephone 
poles. You do not have to use the entire pole and when making shingles 
you only need a 12-18 inch chunk of the pole and you are set. Findlay 
uses poles for there shingles, I think as they have at times.  My father 
put in one of them outdoor furnaces and he feed anything that will burn 
into it. Want some free firewood? try the poles. cough wheeze cough wheeze

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Mon Jan  3 03:42:04 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 22:42:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Sideshaft Monday
References: <200501030530.j035UMiC049793@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <002701c4f189$40037b00$f884dccb@oemcomputer>

Sounds as though you had fun.I worker on my 2 YB Stovers relocating them in
my shed and setting up water tanks.This all done I gave them both a good
run.A throttler and a hit and miss side by side running sure looked and
sounded great.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 4:30
Subject: [SEL] Sideshaft Monday




From tberry6 at carolina.rr.com  Sun Jan  2 18:37:10 2005
From: tberry6 at carolina.rr.com (Tommy Berry)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:37:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Years Day Crank up??
In-Reply-To: <41D818F3.A201D16C@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <001201c4f13d$212d9130$6401a8c0@TBerry>

We had our second annual New Years day Crankup.We had 22 engines and 28
tractors and a modelT and modelA Ford. The weather was hot for January in
North Carolina 69 degrees wow! Thanks Tommy Berry

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Duncan Denman
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:53 AM
To: ATIS Engine List
Subject: [SEL] New Years Day Crank up??

Hi Folks,

Did anyone get out and fire up an engine yesterday? I had the 2 HP
Massey out for a while. Unseasonably warm here
for this time of year.

Dunc

--
Duncan and Sandy Denman
Ayton, Ontario, Canada
Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca
Visit our Home Page at:
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/
Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry


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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  3 06:55:38 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:55:38 +0000
Subject: [SEL] New Years Day Crank up??
In-Reply-To: <41D818F3.A201D16C@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F22265863ED5BDAEF11A106C8900@phx.gbl>

Hi Duncan,

I fired up my Oil Pull and pulled two stumps and a pine tree out of the 
ground.  Didn't even change the tone of the engine. They weren't even a 
match for it. Was nice to get it out for a couple hours though.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
========================

>From: Duncan Denman <canuckiron at wightman.ca>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: ATIS Engine List <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] New Years Day Crank up??
>Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 07:53:23 -0800
>
>Hi Folks,
>
>Did anyone get out and fire up an engine yesterday? I had the 2 HP
>Massey out for a while. Unseasonably warm here
>for this time of year.
>
>Dunc
>
>--
>Duncan and Sandy Denman
>Ayton, Ontario, Canada
>Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca
>Visit our Home Page at:
>http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/
>Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry




From yostsw at atis.net  Mon Jan  3 07:06:20 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 10:06:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <00dc01c4f19f$bf380470$78b8973f@D74XKD21>
References: <00dc01c4f19f$bf380470$78b8973f@D74XKD21>
Message-ID: <200501031006200328.22BDA38B@heavyiron.atis.net>

I am back in town from the funeral, and will be posting some information on
the auction a little later on this afternoon.   I the mean time, I wanted
to post a couple of things:

I  make the motion that all proceeds from both the Portland Summer auction
and this Charity auction go to the Tsunami victims relief.   The need is is
tremendous and the news I am getting from a neighbor who has family in Sri
Lanka is heart breaking.   There are areas where food and water are nearly
non-existent and starvation and water borne diseases are starting to, and
will continue to, increase the death toll.  They need help immediately.

Payments should be made to:

Old Iron Auction Escrow Account

and then mailed to 

Spencer Yost
3160 MacBrandon Ln.
Pfafftown, NC 27040

PS:  I can't believe everyone is going to let me have those World Famous
Blue Handled Fence Pliers for just $125.    What a steal!

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net



From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Jan  3 08:28:26 2005
From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:28:26 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
Message-ID: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114F9A3@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>

Years ago there was a guy in British Columbia that made small two
cylinder tractors as winter projects.

He would use a Subaru flat 4 which is water cooled and horizontally
opposed.  He'd cut off half the engine and end up with a nice sounding 2
cylinder engine.  He brought them to the Lynden show for a few years.

Maybe someone else in the NW remembers seeing them and knows more about
them.

I'm sure I've got some old photographs somewhere of them, but that was
pre digital cameras so finding those photos might be difficult.

George

Ps..  I think one of the tractors he made was a 1/2 scale Waterloo Boy
using half a Subaru engine. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Ron Frost, Kersey, PA
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:27 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Did they ever make?
> 
> Humm, Good idea Ron. I'll think on that one. Thanks Ron
> 
> rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> Hi Ron. 
> I have seen this done before by taking a JD LUC or similar 
> power unit and laying it on it's side. The oil pick up has to 
> be moved but it seemed to work well.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 03:36:20 -0800 (PST) "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA"
> writes:
> > Yep, they did, and that's what I'm looking for except a small one. 
> > Say about half the size of one in a B or H. What I want it 
> for is, I'm 
> > building a half scale B . It will use 16" rear tires and is 
> about 5" 
> > long. Just half the size of a B.
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From landlord at buckeyenet.net  Mon Jan  3 09:31:20 2005
From: landlord at buckeyenet.net (Donald Shahan)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:31:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sideshaft Monday
References: <200501030530.j035UMiC049793@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<002701c4f189$40037b00$f884dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <003401c4f1ba$198fc4c0$6c278304@nostrife>

I got the name & # of  this company from a local printing company.  Kano
Laboratories, 1000 E. Thompson Ln., Nashville, TN 37211.  The phone number
is (615) 833-4101. I talked to a guy named John and was able to order a
gallon of Kroil by phone.  I think this & a cold weather snap together did
the trick. I was banging on the piston with a railroad tie hanging from the
rafters.  My very own Christmas present when that thing came loose.  Been
trying to do this off & on since May.  Are you having the same problem?

Don
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Sideshaft Monday



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  3 09:42:53 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:42:53 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Neat Engine Photo on Ebay
Message-ID: <BAY103-F197BB5E130FE249CF6322BC8900@phx.gbl>

Thought some of you would enjoy seeing this old photo I ran across on Ebay.  
Any ideas on a manufacturer?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14279&item=6143306474&rd=1

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Jan  3 09:54:51 2005
From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:54:51 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Neat Engine Photo on Ebay
Message-ID: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114F9E0@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>

My guess is Fairbanks-Morse.

George 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Luke Tonneberger
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:43 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Neat Engine Photo on Ebay
> 
> Thought some of you would enjoy seeing this old photo I ran 
> across on Ebay.  
> Any ideas on a manufacturer?
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14279&i
> tem=6143306474&rd=1
> 
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
> 
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From jfgrant at triton.net  Mon Jan  3 09:48:27 2005
From: jfgrant at triton.net (jfgrant)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:48:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <00dc01c4f19f$bf380470$78b8973f@D74XKD21>
	<200501031006200328.22BDA38B@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <000e01c4f1bc$6f7830f0$bed445d1@jgrant>

Spencer & List Members.
 At the risk of being labeled a "Grouch" I would say that we really need to 
think about Spencer's motion. Traditionally we have supported local needs 
and while I know there are tremendous needs resulting from the Tsunami, the 
needs in local areas have not gone away.
 I fear that many if not most of the local needs will be passed over or 
forgotten in light of the new need.
 We as a Nation are already contributing much $$$ which is fine and great 
but we as a small organization and other small groups are what fund many of 
the local needs and the Government does not fund these worthwhile small 
charities.
Just My Thoughts. I will support what ever the group decides.
  Respectfully,  John Grant
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 10:06 AM
Subject: [AT] Charity auction


>I am back in town from the funeral, and will be posting some information on
> the auction a little later on this afternoon.   I the mean time, I wanted
> to post a couple of things:
>
> I  make the motion that all proceeds from both the Portland Summer auction
> and this Charity auction go to the Tsunami victims relief.   The need is 
> is
> tremendous and the news I am getting from a neighbor who has family in Sri
> Lanka is heart breaking.   There are areas where food and water are nearly
> non-existent and starvation and water borne diseases are starting to, and
> will continue to, increase the death toll.  They need help immediately.
>
> Payments should be made to:
>
> Old Iron Auction Escrow Account
>
> and then mailed to
>
> Spencer Yost
> 3160 MacBrandon Ln.
> Pfafftown, NC 27040
>
> PS:  I can't believe everyone is going to let me have those World Famous
> Blue Handled Fence Pliers for just $125.    What a steal!
>
> Spencer Yost
> Owner, ATIS
> Plow the Net!
> http://www.atis.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> 



From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Jan  3 10:41:18 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:41:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
Message-ID: <20050103.134118.868.3.jlb94@juno.com>

I agree completely with John.



Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
\/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jan  3 11:20:07 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:20:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Water Cooled Maytag
In-Reply-To: <41C4B9A7.10302@scrtc.com>
References: <41C4B9A7.10302@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <41D99AE7.5000105@imc-group.com>

Tommy,
WOW a $735 Maytag! Did you learn anything about this water cooled Maytag 
since posting this link a few weeks ago?
Curt

Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> I don't know much about Maytag engines but here is one that I've never 
> seen before.  This is a water cooled Maytag.  Did Maytag make this or 
> was the cylinder an aftermarket item that was placed on a Maytag frame?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3861476816&rd=1 
>
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Jan  3 11:38:43 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:38:43 +0100
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <00dc01c4f19f$bf380470$78b8973f@D74XKD21><200501031006200328.22BDA38B@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<000e01c4f1bc$6f7830f0$bed445d1@jgrant>
Message-ID: <000901c4f1cb$d5a0d940$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

As a list member from the other side of the pond, I donated over
the last years a $1000.00 for the charity auctions.
A while ago there was the same trouble about WHO got the money,
is that the reason why there're so little people paticipating in this last
auction? Only a lousy $700.00 this time.
Where're all the big spenders you see laughing and sipping all day at 
Portland?

Disappointed,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl




> Spencer & List Members.
>  At the risk of being labeled a "Grouch" I would say that we really need to 
> think about Spencer's motion. Traditionally we have supported local needs 
> and while I know there are tremendous needs resulting from the Tsunami, the 
> needs in local areas have not gone away.
>  I fear that many if not most of the local needs will be passed over or 
> forgotten in light of the new need.
>  We as a Nation are already contributing much $$$ which is fine and great 
> but we as a small organization and other small groups are what fund many of 
> the local needs and the Government does not fund these worthwhile small 
> charities.
> Just My Thoughts. I will support what ever the group decides.
>   Respectfully,  John Grant




From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Mon Jan  3 11:37:30 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:37:30 +0000
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <20050103.134118.868.3.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20050103.134118.868.3.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <tl7jt05ob48mplpfenivrah38g3427qemg@4ax.com>

On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:41:18 -0500, you wrote:

>I agree completely with John.
>
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 

I think that as long as the money is channelled through a well-known
organisation so that we know it gets to where it will do the most good, then
Spencer's idea is a sound one.

Peter




From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Mon Jan  3 11:45:42 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:45:42 +0000
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <000901c4f1cb$d5a0d940$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
References: <00dc01c4f19f$bf380470$78b8973f@D74XKD21><200501031006200328.22BDA38B@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<000e01c4f1bc$6f7830f0$bed445d1@jgrant>
	<000901c4f1cb$d5a0d940$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <h08jt01enr40fpnr2vcuckac42nrrvilkj@4ax.com>

On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:38:43 +0100, you wrote:

>As a list member from the other side of the pond, I donated over
>the last years a $1000.00 for the charity auctions.
>A while ago there was the same trouble about WHO got the money,
>is that the reason why there're so little people paticipating in this last
>auction? Only a lousy $700.00 this time.
>Where're all the big spenders you see laughing and sipping all day at 
>Portland?
>
>Disappointed,
>John Hammink

John:

I think that we should not be too harsh on what has or has not happened in the
auction. We cannot expect everyone to contribute every year, and there have been
some very good years before, so one 'less than normal' year should not cause a
problem.

We were working this year right over Xmas apart from Xmas Day itself, so had
little time to get anything organised to sell or to look and buy.

We have had successes in the past and will do so again. I am sure that the Lists
as a whole will put up a very good show at Portland to make up for this Xmas.

Peter




From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Mon Jan  3 12:12:23 2005
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:12:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <00dc01c4f19f$bf380470$78b8973f@D74XKD21><200501031006200328.22BDA38B@heavyiron.atis.net><000e01c4f1bc$6f7830f0$bed445d1@jgrant>
	<000901c4f1cb$d5a0d940$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <0b6c01c4f1d0$8beec870$0301a8c0@ALEC>

John,
 I was going to say something funny but I had better wait and think my reply
through before responding.
I do agree that the # this yr is dissapointing but your comments are
hurtful, not helpful. I will explain later when I can get the emotion s in
check, Take Care,
Alec J. Stevens
Investment Specialist
80 Leighton Road, Suite C
Falmouth, ME 04105
(800)842-6669
(207)797-5169
(207)797-2819
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction


> As a list member from the other side of the pond, I donated over
> the last years a $1000.00 for the charity auctions.
> A while ago there was the same trouble about WHO got the money,
> is that the reason why there're so little people paticipating in this last
> auction? Only a lousy $700.00 this time.
> Where're all the big spenders you see laughing and sipping all day at
> Portland?
>
> Disappointed,
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>
>
>
>
> > Spencer & List Members.
> >  At the risk of being labeled a "Grouch" I would say that we really need
to
> > think about Spencer's motion. Traditionally we have supported local
needs
> > and while I know there are tremendous needs resulting from the Tsunami,
the
> > needs in local areas have not gone away.
> >  I fear that many if not most of the local needs will be passed over or
> > forgotten in light of the new need.
> >  We as a Nation are already contributing much $$$ which is fine and
great
> > but we as a small organization and other small groups are what fund many
of
> > the local needs and the Government does not fund these worthwhile small
> > charities.
> > Just My Thoughts. I will support what ever the group decides.
> >   Respectfully,  John Grant
>
>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jan  3 12:56:52 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:56:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Water Cooled Maytag
In-Reply-To: <41D99AE7.5000105@imc-group.com>
References: <41C4B9A7.10302@scrtc.com> <41D99AE7.5000105@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <41D9B194.5080902@scrtc.com>

Curt,

    I didn't learn much about it.  I had a couple of folks contact me 
and said they had seen them before but its still a new one on me.  I'll 
admit that I haven't done much research into the Maytags and haven't 
particularly sought them out as shows.  But, I've been to a lot of shows 
over the last 32 years and hadn't  seen one until this one showed up on 
ebay.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Tommy,
> WOW a $735 Maytag! Did you learn anything about this water cooled 
> Maytag since posting this link a few weeks ago?
> Curt
>
> Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
>> I don't know much about Maytag engines but here is one that I've 
>> never seen before.  This is a water cooled Maytag.  Did Maytag make 
>> this or was the cylinder an aftermarket item that was placed on a 
>> Maytag frame?
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3861476816&rd=1 
>>
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  3 13:33:38 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:33:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
In-Reply-To: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114F9A3@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
Message-ID: <20050103213338.12372.qmail@web14108.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the input George. It sure would be easier and probably better to use half a engine rather than to turn one sideways. I didn't even know Subrau built a flat engine. One of the old VW bugs would work too, I'd think.
Ron

George Best <George_Best at adp.com> wrote:
Years ago there was a guy in British Columbia that made small two
cylinder tractors as winter projects.

He would use a Subaru flat 4 which is water cooled and horizontally
opposed. He'd cut off half the engine and end up with a nice sounding 2
cylinder engine. He brought them to the Lynden show for a few years.

Maybe someone else in the NW remembers seeing them and knows more about
them.

I'm sure I've got some old photographs somewhere of them, but that was
pre digital cameras so finding those photos might be difficult.

George

Ps.. I think one of the tractors he made was a 1/2 scale Waterloo Boy
using half a Subaru engine. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Ron Frost, Kersey, PA
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:27 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Did they ever make?
> 
> Humm, Good idea Ron. I'll think on that one. Thanks Ron
> 
> rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> Hi Ron. 
> I have seen this done before by taking a JD LUC or similar 
> power unit and laying it on it's side. The oil pick up has to 
> be moved but it seemed to work well.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 03:36:20 -0800 (PST) "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA"
> writes:
> > Yep, they did, and that's what I'm looking for except a small one. 
> > Say about half the size of one in a B or H. What I want it 
> for is, I'm 
> > building a half scale B . It will use 16" rear tires and is 
> about 5" 
> > long. Just half the size of a B.
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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Mon Jan  3 14:01:25 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 22:01:25 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Correct Oiler
References: <41D80FA7.351D41@insulate.co.uk>
	<000b01c4f128$995fe140$2185dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <41D9C0B5.74C4C6AE@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Edd

Thanks very much for this excellent information.
The reason for my interest is that when I went to a mate's New Year Crank Up,
one of the other guys there had a F-M Z with a lovely European wineglass oiler.
He really wanted the correct oiler, and said he'd be willing to do a swap if I
can find the right one.  Now I know what I'm looking for ....

Thanks!

Jim

edd payne wrote:

> Hi Jim.They used a Michigan Lubricator or a Essex.They had a 1.75" glass and
> a 1/4" pipe female thread and screwed onto a male thread on the pipe into
> the cylinder..They didn't use a checkball or a breather they had a small
> breather hole in the side bellow the bottom sight glass.Hope you can follow
> my rambling's

--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk




From guitronics at comcast.net  Mon Jan  3 14:07:01 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:07:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Neat Engine Photo on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F197BB5E130FE249CF6322BC8900@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F197BB5E130FE249CF6322BC8900@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41D9C205.8030601@comcast.net>

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Thought some of you would enjoy seeing this old photo I ran across on 
> Ebay.  Any ideas on a manufacturer?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14279&item=6143306474&rd=1 
>
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
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>
My guess it's a prototype Belsaw, with the "Run Flat" tire option; 
(compressed air and rubber tires, and tubes and good glue were hard to 
come by back then...WAY too much trouble).

Looks like it is (was) powered by an  early hand-assembled 'P-Type', 60 
degree, steam; Wankel. These were lubricated by 'wick' oiling at the 
bottom of the piston and crank with mineral oil.

The mineral oil was mixed into the boiler water for the upper cylinder.


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  3 14:39:38 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:39:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <200501031006200328.22BDA38B@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <20050103223938.27338.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com>

Spencer and list folks,
 
When I spend money on the charity auction I always look forward to hearing that a portion of the money went to the ALS Foundation.
 
The very scale of the Tsunami disaster is terrible. The need is so great. No amount of money can make it go away, but even though our country is sending help in other ways I agree with you that we should direct the money there.
 
Also,,,,  Spencer, Talk to the seller and see if the auction for the Famous, World Traveled, Blue Handled Fence Pliers can be extended until the 18th.  Then if folks leave any of my proxy that at risk right now I would love to keep them in Northern Lower Michigan. 8>))
 
Alan Bowen

Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:
I am back in town from the funeral, and will be posting some information on
the auction a little later on this afternoon. I the mean time, I wanted
to post a couple of things:

I make the motion that all proceeds from both the Portland Summer auction
and this Charity auction go to the Tsunami victims relief. The need is is
tremendous and the news I am getting from a neighbor who has family in Sri
Lanka is heart breaking. There are areas where food and water are nearly
non-existent and starvation and water borne diseases are starting to, and
will continue to, increase the death toll. They need help immediately.

Payments should be made to:

Old Iron Auction Escrow Account

and then mailed to 

Spencer Yost
3160 MacBrandon Ln.
Pfafftown, NC 27040

PS: I can't believe everyone is going to let me have those World Famous
Blue Handled Fence Pliers for just $125. What a steal!

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net

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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan  3 14:51:36 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:51:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
References: <000d01c4efa8$d8471da0$9c680b42@gnarmstrong><20050101113621.43346.qmail@web14107.mail.yahoo.com><n54dt0d7glnv13qkv9hl3llp0stto44emd@4ax.com>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20050101090150.02844f10@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <029201c4f1e6$c85b1140$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>


  The flywheels are not counterbalanced but the crankshaft is.  The
> engine appears to run very smooth but fact that each flywheel weighs about
> one ton and the engine is solidly bolted to a large concrete pier might
> have something to do with it.

When Hensarling was running his 4 Cyl Y on a lowboy , the front bumper on
the Freightliner would move up and down about a foot
when  he chopped the throttle  .Someone Ohio way ended up with it . Anybody
seen it ?

chuck



From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Jan  3 15:46:30 2005
From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:46:30 -0800
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
Message-ID: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>

I agree with John.

While the tsunami damage is tremendous and has the attention of the
whole world, we shouldn't forget the groups that have received funds
from us in the past. Some of the groups like the Tod engine project
don't have the benefit of countries trying to out do each other in their
amount of giving.

There aren't other organizations donating money to them and cutting them
off doesn't seem right to me.

We all have plenty of opportunities to donate to the various tsunami
relief organizations. Hijacking this years donations and redirecting
them to the tsunami aid isn't the only way to help.

The charity auction has already suffered this year by lack of items
being listed and buyers. (I know I'm guilty this year, I've donated in
the past and have bought in the past but just couldn't get excited about
it this year) Changing the recipient of the donations to a world cause,
is kind of getting away from what I thought the intent of the charity
auction was.

George
Add me to the grouch list ;-)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jfgrant
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:48 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group; 
> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
> 
> Spencer & List Members.
>  At the risk of being labeled a "Grouch" I would say that we 
> really need to think about Spencer's motion. Traditionally we 
> have supported local needs and while I know there are 
> tremendous needs resulting from the Tsunami, the needs in 
> local areas have not gone away.
>  I fear that many if not most of the local needs will be 
> passed over or forgotten in light of the new need.
>  We as a Nation are already contributing much $$$ which is 
> fine and great but we as a small organization and other small 
> groups are what fund many of the local needs and the 
> Government does not fund these worthwhile small charities.
> Just My Thoughts. I will support what ever the group decides.
>   Respectfully,  John Grant



From guitronics at comcast.net  Mon Jan  3 16:18:04 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:18:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
Message-ID: <41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net>

George Best wrote:

>I agree with John.
>
>While the tsunami damage is tremendous and has the attention of the
>whole world, we shouldn't forget the groups that have received funds
>from us in the past. Some of the groups like the Tod engine project
>don't have the benefit of countries trying to out do each other in their
>amount of giving.
>
>There aren't other organizations donating money to them and cutting them
>off doesn't seem right to me.
>
>We all have plenty of opportunities to donate to the various tsunami
>relief organizations. Hijacking this years donations and redirecting
>them to the tsunami aid isn't the only way to help.
>
>The charity auction has already suffered this year by lack of items
>being listed and buyers. (I know I'm guilty this year, I've donated in
>the past and have bought in the past but just couldn't get excited about
>it this year) Changing the recipient of the donations to a world cause,
>is kind of getting away from what I thought the intent of the charity
>auction was.
>
>George
>Add me to the grouch list ;-)
>
>
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jfgrant
>>Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:48 AM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group; 
>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
>>
>>Spencer & List Members.
>> At the risk of being labeled a "Grouch" I would say that we 
>>really need to think about Spencer's motion. Traditionally we 
>>have supported local needs and while I know there are 
>>tremendous needs resulting from the Tsunami, the needs in 
>>local areas have not gone away.
>> I fear that many if not most of the local needs will be 
>>passed over or forgotten in light of the new need.
>> We as a Nation are already contributing much $$$ which is 
>>fine and great but we as a small organization and other small 
>>groups are what fund many of the local needs and the 
>>Government does not fund these worthwhile small charities.
>>Just My Thoughts. I will support what ever the group decides.
>>  Respectfully,  John Grant
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>  
>
My $0.02... Where was the world when 9/11 hit US? Dancing in the 
streets. No help.What about the Forest fires during the drought before 
2004? No help. How about the hurricanes in Florida this last year? No 
help. Floods in the south this year? No help.War on terror? A little 
help, but mostly a slap in the face. When did any other Country help the 
US? They must have, at some point.....No,they didn't help US, we went to 
war for THEM!  

Tsunami....yeah, a tragedy,a real disaster.OK, Japan kicked in 20 Mil, 
that was nice....How much is China giving? Who? What? ....and Russia? 
Faghettabottit.


From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Mon Jan  3 17:40:35 2005
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:40:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
	<41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000e01c4f1fe$630b7920$3af7a518@SkipBetty>

Japan aid is at $500,000

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "lightningrod" <guitronics at comcast.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction


> George Best wrote:
> 
>>I agree with John.
>>
>>While the tsunami damage is tremendous and has the attention of the
>>whole world, we shouldn't forget the groups that have received funds
>>from us in the past. Some of the groups like the Tod engine project
>>don't have the benefit of countries trying to out do each other in their
>>amount of giving.
>>
>>There aren't other organizations donating money to them and cutting them
>>off doesn't seem right to me.
>>
>>We all have plenty of opportunities to donate to the various tsunami
>>relief organizations. Hijacking this years donations and redirecting
>>them to the tsunami aid isn't the only way to help.
>>
>>The charity auction has already suffered this year by lack of items
>>being listed and buyers. (I know I'm guilty this year, I've donated in
>>the past and have bought in the past but just couldn't get excited about
>>it this year) Changing the recipient of the donations to a world cause,
>>is kind of getting away from what I thought the intent of the charity
>>auction was.
>>
>>George
>>Add me to the grouch list ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
>>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jfgrant
>>>Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:48 AM
>>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group; 
>>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
>>>
>>>Spencer & List Members.
>>> At the risk of being labeled a "Grouch" I would say that we 
>>>really need to think about Spencer's motion. Traditionally we 
>>>have supported local needs and while I know there are 
>>>tremendous needs resulting from the Tsunami, the needs in 
>>>local areas have not gone away.
>>> I fear that many if not most of the local needs will be 
>>>passed over or forgotten in light of the new need.
>>> We as a Nation are already contributing much $$$ which is 
>>>fine and great but we as a small organization and other small 
>>>groups are what fund many of the local needs and the 
>>>Government does not fund these worthwhile small charities.
>>>Just My Thoughts. I will support what ever the group decides.
>>>  Respectfully,  John Grant
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>  
>>
> My $0.02... Where was the world when 9/11 hit US? Dancing in the 
> streets. No help.What about the Forest fires during the drought before 
> 2004? No help. How about the hurricanes in Florida this last year? No 
> help. Floods in the south this year? No help.War on terror? A little 
> help, but mostly a slap in the face. When did any other Country help the 
> US? They must have, at some point.....No,they didn't help US, we went to 
> war for THEM!  
> 
> Tsunami....yeah, a tragedy,a real disaster.OK, Japan kicked in 20 Mil, 
> that was nice....How much is China giving? Who? What? ....and Russia? 
> Faghettabottit.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Mon Jan  3 17:58:13 2005
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:58:13 +0800
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
Message-ID: <41D9F835.8000307@optusnet.com.au>

George Best wrote:

>I agree with John.
>
>While the tsunami damage is tremendous and has the attention of the
>whole world, (snipped) don't have the benefit of countries trying to out do each other in their
>amount of giving.
>  
>
George, I am appalled by your comments "countries trying to out do each 
other" etc.

Please assure us that this is just your opinion and not the general 
feeling in your country?

Jack Watson
Perth, Western Australia.




From Vivas1993 at aol.com  Mon Jan  3 20:54:30 2005
From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:54:30 EST
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
Message-ID: <1f2.3d1aa2f.2f0b7b86@aol.com>

Hi Jack,
 No, that is not the opinion of most folks here in the US. 
 If that subject is brought up at all, it's because that's about all you hear 
most major news reporters talking about. A lot of them talk more about what 
country is giving the most or least, than the disaster.
 A lot of banks, and grocery stores in our area have set up places to make 
donations to the disaster relief fund.
 Regards,
 Dwight Vivas
 Matoaca, VA.


From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Mon Jan  3 23:06:19 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:06:19 +0000
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net>
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
	<41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <dtfkt05iunh4cjufld5m7kooee05ipuad8@4ax.com>

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:18:04 -0500, you wrote:


>My $0.02... Where was the world when 9/11 hit US? Dancing in the 
>streets. No help.What about the Forest fires during the drought before 
>2004? No help. How about the hurricanes in Florida this last year? No 
>help. Floods in the south this year? No help.War on terror? A little 
>help, but mostly a slap in the face. When did any other Country help the 
>US? They must have, at some point.....No,they didn't help US, we went to 
>war for THEM!  
>
>Tsunami....yeah, a tragedy,a real disaster.OK, Japan kicked in 20 Mil, 
>that was nice....How much is China giving? Who? What? ....and Russia? 
>Faghettabottit.

Politicising the problem won't help anyone, and by the way, a lot of countries
including the UK and Australia have helped and are still helping the US in Iraq
and other hotspots around the world.

We need to keep this thread focussed on the immediate question that Spencer
raised in his original post, not drift away into politics and unrelated matters.

Peter




From tberry6 at carolina.rr.com  Sun Jan  2 19:14:25 2005
From: tberry6 at carolina.rr.com (Tommy Berry)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:14:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engines on New Years
Message-ID: <000501c4f142$5799a880$6401a8c0@TBerry>

We hosted our second annual New Years day Crankup at my fathers farm
yesterday. The weather was spectacular, 69 degrees and sunny.That is rare
for North Carolina in January.We had 22 gas engines and 28 tractors
inattendence.also a model T and model A Ford.We fed 118 people for lunch and
everyone had a grand afternoon.There is nothing like spending a holiday with
all your engine friends. Tommy Berry



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Jan  4 03:28:28 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:28:28 +0800
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
	<41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00a201c4f250$a0917810$2ed03dca@ogborneuah38i3>

''lightning rod''.........interesting slant on things that you have !So
charity really begins at home with you . I am sure that you are on your own
with your bigoted comments and that your fellow country men would no doubt
shudder at your crassness and insular attitude.
A point to think about ...the US is the strongest power in the world, do you
really need help from lesser powers.But if you are inteligent enough to
perhaps inquire you will find that many countries helped and are still
helping your war on terror in Iraq. Countries like Portugal, Spain ,
Australia ,Japan ,UK, Italy ,many of the eastern block countries[ as you are
no doubt a very blinkered person you may have to get out an atlas to see
where these countries are] .As a reminder my country supplied fire fighters
for your fires in California.
Original Message -----
From: "lightningrod" <guitronics at comcast.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction


> George Best wrote:
>
> >I agree with John.
> >
> >While the tsunami damage is tremendous and has the attention of the
> >whole world, we shouldn't forget the groups that have received funds
> >from us in the past. Some of the groups like the Tod engine project
> >don't have the benefit of countries trying to out do each other in their
> >amount of giving.
> >
> >There aren't other organizations donating money to them and cutting them
> >off doesn't seem right to me.
> >
> >We all have plenty of opportunities to donate to the various tsunami
> >relief organizations. Hijacking this years donations and redirecting
> >them to the tsunami aid isn't the only way to help.
> >
> >The charity auction has already suffered this year by lack of items
> >being listed and buyers. (I know I'm guilty this year, I've donated in
> >the past and have bought in the past but just couldn't get excited about
> >it this year) Changing the recipient of the donations to a world cause,
> >is kind of getting away from what I thought the intent of the charity
> >auction was.
> >
> >George
> >Add me to the grouch list ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jfgrant
> >>Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:48 AM
> >>To: Antique tractor email discussion group;
> >>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
> >>
> >>Spencer & List Members.
> >> At the risk of being labeled a "Grouch" I would say that we
> >>really need to think about Spencer's motion. Traditionally we
> >>have supported local needs and while I know there are
> >>tremendous needs resulting from the Tsunami, the needs in
> >>local areas have not gone away.
> >> I fear that many if not most of the local needs will be
> >>passed over or forgotten in light of the new need.
> >> We as a Nation are already contributing much $$$ which is
> >>fine and great but we as a small organization and other small
> >>groups are what fund many of the local needs and the
> >>Government does not fund these worthwhile small charities.
> >>Just My Thoughts. I will support what ever the group decides.
> >>  Respectfully,  John Grant
> >>
> >>
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >
> My $0.02... Where was the world when 9/11 hit US? Dancing in the
> streets. No help.What about the Forest fires during the drought before
> 2004? No help. How about the hurricanes in Florida this last year? No
> help. Floods in the south this year? No help.War on terror? A little
> help, but mostly a slap in the face. When did any other Country help the
> US? They must have, at some point.....No,they didn't help US, we went to
> war for THEM!
>
> Tsunami....yeah, a tragedy,a real disaster.OK, Japan kicked in 20 Mil,
> that was nice....How much is China giving? Who? What? ....and Russia?
> Faghettabottit.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>






From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Tue Jan  4 06:37:48 2005
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:37:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <1f2.3d1aa2f.2f0b7b86@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0bee01c4f26a$fa57cdd0$0301a8c0@ALEC>

I believe the best way to handle the issue of sending the SEL charity $$$ to
Sri Lanka or wherever is to have a special request fund from the SEL and
each of us kick in Say $5.00. That would be a blessing for the them and
allow us to keep the other  supported charities intact.

Alec J. Stevens
Investment Specialist
80 Leighton Road, Suite C
Falmouth, ME 04105
(800)842-6669
(207)797-5169
(207)797-2819
----- Original Message -----
From: <Vivas1993 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction


> Hi Jack,
>  No, that is not the opinion of most folks here in the US.
>  If that subject is brought up at all, it's because that's about all you
hear
> most major news reporters talking about. A lot of them talk more about
what
> country is giving the most or least, than the disaster.
>  A lot of banks, and grocery stores in our area have set up places to make
> donations to the disaster relief fund.
>  Regards,
>  Dwight Vivas
>  Matoaca, VA.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Jan  4 07:23:07 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:23:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV173834AB3FAF715F1A55E7BB910@phx.gbl>

I'd like to vote for keeping it at home.  Tod Engine, Florida flywheelers 
sounds good.

"Headed for the grouch list"

RickinMt. 


From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jan  4 07:45:24 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 10:45:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV173834AB3FAF715F1A55E7BB910@phx.gbl>
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
	<BAY3-DAV173834AB3FAF715F1A55E7BB910@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41DABA14.5020104@imc-group.com>

Lets remember the Internal Fire Museum in England too.....
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


Richard Strobel wrote:

>I'd like to vote for keeping it at home.  Tod Engine, Florida flywheelers 
>sounds good.
>
>"Headed for the grouch list"
>
>RickinMt. 
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Jan  4 09:01:12 2005
From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:01:12 -0800
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
Message-ID: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FBC0@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>

Great idea Alec!

Keep the charity auction for the groups we've supported in the past or
related to the hobby.
I'll donate $20 towards a SEL/ATIS Tsunami fund.
I'll even increase that amount if it looks like others are giving more
than me ;-)

George

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Alec Stevens
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 6:38 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
> 
> I believe the best way to handle the issue of sending the SEL 
> charity $$$ to Sri Lanka or wherever is to have a special 
> request fund from the SEL and each of us kick in Say $5.00. 
> That would be a blessing for the them and allow us to keep 
> the other  supported charities intact.
> 
> Alec J. Stevens



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Jan  4 09:06:19 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:06:19 -0700
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
	<BAY3-DAV173834AB3FAF715F1A55E7BB910@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV99213D496E22B23A91D26BB910@phx.gbl>

Let me clarify.  I mean the old iron home..the one without borders.

And I'd support a separate fund.

Thanks
RickinMt.




> I'd like to vote for keeping it at home.  > 


From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Tue Jan  4 10:32:33 2005
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:32:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FBC0@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
Message-ID: <0c7101c4f28b$c4c35c90$0301a8c0@ALEC>

George you ole mines bigger than yours kind of guy !!!!!
 I like that ;-)
To me its the only fair way because if its done Spencers way, whats the
point in having a list if its dictated by 1 person, No offense Spencer, but
at the end of each year. you do use your position to make a donation to
whomever you choose and this wouldnt be any different if you did that again.
With ownership there are some priviledges !!!!! Please do not handle this
any differently and I believe we can come up with other ( more than 700) $$$
like we are suggesting.
Alec J. Stevens
Investment Specialist
80 Leighton Road, Suite C
Falmouth, ME 04105
(800)842-6669
(207)797-5169
(207)797-2819
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Best" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 12:01 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction


> Great idea Alec!
>
> Keep the charity auction for the groups we've supported in the past or
> related to the hobby.
> I'll donate $20 towards a SEL/ATIS Tsunami fund.
> I'll even increase that amount if it looks like others are giving more
> than me ;-)
>
> George
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> > Alec Stevens
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 6:38 AM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
> >
> > I believe the best way to handle the issue of sending the SEL
> > charity $$$ to Sri Lanka or wherever is to have a special
> > request fund from the SEL and each of us kick in Say $5.00.
> > That would be a blessing for the them and allow us to keep
> > the other  supported charities intact.
> >
> > Alec J. Stevens
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jan  4 00:30:31 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:30:31 +1100
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
	<41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000401c4f298$7fae59e0$19111bd3@athlon>

We had a rundown on the donations from the Muslim middle East mobs on the
radio today. They gave 20 times their donations to THE FAMILIES of the
SUICIDE BOMBERS!!!
I am not going into details but I am sure it is on the net somewhere if you
want to go hunting.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

> My $0.02... Where was the world when 9/11 hit US? Dancing in the
> streets. No help.What about the Forest fires during the drought before
> 2004? No help. How about the hurricanes in Florida this last year? No
> help. Floods in the south this year? No help.War on terror? A little
> help, but mostly a slap in the face. When did any other Country help the
> US? They must have, at some point.....No,they didn't help US, we went to
> war for THEM!
>
> Tsunami....yeah, a tragedy,a real disaster.OK, Japan kicked in 20 Mil,
> that was nice....How much is China giving? Who? What? ....and Russia?
> Faghettabottit.



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Tue Jan  4 15:45:46 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:45:46 +1100
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
	<41D9F835.8000307@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <000801c4f2b7$82fe3010$80c0ecdc@morris>

G'Day Jack

>>
> George, I am appalled by your comments "countries trying to out do each 
> other" etc.
>
> Please assure us that this is just your opinion and not the general 
> feeling in your country?
>
> Jack Watson

We are no better, now with states outdoing each other, Queensland has asked 
any other state to better its donation.

and the way the pollies are outdoing themselves to get up there in front of 
the media is sicking, why would the PM go there other than the publicity.

sorry about the political thread of this post

Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW  OZ 



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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Jan  4 17:09:31 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:09:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Rope maker on Charity Auction
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV196AF7A34B8089B1033665BB920@phx.gbl>

Howdy all;
  Pictures of the finished product are now at:

http://community.webshots.com/album/244468746rgpSdg

Good Luck;
RickinMt.
http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc


From rexhinz at chorus.net  Tue Jan  4 18:17:26 2005
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:17:26 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Leather Cutter on Charity Auction
Message-ID: <000f01c4f2cc$b57c9f30$1e86a5d8@mycomputer>

Hey Check out the Leather cutter on the Charity auction , you can cut down
your flat belts  or make Homemade Noodles :-)

Rex




From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  5 02:08:09 2005
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 02:08:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] More on Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, & browning iron 
Message-ID: <20050105100809.58155.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com>

RickinMontana: More on Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, & browning iron

Hi, Rick,

These processes etch the iron and will destroy finely finished
surfaces. When guns and other fine machines are treated using these
processes, all the finely finished parts are masked or otherwise
protected from the solutions used, especially gun barrel bores. What
John Culp said about the whole process pretty much sums it up. First,
when the blacking solution is mixed up the ammonia released is very
noxious to say the least and if the ingredients were mixed dry it would
be next to deadly. Not quite deadly, but severely damaging to the eyes
and respiratory tract. In fact, ammonia gas is so strong an agent that
it can be felt on contact on your skin, even on the thicker skin of
your hands. In this particular case since it is formed in an aqueous
solution, its release into the air is somewhat moderated by the
formation of semi-stable ammonium hydroxide solution, but there is
surely PLENTY enough released to cause all sorts of trouble
physiologically in contact with your skin, eyes, nose, and whatever
else. It messes up your blood chemistry big time if you manage somehow
to inhale some, although it does go right through your skin and if
exposed for a few minutes it would be enough to start causing other
problems besides skin burns. I hadn?t thought about the neighbors
calling the narcs about the smell, though, I did not know it was
connected that way. Out here in Farmland us farmer types occasionally
inject the ammonia gas right into the ground as fertilizer and in that
respect smelling it out here it would not raise any eyebrows at all.

I thought you wanted to Parkerize or blue/black the lathe knobs and
cranks, not the surfaces of the ways, gear teeth, etc. These processes
are totally out of the question for parts like that, especially if you
wanted to do the bed. You?d need to have a vat deep enough to dip the
lathe bed into while it simmered away at 300? F, and even a pot big
enough to cook a missionary or two in would not be big enough! And then
making the couple hundred gallons of solution would be a problem as
well. Sorry! For protecting your lathe parts a liberal painting with
regular old cheap motor oil with the current API rating that is
accepted for engine warranty protection by Ford, GM, and Chrysler - - -
woops, Daimler-Chrysler now, is all I use on my milling machine, drill
press, old lathe, etc. The anti-corrosion additives work great for
protecting bare steel and cast iron. As you have most likely observed,
freshly machined cast iron is about the most rust-prone iron alloy
there is, but good old modern motor oil with all of its corrosion
inhibitor additives is fine for even that. But the Parkerizing or
blacking is quite acceptable for knobs, levers, nuts, bolts, and all
other non-critical iron items on the lathe. Allen wrenches are
traditionally Parkerized or blacked, as well as the grade-8 hex socket
head bolts they are used for, and I think it looks really nice. Carpet
tacks, wallboard nails, and clock springs are traditionally blued,
although the springs become colored as a consequence of the heat
treating they receive, but it is bluing nonetheless and looks really
pretty. 

These surface treatments do have a place as part of our interests and
activities. A lot of early engine manufacturers used Parkerized or
blacked nuts and bolts for the head bolts, nuts, and studs, as well as
the main bearing and rod bearing cap bolts and nuts as a way to
indicate that they were high strength. Before the marking of bolt grade
became conventional by stamping the heads with the familiar rays or
?spokes?, this was one of the more common ways the engine manufacturers
kept mechanics from getting the good bolts and nuts mixed up with the
low strength ones during an overhaul. If the low strength bolts and
nuts got used for bearing caps or head bolts the results could be
disastrous! Caterpillar solved that problem by using nothing but high
strength bolts and nuts throughout a machine and stamped all of their
bolt heads with a ?C?, but they were alone in the respect of using
nothing but high strength bolts and nuts for better than half a
century. It would be interesting if someone had some information or
even did research on exactly which of the engine manufacturers used the
convention of Parkerizing or blacking head and bearing cap nuts and
bolts. If you want to try out the blacking solution you can make up a
quarter of a cup in an iron tin can like a Campbell?s soup can (not
aluminum!) using a tablespoon of lye and a like amount of potassium
nitrate (saltpeter) and gently simmer some nails or other small clean
iron objects for a few minutes in it. The black color and distinctive
luster are rather pretty. Quite beautiful, actually. I haven?t tried it
yet, but I have a good hunch that if you take some chlorine bleach and
set it outside to evaporate in a flat glass dish so it gets
concentrated that it will also work for blacking iron by simmering the
parts in it like with the lye/nitrate solution. Make sure any birds,
cats, or dogs don?t get a burnt mouth if you put some bleach out to dry
up.

By the way, speaking of lathes, I just bought a new one. I got a
Taiwan-made Jet model BD1360 lathe to replace the 65 year-old 12?x 40?
Atlas I have been using since 1959. All 1200 pounds of my new machine
are sitting out in the yard inside its shipping crate with a tarpaulin
over it just waiting for me to build a shop to put it in, and it is
absolutely killing me! I have the most interesting new toy sitting out
there that I waited twenty-nine years to buy and I can?t touch it! Oh,
Ouch! Until I get the shop built it might as well be sitting on the
moon because I don?t have any place whatsoever to put it so I can set
it up. Boy, talk about frustration! I am working on building the shop
between rain storms. I am building it from the roof down because as
soon as I get the roof done then the rain won?t stop me from working on
the rest of the shop building. Last April I bought a sawmill and I have
been sawing all my own lumber to build the shop with, so the cost and
availability of the lumber are no problem at the moment. I burn the
flitch and ?lizards? (scrap) that the sawmill produces in the pot belly
stove, too, so that has been keeping me warm this winter. 

Work and play safely!

Richard Allen



From guitronics at comcast.net  Wed Jan  5 03:48:23 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 06:48:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <dtfkt05iunh4cjufld5m7kooee05ipuad8@4ax.com>
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>	<41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net>
	<dtfkt05iunh4cjufld5m7kooee05ipuad8@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <41DBD407.1040408@comcast.net>

Peter A Forbes wrote:

>On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:18:04 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>  
>
>>My $0.02... Where was the world when 9/11 hit US? Dancing in the 
>>streets. No help.What about the Forest fires during the drought before 
>>2004? No help. How about the hurricanes in Florida this last year? No 
>>help. Floods in the south this year? No help.War on terror? A little 
>>help, but mostly a slap in the face. When did any other Country help the 
>>US? They must have, at some point.....No,they didn't help US, we went to 
>>war for THEM!  
>>
>>Tsunami....yeah, a tragedy,a real disaster.OK, Japan kicked in 20 Mil, 
>>that was nice....How much is China giving? Who? What? ....and Russia? 
>>Faghettabottit.
>>    
>>
>
>Politicising the problem won't help anyone, and by the way, a lot of countries
>including the UK and Australia have helped and are still helping the US in Iraq
>and other hotspots around the world.
>
>We need to keep this thread focussed on the immediate question that Spencer
>raised in his original post, not drift away into politics and unrelated matters.
>
>Peter
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>  
>
And I was under the impression that we  were  focused on the immediate 
question,Hmm.I don't see how  politics is unrelated to the question.In 
fact, it seems to me that what you call politics and unrelated 
matters(?) are opinions  that you do not share.


From guitronics at comcast.net  Wed Jan  5 03:59:37 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 06:59:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <000401c4f298$7fae59e0$19111bd3@athlon>
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>	<41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net>
	<000401c4f298$7fae59e0$19111bd3@athlon>
Message-ID: <41DBD6A9.1070301@comcast.net>

Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote:

>We had a rundown on the donations from the Muslim middle East mobs on the
>radio today. They gave 20 times their donations to THE FAMILIES of the
>SUICIDE BOMBERS!!!
>I am not going into details but I am sure it is on the net somewhere if you
>want to go hunting.
>Reg & Marg Ingold.
>Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>  
>
>>My $0.02... Where was the world when 9/11 hit US? Dancing in the
>>streets. No help.What about the Forest fires during the drought before
>>2004? No help. How about the hurricanes in Florida this last year? No
>>help. Floods in the south this year? No help.War on terror? A little
>>help, but mostly a slap in the face. When did any other Country help the
>>US? They must have, at some point.....No,they didn't help US, we went to
>>war for THEM!
>>
>>Tsunami....yeah, a tragedy,a real disaster.OK, Japan kicked in 20 Mil,
>>that was nice....How much is China giving? Who? What? ....and Russia?
>>Faghettabottit.
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>  
>
   Thank You. The Media doesn't want to publish the truth,when it 
doesn't fit the agenda.


From guitronics at comcast.net  Wed Jan  5 04:09:08 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:09:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <00a201c4f250$a0917810$2ed03dca@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>	<41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net>
	<00a201c4f250$a0917810$2ed03dca@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <41DBD8E4.9050801@comcast.net>

peter ogborne wrote:

>''lightning rod''.........interesting slant on things that you have !So
>charity really begins at home with you . I am sure that you are on your own
>with your bigoted comments and that your fellow country men would no doubt
>shudder at your crassness and insular attitude.
>A point to think about ...the US is the strongest power in the world, do you
>really need help from lesser powers.But if you are inteligent enough to
>perhaps inquire you will find that many countries helped and are still
>helping your war on terror in Iraq. Countries like Portugal, Spain ,
>Australia ,Japan ,UK, Italy ,many of the eastern block countries[ as you are
>no doubt a very blinkered person you may have to get out an atlas to see
>where these countries are] .As a reminder my country supplied fire fighters
>for your fires in California.
>Original Message -----
>From: "lightningrod" <guitronics at comcast.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 8:18 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
>
>
>  
>
>>George Best wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I agree with John.
>>>
>>>While the tsunami damage is tremendous and has the attention of the
>>>whole world, we shouldn't forget the groups that have received funds
>>>      
>>>
>>>from us in the past. Some of the groups like the Tod engine project
>>    
>>
>>>don't have the benefit of countries trying to out do each other in their
>>>amount of giving.
>>>
>>>There aren't other organizations donating money to them and cutting them
>>>off doesn't seem right to me.
>>>
>>>We all have plenty of opportunities to donate to the various tsunami
>>>relief organizations. Hijacking this years donations and redirecting
>>>them to the tsunami aid isn't the only way to help.
>>>
>>>The charity auction has already suffered this year by lack of items
>>>being listed and buyers. (I know I'm guilty this year, I've donated in
>>>the past and have bought in the past but just couldn't get excited about
>>>it this year) Changing the recipient of the donations to a world cause,
>>>is kind of getting away from what I thought the intent of the charity
>>>auction was.
>>>
>>>George
>>>Add me to the grouch list ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jfgrant
>>>>Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:48 AM
>>>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group;
>>>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
>>>>
>>>>Spencer & List Members.
>>>>At the risk of being labeled a "Grouch" I would say that we
>>>>really need to think about Spencer's motion. Traditionally we
>>>>have supported local needs and while I know there are
>>>>tremendous needs resulting from the Tsunami, the needs in
>>>>local areas have not gone away.
>>>>I fear that many if not most of the local needs will be
>>>>passed over or forgotten in light of the new need.
>>>>We as a Nation are already contributing much $$$ which is
>>>>fine and great but we as a small organization and other small
>>>>groups are what fund many of the local needs and the
>>>>Government does not fund these worthwhile small charities.
>>>>Just My Thoughts. I will support what ever the group decides.
>>>> Respectfully,  John Grant
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>My $0.02... Where was the world when 9/11 hit US? Dancing in the
>>streets. No help.What about the Forest fires during the drought before
>>2004? No help. How about the hurricanes in Florida this last year? No
>>help. Floods in the south this year? No help.War on terror? A little
>>help, but mostly a slap in the face. When did any other Country help the
>>US? They must have, at some point.....No,they didn't help US, we went to
>>war for THEM!
>>
>>Tsunami....yeah, a tragedy,a real disaster.OK, Japan kicked in 20 Mil,
>>that was nice....How much is China giving? Who? What? ....and Russia?
>>Faghettabottit.
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>  
>
OK,I'm a Bigot.Thanks for the firefighting help,I was making a general 
statement, not trying to get into a microcosm of the entire history of 
who helped who. IN GENERAL, the U.S.A. has done far more for other 
countries than was ever suggested. A natural disaster happens, the U.S. 
is expected to fix it, in fact; it is somehow our fault. I sure am happy 
I'm not as intelligent as you.


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Wed Jan  5 04:18:09 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:18:09 +0100
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com><41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net>
	<00a201c4f250$a0917810$2ed03dca@ogborneuah38i3>
	<41DBD8E4.9050801@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <001001c4f320$9e890760$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

I just remember, my Granny always told us to stay away
from lightning rods, they could be very mean.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Jan  5 04:20:42 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:20:42 +1100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Charity auction & politics
In-Reply-To: <41DBD8E4.9050801@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <200501051220.j05CKN8e052076@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

For those who are a little slow this is the ENGINE LIST. 
For politics go to the Slick List. 
I am sure someone can tell you how to get on there.

Patrick M Livingstone




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jan  5 04:35:36 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:35:36 +0800
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>	<41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net><00a201c4f250$a0917810$2ed03dca@ogborneuah38i3>
	<41DBD8E4.9050801@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <001001c4f323$1336a610$7ccd3dca@ogborneuah38i3>

Thats something lightningrod ........glad you see my point
----- Original Message -----
From: "lightningrod" <guitronics at comcast.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction


> peter ogborne wrote:
>
> >''lightning rod''.........interesting slant on things that you have !So
> >charity really begins at home with you . I am sure that you are on your
own
> >with your bigoted comments and that your fellow country men would no
doubt
> >shudder at your crassness and insular attitude.
> >A point to think about ...the US is the strongest power in the world, do
you
> >really need help from lesser powers.But if you are inteligent enough to
> >perhaps inquire you will find that many countries helped and are still
> >helping your war on terror in Iraq. Countries like Portugal, Spain ,
> >Australia ,Japan ,UK, Italy ,many of the eastern block countries[ as you
are
> >no doubt a very blinkered person you may have to get out an atlas to see
> >where these countries are] .As a reminder my country supplied fire
fighters
> >for your fires in California.
> >Original Message -----
> >From: "lightningrod" <guitronics at comcast.net>
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 8:18 AM
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>George Best wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I agree with John.
> >>>
> >>>While the tsunami damage is tremendous and has the attention of the
> >>>whole world, we shouldn't forget the groups that have received funds
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>from us in the past. Some of the groups like the Tod engine project
> >>
> >>
> >>>don't have the benefit of countries trying to out do each other in
their
> >>>amount of giving.
> >>>
> >>>There aren't other organizations donating money to them and cutting
them
> >>>off doesn't seem right to me.
> >>>
> >>>We all have plenty of opportunities to donate to the various tsunami
> >>>relief organizations. Hijacking this years donations and redirecting
> >>>them to the tsunami aid isn't the only way to help.
> >>>
> >>>The charity auction has already suffered this year by lack of items
> >>>being listed and buyers. (I know I'm guilty this year, I've donated in
> >>>the past and have bought in the past but just couldn't get excited
about
> >>>it this year) Changing the recipient of the donations to a world cause,
> >>>is kind of getting away from what I thought the intent of the charity
> >>>auction was.
> >>>
> >>>George
> >>>Add me to the grouch list ;-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jfgrant
> >>>>Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:48 AM
> >>>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group;
> >>>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>>Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
> >>>>
> >>>>Spencer & List Members.
> >>>>At the risk of being labeled a "Grouch" I would say that we
> >>>>really need to think about Spencer's motion. Traditionally we
> >>>>have supported local needs and while I know there are
> >>>>tremendous needs resulting from the Tsunami, the needs in
> >>>>local areas have not gone away.
> >>>>I fear that many if not most of the local needs will be
> >>>>passed over or forgotten in light of the new need.
> >>>>We as a Nation are already contributing much $$$ which is
> >>>>fine and great but we as a small organization and other small
> >>>>groups are what fund many of the local needs and the
> >>>>Government does not fund these worthwhile small charities.
> >>>>Just My Thoughts. I will support what ever the group decides.
> >>>> Respectfully,  John Grant
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>SEL mailing list
> >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>My $0.02... Where was the world when 9/11 hit US? Dancing in the
> >>streets. No help.What about the Forest fires during the drought before
> >>2004? No help. How about the hurricanes in Florida this last year? No
> >>help. Floods in the south this year? No help.War on terror? A little
> >>help, but mostly a slap in the face. When did any other Country help the
> >>US? They must have, at some point.....No,they didn't help US, we went to
> >>war for THEM!
> >>
> >>Tsunami....yeah, a tragedy,a real disaster.OK, Japan kicked in 20 Mil,
> >>that was nice....How much is China giving? Who? What? ....and Russia?
> >>Faghettabottit.
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>SEL mailing list
> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >
> OK,I'm a Bigot.Thanks for the firefighting help,I was making a general
> statement, not trying to get into a microcosm of the entire history of
> who helped who. IN GENERAL, the U.S.A. has done far more for other
> countries than was ever suggested. A natural disaster happens, the U.S.
> is expected to fix it, in fact; it is somehow our fault. I sure am happy
> I'm not as intelligent as you.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From richard.a.reed at navy.mil  Wed Jan  5 04:37:48 2005
From: richard.a.reed at navy.mil (Reed, Richard A.  USNUNK NAVAIR 104, 110)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:37:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules or Economy J mixer
Message-ID: <1137C4B4B937B0439C415898A09BEC2A27023C@NAEALTLCEX03VA.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil>

	
   Can anyone give me the dimensions for the top opening of the J mixer off of a Hercules or Economy engine. I only need the dimensions from engines 4hp and below. I 
am making models of the J mixers so I can cast some new ones. I already have the dimensions for engines 5hp and up. Also, I am in need of a clutch pulley for a 5hp Hercules if anyone has one they don't know what to do with . Thanks.

  Rich Reed
Southern Maryland


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jan  5 05:00:23 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:00:23 +0800
Subject: [SEL] old hand pump
Message-ID: <001901c4f326$89b62920$7ccd3dca@ogborneuah38i3>

I have an old hand pump .......'' monkey tail'' type . It has a fairly
indistinct cast name on it  MIDCON, a patent date of 1842. Sounds like it is
American made . Does anyone know anything about the make ?
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan  5 06:20:24 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:20:24 -0700
Subject: [SEL] More on Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, & browning iron
References: <20050105100809.58155.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV21485AEDD71D55AC97556CBB920@phx.gbl>

Howdy from 12 below..jus about right!

No, my intention was never to do the big castings.  Just the smaller items. 
The bigger ones I will blast, smooth out, and paint.  Knobs, cranks, etc. 
are what I was thinking of.  Rust is not a big problem here.  This lathe was 
in Seattle for a while so that explains a lot.

  Yesterday the carriage came off and somewhat disassembled it.  The manual 
traverse (X axis) gears are pretty much shot, but they still work.  Pretty 
much down to earth straight cut gears (3) and will be looking for 
replacements.  The other gears in the carriage look good..halfnut is a 
little tired.  I'll paint the carriage.  Lead screw is good.

  Ways are tolerable as are the other dovetail(?) ways and guides.  The 
headstock will not come apart soon..jus one item at a time.

  My biggest decision is how to mount what I'm going to call the belt 
mandrel.  I believe this lathe was intended for line shaft operation as the 
flat belt has to go directly above the headstock.  Some Seneca Falls "Stars" 
had provisions for mounting the motor and mandrel..mine doesn't.  I really 
don't want to mount the mandrel to the wall behind as I have a zillion wires 
thru the studs and don't want to screw up the tunes :-).  Possibly some sort 
of nice looking framework could be built and keep it freestanding.

Well, enuf for now.  Good luck on your shop Rich and THANKS MUCH!!!  I'll 
try to get some more pictures posted re: the lathe.

Hopefully "Working and playing safe"

RickinMt. 


From glenn.karch at gte.net  Wed Jan  5 07:26:45 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:26:45 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Hercules or Economy J mixer
References: <1137C4B4B937B0439C415898A09BEC2A27023C@NAEALTLCEX03VA.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil>
Message-ID: <002101c4f33a$f9e1e400$6529ea41@oemcomputer>

Rich.

The top opening on the 3 1/4" and 3 5/8" bore engines ( 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 HP)
is 3/4" pipe.  The top opening on the 4" and 4 1/4" bore engines ( 2 1/2 to
3 1/2 HP)  is 1" pipe.

Are you going to cast these mixers around a close pipe nipple like the
originals?

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Reed, Richard A. USNUNK NAVAIR 104, 110" <richard.a.reed at navy.mil>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 6:37 AM
Subject: [SEL] Hercules or Economy J mixer



   Can anyone give me the dimensions for the top opening of the J mixer off
of a Hercules or Economy engine. I only need the dimensions from engines 4hp
and below. I
am making models of the J mixers so I can cast some new ones. I already have
the dimensions for engines 5hp and up. Also, I am in need of a clutch pulley
for a 5hp Hercules if anyone has one they don't know what to do with .
Thanks.

  Rich Reed
Southern Maryland
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From BillMil357 at aol.com  Wed Jan  5 07:36:06 2005
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:36:06 EST
Subject: [SEL] old hand pump
Message-ID: <fa.9d9f3f1.2f0d6366@aol.com>

Hey Peter;
 
I also have a hand pump, I believe it was made to pump water up to a tank  in 
the attic then it would run back down to the kitchen sink, I can not find  a 
name on it any where, from the looks of the paint inside the pump and the  
gray cast iron, I don't believe this pump was ever used. I want to make a  
display  with the pump and my 1 3/4 S Hercules engine, see the three  pictures of 
the display in the middle of the page that I saw at the SIAM show  last June. I 
hope someone can tell me what make this pump is. See pictures  here,
 
_http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV_ 
(http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV) 
 
And here is the pumpjack that Paul Maples picked up for me at Portland last  
year,
 
_http://community.webshots.com/album/182220381JvIvgh_ 
(http://community.webshots.com/album/182220381JvIvgh) 
 
See ya,
 
Bill Miller
Memphis, TN.


From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jan  5 08:03:00 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:03:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules or Economy J mixer
In-Reply-To: <002101c4f33a$f9e1e400$6529ea41@oemcomputer>
References: <1137C4B4B937B0439C415898A09BEC2A27023C@NAEALTLCEX03VA.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil>
	<002101c4f33a$f9e1e400$6529ea41@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <41DC0FB4.3030704@imc-group.com>

Glenn,
Just curious, do you think Herc cast the J mixer around the close nipple 
just to save a drill and tap operation?
Is there any removing the nipple from the mixer? I've never tried, they 
always unscrew from the head very nicely.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Glenn A Karch wrote:

>Rich.
>
>The top opening on the 3 1/4" and 3 5/8" bore engines ( 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 HP)
>is 3/4" pipe.  The top opening on the 4" and 4 1/4" bore engines ( 2 1/2 to
>3 1/2 HP)  is 1" pipe.
>
>Are you going to cast these mixers around a close pipe nipple like the
>originals?
>
>Glenn
>
>Glenn Karch
>Haubstadt, IN, USA
>Hercules Historian
>  
>



From garyepps at fidnet.com  Wed Jan  5 08:00:31 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:00:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <41DBD8E4.9050801@comcast.net>
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>	<41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net>	<00a201c4f250$a0917810$2ed03dca@ogborneuah38i3>
	<41DBD8E4.9050801@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <41DC0F1F.1080606@fidnet.com>

Ok Guys, I think it's about time for everyone to go out to where you 
keep your engines and spend a couple of hours spinning the flywheels of 
your 'hardest to start' engine.  It sounds like it's time to burn up 
some of this 'cabin fever' energy, otherwise our Flame Mistress may be 
too busy.

Gary

lightningrod wrote:
> peter ogborne wrote:
> 
>> ''lightning rod''.........interesting slant on things that you have !So
>> charity really begins at home with you . I am sure that you are on 
>> your own
>> with your bigoted comments and that your fellow country men would no 
>> doubt
>> shudder at your crassness and insular attitude.
>> A point to think about ...the US is the strongest power in the world, 
>> do you
>> really need help from lesser powers.But if you are inteligent enough to
>> perhaps inquire you will find that many countries helped and are still
>> helping your war on terror in Iraq. Countries like Portugal, Spain ,
>> Australia ,Japan ,UK, Italy ,many of the eastern block countries[ as 
>> you are
>> no doubt a very blinkered person you may have to get out an atlas to see
>> where these countries are] .As a reminder my country supplied fire 
>> fighters
>> for your fires in California.
>> Original Message -----
>> From: "lightningrod" <guitronics at comcast.net>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 8:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>> George Best wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> I agree with John.
>>>>
>>>> While the tsunami damage is tremendous and has the attention of the
>>>> whole world, we shouldn't forget the groups that have received funds
>>>>     
>>>> from us in the past. Some of the groups like the Tod engine project
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> don't have the benefit of countries trying to out do each other in 
>>>> their
>>>> amount of giving.
>>>>
>>>> There aren't other organizations donating money to them and cutting 
>>>> them
>>>> off doesn't seem right to me.
>>>>
>>>> We all have plenty of opportunities to donate to the various tsunami
>>>> relief organizations. Hijacking this years donations and redirecting
>>>> them to the tsunami aid isn't the only way to help.
>>>>
>>>> The charity auction has already suffered this year by lack of items
>>>> being listed and buyers. (I know I'm guilty this year, I've donated in
>>>> the past and have bought in the past but just couldn't get excited 
>>>> about
>>>> it this year) Changing the recipient of the donations to a world cause,
>>>> is kind of getting away from what I thought the intent of the charity
>>>> auction was.
>>>>
>>>> George
>>>> Add me to the grouch list ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jfgrant
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:48 AM
>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group;
>>>>> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>> Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
>>>>>
>>>>> Spencer & List Members.
>>>>> At the risk of being labeled a "Grouch" I would say that we
>>>>> really need to think about Spencer's motion. Traditionally we
>>>>> have supported local needs and while I know there are
>>>>> tremendous needs resulting from the Tsunami, the needs in
>>>>> local areas have not gone away.
>>>>> I fear that many if not most of the local needs will be
>>>>> passed over or forgotten in light of the new need.
>>>>> We as a Nation are already contributing much $$$ which is
>>>>> fine and great but we as a small organization and other small
>>>>> groups are what fund many of the local needs and the
>>>>> Government does not fund these worthwhile small charities.
>>>>> Just My Thoughts. I will support what ever the group decides.
>>>>> Respectfully,  John Grant
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>       
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>
>>> My $0.02... Where was the world when 9/11 hit US? Dancing in the
>>> streets. No help.What about the Forest fires during the drought before
>>> 2004? No help. How about the hurricanes in Florida this last year? No
>>> help. Floods in the south this year? No help.War on terror? A little
>>> help, but mostly a slap in the face. When did any other Country help the
>>> US? They must have, at some point.....No,they didn't help US, we went to
>>> war for THEM!
>>>
>>> Tsunami....yeah, a tragedy,a real disaster.OK, Japan kicked in 20 Mil,
>>> that was nice....How much is China giving? Who? What? ....and Russia?
>>> Faghettabottit.
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>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>>
>>  
>>
> OK,I'm a Bigot.Thanks for the firefighting help,I was making a general 
> statement, not trying to get into a microcosm of the entire history of 
> who helped who. IN GENERAL, the U.S.A. has done far more for other 
> countries than was ever suggested. A natural disaster happens, the U.S. 
> is expected to fix it, in fact; it is somehow our fault. I sure am happy 
> I'm not as intelligent as you.
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> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From glenn.karch at gte.net  Wed Jan  5 10:40:29 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:40:29 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Hercules or Economy J mixer
References: <1137C4B4B937B0439C415898A09BEC2A27023C@NAEALTLCEX03VA.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil><002101c4f33a$f9e1e400$6529ea41@oemcomputer>
	<41DC0FB4.3030704@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c4f356$0a59a280$f229ea41@oemcomputer>

Curt,

I don't know for sure why Hercules cast the mixer around the pipe nipple.
Very early mixers had the threads cut directly onto the J mixer casting.  I
suppose there was a problem with breakage.  If you manage to unscrew or chip
out the nipple from the mixer, you will find that the threads were somewhat
melted together.  You can't screw a new nipple in because of the
distortion..  The only way to put a new nipple in is to grind the threads
down some untill it can be forced in along with JB weld.  It takes a little
trial and error preparation before you finally line it up and drive it home.
The hole isn't deep enough to use a pipe tap to clean up the threads unless
the tap is shortened accordingly and then it may still be tricky.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules or Economy J mixer


> Glenn,
> Just curious, do you think Herc cast the J mixer around the close nipple
> just to save a drill and tap operation?
> Is there any removing the nipple from the mixer? I've never tried, they
> always unscrew from the head very nicely.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> Glenn A Karch wrote:
>
> >Rich.
> >
> >The top opening on the 3 1/4" and 3 5/8" bore engines ( 1 1/2 to 2 1/2
HP)
> >is 3/4" pipe.  The top opening on the 4" and 4 1/4" bore engines ( 2 1/2
to
> >3 1/2 HP)  is 1" pipe.
> >
> >Are you going to cast these mixers around a close pipe nipple like the
> >originals?
> >
> >Glenn
> >
> >Glenn Karch
> >Haubstadt, IN, USA
> >Hercules Historian
> >
> >
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jan  5 15:14:59 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:14:59 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT  discussions
Message-ID: <002601c4f37c$66165390$5fce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>

I don't think that a bit of political discussion will hurt anyone ,nor does
it warrant an apology .Those of us who are mature enough to indulge no doubt
enjoy the mix of engines and OT . IN most cases it is ''Tongue in cheek'' If
it offends you then delete it . I would rather read something from our more
enlightened and humorous subscribers then to be told at some length as to
what happened last Monday ,nor do i need to be told to desist
Save us from the ''Politically Correct
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Jan  5 16:25:36 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:25:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] More on Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, & browning iron 
In-Reply-To: <20050105100809.58155.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050105100809.58155.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7C3BC656-5F79-11D9-B6DF-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> If you want to try out the blacking solution you can make up a
> quarter of a cup in an iron tin can like a Campbell?s soup can (not
> aluminum!) using a tablespoon of lye and a like amount of potassium
> nitrate (saltpeter)

And the easiest way to get potassium nitrate (which has been severely 
restricted in availability by the homeland-security types) is to go to 
a farm store and look for stump remover. Pure potassium nitrate, it 
fertilizes the bacteria and fungi that rot wood when you sprinkle it on 
a stump. Potassium or sodium nitrate is preferable to ammonium nitrate 
for the hot "bluing" because it produces little noxious fumes, but the 
first two have been restricted because of their utility in making black 
powder (and ammonium nitrate sales are more closely scrutinized these 
days, too.)

I think it's a sad day for America that our governments (states and 
localities are in on it, too) are widely restricting access to 
legitimate materials that MIGHT be misused by someone with criminal 
intent. (Either by legislative action, or simply by having detectives 
go around to stores to "enlist their voluntary cooperation in fighting 
the drug menace.") It's being done with pseudoephedrine, lye, muriatic 
acid, paint thinner, denatured alcohol, ammonia solutions stronger than 
the weak household ammonia, and anhydrous ammonia. All of these can be 
used in making "meth," but not everybody buying them is making "meth." 
But the current presumption is that you're an illegal drug manufacturer 
until proven otherwise.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Jan  5 16:28:44 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:28:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction, Now OT BS 
In-Reply-To: <41DBD8E4.9050801@comcast.net>
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>	<41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net>
	<00a201c4f250$a0917810$2ed03dca@ogborneuah38i3>
	<41DBD8E4.9050801@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <EC2AEEFC-5F79-11D9-B6DF-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> A natural disaster happens, the U.S. is expected to fix it, in fact; 
> it is somehow our fault.

In fact, I heard discussion on the radio today of a report that 
agitators in the Muslim world are spreading the "news" that the U.S. 
caused the tsunami as an attack on the Muslims of Indonesia and Sri 
Lanka.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Wed Jan  5 16:30:47 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:30:47 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT  discussions
References: <002601c4f37c$66165390$5fce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <000701c4f386$f767aab0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

Hi Peter, I like guys talking like you, because life is short
and you have to make the best of it.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



> I don't think that a bit of political discussion will hurt anyone ,nor does
> it warrant an apology .Those of us who are mature enough to indulge no doubt
> enjoy the mix of engines and OT . IN most cases it is ''Tongue in cheek'' If
> it offends you then delete it . I would rather read something from our more
> enlightened and humorous subscribers then to be told at some length as to
> what happened last Monday ,nor do i need to be told to desist
> Save us from the ''Politically Correct
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jan  5 13:12:42 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:12:42 +1100
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>	<41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net><00a201c4f250$a0917810$2ed03dca@ogborneuah38i3><41DBD8E4.9050801@comcast.net>
	<001001c4f323$1336a610$7ccd3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <00dd01c4f3d4$85fec860$36111bd3@athlon>

Yup! Definitely 'Cabin Fever"  !!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jan  6 02:00:25 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:00:25 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT  discussions
References: <002601c4f37c$66165390$5fce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <011901c4f3d6$8e5e1d60$36111bd3@athlon>

Hey Pete, the true heart of this list, and its ongoing success, it its
ability to allow the members to say what they feel about any subject.
IF it gets too much, then a member will say that it is time for 'Slick
Willie' to take over. This combination is what keeps us all together.
I am here for the 'long Haul" I keep quiet until I feel I need to butt in.
There are members who 'dont get on' but thats the score in any group.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message -----
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:14 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT discussions


> I don't think that a bit of political discussion will hurt anyone ,nor
does
> it warrant an apology .Those of us who are mature enough to indulge no
doubt
> enjoy the mix of engines and OT . IN most cases it is ''Tongue in cheek''
If
> it offends you then delete it . I would rather read something from our
more
> enlightened and humorous subscribers then to be told at some length as to
> what happened last Monday ,nor do i need to be told to desist
> Save us from the ''Politically Correct
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jan  6 02:06:28 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:06:28 +1100
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction, Now OT BS 
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>	<41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net><00a201c4f250$a0917810$2ed03dca@ogborneuah38i3><41DBD8E4.9050801@comcast.net>
	<EC2AEEFC-5F79-11D9-B6DF-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <013f01c4f3d7$6738a420$36111bd3@athlon>

It seems there are two Mosques still standing in the hit areas. I will bet
that there will be a religeous reason for this!!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction, Now OT BS


> > A natural disaster happens, the U.S. is expected to fix it, in fact;
> > it is somehow our fault.
>
> In fact, I heard discussion on the radio today of a report that
> agitators in the Muslim world are spreading the "news" that the U.S.
> caused the tsunami as an attack on the Muslims of Indonesia and Sri
> Lanka.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Jan  6 03:48:28 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:48:28 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT  discussions
References: <002601c4f37c$66165390$5fce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
	<011901c4f3d6$8e5e1d60$36111bd3@athlon>
Message-ID: <001401c4f3e5$a9da1a80$eece3dca@ogborneuah38i3>

Reg ...what you are saying is the gist of what i said !
----- Original Message -----
From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT discussions


> Hey Pete, the true heart of this list, and its ongoing success, it its
> ability to allow the members to say what they feel about any subject.
> IF it gets too much, then a member will say that it is time for 'Slick
> Willie' to take over. This combination is what keeps us all together.
> I am here for the 'long Haul" I keep quiet until I feel I need to butt in.
> There are members who 'dont get on' but thats the score in any group.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:14 AM
> Subject: [SEL] OT discussions
>
>
> > I don't think that a bit of political discussion will hurt anyone ,nor
> does
> > it warrant an apology .Those of us who are mature enough to indulge no
> doubt
> > enjoy the mix of engines and OT . IN most cases it is ''Tongue in
cheek''
> If
> > it offends you then delete it . I would rather read something from our
> more
> > enlightened and humorous subscribers then to be told at some length as
to
> > what happened last Monday ,nor do i need to be told to desist
> > Save us from the ''Politically Correct
> > Peter Ogborne
> > Little Grove ,Albany
> > West Australia
> > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> > jopeter at omninet.net.au
> >
> >
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From Aermoter at aol.com  Thu Jan  6 08:05:12 2005
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:05:12 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT future rust collectors
Message-ID: <103.582b2796.2f0ebbb8@aol.com>

With the gracious help of Dave Croft I have some pictures posted of Nikolai 
and Yuriy now.  They can be seen at

Webshots - Images of Nikolai & Yuriy

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From nick at holden1.net  Thu Jan  6 08:31:04 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:31:04 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] Niagra
Message-ID: <41DD67C8.000003.01732@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Niagra used to make sand screens in Leicester UK they may have re badged
engines to sell with the screens 
nick

From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Thu Jan  6 08:50:47 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:50:47 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT future rust collectors
References: <103.582b2796.2f0ebbb8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41DD6C67.51B92533@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Tim

This will help:
http://community.webshots.com/album/244820995oQhbJx

Great pics!

Dolly

Aermoter at aol.com wrote:

> With the gracious help of Dave Croft I have some pictures posted of Nikolai
> and Yuriy now.  They can be seen at
>
> Webshots - Images of Nikolai & Yuriy
>

--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk





From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jan  6 09:12:39 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:12:39 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: OT future rust collectors
References: <103.582b2796.2f0ebbb8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c4f412$ee6bb000$8c9f0952@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Aermoter at aol.com 
  To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com ; stationary-engine at oldengine.org 
  Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 4:05 PM
  Subject: OT future rust collectors


  With the gracious help of Dave Croft I have some pictures posted of Nikolai and Yuriy now.  They can be seen at

  Webshots - Images of Nikolai & Yuriy

  Tim Christoff
  Basehor, Ks.
  Aermoter at aol.com

  Something seems to have gone wrong!
  Try http://community.webshots.com/album/244820995oQhbJx
  for some more cheerful pictures than on the TV at the moment.

  Dave Croft
  Warrington
  England
  http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

From yostsw at atis.net  Thu Jan  6 09:19:42 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:19:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: [AT] Charity auction
References: <005701c4f1e9$2edbb080$553eaf3f@AlComputer>
	<002201c4f1ed$3428d190$1fac41d8@D684CG51>
	<001401c4f1f1$8eba1a70$5b186544@toshiba>
	<200501061219120953.32AA94A0@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200501061219420718.32AB08E6@heavyiron.atis.net>

I have some family business out of town again and will be gone till the end
of the weekend.   I want to give you folks something to think about while I
am gone:

Why is it that those people who have stalwart opinions on how the auction
money should be spent, aren't so adamant when when it is time to bid or
donate?   There is a large percentage of folks posting opinions on spending
the money who didn't donate or bid.  In the past, with just a few
exceptions, only people that participated posted opinions.  Call me naive
but I thought that would occur again this year.

I will leave the category open till the end of the weekend and see those of
you who know how to spend the money also know how to donate and bid.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jan  6 09:49:53 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:49:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT future rust collectors
References: <103.582b2796.2f0ebbb8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c4f418$210e6340$966e8645@carolina.rr.com>

Tim:

  Really enjoyed the pic.  Brought back memories of Portland when you were
in the process of adoption.  Congratulations on a job well done.  As we say
in the south, "ya dun a good thang".

Mike Royster
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Aermoter at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 11:05 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT future rust collectors


> With the gracious help of Dave Croft I have some pictures posted of
Nikolai
> and Yuriy now.  They can be seen at
>
> Webshots - Images of Nikolai & Yuriy
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor, Ks.
> Aermoter at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From Aermoter at aol.com  Thu Jan  6 09:53:19 2005
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:53:19 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT future rust collectors
Message-ID: <1c0.223f9eba.2f0ed50f@aol.com>

Thanks Helen.  I had bookmarked the spot and my dang computer didn't save the 
address as it would be needed to go to the site, it only saved it as the 
title which would get me there but no one else.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Jan  6 10:30:48 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:30:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT future rust collectors
In-Reply-To: <103.582b2796.2f0ebbb8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200501061830.j06IUtxM086286@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

> With the gracious help of Dave Croft I have some pictures 
> posted of Nikolai 
> and Yuriy now.  They can be seen at

Couple a good lookin' kids, pops!





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jan  6 11:03:49 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:03:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] OT future rust collectors
In-Reply-To: <41DD6C67.51B92533@insulate.co.uk>
References: <103.582b2796.2f0ebbb8@aol.com> <41DD6C67.51B92533@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501061402230.36589@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Tim,

Great pics indeed.  As far as they go....

WHERE are the pics of Nikolai & Yuriy with their ENGINES????
8-))))

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Jim French wrote:

> This will help:
> http://community.webshots.com/album/244820995oQhbJx
>
> Aermoter at aol.com wrote:
>
> > With the gracious help of Dave Croft I have some pictures posted of Nikolai
> > and Yuriy now.  They can be seen at
> > Webshots - Images of Nikolai & Yuriy


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jan  6 12:54:35 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:54:35 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT future rust collectors
References: <103.582b2796.2f0ebbb8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV6B473CE4B58AF09B9B799BB930@phx.gbl>

Good job Mom and Pops...great lookin' kids.

Take Care,
RickinMt.
PS: Nice T-shirt pops!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Aermoter at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:05 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT future rust collectors


> With the gracious help of Dave Croft I have some pictures posted of 
> Nikolai
> and Yuriy now.  They can be seen at
>
> Webshots - Images of Nikolai & Yuriy
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor, Ks.
> Aermoter at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From sndakitto at rbm.com.au  Thu Jan  6 13:12:56 2005
From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 07:42:56 +1030
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
Message-ID: <001501c4f434$967456a0$2c51fea9@SKitto>

How many from the list are coming to Naracoorte for the National Rally? I am
interested to know.

Steve

Steve and Denise Kitto
4 Fifth Ave
Naracoorte
South Australia
Ph 08 87621147

As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
Proverbs 27:19



From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jan  6 13:54:48 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:54:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
In-Reply-To: <001501c4f434$967456a0$2c51fea9@SKitto>
References: <001501c4f434$967456a0$2c51fea9@SKitto>
Message-ID: <41DDB3A8.6000303@imc-group.com>

Missy and I are planning to attend. REALLY looking forward to seeing 
ya'll in 9 weeks!
We need to join someone's club to have proper insurance coverage, correct?
Anyone want a couple of Yanks to join your club?
Can we be of assistance transporting anything from the US to AU aboard 
the plane?
Curt & Missy Holland
Gastonia, NC USA

Steven N Kitto wrote:

>How many from the list are coming to Naracoorte for the National Rally? I am
>interested to know.
>
>Steve
>
>Steve and Denise Kitto
>4 Fifth Ave
>Naracoorte
>South Australia
>Ph 08 87621147
>
>As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
>Proverbs 27:19
>
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jan  6 14:07:35 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:07:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Years Day Crankup 2005
Message-ID: <41DDB6A7.2050708@imc-group.com>

On Monday Tommy Berry mentioned the New Years Day Crankup at his dad's 
place. Here is a link to the pictures of the engines and tractors there:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2005/Thumbnails.html

The top half of the thumbnails link to engine photos, and for the closet 
and out-of-the-closet FATG's, the bottom half are to tractor photos. The 
vast majority of the tractors were driven to the Crankup from 
surrounding farms.

For the model lover's you'll find several photos of Doug Kelley's tandem 
double acting engine. As always his work is breathtaking!

Hope you enjoy the pictures.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jan  6 15:05:41 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:05:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Years Day Crankup 2005
References: <41DDB6A7.2050708@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <003801c4f444$3fc8e360$966e8645@carolina.rr.com>

Beautiful pics!!!!!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:07 PM
Subject: [SEL] New Years Day Crankup 2005


> On Monday Tommy Berry mentioned the New Years Day Crankup at his dad's
> place. Here is a link to the pictures of the engines and tractors there:
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2005/Thumbnails.html
>
> The top half of the thumbnails link to engine photos, and for the closet
> and out-of-the-closet FATG's, the bottom half are to tractor photos. The
> vast majority of the tractors were driven to the Crankup from
> surrounding farms.
>
> For the model lover's you'll find several photos of Doug Kelley's tandem
> double acting engine. As always his work is breathtaking!
>
> Hope you enjoy the pictures.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  6 15:16:35 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:16:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT future rust collectors
In-Reply-To: <1c0.223f9eba.2f0ed50f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050106231635.7837.qmail@web61302.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Tim,

Your original message was to both the SEL and Jim's list.
On this Yahoo addy I have the two lists separated into two folders as they come in.  The link you
provided worked great on Jim's list, but somehow as it came through the SEL system is got killed
and was just text.  I guess for the SEL a simple url addy is best,,,,

Thanks again for sharing!!!!   I love them already!!!!

Alan Bowen


--- Aermoter at aol.com wrote:

> Thanks Helen.  I had bookmarked the spot and my dang computer didn't save the 
> address as it would be needed to go to the site, it only saved it as the 
> title which would get me there but no one else.
> 
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor, Ks.
> Aermoter at aol.com
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



		
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From Aermoter at aol.com  Thu Jan  6 15:47:25 2005
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:47:25 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT future rust collectors
Message-ID: <1ab.2f5a0c15.2f0f280d@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/6/2005 1:44:47 PM Central Standard Time, 
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:
WHERE are the pics of Nikolai & Yuriy with their ENGINES????
8-))))
They haven't had much of a chance to play with any engines yet, that will 
come as soon as it warms up.  They do like the version of the one cyl. single 
fire engine's pretty well though, they can't get enough of it when I have one out 
but then again, look at where they came from.  You would see those everyday 
in Russia.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From Aermoter at aol.com  Thu Jan  6 15:49:28 2005
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:49:28 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT future rust collectors
Message-ID: <1d2.2e365f07.2f0f2888@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/6/2005 3:05:05 PM Central Standard Time, 
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:
PS: Nice T-shirt pops!
Yes, I got a lot of strange looks from people when I wore those.  Had a 
different one on almost everyday.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  6 16:26:12 2005
From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:26:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
In-Reply-To: <001501c4f434$967456a0$2c51fea9@SKitto>
Message-ID: <20050107002612.17256.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com>

I'll be there!  Am very much looking forward to attending my second National. :)

Steven N Kitto <sndakitto at rbm.com.au> wrote:How many from the list are coming to Naracoorte for the National Rally? I am
interested to know.

Steve

Steve and Denise Kitto
4 Fifth Ave
Naracoorte
South Australia
Ph 08 87621147

As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
Proverbs 27:19

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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Jan  6 16:57:20 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:57:20 +0800
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
References: <001501c4f434$967456a0$2c51fea9@SKitto>
Message-ID: <002d01c4f453$dd04d1c0$c2ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>

Steven..........Jo and I decided that if the price of fuel[diesel]did not
improve then we give the rally a miss.
We wish you all the success for the Rally ,we know the effort you and your
fellow club members would have put in .There are a few from WA going .It is
hard enough to get people to travel lesser distances to local shows.
Unfortunately this is the way things have gone with fuel prices .
Have a good Rally........
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven N Kitto" <sndakitto at rbm.com.au>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 5:12 AM
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ


> How many from the list are coming to Naracoorte for the National Rally? I
am
> interested to know.
>
> Steve
>
> Steve and Denise Kitto
> 4 Fifth Ave
> Naracoorte
> South Australia
> Ph 08 87621147
>
> As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
> Proverbs 27:19
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From avanti_64 at juno.com  Thu Jan  6 18:12:29 2005
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 02:12:29 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Galloway Cam Gear
Message-ID: <20050106.181311.20829.27800@webmail18.lax.untd.com>


Hi Guys, Does anyone need a cam gear for a 1 3/4 - 2 1/4 Galloway? I have one available. It has 60 teeth. I can send you a pic if you need one. Hit and Miss has one for $85.00. I will use you a lot better on this... Thanks, Joe Kelley

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From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jan  6 18:13:09 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:13:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Years Day Crankup 2005
Message-ID: <20050106.213025.1296.7.jlb94@juno.com>

Holly Cow Curt,

When I say I had our own little Engine Show - I mean it in jest.

I'm lucky to have 2 engines running.

No match to what you have there.

Great Pics.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From ozengine at yahoo.com.au  Thu Jan  6 18:37:37 2005
From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:37:37 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re:Old hand pump
Message-ID: <20050107023737.41683.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com>

G'day Peter

The "Midcon" name would refer to "Middleton,
Connecticut" or Mid'ton..." I would think. One of the
manufacturers is (er...was) W&B Douglas. It was
sometimes cast into the pump spout perhaps on the
other side of the Midcon bit. Maybe what you got is a
Douglas. These are nice units. Stick it in your garden
where you keep all your engines....but make it pump.
Should have a number on the body. No 0 was smallest No
9 biggest. If it has a fluted body that's r-e-a-l
nice.

Cheers

Graham in Oz




Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:00:23 +0800
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
Subject: [SEL] old hand pump
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID:
<001901c4f326$89b62920$7ccd3dca at ogborneuah38i3>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="Windows-1252"

I have an old hand pump .......'' monkey tail'' type .
It has a 
fairly
indistinct cast name on it  MIDCON, a patent date of
1842. Sounds 
like it is
American made . Does anyone know anything about the
make ?
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au


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From BillMil357 at aol.com  Thu Jan  6 19:24:39 2005
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:24:39 EST
Subject: [SEL] Re:Old hand pump
Message-ID: <db.1d5db516.2f0f5af7@aol.com>

Hi Graham;
 
Have you ever seen a pump like mine at this link, and might know who made  it,
 
_http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV_ 
(http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV) 
 
Thanks,
 
Bill Miller
Memphis, TN.
 


From glenn.karch at gte.net  Thu Jan  6 19:45:52 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:45:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need an address
Message-ID: <004d01c4f46b$6493c3a0$3b29ea41@oemcomputer>

Does anyone out there have Denis Rouleau's email address?

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Jan  6 20:18:35 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:18:35 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Need an address
In-Reply-To: <004d01c4f46b$6493c3a0$3b29ea41@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <200501070418.j074Ie9p018672@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


 
> Does anyone out there have Denis Rouleau's email address?

denis.rouleau at videotron.ca











From old_iron at msn.com  Thu Jan  6 22:13:08 2005
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:13:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT discussions
In-Reply-To: <002601c4f37c$66165390$5fce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <BAY4-F17125E5208869BF1AF546AE7940@phx.gbl>

AMEN!! Peter

Peg Pfeiffer

>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] OT  discussions
>Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:14:59 +0800
>
>I don't think that a bit of political discussion will hurt anyone ,nor does
>it warrant an apology .Those of us who are mature enough to indulge no 
>doubt
>enjoy the mix of engines and OT . IN most cases it is ''Tongue in cheek'' 
>If
>it offends you then delete it . I would rather read something from our more
>enlightened and humorous subscribers then to be told at some length as to
>what happened last Monday ,nor do i need to be told to desist
>Save us from the ''Politically Correct
>Peter Ogborne
>Little Grove ,Albany
>West Australia
>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jan  7 03:41:18 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:41:18 +1100
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
In-Reply-To: <001501c4f434$967456a0$2c51fea9@SKitto>
Message-ID: <200501071141.j07BfOO1060168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi Steve,
	Due to work commitments I will sadly not be taking an engine to the
National. I am going to try and at least get down for a look on that
weekend.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

----Original Message-----
How many from the list are coming to Naracoorte for the National Rally? I am
interested to know.

Steve

Steve and Denise Kitto




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jan  7 03:59:57 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:59:57 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives
Message-ID: <200501071200.j07C05Aq072835@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Today the No.1A Eclipse I bought in June 2003 finally came to life. I took
it up to Edd's place to pick up the magneto bracket and gears Edd had made
for the engine. These were missing when I bought the engine. Ron came along
for the ride as he always likes to be in on some engine fun.
We found that the engines timing was wrong and it was loosing compression.
The easiest way to adjust the exhaust timing is to split the engine and lift
the crank. I went even further and pulled the piston out as well. After a
good clean we found the gudgeon to be a little worn but useable but the big
end was a work of art. The bearing had been repoured at some point and to
say it looked a little wild would not be exaggerating.
We put the engine back together with the exhaust timing now correct but
found the compression was now all getting out the exhaust valve. Edd found
that the stem was bent and fixed it. He fitted the magneto off his Eclipse
(it was a known good magneto). We used a jar as a fuel tank as both the
tanks I have are full of s**t. I spun the engine with the crank handle with
Edd holding the intake valve and as soon as he let it go it fired. The
governor latched correctly and the little engine ran very sweetly and
surprisingly quietly. Edd had to keep the engine chocked as the jar was a
little low for the engine to lift the fuel effectively.
A good way to start the New Year with another engine brought back from the
dead :)
Here are some pics of it running:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/05010701.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/05010702.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/05010703.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/05010704.JPG


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jan  7 04:07:53 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 23:07:53 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A fun engine day in Oz
Message-ID: <200501071208.j07C7xc6077510@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Our trip today to pick up the magneto bracket for the 1A Eclipse and to get
it running was also to drop of the spare piston for the YC Stover to allow
for the new sleeve to be machined to suit.
Edd ran some of his lovely engines for Ron and I and, as ever, they ran very
nicely.
On the way home we visited Kerry Morris' place and found Cam Grundy there.
Cam was on his way home after picking up a fantastic new engine. I will
leave it to Cam to reveal what it is ;)
Kerry took us to his new shed to see the recently arrived Reid. I have now
seen my first oil field engine! It is an impressive beast and it will be
nice to see it running.
We traveled some 560km today to play engines. It will be hard to return to
work on Monday after ending my holiday with a bang. 

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From bethell1 at iinet.net.au  Fri Jan  7 04:37:37 2005
From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (jim bethell)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 23:37:37 +1100
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
References: 87411837
Message-ID: <001701c4f4b5$ac7197c0$47eccecb@default>

Steve, Have booked in and rearing to travel from sunny Mildura.  Come on
March.
Jim
Jim Bethell
Mildura "Gateway to the outback"
bethell1 at iinet.net..au
http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven N Kitto" <sndakitto at rbm.com.au>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 8:12 AM
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ


> How many from the list are coming to Naracoorte for the National Rally? I
am
> interested to know.
>
> Steve
>
> Steve and Denise Kitto
> 4 Fifth Ave
> Naracoorte
> South Australia
> Ph 08 87621147
>
> As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
> Proverbs 27:19
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jan  7 05:10:01 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 06:10:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Galloway Cam Gear
References: <20050106.181311.20829.27800@webmail18.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV60F6B74198679B2AA0BF4BB940@phx.gbl>

Joe, I need one for my 3hp.  Today I will count the teeth on the crank gear 
and get back to ya.

Thanks much!!
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <avanti_64 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 7:12 PM
Subject: [SEL] Galloway Cam Gear


>
> Hi Guys, Does anyone need a cam gear for a 1 3/4 - 2 1/4 Galloway? I have 
> one available. It has 60 teeth. I can send you a pic if you need one. Hit 
> and Miss has one for $85.00. I will use you a lot better on this... 
> Thanks, Joe Kelley
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Jan  7 08:06:40 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:06:40 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Models
Message-ID: <200501071606.j07G6gMW013801@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

 
Some guys like to work in cast iron.  Some like to work in brass or aluminum.
Others prefer different materials... 
 
http://home.clara.net/rogerpattenden/html/beam_engine.html
 
http://home.clara.net/rogerpattenden/
 

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com <http://www.rustyiron.com/>  

 


From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  7 12:09:52 2005
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 07:09:52 +1100
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
In-Reply-To: <001501c4f434$967456a0$2c51fea9@SKitto>
Message-ID: <BAY102-F18EE72FEBAD05F14A6BE41BA940@phx.gbl>

Hi Steven, wild horses wont keep me from attending, cant wait. Dave  from 
warrnambool. vic

>From: "Steven N Kitto" <sndakitto at rbm.com.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>CC: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
>Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 07:42:56 +1030
>
>How many from the list are coming to Naracoorte for the National Rally? I 
>am
>interested to know.
>
>Steve
>
>Steve and Denise Kitto
>4 Fifth Ave
>Naracoorte
>South Australia
>Ph 08 87621147
>
>As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
>Proverbs 27:19
>
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Fri Jan  7 12:53:02 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 07:53:02 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A fun engine day in Oz
References: <200501071208.j07C7xc6077510@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <001001c4f4fa$e25d8e80$8f85dccb@oemcomputer>

Sure was a great day!.Friends with engines,what else is there.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 11:07
Subject: [SEL] A fun engine day in Oz


> Our trip today to pick up the magneto bracket for the 1A Eclipse and to
get



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jan  7 16:08:48 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:08:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Galloway Cam Gear
References: <20050106.181311.20829.27800@webmail18.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV27FBBF0CC26B0F048B6273BB950@phx.gbl>

It looks like it will work on my 3hp "Bulldog style" Galloway, Joe.  Contact 
me off list if you prefer and we'll work something out.

later,
RickinMt.
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com




----- Original Message ----- 
From: <avanti_64 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 7:12 PM
Subject: [SEL] Galloway Cam Gear


>
> Hi Guys, Does anyone need a cam gear for a 1 3/4 - 2 1/4 Galloway? I have 
> one available. It has 60 teeth. I can send you a pic if you need one. Hit 
> and Miss has one for $85.00. I will use you a lot better on this... 
> Thanks, Joe Kelley
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
> Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand.
> Now includes pop-up blocker!
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan  7 16:11:53 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:11:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built
Message-ID: <00e301c4f516$aabe7270$230110ac@PAUL>

Hey Gang it seems as though things are a little slow on the List tonight so I thought I would share with you a few pictures of (2) Model Wooden Forklifts I just finished building for my two (6) Year Old Twin Grandsons Birthday this Saturday. No big deal but something a little different. I used Padauk, PurpleHeart, Oak, White Pine, and Birch to make them:

http://client.webshots.com/slideshow?ID=246390377&key=UWKzCC

Paul


From brianne at ultratune.com.au  Fri Jan  7 17:20:13 2005
From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:20:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin
Message-ID: <004a01c4f520$38b98f20$db54dccb@pcuser>

Hi Guys
Having now completed our IH3M restoration, our next project is the railway people mover which used to ferry workers along the Urangan Pier when large ships used to dock there.
This unit has a Wisconsin engine which drives a gearbox via a triple belt drive which then drives the axle via a chain. We removed the engine yesterday and all bolts came out ok.
Engine appears seized, will find out for sure next week.
Built by Ronaldsen and Tippet
Model is ABNLD
The serial No. is 101680 
3 X 3 1/4
2200rpm
It has a Lucas magneto SR1. Appears to have marking MKNA  39
Coil ignition
Remote driven generator (Chain drive)
Looking forward to eventually being able to drive it along the short stretch of railway track that we have at the Museum.
To view picture, go to :
http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html
then click on Machinery.
The nickname of the unit is "Radish" and it was donated to the Museum by Caltex when the rail lines were removed from the pier.
If anyone has any info ref these engines, age,history etc, we would be pleased to hear from you.
Brian Taylor
Hervey Bay Museum
QLD
Australia

From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Fri Jan  7 19:00:49 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:00:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
References: 87411837 <001701c4f4b5$ac7197c0$47eccecb@default>
Message-ID: <00c601c4f52e$4273c2c0$833354d2@cam>

Hi Jim
         How the hell are you, I am coming down but will be staying at the
caravan park, I have made plans to spend Friday night at the grounds to
catch up with you boys and a few beers, is Russell going, I just picked up
3hp hopper cooled Austral yesterday. Regards Cam
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jim bethell" <bethell1 at iinet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] National Rally in OZ


> Steve, Have booked in and rearing to travel from sunny Mildura.  Come on
> March.
> Jim
> Jim Bethell
> Mildura "Gateway to the outback"
> bethell1 at iinet.net..au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven N Kitto" <sndakitto at rbm.com.au>
> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 8:12 AM
> Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
>
>
> > How many from the list are coming to Naracoorte for the National Rally?
I
> am
> > interested to know.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > Steve and Denise Kitto
> > 4 Fifth Ave
> > Naracoorte
> > South Australia
> > Ph 08 87621147
> >
> > As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
> > Proverbs 27:19
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From froberts at dodo.com.au  Fri Jan  7 19:07:50 2005
From: froberts at dodo.com.au (Fred Roberts)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:07:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
References: <001501c4f434$967456a0$2c51fea9@SKitto>
Message-ID: <004701c4f52f$3deb10e0$7b85dccb@froberts>


Hello Steve .
Looking foreward to meeting you there,we are booked into the caravan park
with 2 other couples also from the list and in the company of Curt from the
10th and leave on the 14th.Really looking foreward to this rally as I
believe it is a beautiful part of the country.
Regards
Fred & Fay>



From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  7 19:20:30 2005
From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:20:30 +1100
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
In-Reply-To: <001501c4f434$967456a0$2c51fea9@SKitto>
Message-ID: <BAY13-F315624DE9C2C9143786802A3950@phx.gbl>


Will be there for sure Steve. Really looking forward to it.

Regards,
Lyndsay .




>From: "Steven N Kitto" <sndakitto at rbm.com.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>CC: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
>Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 07:42:56 +1030
>
>How many from the list are coming to Naracoorte for the National Rally? I 
>am
>interested to know.
>
>Steve
>
>Steve and Denise Kitto
>4 Fifth Ave
>Naracoorte
>South Australia
>Ph 08 87621147
>
>As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
>Proverbs 27:19
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Fri Jan  7 19:47:58 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:47:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives
References: <200501071200.j07C05Aq072835@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <012f01c4f534$d867c3c0$833354d2@cam>

Are you going to paint it or leave it in the raw.
       ps Good looking bloke that Edd Payne
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 10:59 PM
Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives


> Today the No.1A Eclipse I bought in June 2003 finally came to life. I took
> it up to Edd's place to pick up the magneto bracket and gears Edd had made
> for the engine. These were missing when I bought the engine. Ron came
along
> for the ride as he always likes to be in on some engine fun.
> We found that the engines timing was wrong and it was loosing compression.
> The easiest way to adjust the exhaust timing is to split the engine and
lift
> the crank. I went even further and pulled the piston out as well. After a
> good clean we found the gudgeon to be a little worn but useable but the
big
> end was a work of art. The bearing had been repoured at some point and to
> say it looked a little wild would not be exaggerating.
> We put the engine back together with the exhaust timing now correct but
> found the compression was now all getting out the exhaust valve. Edd found
> that the stem was bent and fixed it. He fitted the magneto off his Eclipse
> (it was a known good magneto). We used a jar as a fuel tank as both the
> tanks I have are full of s**t. I spun the engine with the crank handle
with
> Edd holding the intake valve and as soon as he let it go it fired. The
> governor latched correctly and the little engine ran very sweetly and
> surprisingly quietly. Edd had to keep the engine chocked as the jar was a
> little low for the engine to lift the fuel effectively.
> A good way to start the New Year with another engine brought back from the
> dead :)
> Here are some pics of it running:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/05010701.JPG
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/05010702.JPG
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/05010703.JPG
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/05010704.JPG
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From froberts at dodo.com.au  Fri Jan  7 19:41:03 2005
From: froberts at dodo.com.au (Fred Roberts)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:41:03 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A fun engine day in Oz
References: <200501071208.j07C7xc6077510@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<001001c4f4fa$e25d8e80$8f85dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <00b701c4f533$e131efe0$7b85dccb@froberts>


Hello Patrick
Thanks for the pics,well done on getting the Eeclipse running and Edd your
summary was very appropiate.
Regards
Fred



From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Fri Jan  7 20:03:53 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:03:53 +1100
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
References: <001501c4f434$967456a0$2c51fea9@SKitto>
Message-ID: <015c01c4f537$11e2d020$833354d2@cam>

Hi Steve I went the wrong way about letting you know with the other email so
I will do it again with this one. I will be there staying at one of the
Caravan Parks. Regards Cam
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven N Kitto" <sndakitto at rbm.com.au>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 8:12 AM
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ


> How many from the list are coming to Naracoorte for the National Rally? I
am
> interested to know.
>
> Steve
>
> Steve and Denise Kitto
> 4 Fifth Ave
> Naracoorte
> South Australia
> Ph 08 87621147
>
> As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
> Proverbs 27:19
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jan  7 20:25:44 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 23:25:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built
Message-ID: <20050107.234246.1288.7.jlb94@juno.com>

Verrrryy Nice PAul,

Around here, I would hear - - - "Someone has toooo much time on his
hands".

But - Then - - - I hear that anyway.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan  7 21:43:49 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 23:43:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built
References: <20050107.234246.1288.7.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c4f545$09fc6160$230110ac@PAUL>

Thanks Joe.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built


> Verrrryy Nice PAul,
> 
> Around here, I would hear - - - "Someone has toooo much time on his
> hands".
> 
> But - Then - - - I hear that anyway.
> 
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
> jlb94 at juno.com
> ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
> \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
> (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
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From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  7 20:39:16 2005
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:39:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine
Message-ID: <20050108043916.38276.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com>

I have been trying to find a small bench top size maypole-type braiding
machine run by a hand crank or fractional horsepower electric motor.
The so-called maypole braid is what is used for making shoe laces,
braided polypropylene utility rope, braided leather bolo neck ties,
police whistle neck lanyards, key ring lanyards, whips, and other such
items. The braid is round and hollow (shoelaces are flattened by
ironing them), and always composed of even numbers of flat or round
lacing braided under and over each other, not twisted as for rope.
Other examples are the braided steel wire reinforcing for high pressure
hydraulic hoses, the shielding braid on coaxial TV-VCR cable, garden
hose reinforcing, etc. I hope those are enough examples to get across
the idea of what kind of machine I am looking for. The commercial
machines are manufactured by Wardwell and sell for about as much as a
new car and are capable of making miles of braid per day, but I neither
need nor can afford one of those. I know the hand operated ones exist
because one of my childhood neighbors had one for braiding leather
bullwhips. I have done exhaustive Internet searches and have been
looking on eBay and other places for both new and antique machines for
several years and the results I get are rumors that the only places
where they regularly show up is at antique engine/equipment shows. If
anyone runs across the whereabouts of one of these elusive maypole/whip
braiding machines, please email me at:

linstrum55 at yahoo.com

Thanks!

Richard Allen




From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  7 20:44:35 2005
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:44:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Cutting Metric Threads on Adapted Inch System Lathes
Message-ID: <20050108044435.71448.qmail@web52708.mail.yahoo.com>

Cutting Metric Threads on Adapted Inch System Lathes
Cutting Odd-Numbered Fine Pitch Threads 

All lathes that are set up in the inch system of measurement that are
adapted for cutting metric threads have an inherent and rather
astounding flaw. With these lathes the standard procedures and
practices that work fine for cutting inch measurement threads will not
work at all when cutting metric threads. When cutting a metric thread
the carriage feed screw timing indicator will no longer indicate when
to engage the carriage feed half nut so that the cutter will follow the
thread once it is established. Thread cutting requires both exact
rotational and positional timing between the head spindle and the
carriage feed screw and when the metric thread adapter gears are
installed the thread timing pickup dial (thread chasing dial) lacks the
necessary gear ratio to show the positional timing aspect between these
two rotating parts. This means that when the carriage feed half nut is
released to stop the carriage motion after the first pass of the
cutting tool is made the positional timing between the head spindle and
carriage feed screw is lost. When the thread timing pickup dial (thread
chasing dial) that is turned by the carriage feed screw shows that it
is in time and ready to pick up the thread again for the subsequent
passes that are needed to complete cutting the thread, the positional
timing is in reality off and the second pass will not coincide with the
thread groove established by the first pass of the thread cutting tool.
This is caused by the gear ratio change gears that are needed to
convert from one inch of carriage travel to 0.3937 inches of carriage
travel. The gear pair used to generate this conversion ratio usually
has 127 and 50 teeth (or a multiple of this ratio), which gives the
exact and precise metric-to-inch ratio of 2.54 to 1. With these gears
the absolute minimum number of turns the head spindle has to make
before the carriage feed screw again comes into positional timing with
it is 127 turns. This is because 127 is a prime number, which means
that it is only divisible by itself and one. This consequently leads to
the great number of turns required before the positional timing comes
into alignment again. With thread pitches that are either a multiple or
fraction of one centimeter, the number of turns gets even greater
before it is in time once more. For a few of the finer pitched threads
the number of turns the head spindle has to make gets up around 22,225
turns before coming up to being timed once more and even at a head
spindle speed of 1000 rpm this takes over twenty-two minutes! Normally,
this timing problem is avoided by simply stopping the lathe, reversing
the head spindle rotation without disengaging any of the carriage feed
drive gears, and then running the lathe backwards until the lathe
carriage backs up to the starting point of the thread. This is where
some major problems come into play. Large capacitor-start induction
motors can only be started about once every five minutes on a
continuous basis because of heat buildup in the starting capacitor bank
and starting windings, and they will very quickly burn out if used this
way. Stopping the motor in order to reverse its direction and then
waiting for it to cool down before starting it again consequently leads
to a great deal of wasted time unless there is a direction reverser
gear and clutch on the motor so it does not have to be stopped, and
most lathes are not set up this way. The alternative to the reverse
gear and clutch is a variable speed reversible DC drive, but they are
not common, either. The carriage drive screw rotation reversing gears
cannot be used to back the carriage up, either, because if they are
disengaged then the timing is lost. Cutting threads on a lathe is time
consuming even with all of the added features that help to make it
easy, so with the additional time required to stop and back up the
lathe for cutting metric threads it becomes intolerable for repetitive
or production work, especially when cutting a long section of fine
threads. For example, it may take two minutes for the carriage to
traverse a long run of very fine threads, so it requires an additional
two minutes to run the lathe backwards to get the tool back to the
starting point. With a similar inch-measurement thread pitch it still
takes around two minutes to run the carriage forward, but it only takes
a few seconds to return the carriage by hand and then wait a short time
longer for the timing marks to line up again before making the next
cut. This disparity caused by running the lathe backwards makes cutting
metric threads take nearly twice as long as inch threads under the very
best of conditions, besides also wearing out the lathe by running it
backwards unnecessarily. There are two ways to remedy this, the first
is to get a lathe that is set up for metric measurement, which then
causes the same rotational timing and time consumption problems when
cutting inch threads. The second, and most practical solution, is to
reset the tool point to the correct timing position after disengaging
the carriage drive and moving the carriage to the starting position by
hand. The tool point timing position is very easily reset by using a
dial indicator in conjunction with the compound feed, which is set at
0? so its travel is parallel with the carriage travel and then is used
to move the cutting tool point back and forth the required small amount
so that it is lined up with the thread groove being machined. This can
be accomplished very easily by making temporary timing marks on the
chuck and an adjacent stationary structure with a felt tip pen. It may
be necessary to ?C? clamp a piece of cardboard (or like material such
as a piece of sheet metal, etc.) up close to the chuck in an out of the
way position to draw the stationary timing mark on with which to line
up the mark on the chuck. The steady rest or tailstock can be used to
mount the dial indicator on and the reading taken from the tool holder
or tool bit itself, whichever is most accessible. Before actually
drawing the alignment marks, the carriage has to be backed up slightly
outside of the thread starting position. The carriage feed half nut is
then engaged and the carriage driven up to the start of the thread by
turning the chuck by hand. This is to take all the slack out of the
gears and carriage feed, so be sure to initially back the carriage up
far enough to accomplish this. Draw the timing mark lines after the
carriage is driven up to the starting point. The tool should not
actually be into the cut, just close enough so that about half a turn
of the chuck will bring it into contact with the work piece. Next, zero
the dial indicator off of the tool bit or holder. Make the first cut
and then disengage both the carriage feed and lathe drive motor clutch.
Crank the carriage back into deep contact with the dial indicator,
being careful not to bottom it out or move its position. At this point
engage only the carriage feed half nut. You will probably need to
rotate the chuck by hand to turn the feed screw to get the nut to
close, so don?t force it. Line up the felt tip pen timing marks by
rotating the chuck in the direction it turns when cutting to get all
the slack out of the gears and drives, and then move the compound feed
so the tool bit or holder reads zero on the dial indicator. The tool
point is now at the thread starting point and you did not need to run
the lathe backwards to get there, or run it forwards for twenty minutes
to get the tool and work piece in time again for the next cut. For the
rough work of the first few cuts the tool can be lined up with the
thread by eye, but for the final cuts the dial indicator needs to be
used. With some practice a technique can be developed so the loss of
the 30? feed-in angle that the compound feed is normally provides can
be compensated for by estimating where the bottom of the final cut will
be and advancing the cut toward this point each time the depth is
increased. That way only half of the tool cutting edge will be in
contact with the work piece, preventing tool chatter from a ?V? shaped
chip, making for a smoother cut.

Another application for this technique is for cutting those
odd-numbered fine-pitch inch threads that also take a large number of
head spindle revolutions before the positional timing once again comes
into place for engaging the carriage feed half nut. Just follow the
same procedure as above for setting the cutting tool point to its
positional zero and a lot of time can be saved instead of standing idly
by while the lathe does nothing but slowly turn the carriage feed screw
timing indicator into engagement position.

These procedures are initially time consuming to set up and learn, but
once the method is understood it will save a great deal of time for
repetitive thread cutting.



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jan  7 23:15:51 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 18:15:51 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives
In-Reply-To: <012f01c4f534$d867c3c0$833354d2@cam>
Message-ID: <200501080715.j087FuT6090473@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi Cam,
	The 1A Eclipse will get a nice coat of F-M green as there is not any
evidence of paint left on the engine. I might even repaint my original No.1
as it is looking a little shabby since its last repaint 20 years ago.
I don't know what we can do about Edd. Maybe a coat of paint?  ;)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----
Are you going to paint it or leave it in the raw.
       ps Good looking bloke that Edd Payne
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia




From Peterwoodmore at aol.com  Sat Jan  8 01:56:55 2005
From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 04:56:55 EST
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
Message-ID: <a3.6a9cd98f.2f110867@aol.com>

I'll be there. taking 1 1/2 hp Challenge and 1 1/2 Olds

Woody
peterwoodmore at aol.com
27 Craig Av
Moorebank 2170
NSW
Australia


From Peterwoodmore at aol.com  Sat Jan  8 02:12:43 2005
From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 05:12:43 EST
Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives
Message-ID: <59.1e8d0f99.2f110c1b@aol.com>

Hey Patrick you will have to sand blast Edd before you apply the paint

Woody
peterwoodmore at aol.com
27 Craig Av
Moorebank 2170
NSW
Australia


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Jan  8 04:03:09 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 12:03:09 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re:Old hand pump
Message-ID: <010820051203.17108.7d58@mchsi.com>

Bill, nice job on restoring that old Pump.....those new leathers must of 
worked ok???
Curt Andree
> Hi Graham;
>  
> Have you ever seen a pump like mine at this link, and might know who made  it,
>  
> _http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV_ 
> (http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV) 
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Bill Miller
> Memphis, TN.
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From mmco at cox-internet.com  Sat Jan  8 04:50:00 2005
From: mmco at cox-internet.com (Bo Hinch)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 06:50:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built
References: <00e301c4f516$aabe7270$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <001801c4f580$910c7bf0$b0dbe244@machineryeqw95>

Hey there ole buddy Paul , Those are real neat . When you get the time , you 
could also make a pair for your old LEVERITE friend down south . They would 
sure look real nice sitting here in my office with all the other one of a 
kind collectables .

Bo Hinch

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From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
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Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 6:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built







From alanb2 at webtv.net  Sat Jan  8 05:02:22 2005
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:02:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NEW EMAIL
In-Reply-To: cgandree@mchsi.com's message of Sat, 08 Jan 2005 12:03:09 +0000
Message-ID: <20453-41DFD9DE-278@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net>

Hi Folks,
I already am getting the SEL on my new rustaholic777 at yahoo account so I
am signing off from here.   


Please send all off list emails to there.

Thanks

Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan
http://community.webtv.net/alanb2/ATISAuctionItems



From rwenig at telus.net  Thu Jan  6 18:28:33 2005
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:28:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Years Day Crankup 2005
In-Reply-To: <41DDB6A7.2050708@imc-group.com>
References: <41DDB6A7.2050708@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <41DDF3D1.5070406@telus.net>

Hello Curt,
	Great pictures. Is in the sequence 0082 + 0084-0088 Doug Kelley's 
tandem double acting engine?  Do you know anything about the prototype?

Rupert

Curt wrote:
> On Monday Tommy Berry mentioned the New Years Day Crankup at his dad's 
> place. Here is a link to the pictures of the engines and tractors there:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2005/Thumbnails.html 
> 
> 
> The top half of the thumbnails link to engine photos, and for the closet 
> and out-of-the-closet FATG's, the bottom half are to tractor photos. The 
> vast majority of the tractors were driven to the Crankup from 
> surrounding farms.
> 
> For the model lover's you'll find several photos of Doug Kelley's tandem 
> double acting engine. As always his work is breathtaking!
> 
> Hope you enjoy the pictures.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
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From BillMil357 at aol.com  Sat Jan  8 07:43:50 2005
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:43:50 EST
Subject: [SEL] Re:Old hand pump
Message-ID: <103.5852a311.2f1159b6@aol.com>

Hi Curt,
 
I guess I didn't explain it too well but the pump that is restored is not  my 
pump it is one that I saw at the SIAM show last year in Evansville, Indiana  
and I want to build me up a display a whole lot like that one. I have to head  
back to Evansville in the morning for my oldest brother that lives there died 
 last night, he was 84 years old. (Sad day a black rock)
 
See ya,
 
Bill Miller.
 
 


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  8 07:53:02 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 07:53:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
Message-ID: <20050108155302.1912.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>

Howdy Folks,

Is there a best choice book for learning to use my Seneca falls "Star" lathe?
It is like the one at the bottom of this page:

http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/index.html

A question right now,,,,
On the screwcutting gear box info tag,,,
What does Knob 48 OUT mean?
I don't know what knob it referrs to.
The other adjustments are easy.

Thanks a bunch,

Alan Bowen  rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
Williamsburg, Michigan


	
		
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jan  8 09:14:23 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:14:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin
References: <004a01c4f520$38b98f20$db54dccb@pcuser>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV21786F4BD74B3D09F87A24BB950@phx.gbl>

Here's some info on the Wisconsin, Brian:

http://www.asecc.com/data/wisconsin-models.html

At the bottom of that page click on "Manuals"  Doesn't look like the ABN is 
listed but it gives a place to click on and ask.

  Ebay has a lot of Wisconsin manuals periodically.

Hope this helps and good luck...neat machine!!!

RickinMt.


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From: "Brian Taylor" <brianne at ultratune.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 6:20 PM
Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin


Hi Guys
Having now completed our IH3M restoration, our next project is the railway 
people mover which used to ferry workers along the Urangan Pier when large 
ships used to dock there.
This unit has a Wisconsin engine which drives a gearbox via a triple belt 
drive which then drives the axle via a chain. We removed the engine 
yesterday and all bolts came out ok.
Engine appears seized, will find out for sure next week.
Built by Ronaldsen and Tippet
Model is ABNLD
The serial No. is 101680
3 X 3 1/4
2200rpm
It has a Lucas magneto SR1. Appears to have marking MKNA  39
Coil ignition
Remote driven generator (Chain drive)
Looking forward to eventually being able to drive it along the short stretch 
of railway track that we have at the Museum.
To view picture, go to :
http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html
then click on Machinery.
The nickname of the unit is "Radish" and it was donated to the Museum by 
Caltex when the rail lines were removed from the pier.
If anyone has any info ref these engines, age,history etc, we would be 
pleased to hear from you.
Brian Taylor
Hervey Bay Museum
QLD
Australia
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From galoway4 at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  8 09:03:47 2005
From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:03:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
References: <20050108155302.1912.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001701c4f5a4$0691b2f0$d5a89b18@jake>

Hello Alan

    Take a  Google trip and I am sure that you will find what you want. 
There is over 1000 listings for your Seneca falls lathe.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 9:53 AM
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??


> Howdy Folks,
>
> Is there a best choice book for learning to use my Seneca falls "Star" 
> lathe?
> It is like the one at the bottom of this page:
>
> http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/index.html
>
> A question right now,,,,
> On the screwcutting gear box info tag,,,
> What does Knob 48 OUT mean?
> I don't know what knob it referrs to.
> The other adjustments are easy.
>
> Thanks a bunch,
>
> Alan Bowen  rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> Williamsburg, Michigan
>
>
>
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  8 09:55:53 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 09:55:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
In-Reply-To: <20050108155302.1912.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050108175553.29085.qmail@web61310.mail.yahoo.com>

Boy howdy,,, did I mess up there,,,,

I went back downstairs and looked at the lathe again,

What I should have asked is,

What does STUD 48 OUT mean?
I don't know what STUD it refers to.

I know the knob has three holes to choose from.

Thanks, 
Alan


--- Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:

 Howdy Folks,
 
 Is there a best choice book for learning to use my Seneca falls "Star" lathe?
 It is like the one at the bottom of this page:
 

http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/index.html

 
 A question right now,,,,
 On the screwcutting gear box info tag,,,
 What does Knob 48 OUT mean?
 I don't know what knob it referrs to.
 The other adjustments are easy.
 
 Thanks a bunch,
 
 Alan Bowen  rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
 Williamsburg, Michigan

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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Sat Jan  8 10:28:24 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:28:24 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
References: <20050108175553.29085.qmail@web61310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008601c4f5af$d8f540d0$6ff93e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

I don't have any idea either what STUD 48 OUT means.  Seems to me the it
would be easy to put it all three positions and see what happens.  Try it at
low speed with the carriage well away from the spindle.  Pretty common thing
to do with machine tools that you are not completely familiar with.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??


> Boy howdy,,, did I mess up there,,,,
>
> I went back downstairs and looked at the lathe again,
>
> What I should have asked is,
>
> What does STUD 48 OUT mean?
> I don't know what STUD it refers to.
>
> I know the knob has three holes to choose from.
>
> Thanks,
> Alan




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jan  8 10:43:11 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:43:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
References: <20050108155302.1912.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV48CC1A4028F9C6B828748BB950@phx.gbl>

Possibly they're talking about the knob you pull out and then kick in the 
back gear..just a swag.

Rickinmt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 8:53 AM
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??


> Howdy Folks,
>
> Is there a best choice book for learning to use my Seneca falls "Star" 
> lathe?
> It is like the one at the bottom of this page:
>
> http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/index.html
>
> A question right now,,,,
> On the screwcutting gear box info tag,,,
> What does Knob 48 OUT mean?
> I don't know what knob it referrs to.
> The other adjustments are easy.
>
> Thanks a bunch,
>
> Alan Bowen  rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> Williamsburg, Michigan
>
>
>
>
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From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Sat Jan  8 10:51:04 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 18:51:04 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
In-Reply-To: <20050108175553.29085.qmail@web61310.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050108155302.1912.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>
	<20050108175553.29085.qmail@web61310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mpa0u0dq3bt200sckhnn5bkj426q6d3g0s@4ax.com>

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 09:55:53 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>Boy howdy,,, did I mess up there,,,,
>
>I went back downstairs and looked at the lathe again,
>
>What I should have asked is,
>
>What does STUD 48 OUT mean?
>I don't know what STUD it refers to.
>
>I know the knob has three holes to choose from.
>
>Thanks, 
>Alan

On some gear trains for screwcutting, you will have an extra gear(s) to give the
ratio or direction of the saddle drive. Stud48 sounds like it is part of the
geartrain which is removable and carries a gear or pair of gears.

Peter




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  8 11:45:54 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:45:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
In-Reply-To: <mpa0u0dq3bt200sckhnn5bkj426q6d3g0s@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <20050108194554.70601.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the input folks,

Peter,
This lathe has an enclosed gear box.  It ain't like the other ones with a door that opens up to
manualy change the gears.

Move one lever until it is below the colume that has the desired threads in it, then pull out a
knob and move it to one of three holes.

The link I gave to see a picture shows those two adjustments on the left side of the lathe.
Now if I can just figure out what Stud they are talking about,,,,,,

I just went down there again and I still don't see a stud to play with around the gear box.

????? Alan

--- Peter A Forbes <diesel at easynet.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 09:55:53 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
> 
> >Boy howdy,,, did I mess up there,,,,
> >
> >I went back downstairs and looked at the lathe again,
> >
> >What I should have asked is,
> >
> >What does STUD 48 OUT mean?
> >I don't know what STUD it refers to.
> >
> >I know the knob has three holes to choose from.
> >
> >Thanks, 
> >Alan
> 
> On some gear trains for screwcutting, you will have an extra gear(s) to give the
> ratio or direction of the saddle drive. Stud48 sounds like it is part of the
> geartrain which is removable and carries a gear or pair of gears.
> 
> Peter
> 
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From mmco at cox-internet.com  Sat Jan  8 11:50:24 2005
From: mmco at cox-internet.com (Bo Hinch)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:50:24 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin
References: <004a01c4f520$38b98f20$db54dccb@pcuser>
	<BAY3-DAV21786F4BD74B3D09F87A24BB950@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002901c4f5bb$4bb2b930$b0dbe244@machineryeqw95>

Don`t know if it helps but I have an ACN parts manuel I would be glad to 
copy for you .
I also have following manuels : AFN ,AGN - AHH -AEN- AENS - ACN - BKN - 
AGND - ADH -AE - AEH - AEHS and also starting & operating instructions issue 
# 310.
Bo Hinch

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Wisconsin


> Here's some info on the Wisconsin, Brian:
>
> http://www.asecc.com/data/wisconsin-models.html
>
> At the bottom of that page click on "Manuals"  Doesn't look like the ABN 
> is listed but it gives a place to click on and ask.
>
>  Ebay has a lot of Wisconsin manuals periodically.
>
> Hope this helps and good luck...neat machine!!!
>
> RickinMt.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brian Taylor" <brianne at ultratune.com.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 6:20 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin
>
>
> Hi Guys
> Having now completed our IH3M restoration, our next project is the railway 
> people mover which used to ferry workers along the Urangan Pier when large 
> ships used to dock there.
> This unit has a Wisconsin engine which drives a gearbox via a triple belt 
> drive which then drives the axle via a chain. We removed the engine 
> yesterday and all bolts came out ok.
> Engine appears seized, will find out for sure next week.
> Built by Ronaldsen and Tippet
> Model is ABNLD
> The serial No. is 101680
> 3 X 3 1/4
> 2200rpm
> It has a Lucas magneto SR1. Appears to have marking MKNA  39
> Coil ignition
> Remote driven generator (Chain drive)
> Looking forward to eventually being able to drive it along the short 
> stretch of railway track that we have at the Museum.
> To view picture, go to :
> http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html
> then click on Machinery.
> The nickname of the unit is "Radish" and it was donated to the Museum by 
> Caltex when the rail lines were removed from the pier.
> If anyone has any info ref these engines, age,history etc, we would be 
> pleased to hear from you.
> Brian Taylor
> Hervey Bay Museum
> QLD
> Australia
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jan  8 11:55:06 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:55:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
In-Reply-To: <20050108194554.70601.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050108194554.70601.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <318044E3-61AF-11D9-80AF-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

I used to be Stud, 48, but I had a birthday a while back and now I'm 
Stud, 49.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Sat Jan  8 12:12:32 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 20:12:32 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
In-Reply-To: <318044E3-61AF-11D9-80AF-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
References: <20050108194554.70601.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com>
	<318044E3-61AF-11D9-80AF-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <ukf0u09c8sk7qlrc7mekl8t5hu6mer8jkj@4ax.com>

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:55:06 -0500, you wrote:

>I used to be Stud, 48, but I had a birthday a while back and now I'm 
>Stud, 49.
>
>John Culp

A mere youngster.... :-))

Peter




From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jan  8 12:17:17 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 07:17:17 +1100
Subject: [SEL]  OT   Seneca Falls Lathe 
References: <20050108194554.70601.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com>
	<318044E3-61AF-11D9-80AF-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <002901c4f5bf$0d1364f0$7182ecdc@morris>



>I used to be Stud, 48, but I had a birthday a while back and now I'm 
> Stud, 49.

Love it, well said

But I have to ask Left Hand or Right Hand                  thread 8-))


Kerry


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From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Sat Jan  8 12:15:46 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 20:15:46 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
In-Reply-To: <20050108194554.70601.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mpa0u0dq3bt200sckhnn5bkj426q6d3g0s@4ax.com>
	<20050108194554.70601.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2pf0u01s2reqn5jtf454d6kv7c2bhclvrr@4ax.com>

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:45:54 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>Thanks for the input folks,
>
>Peter,
>This lathe has an enclosed gear box.  It ain't like the other ones with a door that opens up to
>manualy change the gears.
>
>Move one lever until it is below the colume that has the desired threads in it, then pull out a
>knob and move it to one of three holes.
>
>The link I gave to see a picture shows those two adjustments on the left side of the lathe.
>Now if I can just figure out what Stud they are talking about,,,,,,
>
>I just went down there again and I still don't see a stud to play with around the gear box.
>
>????? Alan

Have you got a label like:

http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/page8.html

Peter

The studs are mentioned there, including 48, which is what I was referring to.

If you haven't, I'll keep on looking.

Peter




From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Jan  8 12:48:13 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:48:13 EST
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built
Message-ID: <c.3bfbef65.2f11a10d@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/7/2005 7:15:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:

<< share with you a few pictures of (2) Model Wooden Forklifts I just 
finished  >>


Beautiful job Paul!  I will have to dig out my sons bulldozer and 
tractor/trailer to haul it on I built him many years ago for 2 Christmas's and take a 
picture.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sat Jan  8 13:25:19 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 08:25:19 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives
References: <200501080715.j087FuT6090473@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c4f5c8$8eaa3440$f985dccb@oemcomputer>

You are all such nice considerate blokes.Sure nice to have friends or with
friends like you who needs enemies.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 6:15
Subject: RE: [SEL] Another One Lives


> Hi Cam,
> The 1A Eclipse will get a nice coat of F-M green as there is not any
> evidence of paint left on the engine. I might even repaint my original
No.1
> as it is looking a little shabby since its last repaint 20 years ago.
> I don't know what we can do about Edd. Maybe a coat of paint?  ;)
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> -----Original Message-----
> Are you going to paint it or leave it in the raw.
>        ps Good looking bloke that Edd Payne
> Cam and Edwina Grundy
> Kariong
> Gosford   NSW
> Australia
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  8 14:03:25 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:03:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
In-Reply-To: <2pf0u01s2reqn5jtf454d6kv7c2bhclvrr@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <20050108220325.1992.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com>

No Peter,
That is an earlier lathe and it does not have the screw cutting gear box.
Mine has a patent date of Nov. 18, 1919.

The picture I refered to shows the info tag where mine is.  Right above that handle that has a lot
of different holes to go to. It is a completly different tag.  This puter fouled up while I was
searching so I took a break and unloaded my truck. It seems to be working better now.

Thank you much for all the effort you are putting into my problem.

Alan


--- Peter A Forbes <diesel at easynet.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:45:54 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
> 
> >Thanks for the input folks,
> >
> >Peter,
> >This lathe has an enclosed gear box.  It ain't like the other ones with a door that opens up to
> >manualy change the gears.
> >
> >Move one lever until it is below the colume that has the desired threads in it, then pull out a
> >knob and move it to one of three holes.
> >
> >The link I gave to see a picture shows those two adjustments on the left side of the lathe.
> >Now if I can just figure out what Stud they are talking about,,,,,,
> >
> >I just went down there again and I still don't see a stud to play with around the gear box.
> >
> >????? Alan
> 
> Have you got a label like:
> 
> http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/page8.html
> 
> Peter
> 
> The studs are mentioned there, including 48, which is what I was referring to.
> 
> If you haven't, I'll keep on looking.
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jan  8 14:31:50 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:31:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives
In-Reply-To: <001b01c4f5c8$8eaa3440$f985dccb@oemcomputer>
References: <200501080715.j087FuT6090473@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<001b01c4f5c8$8eaa3440$f985dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <1732EDDA-61C5-11D9-80AF-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

With friends like that, who needs enemas?

On Jan 8, 2005, at 4:25 PM, edd payne wrote:

> You are all such nice considerate blokes.Sure nice to have friends or 
> with
> friends like you who needs enemies.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  8 15:00:28 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:00:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Better Info
In-Reply-To: <20050108222506.10988.qmail@web61302.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050108230028.93376.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com>

OK, This puter IS working better now.

Here is a lathe like mine. 
 
http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/img5.gif

It has a drive system like this picture shows.
 
http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/img13.gif

 BUT, The handle for the manual carriage travel is a round wheel like a later one that is a Geared
Head Lathe.  I tried to show that one here too, but this puter kept fouling up again. Let's see if
it goes now.
 
I have sent an email to the owner of that site asking the same questions and asking if there is a
manual available.  I will let y'all know if I get a reply.

I would welcome any suggestions as to the best learning book to buy from Lindsay.

Thanks AGAIN!!!!!

Alan Bowen  rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
Williamsburg, Michigan


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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  8 15:17:55 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:17:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Better Info
In-Reply-To: <20050108231008.10669.qmail@web61304.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050108231755.1595.qmail@web61310.mail.yahoo.com>

 
Ok I will try this again,
This puter is still messing up.

My lathe is like this one.

http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/img5.gif

It has the drive belt system like this picture.

http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/img13.gif

The handle for manually moving the carraige is a round wheel like this one has.

http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/img30.gif

I sent an email to the owner of that site asking the same question and asking if a manual is
available for my lathe.  I will let y'all know if I get a reply.

I would welcome any suggestios as to what is the best book to guy from Lindsay to get me started.
I still need to crawl under her to see how many amps that 220V. motor wants before I run power to
her.

Thank again,

Alan Bowen rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
Williamsburg, Michigan




		
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Jan  8 18:16:13 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:16:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
Message-ID: <20050108.212242.556.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Stud, 49. ?

Super Tenacious Unyielding Diehard ?


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan  8 19:44:06 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:44:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built
References: <c.3bfbef65.2f11a10d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00a501c4f5fd$7a40e1e0$230110ac@PAUL>

Thanks Tom and please do send me the pictures of the bulldozer and tractor 
trailer, I would love to see them.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built


> In a message dated 1/7/2005 7:15:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> << share with you a few pictures of (2) Model Wooden Forklifts I just
> finished  >>
>
>
> Beautiful job Paul!  I will have to dig out my sons bulldozer and
> tractor/trailer to haul it on I built him many years ago for 2 Christmas's 
> and take a
> picture.
>




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jan  8 20:43:54 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 23:43:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
In-Reply-To: <20050108.212242.556.2.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20050108.212242.556.2.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <112A31F1-61F9-11D9-BF91-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Yeah, that works.

Suppose I oughta be playing "Funk 49."

John

On Jan 8, 2005, at 9:16 PM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

> Stud, 49. ?
>
> Super Tenacious Unyielding Diehard ?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From segray at mlode.com  Sat Jan  8 23:56:16 2005
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:56:16 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter
Message-ID: <41E0E3A0.10504@mlode.com>

Hey Guys & Gals -

   I picked up a little trinket last November in the form of a speed 
limiter for a line shaft. At first, I thought if might be an early form 
of a centrifugal clutch until I saw how the flyballs were pinned. The 
large pulley in the pictures would have been the driven (input) side 
which spins the clutch drum. The clutch shoes, which are wood, are 
mounted on the flyballs and are spring loaded against the drum. This 
transmits the rotating motion from the input pulley to the output shaft 
and pulley. If the speed becomes too great, the flyballs pull the clutch 
shoes away from the drum, slowing the output. This unit has no markings 
whatsoever other than having a lot of old red paint on it. Any idea of 
age and maker? Pictures are at: http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/. 
I need to pour new babbitt bearings in it, but it's in excellent shape, 
otherwise. If there's room for it, it might end up on the big display 
trailer.

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com





From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jan  9 01:30:07 2005
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:30:07 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter
In-Reply-To: <41E0E3A0.10504@mlode.com>
References: <41E0E3A0.10504@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <41E0F99F.3000005@optusnet.com.au>

Steve Gray wrote:

> Hey Guys & Gals -
>
>   I picked up a little trinket last November in the form of a speed 
> limiter for a line shaft. At first, I thought if might be an early 
> form of a centrifugal clutch until I saw how the flyballs were pinned. 
> The large pulley in the pictures would have been the driven (input) 
> side which spins the clutch drum. The clutch shoes, which are wood, 
> are mounted on the flyballs and are spring loaded against the drum. 
> This transmits the rotating motion from the input pulley to the output 
> shaft and pulley. If the speed becomes too great, the flyballs pull 
> the clutch shoes away from the drum, slowing the output. This unit has 
> no markings whatsoever other than having a lot of old red paint on it. 
> Any idea of age and maker? Pictures are at: 
> http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/. I need to pour new babbitt 
> bearings in it, but it's in excellent shape, otherwise. If there's 
> room for it, it might end up on the big display trailer.
>
> - Steve
>
Could it have been a safety device - an over-speed brake for a lift 
(elevator)?

Jack in Oz



From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  9 05:20:20 2005
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 05:20:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Stud 48 Out
Message-ID: <20050109132020.8286.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi, Alan,

If the lathe is like my old 1940 Atlas 12x60 then the ?Stud 48 Out?
refers to two gears stack-mounted on a stud on the back of the lathe
headstock assembly and are part of the gear train that runs down from
the rear of the chuck spindle to the quick change gear box that drives
the carriage feed screw. If you look under the cover at the back of the
headstock in the gear train you will probably find two gears stacked on
one stud, and ONE of the gears does not mesh with any other gear. This
un-meshed gear is EITHER the outer gear and is hanging out in mid-air,
OR is the inner gear, and if you count the teeth on it you will find
that it has either 24 or 48 teeth. This two-gear stack can be removed
and turned over and re-installed so that the 48-tooth gear is either
OUTside or INside. In the OUT position it probably cuts in half the
gear ratio of the carriage feed screw drive and its sole purpose is to
cut 4, 5, 5.5, 5.75, 6, and 6.5 threads per inch using the 8, 10, 11,
11.5, 12, and 13 threads per inch gear shift selections. These numbers
may actually be different but they will be half of one series of
pitches listed on the thread pitch selection table. With the 48-tooth
gear mounted on the outside you will find that the carriage feed screw
turns either twice as fast or half as fast, and is used to select
between the 2:1 or 1:1 ratio, hence the ?Stud 48 Out? instructions
associated with the thread selection gears. 

Depending on the gear box scheme that the lathe uses my above
instructions may be the exact opposite of the way it is actually set
up, but you can figure that out. OR my whole premise is wrong (but I
hope not!).

Rich Allen



From oldengin at udata.com  Sun Jan  9 05:44:17 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 08:44:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter
In-Reply-To: <41E0F99F.3000005@optusnet.com.au>
References: <41E0E3A0.10504@mlode.com> <41E0F99F.3000005@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <41E13531.4010903@udata.com>

Jack Watson wrote:

> Steve Gray wrote:
>
>> Hey Guys & Gals -
>>
>>   I picked up a little trinket last November in the form of a speed 
>> limiter for a line shaft.
>>
> Could it have been a safety device - an over-speed brake for a lift 
> (elevator)?
>
> Jack in Oz
>
Steve, in my little mind, which ever way you would install this device 
it could be wrong for a line shaft..  Yes I agree that it is a brake but 
to slow down the machine is not good and to place it on the engin side 
would tear up the wood clutches as you described them. It does, did, 
have a purpose but I am not convinced it is in a line shaft operation.
ps Nice toy....

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


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From jmackess at twcny.rr.com  Sat Jan  8 20:47:44 2005
From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 23:47:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
References: <20050108155302.1912.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c4f606$5d36b6c0$ab853a18@james547qmsxft>

Hi Alan;
     Nice Lathe! The book I would most recommend is "How to Run a Lathe",
"The Care and Operation
of a Back Geared Screw Cutting Lathe", originally put out be the South Bend
Lathe Works. Linsey has
reprints, also, but there are a lot of originals of varying vintage out
there also. It is a small book, but is
packed with a lot of concise information.
     As to the "Stud 48 out", I am not familiar with your particular lathe,
but in general the stud gear is the
first gear after the reversing mechanism on the leadscrew drive train. 48
would most likely be the number
of teeth, and out may refer to pulling one of the knobs on the headstock end
of the lathe out. 48 is a lot
of teeth for a stud gear however, on my Logan 16 thru 24 would be common on
the stud, but in looking
through the South Bend book they show as many as 64 teeth used on a stud
gear. Try rolling things over
by hand slowly and pulling out on any knobs at the end of the headstock. If
this fails, try asking at:
http://www.practicalmachinist.com
There are a bunch of friendly folks online there who can probably answer
your question off the top of their
heads. Hope this helps!
Best Regards;
Jim Mackessy
Camillus, New York, USA



From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Sun Jan  9 07:37:28 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 07:37:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter
In-Reply-To: <41E0E3A0.10504@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <20050109153728.28000.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com>

Steve

I have one of those...I don't havea good picture...should shovel my way
out tothe garage and get some work time and photos out there...I think
that it is a Cedar Rapids Centrifugal Clutch.  I will have to check to see
if mine has a tag or not.  A friend has one with a tag.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2002DuPageFair/07.jpg

I have had it out to one show.  Picture is not great as it shows the
engine driving it as well.  It is mounted on the mill's skids.

Steve
--- Steve Gray <segray at mlode.com> wrote:

Hey Guys & Gals -
 
I picked up a little trinket last November in the form of a speed 
limiter for a line shaft. At first, I thought if might be an early form 
of a centrifugal clutch until I saw how the flyballs were pinned. The 
large pulley in the pictures would have been the driven (input) side 
which spins the clutch drum. The clutch shoes, which are wood, are 
mounted on the flyballs and are spring loaded against the drum. This 
transmits the rotating motion from the input pulley to the output shaft 
and pulley. If the speed becomes too great, the flyballs pull the clutch
shoes away from the drum, slowing the output. This unit has no markings 
whatsoever other than having a lot of old red paint on it. Any idea of 
age and maker? Pictures are at: http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/. 
I need to pour new babbitt bearings in it, but it's in excellent shape, 
otherwise. If there's room for it, it might end up on the big display 
trailer.

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



From EnginePaul at aol.com  Sun Jan  9 09:36:04 2005
From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:36:04 EST
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter
Message-ID: <1f2.3fb1fe3.2f12c584@aol.com>

Just a guess based on my fading memory of various old machinery. This device 
was used as a speed reducer and saftey clutch too. If something jambed the 
machine, it may have been designed to slip rather than break the machinery it was 
driving. 
Paul
(In SF)


From segray at mlode.com  Sun Jan  9 09:47:42 2005
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:47:42 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter
In-Reply-To: <41E0F99F.3000005@optusnet.com.au>
References: <41E0E3A0.10504@mlode.com> <41E0F99F.3000005@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <41E16E3E.1090607@mlode.com>

G'day Jack and All-

   Used to have one of those elevator brakes years ago. This is kind of 
along the same idea, but this device has no actual braking capability, 
it simply disconnects the output shaft from the input shaft when the 
speed gets too high, hence the "speed limiter" reference. There's 
nothing to slow anything down. This would kind of answer Leroy's 
response in that there's no braking involved. The only harm that I could 
envision from running it off an engine (or any power source), is to have 
the spring tension too high and allow the flyballs to spin too fast. Not 
my idea of fun! I think John hit the nail on the head using the term 
"Speed Governor". If the flyballs were hinged differently, it would be a 
true centrifugal clutch as we know it, engaging when the speed was high 
enough. This does just the opposite. Thanks John for the King books 
heads-up, I'll check those. Thanks too, Steve, for the picture. Sure 
looks like the same critter. Most of the sheet metal had been cut off of 
this one, so I was thinking of going back with large expanded metal to 
keep it safe, yet allow the goodies to be seen. Thanks Arnie, the more 
monkey motion, the better!

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



Jack Watson wrote:

>
> Could it have been a safety device - an over-speed brake for a lift 
> (elevator)?
>
> Jack in Oz
>
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From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Sun Jan  9 11:13:05 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:13:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter
In-Reply-To: <20050109153728.28000.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050109191305.24492.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com>

Here are 2 better pictures.  I forgot I had them on the auction page...

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/Baraboo2002/05.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/Baraboo2002/06.jpg

Steve
-- Steve Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net> wrote:
Steve
 
I have one of those...I don't havea good picture...should shovel my way
out tothe garage and get some work time and photos out there...I think
that it is a Cedar Rapids Centrifugal Clutch.  I will have to check to see
if mine has a tag or not.  A friend has one with a tag.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2002DuPageFair/07.jpg

I have had it out to one show.  Picture is not great as it shows the
engine driving it as well.  It is mounted on the mill's skids.

Steve
--- Steve Gray <segray at mlode.com> wrote:
 
Hey Guys & Gals -
  
I picked up a little trinket last November in the form of a speed limiter
for a line shaft. At first, I thought if might be an early form of a
centrifugal clutch until I saw how the flyballs were pinned. The large
pulley in the pictures would have been the driven (input) side which spins
the clutch drum. The clutch shoes, which are wood, are mounted on the
flyballs and are spring loaded against the drum. This transmits the
rotating motion from the input pulley to the output shaft and pulley. If
the speed becomes too great, the flyballs pull the clutch shoes away from
the drum, slowing the output. This unit has no markings whatsoever other
than having a lot of old red paint on it. Any idea of age and maker?
Pictures are at: http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/.  I need to pour
new babbitt bearings in it, but it's in excellent shape, otherwise. If
there's room for it, it might end up on the big display trailer.

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



From rwenig at telus.net  Sun Jan  9 06:40:06 2005
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 07:40:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter
In-Reply-To: <41E0E3A0.10504@mlode.com>
References: <41E0E3A0.10504@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <41E14246.9090002@telus.net>

Hello Steve,
	Are you sure it is a speed limiter? My guess would be you were right 
the first time- a centrifical clutch. The wood shoes wouldn't last long 
if they are slipping all the time as they would be in a speed limiter.

Rupert

Steve Gray wrote:
> Hey Guys & Gals -
> 
>   I picked up a little trinket last November in the form of a speed 
> limiter for a line shaft. At first, I thought if might be an early form 
> of a centrifugal clutch until I saw how the flyballs were pinned. The 
> large pulley in the pictures would have been the driven (input) side 
> which spins the clutch drum. The clutch shoes, which are wood, are 
> mounted on the flyballs and are spring loaded against the drum. This 
> transmits the rotating motion from the input pulley to the output shaft 
> and pulley. If the speed becomes too great, the flyballs pull the clutch 
> shoes away from the drum, slowing the output. This unit has no markings 
> whatsoever other than having a lot of old red paint on it. Any idea of 
> age and maker? Pictures are at: http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/. 
> I need to pour new babbitt bearings in it, but it's in excellent shape, 
> otherwise. If there's room for it, it might end up on the big display 
> trailer.
> 
> - Steve
> 



From BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com  Sun Jan  9 13:46:42 2005
From: BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com (barry gorman)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:46:42 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Stud 48 Out
References: <20050109132020.8286.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003401c4f694$bb2540b0$be218b90@userw32g91tqfi>


                  Barry G.
    The Glorious Hunter Valley
              AUSTRALIA
BarryandPamGorman at bigpond,com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Allen" <linstrum55 at yahoo.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:20 AM
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Stud 48 Out


Hi, Alan,

If the lathe is like my old 1940 Atlas 12x60 then the "Stud 48 Out"
refers to two gears stack-mounted on a stud on the back of the lathe
headstock assembly and are part of the gear train that runs down from
the rear of the chuck spindle to the quick change gear box that drives
the carriage feed screw. If you look under the cover at the back of the
headstock in the gear train you will probably find two gears stacked on
one stud, and ONE of the gears does not mesh with any other gear. This
un-meshed gear is EITHER the outer gear and is hanging out in mid-air,
OR is the inner gear, and if you count the teeth on it you will find
that it has either 24 or 48 teeth. This two-gear stack can be removed
and turned over and re-installed so that the 48-tooth gear is either
OUTside or INside. In the OUT position it probably cuts in half the
gear ratio of the carriage feed screw drive and its sole purpose is to
cut 4, 5, 5.5, 5.75, 6, and 6.5 threads per inch using the 8, 10, 11,
11.5, 12, and 13 threads per inch gear shift selections. These numbers
may actually be different but they will be half of one series of
pitches listed on the thread pitch selection table. With the 48-tooth
gear mounted on the outside you will find that the carriage feed screw
turns either twice as fast or half as fast, and is used to select
between the 2:1 or 1:1 ratio, hence the "Stud 48 Out" instructions
associated with the thread selection gears. 

Depending on the gear box scheme that the lathe uses my above
instructions may be the exact opposite of the way it is actually set
up, but you can figure that out. OR my whole premise is wrong (but I
hope not!).

Rich Allen

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From yostsw at atis.net  Sun Jan  9 14:27:00 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:27:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re[2]: [AT] Charity auction
References: <000b01c4f440$b9f238c0$d43eaf3f@AlComputer>
	<200501091726380750.4337611C@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200501091727000718.4337B6ED@heavyiron.atis.net>

I am using Al's note, but replies are directed to all, not just Al......


>The suggestion was made on the list to everyone.  If
>everyone's opinion didn't matter, it should have been emailed only to

I addressed this concern in Thursday's note.   Here is what I said trying
to head off that exact argument:

...snip...
> In the past, with just a few
> exceptions, only people that participated posted opinions.  Call me
> naive but I thought that would occur again this year.
>

I didn't realize how few people participated (I knew the number of
donations was down, I didn't realize the number of bidders was down) when I
posted the suggestion for the tsunami's victims.   Mainly because I don't
make a habit of perusing the bids on item's I am not bidding on, just the
summary screen.   At least not until the end of the auctions.   I figured
participation was close to last year's bidding when I posted the tsunami's
victim's post.

For the money and hours I spend on ATIS to provide a free service, I think
I make very few demands on everyone.   I don't bombard you with ads and the
few I do are provided free to businesses that have supported ATIS mailing
lists with helpful informative posts. I don't even what "Thank You"s.
About the only two regular demands I make are:

1 - I want folks to watch their language and subjects when they post
2 - Earmark a very small percentage of your yearly charitable giving for
ATIS's auctions.

I feel certain these are real easy, real simple and not too much to ask.  I
have to believe anyone that thinks these are burdensome demands has an
ulterior motive and probably needs to go elsewhere.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net



From segray at mlode.com  Sun Jan  9 15:54:14 2005
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:54:14 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter
In-Reply-To: <41E14246.9090002@telus.net>
References: <41E0E3A0.10504@mlode.com> <41E14246.9090002@telus.net>
Message-ID: <41E1C426.2060201@mlode.com>

Hi Rupert & Steve -

   Taking John's lead (Thanks!), I *did* find the unit pictured in 
Volume 3, pg. 32 of Alan King's books of engine ads. It's exactly what I 
have right down to the spring pressure adjustment knob. I echo your 
thoughts as to how long the shoes would hold up under constant slipping. 
The shoes are extremely hard wood, possibly rock maple, but even so 
you've think they'd burn 'em out of there in short order. Maybe they 
figured with reasonably light loads, it wouldn't be a problem. Looking 
at the 3rd picture I put up, you can see the flyball weights are hinged 
(round head screws) between the weights and the shoes; the faster this 
unit was to turn (weights thrown towards the outside), the less force 
would be applied to the shoes (shoes pulled in) to hold the drive drum. 
This unit even has the ball thrust bearings noted in the advertisement. 
Interesting to note; the ad states: "Can change speed while running". In 
other words, they expected it to constantly slip! They must have sold a 
lot of replacement shoes! As to name, it's a Cedar Rapids Speed Governor 
made by the Cedar Rapids Foundry & Machine Co. The pictures you put up, 
Steve, are exactly what this unit is. Thanks!

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



Rupert Wenig wrote:

> Hello Steve,
>     Are you sure it is a speed limiter? My guess would be you were 
> right the first time- a centrifical clutch. The wood shoes wouldn't 
> last long if they are slipping all the time as they would be in a 
> speed limiter.
>
> Rupert
>





From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sun Jan  9 16:04:02 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:04:02 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Re[2]: [AT] Charity auction
References: <000b01c4f440$b9f238c0$d43eaf3f@AlComputer><200501091726380750.4337611C@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200501091727000718.4337B6ED@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <000501c4f6a7$e53da410$3e636854@Sixmjohn>


You're right Spencer, I asked you for a snail mail address, so I can
send you $10.00 for the item I was the high bidder for.
I want it to send by letter post, that's much easier and cheaper for me.

Thanks in advance,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl




> I am using Al's note, but replies are directed to all, not just Al......
> 
> 
> >The suggestion was made on the list to everyone.  If
> >everyone's opinion didn't matter, it should have been emailed only to
> 
> I addressed this concern in Thursday's note.   Here is what I said trying
> to head off that exact argument:
> 
> ...snip...
> > In the past, with just a few
> > exceptions, only people that participated posted opinions.  Call me
> > naive but I thought that would occur again this year.
> >
> 
> I didn't realize how few people participated (I knew the number of
> donations was down, I didn't realize the number of bidders was down) when I
> posted the suggestion for the tsunami's victims.   Mainly because I don't
> make a habit of perusing the bids on item's I am not bidding on, just the
> summary screen.   At least not until the end of the auctions.   I figured
> participation was close to last year's bidding when I posted the tsunami's
> victim's post.
> 
> For the money and hours I spend on ATIS to provide a free service, I think
> I make very few demands on everyone.   I don't bombard you with ads and the
> few I do are provided free to businesses that have supported ATIS mailing
> lists with helpful informative posts. I don't even what "Thank You"s.
> About the only two regular demands I make are:
> 
> 1 - I want folks to watch their language and subjects when they post
> 2 - Earmark a very small percentage of your yearly charitable giving for
> ATIS's auctions.
> 
> I feel certain these are real easy, real simple and not too much to ask.  I
> have to believe anyone that thinks these are burdensome demands has an
> ulterior motive and probably needs to go elsewhere.
> 
> Spencer Yost
> Owner, ATIS
> Plow the Net!
> http://www.atis.net
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Sun Jan  9 14:07:50 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Edward Stoller)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:07:50 -0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built
References: <00e301c4f516$aabe7270$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <000201c4f6bf$ca401400$ea48b93f@earthlink.net>

Nice work,

I made some little wood truck kits when my daughter was a cub scout leader.
We put a note pad on the bed and a pencil in the cab for a stack. Maybe you
could put a note pad on the pallet.

Ed Stoller


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 4:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built


Hey Gang it seems as though things are a little slow on the List tonight so
I thought I would share with you a few pictures of (2) Model Wooden
Forklifts I just finished building for my two (6) Year Old Twin Grandsons
Birthday this Saturday. No big deal but something a little different. I used
Padauk, PurpleHeart, Oak, White Pine, and Birch to make them:

http://client.webshots.com/slideshow?ID=246390377&key=UWKzCC

Paul
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan  9 19:33:38 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:33:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built
References: <00e301c4f516$aabe7270$230110ac@PAUL>
	<000201c4f6bf$ca401400$ea48b93f@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <013601c4f6c5$2e3c9910$230110ac@PAUL>

Good Idea Ed,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward Stoller" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built


> Nice work,
>
> I made some little wood truck kits when my daughter was a cub scout 
> leader.
> We put a note pad on the bed and a pencil in the cab for a stack. Maybe 
> you
> could put a note pad on the pallet.
>




From jmackess at twcny.rr.com  Sun Jan  9 11:44:37 2005
From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:44:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter
References: <41E0E3A0.10504@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <001201c4f683$a7e88a40$ab853a18@james547qmsxft>

Hi Steve;
     I picked up a very small one of these a few years ago mounted on a
lineshaft,
complete with hangers. It's a little larger than a go-kart clutch, and the
shaft it is
on is light, only about 3/4" diameter. It is marked "Sta-Rite". I asked
around and
on this list, the general consensus is that it was part of a cream separator
rig and
was there to keep the separator at a rated speed below that of the engine. I
don't
have any pictures, but the thing had me scratching my head for a while, too.
Best Regards;
Jim Mackessy
Camillus, New York, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Gray" <segray at mlode.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 2:56 AM
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter


> Hey Guys & Gals -
>
>    I picked up a little trinket last November in the form of a speed
> limiter for a line shaft.



From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Sun Jan  9 20:56:08 2005
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:56:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re[2]: [AT] Charity auction
Message-ID: <001601c4f6d0$b5af1fc0$00690b42@gnarmstrong>

Spencer,
  We do appreciate your envolvment with the list and want you to know that.
Because I appreciate your effort  and am an old man I want to pass on a
couple of thoughts.  Many times the people who tell you that what you are
doing is a bad idea are your best friends and in fact have your best
interest in mind.  To be indifferent about what a person does is the most
uncomplimentary position you can take and in essence saying that you are
ignored and don't matter.  Criticism isn't always bad even though we often
are offended by it.   Some of the comments on the charity were pretty harsh
and maybe their points could have been made in a more charitable manner but
you did get their input.  Remember, I said I'm old.          Geo.
-----Original Message-----
From: Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, January 09, 2005 5:44 PM
Subject: [SEL] Re[2]: [AT] Charity auction


>I am using Al's note, but replies are directed to all, not just Al......
>
>
>>The suggestion was made on the list to everyone.  If
>>everyone's opinion didn't matter, it should have been emailed only to
>
>I addressed this concern in Thursday's note.   Here is what I said trying
>to head off that exact argument:
>
>...snip...
>> In the past, with just a few
>> exceptions, only people that participated posted opinions.  Call me
>> naive but I thought that would occur again this year.
>>
>
>I didn't realize how few people participated (I knew the number of
>donations was down, I didn't realize the number of bidders was down) when I
>posted the suggestion for the tsunami's victims.   Mainly because I don't
>make a habit of perusing the bids on item's I am not bidding on, just the
>summary screen.   At least not until the end of the auctions.   I figured
>participation was close to last year's bidding when I posted the tsunami's
>victim's post.
>
>For the money and hours I spend on ATIS to provide a free service, I think
>I make very few demands on everyone.   I don't bombard you with ads and the
>few I do are provided free to businesses that have supported ATIS mailing
>lists with helpful informative posts. I don't even what "Thank You"s.
>About the only two regular demands I make are:
>
>1 - I want folks to watch their language and subjects when they post
>2 - Earmark a very small percentage of your yearly charitable giving for
>ATIS's auctions.
>
>I feel certain these are real easy, real simple and not too much to ask.  I
>have to believe anyone that thinks these are burdensome demands has an
>ulterior motive and probably needs to go elsewhere.
>
>Spencer Yost
>Owner, ATIS
>Plow the Net!
>http://www.atis.net
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From ozengine at yahoo.com.au  Sun Jan  9 23:21:40 2005
From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:21:40 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives
Message-ID: <20050110072140.72826.qmail@web41124.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey Cam

Yeah, Yeah, but what was he like to kiss?

Graham


From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Another One Lives

Are you going to paint it or leave it in the raw.
       ps Good looking bloke that Edd Payne
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW


Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Jan  9 16:35:10 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:35:10 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter.....elevator governor.
References: <41E0E3A0.10504@mlode.com> <41E0F99F.3000005@optusnet.com.au>
	<41E16E3E.1090607@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <000201c4f6fb$209d9940$9acd3dca@ogborneuah38i3>

Jack and others...........I have an Otis elevator governor ,mounted on a
trolley and driven by a little J.A.P motor just for demo purposes. It has
bob weights and was designed to ''grip '' the fixed cable with a wedge when
it tripped as in free falling.

 Jack this little machine is out at Midland workshops for the moment until i
bring it down to Albany . It was originally installed in the old Goldsbrough
Mort building in St Georges Tce Perth .....Otis Elevator Co were very
helpful in giving me the history of the machine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Gray" <segray at mlode.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Speed limiter


> G'day Jack and All-
>
>    Used to have one of those elevator brakes years ago. This is kind of
> along the same idea, but this device has no actual braking capability,
> it simply disconnects the output shaft from the input shaft when the
> speed gets too high, hence the "speed limiter" reference. There's
> nothing to slow anything down. This would kind of answer Leroy's
> response in that there's no braking involved. The only harm that I could
> envision from running it off an engine (or any power source), is to have
> the spring tension too high and allow the flyballs to spin too fast. Not
> my idea of fun! I think John hit the nail on the head using the term
> "Speed Governor". If the flyballs were hinged differently, it would be a
> true centrifugal clutch as we know it, engaging when the speed was high
> enough. This does just the opposite. Thanks John for the King books
> heads-up, I'll check those. Thanks too, Steve, for the picture. Sure
> looks like the same critter. Most of the sheet metal had been cut off of
> this one, so I was thinking of going back with large expanded metal to
> keep it safe, yet allow the goodies to be seen. Thanks Arnie, the more
> monkey motion, the better!
>
> - Steve
>
> --
> Steve Gray
> Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
> Sonora, California USA
> e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
> Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
>
>
>
> Jack Watson wrote:
>
> >
> > Could it have been a safety device - an over-speed brake for a lift
> > (elevator)?
> >
> > Jack in Oz
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>





From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jan 10 03:09:18 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:09:18 +1100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
Message-ID: <200501101109.j0AB9IMq045218@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

After a bit of gentle nudging (OK a phone call from the USA asking why I
have not got my act together) I have finally bought headset for my computer
and installed Skype. 
After a couple of false starts I had a nice chat with Dave Croft in England
and with Curt Andree in the USA. We then had a conference call where we were
talking about engines (and other stuff) between three continents. There was
a slight delay on the conference call but the distances involved are pretty
amazing. And how much did all this talking to each other cost (apart from my
purchase of a headset)? Nothing!!
What a great way to be in contact with your engine mates from around the
world, even if they talk with funny accents :) 

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 10 04:45:46 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:45:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
References: <200501101109.j0AB9IMq045218@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c4f712$50cb9dd0$230110ac@PAUL>

Patrick, what is your Skype calling I.D., I will add you to my call list. I 
get on it occasionally myself and talk to Curt and Dave Croft, it is a great 
FREE way of talking to people around the World. Maybe more of our engine 
friends will get on it.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 5:09 AM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype


> After a bit of gentle nudging (OK a phone call from the USA asking why I
> have not got my act together) I have finally bought headset for my 
> computer
> and installed Skype.
> After a couple of false starts I had a nice chat with Dave Croft in 
> England
> and with Curt Andree in the USA. We then had a conference call where we 
> were
> talking about engines (and other stuff) between three continents. There 
> was
> a slight delay on the conference call but the distances involved are 
> pretty
> amazing. And how much did all this talking to each other cost (apart from 
> my
> purchase of a headset)? Nothing!!
> What a great way to be in contact with your engine mates from around the
> world, even if they talk with funny accents :)
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>




From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jan 10 05:07:12 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 05:07:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re[2]: [AT] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <001601c4f6d0$b5af1fc0$00690b42@gnarmstrong>
References: <001601c4f6d0$b5af1fc0$00690b42@gnarmstrong>
Message-ID: <46502.165.206.180.118.1105362432.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

Gosh, George - I'd say "old and wise".........

Things I've learned over the years include - you don't tell people who
wish to donate money or time WHAT they should donate that money or time to
(as a person with limited means who still donates to causes I WANT TO
donate to on a regular basis) (you'll pi$$ them off and shut off their
money flow),
If you bring volunteers together to help with something, don't let them
stand around. Make sure you have a precise list of things that need to be
done and let them get right to work (learned from working as a volunteer
and with volunteers at our local club)

Bill

> Spencer,
>   We do appreciate your envolvment with the list and want you to know
> that.
> Because I appreciate your effort  and am an old man I want to pass on a
> couple of thoughts.  Many times the people who tell you that what you are
> doing is a bad idea are your best friends and in fact have your best
> interest in mind.  To be indifferent about what a person does is the most
> uncomplimentary position you can take and in essence saying that you are
> ignored and don't matter.  Criticism isn't always bad even though we often
> are offended by it.   Some of the comments on the charity were pretty
> harsh
> and maybe their points could have been made in a more charitable manner
> but
> you did get their input.  Remember, I said I'm old.          Geo.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net>
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Sunday, January 09, 2005 5:44 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Re[2]: [AT] Charity auction
>
>
>>I am using Al's note, but replies are directed to all, not just Al......
>>
>>
>>>The suggestion was made on the list to everyone.  If
>>>everyone's opinion didn't matter, it should have been emailed only to
>>
>>I addressed this concern in Thursday's note.   Here is what I said trying
>>to head off that exact argument:
>>
>>...snip...
>>> In the past, with just a few
>>> exceptions, only people that participated posted opinions.  Call me
>>> naive but I thought that would occur again this year.
>>>
>>
>>I didn't realize how few people participated (I knew the number of
>>donations was down, I didn't realize the number of bidders was down) when
>> I
>>posted the suggestion for the tsunami's victims.   Mainly because I don't
>>make a habit of perusing the bids on item's I am not bidding on, just the
>>summary screen.   At least not until the end of the auctions.   I figured
>>participation was close to last year's bidding when I posted the
>> tsunami's
>>victim's post.



From rwenig at telus.net  Sun Jan  9 20:37:23 2005
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 21:37:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter
In-Reply-To: <41E1C426.2060201@mlode.com>
References: <41E0E3A0.10504@mlode.com> <41E14246.9090002@telus.net>
	<41E1C426.2060201@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <41E20683.3070408@telus.net>

Thanks Steve,
	The info is appreciated.

Rupert

Steve Gray wrote:
> Hi Rupert & Steve -
> 
>   Taking John's lead (Thanks!), I *did* find the unit pictured in Volume 
> 3, pg. 32 of Alan King's books of engine ads. It's exactly what I have 
> right down to the spring pressure adjustment knob. I echo your thoughts 
> as to how long the shoes would hold up under constant slipping. The 

<snip>
> - Steve
> 




From prepair at easynet.co.uk  Mon Jan 10 06:30:18 2005
From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:30:18 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: [AT] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <200501061219420718.32AB08E6@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <005701c4f1e9$2edbb080$553eaf3f@AlComputer>
	<002201c4f1ed$3428d190$1fac41d8@D684CG51>
	<001401c4f1f1$8eba1a70$5b186544@toshiba>
	<200501061219120953.32AA94A0@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200501061219420718.32AB08E6@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <i445u01g9t5irqde8h984nkl4klv9tdfuu@4ax.com>

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:19:42 -0500, you wrote:

>I have some family business out of town again and will be gone till the end
>of the weekend.   I want to give you folks something to think about while I
>am gone:
>
>Why is it that those people who have stalwart opinions on how the auction
>money should be spent, aren't so adamant when when it is time to bid or
>donate?   There is a large percentage of folks posting opinions on spending
>the money who didn't donate or bid.  In the past, with just a few
>exceptions, only people that participated posted opinions.  Call me naive
>but I thought that would occur again this year.
>
>I will leave the category open till the end of the weekend and see those of
>you who know how to spend the money also know how to donate and bid.
>
>Spencer Yost

Spencer:

Having read this one and the latest post today, I am a little puzzled
by your comments.

I did comment on the original request about the Tsunami fund as the
email was broadcast to the SEL List as a whole, and I added my comment
on the basis that that is what you wanted.

I did not get time this Xmas to get involved as I had already
explained, but have done in the past, the last three auctions in fact.
I didn't know if participating in the auction was a prerequisite for
me to comment on the Tsunami fund as there was no comment about that
from you in your original post.


Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK
prepair at easynet.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk




From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jan 10 07:26:39 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:26:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
In-Reply-To: <003e01c4f712$50cb9dd0$230110ac@PAUL>
References: <200501101109.j0AB9IMq045218@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<003e01c4f712$50cb9dd0$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <47693.165.206.180.118.1105370799.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

I just rebuilt a computer that will handle it, however, what about dial-up
- will it work with that? ( can connect at about 45K on a good day.
It's the ONLY option we country folks have around here.
There is no cable service, no DSL of any sort and people around here with
satellite Internet say it isn't any better than dial-up in these parts.
Will it work with that?

If so, I wonder about running it from a notebook with a wireless
connection to my dial-up network, then I could talk from any room.......
without cords at all (other than carrying around the notebook).

(not that anyone would care to listen to me....)

Bill

> Patrick, what is your Skype calling I.D., I will add you to my call list.
> I
> get on it occasionally myself and talk to Curt and Dave Croft, it is a
> great
> FREE way of talking to people around the World. Maybe more of our engine
> friends will get on it.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
> "Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 5:09 AM
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
>
>
>> After a bit of gentle nudging (OK a phone call from the USA asking why I
>> have not got my act together) I have finally bought headset for my
>> computer
>> and installed Skype.
>> After a couple of false starts I had a nice chat with Dave Croft in
>> England
>> and with Curt Andree in the USA. We then had a conference call where we
>> were
>> talking about engines (and other stuff) between three continents. There
>> was
>> a slight delay on the conference call but the distances involved are
>> pretty
>> amazing. And how much did all this talking to each other cost (apart
>> from
>> my
>> purchase of a headset)? Nothing!!
>> What a great way to be in contact with your engine mates from around the
>> world, even if they talk with funny accents :)
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Mon Jan 10 07:34:50 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (diesel at easynet.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:34:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
In-Reply-To: <47693.165.206.180.118.1105370799.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
References: <200501101109.j0AB9IMq045218@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<003e01c4f712$50cb9dd0$230110ac@PAUL>
	<47693.165.206.180.118.1105370799.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <1105371290.41e2a09adb060@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk>

Quoting bill at antique-engines.com:

> I just rebuilt a computer that will handle it, however, what about dial-up
> - will it work with that? ( can connect at about 45K on a good day.
> It's the ONLY option we country folks have around here.
> There is no cable service, no DSL of any sort and people around here with
> satellite Internet say it isn't any better than dial-up in these parts.
> Will it work with that?
> 
> If so, I wonder about running it from a notebook with a wireless
> connection to my dial-up network, then I could talk from any room.......
> without cords at all (other than carrying around the notebook).
> 
> (not that anyone would care to listen to me....)
> 
> Bill

Bill:

The Skype system is only for Broadband/DSL users, the free element of the 
service is because you are online continuously with DSL.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk
Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

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From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Jan 10 08:28:08 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:28:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
References: <200501101109.j0AB9IMq045218@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><003e01c4f712$50cb9dd0$230110ac@PAUL>
	<47693.165.206.180.118.1105370799.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <002801c4f731$5f6c2e80$bf1117d1@net.telenet.net>

>From their site.

In order to use Skype for Windows software, your computer must meet the
following minimum system requirements:

PC running Windows 2000 or XP
400 MHz processor
128 MB RAM
15 MB free disk space on your hard drive
Sound Card, speakers and microphone
Internet Connection (either dial-up: minimum 33.6 Kbps modem, or any
broadband: cable, DSL, etc.)


Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown, New York

Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed
Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh,
he'd have become a vegan.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype


> I just rebuilt a computer that will handle it, however, what about
dial-up
> - will it work with that? ( can connect at about 45K on a good day.
> It's the ONLY option we country folks have around here.
> There is no cable service, no DSL of any sort and people around here
with
> satellite Internet say it isn't any better than dial-up in these
parts.
> Will it work with that?
>
> If so, I wonder about running it from a notebook with a wireless
> connection to my dial-up network, then I could talk from any
room.......
> without cords at all (other than carrying around the notebook).
>
> (not that anyone would care to listen to me....)
>
> Bill
>
> > Patrick, what is your Skype calling I.D., I will add you to my call
list.
> > I
> > get on it occasionally myself and talk to Curt and Dave Croft, it is
a
> > great
> > FREE way of talking to people around the World. Maybe more of our
engine
> > friends will get on it.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
> > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 5:09 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
> >
> >
> >> After a bit of gentle nudging (OK a phone call from the USA asking
why I
> >> have not got my act together) I have finally bought headset for my
> >> computer
> >> and installed Skype.
> >> After a couple of false starts I had a nice chat with Dave Croft in
> >> England
> >> and with Curt Andree in the USA. We then had a conference call
where we
> >> were
> >> talking about engines (and other stuff) between three continents.
There
> >> was
> >> a slight delay on the conference call but the distances involved
are
> >> pretty
> >> amazing. And how much did all this talking to each other cost
(apart
> >> from
> >> my
> >> purchase of a headset)? Nothing!!
> >> What a great way to be in contact with your engine mates from
around the
> >> world, even if they talk with funny accents :)
> >>
> >> Patrick M Livingstone
> >> Leichhardt NSW
> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Jan 10 09:33:16 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:33:16 -0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
References: <200501101109.j0AB9IMq045218@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><003e01c4f712$50cb9dd0$230110ac@PAUL><47693.165.206.180.118.1105370799.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
	<002801c4f731$5f6c2e80$bf1117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <002401c4f73a$78f1e8a0$8c9f0952@no1>

I have used it using 98SE. The answer is try it.
It costs nothing to install & if your connection isn't good enough, easy to remove
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype


> >From their site.
> 
> In order to use Skype for Windows software, your computer must meet the
> following minimum system requirements:
> 
> PC running Windows 2000 or XP
> 400 MHz processor
> 128 MB RAM
> 15 MB free disk space on your hard drive
> Sound Card, speakers and microphone
> Internet Connection (either dial-up: minimum 33.6 Kbps modem, or any
> broadband: cable, DSL, etc.)
> 
> 
> Steve Williams
> Near Cooperstown, New York
> 
> Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed
> Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh,
> he'd have become a vegan.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
> 
> 
> > I just rebuilt a computer that will handle it, however, what about
> dial-up
> > - will it work with that? ( can connect at about 45K on a good day.
> > It's the ONLY option we country folks have around here.
> > There is no cable service, no DSL of any sort and people around here
> with
> > satellite Internet say it isn't any better than dial-up in these
> parts.
> > Will it work with that?
> >
> > If so, I wonder about running it from a notebook with a wireless
> > connection to my dial-up network, then I could talk from any
> room.......
> > without cords at all (other than carrying around the notebook).
> >
> > (not that anyone would care to listen to me....)
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > > Patrick, what is your Skype calling I.D., I will add you to my call
> list.
> > > I
> > > get on it occasionally myself and talk to Curt and Dave Croft, it is
> a
> > > great
> > > FREE way of talking to people around the World. Maybe more of our
> engine
> > > friends will get on it.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> > > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
> > > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 5:09 AM
> > > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
> > >
> > >
> > >> After a bit of gentle nudging (OK a phone call from the USA asking
> why I
> > >> have not got my act together) I have finally bought headset for my
> > >> computer
> > >> and installed Skype.
> > >> After a couple of false starts I had a nice chat with Dave Croft in
> > >> England
> > >> and with Curt Andree in the USA. We then had a conference call
> where we
> > >> were
> > >> talking about engines (and other stuff) between three continents.
> There
> > >> was
> > >> a slight delay on the conference call but the distances involved
> are
> > >> pretty
> > >> amazing. And how much did all this talking to each other cost
> (apart
> > >> from
> > >> my
> > >> purchase of a headset)? Nothing!!
> > >> What a great way to be in contact with your engine mates from
> around the
> > >> world, even if they talk with funny accents :)
> > >>
> > >> Patrick M Livingstone
> > >> Leichhardt NSW
> > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> > >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jan 10 10:16:02 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:16:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
In-Reply-To: <002801c4f731$5f6c2e80$bf1117d1@net.telenet.net>
References: <200501101109.j0AB9IMq045218@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><003e01c4f712$50cb9dd0$230110ac@PAUL>
	<47693.165.206.180.118.1105370799.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
	<002801c4f731$5f6c2e80$bf1117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <49516.165.206.180.118.1105380962.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

PC runs XP Pro
2800 MHz
1GB RAM
Dual 120 GIG drives so well over 110 gig free hard drive space
Surround sound card with speakers and headset
Dial-up 45Kbps typical

The notebook is similar, but only 500 meg RAM, 80 gig hd and wireless
network back to the above computer (sharing the dial-up connection)

So maybe it would work. I'm pretty much connected as long as the modem
will hole the connection, then it redials if the connection drops.

Bill

>>From their site.
>
> In order to use Skype for Windows software, your computer must meet the
> following minimum system requirements:
>
> PC running Windows 2000 or XP
> 400 MHz processor
> 128 MB RAM
> 15 MB free disk space on your hard drive
> Sound Card, speakers and microphone
> Internet Connection (either dial-up: minimum 33.6 Kbps modem, or any
> broadband: cable, DSL, etc.)
>
>
> Steve Williams
> Near Cooperstown, New York
>
> Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed
> Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh,
> he'd have become a vegan.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
>
>
>> I just rebuilt a computer that will handle it, however, what about
> dial-up
>> - will it work with that? ( can connect at about 45K on a good day.
>> It's the ONLY option we country folks have around here.
>> There is no cable service, no DSL of any sort and people around here
> with
>> satellite Internet say it isn't any better than dial-up in these
> parts.
>> Will it work with that?
>>
>> If so, I wonder about running it from a notebook with a wireless
>> connection to my dial-up network, then I could talk from any
> room.......
>> without cords at all (other than carrying around the notebook).
>>
>> (not that anyone would care to listen to me....)
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> > Patrick, what is your Skype calling I.D., I will add you to my call
> list.
>> > I
>> > get on it occasionally myself and talk to Curt and Dave Croft, it is
> a
>> > great
>> > FREE way of talking to people around the World. Maybe more of our
> engine
>> > friends will get on it.
>> >
>> > Paul
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
>> > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
>> > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>> > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 5:09 AM
>> > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
>> >
>> >
>> >> After a bit of gentle nudging (OK a phone call from the USA asking
> why I
>> >> have not got my act together) I have finally bought headset for my
>> >> computer
>> >> and installed Skype.
>> >> After a couple of false starts I had a nice chat with Dave Croft in
>> >> England
>> >> and with Curt Andree in the USA. We then had a conference call
> where we
>> >> were
>> >> talking about engines (and other stuff) between three continents.
> There
>> >> was
>> >> a slight delay on the conference call but the distances involved
> are
>> >> pretty
>> >> amazing. And how much did all this talking to each other cost
> (apart
>> >> from
>> >> my
>> >> purchase of a headset)? Nothing!!
>> >> What a great way to be in contact with your engine mates from
> around the
>> >> world, even if they talk with funny accents :)
>> >>
>> >> Patrick M Livingstone
>> >> Leichhardt NSW
>> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>> >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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>>
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From brianne at ultratune.com.au  Mon Jan 10 16:56:45 2005
From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:56:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] SAFETY AND SECURITY PROGRAM OFFERED BY MICROSOFT
Message-ID: <005801c4f778$6c9692c0$fcc5dccb@pcuser>




Hi Guys
There is a new Beta Spyware programme from Microsoft.
(XP or later only)  http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/product 
 
I have downloaded and run this programme and it found 1 item on my computer(put there by Kodak software as part of it's installation)
It was not a high threat item, but I feel that I should have the option when installing software as to what info goes out from my computer.
It will be interesting to see what it finds on YOUR computer.
I have been running Nortons Anti-Virus  + Zone Alarm for some time now and I feel that this is why my computer is relatively clean.
The download is 6meg approx.
When you go to the site, it needs to validate that you have a legal copy of Windows XP etc. before you can download. 
Brian Taylor
Hervey Bay Historical Museum
13 Zephyr St..Scarness
Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html

 

www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/product 

 





From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Mon Jan 10 18:15:08 2005
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:15:08 +0800
Subject: [SEL] SAFETY AND SECURITY PROGRAM OFFERED BY MICROSOFT
In-Reply-To: <005801c4f778$6c9692c0$fcc5dccb@pcuser>
References: <005801c4f778$6c9692c0$fcc5dccb@pcuser>
Message-ID: <41E336AC.4010107@optusnet.com.au>

I am suspicious of this -"It will be interesting to see what it finds on 
YOUR computer" sounds just a bit shonky to cynical old me . .  . .

Jack Watson
============


Brian Taylor wrote:

>
>Hi Guys
>There is a new Beta Spyware programme from Microsoft.
>(XP or later only)  http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/product 
> 
>I have downloaded and run this programme and it found 1 item on my computer(put there by Kodak software as part of it's installation)
>It was not a high threat item, but I feel that I should have the option when installing software as to what info goes out from my computer.
>It will be interesting to see what it finds on YOUR computer.
>I have been running Nortons Anti-Virus  + Zone Alarm for some time now and I feel that this is why my computer is relatively clean.
>The download is 6meg approx.
>When you go to the site, it needs to validate that you have a legal copy of Windows XP etc. before you can download. 
>Brian Taylor
>Hervey Bay Historical Museum
>13 Zephyr St..Scarness
>Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html
>
> 
>
>www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/product 
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
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>
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>  
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jan 10 18:47:12 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:47:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] SAFETY AND SECURITY PROGRAM OFFERED BY MICROSOFT
In-Reply-To: <41E336AC.4010107@optusnet.com.au>
References: <005801c4f778$6c9692c0$fcc5dccb@pcuser>
	<41E336AC.4010107@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <61549.167.142.22.193.1105411632.squirrel@167.142.22.193>

Won't find a thing on mine - I run spybot search and destroy, SAV 9.02
Enterprise edition, plus being very security aware, as part of our state
department security team...... I try to not let such things get to me.
Besides, MS stuff is always second rate compared to 3rd party products.

Bill


> I am suspicious of this -"It will be interesting to see what it finds on
> YOUR computer" sounds just a bit shonky to cynical old me . .  . .
>
> Jack Watson
> ============
>
>
> Brian Taylor wrote:
>
>>
>>Hi Guys
>>There is a new Beta Spyware programme from Microsoft.
>>(XP or later only)
>> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/product
>>
>>I have downloaded and run this programme and it found 1 item on my
>> computer(put there by Kodak software as part of it's installation)
>>It was not a high threat item, but I feel that I should have the option
>> when installing software as to what info goes out from my computer.
>>It will be interesting to see what it finds on YOUR computer.
>>I have been running Nortons Anti-Virus  + Zone Alarm for some time now
>> and I feel that this is why my computer is relatively clean.
>>The download is 6meg approx.
>>When you go to the site, it needs to validate that you have a legal copy
>> of Windows XP etc. before you can download.
>>Brian Taylor
>>Hervey Bay Historical Museum
>>13 Zephyr St..Scarness
>>Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html
>>
>>
>>
>>www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/product
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>
>
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Jan 10 18:43:06 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:43:06 EST
Subject: [SEL] SAFETY AND SECURITY PROGRAM OFFERED BY MICROSOFT
Message-ID: <1d5.3382dbe8.2f14973a@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/10/2005 6:19:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
nadejack at optusnet.com.au writes:
I am suspicious of this -"It will be interesting to see what it finds on 
YOUR computer" sounds just a bit shonky to cynical old me . 
I tried this beta software and it found 29 suspicious items.  This was 
surprise to me as I had just ran Sky Sweeper.  


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 


From brianne at ultratune.com.au  Mon Jan 10 20:36:34 2005
From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:36:34 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Magneto Lucas Sr1
Message-ID: <001f01c4f797$227aebe0$7ac4dccb@pcuser>

Hi Guys
This query is related to the railway people mover I mentioned last week.
The Wisconsin engine is a AENLD, not as I first thought ABNLD.
Good news, engine is not seized.
Bad news, pulley drive assembly probably incorporating some kind of centrifugal clutch is seized.

I am a bit perplexed about the magneto (Lucas SR1) on the Wisconsin engine we are restoring.
It would appear that the SR1 is a self contained high tension magneto, not requiring external power.
The high tension wire from the mag was connected to the spark plug.
The black low tension wire from within the mag was tucked away down one side internally and not connected at all.(Did this used to be connected to points?)
The low tension wire connected to the points appears to have been extended and was connected to one side of an automotive type coil. There was no wire to the other side of the coil and neither was there an HT lead from coil tower.
My suspicion is that the mag low tension side was defective and that the low tension power to the points was supplied via the ign coil. Other wires may have been removed at some stage.
Does anyone have a description of the Lucas SR1 mag operating principles at all?
Any help appreciated
Brian Taylor
Hervey Bay Historical Museum
13 Zephyr St..Scarness
Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html


From brianne at ultratune.com.au  Tue Jan 11 04:24:07 2005
From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:24:07 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Spyware
Message-ID: <00b801c4f7d8$732026a0$7ac4dccb@pcuser>

Hi Guys
Apparently MS acquired this software from a 3rd party and are now developing it.
Don't know why anyone would think the statement related to YOUR computer was "shonky".
It was made in good faith. Several of my friends have tried it, and in most cases it has found spyware, even though they ran various other anti - spyware programmes.
There is no compulsion to try it. Choice is yours.Unfortunately I do not get any commission from MS.
I sent the message out of a desire to help others.
Brian Taylor
Hervey Bay Historical Museum
13 Zephyr St..Scarness
Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html


From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jan 11 05:15:59 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 05:15:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Spyware
In-Reply-To: <00b801c4f7d8$732026a0$7ac4dccb@pcuser>
References: <00b801c4f7d8$732026a0$7ac4dccb@pcuser>
Message-ID: <56993.165.206.180.118.1105449359.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

Watch out - some "anti-spyware" out there is actually spyware in itself -
it installs some of the very stuff you get it to remove!
How in the world do people think that someone can release FREE software?
Uh-huh - it's supported by marketing and advertising - "spyware" that it
installs.
EVEN spyware removers in some cases install adware and spyware!

There is pretty much no such thing are REAL free software.
And in some cases, software from vendors you trust installs such stuff,
however, on the other hand, some is FALSLY detected as "spyware". I've
seen keyboard drivers from Dell falsly found as spyware, and people in
thier zeal to rid the world of spyware often falsly accuse such software,
but once it's on the web as spyware, facts lose out.
Anti-spyware software sometimes is a bit agressive in what it finds.
Some of this stuff is simply checking for updates, checking in with a host
web site to see if new drivers and software is available.

Others, such as those so-called "Free" toolbars, skins for IE, search
utilities (such as Google desktop search, Yahoo desktop search, etc.)
contain real spyware.
Google desktop search sent our security people into a real frenzy when a
lady here installed it and it started hitting on every server in the
state, attempting to login as administrator! We now no longer allow ANY
search toolbars. They are pretty much a joke anyway, there is always
another way without installing adware and spyware.
The only anti-spyware I really trust is spybot search and destroy. This
guy really HATES spyware with a passion and has dedicated years of his
life to removing it. I've run many packages and this one routinly finds
stuff the others don't, however, none is perfect!
The "wintools" package is one of the hardest in the world to find and REMOVE.
It uses tactics that should be ILLEGAL!
CWSHREDDER is pretty much the only automatic way to get rid of it. I once
spent over an hour removing it from a system - it runs multiple threads
that don't show up in services or process lists. Kill a file and running
hidden processes rebuild it again before your eyes.

Anyway, if this WAS a good product, you can bet Microsoft will ruin it and
make it LESS effective. They have a great history of that. They even
managed to ruin the anti-virus they licensed from Norton/Symantec years
ago.

Like when Microsoft bought the Hoover Vacuum company - the first time in
history one of their products didn't suck.  :-)

A joke, ok?

Anyway, just posting this stuff as knowing all about it is part of my job
with the state and it helps me to learn and keep up in an area that
changes by the hour.

Bill



> Hi Guys
> Apparently MS acquired this software from a 3rd party and are now
> developing it.
> Don't know why anyone would think the statement related to YOUR computer
> was "shonky".
> It was made in good faith. Several of my friends have tried it, and in
> most cases it has found spyware, even though they ran various other anti -
> spyware programmes.
> There is no compulsion to try it. Choice is yours.Unfortunately I do not
> get any commission from MS.
> I sent the message out of a desire to help others.
> Brian Taylor
> Hervey Bay Historical Museum
> 13 Zephyr St..Scarness
> Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jan 11 06:09:13 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:09:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules pistons and bores.
Message-ID: <41E3DE09.3070807@imc-group.com>

Have some questions about the smallest Herc pistons and bores.

On the 1 1/2 - 2 HP Herc was the bore exactly 3.250 when new?

Measuring an old piston (some wear?) the following measurements are found:
Dia. Skirt is 3.243 (.007 clearance to bore)
Dia. Land 3 is 3.238 ( -.005, .012 clearance to bore)
Dia. Land 2 is 3.236 ( -.007, .014 clearance)
Dia. at Top is 3.232  ( -.011, .018 clearance)

Do these clearances seem right for a bore of this size?

This engine has been bored to 3.264 (or .014 oversized). I have made a 
new piston for it and am wondering if I should simply take the old 
piston measurments and add .014 to each measurement, or if I should make 
some changes.

A long time ago someone posted an old chart showing the correct step 
dimensions to compensate for higher temperatures at the crown of the 
piston. Is that information still around? Glenn, do you happen to have 
any old Hercules information on clearances and steps for these pistons?

Looking forward to your thoughts and comments.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC




    




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jan 11 05:59:46 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:59:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Spyware & Freeware
In-Reply-To: <56993.165.206.180.118.1105449359.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
References: <00b801c4f7d8$732026a0$7ac4dccb@pcuser>
	<56993.165.206.180.118.1105449359.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501110842320.96243@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Bill,

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote:

> Watch out - some "anti-spyware" out there is actually spyware in itself -
> it installs some of the very stuff you get it to remove!
> How in the world do people think that someone can release FREE software?
> Uh-huh - it's supported by marketing and advertising - "spyware" that it
> installs.
> EVEN spyware removers in some cases install adware and spyware!

Interesting comment.  Can you provide some specific examples?

> There is pretty much no such thing as REAL free software.

I beg to differ.  http://www.tucows.com and http://www.gnu.net

These are a couple of the oldest and most widely used resources on the
net.  Gnu software is nearly universal in the Unix and Linux worlds.

Do any of these ring a bell?  Adobe Reader, Irfan View, Spybot,
Ad-Aware, Linux, etc.  There's even a widely used term to describe it;
"Freeware".

I think in a fit of Messianic zeal, you may have over-generalized.
Despite the popularity of the expression TANSTAAFL, _sometimes_ there is.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jan 11 06:05:13 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:05:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Spyware & Freeware (Correction)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501110904110.96243@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Bill,

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote:

> Watch out - some "anti-spyware" out there is actually spyware in itself -
> it installs some of the very stuff you get it to remove!
> How in the world do people think that someone can release FREE software?
> Uh-huh - it's supported by marketing and advertising - "spyware" that it
> installs.
> EVEN spyware removers in some cases install adware and spyware!

Interesting comment.  Can you provide some specific examples?

> There is pretty much no such thing as REAL free software.

I beg to differ.  http://www.tucows.com and http://www.gnu.org

These are a couple of the oldest and most widely used resources on the
net.  Gnu software is nearly universal in the Unix and Linux worlds.

Do any of these ring a bell?  Adobe Reader, Irfan View, Spybot,
Ad-Aware, Linux, etc.  There's even a widely used term to describe it;
"Freeware".

I think in a fit of Messianic zeal, you may have over-generalized.
Despite the popularity of the expression TANSTAAFL, _sometimes_ there is.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From glenn.karch at gte.net  Tue Jan 11 06:35:18 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:35:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Hercules pistons and bores.
References: <41E3DE09.3070807@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <002201c4f7ea$c7eb21a0$2829ea41@oemcomputer>

Curt,

As far as I can tell, the bore on the small blocks was at 3.25.  I have had
several rebored and sleeved to 3.25 and any piston I used worked out OK.
There is no technical Hercules info available as far I know in regard to the
piston info you asked about, and there is no one left to ask.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 8:09 AM
Subject: [SEL] Hercules pistons and bores.


> Have some questions about the smallest Herc pistons and bores.
>
> On the 1 1/2 - 2 HP Herc was the bore exactly 3.250 when new?
>
> Measuring an old piston (some wear?) the following measurements are found:
> Dia. Skirt is 3.243 (.007 clearance to bore)
> Dia. Land 3 is 3.238 ( -.005, .012 clearance to bore)
> Dia. Land 2 is 3.236 ( -.007, .014 clearance)
> Dia. at Top is 3.232  ( -.011, .018 clearance)
>
> Do these clearances seem right for a bore of this size?
>
> This engine has been bored to 3.264 (or .014 oversized). I have made a
> new piston for it and am wondering if I should simply take the old
> piston measurments and add .014 to each measurement, or if I should make
> some changes.
>
> A long time ago someone posted an old chart showing the correct step
> dimensions to compensate for higher temperatures at the crown of the
> piston. Is that information still around? Glenn, do you happen to have
> any old Hercules information on clearances and steps for these pistons?
>
> Looking forward to your thoughts and comments.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From Frank at lbpinc.com  Tue Jan 11 07:07:18 2005
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:07:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spyware & Freeware (Correction)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501110904110.96243@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501110904110.96243@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20050111094106.03730730@MAIL1.THEBOOK.COM>

Alert. I am agreeing with Arnie.

I have been trying to get a friend to either buy Adobe reader or use one of 
the free writers.  He says all free stuff has virus.  There is just no 
convincing him.

The oldest free ware I know of is PK Zip.  (I am not sure it still is,  I 
bought a commercial version of it some time ago.

TClockEx   is a handy program that I always have running.

Here is one that I think Arnie will like
http://www.web-ee.com/Downloads/Calculator/V41R8.exe

And here is one for Dave.
http://www.softslide.com/downloads/k_and_e_slide_rule.exe

Frank

At 09:05 AM 1/11/2005, you wrote:

>Hi Bill,
>
>On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote:
>
> > Watch out - some "anti-spyware" out there is actually spyware in itself -
> > it installs some of the very stuff you get it to remove!
> > How in the world do people think that someone can release FREE software?
> > Uh-huh - it's supported by marketing and advertising - "spyware" that it
> > installs.
> > EVEN spyware removers in some cases install adware and spyware!
>
>Interesting comment.  Can you provide some specific examples?
>
> > There is pretty much no such thing as REAL free software.
>
>I beg to differ.  http://www.tucows.com and http://www.gnu.org
>
>These are a couple of the oldest and most widely used resources on the
>net.  Gnu software is nearly universal in the Unix and Linux worlds.
>
>Do any of these ring a bell?  Adobe Reader, Irfan View, Spybot,
>Ad-Aware, Linux, etc.  There's even a widely used term to describe it;
>"Freeware".
>
>I think in a fit of Messianic zeal, you may have over-generalized.
>Despite the popularity of the expression TANSTAAFL, _sometimes_ there is.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jan 11 07:21:13 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:21:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Spyware & Freeware
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501110842320.96243@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <00b801c4f7d8$732026a0$7ac4dccb@pcuser>
	<56993.165.206.180.118.1105449359.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0501110842320.96243@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <58027.165.206.180.118.1105456873.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

Yes, Arnie - you hit the nail...........
I failed to recall the gnu and public domain stuff.
I guess I should say "beware, not all is free that appears to be free".

It will take some time, but I can get some examples........
There are warnings out there in several anti-spyware forums.

As far as "other" software that says it's free but is underhanded about it
- bearshare used to install some really nasty stuff, and allowed you to
uncheck the boxes, but it installed ANYWAY.

Adobe gets you by saying "we'll set the standards and give you a FREE
reader, but the software to create such files is really crazy expensive.
There is also a solution there as well, a truly free gnu PDF creating
tool. It's hairy complex to use, but free and creates really nice small
PDF files.

Thanks for the correctoins - points taken.

Bill

> Hi Bill,
>
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote:
>
>> Watch out - some "anti-spyware" out there is actually spyware in itself
>> -
>> it installs some of the very stuff you get it to remove!
>> How in the world do people think that someone can release FREE software?
>> Uh-huh - it's supported by marketing and advertising - "spyware" that it
>> installs.
>> EVEN spyware removers in some cases install adware and spyware!
>
> Interesting comment.  Can you provide some specific examples?
>
>> There is pretty much no such thing as REAL free software.
>
> I beg to differ.  http://www.tucows.com and http://www.gnu.net
>
> These are a couple of the oldest and most widely used resources on the
> net.  Gnu software is nearly universal in the Unix and Linux worlds.
>
> Do any of these ring a bell?  Adobe Reader, Irfan View, Spybot,
> Ad-Aware, Linux, etc.  There's even a widely used term to describe it;
> "Freeware".
>
> I think in a fit of Messianic zeal, you may have over-generalized.
> Despite the popularity of the expression TANSTAAFL, _sometimes_ there is.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jan 11 07:24:41 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:24:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Spyware & Freeware (Correction)
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20050111094106.03730730@MAIL1.THEBOOK.COM>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501110904110.96243@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6.0.1.1.0.20050111094106.03730730@MAIL1.THEBOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <58033.165.206.180.118.1105457081.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

Not ALL "free" stuff has nasties - WinMX is clean.......... Bearshare is -
or WAS filthy dirty.
Spybot Search & Destroy is clean and good.
Firefox is a lean mean, and clean, browser. And Free.

Just beware.........

Since there are now alternatives to the Adobe products, I find them slow,
lame and inflated. I'm switching to alternatives. They are no longer the
only show in town, and their PDF creating software is horribly expensive
and bloated and not all that reliable compared to alternatives.

bilL

> Alert. I am agreeing with Arnie.
>
> I have been trying to get a friend to either buy Adobe reader or use one
> of
> the free writers.  He says all free stuff has virus.  There is just no
> convincing him.
>
> The oldest free ware I know of is PK Zip.  (I am not sure it still is,  I
> bought a commercial version of it some time ago.
>
> TClockEx   is a handy program that I always have running.
>
> Here is one that I think Arnie will like
> http://www.web-ee.com/Downloads/Calculator/V41R8.exe
>
> And here is one for Dave.
> http://www.softslide.com/downloads/k_and_e_slide_rule.exe
>
> Frank
>
> At 09:05 AM 1/11/2005, you wrote:
>
>>Hi Bill,
>>
>>On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote:
>>
>> > Watch out - some "anti-spyware" out there is actually spyware in
>> itself -
>> > it installs some of the very stuff you get it to remove!
>> > How in the world do people think that someone can release FREE
>> software?
>> > Uh-huh - it's supported by marketing and advertising - "spyware" that
>> it
>> > installs.
>> > EVEN spyware removers in some cases install adware and spyware!
>>
>>Interesting comment.  Can you provide some specific examples?
>>
>> > There is pretty much no such thing as REAL free software.
>>
>>I beg to differ.  http://www.tucows.com and http://www.gnu.org
>>
>>These are a couple of the oldest and most widely used resources on the
>>net.  Gnu software is nearly universal in the Unix and Linux worlds.
>>
>>Do any of these ring a bell?  Adobe Reader, Irfan View, Spybot,
>>Ad-Aware, Linux, etc.  There's even a widely used term to describe it;
>>"Freeware".
>>
>>I think in a fit of Messianic zeal, you may have over-generalized.
>>Despite the popularity of the expression TANSTAAFL, _sometimes_ there is.
>>
>>See ya,  Arnie
>>
>>Arnie Fero
>>Pittsburgh, PA
>>fero_ah at city-net.com
>>_______________________________________________
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>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jan 10 22:55:34 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:55:34 +1100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
In-Reply-To: <47693.165.206.180.118.1105370799.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <200501111555.j0BFtRji021777@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi Bill,
	A friend of mine has been using it on dial-up from a lap-top and
said it does work but there is a little bit more of a delay and a little
break up.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----
I just rebuilt a computer that will handle it, however, what about dial-up
- will it work with that? ( can connect at about 45K on a good day.
It's the ONLY option we country folks have around here.
There is no cable service, no DSL of any sort and people around here with
satellite Internet say it isn't any better than dial-up in these parts.
Will it work with that?

If so, I wonder about running it from a notebook with a wireless
connection to my dial-up network, then I could talk from any room.......
without cords at all (other than carrying around the notebook).

(not that anyone would care to listen to me....)

Bill





From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Jan 11 08:07:08 2005
From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:07:08 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine
Message-ID: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10120EA95@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>

Richard,

You ought to be subscribing to Western Antique Iron Trader ;-)
We advertised one in the June 2002 issue.

George Best
www.irontrader.com 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Allen
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 8:39 PM
> To: Stationary Engine List
> Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine
> 
> I have been trying to find a small bench top size 
> maypole-type braiding machine run by a hand crank or 
> fractional horsepower electric motor.
> The so-called maypole braid is what is used for making shoe 
> laces, braided polypropylene utility rope, braided leather 
> bolo neck ties, police whistle neck lanyards, key ring 
> lanyards, whips, and other such items. The braid is round and 
> hollow (shoelaces are flattened by ironing them), and always 
> composed of even numbers of flat or round lacing braided 
> under and over each other, not twisted as for rope.
> Other examples are the braided steel wire reinforcing for 
> high pressure hydraulic hoses, the shielding braid on coaxial 
> TV-VCR cable, garden hose reinforcing, etc. I hope those are 
> enough examples to get across the idea of what kind of 
> machine I am looking for. The commercial machines are 
> manufactured by Wardwell and sell for about as much as a new 
> car and are capable of making miles of braid per day, but I 
> neither need nor can afford one of those. I know the hand 
> operated ones exist because one of my childhood neighbors had 
> one for braiding leather bullwhips. I have done exhaustive 
> Internet searches and have been looking on eBay and other 
> places for both new and antique machines for several years 
> and the results I get are rumors that the only places where 
> they regularly show up is at antique engine/equipment shows. 
> If anyone runs across the whereabouts of one of these elusive 
> maypole/whip braiding machines, please email me at:
> 
> linstrum55 at yahoo.com
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Richard Allen
> 
> 
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From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jan 11 09:10:00 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:10:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine/now Volvo tractor
In-Reply-To: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10120EA95@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10120EA95@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
Message-ID: <41E40868.8030605@imc-group.com>

George,
Just for the heck of it I looked at the June 02 classified section and 
the tractor listing. At the bottom is a listing for a Volvo tractor! 
Ref: (Volvo tractor, 1957, new paint & tires;(Indio CA))
I have seen several Porsche tractors but never a Volvo tractor. Anybody 
got a picture of one?
This is a plowing tractor and not an over the road tractor, right???
Curt


George Best wrote:

>Richard,
>
>You ought to be subscribing to Western Antique Iron Trader ;-)
>We advertised one in the June 2002 issue.
>
>George Best
>www.irontrader.com 
>
>  
>



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jan 11 09:24:42 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:24:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Looking for whip braiding machine
In-Reply-To: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10120EA95@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10120EA95@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501111223440.96243@vegeta.city-net.com>

George,

S&M Quarterly does too.  8->>

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, George Best wrote:

> You ought to be subscribing to Western Antique Iron Trader ;-)
> We advertised one in the June 2002 issue.


From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jan 11 09:43:18 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:43:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules pistons and bores.
In-Reply-To: <41E3DE09.3070807@imc-group.com>
References: <41E3DE09.3070807@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <41E41036.7040909@imc-group.com>

Hey guys,
I found the clearance spec sheet that someone posted several years ago 
in the archives. I just put it on my website if anyone else wants it.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PistonClearances/PistSpec.jpg
or  
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PistonClearances/PistSpec.tif
Curt

Curt wrote:

> Have some questions about the smallest Herc pistons and bores.
>
> On the 1 1/2 - 2 HP Herc was the bore exactly 3.250 when new?
>
> Measuring an old piston (some wear?) the following measurements are 
> found:
> Dia. Skirt is 3.243 (.007 clearance to bore)
> Dia. Land 3 is 3.238 ( -.005, .012 clearance to bore)
> Dia. Land 2 is 3.236 ( -.007, .014 clearance)
> Dia. at Top is 3.232  ( -.011, .018 clearance)
>
> Do these clearances seem right for a bore of this size?
>
> This engine has been bored to 3.264 (or .014 oversized). I have made a 
> new piston for it and am wondering if I should simply take the old 
> piston measurments and add .014 to each measurement, or if I should 
> make some changes.
>
> A long time ago someone posted an old chart showing the correct step 
> dimensions to compensate for higher temperatures at the crown of the 
> piston. Is that information still around? Glenn, do you happen to have 
> any old Hercules information on clearances and steps for these pistons?
>
> Looking forward to your thoughts and comments.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
>
>
>
>   
>
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From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Tue Jan 11 09:52:43 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (diesel at easynet.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:52:43 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine/now Volvo tractor
In-Reply-To: <41E40868.8030605@imc-group.com>
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10120EA95@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
	<41E40868.8030605@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <1105465963.41e4126b3051a@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk>

Quoting Curt <curt at imc-group.com>:

> George,
> Just for the heck of it I looked at the June 02 classified section and 
> the tractor listing. At the bottom is a listing for a Volvo tractor! 
> Ref: (Volvo tractor, 1957, new paint & tires;(Indio CA))
> I have seen several Porsche tractors but never a Volvo tractor. Anybody 
> got a picture of one?
> This is a plowing tractor and not an over the road tractor, right???
> Curt

Curt:

There is a long history of tractors within Volvo as a group.

Year ago, Bolinders (Two brothers in Sweden who made semi-diesel marine and 
stationary engines) merged with Munktell, who made tractors and suchlike.

The resultant company, BM or Bolinder-Munktell went on that way until Volvo 
bought them up back a while, and the agricultural and earth-moving stuff always 
had 'Volvo-BM' on the badges up until very recently, if not today.

There are loads of links, this one gives most of the detail:

http://www.volvo.com/constructionequipment/global/en-gb/volvogroup/history/
the+company/AB+Bolinder-Munktell.htm

Sorry if that link word-wraps.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk
Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Jan 11 10:08:35 2005
From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:08:35 -0800
Subject: [SEL] now Volvo tractor
Message-ID: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10120EB19@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>

 Curt,

Not uncommon at all to see a Volvo tractor at one of the western shows.
Most of them are red and are a utility or general purpose farm tractor.
I think they are a 2 or 3 plow size tractor.

I probably have a picture or two of a Volvo tractor at home, I'll look
to see if I can locate one for you.

George

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 9:10 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding 
> machine/now Volvo tractor
> 
> George,
> Just for the heck of it I looked at the June 02 classified 
> section and the tractor listing. At the bottom is a listing 
> for a Volvo tractor! 
> Ref: (Volvo tractor, 1957, new paint & tires;(Indio CA)) I 
> have seen several Porsche tractors but never a Volvo tractor. 
> Anybody got a picture of one?
> This is a plowing tractor and not an over the road tractor, right???
> Curt
> 
> 
> George Best wrote:
> 
> >Richard,
> >
> >You ought to be subscribing to Western Antique Iron Trader ;-) We 
> >advertised one in the June 2002 issue.
> >
> >George Best
> >www.irontrader.com
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jan 11 10:30:01 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:30:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
In-Reply-To: <200501111555.j0BFtRji021777@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <47693.165.206.180.118.1105370799.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
	<200501111555.j0BFtRji021777@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <59385.165.206.180.118.1105468201.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

Thanks - sounds like it's worth a try.

BiLL

> Hi Bill,
> 	A friend of mine has been using it on dial-up from a lap-top and
> said it does work but there is a little bit more of a delay and a little
> break up.
> Patrick
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> I just rebuilt a computer that will handle it, however, what about dial-up
> - will it work with that? ( can connect at about 45K on a good day.
> It's the ONLY option we country folks have around here.
> There is no cable service, no DSL of any sort and people around here with
> satellite Internet say it isn't any better than dial-up in these parts.
> Will it work with that?
>
> If so, I wonder about running it from a notebook with a wireless
> connection to my dial-up network, then I could talk from any room.......
> without cords at all (other than carrying around the notebook).
>
> (not that anyone would care to listen to me....)
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jan 11 10:36:20 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:36:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT - car question and favor.....
In-Reply-To: <41E41036.7040909@imc-group.com>
References: <41E3DE09.3070807@imc-group.com> <41E41036.7040909@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <59392.165.206.180.118.1105468580.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

Not related to SE's, however at this time, it probably is.

I'm considering a 1970 Mark Donohue Javelin on eBay that's located in
Broad Brook, Connecticut.

Is there anyone here in that neighborhood?
I don't think it's worth flying out there to take a look and tha auction
ends in FOUR days, so time is _everything_ here.

I'd like to know what it really looks like, condition of seats and
interior, tires, clutch, etc. Is there rust in the trunk or floor or
around the back glass?
(fenders and doors can be replaced)
..........if anyone is willing to help me out, that is........

So far, the price is "ok" for what can be seen on a computer screen but I
suspect it will rise very quickly very soon......... AMC people tend to
wait then bid crazy high prices - and these MD's are quite rare cars.

Maybe someday I can return the favor, now that we are no longer tied down
with a quilt store...................

Bill Dickerson
Runnells, IA (in the ice belt of the US)


From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Jan 11 11:39:36 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:39:36 EST
Subject: [SEL] Omaha, OT
Message-ID: <149.3ca53984.2f158578@aol.com>

Anyone live in Omaha, NE 68127?  I am considering buying a shotgun from there 
and sort of reluctant to buy sight unseen other than pictures.  Also 
money/gun transfer another issue.

Thanks,

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Tue Jan 11 13:59:33 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:59:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Hercules pistons and bores.
In-Reply-To: <41E41036.7040909@imc-group.com>
References: <41E3DE09.3070807@imc-group.com> <41E41036.7040909@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <4ui8u09dkr7uh00hskh49333g6keguh80f@4ax.com>

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:43:18 -0500, you wrote:

>Hey guys,
>I found the clearance spec sheet that someone posted several years ago 
>in the archives. I just put it on my website if anyone else wants it.
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PistonClearances/PistSpec.jpg
>or  
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PistonClearances/PistSpec.tif
>Curt
>
>Curt wrote:
>
>> Have some questions about the smallest Herc pistons and bores.
>>
>> On the 1 1/2 - 2 HP Herc was the bore exactly 3.250 when new?
>>
>> Measuring an old piston (some wear?) the following measurements are 
>> found:
>> Dia. Skirt is 3.243 (.007 clearance to bore)
>> Dia. Land 3 is 3.238 ( -.005, .012 clearance to bore)
>> Dia. Land 2 is 3.236 ( -.007, .014 clearance)
>> Dia. at Top is 3.232  ( -.011, .018 clearance)
>>
>> Do these clearances seem right for a bore of this size?
>>
>> This engine has been bored to 3.264 (or .014 oversized). I have made a 
>> new piston for it and am wondering if I should simply take the old 
>> piston measurments and add .014 to each measurement, or if I should 
>> make some changes.
>>
>> A long time ago someone posted an old chart showing the correct step 
>> dimensions to compensate for higher temperatures at the crown of the 
>> piston. Is that information still around? Glenn, do you happen to have 
>> any old Hercules information on clearances and steps for these pistons?
>>
>> Looking forward to your thoughts and comments.
>> Curt Holland
>> Gastonia, NC

I have scanned the Hepolite Piston Service Manual page with the recommended
clearances for various piston types and materials:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/Piston1Red.jpg

There are also ring clearance details as well.

It is quite a high res scan, but not the original, that was 19mb!

Peter

--
Peter & Rita Forbes
Email Address:
diesel at easynet.co.uk
Web Pages for Engine Preservation:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Jan 11 15:38:23 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:38:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SAFETY AND SECURITY PROGRAM OFFERED BY MICROSOFT
In-Reply-To: <61549.167.142.22.193.1105411632.squirrel@167.142.22.193>
References: <005801c4f778$6c9692c0$fcc5dccb@pcuser>
	<41E336AC.4010107@optusnet.com.au>
	<61549.167.142.22.193.1105411632.squirrel@167.142.22.193>
Message-ID: <E21B847E-6429-11D9-9E10-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

It found a couple of things that were browser hijackers designed to 
post popups on my office PC, that weren't found by Spybot Search & 
Destroy (which hasn't had its database updated in months) or Adaware 
SE.

John

On Jan 10, 2005, at 9:47 PM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote:

> Won't find a thing on mine - I run spybot search and destroy, SAV 9.02
> Enterprise edition, plus being very security aware, as part of our 
> state
> department security team...... I try to not let such things get to me.
> Besides, MS stuff is always second rate compared to 3rd party products.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Tue Jan 11 17:37:49 2005
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:37:49 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Spyware 
In-Reply-To: <00b801c4f7d8$732026a0$7ac4dccb@pcuser>
References: <00b801c4f7d8$732026a0$7ac4dccb@pcuser>
Message-ID: <41E47F6D.60400@optusnet.com.au>

G'day Brian,

Sorry if my natural caution was misplaced. It was just that the 
reference to "trying it on YOUR computer" is one of the ploys used by 
the wicked of this world.

I have since had a look at your museum site. I used to know this area 
very well - as kids we always took our holidays at my Aunt's beach house 
at 22 Zephyr Street, Scarness. In later life I couldn't even find the 
house - it was beside a little gully, but has since disappeared!

But I will return! (Now living in Perth)

Apologies again

Jack Watson
nadejack at optusnet.com.au
================

Brian Taylor wrote:

>Hi Guys
>Apparently MS acquired this software from a 3rd party and are now developing it.
>Don't know why anyone would think the statement related to YOUR computer was "shonky".
>It was made in good faith. Several of my friends have tried it, and in most cases it has found spyware, even though they ran various other anti - spyware programmes.
>There is no compulsion to try it. Choice is yours.Unfortunately I do not get any commission from MS.
>I sent the message out of a desire to help others.
>Brian Taylor
>Hervey Bay Historical Museum
>13 Zephyr St..Scarness
>Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html
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>
>  
>




From rustyiron at bigpond.com  Tue Jan 11 08:05:01 2005
From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:05:01 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Magneto Lucas Sr1
References: <001f01c4f797$227aebe0$7ac4dccb@pcuser>
Message-ID: <006a01c4f7f7$5bc2eaa0$a976fea9@ibmbnh186c>

Hi Brian, Sounds like the Maggy is stuffed alright, more than likely the
coil. I have manuals for the SR1, if you want I can e-mail them to you, let
me know? The best person to talk to about these type of Magneto's is Alan
Johnson "The Maggyman"
http://home.rbm.com.au/maggyman/

Andy Nicholson
Exmouth W.A.
Oz.
rustyiron at bigpond.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Taylor" <brianne at ultratune.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 12:36 PM
Subject: [SEL] Magneto Lucas Sr1


Hi Guys
This query is related to the railway people mover I mentioned last week.
The Wisconsin engine is a AENLD, not as I first thought ABNLD.
Good news, engine is not seized.
Bad news, pulley drive assembly probably incorporating some kind of
centrifugal clutch is seized.

I am a bit perplexed about the magneto (Lucas SR1) on the Wisconsin engine
we are restoring.
It would appear that the SR1 is a self contained high tension magneto, not
requiring external power.
The high tension wire from the mag was connected to the spark plug.
The black low tension wire from within the mag was tucked away down one side
internally and not connected at all.(Did this used to be connected to
points?)
The low tension wire connected to the points appears to have been extended
and was connected to one side of an automotive type coil. There was no wire
to the other side of the coil and neither was there an HT lead from coil
tower.
My suspicion is that the mag low tension side was defective and that the low
tension power to the points was supplied via the ign coil. Other wires may
have been removed at some stage.
Does anyone have a description of the Lucas SR1 mag operating principles at
all?
Any help appreciated
Brian Taylor
Hervey Bay Historical Museum
13 Zephyr St..Scarness
Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jan 11 20:35:47 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:35:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] SAFETY AND SECURITY PROGRAM OFFERED BY MICROSOFT
In-Reply-To: <E21B847E-6429-11D9-9E10-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <200501120435.j0C4ZqF0031267@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

John,

It's also a matter of knowing what you are installing, where you are
visiting, and checking the "typical launch points" now and then. I've caught
things myself that the spy search apps have not, again, a matter of know
what should and what should not be there.
When you are snooping the Windows registry nearly daily on dozens of
computers, and looking at hard drives every week, you soon have a feel for
what isn't right. 
No database in the world can make up for that. 
It's like finding viruses using the definition ("fingerprint") method, or
the heuristics method - the first only works if you know what it looks like,
not if it's brand new. The latter, although it takes more horsepower, is
better for unknowns and new threats. Or finding a terrorist..............if
you don't know what he looks like, but know how one might act.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 5:38 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] SAFETY AND SECURITY PROGRAM OFFERED BY MICROSOFT

It found a couple of things that were browser hijackers designed to post
popups on my office PC, that weren't found by Spybot Search & Destroy (which
hasn't had its database updated in months) or Adaware SE.

John

On Jan 10, 2005, at 9:47 PM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote:

> Won't find a thing on mine - I run spybot search and destroy, SAV 9.02 
> Enterprise edition, plus being very security aware, as part of our 
> state department security team...... I try to not let such things get 
> to me.
> Besides, MS stuff is always second rate compared to 3rd party products.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA

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From gibsongus at myway.com  Tue Jan 11 22:21:02 2005
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:21:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Mixer
Message-ID: <20050112062102.D13523972@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 I was moving a Cushman cub 3hp from the shed out back and broke the needle valve off the carb. any body out there that mite have an extra one lying around that they would sell me???-----------------GusWhittier, CA

_______________________________________________
No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.
Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com


From ignitors at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 11 22:27:23 2005
From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:27:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT. this all I need to hear
Message-ID: <001901c4f86f$c7cd8610$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>

xxxxx xxxxxxxxx has a patented "controlled cavitation" technology called 
ShockWave Power.. Cavitation

is normally considered a "destructive force" that one needs to eliminate 
from an industrial process.

However, cavitation can be applied in a controlled manner to mix or heat 
fluids that are difficult to process

by conventional technologies. The ShockWave Power. technology was evaluated 
as a method to improve

efficiency of black liquor oxidation, and to heat high solids content and 
difficult to process black liquor

without scaling. In this study black liquor was subjected to controlled 
cavitation by pumping it through a

mechanical device called the ShockWave PowerTM generator.

The ShockWave Power generator is designed to create microscopic cavitation 
bubbles by spinning a disc

containing numerous cavities in a tightly enclosed area. As the microscopic 
bubbles implode, shock waves

are released. This action converts mechanical energy into heat that is 
directly absorbed by the liquid.

Additionally, controlled cavitation produces efficient micromixing, for 
two-phase fluids. The cavitational

forces created are capable of breaking down large gas bubbles into 
microscopic bubbles as well as breaking

down the Van der Waals attraction between liquid molecules. Consequently, 
the surface area available for

gas-liquid mixing is dramatically increased and therefore enhances mass 
transfer.

Economics derived from this study indicate there are numerous opportunities 
for using controlled cavitation

in kraft pulp mills. Such applications include:

1. An alternative to low odor conversion of the recovery boiler

. Allows mills with direct contact evaporators to meet TRS limits

. Eliminates the expense of a low odor boiler conversion

2. Extended black liquor oxidation to increase recovery boiler capacity

. Reduces the gross heating value of the organic matter in kraft black 
liquor

. A low capital cost method of incrementally increasing black liquor 
processing

capacity and/or pulp production

3. Increased production efficiencies due to preheating and deactivation of 
concentrated black

liquor

. For high solids content (high viscosity) black liquors, the rate of heat 
transfer is not

limited by a film heat transfer coefficient that decreases as viscosity 
increases.

. For black liquors with a propensity to deposit scale on heat transfer 
surfaces, it

means no heat transfer scaling problems because there are no heat transfer 
surfaces

to scale.

Therefore, controlled cavitation can be characterized as a "breakthrough 
technology" with the potential to

achieve quantum improvements in certain pulp and paper operations.




From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jan 11 22:45:03 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:45:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mixer
In-Reply-To: <20050112062102.D13523972@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20050112062102.D13523972@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050112013635.102bad50@mail.alltel.net>

At 01:21 AM 1/12/2005, you wrote:
>  I was moving a Cushman cub 3hp from the shed out back and broke the 
> needle valve off the carb. any body out there that mite have an extra one 
> lying around that they would sell me???-----------------GusWhittier, CA

Hi Gus,
         I'm sure no Cushman Cub expert, but may have whet you need. There 
seems to be two adjusting screws (ie needle valves) on the parts engine 
that I have. The first one (ie the one nearest the intake is missing) but 
the inside one is there. Is that the one that you need? Can you send me a 
picture off List?
         Dace 



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 11 16:13:23 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:13:23 -0000
Subject: [SEL] OT but amusing
Message-ID: <003f01c4f83b$89179700$8c9f0952@no1>

I hope this translates to US ok. Passed on from the UK engine group.

AIR COMPRESSOR:
A machine that takes energy produced in a power station 200 miles away
and transforms it into compressed air that travels by hose to a
pneumatic impact wrench that grips rusty bolts last tightened 60 years
ago by someone in Birmingham, and either breaks or rounds them off.

ANGLE GRINDER:
When used to just take off that tiny burr - effectively turns a
perfectly painted panel into a surface resembling that of 30 grade
sandpaper. If a wire wheel is attached, can also be used by the more
extreme body mutilation aficionados, and for riot control those sharp
little wires shoot off in every direction and, at amazing speed.

BALL-PEEN HAMMER:
Interestingly, when first discovered in a cave by Fransco de Gama in
1602, the ball-peen hammer was useless, as the peen had not yet been
invented. Now used by those with steady hands to swat flies. Also used
as a universal centre-punch.

BATTERY HYDROMETER:
A handy tool for transferring sulphuric acid from a boat battery to
the inside of your toolbox after determining that your battery is dead
as a doornail, just as you thought.

BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR:
A tool that snaps off in bolt holes and is ten times harder than any
known drill bit.

CIRCLIP PLIERS:
Used to prise the lids off paint tins. Works better, if you snap off
those silly little nibs that fit circlips.

CROWBAR:
A tool used todestroy the metal surrounding that tiny clip or bracket
you needed to remove in order to replace a 50p part.

DRILL PRESS:
A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal stock
out of your hands so that it can then smack you in the chest at approx
3000rpm.

ELECTRIC DRILL:
Normally used for spinning Pop rivets in their holes until you die of
old age.

GASKET SCRAPER:
Theoretically useful as a tool for stirring tea or spreading
mayonnaise, however, used mainly for getting duck-crap off your boat.

HACKSAW:
One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board principle.
It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable motion, and
the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your
future becomes.

JUNIOR HACKSAW:
As above but less predictable.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as
a kind of divining rod to locate expensive parts not far from the
object we are trying to hit. Also used for bending nails. If used
properly, nail will bend, then fire itself across the room, as it is
now useless anyway.

HYDRAULIC JACK:
Used for lowering a car to the ground after you have restored your
brakes, trapping the jack handle firmly under the bumper.

EIGHT-FOOT LONG 4x2:
Used for levering a car upward off a hydraulic jack.

TWEEZERS:
A tool for removing wood splinters.

PHONE:
Tool for calling your neighbour to see if he has another hydraulic
jack.

LEAD-LIGHT:
The mechanic's own tanning booth. Sometimes called a drop light, it is
a good source of vitamin D, "the sunshine vitamin," which is not
otherwise found under engine hatches at night. Health benefits aside,
its main purpose is to consume 60-watt light bulbs at about the same
rate that 105-mm howitzer shells might be used during, say, the first
few hours of the Battle of the Bulge. More often dark than light, its
name is somewhat misleading.

MOLE WRENCH:
Used to round off bolt heads and to transfer intense welding heat to
the palm of your hand.

OXY-ACETYLENE TORCH:
Used almost entirely for igniting various flammable objects in your
garage. However, is also capable of causing the prone user to get out
from underneath the engine bay at the speed of light, when the white
hot blob of braze won't take on the exhaust silencer, you were hoping
might last another week or two, and eventually falls on your chest.

PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER:
Normally used to stab the lids of old-style tin oil cans and splash
oil on your shirt; can also be used, as the name implies, to round out
Phillips screw heads.

PLIERS:
Used to round off bolt heads.

SCREWDRIVER:
Device used for opening beer cans. Also serves as a chisel. Primarily
used for removing excess skin from palm and making random gouges in
things.

SILVER SOLDER:
Although this item was designed before the invention of plastic, its
main intention is as a replacement for twist-ties. Also used to prove
the "no two snowflakes" theory when melted above finished floors. It
has been said that Pershing used solder to practice bombing raids on
cockroaches.

STANLEY KNIFE:
Used to open and slice through the contents of cardboard cartons
delivered to your front door; works particularly well on boxes
containing custom made leather goods. Also used to cut hoses 1 inch
too short.

STAPLING GUN:
Invented by Charles Atlas for developing the forearm. This tool should
never be used for trying to attach one item to another, as staples are
not made in that size.

SU ADJUSTING SPANNER:
Teeny 1 1/2" long mini-spanner; drop into the inaccessible recesses of
your engine-bay, to simulate that vintage intermittent rattling noise.
If you don't want that vintage sound, it can easily be retrieved, see
under two-ton hydraulic engine hoist.

TIMING LIGHT:
A stroboscopic instrument for illuminating rust or grease build-up.

TIN SNIPS:
See hacksaw.

TWO-TON HYDRAULIC ENGINE HOIST:
A handy tool for testing the tensile strength of earth-straps and
other lines e.g. fuel you may have forgotten to disconnect prior to
removing engine.

16-INCH SCREWDRIVER:
A large engine-mount prying tool that inexplicably has an accurately
machined screwdriver tip on one end and no handle on the other.

WHITWORTH SPANNERS:
Once used for working on older cars and boats, they are now used
mainly for impersonating that 9/16 or any other you've been searching
for the last 15 minutes, end result similar to that of impact wrench
(see top of page)

WIRE WHEEL:
Cleans rust off old bolts and then throws them somewhere under the
workbench with the speed of light. Also removes fingerprint whorls and
hard-earned guitar callouses in about the time it takes you to say,
"Ouch...." See also angle grinder.

CHEMICAL SECTION:

GUNK:
Invented by Forrest Gunk. Gunks' primary component is mayonnaise, but
perfume and lanolin are added to make mechanics hands soft and lovely.
Also used for lubricating pipe fittings, and for getting rags dirty.
Do not eat. Once applied to skin, Gunk never comes off.

IMPACT ADHESIVE:
Used for removing the slots between your fingers.

LACQUER THINNER:
Used to cool skin. Also used to make lacquer useless. This chemical
was invented by E.I. DuPont de NeMours for the purpose of making
money. Creative mechanics often use lacquer thinner to tie-die
trousers while wearing them.

MINERAL SPIRITS:
Aka paint thinner, enamel thinner, used for wetting metal parts. Also
used for adhering paint brushes to containers. (Note: process takes
approx. one month in an open container) This chemical can be used in
place of any other chemical with reduced efficiency.

SILICON WAX:
Used to ensure that paint will never, ever adhere, ever again, or if
used by seasoned proffessionals can produce the most amazing "orange
peel" type finish.

WD40:
Deceptive oil-like substance, for making rusting parts rust faster,
but smell nice.

Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 11 10:29:00 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:29:00 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine/now Volvo tractor
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10120EA95@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
	<41E40868.8030605@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <001401c4f80b$6c7ff3b0$8c9f0952@no1>

Hi Curt, See http://www.witham-sv.com/vehicles/240.jpg
http://www.tractorpulling.nl/foto/merken/volvo/jpg/vo0810ds.jpg
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.iol.ie/~manister/tractortrouble/volvobm470.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.iol.ie/~ma
nister/tractortrouble/tractorx7c2.html&h=168&w=258&sz=30&tbnid=o1z9vYoxoqUJ:&tbnh=69&tbnw=105&start=73&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dvolvo%2B
tractor%26start%3D60%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine/now Volvo tractor


> George,
> Just for the heck of it I looked at the June 02 classified section and
> the tractor listing. At the bottom is a listing for a Volvo tractor!
> Ref: (Volvo tractor, 1957, new paint & tires;(Indio CA))
> I have seen several Porsche tractors but never a Volvo tractor. Anybody
> got a picture of one?
> This is a plowing tractor and not an over the road tractor, right???
> Curt
>
>
> George Best wrote:
>
> >Richard,
> >
> >You ought to be subscribing to Western Antique Iron Trader ;-)
> >We advertised one in the June 2002 issue.
> >
> >George Best
> >www.irontrader.com
> >
> >
> >
>
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 11 13:40:23 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:40:23 -0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
References: <47693.165.206.180.118.1105370799.squirrel@165.206.180.118><200501111555.j0BFtRji021777@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<59385.165.206.180.118.1105468201.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <000c01c4f826$2951f820$8c9f0952@no1>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 6:30 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype


> Thanks - sounds like it's worth a try. BiLL

Hi Bill, I have made friends with a 70 year old Texan university professor.
A week ago he called me on Skype from his laptop.
He was sat by the sidewalk outside Starbucks coffee house in Las Vegas &
he was using a Wi-Fi connection.
I was amazed as I could hear a cab start nearby & passers by walking & talking.
(I don't know the cost of a Wi-Fi link but he isn't short of $'s) 8^)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From ignitors at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 12 04:50:17 2005
From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 06:50:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT. this all I need to hear
References: <001901c4f86f$c7cd8610$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>
Message-ID: <001e01c4f8a5$45d6e4e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>

Hydro Dynamics

Ted Brookover
4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
816-763-3142
ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm

This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ted Brookover" <ignitors at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 12:27 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT. this all I need to hear


> xxxxx xxxxxxxxx has a patented "controlled cavitation" technology called 
> ShockWave Power.. Cavitation
>
> is normally considered a "destructive force" that one needs to eliminate 
> from an industrial process.
>
> However, cavitation can be applied in a controlled manner to mix or heat 
> fluids that are difficult to process
>
> by conventional technologies. The ShockWave Power. technology was 
> evaluated as a method to improve
>
> efficiency of black liquor oxidation, and to heat high solids content and 
> difficult to process black liquor
>
> without scaling. In this study black liquor was subjected to controlled 
> cavitation by pumping it through a
>
> mechanical device called the ShockWave PowerTM generator.
>
> The ShockWave Power generator is designed to create microscopic cavitation 
> bubbles by spinning a disc
>
> containing numerous cavities in a tightly enclosed area. As the 
> microscopic bubbles implode, shock waves
>
> are released. This action converts mechanical energy into heat that is 
> directly absorbed by the liquid.
>
> Additionally, controlled cavitation produces efficient micromixing, for 
> two-phase fluids. The cavitational
>
> forces created are capable of breaking down large gas bubbles into 
> microscopic bubbles as well as breaking
>
> down the Van der Waals attraction between liquid molecules. Consequently, 
> the surface area available for
>
> gas-liquid mixing is dramatically increased and therefore enhances mass 
> transfer.
>
> Economics derived from this study indicate there are numerous 
> opportunities for using controlled cavitation
>
> in kraft pulp mills. Such applications include:
>
> 1. An alternative to low odor conversion of the recovery boiler
>
> . Allows mills with direct contact evaporators to meet TRS limits
>
> . Eliminates the expense of a low odor boiler conversion
>
> 2. Extended black liquor oxidation to increase recovery boiler capacity
>
> . Reduces the gross heating value of the organic matter in kraft black 
> liquor
>
> . A low capital cost method of incrementally increasing black liquor 
> processing
>
> capacity and/or pulp production
>
> 3. Increased production efficiencies due to preheating and deactivation of 
> concentrated black
>
> liquor
>
> . For high solids content (high viscosity) black liquors, the rate of heat 
> transfer is not
>
> limited by a film heat transfer coefficient that decreases as viscosity 
> increases.
>
> . For black liquors with a propensity to deposit scale on heat transfer 
> surfaces, it
>
> means no heat transfer scaling problems because there are no heat transfer 
> surfaces
>
> to scale.
>
> Therefore, controlled cavitation can be characterized as a "breakthrough 
> technology" with the potential to
>
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From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 12 05:36:08 2005
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 05:36:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Maypole/whip braider-Thanks
Message-ID: <20050112133608.55951.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi, George Best & Arnie Fero, 

I just got back from checking out the Western Antique Iron Trader and
it looks like the place to keep an eye on.

Thanks!

Richard Allen


From gibsongus at myway.com  Wed Jan 12 17:30:27 2005
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:30:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Mixer
Message-ID: <20050113013027.4EA433971@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 Thanks Dave, but it broke off part of the mixer where the jam nut screws on.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Wed 01/12, Dave Rotigel &lt; rotigel at alltel.net &gt; wrote:
From: Dave Rotigel [mailto: rotigel at alltel.net]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:45:03 -0500Subject: Re: [SEL] MixerAt 01:21 AM 1/12/2005, you wrote:&gt; I was moving a Cushman cub 3hp from the shed out back and broke the &gt; needle valve off the carb. any body out there that mite have an extra one &gt; lying around that they would sell me???-----------------GusWhittier, CAHi Gus,I'm sure no Cushman Cub expert, but may have whet you need. There seems to be two adjusting screws (ie needle valves) on the parts engine that I have. The first one (ie the one nearest the intake is missing) but the inside one is there. Is that the one that you need? Can you send me a picture off List?Dace _______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From rdi at rochester.rr.com  Wed Jan 12 17:39:54 2005
From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:39:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Taylor Vacuum Engine- webpage
Message-ID: <000a01c4f910$c871a320$92b5a918@rochester.rr.com>

Howdy, SEL folks!

I got a Taylor Vacuum Engine "for Christmas", and have put up a web page
about it and my progress in getting it running. This is my first old engine-
it's a 2 HP Type C.

I finally figured out what was wrong with my Wico magneto on New Years' Eve,
and got my first spark at 12:10 AM! What a way to start the year!

The web page is at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/

-Rick
near Rochester, NY



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Jan 12 17:51:59 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:51:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need to make a contact
Message-ID: <41E5D43F.2080707@scrtc.com>

Does anyone have a phone number for Larry Lueke (not sure about 
spelling)?  I don't have his phone number here and thought I could get 
it from Rick Rohrs but when I dial Rick's number I get a recording the 
number has been changed.  Please contact me off list.  Thanks.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY






From alkamminga at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 11 22:31:00 2005
From: alkamminga at hotmail.com (Al Kamminga)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:31:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine
In-Reply-To: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10120EA95@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
Message-ID: <BAY21-F15B19C20FB58CFD2A9BE37C9890@phx.gbl>



>Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine
>
 >I have been trying to find a small bench top size
 >maypole-type braiding machine run by a hand crank or
 >fractional horsepower electric motor.
 >The so-called maypole braid is what is used for making shoe
 > laces, braided polypropylene utility rope, braided leather
 > bolo neck ties, police whistle neck lanyards, key ring
 > lanyards, whips, and other such items. The braid is round and
 > hollow (shoelaces are flattened by ironing them), and always
 > composed of even numbers of flat or round lacing braided
 > under and over each other, not twisted as for rope.
 > Other examples are the braided steel wire reinforcing for
 > high pressure hydraulic hoses, the shielding braid on coaxial
 > TV-VCR cable, garden hose reinforcing, etc. I hope those are
 > enough examples to get across the idea of what kind of
 > machine I am looking for. The commercial machines are
 > manufactured by Wardwell and sell for about as much as a new
 > car and are capable of making miles of braid per day, but I
 > neither need nor can afford one of those. I know the hand
 > operated ones exist because one of my childhood neighbors had
 > one for braiding leather bullwhips. I have done exhaustive
 > Internet searches and have been looking on eBay and other
 > places for both new and antique machines for several years
 > and the results I get are rumors that the only places where
 > they regularly show up is at antique engine/equipment shows.
 > If anyone runs across the whereabouts of one of these elusive
 > maypole/whip braiding machines, please email me at:
 >
 > linstrum55 at yahoo.com
 >
 > Richard Allen

Hi.  Benn a long time since I replied to anyone or anything here.  I have 3 
New England Butt (now made by Wardwell) braiders.  Two are round braiders 
with 16 carriers, the other is a flat braider with 17 cdarriers.  One of 
them has a Pat. Date of 1883, the other two are about 1896 or 1898.  I use a 
small electric motor to run them as turning them using the hand crank 
severly takes away time from talking to people.  There is someone at every 
show wants to buy the machines and I have been told to name my price.  No, I 
am not ready to sell them, it is too much fun to show them.

Yes, they make shoe laces and all those other things.  I make laces in 
school colors and usually sell some at shows and word of mouth.  Round braid 
is round but flat braid is flat and never was round.  It is not a flattened 
round braid.  I will be happy to send you a sample of each.  Flat braiders 
always have an odd number of threads while round braiders have an even 
number.  The braid pattern of 2 over, 2 under is the same on both machines.  
I run them very slow so as not to make miles a day and give people the 
opportunity to see how they work.  I get a yard of braid every 2 minutes or 
so.  There is always a crowd around my display.  Most days I never get lunch 
or a break.

Let me know if I can answer any questions.

Al Kamminga
alkamminga at hotmail.com
DeMotte Indiana
formally of Bettendorf Iowa

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From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Jan 12 19:35:18 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:35:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Taylor Vacuum Engine- webpage
In-Reply-To: <000a01c4f910$c871a320$92b5a918@rochester.rr.com>
References: <000a01c4f910$c871a320$92b5a918@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050112222458.1037cc98@mail.alltel.net>

At 08:39 PM 1/12/2005, you wrote:
>Howdy, SEL folks!
>I got a Taylor Vacuum Engine "for Christmas", and have put up a web page
>about it and my progress in getting it running. This is my first old engine-
>it's a 2 HP Type C.
>I finally figured out what was wrong with my Wico magneto on New Years' Eve,
>and got my first spark at 12:10 AM! What a way to start the year!
>The web page is at:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/
>-Rick
>near Rochester, NY

Hi Rick,
         Very nicely done. You have taught all of us what to look for and 
"do' with a first engine. I'm going to keep a copy of your page to 
show/pass out to people who ask me about acquiring an engine--THANKS! You 
should be real proud of your "first" engine--believe me more will follow! 
The "mystery bolt" is indeed a set screw for tightening the mixer. Please 
keep the page updated and let us know when you add something to it.
         Dave 



From glenn.karch at gte.net  Wed Jan 12 19:44:48 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:44:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Taylor Vacuum Engine- webpage
References: <000a01c4f910$c871a320$92b5a918@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c4f922$3e430380$0229ea41@oemcomputer>

Hey Rick,

I just looked at your web page.  You done good.  Before long you will be a
pro.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick I." <rdi at rochester.rr.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 7:39 PM
Subject: [SEL] Taylor Vacuum Engine- webpage


> Howdy, SEL folks!
>
> I got a Taylor Vacuum Engine "for Christmas", and have put up a web page
> about it and my progress in getting it running. This is my first old
engine-
> it's a 2 HP Type C.
>
> I finally figured out what was wrong with my Wico magneto on New Years'
Eve,
> and got my first spark at 12:10 AM! What a way to start the year!
>
> The web page is at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/
>
> -Rick
> near Rochester, NY
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jan 13 05:20:31 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:20:31 EST
Subject: [SEL] Taylor Vacuum Engine- webpage
Message-ID: <1ec.3248da25.2f17cf9f@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/12/2005 9:00:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rdi at rochester.rr.com writes:

<< I got a Taylor Vacuum Engine "for Christmas", and have put up a web page
 about it and my progress in getting it running >>


Rick, 

 Very nice history of your first engine and assessment of what to look for 
and how to figure out what is wrong/missing.  Loosen bolt question.  Number one 
is patience!  Try to turn each way.  Peck on head with a hammer.  Soak with 
penetrant.  Do each day.  Great way is with heat from torch heating very hot, 
let cool.  Make take several iterations.  Since your engine is painted may not 
want to go this route.  Also do not use on the gas tank for obvious reasons! 

Keep up the nice web pages!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From oldengin at udata.com  Thu Jan 13 06:15:07 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:15:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine
In-Reply-To: <BAY21-F15B19C20FB58CFD2A9BE37C9890@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY21-F15B19C20FB58CFD2A9BE37C9890@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41E6826B.2040601@udata.com>

Al Kamminga wrote:

>
>
>
> Let me know if I can answer any questions.
>
> Al Kamminga
> alkamminga at hotmail.com
> DeMotte Indiana
> formally of Bettendorf Iowa
>
Al, let me know what shows you are doing this year as I would love to 
see one of these units up close.. Nice story, any pics of your different 
machines?

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jan 13 07:30:36 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:30:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <41E6826B.2040601@udata.com>
References: <BAY21-F15B19C20FB58CFD2A9BE37C9890@phx.gbl>
	<41E6826B.2040601@udata.com>
Message-ID: <15676.165.206.180.118.1105630236.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

I'm thinking of buying a car in CT.
Nothing certain and even if I try, no guarentee I'd get it, however, I'm
trying to plan.
I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning the
terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.

Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa area and
can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path from here
to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)

Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton 4x4, gas
usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13 mpg)
I'm hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive back in
about 3 days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks, etc.

(I'm also hoping I can talk my son or someone into going along for comic
releif)

bilL
Runnells, Iowa


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jan 13 07:41:42 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:41:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine
In-Reply-To: <41E6826B.2040601@udata.com>
References: <BAY21-F15B19C20FB58CFD2A9BE37C9890@phx.gbl>
	<41E6826B.2040601@udata.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501131039590.16197@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Leroy,

Have a care what you wish for.  Al has some of the most amazing machines!
But, BE WARNED, looking underneath to watch 'em work will make you dizzy!!
8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Leroy C. wrote:

> Al Kamminga wrote:
> >
> > Let me know if I can answer any questions.
> >
> > Al Kamminga
> > alkamminga at hotmail.com
> > DeMotte Indiana
> > formally of Bettendorf Iowa
> >
> Al, let me know what shows you are doing this year as I would love to
> see one of these units up close.. Nice story, any pics of your different
> machines?


From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Thu Jan 13 08:33:53 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:33:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <15676.165.206.180.118.1105630236.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <20050113163353.65306.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com>

Bill

I have a 4hp Engine (1000 lbs)in Maine that needs to come back west...to
Chicago...I do have plans in the works to get it to the Portland Swap or
CPM in June if nothing else works before then...

Steve
--- bill at antique-engines.com wrote:

I'm thinking of buying a car in CT.
Nothing certain and even if I try, no guarentee I'd get it, however, I'm
trying to plan.
I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning the
terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.
 
Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa area and
can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path from here
to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)
 
Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton 4x4, gas
usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13 mpg) I'm
hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive back in about 3
days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks, etc.
 
(I'm also hoping I can talk my son or someone into going along for comic
releif)

bilL
Runnells, Iowa



From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jan 13 08:39:33 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:39:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501131039590.16197@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <BAY21-F15B19C20FB58CFD2A9BE37C9890@phx.gbl>
	<41E6826B.2040601@udata.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0501131039590.16197@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <17149.165.206.180.118.1105634373.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

I've been setup across from Al's braiding machines and they are a
mechanical marvel - and you get dizzy if you try to figure them out while
they are running!

I have some pics somewhere.............

Bill

> Hi Leroy,
>
> Have a care what you wish for.  Al has some of the most amazing machines!
> But, BE WARNED, looking underneath to watch 'em work will make you dizzy!!
> 8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Leroy C. wrote:
>
>> Al Kamminga wrote:
>> >
>> > Let me know if I can answer any questions.
>> >
>> > Al Kamminga
>> > alkamminga at hotmail.com
>> > DeMotte Indiana
>> > formally of Bettendorf Iowa
>> >
>> Al, let me know what shows you are doing this year as I would love to
>> see one of these units up close.. Nice story, any pics of your different
>> machines?
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jan 13 08:57:50 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:57:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <20050113163353.65306.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <15676.165.206.180.118.1105630236.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
	<20050113163353.65306.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <17449.165.206.180.118.1105635470.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

Interesting thought - keep this all in mind.
How far is the engine from Broad Brook, CT?
Time will be short - I'll be taking few breaks as I have LITTLE vacation,
but this is interesting..............
1,000# would be nothing...... (except for loading and unloading!!!)

Bill

> Bill
>
> I have a 4hp Engine (1000 lbs)in Maine that needs to come back west...to
> Chicago...I do have plans in the works to get it to the Portland Swap or
> CPM in June if nothing else works before then...
>
> Steve
> --- bill at antique-engines.com wrote:
>
> I'm thinking of buying a car in CT.
> Nothing certain and even if I try, no guarentee I'd get it, however, I'm
> trying to plan.
> I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
> Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning the
> terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.
>
> Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa area and
> can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path from here
> to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)
>
> Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton 4x4, gas
> usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13 mpg) I'm
> hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive back in about 3
> days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks, etc.
>
> (I'm also hoping I can talk my son or someone into going along for comic
> releif)
>
> bilL
> Runnells, Iowa
>
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From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Thu Jan 13 10:36:24 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:36:24 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
Message-ID: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com>

Hi Bill,
I have covered that route as far as the PA Turnpike where it swings south 
toward Pittsburgh.  Interstate 80 in Illinois is in pretty good shape.  You will 
fine that, when you are towing a trailer your speed limit is 55 mph.  If your 
dolly is in the truck, you can run 65 on your way out.  Illinois does have 
plenty of state troopers.

The nastiest part of the run is trying to get past Chicago.  Try to avoid the 
"rush" hour traffic, and be particularly careful as you are on the East side 
of Chicago and have to turn right to follow I 80 as there are some rough spots 
there.

This time of year, snow can come off the lake in an instant.  Good luck.

Regards,
Ron Carroll (enjoying 66 degrees F here in Nokesville, Virginia, today)
PS:  You might make it in three days, but I would take four.

In a message dated 1/13/2005 10:39:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
bill at antique-engines.com writes:
I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning the
terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.

Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa area and
can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path from here
to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)

Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton 4x4, gas
usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13 mpg)
I'm hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive back in
about 3 days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks, etc.


From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Thu Jan 13 11:45:32 2005
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:45:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c4f9a8$751949b0$0301a8c0@ALEC>

Hi,
 The 80 route is fine. I go from Portland to Portland via rt.90/80 and drop
down in In. to the show, It is 1000 miles. I can do it in 17 hrs( 21 with
jams, slow going)  , fully loaded, I am always fully loaded on the way back
because I sold the junk I took out there and replaced it with new junk,,,,,
 You will get 9.3 miles to the gallon on the way home, just and "edecated"
guess,
Let me know if you can take Steve's engine along

Alec J. Stevens
Investment Specialist
80 Leighton Road, Suite C
Falmouth, ME 04105
(800)842-6669
(207)797-5169
(207)797-2819
>
>> bill at antique-engines.com writes:
> I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
> Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning the
> terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.
>
> Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa area and
> can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path from here
> to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)
>
> Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton 4x4, gas
> usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13 mpg)
> I'm hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive back in
> about 3 days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks, etc.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>
>




From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 13 12:14:52 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:14:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c4f9ac$8d495120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>


> I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
> Connecticut is nearly 19 hours.

Always cross refference Mapquest . It aint even close to perfect .
 I banged in an addy for a TX A&M auditorium to go see Pepe Romero and the
symphony ,
hopped in the truck and sped away.. it sent me to the other side of Corpus
After driving like Bullitt , we made it with about 30 seconds to spare .

Have found numerous errors over time , mostly when it gets down to a
physical address .
zip to zip they always get



From yostsw at atis.net  Thu Jan 13 12:30:34 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:30:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re[2]: Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <200501101930.j0AJUpuB089452@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200501101930.j0AJUpuB089452@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <200501131530340500.045F2509@heavyiron.atis.net>

Interestingly but predictably, my personal mail ran like this:
Participants said "Thank you" and the non-participants said "How dare you!"

Having had a couple days to calm down, I find that I can't calm down and am
actually still quite upset about all of this.   Allow me to answer
everyone's email and then I will drop the subject and not speak of it
again:

>In short, if you don't want everyone's opinion, don't ask for it.
>

I use the lists as a convenience for reaching auction participants, and
have done so every year.   This year is no different

>Having read this one and the latest post today, I am a little puzzled
>by your comments.
>

Shouldn't be puzzled.  I was very explicit - I am not singling out any one
person.   The problem was the sheer number of posts from non-participants -
It outnumbered participants.   The non-participant opinions were in the
decided minority in previous years so I over-looked it.  Since it was an
aberration in previous years it wasn't a problem; but you can bet I think
it is a problem now that it is the rule and not an aberration.


(I received this message personally, but hid his identity and am responding
publicly because he brings up a point that I want to make clear to
everyone.)
>To Spencer:
>Whether you intended it or not, it sounds like you're talking about
charity
>contributions as a condition of participation on the ...lists...
>


No, it is not a requirement for participation in the lists.  However,
having said that, participation is a simple favor that I and the volunteers
have asked of each of you in recognition of the efforts of ATIS volunteers
and myself.  Considering you would be buying parts and manuals and engines
and tools you would normally buy anyways or donating stuff you would
normally give away to friends, this is not a big sacrifice nor a big favor
to ask.   On top of that, if for some reason anyone really thinks that all
of this should be totally and utterly free, without even so much of a
thank-you, I would simply hope these folks would acknowledge they have no
right to say a _thing_ about the proceeds of that auction.

...snip...
>If you bring volunteers together to help with something, don't let them
>stand around. Make sure you have a precise list of things that need to be
>done and let them get right to work (learned from working as a volunteer
>and with volunteers at our local club)
>

As for volunteers - I gave up years ago.   Over time it always whittles
back to the same 12 volunteers.  If it weren't for those dozen people (you
all know who you are - Thanks!), I wouldn't get ANY help and can't keep
going back to that trough for more water.


>Spencer,
>...many times the people who tell you that what you are
>doing is a bad idea are your best friends and in fact have your best
>interest in mind.

Again - I was very specific.  I am not mad about the tsunami idea - I
actually have no feeling one way or another.  It is just a few charities
called and said there is a tremendous need so I floated the idea.   I have
no problem donating elsewhere.  My beef with list members is NOT about the
tsunami relief ( where the money goes is immaterial to me, as long as it
does some good).  It is about a BUNCH of people failing to acknowledge a
debt of gratitude to my volunteers and myself and then talking out of turn
and dis-respecting those that have participated.  

>
>...If maybe you promoted it more...
>

I refuse to be a constant cheerleader, coercing everyone to do just one
little thing a year that LEAVES THE cheer-ees in a better position.   If
you can't figure out it is in your best interest I am not going to point it
out.  I want nothing to do with someone that needs to be cajoled to do a
friend, who provides a free service, a favor by participating in an auction
that leaves that person better off AND helps those less fortunate.   

This is a corporate symptom of a collective unwillingness to acknowledge a
debt of gratitude is owed to a dedicated group of volunteers that make this
site and lists possible.  Most amazing part of this whole deal is this
auction, for the most part and for most people, leaves you better off.
There are no free lunches but the lunches at the ATIS counter are as cheap
as they get and if its too expensive for you, then you can't afford tractor
or engine talk.

I feel the worst most of the volunteers who right think their contribution
doesn't matter to anyone.   Right now, I am inclined to agree.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net



From BillMil357 at aol.com  Thu Jan 13 12:32:39 2005
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:32:39 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT Condolance messages.
Message-ID: <104.5882eb04.2f1834e7@aol.com>

Hey Everyone,
 
I want to thank you people that sent condolence messages concerning the  
death of my oldest brother, I was up in Evansville, Indiana at the Funeral Home  
and (guess who walked in) Glenn Karch (Hercules Historian) came by to show his  
respect, and Glenn that sure did mean a lot to me, it helped to make the day 
a  little easier and I thank you for it.
 
See ya,
 
Bill Miller
Memphis, TN. 


From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 13 13:52:43 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:52:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
References: <BAY21-F15B19C20FB58CFD2A9BE37C9890@phx.gbl><41E6826B.2040601@udata.com>
	<15676.165.206.180.118.1105630236.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <00b301c4f9be$260b8c50$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>

Hi Bill,

I live just North of  Danbury, CT and travel to OH, IND and Ill a couple of 
times a year.  The first time I tried map Quest it routed me thru New YUK 
which I avoid with a passion. I take I-84 West to I-81 South at Scranton PA 
.  I-81 takes me to I-80. This way I avoid all the bad city traffic and 
associated bridges. I take I-80 to I-76 / I 71 South  to I-70 with out any 
tolls. You won't go this way but it, but it takes 12 hours to go to Dayton, 
OH. and 13 to get to Cincinnati ,where I am now.

If you need a place to stay in CT, I have a couple of empty bed rooms.

Ed Stoller


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:30 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info


> I'm thinking of buying a car in CT.
> Nothing certain and even if I try, no guarentee I'd get it, however, I'm
> trying to plan.
> I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
> Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning the
> terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.
>
> Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa area and
> can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path from here
> to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)
>
> Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton 4x4, gas
> usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13 mpg)
> I'm hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive back in
> about 3 days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks, etc.
>
> (I'm also hoping I can talk my son or someone into going along for comic
> releif)
>
> bilL
> Runnells, Iowa
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 13 14:02:00 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:02:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com> <004b01c4f9a8$751949b0$0301a8c0@ALEC>
Message-ID: <00b401c4f9be$2913c340$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>

Alec,
9.3 MPG. What are you running? I am getting ready to buy a new truck and am 
expecting 20 MPG with a Cummings and automatic. Am I nuts? I was thinking of 
4x4 but am thinking a 2x4 will get better milage and will be closer to the 
ground to load garden tractors.

Ed Stoller
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alec Stevens" <ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info


> Hi,
> The 80 route is fine. I go from Portland to Portland via rt.90/80 and drop
> down in In. to the show, It is 1000 miles. I can do it in 17 hrs( 21 with
> jams, slow going)  , fully loaded, I am always fully loaded on the way 
> back
> because I sold the junk I took out there and replaced it with new 
> junk,,,,,
> You will get 9.3 miles to the gallon on the way home, just and "edecated"
> guess,
> Let me know if you can take Steve's engine along
>
> Alec J. Stevens
> Investment Specialist
> 80 Leighton Road, Suite C
> Falmouth, ME 04105
> (800)842-6669
> (207)797-5169
> (207)797-2819
>>
>>> bill at antique-engines.com writes:
>> I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
>> Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning the
>> terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.
>>
>> Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa area and
>> can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path from 
>> here
>> to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)
>>
>> Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton 4x4, 
>> gas
>> usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13 mpg)
>> I'm hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive back in
>> about 3 days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks, etc.
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From oldiron at charter.net  Thu Jan 13 15:05:15 2005
From: oldiron at charter.net (OldIron)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:05:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine
In-Reply-To: <41E6826B.2040601@udata.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c4f9c4$58fd5480$6401a8c0@myron>

I saw this bra1ding machine at Butterfield Minnesota show last year.

Is this what you are looking for.
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009686&a=31591309&f=
This fellow ran a hit and miss to do its spinning. Show string is being made in the
photo's

Myron Busch
Northfield Minnesota. -5.9 degrees and dropping Wind chill -34 degrees. 



> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-
> engine.com] On Behalf Of Leroy C.
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 8:15 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine
> 
> Al Kamminga wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > Let me know if I can answer any questions.
> >
> > Al Kamminga
> > alkamminga at hotmail.com
> > DeMotte Indiana
> > formally of Bettendorf Iowa
> >
> Al, let me know what shows you are doing this year as I would love to
> see one of these units up close.. Nice story, any pics of your different
> machines?
> 
> --
> 		C-ya
> 
> 		  Leroy Clark
> 
> "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
>             W.A. NANCE
> 
> 
> better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 13 15:22:02 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:22:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine
References: <001a01c4f9c4$58fd5480$6401a8c0@myron>
Message-ID: <008c01c4f9c6$b08a21e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>

I have a shot of a hand cranked chicken wire weaving machine I will email to
anyone that axts for one .



> I saw this bra1ding machine at Butterfield Minnesota show last year.
>
> Is this what you are looking for.
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009686&a=31591309&f=
> This fellow ran a hit and miss to do its spinning. Show string is being
made in the
> photo's
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jan 13 15:39:48 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:39:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <00b401c4f9be$2913c340$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com> <004b01c4f9a8$751949b0$0301a8c0@ALEC>
	<00b401c4f9be$2913c340$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>
Message-ID: <41E706C4.7080607@scrtc.com>

Ed,

    I have had 3 Dodge Pickups with Cummins engines.  The best I have 
gotten on any of them is 22.5 mpg.  That was the bare truck, empty bed, 
tailgate down, cruse set on 70, non stop interstate driving.  If you are 
going to pull a trailer and you get a 4 X 4, don't expect 20 mpg.  I 
would guess more like 14 to 15.  The truck I have now has the Cummins 
and is a 2 WD.  Pulling a trailer with 6,500 lbs behind it will lug me 
down to about 16 mpg.   I'd go the automatic route.  They're built 
pretty stout and seem to hold up well behind the Cummins.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky



Ed Stoller wrote:

> Alec,
> 9.3 MPG. What are you running? I am getting ready to buy a new truck 
> and am expecting 20 MPG with a Cummings and automatic. Am I nuts? I 
> was thinking of 4x4 but am thinking a 2x4 will get better milage and 
> will be closer to the ground to load garden tractors.
>
> Ed Stoller
>



From clemsweller at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 13 16:38:00 2005
From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:38:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <00b401c4f9be$2913c340$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>
Message-ID: <001201c4f9d1$4f526ee0$0100a8c0@chuckvmzoexd2q>

I have a 2004 Dodge Cummins 4x4 with an automatic.  Running highway, I
get 21mpg.  When I load it with my 18 foot trailer to pull to shows, it
drops to 18mgp.  

Chuck Emsweller

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed Stoller
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:02 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info

Alec,
9.3 MPG. What are you running? I am getting ready to buy a new truck and
am 
expecting 20 MPG with a Cummings and automatic. Am I nuts? I was
thinking of 
4x4 but am thinking a 2x4 will get better milage and will be closer to
the 
ground to load garden tractors.

Ed Stoller
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alec Stevens" <ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info


> Hi,
> The 80 route is fine. I go from Portland to Portland via rt.90/80 and
drop
> down in In. to the show, It is 1000 miles. I can do it in 17 hrs( 21
with
> jams, slow going)  , fully loaded, I am always fully loaded on the way

> back
> because I sold the junk I took out there and replaced it with new 
> junk,,,,,
> You will get 9.3 miles to the gallon on the way home, just and
"edecated"
> guess,
> Let me know if you can take Steve's engine along
>
> Alec J. Stevens
> Investment Specialist
> 80 Leighton Road, Suite C
> Falmouth, ME 04105
> (800)842-6669
> (207)797-5169
> (207)797-2819
>>
>>> bill at antique-engines.com writes:
>> I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
>> Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning
the
>> terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.
>>
>> Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa area
and
>> can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path from

>> here
>> to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)
>>
>> Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton
4x4, 
>> gas
>> usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13 mpg)
>> I'm hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive back
in
>> about 3 days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks, etc.
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 13 17:27:41 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:27:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
References: <001201c4f9d1$4f526ee0$0100a8c0@chuckvmzoexd2q>
Message-ID: <003601c4f9d8$3f874ba0$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>

Thank you Tommy, Ron , Chuck and all.

Your input is of great value. My brother Al from Sunrise Beach, MO has a 
1994 and he has been coaching me. I go to the Cummins plant tomorrow for a 
tour of where they build them. My son John used to make the computer code 
for the road tractor engines and suggested that I may have Cummins customize 
the engine calibration settings to my needs like they do on road tractors. 
The guys with Chevy's are having the computer chips ( PROMs changed.)  Al 
also put me on to the www.turbodeiselregister.com site, but it is under 
maintenance.

I also collect vintage garden tractors and am trying to figure out how to 
drive them up into the truck bed. It is a  lot higher than the trailer I 
have used for years.

Ed Stoller


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "chuck emsweller" <clemsweller at earthlink.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 7:38 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] OT - road trip info


>I have a 2004 Dodge Cummins 4x4 with an automatic.  Running highway, I
> get 21mpg.  When I load it with my 18 foot trailer to pull to shows, it
> drops to 18mgp.
>
> Chuck Emsweller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed Stoller
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:02 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info
>
> Alec,
> 9.3 MPG. What are you running? I am getting ready to buy a new truck and
> am
> expecting 20 MPG with a Cummings and automatic. Am I nuts? I was
> thinking of
> 4x4 but am thinking a 2x4 will get better milage and will be closer to
> the
> ground to load garden tractors.
>
> Ed Stoller
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alec Stevens" <ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info
>
>
>> Hi,
>> The 80 route is fine. I go from Portland to Portland via rt.90/80 and
> drop
>> down in In. to the show, It is 1000 miles. I can do it in 17 hrs( 21
> with
>> jams, slow going)  , fully loaded, I am always fully loaded on the way
>
>> back
>> because I sold the junk I took out there and replaced it with new
>> junk,,,,,
>> You will get 9.3 miles to the gallon on the way home, just and
> "edecated"
>> guess,
>> Let me know if you can take Steve's engine along
>>
>> Alec J. Stevens
>> Investment Specialist
>> 80 Leighton Road, Suite C
>> Falmouth, ME 04105
>> (800)842-6669
>> (207)797-5169
>> (207)797-2819
>>>
>>>> bill at antique-engines.com writes:
>>> I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
>>> Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning
> the
>>> terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.
>>>
>>> Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa area
> and
>>> can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path from
>
>>> here
>>> to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)
>>>
>>> Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton
> 4x4,
>>> gas
>>> usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13 mpg)
>>> I'm hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive back
> in
>>> about 3 days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks, etc.
>>> 


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 13 18:14:24 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:14:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <003601c4f9d8$3f874ba0$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>
Message-ID: <20050114021424.1918.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Ed,

Hey Buddy, I drive a 3/4 ton 2WD Dodge pickup.  I just went to a local trailer supply and bought a
set of metal ramp ends to bolt onto a pair of eight foot treated 2X12s.

I have no problem driving garden tractors up the ramps.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan

--- Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Thank you Tommy, Ron , Chuck and all.
> 
> Your input is of great value.

SNIP
> 
> I also collect vintage garden tractors and am trying to figure out how to 
> drive them up into the truck bed. It is a  lot higher than the trailer I 
> have used for years.
> 
> Ed Stoller



		
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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Thu Jan 13 23:13:16 2005
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:13:16 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <003601c4f9d8$3f874ba0$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>
References: <001201c4f9d1$4f526ee0$0100a8c0@chuckvmzoexd2q>
	<003601c4f9d8$3f874ba0$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>
Message-ID: <YTN8vAXME35BFwEy@loud-n-clear.net>

In message <003601c4f9d8$3f874ba0$0202a8c0 at SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>, Ed 
Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net> writes
>Al also put me on to the www.turbodeiselregister.com site, but it is 
>under maintenance.

Try http://www.turbodieselregister.com/ instead - works for me.

Regards

      Pete
-- 
Peter Scales


From wrl at gwltd.com  Fri Jan 14 04:52:52 2005
From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:52:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
References: <BAY21-F15B19C20FB58CFD2A9BE37C9890@phx.gbl><41E6826B.2040601@udata.com>
	<15676.165.206.180.118.1105630236.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <000f01c4fa37$fa26ab40$0500005a@dave.com>

Bill the only thing I can add to this for you is that, I 80 across
Illinoins, is not as rough as it once was. Lots of it has been replaced, and
there are no tolls on I 80.

I 80 is the only way to go, across Iowa and Illinois.

    Dave Mayfield
Ham Radio Operator
  Tractor Collector
  www.w9wrl.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:30 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info


> I'm thinking of buying a car in CT.
> Nothing certain and even if I try, no guarentee I'd get it, however, I'm
> trying to plan.
> I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
> Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning the
> terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.
>
> Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa area and
> can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path from here
> to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)
>
> Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton 4x4, gas
> usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13 mpg)
> I'm hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive back in
> about 3 days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks, etc.
>
> (I'm also hoping I can talk my son or someone into going along for comic
> releif)
>
> bilL
> Runnells, Iowa
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jan 14 05:12:25 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:12:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] LeSeur Swap Meet
Message-ID: <41E7C539.70505@scrtc.com>

Is the LeSeur, MN swap meet on April 22 - 23, this year?  I've never 
been there and plan on going this year.  What is the best day to go?  
Does nothing happen before Friday or is it like a lot of the swap meets 
in that it "actually" begins about Wed.?  Thanks.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky





From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com  Fri Jan 14 06:16:38 2005
From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:16:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
Message-ID: <45B673EB183FDB4EBEEE0F7E29E387D8F5132F@r2.cncsoftware.com>

Bill,

 Broad Brook is 15 minutes north of Hartford on I-91.  The car is no
more than 10 minutes off the Rt 140 exit.  I travel to the Cleveland
area every year and always take the northern route across Mass and NY on
I-90.  I can get from my parents home, just south of Cleveland to within
15 minutes of the car in about 10 hours with 3 quick pit stops running
about 70 MPH.

I like the I-90 route because it is fairly flat compared with I-80
through PA.  Although this time of year either route can be fraught with
peril because of the weather.  It is a toll road but it's an easy drive
without having to jockey with big trucks as they labor up one side of a
hill and scream down the other.

If you were going to meet someone from Maine to pick up an engine too
you wouldn't be far from I-84 when you were in Broad Brook.  I can help
guide and load if you get to make the trip.

Ken



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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jan 14 06:21:20 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:21:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] 6/1 (Caste Iron Curry Lister)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501140917350.25214@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Would those of you who are happy owners of Caste Iron Curry Listers (John,
Ron, etc.) contact Gary and offer your thoughts on 'em?  If you reply to
the list, please cc Gary as he is NOT on the list.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:20:20 +1100
From: Gary McDonnell <gary at triumphmotorcycles.com.au>
To: fero_ah at city-net.com
Subject: 6/1

Hi Arnie.

I am interested is buying one of the indian lister clone cs 6/1. Can you
advise me wether these are any good.Can you pass on my e-mail to your
members that have bought one .Any info would be usefull.TTFN

GaryMcDonnell.



From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Fri Jan 14 06:54:00 2005
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:54:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com> <004b01c4f9a8$751949b0$0301a8c0@ALEC>
	<00b401c4f9be$2913c340$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>
Message-ID: <00f301c4fa48$e4b1bfa0$0301a8c0@ALEC>

Ed,
 It was a 3/ ton GMC( Good mechanic coming) with a 6.0 gas engine and 3.73
rearend and with 1.5 tons in the bed and a 14' enclosed , 2 axle trailer
with 2 tons more in it , not counting the trailer going well, and we will
say at least going 70, its 9.3 all day long,
I have a new chevy 6.0 gas, 3/4 and it has a 4.10 rearend which is all they
put in them now, I get 10 miles to the gallon, and at 72mph am tacking at
2650-2700 rpms, So now I go slower!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alec J. Stevens
Investment Specialist
80 Leighton Road, Suite C
Falmouth, ME 04105
(800)842-6669
(207)797-5169
(207)797-2819
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Stoller" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info


> Alec,
> 9.3 MPG. What are you running? I am getting ready to buy a new truck and
am
> expecting 20 MPG with a Cummings and automatic. Am I nuts? I was thinking
of
> 4x4 but am thinking a 2x4 will get better milage and will be closer to the
> ground to load garden tractors.
>
> Ed Stoller
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alec Stevens" <ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info
>
>
> > Hi,
> > The 80 route is fine. I go from Portland to Portland via rt.90/80 and
drop
> > down in In. to the show, It is 1000 miles. I can do it in 17 hrs( 21
with
> > jams, slow going)  , fully loaded, I am always fully loaded on the way
> > back
> > because I sold the junk I took out there and replaced it with new
> > junk,,,,,
> > You will get 9.3 miles to the gallon on the way home, just and
"edecated"
> > guess,
> > Let me know if you can take Steve's engine along
> >
> > Alec J. Stevens
> > Investment Specialist
> > 80 Leighton Road, Suite C
> > Falmouth, ME 04105
> > (800)842-6669
> > (207)797-5169
> > (207)797-2819
> >>
> >>> bill at antique-engines.com writes:
> >> I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
> >> Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning the
> >> terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.
> >>
> >> Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa area
and
> >> can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path from
> >> here
> >> to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)
> >>
> >> Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton 4x4,
> >> gas
> >> usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13 mpg)
> >> I'm hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive back in
> >> about 3 days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks, etc.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jan 14 07:14:01 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:14:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <00f301c4fa48$e4b1bfa0$0301a8c0@ALEC>
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com> <004b01c4f9a8$751949b0$0301a8c0@ALEC>
	<00b401c4f9be$2913c340$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>
	<00f301c4fa48$e4b1bfa0$0301a8c0@ALEC>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050114100629.10347d68@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Alec,
         With about the same load and at about the same speed (except when 
I'm following Arnie--at which time we seldom run under 80 mph) I'm getting 
around 17/18 mpg with my 250 Powerstroke. I got 19/20 when it was newer, 
but it now has 183,472.7 miles on it, and like me is getting a bit tired.
         It's only right, however, that I get better mileage than do you. 
After all, you are a rich stock broker/investment specialist and I'm now on 
welfare which is supplemented by my wife's meager salary!
         Dave
PS, 2,100rpms at 70 mph!
>Ed,
>  It was a 3/ ton GMC( Good mechanic coming) with a 6.0 gas engine and 3.73
>rearend and with 1.5 tons in the bed and a 14' enclosed , 2 axle trailer
>with 2 tons more in it , not counting the trailer going well, and we will
>say at least going 70, its 9.3 all day long,
>I have a new chevy 6.0 gas, 3/4 and it has a 4.10 rearend which is all they
>put in them now, I get 10 miles to the gallon, and at 72mph am tacking at
>2650-2700 rpms, So now I go slower!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Alec J. Stevens
>Investment Specialist



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jan 14 07:43:36 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:43:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050114100629.10347d68@mail.alltel.net>
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com>
	<004b01c4f9a8$751949b0$0301a8c0@ALEC>	<00b401c4f9be$2913c340$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>	<00f301c4fa48$e4b1bfa0$0301a8c0@ALEC>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050114100629.10347d68@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <41E7E8A8.8010209@scrtc.com>

Dave,

    Thats why I like you, you tell it like it is (re: Alec).  I think my 
Cummins is just at a fast idle at 65 MPH.  I think its only turning 
about 1700 rpm.  I don't know what the rear end gearing is but know that 
when the trans kicks in OD, the rpms really drop.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Hi Alec,
>         With about the same load and at about the same speed (except 
> when I'm following Arnie--at which time we seldom run under 80 mph) 
> I'm getting around 17/18 mpg with my 250 Powerstroke. I got 19/20 when 
> it was newer, but it now has 183,472.7 miles on it, and like me is 
> getting a bit tired.
>         It's only right, however, that I get better mileage than do 
> you. After all, you are a rich stock broker/investment specialist and 
> I'm now on welfare which is supplemented by my wife's meager salary!
>         Dave
> PS, 2,100rpms at 70 mph!
>
>> Ed,
>>  It was a 3/ ton GMC( Good mechanic coming) with a 6.0 gas engine and 
>> 3.73
>> rearend and with 1.5 tons in the bed and a 14' enclosed , 2 axle trailer
>> with 2 tons more in it , not counting the trailer going well, and we 
>> will
>> say at least going 70, its 9.3 all day long,
>> I have a new chevy 6.0 gas, 3/4 and it has a 4.10 rearend which is 
>> all they
>> put in them now, I get 10 miles to the gallon, and at 72mph am 
>> tacking at
>> 2650-2700 rpms, So now I go slower!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Alec J. Stevens
>> Investment Specialist
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From b2 at chooka.net  Fri Jan 14 08:21:47 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:21:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] LeSeur Swap Meet
References: <41E7C539.70505@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <003401c4fa55$252d5ab0$660a0a0a@apluscomputer.local>

Tommy, others can respond more definitively about the swap meet published 
vs. actual timings.

But I want to make sure you are invited for the ATIS picture at noon on 
Saturday, traditionally taken at the Miller Tire truck, wherever that may 
be.

Point being, allocate a couple of hours to make sure you can find the truck 
before noon on Saturday.  Rogues gallery from past years can be viewed at 
www.apluscomputer.com/atis.

Will be great to finally meet you after these seasons and our 
correspondence, on and off list.

B?
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 7:12 AM
Subject: [SEL] LeSeur Swap Meet


> Is the LeSeur, MN swap meet on April 22 - 23, this year?  I've never been 
> there and plan on going this year.  What is the best day to go?  Does 
> nothing happen before Friday or is it like a lot of the swap meets in that 
> it "actually" begins about Wed.?  Thanks.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, Ky
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Jan 14 08:29:06 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:29:06 EST
Subject: [SEL] 6/1 (Caste Iron Curry Lister)
Message-ID: <42.60a01829.2f194d52@aol.com>

Hi Arnie,
I have been snoozing and don't have Gary's message, so, please forward this 
on to him.
Here's my thoughts on the Caste Iron Curry Listers:  they are much like the 
Harbor Freight lathes and mills in that they are a kit that you should 
disassemble, clean, adjust and reassemble.  Why? Because there likely is sand left 
over from the casting, and, some of the parts may work, but not be well fitted 
and should be touched up for better and longer running.  There are several 
sellers on eBay that will sell a Caste Iron Lister, or, Lister Clone.  None offer 
the CS (cold start) feature so far as I know.  The CS is a variable compression 
device that allows for starting at one compression, then changing to another, 
lower compression for working.  It looks much like the handle on a gate 
valve.  

One of the best sources I know for both information and inspiration on both 
the Caste Iron Listers and, the fine Chinese diesels is 
http://www.utterpower.com/ where George Breckenridge has many examples of both.  George also has put 
together a really nice guide to preparing a Lister Clone for service, showing 
the breakdown, cleanup, and adjustments needed and it is available on CD for a 
small fee.  (I get no kickback, but I really like the copy I bought.)

Please send this along to Gary.  Thanks.
Regards,
Ron Carroll
PS:  Maybe next time we can also talk about the cute little Petters creeping 
out of India.  :>)  Well, some are small, but one is a twin of about 20 HP.
PPS:  I am thinking of bringing in some of the smallest Changfa hopper cooled 
diesels (about 3 1/2 HP) to offer for sale.  Reg showed us his some time 
back, and I found a source to acquire them.  If there is interest, please write 
off list.  Thank you.  


In a message dated 1/14/2005 9:31:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:
Hi Folks,

Would those of you who are happy owners of Caste Iron Curry Listers (John,
Ron, etc.) contact Gary and offer your thoughts on 'em?  If you reply to
the list, please cc Gary as he is NOT on the list.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From prepair at easynet.co.uk  Fri Jan 14 09:16:04 2005
From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:16:04 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050114100629.10347d68@mail.alltel.net>
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com> <004b01c4f9a8$751949b0$0301a8c0@ALEC>
	<00b401c4f9be$2913c340$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>
	<00f301c4fa48$e4b1bfa0$0301a8c0@ALEC>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050114100629.10347d68@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <2cvfu0ldhtt1250en78f2d5b919ahrom7r@4ax.com>

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:14:01 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi Alec,
>         With about the same load and at about the same speed (except when 
>I'm following Arnie--at which time we seldom run under 80 mph) I'm getting 
>around 17/18 mpg with my 250 Powerstroke. I got 19/20 when it was newer, 
>but it now has 183,472.7 miles on it, and like me is getting a bit tired.
>         It's only right, however, that I get better mileage than do you. 
>After all, you are a rich stock broker/investment specialist and I'm now on 
>welfare which is supplemented by my wife's meager salary!
>         Dave
>PS, 2,100rpms at 70 mph!

I think the low rpm on a long journey is much better, both for economy
and for engine life, plus more relaxing.... :-))

We did a full load run to Edinburgh the other week just after Xmas
with the trailer, about 5 tons total, we were getting no problem on
speed and about 24 - 25mpg, going up to 32-33mpg on the return
journey.

That's a smaller engine (2.5 litres or about 152 cu ins, but highly
blown and tuned as most European diesels are) gives 140hp. 


Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK
prepair at easynet.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk




From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jan 14 10:01:43 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:01:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <2cvfu0ldhtt1250en78f2d5b919ahrom7r@4ax.com>
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com> <004b01c4f9a8$751949b0$0301a8c0@ALEC>
	<00b401c4f9be$2913c340$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>
	<00f301c4fa48$e4b1bfa0$0301a8c0@ALEC>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050114100629.10347d68@mail.alltel.net>
	<2cvfu0ldhtt1250en78f2d5b919ahrom7r@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050114125952.104b9b68@mail.alltel.net>


>We did a full load run to Edinburgh the other week just after Xmas
>with the trailer, about 5 tons total, we were getting no problem on
>speed and about 24 - 25mpg, going up to 32-33mpg on the return
>journey.
>Peter

Hi Peter, It's no wonder that you got better mileage on the trip home. I 
just looked at a map and discovered that going home was all down hill!
         Dave 



From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Fri Jan 14 10:17:17 2005
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:17:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com>
	<004b01c4f9a8$751949b0$0301a8c0@ALEC><00b401c4f9be$2913c340$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf><00f301c4fa48$e4b1bfa0$0301a8c0@ALEC>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050114100629.10347d68@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <017b01c4fa65$4a303250$0301a8c0@ALEC>




> Hi Alec,
>          With about the same load and at about the same speed (except when 
> I'm following Arnie--at which time we seldom run under 80 mph) I'm getting 
> around 17/18 mpg with my 250 Powerstroke. I got 19/20 when it was newer, 
> but it now has 183,472.7 miles on it, and like me is getting a bit tired.( They make Cialis and Viagra for old Fords and guys like you Dave, Its called Chevrolet) !!!!!!!!!!!
>          It's only right, however, that I get better mileage than do you. 
> After all, you are a rich stock broker/investment specialist and I'm now on 
> welfare which is supplemented by my wife's meager salary! ( no wonder Bush lost Pa. so easily, all you poh folks want it for free, switched over to where you thought you could find some in ole sugga daddy kerry, Spencer , Put the PA.  Rotigels' on the charity list, I hate to see grown men go without.
Alec
>        

From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Jan 14 11:08:21 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:08:21 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
Message-ID: <77.3cd8658d.2f1972a5@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/14/2005 1:39:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rotigel at alltel.net writes:
Hi Peter, It's no wonder that you got better mileage on the trip home. I 
just looked at a map and discovered that going home was all down hill!
         Dave 
That's right, Dave.  Plus, those folks squeeze more volume into a gallon than 
do we.  

Dave, maybe you should get a Cummins for your runs with Arnie.  My 
understanding is the Cummins efficiency/torque/HP all come together at 2200 rpm.  
Trouble with my Dodge is, 2200 rpm equals 80 mph and, being on the dole, I can't 
afford the speeding tickets.  In your situation, you have Arnie out front, 
beating the bushes and getting the citations which doesn't matter for a graduate of 
Bob's School of Nukeleer Wrenching* and Lubrication, as he makes the Big Bux.

Ron
*I was going to use "wenching" here but this is, after all, a family oriented 
group.


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jan 14 11:38:23 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:38:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <77.3cd8658d.2f1972a5@aol.com>
References: <77.3cd8658d.2f1972a5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501141435200.25214@vegeta.city-net.com>

Don't dispair folks.  You too can be a Quantum Mechanic,
carry thick wads of tens and twenties and eat steak.
http://physics.syr.edu/~salgado/pics/bobqm.gif

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote:

> In your situation, you have Arnie out front,
> beating the bushes and getting the citations which doesn't matter for a graduate of
> Bob's School of Nukeleer Wenching* and Lubrication, as he makes the Big Bux.



From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Fri Jan 14 12:34:06 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:34:06 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050114125952.104b9b68@mail.alltel.net>
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com> <004b01c4f9a8$751949b0$0301a8c0@ALEC>
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	<00f301c4fa48$e4b1bfa0$0301a8c0@ALEC>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050114100629.10347d68@mail.alltel.net>
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	<6.1.2.0.0.20050114125952.104b9b68@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <uuagu0dpffkarfoad2ljr1c3cgs1i458h5@4ax.com>

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:01:43 -0500, you wrote:

>
>>We did a full load run to Edinburgh the other week just after Xmas
>>with the trailer, about 5 tons total, we were getting no problem on
>>speed and about 24 - 25mpg, going up to 32-33mpg on the return
>>journey.
>>Peter
>
>Hi Peter, It's no wonder that you got better mileage on the trip home. I 
>just looked at a map and discovered that going home was all down hill!
>         Dave 

Not quite as bad as that :-))

The biggest thing we did to improve mpg with the trailer was to make the
tailgate skeletal, to allow the wind to pass through it, rather than it acting
like a big air scoop. Made a BIG difference on the freeway and in windy
conditions.

Reminds me, put us down for two places at the Back 40 Junction for August
please, might as well get in now before the rush! :-))

Peter 
--
Peter & Rita Forbes
Email Address:
diesel at easynet.co.uk
Web Pages for Engine Preservation:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From rwenig at telus.net  Fri Jan 14 13:46:36 2005
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:46:36 -0700
Subject: Quantum Mechanic: was Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501141435200.25214@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <77.3cd8658d.2f1972a5@aol.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0501141435200.25214@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <41E83DBC.3040804@telus.net>

	Neat one Arnie. I like that.

Rupert

Arnie Fero wrote:

> Don't dispair folks.  You too can be a Quantum Mechanic,
> carry thick wads of tens and twenties and eat steak.
> http://physics.syr.edu/~salgado/pics/bobqm.gif
> 
> See ya,  Arnie



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 14 14:05:59 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:05:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com>
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Thank you Alec,

I am still waffling between 2x and 4x4.

ED
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alec Stevens" <ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info


> Ed,
> It was a 3/ ton GMC( Good mechanic coming) with a 6.0 gas engine and 3.73
> rearend and with 1.5 tons in the bed and a 14' enclosed , 2 axle trailer
> with 2 tons more in it , not counting the trailer going well, and we will
> say at least going 70, its 9.3 all day long,
> I have a new chevy 6.0 gas, 3/4 and it has a 4.10 rearend which is all 
> they
> put in them now, I get 10 miles to the gallon, and at 72mph am tacking at
> 2650-2700 rpms, So now I go slower!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Alec J. Stevens
> Investment Specialist
> 80 Leighton Road, Suite C
> Falmouth, ME 04105
> (800)842-6669
> (207)797-5169
> (207)797-2819
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Stoller" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info
>
>
>> Alec,
>> 9.3 MPG. What are you running? I am getting ready to buy a new truck and
> am
>> expecting 20 MPG with a Cummings and automatic. Am I nuts? I was thinking
> of
>> 4x4 but am thinking a 2x4 will get better milage and will be closer to 
>> the
>> ground to load garden tractors.
>>
>> Ed Stoller
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alec Stevens" <ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info
>>
>>
>> > Hi,
>> > The 80 route is fine. I go from Portland to Portland via rt.90/80 and
> drop
>> > down in In. to the show, It is 1000 miles. I can do it in 17 hrs( 21
> with
>> > jams, slow going)  , fully loaded, I am always fully loaded on the way
>> > back
>> > because I sold the junk I took out there and replaced it with new
>> > junk,,,,,
>> > You will get 9.3 miles to the gallon on the way home, just and
> "edecated"
>> > guess,
>> > Let me know if you can take Steve's engine along
>> >
>> > Alec J. Stevens
>> > Investment Specialist
>> > 80 Leighton Road, Suite C
>> > Falmouth, ME 04105
>> > (800)842-6669
>> > (207)797-5169
>> > (207)797-2819
>> >>
>> >>> bill at antique-engines.com writes:
>> >> I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
>> >> Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning the
>> >> terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.
>> >>
>> >> Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa area
> and
>> >> can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path from
>> >> here
>> >> to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)
>> >>
>> >> Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton 4x4,
>> >> gas
>> >> usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13 mpg)
>> >> I'm hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive back in
>> >> about 3 days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks, etc.
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> SEL mailing list
>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Fri Jan 14 15:47:33 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:47:33 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine for sale
Message-ID: <001701c4fa93$6c698e10$8c9f0952@no1>

(Passed on from the UK list.)
I ran these for thousands of hours on test .Great little engine,no takers
yet.
Would make a good leaf blower or would dry out a damp workshop pretty fast.
                        Mike.H.

http://jowli.url.cjb.net/

Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From Todengine at aol.com  Fri Jan 14 17:22:07 2005
From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:22:07 EST
Subject: [SEL] Moving the IR Imperial Steam Driven air compressor to
	Youngstown! 
Message-ID: <df.af49305.2f19ca3f@aol.com>

Today we moved all but one piece of the Ingersoll Rand steam driven air 
compressor to the Tod Engine restoration shop at Castlo Industrial Park in 
Struthers, OH.  This leaves only the crankshaft and flywheel assembly to be brought 
back next week.

The IR Imperial Type 10 compressor was built around 1912 or so for Park Drop 
Forgings in Cleveland, Ohio and operated at the plant until a few months ago 
when it was taken out of service when the plant shut down. It was then 
earmarked for preservation and ultimately donated to the Tod Engine Foundation for 
inclusion in our Tod Engine Heritage Park.  While about 30 times smaller than the 
Tod Engine weight wise, it will still make an impressive addition to the park 
and is a wonderful example of the technology of a century ago. 

The Park Drop Forgings plant made diesel engine crankshafts and many forged 
parts for the aerospace industry before succombing to foreign competition.  
About 90% of the plant was demolished a couple of weeks ago, leaving the 
compressor as one of the few surviving pieces of equipment from the plant.  While not 
of Youngstown heritage, the compressor is representative of compressors used 
by local plants.

Photos of the entire dismantling and moving project are online at 
http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine in the IR Imperial Type 10 Compressor album. 
The demolition contractor used a large excavator to lift the parts onto the 
truck and trailer.  We had planned to bring back the air cylinder and flywheel 
on the trailer, however the cylinder weighed more than I anticipated so we 
left the flywheel to pick up next week. 

Our 20 ton hand operated overhead crane was used to unload the bedplate at 
the restoration shop, after about 15 minutes of heavy pulling on the chain I got 
it lifted off the truck.  The compresor will be restored at Castlo and remain 
there until a foundation is prepared for it at the heritage park, at which 
time it will be moved to its final display location. 

This engine became available to us a little over a month ago, amd I am glad 
that we had the resources to move the engine and could provide a home for this 
gem of industrial engineering!  

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Heritage Park
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
http://www.todengine.org/
Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine


From clemsweller at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 14 18:46:28 2005
From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:46:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
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Message-ID: <001201c4faac$6faf12c0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>

My research before purchasing the 2004 1 year ago showed that the 2x4
was less than 1 mile per gallon difference than the 4x4.  Don't
personally use 4x4 all that often, but it is nice to have it there when
you need it.  Good luck on your purchase!  Hope you enjoy it as much as
I do mine.

Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed Stoller
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 5:06 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info

Thank you Alec,

I am still waffling between 2x and 4x4.

ED
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alec Stevens" <ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info


> Ed,
> It was a 3/ ton GMC( Good mechanic coming) with a 6.0 gas engine and
3.73
> rearend and with 1.5 tons in the bed and a 14' enclosed , 2 axle
trailer
> with 2 tons more in it , not counting the trailer going well, and we
will
> say at least going 70, its 9.3 all day long,
> I have a new chevy 6.0 gas, 3/4 and it has a 4.10 rearend which is all

> they
> put in them now, I get 10 miles to the gallon, and at 72mph am tacking
at
> 2650-2700 rpms, So now I go slower!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Alec J. Stevens
> Investment Specialist
> 80 Leighton Road, Suite C
> Falmouth, ME 04105
> (800)842-6669
> (207)797-5169
> (207)797-2819
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Stoller" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info
>
>
>> Alec,
>> 9.3 MPG. What are you running? I am getting ready to buy a new truck
and
> am
>> expecting 20 MPG with a Cummings and automatic. Am I nuts? I was
thinking
> of
>> 4x4 but am thinking a 2x4 will get better milage and will be closer
to 
>> the
>> ground to load garden tractors.
>>
>> Ed Stoller
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alec Stevens" <ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info
>>
>>
>> > Hi,
>> > The 80 route is fine. I go from Portland to Portland via rt.90/80
and
> drop
>> > down in In. to the show, It is 1000 miles. I can do it in 17 hrs(
21
> with
>> > jams, slow going)  , fully loaded, I am always fully loaded on the
way
>> > back
>> > because I sold the junk I took out there and replaced it with new
>> > junk,,,,,
>> > You will get 9.3 miles to the gallon on the way home, just and
> "edecated"
>> > guess,
>> > Let me know if you can take Steve's engine along
>> >
>> > Alec J. Stevens
>> > Investment Specialist
>> > 80 Leighton Road, Suite C
>> > Falmouth, ME 04105
>> > (800)842-6669
>> > (207)797-5169
>> > (207)797-2819
>> >>
>> >>> bill at antique-engines.com writes:
>> >> I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad
Brook,
>> >> Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning
the
>> >> terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.
>> >>
>> >> Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa
area
> and
>> >> can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path
from
>> >> here
>> >> to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)
>> >>
>> >> Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton
4x4,
>> >> gas
>> >> usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13
mpg)
>> >> I'm hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive
back in
>> >> about 3 days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks,
etc.
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> SEL mailing list
>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>
>
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From guitronics at comcast.net  Fri Jan 14 23:32:54 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 02:32:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 6/1 (Caste Iron Curry Lister)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501140917350.25214@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501140917350.25214@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <41E8C726.1050002@comcast.net>

Arnie Fero wrote:

>Hi Folks,
>
>Would those of you who are happy owners of Caste Iron Curry Listers (John,
>Ron, etc.) contact Gary and offer your thoughts on 'em?  If you reply to
>the list, please cc Gary as he is NOT on the list.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:20:20 +1100
>From: Gary McDonnell <gary at triumphmotorcycles.com.au>
>To: fero_ah at city-net.com
>Subject: 6/1
>
>Hi Arnie.
>
>I am interested is buying one of the indian lister clone cs 6/1. Can you
>advise me wether these are any good.Can you pass on my e-mail to your
>members that have bought one .Any info would be usefull.TTFN
>
>GaryMcDonnell.
>
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>
>  
>
You need to go to    http://www.utterpower.com   . There's a wealth of 
info available at the site, Indian built  "Listeroids" may need  several 
hours of  work  before use.


From garyepps at fidnet.com  Fri Jan 14 23:41:15 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:41:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <uuagu0dpffkarfoad2ljr1c3cgs1i458h5@4ax.com>
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com>
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Great idea, Peter.  Dave, put Carol and I down for two dinner 
reservations as well.

Peter, as to dinner, don't bring any dishes,  we'll bring some.  :)

Gary

Peter A Forbes wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:01:43 -0500, you wrote:
> 
> 
>>>We did a full load run to Edinburgh the other week just after Xmas
>>>with the trailer, about 5 tons total, we were getting no problem on
>>>speed and about 24 - 25mpg, going up to 32-33mpg on the return
>>>journey.
>>>Peter
>>
>>Hi Peter, It's no wonder that you got better mileage on the trip home. I 
>>just looked at a map and discovered that going home was all down hill!
>>        Dave 
> 
> 
> Not quite as bad as that :-))
> 
> The biggest thing we did to improve mpg with the trailer was to make the
> tailgate skeletal, to allow the wind to pass through it, rather than it acting
> like a big air scoop. Made a BIG difference on the freeway and in windy
> conditions.
> 
> Reminds me, put us down for two places at the Back 40 Junction for August
> please, might as well get in now before the rush! :-))
> 
> Peter 
> --
> Peter & Rita Forbes
> Email Address:
> diesel at easynet.co.uk
> Web Pages for Engine Preservation:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> 
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> 
> 
> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jan 15 00:16:26 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:16:26 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
References: <77.3cd8658d.2f1972a5@aol.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0501141435200.25214@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <005101c4fada$99d1e220$14111bd3@athlon>

But your name is Arnie, NOT Bob!!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info


> Don't dispair folks.  You too can be a Quantum Mechanic,
> carry thick wads of tens and twenties and eat steak.
> http://physics.syr.edu/~salgado/pics/bobqm.gif
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote:
>
> > In your situation, you have Arnie out front,
> > beating the bushes and getting the citations which doesn't matter for a
graduate of
> > Bob's School of Nukeleer Wenching* and Lubrication, as he makes the Big
Bux.
>
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From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Sat Jan 15 00:32:38 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 08:32:38 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:41:15 -0600, you wrote:

>Great idea, Peter.  Dave, put Carol and I down for two dinner 
>reservations as well.
>
>Peter, as to dinner, don't bring any dishes,  we'll bring some.  :)
>
>Gary

Ah, yes the Wedgwood china, almost forgotten about that!

See you both there....

Peter

--
Peter & Rita Forbes
Email Address:
diesel at easynet.co.uk
Web Pages for Engine Preservation:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Fri Jan 14 17:22:30 2005
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:22:30 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050114125952.104b9b68@mail.alltel.net>
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com>
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	<6.1.2.0.0.20050114125952.104b9b68@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <41E87056.6090000@optusnet.com.au>

Dave Rotigel wrote:

>
>> We did a full load run to Edinburgh the other week just after Xmas
>> with the trailer, about 5 tons total, we were getting no problem on
>> speed and about 24 - 25mpg, going up to 32-33mpg on the return
>> journey.
>> Peter
>
>
> Hi Peter, It's no wonder that you got better mileage on the trip home. 
> I just looked at a map and discovered that going home was all down hill!
>         Dave

==========
But don't forget, Dave, that Peter uses proper gallons : )

Jack in Oz



From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Sat Jan 15 02:37:17 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:37:17 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <41E87056.6090000@optusnet.com.au>
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com>
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:22:30 +0800, you wrote:

>Dave Rotigel wrote:
>
>>
>>> We did a full load run to Edinburgh the other week just after Xmas
>>> with the trailer, about 5 tons total, we were getting no problem on
>>> speed and about 24 - 25mpg, going up to 32-33mpg on the return
>>> journey.
>>> Peter
>>
>>
>> Hi Peter, It's no wonder that you got better mileage on the trip home. 
>> I just looked at a map and discovered that going home was all down hill!
>>         Dave
>
>==========
>But don't forget, Dave, that Peter uses proper gallons : )
>
>Jack in Oz

Yes, I forgot that,  one US gallon is 'only' equal to 0.8327 UK gal, so their
mpg ratings are that much different to ours :-))

Peter

--
Peter & Rita Forbes
Email Address:
diesel at easynet.co.uk
Web Pages for Engine Preservation:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 15 05:09:17 2005
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 05:09:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] That is indeed the maypole braider I need to get
Message-ID: <20050115130917.32672.qmail@web52709.mail.yahoo.com>

Myron Busch:

Hi, Myron,

Thanks for posting the address for your photos. The machine you took
the photo of is exactly the type of maypole braider I need to get for
my business. Next is to find one for sale!

Rich Allen


From bcl at grandecom.net  Sat Jan 15 06:45:11 2005
From: bcl at grandecom.net (LEW BEST)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 08:45:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] That is indeed the maypole braider I need to get
In-Reply-To: <20050115130917.32672.qmail@web52709.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002101c4fb10$d3a41190$6400a8c0@OFFICELEW>

Hey Rich

I've only followed this thread a bit; I have a list on yahoo groups
named shop_tool_exchange that might worth a shot.  Just request
membership from the home page; I approve everyone but moderate the first
few posts to keep out the spammers.  Open to requesting or offering
anything shop related.

Lew


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Allen
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 7:09 AM
To: Stationary Engine List
Subject: [SEL] That is indeed the maypole braider I need to get

Myron Busch:

Hi, Myron,

Thanks for posting the address for your photos. The machine you took
the photo of is exactly the type of maypole braider I need to get for
my business. Next is to find one for sale!

Rich Allen
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From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 15 07:56:01 2005
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 07:56:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT-Now looking for blueprint of maypole braider,
	bank note engraving machine
Message-ID: <20050115155601.24566.qmail@web52708.mail.yahoo.com>

At this point, instead of buying a maypole braiding machine I would
just as well settle for having access to one to make a copy, or a set
of blue prints. Back 120 years ago when they were first made, the
machine shop technology was not sophisticated at all and the machining
operations required to reproduce one are probably quite straightforward
and are most likely easy to reproduce using a lathe, milling machine,
and drill press. Those are all that existed back then, except for a few
rare machines like the one used to engrave the delicate and highly
complex mathematical curves of printed bank notes. Right now I am in
the middle of doing a search to find some drawings and blueprints for a
maypole braider and I have found all the old U.S. patents that were not
destroyed in the disastrous United States Patent Office Fire.
Unfortunately, the Patent Office drawings I have found are not
manufacturing blueprints and although they are nice looking and
meticulously drawn, they are only detailed in the regard of
understanding the principals of how the machines worked. I already
understand how they work very well but to make one I need the actual
dimensions so I don't have to do hours and hours of research and
development to figure out the dimensions and the range of movement for
the parts, etc. Basically put, I want to avoid doing 100?s of hours of
reinventing what already exists! 

About the antique bank note engraving machines (called geometric
lathes) that generate the delicate mathematical curves used in the
printed designs, see:

http://www.excourse.com/excentro/index.html 

http://www.maa.org/editorial/mathgames/mathgames_02_09_04.html

and a brief biography of the inventor:

http://www.famousamericans.net/cyrusdurand/

I know they aren?t antique engines, but they are antique machines and I
think you will find them interesting! I want one of those, too, but I
have a good idea how to build one already.

Richard Allen



From welch at ii.net  Sat Jan 15 22:39:46 2005
From: welch at ii.net (Charles Welch)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:39:46 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Villiers W-X11
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20050116143746.02a5b040@mail.iinet.net.au>


Hello, 

Does anyone out there have any parts, manuals or info on the Villiers W-X11 watercooled stationary engine please ? 

I have a WAH model, engine no 568. 

I'm currently looking for the cast iron exhaust box, per the photo, below. 

http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/VilliersW-X11.jpg

Thanks ! 

cheers ... Charles Welch



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jan 15 22:58:35 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:58:35 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy mag trip
Message-ID: <20050115.225837.916.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
Does anyone have an extra 303K26A bracket and mag trip lever to fit my 7
hp Economy?  A good close up picture would help, the lever that now trips
a micro switch might be part of what I need.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jan 16 06:31:59 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:31:59 EST
Subject: [SEL] Economy mag trip
Message-ID: <1a5.2ecdec25.2f1bd4df@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/16/2005 2:00:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
rdhaskell at juno.com writes:

<< Does anyone have an extra 303K26A bracket and mag trip lever to fit my 7
 hp Economy?  A good close up picture would help, the lever that now trips
 a micro switch might be part of what I need. >>

Ron,

Hit and Miss and Starbolt carries all the trip mechanisms for the Economy's.  
Also Hit and Miss has some pictures in their catalogue that are sometimes 
helpful.  Of course Glenn's Hercules book is the most informative you can get.  I 
have a 5hp with Webster mag and tips mechanism I can take a picture of it you 
need it.  Let me know.  Sorry, no bracket and I need one myself to fix 
another 5 in resotation process.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From oldengin at udata.com  Sun Jan 16 08:20:46 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:20:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT-Now looking for blueprint of maypole braider, bank note
	engraving machine
In-Reply-To: <20050115155601.24566.qmail@web52708.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050115155601.24566.qmail@web52708.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41EA945E.6010205@udata.com>

Richard Allen wrote:

> Basically put, I want to avoid doing 100?s of hours of
>reinventing what already exists! 
>
>About the antique bank note engraving machines (called geometric
>lathes) that generate the delicate mathematical curves used in the
>printed designs, see:
>
>http://www.excourse.com/excentro/index.html 
>
>http://www.maa.org/editorial/mathgames/mathgames_02_09_04.html
>
>and a brief biography of the inventor:
>
>http://www.famousamericans.net/cyrusdurand/
>
>I know they aren?t antique engines, but they are antique machines and I
>think you will find them interesting! I want one of those, too, but I
>have a good idea how to build one already.
>
>Richard Allen
>
>___
>
>  
>

Gday
ME TOO, MEE TOOO, MEEE TOOOOO!!!!
Listen, this thread is of good interest to me as I love seeing how it 
was done before the advent of engins and the process of mechanical items 
is still what made us a better place than the caveman era. To be able to 
think and try and succeed is good, and I would love to be included in 
this building of (HOPE, HOPE) at least two of these braiders. Thanks

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jan 16 10:36:10 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:36:10 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy mag trip
Message-ID: <20050116.103610.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Tom
I was hoping to give a list member the first try.  I don't see it in the
Starbolt catalog, and I must have given my Hit n Miss listing to some one
as I can't find it now.  A close up shot of the trip bracket would be
appreciated.  There is a possibility that some of the bracket I have now
is part of the original.
I have Glenn's book and a reprint of an Economy manual but no good
pictures of what I want.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:31:59 EST Germoamer at aol.com writes:
> In a message dated 1/16/2005 2:00:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
> rdhaskell at juno.com writes:
> 
> << Does anyone have an extra 303K26A bracket and mag trip lever to 
> fit my 7
>  hp Economy?  A good close up picture would help, the lever that now 
> trips
>  a micro switch might be part of what I need. >>
> 
> Ron,
> 
> Hit and Miss and Starbolt carries all the trip mechanisms for the 
> Economy's.  
> Also Hit and Miss has some pictures in their catalogue that are 
> sometimes 
> helpful.  Of course Glenn's Hercules book is the most informative 
> you can get.  I 
> have a 5hp with Webster mag and tips mechanism I can take a picture 
> of it you 
> need it.  Let me know.  Sorry, no bracket and I need one myself to 
> fix 
> another 5 in resotation process.
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 16 11:44:06 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:44:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Economy mag trip
In-Reply-To: <20050116.103610.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20050116194406.51684.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Ron,

Just go to hitnmiss.com and download a new catalog.
Thanks to Norm (their new webmaster) it is just as easy as that.

Alan Bowen
Yup, I know Norm.

--- rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

> Thanks Tom
> I was hoping to give a list member the first try.  I don't see it in the
> Starbolt catalog, and I must have given my Hit n Miss listing to some one
> as I can't find it now.  A close up shot of the trip bracket would be
> appreciated.  There is a possibility that some of the bracket I have now
> is part of the original.
> I have Glenn's book and a reprint of an Economy manual but no good
> pictures of what I want.  Thanks.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:31:59 EST Germoamer at aol.com writes:
> > In a message dated 1/16/2005 2:00:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
> > rdhaskell at juno.com writes:
> > 
> > << Does anyone have an extra 303K26A bracket and mag trip lever to 
> > fit my 7
> >  hp Economy?  A good close up picture would help, the lever that now 
> > trips
> >  a micro switch might be part of what I need. >>
> > 
> > Ron,
> > 
> > Hit and Miss and Starbolt carries all the trip mechanisms for the 
> > Economy's.  
> > Also Hit and Miss has some pictures in their catalogue that are 
> > sometimes 
> > helpful.  Of course Glenn's Hercules book is the most informative 
> > you can get.  I 
> > have a 5hp with Webster mag and tips mechanism I can take a picture 
> > of it you 
> > need it.  Let me know.  Sorry, no bracket and I need one myself to 
> > fix 
> > another 5 in resotation process.
> > 
> > Tom Schmutz
> > Concord, Va. USA
> > Germoamer at aol.com
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jan 16 12:09:21 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:09:21 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy mag trip
Message-ID: <20050116.120921.1424.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Alan

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:44:06 -0800 (PST) Alan Bowen
<rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> writes:
> Hi Ron,
> 
> Just go to hitnmiss.com and download a new catalog.
> Thanks to Norm (their new webmaster) it is just as easy as that.
> 
> Alan Bowen
> Yup, I know Norm.
>


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Jan 16 17:13:39 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:13:39 +0800
Subject: [SEL] 1421 ?........OT
Message-ID: <001801c4fc31$d991bae0$49b43dca@ogborneuah38i3>

This is an OT subject  but anyone who is interested read 1421 and then
ponder!
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Jan 16 00:01:18 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:01:18 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Villiers W-X11
References: <5.1.1.6.2.20050116143746.02a5b040@mail.iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <000401c4fba1$909707e0$8c9f0952@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Welch" <welch at ii.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 6:39 AM
Subject: [SEL] Villiers W-X11


> Hello, 
> Does anyone out there have any parts, manuals or info on the Villiers W-X11 watercooled stationary engine please ? 
> I have a WAH model, engine no 568. 
> I'm currently looking for the cast iron exhaust box, per the photo, below. 
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/VilliersW-X11.jpg
> Thanks ! 
> cheers ... Charles Welch

Hi Charles, I have a spares list on my website.
See http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/vintage/images/wx11.pdf
I hope this helps you!.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From jnyost at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 17 10:14:47 2005
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:14:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] (OT) Alan Bowen
Message-ID: <20050117181447.49896.qmail@web40626.mail.yahoo.com>

Alan Bowen,

Contact me off list.

Jim


		
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From landlord at buckeyenet.net  Mon Jan 17 12:41:14 2005
From: landlord at buckeyenet.net (Donald Shahan)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:41:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] need
Message-ID: <002001c4fcd4$fd792da0$7867e104@nostrife>

i need an oweners manual for 40 hp bessemer engine any help?

From landlord at buckeyenet.net  Mon Jan 17 12:57:25 2005
From: landlord at buckeyenet.net (Donald Shahan)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:57:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] new guy
Message-ID: <003701c4fcd7$27380f10$7867e104@nostrife>

i need an oweners manual for 40 hp bessemer engine any help?

From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jan 17 15:14:20 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:14:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail
Message-ID: <41EC46CC.3080900@scrtc.com>

Its been a day off and I thought I would hang around the house (its 12 
degrees outside) and see what great discussions were on the SEL.  No 
mail today however.  Just wondered if this would make it through.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 17 18:20:37 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:20:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction
In-Reply-To: <20050117181447.49896.qmail@web40626.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050118022037.82128.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Folks,

HEY,,, Who is gonna step up and place a bit on the VX6 on the Charity Auction?
Please,,,,,,  8>))
I need to be done with the bidding so I can pay off all the items I have won and take control of
the Famous World Traveled Blue Handled Fence Pliers.

They are gonna stay in Northern Lower Michigan for another year, BUT,,, They will be safe in the
hands for an engine guy and not one of them,,,,, You know,,,, Tr@(t0r guys.
 I PROMISE,,, I will not place another bid on the VX6 if someone will be kind enough to take it
away from me.  I just HAD to take it away from what looked like a Tr@(t0r guy.  It was just
instinct that drove me to bid.  8>))  If poorboy is an engine guy then I am sorry, but the name
sure sounds like on them guys to me,,,,  8>))

HEY,,,again,,,

I was expecting to see an engine calendar up there,,,, What happened????

Very disapointing.
I will take a stab at making one for next year's auction I guess.

Alan Bowen rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
Williamsburg, Michigan

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From rustyiron at bigpond.com  Mon Jan 17 13:36:37 2005
From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 05:36:37 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT-Now looking for blueprint of maypole braider,
	bank noteengraving machine
References: <20050115155601.24566.qmail@web52708.mail.yahoo.com>
	<41EA945E.6010205@udata.com>
Message-ID: <001901c4fcdc$b1c997c0$061ffea9@ibmbnh186c>

Hi Leroy, I'm the same here, I hope Richard will keep us informed, as I'm
also interested in what is involed?
Andy Nicholson
Exmouth W.A.
Oz.
rustyiron at bigpond.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leroy C." <oldengin at udata.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT-Now looking for blueprint of maypole braider, bank
noteengraving machine


Richard Allen wrote:

> Basically put, I want to avoid doing 100?s of hours of
>reinventing what already exists!
>
>About the antique bank note engraving machines (called geometric
>lathes) that generate the delicate mathematical curves used in the
>printed designs, see:
>
>http://www.excourse.com/excentro/index.html
>
>http://www.maa.org/editorial/mathgames/mathgames_02_09_04.html
>
>and a brief biography of the inventor:
>
>http://www.famousamericans.net/cyrusdurand/
>
>I know they aren?t antique engines, but they are antique machines and I
>think you will find them interesting! I want one of those, too, but I
>have a good idea how to build one already.
>
>Richard Allen
>
>___
>
>
>

Gday
ME TOO, MEE TOOO, MEEE TOOOOO!!!!
Listen, this thread is of good interest to me as I love seeing how it
was done before the advent of engins and the process of mechanical items
is still what made us a better place than the caveman era. To be able to
think and try and succeed is good, and I would love to be included in
this building of (HOPE, HOPE) at least two of these braiders. Thanks

-- 
C-ya

  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark



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From ignitors at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 17 22:54:46 2005
From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:54:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail
References: <41EC46CC.3080900@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c4fd2a$998bb460$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>

Nothing here either Tommy

Ted Brookover
4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
816-763-3142
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http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 5:14 PM
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail


> Its been a day off and I thought I would hang around the house (its 12 
> degrees outside) and see what great discussions were on the SEL.  No mail 
> today however.  Just wondered if this would make it through.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
> _______________________________________________
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> 




From marvhed at ecenet.com  Tue Jan 18 04:28:56 2005
From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:28:56 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill
In-Reply-To: <41EC46CC.3080900@scrtc.com>
References: <41EC46CC.3080900@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <28473.199.62.0.252.1106051336.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>

we're finally warming up here in minnesoota,
they're forcasting a heat wave of +24 F
yesterday i had -20 and one spot was - 54F
sounds like the chill has moved on east and south.

marv in minn

> Its been a day off and I thought I would hang around the house (its 12
> degrees outside) and see what great discussions were on the SEL.  No
> mail today however.  Just wondered if this would make it through.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Jan 18 04:29:51 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:29:51 +1100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
Message-ID: <200501181229.j0ICTlCP046376@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


Hi Paul,
	My Skype ID is triumphline. You can also search me by name. It is
amazing the difference being able to talk to each other is rather than just
by email!

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----


Patrick, what is your Skype calling I.D., I will add you to my call list. I 
get on it occasionally myself and talk to Curt and Dave Croft, it is a great

FREE way of talking to people around the World. Maybe more of our engine 
friends will get on it.

Paul




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 18 04:52:49 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:52:49 -0000
Subject: [SEL] something to dream about owning
Message-ID: <001901c4fd5c$9efc4d10$8c9f0952@no1>

While its so quiet I thought you might like to see this on EBay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69826&item=6506036187&rd=1
You would need a big box to ship it to the USA!
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jan 18 05:16:42 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 05:16:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill
In-Reply-To: <28473.199.62.0.252.1106051336.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
References: <41EC46CC.3080900@scrtc.com>
	<28473.199.62.0.252.1106051336.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
Message-ID: <59830.165.206.180.118.1106054202.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

Yeah, Embarrass MN hit minus 54 (f)
We'll hit about 30 today, first time in many days..........

Bill
Runnells, Iowa

> we're finally warming up here in minnesoota,
> they're forcasting a heat wave of +24 F
> yesterday i had -20 and one spot was - 54F
> sounds like the chill has moved on east and south.
>
> marv in minn
>
>> Its been a day off and I thought I would hang around the house (its 12
>> degrees outside) and see what great discussions were on the SEL.  No
>> mail today however.  Just wondered if this would make it through.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From prepair at easynet.co.uk  Tue Jan 18 05:56:48 2005
From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:56:48 +0000
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill
In-Reply-To: <59830.165.206.180.118.1106054202.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
References: <41EC46CC.3080900@scrtc.com>
	<28473.199.62.0.252.1106051336.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
	<59830.165.206.180.118.1106054202.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <t95qu0tfkkdtu20gvsdcts73k6umlbdi68@4ax.com>

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 05:16:42 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>Yeah, Embarrass MN hit minus 54 (f)
>We'll hit about 30 today, first time in many days..........
>
>Bill
>Runnells, Iowa
>
>> we're finally warming up here in minnesoota,
>> they're forcasting a heat wave of +24 F
>> yesterday i had -20 and one spot was - 54F
>> sounds like the chill has moved on east and south.
>>
>> marv in minn
>>
>>> Its been a day off and I thought I would hang around the house (its 12
>>> degrees outside) and see what great discussions were on the SEL.  No
>>> mail today however.  Just wondered if this would make it through.
>>>
>>> Tommy Turner
>>> Magnolia, KY

Daffodil shoots are 4"-5" out of the ground here, only noticed them
this last weekend. Snowdrops are up also and Crocuses can't be far
away, looks like spring is going to be early again this year :-))


Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK
prepair at easynet.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk




From garyepps at fidnet.com  Tue Jan 18 05:58:21 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:58:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill
In-Reply-To: <59830.165.206.180.118.1106054202.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
References: <41EC46CC.3080900@scrtc.com>	<28473.199.62.0.252.1106051336.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
	<59830.165.206.180.118.1106054202.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <41ED15FD.5060801@fidnet.com>

Yeah, its been rough here also, supposed to get up to only 62 on the 
weekend.

Gary

bill at antique-engines.com wrote:
> Yeah, Embarrass MN hit minus 54 (f)
> We'll hit about 30 today, first time in many days..........
> 
> Bill
> Runnells, Iowa
> 
> 
>>we're finally warming up here in minnesoota,
>>they're forcasting a heat wave of +24 F
>>yesterday i had -20 and one spot was - 54F
>>sounds like the chill has moved on east and south.
>>
>>marv in minn
>>
>>
>>>Its been a day off and I thought I would hang around the house (its 12
>>>degrees outside) and see what great discussions were on the SEL.  No
>>>mail today however.  Just wondered if this would make it through.
>>>
>>>Tommy Turner
>>>Magnolia, KY
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Jan 18 06:00:29 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:00:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill
References: <41EC46CC.3080900@scrtc.com><28473.199.62.0.252.1106051336.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
	<59830.165.206.180.118.1106054202.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV27404697441C7EC73C8357BB8F0@phx.gbl>

I opened the door gang and you people on the right should see it in a day or 
so.  +39 this a.m. after -20 two days ago.

  On another note, has anyone heard from Joe Prindle?  Spudhead would like 
to buy some M parts that he's got.  Maybe if someone would just post his 
town/state, I could look it up.  Hope he's ok!!

later,
RickinMt.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill


> Yeah, Embarrass MN hit minus 54 (f)
> We'll hit about 30 today, first time in many days..........
>
> Bill
> Runnells, Iowa
>
> > we're finally warming up here in minnesoota,
> > they're forcasting a heat wave of +24 F
> > yesterday i had -20 and one spot was - 54F
> > sounds like the chill has moved on east and south.
> >
> > marv in minn
> >
> >> Its been a day off and I thought I would hang around the house (its 12
> >> degrees outside) and see what great discussions were on the SEL.  No
> >> mail today however.  Just wondered if this would make it through.
> >>
> >> Tommy Turner
> >> Magnolia, KY
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Tue Jan 18 06:19:07 2005
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:19:07 -0600
Subject: [SEL] something to dream about owning
Message-ID: <001001c4fd68$af361600$3d690b42@computer>

Nice Dave.  I would jump on it except it would max out my VISA card.
Geo.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: atis <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:54 AM
Subject: [SEL] something to dream about owning


>While its so quiet I thought you might like to see this on EBay
>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69826&item=6506036
187&rd=1
>You would need a big box to ship it to the USA!
>Dave Croft
>Warrington
>England
>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jan 18 06:56:45 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:56:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] something to dream about owning
In-Reply-To: <001901c4fd5c$9efc4d10$8c9f0952@no1>
References: <001901c4fd5c$9efc4d10$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501180956002.60388@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hey Rick,

That sure would look nice in the Tod Engine Museum.  8-)))

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Dave Croft wrote:

> While its so quiet I thought you might like to see this on EBay
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69826&item=6506036187&rd=1
> You would need a big box to ship it to the USA!



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jan 18 07:16:01 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:16:01 -0800
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail
In-Reply-To: <41EC46CC.3080900@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <200501181516.j0IFGBCs036976@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

> Its been a day off and I thought I would hang around the 
> house (its 12 degrees outside) and see what great discussions 
>were on the SEL.  No mail today however.  Just wondered if
> this would make it through.

Hi Tommy,
Congratulations on running out of Kentucky criminals.  Hope business picks up
soon.  

It will be in the low 70's into the forseeable future, which will be great for
the Quartzsite, AZ show, but all is not as wonderful as it seems.  The evenings
will be down into the 40's, which might necessitate wearing long pants and shoes
:-(

The weekend was pleasant enough to get some engine work done.  Here's a picture
of Kelley taking a break from our engine levitation trick.  
http://temp.rustyiron.com/skid-phase-3.jpg

Rob





From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Jan 18 08:33:05 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:33:05 -0800
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail
Message-ID: <20050118.083306.144.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Tommy.
Sorry you are in the deep freeze.  It will be over 80?F today in sunny
Southern California.  A good day for sandblasting and painting.  Actually
a good day for everything. <VBG>

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside California USA
http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:14:20 -0500 Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
writes:
> Its been a day off and I thought I would hang around the house (its 
> 12 
> degrees outside) and see what great discussions were on the SEL.  No 
> 
> mail today however.  Just wondered if this would make it through.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 18 08:33:32 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:33:32 -0000
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill
References: <41EC46CC.3080900@scrtc.com><28473.199.62.0.252.1106051336.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net><59830.165.206.180.118.1106054202.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
	<BAY3-DAV27404697441C7EC73C8357BB8F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001e01c4fd7b$748f2740$8c9f0952@no1>

Hi Rick, will http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/intro.htm#Prindle
help you to locate him? (Its a few years old.)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill


> I opened the door gang and you people on the right should see it in a day or 
> so.  +39 this a.m. after -20 two days ago.
> 
>   On another note, has anyone heard from Joe Prindle?  Spudhead would like 
> to buy some M parts that he's got.  Maybe if someone would just post his 
> town/state, I could look it up.  Hope he's ok!!
> 
> later,
> RickinMt.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill
> 
> 
> > Yeah, Embarrass MN hit minus 54 (f)
> > We'll hit about 30 today, first time in many days..........
> >
> > Bill
> > Runnells, Iowa
> >
> > > we're finally warming up here in minnesoota,
> > > they're forcasting a heat wave of +24 F
> > > yesterday i had -20 and one spot was - 54F
> > > sounds like the chill has moved on east and south.
> > >
> > > marv in minn
> > >
> > >> Its been a day off and I thought I would hang around the house (its 12
> > >> degrees outside) and see what great discussions were on the SEL.  No
> > >> mail today however.  Just wondered if this would make it through.
> > >>
> > >> Tommy Turner
> > >> Magnolia, KY
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Jan 18 12:09:26 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:09:26 +0000
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail-from Ted
Message-ID: <3k70mg$kvapch@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net>


> 
> Nothing here either Tommy
> 
> Ted Brookover
How ya feelin Ted, good to have you back. I'm a little sore myself, had double hernia surgery this morning. They used a scope and put a patch from the inside, hope this holds better, less painful than the others.
J.B. Castagnos



From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Tue Jan 18 15:26:23 2005
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:26:23 +0800
Subject: [SEL] something to dream about owning
In-Reply-To: <001901c4fd5c$9efc4d10$8c9f0952@no1>
References: <001901c4fd5c$9efc4d10$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <41ED9B1F.9020300@optusnet.com.au>

Dave Croft wrote:

>While its so quiet I thought you might like to see this on EBay
>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69826&item=6506036187&rd=1
>You would need a big box to ship it to the USA!
>Dave Croft
>Warrington
>England
>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>  
>
=========================
I would have snapped it up but they say "local pickup only - no postage".
Don't know why - there seems to be plenty of room for the stamps.

Old Australian proverb - There's always a fly in the Vegemite.

Jack in Oz



From Todengine at aol.com  Tue Jan 18 16:44:14 2005
From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:44:14 EST
Subject: [SEL] something to dream about owning
Message-ID: <1e8.32d0e6e8.2f1f075e@aol.com>

Yes it certainly would be great next to the Tod.  I've always wanted to 
display a few smaller engines with her. :-)

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Heritage Park
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
http://www.todengine.org/
Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Jan 18 17:08:26 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:08:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill
References: <41EC46CC.3080900@scrtc.com><28473.199.62.0.252.1106051336.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net><59830.165.206.180.118.1106054202.squirrel@165.206.180.118><BAY3-DAV27404697441C7EC73C8357BB8F0@phx.gbl>
	<001e01c4fd7b$748f2740$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV3C4CB0F6EB57D4A897ABBBB800@phx.gbl>

Thanks Dave and also to those who replied off list.  I've emailed him so 
we'll see.

Take Care, stay warm.......or cool.

later,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill


> Hi Rick, will http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/intro.htm#Prindle
> help you to locate him? (Its a few years old.)
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 2:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill
>
>
> > I opened the door gang and you people on the right should see it in a 
> > day or
> > so.  +39 this a.m. after -20 two days ago.
> >
> >   On another note, has anyone heard from Joe Prindle?  Spudhead would 
> > like
> > to buy some M parts that he's got.  Maybe if someone would just post his
> > town/state, I could look it up.  Hope he's ok!!
> >
> > later,
> > RickinMt.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:16 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill
> >
> >
> > > Yeah, Embarrass MN hit minus 54 (f)
> > > We'll hit about 30 today, first time in many days..........
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > Runnells, Iowa
> > >
> > > > we're finally warming up here in minnesoota,
> > > > they're forcasting a heat wave of +24 F
> > > > yesterday i had -20 and one spot was - 54F
> > > > sounds like the chill has moved on east and south.
> > > >
> > > > marv in minn
> > > >
> > > >> Its been a day off and I thought I would hang around the house (its 
> > > >> 12
> > > >> degrees outside) and see what great discussions were on the SEL. 
> > > >> No
> > > >> mail today however.  Just wondered if this would make it through.
> > > >>
> > > >> Tommy Turner
> > > >> Magnolia, KY
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > SEL mailing list
> > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From mrengine at comcast.net  Tue Jan 18 17:42:49 2005
From: mrengine at comcast.net (mrengine at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:42:49 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Associated muffler
Message-ID: <011920050142.8459.41EDBB19000CB6D80000210B22070009530A020709020A9D03@comcast.net>

Anybody have an original Associated muffler they would sell? It's 1" pipe thread for AC Hired Hand. I have a Economy muffler I could trade too.Thanks Frank

From guitronics at comcast.net  Wed Jan 19 06:05:09 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:05:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] something to dream about owning
In-Reply-To: <001901c4fd5c$9efc4d10$8c9f0952@no1>
References: <001901c4fd5c$9efc4d10$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <41EE6915.60102@comcast.net>


I'd have thought someone would want a beautiful mackine like that in a 
museum,and run it on steam, as it was intended.

What a draw that would be to a theme park or mall....you'd have to pay a 
"Stationary Engineer", but running that behind plexiglass 
panels.....what a draw. I'd drive 100 miles or more just to see it.

Dave Croft wrote:

>While its so quiet I thought you might like to see this on EBay
>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69826&item=6506036187&rd=1
>You would need a big box to ship it to the USA!
>Dave Croft
>Warrington
>England
>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>  
>



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Jan 19 06:15:18 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:15:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Not Quite OT: Gray Motor (And Hammond Organ) Trivia
Message-ID: <8BFA55BF-6A24-11D9-9CA4-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

I love mechanical devices, electronics (mainly of the vacuum tube sort) 
and music. I've gotten interested in old Hammond organs, which combine 
all 3. I'm reading a book on them right now, and learned that Laurens 
Hammond, the thoroughly nonmusical, tone-deaf, mechanically brilliant 
engineer who invented the organ, served as the Chief Engineer of the 
Gray Motor Company from 1918-1920. He didn't really like that job and 
was able to leave it when he invented a silent spring-driven clock 
movement. He was the inventor of the synchronous AC motor clock, which 
was responsible for the standardization and close regulation of power 
line frequency across the US. (He gave electric clocks to the 
executives of the power companies. That did the trick.) An early 
invention, when he was 10 and living in France, was an automatic 
transmission for cars. He didn't follow his mother's advice to show it 
to Renault's chief engineer, however. He invented the two-color 3D film 
viewing goggles, guidance systems for glide bombs, missiles and 
torpedos, and assorted other stuff. Not to mention the Hammond organ, 
which every modern electronic keyboard attempts to emulate. The 
spinning tone wheel and magnetic pickup tone generator of the Hammond 
was derived from the Telharmonium, a 1909 invention of Thaddeus Cahill 
that used big toothed gears as the pole pieces of huge alternators that 
generated musical AC frequencies directly (no amplification) that would 
be piped over telephone lines to speakers in subscribers' homes. The 
parts of the instrument had to be shipped in 5 railroad cars!

Anyway, thought y'all'd like to know his Gray Motor Company collection, 
especially you marine engine enthusiasts. :-)

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 19 07:07:23 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:07:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] NW Swap Meets
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV3D87765D900AD63E7A80ABB800@phx.gbl>

  Howdy all from balmy Mt...the Missouri has to be risin'

  Looking for a listing for NW U.S. Swap meets as I'm trying to talk Corky 
into going to some other than do ebay so much.

  I don't remember if W.A.I.T listed them or not.

Blabber on:

  We took a good look at his 4hp HC Horizontal Famous yesterday. This baby 
is fantastic  with all the camming devices, possible compression 
release??...Economizer for lack of a better word.


   He's got the makings of a true ole iron nut as he's got a "M" all tore 
apart and now wants to dig into the Famous:-)  The gas tank is a real 
puzzler to me in that it's got two "thru Holes" in it that Cork thinks it's 
for mounting.  I don't think so but guess it's possible.  We got the engine 
in pieces so will have to pursue that down the road.

  He's got several IHC manuals but would like to correspond with any other 
owners...probably thru me as he doesn't keyboard.

Well..look out for water below, it's starting to rise up here.

later friends
RickinMt.
http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 


From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 19 09:19:46 2005
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:19:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT  Blue Print for Maypole Braider & Banknote Engraver 
Message-ID: <20050119171947.25696.qmail@web52707.mail.yahoo.com>

You can rest assured that as soon as I come up with a blue print for
the maypole braider that I will share it with anyone who wants a copy. 

Unfortunately, the banknote engraver is only good for producing your
own unique art or personal banknote designs. It is just about worthless
for reverse engineering or copying anything that already exists since
the mathematical complexity of its operation is even more profound than
the Enigma Machines that the Axis powers used for message encryption
during WW2! To reproduce the designs already in use the original
settings would have to be known, and you can bet that those are kept
locked up in a vault and as heavily guarded as the formula for Coca
Cola! Back in the late 1950?s and early 1960?s the Northern Signal
Company of Saukville, Wisconsin, manufactured a well-made geometric
design drawing toy that went by the name of ?Magic Designer?, which was
formerly called the ?Hoot Nanny?, that was a highly simplified version
of the banknote geometric lathe. In about 1984 an even simpler version
called a spirograph was made. Those machines were popular for making
attractive designs for personalized greeting cards. Another pattern
drawing machine toy that I think was called a gyrograph was made around
1973 that used a ball point pen attached to a pendulum to trace the
swinging patterns on paper. I have a ?Magic Designer? that I got in
1959 and I have only seen a very few since then. They are probably on
eBay, I?ll have to look. I have some photos posted of the ?Magic
Designer? and some of the designs drawn with it. Go to:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/linstrum/album%20one/resizemagicdesigner4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/linstrum/album%20one/resizemagicdesigner6.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/linstrum/album%20one/resizemagicdesigner7.jpg

I hope they are accessible. If you can?t view the photos I will email
them to any who provides an email address.

Rich Allen



From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Wed Jan 19 12:21:50 2005
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:21:50 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Associated muffler
References: <011920050142.8459.41EDBB19000CB6D80000210B22070009530A020709020A9D03@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00b801c4fe64$82195720$3775833e@harryp1811>

Starbolt sells them for $30.00
They are good nice looking mufflers. I have two of them on my Hired Hand and
Hired Man.



Harry Terpstra
Sint Annaparochie
Netherlands
h.terpstra at wxs.nl
http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html



----- Original Message -----
From: <mrengine at comcast.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 2:42 AM
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Associated muffler


> Anybody have an original Associated muffler they would sell? It's 1" pipe
thread for AC Hired Hand. I have a Economy muffler I could trade too.Thanks
Frank
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Jan 19 13:59:47 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:59:47 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Not Quite OT: Gray Motor (And Hammond Organ) Trivia
References: <8BFA55BF-6A24-11D9-9CA4-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <007701c4fe72$32782d00$8c9f0952@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 2:15 PM
Subject: [SEL] Not Quite OT: Gray Motor (And Hammond Organ) Trivia


> I love mechanical devices, electronics (mainly of the vacuum tube sort) 
> and music. I've gotten interested in old Hammond organs, which combine 
> all 3. I'm reading a book on them right now, and learned that Laurens 
> Hammond, the thoroughly nonmusical, tone-deaf, mechanically brilliant 
> engineer who invented the organ, served as the Chief Engineer of the 
> Gray Motor Company from 1918-1920. He didn't really like that job and 
> was able to leave it when he invented a silent spring-driven clock 
> movement. He was the inventor of the synchronous AC motor clock, which 
> was responsible for the standardization and close regulation of power 
> line frequency across the US. (He gave electric clocks to the 
> executives of the power companies. That did the trick.) An early 
> invention, when he was 10 and living in France, was an automatic 
> transmission for cars. He didn't follow his mother's advice to show it 
> to Renault's chief engineer, however. He invented the two-color 3D film 
> viewing goggles, guidance systems for glide bombs, missiles and 
> torpedos, and assorted other stuff. Not to mention the Hammond organ, 
> which every modern electronic keyboard attempts to emulate. The 
> spinning tone wheel and magnetic pickup tone generator of the Hammond 
> was derived from the Telharmonium, a 1909 invention of Thaddeus Cahill 
> that used big toothed gears as the pole pieces of huge alternators that 
> generated musical AC frequencies directly (no amplification) that would 
> be piped over telephone lines to speakers in subscribers' homes. The 
> parts of the instrument had to be shipped in 5 railroad cars!
> Anyway, thought y'all'd like to know his Gray Motor Company collection, 
> especially you marine engine enthusiasts. :-)
> John Culp

Hi John, about 20 years ago I had a part time job repairing electric organs.
I just did this to provide my beer money! The circuits were mainly I/C's on
the PCB's. I still have a folder of circuit diagrams & I think I also have a bag 
of I/C's somewhere.
I only worked on one large Hammond & I was horrified when I took the back 
off to find all the horizontal revolving shafts with the tone wheels instead of circuit boards.
I only survived that job because my day job was an Electro-Mechanical 
*telephone exchange engineer. (*Central Office engineer in American)
Most Hammonds had disappeared even then. 
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Jan 19 14:06:55 2005
From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:06:55 -0800
Subject: [SEL] NW Swap Meets
Message-ID: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10120F6F6@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>

Richard,

The Branch 15 swap meet at Brooks Oregon in June is the biggest west
coast swap meet.  It's worth the drive from MT.

The Roy Washington swap meet in April is the first NW swap meet each
year, but may not be worth a drive from MT as it isn't that big of a
swap meet.  It also conflicts with the Tulare California show which is
where I'll be heading instead!

W.A.I.T. lists all the western swap meets in the publication plus flyers
for some of them.  The coming events page on the www.irontrader.com
website will also have the dates.  (I haven't updated this lately and
most likely won't until the February issue goes out the end of this
month.)

George
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Strobel
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:07 AM
> To: SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] NW Swap Meets
> 
>   Howdy all from balmy Mt...the Missouri has to be risin'
> 
>   Looking for a listing for NW U.S. Swap meets as I'm trying 
> to talk Corky into going to some other than do ebay so much.
> 
>   I don't remember if W.A.I.T listed them or not.
> 



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 19 13:59:29 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:59:29 -0600
Subject: [SEL] something to dream about owning
References: <001901c4fd5c$9efc4d10$8c9f0952@no1> <41EE6915.60102@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <008d01c4fe72$27932ca0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>

 I'd have thought someone would want a beautiful mackine like that in a 
> museum,and run it on steam, as it was intended.

> What a draw that would be to a theme park or mall....you'd have to pay a 
> "Stationary Engineer", but running that behind plexiglass 
> panels.....what a draw. I'd drive 100 miles or more just to see it.
 

That would get kind of expensive after a while ,  boiling all that water ,
Maybe an electric motor and a belt , and it wont heat up my living room so 
bad in the summer and make my guitars all soggy and thuddy .  Line shafts 
and flat belts from there to every ceiling  fan in the joint .


Chuck 


From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 19 14:13:48 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:13:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fairmont Railcar Motor Carb 
Message-ID: <009501c4fe74$26e01e60$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>

http://motorcar.winkworth.us/manuals/man_pha5_1938.jpg

Anybody got one of these for a hopper cooled P-series Fairmont ?  Its a
Schebler  looking OE unit
from fairmont .A timer would be nice too .



From Vivas1993 at aol.com  Wed Jan 19 16:29:04 2005
From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:29:04 EST
Subject: [SEL] NW Swap Meets
Message-ID: <9.3bdb61be.2f205550@aol.com>

Hi Rick,
 The 2 holes through the gas tank are for mounting it. I have an 8hp IHC 
Famous, and 2 threaded rods go through the tank, and bolt through 2 pieces of wood 
under the tank, this is the original way the tank was supported
 The wood is looks like a piece of 1 X 6. 
 Good luck,
 Dwight,
 Matoaca, VA.


From 39sedan at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 19 17:05:26 2005
From: 39sedan at sbcglobal.net (39 Sedan)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:05:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] patent search
Message-ID: <001c01c4fe8c$2191db20$a06ce504@c9r8r9>

Hi guys, In the past I have saw some of the U.S. patent searches you guy's have ran. I hope someone can help me with this one. I have a spark plug,no name on the insulator.It is a take apart plug .On the base the flats are stamped A.C. with a patent date of OCT 18,1899.I don't know which this could be a) "ALBERT CHAMPION COMPANY" Boston Mass,(1906-07) or B) Champion ignition co,Flint Mich,sometimes marked CICO or A.C. AFTER 1908.The time of the patent date 10/18/1899 Albert champion was working with Charles Metz for Waltham manufacturing in waltham Mass.The patent should be in Albert champion's name.I don't have the patent number.Can any one help? DALE MARK <FLINT MICH>>>39sedan at sbcglobal.net

From sleis at mwt.net  Wed Jan 19 19:56:57 2005
From: sleis at mwt.net (Stacy Leis)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:56:57 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Lindsay-Alamo type A
Message-ID: <000a01c4fea4$1727ea40$2d55becf@computer>

Hi List 

   I'm restoring a Lindsay Alamo type A and I have found traces of red paint.I thought that they were blue so could someone tell my why some are blue and some are red and a good red paint match in a spray can?
                                        Stacy

From skipl at montana.com  Wed Jan 19 18:09:31 2005
From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:09:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] NW Swap Meets
References: <BAY3-DAV3D87765D900AD63E7A80ABB800@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41EF12DB.F2932ED2@montana.com>

rick, it is a compression release, the through holes in the tank are for
mounting. i have a one horse hopper cooled, one horse air cooled, a 2 1/2
hopper cooled, a 3 horse vertical, & a 10 horse tank cooled. all famouses [ is
that a word?] be happy to jaw with you about ihc.  skip

Richard Strobel wrote:

>   Howdy all from balmy Mt...the Missouri has to be risin'
>
>   Looking for a listing for NW U.S. Swap meets as I'm trying to talk Corky
> into going to some other than do ebay so much.
>
>   I don't remember if W.A.I.T listed them or not.
>
> Blabber on:
>
>   We took a good look at his 4hp HC Horizontal Famous yesterday. This baby
> is fantastic  with all the camming devices, possible compression
> release??...Economizer for lack of a better word.
>
>    He's got the makings of a true ole iron nut as he's got a "M" all tore
> apart and now wants to dig into the Famous:-)  The gas tank is a real
> puzzler to me in that it's got two "thru Holes" in it that Cork thinks it's
> for mounting.  I don't think so but guess it's possible.  We got the engine
> in pieces so will have to pursue that down the road.
>
>   He's got several IHC manuals but would like to correspond with any other
> owners...probably thru me as he doesn't keyboard.
>
> Well..look out for water below, it's starting to rise up here.
>
> later friends
> RickinMt.
> http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Jan 19 18:30:19 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:30:19 EST
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
Message-ID: <fc.af93923.2f2071bb@aol.com>

Hi,
I find that I am having trouble establishing priorities on projects  that I 
get started and then for some reason before finishing the project I get  
started on another one.
As an example, I started to get my Johnson reassembled.  Then  I found that I 
needed to get the magneto remagnized.  The person does my  magneto work has 
been sick with the flu and pneumonia and will not be able to  get the work done 
until next month.  Thus, the Johnson project is on  hold.
Next example is, I have started to get the IHC LB running.  In  trying to get 
it running right, I had to grind the valves.  My neighbor has  a seat 
grinder.  However, he couldn't find the correct pilot.  After a  couple of phone 
calls, I was able to borrow one.  I was able to get head  reworked and assembled 
to the engine.  Of course, I had to make some new  oiling felts for the valve 
stems.  To do this,  I make some  punches cut the felts to the correct 
diameter.  
The person from whom I borrowed the pilot called me yesterday  and told me to 
come and pick up a Black and Decker valve grinder that he didn't  need.  Now, 
I am in the process of building a roll away table for this new  tool addition.
Am I the only one who has these types of interference or this to be  expected 
when working with old iron.
 
 
Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 


From brock at netspeed.com.au  Thu Jan 20 00:40:07 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:40:07 +1100
Subject: [SEL] White gasoline engine 
Message-ID: <001101c4fecb$a6c9dd80$5f11fea9@merlin>

G,day All 

i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy working on my white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so 
i have updated some pics on my webshots page 
Brock Summerfield
ACT Australia  
brock at netspeed.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198

From brock at netspeed.com.au  Thu Jan 20 01:42:24 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:42:24 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine 
Message-ID: <004801c4fed4$5a1c9140$5f11fea9@merlin>




G,day All 

i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy working on my white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so 
i have updated some pics on my webshots page 
Brock Summerfield
ACT Australia  
brock at netspeed.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198

From brock at netspeed.com.au  Thu Jan 20 01:52:52 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:52:52 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine 
Message-ID: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin>




G,day All 

i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy working on my white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so 
i have updated some pics on my webshots page 
Brock Summerfield
ACT Australia  
brock at netspeed.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198

From prepair at easynet.co.uk  Thu Jan 20 02:03:17 2005
From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:03:17 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
In-Reply-To: <fc.af93923.2f2071bb@aol.com>
References: <fc.af93923.2f2071bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <gc0vu0pioirft1303bs5coi7f3lllv6jkc@4ax.com>

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:30:19 EST, you wrote:

>Hi,
>I find that I am having trouble establishing priorities on projects  that I 
>get started and then for some reason before finishing the project I get  
>started on another one.

<snipped>

> Now, 
>I am in the process of building a roll away table for this new  tool addition.
>Am I the only one who has these types of interference or this to be  expected 
>when working with old iron.
> 
> 
>Francis Maciel
>Santa Maria, CA 

Sounds pretty much like most of us :-))

(Time to go to bed isn't it?)


Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK
prepair at easynet.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jan 20 03:47:38 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:47:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Lindsay-Alamo type A
References: <000a01c4fea4$1727ea40$2d55becf@computer>
Message-ID: <002c01c4fee5$d7466fe0$966e8645@carolina.rr.com>

Mine is original and a deep maroon with black pinstriping highlighted in
yellow.
Mike Royster
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stacy Leis" <sleis at mwt.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 10:56 PM
Subject: [SEL] Lindsay-Alamo type A


Hi List

   I'm restoring a Lindsay Alamo type A and I have found traces of red
paint.I thought that they were blue so could someone tell my why some are
blue and some are red and a good red paint match in a spray can?
                                        Stacy
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From ELIDAS at aol.com  Thu Jan 20 04:18:43 2005
From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:18:43 EST
Subject: [SEL] Not Quite OT: Gray Motor (And Hammond Organ) Trivia
Message-ID: <1e9.33c227b2.2f20fba3@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/20/2005 2:48:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:



> I love mechanical devices, electronics (mainly of the  vacuum tube sort) 
> and music. I've gotten interested in old Hammond  organs, which combine 
> all 3. I'm reading a book on them right now,  and learned that Laurens 
> Hammond, the thoroughly nonmusical,  tone-deaf, mechanically brilliant 
> engineer who invented the organ,  served as the Chief Engineer of the 



I worked for a Hammond dealer when I was a kid. (52 know) I always  call it 
my music career.  I delivered them. Hammond's were (are) very  popular, used by 
most rock bands. The guy I delivered with was probably one of  the best blues 
organists in New England. The organs had a great sound and were  known for 
their extreme ruggedness-being dropped off stage was not unheard of-a  B-3 with 
two Leslies was unbeatable. 
  If we can figure out how to get it to Tenn I have the remnants of an  "H" 
you can have.
 Mike


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jan 20 04:24:56 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:24:56 -0000
Subject: [SEL] something to dream about owning
References: <001901c4fd5c$9efc4d10$8c9f0952@no1> <41EE6915.60102@comcast.net>
	<008d01c4fe72$27932ca0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
Message-ID: <005901c4feeb$0e3042b0$8c9f0952@no1>

Hi Chuck, The manchester science Museum manages to run
steam engines that size slowly on steam generated in a small enclosure
outside the museum. 
It must be some form of electric instant steam generator
I will ask next time I visit. See http://www.msim.org.uk/
This Museum is well worth a visit to any visitors to the NW.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kerogas at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] something to dream about owning


> I'd have thought someone would want a beautiful mackine like that in a 
> > museum,and run it on steam, as it was intended.
> 
> > What a draw that would be to a theme park or mall....you'd have to pay a 
> > "Stationary Engineer", but running that behind plexiglass 
> > panels.....what a draw. I'd drive 100 miles or more just to see it.
>  
> 
> That would get kind of expensive after a while ,  boiling all that water ,
> Maybe an electric motor and a belt , and it wont heat up my living room so 
> bad in the summer and make my guitars all soggy and thuddy .  Line shafts 
> and flat belts from there to every ceiling  fan in the joint .
> 
> 
> Chuck 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jan 20 04:30:47 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:30:47 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
References: <fc.af93923.2f2071bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <006801c4feeb$dfd1e120$8c9f0952@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 2:30 AM
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects


> Hi,
> I find that I am having trouble establishing priorities on projects  that I 
> get started and then for some reason before finishing the project I get  
> started on another one.
> As an example, I started to get my Johnson reassembled.  Then  I found that I 
> needed to get the magneto remagnized.  The person does my  magneto work has 
> been sick with the flu and pneumonia and will not be able to  get the work done 
> until next month.  Thus, the Johnson project is on  hold.
> Next example is, I have started to get the IHC LB running.  In  trying to get 
> it running right, I had to grind the valves.  My neighbor has  a seat 
> grinder.  However, he couldn't find the correct pilot.  After a  couple of phone 
> calls, I was able to borrow one.  I was able to get head  reworked and assembled 
> to the engine.  Of course, I had to make some new  oiling felts for the valve 
> stems.  To do this,  I make some  punches cut the felts to the correct 
> diameter.  
> The person from whom I borrowed the pilot called me yesterday  and told me to 
> come and pick up a Black and Decker valve grinder that he didn't  need.  Now, 
> I am in the process of building a roll away table for this new  tool addition.
> Am I the only one who has these types of interference or this to be  expected 
> when working with old iron.
> Francis Maciel

Hi Francis, we might have some of your problems but
it isn't usually caused for us by having lots of help & 
free gifts. 8^)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jan 20 04:40:57 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:40:57 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Wolsley information.
Message-ID: <007001c4feed$4b6d3910$8c9f0952@no1>

The letter below was posted to the UK engine group.
Perhaps it could be of interest to some Aussie members!
_________________________________________________________
I am involved with Norman Painting in publishing his latest book
"Herbert Austin: New Light on the Wolseley Years." It is based on
recently-discovered material. We hope to get it on the bookshelves in
time for the Austin/Longbridge Centenary celebrations in June/July. A
number of  areas of research remain unresolved, hence this approach to
Wolseley stationary engine experts.

When Herbert Austin was working for Wolseley Sheep Shearing Machine Co
Ltd in the 1890s he designed, built and patented a new portable STEAM
ENGINE and gear for shearing. This represents his first known attempt
to design an engine of any sort. It was a vertical design, unlike his
first motor car petrol engines a few years later which were all of
horizontal configuration.

The steam engine was a two-cylinder design with a novel form of valve
gear, covered by patent number 13879-1893. In July 1893 the company
exhibited the new portable steam engine at the Highland & Agricultural
Society Show in Edinburgh. Interest was very favourable and Messrs.
Carruther&#8217;s & Son of Glasgow immediately requested an agency for
selling the portable shearing gear. A similar request was made by R.
J. Hawkes, believed to be from New Zealand.

Austin also developed an early portable oil engine which was completed
and tested by October 1896. The engines were apparently made in sizes
of  4, 7 and 12 b.h.p. In June 1898 the Royal Agricultural Society
held their Birmingham Show in Four Oaks Park, Birmingham and Wolseley
are mentioned in the list of exhibitors of gas/oil engines. We know
from records that these engines sold in Australia: Messrs. Sanderson
Murray & Co., of Tasmania ordered "oil portable engines, and 11 sets
of machines" in January 1898.

We have been unable to locate any illustrations or extant examples of
these machines. If you have come across references to these machines,
or have any idea where such information might be found, we would be
very pleased to hear from you.

With best wishes Peter Allen
______________________________________________________________________
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jan 20 04:44:27 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:44:27 +1100
Subject: [SEL] White gasoline engine 
In-Reply-To: <001101c4fecb$a6c9dd80$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <200501201244.j0KCiTkG033739@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

The White is looking great Brock. I look forward to seeing it all nicely
painted and running at a rally soon ;)
It certainly is a rare beastie. Of the 26000 engine pictures I have on file
the only vertical White engine pictures I have are of your one!
Does anyone know of any of these in the USA?

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

G,day All 

i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy working on my
white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so 
i have updated some pics on my webshots page 
Brock Summerfield
ACT Australia  
brock at netspeed.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
_______________________________________________




From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jan 20 04:58:20 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:58:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NW Swap Meets
In-Reply-To: <9.3bdb61be.2f205550@aol.com>
References: <9.3bdb61be.2f205550@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41EFAAEC.1060205@imc-group.com>

Dwight,
I need to make a gas tank for my 8HP Famous. Could I trouble you for a 
drawing/sketch of that tank to help me make one correctly?
For several years I have been using a temporary little round tank, but I 
need to get it back to original. It's tucked behind the front frame bolster.
Here is a pict of the engine.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2004/PA090003.JPG
Curt

Vivas1993 at aol.com wrote:

>Hi Rick,
> The 2 holes through the gas tank are for mounting it. I have an 8hp IHC 
>Famous, and 2 threaded rods go through the tank, and bolt through 2 pieces of wood 
>under the tank, this is the original way the tank was supported
> The wood is looks like a piece of 1 X 6. 
> Good luck,
> Dwight,
> Matoaca, VA.
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jan 20 04:56:18 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:56:18 EST
Subject: [SEL] patent search
Message-ID: <c4.1f39a2e9.2f210472@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/20/2005 4:08:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
39sedan at sbcglobal.net writes:

<< In the past I have saw some of the U.S. patent searches  >>


Dale,

It is time consuming finding patents with just the date especially with a 
slow country connection, but I have done it and have had others help doing it 
too.  Go to patent office:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/srchnum.htm

Type in a "guess" patent number in the "query" box. For example, type in 
400000 and see what happens.  
 Next page click on "images"
This will bring up the patent and date. Patent item March 19, 1989
 Keep making up numbers until you find the number for the patent date you are 
looking for.  
Once you find a number that matches the date, then go back or forward 
adding/subtracting one number at a time until you find the patent that matches the 
item you are looking for.  In your case a sparkplug.  There might be several 
hundred patents issued for that date because from what I can observe, all patents 
issued for a particular week are given a patent date of that Monday.

There may be a simpler way, but I have not found it.

Good luck,

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jan 20 05:12:31 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:12:31 EST
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
Message-ID: <1d4.34277cb3.2f21083f@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/20/2005 4:40:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
FRM8198 at aol.com writes:

<< Am I the only one who has these types of interference or this to be  
expected 
 when working with old iron. >>

Francis,

>From my limited knowledge and 61 years, I am sorry to report that it is my 
observation that it is an illness which there is no cure. My shop has become 
paths due to this continuing problem.  The worse part is that I am still looking 
for more projects to bring home!!!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jan 20 07:13:38 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:13:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Lindsay-Alamo type A
In-Reply-To: <000a01c4fea4$1727ea40$2d55becf@computer>
References: <000a01c4fea4$1727ea40$2d55becf@computer>
Message-ID: <42168.165.206.180.118.1106234018.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

Alamo Blue-Line was a blue color.
Lindsay-Alamo - I have one, not an A, and it is black as the ace of
spades, much original paint.

I thought these were a Maroon color, not really red, but a deeper color.

bilL

> Hi List
>
>    I'm restoring a Lindsay Alamo type A and I have found traces of red
> paint.I thought that they were blue so could someone tell my why some
> are blue and some are red and a good red paint match in a spray can?
>                                         Stacy
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From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Thu Jan 20 07:41:35 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 02:41:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine 
References: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <001b01c4ff06$87c15ea0$3d3354d2@cam>

Bloody nice engine Brock and good to see you back in the picture. I picked
up a nice restored 3hp Austral ( mag start ) a couple of weeks ago. Are you
going to Naracoorte. Catchya Cam
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:52 PM
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine





G,day All

i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy working on my
white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so
i have updated some pics on my webshots page
Brock Summerfield
ACT Australia
brock at netspeed.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
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From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jan 20 08:36:13 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:36:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
In-Reply-To: <fc.af93923.2f2071bb@aol.com>
References: <fc.af93923.2f2071bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41EFDDFD.9050805@imc-group.com>

FRM8198 at aol.com wrote:

>As an example, I started to get my Johnson reassembled. 
>
Ouch, that had to hurt ;-)
Curt


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jan 20 08:32:09 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:32:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
In-Reply-To: <fc.af93923.2f2071bb@aol.com>
References: <fc.af93923.2f2071bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501201131160.77857@vegeta.city-net.com>

DAMN Francis, that's gotta hurt like hell!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 FRM8198 at aol.com wrote:

> As an example, I started to get my Johnson reassembled.


From Vivas1993 at aol.com  Thu Jan 20 08:54:07 2005
From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:54:07 EST
Subject: [SEL] NW Swap Meets
Message-ID: <f4.489793ce.2f213c2f@aol.com>

Hi Curt,
 No problem, as soon as it warms up a little, I'll get a some measurements 
and get the info. to you.   My tank needs some work, it's got a few holes in the 
bottom, but it's nothing that can't be fixed.
 Nice looking engine !
 Dwight


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jan 20 09:03:32 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:03:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] patent search
In-Reply-To: <c4.1f39a2e9.2f210472@aol.com>
References: <c4.1f39a2e9.2f210472@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501201157020.77857@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Tom,

That's a really good summary of the "patent search problem."

Fortunatly, there may be a solution.  We have a number of folks on the
list who enjoy the "seven day weekend."  Clearly winter is a slack time
for them.  Perhaps they could spend some time doing a service that would
benefit everyone.

All they would need to do is to download and save the first text page of
each patent.  Then use OCR software (like the one that comes with a
scanner) to convert that page to searchable text.  Then they put all of
that info into one big file that we could search.

Easy peasy.  Do we have a volunteer?

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

> It is time consuming finding patents with just the date especially with a
> slow country connection, but I have done it and have had others help doing it
> too.  Go to patent office:
>
> http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/srchnum.htm
>
> Type in a "guess" patent number in the "query" box. For example, type in
> 400000 and see what happens.
> Next page click on "images"
> This will bring up the patent and date. Patent item March 19, 1989
> Keep making up numbers until you find the number for the patent date you are
> looking for.
> Once you find a number that matches the date, then go back or forward
> adding/subtracting one number at a time until you find the patent that matches the
> item you are looking for.  In your case a sparkplug.  There might be several
> hundred patents issued for that date because from what I can observe, all patents
> issued for a particular week are given a patent date of that Monday.
>
> There may be a simpler way, but I have not found it.



From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Jan 20 09:28:47 2005
From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:28:47 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
Message-ID: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10129744D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> FRM8198 at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 6:30 PM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
> 
> Hi,
> I find that I am having trouble establishing priorities on 
> projects  that I get started and then for some reason before 
> finishing the project I get started on another one.


Finish a project???? What's that? ;-)

My shop and barns are full of unfinished projects.

One of the reasons I now try to buy running and complete engines as I
know from experience that I won't get it running if it takes anything
greater than a day of tinkering with it.

15+ years ago when life was simplier and I had more time I was better at
getting things finished, but as I get older it seems that I aquire
things because they're a good deal forgetting that I don't have time for
the projects I already have.

To make matters worse, I've been looking at buying a fishing boat!  That
will really help in getting projects finished!

I might have to start thinking about retiring from work as I don't have
time for working now with all the projects I have.

George



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 20 10:09:48 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:09:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] something to dream about owning
References: <001901c4fd5c$9efc4d10$8c9f0952@no1>
	<41EE6915.60102@comcast.net><008d01c4fe72$27932ca0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
	<005901c4feeb$0e3042b0$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <009201c4ff1b$3b3bef40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>



> It must be some form of electric instant steam generator
> I will ask next time I visit. See http://www.msim.org.uk/

A flash boiler like a Stanley maybe .

Im not sure but do these  cats have a USS Enterprise hanging from the
ceiling ?
http://www.msim.org.uk/images/Gallery_01_Galleries/Air%20Space%20interior.jp
g
"Where the arts and sciences are flourishing,
  Where smoke from factory chimneys bring
  The air so black, so thick, and nourishing."

Industrious folks in Manchester eh ?



From 39sedan at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 20 11:13:10 2005
From: 39sedan at sbcglobal.net (39 Sedan)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:13:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] patent search
References: <c4.1f39a2e9.2f210472@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001801c4ff24$15ed5f40$fd6ce504@c9r8r9>

Thanks Tom,I am putting together a display.I have a 4cyl magneto that was 
marketed by the "Albert Champion Company" Boston Mass.(1906-07).That plug is 
one I want to fire with the mag.Each plug will mark a major event to the 
company.All are restored now I need to document each of them.I will try your 
method to find this patent. I know I will be on a fishing trip.Thanks 
again>>>>DALE MARK  FLINT MICH>>39sedan at sbcglobal.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] patent search


> In a message dated 1/20/2005 4:08:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> 39sedan at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> << In the past I have saw some of the U.S. patent searches  >>
>
>
> Dale,
>
> It is time consuming finding patents with just the date especially with a
> slow country connection, but I have done it and have had others help doing 
> it
> too.  Go to patent office:
>
> http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/srchnum.htm
>
> Type in a "guess" patent number in the "query" box. For example, type in
> 400000 and see what happens.
> Next page click on "images"
> This will bring up the patent and date. Patent item March 19, 1989
> Keep making up numbers until you find the number for the patent date you 
> are
> looking for.
> Once you find a number that matches the date, then go back or forward
> adding/subtracting one number at a time until you find the patent that 
> matches the
> item you are looking for.  In your case a sparkplug.  There might be 
> several
> hundred patents issued for that date because from what I can observe, all 
> patents
> issued for a particular week are given a patent date of that Monday.
>
> There may be a simpler way, but I have not found it.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Jan 20 11:18:33 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:18:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
Message-ID: <20050120.111833.168.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Francis.
I thought that was the way everyone did it.   I always have 3 or 4
engines apart at the same time.  I never have to worry what to work on, I
have a choice.  Oh, then there is the new engine that just needs a little
work.


Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside California USA
http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jan 20 13:27:58 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:27:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] NW Swap Meets
References: <BAY3-DAV3D87765D900AD63E7A80ABB800@phx.gbl>
	<41EF12DB.F2932ED2@montana.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV9EF001BB0BFCE020C2F82BB810@phx.gbl>

Thanks guys..he appreciates the info!  Does the fuel pump plunger just pull 
out after the obvious is removed?  Stuck big time.

later,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "skip landis" <skipl at montana.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] NW Swap Meets


> rick, it is a compression release, the through holes in the tank are for
> mounting. i have a one horse hopper cooled, one horse air cooled, a 2 1/2
> hopper cooled, a 3 horse vertical, & a 10 horse tank cooled. all famouses 
> [ is
> that a word?] be happy to jaw with you about ihc.  skip
>
> Richard Strobel wrote:
>
> >   Howdy all from balmy Mt...the Missouri has to be risin'
> >
> >   Looking for a listing for NW U.S. Swap meets as I'm trying to talk 
> > Corky
> > into going to some other than do ebay so much.
> >
> >   I don't remember if W.A.I.T listed them or not.
> >
> > Blabber on:
> >
> >   We took a good look at his 4hp HC Horizontal Famous yesterday. This 
> > baby
> > is fantastic  with all the camming devices, possible compression
> > release??...Economizer for lack of a better word.
> >
> >    He's got the makings of a true ole iron nut as he's got a "M" all 
> > tore
> > apart and now wants to dig into the Famous:-)  The gas tank is a real
> > puzzler to me in that it's got two "thru Holes" in it that Cork thinks 
> > it's
> > for mounting.  I don't think so but guess it's possible.  We got the 
> > engine
> > in pieces so will have to pursue that down the road.
> >
> >   He's got several IHC manuals but would like to correspond with any 
> > other
> > owners...probably thru me as he doesn't keyboard.
> >
> > Well..look out for water below, it's starting to rise up here.
> >
> > later friends
> > RickinMt.
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Jan 20 15:22:48 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:22:48 +0800
Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
Message-ID: <002101c4ff46$f8df64c0$03ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>

I have just taken to pieces a down draught carby from a little Cooper [ iron 
horse]. The float bowl chamber was full of a white oxide presumably 
corrosion from the  Aluminium.When i say full ,it was just about bursting 
out. I have given it a very light sand blast which has removed most of the 
white oxide .
Question ..........will it grow again and is there any other way of removing 
it and neutralising the corrosion?



Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Thu Jan 20 15:39:58 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:39:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
References: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <002b01c4ff49$5b5662a0$c684dccb@oemcomputer>

You know my feelings on this engine .I have left a space where it will fit
in my already crowded shed.We can lift it of with the Towmotor when you get
here on Friday week.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:52
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine





G,day All

i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy working on my
white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so
i have updated some pics on my webshots page
Brock Summerfield
ACT Australia
brock at netspeed.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Thu Jan 20 18:01:33 2005
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:01:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] patent search
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501201157020.77857@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <c4.1f39a2e9.2f210472@aol.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0501201157020.77857@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20050120203854.03a00ec0@MAIL1.THEBOOK.COM>

It has been a long long time since I did a patent search but as I recall 
You could search by multiple inputs  such as subject category  (a 
number)  assignee,  and range of dates.  This what not on the Internet. I 
did it at one of the  Libraries that house patent info.  I used the one in 
Buffalo NY.  The librarians were very helpful in getting me started. I 
don't recall if the old stuff was computerized at that time.  This site 
might help you.
Patent and Trademark Depository Library Program 
(PTDLP)  http://www.uspto.gov/go/ptdl/

   I haven't tried it since.  In the other patents I have, I had the luxury 
of some one else paying for the search (and being the assignee).

BTW  if any one with a slow country connection wants a Direcway satellite 
hook up email me I have one for sale.

Frank



>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>
> > It is time consuming finding patents with just the date especially with a
> > slow country connection, but I have done it and have had others help 
> doing it
> > too.  Go to patent office:
> >
> > http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/srchnum.htm
> >

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From Todengine at aol.com  Thu Jan 20 18:09:58 2005
From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:09:58 EST
Subject: [SEL] something to dream about owning
Message-ID: <29.6b0e03b2.2f21be76@aol.com>

Yep thats a Galaxy class starship alright!   It could be the USS Yamato, not 
the Enterprise! :-)

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Heritage Park
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
http://www.todengine.org/
Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Jan 20 18:55:50 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:55:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Not Quite OT: Gray Motor (And Hammond Organ) Trivia
In-Reply-To: <007701c4fe72$32782d00$8c9f0952@no1>
References: <8BFA55BF-6A24-11D9-9CA4-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
	<007701c4fe72$32782d00$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <F523B0FA-6B57-11D9-8363-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>


On Jan 19, 2005, at 4:59 PM, Dave Croft wrote:

> Hi John, about 20 years ago I had a part time job repairing electric 
> organs.
> I just did this to provide my beer money! The circuits were mainly 
> I/C's on
> the PCB's. I still have a folder of circuit diagrams & I think I also 
> have a bag
> of I/C's somewhere.
> I only worked on one large Hammond & I was horrified when I took the 
> back
> off to find all the horizontal revolving shafts with the tone wheels 
> instead of circuit boards.
> I only survived that job because my day job was an Electro-Mechanical
> *telephone exchange engineer. (*Central Office engineer in American)
> Most Hammonds had disappeared even then.

Hammonds, like hit and miss engines, haven't quite disappeared and 
can't quite be replaced by anything else. :-)

I've just come home from the music store, the manager of which is a 
real Hammond guru and who's been egging me on. He's got Hammonds and 
Leslies everywhere. There's a really nice B3 in the back that I've been 
drooling over, and a Leslie 122 close to it. A bit out of my range, 
though. I'm in the process of trying to talk the old folks' Sunday 
School class, The Loyal Bereans, into giving me the beautiful little 
Hammond M3 spinet in their classroom that needs more TLC than would be 
economically feasible to hire professionally done, but would be a great 
project for me. Sort of like fixing up an old engine. Those little 
spinet Hammonds are essentially valueless at the moment, but the guts 
of a B3 and an M3 are nearly identical. The main difference is that the 
M3's missing about an octave and a half on the low end of the manuals, 
and only has 12 bass pedals. If the Loyal Bereans don't want to let me 
have their (currently useless) M3, another'll turn up before long. And 
K.D. (the aforesaid Hammond guru) is probably about to take in an 
obscure Leslie Model 600 on a debt. That one's horizontal instead of 
vertical, looking much like a '60s stereo cabinet. Gigging musicians 
don't like 'em because of their shape and awkwardness for moving, but 
it'd be fine in a house, and I just might get a (relatively) cheap 
Leslie that way! I don't have a background of organ playing, but do 
have some piano experience, and I can figure it out! (Who'll really 
take to it is my boy Joe. He can play just about anything. I hear him 
downstairs teaching himself harmonica right now.)

Jane won't be thrilled about me dragging big stuff like organs and 
Leslies in, but she'll get used to it. Better to ask forgiveness than 
permission, so mum's the word.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Jan 20 20:02:50 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:02:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] patent search
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501201157020.77857@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <c4.1f39a2e9.2f210472@aol.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0501201157020.77857@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050120225818.02438418@mail.alltel.net>


>Easy peasy.  Do we have a volunteer?
>
>See ya,  Arnie

Before I went on this welfare program that some call retirement, I was 
making somewhere around $225.00/$275.00 per hour. I'm older and slower now 
however, so I'll do the research for $175.00 per hour for anyone who wants 
it done.
         Dave
PS, Printouts will be an additional $6.00 per page. 



From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jan 20 20:57:00 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:57:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Gas Fired Soldering Iron Stove
Message-ID: <20050121.000316.1260.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Curt,

Reading my most recent issue of GEM reminded me of the 
Soldering Iron Stove you have.

Did you ever get the supply tube open.?

It just dawned on me - - - Does that tube have a wick in it - 
Similar to a Blow Torch???

I believe a blow torch has a wick with a wire in the tube.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From brock at netspeed.com.au  Fri Jan 21 00:29:56 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:29:56 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
References: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin>
	<002b01c4ff49$5b5662a0$c684dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <00af01c4ff93$6563c810$5f11fea9@merlin>

yeah i just finihsed loading about 50 maytags & moffit virtues that i,ll 
dump on you
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine


> You know my feelings on this engine .I have left a space where it will fit
> in my already crowded shed.We can lift it of with the Towmotor when you 
> get
> here on Friday week.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:52
> Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>
>
>
>
>
> G,day All
>
> i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy working on 
> my
> white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so
> i have updated some pics on my webshots page
> Brock Summerfield
> ACT Australia
> brock at netspeed.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
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From jbcast at charter.net  Fri Jan 21 03:05:47 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:05:47 +0000
Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
Message-ID: <3khj1h$gl8bfj@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net>


> 
> I have just taken to pieces a down draught carby from a little Cooper [ iron 
> horse]. The float bowl chamber was full of a white oxide presumably 
> corrosion from the  Aluminium.When i say full ,it was just about bursting 
> out. I have given it a very light sand blast which has removed most of the 
> white oxide .
> Question ..........will it grow again and is there any other way of removing 
> it and neutralising the corrosion?
 Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany

Peter, I would try to seal it with one of the thin epoxy fuel tank sealers. The corrosion will always be a problem. You'll have to be careful not to plug any passages,trace them out and blast with air after coating.
J.B. Castagnos



From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jan 21 05:04:52 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:04:52 EST
Subject: [SEL] patent search
Message-ID: <fc.b14e0e8.2f2257f4@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/20/2005 8:01:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

<<All they would need to do is to download and save the first text page of
each patent.  Then use OCR software (like the one that comes with a
scanner) to convert that page to searchable text.  Then they put all of
that info into one big file that we could search. Clearly winter is a slack 
time for them. Easy peasy.  Do we have a volunteer? >>

Arnie,

Me thinks the winter "doldrums" are definitely setting in on some of us!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jan 21 05:07:08 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:07:08 EST
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
Message-ID: <59.1f8466b7.2f22587c@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/20/2005 8:01:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
George_Best at adp.com writes:

<< I might have to start thinking about retiring from work as I don't have
 time for working now with all the projects I have. >>


Sorry to inform you George, but retiring will only make matters worse!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jan 21 05:59:04 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:59:04 EST
Subject: [SEL] Gas Fired Soldering Iron Stove
Message-ID: <19e.2d8adfb4.2f2264a8@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/21/2005 8:47:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, jlb94 at juno.com 
writes:

<< Soldering Iron Stove you have. Did you ever get the supply tube open.? >>

Joe,

That iron heater was mine, see photo at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/iron%20heater.jpg

The tube in question goes from the valve thru the tank and bends 90 deg 
towards the bottom of the tank.  I have not got it open, but soaking and not 
working on it much.  The tank was at least 1/4 full of dried junk which I have 
gotten out by rolling rocks in it. I assume the tube is in that condition too.  It 
is a neat soldering iron heater, the likes of which I have not seen before.  

I need to get back on this project!  

Thanks for asking,


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jan 21 06:36:06 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:36:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] patent search
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050120225818.02438418@mail.alltel.net>
References: <c4.1f39a2e9.2f210472@aol.com>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0501201157020.77857@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050120225818.02438418@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <41F11356.4090707@scrtc.com>

Dave,

    You sound like an old iron friend of mine who is a plumber.  He told 
me he got a call for a service run to a Drs. house.  It was a very minor 
problem and took about 15 minutes to fix.  The Dr. asked him how much he 
owed and my friend said "the service call base rate is $35".  The Dr. 
seemed outraged and said "why you were here for only 15 minutes, that's 
$140 and hour, thats twice what I make as a physician!".  My friend 
looked him squarely in the eye and said "yeah, thats about what I made 
when I was a physician too".  The doc paid up.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>> Easy peasy.  Do we have a volunteer?
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>
>
> Before I went on this welfare program that some call retirement, I was 
> making somewhere around $225.00/$275.00 per hour. I'm older and slower 
> now however, so I'll do the research for $175.00 per hour for anyone 
> who wants it done.
>         Dave
> PS, Printouts will be an additional $6.00 per page.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Fri Jan 21 06:54:18 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:54:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] patent search
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20050120203854.03a00ec0@MAIL1.THEBOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <20050121145418.36503.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com>



Arnie

Try taking a field trip to the Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh... 
http://www.clpgh.org/locations/reference/ptdl/

There are 2 sites here in IL, but I haven't ventured into Chicago or down
to Springfield to do some looking....I have heard that it is much faster
to look for old patents that way than hunting by guessing on the web.

The patent on Rick Monk's Kent Cement Mixer was found this way by another
person (I won't go into that story here).

Steve

--- Frank DeWitt <Frank at lbpinc.com> wrote:

It has been a long long time since I did a patent search but as I recall

You could search by multiple inputs  such as subject category  (a number) 
assignee,  and range of dates.  This what not on the Internet.  I did it
at one of the  Libraries that house patent info.  I used the one in
Buffalo NY.  The librarians were very helpful in getting me started. I 
don't recall if the old stuff was computerized at that time.  This site 
might help you.
Patent and Trademark Depository Library Program 
(PTDLP)  http://www.uspto.gov/go/ptdl/

I haven't tried it since.  In the other patents I have, I had the luxury
of some one else paying for the search (and being the assignee).

Frank

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

It is time consuming finding patents with just the date especially with a
slow country connection, but I have done it and have had others help doing
it too.  Go to patent office:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/srchnum.htm



From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jan 21 08:35:30 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:35:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Gas Fired Soldering Iron Stove
Message-ID: <20050121.114224.556.22.jlb94@juno.com>

I need to get back on this project!  
 
Thanks for asking,
=        =        =        =        =        =        =
Okay Tom - - - Sorry - I thought that was Curt - - - 
Very nice unit - I'd love to have one.
In any case - I know that Blow Torches have a wick in them even though
they work on pressure.  The 2 I have have a wire supporting the wick.

Is it possible there might be a wick in this tube ???
You might be dealing with something other than "dried gunk".
Just a thought.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jan 21 08:20:07 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:20:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
Message-ID: <20050121.114224.556.19.jlb94@juno.com>

<< I might have to start thinking about retiring from work as I don't
have
time for working now with all the projects I have. >>

Don't think about it, George - - - JUST DO IT !!!

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jan 21 08:03:39 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:03:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Not Quite OT: Gray Motor (And Hammond Organ) Trivia
Message-ID: <20050121.114224.556.15.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi John,

You bring back memories -  Used to have an "Organ Trio" band.(Bobby
Kasper Trio)
The organist had a C3 (Church Model) that we hauled around and carried up
steps and over bars, etc. Heavy bugger.

About Leslie speakers - I was probably one of the first to ever use a
Leslie spinning horn on top of my guitar amp. Really a neat sound.  Three
Dog Night used it on "Just an old fashioned love song".


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
  


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jan 21 08:04:38 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:04:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] patent search
Message-ID: <20050121.114224.556.16.jlb94@juno.com>

Cheap at "half the price" ?
LOL

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jan 21 08:15:36 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:15:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
Message-ID: <20050121.114224.556.17.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Pete,

I could be wrong but, I believe once you get most of the oxidation out
and start running fresh fuel through the bowl, there should be no
problem.

The bowl probably oxidized from air and moisture and stale gas.
I would think that new gasoline will neutralize the corrosion.

As with anything else - If it's not being used - chances are it will gum
up in some way.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jan 21 08:49:34 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:49:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] patent search
In-Reply-To: <20050121145418.36503.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050121145418.36503.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41F1329E.9020408@scrtc.com>

Steve,
I have a friend who does patent searches on engines, tractors and other 
machinery.  He always utilzes the Louisville Public Library.  Luckily, 
I've always given him the request I need and he usually gets me the info 
in a rather short turnaround. 

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky


>Arnie
>
>Try taking a field trip to the Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh... 
>http://www.clpgh.org/locations/reference/ptdl/
>
>There are 2 sites here in IL, but I haven't ventured into Chicago or down
>to Springfield to do some looking....I have heard that it is much faster
>to look for old patents that way than hunting by guessing on the web.
>
>The patent on Rick Monk's Kent Cement Mixer was found this way by another
>person (I won't go into that story here).
>
>Steve
>
>--- Frank DeWitt <Frank at lbpinc.com> wrote:
>
>It has been a long long time since I did a patent search but as I recall
>
>You could search by multiple inputs  such as subject category  (a number) 
>assignee,  and range of dates.  This what not on the Internet.  I did it
>at one of the  Libraries that house patent info.  I used the one in
>Buffalo NY.  The librarians were very helpful in getting me started. I 
>don't recall if the old stuff was computerized at that time.  This site 
>might help you.
>Patent and Trademark Depository Library Program 
>(PTDLP)  http://www.uspto.gov/go/ptdl/
>
>I haven't tried it since.  In the other patents I have, I had the luxury
>of some one else paying for the search (and being the assignee).
>
>Frank
>
>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>
>It is time consuming finding patents with just the date especially with a
>slow country connection, but I have done it and have had others help doing
>it too.  Go to patent office:
>
>http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/srchnum.htm
>
>_______________________________________________
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>
>
>  
>




From galoway4 at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 20 05:11:28 2005
From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:11:28 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
References: <fc.af93923.2f2071bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005501c4fef1$8f623d10$3fac9b18@jake>

NO
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 8:30 PM
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects


> Hi,
> I find that I am having trouble establishing priorities on projects  that 
> I
> get started and then for some reason before finishing the project I get
> started on another one.
> As an example, I started to get my Johnson reassembled.  Then  I found 
> that I
> needed to get the magneto remagnized.  The person does my  magneto work 
> has
> been sick with the flu and pneumonia and will not be able to  get the work 
> done
> until next month.  Thus, the Johnson project is on  hold.
> Next example is, I have started to get the IHC LB running.  In  trying to 
> get
> it running right, I had to grind the valves.  My neighbor has  a seat
> grinder.  However, he couldn't find the correct pilot.  After a  couple of 
> phone
> calls, I was able to borrow one.  I was able to get head  reworked and 
> assembled
> to the engine.  Of course, I had to make some new  oiling felts for the 
> valve
> stems.  To do this,  I make some  punches cut the felts to the correct
> diameter.
> The person from whom I borrowed the pilot called me yesterday  and told me 
> to
> come and pick up a Black and Decker valve grinder that he didn't  need. 
> Now,
> I am in the process of building a roll away table for this new  tool 
> addition.
> Am I the only one who has these types of interference or this to be 
> expected
> when working with old iron.
>
>
> Francis Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jan 21 12:27:16 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:27:16 EST
Subject: [SEL] Gas Fired Soldering Iron Stove
Message-ID: <157.489cdc43.2f22bfa4@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/21/2005 2:56:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlb94 at juno.com 
writes:

<< Is it possible there might be a wick in this tube ??? >>

I would not think so as there would be no way to put it in or to get it out.  
I have taken everything apart including the cut off valve.  There is no 
access to the inside of the tank except thru the pump  and gas fill holes which are 
not very large.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Jan 21 13:03:33 2005
From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:03:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
Message-ID: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE1012976D3@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>


> << I might have to start thinking about retiring from work as 
> I don't have time for working now with all the projects I have. >>
> 
> Don't think about it, George - - - JUST DO IT !!!
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 


Great idea Joe!  However, I'm not able to support myself in the manner
I'm accustom to without a paycheck every two weeks.  Have been toying
with the idea of cutting back on the amount I work.  Was thinking that
next year I might try 80% time.

George



From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jan 21 13:20:07 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:20:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules & Economy piston pattern project comes together.
Message-ID: <41F17207.4010408@imc-group.com>

Some time ago we discussed making pistons for engines. This link is a 
summary of one of several piston and other casting projects I'm working 
on for a couple of my engines at the moment. Missy's horse and a half 
Herc is a tad leaky and by the end of a show has slung way too much oil 
around. I prefer to bore an engine just a little bit and make an 
over-sized piston to match the bore.
If anyone is interested in one of these pistons for your project engine 
please contact me. I am getting ready to have another batch cast.
These are for the 1&1/2 thru 2HP engines with the 3 1/4" bore.
Link:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/SmallHercPiston/Thumbnails.html
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
(704) 853-2992
curt at imc-group.com


From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jan 21 13:42:41 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:42:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Rick Rolands and foundry capabilities.
Message-ID: <41F17751.80505@imc-group.com>

Hey all,
A while back Rick Rowlands announced to us that he was joining a foundry 
for employment and that he had an interest in providing quality castings 
for the antique gas engine and tractor hobbies. I happened to be working 
on several Stickney patterns at the time and entered into discussions 
with Rick about casting these parts.
We have a local foundry in Gastonia that frankly sucks. If you need a 
cart part or something crude they are great. But if you are looking for 
a defect free casting free of voids and pin holes forget about it. So, 
when Rick mentioned his career move I immediately got in touch with him.
He has made a couple of runs of parts for me now, and I gotta tell you 
the quality is second to none!!!
I have machined some of these parts significantly and have found no 
folds, tears, inclusions, foreign material, or anything wrong. Cores 
have been accurately set in core prints and cores have stayed put during 
the pour. A+ there Rick!
So folks we've got a good guy in the hobby and a good guy in the foundry 
business, what more could we ask for!  We just need to keep him there! 
That means sending him lots of business. So if you've got a part you 
need cast, fire up the wood shop and make some patterns. If you don't 
want to make a pattern maybe Rick can do them loose with a follow board.
I just wanted to take a moment to tell everyone what a great service 
Rick is doing for the hobby by being willing to cast small runs of parts 
for our old engines and tractors. The fact that they are excellent, high 
quality castings is simply icing on the cake. Thank you Rick.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC



From brock at netspeed.com.au  Fri Jan 21 14:27:49 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:27:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
References: <3khj1h$gl8bfj@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <000f01c50008$71dfadf0$5f11fea9@merlin>

a mate of mine rebuids carbys for a liveing he told me liquid mag wheel 
cleaner will remove
the white corrosion in the bowl
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] carburetor corrosion


>
>>
>> I have just taken to pieces a down draught carby from a little Cooper [ 
>> iron
>> horse]. The float bowl chamber was full of a white oxide presumably
>> corrosion from the  Aluminium.When i say full ,it was just about bursting
>> out. I have given it a very light sand blast which has removed most of 
>> the
>> white oxide .
>> Question ..........will it grow again and is there any other way of 
>> removing
>> it and neutralising the corrosion?
> Peter Ogborne
>> Little Grove ,Albany
>
> Peter, I would try to seal it with one of the thin epoxy fuel tank 
> sealers. The corrosion will always be a problem. You'll have to be careful 
> not to plug any passages,trace them out and blast with air after coating.
> J.B. Castagnos
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Fri Jan 21 15:00:28 2005
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:00:28 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Hammonds
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7035A317C@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>

Wish I had known there was such interest. I gave away a late '40's
Hammond, model unknown/of no interest to me, when we cleaned out Mum's
house. It didn't work, not right anyway, and could find no one willing
to pay for it. I gave it to the guy hauling off all the stuff. All I
know about it is it near caused a divorce when dad came home with it.
Mum seemed to think we had other priorities. Dad kept it working until
his death in 1976. No idea why Mum didn't shuck it off long ago.

Bruce Younger
Lenexa, Kansas USA
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 21 15:43:48 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:43:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Hammonds
References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7035A317C@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>
Message-ID: <002501c50013$0e529940$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>

> Wish I had known there was such interest. I gave away a late '40's
> Hammond, model unknown/of no interest >>

Got any old   Martins  with rusty strings , collecting dust up there ? 


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Fri Jan 21 16:15:12 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:15:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Not Quite OT: Gray Motor (And Hammond Organ) Trivia
In-Reply-To: <20050121.114224.556.15.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20050121.114224.556.15.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <AF34AB93-6C0A-11D9-997B-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> You bring back memories -  Used to have an "Organ Trio" band.(Bobby
> Kasper Trio)
> The organist had a C3 (Church Model) that we hauled around and carried 
> up
> steps and over bars, etc. Heavy bugger.

Yeah, a C3's a pretty big lump to lug around. They've been more favored 
by English players than B3s, I think just because there were more of 
them over there.

> About Leslie speakers - I was probably one of the first to ever use a
> Leslie spinning horn on top of my guitar amp. Really a neat sound.  
> Three
> Dog Night used it on "Just an old fashioned love song".

Leslies are a big part of the classic Hammond sound, and something you 
hear over and over in classic rock music is a steady high note held on 
a Hammond while the Leslie's cranked up from low speed to high speed.

Today I've been listening to "The Best of Deep Purple," and their 
organist Jon Lord made mighty good use of his B3. Back in the '70s I 
was a huge fan of Emerson, Lake and Palmer's music. Keith Emerson used 
the Hammonds a lot as well as synthesizers. He did some pretty 
unspeakable things to a little L-100 spinet in concert. It kept right 
on playing, though. His roadies reinforced the case with angle iron and 
put retainers on the tubes so they wouldn't bounce out when he pulled 
it over on himself and stabbed it with knives, kicked it off, sometimes 
dropped it off the stage...

Today I've also managed to get the tone generator of that M3 lubricated 
and got the drive clutch of the start motor unstuck so it'll start 
itself. Had to spin the shaft by hand at first. All the playing stuff 
works, but the volume is very low. Now we're talking tube amp issues, 
and I'm confident that's something I can sort out and fix. Sort of like 
that first start on an old engine, this is the first time this thing's 
spoken in several years.
:-)

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Fri Jan 21 16:38:49 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:38:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
References: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin><002b01c4ff49$5b5662a0$c684dccb@oemcomputer>
	<00af01c4ff93$6563c810$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <000b01c5001a$be426860$f584dccb@oemcomputer>

Are they palletised so the Towmotor can lift them in one go or do YOU!!!!
have to lift them of one at a time.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:29
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine


> yeah i just finihsed loading about 50 maytags & moffit virtues that i,ll
> dump on you
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>
>
> > You know my feelings on this engine .I have left a space where it will
fit
> > in my already crowded shed.We can lift it of with the Towmotor when you
> > get
> > here on Friday week.
> > EDD PAYNE
> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> > 0263742387
> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:52
> > Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > G,day All
> >
> > i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy working on
> > my
> > white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so
> > i have updated some pics on my webshots page
> > Brock Summerfield
> > ACT Australia
> > brock at netspeed.com.au
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
> > _______________________________________________
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From old_iron at msn.com  Fri Jan 21 18:52:47 2005
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:52:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Worst day of the year??/Cabin Fever
In-Reply-To: <41F1329E.9020408@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY4-F13125E4788BE9C317E75F8E7830@phx.gbl>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6847012/?GT1=6065

If you think you are the only one with Cabin fever just go to this link 
about this coming monday!!

Peg Pfeiffer
Very Snowy and depressing Park Ridge IL


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From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jan 21 20:10:53 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:10:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Worst day of the year??/Cabin Fever
In-Reply-To: <BAY4-F13125E4788BE9C317E75F8E7830@phx.gbl>
References: <41F1329E.9020408@scrtc.com>
	<BAY4-F13125E4788BE9C317E75F8E7830@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050121225305.025259c8@mail.alltel.net>

At 09:52 PM 1/21/2005, you wrote:
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6847012/?GT1=6065
>If you think you are the only one with Cabin fever just go to this link 
>about this coming monday!!
>Peg Pfeiffer
>Very Snowy and depressing Park Ridge IL

Hi Peg,
         Dr. Cliff Arnall is an IDIOT! (Some of the stupidest people I know 
have PhD's--some of the smartest people I know don't even know what a PhD is!)
         The Steelers play on Jan. 23rd and then it's on to the Super Bowl! 
Additionally, we are to get 12 plus inches of snow tomorrow (the 22nd) and 
the plow is already on my truck. (I get $1.50 per minute when the 
plow/truck is operating.) I'll likely plow for 6-8 hours tomorrow! Best 
part is that I'll get paid on Monday the 24th! Further the Zolfo show (in 
FL) is only only 40 days away--I'll leave PA for that show in 38 days!
         Hell Peg, show season is almost here--is there anything else for 
which one could ask?
                 Dave
PS, Live is good!




From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jan 21 20:32:13 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:32:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules & Economy piston pattern project comes together.
In-Reply-To: <41F17207.4010408@imc-group.com>
References: <41F17207.4010408@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050121233141.02533700@mail.alltel.net>

At 04:20 PM 1/21/2005, you wrote:
>Some time ago we discussed making pistons for engines. This link is a 
>summary of one of several piston and other casting projects I'm working on 
>for a couple of my engines at the moment. Missy's horse and a half Herc is 
>a tad leaky and by the end of a show has slung way too much oil around. I 
>prefer to bore an engine just a little bit and make an over-sized piston 
>to match the bore.
>If anyone is interested in one of these pistons for your project engine 
>please contact me. I am getting ready to have another batch cast.
>These are for the 1&1/2 thru 2HP engines with the 3 1/4" bore.
>Link:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/SmallHercPiston/Thumbnails.html
>Curt Holland

Very nice Curt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
         Dave 



From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jan 21 20:41:58 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:41:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
Message-ID: <20050121.235111.652.5.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi George,

I worried about getting by on less than I made working.

Turns out I can live quite comfortable on much less.

I used to drive a lot to different construction sites - etc.
That ate up a lot of $$$$
Turns out I drive less than 4000 miles a year now.

And - Not going to a lot of places to spend a lot of  $$$ has become
normal.

Me & Her Majesty go out every Friday for dinner - Usually a familiy
restuarant or a Wendy's so that doesn't take too much either.

It's easy to adjust.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
\/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jan 21 20:25:57 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:25:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
Message-ID: <20050121.235111.652.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Am I the only one who has these types of interference or this to be 
> expected
> when working with old iron.
=        =        =        =        =        =        =        =        =
If it weren't for all the "started" projects taking up the work bench and
floor space,
I might have room to start a project.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 


From weolson at wiktel.com  Fri Jan 21 21:04:03 2005
From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:04:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Worst day of the year??/Cabin Fever
References: <BAY4-F13125E4788BE9C317E75F8E7830@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41F1DEC3.9020609@wiktel.com>

   We just got through with nearly 2 weeks of -20 degrees below Zero 
Farenheit and lower, with -36 on Sunday morning and -46 on Monday 
morning  with about 20 inches of wonderful snow on the ground and about 
another 3 inches today, with some good winds to blow it around tonight. 
 You couldn't ask for anything much better than that up here near the 
south shore of Lake of the Woods in far, far north central Minnesota, 
about 6 miles south of the Canadian border.  Too bad you can't be here 
to enjoy.
   We  do have a nice little "Lake of the Woods Steam and Gas Engine 
Show "  up here the first weekend of August each year, it should warm up 
by then.
    William Olson, Roosevelt, MN

William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote:

> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6847012/?GT1=6065
>
> If you think you are the only one with Cabin fever just go to this 
> link about this coming monday!!
>
> Peg Pfeiffer
> Very Snowy and depressing Park Ridge IL
>
>
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 21 17:16:33 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:16:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Not Quite OT: Gray Motor (And Hammond Organ) Trivia
References: <20050121.114224.556.15.jlb94@juno.com>
	<AF34AB93-6C0A-11D9-997B-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <000001c50021$5437f000$7092f504@x8h7l9>

I have the Epworth Pump Organ Model 602 my great grand Dad bought in 1893.
My Dad restored it. It looks and works great. It was made by the Williams
Organ Co, Chicago.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Not Quite OT: Gray Motor (And Hammond Organ) Trivia


> > You bring back memories -  Used to have an "Organ Trio" band.(Bobby
> > Kasper Trio)
> > The organist had a C3 (Church Model) that we hauled around and carried
> > up
> > steps and over bars, etc. Heavy bugger.
>




From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 21 07:39:37 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:39:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
References: <002101c4ff46$f8df64c0$03ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <002101c4ffcf$6a9cf180$489ef504@x8h7l9>

Peter,
Are you sure the white powder is not lead oxide form the old leaded
gasoline.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion


> I have just taken to pieces a down draught carby from a little Cooper [
iron
> horse]. The float bowl chamber was full of a white oxide presumably
> corrosion from the  Aluminium.When i say full ,it was just about bursting
> out. I have given it a very light sand blast which has removed most of the
> white oxide .
> Question ..........will it grow again and is there any other way of
removing
> it and neutralising the corrosion?
>
>
>
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
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From brock at netspeed.com.au  Fri Jan 21 22:44:25 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:44:25 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
References: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin><002b01c4ff49$5b5662a0$c684dccb@oemcomputer><00af01c4ff93$6563c810$5f11fea9@merlin>
	<000b01c5001a$be426860$f584dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000601c5004d$d1bacfd0$5f11fea9@merlin>

i got a big cage pallet  just dumpem on top of each other
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine


> Are they palletised so the Towmotor can lift them in one go or do YOU!!!!
> have to lift them of one at a time.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:29
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>
>
>> yeah i just finihsed loading about 50 maytags & moffit virtues that i,ll
>> dump on you
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>>
>>
>> > You know my feelings on this engine .I have left a space where it will
> fit
>> > in my already crowded shed.We can lift it of with the Towmotor when you
>> > get
>> > here on Friday week.
>> > EDD PAYNE
>> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>> > 0263742387
>> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
>> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:52
>> > Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > G,day All
>> >
>> > i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy working 
>> > on
>> > my
>> > white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so
>> > i have updated some pics on my webshots page
>> > Brock Summerfield
>> > ACT Australia
>> > brock at netspeed.com.au
>> > http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>> >
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From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Sat Jan 22 00:09:11 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:09:11 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
References: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin><002b01c4ff49$5b5662a0$c684dccb@oemcomputer><00af01c4ff93$6563c810$5f11fea9@merlin><000b01c5001a$be426860$f584dccb@oemcomputer>
	<000601c5004d$d1bacfd0$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <004101c50059$a80c60c0$523354d2@cam>

Wouldn't it better if you went straight to the scrap metal yard with it.
Cam
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine


> i got a big cage pallet  just dumpem on top of each other
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>
>
> > Are they palletised so the Towmotor can lift them in one go or do
YOU!!!!
> > have to lift them of one at a time.
> > EDD PAYNE
> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> > 0263742387
> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:29
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
> >
> >
> >> yeah i just finihsed loading about 50 maytags & moffit virtues that
i,ll
> >> dump on you
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:39 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
> >>
> >>
> >> > You know my feelings on this engine .I have left a space where it
will
> > fit
> >> > in my already crowded shed.We can lift it of with the Towmotor when
you
> >> > get
> >> > here on Friday week.
> >> > EDD PAYNE
> >> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> >> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> >> > 0263742387
> >> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> >> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:52
> >> > Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > G,day All
> >> >
> >> > i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy working
> >> > on
> >> > my
> >> > white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so
> >> > i have updated some pics on my webshots page
> >> > Brock Summerfield
> >> > ACT Australia
> >> > brock at netspeed.com.au
> >> > http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > SEL mailing list
> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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> >> >
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> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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From brock at netspeed.com.au  Sat Jan 22 01:19:44 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:19:44 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
References: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin><002b01c4ff49$5b5662a0$c684dccb@oemcomputer><00af01c4ff93$6563c810$5f11fea9@merlin><000b01c5001a$be426860$f584dccb@oemcomputer><000601c5004d$d1bacfd0$5f11fea9@merlin>
	<004101c50059$a80c60c0$523354d2@cam>
Message-ID: <000a01c50063$84554430$5f11fea9@merlin>

i dont think any self respecting scrapy  would take maytags or moffit 
virtues
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine


> Wouldn't it better if you went straight to the scrap metal yard with it.
> Cam
> Cam and Edwina Grundy
> Kariong
> Gosford   NSW
> Australia
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 5:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>
>
>> i got a big cage pallet  just dumpem on top of each other
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>>
>>
>> > Are they palletised so the Towmotor can lift them in one go or do
> YOU!!!!
>> > have to lift them of one at a time.
>> > EDD PAYNE
>> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>> > 0263742387
>> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:29
>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>> >
>> >
>> >> yeah i just finihsed loading about 50 maytags & moffit virtues that
> i,ll
>> >> dump on you
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
>> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:39 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > You know my feelings on this engine .I have left a space where it
> will
>> > fit
>> >> > in my already crowded shed.We can lift it of with the Towmotor when
> you
>> >> > get
>> >> > here on Friday week.
>> >> > EDD PAYNE
>> >> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>> >> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>> >> > 0263742387
>> >> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
>> >> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:52
>> >> > Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > G,day All
>> >> >
>> >> > i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy 
>> >> > working
>> >> > on
>> >> > my
>> >> > white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so
>> >> > i have updated some pics on my webshots page
>> >> > Brock Summerfield
>> >> > ACT Australia
>> >> > brock at netspeed.com.au
>> >> > http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > SEL mailing list
>> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >> >
>> >> > _______________________________________________
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>> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
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From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 20 15:36:04 2005
From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:36:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] White gasoline engine
In-Reply-To: <001101c4fecb$a6c9dd80$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <BAY2-F277267D4520A6F05DB1086A3810@phx.gbl>

Hi Brock,
          Congratulations mate . A beautiful engine and a great restoration 
job.

            PS. If you ever get sick of it just send her down south.
Regards,
Lyndsay .




>From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,      
>   "oldengine .org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Subject: [SEL] White gasoline engine Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:40:07 +1100
>
>G,day All
>
>i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy working on my 
>white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so
>i have updated some pics on my webshots page
>Brock Summerfield
>ACT Australia
>brock at netspeed.com.au
>http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sat Jan 22 03:30:24 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:30:24 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
References: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin><002b01c4ff49$5b5662a0$c684dccb@oemcomputer><00af01c4ff93$6563c810$5f11fea9@merlin><000b01c5001a$be426860$f584dccb@oemcomputer>
	<000601c5004d$d1bacfd0$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <001d01c50075$c44113a0$f184dccb@oemcomputer>

OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 5:44
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine


> i got a big cage pallet  just dumpem on top of each other
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>
>
> > Are they palletised so the Towmotor can lift them in one go or do
YOU!!!!
> > have to lift them of one at a time.
> > EDD PAYNE
> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> > 0263742387
> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:29
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
> >
> >
> >> yeah i just finihsed loading about 50 maytags & moffit virtues that
i,ll
> >> dump on you
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:39 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
> >>
> >>
> >> > You know my feelings on this engine .I have left a space where it
will
> > fit
> >> > in my already crowded shed.We can lift it of with the Towmotor when
you
> >> > get
> >> > here on Friday week.
> >> > EDD PAYNE
> >> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> >> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> >> > 0263742387
> >> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> >> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:52
> >> > Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > G,day All
> >> >
> >> > i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy working
> >> > on
> >> > my
> >> > white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so
> >> > i have updated some pics on my webshots page
> >> > Brock Summerfield
> >> > ACT Australia
> >> > brock at netspeed.com.au
> >> > http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > SEL mailing list
> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > SEL mailing list
> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
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> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From mmco at cox-internet.com  Sat Jan 22 04:36:39 2005
From: mmco at cox-internet.com (Bo Hinch)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 06:36:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Worst day of the year??/Cabin Fever
References: <BAY4-F13125E4788BE9C317E75F8E7830@phx.gbl>
	<41F1DEC3.9020609@wiktel.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c5007f$0581b3c0$59dae244@machineryeqw95>

Am happy to mow grass in January rather than shovel snow any month of the 
year . I like cold weather but only if it doesn`t get colder than about 35 
or 40 degrees .

Bo in south louisiana ( 20 miles north of the gulf of mexico )


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Olson" <weolson at wiktel.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Worst day of the year??/Cabin Fever


>
>   We just got through with nearly 2 weeks of -20 degrees below Zero 
> Farenheit and lower, with -36 on Sunday morning and -46 on Monday morning 
> with about 20 inches of wonderful snow on the ground and about another 3 
> inches today, with some good winds to blow it around tonight. You couldn't 
> ask for anything much better than that up here near the south shore of 
> Lake of the Woods in far, far north central Minnesota, about 6 miles south 
> of the Canadian border.  Too bad you can't be here to enjoy.
>   We  do have a nice little "Lake of the Woods Steam and Gas Engine Show " 
> up here the first weekend of August each year, it should warm up by then.
>    William Olson, Roosevelt, MN
>
> William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote:
>
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6847012/?GT1=6065
>>
>> If you think you are the only one with Cabin fever just go to this link 
>> about this coming monday!!
>>
>> Peg Pfeiffer
>> Very Snowy and depressing Park Ridge IL
>>
>>
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Jan 22 07:38:21 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:38:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Worst day of the year??/Cabin Fever
Message-ID: <20050122.104603.1116.1.jlb94@juno.com>

I like Cold - Wind - Rain - Snow & Ice - - - - - 

Somewhere other than where I am. !!!

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 22 08:12:32 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:12:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
In-Reply-To: <000a01c50063$84554430$5f11fea9@merlin>
References: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin><002b01c4ff49$5b5662a0$c684dccb@oemcomputer><00af01c4ff93$6563c810$5f11fea9@merlin><000b01c5001a$be426860$f584dccb@oemcomputer><000601c5004d$d1bacfd0$5f11fea9@merlin>
	<004101c50059$a80c60c0$523354d2@cam>
	<000a01c50063$84554430$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <1106410352.41f27b70ddd2a@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Brock,

No worries on the Maytags mate, once the crusher gets 'em all aluminum looks the
same.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Brock Summerfield <brock at netspeed.com.au>:

> i dont think any self respecting scrapy  would take maytags or moffit 
> virtues



From rexhinz at chorus.net  Sat Jan 22 09:28:13 2005
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:28:13 -0600
Subject: [SEL] chatity  auction- last chance leather cutter
Message-ID: <000f01c500a7$c2a8d4b0$4a86a5d8@mycomputer>

Hey Guys ;

   The leather cutter auction is getting close to the end and you engine
people need one , when I first got it I thought it was a tin cutter and I
used it to cut some 22 gauge tin and it cut it likr butter , you can cut
curves and patterns , Then I cleaned off the writing and found it is a
leather cutter and used it to cut some scap 1/4" I had laying around and it
works good for that also , It needs a crank handle and I think any of you
could weld a piece of pipe to a lenght of flat iorn ,add a handle and you
have it , I just used a vice grip ,  so go ahead bid  its for charity

Rex Hinz




From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Jan 22 10:18:16 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:18:16 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT Worst day of the year??/Cabin Fever
Message-ID: <85.1fa50128.2f23f2e8@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/21/2005 11:23:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rotigel at alltel.net writes:

<< The Steelers play on Jan. 23rd and then it's on to the Super Bowl!  >>

Sunday afternoon during football season and especially Super Bowl afternoon 
is a great time to visit the mall.  Lots of lonely women there!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From brock at netspeed.com.au  Sat Jan 22 16:05:21 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:05:21 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
References: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin><002b01c4ff49$5b5662a0$c684dccb@oemcomputer><00af01c4ff93$6563c810$5f11fea9@merlin><000b01c5001a$be426860$f584dccb@oemcomputer><000601c5004d$d1bacfd0$5f11fea9@merlin><004101c50059$a80c60c0$523354d2@cam><000a01c50063$84554430$5f11fea9@merlin>
	<1106410352.41f27b70ddd2a@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c500df$3cc779e0$5f11fea9@merlin>

your right mate
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:12 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine


> G'day Brock,
>
> No worries on the Maytags mate, once the crusher gets 'em all aluminum 
> looks the
> same.  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Quoting Brock Summerfield <brock at netspeed.com.au>:
>
>> i dont think any self respecting scrapy  would take maytags or moffit
>> virtues
>
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From page at velocitynet.com.au  Sat Jan 22 20:26:32 2005
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:26:32 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
References: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin><002b01c4ff49$5b5662a0$c684dccb@oemcomputer><00af01c4ff93$6563c810$5f11fea9@merlin><000b01c5001a$be426860$f584dccb@oemcomputer><000601c5004d$d1bacfd0$5f11fea9@merlin><004101c50059$a80c60c0$523354d2@cam>
	<000a01c50063$84554430$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <000d01c50103$b82cf190$8a63fea9@sweeper>

Hey Brock

I would take the Moffits.

Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine


> i dont think any self respecting scrapy  would take maytags or moffit
> virtues
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 7:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>
>
> > Wouldn't it better if you went straight to the scrap metal yard with it.
> > Cam
> > Cam and Edwina Grundy
> > Kariong
> > Gosford   NSW
> > Australia
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 5:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
> >
> >
> >> i got a big cage pallet  just dumpem on top of each other
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:38 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
> >>
> >>
> >> > Are they palletised so the Towmotor can lift them in one go or do
> > YOU!!!!
> >> > have to lift them of one at a time.
> >> > EDD PAYNE
> >> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> >> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> >> > 0263742387
> >> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:29
> >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> yeah i just finihsed loading about 50 maytags & moffit virtues that
> > i,ll
> >> >> dump on you
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
> >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:39 AM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > You know my feelings on this engine .I have left a space where it
> > will
> >> > fit
> >> >> > in my already crowded shed.We can lift it of with the Towmotor
when
> > you
> >> >> > get
> >> >> > here on Friday week.
> >> >> > EDD PAYNE
> >> >> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> >> >> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> >> >> > 0263742387
> >> >> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> >> >> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:52
> >> >> > Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > G,day All
> >> >> >
> >> >> > i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy
> >> >> > working
> >> >> > on
> >> >> > my
> >> >> > white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so
> >> >> > i have updated some pics on my webshots page
> >> >> > Brock Summerfield
> >> >> > ACT Australia
> >> >> > brock at netspeed.com.au
> >> >> > http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
> >> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> >> > SEL mailing list
> >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >> >> >
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> >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> _______________________________________________
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From brock at netspeed.com.au  Sat Jan 22 21:16:16 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:16:16 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
References: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin><002b01c4ff49$5b5662a0$c684dccb@oemcomputer><00af01c4ff93$6563c810$5f11fea9@merlin><000b01c5001a$be426860$f584dccb@oemcomputer><000601c5004d$d1bacfd0$5f11fea9@merlin><004101c50059$a80c60c0$523354d2@cam><000a01c50063$84554430$5f11fea9@merlin>
	<000d01c50103$b82cf190$8a63fea9@sweeper>
Message-ID: <001301c5010a$ac0dbf50$5f11fea9@merlin>

Edds got about 5000 moffits of in the parts shed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Page" <page at velocitynet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine


> Hey Brock
>
> I would take the Moffits.
>
> Ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>
>
>> i dont think any self respecting scrapy  would take maytags or moffit
>> virtues
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 7:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>>
>>
>> > Wouldn't it better if you went straight to the scrap metal yard with 
>> > it.
>> > Cam
>> > Cam and Edwina Grundy
>> > Kariong
>> > Gosford   NSW
>> > Australia
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 5:44 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>> >
>> >
>> >> i got a big cage pallet  just dumpem on top of each other
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
>> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:38 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Are they palletised so the Towmotor can lift them in one go or do
>> > YOU!!!!
>> >> > have to lift them of one at a time.
>> >> > EDD PAYNE
>> >> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>> >> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>> >> > 0263742387
>> >> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
>> >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
>> >> > <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:29
>> >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> yeah i just finihsed loading about 50 maytags & moffit virtues that
>> > i,ll
>> >> >> dump on you
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
>> >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >> >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:39 AM
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > You know my feelings on this engine .I have left a space where it
>> > will
>> >> > fit
>> >> >> > in my already crowded shed.We can lift it of with the Towmotor
> when
>> > you
>> >> >> > get
>> >> >> > here on Friday week.
>> >> >> > EDD PAYNE
>> >> >> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>> >> >> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>> >> >> > 0263742387
>> >> >> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
>> >> >> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:52
>> >> >> > Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > G,day All
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy
>> >> >> > working
>> >> >> > on
>> >> >> > my
>> >> >> > white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so
>> >> >> > i have updated some pics on my webshots page
>> >> >> > Brock Summerfield
>> >> >> > ACT Australia
>> >> >> > brock at netspeed.com.au
>> >> >> > http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
>> >> >> > _______________________________________________
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>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jan 23 02:45:32 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 05:45:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Lister Terminology Confusion
In-Reply-To: <i0i6v093sk7pjsdmt4s81nkq45hs855amu@4ax.com>
References: <41E87975.90006@optusnet.com.au>
	<81lhu0t1e7md72l2r8mr3004208dhg9s85@4ax.com>
	<33nhu0hu22gninpqb8do9sbjll530en44g@4ax.com>
	<41E8F30A.9070201@optusnet.com.au>
	<vqshu0h9ungqhag8dck26uji9o1kj0f8u7@4ax.com>
	<41E91C30.2030404@optusnet.com.au>
	<i0i6v093sk7pjsdmt4s81nkq45hs855amu@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <E8046C74-6D2B-11D9-8485-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Just be aware that "CS" is a modern Lister collector's term for the old 
Cold Starting Diesels like the 3/1, 5/1, etc. It's unofficial, and 
unfortunately ambiguous. What Lister-Petter calls a "CS" model is a big 
4 or 6 cylinder inline Diesel. (I think Peter Forbes once told me that 
English Ford actually built them.) Lister only used the numerical 
designations for what we've somehow grown used to calling "CS" engines. 
I made the mistake of ordering a factory shop manual for a Lister CS 
several years ago, which took quite a bit of trouble to get and ended 
up costing around $100. If anybody has one of those CS engines and 
needs the book, I've got it.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Jan 23 02:55:19 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:55:19 +0800
Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
References: <002101c4ff46$f8df64c0$03ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
	<002101c4ffcf$6a9cf180$489ef504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <001301c5013a$44362fe0$72ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>

Definitely corrosion judging by the pitted surface. Thanks for comments ,I 
like the sound of the mag wheel cleaner Brock ,I wonder what the ingredients 
are ?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] carburetor corrosion


> Peter,
> Are you sure the white powder is not lead oxide form the old leaded
> gasoline.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:22 PM
> Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
>
>
>> I have just taken to pieces a down draught carby from a little Cooper [
> iron
>> horse]. The float bowl chamber was full of a white oxide presumably
>> corrosion from the  Aluminium.When i say full ,it was just about bursting
>> out. I have given it a very light sand blast which has removed most of 
>> the
>> white oxide .
>> Question ..........will it grow again and is there any other way of
> removing
>> it and neutralising the corrosion?
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter Ogborne
>> Little Grove ,Albany
>> West Australia
>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>>
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jan 23 03:31:02 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 06:31:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
In-Reply-To: <001301c5013a$44362fe0$72ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <002101c4ff46$f8df64c0$03ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
	<002101c4ffcf$6a9cf180$489ef504@x8h7l9>
	<001301c5013a$44362fe0$72ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <4328E471-6D32-11D9-8485-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> Definitely corrosion judging by the pitted surface. Thanks for 
> comments ,I like the sound of the mag wheel cleaner Brock ,I wonder 
> what the ingredients are ?

Much of it has hydrochloric acid as an active ingredient.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From brock at netspeed.com.au  Sun Jan 23 03:39:10 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:39:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Lister Terminology Confusion
References: <41E87975.90006@optusnet.com.au><81lhu0t1e7md72l2r8mr3004208dhg9s85@4ax.com><33nhu0hu22gninpqb8do9sbjll530en44g@4ax.com><41E8F30A.9070201@optusnet.com.au><vqshu0h9ungqhag8dck26uji9o1kj0f8u7@4ax.com><41E91C30.2030404@optusnet.com.au><i0i6v093sk7pjsdmt4s81nkq45hs855amu@4ax.com>
	<E8046C74-6D2B-11D9-8485-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <004101c50140$29ba3110$5f11fea9@merlin>

G,day John
we have 2 cs lister diesels  1 is a single cyl the other is a twin  they 
both have model  CS stamped on the plate
i know of a fair few other the CS  listers around .


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "Old Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:45 PM
Subject: [SEL] Lister Terminology Confusion


> Just be aware that "CS" is a modern Lister collector's term for the old 
> Cold Starting Diesels like the 3/1, 5/1, etc. It's unofficial, and 
> unfortunately ambiguous. What Lister-Petter calls a "CS" model is a big 4 
> or 6 cylinder inline Diesel. (I think Peter Forbes once told me that 
> English Ford actually built them.) Lister only used the numerical 
> designations for what we've somehow grown used to calling "CS" engines. I 
> made the mistake of ordering a factory shop manual for a Lister CS several 
> years ago, which took quite a bit of trouble to get and ended up costing 
> around $100. If anybody has one of those CS engines and needs the book, 
> I've got it.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From oldengines at bigpond.com  Sun Jan 23 03:44:23 2005
From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron & Liz Sullivan)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:44:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
References: <002101c4ff46$f8df64c0$03ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
	<002101c4ffcf$6a9cf180$489ef504@x8h7l9>
	<001301c5013a$44362fe0$72ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <004601c50140$e2617660$92e58690@ronliz1>

Hi Peter
I use turtle mag wheel cleaner it's an acid of some soughts  the trick is
just put it in for a few minutes and rinse wear gloves and mask & glasses of
in water no longer or it turns it  black it commercially available to
detailers about $50 for 20 lts .
I have used it for atleast 15 yrs will make polished alloy abit flat in
colour
Ron & Liz  Sullivan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] carburetor corrosion


> Definitely corrosion judging by the pitted surface. Thanks for comments ,I
> like the sound of the mag wheel cleaner Brock ,I wonder what the
ingredients
> are ?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
>
>
> > Peter,
> > Are you sure the white powder is not lead oxide form the old leaded
> > gasoline.
> >
> > Ed Stoller
> > New Fairfield, CT
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:22 PM
> > Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
> >
> >
> >> I have just taken to pieces a down draught carby from a little Cooper [
> > iron
> >> horse]. The float bowl chamber was full of a white oxide presumably
> >> corrosion from the  Aluminium.When i say full ,it was just about
bursting
> >> out. I have given it a very light sand blast which has removed most of
> >> the
> >> white oxide .
> >> Question ..........will it grow again and is there any other way of
> > removing
> >> it and neutralising the corrosion?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Peter Ogborne
> >> Little Grove ,Albany
> >> West Australia
> >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> >> jopeter at omninet.net.au
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Jan 23 05:27:24 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:27:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant Update
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050123082421.02557ec0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
         I just got this from Charlie. Thought some of you would want to 
know. Charlie is at: "Charles R  Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
                 Dave
>>Hi Dave,
>
>Yes I am out of the hospital but this time was there only 4 days, Oral 
>anitbiotics
>wasn't doing the job so I have it daily now by IV.  Scheduled into Mass. 
>General Hospital in Boston  tomorrow (Monday)for removal of the infected 
>pacemaker leads then it will
>be another 3 to 4 weeks before they will do the valve operation. May have 
>that done there also.
>
>Only an inch of snow from the blizzard. Think we are on the edge of it. 20 
>below every
>morning though. When I went to the hospital the other morning I passed a 
>guy on a bicycle.
>My truck thermometer read 17 degrees below zero.
>
>Will keep you informed.
>
>Charlie Bryant



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jan 23 11:12:29 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:12:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Lister Terminology Confusion + a question.
In-Reply-To: <41F3A797.2020609@optusnet.com.au>
References: <41E87975.90006@optusnet.com.au><81lhu0t1e7md72l2r8mr3004208dhg9s85@4ax.com><33nhu0hu22gninpqb8do9sbjll530en44g@4ax.com><41E8F30A.9070201@optusnet.com.au><vqshu0h9ungqhag8dck26uji9o1kj0f8u7@4ax.com><41E91C30.2030404@optusnet.com.au><i0i6v093sk7pjsdmt4s81nkq45hs855amu@4ax.com>
	<E8046C74-6D2B-11D9-8485-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
	<004101c50140$29ba3110$5f11fea9@merlin>
	<41F3A797.2020609@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <B9ACE0E2-6D72-11D9-806B-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> G'day Brock....apologies for sending this (pic) to to group 
> again...but it does reinforce your point. Mine is apparently a late 
> 1939 early 1940 model.
>
> Any further thoughts John?

Just that Lister were apparently themselves confused. They used the CS 
name as I said for those big inline engines, and in recent years only 
listed the old 1 and 2 cylinder engines by the numerical designations 
3/1, etc. on factory lists of engine models, years made and serial 
numbers. I'm interested to hear that they did say "CS" on engine 
plates. But do beware that if you order something for a "CS" Lister you 
may get something you don't want, as I did.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jan 23 11:13:56 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:13:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Lister Terminology Confusion
In-Reply-To: <akr7v01guumbdc5i58ldr4fuok66qk5qk0@4ax.com>
References: <41E87975.90006@optusnet.com.au>
	<81lhu0t1e7md72l2r8mr3004208dhg9s85@4ax.com>
	<33nhu0hu22gninpqb8do9sbjll530en44g@4ax.com>
	<41E8F30A.9070201@optusnet.com.au>
	<vqshu0h9ungqhag8dck26uji9o1kj0f8u7@4ax.com>
	<41E91C30.2030404@optusnet.com.au>
	<i0i6v093sk7pjsdmt4s81nkq45hs855amu@4ax.com>
	<E8046C74-6D2B-11D9-8485-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
	<akr7v01guumbdc5i58ldr4fuok66qk5qk0@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <ED7E5C56-6D72-11D9-806B-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> The CS designation was not used outside Lister or in their sales or 
> service
> literature, which is why you got the wrong book for your engine.

Thanks for the clarification, Peter.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Sun Jan 23 12:06:05 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:06:05 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Lister Terminology Confusion  - plus duplicated posts
In-Reply-To: <ED7E5C56-6D72-11D9-806B-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
References: <41E87975.90006@optusnet.com.au>
	<81lhu0t1e7md72l2r8mr3004208dhg9s85@4ax.com>
	<33nhu0hu22gninpqb8do9sbjll530en44g@4ax.com>
	<41E8F30A.9070201@optusnet.com.au>
	<vqshu0h9ungqhag8dck26uji9o1kj0f8u7@4ax.com>
	<41E91C30.2030404@optusnet.com.au>
	<i0i6v093sk7pjsdmt4s81nkq45hs855amu@4ax.com>
	<E8046C74-6D2B-11D9-8485-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
	<akr7v01guumbdc5i58ldr4fuok66qk5qk0@4ax.com>
	<ED7E5C56-6D72-11D9-806B-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <on08v0drnaf6rgmjn6jtn6ctfs3dcj9gc1@4ax.com>

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:13:56 -0500, you wrote:

>> The CS designation was not used outside Lister or in their sales or 
>> service
>> literature, which is why you got the wrong book for your engine.
>
>Thanks for the clarification, Peter.
>
>John Culp
>Bristol, Tennessee, USA

There are many things like this in the engine world, they get passed round year
by year and become part of the legend. I am sure there are plenty of other old
chestnuts that can be told!

BTW:  Noticed that your emails had two headers for the SEL list, which seems to
have produced duplicate posts (for me at any rate) I have corrected this reply
so it doesn't propogate.

Peter
--
Peter & Rita Forbes
Email Address:
diesel at easynet.co.uk
Web Pages for Engine Preservation:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Jan 23 20:01:58 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 04:01:58 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
In-Reply-To: <4328E471-6D32-11D9-8485-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <20050124040158.95277.qmail@web25008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>



 --- John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net> wrote: 
> > Definitely corrosion judging by the pitted surface. Thanks for 
> > comments ,I like the sound of the mag wheel cleaner Brock ,I wonder 
> > what the ingredients are ?
> 
> Much of it has hydrochloric acid as an active ingredient.

Or possibly Phosphoric Acid??

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea


	
	
		
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Jan 24 04:09:31 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:09:31 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Stover DV info needed
Message-ID: <012420051209.27553.6b53@mchsi.com>

Hi all,
Need some help with some detailed pics of a Stover DV engine and could use a 
parts manual.
thankyou,
Curt Andree


From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 24 07:37:26 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:37:26 -0600
Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
References: <20050124040158.95277.qmail@web25008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002401c5022a$9bf2f4c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>


> > > Definitely corrosion judging by the pitted surface. Thanks for
> > > comments ,I like the sound of the mag wheel cleaner Brock ,I wonder
> > > what the ingredients are ?
> >
> > Much of it has hydrochloric acid as an active ingredient.
>
> Or possibly Phosphoric Acid??
>
> Dave
> Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea


 Ospho and naval jelly  are phosphoric ,
aluminium jelly is  sulphuric acid both

The aluminum brightener( for non painted wheels )
can contain a combo of  hydrofluoric and phosphoric

Trailer Brite , like truckers buy , is a more concentrated hydrofluoric
solution

Milk wont do a hypocalcemic body any good  , so be cool with it .

- The- Saudi Arabia ?


Chuck












From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jan 24 09:41:35 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:41:35 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Stover DV info needed
Message-ID: <20050124.094136.206.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Curt.  I have a DV2 that seems complete, and could send pictures if I
can coax my digital camera to take a few more shots.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside California USA
http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:09:31 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
> Hi all,
> Need some help with some detailed pics of a Stover DV engine and 
> could use a 
> parts manual.
> thankyou,


From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Mon Jan 24 14:05:23 2005
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:05:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Docs and Plumbers
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7035A364E@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>

>>Dave,

>>    You sound like an old iron friend of mine who is a plumber.  He
told 
me he got a call for a service run to a Drs. house.  It was a very minor

problem and took about 15 minutes to fix.  The Dr. asked him how much he

owed and my friend said "the service call base rate is $35".  The Dr. 
seemed outraged and said "why you were here for only 15 minutes, that's 
$140 and hour, thats twice what I make as a physician!".  My friend 
looked him squarely in the eye and said "yeah, thats about what I made 
when I was a physician too".

>>Tommy Turner

Ask the doc if he guarantees his work like the plumber does.

Bruce Younger
Lenexa, Kansas USA
mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com
 

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From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Mon Jan 24 14:13:59 2005
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:13:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Martins
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7035A3662@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>

>> Wish I had known there was such interest. I gave away a late '40's
>> Hammond, model unknown/of no interest >>

>Got any old   Martins  with rusty strings , collecting dust up there ? 

>Chuck

Nope.  The boy-kid makes good use of that, and my sis has his fiddle. I 
got the Hohner Marine Band. Paperweight, it is. All I can play is the 
radio. Luckily, I got the MacIntosh and Electrovoice stuff.

Bruce Younger
Lenexa, Kansas USA
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Jan 24 18:04:15 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:04:15 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Stover DV info needed
References: <20050124.094136.206.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <002601c50282$ab31aa50$efc73dca@ogborneuah38i3>

Dave, sounds like your digital camera is getting tired. I wonder if this 
happens.........all those electronics!!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron D Haskell" <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 1:41 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover DV info needed


> Hi Curt.  I have a DV2 that seems complete, and could send pictures if I
> can coax my digital camera to take a few more shots.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside California USA
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/
>
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:09:31 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
>> Hi all,
>> Need some help with some detailed pics of a Stover DV engine and
>> could use a
>> parts manual.
>> thankyou,
> _______________________________________________
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Jan 24 18:08:00 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:08:00 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Stover DV info needed........Digital Camera
References: <20050124.094136.206.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <002701c50282$b770e380$efc73dca@ogborneuah38i3>

Dave, sounds like your digital camera is getting tired. I wonder if this 
happens.........all those electronics!!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron D Haskell" <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 1:41 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover DV info needed


> Hi Curt.  I have a DV2 that seems complete, and could send pictures if I
> can coax my digital camera to take a few more shots.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside California USA
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/
>
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:09:31 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
>> Hi all,
>> Need some help with some detailed pics of a Stover DV engine and
>> could use a
>> parts manual.
>> thankyou,
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Jan 24 18:08:13 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:08:13 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Stover DV info needed........Digital Camera
References: <20050124.094136.206.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <002801c50282$bde9d730$efc73dca@ogborneuah38i3>

Dave, sounds like your digital camera is getting tired. I wonder if this 
happens.........all those electronics!!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron D Haskell" <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 1:41 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover DV info needed


> Hi Curt.  I have a DV2 that seems complete, and could send pictures if I
> can coax my digital camera to take a few more shots.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside California USA
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/
>
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:09:31 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
>> Hi all,
>> Need some help with some detailed pics of a Stover DV engine and
>> could use a
>> parts manual.
>> thankyou,
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Tue Jan 25 07:01:08 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:01:08 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Docs and Plumbers
In-Reply-To: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7035A364E@ch-mail1.ci.lenex
	a.ks.us>
References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7035A364E@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050125070025.01affcd0@mail.pennswoods.net>


AMEN on that one Tommy.
R Fink
PA



At 02:05 PM 1/24/2005, you wrote:
> >>Dave,
>
> >>    You sound like an old iron friend of mine who is a plumber.  He
>told
>me he got a call for a service run to a Drs. house.  It was a very minor
>
>problem and took about 15 minutes to fix.  The Dr. asked him how much he
>
>owed and my friend said "the service call base rate is $35".  The Dr.
>seemed outraged and said "why you were here for only 15 minutes, that's
>$140 and hour, thats twice what I make as a physician!".  My friend
>looked him squarely in the eye and said "yeah, thats about what I made
>when I was a physician too".
>
> >>Tommy Turner
>
>Ask the doc if he guarantees his work like the plumber does.
>
>Bruce Younger
>Lenexa, Kansas USA
>mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com
>
>
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>
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>the City of Lenexa, Kansas.  It is confidential and is intended solely for 
>the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed.  If 
>you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that 
>you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Jan 25 04:27:20 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:27:20 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Stover DV info needed
Message-ID: <012520051227.5316.4cd@mchsi.com>

Thankyou very much Ron.  Please contact me off list.
Curt Andree
> Hi Curt.  I have a DV2 that seems complete, and could send pictures if I
> can coax my digital camera to take a few more shots.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside California USA
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/
> 
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:09:31 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
> > Hi all,
> > Need some help with some detailed pics of a Stover DV engine and 
> > could use a 
> > parts manual.
> > thankyou,
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From falcon at telenet.net  Tue Jan 25 15:01:50 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:01:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Farewell Johnny !!!!
Message-ID: <00bf01c50331$db9b5c40$a41117d1@net.telenet.net>


Don't know if anyone else was a fan or not but for those who didn't know
the real King of late night TV passed away Sunday morning.
One of the greats on television who gave many of the current crop of
folks their starts.
Farewell Johnny, you will be missed.


http://www.johnnycarson.com/


Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown, New York



From brianne at ultratune.com.au  Tue Jan 25 16:47:30 2005
From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:47:30 +1000
Subject: [SEL] IH 3M
Message-ID: <00cc01c50340$9ed18a50$3f55dccb@pcuser>

Hi Guys
We have a new ID plate for our 3 M.
Have not yet tried to remove the old one.
Has anyone had any success in removing the four "screws" which hold the large square ID plate
on the top of the hopper on the IH 3 M ?
I am expecting to have to drill them out. Are they screws or rivets?
Thanks
Brian Taylor
Hervey Bay Historical Museum
13 Zephyr St..Scarness
Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html


From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jan 25 16:53:36 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:53:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Farewell Johnny !!!! OT
In-Reply-To: <00bf01c50331$db9b5c40$a41117d1@net.telenet.net>
References: <00bf01c50331$db9b5c40$a41117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050125195113.109405b8@mail.alltel.net>

At 06:01 PM 1/25/2005, you wrote:

>Don't know if anyone else was a fan or not but for those who didn't know
>the real King of late night TV passed away Sunday morning.
>One of the greats on television who gave many of the current crop of
>folks their starts.
>Farewell Johnny, you will be missed.
>Steve Williams

Hi Steve, Who is this "Johnny" of whom you speak? Did he own engines? Will 
they go up for auction soon? Do you know what OT in the header means?
         Dave 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jan 25 17:10:09 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:10:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] IH 3M
In-Reply-To: <00cc01c50340$9ed18a50$3f55dccb@pcuser>
References: <00cc01c50340$9ed18a50$3f55dccb@pcuser>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050125200434.10934890@mail.alltel.net>

At 07:47 PM 1/25/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Guys
>We have a new ID plate for our 3 M.
>Have not yet tried to remove the old one.
>Has anyone had any success in removing the four "screws" which hold the 
>large square ID plate
>on the top of the hopper on the IH 3 M ?
>I am expecting to have to drill them out. Are they screws or rivets?
>Thanks
>Brian Taylor
Hi Brian,
         Unless someone has replaced them since the engine left the factory 
they should be rivets. Try feeling on the inside of the hopper. You can 
probably feel the ends of the rivets. Get a small hammer inside the hopper 
and tap on the ends and they will raise up enough to get a pair of pliers 
on them. I've found that it takes several hits on a finger for every one on 
the rivet--so don't give up too soon!
         Dave
PS, "By Golly Darn" is perfectly acceptable when hitting your finger!



From mtucker at uky.edu  Tue Jan 25 17:52:32 2005
From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:52:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT- Free 1946 Dodge Truck for the taking
In-Reply-To: <41D1534C.3080807@scrtc.com>
References: <200412280946.iBS9k7So011734@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<41D1534C.3080807@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <p06010201be1ca47f03a7@[139.55.6.29]>

Howdy all,

The short end of a long story is that there is a 1946 Dodge 2-ton (?) 
truck sitting in Southlake, Texas (about 10 miles west of Dallas/Fort 
Worth International Airport) that needs a home.  The engine ran and 
the truck drove the last time it was run and driven but that was 
probably 12 years ago.  Even at that though, it's really a good 
candidate for a restoration project.  Sitting on the bed is a 
worthless water container (it's last real job, given to it by the 
original owner (Hobart Newberry), was a water truck for maintaining a 
riding arena).  It would look great with all of your favorite engines 
bolted down to the bed as you pull onto the show grounds!

The catch is that it MUST be removed from its current location by 
February 28, 2005.  If you want it you can have it but you have to 
get it out of there.  Otherwise, it goes to the scrap yard.  Sorry, I 
don't have any pictures and no real way to get any since it's in 
Texas and I'm in Kentucky.

If you are interested please email me at <mtucker at uky.edu> or give me 
a call at 859-846-4731.

take care,
Mike
-- 
_____________________________________________
Susan and Michael Tucker	email: mtucker at uky.edu
502 Davistown Road	Phone (859) 846-4731
Midway, Kentucky 40347
_____________________________________________


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Jan 25 17:53:16 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:53:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] IH 3M
In-Reply-To: <00cc01c50340$9ed18a50$3f55dccb@pcuser>
References: <00cc01c50340$9ed18a50$3f55dccb@pcuser>
Message-ID: <0B8DBCE5-6F3D-11D9-80AE-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> I am expecting to have to drill them out. Are they screws or rivets?

Mine are rivets.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jan 25 18:13:11 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:13:11 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Quartzsite, Arizona  --  a few pictures
Message-ID: <200501260213.j0Q2DPUl025848@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Both for your browsing pleasure:
 
http://engines.rustyiron.com/quartz05
 
http://wapa.us/shows/quartz05
 
 
 


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Wed Jan 26 01:22:22 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:22:22 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Quartzsite, Arizona  --  a few pictures
References: <200501260213.j0Q2DPUl025848@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c50388$8b3f8a80$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

Thanks Rob, it was a real pleasure to see all those
engines and other old irons in a sunny (missing ) landscape.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>


> Both for your browsing pleasure:
>  
> http://engines.rustyiron.com/quartz05
>  
> http://wapa.us/shows/quartz05




From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Wed Jan 26 05:46:55 2005
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:46:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Quartzsite, Arizona  --  a few pictures
In-Reply-To: <200501260213.j0Q2DPUl025848@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20050126084655.01648c74@mail.accnorwalk.com>

At 06:13 PM 1/25/05 -0800, you wrote:
>Both for your browsing pleasure:
> 
>http://engines.rustyiron.com/quartz05
> 
>_______________________________________________

Rob, the picture you need identified is a Centaur model G. Looks to be a
26. Any chance of getting the serial number?


                                                      
           Doug Tallman                 
           dtallman at accnorwalk.com                 
           VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director  
               Greenwich, OH USA                         
             


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 26 06:54:47 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:54:47 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Quartzsite, Arizona  --  a few pictures
References: <200501260213.j0Q2DPUl025848@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV71BB414BABA00E6473106BB870@phx.gbl>

THANK YOU ROB!! Very nice way to spend coffee time this a.m.

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: <WAPA-Members at rustyiron.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "'The 
SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "'Charles R Bryant'" <mogul460 at localnet.com>; "'Dusty Erickson'" 
<dme at gameguns.com>; "'David Mashiter'" <djm-im at old-engine.fsnet.co.uk>; 
"Greg Johnson" <gjohnson at ndii.com>; "'Chris Epping'" <oilpull at gtmc.net>; 
"Bill Young" <wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:13 PM
Subject: [SEL] Quartzsite, Arizona -- a few pictures


> Both for your browsing pleasure:
>
> http://engines.rustyiron.com/quartz05
>
> http://wapa.us/shows/quartz05
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 26 07:22:52 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:22:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Hercules & Economy piston pattern project comes together.
References: <41F17207.4010408@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV519EEC1277A1F7A5E5ACCBB870@phx.gbl>

Well needless to say, Corky and I are most impressed!  Could you please take 
us thru the whole process....say "Casting 101 for Dummies?".....preciate it.

 Wonder if that would fit the 1 3/4 Economy drag saw I have..I'll measure it 
up.

Thanks pard!!
Rick
PS: Haven't forgot Devin's rocks..need warmer weather.  This guy is 90+ 
years young and doesn't need to be out in his cold rock shop.  He's sharp!! 
Been thinkin' about taking the video camera.  I think Devin would like that.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 2:20 PM
Subject: [SEL] Hercules & Economy piston pattern project comes together.


> Some time ago we discussed making pistons for engines. This link is a
> summary of one of several piston and other casting projects I'm working
> on for a couple of my engines at the moment. Missy's horse and a half
> Herc is a tad leaky and by the end of a show has slung way too much oil
> around. I prefer to bore an engine just a little bit and make an
> over-sized piston to match the bore.
> If anyone is interested in one of these pistons for your project engine
> please contact me. I am getting ready to have another batch cast.
> These are for the 1&1/2 thru 2HP engines with the 3 1/4" bore.
> Link:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/SmallHercPiston/Thumbnails.html
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> (704) 853-2992
> curt at imc-group.com
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 26 07:35:44 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:35:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV26FD5BF1A8449C058EDF22BB870@phx.gbl>

 Howdy again;
What is the best route to take to get gear(s) made?  One is a combination 
i.e. two gears, one casting.  I also need a smaller gear...all straight cut 
teeth.  This is for manually traversing the carriage on my ole lathe.  Could 
the old ones be used for a pattern and is this something Rick Rowlands could 
do?

TIA
RickinMt.

http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 26 08:01:14 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:01:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Charlie and Skip's Stickneys
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV143E5FC78A8252FB9EAEA2BB870@phx.gbl>

Charlie Inman sent me  a couple photo's..thot ya'll might enjoy.
Here's the monster 20hp and Skip Landis' in a nice contrast shot at the 2004 
Columbia Falls, Mt. show:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/260243303yWjZsy

And some nice iron in Charlie's shop(?):

http://community.webshots.com/photo/260243478/260243478KNqjVf

Not sure how many they have in total now.

later,
RickinMt.

http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 


From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jan 26 08:24:31 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:24:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules & Economy piston pattern project comes together.
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV519EEC1277A1F7A5E5ACCBB870@phx.gbl>
References: <41F17207.4010408@imc-group.com>
	<BAY3-DAV519EEC1277A1F7A5E5ACCBB870@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41F7C43F.5070502@imc-group.com>

Rick,
Have been working on a web page exactly as you describe but it will be a 
little bit longer 'till I get it finished. It is detailing several 
Stickney parts.
Yup, the blank piston is for your size Economy. Fits the 1 1/2 thru 2 HP 
engines w/ 3.25 bore.
Curt

Richard Strobel wrote:

>Well needless to say, Corky and I are most impressed!  Could you please take 
>us thru the whole process....say "Casting 101 for Dummies?".....preciate it.
>
> Wonder if that would fit the 1 3/4 Economy drag saw I have..I'll measure it 
>up.
>
>  
>



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jan 26 09:06:33 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:06:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] ] Quartzsite, Arizona  --  a few pictures
Message-ID: <20050126.090634.59.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
I have a few pictures of Quartzsite before my camera died.  They may be
seen at:
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31610884&f=

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside California USA
http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:46:55 -0500 Doug Tallman <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>
writes:
> At 06:13 PM 1/25/05 -0800, you wrote:
> >Both for your browsing pleasure:
> > 
> >http://engines.rustyiron.com/quartz05
>


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 26 09:07:20 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:07:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Hercules & Economy piston pattern project comes together.
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Kewl..we'll be lookin' forward to it.  Maybe Rowlands could give us a tour 
thru his foundry also.  This area was full of foundaries in the ole days. 
They are all gone now.  The one I know of sold most of their patterns but 
there is a cafe in town called "The Pattern Shop."  Will have to stop in and 
take some pictures of what they got on the wall.

later,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules & Economy piston pattern project comes together.


> Rick,
> Have been working on a web page exactly as you describe but it will be a
> little bit longer 'till I get it finished. It is detailing several
> Stickney parts.
> Yup, the blank piston is for your size Economy. Fits the 1 1/2 thru 2 HP
> engines w/ 3.25 bore.
> Curt
>
> Richard Strobel wrote:
>
> >Well needless to say, Corky and I are most impressed!  Could you please 
> >take
> >us thru the whole process....say "Casting 101 for Dummies?".....preciate 
> >it.
> >
> > Wonder if that would fit the 1 3/4 Economy drag saw I have..I'll measure 
> > it
> >up.
> >
> >
> >
>
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From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Jan 26 09:14:37 2005
From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:14:37 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Hercules & Economy piston pattern project comes together.
Message-ID: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE101297C42@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>

Curt,

I'm impressed!

I thought your webpage showing the patterns and castings was great!

Keep up the good work.

George

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
> To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 2:20 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Hercules & Economy piston pattern project 
> comes together.
> 
> 
> > Some time ago we discussed making pistons for engines. This 
> link is a
> > summary of one of several piston and other casting projects 
> I'm working
> > on for a couple of my engines at the moment. Missy's horse 
> and a half
> > Herc is a tad leaky and by the end of a show has slung way 
> too much oil
> > around. I prefer to bore an engine just a little bit and make an
> > over-sized piston to match the bore.
> > If anyone is interested in one of these pistons for your 
> project engine
> > please contact me. I am getting ready to have another batch cast.
> > These are for the 1&1/2 thru 2HP engines with the 3 1/4" bore.
> > Link:
> > 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/SmallHercPisto
> n/Thumbnails.html
> > Curt Holland



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 26 09:57:33 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:57:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] ] Quartzsite, Arizona  --  a few pictures
References: <20050126.090634.59.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV3318EB30460BDAF72F0CCEBB870@phx.gbl>

And thank you also Ron.  Are the Rumley Oil Pull model kits available?

Cute little tractor yes..also a neat little butt buggy behind it.  I'd look 
good on it.

Hey John..we better get some Gals down there don't ya think?  I've been to 
Quartzite once...quite a place and notice the shirtsleeves...whew!

Well I just might not shop up today.  Think I'll put that tape in of the 
silver mine in Alaska with the Novo running the ?...and the monster in the 
same bldg.  Try to take a picture off the boobtube.

later,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron D Haskell" <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:06 AM
Subject: [SEL] ] Quartzsite, Arizona -- a few pictures


> Hi all.
> I have a few pictures of Quartzsite before my camera died.  They may be
> seen at:
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31610884&f=
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside California USA
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/
>
> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:46:55 -0500 Doug Tallman <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>
> writes:
> > At 06:13 PM 1/25/05 -0800, you wrote:
> > >Both for your browsing pleasure:
> > >
> > >http://engines.rustyiron.com/quartz05
> >
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Jan 26 10:53:48 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:53:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charlie and Skip's Stickneys
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV143E5FC78A8252FB9EAEA2BB870@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY3-DAV143E5FC78A8252FB9EAEA2BB870@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41F7E73C.8060705@scrtc.com>

Rick,
   
The 1 1/2 hp's are considerable smaller than the 1 3/4's.  They have a 
web in the flywheel to counterbalance the crank.  Here's a photo of my 1 
1/2.

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30063200&p=60452045

I think the oddball Stickney is the Harvard or Jr. model.  I really like 
the donut flywheel.  Here's mine that needs a bit of TLC (one of these 
days I'll tinker with it)

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30990428&p=65974575

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Charlie Inman sent me  a couple photo's..thot ya'll might enjoy.
>Here's the monster 20hp and Skip Landis' in a nice contrast shot at the 2004 
>Columbia Falls, Mt. show:
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/260243303yWjZsy
>
>And some nice iron in Charlie's shop(?):
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/260243478/260243478KNqjVf
>
>Not sure how many they have in total now.
>
>later,
>RickinMt.
>
>http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 
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>  
>




From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jan 26 11:02:27 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:02:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules & Economy piston pattern project comes together.
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV3137437524449A80EAE926BB870@phx.gbl>
References: <41F17207.4010408@imc-group.com><BAY3-DAV519EEC1277A1F7A5E5ACCBB870@phx.gbl>	<41F7C43F.5070502@imc-group.com>
	<BAY3-DAV3137437524449A80EAE926BB870@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41F7E943.5010706@imc-group.com>

Rick,
I have always enjoyed studying old patterns or pieces of patterns you 
see at antique booths and malls. It's fun trying to figure out what they 
were for making. It is also amazing what the antique dealers think these 
old hunks of wood are worth! Have yet to find what I think is an old gas 
engine pattern. Most are usually valve bodies and such.
I'd be real interested in seeing photos of the cafe "The Pattern Shop".
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Richard Strobel wrote:

>Kewl..we'll be lookin' forward to it.  Maybe Rowlands could give us a tour 
>thru his foundry also.  This area was full of foundaries in the ole days. 
>They are all gone now.  The one I know of sold most of their patterns but 
>there is a cafe in town called "The Pattern Shop."  Will have to stop in and 
>take some pictures of what they got on the wall.
>
>  
>



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jan 26 11:09:46 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:09:46 -0800
Subject: [SEL] ] Quartzsite, Arizona  --  a few pictures
Message-ID: <20050126.110947.59.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Richard.
The Rumely was custom built by my friend Merle Morse.  He is a high
school metal shop teacher.  Even the engine was built by him, starting
with a crank from a 650 Kawasaki that was pulled apart and put back as a
2 cylinder.  The wheels behind it are on my '48 Farmall  Cub, it does
make a nice butt buggy.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside California USA
http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:57:33 -0700 "Richard Strobel"
<Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> writes:
> And thank you also Ron.  Are the Rumley Oil Pull model kits 
> available?
> 
> Cute little tractor yes..also a neat little butt buggy behind it.  
> I'd look 
> good on it.
> 
> Hey John..we better get some Gals down there don't ya think?  I've 
> been to 
> Quartzite once...quite a place and notice the shirtsleeves...whew!
> 
> Well I just might not shop up today.  Think I'll put that tape in of 
> the 
> silver mine in Alaska with the Novo running the ?...and the monster 
> in the 
> same bldg.  Try to take a picture off the boobtube.
> 
> later,
> Rick


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 26 11:11:01 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:11:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Iron in Alaska
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV7733235BC8F25EF765C31BB870@phx.gbl>

  It's a neat vhs of a tour thru an old abandoned silver mine.  They had to 
fly in.

I snapped some photo's off the boobtube and although they didn't turn out 
good (as expected), possibly someone can ID the engine that runs the big 
compressor.  He moves a lever that might be compression release.

  The Novo? is also pretty cool.  Maybe drives a water pump for compressor 
and engine cooling or possible a small compressor for air starting the 
monster.

Here's the first one and hit fwd for the rest...neat seeing this old iron at 
home...btw., he says it's midnight there.

Marv, I'll try to edit these photo's and send them direct.  They're too big 
now.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/260315416GlJOcD

enjoy,
RickinMt.
http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 26 11:24:12 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:24:12 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Hercules & Economy piston pattern project comes together.
References: <41F17207.4010408@imc-group.com><BAY3-DAV519EEC1277A1F7A5E5ACCBB870@phx.gbl>	<41F7C43F.5070502@imc-group.com><BAY3-DAV3137437524449A80EAE926BB870@phx.gbl>
	<41F7E943.5010706@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV8D48DF7A8C038AAEC4792BB870@phx.gbl>

Curt..why are the piston grooves different depths..strength?

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules & Economy piston pattern project comes together.


> Rick,
> I have always enjoyed studying old patterns or pieces of patterns you
> see at antique booths and malls. It's fun trying to figure out what they
> were for making. It is also amazing what the antique dealers think these
> old hunks of wood are worth! Have yet to find what I think is an old gas
> engine pattern. Most are usually valve bodies and such.
> I'd be real interested in seeing photos of the cafe "The Pattern Shop".
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> Richard Strobel wrote:
>
> >Kewl..we'll be lookin' forward to it.  Maybe Rowlands could give us a 
> >tour
> >thru his foundry also.  This area was full of foundaries in the ole days.
> >They are all gone now.  The one I know of sold most of their patterns but
> >there is a cafe in town called "The Pattern Shop."  Will have to stop in 
> >and
> >take some pictures of what they got on the wall.
> >
> >
> >
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jan 26 01:18:45 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:18:45 +1100
Subject: [SEL] IH 3M
References: <00cc01c50340$9ed18a50$3f55dccb@pcuser>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050125200434.10934890@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <000201c503eb$a39cfe60$56111bd3@reg>

As you have a new plate,why not just cut them flush with a sharp chisel and
drive them on through? Or drill out the bits left.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] IH 3M


> At 07:47 PM 1/25/2005, you wrote:
> >Hi Guys
> >We have a new ID plate for our 3 M.
> >Have not yet tried to remove the old one.
> >Has anyone had any success in removing the four "screws" which hold the
> >large square ID plate
> >on the top of the hopper on the IH 3 M ?
> >I am expecting to have to drill them out. Are they screws or rivets?
> >Thanks
> >Brian Taylor
> Hi Brian,
>          Unless someone has replaced them since the engine left the
factory
> they should be rivets. Try feeling on the inside of the hopper. You can
> probably feel the ends of the rivets. Get a small hammer inside the hopper
> and tap on the ends and they will raise up enough to get a pair of pliers
> on them. I've found that it takes several hits on a finger for every one
on
> the rivet--so don't give up too soon!
>          Dave
> PS, "By Golly Darn" is perfectly acceptable when hitting your finger!
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 26 13:27:25 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:27:25 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Charlie and Skip's Stickneys
References: <BAY3-DAV143E5FC78A8252FB9EAEA2BB870@phx.gbl>
	<41F7E73C.8060705@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV140D01FDE88BD3AD6AE885BB870@phx.gbl>

Thanks Tommy;
  Most unique and I've forwarded your message to Charlie.

Take Care,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Charlie and Skip's Stickneys


> Rick,
>
> The 1 1/2 hp's are considerable smaller than the 1 3/4's.  They have a
> web in the flywheel to counterbalance the crank.  Here's a photo of my 1
> 1/2.
>
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30063200&p=60452045
>
> I think the oddball Stickney is the Harvard or Jr. model.  I really like
> the donut flywheel.  Here's mine that needs a bit of TLC (one of these
> days I'll tinker with it)
>
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30990428&p=65974575
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
> >Charlie Inman sent me  a couple photo's..thot ya'll might enjoy.
> >Here's the monster 20hp and Skip Landis' in a nice contrast shot at the 
> >2004
> >Columbia Falls, Mt. show:
> >
> >http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/260243303yWjZsy
> >
> >And some nice iron in Charlie's shop(?):
> >
> >http://community.webshots.com/photo/260243478/260243478KNqjVf
> >
> >Not sure how many they have in total now.
> >
> >later,
> >RickinMt.
> >
> >http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc
> >_______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 26 13:27:12 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:27:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Iron in Alaska
References: <BAY3-DAV7733235BC8F25EF765C31BB870@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00e601c503ed$cd559e40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>


 Saw a vertical  single  just South of  Greenland  in  the opening sequence
to AVP last night  too ;-)


>   It's a neat vhs of a tour thru an old abandoned silver mine.  They had
to
> fly in.




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Jan 26 02:28:15 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:28:15 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day
Message-ID: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Happy Australia Day to my fellow Aussies!!!!!

Our club had a little display today for Australia Day. Pics at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ausday05.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From todengine at zoominternet.net  Wed Jan 26 14:55:46 2005
From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:55:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
References: <BAY3-DAV26FD5BF1A8449C058EDF22BB870@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001a01c503fa$2c2189f0$0ec19a18@pengy>

Well I could sure give it a try. They should come out ok if not too awful 
small.

Rick Rowlands

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:35 AM
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making


> Howdy again;
> What is the best route to take to get gear(s) made?  One is a combination 
> i.e. two gears, one casting.  I also need a smaller gear...all straight 
> cut teeth.  This is for manually traversing the carriage on my ole lathe. 
> Could the old ones be used for a pattern and is this something Rick 
> Rowlands could do?
>
> TIA
> RickinMt.
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 
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From jbcast at charter.net  Wed Jan 26 17:00:06 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 1:00:06 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
Message-ID: <3k70kp$mebq2c@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net>


> What is the best route to take to get gear(s) made?  One is a combination 
> i.e. two gears, one casting.  I also need a smaller gear...all straight cut 
> teeth.  This is for manually traversing the carriage on my ole lathe.  Could 
> the old ones be used for a pattern and is this something Rick Rowlands could 
> do?
> 
Rick, get a Boston Gear or Rush Gear catalog, see if the gears are available, width may be a little different, the center is adaptable also. On my lathe I machined the hub and made a ring gear out of the new gear, heated and shrunk it on and pinned it. On the double gear, if only one is bad, bore it out amd press it on a shaft, bore the new gear and press it next to it.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA 



From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jan 26 18:07:59 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:07:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Not making trip to CT after all-
In-Reply-To: <20050126.090634.59.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200501270208.j0R28OJo034747@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


Well, first of all I want to thank Ken for his efforts taking photos and
posting them for me.
I really appreciate it - and in the end it showed me some things about the
car that made me take a 3rd look and pause and think. Seems there was a
history of rust, and it wasn't fully beat. Nice as the car was, it wasn't
worth the price I would have had to bid to get it. Bummer. Some experts took
a look at the photos with me and pointed to things I nearly missed - or was
blind to........
Thanks, Ken

On the other hand, sometimes good things DO happen.
I've got a lead on a 1970, fully loaded with nearly all possible factory and
dealer options with only 24,000 actual miles on it. All original, all
matching numbers, runs and is one that can be restored to show condition
with little effort.  It's a rather rare combination and it's in the twin
cities area. (with a rather sought after engine for that model as well) He's
filmed it and is sending a DVD with movies and pics of the car later this
week.
Power steering, power disk brakes, AC, AT, 325 hp (some claim more like 340
hp) 390cid small block, 3.91 posi, torque links, ram air, rear Mark Donohue
type spoiler (factory), factory part number Edelbrock aluminum intake and
Edelbrock carb. Mallory coil, no rust, original paint and reverse C stripes,
factory 5 spoke mags, GO pack and Rally pack options, tilt wheel and get
this - factory 8 track!

All this means I won't be making a trip to Connecticut and back so won't be
able to help with engine hauling.........sorry. 
I was actually looking forward to being able to help haul iron! Put that
truck to GOOD use.


Bill





From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Jan 26 18:16:19 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:16:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
In-Reply-To: <3k70kp$mebq2c@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net>
References: <3k70kp$mebq2c@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <41F84EF3.7050500@scrtc.com>

JB,

    I've done the same thing several times with good results.  I've 
found it best to purchase  the crank gear and the cam gear and replace 
them both.  Some of the old timers had an odd ball pitch on their 
teeth.  I had a friend who needed a gear made and the guy who cut it for 
him had to have a special cutter ground to match the other gear.  Some 
of the real early manufacturers may have ground their own cutters and as 
a result, it was their own "design".

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



jbcast at charter.net wrote:

>>What is the best route to take to get gear(s) made?  One is a combination 
>>i.e. two gears, one casting.  I also need a smaller gear...all straight cut 
>>teeth.  This is for manually traversing the carriage on my ole lathe.  Could 
>>the old ones be used for a pattern and is this something Rick Rowlands could 
>>do?
>>
>>    
>>
>Rick, get a Boston Gear or Rush Gear catalog, see if the gears are available, width may be a little different, the center is adaptable also. On my lathe I machined the hub and made a ring gear out of the new gear, heated and shrunk it on and pinned it. On the double gear, if only one is bad, bore it out amd press it on a shaft, bore the new gear and press it next to it.
>J.B. Castagnos
>Belle Rose, LA 
>
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>
>
>  
>


From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jan 26 18:19:15 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:19:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Friend needs engine transport .........
In-Reply-To: <000201c503eb$a39cfe60$56111bd3@reg>
Message-ID: <200501270219.j0R2JZEw041246@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

 I marked this OT as it's not an antique engine exactly, it's an engine from
a "classic" car.
I suspect a V8

It was posted in the AMC forum I'm a member of.

Here is his email address:  putas123 at aol.com

Bill


---------------------------------------

 I have an interest in a motor in Minnesota but the freight really kills the
deal.$500+. Just figured I'd ask to see if anyone was headed this way or
anywhere near Massachusetts already....willing to pay for some gas.
thanks in advance.
-Will 

----------------------------------------

 Bill  
I would appreciate any help greatly! I am in no hurry to get it here, just
thought I'd throw it out there.
thanks again,
-Will
putas123 at aol.com




From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Wed Jan 26 19:04:17 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:04:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
References: <3k70kp$mebq2c@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net>
	<41F84EF3.7050500@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <026801c5041c$e5a6b3b0$91f83e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

It seems unlikely to me that early engine people devised a unique gear
geometry.  This would have been a pretty demanding and expensive undertaking
and there would have been little if any advantage over what was already
invented. Almost surely these gears had a 14 1/2 degree pressure angle and
used an involute curve for the tooth form. There are other PA's in use today
and unless you are a real gear pro it almost impossible to eyeball different
pressure angles. There are also other tooth geometries besides involute, the
drawback is their shape makes them difficult to machine with no gain in
performance or life.

For gear terms see http://shopswarf.orcon.net.nz/spur.html

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making


> JB,
>
>     I've done the same thing several times with good results.  I've
> found it best to purchase  the crank gear and the cam gear and replace
> them both.  Some of the old timers had an odd ball pitch on their
> teeth.  I had a friend who needed a gear made and the guy who cut it for
> him had to have a special cutter ground to match the other gear.  Some
> of the real early manufacturers may have ground their own cutters and as
> a result, it was their own "design".
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> jbcast at charter.net wrote:
>
> >>What is the best route to take to get gear(s) made?  One is a
combination
> >>i.e. two gears, one casting.  I also need a smaller gear...all straight
cut
> >>teeth.  This is for manually traversing the carriage on my ole lathe.
Could
> >>the old ones be used for a pattern and is this something Rick Rowlands
could
> >>do?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >Rick, get a Boston Gear or Rush Gear catalog, see if the gears are
available, width may be a little different, the center is adaptable also. On
my lathe I machined the hub and made a ring gear out of the new gear, heated
and shrunk it on and pinned it. On the double gear, if only one is bad, bore
it out amd press it on a shaft, bore the new gear and press it next to it.
> >J.B. Castagnos
> >Belle Rose, LA
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Jan 26 19:55:39 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:55:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day
In-Reply-To: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050126225312.10aec8d0@mail.alltel.net>

At 05:28 AM 1/26/2005, you wrote:
>Happy Australia Day to my fellow Aussies!!!!!
>Patrick M Livingstone

Hi Patrick, What the hell is Australia Day? Is it something like our 4the 
of July? Do you guys down under have a 4th of July?
         Dave
PS, Happy Australia Day--whatever in the hell that is! 



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Jan 26 20:10:58 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:10:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
In-Reply-To: <026801c5041c$e5a6b3b0$91f83e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
References: <3k70kp$mebq2c@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net>	<41F84EF3.7050500@scrtc.com>
	<026801c5041c$e5a6b3b0$91f83e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <41F869D2.1000401@scrtc.com>

Sounds good Jim but something screwy was going on with the Springfield 
engines.  A gear on Raymond Scholl's 1 HP had a couple of teeth 
missing.  No standard gear would match it.  He had to send it to a guy 
who had a special cutter made to match the existing gear.  Some of the 
"blacksmith" makers of engines, sometimes which produced only a handful, 
did it all.  They made the castings, did all the machining, cut the 
gears, etc.  In some cases, I doubt that they were too concerned with 
the pressure angles and more concerned with making sure they had a 2 to 
1 ratio that would mesh and work.  We have all kinds of standards 
readily available today that some didn't have 110 years ago (standards 
were in place, but not easily accessible to all).  I'm sure that many 
manufacturers adhered to the standards to the letter.  I know some 
didn't though as I've had examples.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Jim and Diane wrote:

>It seems unlikely to me that early engine people devised a unique gear
>geometry.  This would have been a pretty demanding and expensive undertaking
>and there would have been little if any advantage over what was already
>invented. Almost surely these gears had a 14 1/2 degree pressure angle and
>used an involute curve for the tooth form. There are other PA's in use today
>and unless you are a real gear pro it almost impossible to eyeball different
>pressure angles. There are also other tooth geometries besides involute, the
>drawback is their shape makes them difficult to machine with no gain in
>performance or life.
>
>For gear terms see http://shopswarf.orcon.net.nz/spur.html
>
>Jim
>
>Jim and Diane Kirkes
>Hemet, CA
>jd.kirkes at verizon.net
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:16 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
>
>
>  
>
>>JB,
>>
>>    I've done the same thing several times with good results.  I've
>>found it best to purchase  the crank gear and the cam gear and replace
>>them both.  Some of the old timers had an odd ball pitch on their
>>teeth.  I had a friend who needed a gear made and the guy who cut it for
>>him had to have a special cutter ground to match the other gear.  Some
>>of the real early manufacturers may have ground their own cutters and as
>>a result, it was their own "design".
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>>jbcast at charter.net wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>>What is the best route to take to get gear(s) made?  One is a
>>>>        
>>>>
>combination
>  
>
>>>>i.e. two gears, one casting.  I also need a smaller gear...all straight
>>>>        
>>>>
>cut
>  
>
>>>>teeth.  This is for manually traversing the carriage on my ole lathe.
>>>>        
>>>>
>Could
>  
>
>>>>the old ones be used for a pattern and is this something Rick Rowlands
>>>>        
>>>>
>could
>  
>
>>>>do?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Rick, get a Boston Gear or Rush Gear catalog, see if the gears are
>>>      
>>>
>available, width may be a little different, the center is adaptable also. On
>my lathe I machined the hub and made a ring gear out of the new gear, heated
>and shrunk it on and pinned it. On the double gear, if only one is bad, bore
>it out amd press it on a shaft, bore the new gear and press it next to it.
>  
>
>>>J.B. Castagnos
>>>Belle Rose, LA
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>


From jd1104me at insightbb.com  Wed Jan 26 20:13:06 2005
From: jd1104me at insightbb.com (William Rushing)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:13:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Alpha Senior Dairy Power Plant vw
Message-ID: <001001c50426$8143cde0$6401a8c0@desktop2>

 Alpha Seanior Power Plant Type VW i would like to know what magneto this engine needs . It has a wico c magneto thats seems to fit but it dosnt look right as the govener has to be moved to one side it will run off this magneto but seems to adv the timeing so far when it runs it stops fireing. until it slows down.
TY 
William Rushing
Champaign,IL,USA

From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jan 26 09:41:34 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:41:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
Message-ID: <20050126.233256.992.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Rick,

I'd like to know what your responces are.

I haven't worked on the Rusty Ideal I have but will be in the market for
gears and  crank shaft if I persue rebuilding it.  Gears is one of my
biggest hangups.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jan 26 21:40:32 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:40:32 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day OT
References: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050126225312.10aec8d0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <002301c50432$b7e6a870$1bb7ecdc@morris>

G'Day Dave
>
> Hi Patrick, What the hell is Australia Day? Is it something like our 4the 
> of July?

Not really, we celebrate the day the POMS (Captain Cook) landed on these 
shores, yesterday the aborigines celebrated invasion day, well at least some 
of them got off their backsides for awhile
Having said that it is a day to remember our heritage, new immigrates become 
OZ citizens etc

> Do you guys down under have a 4th of July?

Sure do, usually just after the 3rd of July and just before the 5th July 
8-))


>         Dave
> PS, Happy Australia Day--whatever in the hell that is!



From EnginePaul at aol.com  Wed Jan 26 22:16:09 2005
From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:16:09 EST
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day OT
Message-ID: <1c6.22dde7b7.2f29e129@aol.com>

Sounds like our Columbus Day. We used to celebrate the day Christopher 
Columbus landed in the new world. But now that's not politically correct; some want 
to call it Indigenous People's Day and call it a day of mourning. I see their 
point. Half naked women all over the area, little or no work to do, all the 
food you can eat, no need for money. Not a bad deal.

Have a happy Australia Day.


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jan 27 00:18:38 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:18:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day
References: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050126225312.10aec8d0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <01c001c5044b$7196e560$56111bd3@reg>

Jeez! You yanks dont know niffin about wot goes on outside your borders!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day


> At 05:28 AM 1/26/2005, you wrote:
> >Happy Australia Day to my fellow Aussies!!!!!
> >Patrick M Livingstone
>
> Hi Patrick, What the hell is Australia Day? Is it something like our 4the
> of July? Do you guys down under have a 4th of July?
>          Dave
> PS, Happy Australia Day--whatever in the hell that is!
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Jan 27 02:58:46 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:58:46 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day OT
References: <1c6.22dde7b7.2f29e129@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c5045f$3164eff0$b4b43dca@ogborneuah38i3>

If we are to believe the latest , Columbus did not discover America, the 
Chinese did it in 1421
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <EnginePaul at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT


> Sounds like our Columbus Day. We used to celebrate the day Christopher
> Columbus landed in the new world. But now that's not politically correct; 
> some want
> to call it Indigenous People's Day and call it a day of mourning. I see 
> their
> point. Half naked women all over the area, little or no work to do, all 
> the
> food you can eat, no need for money. Not a bad deal.
>
> Have a happy Australia Day.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From jbcast at charter.net  Thu Jan 27 04:10:23 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:10:23 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
Message-ID: <3k77vd$gpjk59@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net>


> 
> Sounds good Jim but something screwy was going on with the Springfield 
> engines.  A gear on Raymond Scholl's 1 HP had a couple of teeth 
> missing.  No standard gear would match it.  He had to send it to a guy 
> who had a special cutter made to match the existing gear.  Some of the 
> "blacksmith" makers of engines, sometimes which produced only a handful, 
> did it all.  They made the castings, did all the machining, cut the 
> gears, etc.  In some cases, I doubt that they were too concerned with 
> the pressure angles and more concerned with making sure they had a 2 to 
> 1 ratio that would mesh and work.  We have all kinds of standards 
> readily available today that some didn't have 110 years ago (standards 
> were in place, but not easily accessible to all).  I'm sure that many 
> manufacturers adhered to the standards to the letter.  I know some 
> didn't though as I've had examples.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
Tommy, my Holiday marine engine had stripped two of the three timing gears when a guide on the lifter broke, no doubt this is what took it out of service. The gears don't match any in the books, much finer teeth. Usually if you have the same number of teeth and the same diameter it will work. I'm running it on a timing chain from a Pontiac for now. I have the blanks and cutter made, just haven't taken the time to cut them yet. I made a helical gear for another engine, unique rigging, working on a story for GEM, got to get back on that.
J.B. Castgnos 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 27 04:37:14 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:37:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Charlie
Message-ID: <003f01c5046c$eff420a0$230110ac@PAUL>

Folks I just received this message from Charlie Bryant's sister. Charlie is 
counting on the prayers of all of his engine friends to help him get through 
all of this so please take out a moment and ask the Good Lord to be with our 
good friend Charlie and to bring him through this procedure and all of the 
other procedures he will be undergoing.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard R Allen" <gramps16 at juno.com>
To: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: Charlie


> Good Evening,
> Had a call few minutes ago from Charles. --it is decided that a heart
> cath will be done tomorrow PM  --angioplasty--to open up the aortic valve
> more so to be stronger for the pacemaker deal later. His daughter, her
> husband and granddaughter will be there so that will be good.
>
> He wanted me to let you know as he counts on your prayers! Thanks for
> your friendship to him and for upholding him in prayer.
>
> C's sister .
> Lois
> 




From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jan 27 05:18:36 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:18:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charlie and Skip's Stickneys
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV140D01FDE88BD3AD6AE885BB870@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY3-DAV143E5FC78A8252FB9EAEA2BB870@phx.gbl>	<41F7E73C.8060705@scrtc.com>
	<BAY3-DAV140D01FDE88BD3AD6AE885BB870@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41F8EA2C.2080003@imc-group.com>

Rick, Tommy,
There is a fellow in the area who makes a nice running Stickney model. 
Garland Jobe if I have the name correct. That would make a neat picture 
too. The 20HP, the horse and a half, and the model all together.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Richard Strobel wrote:

>Thanks Tommy;
>  Most unique and I've forwarded your message to Charlie.
>
>
>  
>
>>Rick,
>>
>>The 1 1/2 hp's are considerable smaller than the 1 3/4's.  They have a
>>web in the flywheel to counterbalance the crank.  Here's a photo of my 1
>>1/2.
>>
>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30063200&p=60452045
>>
>>    
>>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jan 27 05:18:24 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:18:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Charlie
In-Reply-To: <003f01c5046c$eff420a0$230110ac@PAUL>
References: <003f01c5046c$eff420a0$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <29511.165.206.180.118.1106831904.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

You got it...........................
It's the single biggest and most simple thing that can be done.

Bill


> Folks I just received this message from Charlie Bryant's sister. Charlie
> is
> counting on the prayers of all of his engine friends to help him get
> through
> all of this so please take out a moment and ask the Good Lord to be with
> our
> good friend Charlie and to bring him through this procedure and all of the
> other procedures he will be undergoing.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard R Allen" <gramps16 at juno.com>
> To: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Charlie
>
>
>> Good Evening,
>> Had a call few minutes ago from Charles. --it is decided that a heart
>> cath will be done tomorrow PM  --angioplasty--to open up the aortic
>> valve
>> more so to be stronger for the pacemaker deal later. His daughter, her
>> husband and granddaughter will be there so that will be good.
>>
>> He wanted me to let you know as he counts on your prayers! Thanks for
>> your friendship to him and for upholding him in prayer.
>>
>> C's sister .
>> Lois
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jan 27 04:55:55 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:55:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
In-Reply-To: <3k77vd$gpjk59@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net>
References: <3k77vd$gpjk59@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <41F8E4DB.2090506@scrtc.com>

JB,

    I've had similar experiences.  Looks like your marine engine builder 
didn't follow the "standards" either.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>>    
>>
>Tommy, my Holiday marine engine had stripped two of the three timing gears when a guide on the lifter broke, no doubt this is what took it out of service. The gears don't match any in the books, much finer teeth. Usually if you have the same number of teeth and the same diameter it will work. I'm running it on a timing chain from a Pontiac for now. I have the blanks and cutter made, just haven't taken the time to cut them yet. I made a helical gear for another engine, unique rigging, working on a story for GEM, got to get back on that.
>J.B. Castgnos 
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From toadhill at aeroinc.net  Thu Jan 27 05:28:14 2005
From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:28:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wooden Casting Patterns
Message-ID: <003401c50474$0f261a80$83cc940c@mcness.com>

Curt Holland and Group,

About 20 years ago we stayed at a campground South of Rockford ILL. on the Kishwaukee River.  There was a huge mountain of firewood for the taking.  The mountain was made of large and small casting patterns.  There were large pulleys and flywheels.  Also smaller levers, valves etc.  I wanted to fill our camper with some of these patterns when we left but my wife would have no part of it.  

Joe Maurer
Toadhill Farm

From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jan 27 05:42:24 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:42:24 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
References: <20050126.233256.992.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV36C066604EB5C752125D3BB780@phx.gbl>

Pip..here's the websites J.B suggested;

http://www.rushgears.com/index2.asp?source=1     Read the FAQ's..and looks 
like a good menu.

and the other one;

http://bostongear.com/index.asp   Shows combination gear ie  "Speed 
changers."

Rushgear doesn't stock and they use reverse engineering  ie Send them your 
broken gear(s) and in two weeks you'll have a new one.  Sounds promising.

  Boston gear advertises the straight rack gear and probably has the 
matching round driver meshing gear so it looks like I might be able to 
replace all the manual carriage traverse mechanism if I so desire or have 
to.  SWAGGING that this assembly is not what I'd call super close tolerance 
as it just moves the carriage manually back and forth...nothing to do with 
threading.those gear are fine...halfnut questionable.

Headed back to those websites...THANKS J.B.!!!!!!!

Rick
PS: Rush gear gives an estimate after they receive your gears.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph L Betz" <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making


> Hi Rick,
>
> I'd like to know what your responces are.
>
> I haven't worked on the Rusty Ideal I have but will be in the market for
> gears and  crank shaft if I persue rebuilding it.  Gears is one of my
> biggest hangups.
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com
>  ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
>  \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas "
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jan 27 05:45:00 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:45:00 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Charlie and Skip's Stickneys
References: <BAY3-DAV143E5FC78A8252FB9EAEA2BB870@phx.gbl>	<41F7E73C.8060705@scrtc.com><BAY3-DAV140D01FDE88BD3AD6AE885BB870@phx.gbl>
	<41F8EA2C.2080003@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV3255EEBC425FC708D62E5DBB780@phx.gbl>

Yes it would Curt.  I believe Charlie's got a horse and a half now also.  I 
need to get up there (Havre) and vhs the grandson starting the 20 hp.  Chuck 
asked for that a while back.

later,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Charlie and Skip's Stickneys


> Rick, Tommy,
> There is a fellow in the area who makes a nice running Stickney model.
> Garland Jobe if I have the name correct. That would make a neat picture
> too. The 20HP, the horse and a half, and the model all together.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> Richard Strobel wrote:
>
> >Thanks Tommy;
> >  Most unique and I've forwarded your message to Charlie.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Rick,
> >>
> >>The 1 1/2 hp's are considerable smaller than the 1 3/4's.  They have a
> >>web in the flywheel to counterbalance the crank.  Here's a photo of my 1
> >>1/2.
> >>
> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30063200&p=60452045
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jan 27 05:48:02 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:48:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
References: <BAY3-DAV26FD5BF1A8449C058EDF22BB870@phx.gbl>
	<001a01c503fa$2c2189f0$0ec19a18@pengy>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV10C617C0DBADDE4E5EA785BB780@phx.gbl>

Rick, wouldn't you have to pour a blank as I have some teeth missing...and 
then I'd have to have the teeth milled?

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tod Engine" <todengine at zoominternet.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making


> Well I could sure give it a try. They should come out ok if not too awful
> small.
>
> Rick Rowlands
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:35 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
>
>
> > Howdy again;
> > What is the best route to take to get gear(s) made?  One is a 
> > combination
> > i.e. two gears, one casting.  I also need a smaller gear...all straight
> > cut teeth.  This is for manually traversing the carriage on my ole 
> > lathe.
> > Could the old ones be used for a pattern and is this something Rick
> > Rowlands could do?
> >
> > TIA
> > RickinMt.
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jan 27 06:21:11 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:21:11 EST
Subject: [SEL] wooden toys OT
Message-ID: <126.55519e56.2f2a52d7@aol.com>

Paul,

Here is a picture of a wooden bulldozer and truck I made for my son 25 years 
ago.  Bulldozer for one year and the truck the next, both for Xmas.  The dozer 
I had seen in a magazine and modified to suit, and the truck was own design.  
Probably should have used wood for the wheels, but plastic was easy to come 
by.  Wheels (hidden) also under the dozer.  They were fun projects.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/bulldozer.jpg

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jan 27 06:51:50 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:51:50 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
References: <3k70kp$mebq2c@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net><41F84EF3.7050500@scrtc.com>
	<026801c5041c$e5a6b3b0$91f83e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV2877DE080A1435C337B218BB780@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the link, Jim..."Chordal Addendum" is a new one for me.  I could 
learn a lot from that chart.  Retention is the prob and I'm a year older 
today.  One more year and I'll draw Guard retirement.  Kathy got me a '69 
Toyota Landcruiser for B'day..got a real nice running 292 Chev engine..looks 
good and ya can see the distributor.  Nice pto winch also...look out 
snow!!!!  Warm and good tunes.

Thanks again!!
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim and Diane" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making


> It seems unlikely to me that early engine people devised a unique gear
> geometry.  This would have been a pretty demanding and expensive 
> undertaking
> and there would have been little if any advantage over what was already
> invented. Almost surely these gears had a 14 1/2 degree pressure angle and
> used an involute curve for the tooth form. There are other PA's in use 
> today
> and unless you are a real gear pro it almost impossible to eyeball 
> different
> pressure angles. There are also other tooth geometries besides involute, 
> the
> drawback is their shape makes them difficult to machine with no gain in
> performance or life.
>
> For gear terms see http://shopswarf.orcon.net.nz/spur.html
>
> Jim
>
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, CA
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
>
>
> > JB,
> >
> >     I've done the same thing several times with good results.  I've
> > found it best to purchase  the crank gear and the cam gear and replace
> > them both.  Some of the old timers had an odd ball pitch on their
> > teeth.  I had a friend who needed a gear made and the guy who cut it for
> > him had to have a special cutter ground to match the other gear.  Some
> > of the real early manufacturers may have ground their own cutters and as
> > a result, it was their own "design".
> >
> > Tommy Turner
> > Magnolia, KY
> >
> >
> >
> > jbcast at charter.net wrote:
> >
> > >>What is the best route to take to get gear(s) made?  One is a
> combination
> > >>i.e. two gears, one casting.  I also need a smaller gear...all 
> > >>straight
> cut
> > >>teeth.  This is for manually traversing the carriage on my ole lathe.
> Could
> > >>the old ones be used for a pattern and is this something Rick Rowlands
> could
> > >>do?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >Rick, get a Boston Gear or Rush Gear catalog, see if the gears are
> available, width may be a little different, the center is adaptable also. 
> On
> my lathe I machined the hub and made a ring gear out of the new gear, 
> heated
> and shrunk it on and pinned it. On the double gear, if only one is bad, 
> bore
> it out amd press it on a shaft, bore the new gear and press it next to it.
> > >J.B. Castagnos
> > >Belle Rose, LA
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >SEL mailing list
> > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>
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> 


From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jan 27 07:03:38 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:03:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Wooden Casting Patterns
In-Reply-To: <003401c50474$0f261a80$83cc940c@mcness.com>
References: <003401c50474$0f261a80$83cc940c@mcness.com>
Message-ID: <41F902CA.7060600@imc-group.com>

Joe,
What engine was made in Rockford, Ill? Stover?
Enough to make you cry isn't it....
Curt

Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote:

>Curt Holland and Group,
>
>About 20 years ago we stayed at a campground South of Rockford ILL. on the Kishwaukee River.  There was a huge mountain of firewood for the taking.  The mountain was made of large and small casting patterns.  There were large pulleys and flywheels.  Also smaller levers, valves etc.  I wanted to fill our camper with some of these patterns when we left but my wife would have no part of it.  
>
>  
>



From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jan 27 07:04:36 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:04:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
Message-ID: <20050127.101405.812.3.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Rick,

Got the sites.

JB brought up a point that I would've never thought of.
Pre-made - or - standard gears.

Sorta like bearings.  Every time I need a bearing and it's not available
at my local NAPA,
I go to Gipson Bearing  and get one by measurments.

Thanks.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jan 27 07:51:16 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:51:16 -0700
Subject: [SEL] wooden toys OT
References: <126.55519e56.2f2a52d7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV15A2007BB3098473714E25BB780@phx.gbl>

Pure CLASS, Tom.  Here's what my son teachs in HS wood shop.  No class, but 
purdy kewl!

http://community.webshots.com/album/260857117XktamO

yea, it's laser.

What does one use to release the very old glue from grandma's rocking chair? 
I need to replace some spindles?

Please reply directly

RickinMt.
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com





----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 7:21 AM
Subject: [SEL] wooden toys OT


> Paul,
>
> Here is a picture of a wooden bulldozer and truck I made for my son 25 
> years
> ago.  Bulldozer for one year and the truck the next, both for Xmas.  The 
> dozer
> I had seen in a magazine and modified to suit, and the truck was own 
> design.
> Probably should have used wood for the wheels, but plastic was easy to 
> come
> by.  Wheels (hidden) also under the dozer.  They were fun projects.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/bulldozer.jpg
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Jan 27 08:29:34 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:29:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day OT
In-Reply-To: <01c001c5044b$7196e560$56111bd3@reg>
References: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050126225312.10aec8d0@mail.alltel.net>
	<01c001c5044b$7196e560$56111bd3@reg>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050127112515.10b08010@mail.alltel.net>

At 03:18 AM 1/27/2005, you wrote:
>Jeez! You yanks dont know niffin about wot goes on outside your borders!!
>Reg & Marg Ingold.

Hi Reg,
         Patrick has kindly sent me a video that explains the holiday 
fully. The thing was put out by the Australian Lamb Producers and
the Australia Meat and Livestock Association for Australia Day. I now 
understand fully the importance you folks from down under attach to this 
wonderful day!
         Dave
PS, Hope that you had a good one!
PPS, Patrick's video is on it's way to you as I type!
   



From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Thu Jan 27 08:46:27 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:46:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Wooden Casting Patterns
In-Reply-To: <41F902CA.7060600@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <20050127164627.59650.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com>

Curt

Rockford Engine Works later purchased by Emerson Brantingham was based in
Rockford, IL...They also built engines for Independent Harvester (Plano,
IL).

Some pics of Rockford engines:
http://bailifffamily.com/oldiron/owner.htm

I was at a show last year in IA and a fellow from KY had just picked up a
Crabb engine  along with a set of original wood paterns...pics near the
end of the page:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2004gade4.htm

Steve
--- Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
Joe,
What engine was made in Rockford, Ill? Stover?
Enough to make you cry isn't it....
Curt
 
Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote:
 
Curt Holland and Group,

About 20 years ago we stayed at a campground South of Rockford ILL. on the
Kishwaukee River.  There was a huge mountain of firewood for the taking. 
The mountain was made of large and small casting patterns. 
There were large pulleys and flywheels.  Also smaller levers, valves etc. 
I wanted to fill our camper with some of these patterns when we left but
my wife would have no part of it.  




From ottawa at pa.net  Thu Jan 27 08:51:56 2005
From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:51:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
References: <3k70kp$mebq2c@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net><41F84EF3.7050500@scrtc.com><026801c5041c$e5a6b3b0$91f83e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
	<BAY3-DAV2877DE080A1435C337B218BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1dce01c50490$83ab71e0$88f1cd97@HONDESKTOP>

Happy Birthday to both of us!!  Darn I wish I was your age!!!!

Helen
George L. & Helen S. Myers
The Ottawa Caretakers   ottawa at pa.net
Tel 717-536-3711
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540
http://community.webshots.com/user/doitnowo
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Richard Strobel 
  To: The SEL email discussion list 
  Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 9:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making


  Thanks for the link, Jim..."Chordal Addendum" is a new one for me.  I could 
  learn a lot from that chart.  Retention is the prob and I'm a year older 
  today.  One more year and I'll draw Guard retirement.  Kathy got me a '69 
  Toyota Landcruiser for B'day..got a real nice running 292 Chev engine..looks 
  good and ya can see the distributor.  Nice pto winch also...look out 
  snow!!!!  Warm and good tunes.

  Thanks again!!
  Rick


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Jim and Diane" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
  To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making


  > It seems unlikely to me that early engine people devised a unique gear
  > geometry.  This would have been a pretty demanding and expensive 
  > undertaking
  > and there would have been little if any advantage over what was already
  > invented. Almost surely these gears had a 14 1/2 degree pressure angle and
  > used an involute curve for the tooth form. There are other PA's in use 
  > today
  > and unless you are a real gear pro it almost impossible to eyeball 
  > different
  > pressure angles. There are also other tooth geometries besides involute, 
  > the
  > drawback is their shape makes them difficult to machine with no gain in
  > performance or life.
  >
  > For gear terms see http://shopswarf.orcon.net.nz/spur.html
  >
  > Jim
  >
  > Jim and Diane Kirkes
  > Hemet, CA
  > jd.kirkes at verizon.net
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
  > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
  > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:16 PM
  > Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
  >
  >
  > > JB,
  > >
  > >     I've done the same thing several times with good results.  I've
  > > found it best to purchase  the crank gear and the cam gear and replace
  > > them both.  Some of the old timers had an odd ball pitch on their
  > > teeth.  I had a friend who needed a gear made and the guy who cut it for
  > > him had to have a special cutter ground to match the other gear.  Some
  > > of the real early manufacturers may have ground their own cutters and as
  > > a result, it was their own "design".
  > >
  > > Tommy Turner
  > > Magnolia, KY
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > jbcast at charter.net wrote:
  > >
  > > >>What is the best route to take to get gear(s) made?  One is a
  > combination
  > > >>i.e. two gears, one casting.  I also need a smaller gear...all 
  > > >>straight
  > cut
  > > >>teeth.  This is for manually traversing the carriage on my ole lathe.
  > Could
  > > >>the old ones be used for a pattern and is this something Rick Rowlands
  > could
  > > >>do?
  > > >>
  > > >>
  > > >>
  > > >Rick, get a Boston Gear or Rush Gear catalog, see if the gears are
  > available, width may be a little different, the center is adaptable also. 
  > On
  > my lathe I machined the hub and made a ring gear out of the new gear, 
  > heated
  > and shrunk it on and pinned it. On the double gear, if only one is bad, 
  > bore
  > it out amd press it on a shaft, bore the new gear and press it next to it.
  > > >J.B. Castagnos
  > > >Belle Rose, LA
  > > >
  > > >_______________________________________________
  > > >SEL mailing list
  > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
  > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > _______________________________________________
  > > SEL mailing list
  > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
  > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
  > >
  >
  >
  > _______________________________________________
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  > 
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From rwenig at telus.net  Thu Jan 27 09:20:45 2005
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:20:45 -0700
Subject: [SEL] wooden toys OT
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV15A2007BB3098473714E25BB780@phx.gbl>
References: <126.55519e56.2f2a52d7@aol.com>
	<BAY3-DAV15A2007BB3098473714E25BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41F922ED.7020908@telus.net>

Hello Rick,
	I would sure like to hear about it if there is a "magic potion" 
available to dissolve old glue to loosen the spindles.
	What I have done is to saw off the broken piece carefully. Then 
carefully drill out the end of the spindle from the good part.

Rupert

Richard Strobel wrote:
> 
> What does one use to release the very old glue from grandma's rocking chair? 
> I need to replace some spindles?
> 
> Please reply directly
> 
> RickinMt.
> Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com
> 
> 




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Jan 26 21:34:58 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:34:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050126225312.10aec8d0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <200501271901.j0RJ1Puh048543@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi Dave,
	Australia Day is our National Day. It celebrates the anniversary of
the landing of Captain Arthur Phillip at Port Jackson (Sydney) in 1788.
There are lots of parties, events, fireworks, drinking, running of engines,
and generally celebrating how great it is to live in Australia :)

BTW. What happens on the 4th of July? It is usually just another miserable
day in the middle of winter here!

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----


At 05:28 AM 1/26/2005, you wrote:
>Happy Australia Day to my fellow Aussies!!!!!
>Patrick M Livingstone

Hi Patrick, What the hell is Australia Day? Is it something like our 4the 
of July? Do you guys down under have a 4th of July?
         Dave
PS, Happy Australia Day--whatever in the hell that is! 





From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jan 27 11:05:51 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:05:51 EST
Subject: [SEL] wooden toys OT
Message-ID: <6b.3d94ec16.2f2a958f@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/27/2005 11:32:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

<< What does one use to release the very old glue from grandma's rocking 
chair? >>

Rick,

Probably a hammer to knock the pieces loose from each other.  What little I 
have dealt with seems to be brittle and you have to scrape/chisel/scratch it 
off or out of the holes of pieces.  I would not know what would dissolve it and 
not harm the wood.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jan 27 11:54:33 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:54:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Wooden Casting Patterns
In-Reply-To: <003401c50474$0f261a80$83cc940c@mcness.com>
References: <003401c50474$0f261a80$83cc940c@mcness.com>
Message-ID: <41F946F9.5010207@scrtc.com>

Joe,

    You may have heard me tell this story before.  When I bought the 
remnants of the Hagan Gas Engine Works from Saunier Brothers in 
Lexington, KY, I got a couple of pickup loads of wooden patterns.  I got 
original cylinder patterns, carb patterns, etc.  One of the guys there 
told me that the year before they had probably 10 times that much that 
they had burned for firewood.  He said there was some great big ones 
with spokes (large flywheel patterns I assume) that they had to chop on 
quite a bit to fit them in the stove.  He said they sure didn't take 
long to burn and didn't give off very good heat.  90 year old (at that 
time) dry wood goes fast! 

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Curt Holland and Group,
>
>About 20 years ago we stayed at a campground South of Rockford ILL. on the Kishwaukee River.  There was a huge mountain of firewood for the taking.  The mountain was made of large and small casting patterns.  There were large pulleys and flywheels.  Also smaller levers, valves etc.  I wanted to fill our camper with some of these patterns when we left but my wife would have no part of it.  
>
>Joe Maurer
>Toadhill Farm
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>




From don.h at wcoil.com  Thu Jan 27 12:26:56 2005
From: don.h at wcoil.com (don)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:26:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] wooden toys OT
References: <6b.3d94ec16.2f2a958f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001901c504ae$8c409330$6401a8c0@shop>

if its old hide glue I think vinegar will let lose it grip
don in ohio----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] wooden toys OT


> In a message dated 1/27/2005 11:32:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:
>
> << What does one use to release the very old glue from grandma's rocking
> chair? >>
>
> Rick,
>
> Probably a hammer to knock the pieces loose from each other.  What little 
> I
> have dealt with seems to be brittle and you have to scrape/chisel/scratch 
> it
> off or out of the holes of pieces.  I would not know what would dissolve 
> it and
> not harm the wood.
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
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> 




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jan 27 03:29:00 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:29:00 +1100
Subject: [SEL] O.T.Test
Message-ID: <200501272028.j0RKSmb4009088@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Just testing to see how long this takes to come back. My emails to the list
seem to take a looooong time to appear at the moment :(
10.28pm

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jan 27 13:00:32 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:00:32 -0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T.Test
References: <200501272028.j0RKSmb4009088@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <006601c504b3$3e7e7860$8c9f0952@no1>

Arrived in England at 9.59 GMT. (I saw it come in!
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:29 AM
Subject: [SEL] O.T.Test


> Just testing to see how long this takes to come back. My emails to the list
> seem to take a looooong time to appear at the moment :(
> 10.28pm
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jan 27 13:32:31 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:32:31 -0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T.Test
References: <200501272028.j0RKSmb4009088@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<006601c504b3$3e7e7860$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <001801c504b7$b69d3710$8c9f0952@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T.Test


> Arrived in England at 9.59 GMT. (I saw it come in!
> Dave Croft

My reply to your post arrived back to me in 29 Minutes @ 10.28 GMT.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:29 AM
> Subject: [SEL] O.T.Test
> 
> 
> > Just testing to see how long this takes to come back. My emails to the list
> > seem to take a looooong time to appear at the moment :(
> > 10.28pm
> > 
> > Patrick M Livingstone
> > Leichhardt NSW
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> > 
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From todengine at zoominternet.net  Thu Jan 27 14:07:52 2005
From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:07:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
References: <BAY3-DAV26FD5BF1A8449C058EDF22BB870@phx.gbl><001a01c503fa$2c2189f0$0ec19a18@pengy>
	<BAY3-DAV10C617C0DBADDE4E5EA785BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002f01c504bc$a5aa2080$0ec19a18@pengy>

Maybe, maybe not.  Depends upon where the missing teeth are at and if a 
couple of tricks up my sleeve would work.   If it didn't work yes I could 
also make a blank to be machined.

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making


> Rick, wouldn't you have to pour a blank as I have some teeth missing...and 
> then I'd have to have the teeth milled?
>
> Rick
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tod Engine" <todengine at zoominternet.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 3:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
>
>
>> Well I could sure give it a try. They should come out ok if not too awful
>> small.
>>
>> Rick Rowlands
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>> To: "SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:35 AM
>> Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
>>
>>
>> > Howdy again;
>> > What is the best route to take to get gear(s) made?  One is a 
>> > combination
>> > i.e. two gears, one casting.  I also need a smaller gear...all straight
>> > cut teeth.  This is for manually traversing the carriage on my ole 
>> > lathe.
>> > Could the old ones be used for a pattern and is this something Rick
>> > Rowlands could do?
>> >
>> > TIA
>> > RickinMt.
>> >
>> > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc
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From oldengin at udata.com  Thu Jan 27 14:42:15 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:42:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Drill chart OT
In-Reply-To: <41F946F9.5010207@scrtc.com>
References: <003401c50474$0f261a80$83cc940c@mcness.com>
	<41F946F9.5010207@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <41F96E47.8040500@udata.com>

Ok a young lad at work want a drill chart and I was sure one was on the 
net...   BUT where is it? Thanks

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jan 27 14:59:24 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:59:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Drill chart OT
In-Reply-To: <41F96E47.8040500@udata.com>
References: <003401c50474$0f261a80$83cc940c@mcness.com>
	<41F946F9.5010207@scrtc.com> <41F96E47.8040500@udata.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501271757300.42982@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Leroy,

Drill diameters?  Like this perhaps...
http://www.engineersedge.com/drill_sizes.htm

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Leroy C. wrote:

> Ok a young lad at work want a drill chart and I was sure one was on the
> net...   BUT where is it? Thanks



From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Thu Jan 27 15:11:00 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:11:00 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
References: <3k70kp$mebq2c@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net>
	<41F84EF3.7050500@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <00d101c504c5$7891b2d0$f1d40304@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

One more gear comment.  A correctly made gear has rolling action with the
mating gear, there is no sliding or rubbing.   I suppose a gear could be
made with a variety of cutters and finished off with a file.  This kind of
gear would wear pretty bad which maybe is why you need a new one.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making


> JB,
>
>     I've done the same thing several times with good results.  I've
> found it best to purchase  the crank gear and the cam gear and replace
> them both.  Some of the old timers had an odd ball pitch on their
> teeth.  I had a friend who needed a gear made and the guy who cut it for
> him had to have a special cutter ground to match the other gear.  Some
> of the real early manufacturers may have ground their own cutters and as
> a result, it was their own "design".
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> jbcast at charter.net wrote:
>
> >>What is the best route to take to get gear(s) made?  One is a
combination
> >>i.e. two gears, one casting.  I also need a smaller gear...all straight
cut
> >>teeth.  This is for manually traversing the carriage on my ole lathe.
Could
> >>the old ones be used for a pattern and is this something Rick Rowlands
could
> >>do?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >Rick, get a Boston Gear or Rush Gear catalog, see if the gears are
available, width may be a little different, the center is adaptable also. On
my lathe I machined the hub and made a ring gear out of the new gear, heated
and shrunk it on and pinned it. On the double gear, if only one is bad, bore
it out amd press it on a shaft, bore the new gear and press it next to it.
> >J.B. Castagnos
> >Belle Rose, LA
> >
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Jan 27 15:24:09 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:24:09 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Drill chart OT
References: <003401c50474$0f261a80$83cc940c@mcness.com><41F946F9.5010207@scrtc.com>
	<41F96E47.8040500@udata.com>
Message-ID: <000701c504c7$4dce83f0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

Leroy, Google gives 678.000 items on "Drill Chart"
Lots of charts, drilling tapping etc etc.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl



> Ok a young lad at work want a drill chart and I was sure one was on the 
> net...   BUT where is it? Thanks
> -- 
> C-ya
> 
>   Leroy Clark




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 27 15:55:03 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:55:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] wooden toys OT
References: <126.55519e56.2f2a52d7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001801c504cb$a1daa420$230110ac@PAUL>

BEAUTIFUL!!!!! Tom, these are nice and with your permission I may just make 
a couple for my grandsons. Thanks so much for sending the picture to me. I 
am working on a SUV pulling a small trailer right now.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:21 AM
Subject: [SEL] wooden toys OT


> Paul,
>
> Here is a picture of a wooden bulldozer and truck I made for my son 25 
> years
> ago.  Bulldozer for one year and the truck the next, both for Xmas.  The 
> dozer
> I had seen in a magazine and modified to suit, and the truck was own 
> design.
> Probably should have used wood for the wheels, but plastic was easy to 
> come
> by.  Wheels (hidden) also under the dozer.  They were fun projects.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/bulldozer.jpg
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 27 15:51:04 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:51:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Iron in Alaska
References: <BAY3-DAV7733235BC8F25EF765C31BB870@phx.gbl>
	<00e601c503ed$cd559e40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
Message-ID: <025901c504cb$1082b1c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>

Wait ,  that's the Ross Ice shelf , wrong pole ,  just dont bother running
off down there.
They blow it all up at the end of the movie .

>  Saw a vertical  single  just South of  Greenland  in  the opening
sequence
> to AVP last night  too ;-)

> >   It's a neat vhs of a tour thru an old abandoned silver mine.  They had
> to




From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Thu Jan 27 15:07:06 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:07:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day
References: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <006301c504cc$d49b1560$893354d2@cam>

Hi Patrick
              An excellent coverage of your show, it's always great to get
some feedback on what's happening around the traps.
                 Cam
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:28 PM
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day


> Happy Australia Day to my fellow Aussies!!!!!
>
> Our club had a little display today for Australia Day. Pics at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ausday05.html
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>
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From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Thu Jan 27 16:00:42 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:00:42 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day OT
References: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050126225312.10aec8d0@mail.alltel.net>
	<002301c50432$b7e6a870$1bb7ecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <006501c504cc$d5215c60$893354d2@cam>

Hey Kerry, I thought the Aboriginals celebrated  between Jan 1st
and dec 31st.    Cam
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT


> G'Day Dave
> >
> > Hi Patrick, What the hell is Australia Day? Is it something like our
4the
> > of July?
>
> Not really, we celebrate the day the POMS (Captain Cook) landed on these
> shores, yesterday the aborigines celebrated invasion day, well at least
some
> of them got off their backsides for awhile
> Having said that it is a day to remember our heritage, new immigrates
become
> OZ citizens etc
>
> > Do you guys down under have a 4th of July?
>
> Sure do, usually just after the 3rd of July and just before the 5th July
> 8-))
>
>
> >         Dave
> > PS, Happy Australia Day--whatever in the hell that is!
>
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From page at velocitynet.com.au  Thu Jan 27 16:39:53 2005
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:39:53 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day OT
References: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050126225312.10aec8d0@mail.alltel.net><002301c50432$b7e6a870$1bb7ecdc@morris>
	<006501c504cc$d5215c60$893354d2@cam>
Message-ID: <006101c504d1$e1f3e2a0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Thats a bit naughty Cam.

Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT


> Hey Kerry, I thought the Aboriginals celebrated  between Jan 1st
> and dec 31st.    Cam
> Cam and Edwina Grundy
> Kariong
> Gosford   NSW
> Australia
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 4:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT
>
>
> > G'Day Dave
> > >
> > > Hi Patrick, What the hell is Australia Day? Is it something like our
> 4the
> > > of July?
> >
> > Not really, we celebrate the day the POMS (Captain Cook) landed on these
> > shores, yesterday the aborigines celebrated invasion day, well at least
> some
> > of them got off their backsides for awhile
> > Having said that it is a day to remember our heritage, new immigrates
> become
> > OZ citizens etc
> >
> > > Do you guys down under have a 4th of July?
> >
> > Sure do, usually just after the 3rd of July and just before the 5th July
> > 8-))
> >
> >
> > >         Dave
> > > PS, Happy Australia Day--whatever in the hell that is!
> >
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 27 17:12:28 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:12:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
In-Reply-To: <00d101c504c5$7891b2d0$f1d40304@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <20050128011228.10542.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com>

Rick,

Why not "rebuild" the missing teeth with JB Weld or some other epoxy before sending it to be used
as a pattern,,,  OR,,, Maybe someone will loan one to use as a pattern.

Alan Bowen  rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
Williamsburg, Michigan


		
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jan 26 05:36:02 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 05:36:02 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Quartzsite, Arizona  --  a few pictures
In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20050126084655.01648c74@mail.accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <200501280112.j0S1CSOr070913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Thanks Doug!
I don't know the owner or even where he's from.  If he shows up again, you'll
get the info.

Rob


 
> Rob, the picture you need identified is a Centaur model G. 
> Looks to be a 26. Any chance of getting the serial number?
> 
> 
>                                                       
>            Doug Tallman                 
>            dtallman at accnorwalk.com                 
>            VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director  
>                Greenwich, OH USA                         



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 27 17:52:36 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:52:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Drill chart OT
References: <003401c50474$0f261a80$83cc940c@mcness.com><41F946F9.5010207@scrtc.com>
	<41F96E47.8040500@udata.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0501271757300.42982@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <003901c504dc$0b389160$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>

http://www.newmantools.com/tech/design.htm


bunch of printable charts here 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jan 27 18:50:06 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:50:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bambi and Nitro Need Your Help!!  (OT)
Message-ID: <1106880606.41f9a85eb45d6@webmail.city-net.com>

OK Folks,

We've all heard the pleas for help in these troubled times.  Everything from
bail for Michael Moore's bodyguard to Tsunami Relief.  Well, here's one more.

You all know Bambi and Nitro.  They frequently show up at engine shows that Dave
& I attend.  They have even been linked with that sordid incident at Portland
that Reggie was involved in.  BTW, the involvement of the sheep and the
kangaroo was never proved.

You may not know that Bambi and Nitro are working really hard to get their
degrees.  And to help pay their college tuition, they dance.  Now here's the rub
(so to speak).  The Gentleman's Club where they dance is up for auction on
eBay.

You heard me right.  "Climax World Famous Gentleman's Club and NUDE Drive Thru
Climax One - Worlds only NUDE Drive Thru"  Is on the block!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4353224520

Now how does this affect Bambi and Nitro you ask?  Well there is this local
"group" that favors bible study and casts a squinty eye at young ladies dancing
to pay for their college tuition.  They are pooling their funds to buy Climax
and turn it into a Tea and Bible Study Room.  Naturally, this will leave Bambi
and Nitro without employment and they'll probably have to leave college and do
who knows what to survive.  Poor things...  They'd bid on the place themselves,
but they can't afford the opening bid of $299,000.

What can YOU do to help?

Since there are a number of you who now enjoy the Seven Day Weekend, you
probably realize that you miss the hurley-burley of the work-a-day world, at
least a little.  Here's your chance!!  Pool your funds and buy Climax!!  You
would save Bambi and Nitro from a fate worse than death (and I'm sure they
would really show their gratitude) and you would have an interesting business
to run!!

Could retirement get any sweeter?  The auction runs until February 24th so you
still have time.  Help make sure that Bambi and Nitro will be able to attend
Portland again!!

Sure do wish I was retired!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Jan 27 19:05:35 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:05:35 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Drill chart OT
In-Reply-To: <41F96E47.8040500@udata.com>
Message-ID: <200501280305.j0S35c2b021378@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leroy C. [mailto:oldengin at udata.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 2:42 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Drill chart OT
> 
> Ok a young lad at work want a drill chart and I was sure one 
> was on the net...   BUT where is it? Thanks


Hi Leroy,
If you need a chart of decimal equivalents that you can print out and stick on
the wall...
http://literature.rustyiron.com





From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Jan 27 19:19:40 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:19:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bambi and Nitro Need Your Help!!  (OT)
In-Reply-To: <1106880606.41f9a85eb45d6@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1106880606.41f9a85eb45d6@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050127221526.10b4f530@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Arnie,
         I just talked to Nick. he said to thank you for the publicity. 
Honsburger talked about the sale earlier tonight on KDKA. I'm in for 
$250,000.00 but need several other backers in order to meet Nick's reserve. 
Can I count on you as a partner? Sure beats looking at NUKES all day!
         Dave
PS, Bambi and Nitro said to say HI!

At 09:50 PM 1/27/2005, you wrote:
>OK Folks,
>
>We've all heard the pleas for help in these troubled times.  Everything from
>bail for Michael Moore's bodyguard to Tsunami Relief.  Well, here's one more.
>
>You all know Bambi and Nitro.  They frequently show up at engine shows 
>that Dave
>& I attend.  They have even been linked with that sordid incident at Portland
>that Reggie was involved in.  BTW, the involvement of the sheep and the
>kangaroo was never proved.
>
>You may not know that Bambi and Nitro are working really hard to get their
>degrees.  And to help pay their college tuition, they dance.  Now here's 
>the rub
>(so to speak).  The Gentleman's Club where they dance is up for auction on
>eBay.
>
>You heard me right.  "Climax World Famous Gentleman's Club and NUDE Drive Thru
>Climax One - Worlds only NUDE Drive Thru"  Is on the block!!
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4353224520
>
>Now how does this affect Bambi and Nitro you ask?  Well there is this local
>"group" that favors bible study and casts a squinty eye at young ladies 
>dancing
>to pay for their college tuition.  They are pooling their funds to buy Climax
>and turn it into a Tea and Bible Study Room.  Naturally, this will leave Bambi
>and Nitro without employment and they'll probably have to leave college and do
>who knows what to survive.  Poor things...  They'd bid on the place 
>themselves,
>but they can't afford the opening bid of $299,000.
>
>What can YOU do to help?
>
>Since there are a number of you who now enjoy the Seven Day Weekend, you
>probably realize that you miss the hurley-burley of the work-a-day world, at
>least a little.  Here's your chance!!  Pool your funds and buy Climax!!  You
>would save Bambi and Nitro from a fate worse than death (and I'm sure they
>would really show their gratitude) and you would have an interesting business
>to run!!
>
>Could retirement get any sweeter?  The auction runs until February 24th so you
>still have time.  Help make sure that Bambi and Nitro will be able to attend
>Portland again!!
>
>Sure do wish I was retired!!
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jan 27 20:16:19 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:16:19 +1100
Subject: [SEL] O.T.Test
In-Reply-To: <200501272028.j0RKSmb4009088@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <200501280416.j0S4GPUS053802@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

The test post arrived back at my inbox at 7.31am! 

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M
Livingstone
Sent: Thursday, 27 January 2005 10:29 PM

Just testing to see how long this takes to come back. My emails to the list
seem to take a looooong time to appear at the moment :(
10.28pm

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/





From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Jan 27 21:09:49 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:09:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T.Test
In-Reply-To: <200501280416.j0S4GPUS053802@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200501272028.j0RKSmb4009088@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<200501280416.j0S4GPUS053802@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050128000410.10affad0@mail.alltel.net>

Patrick, when you stop to think how far that little fother mucker went in 
that time you realize just how fast it was going the whole time!
         Dave
PS, Did you get to eat your meat on Australia Day?
PPS, Does anyone know how THAT particular tradition was started down under?

At 11:16 PM 1/27/2005, you wrote:
>The test post arrived back at my inbox at 7.31am!
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M
>Livingstone
>Sent: Thursday, 27 January 2005 10:29 PM
>
>Just testing to see how long this takes to come back. My emails to the list
>seem to take a looooong time to appear at the moment :(
>10.28pm
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Thu Jan 27 21:42:02 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:42:02 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day OT
References: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050126225312.10aec8d0@mail.alltel.net><002301c50432$b7e6a870$1bb7ecdc@morris><006501c504cc$d5215c60$893354d2@cam>
	<006101c504d1$e1f3e2a0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <000a01c504fc$186d1980$e53354d2@cam>

Sorry Ron
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Page" <page at velocitynet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT


> Thats a bit naughty Cam.
>
> Ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT
>
>
> > Hey Kerry, I thought the Aboriginals celebrated  between Jan 1st
> > and dec 31st.    Cam
> > Cam and Edwina Grundy
> > Kariong
> > Gosford   NSW
> > Australia
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 4:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT
> >
> >
> > > G'Day Dave
> > > >
> > > > Hi Patrick, What the hell is Australia Day? Is it something like our
> > 4the
> > > > of July?
> > >
> > > Not really, we celebrate the day the POMS (Captain Cook) landed on
these
> > > shores, yesterday the aborigines celebrated invasion day, well at
least
> > some
> > > of them got off their backsides for awhile
> > > Having said that it is a day to remember our heritage, new immigrates
> > become
> > > OZ citizens etc
> > >
> > > > Do you guys down under have a 4th of July?
> > >
> > > Sure do, usually just after the 3rd of July and just before the 5th
July
> > > 8-))
> > >
> > >
> > > >         Dave
> > > > PS, Happy Australia Day--whatever in the hell that is!
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From guitronics at comcast.net  Fri Jan 28 01:33:42 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:33:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] How to unglue old furniture joints
Message-ID: <41FA06F6.2010101@comcast.net>

From: Michael P. Koryciak,Flint, Michigan
                    The older furniture, and even some still available 
new used mostly animal "Hide" glue, still used in high-end acoustic guitars.
                     You'll have to get a small, hollow tube (Needle), a 
piece of  Silicone tubing(6' should do it), and  an old tea kettle or 
similar.

                       Drill a hole in the joint, or force the needle 
into the joint,softening the glue with steam as you go. You might get by 
with just a tea kettle, but I think holding heavy,awkward furniture 
above a stove is asking for trouble.

                        Here's a link for the guitar setup:   
http://www.stewmac.com


From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Fri Jan 28 02:29:38 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:29:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day OT
References: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050126225312.10aec8d0@mail.alltel.net><002301c50432$b7e6a870$1bb7ecdc@morris><006501c504cc$d5215c60$893354d2@cam>
	<006101c504d1$e1f3e2a0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <001b01c50524$463a13e0$2685dccb@oemcomputer>

BUT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Page" <page at velocitynet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:39
Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT


> Thats a bit naughty Cam.
>
> Ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT
>
>
> > Hey Kerry, I thought the Aboriginals celebrated  between Jan 1st
> > and dec 31st.    Cam
> > Cam and Edwina Grundy
> > Kariong
> > Gosford   NSW
> > Australia
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 4:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT
> >
> >
> > > G'Day Dave
> > > >
> > > > Hi Patrick, What the hell is Australia Day? Is it something like our
> > 4the
> > > > of July?
> > >
> > > Not really, we celebrate the day the POMS (Captain Cook) landed on
these
> > > shores, yesterday the aborigines celebrated invasion day, well at
least
> > some
> > > of them got off their backsides for awhile
> > > Having said that it is a day to remember our heritage, new immigrates
> > become
> > > OZ citizens etc
> > >
> > > > Do you guys down under have a 4th of July?
> > >
> > > Sure do, usually just after the 3rd of July and just before the 5th
July
> > > 8-))
> > >
> > >
> > > >         Dave
> > > > PS, Happy Australia Day--whatever in the hell that is!
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From guitronics at comcast.net  Fri Jan 28 02:32:22 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:32:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A More Direct link to the Steamer w/Pics...to remove old glue
Message-ID: <41FA14B6.6090807@comcast.net>

From: Michael P. Koryciak, Fli8nt, Michigan-

            Here's a more precise link (you won't have to look around 
the site).

                   
http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tools/Special_tools_for:_Neck,_fingerboard/1/Neck_Joint_Steamer/Pictures.html#details 



From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Fri Jan 28 02:31:48 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:31:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day OT
References: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050126225312.10aec8d0@mail.alltel.net><002301c50432$b7e6a870$1bb7ecdc@morris><006501c504cc$d5215c60$893354d2@cam><006101c504d1$e1f3e2a0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
	<000a01c504fc$186d1980$e53354d2@cam>
Message-ID: <003101c50524$9436ad60$2685dccb@oemcomputer>

That was a real sincere reply.I can just tell.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 4:42
Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT


> Sorry Ron
> Cam and Edwina Grundy
> Kariong
> Gosford   NSW
> Australia
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Page" <page at velocitynet.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT
>
>
> > Thats a bit naughty Cam.
> >
> > Ron
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:00 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT
> >
> >
> > > Hey Kerry, I thought the Aboriginals celebrated  between Jan 1st
> > > and dec 31st.    Cam
> > > Cam and Edwina Grundy
> > > Kariong
> > > Gosford   NSW
> > > Australia
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
> > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 4:40 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT
> > >
> > >
> > > > G'Day Dave
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Patrick, What the hell is Australia Day? Is it something like
our
> > > 4the
> > > > > of July?
> > > >
> > > > Not really, we celebrate the day the POMS (Captain Cook) landed on
> these
> > > > shores, yesterday the aborigines celebrated invasion day, well at
> least
> > > some
> > > > of them got off their backsides for awhile
> > > > Having said that it is a day to remember our heritage, new
immigrates
> > > become
> > > > OZ citizens etc
> > > >
> > > > > Do you guys down under have a 4th of July?
> > > >
> > > > Sure do, usually just after the 3rd of July and just before the 5th
> July
> > > > 8-))
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >         Dave
> > > > > PS, Happy Australia Day--whatever in the hell that is!
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > SEL mailing list
> > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 28 04:16:14 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:16:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Charlie called
Message-ID: <002401c50533$2e4964c0$230110ac@PAUL>

Just got this GREAT NEWS from Charlie Bryant's sister and wanted to quickly 
share it with all, Charlie appreciates all of your prayers and thoughts and 
said your prayers brought him through all of this.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard R Allen" <gramps16 at juno.com>
To: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 7:42 PM
Subject: Charlie called


> Hello ,
> Charlie called few minutes ago. The procedure went well --this was done
> in preparation for the Monday doings regarding the pace maker leads. He
> said to thank you for your prayers and that they worked! He was having to
> be flat with pressure on the groin so not too easy to talk. It was 7:15PM
> when he came back to his room.
>
> Our thanks as well.
> Sister, Lois     PS I told him you were setting time apart to pray for
> him
> 




From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jan 28 05:34:21 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:34:21 EST
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
Message-ID: <8.60e6336a.2f2b995d@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/27/2005 6:48:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jd.kirkes at verizon.net writes:

<<  I suppose a gear could be
 made with a variety of cutters and finished off with a file >>


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14325&item=4959475155&r
d=1

I noted the above ebay item and did not know what it was.  After it sold, I 
contacted the buyer and he explained it to me it was a tool used by watchmakers 
to round(form) the ends of gear teeth that had been cut with a straight 
cutter.  The teeth were cut to the proper pitch on the blank gear with a straight 
cutting tool and then "rounded" with this mechanism.  A very rare piece he 
added.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Jan 28 06:38:42 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:38:42 EST
Subject: [SEL] A More Direct link to the Steamer w/Pics...to remove old
	glue
Message-ID: <13c.bb420f3.2f2ba872@aol.com>

Hi Michael,
Thanks for the source of guitar repair stuff.  I have an old Gretsch F hole 
that needs some work and this source should provide the right materials.
Regards,
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia, 
at the Eastern Maytag Haven,
Where the Sons of Newton Secretly Meet,
to Counter the Evil Dave and the Novo Boy of the Frozen North,
who would seek to maintain the bimbos, Nitro and
Bambi, in their bonds of academic serfdom.
Next Meeting: Tues. at 8:00 PM

In a message dated 1/28/2005 5:55:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
guitronics at comcast.net writes:
From: Michael P. Koryciak, Fli8nt, Michigan-

            Here's a more precise link (you won't have to look around 
the site).

                   
http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tools/Special_tools_for:_Neck,_fingerboard/1/Neck_
Joint_Steamer/Pictures.html#details 


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jan 28 07:51:57 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:51:57 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy question
Message-ID: <20050128.075158.180.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
I am doing some work on my 7hp Economy and need to make a new dial on the
fuel mixture needle.  Could someone tell me the correct diameter, and
what kind of marks does it have on the face?  Numbers or just a line? 
Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside California USA
http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/


From jnyost at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 28 08:22:54 2005
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:22:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Drill chart OT
In-Reply-To: <41F96E47.8040500@udata.com>
Message-ID: <20050128162255.37036.qmail@web40621.mail.yahoo.com>

LC,

Try this: www.korit.com/tapndrill.htm


Jim




--- "Leroy C." <oldengin at udata.com> wrote:

> Ok a young lad at work want a drill chart and I was
> sure one was on the 
> net...   BUT where is it? Thanks
> 
> -- 
> 		C-ya
> 
> 		  Leroy Clark
> 
> "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by
> what we give."
>             W.A. NANCE
> 
> 
> better look here---
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


=====
Jim and Janna Yost
Utica, Ohio
USA
jnyost at yahoo.com


		
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jan 28 11:31:26 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:31:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T.Test
In-Reply-To: <200501280416.j0S4GPUS053802@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200501272028.j0RKSmb4009088@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<200501280416.j0S4GPUS053802@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <40260.165.206.180.118.1106940686.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

On the 26th?

The issue is the difference in rotational angles and gravity on the bottom
of a sphere.
It's harder for the electrons in your messages to go up hill to the US.
Electrons have mass and gravity is working on them in their struggle to
get up here.

Of course, messages sent from here go downhill to get to you so take only
seconds.

Bill


>>> The test post arrived back at my inbox at 7.31am!
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M
> Livingstone
> Sent: Thursday, 27 January 2005 10:29 PM
>
> Just testing to see how long this takes to come back. My emails to the
> list
> seem to take a looooong time to appear at the moment :(
> 10.28pm
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Fri Jan 28 11:49:37 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:49:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A More Direct link to the Steamer w/Pics...to remove old
	glue
In-Reply-To: <13c.bb420f3.2f2ba872@aol.com>
References: <13c.bb420f3.2f2ba872@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BE2436B4-7165-11D9-B62B-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Go to http://frets.com/ and study the repair info there thoroughly 
before you do anything like that. Frank Ford's very helpful. He also is 
a moderator on http://guitarists.net forums. Make sure that's not a 
"collector's" guitar! Fixing them up can ruin their value if it's not 
done exactly right.

Also, get acquainted with the Musical Instrument Makers' Forum at: 
http://mimf.com/

John

On Jan 28, 2005, at 9:38 AM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote:

> Hi Michael,
> Thanks for the source of guitar repair stuff.  I have an old Gretsch F 
> hole
> that needs some work and this source should provide the right 
> materials.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 28 14:00:06 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:00:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT    AS568A STD sized O-rings
Message-ID: <004701c50584$bad57360$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>

Anybody buy this stuff in Buna , in  bulk ?  You know the little guys
numbered  010,011,012 etc Everyone and his brother makes em but they want
aerospace prices for auto parts .And it's like a digging for a carb needle
in the bolt bucket . I keep all sizes up past the 300 's  and  am looking
for a new manufacturer/ supplier .


Thanks

Chuck



From page at velocitynet.com.au  Fri Jan 28 17:44:18 2005
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:44:18 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day OT
References: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050126225312.10aec8d0@mail.alltel.net><002301c50432$b7e6a870$1bb7ecdc@morris><006501c504cc$d5215c60$893354d2@cam><006101c504d1$e1f3e2a0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><000a01c504fc$186d1980$e53354d2@cam>
	<003101c50524$9436ad60$2685dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000f01c505a4$0deba690$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

So can I.

Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT


> That was a real sincere reply.I can just tell.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 4:42
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT
>
>
> > Sorry Ron
> > Cam and Edwina Grundy
> > Kariong
> > Gosford   NSW
> > Australia
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Page" <page at velocitynet.com.au>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT
> >
> >
> > > Thats a bit naughty Cam.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
> > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:00 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hey Kerry, I thought the Aboriginals celebrated  between Jan 1st
> > > > and dec 31st.    Cam
> > > > Cam and Edwina Grundy
> > > > Kariong
> > > > Gosford   NSW
> > > > Australia
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
> > > > To: "The SEL email discussion list"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 4:40 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > G'Day Dave
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Patrick, What the hell is Australia Day? Is it something like
> our
> > > > 4the
> > > > > > of July?
> > > > >
> > > > > Not really, we celebrate the day the POMS (Captain Cook) landed on
> > these
> > > > > shores, yesterday the aborigines celebrated invasion day, well at
> > least
> > > > some
> > > > > of them got off their backsides for awhile
> > > > > Having said that it is a day to remember our heritage, new
> immigrates
> > > > become
> > > > > OZ citizens etc
> > > > >
> > > > > > Do you guys down under have a 4th of July?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sure do, usually just after the 3rd of July and just before the
5th
> > July
> > > > > 8-))
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >         Dave
> > > > > > PS, Happy Australia Day--whatever in the hell that is!
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> >
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 28 17:55:35 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 01:55:35 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Economy question
In-Reply-To: <20050128.075158.180.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F29871DB12F39229AB4886EC87A0@phx.gbl>

Hi Ron,

I went out and checked the wifes 7hp and the dial is 1.25 inches in diameter 
and is .25 inches thick.  It doesn't have any lines or numbers on it. It 
does have serrations on the outside of it which is shown in the picture.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/needle_valve.jpg

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
=========================

>From: Ron D Haskell <rdhaskell at juno.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] Economy question
>Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:51:57 -0800
>
>Hi all.
>I am doing some work on my 7hp Economy and need to make a new dial on the
>fuel mixture needle.  Could someone tell me the correct diameter, and
>what kind of marks does it have on the face?  Numbers or just a line?
>Thanks.
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside California USA
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/




From rwenig at telus.net  Fri Jan 28 17:12:46 2005
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:12:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT    AS568A STD sized O-rings
In-Reply-To: <004701c50584$bad57360$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
References: <004701c50584$bad57360$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
Message-ID: <41FAE30E.6040004@telus.net>

Hello Chuck,
	Have you tried "Apple Rubber Products"?

Rupert

kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote:

> Anybody buy this stuff in Buna , in  bulk ?  You know the little guys
> numbered  010,011,012 etc Everyone and his brother makes em but they want
> aerospace prices for auto parts .And it's like a digging for a carb needle
> in the bolt bucket . I keep all sizes up past the 300 's  and  am looking
> for a new manufacturer/ supplier .
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Chuck
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 




From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jan 28 18:25:22 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:25:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day OT
In-Reply-To: <000f01c505a4$0deba690$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
References: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050126225312.10aec8d0@mail.alltel.net>
	<002301c50432$b7e6a870$1bb7ecdc@morris>
	<006501c504cc$d5215c60$893354d2@cam>
	<006101c504d1$e1f3e2a0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
	<000a01c504fc$186d1980$e53354d2@cam>
	<003101c50524$9436ad60$2685dccb@oemcomputer>
	<000f01c505a4$0deba690$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050128212320.10d145d8@mail.alltel.net>

I think Cam was very contrite! You guys just don't know a sincere apology 
when you hear/see one!
         Dave

At 08:44 PM 1/28/2005, you wrote:
>So can I.
>
>Ron
> > That was a real sincere reply.I can just tell.
> > EDD PAYNE


> > > Sorry Ron
> > > Cam



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 28 19:21:19 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:21:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Latest news On Charlie Bryant
Message-ID: <009301c505b1$9c433e50$230110ac@PAUL>

Just got the latest report from Charlie's sister and Charlie is counting on 
all of us to pray him through these procedures. Thanks to all who have 
lifted Charlie up to the Lord during these trying times in his life.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard R Allen" <gramps16 at juno.com>
To: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:56 PM
Subject: Friday eve


> Hello again,
> Hung up from talking with Charles about an hour ago. He seems to be doing
> very well . The DR was pleased as to how well things went yesterday and
> the heart sound was better. The Pacemaker leads removal may not take
> place until Tuesday.  Please pray they will be easily removed and that no
> infection shows on them. He will probably  be there a few days following
> that and then return home for a month. He has decided to have the valve
> replacement done there at Massachusetts General  and not in Maine. I read
> your e-mail to him. He appreciates the prayers . Continue to pray him
> through !! A  BIG thanks!!
> Sister,
> Lois             PS  9 above here tonight.
> 




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jan 28 19:23:44 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:23:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy question
Message-ID: <20050128.192346.276.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks for the measurement and the picture Luke.  That is  exactly what I
needed.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 01:55:35 +0000 "Luke Tonneberger"
<flywheelin at hotmail.com> writes:
> Hi Ron,
> 
> I went out and checked the wifes 7hp and the dial is 1.25 inches in 
> diameter 
> and is .25 inches thick.  It doesn't have any lines or numbers on 
> it. It 
> does have serrations on the outside of it which is shown in the 
> picture.
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/needle_valve.jpg
> 
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Jan 28 21:15:48 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:15:48 EST
Subject: [SEL] Valve Facing Grinder Coolant Fluid
Message-ID: <6.3d839768.2f2c7604@aol.com>

I finished building my roll around table for my newly acquired  Black & 
Decker valve face grinder with coolant pump.  Since I  don't have the instruction 
book for it, I need to know what kind of coolant  fluid to use.  I have been 
told that soluble oil or Marvel Mystery oil can  be used.  Anyone have the 
correct answer or is a matter of personal choice?   

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 



From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Jan 28 22:03:02 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 01:03:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Valve Facing Grinder Coolant Fluid
References: <6.3d839768.2f2c7604@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002701c505c8$31ede700$9a1117d1@net.telenet.net>

Basically anything they can carry away the heat and grinder residue
works fine.

Castrol Clearedge 6519 is what I'm using on most tools. Mixed at 7%
seems to work good and has a long life.

Steve Williams

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 12:15 AM
Subject: [SEL] Valve Facing Grinder Coolant Fluid


> I finished building my roll around table for my newly acquired  Black
&
> Decker valve face grinder with coolant pump.  Since I  don't have the
instruction
> book for it, I need to know what kind of coolant  fluid to use.  I
have been
> told that soluble oil or Marvel Mystery oil can  be used.  Anyone have
the
> correct answer or is a matter of personal choice?
>
> Francis Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jan 29 04:49:32 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:49:32 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Quartzsite, Arizona  --  a few pictures
In-Reply-To: <200501260213.j0Q2DPUl025848@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <20050129124928.SURK29740.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@psmam11.bigpond.com>

Nice pics Rob. I especially like the 4hp R&V (no surprise there). It almost
gets me inspired enough to do some more work on my 4hp ;)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----


Both for your browsing pleasure:
 
http://engines.rustyiron.com/quartz05
 
http://wapa.us/shows/quartz05
 
 




From nick at holden1.net  Sat Jan 29 05:10:10 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:10:10 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] Valve Facing Grinder Coolant Fluid
References: <6.3d839768.2f2c7604@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41FB8B32.000003.01976@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Hi i find Morris Lubricants  Metcut works very well 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: FRM8198 at aol.com
Date: 01/29/05 05:30:22
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Valve Facing Grinder Coolant Fluid
 
I finished building my roll around table for my newly acquired  Black &
Decker valve face grinder with coolant pump.  Since I  don't have the
instruction
book for it, I need to know what kind of coolant  fluid to use.  I have been
told that soluble oil or Marvel Mystery oil can  be used.  Anyone have the
correct answer or is a matter of personal choice?
 
Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, CA
 
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 

From wmrohrer at myactv.net  Sat Jan 29 05:56:25 2005
From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:56:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Beiler's sale bill
Message-ID: <200501291356.j0TDuYZT011328@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Dear Follow List people

I will again this year be glad to sent a copy of their up coming sale bill.

The dates of the sale are February 24 & 25, 2005

I will send it as a jpeg file.

Please email me off list 

You may pass this on to the other ATIS list.

 

LEAGAL STUFF

The only connection with this sale I have with this auction is I am good
friends with John Beiler.

I do this as a favor for them and I get nothing in return from them.

 

Thanks   

Mike

 

Mike Rohrer

Smithsburg, Maryland USA

Collector of Antique Farm Literature

Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------

If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have!

Willie Rohrer 1917-2000

____________________________________________________________________________
____

 



From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 29 06:29:19 2005
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:29:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT gear making in brief
Message-ID: <20050129142919.66773.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com>

Making gears, brief summary

Gear tooth geometry for the most part is a nightmare from the
perspective of a mathematician, but a piece of cake for a machinist. I
have my feet planted in both fields and have looked at gear tooth
design from both perspectives. From a real-world practical standpoint I
could care less about the actual mathematics of a gear tooth shape
because knowing the math of its shape is not necessary for generating
that shape, just as I don?t have to have any knowledge of parabolic
curve equations to be able to throw a rock! 

The way that the commonly used involute gear tooth shape is generated
is done quite simply by the interaction of two mating parts rotating in
the way in which they are to be used. The result is that the correct
and exact curved surfaces on the gear teeth are formed naturally. It is
nowhere near as simple for a mathematician to figure this out and then
draw a picture, and in their words, the machinist?s method is ?elegant?
compared to theirs. The name of the shape is ?involute?, but unlike the
parabolic curve or the circle where there is only one such shape for
each of those (and consequently makes them unique), the involute curve
is actually a whole series of curves that gradually transition in
one-tooth increments from the truly straight-sided triangular teeth
(with the tips cut off) of the flat rack gear to the theoretical
minimum two-toothed pinion gear whose pair of opposed teeth have highly
curved contact surfaces that engage the teeth of a flat gear rack. The
flat gear rack can be thought of as a gear with lots of teeth and a
huge diameter, and in fact on gears with a very great number of teeth,
the teeth are very nearly the same shape as the triangular rack gear
teeth. By the way, one-tooth gears exist and are quite common, they are
called single-helix worms and they run on a worm gear, but that is
cheating because the profile of the worm tooth is the same as a flat
gear rack tooth! A single helix worm is considered a one-tooth gear
because its mating gear advances one tooth per revolution of the worm.
Worms can have more than one helix, though, just like a threaded rod
can have more than one helix cut on it (multiple helix threaded parts
are most commonly used for the screw lids on jars where the engagement
has to be great but the number of turns to unscrew it needs to be few
to save motion).

Gear teeth can be any form you want as long as it is physically
possible for them to mesh. A common everyday non-involute example we
all know is where the teeth are roughly pyramidal on one of the gear
wheels and circular humps on its mating part, which in practice is the
ordinary bicycle sprocket gear and roller chain. The roller chain is
just a long flexible gear and when made into a perfect circle it still
works just fine with its sprocket gear, it fits equally well both
inside and outside! Another non-involute form is the so-called silent
chain used for the timing gear train of engines and also for the
transfer-case gearing in a lot of four-wheel-drive vehicles. The silent
chain tooth shape and method of construction are extremely simple, as
well as rather amazing and efficient in operation, and I think highly
underutilized. 

Involute gears are made by several methods, but the only one that does
not involve specially shaped cutters is by shave-cutting the teeth
using a cutting tool that is a flat gear rack in profile (gear rack, as
in the rack-and-pinion gearing used for a lot of steering mechanisms).
This is highly desirable because the involute curve of a tooth is
different for different numbers of teeth. A cutter with the profile for
a ten-tooth gear is useless for cutting a gear with eleven teeth
because the teeth are different shapes. The only time a specific tooth
profile cutter becomes practical for gears with different number of
teeth is when the number of teeth on a gear becomes very large, which
is when tooth shape begins to approach the flat-sided pyramid shape of
the flat gear rack. For gears with large numbers of teeth a cutter can
be used for a specific range of teeth, one size cutter say for gears
with 24 and 25 teeth,  another for 26, 27, and 28 teeth, another for
29, 30, 31, and 32 teeth, etc., the range increasing as the number of
teeth gets larger. For shave cutting with a gear rack-shaped cutter,
the round gear blank is first ?gashed?, which is where the blank is
indexed for the number of teeth it will have by removing most of the
metal between the teeth by sawing or milling. Next, with the gear blank
laying on its side while the gashed slots are rotated in perfect time
with the rack-shaped cutter teeth, the gashed blank is fed under the
rack-shaped cutter, which is also laying on its side. When the
rack-shaped cutter moves down, its teeth mesh at full depth into the
slots gashed into the blank, and the excess metal between the blank
teeth is shaved off by the sharpened side of the rack. The rack is
moved the same way you would drag a comb down the side of a round
biscuit of soft clay so its teeth scrape grooves into it. The gashed
blank is fed in another tiny increment while also being rotated in
time, and then the rack-shaped cutter moves down again, taking off
another small shaving. After the gashed blank has been fed one complete
revolution in time with the rack-shaped cutter, while also having
dozens or even hundreds of downward strokes performed to shave off
unwanted material, it now has its teeth properly formed with the
involute curve. There were no special levers, arms, linkages, cams, or
any other mind-boggling Rube Goldberg contraptions used. The gear
rack-shaped cutter will cut every and all number of gear teeth on any
size gear using that size and shape of tooth profile. All that is
needed for generating the involute curve are a rack-shaped cutter,
which is extraordinarily simple to make, and a method for timing the
rotation between the gashed biscuit blank and the cutter. Another gear
cutting method based on the rack is gear hobbing using a cutting tool
called a hob. The hob is a round cutter with gear rack-shaped teeth
that cuts by being rotated instead of being moved linearly and is the
same basic design shape as a thread-cutting tap. A hob that is
positioned correctly with an accurately-gashed gear blank is
self-timing in very thin gears and automatically rotates the gear blank
as it is fed in from the side, the angled teeth grabbing and rotating
the work piece as it turns. The flat gear rack teeth can have any
amount of truncation and angle of triangle you want, within reason set
by the physical limitations of the parts that mesh with it. Half of the
angle between the legs of the triangular rack teeth is one definition
of the gear tooth pressure angle, and the angle most commonly used for
gears with large numbers of teeth is 14.5 degrees. Gears with few teeth
use 20? or 25? to avoid thin tooth roots from gear tooth tip motion
that requires clearance that ?undercuts? into the root of the gear
tooth. The 14.5? angle was very specifically chosen because the sine of
14.5 degrees is extremely close to 0.25 (0.25038 to be exact), making
the measurement calculations for machining the gear rack very easy (in
fact, the 14.5? gear tooth pressure angle is in reality 14.478? because
the actual sine value used is 0.25000, not 0.25038, but in the real
world that value in its application is so close to 14.5? that there is
no meaningful difference between the two angles). A pressure angle of
20? is also very common in gears with a large number of teeth,
especially in German machinery, or for gears made from very soft
materials. As the pressure angle is increased the force pushing the
gears apart increases, so if the squat blunt teeth of a shallow
pressure angle are used, then a great deal of force is generated
pushing the gears apart and it unnecessarily tears up the bearings
supporting the gears. A pressure angle of 30? is occasionally found,
and it is the result of the gears being hobbed using an ordinary
threading tap! The thread tap-hobbed 30? pressure-angle teeth are very
blunt and come to sharp points, which are only good for light torque
loads. 

Sprocket gears used with roller chains are another example where the
shape of one of the parts is used to generate the other. Sprockets are
cut by advancing a round cutter into a gear blank that is rotated in
time with it. The round cutter travels the same path as a roller in the
roller chain and therefore cuts out the shape of its contact path. 

The silent chain used for timing in a lot of engines is an example
where there are no special curves or oddball calculations needed! The
geometry of the links eliminates all of that. Another feature that is
peculiar to silent chain is that the lengthening of pitch from wear is
self-compensating because as the chain is re-tensioned it climbs
outward on the gear teeth, where the pitch is greater. Because of this
they are good where rotational velocity needs to be very uniform,
making it perfect for running camshafts that have the ignition timing
attached. They are also good for tank tracks where high speed
chattering from a mis-matched pitch between the track and drive
sprocket caused by excessive wear would be a problem. 

Hypoid and other gears with compound curved teeth and odd-angle contact
seem to be a real puzzler about how they are cut, but again the motions
needed to form the contact paths are generated while being cut by
timing the cutters with the rotation of the gear blanks. 

Standardized gear tooth sizes are determined by making the generator
flat gear rack with tooth spacings specified by using a formula based
on pi-inches. One pi-inch is simply 3.14159 inches long. A gear with 20
teeth per pi-inch has the teeth 0.1571 inches apart, or 1/20 of an inch
multiplied by pi.  A gear with three teeth per pi-inch has them 1.0472
inches apart. Instead of calling them teeth per pi-inch it is
abbreviated as a 20-pitch, 9-pitch, or 3-pitch, etc., gear. All gears
with the same size pitch number will all fit each other. So a gear with
127 teeth will fit a 50 tooth gear if they both have the same pitch
number. 

The only special calculations that need to be made for the machining
operations generated by the natural functions of gear tooth contact
paths are for making adequate clearance and minimizing backlash. The
final operation in some gearing is by selecting the gears that fit
together the best because things like minor differences from one
cutting tool to the next can amplify differences that make selected fit
necessary in spite of careful measurement and good machine shop
practice. That is why straight cut spur gears are a favorite where
noise is of no concern since their simplicity in both design and
manufacturing methods produce very precise parts where little or no
matching needs to be done to ensure a good fit. Helical and hypoid
gears introduce angles where the set-up measurements are based on their
tangents, and tiny errors of 1/10,000 inch will introduce
angle-amplified cutting errors of up to 0.020-inch that are totally
unavoidable, even by the best equipment and operators. This is where
custom fitting of parts becomes necessary, and is why automobile
differentials with hypoid ring and pinion gears must be in custom
matched sets.

There is still a lot more to gears and their designs, but this covers
most of the real basics. Simple spur gears can be cut in a home
workshop on an ordinary lathe with some special attachments.

Rich Allen



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Jan 29 07:31:19 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:31:19 EST
Subject: [SEL] Valve Facing Grinder Coolant Fluid
Message-ID: <67.3d624600.2f2d0647@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/29/2005 5:46:49 AM Pacific Standard Time,  
nick at holden1.net and nick at holden1.net recommend using the following  fluids:
 
Morris Lubricants  Metcut (This product is made in the UK - couldn't  find a 
local distributor)


Castrol Clearedge 6519 (I'll have to check on availability on Monday)
 
Thanks for information.
 
 
 
Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jan 29 07:34:54 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:34:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT gear making in brief
In-Reply-To: <20050129142919.66773.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050129142919.66773.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41FBAD1E.7040502@scrtc.com>

Rich,

    I agree with what you say!.....  I have an undergraduate degree in 
engineering and its been a long time since I've seen some of the info 
you discuss.  You do a great job in your explaination.  In the 1970's I 
attended the Bluegrass Steam and Gas Engine Show in Harrodsburg, KY.  I 
had the pleasure of meeting a gentleman who had worked at the Hagan 
Engine Factory.  While he had several years on him, his mind was sharp 
and the hour or so discussion I had with him revealed a wealth of info.  
I remember him telling me about some of the things they did, or the 
"tricks" they pulled before an engine was let out of the factory.  One 
had to do with the cam gears.  Many of the Hagan engines had the cam 
shaft mounted in a off center housing. In order to adjust the cam 
movement (to give it more or less thrust against the cam rollers), the 
housing was twisted.  When this occured it would set the gear off center 
and would cause the teeth to mesh at an angle to one another.  He told 
me that once they got the engine timing, valves, etc. all set at the 
right spot, there would sometimes be gear noise do to the offset mesh.  
They had a simply solution.  They lapped them in.  He said they had a 
mixture of grit and grease that they would allow to go through the gears 
and after a bit (depending on the degree of the offset) the noise would 
lessen and the engine was ready to ship.  Actually they were just 
wearing the teeth in mesh with one another.  I used this once as I had a 
4 HP Famous that had 4 teeth missing from the cam gear.  I built them up 
with brass, did what I thought was a good job of machining them back on 
and then put the gear back on the engine.  Every time it would get to 
the point where the new teeth were I would hear "rump, rump, rump".  I 
got some valve lapping compound and after about 30 minutes of gradually 
applying a couple of tubes through the gears, the noise greatly 
subsided.  Since the brass was a lot softer than the iron gears, most of 
the wear was "lapping" the brass teeth to match the others.  I ran  the 
engine at shows for a couple of years and never had any problems. 

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY





From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 29 09:20:17 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:20:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
Message-ID: <01c501c50626$cf653ed0$230110ac@PAUL>

Does anyone know where I can buy some large wide rubber bands, approximately 3/4" wide by 8" long, maybe 10" long?

Paul


From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Sat Jan 29 09:37:09 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:37:09 +0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
In-Reply-To: <01c501c50626$cf653ed0$230110ac@PAUL>
References: <01c501c50626$cf653ed0$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <pcinv01ebadbfiroabec91be9vaf1bvvod@4ax.com>

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:20:17 -0600, you wrote:

>Does anyone know where I can buy some large wide rubber bands, approximately 3/4" wide by 8" long, maybe 10" long?
>
>Paul

Cut up some inner tubes if they are not required to be too cosmetically 'nice'.

Peter
--
Peter & Rita Forbes
Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk
Web http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jan 29 09:47:25 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:47:25 -0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
Message-ID: <20050129.094726.1320.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Paul.
You might consider cutting your own out of an old inner tube.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:20:17 -0600 "Paul Maples"
<paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> Does anyone know where I can buy some large wide rubber bands, 
> approximately 3/4" wide by 8" long, maybe 10" long?
> 
> Paul
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From BillMil357 at aol.com  Sat Jan 29 10:01:09 2005
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:01:09 EST
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
Message-ID: <2b.6b97ecd1.2f2d2965@aol.com>

Hey Paul,
 
Can you cut them off an old inner tube, you can cut them any width you want  
and get small or large tube for the length you want.
 
See ya,
 
Bill Miller.


From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Sat Jan 29 13:31:46 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:31:46 -0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
In-Reply-To: <01c501c50626$cf653ed0$230110ac@PAUL>
References: <01c501c50626$cf653ed0$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050129132845.01a5b030@mail.pennswoods.net>

Paul i get bands at the local er in the hospital. You need to over lap them 
and a spot of super glue make the length you want. they are the ones they 
use on your arm when drawing blood.
R Fink
PA




At 09:20 AM 1/29/2005, you wrote:
>Does anyone know where I can buy some large wide rubber bands, 
>approximately 3/4" wide by 8" long, maybe 10" long?
>
>Paul
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From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Jan 29 10:32:54 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:32:54 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
In-Reply-To: <01c501c50626$cf653ed0$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <20050129183254.72928.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Paul

Try a shop that sells model aeroplane kits: rubber bands about that size used to be used to hold
the wings onto the fuselage in the tissue and dope age.

Regards

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea


 --- Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote: 
> Does anyone know where I can buy some large wide rubber bands, approximately 3/4" wide by 8"
> long, maybe 10" long?
> 
> Paul
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 29 10:46:10 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:46:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
References: <01c501c50626$cf653ed0$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <01fc01c50632$cef74450$230110ac@PAUL>

Thanks to all who have responded so far, if I cannot find any to buy I will 
have to try the inter tube approach.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:20 AM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands


Does anyone know where I can buy some large wide rubber bands, approximately 
3/4" wide by 8" long, maybe 10" long?

Paul
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jan 29 10:45:31 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:45:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bambi and Nitro Need Your Help!!  (OT)
References: <1106880606.41f9a85eb45d6@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV1829689DAB34F6DADA91E9BB7A0@phx.gbl>

Does it have a "Seating Capacity" or a "GVW" like the Mt. ones???

Cheap at half the price!!!

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old_Engine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "Slick Willy" <slick at toltbbs.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 7:50 PM
Subject: [SEL] Bambi and Nitro Need Your Help!! (OT)


> OK Folks,
>
> We've all heard the pleas for help in these troubled times.  Everything 
> from
> bail for Michael Moore's bodyguard to Tsunami Relief.  Well, here's one 
> more.
>
> You all know Bambi and Nitro.  They frequently show up at engine shows 
> that Dave
> & I attend.  They have even been linked with that sordid incident at 
> Portland
> that Reggie was involved in.  BTW, the involvement of the sheep and the
> kangaroo was never proved.
>
> You may not know that Bambi and Nitro are working really hard to get their
> degrees.  And to help pay their college tuition, they dance.  Now here's 
> the rub
> (so to speak).  The Gentleman's Club where they dance is up for auction on
> eBay.
>
> You heard me right.  "Climax World Famous Gentleman's Club and NUDE Drive 
> Thru
> Climax One - Worlds only NUDE Drive Thru"  Is on the block!!
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4353224520
>
> Now how does this affect Bambi and Nitro you ask?  Well there is this 
> local
> "group" that favors bible study and casts a squinty eye at young ladies 
> dancing
> to pay for their college tuition.  They are pooling their funds to buy 
> Climax
> and turn it into a Tea and Bible Study Room.  Naturally, this will leave 
> Bambi
> and Nitro without employment and they'll probably have to leave college 
> and do
> who knows what to survive.  Poor things...  They'd bid on the place 
> themselves,
> but they can't afford the opening bid of $299,000.
>
> What can YOU do to help?
>
> Since there are a number of you who now enjoy the Seven Day Weekend, you
> probably realize that you miss the hurley-burley of the work-a-day world, 
> at
> least a little.  Here's your chance!!  Pool your funds and buy Climax!! 
> You
> would save Bambi and Nitro from a fate worse than death (and I'm sure they
> would really show their gratitude) and you would have an interesting 
> business
> to run!!
>
> Could retirement get any sweeter?  The auction runs until February 24th so 
> you
> still have time.  Help make sure that Bambi and Nitro will be able to 
> attend
> Portland again!!
>
> Sure do wish I was retired!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
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> 


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 29 10:54:57 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:54:57 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
References: <01c501c50626$cf653ed0$230110ac@PAUL>
	<6.1.0.6.0.20050129132845.01a5b030@mail.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <020101c50634$098a6ce0$230110ac@PAUL>

Thanks Rich for the lead, I have a sister-in-law who works at the local 
Medical Center, I will ask her to check this out for me.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Fink Sr" <nancydick at pennswoods.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands


> Paul i get bands at the local er in the hospital. You need to over lap 
> them and a spot of super glue make the length you want. they are the ones 
> they use on your arm when drawing blood.
> R Fink
> PA
>
>
>
>
> At 09:20 AM 1/29/2005, you wrote:
>>Does anyone know where I can buy some large wide rubber bands, 
>>approximately 3/4" wide by 8" long, maybe 10" long?
>>
>>Paul
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
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>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jan 29 11:13:20 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:13:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] A More Direct link to the Steamer w/Pics...to remove old
	glue
References: <41FA14B6.6090807@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV30918EDE31B4C50D09401EBB7A0@phx.gbl>

Thanks much..never thot of using a pressure cooker...and I'll find some way 
to hook it to the hypo needle that fits my grease gun.

Take Care,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "lightningrod" <guitronics at comcast.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 3:32 AM
Subject: [SEL] A More Direct link to the Steamer w/Pics...to remove old glue


> From: Michael P. Koryciak, Fli8nt, Michigan-
>
>             Here's a more precise link (you won't have to look around
> the site).
>
>
> http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tools/Special_tools_for:_Neck,_fingerboard/1/Neck_Joint_Steamer/Pictures.html#details
>
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Jan 29 11:16:20 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:16:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
Message-ID: <20050129.141731.1000.7.jlb94@juno.com>

Large Gum Bands - 

You might try the Produce Dept. of a Super Market. 
I've seen them in the back rooms.
I'm sure they would give you a few. 

We used to buy those at the 5&10 to make sling shots.
Then - they took them off the shelves.

I used to use truck innertubes (and still do) but the newer materials
don't have the 
elasticity of the old ones.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
\/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jan 29 11:43:31 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:43:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making  and rope maker
References: <20050128011228.10542.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV32CDACEA5894E411F938EBBB7A0@phx.gbl>

It would take a lot of time to do that.  Think I'll just send them off to 
the pro's..if the price isn't too bad.

Let me know when Spence get the rope maker money.  I can't open his 
spreadsheet.

Thankspard
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making


> Rick,
>
> Why not "rebuild" the missing teeth with JB Weld or some other epoxy 
> before sending it to be used
> as a pattern,,,  OR,,, Maybe someone will loan one to use as a pattern.
>
> Alan Bowen  rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> Williamsburg, Michigan
>
>
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jan 29 11:45:45 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:45:45 -0700
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
References: <20050129.141731.1000.7.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl>

Try Staples, Paul
]
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph L Betz" <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands


> Large Gum Bands - 
> 
> You might try the Produce Dept. of a Super Market. 
> I've seen them in the back rooms.
> I'm sure they would give you a few. 
> 
> We used to buy those at the 5&10 to make sling shots.
> Then - they took them off the shelves.
> 
> I used to use truck innertubes (and still do) but the newer materials
> don't have the 
> elasticity of the old ones.
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
> jlb94 at juno.com
> ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
> \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
> (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 29 11:38:48 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:38:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Repro Novo Water Hopper Cover on eBay
Message-ID: <1107027528.41fbe64830b4a@webmail.city-net.com>

Looks like a nice one.

View this Item on eBay at
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ANTIQUE NOVO HIT & MISS GAS ENGINE WATER HOPPER COVER
Item number: 3870437059
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Summary
This is an Iron Casting made from an Original Novo Water Hopper Cover. It fits
any 3 15/16 inch to 4 1/16 inch Hopper Hole. I was told that all 1 cylinder
Novo Hopper Holes from 1 h.p. up to 10 h.p. are the same size. If this isn't
true please email me the facts and Please measure your water hopper before
bidding. 

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 29 11:42:04 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:42:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave)
Message-ID: <1107027724.41fbe70ca8470@webmail.city-net.com>

Hey Dave,

Good news!!  Now you won't need to look for that retarded kid any more.
The seller said it works great!!  You just grab onto those big brass pins...

See ya,  Arnie

----- Forwarded message from fero_ah at city-net.com -----
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Buzz Coil Tester (Must See)
Item number: 3870483956
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Summary
BUZZ COIL TESTER
This auction is for one buzz coil tester. This tester is built to last, If you
are in to&nbsp;old gas engines that run off &nbsp;a buzz coil and a battery you
need one of these testers. This tester tells you&nbsp;volts as well&nbsp;as
amps, Its one think to have a buzz coil spark but its great to know if its
putting out the&nbsp;right amount of amps because if not it wares out the coil
and over works the battery. This tester comes with direction for operation of
unit.

From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Sat Jan 29 12:00:10 2005
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:00:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] stover  hit and miss parts wanted
Message-ID: <001901c5063d$238026e0$7081a018@satx.rr.com>

I need Stover model W parts.  3 Hp connecting rod and govenor parts especially...email me or call 210-651-6229.

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 29 12:07:22 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:07:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Repro Novo Water Hopper Cover on eBay
Message-ID: <1107029242.41fbecfa6522b@webmail.city-net.com>

Looks like a nice one.

View this Item on eBay at
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ANTIQUE NOVO HIT & MISS GAS ENGINE WATER HOPPER COVER
Item number: 3870437059
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Summary
This is an Iron Casting made from an Original Novo Water Hopper Cover. It fits
any 3 15/16 inch to 4 1/16 inch Hopper Hole. I was told that all 1 cylinder
Novo Hopper Holes from 1 h.p. up to 10 h.p. are the same size. If this isn't
true please email me the facts and Please measure your water hopper before
bidding. 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 29 12:08:24 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:08:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave)
Message-ID: <1107029304.41fbed3831f7d@webmail.city-net.com>

Hey Dave,

Good news!!  Now you won't need to look for that retarded kid any more.
The seller said it works great!!  You just grab onto those big brass pins...

See ya,  Arnie

----- Forwarded message from fero_ah at city-net.com -----
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Buzz Coil Tester (Must See)
Item number: 3870483956
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Summary
BUZZ COIL TESTER
This auction is for one buzz coil tester. This tester is built to last, If you
are in to&nbsp;old gas engines that run off &nbsp;a buzz coil and a battery you
need one of these testers. This tester tells you&nbsp;volts as well&nbsp;as
amps, Its one think to have a buzz coil spark but its great to know if its
putting out the&nbsp;right amount of amps because if not it wares out the coil
and over works the battery. This tester comes with direction for operation of
unit.



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 29 12:11:07 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:11:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl>
References: <20050129.141731.1000.7.jlb94@juno.com>
	<BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1107029467.41fbeddb1b169@webmail.city-net.com>

Rick,  Read the subject.  He wants to use rubber bands not staples.  Arnie

Quoting Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>:

> Try Staples, Paul



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 29 12:20:19 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:20:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
References: <20050129183254.72928.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <023501c5063f$f696c730$230110ac@PAUL>

Thanks Dave for the lead, I will check this out. What does the phrase 
"Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea" stand for?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Everett" <deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands


> Paul
>
> Try a shop that sells model aeroplane kits: rubber bands about that size 
> used to be used to hold
> the wings onto the fuselage in the tissue and dope age.
>
> Regards
>
> Dave
> Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea
>
>
> --- Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:




From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Jan 29 13:31:54 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:31:54 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
In-Reply-To: <023501c5063f$f696c730$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <20050129213154.75239.qmail@web25008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Paul

I work in Saudi Arabia and it is a take off of the quintissential British seaside town name.

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea

 --- Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote: 
> Thanks Dave for the lead, I will check this out. What does the phrase 
> "Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea" stand for?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Everett" <deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 12:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
> 
> 
> > Paul
> >
> > Try a shop that sells model aeroplane kits: rubber bands about that size 
> > used to be used to hold
> > the wings onto the fuselage in the tissue and dope age.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Dave
> > Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea
> >
> >
> > --- Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>  


	
	
		
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 29 13:32:52 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:32:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] A More Direct link to the Steamer w/Pics...to remove oldglue
References: <13c.bb420f3.2f2ba872@aol.com>
Message-ID: <008401c5064a$1751a3a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>


> Bambi, in their bonds of academic serfdom.
> Next Meeting: Tues. at 8:00 PM


Serf's up Ron !!!
Somebody just dumped a 1 1/2 Challenge  in the back of my truck . Whataya
know bout that
I was supposed to go out to the junk yard and find that thing a week ago .
Completely stuck with a promising gap around the piston . plug conversion -
mag/ign. gone ,
wanna trade for the Gretsch ?

Chuck



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jan 29 14:36:00 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:36:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave)
In-Reply-To: <1107027724.41fbe70ca8470@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1107027724.41fbe70ca8470@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050129172502.10d45760@mail.alltel.net>

At 02:42 PM 1/29/2005, you wrote:
>Hey Dave,
>Good news!!  Now you won't need to look for that retarded kid any more.
>The seller said it works great!!  You just grab onto those big brass pins...
>See ya,  Arnie
>----- Forwarded message from fero_ah at city-net.com -----
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Hi Arnie,
         I'm IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For those of you who don't know what the 
hell Arnie is talking about I used to have a retarded kid living next door 
to me. Nice kid, so he was--and very useful. Whenever I needed to test a 
WICO mag, or a HT coil I would invite the kid over for some soda pop. While 
he was in my workshop I would ask him to hold on to two wires and then I 
would trip the mag. I could tell by how high the kid jumped how "hot" the 
mag was. Anything over 6" in the air was hot enough to fire an engine! 
Well, this worked for over 6 years, but several years ago the family moved 
away. I then used other neighborhood kids, but found that you could only 
use them once! This tester will solve my problem once and for all! Thanks 
for the heads up Arnie!
         Dave
PS, I just got back from Wal-Mart. After looking at who parks in the 
handicapped spaces I'm even more convinced that FAT and handicapped ARE NOT 
the same thing!




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jan 29 14:44:10 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:44:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
In-Reply-To: <020101c50634$098a6ce0$230110ac@PAUL>
References: <01c501c50626$cf653ed0$230110ac@PAUL>
	<6.1.0.6.0.20050129132845.01a5b030@mail.pennswoods.net>
	<020101c50634$098a6ce0$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050129173810.10e19680@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Paul,
         You know, when this thread first started I didn't notice the word 
"Bands" in the subject and thought you must just be bragging. Then, upon 
thinking about it, I figured that Dolly could incorporate it into her GEM 
piece this month along with the e-bay sale of The Climax and GEM's 
circulation would go up. However, now I'm just glad that it's working out 
for you!
         Dave
PS, Perhaps I missed it, but what do you intend to use these rubber bands for?

At 01:54 PM 1/29/2005, you wrote:
>Thanks Rich for the lead, I have a sister-in-law who works at the local 
>Medical Center, I will ask her to check this out for me.
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" 
><nancydick at pennswoods.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 3:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
>
>
>>Paul i get bands at the local er in the hospital. You need to over lap 
>>them and a spot of super glue make the length you want. they are the ones 
>>they use on your arm when drawing blood.
>>R Fink
>>PA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 09:20 AM 1/29/2005, you wrote:
>>>Does anyone know where I can buy some large wide rubber bands, 
>>>approximately 3/4" wide by 8" long, maybe 10" long?
>>>
>>>Paul
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jan 29 14:50:07 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:50:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl>
References: <20050129.141731.1000.7.jlb94@juno.com>
	<BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050129174816.10dbd1b0@mail.alltel.net>

At 02:45 PM 1/29/2005, you wrote:
>Try Staples, Paul
>]
>RickinMt.

Hey Rick, The man is looking for rubber bands. If he had been looking for 
staples the subject would have read "OT Need some large Staples"
         Dave 



From shop at cccomm.net  Sat Jan 29 14:59:14 2005
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:59:14 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Webster Holder
References: <20050129.141731.1000.7.jlb94@juno.com><BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050129174816.10dbd1b0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <018401c50656$277acac0$6401a8c0@Shop>


It's been very damp, cold and foggy here so I cranked up the heat in the
shop and built something I've been meaning to do for a long time. I have
several engines that run with Webster magnetos and every time I have to work
on one I end up clamping it in the vise to hold it while trying to trip the
mechanism to check spark, and invariably the thing comes loose and falls
out. So with the cold nasty fog outside I built a bracket to hold them. I
used an old igniter from a Alamo engine, a piece of  4 X 4 angle and mounted
the igniter to the angle. Made a handle and a couple of slides for the push
rod, mounted the trip finger and I was done. Works great, makes me wonder
why I didn't do this years ago. I guess when we get older we eventually get
wiser.........
A couple of pictures of this contraption at
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31617116&f=
Dave





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 29 15:48:02 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:48:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Webster Holder
In-Reply-To: <018401c50656$277acac0$6401a8c0@Shop>
References: <20050129.141731.1000.7.jlb94@juno.com><BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050129174816.10dbd1b0@mail.alltel.net>
	<018401c50656$277acac0$6401a8c0@Shop>
Message-ID: <1107042482.41fc20b231eac@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Dave,

Pretty fancy rig!!  Are you aware of the Webster tripping handles that go over
the right hand pin on the front of the mag?  Makes testing (if you'll pardon
the unintended pun) a snap.  With one of those you don't even need a vice, just
hold the mag/ignitor on the bench with one hand, and trip it with the other.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting Dave Ernst <shop at cccomm.net>:

> It's been very damp, cold and foggy here so I cranked up the heat in the
> shop and built something I've been meaning to do for a long time. I have
> several engines that run with Webster magnetos and every time I have to work
> on one I end up clamping it in the vise to hold it while trying to trip the
> mechanism to check spark, and invariably the thing comes loose and falls
> out. So with the cold nasty fog outside I built a bracket to hold them. I
> used an old igniter from a Alamo engine, a piece of  4 X 4 angle and mounted
> the igniter to the angle. Made a handle and a couple of slides for the push
> rod, mounted the trip finger and I was done. Works great, makes me wonder
> why I didn't do this years ago. I guess when we get older we eventually get
> wiser.........
> A couple of pictures of this contraption at
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31617116&f=




From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jan 29 15:55:48 2005
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:25:48 +1030
Subject: [SEL] OT engine rescuer
Message-ID: <000701c5065e$0e9e3930$e1c68890@chaos>

http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/images/photo118.jpg
 more safety related pics
http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/archive/default.htm



From oldengin at udata.com  Sat Jan 29 17:48:27 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:48:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Drill chart OT
In-Reply-To: <200501280305.j0S35c2b021378@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200501280305.j0S35c2b021378@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <41FC3CEB.4010507@udata.com>

Thanks to everyone who helped me with this issue, I now have him a drill 
chart...

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From guitronics at comcast.net  Sat Jan 29 22:52:00 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:52:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave)
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050129172502.10d45760@mail.alltel.net>
References: <1107027724.41fbe70ca8470@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050129172502.10d45760@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <41FC8410.40108@comcast.net>

Michael P. Koryciak Writes:
                       I'm sure you guys meant no offense....and the 
gist of the joke is kinda funny.

You gotta understand that there are people who read this list that are 
soft-hearted towards those of us born with disabilities.

I'm not demanding anything, nor do I believe in "Politically-Correct" 
speech.

I have a 19-year old stepson who is retarded, sometimes called "Mentally 
Impaired".(PC!).

He's stuck at between 3 and 4 1/2 years old. He also has Cystic Fibrosis 
(CF), and an enzyme deficiency.

He takes a handful of pills every day.Most CF patients never reach 30 
years old.

I love him very much.I'm sure you didn't intend to be hurtful, but I 
only ask that you be a tad more considerate towards other's who may have 
family members, etc. who have these disabilities.  mike



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Jan 30 04:46:36 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:46:36 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Eric Schulz
Message-ID: <003201c506c9$c0ef0450$68cd3dca@ogborneuah38i3>

John ..............try this it may still work .......    Eric Schulz
E-mail Address(es):
  schulzs at netconnect.com.au


Peter Ogborne 
Little Grove ,Albany 
West Australia 
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Jan 30 04:48:52 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:48:52 +0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
References: <01c501c50626$cf653ed0$230110ac@PAUL><6.1.0.6.0.20050129132845.01a5b030@mail.pennswoods.net><020101c50634$098a6ce0$230110ac@PAUL>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050129173810.10e19680@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <003e01c506ca$134a6410$68cd3dca@ogborneuah38i3>

Dave ..........thanks for not letting us down . These rubber questions can 
be quite interesting !
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands


> Hi Paul,
>         You know, when this thread first started I didn't notice the word 
> "Bands" in the subject and thought you must just be bragging. Then, upon 
> thinking about it, I figured that Dolly could incorporate it into her GEM 
> piece this month along with the e-bay sale of The Climax and GEM's 
> circulation would go up. However, now I'm just glad that it's working out 
> for you!
>         Dave
> PS, Perhaps I missed it, but what do you intend to use these rubber bands 
> for?
>
> At 01:54 PM 1/29/2005, you wrote:
>>Thanks Rich for the lead, I have a sister-in-law who works at the local 
>>Medical Center, I will ask her to check this out for me.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" 
>><nancydick at pennswoods.net>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 3:31 PM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
>>
>>
>>>Paul i get bands at the local er in the hospital. You need to over lap 
>>>them and a spot of super glue make the length you want. they are the ones 
>>>they use on your arm when drawing blood.
>>>R Fink
>>>PA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>At 09:20 AM 1/29/2005, you wrote:
>>>>Does anyone know where I can buy some large wide rubber bands, 
>>>>approximately 3/4" wide by 8" long, maybe 10" long?
>>>>
>>>>Paul
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>SEL mailing list
>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From shop at cccomm.net  Sun Jan 30 06:36:00 2005
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:36:00 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Webster Holder
References: <20050129.141731.1000.7.jlb94@juno.com><BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl><6.1.2.0.0.20050129174816.10dbd1b0@mail.alltel.net><018401c50656$277acac0$6401a8c0@Shop>
	<1107042482.41fc20b231eac@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <01fc01c506d9$0503eb60$6401a8c0@Shop>

Yea, I have one I bought from Ed at Hit & Miss. The metal is so soft that 
the end is worn to the point it will only trip the mag about 25 degrees or 
so. I've been threatening to make one of those too.
Pogonip is back this morning........
Dave



> Hi Dave,
>
> Pretty fancy rig!!  Are you aware of the Webster tripping handles that go 
> over
> the right hand pin on the front of the mag?  Makes testing (if you'll 
> pardon
> the unintended pun) a snap.  With one of those you don't even need a vice, 
> just
> hold the mag/ignitor on the bench with one hand, and trip it with the 
> other.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> Quoting Dave Ernst <shop at cccomm.net>:
>
>> It's been very damp, cold and foggy here so I cranked up the heat in the
>> shop and built something I've been meaning to do for a long time. I have
>> several engines that run with Webster magnetos and every time I have to 
>> work
>> on one I end up clamping it in the vise to hold it while trying to trip 
>> the
>> mechanism to check spark, and invariably the thing comes loose and falls
>> out. So with the cold nasty fog outside I built a bracket to hold them. I
>> used an old igniter from a Alamo engine, a piece of  4 X 4 angle and 
>> mounted
>> the igniter to the angle. Made a handle and a couple of slides for the 
>> push
>> rod, mounted the trip finger and I was done. Works great, makes me wonder
>> why I didn't do this years ago. I guess when we get older we eventually 
>> get
>> wiser.........
>> A couple of pictures of this contraption at
>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31617116&f=
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jan 30 07:01:16 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:01:16 EST
Subject: [SEL] Beiler's sale bill
Message-ID: <1e1.34b4b9b8.2f2e50bc@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/29/2005 9:19:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
wmrohrer at myactv.net writes:

<< I will again this year be glad to sent a copy of their up coming sale 
bill. >>

Mike,

I will take one.  Hope all is well with you.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jan 30 07:13:15 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:13:15 EST
Subject: [SEL] Webster Holder
Message-ID: <1ac.30ce0468.2f2e538b@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/29/2005 6:23:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
shop at cccomm.net writes:

<<  So with the cold nasty fog outside I built a bracket to hold them. I
 used an old igniter from a Alamo engine, a piece of  4 X 4 angle and mounted
 the igniter to the angle >>


Dave,

Nice job on the Webster testing holder.  I think I have an old ignitor 
somewhere that I can rebuild and do the same thing.

Thanks,

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From cjclem at sysim.net  Sun Jan 30 07:24:02 2005
From: cjclem at sysim.net (John Clemens)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:24:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Eric Schulz
In-Reply-To: <003201c506c9$c0ef0450$68cd3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <003201c506c9$c0ef0450$68cd3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <1107098642.41fcfc12864a4@webmail.sysim.net>

I will try it, thank you.  Was that you that was at Portland, IN that I 
showed the book to??  Did you view the pic's I posted on webshots of 
magazine article??  Sure hope someone in your country can at least get 
to see the engine & get pics or obtain engine for show circuit. It 
would be a rare one, made by same company that made Brock's vertical 
White, this one is in 1909 catalog his earlier. Keep in touch, thank 
you. John in cold Minnesota,USAQuoting peter ogborne 
<jopeter at omninet.net.au>:

> John ..............try this it may still work .......    Eric Schulz
> E-mail Address(es):
>   schulzs at netconnect.com.au
> 
> 
> Peter Ogborne 
> Little Grove ,Albany 
> West Australia 
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
> 
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Jan 30 08:47:20 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:47:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT gear making in brief
References: <20050129142919.66773.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV31B4506F5BF3A8ADD38771BB7B0@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the advise gang.  I have quite a few options now.

On another note, check this baby out.  This I believe was originally peddled 
or treadled.  "Didn't make any mistakes with that one, I'll bet."


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3778985788&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

and another pix.

http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/page7.html

sic 'em
Rick




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Allen" <linstrum55 at yahoo.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Richard Allen" <linstrum55 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 7:29 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT gear making in brief


> Making gears, brief summary
>
> Gear tooth geometry for the most part is a nightmare from the
> perspective of a mathematician, but a piece of cake for a machinist. I
> have my feet planted in both fields and have looked at gear tooth
> design from both perspectives. From a real-world practical standpoint I
> could care less about the actual mathematics of a gear tooth shape
> because knowing the math of its shape is not necessary for generating
> that shape, just as I don't have to have any knowledge of parabolic
> curve equations to be able to throw a rock!
>
> The way that the commonly used involute gear tooth shape is generated
> is done quite simply by the interaction of two mating parts rotating in
> the way in which they are to be used. The result is that the correct
> and exact curved surfaces on the gear teeth are formed naturally. It is
> nowhere near as simple for a mathematician to figure this out and then
> draw a picture, and in their words, the machinist's method is "elegant"
> compared to theirs. The name of the shape is "involute", but unlike the
> parabolic curve or the circle where there is only one such shape for
> each of those (and consequently makes them unique), the involute curve
> is actually a whole series of curves that gradually transition in
> one-tooth increments from the truly straight-sided triangular teeth
> (with the tips cut off) of the flat rack gear to the theoretical
> minimum two-toothed pinion gear whose pair of opposed teeth have highly
> curved contact surfaces that engage the teeth of a flat gear rack. The
> flat gear rack can be thought of as a gear with lots of teeth and a
> huge diameter, and in fact on gears with a very great number of teeth,
> the teeth are very nearly the same shape as the triangular rack gear
> teeth. By the way, one-tooth gears exist and are quite common, they are
> called single-helix worms and they run on a worm gear, but that is
> cheating because the profile of the worm tooth is the same as a flat
> gear rack tooth! A single helix worm is considered a one-tooth gear
> because its mating gear advances one tooth per revolution of the worm.
> Worms can have more than one helix, though, just like a threaded rod
> can have more than one helix cut on it (multiple helix threaded parts
> are most commonly used for the screw lids on jars where the engagement
> has to be great but the number of turns to unscrew it needs to be few
> to save motion).
>
> Gear teeth can be any form you want as long as it is physically
> possible for them to mesh. A common everyday non-involute example we
> all know is where the teeth are roughly pyramidal on one of the gear
> wheels and circular humps on its mating part, which in practice is the
> ordinary bicycle sprocket gear and roller chain. The roller chain is
> just a long flexible gear and when made into a perfect circle it still
> works just fine with its sprocket gear, it fits equally well both
> inside and outside! Another non-involute form is the so-called silent
> chain used for the timing gear train of engines and also for the
> transfer-case gearing in a lot of four-wheel-drive vehicles. The silent
> chain tooth shape and method of construction are extremely simple, as
> well as rather amazing and efficient in operation, and I think highly
> underutilized.
>
> Involute gears are made by several methods, but the only one that does
> not involve specially shaped cutters is by shave-cutting the teeth
> using a cutting tool that is a flat gear rack in profile (gear rack, as
> in the rack-and-pinion gearing used for a lot of steering mechanisms).
> This is highly desirable because the involute curve of a tooth is
> different for different numbers of teeth. A cutter with the profile for
> a ten-tooth gear is useless for cutting a gear with eleven teeth
> because the teeth are different shapes. The only time a specific tooth
> profile cutter becomes practical for gears with different number of
> teeth is when the number of teeth on a gear becomes very large, which
> is when tooth shape begins to approach the flat-sided pyramid shape of
> the flat gear rack. For gears with large numbers of teeth a cutter can
> be used for a specific range of teeth, one size cutter say for gears
> with 24 and 25 teeth,  another for 26, 27, and 28 teeth, another for
> 29, 30, 31, and 32 teeth, etc., the range increasing as the number of
> teeth gets larger. For shave cutting with a gear rack-shaped cutter,
> the round gear blank is first "gashed", which is where the blank is
> indexed for the number of teeth it will have by removing most of the
> metal between the teeth by sawing or milling. Next, with the gear blank
> laying on its side while the gashed slots are rotated in perfect time
> with the rack-shaped cutter teeth, the gashed blank is fed under the
> rack-shaped cutter, which is also laying on its side. When the
> rack-shaped cutter moves down, its teeth mesh at full depth into the
> slots gashed into the blank, and the excess metal between the blank
> teeth is shaved off by the sharpened side of the rack. The rack is
> moved the same way you would drag a comb down the side of a round
> biscuit of soft clay so its teeth scrape grooves into it. The gashed
> blank is fed in another tiny increment while also being rotated in
> time, and then the rack-shaped cutter moves down again, taking off
> another small shaving. After the gashed blank has been fed one complete
> revolution in time with the rack-shaped cutter, while also having
> dozens or even hundreds of downward strokes performed to shave off
> unwanted material, it now has its teeth properly formed with the
> involute curve. There were no special levers, arms, linkages, cams, or
> any other mind-boggling Rube Goldberg contraptions used. The gear
> rack-shaped cutter will cut every and all number of gear teeth on any
> size gear using that size and shape of tooth profile. All that is
> needed for generating the involute curve are a rack-shaped cutter,
> which is extraordinarily simple to make, and a method for timing the
> rotation between the gashed biscuit blank and the cutter. Another gear
> cutting method based on the rack is gear hobbing using a cutting tool
> called a hob. The hob is a round cutter with gear rack-shaped teeth
> that cuts by being rotated instead of being moved linearly and is the
> same basic design shape as a thread-cutting tap. A hob that is
> positioned correctly with an accurately-gashed gear blank is
> self-timing in very thin gears and automatically rotates the gear blank
> as it is fed in from the side, the angled teeth grabbing and rotating
> the work piece as it turns. The flat gear rack teeth can have any
> amount of truncation and angle of triangle you want, within reason set
> by the physical limitations of the parts that mesh with it. Half of the
> angle between the legs of the triangular rack teeth is one definition
> of the gear tooth pressure angle, and the angle most commonly used for
> gears with large numbers of teeth is 14.5 degrees. Gears with few teeth
> use 20? or 25? to avoid thin tooth roots from gear tooth tip motion
> that requires clearance that "undercuts" into the root of the gear
> tooth. The 14.5? angle was very specifically chosen because the sine of
> 14.5 degrees is extremely close to 0.25 (0.25038 to be exact), making
> the measurement calculations for machining the gear rack very easy (in
> fact, the 14.5? gear tooth pressure angle is in reality 14.478? because
> the actual sine value used is 0.25000, not 0.25038, but in the real
> world that value in its application is so close to 14.5? that there is
> no meaningful difference between the two angles). A pressure angle of
> 20? is also very common in gears with a large number of teeth,
> especially in German machinery, or for gears made from very soft
> materials. As the pressure angle is increased the force pushing the
> gears apart increases, so if the squat blunt teeth of a shallow
> pressure angle are used, then a great deal of force is generated
> pushing the gears apart and it unnecessarily tears up the bearings
> supporting the gears. A pressure angle of 30? is occasionally found,
> and it is the result of the gears being hobbed using an ordinary
> threading tap! The thread tap-hobbed 30? pressure-angle teeth are very
> blunt and come to sharp points, which are only good for light torque
> loads.
>
> Sprocket gears used with roller chains are another example where the
> shape of one of the parts is used to generate the other. Sprockets are
> cut by advancing a round cutter into a gear blank that is rotated in
> time with it. The round cutter travels the same path as a roller in the
> roller chain and therefore cuts out the shape of its contact path.
>
> The silent chain used for timing in a lot of engines is an example
> where there are no special curves or oddball calculations needed! The
> geometry of the links eliminates all of that. Another feature that is
> peculiar to silent chain is that the lengthening of pitch from wear is
> self-compensating because as the chain is re-tensioned it climbs
> outward on the gear teeth, where the pitch is greater. Because of this
> they are good where rotational velocity needs to be very uniform,
> making it perfect for running camshafts that have the ignition timing
> attached. They are also good for tank tracks where high speed
> chattering from a mis-matched pitch between the track and drive
> sprocket caused by excessive wear would be a problem.
>
> Hypoid and other gears with compound curved teeth and odd-angle contact
> seem to be a real puzzler about how they are cut, but again the motions
> needed to form the contact paths are generated while being cut by
> timing the cutters with the rotation of the gear blanks.
>
> Standardized gear tooth sizes are determined by making the generator
> flat gear rack with tooth spacings specified by using a formula based
> on pi-inches. One pi-inch is simply 3.14159 inches long. A gear with 20
> teeth per pi-inch has the teeth 0.1571 inches apart, or 1/20 of an inch
> multiplied by pi.  A gear with three teeth per pi-inch has them 1.0472
> inches apart. Instead of calling them teeth per pi-inch it is
> abbreviated as a 20-pitch, 9-pitch, or 3-pitch, etc., gear. All gears
> with the same size pitch number will all fit each other. So a gear with
> 127 teeth will fit a 50 tooth gear if they both have the same pitch
> number.
>
> The only special calculations that need to be made for the machining
> operations generated by the natural functions of gear tooth contact
> paths are for making adequate clearance and minimizing backlash. The
> final operation in some gearing is by selecting the gears that fit
> together the best because things like minor differences from one
> cutting tool to the next can amplify differences that make selected fit
> necessary in spite of careful measurement and good machine shop
> practice. That is why straight cut spur gears are a favorite where
> noise is of no concern since their simplicity in both design and
> manufacturing methods produce very precise parts where little or no
> matching needs to be done to ensure a good fit. Helical and hypoid
> gears introduce angles where the set-up measurements are based on their
> tangents, and tiny errors of 1/10,000 inch will introduce
> angle-amplified cutting errors of up to 0.020-inch that are totally
> unavoidable, even by the best equipment and operators. This is where
> custom fitting of parts becomes necessary, and is why automobile
> differentials with hypoid ring and pinion gears must be in custom
> matched sets.
>
> There is still a lot more to gears and their designs, but this covers
> most of the real basics. Simple spur gears can be cut in a home
> workshop on an ordinary lathe with some special attachments.
>
> Rich Allen
>
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sun Jan 30 09:47:15 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:47:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT gear making in brief
References: <20050129142919.66773.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com>
	<BAY3-DAV31B4506F5BF3A8ADD38771BB7B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000501c506f3$bcd54440$3e636854@Sixmjohn>


Hi Rick,
I have this machine, it's possible to make gears with it.
One of these days I want to give it a try to make one,
I think it will be a magneto gear for an Am.Bosch FX-1
mag that I have and want to mount on one of my M's.
It's a century ago when I did it at tech school, but it's
as all the machine work, I have to search in my personal
HD how I learned and did it, you know brains...brians.
You better could ask me the name of my first girl I snapped :o))

http://www.lathes.co.uk/meyerburger/index.html

Take care,
                   John H.










From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Sun Jan 30 10:06:22 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:06:22 EST
Subject: [SEL] A More Direct link to the Steamer w/Pics...to remove oldglue
Message-ID: <81.203707d2.2f2e7c1e@aol.com>

Hi Chuck,
Thanks, that is a very kind offer,  but I'll hang onto the Gretsch for a 
while longer.  
Ron
In a message dated 1/29/2005 4:59:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
kerogas at sbcglobal.net writes:
Serf's up Ron !!!
Somebody just dumped a 1 1/2 Challenge  in the back of my truck . Whataya
know bout that
I was supposed to go out to the junk yard and find that thing a week ago .
Completely stuck with a promising gap around the piston . plug conversion -
mag/ign. gone ,
wanna trade for the Gretsch ?

Chuck


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Jan 30 11:12:14 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:12:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT gear making in brief
References: <20050129142919.66773.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com><BAY3-DAV31B4506F5BF3A8ADD38771BB7B0@phx.gbl>
	<000501c506f3$bcd54440$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV2512F7F7D3A0B23DD5F908BB7B0@phx.gbl>

That is very definite versatile too.  Kind of a metal worker's shopsmith.

Good one John!!

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
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Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT gear making in brief


> 
> Hi Rick,
> I have this machine, it's possible to make gears with it.
> One of these days I want to give it a try to make one,
> I think it will be a magneto gear for an Am.Bosch FX-1
> mag that I have and want to mount on one of my M's.
> It's a century ago when I did it at tech school, but it's
> as all the machine work, I have to search in my personal
> HD how I learned and did it, you know brains...brians.
> You better could ask me the name of my first girl I snapped :o))
> 
> http://www.lathes.co.uk/meyerburger/index.html
> 
> Take care,
>                    John H.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Jan 30 12:16:42 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:16:42 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave)
References: <1107027724.41fbe70ca8470@webmail.city-net.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050129172502.10d45760@mail.alltel.net>
	<41FC8410.40108@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <003e01c50709$c38fabc0$220d1bd3@reg>

None of us are thought readers. Our humor is what it is. If anyone should
get upset by it and read into it what they really know is not there, so be
it. If ya dont like the heat in the kitchen........................!
The list will still be evolving when I am dust. Its that sort of thing. Folk
come and go. Different reasons for all of them. There is no lock on the
door.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "lightningrod" <guitronics at comcast.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave)


> Michael P. Koryciak Writes:
>                        I'm sure you guys meant no offense....and the
> gist of the joke is kinda funny.
>
> You gotta understand that there are people who read this list that are
> soft-hearted towards those of us born with disabilities.
>
> I'm not demanding anything, nor do I believe in "Politically-Correct"
> speech.
>
> I have a 19-year old stepson who is retarded, sometimes called "Mentally
> Impaired".(PC!).
>
> He's stuck at between 3 and 4 1/2 years old. He also has Cystic Fibrosis
> (CF), and an enzyme deficiency.
>
> He takes a handful of pills every day.Most CF patients never reach 30
> years old.
>
> I love him very much.I'm sure you didn't intend to be hurtful, but I
> only ask that you be a tad more considerate towards other's who may have
> family members, etc. who have these disabilities.  mike
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 30 12:58:50 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:58:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave)
In-Reply-To: <41FC8410.40108@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20050130205851.35887.qmail@web61302.mail.yahoo.com>

Amen, Mike.

My "Mildly Mentally Retarded" brother-in-law lives with us and has been living with us for the
last 11 years because of the way they talked to him at the last group home he was in.  One
comment,,,,,,"Get back in your room you retard!" overheard when the gal didn't know my wife and I
were in the house was all I needed to hear.  I told her it was three days to the end of the month
and by then I would have a room cleaned out and furnished for Jim.  It was a scramble, but I made
it. 11 years later I wouldn't think of ever letting him go back into a place like that.  He also
has Epilepsy and was having too many large seizures there.  I did some reading about managment and
it has been years now since he has had one.  Just two during the first couple years he was here.
Jim is 46 but at about the 4-6 year old level.

Alan Bowen



--- lightningrod <guitronics at comcast.net> wrote:

> Michael P. Koryciak Writes:
>                        I'm sure you guys meant no offense....and the 
> gist of the joke is kinda funny.
> 
> You gotta understand that there are people who read this list that are 
> soft-hearted towards those of us born with disabilities.
> 
> I'm not demanding anything, nor do I believe in "Politically-Correct" 
> speech.
> 
> I have a 19-year old stepson who is retarded, sometimes called "Mentally 
> Impaired".(PC!).
> 
> He's stuck at between 3 and 4 1/2 years old. He also has Cystic Fibrosis 
> (CF), and an enzyme deficiency.
> 
> He takes a handful of pills every day.Most CF patients never reach 30 
> years old.
> 
> I love him very much.I'm sure you didn't intend to be hurtful, but I 
> only ask that you be a tad more considerate towards other's who may have 
> family members, etc. who have these disabilities.  
mike



		
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jan 30 14:13:04 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:13:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: The Hammond's Singing Again! 
Message-ID: <a83635553f4bed34de280f390f6482b1@chartertn.net>

I got the Hammond M3 in The Loyal Bereans' classroom singing today. 
I've been working on it a bit off and on for 3 weeks or so, where it 
is. Didn't take as much work as I thought, so it's going to stay there 
where everyone can enjoy it. I'll hunt for another. Basically all it 
took was getting the unused tone generator turning by oiling it and 
helping it turn over by hand at first (the starter clutch is still 
sticky, but it'll start itself after a few tries), testing all the 
tubes and replacing 4 of them. The 5U4 rectifier was just about dead. 
Don't know what B+ voltage the rest of the tubes were running on, but 
it had to be really low. The funky noises in the vibrato channel were 
from a 6C4 with a flickering short in it. The pitifully low volume 
(even after getting the power supply working, which boosted it about 20 
dB) was from the 12AX7 that's the last 2 audio amp stages before the 
phase inverter for the output stage having been replaced with a 12AU7A. 
Way too low gain. Sure sounds sweet now, and with plenty of volume! I 
called the music director, so hopefully he'll be playing it for 
tonight's service that's held in that Sunday school room.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 30 15:56:21 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:56:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Latest Charlie Bryant Update!!
Message-ID: <00ee01c50727$4e37dcd0$230110ac@PAUL>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard R Allen" <gramps16 at juno.com>
To: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 3:47 PM
Subject: Sunday at 4:30PM


> Greetings from Maine again,
> Just talked  briefly with your friend, Charlie, as his granddaughter was
> there. The procedure of removal of the pacemaker leads is scheduled for
> 2PM tomorrow afternoon. Please pray they are not entangled and will be
> taken care of easily by the laser. If all goes well he will return to the
> present room . Will keep you posted.
> Sister, Lois
>



From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Sun Jan 30 16:19:54 2005
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:19:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: The Hammond's Singing Again!
References: <a83635553f4bed34de280f390f6482b1@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c5072a$96f3ad20$e3f7a518@SkipBetty>

What are the power out put tubes in this thing? Are they 6L6s or even 6V6s. 
Also, where do you get replacements?
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 5:13 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT: The Hammond's Singing Again!


>I got the Hammond M3 in The Loyal Bereans' classroom singing today. I've 
>been working on it a bit off and on for 3 weeks or so, where it is. Didn't 
>take as much work as I thought, so it's going to stay there where everyone 
>can enjoy it. I'll hunt for another. Basically all it took was getting the 
>unused tone generator turning by oiling it and helping it turn over by hand 
>at first (the starter clutch is still sticky, but it'll start itself after 
>a few tries), testing all the tubes and replacing 4 of them. The 5U4 
>rectifier was just about dead. Don't know what B+ voltage the rest of the 
>tubes were running on, but it had to be really low. The funky noises in the 
>vibrato channel were from a 6C4 with a flickering short in it. The 
>pitifully low volume (even after getting the power supply working, which 
>boosted it about 20 dB) was from the 12AX7 that's the last 2 audio amp 
>stages before the phase inverter for the output stage having been replaced 
>with a 12AU7A. Way too low gain. Sure sounds sweet now, and with plenty of 
>volume! I called the music director, so hopefully he'll be playing it for 
>tonight's service that's held in that Sunday school room.
>
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
>
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jan 30 16:59:42 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:59:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: The Hammond's Singing Again!
In-Reply-To: <000d01c5072a$96f3ad20$e3f7a518@SkipBetty>
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	<000d01c5072a$96f3ad20$e3f7a518@SkipBetty>
Message-ID: <79abe553a5a93147d239c72043c35d9d@chartertn.net>

They're 6V6GTs. The old ones in it are still good. I found a couple of 
used ones in my tube stash, one of which is low on emission to the 
questionable point, but didn't have to use them in this case. There are 
new Russian made 6V6s available, most of which have a reputation for 
not surviving long in Fender guitar amps (which run them at a higher 
plate and screen voltage than they were spec'd for.) I've read on the 
Web that the Hammond M3's transformers are overbuilt enough to safely 
use 6L6s in it. Looked at the tube charts and figured with the M3's 
fixed bias using 6L6s it would move from being a Class AB1 amp to a 
Class A with nearly
2?1/2 times the plate current (= waste heat) and only a few watts more 
output power, but it'd still be in a safe plate dissipation range for 
the 6L6s. An interesting thought is that this organ uses an 
old-fashioned field coil speaker, with the field coil serving as an 
input choke on the power supply. The boosted tube current draw would 
increase the magnetizing force on the speaker field and might increase 
the speaker's sensitivity. All in all, though, I think it best to stick 
with original spec parts in vintage gear.

For guitar amps, ElectroHarmonix has sold Russian 6L6s labeled as 
"6V6EH" for use in 6V6 amps!

The 6Y6 and 6W6 series tubes can substitute for 6V6s in some cases. 
Wouldn't try it in the high-voltage guitar amps, as they're rated for 
lower voltages than the 6V6. With a fixed bias, I'd have to study the 
tube plate characteristic charts a while before trying a swap.

John

On Jan 30, 2005, at 7:19 PM, Skip Cleveland wrote:

> What are the power out put tubes in this thing? Are they 6L6s or even 
> 6V6s. Also, where do you get replacements?
> Skip


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Jan 30 09:47:41 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:47:41 -0700
Subject: Fw: [SEL] wooden toys OT and other gobly gook
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV2414CF1C4A9EF60807DF8BBB7B0@phx.gbl>




> Has anyone ever started a Gal on the "back kick" or some call it 
> compression?  And talk about $hit house luck,  I bought a camgear from Joe 
> Kelley hoping it would fit the 3hp Galloway.  After blasting which really 
> brought out the p/n "XK-14 or just 4, I went and looked at the 3hp.  All 
> the p/n's start with XK...this is a very good omen!!!  Got any more XK 
> parts, Joe?
>
> later,
> Rick,,,,, who's birthday is over and now headed for the "cleaning toilets" 
> chore.  Don't ever retire!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
> To: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] wooden toys OT
>
>
> > You're welcome.
> >
> > I've been putting those old tubes you sent me to work. :-)
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Jan 30, 2005, at 12:04 PM, Richard Strobel wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks  Doc!!
> > >
> > > Rick
> >
> >
> > John Culp
> > Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> >
> > 


From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Jan 30 17:51:26 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:51:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Vacuum Tubes (Valves) Source
Message-ID: <41FD8F1E.6040409@comcast.net>

Mike P Koryciak here.
          Try this link:    http://www.newsensor.com  .  Tubes from all 
over the world.


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jan 30 19:17:14 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:17:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Vacuum Tubes (Valves) Source
In-Reply-To: <41FD8F1E.6040409@comcast.net>
References: <41FD8F1E.6040409@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2571271617f1d77251968b5daa59175c@chartertn.net>

I see they're still selling those 6V6 EH, which are really 6L6s. :-)

(That's a pretty pricey place to buy 'em, but they've got a wide 
selection.)

John

On Jan 30, 2005, at 8:51 PM, lightningrod wrote:

> Mike P Koryciak here.
>          Try this link:    http://www.newsensor.com  .  Tubes from all 
> over the world.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From ozengine at yahoo.com.au  Sun Jan 30 19:23:00 2005
From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:23:00 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] re: Gear making in brief - a question
Message-ID: <20050131032300.95395.qmail@web41123.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Rich and Tommy

N-i-c-e practical info on gears mates. I's even saved
me a copy.

Got one question that no one seems to be able to
answer for me. I would like to have a go at cutting a
cam gear for my Novo 4. Needed is a 56 tooth gear, 10
pitch and 14.5 PA I'd assume. I have a involute gear
cutter here that cuts the 54-55 tooth range (or
whatever is the standard teeth count for the numbered
cutter). So the question is...can I use this cutter
indexed correctly to do the 56 teeth? I mean, how much
"out" would it be? My understanding is that the
cutters are only exact for one teeth count and all
others in the range are close approximations.

Thanks much

Graham in Oz




Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
http://au.movies.yahoo.com


From f86sabre at kcweb.net  Sun Jan 30 21:49:32 2005
From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:49:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] re: Gear making in brief - a question
References: <20050131032300.95395.qmail@web41123.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c50758$a5ea2830$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>

I would say have a go at it.  It has been my observation that if the teeth 
mesh, when one turns, the other definitely will also.  For the use to which 
it will be put, I doubt that it will make any difference.  You might have to 
make some allowances here and there, but so what?  If it doesn't last too 
long, you still have the cutter, and can make another, trying something else 
to correct where it failed.  Carpe diem!
Dan Bousman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graham Harris" <ozengine at yahoo.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 9:23 PM
Subject: [SEL] re: Gear making in brief - a question


> Hi Rich and Tommy
>
> N-i-c-e practical info on gears mates. I's even saved
> me a copy.
>
> Got one question that no one seems to be able to
> answer for me. I would like to have a go at cutting a
> cam gear for my Novo 4. Needed is a 56 tooth gear, 10
> pitch and 14.5 PA I'd assume. I have a involute gear
> cutter here that cuts the 54-55 tooth range (or
> whatever is the standard teeth count for the numbered
> cutter). So the question is...can I use this cutter
> indexed correctly to do the 56 teeth? I mean, how much
> "out" would it be? My understanding is that the
> cutters are only exact for one teeth count and all
> others in the range are close approximations.
>
> Thanks much
>
> Graham in Oz
>
>
>
>
> Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
> http://au.movies.yahoo.com
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> 




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jan 31 01:03:08 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:03:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] re: Gear making in brief - a question
References: <20050131032300.95395.qmail@web41123.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005201c50774$b845a560$ae0d1bd3@reg>

It wont worry you! It will work as close as ever you will need.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graham Harris" <ozengine at yahoo.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 2:23 PM
Subject: [SEL] re: Gear making in brief - a question


> Hi Rich and Tommy
> 
> N-i-c-e practical info on gears mates. I's even saved
> me a copy.
> 
> Got one question that no one seems to be able to
> answer for me. I would like to have a go at cutting a
> cam gear for my Novo 4. Needed is a 56 tooth gear, 10
> pitch and 14.5 PA I'd assume. I have a involute gear
> cutter here that cuts the 54-55 tooth range (or
> whatever is the standard teeth count for the numbered
> cutter). So the question is...can I use this cutter
> indexed correctly to do the 56 teeth? I mean, how much
> "out" would it be? My understanding is that the
> cutters are only exact for one teeth count and all
> others in the range are close approximations.
> 
> Thanks much
> 
> Graham in Oz
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
> http://au.movies.yahoo.com
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From froberts at dodo.com.au  Sun Jan 30 14:56:13 2005
From: froberts at dodo.com.au (Fred Roberts)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:56:13 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A penny for your thoughts
References: <1107027724.41fbe70ca8470@webmail.city-net.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050129172502.10d45760@mail.alltel.net><41FC8410.40108@comcast.net>
	<003e01c50709$c38fabc0$220d1bd3@reg>
Message-ID: <008d01c5071e$e934eba0$5e84dccb@froberts>

Reg
You are sure on the right track when you admit your humor is what it is,
warped I would think is a fair description,and if you were given a penny for
your thoughts you would receive some change.
Regards.
Fred


----- Original Message -----
From: "Reg Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave)


> None of us are thought readers. Our humor is what it is. If anyone should
> get upset by it and read into it what they really know is not there, so be
> it. If ya dont like the heat in the kitchen........................!
> The list will still be evolving when I am dust. Its that sort of thing.
Folk
> come and go. Different reasons for all of them. There is no lock on the
> door.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>



From guitronics at comcast.net  Mon Jan 31 03:50:05 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 06:50:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Vacuum Tubes (Valves) Source
In-Reply-To: <2571271617f1d77251968b5daa59175c@chartertn.net>
References: <41FD8F1E.6040409@comcast.net>
	<2571271617f1d77251968b5daa59175c@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <41FE1B6D.5000206@comcast.net>

6V6/6L6

John :They aren't the same tube! They are not interchangeable. Tubes ARE 
pricey, these days.
They never quit making them in europe....except England and 
Germany.Nothin' sounds like tubes!




From asouth at strato.net  Mon Jan 31 05:44:53 2005
From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:44:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: The Hammond's Singing Again! 
References: <a83635553f4bed34de280f390f6482b1@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <01ab01c5079b$0bab53f0$9300a8c0@Arthur>

John, you never cease to amaze me. Must be a good feeling to bring a piece
of musical equipment back to life. You are truly a man of many talents.
Continued good luck to ya.

Arthur




Arthur Southwell
Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A.
asouth at strato.net


http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 5:13 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT: The Hammond's Singing Again!


>




From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jan 31 06:02:09 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:02:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Webster Holder
In-Reply-To: <01fc01c506d9$0503eb60$6401a8c0@Shop>
References: <20050129.141731.1000.7.jlb94@juno.com><BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl><6.1.2.0.0.20050129174816.10dbd1b0@mail.alltel.net><018401c50656$277acac0$6401a8c0@Shop>	<1107042482.41fc20b231eac@webmail.city-net.com>
	<01fc01c506d9$0503eb60$6401a8c0@Shop>
Message-ID: <41FE3A61.90404@imc-group.com>

Webster mag experts,
Dave mentions the mag tool as "only tripping the mag about 25 degrees or 
so" as being insufficient to get a spark.
Sooo, how many degrees should a mag be turned to assure a good fat spark?

Regarding the tool being soft on the end, I've been tempted to add a 
little heat treatment to the end to make them last a good bit longer.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Dave Ernst wrote:

> Yea, I have one I bought from Ed at Hit & Miss. The metal is so soft 
> that the end is worn to the point it will only trip the mag about 25 
> degrees or so. I've been threatening to make one of those too.
> Pogonip is back this morning........
> Dave
>
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Pretty fancy rig!!  Are you aware of the Webster tripping handles 
>> that go over
>> the right hand pin on the front of the mag?  Makes testing (if you'll 
>> pardon
>> the unintended pun) a snap.  With one of those you don't even need a 
>> vice, just
>> hold the mag/ignitor on the bench with one hand, and trip it with the 
>> other.
>>



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 31 05:53:18 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:53:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 214mph with lodge plugs 
Message-ID: <015701c5079c$38c73880$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>

http://www.antiquemotorcycle.org/TheMagazine/Stream_6ad.jpg


From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jan 31 06:42:53 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 06:42:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] 214mph with lodge plugs
In-Reply-To: <015701c5079c$38c73880$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
References: <015701c5079c$38c73880$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
Message-ID: <49185.165.206.180.118.1107182573.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

Cool - I collect Lodge spark plugs!

Bill

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>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Jan 31 07:12:59 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:12:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Webster Holder
In-Reply-To: <41FE3A61.90404@imc-group.com>
References: <20050129.141731.1000.7.jlb94@juno.com>
	<BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050129174816.10dbd1b0@mail.alltel.net>
	<018401c50656$277acac0$6401a8c0@Shop>
	<1107042482.41fc20b231eac@webmail.city-net.com>
	<01fc01c506d9$0503eb60$6401a8c0@Shop>
	<41FE3A61.90404@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050131100643.10fcd1e8@mail.alltel.net>


>Regarding the tool being soft on the end, I've been tempted to add a 
>little heat treatment to the end to make them last a good bit longer.
>Curt Holland

Good lord Curt, The things cost about $10.00. I've used mine 100 times (or 
so) and notice no wear. If it lasts another 100 times then it cost me $0.05 
per "trip!"
         Dave
PS, I take for granted that you are referring to the Webster trip lever and 
not that "other" problem that you have! 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jan 31 07:41:26 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:41:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Webster Holder
In-Reply-To: <41FE3A61.90404@imc-group.com>
References: <20050129.141731.1000.7.jlb94@juno.com><BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl><6.1.2.0.0.20050129174816.10dbd1b0@mail.alltel.net><018401c50656$277acac0$6401a8c0@Shop>
	<1107042482.41fc20b231eac@webmail.city-net.com>
	<01fc01c506d9$0503eb60$6401a8c0@Shop>
	<41FE3A61.90404@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501311028420.7106@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Curt & Dave,

I got mine from Bill Lopoulous ages ago.  There is some visible wear to
the paint on the business end, but that's it.  Do you guys realize that
your engines have a trip mechanism for the mag and that you don't need to
trip the mag by hand while the engine is running?  8-))  I can't imagine
how much "mag testing" would be needed to wear the end of a tripping
handle so that it quit doing its job.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Curt wrote:

> Webster mag experts,
> Dave mentions the mag tool as "only tripping the mag about 25 degrees or
> so" as being insufficient to get a spark.
> Sooo, how many degrees should a mag be turned to assure a good fat spark?
>
> Regarding the tool being soft on the end, I've been tempted to add a
> little heat treatment to the end to make them last a good bit longer.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> Dave Ernst wrote:
>
> > Yea, I have one I bought from Ed at Hit & Miss. The metal is so soft
> > that the end is worn to the point it will only trip the mag about 25
> > degrees or so. I've been threatening to make one of those too.
> > Pogonip is back this morning........


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jan 31 07:50:43 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:50:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave)
In-Reply-To: <41FC8410.40108@comcast.net>
References: <1107027724.41fbe70ca8470@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050129172502.10d45760@mail.alltel.net>
	<41FC8410.40108@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501311045500.7106@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Mike,

You are correct.  Buzz coils can be downright hurtful.  Especially when
one's tender parts recoil and impact the hard, sharp parts of the engine.

Perhaps the gentle tickle of a low tension coil or a Dixie generator would
be less hurtful?

Something to ponder at a minimum...

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, lightningrod wrote:

> Michael P. Koryciak Writes:
> I'm sure you guys meant no offense....and the
> gist of the joke is kinda funny.
>
> You gotta understand that there are people who read this list that are
> soft-hearted towards those of us born with disabilities.
>
> I'm not demanding anything, nor do I believe in "Politically-Correct"
> speech.
>
> I have a 19-year old stepson who is retarded, sometimes called "Mentally
> Impaired".(PC!).
>
> He's stuck at between 3 and 4 1/2 years old. He also has Cystic Fibrosis
> (CF), and an enzyme deficiency.
>
> He takes a handful of pills every day.Most CF patients never reach 30
> years old.
>
> I love him very much.I'm sure you didn't intend to be hurtful, but I
> only ask that you be a tad more considerate towards other's who may have
> family members, etc. who have these disabilities.  mike



From ignitors at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 31 08:02:05 2005
From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:02:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Webster Holder
References: <20050129.141731.1000.7.jlb94@juno.com><BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl><6.1.2.0.0.20050129174816.10dbd1b0@mail.alltel.net><018401c50656$277acac0$6401a8c0@Shop>	<1107042482.41fc20b231eac@webmail.city-net.com><01fc01c506d9$0503eb60$6401a8c0@Shop>
	<41FE3A61.90404@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <003901c507ae$37a7b990$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>

About 40 degrees from horizontal.

Ted Brookover
4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
816-763-3142
ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Webster Holder


> Webster mag experts,
> Dave mentions the mag tool as "only tripping the mag about 25 degrees or 
> so" as being insufficient to get a spark.
> Sooo, how many degrees should a mag be turned to assure a good fat spark?
>
> Regarding the tool being soft on the end, I've been tempted to add a 
> little heat treatment to the end to make them last a good bit longer.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> Dave Ernst wrote:
>
>> Yea, I have one I bought from Ed at Hit & Miss. The metal is so soft that 
>> the end is worn to the point it will only trip the mag about 25 degrees 
>> or so. I've been threatening to make one of those too.
>> Pogonip is back this morning........
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>> Pretty fancy rig!!  Are you aware of the Webster tripping handles that 
>>> go over
>>> the right hand pin on the front of the mag?  Makes testing (if you'll 
>>> pardon
>>> the unintended pun) a snap.  With one of those you don't even need a 
>>> vice, just
>>> hold the mag/ignitor on the bench with one hand, and trip it with the 
>>> other.
>>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 31 08:14:04 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:14:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 214mph with lodge plugs
References: <015701c5079c$38c73880$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
	<49185.165.206.180.118.1107182573.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <018c01c507af$e2903520$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>

> Cool - I collect Lodge spark plugs!

 I was gonna send it direct ,then thought it better to share .



From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jan 31 10:52:49 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:52:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Webster Holder
In-Reply-To: <003901c507ae$37a7b990$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>
References: <20050129.141731.1000.7.jlb94@juno.com><BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl><6.1.2.0.0.20050129174816.10dbd1b0@mail.alltel.net><018401c50656$277acac0$6401a8c0@Shop>	<1107042482.41fc20b231eac@webmail.city-net.com><01fc01c506d9$0503eb60$6401a8c0@Shop>	<41FE3A61.90404@imc-group.com>
	<003901c507ae$37a7b990$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>
Message-ID: <41FE7E81.8050006@imc-group.com>

Thank you Ted.
Curt

Ted Brookover wrote:

> About 40 degrees from horizontal.
>
>
>> Webster mag experts,
>> Dave mentions the mag tool as "only tripping the mag about 25 degrees 
>> or so" as being insufficient to get a spark.
>> Sooo, how many degrees should a mag be turned to assure a good fat 
>> spark?
>>



From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Mon Jan 31 11:36:00 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:36:00 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Re:  Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave)
References: <1107027724.41fbe70ca8470@webmail.city-net.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050129172502.10d45760@mail.alltel.net><41FC8410.40108@comcast.net>
	<003e01c50709$c38fabc0$220d1bd3@reg>
Message-ID: <00ae01c507cc$19cf3560$aaf93e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Has anybody tested a good buzz coil and knows what voltage it puts out?

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA 
jd.kirkes at verizon.net



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Jan 31 17:06:20 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:06:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Vacuum Tubes (Valves) Source
In-Reply-To: <41FE1B6D.5000206@comcast.net>
References: <41FD8F1E.6040409@comcast.net>
	<2571271617f1d77251968b5daa59175c@chartertn.net>
	<41FE1B6D.5000206@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <ab3ee6b650fd86b56b3e02cb893c72da@chartertn.net>

I know they're not the same tube, and not supposed to be directly 
interchangeable, but nevertheless they've often been interchanged. I've 
got a modern Electar Tube 10 guitar amp that's clearly designed for a 
6V6, the output stage circuit parameters being identical to the Fender 
Champs that used a 6V6, but they were shipped with 6L6s. Doubtless 
because of the wide availability and lower price of 6L6s on the market 
today. Runs that 6L6 hot as hell. (It's really a Russian 6?3C-e, 
labelled as a "6L6WGC/5881.") It's a terrific sounding little blues 
amp, BTW. After they sold 'em a while as Electars and got 'em debugged, 
they changed the faceplate, put in a slightly bigger Celestion speaker, 
jacked up the price and sell it as an Epiphone Galaxy 10.

Cheapest place I've bought tubes is E.T.O.L.S. in Belgium. Pays to buy 
'em there and pay the shipping if you've got a fair sized order. The 
tubes are mostly the same ones sold here by New Sensor as Sovteks (and 
some of 'em come already marked and packed in Sovtek boxes from the 
manufacturer) but most of 'em are stamped with the "Tronal" brand, 
which is a little different over here. :-)

The online Russian vendors seem a little shady and aren't good about 
answering inquiries.

John

On Jan 31, 2005, at 6:50 AM, lightningrod wrote:

> 6V6/6L6
>
> John :They aren't the same tube! They are not interchangeable. Tubes 
> ARE pricey, these days.
> They never quit making them in europe....except England and 
> Germany.Nothin' sounds like tubes!


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Jan 31 17:20:43 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:20:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 214mph with lodge plugs 
In-Reply-To: <015701c5079c$38c73880$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
References: <015701c5079c$38c73880$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
Message-ID: <af4c9fc447e12c5cd6abae3d4e947005@chartertn.net>

Whoda thunk they could go that fast with PINK spark plugs?

(You need some of them for your Sporty!)

John

On Jan 31, 2005, at 8:53 AM, <kerogas at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> http://www.antiquemotorcycle.org/TheMagazine/Stream_6ad.jpg
> _______________________________________________
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John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From ivancou at usachoice.net  Mon Jan 31 17:36:27 2005
From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:36:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Beilers sale 
References: <1105972093.41ebcb7ddf37b@www.hot1.net>
Message-ID: <000401c507fe$742693a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7>

Almost time again for Beilers Auction in New Holland ,PA  .  If you'd like
to get together and put a face to names then lets meet around noon  on the
barn bridge .  I know Cecil M and Dave & David C will be there along with
Mike R .    Ed, Danny, Lane  ?
    How about dinner at Shady Maple one night ?   Wednesday night ?   Ivan




From rwenig at telus.net  Mon Jan 31 19:20:36 2005
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:20:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] magneto & Coil Tester
In-Reply-To: <00ae01c507cc$19cf3560$aaf93e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
References: <1107027724.41fbe70ca8470@webmail.city-net.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050129172502.10d45760@mail.alltel.net><41FC8410.40108@comcast.net>	<003e01c50709$c38fabc0$220d1bd3@reg>
	<00ae01c507cc$19cf3560$aaf93e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <41FEF584.2000403@telus.net>

Hi Guys,
	Have any of you thought of using a tester such as shown at 
<http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/Temp/Magtester.jpg>? This one is a 
copy of a Briggs and Stratton but I've used other similar types with 
good success in the past for checking magneto and coil output.

Rupert




From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jan 31 19:36:11 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:36:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY..........
In-Reply-To: <015701c5079c$38c73880$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
Message-ID: <200502010336.j113aani067386@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

 
Need word from experts - not "opinions" so I can avoid a pissing match with
someone.

NPT - I've been told national pipe thread.
I'm BEING told, no, it's national pipe taper

I showed a fellow a site by Kohler, the plumbing fixture folks, that states
national pipe thread, he came backwith an engineers toolbox site that says
national pipe taper.

If I'm wrong, I want to know so I can go back and tell him he's
right.........

Bill




From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Mon Jan 31 19:45:14 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:45:14 EST
Subject: [SEL] magneto & Coil Tester
Message-ID: <1e6.340f2e91.2f30554a@aol.com>

Hi Rupert,
That does look good, and I'll bet it makes a nice flash when the spark jumps 
across.  Exactly where do you have the kid hold it?
Regards,
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, VA USA


In a message dated 1/31/2005 10:41:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rwenig at telus.net writes:
Hi Guys,
    Have any of you thought of using a tester such as shown at 
<http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/Temp/Magtester.jpg>? This one is a 
copy of a Briggs and Stratton but I've used other similar types with 
good success in the past for checking magneto and coil output.

Rupert


From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jan 31 19:46:09 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:46:09 -0600
Subject: [SEL] magneto & Coil Tester
In-Reply-To: <41FEF584.2000403@telus.net>
Message-ID: <200502010346.j113kVtX075083@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Geesh, I've owned one of those for about 30+ years, bought it with a complet
engine rebuild and testing kit when I became a B&S service dealer back in
the 70's.
Works quite well.

Bill 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rupert Wenig
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 9:21 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] magneto & Coil Tester

Hi Guys,
	Have any of you thought of using a tester such as shown at
<http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/Temp/Magtester.jpg>? This one is a copy
of a Briggs and Stratton but I've used other similar types with good success
in the past for checking magneto and coil output.

Rupert


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From bobpaton at mersitab.com.au  Mon Jan 31 19:59:59 2005
From: bobpaton at mersitab.com.au (Bob Paton)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:59:59 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY..........
Message-ID: <C2791A795E84124A8C1F4A4AD013BCE21FC073@caelum.mersitab.internal>

Bill
It is National Pipe Thread and it can be formed in parallel or taper.
The same applies to British Standard Pipe (BSP) thread. 

Regards
Bob Paton, Leura in Oz

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dickerson [mailto:bill at antique-engines.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 1 February 2005 2:36 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY..........

 
Need word from experts - not "opinions" so I can avoid a pissing match
with
someone.

NPT - I've been told national pipe thread.
I'm BEING told, no, it's national pipe taper

I showed a fellow a site by Kohler, the plumbing fixture folks, that
states
national pipe thread, he came backwith an engineers toolbox site that
says
national pipe taper.

If I'm wrong, I want to know so I can go back and tell him he's
right.........

Bill


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From rwenig at telus.net  Mon Jan 31 20:07:44 2005
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:07:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] magneto & Coil Tester
In-Reply-To: <1e6.340f2e91.2f30554a@aol.com>
References: <1e6.340f2e91.2f30554a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41FF0090.3080507@telus.net>

Hello,
	I guess you could ask him to hold the clip. But, even the teaser can 
give a good jolt. Don't ask how I know. Yes, the flash is neat.
	The magneto test bench they had at school had a similar device on the 
test board (one for each plug lead). As I recall the only difference was 
the spark gap which had to be set for the particular magneto. The little 
tester should I think be fine for testing output from any coil or 
magneto once the proper gap is determined.

Rupert

MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote:

> Hi Rupert,
> That does look good, and I'll bet it makes a nice flash when the spark jumps 
> across.  Exactly where do you have the kid hold it?
> Regards,
> Ron Carroll
> Nokesville, VA USA
> 
> 
> In a message dated 1/31/2005 10:41:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> rwenig at telus.net writes:
> Hi Guys,
>     Have any of you thought of using a tester such as shown at 
> <http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/Temp/Magtester.jpg>? This one is a 
> copy of a Briggs and Stratton but I've used other similar types with 
> good success in the past for checking magneto and coil output.
> 
> Rupert
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> 



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jan 31 20:20:36 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:20:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY........
In-Reply-To: <200502010336.j113aani067386@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200502010336.j113aani067386@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <41FF0394.3080403@scrtc.com>

Bill,

    I think possibly you're both right.  Read the text below that I 
copied from a site.  I think the "proper" name of NPT is "National Pipe 
Taper Thread"

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


  NPT- National Pipe Taper Threads - ANSI B1.20.1 


    NPT  pipe threads - dimensions according ANSI/ASME B1.20.1

Common American National Standard Pipe Taper Threads 

    * NPT - National Pipe Taper Thread
    * FPT - female (internal) National Pipe Taper threads 
    * MPT - male (external) National Pipe Taper threads 
    * NPTF - Dryseal American National Standard Taper Pipe Thread (ANSI
      B1.20.3)

For NPT threads a sealant compound or Teflon tape must be used for a 
leak-free seal. For NPTF no sealant is needed for a sealing.

Characteristics of NPT (also known as ANSI/ASME B1.20.1 Pipe Threads, 
General Purpose):

    * tapered thread 1o 47'
    * truncation of roots and crests are flat
    * 60o thread angle
    * pitch is measured in threads per inch





Bill Dickerson wrote:

> 
>Need word from experts - not "opinions" so I can avoid a pissing match with
>someone.
>
>NPT - I've been told national pipe thread.
>I'm BEING told, no, it's national pipe taper
>
>I showed a fellow a site by Kohler, the plumbing fixture folks, that states
>national pipe thread, he came backwith an engineers toolbox site that says
>national pipe taper.
>
>If I'm wrong, I want to know so I can go back and tell him he's
>right.........
>
>Bill
>
>
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>
>
>  
>


From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jan 31 20:53:57 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:53:57 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY........
In-Reply-To: <41FF0394.3080403@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <200502010454.j114s3F7020853@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

And most folks have dropped the "taper" because of the length, I suspect.
Ken also sent me some details from the society of mechanical engineers.
The other fellow was more correct and I've told him, but it's also partly
semantics (not to be confused with Symantec!)

Bill 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Turner
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 10:21 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY........

Bill,

    I think possibly you're both right.  Read the text below that I copied
from a site.  I think the "proper" name of NPT is "National Pipe Taper
Thread"

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


  NPT- National Pipe Taper Threads - ANSI B1.20.1 


    NPT  pipe threads - dimensions according ANSI/ASME B1.20.1

Common American National Standard Pipe Taper Threads 

    * NPT - National Pipe Taper Thread
    * FPT - female (internal) National Pipe Taper threads 
    * MPT - male (external) National Pipe Taper threads 
    * NPTF - Dryseal American National Standard Taper Pipe Thread (ANSI
      B1.20.3)

For NPT threads a sealant compound or Teflon tape must be used for a
leak-free seal. For NPTF no sealant is needed for a sealing.

Characteristics of NPT (also known as ANSI/ASME B1.20.1 Pipe Threads,
General Purpose):

    * tapered thread 1o 47'
    * truncation of roots and crests are flat
    * 60o thread angle
    * pitch is measured in threads per inch





Bill Dickerson wrote:

> 
>Need word from experts - not "opinions" so I can avoid a pissing match 
>with someone.
>
>NPT - I've been told national pipe thread.
>I'm BEING told, no, it's national pipe taper
>
>I showed a fellow a site by Kohler, the plumbing fixture folks, that 
>states national pipe thread, he came backwith an engineers toolbox site 
>that says national pipe taper.
>
>If I'm wrong, I want to know so I can go back and tell him he's 
>right.........
>
>Bill
>
>
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>
>  
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From guitronics at comcast.net  Mon Jan 31 21:22:35 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 00:22:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Vacuum Tubes (Valves) Source
In-Reply-To: <ab3ee6b650fd86b56b3e02cb893c72da@chartertn.net>
References: <41FD8F1E.6040409@comcast.net>	<2571271617f1d77251968b5daa59175c@chartertn.net>	<41FE1B6D.5000206@comcast.net>
	<ab3ee6b650fd86b56b3e02cb893c72da@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <41FF121B.2020708@comcast.net>

Mike wrote: John, can you get me the etols website/contact info? Thanks


John Culp wrote:

> I know they're not the same tube, and not supposed to be directly 
> interchangeable, but nevertheless they've often been interchanged. 
> I've got a modern Electar Tube 10 guitar amp that's clearly designed 
> for a 6V6, the output stage circuit parameters being identical to the 
> Fender Champs that used a 6V6, but they were shipped with 6L6s. 
> Doubtless because of the wide availability and lower price of 6L6s on 
> the market today. Runs that 6L6 hot as hell. (It's really a Russian 
> 6?3C-e, labelled as a "6L6WGC/5881.") It's a terrific sounding little 
> blues amp, BTW. After they sold 'em a while as Electars and got 'em 
> debugged, they changed the faceplate, put in a slightly bigger 
> Celestion speaker, jacked up the price and sell it as an Epiphone 
> Galaxy 10.
>
> Cheapest place I've bought tubes is E.T.O.L.S. in Belgium. Pays to buy 
> 'em there and pay the shipping if you've got a fair sized order. The 
> tubes are mostly the same ones sold here by New Sensor as Sovteks (and 
> some of 'em come already marked and packed in Sovtek boxes from the 
> manufacturer) but most of 'em are stamped with the "Tronal" brand, 
> which is a little different over here. :-)
>
> The online Russian vendors seem a little shady and aren't good about 
> answering inquiries.
>
> John
>
> On Jan 31, 2005, at 6:50 AM, lightningrod wrote:
>
>> 6V6/6L6
>>
>> John :They aren't the same tube! They are not interchangeable. Tubes 
>> ARE pricey, these days.
>> They never quit making them in europe....except England and 
>> Germany.Nothin' sounds like tubes!
>
>
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
>
>
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From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Sat Jan  1 01:42:54 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 20:42:54 +1100
Subject: [SEL] New Year
Message-ID: <006901c4efe6$6185ed20$ec3354d2@cam>

Hi I would like to wish all the Listies a Happy New Year and a healthy 2005.
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia




From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 03:36:20 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 03:36:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
In-Reply-To: <000d01c4efa8$d8471da0$9c680b42@gnarmstrong>
Message-ID: <20050101113621.43346.qmail@web14107.mail.yahoo.com>

Yep, they did, and that's what I'm looking for except a small one. Say about half the size of one in a B or H. What I want it for is, I'm building a half scale B . It will use 16" rear tires and is about 5" long. Just half the size of a B. I got a Tacmusha 10 HP in it right now but it would be better if I could find one with the 2 cyl horizontal configuration. I chose the Tacumsha vertical because of the overhead valve design looks somewhat like the John Deere engine. Especially when I get a dummy flywheel and belt pulley on it. The biggest problem I'm running into is trying to get the half size tractor to fit a full size person and still be operational.  As an example, the seat size can't be reduced to half size. and the leg room. My legs and feet will extend out past the engine and flywheel. 
I wonder why John Deere's don't fire evenly. I think they are 90 degrees from eachother which means they fire say at 0 degrees then the other cylinder fires at 90 degrees, then it wouldn't fire again for 630 degrees ??? 360 X 2 = 720 - 90 for the second cylinder = 630 . So it would fire 0 , 90, 630 , 720.  Love the sound of one running at  slow speed.  You just can't duplicate that sound with any other type of engine. 
Enough
Ron 

George & Norma Armstrong <gnarmstrong at netnitco.net> wrote:
Ron,
John Deere made just such an engine for years and they also put them into
a tractor. George
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Frost, Kersey, PA 
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
Date: Friday, December 31, 2004 5:45 PM
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?


>Hi Folks,
>Has anyone ever seen or heard of a engine that has 2 cylinders laying
horizontal and next to each other with a horizontal crank? Something of the
newer, higher speed type. Lets say a Briggs with 2 parallel side by side
cylinders and a horizontal crank? Not apposed and not a vertical shaft. I'd
like to find such an animal to put into a small homemade tractor I'm
building.
>Thanks
>Ron
>
>
>
>Ron Frost
>Kersey, PA
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From prepair at easynet.co.uk  Sat Jan  1 04:03:38 2005
From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 12:03:38 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
In-Reply-To: <20050101113621.43346.qmail@web14107.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <000d01c4efa8$d8471da0$9c680b42@gnarmstrong>
	<20050101113621.43346.qmail@web14107.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <n54dt0d7glnv13qkv9hl3llp0stto44emd@4ax.com>

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 03:36:20 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
>I wonder why John Deere's don't fire evenly. I think they are 90 degrees
 from eachother which means they fire say at 0 degrees then the other
cylinder fires at 90 degrees, then it wouldn't fire again for 630
degrees ??? 360 X 2 = 720 - 90 for the second cylinder = 630 . So it
would fire 0 , 90, 630 , 720.  Love the sound of one running at  slow
speed.  You just can't duplicate that sound with any other type of
engine. 
>Enough
>Ron 

They are almost certainly 180 degrees, same as most Lister twins. You
then get a 'bang, bang, silence, silence' sort of firing which does
sound odd but the balance is better than 360 degree cranks like the
british motorcycles had, the firing pulses were even but the balancing
was awful.

I think the big Fairbanks-Morse up at the Mount Wilson observatory has
360 degree cranks if my memory isn't too bad.

 
Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK
prepair at easynet.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk




From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 04:36:15 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 04:36:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
In-Reply-To: <n54dt0d7glnv13qkv9hl3llp0stto44emd@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <20050101123615.96147.qmail@web14123.mail.yahoo.com>

You would think so. It will be interesting to find out for sure just how they do work. Maybe a John Deere expert will chim in.
Thanks
Ron

Prepair Ltd <prepair at easynet.co.uk> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 03:36:20 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
>I wonder why John Deere's don't fire evenly. I think they are 90 degrees
from eachother which means they fire say at 0 degrees then the other
cylinder fires at 90 degrees, then it wouldn't fire again for 630
degrees ??? 360 X 2 = 720 - 90 for the second cylinder = 630 . So it
would fire 0 , 90, 630 , 720. Love the sound of one running at slow
speed. You just can't duplicate that sound with any other type of
engine. 
>Enough
>Ron 

They are almost certainly 180 degrees, same as most Lister twins. You
then get a 'bang, bang, silence, silence' sort of firing which does
sound odd but the balance is better than 360 degree cranks like the
british motorcycles had, the firing pulses were even but the balancing
was awful.

I think the big Fairbanks-Morse up at the Mount Wilson observatory has
360 degree cranks if my memory isn't too bad.


Peter
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From oldengin at udata.com  Sat Jan  1 06:05:27 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 09:05:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F65D6DD85EB93B4F892DF0C89E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F65D6DD85EB93B4F892DF0C89E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41D6AE27.7020108@udata.com>

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Hi George,
>
> Nope, it's not too early. I've had a few guys already asking if I 
> could cut them some. The main problem for me will be finding wood to 
> use for the shingles.  Would want to make sure it is nail and metal 
> free.  I know that cedar is popular, but finding it could be a 
> problem. Not sure what other types of wood can be used for shingles.
>
Luke, telephone poles make great shingles as they are sometimes cedar 
and then sometimes creosote treated. My brother cuts pole with his mill 
all the time.  Just a thought.

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jan  1 06:11:16 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 09:11:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
In-Reply-To: <n54dt0d7glnv13qkv9hl3llp0stto44emd@4ax.com>
References: <000d01c4efa8$d8471da0$9c680b42@gnarmstrong>	<20050101113621.43346.qmail@web14107.mail.yahoo.com>
	<n54dt0d7glnv13qkv9hl3llp0stto44emd@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <41D6AF84.3090804@scrtc.com>

Hagan built some 2 cylinder engines that were set up both ways.  There 
are 3 of them left, a 20, 30, and 50 HP.  The 30 and 50 are set up so 
that there is always a cylinder coming up on compression.  This would 
make for a smooth running engine.  You would have "bang - exhaust - bang 
- exhaust - bang - exhaust....."  However, the 20 is set up different, 
like the JD tractors.  On it, you have a cylinder firing, then the other 
cylinder firing, then exhaust, then exhaust, then repeat the process.  
So, it would be "bang - bang - exhaust - exhaust - bang - bang - exhaust 
- exhaust......".  Now, here's the big question, the 30 and 50 both have 
a counter balanced crank, the 20 doesn't.  This looks like it would be 
just the opposite of what it should be.  If there is a reasoning for 
this, maybe this is one of the reason's JD did it the way they did, to 
prevent from having to do additional counter weighting of the crank.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>>I wonder why John Deere's don't fire evenly. I think they are 90 degrees
>>    
>>
> from eachother which means they fire say at 0 degrees then the other
>cylinder fires at 90 degrees, then it wouldn't fire again for 630
>degrees ??? 360 X 2 = 720 - 90 for the second cylinder = 630 . So it
>would fire 0 , 90, 630 , 720.  Love the sound of one running at  slow
>speed.  You just can't duplicate that sound with any other type of
>engine. 
>  
>
>>Enough
>>Ron 
>>    
>>
>
>  
>


From oldengin at udata.com  Sat Jan  1 06:12:12 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 09:12:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
In-Reply-To: <20050101123615.96147.qmail@web14123.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050101123615.96147.qmail@web14123.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41D6AFBC.6010108@udata.com>

Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote:

>You would think so. It will be interesting to find out for sure just how they do work. Maybe a John Deere expert will chim in.
>Thanks
>Ron
>
>Prepair Ltd <prepair at easynet.co.uk> wrote:
>On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 03:36:20 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
>  
>
>>I wonder why John Deere's don't fire evenly. I think they are 90 degrees
>>    
>>
>from eachother which means they fire say at 0 degrees then the other
>cylinder fires at 90 degrees, then it wouldn't fire again for 630
>degrees ??? 360 X 2 = 720 - 90 for the second cylinder = 630 . So it
>would fire 0 , 90, 630 , 720. Love the sound of one running at slow
>speed. You just can't duplicate that sound with any other type of
>engine. 
>  
>
>>Enough
>>Ron 
>>    
>>
>
>They are almost certainly 180 degrees, same as most Lister twins. You
>then get a 'bang, bang, silence, silence' sort of firing which does
>sound odd 
>
>  
>
Ron, you could always build the engin you need for your tractor. Sounds 
like it would be an easy and fun little project.   So are the throws 
together or 180 from each other?

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


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From jbcast at charter.net  Sat Jan  1 06:41:34 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 14:41:34 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
Message-ID: <3k77vr$frthi7@mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net>


>  Now, here's the big question, the 30 and 50 both have 
> a counter balanced crank, the 20 doesn't.  This looks like it would be 
> just the opposite of what it should be.  If there is a reasoning for 
> this, maybe this is one of the reason's JD did it the way they did, to 
> prevent from having to do additional counter weighting of the crank.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
The 180 degree cranks are mechanically balanced, but fire unevenly. It's impossible to completly balance an engine with counterweights, you're trying to balance reciprocating motion with a rotary weight, it will always be a compromise. If you put too much weight on the crank it will start to wobble as it goes around. Alluminum pistons did wonders for balance, reducing reciprocating weight. A 180 crank allows one cylinder to offset the other, but you still have an engine that's trying to rock back and forth, as one piston reaches the top and the other the bottom the engine tries to follow it, the opposite happens on the next stroke. 
J.B. Castagnos



From Aermoter at aol.com  Sat Jan  1 08:23:21 2005
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 11:23:21 EST
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
Message-ID: <8b.1dc3fba0.2f082879@aol.com>

If you like the sound of a John Deere then you would really like the sound 
from a large 2 cyl. Rumley, they had 180 cranks in them but much bigger bores.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 08:45:39 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 08:45:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
In-Reply-To: <8b.1dc3fba0.2f082879@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050101164539.93342.qmail@web14103.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes , the Rumley sound is great. I've see a couple running at shows.
Ron

Aermoter at aol.com wrote:
If you like the sound of a John Deere then you would really like the sound 
from a large 2 cyl. Rumley, they had 180 cranks in them but much bigger bores.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com
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From lfevans at pacbell.net  Sat Jan  1 09:44:23 2005
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 09:44:23 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
In-Reply-To: <n54dt0d7glnv13qkv9hl3llp0stto44emd@4ax.com>
References: <000d01c4efa8$d8471da0$9c680b42@gnarmstrong>
	<20050101113621.43346.qmail@web14107.mail.yahoo.com>
	<n54dt0d7glnv13qkv9hl3llp0stto44emd@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050101090150.02844f10@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>


>
>They are almost certainly 180 degrees, same as most Lister twins. You
>then get a 'bang, bang, silence, silence' sort of firing which does
>sound odd but the balance is better than 360 degree cranks like the
>british motorcycles had, the firing pulses were even but the balancing
>was awful.
>
>I think the big Fairbanks-Morse up at the Mount Wilson observatory has
>360 degree cranks if my memory isn't too bad.
>
>
>Peter

Your memory is fine Peter.  The 2 cylinder 50 HP Fairbanks Morse Type RE at 
Mt. Wilson has a 360 degree crankshaft and the cylinders are on opposite 
cycles. As they approach tdc one is on compression and the other is on 
exhaust.  The flywheels are not counterbalanced but the crankshaft is.  The 
engine appears to run very smooth but fact that each flywheel weighs about 
one ton and the engine is solidly bolted to a large concrete pier might 
have something to do with it.

For those that might be new to the list take a look at my web site (URL in 
signature below) to see some pictures of it.

Regards,

Larry Evans
Arcadia, Southern California, USA
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Jan  1 09:59:31 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 09:59:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
In-Reply-To: <41D6AF84.3090804@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <200501011759.j01HxbB1050945@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


>Now, here's the big question,
>the 30 and 50 both have a counter balanced crank, the 20
>doesn't.  This looks like it would be just the opposite of
>what it should be.  If there is a reasoning for this,
>maybe this is one of the reason's JD did it the way they
>did, to prevent from having to do additional counter
>weighting of the crank. 

The 30 and 50 Hagans, as described, would have even power output, but would not
be inherently smoother running engines.  (Titan drivers say this is better in
the slow race, but the proof is in the ribbon)

720 degrees of crankshaft rotation are required in our standard four-cycle
engines.  Divide by 2 cylinders and we have a cylinder firing every 360 degrees.
That will mean that BOTH crankshaft throws will be lined up and the pistons will
be moving up and down at the same time.  That's a LOT of mass flying around, and
even with crankshaft counterweights, there will be vibration.  

Take a look at the early Rumelys.  They had crankshafts that were lined up.  You
hear the evenly spaced exhaust... thump... thump... thump... and see the whole
tractor rocking because of an engine that isn't well balanced.  

In 1917 Rumely changed it's crankshaft throws to 180 degrees apart, like the the
Hagan 20 horse or a John Deere.  The cylinders now fired at 180 degree and 540
degree spacing... thump thump... thump thump... thump thump... 

The result is that they built smoother running engines.  



=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 






From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Sat Jan  1 10:01:42 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 18:01:42 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050101090150.02844f10@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>
References: <000d01c4efa8$d8471da0$9c680b42@gnarmstrong>
	<20050101113621.43346.qmail@web14107.mail.yahoo.com>
	<n54dt0d7glnv13qkv9hl3llp0stto44emd@4ax.com>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20050101090150.02844f10@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <s9pdt0d61kn8e4jq5avm4l5jg5pb0csmlq@4ax.com>

On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 09:44:23 -0800, you wrote:

>
>>
>>They are almost certainly 180 degrees, same as most Lister twins. You
>>then get a 'bang, bang, silence, silence' sort of firing which does
>>sound odd but the balance is better than 360 degree cranks like the
>>british motorcycles had, the firing pulses were even but the balancing
>>was awful.
>>
>>I think the big Fairbanks-Morse up at the Mount Wilson observatory has
>>360 degree cranks if my memory isn't too bad.
>>
>>
>>Peter
>
>Your memory is fine Peter.  The 2 cylinder 50 HP Fairbanks Morse Type RE at 
>Mt. Wilson has a 360 degree crankshaft and the cylinders are on opposite 
>cycles. As they approach tdc one is on compression and the other is on 
>exhaust.  The flywheels are not counterbalanced but the crankshaft is.  The 
>engine appears to run very smooth but fact that each flywheel weighs about 
>one ton and the engine is solidly bolted to a large concrete pier might 
>have something to do with it.
>
>For those that might be new to the list take a look at my web site (URL in 
>signature below) to see some pictures of it.
>
>Regards,
>
>Larry Evans

Thanks for confirming that for me, Larry, there's also some pictures of the
beastie on our website under the Mount Wilson icon on the front page.

Peter




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jan  1 10:32:49 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:32:49 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
Message-ID: <20050101.103250.1316.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Ron.  
I have seen this done before by taking a JD LUC or similar power unit and
laying it on it's side.  The oil pick up has to be moved but it seemed to
work well.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
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On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 03:36:20 -0800 (PST) "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA"
<ron217_2000 at yahoo.com> writes:
> Yep, they did, and that's what I'm looking for except a small one. 
> Say about half the size of one in a B or H. What I want it for is, 
> I'm building a half scale B . It will use 16" rear tires and is 
> about 5" long. Just half the size of a B.


From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 11:26:39 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 11:26:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
In-Reply-To: <20050101.103250.1316.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20050101192639.84875.qmail@web14126.mail.yahoo.com>

Humm, Good idea Ron. I'll think on that one. Thanks
Ron

rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
Hi Ron. 
I have seen this done before by taking a JD LUC or similar power unit and
laying it on it's side. The oil pick up has to be moved but it seemed to
work well.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 03:36:20 -0800 (PST) "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA"
writes:
> Yep, they did, and that's what I'm looking for except a small one. 
> Say about half the size of one in a B or H. What I want it for is, 
> I'm building a half scale B . It will use 16" rear tires and is 
> about 5" long. Just half the size of a B.
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Jan  1 16:36:14 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 19:36:14 EST
Subject: [SEL] IHC LB Engine Operating Observances
Message-ID: <97.55f02335.2f089bfe@aol.com>

Hi,
In getting one of the new IHC LB acquisitions running, I observed several 
unique things about the oiling system on this engine.
    The oil gets to the rear oiling trough through a pipe which has wick 
extended         into the crankcase.  The splashing of the crankcase oil is picked 
up via this             crankcase wick and slowly lets the collected oil drip 
into the rocker arms and         valve stems collection tray located above 
the valve train.  
    The oil collection tray also has a collection felt to absorb the oil 
being supplied     by the collection tube via a metering adjustment.  There are 
two oil distribution     tube extending from this collection tray into the base 
of the valves.  Located             around each of the valve stems is a felt 
retainer assembly.  The oil which                 is absorbed by these valve 
felts is used to lubricate the valve stems.
    There is another hole in the collection tray which matches up to a hole   
                  located on the rocker arm shaft.  Inside of this rocker arm 
shaft is another felt to     hold oil that drips down from the collection 
tray hole.  There are two                         additional oil holes in the 
rocker arm shaft that are aligned with the rocker             arms to lubricate 
the rocker arms.
There doesn't seem to be a method of lubricating the push rod ends other than 
manually.
In trying to unstick the governor throttle plate assembly in the head, the 
throttle valve shaft was broken.  A replacement was fabricated from three pieces 
of brass material (7/32" tube, 3/16 solid rod, and ?" square tube obtained 
from a hobby store) and silver soldered together.  
Any other IHC LB engine restoration or operating tips that others may have 
are appreciated.

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 


From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jan  1 08:39:05 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 11:39:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050101111635.023d8948@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
	Many of you know Charlie Bryant from either the List, or from shows that 
he attends. Due to his move from Missouri
  to Maine Charlie has not been on the List of late.
	I heard from Charlie about a week before X-mas and he was scheduled to go 
into the hospital for heart surgery. However, there was an infection around 
some old pace maker wires that they left in in 1984 when Charlie had his 
ignition system redone. Therefore the decision was to take the wires out 
before the heart surgery. The wires should be taken out at Mass. general in 
Boston sometime next week. Then as soon as that heals (sometime in Feb.) he 
will go back in for the major surgery.
	Charlie tells me that he is feeling fine and doing "light duty" in his 
heated shop in Maine and just waiting for the hospital to call. I'm sure 
that he would like to hear from some of his List friends--He said to say HI 
to all of you. Charlie is at: "Charles R  Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
	Dave



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Sun Jan  2 07:53:23 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 07:53:23 -0800
Subject: [SEL] New Years Day Crank up??
Message-ID: <41D818F3.A201D16C@wightman.ca>

Hi Folks,

Did anyone get out and fire up an engine yesterday? I had the 2 HP
Massey out for a while. Unseasonably warm here
for this time of year.

Dunc

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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Sun Jan  2 07:13:44 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 15:13:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Correct Oiler
Message-ID: <41D80FA7.351D41@insulate.co.uk>

Hi
Can anyone tell me the correct oiler for a 3HP Fairbanks kerosene engine
- size etc.
Thanks!

Jim

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From Aermoter at aol.com  Sun Jan  2 08:03:31 2005
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:03:31 EST
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
Message-ID: <1f1.321a2521.2f097553@aol.com>

I took a 2 cyl 8 hp cushman and laid it down to make a horizontal engine.  
Had to change rotate the bearings for the gov to work right and you will have to 
rework the carb and exhaust but it seems to work fine.  Have a 2 cyl open 
valve train Falcon marine engine that I am thinking of doing something of the 
same with.  Would make a nice waterloo boy tractor engine.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan  2 08:09:05 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:09:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050101111635.023d8948@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <001c01c4f0e5$63d97830$230110ac@PAUL>

Thanks Dave for the update on Charlie, I just fired off an e-mail to him.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Charles R Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:39 AM
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant


> Hi All,
> Many of you know Charlie Bryant from either the List, or from shows that 
> he attends. Due to his move from Missouri
>  to Maine Charlie has not been on the List of late.
> I heard from Charlie about a week before X-mas and he was scheduled to go 
> into the hospital for heart surgery. However, there was an infection 
> around some old pace maker wires that they left in in 1984 when Charlie 
> had his 




From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Jan  2 08:31:35 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:31:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Years Day Crank up??
Message-ID: <20050102.113216.1260.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Duncan,

YEP !!!
 Had our ( me & Sylvia) own little engine show in the driveway.  A few
smudge pots - a Coleman gasoline lantern - a fire going in the fire ring
and the Jaeger running in the
background.

At midnight all wa running and air horns - guns - & sirens going.

HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
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 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  2 08:53:24 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 08:53:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
In-Reply-To: <1f1.321a2521.2f097553@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050102165324.92543.qmail@web14101.mail.yahoo.com>

Tim, Is the Cushman engine you used an opposed cylinder or is it two cylinders side by side?
Ron

Aermoter at aol.com wrote:
I took a 2 cyl 8 hp cushman and laid it down to make a horizontal engine. 
Had to change rotate the bearings for the gov to work right and you will have to 
rework the carb and exhaust but it seems to work fine. Have a 2 cyl open 
valve train Falcon marine engine that I am thinking of doing something of the 
same with. Would make a nice waterloo boy tractor engine.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com
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From b2 at chooka.net  Sun Jan  2 11:13:43 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:13:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
References: <20050102165324.92543.qmail@web14101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <022301c4f0ff$2d70f240$680aa8c0@apluscomputer.local>

This would be side by side, I have one of these engines, too.

According to Wendell's BYB these were made in several sizes up to 20hp. 
I've seen several of the 8's, have never seen any of the bigger ones.  From 
Wendell's book the bare 8hp engine was 325 pounds.

B?
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Did they ever make?


> Tim, Is the Cushman engine you used an opposed cylinder or is it two 
> cylinders side by side?
> Ron
>
> Aermoter at aol.com wrote:
> I took a 2 cyl 8 hp cushman and laid it down to make a horizontal engine.
> Had to change rotate the bearings for the gov to work right and you will 
> have to
> rework the carb and exhaust but it seems to work fine. Have a 2 cyl open
> valve train Falcon marine engine that I am thinking of doing something of 
> the
> same with. Would make a nice waterloo boy tractor engine.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor, Ks.
> Aermoter at aol.com
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From Aermoter at aol.com  Sun Jan  2 12:51:24 2005
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:51:24 EST
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
Message-ID: <1e6.31eea45e.2f09b8cc@aol.com>

They are a side by side.  

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From mrengine at comcast.net  Sun Jan  2 15:46:35 2005
From: mrengine at comcast.net (mrengine at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:46:35 +0000
Subject: [SEL] New Years Day Crank up??
Message-ID: <010220052346.24065.41D887DB0000541F00005E0122007503300A020709020A9D03@comcast.net>

Duncan,had the AC United running here in TN. Frank

-------------- Original message -------------- 

> Hi Folks, 
> 
> Did anyone get out and fire up an engine yesterday? I had the 2 HP 
> Massey out for a while. Unseasonably warm here 
> for this time of year. 
> 
> Dunc 
> 
> -- 
> Duncan and Sandy Denman 
> Ayton, Ontario, Canada 
> Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca 
> Visit our Home Page at: 
> http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ 
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sun Jan  2 16:10:06 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:10:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Correct Oiler
References: <41D80FA7.351D41@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000b01c4f128$995fe140$2185dccb@oemcomputer>

Hi Jim.They used a Michigan Lubricator or a Essex.They had a 1.75" glass and
a 1/4" pipe female thread and screwed onto a male thread on the pipe into
the cylinder..They didn't use a checkball or a breather they had a small
breather hole in the side bellow the bottom sight glass.Hope you can follow
my rambling's
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim French" <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:13
Subject: [SEL] Correct Oiler


> Hi
> Can anyone tell me the correct oiler for a 3HP Fairbanks kerosene engine
> - size etc.
> Thanks!
>
> Jim
>
> --
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> fbi at insulate.co.uk
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan  2 20:43:25 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:43:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Mixer for 3-5 IH engine
Message-ID: <01ba01c4f14e$c56cee10$230110ac@PAUL>

I have an engine friend who is looking for a good mixer for his 3-5 IH LB engine, does anyone have a good one for sale?

Paul


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jan  2 21:30:38 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:30:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Sideshaft Monday
Message-ID: <200501030530.j035UMiC049793@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Today I did some maintenance on my 3.5hp Austral. The piston had a crack in
the skirt from when I had first got the engine some 20 years ago but a
recent check found that the crack was getting longer. I cleaned up the spare
piston which came with the engine and put it in the engine today. I also
replaced the governor cam with a spare as the original was badly worn
affecting the operation of the fuel valve. A bit of kero and a lot of heat
under the hot-bulb and the Austral was soon running. There is a little bit
of blow by from the new piston and rings but it will bed itself in.
Since I had the blow torch handy Ron decided we should start up his 3hp
Blackstone which had not been touched in nearly a year. I had to free up the
fuel pump, which had seized, and apply a lot of oil to the engine as it was
completely dry of oil. We tried to start the engine once it was hot enough
but there was not enough compression for it to fire. I turned the engine
over until the piston skirt protruded from the cylinder and then Ron tapped
around the piston skirt with his copper hammer. I wound the engine back over
and it finally had some decent compression. Ron's little trick with the
hammer had obviously fixed some sticky rings. The little Blackstone then
started easily.
A nice New Year public holiday spent running a couple of sweet little
sideshaft engines :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jan  2 22:44:05 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon,  3 Jan 2005 01:44:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill
In-Reply-To: <41D6AE27.7020108@udata.com>
References: <BAY103-F65D6DD85EB93B4F892DF0C89E0@phx.gbl>
	<41D6AE27.7020108@udata.com>
Message-ID: <1104734645.41d8e9b5cf376@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Leroy,

A telephone pole????  You've got to be kidding?  Hereabouts at least the outer
one inch of a phone pole over probably seven or eight feet is mostly iron from
all of the nails and crap thats been hammered into 'em from folks posting
stuff, nailing up basket ball hoops, etc.  

Unless you've got access to a really good metal detector, I'd guess you'd be
replacing blades A LOT!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting "Leroy C." <oldengin at udata.com>:

> Luke, telephone poles make great shingles as they are sometimes cedar 
> and then sometimes creosote treated. My brother cuts pole with his mill 
> all the time.  Just a thought.



From oldengin at udata.com  Mon Jan  3 03:28:27 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 06:28:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill
In-Reply-To: <1104734645.41d8e9b5cf376@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <BAY103-F65D6DD85EB93B4F892DF0C89E0@phx.gbl>	<41D6AE27.7020108@udata.com>
	<1104734645.41d8e9b5cf376@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <41D92C5B.5020702@udata.com>

fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

>Hi Leroy,
>
>A telephone pole????  You've got to be kidding?  Hereabouts at least the outer
>one inch of a phone pole over probably seven or eight feet is mostly iron from
>all of the nails and crap thats been hammered into 'em from folks posting
>stuff, nailing up basket ball hoops, etc.  
>
>Unless you've got access to a really good metal detector, I'd guess you'd be
>replacing blades A LOT!
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
>  
>
>
>  
>
Arnie, some of my best lumber of recent has been made from telephone 
poles. You do not have to use the entire pole and when making shingles 
you only need a 12-18 inch chunk of the pole and you are set. Findlay 
uses poles for there shingles, I think as they have at times.  My father 
put in one of them outdoor furnaces and he feed anything that will burn 
into it. Want some free firewood? try the poles. cough wheeze cough wheeze

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Mon Jan  3 03:42:04 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 22:42:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Sideshaft Monday
References: <200501030530.j035UMiC049793@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <002701c4f189$40037b00$f884dccb@oemcomputer>

Sounds as though you had fun.I worker on my 2 YB Stovers relocating them in
my shed and setting up water tanks.This all done I gave them both a good
run.A throttler and a hit and miss side by side running sure looked and
sounded great.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 4:30
Subject: [SEL] Sideshaft Monday




From tberry6 at carolina.rr.com  Sun Jan  2 18:37:10 2005
From: tberry6 at carolina.rr.com (Tommy Berry)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:37:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Years Day Crank up??
In-Reply-To: <41D818F3.A201D16C@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <001201c4f13d$212d9130$6401a8c0@TBerry>

We had our second annual New Years day Crankup.We had 22 engines and 28
tractors and a modelT and modelA Ford. The weather was hot for January in
North Carolina 69 degrees wow! Thanks Tommy Berry

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Duncan Denman
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:53 AM
To: ATIS Engine List
Subject: [SEL] New Years Day Crank up??

Hi Folks,

Did anyone get out and fire up an engine yesterday? I had the 2 HP
Massey out for a while. Unseasonably warm here
for this time of year.

Dunc

--
Duncan and Sandy Denman
Ayton, Ontario, Canada
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  3 06:55:38 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:55:38 +0000
Subject: [SEL] New Years Day Crank up??
In-Reply-To: <41D818F3.A201D16C@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F22265863ED5BDAEF11A106C8900@phx.gbl>

Hi Duncan,

I fired up my Oil Pull and pulled two stumps and a pine tree out of the 
ground.  Didn't even change the tone of the engine. They weren't even a 
match for it. Was nice to get it out for a couple hours though.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
========================

>From: Duncan Denman <canuckiron at wightman.ca>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: ATIS Engine List <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] New Years Day Crank up??
>Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 07:53:23 -0800
>
>Hi Folks,
>
>Did anyone get out and fire up an engine yesterday? I had the 2 HP
>Massey out for a while. Unseasonably warm here
>for this time of year.
>
>Dunc
>
>--
>Duncan and Sandy Denman
>Ayton, Ontario, Canada
>Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca
>Visit our Home Page at:
>http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/
>Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry




From yostsw at atis.net  Mon Jan  3 07:06:20 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 10:06:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <00dc01c4f19f$bf380470$78b8973f@D74XKD21>
References: <00dc01c4f19f$bf380470$78b8973f@D74XKD21>
Message-ID: <200501031006200328.22BDA38B@heavyiron.atis.net>

I am back in town from the funeral, and will be posting some information on
the auction a little later on this afternoon.   I the mean time, I wanted
to post a couple of things:

I  make the motion that all proceeds from both the Portland Summer auction
and this Charity auction go to the Tsunami victims relief.   The need is is
tremendous and the news I am getting from a neighbor who has family in Sri
Lanka is heart breaking.   There are areas where food and water are nearly
non-existent and starvation and water borne diseases are starting to, and
will continue to, increase the death toll.  They need help immediately.

Payments should be made to:

Old Iron Auction Escrow Account

and then mailed to 

Spencer Yost
3160 MacBrandon Ln.
Pfafftown, NC 27040

PS:  I can't believe everyone is going to let me have those World Famous
Blue Handled Fence Pliers for just $125.    What a steal!

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net



From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Jan  3 08:28:26 2005
From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:28:26 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
Message-ID: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114F9A3@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>

Years ago there was a guy in British Columbia that made small two
cylinder tractors as winter projects.

He would use a Subaru flat 4 which is water cooled and horizontally
opposed.  He'd cut off half the engine and end up with a nice sounding 2
cylinder engine.  He brought them to the Lynden show for a few years.

Maybe someone else in the NW remembers seeing them and knows more about
them.

I'm sure I've got some old photographs somewhere of them, but that was
pre digital cameras so finding those photos might be difficult.

George

Ps..  I think one of the tractors he made was a 1/2 scale Waterloo Boy
using half a Subaru engine. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Ron Frost, Kersey, PA
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:27 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Did they ever make?
> 
> Humm, Good idea Ron. I'll think on that one. Thanks Ron
> 
> rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> Hi Ron. 
> I have seen this done before by taking a JD LUC or similar 
> power unit and laying it on it's side. The oil pick up has to 
> be moved but it seemed to work well.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 03:36:20 -0800 (PST) "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA"
> writes:
> > Yep, they did, and that's what I'm looking for except a small one. 
> > Say about half the size of one in a B or H. What I want it 
> for is, I'm 
> > building a half scale B . It will use 16" rear tires and is 
> about 5" 
> > long. Just half the size of a B.
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From landlord at buckeyenet.net  Mon Jan  3 09:31:20 2005
From: landlord at buckeyenet.net (Donald Shahan)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:31:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sideshaft Monday
References: <200501030530.j035UMiC049793@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<002701c4f189$40037b00$f884dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <003401c4f1ba$198fc4c0$6c278304@nostrife>

I got the name & # of  this company from a local printing company.  Kano
Laboratories, 1000 E. Thompson Ln., Nashville, TN 37211.  The phone number
is (615) 833-4101. I talked to a guy named John and was able to order a
gallon of Kroil by phone.  I think this & a cold weather snap together did
the trick. I was banging on the piston with a railroad tie hanging from the
rafters.  My very own Christmas present when that thing came loose.  Been
trying to do this off & on since May.  Are you having the same problem?

Don
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Sideshaft Monday



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  3 09:42:53 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:42:53 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Neat Engine Photo on Ebay
Message-ID: <BAY103-F197BB5E130FE249CF6322BC8900@phx.gbl>

Thought some of you would enjoy seeing this old photo I ran across on Ebay.  
Any ideas on a manufacturer?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14279&item=6143306474&rd=1

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Jan  3 09:54:51 2005
From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:54:51 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Neat Engine Photo on Ebay
Message-ID: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114F9E0@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>

My guess is Fairbanks-Morse.

George 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Luke Tonneberger
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:43 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Neat Engine Photo on Ebay
> 
> Thought some of you would enjoy seeing this old photo I ran 
> across on Ebay.  
> Any ideas on a manufacturer?
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14279&i
> tem=6143306474&rd=1
> 
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
> 
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From jfgrant at triton.net  Mon Jan  3 09:48:27 2005
From: jfgrant at triton.net (jfgrant)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:48:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <00dc01c4f19f$bf380470$78b8973f@D74XKD21>
	<200501031006200328.22BDA38B@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <000e01c4f1bc$6f7830f0$bed445d1@jgrant>

Spencer & List Members.
 At the risk of being labeled a "Grouch" I would say that we really need to 
think about Spencer's motion. Traditionally we have supported local needs 
and while I know there are tremendous needs resulting from the Tsunami, the 
needs in local areas have not gone away.
 I fear that many if not most of the local needs will be passed over or 
forgotten in light of the new need.
 We as a Nation are already contributing much $$$ which is fine and great 
but we as a small organization and other small groups are what fund many of 
the local needs and the Government does not fund these worthwhile small 
charities.
Just My Thoughts. I will support what ever the group decides.
  Respectfully,  John Grant
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 10:06 AM
Subject: [AT] Charity auction


>I am back in town from the funeral, and will be posting some information on
> the auction a little later on this afternoon.   I the mean time, I wanted
> to post a couple of things:
>
> I  make the motion that all proceeds from both the Portland Summer auction
> and this Charity auction go to the Tsunami victims relief.   The need is 
> is
> tremendous and the news I am getting from a neighbor who has family in Sri
> Lanka is heart breaking.   There are areas where food and water are nearly
> non-existent and starvation and water borne diseases are starting to, and
> will continue to, increase the death toll.  They need help immediately.
>
> Payments should be made to:
>
> Old Iron Auction Escrow Account
>
> and then mailed to
>
> Spencer Yost
> 3160 MacBrandon Ln.
> Pfafftown, NC 27040
>
> PS:  I can't believe everyone is going to let me have those World Famous
> Blue Handled Fence Pliers for just $125.    What a steal!
>
> Spencer Yost
> Owner, ATIS
> Plow the Net!
> http://www.atis.net
>
> _______________________________________________
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> 



From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Jan  3 10:41:18 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:41:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
Message-ID: <20050103.134118.868.3.jlb94@juno.com>

I agree completely with John.



Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
\/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jan  3 11:20:07 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:20:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Water Cooled Maytag
In-Reply-To: <41C4B9A7.10302@scrtc.com>
References: <41C4B9A7.10302@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <41D99AE7.5000105@imc-group.com>

Tommy,
WOW a $735 Maytag! Did you learn anything about this water cooled Maytag 
since posting this link a few weeks ago?
Curt

Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> I don't know much about Maytag engines but here is one that I've never 
> seen before.  This is a water cooled Maytag.  Did Maytag make this or 
> was the cylinder an aftermarket item that was placed on a Maytag frame?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3861476816&rd=1 
>
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Jan  3 11:38:43 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:38:43 +0100
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <00dc01c4f19f$bf380470$78b8973f@D74XKD21><200501031006200328.22BDA38B@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<000e01c4f1bc$6f7830f0$bed445d1@jgrant>
Message-ID: <000901c4f1cb$d5a0d940$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

As a list member from the other side of the pond, I donated over
the last years a $1000.00 for the charity auctions.
A while ago there was the same trouble about WHO got the money,
is that the reason why there're so little people paticipating in this last
auction? Only a lousy $700.00 this time.
Where're all the big spenders you see laughing and sipping all day at 
Portland?

Disappointed,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl




> Spencer & List Members.
>  At the risk of being labeled a "Grouch" I would say that we really need to 
> think about Spencer's motion. Traditionally we have supported local needs 
> and while I know there are tremendous needs resulting from the Tsunami, the 
> needs in local areas have not gone away.
>  I fear that many if not most of the local needs will be passed over or 
> forgotten in light of the new need.
>  We as a Nation are already contributing much $$$ which is fine and great 
> but we as a small organization and other small groups are what fund many of 
> the local needs and the Government does not fund these worthwhile small 
> charities.
> Just My Thoughts. I will support what ever the group decides.
>   Respectfully,  John Grant




From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Mon Jan  3 11:37:30 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:37:30 +0000
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <20050103.134118.868.3.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20050103.134118.868.3.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <tl7jt05ob48mplpfenivrah38g3427qemg@4ax.com>

On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:41:18 -0500, you wrote:

>I agree completely with John.
>
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 

I think that as long as the money is channelled through a well-known
organisation so that we know it gets to where it will do the most good, then
Spencer's idea is a sound one.

Peter




From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Mon Jan  3 11:45:42 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:45:42 +0000
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <000901c4f1cb$d5a0d940$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
References: <00dc01c4f19f$bf380470$78b8973f@D74XKD21><200501031006200328.22BDA38B@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<000e01c4f1bc$6f7830f0$bed445d1@jgrant>
	<000901c4f1cb$d5a0d940$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <h08jt01enr40fpnr2vcuckac42nrrvilkj@4ax.com>

On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:38:43 +0100, you wrote:

>As a list member from the other side of the pond, I donated over
>the last years a $1000.00 for the charity auctions.
>A while ago there was the same trouble about WHO got the money,
>is that the reason why there're so little people paticipating in this last
>auction? Only a lousy $700.00 this time.
>Where're all the big spenders you see laughing and sipping all day at 
>Portland?
>
>Disappointed,
>John Hammink

John:

I think that we should not be too harsh on what has or has not happened in the
auction. We cannot expect everyone to contribute every year, and there have been
some very good years before, so one 'less than normal' year should not cause a
problem.

We were working this year right over Xmas apart from Xmas Day itself, so had
little time to get anything organised to sell or to look and buy.

We have had successes in the past and will do so again. I am sure that the Lists
as a whole will put up a very good show at Portland to make up for this Xmas.

Peter




From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Mon Jan  3 12:12:23 2005
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:12:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <00dc01c4f19f$bf380470$78b8973f@D74XKD21><200501031006200328.22BDA38B@heavyiron.atis.net><000e01c4f1bc$6f7830f0$bed445d1@jgrant>
	<000901c4f1cb$d5a0d940$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <0b6c01c4f1d0$8beec870$0301a8c0@ALEC>

John,
 I was going to say something funny but I had better wait and think my reply
through before responding.
I do agree that the # this yr is dissapointing but your comments are
hurtful, not helpful. I will explain later when I can get the emotion s in
check, Take Care,
Alec J. Stevens
Investment Specialist
80 Leighton Road, Suite C
Falmouth, ME 04105
(800)842-6669
(207)797-5169
(207)797-2819
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction


> As a list member from the other side of the pond, I donated over
> the last years a $1000.00 for the charity auctions.
> A while ago there was the same trouble about WHO got the money,
> is that the reason why there're so little people paticipating in this last
> auction? Only a lousy $700.00 this time.
> Where're all the big spenders you see laughing and sipping all day at
> Portland?
>
> Disappointed,
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>
>
>
>
> > Spencer & List Members.
> >  At the risk of being labeled a "Grouch" I would say that we really need
to
> > think about Spencer's motion. Traditionally we have supported local
needs
> > and while I know there are tremendous needs resulting from the Tsunami,
the
> > needs in local areas have not gone away.
> >  I fear that many if not most of the local needs will be passed over or
> > forgotten in light of the new need.
> >  We as a Nation are already contributing much $$$ which is fine and
great
> > but we as a small organization and other small groups are what fund many
of
> > the local needs and the Government does not fund these worthwhile small
> > charities.
> > Just My Thoughts. I will support what ever the group decides.
> >   Respectfully,  John Grant
>
>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jan  3 12:56:52 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:56:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Water Cooled Maytag
In-Reply-To: <41D99AE7.5000105@imc-group.com>
References: <41C4B9A7.10302@scrtc.com> <41D99AE7.5000105@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <41D9B194.5080902@scrtc.com>

Curt,

    I didn't learn much about it.  I had a couple of folks contact me 
and said they had seen them before but its still a new one on me.  I'll 
admit that I haven't done much research into the Maytags and haven't 
particularly sought them out as shows.  But, I've been to a lot of shows 
over the last 32 years and hadn't  seen one until this one showed up on 
ebay.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Tommy,
> WOW a $735 Maytag! Did you learn anything about this water cooled 
> Maytag since posting this link a few weeks ago?
> Curt
>
> Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
>> I don't know much about Maytag engines but here is one that I've 
>> never seen before.  This is a water cooled Maytag.  Did Maytag make 
>> this or was the cylinder an aftermarket item that was placed on a 
>> Maytag frame?
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3861476816&rd=1 
>>
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  3 13:33:38 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:33:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
In-Reply-To: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114F9A3@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
Message-ID: <20050103213338.12372.qmail@web14108.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the input George. It sure would be easier and probably better to use half a engine rather than to turn one sideways. I didn't even know Subrau built a flat engine. One of the old VW bugs would work too, I'd think.
Ron

George Best <George_Best at adp.com> wrote:
Years ago there was a guy in British Columbia that made small two
cylinder tractors as winter projects.

He would use a Subaru flat 4 which is water cooled and horizontally
opposed. He'd cut off half the engine and end up with a nice sounding 2
cylinder engine. He brought them to the Lynden show for a few years.

Maybe someone else in the NW remembers seeing them and knows more about
them.

I'm sure I've got some old photographs somewhere of them, but that was
pre digital cameras so finding those photos might be difficult.

George

Ps.. I think one of the tractors he made was a 1/2 scale Waterloo Boy
using half a Subaru engine. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Ron Frost, Kersey, PA
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:27 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Did they ever make?
> 
> Humm, Good idea Ron. I'll think on that one. Thanks Ron
> 
> rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> Hi Ron. 
> I have seen this done before by taking a JD LUC or similar 
> power unit and laying it on it's side. The oil pick up has to 
> be moved but it seemed to work well.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 03:36:20 -0800 (PST) "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA"
> writes:
> > Yep, they did, and that's what I'm looking for except a small one. 
> > Say about half the size of one in a B or H. What I want it 
> for is, I'm 
> > building a half scale B . It will use 16" rear tires and is 
> about 5" 
> > long. Just half the size of a B.
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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Mon Jan  3 14:01:25 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 22:01:25 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Correct Oiler
References: <41D80FA7.351D41@insulate.co.uk>
	<000b01c4f128$995fe140$2185dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <41D9C0B5.74C4C6AE@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Edd

Thanks very much for this excellent information.
The reason for my interest is that when I went to a mate's New Year Crank Up,
one of the other guys there had a F-M Z with a lovely European wineglass oiler.
He really wanted the correct oiler, and said he'd be willing to do a swap if I
can find the right one.  Now I know what I'm looking for ....

Thanks!

Jim

edd payne wrote:

> Hi Jim.They used a Michigan Lubricator or a Essex.They had a 1.75" glass and
> a 1/4" pipe female thread and screwed onto a male thread on the pipe into
> the cylinder..They didn't use a checkball or a breather they had a small
> breather hole in the side bellow the bottom sight glass.Hope you can follow
> my rambling's

--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk




From guitronics at comcast.net  Mon Jan  3 14:07:01 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:07:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Neat Engine Photo on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F197BB5E130FE249CF6322BC8900@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F197BB5E130FE249CF6322BC8900@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41D9C205.8030601@comcast.net>

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Thought some of you would enjoy seeing this old photo I ran across on 
> Ebay.  Any ideas on a manufacturer?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14279&item=6143306474&rd=1 
>
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
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My guess it's a prototype Belsaw, with the "Run Flat" tire option; 
(compressed air and rubber tires, and tubes and good glue were hard to 
come by back then...WAY too much trouble).

Looks like it is (was) powered by an  early hand-assembled 'P-Type', 60 
degree, steam; Wankel. These were lubricated by 'wick' oiling at the 
bottom of the piston and crank with mineral oil.

The mineral oil was mixed into the boiler water for the upper cylinder.


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  3 14:39:38 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:39:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <200501031006200328.22BDA38B@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <20050103223938.27338.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com>

Spencer and list folks,
 
When I spend money on the charity auction I always look forward to hearing that a portion of the money went to the ALS Foundation.
 
The very scale of the Tsunami disaster is terrible. The need is so great. No amount of money can make it go away, but even though our country is sending help in other ways I agree with you that we should direct the money there.
 
Also,,,,  Spencer, Talk to the seller and see if the auction for the Famous, World Traveled, Blue Handled Fence Pliers can be extended until the 18th.  Then if folks leave any of my proxy that at risk right now I would love to keep them in Northern Lower Michigan. 8>))
 
Alan Bowen

Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:
I am back in town from the funeral, and will be posting some information on
the auction a little later on this afternoon. I the mean time, I wanted
to post a couple of things:

I make the motion that all proceeds from both the Portland Summer auction
and this Charity auction go to the Tsunami victims relief. The need is is
tremendous and the news I am getting from a neighbor who has family in Sri
Lanka is heart breaking. There are areas where food and water are nearly
non-existent and starvation and water borne diseases are starting to, and
will continue to, increase the death toll. They need help immediately.

Payments should be made to:

Old Iron Auction Escrow Account

and then mailed to 

Spencer Yost
3160 MacBrandon Ln.
Pfafftown, NC 27040

PS: I can't believe everyone is going to let me have those World Famous
Blue Handled Fence Pliers for just $125. What a steal!

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net

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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan  3 14:51:36 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:51:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
References: <000d01c4efa8$d8471da0$9c680b42@gnarmstrong><20050101113621.43346.qmail@web14107.mail.yahoo.com><n54dt0d7glnv13qkv9hl3llp0stto44emd@4ax.com>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20050101090150.02844f10@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <029201c4f1e6$c85b1140$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>


  The flywheels are not counterbalanced but the crankshaft is.  The
> engine appears to run very smooth but fact that each flywheel weighs about
> one ton and the engine is solidly bolted to a large concrete pier might
> have something to do with it.

When Hensarling was running his 4 Cyl Y on a lowboy , the front bumper on
the Freightliner would move up and down about a foot
when  he chopped the throttle  .Someone Ohio way ended up with it . Anybody
seen it ?

chuck



From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Jan  3 15:46:30 2005
From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:46:30 -0800
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
Message-ID: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>

I agree with John.

While the tsunami damage is tremendous and has the attention of the
whole world, we shouldn't forget the groups that have received funds
from us in the past. Some of the groups like the Tod engine project
don't have the benefit of countries trying to out do each other in their
amount of giving.

There aren't other organizations donating money to them and cutting them
off doesn't seem right to me.

We all have plenty of opportunities to donate to the various tsunami
relief organizations. Hijacking this years donations and redirecting
them to the tsunami aid isn't the only way to help.

The charity auction has already suffered this year by lack of items
being listed and buyers. (I know I'm guilty this year, I've donated in
the past and have bought in the past but just couldn't get excited about
it this year) Changing the recipient of the donations to a world cause,
is kind of getting away from what I thought the intent of the charity
auction was.

George
Add me to the grouch list ;-)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jfgrant
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:48 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group; 
> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
> 
> Spencer & List Members.
>  At the risk of being labeled a "Grouch" I would say that we 
> really need to think about Spencer's motion. Traditionally we 
> have supported local needs and while I know there are 
> tremendous needs resulting from the Tsunami, the needs in 
> local areas have not gone away.
>  I fear that many if not most of the local needs will be 
> passed over or forgotten in light of the new need.
>  We as a Nation are already contributing much $$$ which is 
> fine and great but we as a small organization and other small 
> groups are what fund many of the local needs and the 
> Government does not fund these worthwhile small charities.
> Just My Thoughts. I will support what ever the group decides.
>   Respectfully,  John Grant



From guitronics at comcast.net  Mon Jan  3 16:18:04 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:18:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
Message-ID: <41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net>

George Best wrote:

>I agree with John.
>
>While the tsunami damage is tremendous and has the attention of the
>whole world, we shouldn't forget the groups that have received funds
>from us in the past. Some of the groups like the Tod engine project
>don't have the benefit of countries trying to out do each other in their
>amount of giving.
>
>There aren't other organizations donating money to them and cutting them
>off doesn't seem right to me.
>
>We all have plenty of opportunities to donate to the various tsunami
>relief organizations. Hijacking this years donations and redirecting
>them to the tsunami aid isn't the only way to help.
>
>The charity auction has already suffered this year by lack of items
>being listed and buyers. (I know I'm guilty this year, I've donated in
>the past and have bought in the past but just couldn't get excited about
>it this year) Changing the recipient of the donations to a world cause,
>is kind of getting away from what I thought the intent of the charity
>auction was.
>
>George
>Add me to the grouch list ;-)
>
>
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jfgrant
>>Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:48 AM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group; 
>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
>>
>>Spencer & List Members.
>> At the risk of being labeled a "Grouch" I would say that we 
>>really need to think about Spencer's motion. Traditionally we 
>>have supported local needs and while I know there are 
>>tremendous needs resulting from the Tsunami, the needs in 
>>local areas have not gone away.
>> I fear that many if not most of the local needs will be 
>>passed over or forgotten in light of the new need.
>> We as a Nation are already contributing much $$$ which is 
>>fine and great but we as a small organization and other small 
>>groups are what fund many of the local needs and the 
>>Government does not fund these worthwhile small charities.
>>Just My Thoughts. I will support what ever the group decides.
>>  Respectfully,  John Grant
>>    
>>
>
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>  
>
My $0.02... Where was the world when 9/11 hit US? Dancing in the 
streets. No help.What about the Forest fires during the drought before 
2004? No help. How about the hurricanes in Florida this last year? No 
help. Floods in the south this year? No help.War on terror? A little 
help, but mostly a slap in the face. When did any other Country help the 
US? They must have, at some point.....No,they didn't help US, we went to 
war for THEM!  

Tsunami....yeah, a tragedy,a real disaster.OK, Japan kicked in 20 Mil, 
that was nice....How much is China giving? Who? What? ....and Russia? 
Faghettabottit.


From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Mon Jan  3 17:40:35 2005
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:40:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
	<41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000e01c4f1fe$630b7920$3af7a518@SkipBetty>

Japan aid is at $500,000

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "lightningrod" <guitronics at comcast.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction


> George Best wrote:
> 
>>I agree with John.
>>
>>While the tsunami damage is tremendous and has the attention of the
>>whole world, we shouldn't forget the groups that have received funds
>>from us in the past. Some of the groups like the Tod engine project
>>don't have the benefit of countries trying to out do each other in their
>>amount of giving.
>>
>>There aren't other organizations donating money to them and cutting them
>>off doesn't seem right to me.
>>
>>We all have plenty of opportunities to donate to the various tsunami
>>relief organizations. Hijacking this years donations and redirecting
>>them to the tsunami aid isn't the only way to help.
>>
>>The charity auction has already suffered this year by lack of items
>>being listed and buyers. (I know I'm guilty this year, I've donated in
>>the past and have bought in the past but just couldn't get excited about
>>it this year) Changing the recipient of the donations to a world cause,
>>is kind of getting away from what I thought the intent of the charity
>>auction was.
>>
>>George
>>Add me to the grouch list ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
>>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jfgrant
>>>Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:48 AM
>>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group; 
>>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
>>>
>>>Spencer & List Members.
>>> At the risk of being labeled a "Grouch" I would say that we 
>>>really need to think about Spencer's motion. Traditionally we 
>>>have supported local needs and while I know there are 
>>>tremendous needs resulting from the Tsunami, the needs in 
>>>local areas have not gone away.
>>> I fear that many if not most of the local needs will be 
>>>passed over or forgotten in light of the new need.
>>> We as a Nation are already contributing much $$$ which is 
>>>fine and great but we as a small organization and other small 
>>>groups are what fund many of the local needs and the 
>>>Government does not fund these worthwhile small charities.
>>>Just My Thoughts. I will support what ever the group decides.
>>>  Respectfully,  John Grant
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>  
>>
> My $0.02... Where was the world when 9/11 hit US? Dancing in the 
> streets. No help.What about the Forest fires during the drought before 
> 2004? No help. How about the hurricanes in Florida this last year? No 
> help. Floods in the south this year? No help.War on terror? A little 
> help, but mostly a slap in the face. When did any other Country help the 
> US? They must have, at some point.....No,they didn't help US, we went to 
> war for THEM!  
> 
> Tsunami....yeah, a tragedy,a real disaster.OK, Japan kicked in 20 Mil, 
> that was nice....How much is China giving? Who? What? ....and Russia? 
> Faghettabottit.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Mon Jan  3 17:58:13 2005
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:58:13 +0800
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
Message-ID: <41D9F835.8000307@optusnet.com.au>

George Best wrote:

>I agree with John.
>
>While the tsunami damage is tremendous and has the attention of the
>whole world, (snipped) don't have the benefit of countries trying to out do each other in their
>amount of giving.
>  
>
George, I am appalled by your comments "countries trying to out do each 
other" etc.

Please assure us that this is just your opinion and not the general 
feeling in your country?

Jack Watson
Perth, Western Australia.




From Vivas1993 at aol.com  Mon Jan  3 20:54:30 2005
From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:54:30 EST
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
Message-ID: <1f2.3d1aa2f.2f0b7b86@aol.com>

Hi Jack,
 No, that is not the opinion of most folks here in the US. 
 If that subject is brought up at all, it's because that's about all you hear 
most major news reporters talking about. A lot of them talk more about what 
country is giving the most or least, than the disaster.
 A lot of banks, and grocery stores in our area have set up places to make 
donations to the disaster relief fund.
 Regards,
 Dwight Vivas
 Matoaca, VA.


From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Mon Jan  3 23:06:19 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:06:19 +0000
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net>
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
	<41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <dtfkt05iunh4cjufld5m7kooee05ipuad8@4ax.com>

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:18:04 -0500, you wrote:


>My $0.02... Where was the world when 9/11 hit US? Dancing in the 
>streets. No help.What about the Forest fires during the drought before 
>2004? No help. How about the hurricanes in Florida this last year? No 
>help. Floods in the south this year? No help.War on terror? A little 
>help, but mostly a slap in the face. When did any other Country help the 
>US? They must have, at some point.....No,they didn't help US, we went to 
>war for THEM!  
>
>Tsunami....yeah, a tragedy,a real disaster.OK, Japan kicked in 20 Mil, 
>that was nice....How much is China giving? Who? What? ....and Russia? 
>Faghettabottit.

Politicising the problem won't help anyone, and by the way, a lot of countries
including the UK and Australia have helped and are still helping the US in Iraq
and other hotspots around the world.

We need to keep this thread focussed on the immediate question that Spencer
raised in his original post, not drift away into politics and unrelated matters.

Peter




From tberry6 at carolina.rr.com  Sun Jan  2 19:14:25 2005
From: tberry6 at carolina.rr.com (Tommy Berry)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:14:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engines on New Years
Message-ID: <000501c4f142$5799a880$6401a8c0@TBerry>

We hosted our second annual New Years day Crankup at my fathers farm
yesterday. The weather was spectacular, 69 degrees and sunny.That is rare
for North Carolina in January.We had 22 gas engines and 28 tractors
inattendence.also a model T and model A Ford.We fed 118 people for lunch and
everyone had a grand afternoon.There is nothing like spending a holiday with
all your engine friends. Tommy Berry



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Jan  4 03:28:28 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:28:28 +0800
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
	<41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00a201c4f250$a0917810$2ed03dca@ogborneuah38i3>

''lightning rod''.........interesting slant on things that you have !So
charity really begins at home with you . I am sure that you are on your own
with your bigoted comments and that your fellow country men would no doubt
shudder at your crassness and insular attitude.
A point to think about ...the US is the strongest power in the world, do you
really need help from lesser powers.But if you are inteligent enough to
perhaps inquire you will find that many countries helped and are still
helping your war on terror in Iraq. Countries like Portugal, Spain ,
Australia ,Japan ,UK, Italy ,many of the eastern block countries[ as you are
no doubt a very blinkered person you may have to get out an atlas to see
where these countries are] .As a reminder my country supplied fire fighters
for your fires in California.
Original Message -----
From: "lightningrod" <guitronics at comcast.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction


> George Best wrote:
>
> >I agree with John.
> >
> >While the tsunami damage is tremendous and has the attention of the
> >whole world, we shouldn't forget the groups that have received funds
> >from us in the past. Some of the groups like the Tod engine project
> >don't have the benefit of countries trying to out do each other in their
> >amount of giving.
> >
> >There aren't other organizations donating money to them and cutting them
> >off doesn't seem right to me.
> >
> >We all have plenty of opportunities to donate to the various tsunami
> >relief organizations. Hijacking this years donations and redirecting
> >them to the tsunami aid isn't the only way to help.
> >
> >The charity auction has already suffered this year by lack of items
> >being listed and buyers. (I know I'm guilty this year, I've donated in
> >the past and have bought in the past but just couldn't get excited about
> >it this year) Changing the recipient of the donations to a world cause,
> >is kind of getting away from what I thought the intent of the charity
> >auction was.
> >
> >George
> >Add me to the grouch list ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jfgrant
> >>Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:48 AM
> >>To: Antique tractor email discussion group;
> >>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
> >>
> >>Spencer & List Members.
> >> At the risk of being labeled a "Grouch" I would say that we
> >>really need to think about Spencer's motion. Traditionally we
> >>have supported local needs and while I know there are
> >>tremendous needs resulting from the Tsunami, the needs in
> >>local areas have not gone away.
> >> I fear that many if not most of the local needs will be
> >>passed over or forgotten in light of the new need.
> >> We as a Nation are already contributing much $$$ which is
> >>fine and great but we as a small organization and other small
> >>groups are what fund many of the local needs and the
> >>Government does not fund these worthwhile small charities.
> >>Just My Thoughts. I will support what ever the group decides.
> >>  Respectfully,  John Grant
> >>
> >>
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >
> My $0.02... Where was the world when 9/11 hit US? Dancing in the
> streets. No help.What about the Forest fires during the drought before
> 2004? No help. How about the hurricanes in Florida this last year? No
> help. Floods in the south this year? No help.War on terror? A little
> help, but mostly a slap in the face. When did any other Country help the
> US? They must have, at some point.....No,they didn't help US, we went to
> war for THEM!
>
> Tsunami....yeah, a tragedy,a real disaster.OK, Japan kicked in 20 Mil,
> that was nice....How much is China giving? Who? What? ....and Russia?
> Faghettabottit.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>






From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Tue Jan  4 06:37:48 2005
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:37:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <1f2.3d1aa2f.2f0b7b86@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0bee01c4f26a$fa57cdd0$0301a8c0@ALEC>

I believe the best way to handle the issue of sending the SEL charity $$$ to
Sri Lanka or wherever is to have a special request fund from the SEL and
each of us kick in Say $5.00. That would be a blessing for the them and
allow us to keep the other  supported charities intact.

Alec J. Stevens
Investment Specialist
80 Leighton Road, Suite C
Falmouth, ME 04105
(800)842-6669
(207)797-5169
(207)797-2819
----- Original Message -----
From: <Vivas1993 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction


> Hi Jack,
>  No, that is not the opinion of most folks here in the US.
>  If that subject is brought up at all, it's because that's about all you
hear
> most major news reporters talking about. A lot of them talk more about
what
> country is giving the most or least, than the disaster.
>  A lot of banks, and grocery stores in our area have set up places to make
> donations to the disaster relief fund.
>  Regards,
>  Dwight Vivas
>  Matoaca, VA.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Jan  4 07:23:07 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:23:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV173834AB3FAF715F1A55E7BB910@phx.gbl>

I'd like to vote for keeping it at home.  Tod Engine, Florida flywheelers 
sounds good.

"Headed for the grouch list"

RickinMt. 


From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jan  4 07:45:24 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 10:45:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV173834AB3FAF715F1A55E7BB910@phx.gbl>
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
	<BAY3-DAV173834AB3FAF715F1A55E7BB910@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41DABA14.5020104@imc-group.com>

Lets remember the Internal Fire Museum in England too.....
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


Richard Strobel wrote:

>I'd like to vote for keeping it at home.  Tod Engine, Florida flywheelers 
>sounds good.
>
>"Headed for the grouch list"
>
>RickinMt. 
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Jan  4 09:01:12 2005
From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:01:12 -0800
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
Message-ID: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FBC0@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>

Great idea Alec!

Keep the charity auction for the groups we've supported in the past or
related to the hobby.
I'll donate $20 towards a SEL/ATIS Tsunami fund.
I'll even increase that amount if it looks like others are giving more
than me ;-)

George

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Alec Stevens
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 6:38 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
> 
> I believe the best way to handle the issue of sending the SEL 
> charity $$$ to Sri Lanka or wherever is to have a special 
> request fund from the SEL and each of us kick in Say $5.00. 
> That would be a blessing for the them and allow us to keep 
> the other  supported charities intact.
> 
> Alec J. Stevens



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Jan  4 09:06:19 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:06:19 -0700
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
	<BAY3-DAV173834AB3FAF715F1A55E7BB910@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV99213D496E22B23A91D26BB910@phx.gbl>

Let me clarify.  I mean the old iron home..the one without borders.

And I'd support a separate fund.

Thanks
RickinMt.




> I'd like to vote for keeping it at home.  > 


From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Tue Jan  4 10:32:33 2005
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:32:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FBC0@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
Message-ID: <0c7101c4f28b$c4c35c90$0301a8c0@ALEC>

George you ole mines bigger than yours kind of guy !!!!!
 I like that ;-)
To me its the only fair way because if its done Spencers way, whats the
point in having a list if its dictated by 1 person, No offense Spencer, but
at the end of each year. you do use your position to make a donation to
whomever you choose and this wouldnt be any different if you did that again.
With ownership there are some priviledges !!!!! Please do not handle this
any differently and I believe we can come up with other ( more than 700) $$$
like we are suggesting.
Alec J. Stevens
Investment Specialist
80 Leighton Road, Suite C
Falmouth, ME 04105
(800)842-6669
(207)797-5169
(207)797-2819
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Best" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 12:01 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction


> Great idea Alec!
>
> Keep the charity auction for the groups we've supported in the past or
> related to the hobby.
> I'll donate $20 towards a SEL/ATIS Tsunami fund.
> I'll even increase that amount if it looks like others are giving more
> than me ;-)
>
> George
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> > Alec Stevens
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 6:38 AM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
> >
> > I believe the best way to handle the issue of sending the SEL
> > charity $$$ to Sri Lanka or wherever is to have a special
> > request fund from the SEL and each of us kick in Say $5.00.
> > That would be a blessing for the them and allow us to keep
> > the other  supported charities intact.
> >
> > Alec J. Stevens
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jan  4 00:30:31 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:30:31 +1100
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
	<41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000401c4f298$7fae59e0$19111bd3@athlon>

We had a rundown on the donations from the Muslim middle East mobs on the
radio today. They gave 20 times their donations to THE FAMILIES of the
SUICIDE BOMBERS!!!
I am not going into details but I am sure it is on the net somewhere if you
want to go hunting.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

> My $0.02... Where was the world when 9/11 hit US? Dancing in the
> streets. No help.What about the Forest fires during the drought before
> 2004? No help. How about the hurricanes in Florida this last year? No
> help. Floods in the south this year? No help.War on terror? A little
> help, but mostly a slap in the face. When did any other Country help the
> US? They must have, at some point.....No,they didn't help US, we went to
> war for THEM!
>
> Tsunami....yeah, a tragedy,a real disaster.OK, Japan kicked in 20 Mil,
> that was nice....How much is China giving? Who? What? ....and Russia?
> Faghettabottit.



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Tue Jan  4 15:45:46 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:45:46 +1100
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
	<41D9F835.8000307@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <000801c4f2b7$82fe3010$80c0ecdc@morris>

G'Day Jack

>>
> George, I am appalled by your comments "countries trying to out do each 
> other" etc.
>
> Please assure us that this is just your opinion and not the general 
> feeling in your country?
>
> Jack Watson

We are no better, now with states outdoing each other, Queensland has asked 
any other state to better its donation.

and the way the pollies are outdoing themselves to get up there in front of 
the media is sicking, why would the PM go there other than the publicity.

sorry about the political thread of this post

Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW  OZ 



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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Jan  4 17:09:31 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:09:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Rope maker on Charity Auction
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV196AF7A34B8089B1033665BB920@phx.gbl>

Howdy all;
  Pictures of the finished product are now at:

http://community.webshots.com/album/244468746rgpSdg

Good Luck;
RickinMt.
http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc


From rexhinz at chorus.net  Tue Jan  4 18:17:26 2005
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:17:26 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Leather Cutter on Charity Auction
Message-ID: <000f01c4f2cc$b57c9f30$1e86a5d8@mycomputer>

Hey Check out the Leather cutter on the Charity auction , you can cut down
your flat belts  or make Homemade Noodles :-)

Rex




From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  5 02:08:09 2005
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 02:08:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] More on Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, & browning iron 
Message-ID: <20050105100809.58155.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com>

RickinMontana: More on Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, & browning iron

Hi, Rick,

These processes etch the iron and will destroy finely finished
surfaces. When guns and other fine machines are treated using these
processes, all the finely finished parts are masked or otherwise
protected from the solutions used, especially gun barrel bores. What
John Culp said about the whole process pretty much sums it up. First,
when the blacking solution is mixed up the ammonia released is very
noxious to say the least and if the ingredients were mixed dry it would
be next to deadly. Not quite deadly, but severely damaging to the eyes
and respiratory tract. In fact, ammonia gas is so strong an agent that
it can be felt on contact on your skin, even on the thicker skin of
your hands. In this particular case since it is formed in an aqueous
solution, its release into the air is somewhat moderated by the
formation of semi-stable ammonium hydroxide solution, but there is
surely PLENTY enough released to cause all sorts of trouble
physiologically in contact with your skin, eyes, nose, and whatever
else. It messes up your blood chemistry big time if you manage somehow
to inhale some, although it does go right through your skin and if
exposed for a few minutes it would be enough to start causing other
problems besides skin burns. I hadn?t thought about the neighbors
calling the narcs about the smell, though, I did not know it was
connected that way. Out here in Farmland us farmer types occasionally
inject the ammonia gas right into the ground as fertilizer and in that
respect smelling it out here it would not raise any eyebrows at all.

I thought you wanted to Parkerize or blue/black the lathe knobs and
cranks, not the surfaces of the ways, gear teeth, etc. These processes
are totally out of the question for parts like that, especially if you
wanted to do the bed. You?d need to have a vat deep enough to dip the
lathe bed into while it simmered away at 300? F, and even a pot big
enough to cook a missionary or two in would not be big enough! And then
making the couple hundred gallons of solution would be a problem as
well. Sorry! For protecting your lathe parts a liberal painting with
regular old cheap motor oil with the current API rating that is
accepted for engine warranty protection by Ford, GM, and Chrysler - - -
woops, Daimler-Chrysler now, is all I use on my milling machine, drill
press, old lathe, etc. The anti-corrosion additives work great for
protecting bare steel and cast iron. As you have most likely observed,
freshly machined cast iron is about the most rust-prone iron alloy
there is, but good old modern motor oil with all of its corrosion
inhibitor additives is fine for even that. But the Parkerizing or
blacking is quite acceptable for knobs, levers, nuts, bolts, and all
other non-critical iron items on the lathe. Allen wrenches are
traditionally Parkerized or blacked, as well as the grade-8 hex socket
head bolts they are used for, and I think it looks really nice. Carpet
tacks, wallboard nails, and clock springs are traditionally blued,
although the springs become colored as a consequence of the heat
treating they receive, but it is bluing nonetheless and looks really
pretty. 

These surface treatments do have a place as part of our interests and
activities. A lot of early engine manufacturers used Parkerized or
blacked nuts and bolts for the head bolts, nuts, and studs, as well as
the main bearing and rod bearing cap bolts and nuts as a way to
indicate that they were high strength. Before the marking of bolt grade
became conventional by stamping the heads with the familiar rays or
?spokes?, this was one of the more common ways the engine manufacturers
kept mechanics from getting the good bolts and nuts mixed up with the
low strength ones during an overhaul. If the low strength bolts and
nuts got used for bearing caps or head bolts the results could be
disastrous! Caterpillar solved that problem by using nothing but high
strength bolts and nuts throughout a machine and stamped all of their
bolt heads with a ?C?, but they were alone in the respect of using
nothing but high strength bolts and nuts for better than half a
century. It would be interesting if someone had some information or
even did research on exactly which of the engine manufacturers used the
convention of Parkerizing or blacking head and bearing cap nuts and
bolts. If you want to try out the blacking solution you can make up a
quarter of a cup in an iron tin can like a Campbell?s soup can (not
aluminum!) using a tablespoon of lye and a like amount of potassium
nitrate (saltpeter) and gently simmer some nails or other small clean
iron objects for a few minutes in it. The black color and distinctive
luster are rather pretty. Quite beautiful, actually. I haven?t tried it
yet, but I have a good hunch that if you take some chlorine bleach and
set it outside to evaporate in a flat glass dish so it gets
concentrated that it will also work for blacking iron by simmering the
parts in it like with the lye/nitrate solution. Make sure any birds,
cats, or dogs don?t get a burnt mouth if you put some bleach out to dry
up.

By the way, speaking of lathes, I just bought a new one. I got a
Taiwan-made Jet model BD1360 lathe to replace the 65 year-old 12?x 40?
Atlas I have been using since 1959. All 1200 pounds of my new machine
are sitting out in the yard inside its shipping crate with a tarpaulin
over it just waiting for me to build a shop to put it in, and it is
absolutely killing me! I have the most interesting new toy sitting out
there that I waited twenty-nine years to buy and I can?t touch it! Oh,
Ouch! Until I get the shop built it might as well be sitting on the
moon because I don?t have any place whatsoever to put it so I can set
it up. Boy, talk about frustration! I am working on building the shop
between rain storms. I am building it from the roof down because as
soon as I get the roof done then the rain won?t stop me from working on
the rest of the shop building. Last April I bought a sawmill and I have
been sawing all my own lumber to build the shop with, so the cost and
availability of the lumber are no problem at the moment. I burn the
flitch and ?lizards? (scrap) that the sawmill produces in the pot belly
stove, too, so that has been keeping me warm this winter. 

Work and play safely!

Richard Allen



From guitronics at comcast.net  Wed Jan  5 03:48:23 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 06:48:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <dtfkt05iunh4cjufld5m7kooee05ipuad8@4ax.com>
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>	<41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net>
	<dtfkt05iunh4cjufld5m7kooee05ipuad8@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <41DBD407.1040408@comcast.net>

Peter A Forbes wrote:

>On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:18:04 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>  
>
>>My $0.02... Where was the world when 9/11 hit US? Dancing in the 
>>streets. No help.What about the Forest fires during the drought before 
>>2004? No help. How about the hurricanes in Florida this last year? No 
>>help. Floods in the south this year? No help.War on terror? A little 
>>help, but mostly a slap in the face. When did any other Country help the 
>>US? They must have, at some point.....No,they didn't help US, we went to 
>>war for THEM!  
>>
>>Tsunami....yeah, a tragedy,a real disaster.OK, Japan kicked in 20 Mil, 
>>that was nice....How much is China giving? Who? What? ....and Russia? 
>>Faghettabottit.
>>    
>>
>
>Politicising the problem won't help anyone, and by the way, a lot of countries
>including the UK and Australia have helped and are still helping the US in Iraq
>and other hotspots around the world.
>
>We need to keep this thread focussed on the immediate question that Spencer
>raised in his original post, not drift away into politics and unrelated matters.
>
>Peter
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>  
>
And I was under the impression that we  were  focused on the immediate 
question,Hmm.I don't see how  politics is unrelated to the question.In 
fact, it seems to me that what you call politics and unrelated 
matters(?) are opinions  that you do not share.


From guitronics at comcast.net  Wed Jan  5 03:59:37 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 06:59:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <000401c4f298$7fae59e0$19111bd3@athlon>
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>	<41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net>
	<000401c4f298$7fae59e0$19111bd3@athlon>
Message-ID: <41DBD6A9.1070301@comcast.net>

Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote:

>We had a rundown on the donations from the Muslim middle East mobs on the
>radio today. They gave 20 times their donations to THE FAMILIES of the
>SUICIDE BOMBERS!!!
>I am not going into details but I am sure it is on the net somewhere if you
>want to go hunting.
>Reg & Marg Ingold.
>Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>  
>
>>My $0.02... Where was the world when 9/11 hit US? Dancing in the
>>streets. No help.What about the Forest fires during the drought before
>>2004? No help. How about the hurricanes in Florida this last year? No
>>help. Floods in the south this year? No help.War on terror? A little
>>help, but mostly a slap in the face. When did any other Country help the
>>US? They must have, at some point.....No,they didn't help US, we went to
>>war for THEM!
>>
>>Tsunami....yeah, a tragedy,a real disaster.OK, Japan kicked in 20 Mil,
>>that was nice....How much is China giving? Who? What? ....and Russia?
>>Faghettabottit.
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>  
>
   Thank You. The Media doesn't want to publish the truth,when it 
doesn't fit the agenda.


From guitronics at comcast.net  Wed Jan  5 04:09:08 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:09:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <00a201c4f250$a0917810$2ed03dca@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>	<41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net>
	<00a201c4f250$a0917810$2ed03dca@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <41DBD8E4.9050801@comcast.net>

peter ogborne wrote:

>''lightning rod''.........interesting slant on things that you have !So
>charity really begins at home with you . I am sure that you are on your own
>with your bigoted comments and that your fellow country men would no doubt
>shudder at your crassness and insular attitude.
>A point to think about ...the US is the strongest power in the world, do you
>really need help from lesser powers.But if you are inteligent enough to
>perhaps inquire you will find that many countries helped and are still
>helping your war on terror in Iraq. Countries like Portugal, Spain ,
>Australia ,Japan ,UK, Italy ,many of the eastern block countries[ as you are
>no doubt a very blinkered person you may have to get out an atlas to see
>where these countries are] .As a reminder my country supplied fire fighters
>for your fires in California.
>Original Message -----
>From: "lightningrod" <guitronics at comcast.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 8:18 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
>
>
>  
>
>>George Best wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I agree with John.
>>>
>>>While the tsunami damage is tremendous and has the attention of the
>>>whole world, we shouldn't forget the groups that have received funds
>>>      
>>>
>>>from us in the past. Some of the groups like the Tod engine project
>>    
>>
>>>don't have the benefit of countries trying to out do each other in their
>>>amount of giving.
>>>
>>>There aren't other organizations donating money to them and cutting them
>>>off doesn't seem right to me.
>>>
>>>We all have plenty of opportunities to donate to the various tsunami
>>>relief organizations. Hijacking this years donations and redirecting
>>>them to the tsunami aid isn't the only way to help.
>>>
>>>The charity auction has already suffered this year by lack of items
>>>being listed and buyers. (I know I'm guilty this year, I've donated in
>>>the past and have bought in the past but just couldn't get excited about
>>>it this year) Changing the recipient of the donations to a world cause,
>>>is kind of getting away from what I thought the intent of the charity
>>>auction was.
>>>
>>>George
>>>Add me to the grouch list ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jfgrant
>>>>Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:48 AM
>>>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group;
>>>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
>>>>
>>>>Spencer & List Members.
>>>>At the risk of being labeled a "Grouch" I would say that we
>>>>really need to think about Spencer's motion. Traditionally we
>>>>have supported local needs and while I know there are
>>>>tremendous needs resulting from the Tsunami, the needs in
>>>>local areas have not gone away.
>>>>I fear that many if not most of the local needs will be
>>>>passed over or forgotten in light of the new need.
>>>>We as a Nation are already contributing much $$$ which is
>>>>fine and great but we as a small organization and other small
>>>>groups are what fund many of the local needs and the
>>>>Government does not fund these worthwhile small charities.
>>>>Just My Thoughts. I will support what ever the group decides.
>>>> Respectfully,  John Grant
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>My $0.02... Where was the world when 9/11 hit US? Dancing in the
>>streets. No help.What about the Forest fires during the drought before
>>2004? No help. How about the hurricanes in Florida this last year? No
>>help. Floods in the south this year? No help.War on terror? A little
>>help, but mostly a slap in the face. When did any other Country help the
>>US? They must have, at some point.....No,they didn't help US, we went to
>>war for THEM!
>>
>>Tsunami....yeah, a tragedy,a real disaster.OK, Japan kicked in 20 Mil,
>>that was nice....How much is China giving? Who? What? ....and Russia?
>>Faghettabottit.
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>  
>
OK,I'm a Bigot.Thanks for the firefighting help,I was making a general 
statement, not trying to get into a microcosm of the entire history of 
who helped who. IN GENERAL, the U.S.A. has done far more for other 
countries than was ever suggested. A natural disaster happens, the U.S. 
is expected to fix it, in fact; it is somehow our fault. I sure am happy 
I'm not as intelligent as you.


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Wed Jan  5 04:18:09 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:18:09 +0100
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com><41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net>
	<00a201c4f250$a0917810$2ed03dca@ogborneuah38i3>
	<41DBD8E4.9050801@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <001001c4f320$9e890760$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

I just remember, my Granny always told us to stay away
from lightning rods, they could be very mean.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Jan  5 04:20:42 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:20:42 +1100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Charity auction & politics
In-Reply-To: <41DBD8E4.9050801@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <200501051220.j05CKN8e052076@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

For those who are a little slow this is the ENGINE LIST. 
For politics go to the Slick List. 
I am sure someone can tell you how to get on there.

Patrick M Livingstone




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jan  5 04:35:36 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:35:36 +0800
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>	<41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net><00a201c4f250$a0917810$2ed03dca@ogborneuah38i3>
	<41DBD8E4.9050801@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <001001c4f323$1336a610$7ccd3dca@ogborneuah38i3>

Thats something lightningrod ........glad you see my point
----- Original Message -----
From: "lightningrod" <guitronics at comcast.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction


> peter ogborne wrote:
>
> >''lightning rod''.........interesting slant on things that you have !So
> >charity really begins at home with you . I am sure that you are on your
own
> >with your bigoted comments and that your fellow country men would no
doubt
> >shudder at your crassness and insular attitude.
> >A point to think about ...the US is the strongest power in the world, do
you
> >really need help from lesser powers.But if you are inteligent enough to
> >perhaps inquire you will find that many countries helped and are still
> >helping your war on terror in Iraq. Countries like Portugal, Spain ,
> >Australia ,Japan ,UK, Italy ,many of the eastern block countries[ as you
are
> >no doubt a very blinkered person you may have to get out an atlas to see
> >where these countries are] .As a reminder my country supplied fire
fighters
> >for your fires in California.
> >Original Message -----
> >From: "lightningrod" <guitronics at comcast.net>
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 8:18 AM
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>George Best wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I agree with John.
> >>>
> >>>While the tsunami damage is tremendous and has the attention of the
> >>>whole world, we shouldn't forget the groups that have received funds
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>from us in the past. Some of the groups like the Tod engine project
> >>
> >>
> >>>don't have the benefit of countries trying to out do each other in
their
> >>>amount of giving.
> >>>
> >>>There aren't other organizations donating money to them and cutting
them
> >>>off doesn't seem right to me.
> >>>
> >>>We all have plenty of opportunities to donate to the various tsunami
> >>>relief organizations. Hijacking this years donations and redirecting
> >>>them to the tsunami aid isn't the only way to help.
> >>>
> >>>The charity auction has already suffered this year by lack of items
> >>>being listed and buyers. (I know I'm guilty this year, I've donated in
> >>>the past and have bought in the past but just couldn't get excited
about
> >>>it this year) Changing the recipient of the donations to a world cause,
> >>>is kind of getting away from what I thought the intent of the charity
> >>>auction was.
> >>>
> >>>George
> >>>Add me to the grouch list ;-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jfgrant
> >>>>Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:48 AM
> >>>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group;
> >>>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>>Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
> >>>>
> >>>>Spencer & List Members.
> >>>>At the risk of being labeled a "Grouch" I would say that we
> >>>>really need to think about Spencer's motion. Traditionally we
> >>>>have supported local needs and while I know there are
> >>>>tremendous needs resulting from the Tsunami, the needs in
> >>>>local areas have not gone away.
> >>>>I fear that many if not most of the local needs will be
> >>>>passed over or forgotten in light of the new need.
> >>>>We as a Nation are already contributing much $$$ which is
> >>>>fine and great but we as a small organization and other small
> >>>>groups are what fund many of the local needs and the
> >>>>Government does not fund these worthwhile small charities.
> >>>>Just My Thoughts. I will support what ever the group decides.
> >>>> Respectfully,  John Grant
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>SEL mailing list
> >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>My $0.02... Where was the world when 9/11 hit US? Dancing in the
> >>streets. No help.What about the Forest fires during the drought before
> >>2004? No help. How about the hurricanes in Florida this last year? No
> >>help. Floods in the south this year? No help.War on terror? A little
> >>help, but mostly a slap in the face. When did any other Country help the
> >>US? They must have, at some point.....No,they didn't help US, we went to
> >>war for THEM!
> >>
> >>Tsunami....yeah, a tragedy,a real disaster.OK, Japan kicked in 20 Mil,
> >>that was nice....How much is China giving? Who? What? ....and Russia?
> >>Faghettabottit.
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>SEL mailing list
> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >
> OK,I'm a Bigot.Thanks for the firefighting help,I was making a general
> statement, not trying to get into a microcosm of the entire history of
> who helped who. IN GENERAL, the U.S.A. has done far more for other
> countries than was ever suggested. A natural disaster happens, the U.S.
> is expected to fix it, in fact; it is somehow our fault. I sure am happy
> I'm not as intelligent as you.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From richard.a.reed at navy.mil  Wed Jan  5 04:37:48 2005
From: richard.a.reed at navy.mil (Reed, Richard A.  USNUNK NAVAIR 104, 110)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:37:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules or Economy J mixer
Message-ID: <1137C4B4B937B0439C415898A09BEC2A27023C@NAEALTLCEX03VA.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil>

	
   Can anyone give me the dimensions for the top opening of the J mixer off of a Hercules or Economy engine. I only need the dimensions from engines 4hp and below. I 
am making models of the J mixers so I can cast some new ones. I already have the dimensions for engines 5hp and up. Also, I am in need of a clutch pulley for a 5hp Hercules if anyone has one they don't know what to do with . Thanks.

  Rich Reed
Southern Maryland


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jan  5 05:00:23 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:00:23 +0800
Subject: [SEL] old hand pump
Message-ID: <001901c4f326$89b62920$7ccd3dca@ogborneuah38i3>

I have an old hand pump .......'' monkey tail'' type . It has a fairly
indistinct cast name on it  MIDCON, a patent date of 1842. Sounds like it is
American made . Does anyone know anything about the make ?
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan  5 06:20:24 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:20:24 -0700
Subject: [SEL] More on Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, & browning iron
References: <20050105100809.58155.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV21485AEDD71D55AC97556CBB920@phx.gbl>

Howdy from 12 below..jus about right!

No, my intention was never to do the big castings.  Just the smaller items. 
The bigger ones I will blast, smooth out, and paint.  Knobs, cranks, etc. 
are what I was thinking of.  Rust is not a big problem here.  This lathe was 
in Seattle for a while so that explains a lot.

  Yesterday the carriage came off and somewhat disassembled it.  The manual 
traverse (X axis) gears are pretty much shot, but they still work.  Pretty 
much down to earth straight cut gears (3) and will be looking for 
replacements.  The other gears in the carriage look good..halfnut is a 
little tired.  I'll paint the carriage.  Lead screw is good.

  Ways are tolerable as are the other dovetail(?) ways and guides.  The 
headstock will not come apart soon..jus one item at a time.

  My biggest decision is how to mount what I'm going to call the belt 
mandrel.  I believe this lathe was intended for line shaft operation as the 
flat belt has to go directly above the headstock.  Some Seneca Falls "Stars" 
had provisions for mounting the motor and mandrel..mine doesn't.  I really 
don't want to mount the mandrel to the wall behind as I have a zillion wires 
thru the studs and don't want to screw up the tunes :-).  Possibly some sort 
of nice looking framework could be built and keep it freestanding.

Well, enuf for now.  Good luck on your shop Rich and THANKS MUCH!!!  I'll 
try to get some more pictures posted re: the lathe.

Hopefully "Working and playing safe"

RickinMt. 


From glenn.karch at gte.net  Wed Jan  5 07:26:45 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:26:45 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Hercules or Economy J mixer
References: <1137C4B4B937B0439C415898A09BEC2A27023C@NAEALTLCEX03VA.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil>
Message-ID: <002101c4f33a$f9e1e400$6529ea41@oemcomputer>

Rich.

The top opening on the 3 1/4" and 3 5/8" bore engines ( 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 HP)
is 3/4" pipe.  The top opening on the 4" and 4 1/4" bore engines ( 2 1/2 to
3 1/2 HP)  is 1" pipe.

Are you going to cast these mixers around a close pipe nipple like the
originals?

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Reed, Richard A. USNUNK NAVAIR 104, 110" <richard.a.reed at navy.mil>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 6:37 AM
Subject: [SEL] Hercules or Economy J mixer



   Can anyone give me the dimensions for the top opening of the J mixer off
of a Hercules or Economy engine. I only need the dimensions from engines 4hp
and below. I
am making models of the J mixers so I can cast some new ones. I already have
the dimensions for engines 5hp and up. Also, I am in need of a clutch pulley
for a 5hp Hercules if anyone has one they don't know what to do with .
Thanks.

  Rich Reed
Southern Maryland
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From BillMil357 at aol.com  Wed Jan  5 07:36:06 2005
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:36:06 EST
Subject: [SEL] old hand pump
Message-ID: <fa.9d9f3f1.2f0d6366@aol.com>

Hey Peter;
 
I also have a hand pump, I believe it was made to pump water up to a tank  in 
the attic then it would run back down to the kitchen sink, I can not find  a 
name on it any where, from the looks of the paint inside the pump and the  
gray cast iron, I don't believe this pump was ever used. I want to make a  
display  with the pump and my 1 3/4 S Hercules engine, see the three  pictures of 
the display in the middle of the page that I saw at the SIAM show  last June. I 
hope someone can tell me what make this pump is. See pictures  here,
 
_http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV_ 
(http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV) 
 
And here is the pumpjack that Paul Maples picked up for me at Portland last  
year,
 
_http://community.webshots.com/album/182220381JvIvgh_ 
(http://community.webshots.com/album/182220381JvIvgh) 
 
See ya,
 
Bill Miller
Memphis, TN.


From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jan  5 08:03:00 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:03:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules or Economy J mixer
In-Reply-To: <002101c4f33a$f9e1e400$6529ea41@oemcomputer>
References: <1137C4B4B937B0439C415898A09BEC2A27023C@NAEALTLCEX03VA.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil>
	<002101c4f33a$f9e1e400$6529ea41@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <41DC0FB4.3030704@imc-group.com>

Glenn,
Just curious, do you think Herc cast the J mixer around the close nipple 
just to save a drill and tap operation?
Is there any removing the nipple from the mixer? I've never tried, they 
always unscrew from the head very nicely.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Glenn A Karch wrote:

>Rich.
>
>The top opening on the 3 1/4" and 3 5/8" bore engines ( 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 HP)
>is 3/4" pipe.  The top opening on the 4" and 4 1/4" bore engines ( 2 1/2 to
>3 1/2 HP)  is 1" pipe.
>
>Are you going to cast these mixers around a close pipe nipple like the
>originals?
>
>Glenn
>
>Glenn Karch
>Haubstadt, IN, USA
>Hercules Historian
>  
>



From garyepps at fidnet.com  Wed Jan  5 08:00:31 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:00:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <41DBD8E4.9050801@comcast.net>
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>	<41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net>	<00a201c4f250$a0917810$2ed03dca@ogborneuah38i3>
	<41DBD8E4.9050801@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <41DC0F1F.1080606@fidnet.com>

Ok Guys, I think it's about time for everyone to go out to where you 
keep your engines and spend a couple of hours spinning the flywheels of 
your 'hardest to start' engine.  It sounds like it's time to burn up 
some of this 'cabin fever' energy, otherwise our Flame Mistress may be 
too busy.

Gary

lightningrod wrote:
> peter ogborne wrote:
> 
>> ''lightning rod''.........interesting slant on things that you have !So
>> charity really begins at home with you . I am sure that you are on 
>> your own
>> with your bigoted comments and that your fellow country men would no 
>> doubt
>> shudder at your crassness and insular attitude.
>> A point to think about ...the US is the strongest power in the world, 
>> do you
>> really need help from lesser powers.But if you are inteligent enough to
>> perhaps inquire you will find that many countries helped and are still
>> helping your war on terror in Iraq. Countries like Portugal, Spain ,
>> Australia ,Japan ,UK, Italy ,many of the eastern block countries[ as 
>> you are
>> no doubt a very blinkered person you may have to get out an atlas to see
>> where these countries are] .As a reminder my country supplied fire 
>> fighters
>> for your fires in California.
>> Original Message -----
>> From: "lightningrod" <guitronics at comcast.net>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 8:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>> George Best wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> I agree with John.
>>>>
>>>> While the tsunami damage is tremendous and has the attention of the
>>>> whole world, we shouldn't forget the groups that have received funds
>>>>     
>>>> from us in the past. Some of the groups like the Tod engine project
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> don't have the benefit of countries trying to out do each other in 
>>>> their
>>>> amount of giving.
>>>>
>>>> There aren't other organizations donating money to them and cutting 
>>>> them
>>>> off doesn't seem right to me.
>>>>
>>>> We all have plenty of opportunities to donate to the various tsunami
>>>> relief organizations. Hijacking this years donations and redirecting
>>>> them to the tsunami aid isn't the only way to help.
>>>>
>>>> The charity auction has already suffered this year by lack of items
>>>> being listed and buyers. (I know I'm guilty this year, I've donated in
>>>> the past and have bought in the past but just couldn't get excited 
>>>> about
>>>> it this year) Changing the recipient of the donations to a world cause,
>>>> is kind of getting away from what I thought the intent of the charity
>>>> auction was.
>>>>
>>>> George
>>>> Add me to the grouch list ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jfgrant
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:48 AM
>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group;
>>>>> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>> Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
>>>>>
>>>>> Spencer & List Members.
>>>>> At the risk of being labeled a "Grouch" I would say that we
>>>>> really need to think about Spencer's motion. Traditionally we
>>>>> have supported local needs and while I know there are
>>>>> tremendous needs resulting from the Tsunami, the needs in
>>>>> local areas have not gone away.
>>>>> I fear that many if not most of the local needs will be
>>>>> passed over or forgotten in light of the new need.
>>>>> We as a Nation are already contributing much $$$ which is
>>>>> fine and great but we as a small organization and other small
>>>>> groups are what fund many of the local needs and the
>>>>> Government does not fund these worthwhile small charities.
>>>>> Just My Thoughts. I will support what ever the group decides.
>>>>> Respectfully,  John Grant
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>       
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>
>>> My $0.02... Where was the world when 9/11 hit US? Dancing in the
>>> streets. No help.What about the Forest fires during the drought before
>>> 2004? No help. How about the hurricanes in Florida this last year? No
>>> help. Floods in the south this year? No help.War on terror? A little
>>> help, but mostly a slap in the face. When did any other Country help the
>>> US? They must have, at some point.....No,they didn't help US, we went to
>>> war for THEM!
>>>
>>> Tsunami....yeah, a tragedy,a real disaster.OK, Japan kicked in 20 Mil,
>>> that was nice....How much is China giving? Who? What? ....and Russia?
>>> Faghettabottit.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>  
>>
> OK,I'm a Bigot.Thanks for the firefighting help,I was making a general 
> statement, not trying to get into a microcosm of the entire history of 
> who helped who. IN GENERAL, the U.S.A. has done far more for other 
> countries than was ever suggested. A natural disaster happens, the U.S. 
> is expected to fix it, in fact; it is somehow our fault. I sure am happy 
> I'm not as intelligent as you.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From glenn.karch at gte.net  Wed Jan  5 10:40:29 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:40:29 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Hercules or Economy J mixer
References: <1137C4B4B937B0439C415898A09BEC2A27023C@NAEALTLCEX03VA.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil><002101c4f33a$f9e1e400$6529ea41@oemcomputer>
	<41DC0FB4.3030704@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c4f356$0a59a280$f229ea41@oemcomputer>

Curt,

I don't know for sure why Hercules cast the mixer around the pipe nipple.
Very early mixers had the threads cut directly onto the J mixer casting.  I
suppose there was a problem with breakage.  If you manage to unscrew or chip
out the nipple from the mixer, you will find that the threads were somewhat
melted together.  You can't screw a new nipple in because of the
distortion..  The only way to put a new nipple in is to grind the threads
down some untill it can be forced in along with JB weld.  It takes a little
trial and error preparation before you finally line it up and drive it home.
The hole isn't deep enough to use a pipe tap to clean up the threads unless
the tap is shortened accordingly and then it may still be tricky.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules or Economy J mixer


> Glenn,
> Just curious, do you think Herc cast the J mixer around the close nipple
> just to save a drill and tap operation?
> Is there any removing the nipple from the mixer? I've never tried, they
> always unscrew from the head very nicely.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> Glenn A Karch wrote:
>
> >Rich.
> >
> >The top opening on the 3 1/4" and 3 5/8" bore engines ( 1 1/2 to 2 1/2
HP)
> >is 3/4" pipe.  The top opening on the 4" and 4 1/4" bore engines ( 2 1/2
to
> >3 1/2 HP)  is 1" pipe.
> >
> >Are you going to cast these mixers around a close pipe nipple like the
> >originals?
> >
> >Glenn
> >
> >Glenn Karch
> >Haubstadt, IN, USA
> >Hercules Historian
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jan  5 15:14:59 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:14:59 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT  discussions
Message-ID: <002601c4f37c$66165390$5fce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>

I don't think that a bit of political discussion will hurt anyone ,nor does
it warrant an apology .Those of us who are mature enough to indulge no doubt
enjoy the mix of engines and OT . IN most cases it is ''Tongue in cheek'' If
it offends you then delete it . I would rather read something from our more
enlightened and humorous subscribers then to be told at some length as to
what happened last Monday ,nor do i need to be told to desist
Save us from the ''Politically Correct
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Jan  5 16:25:36 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:25:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] More on Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, & browning iron 
In-Reply-To: <20050105100809.58155.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050105100809.58155.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7C3BC656-5F79-11D9-B6DF-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> If you want to try out the blacking solution you can make up a
> quarter of a cup in an iron tin can like a Campbell?s soup can (not
> aluminum!) using a tablespoon of lye and a like amount of potassium
> nitrate (saltpeter)

And the easiest way to get potassium nitrate (which has been severely 
restricted in availability by the homeland-security types) is to go to 
a farm store and look for stump remover. Pure potassium nitrate, it 
fertilizes the bacteria and fungi that rot wood when you sprinkle it on 
a stump. Potassium or sodium nitrate is preferable to ammonium nitrate 
for the hot "bluing" because it produces little noxious fumes, but the 
first two have been restricted because of their utility in making black 
powder (and ammonium nitrate sales are more closely scrutinized these 
days, too.)

I think it's a sad day for America that our governments (states and 
localities are in on it, too) are widely restricting access to 
legitimate materials that MIGHT be misused by someone with criminal 
intent. (Either by legislative action, or simply by having detectives 
go around to stores to "enlist their voluntary cooperation in fighting 
the drug menace.") It's being done with pseudoephedrine, lye, muriatic 
acid, paint thinner, denatured alcohol, ammonia solutions stronger than 
the weak household ammonia, and anhydrous ammonia. All of these can be 
used in making "meth," but not everybody buying them is making "meth." 
But the current presumption is that you're an illegal drug manufacturer 
until proven otherwise.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Jan  5 16:28:44 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:28:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction, Now OT BS 
In-Reply-To: <41DBD8E4.9050801@comcast.net>
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>	<41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net>
	<00a201c4f250$a0917810$2ed03dca@ogborneuah38i3>
	<41DBD8E4.9050801@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <EC2AEEFC-5F79-11D9-B6DF-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> A natural disaster happens, the U.S. is expected to fix it, in fact; 
> it is somehow our fault.

In fact, I heard discussion on the radio today of a report that 
agitators in the Muslim world are spreading the "news" that the U.S. 
caused the tsunami as an attack on the Muslims of Indonesia and Sri 
Lanka.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Wed Jan  5 16:30:47 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:30:47 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT  discussions
References: <002601c4f37c$66165390$5fce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <000701c4f386$f767aab0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

Hi Peter, I like guys talking like you, because life is short
and you have to make the best of it.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



> I don't think that a bit of political discussion will hurt anyone ,nor does
> it warrant an apology .Those of us who are mature enough to indulge no doubt
> enjoy the mix of engines and OT . IN most cases it is ''Tongue in cheek'' If
> it offends you then delete it . I would rather read something from our more
> enlightened and humorous subscribers then to be told at some length as to
> what happened last Monday ,nor do i need to be told to desist
> Save us from the ''Politically Correct
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jan  5 13:12:42 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:12:42 +1100
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>	<41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net><00a201c4f250$a0917810$2ed03dca@ogborneuah38i3><41DBD8E4.9050801@comcast.net>
	<001001c4f323$1336a610$7ccd3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <00dd01c4f3d4$85fec860$36111bd3@athlon>

Yup! Definitely 'Cabin Fever"  !!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jan  6 02:00:25 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:00:25 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT  discussions
References: <002601c4f37c$66165390$5fce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <011901c4f3d6$8e5e1d60$36111bd3@athlon>

Hey Pete, the true heart of this list, and its ongoing success, it its
ability to allow the members to say what they feel about any subject.
IF it gets too much, then a member will say that it is time for 'Slick
Willie' to take over. This combination is what keeps us all together.
I am here for the 'long Haul" I keep quiet until I feel I need to butt in.
There are members who 'dont get on' but thats the score in any group.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message -----
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:14 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT discussions


> I don't think that a bit of political discussion will hurt anyone ,nor
does
> it warrant an apology .Those of us who are mature enough to indulge no
doubt
> enjoy the mix of engines and OT . IN most cases it is ''Tongue in cheek''
If
> it offends you then delete it . I would rather read something from our
more
> enlightened and humorous subscribers then to be told at some length as to
> what happened last Monday ,nor do i need to be told to desist
> Save us from the ''Politically Correct
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jan  6 02:06:28 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:06:28 +1100
Subject: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction, Now OT BS 
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10114FB1D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>	<41D9E0BC.9090506@comcast.net><00a201c4f250$a0917810$2ed03dca@ogborneuah38i3><41DBD8E4.9050801@comcast.net>
	<EC2AEEFC-5F79-11D9-B6DF-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <013f01c4f3d7$6738a420$36111bd3@athlon>

It seems there are two Mosques still standing in the hit areas. I will bet
that there will be a religeous reason for this!!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Charity auction, Now OT BS


> > A natural disaster happens, the U.S. is expected to fix it, in fact;
> > it is somehow our fault.
>
> In fact, I heard discussion on the radio today of a report that
> agitators in the Muslim world are spreading the "news" that the U.S.
> caused the tsunami as an attack on the Muslims of Indonesia and Sri
> Lanka.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Jan  6 03:48:28 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:48:28 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT  discussions
References: <002601c4f37c$66165390$5fce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
	<011901c4f3d6$8e5e1d60$36111bd3@athlon>
Message-ID: <001401c4f3e5$a9da1a80$eece3dca@ogborneuah38i3>

Reg ...what you are saying is the gist of what i said !
----- Original Message -----
From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT discussions


> Hey Pete, the true heart of this list, and its ongoing success, it its
> ability to allow the members to say what they feel about any subject.
> IF it gets too much, then a member will say that it is time for 'Slick
> Willie' to take over. This combination is what keeps us all together.
> I am here for the 'long Haul" I keep quiet until I feel I need to butt in.
> There are members who 'dont get on' but thats the score in any group.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:14 AM
> Subject: [SEL] OT discussions
>
>
> > I don't think that a bit of political discussion will hurt anyone ,nor
> does
> > it warrant an apology .Those of us who are mature enough to indulge no
> doubt
> > enjoy the mix of engines and OT . IN most cases it is ''Tongue in
cheek''
> If
> > it offends you then delete it . I would rather read something from our
> more
> > enlightened and humorous subscribers then to be told at some length as
to
> > what happened last Monday ,nor do i need to be told to desist
> > Save us from the ''Politically Correct
> > Peter Ogborne
> > Little Grove ,Albany
> > West Australia
> > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> > jopeter at omninet.net.au
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From Aermoter at aol.com  Thu Jan  6 08:05:12 2005
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:05:12 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT future rust collectors
Message-ID: <103.582b2796.2f0ebbb8@aol.com>

With the gracious help of Dave Croft I have some pictures posted of Nikolai 
and Yuriy now.  They can be seen at

Webshots - Images of Nikolai & Yuriy

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From nick at holden1.net  Thu Jan  6 08:31:04 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:31:04 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] Niagra
Message-ID: <41DD67C8.000003.01732@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Niagra used to make sand screens in Leicester UK they may have re badged
engines to sell with the screens 
nick

From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Thu Jan  6 08:50:47 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:50:47 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT future rust collectors
References: <103.582b2796.2f0ebbb8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41DD6C67.51B92533@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Tim

This will help:
http://community.webshots.com/album/244820995oQhbJx

Great pics!

Dolly

Aermoter at aol.com wrote:

> With the gracious help of Dave Croft I have some pictures posted of Nikolai
> and Yuriy now.  They can be seen at
>
> Webshots - Images of Nikolai & Yuriy
>

--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk





From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jan  6 09:12:39 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:12:39 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: OT future rust collectors
References: <103.582b2796.2f0ebbb8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c4f412$ee6bb000$8c9f0952@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Aermoter at aol.com 
  To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com ; stationary-engine at oldengine.org 
  Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 4:05 PM
  Subject: OT future rust collectors


  With the gracious help of Dave Croft I have some pictures posted of Nikolai and Yuriy now.  They can be seen at

  Webshots - Images of Nikolai & Yuriy

  Tim Christoff
  Basehor, Ks.
  Aermoter at aol.com

  Something seems to have gone wrong!
  Try http://community.webshots.com/album/244820995oQhbJx
  for some more cheerful pictures than on the TV at the moment.

  Dave Croft
  Warrington
  England
  http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

From yostsw at atis.net  Thu Jan  6 09:19:42 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:19:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: [AT] Charity auction
References: <005701c4f1e9$2edbb080$553eaf3f@AlComputer>
	<002201c4f1ed$3428d190$1fac41d8@D684CG51>
	<001401c4f1f1$8eba1a70$5b186544@toshiba>
	<200501061219120953.32AA94A0@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200501061219420718.32AB08E6@heavyiron.atis.net>

I have some family business out of town again and will be gone till the end
of the weekend.   I want to give you folks something to think about while I
am gone:

Why is it that those people who have stalwart opinions on how the auction
money should be spent, aren't so adamant when when it is time to bid or
donate?   There is a large percentage of folks posting opinions on spending
the money who didn't donate or bid.  In the past, with just a few
exceptions, only people that participated posted opinions.  Call me naive
but I thought that would occur again this year.

I will leave the category open till the end of the weekend and see those of
you who know how to spend the money also know how to donate and bid.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jan  6 09:49:53 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:49:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT future rust collectors
References: <103.582b2796.2f0ebbb8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c4f418$210e6340$966e8645@carolina.rr.com>

Tim:

  Really enjoyed the pic.  Brought back memories of Portland when you were
in the process of adoption.  Congratulations on a job well done.  As we say
in the south, "ya dun a good thang".

Mike Royster
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Aermoter at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 11:05 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT future rust collectors


> With the gracious help of Dave Croft I have some pictures posted of
Nikolai
> and Yuriy now.  They can be seen at
>
> Webshots - Images of Nikolai & Yuriy
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor, Ks.
> Aermoter at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From Aermoter at aol.com  Thu Jan  6 09:53:19 2005
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:53:19 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT future rust collectors
Message-ID: <1c0.223f9eba.2f0ed50f@aol.com>

Thanks Helen.  I had bookmarked the spot and my dang computer didn't save the 
address as it would be needed to go to the site, it only saved it as the 
title which would get me there but no one else.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Jan  6 10:30:48 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:30:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT future rust collectors
In-Reply-To: <103.582b2796.2f0ebbb8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200501061830.j06IUtxM086286@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

> With the gracious help of Dave Croft I have some pictures 
> posted of Nikolai 
> and Yuriy now.  They can be seen at

Couple a good lookin' kids, pops!





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jan  6 11:03:49 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:03:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] OT future rust collectors
In-Reply-To: <41DD6C67.51B92533@insulate.co.uk>
References: <103.582b2796.2f0ebbb8@aol.com> <41DD6C67.51B92533@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501061402230.36589@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Tim,

Great pics indeed.  As far as they go....

WHERE are the pics of Nikolai & Yuriy with their ENGINES????
8-))))

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Jim French wrote:

> This will help:
> http://community.webshots.com/album/244820995oQhbJx
>
> Aermoter at aol.com wrote:
>
> > With the gracious help of Dave Croft I have some pictures posted of Nikolai
> > and Yuriy now.  They can be seen at
> > Webshots - Images of Nikolai & Yuriy


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jan  6 12:54:35 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:54:35 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT future rust collectors
References: <103.582b2796.2f0ebbb8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV6B473CE4B58AF09B9B799BB930@phx.gbl>

Good job Mom and Pops...great lookin' kids.

Take Care,
RickinMt.
PS: Nice T-shirt pops!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Aermoter at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:05 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT future rust collectors


> With the gracious help of Dave Croft I have some pictures posted of 
> Nikolai
> and Yuriy now.  They can be seen at
>
> Webshots - Images of Nikolai & Yuriy
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor, Ks.
> Aermoter at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From sndakitto at rbm.com.au  Thu Jan  6 13:12:56 2005
From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 07:42:56 +1030
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
Message-ID: <001501c4f434$967456a0$2c51fea9@SKitto>

How many from the list are coming to Naracoorte for the National Rally? I am
interested to know.

Steve

Steve and Denise Kitto
4 Fifth Ave
Naracoorte
South Australia
Ph 08 87621147

As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
Proverbs 27:19



From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jan  6 13:54:48 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:54:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
In-Reply-To: <001501c4f434$967456a0$2c51fea9@SKitto>
References: <001501c4f434$967456a0$2c51fea9@SKitto>
Message-ID: <41DDB3A8.6000303@imc-group.com>

Missy and I are planning to attend. REALLY looking forward to seeing 
ya'll in 9 weeks!
We need to join someone's club to have proper insurance coverage, correct?
Anyone want a couple of Yanks to join your club?
Can we be of assistance transporting anything from the US to AU aboard 
the plane?
Curt & Missy Holland
Gastonia, NC USA

Steven N Kitto wrote:

>How many from the list are coming to Naracoorte for the National Rally? I am
>interested to know.
>
>Steve
>
>Steve and Denise Kitto
>4 Fifth Ave
>Naracoorte
>South Australia
>Ph 08 87621147
>
>As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
>Proverbs 27:19
>
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jan  6 14:07:35 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:07:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Years Day Crankup 2005
Message-ID: <41DDB6A7.2050708@imc-group.com>

On Monday Tommy Berry mentioned the New Years Day Crankup at his dad's 
place. Here is a link to the pictures of the engines and tractors there:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2005/Thumbnails.html

The top half of the thumbnails link to engine photos, and for the closet 
and out-of-the-closet FATG's, the bottom half are to tractor photos. The 
vast majority of the tractors were driven to the Crankup from 
surrounding farms.

For the model lover's you'll find several photos of Doug Kelley's tandem 
double acting engine. As always his work is breathtaking!

Hope you enjoy the pictures.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jan  6 15:05:41 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:05:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Years Day Crankup 2005
References: <41DDB6A7.2050708@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <003801c4f444$3fc8e360$966e8645@carolina.rr.com>

Beautiful pics!!!!!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:07 PM
Subject: [SEL] New Years Day Crankup 2005


> On Monday Tommy Berry mentioned the New Years Day Crankup at his dad's
> place. Here is a link to the pictures of the engines and tractors there:
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2005/Thumbnails.html
>
> The top half of the thumbnails link to engine photos, and for the closet
> and out-of-the-closet FATG's, the bottom half are to tractor photos. The
> vast majority of the tractors were driven to the Crankup from
> surrounding farms.
>
> For the model lover's you'll find several photos of Doug Kelley's tandem
> double acting engine. As always his work is breathtaking!
>
> Hope you enjoy the pictures.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  6 15:16:35 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:16:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT future rust collectors
In-Reply-To: <1c0.223f9eba.2f0ed50f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050106231635.7837.qmail@web61302.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Tim,

Your original message was to both the SEL and Jim's list.
On this Yahoo addy I have the two lists separated into two folders as they come in.  The link you
provided worked great on Jim's list, but somehow as it came through the SEL system is got killed
and was just text.  I guess for the SEL a simple url addy is best,,,,

Thanks again for sharing!!!!   I love them already!!!!

Alan Bowen


--- Aermoter at aol.com wrote:

> Thanks Helen.  I had bookmarked the spot and my dang computer didn't save the 
> address as it would be needed to go to the site, it only saved it as the 
> title which would get me there but no one else.
> 
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor, Ks.
> Aermoter at aol.com
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From Aermoter at aol.com  Thu Jan  6 15:47:25 2005
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:47:25 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT future rust collectors
Message-ID: <1ab.2f5a0c15.2f0f280d@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/6/2005 1:44:47 PM Central Standard Time, 
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:
WHERE are the pics of Nikolai & Yuriy with their ENGINES????
8-))))
They haven't had much of a chance to play with any engines yet, that will 
come as soon as it warms up.  They do like the version of the one cyl. single 
fire engine's pretty well though, they can't get enough of it when I have one out 
but then again, look at where they came from.  You would see those everyday 
in Russia.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From Aermoter at aol.com  Thu Jan  6 15:49:28 2005
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:49:28 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT future rust collectors
Message-ID: <1d2.2e365f07.2f0f2888@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/6/2005 3:05:05 PM Central Standard Time, 
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:
PS: Nice T-shirt pops!
Yes, I got a lot of strange looks from people when I wore those.  Had a 
different one on almost everyday.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  6 16:26:12 2005
From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:26:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
In-Reply-To: <001501c4f434$967456a0$2c51fea9@SKitto>
Message-ID: <20050107002612.17256.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com>

I'll be there!  Am very much looking forward to attending my second National. :)

Steven N Kitto <sndakitto at rbm.com.au> wrote:How many from the list are coming to Naracoorte for the National Rally? I am
interested to know.

Steve

Steve and Denise Kitto
4 Fifth Ave
Naracoorte
South Australia
Ph 08 87621147

As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
Proverbs 27:19

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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Jan  6 16:57:20 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:57:20 +0800
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
References: <001501c4f434$967456a0$2c51fea9@SKitto>
Message-ID: <002d01c4f453$dd04d1c0$c2ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>

Steven..........Jo and I decided that if the price of fuel[diesel]did not
improve then we give the rally a miss.
We wish you all the success for the Rally ,we know the effort you and your
fellow club members would have put in .There are a few from WA going .It is
hard enough to get people to travel lesser distances to local shows.
Unfortunately this is the way things have gone with fuel prices .
Have a good Rally........
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven N Kitto" <sndakitto at rbm.com.au>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 5:12 AM
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ


> How many from the list are coming to Naracoorte for the National Rally? I
am
> interested to know.
>
> Steve
>
> Steve and Denise Kitto
> 4 Fifth Ave
> Naracoorte
> South Australia
> Ph 08 87621147
>
> As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
> Proverbs 27:19
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From avanti_64 at juno.com  Thu Jan  6 18:12:29 2005
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 02:12:29 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Galloway Cam Gear
Message-ID: <20050106.181311.20829.27800@webmail18.lax.untd.com>


Hi Guys, Does anyone need a cam gear for a 1 3/4 - 2 1/4 Galloway? I have one available. It has 60 teeth. I can send you a pic if you need one. Hit and Miss has one for $85.00. I will use you a lot better on this... Thanks, Joe Kelley

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From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jan  6 18:13:09 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:13:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Years Day Crankup 2005
Message-ID: <20050106.213025.1296.7.jlb94@juno.com>

Holly Cow Curt,

When I say I had our own little Engine Show - I mean it in jest.

I'm lucky to have 2 engines running.

No match to what you have there.

Great Pics.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From ozengine at yahoo.com.au  Thu Jan  6 18:37:37 2005
From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:37:37 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re:Old hand pump
Message-ID: <20050107023737.41683.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com>

G'day Peter

The "Midcon" name would refer to "Middleton,
Connecticut" or Mid'ton..." I would think. One of the
manufacturers is (er...was) W&B Douglas. It was
sometimes cast into the pump spout perhaps on the
other side of the Midcon bit. Maybe what you got is a
Douglas. These are nice units. Stick it in your garden
where you keep all your engines....but make it pump.
Should have a number on the body. No 0 was smallest No
9 biggest. If it has a fluted body that's r-e-a-l
nice.

Cheers

Graham in Oz




Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:00:23 +0800
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
Subject: [SEL] old hand pump
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID:
<001901c4f326$89b62920$7ccd3dca at ogborneuah38i3>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="Windows-1252"

I have an old hand pump .......'' monkey tail'' type .
It has a 
fairly
indistinct cast name on it  MIDCON, a patent date of
1842. Sounds 
like it is
American made . Does anyone know anything about the
make ?
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au


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From BillMil357 at aol.com  Thu Jan  6 19:24:39 2005
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:24:39 EST
Subject: [SEL] Re:Old hand pump
Message-ID: <db.1d5db516.2f0f5af7@aol.com>

Hi Graham;
 
Have you ever seen a pump like mine at this link, and might know who made  it,
 
_http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV_ 
(http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV) 
 
Thanks,
 
Bill Miller
Memphis, TN.
 


From glenn.karch at gte.net  Thu Jan  6 19:45:52 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:45:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need an address
Message-ID: <004d01c4f46b$6493c3a0$3b29ea41@oemcomputer>

Does anyone out there have Denis Rouleau's email address?

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Jan  6 20:18:35 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:18:35 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Need an address
In-Reply-To: <004d01c4f46b$6493c3a0$3b29ea41@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <200501070418.j074Ie9p018672@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


 
> Does anyone out there have Denis Rouleau's email address?

denis.rouleau at videotron.ca











From old_iron at msn.com  Thu Jan  6 22:13:08 2005
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:13:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT discussions
In-Reply-To: <002601c4f37c$66165390$5fce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <BAY4-F17125E5208869BF1AF546AE7940@phx.gbl>

AMEN!! Peter

Peg Pfeiffer

>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] OT  discussions
>Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:14:59 +0800
>
>I don't think that a bit of political discussion will hurt anyone ,nor does
>it warrant an apology .Those of us who are mature enough to indulge no 
>doubt
>enjoy the mix of engines and OT . IN most cases it is ''Tongue in cheek'' 
>If
>it offends you then delete it . I would rather read something from our more
>enlightened and humorous subscribers then to be told at some length as to
>what happened last Monday ,nor do i need to be told to desist
>Save us from the ''Politically Correct
>Peter Ogborne
>Little Grove ,Albany
>West Australia
>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jan  7 03:41:18 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:41:18 +1100
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
In-Reply-To: <001501c4f434$967456a0$2c51fea9@SKitto>
Message-ID: <200501071141.j07BfOO1060168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi Steve,
	Due to work commitments I will sadly not be taking an engine to the
National. I am going to try and at least get down for a look on that
weekend.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

----Original Message-----
How many from the list are coming to Naracoorte for the National Rally? I am
interested to know.

Steve

Steve and Denise Kitto




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jan  7 03:59:57 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:59:57 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives
Message-ID: <200501071200.j07C05Aq072835@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Today the No.1A Eclipse I bought in June 2003 finally came to life. I took
it up to Edd's place to pick up the magneto bracket and gears Edd had made
for the engine. These were missing when I bought the engine. Ron came along
for the ride as he always likes to be in on some engine fun.
We found that the engines timing was wrong and it was loosing compression.
The easiest way to adjust the exhaust timing is to split the engine and lift
the crank. I went even further and pulled the piston out as well. After a
good clean we found the gudgeon to be a little worn but useable but the big
end was a work of art. The bearing had been repoured at some point and to
say it looked a little wild would not be exaggerating.
We put the engine back together with the exhaust timing now correct but
found the compression was now all getting out the exhaust valve. Edd found
that the stem was bent and fixed it. He fitted the magneto off his Eclipse
(it was a known good magneto). We used a jar as a fuel tank as both the
tanks I have are full of s**t. I spun the engine with the crank handle with
Edd holding the intake valve and as soon as he let it go it fired. The
governor latched correctly and the little engine ran very sweetly and
surprisingly quietly. Edd had to keep the engine chocked as the jar was a
little low for the engine to lift the fuel effectively.
A good way to start the New Year with another engine brought back from the
dead :)
Here are some pics of it running:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/05010701.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/05010702.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/05010703.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/05010704.JPG


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jan  7 04:07:53 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 23:07:53 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A fun engine day in Oz
Message-ID: <200501071208.j07C7xc6077510@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Our trip today to pick up the magneto bracket for the 1A Eclipse and to get
it running was also to drop of the spare piston for the YC Stover to allow
for the new sleeve to be machined to suit.
Edd ran some of his lovely engines for Ron and I and, as ever, they ran very
nicely.
On the way home we visited Kerry Morris' place and found Cam Grundy there.
Cam was on his way home after picking up a fantastic new engine. I will
leave it to Cam to reveal what it is ;)
Kerry took us to his new shed to see the recently arrived Reid. I have now
seen my first oil field engine! It is an impressive beast and it will be
nice to see it running.
We traveled some 560km today to play engines. It will be hard to return to
work on Monday after ending my holiday with a bang. 

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From bethell1 at iinet.net.au  Fri Jan  7 04:37:37 2005
From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (jim bethell)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 23:37:37 +1100
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
References: 87411837
Message-ID: <001701c4f4b5$ac7197c0$47eccecb@default>

Steve, Have booked in and rearing to travel from sunny Mildura.  Come on
March.
Jim
Jim Bethell
Mildura "Gateway to the outback"
bethell1 at iinet.net..au
http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven N Kitto" <sndakitto at rbm.com.au>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 8:12 AM
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ


> How many from the list are coming to Naracoorte for the National Rally? I
am
> interested to know.
>
> Steve
>
> Steve and Denise Kitto
> 4 Fifth Ave
> Naracoorte
> South Australia
> Ph 08 87621147
>
> As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
> Proverbs 27:19
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jan  7 05:10:01 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 06:10:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Galloway Cam Gear
References: <20050106.181311.20829.27800@webmail18.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV60F6B74198679B2AA0BF4BB940@phx.gbl>

Joe, I need one for my 3hp.  Today I will count the teeth on the crank gear 
and get back to ya.

Thanks much!!
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <avanti_64 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 7:12 PM
Subject: [SEL] Galloway Cam Gear


>
> Hi Guys, Does anyone need a cam gear for a 1 3/4 - 2 1/4 Galloway? I have 
> one available. It has 60 teeth. I can send you a pic if you need one. Hit 
> and Miss has one for $85.00. I will use you a lot better on this... 
> Thanks, Joe Kelley
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Jan  7 08:06:40 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:06:40 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Models
Message-ID: <200501071606.j07G6gMW013801@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

 
Some guys like to work in cast iron.  Some like to work in brass or aluminum.
Others prefer different materials... 
 
http://home.clara.net/rogerpattenden/html/beam_engine.html
 
http://home.clara.net/rogerpattenden/
 

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com <http://www.rustyiron.com/>  

 


From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  7 12:09:52 2005
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 07:09:52 +1100
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
In-Reply-To: <001501c4f434$967456a0$2c51fea9@SKitto>
Message-ID: <BAY102-F18EE72FEBAD05F14A6BE41BA940@phx.gbl>

Hi Steven, wild horses wont keep me from attending, cant wait. Dave  from 
warrnambool. vic

>From: "Steven N Kitto" <sndakitto at rbm.com.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>CC: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
>Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 07:42:56 +1030
>
>How many from the list are coming to Naracoorte for the National Rally? I 
>am
>interested to know.
>
>Steve
>
>Steve and Denise Kitto
>4 Fifth Ave
>Naracoorte
>South Australia
>Ph 08 87621147
>
>As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
>Proverbs 27:19
>
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Fri Jan  7 12:53:02 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 07:53:02 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A fun engine day in Oz
References: <200501071208.j07C7xc6077510@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <001001c4f4fa$e25d8e80$8f85dccb@oemcomputer>

Sure was a great day!.Friends with engines,what else is there.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 11:07
Subject: [SEL] A fun engine day in Oz


> Our trip today to pick up the magneto bracket for the 1A Eclipse and to
get



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jan  7 16:08:48 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:08:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Galloway Cam Gear
References: <20050106.181311.20829.27800@webmail18.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV27FBBF0CC26B0F048B6273BB950@phx.gbl>

It looks like it will work on my 3hp "Bulldog style" Galloway, Joe.  Contact 
me off list if you prefer and we'll work something out.

later,
RickinMt.
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com




----- Original Message ----- 
From: <avanti_64 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 7:12 PM
Subject: [SEL] Galloway Cam Gear


>
> Hi Guys, Does anyone need a cam gear for a 1 3/4 - 2 1/4 Galloway? I have 
> one available. It has 60 teeth. I can send you a pic if you need one. Hit 
> and Miss has one for $85.00. I will use you a lot better on this... 
> Thanks, Joe Kelley
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
> Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand.
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan  7 16:11:53 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:11:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built
Message-ID: <00e301c4f516$aabe7270$230110ac@PAUL>

Hey Gang it seems as though things are a little slow on the List tonight so I thought I would share with you a few pictures of (2) Model Wooden Forklifts I just finished building for my two (6) Year Old Twin Grandsons Birthday this Saturday. No big deal but something a little different. I used Padauk, PurpleHeart, Oak, White Pine, and Birch to make them:

http://client.webshots.com/slideshow?ID=246390377&key=UWKzCC

Paul


From brianne at ultratune.com.au  Fri Jan  7 17:20:13 2005
From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:20:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin
Message-ID: <004a01c4f520$38b98f20$db54dccb@pcuser>

Hi Guys
Having now completed our IH3M restoration, our next project is the railway people mover which used to ferry workers along the Urangan Pier when large ships used to dock there.
This unit has a Wisconsin engine which drives a gearbox via a triple belt drive which then drives the axle via a chain. We removed the engine yesterday and all bolts came out ok.
Engine appears seized, will find out for sure next week.
Built by Ronaldsen and Tippet
Model is ABNLD
The serial No. is 101680 
3 X 3 1/4
2200rpm
It has a Lucas magneto SR1. Appears to have marking MKNA  39
Coil ignition
Remote driven generator (Chain drive)
Looking forward to eventually being able to drive it along the short stretch of railway track that we have at the Museum.
To view picture, go to :
http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html
then click on Machinery.
The nickname of the unit is "Radish" and it was donated to the Museum by Caltex when the rail lines were removed from the pier.
If anyone has any info ref these engines, age,history etc, we would be pleased to hear from you.
Brian Taylor
Hervey Bay Museum
QLD
Australia

From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Fri Jan  7 19:00:49 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:00:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
References: 87411837 <001701c4f4b5$ac7197c0$47eccecb@default>
Message-ID: <00c601c4f52e$4273c2c0$833354d2@cam>

Hi Jim
         How the hell are you, I am coming down but will be staying at the
caravan park, I have made plans to spend Friday night at the grounds to
catch up with you boys and a few beers, is Russell going, I just picked up
3hp hopper cooled Austral yesterday. Regards Cam
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jim bethell" <bethell1 at iinet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] National Rally in OZ


> Steve, Have booked in and rearing to travel from sunny Mildura.  Come on
> March.
> Jim
> Jim Bethell
> Mildura "Gateway to the outback"
> bethell1 at iinet.net..au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven N Kitto" <sndakitto at rbm.com.au>
> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 8:12 AM
> Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
>
>
> > How many from the list are coming to Naracoorte for the National Rally?
I
> am
> > interested to know.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > Steve and Denise Kitto
> > 4 Fifth Ave
> > Naracoorte
> > South Australia
> > Ph 08 87621147
> >
> > As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
> > Proverbs 27:19
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
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From froberts at dodo.com.au  Fri Jan  7 19:07:50 2005
From: froberts at dodo.com.au (Fred Roberts)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:07:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
References: <001501c4f434$967456a0$2c51fea9@SKitto>
Message-ID: <004701c4f52f$3deb10e0$7b85dccb@froberts>


Hello Steve .
Looking foreward to meeting you there,we are booked into the caravan park
with 2 other couples also from the list and in the company of Curt from the
10th and leave on the 14th.Really looking foreward to this rally as I
believe it is a beautiful part of the country.
Regards
Fred & Fay>



From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  7 19:20:30 2005
From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:20:30 +1100
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
In-Reply-To: <001501c4f434$967456a0$2c51fea9@SKitto>
Message-ID: <BAY13-F315624DE9C2C9143786802A3950@phx.gbl>


Will be there for sure Steve. Really looking forward to it.

Regards,
Lyndsay .




>From: "Steven N Kitto" <sndakitto at rbm.com.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>CC: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
>Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 07:42:56 +1030
>
>How many from the list are coming to Naracoorte for the National Rally? I 
>am
>interested to know.
>
>Steve
>
>Steve and Denise Kitto
>4 Fifth Ave
>Naracoorte
>South Australia
>Ph 08 87621147
>
>As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
>Proverbs 27:19
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Fri Jan  7 19:47:58 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:47:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives
References: <200501071200.j07C05Aq072835@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <012f01c4f534$d867c3c0$833354d2@cam>

Are you going to paint it or leave it in the raw.
       ps Good looking bloke that Edd Payne
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 10:59 PM
Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives


> Today the No.1A Eclipse I bought in June 2003 finally came to life. I took
> it up to Edd's place to pick up the magneto bracket and gears Edd had made
> for the engine. These were missing when I bought the engine. Ron came
along
> for the ride as he always likes to be in on some engine fun.
> We found that the engines timing was wrong and it was loosing compression.
> The easiest way to adjust the exhaust timing is to split the engine and
lift
> the crank. I went even further and pulled the piston out as well. After a
> good clean we found the gudgeon to be a little worn but useable but the
big
> end was a work of art. The bearing had been repoured at some point and to
> say it looked a little wild would not be exaggerating.
> We put the engine back together with the exhaust timing now correct but
> found the compression was now all getting out the exhaust valve. Edd found
> that the stem was bent and fixed it. He fitted the magneto off his Eclipse
> (it was a known good magneto). We used a jar as a fuel tank as both the
> tanks I have are full of s**t. I spun the engine with the crank handle
with
> Edd holding the intake valve and as soon as he let it go it fired. The
> governor latched correctly and the little engine ran very sweetly and
> surprisingly quietly. Edd had to keep the engine chocked as the jar was a
> little low for the engine to lift the fuel effectively.
> A good way to start the New Year with another engine brought back from the
> dead :)
> Here are some pics of it running:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/05010701.JPG
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/05010702.JPG
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/05010703.JPG
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/05010704.JPG
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
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From froberts at dodo.com.au  Fri Jan  7 19:41:03 2005
From: froberts at dodo.com.au (Fred Roberts)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:41:03 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A fun engine day in Oz
References: <200501071208.j07C7xc6077510@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<001001c4f4fa$e25d8e80$8f85dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <00b701c4f533$e131efe0$7b85dccb@froberts>


Hello Patrick
Thanks for the pics,well done on getting the Eeclipse running and Edd your
summary was very appropiate.
Regards
Fred



From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Fri Jan  7 20:03:53 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:03:53 +1100
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
References: <001501c4f434$967456a0$2c51fea9@SKitto>
Message-ID: <015c01c4f537$11e2d020$833354d2@cam>

Hi Steve I went the wrong way about letting you know with the other email so
I will do it again with this one. I will be there staying at one of the
Caravan Parks. Regards Cam
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven N Kitto" <sndakitto at rbm.com.au>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 8:12 AM
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ


> How many from the list are coming to Naracoorte for the National Rally? I
am
> interested to know.
>
> Steve
>
> Steve and Denise Kitto
> 4 Fifth Ave
> Naracoorte
> South Australia
> Ph 08 87621147
>
> As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
> Proverbs 27:19
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jan  7 20:25:44 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 23:25:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built
Message-ID: <20050107.234246.1288.7.jlb94@juno.com>

Verrrryy Nice PAul,

Around here, I would hear - - - "Someone has toooo much time on his
hands".

But - Then - - - I hear that anyway.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan  7 21:43:49 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 23:43:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built
References: <20050107.234246.1288.7.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c4f545$09fc6160$230110ac@PAUL>

Thanks Joe.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built


> Verrrryy Nice PAul,
> 
> Around here, I would hear - - - "Someone has toooo much time on his
> hands".
> 
> But - Then - - - I hear that anyway.
> 
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
> jlb94 at juno.com
> ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
> \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
> (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
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From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  7 20:39:16 2005
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:39:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine
Message-ID: <20050108043916.38276.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com>

I have been trying to find a small bench top size maypole-type braiding
machine run by a hand crank or fractional horsepower electric motor.
The so-called maypole braid is what is used for making shoe laces,
braided polypropylene utility rope, braided leather bolo neck ties,
police whistle neck lanyards, key ring lanyards, whips, and other such
items. The braid is round and hollow (shoelaces are flattened by
ironing them), and always composed of even numbers of flat or round
lacing braided under and over each other, not twisted as for rope.
Other examples are the braided steel wire reinforcing for high pressure
hydraulic hoses, the shielding braid on coaxial TV-VCR cable, garden
hose reinforcing, etc. I hope those are enough examples to get across
the idea of what kind of machine I am looking for. The commercial
machines are manufactured by Wardwell and sell for about as much as a
new car and are capable of making miles of braid per day, but I neither
need nor can afford one of those. I know the hand operated ones exist
because one of my childhood neighbors had one for braiding leather
bullwhips. I have done exhaustive Internet searches and have been
looking on eBay and other places for both new and antique machines for
several years and the results I get are rumors that the only places
where they regularly show up is at antique engine/equipment shows. If
anyone runs across the whereabouts of one of these elusive maypole/whip
braiding machines, please email me at:

linstrum55 at yahoo.com

Thanks!

Richard Allen




From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  7 20:44:35 2005
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:44:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Cutting Metric Threads on Adapted Inch System Lathes
Message-ID: <20050108044435.71448.qmail@web52708.mail.yahoo.com>

Cutting Metric Threads on Adapted Inch System Lathes
Cutting Odd-Numbered Fine Pitch Threads 

All lathes that are set up in the inch system of measurement that are
adapted for cutting metric threads have an inherent and rather
astounding flaw. With these lathes the standard procedures and
practices that work fine for cutting inch measurement threads will not
work at all when cutting metric threads. When cutting a metric thread
the carriage feed screw timing indicator will no longer indicate when
to engage the carriage feed half nut so that the cutter will follow the
thread once it is established. Thread cutting requires both exact
rotational and positional timing between the head spindle and the
carriage feed screw and when the metric thread adapter gears are
installed the thread timing pickup dial (thread chasing dial) lacks the
necessary gear ratio to show the positional timing aspect between these
two rotating parts. This means that when the carriage feed half nut is
released to stop the carriage motion after the first pass of the
cutting tool is made the positional timing between the head spindle and
carriage feed screw is lost. When the thread timing pickup dial (thread
chasing dial) that is turned by the carriage feed screw shows that it
is in time and ready to pick up the thread again for the subsequent
passes that are needed to complete cutting the thread, the positional
timing is in reality off and the second pass will not coincide with the
thread groove established by the first pass of the thread cutting tool.
This is caused by the gear ratio change gears that are needed to
convert from one inch of carriage travel to 0.3937 inches of carriage
travel. The gear pair used to generate this conversion ratio usually
has 127 and 50 teeth (or a multiple of this ratio), which gives the
exact and precise metric-to-inch ratio of 2.54 to 1. With these gears
the absolute minimum number of turns the head spindle has to make
before the carriage feed screw again comes into positional timing with
it is 127 turns. This is because 127 is a prime number, which means
that it is only divisible by itself and one. This consequently leads to
the great number of turns required before the positional timing comes
into alignment again. With thread pitches that are either a multiple or
fraction of one centimeter, the number of turns gets even greater
before it is in time once more. For a few of the finer pitched threads
the number of turns the head spindle has to make gets up around 22,225
turns before coming up to being timed once more and even at a head
spindle speed of 1000 rpm this takes over twenty-two minutes! Normally,
this timing problem is avoided by simply stopping the lathe, reversing
the head spindle rotation without disengaging any of the carriage feed
drive gears, and then running the lathe backwards until the lathe
carriage backs up to the starting point of the thread. This is where
some major problems come into play. Large capacitor-start induction
motors can only be started about once every five minutes on a
continuous basis because of heat buildup in the starting capacitor bank
and starting windings, and they will very quickly burn out if used this
way. Stopping the motor in order to reverse its direction and then
waiting for it to cool down before starting it again consequently leads
to a great deal of wasted time unless there is a direction reverser
gear and clutch on the motor so it does not have to be stopped, and
most lathes are not set up this way. The alternative to the reverse
gear and clutch is a variable speed reversible DC drive, but they are
not common, either. The carriage drive screw rotation reversing gears
cannot be used to back the carriage up, either, because if they are
disengaged then the timing is lost. Cutting threads on a lathe is time
consuming even with all of the added features that help to make it
easy, so with the additional time required to stop and back up the
lathe for cutting metric threads it becomes intolerable for repetitive
or production work, especially when cutting a long section of fine
threads. For example, it may take two minutes for the carriage to
traverse a long run of very fine threads, so it requires an additional
two minutes to run the lathe backwards to get the tool back to the
starting point. With a similar inch-measurement thread pitch it still
takes around two minutes to run the carriage forward, but it only takes
a few seconds to return the carriage by hand and then wait a short time
longer for the timing marks to line up again before making the next
cut. This disparity caused by running the lathe backwards makes cutting
metric threads take nearly twice as long as inch threads under the very
best of conditions, besides also wearing out the lathe by running it
backwards unnecessarily. There are two ways to remedy this, the first
is to get a lathe that is set up for metric measurement, which then
causes the same rotational timing and time consumption problems when
cutting inch threads. The second, and most practical solution, is to
reset the tool point to the correct timing position after disengaging
the carriage drive and moving the carriage to the starting position by
hand. The tool point timing position is very easily reset by using a
dial indicator in conjunction with the compound feed, which is set at
0? so its travel is parallel with the carriage travel and then is used
to move the cutting tool point back and forth the required small amount
so that it is lined up with the thread groove being machined. This can
be accomplished very easily by making temporary timing marks on the
chuck and an adjacent stationary structure with a felt tip pen. It may
be necessary to ?C? clamp a piece of cardboard (or like material such
as a piece of sheet metal, etc.) up close to the chuck in an out of the
way position to draw the stationary timing mark on with which to line
up the mark on the chuck. The steady rest or tailstock can be used to
mount the dial indicator on and the reading taken from the tool holder
or tool bit itself, whichever is most accessible. Before actually
drawing the alignment marks, the carriage has to be backed up slightly
outside of the thread starting position. The carriage feed half nut is
then engaged and the carriage driven up to the start of the thread by
turning the chuck by hand. This is to take all the slack out of the
gears and carriage feed, so be sure to initially back the carriage up
far enough to accomplish this. Draw the timing mark lines after the
carriage is driven up to the starting point. The tool should not
actually be into the cut, just close enough so that about half a turn
of the chuck will bring it into contact with the work piece. Next, zero
the dial indicator off of the tool bit or holder. Make the first cut
and then disengage both the carriage feed and lathe drive motor clutch.
Crank the carriage back into deep contact with the dial indicator,
being careful not to bottom it out or move its position. At this point
engage only the carriage feed half nut. You will probably need to
rotate the chuck by hand to turn the feed screw to get the nut to
close, so don?t force it. Line up the felt tip pen timing marks by
rotating the chuck in the direction it turns when cutting to get all
the slack out of the gears and drives, and then move the compound feed
so the tool bit or holder reads zero on the dial indicator. The tool
point is now at the thread starting point and you did not need to run
the lathe backwards to get there, or run it forwards for twenty minutes
to get the tool and work piece in time again for the next cut. For the
rough work of the first few cuts the tool can be lined up with the
thread by eye, but for the final cuts the dial indicator needs to be
used. With some practice a technique can be developed so the loss of
the 30? feed-in angle that the compound feed is normally provides can
be compensated for by estimating where the bottom of the final cut will
be and advancing the cut toward this point each time the depth is
increased. That way only half of the tool cutting edge will be in
contact with the work piece, preventing tool chatter from a ?V? shaped
chip, making for a smoother cut.

Another application for this technique is for cutting those
odd-numbered fine-pitch inch threads that also take a large number of
head spindle revolutions before the positional timing once again comes
into place for engaging the carriage feed half nut. Just follow the
same procedure as above for setting the cutting tool point to its
positional zero and a lot of time can be saved instead of standing idly
by while the lathe does nothing but slowly turn the carriage feed screw
timing indicator into engagement position.

These procedures are initially time consuming to set up and learn, but
once the method is understood it will save a great deal of time for
repetitive thread cutting.



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jan  7 23:15:51 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 18:15:51 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives
In-Reply-To: <012f01c4f534$d867c3c0$833354d2@cam>
Message-ID: <200501080715.j087FuT6090473@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi Cam,
	The 1A Eclipse will get a nice coat of F-M green as there is not any
evidence of paint left on the engine. I might even repaint my original No.1
as it is looking a little shabby since its last repaint 20 years ago.
I don't know what we can do about Edd. Maybe a coat of paint?  ;)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----
Are you going to paint it or leave it in the raw.
       ps Good looking bloke that Edd Payne
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia




From Peterwoodmore at aol.com  Sat Jan  8 01:56:55 2005
From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 04:56:55 EST
Subject: [SEL] National Rally in OZ
Message-ID: <a3.6a9cd98f.2f110867@aol.com>

I'll be there. taking 1 1/2 hp Challenge and 1 1/2 Olds

Woody
peterwoodmore at aol.com
27 Craig Av
Moorebank 2170
NSW
Australia


From Peterwoodmore at aol.com  Sat Jan  8 02:12:43 2005
From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 05:12:43 EST
Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives
Message-ID: <59.1e8d0f99.2f110c1b@aol.com>

Hey Patrick you will have to sand blast Edd before you apply the paint

Woody
peterwoodmore at aol.com
27 Craig Av
Moorebank 2170
NSW
Australia


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Jan  8 04:03:09 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 12:03:09 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re:Old hand pump
Message-ID: <010820051203.17108.7d58@mchsi.com>

Bill, nice job on restoring that old Pump.....those new leathers must of 
worked ok???
Curt Andree
> Hi Graham;
>  
> Have you ever seen a pump like mine at this link, and might know who made  it,
>  
> _http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV_ 
> (http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV) 
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Bill Miller
> Memphis, TN.
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From mmco at cox-internet.com  Sat Jan  8 04:50:00 2005
From: mmco at cox-internet.com (Bo Hinch)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 06:50:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built
References: <00e301c4f516$aabe7270$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <001801c4f580$910c7bf0$b0dbe244@machineryeqw95>

Hey there ole buddy Paul , Those are real neat . When you get the time , you 
could also make a pair for your old LEVERITE friend down south . They would 
sure look real nice sitting here in my office with all the other one of a 
kind collectables .

Bo Hinch

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Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 6:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built







From alanb2 at webtv.net  Sat Jan  8 05:02:22 2005
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:02:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NEW EMAIL
In-Reply-To: cgandree@mchsi.com's message of Sat, 08 Jan 2005 12:03:09 +0000
Message-ID: <20453-41DFD9DE-278@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net>

Hi Folks,
I already am getting the SEL on my new rustaholic777 at yahoo account so I
am signing off from here.   


Please send all off list emails to there.

Thanks

Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan
http://community.webtv.net/alanb2/ATISAuctionItems



From rwenig at telus.net  Thu Jan  6 18:28:33 2005
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:28:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Years Day Crankup 2005
In-Reply-To: <41DDB6A7.2050708@imc-group.com>
References: <41DDB6A7.2050708@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <41DDF3D1.5070406@telus.net>

Hello Curt,
	Great pictures. Is in the sequence 0082 + 0084-0088 Doug Kelley's 
tandem double acting engine?  Do you know anything about the prototype?

Rupert

Curt wrote:
> On Monday Tommy Berry mentioned the New Years Day Crankup at his dad's 
> place. Here is a link to the pictures of the engines and tractors there:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2005/Thumbnails.html 
> 
> 
> The top half of the thumbnails link to engine photos, and for the closet 
> and out-of-the-closet FATG's, the bottom half are to tractor photos. The 
> vast majority of the tractors were driven to the Crankup from 
> surrounding farms.
> 
> For the model lover's you'll find several photos of Doug Kelley's tandem 
> double acting engine. As always his work is breathtaking!
> 
> Hope you enjoy the pictures.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
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From BillMil357 at aol.com  Sat Jan  8 07:43:50 2005
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:43:50 EST
Subject: [SEL] Re:Old hand pump
Message-ID: <103.5852a311.2f1159b6@aol.com>

Hi Curt,
 
I guess I didn't explain it too well but the pump that is restored is not  my 
pump it is one that I saw at the SIAM show last year in Evansville, Indiana  
and I want to build me up a display a whole lot like that one. I have to head  
back to Evansville in the morning for my oldest brother that lives there died 
 last night, he was 84 years old. (Sad day a black rock)
 
See ya,
 
Bill Miller.
 
 


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  8 07:53:02 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 07:53:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
Message-ID: <20050108155302.1912.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>

Howdy Folks,

Is there a best choice book for learning to use my Seneca falls "Star" lathe?
It is like the one at the bottom of this page:

http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/index.html

A question right now,,,,
On the screwcutting gear box info tag,,,
What does Knob 48 OUT mean?
I don't know what knob it referrs to.
The other adjustments are easy.

Thanks a bunch,

Alan Bowen  rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
Williamsburg, Michigan


	
		
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jan  8 09:14:23 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:14:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin
References: <004a01c4f520$38b98f20$db54dccb@pcuser>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV21786F4BD74B3D09F87A24BB950@phx.gbl>

Here's some info on the Wisconsin, Brian:

http://www.asecc.com/data/wisconsin-models.html

At the bottom of that page click on "Manuals"  Doesn't look like the ABN is 
listed but it gives a place to click on and ask.

  Ebay has a lot of Wisconsin manuals periodically.

Hope this helps and good luck...neat machine!!!

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Taylor" <brianne at ultratune.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 6:20 PM
Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin


Hi Guys
Having now completed our IH3M restoration, our next project is the railway 
people mover which used to ferry workers along the Urangan Pier when large 
ships used to dock there.
This unit has a Wisconsin engine which drives a gearbox via a triple belt 
drive which then drives the axle via a chain. We removed the engine 
yesterday and all bolts came out ok.
Engine appears seized, will find out for sure next week.
Built by Ronaldsen and Tippet
Model is ABNLD
The serial No. is 101680
3 X 3 1/4
2200rpm
It has a Lucas magneto SR1. Appears to have marking MKNA  39
Coil ignition
Remote driven generator (Chain drive)
Looking forward to eventually being able to drive it along the short stretch 
of railway track that we have at the Museum.
To view picture, go to :
http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html
then click on Machinery.
The nickname of the unit is "Radish" and it was donated to the Museum by 
Caltex when the rail lines were removed from the pier.
If anyone has any info ref these engines, age,history etc, we would be 
pleased to hear from you.
Brian Taylor
Hervey Bay Museum
QLD
Australia
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From galoway4 at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  8 09:03:47 2005
From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:03:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
References: <20050108155302.1912.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001701c4f5a4$0691b2f0$d5a89b18@jake>

Hello Alan

    Take a  Google trip and I am sure that you will find what you want. 
There is over 1000 listings for your Seneca falls lathe.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 9:53 AM
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??


> Howdy Folks,
>
> Is there a best choice book for learning to use my Seneca falls "Star" 
> lathe?
> It is like the one at the bottom of this page:
>
> http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/index.html
>
> A question right now,,,,
> On the screwcutting gear box info tag,,,
> What does Knob 48 OUT mean?
> I don't know what knob it referrs to.
> The other adjustments are easy.
>
> Thanks a bunch,
>
> Alan Bowen  rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> Williamsburg, Michigan
>
>
>
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  8 09:55:53 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 09:55:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
In-Reply-To: <20050108155302.1912.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050108175553.29085.qmail@web61310.mail.yahoo.com>

Boy howdy,,, did I mess up there,,,,

I went back downstairs and looked at the lathe again,

What I should have asked is,

What does STUD 48 OUT mean?
I don't know what STUD it refers to.

I know the knob has three holes to choose from.

Thanks, 
Alan


--- Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:

 Howdy Folks,
 
 Is there a best choice book for learning to use my Seneca falls "Star" lathe?
 It is like the one at the bottom of this page:
 

http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/index.html

 
 A question right now,,,,
 On the screwcutting gear box info tag,,,
 What does Knob 48 OUT mean?
 I don't know what knob it referrs to.
 The other adjustments are easy.
 
 Thanks a bunch,
 
 Alan Bowen  rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
 Williamsburg, Michigan

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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Sat Jan  8 10:28:24 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:28:24 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
References: <20050108175553.29085.qmail@web61310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008601c4f5af$d8f540d0$6ff93e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

I don't have any idea either what STUD 48 OUT means.  Seems to me the it
would be easy to put it all three positions and see what happens.  Try it at
low speed with the carriage well away from the spindle.  Pretty common thing
to do with machine tools that you are not completely familiar with.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??


> Boy howdy,,, did I mess up there,,,,
>
> I went back downstairs and looked at the lathe again,
>
> What I should have asked is,
>
> What does STUD 48 OUT mean?
> I don't know what STUD it refers to.
>
> I know the knob has three holes to choose from.
>
> Thanks,
> Alan




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jan  8 10:43:11 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:43:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
References: <20050108155302.1912.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV48CC1A4028F9C6B828748BB950@phx.gbl>

Possibly they're talking about the knob you pull out and then kick in the 
back gear..just a swag.

Rickinmt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 8:53 AM
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??


> Howdy Folks,
>
> Is there a best choice book for learning to use my Seneca falls "Star" 
> lathe?
> It is like the one at the bottom of this page:
>
> http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/index.html
>
> A question right now,,,,
> On the screwcutting gear box info tag,,,
> What does Knob 48 OUT mean?
> I don't know what knob it referrs to.
> The other adjustments are easy.
>
> Thanks a bunch,
>
> Alan Bowen  rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> Williamsburg, Michigan
>
>
>
>
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From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Sat Jan  8 10:51:04 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 18:51:04 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
In-Reply-To: <20050108175553.29085.qmail@web61310.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050108155302.1912.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>
	<20050108175553.29085.qmail@web61310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mpa0u0dq3bt200sckhnn5bkj426q6d3g0s@4ax.com>

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 09:55:53 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>Boy howdy,,, did I mess up there,,,,
>
>I went back downstairs and looked at the lathe again,
>
>What I should have asked is,
>
>What does STUD 48 OUT mean?
>I don't know what STUD it refers to.
>
>I know the knob has three holes to choose from.
>
>Thanks, 
>Alan

On some gear trains for screwcutting, you will have an extra gear(s) to give the
ratio or direction of the saddle drive. Stud48 sounds like it is part of the
geartrain which is removable and carries a gear or pair of gears.

Peter




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  8 11:45:54 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:45:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
In-Reply-To: <mpa0u0dq3bt200sckhnn5bkj426q6d3g0s@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <20050108194554.70601.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the input folks,

Peter,
This lathe has an enclosed gear box.  It ain't like the other ones with a door that opens up to
manualy change the gears.

Move one lever until it is below the colume that has the desired threads in it, then pull out a
knob and move it to one of three holes.

The link I gave to see a picture shows those two adjustments on the left side of the lathe.
Now if I can just figure out what Stud they are talking about,,,,,,

I just went down there again and I still don't see a stud to play with around the gear box.

????? Alan

--- Peter A Forbes <diesel at easynet.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 09:55:53 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
> 
> >Boy howdy,,, did I mess up there,,,,
> >
> >I went back downstairs and looked at the lathe again,
> >
> >What I should have asked is,
> >
> >What does STUD 48 OUT mean?
> >I don't know what STUD it refers to.
> >
> >I know the knob has three holes to choose from.
> >
> >Thanks, 
> >Alan
> 
> On some gear trains for screwcutting, you will have an extra gear(s) to give the
> ratio or direction of the saddle drive. Stud48 sounds like it is part of the
> geartrain which is removable and carries a gear or pair of gears.
> 
> Peter
> 
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From mmco at cox-internet.com  Sat Jan  8 11:50:24 2005
From: mmco at cox-internet.com (Bo Hinch)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:50:24 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin
References: <004a01c4f520$38b98f20$db54dccb@pcuser>
	<BAY3-DAV21786F4BD74B3D09F87A24BB950@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002901c4f5bb$4bb2b930$b0dbe244@machineryeqw95>

Don`t know if it helps but I have an ACN parts manuel I would be glad to 
copy for you .
I also have following manuels : AFN ,AGN - AHH -AEN- AENS - ACN - BKN - 
AGND - ADH -AE - AEH - AEHS and also starting & operating instructions issue 
# 310.
Bo Hinch

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Wisconsin


> Here's some info on the Wisconsin, Brian:
>
> http://www.asecc.com/data/wisconsin-models.html
>
> At the bottom of that page click on "Manuals"  Doesn't look like the ABN 
> is listed but it gives a place to click on and ask.
>
>  Ebay has a lot of Wisconsin manuals periodically.
>
> Hope this helps and good luck...neat machine!!!
>
> RickinMt.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brian Taylor" <brianne at ultratune.com.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 6:20 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin
>
>
> Hi Guys
> Having now completed our IH3M restoration, our next project is the railway 
> people mover which used to ferry workers along the Urangan Pier when large 
> ships used to dock there.
> This unit has a Wisconsin engine which drives a gearbox via a triple belt 
> drive which then drives the axle via a chain. We removed the engine 
> yesterday and all bolts came out ok.
> Engine appears seized, will find out for sure next week.
> Built by Ronaldsen and Tippet
> Model is ABNLD
> The serial No. is 101680
> 3 X 3 1/4
> 2200rpm
> It has a Lucas magneto SR1. Appears to have marking MKNA  39
> Coil ignition
> Remote driven generator (Chain drive)
> Looking forward to eventually being able to drive it along the short 
> stretch of railway track that we have at the Museum.
> To view picture, go to :
> http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html
> then click on Machinery.
> The nickname of the unit is "Radish" and it was donated to the Museum by 
> Caltex when the rail lines were removed from the pier.
> If anyone has any info ref these engines, age,history etc, we would be 
> pleased to hear from you.
> Brian Taylor
> Hervey Bay Museum
> QLD
> Australia
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> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jan  8 11:55:06 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:55:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
In-Reply-To: <20050108194554.70601.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050108194554.70601.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com>
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I used to be Stud, 48, but I had a birthday a while back and now I'm 
Stud, 49.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Sat Jan  8 12:12:32 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 20:12:32 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
In-Reply-To: <318044E3-61AF-11D9-80AF-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
References: <20050108194554.70601.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com>
	<318044E3-61AF-11D9-80AF-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
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On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:55:06 -0500, you wrote:

>I used to be Stud, 48, but I had a birthday a while back and now I'm 
>Stud, 49.
>
>John Culp

A mere youngster.... :-))

Peter




From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jan  8 12:17:17 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 07:17:17 +1100
Subject: [SEL]  OT   Seneca Falls Lathe 
References: <20050108194554.70601.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com>
	<318044E3-61AF-11D9-80AF-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <002901c4f5bf$0d1364f0$7182ecdc@morris>



>I used to be Stud, 48, but I had a birthday a while back and now I'm 
> Stud, 49.

Love it, well said

But I have to ask Left Hand or Right Hand                  thread 8-))


Kerry


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From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Sat Jan  8 12:15:46 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 20:15:46 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
In-Reply-To: <20050108194554.70601.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mpa0u0dq3bt200sckhnn5bkj426q6d3g0s@4ax.com>
	<20050108194554.70601.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2pf0u01s2reqn5jtf454d6kv7c2bhclvrr@4ax.com>

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:45:54 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>Thanks for the input folks,
>
>Peter,
>This lathe has an enclosed gear box.  It ain't like the other ones with a door that opens up to
>manualy change the gears.
>
>Move one lever until it is below the colume that has the desired threads in it, then pull out a
>knob and move it to one of three holes.
>
>The link I gave to see a picture shows those two adjustments on the left side of the lathe.
>Now if I can just figure out what Stud they are talking about,,,,,,
>
>I just went down there again and I still don't see a stud to play with around the gear box.
>
>????? Alan

Have you got a label like:

http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/page8.html

Peter

The studs are mentioned there, including 48, which is what I was referring to.

If you haven't, I'll keep on looking.

Peter




From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Jan  8 12:48:13 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:48:13 EST
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built
Message-ID: <c.3bfbef65.2f11a10d@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/7/2005 7:15:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:

<< share with you a few pictures of (2) Model Wooden Forklifts I just 
finished  >>


Beautiful job Paul!  I will have to dig out my sons bulldozer and 
tractor/trailer to haul it on I built him many years ago for 2 Christmas's and take a 
picture.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sat Jan  8 13:25:19 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 08:25:19 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives
References: <200501080715.j087FuT6090473@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c4f5c8$8eaa3440$f985dccb@oemcomputer>

You are all such nice considerate blokes.Sure nice to have friends or with
friends like you who needs enemies.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 6:15
Subject: RE: [SEL] Another One Lives


> Hi Cam,
> The 1A Eclipse will get a nice coat of F-M green as there is not any
> evidence of paint left on the engine. I might even repaint my original
No.1
> as it is looking a little shabby since its last repaint 20 years ago.
> I don't know what we can do about Edd. Maybe a coat of paint?  ;)
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> -----Original Message-----
> Are you going to paint it or leave it in the raw.
>        ps Good looking bloke that Edd Payne
> Cam and Edwina Grundy
> Kariong
> Gosford   NSW
> Australia
>
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  8 14:03:25 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:03:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
In-Reply-To: <2pf0u01s2reqn5jtf454d6kv7c2bhclvrr@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <20050108220325.1992.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com>

No Peter,
That is an earlier lathe and it does not have the screw cutting gear box.
Mine has a patent date of Nov. 18, 1919.

The picture I refered to shows the info tag where mine is.  Right above that handle that has a lot
of different holes to go to. It is a completly different tag.  This puter fouled up while I was
searching so I took a break and unloaded my truck. It seems to be working better now.

Thank you much for all the effort you are putting into my problem.

Alan


--- Peter A Forbes <diesel at easynet.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:45:54 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
> 
> >Thanks for the input folks,
> >
> >Peter,
> >This lathe has an enclosed gear box.  It ain't like the other ones with a door that opens up to
> >manualy change the gears.
> >
> >Move one lever until it is below the colume that has the desired threads in it, then pull out a
> >knob and move it to one of three holes.
> >
> >The link I gave to see a picture shows those two adjustments on the left side of the lathe.
> >Now if I can just figure out what Stud they are talking about,,,,,,
> >
> >I just went down there again and I still don't see a stud to play with around the gear box.
> >
> >????? Alan
> 
> Have you got a label like:
> 
> http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/page8.html
> 
> Peter
> 
> The studs are mentioned there, including 48, which is what I was referring to.
> 
> If you haven't, I'll keep on looking.
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jan  8 14:31:50 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:31:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives
In-Reply-To: <001b01c4f5c8$8eaa3440$f985dccb@oemcomputer>
References: <200501080715.j087FuT6090473@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<001b01c4f5c8$8eaa3440$f985dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <1732EDDA-61C5-11D9-80AF-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

With friends like that, who needs enemas?

On Jan 8, 2005, at 4:25 PM, edd payne wrote:

> You are all such nice considerate blokes.Sure nice to have friends or 
> with
> friends like you who needs enemies.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  8 15:00:28 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:00:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Better Info
In-Reply-To: <20050108222506.10988.qmail@web61302.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050108230028.93376.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com>

OK, This puter IS working better now.

Here is a lathe like mine. 
 
http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/img5.gif

It has a drive system like this picture shows.
 
http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/img13.gif

 BUT, The handle for the manual carriage travel is a round wheel like a later one that is a Geared
Head Lathe.  I tried to show that one here too, but this puter kept fouling up again. Let's see if
it goes now.
 
I have sent an email to the owner of that site asking the same questions and asking if there is a
manual available.  I will let y'all know if I get a reply.

I would welcome any suggestions as to the best learning book to buy from Lindsay.

Thanks AGAIN!!!!!

Alan Bowen  rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
Williamsburg, Michigan


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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  8 15:17:55 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:17:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Better Info
In-Reply-To: <20050108231008.10669.qmail@web61304.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050108231755.1595.qmail@web61310.mail.yahoo.com>

 
Ok I will try this again,
This puter is still messing up.

My lathe is like this one.

http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/img5.gif

It has the drive belt system like this picture.

http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/img13.gif

The handle for manually moving the carraige is a round wheel like this one has.

http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/img30.gif

I sent an email to the owner of that site asking the same question and asking if a manual is
available for my lathe.  I will let y'all know if I get a reply.

I would welcome any suggestios as to what is the best book to guy from Lindsay to get me started.
I still need to crawl under her to see how many amps that 220V. motor wants before I run power to
her.

Thank again,

Alan Bowen rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
Williamsburg, Michigan




		
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Jan  8 18:16:13 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:16:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
Message-ID: <20050108.212242.556.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Stud, 49. ?

Super Tenacious Unyielding Diehard ?


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan  8 19:44:06 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:44:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built
References: <c.3bfbef65.2f11a10d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00a501c4f5fd$7a40e1e0$230110ac@PAUL>

Thanks Tom and please do send me the pictures of the bulldozer and tractor 
trailer, I would love to see them.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built


> In a message dated 1/7/2005 7:15:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> << share with you a few pictures of (2) Model Wooden Forklifts I just
> finished  >>
>
>
> Beautiful job Paul!  I will have to dig out my sons bulldozer and
> tractor/trailer to haul it on I built him many years ago for 2 Christmas's 
> and take a
> picture.
>




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jan  8 20:43:54 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 23:43:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
In-Reply-To: <20050108.212242.556.2.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20050108.212242.556.2.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <112A31F1-61F9-11D9-BF91-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Yeah, that works.

Suppose I oughta be playing "Funk 49."

John

On Jan 8, 2005, at 9:16 PM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

> Stud, 49. ?
>
> Super Tenacious Unyielding Diehard ?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From segray at mlode.com  Sat Jan  8 23:56:16 2005
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:56:16 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter
Message-ID: <41E0E3A0.10504@mlode.com>

Hey Guys & Gals -

   I picked up a little trinket last November in the form of a speed 
limiter for a line shaft. At first, I thought if might be an early form 
of a centrifugal clutch until I saw how the flyballs were pinned. The 
large pulley in the pictures would have been the driven (input) side 
which spins the clutch drum. The clutch shoes, which are wood, are 
mounted on the flyballs and are spring loaded against the drum. This 
transmits the rotating motion from the input pulley to the output shaft 
and pulley. If the speed becomes too great, the flyballs pull the clutch 
shoes away from the drum, slowing the output. This unit has no markings 
whatsoever other than having a lot of old red paint on it. Any idea of 
age and maker? Pictures are at: http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/. 
I need to pour new babbitt bearings in it, but it's in excellent shape, 
otherwise. If there's room for it, it might end up on the big display 
trailer.

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com





From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jan  9 01:30:07 2005
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:30:07 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter
In-Reply-To: <41E0E3A0.10504@mlode.com>
References: <41E0E3A0.10504@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <41E0F99F.3000005@optusnet.com.au>

Steve Gray wrote:

> Hey Guys & Gals -
>
>   I picked up a little trinket last November in the form of a speed 
> limiter for a line shaft. At first, I thought if might be an early 
> form of a centrifugal clutch until I saw how the flyballs were pinned. 
> The large pulley in the pictures would have been the driven (input) 
> side which spins the clutch drum. The clutch shoes, which are wood, 
> are mounted on the flyballs and are spring loaded against the drum. 
> This transmits the rotating motion from the input pulley to the output 
> shaft and pulley. If the speed becomes too great, the flyballs pull 
> the clutch shoes away from the drum, slowing the output. This unit has 
> no markings whatsoever other than having a lot of old red paint on it. 
> Any idea of age and maker? Pictures are at: 
> http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/. I need to pour new babbitt 
> bearings in it, but it's in excellent shape, otherwise. If there's 
> room for it, it might end up on the big display trailer.
>
> - Steve
>
Could it have been a safety device - an over-speed brake for a lift 
(elevator)?

Jack in Oz



From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  9 05:20:20 2005
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 05:20:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Stud 48 Out
Message-ID: <20050109132020.8286.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi, Alan,

If the lathe is like my old 1940 Atlas 12x60 then the ?Stud 48 Out?
refers to two gears stack-mounted on a stud on the back of the lathe
headstock assembly and are part of the gear train that runs down from
the rear of the chuck spindle to the quick change gear box that drives
the carriage feed screw. If you look under the cover at the back of the
headstock in the gear train you will probably find two gears stacked on
one stud, and ONE of the gears does not mesh with any other gear. This
un-meshed gear is EITHER the outer gear and is hanging out in mid-air,
OR is the inner gear, and if you count the teeth on it you will find
that it has either 24 or 48 teeth. This two-gear stack can be removed
and turned over and re-installed so that the 48-tooth gear is either
OUTside or INside. In the OUT position it probably cuts in half the
gear ratio of the carriage feed screw drive and its sole purpose is to
cut 4, 5, 5.5, 5.75, 6, and 6.5 threads per inch using the 8, 10, 11,
11.5, 12, and 13 threads per inch gear shift selections. These numbers
may actually be different but they will be half of one series of
pitches listed on the thread pitch selection table. With the 48-tooth
gear mounted on the outside you will find that the carriage feed screw
turns either twice as fast or half as fast, and is used to select
between the 2:1 or 1:1 ratio, hence the ?Stud 48 Out? instructions
associated with the thread selection gears. 

Depending on the gear box scheme that the lathe uses my above
instructions may be the exact opposite of the way it is actually set
up, but you can figure that out. OR my whole premise is wrong (but I
hope not!).

Rich Allen



From oldengin at udata.com  Sun Jan  9 05:44:17 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 08:44:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter
In-Reply-To: <41E0F99F.3000005@optusnet.com.au>
References: <41E0E3A0.10504@mlode.com> <41E0F99F.3000005@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <41E13531.4010903@udata.com>

Jack Watson wrote:

> Steve Gray wrote:
>
>> Hey Guys & Gals -
>>
>>   I picked up a little trinket last November in the form of a speed 
>> limiter for a line shaft.
>>
> Could it have been a safety device - an over-speed brake for a lift 
> (elevator)?
>
> Jack in Oz
>
Steve, in my little mind, which ever way you would install this device 
it could be wrong for a line shaft..  Yes I agree that it is a brake but 
to slow down the machine is not good and to place it on the engin side 
would tear up the wood clutches as you described them. It does, did, 
have a purpose but I am not convinced it is in a line shaft operation.
ps Nice toy....

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


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From jmackess at twcny.rr.com  Sat Jan  8 20:47:44 2005
From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 23:47:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Lathe Info??
References: <20050108155302.1912.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c4f606$5d36b6c0$ab853a18@james547qmsxft>

Hi Alan;
     Nice Lathe! The book I would most recommend is "How to Run a Lathe",
"The Care and Operation
of a Back Geared Screw Cutting Lathe", originally put out be the South Bend
Lathe Works. Linsey has
reprints, also, but there are a lot of originals of varying vintage out
there also. It is a small book, but is
packed with a lot of concise information.
     As to the "Stud 48 out", I am not familiar with your particular lathe,
but in general the stud gear is the
first gear after the reversing mechanism on the leadscrew drive train. 48
would most likely be the number
of teeth, and out may refer to pulling one of the knobs on the headstock end
of the lathe out. 48 is a lot
of teeth for a stud gear however, on my Logan 16 thru 24 would be common on
the stud, but in looking
through the South Bend book they show as many as 64 teeth used on a stud
gear. Try rolling things over
by hand slowly and pulling out on any knobs at the end of the headstock. If
this fails, try asking at:
http://www.practicalmachinist.com
There are a bunch of friendly folks online there who can probably answer
your question off the top of their
heads. Hope this helps!
Best Regards;
Jim Mackessy
Camillus, New York, USA



From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Sun Jan  9 07:37:28 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 07:37:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter
In-Reply-To: <41E0E3A0.10504@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <20050109153728.28000.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com>

Steve

I have one of those...I don't havea good picture...should shovel my way
out tothe garage and get some work time and photos out there...I think
that it is a Cedar Rapids Centrifugal Clutch.  I will have to check to see
if mine has a tag or not.  A friend has one with a tag.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2002DuPageFair/07.jpg

I have had it out to one show.  Picture is not great as it shows the
engine driving it as well.  It is mounted on the mill's skids.

Steve
--- Steve Gray <segray at mlode.com> wrote:

Hey Guys & Gals -
 
I picked up a little trinket last November in the form of a speed 
limiter for a line shaft. At first, I thought if might be an early form 
of a centrifugal clutch until I saw how the flyballs were pinned. The 
large pulley in the pictures would have been the driven (input) side 
which spins the clutch drum. The clutch shoes, which are wood, are 
mounted on the flyballs and are spring loaded against the drum. This 
transmits the rotating motion from the input pulley to the output shaft 
and pulley. If the speed becomes too great, the flyballs pull the clutch
shoes away from the drum, slowing the output. This unit has no markings 
whatsoever other than having a lot of old red paint on it. Any idea of 
age and maker? Pictures are at: http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/. 
I need to pour new babbitt bearings in it, but it's in excellent shape, 
otherwise. If there's room for it, it might end up on the big display 
trailer.

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



From EnginePaul at aol.com  Sun Jan  9 09:36:04 2005
From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:36:04 EST
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter
Message-ID: <1f2.3fb1fe3.2f12c584@aol.com>

Just a guess based on my fading memory of various old machinery. This device 
was used as a speed reducer and saftey clutch too. If something jambed the 
machine, it may have been designed to slip rather than break the machinery it was 
driving. 
Paul
(In SF)


From segray at mlode.com  Sun Jan  9 09:47:42 2005
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:47:42 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter
In-Reply-To: <41E0F99F.3000005@optusnet.com.au>
References: <41E0E3A0.10504@mlode.com> <41E0F99F.3000005@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <41E16E3E.1090607@mlode.com>

G'day Jack and All-

   Used to have one of those elevator brakes years ago. This is kind of 
along the same idea, but this device has no actual braking capability, 
it simply disconnects the output shaft from the input shaft when the 
speed gets too high, hence the "speed limiter" reference. There's 
nothing to slow anything down. This would kind of answer Leroy's 
response in that there's no braking involved. The only harm that I could 
envision from running it off an engine (or any power source), is to have 
the spring tension too high and allow the flyballs to spin too fast. Not 
my idea of fun! I think John hit the nail on the head using the term 
"Speed Governor". If the flyballs were hinged differently, it would be a 
true centrifugal clutch as we know it, engaging when the speed was high 
enough. This does just the opposite. Thanks John for the King books 
heads-up, I'll check those. Thanks too, Steve, for the picture. Sure 
looks like the same critter. Most of the sheet metal had been cut off of 
this one, so I was thinking of going back with large expanded metal to 
keep it safe, yet allow the goodies to be seen. Thanks Arnie, the more 
monkey motion, the better!

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



Jack Watson wrote:

>
> Could it have been a safety device - an over-speed brake for a lift 
> (elevator)?
>
> Jack in Oz
>
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From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Sun Jan  9 11:13:05 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:13:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter
In-Reply-To: <20050109153728.28000.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050109191305.24492.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com>

Here are 2 better pictures.  I forgot I had them on the auction page...

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/Baraboo2002/05.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/Baraboo2002/06.jpg

Steve
-- Steve Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net> wrote:
Steve
 
I have one of those...I don't havea good picture...should shovel my way
out tothe garage and get some work time and photos out there...I think
that it is a Cedar Rapids Centrifugal Clutch.  I will have to check to see
if mine has a tag or not.  A friend has one with a tag.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2002DuPageFair/07.jpg

I have had it out to one show.  Picture is not great as it shows the
engine driving it as well.  It is mounted on the mill's skids.

Steve
--- Steve Gray <segray at mlode.com> wrote:
 
Hey Guys & Gals -
  
I picked up a little trinket last November in the form of a speed limiter
for a line shaft. At first, I thought if might be an early form of a
centrifugal clutch until I saw how the flyballs were pinned. The large
pulley in the pictures would have been the driven (input) side which spins
the clutch drum. The clutch shoes, which are wood, are mounted on the
flyballs and are spring loaded against the drum. This transmits the
rotating motion from the input pulley to the output shaft and pulley. If
the speed becomes too great, the flyballs pull the clutch shoes away from
the drum, slowing the output. This unit has no markings whatsoever other
than having a lot of old red paint on it. Any idea of age and maker?
Pictures are at: http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/.  I need to pour
new babbitt bearings in it, but it's in excellent shape, otherwise. If
there's room for it, it might end up on the big display trailer.

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



From rwenig at telus.net  Sun Jan  9 06:40:06 2005
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 07:40:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter
In-Reply-To: <41E0E3A0.10504@mlode.com>
References: <41E0E3A0.10504@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <41E14246.9090002@telus.net>

Hello Steve,
	Are you sure it is a speed limiter? My guess would be you were right 
the first time- a centrifical clutch. The wood shoes wouldn't last long 
if they are slipping all the time as they would be in a speed limiter.

Rupert

Steve Gray wrote:
> Hey Guys & Gals -
> 
>   I picked up a little trinket last November in the form of a speed 
> limiter for a line shaft. At first, I thought if might be an early form 
> of a centrifugal clutch until I saw how the flyballs were pinned. The 
> large pulley in the pictures would have been the driven (input) side 
> which spins the clutch drum. The clutch shoes, which are wood, are 
> mounted on the flyballs and are spring loaded against the drum. This 
> transmits the rotating motion from the input pulley to the output shaft 
> and pulley. If the speed becomes too great, the flyballs pull the clutch 
> shoes away from the drum, slowing the output. This unit has no markings 
> whatsoever other than having a lot of old red paint on it. Any idea of 
> age and maker? Pictures are at: http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/. 
> I need to pour new babbitt bearings in it, but it's in excellent shape, 
> otherwise. If there's room for it, it might end up on the big display 
> trailer.
> 
> - Steve
> 



From BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com  Sun Jan  9 13:46:42 2005
From: BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com (barry gorman)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:46:42 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Stud 48 Out
References: <20050109132020.8286.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003401c4f694$bb2540b0$be218b90@userw32g91tqfi>


                  Barry G.
    The Glorious Hunter Valley
              AUSTRALIA
BarryandPamGorman at bigpond,com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Allen" <linstrum55 at yahoo.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:20 AM
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls Stud 48 Out


Hi, Alan,

If the lathe is like my old 1940 Atlas 12x60 then the "Stud 48 Out"
refers to two gears stack-mounted on a stud on the back of the lathe
headstock assembly and are part of the gear train that runs down from
the rear of the chuck spindle to the quick change gear box that drives
the carriage feed screw. If you look under the cover at the back of the
headstock in the gear train you will probably find two gears stacked on
one stud, and ONE of the gears does not mesh with any other gear. This
un-meshed gear is EITHER the outer gear and is hanging out in mid-air,
OR is the inner gear, and if you count the teeth on it you will find
that it has either 24 or 48 teeth. This two-gear stack can be removed
and turned over and re-installed so that the 48-tooth gear is either
OUTside or INside. In the OUT position it probably cuts in half the
gear ratio of the carriage feed screw drive and its sole purpose is to
cut 4, 5, 5.5, 5.75, 6, and 6.5 threads per inch using the 8, 10, 11,
11.5, 12, and 13 threads per inch gear shift selections. These numbers
may actually be different but they will be half of one series of
pitches listed on the thread pitch selection table. With the 48-tooth
gear mounted on the outside you will find that the carriage feed screw
turns either twice as fast or half as fast, and is used to select
between the 2:1 or 1:1 ratio, hence the "Stud 48 Out" instructions
associated with the thread selection gears. 

Depending on the gear box scheme that the lathe uses my above
instructions may be the exact opposite of the way it is actually set
up, but you can figure that out. OR my whole premise is wrong (but I
hope not!).

Rich Allen

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From yostsw at atis.net  Sun Jan  9 14:27:00 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:27:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re[2]: [AT] Charity auction
References: <000b01c4f440$b9f238c0$d43eaf3f@AlComputer>
	<200501091726380750.4337611C@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200501091727000718.4337B6ED@heavyiron.atis.net>

I am using Al's note, but replies are directed to all, not just Al......


>The suggestion was made on the list to everyone.  If
>everyone's opinion didn't matter, it should have been emailed only to

I addressed this concern in Thursday's note.   Here is what I said trying
to head off that exact argument:

...snip...
> In the past, with just a few
> exceptions, only people that participated posted opinions.  Call me
> naive but I thought that would occur again this year.
>

I didn't realize how few people participated (I knew the number of
donations was down, I didn't realize the number of bidders was down) when I
posted the suggestion for the tsunami's victims.   Mainly because I don't
make a habit of perusing the bids on item's I am not bidding on, just the
summary screen.   At least not until the end of the auctions.   I figured
participation was close to last year's bidding when I posted the tsunami's
victim's post.

For the money and hours I spend on ATIS to provide a free service, I think
I make very few demands on everyone.   I don't bombard you with ads and the
few I do are provided free to businesses that have supported ATIS mailing
lists with helpful informative posts. I don't even what "Thank You"s.
About the only two regular demands I make are:

1 - I want folks to watch their language and subjects when they post
2 - Earmark a very small percentage of your yearly charitable giving for
ATIS's auctions.

I feel certain these are real easy, real simple and not too much to ask.  I
have to believe anyone that thinks these are burdensome demands has an
ulterior motive and probably needs to go elsewhere.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net



From segray at mlode.com  Sun Jan  9 15:54:14 2005
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:54:14 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter
In-Reply-To: <41E14246.9090002@telus.net>
References: <41E0E3A0.10504@mlode.com> <41E14246.9090002@telus.net>
Message-ID: <41E1C426.2060201@mlode.com>

Hi Rupert & Steve -

   Taking John's lead (Thanks!), I *did* find the unit pictured in 
Volume 3, pg. 32 of Alan King's books of engine ads. It's exactly what I 
have right down to the spring pressure adjustment knob. I echo your 
thoughts as to how long the shoes would hold up under constant slipping. 
The shoes are extremely hard wood, possibly rock maple, but even so 
you've think they'd burn 'em out of there in short order. Maybe they 
figured with reasonably light loads, it wouldn't be a problem. Looking 
at the 3rd picture I put up, you can see the flyball weights are hinged 
(round head screws) between the weights and the shoes; the faster this 
unit was to turn (weights thrown towards the outside), the less force 
would be applied to the shoes (shoes pulled in) to hold the drive drum. 
This unit even has the ball thrust bearings noted in the advertisement. 
Interesting to note; the ad states: "Can change speed while running". In 
other words, they expected it to constantly slip! They must have sold a 
lot of replacement shoes! As to name, it's a Cedar Rapids Speed Governor 
made by the Cedar Rapids Foundry & Machine Co. The pictures you put up, 
Steve, are exactly what this unit is. Thanks!

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



Rupert Wenig wrote:

> Hello Steve,
>     Are you sure it is a speed limiter? My guess would be you were 
> right the first time- a centrifical clutch. The wood shoes wouldn't 
> last long if they are slipping all the time as they would be in a 
> speed limiter.
>
> Rupert
>





From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sun Jan  9 16:04:02 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:04:02 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Re[2]: [AT] Charity auction
References: <000b01c4f440$b9f238c0$d43eaf3f@AlComputer><200501091726380750.4337611C@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200501091727000718.4337B6ED@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <000501c4f6a7$e53da410$3e636854@Sixmjohn>


You're right Spencer, I asked you for a snail mail address, so I can
send you $10.00 for the item I was the high bidder for.
I want it to send by letter post, that's much easier and cheaper for me.

Thanks in advance,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl




> I am using Al's note, but replies are directed to all, not just Al......
> 
> 
> >The suggestion was made on the list to everyone.  If
> >everyone's opinion didn't matter, it should have been emailed only to
> 
> I addressed this concern in Thursday's note.   Here is what I said trying
> to head off that exact argument:
> 
> ...snip...
> > In the past, with just a few
> > exceptions, only people that participated posted opinions.  Call me
> > naive but I thought that would occur again this year.
> >
> 
> I didn't realize how few people participated (I knew the number of
> donations was down, I didn't realize the number of bidders was down) when I
> posted the suggestion for the tsunami's victims.   Mainly because I don't
> make a habit of perusing the bids on item's I am not bidding on, just the
> summary screen.   At least not until the end of the auctions.   I figured
> participation was close to last year's bidding when I posted the tsunami's
> victim's post.
> 
> For the money and hours I spend on ATIS to provide a free service, I think
> I make very few demands on everyone.   I don't bombard you with ads and the
> few I do are provided free to businesses that have supported ATIS mailing
> lists with helpful informative posts. I don't even what "Thank You"s.
> About the only two regular demands I make are:
> 
> 1 - I want folks to watch their language and subjects when they post
> 2 - Earmark a very small percentage of your yearly charitable giving for
> ATIS's auctions.
> 
> I feel certain these are real easy, real simple and not too much to ask.  I
> have to believe anyone that thinks these are burdensome demands has an
> ulterior motive and probably needs to go elsewhere.
> 
> Spencer Yost
> Owner, ATIS
> Plow the Net!
> http://www.atis.net
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Sun Jan  9 14:07:50 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Edward Stoller)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:07:50 -0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built
References: <00e301c4f516$aabe7270$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <000201c4f6bf$ca401400$ea48b93f@earthlink.net>

Nice work,

I made some little wood truck kits when my daughter was a cub scout leader.
We put a note pad on the bed and a pencil in the cab for a stack. Maybe you
could put a note pad on the pallet.

Ed Stoller


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 4:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built


Hey Gang it seems as though things are a little slow on the List tonight so
I thought I would share with you a few pictures of (2) Model Wooden
Forklifts I just finished building for my two (6) Year Old Twin Grandsons
Birthday this Saturday. No big deal but something a little different. I used
Padauk, PurpleHeart, Oak, White Pine, and Birch to make them:

http://client.webshots.com/slideshow?ID=246390377&key=UWKzCC

Paul
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan  9 19:33:38 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:33:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built
References: <00e301c4f516$aabe7270$230110ac@PAUL>
	<000201c4f6bf$ca401400$ea48b93f@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <013601c4f6c5$2e3c9910$230110ac@PAUL>

Good Idea Ed,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward Stoller" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Model Forklifts I Built


> Nice work,
>
> I made some little wood truck kits when my daughter was a cub scout 
> leader.
> We put a note pad on the bed and a pencil in the cab for a stack. Maybe 
> you
> could put a note pad on the pallet.
>




From jmackess at twcny.rr.com  Sun Jan  9 11:44:37 2005
From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:44:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter
References: <41E0E3A0.10504@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <001201c4f683$a7e88a40$ab853a18@james547qmsxft>

Hi Steve;
     I picked up a very small one of these a few years ago mounted on a
lineshaft,
complete with hangers. It's a little larger than a go-kart clutch, and the
shaft it is
on is light, only about 3/4" diameter. It is marked "Sta-Rite". I asked
around and
on this list, the general consensus is that it was part of a cream separator
rig and
was there to keep the separator at a rated speed below that of the engine. I
don't
have any pictures, but the thing had me scratching my head for a while, too.
Best Regards;
Jim Mackessy
Camillus, New York, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Gray" <segray at mlode.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 2:56 AM
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter


> Hey Guys & Gals -
>
>    I picked up a little trinket last November in the form of a speed
> limiter for a line shaft.



From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Sun Jan  9 20:56:08 2005
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:56:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re[2]: [AT] Charity auction
Message-ID: <001601c4f6d0$b5af1fc0$00690b42@gnarmstrong>

Spencer,
  We do appreciate your envolvment with the list and want you to know that.
Because I appreciate your effort  and am an old man I want to pass on a
couple of thoughts.  Many times the people who tell you that what you are
doing is a bad idea are your best friends and in fact have your best
interest in mind.  To be indifferent about what a person does is the most
uncomplimentary position you can take and in essence saying that you are
ignored and don't matter.  Criticism isn't always bad even though we often
are offended by it.   Some of the comments on the charity were pretty harsh
and maybe their points could have been made in a more charitable manner but
you did get their input.  Remember, I said I'm old.          Geo.
-----Original Message-----
From: Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, January 09, 2005 5:44 PM
Subject: [SEL] Re[2]: [AT] Charity auction


>I am using Al's note, but replies are directed to all, not just Al......
>
>
>>The suggestion was made on the list to everyone.  If
>>everyone's opinion didn't matter, it should have been emailed only to
>
>I addressed this concern in Thursday's note.   Here is what I said trying
>to head off that exact argument:
>
>...snip...
>> In the past, with just a few
>> exceptions, only people that participated posted opinions.  Call me
>> naive but I thought that would occur again this year.
>>
>
>I didn't realize how few people participated (I knew the number of
>donations was down, I didn't realize the number of bidders was down) when I
>posted the suggestion for the tsunami's victims.   Mainly because I don't
>make a habit of perusing the bids on item's I am not bidding on, just the
>summary screen.   At least not until the end of the auctions.   I figured
>participation was close to last year's bidding when I posted the tsunami's
>victim's post.
>
>For the money and hours I spend on ATIS to provide a free service, I think
>I make very few demands on everyone.   I don't bombard you with ads and the
>few I do are provided free to businesses that have supported ATIS mailing
>lists with helpful informative posts. I don't even what "Thank You"s.
>About the only two regular demands I make are:
>
>1 - I want folks to watch their language and subjects when they post
>2 - Earmark a very small percentage of your yearly charitable giving for
>ATIS's auctions.
>
>I feel certain these are real easy, real simple and not too much to ask.  I
>have to believe anyone that thinks these are burdensome demands has an
>ulterior motive and probably needs to go elsewhere.
>
>Spencer Yost
>Owner, ATIS
>Plow the Net!
>http://www.atis.net
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From ozengine at yahoo.com.au  Sun Jan  9 23:21:40 2005
From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:21:40 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives
Message-ID: <20050110072140.72826.qmail@web41124.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey Cam

Yeah, Yeah, but what was he like to kiss?

Graham


From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Another One Lives

Are you going to paint it or leave it in the raw.
       ps Good looking bloke that Edd Payne
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW


Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
http://au.movies.yahoo.com


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Jan  9 16:35:10 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:35:10 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter.....elevator governor.
References: <41E0E3A0.10504@mlode.com> <41E0F99F.3000005@optusnet.com.au>
	<41E16E3E.1090607@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <000201c4f6fb$209d9940$9acd3dca@ogborneuah38i3>

Jack and others...........I have an Otis elevator governor ,mounted on a
trolley and driven by a little J.A.P motor just for demo purposes. It has
bob weights and was designed to ''grip '' the fixed cable with a wedge when
it tripped as in free falling.

 Jack this little machine is out at Midland workshops for the moment until i
bring it down to Albany . It was originally installed in the old Goldsbrough
Mort building in St Georges Tce Perth .....Otis Elevator Co were very
helpful in giving me the history of the machine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Gray" <segray at mlode.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Speed limiter


> G'day Jack and All-
>
>    Used to have one of those elevator brakes years ago. This is kind of
> along the same idea, but this device has no actual braking capability,
> it simply disconnects the output shaft from the input shaft when the
> speed gets too high, hence the "speed limiter" reference. There's
> nothing to slow anything down. This would kind of answer Leroy's
> response in that there's no braking involved. The only harm that I could
> envision from running it off an engine (or any power source), is to have
> the spring tension too high and allow the flyballs to spin too fast. Not
> my idea of fun! I think John hit the nail on the head using the term
> "Speed Governor". If the flyballs were hinged differently, it would be a
> true centrifugal clutch as we know it, engaging when the speed was high
> enough. This does just the opposite. Thanks John for the King books
> heads-up, I'll check those. Thanks too, Steve, for the picture. Sure
> looks like the same critter. Most of the sheet metal had been cut off of
> this one, so I was thinking of going back with large expanded metal to
> keep it safe, yet allow the goodies to be seen. Thanks Arnie, the more
> monkey motion, the better!
>
> - Steve
>
> --
> Steve Gray
> Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
> Sonora, California USA
> e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
> Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
>
>
>
> Jack Watson wrote:
>
> >
> > Could it have been a safety device - an over-speed brake for a lift
> > (elevator)?
> >
> > Jack in Oz
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>





From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jan 10 03:09:18 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:09:18 +1100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
Message-ID: <200501101109.j0AB9IMq045218@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

After a bit of gentle nudging (OK a phone call from the USA asking why I
have not got my act together) I have finally bought headset for my computer
and installed Skype. 
After a couple of false starts I had a nice chat with Dave Croft in England
and with Curt Andree in the USA. We then had a conference call where we were
talking about engines (and other stuff) between three continents. There was
a slight delay on the conference call but the distances involved are pretty
amazing. And how much did all this talking to each other cost (apart from my
purchase of a headset)? Nothing!!
What a great way to be in contact with your engine mates from around the
world, even if they talk with funny accents :) 

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 10 04:45:46 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:45:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
References: <200501101109.j0AB9IMq045218@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c4f712$50cb9dd0$230110ac@PAUL>

Patrick, what is your Skype calling I.D., I will add you to my call list. I 
get on it occasionally myself and talk to Curt and Dave Croft, it is a great 
FREE way of talking to people around the World. Maybe more of our engine 
friends will get on it.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 5:09 AM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype


> After a bit of gentle nudging (OK a phone call from the USA asking why I
> have not got my act together) I have finally bought headset for my 
> computer
> and installed Skype.
> After a couple of false starts I had a nice chat with Dave Croft in 
> England
> and with Curt Andree in the USA. We then had a conference call where we 
> were
> talking about engines (and other stuff) between three continents. There 
> was
> a slight delay on the conference call but the distances involved are 
> pretty
> amazing. And how much did all this talking to each other cost (apart from 
> my
> purchase of a headset)? Nothing!!
> What a great way to be in contact with your engine mates from around the
> world, even if they talk with funny accents :)
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>




From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jan 10 05:07:12 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 05:07:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re[2]: [AT] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <001601c4f6d0$b5af1fc0$00690b42@gnarmstrong>
References: <001601c4f6d0$b5af1fc0$00690b42@gnarmstrong>
Message-ID: <46502.165.206.180.118.1105362432.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

Gosh, George - I'd say "old and wise".........

Things I've learned over the years include - you don't tell people who
wish to donate money or time WHAT they should donate that money or time to
(as a person with limited means who still donates to causes I WANT TO
donate to on a regular basis) (you'll pi$$ them off and shut off their
money flow),
If you bring volunteers together to help with something, don't let them
stand around. Make sure you have a precise list of things that need to be
done and let them get right to work (learned from working as a volunteer
and with volunteers at our local club)

Bill

> Spencer,
>   We do appreciate your envolvment with the list and want you to know
> that.
> Because I appreciate your effort  and am an old man I want to pass on a
> couple of thoughts.  Many times the people who tell you that what you are
> doing is a bad idea are your best friends and in fact have your best
> interest in mind.  To be indifferent about what a person does is the most
> uncomplimentary position you can take and in essence saying that you are
> ignored and don't matter.  Criticism isn't always bad even though we often
> are offended by it.   Some of the comments on the charity were pretty
> harsh
> and maybe their points could have been made in a more charitable manner
> but
> you did get their input.  Remember, I said I'm old.          Geo.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net>
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Sunday, January 09, 2005 5:44 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Re[2]: [AT] Charity auction
>
>
>>I am using Al's note, but replies are directed to all, not just Al......
>>
>>
>>>The suggestion was made on the list to everyone.  If
>>>everyone's opinion didn't matter, it should have been emailed only to
>>
>>I addressed this concern in Thursday's note.   Here is what I said trying
>>to head off that exact argument:
>>
>>...snip...
>>> In the past, with just a few
>>> exceptions, only people that participated posted opinions.  Call me
>>> naive but I thought that would occur again this year.
>>>
>>
>>I didn't realize how few people participated (I knew the number of
>>donations was down, I didn't realize the number of bidders was down) when
>> I
>>posted the suggestion for the tsunami's victims.   Mainly because I don't
>>make a habit of perusing the bids on item's I am not bidding on, just the
>>summary screen.   At least not until the end of the auctions.   I figured
>>participation was close to last year's bidding when I posted the
>> tsunami's
>>victim's post.



From rwenig at telus.net  Sun Jan  9 20:37:23 2005
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 21:37:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Speed limiter
In-Reply-To: <41E1C426.2060201@mlode.com>
References: <41E0E3A0.10504@mlode.com> <41E14246.9090002@telus.net>
	<41E1C426.2060201@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <41E20683.3070408@telus.net>

Thanks Steve,
	The info is appreciated.

Rupert

Steve Gray wrote:
> Hi Rupert & Steve -
> 
>   Taking John's lead (Thanks!), I *did* find the unit pictured in Volume 
> 3, pg. 32 of Alan King's books of engine ads. It's exactly what I have 
> right down to the spring pressure adjustment knob. I echo your thoughts 
> as to how long the shoes would hold up under constant slipping. The 

<snip>
> - Steve
> 




From prepair at easynet.co.uk  Mon Jan 10 06:30:18 2005
From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:30:18 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: [AT] Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <200501061219420718.32AB08E6@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <005701c4f1e9$2edbb080$553eaf3f@AlComputer>
	<002201c4f1ed$3428d190$1fac41d8@D684CG51>
	<001401c4f1f1$8eba1a70$5b186544@toshiba>
	<200501061219120953.32AA94A0@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200501061219420718.32AB08E6@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <i445u01g9t5irqde8h984nkl4klv9tdfuu@4ax.com>

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:19:42 -0500, you wrote:

>I have some family business out of town again and will be gone till the end
>of the weekend.   I want to give you folks something to think about while I
>am gone:
>
>Why is it that those people who have stalwart opinions on how the auction
>money should be spent, aren't so adamant when when it is time to bid or
>donate?   There is a large percentage of folks posting opinions on spending
>the money who didn't donate or bid.  In the past, with just a few
>exceptions, only people that participated posted opinions.  Call me naive
>but I thought that would occur again this year.
>
>I will leave the category open till the end of the weekend and see those of
>you who know how to spend the money also know how to donate and bid.
>
>Spencer Yost

Spencer:

Having read this one and the latest post today, I am a little puzzled
by your comments.

I did comment on the original request about the Tsunami fund as the
email was broadcast to the SEL List as a whole, and I added my comment
on the basis that that is what you wanted.

I did not get time this Xmas to get involved as I had already
explained, but have done in the past, the last three auctions in fact.
I didn't know if participating in the auction was a prerequisite for
me to comment on the Tsunami fund as there was no comment about that
from you in your original post.


Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK
prepair at easynet.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk




From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jan 10 07:26:39 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:26:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
In-Reply-To: <003e01c4f712$50cb9dd0$230110ac@PAUL>
References: <200501101109.j0AB9IMq045218@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<003e01c4f712$50cb9dd0$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <47693.165.206.180.118.1105370799.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

I just rebuilt a computer that will handle it, however, what about dial-up
- will it work with that? ( can connect at about 45K on a good day.
It's the ONLY option we country folks have around here.
There is no cable service, no DSL of any sort and people around here with
satellite Internet say it isn't any better than dial-up in these parts.
Will it work with that?

If so, I wonder about running it from a notebook with a wireless
connection to my dial-up network, then I could talk from any room.......
without cords at all (other than carrying around the notebook).

(not that anyone would care to listen to me....)

Bill

> Patrick, what is your Skype calling I.D., I will add you to my call list.
> I
> get on it occasionally myself and talk to Curt and Dave Croft, it is a
> great
> FREE way of talking to people around the World. Maybe more of our engine
> friends will get on it.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
> "Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 5:09 AM
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
>
>
>> After a bit of gentle nudging (OK a phone call from the USA asking why I
>> have not got my act together) I have finally bought headset for my
>> computer
>> and installed Skype.
>> After a couple of false starts I had a nice chat with Dave Croft in
>> England
>> and with Curt Andree in the USA. We then had a conference call where we
>> were
>> talking about engines (and other stuff) between three continents. There
>> was
>> a slight delay on the conference call but the distances involved are
>> pretty
>> amazing. And how much did all this talking to each other cost (apart
>> from
>> my
>> purchase of a headset)? Nothing!!
>> What a great way to be in contact with your engine mates from around the
>> world, even if they talk with funny accents :)
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Mon Jan 10 07:34:50 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (diesel at easynet.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:34:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
In-Reply-To: <47693.165.206.180.118.1105370799.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
References: <200501101109.j0AB9IMq045218@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<003e01c4f712$50cb9dd0$230110ac@PAUL>
	<47693.165.206.180.118.1105370799.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <1105371290.41e2a09adb060@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk>

Quoting bill at antique-engines.com:

> I just rebuilt a computer that will handle it, however, what about dial-up
> - will it work with that? ( can connect at about 45K on a good day.
> It's the ONLY option we country folks have around here.
> There is no cable service, no DSL of any sort and people around here with
> satellite Internet say it isn't any better than dial-up in these parts.
> Will it work with that?
> 
> If so, I wonder about running it from a notebook with a wireless
> connection to my dial-up network, then I could talk from any room.......
> without cords at all (other than carrying around the notebook).
> 
> (not that anyone would care to listen to me....)
> 
> Bill

Bill:

The Skype system is only for Broadband/DSL users, the free element of the 
service is because you are online continuously with DSL.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk
Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

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From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Jan 10 08:28:08 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:28:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
References: <200501101109.j0AB9IMq045218@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><003e01c4f712$50cb9dd0$230110ac@PAUL>
	<47693.165.206.180.118.1105370799.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <002801c4f731$5f6c2e80$bf1117d1@net.telenet.net>

>From their site.

In order to use Skype for Windows software, your computer must meet the
following minimum system requirements:

PC running Windows 2000 or XP
400 MHz processor
128 MB RAM
15 MB free disk space on your hard drive
Sound Card, speakers and microphone
Internet Connection (either dial-up: minimum 33.6 Kbps modem, or any
broadband: cable, DSL, etc.)


Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown, New York

Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed
Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh,
he'd have become a vegan.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype


> I just rebuilt a computer that will handle it, however, what about
dial-up
> - will it work with that? ( can connect at about 45K on a good day.
> It's the ONLY option we country folks have around here.
> There is no cable service, no DSL of any sort and people around here
with
> satellite Internet say it isn't any better than dial-up in these
parts.
> Will it work with that?
>
> If so, I wonder about running it from a notebook with a wireless
> connection to my dial-up network, then I could talk from any
room.......
> without cords at all (other than carrying around the notebook).
>
> (not that anyone would care to listen to me....)
>
> Bill
>
> > Patrick, what is your Skype calling I.D., I will add you to my call
list.
> > I
> > get on it occasionally myself and talk to Curt and Dave Croft, it is
a
> > great
> > FREE way of talking to people around the World. Maybe more of our
engine
> > friends will get on it.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
> > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 5:09 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
> >
> >
> >> After a bit of gentle nudging (OK a phone call from the USA asking
why I
> >> have not got my act together) I have finally bought headset for my
> >> computer
> >> and installed Skype.
> >> After a couple of false starts I had a nice chat with Dave Croft in
> >> England
> >> and with Curt Andree in the USA. We then had a conference call
where we
> >> were
> >> talking about engines (and other stuff) between three continents.
There
> >> was
> >> a slight delay on the conference call but the distances involved
are
> >> pretty
> >> amazing. And how much did all this talking to each other cost
(apart
> >> from
> >> my
> >> purchase of a headset)? Nothing!!
> >> What a great way to be in contact with your engine mates from
around the
> >> world, even if they talk with funny accents :)
> >>
> >> Patrick M Livingstone
> >> Leichhardt NSW
> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Jan 10 09:33:16 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:33:16 -0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
References: <200501101109.j0AB9IMq045218@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><003e01c4f712$50cb9dd0$230110ac@PAUL><47693.165.206.180.118.1105370799.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
	<002801c4f731$5f6c2e80$bf1117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <002401c4f73a$78f1e8a0$8c9f0952@no1>

I have used it using 98SE. The answer is try it.
It costs nothing to install & if your connection isn't good enough, easy to remove
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype


> >From their site.
> 
> In order to use Skype for Windows software, your computer must meet the
> following minimum system requirements:
> 
> PC running Windows 2000 or XP
> 400 MHz processor
> 128 MB RAM
> 15 MB free disk space on your hard drive
> Sound Card, speakers and microphone
> Internet Connection (either dial-up: minimum 33.6 Kbps modem, or any
> broadband: cable, DSL, etc.)
> 
> 
> Steve Williams
> Near Cooperstown, New York
> 
> Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed
> Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh,
> he'd have become a vegan.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
> 
> 
> > I just rebuilt a computer that will handle it, however, what about
> dial-up
> > - will it work with that? ( can connect at about 45K on a good day.
> > It's the ONLY option we country folks have around here.
> > There is no cable service, no DSL of any sort and people around here
> with
> > satellite Internet say it isn't any better than dial-up in these
> parts.
> > Will it work with that?
> >
> > If so, I wonder about running it from a notebook with a wireless
> > connection to my dial-up network, then I could talk from any
> room.......
> > without cords at all (other than carrying around the notebook).
> >
> > (not that anyone would care to listen to me....)
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > > Patrick, what is your Skype calling I.D., I will add you to my call
> list.
> > > I
> > > get on it occasionally myself and talk to Curt and Dave Croft, it is
> a
> > > great
> > > FREE way of talking to people around the World. Maybe more of our
> engine
> > > friends will get on it.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> > > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
> > > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 5:09 AM
> > > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
> > >
> > >
> > >> After a bit of gentle nudging (OK a phone call from the USA asking
> why I
> > >> have not got my act together) I have finally bought headset for my
> > >> computer
> > >> and installed Skype.
> > >> After a couple of false starts I had a nice chat with Dave Croft in
> > >> England
> > >> and with Curt Andree in the USA. We then had a conference call
> where we
> > >> were
> > >> talking about engines (and other stuff) between three continents.
> There
> > >> was
> > >> a slight delay on the conference call but the distances involved
> are
> > >> pretty
> > >> amazing. And how much did all this talking to each other cost
> (apart
> > >> from
> > >> my
> > >> purchase of a headset)? Nothing!!
> > >> What a great way to be in contact with your engine mates from
> around the
> > >> world, even if they talk with funny accents :)
> > >>
> > >> Patrick M Livingstone
> > >> Leichhardt NSW
> > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> > >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jan 10 10:16:02 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:16:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
In-Reply-To: <002801c4f731$5f6c2e80$bf1117d1@net.telenet.net>
References: <200501101109.j0AB9IMq045218@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><003e01c4f712$50cb9dd0$230110ac@PAUL>
	<47693.165.206.180.118.1105370799.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
	<002801c4f731$5f6c2e80$bf1117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <49516.165.206.180.118.1105380962.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

PC runs XP Pro
2800 MHz
1GB RAM
Dual 120 GIG drives so well over 110 gig free hard drive space
Surround sound card with speakers and headset
Dial-up 45Kbps typical

The notebook is similar, but only 500 meg RAM, 80 gig hd and wireless
network back to the above computer (sharing the dial-up connection)

So maybe it would work. I'm pretty much connected as long as the modem
will hole the connection, then it redials if the connection drops.

Bill

>>From their site.
>
> In order to use Skype for Windows software, your computer must meet the
> following minimum system requirements:
>
> PC running Windows 2000 or XP
> 400 MHz processor
> 128 MB RAM
> 15 MB free disk space on your hard drive
> Sound Card, speakers and microphone
> Internet Connection (either dial-up: minimum 33.6 Kbps modem, or any
> broadband: cable, DSL, etc.)
>
>
> Steve Williams
> Near Cooperstown, New York
>
> Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed
> Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh,
> he'd have become a vegan.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
>
>
>> I just rebuilt a computer that will handle it, however, what about
> dial-up
>> - will it work with that? ( can connect at about 45K on a good day.
>> It's the ONLY option we country folks have around here.
>> There is no cable service, no DSL of any sort and people around here
> with
>> satellite Internet say it isn't any better than dial-up in these
> parts.
>> Will it work with that?
>>
>> If so, I wonder about running it from a notebook with a wireless
>> connection to my dial-up network, then I could talk from any
> room.......
>> without cords at all (other than carrying around the notebook).
>>
>> (not that anyone would care to listen to me....)
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> > Patrick, what is your Skype calling I.D., I will add you to my call
> list.
>> > I
>> > get on it occasionally myself and talk to Curt and Dave Croft, it is
> a
>> > great
>> > FREE way of talking to people around the World. Maybe more of our
> engine
>> > friends will get on it.
>> >
>> > Paul
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
>> > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
>> > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>> > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 5:09 AM
>> > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
>> >
>> >
>> >> After a bit of gentle nudging (OK a phone call from the USA asking
> why I
>> >> have not got my act together) I have finally bought headset for my
>> >> computer
>> >> and installed Skype.
>> >> After a couple of false starts I had a nice chat with Dave Croft in
>> >> England
>> >> and with Curt Andree in the USA. We then had a conference call
> where we
>> >> were
>> >> talking about engines (and other stuff) between three continents.
> There
>> >> was
>> >> a slight delay on the conference call but the distances involved
> are
>> >> pretty
>> >> amazing. And how much did all this talking to each other cost
> (apart
>> >> from
>> >> my
>> >> purchase of a headset)? Nothing!!
>> >> What a great way to be in contact with your engine mates from
> around the
>> >> world, even if they talk with funny accents :)
>> >>
>> >> Patrick M Livingstone
>> >> Leichhardt NSW
>> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>> >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From brianne at ultratune.com.au  Mon Jan 10 16:56:45 2005
From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:56:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] SAFETY AND SECURITY PROGRAM OFFERED BY MICROSOFT
Message-ID: <005801c4f778$6c9692c0$fcc5dccb@pcuser>




Hi Guys
There is a new Beta Spyware programme from Microsoft.
(XP or later only)  http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/product 
 
I have downloaded and run this programme and it found 1 item on my computer(put there by Kodak software as part of it's installation)
It was not a high threat item, but I feel that I should have the option when installing software as to what info goes out from my computer.
It will be interesting to see what it finds on YOUR computer.
I have been running Nortons Anti-Virus  + Zone Alarm for some time now and I feel that this is why my computer is relatively clean.
The download is 6meg approx.
When you go to the site, it needs to validate that you have a legal copy of Windows XP etc. before you can download. 
Brian Taylor
Hervey Bay Historical Museum
13 Zephyr St..Scarness
Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html

 

www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/product 

 





From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Mon Jan 10 18:15:08 2005
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:15:08 +0800
Subject: [SEL] SAFETY AND SECURITY PROGRAM OFFERED BY MICROSOFT
In-Reply-To: <005801c4f778$6c9692c0$fcc5dccb@pcuser>
References: <005801c4f778$6c9692c0$fcc5dccb@pcuser>
Message-ID: <41E336AC.4010107@optusnet.com.au>

I am suspicious of this -"It will be interesting to see what it finds on 
YOUR computer" sounds just a bit shonky to cynical old me . .  . .

Jack Watson
============


Brian Taylor wrote:

>
>Hi Guys
>There is a new Beta Spyware programme from Microsoft.
>(XP or later only)  http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/product 
> 
>I have downloaded and run this programme and it found 1 item on my computer(put there by Kodak software as part of it's installation)
>It was not a high threat item, but I feel that I should have the option when installing software as to what info goes out from my computer.
>It will be interesting to see what it finds on YOUR computer.
>I have been running Nortons Anti-Virus  + Zone Alarm for some time now and I feel that this is why my computer is relatively clean.
>The download is 6meg approx.
>When you go to the site, it needs to validate that you have a legal copy of Windows XP etc. before you can download. 
>Brian Taylor
>Hervey Bay Historical Museum
>13 Zephyr St..Scarness
>Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html
>
> 
>
>www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/product 
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jan 10 18:47:12 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:47:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] SAFETY AND SECURITY PROGRAM OFFERED BY MICROSOFT
In-Reply-To: <41E336AC.4010107@optusnet.com.au>
References: <005801c4f778$6c9692c0$fcc5dccb@pcuser>
	<41E336AC.4010107@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <61549.167.142.22.193.1105411632.squirrel@167.142.22.193>

Won't find a thing on mine - I run spybot search and destroy, SAV 9.02
Enterprise edition, plus being very security aware, as part of our state
department security team...... I try to not let such things get to me.
Besides, MS stuff is always second rate compared to 3rd party products.

Bill


> I am suspicious of this -"It will be interesting to see what it finds on
> YOUR computer" sounds just a bit shonky to cynical old me . .  . .
>
> Jack Watson
> ============
>
>
> Brian Taylor wrote:
>
>>
>>Hi Guys
>>There is a new Beta Spyware programme from Microsoft.
>>(XP or later only)
>> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/product
>>
>>I have downloaded and run this programme and it found 1 item on my
>> computer(put there by Kodak software as part of it's installation)
>>It was not a high threat item, but I feel that I should have the option
>> when installing software as to what info goes out from my computer.
>>It will be interesting to see what it finds on YOUR computer.
>>I have been running Nortons Anti-Virus  + Zone Alarm for some time now
>> and I feel that this is why my computer is relatively clean.
>>The download is 6meg approx.
>>When you go to the site, it needs to validate that you have a legal copy
>> of Windows XP etc. before you can download.
>>Brian Taylor
>>Hervey Bay Historical Museum
>>13 Zephyr St..Scarness
>>Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html
>>
>>
>>
>>www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/product
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Jan 10 18:43:06 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:43:06 EST
Subject: [SEL] SAFETY AND SECURITY PROGRAM OFFERED BY MICROSOFT
Message-ID: <1d5.3382dbe8.2f14973a@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/10/2005 6:19:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
nadejack at optusnet.com.au writes:
I am suspicious of this -"It will be interesting to see what it finds on 
YOUR computer" sounds just a bit shonky to cynical old me . 
I tried this beta software and it found 29 suspicious items.  This was 
surprise to me as I had just ran Sky Sweeper.  


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 


From brianne at ultratune.com.au  Mon Jan 10 20:36:34 2005
From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:36:34 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Magneto Lucas Sr1
Message-ID: <001f01c4f797$227aebe0$7ac4dccb@pcuser>

Hi Guys
This query is related to the railway people mover I mentioned last week.
The Wisconsin engine is a AENLD, not as I first thought ABNLD.
Good news, engine is not seized.
Bad news, pulley drive assembly probably incorporating some kind of centrifugal clutch is seized.

I am a bit perplexed about the magneto (Lucas SR1) on the Wisconsin engine we are restoring.
It would appear that the SR1 is a self contained high tension magneto, not requiring external power.
The high tension wire from the mag was connected to the spark plug.
The black low tension wire from within the mag was tucked away down one side internally and not connected at all.(Did this used to be connected to points?)
The low tension wire connected to the points appears to have been extended and was connected to one side of an automotive type coil. There was no wire to the other side of the coil and neither was there an HT lead from coil tower.
My suspicion is that the mag low tension side was defective and that the low tension power to the points was supplied via the ign coil. Other wires may have been removed at some stage.
Does anyone have a description of the Lucas SR1 mag operating principles at all?
Any help appreciated
Brian Taylor
Hervey Bay Historical Museum
13 Zephyr St..Scarness
Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html


From brianne at ultratune.com.au  Tue Jan 11 04:24:07 2005
From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:24:07 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Spyware
Message-ID: <00b801c4f7d8$732026a0$7ac4dccb@pcuser>

Hi Guys
Apparently MS acquired this software from a 3rd party and are now developing it.
Don't know why anyone would think the statement related to YOUR computer was "shonky".
It was made in good faith. Several of my friends have tried it, and in most cases it has found spyware, even though they ran various other anti - spyware programmes.
There is no compulsion to try it. Choice is yours.Unfortunately I do not get any commission from MS.
I sent the message out of a desire to help others.
Brian Taylor
Hervey Bay Historical Museum
13 Zephyr St..Scarness
Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html


From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jan 11 05:15:59 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 05:15:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Spyware
In-Reply-To: <00b801c4f7d8$732026a0$7ac4dccb@pcuser>
References: <00b801c4f7d8$732026a0$7ac4dccb@pcuser>
Message-ID: <56993.165.206.180.118.1105449359.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

Watch out - some "anti-spyware" out there is actually spyware in itself -
it installs some of the very stuff you get it to remove!
How in the world do people think that someone can release FREE software?
Uh-huh - it's supported by marketing and advertising - "spyware" that it
installs.
EVEN spyware removers in some cases install adware and spyware!

There is pretty much no such thing are REAL free software.
And in some cases, software from vendors you trust installs such stuff,
however, on the other hand, some is FALSLY detected as "spyware". I've
seen keyboard drivers from Dell falsly found as spyware, and people in
thier zeal to rid the world of spyware often falsly accuse such software,
but once it's on the web as spyware, facts lose out.
Anti-spyware software sometimes is a bit agressive in what it finds.
Some of this stuff is simply checking for updates, checking in with a host
web site to see if new drivers and software is available.

Others, such as those so-called "Free" toolbars, skins for IE, search
utilities (such as Google desktop search, Yahoo desktop search, etc.)
contain real spyware.
Google desktop search sent our security people into a real frenzy when a
lady here installed it and it started hitting on every server in the
state, attempting to login as administrator! We now no longer allow ANY
search toolbars. They are pretty much a joke anyway, there is always
another way without installing adware and spyware.
The only anti-spyware I really trust is spybot search and destroy. This
guy really HATES spyware with a passion and has dedicated years of his
life to removing it. I've run many packages and this one routinly finds
stuff the others don't, however, none is perfect!
The "wintools" package is one of the hardest in the world to find and REMOVE.
It uses tactics that should be ILLEGAL!
CWSHREDDER is pretty much the only automatic way to get rid of it. I once
spent over an hour removing it from a system - it runs multiple threads
that don't show up in services or process lists. Kill a file and running
hidden processes rebuild it again before your eyes.

Anyway, if this WAS a good product, you can bet Microsoft will ruin it and
make it LESS effective. They have a great history of that. They even
managed to ruin the anti-virus they licensed from Norton/Symantec years
ago.

Like when Microsoft bought the Hoover Vacuum company - the first time in
history one of their products didn't suck.  :-)

A joke, ok?

Anyway, just posting this stuff as knowing all about it is part of my job
with the state and it helps me to learn and keep up in an area that
changes by the hour.

Bill



> Hi Guys
> Apparently MS acquired this software from a 3rd party and are now
> developing it.
> Don't know why anyone would think the statement related to YOUR computer
> was "shonky".
> It was made in good faith. Several of my friends have tried it, and in
> most cases it has found spyware, even though they ran various other anti -
> spyware programmes.
> There is no compulsion to try it. Choice is yours.Unfortunately I do not
> get any commission from MS.
> I sent the message out of a desire to help others.
> Brian Taylor
> Hervey Bay Historical Museum
> 13 Zephyr St..Scarness
> Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jan 11 06:09:13 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:09:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules pistons and bores.
Message-ID: <41E3DE09.3070807@imc-group.com>

Have some questions about the smallest Herc pistons and bores.

On the 1 1/2 - 2 HP Herc was the bore exactly 3.250 when new?

Measuring an old piston (some wear?) the following measurements are found:
Dia. Skirt is 3.243 (.007 clearance to bore)
Dia. Land 3 is 3.238 ( -.005, .012 clearance to bore)
Dia. Land 2 is 3.236 ( -.007, .014 clearance)
Dia. at Top is 3.232  ( -.011, .018 clearance)

Do these clearances seem right for a bore of this size?

This engine has been bored to 3.264 (or .014 oversized). I have made a 
new piston for it and am wondering if I should simply take the old 
piston measurments and add .014 to each measurement, or if I should make 
some changes.

A long time ago someone posted an old chart showing the correct step 
dimensions to compensate for higher temperatures at the crown of the 
piston. Is that information still around? Glenn, do you happen to have 
any old Hercules information on clearances and steps for these pistons?

Looking forward to your thoughts and comments.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC




    




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jan 11 05:59:46 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:59:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Spyware & Freeware
In-Reply-To: <56993.165.206.180.118.1105449359.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
References: <00b801c4f7d8$732026a0$7ac4dccb@pcuser>
	<56993.165.206.180.118.1105449359.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501110842320.96243@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Bill,

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote:

> Watch out - some "anti-spyware" out there is actually spyware in itself -
> it installs some of the very stuff you get it to remove!
> How in the world do people think that someone can release FREE software?
> Uh-huh - it's supported by marketing and advertising - "spyware" that it
> installs.
> EVEN spyware removers in some cases install adware and spyware!

Interesting comment.  Can you provide some specific examples?

> There is pretty much no such thing as REAL free software.

I beg to differ.  http://www.tucows.com and http://www.gnu.net

These are a couple of the oldest and most widely used resources on the
net.  Gnu software is nearly universal in the Unix and Linux worlds.

Do any of these ring a bell?  Adobe Reader, Irfan View, Spybot,
Ad-Aware, Linux, etc.  There's even a widely used term to describe it;
"Freeware".

I think in a fit of Messianic zeal, you may have over-generalized.
Despite the popularity of the expression TANSTAAFL, _sometimes_ there is.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jan 11 06:05:13 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:05:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Spyware & Freeware (Correction)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501110904110.96243@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Bill,

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote:

> Watch out - some "anti-spyware" out there is actually spyware in itself -
> it installs some of the very stuff you get it to remove!
> How in the world do people think that someone can release FREE software?
> Uh-huh - it's supported by marketing and advertising - "spyware" that it
> installs.
> EVEN spyware removers in some cases install adware and spyware!

Interesting comment.  Can you provide some specific examples?

> There is pretty much no such thing as REAL free software.

I beg to differ.  http://www.tucows.com and http://www.gnu.org

These are a couple of the oldest and most widely used resources on the
net.  Gnu software is nearly universal in the Unix and Linux worlds.

Do any of these ring a bell?  Adobe Reader, Irfan View, Spybot,
Ad-Aware, Linux, etc.  There's even a widely used term to describe it;
"Freeware".

I think in a fit of Messianic zeal, you may have over-generalized.
Despite the popularity of the expression TANSTAAFL, _sometimes_ there is.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From glenn.karch at gte.net  Tue Jan 11 06:35:18 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:35:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Hercules pistons and bores.
References: <41E3DE09.3070807@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <002201c4f7ea$c7eb21a0$2829ea41@oemcomputer>

Curt,

As far as I can tell, the bore on the small blocks was at 3.25.  I have had
several rebored and sleeved to 3.25 and any piston I used worked out OK.
There is no technical Hercules info available as far I know in regard to the
piston info you asked about, and there is no one left to ask.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 8:09 AM
Subject: [SEL] Hercules pistons and bores.


> Have some questions about the smallest Herc pistons and bores.
>
> On the 1 1/2 - 2 HP Herc was the bore exactly 3.250 when new?
>
> Measuring an old piston (some wear?) the following measurements are found:
> Dia. Skirt is 3.243 (.007 clearance to bore)
> Dia. Land 3 is 3.238 ( -.005, .012 clearance to bore)
> Dia. Land 2 is 3.236 ( -.007, .014 clearance)
> Dia. at Top is 3.232  ( -.011, .018 clearance)
>
> Do these clearances seem right for a bore of this size?
>
> This engine has been bored to 3.264 (or .014 oversized). I have made a
> new piston for it and am wondering if I should simply take the old
> piston measurments and add .014 to each measurement, or if I should make
> some changes.
>
> A long time ago someone posted an old chart showing the correct step
> dimensions to compensate for higher temperatures at the crown of the
> piston. Is that information still around? Glenn, do you happen to have
> any old Hercules information on clearances and steps for these pistons?
>
> Looking forward to your thoughts and comments.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From Frank at lbpinc.com  Tue Jan 11 07:07:18 2005
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:07:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spyware & Freeware (Correction)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501110904110.96243@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501110904110.96243@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20050111094106.03730730@MAIL1.THEBOOK.COM>

Alert. I am agreeing with Arnie.

I have been trying to get a friend to either buy Adobe reader or use one of 
the free writers.  He says all free stuff has virus.  There is just no 
convincing him.

The oldest free ware I know of is PK Zip.  (I am not sure it still is,  I 
bought a commercial version of it some time ago.

TClockEx   is a handy program that I always have running.

Here is one that I think Arnie will like
http://www.web-ee.com/Downloads/Calculator/V41R8.exe

And here is one for Dave.
http://www.softslide.com/downloads/k_and_e_slide_rule.exe

Frank

At 09:05 AM 1/11/2005, you wrote:

>Hi Bill,
>
>On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote:
>
> > Watch out - some "anti-spyware" out there is actually spyware in itself -
> > it installs some of the very stuff you get it to remove!
> > How in the world do people think that someone can release FREE software?
> > Uh-huh - it's supported by marketing and advertising - "spyware" that it
> > installs.
> > EVEN spyware removers in some cases install adware and spyware!
>
>Interesting comment.  Can you provide some specific examples?
>
> > There is pretty much no such thing as REAL free software.
>
>I beg to differ.  http://www.tucows.com and http://www.gnu.org
>
>These are a couple of the oldest and most widely used resources on the
>net.  Gnu software is nearly universal in the Unix and Linux worlds.
>
>Do any of these ring a bell?  Adobe Reader, Irfan View, Spybot,
>Ad-Aware, Linux, etc.  There's even a widely used term to describe it;
>"Freeware".
>
>I think in a fit of Messianic zeal, you may have over-generalized.
>Despite the popularity of the expression TANSTAAFL, _sometimes_ there is.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jan 11 07:21:13 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:21:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Spyware & Freeware
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501110842320.96243@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <00b801c4f7d8$732026a0$7ac4dccb@pcuser>
	<56993.165.206.180.118.1105449359.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0501110842320.96243@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <58027.165.206.180.118.1105456873.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

Yes, Arnie - you hit the nail...........
I failed to recall the gnu and public domain stuff.
I guess I should say "beware, not all is free that appears to be free".

It will take some time, but I can get some examples........
There are warnings out there in several anti-spyware forums.

As far as "other" software that says it's free but is underhanded about it
- bearshare used to install some really nasty stuff, and allowed you to
uncheck the boxes, but it installed ANYWAY.

Adobe gets you by saying "we'll set the standards and give you a FREE
reader, but the software to create such files is really crazy expensive.
There is also a solution there as well, a truly free gnu PDF creating
tool. It's hairy complex to use, but free and creates really nice small
PDF files.

Thanks for the correctoins - points taken.

Bill

> Hi Bill,
>
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote:
>
>> Watch out - some "anti-spyware" out there is actually spyware in itself
>> -
>> it installs some of the very stuff you get it to remove!
>> How in the world do people think that someone can release FREE software?
>> Uh-huh - it's supported by marketing and advertising - "spyware" that it
>> installs.
>> EVEN spyware removers in some cases install adware and spyware!
>
> Interesting comment.  Can you provide some specific examples?
>
>> There is pretty much no such thing as REAL free software.
>
> I beg to differ.  http://www.tucows.com and http://www.gnu.net
>
> These are a couple of the oldest and most widely used resources on the
> net.  Gnu software is nearly universal in the Unix and Linux worlds.
>
> Do any of these ring a bell?  Adobe Reader, Irfan View, Spybot,
> Ad-Aware, Linux, etc.  There's even a widely used term to describe it;
> "Freeware".
>
> I think in a fit of Messianic zeal, you may have over-generalized.
> Despite the popularity of the expression TANSTAAFL, _sometimes_ there is.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jan 11 07:24:41 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:24:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Spyware & Freeware (Correction)
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20050111094106.03730730@MAIL1.THEBOOK.COM>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501110904110.96243@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6.0.1.1.0.20050111094106.03730730@MAIL1.THEBOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <58033.165.206.180.118.1105457081.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

Not ALL "free" stuff has nasties - WinMX is clean.......... Bearshare is -
or WAS filthy dirty.
Spybot Search & Destroy is clean and good.
Firefox is a lean mean, and clean, browser. And Free.

Just beware.........

Since there are now alternatives to the Adobe products, I find them slow,
lame and inflated. I'm switching to alternatives. They are no longer the
only show in town, and their PDF creating software is horribly expensive
and bloated and not all that reliable compared to alternatives.

bilL

> Alert. I am agreeing with Arnie.
>
> I have been trying to get a friend to either buy Adobe reader or use one
> of
> the free writers.  He says all free stuff has virus.  There is just no
> convincing him.
>
> The oldest free ware I know of is PK Zip.  (I am not sure it still is,  I
> bought a commercial version of it some time ago.
>
> TClockEx   is a handy program that I always have running.
>
> Here is one that I think Arnie will like
> http://www.web-ee.com/Downloads/Calculator/V41R8.exe
>
> And here is one for Dave.
> http://www.softslide.com/downloads/k_and_e_slide_rule.exe
>
> Frank
>
> At 09:05 AM 1/11/2005, you wrote:
>
>>Hi Bill,
>>
>>On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote:
>>
>> > Watch out - some "anti-spyware" out there is actually spyware in
>> itself -
>> > it installs some of the very stuff you get it to remove!
>> > How in the world do people think that someone can release FREE
>> software?
>> > Uh-huh - it's supported by marketing and advertising - "spyware" that
>> it
>> > installs.
>> > EVEN spyware removers in some cases install adware and spyware!
>>
>>Interesting comment.  Can you provide some specific examples?
>>
>> > There is pretty much no such thing as REAL free software.
>>
>>I beg to differ.  http://www.tucows.com and http://www.gnu.org
>>
>>These are a couple of the oldest and most widely used resources on the
>>net.  Gnu software is nearly universal in the Unix and Linux worlds.
>>
>>Do any of these ring a bell?  Adobe Reader, Irfan View, Spybot,
>>Ad-Aware, Linux, etc.  There's even a widely used term to describe it;
>>"Freeware".
>>
>>I think in a fit of Messianic zeal, you may have over-generalized.
>>Despite the popularity of the expression TANSTAAFL, _sometimes_ there is.
>>
>>See ya,  Arnie
>>
>>Arnie Fero
>>Pittsburgh, PA
>>fero_ah at city-net.com
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>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jan 10 22:55:34 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:55:34 +1100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
In-Reply-To: <47693.165.206.180.118.1105370799.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <200501111555.j0BFtRji021777@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi Bill,
	A friend of mine has been using it on dial-up from a lap-top and
said it does work but there is a little bit more of a delay and a little
break up.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----
I just rebuilt a computer that will handle it, however, what about dial-up
- will it work with that? ( can connect at about 45K on a good day.
It's the ONLY option we country folks have around here.
There is no cable service, no DSL of any sort and people around here with
satellite Internet say it isn't any better than dial-up in these parts.
Will it work with that?

If so, I wonder about running it from a notebook with a wireless
connection to my dial-up network, then I could talk from any room.......
without cords at all (other than carrying around the notebook).

(not that anyone would care to listen to me....)

Bill





From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Jan 11 08:07:08 2005
From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:07:08 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine
Message-ID: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10120EA95@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>

Richard,

You ought to be subscribing to Western Antique Iron Trader ;-)
We advertised one in the June 2002 issue.

George Best
www.irontrader.com 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Allen
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 8:39 PM
> To: Stationary Engine List
> Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine
> 
> I have been trying to find a small bench top size 
> maypole-type braiding machine run by a hand crank or 
> fractional horsepower electric motor.
> The so-called maypole braid is what is used for making shoe 
> laces, braided polypropylene utility rope, braided leather 
> bolo neck ties, police whistle neck lanyards, key ring 
> lanyards, whips, and other such items. The braid is round and 
> hollow (shoelaces are flattened by ironing them), and always 
> composed of even numbers of flat or round lacing braided 
> under and over each other, not twisted as for rope.
> Other examples are the braided steel wire reinforcing for 
> high pressure hydraulic hoses, the shielding braid on coaxial 
> TV-VCR cable, garden hose reinforcing, etc. I hope those are 
> enough examples to get across the idea of what kind of 
> machine I am looking for. The commercial machines are 
> manufactured by Wardwell and sell for about as much as a new 
> car and are capable of making miles of braid per day, but I 
> neither need nor can afford one of those. I know the hand 
> operated ones exist because one of my childhood neighbors had 
> one for braiding leather bullwhips. I have done exhaustive 
> Internet searches and have been looking on eBay and other 
> places for both new and antique machines for several years 
> and the results I get are rumors that the only places where 
> they regularly show up is at antique engine/equipment shows. 
> If anyone runs across the whereabouts of one of these elusive 
> maypole/whip braiding machines, please email me at:
> 
> linstrum55 at yahoo.com
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Richard Allen
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jan 11 09:10:00 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:10:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine/now Volvo tractor
In-Reply-To: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10120EA95@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10120EA95@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
Message-ID: <41E40868.8030605@imc-group.com>

George,
Just for the heck of it I looked at the June 02 classified section and 
the tractor listing. At the bottom is a listing for a Volvo tractor! 
Ref: (Volvo tractor, 1957, new paint & tires;(Indio CA))
I have seen several Porsche tractors but never a Volvo tractor. Anybody 
got a picture of one?
This is a plowing tractor and not an over the road tractor, right???
Curt


George Best wrote:

>Richard,
>
>You ought to be subscribing to Western Antique Iron Trader ;-)
>We advertised one in the June 2002 issue.
>
>George Best
>www.irontrader.com 
>
>  
>



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jan 11 09:24:42 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:24:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Looking for whip braiding machine
In-Reply-To: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10120EA95@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10120EA95@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501111223440.96243@vegeta.city-net.com>

George,

S&M Quarterly does too.  8->>

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, George Best wrote:

> You ought to be subscribing to Western Antique Iron Trader ;-)
> We advertised one in the June 2002 issue.


From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jan 11 09:43:18 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:43:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules pistons and bores.
In-Reply-To: <41E3DE09.3070807@imc-group.com>
References: <41E3DE09.3070807@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <41E41036.7040909@imc-group.com>

Hey guys,
I found the clearance spec sheet that someone posted several years ago 
in the archives. I just put it on my website if anyone else wants it.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PistonClearances/PistSpec.jpg
or  
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PistonClearances/PistSpec.tif
Curt

Curt wrote:

> Have some questions about the smallest Herc pistons and bores.
>
> On the 1 1/2 - 2 HP Herc was the bore exactly 3.250 when new?
>
> Measuring an old piston (some wear?) the following measurements are 
> found:
> Dia. Skirt is 3.243 (.007 clearance to bore)
> Dia. Land 3 is 3.238 ( -.005, .012 clearance to bore)
> Dia. Land 2 is 3.236 ( -.007, .014 clearance)
> Dia. at Top is 3.232  ( -.011, .018 clearance)
>
> Do these clearances seem right for a bore of this size?
>
> This engine has been bored to 3.264 (or .014 oversized). I have made a 
> new piston for it and am wondering if I should simply take the old 
> piston measurments and add .014 to each measurement, or if I should 
> make some changes.
>
> A long time ago someone posted an old chart showing the correct step 
> dimensions to compensate for higher temperatures at the crown of the 
> piston. Is that information still around? Glenn, do you happen to have 
> any old Hercules information on clearances and steps for these pistons?
>
> Looking forward to your thoughts and comments.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
>
>
>
>   
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Tue Jan 11 09:52:43 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (diesel at easynet.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:52:43 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine/now Volvo tractor
In-Reply-To: <41E40868.8030605@imc-group.com>
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10120EA95@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
	<41E40868.8030605@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <1105465963.41e4126b3051a@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk>

Quoting Curt <curt at imc-group.com>:

> George,
> Just for the heck of it I looked at the June 02 classified section and 
> the tractor listing. At the bottom is a listing for a Volvo tractor! 
> Ref: (Volvo tractor, 1957, new paint & tires;(Indio CA))
> I have seen several Porsche tractors but never a Volvo tractor. Anybody 
> got a picture of one?
> This is a plowing tractor and not an over the road tractor, right???
> Curt

Curt:

There is a long history of tractors within Volvo as a group.

Year ago, Bolinders (Two brothers in Sweden who made semi-diesel marine and 
stationary engines) merged with Munktell, who made tractors and suchlike.

The resultant company, BM or Bolinder-Munktell went on that way until Volvo 
bought them up back a while, and the agricultural and earth-moving stuff always 
had 'Volvo-BM' on the badges up until very recently, if not today.

There are loads of links, this one gives most of the detail:

http://www.volvo.com/constructionequipment/global/en-gb/volvogroup/history/
the+company/AB+Bolinder-Munktell.htm

Sorry if that link word-wraps.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk
Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Jan 11 10:08:35 2005
From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:08:35 -0800
Subject: [SEL] now Volvo tractor
Message-ID: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10120EB19@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>

 Curt,

Not uncommon at all to see a Volvo tractor at one of the western shows.
Most of them are red and are a utility or general purpose farm tractor.
I think they are a 2 or 3 plow size tractor.

I probably have a picture or two of a Volvo tractor at home, I'll look
to see if I can locate one for you.

George

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 9:10 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding 
> machine/now Volvo tractor
> 
> George,
> Just for the heck of it I looked at the June 02 classified 
> section and the tractor listing. At the bottom is a listing 
> for a Volvo tractor! 
> Ref: (Volvo tractor, 1957, new paint & tires;(Indio CA)) I 
> have seen several Porsche tractors but never a Volvo tractor. 
> Anybody got a picture of one?
> This is a plowing tractor and not an over the road tractor, right???
> Curt
> 
> 
> George Best wrote:
> 
> >Richard,
> >
> >You ought to be subscribing to Western Antique Iron Trader ;-) We 
> >advertised one in the June 2002 issue.
> >
> >George Best
> >www.irontrader.com
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jan 11 10:30:01 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:30:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
In-Reply-To: <200501111555.j0BFtRji021777@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <47693.165.206.180.118.1105370799.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
	<200501111555.j0BFtRji021777@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <59385.165.206.180.118.1105468201.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

Thanks - sounds like it's worth a try.

BiLL

> Hi Bill,
> 	A friend of mine has been using it on dial-up from a lap-top and
> said it does work but there is a little bit more of a delay and a little
> break up.
> Patrick
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> I just rebuilt a computer that will handle it, however, what about dial-up
> - will it work with that? ( can connect at about 45K on a good day.
> It's the ONLY option we country folks have around here.
> There is no cable service, no DSL of any sort and people around here with
> satellite Internet say it isn't any better than dial-up in these parts.
> Will it work with that?
>
> If so, I wonder about running it from a notebook with a wireless
> connection to my dial-up network, then I could talk from any room.......
> without cords at all (other than carrying around the notebook).
>
> (not that anyone would care to listen to me....)
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jan 11 10:36:20 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:36:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT - car question and favor.....
In-Reply-To: <41E41036.7040909@imc-group.com>
References: <41E3DE09.3070807@imc-group.com> <41E41036.7040909@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <59392.165.206.180.118.1105468580.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

Not related to SE's, however at this time, it probably is.

I'm considering a 1970 Mark Donohue Javelin on eBay that's located in
Broad Brook, Connecticut.

Is there anyone here in that neighborhood?
I don't think it's worth flying out there to take a look and tha auction
ends in FOUR days, so time is _everything_ here.

I'd like to know what it really looks like, condition of seats and
interior, tires, clutch, etc. Is there rust in the trunk or floor or
around the back glass?
(fenders and doors can be replaced)
..........if anyone is willing to help me out, that is........

So far, the price is "ok" for what can be seen on a computer screen but I
suspect it will rise very quickly very soon......... AMC people tend to
wait then bid crazy high prices - and these MD's are quite rare cars.

Maybe someday I can return the favor, now that we are no longer tied down
with a quilt store...................

Bill Dickerson
Runnells, IA (in the ice belt of the US)


From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Jan 11 11:39:36 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:39:36 EST
Subject: [SEL] Omaha, OT
Message-ID: <149.3ca53984.2f158578@aol.com>

Anyone live in Omaha, NE 68127?  I am considering buying a shotgun from there 
and sort of reluctant to buy sight unseen other than pictures.  Also 
money/gun transfer another issue.

Thanks,

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Tue Jan 11 13:59:33 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:59:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Hercules pistons and bores.
In-Reply-To: <41E41036.7040909@imc-group.com>
References: <41E3DE09.3070807@imc-group.com> <41E41036.7040909@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <4ui8u09dkr7uh00hskh49333g6keguh80f@4ax.com>

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:43:18 -0500, you wrote:

>Hey guys,
>I found the clearance spec sheet that someone posted several years ago 
>in the archives. I just put it on my website if anyone else wants it.
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PistonClearances/PistSpec.jpg
>or  
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PistonClearances/PistSpec.tif
>Curt
>
>Curt wrote:
>
>> Have some questions about the smallest Herc pistons and bores.
>>
>> On the 1 1/2 - 2 HP Herc was the bore exactly 3.250 when new?
>>
>> Measuring an old piston (some wear?) the following measurements are 
>> found:
>> Dia. Skirt is 3.243 (.007 clearance to bore)
>> Dia. Land 3 is 3.238 ( -.005, .012 clearance to bore)
>> Dia. Land 2 is 3.236 ( -.007, .014 clearance)
>> Dia. at Top is 3.232  ( -.011, .018 clearance)
>>
>> Do these clearances seem right for a bore of this size?
>>
>> This engine has been bored to 3.264 (or .014 oversized). I have made a 
>> new piston for it and am wondering if I should simply take the old 
>> piston measurments and add .014 to each measurement, or if I should 
>> make some changes.
>>
>> A long time ago someone posted an old chart showing the correct step 
>> dimensions to compensate for higher temperatures at the crown of the 
>> piston. Is that information still around? Glenn, do you happen to have 
>> any old Hercules information on clearances and steps for these pistons?
>>
>> Looking forward to your thoughts and comments.
>> Curt Holland
>> Gastonia, NC

I have scanned the Hepolite Piston Service Manual page with the recommended
clearances for various piston types and materials:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/Piston1Red.jpg

There are also ring clearance details as well.

It is quite a high res scan, but not the original, that was 19mb!

Peter

--
Peter & Rita Forbes
Email Address:
diesel at easynet.co.uk
Web Pages for Engine Preservation:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Jan 11 15:38:23 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:38:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SAFETY AND SECURITY PROGRAM OFFERED BY MICROSOFT
In-Reply-To: <61549.167.142.22.193.1105411632.squirrel@167.142.22.193>
References: <005801c4f778$6c9692c0$fcc5dccb@pcuser>
	<41E336AC.4010107@optusnet.com.au>
	<61549.167.142.22.193.1105411632.squirrel@167.142.22.193>
Message-ID: <E21B847E-6429-11D9-9E10-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

It found a couple of things that were browser hijackers designed to 
post popups on my office PC, that weren't found by Spybot Search & 
Destroy (which hasn't had its database updated in months) or Adaware 
SE.

John

On Jan 10, 2005, at 9:47 PM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote:

> Won't find a thing on mine - I run spybot search and destroy, SAV 9.02
> Enterprise edition, plus being very security aware, as part of our 
> state
> department security team...... I try to not let such things get to me.
> Besides, MS stuff is always second rate compared to 3rd party products.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Tue Jan 11 17:37:49 2005
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:37:49 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Spyware 
In-Reply-To: <00b801c4f7d8$732026a0$7ac4dccb@pcuser>
References: <00b801c4f7d8$732026a0$7ac4dccb@pcuser>
Message-ID: <41E47F6D.60400@optusnet.com.au>

G'day Brian,

Sorry if my natural caution was misplaced. It was just that the 
reference to "trying it on YOUR computer" is one of the ploys used by 
the wicked of this world.

I have since had a look at your museum site. I used to know this area 
very well - as kids we always took our holidays at my Aunt's beach house 
at 22 Zephyr Street, Scarness. In later life I couldn't even find the 
house - it was beside a little gully, but has since disappeared!

But I will return! (Now living in Perth)

Apologies again

Jack Watson
nadejack at optusnet.com.au
================

Brian Taylor wrote:

>Hi Guys
>Apparently MS acquired this software from a 3rd party and are now developing it.
>Don't know why anyone would think the statement related to YOUR computer was "shonky".
>It was made in good faith. Several of my friends have tried it, and in most cases it has found spyware, even though they ran various other anti - spyware programmes.
>There is no compulsion to try it. Choice is yours.Unfortunately I do not get any commission from MS.
>I sent the message out of a desire to help others.
>Brian Taylor
>Hervey Bay Historical Museum
>13 Zephyr St..Scarness
>Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>




From rustyiron at bigpond.com  Tue Jan 11 08:05:01 2005
From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:05:01 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Magneto Lucas Sr1
References: <001f01c4f797$227aebe0$7ac4dccb@pcuser>
Message-ID: <006a01c4f7f7$5bc2eaa0$a976fea9@ibmbnh186c>

Hi Brian, Sounds like the Maggy is stuffed alright, more than likely the
coil. I have manuals for the SR1, if you want I can e-mail them to you, let
me know? The best person to talk to about these type of Magneto's is Alan
Johnson "The Maggyman"
http://home.rbm.com.au/maggyman/

Andy Nicholson
Exmouth W.A.
Oz.
rustyiron at bigpond.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Taylor" <brianne at ultratune.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 12:36 PM
Subject: [SEL] Magneto Lucas Sr1


Hi Guys
This query is related to the railway people mover I mentioned last week.
The Wisconsin engine is a AENLD, not as I first thought ABNLD.
Good news, engine is not seized.
Bad news, pulley drive assembly probably incorporating some kind of
centrifugal clutch is seized.

I am a bit perplexed about the magneto (Lucas SR1) on the Wisconsin engine
we are restoring.
It would appear that the SR1 is a self contained high tension magneto, not
requiring external power.
The high tension wire from the mag was connected to the spark plug.
The black low tension wire from within the mag was tucked away down one side
internally and not connected at all.(Did this used to be connected to
points?)
The low tension wire connected to the points appears to have been extended
and was connected to one side of an automotive type coil. There was no wire
to the other side of the coil and neither was there an HT lead from coil
tower.
My suspicion is that the mag low tension side was defective and that the low
tension power to the points was supplied via the ign coil. Other wires may
have been removed at some stage.
Does anyone have a description of the Lucas SR1 mag operating principles at
all?
Any help appreciated
Brian Taylor
Hervey Bay Historical Museum
13 Zephyr St..Scarness
Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jan 11 20:35:47 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:35:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] SAFETY AND SECURITY PROGRAM OFFERED BY MICROSOFT
In-Reply-To: <E21B847E-6429-11D9-9E10-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <200501120435.j0C4ZqF0031267@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

John,

It's also a matter of knowing what you are installing, where you are
visiting, and checking the "typical launch points" now and then. I've caught
things myself that the spy search apps have not, again, a matter of know
what should and what should not be there.
When you are snooping the Windows registry nearly daily on dozens of
computers, and looking at hard drives every week, you soon have a feel for
what isn't right. 
No database in the world can make up for that. 
It's like finding viruses using the definition ("fingerprint") method, or
the heuristics method - the first only works if you know what it looks like,
not if it's brand new. The latter, although it takes more horsepower, is
better for unknowns and new threats. Or finding a terrorist..............if
you don't know what he looks like, but know how one might act.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 5:38 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] SAFETY AND SECURITY PROGRAM OFFERED BY MICROSOFT

It found a couple of things that were browser hijackers designed to post
popups on my office PC, that weren't found by Spybot Search & Destroy (which
hasn't had its database updated in months) or Adaware SE.

John

On Jan 10, 2005, at 9:47 PM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote:

> Won't find a thing on mine - I run spybot search and destroy, SAV 9.02 
> Enterprise edition, plus being very security aware, as part of our 
> state department security team...... I try to not let such things get 
> to me.
> Besides, MS stuff is always second rate compared to 3rd party products.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA

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From gibsongus at myway.com  Tue Jan 11 22:21:02 2005
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:21:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Mixer
Message-ID: <20050112062102.D13523972@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 I was moving a Cushman cub 3hp from the shed out back and broke the needle valve off the carb. any body out there that mite have an extra one lying around that they would sell me???-----------------GusWhittier, CA

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From ignitors at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 11 22:27:23 2005
From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:27:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT. this all I need to hear
Message-ID: <001901c4f86f$c7cd8610$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>

xxxxx xxxxxxxxx has a patented "controlled cavitation" technology called 
ShockWave Power.. Cavitation

is normally considered a "destructive force" that one needs to eliminate 
from an industrial process.

However, cavitation can be applied in a controlled manner to mix or heat 
fluids that are difficult to process

by conventional technologies. The ShockWave Power. technology was evaluated 
as a method to improve

efficiency of black liquor oxidation, and to heat high solids content and 
difficult to process black liquor

without scaling. In this study black liquor was subjected to controlled 
cavitation by pumping it through a

mechanical device called the ShockWave PowerTM generator.

The ShockWave Power generator is designed to create microscopic cavitation 
bubbles by spinning a disc

containing numerous cavities in a tightly enclosed area. As the microscopic 
bubbles implode, shock waves

are released. This action converts mechanical energy into heat that is 
directly absorbed by the liquid.

Additionally, controlled cavitation produces efficient micromixing, for 
two-phase fluids. The cavitational

forces created are capable of breaking down large gas bubbles into 
microscopic bubbles as well as breaking

down the Van der Waals attraction between liquid molecules. Consequently, 
the surface area available for

gas-liquid mixing is dramatically increased and therefore enhances mass 
transfer.

Economics derived from this study indicate there are numerous opportunities 
for using controlled cavitation

in kraft pulp mills. Such applications include:

1. An alternative to low odor conversion of the recovery boiler

. Allows mills with direct contact evaporators to meet TRS limits

. Eliminates the expense of a low odor boiler conversion

2. Extended black liquor oxidation to increase recovery boiler capacity

. Reduces the gross heating value of the organic matter in kraft black 
liquor

. A low capital cost method of incrementally increasing black liquor 
processing

capacity and/or pulp production

3. Increased production efficiencies due to preheating and deactivation of 
concentrated black

liquor

. For high solids content (high viscosity) black liquors, the rate of heat 
transfer is not

limited by a film heat transfer coefficient that decreases as viscosity 
increases.

. For black liquors with a propensity to deposit scale on heat transfer 
surfaces, it

means no heat transfer scaling problems because there are no heat transfer 
surfaces

to scale.

Therefore, controlled cavitation can be characterized as a "breakthrough 
technology" with the potential to

achieve quantum improvements in certain pulp and paper operations.




From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jan 11 22:45:03 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:45:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mixer
In-Reply-To: <20050112062102.D13523972@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20050112062102.D13523972@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050112013635.102bad50@mail.alltel.net>

At 01:21 AM 1/12/2005, you wrote:
>  I was moving a Cushman cub 3hp from the shed out back and broke the 
> needle valve off the carb. any body out there that mite have an extra one 
> lying around that they would sell me???-----------------GusWhittier, CA

Hi Gus,
         I'm sure no Cushman Cub expert, but may have whet you need. There 
seems to be two adjusting screws (ie needle valves) on the parts engine 
that I have. The first one (ie the one nearest the intake is missing) but 
the inside one is there. Is that the one that you need? Can you send me a 
picture off List?
         Dace 



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 11 16:13:23 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:13:23 -0000
Subject: [SEL] OT but amusing
Message-ID: <003f01c4f83b$89179700$8c9f0952@no1>

I hope this translates to US ok. Passed on from the UK engine group.

AIR COMPRESSOR:
A machine that takes energy produced in a power station 200 miles away
and transforms it into compressed air that travels by hose to a
pneumatic impact wrench that grips rusty bolts last tightened 60 years
ago by someone in Birmingham, and either breaks or rounds them off.

ANGLE GRINDER:
When used to just take off that tiny burr - effectively turns a
perfectly painted panel into a surface resembling that of 30 grade
sandpaper. If a wire wheel is attached, can also be used by the more
extreme body mutilation aficionados, and for riot control those sharp
little wires shoot off in every direction and, at amazing speed.

BALL-PEEN HAMMER:
Interestingly, when first discovered in a cave by Fransco de Gama in
1602, the ball-peen hammer was useless, as the peen had not yet been
invented. Now used by those with steady hands to swat flies. Also used
as a universal centre-punch.

BATTERY HYDROMETER:
A handy tool for transferring sulphuric acid from a boat battery to
the inside of your toolbox after determining that your battery is dead
as a doornail, just as you thought.

BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR:
A tool that snaps off in bolt holes and is ten times harder than any
known drill bit.

CIRCLIP PLIERS:
Used to prise the lids off paint tins. Works better, if you snap off
those silly little nibs that fit circlips.

CROWBAR:
A tool used todestroy the metal surrounding that tiny clip or bracket
you needed to remove in order to replace a 50p part.

DRILL PRESS:
A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal stock
out of your hands so that it can then smack you in the chest at approx
3000rpm.

ELECTRIC DRILL:
Normally used for spinning Pop rivets in their holes until you die of
old age.

GASKET SCRAPER:
Theoretically useful as a tool for stirring tea or spreading
mayonnaise, however, used mainly for getting duck-crap off your boat.

HACKSAW:
One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board principle.
It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable motion, and
the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your
future becomes.

JUNIOR HACKSAW:
As above but less predictable.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as
a kind of divining rod to locate expensive parts not far from the
object we are trying to hit. Also used for bending nails. If used
properly, nail will bend, then fire itself across the room, as it is
now useless anyway.

HYDRAULIC JACK:
Used for lowering a car to the ground after you have restored your
brakes, trapping the jack handle firmly under the bumper.

EIGHT-FOOT LONG 4x2:
Used for levering a car upward off a hydraulic jack.

TWEEZERS:
A tool for removing wood splinters.

PHONE:
Tool for calling your neighbour to see if he has another hydraulic
jack.

LEAD-LIGHT:
The mechanic's own tanning booth. Sometimes called a drop light, it is
a good source of vitamin D, "the sunshine vitamin," which is not
otherwise found under engine hatches at night. Health benefits aside,
its main purpose is to consume 60-watt light bulbs at about the same
rate that 105-mm howitzer shells might be used during, say, the first
few hours of the Battle of the Bulge. More often dark than light, its
name is somewhat misleading.

MOLE WRENCH:
Used to round off bolt heads and to transfer intense welding heat to
the palm of your hand.

OXY-ACETYLENE TORCH:
Used almost entirely for igniting various flammable objects in your
garage. However, is also capable of causing the prone user to get out
from underneath the engine bay at the speed of light, when the white
hot blob of braze won't take on the exhaust silencer, you were hoping
might last another week or two, and eventually falls on your chest.

PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER:
Normally used to stab the lids of old-style tin oil cans and splash
oil on your shirt; can also be used, as the name implies, to round out
Phillips screw heads.

PLIERS:
Used to round off bolt heads.

SCREWDRIVER:
Device used for opening beer cans. Also serves as a chisel. Primarily
used for removing excess skin from palm and making random gouges in
things.

SILVER SOLDER:
Although this item was designed before the invention of plastic, its
main intention is as a replacement for twist-ties. Also used to prove
the "no two snowflakes" theory when melted above finished floors. It
has been said that Pershing used solder to practice bombing raids on
cockroaches.

STANLEY KNIFE:
Used to open and slice through the contents of cardboard cartons
delivered to your front door; works particularly well on boxes
containing custom made leather goods. Also used to cut hoses 1 inch
too short.

STAPLING GUN:
Invented by Charles Atlas for developing the forearm. This tool should
never be used for trying to attach one item to another, as staples are
not made in that size.

SU ADJUSTING SPANNER:
Teeny 1 1/2" long mini-spanner; drop into the inaccessible recesses of
your engine-bay, to simulate that vintage intermittent rattling noise.
If you don't want that vintage sound, it can easily be retrieved, see
under two-ton hydraulic engine hoist.

TIMING LIGHT:
A stroboscopic instrument for illuminating rust or grease build-up.

TIN SNIPS:
See hacksaw.

TWO-TON HYDRAULIC ENGINE HOIST:
A handy tool for testing the tensile strength of earth-straps and
other lines e.g. fuel you may have forgotten to disconnect prior to
removing engine.

16-INCH SCREWDRIVER:
A large engine-mount prying tool that inexplicably has an accurately
machined screwdriver tip on one end and no handle on the other.

WHITWORTH SPANNERS:
Once used for working on older cars and boats, they are now used
mainly for impersonating that 9/16 or any other you've been searching
for the last 15 minutes, end result similar to that of impact wrench
(see top of page)

WIRE WHEEL:
Cleans rust off old bolts and then throws them somewhere under the
workbench with the speed of light. Also removes fingerprint whorls and
hard-earned guitar callouses in about the time it takes you to say,
"Ouch...." See also angle grinder.

CHEMICAL SECTION:

GUNK:
Invented by Forrest Gunk. Gunks' primary component is mayonnaise, but
perfume and lanolin are added to make mechanics hands soft and lovely.
Also used for lubricating pipe fittings, and for getting rags dirty.
Do not eat. Once applied to skin, Gunk never comes off.

IMPACT ADHESIVE:
Used for removing the slots between your fingers.

LACQUER THINNER:
Used to cool skin. Also used to make lacquer useless. This chemical
was invented by E.I. DuPont de NeMours for the purpose of making
money. Creative mechanics often use lacquer thinner to tie-die
trousers while wearing them.

MINERAL SPIRITS:
Aka paint thinner, enamel thinner, used for wetting metal parts. Also
used for adhering paint brushes to containers. (Note: process takes
approx. one month in an open container) This chemical can be used in
place of any other chemical with reduced efficiency.

SILICON WAX:
Used to ensure that paint will never, ever adhere, ever again, or if
used by seasoned proffessionals can produce the most amazing "orange
peel" type finish.

WD40:
Deceptive oil-like substance, for making rusting parts rust faster,
but smell nice.

Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 11 10:29:00 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:29:00 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine/now Volvo tractor
References: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10120EA95@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
	<41E40868.8030605@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <001401c4f80b$6c7ff3b0$8c9f0952@no1>

Hi Curt, See http://www.witham-sv.com/vehicles/240.jpg
http://www.tractorpulling.nl/foto/merken/volvo/jpg/vo0810ds.jpg
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.iol.ie/~manister/tractortrouble/volvobm470.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.iol.ie/~ma
nister/tractortrouble/tractorx7c2.html&h=168&w=258&sz=30&tbnid=o1z9vYoxoqUJ:&tbnh=69&tbnw=105&start=73&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dvolvo%2B
tractor%26start%3D60%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine/now Volvo tractor


> George,
> Just for the heck of it I looked at the June 02 classified section and
> the tractor listing. At the bottom is a listing for a Volvo tractor!
> Ref: (Volvo tractor, 1957, new paint & tires;(Indio CA))
> I have seen several Porsche tractors but never a Volvo tractor. Anybody
> got a picture of one?
> This is a plowing tractor and not an over the road tractor, right???
> Curt
>
>
> George Best wrote:
>
> >Richard,
> >
> >You ought to be subscribing to Western Antique Iron Trader ;-)
> >We advertised one in the June 2002 issue.
> >
> >George Best
> >www.irontrader.com
> >
> >
> >
>
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 11 13:40:23 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:40:23 -0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
References: <47693.165.206.180.118.1105370799.squirrel@165.206.180.118><200501111555.j0BFtRji021777@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<59385.165.206.180.118.1105468201.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <000c01c4f826$2951f820$8c9f0952@no1>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 6:30 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype


> Thanks - sounds like it's worth a try. BiLL

Hi Bill, I have made friends with a 70 year old Texan university professor.
A week ago he called me on Skype from his laptop.
He was sat by the sidewalk outside Starbucks coffee house in Las Vegas &
he was using a Wi-Fi connection.
I was amazed as I could hear a cab start nearby & passers by walking & talking.
(I don't know the cost of a Wi-Fi link but he isn't short of $'s) 8^)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From ignitors at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 12 04:50:17 2005
From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 06:50:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT. this all I need to hear
References: <001901c4f86f$c7cd8610$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>
Message-ID: <001e01c4f8a5$45d6e4e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>

Hydro Dynamics

Ted Brookover
4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
816-763-3142
ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm

This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ted Brookover" <ignitors at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 12:27 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT. this all I need to hear


> xxxxx xxxxxxxxx has a patented "controlled cavitation" technology called 
> ShockWave Power.. Cavitation
>
> is normally considered a "destructive force" that one needs to eliminate 
> from an industrial process.
>
> However, cavitation can be applied in a controlled manner to mix or heat 
> fluids that are difficult to process
>
> by conventional technologies. The ShockWave Power. technology was 
> evaluated as a method to improve
>
> efficiency of black liquor oxidation, and to heat high solids content and 
> difficult to process black liquor
>
> without scaling. In this study black liquor was subjected to controlled 
> cavitation by pumping it through a
>
> mechanical device called the ShockWave PowerTM generator.
>
> The ShockWave Power generator is designed to create microscopic cavitation 
> bubbles by spinning a disc
>
> containing numerous cavities in a tightly enclosed area. As the 
> microscopic bubbles implode, shock waves
>
> are released. This action converts mechanical energy into heat that is 
> directly absorbed by the liquid.
>
> Additionally, controlled cavitation produces efficient micromixing, for 
> two-phase fluids. The cavitational
>
> forces created are capable of breaking down large gas bubbles into 
> microscopic bubbles as well as breaking
>
> down the Van der Waals attraction between liquid molecules. Consequently, 
> the surface area available for
>
> gas-liquid mixing is dramatically increased and therefore enhances mass 
> transfer.
>
> Economics derived from this study indicate there are numerous 
> opportunities for using controlled cavitation
>
> in kraft pulp mills. Such applications include:
>
> 1. An alternative to low odor conversion of the recovery boiler
>
> . Allows mills with direct contact evaporators to meet TRS limits
>
> . Eliminates the expense of a low odor boiler conversion
>
> 2. Extended black liquor oxidation to increase recovery boiler capacity
>
> . Reduces the gross heating value of the organic matter in kraft black 
> liquor
>
> . A low capital cost method of incrementally increasing black liquor 
> processing
>
> capacity and/or pulp production
>
> 3. Increased production efficiencies due to preheating and deactivation of 
> concentrated black
>
> liquor
>
> . For high solids content (high viscosity) black liquors, the rate of heat 
> transfer is not
>
> limited by a film heat transfer coefficient that decreases as viscosity 
> increases.
>
> . For black liquors with a propensity to deposit scale on heat transfer 
> surfaces, it
>
> means no heat transfer scaling problems because there are no heat transfer 
> surfaces
>
> to scale.
>
> Therefore, controlled cavitation can be characterized as a "breakthrough 
> technology" with the potential to
>
> achieve quantum improvements in certain pulp and paper operations.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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> 




From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 12 05:36:08 2005
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 05:36:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Maypole/whip braider-Thanks
Message-ID: <20050112133608.55951.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi, George Best & Arnie Fero, 

I just got back from checking out the Western Antique Iron Trader and
it looks like the place to keep an eye on.

Thanks!

Richard Allen


From gibsongus at myway.com  Wed Jan 12 17:30:27 2005
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:30:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Mixer
Message-ID: <20050113013027.4EA433971@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 Thanks Dave, but it broke off part of the mixer where the jam nut screws on.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Wed 01/12, Dave Rotigel &lt; rotigel at alltel.net &gt; wrote:
From: Dave Rotigel [mailto: rotigel at alltel.net]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:45:03 -0500Subject: Re: [SEL] MixerAt 01:21 AM 1/12/2005, you wrote:&gt; I was moving a Cushman cub 3hp from the shed out back and broke the &gt; needle valve off the carb. any body out there that mite have an extra one &gt; lying around that they would sell me???-----------------GusWhittier, CAHi Gus,I'm sure no Cushman Cub expert, but may have whet you need. There seems to be two adjusting screws (ie needle valves) on the parts engine that I have. The first one (ie the one nearest the intake is missing) but the inside one is there. Is that the one that you need? Can you send me a picture off List?Dace _______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From rdi at rochester.rr.com  Wed Jan 12 17:39:54 2005
From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:39:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Taylor Vacuum Engine- webpage
Message-ID: <000a01c4f910$c871a320$92b5a918@rochester.rr.com>

Howdy, SEL folks!

I got a Taylor Vacuum Engine "for Christmas", and have put up a web page
about it and my progress in getting it running. This is my first old engine-
it's a 2 HP Type C.

I finally figured out what was wrong with my Wico magneto on New Years' Eve,
and got my first spark at 12:10 AM! What a way to start the year!

The web page is at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/

-Rick
near Rochester, NY



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Jan 12 17:51:59 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:51:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need to make a contact
Message-ID: <41E5D43F.2080707@scrtc.com>

Does anyone have a phone number for Larry Lueke (not sure about 
spelling)?  I don't have his phone number here and thought I could get 
it from Rick Rohrs but when I dial Rick's number I get a recording the 
number has been changed.  Please contact me off list.  Thanks.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY






From alkamminga at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 11 22:31:00 2005
From: alkamminga at hotmail.com (Al Kamminga)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:31:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine
In-Reply-To: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10120EA95@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>
Message-ID: <BAY21-F15B19C20FB58CFD2A9BE37C9890@phx.gbl>



>Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine
>
 >I have been trying to find a small bench top size
 >maypole-type braiding machine run by a hand crank or
 >fractional horsepower electric motor.
 >The so-called maypole braid is what is used for making shoe
 > laces, braided polypropylene utility rope, braided leather
 > bolo neck ties, police whistle neck lanyards, key ring
 > lanyards, whips, and other such items. The braid is round and
 > hollow (shoelaces are flattened by ironing them), and always
 > composed of even numbers of flat or round lacing braided
 > under and over each other, not twisted as for rope.
 > Other examples are the braided steel wire reinforcing for
 > high pressure hydraulic hoses, the shielding braid on coaxial
 > TV-VCR cable, garden hose reinforcing, etc. I hope those are
 > enough examples to get across the idea of what kind of
 > machine I am looking for. The commercial machines are
 > manufactured by Wardwell and sell for about as much as a new
 > car and are capable of making miles of braid per day, but I
 > neither need nor can afford one of those. I know the hand
 > operated ones exist because one of my childhood neighbors had
 > one for braiding leather bullwhips. I have done exhaustive
 > Internet searches and have been looking on eBay and other
 > places for both new and antique machines for several years
 > and the results I get are rumors that the only places where
 > they regularly show up is at antique engine/equipment shows.
 > If anyone runs across the whereabouts of one of these elusive
 > maypole/whip braiding machines, please email me at:
 >
 > linstrum55 at yahoo.com
 >
 > Richard Allen

Hi.  Benn a long time since I replied to anyone or anything here.  I have 3 
New England Butt (now made by Wardwell) braiders.  Two are round braiders 
with 16 carriers, the other is a flat braider with 17 cdarriers.  One of 
them has a Pat. Date of 1883, the other two are about 1896 or 1898.  I use a 
small electric motor to run them as turning them using the hand crank 
severly takes away time from talking to people.  There is someone at every 
show wants to buy the machines and I have been told to name my price.  No, I 
am not ready to sell them, it is too much fun to show them.

Yes, they make shoe laces and all those other things.  I make laces in 
school colors and usually sell some at shows and word of mouth.  Round braid 
is round but flat braid is flat and never was round.  It is not a flattened 
round braid.  I will be happy to send you a sample of each.  Flat braiders 
always have an odd number of threads while round braiders have an even 
number.  The braid pattern of 2 over, 2 under is the same on both machines.  
I run them very slow so as not to make miles a day and give people the 
opportunity to see how they work.  I get a yard of braid every 2 minutes or 
so.  There is always a crowd around my display.  Most days I never get lunch 
or a break.

Let me know if I can answer any questions.

Al Kamminga
alkamminga at hotmail.com
DeMotte Indiana
formally of Bettendorf Iowa

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From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Jan 12 19:35:18 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:35:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Taylor Vacuum Engine- webpage
In-Reply-To: <000a01c4f910$c871a320$92b5a918@rochester.rr.com>
References: <000a01c4f910$c871a320$92b5a918@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050112222458.1037cc98@mail.alltel.net>

At 08:39 PM 1/12/2005, you wrote:
>Howdy, SEL folks!
>I got a Taylor Vacuum Engine "for Christmas", and have put up a web page
>about it and my progress in getting it running. This is my first old engine-
>it's a 2 HP Type C.
>I finally figured out what was wrong with my Wico magneto on New Years' Eve,
>and got my first spark at 12:10 AM! What a way to start the year!
>The web page is at:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/
>-Rick
>near Rochester, NY

Hi Rick,
         Very nicely done. You have taught all of us what to look for and 
"do' with a first engine. I'm going to keep a copy of your page to 
show/pass out to people who ask me about acquiring an engine--THANKS! You 
should be real proud of your "first" engine--believe me more will follow! 
The "mystery bolt" is indeed a set screw for tightening the mixer. Please 
keep the page updated and let us know when you add something to it.
         Dave 



From glenn.karch at gte.net  Wed Jan 12 19:44:48 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:44:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Taylor Vacuum Engine- webpage
References: <000a01c4f910$c871a320$92b5a918@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c4f922$3e430380$0229ea41@oemcomputer>

Hey Rick,

I just looked at your web page.  You done good.  Before long you will be a
pro.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick I." <rdi at rochester.rr.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 7:39 PM
Subject: [SEL] Taylor Vacuum Engine- webpage


> Howdy, SEL folks!
>
> I got a Taylor Vacuum Engine "for Christmas", and have put up a web page
> about it and my progress in getting it running. This is my first old
engine-
> it's a 2 HP Type C.
>
> I finally figured out what was wrong with my Wico magneto on New Years'
Eve,
> and got my first spark at 12:10 AM! What a way to start the year!
>
> The web page is at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/
>
> -Rick
> near Rochester, NY
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jan 13 05:20:31 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:20:31 EST
Subject: [SEL] Taylor Vacuum Engine- webpage
Message-ID: <1ec.3248da25.2f17cf9f@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/12/2005 9:00:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rdi at rochester.rr.com writes:

<< I got a Taylor Vacuum Engine "for Christmas", and have put up a web page
 about it and my progress in getting it running >>


Rick, 

 Very nice history of your first engine and assessment of what to look for 
and how to figure out what is wrong/missing.  Loosen bolt question.  Number one 
is patience!  Try to turn each way.  Peck on head with a hammer.  Soak with 
penetrant.  Do each day.  Great way is with heat from torch heating very hot, 
let cool.  Make take several iterations.  Since your engine is painted may not 
want to go this route.  Also do not use on the gas tank for obvious reasons! 

Keep up the nice web pages!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From oldengin at udata.com  Thu Jan 13 06:15:07 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:15:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine
In-Reply-To: <BAY21-F15B19C20FB58CFD2A9BE37C9890@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY21-F15B19C20FB58CFD2A9BE37C9890@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41E6826B.2040601@udata.com>

Al Kamminga wrote:

>
>
>
> Let me know if I can answer any questions.
>
> Al Kamminga
> alkamminga at hotmail.com
> DeMotte Indiana
> formally of Bettendorf Iowa
>
Al, let me know what shows you are doing this year as I would love to 
see one of these units up close.. Nice story, any pics of your different 
machines?

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jan 13 07:30:36 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:30:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <41E6826B.2040601@udata.com>
References: <BAY21-F15B19C20FB58CFD2A9BE37C9890@phx.gbl>
	<41E6826B.2040601@udata.com>
Message-ID: <15676.165.206.180.118.1105630236.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

I'm thinking of buying a car in CT.
Nothing certain and even if I try, no guarentee I'd get it, however, I'm
trying to plan.
I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning the
terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.

Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa area and
can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path from here
to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)

Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton 4x4, gas
usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13 mpg)
I'm hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive back in
about 3 days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks, etc.

(I'm also hoping I can talk my son or someone into going along for comic
releif)

bilL
Runnells, Iowa


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jan 13 07:41:42 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:41:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine
In-Reply-To: <41E6826B.2040601@udata.com>
References: <BAY21-F15B19C20FB58CFD2A9BE37C9890@phx.gbl>
	<41E6826B.2040601@udata.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501131039590.16197@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Leroy,

Have a care what you wish for.  Al has some of the most amazing machines!
But, BE WARNED, looking underneath to watch 'em work will make you dizzy!!
8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Leroy C. wrote:

> Al Kamminga wrote:
> >
> > Let me know if I can answer any questions.
> >
> > Al Kamminga
> > alkamminga at hotmail.com
> > DeMotte Indiana
> > formally of Bettendorf Iowa
> >
> Al, let me know what shows you are doing this year as I would love to
> see one of these units up close.. Nice story, any pics of your different
> machines?


From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Thu Jan 13 08:33:53 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:33:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <15676.165.206.180.118.1105630236.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <20050113163353.65306.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com>

Bill

I have a 4hp Engine (1000 lbs)in Maine that needs to come back west...to
Chicago...I do have plans in the works to get it to the Portland Swap or
CPM in June if nothing else works before then...

Steve
--- bill at antique-engines.com wrote:

I'm thinking of buying a car in CT.
Nothing certain and even if I try, no guarentee I'd get it, however, I'm
trying to plan.
I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning the
terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.
 
Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa area and
can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path from here
to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)
 
Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton 4x4, gas
usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13 mpg) I'm
hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive back in about 3
days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks, etc.
 
(I'm also hoping I can talk my son or someone into going along for comic
releif)

bilL
Runnells, Iowa



From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jan 13 08:39:33 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:39:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501131039590.16197@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <BAY21-F15B19C20FB58CFD2A9BE37C9890@phx.gbl>
	<41E6826B.2040601@udata.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0501131039590.16197@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <17149.165.206.180.118.1105634373.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

I've been setup across from Al's braiding machines and they are a
mechanical marvel - and you get dizzy if you try to figure them out while
they are running!

I have some pics somewhere.............

Bill

> Hi Leroy,
>
> Have a care what you wish for.  Al has some of the most amazing machines!
> But, BE WARNED, looking underneath to watch 'em work will make you dizzy!!
> 8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Leroy C. wrote:
>
>> Al Kamminga wrote:
>> >
>> > Let me know if I can answer any questions.
>> >
>> > Al Kamminga
>> > alkamminga at hotmail.com
>> > DeMotte Indiana
>> > formally of Bettendorf Iowa
>> >
>> Al, let me know what shows you are doing this year as I would love to
>> see one of these units up close.. Nice story, any pics of your different
>> machines?
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jan 13 08:57:50 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:57:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <20050113163353.65306.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <15676.165.206.180.118.1105630236.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
	<20050113163353.65306.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <17449.165.206.180.118.1105635470.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

Interesting thought - keep this all in mind.
How far is the engine from Broad Brook, CT?
Time will be short - I'll be taking few breaks as I have LITTLE vacation,
but this is interesting..............
1,000# would be nothing...... (except for loading and unloading!!!)

Bill

> Bill
>
> I have a 4hp Engine (1000 lbs)in Maine that needs to come back west...to
> Chicago...I do have plans in the works to get it to the Portland Swap or
> CPM in June if nothing else works before then...
>
> Steve
> --- bill at antique-engines.com wrote:
>
> I'm thinking of buying a car in CT.
> Nothing certain and even if I try, no guarentee I'd get it, however, I'm
> trying to plan.
> I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
> Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning the
> terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.
>
> Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa area and
> can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path from here
> to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)
>
> Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton 4x4, gas
> usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13 mpg) I'm
> hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive back in about 3
> days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks, etc.
>
> (I'm also hoping I can talk my son or someone into going along for comic
> releif)
>
> bilL
> Runnells, Iowa
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Thu Jan 13 10:36:24 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:36:24 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
Message-ID: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com>

Hi Bill,
I have covered that route as far as the PA Turnpike where it swings south 
toward Pittsburgh.  Interstate 80 in Illinois is in pretty good shape.  You will 
fine that, when you are towing a trailer your speed limit is 55 mph.  If your 
dolly is in the truck, you can run 65 on your way out.  Illinois does have 
plenty of state troopers.

The nastiest part of the run is trying to get past Chicago.  Try to avoid the 
"rush" hour traffic, and be particularly careful as you are on the East side 
of Chicago and have to turn right to follow I 80 as there are some rough spots 
there.

This time of year, snow can come off the lake in an instant.  Good luck.

Regards,
Ron Carroll (enjoying 66 degrees F here in Nokesville, Virginia, today)
PS:  You might make it in three days, but I would take four.

In a message dated 1/13/2005 10:39:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
bill at antique-engines.com writes:
I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning the
terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.

Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa area and
can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path from here
to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)

Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton 4x4, gas
usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13 mpg)
I'm hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive back in
about 3 days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks, etc.


From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Thu Jan 13 11:45:32 2005
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:45:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c4f9a8$751949b0$0301a8c0@ALEC>

Hi,
 The 80 route is fine. I go from Portland to Portland via rt.90/80 and drop
down in In. to the show, It is 1000 miles. I can do it in 17 hrs( 21 with
jams, slow going)  , fully loaded, I am always fully loaded on the way back
because I sold the junk I took out there and replaced it with new junk,,,,,
 You will get 9.3 miles to the gallon on the way home, just and "edecated"
guess,
Let me know if you can take Steve's engine along

Alec J. Stevens
Investment Specialist
80 Leighton Road, Suite C
Falmouth, ME 04105
(800)842-6669
(207)797-5169
(207)797-2819
>
>> bill at antique-engines.com writes:
> I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
> Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning the
> terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.
>
> Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa area and
> can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path from here
> to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)
>
> Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton 4x4, gas
> usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13 mpg)
> I'm hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive back in
> about 3 days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks, etc.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 13 12:14:52 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:14:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c4f9ac$8d495120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>


> I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
> Connecticut is nearly 19 hours.

Always cross refference Mapquest . It aint even close to perfect .
 I banged in an addy for a TX A&M auditorium to go see Pepe Romero and the
symphony ,
hopped in the truck and sped away.. it sent me to the other side of Corpus
After driving like Bullitt , we made it with about 30 seconds to spare .

Have found numerous errors over time , mostly when it gets down to a
physical address .
zip to zip they always get



From yostsw at atis.net  Thu Jan 13 12:30:34 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:30:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re[2]: Charity auction
In-Reply-To: <200501101930.j0AJUpuB089452@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200501101930.j0AJUpuB089452@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <200501131530340500.045F2509@heavyiron.atis.net>

Interestingly but predictably, my personal mail ran like this:
Participants said "Thank you" and the non-participants said "How dare you!"

Having had a couple days to calm down, I find that I can't calm down and am
actually still quite upset about all of this.   Allow me to answer
everyone's email and then I will drop the subject and not speak of it
again:

>In short, if you don't want everyone's opinion, don't ask for it.
>

I use the lists as a convenience for reaching auction participants, and
have done so every year.   This year is no different

>Having read this one and the latest post today, I am a little puzzled
>by your comments.
>

Shouldn't be puzzled.  I was very explicit - I am not singling out any one
person.   The problem was the sheer number of posts from non-participants -
It outnumbered participants.   The non-participant opinions were in the
decided minority in previous years so I over-looked it.  Since it was an
aberration in previous years it wasn't a problem; but you can bet I think
it is a problem now that it is the rule and not an aberration.


(I received this message personally, but hid his identity and am responding
publicly because he brings up a point that I want to make clear to
everyone.)
>To Spencer:
>Whether you intended it or not, it sounds like you're talking about
charity
>contributions as a condition of participation on the ...lists...
>


No, it is not a requirement for participation in the lists.  However,
having said that, participation is a simple favor that I and the volunteers
have asked of each of you in recognition of the efforts of ATIS volunteers
and myself.  Considering you would be buying parts and manuals and engines
and tools you would normally buy anyways or donating stuff you would
normally give away to friends, this is not a big sacrifice nor a big favor
to ask.   On top of that, if for some reason anyone really thinks that all
of this should be totally and utterly free, without even so much of a
thank-you, I would simply hope these folks would acknowledge they have no
right to say a _thing_ about the proceeds of that auction.

...snip...
>If you bring volunteers together to help with something, don't let them
>stand around. Make sure you have a precise list of things that need to be
>done and let them get right to work (learned from working as a volunteer
>and with volunteers at our local club)
>

As for volunteers - I gave up years ago.   Over time it always whittles
back to the same 12 volunteers.  If it weren't for those dozen people (you
all know who you are - Thanks!), I wouldn't get ANY help and can't keep
going back to that trough for more water.


>Spencer,
>...many times the people who tell you that what you are
>doing is a bad idea are your best friends and in fact have your best
>interest in mind.

Again - I was very specific.  I am not mad about the tsunami idea - I
actually have no feeling one way or another.  It is just a few charities
called and said there is a tremendous need so I floated the idea.   I have
no problem donating elsewhere.  My beef with list members is NOT about the
tsunami relief ( where the money goes is immaterial to me, as long as it
does some good).  It is about a BUNCH of people failing to acknowledge a
debt of gratitude to my volunteers and myself and then talking out of turn
and dis-respecting those that have participated.  

>
>...If maybe you promoted it more...
>

I refuse to be a constant cheerleader, coercing everyone to do just one
little thing a year that LEAVES THE cheer-ees in a better position.   If
you can't figure out it is in your best interest I am not going to point it
out.  I want nothing to do with someone that needs to be cajoled to do a
friend, who provides a free service, a favor by participating in an auction
that leaves that person better off AND helps those less fortunate.   

This is a corporate symptom of a collective unwillingness to acknowledge a
debt of gratitude is owed to a dedicated group of volunteers that make this
site and lists possible.  Most amazing part of this whole deal is this
auction, for the most part and for most people, leaves you better off.
There are no free lunches but the lunches at the ATIS counter are as cheap
as they get and if its too expensive for you, then you can't afford tractor
or engine talk.

I feel the worst most of the volunteers who right think their contribution
doesn't matter to anyone.   Right now, I am inclined to agree.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net



From BillMil357 at aol.com  Thu Jan 13 12:32:39 2005
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:32:39 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT Condolance messages.
Message-ID: <104.5882eb04.2f1834e7@aol.com>

Hey Everyone,
 
I want to thank you people that sent condolence messages concerning the  
death of my oldest brother, I was up in Evansville, Indiana at the Funeral Home  
and (guess who walked in) Glenn Karch (Hercules Historian) came by to show his  
respect, and Glenn that sure did mean a lot to me, it helped to make the day 
a  little easier and I thank you for it.
 
See ya,
 
Bill Miller
Memphis, TN. 


From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 13 13:52:43 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:52:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
References: <BAY21-F15B19C20FB58CFD2A9BE37C9890@phx.gbl><41E6826B.2040601@udata.com>
	<15676.165.206.180.118.1105630236.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <00b301c4f9be$260b8c50$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>

Hi Bill,

I live just North of  Danbury, CT and travel to OH, IND and Ill a couple of 
times a year.  The first time I tried map Quest it routed me thru New YUK 
which I avoid with a passion. I take I-84 West to I-81 South at Scranton PA 
.  I-81 takes me to I-80. This way I avoid all the bad city traffic and 
associated bridges. I take I-80 to I-76 / I 71 South  to I-70 with out any 
tolls. You won't go this way but it, but it takes 12 hours to go to Dayton, 
OH. and 13 to get to Cincinnati ,where I am now.

If you need a place to stay in CT, I have a couple of empty bed rooms.

Ed Stoller


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:30 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info


> I'm thinking of buying a car in CT.
> Nothing certain and even if I try, no guarentee I'd get it, however, I'm
> trying to plan.
> I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
> Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning the
> terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.
>
> Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa area and
> can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path from here
> to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)
>
> Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton 4x4, gas
> usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13 mpg)
> I'm hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive back in
> about 3 days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks, etc.
>
> (I'm also hoping I can talk my son or someone into going along for comic
> releif)
>
> bilL
> Runnells, Iowa
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 13 14:02:00 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:02:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com> <004b01c4f9a8$751949b0$0301a8c0@ALEC>
Message-ID: <00b401c4f9be$2913c340$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>

Alec,
9.3 MPG. What are you running? I am getting ready to buy a new truck and am 
expecting 20 MPG with a Cummings and automatic. Am I nuts? I was thinking of 
4x4 but am thinking a 2x4 will get better milage and will be closer to the 
ground to load garden tractors.

Ed Stoller
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alec Stevens" <ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info


> Hi,
> The 80 route is fine. I go from Portland to Portland via rt.90/80 and drop
> down in In. to the show, It is 1000 miles. I can do it in 17 hrs( 21 with
> jams, slow going)  , fully loaded, I am always fully loaded on the way 
> back
> because I sold the junk I took out there and replaced it with new 
> junk,,,,,
> You will get 9.3 miles to the gallon on the way home, just and "edecated"
> guess,
> Let me know if you can take Steve's engine along
>
> Alec J. Stevens
> Investment Specialist
> 80 Leighton Road, Suite C
> Falmouth, ME 04105
> (800)842-6669
> (207)797-5169
> (207)797-2819
>>
>>> bill at antique-engines.com writes:
>> I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
>> Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning the
>> terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.
>>
>> Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa area and
>> can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path from 
>> here
>> to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)
>>
>> Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton 4x4, 
>> gas
>> usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13 mpg)
>> I'm hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive back in
>> about 3 days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks, etc.
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>
>
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From oldiron at charter.net  Thu Jan 13 15:05:15 2005
From: oldiron at charter.net (OldIron)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:05:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine
In-Reply-To: <41E6826B.2040601@udata.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c4f9c4$58fd5480$6401a8c0@myron>

I saw this bra1ding machine at Butterfield Minnesota show last year.

Is this what you are looking for.
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009686&a=31591309&f=
This fellow ran a hit and miss to do its spinning. Show string is being made in the
photo's

Myron Busch
Northfield Minnesota. -5.9 degrees and dropping Wind chill -34 degrees. 



> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-
> engine.com] On Behalf Of Leroy C.
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 8:15 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine
> 
> Al Kamminga wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > Let me know if I can answer any questions.
> >
> > Al Kamminga
> > alkamminga at hotmail.com
> > DeMotte Indiana
> > formally of Bettendorf Iowa
> >
> Al, let me know what shows you are doing this year as I would love to
> see one of these units up close.. Nice story, any pics of your different
> machines?
> 
> --
> 		C-ya
> 
> 		  Leroy Clark
> 
> "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
>             W.A. NANCE
> 
> 
> better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark
> 
> 
> 
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 13 15:22:02 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:22:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Looking for maypole/whip braiding machine
References: <001a01c4f9c4$58fd5480$6401a8c0@myron>
Message-ID: <008c01c4f9c6$b08a21e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>

I have a shot of a hand cranked chicken wire weaving machine I will email to
anyone that axts for one .



> I saw this bra1ding machine at Butterfield Minnesota show last year.
>
> Is this what you are looking for.
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009686&a=31591309&f=
> This fellow ran a hit and miss to do its spinning. Show string is being
made in the
> photo's
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jan 13 15:39:48 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:39:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <00b401c4f9be$2913c340$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com> <004b01c4f9a8$751949b0$0301a8c0@ALEC>
	<00b401c4f9be$2913c340$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>
Message-ID: <41E706C4.7080607@scrtc.com>

Ed,

    I have had 3 Dodge Pickups with Cummins engines.  The best I have 
gotten on any of them is 22.5 mpg.  That was the bare truck, empty bed, 
tailgate down, cruse set on 70, non stop interstate driving.  If you are 
going to pull a trailer and you get a 4 X 4, don't expect 20 mpg.  I 
would guess more like 14 to 15.  The truck I have now has the Cummins 
and is a 2 WD.  Pulling a trailer with 6,500 lbs behind it will lug me 
down to about 16 mpg.   I'd go the automatic route.  They're built 
pretty stout and seem to hold up well behind the Cummins.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky



Ed Stoller wrote:

> Alec,
> 9.3 MPG. What are you running? I am getting ready to buy a new truck 
> and am expecting 20 MPG with a Cummings and automatic. Am I nuts? I 
> was thinking of 4x4 but am thinking a 2x4 will get better milage and 
> will be closer to the ground to load garden tractors.
>
> Ed Stoller
>



From clemsweller at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 13 16:38:00 2005
From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:38:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <00b401c4f9be$2913c340$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>
Message-ID: <001201c4f9d1$4f526ee0$0100a8c0@chuckvmzoexd2q>

I have a 2004 Dodge Cummins 4x4 with an automatic.  Running highway, I
get 21mpg.  When I load it with my 18 foot trailer to pull to shows, it
drops to 18mgp.  

Chuck Emsweller

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed Stoller
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:02 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info

Alec,
9.3 MPG. What are you running? I am getting ready to buy a new truck and
am 
expecting 20 MPG with a Cummings and automatic. Am I nuts? I was
thinking of 
4x4 but am thinking a 2x4 will get better milage and will be closer to
the 
ground to load garden tractors.

Ed Stoller
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alec Stevens" <ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info


> Hi,
> The 80 route is fine. I go from Portland to Portland via rt.90/80 and
drop
> down in In. to the show, It is 1000 miles. I can do it in 17 hrs( 21
with
> jams, slow going)  , fully loaded, I am always fully loaded on the way

> back
> because I sold the junk I took out there and replaced it with new 
> junk,,,,,
> You will get 9.3 miles to the gallon on the way home, just and
"edecated"
> guess,
> Let me know if you can take Steve's engine along
>
> Alec J. Stevens
> Investment Specialist
> 80 Leighton Road, Suite C
> Falmouth, ME 04105
> (800)842-6669
> (207)797-5169
> (207)797-2819
>>
>>> bill at antique-engines.com writes:
>> I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
>> Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning
the
>> terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.
>>
>> Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa area
and
>> can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path from

>> here
>> to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)
>>
>> Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton
4x4, 
>> gas
>> usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13 mpg)
>> I'm hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive back
in
>> about 3 days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks, etc.
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 

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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 13 17:27:41 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:27:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
References: <001201c4f9d1$4f526ee0$0100a8c0@chuckvmzoexd2q>
Message-ID: <003601c4f9d8$3f874ba0$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>

Thank you Tommy, Ron , Chuck and all.

Your input is of great value. My brother Al from Sunrise Beach, MO has a 
1994 and he has been coaching me. I go to the Cummins plant tomorrow for a 
tour of where they build them. My son John used to make the computer code 
for the road tractor engines and suggested that I may have Cummins customize 
the engine calibration settings to my needs like they do on road tractors. 
The guys with Chevy's are having the computer chips ( PROMs changed.)  Al 
also put me on to the www.turbodeiselregister.com site, but it is under 
maintenance.

I also collect vintage garden tractors and am trying to figure out how to 
drive them up into the truck bed. It is a  lot higher than the trailer I 
have used for years.

Ed Stoller


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "chuck emsweller" <clemsweller at earthlink.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 7:38 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] OT - road trip info


>I have a 2004 Dodge Cummins 4x4 with an automatic.  Running highway, I
> get 21mpg.  When I load it with my 18 foot trailer to pull to shows, it
> drops to 18mgp.
>
> Chuck Emsweller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed Stoller
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:02 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info
>
> Alec,
> 9.3 MPG. What are you running? I am getting ready to buy a new truck and
> am
> expecting 20 MPG with a Cummings and automatic. Am I nuts? I was
> thinking of
> 4x4 but am thinking a 2x4 will get better milage and will be closer to
> the
> ground to load garden tractors.
>
> Ed Stoller
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alec Stevens" <ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info
>
>
>> Hi,
>> The 80 route is fine. I go from Portland to Portland via rt.90/80 and
> drop
>> down in In. to the show, It is 1000 miles. I can do it in 17 hrs( 21
> with
>> jams, slow going)  , fully loaded, I am always fully loaded on the way
>
>> back
>> because I sold the junk I took out there and replaced it with new
>> junk,,,,,
>> You will get 9.3 miles to the gallon on the way home, just and
> "edecated"
>> guess,
>> Let me know if you can take Steve's engine along
>>
>> Alec J. Stevens
>> Investment Specialist
>> 80 Leighton Road, Suite C
>> Falmouth, ME 04105
>> (800)842-6669
>> (207)797-5169
>> (207)797-2819
>>>
>>>> bill at antique-engines.com writes:
>>> I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
>>> Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning
> the
>>> terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.
>>>
>>> Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa area
> and
>>> can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path from
>
>>> here
>>> to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)
>>>
>>> Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton
> 4x4,
>>> gas
>>> usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13 mpg)
>>> I'm hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive back
> in
>>> about 3 days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks, etc.
>>> 


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 13 18:14:24 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:14:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <003601c4f9d8$3f874ba0$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>
Message-ID: <20050114021424.1918.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Ed,

Hey Buddy, I drive a 3/4 ton 2WD Dodge pickup.  I just went to a local trailer supply and bought a
set of metal ramp ends to bolt onto a pair of eight foot treated 2X12s.

I have no problem driving garden tractors up the ramps.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan

--- Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Thank you Tommy, Ron , Chuck and all.
> 
> Your input is of great value.

SNIP
> 
> I also collect vintage garden tractors and am trying to figure out how to 
> drive them up into the truck bed. It is a  lot higher than the trailer I 
> have used for years.
> 
> Ed Stoller



		
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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Thu Jan 13 23:13:16 2005
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:13:16 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <003601c4f9d8$3f874ba0$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>
References: <001201c4f9d1$4f526ee0$0100a8c0@chuckvmzoexd2q>
	<003601c4f9d8$3f874ba0$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>
Message-ID: <YTN8vAXME35BFwEy@loud-n-clear.net>

In message <003601c4f9d8$3f874ba0$0202a8c0 at SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>, Ed 
Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net> writes
>Al also put me on to the www.turbodeiselregister.com site, but it is 
>under maintenance.

Try http://www.turbodieselregister.com/ instead - works for me.

Regards

      Pete
-- 
Peter Scales


From wrl at gwltd.com  Fri Jan 14 04:52:52 2005
From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:52:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
References: <BAY21-F15B19C20FB58CFD2A9BE37C9890@phx.gbl><41E6826B.2040601@udata.com>
	<15676.165.206.180.118.1105630236.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <000f01c4fa37$fa26ab40$0500005a@dave.com>

Bill the only thing I can add to this for you is that, I 80 across
Illinoins, is not as rough as it once was. Lots of it has been replaced, and
there are no tolls on I 80.

I 80 is the only way to go, across Iowa and Illinois.

    Dave Mayfield
Ham Radio Operator
  Tractor Collector
  www.w9wrl.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:30 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info


> I'm thinking of buying a car in CT.
> Nothing certain and even if I try, no guarentee I'd get it, however, I'm
> trying to plan.
> I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
> Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning the
> terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.
>
> Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa area and
> can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path from here
> to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)
>
> Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton 4x4, gas
> usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13 mpg)
> I'm hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive back in
> about 3 days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks, etc.
>
> (I'm also hoping I can talk my son or someone into going along for comic
> releif)
>
> bilL
> Runnells, Iowa
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jan 14 05:12:25 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:12:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] LeSeur Swap Meet
Message-ID: <41E7C539.70505@scrtc.com>

Is the LeSeur, MN swap meet on April 22 - 23, this year?  I've never 
been there and plan on going this year.  What is the best day to go?  
Does nothing happen before Friday or is it like a lot of the swap meets 
in that it "actually" begins about Wed.?  Thanks.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky





From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com  Fri Jan 14 06:16:38 2005
From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:16:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
Message-ID: <45B673EB183FDB4EBEEE0F7E29E387D8F5132F@r2.cncsoftware.com>

Bill,

 Broad Brook is 15 minutes north of Hartford on I-91.  The car is no
more than 10 minutes off the Rt 140 exit.  I travel to the Cleveland
area every year and always take the northern route across Mass and NY on
I-90.  I can get from my parents home, just south of Cleveland to within
15 minutes of the car in about 10 hours with 3 quick pit stops running
about 70 MPH.

I like the I-90 route because it is fairly flat compared with I-80
through PA.  Although this time of year either route can be fraught with
peril because of the weather.  It is a toll road but it's an easy drive
without having to jockey with big trucks as they labor up one side of a
hill and scream down the other.

If you were going to meet someone from Maine to pick up an engine too
you wouldn't be far from I-84 when you were in Broad Brook.  I can help
guide and load if you get to make the trip.

Ken



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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jan 14 06:21:20 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:21:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] 6/1 (Caste Iron Curry Lister)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501140917350.25214@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Would those of you who are happy owners of Caste Iron Curry Listers (John,
Ron, etc.) contact Gary and offer your thoughts on 'em?  If you reply to
the list, please cc Gary as he is NOT on the list.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:20:20 +1100
From: Gary McDonnell <gary at triumphmotorcycles.com.au>
To: fero_ah at city-net.com
Subject: 6/1

Hi Arnie.

I am interested is buying one of the indian lister clone cs 6/1. Can you
advise me wether these are any good.Can you pass on my e-mail to your
members that have bought one .Any info would be usefull.TTFN

GaryMcDonnell.



From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Fri Jan 14 06:54:00 2005
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:54:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com> <004b01c4f9a8$751949b0$0301a8c0@ALEC>
	<00b401c4f9be$2913c340$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>
Message-ID: <00f301c4fa48$e4b1bfa0$0301a8c0@ALEC>

Ed,
 It was a 3/ ton GMC( Good mechanic coming) with a 6.0 gas engine and 3.73
rearend and with 1.5 tons in the bed and a 14' enclosed , 2 axle trailer
with 2 tons more in it , not counting the trailer going well, and we will
say at least going 70, its 9.3 all day long,
I have a new chevy 6.0 gas, 3/4 and it has a 4.10 rearend which is all they
put in them now, I get 10 miles to the gallon, and at 72mph am tacking at
2650-2700 rpms, So now I go slower!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alec J. Stevens
Investment Specialist
80 Leighton Road, Suite C
Falmouth, ME 04105
(800)842-6669
(207)797-5169
(207)797-2819
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Stoller" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info


> Alec,
> 9.3 MPG. What are you running? I am getting ready to buy a new truck and
am
> expecting 20 MPG with a Cummings and automatic. Am I nuts? I was thinking
of
> 4x4 but am thinking a 2x4 will get better milage and will be closer to the
> ground to load garden tractors.
>
> Ed Stoller
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alec Stevens" <ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info
>
>
> > Hi,
> > The 80 route is fine. I go from Portland to Portland via rt.90/80 and
drop
> > down in In. to the show, It is 1000 miles. I can do it in 17 hrs( 21
with
> > jams, slow going)  , fully loaded, I am always fully loaded on the way
> > back
> > because I sold the junk I took out there and replaced it with new
> > junk,,,,,
> > You will get 9.3 miles to the gallon on the way home, just and
"edecated"
> > guess,
> > Let me know if you can take Steve's engine along
> >
> > Alec J. Stevens
> > Investment Specialist
> > 80 Leighton Road, Suite C
> > Falmouth, ME 04105
> > (800)842-6669
> > (207)797-5169
> > (207)797-2819
> >>
> >>> bill at antique-engines.com writes:
> >> I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
> >> Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning the
> >> terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.
> >>
> >> Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa area
and
> >> can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path from
> >> here
> >> to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)
> >>
> >> Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton 4x4,
> >> gas
> >> usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13 mpg)
> >> I'm hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive back in
> >> about 3 days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks, etc.
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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> >>
> >>
> >
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jan 14 07:14:01 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:14:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <00f301c4fa48$e4b1bfa0$0301a8c0@ALEC>
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Hi Alec,
         With about the same load and at about the same speed (except when 
I'm following Arnie--at which time we seldom run under 80 mph) I'm getting 
around 17/18 mpg with my 250 Powerstroke. I got 19/20 when it was newer, 
but it now has 183,472.7 miles on it, and like me is getting a bit tired.
         It's only right, however, that I get better mileage than do you. 
After all, you are a rich stock broker/investment specialist and I'm now on 
welfare which is supplemented by my wife's meager salary!
         Dave
PS, 2,100rpms at 70 mph!
>Ed,
>  It was a 3/ ton GMC( Good mechanic coming) with a 6.0 gas engine and 3.73
>rearend and with 1.5 tons in the bed and a 14' enclosed , 2 axle trailer
>with 2 tons more in it , not counting the trailer going well, and we will
>say at least going 70, its 9.3 all day long,
>I have a new chevy 6.0 gas, 3/4 and it has a 4.10 rearend which is all they
>put in them now, I get 10 miles to the gallon, and at 72mph am tacking at
>2650-2700 rpms, So now I go slower!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Alec J. Stevens
>Investment Specialist



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jan 14 07:43:36 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:43:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050114100629.10347d68@mail.alltel.net>
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com>
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Dave,

    Thats why I like you, you tell it like it is (re: Alec).  I think my 
Cummins is just at a fast idle at 65 MPH.  I think its only turning 
about 1700 rpm.  I don't know what the rear end gearing is but know that 
when the trans kicks in OD, the rpms really drop.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Hi Alec,
>         With about the same load and at about the same speed (except 
> when I'm following Arnie--at which time we seldom run under 80 mph) 
> I'm getting around 17/18 mpg with my 250 Powerstroke. I got 19/20 when 
> it was newer, but it now has 183,472.7 miles on it, and like me is 
> getting a bit tired.
>         It's only right, however, that I get better mileage than do 
> you. After all, you are a rich stock broker/investment specialist and 
> I'm now on welfare which is supplemented by my wife's meager salary!
>         Dave
> PS, 2,100rpms at 70 mph!
>
>> Ed,
>>  It was a 3/ ton GMC( Good mechanic coming) with a 6.0 gas engine and 
>> 3.73
>> rearend and with 1.5 tons in the bed and a 14' enclosed , 2 axle trailer
>> with 2 tons more in it , not counting the trailer going well, and we 
>> will
>> say at least going 70, its 9.3 all day long,
>> I have a new chevy 6.0 gas, 3/4 and it has a 4.10 rearend which is 
>> all they
>> put in them now, I get 10 miles to the gallon, and at 72mph am 
>> tacking at
>> 2650-2700 rpms, So now I go slower!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Alec J. Stevens
>> Investment Specialist
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From b2 at chooka.net  Fri Jan 14 08:21:47 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:21:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] LeSeur Swap Meet
References: <41E7C539.70505@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <003401c4fa55$252d5ab0$660a0a0a@apluscomputer.local>

Tommy, others can respond more definitively about the swap meet published 
vs. actual timings.

But I want to make sure you are invited for the ATIS picture at noon on 
Saturday, traditionally taken at the Miller Tire truck, wherever that may 
be.

Point being, allocate a couple of hours to make sure you can find the truck 
before noon on Saturday.  Rogues gallery from past years can be viewed at 
www.apluscomputer.com/atis.

Will be great to finally meet you after these seasons and our 
correspondence, on and off list.

B?
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 7:12 AM
Subject: [SEL] LeSeur Swap Meet


> Is the LeSeur, MN swap meet on April 22 - 23, this year?  I've never been 
> there and plan on going this year.  What is the best day to go?  Does 
> nothing happen before Friday or is it like a lot of the swap meets in that 
> it "actually" begins about Wed.?  Thanks.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, Ky
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Jan 14 08:29:06 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:29:06 EST
Subject: [SEL] 6/1 (Caste Iron Curry Lister)
Message-ID: <42.60a01829.2f194d52@aol.com>

Hi Arnie,
I have been snoozing and don't have Gary's message, so, please forward this 
on to him.
Here's my thoughts on the Caste Iron Curry Listers:  they are much like the 
Harbor Freight lathes and mills in that they are a kit that you should 
disassemble, clean, adjust and reassemble.  Why? Because there likely is sand left 
over from the casting, and, some of the parts may work, but not be well fitted 
and should be touched up for better and longer running.  There are several 
sellers on eBay that will sell a Caste Iron Lister, or, Lister Clone.  None offer 
the CS (cold start) feature so far as I know.  The CS is a variable compression 
device that allows for starting at one compression, then changing to another, 
lower compression for working.  It looks much like the handle on a gate 
valve.  

One of the best sources I know for both information and inspiration on both 
the Caste Iron Listers and, the fine Chinese diesels is 
http://www.utterpower.com/ where George Breckenridge has many examples of both.  George also has put 
together a really nice guide to preparing a Lister Clone for service, showing 
the breakdown, cleanup, and adjustments needed and it is available on CD for a 
small fee.  (I get no kickback, but I really like the copy I bought.)

Please send this along to Gary.  Thanks.
Regards,
Ron Carroll
PS:  Maybe next time we can also talk about the cute little Petters creeping 
out of India.  :>)  Well, some are small, but one is a twin of about 20 HP.
PPS:  I am thinking of bringing in some of the smallest Changfa hopper cooled 
diesels (about 3 1/2 HP) to offer for sale.  Reg showed us his some time 
back, and I found a source to acquire them.  If there is interest, please write 
off list.  Thank you.  


In a message dated 1/14/2005 9:31:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:
Hi Folks,

Would those of you who are happy owners of Caste Iron Curry Listers (John,
Ron, etc.) contact Gary and offer your thoughts on 'em?  If you reply to
the list, please cc Gary as he is NOT on the list.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From prepair at easynet.co.uk  Fri Jan 14 09:16:04 2005
From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:16:04 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050114100629.10347d68@mail.alltel.net>
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com> <004b01c4f9a8$751949b0$0301a8c0@ALEC>
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:14:01 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi Alec,
>         With about the same load and at about the same speed (except when 
>I'm following Arnie--at which time we seldom run under 80 mph) I'm getting 
>around 17/18 mpg with my 250 Powerstroke. I got 19/20 when it was newer, 
>but it now has 183,472.7 miles on it, and like me is getting a bit tired.
>         It's only right, however, that I get better mileage than do you. 
>After all, you are a rich stock broker/investment specialist and I'm now on 
>welfare which is supplemented by my wife's meager salary!
>         Dave
>PS, 2,100rpms at 70 mph!

I think the low rpm on a long journey is much better, both for economy
and for engine life, plus more relaxing.... :-))

We did a full load run to Edinburgh the other week just after Xmas
with the trailer, about 5 tons total, we were getting no problem on
speed and about 24 - 25mpg, going up to 32-33mpg on the return
journey.

That's a smaller engine (2.5 litres or about 152 cu ins, but highly
blown and tuned as most European diesels are) gives 140hp. 


Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK
prepair at easynet.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk




From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jan 14 10:01:43 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:01:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <2cvfu0ldhtt1250en78f2d5b919ahrom7r@4ax.com>
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>We did a full load run to Edinburgh the other week just after Xmas
>with the trailer, about 5 tons total, we were getting no problem on
>speed and about 24 - 25mpg, going up to 32-33mpg on the return
>journey.
>Peter

Hi Peter, It's no wonder that you got better mileage on the trip home. I 
just looked at a map and discovered that going home was all down hill!
         Dave 



From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Fri Jan 14 10:17:17 2005
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:17:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
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	<6.1.2.0.0.20050114100629.10347d68@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <017b01c4fa65$4a303250$0301a8c0@ALEC>




> Hi Alec,
>          With about the same load and at about the same speed (except when 
> I'm following Arnie--at which time we seldom run under 80 mph) I'm getting 
> around 17/18 mpg with my 250 Powerstroke. I got 19/20 when it was newer, 
> but it now has 183,472.7 miles on it, and like me is getting a bit tired.( They make Cialis and Viagra for old Fords and guys like you Dave, Its called Chevrolet) !!!!!!!!!!!
>          It's only right, however, that I get better mileage than do you. 
> After all, you are a rich stock broker/investment specialist and I'm now on 
> welfare which is supplemented by my wife's meager salary! ( no wonder Bush lost Pa. so easily, all you poh folks want it for free, switched over to where you thought you could find some in ole sugga daddy kerry, Spencer , Put the PA.  Rotigels' on the charity list, I hate to see grown men go without.
Alec
>        

From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Jan 14 11:08:21 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:08:21 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
Message-ID: <77.3cd8658d.2f1972a5@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/14/2005 1:39:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rotigel at alltel.net writes:
Hi Peter, It's no wonder that you got better mileage on the trip home. I 
just looked at a map and discovered that going home was all down hill!
         Dave 
That's right, Dave.  Plus, those folks squeeze more volume into a gallon than 
do we.  

Dave, maybe you should get a Cummins for your runs with Arnie.  My 
understanding is the Cummins efficiency/torque/HP all come together at 2200 rpm.  
Trouble with my Dodge is, 2200 rpm equals 80 mph and, being on the dole, I can't 
afford the speeding tickets.  In your situation, you have Arnie out front, 
beating the bushes and getting the citations which doesn't matter for a graduate of 
Bob's School of Nukeleer Wrenching* and Lubrication, as he makes the Big Bux.

Ron
*I was going to use "wenching" here but this is, after all, a family oriented 
group.


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jan 14 11:38:23 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:38:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <77.3cd8658d.2f1972a5@aol.com>
References: <77.3cd8658d.2f1972a5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501141435200.25214@vegeta.city-net.com>

Don't dispair folks.  You too can be a Quantum Mechanic,
carry thick wads of tens and twenties and eat steak.
http://physics.syr.edu/~salgado/pics/bobqm.gif

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote:

> In your situation, you have Arnie out front,
> beating the bushes and getting the citations which doesn't matter for a graduate of
> Bob's School of Nukeleer Wenching* and Lubrication, as he makes the Big Bux.



From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Fri Jan 14 12:34:06 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:34:06 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050114125952.104b9b68@mail.alltel.net>
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com> <004b01c4f9a8$751949b0$0301a8c0@ALEC>
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:01:43 -0500, you wrote:

>
>>We did a full load run to Edinburgh the other week just after Xmas
>>with the trailer, about 5 tons total, we were getting no problem on
>>speed and about 24 - 25mpg, going up to 32-33mpg on the return
>>journey.
>>Peter
>
>Hi Peter, It's no wonder that you got better mileage on the trip home. I 
>just looked at a map and discovered that going home was all down hill!
>         Dave 

Not quite as bad as that :-))

The biggest thing we did to improve mpg with the trailer was to make the
tailgate skeletal, to allow the wind to pass through it, rather than it acting
like a big air scoop. Made a BIG difference on the freeway and in windy
conditions.

Reminds me, put us down for two places at the Back 40 Junction for August
please, might as well get in now before the rush! :-))

Peter 
--
Peter & Rita Forbes
Email Address:
diesel at easynet.co.uk
Web Pages for Engine Preservation:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From rwenig at telus.net  Fri Jan 14 13:46:36 2005
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:46:36 -0700
Subject: Quantum Mechanic: was Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501141435200.25214@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <77.3cd8658d.2f1972a5@aol.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0501141435200.25214@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <41E83DBC.3040804@telus.net>

	Neat one Arnie. I like that.

Rupert

Arnie Fero wrote:

> Don't dispair folks.  You too can be a Quantum Mechanic,
> carry thick wads of tens and twenties and eat steak.
> http://physics.syr.edu/~salgado/pics/bobqm.gif
> 
> See ya,  Arnie



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 14 14:05:59 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:05:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com>
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Thank you Alec,

I am still waffling between 2x and 4x4.

ED
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alec Stevens" <ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info


> Ed,
> It was a 3/ ton GMC( Good mechanic coming) with a 6.0 gas engine and 3.73
> rearend and with 1.5 tons in the bed and a 14' enclosed , 2 axle trailer
> with 2 tons more in it , not counting the trailer going well, and we will
> say at least going 70, its 9.3 all day long,
> I have a new chevy 6.0 gas, 3/4 and it has a 4.10 rearend which is all 
> they
> put in them now, I get 10 miles to the gallon, and at 72mph am tacking at
> 2650-2700 rpms, So now I go slower!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Alec J. Stevens
> Investment Specialist
> 80 Leighton Road, Suite C
> Falmouth, ME 04105
> (800)842-6669
> (207)797-5169
> (207)797-2819
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Stoller" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info
>
>
>> Alec,
>> 9.3 MPG. What are you running? I am getting ready to buy a new truck and
> am
>> expecting 20 MPG with a Cummings and automatic. Am I nuts? I was thinking
> of
>> 4x4 but am thinking a 2x4 will get better milage and will be closer to 
>> the
>> ground to load garden tractors.
>>
>> Ed Stoller
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alec Stevens" <ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info
>>
>>
>> > Hi,
>> > The 80 route is fine. I go from Portland to Portland via rt.90/80 and
> drop
>> > down in In. to the show, It is 1000 miles. I can do it in 17 hrs( 21
> with
>> > jams, slow going)  , fully loaded, I am always fully loaded on the way
>> > back
>> > because I sold the junk I took out there and replaced it with new
>> > junk,,,,,
>> > You will get 9.3 miles to the gallon on the way home, just and
> "edecated"
>> > guess,
>> > Let me know if you can take Steve's engine along
>> >
>> > Alec J. Stevens
>> > Investment Specialist
>> > 80 Leighton Road, Suite C
>> > Falmouth, ME 04105
>> > (800)842-6669
>> > (207)797-5169
>> > (207)797-2819
>> >>
>> >>> bill at antique-engines.com writes:
>> >> I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad Brook,
>> >> Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning the
>> >> terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.
>> >>
>> >> Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa area
> and
>> >> can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path from
>> >> here
>> >> to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)
>> >>
>> >> Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton 4x4,
>> >> gas
>> >> usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13 mpg)
>> >> I'm hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive back in
>> >> about 3 days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks, etc.
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Fri Jan 14 15:47:33 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:47:33 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine for sale
Message-ID: <001701c4fa93$6c698e10$8c9f0952@no1>

(Passed on from the UK list.)
I ran these for thousands of hours on test .Great little engine,no takers
yet.
Would make a good leaf blower or would dry out a damp workshop pretty fast.
                        Mike.H.

http://jowli.url.cjb.net/

Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From Todengine at aol.com  Fri Jan 14 17:22:07 2005
From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:22:07 EST
Subject: [SEL] Moving the IR Imperial Steam Driven air compressor to
	Youngstown! 
Message-ID: <df.af49305.2f19ca3f@aol.com>

Today we moved all but one piece of the Ingersoll Rand steam driven air 
compressor to the Tod Engine restoration shop at Castlo Industrial Park in 
Struthers, OH.  This leaves only the crankshaft and flywheel assembly to be brought 
back next week.

The IR Imperial Type 10 compressor was built around 1912 or so for Park Drop 
Forgings in Cleveland, Ohio and operated at the plant until a few months ago 
when it was taken out of service when the plant shut down. It was then 
earmarked for preservation and ultimately donated to the Tod Engine Foundation for 
inclusion in our Tod Engine Heritage Park.  While about 30 times smaller than the 
Tod Engine weight wise, it will still make an impressive addition to the park 
and is a wonderful example of the technology of a century ago. 

The Park Drop Forgings plant made diesel engine crankshafts and many forged 
parts for the aerospace industry before succombing to foreign competition.  
About 90% of the plant was demolished a couple of weeks ago, leaving the 
compressor as one of the few surviving pieces of equipment from the plant.  While not 
of Youngstown heritage, the compressor is representative of compressors used 
by local plants.

Photos of the entire dismantling and moving project are online at 
http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine in the IR Imperial Type 10 Compressor album. 
The demolition contractor used a large excavator to lift the parts onto the 
truck and trailer.  We had planned to bring back the air cylinder and flywheel 
on the trailer, however the cylinder weighed more than I anticipated so we 
left the flywheel to pick up next week. 

Our 20 ton hand operated overhead crane was used to unload the bedplate at 
the restoration shop, after about 15 minutes of heavy pulling on the chain I got 
it lifted off the truck.  The compresor will be restored at Castlo and remain 
there until a foundation is prepared for it at the heritage park, at which 
time it will be moved to its final display location. 

This engine became available to us a little over a month ago, amd I am glad 
that we had the resources to move the engine and could provide a home for this 
gem of industrial engineering!  

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Heritage Park
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
http://www.todengine.org/
Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine


From clemsweller at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 14 18:46:28 2005
From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:46:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <005f01c4fa85$3d0e53c0$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>
Message-ID: <001201c4faac$6faf12c0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>

My research before purchasing the 2004 1 year ago showed that the 2x4
was less than 1 mile per gallon difference than the 4x4.  Don't
personally use 4x4 all that often, but it is nice to have it there when
you need it.  Good luck on your purchase!  Hope you enjoy it as much as
I do mine.

Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed Stoller
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 5:06 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info

Thank you Alec,

I am still waffling between 2x and 4x4.

ED
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alec Stevens" <ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info


> Ed,
> It was a 3/ ton GMC( Good mechanic coming) with a 6.0 gas engine and
3.73
> rearend and with 1.5 tons in the bed and a 14' enclosed , 2 axle
trailer
> with 2 tons more in it , not counting the trailer going well, and we
will
> say at least going 70, its 9.3 all day long,
> I have a new chevy 6.0 gas, 3/4 and it has a 4.10 rearend which is all

> they
> put in them now, I get 10 miles to the gallon, and at 72mph am tacking
at
> 2650-2700 rpms, So now I go slower!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Alec J. Stevens
> Investment Specialist
> 80 Leighton Road, Suite C
> Falmouth, ME 04105
> (800)842-6669
> (207)797-5169
> (207)797-2819
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Stoller" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info
>
>
>> Alec,
>> 9.3 MPG. What are you running? I am getting ready to buy a new truck
and
> am
>> expecting 20 MPG with a Cummings and automatic. Am I nuts? I was
thinking
> of
>> 4x4 but am thinking a 2x4 will get better milage and will be closer
to 
>> the
>> ground to load garden tractors.
>>
>> Ed Stoller
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alec Stevens" <ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info
>>
>>
>> > Hi,
>> > The 80 route is fine. I go from Portland to Portland via rt.90/80
and
> drop
>> > down in In. to the show, It is 1000 miles. I can do it in 17 hrs(
21
> with
>> > jams, slow going)  , fully loaded, I am always fully loaded on the
way
>> > back
>> > because I sold the junk I took out there and replaced it with new
>> > junk,,,,,
>> > You will get 9.3 miles to the gallon on the way home, just and
> "edecated"
>> > guess,
>> > Let me know if you can take Steve's engine along
>> >
>> > Alec J. Stevens
>> > Investment Specialist
>> > 80 Leighton Road, Suite C
>> > Falmouth, ME 04105
>> > (800)842-6669
>> > (207)797-5169
>> > (207)797-2819
>> >>
>> >>> bill at antique-engines.com writes:
>> >> I've used MAPQUEST and it states that from Runnells to Broad
Brook,
>> >> Connecticut is nearly 19 hours. Their path is mostly I80 - meaning
the
>> >> terrible rough roads through ILL and the toll roads along the way.
>> >>
>> >> Wondering if anyone here has actually driven from CT to the Iowa
area
> and
>> >> can tell me if it is indeed 19 hours and if I80 is the best path
from
>> >> here
>> >> to PENN (where MAPQUEST switches me to I believe I81?)
>> >>
>> >> Wondering what sort of time to plan on, miles, and with a 3/4 ton
4x4,
>> >> gas
>> >> usage. (can figure once I know miles based on probably 12 to 13
mpg)
>> >> I'm hoping a person could drive there, dolly the car and drive
back in
>> >> about 3 days, allowing for potty stops, filling dual gas tanks,
etc.
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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From guitronics at comcast.net  Fri Jan 14 23:32:54 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 02:32:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 6/1 (Caste Iron Curry Lister)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501140917350.25214@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501140917350.25214@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <41E8C726.1050002@comcast.net>

Arnie Fero wrote:

>Hi Folks,
>
>Would those of you who are happy owners of Caste Iron Curry Listers (John,
>Ron, etc.) contact Gary and offer your thoughts on 'em?  If you reply to
>the list, please cc Gary as he is NOT on the list.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:20:20 +1100
>From: Gary McDonnell <gary at triumphmotorcycles.com.au>
>To: fero_ah at city-net.com
>Subject: 6/1
>
>Hi Arnie.
>
>I am interested is buying one of the indian lister clone cs 6/1. Can you
>advise me wether these are any good.Can you pass on my e-mail to your
>members that have bought one .Any info would be usefull.TTFN
>
>GaryMcDonnell.
>
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>
>  
>
You need to go to    http://www.utterpower.com   . There's a wealth of 
info available at the site, Indian built  "Listeroids" may need  several 
hours of  work  before use.


From garyepps at fidnet.com  Fri Jan 14 23:41:15 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:41:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <uuagu0dpffkarfoad2ljr1c3cgs1i458h5@4ax.com>
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com>
	<004b01c4f9a8$751949b0$0301a8c0@ALEC>	<00b401c4f9be$2913c340$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>	<00f301c4fa48$e4b1bfa0$0301a8c0@ALEC>	<6.1.2.0.0.20050114100629.10347d68@mail.alltel.net>	<2cvfu0ldhtt1250en78f2d5b919ahrom7r@4ax.com>	<6.1.2.0.0.20050114125952.104b9b68@mail.alltel.net>
	<uuagu0dpffkarfoad2ljr1c3cgs1i458h5@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <41E8C91B.8010409@fidnet.com>

Great idea, Peter.  Dave, put Carol and I down for two dinner 
reservations as well.

Peter, as to dinner, don't bring any dishes,  we'll bring some.  :)

Gary

Peter A Forbes wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:01:43 -0500, you wrote:
> 
> 
>>>We did a full load run to Edinburgh the other week just after Xmas
>>>with the trailer, about 5 tons total, we were getting no problem on
>>>speed and about 24 - 25mpg, going up to 32-33mpg on the return
>>>journey.
>>>Peter
>>
>>Hi Peter, It's no wonder that you got better mileage on the trip home. I 
>>just looked at a map and discovered that going home was all down hill!
>>        Dave 
> 
> 
> Not quite as bad as that :-))
> 
> The biggest thing we did to improve mpg with the trailer was to make the
> tailgate skeletal, to allow the wind to pass through it, rather than it acting
> like a big air scoop. Made a BIG difference on the freeway and in windy
> conditions.
> 
> Reminds me, put us down for two places at the Back 40 Junction for August
> please, might as well get in now before the rush! :-))
> 
> Peter 
> --
> Peter & Rita Forbes
> Email Address:
> diesel at easynet.co.uk
> Web Pages for Engine Preservation:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jan 15 00:16:26 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:16:26 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
References: <77.3cd8658d.2f1972a5@aol.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0501141435200.25214@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <005101c4fada$99d1e220$14111bd3@athlon>

But your name is Arnie, NOT Bob!!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - road trip info


> Don't dispair folks.  You too can be a Quantum Mechanic,
> carry thick wads of tens and twenties and eat steak.
> http://physics.syr.edu/~salgado/pics/bobqm.gif
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote:
>
> > In your situation, you have Arnie out front,
> > beating the bushes and getting the citations which doesn't matter for a
graduate of
> > Bob's School of Nukeleer Wenching* and Lubrication, as he makes the Big
Bux.
>
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From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Sat Jan 15 00:32:38 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 08:32:38 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <41E8C91B.8010409@fidnet.com>
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com>
	<004b01c4f9a8$751949b0$0301a8c0@ALEC>	<00b401c4f9be$2913c340$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>	<00f301c4fa48$e4b1bfa0$0301a8c0@ALEC>	<6.1.2.0.0.20050114100629.10347d68@mail.alltel.net>	<2cvfu0ldhtt1250en78f2d5b919ahrom7r@4ax.com>	<6.1.2.0.0.20050114125952.104b9b68@mail.alltel.net>
	<uuagu0dpffkarfoad2ljr1c3cgs1i458h5@4ax.com>
	<41E8C91B.8010409@fidnet.com>
Message-ID: <t7lhu0tu8cqrb9hu24rrtifcef140spsg8@4ax.com>

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:41:15 -0600, you wrote:

>Great idea, Peter.  Dave, put Carol and I down for two dinner 
>reservations as well.
>
>Peter, as to dinner, don't bring any dishes,  we'll bring some.  :)
>
>Gary

Ah, yes the Wedgwood china, almost forgotten about that!

See you both there....

Peter

--
Peter & Rita Forbes
Email Address:
diesel at easynet.co.uk
Web Pages for Engine Preservation:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Fri Jan 14 17:22:30 2005
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:22:30 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050114125952.104b9b68@mail.alltel.net>
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com>
	<004b01c4f9a8$751949b0$0301a8c0@ALEC>	<00b401c4f9be$2913c340$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>	<00f301c4fa48$e4b1bfa0$0301a8c0@ALEC>	<6.1.2.0.0.20050114100629.10347d68@mail.alltel.net>	<2cvfu0ldhtt1250en78f2d5b919ahrom7r@4ax.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050114125952.104b9b68@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <41E87056.6090000@optusnet.com.au>

Dave Rotigel wrote:

>
>> We did a full load run to Edinburgh the other week just after Xmas
>> with the trailer, about 5 tons total, we were getting no problem on
>> speed and about 24 - 25mpg, going up to 32-33mpg on the return
>> journey.
>> Peter
>
>
> Hi Peter, It's no wonder that you got better mileage on the trip home. 
> I just looked at a map and discovered that going home was all down hill!
>         Dave

==========
But don't forget, Dave, that Peter uses proper gallons : )

Jack in Oz



From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Sat Jan 15 02:37:17 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:37:17 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT - road trip info
In-Reply-To: <41E87056.6090000@optusnet.com.au>
References: <8.5fc58259.2f1819a8@aol.com>
	<004b01c4f9a8$751949b0$0301a8c0@ALEC>	<00b401c4f9be$2913c340$0202a8c0@SelfPacedSQL.mfsf>	<00f301c4fa48$e4b1bfa0$0301a8c0@ALEC>	<6.1.2.0.0.20050114100629.10347d68@mail.alltel.net>	<2cvfu0ldhtt1250en78f2d5b919ahrom7r@4ax.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050114125952.104b9b68@mail.alltel.net>
	<41E87056.6090000@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <fbshu092d7qne6f2g48ppv2q5mndqslc82@4ax.com>

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:22:30 +0800, you wrote:

>Dave Rotigel wrote:
>
>>
>>> We did a full load run to Edinburgh the other week just after Xmas
>>> with the trailer, about 5 tons total, we were getting no problem on
>>> speed and about 24 - 25mpg, going up to 32-33mpg on the return
>>> journey.
>>> Peter
>>
>>
>> Hi Peter, It's no wonder that you got better mileage on the trip home. 
>> I just looked at a map and discovered that going home was all down hill!
>>         Dave
>
>==========
>But don't forget, Dave, that Peter uses proper gallons : )
>
>Jack in Oz

Yes, I forgot that,  one US gallon is 'only' equal to 0.8327 UK gal, so their
mpg ratings are that much different to ours :-))

Peter

--
Peter & Rita Forbes
Email Address:
diesel at easynet.co.uk
Web Pages for Engine Preservation:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 15 05:09:17 2005
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 05:09:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] That is indeed the maypole braider I need to get
Message-ID: <20050115130917.32672.qmail@web52709.mail.yahoo.com>

Myron Busch:

Hi, Myron,

Thanks for posting the address for your photos. The machine you took
the photo of is exactly the type of maypole braider I need to get for
my business. Next is to find one for sale!

Rich Allen


From bcl at grandecom.net  Sat Jan 15 06:45:11 2005
From: bcl at grandecom.net (LEW BEST)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 08:45:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] That is indeed the maypole braider I need to get
In-Reply-To: <20050115130917.32672.qmail@web52709.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002101c4fb10$d3a41190$6400a8c0@OFFICELEW>

Hey Rich

I've only followed this thread a bit; I have a list on yahoo groups
named shop_tool_exchange that might worth a shot.  Just request
membership from the home page; I approve everyone but moderate the first
few posts to keep out the spammers.  Open to requesting or offering
anything shop related.

Lew


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Allen
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 7:09 AM
To: Stationary Engine List
Subject: [SEL] That is indeed the maypole braider I need to get

Myron Busch:

Hi, Myron,

Thanks for posting the address for your photos. The machine you took
the photo of is exactly the type of maypole braider I need to get for
my business. Next is to find one for sale!

Rich Allen
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From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 15 07:56:01 2005
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 07:56:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT-Now looking for blueprint of maypole braider,
	bank note engraving machine
Message-ID: <20050115155601.24566.qmail@web52708.mail.yahoo.com>

At this point, instead of buying a maypole braiding machine I would
just as well settle for having access to one to make a copy, or a set
of blue prints. Back 120 years ago when they were first made, the
machine shop technology was not sophisticated at all and the machining
operations required to reproduce one are probably quite straightforward
and are most likely easy to reproduce using a lathe, milling machine,
and drill press. Those are all that existed back then, except for a few
rare machines like the one used to engrave the delicate and highly
complex mathematical curves of printed bank notes. Right now I am in
the middle of doing a search to find some drawings and blueprints for a
maypole braider and I have found all the old U.S. patents that were not
destroyed in the disastrous United States Patent Office Fire.
Unfortunately, the Patent Office drawings I have found are not
manufacturing blueprints and although they are nice looking and
meticulously drawn, they are only detailed in the regard of
understanding the principals of how the machines worked. I already
understand how they work very well but to make one I need the actual
dimensions so I don't have to do hours and hours of research and
development to figure out the dimensions and the range of movement for
the parts, etc. Basically put, I want to avoid doing 100?s of hours of
reinventing what already exists! 

About the antique bank note engraving machines (called geometric
lathes) that generate the delicate mathematical curves used in the
printed designs, see:

http://www.excourse.com/excentro/index.html 

http://www.maa.org/editorial/mathgames/mathgames_02_09_04.html

and a brief biography of the inventor:

http://www.famousamericans.net/cyrusdurand/

I know they aren?t antique engines, but they are antique machines and I
think you will find them interesting! I want one of those, too, but I
have a good idea how to build one already.

Richard Allen



From welch at ii.net  Sat Jan 15 22:39:46 2005
From: welch at ii.net (Charles Welch)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:39:46 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Villiers W-X11
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20050116143746.02a5b040@mail.iinet.net.au>


Hello, 

Does anyone out there have any parts, manuals or info on the Villiers W-X11 watercooled stationary engine please ? 

I have a WAH model, engine no 568. 

I'm currently looking for the cast iron exhaust box, per the photo, below. 

http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/VilliersW-X11.jpg

Thanks ! 

cheers ... Charles Welch



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jan 15 22:58:35 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:58:35 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy mag trip
Message-ID: <20050115.225837.916.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
Does anyone have an extra 303K26A bracket and mag trip lever to fit my 7
hp Economy?  A good close up picture would help, the lever that now trips
a micro switch might be part of what I need.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jan 16 06:31:59 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:31:59 EST
Subject: [SEL] Economy mag trip
Message-ID: <1a5.2ecdec25.2f1bd4df@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/16/2005 2:00:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
rdhaskell at juno.com writes:

<< Does anyone have an extra 303K26A bracket and mag trip lever to fit my 7
 hp Economy?  A good close up picture would help, the lever that now trips
 a micro switch might be part of what I need. >>

Ron,

Hit and Miss and Starbolt carries all the trip mechanisms for the Economy's.  
Also Hit and Miss has some pictures in their catalogue that are sometimes 
helpful.  Of course Glenn's Hercules book is the most informative you can get.  I 
have a 5hp with Webster mag and tips mechanism I can take a picture of it you 
need it.  Let me know.  Sorry, no bracket and I need one myself to fix 
another 5 in resotation process.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From oldengin at udata.com  Sun Jan 16 08:20:46 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:20:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT-Now looking for blueprint of maypole braider, bank note
	engraving machine
In-Reply-To: <20050115155601.24566.qmail@web52708.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050115155601.24566.qmail@web52708.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41EA945E.6010205@udata.com>

Richard Allen wrote:

> Basically put, I want to avoid doing 100?s of hours of
>reinventing what already exists! 
>
>About the antique bank note engraving machines (called geometric
>lathes) that generate the delicate mathematical curves used in the
>printed designs, see:
>
>http://www.excourse.com/excentro/index.html 
>
>http://www.maa.org/editorial/mathgames/mathgames_02_09_04.html
>
>and a brief biography of the inventor:
>
>http://www.famousamericans.net/cyrusdurand/
>
>I know they aren?t antique engines, but they are antique machines and I
>think you will find them interesting! I want one of those, too, but I
>have a good idea how to build one already.
>
>Richard Allen
>
>___
>
>  
>

Gday
ME TOO, MEE TOOO, MEEE TOOOOO!!!!
Listen, this thread is of good interest to me as I love seeing how it 
was done before the advent of engins and the process of mechanical items 
is still what made us a better place than the caveman era. To be able to 
think and try and succeed is good, and I would love to be included in 
this building of (HOPE, HOPE) at least two of these braiders. Thanks

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jan 16 10:36:10 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:36:10 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy mag trip
Message-ID: <20050116.103610.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Tom
I was hoping to give a list member the first try.  I don't see it in the
Starbolt catalog, and I must have given my Hit n Miss listing to some one
as I can't find it now.  A close up shot of the trip bracket would be
appreciated.  There is a possibility that some of the bracket I have now
is part of the original.
I have Glenn's book and a reprint of an Economy manual but no good
pictures of what I want.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:31:59 EST Germoamer at aol.com writes:
> In a message dated 1/16/2005 2:00:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
> rdhaskell at juno.com writes:
> 
> << Does anyone have an extra 303K26A bracket and mag trip lever to 
> fit my 7
>  hp Economy?  A good close up picture would help, the lever that now 
> trips
>  a micro switch might be part of what I need. >>
> 
> Ron,
> 
> Hit and Miss and Starbolt carries all the trip mechanisms for the 
> Economy's.  
> Also Hit and Miss has some pictures in their catalogue that are 
> sometimes 
> helpful.  Of course Glenn's Hercules book is the most informative 
> you can get.  I 
> have a 5hp with Webster mag and tips mechanism I can take a picture 
> of it you 
> need it.  Let me know.  Sorry, no bracket and I need one myself to 
> fix 
> another 5 in resotation process.
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 16 11:44:06 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:44:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Economy mag trip
In-Reply-To: <20050116.103610.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20050116194406.51684.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Ron,

Just go to hitnmiss.com and download a new catalog.
Thanks to Norm (their new webmaster) it is just as easy as that.

Alan Bowen
Yup, I know Norm.

--- rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

> Thanks Tom
> I was hoping to give a list member the first try.  I don't see it in the
> Starbolt catalog, and I must have given my Hit n Miss listing to some one
> as I can't find it now.  A close up shot of the trip bracket would be
> appreciated.  There is a possibility that some of the bracket I have now
> is part of the original.
> I have Glenn's book and a reprint of an Economy manual but no good
> pictures of what I want.  Thanks.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:31:59 EST Germoamer at aol.com writes:
> > In a message dated 1/16/2005 2:00:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
> > rdhaskell at juno.com writes:
> > 
> > << Does anyone have an extra 303K26A bracket and mag trip lever to 
> > fit my 7
> >  hp Economy?  A good close up picture would help, the lever that now 
> > trips
> >  a micro switch might be part of what I need. >>
> > 
> > Ron,
> > 
> > Hit and Miss and Starbolt carries all the trip mechanisms for the 
> > Economy's.  
> > Also Hit and Miss has some pictures in their catalogue that are 
> > sometimes 
> > helpful.  Of course Glenn's Hercules book is the most informative 
> > you can get.  I 
> > have a 5hp with Webster mag and tips mechanism I can take a picture 
> > of it you 
> > need it.  Let me know.  Sorry, no bracket and I need one myself to 
> > fix 
> > another 5 in resotation process.
> > 
> > Tom Schmutz
> > Concord, Va. USA
> > Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



	
		
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jan 16 12:09:21 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:09:21 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy mag trip
Message-ID: <20050116.120921.1424.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Alan

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:44:06 -0800 (PST) Alan Bowen
<rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> writes:
> Hi Ron,
> 
> Just go to hitnmiss.com and download a new catalog.
> Thanks to Norm (their new webmaster) it is just as easy as that.
> 
> Alan Bowen
> Yup, I know Norm.
>


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Jan 16 17:13:39 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:13:39 +0800
Subject: [SEL] 1421 ?........OT
Message-ID: <001801c4fc31$d991bae0$49b43dca@ogborneuah38i3>

This is an OT subject  but anyone who is interested read 1421 and then
ponder!
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Jan 16 00:01:18 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:01:18 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Villiers W-X11
References: <5.1.1.6.2.20050116143746.02a5b040@mail.iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <000401c4fba1$909707e0$8c9f0952@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Welch" <welch at ii.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 6:39 AM
Subject: [SEL] Villiers W-X11


> Hello, 
> Does anyone out there have any parts, manuals or info on the Villiers W-X11 watercooled stationary engine please ? 
> I have a WAH model, engine no 568. 
> I'm currently looking for the cast iron exhaust box, per the photo, below. 
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/VilliersW-X11.jpg
> Thanks ! 
> cheers ... Charles Welch

Hi Charles, I have a spares list on my website.
See http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/vintage/images/wx11.pdf
I hope this helps you!.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From jnyost at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 17 10:14:47 2005
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:14:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] (OT) Alan Bowen
Message-ID: <20050117181447.49896.qmail@web40626.mail.yahoo.com>

Alan Bowen,

Contact me off list.

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From landlord at buckeyenet.net  Mon Jan 17 12:41:14 2005
From: landlord at buckeyenet.net (Donald Shahan)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:41:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] need
Message-ID: <002001c4fcd4$fd792da0$7867e104@nostrife>

i need an oweners manual for 40 hp bessemer engine any help?

From landlord at buckeyenet.net  Mon Jan 17 12:57:25 2005
From: landlord at buckeyenet.net (Donald Shahan)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:57:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] new guy
Message-ID: <003701c4fcd7$27380f10$7867e104@nostrife>

i need an oweners manual for 40 hp bessemer engine any help?

From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jan 17 15:14:20 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:14:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail
Message-ID: <41EC46CC.3080900@scrtc.com>

Its been a day off and I thought I would hang around the house (its 12 
degrees outside) and see what great discussions were on the SEL.  No 
mail today however.  Just wondered if this would make it through.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 17 18:20:37 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:20:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction
In-Reply-To: <20050117181447.49896.qmail@web40626.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050118022037.82128.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Folks,

HEY,,, Who is gonna step up and place a bit on the VX6 on the Charity Auction?
Please,,,,,,  8>))
I need to be done with the bidding so I can pay off all the items I have won and take control of
the Famous World Traveled Blue Handled Fence Pliers.

They are gonna stay in Northern Lower Michigan for another year, BUT,,, They will be safe in the
hands for an engine guy and not one of them,,,,, You know,,,, Tr@(t0r guys.
 I PROMISE,,, I will not place another bid on the VX6 if someone will be kind enough to take it
away from me.  I just HAD to take it away from what looked like a Tr@(t0r guy.  It was just
instinct that drove me to bid.  8>))  If poorboy is an engine guy then I am sorry, but the name
sure sounds like on them guys to me,,,,  8>))

HEY,,,again,,,

I was expecting to see an engine calendar up there,,,, What happened????

Very disapointing.
I will take a stab at making one for next year's auction I guess.

Alan Bowen rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
Williamsburg, Michigan

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From rustyiron at bigpond.com  Mon Jan 17 13:36:37 2005
From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 05:36:37 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT-Now looking for blueprint of maypole braider,
	bank noteengraving machine
References: <20050115155601.24566.qmail@web52708.mail.yahoo.com>
	<41EA945E.6010205@udata.com>
Message-ID: <001901c4fcdc$b1c997c0$061ffea9@ibmbnh186c>

Hi Leroy, I'm the same here, I hope Richard will keep us informed, as I'm
also interested in what is involed?
Andy Nicholson
Exmouth W.A.
Oz.
rustyiron at bigpond.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leroy C." <oldengin at udata.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT-Now looking for blueprint of maypole braider, bank
noteengraving machine


Richard Allen wrote:

> Basically put, I want to avoid doing 100?s of hours of
>reinventing what already exists!
>
>About the antique bank note engraving machines (called geometric
>lathes) that generate the delicate mathematical curves used in the
>printed designs, see:
>
>http://www.excourse.com/excentro/index.html
>
>http://www.maa.org/editorial/mathgames/mathgames_02_09_04.html
>
>and a brief biography of the inventor:
>
>http://www.famousamericans.net/cyrusdurand/
>
>I know they aren?t antique engines, but they are antique machines and I
>think you will find them interesting! I want one of those, too, but I
>have a good idea how to build one already.
>
>Richard Allen
>
>___
>
>
>

Gday
ME TOO, MEE TOOO, MEEE TOOOOO!!!!
Listen, this thread is of good interest to me as I love seeing how it
was done before the advent of engins and the process of mechanical items
is still what made us a better place than the caveman era. To be able to
think and try and succeed is good, and I would love to be included in
this building of (HOPE, HOPE) at least two of these braiders. Thanks

-- 
C-ya

  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark



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From ignitors at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 17 22:54:46 2005
From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:54:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail
References: <41EC46CC.3080900@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c4fd2a$998bb460$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>

Nothing here either Tommy

Ted Brookover
4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
816-763-3142
ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm

This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 5:14 PM
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail


> Its been a day off and I thought I would hang around the house (its 12 
> degrees outside) and see what great discussions were on the SEL.  No mail 
> today however.  Just wondered if this would make it through.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From marvhed at ecenet.com  Tue Jan 18 04:28:56 2005
From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:28:56 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill
In-Reply-To: <41EC46CC.3080900@scrtc.com>
References: <41EC46CC.3080900@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <28473.199.62.0.252.1106051336.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>

we're finally warming up here in minnesoota,
they're forcasting a heat wave of +24 F
yesterday i had -20 and one spot was - 54F
sounds like the chill has moved on east and south.

marv in minn

> Its been a day off and I thought I would hang around the house (its 12
> degrees outside) and see what great discussions were on the SEL.  No
> mail today however.  Just wondered if this would make it through.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Jan 18 04:29:51 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:29:51 +1100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Chatting via Skype
Message-ID: <200501181229.j0ICTlCP046376@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


Hi Paul,
	My Skype ID is triumphline. You can also search me by name. It is
amazing the difference being able to talk to each other is rather than just
by email!

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----


Patrick, what is your Skype calling I.D., I will add you to my call list. I 
get on it occasionally myself and talk to Curt and Dave Croft, it is a great

FREE way of talking to people around the World. Maybe more of our engine 
friends will get on it.

Paul




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 18 04:52:49 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:52:49 -0000
Subject: [SEL] something to dream about owning
Message-ID: <001901c4fd5c$9efc4d10$8c9f0952@no1>

While its so quiet I thought you might like to see this on EBay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69826&item=6506036187&rd=1
You would need a big box to ship it to the USA!
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jan 18 05:16:42 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 05:16:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill
In-Reply-To: <28473.199.62.0.252.1106051336.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
References: <41EC46CC.3080900@scrtc.com>
	<28473.199.62.0.252.1106051336.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
Message-ID: <59830.165.206.180.118.1106054202.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

Yeah, Embarrass MN hit minus 54 (f)
We'll hit about 30 today, first time in many days..........

Bill
Runnells, Iowa

> we're finally warming up here in minnesoota,
> they're forcasting a heat wave of +24 F
> yesterday i had -20 and one spot was - 54F
> sounds like the chill has moved on east and south.
>
> marv in minn
>
>> Its been a day off and I thought I would hang around the house (its 12
>> degrees outside) and see what great discussions were on the SEL.  No
>> mail today however.  Just wondered if this would make it through.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From prepair at easynet.co.uk  Tue Jan 18 05:56:48 2005
From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:56:48 +0000
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill
In-Reply-To: <59830.165.206.180.118.1106054202.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
References: <41EC46CC.3080900@scrtc.com>
	<28473.199.62.0.252.1106051336.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
	<59830.165.206.180.118.1106054202.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <t95qu0tfkkdtu20gvsdcts73k6umlbdi68@4ax.com>

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 05:16:42 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>Yeah, Embarrass MN hit minus 54 (f)
>We'll hit about 30 today, first time in many days..........
>
>Bill
>Runnells, Iowa
>
>> we're finally warming up here in minnesoota,
>> they're forcasting a heat wave of +24 F
>> yesterday i had -20 and one spot was - 54F
>> sounds like the chill has moved on east and south.
>>
>> marv in minn
>>
>>> Its been a day off and I thought I would hang around the house (its 12
>>> degrees outside) and see what great discussions were on the SEL.  No
>>> mail today however.  Just wondered if this would make it through.
>>>
>>> Tommy Turner
>>> Magnolia, KY

Daffodil shoots are 4"-5" out of the ground here, only noticed them
this last weekend. Snowdrops are up also and Crocuses can't be far
away, looks like spring is going to be early again this year :-))


Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK
prepair at easynet.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk




From garyepps at fidnet.com  Tue Jan 18 05:58:21 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:58:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill
In-Reply-To: <59830.165.206.180.118.1106054202.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
References: <41EC46CC.3080900@scrtc.com>	<28473.199.62.0.252.1106051336.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
	<59830.165.206.180.118.1106054202.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <41ED15FD.5060801@fidnet.com>

Yeah, its been rough here also, supposed to get up to only 62 on the 
weekend.

Gary

bill at antique-engines.com wrote:
> Yeah, Embarrass MN hit minus 54 (f)
> We'll hit about 30 today, first time in many days..........
> 
> Bill
> Runnells, Iowa
> 
> 
>>we're finally warming up here in minnesoota,
>>they're forcasting a heat wave of +24 F
>>yesterday i had -20 and one spot was - 54F
>>sounds like the chill has moved on east and south.
>>
>>marv in minn
>>
>>
>>>Its been a day off and I thought I would hang around the house (its 12
>>>degrees outside) and see what great discussions were on the SEL.  No
>>>mail today however.  Just wondered if this would make it through.
>>>
>>>Tommy Turner
>>>Magnolia, KY
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
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>>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Jan 18 06:00:29 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:00:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill
References: <41EC46CC.3080900@scrtc.com><28473.199.62.0.252.1106051336.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
	<59830.165.206.180.118.1106054202.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV27404697441C7EC73C8357BB8F0@phx.gbl>

I opened the door gang and you people on the right should see it in a day or 
so.  +39 this a.m. after -20 two days ago.

  On another note, has anyone heard from Joe Prindle?  Spudhead would like 
to buy some M parts that he's got.  Maybe if someone would just post his 
town/state, I could look it up.  Hope he's ok!!

later,
RickinMt.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill


> Yeah, Embarrass MN hit minus 54 (f)
> We'll hit about 30 today, first time in many days..........
>
> Bill
> Runnells, Iowa
>
> > we're finally warming up here in minnesoota,
> > they're forcasting a heat wave of +24 F
> > yesterday i had -20 and one spot was - 54F
> > sounds like the chill has moved on east and south.
> >
> > marv in minn
> >
> >> Its been a day off and I thought I would hang around the house (its 12
> >> degrees outside) and see what great discussions were on the SEL.  No
> >> mail today however.  Just wondered if this would make it through.
> >>
> >> Tommy Turner
> >> Magnolia, KY
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
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From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Tue Jan 18 06:19:07 2005
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:19:07 -0600
Subject: [SEL] something to dream about owning
Message-ID: <001001c4fd68$af361600$3d690b42@computer>

Nice Dave.  I would jump on it except it would max out my VISA card.
Geo.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: atis <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:54 AM
Subject: [SEL] something to dream about owning


>While its so quiet I thought you might like to see this on EBay
>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69826&item=6506036
187&rd=1
>You would need a big box to ship it to the USA!
>Dave Croft
>Warrington
>England
>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jan 18 06:56:45 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:56:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] something to dream about owning
In-Reply-To: <001901c4fd5c$9efc4d10$8c9f0952@no1>
References: <001901c4fd5c$9efc4d10$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501180956002.60388@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hey Rick,

That sure would look nice in the Tod Engine Museum.  8-)))

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Dave Croft wrote:

> While its so quiet I thought you might like to see this on EBay
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69826&item=6506036187&rd=1
> You would need a big box to ship it to the USA!



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jan 18 07:16:01 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:16:01 -0800
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail
In-Reply-To: <41EC46CC.3080900@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <200501181516.j0IFGBCs036976@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

> Its been a day off and I thought I would hang around the 
> house (its 12 degrees outside) and see what great discussions 
>were on the SEL.  No mail today however.  Just wondered if
> this would make it through.

Hi Tommy,
Congratulations on running out of Kentucky criminals.  Hope business picks up
soon.  

It will be in the low 70's into the forseeable future, which will be great for
the Quartzsite, AZ show, but all is not as wonderful as it seems.  The evenings
will be down into the 40's, which might necessitate wearing long pants and shoes
:-(

The weekend was pleasant enough to get some engine work done.  Here's a picture
of Kelley taking a break from our engine levitation trick.  
http://temp.rustyiron.com/skid-phase-3.jpg

Rob





From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Jan 18 08:33:05 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:33:05 -0800
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail
Message-ID: <20050118.083306.144.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Tommy.
Sorry you are in the deep freeze.  It will be over 80?F today in sunny
Southern California.  A good day for sandblasting and painting.  Actually
a good day for everything. <VBG>

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside California USA
http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:14:20 -0500 Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
writes:
> Its been a day off and I thought I would hang around the house (its 
> 12 
> degrees outside) and see what great discussions were on the SEL.  No 
> 
> mail today however.  Just wondered if this would make it through.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 18 08:33:32 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:33:32 -0000
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill
References: <41EC46CC.3080900@scrtc.com><28473.199.62.0.252.1106051336.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net><59830.165.206.180.118.1106054202.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
	<BAY3-DAV27404697441C7EC73C8357BB8F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001e01c4fd7b$748f2740$8c9f0952@no1>

Hi Rick, will http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/intro.htm#Prindle
help you to locate him? (Its a few years old.)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill


> I opened the door gang and you people on the right should see it in a day or 
> so.  +39 this a.m. after -20 two days ago.
> 
>   On another note, has anyone heard from Joe Prindle?  Spudhead would like 
> to buy some M parts that he's got.  Maybe if someone would just post his 
> town/state, I could look it up.  Hope he's ok!!
> 
> later,
> RickinMt.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill
> 
> 
> > Yeah, Embarrass MN hit minus 54 (f)
> > We'll hit about 30 today, first time in many days..........
> >
> > Bill
> > Runnells, Iowa
> >
> > > we're finally warming up here in minnesoota,
> > > they're forcasting a heat wave of +24 F
> > > yesterday i had -20 and one spot was - 54F
> > > sounds like the chill has moved on east and south.
> > >
> > > marv in minn
> > >
> > >> Its been a day off and I thought I would hang around the house (its 12
> > >> degrees outside) and see what great discussions were on the SEL.  No
> > >> mail today however.  Just wondered if this would make it through.
> > >>
> > >> Tommy Turner
> > >> Magnolia, KY
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Jan 18 12:09:26 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:09:26 +0000
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail-from Ted
Message-ID: <3k70mg$kvapch@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net>


> 
> Nothing here either Tommy
> 
> Ted Brookover
How ya feelin Ted, good to have you back. I'm a little sore myself, had double hernia surgery this morning. They used a scope and put a patch from the inside, hope this holds better, less painful than the others.
J.B. Castagnos



From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Tue Jan 18 15:26:23 2005
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:26:23 +0800
Subject: [SEL] something to dream about owning
In-Reply-To: <001901c4fd5c$9efc4d10$8c9f0952@no1>
References: <001901c4fd5c$9efc4d10$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <41ED9B1F.9020300@optusnet.com.au>

Dave Croft wrote:

>While its so quiet I thought you might like to see this on EBay
>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69826&item=6506036187&rd=1
>You would need a big box to ship it to the USA!
>Dave Croft
>Warrington
>England
>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>  
>
=========================
I would have snapped it up but they say "local pickup only - no postage".
Don't know why - there seems to be plenty of room for the stamps.

Old Australian proverb - There's always a fly in the Vegemite.

Jack in Oz



From Todengine at aol.com  Tue Jan 18 16:44:14 2005
From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:44:14 EST
Subject: [SEL] something to dream about owning
Message-ID: <1e8.32d0e6e8.2f1f075e@aol.com>

Yes it certainly would be great next to the Tod.  I've always wanted to 
display a few smaller engines with her. :-)

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Heritage Park
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
http://www.todengine.org/
Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Jan 18 17:08:26 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:08:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill
References: <41EC46CC.3080900@scrtc.com><28473.199.62.0.252.1106051336.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net><59830.165.206.180.118.1106054202.squirrel@165.206.180.118><BAY3-DAV27404697441C7EC73C8357BB8F0@phx.gbl>
	<001e01c4fd7b$748f2740$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV3C4CB0F6EB57D4A897ABBBB800@phx.gbl>

Thanks Dave and also to those who replied off list.  I've emailed him so 
we'll see.

Take Care, stay warm.......or cool.

later,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill


> Hi Rick, will http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/intro.htm#Prindle
> help you to locate him? (Its a few years old.)
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 2:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill
>
>
> > I opened the door gang and you people on the right should see it in a 
> > day or
> > so.  +39 this a.m. after -20 two days ago.
> >
> >   On another note, has anyone heard from Joe Prindle?  Spudhead would 
> > like
> > to buy some M parts that he's got.  Maybe if someone would just post his
> > town/state, I could look it up.  Hope he's ok!!
> >
> > later,
> > RickinMt.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:16 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Mail-OT- big chill
> >
> >
> > > Yeah, Embarrass MN hit minus 54 (f)
> > > We'll hit about 30 today, first time in many days..........
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > Runnells, Iowa
> > >
> > > > we're finally warming up here in minnesoota,
> > > > they're forcasting a heat wave of +24 F
> > > > yesterday i had -20 and one spot was - 54F
> > > > sounds like the chill has moved on east and south.
> > > >
> > > > marv in minn
> > > >
> > > >> Its been a day off and I thought I would hang around the house (its 
> > > >> 12
> > > >> degrees outside) and see what great discussions were on the SEL. 
> > > >> No
> > > >> mail today however.  Just wondered if this would make it through.
> > > >>
> > > >> Tommy Turner
> > > >> Magnolia, KY
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > SEL mailing list
> > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From mrengine at comcast.net  Tue Jan 18 17:42:49 2005
From: mrengine at comcast.net (mrengine at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:42:49 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Associated muffler
Message-ID: <011920050142.8459.41EDBB19000CB6D80000210B22070009530A020709020A9D03@comcast.net>

Anybody have an original Associated muffler they would sell? It's 1" pipe thread for AC Hired Hand. I have a Economy muffler I could trade too.Thanks Frank

From guitronics at comcast.net  Wed Jan 19 06:05:09 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:05:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] something to dream about owning
In-Reply-To: <001901c4fd5c$9efc4d10$8c9f0952@no1>
References: <001901c4fd5c$9efc4d10$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <41EE6915.60102@comcast.net>


I'd have thought someone would want a beautiful mackine like that in a 
museum,and run it on steam, as it was intended.

What a draw that would be to a theme park or mall....you'd have to pay a 
"Stationary Engineer", but running that behind plexiglass 
panels.....what a draw. I'd drive 100 miles or more just to see it.

Dave Croft wrote:

>While its so quiet I thought you might like to see this on EBay
>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69826&item=6506036187&rd=1
>You would need a big box to ship it to the USA!
>Dave Croft
>Warrington
>England
>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>  
>



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Jan 19 06:15:18 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:15:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Not Quite OT: Gray Motor (And Hammond Organ) Trivia
Message-ID: <8BFA55BF-6A24-11D9-9CA4-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

I love mechanical devices, electronics (mainly of the vacuum tube sort) 
and music. I've gotten interested in old Hammond organs, which combine 
all 3. I'm reading a book on them right now, and learned that Laurens 
Hammond, the thoroughly nonmusical, tone-deaf, mechanically brilliant 
engineer who invented the organ, served as the Chief Engineer of the 
Gray Motor Company from 1918-1920. He didn't really like that job and 
was able to leave it when he invented a silent spring-driven clock 
movement. He was the inventor of the synchronous AC motor clock, which 
was responsible for the standardization and close regulation of power 
line frequency across the US. (He gave electric clocks to the 
executives of the power companies. That did the trick.) An early 
invention, when he was 10 and living in France, was an automatic 
transmission for cars. He didn't follow his mother's advice to show it 
to Renault's chief engineer, however. He invented the two-color 3D film 
viewing goggles, guidance systems for glide bombs, missiles and 
torpedos, and assorted other stuff. Not to mention the Hammond organ, 
which every modern electronic keyboard attempts to emulate. The 
spinning tone wheel and magnetic pickup tone generator of the Hammond 
was derived from the Telharmonium, a 1909 invention of Thaddeus Cahill 
that used big toothed gears as the pole pieces of huge alternators that 
generated musical AC frequencies directly (no amplification) that would 
be piped over telephone lines to speakers in subscribers' homes. The 
parts of the instrument had to be shipped in 5 railroad cars!

Anyway, thought y'all'd like to know his Gray Motor Company collection, 
especially you marine engine enthusiasts. :-)

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 19 07:07:23 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:07:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] NW Swap Meets
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV3D87765D900AD63E7A80ABB800@phx.gbl>

  Howdy all from balmy Mt...the Missouri has to be risin'

  Looking for a listing for NW U.S. Swap meets as I'm trying to talk Corky 
into going to some other than do ebay so much.

  I don't remember if W.A.I.T listed them or not.

Blabber on:

  We took a good look at his 4hp HC Horizontal Famous yesterday. This baby 
is fantastic  with all the camming devices, possible compression 
release??...Economizer for lack of a better word.


   He's got the makings of a true ole iron nut as he's got a "M" all tore 
apart and now wants to dig into the Famous:-)  The gas tank is a real 
puzzler to me in that it's got two "thru Holes" in it that Cork thinks it's 
for mounting.  I don't think so but guess it's possible.  We got the engine 
in pieces so will have to pursue that down the road.

  He's got several IHC manuals but would like to correspond with any other 
owners...probably thru me as he doesn't keyboard.

Well..look out for water below, it's starting to rise up here.

later friends
RickinMt.
http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 


From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 19 09:19:46 2005
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:19:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT  Blue Print for Maypole Braider & Banknote Engraver 
Message-ID: <20050119171947.25696.qmail@web52707.mail.yahoo.com>

You can rest assured that as soon as I come up with a blue print for
the maypole braider that I will share it with anyone who wants a copy. 

Unfortunately, the banknote engraver is only good for producing your
own unique art or personal banknote designs. It is just about worthless
for reverse engineering or copying anything that already exists since
the mathematical complexity of its operation is even more profound than
the Enigma Machines that the Axis powers used for message encryption
during WW2! To reproduce the designs already in use the original
settings would have to be known, and you can bet that those are kept
locked up in a vault and as heavily guarded as the formula for Coca
Cola! Back in the late 1950?s and early 1960?s the Northern Signal
Company of Saukville, Wisconsin, manufactured a well-made geometric
design drawing toy that went by the name of ?Magic Designer?, which was
formerly called the ?Hoot Nanny?, that was a highly simplified version
of the banknote geometric lathe. In about 1984 an even simpler version
called a spirograph was made. Those machines were popular for making
attractive designs for personalized greeting cards. Another pattern
drawing machine toy that I think was called a gyrograph was made around
1973 that used a ball point pen attached to a pendulum to trace the
swinging patterns on paper. I have a ?Magic Designer? that I got in
1959 and I have only seen a very few since then. They are probably on
eBay, I?ll have to look. I have some photos posted of the ?Magic
Designer? and some of the designs drawn with it. Go to:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/linstrum/album%20one/resizemagicdesigner4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/linstrum/album%20one/resizemagicdesigner6.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/linstrum/album%20one/resizemagicdesigner7.jpg

I hope they are accessible. If you can?t view the photos I will email
them to any who provides an email address.

Rich Allen



From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Wed Jan 19 12:21:50 2005
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:21:50 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Associated muffler
References: <011920050142.8459.41EDBB19000CB6D80000210B22070009530A020709020A9D03@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00b801c4fe64$82195720$3775833e@harryp1811>

Starbolt sells them for $30.00
They are good nice looking mufflers. I have two of them on my Hired Hand and
Hired Man.



Harry Terpstra
Sint Annaparochie
Netherlands
h.terpstra at wxs.nl
http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html



----- Original Message -----
From: <mrengine at comcast.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 2:42 AM
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Associated muffler


> Anybody have an original Associated muffler they would sell? It's 1" pipe
thread for AC Hired Hand. I have a Economy muffler I could trade too.Thanks
Frank
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Jan 19 13:59:47 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:59:47 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Not Quite OT: Gray Motor (And Hammond Organ) Trivia
References: <8BFA55BF-6A24-11D9-9CA4-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <007701c4fe72$32782d00$8c9f0952@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 2:15 PM
Subject: [SEL] Not Quite OT: Gray Motor (And Hammond Organ) Trivia


> I love mechanical devices, electronics (mainly of the vacuum tube sort) 
> and music. I've gotten interested in old Hammond organs, which combine 
> all 3. I'm reading a book on them right now, and learned that Laurens 
> Hammond, the thoroughly nonmusical, tone-deaf, mechanically brilliant 
> engineer who invented the organ, served as the Chief Engineer of the 
> Gray Motor Company from 1918-1920. He didn't really like that job and 
> was able to leave it when he invented a silent spring-driven clock 
> movement. He was the inventor of the synchronous AC motor clock, which 
> was responsible for the standardization and close regulation of power 
> line frequency across the US. (He gave electric clocks to the 
> executives of the power companies. That did the trick.) An early 
> invention, when he was 10 and living in France, was an automatic 
> transmission for cars. He didn't follow his mother's advice to show it 
> to Renault's chief engineer, however. He invented the two-color 3D film 
> viewing goggles, guidance systems for glide bombs, missiles and 
> torpedos, and assorted other stuff. Not to mention the Hammond organ, 
> which every modern electronic keyboard attempts to emulate. The 
> spinning tone wheel and magnetic pickup tone generator of the Hammond 
> was derived from the Telharmonium, a 1909 invention of Thaddeus Cahill 
> that used big toothed gears as the pole pieces of huge alternators that 
> generated musical AC frequencies directly (no amplification) that would 
> be piped over telephone lines to speakers in subscribers' homes. The 
> parts of the instrument had to be shipped in 5 railroad cars!
> Anyway, thought y'all'd like to know his Gray Motor Company collection, 
> especially you marine engine enthusiasts. :-)
> John Culp

Hi John, about 20 years ago I had a part time job repairing electric organs.
I just did this to provide my beer money! The circuits were mainly I/C's on
the PCB's. I still have a folder of circuit diagrams & I think I also have a bag 
of I/C's somewhere.
I only worked on one large Hammond & I was horrified when I took the back 
off to find all the horizontal revolving shafts with the tone wheels instead of circuit boards.
I only survived that job because my day job was an Electro-Mechanical 
*telephone exchange engineer. (*Central Office engineer in American)
Most Hammonds had disappeared even then. 
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Jan 19 14:06:55 2005
From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:06:55 -0800
Subject: [SEL] NW Swap Meets
Message-ID: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10120F6F6@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>

Richard,

The Branch 15 swap meet at Brooks Oregon in June is the biggest west
coast swap meet.  It's worth the drive from MT.

The Roy Washington swap meet in April is the first NW swap meet each
year, but may not be worth a drive from MT as it isn't that big of a
swap meet.  It also conflicts with the Tulare California show which is
where I'll be heading instead!

W.A.I.T. lists all the western swap meets in the publication plus flyers
for some of them.  The coming events page on the www.irontrader.com
website will also have the dates.  (I haven't updated this lately and
most likely won't until the February issue goes out the end of this
month.)

George
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Strobel
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:07 AM
> To: SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] NW Swap Meets
> 
>   Howdy all from balmy Mt...the Missouri has to be risin'
> 
>   Looking for a listing for NW U.S. Swap meets as I'm trying 
> to talk Corky into going to some other than do ebay so much.
> 
>   I don't remember if W.A.I.T listed them or not.
> 



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 19 13:59:29 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:59:29 -0600
Subject: [SEL] something to dream about owning
References: <001901c4fd5c$9efc4d10$8c9f0952@no1> <41EE6915.60102@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <008d01c4fe72$27932ca0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>

 I'd have thought someone would want a beautiful mackine like that in a 
> museum,and run it on steam, as it was intended.

> What a draw that would be to a theme park or mall....you'd have to pay a 
> "Stationary Engineer", but running that behind plexiglass 
> panels.....what a draw. I'd drive 100 miles or more just to see it.
 

That would get kind of expensive after a while ,  boiling all that water ,
Maybe an electric motor and a belt , and it wont heat up my living room so 
bad in the summer and make my guitars all soggy and thuddy .  Line shafts 
and flat belts from there to every ceiling  fan in the joint .


Chuck 


From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 19 14:13:48 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:13:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fairmont Railcar Motor Carb 
Message-ID: <009501c4fe74$26e01e60$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>

http://motorcar.winkworth.us/manuals/man_pha5_1938.jpg

Anybody got one of these for a hopper cooled P-series Fairmont ?  Its a
Schebler  looking OE unit
from fairmont .A timer would be nice too .



From Vivas1993 at aol.com  Wed Jan 19 16:29:04 2005
From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:29:04 EST
Subject: [SEL] NW Swap Meets
Message-ID: <9.3bdb61be.2f205550@aol.com>

Hi Rick,
 The 2 holes through the gas tank are for mounting it. I have an 8hp IHC 
Famous, and 2 threaded rods go through the tank, and bolt through 2 pieces of wood 
under the tank, this is the original way the tank was supported
 The wood is looks like a piece of 1 X 6. 
 Good luck,
 Dwight,
 Matoaca, VA.


From 39sedan at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 19 17:05:26 2005
From: 39sedan at sbcglobal.net (39 Sedan)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:05:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] patent search
Message-ID: <001c01c4fe8c$2191db20$a06ce504@c9r8r9>

Hi guys, In the past I have saw some of the U.S. patent searches you guy's have ran. I hope someone can help me with this one. I have a spark plug,no name on the insulator.It is a take apart plug .On the base the flats are stamped A.C. with a patent date of OCT 18,1899.I don't know which this could be a) "ALBERT CHAMPION COMPANY" Boston Mass,(1906-07) or B) Champion ignition co,Flint Mich,sometimes marked CICO or A.C. AFTER 1908.The time of the patent date 10/18/1899 Albert champion was working with Charles Metz for Waltham manufacturing in waltham Mass.The patent should be in Albert champion's name.I don't have the patent number.Can any one help? DALE MARK <FLINT MICH>>>39sedan at sbcglobal.net

From sleis at mwt.net  Wed Jan 19 19:56:57 2005
From: sleis at mwt.net (Stacy Leis)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:56:57 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Lindsay-Alamo type A
Message-ID: <000a01c4fea4$1727ea40$2d55becf@computer>

Hi List 

   I'm restoring a Lindsay Alamo type A and I have found traces of red paint.I thought that they were blue so could someone tell my why some are blue and some are red and a good red paint match in a spray can?
                                        Stacy

From skipl at montana.com  Wed Jan 19 18:09:31 2005
From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:09:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] NW Swap Meets
References: <BAY3-DAV3D87765D900AD63E7A80ABB800@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41EF12DB.F2932ED2@montana.com>

rick, it is a compression release, the through holes in the tank are for
mounting. i have a one horse hopper cooled, one horse air cooled, a 2 1/2
hopper cooled, a 3 horse vertical, & a 10 horse tank cooled. all famouses [ is
that a word?] be happy to jaw with you about ihc.  skip

Richard Strobel wrote:

>   Howdy all from balmy Mt...the Missouri has to be risin'
>
>   Looking for a listing for NW U.S. Swap meets as I'm trying to talk Corky
> into going to some other than do ebay so much.
>
>   I don't remember if W.A.I.T listed them or not.
>
> Blabber on:
>
>   We took a good look at his 4hp HC Horizontal Famous yesterday. This baby
> is fantastic  with all the camming devices, possible compression
> release??...Economizer for lack of a better word.
>
>    He's got the makings of a true ole iron nut as he's got a "M" all tore
> apart and now wants to dig into the Famous:-)  The gas tank is a real
> puzzler to me in that it's got two "thru Holes" in it that Cork thinks it's
> for mounting.  I don't think so but guess it's possible.  We got the engine
> in pieces so will have to pursue that down the road.
>
>   He's got several IHC manuals but would like to correspond with any other
> owners...probably thru me as he doesn't keyboard.
>
> Well..look out for water below, it's starting to rise up here.
>
> later friends
> RickinMt.
> http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Jan 19 18:30:19 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:30:19 EST
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
Message-ID: <fc.af93923.2f2071bb@aol.com>

Hi,
I find that I am having trouble establishing priorities on projects  that I 
get started and then for some reason before finishing the project I get  
started on another one.
As an example, I started to get my Johnson reassembled.  Then  I found that I 
needed to get the magneto remagnized.  The person does my  magneto work has 
been sick with the flu and pneumonia and will not be able to  get the work done 
until next month.  Thus, the Johnson project is on  hold.
Next example is, I have started to get the IHC LB running.  In  trying to get 
it running right, I had to grind the valves.  My neighbor has  a seat 
grinder.  However, he couldn't find the correct pilot.  After a  couple of phone 
calls, I was able to borrow one.  I was able to get head  reworked and assembled 
to the engine.  Of course, I had to make some new  oiling felts for the valve 
stems.  To do this,  I make some  punches cut the felts to the correct 
diameter.  
The person from whom I borrowed the pilot called me yesterday  and told me to 
come and pick up a Black and Decker valve grinder that he didn't  need.  Now, 
I am in the process of building a roll away table for this new  tool addition.
Am I the only one who has these types of interference or this to be  expected 
when working with old iron.
 
 
Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 


From brock at netspeed.com.au  Thu Jan 20 00:40:07 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:40:07 +1100
Subject: [SEL] White gasoline engine 
Message-ID: <001101c4fecb$a6c9dd80$5f11fea9@merlin>

G,day All 

i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy working on my white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so 
i have updated some pics on my webshots page 
Brock Summerfield
ACT Australia  
brock at netspeed.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198

From brock at netspeed.com.au  Thu Jan 20 01:42:24 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:42:24 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine 
Message-ID: <004801c4fed4$5a1c9140$5f11fea9@merlin>




G,day All 

i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy working on my white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so 
i have updated some pics on my webshots page 
Brock Summerfield
ACT Australia  
brock at netspeed.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198

From brock at netspeed.com.au  Thu Jan 20 01:52:52 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:52:52 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine 
Message-ID: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin>




G,day All 

i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy working on my white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so 
i have updated some pics on my webshots page 
Brock Summerfield
ACT Australia  
brock at netspeed.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198

From prepair at easynet.co.uk  Thu Jan 20 02:03:17 2005
From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:03:17 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
In-Reply-To: <fc.af93923.2f2071bb@aol.com>
References: <fc.af93923.2f2071bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <gc0vu0pioirft1303bs5coi7f3lllv6jkc@4ax.com>

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:30:19 EST, you wrote:

>Hi,
>I find that I am having trouble establishing priorities on projects  that I 
>get started and then for some reason before finishing the project I get  
>started on another one.

<snipped>

> Now, 
>I am in the process of building a roll away table for this new  tool addition.
>Am I the only one who has these types of interference or this to be  expected 
>when working with old iron.
> 
> 
>Francis Maciel
>Santa Maria, CA 

Sounds pretty much like most of us :-))

(Time to go to bed isn't it?)


Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK
prepair at easynet.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jan 20 03:47:38 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:47:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Lindsay-Alamo type A
References: <000a01c4fea4$1727ea40$2d55becf@computer>
Message-ID: <002c01c4fee5$d7466fe0$966e8645@carolina.rr.com>

Mine is original and a deep maroon with black pinstriping highlighted in
yellow.
Mike Royster
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stacy Leis" <sleis at mwt.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 10:56 PM
Subject: [SEL] Lindsay-Alamo type A


Hi List

   I'm restoring a Lindsay Alamo type A and I have found traces of red
paint.I thought that they were blue so could someone tell my why some are
blue and some are red and a good red paint match in a spray can?
                                        Stacy
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From ELIDAS at aol.com  Thu Jan 20 04:18:43 2005
From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:18:43 EST
Subject: [SEL] Not Quite OT: Gray Motor (And Hammond Organ) Trivia
Message-ID: <1e9.33c227b2.2f20fba3@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/20/2005 2:48:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:



> I love mechanical devices, electronics (mainly of the  vacuum tube sort) 
> and music. I've gotten interested in old Hammond  organs, which combine 
> all 3. I'm reading a book on them right now,  and learned that Laurens 
> Hammond, the thoroughly nonmusical,  tone-deaf, mechanically brilliant 
> engineer who invented the organ,  served as the Chief Engineer of the 



I worked for a Hammond dealer when I was a kid. (52 know) I always  call it 
my music career.  I delivered them. Hammond's were (are) very  popular, used by 
most rock bands. The guy I delivered with was probably one of  the best blues 
organists in New England. The organs had a great sound and were  known for 
their extreme ruggedness-being dropped off stage was not unheard of-a  B-3 with 
two Leslies was unbeatable. 
  If we can figure out how to get it to Tenn I have the remnants of an  "H" 
you can have.
 Mike


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jan 20 04:24:56 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:24:56 -0000
Subject: [SEL] something to dream about owning
References: <001901c4fd5c$9efc4d10$8c9f0952@no1> <41EE6915.60102@comcast.net>
	<008d01c4fe72$27932ca0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
Message-ID: <005901c4feeb$0e3042b0$8c9f0952@no1>

Hi Chuck, The manchester science Museum manages to run
steam engines that size slowly on steam generated in a small enclosure
outside the museum. 
It must be some form of electric instant steam generator
I will ask next time I visit. See http://www.msim.org.uk/
This Museum is well worth a visit to any visitors to the NW.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kerogas at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] something to dream about owning


> I'd have thought someone would want a beautiful mackine like that in a 
> > museum,and run it on steam, as it was intended.
> 
> > What a draw that would be to a theme park or mall....you'd have to pay a 
> > "Stationary Engineer", but running that behind plexiglass 
> > panels.....what a draw. I'd drive 100 miles or more just to see it.
>  
> 
> That would get kind of expensive after a while ,  boiling all that water ,
> Maybe an electric motor and a belt , and it wont heat up my living room so 
> bad in the summer and make my guitars all soggy and thuddy .  Line shafts 
> and flat belts from there to every ceiling  fan in the joint .
> 
> 
> Chuck 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jan 20 04:30:47 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:30:47 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
References: <fc.af93923.2f2071bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <006801c4feeb$dfd1e120$8c9f0952@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 2:30 AM
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects


> Hi,
> I find that I am having trouble establishing priorities on projects  that I 
> get started and then for some reason before finishing the project I get  
> started on another one.
> As an example, I started to get my Johnson reassembled.  Then  I found that I 
> needed to get the magneto remagnized.  The person does my  magneto work has 
> been sick with the flu and pneumonia and will not be able to  get the work done 
> until next month.  Thus, the Johnson project is on  hold.
> Next example is, I have started to get the IHC LB running.  In  trying to get 
> it running right, I had to grind the valves.  My neighbor has  a seat 
> grinder.  However, he couldn't find the correct pilot.  After a  couple of phone 
> calls, I was able to borrow one.  I was able to get head  reworked and assembled 
> to the engine.  Of course, I had to make some new  oiling felts for the valve 
> stems.  To do this,  I make some  punches cut the felts to the correct 
> diameter.  
> The person from whom I borrowed the pilot called me yesterday  and told me to 
> come and pick up a Black and Decker valve grinder that he didn't  need.  Now, 
> I am in the process of building a roll away table for this new  tool addition.
> Am I the only one who has these types of interference or this to be  expected 
> when working with old iron.
> Francis Maciel

Hi Francis, we might have some of your problems but
it isn't usually caused for us by having lots of help & 
free gifts. 8^)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jan 20 04:40:57 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:40:57 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Wolsley information.
Message-ID: <007001c4feed$4b6d3910$8c9f0952@no1>

The letter below was posted to the UK engine group.
Perhaps it could be of interest to some Aussie members!
_________________________________________________________
I am involved with Norman Painting in publishing his latest book
"Herbert Austin: New Light on the Wolseley Years." It is based on
recently-discovered material. We hope to get it on the bookshelves in
time for the Austin/Longbridge Centenary celebrations in June/July. A
number of  areas of research remain unresolved, hence this approach to
Wolseley stationary engine experts.

When Herbert Austin was working for Wolseley Sheep Shearing Machine Co
Ltd in the 1890s he designed, built and patented a new portable STEAM
ENGINE and gear for shearing. This represents his first known attempt
to design an engine of any sort. It was a vertical design, unlike his
first motor car petrol engines a few years later which were all of
horizontal configuration.

The steam engine was a two-cylinder design with a novel form of valve
gear, covered by patent number 13879-1893. In July 1893 the company
exhibited the new portable steam engine at the Highland & Agricultural
Society Show in Edinburgh. Interest was very favourable and Messrs.
Carruther&#8217;s & Son of Glasgow immediately requested an agency for
selling the portable shearing gear. A similar request was made by R.
J. Hawkes, believed to be from New Zealand.

Austin also developed an early portable oil engine which was completed
and tested by October 1896. The engines were apparently made in sizes
of  4, 7 and 12 b.h.p. In June 1898 the Royal Agricultural Society
held their Birmingham Show in Four Oaks Park, Birmingham and Wolseley
are mentioned in the list of exhibitors of gas/oil engines. We know
from records that these engines sold in Australia: Messrs. Sanderson
Murray & Co., of Tasmania ordered "oil portable engines, and 11 sets
of machines" in January 1898.

We have been unable to locate any illustrations or extant examples of
these machines. If you have come across references to these machines,
or have any idea where such information might be found, we would be
very pleased to hear from you.

With best wishes Peter Allen
______________________________________________________________________
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jan 20 04:44:27 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:44:27 +1100
Subject: [SEL] White gasoline engine 
In-Reply-To: <001101c4fecb$a6c9dd80$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <200501201244.j0KCiTkG033739@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

The White is looking great Brock. I look forward to seeing it all nicely
painted and running at a rally soon ;)
It certainly is a rare beastie. Of the 26000 engine pictures I have on file
the only vertical White engine pictures I have are of your one!
Does anyone know of any of these in the USA?

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

G,day All 

i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy working on my
white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so 
i have updated some pics on my webshots page 
Brock Summerfield
ACT Australia  
brock at netspeed.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
_______________________________________________




From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jan 20 04:58:20 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:58:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NW Swap Meets
In-Reply-To: <9.3bdb61be.2f205550@aol.com>
References: <9.3bdb61be.2f205550@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41EFAAEC.1060205@imc-group.com>

Dwight,
I need to make a gas tank for my 8HP Famous. Could I trouble you for a 
drawing/sketch of that tank to help me make one correctly?
For several years I have been using a temporary little round tank, but I 
need to get it back to original. It's tucked behind the front frame bolster.
Here is a pict of the engine.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2004/PA090003.JPG
Curt

Vivas1993 at aol.com wrote:

>Hi Rick,
> The 2 holes through the gas tank are for mounting it. I have an 8hp IHC 
>Famous, and 2 threaded rods go through the tank, and bolt through 2 pieces of wood 
>under the tank, this is the original way the tank was supported
> The wood is looks like a piece of 1 X 6. 
> Good luck,
> Dwight,
> Matoaca, VA.
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jan 20 04:56:18 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:56:18 EST
Subject: [SEL] patent search
Message-ID: <c4.1f39a2e9.2f210472@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/20/2005 4:08:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
39sedan at sbcglobal.net writes:

<< In the past I have saw some of the U.S. patent searches  >>


Dale,

It is time consuming finding patents with just the date especially with a 
slow country connection, but I have done it and have had others help doing it 
too.  Go to patent office:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/srchnum.htm

Type in a "guess" patent number in the "query" box. For example, type in 
400000 and see what happens.  
 Next page click on "images"
This will bring up the patent and date. Patent item March 19, 1989
 Keep making up numbers until you find the number for the patent date you are 
looking for.  
Once you find a number that matches the date, then go back or forward 
adding/subtracting one number at a time until you find the patent that matches the 
item you are looking for.  In your case a sparkplug.  There might be several 
hundred patents issued for that date because from what I can observe, all patents 
issued for a particular week are given a patent date of that Monday.

There may be a simpler way, but I have not found it.

Good luck,

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jan 20 05:12:31 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:12:31 EST
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
Message-ID: <1d4.34277cb3.2f21083f@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/20/2005 4:40:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
FRM8198 at aol.com writes:

<< Am I the only one who has these types of interference or this to be  
expected 
 when working with old iron. >>

Francis,

>From my limited knowledge and 61 years, I am sorry to report that it is my 
observation that it is an illness which there is no cure. My shop has become 
paths due to this continuing problem.  The worse part is that I am still looking 
for more projects to bring home!!!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jan 20 07:13:38 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:13:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Lindsay-Alamo type A
In-Reply-To: <000a01c4fea4$1727ea40$2d55becf@computer>
References: <000a01c4fea4$1727ea40$2d55becf@computer>
Message-ID: <42168.165.206.180.118.1106234018.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

Alamo Blue-Line was a blue color.
Lindsay-Alamo - I have one, not an A, and it is black as the ace of
spades, much original paint.

I thought these were a Maroon color, not really red, but a deeper color.

bilL

> Hi List
>
>    I'm restoring a Lindsay Alamo type A and I have found traces of red
> paint.I thought that they were blue so could someone tell my why some
> are blue and some are red and a good red paint match in a spray can?
>                                         Stacy
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Thu Jan 20 07:41:35 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 02:41:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine 
References: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <001b01c4ff06$87c15ea0$3d3354d2@cam>

Bloody nice engine Brock and good to see you back in the picture. I picked
up a nice restored 3hp Austral ( mag start ) a couple of weeks ago. Are you
going to Naracoorte. Catchya Cam
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:52 PM
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine





G,day All

i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy working on my
white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so
i have updated some pics on my webshots page
Brock Summerfield
ACT Australia
brock at netspeed.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jan 20 08:36:13 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:36:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
In-Reply-To: <fc.af93923.2f2071bb@aol.com>
References: <fc.af93923.2f2071bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41EFDDFD.9050805@imc-group.com>

FRM8198 at aol.com wrote:

>As an example, I started to get my Johnson reassembled. 
>
Ouch, that had to hurt ;-)
Curt


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jan 20 08:32:09 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:32:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
In-Reply-To: <fc.af93923.2f2071bb@aol.com>
References: <fc.af93923.2f2071bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501201131160.77857@vegeta.city-net.com>

DAMN Francis, that's gotta hurt like hell!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 FRM8198 at aol.com wrote:

> As an example, I started to get my Johnson reassembled.


From Vivas1993 at aol.com  Thu Jan 20 08:54:07 2005
From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:54:07 EST
Subject: [SEL] NW Swap Meets
Message-ID: <f4.489793ce.2f213c2f@aol.com>

Hi Curt,
 No problem, as soon as it warms up a little, I'll get a some measurements 
and get the info. to you.   My tank needs some work, it's got a few holes in the 
bottom, but it's nothing that can't be fixed.
 Nice looking engine !
 Dwight


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jan 20 09:03:32 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:03:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] patent search
In-Reply-To: <c4.1f39a2e9.2f210472@aol.com>
References: <c4.1f39a2e9.2f210472@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501201157020.77857@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Tom,

That's a really good summary of the "patent search problem."

Fortunatly, there may be a solution.  We have a number of folks on the
list who enjoy the "seven day weekend."  Clearly winter is a slack time
for them.  Perhaps they could spend some time doing a service that would
benefit everyone.

All they would need to do is to download and save the first text page of
each patent.  Then use OCR software (like the one that comes with a
scanner) to convert that page to searchable text.  Then they put all of
that info into one big file that we could search.

Easy peasy.  Do we have a volunteer?

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

> It is time consuming finding patents with just the date especially with a
> slow country connection, but I have done it and have had others help doing it
> too.  Go to patent office:
>
> http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/srchnum.htm
>
> Type in a "guess" patent number in the "query" box. For example, type in
> 400000 and see what happens.
> Next page click on "images"
> This will bring up the patent and date. Patent item March 19, 1989
> Keep making up numbers until you find the number for the patent date you are
> looking for.
> Once you find a number that matches the date, then go back or forward
> adding/subtracting one number at a time until you find the patent that matches the
> item you are looking for.  In your case a sparkplug.  There might be several
> hundred patents issued for that date because from what I can observe, all patents
> issued for a particular week are given a patent date of that Monday.
>
> There may be a simpler way, but I have not found it.



From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Jan 20 09:28:47 2005
From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:28:47 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
Message-ID: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE10129744D@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> FRM8198 at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 6:30 PM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
> 
> Hi,
> I find that I am having trouble establishing priorities on 
> projects  that I get started and then for some reason before 
> finishing the project I get started on another one.


Finish a project???? What's that? ;-)

My shop and barns are full of unfinished projects.

One of the reasons I now try to buy running and complete engines as I
know from experience that I won't get it running if it takes anything
greater than a day of tinkering with it.

15+ years ago when life was simplier and I had more time I was better at
getting things finished, but as I get older it seems that I aquire
things because they're a good deal forgetting that I don't have time for
the projects I already have.

To make matters worse, I've been looking at buying a fishing boat!  That
will really help in getting projects finished!

I might have to start thinking about retiring from work as I don't have
time for working now with all the projects I have.

George



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 20 10:09:48 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:09:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] something to dream about owning
References: <001901c4fd5c$9efc4d10$8c9f0952@no1>
	<41EE6915.60102@comcast.net><008d01c4fe72$27932ca0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
	<005901c4feeb$0e3042b0$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <009201c4ff1b$3b3bef40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>



> It must be some form of electric instant steam generator
> I will ask next time I visit. See http://www.msim.org.uk/

A flash boiler like a Stanley maybe .

Im not sure but do these  cats have a USS Enterprise hanging from the
ceiling ?
http://www.msim.org.uk/images/Gallery_01_Galleries/Air%20Space%20interior.jp
g
"Where the arts and sciences are flourishing,
  Where smoke from factory chimneys bring
  The air so black, so thick, and nourishing."

Industrious folks in Manchester eh ?



From 39sedan at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 20 11:13:10 2005
From: 39sedan at sbcglobal.net (39 Sedan)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:13:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] patent search
References: <c4.1f39a2e9.2f210472@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001801c4ff24$15ed5f40$fd6ce504@c9r8r9>

Thanks Tom,I am putting together a display.I have a 4cyl magneto that was 
marketed by the "Albert Champion Company" Boston Mass.(1906-07).That plug is 
one I want to fire with the mag.Each plug will mark a major event to the 
company.All are restored now I need to document each of them.I will try your 
method to find this patent. I know I will be on a fishing trip.Thanks 
again>>>>DALE MARK  FLINT MICH>>39sedan at sbcglobal.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] patent search


> In a message dated 1/20/2005 4:08:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> 39sedan at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> << In the past I have saw some of the U.S. patent searches  >>
>
>
> Dale,
>
> It is time consuming finding patents with just the date especially with a
> slow country connection, but I have done it and have had others help doing 
> it
> too.  Go to patent office:
>
> http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/srchnum.htm
>
> Type in a "guess" patent number in the "query" box. For example, type in
> 400000 and see what happens.
> Next page click on "images"
> This will bring up the patent and date. Patent item March 19, 1989
> Keep making up numbers until you find the number for the patent date you 
> are
> looking for.
> Once you find a number that matches the date, then go back or forward
> adding/subtracting one number at a time until you find the patent that 
> matches the
> item you are looking for.  In your case a sparkplug.  There might be 
> several
> hundred patents issued for that date because from what I can observe, all 
> patents
> issued for a particular week are given a patent date of that Monday.
>
> There may be a simpler way, but I have not found it.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Jan 20 11:18:33 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:18:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
Message-ID: <20050120.111833.168.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Francis.
I thought that was the way everyone did it.   I always have 3 or 4
engines apart at the same time.  I never have to worry what to work on, I
have a choice.  Oh, then there is the new engine that just needs a little
work.


Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside California USA
http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jan 20 13:27:58 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:27:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] NW Swap Meets
References: <BAY3-DAV3D87765D900AD63E7A80ABB800@phx.gbl>
	<41EF12DB.F2932ED2@montana.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV9EF001BB0BFCE020C2F82BB810@phx.gbl>

Thanks guys..he appreciates the info!  Does the fuel pump plunger just pull 
out after the obvious is removed?  Stuck big time.

later,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "skip landis" <skipl at montana.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] NW Swap Meets


> rick, it is a compression release, the through holes in the tank are for
> mounting. i have a one horse hopper cooled, one horse air cooled, a 2 1/2
> hopper cooled, a 3 horse vertical, & a 10 horse tank cooled. all famouses 
> [ is
> that a word?] be happy to jaw with you about ihc.  skip
>
> Richard Strobel wrote:
>
> >   Howdy all from balmy Mt...the Missouri has to be risin'
> >
> >   Looking for a listing for NW U.S. Swap meets as I'm trying to talk 
> > Corky
> > into going to some other than do ebay so much.
> >
> >   I don't remember if W.A.I.T listed them or not.
> >
> > Blabber on:
> >
> >   We took a good look at his 4hp HC Horizontal Famous yesterday. This 
> > baby
> > is fantastic  with all the camming devices, possible compression
> > release??...Economizer for lack of a better word.
> >
> >    He's got the makings of a true ole iron nut as he's got a "M" all 
> > tore
> > apart and now wants to dig into the Famous:-)  The gas tank is a real
> > puzzler to me in that it's got two "thru Holes" in it that Cork thinks 
> > it's
> > for mounting.  I don't think so but guess it's possible.  We got the 
> > engine
> > in pieces so will have to pursue that down the road.
> >
> >   He's got several IHC manuals but would like to correspond with any 
> > other
> > owners...probably thru me as he doesn't keyboard.
> >
> > Well..look out for water below, it's starting to rise up here.
> >
> > later friends
> > RickinMt.
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Jan 20 15:22:48 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:22:48 +0800
Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
Message-ID: <002101c4ff46$f8df64c0$03ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>

I have just taken to pieces a down draught carby from a little Cooper [ iron 
horse]. The float bowl chamber was full of a white oxide presumably 
corrosion from the  Aluminium.When i say full ,it was just about bursting 
out. I have given it a very light sand blast which has removed most of the 
white oxide .
Question ..........will it grow again and is there any other way of removing 
it and neutralising the corrosion?



Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Thu Jan 20 15:39:58 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:39:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
References: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <002b01c4ff49$5b5662a0$c684dccb@oemcomputer>

You know my feelings on this engine .I have left a space where it will fit
in my already crowded shed.We can lift it of with the Towmotor when you get
here on Friday week.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:52
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine





G,day All

i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy working on my
white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so
i have updated some pics on my webshots page
Brock Summerfield
ACT Australia
brock at netspeed.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Thu Jan 20 18:01:33 2005
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:01:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] patent search
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501201157020.77857@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <c4.1f39a2e9.2f210472@aol.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0501201157020.77857@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20050120203854.03a00ec0@MAIL1.THEBOOK.COM>

It has been a long long time since I did a patent search but as I recall 
You could search by multiple inputs  such as subject category  (a 
number)  assignee,  and range of dates.  This what not on the Internet. I 
did it at one of the  Libraries that house patent info.  I used the one in 
Buffalo NY.  The librarians were very helpful in getting me started. I 
don't recall if the old stuff was computerized at that time.  This site 
might help you.
Patent and Trademark Depository Library Program 
(PTDLP)  http://www.uspto.gov/go/ptdl/

   I haven't tried it since.  In the other patents I have, I had the luxury 
of some one else paying for the search (and being the assignee).

BTW  if any one with a slow country connection wants a Direcway satellite 
hook up email me I have one for sale.

Frank



>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>
> > It is time consuming finding patents with just the date especially with a
> > slow country connection, but I have done it and have had others help 
> doing it
> > too.  Go to patent office:
> >
> > http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/srchnum.htm
> >

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From Todengine at aol.com  Thu Jan 20 18:09:58 2005
From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:09:58 EST
Subject: [SEL] something to dream about owning
Message-ID: <29.6b0e03b2.2f21be76@aol.com>

Yep thats a Galaxy class starship alright!   It could be the USS Yamato, not 
the Enterprise! :-)

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Heritage Park
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
http://www.todengine.org/
Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Jan 20 18:55:50 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:55:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Not Quite OT: Gray Motor (And Hammond Organ) Trivia
In-Reply-To: <007701c4fe72$32782d00$8c9f0952@no1>
References: <8BFA55BF-6A24-11D9-9CA4-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
	<007701c4fe72$32782d00$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <F523B0FA-6B57-11D9-8363-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>


On Jan 19, 2005, at 4:59 PM, Dave Croft wrote:

> Hi John, about 20 years ago I had a part time job repairing electric 
> organs.
> I just did this to provide my beer money! The circuits were mainly 
> I/C's on
> the PCB's. I still have a folder of circuit diagrams & I think I also 
> have a bag
> of I/C's somewhere.
> I only worked on one large Hammond & I was horrified when I took the 
> back
> off to find all the horizontal revolving shafts with the tone wheels 
> instead of circuit boards.
> I only survived that job because my day job was an Electro-Mechanical
> *telephone exchange engineer. (*Central Office engineer in American)
> Most Hammonds had disappeared even then.

Hammonds, like hit and miss engines, haven't quite disappeared and 
can't quite be replaced by anything else. :-)

I've just come home from the music store, the manager of which is a 
real Hammond guru and who's been egging me on. He's got Hammonds and 
Leslies everywhere. There's a really nice B3 in the back that I've been 
drooling over, and a Leslie 122 close to it. A bit out of my range, 
though. I'm in the process of trying to talk the old folks' Sunday 
School class, The Loyal Bereans, into giving me the beautiful little 
Hammond M3 spinet in their classroom that needs more TLC than would be 
economically feasible to hire professionally done, but would be a great 
project for me. Sort of like fixing up an old engine. Those little 
spinet Hammonds are essentially valueless at the moment, but the guts 
of a B3 and an M3 are nearly identical. The main difference is that the 
M3's missing about an octave and a half on the low end of the manuals, 
and only has 12 bass pedals. If the Loyal Bereans don't want to let me 
have their (currently useless) M3, another'll turn up before long. And 
K.D. (the aforesaid Hammond guru) is probably about to take in an 
obscure Leslie Model 600 on a debt. That one's horizontal instead of 
vertical, looking much like a '60s stereo cabinet. Gigging musicians 
don't like 'em because of their shape and awkwardness for moving, but 
it'd be fine in a house, and I just might get a (relatively) cheap 
Leslie that way! I don't have a background of organ playing, but do 
have some piano experience, and I can figure it out! (Who'll really 
take to it is my boy Joe. He can play just about anything. I hear him 
downstairs teaching himself harmonica right now.)

Jane won't be thrilled about me dragging big stuff like organs and 
Leslies in, but she'll get used to it. Better to ask forgiveness than 
permission, so mum's the word.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Jan 20 20:02:50 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:02:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] patent search
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501201157020.77857@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <c4.1f39a2e9.2f210472@aol.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0501201157020.77857@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050120225818.02438418@mail.alltel.net>


>Easy peasy.  Do we have a volunteer?
>
>See ya,  Arnie

Before I went on this welfare program that some call retirement, I was 
making somewhere around $225.00/$275.00 per hour. I'm older and slower now 
however, so I'll do the research for $175.00 per hour for anyone who wants 
it done.
         Dave
PS, Printouts will be an additional $6.00 per page. 



From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jan 20 20:57:00 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:57:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Gas Fired Soldering Iron Stove
Message-ID: <20050121.000316.1260.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Curt,

Reading my most recent issue of GEM reminded me of the 
Soldering Iron Stove you have.

Did you ever get the supply tube open.?

It just dawned on me - - - Does that tube have a wick in it - 
Similar to a Blow Torch???

I believe a blow torch has a wick with a wire in the tube.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From brock at netspeed.com.au  Fri Jan 21 00:29:56 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:29:56 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
References: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin>
	<002b01c4ff49$5b5662a0$c684dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <00af01c4ff93$6563c810$5f11fea9@merlin>

yeah i just finihsed loading about 50 maytags & moffit virtues that i,ll 
dump on you
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine


> You know my feelings on this engine .I have left a space where it will fit
> in my already crowded shed.We can lift it of with the Towmotor when you 
> get
> here on Friday week.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:52
> Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>
>
>
>
>
> G,day All
>
> i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy working on 
> my
> white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so
> i have updated some pics on my webshots page
> Brock Summerfield
> ACT Australia
> brock at netspeed.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From jbcast at charter.net  Fri Jan 21 03:05:47 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:05:47 +0000
Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
Message-ID: <3khj1h$gl8bfj@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net>


> 
> I have just taken to pieces a down draught carby from a little Cooper [ iron 
> horse]. The float bowl chamber was full of a white oxide presumably 
> corrosion from the  Aluminium.When i say full ,it was just about bursting 
> out. I have given it a very light sand blast which has removed most of the 
> white oxide .
> Question ..........will it grow again and is there any other way of removing 
> it and neutralising the corrosion?
 Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany

Peter, I would try to seal it with one of the thin epoxy fuel tank sealers. The corrosion will always be a problem. You'll have to be careful not to plug any passages,trace them out and blast with air after coating.
J.B. Castagnos



From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jan 21 05:04:52 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:04:52 EST
Subject: [SEL] patent search
Message-ID: <fc.b14e0e8.2f2257f4@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/20/2005 8:01:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

<<All they would need to do is to download and save the first text page of
each patent.  Then use OCR software (like the one that comes with a
scanner) to convert that page to searchable text.  Then they put all of
that info into one big file that we could search. Clearly winter is a slack 
time for them. Easy peasy.  Do we have a volunteer? >>

Arnie,

Me thinks the winter "doldrums" are definitely setting in on some of us!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jan 21 05:07:08 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:07:08 EST
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
Message-ID: <59.1f8466b7.2f22587c@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/20/2005 8:01:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
George_Best at adp.com writes:

<< I might have to start thinking about retiring from work as I don't have
 time for working now with all the projects I have. >>


Sorry to inform you George, but retiring will only make matters worse!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jan 21 05:59:04 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:59:04 EST
Subject: [SEL] Gas Fired Soldering Iron Stove
Message-ID: <19e.2d8adfb4.2f2264a8@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/21/2005 8:47:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, jlb94 at juno.com 
writes:

<< Soldering Iron Stove you have. Did you ever get the supply tube open.? >>

Joe,

That iron heater was mine, see photo at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/iron%20heater.jpg

The tube in question goes from the valve thru the tank and bends 90 deg 
towards the bottom of the tank.  I have not got it open, but soaking and not 
working on it much.  The tank was at least 1/4 full of dried junk which I have 
gotten out by rolling rocks in it. I assume the tube is in that condition too.  It 
is a neat soldering iron heater, the likes of which I have not seen before.  

I need to get back on this project!  

Thanks for asking,


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jan 21 06:36:06 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:36:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] patent search
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050120225818.02438418@mail.alltel.net>
References: <c4.1f39a2e9.2f210472@aol.com>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0501201157020.77857@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050120225818.02438418@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <41F11356.4090707@scrtc.com>

Dave,

    You sound like an old iron friend of mine who is a plumber.  He told 
me he got a call for a service run to a Drs. house.  It was a very minor 
problem and took about 15 minutes to fix.  The Dr. asked him how much he 
owed and my friend said "the service call base rate is $35".  The Dr. 
seemed outraged and said "why you were here for only 15 minutes, that's 
$140 and hour, thats twice what I make as a physician!".  My friend 
looked him squarely in the eye and said "yeah, thats about what I made 
when I was a physician too".  The doc paid up.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>> Easy peasy.  Do we have a volunteer?
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>
>
> Before I went on this welfare program that some call retirement, I was 
> making somewhere around $225.00/$275.00 per hour. I'm older and slower 
> now however, so I'll do the research for $175.00 per hour for anyone 
> who wants it done.
>         Dave
> PS, Printouts will be an additional $6.00 per page.
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From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Fri Jan 21 06:54:18 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:54:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] patent search
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20050120203854.03a00ec0@MAIL1.THEBOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <20050121145418.36503.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com>



Arnie

Try taking a field trip to the Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh... 
http://www.clpgh.org/locations/reference/ptdl/

There are 2 sites here in IL, but I haven't ventured into Chicago or down
to Springfield to do some looking....I have heard that it is much faster
to look for old patents that way than hunting by guessing on the web.

The patent on Rick Monk's Kent Cement Mixer was found this way by another
person (I won't go into that story here).

Steve

--- Frank DeWitt <Frank at lbpinc.com> wrote:

It has been a long long time since I did a patent search but as I recall

You could search by multiple inputs  such as subject category  (a number) 
assignee,  and range of dates.  This what not on the Internet.  I did it
at one of the  Libraries that house patent info.  I used the one in
Buffalo NY.  The librarians were very helpful in getting me started. I 
don't recall if the old stuff was computerized at that time.  This site 
might help you.
Patent and Trademark Depository Library Program 
(PTDLP)  http://www.uspto.gov/go/ptdl/

I haven't tried it since.  In the other patents I have, I had the luxury
of some one else paying for the search (and being the assignee).

Frank

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

It is time consuming finding patents with just the date especially with a
slow country connection, but I have done it and have had others help doing
it too.  Go to patent office:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/srchnum.htm



From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jan 21 08:35:30 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:35:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Gas Fired Soldering Iron Stove
Message-ID: <20050121.114224.556.22.jlb94@juno.com>

I need to get back on this project!  
 
Thanks for asking,
=        =        =        =        =        =        =
Okay Tom - - - Sorry - I thought that was Curt - - - 
Very nice unit - I'd love to have one.
In any case - I know that Blow Torches have a wick in them even though
they work on pressure.  The 2 I have have a wire supporting the wick.

Is it possible there might be a wick in this tube ???
You might be dealing with something other than "dried gunk".
Just a thought.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jan 21 08:20:07 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:20:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
Message-ID: <20050121.114224.556.19.jlb94@juno.com>

<< I might have to start thinking about retiring from work as I don't
have
time for working now with all the projects I have. >>

Don't think about it, George - - - JUST DO IT !!!

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jan 21 08:03:39 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:03:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Not Quite OT: Gray Motor (And Hammond Organ) Trivia
Message-ID: <20050121.114224.556.15.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi John,

You bring back memories -  Used to have an "Organ Trio" band.(Bobby
Kasper Trio)
The organist had a C3 (Church Model) that we hauled around and carried up
steps and over bars, etc. Heavy bugger.

About Leslie speakers - I was probably one of the first to ever use a
Leslie spinning horn on top of my guitar amp. Really a neat sound.  Three
Dog Night used it on "Just an old fashioned love song".


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
  


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jan 21 08:04:38 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:04:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] patent search
Message-ID: <20050121.114224.556.16.jlb94@juno.com>

Cheap at "half the price" ?
LOL

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jan 21 08:15:36 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:15:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
Message-ID: <20050121.114224.556.17.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Pete,

I could be wrong but, I believe once you get most of the oxidation out
and start running fresh fuel through the bowl, there should be no
problem.

The bowl probably oxidized from air and moisture and stale gas.
I would think that new gasoline will neutralize the corrosion.

As with anything else - If it's not being used - chances are it will gum
up in some way.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jan 21 08:49:34 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:49:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] patent search
In-Reply-To: <20050121145418.36503.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050121145418.36503.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41F1329E.9020408@scrtc.com>

Steve,
I have a friend who does patent searches on engines, tractors and other 
machinery.  He always utilzes the Louisville Public Library.  Luckily, 
I've always given him the request I need and he usually gets me the info 
in a rather short turnaround. 

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky


>Arnie
>
>Try taking a field trip to the Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh... 
>http://www.clpgh.org/locations/reference/ptdl/
>
>There are 2 sites here in IL, but I haven't ventured into Chicago or down
>to Springfield to do some looking....I have heard that it is much faster
>to look for old patents that way than hunting by guessing on the web.
>
>The patent on Rick Monk's Kent Cement Mixer was found this way by another
>person (I won't go into that story here).
>
>Steve
>
>--- Frank DeWitt <Frank at lbpinc.com> wrote:
>
>It has been a long long time since I did a patent search but as I recall
>
>You could search by multiple inputs  such as subject category  (a number) 
>assignee,  and range of dates.  This what not on the Internet.  I did it
>at one of the  Libraries that house patent info.  I used the one in
>Buffalo NY.  The librarians were very helpful in getting me started. I 
>don't recall if the old stuff was computerized at that time.  This site 
>might help you.
>Patent and Trademark Depository Library Program 
>(PTDLP)  http://www.uspto.gov/go/ptdl/
>
>I haven't tried it since.  In the other patents I have, I had the luxury
>of some one else paying for the search (and being the assignee).
>
>Frank
>
>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>
>It is time consuming finding patents with just the date especially with a
>slow country connection, but I have done it and have had others help doing
>it too.  Go to patent office:
>
>http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/srchnum.htm
>
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>
>  
>




From galoway4 at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 20 05:11:28 2005
From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:11:28 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
References: <fc.af93923.2f2071bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005501c4fef1$8f623d10$3fac9b18@jake>

NO
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 8:30 PM
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects


> Hi,
> I find that I am having trouble establishing priorities on projects  that 
> I
> get started and then for some reason before finishing the project I get
> started on another one.
> As an example, I started to get my Johnson reassembled.  Then  I found 
> that I
> needed to get the magneto remagnized.  The person does my  magneto work 
> has
> been sick with the flu and pneumonia and will not be able to  get the work 
> done
> until next month.  Thus, the Johnson project is on  hold.
> Next example is, I have started to get the IHC LB running.  In  trying to 
> get
> it running right, I had to grind the valves.  My neighbor has  a seat
> grinder.  However, he couldn't find the correct pilot.  After a  couple of 
> phone
> calls, I was able to borrow one.  I was able to get head  reworked and 
> assembled
> to the engine.  Of course, I had to make some new  oiling felts for the 
> valve
> stems.  To do this,  I make some  punches cut the felts to the correct
> diameter.
> The person from whom I borrowed the pilot called me yesterday  and told me 
> to
> come and pick up a Black and Decker valve grinder that he didn't  need. 
> Now,
> I am in the process of building a roll away table for this new  tool 
> addition.
> Am I the only one who has these types of interference or this to be 
> expected
> when working with old iron.
>
>
> Francis Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jan 21 12:27:16 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:27:16 EST
Subject: [SEL] Gas Fired Soldering Iron Stove
Message-ID: <157.489cdc43.2f22bfa4@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/21/2005 2:56:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlb94 at juno.com 
writes:

<< Is it possible there might be a wick in this tube ??? >>

I would not think so as there would be no way to put it in or to get it out.  
I have taken everything apart including the cut off valve.  There is no 
access to the inside of the tank except thru the pump  and gas fill holes which are 
not very large.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Jan 21 13:03:33 2005
From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:03:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
Message-ID: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE1012976D3@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>


> << I might have to start thinking about retiring from work as 
> I don't have time for working now with all the projects I have. >>
> 
> Don't think about it, George - - - JUST DO IT !!!
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 


Great idea Joe!  However, I'm not able to support myself in the manner
I'm accustom to without a paycheck every two weeks.  Have been toying
with the idea of cutting back on the amount I work.  Was thinking that
next year I might try 80% time.

George



From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jan 21 13:20:07 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:20:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules & Economy piston pattern project comes together.
Message-ID: <41F17207.4010408@imc-group.com>

Some time ago we discussed making pistons for engines. This link is a 
summary of one of several piston and other casting projects I'm working 
on for a couple of my engines at the moment. Missy's horse and a half 
Herc is a tad leaky and by the end of a show has slung way too much oil 
around. I prefer to bore an engine just a little bit and make an 
over-sized piston to match the bore.
If anyone is interested in one of these pistons for your project engine 
please contact me. I am getting ready to have another batch cast.
These are for the 1&1/2 thru 2HP engines with the 3 1/4" bore.
Link:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/SmallHercPiston/Thumbnails.html
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
(704) 853-2992
curt at imc-group.com


From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jan 21 13:42:41 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:42:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Rick Rolands and foundry capabilities.
Message-ID: <41F17751.80505@imc-group.com>

Hey all,
A while back Rick Rowlands announced to us that he was joining a foundry 
for employment and that he had an interest in providing quality castings 
for the antique gas engine and tractor hobbies. I happened to be working 
on several Stickney patterns at the time and entered into discussions 
with Rick about casting these parts.
We have a local foundry in Gastonia that frankly sucks. If you need a 
cart part or something crude they are great. But if you are looking for 
a defect free casting free of voids and pin holes forget about it. So, 
when Rick mentioned his career move I immediately got in touch with him.
He has made a couple of runs of parts for me now, and I gotta tell you 
the quality is second to none!!!
I have machined some of these parts significantly and have found no 
folds, tears, inclusions, foreign material, or anything wrong. Cores 
have been accurately set in core prints and cores have stayed put during 
the pour. A+ there Rick!
So folks we've got a good guy in the hobby and a good guy in the foundry 
business, what more could we ask for!  We just need to keep him there! 
That means sending him lots of business. So if you've got a part you 
need cast, fire up the wood shop and make some patterns. If you don't 
want to make a pattern maybe Rick can do them loose with a follow board.
I just wanted to take a moment to tell everyone what a great service 
Rick is doing for the hobby by being willing to cast small runs of parts 
for our old engines and tractors. The fact that they are excellent, high 
quality castings is simply icing on the cake. Thank you Rick.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC



From brock at netspeed.com.au  Fri Jan 21 14:27:49 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:27:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
References: <3khj1h$gl8bfj@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <000f01c50008$71dfadf0$5f11fea9@merlin>

a mate of mine rebuids carbys for a liveing he told me liquid mag wheel 
cleaner will remove
the white corrosion in the bowl
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] carburetor corrosion


>
>>
>> I have just taken to pieces a down draught carby from a little Cooper [ 
>> iron
>> horse]. The float bowl chamber was full of a white oxide presumably
>> corrosion from the  Aluminium.When i say full ,it was just about bursting
>> out. I have given it a very light sand blast which has removed most of 
>> the
>> white oxide .
>> Question ..........will it grow again and is there any other way of 
>> removing
>> it and neutralising the corrosion?
> Peter Ogborne
>> Little Grove ,Albany
>
> Peter, I would try to seal it with one of the thin epoxy fuel tank 
> sealers. The corrosion will always be a problem. You'll have to be careful 
> not to plug any passages,trace them out and blast with air after coating.
> J.B. Castagnos
>
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From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Fri Jan 21 15:00:28 2005
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:00:28 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Hammonds
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7035A317C@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>

Wish I had known there was such interest. I gave away a late '40's
Hammond, model unknown/of no interest to me, when we cleaned out Mum's
house. It didn't work, not right anyway, and could find no one willing
to pay for it. I gave it to the guy hauling off all the stuff. All I
know about it is it near caused a divorce when dad came home with it.
Mum seemed to think we had other priorities. Dad kept it working until
his death in 1976. No idea why Mum didn't shuck it off long ago.

Bruce Younger
Lenexa, Kansas USA
mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com
 

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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 21 15:43:48 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:43:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Hammonds
References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7035A317C@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>
Message-ID: <002501c50013$0e529940$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>

> Wish I had known there was such interest. I gave away a late '40's
> Hammond, model unknown/of no interest >>

Got any old   Martins  with rusty strings , collecting dust up there ? 


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Fri Jan 21 16:15:12 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:15:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Not Quite OT: Gray Motor (And Hammond Organ) Trivia
In-Reply-To: <20050121.114224.556.15.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20050121.114224.556.15.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <AF34AB93-6C0A-11D9-997B-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> You bring back memories -  Used to have an "Organ Trio" band.(Bobby
> Kasper Trio)
> The organist had a C3 (Church Model) that we hauled around and carried 
> up
> steps and over bars, etc. Heavy bugger.

Yeah, a C3's a pretty big lump to lug around. They've been more favored 
by English players than B3s, I think just because there were more of 
them over there.

> About Leslie speakers - I was probably one of the first to ever use a
> Leslie spinning horn on top of my guitar amp. Really a neat sound.  
> Three
> Dog Night used it on "Just an old fashioned love song".

Leslies are a big part of the classic Hammond sound, and something you 
hear over and over in classic rock music is a steady high note held on 
a Hammond while the Leslie's cranked up from low speed to high speed.

Today I've been listening to "The Best of Deep Purple," and their 
organist Jon Lord made mighty good use of his B3. Back in the '70s I 
was a huge fan of Emerson, Lake and Palmer's music. Keith Emerson used 
the Hammonds a lot as well as synthesizers. He did some pretty 
unspeakable things to a little L-100 spinet in concert. It kept right 
on playing, though. His roadies reinforced the case with angle iron and 
put retainers on the tubes so they wouldn't bounce out when he pulled 
it over on himself and stabbed it with knives, kicked it off, sometimes 
dropped it off the stage...

Today I've also managed to get the tone generator of that M3 lubricated 
and got the drive clutch of the start motor unstuck so it'll start 
itself. Had to spin the shaft by hand at first. All the playing stuff 
works, but the volume is very low. Now we're talking tube amp issues, 
and I'm confident that's something I can sort out and fix. Sort of like 
that first start on an old engine, this is the first time this thing's 
spoken in several years.
:-)

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Fri Jan 21 16:38:49 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:38:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
References: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin><002b01c4ff49$5b5662a0$c684dccb@oemcomputer>
	<00af01c4ff93$6563c810$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <000b01c5001a$be426860$f584dccb@oemcomputer>

Are they palletised so the Towmotor can lift them in one go or do YOU!!!!
have to lift them of one at a time.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:29
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine


> yeah i just finihsed loading about 50 maytags & moffit virtues that i,ll
> dump on you
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>
>
> > You know my feelings on this engine .I have left a space where it will
fit
> > in my already crowded shed.We can lift it of with the Towmotor when you
> > get
> > here on Friday week.
> > EDD PAYNE
> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> > 0263742387
> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:52
> > Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > G,day All
> >
> > i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy working on
> > my
> > white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so
> > i have updated some pics on my webshots page
> > Brock Summerfield
> > ACT Australia
> > brock at netspeed.com.au
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
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From old_iron at msn.com  Fri Jan 21 18:52:47 2005
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:52:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Worst day of the year??/Cabin Fever
In-Reply-To: <41F1329E.9020408@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY4-F13125E4788BE9C317E75F8E7830@phx.gbl>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6847012/?GT1=6065

If you think you are the only one with Cabin fever just go to this link 
about this coming monday!!

Peg Pfeiffer
Very Snowy and depressing Park Ridge IL


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From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jan 21 20:10:53 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:10:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Worst day of the year??/Cabin Fever
In-Reply-To: <BAY4-F13125E4788BE9C317E75F8E7830@phx.gbl>
References: <41F1329E.9020408@scrtc.com>
	<BAY4-F13125E4788BE9C317E75F8E7830@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050121225305.025259c8@mail.alltel.net>

At 09:52 PM 1/21/2005, you wrote:
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6847012/?GT1=6065
>If you think you are the only one with Cabin fever just go to this link 
>about this coming monday!!
>Peg Pfeiffer
>Very Snowy and depressing Park Ridge IL

Hi Peg,
         Dr. Cliff Arnall is an IDIOT! (Some of the stupidest people I know 
have PhD's--some of the smartest people I know don't even know what a PhD is!)
         The Steelers play on Jan. 23rd and then it's on to the Super Bowl! 
Additionally, we are to get 12 plus inches of snow tomorrow (the 22nd) and 
the plow is already on my truck. (I get $1.50 per minute when the 
plow/truck is operating.) I'll likely plow for 6-8 hours tomorrow! Best 
part is that I'll get paid on Monday the 24th! Further the Zolfo show (in 
FL) is only only 40 days away--I'll leave PA for that show in 38 days!
         Hell Peg, show season is almost here--is there anything else for 
which one could ask?
                 Dave
PS, Live is good!




From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jan 21 20:32:13 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:32:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules & Economy piston pattern project comes together.
In-Reply-To: <41F17207.4010408@imc-group.com>
References: <41F17207.4010408@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050121233141.02533700@mail.alltel.net>

At 04:20 PM 1/21/2005, you wrote:
>Some time ago we discussed making pistons for engines. This link is a 
>summary of one of several piston and other casting projects I'm working on 
>for a couple of my engines at the moment. Missy's horse and a half Herc is 
>a tad leaky and by the end of a show has slung way too much oil around. I 
>prefer to bore an engine just a little bit and make an over-sized piston 
>to match the bore.
>If anyone is interested in one of these pistons for your project engine 
>please contact me. I am getting ready to have another batch cast.
>These are for the 1&1/2 thru 2HP engines with the 3 1/4" bore.
>Link:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/SmallHercPiston/Thumbnails.html
>Curt Holland

Very nice Curt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
         Dave 



From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jan 21 20:41:58 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:41:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
Message-ID: <20050121.235111.652.5.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi George,

I worried about getting by on less than I made working.

Turns out I can live quite comfortable on much less.

I used to drive a lot to different construction sites - etc.
That ate up a lot of $$$$
Turns out I drive less than 4000 miles a year now.

And - Not going to a lot of places to spend a lot of  $$$ has become
normal.

Me & Her Majesty go out every Friday for dinner - Usually a familiy
restuarant or a Wendy's so that doesn't take too much either.

It's easy to adjust.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
\/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jan 21 20:25:57 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:25:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Prioritizing Your Projects
Message-ID: <20050121.235111.652.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Am I the only one who has these types of interference or this to be 
> expected
> when working with old iron.
=        =        =        =        =        =        =        =        =
If it weren't for all the "started" projects taking up the work bench and
floor space,
I might have room to start a project.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 


From weolson at wiktel.com  Fri Jan 21 21:04:03 2005
From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:04:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Worst day of the year??/Cabin Fever
References: <BAY4-F13125E4788BE9C317E75F8E7830@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41F1DEC3.9020609@wiktel.com>

   We just got through with nearly 2 weeks of -20 degrees below Zero 
Farenheit and lower, with -36 on Sunday morning and -46 on Monday 
morning  with about 20 inches of wonderful snow on the ground and about 
another 3 inches today, with some good winds to blow it around tonight. 
 You couldn't ask for anything much better than that up here near the 
south shore of Lake of the Woods in far, far north central Minnesota, 
about 6 miles south of the Canadian border.  Too bad you can't be here 
to enjoy.
   We  do have a nice little "Lake of the Woods Steam and Gas Engine 
Show "  up here the first weekend of August each year, it should warm up 
by then.
    William Olson, Roosevelt, MN

William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote:

> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6847012/?GT1=6065
>
> If you think you are the only one with Cabin fever just go to this 
> link about this coming monday!!
>
> Peg Pfeiffer
> Very Snowy and depressing Park Ridge IL
>
>
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 21 17:16:33 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:16:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Not Quite OT: Gray Motor (And Hammond Organ) Trivia
References: <20050121.114224.556.15.jlb94@juno.com>
	<AF34AB93-6C0A-11D9-997B-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <000001c50021$5437f000$7092f504@x8h7l9>

I have the Epworth Pump Organ Model 602 my great grand Dad bought in 1893.
My Dad restored it. It looks and works great. It was made by the Williams
Organ Co, Chicago.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Not Quite OT: Gray Motor (And Hammond Organ) Trivia


> > You bring back memories -  Used to have an "Organ Trio" band.(Bobby
> > Kasper Trio)
> > The organist had a C3 (Church Model) that we hauled around and carried
> > up
> > steps and over bars, etc. Heavy bugger.
>




From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 21 07:39:37 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:39:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
References: <002101c4ff46$f8df64c0$03ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <002101c4ffcf$6a9cf180$489ef504@x8h7l9>

Peter,
Are you sure the white powder is not lead oxide form the old leaded
gasoline.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion


> I have just taken to pieces a down draught carby from a little Cooper [
iron
> horse]. The float bowl chamber was full of a white oxide presumably
> corrosion from the  Aluminium.When i say full ,it was just about bursting
> out. I have given it a very light sand blast which has removed most of the
> white oxide .
> Question ..........will it grow again and is there any other way of
removing
> it and neutralising the corrosion?
>
>
>
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
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From brock at netspeed.com.au  Fri Jan 21 22:44:25 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:44:25 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
References: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin><002b01c4ff49$5b5662a0$c684dccb@oemcomputer><00af01c4ff93$6563c810$5f11fea9@merlin>
	<000b01c5001a$be426860$f584dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000601c5004d$d1bacfd0$5f11fea9@merlin>

i got a big cage pallet  just dumpem on top of each other
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine


> Are they palletised so the Towmotor can lift them in one go or do YOU!!!!
> have to lift them of one at a time.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:29
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>
>
>> yeah i just finihsed loading about 50 maytags & moffit virtues that i,ll
>> dump on you
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>>
>>
>> > You know my feelings on this engine .I have left a space where it will
> fit
>> > in my already crowded shed.We can lift it of with the Towmotor when you
>> > get
>> > here on Friday week.
>> > EDD PAYNE
>> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>> > 0263742387
>> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
>> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:52
>> > Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > G,day All
>> >
>> > i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy working 
>> > on
>> > my
>> > white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so
>> > i have updated some pics on my webshots page
>> > Brock Summerfield
>> > ACT Australia
>> > brock at netspeed.com.au
>> > http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>> >
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>> >
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From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Sat Jan 22 00:09:11 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:09:11 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
References: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin><002b01c4ff49$5b5662a0$c684dccb@oemcomputer><00af01c4ff93$6563c810$5f11fea9@merlin><000b01c5001a$be426860$f584dccb@oemcomputer>
	<000601c5004d$d1bacfd0$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <004101c50059$a80c60c0$523354d2@cam>

Wouldn't it better if you went straight to the scrap metal yard with it.
Cam
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine


> i got a big cage pallet  just dumpem on top of each other
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>
>
> > Are they palletised so the Towmotor can lift them in one go or do
YOU!!!!
> > have to lift them of one at a time.
> > EDD PAYNE
> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> > 0263742387
> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:29
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
> >
> >
> >> yeah i just finihsed loading about 50 maytags & moffit virtues that
i,ll
> >> dump on you
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:39 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
> >>
> >>
> >> > You know my feelings on this engine .I have left a space where it
will
> > fit
> >> > in my already crowded shed.We can lift it of with the Towmotor when
you
> >> > get
> >> > here on Friday week.
> >> > EDD PAYNE
> >> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> >> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> >> > 0263742387
> >> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> >> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:52
> >> > Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > G,day All
> >> >
> >> > i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy working
> >> > on
> >> > my
> >> > white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so
> >> > i have updated some pics on my webshots page
> >> > Brock Summerfield
> >> > ACT Australia
> >> > brock at netspeed.com.au
> >> > http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > SEL mailing list
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> >> >
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> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
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From brock at netspeed.com.au  Sat Jan 22 01:19:44 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:19:44 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
References: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin><002b01c4ff49$5b5662a0$c684dccb@oemcomputer><00af01c4ff93$6563c810$5f11fea9@merlin><000b01c5001a$be426860$f584dccb@oemcomputer><000601c5004d$d1bacfd0$5f11fea9@merlin>
	<004101c50059$a80c60c0$523354d2@cam>
Message-ID: <000a01c50063$84554430$5f11fea9@merlin>

i dont think any self respecting scrapy  would take maytags or moffit 
virtues
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine


> Wouldn't it better if you went straight to the scrap metal yard with it.
> Cam
> Cam and Edwina Grundy
> Kariong
> Gosford   NSW
> Australia
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 5:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>
>
>> i got a big cage pallet  just dumpem on top of each other
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>>
>>
>> > Are they palletised so the Towmotor can lift them in one go or do
> YOU!!!!
>> > have to lift them of one at a time.
>> > EDD PAYNE
>> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>> > 0263742387
>> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:29
>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>> >
>> >
>> >> yeah i just finihsed loading about 50 maytags & moffit virtues that
> i,ll
>> >> dump on you
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
>> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:39 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > You know my feelings on this engine .I have left a space where it
> will
>> > fit
>> >> > in my already crowded shed.We can lift it of with the Towmotor when
> you
>> >> > get
>> >> > here on Friday week.
>> >> > EDD PAYNE
>> >> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>> >> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>> >> > 0263742387
>> >> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
>> >> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:52
>> >> > Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > G,day All
>> >> >
>> >> > i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy 
>> >> > working
>> >> > on
>> >> > my
>> >> > white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so
>> >> > i have updated some pics on my webshots page
>> >> > Brock Summerfield
>> >> > ACT Australia
>> >> > brock at netspeed.com.au
>> >> > http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > SEL mailing list
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>> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >> >
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>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
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From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 20 15:36:04 2005
From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:36:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] White gasoline engine
In-Reply-To: <001101c4fecb$a6c9dd80$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <BAY2-F277267D4520A6F05DB1086A3810@phx.gbl>

Hi Brock,
          Congratulations mate . A beautiful engine and a great restoration 
job.

            PS. If you ever get sick of it just send her down south.
Regards,
Lyndsay .




>From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,      
>   "oldengine .org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Subject: [SEL] White gasoline engine Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:40:07 +1100
>
>G,day All
>
>i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy working on my 
>white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so
>i have updated some pics on my webshots page
>Brock Summerfield
>ACT Australia
>brock at netspeed.com.au
>http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sat Jan 22 03:30:24 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:30:24 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
References: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin><002b01c4ff49$5b5662a0$c684dccb@oemcomputer><00af01c4ff93$6563c810$5f11fea9@merlin><000b01c5001a$be426860$f584dccb@oemcomputer>
	<000601c5004d$d1bacfd0$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <001d01c50075$c44113a0$f184dccb@oemcomputer>

OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 5:44
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine


> i got a big cage pallet  just dumpem on top of each other
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>
>
> > Are they palletised so the Towmotor can lift them in one go or do
YOU!!!!
> > have to lift them of one at a time.
> > EDD PAYNE
> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> > 0263742387
> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:29
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
> >
> >
> >> yeah i just finihsed loading about 50 maytags & moffit virtues that
i,ll
> >> dump on you
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:39 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
> >>
> >>
> >> > You know my feelings on this engine .I have left a space where it
will
> > fit
> >> > in my already crowded shed.We can lift it of with the Towmotor when
you
> >> > get
> >> > here on Friday week.
> >> > EDD PAYNE
> >> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> >> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> >> > 0263742387
> >> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> >> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:52
> >> > Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > G,day All
> >> >
> >> > i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy working
> >> > on
> >> > my
> >> > white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so
> >> > i have updated some pics on my webshots page
> >> > Brock Summerfield
> >> > ACT Australia
> >> > brock at netspeed.com.au
> >> > http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > SEL mailing list
> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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> >> >
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> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
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From mmco at cox-internet.com  Sat Jan 22 04:36:39 2005
From: mmco at cox-internet.com (Bo Hinch)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 06:36:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Worst day of the year??/Cabin Fever
References: <BAY4-F13125E4788BE9C317E75F8E7830@phx.gbl>
	<41F1DEC3.9020609@wiktel.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c5007f$0581b3c0$59dae244@machineryeqw95>

Am happy to mow grass in January rather than shovel snow any month of the 
year . I like cold weather but only if it doesn`t get colder than about 35 
or 40 degrees .

Bo in south louisiana ( 20 miles north of the gulf of mexico )


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Olson" <weolson at wiktel.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Worst day of the year??/Cabin Fever


>
>   We just got through with nearly 2 weeks of -20 degrees below Zero 
> Farenheit and lower, with -36 on Sunday morning and -46 on Monday morning 
> with about 20 inches of wonderful snow on the ground and about another 3 
> inches today, with some good winds to blow it around tonight. You couldn't 
> ask for anything much better than that up here near the south shore of 
> Lake of the Woods in far, far north central Minnesota, about 6 miles south 
> of the Canadian border.  Too bad you can't be here to enjoy.
>   We  do have a nice little "Lake of the Woods Steam and Gas Engine Show " 
> up here the first weekend of August each year, it should warm up by then.
>    William Olson, Roosevelt, MN
>
> William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote:
>
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6847012/?GT1=6065
>>
>> If you think you are the only one with Cabin fever just go to this link 
>> about this coming monday!!
>>
>> Peg Pfeiffer
>> Very Snowy and depressing Park Ridge IL
>>
>>
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Jan 22 07:38:21 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:38:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Worst day of the year??/Cabin Fever
Message-ID: <20050122.104603.1116.1.jlb94@juno.com>

I like Cold - Wind - Rain - Snow & Ice - - - - - 

Somewhere other than where I am. !!!

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 22 08:12:32 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:12:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
In-Reply-To: <000a01c50063$84554430$5f11fea9@merlin>
References: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin><002b01c4ff49$5b5662a0$c684dccb@oemcomputer><00af01c4ff93$6563c810$5f11fea9@merlin><000b01c5001a$be426860$f584dccb@oemcomputer><000601c5004d$d1bacfd0$5f11fea9@merlin>
	<004101c50059$a80c60c0$523354d2@cam>
	<000a01c50063$84554430$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <1106410352.41f27b70ddd2a@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Brock,

No worries on the Maytags mate, once the crusher gets 'em all aluminum looks the
same.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Brock Summerfield <brock at netspeed.com.au>:

> i dont think any self respecting scrapy  would take maytags or moffit 
> virtues



From rexhinz at chorus.net  Sat Jan 22 09:28:13 2005
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:28:13 -0600
Subject: [SEL] chatity  auction- last chance leather cutter
Message-ID: <000f01c500a7$c2a8d4b0$4a86a5d8@mycomputer>

Hey Guys ;

   The leather cutter auction is getting close to the end and you engine
people need one , when I first got it I thought it was a tin cutter and I
used it to cut some 22 gauge tin and it cut it likr butter , you can cut
curves and patterns , Then I cleaned off the writing and found it is a
leather cutter and used it to cut some scap 1/4" I had laying around and it
works good for that also , It needs a crank handle and I think any of you
could weld a piece of pipe to a lenght of flat iorn ,add a handle and you
have it , I just used a vice grip ,  so go ahead bid  its for charity

Rex Hinz




From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Jan 22 10:18:16 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:18:16 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT Worst day of the year??/Cabin Fever
Message-ID: <85.1fa50128.2f23f2e8@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/21/2005 11:23:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rotigel at alltel.net writes:

<< The Steelers play on Jan. 23rd and then it's on to the Super Bowl!  >>

Sunday afternoon during football season and especially Super Bowl afternoon 
is a great time to visit the mall.  Lots of lonely women there!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From brock at netspeed.com.au  Sat Jan 22 16:05:21 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:05:21 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
References: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin><002b01c4ff49$5b5662a0$c684dccb@oemcomputer><00af01c4ff93$6563c810$5f11fea9@merlin><000b01c5001a$be426860$f584dccb@oemcomputer><000601c5004d$d1bacfd0$5f11fea9@merlin><004101c50059$a80c60c0$523354d2@cam><000a01c50063$84554430$5f11fea9@merlin>
	<1106410352.41f27b70ddd2a@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c500df$3cc779e0$5f11fea9@merlin>

your right mate
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:12 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine


> G'day Brock,
>
> No worries on the Maytags mate, once the crusher gets 'em all aluminum 
> looks the
> same.  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Quoting Brock Summerfield <brock at netspeed.com.au>:
>
>> i dont think any self respecting scrapy  would take maytags or moffit
>> virtues
>
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From page at velocitynet.com.au  Sat Jan 22 20:26:32 2005
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:26:32 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
References: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin><002b01c4ff49$5b5662a0$c684dccb@oemcomputer><00af01c4ff93$6563c810$5f11fea9@merlin><000b01c5001a$be426860$f584dccb@oemcomputer><000601c5004d$d1bacfd0$5f11fea9@merlin><004101c50059$a80c60c0$523354d2@cam>
	<000a01c50063$84554430$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <000d01c50103$b82cf190$8a63fea9@sweeper>

Hey Brock

I would take the Moffits.

Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine


> i dont think any self respecting scrapy  would take maytags or moffit
> virtues
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 7:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>
>
> > Wouldn't it better if you went straight to the scrap metal yard with it.
> > Cam
> > Cam and Edwina Grundy
> > Kariong
> > Gosford   NSW
> > Australia
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 5:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
> >
> >
> >> i got a big cage pallet  just dumpem on top of each other
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:38 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
> >>
> >>
> >> > Are they palletised so the Towmotor can lift them in one go or do
> > YOU!!!!
> >> > have to lift them of one at a time.
> >> > EDD PAYNE
> >> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> >> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> >> > 0263742387
> >> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:29
> >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> yeah i just finihsed loading about 50 maytags & moffit virtues that
> > i,ll
> >> >> dump on you
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
> >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:39 AM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > You know my feelings on this engine .I have left a space where it
> > will
> >> > fit
> >> >> > in my already crowded shed.We can lift it of with the Towmotor
when
> > you
> >> >> > get
> >> >> > here on Friday week.
> >> >> > EDD PAYNE
> >> >> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> >> >> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> >> >> > 0263742387
> >> >> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> >> >> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:52
> >> >> > Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > G,day All
> >> >> >
> >> >> > i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy
> >> >> > working
> >> >> > on
> >> >> > my
> >> >> > white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so
> >> >> > i have updated some pics on my webshots page
> >> >> > Brock Summerfield
> >> >> > ACT Australia
> >> >> > brock at netspeed.com.au
> >> >> > http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
> >> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> >> > SEL mailing list
> >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >> >> >
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> >> >> > SEL mailing list
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> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
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From brock at netspeed.com.au  Sat Jan 22 21:16:16 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:16:16 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
References: <006901c4fed5$d05cfa60$5f11fea9@merlin><002b01c4ff49$5b5662a0$c684dccb@oemcomputer><00af01c4ff93$6563c810$5f11fea9@merlin><000b01c5001a$be426860$f584dccb@oemcomputer><000601c5004d$d1bacfd0$5f11fea9@merlin><004101c50059$a80c60c0$523354d2@cam><000a01c50063$84554430$5f11fea9@merlin>
	<000d01c50103$b82cf190$8a63fea9@sweeper>
Message-ID: <001301c5010a$ac0dbf50$5f11fea9@merlin>

Edds got about 5000 moffits of in the parts shed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Page" <page at velocitynet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine


> Hey Brock
>
> I would take the Moffits.
>
> Ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>
>
>> i dont think any self respecting scrapy  would take maytags or moffit
>> virtues
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 7:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>>
>>
>> > Wouldn't it better if you went straight to the scrap metal yard with 
>> > it.
>> > Cam
>> > Cam and Edwina Grundy
>> > Kariong
>> > Gosford   NSW
>> > Australia
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 5:44 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>> >
>> >
>> >> i got a big cage pallet  just dumpem on top of each other
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
>> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:38 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Are they palletised so the Towmotor can lift them in one go or do
>> > YOU!!!!
>> >> > have to lift them of one at a time.
>> >> > EDD PAYNE
>> >> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>> >> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>> >> > 0263742387
>> >> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
>> >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
>> >> > <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:29
>> >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> yeah i just finihsed loading about 50 maytags & moffit virtues that
>> > i,ll
>> >> >> dump on you
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
>> >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >> >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:39 AM
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > You know my feelings on this engine .I have left a space where it
>> > will
>> >> > fit
>> >> >> > in my already crowded shed.We can lift it of with the Towmotor
> when
>> > you
>> >> >> > get
>> >> >> > here on Friday week.
>> >> >> > EDD PAYNE
>> >> >> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>> >> >> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>> >> >> > 0263742387
>> >> >> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> > From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
>> >> >> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:52
>> >> >> > Subject: [SEL] Fw: White gasoline engine
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > G,day All
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > i,ve been off line for a few weeks i have also been very busy
>> >> >> > working
>> >> >> > on
>> >> >> > my
>> >> >> > white gasoline that was made about 1900 or so
>> >> >> > i have updated some pics on my webshots page
>> >> >> > Brock Summerfield
>> >> >> > ACT Australia
>> >> >> > brock at netspeed.com.au
>> >> >> > http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
>> >> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> >> > SEL mailing list
>> >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> >> > SEL mailing list
>> >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> >
>> >>
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jan 23 02:45:32 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 05:45:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Lister Terminology Confusion
In-Reply-To: <i0i6v093sk7pjsdmt4s81nkq45hs855amu@4ax.com>
References: <41E87975.90006@optusnet.com.au>
	<81lhu0t1e7md72l2r8mr3004208dhg9s85@4ax.com>
	<33nhu0hu22gninpqb8do9sbjll530en44g@4ax.com>
	<41E8F30A.9070201@optusnet.com.au>
	<vqshu0h9ungqhag8dck26uji9o1kj0f8u7@4ax.com>
	<41E91C30.2030404@optusnet.com.au>
	<i0i6v093sk7pjsdmt4s81nkq45hs855amu@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <E8046C74-6D2B-11D9-8485-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Just be aware that "CS" is a modern Lister collector's term for the old 
Cold Starting Diesels like the 3/1, 5/1, etc. It's unofficial, and 
unfortunately ambiguous. What Lister-Petter calls a "CS" model is a big 
4 or 6 cylinder inline Diesel. (I think Peter Forbes once told me that 
English Ford actually built them.) Lister only used the numerical 
designations for what we've somehow grown used to calling "CS" engines. 
I made the mistake of ordering a factory shop manual for a Lister CS 
several years ago, which took quite a bit of trouble to get and ended 
up costing around $100. If anybody has one of those CS engines and 
needs the book, I've got it.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Jan 23 02:55:19 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:55:19 +0800
Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
References: <002101c4ff46$f8df64c0$03ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
	<002101c4ffcf$6a9cf180$489ef504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <001301c5013a$44362fe0$72ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>

Definitely corrosion judging by the pitted surface. Thanks for comments ,I 
like the sound of the mag wheel cleaner Brock ,I wonder what the ingredients 
are ?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] carburetor corrosion


> Peter,
> Are you sure the white powder is not lead oxide form the old leaded
> gasoline.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:22 PM
> Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
>
>
>> I have just taken to pieces a down draught carby from a little Cooper [
> iron
>> horse]. The float bowl chamber was full of a white oxide presumably
>> corrosion from the  Aluminium.When i say full ,it was just about bursting
>> out. I have given it a very light sand blast which has removed most of 
>> the
>> white oxide .
>> Question ..........will it grow again and is there any other way of
> removing
>> it and neutralising the corrosion?
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter Ogborne
>> Little Grove ,Albany
>> West Australia
>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jan 23 03:31:02 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 06:31:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
In-Reply-To: <001301c5013a$44362fe0$72ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <002101c4ff46$f8df64c0$03ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
	<002101c4ffcf$6a9cf180$489ef504@x8h7l9>
	<001301c5013a$44362fe0$72ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <4328E471-6D32-11D9-8485-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> Definitely corrosion judging by the pitted surface. Thanks for 
> comments ,I like the sound of the mag wheel cleaner Brock ,I wonder 
> what the ingredients are ?

Much of it has hydrochloric acid as an active ingredient.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From brock at netspeed.com.au  Sun Jan 23 03:39:10 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:39:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Lister Terminology Confusion
References: <41E87975.90006@optusnet.com.au><81lhu0t1e7md72l2r8mr3004208dhg9s85@4ax.com><33nhu0hu22gninpqb8do9sbjll530en44g@4ax.com><41E8F30A.9070201@optusnet.com.au><vqshu0h9ungqhag8dck26uji9o1kj0f8u7@4ax.com><41E91C30.2030404@optusnet.com.au><i0i6v093sk7pjsdmt4s81nkq45hs855amu@4ax.com>
	<E8046C74-6D2B-11D9-8485-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <004101c50140$29ba3110$5f11fea9@merlin>

G,day John
we have 2 cs lister diesels  1 is a single cyl the other is a twin  they 
both have model  CS stamped on the plate
i know of a fair few other the CS  listers around .


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "Old Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:45 PM
Subject: [SEL] Lister Terminology Confusion


> Just be aware that "CS" is a modern Lister collector's term for the old 
> Cold Starting Diesels like the 3/1, 5/1, etc. It's unofficial, and 
> unfortunately ambiguous. What Lister-Petter calls a "CS" model is a big 4 
> or 6 cylinder inline Diesel. (I think Peter Forbes once told me that 
> English Ford actually built them.) Lister only used the numerical 
> designations for what we've somehow grown used to calling "CS" engines. I 
> made the mistake of ordering a factory shop manual for a Lister CS several 
> years ago, which took quite a bit of trouble to get and ended up costing 
> around $100. If anybody has one of those CS engines and needs the book, 
> I've got it.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From oldengines at bigpond.com  Sun Jan 23 03:44:23 2005
From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron & Liz Sullivan)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:44:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
References: <002101c4ff46$f8df64c0$03ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
	<002101c4ffcf$6a9cf180$489ef504@x8h7l9>
	<001301c5013a$44362fe0$72ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <004601c50140$e2617660$92e58690@ronliz1>

Hi Peter
I use turtle mag wheel cleaner it's an acid of some soughts  the trick is
just put it in for a few minutes and rinse wear gloves and mask & glasses of
in water no longer or it turns it  black it commercially available to
detailers about $50 for 20 lts .
I have used it for atleast 15 yrs will make polished alloy abit flat in
colour
Ron & Liz  Sullivan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] carburetor corrosion


> Definitely corrosion judging by the pitted surface. Thanks for comments ,I
> like the sound of the mag wheel cleaner Brock ,I wonder what the
ingredients
> are ?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
>
>
> > Peter,
> > Are you sure the white powder is not lead oxide form the old leaded
> > gasoline.
> >
> > Ed Stoller
> > New Fairfield, CT
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:22 PM
> > Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
> >
> >
> >> I have just taken to pieces a down draught carby from a little Cooper [
> > iron
> >> horse]. The float bowl chamber was full of a white oxide presumably
> >> corrosion from the  Aluminium.When i say full ,it was just about
bursting
> >> out. I have given it a very light sand blast which has removed most of
> >> the
> >> white oxide .
> >> Question ..........will it grow again and is there any other way of
> > removing
> >> it and neutralising the corrosion?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Peter Ogborne
> >> Little Grove ,Albany
> >> West Australia
> >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> >> jopeter at omninet.net.au
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Jan 23 05:27:24 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:27:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant Update
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050123082421.02557ec0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
         I just got this from Charlie. Thought some of you would want to 
know. Charlie is at: "Charles R  Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
                 Dave
>>Hi Dave,
>
>Yes I am out of the hospital but this time was there only 4 days, Oral 
>anitbiotics
>wasn't doing the job so I have it daily now by IV.  Scheduled into Mass. 
>General Hospital in Boston  tomorrow (Monday)for removal of the infected 
>pacemaker leads then it will
>be another 3 to 4 weeks before they will do the valve operation. May have 
>that done there also.
>
>Only an inch of snow from the blizzard. Think we are on the edge of it. 20 
>below every
>morning though. When I went to the hospital the other morning I passed a 
>guy on a bicycle.
>My truck thermometer read 17 degrees below zero.
>
>Will keep you informed.
>
>Charlie Bryant



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jan 23 11:12:29 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:12:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Lister Terminology Confusion + a question.
In-Reply-To: <41F3A797.2020609@optusnet.com.au>
References: <41E87975.90006@optusnet.com.au><81lhu0t1e7md72l2r8mr3004208dhg9s85@4ax.com><33nhu0hu22gninpqb8do9sbjll530en44g@4ax.com><41E8F30A.9070201@optusnet.com.au><vqshu0h9ungqhag8dck26uji9o1kj0f8u7@4ax.com><41E91C30.2030404@optusnet.com.au><i0i6v093sk7pjsdmt4s81nkq45hs855amu@4ax.com>
	<E8046C74-6D2B-11D9-8485-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
	<004101c50140$29ba3110$5f11fea9@merlin>
	<41F3A797.2020609@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <B9ACE0E2-6D72-11D9-806B-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> G'day Brock....apologies for sending this (pic) to to group 
> again...but it does reinforce your point. Mine is apparently a late 
> 1939 early 1940 model.
>
> Any further thoughts John?

Just that Lister were apparently themselves confused. They used the CS 
name as I said for those big inline engines, and in recent years only 
listed the old 1 and 2 cylinder engines by the numerical designations 
3/1, etc. on factory lists of engine models, years made and serial 
numbers. I'm interested to hear that they did say "CS" on engine 
plates. But do beware that if you order something for a "CS" Lister you 
may get something you don't want, as I did.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jan 23 11:13:56 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:13:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Lister Terminology Confusion
In-Reply-To: <akr7v01guumbdc5i58ldr4fuok66qk5qk0@4ax.com>
References: <41E87975.90006@optusnet.com.au>
	<81lhu0t1e7md72l2r8mr3004208dhg9s85@4ax.com>
	<33nhu0hu22gninpqb8do9sbjll530en44g@4ax.com>
	<41E8F30A.9070201@optusnet.com.au>
	<vqshu0h9ungqhag8dck26uji9o1kj0f8u7@4ax.com>
	<41E91C30.2030404@optusnet.com.au>
	<i0i6v093sk7pjsdmt4s81nkq45hs855amu@4ax.com>
	<E8046C74-6D2B-11D9-8485-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
	<akr7v01guumbdc5i58ldr4fuok66qk5qk0@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <ED7E5C56-6D72-11D9-806B-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> The CS designation was not used outside Lister or in their sales or 
> service
> literature, which is why you got the wrong book for your engine.

Thanks for the clarification, Peter.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Sun Jan 23 12:06:05 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:06:05 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Lister Terminology Confusion  - plus duplicated posts
In-Reply-To: <ED7E5C56-6D72-11D9-806B-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
References: <41E87975.90006@optusnet.com.au>
	<81lhu0t1e7md72l2r8mr3004208dhg9s85@4ax.com>
	<33nhu0hu22gninpqb8do9sbjll530en44g@4ax.com>
	<41E8F30A.9070201@optusnet.com.au>
	<vqshu0h9ungqhag8dck26uji9o1kj0f8u7@4ax.com>
	<41E91C30.2030404@optusnet.com.au>
	<i0i6v093sk7pjsdmt4s81nkq45hs855amu@4ax.com>
	<E8046C74-6D2B-11D9-8485-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
	<akr7v01guumbdc5i58ldr4fuok66qk5qk0@4ax.com>
	<ED7E5C56-6D72-11D9-806B-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <on08v0drnaf6rgmjn6jtn6ctfs3dcj9gc1@4ax.com>

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:13:56 -0500, you wrote:

>> The CS designation was not used outside Lister or in their sales or 
>> service
>> literature, which is why you got the wrong book for your engine.
>
>Thanks for the clarification, Peter.
>
>John Culp
>Bristol, Tennessee, USA

There are many things like this in the engine world, they get passed round year
by year and become part of the legend. I am sure there are plenty of other old
chestnuts that can be told!

BTW:  Noticed that your emails had two headers for the SEL list, which seems to
have produced duplicate posts (for me at any rate) I have corrected this reply
so it doesn't propogate.

Peter
--
Peter & Rita Forbes
Email Address:
diesel at easynet.co.uk
Web Pages for Engine Preservation:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Jan 23 20:01:58 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 04:01:58 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
In-Reply-To: <4328E471-6D32-11D9-8485-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <20050124040158.95277.qmail@web25008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>



 --- John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net> wrote: 
> > Definitely corrosion judging by the pitted surface. Thanks for 
> > comments ,I like the sound of the mag wheel cleaner Brock ,I wonder 
> > what the ingredients are ?
> 
> Much of it has hydrochloric acid as an active ingredient.

Or possibly Phosphoric Acid??

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea


	
	
		
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Jan 24 04:09:31 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:09:31 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Stover DV info needed
Message-ID: <012420051209.27553.6b53@mchsi.com>

Hi all,
Need some help with some detailed pics of a Stover DV engine and could use a 
parts manual.
thankyou,
Curt Andree


From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 24 07:37:26 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:37:26 -0600
Subject: [SEL] carburetor corrosion
References: <20050124040158.95277.qmail@web25008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002401c5022a$9bf2f4c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>


> > > Definitely corrosion judging by the pitted surface. Thanks for
> > > comments ,I like the sound of the mag wheel cleaner Brock ,I wonder
> > > what the ingredients are ?
> >
> > Much of it has hydrochloric acid as an active ingredient.
>
> Or possibly Phosphoric Acid??
>
> Dave
> Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea


 Ospho and naval jelly  are phosphoric ,
aluminium jelly is  sulphuric acid both

The aluminum brightener( for non painted wheels )
can contain a combo of  hydrofluoric and phosphoric

Trailer Brite , like truckers buy , is a more concentrated hydrofluoric
solution

Milk wont do a hypocalcemic body any good  , so be cool with it .

- The- Saudi Arabia ?


Chuck












From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jan 24 09:41:35 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:41:35 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Stover DV info needed
Message-ID: <20050124.094136.206.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Curt.  I have a DV2 that seems complete, and could send pictures if I
can coax my digital camera to take a few more shots.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside California USA
http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:09:31 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
> Hi all,
> Need some help with some detailed pics of a Stover DV engine and 
> could use a 
> parts manual.
> thankyou,


From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Mon Jan 24 14:05:23 2005
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:05:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Docs and Plumbers
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7035A364E@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>

>>Dave,

>>    You sound like an old iron friend of mine who is a plumber.  He
told 
me he got a call for a service run to a Drs. house.  It was a very minor

problem and took about 15 minutes to fix.  The Dr. asked him how much he

owed and my friend said "the service call base rate is $35".  The Dr. 
seemed outraged and said "why you were here for only 15 minutes, that's 
$140 and hour, thats twice what I make as a physician!".  My friend 
looked him squarely in the eye and said "yeah, thats about what I made 
when I was a physician too".

>>Tommy Turner

Ask the doc if he guarantees his work like the plumber does.

Bruce Younger
Lenexa, Kansas USA
mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com
 

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From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Mon Jan 24 14:13:59 2005
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:13:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Martins
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7035A3662@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>

>> Wish I had known there was such interest. I gave away a late '40's
>> Hammond, model unknown/of no interest >>

>Got any old   Martins  with rusty strings , collecting dust up there ? 

>Chuck

Nope.  The boy-kid makes good use of that, and my sis has his fiddle. I 
got the Hohner Marine Band. Paperweight, it is. All I can play is the 
radio. Luckily, I got the MacIntosh and Electrovoice stuff.

Bruce Younger
Lenexa, Kansas USA
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Jan 24 18:04:15 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:04:15 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Stover DV info needed
References: <20050124.094136.206.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <002601c50282$ab31aa50$efc73dca@ogborneuah38i3>

Dave, sounds like your digital camera is getting tired. I wonder if this 
happens.........all those electronics!!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron D Haskell" <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 1:41 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover DV info needed


> Hi Curt.  I have a DV2 that seems complete, and could send pictures if I
> can coax my digital camera to take a few more shots.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside California USA
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/
>
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:09:31 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
>> Hi all,
>> Need some help with some detailed pics of a Stover DV engine and
>> could use a
>> parts manual.
>> thankyou,
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Jan 24 18:08:00 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:08:00 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Stover DV info needed........Digital Camera
References: <20050124.094136.206.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <002701c50282$b770e380$efc73dca@ogborneuah38i3>

Dave, sounds like your digital camera is getting tired. I wonder if this 
happens.........all those electronics!!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron D Haskell" <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 1:41 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover DV info needed


> Hi Curt.  I have a DV2 that seems complete, and could send pictures if I
> can coax my digital camera to take a few more shots.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside California USA
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/
>
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:09:31 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
>> Hi all,
>> Need some help with some detailed pics of a Stover DV engine and
>> could use a
>> parts manual.
>> thankyou,
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Jan 24 18:08:13 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:08:13 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Stover DV info needed........Digital Camera
References: <20050124.094136.206.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <002801c50282$bde9d730$efc73dca@ogborneuah38i3>

Dave, sounds like your digital camera is getting tired. I wonder if this 
happens.........all those electronics!!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron D Haskell" <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 1:41 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover DV info needed


> Hi Curt.  I have a DV2 that seems complete, and could send pictures if I
> can coax my digital camera to take a few more shots.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside California USA
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/
>
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:09:31 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
>> Hi all,
>> Need some help with some detailed pics of a Stover DV engine and
>> could use a
>> parts manual.
>> thankyou,
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Tue Jan 25 07:01:08 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:01:08 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Docs and Plumbers
In-Reply-To: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7035A364E@ch-mail1.ci.lenex
	a.ks.us>
References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7035A364E@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050125070025.01affcd0@mail.pennswoods.net>


AMEN on that one Tommy.
R Fink
PA



At 02:05 PM 1/24/2005, you wrote:
> >>Dave,
>
> >>    You sound like an old iron friend of mine who is a plumber.  He
>told
>me he got a call for a service run to a Drs. house.  It was a very minor
>
>problem and took about 15 minutes to fix.  The Dr. asked him how much he
>
>owed and my friend said "the service call base rate is $35".  The Dr.
>seemed outraged and said "why you were here for only 15 minutes, that's
>$140 and hour, thats twice what I make as a physician!".  My friend
>looked him squarely in the eye and said "yeah, thats about what I made
>when I was a physician too".
>
> >>Tommy Turner
>
>Ask the doc if he guarantees his work like the plumber does.
>
>Bruce Younger
>Lenexa, Kansas USA
>mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com
>
>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Jan 25 04:27:20 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:27:20 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Stover DV info needed
Message-ID: <012520051227.5316.4cd@mchsi.com>

Thankyou very much Ron.  Please contact me off list.
Curt Andree
> Hi Curt.  I have a DV2 that seems complete, and could send pictures if I
> can coax my digital camera to take a few more shots.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside California USA
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/
> 
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:09:31 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
> > Hi all,
> > Need some help with some detailed pics of a Stover DV engine and 
> > could use a 
> > parts manual.
> > thankyou,
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From falcon at telenet.net  Tue Jan 25 15:01:50 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:01:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Farewell Johnny !!!!
Message-ID: <00bf01c50331$db9b5c40$a41117d1@net.telenet.net>


Don't know if anyone else was a fan or not but for those who didn't know
the real King of late night TV passed away Sunday morning.
One of the greats on television who gave many of the current crop of
folks their starts.
Farewell Johnny, you will be missed.


http://www.johnnycarson.com/


Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown, New York



From brianne at ultratune.com.au  Tue Jan 25 16:47:30 2005
From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:47:30 +1000
Subject: [SEL] IH 3M
Message-ID: <00cc01c50340$9ed18a50$3f55dccb@pcuser>

Hi Guys
We have a new ID plate for our 3 M.
Have not yet tried to remove the old one.
Has anyone had any success in removing the four "screws" which hold the large square ID plate
on the top of the hopper on the IH 3 M ?
I am expecting to have to drill them out. Are they screws or rivets?
Thanks
Brian Taylor
Hervey Bay Historical Museum
13 Zephyr St..Scarness
Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html


From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jan 25 16:53:36 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:53:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Farewell Johnny !!!! OT
In-Reply-To: <00bf01c50331$db9b5c40$a41117d1@net.telenet.net>
References: <00bf01c50331$db9b5c40$a41117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050125195113.109405b8@mail.alltel.net>

At 06:01 PM 1/25/2005, you wrote:

>Don't know if anyone else was a fan or not but for those who didn't know
>the real King of late night TV passed away Sunday morning.
>One of the greats on television who gave many of the current crop of
>folks their starts.
>Farewell Johnny, you will be missed.
>Steve Williams

Hi Steve, Who is this "Johnny" of whom you speak? Did he own engines? Will 
they go up for auction soon? Do you know what OT in the header means?
         Dave 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jan 25 17:10:09 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:10:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] IH 3M
In-Reply-To: <00cc01c50340$9ed18a50$3f55dccb@pcuser>
References: <00cc01c50340$9ed18a50$3f55dccb@pcuser>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050125200434.10934890@mail.alltel.net>

At 07:47 PM 1/25/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Guys
>We have a new ID plate for our 3 M.
>Have not yet tried to remove the old one.
>Has anyone had any success in removing the four "screws" which hold the 
>large square ID plate
>on the top of the hopper on the IH 3 M ?
>I am expecting to have to drill them out. Are they screws or rivets?
>Thanks
>Brian Taylor
Hi Brian,
         Unless someone has replaced them since the engine left the factory 
they should be rivets. Try feeling on the inside of the hopper. You can 
probably feel the ends of the rivets. Get a small hammer inside the hopper 
and tap on the ends and they will raise up enough to get a pair of pliers 
on them. I've found that it takes several hits on a finger for every one on 
the rivet--so don't give up too soon!
         Dave
PS, "By Golly Darn" is perfectly acceptable when hitting your finger!



From mtucker at uky.edu  Tue Jan 25 17:52:32 2005
From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:52:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT- Free 1946 Dodge Truck for the taking
In-Reply-To: <41D1534C.3080807@scrtc.com>
References: <200412280946.iBS9k7So011734@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<41D1534C.3080807@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <p06010201be1ca47f03a7@[139.55.6.29]>

Howdy all,

The short end of a long story is that there is a 1946 Dodge 2-ton (?) 
truck sitting in Southlake, Texas (about 10 miles west of Dallas/Fort 
Worth International Airport) that needs a home.  The engine ran and 
the truck drove the last time it was run and driven but that was 
probably 12 years ago.  Even at that though, it's really a good 
candidate for a restoration project.  Sitting on the bed is a 
worthless water container (it's last real job, given to it by the 
original owner (Hobart Newberry), was a water truck for maintaining a 
riding arena).  It would look great with all of your favorite engines 
bolted down to the bed as you pull onto the show grounds!

The catch is that it MUST be removed from its current location by 
February 28, 2005.  If you want it you can have it but you have to 
get it out of there.  Otherwise, it goes to the scrap yard.  Sorry, I 
don't have any pictures and no real way to get any since it's in 
Texas and I'm in Kentucky.

If you are interested please email me at <mtucker at uky.edu> or give me 
a call at 859-846-4731.

take care,
Mike
-- 
_____________________________________________
Susan and Michael Tucker	email: mtucker at uky.edu
502 Davistown Road	Phone (859) 846-4731
Midway, Kentucky 40347
_____________________________________________


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Jan 25 17:53:16 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:53:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] IH 3M
In-Reply-To: <00cc01c50340$9ed18a50$3f55dccb@pcuser>
References: <00cc01c50340$9ed18a50$3f55dccb@pcuser>
Message-ID: <0B8DBCE5-6F3D-11D9-80AE-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> I am expecting to have to drill them out. Are they screws or rivets?

Mine are rivets.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jan 25 18:13:11 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:13:11 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Quartzsite, Arizona  --  a few pictures
Message-ID: <200501260213.j0Q2DPUl025848@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Both for your browsing pleasure:
 
http://engines.rustyiron.com/quartz05
 
http://wapa.us/shows/quartz05
 
 
 


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Wed Jan 26 01:22:22 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:22:22 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Quartzsite, Arizona  --  a few pictures
References: <200501260213.j0Q2DPUl025848@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c50388$8b3f8a80$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

Thanks Rob, it was a real pleasure to see all those
engines and other old irons in a sunny (missing ) landscape.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>


> Both for your browsing pleasure:
>  
> http://engines.rustyiron.com/quartz05
>  
> http://wapa.us/shows/quartz05




From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Wed Jan 26 05:46:55 2005
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:46:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Quartzsite, Arizona  --  a few pictures
In-Reply-To: <200501260213.j0Q2DPUl025848@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20050126084655.01648c74@mail.accnorwalk.com>

At 06:13 PM 1/25/05 -0800, you wrote:
>Both for your browsing pleasure:
> 
>http://engines.rustyiron.com/quartz05
> 
>_______________________________________________

Rob, the picture you need identified is a Centaur model G. Looks to be a
26. Any chance of getting the serial number?


                                                      
           Doug Tallman                 
           dtallman at accnorwalk.com                 
           VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director  
               Greenwich, OH USA                         
             


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 26 06:54:47 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:54:47 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Quartzsite, Arizona  --  a few pictures
References: <200501260213.j0Q2DPUl025848@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV71BB414BABA00E6473106BB870@phx.gbl>

THANK YOU ROB!! Very nice way to spend coffee time this a.m.

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: <WAPA-Members at rustyiron.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "'The 
SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "'Charles R Bryant'" <mogul460 at localnet.com>; "'Dusty Erickson'" 
<dme at gameguns.com>; "'David Mashiter'" <djm-im at old-engine.fsnet.co.uk>; 
"Greg Johnson" <gjohnson at ndii.com>; "'Chris Epping'" <oilpull at gtmc.net>; 
"Bill Young" <wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:13 PM
Subject: [SEL] Quartzsite, Arizona -- a few pictures


> Both for your browsing pleasure:
>
> http://engines.rustyiron.com/quartz05
>
> http://wapa.us/shows/quartz05
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 26 07:22:52 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:22:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Hercules & Economy piston pattern project comes together.
References: <41F17207.4010408@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV519EEC1277A1F7A5E5ACCBB870@phx.gbl>

Well needless to say, Corky and I are most impressed!  Could you please take 
us thru the whole process....say "Casting 101 for Dummies?".....preciate it.

 Wonder if that would fit the 1 3/4 Economy drag saw I have..I'll measure it 
up.

Thanks pard!!
Rick
PS: Haven't forgot Devin's rocks..need warmer weather.  This guy is 90+ 
years young and doesn't need to be out in his cold rock shop.  He's sharp!! 
Been thinkin' about taking the video camera.  I think Devin would like that.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 2:20 PM
Subject: [SEL] Hercules & Economy piston pattern project comes together.


> Some time ago we discussed making pistons for engines. This link is a
> summary of one of several piston and other casting projects I'm working
> on for a couple of my engines at the moment. Missy's horse and a half
> Herc is a tad leaky and by the end of a show has slung way too much oil
> around. I prefer to bore an engine just a little bit and make an
> over-sized piston to match the bore.
> If anyone is interested in one of these pistons for your project engine
> please contact me. I am getting ready to have another batch cast.
> These are for the 1&1/2 thru 2HP engines with the 3 1/4" bore.
> Link:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/SmallHercPiston/Thumbnails.html
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> (704) 853-2992
> curt at imc-group.com
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 26 07:35:44 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:35:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV26FD5BF1A8449C058EDF22BB870@phx.gbl>

 Howdy again;
What is the best route to take to get gear(s) made?  One is a combination 
i.e. two gears, one casting.  I also need a smaller gear...all straight cut 
teeth.  This is for manually traversing the carriage on my ole lathe.  Could 
the old ones be used for a pattern and is this something Rick Rowlands could 
do?

TIA
RickinMt.

http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 26 08:01:14 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:01:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Charlie and Skip's Stickneys
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV143E5FC78A8252FB9EAEA2BB870@phx.gbl>

Charlie Inman sent me  a couple photo's..thot ya'll might enjoy.
Here's the monster 20hp and Skip Landis' in a nice contrast shot at the 2004 
Columbia Falls, Mt. show:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/260243303yWjZsy

And some nice iron in Charlie's shop(?):

http://community.webshots.com/photo/260243478/260243478KNqjVf

Not sure how many they have in total now.

later,
RickinMt.

http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 


From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jan 26 08:24:31 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:24:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules & Economy piston pattern project comes together.
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV519EEC1277A1F7A5E5ACCBB870@phx.gbl>
References: <41F17207.4010408@imc-group.com>
	<BAY3-DAV519EEC1277A1F7A5E5ACCBB870@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41F7C43F.5070502@imc-group.com>

Rick,
Have been working on a web page exactly as you describe but it will be a 
little bit longer 'till I get it finished. It is detailing several 
Stickney parts.
Yup, the blank piston is for your size Economy. Fits the 1 1/2 thru 2 HP 
engines w/ 3.25 bore.
Curt

Richard Strobel wrote:

>Well needless to say, Corky and I are most impressed!  Could you please take 
>us thru the whole process....say "Casting 101 for Dummies?".....preciate it.
>
> Wonder if that would fit the 1 3/4 Economy drag saw I have..I'll measure it 
>up.
>
>  
>



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jan 26 09:06:33 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:06:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] ] Quartzsite, Arizona  --  a few pictures
Message-ID: <20050126.090634.59.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
I have a few pictures of Quartzsite before my camera died.  They may be
seen at:
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31610884&f=

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside California USA
http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:46:55 -0500 Doug Tallman <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>
writes:
> At 06:13 PM 1/25/05 -0800, you wrote:
> >Both for your browsing pleasure:
> > 
> >http://engines.rustyiron.com/quartz05
>


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 26 09:07:20 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:07:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Hercules & Economy piston pattern project comes together.
References: <41F17207.4010408@imc-group.com><BAY3-DAV519EEC1277A1F7A5E5ACCBB870@phx.gbl>
	<41F7C43F.5070502@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV3137437524449A80EAE926BB870@phx.gbl>

Kewl..we'll be lookin' forward to it.  Maybe Rowlands could give us a tour 
thru his foundry also.  This area was full of foundaries in the ole days. 
They are all gone now.  The one I know of sold most of their patterns but 
there is a cafe in town called "The Pattern Shop."  Will have to stop in and 
take some pictures of what they got on the wall.

later,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules & Economy piston pattern project comes together.


> Rick,
> Have been working on a web page exactly as you describe but it will be a
> little bit longer 'till I get it finished. It is detailing several
> Stickney parts.
> Yup, the blank piston is for your size Economy. Fits the 1 1/2 thru 2 HP
> engines w/ 3.25 bore.
> Curt
>
> Richard Strobel wrote:
>
> >Well needless to say, Corky and I are most impressed!  Could you please 
> >take
> >us thru the whole process....say "Casting 101 for Dummies?".....preciate 
> >it.
> >
> > Wonder if that would fit the 1 3/4 Economy drag saw I have..I'll measure 
> > it
> >up.
> >
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Jan 26 09:14:37 2005
From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:14:37 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Hercules & Economy piston pattern project comes together.
Message-ID: <A0005A7383753E46B67B1DD1DA6FEBE101297C42@nexus.plaza.ds.adp.com>

Curt,

I'm impressed!

I thought your webpage showing the patterns and castings was great!

Keep up the good work.

George

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
> To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 2:20 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Hercules & Economy piston pattern project 
> comes together.
> 
> 
> > Some time ago we discussed making pistons for engines. This 
> link is a
> > summary of one of several piston and other casting projects 
> I'm working
> > on for a couple of my engines at the moment. Missy's horse 
> and a half
> > Herc is a tad leaky and by the end of a show has slung way 
> too much oil
> > around. I prefer to bore an engine just a little bit and make an
> > over-sized piston to match the bore.
> > If anyone is interested in one of these pistons for your 
> project engine
> > please contact me. I am getting ready to have another batch cast.
> > These are for the 1&1/2 thru 2HP engines with the 3 1/4" bore.
> > Link:
> > 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/SmallHercPisto
> n/Thumbnails.html
> > Curt Holland



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 26 09:57:33 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:57:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] ] Quartzsite, Arizona  --  a few pictures
References: <20050126.090634.59.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV3318EB30460BDAF72F0CCEBB870@phx.gbl>

And thank you also Ron.  Are the Rumley Oil Pull model kits available?

Cute little tractor yes..also a neat little butt buggy behind it.  I'd look 
good on it.

Hey John..we better get some Gals down there don't ya think?  I've been to 
Quartzite once...quite a place and notice the shirtsleeves...whew!

Well I just might not shop up today.  Think I'll put that tape in of the 
silver mine in Alaska with the Novo running the ?...and the monster in the 
same bldg.  Try to take a picture off the boobtube.

later,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron D Haskell" <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:06 AM
Subject: [SEL] ] Quartzsite, Arizona -- a few pictures


> Hi all.
> I have a few pictures of Quartzsite before my camera died.  They may be
> seen at:
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31610884&f=
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside California USA
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/
>
> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:46:55 -0500 Doug Tallman <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>
> writes:
> > At 06:13 PM 1/25/05 -0800, you wrote:
> > >Both for your browsing pleasure:
> > >
> > >http://engines.rustyiron.com/quartz05
> >
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Jan 26 10:53:48 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:53:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charlie and Skip's Stickneys
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV143E5FC78A8252FB9EAEA2BB870@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY3-DAV143E5FC78A8252FB9EAEA2BB870@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41F7E73C.8060705@scrtc.com>

Rick,
   
The 1 1/2 hp's are considerable smaller than the 1 3/4's.  They have a 
web in the flywheel to counterbalance the crank.  Here's a photo of my 1 
1/2.

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30063200&p=60452045

I think the oddball Stickney is the Harvard or Jr. model.  I really like 
the donut flywheel.  Here's mine that needs a bit of TLC (one of these 
days I'll tinker with it)

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30990428&p=65974575

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Charlie Inman sent me  a couple photo's..thot ya'll might enjoy.
>Here's the monster 20hp and Skip Landis' in a nice contrast shot at the 2004 
>Columbia Falls, Mt. show:
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/260243303yWjZsy
>
>And some nice iron in Charlie's shop(?):
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/260243478/260243478KNqjVf
>
>Not sure how many they have in total now.
>
>later,
>RickinMt.
>
>http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 
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>  
>




From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jan 26 11:02:27 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:02:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules & Economy piston pattern project comes together.
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV3137437524449A80EAE926BB870@phx.gbl>
References: <41F17207.4010408@imc-group.com><BAY3-DAV519EEC1277A1F7A5E5ACCBB870@phx.gbl>	<41F7C43F.5070502@imc-group.com>
	<BAY3-DAV3137437524449A80EAE926BB870@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41F7E943.5010706@imc-group.com>

Rick,
I have always enjoyed studying old patterns or pieces of patterns you 
see at antique booths and malls. It's fun trying to figure out what they 
were for making. It is also amazing what the antique dealers think these 
old hunks of wood are worth! Have yet to find what I think is an old gas 
engine pattern. Most are usually valve bodies and such.
I'd be real interested in seeing photos of the cafe "The Pattern Shop".
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Richard Strobel wrote:

>Kewl..we'll be lookin' forward to it.  Maybe Rowlands could give us a tour 
>thru his foundry also.  This area was full of foundaries in the ole days. 
>They are all gone now.  The one I know of sold most of their patterns but 
>there is a cafe in town called "The Pattern Shop."  Will have to stop in and 
>take some pictures of what they got on the wall.
>
>  
>



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jan 26 11:09:46 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:09:46 -0800
Subject: [SEL] ] Quartzsite, Arizona  --  a few pictures
Message-ID: <20050126.110947.59.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Richard.
The Rumely was custom built by my friend Merle Morse.  He is a high
school metal shop teacher.  Even the engine was built by him, starting
with a crank from a 650 Kawasaki that was pulled apart and put back as a
2 cylinder.  The wheels behind it are on my '48 Farmall  Cub, it does
make a nice butt buggy.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside California USA
http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:57:33 -0700 "Richard Strobel"
<Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> writes:
> And thank you also Ron.  Are the Rumley Oil Pull model kits 
> available?
> 
> Cute little tractor yes..also a neat little butt buggy behind it.  
> I'd look 
> good on it.
> 
> Hey John..we better get some Gals down there don't ya think?  I've 
> been to 
> Quartzite once...quite a place and notice the shirtsleeves...whew!
> 
> Well I just might not shop up today.  Think I'll put that tape in of 
> the 
> silver mine in Alaska with the Novo running the ?...and the monster 
> in the 
> same bldg.  Try to take a picture off the boobtube.
> 
> later,
> Rick


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 26 11:11:01 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:11:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Iron in Alaska
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV7733235BC8F25EF765C31BB870@phx.gbl>

  It's a neat vhs of a tour thru an old abandoned silver mine.  They had to 
fly in.

I snapped some photo's off the boobtube and although they didn't turn out 
good (as expected), possibly someone can ID the engine that runs the big 
compressor.  He moves a lever that might be compression release.

  The Novo? is also pretty cool.  Maybe drives a water pump for compressor 
and engine cooling or possible a small compressor for air starting the 
monster.

Here's the first one and hit fwd for the rest...neat seeing this old iron at 
home...btw., he says it's midnight there.

Marv, I'll try to edit these photo's and send them direct.  They're too big 
now.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/260315416GlJOcD

enjoy,
RickinMt.
http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 26 11:24:12 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:24:12 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Hercules & Economy piston pattern project comes together.
References: <41F17207.4010408@imc-group.com><BAY3-DAV519EEC1277A1F7A5E5ACCBB870@phx.gbl>	<41F7C43F.5070502@imc-group.com><BAY3-DAV3137437524449A80EAE926BB870@phx.gbl>
	<41F7E943.5010706@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV8D48DF7A8C038AAEC4792BB870@phx.gbl>

Curt..why are the piston grooves different depths..strength?

Rick


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From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules & Economy piston pattern project comes together.


> Rick,
> I have always enjoyed studying old patterns or pieces of patterns you
> see at antique booths and malls. It's fun trying to figure out what they
> were for making. It is also amazing what the antique dealers think these
> old hunks of wood are worth! Have yet to find what I think is an old gas
> engine pattern. Most are usually valve bodies and such.
> I'd be real interested in seeing photos of the cafe "The Pattern Shop".
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> Richard Strobel wrote:
>
> >Kewl..we'll be lookin' forward to it.  Maybe Rowlands could give us a 
> >tour
> >thru his foundry also.  This area was full of foundaries in the ole days.
> >They are all gone now.  The one I know of sold most of their patterns but
> >there is a cafe in town called "The Pattern Shop."  Will have to stop in 
> >and
> >take some pictures of what they got on the wall.
> >
> >
> >
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jan 26 01:18:45 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:18:45 +1100
Subject: [SEL] IH 3M
References: <00cc01c50340$9ed18a50$3f55dccb@pcuser>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050125200434.10934890@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <000201c503eb$a39cfe60$56111bd3@reg>

As you have a new plate,why not just cut them flush with a sharp chisel and
drive them on through? Or drill out the bits left.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] IH 3M


> At 07:47 PM 1/25/2005, you wrote:
> >Hi Guys
> >We have a new ID plate for our 3 M.
> >Have not yet tried to remove the old one.
> >Has anyone had any success in removing the four "screws" which hold the
> >large square ID plate
> >on the top of the hopper on the IH 3 M ?
> >I am expecting to have to drill them out. Are they screws or rivets?
> >Thanks
> >Brian Taylor
> Hi Brian,
>          Unless someone has replaced them since the engine left the
factory
> they should be rivets. Try feeling on the inside of the hopper. You can
> probably feel the ends of the rivets. Get a small hammer inside the hopper
> and tap on the ends and they will raise up enough to get a pair of pliers
> on them. I've found that it takes several hits on a finger for every one
on
> the rivet--so don't give up too soon!
>          Dave
> PS, "By Golly Darn" is perfectly acceptable when hitting your finger!
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 26 13:27:25 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:27:25 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Charlie and Skip's Stickneys
References: <BAY3-DAV143E5FC78A8252FB9EAEA2BB870@phx.gbl>
	<41F7E73C.8060705@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV140D01FDE88BD3AD6AE885BB870@phx.gbl>

Thanks Tommy;
  Most unique and I've forwarded your message to Charlie.

Take Care,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Charlie and Skip's Stickneys


> Rick,
>
> The 1 1/2 hp's are considerable smaller than the 1 3/4's.  They have a
> web in the flywheel to counterbalance the crank.  Here's a photo of my 1
> 1/2.
>
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30063200&p=60452045
>
> I think the oddball Stickney is the Harvard or Jr. model.  I really like
> the donut flywheel.  Here's mine that needs a bit of TLC (one of these
> days I'll tinker with it)
>
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30990428&p=65974575
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
> >Charlie Inman sent me  a couple photo's..thot ya'll might enjoy.
> >Here's the monster 20hp and Skip Landis' in a nice contrast shot at the 
> >2004
> >Columbia Falls, Mt. show:
> >
> >http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/260243303yWjZsy
> >
> >And some nice iron in Charlie's shop(?):
> >
> >http://community.webshots.com/photo/260243478/260243478KNqjVf
> >
> >Not sure how many they have in total now.
> >
> >later,
> >RickinMt.
> >
> >http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 26 13:27:12 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:27:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Iron in Alaska
References: <BAY3-DAV7733235BC8F25EF765C31BB870@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00e601c503ed$cd559e40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>


 Saw a vertical  single  just South of  Greenland  in  the opening sequence
to AVP last night  too ;-)


>   It's a neat vhs of a tour thru an old abandoned silver mine.  They had
to
> fly in.




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Jan 26 02:28:15 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:28:15 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day
Message-ID: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Happy Australia Day to my fellow Aussies!!!!!

Our club had a little display today for Australia Day. Pics at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ausday05.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From todengine at zoominternet.net  Wed Jan 26 14:55:46 2005
From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:55:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
References: <BAY3-DAV26FD5BF1A8449C058EDF22BB870@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001a01c503fa$2c2189f0$0ec19a18@pengy>

Well I could sure give it a try. They should come out ok if not too awful 
small.

Rick Rowlands

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:35 AM
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making


> Howdy again;
> What is the best route to take to get gear(s) made?  One is a combination 
> i.e. two gears, one casting.  I also need a smaller gear...all straight 
> cut teeth.  This is for manually traversing the carriage on my ole lathe. 
> Could the old ones be used for a pattern and is this something Rick 
> Rowlands could do?
>
> TIA
> RickinMt.
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 
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From jbcast at charter.net  Wed Jan 26 17:00:06 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 1:00:06 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
Message-ID: <3k70kp$mebq2c@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net>


> What is the best route to take to get gear(s) made?  One is a combination 
> i.e. two gears, one casting.  I also need a smaller gear...all straight cut 
> teeth.  This is for manually traversing the carriage on my ole lathe.  Could 
> the old ones be used for a pattern and is this something Rick Rowlands could 
> do?
> 
Rick, get a Boston Gear or Rush Gear catalog, see if the gears are available, width may be a little different, the center is adaptable also. On my lathe I machined the hub and made a ring gear out of the new gear, heated and shrunk it on and pinned it. On the double gear, if only one is bad, bore it out amd press it on a shaft, bore the new gear and press it next to it.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA 



From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jan 26 18:07:59 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:07:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Not making trip to CT after all-
In-Reply-To: <20050126.090634.59.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200501270208.j0R28OJo034747@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


Well, first of all I want to thank Ken for his efforts taking photos and
posting them for me.
I really appreciate it - and in the end it showed me some things about the
car that made me take a 3rd look and pause and think. Seems there was a
history of rust, and it wasn't fully beat. Nice as the car was, it wasn't
worth the price I would have had to bid to get it. Bummer. Some experts took
a look at the photos with me and pointed to things I nearly missed - or was
blind to........
Thanks, Ken

On the other hand, sometimes good things DO happen.
I've got a lead on a 1970, fully loaded with nearly all possible factory and
dealer options with only 24,000 actual miles on it. All original, all
matching numbers, runs and is one that can be restored to show condition
with little effort.  It's a rather rare combination and it's in the twin
cities area. (with a rather sought after engine for that model as well) He's
filmed it and is sending a DVD with movies and pics of the car later this
week.
Power steering, power disk brakes, AC, AT, 325 hp (some claim more like 340
hp) 390cid small block, 3.91 posi, torque links, ram air, rear Mark Donohue
type spoiler (factory), factory part number Edelbrock aluminum intake and
Edelbrock carb. Mallory coil, no rust, original paint and reverse C stripes,
factory 5 spoke mags, GO pack and Rally pack options, tilt wheel and get
this - factory 8 track!

All this means I won't be making a trip to Connecticut and back so won't be
able to help with engine hauling.........sorry. 
I was actually looking forward to being able to help haul iron! Put that
truck to GOOD use.


Bill





From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Jan 26 18:16:19 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:16:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
In-Reply-To: <3k70kp$mebq2c@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net>
References: <3k70kp$mebq2c@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <41F84EF3.7050500@scrtc.com>

JB,

    I've done the same thing several times with good results.  I've 
found it best to purchase  the crank gear and the cam gear and replace 
them both.  Some of the old timers had an odd ball pitch on their 
teeth.  I had a friend who needed a gear made and the guy who cut it for 
him had to have a special cutter ground to match the other gear.  Some 
of the real early manufacturers may have ground their own cutters and as 
a result, it was their own "design".

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



jbcast at charter.net wrote:

>>What is the best route to take to get gear(s) made?  One is a combination 
>>i.e. two gears, one casting.  I also need a smaller gear...all straight cut 
>>teeth.  This is for manually traversing the carriage on my ole lathe.  Could 
>>the old ones be used for a pattern and is this something Rick Rowlands could 
>>do?
>>
>>    
>>
>Rick, get a Boston Gear or Rush Gear catalog, see if the gears are available, width may be a little different, the center is adaptable also. On my lathe I machined the hub and made a ring gear out of the new gear, heated and shrunk it on and pinned it. On the double gear, if only one is bad, bore it out amd press it on a shaft, bore the new gear and press it next to it.
>J.B. Castagnos
>Belle Rose, LA 
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>
>
>  
>


From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jan 26 18:19:15 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:19:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Friend needs engine transport .........
In-Reply-To: <000201c503eb$a39cfe60$56111bd3@reg>
Message-ID: <200501270219.j0R2JZEw041246@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

 I marked this OT as it's not an antique engine exactly, it's an engine from
a "classic" car.
I suspect a V8

It was posted in the AMC forum I'm a member of.

Here is his email address:  putas123 at aol.com

Bill


---------------------------------------

 I have an interest in a motor in Minnesota but the freight really kills the
deal.$500+. Just figured I'd ask to see if anyone was headed this way or
anywhere near Massachusetts already....willing to pay for some gas.
thanks in advance.
-Will 

----------------------------------------

 Bill  
I would appreciate any help greatly! I am in no hurry to get it here, just
thought I'd throw it out there.
thanks again,
-Will
putas123 at aol.com




From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Wed Jan 26 19:04:17 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:04:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
References: <3k70kp$mebq2c@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net>
	<41F84EF3.7050500@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <026801c5041c$e5a6b3b0$91f83e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

It seems unlikely to me that early engine people devised a unique gear
geometry.  This would have been a pretty demanding and expensive undertaking
and there would have been little if any advantage over what was already
invented. Almost surely these gears had a 14 1/2 degree pressure angle and
used an involute curve for the tooth form. There are other PA's in use today
and unless you are a real gear pro it almost impossible to eyeball different
pressure angles. There are also other tooth geometries besides involute, the
drawback is their shape makes them difficult to machine with no gain in
performance or life.

For gear terms see http://shopswarf.orcon.net.nz/spur.html

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making


> JB,
>
>     I've done the same thing several times with good results.  I've
> found it best to purchase  the crank gear and the cam gear and replace
> them both.  Some of the old timers had an odd ball pitch on their
> teeth.  I had a friend who needed a gear made and the guy who cut it for
> him had to have a special cutter ground to match the other gear.  Some
> of the real early manufacturers may have ground their own cutters and as
> a result, it was their own "design".
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> jbcast at charter.net wrote:
>
> >>What is the best route to take to get gear(s) made?  One is a
combination
> >>i.e. two gears, one casting.  I also need a smaller gear...all straight
cut
> >>teeth.  This is for manually traversing the carriage on my ole lathe.
Could
> >>the old ones be used for a pattern and is this something Rick Rowlands
could
> >>do?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >Rick, get a Boston Gear or Rush Gear catalog, see if the gears are
available, width may be a little different, the center is adaptable also. On
my lathe I machined the hub and made a ring gear out of the new gear, heated
and shrunk it on and pinned it. On the double gear, if only one is bad, bore
it out amd press it on a shaft, bore the new gear and press it next to it.
> >J.B. Castagnos
> >Belle Rose, LA
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>




From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Jan 26 19:55:39 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:55:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day
In-Reply-To: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050126225312.10aec8d0@mail.alltel.net>

At 05:28 AM 1/26/2005, you wrote:
>Happy Australia Day to my fellow Aussies!!!!!
>Patrick M Livingstone

Hi Patrick, What the hell is Australia Day? Is it something like our 4the 
of July? Do you guys down under have a 4th of July?
         Dave
PS, Happy Australia Day--whatever in the hell that is! 



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Jan 26 20:10:58 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:10:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
In-Reply-To: <026801c5041c$e5a6b3b0$91f83e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
References: <3k70kp$mebq2c@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net>	<41F84EF3.7050500@scrtc.com>
	<026801c5041c$e5a6b3b0$91f83e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <41F869D2.1000401@scrtc.com>

Sounds good Jim but something screwy was going on with the Springfield 
engines.  A gear on Raymond Scholl's 1 HP had a couple of teeth 
missing.  No standard gear would match it.  He had to send it to a guy 
who had a special cutter made to match the existing gear.  Some of the 
"blacksmith" makers of engines, sometimes which produced only a handful, 
did it all.  They made the castings, did all the machining, cut the 
gears, etc.  In some cases, I doubt that they were too concerned with 
the pressure angles and more concerned with making sure they had a 2 to 
1 ratio that would mesh and work.  We have all kinds of standards 
readily available today that some didn't have 110 years ago (standards 
were in place, but not easily accessible to all).  I'm sure that many 
manufacturers adhered to the standards to the letter.  I know some 
didn't though as I've had examples.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Jim and Diane wrote:

>It seems unlikely to me that early engine people devised a unique gear
>geometry.  This would have been a pretty demanding and expensive undertaking
>and there would have been little if any advantage over what was already
>invented. Almost surely these gears had a 14 1/2 degree pressure angle and
>used an involute curve for the tooth form. There are other PA's in use today
>and unless you are a real gear pro it almost impossible to eyeball different
>pressure angles. There are also other tooth geometries besides involute, the
>drawback is their shape makes them difficult to machine with no gain in
>performance or life.
>
>For gear terms see http://shopswarf.orcon.net.nz/spur.html
>
>Jim
>
>Jim and Diane Kirkes
>Hemet, CA
>jd.kirkes at verizon.net
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:16 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
>
>
>  
>
>>JB,
>>
>>    I've done the same thing several times with good results.  I've
>>found it best to purchase  the crank gear and the cam gear and replace
>>them both.  Some of the old timers had an odd ball pitch on their
>>teeth.  I had a friend who needed a gear made and the guy who cut it for
>>him had to have a special cutter ground to match the other gear.  Some
>>of the real early manufacturers may have ground their own cutters and as
>>a result, it was their own "design".
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>>jbcast at charter.net wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>>What is the best route to take to get gear(s) made?  One is a
>>>>        
>>>>
>combination
>  
>
>>>>i.e. two gears, one casting.  I also need a smaller gear...all straight
>>>>        
>>>>
>cut
>  
>
>>>>teeth.  This is for manually traversing the carriage on my ole lathe.
>>>>        
>>>>
>Could
>  
>
>>>>the old ones be used for a pattern and is this something Rick Rowlands
>>>>        
>>>>
>could
>  
>
>>>>do?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Rick, get a Boston Gear or Rush Gear catalog, see if the gears are
>>>      
>>>
>available, width may be a little different, the center is adaptable also. On
>my lathe I machined the hub and made a ring gear out of the new gear, heated
>and shrunk it on and pinned it. On the double gear, if only one is bad, bore
>it out amd press it on a shaft, bore the new gear and press it next to it.
>  
>
>>>J.B. Castagnos
>>>Belle Rose, LA
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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From jd1104me at insightbb.com  Wed Jan 26 20:13:06 2005
From: jd1104me at insightbb.com (William Rushing)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:13:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Alpha Senior Dairy Power Plant vw
Message-ID: <001001c50426$8143cde0$6401a8c0@desktop2>

 Alpha Seanior Power Plant Type VW i would like to know what magneto this engine needs . It has a wico c magneto thats seems to fit but it dosnt look right as the govener has to be moved to one side it will run off this magneto but seems to adv the timeing so far when it runs it stops fireing. until it slows down.
TY 
William Rushing
Champaign,IL,USA

From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jan 26 09:41:34 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:41:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
Message-ID: <20050126.233256.992.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Rick,

I'd like to know what your responces are.

I haven't worked on the Rusty Ideal I have but will be in the market for
gears and  crank shaft if I persue rebuilding it.  Gears is one of my
biggest hangups.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jan 26 21:40:32 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:40:32 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day OT
References: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050126225312.10aec8d0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <002301c50432$b7e6a870$1bb7ecdc@morris>

G'Day Dave
>
> Hi Patrick, What the hell is Australia Day? Is it something like our 4the 
> of July?

Not really, we celebrate the day the POMS (Captain Cook) landed on these 
shores, yesterday the aborigines celebrated invasion day, well at least some 
of them got off their backsides for awhile
Having said that it is a day to remember our heritage, new immigrates become 
OZ citizens etc

> Do you guys down under have a 4th of July?

Sure do, usually just after the 3rd of July and just before the 5th July 
8-))


>         Dave
> PS, Happy Australia Day--whatever in the hell that is!



From EnginePaul at aol.com  Wed Jan 26 22:16:09 2005
From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:16:09 EST
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day OT
Message-ID: <1c6.22dde7b7.2f29e129@aol.com>

Sounds like our Columbus Day. We used to celebrate the day Christopher 
Columbus landed in the new world. But now that's not politically correct; some want 
to call it Indigenous People's Day and call it a day of mourning. I see their 
point. Half naked women all over the area, little or no work to do, all the 
food you can eat, no need for money. Not a bad deal.

Have a happy Australia Day.


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jan 27 00:18:38 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:18:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day
References: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050126225312.10aec8d0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <01c001c5044b$7196e560$56111bd3@reg>

Jeez! You yanks dont know niffin about wot goes on outside your borders!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day


> At 05:28 AM 1/26/2005, you wrote:
> >Happy Australia Day to my fellow Aussies!!!!!
> >Patrick M Livingstone
>
> Hi Patrick, What the hell is Australia Day? Is it something like our 4the
> of July? Do you guys down under have a 4th of July?
>          Dave
> PS, Happy Australia Day--whatever in the hell that is!
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Jan 27 02:58:46 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:58:46 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day OT
References: <1c6.22dde7b7.2f29e129@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c5045f$3164eff0$b4b43dca@ogborneuah38i3>

If we are to believe the latest , Columbus did not discover America, the 
Chinese did it in 1421
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <EnginePaul at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT


> Sounds like our Columbus Day. We used to celebrate the day Christopher
> Columbus landed in the new world. But now that's not politically correct; 
> some want
> to call it Indigenous People's Day and call it a day of mourning. I see 
> their
> point. Half naked women all over the area, little or no work to do, all 
> the
> food you can eat, no need for money. Not a bad deal.
>
> Have a happy Australia Day.
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From jbcast at charter.net  Thu Jan 27 04:10:23 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:10:23 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
Message-ID: <3k77vd$gpjk59@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net>


> 
> Sounds good Jim but something screwy was going on with the Springfield 
> engines.  A gear on Raymond Scholl's 1 HP had a couple of teeth 
> missing.  No standard gear would match it.  He had to send it to a guy 
> who had a special cutter made to match the existing gear.  Some of the 
> "blacksmith" makers of engines, sometimes which produced only a handful, 
> did it all.  They made the castings, did all the machining, cut the 
> gears, etc.  In some cases, I doubt that they were too concerned with 
> the pressure angles and more concerned with making sure they had a 2 to 
> 1 ratio that would mesh and work.  We have all kinds of standards 
> readily available today that some didn't have 110 years ago (standards 
> were in place, but not easily accessible to all).  I'm sure that many 
> manufacturers adhered to the standards to the letter.  I know some 
> didn't though as I've had examples.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
Tommy, my Holiday marine engine had stripped two of the three timing gears when a guide on the lifter broke, no doubt this is what took it out of service. The gears don't match any in the books, much finer teeth. Usually if you have the same number of teeth and the same diameter it will work. I'm running it on a timing chain from a Pontiac for now. I have the blanks and cutter made, just haven't taken the time to cut them yet. I made a helical gear for another engine, unique rigging, working on a story for GEM, got to get back on that.
J.B. Castgnos 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 27 04:37:14 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:37:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Charlie
Message-ID: <003f01c5046c$eff420a0$230110ac@PAUL>

Folks I just received this message from Charlie Bryant's sister. Charlie is 
counting on the prayers of all of his engine friends to help him get through 
all of this so please take out a moment and ask the Good Lord to be with our 
good friend Charlie and to bring him through this procedure and all of the 
other procedures he will be undergoing.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard R Allen" <gramps16 at juno.com>
To: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: Charlie


> Good Evening,
> Had a call few minutes ago from Charles. --it is decided that a heart
> cath will be done tomorrow PM  --angioplasty--to open up the aortic valve
> more so to be stronger for the pacemaker deal later. His daughter, her
> husband and granddaughter will be there so that will be good.
>
> He wanted me to let you know as he counts on your prayers! Thanks for
> your friendship to him and for upholding him in prayer.
>
> C's sister .
> Lois
> 




From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jan 27 05:18:36 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:18:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charlie and Skip's Stickneys
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV140D01FDE88BD3AD6AE885BB870@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY3-DAV143E5FC78A8252FB9EAEA2BB870@phx.gbl>	<41F7E73C.8060705@scrtc.com>
	<BAY3-DAV140D01FDE88BD3AD6AE885BB870@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41F8EA2C.2080003@imc-group.com>

Rick, Tommy,
There is a fellow in the area who makes a nice running Stickney model. 
Garland Jobe if I have the name correct. That would make a neat picture 
too. The 20HP, the horse and a half, and the model all together.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Richard Strobel wrote:

>Thanks Tommy;
>  Most unique and I've forwarded your message to Charlie.
>
>
>  
>
>>Rick,
>>
>>The 1 1/2 hp's are considerable smaller than the 1 3/4's.  They have a
>>web in the flywheel to counterbalance the crank.  Here's a photo of my 1
>>1/2.
>>
>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30063200&p=60452045
>>
>>    
>>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jan 27 05:18:24 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:18:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Charlie
In-Reply-To: <003f01c5046c$eff420a0$230110ac@PAUL>
References: <003f01c5046c$eff420a0$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <29511.165.206.180.118.1106831904.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

You got it...........................
It's the single biggest and most simple thing that can be done.

Bill


> Folks I just received this message from Charlie Bryant's sister. Charlie
> is
> counting on the prayers of all of his engine friends to help him get
> through
> all of this so please take out a moment and ask the Good Lord to be with
> our
> good friend Charlie and to bring him through this procedure and all of the
> other procedures he will be undergoing.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard R Allen" <gramps16 at juno.com>
> To: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Charlie
>
>
>> Good Evening,
>> Had a call few minutes ago from Charles. --it is decided that a heart
>> cath will be done tomorrow PM  --angioplasty--to open up the aortic
>> valve
>> more so to be stronger for the pacemaker deal later. His daughter, her
>> husband and granddaughter will be there so that will be good.
>>
>> He wanted me to let you know as he counts on your prayers! Thanks for
>> your friendship to him and for upholding him in prayer.
>>
>> C's sister .
>> Lois
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jan 27 04:55:55 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:55:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
In-Reply-To: <3k77vd$gpjk59@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net>
References: <3k77vd$gpjk59@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <41F8E4DB.2090506@scrtc.com>

JB,

    I've had similar experiences.  Looks like your marine engine builder 
didn't follow the "standards" either.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>>    
>>
>Tommy, my Holiday marine engine had stripped two of the three timing gears when a guide on the lifter broke, no doubt this is what took it out of service. The gears don't match any in the books, much finer teeth. Usually if you have the same number of teeth and the same diameter it will work. I'm running it on a timing chain from a Pontiac for now. I have the blanks and cutter made, just haven't taken the time to cut them yet. I made a helical gear for another engine, unique rigging, working on a story for GEM, got to get back on that.
>J.B. Castgnos 
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From toadhill at aeroinc.net  Thu Jan 27 05:28:14 2005
From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:28:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wooden Casting Patterns
Message-ID: <003401c50474$0f261a80$83cc940c@mcness.com>

Curt Holland and Group,

About 20 years ago we stayed at a campground South of Rockford ILL. on the Kishwaukee River.  There was a huge mountain of firewood for the taking.  The mountain was made of large and small casting patterns.  There were large pulleys and flywheels.  Also smaller levers, valves etc.  I wanted to fill our camper with some of these patterns when we left but my wife would have no part of it.  

Joe Maurer
Toadhill Farm

From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jan 27 05:42:24 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:42:24 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
References: <20050126.233256.992.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV36C066604EB5C752125D3BB780@phx.gbl>

Pip..here's the websites J.B suggested;

http://www.rushgears.com/index2.asp?source=1     Read the FAQ's..and looks 
like a good menu.

and the other one;

http://bostongear.com/index.asp   Shows combination gear ie  "Speed 
changers."

Rushgear doesn't stock and they use reverse engineering  ie Send them your 
broken gear(s) and in two weeks you'll have a new one.  Sounds promising.

  Boston gear advertises the straight rack gear and probably has the 
matching round driver meshing gear so it looks like I might be able to 
replace all the manual carriage traverse mechanism if I so desire or have 
to.  SWAGGING that this assembly is not what I'd call super close tolerance 
as it just moves the carriage manually back and forth...nothing to do with 
threading.those gear are fine...halfnut questionable.

Headed back to those websites...THANKS J.B.!!!!!!!

Rick
PS: Rush gear gives an estimate after they receive your gears.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph L Betz" <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making


> Hi Rick,
>
> I'd like to know what your responces are.
>
> I haven't worked on the Rusty Ideal I have but will be in the market for
> gears and  crank shaft if I persue rebuilding it.  Gears is one of my
> biggest hangups.
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com
>  ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
>  \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas "
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> _______________________________________________
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jan 27 05:45:00 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:45:00 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Charlie and Skip's Stickneys
References: <BAY3-DAV143E5FC78A8252FB9EAEA2BB870@phx.gbl>	<41F7E73C.8060705@scrtc.com><BAY3-DAV140D01FDE88BD3AD6AE885BB870@phx.gbl>
	<41F8EA2C.2080003@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV3255EEBC425FC708D62E5DBB780@phx.gbl>

Yes it would Curt.  I believe Charlie's got a horse and a half now also.  I 
need to get up there (Havre) and vhs the grandson starting the 20 hp.  Chuck 
asked for that a while back.

later,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Charlie and Skip's Stickneys


> Rick, Tommy,
> There is a fellow in the area who makes a nice running Stickney model.
> Garland Jobe if I have the name correct. That would make a neat picture
> too. The 20HP, the horse and a half, and the model all together.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> Richard Strobel wrote:
>
> >Thanks Tommy;
> >  Most unique and I've forwarded your message to Charlie.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Rick,
> >>
> >>The 1 1/2 hp's are considerable smaller than the 1 3/4's.  They have a
> >>web in the flywheel to counterbalance the crank.  Here's a photo of my 1
> >>1/2.
> >>
> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30063200&p=60452045
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jan 27 05:48:02 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:48:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
References: <BAY3-DAV26FD5BF1A8449C058EDF22BB870@phx.gbl>
	<001a01c503fa$2c2189f0$0ec19a18@pengy>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV10C617C0DBADDE4E5EA785BB780@phx.gbl>

Rick, wouldn't you have to pour a blank as I have some teeth missing...and 
then I'd have to have the teeth milled?

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tod Engine" <todengine at zoominternet.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making


> Well I could sure give it a try. They should come out ok if not too awful
> small.
>
> Rick Rowlands
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:35 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
>
>
> > Howdy again;
> > What is the best route to take to get gear(s) made?  One is a 
> > combination
> > i.e. two gears, one casting.  I also need a smaller gear...all straight
> > cut teeth.  This is for manually traversing the carriage on my ole 
> > lathe.
> > Could the old ones be used for a pattern and is this something Rick
> > Rowlands could do?
> >
> > TIA
> > RickinMt.
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc
> > _______________________________________________
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> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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> >
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jan 27 06:21:11 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:21:11 EST
Subject: [SEL] wooden toys OT
Message-ID: <126.55519e56.2f2a52d7@aol.com>

Paul,

Here is a picture of a wooden bulldozer and truck I made for my son 25 years 
ago.  Bulldozer for one year and the truck the next, both for Xmas.  The dozer 
I had seen in a magazine and modified to suit, and the truck was own design.  
Probably should have used wood for the wheels, but plastic was easy to come 
by.  Wheels (hidden) also under the dozer.  They were fun projects.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/bulldozer.jpg

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jan 27 06:51:50 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:51:50 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
References: <3k70kp$mebq2c@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net><41F84EF3.7050500@scrtc.com>
	<026801c5041c$e5a6b3b0$91f83e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV2877DE080A1435C337B218BB780@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the link, Jim..."Chordal Addendum" is a new one for me.  I could 
learn a lot from that chart.  Retention is the prob and I'm a year older 
today.  One more year and I'll draw Guard retirement.  Kathy got me a '69 
Toyota Landcruiser for B'day..got a real nice running 292 Chev engine..looks 
good and ya can see the distributor.  Nice pto winch also...look out 
snow!!!!  Warm and good tunes.

Thanks again!!
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim and Diane" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making


> It seems unlikely to me that early engine people devised a unique gear
> geometry.  This would have been a pretty demanding and expensive 
> undertaking
> and there would have been little if any advantage over what was already
> invented. Almost surely these gears had a 14 1/2 degree pressure angle and
> used an involute curve for the tooth form. There are other PA's in use 
> today
> and unless you are a real gear pro it almost impossible to eyeball 
> different
> pressure angles. There are also other tooth geometries besides involute, 
> the
> drawback is their shape makes them difficult to machine with no gain in
> performance or life.
>
> For gear terms see http://shopswarf.orcon.net.nz/spur.html
>
> Jim
>
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, CA
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
>
>
> > JB,
> >
> >     I've done the same thing several times with good results.  I've
> > found it best to purchase  the crank gear and the cam gear and replace
> > them both.  Some of the old timers had an odd ball pitch on their
> > teeth.  I had a friend who needed a gear made and the guy who cut it for
> > him had to have a special cutter ground to match the other gear.  Some
> > of the real early manufacturers may have ground their own cutters and as
> > a result, it was their own "design".
> >
> > Tommy Turner
> > Magnolia, KY
> >
> >
> >
> > jbcast at charter.net wrote:
> >
> > >>What is the best route to take to get gear(s) made?  One is a
> combination
> > >>i.e. two gears, one casting.  I also need a smaller gear...all 
> > >>straight
> cut
> > >>teeth.  This is for manually traversing the carriage on my ole lathe.
> Could
> > >>the old ones be used for a pattern and is this something Rick Rowlands
> could
> > >>do?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >Rick, get a Boston Gear or Rush Gear catalog, see if the gears are
> available, width may be a little different, the center is adaptable also. 
> On
> my lathe I machined the hub and made a ring gear out of the new gear, 
> heated
> and shrunk it on and pinned it. On the double gear, if only one is bad, 
> bore
> it out amd press it on a shaft, bore the new gear and press it next to it.
> > >J.B. Castagnos
> > >Belle Rose, LA
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >SEL mailing list
> > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>
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> 


From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jan 27 07:03:38 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:03:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Wooden Casting Patterns
In-Reply-To: <003401c50474$0f261a80$83cc940c@mcness.com>
References: <003401c50474$0f261a80$83cc940c@mcness.com>
Message-ID: <41F902CA.7060600@imc-group.com>

Joe,
What engine was made in Rockford, Ill? Stover?
Enough to make you cry isn't it....
Curt

Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote:

>Curt Holland and Group,
>
>About 20 years ago we stayed at a campground South of Rockford ILL. on the Kishwaukee River.  There was a huge mountain of firewood for the taking.  The mountain was made of large and small casting patterns.  There were large pulleys and flywheels.  Also smaller levers, valves etc.  I wanted to fill our camper with some of these patterns when we left but my wife would have no part of it.  
>
>  
>



From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jan 27 07:04:36 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:04:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
Message-ID: <20050127.101405.812.3.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Rick,

Got the sites.

JB brought up a point that I would've never thought of.
Pre-made - or - standard gears.

Sorta like bearings.  Every time I need a bearing and it's not available
at my local NAPA,
I go to Gipson Bearing  and get one by measurments.

Thanks.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jan 27 07:51:16 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:51:16 -0700
Subject: [SEL] wooden toys OT
References: <126.55519e56.2f2a52d7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV15A2007BB3098473714E25BB780@phx.gbl>

Pure CLASS, Tom.  Here's what my son teachs in HS wood shop.  No class, but 
purdy kewl!

http://community.webshots.com/album/260857117XktamO

yea, it's laser.

What does one use to release the very old glue from grandma's rocking chair? 
I need to replace some spindles?

Please reply directly

RickinMt.
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com





----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 7:21 AM
Subject: [SEL] wooden toys OT


> Paul,
>
> Here is a picture of a wooden bulldozer and truck I made for my son 25 
> years
> ago.  Bulldozer for one year and the truck the next, both for Xmas.  The 
> dozer
> I had seen in a magazine and modified to suit, and the truck was own 
> design.
> Probably should have used wood for the wheels, but plastic was easy to 
> come
> by.  Wheels (hidden) also under the dozer.  They were fun projects.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/bulldozer.jpg
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Jan 27 08:29:34 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:29:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day OT
In-Reply-To: <01c001c5044b$7196e560$56111bd3@reg>
References: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050126225312.10aec8d0@mail.alltel.net>
	<01c001c5044b$7196e560$56111bd3@reg>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050127112515.10b08010@mail.alltel.net>

At 03:18 AM 1/27/2005, you wrote:
>Jeez! You yanks dont know niffin about wot goes on outside your borders!!
>Reg & Marg Ingold.

Hi Reg,
         Patrick has kindly sent me a video that explains the holiday 
fully. The thing was put out by the Australian Lamb Producers and
the Australia Meat and Livestock Association for Australia Day. I now 
understand fully the importance you folks from down under attach to this 
wonderful day!
         Dave
PS, Hope that you had a good one!
PPS, Patrick's video is on it's way to you as I type!
   



From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Thu Jan 27 08:46:27 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:46:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Wooden Casting Patterns
In-Reply-To: <41F902CA.7060600@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <20050127164627.59650.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com>

Curt

Rockford Engine Works later purchased by Emerson Brantingham was based in
Rockford, IL...They also built engines for Independent Harvester (Plano,
IL).

Some pics of Rockford engines:
http://bailifffamily.com/oldiron/owner.htm

I was at a show last year in IA and a fellow from KY had just picked up a
Crabb engine  along with a set of original wood paterns...pics near the
end of the page:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2004gade4.htm

Steve
--- Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
Joe,
What engine was made in Rockford, Ill? Stover?
Enough to make you cry isn't it....
Curt
 
Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote:
 
Curt Holland and Group,

About 20 years ago we stayed at a campground South of Rockford ILL. on the
Kishwaukee River.  There was a huge mountain of firewood for the taking. 
The mountain was made of large and small casting patterns. 
There were large pulleys and flywheels.  Also smaller levers, valves etc. 
I wanted to fill our camper with some of these patterns when we left but
my wife would have no part of it.  




From ottawa at pa.net  Thu Jan 27 08:51:56 2005
From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:51:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
References: <3k70kp$mebq2c@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net><41F84EF3.7050500@scrtc.com><026801c5041c$e5a6b3b0$91f83e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
	<BAY3-DAV2877DE080A1435C337B218BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1dce01c50490$83ab71e0$88f1cd97@HONDESKTOP>

Happy Birthday to both of us!!  Darn I wish I was your age!!!!

Helen
George L. & Helen S. Myers
The Ottawa Caretakers   ottawa at pa.net
Tel 717-536-3711
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540
http://community.webshots.com/user/doitnowo
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Richard Strobel 
  To: The SEL email discussion list 
  Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 9:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making


  Thanks for the link, Jim..."Chordal Addendum" is a new one for me.  I could 
  learn a lot from that chart.  Retention is the prob and I'm a year older 
  today.  One more year and I'll draw Guard retirement.  Kathy got me a '69 
  Toyota Landcruiser for B'day..got a real nice running 292 Chev engine..looks 
  good and ya can see the distributor.  Nice pto winch also...look out 
  snow!!!!  Warm and good tunes.

  Thanks again!!
  Rick


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Jim and Diane" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
  To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making


  > It seems unlikely to me that early engine people devised a unique gear
  > geometry.  This would have been a pretty demanding and expensive 
  > undertaking
  > and there would have been little if any advantage over what was already
  > invented. Almost surely these gears had a 14 1/2 degree pressure angle and
  > used an involute curve for the tooth form. There are other PA's in use 
  > today
  > and unless you are a real gear pro it almost impossible to eyeball 
  > different
  > pressure angles. There are also other tooth geometries besides involute, 
  > the
  > drawback is their shape makes them difficult to machine with no gain in
  > performance or life.
  >
  > For gear terms see http://shopswarf.orcon.net.nz/spur.html
  >
  > Jim
  >
  > Jim and Diane Kirkes
  > Hemet, CA
  > jd.kirkes at verizon.net
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
  > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
  > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:16 PM
  > Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
  >
  >
  > > JB,
  > >
  > >     I've done the same thing several times with good results.  I've
  > > found it best to purchase  the crank gear and the cam gear and replace
  > > them both.  Some of the old timers had an odd ball pitch on their
  > > teeth.  I had a friend who needed a gear made and the guy who cut it for
  > > him had to have a special cutter ground to match the other gear.  Some
  > > of the real early manufacturers may have ground their own cutters and as
  > > a result, it was their own "design".
  > >
  > > Tommy Turner
  > > Magnolia, KY
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > jbcast at charter.net wrote:
  > >
  > > >>What is the best route to take to get gear(s) made?  One is a
  > combination
  > > >>i.e. two gears, one casting.  I also need a smaller gear...all 
  > > >>straight
  > cut
  > > >>teeth.  This is for manually traversing the carriage on my ole lathe.
  > Could
  > > >>the old ones be used for a pattern and is this something Rick Rowlands
  > could
  > > >>do?
  > > >>
  > > >>
  > > >>
  > > >Rick, get a Boston Gear or Rush Gear catalog, see if the gears are
  > available, width may be a little different, the center is adaptable also. 
  > On
  > my lathe I machined the hub and made a ring gear out of the new gear, 
  > heated
  > and shrunk it on and pinned it. On the double gear, if only one is bad, 
  > bore
  > it out amd press it on a shaft, bore the new gear and press it next to it.
  > > >J.B. Castagnos
  > > >Belle Rose, LA
  > > >
  > > >_______________________________________________
  > > >SEL mailing list
  > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
  > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > _______________________________________________
  > > SEL mailing list
  > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
  > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
  > >
  >
  >
  > _______________________________________________
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  > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From rwenig at telus.net  Thu Jan 27 09:20:45 2005
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:20:45 -0700
Subject: [SEL] wooden toys OT
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV15A2007BB3098473714E25BB780@phx.gbl>
References: <126.55519e56.2f2a52d7@aol.com>
	<BAY3-DAV15A2007BB3098473714E25BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41F922ED.7020908@telus.net>

Hello Rick,
	I would sure like to hear about it if there is a "magic potion" 
available to dissolve old glue to loosen the spindles.
	What I have done is to saw off the broken piece carefully. Then 
carefully drill out the end of the spindle from the good part.

Rupert

Richard Strobel wrote:
> 
> What does one use to release the very old glue from grandma's rocking chair? 
> I need to replace some spindles?
> 
> Please reply directly
> 
> RickinMt.
> Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com
> 
> 




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Jan 26 21:34:58 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:34:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050126225312.10aec8d0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <200501271901.j0RJ1Puh048543@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi Dave,
	Australia Day is our National Day. It celebrates the anniversary of
the landing of Captain Arthur Phillip at Port Jackson (Sydney) in 1788.
There are lots of parties, events, fireworks, drinking, running of engines,
and generally celebrating how great it is to live in Australia :)

BTW. What happens on the 4th of July? It is usually just another miserable
day in the middle of winter here!

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----


At 05:28 AM 1/26/2005, you wrote:
>Happy Australia Day to my fellow Aussies!!!!!
>Patrick M Livingstone

Hi Patrick, What the hell is Australia Day? Is it something like our 4the 
of July? Do you guys down under have a 4th of July?
         Dave
PS, Happy Australia Day--whatever in the hell that is! 





From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jan 27 11:05:51 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:05:51 EST
Subject: [SEL] wooden toys OT
Message-ID: <6b.3d94ec16.2f2a958f@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/27/2005 11:32:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

<< What does one use to release the very old glue from grandma's rocking 
chair? >>

Rick,

Probably a hammer to knock the pieces loose from each other.  What little I 
have dealt with seems to be brittle and you have to scrape/chisel/scratch it 
off or out of the holes of pieces.  I would not know what would dissolve it and 
not harm the wood.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jan 27 11:54:33 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:54:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Wooden Casting Patterns
In-Reply-To: <003401c50474$0f261a80$83cc940c@mcness.com>
References: <003401c50474$0f261a80$83cc940c@mcness.com>
Message-ID: <41F946F9.5010207@scrtc.com>

Joe,

    You may have heard me tell this story before.  When I bought the 
remnants of the Hagan Gas Engine Works from Saunier Brothers in 
Lexington, KY, I got a couple of pickup loads of wooden patterns.  I got 
original cylinder patterns, carb patterns, etc.  One of the guys there 
told me that the year before they had probably 10 times that much that 
they had burned for firewood.  He said there was some great big ones 
with spokes (large flywheel patterns I assume) that they had to chop on 
quite a bit to fit them in the stove.  He said they sure didn't take 
long to burn and didn't give off very good heat.  90 year old (at that 
time) dry wood goes fast! 

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Curt Holland and Group,
>
>About 20 years ago we stayed at a campground South of Rockford ILL. on the Kishwaukee River.  There was a huge mountain of firewood for the taking.  The mountain was made of large and small casting patterns.  There were large pulleys and flywheels.  Also smaller levers, valves etc.  I wanted to fill our camper with some of these patterns when we left but my wife would have no part of it.  
>
>Joe Maurer
>Toadhill Farm
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>




From don.h at wcoil.com  Thu Jan 27 12:26:56 2005
From: don.h at wcoil.com (don)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:26:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] wooden toys OT
References: <6b.3d94ec16.2f2a958f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001901c504ae$8c409330$6401a8c0@shop>

if its old hide glue I think vinegar will let lose it grip
don in ohio----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] wooden toys OT


> In a message dated 1/27/2005 11:32:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:
>
> << What does one use to release the very old glue from grandma's rocking
> chair? >>
>
> Rick,
>
> Probably a hammer to knock the pieces loose from each other.  What little 
> I
> have dealt with seems to be brittle and you have to scrape/chisel/scratch 
> it
> off or out of the holes of pieces.  I would not know what would dissolve 
> it and
> not harm the wood.
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jan 27 03:29:00 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:29:00 +1100
Subject: [SEL] O.T.Test
Message-ID: <200501272028.j0RKSmb4009088@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Just testing to see how long this takes to come back. My emails to the list
seem to take a looooong time to appear at the moment :(
10.28pm

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jan 27 13:00:32 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:00:32 -0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T.Test
References: <200501272028.j0RKSmb4009088@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <006601c504b3$3e7e7860$8c9f0952@no1>

Arrived in England at 9.59 GMT. (I saw it come in!
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:29 AM
Subject: [SEL] O.T.Test


> Just testing to see how long this takes to come back. My emails to the list
> seem to take a looooong time to appear at the moment :(
> 10.28pm
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jan 27 13:32:31 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:32:31 -0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T.Test
References: <200501272028.j0RKSmb4009088@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<006601c504b3$3e7e7860$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <001801c504b7$b69d3710$8c9f0952@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T.Test


> Arrived in England at 9.59 GMT. (I saw it come in!
> Dave Croft

My reply to your post arrived back to me in 29 Minutes @ 10.28 GMT.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:29 AM
> Subject: [SEL] O.T.Test
> 
> 
> > Just testing to see how long this takes to come back. My emails to the list
> > seem to take a looooong time to appear at the moment :(
> > 10.28pm
> > 
> > Patrick M Livingstone
> > Leichhardt NSW
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From todengine at zoominternet.net  Thu Jan 27 14:07:52 2005
From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:07:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
References: <BAY3-DAV26FD5BF1A8449C058EDF22BB870@phx.gbl><001a01c503fa$2c2189f0$0ec19a18@pengy>
	<BAY3-DAV10C617C0DBADDE4E5EA785BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002f01c504bc$a5aa2080$0ec19a18@pengy>

Maybe, maybe not.  Depends upon where the missing teeth are at and if a 
couple of tricks up my sleeve would work.   If it didn't work yes I could 
also make a blank to be machined.

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making


> Rick, wouldn't you have to pour a blank as I have some teeth missing...and 
> then I'd have to have the teeth milled?
>
> Rick
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tod Engine" <todengine at zoominternet.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 3:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
>
>
>> Well I could sure give it a try. They should come out ok if not too awful
>> small.
>>
>> Rick Rowlands
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>> To: "SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:35 AM
>> Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
>>
>>
>> > Howdy again;
>> > What is the best route to take to get gear(s) made?  One is a 
>> > combination
>> > i.e. two gears, one casting.  I also need a smaller gear...all straight
>> > cut teeth.  This is for manually traversing the carriage on my ole 
>> > lathe.
>> > Could the old ones be used for a pattern and is this something Rick
>> > Rowlands could do?
>> >
>> > TIA
>> > RickinMt.
>> >
>> > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc
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From oldengin at udata.com  Thu Jan 27 14:42:15 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:42:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Drill chart OT
In-Reply-To: <41F946F9.5010207@scrtc.com>
References: <003401c50474$0f261a80$83cc940c@mcness.com>
	<41F946F9.5010207@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <41F96E47.8040500@udata.com>

Ok a young lad at work want a drill chart and I was sure one was on the 
net...   BUT where is it? Thanks

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jan 27 14:59:24 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:59:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Drill chart OT
In-Reply-To: <41F96E47.8040500@udata.com>
References: <003401c50474$0f261a80$83cc940c@mcness.com>
	<41F946F9.5010207@scrtc.com> <41F96E47.8040500@udata.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501271757300.42982@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Leroy,

Drill diameters?  Like this perhaps...
http://www.engineersedge.com/drill_sizes.htm

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Leroy C. wrote:

> Ok a young lad at work want a drill chart and I was sure one was on the
> net...   BUT where is it? Thanks



From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Thu Jan 27 15:11:00 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:11:00 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
References: <3k70kp$mebq2c@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net>
	<41F84EF3.7050500@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <00d101c504c5$7891b2d0$f1d40304@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

One more gear comment.  A correctly made gear has rolling action with the
mating gear, there is no sliding or rubbing.   I suppose a gear could be
made with a variety of cutters and finished off with a file.  This kind of
gear would wear pretty bad which maybe is why you need a new one.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making


> JB,
>
>     I've done the same thing several times with good results.  I've
> found it best to purchase  the crank gear and the cam gear and replace
> them both.  Some of the old timers had an odd ball pitch on their
> teeth.  I had a friend who needed a gear made and the guy who cut it for
> him had to have a special cutter ground to match the other gear.  Some
> of the real early manufacturers may have ground their own cutters and as
> a result, it was their own "design".
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> jbcast at charter.net wrote:
>
> >>What is the best route to take to get gear(s) made?  One is a
combination
> >>i.e. two gears, one casting.  I also need a smaller gear...all straight
cut
> >>teeth.  This is for manually traversing the carriage on my ole lathe.
Could
> >>the old ones be used for a pattern and is this something Rick Rowlands
could
> >>do?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >Rick, get a Boston Gear or Rush Gear catalog, see if the gears are
available, width may be a little different, the center is adaptable also. On
my lathe I machined the hub and made a ring gear out of the new gear, heated
and shrunk it on and pinned it. On the double gear, if only one is bad, bore
it out amd press it on a shaft, bore the new gear and press it next to it.
> >J.B. Castagnos
> >Belle Rose, LA
> >
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Jan 27 15:24:09 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:24:09 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Drill chart OT
References: <003401c50474$0f261a80$83cc940c@mcness.com><41F946F9.5010207@scrtc.com>
	<41F96E47.8040500@udata.com>
Message-ID: <000701c504c7$4dce83f0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

Leroy, Google gives 678.000 items on "Drill Chart"
Lots of charts, drilling tapping etc etc.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl



> Ok a young lad at work want a drill chart and I was sure one was on the 
> net...   BUT where is it? Thanks
> -- 
> C-ya
> 
>   Leroy Clark




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 27 15:55:03 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:55:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] wooden toys OT
References: <126.55519e56.2f2a52d7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001801c504cb$a1daa420$230110ac@PAUL>

BEAUTIFUL!!!!! Tom, these are nice and with your permission I may just make 
a couple for my grandsons. Thanks so much for sending the picture to me. I 
am working on a SUV pulling a small trailer right now.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:21 AM
Subject: [SEL] wooden toys OT


> Paul,
>
> Here is a picture of a wooden bulldozer and truck I made for my son 25 
> years
> ago.  Bulldozer for one year and the truck the next, both for Xmas.  The 
> dozer
> I had seen in a magazine and modified to suit, and the truck was own 
> design.
> Probably should have used wood for the wheels, but plastic was easy to 
> come
> by.  Wheels (hidden) also under the dozer.  They were fun projects.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/bulldozer.jpg
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 27 15:51:04 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:51:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Iron in Alaska
References: <BAY3-DAV7733235BC8F25EF765C31BB870@phx.gbl>
	<00e601c503ed$cd559e40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
Message-ID: <025901c504cb$1082b1c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>

Wait ,  that's the Ross Ice shelf , wrong pole ,  just dont bother running
off down there.
They blow it all up at the end of the movie .

>  Saw a vertical  single  just South of  Greenland  in  the opening
sequence
> to AVP last night  too ;-)

> >   It's a neat vhs of a tour thru an old abandoned silver mine.  They had
> to




From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Thu Jan 27 15:07:06 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:07:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day
References: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <006301c504cc$d49b1560$893354d2@cam>

Hi Patrick
              An excellent coverage of your show, it's always great to get
some feedback on what's happening around the traps.
                 Cam
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:28 PM
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day


> Happy Australia Day to my fellow Aussies!!!!!
>
> Our club had a little display today for Australia Day. Pics at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ausday05.html
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>
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From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Thu Jan 27 16:00:42 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:00:42 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day OT
References: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050126225312.10aec8d0@mail.alltel.net>
	<002301c50432$b7e6a870$1bb7ecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <006501c504cc$d5215c60$893354d2@cam>

Hey Kerry, I thought the Aboriginals celebrated  between Jan 1st
and dec 31st.    Cam
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT


> G'Day Dave
> >
> > Hi Patrick, What the hell is Australia Day? Is it something like our
4the
> > of July?
>
> Not really, we celebrate the day the POMS (Captain Cook) landed on these
> shores, yesterday the aborigines celebrated invasion day, well at least
some
> of them got off their backsides for awhile
> Having said that it is a day to remember our heritage, new immigrates
become
> OZ citizens etc
>
> > Do you guys down under have a 4th of July?
>
> Sure do, usually just after the 3rd of July and just before the 5th July
> 8-))
>
>
> >         Dave
> > PS, Happy Australia Day--whatever in the hell that is!
>
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From page at velocitynet.com.au  Thu Jan 27 16:39:53 2005
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:39:53 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day OT
References: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050126225312.10aec8d0@mail.alltel.net><002301c50432$b7e6a870$1bb7ecdc@morris>
	<006501c504cc$d5215c60$893354d2@cam>
Message-ID: <006101c504d1$e1f3e2a0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Thats a bit naughty Cam.

Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT


> Hey Kerry, I thought the Aboriginals celebrated  between Jan 1st
> and dec 31st.    Cam
> Cam and Edwina Grundy
> Kariong
> Gosford   NSW
> Australia
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 4:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT
>
>
> > G'Day Dave
> > >
> > > Hi Patrick, What the hell is Australia Day? Is it something like our
> 4the
> > > of July?
> >
> > Not really, we celebrate the day the POMS (Captain Cook) landed on these
> > shores, yesterday the aborigines celebrated invasion day, well at least
> some
> > of them got off their backsides for awhile
> > Having said that it is a day to remember our heritage, new immigrates
> become
> > OZ citizens etc
> >
> > > Do you guys down under have a 4th of July?
> >
> > Sure do, usually just after the 3rd of July and just before the 5th July
> > 8-))
> >
> >
> > >         Dave
> > > PS, Happy Australia Day--whatever in the hell that is!
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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> >
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 27 17:12:28 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:12:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
In-Reply-To: <00d101c504c5$7891b2d0$f1d40304@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <20050128011228.10542.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com>

Rick,

Why not "rebuild" the missing teeth with JB Weld or some other epoxy before sending it to be used
as a pattern,,,  OR,,, Maybe someone will loan one to use as a pattern.

Alan Bowen  rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
Williamsburg, Michigan


		
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jan 26 05:36:02 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 05:36:02 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Quartzsite, Arizona  --  a few pictures
In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20050126084655.01648c74@mail.accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <200501280112.j0S1CSOr070913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Thanks Doug!
I don't know the owner or even where he's from.  If he shows up again, you'll
get the info.

Rob


 
> Rob, the picture you need identified is a Centaur model G. 
> Looks to be a 26. Any chance of getting the serial number?
> 
> 
>                                                       
>            Doug Tallman                 
>            dtallman at accnorwalk.com                 
>            VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director  
>                Greenwich, OH USA                         



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 27 17:52:36 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:52:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Drill chart OT
References: <003401c50474$0f261a80$83cc940c@mcness.com><41F946F9.5010207@scrtc.com>
	<41F96E47.8040500@udata.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0501271757300.42982@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <003901c504dc$0b389160$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>

http://www.newmantools.com/tech/design.htm


bunch of printable charts here 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jan 27 18:50:06 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:50:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bambi and Nitro Need Your Help!!  (OT)
Message-ID: <1106880606.41f9a85eb45d6@webmail.city-net.com>

OK Folks,

We've all heard the pleas for help in these troubled times.  Everything from
bail for Michael Moore's bodyguard to Tsunami Relief.  Well, here's one more.

You all know Bambi and Nitro.  They frequently show up at engine shows that Dave
& I attend.  They have even been linked with that sordid incident at Portland
that Reggie was involved in.  BTW, the involvement of the sheep and the
kangaroo was never proved.

You may not know that Bambi and Nitro are working really hard to get their
degrees.  And to help pay their college tuition, they dance.  Now here's the rub
(so to speak).  The Gentleman's Club where they dance is up for auction on
eBay.

You heard me right.  "Climax World Famous Gentleman's Club and NUDE Drive Thru
Climax One - Worlds only NUDE Drive Thru"  Is on the block!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4353224520

Now how does this affect Bambi and Nitro you ask?  Well there is this local
"group" that favors bible study and casts a squinty eye at young ladies dancing
to pay for their college tuition.  They are pooling their funds to buy Climax
and turn it into a Tea and Bible Study Room.  Naturally, this will leave Bambi
and Nitro without employment and they'll probably have to leave college and do
who knows what to survive.  Poor things...  They'd bid on the place themselves,
but they can't afford the opening bid of $299,000.

What can YOU do to help?

Since there are a number of you who now enjoy the Seven Day Weekend, you
probably realize that you miss the hurley-burley of the work-a-day world, at
least a little.  Here's your chance!!  Pool your funds and buy Climax!!  You
would save Bambi and Nitro from a fate worse than death (and I'm sure they
would really show their gratitude) and you would have an interesting business
to run!!

Could retirement get any sweeter?  The auction runs until February 24th so you
still have time.  Help make sure that Bambi and Nitro will be able to attend
Portland again!!

Sure do wish I was retired!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Jan 27 19:05:35 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:05:35 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Drill chart OT
In-Reply-To: <41F96E47.8040500@udata.com>
Message-ID: <200501280305.j0S35c2b021378@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leroy C. [mailto:oldengin at udata.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 2:42 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Drill chart OT
> 
> Ok a young lad at work want a drill chart and I was sure one 
> was on the net...   BUT where is it? Thanks


Hi Leroy,
If you need a chart of decimal equivalents that you can print out and stick on
the wall...
http://literature.rustyiron.com





From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Jan 27 19:19:40 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:19:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bambi and Nitro Need Your Help!!  (OT)
In-Reply-To: <1106880606.41f9a85eb45d6@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1106880606.41f9a85eb45d6@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050127221526.10b4f530@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Arnie,
         I just talked to Nick. he said to thank you for the publicity. 
Honsburger talked about the sale earlier tonight on KDKA. I'm in for 
$250,000.00 but need several other backers in order to meet Nick's reserve. 
Can I count on you as a partner? Sure beats looking at NUKES all day!
         Dave
PS, Bambi and Nitro said to say HI!

At 09:50 PM 1/27/2005, you wrote:
>OK Folks,
>
>We've all heard the pleas for help in these troubled times.  Everything from
>bail for Michael Moore's bodyguard to Tsunami Relief.  Well, here's one more.
>
>You all know Bambi and Nitro.  They frequently show up at engine shows 
>that Dave
>& I attend.  They have even been linked with that sordid incident at Portland
>that Reggie was involved in.  BTW, the involvement of the sheep and the
>kangaroo was never proved.
>
>You may not know that Bambi and Nitro are working really hard to get their
>degrees.  And to help pay their college tuition, they dance.  Now here's 
>the rub
>(so to speak).  The Gentleman's Club where they dance is up for auction on
>eBay.
>
>You heard me right.  "Climax World Famous Gentleman's Club and NUDE Drive Thru
>Climax One - Worlds only NUDE Drive Thru"  Is on the block!!
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4353224520
>
>Now how does this affect Bambi and Nitro you ask?  Well there is this local
>"group" that favors bible study and casts a squinty eye at young ladies 
>dancing
>to pay for their college tuition.  They are pooling their funds to buy Climax
>and turn it into a Tea and Bible Study Room.  Naturally, this will leave Bambi
>and Nitro without employment and they'll probably have to leave college and do
>who knows what to survive.  Poor things...  They'd bid on the place 
>themselves,
>but they can't afford the opening bid of $299,000.
>
>What can YOU do to help?
>
>Since there are a number of you who now enjoy the Seven Day Weekend, you
>probably realize that you miss the hurley-burley of the work-a-day world, at
>least a little.  Here's your chance!!  Pool your funds and buy Climax!!  You
>would save Bambi and Nitro from a fate worse than death (and I'm sure they
>would really show their gratitude) and you would have an interesting business
>to run!!
>
>Could retirement get any sweeter?  The auction runs until February 24th so you
>still have time.  Help make sure that Bambi and Nitro will be able to attend
>Portland again!!
>
>Sure do wish I was retired!!
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jan 27 20:16:19 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:16:19 +1100
Subject: [SEL] O.T.Test
In-Reply-To: <200501272028.j0RKSmb4009088@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <200501280416.j0S4GPUS053802@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

The test post arrived back at my inbox at 7.31am! 

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M
Livingstone
Sent: Thursday, 27 January 2005 10:29 PM

Just testing to see how long this takes to come back. My emails to the list
seem to take a looooong time to appear at the moment :(
10.28pm

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/





From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Jan 27 21:09:49 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:09:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T.Test
In-Reply-To: <200501280416.j0S4GPUS053802@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200501272028.j0RKSmb4009088@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<200501280416.j0S4GPUS053802@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050128000410.10affad0@mail.alltel.net>

Patrick, when you stop to think how far that little fother mucker went in 
that time you realize just how fast it was going the whole time!
         Dave
PS, Did you get to eat your meat on Australia Day?
PPS, Does anyone know how THAT particular tradition was started down under?

At 11:16 PM 1/27/2005, you wrote:
>The test post arrived back at my inbox at 7.31am!
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M
>Livingstone
>Sent: Thursday, 27 January 2005 10:29 PM
>
>Just testing to see how long this takes to come back. My emails to the list
>seem to take a looooong time to appear at the moment :(
>10.28pm
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Thu Jan 27 21:42:02 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:42:02 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day OT
References: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050126225312.10aec8d0@mail.alltel.net><002301c50432$b7e6a870$1bb7ecdc@morris><006501c504cc$d5215c60$893354d2@cam>
	<006101c504d1$e1f3e2a0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <000a01c504fc$186d1980$e53354d2@cam>

Sorry Ron
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Page" <page at velocitynet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT


> Thats a bit naughty Cam.
>
> Ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT
>
>
> > Hey Kerry, I thought the Aboriginals celebrated  between Jan 1st
> > and dec 31st.    Cam
> > Cam and Edwina Grundy
> > Kariong
> > Gosford   NSW
> > Australia
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 4:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT
> >
> >
> > > G'Day Dave
> > > >
> > > > Hi Patrick, What the hell is Australia Day? Is it something like our
> > 4the
> > > > of July?
> > >
> > > Not really, we celebrate the day the POMS (Captain Cook) landed on
these
> > > shores, yesterday the aborigines celebrated invasion day, well at
least
> > some
> > > of them got off their backsides for awhile
> > > Having said that it is a day to remember our heritage, new immigrates
> > become
> > > OZ citizens etc
> > >
> > > > Do you guys down under have a 4th of July?
> > >
> > > Sure do, usually just after the 3rd of July and just before the 5th
July
> > > 8-))
> > >
> > >
> > > >         Dave
> > > > PS, Happy Australia Day--whatever in the hell that is!
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From guitronics at comcast.net  Fri Jan 28 01:33:42 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:33:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] How to unglue old furniture joints
Message-ID: <41FA06F6.2010101@comcast.net>

From: Michael P. Koryciak,Flint, Michigan
                    The older furniture, and even some still available 
new used mostly animal "Hide" glue, still used in high-end acoustic guitars.
                     You'll have to get a small, hollow tube (Needle), a 
piece of  Silicone tubing(6' should do it), and  an old tea kettle or 
similar.

                       Drill a hole in the joint, or force the needle 
into the joint,softening the glue with steam as you go. You might get by 
with just a tea kettle, but I think holding heavy,awkward furniture 
above a stove is asking for trouble.

                        Here's a link for the guitar setup:   
http://www.stewmac.com


From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Fri Jan 28 02:29:38 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:29:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day OT
References: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050126225312.10aec8d0@mail.alltel.net><002301c50432$b7e6a870$1bb7ecdc@morris><006501c504cc$d5215c60$893354d2@cam>
	<006101c504d1$e1f3e2a0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <001b01c50524$463a13e0$2685dccb@oemcomputer>

BUT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Page" <page at velocitynet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:39
Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT


> Thats a bit naughty Cam.
>
> Ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT
>
>
> > Hey Kerry, I thought the Aboriginals celebrated  between Jan 1st
> > and dec 31st.    Cam
> > Cam and Edwina Grundy
> > Kariong
> > Gosford   NSW
> > Australia
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 4:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT
> >
> >
> > > G'Day Dave
> > > >
> > > > Hi Patrick, What the hell is Australia Day? Is it something like our
> > 4the
> > > > of July?
> > >
> > > Not really, we celebrate the day the POMS (Captain Cook) landed on
these
> > > shores, yesterday the aborigines celebrated invasion day, well at
least
> > some
> > > of them got off their backsides for awhile
> > > Having said that it is a day to remember our heritage, new immigrates
> > become
> > > OZ citizens etc
> > >
> > > > Do you guys down under have a 4th of July?
> > >
> > > Sure do, usually just after the 3rd of July and just before the 5th
July
> > > 8-))
> > >
> > >
> > > >         Dave
> > > > PS, Happy Australia Day--whatever in the hell that is!
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From guitronics at comcast.net  Fri Jan 28 02:32:22 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:32:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A More Direct link to the Steamer w/Pics...to remove old glue
Message-ID: <41FA14B6.6090807@comcast.net>

From: Michael P. Koryciak, Fli8nt, Michigan-

            Here's a more precise link (you won't have to look around 
the site).

                   
http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tools/Special_tools_for:_Neck,_fingerboard/1/Neck_Joint_Steamer/Pictures.html#details 



From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Fri Jan 28 02:31:48 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:31:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day OT
References: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050126225312.10aec8d0@mail.alltel.net><002301c50432$b7e6a870$1bb7ecdc@morris><006501c504cc$d5215c60$893354d2@cam><006101c504d1$e1f3e2a0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
	<000a01c504fc$186d1980$e53354d2@cam>
Message-ID: <003101c50524$9436ad60$2685dccb@oemcomputer>

That was a real sincere reply.I can just tell.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 4:42
Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT


> Sorry Ron
> Cam and Edwina Grundy
> Kariong
> Gosford   NSW
> Australia
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Page" <page at velocitynet.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT
>
>
> > Thats a bit naughty Cam.
> >
> > Ron
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:00 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT
> >
> >
> > > Hey Kerry, I thought the Aboriginals celebrated  between Jan 1st
> > > and dec 31st.    Cam
> > > Cam and Edwina Grundy
> > > Kariong
> > > Gosford   NSW
> > > Australia
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
> > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 4:40 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT
> > >
> > >
> > > > G'Day Dave
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Patrick, What the hell is Australia Day? Is it something like
our
> > > 4the
> > > > > of July?
> > > >
> > > > Not really, we celebrate the day the POMS (Captain Cook) landed on
> these
> > > > shores, yesterday the aborigines celebrated invasion day, well at
> least
> > > some
> > > > of them got off their backsides for awhile
> > > > Having said that it is a day to remember our heritage, new
immigrates
> > > become
> > > > OZ citizens etc
> > > >
> > > > > Do you guys down under have a 4th of July?
> > > >
> > > > Sure do, usually just after the 3rd of July and just before the 5th
> July
> > > > 8-))
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >         Dave
> > > > > PS, Happy Australia Day--whatever in the hell that is!
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > SEL mailing list
> > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 28 04:16:14 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:16:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Charlie called
Message-ID: <002401c50533$2e4964c0$230110ac@PAUL>

Just got this GREAT NEWS from Charlie Bryant's sister and wanted to quickly 
share it with all, Charlie appreciates all of your prayers and thoughts and 
said your prayers brought him through all of this.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard R Allen" <gramps16 at juno.com>
To: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 7:42 PM
Subject: Charlie called


> Hello ,
> Charlie called few minutes ago. The procedure went well --this was done
> in preparation for the Monday doings regarding the pace maker leads. He
> said to thank you for your prayers and that they worked! He was having to
> be flat with pressure on the groin so not too easy to talk. It was 7:15PM
> when he came back to his room.
>
> Our thanks as well.
> Sister, Lois     PS I told him you were setting time apart to pray for
> him
> 




From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jan 28 05:34:21 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:34:21 EST
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making
Message-ID: <8.60e6336a.2f2b995d@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/27/2005 6:48:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jd.kirkes at verizon.net writes:

<<  I suppose a gear could be
 made with a variety of cutters and finished off with a file >>


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14325&item=4959475155&r
d=1

I noted the above ebay item and did not know what it was.  After it sold, I 
contacted the buyer and he explained it to me it was a tool used by watchmakers 
to round(form) the ends of gear teeth that had been cut with a straight 
cutter.  The teeth were cut to the proper pitch on the blank gear with a straight 
cutting tool and then "rounded" with this mechanism.  A very rare piece he 
added.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Jan 28 06:38:42 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:38:42 EST
Subject: [SEL] A More Direct link to the Steamer w/Pics...to remove old
	glue
Message-ID: <13c.bb420f3.2f2ba872@aol.com>

Hi Michael,
Thanks for the source of guitar repair stuff.  I have an old Gretsch F hole 
that needs some work and this source should provide the right materials.
Regards,
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia, 
at the Eastern Maytag Haven,
Where the Sons of Newton Secretly Meet,
to Counter the Evil Dave and the Novo Boy of the Frozen North,
who would seek to maintain the bimbos, Nitro and
Bambi, in their bonds of academic serfdom.
Next Meeting: Tues. at 8:00 PM

In a message dated 1/28/2005 5:55:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
guitronics at comcast.net writes:
From: Michael P. Koryciak, Fli8nt, Michigan-

            Here's a more precise link (you won't have to look around 
the site).

                   
http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tools/Special_tools_for:_Neck,_fingerboard/1/Neck_
Joint_Steamer/Pictures.html#details 


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jan 28 07:51:57 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:51:57 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy question
Message-ID: <20050128.075158.180.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
I am doing some work on my 7hp Economy and need to make a new dial on the
fuel mixture needle.  Could someone tell me the correct diameter, and
what kind of marks does it have on the face?  Numbers or just a line? 
Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside California USA
http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/


From jnyost at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 28 08:22:54 2005
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:22:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Drill chart OT
In-Reply-To: <41F96E47.8040500@udata.com>
Message-ID: <20050128162255.37036.qmail@web40621.mail.yahoo.com>

LC,

Try this: www.korit.com/tapndrill.htm


Jim




--- "Leroy C." <oldengin at udata.com> wrote:

> Ok a young lad at work want a drill chart and I was
> sure one was on the 
> net...   BUT where is it? Thanks
> 
> -- 
> 		C-ya
> 
> 		  Leroy Clark
> 
> "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by
> what we give."
>             W.A. NANCE
> 
> 
> better look here---
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


=====
Jim and Janna Yost
Utica, Ohio
USA
jnyost at yahoo.com


		
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jan 28 11:31:26 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:31:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T.Test
In-Reply-To: <200501280416.j0S4GPUS053802@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200501272028.j0RKSmb4009088@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<200501280416.j0S4GPUS053802@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <40260.165.206.180.118.1106940686.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

On the 26th?

The issue is the difference in rotational angles and gravity on the bottom
of a sphere.
It's harder for the electrons in your messages to go up hill to the US.
Electrons have mass and gravity is working on them in their struggle to
get up here.

Of course, messages sent from here go downhill to get to you so take only
seconds.

Bill


>>> The test post arrived back at my inbox at 7.31am!
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M
> Livingstone
> Sent: Thursday, 27 January 2005 10:29 PM
>
> Just testing to see how long this takes to come back. My emails to the
> list
> seem to take a looooong time to appear at the moment :(
> 10.28pm
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
<<


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Fri Jan 28 11:49:37 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:49:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A More Direct link to the Steamer w/Pics...to remove old
	glue
In-Reply-To: <13c.bb420f3.2f2ba872@aol.com>
References: <13c.bb420f3.2f2ba872@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BE2436B4-7165-11D9-B62B-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Go to http://frets.com/ and study the repair info there thoroughly 
before you do anything like that. Frank Ford's very helpful. He also is 
a moderator on http://guitarists.net forums. Make sure that's not a 
"collector's" guitar! Fixing them up can ruin their value if it's not 
done exactly right.

Also, get acquainted with the Musical Instrument Makers' Forum at: 
http://mimf.com/

John

On Jan 28, 2005, at 9:38 AM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote:

> Hi Michael,
> Thanks for the source of guitar repair stuff.  I have an old Gretsch F 
> hole
> that needs some work and this source should provide the right 
> materials.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 28 14:00:06 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:00:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT    AS568A STD sized O-rings
Message-ID: <004701c50584$bad57360$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>

Anybody buy this stuff in Buna , in  bulk ?  You know the little guys
numbered  010,011,012 etc Everyone and his brother makes em but they want
aerospace prices for auto parts .And it's like a digging for a carb needle
in the bolt bucket . I keep all sizes up past the 300 's  and  am looking
for a new manufacturer/ supplier .


Thanks

Chuck



From page at velocitynet.com.au  Fri Jan 28 17:44:18 2005
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:44:18 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day OT
References: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050126225312.10aec8d0@mail.alltel.net><002301c50432$b7e6a870$1bb7ecdc@morris><006501c504cc$d5215c60$893354d2@cam><006101c504d1$e1f3e2a0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><000a01c504fc$186d1980$e53354d2@cam>
	<003101c50524$9436ad60$2685dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000f01c505a4$0deba690$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

So can I.

Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT


> That was a real sincere reply.I can just tell.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 4:42
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT
>
>
> > Sorry Ron
> > Cam and Edwina Grundy
> > Kariong
> > Gosford   NSW
> > Australia
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Page" <page at velocitynet.com.au>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT
> >
> >
> > > Thats a bit naughty Cam.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
> > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:00 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hey Kerry, I thought the Aboriginals celebrated  between Jan 1st
> > > > and dec 31st.    Cam
> > > > Cam and Edwina Grundy
> > > > Kariong
> > > > Gosford   NSW
> > > > Australia
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
> > > > To: "The SEL email discussion list"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 4:40 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia Day OT
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > G'Day Dave
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Patrick, What the hell is Australia Day? Is it something like
> our
> > > > 4the
> > > > > > of July?
> > > > >
> > > > > Not really, we celebrate the day the POMS (Captain Cook) landed on
> > these
> > > > > shores, yesterday the aborigines celebrated invasion day, well at
> > least
> > > > some
> > > > > of them got off their backsides for awhile
> > > > > Having said that it is a day to remember our heritage, new
> immigrates
> > > > become
> > > > > OZ citizens etc
> > > > >
> > > > > > Do you guys down under have a 4th of July?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sure do, usually just after the 3rd of July and just before the
5th
> > July
> > > > > 8-))
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >         Dave
> > > > > > PS, Happy Australia Day--whatever in the hell that is!
> > > > >
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 28 17:55:35 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 01:55:35 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Economy question
In-Reply-To: <20050128.075158.180.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F29871DB12F39229AB4886EC87A0@phx.gbl>

Hi Ron,

I went out and checked the wifes 7hp and the dial is 1.25 inches in diameter 
and is .25 inches thick.  It doesn't have any lines or numbers on it. It 
does have serrations on the outside of it which is shown in the picture.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/needle_valve.jpg

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
=========================

>From: Ron D Haskell <rdhaskell at juno.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] Economy question
>Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:51:57 -0800
>
>Hi all.
>I am doing some work on my 7hp Economy and need to make a new dial on the
>fuel mixture needle.  Could someone tell me the correct diameter, and
>what kind of marks does it have on the face?  Numbers or just a line?
>Thanks.
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside California USA
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/




From rwenig at telus.net  Fri Jan 28 17:12:46 2005
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:12:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT    AS568A STD sized O-rings
In-Reply-To: <004701c50584$bad57360$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
References: <004701c50584$bad57360$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
Message-ID: <41FAE30E.6040004@telus.net>

Hello Chuck,
	Have you tried "Apple Rubber Products"?

Rupert

kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote:

> Anybody buy this stuff in Buna , in  bulk ?  You know the little guys
> numbered  010,011,012 etc Everyone and his brother makes em but they want
> aerospace prices for auto parts .And it's like a digging for a carb needle
> in the bolt bucket . I keep all sizes up past the 300 's  and  am looking
> for a new manufacturer/ supplier .
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Chuck
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 




From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jan 28 18:25:22 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:25:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Australia Day OT
In-Reply-To: <000f01c505a4$0deba690$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
References: <200501262134.j0QLYkQZ087992@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050126225312.10aec8d0@mail.alltel.net>
	<002301c50432$b7e6a870$1bb7ecdc@morris>
	<006501c504cc$d5215c60$893354d2@cam>
	<006101c504d1$e1f3e2a0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
	<000a01c504fc$186d1980$e53354d2@cam>
	<003101c50524$9436ad60$2685dccb@oemcomputer>
	<000f01c505a4$0deba690$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050128212320.10d145d8@mail.alltel.net>

I think Cam was very contrite! You guys just don't know a sincere apology 
when you hear/see one!
         Dave

At 08:44 PM 1/28/2005, you wrote:
>So can I.
>
>Ron
> > That was a real sincere reply.I can just tell.
> > EDD PAYNE


> > > Sorry Ron
> > > Cam



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 28 19:21:19 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:21:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Latest news On Charlie Bryant
Message-ID: <009301c505b1$9c433e50$230110ac@PAUL>

Just got the latest report from Charlie's sister and Charlie is counting on 
all of us to pray him through these procedures. Thanks to all who have 
lifted Charlie up to the Lord during these trying times in his life.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard R Allen" <gramps16 at juno.com>
To: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:56 PM
Subject: Friday eve


> Hello again,
> Hung up from talking with Charles about an hour ago. He seems to be doing
> very well . The DR was pleased as to how well things went yesterday and
> the heart sound was better. The Pacemaker leads removal may not take
> place until Tuesday.  Please pray they will be easily removed and that no
> infection shows on them. He will probably  be there a few days following
> that and then return home for a month. He has decided to have the valve
> replacement done there at Massachusetts General  and not in Maine. I read
> your e-mail to him. He appreciates the prayers . Continue to pray him
> through !! A  BIG thanks!!
> Sister,
> Lois             PS  9 above here tonight.
> 




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jan 28 19:23:44 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:23:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy question
Message-ID: <20050128.192346.276.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks for the measurement and the picture Luke.  That is  exactly what I
needed.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 01:55:35 +0000 "Luke Tonneberger"
<flywheelin at hotmail.com> writes:
> Hi Ron,
> 
> I went out and checked the wifes 7hp and the dial is 1.25 inches in 
> diameter 
> and is .25 inches thick.  It doesn't have any lines or numbers on 
> it. It 
> does have serrations on the outside of it which is shown in the 
> picture.
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/needle_valve.jpg
> 
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Jan 28 21:15:48 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:15:48 EST
Subject: [SEL] Valve Facing Grinder Coolant Fluid
Message-ID: <6.3d839768.2f2c7604@aol.com>

I finished building my roll around table for my newly acquired  Black & 
Decker valve face grinder with coolant pump.  Since I  don't have the instruction 
book for it, I need to know what kind of coolant  fluid to use.  I have been 
told that soluble oil or Marvel Mystery oil can  be used.  Anyone have the 
correct answer or is a matter of personal choice?   

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 



From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Jan 28 22:03:02 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 01:03:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Valve Facing Grinder Coolant Fluid
References: <6.3d839768.2f2c7604@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002701c505c8$31ede700$9a1117d1@net.telenet.net>

Basically anything they can carry away the heat and grinder residue
works fine.

Castrol Clearedge 6519 is what I'm using on most tools. Mixed at 7%
seems to work good and has a long life.

Steve Williams

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 12:15 AM
Subject: [SEL] Valve Facing Grinder Coolant Fluid


> I finished building my roll around table for my newly acquired  Black
&
> Decker valve face grinder with coolant pump.  Since I  don't have the
instruction
> book for it, I need to know what kind of coolant  fluid to use.  I
have been
> told that soluble oil or Marvel Mystery oil can  be used.  Anyone have
the
> correct answer or is a matter of personal choice?
>
> Francis Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jan 29 04:49:32 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:49:32 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Quartzsite, Arizona  --  a few pictures
In-Reply-To: <200501260213.j0Q2DPUl025848@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <20050129124928.SURK29740.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@psmam11.bigpond.com>

Nice pics Rob. I especially like the 4hp R&V (no surprise there). It almost
gets me inspired enough to do some more work on my 4hp ;)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----


Both for your browsing pleasure:
 
http://engines.rustyiron.com/quartz05
 
http://wapa.us/shows/quartz05
 
 




From nick at holden1.net  Sat Jan 29 05:10:10 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:10:10 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] Valve Facing Grinder Coolant Fluid
References: <6.3d839768.2f2c7604@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41FB8B32.000003.01976@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Hi i find Morris Lubricants  Metcut works very well 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: FRM8198 at aol.com
Date: 01/29/05 05:30:22
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Valve Facing Grinder Coolant Fluid
 
I finished building my roll around table for my newly acquired  Black &
Decker valve face grinder with coolant pump.  Since I  don't have the
instruction
book for it, I need to know what kind of coolant  fluid to use.  I have been
told that soluble oil or Marvel Mystery oil can  be used.  Anyone have the
correct answer or is a matter of personal choice?
 
Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, CA
 
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 

From wmrohrer at myactv.net  Sat Jan 29 05:56:25 2005
From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:56:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Beiler's sale bill
Message-ID: <200501291356.j0TDuYZT011328@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Dear Follow List people

I will again this year be glad to sent a copy of their up coming sale bill.

The dates of the sale are February 24 & 25, 2005

I will send it as a jpeg file.

Please email me off list 

You may pass this on to the other ATIS list.

 

LEAGAL STUFF

The only connection with this sale I have with this auction is I am good
friends with John Beiler.

I do this as a favor for them and I get nothing in return from them.

 

Thanks   

Mike

 

Mike Rohrer

Smithsburg, Maryland USA

Collector of Antique Farm Literature

Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------

If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have!

Willie Rohrer 1917-2000

____________________________________________________________________________
____

 



From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 29 06:29:19 2005
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:29:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT gear making in brief
Message-ID: <20050129142919.66773.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com>

Making gears, brief summary

Gear tooth geometry for the most part is a nightmare from the
perspective of a mathematician, but a piece of cake for a machinist. I
have my feet planted in both fields and have looked at gear tooth
design from both perspectives. From a real-world practical standpoint I
could care less about the actual mathematics of a gear tooth shape
because knowing the math of its shape is not necessary for generating
that shape, just as I don?t have to have any knowledge of parabolic
curve equations to be able to throw a rock! 

The way that the commonly used involute gear tooth shape is generated
is done quite simply by the interaction of two mating parts rotating in
the way in which they are to be used. The result is that the correct
and exact curved surfaces on the gear teeth are formed naturally. It is
nowhere near as simple for a mathematician to figure this out and then
draw a picture, and in their words, the machinist?s method is ?elegant?
compared to theirs. The name of the shape is ?involute?, but unlike the
parabolic curve or the circle where there is only one such shape for
each of those (and consequently makes them unique), the involute curve
is actually a whole series of curves that gradually transition in
one-tooth increments from the truly straight-sided triangular teeth
(with the tips cut off) of the flat rack gear to the theoretical
minimum two-toothed pinion gear whose pair of opposed teeth have highly
curved contact surfaces that engage the teeth of a flat gear rack. The
flat gear rack can be thought of as a gear with lots of teeth and a
huge diameter, and in fact on gears with a very great number of teeth,
the teeth are very nearly the same shape as the triangular rack gear
teeth. By the way, one-tooth gears exist and are quite common, they are
called single-helix worms and they run on a worm gear, but that is
cheating because the profile of the worm tooth is the same as a flat
gear rack tooth! A single helix worm is considered a one-tooth gear
because its mating gear advances one tooth per revolution of the worm.
Worms can have more than one helix, though, just like a threaded rod
can have more than one helix cut on it (multiple helix threaded parts
are most commonly used for the screw lids on jars where the engagement
has to be great but the number of turns to unscrew it needs to be few
to save motion).

Gear teeth can be any form you want as long as it is physically
possible for them to mesh. A common everyday non-involute example we
all know is where the teeth are roughly pyramidal on one of the gear
wheels and circular humps on its mating part, which in practice is the
ordinary bicycle sprocket gear and roller chain. The roller chain is
just a long flexible gear and when made into a perfect circle it still
works just fine with its sprocket gear, it fits equally well both
inside and outside! Another non-involute form is the so-called silent
chain used for the timing gear train of engines and also for the
transfer-case gearing in a lot of four-wheel-drive vehicles. The silent
chain tooth shape and method of construction are extremely simple, as
well as rather amazing and efficient in operation, and I think highly
underutilized. 

Involute gears are made by several methods, but the only one that does
not involve specially shaped cutters is by shave-cutting the teeth
using a cutting tool that is a flat gear rack in profile (gear rack, as
in the rack-and-pinion gearing used for a lot of steering mechanisms).
This is highly desirable because the involute curve of a tooth is
different for different numbers of teeth. A cutter with the profile for
a ten-tooth gear is useless for cutting a gear with eleven teeth
because the teeth are different shapes. The only time a specific tooth
profile cutter becomes practical for gears with different number of
teeth is when the number of teeth on a gear becomes very large, which
is when tooth shape begins to approach the flat-sided pyramid shape of
the flat gear rack. For gears with large numbers of teeth a cutter can
be used for a specific range of teeth, one size cutter say for gears
with 24 and 25 teeth,  another for 26, 27, and 28 teeth, another for
29, 30, 31, and 32 teeth, etc., the range increasing as the number of
teeth gets larger. For shave cutting with a gear rack-shaped cutter,
the round gear blank is first ?gashed?, which is where the blank is
indexed for the number of teeth it will have by removing most of the
metal between the teeth by sawing or milling. Next, with the gear blank
laying on its side while the gashed slots are rotated in perfect time
with the rack-shaped cutter teeth, the gashed blank is fed under the
rack-shaped cutter, which is also laying on its side. When the
rack-shaped cutter moves down, its teeth mesh at full depth into the
slots gashed into the blank, and the excess metal between the blank
teeth is shaved off by the sharpened side of the rack. The rack is
moved the same way you would drag a comb down the side of a round
biscuit of soft clay so its teeth scrape grooves into it. The gashed
blank is fed in another tiny increment while also being rotated in
time, and then the rack-shaped cutter moves down again, taking off
another small shaving. After the gashed blank has been fed one complete
revolution in time with the rack-shaped cutter, while also having
dozens or even hundreds of downward strokes performed to shave off
unwanted material, it now has its teeth properly formed with the
involute curve. There were no special levers, arms, linkages, cams, or
any other mind-boggling Rube Goldberg contraptions used. The gear
rack-shaped cutter will cut every and all number of gear teeth on any
size gear using that size and shape of tooth profile. All that is
needed for generating the involute curve are a rack-shaped cutter,
which is extraordinarily simple to make, and a method for timing the
rotation between the gashed biscuit blank and the cutter. Another gear
cutting method based on the rack is gear hobbing using a cutting tool
called a hob. The hob is a round cutter with gear rack-shaped teeth
that cuts by being rotated instead of being moved linearly and is the
same basic design shape as a thread-cutting tap. A hob that is
positioned correctly with an accurately-gashed gear blank is
self-timing in very thin gears and automatically rotates the gear blank
as it is fed in from the side, the angled teeth grabbing and rotating
the work piece as it turns. The flat gear rack teeth can have any
amount of truncation and angle of triangle you want, within reason set
by the physical limitations of the parts that mesh with it. Half of the
angle between the legs of the triangular rack teeth is one definition
of the gear tooth pressure angle, and the angle most commonly used for
gears with large numbers of teeth is 14.5 degrees. Gears with few teeth
use 20? or 25? to avoid thin tooth roots from gear tooth tip motion
that requires clearance that ?undercuts? into the root of the gear
tooth. The 14.5? angle was very specifically chosen because the sine of
14.5 degrees is extremely close to 0.25 (0.25038 to be exact), making
the measurement calculations for machining the gear rack very easy (in
fact, the 14.5? gear tooth pressure angle is in reality 14.478? because
the actual sine value used is 0.25000, not 0.25038, but in the real
world that value in its application is so close to 14.5? that there is
no meaningful difference between the two angles). A pressure angle of
20? is also very common in gears with a large number of teeth,
especially in German machinery, or for gears made from very soft
materials. As the pressure angle is increased the force pushing the
gears apart increases, so if the squat blunt teeth of a shallow
pressure angle are used, then a great deal of force is generated
pushing the gears apart and it unnecessarily tears up the bearings
supporting the gears. A pressure angle of 30? is occasionally found,
and it is the result of the gears being hobbed using an ordinary
threading tap! The thread tap-hobbed 30? pressure-angle teeth are very
blunt and come to sharp points, which are only good for light torque
loads. 

Sprocket gears used with roller chains are another example where the
shape of one of the parts is used to generate the other. Sprockets are
cut by advancing a round cutter into a gear blank that is rotated in
time with it. The round cutter travels the same path as a roller in the
roller chain and therefore cuts out the shape of its contact path. 

The silent chain used for timing in a lot of engines is an example
where there are no special curves or oddball calculations needed! The
geometry of the links eliminates all of that. Another feature that is
peculiar to silent chain is that the lengthening of pitch from wear is
self-compensating because as the chain is re-tensioned it climbs
outward on the gear teeth, where the pitch is greater. Because of this
they are good where rotational velocity needs to be very uniform,
making it perfect for running camshafts that have the ignition timing
attached. They are also good for tank tracks where high speed
chattering from a mis-matched pitch between the track and drive
sprocket caused by excessive wear would be a problem. 

Hypoid and other gears with compound curved teeth and odd-angle contact
seem to be a real puzzler about how they are cut, but again the motions
needed to form the contact paths are generated while being cut by
timing the cutters with the rotation of the gear blanks. 

Standardized gear tooth sizes are determined by making the generator
flat gear rack with tooth spacings specified by using a formula based
on pi-inches. One pi-inch is simply 3.14159 inches long. A gear with 20
teeth per pi-inch has the teeth 0.1571 inches apart, or 1/20 of an inch
multiplied by pi.  A gear with three teeth per pi-inch has them 1.0472
inches apart. Instead of calling them teeth per pi-inch it is
abbreviated as a 20-pitch, 9-pitch, or 3-pitch, etc., gear. All gears
with the same size pitch number will all fit each other. So a gear with
127 teeth will fit a 50 tooth gear if they both have the same pitch
number. 

The only special calculations that need to be made for the machining
operations generated by the natural functions of gear tooth contact
paths are for making adequate clearance and minimizing backlash. The
final operation in some gearing is by selecting the gears that fit
together the best because things like minor differences from one
cutting tool to the next can amplify differences that make selected fit
necessary in spite of careful measurement and good machine shop
practice. That is why straight cut spur gears are a favorite where
noise is of no concern since their simplicity in both design and
manufacturing methods produce very precise parts where little or no
matching needs to be done to ensure a good fit. Helical and hypoid
gears introduce angles where the set-up measurements are based on their
tangents, and tiny errors of 1/10,000 inch will introduce
angle-amplified cutting errors of up to 0.020-inch that are totally
unavoidable, even by the best equipment and operators. This is where
custom fitting of parts becomes necessary, and is why automobile
differentials with hypoid ring and pinion gears must be in custom
matched sets.

There is still a lot more to gears and their designs, but this covers
most of the real basics. Simple spur gears can be cut in a home
workshop on an ordinary lathe with some special attachments.

Rich Allen



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Jan 29 07:31:19 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:31:19 EST
Subject: [SEL] Valve Facing Grinder Coolant Fluid
Message-ID: <67.3d624600.2f2d0647@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/29/2005 5:46:49 AM Pacific Standard Time,  
nick at holden1.net and nick at holden1.net recommend using the following  fluids:
 
Morris Lubricants  Metcut (This product is made in the UK - couldn't  find a 
local distributor)


Castrol Clearedge 6519 (I'll have to check on availability on Monday)
 
Thanks for information.
 
 
 
Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jan 29 07:34:54 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:34:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT gear making in brief
In-Reply-To: <20050129142919.66773.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050129142919.66773.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41FBAD1E.7040502@scrtc.com>

Rich,

    I agree with what you say!.....  I have an undergraduate degree in 
engineering and its been a long time since I've seen some of the info 
you discuss.  You do a great job in your explaination.  In the 1970's I 
attended the Bluegrass Steam and Gas Engine Show in Harrodsburg, KY.  I 
had the pleasure of meeting a gentleman who had worked at the Hagan 
Engine Factory.  While he had several years on him, his mind was sharp 
and the hour or so discussion I had with him revealed a wealth of info.  
I remember him telling me about some of the things they did, or the 
"tricks" they pulled before an engine was let out of the factory.  One 
had to do with the cam gears.  Many of the Hagan engines had the cam 
shaft mounted in a off center housing. In order to adjust the cam 
movement (to give it more or less thrust against the cam rollers), the 
housing was twisted.  When this occured it would set the gear off center 
and would cause the teeth to mesh at an angle to one another.  He told 
me that once they got the engine timing, valves, etc. all set at the 
right spot, there would sometimes be gear noise do to the offset mesh.  
They had a simply solution.  They lapped them in.  He said they had a 
mixture of grit and grease that they would allow to go through the gears 
and after a bit (depending on the degree of the offset) the noise would 
lessen and the engine was ready to ship.  Actually they were just 
wearing the teeth in mesh with one another.  I used this once as I had a 
4 HP Famous that had 4 teeth missing from the cam gear.  I built them up 
with brass, did what I thought was a good job of machining them back on 
and then put the gear back on the engine.  Every time it would get to 
the point where the new teeth were I would hear "rump, rump, rump".  I 
got some valve lapping compound and after about 30 minutes of gradually 
applying a couple of tubes through the gears, the noise greatly 
subsided.  Since the brass was a lot softer than the iron gears, most of 
the wear was "lapping" the brass teeth to match the others.  I ran  the 
engine at shows for a couple of years and never had any problems. 

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY





From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 29 09:20:17 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:20:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
Message-ID: <01c501c50626$cf653ed0$230110ac@PAUL>

Does anyone know where I can buy some large wide rubber bands, approximately 3/4" wide by 8" long, maybe 10" long?

Paul


From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Sat Jan 29 09:37:09 2005
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:37:09 +0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
In-Reply-To: <01c501c50626$cf653ed0$230110ac@PAUL>
References: <01c501c50626$cf653ed0$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <pcinv01ebadbfiroabec91be9vaf1bvvod@4ax.com>

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:20:17 -0600, you wrote:

>Does anyone know where I can buy some large wide rubber bands, approximately 3/4" wide by 8" long, maybe 10" long?
>
>Paul

Cut up some inner tubes if they are not required to be too cosmetically 'nice'.

Peter
--
Peter & Rita Forbes
Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk
Web http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jan 29 09:47:25 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:47:25 -0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
Message-ID: <20050129.094726.1320.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Paul.
You might consider cutting your own out of an old inner tube.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:20:17 -0600 "Paul Maples"
<paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> Does anyone know where I can buy some large wide rubber bands, 
> approximately 3/4" wide by 8" long, maybe 10" long?
> 
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From BillMil357 at aol.com  Sat Jan 29 10:01:09 2005
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:01:09 EST
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
Message-ID: <2b.6b97ecd1.2f2d2965@aol.com>

Hey Paul,
 
Can you cut them off an old inner tube, you can cut them any width you want  
and get small or large tube for the length you want.
 
See ya,
 
Bill Miller.


From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Sat Jan 29 13:31:46 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:31:46 -0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
In-Reply-To: <01c501c50626$cf653ed0$230110ac@PAUL>
References: <01c501c50626$cf653ed0$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050129132845.01a5b030@mail.pennswoods.net>

Paul i get bands at the local er in the hospital. You need to over lap them 
and a spot of super glue make the length you want. they are the ones they 
use on your arm when drawing blood.
R Fink
PA




At 09:20 AM 1/29/2005, you wrote:
>Does anyone know where I can buy some large wide rubber bands, 
>approximately 3/4" wide by 8" long, maybe 10" long?
>
>Paul
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Jan 29 10:32:54 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:32:54 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
In-Reply-To: <01c501c50626$cf653ed0$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <20050129183254.72928.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Paul

Try a shop that sells model aeroplane kits: rubber bands about that size used to be used to hold
the wings onto the fuselage in the tissue and dope age.

Regards

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea


 --- Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote: 
> Does anyone know where I can buy some large wide rubber bands, approximately 3/4" wide by 8"
> long, maybe 10" long?
> 
> Paul
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 29 10:46:10 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:46:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
References: <01c501c50626$cf653ed0$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <01fc01c50632$cef74450$230110ac@PAUL>

Thanks to all who have responded so far, if I cannot find any to buy I will 
have to try the inter tube approach.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:20 AM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands


Does anyone know where I can buy some large wide rubber bands, approximately 
3/4" wide by 8" long, maybe 10" long?

Paul
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jan 29 10:45:31 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:45:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bambi and Nitro Need Your Help!!  (OT)
References: <1106880606.41f9a85eb45d6@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV1829689DAB34F6DADA91E9BB7A0@phx.gbl>

Does it have a "Seating Capacity" or a "GVW" like the Mt. ones???

Cheap at half the price!!!

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old_Engine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "Slick Willy" <slick at toltbbs.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 7:50 PM
Subject: [SEL] Bambi and Nitro Need Your Help!! (OT)


> OK Folks,
>
> We've all heard the pleas for help in these troubled times.  Everything 
> from
> bail for Michael Moore's bodyguard to Tsunami Relief.  Well, here's one 
> more.
>
> You all know Bambi and Nitro.  They frequently show up at engine shows 
> that Dave
> & I attend.  They have even been linked with that sordid incident at 
> Portland
> that Reggie was involved in.  BTW, the involvement of the sheep and the
> kangaroo was never proved.
>
> You may not know that Bambi and Nitro are working really hard to get their
> degrees.  And to help pay their college tuition, they dance.  Now here's 
> the rub
> (so to speak).  The Gentleman's Club where they dance is up for auction on
> eBay.
>
> You heard me right.  "Climax World Famous Gentleman's Club and NUDE Drive 
> Thru
> Climax One - Worlds only NUDE Drive Thru"  Is on the block!!
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4353224520
>
> Now how does this affect Bambi and Nitro you ask?  Well there is this 
> local
> "group" that favors bible study and casts a squinty eye at young ladies 
> dancing
> to pay for their college tuition.  They are pooling their funds to buy 
> Climax
> and turn it into a Tea and Bible Study Room.  Naturally, this will leave 
> Bambi
> and Nitro without employment and they'll probably have to leave college 
> and do
> who knows what to survive.  Poor things...  They'd bid on the place 
> themselves,
> but they can't afford the opening bid of $299,000.
>
> What can YOU do to help?
>
> Since there are a number of you who now enjoy the Seven Day Weekend, you
> probably realize that you miss the hurley-burley of the work-a-day world, 
> at
> least a little.  Here's your chance!!  Pool your funds and buy Climax!! 
> You
> would save Bambi and Nitro from a fate worse than death (and I'm sure they
> would really show their gratitude) and you would have an interesting 
> business
> to run!!
>
> Could retirement get any sweeter?  The auction runs until February 24th so 
> you
> still have time.  Help make sure that Bambi and Nitro will be able to 
> attend
> Portland again!!
>
> Sure do wish I was retired!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 29 10:54:57 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:54:57 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
References: <01c501c50626$cf653ed0$230110ac@PAUL>
	<6.1.0.6.0.20050129132845.01a5b030@mail.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <020101c50634$098a6ce0$230110ac@PAUL>

Thanks Rich for the lead, I have a sister-in-law who works at the local 
Medical Center, I will ask her to check this out for me.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Fink Sr" <nancydick at pennswoods.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands


> Paul i get bands at the local er in the hospital. You need to over lap 
> them and a spot of super glue make the length you want. they are the ones 
> they use on your arm when drawing blood.
> R Fink
> PA
>
>
>
>
> At 09:20 AM 1/29/2005, you wrote:
>>Does anyone know where I can buy some large wide rubber bands, 
>>approximately 3/4" wide by 8" long, maybe 10" long?
>>
>>Paul
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jan 29 11:13:20 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:13:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] A More Direct link to the Steamer w/Pics...to remove old
	glue
References: <41FA14B6.6090807@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV30918EDE31B4C50D09401EBB7A0@phx.gbl>

Thanks much..never thot of using a pressure cooker...and I'll find some way 
to hook it to the hypo needle that fits my grease gun.

Take Care,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "lightningrod" <guitronics at comcast.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 3:32 AM
Subject: [SEL] A More Direct link to the Steamer w/Pics...to remove old glue


> From: Michael P. Koryciak, Fli8nt, Michigan-
>
>             Here's a more precise link (you won't have to look around
> the site).
>
>
> http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tools/Special_tools_for:_Neck,_fingerboard/1/Neck_Joint_Steamer/Pictures.html#details
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Jan 29 11:16:20 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:16:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
Message-ID: <20050129.141731.1000.7.jlb94@juno.com>

Large Gum Bands - 

You might try the Produce Dept. of a Super Market. 
I've seen them in the back rooms.
I'm sure they would give you a few. 

We used to buy those at the 5&10 to make sling shots.
Then - they took them off the shelves.

I used to use truck innertubes (and still do) but the newer materials
don't have the 
elasticity of the old ones.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
\/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jan 29 11:43:31 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:43:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making  and rope maker
References: <20050128011228.10542.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV32CDACEA5894E411F938EBBB7A0@phx.gbl>

It would take a lot of time to do that.  Think I'll just send them off to 
the pro's..if the price isn't too bad.

Let me know when Spence get the rope maker money.  I can't open his 
spreadsheet.

Thankspard
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorta O/T..gear making


> Rick,
>
> Why not "rebuild" the missing teeth with JB Weld or some other epoxy 
> before sending it to be used
> as a pattern,,,  OR,,, Maybe someone will loan one to use as a pattern.
>
> Alan Bowen  rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> Williamsburg, Michigan
>
>
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jan 29 11:45:45 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:45:45 -0700
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
References: <20050129.141731.1000.7.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl>

Try Staples, Paul
]
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph L Betz" <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands


> Large Gum Bands - 
> 
> You might try the Produce Dept. of a Super Market. 
> I've seen them in the back rooms.
> I'm sure they would give you a few. 
> 
> We used to buy those at the 5&10 to make sling shots.
> Then - they took them off the shelves.
> 
> I used to use truck innertubes (and still do) but the newer materials
> don't have the 
> elasticity of the old ones.
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
> jlb94 at juno.com
> ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
> \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
> (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 29 11:38:48 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:38:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Repro Novo Water Hopper Cover on eBay
Message-ID: <1107027528.41fbe64830b4a@webmail.city-net.com>

Looks like a nice one.

View this Item on eBay at
http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D3870437059%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1&partner=777701

-----------------------------------------------------------------
ANTIQUE NOVO HIT & MISS GAS ENGINE WATER HOPPER COVER
Item number: 3870437059
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Summary
This is an Iron Casting made from an Original Novo Water Hopper Cover. It fits
any 3 15/16 inch to 4 1/16 inch Hopper Hole. I was told that all 1 cylinder
Novo Hopper Holes from 1 h.p. up to 10 h.p. are the same size. If this isn't
true please email me the facts and Please measure your water hopper before
bidding. 

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 29 11:42:04 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:42:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave)
Message-ID: <1107027724.41fbe70ca8470@webmail.city-net.com>

Hey Dave,

Good news!!  Now you won't need to look for that retarded kid any more.
The seller said it works great!!  You just grab onto those big brass pins...

See ya,  Arnie

----- Forwarded message from fero_ah at city-net.com -----
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-----------------------------------------------------------------
Buzz Coil Tester (Must See)
Item number: 3870483956
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Summary
BUZZ COIL TESTER
This auction is for one buzz coil tester. This tester is built to last, If you
are in to&nbsp;old gas engines that run off &nbsp;a buzz coil and a battery you
need one of these testers. This tester tells you&nbsp;volts as well&nbsp;as
amps, Its one think to have a buzz coil spark but its great to know if its
putting out the&nbsp;right amount of amps because if not it wares out the coil
and over works the battery. This tester comes with direction for operation of
unit.

From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Sat Jan 29 12:00:10 2005
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:00:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] stover  hit and miss parts wanted
Message-ID: <001901c5063d$238026e0$7081a018@satx.rr.com>

I need Stover model W parts.  3 Hp connecting rod and govenor parts especially...email me or call 210-651-6229.

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 29 12:07:22 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:07:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Repro Novo Water Hopper Cover on eBay
Message-ID: <1107029242.41fbecfa6522b@webmail.city-net.com>

Looks like a nice one.

View this Item on eBay at
http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D3870437059%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1&partner=777701

-----------------------------------------------------------------
ANTIQUE NOVO HIT & MISS GAS ENGINE WATER HOPPER COVER
Item number: 3870437059
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Summary
This is an Iron Casting made from an Original Novo Water Hopper Cover. It fits
any 3 15/16 inch to 4 1/16 inch Hopper Hole. I was told that all 1 cylinder
Novo Hopper Holes from 1 h.p. up to 10 h.p. are the same size. If this isn't
true please email me the facts and Please measure your water hopper before
bidding. 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 29 12:08:24 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:08:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave)
Message-ID: <1107029304.41fbed3831f7d@webmail.city-net.com>

Hey Dave,

Good news!!  Now you won't need to look for that retarded kid any more.
The seller said it works great!!  You just grab onto those big brass pins...

See ya,  Arnie

----- Forwarded message from fero_ah at city-net.com -----
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-----------------------------------------------------------------
Buzz Coil Tester (Must See)
Item number: 3870483956
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Summary
BUZZ COIL TESTER
This auction is for one buzz coil tester. This tester is built to last, If you
are in to&nbsp;old gas engines that run off &nbsp;a buzz coil and a battery you
need one of these testers. This tester tells you&nbsp;volts as well&nbsp;as
amps, Its one think to have a buzz coil spark but its great to know if its
putting out the&nbsp;right amount of amps because if not it wares out the coil
and over works the battery. This tester comes with direction for operation of
unit.



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 29 12:11:07 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:11:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl>
References: <20050129.141731.1000.7.jlb94@juno.com>
	<BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1107029467.41fbeddb1b169@webmail.city-net.com>

Rick,  Read the subject.  He wants to use rubber bands not staples.  Arnie

Quoting Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>:

> Try Staples, Paul



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 29 12:20:19 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:20:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
References: <20050129183254.72928.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <023501c5063f$f696c730$230110ac@PAUL>

Thanks Dave for the lead, I will check this out. What does the phrase 
"Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea" stand for?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Everett" <deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands


> Paul
>
> Try a shop that sells model aeroplane kits: rubber bands about that size 
> used to be used to hold
> the wings onto the fuselage in the tissue and dope age.
>
> Regards
>
> Dave
> Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea
>
>
> --- Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:




From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Jan 29 13:31:54 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:31:54 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
In-Reply-To: <023501c5063f$f696c730$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <20050129213154.75239.qmail@web25008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Paul

I work in Saudi Arabia and it is a take off of the quintissential British seaside town name.

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea

 --- Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote: 
> Thanks Dave for the lead, I will check this out. What does the phrase 
> "Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea" stand for?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Everett" <deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 12:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
> 
> 
> > Paul
> >
> > Try a shop that sells model aeroplane kits: rubber bands about that size 
> > used to be used to hold
> > the wings onto the fuselage in the tissue and dope age.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Dave
> > Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea
> >
> >
> > --- Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 29 13:32:52 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:32:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] A More Direct link to the Steamer w/Pics...to remove oldglue
References: <13c.bb420f3.2f2ba872@aol.com>
Message-ID: <008401c5064a$1751a3a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>


> Bambi, in their bonds of academic serfdom.
> Next Meeting: Tues. at 8:00 PM


Serf's up Ron !!!
Somebody just dumped a 1 1/2 Challenge  in the back of my truck . Whataya
know bout that
I was supposed to go out to the junk yard and find that thing a week ago .
Completely stuck with a promising gap around the piston . plug conversion -
mag/ign. gone ,
wanna trade for the Gretsch ?

Chuck



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jan 29 14:36:00 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:36:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave)
In-Reply-To: <1107027724.41fbe70ca8470@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1107027724.41fbe70ca8470@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050129172502.10d45760@mail.alltel.net>

At 02:42 PM 1/29/2005, you wrote:
>Hey Dave,
>Good news!!  Now you won't need to look for that retarded kid any more.
>The seller said it works great!!  You just grab onto those big brass pins...
>See ya,  Arnie
>----- Forwarded message from fero_ah at city-net.com -----
>View this Item on eBay at
>http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D3870483956%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1&partner=777701

Hi Arnie,
         I'm IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For those of you who don't know what the 
hell Arnie is talking about I used to have a retarded kid living next door 
to me. Nice kid, so he was--and very useful. Whenever I needed to test a 
WICO mag, or a HT coil I would invite the kid over for some soda pop. While 
he was in my workshop I would ask him to hold on to two wires and then I 
would trip the mag. I could tell by how high the kid jumped how "hot" the 
mag was. Anything over 6" in the air was hot enough to fire an engine! 
Well, this worked for over 6 years, but several years ago the family moved 
away. I then used other neighborhood kids, but found that you could only 
use them once! This tester will solve my problem once and for all! Thanks 
for the heads up Arnie!
         Dave
PS, I just got back from Wal-Mart. After looking at who parks in the 
handicapped spaces I'm even more convinced that FAT and handicapped ARE NOT 
the same thing!




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jan 29 14:44:10 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:44:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
In-Reply-To: <020101c50634$098a6ce0$230110ac@PAUL>
References: <01c501c50626$cf653ed0$230110ac@PAUL>
	<6.1.0.6.0.20050129132845.01a5b030@mail.pennswoods.net>
	<020101c50634$098a6ce0$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050129173810.10e19680@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Paul,
         You know, when this thread first started I didn't notice the word 
"Bands" in the subject and thought you must just be bragging. Then, upon 
thinking about it, I figured that Dolly could incorporate it into her GEM 
piece this month along with the e-bay sale of The Climax and GEM's 
circulation would go up. However, now I'm just glad that it's working out 
for you!
         Dave
PS, Perhaps I missed it, but what do you intend to use these rubber bands for?

At 01:54 PM 1/29/2005, you wrote:
>Thanks Rich for the lead, I have a sister-in-law who works at the local 
>Medical Center, I will ask her to check this out for me.
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" 
><nancydick at pennswoods.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 3:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
>
>
>>Paul i get bands at the local er in the hospital. You need to over lap 
>>them and a spot of super glue make the length you want. they are the ones 
>>they use on your arm when drawing blood.
>>R Fink
>>PA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 09:20 AM 1/29/2005, you wrote:
>>>Does anyone know where I can buy some large wide rubber bands, 
>>>approximately 3/4" wide by 8" long, maybe 10" long?
>>>
>>>Paul
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jan 29 14:50:07 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:50:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl>
References: <20050129.141731.1000.7.jlb94@juno.com>
	<BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050129174816.10dbd1b0@mail.alltel.net>

At 02:45 PM 1/29/2005, you wrote:
>Try Staples, Paul
>]
>RickinMt.

Hey Rick, The man is looking for rubber bands. If he had been looking for 
staples the subject would have read "OT Need some large Staples"
         Dave 



From shop at cccomm.net  Sat Jan 29 14:59:14 2005
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:59:14 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Webster Holder
References: <20050129.141731.1000.7.jlb94@juno.com><BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050129174816.10dbd1b0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <018401c50656$277acac0$6401a8c0@Shop>


It's been very damp, cold and foggy here so I cranked up the heat in the
shop and built something I've been meaning to do for a long time. I have
several engines that run with Webster magnetos and every time I have to work
on one I end up clamping it in the vise to hold it while trying to trip the
mechanism to check spark, and invariably the thing comes loose and falls
out. So with the cold nasty fog outside I built a bracket to hold them. I
used an old igniter from a Alamo engine, a piece of  4 X 4 angle and mounted
the igniter to the angle. Made a handle and a couple of slides for the push
rod, mounted the trip finger and I was done. Works great, makes me wonder
why I didn't do this years ago. I guess when we get older we eventually get
wiser.........
A couple of pictures of this contraption at
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31617116&f=
Dave





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 29 15:48:02 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:48:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Webster Holder
In-Reply-To: <018401c50656$277acac0$6401a8c0@Shop>
References: <20050129.141731.1000.7.jlb94@juno.com><BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050129174816.10dbd1b0@mail.alltel.net>
	<018401c50656$277acac0$6401a8c0@Shop>
Message-ID: <1107042482.41fc20b231eac@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Dave,

Pretty fancy rig!!  Are you aware of the Webster tripping handles that go over
the right hand pin on the front of the mag?  Makes testing (if you'll pardon
the unintended pun) a snap.  With one of those you don't even need a vice, just
hold the mag/ignitor on the bench with one hand, and trip it with the other.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting Dave Ernst <shop at cccomm.net>:

> It's been very damp, cold and foggy here so I cranked up the heat in the
> shop and built something I've been meaning to do for a long time. I have
> several engines that run with Webster magnetos and every time I have to work
> on one I end up clamping it in the vise to hold it while trying to trip the
> mechanism to check spark, and invariably the thing comes loose and falls
> out. So with the cold nasty fog outside I built a bracket to hold them. I
> used an old igniter from a Alamo engine, a piece of  4 X 4 angle and mounted
> the igniter to the angle. Made a handle and a couple of slides for the push
> rod, mounted the trip finger and I was done. Works great, makes me wonder
> why I didn't do this years ago. I guess when we get older we eventually get
> wiser.........
> A couple of pictures of this contraption at
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31617116&f=




From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jan 29 15:55:48 2005
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:25:48 +1030
Subject: [SEL] OT engine rescuer
Message-ID: <000701c5065e$0e9e3930$e1c68890@chaos>

http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/images/photo118.jpg
 more safety related pics
http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/archive/default.htm



From oldengin at udata.com  Sat Jan 29 17:48:27 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:48:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Drill chart OT
In-Reply-To: <200501280305.j0S35c2b021378@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200501280305.j0S35c2b021378@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <41FC3CEB.4010507@udata.com>

Thanks to everyone who helped me with this issue, I now have him a drill 
chart...

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From guitronics at comcast.net  Sat Jan 29 22:52:00 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:52:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave)
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050129172502.10d45760@mail.alltel.net>
References: <1107027724.41fbe70ca8470@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050129172502.10d45760@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <41FC8410.40108@comcast.net>

Michael P. Koryciak Writes:
                       I'm sure you guys meant no offense....and the 
gist of the joke is kinda funny.

You gotta understand that there are people who read this list that are 
soft-hearted towards those of us born with disabilities.

I'm not demanding anything, nor do I believe in "Politically-Correct" 
speech.

I have a 19-year old stepson who is retarded, sometimes called "Mentally 
Impaired".(PC!).

He's stuck at between 3 and 4 1/2 years old. He also has Cystic Fibrosis 
(CF), and an enzyme deficiency.

He takes a handful of pills every day.Most CF patients never reach 30 
years old.

I love him very much.I'm sure you didn't intend to be hurtful, but I 
only ask that you be a tad more considerate towards other's who may have 
family members, etc. who have these disabilities.  mike



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Jan 30 04:46:36 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:46:36 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Eric Schulz
Message-ID: <003201c506c9$c0ef0450$68cd3dca@ogborneuah38i3>

John ..............try this it may still work .......    Eric Schulz
E-mail Address(es):
  schulzs at netconnect.com.au


Peter Ogborne 
Little Grove ,Albany 
West Australia 
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Jan 30 04:48:52 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:48:52 +0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
References: <01c501c50626$cf653ed0$230110ac@PAUL><6.1.0.6.0.20050129132845.01a5b030@mail.pennswoods.net><020101c50634$098a6ce0$230110ac@PAUL>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050129173810.10e19680@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <003e01c506ca$134a6410$68cd3dca@ogborneuah38i3>

Dave ..........thanks for not letting us down . These rubber questions can 
be quite interesting !
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands


> Hi Paul,
>         You know, when this thread first started I didn't notice the word 
> "Bands" in the subject and thought you must just be bragging. Then, upon 
> thinking about it, I figured that Dolly could incorporate it into her GEM 
> piece this month along with the e-bay sale of The Climax and GEM's 
> circulation would go up. However, now I'm just glad that it's working out 
> for you!
>         Dave
> PS, Perhaps I missed it, but what do you intend to use these rubber bands 
> for?
>
> At 01:54 PM 1/29/2005, you wrote:
>>Thanks Rich for the lead, I have a sister-in-law who works at the local 
>>Medical Center, I will ask her to check this out for me.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" 
>><nancydick at pennswoods.net>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 3:31 PM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need some large Rubber Bands
>>
>>
>>>Paul i get bands at the local er in the hospital. You need to over lap 
>>>them and a spot of super glue make the length you want. they are the ones 
>>>they use on your arm when drawing blood.
>>>R Fink
>>>PA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>At 09:20 AM 1/29/2005, you wrote:
>>>>Does anyone know where I can buy some large wide rubber bands, 
>>>>approximately 3/4" wide by 8" long, maybe 10" long?
>>>>
>>>>Paul
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>SEL mailing list
>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From shop at cccomm.net  Sun Jan 30 06:36:00 2005
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:36:00 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Webster Holder
References: <20050129.141731.1000.7.jlb94@juno.com><BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl><6.1.2.0.0.20050129174816.10dbd1b0@mail.alltel.net><018401c50656$277acac0$6401a8c0@Shop>
	<1107042482.41fc20b231eac@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <01fc01c506d9$0503eb60$6401a8c0@Shop>

Yea, I have one I bought from Ed at Hit & Miss. The metal is so soft that 
the end is worn to the point it will only trip the mag about 25 degrees or 
so. I've been threatening to make one of those too.
Pogonip is back this morning........
Dave



> Hi Dave,
>
> Pretty fancy rig!!  Are you aware of the Webster tripping handles that go 
> over
> the right hand pin on the front of the mag?  Makes testing (if you'll 
> pardon
> the unintended pun) a snap.  With one of those you don't even need a vice, 
> just
> hold the mag/ignitor on the bench with one hand, and trip it with the 
> other.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> Quoting Dave Ernst <shop at cccomm.net>:
>
>> It's been very damp, cold and foggy here so I cranked up the heat in the
>> shop and built something I've been meaning to do for a long time. I have
>> several engines that run with Webster magnetos and every time I have to 
>> work
>> on one I end up clamping it in the vise to hold it while trying to trip 
>> the
>> mechanism to check spark, and invariably the thing comes loose and falls
>> out. So with the cold nasty fog outside I built a bracket to hold them. I
>> used an old igniter from a Alamo engine, a piece of  4 X 4 angle and 
>> mounted
>> the igniter to the angle. Made a handle and a couple of slides for the 
>> push
>> rod, mounted the trip finger and I was done. Works great, makes me wonder
>> why I didn't do this years ago. I guess when we get older we eventually 
>> get
>> wiser.........
>> A couple of pictures of this contraption at
>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31617116&f=
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jan 30 07:01:16 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:01:16 EST
Subject: [SEL] Beiler's sale bill
Message-ID: <1e1.34b4b9b8.2f2e50bc@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/29/2005 9:19:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
wmrohrer at myactv.net writes:

<< I will again this year be glad to sent a copy of their up coming sale 
bill. >>

Mike,

I will take one.  Hope all is well with you.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jan 30 07:13:15 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:13:15 EST
Subject: [SEL] Webster Holder
Message-ID: <1ac.30ce0468.2f2e538b@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/29/2005 6:23:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
shop at cccomm.net writes:

<<  So with the cold nasty fog outside I built a bracket to hold them. I
 used an old igniter from a Alamo engine, a piece of  4 X 4 angle and mounted
 the igniter to the angle >>


Dave,

Nice job on the Webster testing holder.  I think I have an old ignitor 
somewhere that I can rebuild and do the same thing.

Thanks,

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From cjclem at sysim.net  Sun Jan 30 07:24:02 2005
From: cjclem at sysim.net (John Clemens)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:24:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Eric Schulz
In-Reply-To: <003201c506c9$c0ef0450$68cd3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <003201c506c9$c0ef0450$68cd3dca@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <1107098642.41fcfc12864a4@webmail.sysim.net>

I will try it, thank you.  Was that you that was at Portland, IN that I 
showed the book to??  Did you view the pic's I posted on webshots of 
magazine article??  Sure hope someone in your country can at least get 
to see the engine & get pics or obtain engine for show circuit. It 
would be a rare one, made by same company that made Brock's vertical 
White, this one is in 1909 catalog his earlier. Keep in touch, thank 
you. John in cold Minnesota,USAQuoting peter ogborne 
<jopeter at omninet.net.au>:

> John ..............try this it may still work .......    Eric Schulz
> E-mail Address(es):
>   schulzs at netconnect.com.au
> 
> 
> Peter Ogborne 
> Little Grove ,Albany 
> West Australia 
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 





From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Jan 30 08:47:20 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:47:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT gear making in brief
References: <20050129142919.66773.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV31B4506F5BF3A8ADD38771BB7B0@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the advise gang.  I have quite a few options now.

On another note, check this baby out.  This I believe was originally peddled 
or treadled.  "Didn't make any mistakes with that one, I'll bet."


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3778985788&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

and another pix.

http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/page7.html

sic 'em
Rick




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Allen" <linstrum55 at yahoo.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Richard Allen" <linstrum55 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 7:29 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT gear making in brief


> Making gears, brief summary
>
> Gear tooth geometry for the most part is a nightmare from the
> perspective of a mathematician, but a piece of cake for a machinist. I
> have my feet planted in both fields and have looked at gear tooth
> design from both perspectives. From a real-world practical standpoint I
> could care less about the actual mathematics of a gear tooth shape
> because knowing the math of its shape is not necessary for generating
> that shape, just as I don't have to have any knowledge of parabolic
> curve equations to be able to throw a rock!
>
> The way that the commonly used involute gear tooth shape is generated
> is done quite simply by the interaction of two mating parts rotating in
> the way in which they are to be used. The result is that the correct
> and exact curved surfaces on the gear teeth are formed naturally. It is
> nowhere near as simple for a mathematician to figure this out and then
> draw a picture, and in their words, the machinist's method is "elegant"
> compared to theirs. The name of the shape is "involute", but unlike the
> parabolic curve or the circle where there is only one such shape for
> each of those (and consequently makes them unique), the involute curve
> is actually a whole series of curves that gradually transition in
> one-tooth increments from the truly straight-sided triangular teeth
> (with the tips cut off) of the flat rack gear to the theoretical
> minimum two-toothed pinion gear whose pair of opposed teeth have highly
> curved contact surfaces that engage the teeth of a flat gear rack. The
> flat gear rack can be thought of as a gear with lots of teeth and a
> huge diameter, and in fact on gears with a very great number of teeth,
> the teeth are very nearly the same shape as the triangular rack gear
> teeth. By the way, one-tooth gears exist and are quite common, they are
> called single-helix worms and they run on a worm gear, but that is
> cheating because the profile of the worm tooth is the same as a flat
> gear rack tooth! A single helix worm is considered a one-tooth gear
> because its mating gear advances one tooth per revolution of the worm.
> Worms can have more than one helix, though, just like a threaded rod
> can have more than one helix cut on it (multiple helix threaded parts
> are most commonly used for the screw lids on jars where the engagement
> has to be great but the number of turns to unscrew it needs to be few
> to save motion).
>
> Gear teeth can be any form you want as long as it is physically
> possible for them to mesh. A common everyday non-involute example we
> all know is where the teeth are roughly pyramidal on one of the gear
> wheels and circular humps on its mating part, which in practice is the
> ordinary bicycle sprocket gear and roller chain. The roller chain is
> just a long flexible gear and when made into a perfect circle it still
> works just fine with its sprocket gear, it fits equally well both
> inside and outside! Another non-involute form is the so-called silent
> chain used for the timing gear train of engines and also for the
> transfer-case gearing in a lot of four-wheel-drive vehicles. The silent
> chain tooth shape and method of construction are extremely simple, as
> well as rather amazing and efficient in operation, and I think highly
> underutilized.
>
> Involute gears are made by several methods, but the only one that does
> not involve specially shaped cutters is by shave-cutting the teeth
> using a cutting tool that is a flat gear rack in profile (gear rack, as
> in the rack-and-pinion gearing used for a lot of steering mechanisms).
> This is highly desirable because the involute curve of a tooth is
> different for different numbers of teeth. A cutter with the profile for
> a ten-tooth gear is useless for cutting a gear with eleven teeth
> because the teeth are different shapes. The only time a specific tooth
> profile cutter becomes practical for gears with different number of
> teeth is when the number of teeth on a gear becomes very large, which
> is when tooth shape begins to approach the flat-sided pyramid shape of
> the flat gear rack. For gears with large numbers of teeth a cutter can
> be used for a specific range of teeth, one size cutter say for gears
> with 24 and 25 teeth,  another for 26, 27, and 28 teeth, another for
> 29, 30, 31, and 32 teeth, etc., the range increasing as the number of
> teeth gets larger. For shave cutting with a gear rack-shaped cutter,
> the round gear blank is first "gashed", which is where the blank is
> indexed for the number of teeth it will have by removing most of the
> metal between the teeth by sawing or milling. Next, with the gear blank
> laying on its side while the gashed slots are rotated in perfect time
> with the rack-shaped cutter teeth, the gashed blank is fed under the
> rack-shaped cutter, which is also laying on its side. When the
> rack-shaped cutter moves down, its teeth mesh at full depth into the
> slots gashed into the blank, and the excess metal between the blank
> teeth is shaved off by the sharpened side of the rack. The rack is
> moved the same way you would drag a comb down the side of a round
> biscuit of soft clay so its teeth scrape grooves into it. The gashed
> blank is fed in another tiny increment while also being rotated in
> time, and then the rack-shaped cutter moves down again, taking off
> another small shaving. After the gashed blank has been fed one complete
> revolution in time with the rack-shaped cutter, while also having
> dozens or even hundreds of downward strokes performed to shave off
> unwanted material, it now has its teeth properly formed with the
> involute curve. There were no special levers, arms, linkages, cams, or
> any other mind-boggling Rube Goldberg contraptions used. The gear
> rack-shaped cutter will cut every and all number of gear teeth on any
> size gear using that size and shape of tooth profile. All that is
> needed for generating the involute curve are a rack-shaped cutter,
> which is extraordinarily simple to make, and a method for timing the
> rotation between the gashed biscuit blank and the cutter. Another gear
> cutting method based on the rack is gear hobbing using a cutting tool
> called a hob. The hob is a round cutter with gear rack-shaped teeth
> that cuts by being rotated instead of being moved linearly and is the
> same basic design shape as a thread-cutting tap. A hob that is
> positioned correctly with an accurately-gashed gear blank is
> self-timing in very thin gears and automatically rotates the gear blank
> as it is fed in from the side, the angled teeth grabbing and rotating
> the work piece as it turns. The flat gear rack teeth can have any
> amount of truncation and angle of triangle you want, within reason set
> by the physical limitations of the parts that mesh with it. Half of the
> angle between the legs of the triangular rack teeth is one definition
> of the gear tooth pressure angle, and the angle most commonly used for
> gears with large numbers of teeth is 14.5 degrees. Gears with few teeth
> use 20? or 25? to avoid thin tooth roots from gear tooth tip motion
> that requires clearance that "undercuts" into the root of the gear
> tooth. The 14.5? angle was very specifically chosen because the sine of
> 14.5 degrees is extremely close to 0.25 (0.25038 to be exact), making
> the measurement calculations for machining the gear rack very easy (in
> fact, the 14.5? gear tooth pressure angle is in reality 14.478? because
> the actual sine value used is 0.25000, not 0.25038, but in the real
> world that value in its application is so close to 14.5? that there is
> no meaningful difference between the two angles). A pressure angle of
> 20? is also very common in gears with a large number of teeth,
> especially in German machinery, or for gears made from very soft
> materials. As the pressure angle is increased the force pushing the
> gears apart increases, so if the squat blunt teeth of a shallow
> pressure angle are used, then a great deal of force is generated
> pushing the gears apart and it unnecessarily tears up the bearings
> supporting the gears. A pressure angle of 30? is occasionally found,
> and it is the result of the gears being hobbed using an ordinary
> threading tap! The thread tap-hobbed 30? pressure-angle teeth are very
> blunt and come to sharp points, which are only good for light torque
> loads.
>
> Sprocket gears used with roller chains are another example where the
> shape of one of the parts is used to generate the other. Sprockets are
> cut by advancing a round cutter into a gear blank that is rotated in
> time with it. The round cutter travels the same path as a roller in the
> roller chain and therefore cuts out the shape of its contact path.
>
> The silent chain used for timing in a lot of engines is an example
> where there are no special curves or oddball calculations needed! The
> geometry of the links eliminates all of that. Another feature that is
> peculiar to silent chain is that the lengthening of pitch from wear is
> self-compensating because as the chain is re-tensioned it climbs
> outward on the gear teeth, where the pitch is greater. Because of this
> they are good where rotational velocity needs to be very uniform,
> making it perfect for running camshafts that have the ignition timing
> attached. They are also good for tank tracks where high speed
> chattering from a mis-matched pitch between the track and drive
> sprocket caused by excessive wear would be a problem.
>
> Hypoid and other gears with compound curved teeth and odd-angle contact
> seem to be a real puzzler about how they are cut, but again the motions
> needed to form the contact paths are generated while being cut by
> timing the cutters with the rotation of the gear blanks.
>
> Standardized gear tooth sizes are determined by making the generator
> flat gear rack with tooth spacings specified by using a formula based
> on pi-inches. One pi-inch is simply 3.14159 inches long. A gear with 20
> teeth per pi-inch has the teeth 0.1571 inches apart, or 1/20 of an inch
> multiplied by pi.  A gear with three teeth per pi-inch has them 1.0472
> inches apart. Instead of calling them teeth per pi-inch it is
> abbreviated as a 20-pitch, 9-pitch, or 3-pitch, etc., gear. All gears
> with the same size pitch number will all fit each other. So a gear with
> 127 teeth will fit a 50 tooth gear if they both have the same pitch
> number.
>
> The only special calculations that need to be made for the machining
> operations generated by the natural functions of gear tooth contact
> paths are for making adequate clearance and minimizing backlash. The
> final operation in some gearing is by selecting the gears that fit
> together the best because things like minor differences from one
> cutting tool to the next can amplify differences that make selected fit
> necessary in spite of careful measurement and good machine shop
> practice. That is why straight cut spur gears are a favorite where
> noise is of no concern since their simplicity in both design and
> manufacturing methods produce very precise parts where little or no
> matching needs to be done to ensure a good fit. Helical and hypoid
> gears introduce angles where the set-up measurements are based on their
> tangents, and tiny errors of 1/10,000 inch will introduce
> angle-amplified cutting errors of up to 0.020-inch that are totally
> unavoidable, even by the best equipment and operators. This is where
> custom fitting of parts becomes necessary, and is why automobile
> differentials with hypoid ring and pinion gears must be in custom
> matched sets.
>
> There is still a lot more to gears and their designs, but this covers
> most of the real basics. Simple spur gears can be cut in a home
> workshop on an ordinary lathe with some special attachments.
>
> Rich Allen
>
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sun Jan 30 09:47:15 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:47:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT gear making in brief
References: <20050129142919.66773.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com>
	<BAY3-DAV31B4506F5BF3A8ADD38771BB7B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000501c506f3$bcd54440$3e636854@Sixmjohn>


Hi Rick,
I have this machine, it's possible to make gears with it.
One of these days I want to give it a try to make one,
I think it will be a magneto gear for an Am.Bosch FX-1
mag that I have and want to mount on one of my M's.
It's a century ago when I did it at tech school, but it's
as all the machine work, I have to search in my personal
HD how I learned and did it, you know brains...brians.
You better could ask me the name of my first girl I snapped :o))

http://www.lathes.co.uk/meyerburger/index.html

Take care,
                   John H.










From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Sun Jan 30 10:06:22 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:06:22 EST
Subject: [SEL] A More Direct link to the Steamer w/Pics...to remove oldglue
Message-ID: <81.203707d2.2f2e7c1e@aol.com>

Hi Chuck,
Thanks, that is a very kind offer,  but I'll hang onto the Gretsch for a 
while longer.  
Ron
In a message dated 1/29/2005 4:59:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
kerogas at sbcglobal.net writes:
Serf's up Ron !!!
Somebody just dumped a 1 1/2 Challenge  in the back of my truck . Whataya
know bout that
I was supposed to go out to the junk yard and find that thing a week ago .
Completely stuck with a promising gap around the piston . plug conversion -
mag/ign. gone ,
wanna trade for the Gretsch ?

Chuck


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Jan 30 11:12:14 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:12:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT gear making in brief
References: <20050129142919.66773.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com><BAY3-DAV31B4506F5BF3A8ADD38771BB7B0@phx.gbl>
	<000501c506f3$bcd54440$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV2512F7F7D3A0B23DD5F908BB7B0@phx.gbl>

That is very definite versatile too.  Kind of a metal worker's shopsmith.

Good one John!!

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT gear making in brief


> 
> Hi Rick,
> I have this machine, it's possible to make gears with it.
> One of these days I want to give it a try to make one,
> I think it will be a magneto gear for an Am.Bosch FX-1
> mag that I have and want to mount on one of my M's.
> It's a century ago when I did it at tech school, but it's
> as all the machine work, I have to search in my personal
> HD how I learned and did it, you know brains...brians.
> You better could ask me the name of my first girl I snapped :o))
> 
> http://www.lathes.co.uk/meyerburger/index.html
> 
> Take care,
>                    John H.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Jan 30 12:16:42 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:16:42 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave)
References: <1107027724.41fbe70ca8470@webmail.city-net.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050129172502.10d45760@mail.alltel.net>
	<41FC8410.40108@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <003e01c50709$c38fabc0$220d1bd3@reg>

None of us are thought readers. Our humor is what it is. If anyone should
get upset by it and read into it what they really know is not there, so be
it. If ya dont like the heat in the kitchen........................!
The list will still be evolving when I am dust. Its that sort of thing. Folk
come and go. Different reasons for all of them. There is no lock on the
door.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "lightningrod" <guitronics at comcast.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave)


> Michael P. Koryciak Writes:
>                        I'm sure you guys meant no offense....and the
> gist of the joke is kinda funny.
>
> You gotta understand that there are people who read this list that are
> soft-hearted towards those of us born with disabilities.
>
> I'm not demanding anything, nor do I believe in "Politically-Correct"
> speech.
>
> I have a 19-year old stepson who is retarded, sometimes called "Mentally
> Impaired".(PC!).
>
> He's stuck at between 3 and 4 1/2 years old. He also has Cystic Fibrosis
> (CF), and an enzyme deficiency.
>
> He takes a handful of pills every day.Most CF patients never reach 30
> years old.
>
> I love him very much.I'm sure you didn't intend to be hurtful, but I
> only ask that you be a tad more considerate towards other's who may have
> family members, etc. who have these disabilities.  mike
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 30 12:58:50 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:58:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave)
In-Reply-To: <41FC8410.40108@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20050130205851.35887.qmail@web61302.mail.yahoo.com>

Amen, Mike.

My "Mildly Mentally Retarded" brother-in-law lives with us and has been living with us for the
last 11 years because of the way they talked to him at the last group home he was in.  One
comment,,,,,,"Get back in your room you retard!" overheard when the gal didn't know my wife and I
were in the house was all I needed to hear.  I told her it was three days to the end of the month
and by then I would have a room cleaned out and furnished for Jim.  It was a scramble, but I made
it. 11 years later I wouldn't think of ever letting him go back into a place like that.  He also
has Epilepsy and was having too many large seizures there.  I did some reading about managment and
it has been years now since he has had one.  Just two during the first couple years he was here.
Jim is 46 but at about the 4-6 year old level.

Alan Bowen



--- lightningrod <guitronics at comcast.net> wrote:

> Michael P. Koryciak Writes:
>                        I'm sure you guys meant no offense....and the 
> gist of the joke is kinda funny.
> 
> You gotta understand that there are people who read this list that are 
> soft-hearted towards those of us born with disabilities.
> 
> I'm not demanding anything, nor do I believe in "Politically-Correct" 
> speech.
> 
> I have a 19-year old stepson who is retarded, sometimes called "Mentally 
> Impaired".(PC!).
> 
> He's stuck at between 3 and 4 1/2 years old. He also has Cystic Fibrosis 
> (CF), and an enzyme deficiency.
> 
> He takes a handful of pills every day.Most CF patients never reach 30 
> years old.
> 
> I love him very much.I'm sure you didn't intend to be hurtful, but I 
> only ask that you be a tad more considerate towards other's who may have 
> family members, etc. who have these disabilities.  
mike



		
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jan 30 14:13:04 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:13:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: The Hammond's Singing Again! 
Message-ID: <a83635553f4bed34de280f390f6482b1@chartertn.net>

I got the Hammond M3 in The Loyal Bereans' classroom singing today. 
I've been working on it a bit off and on for 3 weeks or so, where it 
is. Didn't take as much work as I thought, so it's going to stay there 
where everyone can enjoy it. I'll hunt for another. Basically all it 
took was getting the unused tone generator turning by oiling it and 
helping it turn over by hand at first (the starter clutch is still 
sticky, but it'll start itself after a few tries), testing all the 
tubes and replacing 4 of them. The 5U4 rectifier was just about dead. 
Don't know what B+ voltage the rest of the tubes were running on, but 
it had to be really low. The funky noises in the vibrato channel were 
from a 6C4 with a flickering short in it. The pitifully low volume 
(even after getting the power supply working, which boosted it about 20 
dB) was from the 12AX7 that's the last 2 audio amp stages before the 
phase inverter for the output stage having been replaced with a 12AU7A. 
Way too low gain. Sure sounds sweet now, and with plenty of volume! I 
called the music director, so hopefully he'll be playing it for 
tonight's service that's held in that Sunday school room.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 30 15:56:21 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:56:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Latest Charlie Bryant Update!!
Message-ID: <00ee01c50727$4e37dcd0$230110ac@PAUL>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard R Allen" <gramps16 at juno.com>
To: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 3:47 PM
Subject: Sunday at 4:30PM


> Greetings from Maine again,
> Just talked  briefly with your friend, Charlie, as his granddaughter was
> there. The procedure of removal of the pacemaker leads is scheduled for
> 2PM tomorrow afternoon. Please pray they are not entangled and will be
> taken care of easily by the laser. If all goes well he will return to the
> present room . Will keep you posted.
> Sister, Lois
>



From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Sun Jan 30 16:19:54 2005
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:19:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: The Hammond's Singing Again!
References: <a83635553f4bed34de280f390f6482b1@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c5072a$96f3ad20$e3f7a518@SkipBetty>

What are the power out put tubes in this thing? Are they 6L6s or even 6V6s. 
Also, where do you get replacements?
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 5:13 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT: The Hammond's Singing Again!


>I got the Hammond M3 in The Loyal Bereans' classroom singing today. I've 
>been working on it a bit off and on for 3 weeks or so, where it is. Didn't 
>take as much work as I thought, so it's going to stay there where everyone 
>can enjoy it. I'll hunt for another. Basically all it took was getting the 
>unused tone generator turning by oiling it and helping it turn over by hand 
>at first (the starter clutch is still sticky, but it'll start itself after 
>a few tries), testing all the tubes and replacing 4 of them. The 5U4 
>rectifier was just about dead. Don't know what B+ voltage the rest of the 
>tubes were running on, but it had to be really low. The funky noises in the 
>vibrato channel were from a 6C4 with a flickering short in it. The 
>pitifully low volume (even after getting the power supply working, which 
>boosted it about 20 dB) was from the 12AX7 that's the last 2 audio amp 
>stages before the phase inverter for the output stage having been replaced 
>with a 12AU7A. Way too low gain. Sure sounds sweet now, and with plenty of 
>volume! I called the music director, so hopefully he'll be playing it for 
>tonight's service that's held in that Sunday school room.
>
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
>
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jan 30 16:59:42 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:59:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: The Hammond's Singing Again!
In-Reply-To: <000d01c5072a$96f3ad20$e3f7a518@SkipBetty>
References: <a83635553f4bed34de280f390f6482b1@chartertn.net>
	<000d01c5072a$96f3ad20$e3f7a518@SkipBetty>
Message-ID: <79abe553a5a93147d239c72043c35d9d@chartertn.net>

They're 6V6GTs. The old ones in it are still good. I found a couple of 
used ones in my tube stash, one of which is low on emission to the 
questionable point, but didn't have to use them in this case. There are 
new Russian made 6V6s available, most of which have a reputation for 
not surviving long in Fender guitar amps (which run them at a higher 
plate and screen voltage than they were spec'd for.) I've read on the 
Web that the Hammond M3's transformers are overbuilt enough to safely 
use 6L6s in it. Looked at the tube charts and figured with the M3's 
fixed bias using 6L6s it would move from being a Class AB1 amp to a 
Class A with nearly
2?1/2 times the plate current (= waste heat) and only a few watts more 
output power, but it'd still be in a safe plate dissipation range for 
the 6L6s. An interesting thought is that this organ uses an 
old-fashioned field coil speaker, with the field coil serving as an 
input choke on the power supply. The boosted tube current draw would 
increase the magnetizing force on the speaker field and might increase 
the speaker's sensitivity. All in all, though, I think it best to stick 
with original spec parts in vintage gear.

For guitar amps, ElectroHarmonix has sold Russian 6L6s labeled as 
"6V6EH" for use in 6V6 amps!

The 6Y6 and 6W6 series tubes can substitute for 6V6s in some cases. 
Wouldn't try it in the high-voltage guitar amps, as they're rated for 
lower voltages than the 6V6. With a fixed bias, I'd have to study the 
tube plate characteristic charts a while before trying a swap.

John

On Jan 30, 2005, at 7:19 PM, Skip Cleveland wrote:

> What are the power out put tubes in this thing? Are they 6L6s or even 
> 6V6s. Also, where do you get replacements?
> Skip


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Jan 30 09:47:41 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:47:41 -0700
Subject: Fw: [SEL] wooden toys OT and other gobly gook
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV2414CF1C4A9EF60807DF8BBB7B0@phx.gbl>




> Has anyone ever started a Gal on the "back kick" or some call it 
> compression?  And talk about $hit house luck,  I bought a camgear from Joe 
> Kelley hoping it would fit the 3hp Galloway.  After blasting which really 
> brought out the p/n "XK-14 or just 4, I went and looked at the 3hp.  All 
> the p/n's start with XK...this is a very good omen!!!  Got any more XK 
> parts, Joe?
>
> later,
> Rick,,,,, who's birthday is over and now headed for the "cleaning toilets" 
> chore.  Don't ever retire!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
> To: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] wooden toys OT
>
>
> > You're welcome.
> >
> > I've been putting those old tubes you sent me to work. :-)
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Jan 30, 2005, at 12:04 PM, Richard Strobel wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks  Doc!!
> > >
> > > Rick
> >
> >
> > John Culp
> > Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> >
> > 


From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Jan 30 17:51:26 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:51:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Vacuum Tubes (Valves) Source
Message-ID: <41FD8F1E.6040409@comcast.net>

Mike P Koryciak here.
          Try this link:    http://www.newsensor.com  .  Tubes from all 
over the world.


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jan 30 19:17:14 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:17:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Vacuum Tubes (Valves) Source
In-Reply-To: <41FD8F1E.6040409@comcast.net>
References: <41FD8F1E.6040409@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2571271617f1d77251968b5daa59175c@chartertn.net>

I see they're still selling those 6V6 EH, which are really 6L6s. :-)

(That's a pretty pricey place to buy 'em, but they've got a wide 
selection.)

John

On Jan 30, 2005, at 8:51 PM, lightningrod wrote:

> Mike P Koryciak here.
>          Try this link:    http://www.newsensor.com  .  Tubes from all 
> over the world.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From ozengine at yahoo.com.au  Sun Jan 30 19:23:00 2005
From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:23:00 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] re: Gear making in brief - a question
Message-ID: <20050131032300.95395.qmail@web41123.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Rich and Tommy

N-i-c-e practical info on gears mates. I's even saved
me a copy.

Got one question that no one seems to be able to
answer for me. I would like to have a go at cutting a
cam gear for my Novo 4. Needed is a 56 tooth gear, 10
pitch and 14.5 PA I'd assume. I have a involute gear
cutter here that cuts the 54-55 tooth range (or
whatever is the standard teeth count for the numbered
cutter). So the question is...can I use this cutter
indexed correctly to do the 56 teeth? I mean, how much
"out" would it be? My understanding is that the
cutters are only exact for one teeth count and all
others in the range are close approximations.

Thanks much

Graham in Oz




Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
http://au.movies.yahoo.com


From f86sabre at kcweb.net  Sun Jan 30 21:49:32 2005
From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:49:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] re: Gear making in brief - a question
References: <20050131032300.95395.qmail@web41123.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c50758$a5ea2830$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>

I would say have a go at it.  It has been my observation that if the teeth 
mesh, when one turns, the other definitely will also.  For the use to which 
it will be put, I doubt that it will make any difference.  You might have to 
make some allowances here and there, but so what?  If it doesn't last too 
long, you still have the cutter, and can make another, trying something else 
to correct where it failed.  Carpe diem!
Dan Bousman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graham Harris" <ozengine at yahoo.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 9:23 PM
Subject: [SEL] re: Gear making in brief - a question


> Hi Rich and Tommy
>
> N-i-c-e practical info on gears mates. I's even saved
> me a copy.
>
> Got one question that no one seems to be able to
> answer for me. I would like to have a go at cutting a
> cam gear for my Novo 4. Needed is a 56 tooth gear, 10
> pitch and 14.5 PA I'd assume. I have a involute gear
> cutter here that cuts the 54-55 tooth range (or
> whatever is the standard teeth count for the numbered
> cutter). So the question is...can I use this cutter
> indexed correctly to do the 56 teeth? I mean, how much
> "out" would it be? My understanding is that the
> cutters are only exact for one teeth count and all
> others in the range are close approximations.
>
> Thanks much
>
> Graham in Oz
>
>
>
>
> Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
> http://au.movies.yahoo.com
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jan 31 01:03:08 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:03:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] re: Gear making in brief - a question
References: <20050131032300.95395.qmail@web41123.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005201c50774$b845a560$ae0d1bd3@reg>

It wont worry you! It will work as close as ever you will need.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graham Harris" <ozengine at yahoo.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 2:23 PM
Subject: [SEL] re: Gear making in brief - a question


> Hi Rich and Tommy
> 
> N-i-c-e practical info on gears mates. I's even saved
> me a copy.
> 
> Got one question that no one seems to be able to
> answer for me. I would like to have a go at cutting a
> cam gear for my Novo 4. Needed is a 56 tooth gear, 10
> pitch and 14.5 PA I'd assume. I have a involute gear
> cutter here that cuts the 54-55 tooth range (or
> whatever is the standard teeth count for the numbered
> cutter). So the question is...can I use this cutter
> indexed correctly to do the 56 teeth? I mean, how much
> "out" would it be? My understanding is that the
> cutters are only exact for one teeth count and all
> others in the range are close approximations.
> 
> Thanks much
> 
> Graham in Oz
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
> http://au.movies.yahoo.com
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From froberts at dodo.com.au  Sun Jan 30 14:56:13 2005
From: froberts at dodo.com.au (Fred Roberts)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:56:13 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A penny for your thoughts
References: <1107027724.41fbe70ca8470@webmail.city-net.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050129172502.10d45760@mail.alltel.net><41FC8410.40108@comcast.net>
	<003e01c50709$c38fabc0$220d1bd3@reg>
Message-ID: <008d01c5071e$e934eba0$5e84dccb@froberts>

Reg
You are sure on the right track when you admit your humor is what it is,
warped I would think is a fair description,and if you were given a penny for
your thoughts you would receive some change.
Regards.
Fred


----- Original Message -----
From: "Reg Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave)


> None of us are thought readers. Our humor is what it is. If anyone should
> get upset by it and read into it what they really know is not there, so be
> it. If ya dont like the heat in the kitchen........................!
> The list will still be evolving when I am dust. Its that sort of thing.
Folk
> come and go. Different reasons for all of them. There is no lock on the
> door.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>



From guitronics at comcast.net  Mon Jan 31 03:50:05 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 06:50:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Vacuum Tubes (Valves) Source
In-Reply-To: <2571271617f1d77251968b5daa59175c@chartertn.net>
References: <41FD8F1E.6040409@comcast.net>
	<2571271617f1d77251968b5daa59175c@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <41FE1B6D.5000206@comcast.net>

6V6/6L6

John :They aren't the same tube! They are not interchangeable. Tubes ARE 
pricey, these days.
They never quit making them in europe....except England and 
Germany.Nothin' sounds like tubes!




From asouth at strato.net  Mon Jan 31 05:44:53 2005
From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:44:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: The Hammond's Singing Again! 
References: <a83635553f4bed34de280f390f6482b1@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <01ab01c5079b$0bab53f0$9300a8c0@Arthur>

John, you never cease to amaze me. Must be a good feeling to bring a piece
of musical equipment back to life. You are truly a man of many talents.
Continued good luck to ya.

Arthur




Arthur Southwell
Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A.
asouth at strato.net


http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 5:13 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT: The Hammond's Singing Again!


>




From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jan 31 06:02:09 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:02:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Webster Holder
In-Reply-To: <01fc01c506d9$0503eb60$6401a8c0@Shop>
References: <20050129.141731.1000.7.jlb94@juno.com><BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl><6.1.2.0.0.20050129174816.10dbd1b0@mail.alltel.net><018401c50656$277acac0$6401a8c0@Shop>	<1107042482.41fc20b231eac@webmail.city-net.com>
	<01fc01c506d9$0503eb60$6401a8c0@Shop>
Message-ID: <41FE3A61.90404@imc-group.com>

Webster mag experts,
Dave mentions the mag tool as "only tripping the mag about 25 degrees or 
so" as being insufficient to get a spark.
Sooo, how many degrees should a mag be turned to assure a good fat spark?

Regarding the tool being soft on the end, I've been tempted to add a 
little heat treatment to the end to make them last a good bit longer.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Dave Ernst wrote:

> Yea, I have one I bought from Ed at Hit & Miss. The metal is so soft 
> that the end is worn to the point it will only trip the mag about 25 
> degrees or so. I've been threatening to make one of those too.
> Pogonip is back this morning........
> Dave
>
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Pretty fancy rig!!  Are you aware of the Webster tripping handles 
>> that go over
>> the right hand pin on the front of the mag?  Makes testing (if you'll 
>> pardon
>> the unintended pun) a snap.  With one of those you don't even need a 
>> vice, just
>> hold the mag/ignitor on the bench with one hand, and trip it with the 
>> other.
>>



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 31 05:53:18 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:53:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 214mph with lodge plugs 
Message-ID: <015701c5079c$38c73880$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>

http://www.antiquemotorcycle.org/TheMagazine/Stream_6ad.jpg


From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jan 31 06:42:53 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 06:42:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] 214mph with lodge plugs
In-Reply-To: <015701c5079c$38c73880$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
References: <015701c5079c$38c73880$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
Message-ID: <49185.165.206.180.118.1107182573.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

Cool - I collect Lodge spark plugs!

Bill

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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Jan 31 07:12:59 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:12:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Webster Holder
In-Reply-To: <41FE3A61.90404@imc-group.com>
References: <20050129.141731.1000.7.jlb94@juno.com>
	<BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050129174816.10dbd1b0@mail.alltel.net>
	<018401c50656$277acac0$6401a8c0@Shop>
	<1107042482.41fc20b231eac@webmail.city-net.com>
	<01fc01c506d9$0503eb60$6401a8c0@Shop>
	<41FE3A61.90404@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050131100643.10fcd1e8@mail.alltel.net>


>Regarding the tool being soft on the end, I've been tempted to add a 
>little heat treatment to the end to make them last a good bit longer.
>Curt Holland

Good lord Curt, The things cost about $10.00. I've used mine 100 times (or 
so) and notice no wear. If it lasts another 100 times then it cost me $0.05 
per "trip!"
         Dave
PS, I take for granted that you are referring to the Webster trip lever and 
not that "other" problem that you have! 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jan 31 07:41:26 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:41:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Webster Holder
In-Reply-To: <41FE3A61.90404@imc-group.com>
References: <20050129.141731.1000.7.jlb94@juno.com><BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl><6.1.2.0.0.20050129174816.10dbd1b0@mail.alltel.net><018401c50656$277acac0$6401a8c0@Shop>
	<1107042482.41fc20b231eac@webmail.city-net.com>
	<01fc01c506d9$0503eb60$6401a8c0@Shop>
	<41FE3A61.90404@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501311028420.7106@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Curt & Dave,

I got mine from Bill Lopoulous ages ago.  There is some visible wear to
the paint on the business end, but that's it.  Do you guys realize that
your engines have a trip mechanism for the mag and that you don't need to
trip the mag by hand while the engine is running?  8-))  I can't imagine
how much "mag testing" would be needed to wear the end of a tripping
handle so that it quit doing its job.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Curt wrote:

> Webster mag experts,
> Dave mentions the mag tool as "only tripping the mag about 25 degrees or
> so" as being insufficient to get a spark.
> Sooo, how many degrees should a mag be turned to assure a good fat spark?
>
> Regarding the tool being soft on the end, I've been tempted to add a
> little heat treatment to the end to make them last a good bit longer.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> Dave Ernst wrote:
>
> > Yea, I have one I bought from Ed at Hit & Miss. The metal is so soft
> > that the end is worn to the point it will only trip the mag about 25
> > degrees or so. I've been threatening to make one of those too.
> > Pogonip is back this morning........


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jan 31 07:50:43 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:50:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave)
In-Reply-To: <41FC8410.40108@comcast.net>
References: <1107027724.41fbe70ca8470@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20050129172502.10d45760@mail.alltel.net>
	<41FC8410.40108@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0501311045500.7106@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Mike,

You are correct.  Buzz coils can be downright hurtful.  Especially when
one's tender parts recoil and impact the hard, sharp parts of the engine.

Perhaps the gentle tickle of a low tension coil or a Dixie generator would
be less hurtful?

Something to ponder at a minimum...

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, lightningrod wrote:

> Michael P. Koryciak Writes:
> I'm sure you guys meant no offense....and the
> gist of the joke is kinda funny.
>
> You gotta understand that there are people who read this list that are
> soft-hearted towards those of us born with disabilities.
>
> I'm not demanding anything, nor do I believe in "Politically-Correct"
> speech.
>
> I have a 19-year old stepson who is retarded, sometimes called "Mentally
> Impaired".(PC!).
>
> He's stuck at between 3 and 4 1/2 years old. He also has Cystic Fibrosis
> (CF), and an enzyme deficiency.
>
> He takes a handful of pills every day.Most CF patients never reach 30
> years old.
>
> I love him very much.I'm sure you didn't intend to be hurtful, but I
> only ask that you be a tad more considerate towards other's who may have
> family members, etc. who have these disabilities.  mike



From ignitors at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 31 08:02:05 2005
From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:02:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Webster Holder
References: <20050129.141731.1000.7.jlb94@juno.com><BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl><6.1.2.0.0.20050129174816.10dbd1b0@mail.alltel.net><018401c50656$277acac0$6401a8c0@Shop>	<1107042482.41fc20b231eac@webmail.city-net.com><01fc01c506d9$0503eb60$6401a8c0@Shop>
	<41FE3A61.90404@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <003901c507ae$37a7b990$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>

About 40 degrees from horizontal.

Ted Brookover
4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
816-763-3142
ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Webster Holder


> Webster mag experts,
> Dave mentions the mag tool as "only tripping the mag about 25 degrees or 
> so" as being insufficient to get a spark.
> Sooo, how many degrees should a mag be turned to assure a good fat spark?
>
> Regarding the tool being soft on the end, I've been tempted to add a 
> little heat treatment to the end to make them last a good bit longer.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> Dave Ernst wrote:
>
>> Yea, I have one I bought from Ed at Hit & Miss. The metal is so soft that 
>> the end is worn to the point it will only trip the mag about 25 degrees 
>> or so. I've been threatening to make one of those too.
>> Pogonip is back this morning........
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>> Pretty fancy rig!!  Are you aware of the Webster tripping handles that 
>>> go over
>>> the right hand pin on the front of the mag?  Makes testing (if you'll 
>>> pardon
>>> the unintended pun) a snap.  With one of those you don't even need a 
>>> vice, just
>>> hold the mag/ignitor on the bench with one hand, and trip it with the 
>>> other.
>>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 31 08:14:04 2005
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:14:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 214mph with lodge plugs
References: <015701c5079c$38c73880$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
	<49185.165.206.180.118.1107182573.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <018c01c507af$e2903520$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>

> Cool - I collect Lodge spark plugs!

 I was gonna send it direct ,then thought it better to share .



From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jan 31 10:52:49 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:52:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Webster Holder
In-Reply-To: <003901c507ae$37a7b990$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>
References: <20050129.141731.1000.7.jlb94@juno.com><BAY3-DAV13341813D465834C1934AABB7A0@phx.gbl><6.1.2.0.0.20050129174816.10dbd1b0@mail.alltel.net><018401c50656$277acac0$6401a8c0@Shop>	<1107042482.41fc20b231eac@webmail.city-net.com><01fc01c506d9$0503eb60$6401a8c0@Shop>	<41FE3A61.90404@imc-group.com>
	<003901c507ae$37a7b990$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>
Message-ID: <41FE7E81.8050006@imc-group.com>

Thank you Ted.
Curt

Ted Brookover wrote:

> About 40 degrees from horizontal.
>
>
>> Webster mag experts,
>> Dave mentions the mag tool as "only tripping the mag about 25 degrees 
>> or so" as being insufficient to get a spark.
>> Sooo, how many degrees should a mag be turned to assure a good fat 
>> spark?
>>



From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Mon Jan 31 11:36:00 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:36:00 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Re:  Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave)
References: <1107027724.41fbe70ca8470@webmail.city-net.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050129172502.10d45760@mail.alltel.net><41FC8410.40108@comcast.net>
	<003e01c50709$c38fabc0$220d1bd3@reg>
Message-ID: <00ae01c507cc$19cf3560$aaf93e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Has anybody tested a good buzz coil and knows what voltage it puts out?

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA 
jd.kirkes at verizon.net



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Jan 31 17:06:20 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:06:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Vacuum Tubes (Valves) Source
In-Reply-To: <41FE1B6D.5000206@comcast.net>
References: <41FD8F1E.6040409@comcast.net>
	<2571271617f1d77251968b5daa59175c@chartertn.net>
	<41FE1B6D.5000206@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <ab3ee6b650fd86b56b3e02cb893c72da@chartertn.net>

I know they're not the same tube, and not supposed to be directly 
interchangeable, but nevertheless they've often been interchanged. I've 
got a modern Electar Tube 10 guitar amp that's clearly designed for a 
6V6, the output stage circuit parameters being identical to the Fender 
Champs that used a 6V6, but they were shipped with 6L6s. Doubtless 
because of the wide availability and lower price of 6L6s on the market 
today. Runs that 6L6 hot as hell. (It's really a Russian 6?3C-e, 
labelled as a "6L6WGC/5881.") It's a terrific sounding little blues 
amp, BTW. After they sold 'em a while as Electars and got 'em debugged, 
they changed the faceplate, put in a slightly bigger Celestion speaker, 
jacked up the price and sell it as an Epiphone Galaxy 10.

Cheapest place I've bought tubes is E.T.O.L.S. in Belgium. Pays to buy 
'em there and pay the shipping if you've got a fair sized order. The 
tubes are mostly the same ones sold here by New Sensor as Sovteks (and 
some of 'em come already marked and packed in Sovtek boxes from the 
manufacturer) but most of 'em are stamped with the "Tronal" brand, 
which is a little different over here. :-)

The online Russian vendors seem a little shady and aren't good about 
answering inquiries.

John

On Jan 31, 2005, at 6:50 AM, lightningrod wrote:

> 6V6/6L6
>
> John :They aren't the same tube! They are not interchangeable. Tubes 
> ARE pricey, these days.
> They never quit making them in europe....except England and 
> Germany.Nothin' sounds like tubes!


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Jan 31 17:20:43 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:20:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 214mph with lodge plugs 
In-Reply-To: <015701c5079c$38c73880$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
References: <015701c5079c$38c73880$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
Message-ID: <af4c9fc447e12c5cd6abae3d4e947005@chartertn.net>

Whoda thunk they could go that fast with PINK spark plugs?

(You need some of them for your Sporty!)

John

On Jan 31, 2005, at 8:53 AM, <kerogas at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> http://www.antiquemotorcycle.org/TheMagazine/Stream_6ad.jpg
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>

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From ivancou at usachoice.net  Mon Jan 31 17:36:27 2005
From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:36:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Beilers sale 
References: <1105972093.41ebcb7ddf37b@www.hot1.net>
Message-ID: <000401c507fe$742693a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7>

Almost time again for Beilers Auction in New Holland ,PA  .  If you'd like
to get together and put a face to names then lets meet around noon  on the
barn bridge .  I know Cecil M and Dave & David C will be there along with
Mike R .    Ed, Danny, Lane  ?
    How about dinner at Shady Maple one night ?   Wednesday night ?   Ivan




From rwenig at telus.net  Mon Jan 31 19:20:36 2005
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:20:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] magneto & Coil Tester
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Hi Guys,
	Have any of you thought of using a tester such as shown at 
<http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/Temp/Magtester.jpg>? This one is a 
copy of a Briggs and Stratton but I've used other similar types with 
good success in the past for checking magneto and coil output.

Rupert




From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jan 31 19:36:11 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:36:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY..........
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Need word from experts - not "opinions" so I can avoid a pissing match with
someone.

NPT - I've been told national pipe thread.
I'm BEING told, no, it's national pipe taper

I showed a fellow a site by Kohler, the plumbing fixture folks, that states
national pipe thread, he came backwith an engineers toolbox site that says
national pipe taper.

If I'm wrong, I want to know so I can go back and tell him he's
right.........

Bill




From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Mon Jan 31 19:45:14 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:45:14 EST
Subject: [SEL] magneto & Coil Tester
Message-ID: <1e6.340f2e91.2f30554a@aol.com>

Hi Rupert,
That does look good, and I'll bet it makes a nice flash when the spark jumps 
across.  Exactly where do you have the kid hold it?
Regards,
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, VA USA


In a message dated 1/31/2005 10:41:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rwenig at telus.net writes:
Hi Guys,
    Have any of you thought of using a tester such as shown at 
<http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/Temp/Magtester.jpg>? This one is a 
copy of a Briggs and Stratton but I've used other similar types with 
good success in the past for checking magneto and coil output.

Rupert


From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jan 31 19:46:09 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:46:09 -0600
Subject: [SEL] magneto & Coil Tester
In-Reply-To: <41FEF584.2000403@telus.net>
Message-ID: <200502010346.j113kVtX075083@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Geesh, I've owned one of those for about 30+ years, bought it with a complet
engine rebuild and testing kit when I became a B&S service dealer back in
the 70's.
Works quite well.

Bill 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rupert Wenig
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 9:21 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] magneto & Coil Tester

Hi Guys,
	Have any of you thought of using a tester such as shown at
<http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/Temp/Magtester.jpg>? This one is a copy
of a Briggs and Stratton but I've used other similar types with good success
in the past for checking magneto and coil output.

Rupert


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From bobpaton at mersitab.com.au  Mon Jan 31 19:59:59 2005
From: bobpaton at mersitab.com.au (Bob Paton)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:59:59 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY..........
Message-ID: <C2791A795E84124A8C1F4A4AD013BCE21FC073@caelum.mersitab.internal>

Bill
It is National Pipe Thread and it can be formed in parallel or taper.
The same applies to British Standard Pipe (BSP) thread. 

Regards
Bob Paton, Leura in Oz

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dickerson [mailto:bill at antique-engines.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 1 February 2005 2:36 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY..........

 
Need word from experts - not "opinions" so I can avoid a pissing match
with
someone.

NPT - I've been told national pipe thread.
I'm BEING told, no, it's national pipe taper

I showed a fellow a site by Kohler, the plumbing fixture folks, that
states
national pipe thread, he came backwith an engineers toolbox site that
says
national pipe taper.

If I'm wrong, I want to know so I can go back and tell him he's
right.........

Bill


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From rwenig at telus.net  Mon Jan 31 20:07:44 2005
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:07:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] magneto & Coil Tester
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Hello,
	I guess you could ask him to hold the clip. But, even the teaser can 
give a good jolt. Don't ask how I know. Yes, the flash is neat.
	The magneto test bench they had at school had a similar device on the 
test board (one for each plug lead). As I recall the only difference was 
the spark gap which had to be set for the particular magneto. The little 
tester should I think be fine for testing output from any coil or 
magneto once the proper gap is determined.

Rupert

MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote:

> Hi Rupert,
> That does look good, and I'll bet it makes a nice flash when the spark jumps 
> across.  Exactly where do you have the kid hold it?
> Regards,
> Ron Carroll
> Nokesville, VA USA
> 
> 
> In a message dated 1/31/2005 10:41:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> rwenig at telus.net writes:
> Hi Guys,
>     Have any of you thought of using a tester such as shown at 
> <http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/Temp/Magtester.jpg>? This one is a 
> copy of a Briggs and Stratton but I've used other similar types with 
> good success in the past for checking magneto and coil output.
> 
> Rupert
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> 



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jan 31 20:20:36 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:20:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY........
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Bill,

    I think possibly you're both right.  Read the text below that I 
copied from a site.  I think the "proper" name of NPT is "National Pipe 
Taper Thread"

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


  NPT- National Pipe Taper Threads - ANSI B1.20.1 


    NPT  pipe threads - dimensions according ANSI/ASME B1.20.1

Common American National Standard Pipe Taper Threads 

    * NPT - National Pipe Taper Thread
    * FPT - female (internal) National Pipe Taper threads 
    * MPT - male (external) National Pipe Taper threads 
    * NPTF - Dryseal American National Standard Taper Pipe Thread (ANSI
      B1.20.3)

For NPT threads a sealant compound or Teflon tape must be used for a 
leak-free seal. For NPTF no sealant is needed for a sealing.

Characteristics of NPT (also known as ANSI/ASME B1.20.1 Pipe Threads, 
General Purpose):

    * tapered thread 1o 47'
    * truncation of roots and crests are flat
    * 60o thread angle
    * pitch is measured in threads per inch





Bill Dickerson wrote:

> 
>Need word from experts - not "opinions" so I can avoid a pissing match with
>someone.
>
>NPT - I've been told national pipe thread.
>I'm BEING told, no, it's national pipe taper
>
>I showed a fellow a site by Kohler, the plumbing fixture folks, that states
>national pipe thread, he came backwith an engineers toolbox site that says
>national pipe taper.
>
>If I'm wrong, I want to know so I can go back and tell him he's
>right.........
>
>Bill
>
>
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>  
>


From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jan 31 20:53:57 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:53:57 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY........
In-Reply-To: <41FF0394.3080403@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <200502010454.j114s3F7020853@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

And most folks have dropped the "taper" because of the length, I suspect.
Ken also sent me some details from the society of mechanical engineers.
The other fellow was more correct and I've told him, but it's also partly
semantics (not to be confused with Symantec!)

Bill 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Turner
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 10:21 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY........

Bill,

    I think possibly you're both right.  Read the text below that I copied
from a site.  I think the "proper" name of NPT is "National Pipe Taper
Thread"

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


  NPT- National Pipe Taper Threads - ANSI B1.20.1 


    NPT  pipe threads - dimensions according ANSI/ASME B1.20.1

Common American National Standard Pipe Taper Threads 

    * NPT - National Pipe Taper Thread
    * FPT - female (internal) National Pipe Taper threads 
    * MPT - male (external) National Pipe Taper threads 
    * NPTF - Dryseal American National Standard Taper Pipe Thread (ANSI
      B1.20.3)

For NPT threads a sealant compound or Teflon tape must be used for a
leak-free seal. For NPTF no sealant is needed for a sealing.

Characteristics of NPT (also known as ANSI/ASME B1.20.1 Pipe Threads,
General Purpose):

    * tapered thread 1o 47'
    * truncation of roots and crests are flat
    * 60o thread angle
    * pitch is measured in threads per inch





Bill Dickerson wrote:

> 
>Need word from experts - not "opinions" so I can avoid a pissing match 
>with someone.
>
>NPT - I've been told national pipe thread.
>I'm BEING told, no, it's national pipe taper
>
>I showed a fellow a site by Kohler, the plumbing fixture folks, that 
>states national pipe thread, he came backwith an engineers toolbox site 
>that says national pipe taper.
>
>If I'm wrong, I want to know so I can go back and tell him he's 
>right.........
>
>Bill
>
>
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From guitronics at comcast.net  Mon Jan 31 21:22:35 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 00:22:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Vacuum Tubes (Valves) Source
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Mike wrote: John, can you get me the etols website/contact info? Thanks


John Culp wrote:

> I know they're not the same tube, and not supposed to be directly 
> interchangeable, but nevertheless they've often been interchanged. 
> I've got a modern Electar Tube 10 guitar amp that's clearly designed 
> for a 6V6, the output stage circuit parameters being identical to the 
> Fender Champs that used a 6V6, but they were shipped with 6L6s. 
> Doubtless because of the wide availability and lower price of 6L6s on 
> the market today. Runs that 6L6 hot as hell. (It's really a Russian 
> 6?3C-e, labelled as a "6L6WGC/5881.") It's a terrific sounding little 
> blues amp, BTW. After they sold 'em a while as Electars and got 'em 
> debugged, they changed the faceplate, put in a slightly bigger 
> Celestion speaker, jacked up the price and sell it as an Epiphone 
> Galaxy 10.
>
> Cheapest place I've bought tubes is E.T.O.L.S. in Belgium. Pays to buy 
> 'em there and pay the shipping if you've got a fair sized order. The 
> tubes are mostly the same ones sold here by New Sensor as Sovteks (and 
> some of 'em come already marked and packed in Sovtek boxes from the 
> manufacturer) but most of 'em are stamped with the "Tronal" brand, 
> which is a little different over here. :-)
>
> The online Russian vendors seem a little shady and aren't good about 
> answering inquiries.
>
> John
>
> On Jan 31, 2005, at 6:50 AM, lightningrod wrote:
>
>> 6V6/6L6
>>
>> John :They aren't the same tube! They are not interchangeable. Tubes 
>> ARE pricey, these days.
>> They never quit making them in europe....except England and 
>> Germany.Nothin' sounds like tubes!
>
>
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
>
>
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