From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 1 04:12:30 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:12:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant Update - Reason for Concern! Message-ID: <000f01c50857$4faafcb0$230110ac@PAUL> Folks here is the latest update on Charlie, I wish it was better news. Charlie wants all who will to continue to pray for him as he goes through this difficult time. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" To: Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 10:36 PM Subject: Update as of 9 PM > Late === but this is some information from his daughter----- > > " They were unable to remove the leads with laser. After being in his > body > for more than 30 years, the leads were completely wrapped with tissue and > to > continue to work with the laser would cause damage. They described the > leads as a rock. > > Tomorrow Dr. Mansaur is going to have a discussion with the surgeon who > is > to do the valve replacements so we will have more information. Mansaur > wants to schedule the valve surgery within the week, since there is now > no > reason to wait. > > They will take the infected leads out during his valve surgery, but it > won't > be with laser. The infection is mild...it is under control because of > all > the antibiotics he has been receiving. " (Gail) > > We will be going over to his home in Jay in the morning and not back > here till later Wednesday. > > Please continue to pray. > Sister Lois > From jnyost at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 04:38:04 2005 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 04:38:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY.......... In-Reply-To: <200502010336.j113aani067386@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <20050201123804.98201.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com> Bill, Both are correct. I do not think you could win or loose on trying to see who is right or wrong. Engineers sometime refer it as taper but us common folk say thread. Jim --- Bill Dickerson wrote: > > Need word from experts - not "opinions" so I can > avoid a pissing match with > someone. > > NPT - I've been told national pipe thread. > I'm BEING told, no, it's national pipe taper > > I showed a fellow a site by Kohler, the plumbing > fixture folks, that states > national pipe thread, he came backwith an engineers > toolbox site that says > national pipe taper. > > If I'm wrong, I want to know so I can go back and > tell him he's > right......... > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From asouth at strato.net Tue Feb 1 04:45:30 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:45:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY.......... References: <200502010336.j113aani067386@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <00f701c5085b$eada5330$9300a8c0@Arthur> Bill, I've always been told NPT is National Pipe Thread. This taper stuff is new to me. I can't offer any proof, but will be very interested to know the truth myself. Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 10:36 PM Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY.......... > > Need word from experts - not "opinions" so I can avoid a pissing match with > someone. > > NPT - I've been told national pipe thread. > I'm BEING told, no, it's national pipe taper > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Feb 1 05:04:03 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:04:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave) In-Reply-To: <00ae01c507cc$19cf3560$aaf93e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <1107027724.41fbe70ca8470@webmail.city-net.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050129172502.10d45760@mail.alltel.net><41FC8410.40108@comcast.net> <003e01c50709$c38fabc0$220d1bd3@reg> <00ae01c507cc$19cf3560$aaf93e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <41FF7E43.2090704@imc-group.com> Jim, From my TV and electronics repair days I have a high voltage tester for checking picture tube voltages. Wonder if that would be a sufficient tool? I'll try to dig it out and see what the buzz coil voltages are if no one already knows the answer. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. I might even dig out the load of brand new in the box vacuum tubes.....since there seems to be so much interest in vacuum tubes these days..... Jim and Diane wrote: >Has anybody tested a good buzz coil and knows what voltage it puts out? > >Jim > >Jim and Diane Kirkes >Hemet, CA >jd.kirkes at verizon.net > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Tue Feb 1 05:54:08 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (diesel at easynet.co.uk) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:54:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY.......... In-Reply-To: <20050201123804.98201.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050201123804.98201.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1107266048.41ff8a00eee17@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Quoting James Yost : > Bill, > > Both are correct. I do not think you could win or > loose on trying to see who is right or wrong. > Engineers sometime refer it as taper but us common > folk say thread. > > Jim I'd say National Pipe Thread is the correct term, as the thread comes (as does the British Standard Pipe thread) in both taper and parallel forms. Both are listed in the SAE handbooks that we have. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel --------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 1 07:00:01 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:00:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 214mph with lodge plugs References: <015701c5079c$38c73880$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <006801c5086e$b4f35d80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Whoda thunk they could go that fast with PINK spark plugs? (You need some of them for your Sporty!) > John The flattie is preparing for theatre and thats a heck of an idea pink screw aparts on yer chop .......firestone poloniums ! I have them in 14 but no 18's Were the pink lodges radioactive too ? Chuck ? From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Feb 1 08:23:56 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:23:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] 214mph with lodge plugs In-Reply-To: <006801c5086e$b4f35d80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <015701c5079c$38c73880$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <006801c5086e$b4f35d80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <54722.165.206.180.118.1107275036.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Not from what I've seen in their literature and ads. I have a number of them in my office and so far, the cats seem fine, no glowing fur, etc. Bill > > >> Whoda thunk they could go that fast with PINK spark plugs? > (You need some of them for your Sporty!) >> John > > The flattie is preparing for theatre and thats a heck of an idea > pink screw aparts on yer chop .......firestone poloniums ! > I have them in 14 but no 18's > Were the pink lodges radioactive too ? > > Chuck ? > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 1 08:27:49 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:27:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O/T Power steering conversion Message-ID: Howdy all; Well he delivered my '69 Toyota Landcruiser yesterday. It has a 292 Chevrolet 6 cyl and looks good. (Does this make it a Toylet?). Anyway in this spoiled society we live in now, adding power steering is a must, especially after hooking a snowplow to it. Is the Saginaw steering box still the same way to go as it's been for many years? I've been on several websites that show the conversion, but thot I'd ask the list first. Thanks in anticipation! RickinMt. From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Feb 1 06:57:55 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:57:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT again - engine casting question...... In-Reply-To: <1107266048.41ff8a00eee17@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> References: <20050201123804.98201.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com> <1107266048.41ff8a00eee17@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Message-ID: <54173.165.206.180.118.1107269875.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Question about engines, but not antiques. IT's pretty well known that IH used some AMC engines in some of their vehicles, specifically the 401 AMC engine. AMC built their own engines and supplied them to Bricklin and IH for a time. (290, 343, 360, 390, 401) However, one fellow has happened across a 401 block that has "IH" cast on a transmission mounting ear on the back of the block. Does this mean that IH cast the block, OR, AMC cast the block FOR IH? Does any IH fan here know for sure? I'd expect that AMC cast their own blocks and probably cast IH into the blocks/engines they sold to IH but would like to know the facts. Bill From ottawa at pa.net Tue Feb 1 08:59:45 2005 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:59:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY........ References: <200502010336.j113aani067386@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <41FF0394.3080403@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <109801c5087f$7169e000$84f1cd97@HONDESKTOP> Page 1347 of 18th Edition of the Machinery's Handbook indicates that; NPT refers to it as "American National Standard Taper Pipe Thread". Which word do you want to drop? Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tommy Turner To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY........ Bill, I think possibly you're both right. Read the text below that I copied from a site. I think the "proper" name of NPT is "National Pipe Taper Thread" Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY NPT- National Pipe Taper Threads - ANSI B1.20.1 NPT pipe threads - dimensions according ANSI/ASME B1.20.1 Common American National Standard Pipe Taper Threads * NPT - National Pipe Taper Thread * FPT - female (internal) National Pipe Taper threads * MPT - male (external) National Pipe Taper threads * NPTF - Dryseal American National Standard Taper Pipe Thread (ANSI B1.20.3) For NPT threads a sealant compound or Teflon tape must be used for a leak-free seal. For NPTF no sealant is needed for a sealing. Characteristics of NPT (also known as ANSI/ASME B1.20.1 Pipe Threads, General Purpose): * tapered thread 1o 47' * truncation of roots and crests are flat * 60o thread angle * pitch is measured in threads per inch Bill Dickerson wrote: > >Need word from experts - not "opinions" so I can avoid a pissing match with >someone. > >NPT - I've been told national pipe thread. >I'm BEING told, no, it's national pipe taper > >I showed a fellow a site by Kohler, the plumbing fixture folks, that states >national pipe thread, he came backwith an engineers toolbox site that says >national pipe taper. > >If I'm wrong, I want to know so I can go back and tell him he's >right......... > >Bill > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 1 10:28:54 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:28:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Tuesday Morning update - Charlie Bryant Message-ID: <001f01c5088b$e57e6770$230110ac@PAUL> ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard R Allen To: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:13 AM Subject: Tuesday Morning update Good Morning, Paul, (Please delete any of this you wish before posting it.) Thanks for your message, Paul. I did read to him the one of yesterday when I called before he went to surgery .He's happy to hear from his friends Thanks for your needed prayers!! We will be leaving shortly to be with Evelyn- (90 miles from here) -sorry won't dare to mess with my brother's computer so will not be sending update tonight. (Sister Lois) His daughter (a nurse) in TX sent the following--- This morning at 615 AM EST, I phoned and was told he had been transferred to 8th floor-- Cardiac floor, ELLISON building-- ,same building. His nurse ( male gave me a good report. Here it is : 1/ Dad came back at PM EST to 8th floor 2/ He had been stable thru out the night regarding blood pressure and pulse. 3/ Surgeons were unable to take all the leads/ wires of left- sided pacemaker but took out pacemaker. 4/ He still has a turned-on, functioning) DEMAND pacemaker on the right side of his chest. DEMAND means that it is set for a certain rate (dad's case: 40 ). Then, IF his heart rate falls BELOW 40, the demand pacemaker will kick in and "charge" the heart, so to speak, so that his heart rate doesn't fall below 40 beats per minute. 5/ Right now there is, "NO Plan," said his male nurse. He went on to explain that the 3 docs-- infectious control female doc, the cardiologist and ELECTROcardiologist doc ( doc for pacemaker aspect of dad's condition) would get together today and discuss a plan---- Still intend to keep him on antibiotics BUT are talking about moving up the date of his valve( s) replacement surgery to FEB, instead of waiting till March 1st week . From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Tue Feb 1 10:25:09 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:25:09 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave) References: <1107027724.41fbe70ca8470@webmail.city-net.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050129172502.10d45760@mail.alltel.net><41FC8410.40108@comcast.net> <003e01c50709$c38fabc0$220d1bd3@reg><00ae01c507cc$19cf3560$aaf93e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <41FF7E43.2090704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001d01c50898$8093d3b0$0ad40304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Curt, I got across a buzz coil about two years ago and it really has a bite. I would guess around 5KV but that's strictly a guess, it would be interesting to know what it really is. Your picture tube tester ought to work fine, I think they are around 20KV. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave) > Jim, > From my TV and electronics repair days I have a high voltage tester for > checking picture tube voltages. Wonder if that would be a sufficient > tool? I'll try to dig it out and see what the buzz coil voltages are if > no one already knows the answer. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. I might even dig out the load of brand new in the box vacuum > tubes.....since there seems to be so much interest in vacuum tubes these > days..... > > > Jim and Diane wrote: > > >Has anybody tested a good buzz coil and knows what voltage it puts out? > > > >Jim > > > >Jim and Diane Kirkes > >Hemet, CA > >jd.kirkes at verizon.net > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From weolson at wiktel.com Tue Feb 1 15:55:50 2005 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:55:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY.......... References: <20050201123804.98201.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com> <1107266048.41ff8a00eee17@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Message-ID: <42001706.1040304@wiktel.com> Just to add some confusion to the thread, no pun intended, I'll add the following info: I am a licensed electrician and looking in the National Electrical Code book under IMC or Rigid conduit about threading pipe (conduit), it states the following. "Where conduit is threaded in the field, a standard cutting die with a taper of 1 in 16 (3/4 inch per foot) shall be used. Fine Print Note: See ANSI/ASME B.1.20..1-1983, Standard for Pipe Threads, General Purpose (Inch)." I don't know if this helps or hinders the ongoing diolog, but I give it for what it's worth. William Olson, Roosevelt, MN diesel at easynet.co.uk wrote: >Quoting James Yost : > >>Bill, >> >>Both are correct. I do not think you could win or >>loose on trying to see who is right or wrong. >>Engineers sometime refer it as taper but us common >>folk say thread. >> >>Jim >> > >I'd say National Pipe Thread is the correct term, as the thread comes (as does >the British Standard Pipe thread) in both taper and parallel forms. Both are >listed in the SAE handbooks that we have. > >Peter > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Feb 1 16:12:19 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:12:19 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave) In-Reply-To: <001d01c50898$8093d3b0$0ad40304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <200502020012.j120COQZ099085@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > I got across a buzz coil about two years ago and it really > has a bite. I would guess around 5KV but that's strictly > a guess, it would be interesting to know what it really is. > Your picture tube tester ought to work fine, I think they > are around 20KV. Hi Jim, My experiments were on older points/distrubutor type automobiles, but the basics will be the same. Actual numbers may differ. If you take your measurements in situ, you won't be reading the maximum potential output of the coil. As the coil fires, but before the spark occurs, the voltage rises sharply. Eventually the voltage rises to the point where the spark jumps between the electrodes. Beginning at this time, the voltage remains approximately contant. Flat line. About 8kv. In a low compression engine and a narrow sparkplug gap, your estimate of 5kv wouldn't be too far out of line. If you widen the plug gap, you'll read an increase in voltage, even though the coil itself has not changed. If you remove the high tension lead from the sparkplug and let it hang there, you'll see the voltage skyrocket. In an older car, you'd expect to see about 18kv-25kv. I've got no idea what you'd read on a buzzcoil, but considering the long spark they'll throw, I wouldn't be surprised if the voltage is considerably higher. Incidentally, it's not really a keen idea to pull the lead off the plug and then fire the magneto. The high voltage can destroy the old insulation in an original coil. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Tue Feb 1 16:25:33 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:25:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave) References: <1107027724.41fbe70ca8470@webmail.city-net.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050129172502.10d45760@mail.alltel.net><41FC8410.40108@comcast.net> <003e01c50709$c38fabc0$220d1bd3@reg><00ae01c507cc$19cf3560$aaf93e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm><41FF7E43.2090704@imc-group.com> <001d01c50898$8093d3b0$0ad40304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <012801c508bd$b688ffc0$7d601f40@ibm22761389857> I think as a rough guestimate you can figure about 15,000 volts per centimeter of spark in normal atmospheric air - 70 degrees and 50% humidity. It has been a while but that is what I remember. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 13:25 Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave) > Hi Curt, > > I got across a buzz coil about two years ago and it really has a bite. I > would guess around 5KV but that's strictly a guess, it would be interesting > to know what it really is. Your picture tube tester ought to work fine, I > think they are around 20KV. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:04 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave) > > > > Jim, > > From my TV and electronics repair days I have a high voltage tester for > > checking picture tube voltages. Wonder if that would be a sufficient > > tool? I'll try to dig it out and see what the buzz coil voltages are if > > no one already knows the answer. > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC > > P.S. I might even dig out the load of brand new in the box vacuum > > tubes.....since there seems to be so much interest in vacuum tubes these > > days..... > > > > > > Jim and Diane wrote: > > > > >Has anybody tested a good buzz coil and knows what voltage it puts out? > > > > > >Jim > > > > > >Jim and Diane Kirkes > > >Hemet, CA > > >jd.kirkes at verizon.net > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From l-d-holderman at kconline.com Tue Feb 1 17:33:31 2005 From: l-d-holderman at kconline.com (Larry Holderman) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:33:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing Message-ID: <004501c508c7$3865ffd0$c880f1d8@lholderman> I am working on a Accurate aka: A&E magneto off of a Mogul 1hp. The engine will start without any problems on a coil and battery and when you switch it over to the mag it will not run much at all. The ignitor has all new mica washers and adjusted and works fine. I have had the magnets charged with a large magneto charger and they have lots of pull. I have the armature out of the mag and all the collector brushes and the parts that they ride on are clean and in excellent shape. From what I have been told that it looks like I might have bad coil windings... My question is how do you check and armature and windings?? And if it is the windings who can do this kind of winding repair?? I have also been told that they are harder to rewind than other mags but I don't know this to be true. Thanks for any help Larry Holderman Warsaw, Indiana USA From jbcast at charter.net Tue Feb 1 17:41:58 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 1:41:58 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave) Message-ID: <3k789p$mlid9k@mxip11a.cluster1.charter.net> > > I think as a rough guestimate you can figure about 15,000 volts > per centimeter of spark in normal atmospheric air - 70 degrees and > 50% humidity. It has been a while but that is what I remember. > > Bob Willman I ran some buzz coils on my shop scope years ago, seams like they were 10 to 12kv. They give the impression of a hotter spark because when they're buzzing you can ionize the air and draw a long spark. Even though it's firing a 3/4" gap, it's still only firing 12kv. If you were to hold it away from ground and start bringing it in, the gap at which it starts firing would be much smaller than the gap it will fire as you draw it away. The gap it starts firing at is an indication of the actual output. J.B. Castagnos From todengine at zoominternet.net Tue Feb 1 17:49:05 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:49:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Last Piece of IR Compressor Moved! Message-ID: <006b01c508c9$60e58370$2fc19a18@pengy> I finally moved the last piece of our Ingersoll Rand type 10 Imperial steam driven compressor from Cleveland to Youngstown today. It was the crankshaft and flywheel on our dual axle trailer. I thought it was going to be trouble, a big round thing that wants to roll, but I must have tied it down good as it didn't budge an inch the whole trip. On the way up to Cleveland this morning I passed a pickup on its side and was delayed by a bad accident on 480, I'm just glad it wasn't my pickup on its side!!! So now the compressor is completely moved to our restoration shop and will be reassembled and restored there, to eventually be moved to the Tod Engine Heritage Park for display. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Feb 1 18:16:03 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:16:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Vacuum Tubes (Valves) Source In-Reply-To: <41FF121B.2020708@comcast.net> References: <41FD8F1E.6040409@comcast.net> <2571271617f1d77251968b5daa59175c@chartertn.net> <41FE1B6D.5000206@comcast.net> <41FF121B.2020708@comcast.net> Message-ID: > Mike wrote: John, can you get me the etols website/contact info? Thanks http://www.halfin.com/etols/html/vacuum-tube.htm They've upgraded their site since I've been on it. $3.15 for Russian 6V6s looks pretty reasonable to me. I've got a bunch of Russian 6L6s I bought from them for $2.70. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From l-d-holderman at kconline.com Tue Feb 1 18:23:18 2005 From: l-d-holderman at kconline.com (Larry Holderman) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:23:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing References: <004501c508c7$3865ffd0$c880f1d8@lholderman> Message-ID: <001a01c508ce$2d69a2b0$ab82f1d8@lholderman> I should say it is a Model "R" Accurate Magneto... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Holderman" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 8:33 PM Subject: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing > I am working on a Accurate aka: A&E magneto off of a Mogul 1hp. The engine > will start without any problems on a coil and battery and when you switch it > over to the mag it will not run much at all. The ignitor has all new mica > washers and adjusted and works fine. I have had the magnets charged with a > large magneto charger and they have lots of pull. I have the armature out > of the mag and all the collector brushes and the parts that they ride on are > clean and in excellent shape. From what I have been told that it looks like > I might have bad coil windings... My question is how do you check and > armature and windings?? And if it is the windings who can do this kind of > winding repair?? I have also been told that they are harder to rewind than > other mags but I don't know this to be true. > > Thanks for any help > > Larry Holderman > Warsaw, Indiana > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 19:59:25 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:59:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] semi-OT Graham in Oz's antique engine gear cutting Message-ID: <20050202035925.56427.qmail@web52707.mail.yahoo.com> To: Graham in Oz Hi, there, Graham! For 56 teeth you will be fine using a cutter for 54-55 teeth. I am very surprised that the cutter is specified for only 54 and 55 teeth because with that number they are in the range of being able to cut at least four consecutive ranges of teeth acceptably, in this case it would probably be 53, 54, 55, and 56. The cutter possibly could be for high speed performance gears, which is of little concern for your application. Or it is for helical gearing and won't work at all. You are quite right about it being correct for only one pitch and all the others being close approximations, but at that great number of teeth the differences in the individual involute curves between 54 and 56 teeth are getting to be very slight. The biggest problem you might have is that the teeth will be a little too fat and may not have enough clearance between them, but I doubt it because the crank gear probably has made a few turns by now and is worn a bit! In case the new gear teeth are too fat, that can be fixed pretty easily by either slightly re-indexing the newly cut gear on the index head BEFORE loosening or removing it from the collet or chuck so it cuts an additional 0.125 millimeter (~ 0.005-inch) from the contact faces of one side of the teeth, or by lapping on a babbit gear that has been cut with the same cutter. Don?t lap it using your original crankshaft mating gear, it probably has enough wear on it already! If you have enough babbit or lead wheel weights lying around, cast a gear blank a bit over the size needed to cut a 56-tooth gear and make all your experiments on it (in my shop I call mistakes my ?set-up experiments? {:>). Before casting your babbit, flux it by stirring it up with rosin, candle wax, or even some sugar or sawdust that is floating on top and burning, and then skim the dross off to get any dirt and grit out. Don?t have anything damp in your mold because it will explode with quite surprising violence all over the place, or make it from sand because it will embed and ruin your cutter. For casting round babbit biscuits I use a piece of iron banding strap from a shipping crate rolled up into a circle lying on a thick steel plate. Machine your soft lead alloy blank to size and then try cutting a few teeth on that so you get all the surprises out of the way. After cutting a few teeth, if it comes out so that the cutter makes teeth too fat to mate with the crank gear, then re-index it and re-cut those few teeth until it mates, and then when cutting the real gear follow the same procedure. If you want to lap the new gear to make it fit better or smooth it up, re-cast the set-up babbit gear and machine it for 55-teeth instead of 56. This is because when lapping gears with the same number of teeth, the timing MUST be changed one tooth at a time until all the teeth have been gone through, otherwise each tooth becomes mated with only one particular notch! To avoid that, make the lapping gear with 55 teeth instead of 56 so it has a floating or ?hunting tooth?. That is why gear trains always have every-other intermediate gear with a prime number of teeth, or the sum of the numbers of teeth in each pair of gears in a train is a prime number, or each pair of gears has a number of teeth that do not share a common prime numerical factor with the number of teeth on the other gear. All that is to make sure that all the teeth eventually come into contact with one another and spread the wear evenly. Gear shift transmissions where the gear pairs are constantly disengaged and then re-engaged with random timing, engine camshaft drives with only two gears, and mechanical calculating machines (like old-fashioned cash registers) that rely on specific ratios to work, are the exceptions. Camshaft drives almost always have a third drive component, either an idler gear or drive chain, with prime number indexing so as to avoid uneven wear. Where there is no ?hunting tooth? in a drive it MUST be re-assembling with the original gear tooth timing to prevent unfamiliar gear tooth mating, which causes galling from very high point contact pressure from wear-misshapen surfaces. Valve camshaft drives of course already have timing marks. Too bad babbit isn?t a little tougher, you could make the real gear from it. For very light duty at slow speeds you can, actually. There are some pretty good grades of aluminum around now that machine easily but have good wear characteristics that you could make the working gear from, unless you want it to be made from the original material for authenticity. I melt down old zinc Zamac die cast metal (don?t accidentally get any aluminum die cast in it, it will ruin everything) from junk to use for a lot of things like this since it works great for light duty gears. The gears in my 65-year old Atlas lathe are Zamac, which is pretty good testimony to the durability of that alloy. Rich Allen Re: Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:23:00 +1100 (EST) From: Graham Harris Subject: [SEL] re: Gear making in brief - a question Hi Rich and Tommy N-i-c-e practical info on gears mates. I's even saved me a copy. Got one question that no one seems to be able to answer for me. I would like to have a go at cutting a cam gear for my Novo 4. Needed is a 56 tooth gear, 10 pitch and 14.5 PA I'd assume. I have a involute gear cutter here that cuts the 54-55 tooth range (or whatever is the standard teeth count for the numbered cutter). So the question is...can I use this cutter indexed correctly to do the 56 teeth? I mean, how much "out" would it be? My understanding is that the cutters are only exact for one teeth count and all others in the range are close approximations. Thanks much Graham in Oz From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Feb 1 22:00:14 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 01:00:14 EST Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 4353733487 (Ends Feb-03-05 18:33:49 PST) - 6 inch belt la Message-ID: <148.3d59c5c5.2f31c66e@aol.com> Hi, A few days ago someone was inquirying about belt lacing tool. Here is one being auctioned on eBay. _Click here: eBay item 4353733487 (Ends Feb-03-05 18:33:49 PST) - 6 inch belt lacing tool tractor hit miss motor belts_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=303&item=4353733487&rd=1) Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Feb 1 23:39:28 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:39:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing References: <004501c508c7$3865ffd0$c880f1d8@lholderman> Message-ID: <003101c508fa$53ef3900$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Larry, I have a few A&E mags with new windings and some other brands too. The magneto man here (there're only a few good ones) rewinds them in 90% of all cases. There're no parts here for US mags so you have to repair them. He told me when the windings get warm and there is some damage in the insulation of the wire you got troubles or even the wire could be broken somewhere inside. A new winding cost $150 for the average mag. I have a Bosch mag on my HSCS engine that was hardly to start because I couldn't make enough revolutions by hand on the flywheels, so he rewound the armature with thinner and more windings (special new kind of wire) and I got more Volts by less revolutions and the engine starts in once now. I'm bad in electrics so can't tell you how to test it, he put it in his test machine let it run 300 rpm and at both sides he placed a hair dryer to make warmed and read the Volt and Amp meters that's what I have seen. When the A&E mag was done it gave 5-6 Volts. Take care, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > I am working on a Accurate aka: A&E magneto off of a Mogul 1hp. The engine > will start without any problems on a coil and battery and when you switch it > over to the mag it will not run much at all. The ignitor has all new mica > washers and adjusted and works fine. I have had the magnets charged with a > large magneto charger and they have lots of pull. I have the armature out > of the mag and all the collector brushes and the parts that they ride on are > clean and in excellent shape. From what I have been told that it looks like > I might have bad coil windings... My question is how do you check and > armature and windings?? And if it is the windings who can do this kind of > winding repair?? I have also been told that they are harder to rewind than > other mags but I don't know this to be true. > > Thanks for any help > > Larry Holderman > Warsaw, Indiana > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 2 00:00:26 2005 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 02:00:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing References: <004501c508c7$3865ffd0$c880f1d8@lholderman> Message-ID: <001901c508fd$41fdfe40$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Hi Larry, in my oppinion, it's most unlikely that you need a re-wind. That mag should make 15 to 18 volts AC @ 500 RPM. What about you timing ???? (Mag to ignitor I mean) I had a 1 hp with R mag and I got it cheap from Kenny Wolf cause the mag was bad, I timed it and rebuilt the ignitor and it would start on one turn. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Holderman" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:33 PM Subject: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing >I am working on a Accurate aka: A&E magneto off of a Mogul 1hp. The engine > will start without any problems on a coil and battery and when you switch > it > over to the mag it will not run much at all. The ignitor has all new mica > washers and adjusted and works fine. I have had the magnets charged with > a > large magneto charger and they have lots of pull. I have the armature out > of the mag and all the collector brushes and the parts that they ride on > are > clean and in excellent shape. From what I have been told that it looks > like > I might have bad coil windings... My question is how do you check and > armature and windings?? And if it is the windings who can do this kind of > winding repair?? I have also been told that they are harder to rewind > than > other mags but I don't know this to be true. > > Thanks for any help > > Larry Holderman > Warsaw, Indiana > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Feb 2 02:30:53 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 21:30:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) Message-ID: <200502021030.j12AUm0E031287@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564 Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Feb 2 08:29:48 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:29:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) In-Reply-To: <200502021030.j12AUm0E031287@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502021030.j12AUm0E031287@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: G'day Patrick, This is the question that I sent to the seller. We'll see if I get a response. 8-)) Dear kellbarb, And the key question is are you going to keep the money from the sale or are you going to donate it to the ATIS Charity Auction fund? See ya, Arnie On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564 From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 2 08:33:24 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:33:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Real motormen know Message-ID: <005a01c50944$eb927fc0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> http://www.indianmotorbikes.com/features/munro/movie.htm This guy is Seabuiscuit on wheels . Spent 50 years working on the same engine till he got it "just right". I think Reg would have been infinitely more believable than Sir Hopkins , especially at speed . At least they didnt cast Leonardo . From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 2 08:41:25 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:41:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) In-Reply-To: References: <200502021030.j12AUm0E031287@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <59684.165.206.180.118.1107362485.squirrel@165.206.180.118> If the seller will donate, I'll bid........... That was a question I had as well. Bill > G'day Patrick, > > This is the question that I sent to the seller. We'll see if I get a > response. 8-)) > > Dear kellbarb, > > And the key question is are you going to keep the money from the sale or > are you going to donate it to the ATIS Charity Auction fund? See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Feb 2 08:50:27 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:50:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) In-Reply-To: References: <200502021030.j12AUm0E031287@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: And the answer is.... I'm hoping to put the money towards the street rod project. It's running way over on co$t$. Is there anymore decals available? I just put thm on E-bay to see what would happen. Barb & I have been cleaning up around the house just trying to get some cash to become debt free. We've been listening alot to Dave Ramsey. Since more than just List people look at it. I checked around Christmas and didn't see the ATIS Auction. Has it moved? Take Care! Kelly kellyr at evansville.net ============================================== On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Arnie Fero wrote: > G'day Patrick, > > This is the question that I sent to the seller. We'll see if I get a > response. 8-)) > > Dear kellbarb, > > And the key question is are you going to keep the money from the sale or > are you going to donate it to the ATIS Charity Auction fund? See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564 > _______________________________________________ From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Feb 2 07:38:05 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:38:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave) Message-ID: <20050202.114405.1400.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hey Guys, Anyone remember Mod West ? There's a guy that coud tell you anything you wanted to know about Buzz Coils. I have one that he got working for me. He'd tell you the condidion of the coil - what it was putting out - and - How much it was drawing. He was a "Good ol' guy". Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Feb 2 11:17:50 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 14:17:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) In-Reply-To: References: <200502021030.j12AUm0E031287@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050202141618.11372120@mail.alltel.net> Hi Arnie, Be VERY careful where you tell someone to sit! Dave At 11:50 AM 2/2/2005, you wrote: >And the answer is.... > >I'm hoping to put the money towards the street rod project. It's running >way over on co$t$. Is there anymore decals available? I just put thm on >E-bay to see what would happen. Barb & I have been cleaning up around the >house just trying to get some cash to become debt free. We've been >listening alot to Dave Ramsey. Since more than just List people look at >it. I checked around Christmas and didn't see the ATIS Auction. Has it >moved? Take Care! Kelly kellyr at evansville.net > >============================================== > >On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Arnie Fero wrote: > > > G'day Patrick, > > > > This is the question that I sent to the seller. We'll see if I get a > > response. 8-)) > > > > Dear kellbarb, > > > > And the key question is are you going to keep the money from the sale or > > are you going to donate it to the ATIS Charity Auction fund? See ya, Arnie > > > > On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564 > > _______________________________________________ > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 2 10:43:05 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:43:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) In-Reply-To: References: <200502021030.j12AUm0E031287@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <60389.165.206.180.118.1107369785.squirrel@165.206.180.118> So much for that..... wonder what I can sell to pay for my upcoming car restoration project! Bill > And the answer is.... > > I'm hoping to put the money towards the street rod project. It's running > way over on co$t$. Is there anymore decals available? I just put thm on > E-bay to see what would happen. Barb & I have been cleaning up around the > house just trying to get some cash to become debt free. We've been > listening alot to Dave Ramsey. Since more than just List people look at > it. I checked around Christmas and didn't see the ATIS Auction. Has it > moved? Take Care! Kelly kellyr at evansville.net > > ============================================== > > On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Arnie Fero wrote: > >> G'day Patrick, >> >> This is the question that I sent to the seller. We'll see if I get a >> response. 8-)) >> >> Dear kellbarb, >> >> And the key question is are you going to keep the money from the sale or >> are you going to donate it to the ATIS Charity Auction fund? See ya, >> Arnie >> >> On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >> >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564 >> _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Feb 2 12:23:07 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:23:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) In-Reply-To: <60389.165.206.180.118.1107369785.squirrel@165.206.180.118> References: <200502021030.j12AUm0E031287@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <60389.165.206.180.118.1107369785.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050202151358.0224aa80@mail.alltel.net> Hi Bill (and Others), I have a limited supply of these "decals" that John gave me at Portland the last time he was on this side of the pond. I had intended to put them "up" on the ATIS Charity Auction this year, but never got around to it. SO, now is your chance to have one (or two, or more.) I'll sell them for $5.00 each (or two for $9.00) and I'll pay the shipping anywhere in the USA. All money collected will be sent to Spencer for the Charity Auction. Dave PS, I'm at: Dave Rotigel 208 Kennan Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 PPS, Be sure to include your snail so I will know where to send the decal(s). PPPS, The supply is limited, so when they are all gone, that's it. So it's "first come first serve!" At 01:43 PM 2/2/2005, you wrote: >So much for that..... wonder what I can sell to pay for my upcoming car >restoration project! > >Bill > > > And the answer is.... > > > > I'm hoping to put the money towards the street rod project. It's running > > way over on co$t$. Is there anymore decals available? I just put thm on > > E-bay to see what would happen. Barb & I have been cleaning up around the > > house just trying to get some cash to become debt free. We've been > > listening alot to Dave Ramsey. Since more than just List people look at > > it. I checked around Christmas and didn't see the ATIS Auction. Has it > > moved? Take Care! Kelly kellyr at evansville.net > > > > ============================================== > > > > On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Arnie Fero wrote: > > > >> G'day Patrick, > >> > >> This is the question that I sent to the seller. We'll see if I get a > >> response. 8-)) > >> > >> Dear kellbarb, > >> > >> And the key question is are you going to keep the money from the sale or > >> are you going to donate it to the ATIS Charity Auction fund? See ya, > >> Arnie > >> > >> On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >> > >> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564 > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 2 13:04:09 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:04:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050202151358.0224aa80@mail.alltel.net> References: <200502021030.j12AUm0E031287@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <60389.165.206.180.118.1107369785.squirrel@165.206.180.118> <6.1.2.0.0.20050202151358.0224aa80@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <61339.165.206.180.118.1107378249.squirrel@165.206.180.118> You have a deal for 2 if it goes to the charity auction proceeds. You'll have my money in a day or two. Bill > Hi Bill (and Others), > I have a limited supply of these "decals" that John gave me at > Portland the last time he was on this side of the pond. I had intended to > put them "up" on the ATIS Charity Auction this year, but never got around > to it. SO, now is your chance to have one (or two, or more.) I'll sell > them > for $5.00 each (or two for $9.00) and I'll pay the shipping anywhere in > the > USA. All money collected will be sent to Spencer for the Charity Auction. > Dave > PS, I'm at: Dave Rotigel > 208 Kennan Drive > Greensburg, PA > 15601 > PPS, Be sure to include your snail so I will know where to send the > decal(s). > PPPS, The supply is limited, so when they are all gone, that's it. So it's > "first come first serve!" > > At 01:43 PM 2/2/2005, you wrote: >>So much for that..... wonder what I can sell to pay for my upcoming car >>restoration project! >> >>Bill >> >> > And the answer is.... >> > >> > I'm hoping to put the money towards the street rod project. It's >> running >> > way over on co$t$. Is there anymore decals available? I just put thm >> on >> > E-bay to see what would happen. Barb & I have been cleaning up around >> the >> > house just trying to get some cash to become debt free. We've been >> > listening alot to Dave Ramsey. Since more than just List people look >> at >> > it. I checked around Christmas and didn't see the ATIS Auction. Has it >> > moved? Take Care! Kelly kellyr at evansville.net >> > >> > ============================================== >> > >> > On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Arnie Fero wrote: >> > >> >> G'day Patrick, >> >> >> >> This is the question that I sent to the seller. We'll see if I get a >> >> response. 8-)) >> >> >> >> Dear kellbarb, >> >> >> >> And the key question is are you going to keep the money from the sale >> or >> >> are you going to donate it to the ATIS Charity Auction fund? See ya, >> >> Arnie >> >> >> >> On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Feb 2 13:41:06 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:41:06 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) References: <200502021030.j12AUm0E031287@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><60389.165.206.180.118.1107369785.squirrel@165.206.180.118> <6.1.2.0.0.20050202151358.0224aa80@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000901c5096f$e6982e40$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Excelent Dave! Good work, let them dig their pockets out. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > Hi Bill (and Others), > I have a limited supply of these "decals" that John gave me at > Portland the last time he was on this side of the pond. I had intended to > put them "up" on the ATIS Charity Auction this year, but never got around > to it. SO, now is your chance to have one (or two, or more.) I'll sell them > for $5.00 each (or two for $9.00) and I'll pay the shipping anywhere in the > USA. All money collected will be sent to Spencer for the Charity Auction. > Dave > PS, I'm at: Dave Rotigel > 208 Kennan Drive > Greensburg, PA > 15601 > PPS, Be sure to include your snail so I will know where to send the decal(s). > PPPS, The supply is limited, so when they are all gone, that's it. So it's > "first come first serve!" From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 2 15:42:19 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:42:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Big Splinter - Be Careful!! Message-ID: <007501c50980$d7e52630$230110ac@PAUL> Click on the URL below to see a bad accident involving a big splinter. http://community.webshots.com/slideshow?ID=265468719&key=GFhMIS This is an actual emergency room photo of a gentleman who lost control of his motorcycle on a country road in West Virginia. Troopers believe that he was traveling at a speed of approximately 75 mph at the time of the accident. He was unable to negotiate a curve in the road. Unfortunately for him, upon striking the ditch and being ejected from the bike, he landed back end first on a fencepost from an old barnyard fence that was downed on the side of the road. The good news is that after about 6 months, this man made a full recovery after suffering a shattered hip, broken leg, several broken ribs, internal injuries, and "soft tissue" damage. Doctors credited his recovery to the fact that the post lodged itself so tightly that there was little or no blood loss. From l-d-holderman at kconline.com Wed Feb 2 16:37:27 2005 From: l-d-holderman at kconline.com (Larry Holderman) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:37:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing References: <004501c508c7$3865ffd0$c880f1d8@lholderman> <001901c508fd$41fdfe40$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <001f01c50988$8dbf64a0$7489f1d8@lholderman> Ted & John Thanks for the replies on my mag problem. I think I will get it setup to turn at 500rpm and see what I get. Larry Holderman Warsaw, Indiana USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Brookover" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 3:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing > Hi Larry, in my oppinion, it's most unlikely that you need a re-wind. > > That mag should make 15 to 18 volts AC @ 500 RPM. > > What about you timing ???? (Mag to ignitor I mean) > > I had a 1 hp with R mag and I got it cheap from Kenny Wolf cause the mag was > bad, I timed it and rebuilt the ignitor and it would start on one turn. > Ted Brookover > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > 816-763-3142 > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Holderman" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:33 PM > Subject: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing > > > >I am working on a Accurate aka: A&E magneto off of a Mogul 1hp. The engine > > will start without any problems on a coil and battery and when you switch > > it > > over to the mag it will not run much at all. The ignitor has all new mica > > washers and adjusted and works fine. I have had the magnets charged with > > a > > large magneto charger and they have lots of pull. I have the armature out > > of the mag and all the collector brushes and the parts that they ride on > > are > > clean and in excellent shape. From what I have been told that it looks > > like > > I might have bad coil windings... My question is how do you check and > > armature and windings?? And if it is the windings who can do this kind of > > winding repair?? I have also been told that they are harder to rewind > > than > > other mags but I don't know this to be true. > > > > Thanks for any help > > > > Larry Holderman > > Warsaw, Indiana > > USA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 2 16:51:06 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:51:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050202151358.0224aa80@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200502030051.j130pWLY040847@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> The money is literally in the mail, went in at Pleasant Hill PO this afternoon. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 2:23 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) Hi Bill (and Others), I have a limited supply of these "decals" that John gave me at Portland the last time he was on this side of the pond. I had intended to put them "up" on the ATIS Charity Auction this year, but never got around to it. SO, now is your chance to have one (or two, or more.) I'll sell them for $5.00 each (or two for $9.00) and I'll pay the shipping anywhere in the USA. All money collected will be sent to Spencer for the Charity Auction. Dave PS, I'm at: Dave Rotigel 208 Kennan Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 PPS, Be sure to include your snail so I will know where to send the decal(s). PPPS, The supply is limited, so when they are all gone, that's it. So it's "first come first serve!" At 01:43 PM 2/2/2005, you wrote: >So much for that..... wonder what I can sell to pay for my upcoming car >restoration project! > >Bill > > > And the answer is.... > > > > I'm hoping to put the money towards the street rod project. It's > > running way over on co$t$. Is there anymore decals available? I just > > put thm on E-bay to see what would happen. Barb & I have been > > cleaning up around the house just trying to get some cash to become > > debt free. We've been listening alot to Dave Ramsey. Since more than > > just List people look at it. I checked around Christmas and didn't > > see the ATIS Auction. Has it moved? Take Care! Kelly > > kellyr at evansville.net > > > > ============================================== > > > > On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Arnie Fero wrote: > > > >> G'day Patrick, > >> > >> This is the question that I sent to the seller. We'll see if I get > >> a response. 8-)) > >> > >> Dear kellbarb, > >> > >> And the key question is are you going to keep the money from the > >> sale or are you going to donate it to the ATIS Charity Auction > >> fund? See ya, Arnie > >> > >> On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >> > >> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871 > 442564 > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Wed Feb 2 18:24:18 2005 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 21:24:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY.......... References: <20050201123804.98201.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com> <1107266048.41ff8a00eee17@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> <42001706.1040304@wiktel.com> Message-ID: <002001c50997$76dd3f50$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> The NPTF threads have a taper of 7/8" per foot, something I did not know until recently. Now I'm trying to figure out, if the "F" does not stand for fine, as in screw thread sizes, what does it stand for? "Dryseal"? Now I'll be up all night!;-) Best Regards; Jim Mackessy Syracuse, New York, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Olson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY.......... > Just to add some confusion to the thread, no pun intended, I'll add the > following info: I am a licensed electrician and looking in the National > Electrical Code book under IMC or Rigid conduit about threading pipe > (conduit), it states the following. "Where conduit is threaded in the > field, a standard cutting die with a taper of 1 in 16 (3/4 inch per > foot) shall be used. Fine Print Note: See ANSI/ASME B.1.20..1-1983, > Standard for Pipe Threads, General Purpose (Inch)." > I don't know if this helps or hinders the ongoing diolog, but I give > it for what it's worth. > William Olson, Roosevelt, MN > > diesel at easynet.co.uk wrote: > > >Quoting James Yost : > > > >>Bill, > >> > >>Both are correct. I do not think you could win or > >>loose on trying to see who is right or wrong. > >>Engineers sometime refer it as taper but us common > >>folk say thread. > >> > >>Jim > >> > > > >I'd say National Pipe Thread is the correct term, as the thread comes (as does > >the British Standard Pipe thread) in both taper and parallel forms. Both are > >listed in the SAE handbooks that we have. > > > >Peter > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Wed Feb 2 18:33:40 2005 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 21:33:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) References: <200502021030.j12AUm0E031287@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><60389.165.206.180.118.1107369785.squirrel@165.206.180.118> <6.1.2.0.0.20050202151358.0224aa80@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002701c50998$c5b3c8a0$9fc77040@user> Dave, save me a pair. Will get the money off tomorrow! Paul Russell Riga, Michigan hit_n_miss at tc3net.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) Hi Bill (and Others), I have a limited supply of these "decals" that John gave me at Portland the last time he was on this side of the pond. I had intended to put them "up" on the ATIS Charity Auction this year, but never got around to it. SO, now is your chance to have one (or two, or more.) I'll sell them for $5.00 each (or two for $9.00) and I'll pay the shipping anywhere in the USA. All money collected will be sent to Spencer for the Charity Auction. Dave PS, I'm at: Dave Rotigel 208 Kennan Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 PPS, Be sure to include your snail so I will know where to send the decal(s). PPPS, The supply is limited, so when they are all gone, that's it. So it's "first come first serve!" At 01:43 PM 2/2/2005, you wrote: >So much for that..... wonder what I can sell to pay for my upcoming car >restoration project! > >Bill > > > And the answer is.... > > > > I'm hoping to put the money towards the street rod project. It's running > > way over on co$t$. Is there anymore decals available? I just put thm on > > E-bay to see what would happen. Barb & I have been cleaning up around the > > house just trying to get some cash to become debt free. We've been > > listening alot to Dave Ramsey. Since more than just List people look at > > it. I checked around Christmas and didn't see the ATIS Auction. Has it > > moved? Take Care! Kelly kellyr at evansville.net > > > > ============================================== > > > > On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Arnie Fero wrote: > > > >> G'day Patrick, > >> > >> This is the question that I sent to the seller. We'll see if I get a > >> response. 8-)) > >> > >> Dear kellbarb, > >> > >> And the key question is are you going to keep the money from the sale or > >> are you going to donate it to the ATIS Charity Auction fund? See ya, > >> Arnie > >> > >> On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >> > >> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564 > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/05 From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 2 18:43:29 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:43:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 4353733487 (Ends Feb-03-05 18:33:49 PST) - 6 inch belt la In-Reply-To: <148.3d59c5c5.2f31c66e@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050203024329.58464.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com> Cool Francis, That looks a lot like the one I bought at the Buckley show last summer. Mine came with a good sized box of lacing materials and also another lacer that is made to use in a vise. I asked if it was for sale,,,, He could have simply said NO! Instead he said," No,,.,If I was going to sell that one with all the stuff in that box I would have to ask $50 for it." I pulled out a $50 bill and held it out. When he reached out and took it the deal was made. Then I let him borrow it to lace a belt for a guy. That was why he had it there to lace belts for folks. I bought an even cooler one at the fall swap meet so I now have three belt lacers. Alan Bowen rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Williamsburg, Michigan --- FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > Hi, > A few days ago someone was inquirying about belt lacing tool. Here is one > being auctioned on eBay. > > _Click here: eBay item 4353733487 (Ends Feb-03-05 18:33:49 PST) - 6 inch > belt lacing tool tractor hit miss motor belts_ http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=303&item=4353733487&rd=1 > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From ottawa at pa.net Wed Feb 2 18:51:08 2005 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 21:51:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY.......... References: <20050201123804.98201.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com><1107266048.41ff8a00eee17@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk><42001706.1040304@wiktel.com> <002001c50997$76dd3f50$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> Message-ID: <001a01c5099b$36c35900$e97a3b42@HONDESKTOP> Hope this page satisfies your curiousity! Dryseal American National Standard Taper Pipe Threads NPTF http://www.emuge.com/technical/2005_threading_clamping.html Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers RR 1, Box 2032 Blain, PA 17006 The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 ----- Original Message ----- From: James Mackessy To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY.......... The NPTF threads have a taper of 7/8" per foot, something I did not know until recently. Now I'm trying to figure out, if the "F" does not stand for fine, as in screw thread sizes, what does it stand for? "Dryseal"? Now I'll be up all night!;-) Best Regards; Jim Mackessy Syracuse, New York, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Feb 2 20:17:25 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 23:17:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) In-Reply-To: <002701c50998$c5b3c8a0$9fc77040@user> References: <200502021030.j12AUm0E031287@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <60389.165.206.180.118.1107369785.squirrel@165.206.180.118> <6.1.2.0.0.20050202151358.0224aa80@mail.alltel.net> <002701c50998$c5b3c8a0$9fc77040@user> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050202231611.02585ed8@mail.alltel.net> Hi Paul, Be sure to let me know your snail so I can know where to send them! Dave At 09:33 PM 2/2/2005, you wrote: >Dave, save me a pair. Will get the money off tomorrow! > >Paul Russell >Riga, Michigan >hit_n_miss at tc3net.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dave Rotigel" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 3:23 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) > > >Hi Bill (and Others), > I have a limited supply of these "decals" that John gave me at >Portland the last time he was on this side of the pond. I had intended to >put them "up" on the ATIS Charity Auction this year, but never got around >to it. SO, now is your chance to have one (or two, or more.) I'll sell them >for $5.00 each (or two for $9.00) and I'll pay the shipping anywhere in the >USA. All money collected will be sent to Spencer for the Charity Auction. > Dave >PS, I'm at: Dave Rotigel > 208 Kennan Drive > Greensburg, PA > 15601 >PPS, Be sure to include your snail so I will know where to send the >decal(s). >PPPS, The supply is limited, so when they are all gone, that's it. So it's >"first come first serve!" > >At 01:43 PM 2/2/2005, you wrote: > >So much for that..... wonder what I can sell to pay for my upcoming car > >restoration project! > > > >Bill > > > > > And the answer is.... > > > > > > I'm hoping to put the money towards the street rod project. It's running > > > way over on co$t$. Is there anymore decals available? I just put thm on > > > E-bay to see what would happen. Barb & I have been cleaning up around >the > > > house just trying to get some cash to become debt free. We've been > > > listening alot to Dave Ramsey. Since more than just List people look at > > > it. I checked around Christmas and didn't see the ATIS Auction. Has it > > > moved? Take Care! Kelly kellyr at evansville.net > > > > > > ============================================== > > > > > > On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Arnie Fero wrote: > > > > > >> G'day Patrick, > > >> > > >> This is the question that I sent to the seller. We'll see if I get a > > >> response. 8-)) > > >> > > >> Dear kellbarb, > > >> > > >> And the key question is are you going to keep the money from the sale >or > > >> are you going to donate it to the ATIS Charity Auction fund? See ya, > > >> Arnie > > >> > > >> On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564 > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/05 > > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/05 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 2 20:51:29 2005 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:51:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing References: <004501c508c7$3865ffd0$c880f1d8@lholderman><001901c508fd$41fdfe40$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <001f01c50988$8dbf64a0$7489f1d8@lholderman> Message-ID: <005a01c509ac$070489d0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Just a word of caution folks, some Accurate and IHC "R" magnetos can be spun at 500 RPM and some cannot. If the Mag has a gear and is meant to be "Rotary", spin to your hearts content, however some of these were set up to work as "Oscilating Magnetos" these must never be spun, as there is a wire connection inside that will be wrecked if spun. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Holderman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing > Ted & John > > Thanks for the replies on my mag problem. I think I will get it setup to > turn at 500rpm and see what I get. > > Larry Holderman > Warsaw, Indiana > USA > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ted Brookover" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 3:00 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing > > >> Hi Larry, in my oppinion, it's most unlikely that you need a re-wind. >> >> That mag should make 15 to 18 volts AC @ 500 RPM. >> >> What about you timing ???? (Mag to ignitor I mean) >> >> I had a 1 hp with R mag and I got it cheap from Kenny Wolf cause the mag > was >> bad, I timed it and rebuilt the ignitor and it would start on one turn. >> Ted Brookover >> 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. >> Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 >> 816-763-3142 >> ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ >> Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm >> >> This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Larry Holderman" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:33 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing >> >> >> >I am working on a Accurate aka: A&E magneto off of a Mogul 1hp. The > engine >> > will start without any problems on a coil and battery and when you > switch >> > it >> > over to the mag it will not run much at all. The ignitor has all new > mica >> > washers and adjusted and works fine. I have had the magnets charged > with >> > a >> > large magneto charger and they have lots of pull. I have the armature > out >> > of the mag and all the collector brushes and the parts that they ride >> > on >> > are >> > clean and in excellent shape. From what I have been told that it looks >> > like >> > I might have bad coil windings... My question is how do you check and >> > armature and windings?? And if it is the windings who can do this kind > of >> > winding repair?? I have also been told that they are harder to rewind >> > than >> > other mags but I don't know this to be true. >> > >> > Thanks for any help >> > >> > Larry Holderman >> > Warsaw, Indiana >> > USA >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Feb 2 21:09:23 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:09:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing In-Reply-To: <005a01c509ac$070489d0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <004501c508c7$3865ffd0$c880f1d8@lholderman> <001901c508fd$41fdfe40$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <001f01c50988$8dbf64a0$7489f1d8@lholderman> <005a01c509ac$070489d0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050203000648.025a82f0@mail.alltel.net> At 11:51 PM 2/2/2005, you wrote: >Just a word of caution folks, some Accurate and IHC "R" magnetos can be >spun at 500 RPM and some cannot. >If the Mag has a gear and is meant to be "Rotary", spin to your hearts >content, however some of these were set up to work as "Oscilating >Magnetos" these must never be spun, as there is a wire connection inside >that will be wrecked if spun. >Ted Brookover >No big deal Ted. If someone spins one that should not be spun I know a guy >in Missouri who can probably fix it! Dave From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Feb 3 04:35:59 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:35:59 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Just how do you feel about your club? Message-ID: <001301c509ec$ee6b52f0$32b73dca@ogborneuah38i3> I would like to know how other club members approach a situation that arose the other night. I attended the annual general meeting, I travelled 400 km to do so but that's my choice. Our club is the oldest club in West Australia and has some history. In the early days each member had a distinctive club badge . Even though it was an engraved plastic material ,it did have the club emblem and the members name. A recent move in the name of cost cutting has been to issue members a new '' badge ''. I prefer to call it a name tag......it is laminated cardboard with the members name printed, no engraving as in the old one. This move to the cheap name tag was instigated by a very small majority who did it as far as i am aware in an undemocratic way. I along with some like thinking fellow members raised our objections to this cheap and tawdry excuse for a Club Badge. It was put to the vote and we lost .............possibly we are considered Left Wingers! My feeling, along with some others feel that as a matter of pride we should wear something better than a bloody cardboard name tag. WE are not giving up on this and will continue the fight. As an aside the majority of members wear a club shirt at shows ............i along with others refuse to do so. My reason, either you get the grease and oil from your own engine or some ones else's over these shirts and of course that really looks shithouse. So i wear overalls. I would like to hear what others think about this issue. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From wrl at gwltd.com Thu Feb 3 05:19:24 2005 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 07:19:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Just how do you feel about your club? References: <001301c509ec$ee6b52f0$32b73dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <004101c509f3$00d32e30$0500005a@laptop> Peter, to me the answer is clear and simple. If I were in a club that went from a somewhat classy name badge to a cheep hunk of paper. I would run right out to the name badge store and have myself the best engraved tag the had to offer made up just to make a point. Then go about showing it off, unless your club has some law stopping you from this action. What can it cost $12 $15. bucks J. Dave Mayfield www.w9wrl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 6:35 AM Subject: [SEL] Just how do you feel about your club? > I would like to know how other club members approach a situation that arose > the other night. > I attended the annual general meeting, I travelled 400 km to do so but > that's my choice. > Our club is the oldest club in West Australia and has some history. In the > early days each member had a distinctive club badge . Even though it was an > engraved plastic material ,it did have the club emblem and the members > name. A recent move in the name of cost cutting has been to issue members a > new '' badge ''. I prefer to call it a name tag......it is laminated > cardboard with the members name printed, no engraving as in the old one. > This move to the cheap name tag was instigated by a very small majority who > did it as far as i am aware in an undemocratic way. I along with some like > thinking fellow members raised our objections to this cheap and tawdry > excuse for a Club Badge. It was put to the vote and we lost > .............possibly we are considered Left Wingers! > My feeling, along with some others feel that as a matter of pride we should > wear something better than a bloody cardboard name tag. > WE are not giving up on this and will continue the fight. > As an aside the majority of members wear a club shirt at shows ............i > along with others refuse to do so. My reason, either you get the grease and > oil from your own engine or some ones else's over these shirts and of course > that really looks shithouse. So i wear overalls. > I would like to hear what others think about this issue. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Feb 3 05:43:46 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 05:43:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Just how do you feel about your club? In-Reply-To: <004101c509f3$00d32e30$0500005a@laptop> References: <001301c509ec$ee6b52f0$32b73dca@ogborneuah38i3> <004101c509f3$00d32e30$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <1545.165.206.180.118.1107438226.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Was there actual discussion and/or debate? Was the cost savings shown and proven with facts and figures? Was it railroaded, or was this an actual democratic process where facts were known and shown and the decision made by a real majority? Is there a low cost alternative that looks better than the ones you dislike so much? did you present an alternative to their cheapies that would STILL save monet - IF money was the actual REAL concern? Hmmmmmmm I've had success in similar situations by being totally prepared with a better alternative that was well researched, had my duckys in a row and could show that it would still save money but not look as tacky. If there are a handful that don't like the new badges and prefer something else, are they willing to kick in the difference themselves? Sure, they should not have to, but it sort of then is still a win over the other side! A way of getting your way anyway. Bil > Peter, to me the answer is clear and simple. If I were in a club that went > from a somewhat classy name badge to a cheep hunk of paper. I would run > right out to the name badge store and have myself the best engraved tag > the > had to offer made up just to make a point. Then go about showing it off, > unless your club has some law stopping you from this action. > > What can it cost $12 $15. bucks > > J. Dave Mayfield > www.w9wrl.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 6:35 AM > Subject: [SEL] Just how do you feel about your club? > > >> I would like to know how other club members approach a situation that > arose >> the other night. >> I attended the annual general meeting, I travelled 400 km to do so but >> that's my choice. >> Our club is the oldest club in West Australia and has some history. In >> the >> early days each member had a distinctive club badge . Even though it was > an >> engraved plastic material ,it did have the club emblem and the members >> name. A recent move in the name of cost cutting has been to issue >> members > a >> new '' badge ''. I prefer to call it a name tag......it is laminated >> cardboard with the members name printed, no engraving as in the old one. >> This move to the cheap name tag was instigated by a very small majority > who >> did it as far as i am aware in an undemocratic way. I along with some >> like >> thinking fellow members raised our objections to this cheap and tawdry >> excuse for a Club Badge. It was put to the vote and we lost >> .............possibly we are considered Left Wingers! >> My feeling, along with some others feel that as a matter of pride we > should >> wear something better than a bloody cardboard name tag. >> WE are not giving up on this and will continue the fight. >> As an aside the majority of members wear a club shirt at shows > ............i >> along with others refuse to do so. My reason, either you get the grease > and >> oil from your own engine or some ones else's over these shirts and of > course >> that really looks shithouse. So i wear overalls. >> I would like to hear what others think about this issue. >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Wed Feb 2 23:31:29 2005 From: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 23:31:29 Subject: [SEL] Ruston manual Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050202233129.009ad2e0@127.0.0.1> Hello All Can anyone let me have /or point me to a manual for a Ruston & Hornsby PT. I have one from Internal Fire but it is for an earlier model. Mine is a 1949 model and has a Wico mag (I think it is called a "half loaf"). I will atach a pic (28Kb) of mine and there is another one on my site www.oldengine.org/members/evans Thanks in advance -------------- next part -------------- Best regards Jerry Evans Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Tel. +27 16 365-5787 From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Feb 3 05:50:35 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:50:35 EST Subject: [SEL] Just how do you feel about your club? Message-ID: <1ad.3090b5c3.2f33862b@aol.com> In a message dated 2/3/2005 8:03:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, jopeter at omninet.net.au writes: << I along with some like thinking fellow members raised our objections to this cheap and tawdry excuse for a Club Badge. >> Peter, Welcome to the "joys" belonging to a club!! Recently our club had similar circumstances. The board of directors held a meeting late last fall looking at the 2004 expenses and any 2005 year changes. Two items of interest were discussed at length, one being the present $10/year membership dues and the other was the $4 show admission fee. The board decided to keep the $10 membership fee the same and to increase the show admission fee to $5. When the board minutes were presented at the regular club meeting, a few raised great concerns about these fees, how it affected the budget, and how it might affect the number of club membership and spectators. After much discussion it was decided to present the budget findings, and to have the members present at the next regular meeting vote on the dues and entrance fees. After presentation/discussions at the next meeting, the majority voted to keep the $10 membership fee and to increase the spectator entrance fee to $5 for 2005, just as the board had voted to do themselves! So, one has to ask just what are the club "board of directors" duties/responsibilites? Of course the "board" is not a club dictatorship and all members ideas and input are needed and appreciated. Changes should be discussed when not agreed with. But, if every thing voted and agreed upon by the board is challenged and must be presented to all club members, then what is the board for and would anything ever get done?? Of course as we all know, when club members are asked if the would serve on the board of directors the answer is they have "conflicts" (NO) and the same answer(NO) is given when they are asked to perform a specific job function for the show! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Feb 3 07:26:19 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 07:26:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Just how do you feel about your club? In-Reply-To: <1ad.3090b5c3.2f33862b@aol.com> References: <1ad.3090b5c3.2f33862b@aol.com> Message-ID: <2047.165.206.180.118.1107444379.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Tom - you have obviously been there! Good points, all. Bill > In a message dated 2/3/2005 8:03:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, > jopeter at omninet.net.au writes: > > << I along with some like > thinking fellow members raised our objections to this cheap and tawdry > excuse for a Club Badge. >> > > Peter, > > Welcome to the "joys" belonging to a club!! > > Recently our club had similar circumstances. The board of directors held > a > meeting late last fall looking at the 2004 expenses and any 2005 year > changes. > Two items of interest were discussed at length, one being the present > $10/year membership dues and the other was the $4 show admission fee. The > board > decided to keep the $10 membership fee the same and to increase the show > admission > fee to $5. When the board minutes were presented at the regular club > meeting, a few raised great concerns about these fees, how it affected the > budget, > and how it might affect the number of club membership and spectators. > After > much discussion it was decided to present the budget findings, and to have > the > members present at the next regular meeting vote on the dues and entrance > fees. > After presentation/discussions at the next meeting, the majority voted to > keep the $10 membership fee and to increase the spectator entrance fee to > $5 for > 2005, just as the board had voted to do themselves! > > So, one has to ask just what are the club "board of directors" > duties/responsibilites? Of course the "board" is not a club dictatorship > and all members > ideas and input are needed and appreciated. Changes should be discussed > when > not agreed with. But, if every thing voted and agreed upon by the board > is > challenged and must be presented to all club members, then what is the > board for > and would anything ever get done?? > > Of course as we all know, when club members are asked if the would serve > on > the board of directors the answer is they have "conflicts" (NO) and the > same > answer(NO) is given when they are asked to perform a specific job function > for > the show! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From prepair at easynet.co.uk Thu Feb 3 08:16:31 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 16:16:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT - AC Mains Supplies in the USA (Non-Domestic) Message-ID: Can anyone give us a definitive answer to this one please? We are quoting for a large (200kW) battery charger for a US installation, and need to know what supplies are available for high -power equipment in factories and buildings. It has to be 3-phase, and because we are going to be testing over here, it will also have 440/415 delta (Wye) input connections for our own purposes. Any help would be appreciated, but please note this is NOT your average domestic supply! Thanks, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From prepair at easynet.co.uk Thu Feb 3 09:15:02 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:15:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT - AC Mains Supplies in the USA (Non-Domestic) In-Reply-To: <420254EF.7060703@atnet.net> References: <420254EF.7060703@atnet.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 08:44:31 -0800, you wrote: >Peter - Most industrial supply in the US is 440 wye 60 Hz. That being >said I'd suggest you ask the customer what it will be or who his >electrical supplier is and then ask them. The supply depends a bit on >the age of the construction and some buildings are 220 volt wye 60 hz. >3 phase is standard in the USA for larger loads like 200 kw, but it >could be either 220 or 440. Thanks for that, I also asked Tim in Ca to have a look at his utilities panel, but he went up on the roof and checked the fan motors on the aircon! 460V Nominal, range of operation 440 to 480V 60Hz. The charger will be OK on 440V 50Hz and 460V 60Hz, running slightly cooler on the higher frequency as usual. >A question for you. I ran into a water pump from India. I'm told its >an Indian design based on a clone of a standard Petter engine but >modified for cost and efficiency. [Note - the cam shaft end is not >exposed and the fly wheel location has been moved] The idea being it's >to become a standard for third world countries. I'm not a guru on the >subject and was wondering which Petter does it look to have come from? >There are two models, 2.6 and 3.5 hp both which look the same. [1100 >and 1500 rpm] It was the AV1 and the AVA1 engines, originally sold by Kirloskar as agents for Petters, then they started making them themselves when the licencing agreement ran out. Same with the Lister engines but a different agency handled them. AV1 was water-cooled, AVA1 was aircooled. >BTW - Also ran into the Indian clone of the 6.5 hp Lister CS. >Regards, > >Bob Thanks, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu Feb 3 09:32:23 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:32:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT - AC Mains Supplies in the USA (Non-Domestic) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Peter In message , Prepair Ltd writes >Can anyone give us a definitive answer to this one please? > >We are quoting for a large (200kW) battery charger for a US >installation, and need to know what supplies are available for high >-power equipment in factories and buildings. > >It has to be 3-phase, and because we are going to be testing over >here, it will also have 440/415 delta (Wye) input connections for our >own purposes. > You might also try asking on alt.engineering.electrical, misc.industry.utilities.electric and sci.engr.electrical if you haven't already. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From jdohagan at comcast.net Thu Feb 3 17:34:08 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:34:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT - AC Mains Supplies in the USA (Non-Domestic) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200502040134.j141YCqT026097@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Peter, Ask the customer for the voltage that they prefer .It differs in different areas of the neighborhoods and in any given location in a building. You don't want to add the price of a big "Hunkin" transformer to the job. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Prepair Ltd Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 8:17 AM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Cc: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] OT - AC Mains Supplies in the USA (Non-Domestic) Can anyone give us a definitive answer to this one please? We are quoting for a large (200kW) battery charger for a US installation, and need to know what supplies are available for high -power equipment in factories and buildings. It has to be 3-phase, and because we are going to be testing over here, it will also have 440/415 delta (Wye) input connections for our own purposes. Any help would be appreciated, but please note this is NOT your average domestic supply! Thanks, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From l-d-holderman at kconline.com Thu Feb 3 18:00:22 2005 From: l-d-holderman at kconline.com (Larry Holderman) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:00:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing References: <004501c508c7$3865ffd0$c880f1d8@lholderman><001901c508fd$41fdfe40$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo><001f01c50988$8dbf64a0$7489f1d8@lholderman> <005a01c509ac$070489d0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <002301c50a5d$4d8204d0$c380f1d8@lholderman> Ted: I got 10 volts out of my mag by spinning it at 500rpm. Larry Holderman Warsaw, Indiana USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Brookover" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing > Just a word of caution folks, some Accurate and IHC "R" magnetos can be spun > at 500 RPM and some cannot. > > If the Mag has a gear and is meant to be "Rotary", spin to your hearts > content, however some of these were set up to work as "Oscilating Magnetos" > these must never be spun, as there is a wire connection inside that will be > wrecked if spun. > > Ted Brookover > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > 816-763-3142 > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > From FRM8198 at aol.com Thu Feb 3 19:11:48 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:11:48 EST Subject: [SEL] Black & Decker Valve Facer Manual Message-ID: <1d7.35c6ab48.2f3441f4@aol.com> Hi List, My older model Black & Decker valve face grinder is nearly operational. The main electrical feed cord and the interconnecting electrical cords to the three motors were replaced as the old ones were deteriorating. Additionally, the static ground wires (green lead) were added to each motor as the original only had the base grounded. Two of the vee belts are in process of being replaced as soon as the parts house can get the correct ones. The partially rusted coolant tank had to be welded and brazed in three corners and one baffle spot weld. Tomorrow, the interior of this coolant tank will be coated with a two part epoxy paint. Does anyone know where I obtain a manual for this machine? It is a Black & Decker, Type NWB, Size 9/16". A copy or reprint would be OK. Thanks. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Feb 3 20:43:16 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:43:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Just how do you feel about your club? In-Reply-To: <1ad.3090b5c3.2f33862b@aol.com> References: <1ad.3090b5c3.2f33862b@aol.com> Message-ID: <4202FD64.3090902@fidnet.com> Tom, the Bylaws should spell out the duties/responsibilities of the individual board members, the board as a whole as well as the officers. Gary Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/3/2005 8:03:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, > jopeter at omninet.net.au writes: > > << I along with some like > thinking fellow members raised our objections to this cheap and tawdry > excuse for a Club Badge. >> > > Peter, > > Welcome to the "joys" belonging to a club!! > > Recently our club had similar circumstances. The board of directors held a > meeting late last fall looking at the 2004 expenses and any 2005 year changes. > Two items of interest were discussed at length, one being the present > $10/year membership dues and the other was the $4 show admission fee. The board > decided to keep the $10 membership fee the same and to increase the show admission > fee to $5. When the board minutes were presented at the regular club > meeting, a few raised great concerns about these fees, how it affected the budget, > and how it might affect the number of club membership and spectators. After > much discussion it was decided to present the budget findings, and to have the > members present at the next regular meeting vote on the dues and entrance fees. > After presentation/discussions at the next meeting, the majority voted to > keep the $10 membership fee and to increase the spectator entrance fee to $5 for > 2005, just as the board had voted to do themselves! > > So, one has to ask just what are the club "board of directors" > duties/responsibilites? Of course the "board" is not a club dictatorship and all members > ideas and input are needed and appreciated. Changes should be discussed when > not agreed with. But, if every thing voted and agreed upon by the board is > challenged and must be presented to all club members, then what is the board for > and would anything ever get done?? > > Of course as we all know, when club members are asked if the would serve on > the board of directors the answer is they have "conflicts" (NO) and the same > answer(NO) is given when they are asked to perform a specific job function for > the show! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From nick at holden1.net Thu Feb 3 10:30:55 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:30:55 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Ruston Manual Message-ID: <42026DDF.000003.00704@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi the best person to ask is Ray E Hooley at 16 Alexandre Avenue, North Hykeham, Lincoln LN6 8NR UK he is the best man to help you i think nick Get All Your Mobile Phone Accessories at www.nicksphoneunlockingshop.co.uk From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Feb 3 23:10:25 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 07:10:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Ruston Manual In-Reply-To: <42026DDF.000003.00704@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> References: <42026DDF.000003.00704@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:30:55 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), you wrote: > Hi the best person to ask is Ray E Hooley at > >16 Alexandre Avenue, North Hykeham, > >Lincoln LN6 8NR UK he is the best man to help you i think > > nick Ray is also on email: rehooley at tiscali.co.uk Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Feb 3 23:29:25 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 07:29:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT - AC Mains Supplies in the USA (Non-Domestic) In-Reply-To: <200502040134.j141YCqT026097@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502040134.j141YCqT026097@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:34:08 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Peter, Ask the customer for the voltage that they prefer .It differs in >different areas of the neighborhoods and in any given location in a >building. You don't want to add the price of a big "Hunkin" transformer to >the job. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan > >Jim O'Hagan Thanks, Jim. The transformer is about 1.45 tons finished weight.... Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Feb 4 00:31:29 2005 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:01:29 +1030 Subject: [SEL] fatg on the move ? References: <200502040134.j141YCqT026097@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000801c50a93$ece68dd0$6bc58890@chaos> http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/images/photo152_2.jpg From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 4 03:44:32 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 05:44:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant Update - Let's send cards Message-ID: <000e01c50aae$e6708c10$230110ac@PAUL> Good Morning Folks, I received the message below from Charlie's sister last night, Charlie is not feeling well and he has the big surgery next week. I ask her for his mailing address as I thought some of you might like to send Charlie a card to cheer him up and help him through this ordeal. I wish it was where I could drive around with one big card and get everyone to sign it that wanted to but this is not possible. I am sending mine out today, I know he would appreciate hearing from some of the "gang". Thanks - Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" To: Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: Thursday PM Update > Greetings again, > Charlie called --talked very briefly to tell me he has been transferred > to another room . Surgeon in to tell him the surgery would be next Monday > or Wednesday as those are the only 2 days he is there since he operates > in other hospital. He says he feels awful and doesn't feel like talking > and no appetite. Apparently very sore mouth as reaction to antibiotic. > > Hi address is ----- MA. General Hospital > 55 Fruit St > Ellison Bldg Rm 832 B > Charles Bryant Patient > Boston, MA. 02114 > > Thanks so much for praying! > C's sister > Lois > From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Fri Feb 4 04:00:01 2005 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:00:01 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: re: Gear making question - reply thanks Message-ID: <20050204120002.93996.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> Re my gear cutting question. Thanks Rich, Dan and Reg for the info. Graham, Oz Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Feb 4 05:20:01 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:20:01 EST Subject: [SEL] fatg on the move ? Message-ID: <82.20ff9cea.2f34d081@aol.com> <> Looks like the folding type ramps would be difficult to use for loading and unloading! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From sutter6 at bigpond.net.au Fri Feb 4 05:43:54 2005 From: sutter6 at bigpond.net.au (sutter) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 00:43:54 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Bamford EV1 valve timing Message-ID: <000c01c50abf$92c284e0$0100000a@rodfew3c793iy9> Hello SEL I am in the process of re-assembling a Bamford 2hp vertical EV1 engine. The large cam gear has a "drill" mark that lines up with the top of the cam on the other side - it seems to be for timing purposes. My question is - what do you line this mark up with ? - I have 3 of these gears and they all have the same mark. There are no marks on the crankshaft gear ( I have 3 crankshafts as well). I do have the instruction manual which has a timing diagram ie. Ex. closing 8 degrees after TDC - IN opening 8 degrees BTDC etc. - but makes no mention of any timing marks. The 2 valves are opening around when they should be (Ex - 45 - before BDC , In - 8 before TDC ) but seem to be closing too soon ie. Ex is closing around 15 degrees before TDC not 8 degrees after TDC and In is closing around 15 degrees after BDC not 45 degrees after BDC - the cam is new (old stock) and cam slippers are in OK condition. I have set the tappet clearances at TDC on compression at .030 as per book. When pulling the engine to bits I did mark the gears and reinstalled them the same way but the timing seems out - if I move the cam gear one or two teeth it will throw the valve openings out which seem pretty right at the moment. Any suggestions from Bamford experts or any one else would be great and should the cam gear timing mark line up with anything ? Thanks Rod Sutter Melbourne, Australia sutter6 at bigpond.net.au 03 9763 9235 From curt at imc-group.com Fri Feb 4 06:46:25 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 09:46:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Black & Decker Valve Facer Manual In-Reply-To: <1d7.35c6ab48.2f3441f4@aol.com> References: <1d7.35c6ab48.2f3441f4@aol.com> Message-ID: <42038AC1.2060805@imc-group.com> Francis, Brother in law works for the DeWalt factory so I asked him for assistance for your grinder manual. He suggested this website for he didn't know who at B&D to contact. He also said: Try this link. Do not know if it will help, but it's the first place to go. A B&D or DeWalt Service center should be able to help him as well (locations can be found on same site). The tool he described is a consumer group product and since we do not make any power tools here for that group, I really do not know who a contact could be. Best bet is try the web site. May need to sign in, but should be able to get schematics, part numbers, drawings etc. from there. Hope this helps, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: >Hi List, >My older model Black & Decker valve face grinder is nearly operational. The >main electrical feed cord and the interconnecting electrical cords to the >three motors were replaced as the old ones were deteriorating. Additionally, >the static ground wires (green lead) were added to each motor as the original >only had the base grounded. Two of the vee belts are in process of being >replaced as soon as the parts house can get the correct ones. The partially >rusted coolant tank had to be welded and brazed in three corners and one baffle >spot weld. Tomorrow, the interior of this coolant tank will be coated with a > two part epoxy paint. > >Does anyone know where I obtain a manual for this machine? It is a Black & >Decker, Type NWB, Size 9/16". A copy or reprint would be OK. Thanks. > > > From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Feb 4 06:59:55 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:59:55 EST Subject: [SEL] Black & Decker Valve Facer Manual Message-ID: In a message dated 2/4/2005 6:58:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: Best bet is try the web site. May need to sign in, but should be able to get schematics, part numbers, drawings etc. from there. Curt, Thanks for the information. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 4 07:25:08 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:25:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT - AC Mains Supplies in the USA & English Iron In-Reply-To: References: <200502040134.j141YCqT026097@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Hiya Peter, So are ya gonna ship a whole bunch of Olde English Iron in the container with that transformer? There might be some interested folks on this side of the pond. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Fri, 4 Feb 2005, Peter A Forbes wrote: > On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:34:08 -0800, you wrote: > > Thanks, Jim. The transformer is about 1.45 tons finished weight.... From prepair at easynet.co.uk Fri Feb 4 07:42:27 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 15:42:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT - AC Mains Supplies in the USA & English Iron In-Reply-To: References: <200502040134.j141YCqT026097@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6t57011u7mk5n5bnjvbeitmno0o3unjkde@4ax.com> On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:25:08 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >Hiya Peter, > >So are ya gonna ship a whole bunch of Olde English Iron in the container >with that transformer? There might be some interested folks on this >side of the pond. 8-)) > >See ya, Arnie Interesting thought :-)) It will be going direct to R-R in this country if it goes ahead, they will do the final shipping. Are you and Dave still thinking on going to Tulare? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Fri Feb 4 10:49:03 2005 From: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 18:49:03 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Ruston Manual Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040204204514.009b70d0@127.0.0.1> Thanks Nick and Peter but I have previously contacted Ray Hooley and he was unable to help me at that time. Best regards Jerry Evans Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Tel. +27 16 365-5787 --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Feb 4 13:35:22 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:35:22 EST Subject: [SEL] safe-OT Message-ID: <7f.570e0833.2f35449a@aol.com> A while back there were some discussions about opening safes and it seemed there were some experts in this field. Would one of the experts contact me off list about an old "Cary Safe" that the dial will not turn. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Feb 4 16:05:38 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:05:38 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Ecomomy paint Message-ID: <20050204.160539.1460.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I want to paint my Economy engine; Wendel gives Dulux 674 as the color. My paint guy can match that in a multi part paint, but I am going to paint it in stages. That would make mixing small quantities and throwing a lot away. Does anyone have a suggestion for a paint like Rultoleum that could be tinted to be close? Regal Red doesn't seem too far off. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri Feb 4 18:14:29 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:14:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT 1930 IH truck Message-ID: <004701c50b28$6cfdd8e0$44ecf504@x8h7l9> Somebody had a post about a 1928 IH truck and I can't find it. My friend has a 1930 IH 1 ton, 6 speed special if some one wants it. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT From glenn.karch at gte.net Fri Feb 4 19:35:44 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:35:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ecomomy paint References: <20050204.160539.1460.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <001d01c50b33$c8bd1640$d029ea41@oemcomputer> Ron, Rust O Leum Regal Red (formerly IHC Red) is as offical as any red color for an Economy engine. Back in the days when your engine was built, there was a guy with a barrel and a boat oar mixing ingredients to make the paint color so it was not always consistant. The Sears catalog stated that the Sparta Economy engines were painted vermilion. Can translate that and be exact? Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 6:05 PM Subject: [SEL] Ecomomy paint > Hi all. > I want to paint my Economy engine; Wendel gives Dulux 674 as the color. > My paint guy can match that in a multi part paint, but I am going to > paint it in stages. That would make mixing small quantities and throwing > a lot away. Does anyone have a suggestion for a paint like Rultoleum > that could be tinted to be close? Regal Red doesn't seem too far off. > Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Feb 4 22:13:42 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:13:42 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Ecomomy paint Message-ID: <20050204.221344.1048.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Glenn. I have the Regal Red in rattle can and quart on hand. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:35:44 -0600 "Glenn A Karch" writes: > Ron, > > Rust O Leum Regal Red (formerly IHC Red) is as offical as any red > color for > an Economy engine. Back in the days when your engine was built, > there was a > guy with a barrel and a boat oar mixing ingredients to make the > paint color > so it was not always consistant. The Sears catalog stated that the > Sparta > Economy engines were painted vermilion. Can translate that and be > exact? > > Glenn > > Glenn Karch > Haubstadt, IN, USA > Hercules Historian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 6:05 PM > Subject: [SEL] Ecomomy paint > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Feb 4 23:57:45 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:57:45 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Bamford EV1 valve timing In-Reply-To: <000c01c50abf$92c284e0$0100000a@rodfew3c793iy9> Message-ID: <200502050757.j157vlHE081203@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Any suggestions from Bamford experts or any one else would be > great and > should the cam gear timing mark line up with anything ? Hi Rod, It's been my experience that the early engine builders didn't have the same beliefs regarding valve timing that we have. And honestly, it's not super critical with our slow running engines. If the exhaust opens at 25 degrees rather than 45, the gases still have plently of time to evacuate the cylinder. After all, you're not building a nitro burning funny car. In fact, later is probably better. If it was me, I'd retard everything fifteen degrees and call it good. Also, remember that the rate of piston movement is a sine function. The closer the piston is to 0 or 180 degrees after TDC, the closer the velocity of the piston is to zero. A few degrees either way isn't going to make a rat's googly. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 4 21:35:45 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 00:35:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Upright Steam Engine on eBay (#3871782941) Message-ID: <1107581745.42045b31873e6@webmail.city-net.com> The description is amusing if nothing else. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Upright Steam engine hit & miss flywheel governor Item number: 3871782941 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Seller: motosicky(333) Current bid: US $305.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Time left: 7 days 18 hours 10-day listing Ends Feb-12-0515:32:04 PST ----------------------------------------------------------------- Summary  STEAM POWER!  #153-ON TOP OF CYLINDER AND ALSO ON STEAM CHEST?,PATENT DATES ON GOV.1907,PATENT DATE ON OILER 1919. approx. 44" tall to the cylinder top, 20" flywheel. Gardner governor turns stiffly , appears to have been repaired on side but may be the way it was manufactured~ your call! crosshead is grease covered and complete.flywheel is not broken, injector works fine and sights are good as well as the crank. will be bolted to a pallet for shipper of choice -shipping full responsibility of buyer. we will load with forklift ,governor and injector will be shipped separately to keep damage down. approx. weight 500lbs. maybe more. pick up must be pre -arranged so we can prepare item. thanks. ANY QUESTIONS ? ASK!!On Feb-03-05 at 04:42:25 PST, seller added the following information: serial number on gov. best i can see- 291883On Feb-03-05 at 05:07:50 PST, seller added the following information: tried to delete a date listed on governor-CORRECT DATE IS: PAT'D 1-22-07  . On Feb-03-05 at 06:44:45 PST, seller added the following information: zip is 43948 ohio, we do have a forklift. payment will be made in FULL . cashiers checks require a 3 day hold.On Feb-03-05 at 09:26:21 PST, seller added the following information: auction will end early if no interest .On Feb-03-05 at 12:55:11 PST, seller added the following information: this definately belongs in a restaurant or turn of the century barn-museum collection. highly unusual piece for the discriminating Professional Engineer /Architect or person that thinks they have it all!  we can also restore this(we can conceal a electric motor to power ) , blast/ rework,paint /plate to your specs! this is rare american foundry cast equipment that will only be found in private collections and books. this most likely powered a small work shop or mill at one time.Even the lady of the house can use this in her garden! indoors or out. keep buying foreign junk-thats something from our heritage to leave in the estate? jobs lost!On Feb-03-05 at 18:48:25 PST, seller added the following information: item does NOT have to be moved immediately. its in the back of the machine shop out of the way. we hold for a reasonable amount of time(90 days) with full payment .or until you figure out how to tell the misses that you just happened to get a good deal on this and kinda almost forgot about it and decided to take her with you up to Niagra Falls for a rekindled honeymoon and just have to take a slight detour to fetch a small motor for your good ole buddy and then you 'll be on your way-(only about 4 hrs. away!) course you also could go by that Famous basket factory and even see all the flea markets and amish people ... c'mon you aint even lying ,thats the best part! ----------------------------------------------------------------- From prepair at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 5 00:11:50 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (prepair at easynet.co.uk) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:11:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Bamford EV1 valve timing In-Reply-To: <200502050757.j157vlHE081203@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502050757.j157vlHE081203@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <1107591110.42047fc6269d1@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Quoting Rob Skinner : > > > Any suggestions from Bamford experts or any one else would be > > great and > > should the cam gear timing mark line up with anything ? > > Hi Rod, > It's been my experience that the early engine builders didn't have the same > beliefs regarding valve timing that we have. And honestly, it's not super > critical with our slow running engines. If the exhaust opens at 25 degrees > rather than 45, the gases still have plently of time to evacuate the > cylinder. > After all, you're not building a nitro burning funny car. In fact, later is > probably better. > > If it was me, I'd retard everything fifteen degrees and call it good. Also, > remember that the rate of piston movement is a sine function. The closer > the > piston is to 0 or 180 degrees after TDC, the closer the velocity of the > piston > is to zero. A few degrees either way isn't going to make a rat's googly. > > Rob I haven't got the EV1 timing information, but the later EG series were basically the same engine with a batter internal governor mechanism etc. They had a single cam, in common with a lot of other engines, and the timing is as follows: Inlet valve opens 8 degrees BTDC Inlet valve closes 45 degress ABDC Exhaust valve opens 45 degrees BBDC Exhaust valve closes 8 degrees ATDC The book says that slight adjustments to the valve timing is effected by adjusting the tappets! no tappet clearances are given. The single cam is obviously symmetrical, the valve timing differences being obtained by the position of the followers. HTH Peter -- Peter Forbes prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk --------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 5 09:26:14 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 17:26:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Bamford EV1 valve timing In-Reply-To: <1107591110.42047fc6269d1@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> References: <200502050757.j157vlHE081203@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <1107591110.42047fc6269d1@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:11:50 +0000, you wrote: >Quoting Rob Skinner : >I haven't got the EV1 timing information, but the later EG series were basically >the same engine with a batter internal governor mechanism etc. They had a single >cam, in common with a lot of other engines, and the timing is as follows: Try a 'better' governor !! :-)) Gees, I sent that at 08.11 this morning... where's it been all day?? Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Feb 5 15:23:56 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:23:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Bamford EV1 valve timing Message-ID: <20050205.152357.1520.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Rob. Is this one of the new scientific terms that Arnie taught you? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:57:45 -0800 "Rob Skinner" writes: ..................................... A few degrees either way isn't going to make a rat's > googly. > > Rob > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Feb 5 22:35:31 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:35:31 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Bamford EV1 valve timing In-Reply-To: <20050205.152357.1520.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <200502060635.j166ZW1g055795@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Is this one of the new scientific terms that Arnie taught you? It originated with a lesson from our beloved Pommy Grammar Mistress combined with American Colloquialism. The result is something that makes no sense regardless of which side of the pond one resides. From sutter6 at bigpond.net.au Sat Feb 5 22:39:02 2005 From: sutter6 at bigpond.net.au (sutter) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:39:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Bamford Valve Timing Message-ID: <000001c50c16$8c491220$0100000a@rodfew3c793iy9> Thanks for the replies - Your right - 8 degrees BTDC is not much different to 8 degrees ATDC - the piston hardly moves. I think I will finish putting it together and leave the cam gear where it is - as I said the both valves seem to be opening pretty much when they should - they just close a bit too early. I was trying to avoid assembling all the freshly painted parts and then having to pull it to bits again to alter the valve timing. These Bamford engines seem fairly common ( in Aust.) but there is not much info available that I can find except for the parts / instruction manual which doesn't mention how to line up the cam gear etc. The EV1 ang EG1 are very similar except for the Governor (External/Internal) and the Main bearings and caps (split shells/bushes - 2bolt/4 bolt). Rod Sutter Melbourne, Australia sutter6 at bigpond.net.au 03 9763 9235 From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat Feb 5 23:25:43 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 07:25:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Bamford EV1 valve timing References: <200502060635.j166ZW1g055795@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <4205C677.6BCB9894@insulate.co.uk> It make a lot of sense to the rat! Rob Skinner wrote: > > It originated with a lesson from our beloved Pommy Grammar Mistress combined > with American Colloquialism. The result is something that makes no sense > regardless of which side of the pond one resides. > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From wrl at gwltd.com Sun Feb 6 13:51:28 2005 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:51:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing Message-ID: <006501c50c96$09a4cc30$0500005a@laptop> Where can I buy old fashion belt dressing? This weekend as the weather was so nice 56 and sunny here. Western Illinois. I thought I had better make good use of it. So Friday morning after I fed my Chickens and the dog, and while the ground was frozen somewhat. I moved all my equipment in place, so on Saturday I could grind some chicken feed. I use my John Deere 48 b and an old Letz 220 grinder, anyone ever was one of these. Works real well, only trouble I have is that I don't have any good belt dressing. I was using a spray can of dressing, but it's not for big belts. If I put to much corn in the hopper I would loose traction and things would GRIND to a halt. My daughter took some pictures, and I uploaded them to my server if you would like to have a look. So any one know where I can order the good stuff? www.w9wrl.com/ebay/1.jpg www.w9wrl.com/ebay/2.jpg www.w9wrl.com/ebay/3.jpg www.w9wrl.com/ebay/4.jpg J. Dave Mayfield www.w9wrl.com From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Sun Feb 6 16:51:49 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:51:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <006501c50c96$09a4cc30$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <001b01c50caf$357690a0$71601f40@ibm22761389857> I would try Tractor Supply - Farm and Fleet or other farm supply stores. Also any belting/transmission place. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Mayfield" To: Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 16:51 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing Where can I buy old fashion belt dressing? This weekend as the weather was so nice 56 and sunny here. Western Illinois. I thought I had better make good use of it. So Friday morning after I fed my Chickens and the dog, and while the ground was frozen somewhat. I moved all my equipment in place, so on Saturday I could grind some chicken feed. I use my John Deere 48 b and an old Letz 220 grinder, anyone ever was one of these. Works real well, only trouble I have is that I don't have any good belt dressing. I was using a spray can of dressing, but it's not for big belts. If I put to much corn in the hopper I would loose traction and things would GRIND to a halt. My daughter took some pictures, and I uploaded them to my server if you would like to have a look. So any one know where I can order the good stuff? www.w9wrl.com/ebay/1.jpg www.w9wrl.com/ebay/2.jpg www.w9wrl.com/ebay/3.jpg www.w9wrl.com/ebay/4.jpg J. Dave Mayfield www.w9wrl.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 6 17:34:04 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:34:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Latest on Charlie Bryant Message-ID: <015901c50cb5$1dd465c0$230110ac@PAUL> Below is the latest update on our good friend Charlie. Tomorrow is his big day and he is counting on all of his friends prayers and best wishes to pull him through this. Please remember him tonight when you go to the Lord in prayer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" To: Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: Latest on Charlie > Greetings from Maine again! > Yesterday, Charlie was entertained with more tests! If all bring good > reports and if schedule doesn't get changed, the Assistant surgeon told > him he would have the surgery Monday. They anticipate removing the old > leads--not successful when laser was tried, remove the present pacemaker > and do replacement of the aortic valve. Guess he has a busy surgeon as > was told he did 5 a week!! He seems to be in better spirits. Has some > appetite and no longer says he feels awful! Good news! > > Thanks for your prayers and don't give up. Will keep you posted of > anything new. > Charlie's sister, > Lois > PS Gene Lapointe would like to be put on the list > e-mail--newbsthl at fidnet.com > From old_iron at msn.com Sun Feb 6 18:40:53 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:40:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT PayPal problem email-Check out the reply date!! Message-ID: Hey list members who use Paypal. Check out the date on this one!!! What idiots!!! Even leap year only has 29 days!!! Just had to share!!! Peg Pfeiffer Dear valued PayPal? member: PayPal? is committed to maintaining a safe environment for its community of buyers and sellers. To protect the security of your account, PayPal employs some of the most advanced security systems in the world and our anti-fraud teams regularly screen the PayPal system for unusual activity. Recently, our Account Review Team identified some unusual activity in your account. In accordance with PayPal's User Agreement and to ensure that your account has not been compromised, access to your account was limited. Your account access will remain limited until this issue has been resolved. This is a fraud prevention measure meant to ensure that your account is not compromised. In order to secure your account and quickly restore full access, we may require some specific information from you for the following reason: We would like to ensure that your account was not accessed by an unauthorized third party. 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We apologize for any inconvenience. Sincerely, PayPal? Account Review Department PayPal Email ID Accounts Management As outlined in our User Agreement, PayPal will periodically send you information about site changes and enhancements. Visit our Privacy Policy and User Agreement if you have any questions. http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/policy_privacy-outside From nick at holden1.net Sun Feb 6 20:57:32 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 04:57:32 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Re paypal Message-ID: <4206F53C.000003.02932@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Maybe spoof email worth reporting as they want details of your account nick Get All Your Mobile Phone Accessories at www.nicksphoneunlockingshop.co.uk From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Feb 6 21:53:39 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 05:53:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT PayPal problem email-Check out the reply date!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:40:53 -0600, you wrote: >Hey list members who use Paypal. > >Check out the date on this one!!! > >What idiots!!! > >Even leap year only has 29 days!!! > > >Just had to share!!! > > >Peg Pfeiffer It's a phishing email, Peg, foward it to spoof at paypal.com Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Feb 6 22:42:18 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:42:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <006501c50c96$09a4cc30$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <200502070642.j176gXvp097961@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Where can I buy old fashion belt dressing? > > This weekend as the weather was so nice 56 and sunny here. > Western Illinois. I thought I had better make good use of it. > So Friday morning after I fed my Chickens and the dog, and > while the ground was frozen somewhat. I moved all my > equipment in place, so on Saturday I could grind some chicken > feed. I use my John Deere 48 b and an old Letz 220 grinder, > anyone ever was one of these. Works real well, only trouble I > have is that I don't have any good belt dressing. I was using > a spray can of dressing, but it's not for big belts. If I put > to much corn in the hopper I would loose traction and things > would GRIND to a halt. My daughter took some pictures, and I > uploaded them to my server if you would like to have a look. > So any one know where I can order the good stuff? Hi Dave, Thanks for sharing the pictures! My source of stick dressing dried up, so I can't help you with that. But looking at the last picture, I notice that the pulley is twice as wide as the belt. The amount of work a flat belt can transmit is directly proportional to it's width. Get a belt of the proper width, and your slippage problems will be alleviated. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Feb 7 00:12:48 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:12:48 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <200502070642.j176gXvp097961@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000f01c50d0d$43505040$97cc3dca@ogborneuah38i3> I have heard that good old molasses works . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Belt Dressing > >> Where can I buy old fashion belt dressing? >> >> This weekend as the weather was so nice 56 and sunny here. >> Western Illinois. I thought I had better make good use of it. >> So Friday morning after I fed my Chickens and the dog, and >> while the ground was frozen somewhat. I moved all my >> equipment in place, so on Saturday I could grind some chicken >> feed. I use my John Deere 48 b and an old Letz 220 grinder, >> anyone ever was one of these. Works real well, only trouble I >> have is that I don't have any good belt dressing. I was using >> a spray can of dressing, but it's not for big belts. If I put >> to much corn in the hopper I would loose traction and things >> would GRIND to a halt. My daughter took some pictures, and I >> uploaded them to my server if you would like to have a look. >> So any one know where I can order the good stuff? > > Hi Dave, > Thanks for sharing the pictures! > > My source of stick dressing dried up, so I can't help you with that. But > looking at the last picture, I notice that the pulley is twice as wide as > the > belt. The amount of work a flat belt can transmit is directly > proportional to > it's width. Get a belt of the proper width, and your slippage problems > will be > alleviated. > > Rob > > > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Feb 7 04:57:43 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 04:57:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT PayPal problem email-Check out the reply date!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20685.165.206.180.118.1107781063.squirrel@165.206.180.118> They may be idiots but you can trust that as of now they have stolen the account numbers and personal information of thousands of bigger idiots who believe these messages and respond - giving away their information. No one - not paypal, not ebay, not any bank, etc. EVER EVER EVER asks for informaton or account verification. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phishing http://antiphishing.org/ Take a CLOSE look at the links - the url's they REALLY go to are not paypal, and in the case of ebay, are not ebay, etc. It only looks like they are, and IE browser makes it worse by NOT accurately reflecting the URL that you are redirected to. (It's another reason to not use IE, too) Bill > Hey list members who use Paypal. > > Check out the date on this one!!! > > What idiots!!! > > Even leap year only has 29 days!!! > > > Just had to share!!! > > > Peg Pfeiffer > > > > > Dear valued PayPal? member: > > > > > > PayPal? is committed to maintaining a safe environment for its community > of > buyers and sellers. To protect the security of your account, PayPal > employs > some of the most advanced security systems in the world and our anti-fraud > teams regularly screen the PayPal system for unusual activity. > > Recently, our Account Review Team identified some unusual activity in your > account. In accordance with PayPal's User Agreement and to ensure that > your > account has not been compromised, access to your account was limited. Your > account access will remain limited until this issue has been resolved. > This > is a fraud prevention measure meant to ensure that your account is not > compromised. > > In order to secure your account and quickly restore full access, we may > require some specific information from you for the following reason: > > We would like to ensure that your account was not accessed by an > unauthorized third party. Because protecting the security of your account > is our primary concern, we have limited access to sensitive PayPal account > features. We understand that this may be an inconvenience but please > understand that this temporary limitation is for your protection. > > Case ID Number: > > We encourage you to log in and restore full access as soon as possible. > Should access to your account remain limited for an extended period of > time, it may result in further limitations on the use of your account. > > However, failure to restore your records will result in account > suspension. > Please update your records on or before February 30, 2005. > > Once you have updated your account records, your PayPal session will not > be > interrupted and will continue as normal. > > To update your Paypal records click on the following link: > https://www.paypal.com > > > > Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter. Please understand that > this is a security measure meant to help protect you and your account. We > apologize for any inconvenience. > > > Sincerely, > PayPal? Account Review Department > > > > PayPal Email ID > > > Accounts Management As outlined in our User Agreement, PayPal will > periodically send you information about site changes and enhancements. > > Visit our Privacy Policy and User Agreement if you have any questions. > http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/policy_privacy-outside > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wrl at gwltd.com Mon Feb 7 05:00:48 2005 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:00:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <200502070642.j176gXvp097961@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <00e801c50d15$0fc8f670$0500005a@laptop> You are right Rob, but you did not consider that the pulley on a JD B, is much smaller than the puller on the grinder, so the belt is the proper size. J. Dave Mayfield www.w9wrl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 12:42 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Belt Dressing > > > Where can I buy old fashion belt dressing? > > > > This weekend as the weather was so nice 56 and sunny here. > > Western Illinois. I thought I had better make good use of it. > > So Friday morning after I fed my Chickens and the dog, and > > while the ground was frozen somewhat. I moved all my > > equipment in place, so on Saturday I could grind some chicken > > feed. I use my John Deere 48 b and an old Letz 220 grinder, > > anyone ever was one of these. Works real well, only trouble I > > have is that I don't have any good belt dressing. I was using > > a spray can of dressing, but it's not for big belts. If I put > > to much corn in the hopper I would loose traction and things > > would GRIND to a halt. My daughter took some pictures, and I > > uploaded them to my server if you would like to have a look. > > So any one know where I can order the good stuff? > > Hi Dave, > Thanks for sharing the pictures! > > My source of stick dressing dried up, so I can't help you with that. But > looking at the last picture, I notice that the pulley is twice as wide as the > belt. The amount of work a flat belt can transmit is directly proportional to > it's width. Get a belt of the proper width, and your slippage problems will be > alleviated. > > Rob > > > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Feb 7 07:09:47 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:09:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <00e801c50d15$0fc8f670$0500005a@laptop> References: <200502070642.j176gXvp097961@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <00e801c50d15$0fc8f670$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <420784BB.3060609@imc-group.com> J. Dave, Somewhere on Rob's rustyiron website is a great article on the HP that can be transmitted with any given combination of belt width, driven pulley diameter, driver pulley diameter, and speed. I believe it would be a safe statement that reliance on belt dressing is necessary only when exceeding the permissible HP the calculations/charts show. That statement will likely stir up some debate, but I've found that by following these belt HP transmission guidelines, I've never had to use belt dressing. Perhaps Rob can post the link. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Dave Mayfield wrote: >You are right Rob, but you did not consider that the pulley on a JD B, is >much smaller than the puller on the grinder, so the belt is the proper size. > >J. Dave Mayfield >www.w9wrl.com > > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Feb 7 07:52:22 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:52:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <420784BB.3060609@imc-group.com> References: <200502070642.j176gXvp097961@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <00e801c50d15$0fc8f670$0500005a@laptop> <420784BB.3060609@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <21452.165.206.180.118.1107791542.squirrel@165.206.180.118> blood may make a great belt dressing - makes the belt and pulley really sticky as it starts to dry. I know it makes phones really sticky, especially the 9 and 1 keys and handset. Bill > J. Dave, > Somewhere on Rob's rustyiron website is a great article on the HP that > can be transmitted with any given combination of belt width, driven > pulley diameter, driver pulley diameter, and speed. I believe it would > be a safe statement that reliance on belt dressing is necessary only > when exceeding the permissible HP the calculations/charts show. That > statement will likely stir up some debate, but I've found that by > following these belt HP transmission guidelines, I've never had to use > belt dressing. > Perhaps Rob can post the link. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Dave Mayfield wrote: > >>You are right Rob, but you did not consider that the pulley on a JD B, is >>much smaller than the puller on the grinder, so the belt is the proper >> size. >> >>J. Dave Mayfield >>www.w9wrl.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Feb 7 08:30:04 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:30:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <00e801c50d15$0fc8f670$0500005a@laptop> References: <200502070642.j176gXvp097961@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <00e801c50d15$0fc8f670$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050207112911.02547008@mail.alltel.net> At 08:00 AM 2/7/2005, you wrote: >You are right Rob, but you did not consider that the pulley on a JD B, is >much smaller than the puller on the grinder, so the belt is the proper size. > >J. Dave Mayfield Hi J. Dave, Perhaps you should look for a belt that is bigger on just one end! Dave From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Mon Feb 7 09:28:21 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:28:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <200502070642.j176gXvp097961@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><00e801c50d15$0fc8f670$0500005a@laptop> <420784BB.3060609@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <009501c50d3a$ccb7f7c0$a0631f40@ibm22761389857> Automatic transmission fluid will work in a pinch for belt dressing. I know it sounds crazy but I tried it anyway and was surprised. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 10:09 Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing > J. Dave, > Somewhere on Rob's rustyiron website is a great article on the HP that > can be transmitted with any given combination of belt width, driven > pulley diameter, driver pulley diameter, and speed. I believe it would > be a safe statement that reliance on belt dressing is necessary only > when exceeding the permissible HP the calculations/charts show. That > statement will likely stir up some debate, but I've found that by > following these belt HP transmission guidelines, I've never had to use > belt dressing. > Perhaps Rob can post the link. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Dave Mayfield wrote: > > >You are right Rob, but you did not consider that the pulley on a JD B, is > >much smaller than the puller on the grinder, so the belt is the proper size. > > > >J. Dave Mayfield > >www.w9wrl.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Feb 7 10:07:54 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:07:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <420784BB.3060609@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200502071807.j17I7v5k094443@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > when exceeding the permissible HP the calculations/charts show. That > statement will likely stir up some debate, but I've found that by > following these belt HP transmission guidelines, I've never > had to use belt dressing. Here's the belt info: http://engines.rustyiron.com/rig/belting.html Another possibility is to slow down the B as far as you can. Horsepower is directly related to speed. Slow the grinder down and it's horsepower requirements will go down accordingly. That is assuming a feed rate proportional to SPEED. If the feed rate is related to TIME, then you'll be requiring a greater load, and there will be too many variables to predict what will happen. But as long as we're talking about feed rate, why not just feed the grain in at a slower rate so there is less load on the belt and it will not be as prone to slippage? =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Feb 7 12:37:46 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:37:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <200502071807.j17I7v5k094443@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000501c50d54$e23ba1e0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> I did alot of grinding at shows with my McCormick-Deering type D feed grinder. I run it with a six horse M, but my experience is the rpm's of the grinder are very important for a good grinding process. At this Url you can see the different pulley dia's and rpm's. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/grinderpulleysdiameters.htm John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Here's the belt info: > http://engines.rustyiron.com/rig/belting.html > > Another possibility is to slow down the B as far as you can. Horsepower is > directly related to speed. Slow the grinder down and it's horsepower > requirements will go down accordingly. > > That is assuming a feed rate proportional to SPEED. If the feed rate is related > to TIME, then you'll be requiring a greater load, and there will be too many > variables to predict what will happen. > > But as long as we're talking about feed rate, why not just feed the grain in at > a slower rate so there is less load on the belt and it will not be as prone to > slippage? > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brianne at ultratune.com.au Mon Feb 7 14:03:51 2005 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:03:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Phishing Message-ID: <005a01c50d60$e96e0410$43c5dccb@pcuser> Hi Guys Any email asking you to log in with id and password is supect if you did not request it. I have installed "Spoofstick" and I instantly can double check that the address in the address bar is genuine or not. There are other ways to check this, but this utility is ace. Please see below. >Hey list members who use Paypal.Check out the date on this one!!! >What idiots!!!Even leap year only has 29 days!!!Just had to share!!! >Peg Pfeiffer Here is some useful info related to PHISHING. You need to be aware that this exists. Click on this link to find out more phishing . Info from Cloudeight Here's a free tool that we can recommend to you to help you avoid being sucked in by a phishing scam (although it should be the last line of defense because you should be relying on GOCS to protect you - see today's RANT ). It's called Spoof Stick and it's highly recommended by us and many others. It is a BHO (oh no! but it's a good and benign BHO - Browser Helper Object) that installs into Internet Explorer and verifies that the site you think you're on is really the site you're on - before you go typing in any personal data. You can read more about and/or download (it's free) Spoof Stick by clicking here. Brian Taylor Hervey Bay Historical Museum 13 Zephyr St..Scarness Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Feb 7 14:30:12 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:30:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing OT References: <200502070642.j176gXvp097961@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><00e801c50d15$0fc8f670$0500005a@laptop> <6.1.2.0.0.20050207112911.02547008@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002601c50d64$971bcf40$d63354d2@cam> Hi Dave, Who makes them. Cam Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 3:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing > At 08:00 AM 2/7/2005, you wrote: > >You are right Rob, but you did not consider that the pulley on a JD B, is > >much smaller than the puller on the grinder, so the belt is the proper size. > > > >J. Dave Mayfield > > Hi J. Dave, Perhaps you should look for a belt that is bigger on just one end! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Feb 7 15:44:41 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:44:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing OT References: <200502070642.j176gXvp097961@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><00e801c50d15$0fc8f670$0500005a@laptop><6.1.2.0.0.20050207112911.02547008@mail.alltel.net> <002601c50d64$971bcf40$d63354d2@cam> Message-ID: <002f01c50d6e$ff7134e0$ee85dccb@oemcomputer> I can make you one but you have to state wether you want it wider at one end or thicker.The later is OK but the belt tends to bump a little.With both styles a good solid belt guard is recommended or have an ambulance on standbye. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:30 Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing OT > Hi Dave, Who makes them. Cam > Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford NSW > Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 3:30 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing > > > > At 08:00 AM 2/7/2005, you wrote: > > >You are right Rob, but you did not consider that the pulley on a JD B, is > > >much smaller than the puller on the grinder, so the belt is the proper > size. > > > > > >J. Dave Mayfield > > > > Hi J. Dave, Perhaps you should look for a belt that is bigger on just one > end! > > Dave > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Feb 7 16:16:21 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:16:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing OT References: <200502070642.j176gXvp097961@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><00e801c50d15$0fc8f670$0500005a@laptop><6.1.2.0.0.20050207112911.02547008@mail.alltel.net><002601c50d64$971bcf40$d63354d2@cam> <002f01c50d6e$ff7134e0$ee85dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <005401c50d73$6bafa340$d63354d2@cam> I should have known better than to go passed you Edd. (the engine whisperer). How's the health Mate. Catchya Cam Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing OT > I can make you one but you have to state wether you want it wider at one end > or thicker.The later is OK but the belt tends to bump a little.With both > styles a good solid belt guard is recommended or have an ambulance on > standbye. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cameron Grundy" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:30 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing OT > > > > Hi Dave, Who makes them. Cam > > Cam and Edwina Grundy > > Kariong > > Gosford NSW > > Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dave Rotigel" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 3:30 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing > > > > > > > At 08:00 AM 2/7/2005, you wrote: > > > >You are right Rob, but you did not consider that the pulley on a JD B, > is > > > >much smaller than the puller on the grinder, so the belt is the proper > > size. > > > > > > > >J. Dave Mayfield > > > > > > Hi J. Dave, Perhaps you should look for a belt that is bigger on just > one > > end! > > > Dave > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 7 16:18:59 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:18:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <006501c50c96$09a4cc30$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <20050208001859.45142.qmail@web61301.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Dave, Ya just missed a stick on the Charity Auction. Maybe it is the last know stick anywhere,,,, Shoulda bid,,,, I did,,,, 8>)) Alan Bowen --- Dave Mayfield wrote: > Where can I buy old fashion belt dressing? > > This weekend as the weather was so nice 56 and sunny here. Western Illinois. I thought I had > better make good use of it. So Friday morning after I fed my Chickens and the dog, and while the > ground was frozen somewhat. I moved all my equipment in place, so on Saturday I could grind some > chicken feed. I use my John Deere 48 b and an old Letz 220 grinder, anyone ever was one of > these. Works real well, only trouble I have is that I don't have any good belt dressing. I was > using a spray can of dressing, but it's not for big belts. If I put to much corn in the hopper I > would loose traction and things would GRIND to a halt. My daughter took some pictures, and I > uploaded them to my server if you would like to have a look. So any one know where I can order > the good stuff? > > > www.w9wrl.com/ebay/1.jpg > www.w9wrl.com/ebay/2.jpg > www.w9wrl.com/ebay/3.jpg > www.w9wrl.com/ebay/4.jpg > J. Dave Mayfield > www.w9wrl.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 7 17:55:20 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:55:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] identity theft attempt from fake PayPal Message-ID: <20050208015520.14659.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Peg Pfeiffer, Don't respond to that email, it is an attempt to steal your identity! Look up the real email address for PayPal on eBay, Alta Vista, Dogpile, Yahoo, etc., and forward it to the real PayPal fraud address so they can catch these thieving bastards! ===== Rich ~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\: From gkhass at avci.net Mon Feb 7 21:27:42 2005 From: gkhass at avci.net (Greg Hass) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 00:27:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <006501c50c96$09a4cc30$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20050208001238.00b3b898@avsin.avci.net> Sure enjoyed looking at the pictures. Brought back a lot of memories. We used to own a grinder like the one shown, however ours was PTO-driven and it went from the PTO shaft to the grinder with 5 V-belts. Before that we had belt-driven grinder that we ran for several years with a Farmall Super C. We would grind 100 bags a week with that grinder. Without being critical, I noticed in the pictures that the belt seemed awfully loose. When we had our grinder we had the wooden platform staked to the ground with 4 two-feet long stakes. Besides that we had a 10-foot plank which we would anchor against the frame of the grinder near the drive pulley. The end of the plank lying on the ground would be held by a 3-foot stake driven in the ground. We would then tighten the tractor into the belt until it was drum tight. Before this we would hire my uncles to fill our silo and the blower was driven with a belt. The same thing here - the blower was staked to the ground and the brace plank staked. However, their drive-belt was 100 feet long and just backing the tractor up enough to lift that long belt off the ground was more than enough tension on the pulleys to keep it from slipping. Quite a few years ago we had a sawmill in that the guy ran with a John Deere R. He had a belt about the same length as your grinder and ran the belt fairly loose so that he could take it off fairly easily at night without moving the tractor. However, the thing that made it work was that 3-ft. from the sawmill pulley and on top of the belt he had a 50 lb. idler pulley that would weight the belt down and act as an automatic tightener. I am just suggesting that one possible cause may be that the belt is too loose, althought belt dressing may also be factor. I'm not going that far back in history because we always seemed to be behind the times. While other people were using modern grinder/mixers and high capacity PTO-driven blowers, we were still in the belt era. Greg Hass From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Feb 7 21:34:38 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 23:34:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Latest on Charlie Bryant In-Reply-To: <015901c50cb5$1dd465c0$230110ac@PAUL> References: <015901c50cb5$1dd465c0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <42084F6E.1080602@fidnet.com> Paul, Any news about Charlie yet? Did he have surgery today? Gary Paul Maples wrote: > Below is the latest update on our good friend Charlie. Tomorrow is his > big day and he is counting on all of his friends prayers and best wishes > to pull him through this. Please remember him tonight when you go to the > Lord in prayer. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 11:13 AM > Subject: Latest on Charlie > > >> Greetings from Maine again! >> Yesterday, Charlie was entertained with more tests! If all bring good >> reports and if schedule doesn't get changed, the Assistant surgeon told >> him he would have the surgery Monday. They anticipate removing the old >> leads--not successful when laser was tried, remove the present pacemaker >> and do replacement of the aortic valve. Guess he has a busy surgeon as >> was told he did 5 a week!! He seems to be in better spirits. Has some >> appetite and no longer says he feels awful! Good news! >> >> Thanks for your prayers and don't give up. Will keep you posted of >> anything new. >> Charlie's sister, >> Lois >> PS Gene Lapointe would like to be put on the list >> e-mail--newbsthl at fidnet.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Feb 8 02:04:59 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 05:04:59 EST Subject: [SEL] Check out Rolls-Royce: Journey Through A Jet Engine Message-ID: <140.3da0a539.2f39e8cb@aol.com> Hi List, Here is an interesting web site which demonstrates the jet engine cycle. _Click here: Rolls-Royce: Journey Through A Jet Engine_ (http://www.rolls-royce.com/education/schools/journey/flash.html) http://www.rolls-royce.com/education/schools/journey/flash.html Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From bethell1 at iinet.net.au Tue Feb 8 02:13:15 2005 From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (jim bethell) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:13:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing OT References: <200502070642.j176gXvp097961@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><00e801c50d15$0fc8f670$0500005a@laptop><6.1.2.0.0.20050207112911.02547008@mail.alltel.net><002601c50d64$971bcf40$d63354d2@cam><002f01c50d6e$ff7134e0$ee85dccb@oemcomputer> 152960337 Message-ID: <004501c50dc6$ceec3740$8730d9cb@default> Cam and others, I can still get "neva slip" belt dressing through one of my work suppliers. We still use it on shearing plants that are belt drive from engine room to shearing board, believe me they are still out there!!!! Work cover has a long way way to go in Aus, regards Jim Jim Bethell Mildura "Gateway to the outback" bethell1 at iinet.net..au http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing OT > I should have known better than to go passed you Edd. (the engine > whisperer). How's the health Mate. Catchya Cam > Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford NSW > Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "edd payne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 10:44 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing OT > > > > I can make you one but you have to state wether you want it wider at one > end > > or thicker.The later is OK but the belt tends to bump a little.With both > > styles a good solid belt guard is recommended or have an ambulance on > > standbye. > > EDD PAYNE > > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > > 0263742387 > > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cameron Grundy" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:30 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing OT > > > > > > > Hi Dave, Who makes them. Cam > > > Cam and Edwina Grundy > > > Kariong > > > Gosford NSW > > > Australia > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dave Rotigel" > > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 3:30 AM > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing > > > > > > > > > > At 08:00 AM 2/7/2005, you wrote: > > > > >You are right Rob, but you did not consider that the pulley on a JD > B, > > is > > > > >much smaller than the puller on the grinder, so the belt is the > proper > > > size. > > > > > > > > > >J. Dave Mayfield > > > > > > > > Hi J. Dave, Perhaps you should look for a belt that is bigger on just > > one > > > end! > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SEL mailing list > > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 8 04:01:15 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:01:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Latest on Charlie Bryant References: <015901c50cb5$1dd465c0$230110ac@PAUL> <42084F6E.1080602@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <002d01c50dd5$e659b100$230110ac@PAUL> Good Morning Gary, The last news I got was late yesterday evening and he was still in surgery. I am checking my e-mail now to see if his sister has sent me anything. Just as soon as I hear I will let you know. Thanks for your concern. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Latest on Charlie Bryant > Paul, Any news about Charlie yet? Did he have surgery today? > > Gary > > Paul Maples wrote: >> Below is the latest update on our good friend Charlie. Tomorrow is his >> big day and he is counting on all of his friends prayers and best wishes >> to pull him through this. Please remember him tonight when you go to the >> Lord in prayer. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 11:13 AM >> Subject: Latest on Charlie >> >> >>> Greetings from Maine again! >>> Yesterday, Charlie was entertained with more tests! If all bring good >>> reports and if schedule doesn't get changed, the Assistant surgeon told >>> him he would have the surgery Monday. They anticipate removing the old >>> leads--not successful when laser was tried, remove the present pacemaker >>> and do replacement of the aortic valve. Guess he has a busy surgeon as >>> was told he did 5 a week!! He seems to be in better spirits. Has some >>> appetite and no longer says he feels awful! Good news! >>> >>> Thanks for your prayers and don't give up. Will keep you posted of >>> anything new. >>> Charlie's sister, >>> Lois >>> PS Gene Lapointe would like to be put on the list >>> e-mail--newbsthl at fidnet.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > -- > In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at > a leisurely pace. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 8 04:05:37 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:05:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant Update - So Far So Good Message-ID: <004301c50dd6$822c2220$230110ac@PAUL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:04 AM Subject: 10:20PM Report from Gail > Good Morning, > The report is Charles was not taken to surgery till 4PM and was taken to > ICU at 9:30PM. The surgeon called Gail. It was a risky surgery but all > was accomplished--when the old leads were removed there was a tear in > tricuspid valve so that had to be repaired, the pacemaker and leads of > present one was removed, the aortic valve was replaced by a biological > valve. He was kept in OR an extra hour to watch for any bleeding due to > the previous time in surgery. He was to be kept sedated throughout the > night and kept on ventilator. Will gradually let to awake. One of the > main concerns is to keep guard on infection so cultures will be taken at > frequent intervals. If all goes well, he will be there for a week and > then go to rehab. Please pray this will come to pass. > > Have not had any other word during the night. > > I have to leave in few minutes but will hopefully have another report by > later in the day. > > Thanks for your prayers and for cheering Charles and Evelyn on to happier > and healthier days!! > > Lois, C's sister > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Feb 8 04:31:12 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:31:12 +0800 Subject: [SEL] magneto repairs...Australia Message-ID: <000a01c50dda$16ef72b0$80cd3dca@ogborneuah38i3> Can someone give me an email address for the Maggy Man. Is it the same Alan Johnson. I just got home page up but it not giving an email address........thanks. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Feb 8 10:12:16 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:12:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Phishing In-Reply-To: <005a01c50d60$e96e0410$43c5dccb@pcuser> References: <005a01c50d60$e96e0410$43c5dccb@pcuser> Message-ID: <26687.165.206.180.118.1107886336.squirrel@165.206.180.118> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6919230/site/newsweek > Hi Guys > > Any email asking you to log in with id and password is supect if you did > not request it. > I have installed "Spoofstick" and I instantly can double check that the > address in the address bar is genuine or not. There are other ways to > check this, but this utility is ace. > > Please see below. > > >>Hey list members who use Paypal.Check out the date on this one!!! >>What idiots!!!Even leap year only has 29 days!!!Just had to share!!! >>Peg Pfeiffer > > > Here is some useful info related to PHISHING. You need to be aware that > this exists. > Click on this link to find out more phishing . > > Info from Cloudeight > Here's a free tool that we can recommend to you to help you avoid being > sucked in by a phishing scam (although it should be the last line of > defense because you should be relying on GOCS to protect you - see today's > RANT ). It's called Spoof Stick and it's highly recommended by us and many > others. It is a BHO (oh no! but it's a good and benign BHO - Browser > Helper Object) that installs into Internet Explorer and verifies that the > site you think you're on is really the site you're on - before you go > typing in any personal data. You can read more about and/or download (it's > free) Spoof Stick by clicking here. > > Brian Taylor > Hervey Bay Historical Museum > 13 Zephyr St..Scarness > Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Feb 8 13:54:39 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:54:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Phishing Message-ID: <20050208.165511.284.1.jlb94@juno.com> I've been getting a lot of these e-mails One from eBay looked very official. One from Pay-Pal also very official One from my bank Washington Mutual - This one had me going. Enough to call the bank. All three were fhishin (I guess) Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Tue Feb 8 14:42:36 2005 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:12:36 +1030 Subject: [SEL] magneto repairs...Australia References: <000a01c50dda$16ef72b0$80cd3dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <003601c50e2f$afc37040$cfc4fea9@adsl> You guessed right Peter alans email is newstead at rbm.com.au phone number is 87623247 Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:01 PM Subject: [SEL] magneto repairs...Australia > Can someone give me an email address for the Maggy Man. Is it the same Alan > Johnson. I just got home page up but it not giving an email > address........thanks. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Feb 8 15:19:01 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:19:01 +0800 Subject: [SEL] magneto repairs...Australia References: <000a01c50dda$16ef72b0$80cd3dca@ogborneuah38i3> <003601c50e2f$afc37040$cfc4fea9@adsl> Message-ID: <003501c50e34$9892e860$11b73dca@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Steven .....i have a little job for him ,a magneto for a Smiths Motor Wheel. Sorry i wont get to the National ,all the best and i hope it is a great success. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven N Kitto" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] magneto repairs...Australia > You guessed right Peter > alans email is newstead at rbm.com.au > > phone number is 87623247 > Steve and Denise Kitto > 4 Fifth Ave > Naracoorte > South Australia > Ph 08 87621147 > > As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. > Proverbs 27:19 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:01 PM > Subject: [SEL] magneto repairs...Australia > > >> Can someone give me an email address for the Maggy Man. Is it the same > Alan >> Johnson. I just got home page up but it not giving an email >> address........thanks. >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From old_iron at msn.com Tue Feb 8 19:01:24 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:01:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re paypal In-Reply-To: <4206F53C.000003.02932@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: I reported it to both Ebay and Paypal and they have responded with the usually thank you. Peg >From: "nick" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] Re paypal >Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 04:57:32 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) > > Maybe spoof email worth reporting as they want details of your account >nick > >Get All Your Mobile Phone Accessories at >www.nicksphoneunlockingshop.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Feb 8 19:09:37 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:09:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] identity theft attempt from fake PayPal In-Reply-To: <20050208015520.14659.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050208015520.14659.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2abf46d6b2ea255ed8000e9945c133ae@chartertn.net> > Look up the real email address for PayPal on eBay, Alta Vista, Dogpile, > Yahoo, etc., and forward it to the real PayPal fraud address so they > can catch these thieving bastards! The proper address, which I forward those things to several times a week, is: spoof at paypal.com When you think an E-mail may be spam or phishbait, disconnect from the Internet before you open and read it. (If you must read it.) They always contain HTML code that reports back to their server that the message has been opened, making you a "live one" and much more valuable to the sellers of address lists. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 8 19:48:53 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:48:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant - More Good News Message-ID: <002f01c50e5a$48997830$230110ac@PAUL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:18 PM Subject: AM report on C-- > Hello again, > Have been waiting to see if there might be news come in tonight but none > thus far. > > It was a good report this AM--was off the ventilator, breathing ok on his > own, pulse in normal rhythm. The ICU nurse let his daughter speak so he > could hear her voice and he said , "Hi" --that was good news! > > Keep the prayers going and thanks! > Lois > From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Mon Feb 7 04:39:15 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 20:39:15 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <006501c50c96$09a4cc30$0500005a@laptop> References: <006501c50c96$09a4cc30$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <42076173.8010307@optusnet.com.au> Dave Mayfield wrote: >Where can I buy old fashion belt dressing? > >This weekend as the weather was so nice 56 and sunny here. Western Illinois. I thought I had better make good use of it. So Friday morning after I fed my Chickens and the dog, and while the ground was frozen somewhat. I moved all my equipment in place, so on Saturday I could grind some chicken feed. I use my John Deere 48 b and an old Letz 220 grinder, anyone ever was one of these. Works real well, only trouble I have is that I don't have any good belt dressing. I was using a spray can of dressing, but it's not for big belts. If I put to much corn in the hopper I would loose traction and things would GRIND to a halt. My daughter took some pictures, and I uploaded them to my server if you would like to have a look. So any one know where I can order the good stuff? > > I can not recommend this, but on the farm in the dear old bye and bye, my mate used to set alight to a strip of old car inner tube twisted around the end of a longish piece of #8 fencing wire and let the molten rubber drip onto the belt face as it ran, driving a saw bench from the old Fordson Major. Made a lovely Ssshhhriiiking noise and it sure made the belt grip, but he stood well back from the action (I did say a l o n g piece of wire . . We made our own fun, in those days! Never would have dreamt of buying anything that could be done for nothing! (Couldn't afford to, anyhow). Don't try this at home, kiddies. JW? From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Feb 9 04:29:03 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:29:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Decals Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050209072311.0252d4b8@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, I still have a limited number of the SEL decals left. (See: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564) I'm selling them for $5.00 each, or two for $9.00 and I'll pay the postage! ALL money collected will go to the ATIS Charity Auction. Send your money and your snail to me at: Dave Rotigel 208 Kennan Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 Dave PS, Only a limited number are left and when they are gone "That's it folks!" From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 9 04:47:54 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:47:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Latest News on Charlie Message-ID: <003c01c50ea5$952c0550$230110ac@PAUL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:36 AM Subject: Latest ---- > Here is what came in from Gail late last eve--the daughter, who lives in > NY--this was encouraging! > > " I spoke with dad earlier today, around noon, and he seemed groggy but > coherent. He said he felt better than he did from the surgery last week. > I > just phoned again and he is sleeping. He is off pain medication but is > on > medication for his blood pressure. If they get him off that medication > they > will move him to another floor tomorrow. > > That's it for now. > > Gail " > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Feb 9 05:19:22 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:19:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] SEL Decals References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050209072311.0252d4b8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: I'll take two Dave. Rick Strobel 6170 Gin Dale Rd East Helena, Mt. 59635 From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 9 04:58:06 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:58:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] identity theft attempt from fake PayPal In-Reply-To: <2abf46d6b2ea255ed8000e9945c133ae@chartertn.net> References: <20050208015520.14659.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> <2abf46d6b2ea255ed8000e9945c133ae@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <30104.165.206.180.118.1107953886.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Outlook 2003 helps prevent that code from functioning - it won't download and display embedded graphics in an HTML message. They track message reading in almost all cases with the use of a graphic - often a 1 x 1 clear gif file. It won't show in the message, however your computer must contact their server to "download and display" this tiny clear image that you won't see. Bingo - they know all they need to know about you. How do I know? Well, it's part of my job now, plus, I used to be able to do it myself! I could track who read the email we sent for Barbara's store before we sold it. Next, if you MUST read a message, here's another trick. Don't open the message but save it to your computer as a txt or html file, then open it with NOTEPAD (choose "open with", or "send to", do not simply choose OPEN!! It may open it in IE if it's an HTML file!). You can read the text, in fact see all the hidden code, and not worry about it reporting back to mama. Bill >> Look up the real email address for PayPal on eBay, Alta Vista, Dogpile, >> Yahoo, etc., and forward it to the real PayPal fraud address so they >> can catch these thieving bastards! > > The proper address, which I forward those things to several times a > week, is: > spoof at paypal.com > > When you think an E-mail may be spam or phishbait, disconnect from the > Internet before you open and read it. (If you must read it.) They > always contain HTML code that reports back to their server that the > message has been opened, making you a "live one" and much more valuable > to the sellers of address lists. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From prepair at easynet.co.uk Wed Feb 9 06:47:40 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:47:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] identity theft attempt from fake PayPal In-Reply-To: <30104.165.206.180.118.1107953886.squirrel@165.206.180.118> References: <20050208015520.14659.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> <2abf46d6b2ea255ed8000e9945c133ae@chartertn.net> <30104.165.206.180.118.1107953886.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:58:06 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >Next, if you MUST read a message, here's another trick. >Don't open the message but save it to your computer as a txt or html file, >then open it with NOTEPAD (choose "open with", or "send to", do not simply >choose OPEN!! It may open it in IE if it's an HTML file!). >You can read the text, in fact see all the hidden code, and not worry >about it reporting back to mama. > >Bill Better still, use a plain text email/news programme like Agent, that way nothing gets activated, regardless of what it is. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 9 07:15:50 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:15:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] identity theft attempt from fake PayPal In-Reply-To: References: <20050208015520.14659.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> <2abf46d6b2ea255ed8000e9945c133ae@chartertn.net> <30104.165.206.180.118.1107953886.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Message-ID: <30921.165.206.180.118.1107962150.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Yup - that works, too! And is probably just plain more secure overall.. Bill > On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:58:06 -0800 (PST), you wrote: > > >>Next, if you MUST read a message, here's another trick. >>Don't open the message but save it to your computer as a txt or html >> file, >>then open it with NOTEPAD (choose "open with", or "send to", do not >> simply >>choose OPEN!! It may open it in IE if it's an HTML file!). >>You can read the text, in fact see all the hidden code, and not worry >>about it reporting back to mama. >> >>Bill > > Better still, use a plain text email/news programme like Agent, that > way nothing gets activated, regardless of what it is. > > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK > prepair at easynet.co.uk > http://www.prepair.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Wed Feb 9 14:03:44 2005 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:03:44 -0000 Subject: [SEL] re winter eng fun Message-ID: <004501c50ef3$3adf9460$769ae150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Curt, Thanks for the pictures. You shouldn't listen to what Arnie says as you know the saying "nothing runs like a deere", I wonder if he may be just a touch jealous ?? It was good to see Joe in the picture , I hope he is enjoying better health again. Also you didn't say if there was anti freeze in the coffee? See you later , Craig From old_iron at msn.com Wed Feb 9 19:10:05 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:10:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: <002601c50d64$971bcf40$d63354d2@cam> Message-ID: A friend of mine of more than 20 years just sent me this and I thought I would share. We are both named Peg and she calls me Mom. Peg Pfeiffer Nice to know! Subject: Phone Numbers - give Maps to your home Google has implemented a feature wherein you can type someone's telephone number into the search bar and hit enter and then you will be given a map to their house. Everyone should be aware of this! Note that you can have your phone number removed or blocked. Before forwarding this, I tested it by typing my telephone number in google.com. My phone number came up, and when I clicked on the Yahoo link, it actually mapped out where I live. Quite scary. Please look up your own number. Read below for details. Think about it--if a child, ANYONE gives out his/her phone number, someone can actually now look it up to find out where he/she lives. The safety issues are obvious, and alarming. In order to test whether your phone number is mapped, Go to: http://www.google.com Type your phone number in the search bar (i.e. 555-555-1212) and hit enter. If you want to BLOCK Google from divulging your private information, simply click on the telephone icon next to your phone number. Removal takes 48-hours. If you are unlisted in the phone book, you might not be in there, but it is a good idea just to check. If your number does come up if you hit map, it will show you a direct map to your house... >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From old_iron at msn.com Wed Feb 9 19:11:55 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:11:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] SEL Decals In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050209072311.0252d4b8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Dave I need a new one Bill bought a new car, so if you have 2 left let me know so I can get you a check. Peg Pfeiffer >From: Dave Rotigel >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] SEL Decals >Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:29:03 -0500 > >Hi All, > I still have a limited number of the SEL decals left. (See: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564) >I'm selling them for $5.00 each, or two for $9.00 and I'll pay the postage! >ALL money collected will go to the ATIS Charity Auction. Send your money >and your snail to me at: > Dave Rotigel > 208 Kennan Drive > Greensburg, PA > 15601 > Dave >PS, Only a limited number are left and when they are gone "That's it >folks!" > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Wed Feb 9 20:07:18 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:07:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about References: Message-ID: <002901c50f26$27523500$2b1117d1@net.telenet.net> I hate to say it but that has been available for a LONG time. If you really want an eye opener keep in mind that with nothing but your name and a general location you can find most folks. And for 10 bucks more you can get even more info. Take a look at http://www.anywho.com/ To stay off these listings (TRY to find me, you won't even if you had my phone number) 1. Pay the money for an unlisted number OR list it under something ike - Pfeiffer B. NO ADDRESS INFO. 2. Don't post your full name online unless you have a very common name. Mine is VERY common. 3. When you need to use a phone number online (say for some outfits that want your phone number and e-mail. Use 888-888-8888 (in the US) and set up at least one dump box on Yahoo or Hotmail. Most of it is common sense stuff. 99 percent of the sites use normal public information to build the databases. Starting with phone numbers (notice anywho is AT&T) The mapping is done mainly with online services which are not very good without a real good address. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:10 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about > A friend of mine of more than 20 years just sent me this and I thought I > would share. We are both named Peg and she calls me Mom. > > > Peg Pfeiffer > > Nice to know! > Subject: Phone Numbers - give Maps to your home > > Google has implemented a feature wherein you can type someone's > telephone number into the search bar and hit enter and then you will be > given a map to their house. Everyone should be aware of this! > > Note that you can have your phone number removed or blocked. Before > forwarding this, I tested it by typing my telephone number in > google.com. My phone number came up, and when I clicked on the Yahoo > link, it actually mapped out where I live. Quite scary. Please look up > your own number. Read below for details. > > Think about it--if a child, ANYONE gives out his/her phone number, > someone can actually now look it up to find out where he/she lives. The > safety issues are obvious, and alarming. In order to test whether your > phone number is > mapped, Go to: http://www.google.com Type your phone number in the > search bar (i.e. 555-555-1212) and hit enter. If you want to BLOCK > Google from > divulging your private information, simply click on the telephone icon > next to your phone number. Removal takes 48-hours. If you are unlisted > in the phone book, you might not be in there, but it is a good idea just > to check. If your number does come up if you hit map, it will show you a > direct map to your house... > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Feb 10 03:31:15 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:31:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] re winter eng fun Message-ID: <021020051131.8111.420B46030001304600001FAF21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Craig, Your right, there is no real "Green" in his engine shed. With all the snow weve had then thawing off my machine shed it all fell directly along side my sliding overhead doors and then melted and froze them shut again...what a bitch of mess and my flat bed trailer was stuck out in a snow bank so the mini van was only mode of transfer and limited to size anway. We had another 4 inches last night and got the old JD2150 out and made quick work of cleaning up the lane before Becky got home from work. Speaking of "Green", did you get a cart built for your prize JD yet?????? Curt > Hi Curt, > Thanks for the pictures. You shouldn't listen to what Arnie says as > you know the saying "nothing runs like a deere", I wonder if he may be just a > touch jealous ?? > It was good to see Joe in the picture , I hope he is enjoying better > health again. Also you didn't say if there was anti freeze in the coffee? > See you later , Craig > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Feb 10 04:41:31 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:41:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more 'privacy' issues to worry about In-Reply-To: <002901c50f26$27523500$2b1117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <002901c50f26$27523500$2b1117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <2846.165.206.180.118.1108039291.squirrel@165.206.180.118> My wife can find your address and BIRTHDATE with just a name and a county......in some cases if she wants to spend the time, with just a state. She's done it. Hate to say it but those listings like anywho are the EASY ones, there are other ways that use information you give the state or county when you pay taxes. See, a lot of this stuff is public record, and I'm not talking about AT&T. Fact is that if someone REALLY wants to find you, they can and will. Bill > I hate to say it but that has been available for a LONG time. If you > really want an eye opener keep in mind that with nothing but your name > and a general location you can find most folks. And for 10 bucks more > you can get even more info. > > Take a look at http://www.anywho.com/ > > To stay off these listings (TRY to find me, you won't even if you had my > phone number) > > 1. Pay the money for an unlisted number OR list it under something > ike - Pfeiffer B. NO ADDRESS INFO. > 2. Don't post your full name online unless you have a very common name. > Mine is VERY common. > 3. When you need to use a phone number online (say for some outfits that > want your phone number and e-mail. Use 888-888-8888 (in the US) and set > up at least one dump box on Yahoo or Hotmail. > > Most of it is common sense stuff. 99 percent of the sites use normal > public information to build the databases. Starting with phone numbers > (notice anywho is AT&T) > The mapping is done mainly with online services which are not very good > without a real good address. > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown, New York > > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, > he'd have become a vegan. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:10 PM > Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about > > >> A friend of mine of more than 20 years just sent me this and I thought > I >> would share. We are both named Peg and she calls me Mom. >> >> >> Peg Pfeiffer >> >> Nice to know! >> Subject: Phone Numbers - give Maps to your home >> >> Google has implemented a feature wherein you can type someone's >> telephone number into the search bar and hit enter and then you will > be >> given a map to their house. Everyone should be aware of this! >> >> Note that you can have your phone number removed or blocked. Before >> forwarding this, I tested it by typing my telephone number in >> google.com. My phone number came up, and when I clicked on the Yahoo >> link, it actually mapped out where I live. Quite scary. Please look up >> your own number. Read below for details. >> >> Think about it--if a child, ANYONE gives out his/her phone number, >> someone can actually now look it up to find out where he/she lives. > The >> safety issues are obvious, and alarming. In order to test whether your >> phone number is >> mapped, Go to: http://www.google.com Type your phone number in the >> search bar (i.e. 555-555-1212) and hit enter. If you want to BLOCK >> Google from >> divulging your private information, simply click on the telephone icon >> next to your phone number. Removal takes 48-hours. If you are unlisted >> in the phone book, you might not be in there, but it is a good idea > just >> to check. If your number does come up if you hit map, it will show you > a >> direct map to your house... >> >> >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >SEL mailing list >> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 10 04:42:32 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:42:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Decals In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050209072311.0252d4b8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050210074051.025c67e8@mail.alltel.net> Hi Peg, I still have some left. Be sure to include your snail so that I can get them right out to you! Dave At 10:11 PM 2/9/2005, you wrote: >Dave I need a new one Bill bought a new car, so if you have 2 left let me >know so I can get you a check. > >Peg Pfeiffer > >>From: Dave Rotigel >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: [SEL] SEL Decals >>Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:29:03 -0500 >> >>Hi All, >> I still have a limited number of the SEL decals left. (See: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564) >> I'm selling them for $5.00 each, or two for $9.00 and I'll pay the >> postage! ALL money collected will go to the ATIS Charity Auction. Send >> your money and your snail to me at: >> Dave Rotigel >> 208 Kennan Drive >> Greensburg, PA >> 15601 >> Dave >>PS, Only a limited number are left and when they are gone "That's it folks!" >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 10 05:01:39 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:01:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] re winter eng fun In-Reply-To: <021020051131.8111.420B46030001304600001FAF21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <021020051131.8111.420B46030001304600001FAF21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Hiya Curt & Craig, Green? Bleuch! You'll find "green" in my engine shed about the same time that you'd find a Maytag. See ya, Arnie On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Your right, there is no real "Green" in his engine shed. With all the snow > weve had then thawing off my machine shed it all fell directly along side my > sliding overhead doors and then melted and froze them shut again...what a > bitch of mess and my flat bed trailer was stuck out in a snow bank so the mini > van was only mode of transfer and limited to size anway. We had another 4 > inches last night and got the old JD2150 out and made quick work of cleaning > up the lane before Becky got home from work. > Speaking of "Green", did you get a cart built for your prize JD yet?????? > > Thanks for the pictures. You shouldn't listen to what Arnie says as > > you know the saying "nothing runs like a deere", I wonder if he may be just a > > touch jealous ?? > > See you later , Craig From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Feb 10 05:14:37 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:14:37 -0000 Subject: [SEL] vintage newsgroups Message-ID: <004f01c50f72$79cec6d0$8c9f0952@no1> I have just signed up to a newsgroup that allows 50Mb a day free downloads & covers all newsgroups. It costs a one off setup charge of $3.95 & free thereafter. see http://www.teranews.com/ I added this as I was losing a number of pictures due to the posting being too large for the news server. No problem with teranews. My next point is, are there any other engine newsgroups apart from UK.REC.ENGINES.STATIONARY? TIA Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From wrl at gwltd.com Thu Feb 10 05:14:36 2005 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:14:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about References: <002901c50f26$27523500$2b1117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <025701c50f72$7d40bc10$0500005a@laptop> I was going to get into this but I will. Several years ago, I was a tad concerned about this very subject, for many reason, some of which are I am into more than one hobby where lots of dollars are involved. One of these is Ham Radio, I know guys that have gotten on the radio and tell a friend that he is going on vacation, then he tells him the exact dates he will be gone. Guess what his home was broken into while he was gone. He did this twice and was broken into twice. Lots of people are listing on the ham bands. I bought a book called Invasion of Privacy. It gives you some very good ideas on how to keep your life private. Let me put it this way, anyone wants to find me or where I live will only find a building I own in other town a few miles away from the real bat cave. Dave Mayfield www.w9wrl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about > I hate to say it but that has been available for a LONG time. If you > really want an eye opener keep in mind that with nothing but your name > and a general location you can find most folks. And for 10 bucks more > you can get even more info. > > Take a look at http://www.anywho.com/ > > To stay off these listings (TRY to find me, you won't even if you had my > phone number) > > 1. Pay the money for an unlisted number OR list it under something > ike - Pfeiffer B. NO ADDRESS INFO. > 2. Don't post your full name online unless you have a very common name. > Mine is VERY common. > 3. When you need to use a phone number online (say for some outfits that > want your phone number and e-mail. Use 888-888-8888 (in the US) and set > up at least one dump box on Yahoo or Hotmail. > > Most of it is common sense stuff. 99 percent of the sites use normal > public information to build the databases. Starting with phone numbers > (notice anywho is AT&T) > The mapping is done mainly with online services which are not very good > without a real good address. > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown, New York > > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, > he'd have become a vegan. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:10 PM > Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about > > > > A friend of mine of more than 20 years just sent me this and I thought > I > > would share. We are both named Peg and she calls me Mom. > > > > > > Peg Pfeiffer > > > > Nice to know! > > Subject: Phone Numbers - give Maps to your home > > > > Google has implemented a feature wherein you can type someone's > > telephone number into the search bar and hit enter and then you will > be > > given a map to their house. Everyone should be aware of this! > > > > Note that you can have your phone number removed or blocked. Before > > forwarding this, I tested it by typing my telephone number in > > google.com. My phone number came up, and when I clicked on the Yahoo > > link, it actually mapped out where I live. Quite scary. Please look up > > your own number. Read below for details. > > > > Think about it--if a child, ANYONE gives out his/her phone number, > > someone can actually now look it up to find out where he/she lives. > The > > safety issues are obvious, and alarming. In order to test whether your > > phone number is > > mapped, Go to: http://www.google.com Type your phone number in the > > search bar (i.e. 555-555-1212) and hit enter. If you want to BLOCK > > Google from > > divulging your private information, simply click on the telephone icon > > next to your phone number. Removal takes 48-hours. If you are unlisted > > in the phone book, you might not be in there, but it is a good idea > just > > to check. If your number does come up if you hit map, it will show you > a > > direct map to your house... > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From klpbessemer at earthlink.net Thu Feb 10 06:11:42 2005 From: klpbessemer at earthlink.net (Kent) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:11:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] re winter eng fun In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200502101412.j1AECB4U060439@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Arnie, What colour is the upright Bessemer????? Kent Park -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:02 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] re winter eng fun Hiya Curt & Craig, Green? Bleuch! You'll find "green" in my engine shed about the same time that you'd find a Maytag. See ya, Arnie From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 10 06:25:40 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:25:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: <025701c50f72$7d40bc10$0500005a@laptop> References: <002901c50f26$27523500$2b1117d1@net.telenet.net> <025701c50f72$7d40bc10$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: OK "Dave", fess up. Is that your REAL name? See ya, Arnie On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Dave Mayfield wrote: > Let me put it this way, anyone wants to find me or where I live will only > find a building I own in other town a few miles away from the real bat cave. > > Dave Mayfield > www.w9wrl.com From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 10 06:44:24 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:44:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: References: <002901c50f26$27523500$2b1117d1@net.telenet.net> <025701c50f72$7d40bc10$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050210094307.024c11d0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Arnie, When I become REAL IMPORTANT I'm going to do the same thing that Dave does! Dave At 09:25 AM 2/10/2005, you wrote: >OK "Dave", fess up. Is that your REAL name? > >See ya, Arnie > >On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Dave Mayfield wrote: > > > Let me put it this way, anyone wants to find me or where I live will only > > find a building I own in other town a few miles away from the real bat > cave. > > > > Dave Mayfield > > www.w9wrl.com From George_Best at adp.com Thu Feb 10 07:15:22 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:15:22 -0800 Subject: [SEL] re winter eng fun Message-ID: > Green? Bleuch! You'll find "green" in my engine shed about > the same time that you'd find a Maytag. > > See ya, Arnie Arnie, What color is your Crossley? ;-) From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Feb 10 07:21:50 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:21:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about References: <002901c50f26$27523500$2b1117d1@net.telenet.net><025701c50f72$7d40bc10$0500005a@laptop> <6.1.2.0.0.20050210094307.024c11d0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000701c50f84$4151b260$113354d2@cam> What are you two having a domestic. Cheers Cam Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 1:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about > Hi Arnie, When I become REAL IMPORTANT I'm going to do the same thing that > Dave does! > Dave > > At 09:25 AM 2/10/2005, you wrote: > >OK "Dave", fess up. Is that your REAL name? > > > >See ya, Arnie > > > >On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Dave Mayfield wrote: > > > > > Let me put it this way, anyone wants to find me or where I live will only > > > find a building I own in other town a few miles away from the real bat > > cave. > > > > > > Dave Mayfield > > > www.w9wrl.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu Feb 10 07:38:06 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:38:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] re winter eng fun References: Message-ID: <420B7FDE.56ED6735@insulate.co.uk> Good point, George. And what colour, may I ask, is you Lister? And the Petter? Dolly George Best wrote: > > > Green? Bleuch! You'll find "green" in my engine shed about > > the same time that you'd find a Maytag. > > > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie, > > What color is your Crossley? ;-) > > _______________________________________________ > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 10 07:40:39 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:40:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] re winter eng fun In-Reply-To: <200502101412.j1AECB4U060439@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502101412.j1AECB4U060439@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Hi Kent, Perhaps I should have been more specific and said you won't find a John Deere engine in my shed. 8-)) Because, with the exception of the United, the Detroit, and the Robertsonville (red) and the C.H.&E. (yellow), all of the rest are various shades of green. 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - Has your "tank guy" had any trouble getting the "free-style" openings in the top of the fuel tank for your upright Bessemer? 8-)) PPS - Is your local foundry guy setup to do the fuel/water tank support casting for the Bessemer? I'm getting ready to put my other one on eBay or on Harry's classified ads and I'd like to be able to point a potential buyer toward a source for the tank support if they wanted to use one. On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Kent wrote: > What colour is the upright Bessemer????? > > -----Original Message----- > > Green? Bleuch! You'll find "green" in my engine shed about the same time > that you'd find a Maytag. From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 10 07:40:14 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:40:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: <000701c50f84$4151b260$113354d2@cam> References: <002901c50f26$27523500$2b1117d1@net.telenet.net> <025701c50f72$7d40bc10$0500005a@laptop> <6.1.2.0.0.20050210094307.024c11d0@mail.alltel.net> <000701c50f84$4151b260$113354d2@cam> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050210103823.024c3020@mail.alltel.net> At 10:21 AM 2/10/2005, you wrote: >What are you two having a domestic. > Cheers Cam Hi Cam, I have a Domestic. It's a 15 HP. Arnie does not own a Domestic, but he has a REAL nice Crosley sideshaft. Dave From George_Best at adp.com Thu Feb 10 08:32:49 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:32:49 -0800 Subject: [SEL] re winter eng fun Message-ID: Looks like Arnie must be a closet Maytag owner! He didn't say he didn't have any green engines, and we all know that Arnie has a trailer load of green engines. Guess it is safe to say that Arnie must have a bunch of Maytags as well ;-) George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Jim French > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:38 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] re winter eng fun > > Good point, George. And what colour, may I ask, is you > Lister? And the Petter? > > Dolly > > George Best wrote: > > > > > > Green? Bleuch! You'll find "green" in my engine shed about the > > > same time that you'd find a Maytag. > > > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > Arnie, > > > > What color is your Crossley? ;-) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 10 08:44:25 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:44:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050210103823.024c3020@mail.alltel.net> References: <002901c50f26$27523500$2b1117d1@net.telenet.net> <025701c50f72$7d40bc10$0500005a@laptop> <6.1.2.0.0.20050210094307.024c11d0@mail.alltel.net> <000701c50f84$4151b260$113354d2@cam> <6.1.2.0.0.20050210103823.024c3020@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Cam, As Dave sez I don't own a Domestic, but I think when I was a teenager I had a domestic. She lived at my neighbor's house and wore a cute little French maid outfit. Although, I confess, I never saw her doing any housecleaning. 8->> I hope that helps... See ya, Arnie On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 10:21 AM 2/10/2005, you wrote: > >What are you two having a domestic. > > Cheers Cam > > Hi Cam, > I have a Domestic. It's a 15 HP. Arnie does not own a Domestic, > but he has a REAL nice Crosley sideshaft. > Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 10 10:13:04 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:13:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] re winter eng fun In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi George, I confess. I own a Maytag. But it's not in the engine shed; it lives in the kitchen. Dolly would call it a gas cooker. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, George Best wrote: > Looks like Arnie must be a closet Maytag owner! > > He didn't say he didn't have any green engines, and we all know that > Arnie has a trailer load of green engines. Guess it is safe to say that > Arnie must have a bunch of Maytags as well ;-) From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Feb 10 11:12:18 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:12:18 EST Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about Message-ID: <8e.20b8f729.2f3d0c12@aol.com> In a message dated 2/10/2005 8:57:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, wrl at gwltd.com writes: << Let me put it this way, anyone wants to find me or where I live will only find a building I own in other town a few miles away from the real bat cave. >> I just checked mine and due to a rural mailing address mine show up at the town where the post office is located, 12 miles from my home. I did not think google was that smart. We just got rid of outhouses a few years ago! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Feb 10 11:26:19 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:26:19 -0800 Subject: [SEL] re winter eng fun In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200502101926.j1AJQMWN028971@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > I confess. I own a Maytag. But it's not in the engine shed; > it lives in the kitchen. Shocking. And the flat spot on the top of your head is from the frying pan that "Maytag" used to teach you some manners? From George_Best at adp.com Thu Feb 10 11:28:21 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:28:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Engine colors Message-ID: After Arnie confessed to actually having green engines, I was thinking a little about engine colors. In my collection I've got green engines, red engines, and blue engines. Nothing unusual there. What other colors were used by engine manufacturers? I know black was used, but what other color? So who's got another color to add to the list? Be sure to say which manufacturer used that color. From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Thu Feb 10 11:39:19 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:39:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Engine colors References: Message-ID: <001501c50fa8$36fb5310$3775833e@harryp1811> Rock Island was painted brown. I think not many other engines were painted that way. Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:28 PM Subject: [SEL] Engine colors > After Arnie confessed to actually having green engines, I was thinking a > little about engine colors. > > In my collection I've got green engines, red engines, and blue engines. > Nothing unusual there. > > What other colors were used by engine manufacturers? > > I know black was used, but what other color? > > So who's got another color to add to the list? Be sure to say which > manufacturer used that color. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Vivas1993 at aol.com Thu Feb 10 11:56:21 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:56:21 EST Subject: [SEL] Engine colors Message-ID: <6a.4ecd58de.2f3d1665@aol.com> Hi George, I've got a 25hp FM Y , it still has some of the original gray paint. Early R& V engines were painted a maroon color, as were B&E Bulldog engines, & Domestics. Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Feb 10 12:00:44 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:00:44 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine colors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi George, My LeRoi is a gray color. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/leroi/leroi.jpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ====================== >From: "George Best" > >So who's got another color to add to the list? Be sure to say which >manufacturer used that color. > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Feb 10 12:31:07 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:31:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine colors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <420BC48B.4060705@imc-group.com> Maroon Domestics and GS&M's. Grey Baker Monitors. Grey Stickneys. (Blue more prevalent) Curt George Best wrote: >After Arnie confessed to actually having green engines, I was thinking a >little about engine colors. > >In my collection I've got green engines, red engines, and blue engines. >Nothing unusual there. > >What other colors were used by engine manufacturers? > >I know black was used, but what other color? > >So who's got another color to add to the list? Be sure to say which >manufacturer used that color. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Thu Feb 10 12:36:33 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:36:33 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Engine colors References: <420BC48B.4060705@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004501c50fb0$358dbfb0$3775833e@harryp1811> So does anyone know why some Baker Monitors were painted gray and others were painted red? On our Monitor there was quite allot of original red paint left. Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine colors > Maroon Domestics and GS&M's. > Grey Baker Monitors. > Grey Stickneys. (Blue more prevalent) > Curt > > George Best wrote: > > >After Arnie confessed to actually having green engines, I was thinking a > >little about engine colors. > > > >In my collection I've got green engines, red engines, and blue engines. > >Nothing unusual there. > > > >What other colors were used by engine manufacturers? > > > >I know black was used, but what other color? > > > >So who's got another color to add to the list? Be sure to say which > >manufacturer used that color. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 10 12:51:27 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:51:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Yesterday's report on Charlie Message-ID: <007501c50fb2$4d31ecc0$230110ac@PAUL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" To: Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 10:18 AM Subject: Yesterday's report on Charlie > Good Morning Paul, > We are having a snow day! Have had very little this winter--Boston has > had plenty--but think they are not getting much. Last I heard we could > get 12 to 18 inches. > > Was reading Psalm 62 this morning-- encouraging verses 5, 7 and 8. > > Was hoping to have a new report this morning but nothing came > in.-Charlie's daughter sent this last eve,-- > > " I spoke with him this afternoon around 3. He is still on the same > floor and > they said if they could get his blood pressure regulated without > medication > he would be transferred. I'm just as happy that he is there because > there > is one nurse for two patients. > > He couldn't really speak. He said his throat hurt and he didn't feel > well. > When I call tonight to chat to the nurse I will ask if they are giving > him > anything for his throat to suck on. Any other advice or questions? > > I plan to go up on Saturday morning and spend the weekend with him. I > imagine by then he will be off that floor, and with stepped-down nursing > care might be able to use some visitor help." > Gail > > Will keep you posted. Thanks for your prayers. Trust you are over the flu > . > C's sister, Lois > > > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 10 13:18:45 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:18:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine colors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050210161716.021ca840@mail.alltel.net> Hi George, I once saw a MAYTAG that was PUCE in colo(u)r. I do not know if it was original, however. Dave >So who's got another color to add to the list? Be sure to say which >manufacturer used that color. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 10 13:48:52 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:48:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Engine colors In-Reply-To: <004501c50fb0$358dbfb0$3775833e@harryp1811> References: <420BC48B.4060705@imc-group.com> <004501c50fb0$358dbfb0$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: Hi Harry, I think the early ball hopper Baker Monitors were a reddish-maroon. The later ones with the acorn shaped hoppers were gray. See ya, Arnie On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Harry Terpstra wrote: > So does anyone know why some Baker Monitors were painted gray and others > were painted red? > On our Monitor there was quite allot of original red paint left. From glenn.karch at gte.net Thu Feb 10 13:37:53 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:37:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine colors References: Message-ID: <000d01c50fb8$c9be05c0$e329ea41@oemcomputer> George and others, ARCO engines were blue gray, Rawleighs were brown or tan and so were Rock Island, Kewanees were gray, Bohons were yellow?, Associateds had some silver on them, etc. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 1:28 PM Subject: [SEL] Engine colors > After Arnie confessed to actually having green engines, I was thinking a > little about engine colors. > > In my collection I've got green engines, red engines, and blue engines. > Nothing unusual there. > > What other colors were used by engine manufacturers? > > I know black was used, but what other color? > > So who's got another color to add to the list? Be sure to say which > manufacturer used that color. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Thu Feb 10 14:09:55 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:09:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Engine colors References: <420BC48B.4060705@imc-group.com> <004501c50fb0$358dbfb0$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <012801c50fbd$40ee6cd0$3775833e@harryp1811> Hi Arnie, Our Monitor is indeed an early model. Serial number is 1822 that probably makes it a late 1906 engine. It also has a diffrent shape tag not the oval shaped like most Monitors. It also looks like it is Chrome or nickle. Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine colors > Hi Harry, > > I think the early ball hopper Baker Monitors were a reddish-maroon. > The later ones with the acorn shaped hoppers were gray. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Harry Terpstra wrote: > > > So does anyone know why some Baker Monitors were painted gray and others > > were painted red? > > On our Monitor there was quite allot of original red paint left. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Thu Feb 10 14:26:23 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:26:23 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Engine colors Message-ID: I know that the shade of color used by some manufacturers would vary from time to time since some bought their paint from whoever gave them the best deal, or it could vary just because someone different was mixing the paint. However.... Were there any manufacturers that didn't have a specific color which identified their engines? As an example, I've heard that Samson engines made in California were painted various colors depending on what they had on hand. Anyone else heard this or have information on this? George From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Feb 10 14:37:06 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:37:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Scam email example Message-ID: <72on01t0arr5obvod6fbvpj9dsf8c9589a@4ax.com> I mentioned the other day about using a plain text newsreader to avoid possible hiccups with various things that come in via email. The following line is from a PayPal scam email, and the line is taken exactly as our mail programme shows it: http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_login-run [links to radescumarian.go.ro/] The blue text is the normal url for PayPal, and is what you see on-screen, except that they ALWAYS use a secure ( https ) login these days, so that's a good pointer to a possible scam. The url in square brackets is the interesting bit. It shows that when you click on the blue text on-screen, you actually go to the web address shown, which I think is Romania, and no doubt there will be something there that you can fill in with your PayPal details and password.... Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Feb 10 14:55:18 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:55:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine colors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:26:23 -0800, you wrote: >I know that the shade of color used by some manufacturers would vary >from time to time since some bought their paint from whoever gave them >the best deal, or it could vary just because someone different was >mixing the paint. > >However.... Were there any manufacturers that didn't have a specific >color which identified their engines? > >As an example, I've heard that Samson engines made in California were >painted various colors depending on what they had on hand. Anyone else >heard this or have information on this? > >George A lot of UK manufacturers would paint their engines to suit specific customer's requirements, so that Bamford would paint it's engines Grey that went to Millars Machinery, while other customers would get the standard Mid Brunswick Green. Villiers supplied their engines to OEM's in primer. Lister nearly always painted theirs in Mid Brunswick Green, except for some engines that went to Post Office Telephones (the predecessor to British Telecom) which would have been Black or Grey, engines for Admiralty use that would have been Light Admiralty Grey (BS381C Shade 697) Petters painted some of their engines Red instead of the slightly lighter Light Brunswick Green or Apple Green. Gardners and Ruston & Hornsby used a variety of colours over the years, the deep maroon of the early Hornsbys is particularly nice on a big engine, the later engines like my own are an Apple Green with White, Yellow and Green lining out. The very large Crossleys and Nationals were a dark green. The majority of UK manufacturers used standard industrial colours, most of which were detailed in BS381C and BS4800. The reason that Brunswick Green was so popular, is that it was available in 3 distinct shades 225, 226 and 227 and it was used for a lot of Military hardware as well, so it became a very well known and available series of colours. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From wrl at gwltd.com Thu Feb 10 15:36:44 2005 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:36:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about References: <002901c50f26$27523500$2b1117d1@net.telenet.net><025701c50f72$7d40bc10$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <000e01c50fc9$66836f20$0500005a@laptop> Interesting point! In this book I was telling you about it tells you how to create a new name and identity. Most people would think that this would not be legal. Truth is there is nothing wrong with creating a new name, so long as it is not used for illegal purposes. Enough said. J. Dave Mayfield www.w9wrl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about > OK "Dave", fess up. Is that your REAL name? > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Dave Mayfield wrote: > > > Let me put it this way, anyone wants to find me or where I live will only > > find a building I own in other town a few miles away from the real bat cave. > > > > Dave Mayfield > > www.w9wrl.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wrl at gwltd.com Thu Feb 10 15:44:38 2005 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:44:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about References: <002901c50f26$27523500$2b1117d1@net.telenet.net><025701c50f72$7d40bc10$0500005a@laptop> <6.1.2.0.0.20050210094307.024c11d0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001601c50fca$81b413c0$0500005a@laptop> In today's world, if your going to just had out all your personal information. Someone is going to send you junk mail, spam, steal your identity, run up credit card bills, call you and try to sell you stuff, steal your pay pal log in, and on on. If your worth more than ten bucks someone is going to try to screw you out of it sooner or later. If taking control of your personal privacy makes you IMPORTANT than so be it. I just think it makes you a tad smarter than the jerks trying to screw you. And if you just plowing along with you head in the dirt???? J. Dave Mayfield www.w9wrl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about > Hi Arnie, When I become REAL IMPORTANT I'm going to do the same thing that > Dave does! > Dave > > At 09:25 AM 2/10/2005, you wrote: > >OK "Dave", fess up. Is that your REAL name? > > > >See ya, Arnie > > > >On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Dave Mayfield wrote: > > > > > Let me put it this way, anyone wants to find me or where I live will only > > > find a building I own in other town a few miles away from the real bat > > cave. > > > > > > Dave Mayfield > > > www.w9wrl.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 10 17:01:59 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:01:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] The new GEM Message-ID: <20050211010200.85923.qmail@web61302.mail.yahoo.com> Howdy Folks, I got the new GEM yesterday. I was very sad to see no article from the SEL and then I read the note saying good-bye to Helen. Who is going to step up and take over the job? Thank you, Helen for all your service. Alan Bowen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From old_iron at msn.com Thu Feb 10 17:51:02 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:51:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! Message-ID: Hi All I was also sad to hear Helen was hanging up her virtual pen. I would like to run this by the SEL before I contact GEM. Do you think I could be a poor imitation of Helen?? or should I just forget it and wait for someone else to step up to the plate??? Thanks for any input, I already have a flame retardant suit. Peg Pfeiffer >From: Alan Bowen >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] The new GEM >Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:01:59 -0800 (PST) > >Howdy Folks, >I got the new GEM yesterday. >I was very sad to see no article from the SEL and then I read the note >saying good-bye to Helen. > >Who is going to step up and take over the job? > >Thank you, Helen for all your service. > >Alan Bowen > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 10 18:20:52 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:20:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050210211215.02597f98@mail.alltel.net> Hi Peg, >Hi All I was also sad to hear Helen was hanging up her virtual pen. I think we were all sad to hear that she was throwing in her pen. But after doing the column every month since 1999 who can blame her for wanting some time to herself! THANKS for what you have done for all of us Dolly! >I would like to run this by the SEL before I contact GEM. >Do you think I could be a poor imitation of Helen?? or should I just >forget it and wait for someone else to step up to the plate??? >Thanks for any input, I already have a flame retardant suit. I think you would make a damn poor imitation of Dolly--but a GREAT replacement in your own right! I think the column should continue and I'm sure that you could represent us all very well! GO for it Peg! >Peg Pfeiffer Dave From asouth at strato.net Thu Feb 10 18:31:57 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:31:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! References: Message-ID: <000901c50fe1$dc1d8eb0$9300a8c0@Arthur> Go for it Peg. Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" To: Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:51 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > Hi All I was also sad to hear Helen was hanging up her virtual pen. > > I would like to run this by the SEL before I contact GEM. > > Do you think I could be a poor imitation of Helen?? or should I just > forget it and wait for someone else to step up to the plate??? > Thanks for any input, I already have a flame retardant suit. > > Peg Pfeiffer > >>From: Alan Bowen >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: [SEL] The new GEM >>Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:01:59 -0800 (PST) >> >>Howdy Folks, >>I got the new GEM yesterday. >>I was very sad to see no article from the SEL and then I read the note >>saying good-bye to Helen. >> >>Who is going to step up and take over the job? >> >>Thank you, Helen for all your service. >> >>Alan Bowen >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>http://mail.yahoo.com >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Feb 10 18:37:55 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:37:55 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: <001601c50fca$81b413c0$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <200502110237.j1B2bxml066513@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > In today's world, if your going to just had out all your personal > information. Someone is going to send you junk mail, spam, steal your > identity, run up credit card bills, call you and try to sell > you stuff, steal your pay pal log in, and on on. Hi Dave, Finding your business took about 60 seconds. I added the xx's so the spammers, bulk faxers and identity thieves won't find you. I sincerely hope that this doesn't blow your cover in the Witness Protection Program. Rob =-=-=-=-=-=-= James D. Mayfield Global Wireless, LTD kb9bxx wrl at gwltd.com xxxbnr at revealed.net xx at gwltd.com xx19 7th Street Moline, IL 61265 Phone: (309) 762-60xx Fax: (309) 757-18xx From asouth at strato.net Thu Feb 10 18:43:00 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:43:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM References: <20050211010200.85923.qmail@web61302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501c50fe3$67500f20$9300a8c0@Arthur> Hello list, I haven't received my GEM yet. I, like Alan, will miss Helen's column very much. That was one more nail that held us together. It is where I first learned of the SEL. I contacted Helen and she told me how to subscribe to the list. Thanks Helen for a job well done! You will be missed! There are getting to be fewer reasons to subscribe to GEM. I did notice the last issue I received seemed to be lighter than some of the ones a few years ago. I was looking thru the Ads and there seem to be fewer of they also. I was looking for a source for a head gasket for my LB 3-5 IHC. No luck! At least nothing jumped out at me. I'll have to take a look in some older issues. Maybe there will be something in them. Good night you all. Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:01 PM Subject: [SEL] The new GEM > Howdy Folks, > I got the new GEM yesterday. > I was very sad to see no article from the SEL and then I read the note > saying good-bye to Helen. > > Who is going to step up and take over the job? > > Thank you, Helen for all your service. > > Alan Bowen > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From asouth at strato.net Thu Feb 10 18:59:48 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:59:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about References: Message-ID: <008901c50fe5$bfc87500$9300a8c0@Arthur> The map was close, about 1000 ft. short. Not many of my neighbors know me so I could possibly escape. lol. Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:10 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about >A friend of mine of more than 20 years just sent me this and I thought I >would share. We are both named Peg and she calls me Mom. > > > Peg Pfeiffer > > Nice to know! > Subject: Phone Numbers - give Maps to your home > > Google has implemented a feature wherein you can type someone's > telephone number into the search bar and hit enter and then you will be > given a map to their house. Everyone should be aware of this! From canuckiron at wightman.ca Thu Feb 10 22:08:10 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:08:10 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Engine colors References: Message-ID: <420C4BCA.5C9E6EFD@wightman.ca> Hi George, Some Chapman and Ontario Wind engines were painted greeny beige colour. I was once told that certain Mogul engines were painted a blue colour. I had heard that engines purchased for our Ministry of Transport had to be painted red. Duncan George Best wrote: > I know that the shade of color used by some manufacturers would vary > from time to time since some bought their paint from whoever gave them > the best deal, or it could vary just because someone different was > mixing the paint. > > However.... Were there any manufacturers that didn't have a specific > color which identified their engines? > > As an example, I've heard that Samson engines made in California were > painted various colors depending on what they had on hand. Anyone else > heard this or have information on this? > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Feb 10 19:31:18 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:31:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine colors In-Reply-To: <420C4BCA.5C9E6EFD@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <200502110331.j1B3VfqK099467@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> My Chapman 2 was black, the 7 appears to have been black, or at least under the brass tag it's a totally dark black looking colour. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Duncan Denman Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:08 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine colors Hi George, Some Chapman and Ontario Wind engines were painted greeny beige colour. I was once told that certain Mogul engines were painted a blue colour. I had heard that engines purchased for our Ministry of Transport had to be painted red. Duncan George Best wrote: > I know that the shade of color used by some manufacturers would vary > from time to time since some bought their paint from whoever gave them > the best deal, or it could vary just because someone different was > mixing the paint. > > However.... Were there any manufacturers that didn't have a specific > color which identified their engines? > > As an example, I've heard that Samson engines made in California were > painted various colors depending on what they had on hand. Anyone > else heard this or have information on this? > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 10 19:58:59 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:58:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: <200502110237.j1B2bxml066513@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <001601c50fca$81b413c0$0500005a@laptop> <200502110237.j1B2bxml066513@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050210225631.026084b8@mail.alltel.net> At 09:37 PM 2/10/2005, you wrote: > > In today's world, if your going to just had out all your personal > > information. Someone is going to send you junk mail, spam, steal your > > identity, run up credit card bills, call you and try to sell > > you stuff, steal your pay pal log in, and on on. > >Hi Dave, >Finding your business took about 60 seconds. >I added the xx's so the spammers, bulk faxers >and identity thieves won't find you. > >I sincerely hope that this doesn't blow your >cover in the Witness Protection Program. > >Rob Hi Rob, Did you notice also the address in Coal Valley, IL? How many 43 year olds do you think are in the witness Protection Plan? Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Feb 10 20:51:37 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:51:37 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050210225631.026084b8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200502110451.j1B4pe3w043677@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Hi Rob, Did you notice also the address in Coal Valley, IL? > How many 43 year olds do you think are in the witness > Protection Plan? > Dave Hi Dave, Forty three you say?! I never would have guessed that from the pictures that were taken through his upstairs window. I would have guessed at LEAST fifty three. Was that his girlfriend? Rob P.S. Do you think that Peg is going to publish all his contact info in next month's GEM? From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Feb 10 21:08:42 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:08:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Thanks Helen Message-ID: <420C3DDA.6050203@earthlink.net> I could say you will be missed, but that would not be the truth. You are already missed because you were not in my latest issue of GEM. Thanks, Jeff Allen From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Feb 10 23:01:59 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:01:59 +0100 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM References: <20050211010200.85923.qmail@web61302.mail.yahoo.com> <001501c50fe3$67500f20$9300a8c0@Arthur> Message-ID: <003201c51007$94cf0d60$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Arthur, Hit-'n-Miss and Starbolt sells them. HM 627 Head gasket LB 3-5 hp $6.00 250 B2 Head gasket LB 3-5 hp $7.00 Take care, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > I was looking for a source for a head gasket for my LB 3-5 IHC. No luck! At > least nothing jumped out at me. I'll have to take a look in some older > issues. Maybe there will be something in them. > > Good night you all. > > Arthur Southwell Rebuilding > Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. > asouth at strato.net From cgandree at mchsi.com Fri Feb 11 02:45:23 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:45:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! Message-ID: <021120051045.5466.420C8CC30005D7580000155A21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Peg, Go for it Peg, with alot of help from your friends you will do a great job! lol Curt Andree > Hi All I was also sad to hear Helen was hanging up her virtual pen. > > I would like to run this by the SEL before I contact GEM. > > Do you think I could be a poor imitation of Helen?? or should I just forget > it and wait for someone else to step up to the plate??? > Thanks for any input, I already have a flame retardant suit. > > Peg Pfeiffer > > >From: Alan Bowen > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Subject: [SEL] The new GEM > >Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:01:59 -0800 (PST) > > > >Howdy Folks, > >I got the new GEM yesterday. > >I was very sad to see no article from the SEL and then I read the note > >saying good-bye to Helen. > > > >Who is going to step up and take over the job? > > > >Thank you, Helen for all your service. > > > >Alan Bowen > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Fri Feb 11 03:09:23 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:09:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! References: Message-ID: <420C9263.12D3CC40@insulate.co.uk> Hi Peg Don't wait for anyone else to step up - it could be a long wait!!! I don't know what Richard put in GEM, but as I said to the List before I said anything to Richard, it's getting harder and harder to find quality threads on a subject which hasn't already been covered in the last 6 years. Of course, as soon as I decided to give it a rest, a couple of really good threads cropped up, which I've saved. Maybe between the two of us, Peg, we could keep this going and, of course, if anyone else wants to chip in, please don't be shy. Dolly William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > Hi All I was also sad to hear Helen was hanging up her virtual pen. > > I would like to run this by the SEL before I contact GEM. > > Do you think I could be a poor imitation of Helen?? or should I just forget > it and wait for someone else to step up to the plate??? > Thanks for any input, I already have a flame retardant suit. > > Peg Pfeiffer > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Feb 11 03:39:56 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:39:56 EST Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about Message-ID: <79.3ef253c2.2f3df38c@aol.com> Try your email address in Google. You will be amazed. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Feb 11 04:18:30 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:18:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Railroad Bridge Engine Message-ID: Is there an update on the engine that was allowed to be removed from a railroad bridge? Can't remember who that was...... Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From wrl at gwltd.com Fri Feb 11 05:07:33 2005 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:07:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about References: <200502110237.j1B2bxml066513@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001a01c5103a$ac9d8880$0500005a@laptop> The business I want you to find. But 90 percent of the info you found is incorrect, and about 5 years out of date. The only thing you found that was correct is one phone number, and as I said this info I want you to be able to find. J. Dave Mayfield www.w9wrl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:37 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about > > In today's world, if your going to just had out all your personal > > information. Someone is going to send you junk mail, spam, steal your > > identity, run up credit card bills, call you and try to sell > > you stuff, steal your pay pal log in, and on on. > > Hi Dave, > Finding your business took about 60 seconds. > I added the xx's so the spammers, bulk faxers > and identity thieves won't find you. > > I sincerely hope that this doesn't blow your > cover in the Witness Protection Program. > > Rob > > =-=-=-=-=-=-= > > James D. Mayfield > Global Wireless, LTD > kb9bxx > > wrl at gwltd.com > xxxbnr at revealed.net > xx at gwltd.com > > xx19 7th Street > Moline, IL 61265 > > Phone: (309) 762-60xx > Fax: (309) 757-18xx > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Fri Feb 11 06:19:15 2005 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:19:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - more "privacy" issues to worry about Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7039098A8@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>We just got rid of outhouses a few years ago! >>Tom Schmutz >>Concord, Va. USA >>Germoamer at aol.com Why? Ours still works. What in the world did you do to it? Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Fri Feb 11 06:52:58 2005 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:52:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! Message-ID: <002001c51049$78149900$67690b42@computer> Thx. Dolly, Your articles were always of interest to me. However, whenever a redhead speaks, I listen even if it comes from a bottle as you told me it did. Hope to see you this year at Portland and don't let Jim load your new free time too much with company book work. George -----Original Message----- From: Jim French To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Friday, February 11, 2005 5:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! >Hi Peg > >Don't wait for anyone else to step up - it could be a long wait!!! >I don't know what Richard put in GEM, but as I said to the List before I said >anything to Richard, it's getting harder and harder to find quality threads on >a subject which hasn't already been covered in the last 6 years. >Of course, as soon as I decided to give it a rest, a couple of really good >threads cropped up, which I've saved. >Maybe between the two of us, Peg, we could keep this going and, of course, if >anyone else wants to chip in, please don't be shy. > >Dolly > >William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > >> Hi All I was also sad to hear Helen was hanging up her virtual pen. >> >> I would like to run this by the SEL before I contact GEM. >> >> Do you think I could be a poor imitation of Helen?? or should I just forget >> it and wait for someone else to step up to the plate??? >> Thanks for any input, I already have a flame retardant suit. >> >> Peg Pfeiffer >> > >-- >Jim French >fbi at insulate.co.uk >http://www.insulate.co.uk > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Feb 11 06:59:54 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:59:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: <001a01c5103a$ac9d8880$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: Is this info correct? http://www.arrl.org/fcc/fcclook.php3?call=w9wrl Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================== >From: "Dave Mayfield" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about >Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:07:33 -0600 > >The business I want you to find. But 90 percent of the info you found is >incorrect, and about 5 years out of date. The only thing you found that was >correct is one phone number, and as I said this info I want you to be able >to find. > >J. Dave Mayfield >www.w9wrl.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rob Skinner" >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:37 PM >Subject: RE: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about > > > > > In today's world, if your going to just had out all your personal > > > information. Someone is going to send you junk mail, spam, steal your > > > identity, run up credit card bills, call you and try to sell > > > you stuff, steal your pay pal log in, and on on. > > > > Hi Dave, > > Finding your business took about 60 seconds. > > I added the xx's so the spammers, bulk faxers > > and identity thieves won't find you. > > > > I sincerely hope that this doesn't blow your > > cover in the Witness Protection Program. > > > > Rob > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > James D. Mayfield > > Global Wireless, LTD > > kb9bxx > > > > wrl at gwltd.com > > xxxbnr at revealed.net > > xx at gwltd.com > > > > xx19 7th Street > > Moline, IL 61265 > > > > Phone: (309) 762-60xx > > Fax: (309) 757-18xx > > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Feb 11 07:19:02 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:19:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: References: <001a01c5103a$ac9d8880$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050211101228.02560da8@mail.alltel.net> Your on the right track Luke. We also need to find out if Dave ever got the Hal ST 5000 RTTY DEMOD that he was looking for almost 10 months ago. Perhaps a call to 309-781-9308 will shed some light on this matter! Dave At 09:59 AM 2/11/2005, you wrote: >Is this info correct? > >http://www.arrl.org/fcc/fcclook.php3?call=w9wrl > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA >================== > >>From: "Dave Mayfield" >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Subject: Re: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about >>Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:07:33 -0600 >> >>The business I want you to find. But 90 percent of the info you found is >>incorrect, and about 5 years out of date. The only thing you found that was >>correct is one phone number, and as I said this info I want you to be able >>to find. >> >>J. Dave Mayfield >>www.w9wrl.com >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Rob Skinner" >>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >>Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:37 PM >>Subject: RE: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about >> >> >> > > In today's world, if your going to just had out all your personal >> > > information. Someone is going to send you junk mail, spam, steal your >> > > identity, run up credit card bills, call you and try to sell >> > > you stuff, steal your pay pal log in, and on on. >> > >> > Hi Dave, >> > Finding your business took about 60 seconds. >> > I added the xx's so the spammers, bulk faxers >> > and identity thieves won't find you. >> > >> > I sincerely hope that this doesn't blow your >> > cover in the Witness Protection Program. >> > >> > Rob >> > >> > =-=-=-=-=-=-= >> > >> > James D. Mayfield >> > Global Wireless, LTD >> > kb9bxx >> > >> > wrl at gwltd.com >> > xxxbnr at revealed.net >> > xx at gwltd.com >> > >> > xx19 7th Street >> > Moline, IL 61265 >> > >> > Phone: (309) 762-60xx >> > Fax: (309) 757-18xx >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Fri Feb 11 08:02:25 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:02:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! Message-ID: A big thanks to Helen for all the work she put in over the years on the GEM article. Was kind of interesting looking at an issue and rereading about some of the topics we had discussed on the list. Some times it was nice seeing something I had posted included in the article, but occasionally there would also be a comment I made which I wished hadn't been put in print for the everyone to see. I've been known to say things to family or friends (that includes SEL) that I'd rather not have spread beyond the intended audience. Isn't there some wise saying about not saying or writing things you wouldn't want shared with everyone? Anyway.... Thanks again Helen for all your work! If Peg wants to give it a go, I wish her well. Actually.... If we all wanted to help Peg, the biggest help would be to get SEL back to life again. It seems the "slick" list gets more postings than the SEL list, but the "slick" list isn't appropriate for GEM articles ;-) George Best > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Jim French > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 3:09 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > > Hi Peg > > Don't wait for anyone else to step up - it could be a long wait!!! > I don't know what Richard put in GEM, but as I said to the > List before I said anything to Richard, it's getting harder > and harder to find quality threads on a subject which hasn't > already been covered in the last 6 years. > Of course, as soon as I decided to give it a rest, a couple > of really good threads cropped up, which I've saved. > Maybe between the two of us, Peg, we could keep this going > and, of course, if anyone else wants to chip in, please don't be shy. > > Dolly > > William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > > > Hi All I was also sad to hear Helen was hanging up her virtual pen. > > > > I would like to run this by the SEL before I contact GEM. > > > > Do you think I could be a poor imitation of Helen?? or > should I just > > forget it and wait for someone else to step up to the plate??? > > Thanks for any input, I already have a flame retardant suit. > > > > Peg Pfeiffer From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 11 08:34:05 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:34:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <002001c51049$78149900$67690b42@computer> References: <002001c51049$78149900$67690b42@computer> Message-ID: Hi George, OHMYGAWD!!!! Dolly's NOT a REAL redhead? The collar & cuffs DON'T match? Wot about the curves man????? Hey, Peg, maybe you can do a GEM piece on the REAL women of the SEL? Dish the details!! 8->>> BTW, let me add my endorsement of your new "position." As Dolly said, the biggest factor is the desire to take the time to do it. Enjoy!! See ya, Arnie On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > Thx. Dolly, > Your articles were always of interest to me. However, whenever a > redhead speaks, I listen even if it comes from a bottle as you told me it > did. Hope to see you this year at Portland and don't let Jim load your new > free time too much with company book work. George From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Feb 11 08:50:42 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:50:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] WAS The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! / Now Russell Tractor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey George, I was watching RFDTV last night and they were covering a guys tractor collection. He was talking about a Russell tractor and said he got it from a George Best from Oregon. I said to my wife, "hey that has to be the same guy from the SEL!" Would that be you? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: "George Best" > > A big thanks to Helen for all the work she put in over the years on the >GEM article. Was kind of interesting looking at an issue and rereading >about some of the topics we had discussed on the list. Some times it >was nice seeing something I had posted included in the article, but >occasionally there would also be a comment I made which I wished hadn't >been put in print for the everyone to see. I've been known to say >things to family or friends (that includes SEL) that I'd rather not have >spread beyond the intended audience. > >Isn't there some wise saying about not saying or writing things you >wouldn't want shared with everyone? > >Anyway.... Thanks again Helen for all your work! > >If Peg wants to give it a go, I wish her well. > >Actually.... If we all wanted to help Peg, the biggest help would be to >get SEL back to life again. It seems the "slick" list gets more >postings than the SEL list, but the "slick" list isn't appropriate for >GEM articles ;-) > >George Best From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Feb 11 08:52:26 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:52:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bye Dolly Message-ID: <20050211.115230.1060.6.jlb94@juno.com> Gee Dolly - - - The SEL will surely miss your articles in GEM. It is a great loss. But, I'm sure we'll see you at the shows - Right ? XOXOXOXOX Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 11 09:07:00 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:07:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: YIKES!! Hey Luke, that's Federal licensing info. If THAT data is fraudulent, J.Dave may find himself dancing the horizontal mambo in his bunk at Marion with a partner who goes by the name Bubba the Bum Buster. See ya, Arnie On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Is this info correct? > > http://www.arrl.org/fcc/fcclook.php3?call=w9wrl > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ================== > > >From: "Dave Mayfield" > >The business I want you to find. But 90 percent of the info you found is > >incorrect, and about 5 years out of date. The only thing you found that was > >correct is one phone number, and as I said this info I want you to be able > >to find. > >J. Dave Mayfield > >www.w9wrl.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 11 09:26:45 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:26:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: <001a01c5103a$ac9d8880$0500005a@laptop> References: <200502110237.j1B2bxml066513@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <001a01c5103a$ac9d8880$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: ROFLMAO!!!! Errr, Dave, what would you post if you were trying to keep your personal info private and it was "outed" to the list? Something very much like this response I reckon. Somehow, I don't think the hounds will be thrown off the scent though. 8-)) BTW, if you zoom in on this pic (the left window), I think that's behavior you might want to schedule in the future for those times when the satellite is NOT overhead. But that's just me... http://www.terraserver-usa.com/addressimage.aspx?t=1&s=10&Lon=-90.52777122&Lat=41.49429396&Alon=-90.52777122&Alat=41.49429396&w=1&opt=0&addr=1821+7th+St%2c+Moline%2c+IL+61265&qs=1821+7th+St%7cMoline%7cIL See ya, Arnie On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, Dave Mayfield wrote: > The business I want you to find. But 90 percent of the info you found is > incorrect, and about 5 years out of date. The only thing you found that was > correct is one phone number, and as I said this info I want you to be able > to find. > > J. Dave Mayfield > www.w9wrl.com From BillMil357 at aol.com Fri Feb 11 09:29:55 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:29:55 EST Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! Message-ID: <1a9.316a153d.2f3e4593@aol.com> Dolly, Hate to see you go, we are sure going to miss your article in GEM, hope you have a little more leisure time now, Enjoy it. Hope to see you and Jim and the boys at Portland this year, I have never been but hope to go this year. Thanks, Bill Miller. From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Feb 11 09:34:48 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:34:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arnie, The FCC is serious about fradulent info and wrongful broadcasting. I remember reading an article a while back about a guy in Cincinnati, Ohio. His name was George Dover (I can give you his call sign if you would like). There were complaints/reports of George misusing his license. After an investigation it was reported that is wasn't George, it was his brother, Ben Dover. Ben was using his brothers ham equipment to illegally broadcast. Ben Dover is currently serving time in Marion. I wouldn't want to get caught by the FCC and get put in a cell with THAT guy! Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================= >From: Arnie Fero > >YIKES!! Hey Luke, that's Federal licensing info. If THAT data is >fraudulent, J.Dave may find himself dancing the horizontal mambo in his >bunk at Marion with a partner who goes by the name Bubba the Bum Buster. > >See ya, Arnie > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Feb 11 09:39:20 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:39:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: References: <200502110237.j1B2bxml066513@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <001a01c5103a$ac9d8880$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050211123736.02690c78@mail.alltel.net> Holy Cow Arnie--did you read the last paragraph of the Criminal Background Check? (See: page 5 at the bottom.) Dave At 12:26 PM 2/11/2005, you wrote: >ROFLMAO!!!! Errr, Dave, what would you post if you were trying to keep >your personal info private and it was "outed" to the list? Something very >much like this response I reckon. Somehow, I don't think the hounds will >be thrown off the scent though. 8-)) > >BTW, if you zoom in on this pic (the left window), I think that's behavior >you might want to schedule in the future for those times when the >satellite is NOT overhead. But that's just me... >http://www.terraserver-usa.com/addressimage.aspx?t=1&s=10&Lon=-90.52777122&Lat=41.49429396&Alon=-90.52777122&Alat=41.49429396&w=1&opt=0&addr=1821+7th+St%2c+Moline%2c+IL+61265&qs=1821+7th+St%7cMoline%7cIL > >See ya, Arnie > >On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, Dave Mayfield wrote: > > > The business I want you to find. But 90 percent of the info you found is > > incorrect, and about 5 years out of date. The only thing you found that was > > correct is one phone number, and as I said this info I want you to be able > > to find. > > > > J. Dave Mayfield > > www.w9wrl.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 11 09:55:04 2005 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:55:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! References: Message-ID: <007e01c51062$d19fd700$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> > Actually.... If we all wanted to help Peg, the biggest help would be to > get SEL back to life again. It seems the "slick" list gets more > postings than the SEL list, but the "slick" list isn't appropriate for > GEM articles ;-) All Right George! I believe you hit the nail on the head, I took the time look back on the past 5 days, what I found was this. There were a total of 88 SEL postings, (I think I weeded out all the multiples that defeat my filter and come from the guy's that are way too busy to address a separate one to each of the two lists and use therefore cc to the second one. Of the 88 messages, 39 were clearly "Off Topic", though only 25 of them were so marked, "Hey if you don't like it when I laugh at the rules *&%&% You !" Of the remaining 62 ( lets see, yup, that's 12.4 per day) 14 actually had engine information, you remember that stuff don't you, things that someone may actually need to know) That was your "Engine Colors" thread. Which was way good since there are things like "Yellow" Economies out there now. ( by the way what's a good spelling of the sound someone makes when puking their guts up?) 4 were in regard to the SEL decals, a worthy effort but hardly the stuff of a GEM column. 6 were what I think of as "Hearts and Flowers" (Get Well Fast Charley !), once again worthy but not much use to a writer. 36 were on topic, in that they spoke of engine related things like belt dressing and winter engine fun, but long before they could produce something useful, they degenerated in "Stand Up Comedy" or at least a chance to show how witty someone can be while wasting their bosses time reading the list. A good number of these last 36 were also used to thank Helen and to further this discussion, but as I look at what has been written since I started this tally, I find that this subject also is just too good to keep it straight, YUK YUK YUK ! Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm From curt at imc-group.com Fri Feb 11 11:30:08 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:30:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <420D07C0.7010901@imc-group.com> Luke, ROTFLMFAO! Very funny. As clever as that crack pot Jacques Mehoff that showed up on slick last week! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Arnie, > > The FCC is serious about fradulent info and wrongful broadcasting. I > remember reading an article a while back about a guy in Cincinnati, > Ohio. His name was George Dover (I can give you his call sign if you > would like). There were complaints/reports of George misusing his > license. After an investigation it was reported that is wasn't George, > it was his brother, Ben Dover. Ben was using his brothers ham > equipment to illegally broadcast. Ben Dover is currently serving time > in Marion. I wouldn't want to get caught by the FCC and get put in a > cell with THAT guy! > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Fri Feb 11 12:26:06 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:26:06 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Pump Question References: Message-ID: <009001c51077$ebafd950$68fc3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Does anybody know of a source for pump parts. Pump leathers, foot valves, pistons and other odds and ends. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri Feb 11 12:47:55 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:47:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Pump Question In-Reply-To: <009001c51077$ebafd950$68fc3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <20050211204755.41447.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> Jim Try Jack Welton 330-666-1576 weltonspump at aol.com I have his address also. He sells pump parts at the CPM show in PA. Curt Andree said that he has some items a few months back as well. Steve --- Jim and Diane wrote: Does anybody know of a source for pump parts. Pump leathers, foot valves, pistons and other odds and ends. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net From nick at holden1.net Fri Feb 11 12:53:16 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:53:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Pump Question References: <009001c51077$ebafd950$68fc3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <420D1B3C.000012.02732@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Jim the best place i can think of is AMOS pumps (UK) Ltd Wendron Helston Cornwall TR13 0NA phone 01326-573341 fax 01326-572322 hope this will help nick -------Original Message------- From: Jim and Diane Date: 02/11/05 20:42:19 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Pump Question Does anybody know of a source for pump parts. Pump leathers, foot valves, pistons and other odds and ends. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Feb 11 14:21:17 2005 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:51:17 +1030 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about References: <200502110237.j1B2bxml066513@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <001a01c5103a$ac9d8880$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <002201c51088$024fd470$32c78890@chaos> using nasa program, world wind , lets me see in every window' and travel near street level . No one is safe. It downloads aerial photos of any part of US or the world as needed. Except area 51, the ruskies have better images :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 3:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about > ROFLMAO!!!! Errr, Dave, what would you post if you were trying to keep >, if you zoom in on this pic (the left window), I think that's behavior > you might want to schedule in the future for those times when the > satellite is NOT overhead. But that's just me... > http://www.terraserver-usa.com/addressimage.aspx?t=1&s=10&Lon=-90.52777122&Lat=41.49429396&Alon=-90.52777122&Alat=41.49429396&w=1&opt=0&addr=1821+7th+St%2c+Moline%2c+IL+61265&qs=1821+7th+St%7cMoline%7cIL > > From George_Best at adp.com Fri Feb 11 14:33:15 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:33:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] WAS The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! / Now Russell Tractor Message-ID: Yes. I know that tractor well, in fact it still has my name painted on the fuel tank. I restored it years ago and traded it to my friend in Great Falls. I haven't been over to his place for a couple of years now so haven't run the Russell for a while. Once it warms up it will idle down to where you hear each cylinder fire. > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Luke Tonneberger > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 8:51 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: RE: [SEL] WAS The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! / Now > Russell Tractor > > Hey George, I was watching RFDTV last night and they were > covering a guys tractor collection. He was talking about a > Russell tractor and said he got it from a George Best from > Oregon. I said to my wife, "hey that has to be the same guy > from the SEL!" Would that be you? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ===================== > > >From: "George Best" > > > > A big thanks to Helen for all the work she put in over the > years on > >the GEM article. Was kind of interesting looking at an issue and > >rereading about some of the topics we had discussed on the > list. Some > >times it was nice seeing something I had posted included in the > >article, but occasionally there would also be a comment I > made which I > >wished hadn't been put in print for the everyone to see. I've been > >known to say things to family or friends (that includes SEL) > that I'd > >rather not have spread beyond the intended audience. > > > >Isn't there some wise saying about not saying or writing things you > >wouldn't want shared with everyone? > > > >Anyway.... Thanks again Helen for all your work! > > > >If Peg wants to give it a go, I wish her well. > > > >Actually.... If we all wanted to help Peg, the biggest help > would be to > >get SEL back to life again. It seems the "slick" list gets more > >postings than the SEL list, but the "slick" list isn't > appropriate for > >GEM articles ;-) > > > >George Best > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Fri Feb 11 14:35:32 2005 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:35:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A visit with Charlie In-Reply-To: <007501c50fb2$4d31ecc0$230110ac@PAUL> References: <007501c50fb2$4d31ecc0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050211161446.03af3be8@mail.herculesengines.com> I found myself in the Boston are, from Indiana, for a few days while my wife is attending a workshop. I have visited Charlie at his home west of St. Louis a few years ago and always visiting with him at Portland and other shows. I decided what better way to spend some time than visiting with a ill friend. I got to the hospital about 10:45 AM. Mass. General is one big hospital, there were 10 ambulances at the emergency room entrance. I got Charlies room # from the info desk and headed to his room. He is in the cardiac step down unit. When I got to his room the nurse was just finishing his bath. I ask her if I could visit with him. She indicated that it would be a few minutes before she was done with him and she'd come to the waiting room and get me when she was done. After waiting for almost 2 hours, I checked on him several times but someone was always working on him, I finally found him alone. He was sitting in a chair next to the bed looking at his lunch tray. It seems the strong antibiotics he has been on has killed his appetite. He recognized me and we had a real nice visit, talked about his health, his move to Maine and of course engines. He seems to be doing very well. He will be in this room until Monday when he will be transferred to the cardiac rehab therapy unit. He'll probably be there for a week or so before heading home. He is planning on being at his usual spot at Portland this summer. So, it looks like it will take more than a leaky valve to get this old engine guy down. After all valve jobs are standard on most of the restorations we do. :-) I'm just wondering if the doc is going to give him a slick paint job or just leave him in "as found" condition. Keith From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 11 14:08:56 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:08:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Pump Question References: <009001c51077$ebafd950$68fc3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <00bf01c51086$47fc3420$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Does anybody know of a source for pump parts. Pump leathers, foot valves, > pistons and other odds and ends. > > Jim Hey Jim Give these cats a holler http://www.deanbennett.com/cylinder_cups.htm http://www.deanbennett.com/bakerpumpjacks.htm Chuck From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Feb 11 14:59:17 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:59:17 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Another Economy question Message-ID: <20050211.145917.1304.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I am getting closer to having the 7hp Economy running on the Webster mag. I bought a push rod trip finger assembly from Hit & Miss, I thought that was what I needed to trip the mag. Well it is just part of what I need, I need the part that attaches the trip finger to the push rod. Does anyone have a good picture of what I need and what it is called? I tried to explain what I needed when I placed the last order. Oh well. Also what does the gas tank fill look like for a 1917 engine? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 11 15:10:23 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:10:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A visit with Charlie References: <007501c50fb2$4d31ecc0$230110ac@PAUL> <6.2.0.14.0.20050211161446.03af3be8@mail.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <00eb01c5108e$e0bc1470$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks Keith for this "first hand" report on Charlie, it is good to hear that our ole engine buddy is handling his restoration very well. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 4:35 PM Subject: [SEL] A visit with Charlie >I found myself in the Boston are, from Indiana, for a few days while my >wife is attending a workshop. I have visited Charlie at his home west of >St. Louis a few years ago and always visiting with him at Portland and >other shows. I decided what better way to spend some time than visiting >with a ill friend. > From cgandree at mchsi.com Fri Feb 11 15:25:50 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:25:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Pump Question Message-ID: <021120052325.24218.420D3EFE0000E59000005E9A21979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Jim, Ive got a very large supply of NOS leathers, etc. Contact me off list. Curt Andree > Does anybody know of a source for pump parts. Pump leathers, foot valves, > pistons and other odds and ends. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Feb 11 16:07:43 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:07:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! References: <002001c51049$78149900$67690b42@computer> Message-ID: <005101c51096$dfcfbf00$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> Rumor has it that Helen has taking up a new singing career. She intends to replace the lady at Portland with her new versions of "Oh Canada" etc. We can hardly wait............... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > Hi George, > > OHMYGAWD!!!! Dolly's NOT a REAL redhead? The collar & cuffs DON'T match? > Wot about the curves man????? > > Hey, Peg, maybe you can do a GEM piece on the REAL women of the SEL? > Dish the details!! 8->>> > > BTW, let me add my endorsement of your new "position." As Dolly said, the > biggest factor is the desire to take the time to do it. Enjoy!! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > > > Thx. Dolly, > > Your articles were always of interest to me. However, whenever a > > redhead speaks, I listen even if it comes from a bottle as you told me it > > did. Hope to see you this year at Portland and don't let Jim load your new > > free time too much with company book work. George > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 11 16:24:10 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:24:10 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Rather expensive model Message-ID: <000d01c51099$2d5ce2f0$8c9f0952@no1> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5954163863 I think paying 23,444 US Dollar for a model engine is a little over the top! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Fri Feb 11 16:35:49 2005 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:35:49 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Pump Question In-Reply-To: <009001c51077$ebafd950$68fc3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: Jim, Try http://www.acdepuydt.com, and they're local (o.k., maybe more local for me than they are for you) They are a great outfit and carry lots of different stuff for sealing - Garlock, Buna, Viton, etc. for a good price. Have fun shopping, -- Kelley Garcia La Habra, Ka. USA On 2/11/05 12:26 PM, "Jim and Diane" wrote: > Does anybody know of a source for pump parts. Pump leathers, foot valves, > pistons and other odds and ends. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 11 16:08:54 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:08:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Rather expensive model References: <000d01c51099$2d5ce2f0$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: <001b01c51097$0a59f1a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Id take off a grand straight for the bike carb > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5954163863 > I think paying 23,444 US Dollar for a model engine is a little over the top! From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 11 16:43:16 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:43:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <005101c51096$dfcfbf00$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> References: <002001c51049$78149900$67690b42@computer> <005101c51096$dfcfbf00$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: <1108168996.420d512449fc5@webmail.city-net.com> Mike, What a brilliant idea!! I think this should be a "command performance." While I've not personally heard Dolly sing, I have heard that she has a legendary singing voice. See ya, Arnie Quoting Mike Royster : > Rumor has it that Helen has taking up a new singing career. She intends to > replace the lady at Portland with her new versions of "Oh Canada" etc. We > can hardly wait............... From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Feb 11 16:45:17 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:45:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <005101c51096$dfcfbf00$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> References: <002001c51049$78149900$67690b42@computer> <005101c51096$dfcfbf00$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: I'll be glad to provide a no-singing slide guitar version of "The Star Spangled Banner." I'd ditch "O Canada." It is in Indiana, for pete's sake! John On Feb 11, 2005, at 7:07 PM, Mike Royster wrote: > Rumor has it that Helen has taking up a new singing career. She > intends to > replace the lady at Portland with her new versions of "Oh Canada" etc. > We > can hardly wait............... John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 11 16:48:31 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:48:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rather expensive model In-Reply-To: <000d01c51099$2d5ce2f0$8c9f0952@no1> References: <000d01c51099$2d5ce2f0$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: <1108169311.420d525f0009c@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Dave, I'll be the first to admit that the current exchange rate sucks, but it's not quite THAT bad. Yet... That engine went for $4,768 US (still pricy). See http://www.xe.com/ucc/ See ya, Arnie Quoting Dave Croft : > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5954163863 > I think paying 23,444 US Dollar for a model engine is a little over the top! From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Feb 11 16:58:43 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:58:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Pump Question In-Reply-To: <009001c51077$ebafd950$68fc3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <200502120058.j1C0wjFq003170@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Does anybody know of a source for pump parts. Pump leathers, > foot valves, pistons and other odds and ends. Heya Jim, Try A.C. DePuydt. They have what you need. And in the rare event that you can dream up something they don't have on the shelf, they'll make it for you. They're in Commerce right off the 5 at about Slauson. If you're not willing to come down off the mountain, visit their web page at http://www.acdepuydt.com Another option is: Orange County Pump 1310 N. Harbor Blvd. Santa Ana, CA 92703 (800)400-PUMP =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 11 17:00:17 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:00:17 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Rather expensive model References: <000d01c51099$2d5ce2f0$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: <000401c5109e$38e954a0$8c9f0952@no1> Sorry, Something went wrong with the currency converter. I think it comes out at 4,767.87 USD. Still a lot for a model. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 12:24 AM Subject: [SEL] Rather expensive model > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5954163863 > I think paying 23,444 US Dollar for a model engine is a little over the top! > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rexhinz at chorus.net Fri Feb 11 17:22:58 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:22:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] How big an engine ? Message-ID: <000701c510a1$65a88850$7d86a5d8@mycomputer> Hi list; I was asked today from fellow workers how big a hit miss engine it would take to power a threshing machine , I couldn't give them nothing but a guess , my guess was around 7 Hp , was I any where close ? can anyone on list say " been there done that ! " lets hear some guesses Rex Hinz if you can't get your beer can open you proabbly don't need any more From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Feb 11 17:33:44 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:33:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Another Economy question References: <20050211.145917.1304.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Take a look here Ron: It's a 5hp tho so don't know about your seven. If they are indeed the same, let me know and I'll do more pictures and measurements. http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/76454981ExJSvN Take care, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 3:59 PM Subject: [SEL] Another Economy question > Hi all. I am getting closer to having the 7hp Economy running on the > Webster mag. I bought a push rod trip finger assembly from Hit & Miss, I > thought that was what I needed to trip the mag. Well it is just part of > what I need, I need the part that attaches the trip finger to the push > rod. Does anyone have a good picture of what I need and what it is > called? I tried to explain what I needed when I placed the last order. > Oh well. Also what does the gas tank fill look like for a 1917 engine? > Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Feb 11 17:52:22 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:52:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How big an engine ? In-Reply-To: <000701c510a1$65a88850$7d86a5d8@mycomputer> References: <000701c510a1$65a88850$7d86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050211204910.0e002f50@mail.alltel.net> At 08:22 PM 2/11/2005, you wrote: > Hi list; > I was asked today from fellow workers how big a hit miss engine it >would take to power a threshing machine , I couldn't give them nothing but >a guess , my guess was around 7 Hp , was I any where close ? can anyone on >list say " been there done that ! " lets hear some guesses > > Rex Hinz Hi Rex, It, of course, would depend on the size of the threshing machine but I think it would take more than a 7 HP. My 15 HP IHC will pull my club's thresher. Dave From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Feb 11 19:07:00 2005 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:07:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! Message-ID: <410-220052612370453@earthlink.net> You mean I won't have to put ear plugs in this year? TIm Christoff Basehor KS. tchristoff at earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: Mike Royster > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/11/2005 6:10:04 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > > Rumor has it that Helen has taking up a new singing career. She intends to > replace the lady at Portland with her new versions of "Oh Canada" etc. We > can hardly wait............... > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Fri Feb 11 19:12:50 2005 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:12:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Another Economy question In-Reply-To: References: <20050211.145917.1304.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050211211223.03ab43f0@mail.herculesengines.com> All mag parts are the same for the 5 and 7 HP engines. Keith At 07:33 PM 2/11/2005, you wrote: >Take a look here Ron: It's a 5hp tho so don't know about your seven. If >they are indeed the same, let me know and I'll do more pictures and >measurements. > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/76454981ExJSvN > >Take care, >RickinMt. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 3:59 PM >Subject: [SEL] Another Economy question > > > > Hi all. I am getting closer to having the 7hp Economy running on the > > Webster mag. I bought a push rod trip finger assembly from Hit & Miss, I > > thought that was what I needed to trip the mag. Well it is just part of > > what I need, I need the part that attaches the trip finger to the push > > rod. Does anyone have a good picture of what I need and what it is > > called? I tried to explain what I needed when I placed the last order. > > Oh well. Also what does the gas tank fill look like for a 1917 engine? > > Thanks. > > > > Ron Haskell > > rdhaskell at juno.com > > Riverside, California > > USA > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Feb 11 19:29:44 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:29:44 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Another Economy question Message-ID: <20050211.194218.1304.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks for the pictures Rick. I looked at all 49 of them, nice job. Glenn sent a close up picture of the piece I need. It is a casting, I will try Hit & Miss tomorrow and see if they have it. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:33:44 -0700 "Richard Strobel" writes: > Take a look here Ron: It's a 5hp tho so don't know about your seven. > If > they are indeed the same, let me know and I'll do more pictures and > > measurements. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/76454981ExJSvN > > Take care, > RickinMt. From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Feb 11 19:43:38 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:43:38 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Another Economy question Message-ID: <20050211.194340.1304.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Keith. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:12:50 -0600 Keith Kinney writes: > All mag parts are the same for the 5 and 7 HP engines. > Keith From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Feb 11 19:56:02 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:56:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <410-220052612370453@earthlink.net> References: <410-220052612370453@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050211225325.0e0584b0@mail.alltel.net> Fother Mucker that's sure as hell NOT what the man said! Dave >You mean I won't have to put ear plugs in this year? > >TIm Christoff >Basehor KS. >tchristoff at earthlink.net > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Mike Royster > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: 2/11/2005 6:10:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > > > > Rumor has it that Helen has taking up a new singing career. She intends >to > > replace the lady at Portland with her new versions of "Oh Canada" etc. We > > can hardly wait............... > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 11 20:14:21 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:14:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] More engine colors Message-ID: <20050212041422.85266.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> My Caterpillar engines came in both yellow and gray. The little 1918-vintage overhead cam four cylinder Hall-Scott belonging to a buddy is gray with red lettering. In the nearby oil field the giant V-10 and V-12 11.5-inch bore x 11-inch stroke Fairbanks-Morse natural gas engines that run the natural gas compressors are tan (only in my dreams could I ever afford to either own one or pay for the fuel one of those burns!), the one Roline I ever saw was white. The Allis-Chalmers farm engines I have seen were all orange, the Minneaplis-Moline ones were dark brown. My Indian-made G-G Automotive Gears manufactured "caste iron" clone of the Petter 24/2 is a beautiful dark metallic green. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 11 20:18:55 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:18:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Good Report on Charlie Message-ID: <015401c510b9$f83c9040$230110ac@PAUL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" To: Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 9:43 PM Subject: Good Report on Charlie > Hello from snowy Maine! (had 18 inches from this storm) > Thanks for your note. You wouldn't have wanted to be helping on any > moving here today! Roads have been very slippery. We were happy to stay > home but have to go out in the AM. Should be better then. > > Had a surprise call from Charlie at 4PM today. He was happy to tell me > the culture reports today were good. He was happy, too, to have a visit > from engine friend, Keith --believe his last name is Jenny.--wanted me to > pass that info on. If all goes well he is to be transferred to Spaulding > Rehab Center Monday or Tuesday --not far from MA. General. > > Prayer works! Thanks, > Lois > From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Feb 11 20:34:25 2005 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:34:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! Message-ID: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> Lets break this down then. Mike made the comment that Helen was going to replace the lady at Portland (whose voice will make anyone's ears hurt) with her version of "Oh Canada" etc., hence my comment. Now what part of "that's sure as hell NOT what the man said" have to do with my reply? Tim > [Original Message] > From: Dave Rotigel > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/11/2005 9:57:04 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > > Fother Mucker that's sure as hell NOT what the man said! > Dave > >You mean I won't have to put ear plugs in this year? > > > >TIm Christoff > >Basehor KS. > >tchristoff at earthlink.net > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Mike Royster > > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > > Date: 2/11/2005 6:10:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > > > > > > Rumor has it that Helen has taking up a new singing career. She intends > >to > > > replace the lady at Portland with her new versions of "Oh Canada" etc. We > > > can hardly wait............... > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Feb 11 20:57:44 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:57:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] More Engine Colours Message-ID: <200502120457.j1C4vmKH042053@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Some more colours (off the top of my head): Austral Oil Engines: Gloss Black, Green, Gray, Red Ronaldson-Tippett Type N: Almost any colour depending on the customer and what name they were sold under but mainly Green, Red or Black Rosebery (including Buzacott): mainly green but other colours depending on what name they were sold under e.g. Champions are mainly gray Challenge: Green, Blue, Maroon Fairbanks-Morse: mostly green (but with some red Jack-of-all-Trades engines here in Oz) Stover: Green but some earlier engines are red or red & green Bartram: Black Massey-Harris: Orangey-Red Blackstone: green Root & VanDervoort: Green (but early engines are maroon) Fuller & Johnson: Green (but again early engines are maroon) Of course the colours varied a lot and I am pretty sure many of the manufacturers and distributors would give you any almost any colour you wanted if sales were slow ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Feb 12 01:05:54 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:05:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] More Engine Colours In-Reply-To: <200502120457.j1C4vmKH042053@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <20050212090554.88024.qmail@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi All Anyone any ideas on colours for early Gardner gas engines and Atkinson Cycle engines? That'll test the encyclopaediac knowledge of the experts (hopefully). Regards Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From guitronics at comcast.net Sat Feb 12 02:06:01 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:06:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050211123736.02690c78@mail.alltel.net> References: <200502110237.j1B2bxml066513@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <001a01c5103a$ac9d8880$0500005a@laptop> <6.1.2.0.0.20050211123736.02690c78@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <420DD509.5030908@comcast.net> Michael P. Koryciak wrote: I went to the ARRL site,via the link.When I tried to leave the site, I was presented with the "Sender requests a verification that you read this page"....so in light of Terrorism/National Security,etc.,the site probably is recording IP addresses....or so I think. I could be wrong.I get QST.You guys Ham's?What bands do you work? I don't have a ticket yet.I'm finally getting to the point where I can afford the Transceivers. Plus:I want to get 2 hand guns and a shotgun, and 2 CCW's for my wife and myself first. From guitronics at comcast.net Sat Feb 12 03:05:47 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:05:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More engine colors In-Reply-To: <20050212041422.85266.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050212041422.85266.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <420DE30B.70604@comcast.net> I'm interested in knowing about the Indian - Built "Listeroid" .....how do you like it? Anyone else have Listeroids, or - Listers? Richard Allen wrote: >My Caterpillar engines came in both yellow and gray. The little >1918-vintage overhead cam four cylinder Hall-Scott belonging to a buddy >is gray with red lettering. In the nearby oil field the giant V-10 and >V-12 11.5-inch bore x 11-inch stroke Fairbanks-Morse natural gas >engines that run the natural gas compressors are tan (only in my dreams >could I ever afford to either own one or pay for the fuel one of those >burns!), the one Roline I ever saw was white. The Allis-Chalmers farm >engines I have seen were all orange, the Minneaplis-Moline ones were >dark brown. My Indian-made G-G Automotive Gears manufactured "caste >iron" clone of the Petter 24/2 is a beautiful dark metallic green. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From dcox at triad.rr.com Sat Feb 12 03:51:46 2005 From: dcox at triad.rr.com (Dallas Cox) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:51:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators Message-ID: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Has anyone run a engine on a "on-demand" propane regulator? I am speaking about oil field type engines but could be used on any other engine. Anyone have any ideas on a paint color for a 20 HP, J. C., Oil field engine? Helen, you have done great with the GEM articles, and I am sure Peg would do the same, I would like to see the SEL article continue. Dave, Arnie, do you think you both will be off house arrest in time for our usual summer shows ? Dallas From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sat Feb 12 04:37:23 2005 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:37:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How big an engine ? References: <000701c510a1$65a88850$7d86a5d8@mycomputer> <6.1.2.0.0.20050211204910.0e002f50@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <003f01c51100$66df2760$09d14c0c@pentium> Since most threshers were pulled by tractors, whatever size tractor was required should be the same as the size of engine needed, assuming tractor belt horsepower is the same as engine belt horsepower. The horsepower needed for a thresher is somewhat dependent on 2other things besides size of machine and crop conditions. Does it have a blower on it? The one dad has is a very late model IH machine but does not have a blower but a conveyor instead. Those blowers really eat up some HP. How hard are you feeding it? When loaded these machines were designed to take bundles touching head to tail on the the feeder, not with 4 foot gaps between them. John Hall From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 12 04:57:17 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:57:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators In-Reply-To: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> References: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050212075121.0e08f970@mail.alltel.net> Hi Dallas, >Has anyone run a engine on a "on-demand" propane regulator? I am speaking >about oil field type engines but could be used on any other engine. Jake faith ran several of his engines on them last year. Worked well and saved A LOT. They ran on about 1/8 (or less) of the propane usually needed! Jake has an order in for 20 of the units and will be selling them for $100.00. That will include everything that you need--ie both regulators, the hose and the fittings etc. >Dave, Arnie, do you think you both will be off house arrest in time for >our usual summer shows ? The ankle bands come off next month. We are ready! >Dallas Dave From prepair at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 05:11:48 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:11:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment Message-ID: <0ovr01hvp3o87jbr30b3st2mh9o9f4sgqu@4ax.com> As we seem to be a little quiet on engine-related subjects of late, a couple of items crossed my mind while driving down to see a machinery dealer this morning at 7am :-(( 1) How many guys and gals on the list have 'machinery' at home or a home workshop with machine tools such as a lathe etc? 2) How often does that machinery get used, and is it only used on engine stuff or other hobby/home/work jobs as well? We have been building up a workshop facility at home for the last couple of years, and have almost reached the overflow point for space, so we are refining what we have in the way of machines and looking to get rid of some duplicates or machines that have a function that we can use another one for. Although the '7-day weekend' is not quite upon us, it makes sense to build this up now while we have the trade contacts and income, for it sure as hell won't be there once we have retired! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From prepair at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 05:17:32 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:17:32 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050212075121.0e08f970@mail.alltel.net> References: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212075121.0e08f970@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4e0s01l27p7o7glvhfgtgpdkl6gn2usedt@4ax.com> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:57:17 -0500, you wrote: >>Dave, Arnie, do you think you both will be off house arrest in time for >>our usual summer shows ? > >The ankle bands come off next month. We are ready! > Dave That's a relief! Portland wouldn't be the same without you two.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat Feb 12 05:15:31 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:15:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators References: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Message-ID: <000f01c51104$ed786940$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Dallas, Yes I run my HSCS side shaft on propane and last summer my six horse M. They run nice and quietly on propane. Here in Holland the most guys use a demand regulater as shown in the picture. The Red one is for regulating the pressure and the Blue one is the demand valve. When starting the engine you push the little brass knob and when the engine runs it opens automatically when the engine sucks and closed when the inlet valve closed. Picture can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/regulater.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Has anyone run a engine on a "on-demand" propane regulator? I am speaking > about > oil field type engines but could be used on any other engine. > > Dallas From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Feb 12 06:04:44 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:04:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Another Economy question References: <20050211.194218.1304.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: There should be two small dimples (on the exhaust pushrod) that the setscrews rest in. I assume this is to correctly position the piece in question. They are on the underside. Thanks for the compliment! Lots of fun but now won't start..bad gas maybe. Let me know if I can help. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Another Economy question > Thanks for the pictures Rick. I looked at all 49 of them, nice job. > Glenn sent a close up picture of the piece I need. It is a casting, I > will try Hit & Miss tomorrow and see if they have it. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:33:44 -0700 "Richard Strobel" > writes: > > Take a look here Ron: It's a 5hp tho so don't know about your seven. > > If > > they are indeed the same, let me know and I'll do more pictures and > > > > measurements. > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/76454981ExJSvN > > > > Take care, > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Feb 12 06:17:00 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:17:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment References: <0ovr01hvp3o87jbr30b3st2mh9o9f4sgqu@4ax.com> Message-ID: <001b01c5110d$8459c590$40c19a18@pengy> At the Tod Engine restoration shop we have a Hendey 16" swing by 8' bed lathe, circa 1912, Shumaker & Boye 24" swing x 16' bed lathe, circa 1908, 28" Cincinnati drill press circa 1910 and a Cincinnati Bickford radial drill press circa 1920. None are operational as of yet and all were flat belt driven at one time. A friend has an Enco Mill Drill and a business associate has a Rong Fu mill drill, neither of which is set up either. we also have an elcheapo metalcutting band saw. One of the projects for this year is to put these machines to productive use. At the Tod Engine Works foundry we have a 9" bore cupola furnace and this coming week I will be building a 13" bore brass/aluminum crucible furnace. At the foundry that I do contract work for is an assortment of other equipment that I can use, most notably is a recently acquired Wheelabrator tumbleblast machine. This machine can take any piece of metal with unlimited amounts of rust, scale, paint etc. and turn it a bright silvery color in 5 minutes removing everything but the base metal. On my list of things to acquire include a better quality bandsaw, a good welder, and woodworking tools so that I can start making patterns. Our rubber tired shop equipment list includes an Allis Chalmers front end loader and a Coles truck crane (basketcase). Both are recent acquisitions and await movement to the heritage park and restoration shop respectively. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prepair Ltd" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 8:11 AM Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment > As we seem to be a little quiet on engine-related subjects of late, a > couple of items crossed my mind while driving down to see a machinery > dealer this morning at 7am :-(( > > 1) How many guys and gals on the list have 'machinery' at home or a > home workshop with machine tools such as a lathe etc? > > 2) How often does that machinery get used, and is it only used on > engine stuff or other hobby/home/work jobs as well? > > We have been building up a workshop facility at home for the last > couple of years, and have almost reached the overflow point for space, > so we are refining what we have in the way of machines and looking to > get rid of some duplicates or machines that have a function that we > can use another one for. > > Although the '7-day weekend' is not quite upon us, it makes sense to > build this up now while we have the trade contacts and income, for it > sure as hell won't be there once we have retired! > > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK > prepair at easynet.co.uk > http://www.prepair.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From prepair at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 07:06:09 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:06:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] More engine colors In-Reply-To: <420DE30B.70604@comcast.net> References: <20050212041422.85266.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> <420DE30B.70604@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:05:47 -0500, you wrote: >I'm interested in knowing about the Indian - Built "Listeroid" .....how >do you like it? Anyone else have Listeroids, or - Listers? Quite a few of the Indian-built engines are in the USA, and you can buy them new on ebay. Quality, or lack of it seems to have been a recurring complaint over the years, and as there is no development programme, the engines are not improved upon, they are just copies of the Lister originals. One regular complaint for the twins was that of crankshaft failure for example. As for genuine Lister engines, there are also quite a few of these as well, even in the USA where Lister had a manufacturing plant during WW2, and a cooperative arrangement with Nordberg. We have a few ourselves... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From tsmith at hal-pc.org Sat Feb 12 07:13:01 2005 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:13:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators References: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212075121.0e08f970@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <005001c51115$583b16a0$1886b4ce@toms> Hi Dave, How would one get in touch with Jake to obtain one of these regulators? Thanks, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Propane regulators > Hi Dallas, >>Has anyone run a engine on a "on-demand" propane regulator? I am speaking >>about oil field type engines but could be used on any other engine. > > Jake faith ran several of his engines on them last year. Worked well and > saved A LOT. They ran on about 1/8 (or less) of the propane usually > needed! Jake has an order in for 20 of the units and will be selling them > for $100.00. That will include everything that you need--ie both > regulators, the hose and the fittings etc. > >>Dave, Arnie, do you think you both will be off house arrest in time for >>our usual summer shows ? > > The ankle bands come off next month. We are ready! > > >>Dallas > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 12 07:43:10 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:43:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators In-Reply-To: <005001c51115$583b16a0$1886b4ce@toms> References: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212075121.0e08f970@mail.alltel.net> <005001c51115$583b16a0$1886b4ce@toms> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050212103603.0e053ec0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Tom, Jake will have the regulators at Coolspring this year. You can also reach him by phone at: 724.295.4643. Mornings are best since he works 2nd shift. I just talked to Jake and he is going to look into what the shipping cost (USPS) would be. Don't think it would be too much! Dave >Hi Dave, >How would one get in touch with Jake to obtain one of these regulators? >Thanks, >Tom > >>Hi Dallas, >>>Has anyone run a engine on a "on-demand" propane regulator? I am speaking >>>about oil field type engines but could be used on any other engine. >> >>Jake faith ran several of his engines on them last year. Worked well and >>saved A LOT. They ran on about 1/8 (or less) of the propane usually >>needed! Jake has an order in for 20 of the units and will be selling them >>for $100.00. That will include everything that you need--ie both >>regulators, the hose and the fittings etcDallas >> Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 12 08:42:06 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:42:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More engine colors In-Reply-To: References: <20050212041422.85266.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> <420DE30B.70604@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1108226526.420e31de76bca@webmail.city-net.com> Said with CLASSIC British understatement and a twinkle in the eye... 8-)) Quoting Prepair Ltd : > As for genuine Lister engines, there are also quite a few of these as > well, > We have a few ourselves... From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Feb 12 08:49:32 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:49:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More engine colors In-Reply-To: <420DE30B.70604@comcast.net> References: <20050212041422.85266.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> <420DE30B.70604@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8f2e07495bbd0cd4ea78f171a616c932@chartertn.net> Yeah, I've got a Listeroid, which I love. (I believe I'm the first user of the "Listeroid" word, in fact.) Guess I ought to put up a FAQ page, since I get E-mail inquiries about it on a daily basis. Mine's named "Dolly." I have a Web page with pictures and video at: http://oldengine.org/members/culp/dolly.html I haven't updated that page since mid-2000. The information that the EPA would no longer allow them to be imported was true then, but has since changed, and Mike Montieth's contact info's changed. I'll fix it one of these days. Right after I quit procrastinating, which I'm thinking about doing anytime now. John On Feb 12, 2005, at 6:05 AM, lightningrod wrote: > I'm interested in knowing about the Indian - Built "Listeroid" > .....how do you like it? Anyone else have Listeroids, or - Listers? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 12 08:59:51 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:59:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Home Workshops & Equipment In-Reply-To: <20050212162453.MEOR4519.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> References: <20050212162453.MEOR4519.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <1108227591.420e3607c2bd8@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Chuck, Welcome to the list! That "finger treadel" engine is really neat!! http://members.cox.net/cdfellows/finger2.jpg Is that one of your designs as well? PS - Good plan on the design and layout of your garage. I used to me able to get my Jeep inside. But that was probably five years ago. Keep an eye on that Herc. They tend to multiply if they're not carefully watched. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting cfellows at cox.net: > I'm 61 years old and live in a suburb of Phoenix. My house is about 5 years > old and I have a 3 car garage. The wife uses the 1 car side and I have my > shop set up on the 2 car side. I had the garage made an extra 4 feet long > and my tools are arranged around the walls so I have room to get my pickup in > the garage at night. > If you're interested, you can see some of my work at my web site: > http://members.cox.net/cdfellows From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat Feb 12 09:38:19 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:38:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> Hi Tim Allow me to enlighten you. Mike said he'd heard I was going to replace the current anthem singer. Dave said that was NOT a reason to throw away the earplugs. Rather, if I were to sing, those present at Portland who had NOT flung themselves to the ground in panic or run away, would be prostrating themselves BEGGING for the return of the present incumbent. My talents are many, but singing is not included. Dolly Tim Christoff wrote: > Lets break this down then. Mike made the comment that Helen was going to > replace the lady at Portland (whose voice will make anyone's ears hurt) > with her version of "Oh Canada" etc., hence my comment. Now what part of > "that's sure as hell NOT what the man said" have to do with my reply? > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 10/02/2005 From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Feb 12 09:48:58 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:48:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment Message-ID: <20050212.094858.1136.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hello Peter. I have a Swiss made gap lathe, 14" swing and 20" with gap out and about 5?' bed. And a Taiwan copy of a Bridgeport mill. The use varies, sometimes every day, then they may rest for a month. They are used on engine things as well as other projects. It is very satisfying to need a part to repair a latch on a microwave or similar appliance that is not available, then take a scrap of metal and machine one out that is better than the plastic original. I look as machinery as an investment, pays off every time you use it and it doesn't eat any groceries waiting for the next time to be used. Then when you no longer need it, sell for as much as you paid for it or more. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:11:48 +0000 Prepair Ltd writes: > As we seem to be a little quiet on engine-related subjects of late, a > couple of items crossed my mind while driving down to see a > machinery > dealer this morning at 7am :-(( > > 1) How many guys and gals on the list have 'machinery' at home or a > home workshop with machine tools such as a lathe etc? > > 2) How often does that machinery get used, and is it only used on > engine stuff or other hobby/home/work jobs as well? > > We have been building up a workshop facility at home for the last > couple of years, and have almost reached the overflow point for > space, > so we are refining what we have in the way of machines and looking > to > get rid of some duplicates or machines that have a function that we > can use another one for. > > Although the '7-day weekend' is not quite upon us, it makes sense to > build this up now while we have the trade contacts and income, for > it > sure as hell won't be there once we have retired! > > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK > prepair at easynet.co.uk > http://www.prepair.co.uk From ottawa at pa.net Sat Feb 12 09:50:27 2005 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:50:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about References: <200502110237.j1B2bxml066513@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><001a01c5103a$ac9d8880$0500005a@laptop> <6.1.2.0.0.20050211123736.02690c78@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <023301c5112b$567c4da0$f1f0cd97@HONDESKTOP> That is one pretty flower! Thanks for the picture! Hon ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Rotigel To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about Holy Cow Arnie--did you read the last paragraph of the Criminal Background Check? (See: page 5 at the bottom.) Dave At 12:26 PM 2/11/2005, you wrote: >ROFLMAO!!!! Errr, Dave, what would you post if you were trying to keep >your personal info private and it was "outed" to the list? Something very >much like this response I reckon. Somehow, I don't think the hounds will >be thrown off the scent though. 8-)) > >BTW, if you zoom in on this pic (the left window), I think that's behavior >you might want to schedule in the future for those times when the >satellite is NOT overhead. But that's just me... >http://www.terraserver-usa.com/addressimage.aspx?t=1&s=10&Lon=-90.52777122&Lat=41.49429396&Alon=-90.52777122&Alat=41.49429396&w=1&opt=0&addr=1821+7th+St%2c+Moline%2c+IL+61265&qs=1821+7th+St%7cMoline%7cIL > >See ya, Arnie > >On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, Dave Mayfield wrote: > > > The business I want you to find. But 90 percent of the info you found is > > incorrect, and about 5 years out of date. The only thing you found that was > > correct is one phone number, and as I said this info I want you to be able > > to find. > > > > J. Dave Mayfield > > www.w9wrl.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ottawa at pa.net Sat Feb 12 09:57:14 2005 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:57:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about Message-ID: <023e01c5112c$49a2b3c0$f1f0cd97@HONDESKTOP> Sorry about that stupid message. I didn't do it my fingers did it! I was thinking about another message & hit reply on the wrong message! Oh well it just adds more garbage to this senseless thread! Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: George/Helen Myers To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about That is one pretty flower! Thanks for the picture! Hon ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Rotigel To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about Holy Cow Arnie--did you read the last paragraph of the Criminal Background Check? (See: page 5 at the bottom.) Dave From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Feb 12 10:00:40 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:00:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> Besides, they'd have to add "God Save the Queen," "Rule Brittania," and "Hey, You, Get Off of My Cloud." John On Feb 12, 2005, at 12:38 PM, Jim French wrote: > Hi Tim > > Allow me to enlighten you. Mike said he'd heard I was going to > replace the > current anthem singer. Dave said that was NOT a reason to throw away > the > earplugs. Rather, if I were to sing, those present at Portland who > had NOT > flung themselves to the ground in panic or run away, would be > prostrating > themselves BEGGING for the return of the present incumbent. My > talents are > many, but singing is not included. > > Dolly John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat Feb 12 10:06:50 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:06:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment References: <0ovr01hvp3o87jbr30b3st2mh9o9f4sgqu@4ax.com> Message-ID: <004a01c5112d$a012bbf0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hello Peter, Since I have a "7-day weekend" I bought me several machines before I retired. You know retirement cost income so I decided it to do before the final date. I'm pretty much working in the shop mostly every day. Make alot new parts for my engines and new constructed trucks and do some work for my engine and tractor friends when they are in need for something. My wife that still works [ very easy for extra pocket money :o)) ] told me the only thing you need in the shop is a bed. Tomorrow we go to a "Black Market" to buy some tools, mostly Polish guys that "organized" factory tools and trade them there. I'm still learning machining and love it, every day is a good day. Some pictures of my shop can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/indexWSI.htm John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > 1) How many guys and gals on the list have 'machinery' at home or a > home workshop with machine tools such as a lathe etc? > > 2) How often does that machinery get used, and is it only used on > engine stuff or other hobby/home/work jobs as well? > > Although the '7-day weekend' is not quite upon us, it makes sense to > build this up now while we have the trade contacts and income, for it > sure as hell won't be there once we have retired! > Peter A Forbes > Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK > prepair at easynet.co.uk > http://www.prepair.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 12 10:10:41 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:10:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators In-Reply-To: <000f01c51104$ed786940$3e636854@Sixmjohn> References: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> <000f01c51104$ed786940$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <1108231841.420e46a1eb096@webmail.city-net.com> Hi John, When you rig one of your petrol (or parrifin) engines to use this "on demand" propane setup, how do rig it? Do you connect the propane line to the mixer where the fuel line would normally go? What sort of process do you go through in setting & experimenting with mixtures? I think this would make a great "how to" article for GEM. 8-)) I'd like to experiment a bit this summer. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting John Hammink : > Yes I run my HSCS side shaft on propane and last summer > my six horse M. They run nice and quietly on propane. > Here in Holland the most guys use a demand regulater as > shown in the picture. The Red one is for regulating the > pressure and the Blue one is the demand valve. When > starting the engine you push the little brass knob and when > the engine runs it opens automatically when the engine sucks > and closed when the inlet valve closed. Picture can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/regulater.jpg From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 10:35:51 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:35:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] More engine colors In-Reply-To: <1108226526.420e31de76bca@webmail.city-net.com> References: <20050212041422.85266.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> <420DE30B.70604@comcast.net> <1108226526.420e31de76bca@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:42:06 -0500, you wrote: >Said with CLASSIC British understatement and a twinkle in the eye... 8-)) > >Quoting Prepair Ltd : > >> As for genuine Lister engines, there are also quite a few of these as >> well, >> We have a few ourselves... Yes, we tend to be good at that don't we? :-)) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 10:40:09 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:40:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> <07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:00:40 -0500, you wrote: >Besides, they'd have to add "God Save the Queen," "Rule Brittania," and >"Hey, You, Get Off of My Cloud." > >John "Britannia", please! :-)) It's like us calling your anthem The Star Mangled Spanner" !! (There's a sci-fi story somewhere with that in) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Feb 12 10:43:16 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:43:16 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment Message-ID: <20050212.104316.1136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> NICE shop John. Nice work too. Thanks for the pictures. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 10:47:15 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:47:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators In-Reply-To: <1108231841.420e46a1eb096@webmail.city-net.com> References: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> <000f01c51104$ed786940$3e636854@Sixmjohn> <1108231841.420e46a1eb096@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:10:41 -0500, you wrote: >Hi John, > >When you rig one of your petrol (or parrifin) engines to use this "on demand" >propane setup, how do rig it? Do you connect the propane line to the mixer >where the fuel line would normally go? What sort of process do you go through >in setting & experimenting with mixtures? > >I think this would make a great "how to" article for GEM. 8-)) > >I'd like to experiment a bit this summer. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero Bit of info that you 'might' find useful: 1) When we used to install Onan AJ single-cylinder engines in the ice-cream vans over here, they used a very simple arrangement. The float bowl and needle valve were removed, and the gas pipe from the demand regulator was literally pushed over the carb body jet tube in which was located the main jet. 2) The demand regulator doesn't do anything until it sees a slight depression in the carb, so you have a start pushbutton which allows gas to flow enough to start the engine. 3) On cold days we would have a plastic bottle with petrol in, which we used to squirt a drop onto the air cleaner gauze so the engine would start without any hassle. 4) Propane/Butane is a 'dirty' gas, and a lot of crud comes across with the gas flow that deposits in the demand regulator and around the jet tube. 5) Gas is very 'dry' in engine terms, and you may find that valves need seating more often as there is no cooling effect of the fuel vaporising which you would have with liquid fuel. We used to find that a petrol engine running on petrol would have less valve maintenance than one on gas. 6) Oil contamination is much less with gas, we used to get twice the life out of oil on gas-run engines. HTH Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sat Feb 12 10:59:32 2005 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:59:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! Message-ID: <410-22005261218593262@earthlink.net> Thank you Dolly, that makes more sense. > [Original Message] > From: Jim French > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/12/2005 11:38:22 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > > Hi Tim > > Allow me to enlighten you. Mike said he'd heard I was going to replace the > current anthem singer. Dave said that was NOT a reason to throw away the > earplugs. Rather, if I were to sing, those present at Portland who had NOT > flung themselves to the ground in panic or run away, would be prostrating > themselves BEGGING for the return of the present incumbent. My talents are > many, but singing is not included. > > Dolly > > From tsmith at hal-pc.org Sat Feb 12 11:14:17 2005 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:14:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators References: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA><6.1.2.0.0.20050212075121.0e08f970@mail.alltel.net><005001c51115$583b16a0$1886b4ce@toms> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212103603.0e053ec0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <007101c51137$0cf407c0$1886b4ce@toms> Great. Thanks for the email. I'll give Jake a call and see if they are all spoken for. If not, I'll put my name in the hat for one. Have a nice weekend, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Propane regulators > Hi Tom, > Jake will have the regulators at Coolspring this year. You can > also reach him by phone at: 724.295.4643. Mornings are best since he works > 2nd shift. I just talked to Jake and he is going to look into what the > shipping cost (USPS) would be. Don't think it would be too much! > Dave > >>Hi Dave, >>How would one get in touch with Jake to obtain one of these regulators? >>Thanks, >>Tom >> >>>Hi Dallas, >>>>Has anyone run a engine on a "on-demand" propane regulator? I am >>>>speaking >>>>about oil field type engines but could be used on any other engine. >>> >>>Jake faith ran several of his engines on them last year. Worked well and >>>saved A LOT. They ran on about 1/8 (or less) of the propane usually >>>needed! Jake has an order in for 20 of the units and will be selling them >>>for $100.00. That will include everything that you need--ie both >>>regulators, the hose and the fittings etcDallas >>> Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sat Feb 12 11:15:27 2005 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:15:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment Message-ID: <410-220052612191527875@earthlink.net> About 6 months before we adopted Nikolai and Yuriy I built a nice 3000 ft. 2 story workshop with 600 ft being devoted for the machine shop. I have 3 mills and 3 lathes all from small to very large to handle anything I could ever need to make. Since I installed an HVAC system I have been able to work in there all winter in the evenings when I get a chance, that is, when I am not parenting and the wife seems to let me know when I am supposed to be doing that. > [Original Message] > From: Prepair Ltd > To: > Cc: > Date: 2/12/2005 7:05:57 AM > Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment > > As we seem to be a little quiet on engine-related subjects of late, a > couple of items crossed my mind while driving down to see a machinery > dealer this morning at 7am :-(( > > 1) How many guys and gals on the list have 'machinery' at home or a > home workshop with machine tools such as a lathe etc? > > 2) How often does that machinery get used, and is it only used on > engine stuff or other hobby/home/work jobs as well? > > We have been building up a workshop facility at home for the last > couple of years, and have almost reached the overflow point for space, > so we are refining what we have in the way of machines and looking to > get rid of some duplicates or machines that have a function that we > can use another one for. > > Although the '7-day weekend' is not quite upon us, it makes sense to > build this up now while we have the trade contacts and income, for it > sure as hell won't be there once we have retired! > > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK > prepair at easynet.co.uk > http://www.prepair.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 12 11:28:07 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:28:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> <07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <1108236487.420e58c7dd9bc@webmail.city-net.com> Good memory Peter. http://www.badpuns.com/jokes.php?section=shaggy&name=mangled See ya, Arnie PS - Science Fiction, please. 8-)) Quoting Peter A Forbes : > "Britannia", please! :-)) > It's like us calling your anthem The Star Mangled Spanner" !! > (There's a sci-fi story somewhere with that in) From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 11:36:53 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:36:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <1108236487.420e58c7dd9bc@webmail.city-net.com> References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> <07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> <1108236487.420e58c7dd9bc@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:28:07 -0500, you wrote: >Good memory Peter. >http://www.badpuns.com/jokes.php?section=shaggy&name=mangled > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - Science Fiction, please. 8-)) Sorry, Guv.... Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From dcox at triad.rr.com Sat Feb 12 11:39:30 2005 From: dcox at triad.rr.com (Dallas Cox) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:39:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators References: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> <000f01c51104$ed786940$3e636854@Sixmjohn> <1108231841.420e46a1eb096@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <007601c5113a$92180430$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Thanks Dave, John and others for the reply on the regulators. I, like Arnie, will give it a try this summer. I will rig mine with and without a surge tank to see how it works. Dallas > > I'd like to experiment a bit this summer. From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Feb 12 11:51:58 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:51:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> <07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> Message-ID: > It's like us calling your anthem The Star Mangled Spanner" !! Might as well, it gets mangled plenty. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 11:55:49 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:55:49 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Slightly OT: Indian Copies/Clones Message-ID: <25ns01lv7oqrhdrhq3c448tojr7sah761b@4ax.com> Most engine guys are aware of the Lister and Petter engine copies that are made in India and sold by various vendors. I noticed one on ebay the other day, that said "Ready for Biodiesel" or something along those lines, which is a triumph of optimism over engineering! Anyway, apart from the somewhat dubious quality of the manufacturing process, these seem to bring a lot of pleasure to the owners and hopefully a lot of profit for the vendors. Lister and Petter never seemed to worry too much about these copies as they were onto more 'modern' engine designs and they didn't see these small-scale copies as a problem. More recently, a more worrying trend has emerged in the antiques and collectibles market, that of copies of old instruments such as sextants, compasses and similar items. On any given day on ebay you can find "Kelvin & Hughes" sextants, all in a nice mahogany box and with suitably dark or blurred pictures so you cannot see that they are virtually brand new items. Until you see that the vendor has half a dozen for sale, all of the same item with the same picture, and a scan of their ebay feedback ratings often finds negative feedback from buyers who have (somewhat stupidly in my view) expected an old and valuable instrument, only to find a cheaply made copy. I don't collect such items personally, but it may be worth a gentle warning for anyone contemplating 'anything' in that line, to be very watchful and if necessary ask the vendor if it is a new reproduction or an original item. False or misleading descriptions are NOT allowed on ebay. Peter The hijacking of established names such as Kelvin & Hughes and other companies is pretty rife these days -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Feb 12 00:18:52 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:18:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000301c5113d$c19b8800$350d1bd3@reg> Hey Tim, That woman holds the world record for the most horrendous voice!! She HAS to perform each year!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > Lets break this down then. Mike made the comment that Helen was going to > replace the lady at Portland (whose voice will make anyone's ears hurt) > with her version of "Oh Canada" etc., hence my comment. Now what part of > "that's sure as hell NOT what the man said" have to do with my reply? > > Tim > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Dave Rotigel > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: 2/11/2005 9:57:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > > > > Fother Mucker that's sure as hell NOT what the man said! > > Dave > > >You mean I won't have to put ear plugs in this year? > > > > > >TIm Christoff > > >Basehor KS. > > >tchristoff at earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > From: Mike Royster > > > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > > > Date: 2/11/2005 6:10:04 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > > > > > > > > Rumor has it that Helen has taking up a new singing career. She > intends > > >to > > > > replace the lady at Portland with her new versions of "Oh Canada" > etc. We > > > > can hardly wait............... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 11:59:32 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:59:32 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Ebay Shill Bidding Message-ID: <3rns011o8i5qigtee7uh039h4v3u8d218d@4ax.com> Just a repeat warning that there are many out there who are bidding on their own stuff on ebay to raise the price artificially. What is good for the ATIS Charity Auction is not so good for ye and me. Watch out for newbie bidders, or bidders who have been registered for a year or so and NEVER won a feedback point... Or, feedback imbalance between buyers and sellers, ie: where the seller has given feedback but the buyer hasn't. We had another guy canned last week for shill bidding, and we take GREAT pleasure in shopping them!! Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 12:00:28 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:00:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> <07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:51:58 -0500, you wrote: >> It's like us calling your anthem The Star Mangled Spanner" !! > >Might as well, it gets mangled plenty. > >John Culp Cheer up, soon be Portland time!! :-)) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 12:05:45 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:05:45 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <000301c5113d$c19b8800$350d1bd3@reg> References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <000301c5113d$c19b8800$350d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:18:52 +1100, you wrote: >Hey Tim, That woman holds the world record for the most horrendous voice!! >She HAS to perform each year!!! >Reg & Marg Ingold. She was certainly in good form in 2003! We missed her last year by arriving slightly later.... Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sat Feb 12 12:27:27 2005 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:27:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! Message-ID: <410-220052612202727703@earthlink.net> maybe we should send her overseas to join in with the war effort. Her voice could bring the enemy to their knees and they would surrender. > [Original Message] > From: Reg Ingold > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/13/2005 11:59:04 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > > Hey Tim, That woman holds the world record for the most horrendous voice!! > She HAS to perform each year!!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat Feb 12 12:33:37 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:33:37 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators References: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA><000f01c51104$ed786940$3e636854@Sixmjohn> <1108231841.420e46a1eb096@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <008601c51142$2190f930$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Arnie, > Do you connect the propane line to the mixer > where the fuel line would normally go? For the HSCS engine, I connect the propane line to the mixer without the float. Took the fuel nozzle away and replaced it with a brass tube with a 3/16" hole just in the middle of the venturi. The six M got just the hose in his throat and runs like a clock with closed air damper. ( one of these days I will make a special secret connection for it). For fine adjusting it needs a sorta of aircock to give more or less air. >What sort of process do you go through > in setting & experimenting with mixtures? My experience is, close the air almost and start the engine, when it runs lower the propane flow and the engine will slow down. Close the air more and watch what will happen. Experimenting with both a little more or less will result in the best setting at the lowest rpm. The better your air and propane control the easier it is. John H. PS. Better don't smoke when experimenting, had once a moustache...... > I'd like to experiment a bit this summer. > > See ya, Arnie From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 12 12:38:11 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:38:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> <07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> >Cheer up, soon be Portland time!! :-)) > >Peter Only 192 days, 7 hours, 22 minutes and 51 seconds. Don't be late! Dave From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 12:57:40 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:57:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> <07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <8drs01ptsdrj6dp84129335ks3g4fmfbg6@4ax.com> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:38:11 -0500, you wrote: > >>Cheer up, soon be Portland time!! :-)) >> >>Peter > >Only 192 days, 7 hours, 22 minutes and 51 seconds. Don't be late! > Dave > Dave: Have you started the bookings list for the Back 40 Junction dinner yet??? Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 12 13:13:07 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:13:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <8drs01ptsdrj6dp84129335ks3g4fmfbg6@4ax.com> References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> <07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> <8drs01ptsdrj6dp84129335ks3g4fmfbg6@4ax.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050212160556.0e15de48@mail.alltel.net> >Dave: > >Have you started the bookings list for the Back 40 Junction dinner yet??? > >Peter Hi Peter, I will make the announcement when I get back from the engine show in Zolfo Springs FL. That should be about the second week of March. Dave PS, Don't be late this tear! PPS, Will you be bringing the young lady that you have been sleeping with again this year? From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 13:26:42 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:26:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050212160556.0e15de48@mail.alltel.net> References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> <07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> <8drs01ptsdrj6dp84129335ks3g4fmfbg6@4ax.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212160556.0e15de48@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <93ts01d3rquiafoqkcs9k31f3k5din5179@4ax.com> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:13:07 -0500, you wrote: > >>Dave: >> >>Have you started the bookings list for the Back 40 Junction dinner yet??? >> >>Peter > >Hi Peter, > I will make the announcement when I get back from the engine show >in Zolfo Springs FL. That should be about the second week of March. > Dave >PS, Don't be late this tear! Or even this year? :-)) I wasn't late last year! >PPS, Will you be bringing the young lady that you have been sleeping with >again this year? Which one ?? :-)))) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 12 14:22:50 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:22:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Slightly OT: Indian Copies/Clones References: <25ns01lv7oqrhdrhq3c448tojr7sah761b@4ax.com> Message-ID: <001301c51151$63972480$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > I noticed one on ebay the other day, that said "Ready for Biodiesel" or > something along those lines, which is a triumph of optimism over engineering! Why do you say that ? in reference to the Indian Listers in particular ? I gota friend who makes his own and runs it in his oil recovery truck 2 1/2 ton 7.3L Navi- he cuts diesel with the reclaimed cooking oil he processes . You have to call it an additive anyway for excise tax porpoises .Smells like suppers burning . From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 12 15:35:08 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:35:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <000301c5113d$c19b8800$350d1bd3@reg> References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <000301c5113d$c19b8800$350d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: <1108251308.420e92ac92a95@webmail.city-net.com> For those of you who have not had the pleasure of Miss Beverley's renditions, Dolly has captured it here... http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland03/show.htm Some have said that Dolly's real reason wasn't sharing, but rather giving herself an opportunity to perfect her technique. I guess we'll just have to wait till this summer when Dolly sings to know for sure. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Reg Ingold : > Hey Tim, That woman holds the world record for the most horrendous voice!! > She HAS to perform each year!!! From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 12 15:44:23 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:44:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators In-Reply-To: <008601c51142$2190f930$3e636854@Sixmjohn> References: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA><000f01c51104$ed786940$3e636854@Sixmjohn> <1108231841.420e46a1eb096@webmail.city-net.com> <008601c51142$2190f930$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <1108251863.420e94d7e8e9b@webmail.city-net.com> Thanks John. I also appreciate the advice (being fully furred as I am). When we were working on my Bessemer half-breed at Coolspring last year we had some very impressive flames going from time to time. And not just at the hot tube burner!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie > PS. Better don't smoke when experimenting, had once > a moustache...... From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sat Feb 12 15:59:31 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:59:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment In-Reply-To: <004a01c5112d$a012bbf0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Hi all, I've always had a good shop full of mechanics tools and a fair woodworking shop, but when I got into rusty iron I started working on a machine shop to play with. Several years ago I picked up an old Southbend lathe cheep at the Florida flywheelers swapmeet. Then I discovered it's the accessories that get ya! Of course I had to have tools, bits, mics, quick change tool holders,chucks,boring bars, tool grinders, diamond wheels, and the list goes on. Just recently I found a deal on a milling machine and guess what, Its the same darned thing. Now I need more cutters, and tools, and and every kind of holding device you can think of, Then you can add power feeds and on and on until happiness really sets in. BUT, I'm having fun in the warm shop when its 3 degrees outside and the wind is howling. and its two months till the show season starts. BTW after John Hammick's pictures of his nice clean shop .... ain't no way I'm gonna show pictures of my shop. See everyone at Portland, Steve Royster From FRM8198 at aol.com Sat Feb 12 16:39:08 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:39:08 EST Subject: [SEL] New Iron Find Message-ID: <8a.2080e8df.2f3ffbac@aol.com> While at the Ag Expo in Tulare, I met a friend who told me that he knew where I could get a couple of engines. Of course, I had to go see them. One is a Fairbanks Morse Type Z, Style C, 2? HP. The other is also a Fairbanks Morse. This latter one came from the Taft oil fields several years ago. From looking at Wendel's, this engine appears to be a Type ZC which has an enclosed crankcase and a place to install a radiator and fan (these items are missing). I would estimate the HP to be in the 7 - 10 HP range. This engine also has a clutch vee belt four sheaves pulley. On the inside of the left flywheel (looking forward from the rear) there is a vee belt pulley. I think is the pulley that was used to turn the fan. The carburetor is missing but, the seller tells me that LPG carburetor is available with purchase of the engine. Both engines are free and the mags are on the engines. The question is how desirable is the Model ZC? Remember I have to have a good reason to convince the wife. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 12 17:26:16 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:26:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Iron Find In-Reply-To: <8a.2080e8df.2f3ffbac@aol.com> References: <8a.2080e8df.2f3ffbac@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050212201951.0e093090@mail.alltel.net> Hi Francis, My Club uses a ZC to pull our 1905 apple cider press. We press about 6,000 gal of cider each fall. The engine has always performed well and needs little (or no) attention. Having said that I consider the ZC to be a "utility" engine and not a show engine. As a show piece I consider it to be in the class with MAYTAGS! It's your nickel, but if it were me I'd say "Thanks, but no thanks!" Dave PS, Thank goD we don't all like the same thing! At 07:39 PM 2/12/2005, you wrote: >While at the Ag Expo in Tulare, I met a friend who told me that he knew >where I could get a couple of engines. Of course, I had to go >see them. One is >a Fairbanks Morse Type Z, Style C, 2? HP. The other is also a Fairbanks >Morse. This latter one came from the Taft oil fields several years >ago. From >looking at Wendel's, this engine appears to be a Type ZC which has an >enclosed >crankcase and a place to install a radiator and fan (these items are >missing). I would estimate the HP to be in the 7 - 10 HP range. This >engine also >has a clutch vee belt four sheaves pulley. On the inside of the left >flywheel >(looking forward from the rear) there is a vee belt pulley. I think is the >pulley that was used to turn the fan. The carburetor is missing but, the >seller tells me that LPG carburetor is available with purchase of the >engine. >Both engines are free and the mags are on the engines. >The question is how desirable is the Model ZC? Remember I have to have a >good reason to convince the wife. > >Francis Maciel >Santa Maria, CA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Feb 12 17:59:06 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:59:06 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New Iron Find In-Reply-To: <8a.2080e8df.2f3ffbac@aol.com> Message-ID: <200502130159.j1D1xEdm032541@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Francis, It's not begging and groveling worthy. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato,Ca. Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of FRM8198 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 4:39 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] New Iron Find While at the Ag Expo in Tulare, I met a friend who told me that he knew where I could get a couple of engines. Of course, I had to go see them. One is a Fairbanks Morse Type Z, Style C, 2? HP. The other is also a Fairbanks Morse. This latter one came from the Taft oil fields several years ago. >From looking at Wendel's, this engine appears to be a Type ZC which has an enclosed crankcase and a place to install a radiator and fan (these items are missing). I would estimate the HP to be in the 7 - 10 HP range. This engine also has a clutch vee belt four sheaves pulley. On the inside of the left flywheel (looking forward from the rear) there is a vee belt pulley. I think is the pulley that was used to turn the fan. The carburetor is missing but, the seller tells me that LPG carburetor is available with purchase of the engine. Both engines are free and the mags are on the engines. The question is how desirable is the Model ZC? Remember I have to have a good reason to convince the wife. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Sat Feb 12 18:56:38 2005 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:56:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators Message-ID: <000e01c51177$a6ad8fe0$40690b42@computer> Arnie, How is the Bessemer progressing? George -----Original Message----- From: fero_ah at city-net.com To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Saturday, February 12, 2005 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Propane regulators >Thanks John. > >I also appreciate the advice (being fully furred as I am). When we were working >on my Bessemer half-breed at Coolspring last year we had some very impressive >flames going from time to time. And not just at the hot tube burner!! 8-)) > >See ya, Arnie > >> PS. Better don't smoke when experimenting, had once >> a moustache...... > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Feb 12 19:50:00 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:50:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Hot Air Enthusiasts! Message-ID: <200502130350.j1D3o4cL011842@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> This is a reminder to ALL HOT AIR ENGINE ENTHUSIASTS. If you're not already aware, March 19-20 will be the Second Southwest Regional Hot Air Meet, in conjunction with the Arizona Flywheelers Show in Cottonwood, Arizona. This will most likely be the largest collection of hot air engines ever assembled. Buster Brown and Lowell Wagner, the two gentlemen behind the hot air aspect of the show, are trying to personally contact EVERY hot air collector. Surely there will be some who are unknown to them, or for whom they do not have addresses or phone numbers. They don't want anyone to be overlooked. It would be a shame to find out a week after the show is over, so I've agreed to send this to the mailing list's to which I belong. If you are a collector or know of someone who should be aware of this show, take a look at these web pages: Hot Air Meet: http://www.hotairengines.com/Upcoming/Cottonwood.htm Arizona Flyweelers: http://www.arizonaflywheelers.com/show05.htm If you have any questions, Buster's and Lowell's email addresses are on the web pages. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Feb 12 20:01:49 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:01:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Iron Find In-Reply-To: <8a.2080e8df.2f3ffbac@aol.com> References: <8a.2080e8df.2f3ffbac@aol.com> Message-ID: <818edb9274c7b0dabc00ff58a05480c9@chartertn.net> That little ZC's pretty desirable to me. Got one out in the yard now, my first "flywheel" engine. Got it in 1972 from an oilfield equipment place in Carmi, Illinois. The 52 cubic inch model, probably about 3 HP. John On Feb 12, 2005, at 7:39 PM, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > While at the Ag Expo in Tulare, I met a friend who told me that he > knew > where I could get a couple of engines. Of course, I had to go see > them. One is > a Fairbanks Morse Type Z, Style C, 2? HP. The other is also a > Fairbanks > Morse. This latter one came from the Taft oil fields several years > ago. From > looking at Wendel's, this engine appears to be a Type ZC which has an > enclosed > crankcase and a place to install a radiator and fan (these items are > missing). I would estimate the HP to be in the 7 - 10 HP range. > This engine also > has a clutch vee belt four sheaves pulley. On the inside of the left > flywheel > (looking forward from the rear) there is a vee belt pulley. I think > is the > pulley that was used to turn the fan. The carburetor is missing but, > the > seller tells me that LPG carburetor is available with purchase of the > engine. > Both engines are free and the mags are on the engines. > The question is how desirable is the Model ZC? Remember I have to > have a > good reason to convince the wife. > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Feb 12 20:21:48 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:21:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hot Air Enthusiasts! In-Reply-To: <200502130350.j1D3o4cL011842@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502130350.j1D3o4cL011842@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: > Buster Brown and Lowell Wagner, the two gentlemen behind the hot air > aspect of > the show, are trying to personally contact EVERY hot air collector. I'm a hot air emitter. Does that count? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rwenig at telus.net Sat Feb 12 20:51:27 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:51:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New Iron Find In-Reply-To: <818edb9274c7b0dabc00ff58a05480c9@chartertn.net> References: <8a.2080e8df.2f3ffbac@aol.com> <818edb9274c7b0dabc00ff58a05480c9@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <420EDCCF.9010109@telus.net> Hello John, Francis, Do one of you have a picture of the Fairbanks Morse Type Z, Style C, 2? HP you could post somewhere or send me? Thanks in advance. Rupert John Culp wrote: > That little ZC's pretty desirable to me. Got one out in the yard now, my > first "flywheel" engine. Got it in 1972 from an oilfield equipment place > in Carmi, Illinois. The 52 cubic inch model, probably about 3 HP. > > John > > On Feb 12, 2005, at 7:39 PM, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > >> While at the Ag Expo in Tulare, I met a friend who told me that he knew >> where I could get a couple of engines. Of course, I had to go see >> them. One is >> a Fairbanks Morse Type Z, Style C, 2? HP. The other is also a Fairbanks >> Morse. This latter one came from the Taft oil fields several years >> ago. From >> looking at Wendel's, this engine appears to be a Type ZC which has an >> enclosed >> crankcase and a place to install a radiator and fan (these items are >> missing). I would estimate the HP to be in the 7 - 10 HP range. >> This engine also >> has a clutch vee belt four sheaves pulley. On the inside of the left >> flywheel >> (looking forward from the rear) there is a vee belt pulley. I think >> is the >> pulley that was used to turn the fan. The carburetor is missing but, >> the >> seller tells me that LPG carburetor is available with purchase of the >> engine. >> Both engines are free and the mags are on the engines. >> The question is how desirable is the Model ZC? Remember I have to >> have a >> good reason to convince the wife. >> >> Francis Maciel >> Santa Maria, CA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From firepoliceco20 at hotmail.com Sat Feb 12 21:32:19 2005 From: firepoliceco20 at hotmail.com (benmoyer moyer) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:32:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How big an engine ? In-Reply-To: <000701c510a1$65a88850$7d86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: >From: "Rex Hinz" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] How big an engine ? >Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:22:58 -0600 > > Hi list; > > I was asked today from fellow workers how big a hit miss engine it >would take to power a threshing machine , I couldn't give them nothing but >a guess , my guess was around 7 Hp , was I any where close ? can anyone on >list say " been there done that ! " lets hear some guesses > > Rex Hinz I have afriend who has a McCormick thersher and at shows we run it with a Mckormick-Deering 10-20 and it keeps it busy so i would not recomend going with a 7hp hit and miss > > if you can't get your beer can open you proabbly don't need any more > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Feb 12 12:52:44 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:52:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] More Engine Colours References: <20050212090554.88024.qmail@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010d01c5119d$0a91eb80$350d1bd3@reg> The Atkinson in the Smithsonian is a deep red color. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Everett" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] More Engine Colours > Hi All > > Anyone any ideas on colours for early Gardner gas engines and Atkinson Cycle engines? From guitronics at comcast.net Sun Feb 13 02:15:19 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:15:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More engine colors In-Reply-To: <8f2e07495bbd0cd4ea78f171a616c932@chartertn.net> References: <20050212041422.85266.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> <420DE30B.70604@comcast.net> <8f2e07495bbd0cd4ea78f171a616c932@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <420F28B7.2050805@comcast.net> Michael P. Koryciak Wrote: Thank you very much, John.....I'm gonna get some of these slow speed, Big flywheel engines.I'm in the learning phase,will start to buy in a few months. John Culp wrote: > Yeah, I've got a Listeroid, which I love. (I believe I'm the first > user of the "Listeroid" word, in fact.) Guess I ought to put up a FAQ > page, since I get E-mail inquiries about it on a daily basis. Mine's > named "Dolly." I have a Web page with pictures and video at: > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/dolly.html > I haven't updated that page since mid-2000. The information that the > EPA would no longer allow them to be imported was true then, but has > since changed, and Mike Montieth's contact info's changed. I'll fix it > one of these days. Right after I quit procrastinating, which I'm > thinking about doing anytime now. > > John > > On Feb 12, 2005, at 6:05 AM, lightningrod wrote: > >> I'm interested in knowing about the Indian - Built "Listeroid" >> .....how do you like it? Anyone else have Listeroids, or - Listers? > > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sun Feb 13 06:30:39 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:30:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators References: <000e01c51177$a6ad8fe0$40690b42@computer> Message-ID: <420F648F.C8989843@insulate.co.uk> Hi George That was a bit below the belt ;-) Dolly George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > Arnie, > How is the Bessemer progressing? George -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 10/02/2005 From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Feb 13 07:10:03 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:10:03 EST Subject: [SEL] Another Economy question Message-ID: In a message dated 2/11/2005 6:05:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: << Also what does the gas tank fill look like for a 1917 engine? >> Ron, It is a big rectangular tank that fits under the base. John Wanat can make one for you. I found someone on the internet that had repro filler spouts for sale the other year. He had an engine website that I just happened to come across. I will have to look and see if I can find who it was. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Feb 13 07:50:02 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:50:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Belt driven pump Message-ID: Howdy all; Well in my qwest for "owning it all," yesterday Kathy and I drove up north to look at what the owner said was a water pump with belt pulley. Of course I thot Pump and Jack, but after 100 miles behind us I was looking at a HUGE domestic centrifugal ??? ( Looks like a forge blower) water pump over two feet tall and it did have a nice belt pulley that I'd guess at 10". He said it was used to flood irrigate his crops in the ole days and was belted up to the old Case. Well he never mentioned on the phone that it was still connected at the flanges which I'd guess were 4" pipes. So I paid the guy the resonable asking price and headed home. Return trip with tools scheduled soon. Nice road trip but woke up this morning thinking: "What the hell am I going to do with this?" Any suggestions?? I would swag this as HVLP. TIA RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 13 08:31:42 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:31:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Belt driven pump In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050213163142.41525.qmail@web14126.mail.yahoo.com> Rick, Hook the damn thing up to boulder dam. No charge for this idea. Ron Richard Strobel wrote: Howdy all; Well in my qwest for "owning it all," yesterday Kathy and I drove up north to look at what the owner said was a water pump with belt pulley. Of course I thot Pump and Jack, but after 100 miles behind us I was looking at a HUGE domestic centrifugal ??? ( Looks like a forge blower) water pump over two feet tall and it did have a nice belt pulley that I'd guess at 10". He said it was used to flood irrigate his crops in the ole days and was belted up to the old Case. Well he never mentioned on the phone that it was still connected at the flanges which I'd guess were 4" pipes. So I paid the guy the resonable asking price and headed home. Return trip with tools scheduled soon. Nice road trip but woke up this morning thinking: "What the hell am I going to do with this?" Any suggestions?? I would swag this as HVLP. TIA RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Feb 13 09:28:39 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:28:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Iron Find In-Reply-To: <420EDCCF.9010109@telus.net> References: <8a.2080e8df.2f3ffbac@aol.com> <818edb9274c7b0dabc00ff58a05480c9@chartertn.net> <420EDCCF.9010109@telus.net> Message-ID: I probably have one somewhere online. I'll have to hunt for it. They weren't referred to by horsepower, but by displacement. Mine's a 52 cubic inch, the smallest ZC. They didn't refer to "Z, Type C" or "ZC" anywhere on the engine, either. It's just a Fairbanks-Morse Type Z (great big capital Z), 52 cubic inches, 800 RPM. It has a cast ratchet for a speed adjustment lever on the crankcase cover, but none was installed on mine, which was an oilfield engine with the steam condenser and cooling fan over the hopper, and ran on gas from the well with a valve screwed directly into the end of the carburetor under the choke plate. Mine's converted back to being a gasoline/kerosene engine with a starting fuel bowl and jet and a main running jet with a fuel tank under the base. John On Feb 12, 2005, at 11:51 PM, Rupert Wenig wrote: > Hello John, Francis, > Do one of you have a picture of the Fairbanks Morse Type Z, Style C, > 2? HP you could post somewhere or send me? Thanks in advance. > > Rupert John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Feb 13 09:31:41 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:31:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt driven pump In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87d13f9d4269d141d27b2a1ad9d57f24@chartertn.net> > Nice road trip but woke up this morning thinking: "What the hell am I > going to do with this?" > > Any suggestions?? I would swag this as HVLP. Giant whirlpool bath. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rwenig at telus.net Sun Feb 13 09:46:51 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:46:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New Iron Find In-Reply-To: References: <8a.2080e8df.2f3ffbac@aol.com> <818edb9274c7b0dabc00ff58a05480c9@chartertn.net> <420EDCCF.9010109@telus.net> Message-ID: <420F928B.4020004@telus.net> Thanks John. Francis sent a picture of a 7hp. My curiosity was stemmed by the fact I have a 1 1/2 HP Z with spoke flywheels. My memory might be failing but I don't recall seeing a picture of one anywhere. Serial # stamped into the engine I have is C26522. I can see similarities but the engines are different. Rupert John Culp wrote: > I probably have one somewhere online. I'll have to hunt for it. > > They weren't referred to by horsepower, but by displacement. Mine's a 52 > cubic inch, the smallest ZC. They didn't refer to "Z, Type C" or "ZC" > anywhere on the engine, either. It's just a Fairbanks-Morse Type Z > (great big capital Z), 52 cubic inches, 800 RPM. It has a cast ratchet > for a speed adjustment lever on the crankcase cover, but none was > installed on mine, which was an oilfield engine with the steam condenser > and cooling fan over the hopper, and ran on gas from the well with a > valve screwed directly into the end of the carburetor under the choke > plate. Mine's converted back to being a gasoline/kerosene engine with a > starting fuel bowl and jet and a main running jet with a fuel tank under > the base. > > John > > On Feb 12, 2005, at 11:51 PM, Rupert Wenig wrote: > >> Hello John, Francis, >> Do one of you have a picture of the Fairbanks Morse Type Z, Style >> C, 2? HP you could post somewhere or send me? Thanks in advance. >> >> Rupert > > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Feb 13 10:00:11 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:00:11 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Another Economy question Message-ID: <20050213.100011.1132.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Tom. I don't need the tank, just the correct filler end. Let me know if you find the vendor. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > Ron, > > It is a big rectangular tank that fits under the base. John Wanat > can make > one for you. I found someone on the internet that had repro filler > spouts for > sale the other year. He had an engine website that I just happened > to come > across. I will have to look and see if I can find who it was. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Feb 13 10:22:10 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:22:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Iron Find In-Reply-To: <420F928B.4020004@telus.net> References: <8a.2080e8df.2f3ffbac@aol.com> <818edb9274c7b0dabc00ff58a05480c9@chartertn.net> <420EDCCF.9010109@telus.net> <420F928B.4020004@telus.net> Message-ID: Yeah, they're different layouts with a lot of common parts carried over. The 7 HP wasn't sold as a 7 HP, either. The whole series was named by displacement, and they had different horsepower ratings according to configuration, fuel, speed... I think he's probably talking about a 208 c.i.d. ZC. They seem to be the most common ones. John On Feb 13, 2005, at 12:46 PM, Rupert Wenig wrote: > Thanks John. Francis sent a picture of a 7hp. My curiosity was stemmed > by the fact I have a 1 1/2 HP Z with spoke flywheels. My memory might > be failing but I don't recall seeing a picture of one anywhere. Serial > # stamped into the engine I have is C26522. I can see similarities but > the engines are different. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rexhinz at chorus.net Sun Feb 13 11:30:58 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:30:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt driven pump References: <87d13f9d4269d141d27b2a1ad9d57f24@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <000901c51202$8c3d2860$4886a5d8@ibm> John Maybe ypu could set up a portable water slide to take to shows Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt driven pump > > Nice road trip but woke up this morning thinking: "What the hell am I > > going to do with this?" > > > > Any suggestions?? I would swag this as HVLP. > > Giant whirlpool bath. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Feb 13 11:38:11 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:38:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators & Bessemer Status In-Reply-To: <000e01c51177$a6ad8fe0$40690b42@computer> References: <000e01c51177$a6ad8fe0$40690b42@computer> Message-ID: <1108323491.420faca38d019@webmail.city-net.com> Hi George, I had taken the Bessemer half-breed to Coolspring for the June show which featured half-breeds. I wasn't real hopeful as work on it at home had indicated that the compression was probably just too low to run. We all experimented with it at Coolspring and the consensus was cylinder bore, possibly spray the piston, and new rings. So the piston and cylinder went home with Craig Prucha and took their place in line in his shop. The good news is as soon as the project that's on the machines now is finished, the Bessemer cylinder is next up. Watch this space for work in progress... http://www.antique-engine.com/shopwork/shopwork33.htm See ya, Arnie Quoting George & Norma Armstrong : > How is the Bessemer progressing? George From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Feb 13 00:49:21 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:49:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net><420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk><07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000801c51205$82018000$3c0d1bd3@reg> Sod off! I can't make it! (Sob) Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > > >Cheer up, soon be Portland time!! :-)) > > > >Peter > > Only 192 days, 7 hours, 22 minutes and 51 seconds. Don't be late! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Feb 13 00:54:01 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:54:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment References: Message-ID: <000901c51205$82da2cc0$3c0d1bd3@reg> Hey, I SEEN it!!! It aint too bad!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: BTW after John > Hammick's pictures of his nice clean shop .... ain't no way I'm gonna show > pictures of my shop. See everyone at Portland, Steve Royster From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Feb 13 00:57:28 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:57:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Hot Air Enthusiasts! References: <200502130350.j1D3o4cL011842@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000a01c51205$83d5f1e0$3c0d1bd3@reg> Which end? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hot Air Enthusiasts! > > Buster Brown and Lowell Wagner, the two gentlemen behind the hot air > > aspect of > > the show, are trying to personally contact EVERY hot air collector. > > I'm a hot air emitter. Does that count? > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA From don.h at wcoil.com Sun Feb 13 11:49:39 2005 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:49:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt driven pump References: <87d13f9d4269d141d27b2a1ad9d57f24@chartertn.net> <000901c51202$8c3d2860$4886a5d8@ibm> Message-ID: <001101c51205$27734790$6401a8c0@shop> Hey john I bet it would mix some home made drinkable stuff or maybe mix up a big batch of bio fuel Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt driven pump > John > > Maybe ypu could set up a portable water slide to take to shows > > Rex > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Culp" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 12:31 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt driven pump > > >> > Nice road trip but woke up this morning thinking: "What the hell am I >> > going to do with this?" >> > >> > Any suggestions?? I would swag this as HVLP. >> >> Giant whirlpool bath. >> >> John Culp >> Bristol, Tennessee, USA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 13 11:49:59 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:49:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Another Economy question In-Reply-To: <20050213.100011.1132.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <20050213194959.64132.qmail@web61304.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Ron, Hit-n-Miss sells the flip top fillers, but if you find a source for the swing top ones please let me know. Ed also offers just the lid for the swing top ones. I bought the flip top filler and a swing top lid for my 1-1/2HP 1916 Hercules E. I am gonna try making a swing type filler from the parts. It will take cutting the filler apart and turning the spout then welding it together. A bit of grinding and maybe some filling on the stub where the lid attaches and it should turn out right. I would MUCH rather just buy the right one though,,,,, If I have to make one I will be looking for one the draw out at shows this year. Alan Bowen --- rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Thanks Tom. > I don't need the tank, just the correct filler end. Let me know if you > find the vendor. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > > Ron, > > > > It is a big rectangular tank that fits under the base. John Wanat > > can make > > one for you. I found someone on the internet that had repro filler > > spouts for > > sale the other year. He had an engine website that I just happened > > to come > > across. I will have to look and see if I can find who it was. > > > > Tom Schmutz > > Concord, Va. USA > > Germoamer at aol.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Feb 13 11:58:23 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:58:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment In-Reply-To: <000901c51205$82da2cc0$3c0d1bd3@reg> References: <000901c51205$82da2cc0$3c0d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:54:01 +1100, you wrote: >Hey, I SEEN it!!! It aint too bad!! >Reg & Marg Ingold. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steve Royster" >To: > BTW after John >> Hammick's pictures of his nice clean shop .... ain't no way I'm gonna show >> pictures of my shop. See everyone at Portland, Steve Royster Perhaps I shouldn't say anything about ours then.... :-)) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Feb 13 12:15:06 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:15:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <000801c51205$82018000$3c0d1bd3@reg> References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net><420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk><07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> <000801c51205$82018000$3c0d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:49:21 +1100, you wrote: >Sod off! I can't make it! (Sob) >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dave Rotigel" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 7:38 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > > >> >> >Cheer up, soon be Portland time!! :-)) >> > >> >Peter >> >> Only 192 days, 7 hours, 22 minutes and 51 seconds. Don't be late! >> Dave That's TWO years you'll have missed!! the ladies will be looking elsewhere if you don't turn up.... Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Feb 13 12:18:58 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:18:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hot Air Enthusiasts! In-Reply-To: <000a01c51205$83d5f1e0$3c0d1bd3@reg> References: <200502130350.j1D3o4cL011842@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <000a01c51205$83d5f1e0$3c0d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: Pull my finger, Reg. John On Feb 13, 2005, at 3:57 AM, Reg Ingold wrote: > Which end? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Feb 13 13:15:58 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:15:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net><420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk><07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> <000801c51205$82018000$3c0d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: <22aabb9a2511170d4dbdb5d950c0ad09@chartertn.net> > That's TWO years you'll have missed!! the ladies will be looking > elsewhere if > you don't turn up.... On a musical board I frequent, there's a discussion today that turned to how ladies melt over men with Aussie accents. Don't disappoint them, Reg. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Feb 13 13:49:23 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:49:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <22aabb9a2511170d4dbdb5d950c0ad09@chartertn.net> References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net><420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk><07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> <000801c51205$82018000$3c0d1bd3@reg> <22aabb9a2511170d4dbdb5d950c0ad09@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <1108331363.420fcb637c809@webmail.city-net.com> Hey John, The English accents seem to do it too. At least it appeared to be that way with Tom French and his harem at Portland. Someone got pics of THAT! 8-)) BTW it doesn't appear to work the other way. My Yank accent hasn't drawn any melted ladies on the other side of the pond. 8-))) See ya, Arnie Quoting John Culp : > > That's TWO years you'll have missed!! the ladies will be looking > > elsewhere if you don't turn up.... > > On a musical board I frequent, there's a discussion today that turned > to how ladies melt over men with Aussie accents. Don't disappoint them, > Reg. From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Feb 13 14:05:41 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:05:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <1108331363.420fcb637c809@webmail.city-net.com> References: <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk><07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> <000801c51205$82018000$3c0d1bd3@reg> <22aabb9a2511170d4dbdb5d950c0ad09@chartertn.net> <1108331363.420fcb637c809@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6ojv01pq01vfavknfsk7d9phec8i96hjbo@4ax.com> On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:49:23 -0500, you wrote: >Hey John, > >The English accents seem to do it too. At least it appeared to be that way with >Tom French and his harem at Portland. Someone got pics of THAT! 8-)) > >BTW it doesn't appear to work the other way. My Yank accent hasn't drawn any >melted ladies on the other side of the pond. 8-))) > >See ya, Arnie Must be our ages, Arnie, I never had any either... :-)) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From oldengin at udata.com Sun Feb 13 14:21:03 2005 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:21:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment In-Reply-To: <20050212.104316.1136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20050212.104316.1136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <420FD2CF.6030507@udata.com> Gday Well I hope it is not to late to get into this thread... BUT IMO the best part of any home workshop is the desire to WANT to do and or build something. Most of you who know me know that all I have is junk, and build junk. But the most important item in my shop is the idea that I can build and work with something. I do not have all the fancy stuff, and I enjoy some of the challenges that are created every time an idea pops into my little peabrain. I was told once that long long ago many of the people of this world had little, they claimed to not even have electric! Now I know this is a lie and that they had the equipment to do what they did, but due too government intervention never told the rest of the world. I was told of a peddle metal lathe that sat in the Portland show that was operated like a treadle sewing machine, again another smoke and mirror item, that the owner allowed only one other fellow to run! Hmmmm I would love to talk with him. Now my point The great machines and great workshops are something that someday I would maybe like to have, but trust me I have seen people build some great things with little bits of nothing. I know of one fellow who claims to have built over 40 engins from cutting up old Briggs, along with many other great models. And another fellow who has build 35 different models and even given some of them away with bits of nothing to work with. I also know a fellow, with a very very nice work shop, who purchased 6 model engin castings and set out to build and sell 5 to keep the business going and he still has, at my last chat with him, all of them and has butchered them badly and will probably get scrap price for them. Now the kicker do not get yourself into the idea you have to "OWN" the best equipment to do something, you have to have the desire. Have I told you about the engin plans that I have been drawing on for over 7 years now? Yes I did lay out some basic ideas, and this one is a keeper! PS my most important item in the work shop is my hacksaw!!!!! BTW who out here is left handed? and has anyone else ever heard of a left handed pencil? -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Feb 13 14:41:27 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:41:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment In-Reply-To: <420FD2CF.6030507@udata.com> References: <20050212.104316.1136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> <420FD2CF.6030507@udata.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:21:03 -0500, you wrote: >Gday > Well I hope it is not to late to get into this thread... Never too late, leroy, always nice to hear from you again. You probably hit it on the nail when you said that you don't need all the fancy stuff, and enjoying it is as important as having the machinery there in the first place. As I am a bit older than you, I am 'trying' to look ahead for something to keep me quiet in my retirement, while perhaps earning a small income from it as well. >PS my most important item in the work shop is my hacksaw!!!!! BTW who >out here is left handed? and has anyone else ever heard of a left handed >pencil? I am ambidextrous in many things, can play cricket or tennis right or left handed, but generally mostly right handed otherwise. Being a diesel mechanic it was always very useful to be able to use both hands on spanners etc in awkward places. The two boys are one of each hand, eldest was left handed and youngest right handed. Never heard of handed pencils before... Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bill at antique-engines.com Sun Feb 13 14:43:53 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:43:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment In-Reply-To: <420FD2CF.6030507@udata.com> Message-ID: <200502132243.j1DMhrpB031554@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> >> BTW who out here is left handed? and has anyone else ever heard of a left handed pencil?<< My wife and I and oldest son all are, and yes, the printing on the pencil is printed so when the eraser end is to the left you can read the type. Somewhere I have one - if I could only find it among my junk. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Leroy C. Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 4:21 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment Gday Well I hope it is not to late to get into this thread... BUT IMO the best part of any home workshop is the desire to WANT to do and or build something. Most of you who know me know that all I have is junk, and build junk. But the most important item in my shop is the idea that I can build and work with something. I do not have all the fancy stuff, and I enjoy some of the challenges that are created every time an idea pops into my little peabrain. I was told once that long long ago many of the people of this world had little, they claimed to not even have electric! Now I know this is a lie and that they had the equipment to do what they did, but due too government intervention never told the rest of the world. I was told of a peddle metal lathe that sat in the Portland show that was operated like a treadle sewing machine, again another smoke and mirror item, that the owner allowed only one other fellow to run! Hmmmm I would love to talk with him. Now my point The great machines and great workshops are something that someday I would maybe like to have, but trust me I have seen people build some great things with little bits of nothing. I know of one fellow who claims to have built over 40 engins from cutting up old Briggs, along with many other great models. And another fellow who has build 35 different models and even given some of them away with bits of nothing to work with. I also know a fellow, with a very very nice work shop, who purchased 6 model engin castings and set out to build and sell 5 to keep the business going and he still has, at my last chat with him, all of them and has butchered them badly and will probably get scrap price for them. Now the kicker do not get yourself into the idea you have to "OWN" the best equipment to do something, you have to have the desire. Have I told you about the engin plans that I have been drawing on for over 7 years now? Yes I did lay out some basic ideas, and this one is a keeper! PS my most important item in the work shop is my hacksaw!!!!! BTW who out here is left handed? and has anyone else ever heard of a left handed pencil? -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 13 15:03:46 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:03:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment In-Reply-To: <420FD2CF.6030507@udata.com> Message-ID: <20050213230346.90925.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com> Leroy, No I don't have a left handed pencil, and have never heard of one. I suspect it's like everything else. Made for right handers and we as being the minority must cope and asjust to their ways even though we are the normal ones. Ron Frost. Wrong way Charlie in Penns. "Leroy C." wrote: Gday Well I hope it is not to late to get into this thread... BUT IMO the best part of any home workshop is the desire to WANT to do and or build something. Most of you who know me know that all I have is junk, and build junk. But the most important item in my shop is the idea that I can build and work with something. I do not have all the fancy stuff, and I enjoy some of the challenges that are created every time an idea pops into my little peabrain. I was told once that long long ago many of the people of this world had little, they claimed to not even have electric! Now I know this is a lie and that they had the equipment to do what they did, but due too government intervention never told the rest of the world. I was told of a peddle metal lathe that sat in the Portland show that was operated like a treadle sewing machine, again another smoke and mirror item, that the owner allowed only one other fellow to run! Hmmmm I would love to talk with him. Now my point The great machines and great workshops are something that someday I would maybe like to have, but trust me I have seen people build some great things with little bits of nothing. I know of one fellow who claims to have built over 40 engins from cutting up old Briggs, along with many other great models. And another fellow who has build 35 different models and even given some of them away with bits of nothing to work with. I also know a fellow, with a very very nice work shop, who purchased 6 model engin castings and set out to build and sell 5 to keep the business going and he still has, at my last chat with him, all of them and has butchered them badly and will probably get scrap price for them. Now the kicker do not get yourself into the idea you have to "OWN" the best equipment to do something, you have to have the desire. Have I told you about the engin plans that I have been drawing on for over 7 years now? Yes I did lay out some basic ideas, and this one is a keeper! PS my most important item in the work shop is my hacksaw!!!!! BTW who out here is left handed? and has anyone else ever heard of a left handed pencil? -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Sun Feb 13 15:12:11 2005 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:12:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators & Bessemer Status Message-ID: <002001c51221$75e52760$1b690b42@computer> Thx. Arne, Kent and Dave had filled me in on the Coolsprings episode and I knew Craig had taken some parts to work on and I was truly curious about the engines status. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: fero_ah at city-net.com To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Sunday, February 13, 2005 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Propane regulators & Bessemer Status >Hi George, > >I had taken the Bessemer half-breed to Coolspring for the June show which >featured half-breeds. I wasn't real hopeful as work on it at home had >indicated that the compression was probably just too low to run. > >We all experimented with it at Coolspring and the consensus was cylinder bore, >possibly spray the piston, and new rings. So the piston and cylinder went home >with Craig Prucha and took their place in line in his shop. The good news is >as soon as the project that's on the machines now is finished, the Bessemer >cylinder is next up. Watch this space for work in progress... >http://www.antique-engine.com/shopwork/shopwork33.htm > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting George & Norma Armstrong : > >> How is the Bessemer progressing? George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Sun Feb 13 15:18:12 2005 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:18:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators Message-ID: <002501c51222$4ab21520$1b690b42@computer> Really Dolly my query was as pure as the driven snow. I was curious about the progress as I know a person of Arne's refined , impeccable and sophisticated tastes is probably doing a first rate restoration. George -----Original Message----- From: Jim French To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Sunday, February 13, 2005 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Propane regulators >Hi George > >That was a bit below the belt ;-) > >Dolly > >George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > >> Arnie, >> How is the Bessemer progressing? George > >-- >Jim French >fbi at insulate.co.uk >http://www.insulate.co.uk > > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 10/02/2005 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Feb 13 16:01:03 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:01:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <1108331363.420fcb637c809@webmail.city-net.com> References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net><420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk><07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> <000801c51205$82018000$3c0d1bd3@reg> <22aabb9a2511170d4dbdb5d950c0ad09@chartertn.net> <1108331363.420fcb637c809@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4e753600939c655481381a7ed0bf22af@chartertn.net> "Oversexed, overpaid and over here?" > BTW it doesn't appear to work the other way. My Yank accent hasn't > drawn any > melted ladies on the other side of the pond. 8-))) John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Feb 13 16:12:41 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:12:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Iron Find In-Reply-To: References: <8a.2080e8df.2f3ffbac@aol.com> <818edb9274c7b0dabc00ff58a05480c9@chartertn.net> <420EDCCF.9010109@telus.net> <420F928B.4020004@telus.net> Message-ID: <8930992aaf2826702a36bb0978ba5fba@chartertn.net> I should point out that the heavy flywheels on my ZC 52 were normal for the special oilfield model, and were first brought out on engines specially meant to power generators. The main difference between the generator and oilfield models is the "dry radiator" enabling long running unattended. It simply recondenses steam boiled out of the hopper. Yep, I've got an oilfield engine. And I move it around by myself. Pull it over to one side when I want to run the lawnmower through where it sits, then I push it back. Even took it for a walk around the neighborhood once, running. Some of my neighbors didn't quite understand that, but I pulled it up the road 1/4 mile or so where a neighbor lives who's into mechanical stuff and suitably enjoyed seeing a chugging, blue-smoking engine on a cart pulled into his driveway. Try that with your Bessemer when you get it running, Arnie! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Feb 13 15:59:54 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:59:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Iron Find In-Reply-To: References: <8a.2080e8df.2f3ffbac@aol.com> <818edb9274c7b0dabc00ff58a05480c9@chartertn.net> <420EDCCF.9010109@telus.net> Message-ID: <31dd518e05fc9134cbb2e45d05b5213f@chartertn.net> Francis Maciel was kind enough to hunt down my own pictures of my ZC 52: http://www.oldengine.org/members/culp/fairbanksmorse.html Thought I had it out there somewhere! Thanks, Francis! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com Sun Feb 13 17:39:05 2005 From: Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:39:05 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Contact information for Wayne McCartney. Message-ID: <005a01c4fb6b$c0cd29c0$97684342@yourtwa0macjqu> Dear List, Hello, it seems I have misplaced the contact information for Wayne McCartney of Massachusetts. He usually totes a trailer to the shows with the words "Wayne's World" on its side. His wife, Denise, is the one who makes the videos of several northeastern gas and steam shows. Hope this is enough info. At this point, I would like to find his phone number. Any help is appreciated. Thank you! Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Feb 13 20:30:16 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:30:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment In-Reply-To: <420FD2CF.6030507@udata.com> References: <20050212.104316.1136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> <420FD2CF.6030507@udata.com> Message-ID: <1108355416.42102958b0d27@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Leroy, I kinda like these... 8-)) http://www.anythingleft-handed.co.uk/acatalog/37_z.jpg See ya, Arnie Quoting "Leroy C." : > PS my most important item in the work shop is my hacksaw!!!!! BTW who > out here is left handed? and has anyone else ever heard of a left handed > pencil? From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Feb 13 20:32:55 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:32:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> <07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> <000801c51205$82018000$3c0d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050213233200.0e28bb58@mail.alltel.net> > the ladies will be looking elsewhere if >you don't turn up.... > >Peter Perhaps that's the problem Peter--he can't "turn up" anymore! Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Feb 13 20:48:07 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:48:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <6ojv01pq01vfavknfsk7d9phec8i96hjbo@4ax.com> References: <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk><07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> <000801c51205$82018000$3c0d1bd3@reg> <22aabb9a2511170d4dbdb5d950c0ad09@chartertn.net> <1108331363.420fcb637c809@webmail.city-net.com> <6ojv01pq01vfavknfsk7d9phec8i96hjbo@4ax.com> Message-ID: <1108356487.42102d87eb255@webmail.city-net.com> Bwahahahahahaha!!!! Peter think what you're saying. Think who was the subject at the start of this thread. REGGIE!!!! Now THAT is old!! And he still melts 'em. 8-)) Hmmm, maybe its the noo nees? See ya, Arnie PS - On THIS side of the pond I did recieve a rather large number of stars from the Portland Trollop. 8->>> Quoting Peter A Forbes : > >BTW it doesn't appear to work the other way. My Yank accent hasn't drawn > >any melted ladies on the other side of the pond. 8-))) > > Must be our ages, Arnie, I never had any either... :-)) From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Feb 13 21:43:18 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:43:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment Message-ID: <20050214.004318.1304.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Leroy, Good to hear from ya. Your workshop sorta sounds like mine, except that I may have a few more pieces of "hi-tech" machinery than you. I have a gas 'fitsall' wrench - a milling machine that you hold in your hand and takes a 4?" cutting wheel - a vertical Delta lathe that stands close to the garage door - a few BFH's, plenty of chisels and a couple crow bars - a large Craftsman tool box with plenty of sockets - a work bench made out of 2x4's and a table saw. And - of course - a hand operated Hack Saw. Two walls of shelves and ho'made cabinets stocked to the max with Flares - Briggs' - REO's - Meyers - and a few other "antique" odds 'n ends. All stuffed into a two car garage along with 5 or 6 flywheel engines - a Harley - a Snow Thrower - a BBQ Grill - Lawn Seeder - an extra truck tire - and or course - - - "Her Majesty" Automobile. I once had the idea of making a flywheel engine out of a Briggs until I tried (and succeeded) to run a Briggs on battery & coil. Said to myself, "This ain't no BFD" and gave up the idea. And - - - Of course I've heard of LH pencils. Even had a few from time to time. My guess is that they are either made as a novelty or some idiot loaded the pencils into the erasure machine backwards. Have a good day. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Feb 14 00:07:10 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:07:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment References: <000901c51205$82da2cc0$3c0d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: <00f201c5126d$48414720$3c0d1bd3@reg> Cross my palm with silver......................!! VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment > On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:54:01 +1100, you wrote: > > >Hey, I SEEN it!!! It aint too bad!! > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Steve Royster" > >To: > > BTW after John > >> Hammick's pictures of his nice clean shop .... ain't no way I'm gonna show > >> pictures of my shop. See everyone at Portland, Steve Royster > > Perhaps I shouldn't say anything about ours then.... :-)) > > Peter > > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes > Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk > Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Mon Feb 14 02:39:53 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:39:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment Message-ID: <3rr89i$nm64d8@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net> I got into this hobby about 14 years ago, soon realized I would need equipment to restore engines. I now have an 11" South Bend lathe, a 14" Hendey from WW2, a 20x120" Monarch waiting to be set up, a South Bend shaper, Enco mill, Sunnen rod honing machine, two automotive boring bars, and a flame spray metalizing rig. Most of my equipment was picked up on swap deals, some of it given to me. The latest boring bar is a Van Norman Jumbo 888, 7.5 X 18" capacity. I inherited this when a friend and club member died. The catspaws were stripped, found a used set on the net and got it working. This is a heavy machine and does a beautiful job, bored one of my engines last week and installed a sleeve for a friend this weekend. I use my equipment for my business and pleasure, it's the most enjoyable part of the hobby. If things go as planned I would like to use the equipment for sleeving, boring and flame spraying when I retire. J.B. Castagnos From jbcast at charter.net Mon Feb 14 02:57:36 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:57:36 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder repair. Message-ID: <3rr7ej$n2121f@mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net> How do ya'll feel about cylinder repair? I've sleeved most of the engines I've done because it doesn't cost me much and because they were so rusty it was the best way out. The flame spray rig I have came from the local sugar mill when it closed, I've only used it for shafts, haven't got the nerve to try a piston yet. The engine I bored for myself with the new machine was a five inch bore, was going to sleeve it but it cleared out nice at 5 1/8". Have to make a piston anyway and the wall still measures .520" thick. I guess that's why a 6hp engine ways 600lbs. I made a pattern and core for the popular marine engines we use, but that was mainly to go to lighter aluminum pistons. What's the max feasible amount you can flame spray a piston? J.B. Castagnos From canuckiron at wightman.ca Mon Feb 14 04:08:35 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:08:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment In-Reply-To: <20050214.004318.1304.0.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050214.004318.1304.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <421094C3.2090201@wightman.ca> You are a man after my own heart Joe. Duncan Joseph L Betz wrote: From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 14 03:44:35 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:44:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment In-Reply-To: <1108355416.42102958b0d27@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20050214114435.99714.qmail@web14121.mail.yahoo.com> Now that's probably why I can't write so it can be read. I've always had to use the old standard right handed ones. Ron fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: Hi Leroy, I kinda like these... 8-)) http://www.anythingleft-handed.co.uk/acatalog/37_z.jpg See ya, Arnie Quoting "Leroy C." : > PS my most important item in the work shop is my hacksaw!!!!! BTW who > out here is left handed? and has anyone else ever heard of a left handed > pencil? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Mon Feb 14 04:22:26 2005 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 04:22:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Contact information for Wayne McCartney. In-Reply-To: <005a01c4fb6b$c0cd29c0$97684342@yourtwa0macjqu> Message-ID: <20050214122226.26985.qmail@web52605.mail.yahoo.com> I've got Wayne's info. Sent me a message off list. Stojanov wrote: Dear List, Hello, it seems I have misplaced the contact information for Wayne McCartney of Massachusetts. He usually totes a trailer to the shows with the words "Wayne's World" on its side. His wife, Denise, is the one who makes the videos of several northeastern gas and steam shows. Hope this is enough info. At this point, I would like to find his phone number. Any help is appreciated. Thank you! Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Cheers! NICK Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich Hartmann "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From BillMil357 at aol.com Mon Feb 14 06:16:32 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:16:32 EST Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment Message-ID: <155.4a536ec6.2f420cc0@aol.com> HI JB. How about some pictures of your shop? See ya, Bill Miller. From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Feb 14 07:44:16 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:44:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IDEAL Message-ID: <20050214.104416.892.7.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, The other day, I decided to take a whack at getting the IDEAL apart again. Got the inspection plate off the hopper and found an abandonded mouse nest. Cleaned out the hopper real good and found that it has been welded up the side. I also managed to get the fuel pump off in one piece but the check balls seem to be rusted tight. We'll see what penetrating oil will do for that. The tube from the fuel pump into the base is still stuck in the base. I blew air into the base oposite the fuel pump and created a mud fountain that reached the ceiling. As before, the crank & gears & valves all rusted away, or into one piece. The more I work on this thing - the more I see an IDEAL mail box post. Bummer !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jbcast at charter.net Mon Feb 14 10:35:36 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:35:36 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment Message-ID: <3rr04b$i361bm@mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net> > > HI JB. > > How about some pictures of your shop? > Gotta admit it's not much to look at Bill, it's spread around in two buildings, things tucked in where I can find room. I bought the property next to my shop, gathering materials and fabricating trusses now, it'll be a dedicated machine-hobby shop, but you know how those spare time projects go. J.B. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Feb 14 00:32:03 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:32:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net><420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk><07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net><6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net><000801c51205$82018000$3c0d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: <000201c512d0$69d9b4e0$400d1bd3@reg> Aint life a shit?? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > That's TWO years you'll have missed!! the ladies will be looking elsewhere if > you don't turn up.... > > Peter From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Feb 14 00:57:27 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:57:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net><420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk><07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net><6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net><000801c51205$82018000$3c0d1bd3@reg> <6.1.2.0.0.20050213233200.0e28bb58@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000401c512d0$6ca24ac0$400d1bd3@reg> Bloody know it all!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > > > the ladies will be looking elsewhere if > >you don't turn up.... > > > >Peter > > Perhaps that's the problem Peter--he can't "turn up" anymore! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Feb 14 00:32:44 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:32:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Hot Air Enthusiasts! References: <200502130350.j1D3o4cL011842@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><000a01c51205$83d5f1e0$3c0d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: <000301c512d0$6bd13f20$400d1bd3@reg> Ha ha ha!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hot Air Enthusiasts! > Pull my finger, Reg. > > John > > On Feb 13, 2005, at 3:57 AM, Reg Ingold wrote: > > > Which end? > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Feb 14 01:15:16 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:15:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment References: <20050212.104316.1136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com><420FD2CF.6030507@udata.com> Message-ID: <000501c512d0$6d6bb540$400d1bd3@reg> I have kept out on this up till now but, after reading Leroy's comments.................. I got into this hobby 'one handed' and that was the wrong hand too, as I am a left hander. Every step I have made has been a challenge. And I enjoyed each step. My workshop is where I spend most of my time. I decide way back that I needed all the help good machines would give me. The cost was not great compared to the help they have given me and, when I need to part with them, the resale value will make the owning, well worth while. My machines are all a bit modified to allow me to use them better. Each day I look forward to producing something new, and I get the joy of having produced something to the best of my ability. No way am I out to prove anything. I make for my enjoyment. I consider myself to be one of the luckiest people as I have the chance to do what I choose. The first piston, gear, etc.etc. were all major steps forward for me and when I had beaten each challenge, I felt good. The truth is, for me, my shop is my existence. Making things is what it is all about for me. When I can no longer do these things, life wont be worth while. So far, I am having a ball. Moral? Get in there and enjoy doing YOUR thing! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment > On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:21:03 -0500, you wrote: > > >Gday > > Well I hope it is not to late to get into this thread... > > Never too late, leroy, always nice to hear from you again. > > > > You probably hit it on the nail when you said that you don't need all the fancy > stuff, and enjoying it is as important as having the machinery there in the > first place. > > As I am a bit older than you, I am 'trying' to look ahead for something to keep > me quiet in my retirement, while perhaps earning a small income from it as well. > > >PS my most important item in the work shop is my hacksaw!!!!! BTW who > >out here is left handed? and has anyone else ever heard of a left handed > >pencil? > > I am ambidextrous in many things, can play cricket or tennis right or left > handed, but generally mostly right handed otherwise. Being a diesel mechanic it > was always very useful to be able to use both hands on spanners etc in awkward > places. The two boys are one of each hand, eldest was left handed and youngest > right handed. > > Never heard of handed pencils before... > > Peter > > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes > Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk > Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Feb 14 12:34:27 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:34:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment References: <20050212.104316.1136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com><420FD2CF.6030507@udata.com> <000501c512d0$6d6bb540$400d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: <001301c512d4$940e2990$3e636854@Sixmjohn> I got the feeling Reg! John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > I have kept out on this up till now but, after reading Leroy's > comments.................. > I got into this hobby 'one handed' and that was the wrong hand too, as I am > a left hander. > Every step I have made has been a challenge. And I enjoyed each step. > My workshop is where I spend most of my time. > I decide way back that I needed all the help good machines would give me. > The cost was not great compared to the help they have given me and, when I > need to part with them, the resale value will make the owning, well worth > while. > My machines are all a bit modified to allow me to use them better. > Each day I look forward to producing something new, and I get the joy of > having produced something to the best of my ability. > No way am I out to prove anything. I make for my enjoyment. > I consider myself to be one of the luckiest people as I have the chance to > do what I choose. > The first piston, gear, etc.etc. were all major steps forward for me and > when I had beaten each challenge, I felt good. > The truth is, for me, my shop is my existence. Making things is what it is > all about for me. > When I can no longer do these things, life wont be worth while. > So far, I am having a ball. > > Moral? Get in there and enjoy doing YOUR thing! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter A Forbes" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 9:41 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment > > > > On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:21:03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >Gday > > > Well I hope it is not to late to get into this thread... > > > > Never too late, leroy, always nice to hear from you again. > > > > > > > > You probably hit it on the nail when you said that you don't need all the > fancy > > stuff, and enjoying it is as important as having the machinery there in > the > > first place. > > > > As I am a bit older than you, I am 'trying' to look ahead for something to > keep > > me quiet in my retirement, while perhaps earning a small income from it as > well. > > > > >PS my most important item in the work shop is my hacksaw!!!!! BTW who > > >out here is left handed? and has anyone else ever heard of a left handed > > >pencil? > > > > I am ambidextrous in many things, can play cricket or tennis right or left > > handed, but generally mostly right handed otherwise. Being a diesel > mechanic it > > was always very useful to be able to use both hands on spanners etc in > awkward > > places. The two boys are one of each hand, eldest was left handed and > youngest > > right handed. > > > > Never heard of handed pencils before... > > > > Peter > > > > -- > > Peter & Rita Forbes > > Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk > > Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From segray at mlode.com Mon Feb 14 12:53:03 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:53:03 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment In-Reply-To: <000501c512d0$6d6bb540$400d1bd3@reg> References: <20050212.104316.1136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com><420FD2CF.6030507@udata.com> <000501c512d0$6d6bb540$400d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: <42110FAF.4080906@mlode.com> I echo every word, mate! Well put! - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Reg Ingold wrote: >I have kept out on this up till now but, after reading Leroy's >comments.................. >I got into this hobby 'one handed' and that was the wrong hand too, as I am >a left hander. >Every step I have made has been a challenge. And I enjoyed each step. >My workshop is where I spend most of my time. >I decide way back that I needed all the help good machines would give me. >The cost was not great compared to the help they have given me and, when I >need to part with them, the resale value will make the owning, well worth >while. >My machines are all a bit modified to allow me to use them better. >Each day I look forward to producing something new, and I get the joy of >having produced something to the best of my ability. >No way am I out to prove anything. I make for my enjoyment. >I consider myself to be one of the luckiest people as I have the chance to >do what I choose. >The first piston, gear, etc.etc. were all major steps forward for me and >when I had beaten each challenge, I felt good. >The truth is, for me, my shop is my existence. Making things is what it is >all about for me. >When I can no longer do these things, life wont be worth while. >So far, I am having a ball. > >Moral? Get in there and enjoy doing YOUR thing! >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > From nick at holden1.net Mon Feb 14 13:02:34 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:02:34 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks-Morse Message-ID: <421111EA.000003.01876@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> That should have been spoked flywheels nick Get All Your Mobile Phone Accessories at www.nicksphoneunlockingshop.co.uk From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Feb 14 14:27:37 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:27:37 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment References: <20050212.104316.1136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com><420FD2CF.6030507@udata.com> <000501c512d0$6d6bb540$400d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: <001e01c512e4$640accc0$ee84dccb@oemcomputer> Well said Reg.I feel the same.Most days I make something for me or somebody else's engine.Most of these things are one offs and it is very satisfying when the job is done and work's. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 8:15 Subject: Re: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment > I have kept out on this up till now but, after reading Leroy's > comments.................. > I got into this hobby 'one handed' and that was the wrong hand too, as I am > a left hander. > Every step I have made has been a challenge. And I enjoyed each step. > My workshop is where I spend most of my time. > I decide way back that I needed all the help good machines would give me. > The cost was not great compared to the help they have given me and, when I > need to part with them, the resale value will make the owning, well worth > while. > My machines are all a bit modified to allow me to use them better. > Each day I look forward to producing something new, and I get the joy of > having produced something to the best of my ability. > No way am I out to prove anything. I make for my enjoyment. > I consider myself to be one of the luckiest people as I have the chance to > do what I choose. > The first piston, gear, etc.etc. were all major steps forward for me and > when I had beaten each challenge, I felt good. > The truth is, for me, my shop is my existence. Making things is what it is > all about for me. > When I can no longer do these things, life wont be worth while. > So far, I am having a ball. > > Moral? Get in there and enjoy doing YOUR thing! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter A Forbes" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 9:41 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment > > > > On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:21:03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >Gday > > > Well I hope it is not to late to get into this thread... > > > > Never too late, leroy, always nice to hear from you again. > > > > > > > > You probably hit it on the nail when you said that you don't need all the > fancy > > stuff, and enjoying it is as important as having the machinery there in > the > > first place. > > > > As I am a bit older than you, I am 'trying' to look ahead for something to > keep > > me quiet in my retirement, while perhaps earning a small income from it as > well. > > > > >PS my most important item in the work shop is my hacksaw!!!!! BTW who > > >out here is left handed? and has anyone else ever heard of a left handed > > >pencil? > > > > I am ambidextrous in many things, can play cricket or tennis right or left > > handed, but generally mostly right handed otherwise. Being a diesel > mechanic it > > was always very useful to be able to use both hands on spanners etc in > awkward > > places. The two boys are one of each hand, eldest was left handed and > youngest > > right handed. > > > > Never heard of handed pencils before... > > > > Peter > > > > -- > > Peter & Rita Forbes > > Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk > > Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brianne at ultratune.com.au Mon Feb 14 19:20:39 2005 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:20:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] IH3M Belt Pulley Message-ID: <00f101c5130d$54326aa0$d354dccb@pcuser> Hi Guys I am having some difficulty obtaining a belt drive pulley for the 3M. I am considering turning one up on the lathe out of hardwood. Has anyone ever done this? It will only be lightly loaded. If anyone has a dimensioned drawing of a pulley, I guess approx 6" Dia. is there any chance of a copy?(To suit the IH3M) Also, has anyone any experience of using fire hose as a belt? I have been given 4 metres of it by the local fire station , it is the newer rubberised type. I would guess that the older canvas type would be better? Brian Taylor Hervey Bay Historical Museum 13 Zephyr St..Scarness Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Mon Feb 14 19:53:59 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:53:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IH3M Belt Pulley References: <00f101c5130d$54326aa0$d354dccb@pcuser> Message-ID: <002901c51311$fbeb49c0$e4631f40@ibm22761389857> I have made wooden split pulleys on a lathe for line shaft use. I used 3/4" hard maple boards glued together with the grain turned 90 degrees on each board from the next board. The stack was then turned to size and the center hole drilled on the lathe. I made a jig to drill the bolt holes on the face of the pulley to hold the halves together before splitting the pulley in two. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Taylor" To: Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 22:20 Subject: [SEL] IH3M Belt Pulley Hi Guys I am having some difficulty obtaining a belt drive pulley for the 3M. I am considering turning one up on the lathe out of hardwood. Has anyone ever done this? It will only be lightly loaded. If anyone has a dimensioned drawing of a pulley, I guess approx 6" Dia. is there any chance of a copy?(To suit the IH3M) Also, has anyone any experience of using fire hose as a belt? I have been given 4 metres of it by the local fire station , it is the newer rubberised type. I would guess that the older canvas type would be better? Brian Taylor Hervey Bay Historical Museum 13 Zephyr St..Scarness Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Feb 14 21:04:07 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:04:07 -0800 Subject: [SEL] IH3M Belt Pulley In-Reply-To: <00f101c5130d$54326aa0$d354dccb@pcuser> Message-ID: <200502150504.j1F549nm048626@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > I am having some difficulty obtaining a belt drive pulley for the 3M. > I am considering turning one up on the lathe out of hardwood. > Has anyone ever done this? Yep, I've made several. See the scribbles at http://temp.rustyiron.com/pulley.jpg Cut out some disks of plywood with a jigsaw. Slop 'em with glue and clamp them together. Get/make a thick tube with the ID matching your shaft. Cutting a keyway is nice, but if you cannot easily do so, drill and tap two holes for setscrews 90 degrees apart and near opposite ends of the tube. Make a round, flat plate, with a center hole sized to fit the OD of the tube. Tube goes in plate. Weld her up. Turn so plate is true to tube. OD of plate should be somewhat smaller than the finished size of your pulley. Drill four holes in plate, 90 degrees apart, near the outside edge, 45 degrees from the set screws. After plywood dries, bore a hole to fit the tube, or a hair smaller. Press wood disk onto shaft. Starting with the holes in the plate, drill through the wood disk. Bolt it on. Turn the face of the wood disk down to clean it up, then put a crown on it. Bore two holes to match set screw holes. Done. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Feb 15 02:49:44 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:49:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] IH3M Belt Pulley References: <200502150504.j1F549nm048626@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000b01c5134c$12190900$1284dccb@oemcomputer> I can probably help with an original.What dia are you after as they come in several sizes.Give me a call ,my phone#is at the bottom of my address.Or reply of list. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 4:04 Subject: RE: [SEL] IH3M Belt Pulley From Bimjy at hotmail.com Tue Feb 15 03:30:59 2005 From: Bimjy at hotmail.com (Jim Hunter) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:30:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IH3M Belt pulley Message-ID: I made wooden belt tightning idler pulleys for my tractor. Used 3/4 oak boards stacked up with grain of each one turned at different angles. I made it extra wide so when I turned it down I was able to leave a 3/8x3/8 lip on each edge of pulley to help me keep belt on pulleys when the belt is not completely tightened.I drilled the end and side of idler shaft, installed a zerk. Then bored hole thru pulley to fit the shaft. Hold it on shaft with locking collars. While spinning idler slowly by hand I began to grease it. To my amazement before the grease came out both ends of the pulley around the shaft, some of the grease came out through the end grains of the wood!! Fortunately I am running the idlers on the outside of belt so a little grease won,t cause any belt slippage! In the future I will use a tighter grained wood!! Jim From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 15 04:16:13 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:16:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston Message-ID: Howdy all; Would a piston built of steel work? TIA RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From prepair at easynet.co.uk Tue Feb 15 04:38:07 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:38:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0uq311pj01ngdkt8mncqc36a32esu72sgq@4ax.com> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:16:13 -0700, you wrote: > Howdy all; > Would a piston built of steel work? >TIA >RickinMt. With caveats regarding lubrication and wear, yes it would, but you'd be better off looking at a piece of Meehanite or close-grained cast iron if you could. Machines better, wears better and has the self-lubricated properties which are desirable in a piston. Self-lubricating does NOT mean it runs without oil!! :-)) If it is a low speed engine then CI is fine, but for anything faster you should consider Ali as the inertial forces on the small end and big end get horribly large as the speed increases, I haven't got the formulae here at work, but it is something like the forces squared for a doubling of engine rpm. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 15 04:57:18 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:57:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston and Wico EK reference References: <0uq311pj01ngdkt8mncqc36a32esu72sgq@4ax.com> Message-ID: Thanks Peter..whew, that was the fastest response I've ever received. I'll pass that info onto my machinist bud. On another note, either you or someone else over there on the SEL, has a large amount of reference material on their website. In regards to the Wico EK mag, I remember the quality was not too good. I just got a nice reprint off ebay and maybe I could help out. later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prepair Ltd" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Making a piston > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:16:13 -0700, you wrote: > > > Howdy all; > > Would a piston built of steel work? > >TIA > >RickinMt. > > With caveats regarding lubrication and wear, yes it would, but you'd > be better off looking at a piece of Meehanite or close-grained cast > iron if you could. Machines better, wears better and has the > self-lubricated properties which are desirable in a piston. > > Self-lubricating does NOT mean it runs without oil!! :-)) > > If it is a low speed engine then CI is fine, but for anything faster > you should consider Ali as the inertial forces on the small end and > big end get horribly large as the speed increases, I haven't got the > formulae here at work, but it is something like the forces squared for > a doubling of engine rpm. > > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK > prepair at easynet.co.uk > http://www.prepair.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 15 05:07:20 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:07:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston References: <0uq311pj01ngdkt8mncqc36a32esu72sgq@4ax.com> Message-ID: Not familiar with "Meehanite" and dictionary.com doesn't either....or am I fallin' into something Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prepair Ltd" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Making a piston > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:16:13 -0700, you wrote: > > > Howdy all; > > Would a piston built of steel work? > >TIA > >RickinMt. > > With caveats regarding lubrication and wear, yes it would, but you'd > be better off looking at a piece of Meehanite or close-grained cast > iron if you could. Machines better, wears better and has the > self-lubricated properties which are desirable in a piston. > > Self-lubricating does NOT mean it runs without oil!! :-)) > > If it is a low speed engine then CI is fine, but for anything faster > you should consider Ali as the inertial forces on the small end and > big end get horribly large as the speed increases, I haven't got the > formulae here at work, but it is something like the forces squared for > a doubling of engine rpm. > > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK > prepair at easynet.co.uk > http://www.prepair.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From prepair at easynet.co.uk Tue Feb 15 05:18:16 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:18:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston and Wico EK reference In-Reply-To: References: <0uq311pj01ngdkt8mncqc36a32esu72sgq@4ax.com> Message-ID: <6ft311125j7d6dhmgithj534nelbls6in3@4ax.com> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:57:18 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks Peter..whew, that was the fastest response I've ever received. I'll >pass that info onto my machinist bud. I was just starting lunch and saw it come up on the email :-)) > On another note, either you or someone else over there on the SEL, has a >large amount of reference material on their website. In regards to the Wico >EK mag, I remember the quality was not too good. I just got a nice reprint >off ebay and maybe I could help out. Wasn't myself, we do have a huge pile of Magneto information for Wico under 3 parent companies over the years, mainly service manuals about 2" thick, full of data etc. One day, I'll get time to scan it all and put it on the website so the rest of you can share the data, but I have a 5-year backlog of stuff 'to do' so it probably won't get done real soon.... We also have Fairbanks-Morse, Eisemann and others, all waiting to be scanned. >later, >RickinMt. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From prepair at easynet.co.uk Tue Feb 15 05:44:27 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:44:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston In-Reply-To: References: <0uq311pj01ngdkt8mncqc36a32esu72sgq@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:07:20 -0700, you wrote: >Not familiar with "Meehanite" and dictionary.com doesn't either....or am I >fallin' into something > >Rick Nope, nothing as crude as that! It's a trade name for a particular close-ground cast iron. http://www.meehanite.com Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 15 05:42:52 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:42:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston and Wico EK reference References: <0uq311pj01ngdkt8mncqc36a32esu72sgq@4ax.com> <6ft311125j7d6dhmgithj534nelbls6in3@4ax.com> Message-ID: Lunch?? I haven't even had breakfast yet!! I must have been someone else's site but I'm sure it was over the rh pond. Maybe I'll stumble on it soon. later pard, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prepair Ltd" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Making a piston and Wico EK reference > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:57:18 -0700, you wrote: > > >Thanks Peter..whew, that was the fastest response I've ever received. > >I'll > >pass that info onto my machinist bud. > > I was just starting lunch and saw it come up on the email :-)) > > > On another note, either you or someone else over there on the SEL, has > > a > >large amount of reference material on their website. In regards to the > >Wico > >EK mag, I remember the quality was not too good. I just got a nice > >reprint > >off ebay and maybe I could help out. > > Wasn't myself, we do have a huge pile of Magneto information for Wico > under 3 parent companies over the years, mainly service manuals about > 2" thick, full of data etc. One day, I'll get time to scan it all and > put it on the website so the rest of you can share the data, but I > have a 5-year backlog of stuff 'to do' so it probably won't get done > real soon.... > > We also have Fairbanks-Morse, Eisemann and others, all waiting to be > scanned. > > >later, > >RickinMt. > > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK > prepair at easynet.co.uk > http://www.prepair.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From prepair at easynet.co.uk Tue Feb 15 05:53:17 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:53:17 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston In-Reply-To: References: <0uq311pj01ngdkt8mncqc36a32esu72sgq@4ax.com> Message-ID: <3jv3115kjttemjhvgi72kdvdgjhp5sagnl@4ax.com> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:44:27 +0000, you wrote: >On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:07:20 -0700, you wrote: > >>Not familiar with "Meehanite" and dictionary.com doesn't either....or am I >>fallin' into something >> >>Rick > >Nope, nothing as crude as that! > >It's a trade name for a particular close-ground cast iron. > >http://www.meehanite.com > > >Peter Make that close-grained! That name, Meehanite, sent me of in a different direction, looking for the Meehan name, and Tony Meehan, the Shadows' guitarist who, with Jet Harris started the group way back when I was a kid (too many years ago!) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 15 05:50:07 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:50:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines Message-ID: In the blabber mode this a.m. but how do ya'll handle it when two of ya find a NICE engine together? 50/50 has never worked for me and in my younger days it caused a lot of problems and now that I'm smarter and wiser?????????, I'd like to stay away from the 50/50 ownership. So how do ya'll handle this? Flip a coin? Life is good in Mt. RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue Feb 15 05:59:20 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:59:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston In-Reply-To: References: <0uq311pj01ngdkt8mncqc36a32esu72sgq@4ax.com> Message-ID: In message , Richard Strobel writes >Not familiar with "Meehanite" and dictionary.com doesn't either....or am I >fallin' into something > >Rick No, it's legit. www.meehanite.com - basically it's a very high quality fine-grained cast iron. Pete -- Peter Scales From prepair at easynet.co.uk Tue Feb 15 06:07:00 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:07:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston and Wico EK reference - now Time Zones! In-Reply-To: References: <0uq311pj01ngdkt8mncqc36a32esu72sgq@4ax.com> <6ft311125j7d6dhmgithj534nelbls6in3@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:42:52 -0700, you wrote: >Lunch?? I haven't even had breakfast yet!! I must have been someone else's >site but I'm sure it was over the rh pond. Maybe I'll stumble on it soon. > >later pard, >Rick We are sure covering some territory between us here! The beauty of the List is that there is ALWAYS someone on-line. The buys in Oz and Nz are in bed now (or should be) we are just past Lunchtime, you are in early morning and so on. Our best time is probably midnight GMT, when we have the guys in Oz and NZ in their early morning and Rob & Kelley and the others in their afternoon/evening, then you can cover the whole list in one go! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From prepair at easynet.co.uk Tue Feb 15 06:10:40 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:10:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8j0411t7tt7lpvqatv3of3mia8b3904mqp@4ax.com> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:50:07 -0700, you wrote: > In the blabber mode this a.m. but how do ya'll handle it when two of ya >find a NICE engine together? 50/50 has never worked for me and in my >younger days it caused a lot of problems and now that I'm smarter and >wiser?????????, I'd like to stay away from the 50/50 ownership. > > So how do ya'll handle this? Flip a coin? > >Life is good in Mt. >RickinMt. I'm due back out in the workshop! I have always found that unless you are VERY good friends, sharing just doesn't ever work, unless there is a dominant/subservient relationship between the pair of you and that ain't good anyhow! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 15 07:08:46 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:08:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston and Wico EK reference References: <0uq311pj01ngdkt8mncqc36a32esu72sgq@4ax.com> <6ft311125j7d6dhmgithj534nelbls6in3@4ax.com> Message-ID: Yea, the list is fantastic!! After blowing 7 rockets, I found a manual on Jim's site: http://www.oldengine.org/docs/index.htm "Jus slap me!" Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prepair Ltd" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Making a piston and Wico EK reference > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:57:18 -0700, you wrote: > > >Thanks Peter..whew, that was the fastest response I've ever received. > >I'll > >pass that info onto my machinist bud. > > I was just starting lunch and saw it come up on the email :-)) > > > On another note, either you or someone else over there on the SEL, has > > a > >large amount of reference material on their website. In regards to the > >Wico > >EK mag, I remember the quality was not too good. I just got a nice > >reprint > >off ebay and maybe I could help out. > > Wasn't myself, we do have a huge pile of Magneto information for Wico > under 3 parent companies over the years, mainly service manuals about > 2" thick, full of data etc. One day, I'll get time to scan it all and > put it on the website so the rest of you can share the data, but I > have a 5-year backlog of stuff 'to do' so it probably won't get done > real soon.... > > We also have Fairbanks-Morse, Eisemann and others, all waiting to be > scanned. > > >later, > >RickinMt. > > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK > prepair at easynet.co.uk > http://www.prepair.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Feb 15 07:37:47 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:37:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IH3M Belt Pulley Message-ID: <20050215.104457.1052.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Brian, Although it can be very satisfying and a great subject for discussion. I would only turn a pulley as a last resort. Surely there has to be shows over there where a trailer load of various pulleys show up. Usually, they run about $30 in my area. There's always a trailer load at Coolsprings - Hit & Miss - Portland. I turned a pulley for a water pump I have. I needed it to be 14" x 2" and light. I wanted to run a flat belt instead of a "V" belt. I simply took a smaller metal pulley that fit the shaft - glued several peices of wood together and cut a radius to suit my size. Screwed the future wood pulley to the metal pulley. Established a "verticle" axle (or stub ) on the bench. Laid a belt sander on it's side and used this as a "horizontal lathe" to true the radius and form the proper rise on the face. It worked out great - But - If I can find a pulley made of cast - I'll buy it. Actually - When you look at the pump at a show - The wood pulley looks sort of dumb and ho'made. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Feb 15 07:25:12 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:25:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines Message-ID: <20050215.104457.1052.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Guys, I think "sharin" is a great idea !!! Sooner or later - One of you will take a liking to another engine as the novelty of the present engine wears off and one can buy the other out. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Feb 15 08:28:21 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:28:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines In-Reply-To: <20050215.104457.1052.5.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050215.104457.1052.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, Sorta like with wives? 8->>> See ya, Arnie On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Joseph L Betz wrote: > I think "sharin" is a great idea !!! > > Sooner or later - One of you will take a liking to another engine as the > novelty of the present engine wears off and one can buy the other out. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 15 08:46:25 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:46:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines References: <20050215.104457.1052.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Wouldn't trade the boss fer nuttin'. Now the 32 yr. old step-son in the basement...I'd let go cheap...no trades..well maybe a vertical Gal..er Galloway!!! hell even a maytag. I feel better now, so headed for the shed!!! Rick PS: Dave, moola will go in the mail tomorrow for the decals. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sharin' engines > Hi Joe, > > Sorta like with wives? 8->>> > > See ya, Arnie > > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Joseph L Betz wrote: > > > I think "sharin" is a great idea !!! > > > > Sooner or later - One of you will take a liking to another engine as the > > novelty of the present engine wears off and one can buy the other out. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Tue Feb 15 10:01:44 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:01:44 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines Message-ID: Generally I don't think sharing works well. If you and a buddy are out and come across an engine you'd both like, I think its possible to decide logically who should have first chance at it. If you're going out on an engine hunt and invite your buddy along, then you've got first right to what you find. If your buddy is going out and invites you along, then he has first right. Now if either one of you has a lead on a engine, the person that got the lead is the one with first right on that engine and any other engine the seller might also offer. George Ps.. This could be a good thread on how to keep your engine buddy a friend and not get mad at each other because one of you bought an engine out from under the other person. From nick at holden1.net Tue Feb 15 11:24:59 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:24:59 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks-Morse Message-ID: <42124C8B.000003.00552@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi i have a 1 1/2 Hp Z type with spoked flywheels tried to send a photo but can not get it down to post limit of 15Kb and hear is where i live nick Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Feb 15 00:21:35 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:21:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment References: <20050212.104316.1136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com><420FD2CF.6030507@udata.com> <000501c512d0$6d6bb540$400d1bd3@reg> <42110FAF.4080906@mlode.com> Message-ID: <000301c5139e$87648700$06111bd3@reg> Thanks Steve. YOU know what I am trying to put across. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment > I echo every word, mate! Well put! > > - Steve > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > > > Reg Ingold wrote: > > >I have kept out on this up till now but, after reading Leroy's > >comments.................. > >I got into this hobby 'one handed' and that was the wrong hand too, as I am > >a left hander. > >Every step I have made has been a challenge. And I enjoyed each step. > >My workshop is where I spend most of my time. > >I decide way back that I needed all the help good machines would give me. > >The cost was not great compared to the help they have given me and, when I > >need to part with them, the resale value will make the owning, well worth > >while. > >My machines are all a bit modified to allow me to use them better. > >Each day I look forward to producing something new, and I get the joy of > >having produced something to the best of my ability. > >No way am I out to prove anything. I make for my enjoyment. > >I consider myself to be one of the luckiest people as I have the chance to > >do what I choose. > >The first piston, gear, etc.etc. were all major steps forward for me and > >when I had beaten each challenge, I felt good. > >The truth is, for me, my shop is my existence. Making things is what it is > >all about for me. > >When I can no longer do these things, life wont be worth while. > >So far, I am having a ball. > > > >Moral? Get in there and enjoy doing YOUR thing! > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > >randmingold at hotkey.net.au > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From todengine at zoominternet.net Tue Feb 15 12:38:56 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:38:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston References: <0uq311pj01ngdkt8mncqc36a32esu72sgq@4ax.com> Message-ID: <002001c5139e$5ebd4530$40c19a18@pengy> Hey I can cast an iron piston for you!!! Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works 100 South Bridge Street Bldg. F Struthers, OH 44471 330-728-2799 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Scales" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Making a piston > In message , Richard Strobel > writes >>Not familiar with "Meehanite" and dictionary.com doesn't either....or am I >>fallin' into something >> >>Rick > > No, it's legit. www.meehanite.com - basically it's a very high quality > fine-grained cast iron. > > Pete > > -- > Peter Scales > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Feb 15 13:45:28 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:45:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks-Morse In-Reply-To: <42124C8B.000003.00552@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: Hi Nick, The SEL doesn't take photos/attachments. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================= >From: "nick" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks-Morse >Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:24:59 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) > > Hi i have a 1 1/2 Hp Z type with spoked flywheels tried to send a >photo but can not get it down to post limit of 15Kb and hear is where i >live >nick > >Nick Holden >Banbury >Oxfordshire (UK) From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 15 15:44:18 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:44:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant Update Message-ID: <00b201c513b8$46edd8b0$230110ac@PAUL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:18 PM Subject: Waiting -- > Hello Paul, > Was waiting to hear if Charlie had been transferred to the Rehab but will > get few lines off to let you know I talked with him about 8 AM today. He > had a good night's sleep. Food is beginning to taste good to him. He has > been accepted to go to Rehab--not far from MA. Gen. as soon as a bed is > available. I have been away today so tried to call him few minutes ago. > No answer--could be he was taking a walk--or maybe he has been > transferred. As soon as I find out, I will send his address and Room # > > It's answered prayer he is feeling much better!! Who ever thought a week > ago ,he would be ready to move out! Thanks for praying! > Lois > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Feb 15 16:33:18 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:33:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200502160033.j1G0XL9L021701@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > In the blabber mode this a.m. but how do ya'll handle it > when two of ya > find a NICE engine together? 50/50 has never worked for me and in my > younger days it caused a lot of problems and now that I'm smarter and > wiser?????????, I'd like to stay away from the 50/50 ownership. > > So how do ya'll handle this? Flip a coin? Heya Rick, Why not let your buddy have first crack at it? Sometimes I've let other guys get the iron, even when I wanted it; and by the same token, others have very generously turned me on to loose on the old iron. What comes around goes around... Rob From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Feb 15 16:52:13 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:52:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines In-Reply-To: <200502160033.j1G0XL9L021701@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502160033.j1G0XL9L021701@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: > Heya Rick, > Why not let your buddy have first crack at it? Sometimes I've let > other guys > get the iron, even when I wanted it; and by the same token, others > have very > generously turned me on to loose on the old iron. What comes around > goes > around... I'd let any of y'all have first crack at it if something turned up we both liked. Something else'll turn up. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 15 16:59:21 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:59:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines References: <20050215.104457.1052.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <007f01c513c2$c0b1fb40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> George is right on the money there is a certain amount of common sense and etiquette involved in not stepping on any toes in a mad rush to buy your next hopeless wreck . The only reason I can see to share an engine is if both of you can barely scrape together the dough to buy it. I did this once with an Indian , and again with a hydroplane . Both proved to be lucrative investments and ruled the roost in the cool dept but I like to never got my money out of the deal . I have given several engines to a nameless , shoeless , friend . I then go over and make sure Mr HamFist doesnt reduce it dust ,fab parts,dig stuff out of my junk , drink his rum , eat his Soddom and GomorrahStyle ? Pork Ribs , and hunt dove from the hot tub.Fair trade , feels good too . Chuck From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 15 17:16:59 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:16:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines References: <200502160033.j1G0XL9L021701@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <008f01c513c5$37548c20$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> What comes around goes > around... > > Rob Yeah.........thats it !!!! From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Tue Feb 15 17:43:02 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:43:02 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines References: <200502160033.j1G0XL9L021701@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <01da01c513c8$dbd78a10$0ad50304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> I share quite a few engines with my wife and it works great. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Tue Feb 15 18:45:49 2005 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:45:49 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re:Ideal Message-ID: <20050216024549.50375.qmail@web41125.mail.yahoo.com> G'day Joe Not a chance, mate! You keep battling away with that Ideal. The best restorations are when you start rough. Just let us know when the pictures are up :-) Cheers Graham in Oz Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:44:16 -0500 From: Joseph L Betz Subject: [SEL] IDEAL Hi List, The other day, I decided to take a whack at getting the IDEAL apart again. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Tue Feb 15 18:51:50 2005 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:51:50 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] RE:Home workshops & equipment Message-ID: <20050216025150.46819.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Reg Just one little thing you forgot...add "and don't wait too long to do it" (i.e don't wait till retirement)! Graham, Oz Message: 10 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:15:16 +1100 From: "Reg Ingold" Subject: Re: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment Moral? Get in there and enjoy doing YOUR thing! Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Feb 15 18:50:42 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:50:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines Message-ID: <20050215.222619.1360.9.jlb94@juno.com> I think sharin' generally works between 2 men. But if one puts in a lot of work - or a lot of money - and who's storing it - hauling it - maintaining it. Men can usually work this out. In my experience - (And please - I don't wish to hurt feelings. ) When women get involved and start feeling that "Harry" put up most of the money - and hauls it - and maintains it - and he should have the first - or whatever - etc - etc - etc - Then comes the problems. Excuse me while I pry foot out of mouth. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Feb 15 18:39:16 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:39:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines Message-ID: <20050215.222619.1360.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Joe, Sorta like with wives? 8->>> = = = = = = = Ohhhhh - The thought of it all !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rwenig at telus.net Tue Feb 15 19:31:08 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:31:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks-Morse In-Reply-To: <42124C8B.000003.00552@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> References: <42124C8B.000003.00552@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <4212BE7C.9040909@telus.net> Hello Nick, I would like to see it. Try sending to me at and I'll post it where everyone can go have a look. Rupert nick wrote: > Hi i have a 1 1/2 Hp Z type with spoked flywheels tried to send a > > photo but can not get it down to post limit of 15Kb and hear is where i live > nick > > > > Nick Holden > > Banbury > > Oxfordshire (UK) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rexhinz at chorus.net Tue Feb 15 19:45:37 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:45:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines References: <20050215.222619.1360.9.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <000701c513d9$fc7193e0$1886a5d8@mycomputer> OH BOY JOE ! YOUR IN TROUBLE NOW! Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sharin' engines > I think sharin' generally works between 2 men. > > But if one puts in a lot of work - or a lot of money - and who's storing > it - > hauling it - maintaining it. Men can usually work this out. > > In my experience - (And please - I don't wish to hurt feelings. ) When > women get involved and start feeling that "Harry" put up most of the > money - and hauls it - and maintains it - and he should have the first - > or whatever - etc - etc - etc - Then comes the problems. > > Excuse me while I pry foot out of mouth. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - > \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Feb 15 18:39:16 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:39:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines Message-ID: <20050215.224452.1324.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Joe, Sorta like with wives? 8->>> = = = = = = = Ohhhhh - The thought of it all !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Feb 15 18:50:42 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:50:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines Message-ID: <20050215.224452.1324.5.jlb94@juno.com> I think sharin' generally works between 2 men. But if one puts in a lot of work - or a lot of money - and who's storing it - hauling it - maintaining it. Men can usually work this out. In my experience - (And please - I don't wish to hurt feelings. ) When women get involved and start feeling that "Harry" put up most of the money - and hauls it - and maintains it - and he should have the first - or whatever - etc - etc - etc - Then comes the problems. Excuse me while I pry foot out of mouth. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Feb 15 19:50:42 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:50:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] A nice pair of engines Message-ID: <200502160350.j1G3ocdZ016866@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Here are some pics of a pair of Crossleys recently finished by a couple of engine mates: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/pscrossleyfin.html They run as good as they look. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Feb 15 20:20:00 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:20:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines In-Reply-To: <007f01c513c2$c0b1fb40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <20050215.104457.1052.5.jlb94@juno.com> <007f01c513c2$c0b1fb40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050215231836.02598aa0@mail.alltel.net> > I did this once with an Indian > >Chuck I didn't know any Indians were into antique engines. Dvae From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Feb 15 21:21:39 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:21:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines In-Reply-To: <20050215.224452.1324.5.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050215.224452.1324.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <4212D863.6000201@earthlink.net> You make a good point about sharing Joe. Who put up the most money, hauls it, maintains it, etc. Been there and done that with something other than engines, and it don't work. I will admit that some ( note I said some) women can cause problems like this. Same ones that blame you when their hubby comes home drunk, cause he don't drink. Been there too!! Jeff Allen Joseph L Betz wrote: >I think sharin' generally works between 2 men. > >But if one puts in a lot of work - or a lot of money - and who's storing >it - >hauling it - maintaining it. Men can usually work this out. > >In my experience - (And please - I don't wish to hurt feelings. ) When >women get involved and start feeling that "Harry" put up most of the >money - and hauls it - and maintains it - and he should have the first - >or whatever - etc - etc - etc - Then comes the problems. > >Excuse me while I pry foot out of mouth. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - > \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Feb 15 21:31:12 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:31:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] ATIS auction proceeds Message-ID: <4212DAA0.9000504@earthlink.net> Hi all, I remember a couple engine show sites/venues that were hit by mother nature last year. One was flooded, and I think the other had large wind problems that are also called tornadoes. Could someone bring stooopid me up to speed on this? Think they are great candidates for part of the auction proceeds. Jeff Allen PS, Not trying to rush it Spencer. Just want to have a worthy nomination for the funds. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Feb 15 23:53:14 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:53:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] RE:Home workshops & equipment References: <20050216025150.46819.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <019c01c513fd$909589a0$06111bd3@reg> So, who's perfect? VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Harris" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 1:51 PM Subject: [SEL] RE:Home workshops & equipment > Hi Reg > > Just one little thing you forgot...add "and don't wait > too long to do it" (i.e don't wait till retirement)! > > Graham, Oz > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:15:16 +1100 > From: "Reg Ingold" > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & > Equipment > > Moral? Get in there and enjoy doing YOUR thing! > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed Feb 16 00:08:37 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:08:37 +1100 Subject: [SEL] A nice pair of engines References: <200502160350.j1G3ocdZ016866@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001801c513ff$307cca40$283354d2@cam> A very nice pair of engines Patrick. A nice restoration. Cam. Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:50 PM Subject: [SEL] A nice pair of engines > Here are some pics of a pair of Crossleys recently finished by a couple of > engine mates: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/pscrossleyfin.html > They run as good as they look. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Wed Feb 9 10:37:41 2005 From: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:37:41 Subject: [SEL] RUSTY RUNS Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050209103741.009ba228@127.0.0.1> Hi All, At about 12.30 am (Central African Time) on 15 February 2005 "Rusty" (my 1949 Ruston & Hornsby PT - ) coughed and spluttered his way back to life. This followed about 10 minutes of cranking and then about half an hour of "cranking and cussing" then another half an hour of "cussing and cranking" (notice that the "cussing" in the 2nd half hour took precedence). Thereafter I decided to use Justin Ludewig's philosophy and explained to "Rusty" in no uncertain terms that he was destined to become "just another few kilogrammes of molten metal at that big furnace in Vanderbijlpark" (ISCOR or The South African Iron And Steel CORporation for those of you not local). When he realised that I was serious - he suddenly sprang to life and ran beautifully for about 3 hours (using about 300 ml of petrol per hour - which is much slower than the rate at which I consume "Brandy & Coke" when I am excited.) He ran beautifully - about 500 rpm - never missing a beat. His sound, initially, was very quiet (almost like the hissing of my Broom & Wade Compressor) Or like a "Poofter" farting - "poof" - "poof" - "poof". I discovered that his silencer (original Ruston & Hornsby) was totally clogged up and that he was only "farting" through 1 hole. After cleaning the other 3 holes he really started sounding like an engine and ran for the rest of of the time without a hiccup. He boiled the water in his tank ( a smallish fire extinguisher bottle) after 2 hours so I stuck the hosepipe in and slowly ran cold water into the tank which brought things back to normal. I ran out of Brandy before he ran out of petrol so stopped him and proceeded to write this mail. Best regards Jerry Evans Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Tel. +27 16 365-5787 --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Feb 16 02:08:41 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:08:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] RUSTY RUNS References: <3.0.6.32.20050209103741.009ba228@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <004001c5140f$7de85410$1ca11dd3@morris> G'Day Jerry Well done, it is great to get one going for the first time. Were there any/many South African engine manufactures, as the only ones I have seen are English. You or George or any other SA members might like to tell us about any South African engine manufactures. All the best Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ > Hi All, > At about 12.30 am (Central African Time) on 15 February 2005 "Rusty" (my > 1949 Ruston & Hornsby PT - ) > coughed and spluttered his way back to life. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 14/02/2005 From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed Feb 16 02:26:34 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:26:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] RUSTY RUNS References: <3.0.6.32.20050209103741.009ba228@127.0.0.1> <004001c5140f$7de85410$1ca11dd3@morris> Message-ID: <003a01c51411$fd961c40$283354d2@cam> Hi Jerry Goodonya Mate that's about the best description of a first time run I've seen, hope you have a lot of fun with it. Good feeling aint it. Have another Brandy on your success. catchya Cam. Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] RUSTY RUNS > G'Day Jerry > > Well done, it is great to get one going for the first time. > Were there any/many South African engine manufactures, as the only ones I > have seen are English. > You or George or any other SA members might like to tell us about any South > African engine manufactures. > All the best > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow NSW OZ > > > > > > Hi All, > > At about 12.30 am (Central African Time) on 15 February 2005 "Rusty" (my > > 1949 Ruston & Hornsby PT - ) > > coughed and spluttered his way back to life. > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 14/02/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Feb 16 05:09:43 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:09:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston References: <0uq311pj01ngdkt8mncqc36a32esu72sgq@4ax.com> <002001c5139e$5ebd4530$40c19a18@pengy> Message-ID: You'll get my business when I need casting done Rick. Machinist bud was just wondering about steel. Thanx Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Making a piston > Hey I can cast an iron piston for you!!! > > Rick Rowlands > Tod Engine Works > 100 South Bridge Street Bldg. F > Struthers, OH 44471 > 330-728-2799 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Scales" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:59 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Making a piston > > > > In message , Richard Strobel > > writes > >>Not familiar with "Meehanite" and dictionary.com doesn't either....or am > >>I > >>fallin' into something > >> > >>Rick > > > > No, it's legit. www.meehanite.com - basically it's a very high quality > > fine-grained cast iron. > > > > Pete > > > > -- > > Peter Scales > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Feb 16 05:49:49 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:49:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A nice pair of engines References: <200502160350.j1G3ocdZ016866@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Thanx for sharing, Patrick. Just learned that droul can freeze up a keyboard "Only in my Dreams" RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:50 PM Subject: [SEL] A nice pair of engines > Here are some pics of a pair of Crossleys recently finished by a couple of > engine mates: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/pscrossleyfin.html > They run as good as they look. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Feb 16 06:16:42 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:16:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine in Oz Message-ID: Hi Folks, This question from the Wizard of Oz... Reply direct to Pete at plowe at ceinternet.com.au as he isn't on the SEL at present. ========================================= Hi mate Can you please pass this email and link onto ATIS Regards Peter Hi all Here is a link the a page on this engine I am trying to identify Anyone Know ????????????????????????????? http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/R&Vwebsite/mystery%20engine.htm Regards Peter, oz From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 16 06:56:56 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:56:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18462.165.206.180.118.1108565816.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Yes, it is off topic, but it does have an engine which much of the time will be stationary as I don't want to rack up much mileage on the 24,050 it has now. At roughly 340 hp, it should run the grinder or power hacksaw ok................ http://www.antique-engines.com/javelin-photos.asp It's home and resting comfortably. Waiting for a few fixer-upper parts (heater blower motor, etc) Bill Dickerson chilly Runnells, Iowa From falcon at telenet.net Wed Feb 16 08:06:05 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:06:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) References: <18462.165.206.180.118.1108565816.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <000201c51441$e2af5ba0$975c14d0@net.telenet.net> NICE, Yes you can add an electric choke to that carb. I think Jegs or Yogis have the kits. Coil looks OK but the wiring..... How close to sticker price did you pay? Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:56 AM Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) > Yes, it is off topic, but it does have an engine which much of the time > will be stationary as I don't want to rack up much mileage on the 24,050 > it has now. > > At roughly 340 hp, it should run the grinder or power hacksaw > ok................ > > http://www.antique-engines.com/javelin-photos.asp > > It's home and resting comfortably. Waiting for a few fixer-upper parts > (heater blower motor, etc) > > Bill Dickerson > chilly Runnells, Iowa > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 16 09:03:39 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:03:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: <000201c51441$e2af5ba0$975c14d0@net.telenet.net> References: <18462.165.206.180.118.1108565816.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <000201c51441$e2af5ba0$975c14d0@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <20107.165.206.180.118.1108573419.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Agreed on the coil wiring - cheap crimp on ends, it WILL be replaced with a more professional wiring job. Similar for the dealer installed rear window defogger - the switch is below dash with nasty looking wiring job. Well, about 2.5 times................ plus the parts I'm gathering for the restoration and fixin' up........... picked up a group 19 dual point distributor for it (meaning it was a factory performance option) MAY convert to electronic, however. The worst part will probably be getting the headliner replaced/repaired. The fabric has sagged from the backing - a common problem with those early ones. Common, heck, almost ALL did it. Bill > NICE, > > Yes you can add an electric choke to that carb. I think Jegs or Yogis > have the kits. > > Coil looks OK but the wiring..... > > How close to sticker price did you pay? > > Steve Williams > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:56 AM > Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) > > >> Yes, it is off topic, but it does have an engine which much of the > time >> will be stationary as I don't want to rack up much mileage on the > 24,050 >> it has now. >> >> At roughly 340 hp, it should run the grinder or power hacksaw >> ok................ >> >> http://www.antique-engines.com/javelin-photos.asp >> >> It's home and resting comfortably. Waiting for a few fixer-upper parts >> (heater blower motor, etc) >> >> Bill Dickerson >> chilly Runnells, Iowa >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Feb 16 09:10:31 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:10:31 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) Message-ID: > > Yes, it is off topic, but it does have an engine which much of the > time > > will be stationary as I don't want to rack up much mileage on the > 24,050 > > it has now. Just unhook the speedo cable like the previous owners did ;-) George From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 16 10:10:02 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:10:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20625.165.206.180.118.1108577402.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Yeah - and I would have thought that except for the receipts, invoices, etc. showing a pretty complete history - plus the condition of most parts, including original exhaust system......... I did question the history. It sat for 12 years shortly after the original owner bought it. Then a collector bought it, and the last fellow kept it on a trailer most of the time. Me... it's just too much fun to drive this baby! But with 3.9:1 or so rear end it won't go on any road trips! Yikes! 3500 rpm just to keep up with slow traffic! And with the drone of the engine running that speed.......... > > Just unhook the speedo cable like the previous owners did ;-) > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nick at holden1.net Wed Feb 16 10:27:33 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:27:33 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Photos Message-ID: <42139095.00000B.00888@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Thanks to Bo and Rupert for the offered help with the photos of my Fairbanks Morse you will be able to see them soon nick Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Feb 16 14:25:08 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:25:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines References: <200502160033.j1G0XL9L021701@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <01da01c513c8$dbd78a10$0ad50304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <4213C844.79A4238D@insulate.co.uk> Jim and Diane wrote: > I share quite a few engines with my wife and it works great. Hi Jim We'd go along with that. I have a couple of engines which are "mine" - at least, I take the credit for them and Jim gets them running etc. Jim also says he's in a great position when it comes to sharing engines. So's his twin brother, Andy. Another bonus of being a twin!! Every engine which is "Andy's" or "Jim's" can equally belong to the other brother!!! Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 14/02/2005 From todengine at zoominternet.net Wed Feb 16 14:37:28 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:37:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Gear Ratio Advice-Driving the Tod Engine References: <42139095.00000B.00888@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <02d601c51478$18290660$40c19a18@pengy> I'm trying to come up with some way to eventually drive the Tod engine with electric, since steam is out of the question and air also isn't practical or economical. I think I may have found a way to use a piece of equipment on hand. In the former Youngstown Sheet and Tube 9" bar mill building is a homemade scrap baler, a machine that would coil up scrap wire from a rolling mill into a big roll that would then be fed back to the furnaces to remelt. I think the baler's electric drive would work to run the Tod with some modification. First, I would like to be able to operate the Tod at about 12 rpm. The operating speed for the engine was 75 rpm, but thats way too fast for just display. Plus we are looking at over 150 tons of revolving and reciprocating mass so I don't want to get it moving too fast! I think 12 rpm gives it enough speed to be interesting to watch but slow enough to make me feel safe running it. The scrap baler has a 15 hp 230 VDC motor which has a nameplate speed of between 400 to 1600 rpm. It drives a huge gear reducer which has a nameplate input speed of 1200 and says is designed for 18.9 which I interpret as being an 18.9 to 1 reduction. Then the drive shaft goes to a 15 tooth pinion driving a 50 tooth spur gear. So assuming a motor speed of 1200 rpm I come up with 63.5 rpm out of the reducer then by dividing the number of teeth in the spur gear by the pinion I come up with 3.33 or 3.33 to 1 ratio. 63.5 divided by 3.33 is 19 rpm. Now my option is to just leave it at that and adjust the motor speed to get my 12 rpm or I could put another set of gears with a 1.5 to 1 ratio to get 12.66 rpm. I like the second option as I have no idea how many amps and horsepower it will take to get 150 tons moving from a dead stop, and the more reduction in the drive train the more mechanical advantage the motor has. Now I ask the advice of anyone who has some mathematical background to check my figures. Am I on target with my calculations or have I gone way off? Math is not my strong suit by a long shot! Will this idea of mine work?? I like the idea of using the scrap baler drive for the following reasons. First it was homebuilt by Youngstown Sheet and Tube and is about as old as the Tod so it fits in. I didn't want a modern AC motor and gearbox that would look completely out of place. Second I really like the old type DC electrical equipment that was universally used in the mills. The drive would be a mini exhibit in itself of old style DC power with barrel controllers, resistor grids and those big old loud contactors. There is a practically unlimited amount of DC electrical equipment around for me to assemble a control system. The third reason is that its free! I set up a new album with photos of the scrap baler at: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine There is a spare DC motor on a platform above the motor in the pics. At 15 hp they draw 50 amps! Geez!! Probably spike way up when starting to turn the engine but fall way back after it gets spinning. We may someday get a DC overhead crane for the display building so I'll have to set up a way of making the DC. I do have a rectifier with the capacity to handle the loads or I could go with a motor generator set. Hmm, maybe a steam driven DC generator set? Maybe both. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From ELIDAS at aol.com Wed Feb 16 15:05:32 2005 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:05:32 EST Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) Message-ID: In a message dated 2/16/2005 12:20:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bill at antique-engines.com writes: http://www.antique-engines.com/javelin-photos.asp Very nice!! From another AMC guy. Mike Semanoff Waterbury,CT From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Feb 16 16:08:45 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:08:45 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder Message-ID: <009301c51484$da050d90$8c9f0952@no1> Passed on from the UK engine list. Very nice but way over my price range. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69826&item=6511821299&rd=1 Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Feb 16 16:31:51 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 01:31:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder References: <009301c51484$da050d90$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: <000b01c51488$12d3b7e0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Sure it's a little wonder, but starting at $3300.00 is way to much. (for me). John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Passed on from the UK engine list. > Very nice but way over my price range. > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69826&item=6511821299&rd=1 > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From brianne at ultratune.com.au Wed Feb 16 17:06:13 2005 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:06:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 11, Issue 15 References: <200502151100.j1FB09lC003481@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <00a901c5148c$e09ab760$b9c4dccb@pcuser> Hi Edd Thanks for your reply, I do not know what size we need as I am new to all this. We just want to run it as a demo on occasions, not real work. I guess approx 6" dia? would suffice. The pulley we are driving is approx that size on a hopper fed screw type grinder/cutter. What are your thoughts? Brian Brian Taylor Hervey Bay Historical Museum 13 Zephyr St..Scarness Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html >I can probably help with an original.What dia are you after as they come in several sizes.Give me a call ,my phone#is at the bottom of my address.Or reply of list. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Feb 16 17:15:24 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:15:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder In-Reply-To: <000b01c51488$12d3b7e0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200502170116.j1H1G4Vs082223@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Way too pricey. There are so many things wrong with this engine I do not know where to begin! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- > Passed on from the UK engine list. > Very nice but way over my price range. > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69826&item=65118212 99&rd=1 > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From clemsweller at earthlink.net Wed Feb 16 19:32:52 2005 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:32:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: <20107.165.206.180.118.1108573419.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <000001c514a1$63179ff0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Nice set of wheels! Chuck -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill at antique-engines.com Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 12:04 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) Agreed on the coil wiring - cheap crimp on ends, it WILL be replaced with a more professional wiring job. Similar for the dealer installed rear window defogger - the switch is below dash with nasty looking wiring job. Well, about 2.5 times................ plus the parts I'm gathering for the restoration and fixin' up........... picked up a group 19 dual point distributor for it (meaning it was a factory performance option) MAY convert to electronic, however. The worst part will probably be getting the headliner replaced/repaired. The fabric has sagged from the backing - a common problem with those early ones. Common, heck, almost ALL did it. Bill > NICE, > > Yes you can add an electric choke to that carb. I think Jegs or Yogis > have the kits. > > Coil looks OK but the wiring..... > > How close to sticker price did you pay? > > Steve Williams > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:56 AM > Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) > > >> Yes, it is off topic, but it does have an engine which much of the > time >> will be stationary as I don't want to rack up much mileage on the > 24,050 >> it has now. >> >> At roughly 340 hp, it should run the grinder or power hacksaw >> ok................ >> >> http://www.antique-engines.com/javelin-photos.asp >> >> It's home and resting comfortably. Waiting for a few fixer-upper parts >> (heater blower motor, etc) >> >> Bill Dickerson >> chilly Runnells, Iowa >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Feb 16 20:02:31 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:02:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: <18462.165.206.180.118.1108565816.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <18462.165.206.180.118.1108565816.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <42141757.7000508@earthlink.net> Bill, That is one sweet looking machine. Please define restore for me. It don't need it. Just a little TLC and it's there. Do a little research and bring it back to original. Lose the crap carb and coil cause I don't think they belong. Forget about dual point and go with lectronic ignition. I'm sure it's available. Dual point is a pain unless you have a distributer machine if you remember them. Sure brings back some memories for me. Me thinks you should not let it rest. See how fast you can make slicks out of the rear tires. Hope you remember how to handle it when it wants to swap ends. Counter steer, keep it on the floor, and grin. Drooling in chilly Colorado, Jeff SWEET CAR! bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >Yes, it is off topic, but it does have an engine which much of the time >will be stationary as I don't want to rack up much mileage on the 24,050 >it has now. > >At roughly 340 hp, it should run the grinder or power hacksaw >ok................ > >http://www.antique-engines.com/javelin-photos.asp > >It's home and resting comfortably. Waiting for a few fixer-upper parts >(heater blower motor, etc) > >Bill Dickerson >chilly Runnells, Iowa >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Feb 16 06:57:42 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:57:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards Message-ID: Anyone out there design business cards with H&M engine? Helen did one for me several years ago but it had too many colors. Spud and I both need them. Our artistic skills are zip, zilch. Thanx!! RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Feb 16 23:57:55 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:57:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder References: <009301c51484$da050d90$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: <029201c514c7$8665e7c0$6c0d1bd3@reg> Makes ya wonder what my mailbox is getting to!! VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:08 AM Subject: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder > Passed on from the UK engine list. > Very nice but way over my price range. > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69826&item=6511821299&rd=1 > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Thu Feb 17 01:19:40 2005 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:19:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder References: <200502170116.j1H1G4Vs082223@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <005101c514d1$d0348370$0301a8c0@Young1203> Hi Patrick, as an owner of one of these little critters I reckon the price is about right! However if I was buying, I would agree that its way too dear for an engine which has a few things which don't look original too me. My engine - age unknown, but probably pre 1920 - has original paint and pinstripping. Paint on base and cylinder is dark green with thin yellow stripping and red flywheels. Michael Young Waratah Scientific Services Mining Environmental & Geological Services 5 Beech Crescent, Orange, NSW, 2800 Phone: 02 6361 0041 Mobile: 0414 015 864 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:15 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder > Way too pricey. There are so many things wrong with this engine I do not > know where to begin! > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > -----Original Message----- > > > Passed on from the UK engine list. > > Very nice but way over my price range. > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69826&item=65118212 > 99&rd=1 > > Dave Croft > > Warrington > > England > > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Thu Feb 17 01:40:51 2005 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:40:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards References: Message-ID: <005801c514d4$c6164e20$0301a8c0@Young1203> Hi, I have made cards for myself and its easy. MS publisher has heaps of templates which you can use with space to drop in a pic of your favourite toy. Print them out on pre perforated cardboard that you can buy. If you have probls send me your details and I'll make one just for the heck of it. Michael Young Waratah Scientific Services Mining Environmental & Geological Services 5 Beech Crescent, Orange, NSW, 2800 Phone: 02 6361 0041 Mobile: 0414 015 864 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:57 AM Subject: [SEL] Business Cards > Anyone out there design business cards with H&M engine? Helen did one for > me several years ago but it had too many colors. Spud and I both need them. > Our artistic skills are zip, zilch. > > Thanx!! > RickinMt. > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Feb 17 01:45:55 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:45:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder In-Reply-To: <005101c514d1$d0348370$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <200502170945.j1H9jmuj031451@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> At the current exchange rate the engine is at AU$4205. I could buy a nice restored open crank engine for less than that! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Patrick, as an owner of one of these little critters I reckon the price is about right! However if I was buying, I would agree that its way too dear for an engine which has a few things which don't look original too me. My engine - age unknown, but probably pre 1920 - has original paint and pinstripping. Paint on base and cylinder is dark green with thin yellow stripping and red flywheels. Michael Young From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Feb 17 03:52:15 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:52:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder References: <009301c51484$da050d90$8c9f0952@no1> <029201c514c7$8665e7c0$6c0d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: <007401c514e7$2112ac80$703354d2@cam> Crikey Reg you've got the most expensive letter box in the World. Catchya Cam Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder > Makes ya wonder what my mailbox is getting to!! VBG > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Croft" > To: "atis" > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:08 AM > Subject: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder > > > > Passed on from the UK engine list. > > Very nice but way over my price range. > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69826&item=6511821299&rd=1 > > Dave Croft > > Warrington > > England > > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Feb 17 05:00:17 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 05:00:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: <42141757.7000508@earthlink.net> References: <18462.165.206.180.118.1108565816.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42141757.7000508@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <32435.165.206.180.118.1108645217.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Well, Jeff - to me restore is to put back into a condition that reflects what it could have been like when it was new. That means to be equipped as the factory did, and any options be period options or dealer or factory options. That being said, the high-output Mallory coil IS a "group 19" factory option. Well, it's an option listed by the factory with a factory part number but was dealer installed. Same for the R4B aluminum intake (made by Edelbrock for AMC with AMC part number). The carb, however WAS changed later - it may have been equipped with a good Holley carb. Someone in the 90's put the Edelbrock on. It's jetted and calibrated for high performance street applications. Eventually, when I can afford, I'll attempt to find a good Holley, but those are expensive and tougher to jet and maintain. The dual point setup was also a group 19 option and those cars often were equipped with them. I may indeed go to a Pentronix sort of setup - electronic but make NO mods to the distributor appearance. You see only a box on the fender. I'm thinking of removing the white guard strips someone added along the sides of the car at some point. They break up the lines of the car and interfere with the rally stripe setup. Besides, one came off anyway. The vinyl top was replaced in about 1992 and is in good shape. Original trunk mat is there and trunk has original spatter finish and space-saver spare. I found out that this car requires 91 octane or better gas - there goes the wallet........... it's a higher compression engine. Got a pair of free-flow exhaust manifolds coming for it from a 71. May opt for the Trendsetter sidepipe option (also an option for this car) There are outfits making them again. It needs new carpet (faded and very discolored), the headliner as I mentioned is sagging, the dash overlay is coming loose near the glovebox. There are a couple of small tears at the seams in the seat on the drivers seat. There is indication that rust is starting behind the rear wheels at the bottom edge of the quarter panels. The radiator is clean inside, transmission was rebuilt about 1,000 miles ago (seals and rings had hardened), it's got torque links - rare for a Javelin, a regular thing for an AMX. (those prevent rear spring wind up and allow these to pull the front wheels up) Dealer option tissue dispenser, dealer installed rally pack gauges, dealer installed rear window defog option, factory 8 track, Go pack 140mph spedo (yeah, right with a low gear rear end!) and tach, heavy-duty cooling system. I'll be looking for a pair of Tung Sol headlights for it. That was the original brand used. Needs a blower motor really bad, otherwise no heat or defrost! BRRRR. So looking for a good used blower motor for an AMC with A/C Otherwise, a person could simply drive it now...... I'll be taking more photos and posting them soon. Yes, TLC is really what it needs, there isn't much major to do. Bill > Bill, > > That is one sweet looking machine. Please define restore for me. It > don't need it. Just a little TLC and it's there. > > Do a little research and bring it back to original. Lose the crap carb > and coil cause I don't think they belong. Forget about dual point and go > with lectronic ignition. I'm sure it's available. Dual point is a pain > unless you have a distributer machine if you remember them. > > Sure brings back some memories for me. Me thinks you should not let it > rest. See how fast you can make slicks out of the rear tires. Hope you > remember how to handle it when it wants to swap ends. Counter steer, > keep it on the floor, and grin. > > Drooling in chilly Colorado, > > Jeff > > SWEET CAR! > > bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > >>Yes, it is off topic, but it does have an engine which much of the time >>will be stationary as I don't want to rack up much mileage on the 24,050 >>it has now. >> >>At roughly 340 hp, it should run the grinder or power hacksaw >>ok................ >> >>http://www.antique-engines.com/javelin-photos.asp >> >>It's home and resting comfortably. Waiting for a few fixer-upper parts >>(heater blower motor, etc) >> >>Bill Dickerson >>chilly Runnells, Iowa >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Feb 17 05:09:51 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:09:51 EST Subject: [SEL] Business Cards Message-ID: <1f1.35985dfb.2f45f19f@aol.com> In a message dated 2/17/2005 2:53:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << Anyone out there design business cards with H&M engine? >> Rick, I make mine using Print Artist and put in a photo of my 1/2 New Holland engine on it. Also use preforated card stock from the office supply company. Wife makes lots of greeting cards on this software too. If I can do it, you certainly can! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 17 05:28:42 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:28:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050217082453.026b28f8@mail.alltel.net> Just take a picture (side view) of the engine that you want on the card to somewhere that prints (or takes orders) business cards. They can decrease the size and use it for your cards. Dave PS, Lots of them in the bible will work just fine. At 09:57 AM 2/16/2005, you wrote: >Anyone out there design business cards with H&M engine? Helen did one for >me several years ago but it had too many colors. Spud and I both need them. >Our artistic skills are zip, zilch. > >Thanx!! >RickinMt. >http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Thu Feb 17 05:29:56 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:29:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) References: <18462.165.206.180.118.1108565816.squirrel@antique-engines.com><42141757.7000508@earthlink.net> <32435.165.206.180.118.1108645217.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <002b01c514f4$c5d9fae0$8d1117d1@net.telenet.net> Bill, On the blower motor, I would suspect that is a common motor that was installed in an AMC specific plate mount. Might be possible to swap it out with a more common one, like from a GM product. It looks a LOT like the one I have for my Starfire. Maybe just swap out the guts? Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) > > Needs a blower motor really bad, otherwise no heat or defrost! BRRRR. So > looking for a good used blower motor for an AMC with A/C > > Otherwise, a person could simply drive it now...... > > I'll be taking more photos and posting them soon. > > Yes, TLC is really what it needs, there isn't much major to do. > > Bill > > > Bill, From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Feb 17 06:01:30 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:01:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards References: Message-ID: <002f01c514f9$2efd6da0$14b6f504@x8h7l9> Rick, I made mine using WordPerfect. You could probably use Word too. It has a graphic of a FMZ and color border. I print them on 8 1/2 X 11 photo paper on the HP inkjet 10 up and spray them with Rustolium Clear Matt it fix the inkjet color. I spray both sides to keep them from curling. When the clear coat is dry, I cut them up on the paper cutter. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:57 AM Subject: [SEL] Business Cards > Anyone out there design business cards with H&M engine? Helen did one for > me several years ago but it had too many colors. Spud and I both need them. > Our artistic skills are zip, zilch. > > Thanx!! > RickinMt. > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Feb 17 06:01:07 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 06:01:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <1f1.35985dfb.2f45f19f@aol.com> References: <1f1.35985dfb.2f45f19f@aol.com> Message-ID: <33286.165.206.180.118.1108648867.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Agreed - I use MS publisher and made thousands of business cards for the shop and ourselves over the years. For about 6 bucks you can get a package of business card stock - even fancy colors and designs if you want. Some have American flag background, etc. or add your own background. Use a scan or a digital photo, works SLICK and easy. Bill > In a message dated 2/17/2005 2:53:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > > << Anyone out there design business cards with H&M engine? >> > > Rick, > > I make mine using Print Artist and put in a photo of my 1/2 New Holland > engine on it. Also use preforated card stock from the office supply > company. Wife > makes lots of greeting cards on this software too. If I can do it, you > certainly can! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 17 07:42:51 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:42:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <33286.165.206.180.118.1108648867.squirrel@antique-engines. com> References: <1f1.35985dfb.2f45f19f@aol.com> <33286.165.206.180.118.1108648867.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050217103835.02701d60@mail.alltel.net> At 09:01 AM 2/17/2005, you wrote: >Agreed - I use MS publisher and made thousands of business cards for the >shop and ourselves over the years. >For about 6 bucks you can get a package of business card stock - even >fancy colors and designs if you want. Some have American flag background, >etc. or add your own background. >Use a scan or a digital photo, works SLICK and easy. >Bill What I've found over the years is that business cards made on a computer look like------well, they look like they are made on a computer. I can get 1,000 business cards printed professionally for under $30.00---and they DON'T look like some kid made them on a computer! Dave PS, Add up all your expenses (paper, ink, etc.) and your time and I'll bet I've got a better deal--and a hell of a lot better looking card! From driggars at earthlink.net Thu Feb 17 08:39:35 2005 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:39:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards References: <1f1.35985dfb.2f45f19f@aol.com><33286.165.206.180.118.1108648867.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050217103835.02701d60@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <00d101c5150f$4514a200$6e408304@clinton> dave hummm, I dont know, I have been printing mine for a few years now and my looks just like a professional done them, no added charges for special colors, adding photos, etc. I use a program called Buisness Card Designer Plus 2000 I have been very satisfioed with the results, what I really like about doing my own cards is I do not have to do so many at a time, I can print up whatever amount I want and if I decide to change something I can do so in 5 minutes and print different cards and not have to use up a 1000, etc Clint > At 09:01 AM 2/17/2005, you wrote: > >Agreed - I use MS publisher and made thousands of business cards for the > >shop and ourselves over the years. > >For about 6 bucks you can get a package of business card stock - even > >fancy colors and designs if you want. Some have American flag background, > >etc. or add your own background. > >Use a scan or a digital photo, works SLICK and easy. > >Bill > > What I've found over the years is that business cards made on a computer > look like------well, they look like they are made on a computer. I can get > 1,000 business cards printed professionally for under $30.00---and they > DON'T look like some kid made them on a computer! > Dave > PS, Add up all your expenses (paper, ink, etc.) and your time and I'll bet > I've got a better deal--and a hell of a lot better looking card! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Thu Feb 17 08:46:13 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:46:13 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards Message-ID: Buying 1000 cards may be the cheaper way to go, but printing your own has a few advantages. Printing your own cards in small batches lets you have multiple designs which can target specific engines. For example you could make cards for each of the major engine manufacturers you have an interest in. So if you know of someone with a Stickney that you'd like to buy, you give them your card with a Stickney engine on it, that person will automatically assume that you're serious about Stickney's and may remember your card more than someone else with a generic card. Everyone needs some generic cards, but the custom ones can come in handy. Biggest problem with the custom ones is that it is not convenient to carry around a stack of cards with all your interests, so it requires a bit of planning ahead to know which type or types of card to carry. Of course we all know that very rarely does anyone remember someone when it comes time to sell. They usually sell to whoever asks first when they decide to sell ;-) George in Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Dave Rotigel > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:43 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Business Cards > > At 09:01 AM 2/17/2005, you wrote: > >Agreed - I use MS publisher and made thousands of business cards for > >the shop and ourselves over the years. > >For about 6 bucks you can get a package of business card > stock - even > >fancy colors and designs if you want. Some have American flag > >background, etc. or add your own background. > >Use a scan or a digital photo, works SLICK and easy. > >Bill > > What I've found over the years is that business cards made on > a computer look like------well, they look like they are made > on a computer. I can get 1,000 business cards printed > professionally for under $30.00---and they DON'T look like > some kid made them on a computer! > Dave > PS, Add up all your expenses (paper, ink, etc.) and your time > and I'll bet I've got a better deal--and a hell of a lot > better looking card! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Feb 17 08:58:20 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:58:20 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: <32435.165.206.180.118.1108645217.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <200502171658.j1HGwNEM077466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: bill at antique-engines.com [mailto:bill at antique-engines.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:00 AM > > Well, Jeff - to me restore is to put back into a condition > that reflects what it could have been like when it was new. Here's the web page of Terre Thaemlitz. Terre is owner of a badass, gas-guzzling 1971 AMC Javelin SST 360 and wants to meet other Javelin owners. http://www.comatonse.com/reviews/sfbg020900.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 17 09:50:24 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:50:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: <200502171658.j1HGwNEM077466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502171658.j1HGwNEM077466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Hi Rob, Well, that's probably the most interesting post to date in the whole exceeding long thread. I especially like the view of Thaemlitz's "hubcaps" poking up at the top of the dress. Who knows, maybe the next posts in the thread will detail the courtship. See ya, Arnie On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Rob Skinner wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bill at antique-engines.com [mailto:bill at antique-engines.com] > > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:00 AM > > > > Well, Jeff - to me restore is to put back into a condition > > that reflects what it could have been like when it was new. > > Here's the web page of Terre Thaemlitz. Terre is owner of a badass, > gas-guzzling 1971 AMC Javelin SST 360 and wants to meet other > Javelin owners. > http://www.comatonse.com/reviews/sfbg020900.html From nick at holden1.net Thu Feb 17 10:08:41 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:08:41 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Message-ID: <4214DDA9.000003.03908@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Thanks to Bo you can see my Fairbanks 1 1/2 Hp with the spoked flywheels as you can see i am still working on it to get it ready for this year at the rallies nick http://albums.photo.epson com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009275&a=31643848&f= Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Feb 17 10:34:02 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:34:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: References: <200502171658.j1HGwNEM077466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <36271.165.206.180.118.1108665242.squirrel@antique-engines.com> This weekend I spoke with a couple engine guys who left the list a while back and found out why..................... They spoke of attitudes........and simply felt they weren't good enough to be here (as implied by a couple of folks on the list). Wondered when the list god(s)/owner-apparent would speak out........... As long as it comes from "certain folks" it's ok? it appears that way.........but heaven forbid if someone should speak out against one of THOSE exceedingly long OT threads..... WE use our delete keys when uninterested. Hey, it's not cow prolapses! :-) It at least WAS hardware related with an old engine. Geesh - Fine - use your delete key if this "OFFENDS" you :-\ > Hi Rob, > > Well, that's probably the most interesting post to date in the whole > exceedin g long thread. I especially like the view of Thaemlitz's > "hubcaps" poking up at the top of the dress. > > Who knows, maybe the next posts in the thread will detail the courtship. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Rob Skinner wrote: > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: bill at antique-engines.com [mailto:bill at antique-engines.com] >> > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:00 AM >> > >> > Well, Jeff - to me restore is to put back into a condition >> > that reflects what it could have been like when it was new. >> >> Here's the web page of Terre Thaemlitz. Terre is owner of a badass, >> gas-guzzling 1971 AMC Javelin SST 360 and wants to meet other >> Javelin owners. >> http://www.comatonse.com/reviews/sfbg020900.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Feb 17 11:11:29 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:11:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: References: <200502171658.j1HGwNEM077466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <36748.165.206.180.118.1108667489.squirrel@antique-engines.com> and sorry if the last reply seemed a bit harsh - hell day at work - I've found stuff that will get some people dismissed, been working with management on documentation and computer logs and forensics and they are pulling "the race card" on us and threatening law suite. > Hi Rob, > > Well, that's probably the most interesting post to date in the whole > exceeding long thread. I especially like the view of Thaemlitz's > "hubcaps" poking up at the top of the dress. > > Who knows, maybe the next posts in the thread will detail the courtship. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Rob Skinner wrote: > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: bill at antique-engines.com [mailto:bill at antique-engines.com] >> > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:00 AM >> > >> > Well, Jeff - to me restore is to put back into a condition >> > that reflects what it could have been like when it was new. >> >> Here's the web page of Terre Thaemlitz. Terre is owner of a badass, >> gas-guzzling 1971 AMC Javelin SST 360 and wants to meet other >> Javelin owners. >> http://www.comatonse.com/reviews/sfbg020900.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From EnginePaul at aol.com Thu Feb 17 11:26:06 2005 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:26:06 EST Subject: [SEL] Business Cards Message-ID: <1e5.35e91ac5.2f4649ce@aol.com> Avery.com has templates for their 10-up cards, template #8371. General tips: For photos use coated stock. Print a test card before going too far; the great looking large card on the screen may look bad and even be illegible when printed out. Your printer should be in good condition. (mine hasn't worked all that well lately and quality has slipped) Don't use too many, or "artsy" type styles; makes the card hard to read. If you carry them in your wallet, they will smear. Try coating as suggested on another post. Paul, Former Printer (Started when I was 11 with real type) From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Feb 17 11:29:02 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:29:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050217103835.02701d60@mail.alltel.net> References: <1f1.35985dfb.2f45f19f@aol.com> <33286.165.206.180.118.1108648867.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050217103835.02701d60@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <36833.165.206.180.118.1108668542.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Probably true, but then I'm not as good as you so don't do things as well....... although we did get a lot of compliments on the cards and graphics. > > What I've found over the years is that business cards made on a computer > look like------well, they look like they are made on a computer. I can get > 1,000 business cards printed professionally for under $30.00---and they > DON'T look like some kid made them on a computer! > Dave > PS, Add up all your expenses (paper, ink, etc.) and your time and I'll bet > I've got a better deal--and a hell of a lot better looking card! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ABuisse at aol.com Thu Feb 17 11:41:23 2005 From: ABuisse at aol.com (ABuisse at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:41:23 EST Subject: [SEL] headless fairbanks and jack junior Message-ID: <1f1.35a1811f.2f464d63@aol.com> Hello Can anyone tell me what color a headless fairbanks should be? For Jack Junior that I'm restoring I need a mixer would someone know what type of mixer is required and a source on finding an ignitor. Thanks Aime From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Feb 17 11:46:21 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:46:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: OT Re: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <1e5.35e91ac5.2f4649ce@aol.com> References: <1e5.35e91ac5.2f4649ce@aol.com> Message-ID: <36921.165.206.180.118.1108669581.squirrel@antique-engines.com> I used a $800 dollar inkjet printer on high/photo resolution. (thankfully sold it with the store - it was big) Scanned images at 1200 dpi so I could tweak with no loss. You can get very nice card stock, even glossy stock. Each sheet took about 3 minutes to print. Lexmark if I recall some models used to have a special chemical they use that "fixes" inkjet ink as it prints for better resolution and longevity. Canon photo printers are even better with smaller ink droplets, looks better than laser for some uses. > Avery.com has templates for their 10-up cards, template #8371. > General tips: > For photos use coated stock. > Print a test card before going too far; the great looking large card on > the > screen may look bad and even be illegible when printed out. > Your printer should be in good condition. (mine hasn't worked all that > well > lately and quality has slipped) > Don't use too many, or "artsy" type styles; makes the card hard to read. > If you carry them in your wallet, they will smear. Try coating as > suggested > on another post. > > Paul, > Former Printer (Started when I was 11 with real type) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nick at holden1.net Thu Feb 17 11:53:25 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:53:25 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Message-ID: <4214F635.000003.03480@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> http://albums.photo.epson com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4284455&a=31644863&f=com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009275&a=31643848 f= Hi at last i think i have got it i hope that this link will work so you can see the Fairbanks Morse 1 1/2 Hp with the spoked flywheels that i am working on to get ready for this year nick From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Feb 17 12:48:05 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:48:05 EST Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Message-ID: <1a4.31dd6604.2f465d05@aol.com> Nick, Nice looking engine! I tried to paste the web address and it did not work. Took a guess and found it was missing a period(.) between epson and com Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From George_Best at adp.com Thu Feb 17 13:00:30 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:00:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] headless fairbanks and jack junior Message-ID: The Jack Jr could be either red or green. I have one that was built in 1909 (have the exact date for it) and it was red. Still had the original red pain on when I got it. Unfortunately, that was a long time ago and back then we thought you needed to repaint everything rather than preserving original paint. Not much of a mixer. I can take pictures for you if needed, plus have a parts sheet from Fairbanks Morse for the engine. George in Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > ABuisse at aol.com > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:41 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] headless fairbanks and jack junior > > Hello > > Can anyone tell me what color a headless fairbanks should be? > For Jack Junior that I'm restoring I need a mixer would > someone know what type of mixer is required and a source on > finding an ignitor. > > Thanks > Aime > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Feb 17 13:17:16 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:17:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <36833.165.206.180.118.1108668542.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <1f1.35985dfb.2f45f19f@aol.com> <33286.165.206.180.118.1108648867.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050217103835.02701d60@mail.alltel.net> <36833.165.206.180.118.1108668542.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:29:02 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >Probably true, but then I'm not as good as you so don't do things as >well....... although we did get a lot of compliments on the cards and >graphics. > > >> >> What I've found over the years is that business cards made on a computer >> look like------well, they look like they are made on a computer. I can get >> 1,000 business cards printed professionally for under $30.00---and they >> DON'T look like some kid made them on a computer! >> Dave >> PS, Add up all your expenses (paper, ink, etc.) and your time and I'll bet >> I've got a better deal--and a hell of a lot better looking card! I think I'd agree with Dave here..... :-)) While we did our own setting and layout in Pagemaker, we sent the file on CD to our local printer who made the plate up and printed off a 1000 for about ?17.50 plus tax. We included a nice coloured graphic of a Ruston & Hornsby horizontal on the card, and we made it from a decent bit of material, semi-gloss card which is 0.015" thick. I think Dave commented on the thickness of the card when I gave him one at Portland last year (read into that what you may!) The cards are 3.75" X 2.375" in size and 3-colour. Pagemaker is a typesetting/publishing programme that used to be owned by Aldus, but they got bought out by Adobe some years ago. It is a very good programme and worth locating a copy if you do club newsletters and that sort of thing. The output files are handled by most publishing houses. Would be happy to help folks out if they need any input on 'how to'. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From curt at imc-group.com Thu Feb 17 13:36:07 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:36:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #1 Message-ID: <42150E47.8020809@imc-group.com> A while back Rick S. asked about documenting the process of making a pattern. Currently I'm working on putting a few pages together and, time permitting, I'm get 'em all up on my web site in the next few weeks. This first page is a Stickney part and is part of a group of parts unique to fuel pumper Stickneys. A lot of Stickeys were gravity fed, but a few had this complicated arrangement to get the fuel head up high enough so that it would then gravity feed to the mixer. A site gage sat high at the back of the engine allowing the operator to observe fuel flow in a glass site gage. This glass needed protection and a cast iron protective cage was used. Here is the process of making the pattern and the core box to define the OD shape and inside shape of this protective cage. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/SiteGageCage/Thumbnails.html Hope this is what you had in mind Rick..... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Feb 17 13:52:28 2005 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:52:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder In-Reply-To: <009301c51484$da050d90$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050218084453.00b1c660@mail.ncable.com.au> Hi Dave (and everyone else) Mate I just very recently bought one of these engines. Mine is not quite complete but does have the original exhaust pipe and water tank brackets, fuel tank and carby (which has been repaird) and is mounted on a reasonable trolley. Has a lucas SR1 magi and the engine runs. Cost me $500 ozzie. That would be about 175 pound for you and at a guess about $350US dollars for our American friends. So the wash up of all this is Stiff titties for Reg as his poor old letter box has just dropped in price bigger than any wall street crash we have ever heard of! Russ At 12:08 AM 17/02/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Passed on from the UK engine list. >Very nice but way over my price range. >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69826&item=6511821299&rd=1 >Dave Croft >Warrington >England >http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 17 14:26:52 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:26:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: <36748.165.206.180.118.1108667489.squirrel@antique-engines. com> References: <200502171658.j1HGwNEM077466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <36748.165.206.180.118.1108667489.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050217172440.0de43350@mail.alltel.net> >been working with >management on documentation and computer logs and forensics and they are >pulling "the race card" on us and threatening law suite. Hi Bill, That's a hell of a thing for them to do just because you don't like black people! Dave From AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Thu Feb 17 14:27:50 2005 From: AntiqueEngineB at aol.com (AntiqueEngineB at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:27:50 EST Subject: [SEL] Business Cards Message-ID: <1ac.323d9db5.2f467466@aol.com> i SURE HOPE YOU GET THIS PROBLEM WITH BUSINESS CARDS AND OLD CARS DONE SO WHEN I SEE I'VE GOT MAIL IT MIGHT JUST BE SOMEBODY WITH SOMETHING ABOUT OLD ENGINES OR RELATED PROBLEMS THANK YOU From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 17 14:53:50 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:53:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <00d101c5150f$4514a200$6e408304@clinton> References: <1f1.35985dfb.2f45f19f@aol.com> <33286.165.206.180.118.1108648867.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050217103835.02701d60@mail.alltel.net> <00d101c5150f$4514a200$6e408304@clinton> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050217172740.0de0b488@mail.alltel.net> At 11:39 AM 2/17/2005, you wrote: >dave >hummm, I dont know, I have been printing mine for a few years now and my looks >just like a professional done them, no added charges for special colors, >adding >photos, etc. >I use a program called Buisness Card Designer Plus 2000 >I have been very satisfioed with the results, what I really like about >doing my >own cards is I do not have to do so many at a time, I can print up >whatever amount >I want and if I decide to change something I can do so in 5 minutes and print >different cards and not have to use up a 1000, etc >Clint Hi Curt, I would have a problem making my own cards on my computer for a number of reasons. Several of them are: 1.) I don't spell everything properly or use English properly sometimes. (Do you have the same problem sometimes?) 2.) Sometimes I forget to use CAPS where they are necessary. (Do you ever do the same?) 3.) I tend to run everything (sentences etc.) together sometimes. (Ever done that?) Dave PS, Also, since I'm not having to hide from anyone I don't have to change anything very often. From George_Best at adp.com Thu Feb 17 15:04:57 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:04:57 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards Message-ID: Having a bad day? I'd rather read engine postings too, but it works both ways. If you'd like to read engine postings, you should be doing something to create engine postings. Post a topic and get a engine related thread going. Tell us about yourself. What engines do you have? Got an engine on your business card? ;-) What engines are you taking to shows this year? George in Oregon ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > AntiqueEngineB at aol.com > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:28 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Business Cards > > i SURE HOPE YOU GET THIS PROBLEM WITH BUSINESS CARDS AND OLD > CARS DONE SO WHEN I SEE I'VE GOT MAIL IT MIGHT JUST BE > SOMEBODY WITH SOMETHING ABOUT OLD ENGINES OR RELATED > PROBLEMS THANK YOU _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mmco at cox-internet.com Thu Feb 17 15:39:02 2005 From: mmco at cox-internet.com (mmco) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:39:02 -0600 Subject: Fw: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse From Nick Message-ID: <005801c51549$dc57e1b0$e8a7e244@boixbxwlvpt1qt> These are the photos that Nick Holden from the UK has been trying to let the list members see . Hope you don`t mind the help NICK. Bo Hinch http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009275&a=31643848&f= ---- Original Message ----- From: "nick" To: Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Feb 17 16:26:20 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:26:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <1ac.323d9db5.2f467466@aol.com> References: <1ac.323d9db5.2f467466@aol.com> Message-ID: <4215362C.3010502@earthlink.net> Hi anonymous, The least you could do is sign your name when you yell at us. I left the list for a while because of all the off topic stuff, but I missed it. We get some great off topic threads going. Start an engine thread and we WILL jump in. Jeff Allen AntiqueEngineB at aol.com wrote: >i SURE HOPE YOU GET THIS PROBLEM WITH BUSINESS CARDS AND OLD CARS DONE SO >WHEN I SEE I'VE GOT MAIL IT MIGHT JUST BE SOMEBODY WITH SOMETHING ABOUT OLD >ENGINES OR RELATED PROBLEMS THANK YOU >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From prepair at easynet.co.uk Thu Feb 17 15:03:03 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (prepair at easynet.co.uk) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 23:03:03 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <1ac.323d9db5.2f467466@aol.com> References: <1ac.323d9db5.2f467466@aol.com> Message-ID: <1108681383.421522a70b68a@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Quoting AntiqueEngineB at aol.com: > i SURE HOPE YOU GET THIS PROBLEM WITH BUSINESS CARDS AND OLD CARS DONE SO > WHEN I SEE I'VE GOT MAIL IT MIGHT JUST BE SOMEBODY WITH SOMETHING ABOUT OLD > ENGINES OR RELATED PROBLEMS THANK YOU I should go and see someone about that sticky old keyboard, looks like you need some expert attention there... Peter -- Peter Forbes prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk --------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Feb 17 16:52:38 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:52:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards References: <1ac.323d9db5.2f467466@aol.com> Message-ID: Dear antiqueengineb; You must not have read my initial post. This is in regards to old engines as whenever I talk to the ole timers and collectors, they alway want my business (generic) card. HAVE A NICE DAY!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Business Cards > i SURE HOPE YOU GET THIS PROBLEM WITH BUSINESS CARDS AND OLD CARS DONE > SO > WHEN I SEE I'VE GOT MAIL IT MIGHT JUST BE SOMEBODY WITH SOMETHING ABOUT > OLD > ENGINES OR RELATED PROBLEMS THANK YOU > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Thu Feb 17 17:08:23 2005 From: AntiqueEngineB at aol.com (AntiqueEngineB at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:08:23 EST Subject: [SEL] Business Cards Message-ID: <1ed.35dfefd7.2f469a07@aol.com> Bad days come on this time of year.I have a 3 hp IHC vertical tank cooled that i have had for several years. I have started repairing and trying tofind parts for. Iwould like original to replace and its hard to find. I still need a water pump &water pump eccentric&water pump eccentric strap& cooling tank. Its still a long ways from being running. I go to shows in Ohio,Indiana,& several in Michiganlooking for parts .I allso have a 11/2 hp IHC m and a 3 hp IHC m besides the gas engines i have asmall vertical steam engine about the same size as the 3 hp IHC vertical. I live near MIS racetrack in Michigan I enjoy reading about old iron and every thing that goes with it THANKS BOB From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 17 17:01:34 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:01:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] MYSTERY ENGINE Message-ID: <001901c51555$6522a560$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> http://members.shaw.ca/pruiter/sverre.jpg Anybody bells rung ? babbited crank , bronze rod , all sae fasteners NSU carb from '06 with a welded on manifold , so probly not original . frame clamp halves on forend of case n head screams - motor bicycle - but who's moto ? I put a Dayton globe on my biz cards and aint found one yet , maybe if i put a IHC LB on there I will . From brianne at ultratune.com.au Thu Feb 17 17:14:18 2005 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:14:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Thanks Message-ID: <00d101c51557$2cf6ff90$65c4dccb@pcuser> Hi Guys Many thanks for all the info related to making wooden pulleys etc. Brian Taylor Hervey Bay Historical Museum 13 Zephyr St..Scarness Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Feb 17 17:13:08 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:13:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #1 & F-M pump References: <42150E47.8020809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: EXACTLY what Cork and I were looking fer. Thank you pard! Funny how things happen as yesterday afternoon Cork found a water pump at the city gold mine and wanted me there when they opened. Well I forgot the camera and after loading up the somewhat broken ...aaarrrghh, damn magnet operators..F-M pump, we headed for the Pattern Shop cafe just to see what was inside. Come to find out this was the actual pattern shop for Caird Engineering..very kewl building and lots of patterns on the inside walls. Next time I won't forget the camera!! Corky asked if I knew anything about F-M pumps and I advised him to look at google. Sure enuf, Mr. Barr has a picture of it. Thanks for the picture:: http://community.webshots.com/photo/276385437/276386135gMkvkF Very kewl pump and we had lots of fun dismantling it this afternoon. Just need the two push-pull rods. Thanks again Curt, will forward to Spudhead RickinMt. PS: You too Steve!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:36 PM Subject: [SEL] Patterns #1 > A while back Rick S. asked about documenting the process of making a > pattern. Currently I'm working on putting a few pages together and, time > permitting, I'm get 'em all up on my web site in the next few weeks. > This first page is a Stickney part and is part of a group of parts > unique to fuel pumper Stickneys. A lot of Stickeys were gravity fed, but > a few had this complicated arrangement to get the fuel head up high > enough so that it would then gravity feed to the mixer. A site gage sat > high at the back of the engine allowing the operator to observe fuel > flow in a glass site gage. This glass needed protection and a cast iron > protective cage was used. Here is the process of making the pattern and > the core box to define the OD shape and inside shape of this protective > cage. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/SiteGageCage/Thumbnails.html > Hope this is what you had in mind Rick..... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Feb 17 17:23:27 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:23:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards References: <1e5.35e91ac5.2f4649ce@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks gang for the great advise!! Dave, I never thot of the bible for a B&W picture..'preciate it. Would love to go with the Strobel engine, but a horizontal HC would probably be the best. Sweet 16 would be great and maybe Wendel will have it in his updated version. Take care ya'll Rick From jdohagan at comcast.net Thu Feb 17 17:35:45 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:35:45 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <1ed.35dfefd7.2f469a07@aol.com> Message-ID: <200502180135.j1I1ZoYK074711@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Bob, The early ones didn't have a pump. They were cooled by convection. Does yours have the bracket for the pump? I have a couple that do not have the bracket and never had a pump. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato,Ca. Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:08 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Business Cards Bad days come on this time of year.I have a 3 hp IHC vertical tank cooled that i have had for several years. I have started repairing and trying tofind parts for. Iwould like original to replace and its hard to find. I still need a water pump &water pump eccentric&water pump eccentric strap& cooling tank. Its still a long ways from being running. I go to shows in Ohio,Indiana,& several in Michiganlooking for parts .I allso have a 11/2 hp IHC m and a 3 hp IHC m besides the gas engines i have asmall vertical steam engine about the same size as the 3 hp IHC vertical. I live near MIS racetrack in Michigan I enjoy reading about old iron and every thing that goes with it THANKS BOB _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldengin at udata.com Thu Feb 17 17:38:09 2005 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:38:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] oil wicking OT? In-Reply-To: References: <1ac.323d9db5.2f467466@aol.com> Message-ID: <42154701.40200@udata.com> Gday Has anyone here ever hear of the old time oil wicking? I thinks I read this one time about taking used oil and wicking off the good left in the oil, but this is all I seem to remember. I talked with Johnny Walker and John Beam about this but neither one had much to say on the subject.. How do you wick oil, up down and with what? -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 17 17:42:07 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:42:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Charlie --good report! Message-ID: <007c01c5155b$103408e0$230110ac@PAUL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" To: Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:54 PM Subject: Charlie --good report! > Hello , > Charlie called about an hour ago. Said he had a real good day. Had been > seen by Doctors, Case worker, and therapist so that took some of his > time. Has walked quite a bit.--can see the new bridge from waiting room > that goes into the Big Dig. Appetite much better--especially 4AM wants > Clementines and grapes! > > No therapy started as yet. Hope they get going tomorrow with the weekend > coming up. Happy he has made such good progress ! Answer to prayers. > C's sister, > Lois > From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Feb 17 17:58:45 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:58:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050217172440.0de43350@mail.alltel.net> References: <200502171658.j1HGwNEM077466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <36748.165.206.180.118.1108667489.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050217172440.0de43350@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: >> been working with >> management on documentation and computer logs and forensics and they >> are >> pulling "the race card" on us and threatening law suite. > > Hi Bill, That's a hell of a thing for them to do just because you > don't like black people! > Dave I figured it was NASCAR fans playing cards on the job. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jbcast at charter.net Thu Feb 17 17:59:40 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 1:59:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Transport- FL to MA Message-ID: <3rr4tf$i96msf@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> I have a cylinder I sleeved that needs a ride to Swansea, MA. I'm heading to the Florida Flywheelers show, anyone from that area heading to Florida? Thanks, J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From ABuisse at aol.com Thu Feb 17 18:05:52 2005 From: ABuisse at aol.com (ABuisse at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:05:52 EST Subject: [SEL] headless fairbanks and jack junior Message-ID: Thanks for the info George. Yes I would like a picture of the mixer. Aime From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 17 18:08:08 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:08:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] oil wicking OT? In-Reply-To: <42154701.40200@udata.com> References: <1ac.323d9db5.2f467466@aol.com> <42154701.40200@udata.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050217210405.0de74f30@mail.alltel.net> At 08:38 PM 2/17/2005, you wrote: >Gday > Has anyone here ever hear of the old time oil wicking? I thinks I read > this one time about taking used oil and wicking off the good left in the > oil, but this is all I seem to remember. I talked with Johnny Walker and > John Beam about this but neither one had much to say on the > subject.. How do you wick oil, up down and with what? >C-ya > > Leroy Clark Hi Leroy, Drop a length of rope in a bucket of oil. Pull one end out and put it in a can below the bucket of oil into which you have dropped the rope. After 4 days clean the oil off the floor (if the can is not bigger than the bucket.) Dave From MaytagTwin at aol.com Thu Feb 17 18:13:51 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:13:51 EST Subject: [SEL] oil wicking OT? Message-ID: Hi Leroy, When I was but a lad in high school, my math teacher showed me his setup for reclaiming used motor oil. He was wicking it up and over the top of a bucket using kerosene lamp wick. He had a little chute he had built to keep it from running down the outside of the bucket. It dripped into another container and the wicked oil did look clearer than the oil remaining in the bucket. The process was very slow. I would suggest you go for something like the toilet paper filter system so you can process more oil more quickly. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missoui, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 17 18:19:18 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:19:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050218084453.00b1c660@mail.ncable.com.au> References: <009301c51484$da050d90$8c9f0952@no1> <5.2.0.9.2.20050218084453.00b1c660@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050217211747.0deb4958@mail.alltel.net> >So the wash up of all this is Stiff titties for Reg...... >Russ Hi Russ, Is it getting cold in OZ, or what? Dave From rwenig at telus.net Thu Feb 17 18:21:47 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:21:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks In-Reply-To: <4214F635.000003.03480@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> References: <4214F635.000003.03480@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <4215513B.3050902@telus.net> Hello Nick, Thanks for posting the pictures. It is different than any Z engines I've seen before. I don't recall seeing one with the exhaust on the right side before. What is the white object just up from the exhaust pipe? Rupert nick wrote: > http://albums.photo.epson > com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4284455&a=31644863&f=com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009275&a=31643848 > f= > > > > > > Hi at last i think i have got it i hope that this link will work > > so you can see the Fairbanks Morse 1 1/2 Hp with the spoked > > flywheels that i am working on to get ready for this year > > nick > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Thu Feb 17 18:16:00 2005 From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:16:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Transport- FL to MA In-Reply-To: <3rr4tf$i96msf@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050217210819.00b16100@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> At 01:59 AM 2/18/2005 +0000, you wrote: >I have a cylinder I sleeved that needs a ride to Swansea, MA. I'm heading >to the Florida Flywheelers show, anyone from that area heading to Florida? >Thanks, >J.B. Castagnos >Belle Rose, LA I will be in the Orlando area on Saturday. I am going to try REALLY hard to get out of work a little early next week to make it down a day early to go to Flywheelers on Friday. I could get it as far north as Ohio?? As for Florida I will be at Zolfo Springs the next Wed evening or Thursday morning, March 2 - 3 . Anyone else from the list going to be around? _ Steve Steve Sewell Albany, Ohio USA sewell at atis.net sewell at ohio.edu From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 17 18:42:33 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:42:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Transport- FL to MA In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050217210819.00b16100@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> References: <3rr4tf$i96msf@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20050217210819.00b16100@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050217213634.0ded9ae8@mail.alltel.net> At 09:16 PM 2/17/2005, you wrote: >At 01:59 AM 2/18/2005 +0000, you wrote: >>I have a cylinder I sleeved that needs a ride to Swansea, MA. I'm heading >>to the Florida Flywheelers show, anyone from that area heading to Florida? >>Thanks, >>J.B. Castagnos >I will be in the Orlando area on Saturday. I am going to try REALLY hard >to get out of work a little early next week to make it down a day early to >go to Flywheelers on Friday. I could get it as far north as Ohio?? >As for Florida I will be at Zolfo Springs the next Wed evening or Thursday >morning, March 2 - 3 . Anyone else from the list going to be around? >_ Steve Hi JB and Steve, I will arrive at Zolfo on the 2nd. I'll be there (in #6 near the office) with my 15 HP IHC until the 6th. I'll have a bit of room in the back of my truck and could get the cylinder as far north as my place in PA if it will fit. Dave PS, JB, How big is the cylinder? PPS, Steve, I have an extra bed at Zolfo if you need it. From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Feb 17 18:43:15 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:43:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: References: <200502171658.j1HGwNEM077466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <36748.165.206.180.118.1108667489.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050217172440.0de43350@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <42155643.8070407@earthlink.net> NASCAR fans playing cards on the job? Are you nuts? I was on the puter checking the results of todays races when the boss walked in on me. Sure is glad he's a fan too. Sorry for the bad speling and gramer Dave. I'll try and do beter om my term paper. Jeff Allen John Culp wrote: >>> been working with >>> management on documentation and computer logs and forensics and they >>> are >>> pulling "the race card" on us and threatening law suite. >> >> >> Hi Bill, That's a hell of a thing for them to do just because you >> don't like black people! >> Dave > > > I figured it was NASCAR fans playing cards on the job. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Thu Feb 17 18:58:01 2005 From: AntiqueEngineB at aol.com (AntiqueEngineB at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:58:01 EST Subject: [SEL] Business Cards Message-ID: <1a5.31550e1b.2f46b3b9@aol.com> No it does not have a bracket. I bought it from an old cider mill and i though it did not have one because it had plenty of water from other sorces. my engine is an 1909. I have only seen 1 at the Portland Ind show. I have some old water pumps that i might hook up to cool the engine andhave working From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Thu Feb 17 19:12:06 2005 From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:12:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Transport- FL to MA In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050217213634.0ded9ae8@mail.alltel.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050217210819.00b16100@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> <3rr4tf$i96msf@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20050217210819.00b16100@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050217220819.00bc2200@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> > >PPS, Steve, I have an extra bed at Zolfo if you need it. Dave : That would be great!! Contact me off line. Are you sure Bambi and Nitro will not mind // are up to it????? - Steve Steve Sewell Albany, Ohio USA sewell at atis.net sewell at ohio.edu From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Feb 17 21:50:03 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:50:03 +0800 Subject: [SEL] MYSTERY ENGINE References: <001901c51555$6522a560$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <002f01c5157d$b5bee8d0$a0b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> I would not get all upset about it ........i am in a like situation all they left on my engine were the bloody name plate rivets. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL" ; ".ORG" Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:01 AM Subject: [SEL] MYSTERY ENGINE > http://members.shaw.ca/pruiter/sverre.jpg > > Anybody bells rung ? babbited crank , bronze rod , all sae fasteners > NSU carb from '06 with a welded on manifold , so probly not original . > frame clamp halves on forend of case n head screams - motor bicycle - but > who's moto ? > > > I put a Dayton globe on my biz cards and aint found one yet , maybe if i > put a > IHC LB on there I will . > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Fri Feb 18 02:12:29 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:12:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Airbags OT Message-ID: <000c01c515a2$5acd0cc0$eb3354d2@cam> Hi All Has anyone on the list used Firestone airbags on their Utes ( Pickups ) and if so how good is the product. Thanks in advance. Cam Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford NSW Australia From jbcast at charter.net Fri Feb 18 05:35:18 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:35:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Transport- FL to MA Message-ID: <3rr04b$iaqsvl@mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net> Steve & Dave R., thanks for th offers, we'll be in FL 25-26. It'll go UPS, I'll crate it and ship it. J.B. From curt at imc-group.com Fri Feb 18 06:23:14 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:23:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <200502180135.j1I1ZoYK074711@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502180135.j1I1ZoYK074711@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <4215FA52.5090202@imc-group.com> Hi Jim, Bob Would you by chance have a picture of the tank cooled vertical IHC Famous? The only verticals I've ever seen are screen cooled. A round inverted cone shaped screen that sits on a short tank is used for cooling. There is a pump used on these because the screen cooled tank is mounted at skid level. I've seen several tank cooled horizontals, but I'd enjoy seeing a tank cooled vertical.... Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Jim O'Hagan wrote: >Hi Bob, The early ones didn't have a pump. They were cooled by convection. >Does yours have the bracket for the pump? I have a couple that do not have >the bracket and never had a pump. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato,Ca. > >Jim O'Hagan >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > From AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Fri Feb 18 07:06:22 2005 From: AntiqueEngineB at aol.com (AntiqueEngineB at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:06:22 EST Subject: [SEL] Business Cards Message-ID: <105.5ae78030.2f475e6e@aol.com> Curt my vertical is a screen tank i refer the other type as hopper cooled . If you look on page246 of Wendels book ther is a picture of a vertical hopper cooled. I may be wrong how i discribe the engine .sorry. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Feb 18 07:18:36 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:18:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #1 References: <42150E47.8020809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: You are "Da Man", Curt. Fantastic work. I wonder if Rick would consider documenting the casting process? Ass u m ing he'll do the work. Thanks again! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:36 PM Subject: [SEL] Patterns #1 > A while back Rick S. asked about documenting the process of making a > pattern. Currently I'm working on putting a few pages together and, time > permitting, I'm get 'em all up on my web site in the next few weeks. > This first page is a Stickney part and is part of a group of parts > unique to fuel pumper Stickneys. A lot of Stickeys were gravity fed, but > a few had this complicated arrangement to get the fuel head up high > enough so that it would then gravity feed to the mixer. A site gage sat > high at the back of the engine allowing the operator to observe fuel > flow in a glass site gage. This glass needed protection and a cast iron > protective cage was used. Here is the process of making the pattern and > the core box to define the OD shape and inside shape of this protective > cage. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/SiteGageCage/Thumbnails.html > Hope this is what you had in mind Rick..... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Feb 18 05:48:31 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:48:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: <42155643.8070407@earthlink.net> References: <200502171658.j1HGwNEM077466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <36748.165.206.180.118.1108667489.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050217172440.0de43350@mail.alltel.net> <42155643.8070407@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050218084754.0def5da8@mail.alltel.net> > Sorry for the bad speling and gramer Dave. I'll try and do beter om my > term paper. >Jeff Allen ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!! Good luck with your cards! Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 18 10:14:13 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:14:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <1ed.35dfefd7.2f469a07@aol.com> References: <1ed.35dfefd7.2f469a07@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob, Do you attend the Findlay Ohio show in August; if so where do you usually set up? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 AntiqueEngineB at aol.com wrote: > I go to shows in Ohio,Indiana,& > several in Michiganlooking for parts . From curt at imc-group.com Fri Feb 18 10:37:50 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:37:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pattern #2 Message-ID: <421635FE.7070806@imc-group.com> More on patterns.... This is a pattern "on board". Most foundries prefer on board patterns as opposed to loose because it is easier on them. As talent has left the foundry business, workers with less and less skills can produce with these easy patterns. This simple clevis on a Stickney fuel pump was made from dowel rod pieces and glued together. Due to saw kerf width I just made two identical patterns and sawed them in half to one side. Once sanded smooth, this left two full halves to mount on board. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/RodClevis/Thumbnails.html Hope you enjoy. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From oldengin at udata.com Fri Feb 18 13:13:21 2005 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:13:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: References: <1ed.35dfefd7.2f469a07@aol.com> Message-ID: <42165A71.50200@udata.com> Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Bob, > >Do you attend the Findlay Ohio show in August; if so where do you usually >set up? > >See ya, Arnie > > > I have gone to this show a few times and when ever I go I set up next to the river. This way I can fish, partake in some beverage, and play engins all at the same time.... Is life any better than that? PS I have the whole river to fill next year and I need some help! -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Feb 17 15:44:26 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:44:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050218084453.00b1c660@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <000401c51602$ec07b180$350d1bd3@reg> Aw! But!!! :-( Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > So the wash up of all this is Stiff titties for Reg as his poor old letter > box has just dropped in price bigger than any wall street crash we have > ever heard of! > Russ From AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Fri Feb 18 14:07:28 2005 From: AntiqueEngineB at aol.com (AntiqueEngineB at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:07:28 EST Subject: [SEL] Business Cards Message-ID: <1c3.23958b59.2f47c120@aol.com> My engine is not ready to show yet so ijust go to check for parts.I retired january of 2004 and started going to more shows and the wife and i were haveing a great time and the last of june she had an anurisom and passed away. So its hard to get started again . But i plan on getting there this year let me know how tofind you and i,ll look you up BOB From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 18 14:26:36 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:26:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL In-Reply-To: <42165A71.50200@udata.com> References: <1ed.35dfefd7.2f469a07@aol.com> <42165A71.50200@udata.com> Message-ID: Hi Leroy, As you know, I regard this one as one of the most enjoyable shows that I attend each year. I think once the 2005 Show Directory is in everyone's hands (March?), we should post the show dates and a nice description of all of the "amenities" at the show. For example, the free Friday night steamed corn on the cob and cantelope feast! YUM! That's livin' high on the hog in the riverside low rent district! 8-))) Then with that info out there, maybe try and get a LOT of the SEL folks to plan on attending the show. As you've said, it's a great "tuneup" for Baraboo & Portland. I think that would be a hoot!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Leroy C. wrote: > I have gone to this show a few times and when ever I go I set up next to > the river. This way I can fish, partake in some beverage, and play > engins all at the same time.... Is life any better than that? > PS I have the whole river to fill next year and I need some help! From diesel at easynet.co.uk Fri Feb 18 14:27:13 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 22:27:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <1c3.23958b59.2f47c120@aol.com> References: <1c3.23958b59.2f47c120@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:07:28 EST, you wrote: >My engine is not ready to show yet so ijust go to check for parts.I retired >january of 2004 and started going to more shows and the wife and i were >haveing a great time and the last of june she had an anurisom and passed away. So >its hard to get started again . But i plan on getting there this year let me >know how tofind you and i,ll look you up > >BOB Sorry to hear of your loss, Bob, hope that you can get back to enjoying life amongst the hardware soon. Try and get to Portland, Indiana for the big show in August, it is a great show and well worth the time to visit. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri Feb 18 14:49:47 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:49:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050218224947.7765.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Arnie I had a 2005 show directory in my hands on Tuesday...The Sandwich Engine club gets a box full...I guess the big orders get filled first. I am still waiting for my 2 to come in the mail...IfI had know, I would have waited and just gotten them from the club... Thee book is bigger than last year. I am going to have to try to make Findlay again...The only problem is first work and secondly, a small local show is the same weekend. It is on my return to list... Steve --- Arnie Fero wrote: Hi Leroy, As you know, I regard this one as one of the most enjoyable shows that I attend each year. I think once the 2005 Show Directory is in everyone's hands (March?), we should post the show dates and a nice description of all of the "amenities" at the show. For example, the free Friday night steamed corn on the cob and cantelope feast! YUM! That's livin' high on the hog in the riverside low rent district! 8-))) Then with that info out there, maybe try and get a LOT of the SEL folks to plan on attending the show. As you've said, it's a great "tuneup" for Baraboo & Portland. I think that would be a hoot!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 18 15:25:37 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:25:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL In-Reply-To: <20050218224947.7765.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050218224947.7765.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, Hey, sounds like I better give Dave a call and see if the Fort Allen shipment arrived!! BTW, speaking of the Sandwich club, is 2005 a big Sandwich event somewhere? See ya, Arnie PS - If we do a "gathering" y'all need to be there. 8-)) On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Steve Barr wrote: > I had a 2005 show directory in my hands on Tuesday...The Sandwich Engine > club gets a box full...I guess the big orders get filled first. I am > still waiting for my 2 to come in the mail...IfI had know, I would have > waited and just gotten them from the club... Thee book is bigger than > last year. > > I am going to have to try to make Findlay again...The only problem is > first work and secondly, a small local show is the same weekend. It is on > my return to list... From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri Feb 18 16:45:36 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:45:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050219004536.11523.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Arnie 2006 should be the big year for Sandwich - It will celebrate the 150th Anniversary of Sandwich Manufacturing and the 35th for the club. This year the feature is Ford Tractors and Jacob Haish Built Enignes (includes Great Western, Appleton, Early Rock Island). I have a lot of work to do on the Club web site still. I need to get some better pictures of the different flavors of Sandwich engines on one page. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/ Steve --- Arnie Fero wrote: Hi Steve, Hey, sounds like I better give Dave a call and see if the Fort Allen shipment arrived!! BTW, speaking of the Sandwich club, is 2005 a big Sandwich event somewhere? See ya, Arnie PS - If we do a "gathering" y'all need to be there. 8-)) From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri Feb 18 17:37:09 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:37:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards References: <1c3.23958b59.2f47c120@aol.com> Message-ID: <009201c51623$8898aa20$e8f5f504@x8h7l9> Hello Bob, I lost my wife last April. Other than a relationship with my maker, my shop time is my best time. It helps me thru the adjustments. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Business Cards > My engine is not ready to show yet so ijust go to check for parts.I retired > january of 2004 and started going to more shows and the wife and i were > haveing a great time and the last of june she had an anurisom and passed away. So > its hard to get started again . But i plan on getting there this year let me > know how tofind you and i,ll look you up > > BOB > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rexhinz at chorus.net Fri Feb 18 18:00:32 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:00:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL References: <20050219004536.11523.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003201c51626$cefaabf0$4186a5d8@mycomputer> Hey how many SEL members plan to make the Baraboo show this year ? I'm looking forward meeting new members and maybe Curt will give us a bigger hunk of land , I really enjoyed seeing some of you last year , I hope to have my Economy E up and running if I ever get it out of Nebraska. Later Rex Hinz Baraboo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL > Arnie > > 2006 should be the big year for Sandwich - It will celebrate the 150th > Anniversary of Sandwich Manufacturing and the 35th for the club. > > This year the feature is Ford Tractors and Jacob Haish Built Enignes > (includes Great Western, Appleton, Early Rock Island). > > I have a lot of work to do on the Club web site still. I need to get some > better pictures of the different flavors of Sandwich engines on one page. > > Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/ > > Steve > --- Arnie Fero wrote: > > Hi Steve, > > Hey, sounds like I better give Dave a call and see if the Fort Allen > shipment arrived!! > > BTW, speaking of the Sandwich club, is 2005 a big Sandwich event > somewhere? > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - If we do a "gathering" y'all need to be there. 8-)) > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nick at holden1.net Fri Feb 18 09:06:57 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:06:57 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks References: <4215513B.3050902@telus.net> Message-ID: <421620B1.000001.03456@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Rupert the white object you ask about is i think just exhaust joint paste as it should be at an angle blowing down at the ground instead of straight out the side nick -------Original Message------- From: Rupert Wenig Date: 02/18/05 02:39:19 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Hello Nick, Thanks for posting the pictures. It is different than any Z engines I've seen before. I don't recall seeing one with the exhaust on the right side before. What is the white object just up from the exhaust pipe? Rupert nick wrote: > http://albums.photo.epson > com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4284455&a=31644863&f=com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009275&a=31643848 > f= > > > > > > Hi at last i think i have got it i hope that this link will work > > so you can see the Fairbanks Morse 1 1/2 Hp with the spoked > > flywheels that i am working on to get ready for this year > > nick > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Fri Feb 18 18:08:17 2005 From: AntiqueEngineB at aol.com (AntiqueEngineB at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:08:17 EST Subject: [SEL] Business Cards Message-ID: <1c8.23bd1c6c.2f47f991@aol.com> I know what you mean. My kids and the old iron that iwork on keeps me going .I don't have heat in my new pole barn yet . So soon as it gets a little warmer outside i can start putingthe engine back together. May have it done in time for portland i hope From jdohagan at comcast.net Fri Feb 18 18:08:48 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:08:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <4215FA52.5090202@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200502190208.j1J28sJN058295@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Curt, I think there are at least four versions, maybe more. I've seen air cooled , hopper cooled, convection tank cooled and pump screen cooled. Both of mine are early convection tank cooled style without pumps. One was a water pump'er that used the pumped water to cool it. Wish I had the jack and walking beam. There arn't any provisions for a pump. I'd take pictures, but there's nothing to show you. Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 6:23 AM To: SEL Subject: Re: [SEL] Business Cards Hi Jim, Bob Would you by chance have a picture of the tank cooled vertical IHC Famous? The only verticals I've ever seen are screen cooled. A round inverted cone shaped screen that sits on a short tank is used for cooling. There is a pump used on these because the screen cooled tank is mounted at skid level. I've seen several tank cooled horizontals, but I'd enjoy seeing a tank cooled vertical.... Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Jim O'Hagan wrote: >Hi Bob, The early ones didn't have a pump. They were cooled by convection. >Does yours have the bracket for the pump? I have a couple that do not have >the bracket and never had a pump. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato,Ca. > >Jim O'Hagan >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Fri Feb 18 18:11:38 2005 From: AntiqueEngineB at aol.com (AntiqueEngineB at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:11:38 EST Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL Message-ID: <9.3e1b21e7.2f47fa5a@aol.com> I don't want to sound doumb but i've heard of baraboo but where is it located From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri Feb 18 18:30:51 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:30:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL In-Reply-To: <9.3e1b21e7.2f47fa5a@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050219023051.34697.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> Baraboo is in Wisconsin. ~1 north hour of Madison (just south of the Dells) http://www.badgersteamandgas.com/ --- AntiqueEngineB at aol.com wrote: I don't want to sound doumb but i've heard of baraboo but where is it located From AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Fri Feb 18 19:47:42 2005 From: AntiqueEngineB at aol.com (AntiqueEngineB at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 22:47:42 EST Subject: [SEL] Business Cards Message-ID: <1eb.3518934a.2f4810de@aol.com> What you are calling screeened cooled is what mine is but the manual i have calls it a vertical tank cooled gasoline engine.I have had this engine for about 42 years and never had time to get it running.Ther never was a handhole cover bracket it was a regularhand hole.The cider mill where i got this engine was falling down and i never saw how it was cooled.I just plan on puting on a water pump From prepair at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 19 00:31:13 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 08:31:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <1c8.23bd1c6c.2f47f991@aol.com> References: <1c8.23bd1c6c.2f47f991@aol.com> Message-ID: <37ud11hj22gijngr5clprd0pq9g62a38fg@4ax.com> On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:08:17 EST, you wrote: >I know what you mean. My kids and the old iron that iwork on keeps me going >.I don't have heat in my new pole barn yet . So soon as it gets a little >warmer outside i can start putingthe engine back together. May have it done in >time for portland i hope Bob: Could you try and include a bit of the email/post you are replying to in your own replies? It helps us all to understand where you are in relation to the previous messages on the lists. Portland is a truly great show, we fly over from the UK to go, this will be out third year. There are also guys from Europe and Australia that make the trip. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Feb 18 18:35:45 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:35:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL In-Reply-To: <003201c51626$cefaabf0$4186a5d8@mycomputer> References: <20050219004536.11523.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> <003201c51626$cefaabf0$4186a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050218213506.0df168f8@mail.alltel.net> I bees dar boss! Dave At 09:00 PM 2/18/2005, you wrote: >Hey how many SEL members plan to make the Baraboo show this year ? I'm >looking forward meeting new members and maybe Curt will give us a bigger >hunk of land , I really enjoyed seeing some of you last year , I hope to >have my Economy E up and running if I ever get it out of Nebraska. > >Later >Rex Hinz >Baraboo From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Feb 19 02:54:43 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:54:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL Message-ID: <021920051054.5487.42171AF30003DF830000156F21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Rex, Will be helping layout all the gas engine areas the weekend before and plan on capturing the same spot back in the timber. Until our group can completely fill in that area the club will not give us more turf yet. Let me know how many engines you plan to bring in and we will make the necessary room. Curt Andree > Hey how many SEL members plan to make the Baraboo show this year ? I'm > looking forward meeting new members and maybe Curt will give us a bigger > hunk of land , I really enjoyed seeing some of you last year , I hope to > have my Economy E up and running if I ever get it out of Nebraska. > > Later > Rex Hinz > Baraboo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Barr" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL > > > > Arnie > > > > 2006 should be the big year for Sandwich - It will celebrate the 150th > > Anniversary of Sandwich Manufacturing and the 35th for the club. > > > > This year the feature is Ford Tractors and Jacob Haish Built Enignes > > (includes Great Western, Appleton, Early Rock Island). > > > > I have a lot of work to do on the Club web site still. I need to get some > > better pictures of the different flavors of Sandwich engines on one page. > > > > Take a look at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/ > > > > Steve > > --- Arnie Fero wrote: > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > Hey, sounds like I better give Dave a call and see if the Fort Allen > > shipment arrived!! > > > > BTW, speaking of the Sandwich club, is 2005 a big Sandwich event > > somewhere? > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > PS - If we do a "gathering" y'all need to be there. 8-)) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Sat Feb 19 03:30:32 2005 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 22:30:32 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Business Cards Message-ID: <20050219113032.7759.qmail@web41128.mail.yahoo.com> Say Dave Silly me. When I read the PS line of your post I thought ....hmmm...not a bad idea, calling in to all the churches in your area slippin' your engine card in between the pages so each Sunday when some old timer is flipping the pages for the next hymn, out pops Dave...and he finds a Dayton Globe. Not bad at all... Then I gets to thinkin, blimey that's low, but hey, well, this IS Dave (Rotweiller) we're talking about... ;-) Graham in Oz PS Ya shoulda put "bible" in quotes, like i just done, see? Message: 4 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:28:42 -0500 From: Dave Rotigel Subject: Re: [SEL] Business Cards Just take a picture (side view) of the engine that you want Dave PS, Lots of them in the bible will work just fine. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Feb 19 04:13:38 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:13:38 +0800 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post Message-ID: <000501c5167c$75a328b0$95b63dca@ogborneuah38i3> Does any one know of a site with the design of a good rear tool post? thanks................... Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Sat Feb 19 04:30:12 2005 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:30:12 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Pattern #2 Message-ID: <20050219123012.7879.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Curt Thanks from me too for those great casting pattern pictures, be looking at'em again. I have been making quite a few patterns lately, with quite a bit of success. Glad to see your using the metal lathe for wood turning as I do. Also, no reference in my casting book here of a "follow board". With my patterns I use wood, tube, anything with body filler, screws and plaster and I fet them to the engine as if it was an actual part. I then bog up the holes etc. The castings turn out OK cast "loose", with a finish that matches the style of the rest of the engine parts. My foundry blokes don't seem to have a problem with "loose" casting. Sometimes I get the gate runner (cutoff) in a place where I don't expect so I try to specify it where I can, but always assume the moulder knows better. Parting lines rarely turn up right on the centreline except if the part (pattern) is flat on one side. I might give the follow board a go next time and see what happens. Thanks again Graham in Oz Message: 7 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:37:50 -0500 From: Curt Subject: [SEL] Pattern #2 More on patterns.... This is a pattern "on board". Most foundries prefer on board patterns as opposed to loose because it is easier on them. As talent has left Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 19 04:40:49 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:40:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Business Cards In-Reply-To: <20050219113032.7759.qmail@web41128.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050219113032.7759.qmail@web41128.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050219073844.0dff7c00@mail.alltel.net> Hi Graham, There is a difference between the bible and THE BIBLE. I'm glad that you have finally figured that out! Dave At 06:30 AM 2/19/2005, you wrote: >Say Dave > >Silly me. When I read the PS line of your post I >thought ....hmmm...not a bad idea, calling in to all >the churches in your area slippin' your engine card in >between the pages so each Sunday when some old timer >is flipping the pages for the next hymn, out pops >Dave...and he finds a Dayton Globe. Not bad at all... >Then I gets to thinkin, blimey that's low, but hey, >well, this IS Dave (Rotweiller) we're talking about... >;-) > >Graham in Oz > >PS Ya shoulda put "bible" in quotes, like i just done, >see? > > >Message: 4 >Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:28:42 -0500 >From: Dave Rotigel >Subject: Re: [SEL] Business Cards > >Just take a picture (side view) of the engine that you >want > Dave >PS, Lots of them in the bible will work just fine. > > > >Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. >http://au.movies.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From prepair at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 19 04:44:12 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:44:12 +0000 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post In-Reply-To: <000501c5167c$75a328b0$95b63dca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000501c5167c$75a328b0$95b63dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:13:38 +0800, you wrote: >Does any one know of a site with the design of a good rear tool post? >thanks................... >Peter Ogborne To fit ? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Feb 19 06:45:38 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:45:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Pattern #2 References: <421635FE.7070806@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Thanks!! Corky and I have learned a lot. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 11:37 AM Subject: [SEL] Pattern #2 > More on patterns.... > This is a pattern "on board". Most foundries prefer on board patterns as > opposed to loose because it is easier on them. As talent has left the > foundry business, workers with less and less skills can produce with > these easy patterns. > This simple clevis on a Stickney fuel pump was made from dowel rod > pieces and glued together. Due to saw kerf width I just made two > identical patterns and sawed them in half to one side. Once sanded > smooth, this left two full halves to mount on board. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/RodClevis/Thumbnails.html > > Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From oldengin at udata.com Sat Feb 19 06:53:43 2005 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:53:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <37ud11hj22gijngr5clprd0pq9g62a38fg@4ax.com> References: <1c8.23bd1c6c.2f47f991@aol.com> <37ud11hj22gijngr5clprd0pq9g62a38fg@4ax.com> Message-ID: <421752F7.9020406@udata.com> >Portland is a truly great show, we fly over from the UK to go, this >will be out third year. There are also guys from Europe and Australia >that make the trip. > > > > REG. READ this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 19 07:15:00 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:15:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Baraboo - Gathering of the SEL In-Reply-To: <021920051054.5487.42171AF30003DF830000156F21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <021920051054.5487.42171AF30003DF830000156F21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt & Rex, I'll be there!!!! I'll have two engines, don't know at this point which ones. I'm even trying to talk that French mob into "doing Baraboo" as a prelude to Portland. I could use some help there... 8-))) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Rex, > Will be helping layout all the gas engine areas the weekend before and plan on > capturing the same spot back in the timber. Until our group can completely > fill in that area the club will not give us more turf yet. Let me know how > many engines you plan to bring in and we will make the necessary room. > Curt Andree > > > Hey how many SEL members plan to make the Baraboo show this year ? I'm > > looking forward meeting new members and maybe Curt will give us a bigger > > hunk of land , I really enjoyed seeing some of you last year , I hope to > > have my Economy E up and running if I ever get it out of Nebraska. > > > > Later > > Rex Hinz > > Baraboo From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Feb 19 07:31:16 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:31:16 -0800 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post Message-ID: <20050219.073116.1312.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Gday Peter. I have one here that I have never used, you are welcome to it. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:13:38 +0800 "peter ogborne" writes: > Does any one know of a site with the design of a good rear tool > post? > thanks................... > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au From rexhinz at chorus.net Sat Feb 19 07:34:08 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:34:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL References: <9.3e1b21e7.2f47fa5a@aol.com> Message-ID: <001001c51698$76212190$0a86a5d8@mycomputer> Baraboo Wisconsin is around 45 miles north west of Madison Wisconsin , right on Hy 12 , population right around 9.200 Home of The Circus World Museum , The Badger Gas And Steam Show is the I beleive now the biggest in Wisconsin and well worth the visit, thanks for asking Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL > I don't want to sound doumb but i've heard of baraboo but where is it located > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rexhinz at chorus.net Sat Feb 19 07:48:53 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:48:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Baraboo - Gathering of the SEL References: <021920051054.5487.42171AF30003DF830000156F21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <002c01c5169a$85d5e790$0a86a5d8@mycomputer> Hey Arnie ; looking forward to your visit again , and thanks for that green can of oil you gave me last time , I put it in the Maytag 92 and it quit smoking shortly after, I hope we can get more of the list up here , I wish I could make Portland this year as it sure sounds like a very good show, but will have to see what the wifey has to say Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 9:15 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Baraboo - Gathering of the SEL > Hi Curt & Rex, > > I'll be there!!!! I'll have two engines, don't know at this point which > ones. I'm even trying to talk that French mob into "doing Baraboo" as a > prelude to Portland. I could use some help there... 8-))) > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > > > Rex, > > Will be helping layout all the gas engine areas the weekend before and plan on > > capturing the same spot back in the timber. Until our group can completely > > fill in that area the club will not give us more turf yet. Let me know how > > many engines you plan to bring in and we will make the necessary room. > > Curt Andree > > > > > Hey how many SEL members plan to make the Baraboo show this year ? I'm > > > looking forward meeting new members and maybe Curt will give us a bigger > > > hunk of land , I really enjoyed seeing some of you last year , I hope to > > > have my Economy E up and running if I ever get it out of Nebraska. > > > > > > Later > > > Rex Hinz > > > Baraboo > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 19 08:25:34 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:25:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Baraboo - Gathering of the SEL (and Portland) In-Reply-To: <002c01c5169a$85d5e790$0a86a5d8@mycomputer> References: <021920051054.5487.42171AF30003DF830000156F21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <002c01c5169a$85d5e790$0a86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: Hi Rex, > looking forward to your visit again , and thanks for that green can of > oil you gave me last time , I put it in the Maytag 92 and it quit smoking > shortly after, That was the "Special Maytag Mix" at 50,000 to 1 wasn't it? 8-)) > I hope we can get more of the list up here , We're working on it.... > I wish I could > make Portland this year as it sure sounds like a very good show, but will > have to see what the wifey has to say Hell, that's the beauty of Portland!! Tons of cool stuff for wifey to do that isn't engine related and when she gets tired, there's a whole bunch of chairs and cool SEL folks sitting under a BIG canopy solving the world's problems. Man, it just doesn't get better than that!! Oh, did I mention that it's also the biggest engine show in the world? 8-)) Be there!! August 24-28, 2005. When that grandchild comes up to and asks "Daddy, how was Portland 2005?" you DO NOT want to hang your head and whimper, "I don't know (sob), I wasn't there..." BTW, this year is the 40th Annual Show. It's also Dolly's 40th, but don't tell her I told you so. 8->> See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sat Feb 19 09:09:31 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:09:31 -0800 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post References: <20050219.073116.1312.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <006001c516a5$c90fadb0$d7fe3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Ron, What folder? Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] rear tool post > Gday Peter. I have one here that I have never used, you are welcome to > it. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:13:38 +0800 "peter ogborne" > writes: > > Does any one know of a site with the design of a good rear tool > > post? > > thanks................... > > Peter Ogborne > > Little Grove ,Albany > > West Australia > > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > > jopeter at omninet.net.au > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Sat Feb 19 09:08:30 2005 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:08:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL References: <9.3e1b21e7.2f47fa5a@aol.com> <001001c51698$76212190$0a86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <001d01c516a5$a33fa7c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> how large is this event at baraboo? i live in south texas, and it would be a bit of a trip for me.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL > Baraboo Wisconsin is around 45 miles north west of Madison Wisconsin , > right on Hy 12 , population right around 9.200 Home of The Circus World > Museum , The Badger Gas And Steam Show is the I beleive now the biggest in > Wisconsin and well worth the visit, thanks for asking > > Rex Hinz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 8:11 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL > > > > I don't want to sound doumb but i've heard of baraboo but where is it > located > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 19 09:26:36 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:26:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Baraboo/now Portland In-Reply-To: <002c01c5169a$85d5e790$0a86a5d8@mycomputer> References: <021920051054.5487.42171AF30003DF830000156F21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <002c01c5169a$85d5e790$0a86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050219122155.0e042f08@mail.alltel.net> > I wish I could >make Portland this year as it sure sounds like a very good show, but will >have to see what the wifey has to say >Rex Hi Rex, DON'T MISS PORTLAND! Someone once said "They are still making wives, but they are not making old iron anymore!" Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 19 10:16:57 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 13:16:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Baraboo / Portland In-Reply-To: <001d01c516a5$a33fa7c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> References: <9.3e1b21e7.2f47fa5a@aol.com> <001001c51698$76212190$0a86a5d8@mycomputer> <001d01c516a5$a33fa7c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, It would be a helluva trip, one you would not forget!! You might talk to Steve & Mel Webre. They live in Louisiana and last year made the pilgrimage north to Baraboo then did Portland. I think they're planning on it again this year. You can get an idea about the size of the Baraboo show here... http://www.badgersteamandgas.com/ Just click on "Photos" and pick the year you want to look at. LOADS of pics on there. Then check out Portland. http://www.adamswells.com/~tristate/ Although I think the "first person" stories of Portland are more interesting. http://www.oldengine.org/members/Dolly/index.htm So plan to do Baraboo August 19-21 and then drive south to Portland and do that August 22-28. It just doesn't get any better!! See ya, Arnie On Sat, 19 Feb 2005, Tom Dunlap wrote: > how large is this event at baraboo? i live in south texas, and it would be > a bit of a trip for me.. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 19 10:09:37 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:09:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? Message-ID: <000801c516ae$2f00cf70$230110ac@PAUL> Hey Gang, what is the best software removal program available? I click on one and it may find 3 or 4, I click on another and it may find 10 to 12 and I clicked on Spy Killer 2005 and it found 45 but it cost $39.95 to get it to clean them out. I don't mind paying for a good program but don't know which one to buy......looking for suggestions. Paul From nick at holden1.net Sat Feb 19 10:19:40 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:19:40 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Re: Baraboo/now Portland References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050219122155.0e042f08@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4217833C.000001.02924@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi can you tell me is this Portland Oregon Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) -------Original Message------- From: Dave Rotigel Date: 02/19/05 17:39:40 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Re: Baraboo/now Portland > I wish I could >make Portland this year as it sure sounds like a very good show, but will >have to see what the wifey has to say >Rex Hi Rex, DON'T MISS PORTLAND! Someone once said "They are still making wives, but they are not making old iron anymore!" Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Feb 19 10:32:17 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:32:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? In-Reply-To: <000801c516ae$2f00cf70$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <20050219183217.60505.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Paul I use a combination of Adaware and Spybot Search and Destroy. Both are free for personal use. Both are good in their own right, but using the two will pretty well makes sure that all nastys are deleted. Not sure offhand what the web addresses are, but if you type in the relevant names, you will get plenty of hits. Regards Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea --- Paul Maples wrote: > Hey Gang, what is the best software removal program available? I click on one and it may find 3 > or 4, I click on another and it may find 10 to 12 and I clicked on Spy Killer 2005 and it found > 45 but it cost $39.95 to get it to clean them out. I don't mind paying for a good program but > don't know which one to buy......looking for suggestions. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From bill at antique-engines.com Sat Feb 19 10:52:38 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:52:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? In-Reply-To: <000801c516ae$2f00cf70$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <200502191852.j1JIqcmC066251@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Have you tried the latest version of Spybot S&D? Last I saw it was in beta. It works pretty well. Microsoft has a freebie and I read recently when it's out of beta it's supposed to remain free, too. Hate to tell ya but NO anti-spyware I've tested to date will get them all - and I don't see that happening really soon, either. But SB S&D has been over-all the highest I've tried to date. Sure, there's bound to be something it misses, but its percentages are good. The Spyware folks have more motivation and resources than virus creators and are working as hard as ever to get to your computer. There's big, no HUGE dollars at stake. In fact one type is so terrible that many have given up attempting to keep up with it and about the only surefire way to remove it is cwshredder. It's so nasty I've seen it pull tricks with an operating system I didn't even know were possible. It appears neither did some of the spyware remover people............ Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 12:10 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? Hey Gang, what is the best software removal program available? I click on one and it may find 3 or 4, I click on another and it may find 10 to 12 and I clicked on Spy Killer 2005 and it found 45 but it cost $39.95 to get it to clean them out. I don't mind paying for a good program but don't know which one to buy......looking for suggestions. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 19 11:04:06 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:04:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Portland In-Reply-To: <4217833C.000001.02924@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050219122155.0e042f08@mail.alltel.net> <4217833C.000001.02924@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: Hi Nick, > Hi can you tell me is this Portland Oregon > Nick Holden > Banbury > Oxfordshire (UK) Nope, much closer to you; Portland, Indiana. http://www.adamswells.com/~tristate/ I'd recommend these web pages as providing the best info for you. The gal that wrote them speaks your native language. 8-)) http://www.oldengine.org/members/Dolly/index.htm You might also contact Peter Forbes, Philip Thornton-Evison, Craig Morrison, or Neville Beaty. They've all made the pilgrimage to Mecca and survived to tell the tales. 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - These links will give you a feel for a Yank's perspective on YOUR rally scene. 8-)) http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/yank1.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/yank1.htm Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 19 10:58:34 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:58:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? References: <20050219183217.60505.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001a01c516b5$06046490$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks David, I do use both of those and ran both of them this morning but then saw Spy Killer 2005 which had gotten a good review and did a scan with it and found 45 more that spybot and Adware did not find so I was just wondering which one was best. Thanks for the comeback. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Everett" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? > Hi Paul > > I use a combination of Adaware and Spybot Search and Destroy. Both are > free for personal use. > Both are good in their own right, but using the two will pretty well makes > sure that all nastys > are deleted. > From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 19 11:18:42 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:18:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post In-Reply-To: <20050219.073116.1312.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20050219.073116.1312.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050219141716.0e075c70@mail.alltel.net> I think you guys had better think LONG and HARD before you say anything more about this thread. This is a "family oriented" List after all! Dave At 10:31 AM 2/19/2005, you wrote: >Gday Peter. I have one here that I have never used, you are welcome to >it. > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > >On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:13:38 +0800 "peter ogborne" > writes: > > Does any one know of a site with the design of a good rear tool > > post? > > thanks................... > > Peter Ogborne > > Little Grove ,Albany > > West Australia > > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > > jopeter at omninet.net.au >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Feb 19 11:27:56 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:27:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post Message-ID: <20050219.112756.1396.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Jim. The red one. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:09:31 -0800 "Jim and Diane" writes: > Hi Ron, > > What folder? > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 19 12:28:36 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 15:28:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Decals/Atis Auction Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050219151926.0e01c158@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, I've sent out all the SEL Decals for which I've received money. Rich Strobel's just went out this afternoon. Everyone else who has sent me money for them should have received them by now--if you sent me money and you didn't receive them let me know OFF LIST! I have collected $96.00 for the decals. That money will be sent to Spencer on Monday and he will put it toward the ATIS Charity Auction that was concluded last month. Thanks to all of you who participated! Dave From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Feb 19 14:07:24 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 15:07:24 -0700 Subject: OT[SEL] Spyware Removal Software? In-Reply-To: <200502191852.j1JIqcmC066251@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502191852.j1JIqcmC066251@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <4217B89C.1050609@earthlink.net> I use Addaware and Spybot, but nothing gets em all. Symantic will catch some but not clean them. Has to be done manually. For some up to date reading on this go to: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12707653~mode=flat Think I'll just hit the KVM switch and use the Mac for the internet. Jeff Bill Dickerson wrote: >Have you tried the latest version of Spybot S&D? Last I saw it was in beta. >It works pretty well. >Microsoft has a freebie and I read recently when it's out of beta it's >supposed to remain free, too. > >Hate to tell ya but NO anti-spyware I've tested to date will get them all - >and I don't see that happening really soon, either. But SB S&D has been >over-all the highest I've tried to date. Sure, there's bound to be something >it misses, but its percentages are good. > >The Spyware folks have more motivation and resources than virus creators and >are working as hard as ever to get to your computer. There's big, no HUGE >dollars at stake. > >In fact one type is so terrible that many have given up attempting to keep >up with it and about the only surefire way to remove it is cwshredder. It's >so nasty I've seen it pull tricks with an operating system I didn't even >know were possible. It appears neither did some of the spyware remover >people............ > > >Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples >Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 12:10 PM >To: Stationary Engine List >Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? > >Hey Gang, what is the best software removal program available? I click on >one and it may find 3 or 4, I click on another and it may find 10 to 12 and >I clicked on Spy Killer 2005 and it found 45 but it cost $39.95 to get it to >clean them out. I don't mind paying for a good program but don't know which >one to buy......looking for suggestions. > >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 18 10:14:27 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:14:27 -0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Keep track of what you have sent & received. Message-ID: <000501c515e5$b00b45b0$8c9f0952@no1> I have been tipped off about a free Beta Google program that lets you do a Google search in your own computer for things you have lost. http://desktop.google.com/ Its like a normal Google but only on your own information. Its a small free download (447 KB) & so far seems to work well! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sat Feb 19 15:11:06 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:11:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? In-Reply-To: <000801c516ae$2f00cf70$230110ac@PAUL> References: <000801c516ae$2f00cf70$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <4217C78A.4050505@wightman.ca> Hi Paul, I use Spy Bot search and destroy as well as Adaware. You can find them both at http://www.majorgeeks.com Seem to work well for me. Duncan Paul Maples wrote: -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 19 14:24:20 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:24:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? References: <200502191852.j1JIqcmC066251@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001a01c516d1$c519b760$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks Bill. Yes I have downloaded Spybot S&D today so I assume I got the latest version. I just got an e-mail message from SBC Yahoo DSL that they now have a free anti-spyware program available free to it's members, just ran it and it found 35 more that Spybot and Adware had missed. I will use Spybot, Adware and SBC Yahoo Anti Spy, this should be good enough for me. Thanks for the comeback. By the way is cwshredder a spyware program? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 12:52 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? > Have you tried the latest version of Spybot S&D? Last I saw it was in > beta. > It works pretty well. > Microsoft has a freebie and I read recently when it's out of beta it's > supposed to remain free, too. > > Hate to tell ya but NO anti-spyware I've tested to date will get them > all - > and I don't see that happening really soon, either. But SB S&D has been > From sleis at mwt.net Sat Feb 19 16:57:56 2005 From: sleis at mwt.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:57:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] 2005 show directory Message-ID: <002001c516e7$4e047aa0$0555becf@computer> Hi List Just thought I would let you know I received my 2005 show directory book in the mail yesterday. :-) Stacy Leis Elroy Wisconsin From ivancou at usachoice.net Sat Feb 19 15:03:41 2005 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:03:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? References: <000801c516ae$2f00cf70$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <000401c516d7$426c4a20$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Paul, you might try CCleaner , its free,super fast , available at www.Majorgeeks.com . Since were talking puters whats the opinion of Firefox browser ? Back to re assembling track sections . Ivan From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Feb 19 15:29:45 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:29:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? In-Reply-To: <000401c516d7$426c4a20$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> References: <000801c516ae$2f00cf70$230110ac@PAUL> <000401c516d7$426c4a20$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Message-ID: <1a860f60b783b8752e545d7faef29c96@chartertn.net> > Since were talking puters whats the opinion of Firefox browser ? My favorite on Windows. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From bill at antique-engines.com Sat Feb 19 15:30:31 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:30:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? In-Reply-To: <000401c516d7$426c4a20$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Message-ID: <200502192330.j1JNUtf6091893@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I use firefox almost exclusively. I have it on this notebook as well as desktop machine. It's faster and more secure and the add-ins you can get for it are awsome! Do a search for add-ins, they are free and add a lot of function. The browser doesn't put a lot of crap in your OS, it's "light-weight". Professional web developers prefer it because it's STANDARDS COMPLIANT and an excellent way to test new web development. IE is NOT standards compliant (go figure) Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ivan Cousins Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 5:04 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? Paul, you might try CCleaner , its free,super fast , available at www.Majorgeeks.com . Since were talking puters whats the opinion of Firefox browser ? Back to re assembling track sections . Ivan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Feb 19 17:16:03 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 01:16:03 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Baraboo - Gathering of the SEL Message-ID: <022020050116.11795.4217E4D2000E224A00002E1321979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hurry up and get on SKYPE and we will do a confrence call......there is strength in numbers...... Curt > Hi Curt & Rex, > > I'll be there!!!! I'll have two engines, don't know at this point which > ones. I'm even trying to talk that French mob into "doing Baraboo" as a > prelude to Portland. I could use some help there... 8-))) > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > > > Rex, > > Will be helping layout all the gas engine areas the weekend before and plan on > > capturing the same spot back in the timber. Until our group can completely > > fill in that area the club will not give us more turf yet. Let me know how > > many engines you plan to bring in and we will make the necessary room. > > Curt Andree > > > > > Hey how many SEL members plan to make the Baraboo show this year ? I'm > > > looking forward meeting new members and maybe Curt will give us a bigger > > > hunk of land , I really enjoyed seeing some of you last year , I hope to > > > have my Economy E up and running if I ever get it out of Nebraska. > > > > > > Later > > > Rex Hinz > > > Baraboo > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From EnginePaul at aol.com Sat Feb 19 18:04:36 2005 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:04:36 EST Subject: [SEL] OT Business cards again Message-ID: <2b.6d3c442b.2f494a34@aol.com> Someone just gave me a card that was printed for free at: www.Vistaprint.com They also have other cards that you can put your own photos on for a fee. I have no connection with this company and have never used them myself, but the card in my hand is pretty good. The price is good too. I consider this semi-engine show appropriate because some would like to exchange address and phone numbers. Paul in San Francisco From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Feb 19 18:55:05 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:55:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Update to tech pages Message-ID: <4217FC09.7050302@earthlink.net> Hi all, Thanks to Rick in Montana for digging deep into Jim's server. He found some info that Bill Tremel put online in 1998. I now have it indexed in the technical page I maintain. There are about 30 new links since I last updated the page. Well worth another look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/allen/techindex.html Once again I will ask all of you to send me links that would fit in. Jim has allowed me to add a non members section for tech links that are not on his server. I will continue to maintain and update this information as time allows. Please inform me of broken links and I will remove them. I check all links when I add them. I don't have time to go back and check them again. My goal is to make this technical index the "go to" place for all that play with old engines. Your continued support is appreciated. For the newbies in this hobby this link is a great read. http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Witte_B_OM.pdf Many of these PDF files are very large, and I would recommend downloading them as opposed to trying to view them. Take care and enjoy!! Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sat Feb 19 21:38:02 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:38:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? In-Reply-To: <000401c516d7$426c4a20$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> References: <000801c516ae$2f00cf70$230110ac@PAUL> <000401c516d7$426c4a20$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Message-ID: <4218223A.9090304@wightman.ca> Hi Ivan, We use Firefox here pretty much exclusively but I tried their e-mail client recently and found it didn't quite meet my needs. We run multiple accounts here and it wasn't quite up to the task. Still using Netscape for mail. Duncan Ivan Cousins wrote: >Paul, you might try CCleaner , its free,super fast , available at >www.Majorgeeks.com . >Since were talking puters whats the opinion of Firefox browser ? > Back to re assembling track sections . >Ivan > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Sat Feb 19 21:23:12 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:23:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Re Airbags OT Message-ID: <007801c5170c$4689a780$613354d2@cam> Thanks to those who answered my emails on the Airbags. Cam Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford NSW Australia From guitronics at comcast.net Sat Feb 19 21:42:05 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:42:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? In-Reply-To: <1a860f60b783b8752e545d7faef29c96@chartertn.net> References: <000801c516ae$2f00cf70$230110ac@PAUL> <000401c516d7$426c4a20$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> <1a860f60b783b8752e545d7faef29c96@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <4218232D.9000101@comcast.net> I love both Mozilla's Firefox and their email program: Thunderbird. The only problem I have is Arnie chewed me out for all the junk at the top of the "Header"....and I've not found a way to get that off there!!!! Thanks, Arnie!!! Hahahahaha John Culp wrote: >> Since were talking puters whats the opinion of Firefox browser ? > > > My favorite on Windows. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Sat Feb 19 05:14:01 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:14:01 +0800 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post In-Reply-To: <000501c5167c$75a328b0$95b63dca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000501c5167c$75a328b0$95b63dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <42173B99.4030003@optusnet.com.au> peter ogborne wrote: > Does any one know of a site with the design of a good rear tool post? > thanks................... > Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the > Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ============== Peter, there have been various designs for rear toolposts in the Model Engineer over the years. I have stopped subscribing, but have many year's editions stacked up. Call me back if you don't find anything else, as the vast majority of lathe attachment articles in the ME are for the Myford, but may be adaptable for you. Jack ============== From prepair at easynet.co.uk Sun Feb 20 02:39:37 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:39:37 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? In-Reply-To: <200502192330.j1JNUtf6091893@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <000401c516d7$426c4a20$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> <200502192330.j1JNUtf6091893@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:30:31 -0600, you wrote: >I use firefox almost exclusively. >I have it on this notebook as well as desktop machine. It's faster and more >secure and the add-ins you can get for it are awsome! Do a search for >add-ins, they are free and add a lot of function. >The browser doesn't put a lot of crap in your OS, it's "light-weight". >Professional web developers prefer it because it's STANDARDS COMPLIANT and >an excellent way to test new web development. IE is NOT standards compliant >(go figure) > >Bill We've been using Opera for some years now, and are pretty happy with it. We did use Firefox while at Tim's in San Jose last year, and downloaded a copy to try, but it seemed lacking in features compared with Opera so it hasn't gone forward from that initial trial. We have it here at work and on the network at home. One of the 'funnies' that I did notice with Opera is that they refuse to have ActiveX as part of the browser for security reasons, so when we got our Gmail invite the other evening, we had to revert to IE to set up the account and use it. Even IE wouldn't work with Gmail until we loaded the very latest updates from Microsnot, and that update is February 2005, not an old one as we run the Windows updates automatically. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Feb 20 03:49:28 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:49:28 +0800 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! Message-ID: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> For those of you with out the imagination of some of the deviates .........what i want to do is make a rear tool post so that i can part off with out the normal stress involved, ie'' part off ''a term used in turning,ie ''Turning '' ....using a lathe....the tool is upside down .............Christ this is like explaining the rules of Cricket to Americans. Jack Watson has come to the rescue Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Feb 20 03:51:44 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:51:44 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Re Airbags OT References: <007801c5170c$4689a780$613354d2@cam> Message-ID: <003901c51742$92406020$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> Cameron ............I am rather intrigued, are you fitting air bags in a vehicle that does not have them as std or are you replacing same? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Grundy" To: "LISTMAIL" Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:23 PM Subject: [SEL] Re Airbags OT > Thanks to those who answered my emails on the Airbags. Cam > Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford NSW > Australia > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Feb 20 04:15:19 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:15:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <8b2e2576831fce26e4ef68f67dd68da2@chartertn.net> I don't get it, Peter. You want to do something deviant with crickets? Through the post? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From prepair at easynet.co.uk Sun Feb 20 04:28:50 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 12:28:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:49:28 +0800, you wrote: >For those of you with out the imagination of some of the deviates >.........what i want to do is make a rear tool post so that i can part off >with out the normal stress involved, ie'' part off ''a term used in >turning,ie ''Turning '' ....using a lathe....the tool is upside down >.............Christ this is like explaining the rules of Cricket to >Americans. >Jack Watson has come to the rescue >Peter Ogborne Which is why I asked what it was to fit..... Have replied off-list to your direct email. We have four ward Capstan lathes which all have rear toolposts for parting off, the main idea being that they don't lift the headstock shaft when cutting metal as they are on the other side of the job compared with the normal turning tool. We just bought a job lot of ward 2C stuff on ebay from a company that was closing, got two chucks, a lot of collets and more tooling. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From rwenig at telus.net Sat Feb 19 23:06:44 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:06:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Pattern #2 In-Reply-To: <421635FE.7070806@imc-group.com> References: <421635FE.7070806@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42183704.3020208@telus.net> Hello Curt, Nice pages but I'm curious about one thing. Is there any reason why you used whole dowels instead of ready made 1/2 round shapes to make the pattern? Course, maybe you didn't have the 1/2 rounds on hand. :-) Rupert Curt wrote: > More on patterns.... > This is a pattern "on board". Most foundries prefer on board patterns as > opposed to loose because it is easier on them. As talent has left the > foundry business, workers with less and less skills can produce with > these easy patterns. > This simple clevis on a Stickney fuel pump was made from dowel rod > pieces and glued together. Due to saw kerf width I just made two > identical patterns and sawed them in half to one side. Once sanded > smooth, this left two full halves to mount on board. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/RodClevis/Thumbnails.html > > > Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > From falcon at telenet.net Sun Feb 20 05:57:41 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 08:57:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Business cards again References: <2b.6d3c442b.2f494a34@aol.com> Message-ID: <004a01c51754$257455c0$741117d1@net.telenet.net> Only thing I saw on their site was that they don't use any security on their data entry pages. That is not a good thing if you don't want everyone to know that info. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 9:04 PM Subject: [SEL] OT Business cards again > Someone just gave me a card that was printed for free at: > www.Vistaprint.com > They also have other cards that you can put your own photos on for a fee. > > I have no connection with this company and have never used them myself, but > the card in my hand is pretty good. The price is good too. > > I consider this semi-engine show appropriate because some would like to > exchange address and phone numbers. > > Paul in San Francisco > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Feb 20 05:56:02 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 06:56:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Business cards again References: <2b.6d3c442b.2f494a34@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks Paul, I've played around with it some, and it definetly has possiblities Just need a B&W silouetted picture of a stationary HC horizontal with no background. Scanner is broke so the bible is out. Take Care, RickinMt. PS: Am I sending in HTML..sure looks like it?? ----- Original Message ----- From: EnginePaul at aol.com To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: [SEL] OT Business cards again Someone just gave me a card that was printed for free at: www.Vistaprint.com They also have other cards that you can put your own photos on for a fee. I have no connection with this company and have never used them myself, but the card in my hand is pretty good. The price is good too. I consider this semi-engine show appropriate because some would like to exchange address and phone numbers. Paul in San Francisco _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From prepair at easynet.co.uk Sun Feb 20 07:04:09 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:04:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Business cards again In-Reply-To: References: <2b.6d3c442b.2f494a34@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 06:56:02 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks Paul, I've played around with it some, and it definetly has possiblities Just need a B&W silouetted picture of a stationary HC horizontal with no background. Scanner is broke so the bible is out. > >Take Care, >RickinMt. >PS: Am I sending in HTML..sure looks like it?? Rick: It is plain text that is coming through. Haven't got any HC engines in the archives, but there are some engravings of old engines on our website, and I have others that you can look at if you cannot find the one you want. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sun Feb 20 08:05:51 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:05:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question Message-ID: <4218B55F.1000507@wightman.ca> Hi Folks, Sorry about the O.T. question but I don't know how to proceed on this one. We just got a new computer and are running XP. After start up, everything runs fine but after a while, if you are not using the internet, you can't get on the net until you restart the computer. It is like something is timing out. I have compared settings to the old computer but must be missing something. Any ideas would be appreciated. -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From reb at apex.net Sun Feb 20 07:17:09 2005 From: reb at apex.net (REB) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:17:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re Airbags OT References: <007801c5170c$4689a780$613354d2@cam> <003901c51742$92406020$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <004301c5175f$3f5fc4a0$6400a8c0@Dads> I'm not sure what Cameron is doing with the air bags either but I married mine! ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 5:51 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re Airbags OT > Cameron ............I am rather intrigued, are you fitting air bags in a > vehicle that does not have them as std or are you replacing same? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cameron Grundy" > To: "LISTMAIL" > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:23 PM > Subject: [SEL] Re Airbags OT > > >> Thanks to those who answered my emails on the Airbags. Cam >> Cam and Edwina Grundy >> Kariong >> Gosford NSW >> Australia >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sun Feb 20 08:26:16 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:26:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question Message-ID: <4218BA28.70106@wightman.ca> Hi Folks, Sorry about the O.T. question but I don't know how to proceed on this one. We just got a new computer and are running XP. After start up, everything runs fine but after a while, if you are not using the internet, you can't get on the net until you restart the computer. It is like something is timing out. I have compared settings to the old computer but must be missing something. Any ideas would be appreciated. Dunc -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From rexhinz at chorus.net Sun Feb 20 07:53:45 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:53:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Find Message-ID: <001f01c51764$71aa6cd0$5d86a5d8@mycomputer> Hi all; Found another Maytag at an auction just a mile down my road, its a model 92 side exhaust and has never been restored, I out bid everybody carried it to the truck and took it home , the carb was just gunned up , I cleaned the carby put a little gas in and it started right up, it is complete and compression is like new , I think I will leave it as is for the shows as I have a 92 all restored and painted , I also have a model L Briggs that I was told was real rare and that the "L" stands for Lucky to have one, any Briggs collectors out there who may shead some light on the model L ? Thanks Rex From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sun Feb 20 08:24:38 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 11:24:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? References: <20050219183217.60505.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004201c51768$ac70abf0$5ef1a518@SkipBetty> www.download.com will get you there. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Everett" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? > Hi Paul > > I use a combination of Adaware and Spybot Search and Destroy. Both are > free for personal use. > Both are good in their own right, but using the two will pretty well makes > sure that all nastys > are deleted. > > Not sure offhand what the web addresses are, but if you type in the > relevant names, you will get > plenty of hits. > > Regards > > Dave > Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea > > --- Paul Maples wrote: >> Hey Gang, what is the best software removal program available? I click on >> one and it may find 3 >> or 4, I click on another and it may find 10 to 12 and I clicked on Spy >> Killer 2005 and it found >> 45 but it cost $39.95 to get it to clean them out. I don't mind paying >> for a good program but >> don't know which one to buy......looking for suggestions. >> >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005 From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Feb 20 08:33:14 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 11:33:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Find In-Reply-To: <001f01c51764$71aa6cd0$5d86a5d8@mycomputer> References: <001f01c51764$71aa6cd0$5d86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050220113002.0e19bea8@mail.alltel.net> >Hi all; > Found another Maytag at an auction just a mile down my road, its a model >92 side exhaust and has never been restored, I out bid everybody carried it >to the truck and took it home >Rex Hi Rex, You have my sympathy! Your wife is, indeed, some sort of saint to put up with this sort of nonsense! Dave PS, Seriously, I bid on one last week that was complete but it went for more than the $0.69 that it was worth! From rexhinz at chorus.net Sun Feb 20 09:51:41 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 11:51:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Find References: <001f01c51764$71aa6cd0$5d86a5d8@mycomputer> <6.1.2.0.0.20050220113002.0e19bea8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000b01c51774$d7f4b170$2d86a5d8@mycomputer> Dave ; My wife just told me she is looking for a real man , one that collects engines worth more then $0.69 , I was stunned to say the least , I told her about Dave who has Big Engines and things and She was ready to head your way , UNTIL Me got a real Idea , why not put the maytag on her washboard ! now she thinks me Rex is a real cool fellow , she can take the wash to the creek ,kick the maytag and when the jackpump box moves the washboard up and down all she has to do is hold the cloths on it and Presto! NOW Me Rex DA King ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Find > > >Hi all; > > Found another Maytag at an auction just a mile down my road, its a model > >92 side exhaust and has never been restored, I out bid everybody carried it > >to the truck and took it home > >Rex > > Hi Rex, You have my sympathy! Your wife is, indeed, some sort of saint to > put up with this sort of nonsense! > Dave > PS, Seriously, I bid on one last week that was complete but it went for > more than the $0.69 that it was worth! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rholtzer at earthlink.net Sun Feb 20 09:51:56 2005 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:51:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? In-Reply-To: <000801c516ae$2f00cf70$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20050220094840.00c2abb8@mail.earthlink.net> Paul, I use Spybot and Ad-Aware. Both are "freebies" but seem to work well. Ad-Aware is from LavaSoft. I don't have the addresses for them but a search should find them quickly. Both update from time to time. Bob Holtzer At 12:09 PM 2/19/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Hey Gang, what is the best software removal program available? I click on >one and it may find 3 or 4, I click on another and it may find 10 to 12 >and I clicked on Spy Killer 2005 and it found 45 but it cost $39.95 to get >it to clean them out. I don't mind paying for a good program but don't >know which one to buy......looking for suggestions. > >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nick at holden1.net Sun Feb 20 10:10:51 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:10:51 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] portland Message-ID: <4218D2AB.000003.01144@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Thanks Arnie for the Portland info Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) From rholtzer at earthlink.net Sun Feb 20 10:14:47 2005 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:14:47 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question In-Reply-To: <4218BA28.70106@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20050220101331.00bd98d8@mail.earthlink.net> Might be worth querying your modem via Control Panel diagnostics. It should tell you whether or not your modem is OK. Bob Holtzer At 10:26 AM 2/20/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Hi Folks, > >Sorry about the O.T. question but I don't know how to proceed on this one. >We just got a new computer and are running XP. After start up, everything >runs fine but after a while, if you are not using the internet, you can't >get on the net until you restart the computer. It is like something is >timing out. I have compared settings to the old computer but must be >missing something. >Any ideas would be appreciated. > >Dunc > >-- >Duncan Denman >Ayton, Ontario >Canada >Antique Gas Engines & Tractors >Home Page >http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nick at holden1.net Sun Feb 20 10:23:45 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:23:45 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? References: <4.2.2.20050220094840.00c2abb8@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4218D5B1.000001.01568@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> http://www.lavasoftusa.com/ this is the address you need Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) -------Original Message------- From: Robert L. Holtzer Date: 02/20/05 18:12:07 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? Paul, I use Spybot and Ad-Aware. Both are "freebies" but seem to work well. Ad-Aware is from LavaSoft. I don't have the addresses for them but a search should find them quickly. Both update from time to time. Bob Holtzer At 12:09 PM 2/19/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Hey Gang, what is the best software removal program available? I click on >one and it may find 3 or 4, I click on another and it may find 10 to 12 >and I clicked on Spy Killer 2005 and it found 45 but it cost $39.95 to get >it to clean them out. I don't mind paying for a good program but don't >know which one to buy......looking for suggestions. > >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 20 10:29:34 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:29:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question In-Reply-To: <4218BA28.70106@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <20050220182934.83566.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, abiut a year ago, I got an EP and mine seems to somewhat act the same. If it sets running but idle for a while and you then click on the internet connection, it soletimes takes up to a minute for it to come up. Almost acts like it was busy doing something and had to finish before it could bring up the net connection. Sometimes if I double click the second time it seems to hurry it up but then both connections come up. Don't know. Hope you get a good answer. I'd like to also get it fixed. Ron Duncan Denman wrote: Hi Folks, Sorry about the O.T. question but I don't know how to proceed on this one. We just got a new computer and are running XP. After start up, everything runs fine but after a while, if you are not using the internet, you can't get on the net until you restart the computer. It is like something is timing out. I have compared settings to the old computer but must be missing something. Any ideas would be appreciated. Dunc -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. From rholtzer at earthlink.net Sun Feb 20 10:40:25 2005 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:40:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? In-Reply-To: <000401c516d7$426c4a20$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> References: <000801c516ae$2f00cf70$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20050220103642.00c4da58@mail.earthlink.net> Thanks for the suggestion. The program identified 300+ mb of files to be cleaned out! I check with Spybot and Ad-Aware weekly or so. With some fear and trepidation I had Cleaner do its thing! Nothing crashed so far -- always encouraging! These programs all seem to have somewhat different targets to be removed. Very difficult to keep ahead of the unwanted files that come over Internet. Bob Holtzer At 06:03 PM 2/19/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Paul, you might try CCleaner , its free,super fast , available at >www.Majorgeeks.com . >Since were talking puters whats the opinion of Firefox browser ? > Back to re assembling track sections . >Ivan > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 20 10:47:53 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 12:47:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Spyware Recommendations - Thanks Message-ID: <00e701c5177c$b34eda00$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks everyone who responded to my query regarding the best spyware to use. I have settled on SpyBot, Adware, and Yahoo Anti-Spy, this should keep me pretty well cleaned out. Paul From bill at antique-engines.com Sun Feb 20 11:40:12 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:40:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20050220101331.00bd98d8@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200502201940.j1KJeBeE098596@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Check in device manager, modem properties and make sure that it's not set to allow the OS to power the modem down to save energy. Some dummy at Microsoft decided it was ok to power down modems and network cards after a period to save power - yeah, right - how much power can a modem or network card take. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Holtzer Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:15 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question Might be worth querying your modem via Control Panel diagnostics. It should tell you whether or not your modem is OK. Bob Holtzer At 10:26 AM 2/20/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Hi Folks, > >Sorry about the O.T. question but I don't know how to proceed on this one. >We just got a new computer and are running XP. After start up, >everything runs fine but after a while, if you are not using the >internet, you can't get on the net until you restart the computer. It >is like something is timing out. I have compared settings to the old >computer but must be missing something. >Any ideas would be appreciated. > >Dunc > >-- >Duncan Denman >Ayton, Ontario >Canada >Antique Gas Engines & Tractors >Home Page >http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From driggars at earthlink.net Sun Feb 20 12:20:19 2005 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:20:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question References: <200502201940.j1KJeBeE098596@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <03db01c51789$99f11840$80438304@clinton> That is what it sounds like to me also, the power down scheme? Clint > Check in device manager, modem properties and make sure that it's not set to > allow the OS to power the modem down to save energy. > Some dummy at Microsoft decided it was ok to power down modems and network > cards after a period to save power - yeah, right - how much power can a > modem or network card take. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. > Holtzer > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:15 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question > > Might be worth querying your modem via Control Panel diagnostics. It should > tell you whether or not your modem is OK. > > Bob Holtzer > > At 10:26 AM 2/20/2005 -0600, you wrote: > >Hi Folks, > > > >Sorry about the O.T. question but I don't know how to proceed on this one. > >We just got a new computer and are running XP. After start up, > >everything runs fine but after a while, if you are not using the > >internet, you can't get on the net until you restart the computer. It > >is like something is timing out. I have compared settings to the old > >computer but must be missing something. > >Any ideas would be appreciated. > > > >Dunc > > > >-- > >Duncan Denman > >Ayton, Ontario > >Canada > >Antique Gas Engines & Tractors > >Home Page > >http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ivancou at usachoice.net Sun Feb 20 13:24:22 2005 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:24:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? References: <000801c516ae$2f00cf70$230110ac@PAUL> <4.2.2.20050220103642.00c4da58@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000401c51792$8cf297a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> It can also ignore good cookies and such by clicking on the options box in the upper right hand corner and selecting what you want to keep . Taking the groups advice I downloaded Firefox ,and what a difference ! Ivan From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 20 14:06:26 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:06:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question In-Reply-To: <03db01c51789$99f11840$80438304@clinton> Message-ID: <20050220220626.91373.qmail@web14127.mail.yahoo.com> Nope, everything is set to never shut down. Ron Clint D wrote: That is what it sounds like to me also, the power down scheme? Clint > Check in device manager, modem properties and make sure that it's not set to > allow the OS to power the modem down to save energy. > Some dummy at Microsoft decided it was ok to power down modems and network > cards after a period to save power - yeah, right - how much power can a > modem or network card take. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. > Holtzer > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:15 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question > > Might be worth querying your modem via Control Panel diagnostics. It should > tell you whether or not your modem is OK. > > Bob Holtzer > > At 10:26 AM 2/20/2005 -0600, you wrote: > >Hi Folks, > > > >Sorry about the O.T. question but I don't know how to proceed on this one. > >We just got a new computer and are running XP. After start up, > >everything runs fine but after a while, if you are not using the > >internet, you can't get on the net until you restart the computer. It > >is like something is timing out. I have compared settings to the old > >computer but must be missing something. > >Any ideas would be appreciated. > > > >Dunc > > > >-- > >Duncan Denman > >Ayton, Ontario > >Canada > >Antique Gas Engines & Tractors > >Home Page > >http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. From mmco at cox-internet.com Sun Feb 20 14:24:51 2005 From: mmco at cox-internet.com (mmco) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:24:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Business cards again In-Reply-To: <2b.6d3c442b.2f494a34@aol.com> References: <2b.6d3c442b.2f494a34@aol.com> Message-ID: <42190E33.3060909@cox-internet.com> Do a goggle search for AVERY business card creator , download it ( its a freebie )and make professional looking cards in just a few minutes . You can do a free download of IRFANVIEW and use it to creat a image of your engine that you want to put on your card with out any trouble . Bo Hinch EnginePaul at aol.com wrote: > Someone just gave me a card that was printed for free at: > www.Vistaprint.com > They also have other cards that you can put your own photos on for a fee. > Paul in San Francisco From brianne at ultratune.com.au Sun Feb 20 14:46:03 2005 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:46:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Message-ID: <005a01c5179d$f5b82ec0$2a54dccb@pcuser> Hi Guys This is a very interesting site re. spyware and rogue programmes pretending to be spyware removers. http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm The general recommendation is to cover yourself by having more than one. Brian Taylor Hervey Bay Historical Museum 13 Zephyr St..Scarness Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Feb 20 15:51:48 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 07:51:48 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Re Airbags OT References: <007801c5170c$4689a780$613354d2@cam><003901c51742$92406020$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <004301c5175f$3f5fc4a0$6400a8c0@Dads> Message-ID: <003301c517a7$285e8eb0$a7cf3dca@ogborneuah38i3> I reckon you would not have the "Guts '' to say that to her face !! ----- Original Message ----- From: "REB" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re Airbags OT > I'm not sure what Cameron is doing with the air bags either but I married > mine! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 5:51 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Re Airbags OT > > >> Cameron ............I am rather intrigued, are you fitting air bags in a >> vehicle that does not have them as std or are you replacing same? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cameron Grundy" >> To: "LISTMAIL" >> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:23 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Re Airbags OT >> >> >>> Thanks to those who answered my emails on the Airbags. Cam >>> Cam and Edwina Grundy >>> Kariong >>> Gosford NSW >>> Australia >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Feb 20 15:54:33 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 07:54:33 +0800 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <8b2e2576831fce26e4ef68f67dd68da2@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <003901c517a7$8cffaa70$a7cf3dca@ogborneuah38i3> Hey John ,we will get stamped on by the thought police if we continue in this vein . Cricket ........as as we in Oz would say '' I have bowled some maiden overs ''. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! >I don't get it, Peter. You want to do something deviant with crickets? >Through the post? > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rholtzer at earthlink.net Sun Feb 20 17:37:38 2005 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:37:38 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question In-Reply-To: <200502201940.j1KJeBeE098596@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <4.2.2.20050220101331.00bd98d8@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20050220173119.00c2da78@mail.earthlink.net> Bill, where is this feature found? I don't see it in Device Manager modem or Control Panel modem phone. Is there another modem power management location. I have XP Home. My modem is external -- possibly this location has different power management. Thanks. Bob Holtzer At 01:40 PM 2/20/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Check in device manager, modem properties and make sure that it's not set to >allow the OS to power the modem down to save energy. >Some dummy at Microsoft decided it was ok to power down modems and network >cards after a period to save power - yeah, right - how much power can a >modem or network card take. > >Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. >Holtzer >Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:15 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question > >Might be worth querying your modem via Control Panel diagnostics. It should >tell you whether or not your modem is OK. > >Bob Holtzer > >At 10:26 AM 2/20/2005 -0600, you wrote: > >Hi Folks, > > > >Sorry about the O.T. question but I don't know how to proceed on this one. > >We just got a new computer and are running XP. After start up, > >everything runs fine but after a while, if you are not using the > >internet, you can't get on the net until you restart the computer. It > >is like something is timing out. I have compared settings to the old > >computer but must be missing something. > >Any ideas would be appreciated. > > > >Dunc > > > >-- > >Duncan Denman > >Ayton, Ontario > >Canada > >Antique Gas Engines & Tractors > >Home Page > >http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Feb 20 18:07:21 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:07:21 EST Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question Message-ID: <11.3f77a507.2f4a9c59@aol.com> In a message dated 2/20/2005 5:58:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, rholtzer at earthlink.net writes: Bill, where is this feature found? I don't see it in Device Manager modem or Control Panel modem phone. Is there another modem power management location. I have XP Home. My modem is external -- possibly this location has different power management. Look in the XP Windows "Help and Support" and type in "power management modem". You should get several topics which may help you solve your problem. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From old_iron at msn.com Sun Feb 20 18:13:09 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:13:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20050220173119.00c2da78@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: If you go to "control panel" you should see an icon labeled "power management" it is in there. Peg Pfeiffer >From: "Robert L. Holtzer" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question >Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:37:38 -0800 > >Bill, where is this feature found? I don't see it in Device Manager modem >or Control Panel modem phone. Is there another modem power management >location. I have XP Home. My modem is external -- possibly this location >has different power management. > >Thanks. > >Bob Holtzer > >At 01:40 PM 2/20/2005 -0600, you wrote: >>Check in device manager, modem properties and make sure that it's not set >>to >>allow the OS to power the modem down to save energy. >>Some dummy at Microsoft decided it was ok to power down modems and network >>cards after a period to save power - yeah, right - how much power can a >>modem or network card take. >> >>Bill >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. >>Holtzer >>Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:15 PM >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question >> >>Might be worth querying your modem via Control Panel diagnostics. It >>should >>tell you whether or not your modem is OK. >> >>Bob Holtzer >> >>At 10:26 AM 2/20/2005 -0600, you wrote: >> >Hi Folks, >> > >> >Sorry about the O.T. question but I don't know how to proceed on this >>one. >> >We just got a new computer and are running XP. After start up, >> >everything runs fine but after a while, if you are not using the >> >internet, you can't get on the net until you restart the computer. It >> >is like something is timing out. I have compared settings to the old >> >computer but must be missing something. >> >Any ideas would be appreciated. >> > >> >Dunc >> > >> >-- >> >Duncan Denman >> >Ayton, Ontario >> >Canada >> >Antique Gas Engines & Tractors >> >Home Page >> >http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >SEL mailing list >> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From EnginePaul at aol.com Sun Feb 20 18:33:46 2005 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:33:46 EST Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question Message-ID: Not sure where you are on this but when you get to Power Options (in the Control Panel) make sure the Power Scheme is not "Portable/Laptop" That makes some things work slower and turn off earlier. There is a Kim Komando web site that has lots of helpful stuff. From curt at imc-group.com Mon Feb 21 06:58:53 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:58:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pattern #2 In-Reply-To: <42183704.3020208@telus.net> References: <421635FE.7070806@imc-group.com> <42183704.3020208@telus.net> Message-ID: <4219F72D.6000101@imc-group.com> Rupert, I've never seen these 1/2 round shapes you speak of. Sounds like they could sure save a lot of work! Where do you find these? The three diameters on this small part are .884, .808, and 1.051. They are odd numbers but they account for shrinkage so that when cooled come back to standard British dimensions. I imagine the 1/2 rounds could be cut long and spot glued at the ends, turned to the needed diameter, and the glued area cut off to give perfect halves. Are these 1/2 rounds available in much larger diameters, such as 2 or 3" diameter? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Rupert Wenig wrote: > Hello Curt, > Nice pages but I'm curious about one thing. Is there any reason > why you used whole dowels instead of ready made 1/2 round shapes to > make the pattern? Course, maybe you didn't have the 1/2 rounds on > hand. :-) > > Rupert > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Feb 21 07:11:22 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:11:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: <5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> Message-ID: <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> Peter, > the main idea being that they don't lift the headstock >shaft when cutting metal as they are on the other side of the job >compared with the normal turning tool. > > Peter & Peter, OK I'll bite, how are parting forces different than regular turning forces? Both exert the same tendence to lift the headstock. But is this a problem? I've seen a few of the back parting setups mentioned and just figured it was a time saving thing....eliminating a tool change. You got my curiosity up. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From prepair at easynet.co.uk Mon Feb 21 07:39:39 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:39:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:11:22 -0500, you wrote: >Peter, > >> the main idea being that they don't lift the headstock >>shaft when cutting metal as they are on the other side of the job >>compared with the normal turning tool. >> >> >Peter & Peter, >OK I'll bite, how are parting forces different than regular turning >forces? Both exert the same tendence to lift the headstock. But is this >a problem? I've seen a few of the back parting setups mentioned and just >figured it was a time saving thing....eliminating a tool change. You got >my curiosity up. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC Draw a piece of bar looking from the stailstock end of the lathe, direction of rotation anticlock looking at the end. Draw a tool cutting from the left hand side, the reaction to the cut is to lift the bar vertically? Then do the same on the opposite side of the bar, keeping the rotation the same but with the tool inverted, the reaction is downwards? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From prepair at easynet.co.uk Mon Feb 21 08:10:21 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:10:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6p1k11dr3u01jvv15hug21na16cq6v6jli@4ax.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:11:22 -0500, you wrote: >Peter, > >> the main idea being that they don't lift the headstock >>shaft when cutting metal as they are on the other side of the job >>compared with the normal turning tool. >> >> >Peter & Peter, >OK I'll bite, how are parting forces different than regular turning >forces? Both exert the same tendence to lift the headstock. But is this >a problem? I've seen a few of the back parting setups mentioned and just >figured it was a time saving thing....eliminating a tool change. You got >my curiosity up. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC There's a picture of our Ward 2A tool slide with the slot for the rear toolholder visible but no toolpost fitted: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Ward/Ward7.jpg We just picked up a load of Ward 2C stuff on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3870262613 There's a couple of conventional chucks, one 3-jaw and one 2-jaw which we haven't got at present, plus a box of collets, 2 X 4-way toolposts and a load of tooling. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 08:17:56 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:17:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605022108173bbb1bea@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:39:39 +0000, Prepair Ltd wrote: > On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:11:22 -0500, you wrote: > > >Peter, > > > >> the main idea being that they don't lift the headstock > >>shaft when cutting metal as they are on the other side of the job > >>compared with the normal turning tool. > >> > >> > >Peter & Peter, > >OK I'll bite, how are parting forces different than regular turning > >forces? Both exert the same tendence to lift the headstock. But is this > >a problem? I've seen a few of the back parting setups mentioned and just > >figured it was a time saving thing....eliminating a tool change. You got > >my curiosity up. > >Curt Holland > >Gastonia, NC > > Draw a piece of bar looking from the stailstock end of the lathe, > direction of rotation anticlock looking at the end. > > Draw a tool cutting from the left hand side, the reaction to the cut > is to lift the bar vertically? > > Then do the same on the opposite side of the bar, keeping the rotation > the same but with the tool inverted, the reaction is downwards? > > Peter I think that there are a couple of angled rear toolholders for just that purpose in the stuff we picked up on ebay, I'll have a look and mount one up and take a shot of it. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Feb 21 08:22:46 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:22:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! Message-ID: <410-220052121162246687@coastalnet.com> Peter, I still don't see any advantage to simply changing the direction of the force on a revolving piece since the force is the same regardless. Seems like a follow rest or center rest is the only way to minimize flexing. Is there any other reason for this technique? Ken > Draw a piece of bar looking from the stailstock end of the lathe, > direction of rotation anticlock looking at the end. > > Draw a tool cutting from the left hand side, the reaction to the cut > is to lift the bar vertically? > > Then do the same on the opposite side of the bar, keeping the rotation > the same but with the tool inverted, the reaction is downwards? > > > Peter > From rholtzer at earthlink.net Mon Feb 21 08:27:59 2005 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:27:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question In-Reply-To: <11.3f77a507.2f4a9c59@aol.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20050221082734.00c28a10@mail.earthlink.net> Thanks. Bob H At 09:07 PM 2/20/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >In a message dated 2/20/2005 5:58:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, >rholtzer at earthlink.net writes: > >Bill, where is this feature found? I don't see it in Device Manager modem >or Control Panel modem phone. Is there another modem power management >location. I have XP Home. My modem is external -- possibly this location >has different power management. > > > >Look in the XP Windows "Help and Support" and type in "power management >modem". You should get several topics which may help you solve your >problem. > >Francis Maciel >Santa Maria, CA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Feb 21 08:31:48 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:31:48 EST Subject: [SEL] Re Airbags OT Message-ID: <155.4ac77fae.2f4b66f4@aol.com> A friend of mine installed airbags on his 4 x 4 Ford pickup. He uses them as overload springs to help stabilizes the truck loading when he has his heavy camper placed on the pickup. He regulates the air pressure inside the airbags depending on the load. He said that this set up costed him about $300.00 (USD) and he did the installation himself. When operating the truck without the camper shell, he maintain about 5 psi air pressure. With the camper shell installed, he said that the pickup was very stable when traveling on the highway. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From rholtzer at earthlink.net Mon Feb 21 08:33:44 2005 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:33:44 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.2.20050220173119.00c2da78@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20050221083129.00c28678@mail.earthlink.net> Yes, there is power management information. However, I am unable to find anything specifically allowing or causing a modem to be shut down -- even for portable machines. There is nothing in Help that helps either. Thanks for the response. Bob H At 08:13 PM 2/20/2005 -0600, you wrote: >If you go to "control panel" you should see an icon labeled "power >management" it is in there. > >Peg Pfeiffer > >>From: "Robert L. Holtzer" >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question >>Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:37:38 -0800 >> >>Bill, where is this feature found? I don't see it in Device Manager >>modem or Control Panel modem phone. Is there another modem power >>management location. I have XP Home. My modem is external -- possibly >>this location has different power management. >> >>Thanks. >> >>Bob Holtzer >> >>At 01:40 PM 2/20/2005 -0600, you wrote: >>>Check in device manager, modem properties and make sure that it's not set to >>>allow the OS to power the modem down to save energy. >>>Some dummy at Microsoft decided it was ok to power down modems and network >>>cards after a period to save power - yeah, right - how much power can a >>>modem or network card take. >>> >>>Bill >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. >>>Holtzer >>>Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:15 PM >>>To: The SEL email discussion list >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question >>> >>>Might be worth querying your modem via Control Panel diagnostics. It should >>>tell you whether or not your modem is OK. >>> >>>Bob Holtzer >>> >>>At 10:26 AM 2/20/2005 -0600, you wrote: >>> >Hi Folks, >>> > >>> >Sorry about the O.T. question but I don't know how to proceed on this one. >>> >We just got a new computer and are running XP. After start up, >>> >everything runs fine but after a while, if you are not using the >>> >internet, you can't get on the net until you restart the computer. It >>> >is like something is timing out. I have compared settings to the old >>> >computer but must be missing something. >>> >Any ideas would be appreciated. >>> > >>> >Dunc >>> > >>> >-- >>> >Duncan Denman >>> >Ayton, Ontario >>> >Canada >>> >Antique Gas Engines & Tractors >>> >Home Page >>> >http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch >>> > >>> > >>> >_______________________________________________ >>> >SEL mailing list >>> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Mon Feb 21 08:41:26 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:41:26 -0800 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! Message-ID: Rather than using a rear tool post, couldn't you simply reverse the rotation of the work piece and use the normal tool post with the tool inverted? George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Ken Christison > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:23 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! > > Peter, > > I still don't see any advantage to simply changing the > direction of the force on a revolving piece since the force > is the same regardless. > Seems like a follow rest or center rest is the only way to > minimize flexing. Is there any other reason for this technique? > > Ken From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 08:47:50 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:47:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: <410-220052121162246687@coastalnet.com> References: <410-220052121162246687@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605022108472c48e151@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:22:46 -0500, Ken Christison wrote: > Peter, > > I still don't see any advantage to simply changing the direction of the > force on a revolving piece since the force is the same regardless. > Seems like a follow rest or center rest is the only way to minimize > flexing. Is there any other reason for this technique? > > Ken Hi Ken: The running shaft has its closest tolerances between the bearing and shaft at the bottom, due to the weight of the shaft and the lubrication oil which tends to run above the shaft. Thus any lifting forces will move the shaft up, displacing the oil and changing the position of the shaft in relation to the tool, whereas the other way the shaft is already at its lowest point and there is minimal change. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 08:50:17 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:50:17 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re Airbags OT In-Reply-To: <155.4ac77fae.2f4b66f4@aol.com> References: <155.4ac77fae.2f4b66f4@aol.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050221085076875839@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:31:48 EST, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > A friend of mine installed airbags on his 4 x 4 Ford pickup. He uses them > as overload springs to help stabilizes the truck loading when he has his heavy > camper placed on the pickup. He regulates the air pressure inside the > airbags depending on the load. He said that this set up costed him about $300.00 > (USD) and he did the installation himself. When operating the truck without > the camper shell, he maintain about 5 psi air pressure. With the camper > shell installed, he said that the pickup was very stable when traveling on the > highway. > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA We used to buy in Firestone 'Aeon' rubber buffers to increase load carrying capacity, plus they did pump-up bags as well. You can get shock absorbers that you can pump up for more capacity, we had an estate car that had this feature, and very useful it was too! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Feb 21 08:51:11 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:51:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Find Message-ID: <20050221.115123.1088.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rex, You might try this site on the Briggs "L". http://www.asecc.com Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 21 08:54:03 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:54:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: <410-220052121162246687@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <20050221165403.13528.qmail@web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Ken Where the advantage comes with the rear mounted parting tool is that the cutting forces drive the cross slide down into the lathe bed - a solid base, minimising the tendency for the tool to dig in. Using the parting tool in the conventional toolpost tends to lift the cross slide, making the parting tool less stable - more chance of a dig-in. OK. Make sense? Regards Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea --- Ken Christison wrote: > Peter, > > I still don't see any advantage to simply changing the direction of the > force on a revolving piece since the force is the same regardless. > Seems like a follow rest or center rest is the only way to minimize > flexing. Is there any other reason for this technique? > > Ken > > > Draw a piece of bar looking from the stailstock end of the lathe, > > direction of rotation anticlock looking at the end. > > > > Draw a tool cutting from the left hand side, the reaction to the cut > > is to lift the bar vertically? > > > > Then do the same on the opposite side of the bar, keeping the rotation > > the same but with the tool inverted, the reaction is downwards? > > > > > > Peter > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From curt at imc-group.com Mon Feb 21 09:03:46 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:03:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: <6p1k11dr3u01jvv15hug21na16cq6v6jli@4ax.com> References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> <6p1k11dr3u01jvv15hug21na16cq6v6jli@4ax.com> Message-ID: <421A1472.9080004@imc-group.com> Peter, I'm not asking about the force direction. I can see that parting on the backside can be used to pull the headstock shaft downwards.(Incidentally this lifts up on the carriage and it likely an even worse situation) But my question was, what is the issue on pushing up on the headstock when parting? It is the same reaction as you get with standard turning. Curt Prepair Ltd wrote: >> > > > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Feb 21 08:59:34 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:59:34 -0800 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3><5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <006201c51836$b948be20$e8fe3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> OK the reaction is different but it should not make any difference unless you are depending on gravity to hold the spindle in one place. The main reason for the rear tool post is convenience and speed. On a turret lathe the cut off tool is almost always upside down and mounted in the rear. This allows room for 4 tools in the front square turret. If this is done right the rear tool is in the correct position to cut off when the last front tool has finished whatever it is doing. I ran a turret lathe many years ago, the foreman had strongly held feelings about doing things fast and I had this principal very firmly brought to mind on several occasions. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! > Peter, > > > the main idea being that they don't lift the headstock > >shaft when cutting metal as they are on the other side of the job > >compared with the normal turning tool. > > > > > Peter & Peter, > OK I'll bite, how are parting forces different than regular turning > forces? Both exert the same tendence to lift the headstock. But is this > a problem? I've seen a few of the back parting setups mentioned and just > figured it was a time saving thing....eliminating a tool change. You got > my curiosity up. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Feb 21 09:12:16 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:12:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #3 Message-ID: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> Here is a link to an odd shaped part, a Stickney fuel pump priming lever. I seriously procrastinated starting on this piece fearing it would be too difficult with my primitive woodworking skills. In reality it was one of the easier patterns in the project. This piece will be cast loose as I don't think I could make a follow board for it. Few foundries are willing to take the time to do loose patterns here. Hope you enjoy this: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/PrimingLever/Thumbnails.html Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Feb 21 09:10:59 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:10:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Airbags - Helpers In-Reply-To: <155.4ac77fae.2f4b66f4@aol.com> References: <155.4ac77fae.2f4b66f4@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Francis, I put a set of these on my Jeep Wrangler. VAST improvement! It's a much happier vehicle riding level. Does a lot for MY piece of mind too. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > A friend of mine installed airbags on his 4 x 4 Ford pickup. He uses them > as overload springs to help stabilizes the truck loading when he has his heavy > camper placed on the pickup. He regulates the air pressure inside the > airbags depending on the load. He said that this set up costed him about $300.00 > (USD) and he did the installation himself. When operating the truck without > the camper shell, he maintain about 5 psi air pressure. With the camper > shell installed, he said that the pickup was very stable when traveling on the > highway. From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Feb 21 08:51:11 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:51:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Find Message-ID: <20050221.121347.1288.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rex, You might try this site on the Briggs "L". http://www.asecc.com Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Feb 21 09:23:17 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:23:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Globe Invincible corn sheller Message-ID: Question from Pete. If you can help, please reply to him off-list at plowe at ceinternet.com.au ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Peter Lowe [mailto:plowe at ceinternet.com.au] Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 9:44 PM To: Arnie Fero Subject: Hi Arnie from Oz Hi mate Can you pass this along please to ATIS Pete, oz Hi all To assist me and those who can help check the link below. I need information on the Globe Invincible corn sheller. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/corn%20sheller/globe%20c orn%20sheller.htm Regards Peter, Oz From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Feb 21 09:39:01 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:39:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Patterns #3 In-Reply-To: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Simply gorgeous!! Well done Curt! On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Curt wrote: > Here is a link to an odd shaped part, a Stickney fuel pump priming > lever. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 09:33:13 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:33:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f602516050221093340185985@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:41:26 -0800, George Best wrote: > Rather than using a rear tool post, couldn't you simply reverse the > rotation of the work piece and use the normal tool post with the tool > inverted? > George Yes, you could, but it takes time to stop, reverse direction and change the tool, whereas the rear toolpost is already there, just has to be wound in to make the cut without moving the turret or the workpiece. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Feb 21 08:51:11 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:51:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Find Message-ID: <20050221.124049.1268.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rex, You might try this site on the Briggs "L". http://www.asecc.com Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Feb 21 10:02:44 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:02:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #3 In-Reply-To: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com> Well, Curt, I don't know whether to think of you first as a metal worker or a wood worker. Very good work. Gary Curt wrote: > Here is a link to an odd shaped part, a Stickney fuel pump priming > lever. I seriously procrastinated starting on this piece fearing it > would be too difficult with my primitive woodworking skills. In reality > it was one of the easier patterns in the project. This piece will be > cast loose as I don't think I could make a follow board for it. Few > foundries are willing to take the time to do loose patterns here. > Hope you enjoy this: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/PrimingLever/Thumbnails.html > > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From rexhinz at chorus.net Mon Feb 21 10:12:42 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:12:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Find References: <20050221.124049.1268.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <000901c51840$f22b8880$6686a5d8@mycomputer> Thanks Joe; I found the site and the serial# to year section, its a 1930 I don't collect Briggs but I couldn.t turn this one down as the price was real fair , thanks again Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Find > Hi Rex, > > You might try this site on the Briggs "L". > > http://www.asecc.com > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - > \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Mon Feb 21 10:15:58 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:15:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #3 Message-ID: Curt, Another great pattern making example!! You make it look so easy I'm ashamed I never finished my fuel mixer pattern. Its also great to see something posted about engines! ;-) George in Oregon (where the other Portland is) > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 9:12 AM > To: SEL > Subject: [SEL] Patterns #3 > > Here is a link to an odd shaped part, a Stickney fuel pump > priming lever. I seriously procrastinated starting on this > piece fearing it would be too difficult with my primitive > woodworking skills. In reality it was one of the easier > patterns in the project. This piece will be cast loose as I > don't think I could make a follow board for it. Few foundries > are willing to take the time to do loose patterns here. > Hope you enjoy this: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/ > PrimingLever/Thumbnails.html > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rwenig at telus.net Mon Feb 21 10:26:30 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:26:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Pattern #2 In-Reply-To: <4219F72D.6000101@imc-group.com> References: <421635FE.7070806@imc-group.com> <42183704.3020208@telus.net> <4219F72D.6000101@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <421A27D6.6050106@telus.net> Hello Curt, The lumber yards in larger centers (such as Edmonton) stock the 1/2 rounds in various sizes usually in increments from 1/4" going up by 1/8". I don't recall what the largest size they carry was. Check the centers that specialize in finishing lumber more so than centers that cater to construction building supplies. Unfortunately, the local stores where I live don't carry half round either so I either have to go to the big city or make my own. I see from your sizes that size may be a problem so what I do if I need a special size is to use double sided tape to hold two pieces of stock together before turning to a round or to shape using the tape line as a center line. Parting at the tape line will give two equal but opposite halves. An alternative is to glue a piece of paper between the two boards instead of using the double sided tape. Either method works equally well. I use this method for many of my patterns I make specially when I make patterns for wheels, pulleys or sprockets as the tape line becomes the parting line for the pattern. I big advantage to using the tape or a paper sandwiched between (as I see it) is only one pattern needs to be made to get the two halves. Also, I use the tape line as a reference line when I make patterns so the parting line is always the tape line. You probably know this but I suggest to made the stock a bit long and use a safety clamp to help the tape hold the two pieces together at the ends if you only have a pointy center for your tail stock. Rupert Curt wrote: > Rupert, > I've never seen these 1/2 round shapes you speak of. Sounds like they > could sure save a lot of work! Where do you find these? > The three diameters on this small part are .884, .808, and 1.051. They > are odd numbers but they account for shrinkage so that when cooled come > back to standard British dimensions. I imagine the 1/2 rounds could be > cut long and spot glued at the ends, turned to the needed diameter, and > the glued area cut off to give perfect halves. > Are these 1/2 rounds available in much larger diameters, such as 2 or 3" > diameter? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Rupert Wenig wrote: > >> Hello Curt, >> Nice pages but I'm curious about one thing. Is there any reason >> why you used whole dowels instead of ready made 1/2 round shapes to >> make the pattern? Course, maybe you didn't have the 1/2 rounds on >> hand. :-) >> >> Rupert >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rwenig at telus.net Mon Feb 21 10:29:11 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:29:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #3 In-Reply-To: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <421A2877.1010202@telus.net> Hello Curt, Nice pattern. What did you use for the numbers? Rupert Curt wrote: > Here is a link to an odd shaped part, a Stickney fuel pump priming > lever. I seriously procrastinated starting on this piece fearing it > would be too difficult with my primitive woodworking skills. In reality > it was one of the easier patterns in the project. This piece will be > cast loose as I don't think I could make a follow board for it. Few > foundries are willing to take the time to do loose patterns here. > Hope you enjoy this: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/PrimingLever/Thumbnails.html > > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 21 10:43:45 2005 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:43:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] duh! References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Didn't there used to be an Old Engine list at this url ? Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Patterns #3 > Well, Curt, I don't know whether to think of you first as a metal worker > or a wood worker. Very good work. > > Gary > > Curt wrote: >> Here is a link to an odd shaped part, a Stickney fuel pump priming lever. >> I seriously procrastinated starting on this piece fearing it would be too >> difficult with my primitive woodworking skills. In reality it was one of >> the easier patterns in the project. This piece will be cast loose as I >> don't think I could make a follow board for it. Few foundries are willing >> to take the time to do loose patterns here. >> Hope you enjoy this: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/PrimingLever/Thumbnails.html >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > -- > In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at > a leisurely pace. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Feb 21 10:44:36 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:44:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050221134043.021e2e28@mail.alltel.net> >Peter & Peter, >OK I'll bite, how are parting forces different than regular turning >forces? Both exert the same tendence to lift the headstock. But is this a >problem? I've seen a few of the back parting setups mentioned and just >figured it was a time saving thing....eliminating a tool change. You got >my curiosity up. >Curt Holland Damn it Curt, This is a family oriented List. I'll kindly thank you not to post this kind of thing in the future. Missy and Devin may not be on the List to read this kind of smut, but some do have wives and children who read posts from the List. Dave PS, Have you located any cedar logs for me to pick up in the fall? From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Feb 21 11:49:12 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:49:12 EST Subject: [SEL] Patterns #3 Message-ID: <1c9.23b09040.2f4b9538@aol.com> In a message dated 2/21/2005 12:25:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: << Here is a link to an odd shaped part, a Stickney fuel pump priming lever. I seriously procrastinated starting on this piece fearing it would be too difficult with my primitive woodworking skills. >> Curt, Thanks for all the casting posts recently! Beautiful work and am learning things about the cast pattern making process. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Mon Feb 21 11:58:17 2005 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:58:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Patterns -IH M fuel pump? In-Reply-To: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Has anyone made any patterns for the IH "M" fule pumps? Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ From diesel at easynet.co.uk Mon Feb 21 12:22:19 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:22:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: <421A1472.9080004@imc-group.com> References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> <6p1k11dr3u01jvv15hug21na16cq6v6jli@4ax.com> <421A1472.9080004@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <9ngk115i686nj1rl1bk1e49aeijbdtdk1j@4ax.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:03:46 -0500, you wrote: >Peter, >I'm not asking about the force direction. I can see that parting on the >backside can be used to pull the headstock shaft downwards.(Incidentally >this lifts up on the carriage and it likely an even worse situation) >But my question was, what is the issue on pushing up on the headstock >when parting? It is the same reaction as you get with standard turning. >Curt Yes, in that sense it would be the same. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Feb 21 12:25:16 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:25:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] duh! Now OT In-Reply-To: <005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com> <005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <421A43AC.3040101@fidnet.com> Hey Ted, I'm not sure this is very far removed from old engines. Curt has visually shown us how we can get started in having unvailable parts cast for our repairs on old engines. In the interests of being "family" I shared my appreciation of his impressive work. I think this is appropiate. You will note that I did include an OT flat on this reply. ;) Gary Ted Brookover wrote: > Didn't there used to be an Old Engine list at this url ? > > Ted Brookover > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > 816-763-3142 > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 12:02 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Patterns #3 > > >> Well, Curt, I don't know whether to think of you first as a metal >> worker or a wood worker. Very good work. >> >> Gary >> >> Curt wrote: >> >>> Here is a link to an odd shaped part, a Stickney fuel pump priming >>> lever. I seriously procrastinated starting on this piece fearing it >>> would be too difficult with my primitive woodworking skills. In >>> reality it was one of the easier patterns in the project. This piece >>> will be cast loose as I don't think I could make a follow board for >>> it. Few foundries are willing to take the time to do loose patterns >>> here. >>> Hope you enjoy this: >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/PrimingLever/Thumbnails.html >>> Curt Holland >>> Gastonia, NC >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> -- >> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move >> at a leisurely pace. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Feb 21 12:42:49 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:42:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] duh! In-Reply-To: <005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com> <005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: Hmmmm, Ted, this actually IS an old engine thread. Did you miss that Curt was making a fuel pump priming lever for a Stickney? I can't think of a more "on topic" thread. See ya, Arnie On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Ted Brookover wrote: > Didn't there used to be an Old Engine list at this url ? > > > > Curt wrote: > >> Here is a link to an odd shaped part, a Stickney fuel pump priming lever. > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/PrimingLever/Thumbnails.html From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Feb 21 12:37:58 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:37:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Patterns -IH M fuel pump? References: Message-ID: <001701c51855$3ad2fdc0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Yes, there have to be at least three different ones, but it is much cheaper to buy a new one, or would you like to set up a business in fuel pumps. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Has anyone made any patterns for the IH "M" fule pumps? > Andrew. > > >From Andrew at > tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com > engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com > b10730 at hotmail.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 12:55:35 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:55:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] duh! In-Reply-To: <005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com> <005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <6f60251605022112553a9f3e74@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:43:45 -0600, Ted Brookover wrote: > Didn't there used to be an Old Engine list at this url ? > > Ted Brookover Hi Ted: Sorry if this is a bit machinery-orientated, but you'll see behind it all a lot of engine stuff if you look closely. With the amount of expertise and equipment we have between the List members, there should be almost nothing that couldn't be made or recreated for the old iron. We hope to start making some of the threaded spares for Listers soon, such as the main cylinder studs and the exhaust lifter lever that Arnie was after a year or so ago. Curt has been showing his casting and patternmaking skills, and hopefully we can persuade others to contribute, even yourself on the magneto spares side? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From glenn.karch at gte.net Mon Feb 21 13:05:58 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:05:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Niagara decal Message-ID: <004301c51859$28608fa0$6729ea41@oemcomputer> Hi Gang, My current project is the restoration of a 2 HP Plessisville, Quebec built Niagara brand engine. Does anyone out there have a good example of the decal and its colors? Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Feb 21 13:28:26 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:28:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Lister Threaded Spares In-Reply-To: <6f60251605022112553a9f3e74@mail.gmail.com> References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com> <005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <6f60251605022112553a9f3e74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Put me on the list. I still need one. Who knows, having that part in hand might give me the incentive to remove the flywheel and free up that stuck governor sleeve. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > We hope to start making some of the threaded spares for Listers soon, > such as the main cylinder studs and the exhaust lifter lever that > Arnie was after a year or so ago. Curt has been showing his casting > and patternmaking skills, and hopefully we can persuade others to > contribute, even yourself on the magneto spares side? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Feb 21 13:24:20 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:24:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Patterns -IH M fuel pump? References: Message-ID: <006301c5185b$b5cf9d20$bb84dccb@oemcomputer> I make and have in stock fuel pumps for IHC M's in 3 sizes ,1.5,3&6 HP and 3types for the 1.5HP engines.I make these in bronze. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 6:58 Subject: [SEL] Patterns -IH M fuel pump? > Has anyone made any patterns for the IH "M" fule pumps? > Andrew. > > >From Andrew at > tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com > engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com > b10730 at hotmail.com > > Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ > http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Feb 21 13:42:21 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:42:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Conical Valve Springs Message-ID: Hi Folks, >From time to time folks are looking for conical springs for intake or exhaust valve applications. The Reid Tool Company carries a bunch of different sizes. http://www/reidtool.com Just search on "conical spring". Their free paper catalog is a good one to keep in the shop. Lots of good bits in there. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 21 13:47:37 2005 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:47:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] duh! References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com><005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <6f60251605022112553a9f3e74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002a01c5185e$f60b5f20$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> I've got news for you Peter and all the rest of you as well, I made my first pattern 30 years ago and needed no one to hold my hand and show the way. I willnow be gone and say no more. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] duh! > On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:43:45 -0600, Ted Brookover > wrote: >> Didn't there used to be an Old Engine list at this url ? >> >> Ted Brookover > > Hi Ted: > > Sorry if this is a bit machinery-orientated, but you'll see behind it > all a lot of engine stuff if you look closely. > > With the amount of expertise and equipment we have between the List > members, there should be almost nothing that couldn't be made or > recreated for the old iron. > > We hope to start making some of the threaded spares for Listers soon, > such as the main cylinder studs and the exhaust lifter lever that > Arnie was after a year or so ago. Curt has been showing his casting > and patternmaking skills, and hopefully we can persuade others to > contribute, even yourself on the magneto spares side? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Feb 21 13:58:40 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:58:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #3 In-Reply-To: <421A2877.1010202@telus.net> References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2877.1010202@telus.net> Message-ID: <421A5990.1020007@imc-group.com> Rupert, The letters are from Freemen Supply and this is the style used: http://www.freemansupply.com/SharpFaceGothicWhi.htm They have several styles that can be seen here: http://www.freemansupply.com/choose/patternletters.htm Could you post pictures some of the patterns you have made? What is the thickness of the double sided tape you are using? Curt Rupert Wenig wrote: > Hello Curt, > Nice pattern. What did you use for the numbers? > > Rupert > > Curt wrote: > >> Here is a link to an odd shaped part, a Stickney fuel pump priming >> lever. I seriously procrastinated starting on this piece fearing it >> would be too difficult with my primitive woodworking skills. In >> reality it was one of the easier patterns in the project. This piece >> will be cast loose as I don't think I could make a follow board for >> it. Few foundries are willing to take the time to do loose patterns >> here. >> Hope you enjoy this: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/PrimingLever/Thumbnails.html >> >> >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Mon Feb 21 13:58:34 2005 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:58:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Patterns -IH M fuel pump? In-Reply-To: <001701c51855$3ad2fdc0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Well, I have the tools to make the casting, and I was wondering if anyone had made any patterns, I don't know about making a business out of it, but yes I would probably make a few of them... >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, John Hammink wrote: > Yes, there have to be at least three different ones, but it is > much cheaper to buy a new one, or would you like to set up > a business in fuel pumps. > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > Has anyone made any patterns for the IH "M" fule pumps? > > Andrew. > > > > >From Andrew at > > tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com > > engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com > > b10730 at hotmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Feb 21 14:14:28 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:14:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050221134043.021e2e28@mail.alltel.net> References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050221134043.021e2e28@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <421A5D44.6020703@imc-group.com> Dave, Actually I do have a card from a tree service guy I talked to about a month ago. He thinks he's got some. Thanks for the nudge to follow up on that lead. Hey, is Arnie ever going to post those pictures taken at Cotton Ginning Days taken with you helping me hold onto my big log? I admit it was mighty scary with you holding it so close to that 31" diameter blade :-) Curt P.S. Absolutely my last post that is not family appropriate.....riiiight. Dave Rotigel wrote: > > Damn it Curt, > This is a family oriented List. I'll kindly thank you not to > post this kind of thing in the future. Missy and Devin may not be on > the List to read this kind of smut, but some do have wives and > children who read posts from the List. > Dave > PS, Have you located any cedar logs for me to pick up in the fall? > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 14:16:28 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:16:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Lister Threaded Spares In-Reply-To: References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com> <005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <6f60251605022112553a9f3e74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605022114163e304763@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:28:26 -0500 (EST), Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Put me on the list. I still need one. > > Who knows, having that part in hand might give me the incentive to > remove the flywheel and free up that stuck governor sleeve. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie 'kay, but I have a spare one I can bring over to Portland.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 14:16:28 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:16:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Lister Threaded Spares In-Reply-To: References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com> <005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <6f60251605022112553a9f3e74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605022114163e304763@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:28:26 -0500 (EST), Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Put me on the list. I still need one. > > Who knows, having that part in hand might give me the incentive to > remove the flywheel and free up that stuck governor sleeve. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie 'kay, but I have a spare one I can bring over to Portland.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Feb 21 14:54:40 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:54:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] duh! OT! In-Reply-To: <002a01c5185e$f60b5f20$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com><005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <6f60251605022112553a9f3e74@mail.gmail.com> <002a01c5185e$f60b5f20$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <421A66B0.8040809@imc-group.com> That nice Ted, real nice.... I'm happy that you started making patterns 30 years ago. The result of that is one of the most comprehensive records of ignitors in the world. I have made a complete copy of your ignitor photos because it is such a fine reference. You have posted that work on the internet for all to see and occasionally report that you make updates. I was under the impression that the SEL was a forum in which we all could post show pictures and reports, auction results, ask questions about our engines, and tell a little bit about what we are doing. Some of us younger fellows (42 here) are where you were 20 years ago perhaps. Good energy levels, good enthusiasm, and a strong willingness to share with others what we are working on at the moment. There is probably as much work in documenting and web page writing for such work as there is in the work itself. Frankly there has been little on topic discussion on the list lately and I was hoping to get some discussion, any discussion, about engines going. Your tirade will likely kill what little discussion was getting started. (But I sure hope not) There will be two more posts on pattern making from me. One tomorrow and one on Wednesday. That will conclude my contribution for the moment on Stickney patterns. If those post don't meet with your approval I encourage the use of your delete key. Regards, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Ted Brookover wrote: > I've got news for you Peter and all the rest of you as well, I made my > first pattern 30 years ago and needed no one to hold my hand and show > the way. I willnow be gone and say no more. > From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Mon Feb 21 14:49:45 2005 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:49:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] duh! In-Reply-To: <002a01c5185e$f60b5f20$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: OK, I uaually don't say much on here, and there is a lot of good info i've picked up from being on this list, but I think I would agree with Peter here, all this stuff is good info to have and I think that almost anyone who does restoration of old engines may at one point have to make their own patterns if a part cannot be located. It could certainly be quite useful I think... >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ > > Hi Ted: > > > > Sorry if this is a bit machinery-orientated, but you'll see behind it > > all a lot of engine stuff if you look closely. > > > > With the amount of expertise and equipment we have between the List > > members, there should be almost nothing that couldn't be made or > > recreated for the old iron. > > > > We hope to start making some of the threaded spares for Listers soon, > > such as the main cylinder studs and the exhaust lifter lever that > > Arnie was after a year or so ago. Curt has been showing his casting > > and patternmaking skills, and hopefully we can persuade others to > > contribute, even yourself on the magneto spares side? > > > > Peter > > -- > > Peter A Forbes > > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Feb 21 14:59:20 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:59:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Niagara decal In-Reply-To: <004301c51859$28608fa0$6729ea41@oemcomputer> References: <004301c51859$28608fa0$6729ea41@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <421A67C8.20709@imc-group.com> Glenn, I found this picture in my files on a Plessisville that I think is a Hercules copy. Same thing??? http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/Plessisville.jpg Someone in Georgia was selling this engine a few years ago. The color is black and perhaps the graphics is useful. Sorry it is not a better picture. Curt Glenn A Karch wrote: >Hi Gang, > >My current project is the restoration of a 2 HP Plessisville, Quebec built >Niagara brand engine. Does anyone out there have a good example of the >decal and its colors? > >Glenn > >Glenn Karch >Haubstadt, IN, USA >Hercules Historian > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 21 15:16:49 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:16:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] duh! OT! In-Reply-To: <421A66B0.8040809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20050221231649.39422.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com> That's great ted would be nice if we were all as old as you and as smart. Ron Curt wrote: That nice Ted, real nice.... I'm happy that you started making patterns 30 years ago. The result of that is one of the most comprehensive records of ignitors in the world. I have made a complete copy of your ignitor photos because it is such a fine reference. You have posted that work on the internet for all to see and occasionally report that you make updates. I was under the impression that the SEL was a forum in which we all could post show pictures and reports, auction results, ask questions about our engines, and tell a little bit about what we are doing. Some of us younger fellows (42 here) are where you were 20 years ago perhaps. Good energy levels, good enthusiasm, and a strong willingness to share with others what we are working on at the moment. There is probably as much work in documenting and web page writing for such work as there is in the work itself. Frankly there has been little on topic discussion on the list lately and I was hoping to get some discussion, any discussion, about engines going. Your tirade will likely kill what little discussion was getting started. (But I sure hope not) There will be two more posts on pattern making from me. One tomorrow and one on Wednesday. That will conclude my contribution for the moment on Stickney patterns. If those post don't meet with your approval I encourage the use of your delete key. Regards, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Ted Brookover wrote: > I've got news for you Peter and all the rest of you as well, I made my > first pattern 30 years ago and needed no one to hold my hand and show > the way. I willnow be gone and say no more. > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' From todengine at zoominternet.net Mon Feb 21 15:40:09 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:40:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OK Here's A Post About old Stationary Iron! Message-ID: <00b101c5186e$ae412020$fdc19a18@pengy> This post should make up for all of the off topic stuff if we were to gauge the significance of the on topic posts by the sheer tonnage of old stationary iron talked about!! :-) I'm itching to get back to work on the Tod Engine display site. I have talked to a contractor with a skid steer with auger to drill the holes for the foundation piers for the display pavilion, and once we get a few nice days I'll get him out there to do the work. Then I'll get a few forms in place and start pouring the next portion of the concrete display slab. One way or another the concrete work will get done this spring and the remainder of the engine gets moved to the site this summer (or fall depending upon how busy the riggers are!) Maybe you've noticed in the new show directory that we are listed for having a show on September 17 and 18. This is the goal that I have set for having enough of the site ready for our first open house and hopefully all of the engine parts will be there (if not reassembled yet). This will be an event to both thank the people who have assisted with the Tod Engine Project and also our first public gathering to show off the engine (parts). It would be fabulous if one or more SEL members could come out with an engine or two to run. That weekend also marks nine years since the beginning of removal of the engine from the mill on Sept. 20, 1996. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Feb 21 16:08:23 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:08:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre Message-ID: Howdy all; Went to put new shocks on my newly acquired Landcruiser. Put the floor jack under the trailer ball: http://community.webshots.com/photo/267622410/279540064rNbdde and look what happened after a couple of pumps on the jack handle: http://community.webshots.com/photo/279538561/279538561ClfHSm Popped right out. This is the type of ball that mounts with a bolt. Considering myself damn lucky today!!!!!!!!! RickinMt. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Feb 21 16:39:26 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:39:26 +0100 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre References: Message-ID: <000b01c51876$f61f2150$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hey Rick, your lucky gold digger :o)) John Hammink In windy Holland. > Howdy all; > Went to put new shocks on my newly acquired Landcruiser. Put the floor > jack under the trailer ball: > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/267622410/279540064rNbdde > > and look what happened after a couple of pumps on the jack handle: > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/279538561/279538561ClfHSm > > Popped right out. This is the type of ball that mounts with a bolt. > > Considering myself damn lucky today!!!!!!!!! > > RickinMt. From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Feb 21 16:42:22 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:42:22 EST Subject: [SEL] Re: Airbags - Helpers Message-ID: <100.da75e0c.2f4bd9ee@aol.com> In a message dated 2/21/2005 9:26:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: I put a set of these on my Jeep Wrangler. VAST improvement! It's a much happier vehicle riding level. Does a lot for MY piece of mind too. My buddy who installed the airbags on his Ford pickup tells me that the reason he didn't go with the air shock is that they place a large load on the shock interface studs/bolts. As a result, these bolts become a failure point. The airbag installation has brackets which fasten to the frame and the rear axle housing with the airbag going between these brackets. The shocks still operate as originally designed. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Feb 21 16:43:12 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:43:12 EST Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre Message-ID: <85.21d76226.2f4bda20@aol.com> In a message dated 2/21/2005 7:36:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << Considering myself damn lucky today!!!!!!!!! >> Rick, What the heck turned loose?? Hole too big, bushing in the hole, something rusted thru???? By some dumb luck I happened to notice the nut coming loose on my truck when at a show with the trailer attached. For some reason the nut had backed off. Found a flea market vendor with a pipe wrench he lent me. That could have ended in a real tragedy if it had completely turned loose while in tow! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rwenig at telus.net Mon Feb 21 16:43:39 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:43:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #3 In-Reply-To: <421A5990.1020007@imc-group.com> References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2877.1010202@telus.net> <421A5990.1020007@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <421A803B.3060109@telus.net> Hello Curt, Thanks for the links. Proper lettering is difficult to find in this are so they will be a big help. There are some pictures on my site at . Look under projects. I can post a few more if your interested. but, I must warn you, any of the engine pictures are for miniatures. :-) The double sided tape I have on hand measures about 0.005". The name on the package is Carpet Tape. I think the double sided scotch tape is a bit thicker but I don't have any to check. Rupert Curt wrote: > Rupert, > The letters are from Freemen Supply and this is the style used: > http://www.freemansupply.com/SharpFaceGothicWhi.htm > > They have several styles that can be seen here: > http://www.freemansupply.com/choose/patternletters.htm > > Could you post pictures some of the patterns you have made? > > What is the thickness of the double sided tape you are using? > Curt > From todengine at zoominternet.net Mon Feb 21 16:45:07 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:45:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre References: Message-ID: <013701c51877$c19d8d30$fdc19a18@pengy> My question is who takes a picture of jacking up the family car to put shocks on it? I've NEVER taken a picture of the oil pan drain plug on my F150 when I change the oil. Maybe I should start, just in case something wierd happens that I can share on the list? All kidding aside that was good to find this out now instead of while driving down the road and your trailer passes you in the left lane! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 7:08 PM Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre > Howdy all; > Went to put new shocks on my newly acquired Landcruiser. Put the floor > jack under the trailer ball: > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/267622410/279540064rNbdde > > and look what happened after a couple of pumps on the jack handle: > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/279538561/279538561ClfHSm > > Popped right out. This is the type of ball that mounts with a bolt. > > Considering myself damn lucky today!!!!!!!!! > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rwenig at telus.net Mon Feb 21 16:51:05 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:51:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] duh! OT! In-Reply-To: <20050221231649.39422.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050221231649.39422.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <421A81F9.50403@telus.net> Hey Guys, Ted seems to be the one with the most pattern making experience in the group. I think we should be prompting him to show use how to make patterns for any parts that are not available from any other source. How about it Ted? :-) Rupert Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote: > That's great ted would be nice if we were all as old as you and as smart. > Ron > > Curt wrote: > That nice Ted, real nice.... I'm happy that you started making patterns > 30 years ago. The result of that is one of the most comprehensive > records of ignitors in the world. I have made a complete copy of your > ignitor photos because it is such a fine reference. You have posted that > work on the internet for all to see and occasionally report that you > make updates. > > I was under the impression that the SEL was a forum in which we all > could post show pictures and reports, auction results, ask questions > about our engines, and tell a little bit about what we are doing. Some > of us younger fellows (42 here) are where you were 20 years ago perhaps. > Good energy levels, good enthusiasm, and a strong willingness to share > with others what we are working on at the moment. There is probably as > much work in documenting and web page writing for such work as there is > in the work itself. > Frankly there has been little on topic discussion on the list lately and > I was hoping to get some discussion, any discussion, about engines > going. Your tirade will likely kill what little discussion was getting > started. (But I sure hope not) > There will be two more posts on pattern making from me. One tomorrow and > one on Wednesday. That will conclude my contribution for the moment on > Stickney patterns. If those post don't meet with your approval I > encourage the use of your delete key. > Regards, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Ted Brookover wrote: > > >>I've got news for you Peter and all the rest of you as well, I made my >>first pattern 30 years ago and needed no one to hold my hand and show >>the way. I willnow be gone and say no more. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Feb 21 17:00:54 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:00:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] duh! OT! In-Reply-To: <421A66B0.8040809@imc-group.com> References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com><005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <6f60251605022112553a9f3e74@mail.gmail.com> <002a01c5185e$f60b5f20$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <421A66B0.8040809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <421A8446.8090204@earthlink.net> Keep em coming Curt, This is a great thread. Last time I made a pattern was in high school. That was over 30 years ago. Great to see the work, the comments, and sharing of ideas regarding this topic. Considering there is a finite number of original parts on the planet, we WILL have to make some in the future. No reason not to share our knowledge and ideas. This is on topic in my opinion. Jeff Allen Curt wrote: > That nice Ted, real nice.... I'm happy that you started making > patterns 30 years ago. The result of that is one of the most > comprehensive records of ignitors in the world. I have made a complete > copy of your ignitor photos because it is such a fine reference. You > have posted that work on the internet for all to see and occasionally > report that you make updates. > > I was under the impression that the SEL was a forum in which we all > could post show pictures and reports, auction results, ask questions > about our engines, and tell a little bit about what we are doing. Some > of us younger fellows (42 here) are where you were 20 years ago > perhaps. Good energy levels, good enthusiasm, and a strong willingness > to share with others what we are working on at the moment. There is > probably as much work in documenting and web page writing for such > work as there is in the work itself. > Frankly there has been little on topic discussion on the list lately > and I was hoping to get some discussion, any discussion, about engines > going. Your tirade will likely kill what little discussion was getting > started. (But I sure hope not) > There will be two more posts on pattern making from me. One tomorrow > and one on Wednesday. That will conclude my contribution for the > moment on Stickney patterns. If those post don't meet with your > approval I encourage the use of your delete key. > Regards, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Ted Brookover wrote: > >> I've got news for you Peter and all the rest of you as well, I made >> my first pattern 30 years ago and needed no one to hold my hand and >> show the way. I willnow be gone and say no more. >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Feb 21 17:08:03 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:08:03 EST Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre Message-ID: <9.3e498542.2f4bdff3@aol.com> In a message dated 2/21/2005 4:36:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: Considering myself damn lucky today!!!!!!!!! I agree. My next door neighbor forgot to latch his hitch on his trailer. Now, his fairly new pickup has a nice dented rear fender where the trailer hit it when the trailer got loose from the ball. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Feb 21 17:14:07 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:14:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pattern Making Discussion In-Reply-To: <421A66B0.8040809@imc-group.com> References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com><005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <6f60251605022112553a9f3e74@mail.gmail.com> <002a01c5185e$f60b5f20$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <421A66B0.8040809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <421A875F.1080109@scrtc.com> Curt, I think the pattern making discussion is one of the more interesting bits of info we've had on the list for a while. Most of us have some old iron that has a part missing, broken, etc. I know from having done the Miami engine project that there is a great deal of "on the job learning" with pattern making. Sharing your successes and failures is info that can be valuable to us when we attempt future projects. I sure wished I had had some tips when I started making patterns/parts rather than learn it all the hard way. I hope you compile all your pattern tips where we can use them for further reference. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Feb 21 17:14:42 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:14:42 EST Subject: [SEL] duh! OT! Message-ID: <1e3.35c20bb3.2f4be182@aol.com> In a message dated 2/21/2005 8:09:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, rwenig at telus.net writes: << Ted seems to be the one with the most pattern making experience in the group. I think we should be prompting him to show use how to make patterns for any parts that are not available from any other source. How about it Ted? >> Better still, Ted could walk us thru the basics of magneto repairing both Wico and Webster type, pictures of step by step tear-downs, machining techniques and fixture setups, etc. Talk about a wealth of information to pass on to us novices! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Feb 21 17:21:34 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:21:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] duh! OT! In-Reply-To: <421A81F9.50403@telus.net> References: <20050221231649.39422.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com> <421A81F9.50403@telus.net> Message-ID: <421A891E.1090304@scrtc.com> Rupert, I've been around the old iron for about 3/4 of my life. I bought my first engine (and still have it) at the age of 12. I've got to know a lot of engine guys through the years and I would say Ted is one of the more talented of the lot. I'm not telling most of you anything you don't already know. Ted knows his stuff and we have all gained from the knowledge and info he has shared with us over the last few years on the SEL. If he wants to share anything new, it would certainly be welcomed by me. If not, I sincerely thank him for the knowledge he has already made available. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky Rupert Wenig wrote: > Hey Guys, > Ted seems to be the one with the most pattern making experience in > the group. I think we should be prompting him to show use how to make > patterns for any parts that are not available from any other source. > How about it Ted? :-) > > Rupert > > Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote: > >> That's great ted would be nice if we were all as old as you and as >> smart. >> Ron >> >> Curt wrote: >> That nice Ted, real nice.... I'm happy that you started making >> patterns 30 years ago. The result of that is one of the most >> comprehensive records of ignitors in the world. I have made a >> complete copy of your ignitor photos because it is such a fine >> reference. You have posted that work on the internet for all to see >> and occasionally report that you make updates. >> >> I was under the impression that the SEL was a forum in which we all >> could post show pictures and reports, auction results, ask questions >> about our engines, and tell a little bit about what we are doing. >> Some of us younger fellows (42 here) are where you were 20 years ago >> perhaps. Good energy levels, good enthusiasm, and a strong >> willingness to share with others what we are working on at the >> moment. There is probably as much work in documenting and web page >> writing for such work as there is in the work itself. >> Frankly there has been little on topic discussion on the list lately >> and I was hoping to get some discussion, any discussion, about >> engines going. Your tirade will likely kill what little discussion >> was getting started. (But I sure hope not) >> There will be two more posts on pattern making from me. One tomorrow >> and one on Wednesday. That will conclude my contribution for the >> moment on Stickney patterns. If those post don't meet with your >> approval I encourage the use of your delete key. >> Regards, >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> >> Ted Brookover wrote: >> >> >>> I've got news for you Peter and all the rest of you as well, I made >>> my first pattern 30 years ago and needed no one to hold my hand and >>> show the way. I willnow be gone and say no more. >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> Ron Frost >> Kersey, PA >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 >> >> http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 >> >> " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From jhcullom at adelphia.net Mon Feb 21 17:25:04 2005 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:25:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cabin fever References: Message-ID: <001301c5187d$56357610$6401a8c0@office> Hey fellas, take it easy a bit on Ted. He's been on these lists a long time. And, he's done alot for a good many guys (myself included), from engine advice, help with a mag, or lending his expert hand at pinstriping our engines. Plus, he's been through alot here in the past year, healthwise & familywise. I think he's earned the right to be a bit curmudgenly. Besides, things like this happen every year as cabin fever takes hold. So cut him a little slack if you would. Thanks, John From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Mon Feb 21 18:00:58 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:00:58 +0800 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post, fair dinkum! In-Reply-To: <9ngk115i686nj1rl1bk1e49aeijbdtdk1j@4ax.com> References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> <6p1k11dr3u01jvv15hug21na16cq6v6jli@4ax.com> <421A1472.9080004@imc-group.com> <9ngk115i686nj1rl1bk1e49aeijbdtdk1j@4ax.com> Message-ID: <421A925A.8030201@optusnet.com.au> There has been a lot of discussion over the years in the British model engineering "bible", "The Model Engineer" regarding parting-off using rear toolposts, and there have been many "in-depth" analyses of the reasons for its seemingly enhanced performance, quite apart from the convenience and time-saving factor. The consensus is that even the sceptics who have tried it have been convinced of its effectiveness, for whatever reason. It might be the "bumble-bee aerodynamics" factor Jack in Oz From ivancou at usachoice.net Mon Feb 21 18:16:19 2005 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:16:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] duh! OT! References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com><005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <6f60251605022112553a9f3e74@mail.gmail.com><002a01c5185e$f60b5f20$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <421A66B0.8040809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000401c51884$7fe215c0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Curt , I find this thread interesting as far as the mold making . I am in a spot where I am probably going to have to fabricate some parts . They could be machined from solid stock but I'd like to get it put back together before I get old and croak . Ivan From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Feb 21 18:17:18 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:17:18 EST Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox) Info Needed Message-ID: <14.3f8a8a17.2f4bf02e@aol.com> Hi, I finally got around to disassemble the stuck Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox) engine. When the crankcase cover was removed, it was apparent that water had gotten into the crankcase. I removed the crankshaft and surprise to find that the large main bearing journal was blue as if no oil was available to lubricate this moving part. The piston was not stuck and I was able to move it back and forth. However, when I started to inspect the crankshaft timing gear, the real bad news revealed itself. Timing gear has several teeth missing. I am not familiar with this engine and it appears that the crankshaft, flywheel, and this defective timing gear are all one piece. Counter weights are bolted to the crankshaft journals. I don't see how this crankshaft assembly can be disassembled any further. I hope I am wrong. Can some of the Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox) experts help me? Thanks, Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Feb 21 18:21:38 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:21:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre References: <85.21d76226.2f4bda20@aol.com> Message-ID: I don't know but will research it a little more. The big hole was gas axed. This makes no sense to me at all. Re-enacted it was Rick..you knew that Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre > In a message dated 2/21/2005 7:36:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > > << Considering myself damn lucky today!!!!!!!!! >> > > Rick, > > What the heck turned loose?? Hole too big, bushing in the hole, something > rusted thru???? > > By some dumb luck I happened to notice the nut coming loose on my truck > when > at a show with the trailer attached. For some reason the nut had backed > off. > Found a flea market vendor with a pipe wrench he lent me. That could have > ended in a real tragedy if it had completely turned loose while in tow! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Mon Feb 21 19:27:30 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:27:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20050221083129.00c28678@mail.earthlink.net> References: <4.2.2.20050220173119.00c2da78@mail.earthlink.net> <4.2.2.20050221083129.00c28678@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <421AA6A2.6030209@wightman.ca> Thanks to everyone who has responded to my question. Unfortunately, the problem still exists so the hunt continues. Duncan -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From plb at iinet.net.au Mon Feb 21 18:30:03 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:30:03 +0800 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre References: 172059496 Message-ID: <15f901c51886$69f2eee0$0201010a@Portable> Rick,I also notice it was one of those brass or bronze? balls. I never used them since I had the bolt on one snap on me. I found that over time the mounting face distorts from the towing force so that its not flat. What happens then is that it starts flexing the bolt which eventually breaks from fatigue. I now use only good quality steel ones. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:08 AM Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre > Howdy all; > Went to put new shocks on my newly acquired Landcruiser. Put the floor > jack under the trailer ball: > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/267622410/279540064rNbdde > > and look what happened after a couple of pumps on the jack handle: > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/279538561/279538561ClfHSm > > Popped right out. This is the type of ball that mounts with a bolt. > > Considering myself damn lucky today!!!!!!!!! > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Feb 21 18:50:00 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:50:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre In-Reply-To: References: <85.21d76226.2f4bda20@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050221214822.025f1c38@mail.alltel.net> The washer that was needed for this application was never installed! Dave At 09:21 PM 2/21/2005, you wrote: >I don't know but will research it a little more. The big hole was gas axed. >This makes no sense to me at all. > >Re-enacted it was Rick..you knew that > >Rick > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 5:43 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre > > > > In a message dated 2/21/2005 7:36:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > > > > << Considering myself damn lucky today!!!!!!!!! >> > > > > Rick, > > > > What the heck turned loose?? Hole too big, bushing in the hole, something > > rusted thru???? From solarrog at pacbell.net Mon Feb 21 18:50:27 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:50:27 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox) Info Needed References: <14.3f8a8a17.2f4bf02e@aol.com> Message-ID: <00d101c51889$44a753d0$40037643@D6R3D961> Francis I think I have a crankshaft and rod for one of these. contact me direct if interested Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 6:17 PM Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox) Info Needed > Hi, > I finally got around to disassemble the stuck Fairbank Morse Z Style D > (ShoeBox) engine. When the crankcase cover was removed, it was apparent > that > water had gotten into the crankcase. I removed the crankshaft and > surprise to > find that the large main bearing journal was blue as if no oil was > available to > lubricate this moving part. The piston was not stuck and I was able to > move > it back and forth. However, when I started to inspect the crankshaft > timing > gear, the real bad news revealed itself. Timing gear has several teeth > missing. I am not familiar with this engine and it appears that the > crankshaft, > flywheel, and this defective timing gear are all one piece. Counter > weights > are bolted to the crankshaft journals. I don't see how this crankshaft > assembly can be disassembled any further. I hope I am wrong. Can some > of the > Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox) experts help me? > Thanks, > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Feb 21 19:02:16 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:02:16 -0800 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3><5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00f101c5188a$ebd53860$e8fe3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Just thought of another big advantage of a rear cut off. The chips fall out and do not pile up on the top of the tool. If a chip gets down the side of the tool it acts like a wedge and in some cases the tool will be broken or the work piece wrecked or both. Certainly nothing special about a rear cut off tool, been in use for at least 100 years. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! > Peter, > > > the main idea being that they don't lift the headstock > >shaft when cutting metal as they are on the other side of the job > >compared with the normal turning tool. > > > > > Peter & Peter, > OK I'll bite, how are parting forces different than regular turning > forces? Both exert the same tendence to lift the headstock. But is this > a problem? I've seen a few of the back parting setups mentioned and just > figured it was a time saving thing....eliminating a tool change. You got > my curiosity up. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rwenig at telus.net Mon Feb 21 19:09:18 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:09:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] duh! OT! In-Reply-To: <421A891E.1090304@scrtc.com> References: <20050221231649.39422.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com> <421A81F9.50403@telus.net> <421A891E.1090304@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <421AA25E.7050800@telus.net> Hello Tommy, I totally agree that Ted know his engine stuff from what I've gleaned off this list. He let it out in a recent message that he knows pattern making too so I hope he will share that knowledge with the group as well. I sure hope I didn't sound like I was knocking him down as I meant my message to be praise. I have a good mentor for foundry stuff living an hour away from me so I consider myself lucky. His advice was free so I try to pass on what I have learned from him for the same price. He has helped me plenty ironing out and correcting mistakes that would have given more gray hair than I care to mention. Their advice and guidance is priceless and I still have a lot to learn. Rupert Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Rupert, > > I've been around the old iron for about 3/4 of my life. I bought my > first engine (and still have it) at the age of 12. I've got to know a > lot of engine guys through the years and I would say Ted is one of the > more talented of the lot. I'm not telling most of you anything you > don't already know. Ted knows his stuff and we have all gained from the > knowledge and info he has shared with us over the last few years on the > SEL. If he wants to share anything new, it would certainly be welcomed > by me. If not, I sincerely thank him for the knowledge he has already > made available. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, Ky > > > > Rupert Wenig wrote: > >> Hey Guys, >> Ted seems to be the one with the most pattern making experience in >> the group. I think we should be prompting him to show use how to make >> patterns for any parts that are not available from any other source. >> How about it Ted? :-) >> >> Rupert >> >> Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote: >> >>> That's great ted would be nice if we were all as old as you and as >>> smart. >>> Ron >>> >>> Curt wrote: >>> That nice Ted, real nice.... I'm happy that you started making >>> patterns 30 years ago. The result of that is one of the most >>> comprehensive records of ignitors in the world. I have made a >>> complete copy of your ignitor photos because it is such a fine >>> reference. You have posted that work on the internet for all to see >>> and occasionally report that you make updates. >>> >>> I was under the impression that the SEL was a forum in which we all >>> could post show pictures and reports, auction results, ask questions >>> about our engines, and tell a little bit about what we are doing. >>> Some of us younger fellows (42 here) are where you were 20 years ago >>> perhaps. Good energy levels, good enthusiasm, and a strong >>> willingness to share with others what we are working on at the >>> moment. There is probably as much work in documenting and web page >>> writing for such work as there is in the work itself. >>> Frankly there has been little on topic discussion on the list lately >>> and I was hoping to get some discussion, any discussion, about >>> engines going. Your tirade will likely kill what little discussion >>> was getting started. (But I sure hope not) >>> There will be two more posts on pattern making from me. One tomorrow >>> and one on Wednesday. That will conclude my contribution for the >>> moment on Stickney patterns. If those post don't meet with your >>> approval I encourage the use of your delete key. >>> Regards, >>> Curt Holland >>> Gastonia, NC >>> >>> Ted Brookover wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I've got news for you Peter and all the rest of you as well, I made >>>> my first pattern 30 years ago and needed no one to hold my hand and >>>> show the way. I willnow be gone and say no more. >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> Ron Frost >>> Kersey, PA >>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 >>> >>> http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 >>> >>> " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Feb 21 20:12:10 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:12:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] duh! OT! In-Reply-To: <421AA25E.7050800@telus.net> References: <20050221231649.39422.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com> <421A81F9.50403@telus.net> <421A891E.1090304@scrtc.com> <421AA25E.7050800@telus.net> Message-ID: <421AB11A.7050109@scrtc.com> You're right Rupert. Those that have "been there, done that" are a wealth of info to those of us that have yet "gone there". Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > > Their advice and guidance is priceless and I still have a lot to > learn. > > Rupert > > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Feb 21 20:06:25 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:06:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre Message-ID: <20050221.232928.572.0.jlb94@juno.com> Guess they (whoever mounted the ball) figured all weight is on the down. And - Yes - You are lucky. Looks like they filled the hole with a nut ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Feb 21 20:54:54 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:54:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre In-Reply-To: <20050221.232928.572.0.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050221.232928.572.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050221234642.026bd948@mail.alltel.net> At 11:06 PM 2/21/2005, you wrote: >Guess they (whoever mounted the ball) figured all weight is on the down. >And - >Yes - You are lucky. >Looks like they filled the hole with a nut ? >Joe "Pip" Betz I've looked at the pictures at least a dozen times and think I have discovered the problem. The hitch is rated for 4,000 lbs and the jack that Rick used was 2 1/4 ton! Plain as day right there in http://community.webshots.com/photo/267622410/279540064rNbdde Once you realize that the jack is rated 500 lbs more than the hitch it all falls into place--or out of place as this case may be! Dave PS, As Dolly would say EAZY PEAZY! From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Feb 21 13:36:45 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:36:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3><5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00fc01c518b2$b4c853c0$3d111bd3@reg> You are right. It is a production time saver. It also tends to lift the slide. Thus it is not good on a small lathe if you are taking a decent cut. The headstock pressure is the least of the concerns. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > OK I'll bite, how are parting forces different than regular turning > forces? Both exert the same tendence to lift the headstock. But is this > a problem? I've seen a few of the back parting setups mentioned and just > figured it was a time saving thing....eliminating a tool change. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 23:47:14 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:47:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Cabin fever In-Reply-To: <001301c5187d$56357610$6401a8c0@office> References: <001301c5187d$56357610$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <6f60251605022123476e06d726@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:25:04 -0500, John Cullom wrote: > Hey fellas, take it easy a bit on Ted. He's been on these lists a long time. > And, he's done alot for a good many guys (myself included), from engine > advice, help with a mag, or lending his expert hand at pinstriping our > engines. Plus, he's been through alot here in the past year, healthwise & > familywise. I think he's earned the right to be a bit curmudgenly. Besides, > things like this happen every year as cabin fever takes hold. So cut him a > little slack if you would. > Thanks, > John I was very surprised at Ted's comments more than anything else, as he is normally such an affable and helpful guy. It is most out of character for him and I hope that he is not having any further troubles with his foot/leg problem or family. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 00:01:30 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:01:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160502220001112cbc00@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:08:23 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all; > Went to put new shocks on my newly acquired Landcruiser. Put the floor > jack under the trailer ball: > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/267622410/279540064rNbdde > > and look what happened after a couple of pumps on the jack handle: > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/279538561/279538561ClfHSm > > Popped right out. This is the type of ball that mounts with a bolt. > > Considering myself damn lucky today!!!!!!!!! > > RickinMt. That looks like there should have been a large plate/washer between the bolt head and the bracket as Dave said. Very lucky that it hasn't come out before! We use the two-hole fixing type balls (!) over here in the UK and Europe, but an occasional check on the bolts (2 X 5/8" UNF) is always worthwhile. The new van has covered nearly 25000 miles since Sept 26th last year, and I'll be picking up the turret mill we bought on ebay this week, so a quick spanner check is in order, and that goes for the trailer coupling as well.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 00:04:06 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:04:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Airbags - Helpers In-Reply-To: <100.da75e0c.2f4bd9ee@aol.com> References: <100.da75e0c.2f4bd9ee@aol.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605022200042ac33168@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:42:22 EST, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/21/2005 9:26:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, > fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > > I put a set of these on my Jeep Wrangler. VAST improvement! > It's a much happier vehicle riding level. Does a lot for MY piece of mind > too. > > My buddy who installed the airbags on his Ford pickup tells me that the > reason he didn't go with the air shock is that they place a large load on the > shock interface studs/bolts. As a result, these bolts become a failure point. > The airbag installation has brackets which fasten to the frame and the rear > axle housing with the airbag going between these brackets. The shocks still > operate as originally designed. > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA Hi Francis: I could see that this could be a concern, but most shockers have pretty robust mountings as they perform the sort of function that needs it. I've not heard of any problems with the pump-up shock absorbers, but it is worth bearing in mind if the mounts are less than solid. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 22 05:31:34 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:31:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre References: <20050221.232928.572.0.jlb94@juno.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050221234642.026bd948@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Yup, me thinks ya got it, Dave :-)). And washers would have made it somewhat more safer. It will get done right. Another weirdo is that I never jack on the underside of the ball for fear of screwing up the threads, but in this case I did as I was using 2x's. I didn't know it was a bolt. Ya'll know why you cross safety chains....if two are used?? Took me a while to figger out that one. Well maybe we will all go out and do a good safety check on our hitches this spring and have a safe ride in the following months. Life is good! RickinMt. > > I've looked at the pictures at least a dozen times and think I have > discovered the problem. The hitch is rated for 4,000 lbs and the jack that > Rick used was 2 1/4 ton! Plain as day right there in > http://community.webshots.com/photo/267622410/279540064rNbdde Once you > realize that the jack is rated 500 lbs more than the hitch it all falls > into place--or out of place as this case may be! > Dave > PS, As Dolly would say EAZY PEAZY! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 22 05:34:56 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:34:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre References: 172059496 <15f901c51886$69f2eee0$0201010a@Portable> Message-ID: Yes Ray...I try to use only 1" shanked balls with nut. Probably will install a receiver hitch on "Toy Let" and that way it will also have provisions for safety chains....although I don't plan on towing much with it. Thanks Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "R and E Freeman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre > Rick,I also notice it was one of those brass or bronze? balls. I never > used > them since I had the bolt on one snap on me. I found that over time the > mounting face distorts from the towing force so that its not flat. What > happens then is that it starts flexing the bolt which eventually breaks > from > fatigue. I now use only good quality steel ones. > > Ray Freeman > > Portable Line Boring > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > plb at plb.iinet.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:08 AM > Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre > > > > Howdy all; > > Went to put new shocks on my newly acquired Landcruiser. Put the floor > > jack under the trailer ball: > > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/267622410/279540064rNbdde > > > > and look what happened after a couple of pumps on the jack handle: > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/279538561/279538561ClfHSm > > > > Popped right out. This is the type of ball that mounts with a bolt. > > > > Considering myself damn lucky today!!!!!!!!! > > > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Feb 22 06:57:04 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:57:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre In-Reply-To: <6f6025160502220001112cbc00@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160502220001112cbc00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42791.165.206.180.118.1109084224.squirrel@antique-engines.com> I can't believe anyone would actually jack a vehicle by the hitch anyway. I'd never even think of it. I go straight to the differential and don't use blocks. Those blocks can tip and slide - yes, I've watched a fellow dump his car when that happened to him. As the vehicle raises, the angle on those blocks increases - he was a lucky one - he was not yet under it. I also know a local fellow who was crushed under his car pulling a similar stunt. His young son went to get him for supper, except papa had already had his last meal. Junior will never forget THAT sight. What's keeping those blocks there? You aren't exactly pushing straight up with that setup. It's plain dangerous - even with good tight balls...... (oh, my - can't wait to see DAVE's COMMENTS!) We've had MANY long discussions on this same thing in another forum - wow, the things people do to raise and "support" their cars while working on them. 3,000 pounds of metal, glass and plastic and people don't think of it as more than a 100. Bill > On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:08:23 -0700, Richard Strobel > wrote: >> Howdy all; >> Went to put new shocks on my newly acquired Landcruiser. Put the floor >> jack under the trailer ball: >> >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/267622410/279540064rNbdde >> >> and look what happened after a couple of pumps on the jack handle: >> >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/279538561/279538561ClfHSm >> >> Popped right out. This is the type of ball that mounts with a bolt. >> >> Conside ring myself damn lucky today!!!!!!!!! >> >> RickinMt. > > That looks like there should have been a large plate/washer between > the bolt head and the bracket as Dave said. Very lucky that it hasn't > come out before! > > We use the two-hole fixing type balls (!) over here in the UK and > Europe, but an occasional check on the bolts (2 X 5/8" UNF) is always > worthwhile. The new van has covered nearly 25000 miles since Sept 26th > last year, and I'll be picking up the turret mill we bought on ebay > this week, so a quick spanner check is in order, and that goes for the > trailer coupling as well.... > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Feb 22 07:19:42 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:19:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #4 Message-ID: <421B4D8E.4000209@imc-group.com> This page is on the making of a Stickney fuel pump. This was by far the most difficult of the patterns and making it spanned 4 months. Initially I was planning on just making it solid with no core for the inside, to avoid all the work of making a core box. Little did I know I would end of having to make a core box to shape a portion of the outside! It took me a long time to understand why the corebox was needed and even longer to understand the negative draft problem that existed in the core box. Thanks to the patience of pattern maker/friend Al Owens I finally saw the light. Hope you enjoy. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/FuelPump/Thumbnails.html Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From tchristoff at earthlink.net Tue Feb 22 07:38:35 2005 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:38:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre Message-ID: <410-220052222153835140@earthlink.net> Aside from the point that the ball did come out and that the hole was too big, what the hell were you thinking anyway raising up a truck with a jack and a few pieces of 2 x 6's under the ball! Isn't this is how Darwin Canadiates are born? I am still wondering like a few others why you did take pictures of jacking up your truck? Tim Christoff Basehor, KS. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 22 07:41:40 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:41:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre References: <6f6025160502220001112cbc00@mail.gmail.com> <42791.165.206.180.118.1109084224.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Bill, I was just jacking it up a few inches to get better room for replacing the shocks. Tires never came off the ground, and stands were used..not shown in pix. And I concur with using the differential. In my stock car days it was scary the way the kids would jack their rigs up. We usually took our floor jack and stands over when we saw this. Thanks Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre > I can't believe anyone would actually jack a vehicle by the hitch anyway. > I'd never even think of it. I go straight to the differential and don't > use blocks. > Those blocks can tip and slide - yes, I've watched a fellow dump his car > when that happened to him. As the vehicle raises, the angle on those > blocks increases - he was a lucky one - he was not yet under it. > I also know a local fellow who was crushed under his car pulling a similar > stunt. His young son went to get him for supper, except papa had already > had his last meal. Junior will never forget THAT sight. > > What's keeping those blocks there? You aren't exactly pushing straight up > with that setup. > It's plain dangerous - even with good tight balls...... > > (oh, my - can't wait to see DAVE's COMMENTS!) > > We've had MANY long discussions on this same thing in another forum - wow, > the things people do to raise and "support" their cars while working on > them. 3,000 pounds of metal, glass and plastic and people don't think of > it as more than a 100. > > Bill > > > On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:08:23 -0700, Richard Strobel > > wrote: > >> Howdy all; > >> Went to put new shocks on my newly acquired Landcruiser. Put the > >> floor > >> jack under the trailer ball: > >> > >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/267622410/279540064rNbdde > >> > >> and look what happened after a couple of pumps on the jack handle: > >> > >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/279538561/279538561ClfHSm > >> > >> Popped right out. This is the type of ball that mounts with a bolt. > >> > >> Conside > ring myself damn lucky today!!!!!!!!! > >> > >> RickinMt. > > > > That looks like there should have been a large plate/washer between > > the bolt head and the bracket as Dave said. Very lucky that it hasn't > > come out before! > > > > We use the two-hole fixing type balls (!) over here in the UK and > > Europe, but an occasional check on the bolts (2 X 5/8" UNF) is always > > worthwhile. The new van has covered nearly 25000 miles since Sept 26th > > last year, and I'll be picking up the turret mill we bought on ebay > > this week, so a quick spanner check is in order, and that goes for the > > trailer coupling as well.... > > > > Peter > > -- > > Peter A Forbes > > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 22 07:49:11 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:49:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #4 References: <421B4D8E.4000209@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Wow!! thanks pard and Corky agrees. We are really impressed and you taught and showed us a lot. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:19 AM Subject: [SEL] Patterns #4 > This page is on the making of a Stickney fuel pump. This was by far the > most difficult of the patterns and making it spanned 4 months. Initially > I was planning on just making it solid with no core for the inside, to > avoid all the work of making a core box. Little did I know I would end > of having to make a core box to shape a portion of the outside! It took > me a long time to understand why the corebox was needed and even longer > to understand the negative draft problem that existed in the core box. > Thanks to the patience of pattern maker/friend Al Owens I finally saw > the light. > Hope you enjoy. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/FuelPump/Thumbnails.html > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Feb 22 08:19:06 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:19:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] The Stickney Fuel Pump Project & GEM In-Reply-To: <421B4D8E.4000209@imc-group.com> References: <421B4D8E.4000209@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, Ya know, this Stickney fuel pump project (including the yet-to-come casting and machining and installing and first running) will make one helluva interesting series of articles for GEM. I hope you are planning on such a series of pieces? See ya, Arnie PS - You also need to include a bit about WHY you've taken the project on when you have a lovely gravity fed engine. 8-))) Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Curt wrote: > This page is on the making of a Stickney fuel pump. This was by far the > most difficult of the patterns and making it spanned 4 months. Initially > I was planning on just making it solid with no core for the inside, to > avoid all the work of making a core box. Little did I know I would end > of having to make a core box to shape a portion of the outside! It took > me a long time to understand why the corebox was needed and even longer > to understand the negative draft problem that existed in the core box. > Thanks to the patience of pattern maker/friend Al Owens I finally saw > the light. > Hope you enjoy. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/FuelPump/Thumbnails.html From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Feb 22 08:21:36 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:21:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160502220001112cbc00@mail.gmail.com> <42791.165.206.180.118.1109084224.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050222111807.026c5b38@mail.alltel.net> At 10:41 AM 2/22/2005, you wrote: >Bill, I was just jacking it up a few inches to get better room for replacing >the shocks. Tires never came off the ground, and stands were used..not >shown in pix. >Thanks >Rick Hi Rick, What several who jumped on you for using the bumper hitch to raise the truck failed to take into account is that raising it by the differential would NOT have accomplished what you were trying to accomplish! Dave From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Feb 22 08:31:49 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:31:49 EST Subject: [SEL] Spyware Message-ID: <9d.5a11c2d5.2f4cb875@aol.com> Hi List, Here is a antispyware program made by Microsoft. It is still in the beta stage. It seems to work for me. It has caught some items which my other program failed to find. _Download details: Windows AntiSpyware (Beta)_ (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=321cd7a2-6a57-4c57-a8bd-dbf62eda9671&DisplayLang=e n) _http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=321cd7a2-6a57-4c57-a8bd-dbf62eda9671&DisplayLang=en_ (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=321cd7a2-6a57-4c57-a8bd-dbf62eda9671&DisplayLang=en) (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=321cd7a2-6a57-4c57-a8bd-dbf62eda9671&DisplayLang=en) Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Feb 22 08:51:29 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:51:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life Is Good! Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050222114036.0263f1e8@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, On Monday (less than a week) I'll leave for the show in Zolfo FL. Since it's about 1,100 miles from my home in Western PA, I thought I'd better see if the 15 HP Screen Cooled IHC would start and run before taking it that far away from home. (I just hate it when I'm that far away and have to run home for some tool or part that I need to repair an engine!) So yesterday I set the IHC up in my driveway and today attempted to start it. It is about 38 degrees and things did not spin as fast as they did last fall when it was 75 degrees--or perhaps it has something to do with my being a year older than I was last year. In any event, after oiling everything and turning the flywheels over about 5 times it went BANG! I listened to it's music for about 2 minutes and then shut it down and put the tarp on it. If any of you are getting down to FL for the Zolfo Show stop by and see me. I'll be in space #6, right near the office. I'll be attending at least one show on the way home as well, but haven't yet figured out which one. Dave PS, Live is GOOD! From curt at imc-group.com Tue Feb 22 09:00:51 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:00:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Stickney Fuel Pump Project & GEM In-Reply-To: References: <421B4D8E.4000209@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <421B6543.5030802@imc-group.com> Arnie, Truthfully it hadn't even crossed my mind..... Why? The more bells and whistles on an engine the better. I just feel that being able to see the fuel in the site glass is pretty kewl. As for return on time invested I'll never have a prayer of recouping my time! But that's why we call this a hobby instead of a business. For several years I've been designing patterns for parts for our forging machines. The process of making the patterns looked interesting and the Stickney project seemed like a good one to start with. Curt Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Curt, > >Ya know, this Stickney fuel pump project (including the yet-to-come >casting and machining and installing and first running) will make one >helluva interesting series of articles for GEM. I hope you are planning >on such a series of pieces? > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - You also need to include a bit about WHY you've taken the project on >when you have a lovely gravity fed engine. 8-))) > > > From George_Best at adp.com Tue Feb 22 08:53:57 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:53:57 -0800 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre Message-ID: Rick, On Saturday I jacked up the rear of my pickup by the receiver hitch. So you're not alone in doing so. However, I didn't take pictures ;-) In my case I was replacing the rear spring shackles, so jacking up the differential would not have helped at that point. I did jack up the differential, but that was later when I needed to raise it to get the top shackle bolts out. I did use jack stands after I had raised the rear of the pickup enough to get the tires just off the ground, so I suppose that technically I could have used the differential for jacking since the jack stands were what ultimately held the rear of the pickup up. I've had enough complaints from people saying that my truck rode like a truck, which it does. So I installed some Velvet Ride spring shackles. In the few short trips I've made after installing the new shackles, I'm convinced they work pretty well at smoothing out the ride when running without a load in the pickup bed. Email me off list if you want more Velvet Ride info. I'd rather see engine postings on the list than more off topic stuff. Just wanted to let Rick and others know he wasn't alone in lifting by the hitch. He's still alone in taking pictures! ;-) ( wonder what else he takes pictures of when he's doing it? ) WAIT George From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Feb 22 08:58:24 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:58:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050222111807.026c5b38@mail.alltel.net> References: <6f6025160502220001112cbc00@mail.gmail.com> <42791.165.206.180.118.1109084224.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050222111807.026c5b38@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <43992.165.206.180.118.1109091504.squirrel@antique-engines.com> But jacking by the frame would have........ Bill > At 10:41 AM 2/22/2005, you wrote: >>Bill, I was just jacking it up a few inches to get better room for >> replacing >>the shocks. Tires never came off the ground, and stands were used..not >>shown in pix. >>Thanks >>Rick > > Hi Rick, > What several who jumped on you for using the bumper hitch to > raise the truck failed to take into account is that raising it by the > differential would NOT have accomplished what you were trying to > accomplish! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Feb 22 09:03:31 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:03:31 -0000 Subject: [SEL] How others see us. Message-ID: <001701c51900$712c9a10$8c9f0952@no1> Passed on from the UK engine group. See http://www.realclassic.co.uk/ridesfiles/rides03102700.html Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 09:05:58 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:05:58 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Slant on vintage machinery (the engine powered kind) Message-ID: <6f602516050222090535d19a07@mail.gmail.com> This was posted by Nick Highfield to the Stationary Engine newsgroup: http://www.realclassic.co.uk/ridesfiles/rides03102700.html Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From George_Best at adp.com Tue Feb 22 09:06:15 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:06:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Stickney show Message-ID: Has anyone heard about a Stickney show being held in Stickney SD around the 4th of July? I talked to a Stickney guy during the winter and he was telling me about this show. However, I haven't seen any mention of this show in any of the publications. I'm thinking of taking my Stickney to this show as it is fairly unique as it has all the options, fuel pump as well as dynamo for running without batteries. Any other Stickney owners on this list interested in going? WAIT George From George_Best at adp.com Tue Feb 22 09:14:13 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:14:13 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Another Stickney question Message-ID: After posting my last message about the Stickney show, I was wondering how many list members have one or more Stickneys. Who has a Stickney? Does the engine list collectively own most of the various sizes and models that Stickney made? I've only got one Stickney, which is a 7hp fuel pump engine. I know Curt has a 5hp gravity fed engine (soon to be converted to fuel pump) I know a few other people lurking on the list with Stickneys, including some rare ones, but will let them speak up if they want to. WAIT George From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Feb 22 09:23:59 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:23:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre In-Reply-To: <43992.165.206.180.118.1109091504.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <6f6025160502220001112cbc00@mail.gmail.com> <42791.165.206.180.118.1109084224.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050222111807.026c5b38@mail.alltel.net> <43992.165.206.180.118.1109091504.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <421B6AAF.8030000@scrtc.com> You're right Bill but by looking at the photos, the rear cross member (I don't think its simply the bumper) he was jacking up was as close to the frame as he could probably get. I'm just thankful that the ball popped out in this process instead of him traveling down the road at 65 mph and lose 2 tons of iron behind him. Losing the iron wouldn't be a big issue as I've lost some of it in the past. But, if a runaway trailer were to cross a median and hit an oncoming vehicle the results could be tragic. I know Jim Withers had a ball come off of a pickup once and he had a 15 HP Famous on a trailer behind him. He told me he felt it jolt and when he looked in his rear view mirror he saw the trailer flipping over in the median and flywheel pieces were flying everywhere. It made a junker out of a good engine. No one was hurt so the end result wasn't as bad as it possibly could have been. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >But jacking by the frame would have........ > >Bill > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Feb 22 09:37:54 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:37:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: How others see us. In-Reply-To: <001701c51900$712c9a10$8c9f0952@no1> References: <001701c51900$712c9a10$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: Hi Dave, OK, at first this bloke pissed me off with... "Having built up the anticipation, I led them past the (very strange) people with their stationary engines..." But he redeemed himself at the end with... "Bizarre engineering, imminent danger, raw power, and destruction." That pretty much does describe our beloved old iron. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Dave Croft wrote: > Passed on from the UK engine group. > See http://www.realclassic.co.uk/ridesfiles/rides03102700.html From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 10:13:01 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:13:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Life Is Good! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050222114036.0263f1e8@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050222114036.0263f1e8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160502221013bf38dc8@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:51:29 -0500, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, > On Monday (less than a week) I'll leave for the show in Zolfo FL. Since > it's about 1,100 miles from my home in Western PA, I thought I'd better see > if the 15 HP Screen Cooled IHC would start and run before taking it that > far away from home. (I just hate it when I'm that far away and have to run > home for some tool or part that I need to repair an engine!) > So yesterday I set the IHC up in my driveway and today attempted to start > it. It is about 38 degrees and things did not spin as fast as they did last > fall when it was 75 degrees--or perhaps it has something to do with my > being a year older than I was last year. In any event, after oiling > everything and turning the flywheels over about 5 times it went BANG! I > listened to it's music for about 2 minutes and then shut it down and put > the tarp on it. > If any of you are getting down to FL for the Zolfo Show stop by and see > me. I'll be in space #6, right near the office. I'll be attending at least > one show on the way home as well, but haven't yet figured out which one. > Dave > PS, Live is GOOD! Enjoy the show, Dave and have a safe trip. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Feb 22 10:32:06 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:32:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre In-Reply-To: <43992.165.206.180.118.1109091504.squirrel@antique-engines. com> References: <6f6025160502220001112cbc00@mail.gmail.com> <42791.165.206.180.118.1109084224.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050222111807.026c5b38@mail.alltel.net> <43992.165.206.180.118.1109091504.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050222133056.0d715b98@mail.alltel.net> So would using a sky hook! So what's your point? Dave At 11:58 AM 2/22/2005, you wrote: >But jacking by the frame would have........ > >Bill > > > At 10:41 AM 2/22/2005, you wrote: > >>Bill, I was just jacking it up a few inches to get better room for > >> replacing > >>the shocks. Tires never came off the ground, and stands were used..not > >>shown in pix. > >>Thanks > >>Rick > > > > Hi Rick, > > What several who jumped on you for using the bumper hitch to > > raise the truck failed to take into account is that raising it by the > > differential would NOT have accomplished what you were trying to > > accomplish! > > Dave > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Feb 22 10:56:33 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:56:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but bizarre In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi George, Please send me info on this "Velvet Ride." When Dave & I talked to Bambi & Nitro about it they seemed pretty excited. I guess its a "West Coast" thing? See ya, Arnie On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, George Best wrote: > Email me off list if you want more Velvet Ride info. From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Feb 22 11:27:41 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:27:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stickney show In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050222142642.0d6fe5b0@mail.alltel.net> At 12:06 PM 2/22/2005, you wrote: >Has anyone heard about a Stickney show being held in Stickney SD around >the 4th of July? >WAIT George Hi WAIT George, Nothing in the Show Directory for SD. Dave From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Feb 22 11:51:29 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:51:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050222133056.0d715b98@mail.alltel.net> References: <6f6025160502220001112cbc00@mail.gmail.com> <42791.165.206.180.118.1109084224.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050222111807.026c5b38@mail.alltel.net> <43992.165.206.180.118.1109091504.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050222133056.0d715b98@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <46364.165.206.180.118.1109101889.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Skyhooks kill birds so are environmentally unsafe...... 'tis ok, Dave, I really shouldn't give a rat's patuty who dies or lives. It's simply natural selection and democracy at work...... so why on earth would I care? > So would using a sky hook! So what's your point? > Dave > > > At 11:58 AM 2/22/2005, you wrote: >>But jacking by the frame would have........ >> >>Bill >> >> > At 10:41 AM 2/22/2005, you wrote: >> >>Bill, I was just jacking it up a few inches to get better room for >> >> replacing >> >>the shocks. Tires never came off the ground, and stands were >> used..not >> >>shown in pix. >> >>Thanks >> >>Rick >> > >> > Hi Rick, >> > What several who jumped on you for using the bumper hitch to >> > raise the truck failed to take into account is that raising it by the >> > differential would NOT have accomplished what you were trying to >> > accomplish! >> > Dave >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Feb 22 12:18:53 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:18:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another Stickney question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <421B93AD.3020204@scrtc.com> George, I hadn't heard of the Stickney show. I've got a 1 1/2 HP (not a 1 3/4) that has the fuel pump on it. It can be seen in these photos: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30063200&p=60452045 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30063200&p=60452049 I've got one of the Stickney Jrs (sometimes called Harvard Stickney). Here's a photo of it: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30990428&p=65974575 Stickney's aren't the rarest of engines but they certainly are different. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >After posting my last message about the Stickney show, I was wondering >how many list members have one or more Stickneys. > >Who has a Stickney? > >Does the engine list collectively own most of the various sizes and >models that Stickney made? > >I've only got one Stickney, which is a 7hp fuel pump engine. > >I know Curt has a 5hp gravity fed engine (soon to be converted to fuel >pump) > >I know a few other people lurking on the list with Stickneys, including >some rare ones, but will let them speak up if they want to. > >WAIT George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 12:23:38 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:23:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] How others see us. In-Reply-To: <001701c51900$712c9a10$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: <20050222202339.71152.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for sharing that, Dave!! The guy is a bit warpped, but I know there are people like that out there. Like a feller I grew up with,,, I emailed him to ask a question about the farm he grew up on. I wanted to get his perspective on something. He went off on "That Dump,,,," He wrote how much he had hated living with all that junk around. How he never could invite any of his school friends to come visit and such. I always loved visiting there. I liked all the old toyes. His dad is still more my dad than his. I have the 1885 Majestic woodburning range from that farm out in my garage. Plus that is where my 1914 Letz model 8 Feed Grinder came from. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- Dave Croft wrote: > Passed on from the UK engine group. See http://www.realclassic.co.uk/ridesfiles/rides03102700.html > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 13:15:10 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:15:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre Pictures?? In-Reply-To: <410-220052222153835140@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20050222211510.92371.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com> Tim and others,,, Go read all of Rick's posts on this topic. He didn't take either picture until the ball popped out. Then he took a picture and put the ball back in there for a set-up to take a "before" picture. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- Tim Christoff wrote: > Aside from the point that the ball did come out and that the hole was too > big, what the hell were you thinking anyway raising up a truck with a jack > and a few pieces of 2 x 6's under the ball! Isn't this is how Darwin > Canadiates are born? I am still wondering like a few others why you did > take pictures of jacking up your truck? > > Tim Christoff > Basehor, KS. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ABuisse at aol.com Tue Feb 22 13:31:34 2005 From: ABuisse at aol.com (ABuisse at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:31:34 EST Subject: [SEL] Another Stickney question Message-ID: <1e1.367af6de.2f4cfeb6@aol.com> Well, I have a 5hp and a 7 hp all gravity feed. Personally I think there a dandy of an engine. Curt are you casting extra fuel pumps? Thanks Aime From ABuisse at aol.com Tue Feb 22 13:34:31 2005 From: ABuisse at aol.com (ABuisse at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:34:31 EST Subject: [SEL] Re:Another Stickney question Message-ID: <83.21e21ffc.2f4cff67@aol.com> Well, I have a 5hp and a 7 hp all gravity feed.? Personally I think there a dandy of an engine.? Curt are you casting extra fuel pumps? Thanks Aime From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 22 16:50:15 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:50:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. OCR Software - Need Recommendation Message-ID: <002401c51941$a657fcc0$230110ac@PAUL> I need to purchase some OCR software that I can use to copy some forms into the computer. My wife has been using an old typewriter to type up Work Orders and Transmittal Deposits at her part time job where she manages an apartment complex. The owners installed a new Computer system last year but she continued to hang onto the old typewriter to type her checks, work orders, and deposit transmittals. Now that the old typewriter has given up the ghost I need to be able to scan these forms into the computer and then let her fill them out on the pc and print them. I am looking for an economical solution so what do you folks recommend? Thanks, Paul From Vivas1993 at aol.com Tue Feb 22 17:40:28 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:40:28 EST Subject: [SEL] Another Stickney question Message-ID: <66.5167a44e.2f4d390c@aol.com> Hi George, I own a 3hp Stickney # 69xx, or at least a good part of one. It was converted to a wood splitter many years ago, I hope to have it restored one day if I live long enough ! I've found several parts, but still needed are a piston & rod, head, igniter, & cambox assembly. It's a gravity feed model. Any leads on the needed parts sure would be appreciated !!! Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From billalan at busynet.net Tue Feb 22 18:41:30 2005 From: billalan at busynet.net (Bill Herreid) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:41:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre In-Reply-To: <43992.165.206.180.118.1109091504.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <6f6025160502220001112cbc00@mail.gmail.com> <42791.165.206.180.118.1109084224.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050222111807.026c5b38@mail.alltel.net> <43992.165.206.180.118.1109091504.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <421BED5A.6050701@busynet.net> > > >But jacking by the frame would have........ > >Bill > ...never let him know the hitch was failing??? From the Cheddar Curtain - Bill From old_iron at msn.com Tue Feb 22 18:53:29 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:53:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. OCR Software - Need Recommendation In-Reply-To: <002401c51941$a657fcc0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: Your scanner should have come with some decent OCR software, I have and HP 3500C and it's OCR is dynomite, the best part is that is totally compatable with both Word and Excel. The other one I have used and still have a current copy of is "Paperport" it is fairly easy to use and will save a document as a "template" or just a form. This software as well as the HP software will also save a file in "fax" format as well as "email" format. Peg Pfeiffer >From: "Paul Maples" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine List" >Subject: [SEL] O.T. OCR Software - Need Recommendation >Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:50:15 -0600 > >I need to purchase some OCR software that I can use to copy some forms into >the computer. My wife has been using an old typewriter to type up Work >Orders and Transmittal Deposits at her part time job where she manages an >apartment complex. The owners installed a new Computer system last year but >she continued to hang onto the old typewriter to type her checks, work >orders, and deposit transmittals. Now that the old typewriter has given up >the ghost I need to be able to scan these forms into the computer and then >let her fill them out on the pc and print them. I am looking for an >economical solution so what do you folks recommend? > >Thanks, > >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From skipl at montana.com Tue Feb 22 20:43:26 2005 From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:43:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Another Stickney question References: Message-ID: <421C09EE.37CACAD1@montana.com> i have a 1 3/4 & a 7 horse that i need a fuel pump for. skip in nw montana George Best wrote: > After posting my last message about the Stickney show, I was wondering > how many list members have one or more Stickneys. > > Who has a Stickney? > > Does the engine list collectively own most of the various sizes and > models that Stickney made? > > I've only got one Stickney, which is a 7hp fuel pump engine. > > I know Curt has a 5hp gravity fed engine (soon to be converted to fuel > pump) > > I know a few other people lurking on the list with Stickneys, including > some rare ones, but will let them speak up if they want to. > > WAIT George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From skipl at montana.com Tue Feb 22 20:55:18 2005 From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:55:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The Stickney Fuel Pump Project & GEM References: <421B4D8E.4000209@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <421C0CB6.FA25C870@montana.com> arnie, if you haven't yet had these cast, i sure would buy one. skip in nw montana Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Curt, > > Ya know, this Stickney fuel pump project (including the yet-to-come > casting and machining and installing and first running) will make one > helluva interesting series of articles for GEM. I hope you are planning > on such a series of pieces? > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - You also need to include a bit about WHY you've taken the project on > when you have a lovely gravity fed engine. 8-))) > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Curt wrote: > > > This page is on the making of a Stickney fuel pump. This was by far the > > most difficult of the patterns and making it spanned 4 months. Initially > > I was planning on just making it solid with no core for the inside, to > > avoid all the work of making a core box. Little did I know I would end > > of having to make a core box to shape a portion of the outside! It took > > me a long time to understand why the corebox was needed and even longer > > to understand the negative draft problem that existed in the core box. > > Thanks to the patience of pattern maker/friend Al Owens I finally saw > > the light. > > Hope you enjoy. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/FuelPump/Thumbnails.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Feb 22 23:32:04 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:32:04 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis Message-ID: <200502230732.j1N7W8lI002839@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Been playing in the garage with engines, metal and electricity. http://engines.rustyiron.com/-electrolysis Have fun, work safe. Rob From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Feb 23 00:13:36 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:13:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis References: <200502230732.j1N7W8lI002839@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001901c5197f$935e50e0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Rob, Interesting set up, but I'm missing some pics I thought. There're several blanks between the text, or are the pics to large? John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Been playing in the garage with engines, metal and electricity. > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/-electrolysis > > Have fun, work safe. > Rob From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Feb 23 05:44:46 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 05:44:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis In-Reply-To: <001901c5197f$935e50e0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200502231344.j1NDimPA040728@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Interesting set up, but I'm missing some pics I thought. > There're several blanks between the text, or are the pics > to large? No John, all the pictures are just right. They display perfectly at 1280x1024 and look a little cramped at 1024x768. I'm aware that lower resolution monitors don't really display my higher resolution pictures very well, but that's the way I choose to do it. I'd be glad to further discuss web page philosophy offlist if anyone is interested. Rob From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 23 06:08:23 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:08:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis In-Reply-To: <200502230732.j1N7W8lI002839@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502230732.j1N7W8lI002839@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <56288.165.206.180.118.1109167703.squirrel@antique-engines.com> And if you don't like the results, reverse polarity and start over. Not much different than plating, except you are plating with "rust". Bill > Been playing in the garage with engines, metal and electricity. > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/-electrolysis > > Have fun, work safe. > Rob > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Feb 23 06:36:46 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:36:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis In-Reply-To: <200502230732.j1N7W8lI002839@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502230732.j1N7W8lI002839@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <421C94FE.8010407@imc-group.com> Wow Rob, as usual you do beautiful documentation of your projects. It is intestesting that you have to set up a process to create rust out west due to living in a very low humidity environment. Here in the east we only have to set a new part out the back door for a few weeks and between the humidity, rain, and heat we''ve quickly got a rusty chuck of iron laying there. Would be interested to see how a fresh casted and then shot or sand blasted part looks in your reverse electrolysis process. Blasted parts I've set out the back door to rust come out too orange for my preference. Think your rusting method might create a darker rust? Tell us more about the polish and oil combination you used to create the old patina? Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Rob Skinner wrote: >Been playing in the garage with engines, metal and electricity. > >http://engines.rustyiron.com/-electrolysis > >Have fun, work safe. >Rob > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Feb 23 06:49:35 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:49:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis References: <200502231344.j1NDimPA040728@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: There ya go Rob. Great documentation as always. I would say that it's electrolysis and then blasting that keep my Ho-Ho going in this hobby. We got a F-M piston water pump with the large accumulator (hydrostatic shock absorber) on top, cookin' in the tub as we speak. Going to try molasses one of these days. Corky also says that bleach will work..never tried it. later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 6:44 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis > > > Interesting set up, but I'm missing some pics I thought. > > There're several blanks between the text, or are the pics > > to large? > > No John, all the pictures are just right. They display > perfectly at 1280x1024 and look a little cramped > at 1024x768. I'm aware that lower resolution monitors > don't really display my higher resolution pictures very > well, but that's the way I choose to do it. > > I'd be glad to further discuss web page philosophy > offlist if anyone is interested. > > Rob > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Feb 23 07:18:39 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:18:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #5 Message-ID: <421C9ECF.2070804@imc-group.com> Well guys, this is the last of the 5 patterns on the Stickney conversion project. This documents the pattern making work to create a new funnel that sits on top of the water hopper on a 5HP Stickney. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/Funnel/Thumbnails.html You'll see I only created the portion of the funnel that is visible. I choose not to cast the intricate details that extend down inside the hopper below the waterline. In my opinion that part was over engineered. Anyone really know what that was for? I can only assume it was intended to get cooler water down low when refilling the hopper? This was the first poured core box I did. Knowing the low volume of cores to be made (perhaps 1 part) I tried to keep the cost low by using plaster. Don't think I'll try that again! There was more damage than I liked when removing the core plug. This meant a good deal of patch work after to ready it for the foundry. The good news was that the core plug came out in one piece. At least it can be reused if another core box is needed. The complete series of 5 parts can be found on this page: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/Thumbnails.html Hope you've enjoyed them. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Feb 23 07:11:23 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:11:23 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis References: <200502231344.j1NDimPA040728@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000b01c519b9$f1b8ee40$0ad50304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Rob, Very nicely done. This would make a nice GEM article, all you have to do is send the text and pics to Richard. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Feb 23 08:32:30 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:32:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #5 References: <421C9ECF.2070804@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Couple questions please: 1. At what size X,Y, or Z axis, does shrinkage come into play? 2. I assume you glue the 1x,s together as larger bass wood is not available. 3. Have you ever tried any other wood than bass, and if so, what was it? 4. How do Missy and Devin feel about moving out west where things don't rust so bad Will get down to the "Pattern Shop" soon and get some photo's..One will be a large "Ships Wheel" and a huge firebox bulkhead with 4 doors. Think you'll like'em. This IMO is definetly GEM material...Ship it to Richard!! later pard, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:18 AM Subject: [SEL] Patterns #5 > Well guys, this is the last of the 5 patterns on the Stickney conversion > project. This documents the pattern making work to create a new funnel > that sits on top of the water hopper on a 5HP Stickney. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/Funnel/Thumbnails.html > You'll see I only created the portion of the funnel that is visible. I > choose not to cast the intricate details that extend down inside the > hopper below the waterline. In my opinion that part was over engineered. > Anyone really know what that was for? I can only assume it was intended > to get cooler water down low when refilling the hopper? > > This was the first poured core box I did. Knowing the low volume of > cores to be made (perhaps 1 part) I tried to keep the cost low by using > plaster. Don't think I'll try that again! There was more damage than I > liked when removing the core plug. This meant a good deal of patch work > after to ready it for the foundry. The good news was that the core plug > came out in one piece. At least it can be reused if another core box is > needed. > > The complete series of 5 parts can be found on this page: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/Thumbnails.html > > Hope you've enjoyed them. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Feb 23 10:33:33 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:33:33 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #5 Message-ID: Rick, Here's the shrinkage amount for various types of metal. Iron - 1/8" per foot Steel - 1/4" per foot Aluminum - 5/32" per foot Brass - 3/16" per foot Whether you take into count the shrinkage on a part depends on how accurate you want to make the part to the original size. On small parts you may not notice the difference. WAIT George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Richard Strobel > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:33 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Patterns #5 > > Couple questions please: > > 1. At what size X,Y, or Z axis, does shrinkage come into play? From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Feb 23 11:03:35 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:03:35 EST Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis Message-ID: <1ab.32e1a6ad.2f4e2d87@aol.com> Hi Rob, Very nice. Thank you. Ron Carroll Clearmont, MIssouri, USA In a message dated 2/23/2005 2:46:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com writes: Been playing in the garage with engines, metal and electricity. http://engines.rustyiron.com/-electrolysis Have fun, work safe. Rob From marvhed at ecenet.com Wed Feb 23 11:41:49 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:41:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis-OT In-Reply-To: <1ab.32e1a6ad.2f4e2d87@aol.com> References: <1ab.32e1a6ad.2f4e2d87@aol.com> Message-ID: <33045.199.62.0.252.1109187709.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> another way would be the one that the old black powder rifle makers used to "brown" their rifle barrels, lean them against a tree and p-- on them. http://www.fholder.com/Blacksmithing/tips.htm "In summary, browning is ?controlled rusting that is stopped by the application of oil.? marv in minn From curt at imc-group.com Wed Feb 23 12:26:41 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:26:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #5 In-Reply-To: References: <421C9ECF.2070804@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <421CE701.7080800@imc-group.com> Richard Strobel wrote: >Couple questions please: > >1. At what size X,Y, or Z axis, does shrinkage come into play? > > Rick, It's on all axis (no clue how to spell the plural of axis). In other words it is the same all directions. Best bet when you start making patterns is to get a patterns makers scale for the shrinkage you are going to be working with. If cast iron for example it is 1/8 per foot. You measure off 10" and it will the correct size shrinkage accounted for. >2. I assume you glue the 1x,s together as larger bass wood is not >available. > > When I started this a cabinet maker buddy helped me and we used the materials he had. That was bass wood planned for whatever thickness cabinet makers use. >3. Have you ever tried any other wood than bass, and if so, what was it? > > Poplar is my favorite to work with. I did buy some spanish cedar too. It's fine to work with and very aromatic. Makes the shop smell great! >4. How do Missy and Devin feel about moving out west where things don't >rust so bad > > I'd love to move to a dryer cooler climate, especially one that gets real cold and snowy in the winter. Aging mother confines my wandering gene. Someday we will experience life in other regions of the country...... >Will get down to the "Pattern Shop" soon and get some photo's..One will be a >large "Ships Wheel" and a huge firebox bulkhead with 4 doors. Think you'll >like'em. > > In one of the pattern books I was reading when starting this process, was a picture of a pattern used to make the air intake for a huge ship. It must have been 8' in diamter and doG knows how long. Can you imagine the ladle to pour this! How about the flasks to ram it! > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 23 14:45:08 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:45:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Latest Charlie update - Going Home Message-ID: <00c801c519f9$5e154310$230110ac@PAUL> Well Gang here is the message we have been waiting to get. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 4:30 PM Subject: Latest Charlie update > Hello All, > Looks as if I am to lose my high paying secretarial job. Had a call about > an hour ago from Charlie asking me to send out this to his friends. He > is doing very well. He asked me to tell you of today's activities. He had > two therapies involving walking, exercising arms and did stairs 3 X's 10 > the first and 20 the next two times. He had a manicure!! A Harvard > Medical student interviewed him and gave him a check up--this involved an > hour. He called me just now to tell me the student came back with a team > of 5 who checked him over. The Dr was in and it appears he will be > released Monday. He asked me to thank you for your prayers--they worked! > Can you believe it was 2 1/2 weeks ago he had the risky surgery! > Another call--- > Latest addition from another call--he had just had a call from his > granddaughter in N H. --she will go for him Monday to take him to her > place for few days so he will have a chance to enjoy his 3 great > grandchildren--this will help him adjust to being out of Rehab as > well--before coming on to Maine. > > If any change I will keep you informed. Please feel free to contact me > --I really haven't minded this secretarial job!! > Charlie's sister, > Lois PS Thank you ,Paul, for letting the fellows know what has been > going on!! > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Feb 23 14:56:14 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:56:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #5 References: <421C9ECF.2070804@imc-group.com> <421CE701.7080800@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Thanks much Curt and George!! Will be looking for a pattern makers scale. Well headed up north with Spud in the mornin' to pick up this belt driven water pump. Weather should be in the high 50's and hopefully not much wind. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Patterns #5 > Richard Strobel wrote: > > >Couple questions please: > > > >1. At what size X,Y, or Z axis, does shrinkage come into play? > > > > > Rick, > It's on all axis (no clue how to spell the plural of axis). In other > words it is the same all directions. Best bet when you start making > patterns is to get a patterns makers scale for the shrinkage you are > going to be working with. If cast iron for example it is 1/8 per foot. > You measure off 10" and it will the correct size shrinkage accounted for. > > >2. I assume you glue the 1x,s together as larger bass wood is not > >available. > > > > > When I started this a cabinet maker buddy helped me and we used the > materials he had. That was bass wood planned for whatever thickness > cabinet makers use. > > >3. Have you ever tried any other wood than bass, and if so, what was it? > > > > > Poplar is my favorite to work with. I did buy some spanish cedar too. > It's fine to work with and very aromatic. Makes the shop smell great! > > >4. How do Missy and Devin feel about moving out west where things don't > >rust so bad > > > > > I'd love to move to a dryer cooler climate, especially one that gets > real cold and snowy in the winter. Aging mother confines my wandering > gene. Someday we will experience life in other regions of the > country...... > > >Will get down to the "Pattern Shop" soon and get some photo's..One will > >be a > >large "Ships Wheel" and a huge firebox bulkhead with 4 doors. Think > >you'll > >like'em. > > > > > In one of the pattern books I was reading when starting this process, > was a picture of a pattern used to make the air intake for a huge ship. > It must have been 8' in diamter and doG knows how long. Can you imagine > the ladle to pour this! How about the flasks to ram it! > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Feb 23 15:49:53 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:49:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis-OT In-Reply-To: <33045.199.62.0.252.1109187709.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <1ab.32e1a6ad.2f4e2d87@aol.com> <33045.199.62.0.252.1109187709.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Hey Marv, One word of advice... Don't combine the methods. Pissing on the electrical leads from the energized arc welder might "light up your life." See ya, Arnie PS - If you DO combine the methods, Dave wants to recruit you for buzz coil testing. On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > another way would be the one that the old black powder rifle makers used > to "brown" their rifle barrels, lean them against a tree and p-- on them. From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Feb 23 16:00:39 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:00:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Patterns #5 In-Reply-To: References: <421C9ECF.2070804@imc-group.com> <421CE701.7080800@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Rick, What you need is a "shrink rule." http://catalog.starrett.com/catalog/catalog/groups.asp?GroupID=549 Just make DAMN sure that you keep it where you won't use it for "normal" measurements. Trust me on that one!! See ya, Arnie On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Richard Strobel wrote: > Thanks much Curt and George!! Will be looking for a pattern makers scale. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > > It's on all axis (no clue how to spell the plural of axis). In other > > words it is the same all directions. Best bet when you start making > > patterns is to get a patterns makers scale for the shrinkage you are > > going to be working with. If cast iron for example it is 1/8 per foot. > > You measure off 10" and it will the correct size shrinkage accounted for. From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Feb 23 16:13:31 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:13:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis In-Reply-To: <421C94FE.8010407@imc-group.com> References: <200502230732.j1N7W8lI002839@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <421C94FE.8010407@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hey Curt, they have TV in North Carolina? You might want to watch the national weather from time to time. KA is setting all time records for rainfall. I don't think anyone there would say they had a "very low humidity environment." 8-)) http://www.elitestv.com/pub/2005/Feb/EEN421ccdc88f053.html See ya, Arnie On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Curt wrote: > Wow Rob, as usual you do beautiful documentation of your projects. > It is intestesting that you have to set up a process to create rust out > west due to living in a very low humidity environment. Here in the east > we only have to set a new part out the back door for a few weeks and > between the humidity, rain, and heat we''ve quickly got a rusty chuck of > iron laying there. From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Feb 23 12:18:25 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:18:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis In-Reply-To: <200502230732.j1N7W8lI002839@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502230732.j1N7W8lI002839@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050223151738.02200d38@mail.alltel.net> Interesting Rob. Thanks for the lesson! Dave At 02:32 AM 2/23/2005, you wrote: >Been playing in the garage with engines, metal and electricity. >http://engines.rustyiron.com/-electrolysis >Have fun, work safe. >Rob From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Feb 23 12:17:06 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:17:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #5 In-Reply-To: <421C9ECF.2070804@imc-group.com> References: <421C9ECF.2070804@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050223151522.021e1920@mail.alltel.net> VERY nice series Curt. I enjoyed and LEARNED! I concur 100% that this needs to be sent to GEM. Others (not on the List) need to learn as well! Dave At 10:18 AM 2/23/2005, you wrote: >Well guys, this is the last of the 5 patterns on the Stickney conversion >project. This documents the pattern making work to create a new funnel >that sits on top of the water hopper on a 5HP Stickney. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/Funnel/Thumbnails.html >You'll see I only created the portion of the funnel that is visible. I >choose not to cast the intricate details that extend down inside the >hopper below the waterline. In my opinion that part was over engineered. >Anyone really know what that was for? I can only assume it was intended to >get cooler water down low when refilling the hopper? > >This was the first poured core box I did. Knowing the low volume of cores >to be made (perhaps 1 part) I tried to keep the cost low by using plaster. >Don't think I'll try that again! There was more damage than I liked when >removing the core plug. This meant a good deal of patch work after to >ready it for the foundry. The good news was that the core plug came out in >one piece. At least it can be reused if another core box is needed. > >The complete series of 5 parts can be found on this page: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/Thumbnails.html > >Hope you've enjoyed them. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Feb 23 17:33:59 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:33:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #5 References: <421C9ECF.2070804@imc-group.com><421CE701.7080800@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Thanks Arn!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Patterns #5 > Hi Rick, > > What you need is a "shrink rule." > http://catalog.starrett.com/catalog/catalog/groups.asp?GroupID=549 > > Just make DAMN sure that you keep it where you won't use it for "normal" > measurements. Trust me on that one!! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Richard Strobel wrote: > > > Thanks much Curt and George!! Will be looking for a pattern makers > > scale. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Curt" > > > It's on all axis (no clue how to spell the plural of axis). In other > > > words it is the same all directions. Best bet when you start making > > > patterns is to get a patterns makers scale for the shrinkage you are > > > going to be working with. If cast iron for example it is 1/8 per foot. > > > You measure off 10" and it will the correct size shrinkage accounted > > > for. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Feb 23 18:35:44 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:35:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis In-Reply-To: <200502230732.j1N7W8lI002839@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502230732.j1N7W8lI002839@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: That works great to rust iron or steel. So will any kind of "browning" solution. An old favorite of many gunsmiths is urine. Something I discovered when I was around 13 that'll almost instantly turn iron to rust is Clorox (sodium hypochlorite) mixed with vinegar to produce free hypochlorous acid. I took that a step further, having discovered electrolysis, and hooked up iron as the anode in a Clorox bath with a 6V battery. That'd make it melt away to red rust at an incredibly fast rate. Too much rust for just making a "patina," but if you really want nasty, pitted "antiquing," try it! John On Feb 23, 2005, at 2:32 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > Been playing in the garage with engines, metal and electricity. > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/-electrolysis > > Have fun, work safe. > Rob > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 24 04:36:02 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:36:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Latest Charlie update - Going Home References: <20050224012639.79155.qmail@web61310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004701c51a6d$688fd020$230110ac@PAUL> Hello Alan, Everyone is certainly welcome, we are really indebted to Charlie's sister Lois who kept us all updated. Charlie said he is looking forward to seeing everyone at Portland this year and I so hope I can make it. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "Paul Maples" Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Latest Charlie update - Going Home > That's GREAT news, Paul. > > Thank you very much for continuing to make these posts. > > Alan > > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Feb 24 04:49:22 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:49:22 EST Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis Message-ID: <8c.2167d61a.2f4f2752@aol.com> In a message dated 2/23/2005 9:53:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, johnculp at chartertn.net writes: << An old favorite of many gunsmiths is urine. >> And from what I have been told for some reason a pregnant woman's urine was even better to brown the old guns. Hacker Martin was a very well known black powder gun maker, living up the road a couple of miles from where we live. It is what he used. There is an article on his gun making in the Foxfire series of books. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From mholland at rustyiron.com Thu Feb 24 06:15:00 2005 From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:15:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #5 Message-ID: Curt forgot one little detail about using plaster to make the core box. In order to complete the drying, the box spent at least 24 hours in my kitchen oven at 150 degrees. So don't try this if the wife will not let you use the oven. Missy Holland Gastonia, NC > Well guys, this is the last of the 5 patterns on the Stickney conversion > project. This documents the pattern making work to create a new funnel > that sits on top of the water hopper on a 5HP Stickney. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/Funnel/Thu mbnails.html > You'll see I only created the portion of the funnel that is visible. I > choose not to cast the intricate details that extend down inside the > hopper below the waterline. In my opinion that part was over engineered. > Anyone really know what that was for? I can only assume it was intended > to get cooler water down low when refilling the hopper? > > This was the first poured core box I did. Knowing the low volume of > cores to be made (perhaps 1 part) I tried to keep the cost low by using > plaster. Don't think I'll try that again! There was more damage than I > liked when removing the core plug. This meant a good deal of patch work > after to ready it for the foundry. The good news was that the core plug > came out in one piece. At least it can be reused if another core box is > needed. > > The complete series of 5 parts can be found on this page: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/Thumbnails .html > > Hope you've enjoyed them. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Feb 24 06:45:25 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:45:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis In-Reply-To: <8c.2167d61a.2f4f2752@aol.com> References: <8c.2167d61a.2f4f2752@aol.com> Message-ID: <4096.165.206.180.118.1109256325.squirrel@antique-engines.com> 'tis true - and some electronics companies used to ban women from assembly line when pregnant or during certain other times because of increased acids on the skin. It had an affect, according to them, on the fine componant connections and finishes. > In a message dated 2/23/2005 9:53:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, > johnculp at chartertn.net writes: > > << An old favorite of many gunsmiths is urine. >> > > > And from what I have been told for some reason a pregnant woman's urine > was > even better to brown the old guns. Hacker Martin was a very well known > black > powder gun maker, living up the road a couple of miles from where we live. > It > is what he used. There is an article on his gun making in the Foxfire > series > of books. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 24 07:54:49 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:54:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050224105330.026c5e30@mail.alltel.net> > So don't try this if the wife will >not let you use the oven. >Missy Holland Hi Missy, We have known for a long time that Curt's wife is much, MUCH better than he deserves! Dave From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Feb 24 02:20:41 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:20:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #5 References: <421C9ECF.2070804@imc-group.com><421CE701.7080800@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <048301c51aa9$e3dc7bc0$3d111bd3@reg> I sorta feel there might be a story in there somewhere Arnie??? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > Just make DAMN sure that you keep it where you won't use it for "normal" > measurements. Trust me on that one!! > > See ya, Arnie From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Feb 24 17:15:17 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:15:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis In-Reply-To: <4096.165.206.180.118.1109256325.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <8c.2167d61a.2f4f2752@aol.com> <4096.165.206.180.118.1109256325.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <1500a716d69fbfc67ffb60311e25775d@chartertn.net> This is interesting, because in recent days I've learned on the Tube Collectors Association mailing list that the tube manufacturers learned from experience that they had to ban women at certain times of the month from working with the fine iron wire used in barretter or "ballast" tubes. Their perspiration was too corrosive. Another member reported that AWA in Australia encountered the same problem with the fine wire in wireless coils. Another wondered if that meant that ALL the women in the plant eventually got a monthly holiday due to the common phenomenon of cycle synchronization. John On Feb 24, 2005, at 9:45 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > 'tis true - and some electronics companies used to ban women from > assembly > line when pregnant or during certain other times because of increased > acids on the skin. It had an affect, according to them, on the fine > componant connections and finishes. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 24 17:27:29 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:27:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis In-Reply-To: <1500a716d69fbfc67ffb60311e25775d@chartertn.net> References: <8c.2167d61a.2f4f2752@aol.com> <4096.165.206.180.118.1109256325.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <1500a716d69fbfc67ffb60311e25775d@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050224202621.0e9a6128@mail.alltel.net> We, indeed, started down a slippery slope when we allowed women to work outside the home! Dave At 08:15 PM 2/24/2005, you wrote: >This is interesting, because in recent days I've learned on the Tube >Collectors Association mailing list that the tube manufacturers learned >from experience that they had to ban women at certain times of the month >from working with the fine iron wire used in barretter or "ballast" tubes. >Their perspiration was too corrosive. Another member reported that AWA in >Australia encountered the same problem with the fine wire in wireless >coils. Another wondered if that meant that ALL the women in the plant >eventually got a monthly holiday due to the common phenomenon of cycle >synchronization. > >John > >On Feb 24, 2005, at 9:45 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > >>'tis true - and some electronics companies used to ban women from assembly >>line when pregnant or during certain other times because of increased >>acids on the skin. It had an affect, according to them, on the fine >>componant connections and finishes. > > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Feb 25 07:08:56 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:08:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] F-M pump Message-ID: Well we headed up north yesterday and got the pump loaded..just a little bigger than I thot, but she's a dandy. Right side of Rockies in the background: http://community.webshots.com/photo/276385437/282150632HCZcmQ The unloading docks is one of my better BF's and that's the primer assy. on the left: http://community.webshots.com/photo/276385437/282150216DtctJV And then Harry M. sends me this photo of it's smaller brother: http://www.smokstak.com/gallery/files/1/DCP01313.JPG And we weren't even talking about them..whew!! Anyone know of any literature out there or how to decipher the tag? Hope ya enjoy RickinMt. From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Feb 25 08:58:32 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:58:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another Stickney question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi George, I have a 3 hp small cambox stickney, fuelpump model(but missing the pump). So I'm following Curt's thread closely and hoping I can get my hands on a set of castings. Good job Curt! Thanks, Steve Royster >From: "George Best" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] Another Stickney question >Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:14:13 -0800 > >After posting my last message about the Stickney show, I was wondering >how many list members have one or more Stickneys. > >Who has a Stickney? > >Does the engine list collectively own most of the various sizes and >models that Stickney made? > >I've only got one Stickney, which is a 7hp fuel pump engine. > >I know Curt has a 5hp gravity fed engine (soon to be converted to fuel >pump) > >I know a few other people lurking on the list with Stickneys, including >some rare ones, but will let them speak up if they want to. > >WAIT George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Fri Feb 25 15:15:09 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:15:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] mystery engine Message-ID: <410-22005252523159843@coastalnet.com> I was asked to help ID an engine that has "Minneapolis Iron Stove Company" on the nameplate. Pictures can be viewed at: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/minnie/ Thanks, Ken Christison christison at coastalnet.com www.oldiron-nut.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 25 17:02:05 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:02:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Original Stickney Cast Iron Coil (#7137021174) Message-ID: <1109379725.421fca8d5b668@webmail.city-net.com> Here's a hard-to-find goodie for you Stickney folks!! View this Item on eBay at http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D7137021174%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1&partner=777701 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Original Stickney Hit & Miss Gas Engine Cast Iron Coil Item number: 7137021174 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Seller: flywheelranger(1404) Positive Feedback: 99.9% Member since Feb-25-00 in United States Current bid: US $127.50 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Time left: 3 days 3 hours 7-day listing Ends Feb-28-0520:06:18 PST Item location: OZ Land United States Ships to: Worldwide ----------------------------------------------------------------- Summary Rare Original Charles A. Stickney Co. St. Paul, Minnesota Gas Engine Cast Iron Coil. Fits most sizes of Stickney enignes. Has two bolt mounting flange with holes on 4" centers. Has the 4-digit Stickney part number 1785. Good original engine coil, it is hot and has fire. Has had the wooden end cap replaced. Has original switch and end cap clamp. No cracks welds or repairs. See Photos! Check out my other auctions for old farm tractor and engine parts and collectibles! Buyer to pay actual shipping cost plus insurance if desired. I accept money orders and ship same day as received. Or personal checks with +10 feedback and it will take 10 days to clear. Thanks for Looking! ----------------------------------------------------------------- From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 25 18:18:28 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:18:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] BALL POINT Spark Plug (#6513756390) Message-ID: <1109384308.421fdc74ec474@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, Damn, this is one wierd spark plug! See ya, Arnie ----- Forwarded message from fero_ah at city-net.com ----- View this Item on eBay at http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D6513756390%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1&partner=777701 Summary This auction is for a very very rare and unusual Ball Point spark plug. It is in new old stock never been used condition with its original box and paperwork. The box has 1 end flap missing, but is still very nice an the plug is in excellent condition. The plug is 1/2" pipe threads and has a very unusual caged electrode configuration with the grounding electrode as an adjustment, and the center electrode has a ball at the end of it. Very nice old plug and very hard to find in any condition. From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Feb 25 19:25:04 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 22:25:04 EST Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update Message-ID: <20.3f770bfa.2f514610@aol.com> Hi List, Finally, the Fairbanks Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) has been completely disassembled. All the springs (governor, compensating, and throttle control) except for the valve springs and the speed control spring were unusable. The governor spring came out in many pieces. New ones have been ordered. Some previous owner had installed the valve adjust shims in the wrong order. The valve stems actually worn through the thin shims. The thick shim is the one that should make contact with the valve stem. The air fuel mixer valve butterfly was frozen and would not move. After a little careful application of the "flame wrench", penetrating oil, and a soaking in carburetor cleaner, the butterfly valve seems to operate correctly. The governor control rod and throttle activating assembly were also frozen. Again the heat wrench came to my aid. All parts are free. The bolt that holds the throttle activating assembly to the governor control rod snap during removal. Luckly, heating the unit with the flame wrench and application of penetrating oil, then being able to grab a part of the broken bolt with vise grips, it was removed. The bearing surfaces on the camshaft have been polish. There are rust pot holes on some of the surfaces. However, since this engine will not be operated in a work environment, these defects will not matter. Since the timing gear on the crankshaft was damaged, inquiries were made as the availability of a replacement usable unit. Fortunately for me, one of the members of our local engine club (Central Coast Vintage Machinery Association, Inc.) had a complete crankshaft assembly which he let me have for this engine. The crankshaft bearing surfaces have to be polished and one of the main bearing has to be replaced. A replacement bearing has been ordered. The governor assembly seems to be in fairly decent condition. None of the weights are deteriorated and work freely. There are two cotter pins which are installed as to prevent the governor weight pins from rotating. Does anyone why this was done in this manner? The magneto still has to be checked. The alloy magneto gear has little or no deterioration. No timing marks seem to be visable. Does this engine have timing marks on the timing gears or magneto gear? If there are no timing marks, how is this engine timed? Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Feb 26 06:15:44 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 09:15:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Original Stickney Cast Iron Coil (#7137021174) References: <1109379725.421fca8d5b668@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <00a801c51c0d$a921e2d0$9235ef18@pengy> Hmm I wonder if Curt is going to be making a pattern for this too! I think he should just go all out and start selling reproduction Stickney engines. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 8:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Original Stickney Cast Iron Coil (#7137021174) > Here's a hard-to-find goodie for you Stickney folks!! > > > View this Item on eBay at > http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D7137021174%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1&partner=777701 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Original Stickney Hit & Miss Gas Engine Cast Iron Coil > Item number: 7137021174 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Seller: flywheelranger(1404) > Positive Feedback: 99.9% > Member since Feb-25-00 in United States > Current bid: US $127.50 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Time left: 3 days 3 hours > 7-day listing > Ends Feb-28-0520:06:18 PST > > > Item location: OZ Land > United States > Ships to: Worldwide > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Summary > Rare Original Charles A. Stickney Co. St. Paul, Minnesota Gas Engine Cast > Iron > Coil. Fits most sizes of Stickney enignes. Has two bolt mounting flange > with > holes on 4" centers. Has the 4-digit Stickney part number 1785. Good > original > engine coil, it is hot and has fire. Has had the wooden end cap replaced. > Has > original switch and end cap clamp. No cracks welds or repairs. See > Photos! > Check out my other auctions for old farm tractor and engine parts and > collectibles! Buyer to pay actual shipping cost plus insurance if desired. > I > accept money orders and ship same day as received. Or personal checks with > +10 > feedback and it will take 10 days to clear. Thanks for Looking! > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Feb 26 07:07:23 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 08:07:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update References: <20.3f770bfa.2f514610@aol.com> Message-ID: Francis; Yes there are timing marks/methods. I believe it has something to do with the split in the case but let's not take that to the bank yet. Somewhere there is posted a manual for the "Z" but haven't found it yet. I thought it was on Harry's but have failed to find it. Will try gaggle. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 8:25 PM Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update > Hi List, > Finally, the Fairbanks Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) has been > completely disassembled. All the springs (governor, compensating, and > throttle > control) except for the valve springs and the speed control spring were > unusable. > The governor spring came out in many pieces. New ones have been ordered. > Some previous owner had installed the valve adjust shims in the wrong > order. > The valve stems actually worn through the thin shims. The thick shim is > the one that should make contact with the valve stem. > The air fuel mixer valve butterfly was frozen and would not move. After > a > little careful application of the "flame wrench", penetrating oil, and a > soaking in carburetor cleaner, the butterfly valve seems to operate > correctly. > The governor control rod and throttle activating assembly were also > frozen. > Again the heat wrench came to my aid. All parts are free. The bolt that > holds > the throttle activating assembly to the governor control rod snap during > removal. Luckly, heating the unit with the flame wrench and application > of > penetrating oil, then being able to grab a part of the broken bolt with > vise > grips, it was removed. > The bearing surfaces on the camshaft have been polish. There are rust > pot > holes on some of the surfaces. However, since this engine will not be > operated in a work environment, these defects will not matter. > Since the timing gear on the crankshaft was damaged, inquiries were made > as > the availability of a replacement usable unit. Fortunately for me, one > of > the members of our local engine club (Central Coast Vintage Machinery > Association, Inc.) had a complete crankshaft assembly which he let me have > for this > engine. The crankshaft bearing surfaces have to be polished and one of > the > main bearing has to be replaced. A replacement bearing has been ordered. > The governor assembly seems to be in fairly decent condition. None of > the > weights are deteriorated and work freely. There are two cotter pins > which are > installed as to prevent the governor weight pins from rotating. Does > anyone > why this was done in this manner? > The magneto still has to be checked. The alloy magneto gear has little > or > no deterioration. > No timing marks seem to be visable. Does this engine have timing marks > on > the timing gears or magneto gear? If there are no timing marks, how is > this > engine timed? > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 26 07:24:09 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:24:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Tod Engine Show (9/17-18) In-Reply-To: <00b101c5186e$ae412020$fdc19a18@pengy> References: <00b101c5186e$ae412020$fdc19a18@pengy> Message-ID: Hi Rick, Man, you sure picked a doozy of a weekend for this engine show. That's the weekend of the Sistersville WV show (9/15-18) and the Drake Well show in Titusville (9/17). Nonetheless, I'm planning on being at the Tod Engine one. Who knows, we might even be able to get all of the Wrecking Crew to attend and pose for a group photo. 8-)) Keep the list informed as the plans evolve. I'm sure that we'll be able to get a good turnout of running engines on display. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Tod Engine wrote: > I'm itching to get back to work on the Tod Engine display site. I have > talked to a contractor with a skid steer with auger to drill the holes > for the foundation piers for the display pavilion, and once we get a few > nice days I'll get him out there to do the work. Then I'll get a few > forms in place and start pouring the next portion of the concrete > display slab. One way or another the concrete work will get done > this spring and the remainder of the engine gets moved to the site this > summer (or fall depending upon how busy the riggers are!) > > Maybe you've noticed in the new show directory that we are listed for > having a show on September 17 and 18. This is the goal that I have set > for having enough of the site ready for our first open house and > hopefully all of the engine parts will be there (if not reassembled > yet). > > This will be an event to both thank the people who have assisted with > the Tod Engine Project and also our first public gathering to show off > the engine (parts). It would be fabulous if one or more SEL members > could come out with an engine or two to run. That weekend also marks > nine years since the beginning of removal of the engine from the mill on > Sept. 20, 1996. > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Engine Heritage Park > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > http://www.todengine.org/ > Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 26 07:57:15 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:57:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update In-Reply-To: References: <20.3f770bfa.2f514610@aol.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605022607574045311a@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 08:07:23 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > Francis; > Yes there are timing marks/methods. I believe it has something to do with > the split in the case but let's not take that to the bank yet. Somewhere > there is posted a manual for the "Z" but haven't found it yet. I thought it > was on Harry's but have failed to find it. Will try gaggle. > > RickinMt. It's in the same place as the Kohler manual, Rick...... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 26 09:28:52 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:28:52 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Kohler Genny In-Reply-To: References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:02:21 +0000, Peter A Forbes wrote: > On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:32:20 -0500, you wrote: > > >There are some Kohler manuals online on the OldEngine.Org site. I imagine > >that Jeff's index will guide you to them. > > Jim: > > I don't think we ever organised that Doc's subdirectory into the main menu, do > you want to make that available publicly?? OK, I have rewritten the menu page for the document section to reflect the overall pictorial changes that we made to the Oldengine site a few years ago. The direct URL for the documents section is : http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Docs.htm All the files are in .pdf format, and the size of each file is given in brackets after the title. A button has also been added to the main Oldengine.org menu page to give access to the documents section, and the url link to Adobe's website is also in there still. Let me know if anyone has any problems accessing anything, I have kept the old menu page for reference in case we need to look back at it for anything. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Feb 26 09:29:26 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 09:29:26 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Z Style D (Shoe Box/Salt Block) Status Update Message-ID: <20050226.092927.1100.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Francis. " Timing Magneto- When replacing the crankcase cover, care must be taken to mesh the magneto gear properly. Precede as follows: Turn flywheel until piston is moving toward cylinder head on COMPRESSION STROKE to a position where the mark on the rim of the flywheel lines up with the joint between the cylinder base casting and the crank case cover. See A on diagram 99ZAD2. ( you can see that can't you) Remove the pipe plug from crankcase cover at the side of the magneto gear and turn the gear so that the mark on the gear comes in front of the inspection opening. See B on diagram 99ZAD2. Then drop the cover in place, making sure that the marks do not move from position. NOTE: the speed regulator lever must be shifted to a position nearest the flywheel when the cover is dropped in place. If you need a picture of the diagram let me know. And good luck. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > The magneto still has to be checked. The alloy magneto gear has > little > > or > > no deterioration. > > No timing marks seem to be visable. Does this engine have timing > marks > > on > > the timing gears or magneto gear? If there are no timing marks, > how is > > this > > engine timed? > > > > Francis Maciel > > Santa Maria, CA > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Feb 26 09:53:22 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:53:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update References: <20.3f770bfa.2f514610@aol.com> <6f60251605022607574045311a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm at a loss, where would that be Peter? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update > On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 08:07:23 -0700, Richard Strobel > wrote: > > Francis; > > Yes there are timing marks/methods. I believe it has something to do > > with > > the split in the case but let's not take that to the bank yet. > > Somewhere > > there is posted a manual for the "Z" but haven't found it yet. I > > thought it > > was on Harry's but have failed to find it. Will try gaggle. > > > > RickinMt. > > It's in the same place as the Kohler manual, Rick...... > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Feb 26 10:00:44 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:00:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update References: <20.3f770bfa.2f514610@aol.com> Message-ID: Ah, Ha..here's the little devil: http://www.old-engine.com/fmzd.htm RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update > Francis; > Yes there are timing marks/methods. I believe it has something to do > with the split in the case but let's not take that to the bank yet. > Somewhere there is posted a manual for the "Z" but haven't found it yet. > I thought it was on Harry's but have failed to find it. Will try gaggle. > > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 8:25 PM > Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update > > > > Hi List, > > Finally, the Fairbanks Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) has been > > completely disassembled. All the springs (governor, compensating, and > > throttle > > control) except for the valve springs and the speed control spring were > > unusable. > > The governor spring came out in many pieces. New ones have been > > ordered. > > Some previous owner had installed the valve adjust shims in the wrong > > order. > > The valve stems actually worn through the thin shims. The thick shim > > is > > the one that should make contact with the valve stem. > > The air fuel mixer valve butterfly was frozen and would not move. > > After a > > little careful application of the "flame wrench", penetrating oil, and > > a > > soaking in carburetor cleaner, the butterfly valve seems to operate > > correctly. > > The governor control rod and throttle activating assembly were also > > frozen. > > Again the heat wrench came to my aid. All parts are free. The bolt > > that holds > > the throttle activating assembly to the governor control rod snap > > during > > removal. Luckly, heating the unit with the flame wrench and > > application of > > penetrating oil, then being able to grab a part of the broken bolt with > > vise > > grips, it was removed. > > The bearing surfaces on the camshaft have been polish. There are rust > > pot > > holes on some of the surfaces. However, since this engine will not be > > operated in a work environment, these defects will not matter. > > Since the timing gear on the crankshaft was damaged, inquiries were > > made as > > the availability of a replacement usable unit. Fortunately for me, one > > of > > the members of our local engine club (Central Coast Vintage Machinery > > Association, Inc.) had a complete crankshaft assembly which he let me > > have for this > > engine. The crankshaft bearing surfaces have to be polished and one of > > the > > main bearing has to be replaced. A replacement bearing has been > > ordered. > > The governor assembly seems to be in fairly decent condition. None of > > the > > weights are deteriorated and work freely. There are two cotter pins > > which are > > installed as to prevent the governor weight pins from rotating. Does > > anyone > > why this was done in this manner? > > The magneto still has to be checked. The alloy magneto gear has little > > or > > no deterioration. > > No timing marks seem to be visable. Does this engine have timing marks > > on > > the timing gears or magneto gear? If there are no timing marks, how is > > this > > engine timed? > > > > Francis Maciel > > Santa Maria, CA > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 26 10:12:39 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:12:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update In-Reply-To: References: <20.3f770bfa.2f514610@aol.com> <6f60251605022607574045311a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050226101268164737@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:53:22 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > I'm at a loss, where would that be Peter? > > Rick http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Docs.htm You've not been reading your list emails! :-)) It's the third item down, you will nead Adobe Acrobat to get it downloaded, and there is a link to Adobe on that page as well. I posted to both lists about 40 minutes ago re the Documents on Oldengine.org. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 26 10:31:08 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:31:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update In-Reply-To: References: <20.3f770bfa.2f514610@aol.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605022610312b669915@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:00:44 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > Ah, Ha..here's the little devil: > > http://www.old-engine.com/fmzd.htm > > RickinMt. The one on Oldengine is a 16-page scan of an original manual, with all the parts list, settings and valve timing etc etc. Is that what you wanted? I don't know if it is specific to the models you quoted, it is for a Z model. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 26 10:49:26 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:49:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Folks, I've got a problem with two of the items that are listed in this handy dandy collection of literature. Specifically, the Bessemer Oilfield Engine manual and the Wico EK manual. In my opinion we have no business putting those on the web or keeping them there. http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Bessemer_Ox_OM.pdf http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Wico_EK_OM.pdf The reason that I strongly object is that these are items that Ed Deis sells at Hit & Miss Enterprises. Notice the "L03" and the "L43" in the upper right hand corner of the cover pages? Those are Ed's "Catalog Numbers." http://www.hitnmiss.com/22.htm He lists L03 for sale for $15 and L43 for $3. Do we REALLY need to rip someone off who provides so many parts and so much literature to the hobby? Come on, if you want a copy of those manuals, send Hit & Miss $15 or $3. If you're in this hobby to any extent, even $15 isn't gonna break the bank. Hell, I spill beer worth more than that on a typical engine show weekend! How about it folks? Take those off the web. Let's not cut the hobby suppliers who do so much for us. In fact, why not add a link to Hit & Miss's Literature page and push some business Ed's way? See ya, Arnie PS - PLEASE don't go into a long song & dance about where the scans came from or how long they've been on the web. Frankly, I don't care. I think keeping them on the web now is the wrong thing to do. Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > OK, I have rewritten the menu page for the document section to reflect > the overall pictorial changes that we made to the Oldengine site a few > years ago. The direct URL for the documents section is : > > http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Docs.htm From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 26 11:03:17 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:03:17 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605022611036dc86f0f@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:49:26 -0500 (EST), Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I've got a problem with two of the items that are listed in this handy > dandy collection of literature. > See ya, Arnie > PS - PLEASE don't go into a long song & dance about where the scans came > from or how long they've been on the web. Frankly, I don't care. I think > keeping them on the web now is the wrong thing to do. > > Arnie Fero Until I hear from Jim Dunmyer, whose site it is, I have provisionally removed their listing from the document page and have renamed the stored files as well so that nobody can access them by name. It is Jim's perogative to take what action he feels fit, and I will be guided by his wishes on this matter. Should he request reinstatement, then I will do so, as he can of course do it himself if he wishes. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Feb 26 11:14:50 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:14:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net><005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com><6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Good catch Arn! Gotta get back to mopping up water in 1/3rd the upstairs. Ladies, hire a professonal repairman next time an appliance needs fixin'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rickinsouthern Ka ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Old Engine" Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question > Hi Folks, > > I've got a problem with two of the items that are listed in this handy > dandy collection of literature. > > Specifically, the Bessemer Oilfield Engine manual and the Wico EK manual. > In my opinion we have no business putting those on the web or keeping > them there. > http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Bessemer_Ox_OM.pdf > http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Wico_EK_OM.pdf > > The reason that I strongly object is that these are items that Ed Deis > sells at Hit & Miss Enterprises. Notice the "L03" and the "L43" in the > upper right hand corner of the cover pages? Those are Ed's "Catalog > Numbers." http://www.hitnmiss.com/22.htm > He lists L03 for sale for $15 and L43 for $3. > > Do we REALLY need to rip someone off who provides so many parts and so > much literature to the hobby? Come on, if you want a copy of those > manuals, send Hit & Miss $15 or $3. If you're in this hobby to any > extent, even $15 isn't gonna break the bank. Hell, I spill beer worth > more than that on a typical engine show weekend! > > How about it folks? Take those off the web. Let's not cut the hobby > suppliers who do so much for us. In fact, why not add a link to Hit & > Miss's Literature page and push some business Ed's way? > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - PLEASE don't go into a long song & dance about where the scans came > from or how long they've been on the web. Frankly, I don't care. I think > keeping them on the web now is the wrong thing to do. > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > OK, I have rewritten the menu page for the document section to reflect > > the overall pictorial changes that we made to the Oldengine site a few > > years ago. The direct URL for the documents section is : > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Docs.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 26 11:58:30 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:58:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050226145309.0eab1d70@mail.alltel.net> Hi Arnie If there ever was a copyrite on either it's LONG ago expired. Ed has NO MORE right (legal or ethical) to the literature than does anyone else. Had Ed paid for it then it might be a different story--believe me, Ed paid NOTHING for what he reprinted. Dave PS, For Peter to "pull" the items when ONLY one person has complained/bitched/moaned about them shows where he is coming from! At 01:49 PM 2/26/2005, you wrote: >Hi Folks, > >I've got a problem with two of the items that are listed in this handy >dandy collection of literature. > >Specifically, the Bessemer Oilfield Engine manual and the Wico EK manual. >In my opinion we have no business putting those on the web or keeping >them there. >http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Bessemer_Ox_OM.pdf >http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Wico_EK_OM.pdf > >The reason that I strongly object is that these are items that Ed Deis >sells at Hit & Miss Enterprises. Notice the "L03" and the "L43" in the >upper right hand corner of the cover pages? Those are Ed's "Catalog >Numbers." http://www.hitnmiss.com/22.htm >He lists L03 for sale for $15 and L43 for $3. > >Do we REALLY need to rip someone off who provides so many parts and so >much literature to the hobby? Come on, if you want a copy of those >manuals, send Hit & Miss $15 or $3. If you're in this hobby to any >extent, even $15 isn't gonna break the bank. Hell, I spill beer worth >more than that on a typical engine show weekend! > >How about it folks? Take those off the web. Let's not cut the hobby >suppliers who do so much for us. In fact, why not add a link to Hit & >Miss's Literature page and push some business Ed's way? > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - PLEASE don't go into a long song & dance about where the scans came >from or how long they've been on the web. Frankly, I don't care. I think >keeping them on the web now is the wrong thing to do. > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > OK, I have rewritten the menu page for the document section to reflect > > the overall pictorial changes that we made to the Oldengine site a few > > years ago. The direct URL for the documents section is : > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Docs.htm > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 26 12:17:43 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:17:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050226145309.0eab1d70@mail.alltel.net> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050226145309.0eab1d70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605022612173f0c384d@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:58:30 -0500, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Arnie > If there ever was a copyrite on either it's LONG ago expired. Ed > has NO MORE right (legal or ethical) to the literature than does anyone > else. Had Ed paid for it then it might be a different story--believe me, Ed > paid NOTHING for what he reprinted. > Dave > PS, For Peter to "pull" the items when ONLY one person has > complained/bitched/moaned about them shows where he is coming from! Hi Dave: I took the action I did because I accepted Arnie's word about the books, and took account of his comments. Nobody else apart from yourself, Jim Dunmyer or a couple of other folks would have been able to influence what I did, especially after spending an hour or so on a Saturday rewriting the web pages! :-)) I have commented before on copying and copyright, and there has been a fairly balanced view on the pros and cons of putting stuff on the web. In the case of Oldengine.org I have only the role of helper to Jim Dunmyer, I do not make the policy for the site, that is Jim's job. I felt that Arnie's comments were valid enough to warrant immediate action, subject to Jim's concurrence. I do not know the person concerned, Ed Deis at Hit 'n Miss Enterprises, or the circumstances surrounding his business etc etc., I have to take Arnie's word for that. As these have been available for some 6 years or so without previous comment or question, I was a little surprised, but better to take this seriously for now than cause problems for everyone later on. The files can be restored at any time, I have copies stored on Oldengine. Thanks for your comments, I did appreciate them! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 26 12:47:26 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:47:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050226145309.0eab1d70@mail.alltel.net> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050226145309.0eab1d70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Dave, Of course this isn't a legal issue dealing with copyright. That's why I said it was a matter of ethics. It doesn't matter what Ed paid for the material that he reproduces and sells. In fact, I really wish he had some originals that he copied from, then maybe the quality of the copy wouldn't be shit. Ethical - In accordance with the accepted principles of right and wrong governing the conduct of a group. My issue is simply this. Ed gathers and sells lots of parts & literature. In that way he supports all of us in the hobby. If he makes a few bucks profit, so much the better. I don't think its ethical of us to give away what he's trying to sell. For example, folks might choose to put copies of his entire literature inventory on the web for anyone to use. What's the problem with that? We're just screwing someone who supports the hobby. That just goes against my ethical sense. If others don't have any ethical qualms about that, that's their business. BUT, if they insist on giving that material away, perhaps they could at least take Ed's catalog numbers off the front. Leaving them on is just incredibly tacky. See ya, Arnie On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, Dave Rotigel wrote: > If there ever was a copyrite on either it's LONG ago expired. Ed > has NO MORE right (legal or ethical) to the literature than does anyone > else. Had Ed paid for it then it might be a different story--believe me, Ed > paid NOTHING for what he reprinted. From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Feb 26 12:51:05 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:51:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> Hi Arnie, Where do we draw the line? Should I pull the Maytag manual? How about the Fairbanks Z manual? Reprints of both are sold on E-bay. Will some child go without dinner tonight because I am giving away the public domain information that they sell? I won't buy a reprint and put it online. I don't think that is ethical because I didn't do the work. I will buy original material and put it online if it is public domain. I have as much right to use it as anyone. I made a choice to share whatever information I can as opposed to trying to sell it. I did remove the links on the index page, but only because they are dead links now. Jeff Allen PS. What about the Maytag restoration? Someone is now selling a book on E-bay covering that. Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Folks, > >I've got a problem with two of the items that are listed in this handy >dandy collection of literature. > >Specifically, the Bessemer Oilfield Engine manual and the Wico EK manual. >In my opinion we have no business putting those on the web or keeping >them there. >http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Bessemer_Ox_OM.pdf >http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Wico_EK_OM.pdf > >The reason that I strongly object is that these are items that Ed Deis >sells at Hit & Miss Enterprises. Notice the "L03" and the "L43" in the >upper right hand corner of the cover pages? Those are Ed's "Catalog >Numbers." http://www.hitnmiss.com/22.htm >He lists L03 for sale for $15 and L43 for $3. > >Do we REALLY need to rip someone off who provides so many parts and so >much literature to the hobby? Come on, if you want a copy of those >manuals, send Hit & Miss $15 or $3. If you're in this hobby to any >extent, even $15 isn't gonna break the bank. Hell, I spill beer worth >more than that on a typical engine show weekend! > >How about it folks? Take those off the web. Let's not cut the hobby >suppliers who do so much for us. In fact, why not add a link to Hit & >Miss's Literature page and push some business Ed's way? > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - PLEASE don't go into a long song & dance about where the scans came >from or how long they've been on the web. Frankly, I don't care. I think >keeping them on the web now is the wrong thing to do. > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > >>OK, I have rewritten the menu page for the document section to reflect >>the overall pictorial changes that we made to the Oldengine site a few >>years ago. The direct URL for the documents section is : >> >>http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Docs.htm >> >> > > >To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > >stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >with: >unsubscribe >in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 26 13:12:46 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:12:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Jeff, On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, Jeff Allen wrote: > I won't buy a reprint and put it online. I don't think that is ethical > because I didn't do the work. That is EXACTLY what I referred to. Those two items are Ed Deis' reprints as shown by his catalog numbers on the front of the items. Starbolt identifies his reprints on the back. I don't know how Lee Pederson identifies his. These folks support our hobby. I don't think it's ethical for us to put literature items that they sell up as freebies. That practice does NOT benefit the hobby. We aren't making something available that isn't otherwise available. > I will buy original material and put it > online if it is public domain. I have as much right to use it as anyone. > I made a choice to share whatever information I can as opposed to trying > to sell it. BTW, Jeff, for your info, I'm the guy who provided the Novo & Oil Well Supply info that's on the Literature page. Like you say, I've put that info there to aid others in the hobby. That sort of sharing is a good thing. Putting up Deis / Starbolt / Pederson reprints is not a good thing. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 26 13:19:23 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:19:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050226145309.0eab1d70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f602516050226131947fa3385@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:47:26 -0500 (EST), Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Dave, > > Of course this isn't a legal issue dealing with copyright. That's why I > said it was a matter of ethics. It doesn't matter what Ed paid for the > material that he reproduces and sells. In fact, I really wish he had some > originals that he copied from, then maybe the quality of the copy wouldn't > be shit. Well, I have an original EK manual copy if you want a decent copy... :-)) > Ethical - In accordance with the accepted principles of right and wrong > governing the conduct of a group. > > My issue is simply this. Ed gathers and sells lots of parts & literature. > In that way he supports all of us in the hobby. If he makes a few bucks > profit, so much the better. I don't think its ethical of us to give away > what he's trying to sell. For example, folks might choose to put > copies of his entire literature inventory on the web for anyone to use. > What's the problem with that? We're just screwing someone who supports > the hobby. That just goes against my ethical sense. That is fine and nice, and I am not entirely in any disagreement in principal with what you are saying. But, where do we stop? Do we say that ALL copies should be banned because Joe Doe is, or might be, selling them to make a living? What about Internal Fire and their archives? What about all the other resources, not least the guys that sell this stuff on ebay? I don't have a handle on where we need to draw a line under this right now, to quote a 'US-ism' > If others don't have any ethical qualms about that, that's their business. > BUT, if they insist on giving that material away, perhaps they could at > least take Ed's catalog numbers off the front. Leaving them on is just > incredibly tacky. I agree with that, because they were identifiable as Ed's copies mainly. > See ya, Arnie Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 26 13:51:10 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:51:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <6f60251605022613273c3ccee2@mail.gmail.com> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> <6f60251605022613273c3ccee2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, At the risk of inflicting deeper gashes on a poor old horse who can no longer defend himself, let me offer a REALLY simple "test" of what is ethically acceptable to put up for "free use." How about this? Is this item currently being sold by one of the hobby vendors (eg. Deis / Starbolt / Pederson) and is it marked as such? If the answer is, "yes", then no, let's not put it up as a freebie. Is that unambiguous enough for everyone? I trust that is not too much of a stretch for folks. What I find really appaling is that this pair of items IS readily available, albiet for a couple of bucks. What about the thousands of pages of original literature that folks own and which is NOT available? I honestly feel that we all would advance the hobby far more by scanning THAT material and putting THAT on the web, rather than those ratty copies that Ed Deis sells. See ya, Arnie PS - Please Peter, don't remind me of the extensive collection of literature that YOU have put on the net. You are a credit to the hobby. My remarks are general and not directed to anyone in particular. On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > OK, can we start to establish what 'IS' OK for people to put up for > free and what 'ISN'T' ?? > > I don't want to get into a heavy ethical/moral issue discussion here, > but Arnie has said that he provided copies for the list archive so by > default that 'must' be OK. Can we state/accept that it is OK for > 'originals' to be copied and put up on the web ? Originals in this > case to mean absolutely original material that has not been supplied > through the restoration trade? > > If Arnie's main objections are, and I basically agree with his > position on this so far, that we should not be copying material that > has come through the restoration trade and making that material > available free of charge, then we should be able to replace any such > material with other stuff that we can ensure is not 'ripped off'. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 26 14:01:33 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:01:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <6f602516050226131947fa3385@mail.gmail.com> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050226145309.0eab1d70@mail.alltel.net> <6f602516050226131947fa3385@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > Well, I have an original EK manual copy if you want a decent copy... :-)) Why not scan it and replace the ratty Ed Deis copy on the literature page? 8-)) > But, where do we stop? Do we say that ALL copies should be banned > because Joe Doe is, or might be, selling them to make a living? What > about Internal Fire and their archives? What about all the other > resources, not least the guys that sell this stuff on ebay? I don't > have a handle on where we need to draw a line under this right now, to > quote a 'US-ism' I'm happy to keep it simple. Hit & Miss, Starbolt, and Pederson all sell parts and literature and advertise these items in their catalogs. They mark the literature as to the fact that it is available from them. So why not just agree to not screw 'em? Works for me. No need to create any grand universal truths, just show a little respect to the folks who support our hobby. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 26 15:00:35 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:00:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net> At 04:12 PM 2/26/2005, you wrote: >Hi Jeff, > >On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, Jeff Allen wrote: > > > I won't buy a reprint and put it online. I don't think that is ethical > > because I didn't do the work. > >That is EXACTLY what I referred to. Those two items are Ed Deis' reprints >as shown by his catalog numbers on the front of the items. Starbolt >identifies his reprints on the back. I don't know how Lee Pederson >identifies his.See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero No Arnie, The reprint IS NOT Ed's. he sold it to someone. At that point ownership traded hands. What the new owner does with the reprint is HIS alone to decide. What "right" do you have to tell the new owner what he can (or can not do) ethically with the material he bought and paid for? Dave PS, With this "ethical" talk one would think that you want to be elected Pope as soon as the sitting one becomes room temperature! From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Feb 26 16:08:23 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:08:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> <6f60251605022613273c3ccee2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42210F77.8050707@earthlink.net> Hi Arnie and list, Saw this old nag laying down and went to put it down. It got up so I thought I'd walk it back to the barn. :-) >How about this? Is this item currently being sold by one of the hobby >vendors (eg. Deis / Starbolt / Pederson) and is it marked as such? > >If the answer is, "yes", then no, let's not put it up as a freebie. > > You strike a good balance with this Arnie. They did take the time to make the reprint, and they deserve some consideration from all of us in the hobby. >What I find really appaling is that this pair of items IS readily >available, albiet for a couple of bucks. What about the thousands of >pages of original literature that folks own and which is NOT available? > >I honestly feel that we all would advance the hobby far more by scanning >THAT material and putting THAT on the web, rather than those ratty copies >that Ed Deis sells. > I'm working on 400 pages from a rare 1906 book. I will put it online for all to see. That's how I do it when I get the opportunity to purchase an old book or manual. I WILL NOT make the work of others available for free if it is readily available*. Now comes the hard part for all of us. We as a community of partially insane collectors of old iron need to iron this out. This issue has nothing to do with copyright or public domain material. Any of us can use it as we choose. I will take the position that Arnie mentioned above. Let's support the vendors that help the hobby. We have enough material to share without making their work free. In closing, I maintain a list of links to the hard work of others. Jim has given me "carte blanche" on the index I maintain, yet I still ask when I make changes. He will have the final say regarding the files on his server. If he decides to make the files available, I will link to them. *That is my duty in running the index, just as it is my duty to run my local clubs site as they (board of directors) see fit. I checked my personal feelings in at the door when I took on the task for the sites I maintain for others. Jeff Allen Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Peter, > >At the risk of inflicting deeper gashes on a poor old horse who can no >longer defend himself, let me offer a REALLY simple "test" of what is >ethically acceptable to put up for "free use." > >How about this? Is this item currently being sold by one of the hobby >vendors (eg. Deis / Starbolt / Pederson) and is it marked as such? > >If the answer is, "yes", then no, let's not put it up as a freebie. > >Is that unambiguous enough for everyone? I trust that is not too much of >a stretch for folks. > >What I find really appaling is that this pair of items IS readily >available, albiet for a couple of bucks. What about the thousands of >pages of original literature that folks own and which is NOT available? > >I honestly feel that we all would advance the hobby far more by scanning >THAT material and putting THAT on the web, rather than those ratty copies >that Ed Deis sells. > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - Please Peter, don't remind me of the extensive collection of >literature that YOU have put on the net. You are a credit to the hobby. >My remarks are general and not directed to anyone in particular. > >On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > >>OK, can we start to establish what 'IS' OK for people to put up for >>free and what 'ISN'T' ?? >> >>I don't want to get into a heavy ethical/moral issue discussion here, >>but Arnie has said that he provided copies for the list archive so by >>default that 'must' be OK. Can we state/accept that it is OK for >>'originals' to be copied and put up on the web ? Originals in this >>case to mean absolutely original material that has not been supplied >>through the restoration trade? >> >>If Arnie's main objections are, and I basically agree with his >>position on this so far, that we should not be copying material that >>has come through the restoration trade and making that material >>available free of charge, then we should be able to replace any such >>material with other stuff that we can ensure is not 'ripped off'. >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 26 17:15:19 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:15:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <6f602516050226131947fa3385@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050227011520.67580.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Folks, Right here is the answer as far as I am concerned. Did Ed have an original booklet to copy? OR,, Did he make copies of someone elses booklet copy. I didn't see it. If the copy is bad then I would guess he didn't have an original. I too believe it is wrong to take copies of Ed's reprints, scan them and put them on-line. BUT,,, Peter, If you have an original it would be great if you can find the time to scan it and put up a link to it. Then folks without puters on-line will go right on buying copies of copies from folks like Ed. Ed will still be selling his reprints. Alan Bowen rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Williamsburg, Michigan --- Listerdiesel wrote: Well, I have an original EK manual copy if you want a decent copy... :-)) > > > Ethical - In accordance with the accepted principles of right and wrong > > governing the conduct of a group. > > > > My issue is simply this. Ed gathers and sells lots of parts & literature. > > In that way he supports all of us in the hobby. If he makes a few bucks > > profit, so much the better. I don't think its ethical of us to give away > > what he's trying to sell. For example, folks might choose to put > > copies of his entire literature inventory on the web for anyone to use. > > What's the problem with that? We're just screwing someone who supports > > the hobby. That just goes against my ethical sense. > > That is fine and nice, and I am not entirely in any disagreement in > principal with what you are saying. > > But, where do we stop? Do we say that ALL copies should be banned > because Joe Doe is, or might be, selling them to make a living? What > about Internal Fire and their archives? What about all the other > resources, not least the guys that sell this stuff on ebay? I don't > have a handle on where we need to draw a line under this right now, to > quote a 'US-ism' > > > If others don't have any ethical qualms about that, that's their business. > > BUT, if they insist on giving that material away, perhaps they could at > > least take Ed's catalog numbers off the front. Leaving them on is just > > incredibly tacky. > > I agree with that, because they were identifiable as Ed's copies mainly. > > > See ya, Arnie > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Feb 26 17:42:15 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:42:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <20050227011520.67580.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050227011520.67580.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42212577.2000909@earthlink.net> Alan Bowen wrote in part >Then folks without puters on-line will go right on buying copies of copies from folks like Ed. Ed >will still be selling his reprints. Good point Alan. Still waiting for Dolly on this one. :-)) Flame suit is on. Jeff Allen From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 26 18:04:08 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:04:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update In-Reply-To: <6f60251605022610312b669915@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050227020408.79757.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com> No Peter, The one on Oldengine is a scan of a reprint by Jean Metcalf. (I hope I spelled that right.) 8>)) Jean (whoever that is,,,) must have done am lot of reprints. That was the name on the first copy, of a copy, of a copy,,,,,,,, of the Ottawa Encyclopedia that was given to me. It had been recopied so many times the quality was very poor. That is what prompted me to buy an orginal and make B&W copies and nice color reprints to sell. Now I have several (5 or 6) originals. The one on Oldengine.org also seems to be more for my 1-1/2HP Headless Z not the Z styled D. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Alan Bowen rustaholic777 at yahoo.com --- Listerdiesel wrote: > On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:00:44 -0700, Richard Strobel > wrote: > > Ah, Ha..here's the little devil: > > http://www.old-engine.com/fmzd.htm > > > > RickinMt. > > The one on Oldengine is a 16-page scan of an original manual, with all > the parts list, settings and valve timing etc etc. Is that what you > wanted? I don't know if it is specific to the models you quoted, it is > for a Z model. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Feb 26 18:18:03 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:18:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <42212577.2000909@earthlink.net> References: <20050227011520.67580.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com> <42212577.2000909@earthlink.net> Message-ID: You don't look nearly as good in a flame suit as Dolly does. On Feb 26, 2005, at 8:42 PM, Jeff Allen wrote: > Good point Alan. Still waiting for Dolly on this one. :-)) Flame suit > is on. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From FRM8198 at aol.com Sat Feb 26 18:29:19 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:29:19 EST Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update Message-ID: In a message dated 02/26/2005 10:23:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: http://www.old-engine.com/fmzd.htm Hi List, Thanks to everyone who has responsed to my help plea. By using this information from this site, I was able to determine how to time the camshaft to the crankshaft. Lots of data in this site for the Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock). This is going to be very helpful in getting this engine running again. The parts layout is great in indentifying replacement items. I was able to relate the parts in this site to the Hit & Miss on line catalog parts. Sure was a time saver for me when I ordered the parts. 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PCWorld home page has links to all kinds of this stuff: http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/index/0,00.asp Downloads, help forums, information: http://www.computertalkwithtab.com/ they tested and recommend the new free microsoft anti spyware program. A bunch of information, links ratings: http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm Some anti spyware programs: Adaware SE personal AdwareAway http://www.adwareaway.com/ This one is a shareware that took out the about:blank hijack that I got. I still have things to fix, but IE doesn't crash anymore... CWShredder Hijackthis KRC Hijack This Analyzer About Buster hsremove ssfsetup This one is a subscription service, but the free trial version found a few things. reglite Fancier registry editor. I have joined : http://www.techsupportforum.com They are helping me fix the part of the hijack that made it so I can't access the trusted sites thingy in IE. They walked me through a process to get rid of some of the remaining spywares and hijacks that the other things listed above didn't get. Mostly using Spybot S&D. After they confirmed that my system was clean, they had me upgrade IE, and that fixed the sites button. I am running Firefox, but need IE for a couple of sites. Also, the bleeping thing should work. Also, set all the security stuff to high, then when a site complains, go to trusted sites and add it. Dave David Tief. N1WWY Visit our web page at: http://users.abac.com/dandatief Fight Spam: http://www.hostedscripts.com/scripts/antispam.html From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat Feb 26 23:25:02 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 07:25:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question References: <20050227011520.67580.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <422175CE.665D2A7C@insulate.co.uk> Did someone call? Flame Mistress at your service. Those of us who've done it know that to copy a manual takes a fair amount of time and effort. It's very generous of people who've done it to give access to that material to others who either can't get a copy of an original or don't want it for the "old paper" value, but rather for the material contained within it. I think we have to put Paul Evans alongside Hit 'n Miss, Lee Pederson etc. They do a lot for the hobby, and it really is unfair to copy and resell what they've done, or even copy and reissue. You can't say "well it's for sale on eBay, so it must be okay" because eBay does nothing to protect copyright. Then again, we're not talking copyright here, but abuse of someone's efforts. So, I think my stand on this would be that if a manual is obviously from one of the major literature sellers (and with the Internal Fire literature, people would just have to be honest), couldn't the manuals on Oldengine.org be replaced with a link to the original seller, then at least those looking for a particular piece of literature would be sent in the right direction? This manual is available from ... etc. I don't think it's an issue worth starting a flame war over. It's all about personal ethics, because none of this stuff is copyrighted anyway. If you feel that Starbolt etc DON'T have any rights to the material once they've sold it, then YOU copy it and put it up on YOUR website. Those who feel that's wrong, don't download it. Scan your original manuals (not sold within the old engine trade) and put them up on the web, then buy your other manuals from the sellers. That way, everyone is happy. OK, now it's a lovely frosty morning and I'm going to take my coffee outside and sit in the hot tub. Anyone know if Nomex is waterproof?? Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 27 00:13:04 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:13:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605022700131b6fb709@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:00:35 -0500, Dave Rotigel wrote: > No Arnie, The reprint IS NOT Ed's. he sold it to someone. At that point > ownership traded hands. What the new owner does with the reprint is HIS > alone to decide. What "right" do you have to tell the new owner what he can > (or can not do) ethically with the material he bought and paid for? > Dave Gee, Dave, you must have some lawyer blood in you somewhere....:-)) > PS, With this "ethical" talk one would think that you want to be elected > Pope as soon as the sitting one becomes room temperature! Arnie for Pope??? That WOULD be novel ! but I feel that his liking for Real Ale would preclude his elevation to the Papacy.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 27 00:16:49 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:16:49 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update In-Reply-To: <20050227020408.79757.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6f60251605022610312b669915@mail.gmail.com> <20050227020408.79757.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050227001663c47cad@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:04:08 -0800 (PST), Alan Bowen wrote: > No Peter, > The one on Oldengine is a scan of a reprint by Jean Metcalf. (I hope I spelled that right.) 8>)) > > Jean (whoever that is,,,) must have done am lot of reprints. That was the name on the first copy, > of a copy, of a copy,,,,,,,, of the Ottawa Encyclopedia that was given to me. It had been > recopied so many times the quality was very poor. That is what prompted me to buy an orginal and > make B&W copies and nice color reprints to sell. Now I have several (5 or 6) originals. > > The one on Oldengine.org also seems to be more for my 1-1/2HP Headless Z not the Z styled D. > Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. > > Alan Bowen rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Yes, I got the wording slightly askew there ! What I meant to say was that the one link didn't have all the pages as far as I could see, and some of the information was retyped, while the Oldengine manual was the whole of THE original manual, NOT original as in a fresh copy. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 27 00:37:26 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:37:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <422175CE.665D2A7C@insulate.co.uk> References: <20050227011520.67580.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com> <422175CE.665D2A7C@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <6f60251605022700377657df7a@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 07:25:02 +0000, Jim French wrote: > Did someone call? > Flame Mistress at your service. > OK, now it's a lovely frosty morning and I'm going to take my coffee outside and >sit in the hot tub. > > Anyone know if Nomex is waterproof?? > > Dolly Hi Helen: Nice to hear from you after a long absence... You have raised another issue which I did want to bring up, but was a bit involved with the other thread, that of copying web-based material and then trying to sell it on ebay or whatever. Internal Fire has been the victim of this a few times now, and I think this has retarded efforts to make material available on the web. Most of us would be happy to offer decent copies of material for people to use for their own purposes, but not for those people to rush out and make up a CD to sell on ebay. There are plenty of those sort of people around as Paul has found out. We spend a lot of time and money buying original copies, scanning them and then cleaning them up so they can be printed out by users for their own use, but the lack of any decent means of protecting them from the unscrupulous has so far stopped us putting them up for the engine guys to use. That is now being addressed by two companies, and Digimarc are also now apparently able to offer protection against right-clicking on an image and saving it, so we may see the end of this particular problem. I don't care how many times someone downloads images of manuals that we have prepared and put on our web site, I just object to them taking them away and trying to make money out of them. Adobe also are working on better protection in Acrobat, and a combination of the two may see us able to release a lot more information on the website. We do it for fun, there is no return for us, other than the occasional 'thank you' which is always nice to hear, so it would be nice to be able to expand the information base. Unfortunately, we suffer like Paul with complete sections of our website being copied and used elsewhere, so we have spent more time this past year or so looking for better security before we put more stuff up. Not too frosty here, but we had snow last night when we were up the field feeding the nags... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Feb 27 02:11:39 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 05:11:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <6f60251605022700131b6fb709@mail.gmail.com> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net> <6f60251605022700131b6fb709@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050227050430.0ead9050@mail.alltel.net> At 03:13 AM 2/27/2005, you wrote: >On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:00:35 -0500, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > No Arnie, The reprint IS NOT Ed's. he sold it to someone. At that point > > ownership traded hands. What the new owner does with the reprint is HIS > > alone to decide. > >Gee, Dave, you must have some lawyer blood in you somewhere....:-)) >Peter No Peter, just a bit of common sense. Something which a few on the List (and keel in mind, IT'S ONLY A FEW!) seem to have lost! being what our society has become, I rather think that the copies will now be taken down--that's what we now do when a SMALL minority now bitches about something. Dave PS, I think we should censure Curt for making the piston pattern. I'm sure that he bought it from someone--or if not he, then someone did! (and after all, Ed sells them in order to put food on the table for his children. PPPS, Keep in mine this is for "the children!" PPPPS, I feel their pain--that's why I'll leaving for FL in 10 minutes! From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Feb 27 03:00:46 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:00:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FW: moffat-virtue Message-ID: <200502271100.j1RB0ZBg016824@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> If anyone can help Derek please reply to the address below. Patrick M Livingstone _____ From: DEREK MILLARD [mailto:del.m1 at btinternet.com] Subject: moffat-virtue hi my name is del I live in the uk I love to restore old engines I have some to at the mo I am restoring a moffat-virtue for my wife can you tell me where or how I can date this engine it runs well my wife fell in love with it its a 2. 1/4 hp sn 32727 runs at 1000 rpm i hope you can help me thank you Derek From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 27 03:13:43 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:13:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050227050430.0ead9050@mail.alltel.net> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net> <6f60251605022700131b6fb709@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050227050430.0ead9050@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605022703134795da18@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 05:11:39 -0500, Dave Rotigel wrote: > No Peter, just a bit of common sense. Something which a few on the List > (and keep in mind, IT'S ONLY A FEW!) seem to have lost! being what our > society has become, I rather think that the copies will now be taken > down--that's what we now do when a SMALL minority now bitches about something. > Dave > PS, I think we should censure Curt for making the piston pattern. I'm sure > that he bought it from someone--or if not he, then someone did! (and after > all, Ed sells them in order to put food on the table for his children. > PPPS, Keep in mind this is for "the children!" > PPPPS, I feel their pain--that's why I'll leaving for FL in 10 minutes! We will be taking other action on the manuals front soon, watch this space. Have a safe trip! -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 27 11:23:53 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:23:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Secure Pictures and Manuals Message-ID: <6f60251605022711235703d25@mail.gmail.com> We have been trying out a few things today, and our friend Tim in California suggested that we use pdfFactoryPro from Fineprint.com. I have bought the programme to try out, and have put up a trial picture on the net to see what can be done with it, or not as the case may be. http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/venn4.pdf In theory, it should NOT be possible to edit/change/amend the picture, but I'd like you guys to try your best to see what you can come up with. It wasn't a particularly small image to start with, so dial-up guys may want to leave this one alone until we get a smaller one to play with. It isn't huge, just a bit bigger than normal! Let me have any comments on what you can see/do please. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Feb 27 12:02:58 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:02:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <6f60251605022711235703d25@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f60251605022711235703d25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42222772.9040301@earthlink.net> http://frapa.us/Ripped.jpg Listerdiesel wrote: >We have been trying out a few things today, and our friend Tim in >California suggested that we use pdfFactoryPro from Fineprint.com. > >I have bought the programme to try out, and have put up a trial >picture on the net to see what can be done with it, or not as the case >may be. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/venn4.pdf > >In theory, it should NOT be possible to edit/change/amend the picture, >but I'd like you guys to try your best to see what you can come up >with. It wasn't a particularly small image to start with, so dial-up >guys may want to leave this one alone until we get a smaller one to >play with. It isn't huge, just a bit bigger than normal! > >Let me have any comments on what you can see/do please. > >Peter > > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sun Feb 27 12:49:53 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 07:49:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Ballarat Swap Message-ID: A lot of the aussie sel members attended the swap ,i think most found a bargain or two. We got together on the friday night for a few refreshments and a good yarn.Kerry kept us entertained with a few jokes. Now only two weeks to go and we will do it all again at the National. Dave _________________________________________________________________ It's easy to send photos with Hotmail. Click here to find out how: http://www.imagine-msn.com/Hotmail/Post/Communicate/SendPhotos.aspx From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 27 14:02:09 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:02:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <6f60251605022711235703d25@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f60251605022711235703d25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605022714027494821d@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:23:53 +0000, Listerdiesel wrote: > We have been trying out a few things today, and our friend Tim in > California suggested that we use pdfFactoryPro from Fineprint.com. > > I have bought the programme to try out, and have put up a trial > picture on the net to see what can be done with it, or not as the case > may be. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/venn4.pdf > > In theory, it should NOT be possible to edit/change/amend the picture, > but I'd like you guys to try your best to see what you can come up > with. It wasn't a particularly small image to start with, so dial-up > guys may want to leave this one alone until we get a smaller one to > play with. It isn't huge, just a bit bigger than normal! > > Let me have any comments on what you can see/do please. > > Peter Well, that was an interesting experience!! The general consensus seems to be that the protection as advertised doesn't do what it should, and most folks have been able to easily get into the file and either change it or grab the image. I have emailed the company concerned to see if they have any answers and will report back as soon as I get a response. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bill at antique-engines.com Sun Feb 27 14:13:35 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:13:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <42222772.9040301@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200502272213.j1RMDcQ2073337@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> http://www.antique-engines.com/images/Image4.jpg Working on other hacks now............. Including modifying the PDF. If you can display it on my browser, I can hijack it. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 2:03 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Secure Pictures and Manuals http://frapa.us/Ripped.jpg Listerdiesel wrote: >We have been trying out a few things today, and our friend Tim in >California suggested that we use pdfFactoryPro from Fineprint.com. > >I have bought the programme to try out, and have put up a trial picture >on the net to see what can be done with it, or not as the case may be. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/venn4.pdf > >In theory, it should NOT be possible to edit/change/amend the picture, >but I'd like you guys to try your best to see what you can come up >with. It wasn't a particularly small image to start with, so dial-up >guys may want to leave this one alone until we get a smaller one to >play with. It isn't huge, just a bit bigger than normal! > >Let me have any comments on what you can see/do please. > >Peter > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rwenig at telus.net Sun Feb 27 14:28:45 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:28:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <42222772.9040301@earthlink.net> References: <6f60251605022711235703d25@mail.gmail.com> <42222772.9040301@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4222499D.50402@telus.net> Hello Guys, I had no trouble figuring out how Jeff came up with the jpg. :-8 Anyone can do the same thing if I can figure it out. Got the image on my desktop if you want to see it. Rupert Jeff Allen wrote: > http://frapa.us/Ripped.jpg > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Feb 27 14:35:18 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:35:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: References: <20050227011520.67580.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com> <42212577.2000909@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1109543718.42224b26be744@webmail.city-net.com> Hell John, NO ONE looks as good in that fitted Nomex as Dolly does!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting John Culp : > You don't look nearly as good in a flame suit as Dolly does. From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sun Feb 27 14:40:18 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:40:18 EST Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question Message-ID: <62.4fa4e29d.2f53a652@aol.com> Hi Arnie, Peter, Dave, Ron, Ken and all, Let's see. If I download a manual, then print it off and use it in the shop I have stolen the bread from the children of an old iron vendor, and that is considered a bad thing because the old iron vendor may go out of business thus depriving the hobby of a source of parts and copies of manuals. Of course, if I get far enough to download the manual, take it to the shop, and then, by using the downloaded manual, identify correctly the missing parts for my 1923 2 HP Gasper, I can then seek out a vendor and request exactly what I need. Are we really concerned that the lowered sales of copies of manuals will harm the vendors? I wonder. >From time to time I hear laments that we need more young folks in the hobby. It would seem to me that easy access via Internet would encourage young folks to learn more about the hobby. How does restricting access to copies of manuals affect the rate of infection of the young with old iron fever? I think restricting access will lessen interest in the hobby. Why do we care about availability of our old iron and related products? Well, the more available it is, the less the cost. Market value of our toys is related as much to rarity as to attractiveness. If that were not the case, the Maytag Twin would undoubtedly be among the highest priced engines extant. But, humor aside, we do hope our old iron will sell well at our estate auctions, and many of us use that argument with our spouses when mentioning the lust for another engine to put in the shed. If the posting of pictures of engines on web sites were the same as giving away real, three dimensional old engines, I would expect to hear the outcry from those who would see their shed contents losing value. But, copies of literature? I haven't seen that the availability of copies of literature has much effect on the prices of the originals. Some people lament the Lister and Petter clones becoming available. I suspect, if anything, interest in the originals has increased as a result of the clones coming out. The price of the clones seems to ebb and flow with the daily change in attitude of the Environmental Protection Agency. One day they are against them, the next, tolerant. My position on this whole thing is that copyrights should be honored. Beyond that, I can't see the vendors suffering any from the displaying of manuals on the Internet, and they might even have increased sales as a result of increased interest in the hobby. A nice balance might be made by adding a page to the old manuals that give contact information for today's vendors of parts, engines, and, of course, copies of manuals. Respectfully submitted, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri (home of the lonesome vertical magneto flywheel Maytag) From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Feb 27 14:40:33 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:40:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <6f60251605022700131b6fb709@mail.gmail.com> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net> <6f60251605022700131b6fb709@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1109544033.42224c61520c3@webmail.city-net.com> BLOODY HELL, the Pope doesn't drink real ale???? Guess I'll have to stick with the Neo-Druid Dead Puppy Cult!! See ya, Arnie Quoting Listerdiesel : > > PS, With this "ethical" talk one would think that you want to be elected > > Pope as soon as the sitting one becomes room temperature! > > Arnie for Pope??? That WOULD be novel ! but I feel that his liking > for Real Ale would preclude his elevation to the Papacy.... From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Feb 27 14:44:18 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:44:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <6f60251605022714027494821d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f60251605022711235703d25@mail.gmail.com> <6f60251605022714027494821d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42224D42.6070805@earthlink.net> Peter, I don't think you can prevent a screen capture. It would take on helluva code writer to do it, and if it was done for a PC.............. I would switch to the Mac and snag it. I have just decided I will share information that I have. I really don't care if people download it for their own use. As I said the last time this came up, if I see my stuff on e-bay I do have an option. Point the bidders to the free version on my web pages. That should kill the auction and provide me with some entertainment. :-)) Jeff Allen Listerdiesel wrote: >On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:23:53 +0000, Listerdiesel wrote: > > >>We have been trying out a few things today, and our friend Tim in >>California suggested that we use pdfFactoryPro from Fineprint.com. >> >>I have bought the programme to try out, and have put up a trial >>picture on the net to see what can be done with it, or not as the case >>may be. >> >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/venn4.pdf >> >>In theory, it should NOT be possible to edit/change/amend the picture, >>but I'd like you guys to try your best to see what you can come up >>with. It wasn't a particularly small image to start with, so dial-up >>guys may want to leave this one alone until we get a smaller one to >>play with. It isn't huge, just a bit bigger than normal! >> >>Let me have any comments on what you can see/do please. >> >>Peter >> >> > >Well, that was an interesting experience!! > >The general consensus seems to be that the protection as advertised >doesn't do what it should, and most folks have been able to easily get >into the file and either change it or grab the image. > >I have emailed the company concerned to see if they have any answers >and will report back as soon as I get a response. > >Peter > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Feb 27 15:59:11 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:59:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <62.4fa4e29d.2f53a652@aol.com> References: <62.4fa4e29d.2f53a652@aol.com> Message-ID: <32f792f8836e3fbc9f65655b90388989@chartertn.net> On Feb 27, 2005, at 5:40 PM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > Some > people lament the Lister and Petter clones becoming available. I > suspect, if > anything, interest in the originals has increased as a result of the > clones > coming out. Lots of you have seen that shiny nickel plated guitar I like to play. It's another clone, a Chinese made copy of an old National guitar from the 1920s. (Johnson brand.) There's a company in California today named National Resophonic making high quality copies of them, too. Strictly speaking they're another clone-maker with no connection to the old National Musical Instrument Company, but having the old National trademark and name and being located in America they've come to be regarded as "The Real Thing." Anyway, just yesterday I saw a post discussing this issue. Seems that in a magazine interview the founder of the current National company said that the cheap models from China had really boosted their business. Lots more folks have come to notice and try them out, and then they want a "real National." I just wish the Indians (or Chinese) were cloning more old engine types than they are! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Feb 27 18:16:06 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:16:06 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <6f60251605022714027494821d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200502280216.j1S2G9sj065556@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > I have emailed the company concerned to see if they have any answers > and will report back as soon as I get a response. Dude, If you come up with a scheme for preventing people from stealing your electronic work, there is a lucrative career in store for you in the motion picture or music recording industry. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 28 00:15:06 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:15:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <200502280216.j1S2G9sj065556@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <6f60251605022714027494821d@mail.gmail.com> <200502280216.j1S2G9sj065556@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050228001549e98c83@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:16:06 -0800, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > I have emailed the company concerned to see if they have any answers > > and will report back as soon as I get a response. > > Dude, > If you come up with a scheme for preventing people from stealing your electronic > work, there is a lucrative career in store for you in the motion picture or > music recording industry. Hi Rob: Can't really see it happening, but worth the effort to see what we CAN do at least. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 28 00:21:07 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:21:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <42224D42.6070805@earthlink.net> References: <6f60251605022711235703d25@mail.gmail.com> <6f60251605022714027494821d@mail.gmail.com> <42224D42.6070805@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6f602516050228002169b66b9a@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:44:18 -0700, Jeff Allen wrote: > Peter, > > I don't think you can prevent a screen capture. It would take on helluva > code writer to do it, and if it was done for a PC.............. > > I would switch to the Mac and snag it. > > I have just decided I will share information that I have. I really don't > care if people download it for their own use. As I said the last time > this came up, if I see my stuff on e-bay I do have an option. Point the > bidders to the free version on my web pages. That should kill the > auction and provide me with some entertainment. :-)) > > Jeff Allen Hi Jeff: I am all for people downloading for their OWN use, it's those that go on from there and start to market the stuff that I am after stopping. We have something like 10,000 pages of stuff here including the old UK Patents going back to the 1800's that I would like to put up online, but as soon as the first pages became available they were pirated almost within hours of appearing, and that was without me even mentioning the fact that they were there! I know that Paul Evans tried password protecting the access, but that becomes an administrative nightmare and takes up time, so I think he dropped it eventually. I don't want to get into a commercial vending operation, this is supposed to be a hobby, I am just trying to find a way that works for us all. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Feb 28 04:25:34 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:25:34 +0800 Subject: [SEL] makes the work half as easy! Message-ID: <000901c51d90$9e8ffda0$5fcc3dca@ogborneuah38i3> I ran out of Trefalax today whist cutting BSP threads so i went and bought a new lot ...very expensive nowdays . I can remember that in the shop where i was an apprentice we had a ''New Chum''[ in those days we called those recently arrived from the UK by that term ...as well as Poms. ] this guy certainly knew his machining and he introduced us to a cutting compound that he made up ,Sulphur and grease...it worked very well . What is the secret with Sulphur? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From plb at iinet.net.au Mon Feb 28 05:35:09 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:35:09 +0800 Subject: [SEL] makes the work half as easy! References: 167581712 Message-ID: <010001c51d9a$526fb9b0$0201010a@Portable> Well they use sulpher in free cutting steels. maybe thats a clue,maybe its right off track! I have a recipe for a cutting fluid thats apparently the bees knees but I have yet to try it. its made up of 1 part turpentine, 2 parts white spirits and 3 parts olive oil. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 8:25 PM Subject: [SEL] makes the work half as easy! >I ran out of Trefalax today whist cutting BSP threads so i went and bought >a new lot ...very expensive nowdays . I can remember that in the shop where >i was an apprentice we had a ''New Chum''[ in those days we called those >recently arrived from the UK by that term ...as well as Poms. ] this guy >certainly knew his machining and he introduced us to a cutting compound >that he made up ,Sulphur and grease...it worked very well . What is the >secret with Sulphur? > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plb at iinet.net.au Mon Feb 28 06:09:05 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:09:05 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Cooper KA References: 167581712 Message-ID: <010301c51d9f$0ff0c4d0$0201010a@Portable> I am currently working on a little Cooper KA,made in the USA by Stover I believe. I have to date sleeved the pitted bore and got ot all sand blasted and clean. One of the next jobs is to start getting things painted for re assemble. Can anyone tell me what green Cooper used? Ray Freeman _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldengin at udata.com Mon Feb 28 16:44:05 2005 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:44:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <42224D42.6070805@earthlink.net> References: <6f60251605022711235703d25@mail.gmail.com> <6f60251605022714027494821d@mail.gmail.com> <42224D42.6070805@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4223BAD5.6020408@udata.com> Jeff Allen wrote: > > > I have just decided I will share information that I have. I really > don't care if people download it for their own use. As I said the last > time this came up, if I see my stuff on e-bay I do have an option. > Point the bidders to the free version on my web pages. That should > kill the auction and provide me with some entertainment. :-)) > Gday Most of you who know me know that my junk has no papers. It ain't even close to the heintz variety. BUT with those thoughts out here is a suggestion........ With the printed items from vendors that are known to us could we not add a link to there sites or give snail addys so the honest could know where to go and obtain a copy for themselves, along with the catalog that any of them will gladly furnish with any order? I have received e-mails asking for assistance on paper, rings, gaskets, etc....... and I have no problem in steering someone in the right direction, we could maybe help the hobby out with mentions to where to go and look for the information they want answered. Is this being a redneck? or is it trying to help someone along the way? I still keep this a HOBBY and have sent many items to those needing them ( side note I still have not sent your item Jim Yost) A fellow from Mt. Joy Pa. wrote me asking for paper and I sent him everything I had. Now did I do wrong? ps at no charge of course. pss I have links to vendors on my web page, does anyone else? psss I would also link to anyone asking for it, if I could ever figure that $%%^^&*&^^^&&* thing out! -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From oldengin at udata.com Mon Feb 28 17:01:33 2005 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:01:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] GERMANY OT In-Reply-To: <010001c51d9a$526fb9b0$0201010a@Portable> References: 167581712 <010001c51d9a$526fb9b0$0201010a@Portable> Message-ID: <4223BEED.4000604@udata.com> Can anyone decipher German for me? I can't even do this with english! -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Feb 28 17:32:48 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:32:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <6f602516050228002169b66b9a@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f60251605022711235703d25@mail.gmail.com> <6f60251605022714027494821d@mail.gmail.com> <42224D42.6070805@earthlink.net> <6f602516050228002169b66b9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4223C640.3090604@earthlink.net> Peter, I hate to say it, but I think you are destined to failure on this. I can rip a dual layer 7.5 Gig commercial movie, and burn it to my single layer DVD. In the process I strip all copy protection and region codes. The program I use is free. If I can beat that copy protection, I doubt we will ever come up with anything that will prevent the dishonest from using our data as they wish. Jerry probably has the best solution. >What I plan on doing is to add the words "Downloaded free from >www.oldengine.org - not for resale" on to every page as well as >superimposing it onto all illustrations (of course, in such a way that it >does not cover any important part of the illustration). > It won't prevent copies, but will make them work for their money. Most thiefs are lazy, so this should work to some extent. I'll link to an example in a bit, and you guys can play with cleanup. Jeff Listerdiesel wrote: >On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:44:18 -0700, Jeff Allen wrote: > > >>Peter, >> >>I don't think you can prevent a screen capture. It would take on helluva >>code writer to do it, and if it was done for a PC.............. >> >>I would switch to the Mac and snag it. >> >>I have just decided I will share information that I have. I really don't >>care if people download it for their own use. As I said the last time >>this came up, if I see my stuff on e-bay I do have an option. Point the >>bidders to the free version on my web pages. That should kill the >>auction and provide me with some entertainment. :-)) >> >>Jeff Allen >> >> > >Hi Jeff: > >I am all for people downloading for their OWN use, it's those that go >on from there and start to market the stuff that I am after stopping. > >We have something like 10,000 pages of stuff here including the old UK >Patents going back to the 1800's that I would like to put up online, >but as soon as the first pages became available they were pirated >almost within hours of appearing, and that was without me even >mentioning the fact that they were there! > >I know that Paul Evans tried password protecting the access, but that >becomes an administrative nightmare and takes up time, so I think he >dropped it eventually. > >I don't want to get into a commercial vending operation, this is >supposed to be a hobby, I am just trying to find a way that works for >us all. > >Peter > > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Feb 28 18:17:30 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:17:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <4223C640.3090604@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200503010217.j212HvHT075827@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Jeff is right. I have a whole collection of password hacking applications, ways to bypass Microsoft office and Windows installation protection schemes, as well as for several other applications, abilities to copy DVDs and CDs, etc. Not that I actually do, but it's my hobby to see what I can hack or get into. It's also part of my job to know what can be done and how easily. I'm on a security team at work. Part of the way to keep ahead in security is to know the foe - you have to play devil's advocate. PDFs are protected only when the displaying application agrees to not let you print, save etc - what if you had a viewer that simply ignored that plea inside the PDF? Well, such apps are free for the downloading, meaning I can display and print any PDF - even with the printing disabled. There are also hacking apps that break passwords in PDFs - I have a couple of those as well. I'm with Jeff and Jerry............. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 7:33 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals Peter, I hate to say it, but I think you are destined to failure on this. I can rip a dual layer 7.5 Gig commercial movie, and burn it to my single layer DVD. In the process I strip all copy protection and region codes. The program I use is free. If I can beat that copy protection, I doubt we will ever come up with anything that will prevent the dishonest from using our data as they wish. Jerry probably has the best solution. >What I plan on doing is to add the words "Downloaded free from >www.oldengine.org - not for resale" on to every page as well as >superimposing it onto all illustrations (of course, in such a way that >it does not cover any important part of the illustration). > It won't prevent copies, but will make them work for their money. Most thiefs are lazy, so this should work to some extent. I'll link to an example in a bit, and you guys can play with cleanup. Jeff Listerdiesel wrote: >On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:44:18 -0700, Jeff Allen wrote: > > >>Peter, >> >>I don't think you can prevent a screen capture. It would take on >>helluva code writer to do it, and if it was done for a PC.............. >> >>I would switch to the Mac and snag it. >> >>I have just decided I will share information that I have. I really >>don't care if people download it for their own use. As I said the last >>time this came up, if I see my stuff on e-bay I do have an option. >>Point the bidders to the free version on my web pages. That should >>kill the auction and provide me with some entertainment. :-)) >> >>Jeff Allen >> >> > >Hi Jeff: > >I am all for people downloading for their OWN use, it's those that go >on from there and start to market the stuff that I am after stopping. > >We have something like 10,000 pages of stuff here including the old UK >Patents going back to the 1800's that I would like to put up online, >but as soon as the first pages became available they were pirated >almost within hours of appearing, and that was without me even >mentioning the fact that they were there! > >I know that Paul Evans tried password protecting the access, but that >becomes an administrative nightmare and takes up time, so I think he >dropped it eventually. > >I don't want to get into a commercial vending operation, this is >supposed to be a hobby, I am just trying to find a way that works for >us all. > >Peter > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Mon Feb 28 18:44:14 2005 From: AntiqueEngineB at aol.com (AntiqueEngineB at aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:44:14 EST Subject: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals Message-ID: <66.51df1e59.2f5530fe@aol.com> By the looksa of it nobody on this sel list has any old iron or engines to talk aboutso i'llgo over to the smokestak where everbody else is .Maybe some day it will get back to old iron like it was. _antiqueengineb at aol.com_ (mailto:antiqueengineb at aol.com) Bob From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Feb 28 19:19:00 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:19:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT, but funny Message-ID: <4223DF24.4090006@earthlink.net> Hi all, Microsoft's new anti spyware seems to be quite effective. http://www.bbspot.com/News/2005/01/microsoft_antispyware.html Jeff From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Feb 28 20:29:57 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:29:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <200503010217.j212HvHT075827@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200503010217.j212HvHT075827@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <4223EFC5.5030703@earthlink.net> Hi all, I cleaned this up a bit, but here are a couple examples. First one is text on a picture. http://frapa.us/Genny3.jpg It that doesn't work, this will do the trick. :-) http://frapa.us/Ripped.jpg It's not hard to do, and offers about the best protection we can have. Go for it and remove what I have added. Not an easy task. Jeff Bill Dickerson wrote: >Jeff is right. I have a whole collection of password hacking applications, >ways to bypass Microsoft office and Windows installation protection schemes, >as well as for several other applications, abilities to copy DVDs and CDs, >etc. Not that I actually do, but it's my hobby to see what I can hack or get >into. >It's also part of my job to know what can be done and how easily. I'm on a >security team at work. >Part of the way to keep ahead in security is to know the foe - you have to >play devil's advocate. > >PDFs are protected only when the displaying application agrees to not let >you print, save etc - what if you had a viewer that simply ignored that plea >inside the PDF? Well, such apps are free for the downloading, meaning I can >display and print any PDF - even with the printing disabled. >There are also hacking apps that break passwords in PDFs - I have a couple >of those as well. > >I'm with Jeff and Jerry............. > >Bill > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen >Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 7:33 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals > >Peter, > >I hate to say it, but I think you are destined to failure on this. I can rip >a dual layer 7.5 Gig commercial movie, and burn it to my single layer DVD. >In the process I strip all copy protection and region codes. >The program I use is free. If I can beat that copy protection, I doubt we >will ever come up with anything that will prevent the dishonest from using >our data as they wish. > >Jerry probably has the best solution. > > > >>What I plan on doing is to add the words "Downloaded free from >>www.oldengine.org - not for resale" on to every page as well as >>superimposing it onto all illustrations (of course, in such a way that >>it does not cover any important part of the illustration). >> >> >> >It won't prevent copies, but will make them work for their money. Most >thiefs are lazy, so this should work to some extent. I'll link to an example >in a bit, and you guys can play with cleanup. > >Jeff > > > >Listerdiesel wrote: > > > >>On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:44:18 -0700, Jeff Allen >> >> >wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >>>Peter, >>> >>>I don't think you can prevent a screen capture. It would take on >>>helluva code writer to do it, and if it was done for a PC.............. >>> >>>I would switch to the Mac and snag it. >>> >>>I have just decided I will share information that I have. I really >>>don't care if people download it for their own use. As I said the last >>>time this came up, if I see my stuff on e-bay I do have an option. >>>Point the bidders to the free version on my web pages. That should >>>kill the auction and provide me with some entertainment. :-)) >>> >>>Jeff Allen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Hi Jeff: >> >>I am all for people downloading for their OWN use, it's those that go >>on from there and start to market the stuff that I am after stopping. >> >>We have something like 10,000 pages of stuff here including the old UK >>Patents going back to the 1800's that I would like to put up online, >>but as soon as the first pages became available they were pirated >>almost within hours of appearing, and that was without me even >>mentioning the fact that they were there! >> >>I know that Paul Evans tried password protecting the access, but that >>becomes an administrative nightmare and takes up time, so I think he >>dropped it eventually. >> >>I don't want to get into a commercial vending operation, this is >>supposed to be a hobby, I am just trying to find a way that works for >>us all. >> >>Peter >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Feb 28 21:00:27 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 00:00:27 EST Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update Message-ID: Hi List, For the last two days, I have been doing a "dry run" in reassembling the Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) as the replacement parts are not here yet. This reassembling activity has been an eye opener for me. The repIacement crankshaft gear seems to mesh OK with the camshaft gear. The rod bearing seems to match with the crankshaft journal. The valve clearances have been set using shim stock. With the crankshaft, camshaft, connecting rod, and piston in place, I am able to turn the engine over and nothing is binding. I even found the timing magneto mark which I couldn't find other day. The next thing that has to be done is to dynamically check out the magneto on the bench. The oil dip stick also has to be replaced as the original one was deteriorated due to standing water in the crankcase. Hopefully, I will be ready to install the replacement parts when they arrive. After governor spring and throttle shaft spring arrive and are installed, I'll be able to adjust the governor to throttle butterfly linkage. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 28 23:15:46 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 07:15:46 +0000 Subject: [SEL] GERMANY OT In-Reply-To: <4223BEED.4000604@udata.com> References: <010001c51d9a$526fb9b0$0201010a@Portable> <4223BEED.4000604@udata.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605022823155f92888d@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:01:33 -0500, Leroy C. wrote: > Can anyone decipher German for me? I can't even do this with english! > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark Go here, Leroy, this is a free service and works quite well for basic languages: http://world.altavista.com/ Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 28 23:17:25 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 07:17:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Radial Diesels Message-ID: <6f6025160502282317dc5d16b@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone know if any of these large radials are still in service or preserved? I had an enquiry from a guy in Washington State asking about them. They made these engines in Gas or Diesel IIRC. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From guitronics at comcast.net Mon Feb 28 23:33:43 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 02:33:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <4223EFC5.5030703@earthlink.net> References: <200503010217.j212HvHT075827@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <4223EFC5.5030703@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42241AD7.9010804@comcast.net> Wow! That "Ripped" JPEG is revealing. The guy in front of the engine really looks as if he's "Ripped"! What a buzz!Hahaha Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > I cleaned this up a bit, but here are a couple examples. First one is > text on a picture. > > http://frapa.us/Genny3.jpg > > It that doesn't work, this will do the trick. :-) > > http://frapa.us/Ripped.jpg > > It's not hard to do, and offers about the best protection we can have. > Go for it and remove what I have added. Not an easy task. > > Jeff > > Bill Dickerson wrote: > >> Jeff is right. I have a whole collection of password hacking >> applications, >> ways to bypass Microsoft office and Windows installation protection >> schemes, >> as well as for several other applications, abilities to copy DVDs and >> CDs, >> etc. Not that I actually do, but it's my hobby to see what I can hack >> or get >> into. >> It's also part of my job to know what can be done and how easily. I'm >> on a >> security team at work. >> Part of the way to keep ahead in security is to know the foe - you >> have to >> play devil's advocate. >> >> PDFs are protected only when the displaying application agrees to not >> let >> you print, save etc - what if you had a viewer that simply ignored >> that plea >> inside the PDF? Well, such apps are free for the downloading, meaning >> I can >> display and print any PDF - even with the printing disabled. >> There are also hacking apps that break passwords in PDFs - I have a >> couple >> of those as well. >> >> I'm with Jeff and Jerry............. >> >> Bill >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen >> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 7:33 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals >> >> Peter, >> >> I hate to say it, but I think you are destined to failure on this. I >> can rip >> a dual layer 7.5 Gig commercial movie, and burn it to my single layer >> DVD. >> In the process I strip all copy protection and region codes. The >> program I use is free. If I can beat that copy protection, I doubt we >> will ever come up with anything that will prevent the dishonest from >> using >> our data as they wish. >> >> Jerry probably has the best solution. >> >> >> >>> What I plan on doing is to add the words "Downloaded free from >>> www.oldengine.org - not for resale" on to every page as well as >>> superimposing it onto all illustrations (of course, in such a way >>> that it does not cover any important part of the illustration). >>> >>> >> >> It won't prevent copies, but will make them work for their money. Most >> thiefs are lazy, so this should work to some extent. I'll link to an >> example >> in a bit, and you guys can play with cleanup. >> >> Jeff >> >> >> >> Listerdiesel wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:44:18 -0700, Jeff Allen >>> >>> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Peter, >>>> >>>> I don't think you can prevent a screen capture. It would take on >>>> helluva code writer to do it, and if it was done for a >>>> PC.............. >>>> >>>> I would switch to the Mac and snag it. >>>> >>>> I have just decided I will share information that I have. I really >>>> don't care if people download it for their own use. As I said the >>>> last time this came up, if I see my stuff on e-bay I do have an >>>> option. Point the bidders to the free version on my web pages. That >>>> should kill the auction and provide me with some entertainment. :-)) >>>> >>>> Jeff Allen >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Hi Jeff: >>> >>> I am all for people downloading for their OWN use, it's those that >>> go on from there and start to market the stuff that I am after >>> stopping. >>> >>> We have something like 10,000 pages of stuff here including the old >>> UK Patents going back to the 1800's that I would like to put up >>> online, but as soon as the first pages became available they were >>> pirated almost within hours of appearing, and that was without me >>> even mentioning the fact that they were there! >>> >>> I know that Paul Evans tried password protecting the access, but >>> that becomes an administrative nightmare and takes up time, so I >>> think he dropped it eventually. >>> >>> I don't want to get into a commercial vending operation, this is >>> supposed to be a hobby, I am just trying to find a way that works >>> for us all. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 1 04:12:30 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:12:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant Update - Reason for Concern! Message-ID: <000f01c50857$4faafcb0$230110ac@PAUL> Folks here is the latest update on Charlie, I wish it was better news. Charlie wants all who will to continue to pray for him as he goes through this difficult time. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" To: Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 10:36 PM Subject: Update as of 9 PM > Late === but this is some information from his daughter----- > > " They were unable to remove the leads with laser. After being in his > body > for more than 30 years, the leads were completely wrapped with tissue and > to > continue to work with the laser would cause damage. They described the > leads as a rock. > > Tomorrow Dr. Mansaur is going to have a discussion with the surgeon who > is > to do the valve replacements so we will have more information. Mansaur > wants to schedule the valve surgery within the week, since there is now > no > reason to wait. > > They will take the infected leads out during his valve surgery, but it > won't > be with laser. The infection is mild...it is under control because of > all > the antibiotics he has been receiving. " (Gail) > > We will be going over to his home in Jay in the morning and not back > here till later Wednesday. > > Please continue to pray. > Sister Lois > From jnyost at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 04:38:04 2005 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 04:38:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY.......... In-Reply-To: <200502010336.j113aani067386@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <20050201123804.98201.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com> Bill, Both are correct. I do not think you could win or loose on trying to see who is right or wrong. Engineers sometime refer it as taper but us common folk say thread. Jim --- Bill Dickerson wrote: > > Need word from experts - not "opinions" so I can > avoid a pissing match with > someone. > > NPT - I've been told national pipe thread. > I'm BEING told, no, it's national pipe taper > > I showed a fellow a site by Kohler, the plumbing > fixture folks, that states > national pipe thread, he came backwith an engineers > toolbox site that says > national pipe taper. > > If I'm wrong, I want to know so I can go back and > tell him he's > right......... > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From asouth at strato.net Tue Feb 1 04:45:30 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:45:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY.......... References: <200502010336.j113aani067386@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <00f701c5085b$eada5330$9300a8c0@Arthur> Bill, I've always been told NPT is National Pipe Thread. This taper stuff is new to me. I can't offer any proof, but will be very interested to know the truth myself. Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 10:36 PM Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY.......... > > Need word from experts - not "opinions" so I can avoid a pissing match with > someone. > > NPT - I've been told national pipe thread. > I'm BEING told, no, it's national pipe taper > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Feb 1 05:04:03 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:04:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave) In-Reply-To: <00ae01c507cc$19cf3560$aaf93e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <1107027724.41fbe70ca8470@webmail.city-net.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050129172502.10d45760@mail.alltel.net><41FC8410.40108@comcast.net> <003e01c50709$c38fabc0$220d1bd3@reg> <00ae01c507cc$19cf3560$aaf93e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <41FF7E43.2090704@imc-group.com> Jim, From my TV and electronics repair days I have a high voltage tester for checking picture tube voltages. Wonder if that would be a sufficient tool? I'll try to dig it out and see what the buzz coil voltages are if no one already knows the answer. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. I might even dig out the load of brand new in the box vacuum tubes.....since there seems to be so much interest in vacuum tubes these days..... Jim and Diane wrote: >Has anybody tested a good buzz coil and knows what voltage it puts out? > >Jim > >Jim and Diane Kirkes >Hemet, CA >jd.kirkes at verizon.net > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Tue Feb 1 05:54:08 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (diesel at easynet.co.uk) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:54:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY.......... In-Reply-To: <20050201123804.98201.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050201123804.98201.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1107266048.41ff8a00eee17@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Quoting James Yost : > Bill, > > Both are correct. I do not think you could win or > loose on trying to see who is right or wrong. > Engineers sometime refer it as taper but us common > folk say thread. > > Jim I'd say National Pipe Thread is the correct term, as the thread comes (as does the British Standard Pipe thread) in both taper and parallel forms. Both are listed in the SAE handbooks that we have. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel --------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 1 07:00:01 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:00:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 214mph with lodge plugs References: <015701c5079c$38c73880$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <006801c5086e$b4f35d80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Whoda thunk they could go that fast with PINK spark plugs? (You need some of them for your Sporty!) > John The flattie is preparing for theatre and thats a heck of an idea pink screw aparts on yer chop .......firestone poloniums ! I have them in 14 but no 18's Were the pink lodges radioactive too ? Chuck ? From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Feb 1 08:23:56 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:23:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] 214mph with lodge plugs In-Reply-To: <006801c5086e$b4f35d80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <015701c5079c$38c73880$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <006801c5086e$b4f35d80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <54722.165.206.180.118.1107275036.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Not from what I've seen in their literature and ads. I have a number of them in my office and so far, the cats seem fine, no glowing fur, etc. Bill > > >> Whoda thunk they could go that fast with PINK spark plugs? > (You need some of them for your Sporty!) >> John > > The flattie is preparing for theatre and thats a heck of an idea > pink screw aparts on yer chop .......firestone poloniums ! > I have them in 14 but no 18's > Were the pink lodges radioactive too ? > > Chuck ? > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 1 08:27:49 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:27:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O/T Power steering conversion Message-ID: Howdy all; Well he delivered my '69 Toyota Landcruiser yesterday. It has a 292 Chevrolet 6 cyl and looks good. (Does this make it a Toylet?). Anyway in this spoiled society we live in now, adding power steering is a must, especially after hooking a snowplow to it. Is the Saginaw steering box still the same way to go as it's been for many years? I've been on several websites that show the conversion, but thot I'd ask the list first. Thanks in anticipation! RickinMt. From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Feb 1 06:57:55 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:57:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT again - engine casting question...... In-Reply-To: <1107266048.41ff8a00eee17@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> References: <20050201123804.98201.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com> <1107266048.41ff8a00eee17@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Message-ID: <54173.165.206.180.118.1107269875.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Question about engines, but not antiques. IT's pretty well known that IH used some AMC engines in some of their vehicles, specifically the 401 AMC engine. AMC built their own engines and supplied them to Bricklin and IH for a time. (290, 343, 360, 390, 401) However, one fellow has happened across a 401 block that has "IH" cast on a transmission mounting ear on the back of the block. Does this mean that IH cast the block, OR, AMC cast the block FOR IH? Does any IH fan here know for sure? I'd expect that AMC cast their own blocks and probably cast IH into the blocks/engines they sold to IH but would like to know the facts. Bill From ottawa at pa.net Tue Feb 1 08:59:45 2005 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:59:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY........ References: <200502010336.j113aani067386@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <41FF0394.3080403@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <109801c5087f$7169e000$84f1cd97@HONDESKTOP> Page 1347 of 18th Edition of the Machinery's Handbook indicates that; NPT refers to it as "American National Standard Taper Pipe Thread". Which word do you want to drop? Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tommy Turner To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY........ Bill, I think possibly you're both right. Read the text below that I copied from a site. I think the "proper" name of NPT is "National Pipe Taper Thread" Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY NPT- National Pipe Taper Threads - ANSI B1.20.1 NPT pipe threads - dimensions according ANSI/ASME B1.20.1 Common American National Standard Pipe Taper Threads * NPT - National Pipe Taper Thread * FPT - female (internal) National Pipe Taper threads * MPT - male (external) National Pipe Taper threads * NPTF - Dryseal American National Standard Taper Pipe Thread (ANSI B1.20.3) For NPT threads a sealant compound or Teflon tape must be used for a leak-free seal. For NPTF no sealant is needed for a sealing. Characteristics of NPT (also known as ANSI/ASME B1.20.1 Pipe Threads, General Purpose): * tapered thread 1o 47' * truncation of roots and crests are flat * 60o thread angle * pitch is measured in threads per inch Bill Dickerson wrote: > >Need word from experts - not "opinions" so I can avoid a pissing match with >someone. > >NPT - I've been told national pipe thread. >I'm BEING told, no, it's national pipe taper > >I showed a fellow a site by Kohler, the plumbing fixture folks, that states >national pipe thread, he came backwith an engineers toolbox site that says >national pipe taper. > >If I'm wrong, I want to know so I can go back and tell him he's >right......... > >Bill > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 1 10:28:54 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:28:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Tuesday Morning update - Charlie Bryant Message-ID: <001f01c5088b$e57e6770$230110ac@PAUL> ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard R Allen To: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:13 AM Subject: Tuesday Morning update Good Morning, Paul, (Please delete any of this you wish before posting it.) Thanks for your message, Paul. I did read to him the one of yesterday when I called before he went to surgery .He's happy to hear from his friends Thanks for your needed prayers!! We will be leaving shortly to be with Evelyn- (90 miles from here) -sorry won't dare to mess with my brother's computer so will not be sending update tonight. (Sister Lois) His daughter (a nurse) in TX sent the following--- This morning at 615 AM EST, I phoned and was told he had been transferred to 8th floor-- Cardiac floor, ELLISON building-- ,same building. His nurse ( male gave me a good report. Here it is : 1/ Dad came back at PM EST to 8th floor 2/ He had been stable thru out the night regarding blood pressure and pulse. 3/ Surgeons were unable to take all the leads/ wires of left- sided pacemaker but took out pacemaker. 4/ He still has a turned-on, functioning) DEMAND pacemaker on the right side of his chest. DEMAND means that it is set for a certain rate (dad's case: 40 ). Then, IF his heart rate falls BELOW 40, the demand pacemaker will kick in and "charge" the heart, so to speak, so that his heart rate doesn't fall below 40 beats per minute. 5/ Right now there is, "NO Plan," said his male nurse. He went on to explain that the 3 docs-- infectious control female doc, the cardiologist and ELECTROcardiologist doc ( doc for pacemaker aspect of dad's condition) would get together today and discuss a plan---- Still intend to keep him on antibiotics BUT are talking about moving up the date of his valve( s) replacement surgery to FEB, instead of waiting till March 1st week . From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Tue Feb 1 10:25:09 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:25:09 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave) References: <1107027724.41fbe70ca8470@webmail.city-net.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050129172502.10d45760@mail.alltel.net><41FC8410.40108@comcast.net> <003e01c50709$c38fabc0$220d1bd3@reg><00ae01c507cc$19cf3560$aaf93e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <41FF7E43.2090704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001d01c50898$8093d3b0$0ad40304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Curt, I got across a buzz coil about two years ago and it really has a bite. I would guess around 5KV but that's strictly a guess, it would be interesting to know what it really is. Your picture tube tester ought to work fine, I think they are around 20KV. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave) > Jim, > From my TV and electronics repair days I have a high voltage tester for > checking picture tube voltages. Wonder if that would be a sufficient > tool? I'll try to dig it out and see what the buzz coil voltages are if > no one already knows the answer. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. I might even dig out the load of brand new in the box vacuum > tubes.....since there seems to be so much interest in vacuum tubes these > days..... > > > Jim and Diane wrote: > > >Has anybody tested a good buzz coil and knows what voltage it puts out? > > > >Jim > > > >Jim and Diane Kirkes > >Hemet, CA > >jd.kirkes at verizon.net > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From weolson at wiktel.com Tue Feb 1 15:55:50 2005 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:55:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY.......... References: <20050201123804.98201.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com> <1107266048.41ff8a00eee17@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Message-ID: <42001706.1040304@wiktel.com> Just to add some confusion to the thread, no pun intended, I'll add the following info: I am a licensed electrician and looking in the National Electrical Code book under IMC or Rigid conduit about threading pipe (conduit), it states the following. "Where conduit is threaded in the field, a standard cutting die with a taper of 1 in 16 (3/4 inch per foot) shall be used. Fine Print Note: See ANSI/ASME B.1.20..1-1983, Standard for Pipe Threads, General Purpose (Inch)." I don't know if this helps or hinders the ongoing diolog, but I give it for what it's worth. William Olson, Roosevelt, MN diesel at easynet.co.uk wrote: >Quoting James Yost : > >>Bill, >> >>Both are correct. I do not think you could win or >>loose on trying to see who is right or wrong. >>Engineers sometime refer it as taper but us common >>folk say thread. >> >>Jim >> > >I'd say National Pipe Thread is the correct term, as the thread comes (as does >the British Standard Pipe thread) in both taper and parallel forms. Both are >listed in the SAE handbooks that we have. > >Peter > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Feb 1 16:12:19 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:12:19 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave) In-Reply-To: <001d01c50898$8093d3b0$0ad40304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <200502020012.j120COQZ099085@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > I got across a buzz coil about two years ago and it really > has a bite. I would guess around 5KV but that's strictly > a guess, it would be interesting to know what it really is. > Your picture tube tester ought to work fine, I think they > are around 20KV. Hi Jim, My experiments were on older points/distrubutor type automobiles, but the basics will be the same. Actual numbers may differ. If you take your measurements in situ, you won't be reading the maximum potential output of the coil. As the coil fires, but before the spark occurs, the voltage rises sharply. Eventually the voltage rises to the point where the spark jumps between the electrodes. Beginning at this time, the voltage remains approximately contant. Flat line. About 8kv. In a low compression engine and a narrow sparkplug gap, your estimate of 5kv wouldn't be too far out of line. If you widen the plug gap, you'll read an increase in voltage, even though the coil itself has not changed. If you remove the high tension lead from the sparkplug and let it hang there, you'll see the voltage skyrocket. In an older car, you'd expect to see about 18kv-25kv. I've got no idea what you'd read on a buzzcoil, but considering the long spark they'll throw, I wouldn't be surprised if the voltage is considerably higher. Incidentally, it's not really a keen idea to pull the lead off the plug and then fire the magneto. The high voltage can destroy the old insulation in an original coil. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Tue Feb 1 16:25:33 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:25:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave) References: <1107027724.41fbe70ca8470@webmail.city-net.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050129172502.10d45760@mail.alltel.net><41FC8410.40108@comcast.net> <003e01c50709$c38fabc0$220d1bd3@reg><00ae01c507cc$19cf3560$aaf93e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm><41FF7E43.2090704@imc-group.com> <001d01c50898$8093d3b0$0ad40304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <012801c508bd$b688ffc0$7d601f40@ibm22761389857> I think as a rough guestimate you can figure about 15,000 volts per centimeter of spark in normal atmospheric air - 70 degrees and 50% humidity. It has been a while but that is what I remember. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 13:25 Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave) > Hi Curt, > > I got across a buzz coil about two years ago and it really has a bite. I > would guess around 5KV but that's strictly a guess, it would be interesting > to know what it really is. Your picture tube tester ought to work fine, I > think they are around 20KV. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:04 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave) > > > > Jim, > > From my TV and electronics repair days I have a high voltage tester for > > checking picture tube voltages. Wonder if that would be a sufficient > > tool? I'll try to dig it out and see what the buzz coil voltages are if > > no one already knows the answer. > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC > > P.S. I might even dig out the load of brand new in the box vacuum > > tubes.....since there seems to be so much interest in vacuum tubes these > > days..... > > > > > > Jim and Diane wrote: > > > > >Has anybody tested a good buzz coil and knows what voltage it puts out? > > > > > >Jim > > > > > >Jim and Diane Kirkes > > >Hemet, CA > > >jd.kirkes at verizon.net > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From l-d-holderman at kconline.com Tue Feb 1 17:33:31 2005 From: l-d-holderman at kconline.com (Larry Holderman) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:33:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing Message-ID: <004501c508c7$3865ffd0$c880f1d8@lholderman> I am working on a Accurate aka: A&E magneto off of a Mogul 1hp. The engine will start without any problems on a coil and battery and when you switch it over to the mag it will not run much at all. The ignitor has all new mica washers and adjusted and works fine. I have had the magnets charged with a large magneto charger and they have lots of pull. I have the armature out of the mag and all the collector brushes and the parts that they ride on are clean and in excellent shape. From what I have been told that it looks like I might have bad coil windings... My question is how do you check and armature and windings?? And if it is the windings who can do this kind of winding repair?? I have also been told that they are harder to rewind than other mags but I don't know this to be true. Thanks for any help Larry Holderman Warsaw, Indiana USA From jbcast at charter.net Tue Feb 1 17:41:58 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 1:41:58 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave) Message-ID: <3k789p$mlid9k@mxip11a.cluster1.charter.net> > > I think as a rough guestimate you can figure about 15,000 volts > per centimeter of spark in normal atmospheric air - 70 degrees and > 50% humidity. It has been a while but that is what I remember. > > Bob Willman I ran some buzz coils on my shop scope years ago, seams like they were 10 to 12kv. They give the impression of a hotter spark because when they're buzzing you can ionize the air and draw a long spark. Even though it's firing a 3/4" gap, it's still only firing 12kv. If you were to hold it away from ground and start bringing it in, the gap at which it starts firing would be much smaller than the gap it will fire as you draw it away. The gap it starts firing at is an indication of the actual output. J.B. Castagnos From todengine at zoominternet.net Tue Feb 1 17:49:05 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:49:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Last Piece of IR Compressor Moved! Message-ID: <006b01c508c9$60e58370$2fc19a18@pengy> I finally moved the last piece of our Ingersoll Rand type 10 Imperial steam driven compressor from Cleveland to Youngstown today. It was the crankshaft and flywheel on our dual axle trailer. I thought it was going to be trouble, a big round thing that wants to roll, but I must have tied it down good as it didn't budge an inch the whole trip. On the way up to Cleveland this morning I passed a pickup on its side and was delayed by a bad accident on 480, I'm just glad it wasn't my pickup on its side!!! So now the compressor is completely moved to our restoration shop and will be reassembled and restored there, to eventually be moved to the Tod Engine Heritage Park for display. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Feb 1 18:16:03 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:16:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Vacuum Tubes (Valves) Source In-Reply-To: <41FF121B.2020708@comcast.net> References: <41FD8F1E.6040409@comcast.net> <2571271617f1d77251968b5daa59175c@chartertn.net> <41FE1B6D.5000206@comcast.net> <41FF121B.2020708@comcast.net> Message-ID: > Mike wrote: John, can you get me the etols website/contact info? Thanks http://www.halfin.com/etols/html/vacuum-tube.htm They've upgraded their site since I've been on it. $3.15 for Russian 6V6s looks pretty reasonable to me. I've got a bunch of Russian 6L6s I bought from them for $2.70. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From l-d-holderman at kconline.com Tue Feb 1 18:23:18 2005 From: l-d-holderman at kconline.com (Larry Holderman) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:23:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing References: <004501c508c7$3865ffd0$c880f1d8@lholderman> Message-ID: <001a01c508ce$2d69a2b0$ab82f1d8@lholderman> I should say it is a Model "R" Accurate Magneto... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Holderman" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 8:33 PM Subject: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing > I am working on a Accurate aka: A&E magneto off of a Mogul 1hp. The engine > will start without any problems on a coil and battery and when you switch it > over to the mag it will not run much at all. The ignitor has all new mica > washers and adjusted and works fine. I have had the magnets charged with a > large magneto charger and they have lots of pull. I have the armature out > of the mag and all the collector brushes and the parts that they ride on are > clean and in excellent shape. From what I have been told that it looks like > I might have bad coil windings... My question is how do you check and > armature and windings?? And if it is the windings who can do this kind of > winding repair?? I have also been told that they are harder to rewind than > other mags but I don't know this to be true. > > Thanks for any help > > Larry Holderman > Warsaw, Indiana > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 19:59:25 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:59:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] semi-OT Graham in Oz's antique engine gear cutting Message-ID: <20050202035925.56427.qmail@web52707.mail.yahoo.com> To: Graham in Oz Hi, there, Graham! For 56 teeth you will be fine using a cutter for 54-55 teeth. I am very surprised that the cutter is specified for only 54 and 55 teeth because with that number they are in the range of being able to cut at least four consecutive ranges of teeth acceptably, in this case it would probably be 53, 54, 55, and 56. The cutter possibly could be for high speed performance gears, which is of little concern for your application. Or it is for helical gearing and won't work at all. You are quite right about it being correct for only one pitch and all the others being close approximations, but at that great number of teeth the differences in the individual involute curves between 54 and 56 teeth are getting to be very slight. The biggest problem you might have is that the teeth will be a little too fat and may not have enough clearance between them, but I doubt it because the crank gear probably has made a few turns by now and is worn a bit! In case the new gear teeth are too fat, that can be fixed pretty easily by either slightly re-indexing the newly cut gear on the index head BEFORE loosening or removing it from the collet or chuck so it cuts an additional 0.125 millimeter (~ 0.005-inch) from the contact faces of one side of the teeth, or by lapping on a babbit gear that has been cut with the same cutter. Don?t lap it using your original crankshaft mating gear, it probably has enough wear on it already! If you have enough babbit or lead wheel weights lying around, cast a gear blank a bit over the size needed to cut a 56-tooth gear and make all your experiments on it (in my shop I call mistakes my ?set-up experiments? {:>). Before casting your babbit, flux it by stirring it up with rosin, candle wax, or even some sugar or sawdust that is floating on top and burning, and then skim the dross off to get any dirt and grit out. Don?t have anything damp in your mold because it will explode with quite surprising violence all over the place, or make it from sand because it will embed and ruin your cutter. For casting round babbit biscuits I use a piece of iron banding strap from a shipping crate rolled up into a circle lying on a thick steel plate. Machine your soft lead alloy blank to size and then try cutting a few teeth on that so you get all the surprises out of the way. After cutting a few teeth, if it comes out so that the cutter makes teeth too fat to mate with the crank gear, then re-index it and re-cut those few teeth until it mates, and then when cutting the real gear follow the same procedure. If you want to lap the new gear to make it fit better or smooth it up, re-cast the set-up babbit gear and machine it for 55-teeth instead of 56. This is because when lapping gears with the same number of teeth, the timing MUST be changed one tooth at a time until all the teeth have been gone through, otherwise each tooth becomes mated with only one particular notch! To avoid that, make the lapping gear with 55 teeth instead of 56 so it has a floating or ?hunting tooth?. That is why gear trains always have every-other intermediate gear with a prime number of teeth, or the sum of the numbers of teeth in each pair of gears in a train is a prime number, or each pair of gears has a number of teeth that do not share a common prime numerical factor with the number of teeth on the other gear. All that is to make sure that all the teeth eventually come into contact with one another and spread the wear evenly. Gear shift transmissions where the gear pairs are constantly disengaged and then re-engaged with random timing, engine camshaft drives with only two gears, and mechanical calculating machines (like old-fashioned cash registers) that rely on specific ratios to work, are the exceptions. Camshaft drives almost always have a third drive component, either an idler gear or drive chain, with prime number indexing so as to avoid uneven wear. Where there is no ?hunting tooth? in a drive it MUST be re-assembling with the original gear tooth timing to prevent unfamiliar gear tooth mating, which causes galling from very high point contact pressure from wear-misshapen surfaces. Valve camshaft drives of course already have timing marks. Too bad babbit isn?t a little tougher, you could make the real gear from it. For very light duty at slow speeds you can, actually. There are some pretty good grades of aluminum around now that machine easily but have good wear characteristics that you could make the working gear from, unless you want it to be made from the original material for authenticity. I melt down old zinc Zamac die cast metal (don?t accidentally get any aluminum die cast in it, it will ruin everything) from junk to use for a lot of things like this since it works great for light duty gears. The gears in my 65-year old Atlas lathe are Zamac, which is pretty good testimony to the durability of that alloy. Rich Allen Re: Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:23:00 +1100 (EST) From: Graham Harris Subject: [SEL] re: Gear making in brief - a question Hi Rich and Tommy N-i-c-e practical info on gears mates. I's even saved me a copy. Got one question that no one seems to be able to answer for me. I would like to have a go at cutting a cam gear for my Novo 4. Needed is a 56 tooth gear, 10 pitch and 14.5 PA I'd assume. I have a involute gear cutter here that cuts the 54-55 tooth range (or whatever is the standard teeth count for the numbered cutter). So the question is...can I use this cutter indexed correctly to do the 56 teeth? I mean, how much "out" would it be? My understanding is that the cutters are only exact for one teeth count and all others in the range are close approximations. Thanks much Graham in Oz From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Feb 1 22:00:14 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 01:00:14 EST Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 4353733487 (Ends Feb-03-05 18:33:49 PST) - 6 inch belt la Message-ID: <148.3d59c5c5.2f31c66e@aol.com> Hi, A few days ago someone was inquirying about belt lacing tool. Here is one being auctioned on eBay. _Click here: eBay item 4353733487 (Ends Feb-03-05 18:33:49 PST) - 6 inch belt lacing tool tractor hit miss motor belts_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=303&item=4353733487&rd=1) Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Feb 1 23:39:28 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:39:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing References: <004501c508c7$3865ffd0$c880f1d8@lholderman> Message-ID: <003101c508fa$53ef3900$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Larry, I have a few A&E mags with new windings and some other brands too. The magneto man here (there're only a few good ones) rewinds them in 90% of all cases. There're no parts here for US mags so you have to repair them. He told me when the windings get warm and there is some damage in the insulation of the wire you got troubles or even the wire could be broken somewhere inside. A new winding cost $150 for the average mag. I have a Bosch mag on my HSCS engine that was hardly to start because I couldn't make enough revolutions by hand on the flywheels, so he rewound the armature with thinner and more windings (special new kind of wire) and I got more Volts by less revolutions and the engine starts in once now. I'm bad in electrics so can't tell you how to test it, he put it in his test machine let it run 300 rpm and at both sides he placed a hair dryer to make warmed and read the Volt and Amp meters that's what I have seen. When the A&E mag was done it gave 5-6 Volts. Take care, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > I am working on a Accurate aka: A&E magneto off of a Mogul 1hp. The engine > will start without any problems on a coil and battery and when you switch it > over to the mag it will not run much at all. The ignitor has all new mica > washers and adjusted and works fine. I have had the magnets charged with a > large magneto charger and they have lots of pull. I have the armature out > of the mag and all the collector brushes and the parts that they ride on are > clean and in excellent shape. From what I have been told that it looks like > I might have bad coil windings... My question is how do you check and > armature and windings?? And if it is the windings who can do this kind of > winding repair?? I have also been told that they are harder to rewind than > other mags but I don't know this to be true. > > Thanks for any help > > Larry Holderman > Warsaw, Indiana > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 2 00:00:26 2005 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 02:00:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing References: <004501c508c7$3865ffd0$c880f1d8@lholderman> Message-ID: <001901c508fd$41fdfe40$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Hi Larry, in my oppinion, it's most unlikely that you need a re-wind. That mag should make 15 to 18 volts AC @ 500 RPM. What about you timing ???? (Mag to ignitor I mean) I had a 1 hp with R mag and I got it cheap from Kenny Wolf cause the mag was bad, I timed it and rebuilt the ignitor and it would start on one turn. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Holderman" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:33 PM Subject: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing >I am working on a Accurate aka: A&E magneto off of a Mogul 1hp. The engine > will start without any problems on a coil and battery and when you switch > it > over to the mag it will not run much at all. The ignitor has all new mica > washers and adjusted and works fine. I have had the magnets charged with > a > large magneto charger and they have lots of pull. I have the armature out > of the mag and all the collector brushes and the parts that they ride on > are > clean and in excellent shape. From what I have been told that it looks > like > I might have bad coil windings... My question is how do you check and > armature and windings?? And if it is the windings who can do this kind of > winding repair?? I have also been told that they are harder to rewind > than > other mags but I don't know this to be true. > > Thanks for any help > > Larry Holderman > Warsaw, Indiana > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Feb 2 02:30:53 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 21:30:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) Message-ID: <200502021030.j12AUm0E031287@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564 Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Feb 2 08:29:48 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:29:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) In-Reply-To: <200502021030.j12AUm0E031287@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502021030.j12AUm0E031287@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: G'day Patrick, This is the question that I sent to the seller. We'll see if I get a response. 8-)) Dear kellbarb, And the key question is are you going to keep the money from the sale or are you going to donate it to the ATIS Charity Auction fund? See ya, Arnie On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564 From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 2 08:33:24 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:33:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Real motormen know Message-ID: <005a01c50944$eb927fc0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> http://www.indianmotorbikes.com/features/munro/movie.htm This guy is Seabuiscuit on wheels . Spent 50 years working on the same engine till he got it "just right". I think Reg would have been infinitely more believable than Sir Hopkins , especially at speed . At least they didnt cast Leonardo . From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 2 08:41:25 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:41:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) In-Reply-To: References: <200502021030.j12AUm0E031287@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <59684.165.206.180.118.1107362485.squirrel@165.206.180.118> If the seller will donate, I'll bid........... That was a question I had as well. Bill > G'day Patrick, > > This is the question that I sent to the seller. We'll see if I get a > response. 8-)) > > Dear kellbarb, > > And the key question is are you going to keep the money from the sale or > are you going to donate it to the ATIS Charity Auction fund? See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Feb 2 08:50:27 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:50:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) In-Reply-To: References: <200502021030.j12AUm0E031287@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: And the answer is.... I'm hoping to put the money towards the street rod project. It's running way over on co$t$. Is there anymore decals available? I just put thm on E-bay to see what would happen. Barb & I have been cleaning up around the house just trying to get some cash to become debt free. We've been listening alot to Dave Ramsey. Since more than just List people look at it. I checked around Christmas and didn't see the ATIS Auction. Has it moved? Take Care! Kelly kellyr at evansville.net ============================================== On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Arnie Fero wrote: > G'day Patrick, > > This is the question that I sent to the seller. We'll see if I get a > response. 8-)) > > Dear kellbarb, > > And the key question is are you going to keep the money from the sale or > are you going to donate it to the ATIS Charity Auction fund? See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564 > _______________________________________________ From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Feb 2 07:38:05 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:38:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Buzz Coil Tester (for Dave) Message-ID: <20050202.114405.1400.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hey Guys, Anyone remember Mod West ? There's a guy that coud tell you anything you wanted to know about Buzz Coils. I have one that he got working for me. He'd tell you the condidion of the coil - what it was putting out - and - How much it was drawing. He was a "Good ol' guy". Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Feb 2 11:17:50 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 14:17:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) In-Reply-To: References: <200502021030.j12AUm0E031287@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050202141618.11372120@mail.alltel.net> Hi Arnie, Be VERY careful where you tell someone to sit! Dave At 11:50 AM 2/2/2005, you wrote: >And the answer is.... > >I'm hoping to put the money towards the street rod project. It's running >way over on co$t$. Is there anymore decals available? I just put thm on >E-bay to see what would happen. Barb & I have been cleaning up around the >house just trying to get some cash to become debt free. We've been >listening alot to Dave Ramsey. Since more than just List people look at >it. I checked around Christmas and didn't see the ATIS Auction. Has it >moved? Take Care! Kelly kellyr at evansville.net > >============================================== > >On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Arnie Fero wrote: > > > G'day Patrick, > > > > This is the question that I sent to the seller. We'll see if I get a > > response. 8-)) > > > > Dear kellbarb, > > > > And the key question is are you going to keep the money from the sale or > > are you going to donate it to the ATIS Charity Auction fund? See ya, Arnie > > > > On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564 > > _______________________________________________ > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 2 10:43:05 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:43:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) In-Reply-To: References: <200502021030.j12AUm0E031287@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <60389.165.206.180.118.1107369785.squirrel@165.206.180.118> So much for that..... wonder what I can sell to pay for my upcoming car restoration project! Bill > And the answer is.... > > I'm hoping to put the money towards the street rod project. It's running > way over on co$t$. Is there anymore decals available? I just put thm on > E-bay to see what would happen. Barb & I have been cleaning up around the > house just trying to get some cash to become debt free. We've been > listening alot to Dave Ramsey. Since more than just List people look at > it. I checked around Christmas and didn't see the ATIS Auction. Has it > moved? Take Care! Kelly kellyr at evansville.net > > ============================================== > > On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Arnie Fero wrote: > >> G'day Patrick, >> >> This is the question that I sent to the seller. We'll see if I get a >> response. 8-)) >> >> Dear kellbarb, >> >> And the key question is are you going to keep the money from the sale or >> are you going to donate it to the ATIS Charity Auction fund? See ya, >> Arnie >> >> On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >> >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564 >> _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Feb 2 12:23:07 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:23:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) In-Reply-To: <60389.165.206.180.118.1107369785.squirrel@165.206.180.118> References: <200502021030.j12AUm0E031287@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <60389.165.206.180.118.1107369785.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050202151358.0224aa80@mail.alltel.net> Hi Bill (and Others), I have a limited supply of these "decals" that John gave me at Portland the last time he was on this side of the pond. I had intended to put them "up" on the ATIS Charity Auction this year, but never got around to it. SO, now is your chance to have one (or two, or more.) I'll sell them for $5.00 each (or two for $9.00) and I'll pay the shipping anywhere in the USA. All money collected will be sent to Spencer for the Charity Auction. Dave PS, I'm at: Dave Rotigel 208 Kennan Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 PPS, Be sure to include your snail so I will know where to send the decal(s). PPPS, The supply is limited, so when they are all gone, that's it. So it's "first come first serve!" At 01:43 PM 2/2/2005, you wrote: >So much for that..... wonder what I can sell to pay for my upcoming car >restoration project! > >Bill > > > And the answer is.... > > > > I'm hoping to put the money towards the street rod project. It's running > > way over on co$t$. Is there anymore decals available? I just put thm on > > E-bay to see what would happen. Barb & I have been cleaning up around the > > house just trying to get some cash to become debt free. We've been > > listening alot to Dave Ramsey. Since more than just List people look at > > it. I checked around Christmas and didn't see the ATIS Auction. Has it > > moved? Take Care! Kelly kellyr at evansville.net > > > > ============================================== > > > > On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Arnie Fero wrote: > > > >> G'day Patrick, > >> > >> This is the question that I sent to the seller. We'll see if I get a > >> response. 8-)) > >> > >> Dear kellbarb, > >> > >> And the key question is are you going to keep the money from the sale or > >> are you going to donate it to the ATIS Charity Auction fund? See ya, > >> Arnie > >> > >> On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >> > >> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564 > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 2 13:04:09 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:04:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050202151358.0224aa80@mail.alltel.net> References: <200502021030.j12AUm0E031287@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <60389.165.206.180.118.1107369785.squirrel@165.206.180.118> <6.1.2.0.0.20050202151358.0224aa80@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <61339.165.206.180.118.1107378249.squirrel@165.206.180.118> You have a deal for 2 if it goes to the charity auction proceeds. You'll have my money in a day or two. Bill > Hi Bill (and Others), > I have a limited supply of these "decals" that John gave me at > Portland the last time he was on this side of the pond. I had intended to > put them "up" on the ATIS Charity Auction this year, but never got around > to it. SO, now is your chance to have one (or two, or more.) I'll sell > them > for $5.00 each (or two for $9.00) and I'll pay the shipping anywhere in > the > USA. All money collected will be sent to Spencer for the Charity Auction. > Dave > PS, I'm at: Dave Rotigel > 208 Kennan Drive > Greensburg, PA > 15601 > PPS, Be sure to include your snail so I will know where to send the > decal(s). > PPPS, The supply is limited, so when they are all gone, that's it. So it's > "first come first serve!" > > At 01:43 PM 2/2/2005, you wrote: >>So much for that..... wonder what I can sell to pay for my upcoming car >>restoration project! >> >>Bill >> >> > And the answer is.... >> > >> > I'm hoping to put the money towards the street rod project. It's >> running >> > way over on co$t$. Is there anymore decals available? I just put thm >> on >> > E-bay to see what would happen. Barb & I have been cleaning up around >> the >> > house just trying to get some cash to become debt free. We've been >> > listening alot to Dave Ramsey. Since more than just List people look >> at >> > it. I checked around Christmas and didn't see the ATIS Auction. Has it >> > moved? Take Care! Kelly kellyr at evansville.net >> > >> > ============================================== >> > >> > On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Arnie Fero wrote: >> > >> >> G'day Patrick, >> >> >> >> This is the question that I sent to the seller. We'll see if I get a >> >> response. 8-)) >> >> >> >> Dear kellbarb, >> >> >> >> And the key question is are you going to keep the money from the sale >> or >> >> are you going to donate it to the ATIS Charity Auction fund? See ya, >> >> Arnie >> >> >> >> On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Feb 2 13:41:06 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:41:06 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) References: <200502021030.j12AUm0E031287@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><60389.165.206.180.118.1107369785.squirrel@165.206.180.118> <6.1.2.0.0.20050202151358.0224aa80@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000901c5096f$e6982e40$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Excelent Dave! Good work, let them dig their pockets out. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > Hi Bill (and Others), > I have a limited supply of these "decals" that John gave me at > Portland the last time he was on this side of the pond. I had intended to > put them "up" on the ATIS Charity Auction this year, but never got around > to it. SO, now is your chance to have one (or two, or more.) I'll sell them > for $5.00 each (or two for $9.00) and I'll pay the shipping anywhere in the > USA. All money collected will be sent to Spencer for the Charity Auction. > Dave > PS, I'm at: Dave Rotigel > 208 Kennan Drive > Greensburg, PA > 15601 > PPS, Be sure to include your snail so I will know where to send the decal(s). > PPPS, The supply is limited, so when they are all gone, that's it. So it's > "first come first serve!" From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 2 15:42:19 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:42:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Big Splinter - Be Careful!! Message-ID: <007501c50980$d7e52630$230110ac@PAUL> Click on the URL below to see a bad accident involving a big splinter. http://community.webshots.com/slideshow?ID=265468719&key=GFhMIS This is an actual emergency room photo of a gentleman who lost control of his motorcycle on a country road in West Virginia. Troopers believe that he was traveling at a speed of approximately 75 mph at the time of the accident. He was unable to negotiate a curve in the road. Unfortunately for him, upon striking the ditch and being ejected from the bike, he landed back end first on a fencepost from an old barnyard fence that was downed on the side of the road. The good news is that after about 6 months, this man made a full recovery after suffering a shattered hip, broken leg, several broken ribs, internal injuries, and "soft tissue" damage. Doctors credited his recovery to the fact that the post lodged itself so tightly that there was little or no blood loss. From l-d-holderman at kconline.com Wed Feb 2 16:37:27 2005 From: l-d-holderman at kconline.com (Larry Holderman) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:37:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing References: <004501c508c7$3865ffd0$c880f1d8@lholderman> <001901c508fd$41fdfe40$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <001f01c50988$8dbf64a0$7489f1d8@lholderman> Ted & John Thanks for the replies on my mag problem. I think I will get it setup to turn at 500rpm and see what I get. Larry Holderman Warsaw, Indiana USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Brookover" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 3:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing > Hi Larry, in my oppinion, it's most unlikely that you need a re-wind. > > That mag should make 15 to 18 volts AC @ 500 RPM. > > What about you timing ???? (Mag to ignitor I mean) > > I had a 1 hp with R mag and I got it cheap from Kenny Wolf cause the mag was > bad, I timed it and rebuilt the ignitor and it would start on one turn. > Ted Brookover > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > 816-763-3142 > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Holderman" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:33 PM > Subject: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing > > > >I am working on a Accurate aka: A&E magneto off of a Mogul 1hp. The engine > > will start without any problems on a coil and battery and when you switch > > it > > over to the mag it will not run much at all. The ignitor has all new mica > > washers and adjusted and works fine. I have had the magnets charged with > > a > > large magneto charger and they have lots of pull. I have the armature out > > of the mag and all the collector brushes and the parts that they ride on > > are > > clean and in excellent shape. From what I have been told that it looks > > like > > I might have bad coil windings... My question is how do you check and > > armature and windings?? And if it is the windings who can do this kind of > > winding repair?? I have also been told that they are harder to rewind > > than > > other mags but I don't know this to be true. > > > > Thanks for any help > > > > Larry Holderman > > Warsaw, Indiana > > USA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 2 16:51:06 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:51:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050202151358.0224aa80@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200502030051.j130pWLY040847@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> The money is literally in the mail, went in at Pleasant Hill PO this afternoon. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 2:23 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) Hi Bill (and Others), I have a limited supply of these "decals" that John gave me at Portland the last time he was on this side of the pond. I had intended to put them "up" on the ATIS Charity Auction this year, but never got around to it. SO, now is your chance to have one (or two, or more.) I'll sell them for $5.00 each (or two for $9.00) and I'll pay the shipping anywhere in the USA. All money collected will be sent to Spencer for the Charity Auction. Dave PS, I'm at: Dave Rotigel 208 Kennan Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 PPS, Be sure to include your snail so I will know where to send the decal(s). PPPS, The supply is limited, so when they are all gone, that's it. So it's "first come first serve!" At 01:43 PM 2/2/2005, you wrote: >So much for that..... wonder what I can sell to pay for my upcoming car >restoration project! > >Bill > > > And the answer is.... > > > > I'm hoping to put the money towards the street rod project. It's > > running way over on co$t$. Is there anymore decals available? I just > > put thm on E-bay to see what would happen. Barb & I have been > > cleaning up around the house just trying to get some cash to become > > debt free. We've been listening alot to Dave Ramsey. Since more than > > just List people look at it. I checked around Christmas and didn't > > see the ATIS Auction. Has it moved? Take Care! Kelly > > kellyr at evansville.net > > > > ============================================== > > > > On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Arnie Fero wrote: > > > >> G'day Patrick, > >> > >> This is the question that I sent to the seller. We'll see if I get > >> a response. 8-)) > >> > >> Dear kellbarb, > >> > >> And the key question is are you going to keep the money from the > >> sale or are you going to donate it to the ATIS Charity Auction > >> fund? See ya, Arnie > >> > >> On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >> > >> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871 > 442564 > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Wed Feb 2 18:24:18 2005 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 21:24:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY.......... References: <20050201123804.98201.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com> <1107266048.41ff8a00eee17@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> <42001706.1040304@wiktel.com> Message-ID: <002001c50997$76dd3f50$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> The NPTF threads have a taper of 7/8" per foot, something I did not know until recently. Now I'm trying to figure out, if the "F" does not stand for fine, as in screw thread sizes, what does it stand for? "Dryseal"? Now I'll be up all night!;-) Best Regards; Jim Mackessy Syracuse, New York, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Olson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY.......... > Just to add some confusion to the thread, no pun intended, I'll add the > following info: I am a licensed electrician and looking in the National > Electrical Code book under IMC or Rigid conduit about threading pipe > (conduit), it states the following. "Where conduit is threaded in the > field, a standard cutting die with a taper of 1 in 16 (3/4 inch per > foot) shall be used. Fine Print Note: See ANSI/ASME B.1.20..1-1983, > Standard for Pipe Threads, General Purpose (Inch)." > I don't know if this helps or hinders the ongoing diolog, but I give > it for what it's worth. > William Olson, Roosevelt, MN > > diesel at easynet.co.uk wrote: > > >Quoting James Yost : > > > >>Bill, > >> > >>Both are correct. I do not think you could win or > >>loose on trying to see who is right or wrong. > >>Engineers sometime refer it as taper but us common > >>folk say thread. > >> > >>Jim > >> > > > >I'd say National Pipe Thread is the correct term, as the thread comes (as does > >the British Standard Pipe thread) in both taper and parallel forms. Both are > >listed in the SAE handbooks that we have. > > > >Peter > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Wed Feb 2 18:33:40 2005 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 21:33:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) References: <200502021030.j12AUm0E031287@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><60389.165.206.180.118.1107369785.squirrel@165.206.180.118> <6.1.2.0.0.20050202151358.0224aa80@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002701c50998$c5b3c8a0$9fc77040@user> Dave, save me a pair. Will get the money off tomorrow! Paul Russell Riga, Michigan hit_n_miss at tc3net.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) Hi Bill (and Others), I have a limited supply of these "decals" that John gave me at Portland the last time he was on this side of the pond. I had intended to put them "up" on the ATIS Charity Auction this year, but never got around to it. SO, now is your chance to have one (or two, or more.) I'll sell them for $5.00 each (or two for $9.00) and I'll pay the shipping anywhere in the USA. All money collected will be sent to Spencer for the Charity Auction. Dave PS, I'm at: Dave Rotigel 208 Kennan Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 PPS, Be sure to include your snail so I will know where to send the decal(s). PPPS, The supply is limited, so when they are all gone, that's it. So it's "first come first serve!" At 01:43 PM 2/2/2005, you wrote: >So much for that..... wonder what I can sell to pay for my upcoming car >restoration project! > >Bill > > > And the answer is.... > > > > I'm hoping to put the money towards the street rod project. It's running > > way over on co$t$. Is there anymore decals available? I just put thm on > > E-bay to see what would happen. Barb & I have been cleaning up around the > > house just trying to get some cash to become debt free. We've been > > listening alot to Dave Ramsey. Since more than just List people look at > > it. I checked around Christmas and didn't see the ATIS Auction. Has it > > moved? Take Care! Kelly kellyr at evansville.net > > > > ============================================== > > > > On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Arnie Fero wrote: > > > >> G'day Patrick, > >> > >> This is the question that I sent to the seller. We'll see if I get a > >> response. 8-)) > >> > >> Dear kellbarb, > >> > >> And the key question is are you going to keep the money from the sale or > >> are you going to donate it to the ATIS Charity Auction fund? See ya, > >> Arnie > >> > >> On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >> > >> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564 > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/05 From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 2 18:43:29 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:43:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 4353733487 (Ends Feb-03-05 18:33:49 PST) - 6 inch belt la In-Reply-To: <148.3d59c5c5.2f31c66e@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050203024329.58464.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com> Cool Francis, That looks a lot like the one I bought at the Buckley show last summer. Mine came with a good sized box of lacing materials and also another lacer that is made to use in a vise. I asked if it was for sale,,,, He could have simply said NO! Instead he said," No,,.,If I was going to sell that one with all the stuff in that box I would have to ask $50 for it." I pulled out a $50 bill and held it out. When he reached out and took it the deal was made. Then I let him borrow it to lace a belt for a guy. That was why he had it there to lace belts for folks. I bought an even cooler one at the fall swap meet so I now have three belt lacers. Alan Bowen rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Williamsburg, Michigan --- FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > Hi, > A few days ago someone was inquirying about belt lacing tool. Here is one > being auctioned on eBay. > > _Click here: eBay item 4353733487 (Ends Feb-03-05 18:33:49 PST) - 6 inch > belt lacing tool tractor hit miss motor belts_ http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=303&item=4353733487&rd=1 > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From ottawa at pa.net Wed Feb 2 18:51:08 2005 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 21:51:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY.......... References: <20050201123804.98201.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com><1107266048.41ff8a00eee17@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk><42001706.1040304@wiktel.com> <002001c50997$76dd3f50$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> Message-ID: <001a01c5099b$36c35900$e97a3b42@HONDESKTOP> Hope this page satisfies your curiousity! Dryseal American National Standard Taper Pipe Threads NPTF http://www.emuge.com/technical/2005_threading_clamping.html Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers RR 1, Box 2032 Blain, PA 17006 The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 ----- Original Message ----- From: James Mackessy To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - what is NPT REALLY.......... The NPTF threads have a taper of 7/8" per foot, something I did not know until recently. Now I'm trying to figure out, if the "F" does not stand for fine, as in screw thread sizes, what does it stand for? "Dryseal"? Now I'll be up all night!;-) Best Regards; Jim Mackessy Syracuse, New York, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Feb 2 20:17:25 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 23:17:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) In-Reply-To: <002701c50998$c5b3c8a0$9fc77040@user> References: <200502021030.j12AUm0E031287@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <60389.165.206.180.118.1107369785.squirrel@165.206.180.118> <6.1.2.0.0.20050202151358.0224aa80@mail.alltel.net> <002701c50998$c5b3c8a0$9fc77040@user> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050202231611.02585ed8@mail.alltel.net> Hi Paul, Be sure to let me know your snail so I can know where to send them! Dave At 09:33 PM 2/2/2005, you wrote: >Dave, save me a pair. Will get the money off tomorrow! > >Paul Russell >Riga, Michigan >hit_n_miss at tc3net.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dave Rotigel" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 3:23 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Just what you have always wanted :) > > >Hi Bill (and Others), > I have a limited supply of these "decals" that John gave me at >Portland the last time he was on this side of the pond. I had intended to >put them "up" on the ATIS Charity Auction this year, but never got around >to it. SO, now is your chance to have one (or two, or more.) I'll sell them >for $5.00 each (or two for $9.00) and I'll pay the shipping anywhere in the >USA. All money collected will be sent to Spencer for the Charity Auction. > Dave >PS, I'm at: Dave Rotigel > 208 Kennan Drive > Greensburg, PA > 15601 >PPS, Be sure to include your snail so I will know where to send the >decal(s). >PPPS, The supply is limited, so when they are all gone, that's it. So it's >"first come first serve!" > >At 01:43 PM 2/2/2005, you wrote: > >So much for that..... wonder what I can sell to pay for my upcoming car > >restoration project! > > > >Bill > > > > > And the answer is.... > > > > > > I'm hoping to put the money towards the street rod project. It's running > > > way over on co$t$. Is there anymore decals available? I just put thm on > > > E-bay to see what would happen. Barb & I have been cleaning up around >the > > > house just trying to get some cash to become debt free. We've been > > > listening alot to Dave Ramsey. Since more than just List people look at > > > it. I checked around Christmas and didn't see the ATIS Auction. Has it > > > moved? Take Care! Kelly kellyr at evansville.net > > > > > > ============================================== > > > > > > On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Arnie Fero wrote: > > > > > >> G'day Patrick, > > >> > > >> This is the question that I sent to the seller. We'll see if I get a > > >> response. 8-)) > > >> > > >> Dear kellbarb, > > >> > > >> And the key question is are you going to keep the money from the sale >or > > >> are you going to donate it to the ATIS Charity Auction fund? See ya, > > >> Arnie > > >> > > >> On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564 > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/05 > > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/05 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 2 20:51:29 2005 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:51:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing References: <004501c508c7$3865ffd0$c880f1d8@lholderman><001901c508fd$41fdfe40$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <001f01c50988$8dbf64a0$7489f1d8@lholderman> Message-ID: <005a01c509ac$070489d0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Just a word of caution folks, some Accurate and IHC "R" magnetos can be spun at 500 RPM and some cannot. If the Mag has a gear and is meant to be "Rotary", spin to your hearts content, however some of these were set up to work as "Oscilating Magnetos" these must never be spun, as there is a wire connection inside that will be wrecked if spun. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Holderman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing > Ted & John > > Thanks for the replies on my mag problem. I think I will get it setup to > turn at 500rpm and see what I get. > > Larry Holderman > Warsaw, Indiana > USA > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ted Brookover" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 3:00 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing > > >> Hi Larry, in my oppinion, it's most unlikely that you need a re-wind. >> >> That mag should make 15 to 18 volts AC @ 500 RPM. >> >> What about you timing ???? (Mag to ignitor I mean) >> >> I had a 1 hp with R mag and I got it cheap from Kenny Wolf cause the mag > was >> bad, I timed it and rebuilt the ignitor and it would start on one turn. >> Ted Brookover >> 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. >> Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 >> 816-763-3142 >> ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ >> Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm >> >> This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Larry Holderman" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:33 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing >> >> >> >I am working on a Accurate aka: A&E magneto off of a Mogul 1hp. The > engine >> > will start without any problems on a coil and battery and when you > switch >> > it >> > over to the mag it will not run much at all. The ignitor has all new > mica >> > washers and adjusted and works fine. I have had the magnets charged > with >> > a >> > large magneto charger and they have lots of pull. I have the armature > out >> > of the mag and all the collector brushes and the parts that they ride >> > on >> > are >> > clean and in excellent shape. From what I have been told that it looks >> > like >> > I might have bad coil windings... My question is how do you check and >> > armature and windings?? And if it is the windings who can do this kind > of >> > winding repair?? I have also been told that they are harder to rewind >> > than >> > other mags but I don't know this to be true. >> > >> > Thanks for any help >> > >> > Larry Holderman >> > Warsaw, Indiana >> > USA >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Feb 2 21:09:23 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:09:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing In-Reply-To: <005a01c509ac$070489d0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <004501c508c7$3865ffd0$c880f1d8@lholderman> <001901c508fd$41fdfe40$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <001f01c50988$8dbf64a0$7489f1d8@lholderman> <005a01c509ac$070489d0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050203000648.025a82f0@mail.alltel.net> At 11:51 PM 2/2/2005, you wrote: >Just a word of caution folks, some Accurate and IHC "R" magnetos can be >spun at 500 RPM and some cannot. >If the Mag has a gear and is meant to be "Rotary", spin to your hearts >content, however some of these were set up to work as "Oscilating >Magnetos" these must never be spun, as there is a wire connection inside >that will be wrecked if spun. >Ted Brookover >No big deal Ted. If someone spins one that should not be spun I know a guy >in Missouri who can probably fix it! Dave From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Feb 3 04:35:59 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:35:59 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Just how do you feel about your club? Message-ID: <001301c509ec$ee6b52f0$32b73dca@ogborneuah38i3> I would like to know how other club members approach a situation that arose the other night. I attended the annual general meeting, I travelled 400 km to do so but that's my choice. Our club is the oldest club in West Australia and has some history. In the early days each member had a distinctive club badge . Even though it was an engraved plastic material ,it did have the club emblem and the members name. A recent move in the name of cost cutting has been to issue members a new '' badge ''. I prefer to call it a name tag......it is laminated cardboard with the members name printed, no engraving as in the old one. This move to the cheap name tag was instigated by a very small majority who did it as far as i am aware in an undemocratic way. I along with some like thinking fellow members raised our objections to this cheap and tawdry excuse for a Club Badge. It was put to the vote and we lost .............possibly we are considered Left Wingers! My feeling, along with some others feel that as a matter of pride we should wear something better than a bloody cardboard name tag. WE are not giving up on this and will continue the fight. As an aside the majority of members wear a club shirt at shows ............i along with others refuse to do so. My reason, either you get the grease and oil from your own engine or some ones else's over these shirts and of course that really looks shithouse. So i wear overalls. I would like to hear what others think about this issue. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From wrl at gwltd.com Thu Feb 3 05:19:24 2005 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 07:19:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Just how do you feel about your club? References: <001301c509ec$ee6b52f0$32b73dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <004101c509f3$00d32e30$0500005a@laptop> Peter, to me the answer is clear and simple. If I were in a club that went from a somewhat classy name badge to a cheep hunk of paper. I would run right out to the name badge store and have myself the best engraved tag the had to offer made up just to make a point. Then go about showing it off, unless your club has some law stopping you from this action. What can it cost $12 $15. bucks J. Dave Mayfield www.w9wrl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 6:35 AM Subject: [SEL] Just how do you feel about your club? > I would like to know how other club members approach a situation that arose > the other night. > I attended the annual general meeting, I travelled 400 km to do so but > that's my choice. > Our club is the oldest club in West Australia and has some history. In the > early days each member had a distinctive club badge . Even though it was an > engraved plastic material ,it did have the club emblem and the members > name. A recent move in the name of cost cutting has been to issue members a > new '' badge ''. I prefer to call it a name tag......it is laminated > cardboard with the members name printed, no engraving as in the old one. > This move to the cheap name tag was instigated by a very small majority who > did it as far as i am aware in an undemocratic way. I along with some like > thinking fellow members raised our objections to this cheap and tawdry > excuse for a Club Badge. It was put to the vote and we lost > .............possibly we are considered Left Wingers! > My feeling, along with some others feel that as a matter of pride we should > wear something better than a bloody cardboard name tag. > WE are not giving up on this and will continue the fight. > As an aside the majority of members wear a club shirt at shows ............i > along with others refuse to do so. My reason, either you get the grease and > oil from your own engine or some ones else's over these shirts and of course > that really looks shithouse. So i wear overalls. > I would like to hear what others think about this issue. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Feb 3 05:43:46 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 05:43:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Just how do you feel about your club? In-Reply-To: <004101c509f3$00d32e30$0500005a@laptop> References: <001301c509ec$ee6b52f0$32b73dca@ogborneuah38i3> <004101c509f3$00d32e30$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <1545.165.206.180.118.1107438226.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Was there actual discussion and/or debate? Was the cost savings shown and proven with facts and figures? Was it railroaded, or was this an actual democratic process where facts were known and shown and the decision made by a real majority? Is there a low cost alternative that looks better than the ones you dislike so much? did you present an alternative to their cheapies that would STILL save monet - IF money was the actual REAL concern? Hmmmmmmm I've had success in similar situations by being totally prepared with a better alternative that was well researched, had my duckys in a row and could show that it would still save money but not look as tacky. If there are a handful that don't like the new badges and prefer something else, are they willing to kick in the difference themselves? Sure, they should not have to, but it sort of then is still a win over the other side! A way of getting your way anyway. Bil > Peter, to me the answer is clear and simple. If I were in a club that went > from a somewhat classy name badge to a cheep hunk of paper. I would run > right out to the name badge store and have myself the best engraved tag > the > had to offer made up just to make a point. Then go about showing it off, > unless your club has some law stopping you from this action. > > What can it cost $12 $15. bucks > > J. Dave Mayfield > www.w9wrl.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 6:35 AM > Subject: [SEL] Just how do you feel about your club? > > >> I would like to know how other club members approach a situation that > arose >> the other night. >> I attended the annual general meeting, I travelled 400 km to do so but >> that's my choice. >> Our club is the oldest club in West Australia and has some history. In >> the >> early days each member had a distinctive club badge . Even though it was > an >> engraved plastic material ,it did have the club emblem and the members >> name. A recent move in the name of cost cutting has been to issue >> members > a >> new '' badge ''. I prefer to call it a name tag......it is laminated >> cardboard with the members name printed, no engraving as in the old one. >> This move to the cheap name tag was instigated by a very small majority > who >> did it as far as i am aware in an undemocratic way. I along with some >> like >> thinking fellow members raised our objections to this cheap and tawdry >> excuse for a Club Badge. It was put to the vote and we lost >> .............possibly we are considered Left Wingers! >> My feeling, along with some others feel that as a matter of pride we > should >> wear something better than a bloody cardboard name tag. >> WE are not giving up on this and will continue the fight. >> As an aside the majority of members wear a club shirt at shows > ............i >> along with others refuse to do so. My reason, either you get the grease > and >> oil from your own engine or some ones else's over these shirts and of > course >> that really looks shithouse. So i wear overalls. >> I would like to hear what others think about this issue. >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Wed Feb 2 23:31:29 2005 From: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 23:31:29 Subject: [SEL] Ruston manual Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050202233129.009ad2e0@127.0.0.1> Hello All Can anyone let me have /or point me to a manual for a Ruston & Hornsby PT. I have one from Internal Fire but it is for an earlier model. Mine is a 1949 model and has a Wico mag (I think it is called a "half loaf"). I will atach a pic (28Kb) of mine and there is another one on my site www.oldengine.org/members/evans Thanks in advance -------------- next part -------------- Best regards Jerry Evans Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Tel. +27 16 365-5787 From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Feb 3 05:50:35 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:50:35 EST Subject: [SEL] Just how do you feel about your club? Message-ID: <1ad.3090b5c3.2f33862b@aol.com> In a message dated 2/3/2005 8:03:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, jopeter at omninet.net.au writes: << I along with some like thinking fellow members raised our objections to this cheap and tawdry excuse for a Club Badge. >> Peter, Welcome to the "joys" belonging to a club!! Recently our club had similar circumstances. The board of directors held a meeting late last fall looking at the 2004 expenses and any 2005 year changes. Two items of interest were discussed at length, one being the present $10/year membership dues and the other was the $4 show admission fee. The board decided to keep the $10 membership fee the same and to increase the show admission fee to $5. When the board minutes were presented at the regular club meeting, a few raised great concerns about these fees, how it affected the budget, and how it might affect the number of club membership and spectators. After much discussion it was decided to present the budget findings, and to have the members present at the next regular meeting vote on the dues and entrance fees. After presentation/discussions at the next meeting, the majority voted to keep the $10 membership fee and to increase the spectator entrance fee to $5 for 2005, just as the board had voted to do themselves! So, one has to ask just what are the club "board of directors" duties/responsibilites? Of course the "board" is not a club dictatorship and all members ideas and input are needed and appreciated. Changes should be discussed when not agreed with. But, if every thing voted and agreed upon by the board is challenged and must be presented to all club members, then what is the board for and would anything ever get done?? Of course as we all know, when club members are asked if the would serve on the board of directors the answer is they have "conflicts" (NO) and the same answer(NO) is given when they are asked to perform a specific job function for the show! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Feb 3 07:26:19 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 07:26:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Just how do you feel about your club? In-Reply-To: <1ad.3090b5c3.2f33862b@aol.com> References: <1ad.3090b5c3.2f33862b@aol.com> Message-ID: <2047.165.206.180.118.1107444379.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Tom - you have obviously been there! Good points, all. Bill > In a message dated 2/3/2005 8:03:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, > jopeter at omninet.net.au writes: > > << I along with some like > thinking fellow members raised our objections to this cheap and tawdry > excuse for a Club Badge. >> > > Peter, > > Welcome to the "joys" belonging to a club!! > > Recently our club had similar circumstances. The board of directors held > a > meeting late last fall looking at the 2004 expenses and any 2005 year > changes. > Two items of interest were discussed at length, one being the present > $10/year membership dues and the other was the $4 show admission fee. The > board > decided to keep the $10 membership fee the same and to increase the show > admission > fee to $5. When the board minutes were presented at the regular club > meeting, a few raised great concerns about these fees, how it affected the > budget, > and how it might affect the number of club membership and spectators. > After > much discussion it was decided to present the budget findings, and to have > the > members present at the next regular meeting vote on the dues and entrance > fees. > After presentation/discussions at the next meeting, the majority voted to > keep the $10 membership fee and to increase the spectator entrance fee to > $5 for > 2005, just as the board had voted to do themselves! > > So, one has to ask just what are the club "board of directors" > duties/responsibilites? Of course the "board" is not a club dictatorship > and all members > ideas and input are needed and appreciated. Changes should be discussed > when > not agreed with. But, if every thing voted and agreed upon by the board > is > challenged and must be presented to all club members, then what is the > board for > and would anything ever get done?? > > Of course as we all know, when club members are asked if the would serve > on > the board of directors the answer is they have "conflicts" (NO) and the > same > answer(NO) is given when they are asked to perform a specific job function > for > the show! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From prepair at easynet.co.uk Thu Feb 3 08:16:31 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 16:16:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT - AC Mains Supplies in the USA (Non-Domestic) Message-ID: Can anyone give us a definitive answer to this one please? We are quoting for a large (200kW) battery charger for a US installation, and need to know what supplies are available for high -power equipment in factories and buildings. It has to be 3-phase, and because we are going to be testing over here, it will also have 440/415 delta (Wye) input connections for our own purposes. Any help would be appreciated, but please note this is NOT your average domestic supply! Thanks, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From prepair at easynet.co.uk Thu Feb 3 09:15:02 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:15:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT - AC Mains Supplies in the USA (Non-Domestic) In-Reply-To: <420254EF.7060703@atnet.net> References: <420254EF.7060703@atnet.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 08:44:31 -0800, you wrote: >Peter - Most industrial supply in the US is 440 wye 60 Hz. That being >said I'd suggest you ask the customer what it will be or who his >electrical supplier is and then ask them. The supply depends a bit on >the age of the construction and some buildings are 220 volt wye 60 hz. >3 phase is standard in the USA for larger loads like 200 kw, but it >could be either 220 or 440. Thanks for that, I also asked Tim in Ca to have a look at his utilities panel, but he went up on the roof and checked the fan motors on the aircon! 460V Nominal, range of operation 440 to 480V 60Hz. The charger will be OK on 440V 50Hz and 460V 60Hz, running slightly cooler on the higher frequency as usual. >A question for you. I ran into a water pump from India. I'm told its >an Indian design based on a clone of a standard Petter engine but >modified for cost and efficiency. [Note - the cam shaft end is not >exposed and the fly wheel location has been moved] The idea being it's >to become a standard for third world countries. I'm not a guru on the >subject and was wondering which Petter does it look to have come from? >There are two models, 2.6 and 3.5 hp both which look the same. [1100 >and 1500 rpm] It was the AV1 and the AVA1 engines, originally sold by Kirloskar as agents for Petters, then they started making them themselves when the licencing agreement ran out. Same with the Lister engines but a different agency handled them. AV1 was water-cooled, AVA1 was aircooled. >BTW - Also ran into the Indian clone of the 6.5 hp Lister CS. >Regards, > >Bob Thanks, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu Feb 3 09:32:23 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:32:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT - AC Mains Supplies in the USA (Non-Domestic) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Peter In message , Prepair Ltd writes >Can anyone give us a definitive answer to this one please? > >We are quoting for a large (200kW) battery charger for a US >installation, and need to know what supplies are available for high >-power equipment in factories and buildings. > >It has to be 3-phase, and because we are going to be testing over >here, it will also have 440/415 delta (Wye) input connections for our >own purposes. > You might also try asking on alt.engineering.electrical, misc.industry.utilities.electric and sci.engr.electrical if you haven't already. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From jdohagan at comcast.net Thu Feb 3 17:34:08 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:34:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT - AC Mains Supplies in the USA (Non-Domestic) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200502040134.j141YCqT026097@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Peter, Ask the customer for the voltage that they prefer .It differs in different areas of the neighborhoods and in any given location in a building. You don't want to add the price of a big "Hunkin" transformer to the job. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Prepair Ltd Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 8:17 AM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Cc: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] OT - AC Mains Supplies in the USA (Non-Domestic) Can anyone give us a definitive answer to this one please? We are quoting for a large (200kW) battery charger for a US installation, and need to know what supplies are available for high -power equipment in factories and buildings. It has to be 3-phase, and because we are going to be testing over here, it will also have 440/415 delta (Wye) input connections for our own purposes. Any help would be appreciated, but please note this is NOT your average domestic supply! Thanks, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From l-d-holderman at kconline.com Thu Feb 3 18:00:22 2005 From: l-d-holderman at kconline.com (Larry Holderman) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:00:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing References: <004501c508c7$3865ffd0$c880f1d8@lholderman><001901c508fd$41fdfe40$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo><001f01c50988$8dbf64a0$7489f1d8@lholderman> <005a01c509ac$070489d0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <002301c50a5d$4d8204d0$c380f1d8@lholderman> Ted: I got 10 volts out of my mag by spinning it at 500rpm. Larry Holderman Warsaw, Indiana USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Brookover" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Accurate (A&E) Magneto Testing > Just a word of caution folks, some Accurate and IHC "R" magnetos can be spun > at 500 RPM and some cannot. > > If the Mag has a gear and is meant to be "Rotary", spin to your hearts > content, however some of these were set up to work as "Oscilating Magnetos" > these must never be spun, as there is a wire connection inside that will be > wrecked if spun. > > Ted Brookover > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > 816-763-3142 > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > From FRM8198 at aol.com Thu Feb 3 19:11:48 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:11:48 EST Subject: [SEL] Black & Decker Valve Facer Manual Message-ID: <1d7.35c6ab48.2f3441f4@aol.com> Hi List, My older model Black & Decker valve face grinder is nearly operational. The main electrical feed cord and the interconnecting electrical cords to the three motors were replaced as the old ones were deteriorating. Additionally, the static ground wires (green lead) were added to each motor as the original only had the base grounded. Two of the vee belts are in process of being replaced as soon as the parts house can get the correct ones. The partially rusted coolant tank had to be welded and brazed in three corners and one baffle spot weld. Tomorrow, the interior of this coolant tank will be coated with a two part epoxy paint. Does anyone know where I obtain a manual for this machine? It is a Black & Decker, Type NWB, Size 9/16". A copy or reprint would be OK. Thanks. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Feb 3 20:43:16 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:43:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Just how do you feel about your club? In-Reply-To: <1ad.3090b5c3.2f33862b@aol.com> References: <1ad.3090b5c3.2f33862b@aol.com> Message-ID: <4202FD64.3090902@fidnet.com> Tom, the Bylaws should spell out the duties/responsibilities of the individual board members, the board as a whole as well as the officers. Gary Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/3/2005 8:03:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, > jopeter at omninet.net.au writes: > > << I along with some like > thinking fellow members raised our objections to this cheap and tawdry > excuse for a Club Badge. >> > > Peter, > > Welcome to the "joys" belonging to a club!! > > Recently our club had similar circumstances. The board of directors held a > meeting late last fall looking at the 2004 expenses and any 2005 year changes. > Two items of interest were discussed at length, one being the present > $10/year membership dues and the other was the $4 show admission fee. The board > decided to keep the $10 membership fee the same and to increase the show admission > fee to $5. When the board minutes were presented at the regular club > meeting, a few raised great concerns about these fees, how it affected the budget, > and how it might affect the number of club membership and spectators. After > much discussion it was decided to present the budget findings, and to have the > members present at the next regular meeting vote on the dues and entrance fees. > After presentation/discussions at the next meeting, the majority voted to > keep the $10 membership fee and to increase the spectator entrance fee to $5 for > 2005, just as the board had voted to do themselves! > > So, one has to ask just what are the club "board of directors" > duties/responsibilites? Of course the "board" is not a club dictatorship and all members > ideas and input are needed and appreciated. Changes should be discussed when > not agreed with. But, if every thing voted and agreed upon by the board is > challenged and must be presented to all club members, then what is the board for > and would anything ever get done?? > > Of course as we all know, when club members are asked if the would serve on > the board of directors the answer is they have "conflicts" (NO) and the same > answer(NO) is given when they are asked to perform a specific job function for > the show! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From nick at holden1.net Thu Feb 3 10:30:55 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:30:55 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Ruston Manual Message-ID: <42026DDF.000003.00704@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi the best person to ask is Ray E Hooley at 16 Alexandre Avenue, North Hykeham, Lincoln LN6 8NR UK he is the best man to help you i think nick Get All Your Mobile Phone Accessories at www.nicksphoneunlockingshop.co.uk From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Feb 3 23:10:25 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 07:10:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Ruston Manual In-Reply-To: <42026DDF.000003.00704@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> References: <42026DDF.000003.00704@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:30:55 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), you wrote: > Hi the best person to ask is Ray E Hooley at > >16 Alexandre Avenue, North Hykeham, > >Lincoln LN6 8NR UK he is the best man to help you i think > > nick Ray is also on email: rehooley at tiscali.co.uk Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Feb 3 23:29:25 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 07:29:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT - AC Mains Supplies in the USA (Non-Domestic) In-Reply-To: <200502040134.j141YCqT026097@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502040134.j141YCqT026097@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:34:08 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Peter, Ask the customer for the voltage that they prefer .It differs in >different areas of the neighborhoods and in any given location in a >building. You don't want to add the price of a big "Hunkin" transformer to >the job. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan > >Jim O'Hagan Thanks, Jim. The transformer is about 1.45 tons finished weight.... Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Feb 4 00:31:29 2005 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:01:29 +1030 Subject: [SEL] fatg on the move ? References: <200502040134.j141YCqT026097@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000801c50a93$ece68dd0$6bc58890@chaos> http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/images/photo152_2.jpg From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 4 03:44:32 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 05:44:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant Update - Let's send cards Message-ID: <000e01c50aae$e6708c10$230110ac@PAUL> Good Morning Folks, I received the message below from Charlie's sister last night, Charlie is not feeling well and he has the big surgery next week. I ask her for his mailing address as I thought some of you might like to send Charlie a card to cheer him up and help him through this ordeal. I wish it was where I could drive around with one big card and get everyone to sign it that wanted to but this is not possible. I am sending mine out today, I know he would appreciate hearing from some of the "gang". Thanks - Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" To: Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: Thursday PM Update > Greetings again, > Charlie called --talked very briefly to tell me he has been transferred > to another room . Surgeon in to tell him the surgery would be next Monday > or Wednesday as those are the only 2 days he is there since he operates > in other hospital. He says he feels awful and doesn't feel like talking > and no appetite. Apparently very sore mouth as reaction to antibiotic. > > Hi address is ----- MA. General Hospital > 55 Fruit St > Ellison Bldg Rm 832 B > Charles Bryant Patient > Boston, MA. 02114 > > Thanks so much for praying! > C's sister > Lois > From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Fri Feb 4 04:00:01 2005 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:00:01 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: re: Gear making question - reply thanks Message-ID: <20050204120002.93996.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> Re my gear cutting question. Thanks Rich, Dan and Reg for the info. Graham, Oz Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Feb 4 05:20:01 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:20:01 EST Subject: [SEL] fatg on the move ? Message-ID: <82.20ff9cea.2f34d081@aol.com> <> Looks like the folding type ramps would be difficult to use for loading and unloading! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From sutter6 at bigpond.net.au Fri Feb 4 05:43:54 2005 From: sutter6 at bigpond.net.au (sutter) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 00:43:54 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Bamford EV1 valve timing Message-ID: <000c01c50abf$92c284e0$0100000a@rodfew3c793iy9> Hello SEL I am in the process of re-assembling a Bamford 2hp vertical EV1 engine. The large cam gear has a "drill" mark that lines up with the top of the cam on the other side - it seems to be for timing purposes. My question is - what do you line this mark up with ? - I have 3 of these gears and they all have the same mark. There are no marks on the crankshaft gear ( I have 3 crankshafts as well). I do have the instruction manual which has a timing diagram ie. Ex. closing 8 degrees after TDC - IN opening 8 degrees BTDC etc. - but makes no mention of any timing marks. The 2 valves are opening around when they should be (Ex - 45 - before BDC , In - 8 before TDC ) but seem to be closing too soon ie. Ex is closing around 15 degrees before TDC not 8 degrees after TDC and In is closing around 15 degrees after BDC not 45 degrees after BDC - the cam is new (old stock) and cam slippers are in OK condition. I have set the tappet clearances at TDC on compression at .030 as per book. When pulling the engine to bits I did mark the gears and reinstalled them the same way but the timing seems out - if I move the cam gear one or two teeth it will throw the valve openings out which seem pretty right at the moment. Any suggestions from Bamford experts or any one else would be great and should the cam gear timing mark line up with anything ? Thanks Rod Sutter Melbourne, Australia sutter6 at bigpond.net.au 03 9763 9235 From curt at imc-group.com Fri Feb 4 06:46:25 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 09:46:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Black & Decker Valve Facer Manual In-Reply-To: <1d7.35c6ab48.2f3441f4@aol.com> References: <1d7.35c6ab48.2f3441f4@aol.com> Message-ID: <42038AC1.2060805@imc-group.com> Francis, Brother in law works for the DeWalt factory so I asked him for assistance for your grinder manual. He suggested this website for he didn't know who at B&D to contact. He also said: Try this link. Do not know if it will help, but it's the first place to go. A B&D or DeWalt Service center should be able to help him as well (locations can be found on same site). The tool he described is a consumer group product and since we do not make any power tools here for that group, I really do not know who a contact could be. Best bet is try the web site. May need to sign in, but should be able to get schematics, part numbers, drawings etc. from there. Hope this helps, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: >Hi List, >My older model Black & Decker valve face grinder is nearly operational. The >main electrical feed cord and the interconnecting electrical cords to the >three motors were replaced as the old ones were deteriorating. Additionally, >the static ground wires (green lead) were added to each motor as the original >only had the base grounded. Two of the vee belts are in process of being >replaced as soon as the parts house can get the correct ones. The partially >rusted coolant tank had to be welded and brazed in three corners and one baffle >spot weld. Tomorrow, the interior of this coolant tank will be coated with a > two part epoxy paint. > >Does anyone know where I obtain a manual for this machine? It is a Black & >Decker, Type NWB, Size 9/16". A copy or reprint would be OK. Thanks. > > > From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Feb 4 06:59:55 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:59:55 EST Subject: [SEL] Black & Decker Valve Facer Manual Message-ID: In a message dated 2/4/2005 6:58:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: Best bet is try the web site. May need to sign in, but should be able to get schematics, part numbers, drawings etc. from there. Curt, Thanks for the information. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 4 07:25:08 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:25:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT - AC Mains Supplies in the USA & English Iron In-Reply-To: References: <200502040134.j141YCqT026097@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Hiya Peter, So are ya gonna ship a whole bunch of Olde English Iron in the container with that transformer? There might be some interested folks on this side of the pond. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Fri, 4 Feb 2005, Peter A Forbes wrote: > On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:34:08 -0800, you wrote: > > Thanks, Jim. The transformer is about 1.45 tons finished weight.... From prepair at easynet.co.uk Fri Feb 4 07:42:27 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 15:42:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT - AC Mains Supplies in the USA & English Iron In-Reply-To: References: <200502040134.j141YCqT026097@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6t57011u7mk5n5bnjvbeitmno0o3unjkde@4ax.com> On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:25:08 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >Hiya Peter, > >So are ya gonna ship a whole bunch of Olde English Iron in the container >with that transformer? There might be some interested folks on this >side of the pond. 8-)) > >See ya, Arnie Interesting thought :-)) It will be going direct to R-R in this country if it goes ahead, they will do the final shipping. Are you and Dave still thinking on going to Tulare? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Fri Feb 4 10:49:03 2005 From: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 18:49:03 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Ruston Manual Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040204204514.009b70d0@127.0.0.1> Thanks Nick and Peter but I have previously contacted Ray Hooley and he was unable to help me at that time. Best regards Jerry Evans Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Tel. +27 16 365-5787 --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Feb 4 13:35:22 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:35:22 EST Subject: [SEL] safe-OT Message-ID: <7f.570e0833.2f35449a@aol.com> A while back there were some discussions about opening safes and it seemed there were some experts in this field. Would one of the experts contact me off list about an old "Cary Safe" that the dial will not turn. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Feb 4 16:05:38 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:05:38 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Ecomomy paint Message-ID: <20050204.160539.1460.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I want to paint my Economy engine; Wendel gives Dulux 674 as the color. My paint guy can match that in a multi part paint, but I am going to paint it in stages. That would make mixing small quantities and throwing a lot away. Does anyone have a suggestion for a paint like Rultoleum that could be tinted to be close? Regal Red doesn't seem too far off. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri Feb 4 18:14:29 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:14:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT 1930 IH truck Message-ID: <004701c50b28$6cfdd8e0$44ecf504@x8h7l9> Somebody had a post about a 1928 IH truck and I can't find it. My friend has a 1930 IH 1 ton, 6 speed special if some one wants it. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT From glenn.karch at gte.net Fri Feb 4 19:35:44 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:35:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ecomomy paint References: <20050204.160539.1460.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <001d01c50b33$c8bd1640$d029ea41@oemcomputer> Ron, Rust O Leum Regal Red (formerly IHC Red) is as offical as any red color for an Economy engine. Back in the days when your engine was built, there was a guy with a barrel and a boat oar mixing ingredients to make the paint color so it was not always consistant. The Sears catalog stated that the Sparta Economy engines were painted vermilion. Can translate that and be exact? Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 6:05 PM Subject: [SEL] Ecomomy paint > Hi all. > I want to paint my Economy engine; Wendel gives Dulux 674 as the color. > My paint guy can match that in a multi part paint, but I am going to > paint it in stages. That would make mixing small quantities and throwing > a lot away. Does anyone have a suggestion for a paint like Rultoleum > that could be tinted to be close? Regal Red doesn't seem too far off. > Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Feb 4 22:13:42 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:13:42 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Ecomomy paint Message-ID: <20050204.221344.1048.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Glenn. I have the Regal Red in rattle can and quart on hand. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:35:44 -0600 "Glenn A Karch" writes: > Ron, > > Rust O Leum Regal Red (formerly IHC Red) is as offical as any red > color for > an Economy engine. Back in the days when your engine was built, > there was a > guy with a barrel and a boat oar mixing ingredients to make the > paint color > so it was not always consistant. The Sears catalog stated that the > Sparta > Economy engines were painted vermilion. Can translate that and be > exact? > > Glenn > > Glenn Karch > Haubstadt, IN, USA > Hercules Historian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 6:05 PM > Subject: [SEL] Ecomomy paint > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Feb 4 23:57:45 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:57:45 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Bamford EV1 valve timing In-Reply-To: <000c01c50abf$92c284e0$0100000a@rodfew3c793iy9> Message-ID: <200502050757.j157vlHE081203@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Any suggestions from Bamford experts or any one else would be > great and > should the cam gear timing mark line up with anything ? Hi Rod, It's been my experience that the early engine builders didn't have the same beliefs regarding valve timing that we have. And honestly, it's not super critical with our slow running engines. If the exhaust opens at 25 degrees rather than 45, the gases still have plently of time to evacuate the cylinder. After all, you're not building a nitro burning funny car. In fact, later is probably better. If it was me, I'd retard everything fifteen degrees and call it good. Also, remember that the rate of piston movement is a sine function. The closer the piston is to 0 or 180 degrees after TDC, the closer the velocity of the piston is to zero. A few degrees either way isn't going to make a rat's googly. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 4 21:35:45 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 00:35:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Upright Steam Engine on eBay (#3871782941) Message-ID: <1107581745.42045b31873e6@webmail.city-net.com> The description is amusing if nothing else. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Upright Steam engine hit & miss flywheel governor Item number: 3871782941 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Seller: motosicky(333) Current bid: US $305.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Time left: 7 days 18 hours 10-day listing Ends Feb-12-0515:32:04 PST ----------------------------------------------------------------- Summary  STEAM POWER!  #153-ON TOP OF CYLINDER AND ALSO ON STEAM CHEST?,PATENT DATES ON GOV.1907,PATENT DATE ON OILER 1919. approx. 44" tall to the cylinder top, 20" flywheel. Gardner governor turns stiffly , appears to have been repaired on side but may be the way it was manufactured~ your call! crosshead is grease covered and complete.flywheel is not broken, injector works fine and sights are good as well as the crank. will be bolted to a pallet for shipper of choice -shipping full responsibility of buyer. we will load with forklift ,governor and injector will be shipped separately to keep damage down. approx. weight 500lbs. maybe more. pick up must be pre -arranged so we can prepare item. thanks. ANY QUESTIONS ? ASK!!On Feb-03-05 at 04:42:25 PST, seller added the following information: serial number on gov. best i can see- 291883On Feb-03-05 at 05:07:50 PST, seller added the following information: tried to delete a date listed on governor-CORRECT DATE IS: PAT'D 1-22-07  . On Feb-03-05 at 06:44:45 PST, seller added the following information: zip is 43948 ohio, we do have a forklift. payment will be made in FULL . cashiers checks require a 3 day hold.On Feb-03-05 at 09:26:21 PST, seller added the following information: auction will end early if no interest .On Feb-03-05 at 12:55:11 PST, seller added the following information: this definately belongs in a restaurant or turn of the century barn-museum collection. highly unusual piece for the discriminating Professional Engineer /Architect or person that thinks they have it all!  we can also restore this(we can conceal a electric motor to power ) , blast/ rework,paint /plate to your specs! this is rare american foundry cast equipment that will only be found in private collections and books. this most likely powered a small work shop or mill at one time.Even the lady of the house can use this in her garden! indoors or out. keep buying foreign junk-thats something from our heritage to leave in the estate? jobs lost!On Feb-03-05 at 18:48:25 PST, seller added the following information: item does NOT have to be moved immediately. its in the back of the machine shop out of the way. we hold for a reasonable amount of time(90 days) with full payment .or until you figure out how to tell the misses that you just happened to get a good deal on this and kinda almost forgot about it and decided to take her with you up to Niagra Falls for a rekindled honeymoon and just have to take a slight detour to fetch a small motor for your good ole buddy and then you 'll be on your way-(only about 4 hrs. away!) course you also could go by that Famous basket factory and even see all the flea markets and amish people ... c'mon you aint even lying ,thats the best part! ----------------------------------------------------------------- From prepair at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 5 00:11:50 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (prepair at easynet.co.uk) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:11:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Bamford EV1 valve timing In-Reply-To: <200502050757.j157vlHE081203@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502050757.j157vlHE081203@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <1107591110.42047fc6269d1@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Quoting Rob Skinner : > > > Any suggestions from Bamford experts or any one else would be > > great and > > should the cam gear timing mark line up with anything ? > > Hi Rod, > It's been my experience that the early engine builders didn't have the same > beliefs regarding valve timing that we have. And honestly, it's not super > critical with our slow running engines. If the exhaust opens at 25 degrees > rather than 45, the gases still have plently of time to evacuate the > cylinder. > After all, you're not building a nitro burning funny car. In fact, later is > probably better. > > If it was me, I'd retard everything fifteen degrees and call it good. Also, > remember that the rate of piston movement is a sine function. The closer > the > piston is to 0 or 180 degrees after TDC, the closer the velocity of the > piston > is to zero. A few degrees either way isn't going to make a rat's googly. > > Rob I haven't got the EV1 timing information, but the later EG series were basically the same engine with a batter internal governor mechanism etc. They had a single cam, in common with a lot of other engines, and the timing is as follows: Inlet valve opens 8 degrees BTDC Inlet valve closes 45 degress ABDC Exhaust valve opens 45 degrees BBDC Exhaust valve closes 8 degrees ATDC The book says that slight adjustments to the valve timing is effected by adjusting the tappets! no tappet clearances are given. The single cam is obviously symmetrical, the valve timing differences being obtained by the position of the followers. HTH Peter -- Peter Forbes prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk --------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 5 09:26:14 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 17:26:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Bamford EV1 valve timing In-Reply-To: <1107591110.42047fc6269d1@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> References: <200502050757.j157vlHE081203@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <1107591110.42047fc6269d1@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:11:50 +0000, you wrote: >Quoting Rob Skinner : >I haven't got the EV1 timing information, but the later EG series were basically >the same engine with a batter internal governor mechanism etc. They had a single >cam, in common with a lot of other engines, and the timing is as follows: Try a 'better' governor !! :-)) Gees, I sent that at 08.11 this morning... where's it been all day?? Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Feb 5 15:23:56 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:23:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Bamford EV1 valve timing Message-ID: <20050205.152357.1520.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Rob. Is this one of the new scientific terms that Arnie taught you? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:57:45 -0800 "Rob Skinner" writes: ..................................... A few degrees either way isn't going to make a rat's > googly. > > Rob > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Feb 5 22:35:31 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:35:31 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Bamford EV1 valve timing In-Reply-To: <20050205.152357.1520.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <200502060635.j166ZW1g055795@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Is this one of the new scientific terms that Arnie taught you? It originated with a lesson from our beloved Pommy Grammar Mistress combined with American Colloquialism. The result is something that makes no sense regardless of which side of the pond one resides. From sutter6 at bigpond.net.au Sat Feb 5 22:39:02 2005 From: sutter6 at bigpond.net.au (sutter) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:39:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Bamford Valve Timing Message-ID: <000001c50c16$8c491220$0100000a@rodfew3c793iy9> Thanks for the replies - Your right - 8 degrees BTDC is not much different to 8 degrees ATDC - the piston hardly moves. I think I will finish putting it together and leave the cam gear where it is - as I said the both valves seem to be opening pretty much when they should - they just close a bit too early. I was trying to avoid assembling all the freshly painted parts and then having to pull it to bits again to alter the valve timing. These Bamford engines seem fairly common ( in Aust.) but there is not much info available that I can find except for the parts / instruction manual which doesn't mention how to line up the cam gear etc. The EV1 ang EG1 are very similar except for the Governor (External/Internal) and the Main bearings and caps (split shells/bushes - 2bolt/4 bolt). Rod Sutter Melbourne, Australia sutter6 at bigpond.net.au 03 9763 9235 From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat Feb 5 23:25:43 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 07:25:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Bamford EV1 valve timing References: <200502060635.j166ZW1g055795@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <4205C677.6BCB9894@insulate.co.uk> It make a lot of sense to the rat! Rob Skinner wrote: > > It originated with a lesson from our beloved Pommy Grammar Mistress combined > with American Colloquialism. The result is something that makes no sense > regardless of which side of the pond one resides. > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From wrl at gwltd.com Sun Feb 6 13:51:28 2005 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:51:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing Message-ID: <006501c50c96$09a4cc30$0500005a@laptop> Where can I buy old fashion belt dressing? This weekend as the weather was so nice 56 and sunny here. Western Illinois. I thought I had better make good use of it. So Friday morning after I fed my Chickens and the dog, and while the ground was frozen somewhat. I moved all my equipment in place, so on Saturday I could grind some chicken feed. I use my John Deere 48 b and an old Letz 220 grinder, anyone ever was one of these. Works real well, only trouble I have is that I don't have any good belt dressing. I was using a spray can of dressing, but it's not for big belts. If I put to much corn in the hopper I would loose traction and things would GRIND to a halt. My daughter took some pictures, and I uploaded them to my server if you would like to have a look. So any one know where I can order the good stuff? www.w9wrl.com/ebay/1.jpg www.w9wrl.com/ebay/2.jpg www.w9wrl.com/ebay/3.jpg www.w9wrl.com/ebay/4.jpg J. Dave Mayfield www.w9wrl.com From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Sun Feb 6 16:51:49 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:51:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <006501c50c96$09a4cc30$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <001b01c50caf$357690a0$71601f40@ibm22761389857> I would try Tractor Supply - Farm and Fleet or other farm supply stores. Also any belting/transmission place. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Mayfield" To: Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 16:51 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing Where can I buy old fashion belt dressing? This weekend as the weather was so nice 56 and sunny here. Western Illinois. I thought I had better make good use of it. So Friday morning after I fed my Chickens and the dog, and while the ground was frozen somewhat. I moved all my equipment in place, so on Saturday I could grind some chicken feed. I use my John Deere 48 b and an old Letz 220 grinder, anyone ever was one of these. Works real well, only trouble I have is that I don't have any good belt dressing. I was using a spray can of dressing, but it's not for big belts. If I put to much corn in the hopper I would loose traction and things would GRIND to a halt. My daughter took some pictures, and I uploaded them to my server if you would like to have a look. So any one know where I can order the good stuff? www.w9wrl.com/ebay/1.jpg www.w9wrl.com/ebay/2.jpg www.w9wrl.com/ebay/3.jpg www.w9wrl.com/ebay/4.jpg J. Dave Mayfield www.w9wrl.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 6 17:34:04 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:34:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Latest on Charlie Bryant Message-ID: <015901c50cb5$1dd465c0$230110ac@PAUL> Below is the latest update on our good friend Charlie. Tomorrow is his big day and he is counting on all of his friends prayers and best wishes to pull him through this. Please remember him tonight when you go to the Lord in prayer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" To: Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: Latest on Charlie > Greetings from Maine again! > Yesterday, Charlie was entertained with more tests! If all bring good > reports and if schedule doesn't get changed, the Assistant surgeon told > him he would have the surgery Monday. They anticipate removing the old > leads--not successful when laser was tried, remove the present pacemaker > and do replacement of the aortic valve. Guess he has a busy surgeon as > was told he did 5 a week!! He seems to be in better spirits. Has some > appetite and no longer says he feels awful! Good news! > > Thanks for your prayers and don't give up. Will keep you posted of > anything new. > Charlie's sister, > Lois > PS Gene Lapointe would like to be put on the list > e-mail--newbsthl at fidnet.com > From old_iron at msn.com Sun Feb 6 18:40:53 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:40:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT PayPal problem email-Check out the reply date!! Message-ID: Hey list members who use Paypal. Check out the date on this one!!! What idiots!!! Even leap year only has 29 days!!! Just had to share!!! Peg Pfeiffer Dear valued PayPal? member: PayPal? is committed to maintaining a safe environment for its community of buyers and sellers. To protect the security of your account, PayPal employs some of the most advanced security systems in the world and our anti-fraud teams regularly screen the PayPal system for unusual activity. Recently, our Account Review Team identified some unusual activity in your account. In accordance with PayPal's User Agreement and to ensure that your account has not been compromised, access to your account was limited. Your account access will remain limited until this issue has been resolved. This is a fraud prevention measure meant to ensure that your account is not compromised. In order to secure your account and quickly restore full access, we may require some specific information from you for the following reason: We would like to ensure that your account was not accessed by an unauthorized third party. 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We apologize for any inconvenience. Sincerely, PayPal? Account Review Department PayPal Email ID Accounts Management As outlined in our User Agreement, PayPal will periodically send you information about site changes and enhancements. Visit our Privacy Policy and User Agreement if you have any questions. http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/policy_privacy-outside From nick at holden1.net Sun Feb 6 20:57:32 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 04:57:32 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Re paypal Message-ID: <4206F53C.000003.02932@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Maybe spoof email worth reporting as they want details of your account nick Get All Your Mobile Phone Accessories at www.nicksphoneunlockingshop.co.uk From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Feb 6 21:53:39 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 05:53:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT PayPal problem email-Check out the reply date!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:40:53 -0600, you wrote: >Hey list members who use Paypal. > >Check out the date on this one!!! > >What idiots!!! > >Even leap year only has 29 days!!! > > >Just had to share!!! > > >Peg Pfeiffer It's a phishing email, Peg, foward it to spoof at paypal.com Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Feb 6 22:42:18 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:42:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <006501c50c96$09a4cc30$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <200502070642.j176gXvp097961@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Where can I buy old fashion belt dressing? > > This weekend as the weather was so nice 56 and sunny here. > Western Illinois. I thought I had better make good use of it. > So Friday morning after I fed my Chickens and the dog, and > while the ground was frozen somewhat. I moved all my > equipment in place, so on Saturday I could grind some chicken > feed. I use my John Deere 48 b and an old Letz 220 grinder, > anyone ever was one of these. Works real well, only trouble I > have is that I don't have any good belt dressing. I was using > a spray can of dressing, but it's not for big belts. If I put > to much corn in the hopper I would loose traction and things > would GRIND to a halt. My daughter took some pictures, and I > uploaded them to my server if you would like to have a look. > So any one know where I can order the good stuff? Hi Dave, Thanks for sharing the pictures! My source of stick dressing dried up, so I can't help you with that. But looking at the last picture, I notice that the pulley is twice as wide as the belt. The amount of work a flat belt can transmit is directly proportional to it's width. Get a belt of the proper width, and your slippage problems will be alleviated. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Feb 7 00:12:48 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:12:48 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <200502070642.j176gXvp097961@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000f01c50d0d$43505040$97cc3dca@ogborneuah38i3> I have heard that good old molasses works . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Belt Dressing > >> Where can I buy old fashion belt dressing? >> >> This weekend as the weather was so nice 56 and sunny here. >> Western Illinois. I thought I had better make good use of it. >> So Friday morning after I fed my Chickens and the dog, and >> while the ground was frozen somewhat. I moved all my >> equipment in place, so on Saturday I could grind some chicken >> feed. I use my John Deere 48 b and an old Letz 220 grinder, >> anyone ever was one of these. Works real well, only trouble I >> have is that I don't have any good belt dressing. I was using >> a spray can of dressing, but it's not for big belts. If I put >> to much corn in the hopper I would loose traction and things >> would GRIND to a halt. My daughter took some pictures, and I >> uploaded them to my server if you would like to have a look. >> So any one know where I can order the good stuff? > > Hi Dave, > Thanks for sharing the pictures! > > My source of stick dressing dried up, so I can't help you with that. But > looking at the last picture, I notice that the pulley is twice as wide as > the > belt. The amount of work a flat belt can transmit is directly > proportional to > it's width. Get a belt of the proper width, and your slippage problems > will be > alleviated. > > Rob > > > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Feb 7 04:57:43 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 04:57:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT PayPal problem email-Check out the reply date!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20685.165.206.180.118.1107781063.squirrel@165.206.180.118> They may be idiots but you can trust that as of now they have stolen the account numbers and personal information of thousands of bigger idiots who believe these messages and respond - giving away their information. No one - not paypal, not ebay, not any bank, etc. EVER EVER EVER asks for informaton or account verification. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phishing http://antiphishing.org/ Take a CLOSE look at the links - the url's they REALLY go to are not paypal, and in the case of ebay, are not ebay, etc. It only looks like they are, and IE browser makes it worse by NOT accurately reflecting the URL that you are redirected to. (It's another reason to not use IE, too) Bill > Hey list members who use Paypal. > > Check out the date on this one!!! > > What idiots!!! > > Even leap year only has 29 days!!! > > > Just had to share!!! > > > Peg Pfeiffer > > > > > Dear valued PayPal? member: > > > > > > PayPal? is committed to maintaining a safe environment for its community > of > buyers and sellers. To protect the security of your account, PayPal > employs > some of the most advanced security systems in the world and our anti-fraud > teams regularly screen the PayPal system for unusual activity. > > Recently, our Account Review Team identified some unusual activity in your > account. In accordance with PayPal's User Agreement and to ensure that > your > account has not been compromised, access to your account was limited. Your > account access will remain limited until this issue has been resolved. > This > is a fraud prevention measure meant to ensure that your account is not > compromised. > > In order to secure your account and quickly restore full access, we may > require some specific information from you for the following reason: > > We would like to ensure that your account was not accessed by an > unauthorized third party. Because protecting the security of your account > is our primary concern, we have limited access to sensitive PayPal account > features. We understand that this may be an inconvenience but please > understand that this temporary limitation is for your protection. > > Case ID Number: > > We encourage you to log in and restore full access as soon as possible. > Should access to your account remain limited for an extended period of > time, it may result in further limitations on the use of your account. > > However, failure to restore your records will result in account > suspension. > Please update your records on or before February 30, 2005. > > Once you have updated your account records, your PayPal session will not > be > interrupted and will continue as normal. > > To update your Paypal records click on the following link: > https://www.paypal.com > > > > Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter. Please understand that > this is a security measure meant to help protect you and your account. We > apologize for any inconvenience. > > > Sincerely, > PayPal? Account Review Department > > > > PayPal Email ID > > > Accounts Management As outlined in our User Agreement, PayPal will > periodically send you information about site changes and enhancements. > > Visit our Privacy Policy and User Agreement if you have any questions. > http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/policy_privacy-outside > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wrl at gwltd.com Mon Feb 7 05:00:48 2005 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:00:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <200502070642.j176gXvp097961@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <00e801c50d15$0fc8f670$0500005a@laptop> You are right Rob, but you did not consider that the pulley on a JD B, is much smaller than the puller on the grinder, so the belt is the proper size. J. Dave Mayfield www.w9wrl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 12:42 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Belt Dressing > > > Where can I buy old fashion belt dressing? > > > > This weekend as the weather was so nice 56 and sunny here. > > Western Illinois. I thought I had better make good use of it. > > So Friday morning after I fed my Chickens and the dog, and > > while the ground was frozen somewhat. I moved all my > > equipment in place, so on Saturday I could grind some chicken > > feed. I use my John Deere 48 b and an old Letz 220 grinder, > > anyone ever was one of these. Works real well, only trouble I > > have is that I don't have any good belt dressing. I was using > > a spray can of dressing, but it's not for big belts. If I put > > to much corn in the hopper I would loose traction and things > > would GRIND to a halt. My daughter took some pictures, and I > > uploaded them to my server if you would like to have a look. > > So any one know where I can order the good stuff? > > Hi Dave, > Thanks for sharing the pictures! > > My source of stick dressing dried up, so I can't help you with that. But > looking at the last picture, I notice that the pulley is twice as wide as the > belt. The amount of work a flat belt can transmit is directly proportional to > it's width. Get a belt of the proper width, and your slippage problems will be > alleviated. > > Rob > > > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Feb 7 07:09:47 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:09:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <00e801c50d15$0fc8f670$0500005a@laptop> References: <200502070642.j176gXvp097961@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <00e801c50d15$0fc8f670$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <420784BB.3060609@imc-group.com> J. Dave, Somewhere on Rob's rustyiron website is a great article on the HP that can be transmitted with any given combination of belt width, driven pulley diameter, driver pulley diameter, and speed. I believe it would be a safe statement that reliance on belt dressing is necessary only when exceeding the permissible HP the calculations/charts show. That statement will likely stir up some debate, but I've found that by following these belt HP transmission guidelines, I've never had to use belt dressing. Perhaps Rob can post the link. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Dave Mayfield wrote: >You are right Rob, but you did not consider that the pulley on a JD B, is >much smaller than the puller on the grinder, so the belt is the proper size. > >J. Dave Mayfield >www.w9wrl.com > > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Feb 7 07:52:22 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:52:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <420784BB.3060609@imc-group.com> References: <200502070642.j176gXvp097961@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <00e801c50d15$0fc8f670$0500005a@laptop> <420784BB.3060609@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <21452.165.206.180.118.1107791542.squirrel@165.206.180.118> blood may make a great belt dressing - makes the belt and pulley really sticky as it starts to dry. I know it makes phones really sticky, especially the 9 and 1 keys and handset. Bill > J. Dave, > Somewhere on Rob's rustyiron website is a great article on the HP that > can be transmitted with any given combination of belt width, driven > pulley diameter, driver pulley diameter, and speed. I believe it would > be a safe statement that reliance on belt dressing is necessary only > when exceeding the permissible HP the calculations/charts show. That > statement will likely stir up some debate, but I've found that by > following these belt HP transmission guidelines, I've never had to use > belt dressing. > Perhaps Rob can post the link. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Dave Mayfield wrote: > >>You are right Rob, but you did not consider that the pulley on a JD B, is >>much smaller than the puller on the grinder, so the belt is the proper >> size. >> >>J. Dave Mayfield >>www.w9wrl.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Feb 7 08:30:04 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:30:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <00e801c50d15$0fc8f670$0500005a@laptop> References: <200502070642.j176gXvp097961@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <00e801c50d15$0fc8f670$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050207112911.02547008@mail.alltel.net> At 08:00 AM 2/7/2005, you wrote: >You are right Rob, but you did not consider that the pulley on a JD B, is >much smaller than the puller on the grinder, so the belt is the proper size. > >J. Dave Mayfield Hi J. Dave, Perhaps you should look for a belt that is bigger on just one end! Dave From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Mon Feb 7 09:28:21 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:28:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <200502070642.j176gXvp097961@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><00e801c50d15$0fc8f670$0500005a@laptop> <420784BB.3060609@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <009501c50d3a$ccb7f7c0$a0631f40@ibm22761389857> Automatic transmission fluid will work in a pinch for belt dressing. I know it sounds crazy but I tried it anyway and was surprised. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 10:09 Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing > J. Dave, > Somewhere on Rob's rustyiron website is a great article on the HP that > can be transmitted with any given combination of belt width, driven > pulley diameter, driver pulley diameter, and speed. I believe it would > be a safe statement that reliance on belt dressing is necessary only > when exceeding the permissible HP the calculations/charts show. That > statement will likely stir up some debate, but I've found that by > following these belt HP transmission guidelines, I've never had to use > belt dressing. > Perhaps Rob can post the link. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Dave Mayfield wrote: > > >You are right Rob, but you did not consider that the pulley on a JD B, is > >much smaller than the puller on the grinder, so the belt is the proper size. > > > >J. Dave Mayfield > >www.w9wrl.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Feb 7 10:07:54 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:07:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <420784BB.3060609@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200502071807.j17I7v5k094443@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > when exceeding the permissible HP the calculations/charts show. That > statement will likely stir up some debate, but I've found that by > following these belt HP transmission guidelines, I've never > had to use belt dressing. Here's the belt info: http://engines.rustyiron.com/rig/belting.html Another possibility is to slow down the B as far as you can. Horsepower is directly related to speed. Slow the grinder down and it's horsepower requirements will go down accordingly. That is assuming a feed rate proportional to SPEED. If the feed rate is related to TIME, then you'll be requiring a greater load, and there will be too many variables to predict what will happen. But as long as we're talking about feed rate, why not just feed the grain in at a slower rate so there is less load on the belt and it will not be as prone to slippage? =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Feb 7 12:37:46 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:37:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <200502071807.j17I7v5k094443@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000501c50d54$e23ba1e0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> I did alot of grinding at shows with my McCormick-Deering type D feed grinder. I run it with a six horse M, but my experience is the rpm's of the grinder are very important for a good grinding process. At this Url you can see the different pulley dia's and rpm's. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/grinderpulleysdiameters.htm John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Here's the belt info: > http://engines.rustyiron.com/rig/belting.html > > Another possibility is to slow down the B as far as you can. Horsepower is > directly related to speed. Slow the grinder down and it's horsepower > requirements will go down accordingly. > > That is assuming a feed rate proportional to SPEED. If the feed rate is related > to TIME, then you'll be requiring a greater load, and there will be too many > variables to predict what will happen. > > But as long as we're talking about feed rate, why not just feed the grain in at > a slower rate so there is less load on the belt and it will not be as prone to > slippage? > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brianne at ultratune.com.au Mon Feb 7 14:03:51 2005 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:03:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Phishing Message-ID: <005a01c50d60$e96e0410$43c5dccb@pcuser> Hi Guys Any email asking you to log in with id and password is supect if you did not request it. I have installed "Spoofstick" and I instantly can double check that the address in the address bar is genuine or not. There are other ways to check this, but this utility is ace. Please see below. >Hey list members who use Paypal.Check out the date on this one!!! >What idiots!!!Even leap year only has 29 days!!!Just had to share!!! >Peg Pfeiffer Here is some useful info related to PHISHING. You need to be aware that this exists. Click on this link to find out more phishing . Info from Cloudeight Here's a free tool that we can recommend to you to help you avoid being sucked in by a phishing scam (although it should be the last line of defense because you should be relying on GOCS to protect you - see today's RANT ). It's called Spoof Stick and it's highly recommended by us and many others. It is a BHO (oh no! but it's a good and benign BHO - Browser Helper Object) that installs into Internet Explorer and verifies that the site you think you're on is really the site you're on - before you go typing in any personal data. You can read more about and/or download (it's free) Spoof Stick by clicking here. Brian Taylor Hervey Bay Historical Museum 13 Zephyr St..Scarness Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Feb 7 14:30:12 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:30:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing OT References: <200502070642.j176gXvp097961@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><00e801c50d15$0fc8f670$0500005a@laptop> <6.1.2.0.0.20050207112911.02547008@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002601c50d64$971bcf40$d63354d2@cam> Hi Dave, Who makes them. Cam Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 3:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing > At 08:00 AM 2/7/2005, you wrote: > >You are right Rob, but you did not consider that the pulley on a JD B, is > >much smaller than the puller on the grinder, so the belt is the proper size. > > > >J. Dave Mayfield > > Hi J. Dave, Perhaps you should look for a belt that is bigger on just one end! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Feb 7 15:44:41 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:44:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing OT References: <200502070642.j176gXvp097961@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><00e801c50d15$0fc8f670$0500005a@laptop><6.1.2.0.0.20050207112911.02547008@mail.alltel.net> <002601c50d64$971bcf40$d63354d2@cam> Message-ID: <002f01c50d6e$ff7134e0$ee85dccb@oemcomputer> I can make you one but you have to state wether you want it wider at one end or thicker.The later is OK but the belt tends to bump a little.With both styles a good solid belt guard is recommended or have an ambulance on standbye. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:30 Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing OT > Hi Dave, Who makes them. Cam > Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford NSW > Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 3:30 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing > > > > At 08:00 AM 2/7/2005, you wrote: > > >You are right Rob, but you did not consider that the pulley on a JD B, is > > >much smaller than the puller on the grinder, so the belt is the proper > size. > > > > > >J. Dave Mayfield > > > > Hi J. Dave, Perhaps you should look for a belt that is bigger on just one > end! > > Dave > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Feb 7 16:16:21 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:16:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing OT References: <200502070642.j176gXvp097961@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><00e801c50d15$0fc8f670$0500005a@laptop><6.1.2.0.0.20050207112911.02547008@mail.alltel.net><002601c50d64$971bcf40$d63354d2@cam> <002f01c50d6e$ff7134e0$ee85dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <005401c50d73$6bafa340$d63354d2@cam> I should have known better than to go passed you Edd. (the engine whisperer). How's the health Mate. Catchya Cam Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing OT > I can make you one but you have to state wether you want it wider at one end > or thicker.The later is OK but the belt tends to bump a little.With both > styles a good solid belt guard is recommended or have an ambulance on > standbye. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cameron Grundy" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:30 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing OT > > > > Hi Dave, Who makes them. Cam > > Cam and Edwina Grundy > > Kariong > > Gosford NSW > > Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dave Rotigel" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 3:30 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing > > > > > > > At 08:00 AM 2/7/2005, you wrote: > > > >You are right Rob, but you did not consider that the pulley on a JD B, > is > > > >much smaller than the puller on the grinder, so the belt is the proper > > size. > > > > > > > >J. Dave Mayfield > > > > > > Hi J. Dave, Perhaps you should look for a belt that is bigger on just > one > > end! > > > Dave > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 7 16:18:59 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:18:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <006501c50c96$09a4cc30$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <20050208001859.45142.qmail@web61301.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Dave, Ya just missed a stick on the Charity Auction. Maybe it is the last know stick anywhere,,,, Shoulda bid,,,, I did,,,, 8>)) Alan Bowen --- Dave Mayfield wrote: > Where can I buy old fashion belt dressing? > > This weekend as the weather was so nice 56 and sunny here. Western Illinois. I thought I had > better make good use of it. So Friday morning after I fed my Chickens and the dog, and while the > ground was frozen somewhat. I moved all my equipment in place, so on Saturday I could grind some > chicken feed. I use my John Deere 48 b and an old Letz 220 grinder, anyone ever was one of > these. Works real well, only trouble I have is that I don't have any good belt dressing. I was > using a spray can of dressing, but it's not for big belts. If I put to much corn in the hopper I > would loose traction and things would GRIND to a halt. My daughter took some pictures, and I > uploaded them to my server if you would like to have a look. So any one know where I can order > the good stuff? > > > www.w9wrl.com/ebay/1.jpg > www.w9wrl.com/ebay/2.jpg > www.w9wrl.com/ebay/3.jpg > www.w9wrl.com/ebay/4.jpg > J. Dave Mayfield > www.w9wrl.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 7 17:55:20 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:55:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] identity theft attempt from fake PayPal Message-ID: <20050208015520.14659.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Peg Pfeiffer, Don't respond to that email, it is an attempt to steal your identity! Look up the real email address for PayPal on eBay, Alta Vista, Dogpile, Yahoo, etc., and forward it to the real PayPal fraud address so they can catch these thieving bastards! ===== Rich ~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\: From gkhass at avci.net Mon Feb 7 21:27:42 2005 From: gkhass at avci.net (Greg Hass) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 00:27:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <006501c50c96$09a4cc30$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20050208001238.00b3b898@avsin.avci.net> Sure enjoyed looking at the pictures. Brought back a lot of memories. We used to own a grinder like the one shown, however ours was PTO-driven and it went from the PTO shaft to the grinder with 5 V-belts. Before that we had belt-driven grinder that we ran for several years with a Farmall Super C. We would grind 100 bags a week with that grinder. Without being critical, I noticed in the pictures that the belt seemed awfully loose. When we had our grinder we had the wooden platform staked to the ground with 4 two-feet long stakes. Besides that we had a 10-foot plank which we would anchor against the frame of the grinder near the drive pulley. The end of the plank lying on the ground would be held by a 3-foot stake driven in the ground. We would then tighten the tractor into the belt until it was drum tight. Before this we would hire my uncles to fill our silo and the blower was driven with a belt. The same thing here - the blower was staked to the ground and the brace plank staked. However, their drive-belt was 100 feet long and just backing the tractor up enough to lift that long belt off the ground was more than enough tension on the pulleys to keep it from slipping. Quite a few years ago we had a sawmill in that the guy ran with a John Deere R. He had a belt about the same length as your grinder and ran the belt fairly loose so that he could take it off fairly easily at night without moving the tractor. However, the thing that made it work was that 3-ft. from the sawmill pulley and on top of the belt he had a 50 lb. idler pulley that would weight the belt down and act as an automatic tightener. I am just suggesting that one possible cause may be that the belt is too loose, althought belt dressing may also be factor. I'm not going that far back in history because we always seemed to be behind the times. While other people were using modern grinder/mixers and high capacity PTO-driven blowers, we were still in the belt era. Greg Hass From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Feb 7 21:34:38 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 23:34:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Latest on Charlie Bryant In-Reply-To: <015901c50cb5$1dd465c0$230110ac@PAUL> References: <015901c50cb5$1dd465c0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <42084F6E.1080602@fidnet.com> Paul, Any news about Charlie yet? Did he have surgery today? Gary Paul Maples wrote: > Below is the latest update on our good friend Charlie. Tomorrow is his > big day and he is counting on all of his friends prayers and best wishes > to pull him through this. Please remember him tonight when you go to the > Lord in prayer. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 11:13 AM > Subject: Latest on Charlie > > >> Greetings from Maine again! >> Yesterday, Charlie was entertained with more tests! If all bring good >> reports and if schedule doesn't get changed, the Assistant surgeon told >> him he would have the surgery Monday. They anticipate removing the old >> leads--not successful when laser was tried, remove the present pacemaker >> and do replacement of the aortic valve. Guess he has a busy surgeon as >> was told he did 5 a week!! He seems to be in better spirits. Has some >> appetite and no longer says he feels awful! Good news! >> >> Thanks for your prayers and don't give up. Will keep you posted of >> anything new. >> Charlie's sister, >> Lois >> PS Gene Lapointe would like to be put on the list >> e-mail--newbsthl at fidnet.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Feb 8 02:04:59 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 05:04:59 EST Subject: [SEL] Check out Rolls-Royce: Journey Through A Jet Engine Message-ID: <140.3da0a539.2f39e8cb@aol.com> Hi List, Here is an interesting web site which demonstrates the jet engine cycle. _Click here: Rolls-Royce: Journey Through A Jet Engine_ (http://www.rolls-royce.com/education/schools/journey/flash.html) http://www.rolls-royce.com/education/schools/journey/flash.html Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From bethell1 at iinet.net.au Tue Feb 8 02:13:15 2005 From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (jim bethell) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:13:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing OT References: <200502070642.j176gXvp097961@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><00e801c50d15$0fc8f670$0500005a@laptop><6.1.2.0.0.20050207112911.02547008@mail.alltel.net><002601c50d64$971bcf40$d63354d2@cam><002f01c50d6e$ff7134e0$ee85dccb@oemcomputer> 152960337 Message-ID: <004501c50dc6$ceec3740$8730d9cb@default> Cam and others, I can still get "neva slip" belt dressing through one of my work suppliers. We still use it on shearing plants that are belt drive from engine room to shearing board, believe me they are still out there!!!! Work cover has a long way way to go in Aus, regards Jim Jim Bethell Mildura "Gateway to the outback" bethell1 at iinet.net..au http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing OT > I should have known better than to go passed you Edd. (the engine > whisperer). How's the health Mate. Catchya Cam > Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford NSW > Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "edd payne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 10:44 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing OT > > > > I can make you one but you have to state wether you want it wider at one > end > > or thicker.The later is OK but the belt tends to bump a little.With both > > styles a good solid belt guard is recommended or have an ambulance on > > standbye. > > EDD PAYNE > > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > > 0263742387 > > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cameron Grundy" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:30 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing OT > > > > > > > Hi Dave, Who makes them. Cam > > > Cam and Edwina Grundy > > > Kariong > > > Gosford NSW > > > Australia > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dave Rotigel" > > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 3:30 AM > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing > > > > > > > > > > At 08:00 AM 2/7/2005, you wrote: > > > > >You are right Rob, but you did not consider that the pulley on a JD > B, > > is > > > > >much smaller than the puller on the grinder, so the belt is the > proper > > > size. > > > > > > > > > >J. Dave Mayfield > > > > > > > > Hi J. Dave, Perhaps you should look for a belt that is bigger on just > > one > > > end! > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SEL mailing list > > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 8 04:01:15 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:01:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Latest on Charlie Bryant References: <015901c50cb5$1dd465c0$230110ac@PAUL> <42084F6E.1080602@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <002d01c50dd5$e659b100$230110ac@PAUL> Good Morning Gary, The last news I got was late yesterday evening and he was still in surgery. I am checking my e-mail now to see if his sister has sent me anything. Just as soon as I hear I will let you know. Thanks for your concern. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Latest on Charlie Bryant > Paul, Any news about Charlie yet? Did he have surgery today? > > Gary > > Paul Maples wrote: >> Below is the latest update on our good friend Charlie. Tomorrow is his >> big day and he is counting on all of his friends prayers and best wishes >> to pull him through this. Please remember him tonight when you go to the >> Lord in prayer. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 11:13 AM >> Subject: Latest on Charlie >> >> >>> Greetings from Maine again! >>> Yesterday, Charlie was entertained with more tests! If all bring good >>> reports and if schedule doesn't get changed, the Assistant surgeon told >>> him he would have the surgery Monday. They anticipate removing the old >>> leads--not successful when laser was tried, remove the present pacemaker >>> and do replacement of the aortic valve. Guess he has a busy surgeon as >>> was told he did 5 a week!! He seems to be in better spirits. Has some >>> appetite and no longer says he feels awful! Good news! >>> >>> Thanks for your prayers and don't give up. Will keep you posted of >>> anything new. >>> Charlie's sister, >>> Lois >>> PS Gene Lapointe would like to be put on the list >>> e-mail--newbsthl at fidnet.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > -- > In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at > a leisurely pace. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 8 04:05:37 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:05:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant Update - So Far So Good Message-ID: <004301c50dd6$822c2220$230110ac@PAUL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:04 AM Subject: 10:20PM Report from Gail > Good Morning, > The report is Charles was not taken to surgery till 4PM and was taken to > ICU at 9:30PM. The surgeon called Gail. It was a risky surgery but all > was accomplished--when the old leads were removed there was a tear in > tricuspid valve so that had to be repaired, the pacemaker and leads of > present one was removed, the aortic valve was replaced by a biological > valve. He was kept in OR an extra hour to watch for any bleeding due to > the previous time in surgery. He was to be kept sedated throughout the > night and kept on ventilator. Will gradually let to awake. One of the > main concerns is to keep guard on infection so cultures will be taken at > frequent intervals. If all goes well, he will be there for a week and > then go to rehab. Please pray this will come to pass. > > Have not had any other word during the night. > > I have to leave in few minutes but will hopefully have another report by > later in the day. > > Thanks for your prayers and for cheering Charles and Evelyn on to happier > and healthier days!! > > Lois, C's sister > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Feb 8 04:31:12 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:31:12 +0800 Subject: [SEL] magneto repairs...Australia Message-ID: <000a01c50dda$16ef72b0$80cd3dca@ogborneuah38i3> Can someone give me an email address for the Maggy Man. Is it the same Alan Johnson. I just got home page up but it not giving an email address........thanks. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Feb 8 10:12:16 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:12:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Phishing In-Reply-To: <005a01c50d60$e96e0410$43c5dccb@pcuser> References: <005a01c50d60$e96e0410$43c5dccb@pcuser> Message-ID: <26687.165.206.180.118.1107886336.squirrel@165.206.180.118> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6919230/site/newsweek > Hi Guys > > Any email asking you to log in with id and password is supect if you did > not request it. > I have installed "Spoofstick" and I instantly can double check that the > address in the address bar is genuine or not. There are other ways to > check this, but this utility is ace. > > Please see below. > > >>Hey list members who use Paypal.Check out the date on this one!!! >>What idiots!!!Even leap year only has 29 days!!!Just had to share!!! >>Peg Pfeiffer > > > Here is some useful info related to PHISHING. You need to be aware that > this exists. > Click on this link to find out more phishing . > > Info from Cloudeight > Here's a free tool that we can recommend to you to help you avoid being > sucked in by a phishing scam (although it should be the last line of > defense because you should be relying on GOCS to protect you - see today's > RANT ). It's called Spoof Stick and it's highly recommended by us and many > others. It is a BHO (oh no! but it's a good and benign BHO - Browser > Helper Object) that installs into Internet Explorer and verifies that the > site you think you're on is really the site you're on - before you go > typing in any personal data. You can read more about and/or download (it's > free) Spoof Stick by clicking here. > > Brian Taylor > Hervey Bay Historical Museum > 13 Zephyr St..Scarness > Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Feb 8 13:54:39 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:54:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Phishing Message-ID: <20050208.165511.284.1.jlb94@juno.com> I've been getting a lot of these e-mails One from eBay looked very official. One from Pay-Pal also very official One from my bank Washington Mutual - This one had me going. Enough to call the bank. All three were fhishin (I guess) Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Tue Feb 8 14:42:36 2005 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:12:36 +1030 Subject: [SEL] magneto repairs...Australia References: <000a01c50dda$16ef72b0$80cd3dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <003601c50e2f$afc37040$cfc4fea9@adsl> You guessed right Peter alans email is newstead at rbm.com.au phone number is 87623247 Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:01 PM Subject: [SEL] magneto repairs...Australia > Can someone give me an email address for the Maggy Man. Is it the same Alan > Johnson. I just got home page up but it not giving an email > address........thanks. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Feb 8 15:19:01 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:19:01 +0800 Subject: [SEL] magneto repairs...Australia References: <000a01c50dda$16ef72b0$80cd3dca@ogborneuah38i3> <003601c50e2f$afc37040$cfc4fea9@adsl> Message-ID: <003501c50e34$9892e860$11b73dca@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Steven .....i have a little job for him ,a magneto for a Smiths Motor Wheel. Sorry i wont get to the National ,all the best and i hope it is a great success. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven N Kitto" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] magneto repairs...Australia > You guessed right Peter > alans email is newstead at rbm.com.au > > phone number is 87623247 > Steve and Denise Kitto > 4 Fifth Ave > Naracoorte > South Australia > Ph 08 87621147 > > As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. > Proverbs 27:19 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:01 PM > Subject: [SEL] magneto repairs...Australia > > >> Can someone give me an email address for the Maggy Man. Is it the same > Alan >> Johnson. I just got home page up but it not giving an email >> address........thanks. >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From old_iron at msn.com Tue Feb 8 19:01:24 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:01:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re paypal In-Reply-To: <4206F53C.000003.02932@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: I reported it to both Ebay and Paypal and they have responded with the usually thank you. Peg >From: "nick" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] Re paypal >Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 04:57:32 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) > > Maybe spoof email worth reporting as they want details of your account >nick > >Get All Your Mobile Phone Accessories at >www.nicksphoneunlockingshop.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Feb 8 19:09:37 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:09:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] identity theft attempt from fake PayPal In-Reply-To: <20050208015520.14659.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050208015520.14659.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2abf46d6b2ea255ed8000e9945c133ae@chartertn.net> > Look up the real email address for PayPal on eBay, Alta Vista, Dogpile, > Yahoo, etc., and forward it to the real PayPal fraud address so they > can catch these thieving bastards! The proper address, which I forward those things to several times a week, is: spoof at paypal.com When you think an E-mail may be spam or phishbait, disconnect from the Internet before you open and read it. (If you must read it.) They always contain HTML code that reports back to their server that the message has been opened, making you a "live one" and much more valuable to the sellers of address lists. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 8 19:48:53 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:48:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant - More Good News Message-ID: <002f01c50e5a$48997830$230110ac@PAUL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:18 PM Subject: AM report on C-- > Hello again, > Have been waiting to see if there might be news come in tonight but none > thus far. > > It was a good report this AM--was off the ventilator, breathing ok on his > own, pulse in normal rhythm. The ICU nurse let his daughter speak so he > could hear her voice and he said , "Hi" --that was good news! > > Keep the prayers going and thanks! > Lois > From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Mon Feb 7 04:39:15 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 20:39:15 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <006501c50c96$09a4cc30$0500005a@laptop> References: <006501c50c96$09a4cc30$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <42076173.8010307@optusnet.com.au> Dave Mayfield wrote: >Where can I buy old fashion belt dressing? > >This weekend as the weather was so nice 56 and sunny here. Western Illinois. I thought I had better make good use of it. So Friday morning after I fed my Chickens and the dog, and while the ground was frozen somewhat. I moved all my equipment in place, so on Saturday I could grind some chicken feed. I use my John Deere 48 b and an old Letz 220 grinder, anyone ever was one of these. Works real well, only trouble I have is that I don't have any good belt dressing. I was using a spray can of dressing, but it's not for big belts. If I put to much corn in the hopper I would loose traction and things would GRIND to a halt. My daughter took some pictures, and I uploaded them to my server if you would like to have a look. So any one know where I can order the good stuff? > > I can not recommend this, but on the farm in the dear old bye and bye, my mate used to set alight to a strip of old car inner tube twisted around the end of a longish piece of #8 fencing wire and let the molten rubber drip onto the belt face as it ran, driving a saw bench from the old Fordson Major. Made a lovely Ssshhhriiiking noise and it sure made the belt grip, but he stood well back from the action (I did say a l o n g piece of wire . . We made our own fun, in those days! Never would have dreamt of buying anything that could be done for nothing! (Couldn't afford to, anyhow). Don't try this at home, kiddies. JW? From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Feb 9 04:29:03 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:29:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Decals Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050209072311.0252d4b8@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, I still have a limited number of the SEL decals left. (See: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564) I'm selling them for $5.00 each, or two for $9.00 and I'll pay the postage! ALL money collected will go to the ATIS Charity Auction. Send your money and your snail to me at: Dave Rotigel 208 Kennan Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 Dave PS, Only a limited number are left and when they are gone "That's it folks!" From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 9 04:47:54 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:47:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Latest News on Charlie Message-ID: <003c01c50ea5$952c0550$230110ac@PAUL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:36 AM Subject: Latest ---- > Here is what came in from Gail late last eve--the daughter, who lives in > NY--this was encouraging! > > " I spoke with dad earlier today, around noon, and he seemed groggy but > coherent. He said he felt better than he did from the surgery last week. > I > just phoned again and he is sleeping. He is off pain medication but is > on > medication for his blood pressure. If they get him off that medication > they > will move him to another floor tomorrow. > > That's it for now. > > Gail " > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Feb 9 05:19:22 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:19:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] SEL Decals References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050209072311.0252d4b8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: I'll take two Dave. Rick Strobel 6170 Gin Dale Rd East Helena, Mt. 59635 From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 9 04:58:06 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:58:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] identity theft attempt from fake PayPal In-Reply-To: <2abf46d6b2ea255ed8000e9945c133ae@chartertn.net> References: <20050208015520.14659.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> <2abf46d6b2ea255ed8000e9945c133ae@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <30104.165.206.180.118.1107953886.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Outlook 2003 helps prevent that code from functioning - it won't download and display embedded graphics in an HTML message. They track message reading in almost all cases with the use of a graphic - often a 1 x 1 clear gif file. It won't show in the message, however your computer must contact their server to "download and display" this tiny clear image that you won't see. Bingo - they know all they need to know about you. How do I know? Well, it's part of my job now, plus, I used to be able to do it myself! I could track who read the email we sent for Barbara's store before we sold it. Next, if you MUST read a message, here's another trick. Don't open the message but save it to your computer as a txt or html file, then open it with NOTEPAD (choose "open with", or "send to", do not simply choose OPEN!! It may open it in IE if it's an HTML file!). You can read the text, in fact see all the hidden code, and not worry about it reporting back to mama. Bill >> Look up the real email address for PayPal on eBay, Alta Vista, Dogpile, >> Yahoo, etc., and forward it to the real PayPal fraud address so they >> can catch these thieving bastards! > > The proper address, which I forward those things to several times a > week, is: > spoof at paypal.com > > When you think an E-mail may be spam or phishbait, disconnect from the > Internet before you open and read it. (If you must read it.) They > always contain HTML code that reports back to their server that the > message has been opened, making you a "live one" and much more valuable > to the sellers of address lists. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From prepair at easynet.co.uk Wed Feb 9 06:47:40 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:47:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] identity theft attempt from fake PayPal In-Reply-To: <30104.165.206.180.118.1107953886.squirrel@165.206.180.118> References: <20050208015520.14659.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> <2abf46d6b2ea255ed8000e9945c133ae@chartertn.net> <30104.165.206.180.118.1107953886.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:58:06 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >Next, if you MUST read a message, here's another trick. >Don't open the message but save it to your computer as a txt or html file, >then open it with NOTEPAD (choose "open with", or "send to", do not simply >choose OPEN!! It may open it in IE if it's an HTML file!). >You can read the text, in fact see all the hidden code, and not worry >about it reporting back to mama. > >Bill Better still, use a plain text email/news programme like Agent, that way nothing gets activated, regardless of what it is. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 9 07:15:50 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:15:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] identity theft attempt from fake PayPal In-Reply-To: References: <20050208015520.14659.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> <2abf46d6b2ea255ed8000e9945c133ae@chartertn.net> <30104.165.206.180.118.1107953886.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Message-ID: <30921.165.206.180.118.1107962150.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Yup - that works, too! And is probably just plain more secure overall.. Bill > On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:58:06 -0800 (PST), you wrote: > > >>Next, if you MUST read a message, here's another trick. >>Don't open the message but save it to your computer as a txt or html >> file, >>then open it with NOTEPAD (choose "open with", or "send to", do not >> simply >>choose OPEN!! It may open it in IE if it's an HTML file!). >>You can read the text, in fact see all the hidden code, and not worry >>about it reporting back to mama. >> >>Bill > > Better still, use a plain text email/news programme like Agent, that > way nothing gets activated, regardless of what it is. > > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK > prepair at easynet.co.uk > http://www.prepair.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Wed Feb 9 14:03:44 2005 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:03:44 -0000 Subject: [SEL] re winter eng fun Message-ID: <004501c50ef3$3adf9460$769ae150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Curt, Thanks for the pictures. You shouldn't listen to what Arnie says as you know the saying "nothing runs like a deere", I wonder if he may be just a touch jealous ?? It was good to see Joe in the picture , I hope he is enjoying better health again. Also you didn't say if there was anti freeze in the coffee? See you later , Craig From old_iron at msn.com Wed Feb 9 19:10:05 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:10:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: <002601c50d64$971bcf40$d63354d2@cam> Message-ID: A friend of mine of more than 20 years just sent me this and I thought I would share. We are both named Peg and she calls me Mom. Peg Pfeiffer Nice to know! Subject: Phone Numbers - give Maps to your home Google has implemented a feature wherein you can type someone's telephone number into the search bar and hit enter and then you will be given a map to their house. Everyone should be aware of this! Note that you can have your phone number removed or blocked. Before forwarding this, I tested it by typing my telephone number in google.com. My phone number came up, and when I clicked on the Yahoo link, it actually mapped out where I live. Quite scary. Please look up your own number. Read below for details. Think about it--if a child, ANYONE gives out his/her phone number, someone can actually now look it up to find out where he/she lives. The safety issues are obvious, and alarming. In order to test whether your phone number is mapped, Go to: http://www.google.com Type your phone number in the search bar (i.e. 555-555-1212) and hit enter. If you want to BLOCK Google from divulging your private information, simply click on the telephone icon next to your phone number. Removal takes 48-hours. If you are unlisted in the phone book, you might not be in there, but it is a good idea just to check. If your number does come up if you hit map, it will show you a direct map to your house... >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From old_iron at msn.com Wed Feb 9 19:11:55 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:11:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] SEL Decals In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050209072311.0252d4b8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Dave I need a new one Bill bought a new car, so if you have 2 left let me know so I can get you a check. Peg Pfeiffer >From: Dave Rotigel >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] SEL Decals >Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:29:03 -0500 > >Hi All, > I still have a limited number of the SEL decals left. (See: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564) >I'm selling them for $5.00 each, or two for $9.00 and I'll pay the postage! >ALL money collected will go to the ATIS Charity Auction. Send your money >and your snail to me at: > Dave Rotigel > 208 Kennan Drive > Greensburg, PA > 15601 > Dave >PS, Only a limited number are left and when they are gone "That's it >folks!" > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Wed Feb 9 20:07:18 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:07:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about References: Message-ID: <002901c50f26$27523500$2b1117d1@net.telenet.net> I hate to say it but that has been available for a LONG time. If you really want an eye opener keep in mind that with nothing but your name and a general location you can find most folks. And for 10 bucks more you can get even more info. Take a look at http://www.anywho.com/ To stay off these listings (TRY to find me, you won't even if you had my phone number) 1. Pay the money for an unlisted number OR list it under something ike - Pfeiffer B. NO ADDRESS INFO. 2. Don't post your full name online unless you have a very common name. Mine is VERY common. 3. When you need to use a phone number online (say for some outfits that want your phone number and e-mail. Use 888-888-8888 (in the US) and set up at least one dump box on Yahoo or Hotmail. Most of it is common sense stuff. 99 percent of the sites use normal public information to build the databases. Starting with phone numbers (notice anywho is AT&T) The mapping is done mainly with online services which are not very good without a real good address. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:10 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about > A friend of mine of more than 20 years just sent me this and I thought I > would share. We are both named Peg and she calls me Mom. > > > Peg Pfeiffer > > Nice to know! > Subject: Phone Numbers - give Maps to your home > > Google has implemented a feature wherein you can type someone's > telephone number into the search bar and hit enter and then you will be > given a map to their house. Everyone should be aware of this! > > Note that you can have your phone number removed or blocked. Before > forwarding this, I tested it by typing my telephone number in > google.com. My phone number came up, and when I clicked on the Yahoo > link, it actually mapped out where I live. Quite scary. Please look up > your own number. Read below for details. > > Think about it--if a child, ANYONE gives out his/her phone number, > someone can actually now look it up to find out where he/she lives. The > safety issues are obvious, and alarming. In order to test whether your > phone number is > mapped, Go to: http://www.google.com Type your phone number in the > search bar (i.e. 555-555-1212) and hit enter. If you want to BLOCK > Google from > divulging your private information, simply click on the telephone icon > next to your phone number. Removal takes 48-hours. If you are unlisted > in the phone book, you might not be in there, but it is a good idea just > to check. If your number does come up if you hit map, it will show you a > direct map to your house... > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Feb 10 03:31:15 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:31:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] re winter eng fun Message-ID: <021020051131.8111.420B46030001304600001FAF21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Craig, Your right, there is no real "Green" in his engine shed. With all the snow weve had then thawing off my machine shed it all fell directly along side my sliding overhead doors and then melted and froze them shut again...what a bitch of mess and my flat bed trailer was stuck out in a snow bank so the mini van was only mode of transfer and limited to size anway. We had another 4 inches last night and got the old JD2150 out and made quick work of cleaning up the lane before Becky got home from work. Speaking of "Green", did you get a cart built for your prize JD yet?????? Curt > Hi Curt, > Thanks for the pictures. You shouldn't listen to what Arnie says as > you know the saying "nothing runs like a deere", I wonder if he may be just a > touch jealous ?? > It was good to see Joe in the picture , I hope he is enjoying better > health again. Also you didn't say if there was anti freeze in the coffee? > See you later , Craig > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Feb 10 04:41:31 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:41:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more 'privacy' issues to worry about In-Reply-To: <002901c50f26$27523500$2b1117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <002901c50f26$27523500$2b1117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <2846.165.206.180.118.1108039291.squirrel@165.206.180.118> My wife can find your address and BIRTHDATE with just a name and a county......in some cases if she wants to spend the time, with just a state. She's done it. Hate to say it but those listings like anywho are the EASY ones, there are other ways that use information you give the state or county when you pay taxes. See, a lot of this stuff is public record, and I'm not talking about AT&T. Fact is that if someone REALLY wants to find you, they can and will. Bill > I hate to say it but that has been available for a LONG time. If you > really want an eye opener keep in mind that with nothing but your name > and a general location you can find most folks. And for 10 bucks more > you can get even more info. > > Take a look at http://www.anywho.com/ > > To stay off these listings (TRY to find me, you won't even if you had my > phone number) > > 1. Pay the money for an unlisted number OR list it under something > ike - Pfeiffer B. NO ADDRESS INFO. > 2. Don't post your full name online unless you have a very common name. > Mine is VERY common. > 3. When you need to use a phone number online (say for some outfits that > want your phone number and e-mail. Use 888-888-8888 (in the US) and set > up at least one dump box on Yahoo or Hotmail. > > Most of it is common sense stuff. 99 percent of the sites use normal > public information to build the databases. Starting with phone numbers > (notice anywho is AT&T) > The mapping is done mainly with online services which are not very good > without a real good address. > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown, New York > > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, > he'd have become a vegan. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:10 PM > Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about > > >> A friend of mine of more than 20 years just sent me this and I thought > I >> would share. We are both named Peg and she calls me Mom. >> >> >> Peg Pfeiffer >> >> Nice to know! >> Subject: Phone Numbers - give Maps to your home >> >> Google has implemented a feature wherein you can type someone's >> telephone number into the search bar and hit enter and then you will > be >> given a map to their house. Everyone should be aware of this! >> >> Note that you can have your phone number removed or blocked. Before >> forwarding this, I tested it by typing my telephone number in >> google.com. My phone number came up, and when I clicked on the Yahoo >> link, it actually mapped out where I live. Quite scary. Please look up >> your own number. Read below for details. >> >> Think about it--if a child, ANYONE gives out his/her phone number, >> someone can actually now look it up to find out where he/she lives. > The >> safety issues are obvious, and alarming. In order to test whether your >> phone number is >> mapped, Go to: http://www.google.com Type your phone number in the >> search bar (i.e. 555-555-1212) and hit enter. If you want to BLOCK >> Google from >> divulging your private information, simply click on the telephone icon >> next to your phone number. Removal takes 48-hours. If you are unlisted >> in the phone book, you might not be in there, but it is a good idea > just >> to check. If your number does come up if you hit map, it will show you > a >> direct map to your house... >> >> >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >SEL mailing list >> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 10 04:42:32 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:42:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Decals In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050209072311.0252d4b8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050210074051.025c67e8@mail.alltel.net> Hi Peg, I still have some left. Be sure to include your snail so that I can get them right out to you! Dave At 10:11 PM 2/9/2005, you wrote: >Dave I need a new one Bill bought a new car, so if you have 2 left let me >know so I can get you a check. > >Peg Pfeiffer > >>From: Dave Rotigel >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: [SEL] SEL Decals >>Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:29:03 -0500 >> >>Hi All, >> I still have a limited number of the SEL decals left. (See: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3871442564) >> I'm selling them for $5.00 each, or two for $9.00 and I'll pay the >> postage! ALL money collected will go to the ATIS Charity Auction. Send >> your money and your snail to me at: >> Dave Rotigel >> 208 Kennan Drive >> Greensburg, PA >> 15601 >> Dave >>PS, Only a limited number are left and when they are gone "That's it folks!" >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 10 05:01:39 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:01:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] re winter eng fun In-Reply-To: <021020051131.8111.420B46030001304600001FAF21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <021020051131.8111.420B46030001304600001FAF21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Hiya Curt & Craig, Green? Bleuch! You'll find "green" in my engine shed about the same time that you'd find a Maytag. See ya, Arnie On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Your right, there is no real "Green" in his engine shed. With all the snow > weve had then thawing off my machine shed it all fell directly along side my > sliding overhead doors and then melted and froze them shut again...what a > bitch of mess and my flat bed trailer was stuck out in a snow bank so the mini > van was only mode of transfer and limited to size anway. We had another 4 > inches last night and got the old JD2150 out and made quick work of cleaning > up the lane before Becky got home from work. > Speaking of "Green", did you get a cart built for your prize JD yet?????? > > Thanks for the pictures. You shouldn't listen to what Arnie says as > > you know the saying "nothing runs like a deere", I wonder if he may be just a > > touch jealous ?? > > See you later , Craig From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Feb 10 05:14:37 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:14:37 -0000 Subject: [SEL] vintage newsgroups Message-ID: <004f01c50f72$79cec6d0$8c9f0952@no1> I have just signed up to a newsgroup that allows 50Mb a day free downloads & covers all newsgroups. It costs a one off setup charge of $3.95 & free thereafter. see http://www.teranews.com/ I added this as I was losing a number of pictures due to the posting being too large for the news server. No problem with teranews. My next point is, are there any other engine newsgroups apart from UK.REC.ENGINES.STATIONARY? TIA Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From wrl at gwltd.com Thu Feb 10 05:14:36 2005 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:14:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about References: <002901c50f26$27523500$2b1117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <025701c50f72$7d40bc10$0500005a@laptop> I was going to get into this but I will. Several years ago, I was a tad concerned about this very subject, for many reason, some of which are I am into more than one hobby where lots of dollars are involved. One of these is Ham Radio, I know guys that have gotten on the radio and tell a friend that he is going on vacation, then he tells him the exact dates he will be gone. Guess what his home was broken into while he was gone. He did this twice and was broken into twice. Lots of people are listing on the ham bands. I bought a book called Invasion of Privacy. It gives you some very good ideas on how to keep your life private. Let me put it this way, anyone wants to find me or where I live will only find a building I own in other town a few miles away from the real bat cave. Dave Mayfield www.w9wrl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about > I hate to say it but that has been available for a LONG time. If you > really want an eye opener keep in mind that with nothing but your name > and a general location you can find most folks. And for 10 bucks more > you can get even more info. > > Take a look at http://www.anywho.com/ > > To stay off these listings (TRY to find me, you won't even if you had my > phone number) > > 1. Pay the money for an unlisted number OR list it under something > ike - Pfeiffer B. NO ADDRESS INFO. > 2. Don't post your full name online unless you have a very common name. > Mine is VERY common. > 3. When you need to use a phone number online (say for some outfits that > want your phone number and e-mail. Use 888-888-8888 (in the US) and set > up at least one dump box on Yahoo or Hotmail. > > Most of it is common sense stuff. 99 percent of the sites use normal > public information to build the databases. Starting with phone numbers > (notice anywho is AT&T) > The mapping is done mainly with online services which are not very good > without a real good address. > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown, New York > > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, > he'd have become a vegan. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:10 PM > Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about > > > > A friend of mine of more than 20 years just sent me this and I thought > I > > would share. We are both named Peg and she calls me Mom. > > > > > > Peg Pfeiffer > > > > Nice to know! > > Subject: Phone Numbers - give Maps to your home > > > > Google has implemented a feature wherein you can type someone's > > telephone number into the search bar and hit enter and then you will > be > > given a map to their house. Everyone should be aware of this! > > > > Note that you can have your phone number removed or blocked. Before > > forwarding this, I tested it by typing my telephone number in > > google.com. My phone number came up, and when I clicked on the Yahoo > > link, it actually mapped out where I live. Quite scary. Please look up > > your own number. Read below for details. > > > > Think about it--if a child, ANYONE gives out his/her phone number, > > someone can actually now look it up to find out where he/she lives. > The > > safety issues are obvious, and alarming. In order to test whether your > > phone number is > > mapped, Go to: http://www.google.com Type your phone number in the > > search bar (i.e. 555-555-1212) and hit enter. If you want to BLOCK > > Google from > > divulging your private information, simply click on the telephone icon > > next to your phone number. Removal takes 48-hours. If you are unlisted > > in the phone book, you might not be in there, but it is a good idea > just > > to check. If your number does come up if you hit map, it will show you > a > > direct map to your house... > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From klpbessemer at earthlink.net Thu Feb 10 06:11:42 2005 From: klpbessemer at earthlink.net (Kent) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:11:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] re winter eng fun In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200502101412.j1AECB4U060439@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Arnie, What colour is the upright Bessemer????? Kent Park -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:02 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] re winter eng fun Hiya Curt & Craig, Green? Bleuch! You'll find "green" in my engine shed about the same time that you'd find a Maytag. See ya, Arnie From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 10 06:25:40 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:25:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: <025701c50f72$7d40bc10$0500005a@laptop> References: <002901c50f26$27523500$2b1117d1@net.telenet.net> <025701c50f72$7d40bc10$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: OK "Dave", fess up. Is that your REAL name? See ya, Arnie On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Dave Mayfield wrote: > Let me put it this way, anyone wants to find me or where I live will only > find a building I own in other town a few miles away from the real bat cave. > > Dave Mayfield > www.w9wrl.com From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 10 06:44:24 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:44:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: References: <002901c50f26$27523500$2b1117d1@net.telenet.net> <025701c50f72$7d40bc10$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050210094307.024c11d0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Arnie, When I become REAL IMPORTANT I'm going to do the same thing that Dave does! Dave At 09:25 AM 2/10/2005, you wrote: >OK "Dave", fess up. Is that your REAL name? > >See ya, Arnie > >On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Dave Mayfield wrote: > > > Let me put it this way, anyone wants to find me or where I live will only > > find a building I own in other town a few miles away from the real bat > cave. > > > > Dave Mayfield > > www.w9wrl.com From George_Best at adp.com Thu Feb 10 07:15:22 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:15:22 -0800 Subject: [SEL] re winter eng fun Message-ID: > Green? Bleuch! You'll find "green" in my engine shed about > the same time that you'd find a Maytag. > > See ya, Arnie Arnie, What color is your Crossley? ;-) From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Feb 10 07:21:50 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:21:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about References: <002901c50f26$27523500$2b1117d1@net.telenet.net><025701c50f72$7d40bc10$0500005a@laptop> <6.1.2.0.0.20050210094307.024c11d0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000701c50f84$4151b260$113354d2@cam> What are you two having a domestic. Cheers Cam Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 1:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about > Hi Arnie, When I become REAL IMPORTANT I'm going to do the same thing that > Dave does! > Dave > > At 09:25 AM 2/10/2005, you wrote: > >OK "Dave", fess up. Is that your REAL name? > > > >See ya, Arnie > > > >On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Dave Mayfield wrote: > > > > > Let me put it this way, anyone wants to find me or where I live will only > > > find a building I own in other town a few miles away from the real bat > > cave. > > > > > > Dave Mayfield > > > www.w9wrl.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu Feb 10 07:38:06 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:38:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] re winter eng fun References: Message-ID: <420B7FDE.56ED6735@insulate.co.uk> Good point, George. And what colour, may I ask, is you Lister? And the Petter? Dolly George Best wrote: > > > Green? Bleuch! You'll find "green" in my engine shed about > > the same time that you'd find a Maytag. > > > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie, > > What color is your Crossley? ;-) > > _______________________________________________ > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 10 07:40:39 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:40:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] re winter eng fun In-Reply-To: <200502101412.j1AECB4U060439@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502101412.j1AECB4U060439@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Hi Kent, Perhaps I should have been more specific and said you won't find a John Deere engine in my shed. 8-)) Because, with the exception of the United, the Detroit, and the Robertsonville (red) and the C.H.&E. (yellow), all of the rest are various shades of green. 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - Has your "tank guy" had any trouble getting the "free-style" openings in the top of the fuel tank for your upright Bessemer? 8-)) PPS - Is your local foundry guy setup to do the fuel/water tank support casting for the Bessemer? I'm getting ready to put my other one on eBay or on Harry's classified ads and I'd like to be able to point a potential buyer toward a source for the tank support if they wanted to use one. On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Kent wrote: > What colour is the upright Bessemer????? > > -----Original Message----- > > Green? Bleuch! You'll find "green" in my engine shed about the same time > that you'd find a Maytag. From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 10 07:40:14 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:40:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: <000701c50f84$4151b260$113354d2@cam> References: <002901c50f26$27523500$2b1117d1@net.telenet.net> <025701c50f72$7d40bc10$0500005a@laptop> <6.1.2.0.0.20050210094307.024c11d0@mail.alltel.net> <000701c50f84$4151b260$113354d2@cam> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050210103823.024c3020@mail.alltel.net> At 10:21 AM 2/10/2005, you wrote: >What are you two having a domestic. > Cheers Cam Hi Cam, I have a Domestic. It's a 15 HP. Arnie does not own a Domestic, but he has a REAL nice Crosley sideshaft. Dave From George_Best at adp.com Thu Feb 10 08:32:49 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:32:49 -0800 Subject: [SEL] re winter eng fun Message-ID: Looks like Arnie must be a closet Maytag owner! He didn't say he didn't have any green engines, and we all know that Arnie has a trailer load of green engines. Guess it is safe to say that Arnie must have a bunch of Maytags as well ;-) George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Jim French > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:38 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] re winter eng fun > > Good point, George. And what colour, may I ask, is you > Lister? And the Petter? > > Dolly > > George Best wrote: > > > > > > Green? Bleuch! You'll find "green" in my engine shed about the > > > same time that you'd find a Maytag. > > > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > Arnie, > > > > What color is your Crossley? ;-) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 10 08:44:25 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:44:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050210103823.024c3020@mail.alltel.net> References: <002901c50f26$27523500$2b1117d1@net.telenet.net> <025701c50f72$7d40bc10$0500005a@laptop> <6.1.2.0.0.20050210094307.024c11d0@mail.alltel.net> <000701c50f84$4151b260$113354d2@cam> <6.1.2.0.0.20050210103823.024c3020@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Cam, As Dave sez I don't own a Domestic, but I think when I was a teenager I had a domestic. She lived at my neighbor's house and wore a cute little French maid outfit. Although, I confess, I never saw her doing any housecleaning. 8->> I hope that helps... See ya, Arnie On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 10:21 AM 2/10/2005, you wrote: > >What are you two having a domestic. > > Cheers Cam > > Hi Cam, > I have a Domestic. It's a 15 HP. Arnie does not own a Domestic, > but he has a REAL nice Crosley sideshaft. > Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 10 10:13:04 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:13:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] re winter eng fun In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi George, I confess. I own a Maytag. But it's not in the engine shed; it lives in the kitchen. Dolly would call it a gas cooker. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, George Best wrote: > Looks like Arnie must be a closet Maytag owner! > > He didn't say he didn't have any green engines, and we all know that > Arnie has a trailer load of green engines. Guess it is safe to say that > Arnie must have a bunch of Maytags as well ;-) From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Feb 10 11:12:18 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:12:18 EST Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about Message-ID: <8e.20b8f729.2f3d0c12@aol.com> In a message dated 2/10/2005 8:57:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, wrl at gwltd.com writes: << Let me put it this way, anyone wants to find me or where I live will only find a building I own in other town a few miles away from the real bat cave. >> I just checked mine and due to a rural mailing address mine show up at the town where the post office is located, 12 miles from my home. I did not think google was that smart. We just got rid of outhouses a few years ago! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Feb 10 11:26:19 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:26:19 -0800 Subject: [SEL] re winter eng fun In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200502101926.j1AJQMWN028971@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > I confess. I own a Maytag. But it's not in the engine shed; > it lives in the kitchen. Shocking. And the flat spot on the top of your head is from the frying pan that "Maytag" used to teach you some manners? From George_Best at adp.com Thu Feb 10 11:28:21 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:28:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Engine colors Message-ID: After Arnie confessed to actually having green engines, I was thinking a little about engine colors. In my collection I've got green engines, red engines, and blue engines. Nothing unusual there. What other colors were used by engine manufacturers? I know black was used, but what other color? So who's got another color to add to the list? Be sure to say which manufacturer used that color. From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Thu Feb 10 11:39:19 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:39:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Engine colors References: Message-ID: <001501c50fa8$36fb5310$3775833e@harryp1811> Rock Island was painted brown. I think not many other engines were painted that way. Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:28 PM Subject: [SEL] Engine colors > After Arnie confessed to actually having green engines, I was thinking a > little about engine colors. > > In my collection I've got green engines, red engines, and blue engines. > Nothing unusual there. > > What other colors were used by engine manufacturers? > > I know black was used, but what other color? > > So who's got another color to add to the list? Be sure to say which > manufacturer used that color. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Vivas1993 at aol.com Thu Feb 10 11:56:21 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:56:21 EST Subject: [SEL] Engine colors Message-ID: <6a.4ecd58de.2f3d1665@aol.com> Hi George, I've got a 25hp FM Y , it still has some of the original gray paint. Early R& V engines were painted a maroon color, as were B&E Bulldog engines, & Domestics. Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Feb 10 12:00:44 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:00:44 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine colors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi George, My LeRoi is a gray color. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/leroi/leroi.jpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ====================== >From: "George Best" > >So who's got another color to add to the list? Be sure to say which >manufacturer used that color. > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Feb 10 12:31:07 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:31:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine colors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <420BC48B.4060705@imc-group.com> Maroon Domestics and GS&M's. Grey Baker Monitors. Grey Stickneys. (Blue more prevalent) Curt George Best wrote: >After Arnie confessed to actually having green engines, I was thinking a >little about engine colors. > >In my collection I've got green engines, red engines, and blue engines. >Nothing unusual there. > >What other colors were used by engine manufacturers? > >I know black was used, but what other color? > >So who's got another color to add to the list? Be sure to say which >manufacturer used that color. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Thu Feb 10 12:36:33 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:36:33 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Engine colors References: <420BC48B.4060705@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004501c50fb0$358dbfb0$3775833e@harryp1811> So does anyone know why some Baker Monitors were painted gray and others were painted red? On our Monitor there was quite allot of original red paint left. Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine colors > Maroon Domestics and GS&M's. > Grey Baker Monitors. > Grey Stickneys. (Blue more prevalent) > Curt > > George Best wrote: > > >After Arnie confessed to actually having green engines, I was thinking a > >little about engine colors. > > > >In my collection I've got green engines, red engines, and blue engines. > >Nothing unusual there. > > > >What other colors were used by engine manufacturers? > > > >I know black was used, but what other color? > > > >So who's got another color to add to the list? Be sure to say which > >manufacturer used that color. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 10 12:51:27 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:51:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Yesterday's report on Charlie Message-ID: <007501c50fb2$4d31ecc0$230110ac@PAUL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" To: Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 10:18 AM Subject: Yesterday's report on Charlie > Good Morning Paul, > We are having a snow day! Have had very little this winter--Boston has > had plenty--but think they are not getting much. Last I heard we could > get 12 to 18 inches. > > Was reading Psalm 62 this morning-- encouraging verses 5, 7 and 8. > > Was hoping to have a new report this morning but nothing came > in.-Charlie's daughter sent this last eve,-- > > " I spoke with him this afternoon around 3. He is still on the same > floor and > they said if they could get his blood pressure regulated without > medication > he would be transferred. I'm just as happy that he is there because > there > is one nurse for two patients. > > He couldn't really speak. He said his throat hurt and he didn't feel > well. > When I call tonight to chat to the nurse I will ask if they are giving > him > anything for his throat to suck on. Any other advice or questions? > > I plan to go up on Saturday morning and spend the weekend with him. I > imagine by then he will be off that floor, and with stepped-down nursing > care might be able to use some visitor help." > Gail > > Will keep you posted. Thanks for your prayers. Trust you are over the flu > . > C's sister, Lois > > > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 10 13:18:45 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:18:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine colors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050210161716.021ca840@mail.alltel.net> Hi George, I once saw a MAYTAG that was PUCE in colo(u)r. I do not know if it was original, however. Dave >So who's got another color to add to the list? Be sure to say which >manufacturer used that color. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 10 13:48:52 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:48:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Engine colors In-Reply-To: <004501c50fb0$358dbfb0$3775833e@harryp1811> References: <420BC48B.4060705@imc-group.com> <004501c50fb0$358dbfb0$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: Hi Harry, I think the early ball hopper Baker Monitors were a reddish-maroon. The later ones with the acorn shaped hoppers were gray. See ya, Arnie On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Harry Terpstra wrote: > So does anyone know why some Baker Monitors were painted gray and others > were painted red? > On our Monitor there was quite allot of original red paint left. From glenn.karch at gte.net Thu Feb 10 13:37:53 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:37:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine colors References: Message-ID: <000d01c50fb8$c9be05c0$e329ea41@oemcomputer> George and others, ARCO engines were blue gray, Rawleighs were brown or tan and so were Rock Island, Kewanees were gray, Bohons were yellow?, Associateds had some silver on them, etc. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 1:28 PM Subject: [SEL] Engine colors > After Arnie confessed to actually having green engines, I was thinking a > little about engine colors. > > In my collection I've got green engines, red engines, and blue engines. > Nothing unusual there. > > What other colors were used by engine manufacturers? > > I know black was used, but what other color? > > So who's got another color to add to the list? Be sure to say which > manufacturer used that color. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Thu Feb 10 14:09:55 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:09:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Engine colors References: <420BC48B.4060705@imc-group.com> <004501c50fb0$358dbfb0$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <012801c50fbd$40ee6cd0$3775833e@harryp1811> Hi Arnie, Our Monitor is indeed an early model. Serial number is 1822 that probably makes it a late 1906 engine. It also has a diffrent shape tag not the oval shaped like most Monitors. It also looks like it is Chrome or nickle. Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine colors > Hi Harry, > > I think the early ball hopper Baker Monitors were a reddish-maroon. > The later ones with the acorn shaped hoppers were gray. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Harry Terpstra wrote: > > > So does anyone know why some Baker Monitors were painted gray and others > > were painted red? > > On our Monitor there was quite allot of original red paint left. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Thu Feb 10 14:26:23 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:26:23 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Engine colors Message-ID: I know that the shade of color used by some manufacturers would vary from time to time since some bought their paint from whoever gave them the best deal, or it could vary just because someone different was mixing the paint. However.... Were there any manufacturers that didn't have a specific color which identified their engines? As an example, I've heard that Samson engines made in California were painted various colors depending on what they had on hand. Anyone else heard this or have information on this? George From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Feb 10 14:37:06 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:37:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Scam email example Message-ID: <72on01t0arr5obvod6fbvpj9dsf8c9589a@4ax.com> I mentioned the other day about using a plain text newsreader to avoid possible hiccups with various things that come in via email. The following line is from a PayPal scam email, and the line is taken exactly as our mail programme shows it: http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_login-run [links to radescumarian.go.ro/] The blue text is the normal url for PayPal, and is what you see on-screen, except that they ALWAYS use a secure ( https ) login these days, so that's a good pointer to a possible scam. The url in square brackets is the interesting bit. It shows that when you click on the blue text on-screen, you actually go to the web address shown, which I think is Romania, and no doubt there will be something there that you can fill in with your PayPal details and password.... Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Feb 10 14:55:18 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:55:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine colors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:26:23 -0800, you wrote: >I know that the shade of color used by some manufacturers would vary >from time to time since some bought their paint from whoever gave them >the best deal, or it could vary just because someone different was >mixing the paint. > >However.... Were there any manufacturers that didn't have a specific >color which identified their engines? > >As an example, I've heard that Samson engines made in California were >painted various colors depending on what they had on hand. Anyone else >heard this or have information on this? > >George A lot of UK manufacturers would paint their engines to suit specific customer's requirements, so that Bamford would paint it's engines Grey that went to Millars Machinery, while other customers would get the standard Mid Brunswick Green. Villiers supplied their engines to OEM's in primer. Lister nearly always painted theirs in Mid Brunswick Green, except for some engines that went to Post Office Telephones (the predecessor to British Telecom) which would have been Black or Grey, engines for Admiralty use that would have been Light Admiralty Grey (BS381C Shade 697) Petters painted some of their engines Red instead of the slightly lighter Light Brunswick Green or Apple Green. Gardners and Ruston & Hornsby used a variety of colours over the years, the deep maroon of the early Hornsbys is particularly nice on a big engine, the later engines like my own are an Apple Green with White, Yellow and Green lining out. The very large Crossleys and Nationals were a dark green. The majority of UK manufacturers used standard industrial colours, most of which were detailed in BS381C and BS4800. The reason that Brunswick Green was so popular, is that it was available in 3 distinct shades 225, 226 and 227 and it was used for a lot of Military hardware as well, so it became a very well known and available series of colours. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From wrl at gwltd.com Thu Feb 10 15:36:44 2005 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:36:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about References: <002901c50f26$27523500$2b1117d1@net.telenet.net><025701c50f72$7d40bc10$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <000e01c50fc9$66836f20$0500005a@laptop> Interesting point! In this book I was telling you about it tells you how to create a new name and identity. Most people would think that this would not be legal. Truth is there is nothing wrong with creating a new name, so long as it is not used for illegal purposes. Enough said. J. Dave Mayfield www.w9wrl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about > OK "Dave", fess up. Is that your REAL name? > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Dave Mayfield wrote: > > > Let me put it this way, anyone wants to find me or where I live will only > > find a building I own in other town a few miles away from the real bat cave. > > > > Dave Mayfield > > www.w9wrl.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wrl at gwltd.com Thu Feb 10 15:44:38 2005 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:44:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about References: <002901c50f26$27523500$2b1117d1@net.telenet.net><025701c50f72$7d40bc10$0500005a@laptop> <6.1.2.0.0.20050210094307.024c11d0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001601c50fca$81b413c0$0500005a@laptop> In today's world, if your going to just had out all your personal information. Someone is going to send you junk mail, spam, steal your identity, run up credit card bills, call you and try to sell you stuff, steal your pay pal log in, and on on. If your worth more than ten bucks someone is going to try to screw you out of it sooner or later. If taking control of your personal privacy makes you IMPORTANT than so be it. I just think it makes you a tad smarter than the jerks trying to screw you. And if you just plowing along with you head in the dirt???? J. Dave Mayfield www.w9wrl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about > Hi Arnie, When I become REAL IMPORTANT I'm going to do the same thing that > Dave does! > Dave > > At 09:25 AM 2/10/2005, you wrote: > >OK "Dave", fess up. Is that your REAL name? > > > >See ya, Arnie > > > >On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Dave Mayfield wrote: > > > > > Let me put it this way, anyone wants to find me or where I live will only > > > find a building I own in other town a few miles away from the real bat > > cave. > > > > > > Dave Mayfield > > > www.w9wrl.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 10 17:01:59 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:01:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] The new GEM Message-ID: <20050211010200.85923.qmail@web61302.mail.yahoo.com> Howdy Folks, I got the new GEM yesterday. I was very sad to see no article from the SEL and then I read the note saying good-bye to Helen. Who is going to step up and take over the job? Thank you, Helen for all your service. Alan Bowen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From old_iron at msn.com Thu Feb 10 17:51:02 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:51:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! Message-ID: Hi All I was also sad to hear Helen was hanging up her virtual pen. I would like to run this by the SEL before I contact GEM. Do you think I could be a poor imitation of Helen?? or should I just forget it and wait for someone else to step up to the plate??? Thanks for any input, I already have a flame retardant suit. Peg Pfeiffer >From: Alan Bowen >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] The new GEM >Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:01:59 -0800 (PST) > >Howdy Folks, >I got the new GEM yesterday. >I was very sad to see no article from the SEL and then I read the note >saying good-bye to Helen. > >Who is going to step up and take over the job? > >Thank you, Helen for all your service. > >Alan Bowen > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 10 18:20:52 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:20:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050210211215.02597f98@mail.alltel.net> Hi Peg, >Hi All I was also sad to hear Helen was hanging up her virtual pen. I think we were all sad to hear that she was throwing in her pen. But after doing the column every month since 1999 who can blame her for wanting some time to herself! THANKS for what you have done for all of us Dolly! >I would like to run this by the SEL before I contact GEM. >Do you think I could be a poor imitation of Helen?? or should I just >forget it and wait for someone else to step up to the plate??? >Thanks for any input, I already have a flame retardant suit. I think you would make a damn poor imitation of Dolly--but a GREAT replacement in your own right! I think the column should continue and I'm sure that you could represent us all very well! GO for it Peg! >Peg Pfeiffer Dave From asouth at strato.net Thu Feb 10 18:31:57 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:31:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! References: Message-ID: <000901c50fe1$dc1d8eb0$9300a8c0@Arthur> Go for it Peg. Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" To: Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:51 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > Hi All I was also sad to hear Helen was hanging up her virtual pen. > > I would like to run this by the SEL before I contact GEM. > > Do you think I could be a poor imitation of Helen?? or should I just > forget it and wait for someone else to step up to the plate??? > Thanks for any input, I already have a flame retardant suit. > > Peg Pfeiffer > >>From: Alan Bowen >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: [SEL] The new GEM >>Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:01:59 -0800 (PST) >> >>Howdy Folks, >>I got the new GEM yesterday. >>I was very sad to see no article from the SEL and then I read the note >>saying good-bye to Helen. >> >>Who is going to step up and take over the job? >> >>Thank you, Helen for all your service. >> >>Alan Bowen >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>http://mail.yahoo.com >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Feb 10 18:37:55 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:37:55 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: <001601c50fca$81b413c0$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <200502110237.j1B2bxml066513@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > In today's world, if your going to just had out all your personal > information. Someone is going to send you junk mail, spam, steal your > identity, run up credit card bills, call you and try to sell > you stuff, steal your pay pal log in, and on on. Hi Dave, Finding your business took about 60 seconds. I added the xx's so the spammers, bulk faxers and identity thieves won't find you. I sincerely hope that this doesn't blow your cover in the Witness Protection Program. Rob =-=-=-=-=-=-= James D. Mayfield Global Wireless, LTD kb9bxx wrl at gwltd.com xxxbnr at revealed.net xx at gwltd.com xx19 7th Street Moline, IL 61265 Phone: (309) 762-60xx Fax: (309) 757-18xx From asouth at strato.net Thu Feb 10 18:43:00 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:43:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM References: <20050211010200.85923.qmail@web61302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501c50fe3$67500f20$9300a8c0@Arthur> Hello list, I haven't received my GEM yet. I, like Alan, will miss Helen's column very much. That was one more nail that held us together. It is where I first learned of the SEL. I contacted Helen and she told me how to subscribe to the list. Thanks Helen for a job well done! You will be missed! There are getting to be fewer reasons to subscribe to GEM. I did notice the last issue I received seemed to be lighter than some of the ones a few years ago. I was looking thru the Ads and there seem to be fewer of they also. I was looking for a source for a head gasket for my LB 3-5 IHC. No luck! At least nothing jumped out at me. I'll have to take a look in some older issues. Maybe there will be something in them. Good night you all. Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:01 PM Subject: [SEL] The new GEM > Howdy Folks, > I got the new GEM yesterday. > I was very sad to see no article from the SEL and then I read the note > saying good-bye to Helen. > > Who is going to step up and take over the job? > > Thank you, Helen for all your service. > > Alan Bowen > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From asouth at strato.net Thu Feb 10 18:59:48 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:59:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about References: Message-ID: <008901c50fe5$bfc87500$9300a8c0@Arthur> The map was close, about 1000 ft. short. Not many of my neighbors know me so I could possibly escape. lol. Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:10 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: OT more "privacy" issues to worry about >A friend of mine of more than 20 years just sent me this and I thought I >would share. We are both named Peg and she calls me Mom. > > > Peg Pfeiffer > > Nice to know! > Subject: Phone Numbers - give Maps to your home > > Google has implemented a feature wherein you can type someone's > telephone number into the search bar and hit enter and then you will be > given a map to their house. Everyone should be aware of this! From canuckiron at wightman.ca Thu Feb 10 22:08:10 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:08:10 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Engine colors References: Message-ID: <420C4BCA.5C9E6EFD@wightman.ca> Hi George, Some Chapman and Ontario Wind engines were painted greeny beige colour. I was once told that certain Mogul engines were painted a blue colour. I had heard that engines purchased for our Ministry of Transport had to be painted red. Duncan George Best wrote: > I know that the shade of color used by some manufacturers would vary > from time to time since some bought their paint from whoever gave them > the best deal, or it could vary just because someone different was > mixing the paint. > > However.... Were there any manufacturers that didn't have a specific > color which identified their engines? > > As an example, I've heard that Samson engines made in California were > painted various colors depending on what they had on hand. Anyone else > heard this or have information on this? > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Feb 10 19:31:18 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:31:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine colors In-Reply-To: <420C4BCA.5C9E6EFD@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <200502110331.j1B3VfqK099467@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> My Chapman 2 was black, the 7 appears to have been black, or at least under the brass tag it's a totally dark black looking colour. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Duncan Denman Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:08 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine colors Hi George, Some Chapman and Ontario Wind engines were painted greeny beige colour. I was once told that certain Mogul engines were painted a blue colour. I had heard that engines purchased for our Ministry of Transport had to be painted red. Duncan George Best wrote: > I know that the shade of color used by some manufacturers would vary > from time to time since some bought their paint from whoever gave them > the best deal, or it could vary just because someone different was > mixing the paint. > > However.... Were there any manufacturers that didn't have a specific > color which identified their engines? > > As an example, I've heard that Samson engines made in California were > painted various colors depending on what they had on hand. Anyone > else heard this or have information on this? > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 10 19:58:59 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:58:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: <200502110237.j1B2bxml066513@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <001601c50fca$81b413c0$0500005a@laptop> <200502110237.j1B2bxml066513@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050210225631.026084b8@mail.alltel.net> At 09:37 PM 2/10/2005, you wrote: > > In today's world, if your going to just had out all your personal > > information. Someone is going to send you junk mail, spam, steal your > > identity, run up credit card bills, call you and try to sell > > you stuff, steal your pay pal log in, and on on. > >Hi Dave, >Finding your business took about 60 seconds. >I added the xx's so the spammers, bulk faxers >and identity thieves won't find you. > >I sincerely hope that this doesn't blow your >cover in the Witness Protection Program. > >Rob Hi Rob, Did you notice also the address in Coal Valley, IL? How many 43 year olds do you think are in the witness Protection Plan? Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Feb 10 20:51:37 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:51:37 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050210225631.026084b8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200502110451.j1B4pe3w043677@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Hi Rob, Did you notice also the address in Coal Valley, IL? > How many 43 year olds do you think are in the witness > Protection Plan? > Dave Hi Dave, Forty three you say?! I never would have guessed that from the pictures that were taken through his upstairs window. I would have guessed at LEAST fifty three. Was that his girlfriend? Rob P.S. Do you think that Peg is going to publish all his contact info in next month's GEM? From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Feb 10 21:08:42 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:08:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Thanks Helen Message-ID: <420C3DDA.6050203@earthlink.net> I could say you will be missed, but that would not be the truth. You are already missed because you were not in my latest issue of GEM. Thanks, Jeff Allen From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Feb 10 23:01:59 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:01:59 +0100 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM References: <20050211010200.85923.qmail@web61302.mail.yahoo.com> <001501c50fe3$67500f20$9300a8c0@Arthur> Message-ID: <003201c51007$94cf0d60$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Arthur, Hit-'n-Miss and Starbolt sells them. HM 627 Head gasket LB 3-5 hp $6.00 250 B2 Head gasket LB 3-5 hp $7.00 Take care, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > I was looking for a source for a head gasket for my LB 3-5 IHC. No luck! At > least nothing jumped out at me. I'll have to take a look in some older > issues. Maybe there will be something in them. > > Good night you all. > > Arthur Southwell Rebuilding > Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. > asouth at strato.net From cgandree at mchsi.com Fri Feb 11 02:45:23 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:45:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! Message-ID: <021120051045.5466.420C8CC30005D7580000155A21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Peg, Go for it Peg, with alot of help from your friends you will do a great job! lol Curt Andree > Hi All I was also sad to hear Helen was hanging up her virtual pen. > > I would like to run this by the SEL before I contact GEM. > > Do you think I could be a poor imitation of Helen?? or should I just forget > it and wait for someone else to step up to the plate??? > Thanks for any input, I already have a flame retardant suit. > > Peg Pfeiffer > > >From: Alan Bowen > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Subject: [SEL] The new GEM > >Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:01:59 -0800 (PST) > > > >Howdy Folks, > >I got the new GEM yesterday. > >I was very sad to see no article from the SEL and then I read the note > >saying good-bye to Helen. > > > >Who is going to step up and take over the job? > > > >Thank you, Helen for all your service. > > > >Alan Bowen > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Fri Feb 11 03:09:23 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:09:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! References: Message-ID: <420C9263.12D3CC40@insulate.co.uk> Hi Peg Don't wait for anyone else to step up - it could be a long wait!!! I don't know what Richard put in GEM, but as I said to the List before I said anything to Richard, it's getting harder and harder to find quality threads on a subject which hasn't already been covered in the last 6 years. Of course, as soon as I decided to give it a rest, a couple of really good threads cropped up, which I've saved. Maybe between the two of us, Peg, we could keep this going and, of course, if anyone else wants to chip in, please don't be shy. Dolly William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > Hi All I was also sad to hear Helen was hanging up her virtual pen. > > I would like to run this by the SEL before I contact GEM. > > Do you think I could be a poor imitation of Helen?? or should I just forget > it and wait for someone else to step up to the plate??? > Thanks for any input, I already have a flame retardant suit. > > Peg Pfeiffer > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Feb 11 03:39:56 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:39:56 EST Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about Message-ID: <79.3ef253c2.2f3df38c@aol.com> Try your email address in Google. You will be amazed. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Feb 11 04:18:30 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:18:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Railroad Bridge Engine Message-ID: Is there an update on the engine that was allowed to be removed from a railroad bridge? Can't remember who that was...... Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From wrl at gwltd.com Fri Feb 11 05:07:33 2005 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:07:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about References: <200502110237.j1B2bxml066513@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001a01c5103a$ac9d8880$0500005a@laptop> The business I want you to find. But 90 percent of the info you found is incorrect, and about 5 years out of date. The only thing you found that was correct is one phone number, and as I said this info I want you to be able to find. J. Dave Mayfield www.w9wrl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:37 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about > > In today's world, if your going to just had out all your personal > > information. Someone is going to send you junk mail, spam, steal your > > identity, run up credit card bills, call you and try to sell > > you stuff, steal your pay pal log in, and on on. > > Hi Dave, > Finding your business took about 60 seconds. > I added the xx's so the spammers, bulk faxers > and identity thieves won't find you. > > I sincerely hope that this doesn't blow your > cover in the Witness Protection Program. > > Rob > > =-=-=-=-=-=-= > > James D. Mayfield > Global Wireless, LTD > kb9bxx > > wrl at gwltd.com > xxxbnr at revealed.net > xx at gwltd.com > > xx19 7th Street > Moline, IL 61265 > > Phone: (309) 762-60xx > Fax: (309) 757-18xx > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Fri Feb 11 06:19:15 2005 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:19:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - more "privacy" issues to worry about Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7039098A8@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>We just got rid of outhouses a few years ago! >>Tom Schmutz >>Concord, Va. USA >>Germoamer at aol.com Why? Ours still works. What in the world did you do to it? Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Fri Feb 11 06:52:58 2005 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:52:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! Message-ID: <002001c51049$78149900$67690b42@computer> Thx. Dolly, Your articles were always of interest to me. However, whenever a redhead speaks, I listen even if it comes from a bottle as you told me it did. Hope to see you this year at Portland and don't let Jim load your new free time too much with company book work. George -----Original Message----- From: Jim French To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Friday, February 11, 2005 5:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! >Hi Peg > >Don't wait for anyone else to step up - it could be a long wait!!! >I don't know what Richard put in GEM, but as I said to the List before I said >anything to Richard, it's getting harder and harder to find quality threads on >a subject which hasn't already been covered in the last 6 years. >Of course, as soon as I decided to give it a rest, a couple of really good >threads cropped up, which I've saved. >Maybe between the two of us, Peg, we could keep this going and, of course, if >anyone else wants to chip in, please don't be shy. > >Dolly > >William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > >> Hi All I was also sad to hear Helen was hanging up her virtual pen. >> >> I would like to run this by the SEL before I contact GEM. >> >> Do you think I could be a poor imitation of Helen?? or should I just forget >> it and wait for someone else to step up to the plate??? >> Thanks for any input, I already have a flame retardant suit. >> >> Peg Pfeiffer >> > >-- >Jim French >fbi at insulate.co.uk >http://www.insulate.co.uk > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Feb 11 06:59:54 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:59:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: <001a01c5103a$ac9d8880$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: Is this info correct? http://www.arrl.org/fcc/fcclook.php3?call=w9wrl Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================== >From: "Dave Mayfield" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about >Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:07:33 -0600 > >The business I want you to find. But 90 percent of the info you found is >incorrect, and about 5 years out of date. The only thing you found that was >correct is one phone number, and as I said this info I want you to be able >to find. > >J. Dave Mayfield >www.w9wrl.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rob Skinner" >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:37 PM >Subject: RE: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about > > > > > In today's world, if your going to just had out all your personal > > > information. Someone is going to send you junk mail, spam, steal your > > > identity, run up credit card bills, call you and try to sell > > > you stuff, steal your pay pal log in, and on on. > > > > Hi Dave, > > Finding your business took about 60 seconds. > > I added the xx's so the spammers, bulk faxers > > and identity thieves won't find you. > > > > I sincerely hope that this doesn't blow your > > cover in the Witness Protection Program. > > > > Rob > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > James D. Mayfield > > Global Wireless, LTD > > kb9bxx > > > > wrl at gwltd.com > > xxxbnr at revealed.net > > xx at gwltd.com > > > > xx19 7th Street > > Moline, IL 61265 > > > > Phone: (309) 762-60xx > > Fax: (309) 757-18xx > > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Feb 11 07:19:02 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:19:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: References: <001a01c5103a$ac9d8880$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050211101228.02560da8@mail.alltel.net> Your on the right track Luke. We also need to find out if Dave ever got the Hal ST 5000 RTTY DEMOD that he was looking for almost 10 months ago. Perhaps a call to 309-781-9308 will shed some light on this matter! Dave At 09:59 AM 2/11/2005, you wrote: >Is this info correct? > >http://www.arrl.org/fcc/fcclook.php3?call=w9wrl > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA >================== > >>From: "Dave Mayfield" >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Subject: Re: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about >>Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:07:33 -0600 >> >>The business I want you to find. But 90 percent of the info you found is >>incorrect, and about 5 years out of date. The only thing you found that was >>correct is one phone number, and as I said this info I want you to be able >>to find. >> >>J. Dave Mayfield >>www.w9wrl.com >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Rob Skinner" >>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >>Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:37 PM >>Subject: RE: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about >> >> >> > > In today's world, if your going to just had out all your personal >> > > information. Someone is going to send you junk mail, spam, steal your >> > > identity, run up credit card bills, call you and try to sell >> > > you stuff, steal your pay pal log in, and on on. >> > >> > Hi Dave, >> > Finding your business took about 60 seconds. >> > I added the xx's so the spammers, bulk faxers >> > and identity thieves won't find you. >> > >> > I sincerely hope that this doesn't blow your >> > cover in the Witness Protection Program. >> > >> > Rob >> > >> > =-=-=-=-=-=-= >> > >> > James D. Mayfield >> > Global Wireless, LTD >> > kb9bxx >> > >> > wrl at gwltd.com >> > xxxbnr at revealed.net >> > xx at gwltd.com >> > >> > xx19 7th Street >> > Moline, IL 61265 >> > >> > Phone: (309) 762-60xx >> > Fax: (309) 757-18xx >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Fri Feb 11 08:02:25 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:02:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! Message-ID: A big thanks to Helen for all the work she put in over the years on the GEM article. Was kind of interesting looking at an issue and rereading about some of the topics we had discussed on the list. Some times it was nice seeing something I had posted included in the article, but occasionally there would also be a comment I made which I wished hadn't been put in print for the everyone to see. I've been known to say things to family or friends (that includes SEL) that I'd rather not have spread beyond the intended audience. Isn't there some wise saying about not saying or writing things you wouldn't want shared with everyone? Anyway.... Thanks again Helen for all your work! If Peg wants to give it a go, I wish her well. Actually.... If we all wanted to help Peg, the biggest help would be to get SEL back to life again. It seems the "slick" list gets more postings than the SEL list, but the "slick" list isn't appropriate for GEM articles ;-) George Best > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Jim French > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 3:09 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > > Hi Peg > > Don't wait for anyone else to step up - it could be a long wait!!! > I don't know what Richard put in GEM, but as I said to the > List before I said anything to Richard, it's getting harder > and harder to find quality threads on a subject which hasn't > already been covered in the last 6 years. > Of course, as soon as I decided to give it a rest, a couple > of really good threads cropped up, which I've saved. > Maybe between the two of us, Peg, we could keep this going > and, of course, if anyone else wants to chip in, please don't be shy. > > Dolly > > William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > > > Hi All I was also sad to hear Helen was hanging up her virtual pen. > > > > I would like to run this by the SEL before I contact GEM. > > > > Do you think I could be a poor imitation of Helen?? or > should I just > > forget it and wait for someone else to step up to the plate??? > > Thanks for any input, I already have a flame retardant suit. > > > > Peg Pfeiffer From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 11 08:34:05 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:34:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <002001c51049$78149900$67690b42@computer> References: <002001c51049$78149900$67690b42@computer> Message-ID: Hi George, OHMYGAWD!!!! Dolly's NOT a REAL redhead? The collar & cuffs DON'T match? Wot about the curves man????? Hey, Peg, maybe you can do a GEM piece on the REAL women of the SEL? Dish the details!! 8->>> BTW, let me add my endorsement of your new "position." As Dolly said, the biggest factor is the desire to take the time to do it. Enjoy!! See ya, Arnie On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > Thx. Dolly, > Your articles were always of interest to me. However, whenever a > redhead speaks, I listen even if it comes from a bottle as you told me it > did. Hope to see you this year at Portland and don't let Jim load your new > free time too much with company book work. George From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Feb 11 08:50:42 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:50:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] WAS The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! / Now Russell Tractor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey George, I was watching RFDTV last night and they were covering a guys tractor collection. He was talking about a Russell tractor and said he got it from a George Best from Oregon. I said to my wife, "hey that has to be the same guy from the SEL!" Would that be you? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: "George Best" > > A big thanks to Helen for all the work she put in over the years on the >GEM article. Was kind of interesting looking at an issue and rereading >about some of the topics we had discussed on the list. Some times it >was nice seeing something I had posted included in the article, but >occasionally there would also be a comment I made which I wished hadn't >been put in print for the everyone to see. I've been known to say >things to family or friends (that includes SEL) that I'd rather not have >spread beyond the intended audience. > >Isn't there some wise saying about not saying or writing things you >wouldn't want shared with everyone? > >Anyway.... Thanks again Helen for all your work! > >If Peg wants to give it a go, I wish her well. > >Actually.... If we all wanted to help Peg, the biggest help would be to >get SEL back to life again. It seems the "slick" list gets more >postings than the SEL list, but the "slick" list isn't appropriate for >GEM articles ;-) > >George Best From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Feb 11 08:52:26 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:52:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bye Dolly Message-ID: <20050211.115230.1060.6.jlb94@juno.com> Gee Dolly - - - The SEL will surely miss your articles in GEM. It is a great loss. But, I'm sure we'll see you at the shows - Right ? XOXOXOXOX Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 11 09:07:00 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:07:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: YIKES!! Hey Luke, that's Federal licensing info. If THAT data is fraudulent, J.Dave may find himself dancing the horizontal mambo in his bunk at Marion with a partner who goes by the name Bubba the Bum Buster. See ya, Arnie On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Is this info correct? > > http://www.arrl.org/fcc/fcclook.php3?call=w9wrl > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ================== > > >From: "Dave Mayfield" > >The business I want you to find. But 90 percent of the info you found is > >incorrect, and about 5 years out of date. The only thing you found that was > >correct is one phone number, and as I said this info I want you to be able > >to find. > >J. Dave Mayfield > >www.w9wrl.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 11 09:26:45 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:26:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: <001a01c5103a$ac9d8880$0500005a@laptop> References: <200502110237.j1B2bxml066513@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <001a01c5103a$ac9d8880$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: ROFLMAO!!!! Errr, Dave, what would you post if you were trying to keep your personal info private and it was "outed" to the list? Something very much like this response I reckon. Somehow, I don't think the hounds will be thrown off the scent though. 8-)) BTW, if you zoom in on this pic (the left window), I think that's behavior you might want to schedule in the future for those times when the satellite is NOT overhead. But that's just me... http://www.terraserver-usa.com/addressimage.aspx?t=1&s=10&Lon=-90.52777122&Lat=41.49429396&Alon=-90.52777122&Alat=41.49429396&w=1&opt=0&addr=1821+7th+St%2c+Moline%2c+IL+61265&qs=1821+7th+St%7cMoline%7cIL See ya, Arnie On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, Dave Mayfield wrote: > The business I want you to find. But 90 percent of the info you found is > incorrect, and about 5 years out of date. The only thing you found that was > correct is one phone number, and as I said this info I want you to be able > to find. > > J. Dave Mayfield > www.w9wrl.com From BillMil357 at aol.com Fri Feb 11 09:29:55 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:29:55 EST Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! Message-ID: <1a9.316a153d.2f3e4593@aol.com> Dolly, Hate to see you go, we are sure going to miss your article in GEM, hope you have a little more leisure time now, Enjoy it. Hope to see you and Jim and the boys at Portland this year, I have never been but hope to go this year. Thanks, Bill Miller. From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Feb 11 09:34:48 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:34:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arnie, The FCC is serious about fradulent info and wrongful broadcasting. I remember reading an article a while back about a guy in Cincinnati, Ohio. His name was George Dover (I can give you his call sign if you would like). There were complaints/reports of George misusing his license. After an investigation it was reported that is wasn't George, it was his brother, Ben Dover. Ben was using his brothers ham equipment to illegally broadcast. Ben Dover is currently serving time in Marion. I wouldn't want to get caught by the FCC and get put in a cell with THAT guy! Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================= >From: Arnie Fero > >YIKES!! Hey Luke, that's Federal licensing info. If THAT data is >fraudulent, J.Dave may find himself dancing the horizontal mambo in his >bunk at Marion with a partner who goes by the name Bubba the Bum Buster. > >See ya, Arnie > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Feb 11 09:39:20 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:39:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: References: <200502110237.j1B2bxml066513@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <001a01c5103a$ac9d8880$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050211123736.02690c78@mail.alltel.net> Holy Cow Arnie--did you read the last paragraph of the Criminal Background Check? (See: page 5 at the bottom.) Dave At 12:26 PM 2/11/2005, you wrote: >ROFLMAO!!!! Errr, Dave, what would you post if you were trying to keep >your personal info private and it was "outed" to the list? Something very >much like this response I reckon. Somehow, I don't think the hounds will >be thrown off the scent though. 8-)) > >BTW, if you zoom in on this pic (the left window), I think that's behavior >you might want to schedule in the future for those times when the >satellite is NOT overhead. But that's just me... >http://www.terraserver-usa.com/addressimage.aspx?t=1&s=10&Lon=-90.52777122&Lat=41.49429396&Alon=-90.52777122&Alat=41.49429396&w=1&opt=0&addr=1821+7th+St%2c+Moline%2c+IL+61265&qs=1821+7th+St%7cMoline%7cIL > >See ya, Arnie > >On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, Dave Mayfield wrote: > > > The business I want you to find. But 90 percent of the info you found is > > incorrect, and about 5 years out of date. The only thing you found that was > > correct is one phone number, and as I said this info I want you to be able > > to find. > > > > J. Dave Mayfield > > www.w9wrl.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 11 09:55:04 2005 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:55:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! References: Message-ID: <007e01c51062$d19fd700$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> > Actually.... If we all wanted to help Peg, the biggest help would be to > get SEL back to life again. It seems the "slick" list gets more > postings than the SEL list, but the "slick" list isn't appropriate for > GEM articles ;-) All Right George! I believe you hit the nail on the head, I took the time look back on the past 5 days, what I found was this. There were a total of 88 SEL postings, (I think I weeded out all the multiples that defeat my filter and come from the guy's that are way too busy to address a separate one to each of the two lists and use therefore cc to the second one. Of the 88 messages, 39 were clearly "Off Topic", though only 25 of them were so marked, "Hey if you don't like it when I laugh at the rules *&%&% You !" Of the remaining 62 ( lets see, yup, that's 12.4 per day) 14 actually had engine information, you remember that stuff don't you, things that someone may actually need to know) That was your "Engine Colors" thread. Which was way good since there are things like "Yellow" Economies out there now. ( by the way what's a good spelling of the sound someone makes when puking their guts up?) 4 were in regard to the SEL decals, a worthy effort but hardly the stuff of a GEM column. 6 were what I think of as "Hearts and Flowers" (Get Well Fast Charley !), once again worthy but not much use to a writer. 36 were on topic, in that they spoke of engine related things like belt dressing and winter engine fun, but long before they could produce something useful, they degenerated in "Stand Up Comedy" or at least a chance to show how witty someone can be while wasting their bosses time reading the list. A good number of these last 36 were also used to thank Helen and to further this discussion, but as I look at what has been written since I started this tally, I find that this subject also is just too good to keep it straight, YUK YUK YUK ! Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm From curt at imc-group.com Fri Feb 11 11:30:08 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:30:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <420D07C0.7010901@imc-group.com> Luke, ROTFLMFAO! Very funny. As clever as that crack pot Jacques Mehoff that showed up on slick last week! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Arnie, > > The FCC is serious about fradulent info and wrongful broadcasting. I > remember reading an article a while back about a guy in Cincinnati, > Ohio. His name was George Dover (I can give you his call sign if you > would like). There were complaints/reports of George misusing his > license. After an investigation it was reported that is wasn't George, > it was his brother, Ben Dover. Ben was using his brothers ham > equipment to illegally broadcast. Ben Dover is currently serving time > in Marion. I wouldn't want to get caught by the FCC and get put in a > cell with THAT guy! > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Fri Feb 11 12:26:06 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:26:06 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Pump Question References: Message-ID: <009001c51077$ebafd950$68fc3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Does anybody know of a source for pump parts. Pump leathers, foot valves, pistons and other odds and ends. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri Feb 11 12:47:55 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:47:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Pump Question In-Reply-To: <009001c51077$ebafd950$68fc3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <20050211204755.41447.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> Jim Try Jack Welton 330-666-1576 weltonspump at aol.com I have his address also. He sells pump parts at the CPM show in PA. Curt Andree said that he has some items a few months back as well. Steve --- Jim and Diane wrote: Does anybody know of a source for pump parts. Pump leathers, foot valves, pistons and other odds and ends. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net From nick at holden1.net Fri Feb 11 12:53:16 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:53:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Pump Question References: <009001c51077$ebafd950$68fc3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <420D1B3C.000012.02732@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Jim the best place i can think of is AMOS pumps (UK) Ltd Wendron Helston Cornwall TR13 0NA phone 01326-573341 fax 01326-572322 hope this will help nick -------Original Message------- From: Jim and Diane Date: 02/11/05 20:42:19 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Pump Question Does anybody know of a source for pump parts. Pump leathers, foot valves, pistons and other odds and ends. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Feb 11 14:21:17 2005 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:51:17 +1030 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about References: <200502110237.j1B2bxml066513@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <001a01c5103a$ac9d8880$0500005a@laptop> Message-ID: <002201c51088$024fd470$32c78890@chaos> using nasa program, world wind , lets me see in every window' and travel near street level . No one is safe. It downloads aerial photos of any part of US or the world as needed. Except area 51, the ruskies have better images :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 3:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about > ROFLMAO!!!! Errr, Dave, what would you post if you were trying to keep >, if you zoom in on this pic (the left window), I think that's behavior > you might want to schedule in the future for those times when the > satellite is NOT overhead. But that's just me... > http://www.terraserver-usa.com/addressimage.aspx?t=1&s=10&Lon=-90.52777122&Lat=41.49429396&Alon=-90.52777122&Alat=41.49429396&w=1&opt=0&addr=1821+7th+St%2c+Moline%2c+IL+61265&qs=1821+7th+St%7cMoline%7cIL > > From George_Best at adp.com Fri Feb 11 14:33:15 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:33:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] WAS The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! / Now Russell Tractor Message-ID: Yes. I know that tractor well, in fact it still has my name painted on the fuel tank. I restored it years ago and traded it to my friend in Great Falls. I haven't been over to his place for a couple of years now so haven't run the Russell for a while. Once it warms up it will idle down to where you hear each cylinder fire. > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Luke Tonneberger > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 8:51 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: RE: [SEL] WAS The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! / Now > Russell Tractor > > Hey George, I was watching RFDTV last night and they were > covering a guys tractor collection. He was talking about a > Russell tractor and said he got it from a George Best from > Oregon. I said to my wife, "hey that has to be the same guy > from the SEL!" Would that be you? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ===================== > > >From: "George Best" > > > > A big thanks to Helen for all the work she put in over the > years on > >the GEM article. Was kind of interesting looking at an issue and > >rereading about some of the topics we had discussed on the > list. Some > >times it was nice seeing something I had posted included in the > >article, but occasionally there would also be a comment I > made which I > >wished hadn't been put in print for the everyone to see. I've been > >known to say things to family or friends (that includes SEL) > that I'd > >rather not have spread beyond the intended audience. > > > >Isn't there some wise saying about not saying or writing things you > >wouldn't want shared with everyone? > > > >Anyway.... Thanks again Helen for all your work! > > > >If Peg wants to give it a go, I wish her well. > > > >Actually.... If we all wanted to help Peg, the biggest help > would be to > >get SEL back to life again. It seems the "slick" list gets more > >postings than the SEL list, but the "slick" list isn't > appropriate for > >GEM articles ;-) > > > >George Best > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Fri Feb 11 14:35:32 2005 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:35:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A visit with Charlie In-Reply-To: <007501c50fb2$4d31ecc0$230110ac@PAUL> References: <007501c50fb2$4d31ecc0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050211161446.03af3be8@mail.herculesengines.com> I found myself in the Boston are, from Indiana, for a few days while my wife is attending a workshop. I have visited Charlie at his home west of St. Louis a few years ago and always visiting with him at Portland and other shows. I decided what better way to spend some time than visiting with a ill friend. I got to the hospital about 10:45 AM. Mass. General is one big hospital, there were 10 ambulances at the emergency room entrance. I got Charlies room # from the info desk and headed to his room. He is in the cardiac step down unit. When I got to his room the nurse was just finishing his bath. I ask her if I could visit with him. She indicated that it would be a few minutes before she was done with him and she'd come to the waiting room and get me when she was done. After waiting for almost 2 hours, I checked on him several times but someone was always working on him, I finally found him alone. He was sitting in a chair next to the bed looking at his lunch tray. It seems the strong antibiotics he has been on has killed his appetite. He recognized me and we had a real nice visit, talked about his health, his move to Maine and of course engines. He seems to be doing very well. He will be in this room until Monday when he will be transferred to the cardiac rehab therapy unit. He'll probably be there for a week or so before heading home. He is planning on being at his usual spot at Portland this summer. So, it looks like it will take more than a leaky valve to get this old engine guy down. After all valve jobs are standard on most of the restorations we do. :-) I'm just wondering if the doc is going to give him a slick paint job or just leave him in "as found" condition. Keith From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 11 14:08:56 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:08:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Pump Question References: <009001c51077$ebafd950$68fc3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <00bf01c51086$47fc3420$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Does anybody know of a source for pump parts. Pump leathers, foot valves, > pistons and other odds and ends. > > Jim Hey Jim Give these cats a holler http://www.deanbennett.com/cylinder_cups.htm http://www.deanbennett.com/bakerpumpjacks.htm Chuck From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Feb 11 14:59:17 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:59:17 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Another Economy question Message-ID: <20050211.145917.1304.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I am getting closer to having the 7hp Economy running on the Webster mag. I bought a push rod trip finger assembly from Hit & Miss, I thought that was what I needed to trip the mag. Well it is just part of what I need, I need the part that attaches the trip finger to the push rod. Does anyone have a good picture of what I need and what it is called? I tried to explain what I needed when I placed the last order. Oh well. Also what does the gas tank fill look like for a 1917 engine? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 11 15:10:23 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:10:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A visit with Charlie References: <007501c50fb2$4d31ecc0$230110ac@PAUL> <6.2.0.14.0.20050211161446.03af3be8@mail.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <00eb01c5108e$e0bc1470$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks Keith for this "first hand" report on Charlie, it is good to hear that our ole engine buddy is handling his restoration very well. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 4:35 PM Subject: [SEL] A visit with Charlie >I found myself in the Boston are, from Indiana, for a few days while my >wife is attending a workshop. I have visited Charlie at his home west of >St. Louis a few years ago and always visiting with him at Portland and >other shows. I decided what better way to spend some time than visiting >with a ill friend. > From cgandree at mchsi.com Fri Feb 11 15:25:50 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:25:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Pump Question Message-ID: <021120052325.24218.420D3EFE0000E59000005E9A21979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Jim, Ive got a very large supply of NOS leathers, etc. Contact me off list. Curt Andree > Does anybody know of a source for pump parts. Pump leathers, foot valves, > pistons and other odds and ends. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Feb 11 16:07:43 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:07:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! References: <002001c51049$78149900$67690b42@computer> Message-ID: <005101c51096$dfcfbf00$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> Rumor has it that Helen has taking up a new singing career. She intends to replace the lady at Portland with her new versions of "Oh Canada" etc. We can hardly wait............... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > Hi George, > > OHMYGAWD!!!! Dolly's NOT a REAL redhead? The collar & cuffs DON'T match? > Wot about the curves man????? > > Hey, Peg, maybe you can do a GEM piece on the REAL women of the SEL? > Dish the details!! 8->>> > > BTW, let me add my endorsement of your new "position." As Dolly said, the > biggest factor is the desire to take the time to do it. Enjoy!! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > > > Thx. Dolly, > > Your articles were always of interest to me. However, whenever a > > redhead speaks, I listen even if it comes from a bottle as you told me it > > did. Hope to see you this year at Portland and don't let Jim load your new > > free time too much with company book work. George > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 11 16:24:10 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:24:10 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Rather expensive model Message-ID: <000d01c51099$2d5ce2f0$8c9f0952@no1> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5954163863 I think paying 23,444 US Dollar for a model engine is a little over the top! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Fri Feb 11 16:35:49 2005 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:35:49 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Pump Question In-Reply-To: <009001c51077$ebafd950$68fc3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: Jim, Try http://www.acdepuydt.com, and they're local (o.k., maybe more local for me than they are for you) They are a great outfit and carry lots of different stuff for sealing - Garlock, Buna, Viton, etc. for a good price. Have fun shopping, -- Kelley Garcia La Habra, Ka. USA On 2/11/05 12:26 PM, "Jim and Diane" wrote: > Does anybody know of a source for pump parts. Pump leathers, foot valves, > pistons and other odds and ends. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 11 16:08:54 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:08:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Rather expensive model References: <000d01c51099$2d5ce2f0$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: <001b01c51097$0a59f1a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Id take off a grand straight for the bike carb > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5954163863 > I think paying 23,444 US Dollar for a model engine is a little over the top! From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 11 16:43:16 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:43:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <005101c51096$dfcfbf00$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> References: <002001c51049$78149900$67690b42@computer> <005101c51096$dfcfbf00$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: <1108168996.420d512449fc5@webmail.city-net.com> Mike, What a brilliant idea!! I think this should be a "command performance." While I've not personally heard Dolly sing, I have heard that she has a legendary singing voice. See ya, Arnie Quoting Mike Royster : > Rumor has it that Helen has taking up a new singing career. She intends to > replace the lady at Portland with her new versions of "Oh Canada" etc. We > can hardly wait............... From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Feb 11 16:45:17 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:45:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <005101c51096$dfcfbf00$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> References: <002001c51049$78149900$67690b42@computer> <005101c51096$dfcfbf00$966e8645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: I'll be glad to provide a no-singing slide guitar version of "The Star Spangled Banner." I'd ditch "O Canada." It is in Indiana, for pete's sake! John On Feb 11, 2005, at 7:07 PM, Mike Royster wrote: > Rumor has it that Helen has taking up a new singing career. She > intends to > replace the lady at Portland with her new versions of "Oh Canada" etc. > We > can hardly wait............... John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 11 16:48:31 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:48:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rather expensive model In-Reply-To: <000d01c51099$2d5ce2f0$8c9f0952@no1> References: <000d01c51099$2d5ce2f0$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: <1108169311.420d525f0009c@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Dave, I'll be the first to admit that the current exchange rate sucks, but it's not quite THAT bad. Yet... That engine went for $4,768 US (still pricy). See http://www.xe.com/ucc/ See ya, Arnie Quoting Dave Croft : > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5954163863 > I think paying 23,444 US Dollar for a model engine is a little over the top! From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Feb 11 16:58:43 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:58:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Pump Question In-Reply-To: <009001c51077$ebafd950$68fc3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <200502120058.j1C0wjFq003170@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Does anybody know of a source for pump parts. Pump leathers, > foot valves, pistons and other odds and ends. Heya Jim, Try A.C. DePuydt. They have what you need. And in the rare event that you can dream up something they don't have on the shelf, they'll make it for you. They're in Commerce right off the 5 at about Slauson. If you're not willing to come down off the mountain, visit their web page at http://www.acdepuydt.com Another option is: Orange County Pump 1310 N. Harbor Blvd. Santa Ana, CA 92703 (800)400-PUMP =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 11 17:00:17 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:00:17 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Rather expensive model References: <000d01c51099$2d5ce2f0$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: <000401c5109e$38e954a0$8c9f0952@no1> Sorry, Something went wrong with the currency converter. I think it comes out at 4,767.87 USD. Still a lot for a model. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 12:24 AM Subject: [SEL] Rather expensive model > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5954163863 > I think paying 23,444 US Dollar for a model engine is a little over the top! > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rexhinz at chorus.net Fri Feb 11 17:22:58 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:22:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] How big an engine ? Message-ID: <000701c510a1$65a88850$7d86a5d8@mycomputer> Hi list; I was asked today from fellow workers how big a hit miss engine it would take to power a threshing machine , I couldn't give them nothing but a guess , my guess was around 7 Hp , was I any where close ? can anyone on list say " been there done that ! " lets hear some guesses Rex Hinz if you can't get your beer can open you proabbly don't need any more From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Feb 11 17:33:44 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:33:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Another Economy question References: <20050211.145917.1304.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Take a look here Ron: It's a 5hp tho so don't know about your seven. If they are indeed the same, let me know and I'll do more pictures and measurements. http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/76454981ExJSvN Take care, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 3:59 PM Subject: [SEL] Another Economy question > Hi all. I am getting closer to having the 7hp Economy running on the > Webster mag. I bought a push rod trip finger assembly from Hit & Miss, I > thought that was what I needed to trip the mag. Well it is just part of > what I need, I need the part that attaches the trip finger to the push > rod. Does anyone have a good picture of what I need and what it is > called? I tried to explain what I needed when I placed the last order. > Oh well. Also what does the gas tank fill look like for a 1917 engine? > Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Feb 11 17:52:22 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:52:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How big an engine ? In-Reply-To: <000701c510a1$65a88850$7d86a5d8@mycomputer> References: <000701c510a1$65a88850$7d86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050211204910.0e002f50@mail.alltel.net> At 08:22 PM 2/11/2005, you wrote: > Hi list; > I was asked today from fellow workers how big a hit miss engine it >would take to power a threshing machine , I couldn't give them nothing but >a guess , my guess was around 7 Hp , was I any where close ? can anyone on >list say " been there done that ! " lets hear some guesses > > Rex Hinz Hi Rex, It, of course, would depend on the size of the threshing machine but I think it would take more than a 7 HP. My 15 HP IHC will pull my club's thresher. Dave From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Feb 11 19:07:00 2005 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:07:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! Message-ID: <410-220052612370453@earthlink.net> You mean I won't have to put ear plugs in this year? TIm Christoff Basehor KS. tchristoff at earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: Mike Royster > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/11/2005 6:10:04 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > > Rumor has it that Helen has taking up a new singing career. She intends to > replace the lady at Portland with her new versions of "Oh Canada" etc. We > can hardly wait............... > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Fri Feb 11 19:12:50 2005 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:12:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Another Economy question In-Reply-To: References: <20050211.145917.1304.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050211211223.03ab43f0@mail.herculesengines.com> All mag parts are the same for the 5 and 7 HP engines. Keith At 07:33 PM 2/11/2005, you wrote: >Take a look here Ron: It's a 5hp tho so don't know about your seven. If >they are indeed the same, let me know and I'll do more pictures and >measurements. > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/76454981ExJSvN > >Take care, >RickinMt. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 3:59 PM >Subject: [SEL] Another Economy question > > > > Hi all. I am getting closer to having the 7hp Economy running on the > > Webster mag. I bought a push rod trip finger assembly from Hit & Miss, I > > thought that was what I needed to trip the mag. Well it is just part of > > what I need, I need the part that attaches the trip finger to the push > > rod. Does anyone have a good picture of what I need and what it is > > called? I tried to explain what I needed when I placed the last order. > > Oh well. Also what does the gas tank fill look like for a 1917 engine? > > Thanks. > > > > Ron Haskell > > rdhaskell at juno.com > > Riverside, California > > USA > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Feb 11 19:29:44 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:29:44 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Another Economy question Message-ID: <20050211.194218.1304.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks for the pictures Rick. I looked at all 49 of them, nice job. Glenn sent a close up picture of the piece I need. It is a casting, I will try Hit & Miss tomorrow and see if they have it. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:33:44 -0700 "Richard Strobel" writes: > Take a look here Ron: It's a 5hp tho so don't know about your seven. > If > they are indeed the same, let me know and I'll do more pictures and > > measurements. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/76454981ExJSvN > > Take care, > RickinMt. From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Feb 11 19:43:38 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:43:38 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Another Economy question Message-ID: <20050211.194340.1304.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Keith. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:12:50 -0600 Keith Kinney writes: > All mag parts are the same for the 5 and 7 HP engines. > Keith From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Feb 11 19:56:02 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:56:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <410-220052612370453@earthlink.net> References: <410-220052612370453@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050211225325.0e0584b0@mail.alltel.net> Fother Mucker that's sure as hell NOT what the man said! Dave >You mean I won't have to put ear plugs in this year? > >TIm Christoff >Basehor KS. >tchristoff at earthlink.net > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Mike Royster > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: 2/11/2005 6:10:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > > > > Rumor has it that Helen has taking up a new singing career. She intends >to > > replace the lady at Portland with her new versions of "Oh Canada" etc. We > > can hardly wait............... > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 11 20:14:21 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:14:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] More engine colors Message-ID: <20050212041422.85266.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> My Caterpillar engines came in both yellow and gray. The little 1918-vintage overhead cam four cylinder Hall-Scott belonging to a buddy is gray with red lettering. In the nearby oil field the giant V-10 and V-12 11.5-inch bore x 11-inch stroke Fairbanks-Morse natural gas engines that run the natural gas compressors are tan (only in my dreams could I ever afford to either own one or pay for the fuel one of those burns!), the one Roline I ever saw was white. The Allis-Chalmers farm engines I have seen were all orange, the Minneaplis-Moline ones were dark brown. My Indian-made G-G Automotive Gears manufactured "caste iron" clone of the Petter 24/2 is a beautiful dark metallic green. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 11 20:18:55 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:18:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Good Report on Charlie Message-ID: <015401c510b9$f83c9040$230110ac@PAUL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" To: Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 9:43 PM Subject: Good Report on Charlie > Hello from snowy Maine! (had 18 inches from this storm) > Thanks for your note. You wouldn't have wanted to be helping on any > moving here today! Roads have been very slippery. We were happy to stay > home but have to go out in the AM. Should be better then. > > Had a surprise call from Charlie at 4PM today. He was happy to tell me > the culture reports today were good. He was happy, too, to have a visit > from engine friend, Keith --believe his last name is Jenny.--wanted me to > pass that info on. If all goes well he is to be transferred to Spaulding > Rehab Center Monday or Tuesday --not far from MA. General. > > Prayer works! Thanks, > Lois > From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Feb 11 20:34:25 2005 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:34:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! Message-ID: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> Lets break this down then. Mike made the comment that Helen was going to replace the lady at Portland (whose voice will make anyone's ears hurt) with her version of "Oh Canada" etc., hence my comment. Now what part of "that's sure as hell NOT what the man said" have to do with my reply? Tim > [Original Message] > From: Dave Rotigel > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/11/2005 9:57:04 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > > Fother Mucker that's sure as hell NOT what the man said! > Dave > >You mean I won't have to put ear plugs in this year? > > > >TIm Christoff > >Basehor KS. > >tchristoff at earthlink.net > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Mike Royster > > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > > Date: 2/11/2005 6:10:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > > > > > > Rumor has it that Helen has taking up a new singing career. She intends > >to > > > replace the lady at Portland with her new versions of "Oh Canada" etc. We > > > can hardly wait............... > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Feb 11 20:57:44 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:57:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] More Engine Colours Message-ID: <200502120457.j1C4vmKH042053@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Some more colours (off the top of my head): Austral Oil Engines: Gloss Black, Green, Gray, Red Ronaldson-Tippett Type N: Almost any colour depending on the customer and what name they were sold under but mainly Green, Red or Black Rosebery (including Buzacott): mainly green but other colours depending on what name they were sold under e.g. Champions are mainly gray Challenge: Green, Blue, Maroon Fairbanks-Morse: mostly green (but with some red Jack-of-all-Trades engines here in Oz) Stover: Green but some earlier engines are red or red & green Bartram: Black Massey-Harris: Orangey-Red Blackstone: green Root & VanDervoort: Green (but early engines are maroon) Fuller & Johnson: Green (but again early engines are maroon) Of course the colours varied a lot and I am pretty sure many of the manufacturers and distributors would give you any almost any colour you wanted if sales were slow ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Feb 12 01:05:54 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:05:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] More Engine Colours In-Reply-To: <200502120457.j1C4vmKH042053@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <20050212090554.88024.qmail@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi All Anyone any ideas on colours for early Gardner gas engines and Atkinson Cycle engines? That'll test the encyclopaediac knowledge of the experts (hopefully). Regards Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From guitronics at comcast.net Sat Feb 12 02:06:01 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:06:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050211123736.02690c78@mail.alltel.net> References: <200502110237.j1B2bxml066513@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <001a01c5103a$ac9d8880$0500005a@laptop> <6.1.2.0.0.20050211123736.02690c78@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <420DD509.5030908@comcast.net> Michael P. Koryciak wrote: I went to the ARRL site,via the link.When I tried to leave the site, I was presented with the "Sender requests a verification that you read this page"....so in light of Terrorism/National Security,etc.,the site probably is recording IP addresses....or so I think. I could be wrong.I get QST.You guys Ham's?What bands do you work? I don't have a ticket yet.I'm finally getting to the point where I can afford the Transceivers. Plus:I want to get 2 hand guns and a shotgun, and 2 CCW's for my wife and myself first. From guitronics at comcast.net Sat Feb 12 03:05:47 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:05:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More engine colors In-Reply-To: <20050212041422.85266.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050212041422.85266.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <420DE30B.70604@comcast.net> I'm interested in knowing about the Indian - Built "Listeroid" .....how do you like it? Anyone else have Listeroids, or - Listers? Richard Allen wrote: >My Caterpillar engines came in both yellow and gray. The little >1918-vintage overhead cam four cylinder Hall-Scott belonging to a buddy >is gray with red lettering. In the nearby oil field the giant V-10 and >V-12 11.5-inch bore x 11-inch stroke Fairbanks-Morse natural gas >engines that run the natural gas compressors are tan (only in my dreams >could I ever afford to either own one or pay for the fuel one of those >burns!), the one Roline I ever saw was white. The Allis-Chalmers farm >engines I have seen were all orange, the Minneaplis-Moline ones were >dark brown. My Indian-made G-G Automotive Gears manufactured "caste >iron" clone of the Petter 24/2 is a beautiful dark metallic green. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From dcox at triad.rr.com Sat Feb 12 03:51:46 2005 From: dcox at triad.rr.com (Dallas Cox) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:51:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators Message-ID: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Has anyone run a engine on a "on-demand" propane regulator? I am speaking about oil field type engines but could be used on any other engine. Anyone have any ideas on a paint color for a 20 HP, J. C., Oil field engine? Helen, you have done great with the GEM articles, and I am sure Peg would do the same, I would like to see the SEL article continue. Dave, Arnie, do you think you both will be off house arrest in time for our usual summer shows ? Dallas From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sat Feb 12 04:37:23 2005 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:37:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How big an engine ? References: <000701c510a1$65a88850$7d86a5d8@mycomputer> <6.1.2.0.0.20050211204910.0e002f50@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <003f01c51100$66df2760$09d14c0c@pentium> Since most threshers were pulled by tractors, whatever size tractor was required should be the same as the size of engine needed, assuming tractor belt horsepower is the same as engine belt horsepower. The horsepower needed for a thresher is somewhat dependent on 2other things besides size of machine and crop conditions. Does it have a blower on it? The one dad has is a very late model IH machine but does not have a blower but a conveyor instead. Those blowers really eat up some HP. How hard are you feeding it? When loaded these machines were designed to take bundles touching head to tail on the the feeder, not with 4 foot gaps between them. John Hall From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 12 04:57:17 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:57:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators In-Reply-To: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> References: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050212075121.0e08f970@mail.alltel.net> Hi Dallas, >Has anyone run a engine on a "on-demand" propane regulator? I am speaking >about oil field type engines but could be used on any other engine. Jake faith ran several of his engines on them last year. Worked well and saved A LOT. They ran on about 1/8 (or less) of the propane usually needed! Jake has an order in for 20 of the units and will be selling them for $100.00. That will include everything that you need--ie both regulators, the hose and the fittings etc. >Dave, Arnie, do you think you both will be off house arrest in time for >our usual summer shows ? The ankle bands come off next month. We are ready! >Dallas Dave From prepair at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 05:11:48 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:11:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment Message-ID: <0ovr01hvp3o87jbr30b3st2mh9o9f4sgqu@4ax.com> As we seem to be a little quiet on engine-related subjects of late, a couple of items crossed my mind while driving down to see a machinery dealer this morning at 7am :-(( 1) How many guys and gals on the list have 'machinery' at home or a home workshop with machine tools such as a lathe etc? 2) How often does that machinery get used, and is it only used on engine stuff or other hobby/home/work jobs as well? We have been building up a workshop facility at home for the last couple of years, and have almost reached the overflow point for space, so we are refining what we have in the way of machines and looking to get rid of some duplicates or machines that have a function that we can use another one for. Although the '7-day weekend' is not quite upon us, it makes sense to build this up now while we have the trade contacts and income, for it sure as hell won't be there once we have retired! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From prepair at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 05:17:32 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:17:32 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050212075121.0e08f970@mail.alltel.net> References: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212075121.0e08f970@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4e0s01l27p7o7glvhfgtgpdkl6gn2usedt@4ax.com> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:57:17 -0500, you wrote: >>Dave, Arnie, do you think you both will be off house arrest in time for >>our usual summer shows ? > >The ankle bands come off next month. We are ready! > Dave That's a relief! Portland wouldn't be the same without you two.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat Feb 12 05:15:31 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:15:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators References: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Message-ID: <000f01c51104$ed786940$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Dallas, Yes I run my HSCS side shaft on propane and last summer my six horse M. They run nice and quietly on propane. Here in Holland the most guys use a demand regulater as shown in the picture. The Red one is for regulating the pressure and the Blue one is the demand valve. When starting the engine you push the little brass knob and when the engine runs it opens automatically when the engine sucks and closed when the inlet valve closed. Picture can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/regulater.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Has anyone run a engine on a "on-demand" propane regulator? I am speaking > about > oil field type engines but could be used on any other engine. > > Dallas From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Feb 12 06:04:44 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:04:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Another Economy question References: <20050211.194218.1304.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: There should be two small dimples (on the exhaust pushrod) that the setscrews rest in. I assume this is to correctly position the piece in question. They are on the underside. Thanks for the compliment! Lots of fun but now won't start..bad gas maybe. Let me know if I can help. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Another Economy question > Thanks for the pictures Rick. I looked at all 49 of them, nice job. > Glenn sent a close up picture of the piece I need. It is a casting, I > will try Hit & Miss tomorrow and see if they have it. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:33:44 -0700 "Richard Strobel" > writes: > > Take a look here Ron: It's a 5hp tho so don't know about your seven. > > If > > they are indeed the same, let me know and I'll do more pictures and > > > > measurements. > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/76454981ExJSvN > > > > Take care, > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Feb 12 06:17:00 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:17:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment References: <0ovr01hvp3o87jbr30b3st2mh9o9f4sgqu@4ax.com> Message-ID: <001b01c5110d$8459c590$40c19a18@pengy> At the Tod Engine restoration shop we have a Hendey 16" swing by 8' bed lathe, circa 1912, Shumaker & Boye 24" swing x 16' bed lathe, circa 1908, 28" Cincinnati drill press circa 1910 and a Cincinnati Bickford radial drill press circa 1920. None are operational as of yet and all were flat belt driven at one time. A friend has an Enco Mill Drill and a business associate has a Rong Fu mill drill, neither of which is set up either. we also have an elcheapo metalcutting band saw. One of the projects for this year is to put these machines to productive use. At the Tod Engine Works foundry we have a 9" bore cupola furnace and this coming week I will be building a 13" bore brass/aluminum crucible furnace. At the foundry that I do contract work for is an assortment of other equipment that I can use, most notably is a recently acquired Wheelabrator tumbleblast machine. This machine can take any piece of metal with unlimited amounts of rust, scale, paint etc. and turn it a bright silvery color in 5 minutes removing everything but the base metal. On my list of things to acquire include a better quality bandsaw, a good welder, and woodworking tools so that I can start making patterns. Our rubber tired shop equipment list includes an Allis Chalmers front end loader and a Coles truck crane (basketcase). Both are recent acquisitions and await movement to the heritage park and restoration shop respectively. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prepair Ltd" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 8:11 AM Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment > As we seem to be a little quiet on engine-related subjects of late, a > couple of items crossed my mind while driving down to see a machinery > dealer this morning at 7am :-(( > > 1) How many guys and gals on the list have 'machinery' at home or a > home workshop with machine tools such as a lathe etc? > > 2) How often does that machinery get used, and is it only used on > engine stuff or other hobby/home/work jobs as well? > > We have been building up a workshop facility at home for the last > couple of years, and have almost reached the overflow point for space, > so we are refining what we have in the way of machines and looking to > get rid of some duplicates or machines that have a function that we > can use another one for. > > Although the '7-day weekend' is not quite upon us, it makes sense to > build this up now while we have the trade contacts and income, for it > sure as hell won't be there once we have retired! > > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK > prepair at easynet.co.uk > http://www.prepair.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From prepair at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 07:06:09 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:06:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] More engine colors In-Reply-To: <420DE30B.70604@comcast.net> References: <20050212041422.85266.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> <420DE30B.70604@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:05:47 -0500, you wrote: >I'm interested in knowing about the Indian - Built "Listeroid" .....how >do you like it? Anyone else have Listeroids, or - Listers? Quite a few of the Indian-built engines are in the USA, and you can buy them new on ebay. Quality, or lack of it seems to have been a recurring complaint over the years, and as there is no development programme, the engines are not improved upon, they are just copies of the Lister originals. One regular complaint for the twins was that of crankshaft failure for example. As for genuine Lister engines, there are also quite a few of these as well, even in the USA where Lister had a manufacturing plant during WW2, and a cooperative arrangement with Nordberg. We have a few ourselves... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From tsmith at hal-pc.org Sat Feb 12 07:13:01 2005 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:13:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators References: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212075121.0e08f970@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <005001c51115$583b16a0$1886b4ce@toms> Hi Dave, How would one get in touch with Jake to obtain one of these regulators? Thanks, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Propane regulators > Hi Dallas, >>Has anyone run a engine on a "on-demand" propane regulator? I am speaking >>about oil field type engines but could be used on any other engine. > > Jake faith ran several of his engines on them last year. Worked well and > saved A LOT. They ran on about 1/8 (or less) of the propane usually > needed! Jake has an order in for 20 of the units and will be selling them > for $100.00. That will include everything that you need--ie both > regulators, the hose and the fittings etc. > >>Dave, Arnie, do you think you both will be off house arrest in time for >>our usual summer shows ? > > The ankle bands come off next month. We are ready! > > >>Dallas > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 12 07:43:10 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:43:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators In-Reply-To: <005001c51115$583b16a0$1886b4ce@toms> References: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212075121.0e08f970@mail.alltel.net> <005001c51115$583b16a0$1886b4ce@toms> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050212103603.0e053ec0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Tom, Jake will have the regulators at Coolspring this year. You can also reach him by phone at: 724.295.4643. Mornings are best since he works 2nd shift. I just talked to Jake and he is going to look into what the shipping cost (USPS) would be. Don't think it would be too much! Dave >Hi Dave, >How would one get in touch with Jake to obtain one of these regulators? >Thanks, >Tom > >>Hi Dallas, >>>Has anyone run a engine on a "on-demand" propane regulator? I am speaking >>>about oil field type engines but could be used on any other engine. >> >>Jake faith ran several of his engines on them last year. Worked well and >>saved A LOT. They ran on about 1/8 (or less) of the propane usually >>needed! Jake has an order in for 20 of the units and will be selling them >>for $100.00. That will include everything that you need--ie both >>regulators, the hose and the fittings etcDallas >> Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 12 08:42:06 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:42:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More engine colors In-Reply-To: References: <20050212041422.85266.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> <420DE30B.70604@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1108226526.420e31de76bca@webmail.city-net.com> Said with CLASSIC British understatement and a twinkle in the eye... 8-)) Quoting Prepair Ltd : > As for genuine Lister engines, there are also quite a few of these as > well, > We have a few ourselves... From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Feb 12 08:49:32 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:49:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More engine colors In-Reply-To: <420DE30B.70604@comcast.net> References: <20050212041422.85266.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> <420DE30B.70604@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8f2e07495bbd0cd4ea78f171a616c932@chartertn.net> Yeah, I've got a Listeroid, which I love. (I believe I'm the first user of the "Listeroid" word, in fact.) Guess I ought to put up a FAQ page, since I get E-mail inquiries about it on a daily basis. Mine's named "Dolly." I have a Web page with pictures and video at: http://oldengine.org/members/culp/dolly.html I haven't updated that page since mid-2000. The information that the EPA would no longer allow them to be imported was true then, but has since changed, and Mike Montieth's contact info's changed. I'll fix it one of these days. Right after I quit procrastinating, which I'm thinking about doing anytime now. John On Feb 12, 2005, at 6:05 AM, lightningrod wrote: > I'm interested in knowing about the Indian - Built "Listeroid" > .....how do you like it? Anyone else have Listeroids, or - Listers? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 12 08:59:51 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:59:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Home Workshops & Equipment In-Reply-To: <20050212162453.MEOR4519.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> References: <20050212162453.MEOR4519.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <1108227591.420e3607c2bd8@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Chuck, Welcome to the list! That "finger treadel" engine is really neat!! http://members.cox.net/cdfellows/finger2.jpg Is that one of your designs as well? PS - Good plan on the design and layout of your garage. I used to me able to get my Jeep inside. But that was probably five years ago. Keep an eye on that Herc. They tend to multiply if they're not carefully watched. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting cfellows at cox.net: > I'm 61 years old and live in a suburb of Phoenix. My house is about 5 years > old and I have a 3 car garage. The wife uses the 1 car side and I have my > shop set up on the 2 car side. I had the garage made an extra 4 feet long > and my tools are arranged around the walls so I have room to get my pickup in > the garage at night. > If you're interested, you can see some of my work at my web site: > http://members.cox.net/cdfellows From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat Feb 12 09:38:19 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:38:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> Hi Tim Allow me to enlighten you. Mike said he'd heard I was going to replace the current anthem singer. Dave said that was NOT a reason to throw away the earplugs. Rather, if I were to sing, those present at Portland who had NOT flung themselves to the ground in panic or run away, would be prostrating themselves BEGGING for the return of the present incumbent. My talents are many, but singing is not included. Dolly Tim Christoff wrote: > Lets break this down then. Mike made the comment that Helen was going to > replace the lady at Portland (whose voice will make anyone's ears hurt) > with her version of "Oh Canada" etc., hence my comment. Now what part of > "that's sure as hell NOT what the man said" have to do with my reply? > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 10/02/2005 From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Feb 12 09:48:58 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:48:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment Message-ID: <20050212.094858.1136.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hello Peter. I have a Swiss made gap lathe, 14" swing and 20" with gap out and about 5?' bed. And a Taiwan copy of a Bridgeport mill. The use varies, sometimes every day, then they may rest for a month. They are used on engine things as well as other projects. It is very satisfying to need a part to repair a latch on a microwave or similar appliance that is not available, then take a scrap of metal and machine one out that is better than the plastic original. I look as machinery as an investment, pays off every time you use it and it doesn't eat any groceries waiting for the next time to be used. Then when you no longer need it, sell for as much as you paid for it or more. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:11:48 +0000 Prepair Ltd writes: > As we seem to be a little quiet on engine-related subjects of late, a > couple of items crossed my mind while driving down to see a > machinery > dealer this morning at 7am :-(( > > 1) How many guys and gals on the list have 'machinery' at home or a > home workshop with machine tools such as a lathe etc? > > 2) How often does that machinery get used, and is it only used on > engine stuff or other hobby/home/work jobs as well? > > We have been building up a workshop facility at home for the last > couple of years, and have almost reached the overflow point for > space, > so we are refining what we have in the way of machines and looking > to > get rid of some duplicates or machines that have a function that we > can use another one for. > > Although the '7-day weekend' is not quite upon us, it makes sense to > build this up now while we have the trade contacts and income, for > it > sure as hell won't be there once we have retired! > > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK > prepair at easynet.co.uk > http://www.prepair.co.uk From ottawa at pa.net Sat Feb 12 09:50:27 2005 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:50:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about References: <200502110237.j1B2bxml066513@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><001a01c5103a$ac9d8880$0500005a@laptop> <6.1.2.0.0.20050211123736.02690c78@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <023301c5112b$567c4da0$f1f0cd97@HONDESKTOP> That is one pretty flower! Thanks for the picture! Hon ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Rotigel To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about Holy Cow Arnie--did you read the last paragraph of the Criminal Background Check? (See: page 5 at the bottom.) Dave At 12:26 PM 2/11/2005, you wrote: >ROFLMAO!!!! Errr, Dave, what would you post if you were trying to keep >your personal info private and it was "outed" to the list? Something very >much like this response I reckon. Somehow, I don't think the hounds will >be thrown off the scent though. 8-)) > >BTW, if you zoom in on this pic (the left window), I think that's behavior >you might want to schedule in the future for those times when the >satellite is NOT overhead. But that's just me... >http://www.terraserver-usa.com/addressimage.aspx?t=1&s=10&Lon=-90.52777122&Lat=41.49429396&Alon=-90.52777122&Alat=41.49429396&w=1&opt=0&addr=1821+7th+St%2c+Moline%2c+IL+61265&qs=1821+7th+St%7cMoline%7cIL > >See ya, Arnie > >On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, Dave Mayfield wrote: > > > The business I want you to find. But 90 percent of the info you found is > > incorrect, and about 5 years out of date. The only thing you found that was > > correct is one phone number, and as I said this info I want you to be able > > to find. > > > > J. Dave Mayfield > > www.w9wrl.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ottawa at pa.net Sat Feb 12 09:57:14 2005 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:57:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about Message-ID: <023e01c5112c$49a2b3c0$f1f0cd97@HONDESKTOP> Sorry about that stupid message. I didn't do it my fingers did it! I was thinking about another message & hit reply on the wrong message! Oh well it just adds more garbage to this senseless thread! Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: George/Helen Myers To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about That is one pretty flower! Thanks for the picture! Hon ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Rotigel To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT more "privacy" issues to worry about Holy Cow Arnie--did you read the last paragraph of the Criminal Background Check? (See: page 5 at the bottom.) Dave From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Feb 12 10:00:40 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:00:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> Besides, they'd have to add "God Save the Queen," "Rule Brittania," and "Hey, You, Get Off of My Cloud." John On Feb 12, 2005, at 12:38 PM, Jim French wrote: > Hi Tim > > Allow me to enlighten you. Mike said he'd heard I was going to > replace the > current anthem singer. Dave said that was NOT a reason to throw away > the > earplugs. Rather, if I were to sing, those present at Portland who > had NOT > flung themselves to the ground in panic or run away, would be > prostrating > themselves BEGGING for the return of the present incumbent. My > talents are > many, but singing is not included. > > Dolly John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat Feb 12 10:06:50 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:06:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment References: <0ovr01hvp3o87jbr30b3st2mh9o9f4sgqu@4ax.com> Message-ID: <004a01c5112d$a012bbf0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hello Peter, Since I have a "7-day weekend" I bought me several machines before I retired. You know retirement cost income so I decided it to do before the final date. I'm pretty much working in the shop mostly every day. Make alot new parts for my engines and new constructed trucks and do some work for my engine and tractor friends when they are in need for something. My wife that still works [ very easy for extra pocket money :o)) ] told me the only thing you need in the shop is a bed. Tomorrow we go to a "Black Market" to buy some tools, mostly Polish guys that "organized" factory tools and trade them there. I'm still learning machining and love it, every day is a good day. Some pictures of my shop can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/indexWSI.htm John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > 1) How many guys and gals on the list have 'machinery' at home or a > home workshop with machine tools such as a lathe etc? > > 2) How often does that machinery get used, and is it only used on > engine stuff or other hobby/home/work jobs as well? > > Although the '7-day weekend' is not quite upon us, it makes sense to > build this up now while we have the trade contacts and income, for it > sure as hell won't be there once we have retired! > Peter A Forbes > Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK > prepair at easynet.co.uk > http://www.prepair.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 12 10:10:41 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:10:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators In-Reply-To: <000f01c51104$ed786940$3e636854@Sixmjohn> References: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> <000f01c51104$ed786940$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <1108231841.420e46a1eb096@webmail.city-net.com> Hi John, When you rig one of your petrol (or parrifin) engines to use this "on demand" propane setup, how do rig it? Do you connect the propane line to the mixer where the fuel line would normally go? What sort of process do you go through in setting & experimenting with mixtures? I think this would make a great "how to" article for GEM. 8-)) I'd like to experiment a bit this summer. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting John Hammink : > Yes I run my HSCS side shaft on propane and last summer > my six horse M. They run nice and quietly on propane. > Here in Holland the most guys use a demand regulater as > shown in the picture. The Red one is for regulating the > pressure and the Blue one is the demand valve. When > starting the engine you push the little brass knob and when > the engine runs it opens automatically when the engine sucks > and closed when the inlet valve closed. Picture can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/regulater.jpg From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 10:35:51 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:35:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] More engine colors In-Reply-To: <1108226526.420e31de76bca@webmail.city-net.com> References: <20050212041422.85266.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> <420DE30B.70604@comcast.net> <1108226526.420e31de76bca@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:42:06 -0500, you wrote: >Said with CLASSIC British understatement and a twinkle in the eye... 8-)) > >Quoting Prepair Ltd : > >> As for genuine Lister engines, there are also quite a few of these as >> well, >> We have a few ourselves... Yes, we tend to be good at that don't we? :-)) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 10:40:09 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:40:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> <07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:00:40 -0500, you wrote: >Besides, they'd have to add "God Save the Queen," "Rule Brittania," and >"Hey, You, Get Off of My Cloud." > >John "Britannia", please! :-)) It's like us calling your anthem The Star Mangled Spanner" !! (There's a sci-fi story somewhere with that in) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Feb 12 10:43:16 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:43:16 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment Message-ID: <20050212.104316.1136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> NICE shop John. Nice work too. Thanks for the pictures. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 10:47:15 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:47:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators In-Reply-To: <1108231841.420e46a1eb096@webmail.city-net.com> References: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> <000f01c51104$ed786940$3e636854@Sixmjohn> <1108231841.420e46a1eb096@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:10:41 -0500, you wrote: >Hi John, > >When you rig one of your petrol (or parrifin) engines to use this "on demand" >propane setup, how do rig it? Do you connect the propane line to the mixer >where the fuel line would normally go? What sort of process do you go through >in setting & experimenting with mixtures? > >I think this would make a great "how to" article for GEM. 8-)) > >I'd like to experiment a bit this summer. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero Bit of info that you 'might' find useful: 1) When we used to install Onan AJ single-cylinder engines in the ice-cream vans over here, they used a very simple arrangement. The float bowl and needle valve were removed, and the gas pipe from the demand regulator was literally pushed over the carb body jet tube in which was located the main jet. 2) The demand regulator doesn't do anything until it sees a slight depression in the carb, so you have a start pushbutton which allows gas to flow enough to start the engine. 3) On cold days we would have a plastic bottle with petrol in, which we used to squirt a drop onto the air cleaner gauze so the engine would start without any hassle. 4) Propane/Butane is a 'dirty' gas, and a lot of crud comes across with the gas flow that deposits in the demand regulator and around the jet tube. 5) Gas is very 'dry' in engine terms, and you may find that valves need seating more often as there is no cooling effect of the fuel vaporising which you would have with liquid fuel. We used to find that a petrol engine running on petrol would have less valve maintenance than one on gas. 6) Oil contamination is much less with gas, we used to get twice the life out of oil on gas-run engines. HTH Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sat Feb 12 10:59:32 2005 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:59:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! Message-ID: <410-22005261218593262@earthlink.net> Thank you Dolly, that makes more sense. > [Original Message] > From: Jim French > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/12/2005 11:38:22 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > > Hi Tim > > Allow me to enlighten you. Mike said he'd heard I was going to replace the > current anthem singer. Dave said that was NOT a reason to throw away the > earplugs. Rather, if I were to sing, those present at Portland who had NOT > flung themselves to the ground in panic or run away, would be prostrating > themselves BEGGING for the return of the present incumbent. My talents are > many, but singing is not included. > > Dolly > > From tsmith at hal-pc.org Sat Feb 12 11:14:17 2005 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:14:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators References: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA><6.1.2.0.0.20050212075121.0e08f970@mail.alltel.net><005001c51115$583b16a0$1886b4ce@toms> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212103603.0e053ec0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <007101c51137$0cf407c0$1886b4ce@toms> Great. Thanks for the email. I'll give Jake a call and see if they are all spoken for. If not, I'll put my name in the hat for one. Have a nice weekend, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Propane regulators > Hi Tom, > Jake will have the regulators at Coolspring this year. You can > also reach him by phone at: 724.295.4643. Mornings are best since he works > 2nd shift. I just talked to Jake and he is going to look into what the > shipping cost (USPS) would be. Don't think it would be too much! > Dave > >>Hi Dave, >>How would one get in touch with Jake to obtain one of these regulators? >>Thanks, >>Tom >> >>>Hi Dallas, >>>>Has anyone run a engine on a "on-demand" propane regulator? I am >>>>speaking >>>>about oil field type engines but could be used on any other engine. >>> >>>Jake faith ran several of his engines on them last year. Worked well and >>>saved A LOT. They ran on about 1/8 (or less) of the propane usually >>>needed! Jake has an order in for 20 of the units and will be selling them >>>for $100.00. That will include everything that you need--ie both >>>regulators, the hose and the fittings etcDallas >>> Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sat Feb 12 11:15:27 2005 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:15:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment Message-ID: <410-220052612191527875@earthlink.net> About 6 months before we adopted Nikolai and Yuriy I built a nice 3000 ft. 2 story workshop with 600 ft being devoted for the machine shop. I have 3 mills and 3 lathes all from small to very large to handle anything I could ever need to make. Since I installed an HVAC system I have been able to work in there all winter in the evenings when I get a chance, that is, when I am not parenting and the wife seems to let me know when I am supposed to be doing that. > [Original Message] > From: Prepair Ltd > To: > Cc: > Date: 2/12/2005 7:05:57 AM > Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment > > As we seem to be a little quiet on engine-related subjects of late, a > couple of items crossed my mind while driving down to see a machinery > dealer this morning at 7am :-(( > > 1) How many guys and gals on the list have 'machinery' at home or a > home workshop with machine tools such as a lathe etc? > > 2) How often does that machinery get used, and is it only used on > engine stuff or other hobby/home/work jobs as well? > > We have been building up a workshop facility at home for the last > couple of years, and have almost reached the overflow point for space, > so we are refining what we have in the way of machines and looking to > get rid of some duplicates or machines that have a function that we > can use another one for. > > Although the '7-day weekend' is not quite upon us, it makes sense to > build this up now while we have the trade contacts and income, for it > sure as hell won't be there once we have retired! > > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK > prepair at easynet.co.uk > http://www.prepair.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 12 11:28:07 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:28:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> <07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <1108236487.420e58c7dd9bc@webmail.city-net.com> Good memory Peter. http://www.badpuns.com/jokes.php?section=shaggy&name=mangled See ya, Arnie PS - Science Fiction, please. 8-)) Quoting Peter A Forbes : > "Britannia", please! :-)) > It's like us calling your anthem The Star Mangled Spanner" !! > (There's a sci-fi story somewhere with that in) From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 11:36:53 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:36:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <1108236487.420e58c7dd9bc@webmail.city-net.com> References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> <07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> <1108236487.420e58c7dd9bc@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:28:07 -0500, you wrote: >Good memory Peter. >http://www.badpuns.com/jokes.php?section=shaggy&name=mangled > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - Science Fiction, please. 8-)) Sorry, Guv.... Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From dcox at triad.rr.com Sat Feb 12 11:39:30 2005 From: dcox at triad.rr.com (Dallas Cox) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:39:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators References: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> <000f01c51104$ed786940$3e636854@Sixmjohn> <1108231841.420e46a1eb096@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <007601c5113a$92180430$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Thanks Dave, John and others for the reply on the regulators. I, like Arnie, will give it a try this summer. I will rig mine with and without a surge tank to see how it works. Dallas > > I'd like to experiment a bit this summer. From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Feb 12 11:51:58 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:51:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> <07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> Message-ID: > It's like us calling your anthem The Star Mangled Spanner" !! Might as well, it gets mangled plenty. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 11:55:49 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:55:49 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Slightly OT: Indian Copies/Clones Message-ID: <25ns01lv7oqrhdrhq3c448tojr7sah761b@4ax.com> Most engine guys are aware of the Lister and Petter engine copies that are made in India and sold by various vendors. I noticed one on ebay the other day, that said "Ready for Biodiesel" or something along those lines, which is a triumph of optimism over engineering! Anyway, apart from the somewhat dubious quality of the manufacturing process, these seem to bring a lot of pleasure to the owners and hopefully a lot of profit for the vendors. Lister and Petter never seemed to worry too much about these copies as they were onto more 'modern' engine designs and they didn't see these small-scale copies as a problem. More recently, a more worrying trend has emerged in the antiques and collectibles market, that of copies of old instruments such as sextants, compasses and similar items. On any given day on ebay you can find "Kelvin & Hughes" sextants, all in a nice mahogany box and with suitably dark or blurred pictures so you cannot see that they are virtually brand new items. Until you see that the vendor has half a dozen for sale, all of the same item with the same picture, and a scan of their ebay feedback ratings often finds negative feedback from buyers who have (somewhat stupidly in my view) expected an old and valuable instrument, only to find a cheaply made copy. I don't collect such items personally, but it may be worth a gentle warning for anyone contemplating 'anything' in that line, to be very watchful and if necessary ask the vendor if it is a new reproduction or an original item. False or misleading descriptions are NOT allowed on ebay. Peter The hijacking of established names such as Kelvin & Hughes and other companies is pretty rife these days -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Feb 12 00:18:52 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:18:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000301c5113d$c19b8800$350d1bd3@reg> Hey Tim, That woman holds the world record for the most horrendous voice!! She HAS to perform each year!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > Lets break this down then. Mike made the comment that Helen was going to > replace the lady at Portland (whose voice will make anyone's ears hurt) > with her version of "Oh Canada" etc., hence my comment. Now what part of > "that's sure as hell NOT what the man said" have to do with my reply? > > Tim > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Dave Rotigel > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: 2/11/2005 9:57:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > > > > Fother Mucker that's sure as hell NOT what the man said! > > Dave > > >You mean I won't have to put ear plugs in this year? > > > > > >TIm Christoff > > >Basehor KS. > > >tchristoff at earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > From: Mike Royster > > > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > > > Date: 2/11/2005 6:10:04 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > > > > > > > > Rumor has it that Helen has taking up a new singing career. She > intends > > >to > > > > replace the lady at Portland with her new versions of "Oh Canada" > etc. We > > > > can hardly wait............... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 11:59:32 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:59:32 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Ebay Shill Bidding Message-ID: <3rns011o8i5qigtee7uh039h4v3u8d218d@4ax.com> Just a repeat warning that there are many out there who are bidding on their own stuff on ebay to raise the price artificially. What is good for the ATIS Charity Auction is not so good for ye and me. Watch out for newbie bidders, or bidders who have been registered for a year or so and NEVER won a feedback point... Or, feedback imbalance between buyers and sellers, ie: where the seller has given feedback but the buyer hasn't. We had another guy canned last week for shill bidding, and we take GREAT pleasure in shopping them!! Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 12:00:28 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:00:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> <07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:51:58 -0500, you wrote: >> It's like us calling your anthem The Star Mangled Spanner" !! > >Might as well, it gets mangled plenty. > >John Culp Cheer up, soon be Portland time!! :-)) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 12:05:45 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:05:45 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <000301c5113d$c19b8800$350d1bd3@reg> References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <000301c5113d$c19b8800$350d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:18:52 +1100, you wrote: >Hey Tim, That woman holds the world record for the most horrendous voice!! >She HAS to perform each year!!! >Reg & Marg Ingold. She was certainly in good form in 2003! We missed her last year by arriving slightly later.... Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sat Feb 12 12:27:27 2005 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:27:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! Message-ID: <410-220052612202727703@earthlink.net> maybe we should send her overseas to join in with the war effort. Her voice could bring the enemy to their knees and they would surrender. > [Original Message] > From: Reg Ingold > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/13/2005 11:59:04 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > > Hey Tim, That woman holds the world record for the most horrendous voice!! > She HAS to perform each year!!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat Feb 12 12:33:37 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:33:37 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators References: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA><000f01c51104$ed786940$3e636854@Sixmjohn> <1108231841.420e46a1eb096@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <008601c51142$2190f930$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Arnie, > Do you connect the propane line to the mixer > where the fuel line would normally go? For the HSCS engine, I connect the propane line to the mixer without the float. Took the fuel nozzle away and replaced it with a brass tube with a 3/16" hole just in the middle of the venturi. The six M got just the hose in his throat and runs like a clock with closed air damper. ( one of these days I will make a special secret connection for it). For fine adjusting it needs a sorta of aircock to give more or less air. >What sort of process do you go through > in setting & experimenting with mixtures? My experience is, close the air almost and start the engine, when it runs lower the propane flow and the engine will slow down. Close the air more and watch what will happen. Experimenting with both a little more or less will result in the best setting at the lowest rpm. The better your air and propane control the easier it is. John H. PS. Better don't smoke when experimenting, had once a moustache...... > I'd like to experiment a bit this summer. > > See ya, Arnie From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 12 12:38:11 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:38:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> <07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> >Cheer up, soon be Portland time!! :-)) > >Peter Only 192 days, 7 hours, 22 minutes and 51 seconds. Don't be late! Dave From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 12:57:40 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:57:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> <07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <8drs01ptsdrj6dp84129335ks3g4fmfbg6@4ax.com> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:38:11 -0500, you wrote: > >>Cheer up, soon be Portland time!! :-)) >> >>Peter > >Only 192 days, 7 hours, 22 minutes and 51 seconds. Don't be late! > Dave > Dave: Have you started the bookings list for the Back 40 Junction dinner yet??? Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 12 13:13:07 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:13:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <8drs01ptsdrj6dp84129335ks3g4fmfbg6@4ax.com> References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> <07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> <8drs01ptsdrj6dp84129335ks3g4fmfbg6@4ax.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050212160556.0e15de48@mail.alltel.net> >Dave: > >Have you started the bookings list for the Back 40 Junction dinner yet??? > >Peter Hi Peter, I will make the announcement when I get back from the engine show in Zolfo Springs FL. That should be about the second week of March. Dave PS, Don't be late this tear! PPS, Will you be bringing the young lady that you have been sleeping with again this year? From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 12 13:26:42 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:26:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050212160556.0e15de48@mail.alltel.net> References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> <07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> <8drs01ptsdrj6dp84129335ks3g4fmfbg6@4ax.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212160556.0e15de48@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <93ts01d3rquiafoqkcs9k31f3k5din5179@4ax.com> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:13:07 -0500, you wrote: > >>Dave: >> >>Have you started the bookings list for the Back 40 Junction dinner yet??? >> >>Peter > >Hi Peter, > I will make the announcement when I get back from the engine show >in Zolfo Springs FL. That should be about the second week of March. > Dave >PS, Don't be late this tear! Or even this year? :-)) I wasn't late last year! >PPS, Will you be bringing the young lady that you have been sleeping with >again this year? Which one ?? :-)))) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 12 14:22:50 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:22:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Slightly OT: Indian Copies/Clones References: <25ns01lv7oqrhdrhq3c448tojr7sah761b@4ax.com> Message-ID: <001301c51151$63972480$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > I noticed one on ebay the other day, that said "Ready for Biodiesel" or > something along those lines, which is a triumph of optimism over engineering! Why do you say that ? in reference to the Indian Listers in particular ? I gota friend who makes his own and runs it in his oil recovery truck 2 1/2 ton 7.3L Navi- he cuts diesel with the reclaimed cooking oil he processes . You have to call it an additive anyway for excise tax porpoises .Smells like suppers burning . From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 12 15:35:08 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:35:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <000301c5113d$c19b8800$350d1bd3@reg> References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <000301c5113d$c19b8800$350d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: <1108251308.420e92ac92a95@webmail.city-net.com> For those of you who have not had the pleasure of Miss Beverley's renditions, Dolly has captured it here... http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland03/show.htm Some have said that Dolly's real reason wasn't sharing, but rather giving herself an opportunity to perfect her technique. I guess we'll just have to wait till this summer when Dolly sings to know for sure. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Reg Ingold : > Hey Tim, That woman holds the world record for the most horrendous voice!! > She HAS to perform each year!!! From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 12 15:44:23 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:44:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators In-Reply-To: <008601c51142$2190f930$3e636854@Sixmjohn> References: <016101c510f9$3b091800$6401a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA><000f01c51104$ed786940$3e636854@Sixmjohn> <1108231841.420e46a1eb096@webmail.city-net.com> <008601c51142$2190f930$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <1108251863.420e94d7e8e9b@webmail.city-net.com> Thanks John. I also appreciate the advice (being fully furred as I am). When we were working on my Bessemer half-breed at Coolspring last year we had some very impressive flames going from time to time. And not just at the hot tube burner!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie > PS. Better don't smoke when experimenting, had once > a moustache...... From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sat Feb 12 15:59:31 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:59:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment In-Reply-To: <004a01c5112d$a012bbf0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Hi all, I've always had a good shop full of mechanics tools and a fair woodworking shop, but when I got into rusty iron I started working on a machine shop to play with. Several years ago I picked up an old Southbend lathe cheep at the Florida flywheelers swapmeet. Then I discovered it's the accessories that get ya! Of course I had to have tools, bits, mics, quick change tool holders,chucks,boring bars, tool grinders, diamond wheels, and the list goes on. Just recently I found a deal on a milling machine and guess what, Its the same darned thing. Now I need more cutters, and tools, and and every kind of holding device you can think of, Then you can add power feeds and on and on until happiness really sets in. BUT, I'm having fun in the warm shop when its 3 degrees outside and the wind is howling. and its two months till the show season starts. BTW after John Hammick's pictures of his nice clean shop .... ain't no way I'm gonna show pictures of my shop. See everyone at Portland, Steve Royster From FRM8198 at aol.com Sat Feb 12 16:39:08 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:39:08 EST Subject: [SEL] New Iron Find Message-ID: <8a.2080e8df.2f3ffbac@aol.com> While at the Ag Expo in Tulare, I met a friend who told me that he knew where I could get a couple of engines. Of course, I had to go see them. One is a Fairbanks Morse Type Z, Style C, 2? HP. The other is also a Fairbanks Morse. This latter one came from the Taft oil fields several years ago. From looking at Wendel's, this engine appears to be a Type ZC which has an enclosed crankcase and a place to install a radiator and fan (these items are missing). I would estimate the HP to be in the 7 - 10 HP range. This engine also has a clutch vee belt four sheaves pulley. On the inside of the left flywheel (looking forward from the rear) there is a vee belt pulley. I think is the pulley that was used to turn the fan. The carburetor is missing but, the seller tells me that LPG carburetor is available with purchase of the engine. Both engines are free and the mags are on the engines. The question is how desirable is the Model ZC? Remember I have to have a good reason to convince the wife. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 12 17:26:16 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:26:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Iron Find In-Reply-To: <8a.2080e8df.2f3ffbac@aol.com> References: <8a.2080e8df.2f3ffbac@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050212201951.0e093090@mail.alltel.net> Hi Francis, My Club uses a ZC to pull our 1905 apple cider press. We press about 6,000 gal of cider each fall. The engine has always performed well and needs little (or no) attention. Having said that I consider the ZC to be a "utility" engine and not a show engine. As a show piece I consider it to be in the class with MAYTAGS! It's your nickel, but if it were me I'd say "Thanks, but no thanks!" Dave PS, Thank goD we don't all like the same thing! At 07:39 PM 2/12/2005, you wrote: >While at the Ag Expo in Tulare, I met a friend who told me that he knew >where I could get a couple of engines. Of course, I had to go >see them. One is >a Fairbanks Morse Type Z, Style C, 2? HP. The other is also a Fairbanks >Morse. This latter one came from the Taft oil fields several years >ago. From >looking at Wendel's, this engine appears to be a Type ZC which has an >enclosed >crankcase and a place to install a radiator and fan (these items are >missing). I would estimate the HP to be in the 7 - 10 HP range. This >engine also >has a clutch vee belt four sheaves pulley. On the inside of the left >flywheel >(looking forward from the rear) there is a vee belt pulley. I think is the >pulley that was used to turn the fan. The carburetor is missing but, the >seller tells me that LPG carburetor is available with purchase of the >engine. >Both engines are free and the mags are on the engines. >The question is how desirable is the Model ZC? Remember I have to have a >good reason to convince the wife. > >Francis Maciel >Santa Maria, CA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Feb 12 17:59:06 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:59:06 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New Iron Find In-Reply-To: <8a.2080e8df.2f3ffbac@aol.com> Message-ID: <200502130159.j1D1xEdm032541@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Francis, It's not begging and groveling worthy. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato,Ca. Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of FRM8198 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 4:39 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] New Iron Find While at the Ag Expo in Tulare, I met a friend who told me that he knew where I could get a couple of engines. Of course, I had to go see them. One is a Fairbanks Morse Type Z, Style C, 2? HP. The other is also a Fairbanks Morse. This latter one came from the Taft oil fields several years ago. >From looking at Wendel's, this engine appears to be a Type ZC which has an enclosed crankcase and a place to install a radiator and fan (these items are missing). I would estimate the HP to be in the 7 - 10 HP range. This engine also has a clutch vee belt four sheaves pulley. On the inside of the left flywheel (looking forward from the rear) there is a vee belt pulley. I think is the pulley that was used to turn the fan. The carburetor is missing but, the seller tells me that LPG carburetor is available with purchase of the engine. Both engines are free and the mags are on the engines. The question is how desirable is the Model ZC? Remember I have to have a good reason to convince the wife. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Sat Feb 12 18:56:38 2005 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:56:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators Message-ID: <000e01c51177$a6ad8fe0$40690b42@computer> Arnie, How is the Bessemer progressing? George -----Original Message----- From: fero_ah at city-net.com To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Saturday, February 12, 2005 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Propane regulators >Thanks John. > >I also appreciate the advice (being fully furred as I am). When we were working >on my Bessemer half-breed at Coolspring last year we had some very impressive >flames going from time to time. And not just at the hot tube burner!! 8-)) > >See ya, Arnie > >> PS. Better don't smoke when experimenting, had once >> a moustache...... > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Feb 12 19:50:00 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:50:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Hot Air Enthusiasts! Message-ID: <200502130350.j1D3o4cL011842@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> This is a reminder to ALL HOT AIR ENGINE ENTHUSIASTS. If you're not already aware, March 19-20 will be the Second Southwest Regional Hot Air Meet, in conjunction with the Arizona Flywheelers Show in Cottonwood, Arizona. This will most likely be the largest collection of hot air engines ever assembled. Buster Brown and Lowell Wagner, the two gentlemen behind the hot air aspect of the show, are trying to personally contact EVERY hot air collector. Surely there will be some who are unknown to them, or for whom they do not have addresses or phone numbers. They don't want anyone to be overlooked. It would be a shame to find out a week after the show is over, so I've agreed to send this to the mailing list's to which I belong. If you are a collector or know of someone who should be aware of this show, take a look at these web pages: Hot Air Meet: http://www.hotairengines.com/Upcoming/Cottonwood.htm Arizona Flyweelers: http://www.arizonaflywheelers.com/show05.htm If you have any questions, Buster's and Lowell's email addresses are on the web pages. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Feb 12 20:01:49 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:01:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Iron Find In-Reply-To: <8a.2080e8df.2f3ffbac@aol.com> References: <8a.2080e8df.2f3ffbac@aol.com> Message-ID: <818edb9274c7b0dabc00ff58a05480c9@chartertn.net> That little ZC's pretty desirable to me. Got one out in the yard now, my first "flywheel" engine. Got it in 1972 from an oilfield equipment place in Carmi, Illinois. The 52 cubic inch model, probably about 3 HP. John On Feb 12, 2005, at 7:39 PM, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > While at the Ag Expo in Tulare, I met a friend who told me that he > knew > where I could get a couple of engines. Of course, I had to go see > them. One is > a Fairbanks Morse Type Z, Style C, 2? HP. The other is also a > Fairbanks > Morse. This latter one came from the Taft oil fields several years > ago. From > looking at Wendel's, this engine appears to be a Type ZC which has an > enclosed > crankcase and a place to install a radiator and fan (these items are > missing). I would estimate the HP to be in the 7 - 10 HP range. > This engine also > has a clutch vee belt four sheaves pulley. On the inside of the left > flywheel > (looking forward from the rear) there is a vee belt pulley. I think > is the > pulley that was used to turn the fan. The carburetor is missing but, > the > seller tells me that LPG carburetor is available with purchase of the > engine. > Both engines are free and the mags are on the engines. > The question is how desirable is the Model ZC? Remember I have to > have a > good reason to convince the wife. > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Feb 12 20:21:48 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:21:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hot Air Enthusiasts! In-Reply-To: <200502130350.j1D3o4cL011842@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502130350.j1D3o4cL011842@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: > Buster Brown and Lowell Wagner, the two gentlemen behind the hot air > aspect of > the show, are trying to personally contact EVERY hot air collector. I'm a hot air emitter. Does that count? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rwenig at telus.net Sat Feb 12 20:51:27 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:51:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New Iron Find In-Reply-To: <818edb9274c7b0dabc00ff58a05480c9@chartertn.net> References: <8a.2080e8df.2f3ffbac@aol.com> <818edb9274c7b0dabc00ff58a05480c9@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <420EDCCF.9010109@telus.net> Hello John, Francis, Do one of you have a picture of the Fairbanks Morse Type Z, Style C, 2? HP you could post somewhere or send me? Thanks in advance. Rupert John Culp wrote: > That little ZC's pretty desirable to me. Got one out in the yard now, my > first "flywheel" engine. Got it in 1972 from an oilfield equipment place > in Carmi, Illinois. The 52 cubic inch model, probably about 3 HP. > > John > > On Feb 12, 2005, at 7:39 PM, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > >> While at the Ag Expo in Tulare, I met a friend who told me that he knew >> where I could get a couple of engines. Of course, I had to go see >> them. One is >> a Fairbanks Morse Type Z, Style C, 2? HP. The other is also a Fairbanks >> Morse. This latter one came from the Taft oil fields several years >> ago. From >> looking at Wendel's, this engine appears to be a Type ZC which has an >> enclosed >> crankcase and a place to install a radiator and fan (these items are >> missing). I would estimate the HP to be in the 7 - 10 HP range. >> This engine also >> has a clutch vee belt four sheaves pulley. On the inside of the left >> flywheel >> (looking forward from the rear) there is a vee belt pulley. I think >> is the >> pulley that was used to turn the fan. The carburetor is missing but, >> the >> seller tells me that LPG carburetor is available with purchase of the >> engine. >> Both engines are free and the mags are on the engines. >> The question is how desirable is the Model ZC? Remember I have to >> have a >> good reason to convince the wife. >> >> Francis Maciel >> Santa Maria, CA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From firepoliceco20 at hotmail.com Sat Feb 12 21:32:19 2005 From: firepoliceco20 at hotmail.com (benmoyer moyer) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:32:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How big an engine ? In-Reply-To: <000701c510a1$65a88850$7d86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: >From: "Rex Hinz" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] How big an engine ? >Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:22:58 -0600 > > Hi list; > > I was asked today from fellow workers how big a hit miss engine it >would take to power a threshing machine , I couldn't give them nothing but >a guess , my guess was around 7 Hp , was I any where close ? can anyone on >list say " been there done that ! " lets hear some guesses > > Rex Hinz I have afriend who has a McCormick thersher and at shows we run it with a Mckormick-Deering 10-20 and it keeps it busy so i would not recomend going with a 7hp hit and miss > > if you can't get your beer can open you proabbly don't need any more > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Feb 12 12:52:44 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:52:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] More Engine Colours References: <20050212090554.88024.qmail@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010d01c5119d$0a91eb80$350d1bd3@reg> The Atkinson in the Smithsonian is a deep red color. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Everett" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] More Engine Colours > Hi All > > Anyone any ideas on colours for early Gardner gas engines and Atkinson Cycle engines? From guitronics at comcast.net Sun Feb 13 02:15:19 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:15:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More engine colors In-Reply-To: <8f2e07495bbd0cd4ea78f171a616c932@chartertn.net> References: <20050212041422.85266.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> <420DE30B.70604@comcast.net> <8f2e07495bbd0cd4ea78f171a616c932@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <420F28B7.2050805@comcast.net> Michael P. Koryciak Wrote: Thank you very much, John.....I'm gonna get some of these slow speed, Big flywheel engines.I'm in the learning phase,will start to buy in a few months. John Culp wrote: > Yeah, I've got a Listeroid, which I love. (I believe I'm the first > user of the "Listeroid" word, in fact.) Guess I ought to put up a FAQ > page, since I get E-mail inquiries about it on a daily basis. Mine's > named "Dolly." I have a Web page with pictures and video at: > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/dolly.html > I haven't updated that page since mid-2000. The information that the > EPA would no longer allow them to be imported was true then, but has > since changed, and Mike Montieth's contact info's changed. I'll fix it > one of these days. Right after I quit procrastinating, which I'm > thinking about doing anytime now. > > John > > On Feb 12, 2005, at 6:05 AM, lightningrod wrote: > >> I'm interested in knowing about the Indian - Built "Listeroid" >> .....how do you like it? Anyone else have Listeroids, or - Listers? > > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sun Feb 13 06:30:39 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:30:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators References: <000e01c51177$a6ad8fe0$40690b42@computer> Message-ID: <420F648F.C8989843@insulate.co.uk> Hi George That was a bit below the belt ;-) Dolly George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > Arnie, > How is the Bessemer progressing? George -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 10/02/2005 From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Feb 13 07:10:03 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:10:03 EST Subject: [SEL] Another Economy question Message-ID: In a message dated 2/11/2005 6:05:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: << Also what does the gas tank fill look like for a 1917 engine? >> Ron, It is a big rectangular tank that fits under the base. John Wanat can make one for you. I found someone on the internet that had repro filler spouts for sale the other year. He had an engine website that I just happened to come across. I will have to look and see if I can find who it was. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Feb 13 07:50:02 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:50:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Belt driven pump Message-ID: Howdy all; Well in my qwest for "owning it all," yesterday Kathy and I drove up north to look at what the owner said was a water pump with belt pulley. Of course I thot Pump and Jack, but after 100 miles behind us I was looking at a HUGE domestic centrifugal ??? ( Looks like a forge blower) water pump over two feet tall and it did have a nice belt pulley that I'd guess at 10". He said it was used to flood irrigate his crops in the ole days and was belted up to the old Case. Well he never mentioned on the phone that it was still connected at the flanges which I'd guess were 4" pipes. So I paid the guy the resonable asking price and headed home. Return trip with tools scheduled soon. Nice road trip but woke up this morning thinking: "What the hell am I going to do with this?" Any suggestions?? I would swag this as HVLP. TIA RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 13 08:31:42 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:31:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Belt driven pump In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050213163142.41525.qmail@web14126.mail.yahoo.com> Rick, Hook the damn thing up to boulder dam. No charge for this idea. Ron Richard Strobel wrote: Howdy all; Well in my qwest for "owning it all," yesterday Kathy and I drove up north to look at what the owner said was a water pump with belt pulley. Of course I thot Pump and Jack, but after 100 miles behind us I was looking at a HUGE domestic centrifugal ??? ( Looks like a forge blower) water pump over two feet tall and it did have a nice belt pulley that I'd guess at 10". He said it was used to flood irrigate his crops in the ole days and was belted up to the old Case. Well he never mentioned on the phone that it was still connected at the flanges which I'd guess were 4" pipes. So I paid the guy the resonable asking price and headed home. Return trip with tools scheduled soon. Nice road trip but woke up this morning thinking: "What the hell am I going to do with this?" Any suggestions?? I would swag this as HVLP. TIA RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Feb 13 09:28:39 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:28:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Iron Find In-Reply-To: <420EDCCF.9010109@telus.net> References: <8a.2080e8df.2f3ffbac@aol.com> <818edb9274c7b0dabc00ff58a05480c9@chartertn.net> <420EDCCF.9010109@telus.net> Message-ID: I probably have one somewhere online. I'll have to hunt for it. They weren't referred to by horsepower, but by displacement. Mine's a 52 cubic inch, the smallest ZC. They didn't refer to "Z, Type C" or "ZC" anywhere on the engine, either. It's just a Fairbanks-Morse Type Z (great big capital Z), 52 cubic inches, 800 RPM. It has a cast ratchet for a speed adjustment lever on the crankcase cover, but none was installed on mine, which was an oilfield engine with the steam condenser and cooling fan over the hopper, and ran on gas from the well with a valve screwed directly into the end of the carburetor under the choke plate. Mine's converted back to being a gasoline/kerosene engine with a starting fuel bowl and jet and a main running jet with a fuel tank under the base. John On Feb 12, 2005, at 11:51 PM, Rupert Wenig wrote: > Hello John, Francis, > Do one of you have a picture of the Fairbanks Morse Type Z, Style C, > 2? HP you could post somewhere or send me? Thanks in advance. > > Rupert John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Feb 13 09:31:41 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:31:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt driven pump In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87d13f9d4269d141d27b2a1ad9d57f24@chartertn.net> > Nice road trip but woke up this morning thinking: "What the hell am I > going to do with this?" > > Any suggestions?? I would swag this as HVLP. Giant whirlpool bath. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rwenig at telus.net Sun Feb 13 09:46:51 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:46:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New Iron Find In-Reply-To: References: <8a.2080e8df.2f3ffbac@aol.com> <818edb9274c7b0dabc00ff58a05480c9@chartertn.net> <420EDCCF.9010109@telus.net> Message-ID: <420F928B.4020004@telus.net> Thanks John. Francis sent a picture of a 7hp. My curiosity was stemmed by the fact I have a 1 1/2 HP Z with spoke flywheels. My memory might be failing but I don't recall seeing a picture of one anywhere. Serial # stamped into the engine I have is C26522. I can see similarities but the engines are different. Rupert John Culp wrote: > I probably have one somewhere online. I'll have to hunt for it. > > They weren't referred to by horsepower, but by displacement. Mine's a 52 > cubic inch, the smallest ZC. They didn't refer to "Z, Type C" or "ZC" > anywhere on the engine, either. It's just a Fairbanks-Morse Type Z > (great big capital Z), 52 cubic inches, 800 RPM. It has a cast ratchet > for a speed adjustment lever on the crankcase cover, but none was > installed on mine, which was an oilfield engine with the steam condenser > and cooling fan over the hopper, and ran on gas from the well with a > valve screwed directly into the end of the carburetor under the choke > plate. Mine's converted back to being a gasoline/kerosene engine with a > starting fuel bowl and jet and a main running jet with a fuel tank under > the base. > > John > > On Feb 12, 2005, at 11:51 PM, Rupert Wenig wrote: > >> Hello John, Francis, >> Do one of you have a picture of the Fairbanks Morse Type Z, Style >> C, 2? HP you could post somewhere or send me? Thanks in advance. >> >> Rupert > > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Feb 13 10:00:11 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:00:11 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Another Economy question Message-ID: <20050213.100011.1132.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Tom. I don't need the tank, just the correct filler end. Let me know if you find the vendor. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > Ron, > > It is a big rectangular tank that fits under the base. John Wanat > can make > one for you. I found someone on the internet that had repro filler > spouts for > sale the other year. He had an engine website that I just happened > to come > across. I will have to look and see if I can find who it was. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Feb 13 10:22:10 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:22:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Iron Find In-Reply-To: <420F928B.4020004@telus.net> References: <8a.2080e8df.2f3ffbac@aol.com> <818edb9274c7b0dabc00ff58a05480c9@chartertn.net> <420EDCCF.9010109@telus.net> <420F928B.4020004@telus.net> Message-ID: Yeah, they're different layouts with a lot of common parts carried over. The 7 HP wasn't sold as a 7 HP, either. The whole series was named by displacement, and they had different horsepower ratings according to configuration, fuel, speed... I think he's probably talking about a 208 c.i.d. ZC. They seem to be the most common ones. John On Feb 13, 2005, at 12:46 PM, Rupert Wenig wrote: > Thanks John. Francis sent a picture of a 7hp. My curiosity was stemmed > by the fact I have a 1 1/2 HP Z with spoke flywheels. My memory might > be failing but I don't recall seeing a picture of one anywhere. Serial > # stamped into the engine I have is C26522. I can see similarities but > the engines are different. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rexhinz at chorus.net Sun Feb 13 11:30:58 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:30:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt driven pump References: <87d13f9d4269d141d27b2a1ad9d57f24@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <000901c51202$8c3d2860$4886a5d8@ibm> John Maybe ypu could set up a portable water slide to take to shows Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt driven pump > > Nice road trip but woke up this morning thinking: "What the hell am I > > going to do with this?" > > > > Any suggestions?? I would swag this as HVLP. > > Giant whirlpool bath. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Feb 13 11:38:11 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:38:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators & Bessemer Status In-Reply-To: <000e01c51177$a6ad8fe0$40690b42@computer> References: <000e01c51177$a6ad8fe0$40690b42@computer> Message-ID: <1108323491.420faca38d019@webmail.city-net.com> Hi George, I had taken the Bessemer half-breed to Coolspring for the June show which featured half-breeds. I wasn't real hopeful as work on it at home had indicated that the compression was probably just too low to run. We all experimented with it at Coolspring and the consensus was cylinder bore, possibly spray the piston, and new rings. So the piston and cylinder went home with Craig Prucha and took their place in line in his shop. The good news is as soon as the project that's on the machines now is finished, the Bessemer cylinder is next up. Watch this space for work in progress... http://www.antique-engine.com/shopwork/shopwork33.htm See ya, Arnie Quoting George & Norma Armstrong : > How is the Bessemer progressing? George From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Feb 13 00:49:21 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:49:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net><420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk><07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000801c51205$82018000$3c0d1bd3@reg> Sod off! I can't make it! (Sob) Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > > >Cheer up, soon be Portland time!! :-)) > > > >Peter > > Only 192 days, 7 hours, 22 minutes and 51 seconds. Don't be late! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Feb 13 00:54:01 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:54:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment References: Message-ID: <000901c51205$82da2cc0$3c0d1bd3@reg> Hey, I SEEN it!!! It aint too bad!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: BTW after John > Hammick's pictures of his nice clean shop .... ain't no way I'm gonna show > pictures of my shop. See everyone at Portland, Steve Royster From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Feb 13 00:57:28 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:57:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Hot Air Enthusiasts! References: <200502130350.j1D3o4cL011842@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000a01c51205$83d5f1e0$3c0d1bd3@reg> Which end? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hot Air Enthusiasts! > > Buster Brown and Lowell Wagner, the two gentlemen behind the hot air > > aspect of > > the show, are trying to personally contact EVERY hot air collector. > > I'm a hot air emitter. Does that count? > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA From don.h at wcoil.com Sun Feb 13 11:49:39 2005 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:49:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt driven pump References: <87d13f9d4269d141d27b2a1ad9d57f24@chartertn.net> <000901c51202$8c3d2860$4886a5d8@ibm> Message-ID: <001101c51205$27734790$6401a8c0@shop> Hey john I bet it would mix some home made drinkable stuff or maybe mix up a big batch of bio fuel Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt driven pump > John > > Maybe ypu could set up a portable water slide to take to shows > > Rex > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Culp" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 12:31 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt driven pump > > >> > Nice road trip but woke up this morning thinking: "What the hell am I >> > going to do with this?" >> > >> > Any suggestions?? I would swag this as HVLP. >> >> Giant whirlpool bath. >> >> John Culp >> Bristol, Tennessee, USA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 13 11:49:59 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:49:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Another Economy question In-Reply-To: <20050213.100011.1132.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <20050213194959.64132.qmail@web61304.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Ron, Hit-n-Miss sells the flip top fillers, but if you find a source for the swing top ones please let me know. Ed also offers just the lid for the swing top ones. I bought the flip top filler and a swing top lid for my 1-1/2HP 1916 Hercules E. I am gonna try making a swing type filler from the parts. It will take cutting the filler apart and turning the spout then welding it together. A bit of grinding and maybe some filling on the stub where the lid attaches and it should turn out right. I would MUCH rather just buy the right one though,,,,, If I have to make one I will be looking for one the draw out at shows this year. Alan Bowen --- rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Thanks Tom. > I don't need the tank, just the correct filler end. Let me know if you > find the vendor. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > > Ron, > > > > It is a big rectangular tank that fits under the base. John Wanat > > can make > > one for you. I found someone on the internet that had repro filler > > spouts for > > sale the other year. He had an engine website that I just happened > > to come > > across. I will have to look and see if I can find who it was. > > > > Tom Schmutz > > Concord, Va. USA > > Germoamer at aol.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Feb 13 11:58:23 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:58:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment In-Reply-To: <000901c51205$82da2cc0$3c0d1bd3@reg> References: <000901c51205$82da2cc0$3c0d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:54:01 +1100, you wrote: >Hey, I SEEN it!!! It aint too bad!! >Reg & Marg Ingold. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steve Royster" >To: > BTW after John >> Hammick's pictures of his nice clean shop .... ain't no way I'm gonna show >> pictures of my shop. See everyone at Portland, Steve Royster Perhaps I shouldn't say anything about ours then.... :-)) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Feb 13 12:15:06 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:15:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <000801c51205$82018000$3c0d1bd3@reg> References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net><420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk><07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> <000801c51205$82018000$3c0d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:49:21 +1100, you wrote: >Sod off! I can't make it! (Sob) >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dave Rotigel" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 7:38 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > > >> >> >Cheer up, soon be Portland time!! :-)) >> > >> >Peter >> >> Only 192 days, 7 hours, 22 minutes and 51 seconds. Don't be late! >> Dave That's TWO years you'll have missed!! the ladies will be looking elsewhere if you don't turn up.... Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Feb 13 12:18:58 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:18:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hot Air Enthusiasts! In-Reply-To: <000a01c51205$83d5f1e0$3c0d1bd3@reg> References: <200502130350.j1D3o4cL011842@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <000a01c51205$83d5f1e0$3c0d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: Pull my finger, Reg. John On Feb 13, 2005, at 3:57 AM, Reg Ingold wrote: > Which end? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Feb 13 13:15:58 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:15:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net><420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk><07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> <000801c51205$82018000$3c0d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: <22aabb9a2511170d4dbdb5d950c0ad09@chartertn.net> > That's TWO years you'll have missed!! the ladies will be looking > elsewhere if > you don't turn up.... On a musical board I frequent, there's a discussion today that turned to how ladies melt over men with Aussie accents. Don't disappoint them, Reg. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Feb 13 13:49:23 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:49:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <22aabb9a2511170d4dbdb5d950c0ad09@chartertn.net> References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net><420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk><07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> <000801c51205$82018000$3c0d1bd3@reg> <22aabb9a2511170d4dbdb5d950c0ad09@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <1108331363.420fcb637c809@webmail.city-net.com> Hey John, The English accents seem to do it too. At least it appeared to be that way with Tom French and his harem at Portland. Someone got pics of THAT! 8-)) BTW it doesn't appear to work the other way. My Yank accent hasn't drawn any melted ladies on the other side of the pond. 8-))) See ya, Arnie Quoting John Culp : > > That's TWO years you'll have missed!! the ladies will be looking > > elsewhere if you don't turn up.... > > On a musical board I frequent, there's a discussion today that turned > to how ladies melt over men with Aussie accents. Don't disappoint them, > Reg. From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Feb 13 14:05:41 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:05:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <1108331363.420fcb637c809@webmail.city-net.com> References: <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk><07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> <000801c51205$82018000$3c0d1bd3@reg> <22aabb9a2511170d4dbdb5d950c0ad09@chartertn.net> <1108331363.420fcb637c809@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6ojv01pq01vfavknfsk7d9phec8i96hjbo@4ax.com> On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:49:23 -0500, you wrote: >Hey John, > >The English accents seem to do it too. At least it appeared to be that way with >Tom French and his harem at Portland. Someone got pics of THAT! 8-)) > >BTW it doesn't appear to work the other way. My Yank accent hasn't drawn any >melted ladies on the other side of the pond. 8-))) > >See ya, Arnie Must be our ages, Arnie, I never had any either... :-)) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From oldengin at udata.com Sun Feb 13 14:21:03 2005 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:21:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment In-Reply-To: <20050212.104316.1136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20050212.104316.1136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <420FD2CF.6030507@udata.com> Gday Well I hope it is not to late to get into this thread... BUT IMO the best part of any home workshop is the desire to WANT to do and or build something. Most of you who know me know that all I have is junk, and build junk. But the most important item in my shop is the idea that I can build and work with something. I do not have all the fancy stuff, and I enjoy some of the challenges that are created every time an idea pops into my little peabrain. I was told once that long long ago many of the people of this world had little, they claimed to not even have electric! Now I know this is a lie and that they had the equipment to do what they did, but due too government intervention never told the rest of the world. I was told of a peddle metal lathe that sat in the Portland show that was operated like a treadle sewing machine, again another smoke and mirror item, that the owner allowed only one other fellow to run! Hmmmm I would love to talk with him. Now my point The great machines and great workshops are something that someday I would maybe like to have, but trust me I have seen people build some great things with little bits of nothing. I know of one fellow who claims to have built over 40 engins from cutting up old Briggs, along with many other great models. And another fellow who has build 35 different models and even given some of them away with bits of nothing to work with. I also know a fellow, with a very very nice work shop, who purchased 6 model engin castings and set out to build and sell 5 to keep the business going and he still has, at my last chat with him, all of them and has butchered them badly and will probably get scrap price for them. Now the kicker do not get yourself into the idea you have to "OWN" the best equipment to do something, you have to have the desire. Have I told you about the engin plans that I have been drawing on for over 7 years now? Yes I did lay out some basic ideas, and this one is a keeper! PS my most important item in the work shop is my hacksaw!!!!! BTW who out here is left handed? and has anyone else ever heard of a left handed pencil? -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Feb 13 14:41:27 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:41:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment In-Reply-To: <420FD2CF.6030507@udata.com> References: <20050212.104316.1136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> <420FD2CF.6030507@udata.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:21:03 -0500, you wrote: >Gday > Well I hope it is not to late to get into this thread... Never too late, leroy, always nice to hear from you again. You probably hit it on the nail when you said that you don't need all the fancy stuff, and enjoying it is as important as having the machinery there in the first place. As I am a bit older than you, I am 'trying' to look ahead for something to keep me quiet in my retirement, while perhaps earning a small income from it as well. >PS my most important item in the work shop is my hacksaw!!!!! BTW who >out here is left handed? and has anyone else ever heard of a left handed >pencil? I am ambidextrous in many things, can play cricket or tennis right or left handed, but generally mostly right handed otherwise. Being a diesel mechanic it was always very useful to be able to use both hands on spanners etc in awkward places. The two boys are one of each hand, eldest was left handed and youngest right handed. Never heard of handed pencils before... Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bill at antique-engines.com Sun Feb 13 14:43:53 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:43:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment In-Reply-To: <420FD2CF.6030507@udata.com> Message-ID: <200502132243.j1DMhrpB031554@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> >> BTW who out here is left handed? and has anyone else ever heard of a left handed pencil?<< My wife and I and oldest son all are, and yes, the printing on the pencil is printed so when the eraser end is to the left you can read the type. Somewhere I have one - if I could only find it among my junk. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Leroy C. Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 4:21 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment Gday Well I hope it is not to late to get into this thread... BUT IMO the best part of any home workshop is the desire to WANT to do and or build something. Most of you who know me know that all I have is junk, and build junk. But the most important item in my shop is the idea that I can build and work with something. I do not have all the fancy stuff, and I enjoy some of the challenges that are created every time an idea pops into my little peabrain. I was told once that long long ago many of the people of this world had little, they claimed to not even have electric! Now I know this is a lie and that they had the equipment to do what they did, but due too government intervention never told the rest of the world. I was told of a peddle metal lathe that sat in the Portland show that was operated like a treadle sewing machine, again another smoke and mirror item, that the owner allowed only one other fellow to run! Hmmmm I would love to talk with him. Now my point The great machines and great workshops are something that someday I would maybe like to have, but trust me I have seen people build some great things with little bits of nothing. I know of one fellow who claims to have built over 40 engins from cutting up old Briggs, along with many other great models. And another fellow who has build 35 different models and even given some of them away with bits of nothing to work with. I also know a fellow, with a very very nice work shop, who purchased 6 model engin castings and set out to build and sell 5 to keep the business going and he still has, at my last chat with him, all of them and has butchered them badly and will probably get scrap price for them. Now the kicker do not get yourself into the idea you have to "OWN" the best equipment to do something, you have to have the desire. Have I told you about the engin plans that I have been drawing on for over 7 years now? Yes I did lay out some basic ideas, and this one is a keeper! PS my most important item in the work shop is my hacksaw!!!!! BTW who out here is left handed? and has anyone else ever heard of a left handed pencil? -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 13 15:03:46 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:03:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment In-Reply-To: <420FD2CF.6030507@udata.com> Message-ID: <20050213230346.90925.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com> Leroy, No I don't have a left handed pencil, and have never heard of one. I suspect it's like everything else. Made for right handers and we as being the minority must cope and asjust to their ways even though we are the normal ones. Ron Frost. Wrong way Charlie in Penns. "Leroy C." wrote: Gday Well I hope it is not to late to get into this thread... BUT IMO the best part of any home workshop is the desire to WANT to do and or build something. Most of you who know me know that all I have is junk, and build junk. But the most important item in my shop is the idea that I can build and work with something. I do not have all the fancy stuff, and I enjoy some of the challenges that are created every time an idea pops into my little peabrain. I was told once that long long ago many of the people of this world had little, they claimed to not even have electric! Now I know this is a lie and that they had the equipment to do what they did, but due too government intervention never told the rest of the world. I was told of a peddle metal lathe that sat in the Portland show that was operated like a treadle sewing machine, again another smoke and mirror item, that the owner allowed only one other fellow to run! Hmmmm I would love to talk with him. Now my point The great machines and great workshops are something that someday I would maybe like to have, but trust me I have seen people build some great things with little bits of nothing. I know of one fellow who claims to have built over 40 engins from cutting up old Briggs, along with many other great models. And another fellow who has build 35 different models and even given some of them away with bits of nothing to work with. I also know a fellow, with a very very nice work shop, who purchased 6 model engin castings and set out to build and sell 5 to keep the business going and he still has, at my last chat with him, all of them and has butchered them badly and will probably get scrap price for them. Now the kicker do not get yourself into the idea you have to "OWN" the best equipment to do something, you have to have the desire. Have I told you about the engin plans that I have been drawing on for over 7 years now? Yes I did lay out some basic ideas, and this one is a keeper! PS my most important item in the work shop is my hacksaw!!!!! BTW who out here is left handed? and has anyone else ever heard of a left handed pencil? -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Sun Feb 13 15:12:11 2005 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:12:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators & Bessemer Status Message-ID: <002001c51221$75e52760$1b690b42@computer> Thx. Arne, Kent and Dave had filled me in on the Coolsprings episode and I knew Craig had taken some parts to work on and I was truly curious about the engines status. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: fero_ah at city-net.com To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Sunday, February 13, 2005 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Propane regulators & Bessemer Status >Hi George, > >I had taken the Bessemer half-breed to Coolspring for the June show which >featured half-breeds. I wasn't real hopeful as work on it at home had >indicated that the compression was probably just too low to run. > >We all experimented with it at Coolspring and the consensus was cylinder bore, >possibly spray the piston, and new rings. So the piston and cylinder went home >with Craig Prucha and took their place in line in his shop. The good news is >as soon as the project that's on the machines now is finished, the Bessemer >cylinder is next up. Watch this space for work in progress... >http://www.antique-engine.com/shopwork/shopwork33.htm > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting George & Norma Armstrong : > >> How is the Bessemer progressing? George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Sun Feb 13 15:18:12 2005 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:18:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Propane regulators Message-ID: <002501c51222$4ab21520$1b690b42@computer> Really Dolly my query was as pure as the driven snow. I was curious about the progress as I know a person of Arne's refined , impeccable and sophisticated tastes is probably doing a first rate restoration. George -----Original Message----- From: Jim French To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Sunday, February 13, 2005 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Propane regulators >Hi George > >That was a bit below the belt ;-) > >Dolly > >George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > >> Arnie, >> How is the Bessemer progressing? George > >-- >Jim French >fbi at insulate.co.uk >http://www.insulate.co.uk > > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 10/02/2005 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Feb 13 16:01:03 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:01:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <1108331363.420fcb637c809@webmail.city-net.com> References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net><420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk><07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> <000801c51205$82018000$3c0d1bd3@reg> <22aabb9a2511170d4dbdb5d950c0ad09@chartertn.net> <1108331363.420fcb637c809@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4e753600939c655481381a7ed0bf22af@chartertn.net> "Oversexed, overpaid and over here?" > BTW it doesn't appear to work the other way. My Yank accent hasn't > drawn any > melted ladies on the other side of the pond. 8-))) John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Feb 13 16:12:41 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:12:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Iron Find In-Reply-To: References: <8a.2080e8df.2f3ffbac@aol.com> <818edb9274c7b0dabc00ff58a05480c9@chartertn.net> <420EDCCF.9010109@telus.net> <420F928B.4020004@telus.net> Message-ID: <8930992aaf2826702a36bb0978ba5fba@chartertn.net> I should point out that the heavy flywheels on my ZC 52 were normal for the special oilfield model, and were first brought out on engines specially meant to power generators. The main difference between the generator and oilfield models is the "dry radiator" enabling long running unattended. It simply recondenses steam boiled out of the hopper. Yep, I've got an oilfield engine. And I move it around by myself. Pull it over to one side when I want to run the lawnmower through where it sits, then I push it back. Even took it for a walk around the neighborhood once, running. Some of my neighbors didn't quite understand that, but I pulled it up the road 1/4 mile or so where a neighbor lives who's into mechanical stuff and suitably enjoyed seeing a chugging, blue-smoking engine on a cart pulled into his driveway. Try that with your Bessemer when you get it running, Arnie! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Feb 13 15:59:54 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:59:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Iron Find In-Reply-To: References: <8a.2080e8df.2f3ffbac@aol.com> <818edb9274c7b0dabc00ff58a05480c9@chartertn.net> <420EDCCF.9010109@telus.net> Message-ID: <31dd518e05fc9134cbb2e45d05b5213f@chartertn.net> Francis Maciel was kind enough to hunt down my own pictures of my ZC 52: http://www.oldengine.org/members/culp/fairbanksmorse.html Thought I had it out there somewhere! Thanks, Francis! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com Sun Feb 13 17:39:05 2005 From: Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:39:05 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Contact information for Wayne McCartney. Message-ID: <005a01c4fb6b$c0cd29c0$97684342@yourtwa0macjqu> Dear List, Hello, it seems I have misplaced the contact information for Wayne McCartney of Massachusetts. He usually totes a trailer to the shows with the words "Wayne's World" on its side. His wife, Denise, is the one who makes the videos of several northeastern gas and steam shows. Hope this is enough info. At this point, I would like to find his phone number. Any help is appreciated. Thank you! Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Feb 13 20:30:16 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:30:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment In-Reply-To: <420FD2CF.6030507@udata.com> References: <20050212.104316.1136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> <420FD2CF.6030507@udata.com> Message-ID: <1108355416.42102958b0d27@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Leroy, I kinda like these... 8-)) http://www.anythingleft-handed.co.uk/acatalog/37_z.jpg See ya, Arnie Quoting "Leroy C." : > PS my most important item in the work shop is my hacksaw!!!!! BTW who > out here is left handed? and has anyone else ever heard of a left handed > pencil? From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Feb 13 20:32:55 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:32:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net> <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk> <07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> <000801c51205$82018000$3c0d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050213233200.0e28bb58@mail.alltel.net> > the ladies will be looking elsewhere if >you don't turn up.... > >Peter Perhaps that's the problem Peter--he can't "turn up" anymore! Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Feb 13 20:48:07 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:48:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! In-Reply-To: <6ojv01pq01vfavknfsk7d9phec8i96hjbo@4ax.com> References: <420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk><07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net> <000801c51205$82018000$3c0d1bd3@reg> <22aabb9a2511170d4dbdb5d950c0ad09@chartertn.net> <1108331363.420fcb637c809@webmail.city-net.com> <6ojv01pq01vfavknfsk7d9phec8i96hjbo@4ax.com> Message-ID: <1108356487.42102d87eb255@webmail.city-net.com> Bwahahahahahaha!!!! Peter think what you're saying. Think who was the subject at the start of this thread. REGGIE!!!! Now THAT is old!! And he still melts 'em. 8-)) Hmmm, maybe its the noo nees? See ya, Arnie PS - On THIS side of the pond I did recieve a rather large number of stars from the Portland Trollop. 8->>> Quoting Peter A Forbes : > >BTW it doesn't appear to work the other way. My Yank accent hasn't drawn > >any melted ladies on the other side of the pond. 8-))) > > Must be our ages, Arnie, I never had any either... :-)) From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Feb 13 21:43:18 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:43:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment Message-ID: <20050214.004318.1304.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Leroy, Good to hear from ya. Your workshop sorta sounds like mine, except that I may have a few more pieces of "hi-tech" machinery than you. I have a gas 'fitsall' wrench - a milling machine that you hold in your hand and takes a 4?" cutting wheel - a vertical Delta lathe that stands close to the garage door - a few BFH's, plenty of chisels and a couple crow bars - a large Craftsman tool box with plenty of sockets - a work bench made out of 2x4's and a table saw. And - of course - a hand operated Hack Saw. Two walls of shelves and ho'made cabinets stocked to the max with Flares - Briggs' - REO's - Meyers - and a few other "antique" odds 'n ends. All stuffed into a two car garage along with 5 or 6 flywheel engines - a Harley - a Snow Thrower - a BBQ Grill - Lawn Seeder - an extra truck tire - and or course - - - "Her Majesty" Automobile. I once had the idea of making a flywheel engine out of a Briggs until I tried (and succeeded) to run a Briggs on battery & coil. Said to myself, "This ain't no BFD" and gave up the idea. And - - - Of course I've heard of LH pencils. Even had a few from time to time. My guess is that they are either made as a novelty or some idiot loaded the pencils into the erasure machine backwards. Have a good day. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Feb 14 00:07:10 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:07:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment References: <000901c51205$82da2cc0$3c0d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: <00f201c5126d$48414720$3c0d1bd3@reg> Cross my palm with silver......................!! VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment > On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:54:01 +1100, you wrote: > > >Hey, I SEEN it!!! It aint too bad!! > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Steve Royster" > >To: > > BTW after John > >> Hammick's pictures of his nice clean shop .... ain't no way I'm gonna show > >> pictures of my shop. See everyone at Portland, Steve Royster > > Perhaps I shouldn't say anything about ours then.... :-)) > > Peter > > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes > Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk > Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Mon Feb 14 02:39:53 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:39:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment Message-ID: <3rr89i$nm64d8@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net> I got into this hobby about 14 years ago, soon realized I would need equipment to restore engines. I now have an 11" South Bend lathe, a 14" Hendey from WW2, a 20x120" Monarch waiting to be set up, a South Bend shaper, Enco mill, Sunnen rod honing machine, two automotive boring bars, and a flame spray metalizing rig. Most of my equipment was picked up on swap deals, some of it given to me. The latest boring bar is a Van Norman Jumbo 888, 7.5 X 18" capacity. I inherited this when a friend and club member died. The catspaws were stripped, found a used set on the net and got it working. This is a heavy machine and does a beautiful job, bored one of my engines last week and installed a sleeve for a friend this weekend. I use my equipment for my business and pleasure, it's the most enjoyable part of the hobby. If things go as planned I would like to use the equipment for sleeving, boring and flame spraying when I retire. J.B. Castagnos From jbcast at charter.net Mon Feb 14 02:57:36 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:57:36 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder repair. Message-ID: <3rr7ej$n2121f@mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net> How do ya'll feel about cylinder repair? I've sleeved most of the engines I've done because it doesn't cost me much and because they were so rusty it was the best way out. The flame spray rig I have came from the local sugar mill when it closed, I've only used it for shafts, haven't got the nerve to try a piston yet. The engine I bored for myself with the new machine was a five inch bore, was going to sleeve it but it cleared out nice at 5 1/8". Have to make a piston anyway and the wall still measures .520" thick. I guess that's why a 6hp engine ways 600lbs. I made a pattern and core for the popular marine engines we use, but that was mainly to go to lighter aluminum pistons. What's the max feasible amount you can flame spray a piston? J.B. Castagnos From canuckiron at wightman.ca Mon Feb 14 04:08:35 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:08:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment In-Reply-To: <20050214.004318.1304.0.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050214.004318.1304.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <421094C3.2090201@wightman.ca> You are a man after my own heart Joe. Duncan Joseph L Betz wrote: From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 14 03:44:35 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:44:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment In-Reply-To: <1108355416.42102958b0d27@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20050214114435.99714.qmail@web14121.mail.yahoo.com> Now that's probably why I can't write so it can be read. I've always had to use the old standard right handed ones. Ron fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: Hi Leroy, I kinda like these... 8-)) http://www.anythingleft-handed.co.uk/acatalog/37_z.jpg See ya, Arnie Quoting "Leroy C." : > PS my most important item in the work shop is my hacksaw!!!!! BTW who > out here is left handed? and has anyone else ever heard of a left handed > pencil? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Mon Feb 14 04:22:26 2005 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 04:22:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Contact information for Wayne McCartney. In-Reply-To: <005a01c4fb6b$c0cd29c0$97684342@yourtwa0macjqu> Message-ID: <20050214122226.26985.qmail@web52605.mail.yahoo.com> I've got Wayne's info. Sent me a message off list. Stojanov wrote: Dear List, Hello, it seems I have misplaced the contact information for Wayne McCartney of Massachusetts. He usually totes a trailer to the shows with the words "Wayne's World" on its side. His wife, Denise, is the one who makes the videos of several northeastern gas and steam shows. Hope this is enough info. At this point, I would like to find his phone number. Any help is appreciated. Thank you! Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Cheers! NICK Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich Hartmann "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From BillMil357 at aol.com Mon Feb 14 06:16:32 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:16:32 EST Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment Message-ID: <155.4a536ec6.2f420cc0@aol.com> HI JB. How about some pictures of your shop? See ya, Bill Miller. From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Feb 14 07:44:16 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:44:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IDEAL Message-ID: <20050214.104416.892.7.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, The other day, I decided to take a whack at getting the IDEAL apart again. Got the inspection plate off the hopper and found an abandonded mouse nest. Cleaned out the hopper real good and found that it has been welded up the side. I also managed to get the fuel pump off in one piece but the check balls seem to be rusted tight. We'll see what penetrating oil will do for that. The tube from the fuel pump into the base is still stuck in the base. I blew air into the base oposite the fuel pump and created a mud fountain that reached the ceiling. As before, the crank & gears & valves all rusted away, or into one piece. The more I work on this thing - the more I see an IDEAL mail box post. Bummer !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jbcast at charter.net Mon Feb 14 10:35:36 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:35:36 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment Message-ID: <3rr04b$i361bm@mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net> > > HI JB. > > How about some pictures of your shop? > Gotta admit it's not much to look at Bill, it's spread around in two buildings, things tucked in where I can find room. I bought the property next to my shop, gathering materials and fabricating trusses now, it'll be a dedicated machine-hobby shop, but you know how those spare time projects go. J.B. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Feb 14 00:32:03 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:32:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net><420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk><07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net><6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net><000801c51205$82018000$3c0d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: <000201c512d0$69d9b4e0$400d1bd3@reg> Aint life a shit?? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > That's TWO years you'll have missed!! the ladies will be looking elsewhere if > you don't turn up.... > > Peter From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Feb 14 00:57:27 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:57:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! References: <410-2200526124342515@earthlink.net><420E3F0B.F8FB1A2B@insulate.co.uk><07311bdf925b919b968c0302600ce61d@chartertn.net><6.1.2.0.0.20050212153714.0e115d40@mail.alltel.net><000801c51205$82018000$3c0d1bd3@reg> <6.1.2.0.0.20050213233200.0e28bb58@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000401c512d0$6ca24ac0$400d1bd3@reg> Bloody know it all!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The new GEM/question to ALL SEL! > > > the ladies will be looking elsewhere if > >you don't turn up.... > > > >Peter > > Perhaps that's the problem Peter--he can't "turn up" anymore! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Feb 14 00:32:44 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:32:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Hot Air Enthusiasts! References: <200502130350.j1D3o4cL011842@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><000a01c51205$83d5f1e0$3c0d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: <000301c512d0$6bd13f20$400d1bd3@reg> Ha ha ha!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hot Air Enthusiasts! > Pull my finger, Reg. > > John > > On Feb 13, 2005, at 3:57 AM, Reg Ingold wrote: > > > Which end? > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Feb 14 01:15:16 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:15:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment References: <20050212.104316.1136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com><420FD2CF.6030507@udata.com> Message-ID: <000501c512d0$6d6bb540$400d1bd3@reg> I have kept out on this up till now but, after reading Leroy's comments.................. I got into this hobby 'one handed' and that was the wrong hand too, as I am a left hander. Every step I have made has been a challenge. And I enjoyed each step. My workshop is where I spend most of my time. I decide way back that I needed all the help good machines would give me. The cost was not great compared to the help they have given me and, when I need to part with them, the resale value will make the owning, well worth while. My machines are all a bit modified to allow me to use them better. Each day I look forward to producing something new, and I get the joy of having produced something to the best of my ability. No way am I out to prove anything. I make for my enjoyment. I consider myself to be one of the luckiest people as I have the chance to do what I choose. The first piston, gear, etc.etc. were all major steps forward for me and when I had beaten each challenge, I felt good. The truth is, for me, my shop is my existence. Making things is what it is all about for me. When I can no longer do these things, life wont be worth while. So far, I am having a ball. Moral? Get in there and enjoy doing YOUR thing! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment > On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:21:03 -0500, you wrote: > > >Gday > > Well I hope it is not to late to get into this thread... > > Never too late, leroy, always nice to hear from you again. > > > > You probably hit it on the nail when you said that you don't need all the fancy > stuff, and enjoying it is as important as having the machinery there in the > first place. > > As I am a bit older than you, I am 'trying' to look ahead for something to keep > me quiet in my retirement, while perhaps earning a small income from it as well. > > >PS my most important item in the work shop is my hacksaw!!!!! BTW who > >out here is left handed? and has anyone else ever heard of a left handed > >pencil? > > I am ambidextrous in many things, can play cricket or tennis right or left > handed, but generally mostly right handed otherwise. Being a diesel mechanic it > was always very useful to be able to use both hands on spanners etc in awkward > places. The two boys are one of each hand, eldest was left handed and youngest > right handed. > > Never heard of handed pencils before... > > Peter > > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes > Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk > Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Feb 14 12:34:27 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:34:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment References: <20050212.104316.1136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com><420FD2CF.6030507@udata.com> <000501c512d0$6d6bb540$400d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: <001301c512d4$940e2990$3e636854@Sixmjohn> I got the feeling Reg! John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > I have kept out on this up till now but, after reading Leroy's > comments.................. > I got into this hobby 'one handed' and that was the wrong hand too, as I am > a left hander. > Every step I have made has been a challenge. And I enjoyed each step. > My workshop is where I spend most of my time. > I decide way back that I needed all the help good machines would give me. > The cost was not great compared to the help they have given me and, when I > need to part with them, the resale value will make the owning, well worth > while. > My machines are all a bit modified to allow me to use them better. > Each day I look forward to producing something new, and I get the joy of > having produced something to the best of my ability. > No way am I out to prove anything. I make for my enjoyment. > I consider myself to be one of the luckiest people as I have the chance to > do what I choose. > The first piston, gear, etc.etc. were all major steps forward for me and > when I had beaten each challenge, I felt good. > The truth is, for me, my shop is my existence. Making things is what it is > all about for me. > When I can no longer do these things, life wont be worth while. > So far, I am having a ball. > > Moral? Get in there and enjoy doing YOUR thing! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter A Forbes" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 9:41 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment > > > > On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:21:03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >Gday > > > Well I hope it is not to late to get into this thread... > > > > Never too late, leroy, always nice to hear from you again. > > > > > > > > You probably hit it on the nail when you said that you don't need all the > fancy > > stuff, and enjoying it is as important as having the machinery there in > the > > first place. > > > > As I am a bit older than you, I am 'trying' to look ahead for something to > keep > > me quiet in my retirement, while perhaps earning a small income from it as > well. > > > > >PS my most important item in the work shop is my hacksaw!!!!! BTW who > > >out here is left handed? and has anyone else ever heard of a left handed > > >pencil? > > > > I am ambidextrous in many things, can play cricket or tennis right or left > > handed, but generally mostly right handed otherwise. Being a diesel > mechanic it > > was always very useful to be able to use both hands on spanners etc in > awkward > > places. The two boys are one of each hand, eldest was left handed and > youngest > > right handed. > > > > Never heard of handed pencils before... > > > > Peter > > > > -- > > Peter & Rita Forbes > > Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk > > Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From segray at mlode.com Mon Feb 14 12:53:03 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:53:03 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment In-Reply-To: <000501c512d0$6d6bb540$400d1bd3@reg> References: <20050212.104316.1136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com><420FD2CF.6030507@udata.com> <000501c512d0$6d6bb540$400d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: <42110FAF.4080906@mlode.com> I echo every word, mate! Well put! - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Reg Ingold wrote: >I have kept out on this up till now but, after reading Leroy's >comments.................. >I got into this hobby 'one handed' and that was the wrong hand too, as I am >a left hander. >Every step I have made has been a challenge. And I enjoyed each step. >My workshop is where I spend most of my time. >I decide way back that I needed all the help good machines would give me. >The cost was not great compared to the help they have given me and, when I >need to part with them, the resale value will make the owning, well worth >while. >My machines are all a bit modified to allow me to use them better. >Each day I look forward to producing something new, and I get the joy of >having produced something to the best of my ability. >No way am I out to prove anything. I make for my enjoyment. >I consider myself to be one of the luckiest people as I have the chance to >do what I choose. >The first piston, gear, etc.etc. were all major steps forward for me and >when I had beaten each challenge, I felt good. >The truth is, for me, my shop is my existence. Making things is what it is >all about for me. >When I can no longer do these things, life wont be worth while. >So far, I am having a ball. > >Moral? Get in there and enjoy doing YOUR thing! >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > From nick at holden1.net Mon Feb 14 13:02:34 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:02:34 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks-Morse Message-ID: <421111EA.000003.01876@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> That should have been spoked flywheels nick Get All Your Mobile Phone Accessories at www.nicksphoneunlockingshop.co.uk From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Feb 14 14:27:37 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:27:37 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment References: <20050212.104316.1136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com><420FD2CF.6030507@udata.com> <000501c512d0$6d6bb540$400d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: <001e01c512e4$640accc0$ee84dccb@oemcomputer> Well said Reg.I feel the same.Most days I make something for me or somebody else's engine.Most of these things are one offs and it is very satisfying when the job is done and work's. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 8:15 Subject: Re: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment > I have kept out on this up till now but, after reading Leroy's > comments.................. > I got into this hobby 'one handed' and that was the wrong hand too, as I am > a left hander. > Every step I have made has been a challenge. And I enjoyed each step. > My workshop is where I spend most of my time. > I decide way back that I needed all the help good machines would give me. > The cost was not great compared to the help they have given me and, when I > need to part with them, the resale value will make the owning, well worth > while. > My machines are all a bit modified to allow me to use them better. > Each day I look forward to producing something new, and I get the joy of > having produced something to the best of my ability. > No way am I out to prove anything. I make for my enjoyment. > I consider myself to be one of the luckiest people as I have the chance to > do what I choose. > The first piston, gear, etc.etc. were all major steps forward for me and > when I had beaten each challenge, I felt good. > The truth is, for me, my shop is my existence. Making things is what it is > all about for me. > When I can no longer do these things, life wont be worth while. > So far, I am having a ball. > > Moral? Get in there and enjoy doing YOUR thing! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter A Forbes" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 9:41 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment > > > > On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:21:03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >Gday > > > Well I hope it is not to late to get into this thread... > > > > Never too late, leroy, always nice to hear from you again. > > > > > > > > You probably hit it on the nail when you said that you don't need all the > fancy > > stuff, and enjoying it is as important as having the machinery there in > the > > first place. > > > > As I am a bit older than you, I am 'trying' to look ahead for something to > keep > > me quiet in my retirement, while perhaps earning a small income from it as > well. > > > > >PS my most important item in the work shop is my hacksaw!!!!! BTW who > > >out here is left handed? and has anyone else ever heard of a left handed > > >pencil? > > > > I am ambidextrous in many things, can play cricket or tennis right or left > > handed, but generally mostly right handed otherwise. Being a diesel > mechanic it > > was always very useful to be able to use both hands on spanners etc in > awkward > > places. The two boys are one of each hand, eldest was left handed and > youngest > > right handed. > > > > Never heard of handed pencils before... > > > > Peter > > > > -- > > Peter & Rita Forbes > > Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk > > Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brianne at ultratune.com.au Mon Feb 14 19:20:39 2005 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:20:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] IH3M Belt Pulley Message-ID: <00f101c5130d$54326aa0$d354dccb@pcuser> Hi Guys I am having some difficulty obtaining a belt drive pulley for the 3M. I am considering turning one up on the lathe out of hardwood. Has anyone ever done this? It will only be lightly loaded. If anyone has a dimensioned drawing of a pulley, I guess approx 6" Dia. is there any chance of a copy?(To suit the IH3M) Also, has anyone any experience of using fire hose as a belt? I have been given 4 metres of it by the local fire station , it is the newer rubberised type. I would guess that the older canvas type would be better? Brian Taylor Hervey Bay Historical Museum 13 Zephyr St..Scarness Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Mon Feb 14 19:53:59 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:53:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IH3M Belt Pulley References: <00f101c5130d$54326aa0$d354dccb@pcuser> Message-ID: <002901c51311$fbeb49c0$e4631f40@ibm22761389857> I have made wooden split pulleys on a lathe for line shaft use. I used 3/4" hard maple boards glued together with the grain turned 90 degrees on each board from the next board. The stack was then turned to size and the center hole drilled on the lathe. I made a jig to drill the bolt holes on the face of the pulley to hold the halves together before splitting the pulley in two. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Taylor" To: Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 22:20 Subject: [SEL] IH3M Belt Pulley Hi Guys I am having some difficulty obtaining a belt drive pulley for the 3M. I am considering turning one up on the lathe out of hardwood. Has anyone ever done this? It will only be lightly loaded. If anyone has a dimensioned drawing of a pulley, I guess approx 6" Dia. is there any chance of a copy?(To suit the IH3M) Also, has anyone any experience of using fire hose as a belt? I have been given 4 metres of it by the local fire station , it is the newer rubberised type. I would guess that the older canvas type would be better? Brian Taylor Hervey Bay Historical Museum 13 Zephyr St..Scarness Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Feb 14 21:04:07 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:04:07 -0800 Subject: [SEL] IH3M Belt Pulley In-Reply-To: <00f101c5130d$54326aa0$d354dccb@pcuser> Message-ID: <200502150504.j1F549nm048626@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > I am having some difficulty obtaining a belt drive pulley for the 3M. > I am considering turning one up on the lathe out of hardwood. > Has anyone ever done this? Yep, I've made several. See the scribbles at http://temp.rustyiron.com/pulley.jpg Cut out some disks of plywood with a jigsaw. Slop 'em with glue and clamp them together. Get/make a thick tube with the ID matching your shaft. Cutting a keyway is nice, but if you cannot easily do so, drill and tap two holes for setscrews 90 degrees apart and near opposite ends of the tube. Make a round, flat plate, with a center hole sized to fit the OD of the tube. Tube goes in plate. Weld her up. Turn so plate is true to tube. OD of plate should be somewhat smaller than the finished size of your pulley. Drill four holes in plate, 90 degrees apart, near the outside edge, 45 degrees from the set screws. After plywood dries, bore a hole to fit the tube, or a hair smaller. Press wood disk onto shaft. Starting with the holes in the plate, drill through the wood disk. Bolt it on. Turn the face of the wood disk down to clean it up, then put a crown on it. Bore two holes to match set screw holes. Done. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Feb 15 02:49:44 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:49:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] IH3M Belt Pulley References: <200502150504.j1F549nm048626@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000b01c5134c$12190900$1284dccb@oemcomputer> I can probably help with an original.What dia are you after as they come in several sizes.Give me a call ,my phone#is at the bottom of my address.Or reply of list. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 4:04 Subject: RE: [SEL] IH3M Belt Pulley From Bimjy at hotmail.com Tue Feb 15 03:30:59 2005 From: Bimjy at hotmail.com (Jim Hunter) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:30:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IH3M Belt pulley Message-ID: I made wooden belt tightning idler pulleys for my tractor. Used 3/4 oak boards stacked up with grain of each one turned at different angles. I made it extra wide so when I turned it down I was able to leave a 3/8x3/8 lip on each edge of pulley to help me keep belt on pulleys when the belt is not completely tightened.I drilled the end and side of idler shaft, installed a zerk. Then bored hole thru pulley to fit the shaft. Hold it on shaft with locking collars. While spinning idler slowly by hand I began to grease it. To my amazement before the grease came out both ends of the pulley around the shaft, some of the grease came out through the end grains of the wood!! Fortunately I am running the idlers on the outside of belt so a little grease won,t cause any belt slippage! In the future I will use a tighter grained wood!! Jim From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 15 04:16:13 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:16:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston Message-ID: Howdy all; Would a piston built of steel work? TIA RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From prepair at easynet.co.uk Tue Feb 15 04:38:07 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:38:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0uq311pj01ngdkt8mncqc36a32esu72sgq@4ax.com> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:16:13 -0700, you wrote: > Howdy all; > Would a piston built of steel work? >TIA >RickinMt. With caveats regarding lubrication and wear, yes it would, but you'd be better off looking at a piece of Meehanite or close-grained cast iron if you could. Machines better, wears better and has the self-lubricated properties which are desirable in a piston. Self-lubricating does NOT mean it runs without oil!! :-)) If it is a low speed engine then CI is fine, but for anything faster you should consider Ali as the inertial forces on the small end and big end get horribly large as the speed increases, I haven't got the formulae here at work, but it is something like the forces squared for a doubling of engine rpm. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 15 04:57:18 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:57:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston and Wico EK reference References: <0uq311pj01ngdkt8mncqc36a32esu72sgq@4ax.com> Message-ID: Thanks Peter..whew, that was the fastest response I've ever received. I'll pass that info onto my machinist bud. On another note, either you or someone else over there on the SEL, has a large amount of reference material on their website. In regards to the Wico EK mag, I remember the quality was not too good. I just got a nice reprint off ebay and maybe I could help out. later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prepair Ltd" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Making a piston > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:16:13 -0700, you wrote: > > > Howdy all; > > Would a piston built of steel work? > >TIA > >RickinMt. > > With caveats regarding lubrication and wear, yes it would, but you'd > be better off looking at a piece of Meehanite or close-grained cast > iron if you could. Machines better, wears better and has the > self-lubricated properties which are desirable in a piston. > > Self-lubricating does NOT mean it runs without oil!! :-)) > > If it is a low speed engine then CI is fine, but for anything faster > you should consider Ali as the inertial forces on the small end and > big end get horribly large as the speed increases, I haven't got the > formulae here at work, but it is something like the forces squared for > a doubling of engine rpm. > > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK > prepair at easynet.co.uk > http://www.prepair.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 15 05:07:20 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:07:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston References: <0uq311pj01ngdkt8mncqc36a32esu72sgq@4ax.com> Message-ID: Not familiar with "Meehanite" and dictionary.com doesn't either....or am I fallin' into something Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prepair Ltd" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Making a piston > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:16:13 -0700, you wrote: > > > Howdy all; > > Would a piston built of steel work? > >TIA > >RickinMt. > > With caveats regarding lubrication and wear, yes it would, but you'd > be better off looking at a piece of Meehanite or close-grained cast > iron if you could. Machines better, wears better and has the > self-lubricated properties which are desirable in a piston. > > Self-lubricating does NOT mean it runs without oil!! :-)) > > If it is a low speed engine then CI is fine, but for anything faster > you should consider Ali as the inertial forces on the small end and > big end get horribly large as the speed increases, I haven't got the > formulae here at work, but it is something like the forces squared for > a doubling of engine rpm. > > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK > prepair at easynet.co.uk > http://www.prepair.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From prepair at easynet.co.uk Tue Feb 15 05:18:16 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:18:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston and Wico EK reference In-Reply-To: References: <0uq311pj01ngdkt8mncqc36a32esu72sgq@4ax.com> Message-ID: <6ft311125j7d6dhmgithj534nelbls6in3@4ax.com> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:57:18 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks Peter..whew, that was the fastest response I've ever received. I'll >pass that info onto my machinist bud. I was just starting lunch and saw it come up on the email :-)) > On another note, either you or someone else over there on the SEL, has a >large amount of reference material on their website. In regards to the Wico >EK mag, I remember the quality was not too good. I just got a nice reprint >off ebay and maybe I could help out. Wasn't myself, we do have a huge pile of Magneto information for Wico under 3 parent companies over the years, mainly service manuals about 2" thick, full of data etc. One day, I'll get time to scan it all and put it on the website so the rest of you can share the data, but I have a 5-year backlog of stuff 'to do' so it probably won't get done real soon.... We also have Fairbanks-Morse, Eisemann and others, all waiting to be scanned. >later, >RickinMt. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From prepair at easynet.co.uk Tue Feb 15 05:44:27 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:44:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston In-Reply-To: References: <0uq311pj01ngdkt8mncqc36a32esu72sgq@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:07:20 -0700, you wrote: >Not familiar with "Meehanite" and dictionary.com doesn't either....or am I >fallin' into something > >Rick Nope, nothing as crude as that! It's a trade name for a particular close-ground cast iron. http://www.meehanite.com Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 15 05:42:52 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:42:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston and Wico EK reference References: <0uq311pj01ngdkt8mncqc36a32esu72sgq@4ax.com> <6ft311125j7d6dhmgithj534nelbls6in3@4ax.com> Message-ID: Lunch?? I haven't even had breakfast yet!! I must have been someone else's site but I'm sure it was over the rh pond. Maybe I'll stumble on it soon. later pard, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prepair Ltd" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Making a piston and Wico EK reference > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:57:18 -0700, you wrote: > > >Thanks Peter..whew, that was the fastest response I've ever received. > >I'll > >pass that info onto my machinist bud. > > I was just starting lunch and saw it come up on the email :-)) > > > On another note, either you or someone else over there on the SEL, has > > a > >large amount of reference material on their website. In regards to the > >Wico > >EK mag, I remember the quality was not too good. I just got a nice > >reprint > >off ebay and maybe I could help out. > > Wasn't myself, we do have a huge pile of Magneto information for Wico > under 3 parent companies over the years, mainly service manuals about > 2" thick, full of data etc. One day, I'll get time to scan it all and > put it on the website so the rest of you can share the data, but I > have a 5-year backlog of stuff 'to do' so it probably won't get done > real soon.... > > We also have Fairbanks-Morse, Eisemann and others, all waiting to be > scanned. > > >later, > >RickinMt. > > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK > prepair at easynet.co.uk > http://www.prepair.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From prepair at easynet.co.uk Tue Feb 15 05:53:17 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:53:17 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston In-Reply-To: References: <0uq311pj01ngdkt8mncqc36a32esu72sgq@4ax.com> Message-ID: <3jv3115kjttemjhvgi72kdvdgjhp5sagnl@4ax.com> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:44:27 +0000, you wrote: >On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:07:20 -0700, you wrote: > >>Not familiar with "Meehanite" and dictionary.com doesn't either....or am I >>fallin' into something >> >>Rick > >Nope, nothing as crude as that! > >It's a trade name for a particular close-ground cast iron. > >http://www.meehanite.com > > >Peter Make that close-grained! That name, Meehanite, sent me of in a different direction, looking for the Meehan name, and Tony Meehan, the Shadows' guitarist who, with Jet Harris started the group way back when I was a kid (too many years ago!) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 15 05:50:07 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:50:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines Message-ID: In the blabber mode this a.m. but how do ya'll handle it when two of ya find a NICE engine together? 50/50 has never worked for me and in my younger days it caused a lot of problems and now that I'm smarter and wiser?????????, I'd like to stay away from the 50/50 ownership. So how do ya'll handle this? Flip a coin? Life is good in Mt. RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue Feb 15 05:59:20 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:59:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston In-Reply-To: References: <0uq311pj01ngdkt8mncqc36a32esu72sgq@4ax.com> Message-ID: In message , Richard Strobel writes >Not familiar with "Meehanite" and dictionary.com doesn't either....or am I >fallin' into something > >Rick No, it's legit. www.meehanite.com - basically it's a very high quality fine-grained cast iron. Pete -- Peter Scales From prepair at easynet.co.uk Tue Feb 15 06:07:00 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:07:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston and Wico EK reference - now Time Zones! In-Reply-To: References: <0uq311pj01ngdkt8mncqc36a32esu72sgq@4ax.com> <6ft311125j7d6dhmgithj534nelbls6in3@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:42:52 -0700, you wrote: >Lunch?? I haven't even had breakfast yet!! I must have been someone else's >site but I'm sure it was over the rh pond. Maybe I'll stumble on it soon. > >later pard, >Rick We are sure covering some territory between us here! The beauty of the List is that there is ALWAYS someone on-line. The buys in Oz and Nz are in bed now (or should be) we are just past Lunchtime, you are in early morning and so on. Our best time is probably midnight GMT, when we have the guys in Oz and NZ in their early morning and Rob & Kelley and the others in their afternoon/evening, then you can cover the whole list in one go! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From prepair at easynet.co.uk Tue Feb 15 06:10:40 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:10:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8j0411t7tt7lpvqatv3of3mia8b3904mqp@4ax.com> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:50:07 -0700, you wrote: > In the blabber mode this a.m. but how do ya'll handle it when two of ya >find a NICE engine together? 50/50 has never worked for me and in my >younger days it caused a lot of problems and now that I'm smarter and >wiser?????????, I'd like to stay away from the 50/50 ownership. > > So how do ya'll handle this? Flip a coin? > >Life is good in Mt. >RickinMt. I'm due back out in the workshop! I have always found that unless you are VERY good friends, sharing just doesn't ever work, unless there is a dominant/subservient relationship between the pair of you and that ain't good anyhow! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 15 07:08:46 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:08:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston and Wico EK reference References: <0uq311pj01ngdkt8mncqc36a32esu72sgq@4ax.com> <6ft311125j7d6dhmgithj534nelbls6in3@4ax.com> Message-ID: Yea, the list is fantastic!! After blowing 7 rockets, I found a manual on Jim's site: http://www.oldengine.org/docs/index.htm "Jus slap me!" Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prepair Ltd" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Making a piston and Wico EK reference > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:57:18 -0700, you wrote: > > >Thanks Peter..whew, that was the fastest response I've ever received. > >I'll > >pass that info onto my machinist bud. > > I was just starting lunch and saw it come up on the email :-)) > > > On another note, either you or someone else over there on the SEL, has > > a > >large amount of reference material on their website. In regards to the > >Wico > >EK mag, I remember the quality was not too good. I just got a nice > >reprint > >off ebay and maybe I could help out. > > Wasn't myself, we do have a huge pile of Magneto information for Wico > under 3 parent companies over the years, mainly service manuals about > 2" thick, full of data etc. One day, I'll get time to scan it all and > put it on the website so the rest of you can share the data, but I > have a 5-year backlog of stuff 'to do' so it probably won't get done > real soon.... > > We also have Fairbanks-Morse, Eisemann and others, all waiting to be > scanned. > > >later, > >RickinMt. > > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK > prepair at easynet.co.uk > http://www.prepair.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Feb 15 07:37:47 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:37:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IH3M Belt Pulley Message-ID: <20050215.104457.1052.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Brian, Although it can be very satisfying and a great subject for discussion. I would only turn a pulley as a last resort. Surely there has to be shows over there where a trailer load of various pulleys show up. Usually, they run about $30 in my area. There's always a trailer load at Coolsprings - Hit & Miss - Portland. I turned a pulley for a water pump I have. I needed it to be 14" x 2" and light. I wanted to run a flat belt instead of a "V" belt. I simply took a smaller metal pulley that fit the shaft - glued several peices of wood together and cut a radius to suit my size. Screwed the future wood pulley to the metal pulley. Established a "verticle" axle (or stub ) on the bench. Laid a belt sander on it's side and used this as a "horizontal lathe" to true the radius and form the proper rise on the face. It worked out great - But - If I can find a pulley made of cast - I'll buy it. Actually - When you look at the pump at a show - The wood pulley looks sort of dumb and ho'made. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Feb 15 07:25:12 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:25:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines Message-ID: <20050215.104457.1052.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Guys, I think "sharin" is a great idea !!! Sooner or later - One of you will take a liking to another engine as the novelty of the present engine wears off and one can buy the other out. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Feb 15 08:28:21 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:28:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines In-Reply-To: <20050215.104457.1052.5.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050215.104457.1052.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, Sorta like with wives? 8->>> See ya, Arnie On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Joseph L Betz wrote: > I think "sharin" is a great idea !!! > > Sooner or later - One of you will take a liking to another engine as the > novelty of the present engine wears off and one can buy the other out. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 15 08:46:25 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:46:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines References: <20050215.104457.1052.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Wouldn't trade the boss fer nuttin'. Now the 32 yr. old step-son in the basement...I'd let go cheap...no trades..well maybe a vertical Gal..er Galloway!!! hell even a maytag. I feel better now, so headed for the shed!!! Rick PS: Dave, moola will go in the mail tomorrow for the decals. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sharin' engines > Hi Joe, > > Sorta like with wives? 8->>> > > See ya, Arnie > > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Joseph L Betz wrote: > > > I think "sharin" is a great idea !!! > > > > Sooner or later - One of you will take a liking to another engine as the > > novelty of the present engine wears off and one can buy the other out. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Tue Feb 15 10:01:44 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:01:44 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines Message-ID: Generally I don't think sharing works well. If you and a buddy are out and come across an engine you'd both like, I think its possible to decide logically who should have first chance at it. If you're going out on an engine hunt and invite your buddy along, then you've got first right to what you find. If your buddy is going out and invites you along, then he has first right. Now if either one of you has a lead on a engine, the person that got the lead is the one with first right on that engine and any other engine the seller might also offer. George Ps.. This could be a good thread on how to keep your engine buddy a friend and not get mad at each other because one of you bought an engine out from under the other person. From nick at holden1.net Tue Feb 15 11:24:59 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:24:59 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks-Morse Message-ID: <42124C8B.000003.00552@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi i have a 1 1/2 Hp Z type with spoked flywheels tried to send a photo but can not get it down to post limit of 15Kb and hear is where i live nick Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Feb 15 00:21:35 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:21:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment References: <20050212.104316.1136.1.rdhaskell@juno.com><420FD2CF.6030507@udata.com> <000501c512d0$6d6bb540$400d1bd3@reg> <42110FAF.4080906@mlode.com> Message-ID: <000301c5139e$87648700$06111bd3@reg> Thanks Steve. YOU know what I am trying to put across. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment > I echo every word, mate! Well put! > > - Steve > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > > > Reg Ingold wrote: > > >I have kept out on this up till now but, after reading Leroy's > >comments.................. > >I got into this hobby 'one handed' and that was the wrong hand too, as I am > >a left hander. > >Every step I have made has been a challenge. And I enjoyed each step. > >My workshop is where I spend most of my time. > >I decide way back that I needed all the help good machines would give me. > >The cost was not great compared to the help they have given me and, when I > >need to part with them, the resale value will make the owning, well worth > >while. > >My machines are all a bit modified to allow me to use them better. > >Each day I look forward to producing something new, and I get the joy of > >having produced something to the best of my ability. > >No way am I out to prove anything. I make for my enjoyment. > >I consider myself to be one of the luckiest people as I have the chance to > >do what I choose. > >The first piston, gear, etc.etc. were all major steps forward for me and > >when I had beaten each challenge, I felt good. > >The truth is, for me, my shop is my existence. Making things is what it is > >all about for me. > >When I can no longer do these things, life wont be worth while. > >So far, I am having a ball. > > > >Moral? Get in there and enjoy doing YOUR thing! > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > >randmingold at hotkey.net.au > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From todengine at zoominternet.net Tue Feb 15 12:38:56 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:38:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston References: <0uq311pj01ngdkt8mncqc36a32esu72sgq@4ax.com> Message-ID: <002001c5139e$5ebd4530$40c19a18@pengy> Hey I can cast an iron piston for you!!! Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works 100 South Bridge Street Bldg. F Struthers, OH 44471 330-728-2799 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Scales" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Making a piston > In message , Richard Strobel > writes >>Not familiar with "Meehanite" and dictionary.com doesn't either....or am I >>fallin' into something >> >>Rick > > No, it's legit. www.meehanite.com - basically it's a very high quality > fine-grained cast iron. > > Pete > > -- > Peter Scales > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Feb 15 13:45:28 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:45:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks-Morse In-Reply-To: <42124C8B.000003.00552@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: Hi Nick, The SEL doesn't take photos/attachments. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================= >From: "nick" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks-Morse >Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:24:59 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) > > Hi i have a 1 1/2 Hp Z type with spoked flywheels tried to send a >photo but can not get it down to post limit of 15Kb and hear is where i >live >nick > >Nick Holden >Banbury >Oxfordshire (UK) From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 15 15:44:18 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:44:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant Update Message-ID: <00b201c513b8$46edd8b0$230110ac@PAUL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:18 PM Subject: Waiting -- > Hello Paul, > Was waiting to hear if Charlie had been transferred to the Rehab but will > get few lines off to let you know I talked with him about 8 AM today. He > had a good night's sleep. Food is beginning to taste good to him. He has > been accepted to go to Rehab--not far from MA. Gen. as soon as a bed is > available. I have been away today so tried to call him few minutes ago. > No answer--could be he was taking a walk--or maybe he has been > transferred. As soon as I find out, I will send his address and Room # > > It's answered prayer he is feeling much better!! Who ever thought a week > ago ,he would be ready to move out! Thanks for praying! > Lois > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Feb 15 16:33:18 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:33:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200502160033.j1G0XL9L021701@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > In the blabber mode this a.m. but how do ya'll handle it > when two of ya > find a NICE engine together? 50/50 has never worked for me and in my > younger days it caused a lot of problems and now that I'm smarter and > wiser?????????, I'd like to stay away from the 50/50 ownership. > > So how do ya'll handle this? Flip a coin? Heya Rick, Why not let your buddy have first crack at it? Sometimes I've let other guys get the iron, even when I wanted it; and by the same token, others have very generously turned me on to loose on the old iron. What comes around goes around... Rob From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Feb 15 16:52:13 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:52:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines In-Reply-To: <200502160033.j1G0XL9L021701@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502160033.j1G0XL9L021701@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: > Heya Rick, > Why not let your buddy have first crack at it? Sometimes I've let > other guys > get the iron, even when I wanted it; and by the same token, others > have very > generously turned me on to loose on the old iron. What comes around > goes > around... I'd let any of y'all have first crack at it if something turned up we both liked. Something else'll turn up. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 15 16:59:21 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:59:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines References: <20050215.104457.1052.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <007f01c513c2$c0b1fb40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> George is right on the money there is a certain amount of common sense and etiquette involved in not stepping on any toes in a mad rush to buy your next hopeless wreck . The only reason I can see to share an engine is if both of you can barely scrape together the dough to buy it. I did this once with an Indian , and again with a hydroplane . Both proved to be lucrative investments and ruled the roost in the cool dept but I like to never got my money out of the deal . I have given several engines to a nameless , shoeless , friend . I then go over and make sure Mr HamFist doesnt reduce it dust ,fab parts,dig stuff out of my junk , drink his rum , eat his Soddom and GomorrahStyle ? Pork Ribs , and hunt dove from the hot tub.Fair trade , feels good too . Chuck From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 15 17:16:59 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:16:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines References: <200502160033.j1G0XL9L021701@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <008f01c513c5$37548c20$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> What comes around goes > around... > > Rob Yeah.........thats it !!!! From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Tue Feb 15 17:43:02 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:43:02 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines References: <200502160033.j1G0XL9L021701@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <01da01c513c8$dbd78a10$0ad50304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> I share quite a few engines with my wife and it works great. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Tue Feb 15 18:45:49 2005 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:45:49 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re:Ideal Message-ID: <20050216024549.50375.qmail@web41125.mail.yahoo.com> G'day Joe Not a chance, mate! You keep battling away with that Ideal. The best restorations are when you start rough. Just let us know when the pictures are up :-) Cheers Graham in Oz Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:44:16 -0500 From: Joseph L Betz Subject: [SEL] IDEAL Hi List, The other day, I decided to take a whack at getting the IDEAL apart again. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Tue Feb 15 18:51:50 2005 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:51:50 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] RE:Home workshops & equipment Message-ID: <20050216025150.46819.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Reg Just one little thing you forgot...add "and don't wait too long to do it" (i.e don't wait till retirement)! Graham, Oz Message: 10 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:15:16 +1100 From: "Reg Ingold" Subject: Re: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & Equipment Moral? Get in there and enjoy doing YOUR thing! Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Feb 15 18:50:42 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:50:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines Message-ID: <20050215.222619.1360.9.jlb94@juno.com> I think sharin' generally works between 2 men. But if one puts in a lot of work - or a lot of money - and who's storing it - hauling it - maintaining it. Men can usually work this out. In my experience - (And please - I don't wish to hurt feelings. ) When women get involved and start feeling that "Harry" put up most of the money - and hauls it - and maintains it - and he should have the first - or whatever - etc - etc - etc - Then comes the problems. Excuse me while I pry foot out of mouth. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Feb 15 18:39:16 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:39:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines Message-ID: <20050215.222619.1360.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Joe, Sorta like with wives? 8->>> = = = = = = = Ohhhhh - The thought of it all !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rwenig at telus.net Tue Feb 15 19:31:08 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:31:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks-Morse In-Reply-To: <42124C8B.000003.00552@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> References: <42124C8B.000003.00552@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <4212BE7C.9040909@telus.net> Hello Nick, I would like to see it. Try sending to me at and I'll post it where everyone can go have a look. Rupert nick wrote: > Hi i have a 1 1/2 Hp Z type with spoked flywheels tried to send a > > photo but can not get it down to post limit of 15Kb and hear is where i live > nick > > > > Nick Holden > > Banbury > > Oxfordshire (UK) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rexhinz at chorus.net Tue Feb 15 19:45:37 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:45:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines References: <20050215.222619.1360.9.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <000701c513d9$fc7193e0$1886a5d8@mycomputer> OH BOY JOE ! YOUR IN TROUBLE NOW! Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sharin' engines > I think sharin' generally works between 2 men. > > But if one puts in a lot of work - or a lot of money - and who's storing > it - > hauling it - maintaining it. Men can usually work this out. > > In my experience - (And please - I don't wish to hurt feelings. ) When > women get involved and start feeling that "Harry" put up most of the > money - and hauls it - and maintains it - and he should have the first - > or whatever - etc - etc - etc - Then comes the problems. > > Excuse me while I pry foot out of mouth. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - > \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Feb 15 18:39:16 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:39:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines Message-ID: <20050215.224452.1324.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Joe, Sorta like with wives? 8->>> = = = = = = = Ohhhhh - The thought of it all !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Feb 15 18:50:42 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:50:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines Message-ID: <20050215.224452.1324.5.jlb94@juno.com> I think sharin' generally works between 2 men. But if one puts in a lot of work - or a lot of money - and who's storing it - hauling it - maintaining it. Men can usually work this out. In my experience - (And please - I don't wish to hurt feelings. ) When women get involved and start feeling that "Harry" put up most of the money - and hauls it - and maintains it - and he should have the first - or whatever - etc - etc - etc - Then comes the problems. Excuse me while I pry foot out of mouth. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Feb 15 19:50:42 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:50:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] A nice pair of engines Message-ID: <200502160350.j1G3ocdZ016866@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Here are some pics of a pair of Crossleys recently finished by a couple of engine mates: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/pscrossleyfin.html They run as good as they look. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Feb 15 20:20:00 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:20:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines In-Reply-To: <007f01c513c2$c0b1fb40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <20050215.104457.1052.5.jlb94@juno.com> <007f01c513c2$c0b1fb40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050215231836.02598aa0@mail.alltel.net> > I did this once with an Indian > >Chuck I didn't know any Indians were into antique engines. Dvae From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Feb 15 21:21:39 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:21:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines In-Reply-To: <20050215.224452.1324.5.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050215.224452.1324.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <4212D863.6000201@earthlink.net> You make a good point about sharing Joe. Who put up the most money, hauls it, maintains it, etc. Been there and done that with something other than engines, and it don't work. I will admit that some ( note I said some) women can cause problems like this. Same ones that blame you when their hubby comes home drunk, cause he don't drink. Been there too!! Jeff Allen Joseph L Betz wrote: >I think sharin' generally works between 2 men. > >But if one puts in a lot of work - or a lot of money - and who's storing >it - >hauling it - maintaining it. Men can usually work this out. > >In my experience - (And please - I don't wish to hurt feelings. ) When >women get involved and start feeling that "Harry" put up most of the >money - and hauls it - and maintains it - and he should have the first - >or whatever - etc - etc - etc - Then comes the problems. > >Excuse me while I pry foot out of mouth. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - > \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Feb 15 21:31:12 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:31:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] ATIS auction proceeds Message-ID: <4212DAA0.9000504@earthlink.net> Hi all, I remember a couple engine show sites/venues that were hit by mother nature last year. One was flooded, and I think the other had large wind problems that are also called tornadoes. Could someone bring stooopid me up to speed on this? Think they are great candidates for part of the auction proceeds. Jeff Allen PS, Not trying to rush it Spencer. Just want to have a worthy nomination for the funds. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Feb 15 23:53:14 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:53:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] RE:Home workshops & equipment References: <20050216025150.46819.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <019c01c513fd$909589a0$06111bd3@reg> So, who's perfect? VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Harris" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 1:51 PM Subject: [SEL] RE:Home workshops & equipment > Hi Reg > > Just one little thing you forgot...add "and don't wait > too long to do it" (i.e don't wait till retirement)! > > Graham, Oz > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:15:16 +1100 > From: "Reg Ingold" > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT (Maybe) - Home Workshops & > Equipment > > Moral? Get in there and enjoy doing YOUR thing! > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed Feb 16 00:08:37 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:08:37 +1100 Subject: [SEL] A nice pair of engines References: <200502160350.j1G3ocdZ016866@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001801c513ff$307cca40$283354d2@cam> A very nice pair of engines Patrick. A nice restoration. Cam. Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:50 PM Subject: [SEL] A nice pair of engines > Here are some pics of a pair of Crossleys recently finished by a couple of > engine mates: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/pscrossleyfin.html > They run as good as they look. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Wed Feb 9 10:37:41 2005 From: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:37:41 Subject: [SEL] RUSTY RUNS Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050209103741.009ba228@127.0.0.1> Hi All, At about 12.30 am (Central African Time) on 15 February 2005 "Rusty" (my 1949 Ruston & Hornsby PT - ) coughed and spluttered his way back to life. This followed about 10 minutes of cranking and then about half an hour of "cranking and cussing" then another half an hour of "cussing and cranking" (notice that the "cussing" in the 2nd half hour took precedence). Thereafter I decided to use Justin Ludewig's philosophy and explained to "Rusty" in no uncertain terms that he was destined to become "just another few kilogrammes of molten metal at that big furnace in Vanderbijlpark" (ISCOR or The South African Iron And Steel CORporation for those of you not local). When he realised that I was serious - he suddenly sprang to life and ran beautifully for about 3 hours (using about 300 ml of petrol per hour - which is much slower than the rate at which I consume "Brandy & Coke" when I am excited.) He ran beautifully - about 500 rpm - never missing a beat. His sound, initially, was very quiet (almost like the hissing of my Broom & Wade Compressor) Or like a "Poofter" farting - "poof" - "poof" - "poof". I discovered that his silencer (original Ruston & Hornsby) was totally clogged up and that he was only "farting" through 1 hole. After cleaning the other 3 holes he really started sounding like an engine and ran for the rest of of the time without a hiccup. He boiled the water in his tank ( a smallish fire extinguisher bottle) after 2 hours so I stuck the hosepipe in and slowly ran cold water into the tank which brought things back to normal. I ran out of Brandy before he ran out of petrol so stopped him and proceeded to write this mail. Best regards Jerry Evans Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Tel. +27 16 365-5787 --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Feb 16 02:08:41 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:08:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] RUSTY RUNS References: <3.0.6.32.20050209103741.009ba228@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <004001c5140f$7de85410$1ca11dd3@morris> G'Day Jerry Well done, it is great to get one going for the first time. Were there any/many South African engine manufactures, as the only ones I have seen are English. You or George or any other SA members might like to tell us about any South African engine manufactures. All the best Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ > Hi All, > At about 12.30 am (Central African Time) on 15 February 2005 "Rusty" (my > 1949 Ruston & Hornsby PT - ) > coughed and spluttered his way back to life. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 14/02/2005 From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed Feb 16 02:26:34 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:26:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] RUSTY RUNS References: <3.0.6.32.20050209103741.009ba228@127.0.0.1> <004001c5140f$7de85410$1ca11dd3@morris> Message-ID: <003a01c51411$fd961c40$283354d2@cam> Hi Jerry Goodonya Mate that's about the best description of a first time run I've seen, hope you have a lot of fun with it. Good feeling aint it. Have another Brandy on your success. catchya Cam. Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] RUSTY RUNS > G'Day Jerry > > Well done, it is great to get one going for the first time. > Were there any/many South African engine manufactures, as the only ones I > have seen are English. > You or George or any other SA members might like to tell us about any South > African engine manufactures. > All the best > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow NSW OZ > > > > > > Hi All, > > At about 12.30 am (Central African Time) on 15 February 2005 "Rusty" (my > > 1949 Ruston & Hornsby PT - ) > > coughed and spluttered his way back to life. > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 14/02/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Feb 16 05:09:43 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:09:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Making a piston References: <0uq311pj01ngdkt8mncqc36a32esu72sgq@4ax.com> <002001c5139e$5ebd4530$40c19a18@pengy> Message-ID: You'll get my business when I need casting done Rick. Machinist bud was just wondering about steel. Thanx Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Making a piston > Hey I can cast an iron piston for you!!! > > Rick Rowlands > Tod Engine Works > 100 South Bridge Street Bldg. F > Struthers, OH 44471 > 330-728-2799 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Scales" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:59 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Making a piston > > > > In message , Richard Strobel > > writes > >>Not familiar with "Meehanite" and dictionary.com doesn't either....or am > >>I > >>fallin' into something > >> > >>Rick > > > > No, it's legit. www.meehanite.com - basically it's a very high quality > > fine-grained cast iron. > > > > Pete > > > > -- > > Peter Scales > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Feb 16 05:49:49 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:49:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A nice pair of engines References: <200502160350.j1G3ocdZ016866@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Thanx for sharing, Patrick. Just learned that droul can freeze up a keyboard "Only in my Dreams" RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:50 PM Subject: [SEL] A nice pair of engines > Here are some pics of a pair of Crossleys recently finished by a couple of > engine mates: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/pscrossleyfin.html > They run as good as they look. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Feb 16 06:16:42 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:16:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine in Oz Message-ID: Hi Folks, This question from the Wizard of Oz... Reply direct to Pete at plowe at ceinternet.com.au as he isn't on the SEL at present. ========================================= Hi mate Can you please pass this email and link onto ATIS Regards Peter Hi all Here is a link the a page on this engine I am trying to identify Anyone Know ????????????????????????????? http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/R&Vwebsite/mystery%20engine.htm Regards Peter, oz From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 16 06:56:56 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:56:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18462.165.206.180.118.1108565816.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Yes, it is off topic, but it does have an engine which much of the time will be stationary as I don't want to rack up much mileage on the 24,050 it has now. At roughly 340 hp, it should run the grinder or power hacksaw ok................ http://www.antique-engines.com/javelin-photos.asp It's home and resting comfortably. Waiting for a few fixer-upper parts (heater blower motor, etc) Bill Dickerson chilly Runnells, Iowa From falcon at telenet.net Wed Feb 16 08:06:05 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:06:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) References: <18462.165.206.180.118.1108565816.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <000201c51441$e2af5ba0$975c14d0@net.telenet.net> NICE, Yes you can add an electric choke to that carb. I think Jegs or Yogis have the kits. Coil looks OK but the wiring..... How close to sticker price did you pay? Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:56 AM Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) > Yes, it is off topic, but it does have an engine which much of the time > will be stationary as I don't want to rack up much mileage on the 24,050 > it has now. > > At roughly 340 hp, it should run the grinder or power hacksaw > ok................ > > http://www.antique-engines.com/javelin-photos.asp > > It's home and resting comfortably. Waiting for a few fixer-upper parts > (heater blower motor, etc) > > Bill Dickerson > chilly Runnells, Iowa > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 16 09:03:39 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:03:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: <000201c51441$e2af5ba0$975c14d0@net.telenet.net> References: <18462.165.206.180.118.1108565816.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <000201c51441$e2af5ba0$975c14d0@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <20107.165.206.180.118.1108573419.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Agreed on the coil wiring - cheap crimp on ends, it WILL be replaced with a more professional wiring job. Similar for the dealer installed rear window defogger - the switch is below dash with nasty looking wiring job. Well, about 2.5 times................ plus the parts I'm gathering for the restoration and fixin' up........... picked up a group 19 dual point distributor for it (meaning it was a factory performance option) MAY convert to electronic, however. The worst part will probably be getting the headliner replaced/repaired. The fabric has sagged from the backing - a common problem with those early ones. Common, heck, almost ALL did it. Bill > NICE, > > Yes you can add an electric choke to that carb. I think Jegs or Yogis > have the kits. > > Coil looks OK but the wiring..... > > How close to sticker price did you pay? > > Steve Williams > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:56 AM > Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) > > >> Yes, it is off topic, but it does have an engine which much of the > time >> will be stationary as I don't want to rack up much mileage on the > 24,050 >> it has now. >> >> At roughly 340 hp, it should run the grinder or power hacksaw >> ok................ >> >> http://www.antique-engines.com/javelin-photos.asp >> >> It's home and resting comfortably. Waiting for a few fixer-upper parts >> (heater blower motor, etc) >> >> Bill Dickerson >> chilly Runnells, Iowa >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Feb 16 09:10:31 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:10:31 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) Message-ID: > > Yes, it is off topic, but it does have an engine which much of the > time > > will be stationary as I don't want to rack up much mileage on the > 24,050 > > it has now. Just unhook the speedo cable like the previous owners did ;-) George From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 16 10:10:02 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:10:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20625.165.206.180.118.1108577402.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Yeah - and I would have thought that except for the receipts, invoices, etc. showing a pretty complete history - plus the condition of most parts, including original exhaust system......... I did question the history. It sat for 12 years shortly after the original owner bought it. Then a collector bought it, and the last fellow kept it on a trailer most of the time. Me... it's just too much fun to drive this baby! But with 3.9:1 or so rear end it won't go on any road trips! Yikes! 3500 rpm just to keep up with slow traffic! And with the drone of the engine running that speed.......... > > Just unhook the speedo cable like the previous owners did ;-) > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nick at holden1.net Wed Feb 16 10:27:33 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:27:33 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Photos Message-ID: <42139095.00000B.00888@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Thanks to Bo and Rupert for the offered help with the photos of my Fairbanks Morse you will be able to see them soon nick Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Feb 16 14:25:08 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:25:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Sharin' engines References: <200502160033.j1G0XL9L021701@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <01da01c513c8$dbd78a10$0ad50304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <4213C844.79A4238D@insulate.co.uk> Jim and Diane wrote: > I share quite a few engines with my wife and it works great. Hi Jim We'd go along with that. I have a couple of engines which are "mine" - at least, I take the credit for them and Jim gets them running etc. Jim also says he's in a great position when it comes to sharing engines. So's his twin brother, Andy. Another bonus of being a twin!! Every engine which is "Andy's" or "Jim's" can equally belong to the other brother!!! Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 14/02/2005 From todengine at zoominternet.net Wed Feb 16 14:37:28 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:37:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Gear Ratio Advice-Driving the Tod Engine References: <42139095.00000B.00888@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <02d601c51478$18290660$40c19a18@pengy> I'm trying to come up with some way to eventually drive the Tod engine with electric, since steam is out of the question and air also isn't practical or economical. I think I may have found a way to use a piece of equipment on hand. In the former Youngstown Sheet and Tube 9" bar mill building is a homemade scrap baler, a machine that would coil up scrap wire from a rolling mill into a big roll that would then be fed back to the furnaces to remelt. I think the baler's electric drive would work to run the Tod with some modification. First, I would like to be able to operate the Tod at about 12 rpm. The operating speed for the engine was 75 rpm, but thats way too fast for just display. Plus we are looking at over 150 tons of revolving and reciprocating mass so I don't want to get it moving too fast! I think 12 rpm gives it enough speed to be interesting to watch but slow enough to make me feel safe running it. The scrap baler has a 15 hp 230 VDC motor which has a nameplate speed of between 400 to 1600 rpm. It drives a huge gear reducer which has a nameplate input speed of 1200 and says is designed for 18.9 which I interpret as being an 18.9 to 1 reduction. Then the drive shaft goes to a 15 tooth pinion driving a 50 tooth spur gear. So assuming a motor speed of 1200 rpm I come up with 63.5 rpm out of the reducer then by dividing the number of teeth in the spur gear by the pinion I come up with 3.33 or 3.33 to 1 ratio. 63.5 divided by 3.33 is 19 rpm. Now my option is to just leave it at that and adjust the motor speed to get my 12 rpm or I could put another set of gears with a 1.5 to 1 ratio to get 12.66 rpm. I like the second option as I have no idea how many amps and horsepower it will take to get 150 tons moving from a dead stop, and the more reduction in the drive train the more mechanical advantage the motor has. Now I ask the advice of anyone who has some mathematical background to check my figures. Am I on target with my calculations or have I gone way off? Math is not my strong suit by a long shot! Will this idea of mine work?? I like the idea of using the scrap baler drive for the following reasons. First it was homebuilt by Youngstown Sheet and Tube and is about as old as the Tod so it fits in. I didn't want a modern AC motor and gearbox that would look completely out of place. Second I really like the old type DC electrical equipment that was universally used in the mills. The drive would be a mini exhibit in itself of old style DC power with barrel controllers, resistor grids and those big old loud contactors. There is a practically unlimited amount of DC electrical equipment around for me to assemble a control system. The third reason is that its free! I set up a new album with photos of the scrap baler at: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine There is a spare DC motor on a platform above the motor in the pics. At 15 hp they draw 50 amps! Geez!! Probably spike way up when starting to turn the engine but fall way back after it gets spinning. We may someday get a DC overhead crane for the display building so I'll have to set up a way of making the DC. I do have a rectifier with the capacity to handle the loads or I could go with a motor generator set. Hmm, maybe a steam driven DC generator set? Maybe both. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From ELIDAS at aol.com Wed Feb 16 15:05:32 2005 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:05:32 EST Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) Message-ID: In a message dated 2/16/2005 12:20:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bill at antique-engines.com writes: http://www.antique-engines.com/javelin-photos.asp Very nice!! From another AMC guy. Mike Semanoff Waterbury,CT From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Feb 16 16:08:45 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:08:45 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder Message-ID: <009301c51484$da050d90$8c9f0952@no1> Passed on from the UK engine list. Very nice but way over my price range. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69826&item=6511821299&rd=1 Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Feb 16 16:31:51 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 01:31:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder References: <009301c51484$da050d90$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: <000b01c51488$12d3b7e0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Sure it's a little wonder, but starting at $3300.00 is way to much. (for me). John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Passed on from the UK engine list. > Very nice but way over my price range. > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69826&item=6511821299&rd=1 > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From brianne at ultratune.com.au Wed Feb 16 17:06:13 2005 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:06:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 11, Issue 15 References: <200502151100.j1FB09lC003481@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <00a901c5148c$e09ab760$b9c4dccb@pcuser> Hi Edd Thanks for your reply, I do not know what size we need as I am new to all this. We just want to run it as a demo on occasions, not real work. I guess approx 6" dia? would suffice. The pulley we are driving is approx that size on a hopper fed screw type grinder/cutter. What are your thoughts? Brian Brian Taylor Hervey Bay Historical Museum 13 Zephyr St..Scarness Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html >I can probably help with an original.What dia are you after as they come in several sizes.Give me a call ,my phone#is at the bottom of my address.Or reply of list. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Feb 16 17:15:24 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:15:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder In-Reply-To: <000b01c51488$12d3b7e0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200502170116.j1H1G4Vs082223@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Way too pricey. There are so many things wrong with this engine I do not know where to begin! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- > Passed on from the UK engine list. > Very nice but way over my price range. > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69826&item=65118212 99&rd=1 > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From clemsweller at earthlink.net Wed Feb 16 19:32:52 2005 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:32:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: <20107.165.206.180.118.1108573419.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <000001c514a1$63179ff0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Nice set of wheels! Chuck -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill at antique-engines.com Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 12:04 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) Agreed on the coil wiring - cheap crimp on ends, it WILL be replaced with a more professional wiring job. Similar for the dealer installed rear window defogger - the switch is below dash with nasty looking wiring job. Well, about 2.5 times................ plus the parts I'm gathering for the restoration and fixin' up........... picked up a group 19 dual point distributor for it (meaning it was a factory performance option) MAY convert to electronic, however. The worst part will probably be getting the headliner replaced/repaired. The fabric has sagged from the backing - a common problem with those early ones. Common, heck, almost ALL did it. Bill > NICE, > > Yes you can add an electric choke to that carb. I think Jegs or Yogis > have the kits. > > Coil looks OK but the wiring..... > > How close to sticker price did you pay? > > Steve Williams > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:56 AM > Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) > > >> Yes, it is off topic, but it does have an engine which much of the > time >> will be stationary as I don't want to rack up much mileage on the > 24,050 >> it has now. >> >> At roughly 340 hp, it should run the grinder or power hacksaw >> ok................ >> >> http://www.antique-engines.com/javelin-photos.asp >> >> It's home and resting comfortably. Waiting for a few fixer-upper parts >> (heater blower motor, etc) >> >> Bill Dickerson >> chilly Runnells, Iowa >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Feb 16 20:02:31 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:02:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: <18462.165.206.180.118.1108565816.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <18462.165.206.180.118.1108565816.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <42141757.7000508@earthlink.net> Bill, That is one sweet looking machine. Please define restore for me. It don't need it. Just a little TLC and it's there. Do a little research and bring it back to original. Lose the crap carb and coil cause I don't think they belong. Forget about dual point and go with lectronic ignition. I'm sure it's available. Dual point is a pain unless you have a distributer machine if you remember them. Sure brings back some memories for me. Me thinks you should not let it rest. See how fast you can make slicks out of the rear tires. Hope you remember how to handle it when it wants to swap ends. Counter steer, keep it on the floor, and grin. Drooling in chilly Colorado, Jeff SWEET CAR! bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >Yes, it is off topic, but it does have an engine which much of the time >will be stationary as I don't want to rack up much mileage on the 24,050 >it has now. > >At roughly 340 hp, it should run the grinder or power hacksaw >ok................ > >http://www.antique-engines.com/javelin-photos.asp > >It's home and resting comfortably. Waiting for a few fixer-upper parts >(heater blower motor, etc) > >Bill Dickerson >chilly Runnells, Iowa >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Feb 16 06:57:42 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:57:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards Message-ID: Anyone out there design business cards with H&M engine? Helen did one for me several years ago but it had too many colors. Spud and I both need them. Our artistic skills are zip, zilch. Thanx!! RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Feb 16 23:57:55 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:57:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder References: <009301c51484$da050d90$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: <029201c514c7$8665e7c0$6c0d1bd3@reg> Makes ya wonder what my mailbox is getting to!! VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:08 AM Subject: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder > Passed on from the UK engine list. > Very nice but way over my price range. > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69826&item=6511821299&rd=1 > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Thu Feb 17 01:19:40 2005 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:19:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder References: <200502170116.j1H1G4Vs082223@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <005101c514d1$d0348370$0301a8c0@Young1203> Hi Patrick, as an owner of one of these little critters I reckon the price is about right! However if I was buying, I would agree that its way too dear for an engine which has a few things which don't look original too me. My engine - age unknown, but probably pre 1920 - has original paint and pinstripping. Paint on base and cylinder is dark green with thin yellow stripping and red flywheels. Michael Young Waratah Scientific Services Mining Environmental & Geological Services 5 Beech Crescent, Orange, NSW, 2800 Phone: 02 6361 0041 Mobile: 0414 015 864 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:15 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder > Way too pricey. There are so many things wrong with this engine I do not > know where to begin! > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > -----Original Message----- > > > Passed on from the UK engine list. > > Very nice but way over my price range. > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69826&item=65118212 > 99&rd=1 > > Dave Croft > > Warrington > > England > > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Thu Feb 17 01:40:51 2005 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:40:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards References: Message-ID: <005801c514d4$c6164e20$0301a8c0@Young1203> Hi, I have made cards for myself and its easy. MS publisher has heaps of templates which you can use with space to drop in a pic of your favourite toy. Print them out on pre perforated cardboard that you can buy. If you have probls send me your details and I'll make one just for the heck of it. Michael Young Waratah Scientific Services Mining Environmental & Geological Services 5 Beech Crescent, Orange, NSW, 2800 Phone: 02 6361 0041 Mobile: 0414 015 864 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:57 AM Subject: [SEL] Business Cards > Anyone out there design business cards with H&M engine? Helen did one for > me several years ago but it had too many colors. Spud and I both need them. > Our artistic skills are zip, zilch. > > Thanx!! > RickinMt. > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Feb 17 01:45:55 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:45:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder In-Reply-To: <005101c514d1$d0348370$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <200502170945.j1H9jmuj031451@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> At the current exchange rate the engine is at AU$4205. I could buy a nice restored open crank engine for less than that! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Patrick, as an owner of one of these little critters I reckon the price is about right! However if I was buying, I would agree that its way too dear for an engine which has a few things which don't look original too me. My engine - age unknown, but probably pre 1920 - has original paint and pinstripping. Paint on base and cylinder is dark green with thin yellow stripping and red flywheels. Michael Young From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Feb 17 03:52:15 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:52:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder References: <009301c51484$da050d90$8c9f0952@no1> <029201c514c7$8665e7c0$6c0d1bd3@reg> Message-ID: <007401c514e7$2112ac80$703354d2@cam> Crikey Reg you've got the most expensive letter box in the World. Catchya Cam Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder > Makes ya wonder what my mailbox is getting to!! VBG > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Croft" > To: "atis" > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:08 AM > Subject: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder > > > > Passed on from the UK engine list. > > Very nice but way over my price range. > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69826&item=6511821299&rd=1 > > Dave Croft > > Warrington > > England > > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Feb 17 05:00:17 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 05:00:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: <42141757.7000508@earthlink.net> References: <18462.165.206.180.118.1108565816.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42141757.7000508@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <32435.165.206.180.118.1108645217.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Well, Jeff - to me restore is to put back into a condition that reflects what it could have been like when it was new. That means to be equipped as the factory did, and any options be period options or dealer or factory options. That being said, the high-output Mallory coil IS a "group 19" factory option. Well, it's an option listed by the factory with a factory part number but was dealer installed. Same for the R4B aluminum intake (made by Edelbrock for AMC with AMC part number). The carb, however WAS changed later - it may have been equipped with a good Holley carb. Someone in the 90's put the Edelbrock on. It's jetted and calibrated for high performance street applications. Eventually, when I can afford, I'll attempt to find a good Holley, but those are expensive and tougher to jet and maintain. The dual point setup was also a group 19 option and those cars often were equipped with them. I may indeed go to a Pentronix sort of setup - electronic but make NO mods to the distributor appearance. You see only a box on the fender. I'm thinking of removing the white guard strips someone added along the sides of the car at some point. They break up the lines of the car and interfere with the rally stripe setup. Besides, one came off anyway. The vinyl top was replaced in about 1992 and is in good shape. Original trunk mat is there and trunk has original spatter finish and space-saver spare. I found out that this car requires 91 octane or better gas - there goes the wallet........... it's a higher compression engine. Got a pair of free-flow exhaust manifolds coming for it from a 71. May opt for the Trendsetter sidepipe option (also an option for this car) There are outfits making them again. It needs new carpet (faded and very discolored), the headliner as I mentioned is sagging, the dash overlay is coming loose near the glovebox. There are a couple of small tears at the seams in the seat on the drivers seat. There is indication that rust is starting behind the rear wheels at the bottom edge of the quarter panels. The radiator is clean inside, transmission was rebuilt about 1,000 miles ago (seals and rings had hardened), it's got torque links - rare for a Javelin, a regular thing for an AMX. (those prevent rear spring wind up and allow these to pull the front wheels up) Dealer option tissue dispenser, dealer installed rally pack gauges, dealer installed rear window defog option, factory 8 track, Go pack 140mph spedo (yeah, right with a low gear rear end!) and tach, heavy-duty cooling system. I'll be looking for a pair of Tung Sol headlights for it. That was the original brand used. Needs a blower motor really bad, otherwise no heat or defrost! BRRRR. So looking for a good used blower motor for an AMC with A/C Otherwise, a person could simply drive it now...... I'll be taking more photos and posting them soon. Yes, TLC is really what it needs, there isn't much major to do. Bill > Bill, > > That is one sweet looking machine. Please define restore for me. It > don't need it. Just a little TLC and it's there. > > Do a little research and bring it back to original. Lose the crap carb > and coil cause I don't think they belong. Forget about dual point and go > with lectronic ignition. I'm sure it's available. Dual point is a pain > unless you have a distributer machine if you remember them. > > Sure brings back some memories for me. Me thinks you should not let it > rest. See how fast you can make slicks out of the rear tires. Hope you > remember how to handle it when it wants to swap ends. Counter steer, > keep it on the floor, and grin. > > Drooling in chilly Colorado, > > Jeff > > SWEET CAR! > > bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > >>Yes, it is off topic, but it does have an engine which much of the time >>will be stationary as I don't want to rack up much mileage on the 24,050 >>it has now. >> >>At roughly 340 hp, it should run the grinder or power hacksaw >>ok................ >> >>http://www.antique-engines.com/javelin-photos.asp >> >>It's home and resting comfortably. Waiting for a few fixer-upper parts >>(heater blower motor, etc) >> >>Bill Dickerson >>chilly Runnells, Iowa >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Feb 17 05:09:51 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:09:51 EST Subject: [SEL] Business Cards Message-ID: <1f1.35985dfb.2f45f19f@aol.com> In a message dated 2/17/2005 2:53:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << Anyone out there design business cards with H&M engine? >> Rick, I make mine using Print Artist and put in a photo of my 1/2 New Holland engine on it. Also use preforated card stock from the office supply company. Wife makes lots of greeting cards on this software too. If I can do it, you certainly can! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 17 05:28:42 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:28:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050217082453.026b28f8@mail.alltel.net> Just take a picture (side view) of the engine that you want on the card to somewhere that prints (or takes orders) business cards. They can decrease the size and use it for your cards. Dave PS, Lots of them in the bible will work just fine. At 09:57 AM 2/16/2005, you wrote: >Anyone out there design business cards with H&M engine? Helen did one for >me several years ago but it had too many colors. Spud and I both need them. >Our artistic skills are zip, zilch. > >Thanx!! >RickinMt. >http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Thu Feb 17 05:29:56 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:29:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) References: <18462.165.206.180.118.1108565816.squirrel@antique-engines.com><42141757.7000508@earthlink.net> <32435.165.206.180.118.1108645217.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <002b01c514f4$c5d9fae0$8d1117d1@net.telenet.net> Bill, On the blower motor, I would suspect that is a common motor that was installed in an AMC specific plate mount. Might be possible to swap it out with a more common one, like from a GM product. It looks a LOT like the one I have for my Starfire. Maybe just swap out the guts? Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) > > Needs a blower motor really bad, otherwise no heat or defrost! BRRRR. So > looking for a good used blower motor for an AMC with A/C > > Otherwise, a person could simply drive it now...... > > I'll be taking more photos and posting them soon. > > Yes, TLC is really what it needs, there isn't much major to do. > > Bill > > > Bill, From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Feb 17 06:01:30 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:01:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards References: Message-ID: <002f01c514f9$2efd6da0$14b6f504@x8h7l9> Rick, I made mine using WordPerfect. You could probably use Word too. It has a graphic of a FMZ and color border. I print them on 8 1/2 X 11 photo paper on the HP inkjet 10 up and spray them with Rustolium Clear Matt it fix the inkjet color. I spray both sides to keep them from curling. When the clear coat is dry, I cut them up on the paper cutter. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:57 AM Subject: [SEL] Business Cards > Anyone out there design business cards with H&M engine? Helen did one for > me several years ago but it had too many colors. Spud and I both need them. > Our artistic skills are zip, zilch. > > Thanx!! > RickinMt. > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Feb 17 06:01:07 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 06:01:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <1f1.35985dfb.2f45f19f@aol.com> References: <1f1.35985dfb.2f45f19f@aol.com> Message-ID: <33286.165.206.180.118.1108648867.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Agreed - I use MS publisher and made thousands of business cards for the shop and ourselves over the years. For about 6 bucks you can get a package of business card stock - even fancy colors and designs if you want. Some have American flag background, etc. or add your own background. Use a scan or a digital photo, works SLICK and easy. Bill > In a message dated 2/17/2005 2:53:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > > << Anyone out there design business cards with H&M engine? >> > > Rick, > > I make mine using Print Artist and put in a photo of my 1/2 New Holland > engine on it. Also use preforated card stock from the office supply > company. Wife > makes lots of greeting cards on this software too. If I can do it, you > certainly can! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 17 07:42:51 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:42:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <33286.165.206.180.118.1108648867.squirrel@antique-engines. com> References: <1f1.35985dfb.2f45f19f@aol.com> <33286.165.206.180.118.1108648867.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050217103835.02701d60@mail.alltel.net> At 09:01 AM 2/17/2005, you wrote: >Agreed - I use MS publisher and made thousands of business cards for the >shop and ourselves over the years. >For about 6 bucks you can get a package of business card stock - even >fancy colors and designs if you want. Some have American flag background, >etc. or add your own background. >Use a scan or a digital photo, works SLICK and easy. >Bill What I've found over the years is that business cards made on a computer look like------well, they look like they are made on a computer. I can get 1,000 business cards printed professionally for under $30.00---and they DON'T look like some kid made them on a computer! Dave PS, Add up all your expenses (paper, ink, etc.) and your time and I'll bet I've got a better deal--and a hell of a lot better looking card! From driggars at earthlink.net Thu Feb 17 08:39:35 2005 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:39:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards References: <1f1.35985dfb.2f45f19f@aol.com><33286.165.206.180.118.1108648867.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050217103835.02701d60@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <00d101c5150f$4514a200$6e408304@clinton> dave hummm, I dont know, I have been printing mine for a few years now and my looks just like a professional done them, no added charges for special colors, adding photos, etc. I use a program called Buisness Card Designer Plus 2000 I have been very satisfioed with the results, what I really like about doing my own cards is I do not have to do so many at a time, I can print up whatever amount I want and if I decide to change something I can do so in 5 minutes and print different cards and not have to use up a 1000, etc Clint > At 09:01 AM 2/17/2005, you wrote: > >Agreed - I use MS publisher and made thousands of business cards for the > >shop and ourselves over the years. > >For about 6 bucks you can get a package of business card stock - even > >fancy colors and designs if you want. Some have American flag background, > >etc. or add your own background. > >Use a scan or a digital photo, works SLICK and easy. > >Bill > > What I've found over the years is that business cards made on a computer > look like------well, they look like they are made on a computer. I can get > 1,000 business cards printed professionally for under $30.00---and they > DON'T look like some kid made them on a computer! > Dave > PS, Add up all your expenses (paper, ink, etc.) and your time and I'll bet > I've got a better deal--and a hell of a lot better looking card! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Thu Feb 17 08:46:13 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:46:13 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards Message-ID: Buying 1000 cards may be the cheaper way to go, but printing your own has a few advantages. Printing your own cards in small batches lets you have multiple designs which can target specific engines. For example you could make cards for each of the major engine manufacturers you have an interest in. So if you know of someone with a Stickney that you'd like to buy, you give them your card with a Stickney engine on it, that person will automatically assume that you're serious about Stickney's and may remember your card more than someone else with a generic card. Everyone needs some generic cards, but the custom ones can come in handy. Biggest problem with the custom ones is that it is not convenient to carry around a stack of cards with all your interests, so it requires a bit of planning ahead to know which type or types of card to carry. Of course we all know that very rarely does anyone remember someone when it comes time to sell. They usually sell to whoever asks first when they decide to sell ;-) George in Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Dave Rotigel > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:43 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Business Cards > > At 09:01 AM 2/17/2005, you wrote: > >Agreed - I use MS publisher and made thousands of business cards for > >the shop and ourselves over the years. > >For about 6 bucks you can get a package of business card > stock - even > >fancy colors and designs if you want. Some have American flag > >background, etc. or add your own background. > >Use a scan or a digital photo, works SLICK and easy. > >Bill > > What I've found over the years is that business cards made on > a computer look like------well, they look like they are made > on a computer. I can get 1,000 business cards printed > professionally for under $30.00---and they DON'T look like > some kid made them on a computer! > Dave > PS, Add up all your expenses (paper, ink, etc.) and your time > and I'll bet I've got a better deal--and a hell of a lot > better looking card! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Feb 17 08:58:20 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:58:20 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: <32435.165.206.180.118.1108645217.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <200502171658.j1HGwNEM077466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: bill at antique-engines.com [mailto:bill at antique-engines.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:00 AM > > Well, Jeff - to me restore is to put back into a condition > that reflects what it could have been like when it was new. Here's the web page of Terre Thaemlitz. Terre is owner of a badass, gas-guzzling 1971 AMC Javelin SST 360 and wants to meet other Javelin owners. http://www.comatonse.com/reviews/sfbg020900.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 17 09:50:24 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:50:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: <200502171658.j1HGwNEM077466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502171658.j1HGwNEM077466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Hi Rob, Well, that's probably the most interesting post to date in the whole exceeding long thread. I especially like the view of Thaemlitz's "hubcaps" poking up at the top of the dress. Who knows, maybe the next posts in the thread will detail the courtship. See ya, Arnie On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Rob Skinner wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bill at antique-engines.com [mailto:bill at antique-engines.com] > > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:00 AM > > > > Well, Jeff - to me restore is to put back into a condition > > that reflects what it could have been like when it was new. > > Here's the web page of Terre Thaemlitz. Terre is owner of a badass, > gas-guzzling 1971 AMC Javelin SST 360 and wants to meet other > Javelin owners. > http://www.comatonse.com/reviews/sfbg020900.html From nick at holden1.net Thu Feb 17 10:08:41 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:08:41 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Message-ID: <4214DDA9.000003.03908@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Thanks to Bo you can see my Fairbanks 1 1/2 Hp with the spoked flywheels as you can see i am still working on it to get it ready for this year at the rallies nick http://albums.photo.epson com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009275&a=31643848&f= Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Feb 17 10:34:02 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:34:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: References: <200502171658.j1HGwNEM077466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <36271.165.206.180.118.1108665242.squirrel@antique-engines.com> This weekend I spoke with a couple engine guys who left the list a while back and found out why..................... They spoke of attitudes........and simply felt they weren't good enough to be here (as implied by a couple of folks on the list). Wondered when the list god(s)/owner-apparent would speak out........... As long as it comes from "certain folks" it's ok? it appears that way.........but heaven forbid if someone should speak out against one of THOSE exceedingly long OT threads..... WE use our delete keys when uninterested. Hey, it's not cow prolapses! :-) It at least WAS hardware related with an old engine. Geesh - Fine - use your delete key if this "OFFENDS" you :-\ > Hi Rob, > > Well, that's probably the most interesting post to date in the whole > exceedin g long thread. I especially like the view of Thaemlitz's > "hubcaps" poking up at the top of the dress. > > Who knows, maybe the next posts in the thread will detail the courtship. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Rob Skinner wrote: > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: bill at antique-engines.com [mailto:bill at antique-engines.com] >> > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:00 AM >> > >> > Well, Jeff - to me restore is to put back into a condition >> > that reflects what it could have been like when it was new. >> >> Here's the web page of Terre Thaemlitz. Terre is owner of a badass, >> gas-guzzling 1971 AMC Javelin SST 360 and wants to meet other >> Javelin owners. >> http://www.comatonse.com/reviews/sfbg020900.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Feb 17 11:11:29 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:11:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: References: <200502171658.j1HGwNEM077466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <36748.165.206.180.118.1108667489.squirrel@antique-engines.com> and sorry if the last reply seemed a bit harsh - hell day at work - I've found stuff that will get some people dismissed, been working with management on documentation and computer logs and forensics and they are pulling "the race card" on us and threatening law suite. > Hi Rob, > > Well, that's probably the most interesting post to date in the whole > exceeding long thread. I especially like the view of Thaemlitz's > "hubcaps" poking up at the top of the dress. > > Who knows, maybe the next posts in the thread will detail the courtship. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Rob Skinner wrote: > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: bill at antique-engines.com [mailto:bill at antique-engines.com] >> > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:00 AM >> > >> > Well, Jeff - to me restore is to put back into a condition >> > that reflects what it could have been like when it was new. >> >> Here's the web page of Terre Thaemlitz. Terre is owner of a badass, >> gas-guzzling 1971 AMC Javelin SST 360 and wants to meet other >> Javelin owners. >> http://www.comatonse.com/reviews/sfbg020900.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From EnginePaul at aol.com Thu Feb 17 11:26:06 2005 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:26:06 EST Subject: [SEL] Business Cards Message-ID: <1e5.35e91ac5.2f4649ce@aol.com> Avery.com has templates for their 10-up cards, template #8371. General tips: For photos use coated stock. Print a test card before going too far; the great looking large card on the screen may look bad and even be illegible when printed out. Your printer should be in good condition. (mine hasn't worked all that well lately and quality has slipped) Don't use too many, or "artsy" type styles; makes the card hard to read. If you carry them in your wallet, they will smear. Try coating as suggested on another post. Paul, Former Printer (Started when I was 11 with real type) From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Feb 17 11:29:02 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:29:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050217103835.02701d60@mail.alltel.net> References: <1f1.35985dfb.2f45f19f@aol.com> <33286.165.206.180.118.1108648867.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050217103835.02701d60@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <36833.165.206.180.118.1108668542.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Probably true, but then I'm not as good as you so don't do things as well....... although we did get a lot of compliments on the cards and graphics. > > What I've found over the years is that business cards made on a computer > look like------well, they look like they are made on a computer. I can get > 1,000 business cards printed professionally for under $30.00---and they > DON'T look like some kid made them on a computer! > Dave > PS, Add up all your expenses (paper, ink, etc.) and your time and I'll bet > I've got a better deal--and a hell of a lot better looking card! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ABuisse at aol.com Thu Feb 17 11:41:23 2005 From: ABuisse at aol.com (ABuisse at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:41:23 EST Subject: [SEL] headless fairbanks and jack junior Message-ID: <1f1.35a1811f.2f464d63@aol.com> Hello Can anyone tell me what color a headless fairbanks should be? For Jack Junior that I'm restoring I need a mixer would someone know what type of mixer is required and a source on finding an ignitor. Thanks Aime From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Feb 17 11:46:21 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:46:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: OT Re: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <1e5.35e91ac5.2f4649ce@aol.com> References: <1e5.35e91ac5.2f4649ce@aol.com> Message-ID: <36921.165.206.180.118.1108669581.squirrel@antique-engines.com> I used a $800 dollar inkjet printer on high/photo resolution. (thankfully sold it with the store - it was big) Scanned images at 1200 dpi so I could tweak with no loss. You can get very nice card stock, even glossy stock. Each sheet took about 3 minutes to print. Lexmark if I recall some models used to have a special chemical they use that "fixes" inkjet ink as it prints for better resolution and longevity. Canon photo printers are even better with smaller ink droplets, looks better than laser for some uses. > Avery.com has templates for their 10-up cards, template #8371. > General tips: > For photos use coated stock. > Print a test card before going too far; the great looking large card on > the > screen may look bad and even be illegible when printed out. > Your printer should be in good condition. (mine hasn't worked all that > well > lately and quality has slipped) > Don't use too many, or "artsy" type styles; makes the card hard to read. > If you carry them in your wallet, they will smear. Try coating as > suggested > on another post. > > Paul, > Former Printer (Started when I was 11 with real type) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nick at holden1.net Thu Feb 17 11:53:25 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:53:25 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Message-ID: <4214F635.000003.03480@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> http://albums.photo.epson com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4284455&a=31644863&f=com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009275&a=31643848 f= Hi at last i think i have got it i hope that this link will work so you can see the Fairbanks Morse 1 1/2 Hp with the spoked flywheels that i am working on to get ready for this year nick From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Feb 17 12:48:05 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:48:05 EST Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Message-ID: <1a4.31dd6604.2f465d05@aol.com> Nick, Nice looking engine! I tried to paste the web address and it did not work. Took a guess and found it was missing a period(.) between epson and com Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From George_Best at adp.com Thu Feb 17 13:00:30 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:00:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] headless fairbanks and jack junior Message-ID: The Jack Jr could be either red or green. I have one that was built in 1909 (have the exact date for it) and it was red. Still had the original red pain on when I got it. Unfortunately, that was a long time ago and back then we thought you needed to repaint everything rather than preserving original paint. Not much of a mixer. I can take pictures for you if needed, plus have a parts sheet from Fairbanks Morse for the engine. George in Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > ABuisse at aol.com > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:41 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] headless fairbanks and jack junior > > Hello > > Can anyone tell me what color a headless fairbanks should be? > For Jack Junior that I'm restoring I need a mixer would > someone know what type of mixer is required and a source on > finding an ignitor. > > Thanks > Aime > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Feb 17 13:17:16 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:17:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <36833.165.206.180.118.1108668542.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <1f1.35985dfb.2f45f19f@aol.com> <33286.165.206.180.118.1108648867.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050217103835.02701d60@mail.alltel.net> <36833.165.206.180.118.1108668542.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:29:02 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >Probably true, but then I'm not as good as you so don't do things as >well....... although we did get a lot of compliments on the cards and >graphics. > > >> >> What I've found over the years is that business cards made on a computer >> look like------well, they look like they are made on a computer. I can get >> 1,000 business cards printed professionally for under $30.00---and they >> DON'T look like some kid made them on a computer! >> Dave >> PS, Add up all your expenses (paper, ink, etc.) and your time and I'll bet >> I've got a better deal--and a hell of a lot better looking card! I think I'd agree with Dave here..... :-)) While we did our own setting and layout in Pagemaker, we sent the file on CD to our local printer who made the plate up and printed off a 1000 for about ?17.50 plus tax. We included a nice coloured graphic of a Ruston & Hornsby horizontal on the card, and we made it from a decent bit of material, semi-gloss card which is 0.015" thick. I think Dave commented on the thickness of the card when I gave him one at Portland last year (read into that what you may!) The cards are 3.75" X 2.375" in size and 3-colour. Pagemaker is a typesetting/publishing programme that used to be owned by Aldus, but they got bought out by Adobe some years ago. It is a very good programme and worth locating a copy if you do club newsletters and that sort of thing. The output files are handled by most publishing houses. Would be happy to help folks out if they need any input on 'how to'. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From curt at imc-group.com Thu Feb 17 13:36:07 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:36:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #1 Message-ID: <42150E47.8020809@imc-group.com> A while back Rick S. asked about documenting the process of making a pattern. Currently I'm working on putting a few pages together and, time permitting, I'm get 'em all up on my web site in the next few weeks. This first page is a Stickney part and is part of a group of parts unique to fuel pumper Stickneys. A lot of Stickeys were gravity fed, but a few had this complicated arrangement to get the fuel head up high enough so that it would then gravity feed to the mixer. A site gage sat high at the back of the engine allowing the operator to observe fuel flow in a glass site gage. This glass needed protection and a cast iron protective cage was used. Here is the process of making the pattern and the core box to define the OD shape and inside shape of this protective cage. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/SiteGageCage/Thumbnails.html Hope this is what you had in mind Rick..... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Feb 17 13:52:28 2005 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:52:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder In-Reply-To: <009301c51484$da050d90$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050218084453.00b1c660@mail.ncable.com.au> Hi Dave (and everyone else) Mate I just very recently bought one of these engines. Mine is not quite complete but does have the original exhaust pipe and water tank brackets, fuel tank and carby (which has been repaird) and is mounted on a reasonable trolley. Has a lucas SR1 magi and the engine runs. Cost me $500 ozzie. That would be about 175 pound for you and at a guess about $350US dollars for our American friends. So the wash up of all this is Stiff titties for Reg as his poor old letter box has just dropped in price bigger than any wall street crash we have ever heard of! Russ At 12:08 AM 17/02/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Passed on from the UK engine list. >Very nice but way over my price range. >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69826&item=6511821299&rd=1 >Dave Croft >Warrington >England >http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 17 14:26:52 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:26:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: <36748.165.206.180.118.1108667489.squirrel@antique-engines. com> References: <200502171658.j1HGwNEM077466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <36748.165.206.180.118.1108667489.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050217172440.0de43350@mail.alltel.net> >been working with >management on documentation and computer logs and forensics and they are >pulling "the race card" on us and threatening law suite. Hi Bill, That's a hell of a thing for them to do just because you don't like black people! Dave From AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Thu Feb 17 14:27:50 2005 From: AntiqueEngineB at aol.com (AntiqueEngineB at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:27:50 EST Subject: [SEL] Business Cards Message-ID: <1ac.323d9db5.2f467466@aol.com> i SURE HOPE YOU GET THIS PROBLEM WITH BUSINESS CARDS AND OLD CARS DONE SO WHEN I SEE I'VE GOT MAIL IT MIGHT JUST BE SOMEBODY WITH SOMETHING ABOUT OLD ENGINES OR RELATED PROBLEMS THANK YOU From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 17 14:53:50 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:53:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <00d101c5150f$4514a200$6e408304@clinton> References: <1f1.35985dfb.2f45f19f@aol.com> <33286.165.206.180.118.1108648867.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050217103835.02701d60@mail.alltel.net> <00d101c5150f$4514a200$6e408304@clinton> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050217172740.0de0b488@mail.alltel.net> At 11:39 AM 2/17/2005, you wrote: >dave >hummm, I dont know, I have been printing mine for a few years now and my looks >just like a professional done them, no added charges for special colors, >adding >photos, etc. >I use a program called Buisness Card Designer Plus 2000 >I have been very satisfioed with the results, what I really like about >doing my >own cards is I do not have to do so many at a time, I can print up >whatever amount >I want and if I decide to change something I can do so in 5 minutes and print >different cards and not have to use up a 1000, etc >Clint Hi Curt, I would have a problem making my own cards on my computer for a number of reasons. Several of them are: 1.) I don't spell everything properly or use English properly sometimes. (Do you have the same problem sometimes?) 2.) Sometimes I forget to use CAPS where they are necessary. (Do you ever do the same?) 3.) I tend to run everything (sentences etc.) together sometimes. (Ever done that?) Dave PS, Also, since I'm not having to hide from anyone I don't have to change anything very often. From George_Best at adp.com Thu Feb 17 15:04:57 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:04:57 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards Message-ID: Having a bad day? I'd rather read engine postings too, but it works both ways. If you'd like to read engine postings, you should be doing something to create engine postings. Post a topic and get a engine related thread going. Tell us about yourself. What engines do you have? Got an engine on your business card? ;-) What engines are you taking to shows this year? George in Oregon ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > AntiqueEngineB at aol.com > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:28 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Business Cards > > i SURE HOPE YOU GET THIS PROBLEM WITH BUSINESS CARDS AND OLD > CARS DONE SO WHEN I SEE I'VE GOT MAIL IT MIGHT JUST BE > SOMEBODY WITH SOMETHING ABOUT OLD ENGINES OR RELATED > PROBLEMS THANK YOU _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mmco at cox-internet.com Thu Feb 17 15:39:02 2005 From: mmco at cox-internet.com (mmco) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:39:02 -0600 Subject: Fw: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse From Nick Message-ID: <005801c51549$dc57e1b0$e8a7e244@boixbxwlvpt1qt> These are the photos that Nick Holden from the UK has been trying to let the list members see . Hope you don`t mind the help NICK. Bo Hinch http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009275&a=31643848&f= ---- Original Message ----- From: "nick" To: Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Feb 17 16:26:20 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:26:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <1ac.323d9db5.2f467466@aol.com> References: <1ac.323d9db5.2f467466@aol.com> Message-ID: <4215362C.3010502@earthlink.net> Hi anonymous, The least you could do is sign your name when you yell at us. I left the list for a while because of all the off topic stuff, but I missed it. We get some great off topic threads going. Start an engine thread and we WILL jump in. Jeff Allen AntiqueEngineB at aol.com wrote: >i SURE HOPE YOU GET THIS PROBLEM WITH BUSINESS CARDS AND OLD CARS DONE SO >WHEN I SEE I'VE GOT MAIL IT MIGHT JUST BE SOMEBODY WITH SOMETHING ABOUT OLD >ENGINES OR RELATED PROBLEMS THANK YOU >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From prepair at easynet.co.uk Thu Feb 17 15:03:03 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (prepair at easynet.co.uk) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 23:03:03 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <1ac.323d9db5.2f467466@aol.com> References: <1ac.323d9db5.2f467466@aol.com> Message-ID: <1108681383.421522a70b68a@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Quoting AntiqueEngineB at aol.com: > i SURE HOPE YOU GET THIS PROBLEM WITH BUSINESS CARDS AND OLD CARS DONE SO > WHEN I SEE I'VE GOT MAIL IT MIGHT JUST BE SOMEBODY WITH SOMETHING ABOUT OLD > ENGINES OR RELATED PROBLEMS THANK YOU I should go and see someone about that sticky old keyboard, looks like you need some expert attention there... Peter -- Peter Forbes prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk --------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Feb 17 16:52:38 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:52:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards References: <1ac.323d9db5.2f467466@aol.com> Message-ID: Dear antiqueengineb; You must not have read my initial post. This is in regards to old engines as whenever I talk to the ole timers and collectors, they alway want my business (generic) card. HAVE A NICE DAY!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Business Cards > i SURE HOPE YOU GET THIS PROBLEM WITH BUSINESS CARDS AND OLD CARS DONE > SO > WHEN I SEE I'VE GOT MAIL IT MIGHT JUST BE SOMEBODY WITH SOMETHING ABOUT > OLD > ENGINES OR RELATED PROBLEMS THANK YOU > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Thu Feb 17 17:08:23 2005 From: AntiqueEngineB at aol.com (AntiqueEngineB at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:08:23 EST Subject: [SEL] Business Cards Message-ID: <1ed.35dfefd7.2f469a07@aol.com> Bad days come on this time of year.I have a 3 hp IHC vertical tank cooled that i have had for several years. I have started repairing and trying tofind parts for. Iwould like original to replace and its hard to find. I still need a water pump &water pump eccentric&water pump eccentric strap& cooling tank. Its still a long ways from being running. I go to shows in Ohio,Indiana,& several in Michiganlooking for parts .I allso have a 11/2 hp IHC m and a 3 hp IHC m besides the gas engines i have asmall vertical steam engine about the same size as the 3 hp IHC vertical. I live near MIS racetrack in Michigan I enjoy reading about old iron and every thing that goes with it THANKS BOB From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 17 17:01:34 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:01:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] MYSTERY ENGINE Message-ID: <001901c51555$6522a560$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> http://members.shaw.ca/pruiter/sverre.jpg Anybody bells rung ? babbited crank , bronze rod , all sae fasteners NSU carb from '06 with a welded on manifold , so probly not original . frame clamp halves on forend of case n head screams - motor bicycle - but who's moto ? I put a Dayton globe on my biz cards and aint found one yet , maybe if i put a IHC LB on there I will . From brianne at ultratune.com.au Thu Feb 17 17:14:18 2005 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:14:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Thanks Message-ID: <00d101c51557$2cf6ff90$65c4dccb@pcuser> Hi Guys Many thanks for all the info related to making wooden pulleys etc. Brian Taylor Hervey Bay Historical Museum 13 Zephyr St..Scarness Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Feb 17 17:13:08 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:13:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #1 & F-M pump References: <42150E47.8020809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: EXACTLY what Cork and I were looking fer. Thank you pard! Funny how things happen as yesterday afternoon Cork found a water pump at the city gold mine and wanted me there when they opened. Well I forgot the camera and after loading up the somewhat broken ...aaarrrghh, damn magnet operators..F-M pump, we headed for the Pattern Shop cafe just to see what was inside. Come to find out this was the actual pattern shop for Caird Engineering..very kewl building and lots of patterns on the inside walls. Next time I won't forget the camera!! Corky asked if I knew anything about F-M pumps and I advised him to look at google. Sure enuf, Mr. Barr has a picture of it. Thanks for the picture:: http://community.webshots.com/photo/276385437/276386135gMkvkF Very kewl pump and we had lots of fun dismantling it this afternoon. Just need the two push-pull rods. Thanks again Curt, will forward to Spudhead RickinMt. PS: You too Steve!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:36 PM Subject: [SEL] Patterns #1 > A while back Rick S. asked about documenting the process of making a > pattern. Currently I'm working on putting a few pages together and, time > permitting, I'm get 'em all up on my web site in the next few weeks. > This first page is a Stickney part and is part of a group of parts > unique to fuel pumper Stickneys. A lot of Stickeys were gravity fed, but > a few had this complicated arrangement to get the fuel head up high > enough so that it would then gravity feed to the mixer. A site gage sat > high at the back of the engine allowing the operator to observe fuel > flow in a glass site gage. This glass needed protection and a cast iron > protective cage was used. Here is the process of making the pattern and > the core box to define the OD shape and inside shape of this protective > cage. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/SiteGageCage/Thumbnails.html > Hope this is what you had in mind Rick..... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Feb 17 17:23:27 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:23:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards References: <1e5.35e91ac5.2f4649ce@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks gang for the great advise!! Dave, I never thot of the bible for a B&W picture..'preciate it. Would love to go with the Strobel engine, but a horizontal HC would probably be the best. Sweet 16 would be great and maybe Wendel will have it in his updated version. Take care ya'll Rick From jdohagan at comcast.net Thu Feb 17 17:35:45 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:35:45 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <1ed.35dfefd7.2f469a07@aol.com> Message-ID: <200502180135.j1I1ZoYK074711@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Bob, The early ones didn't have a pump. They were cooled by convection. Does yours have the bracket for the pump? I have a couple that do not have the bracket and never had a pump. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato,Ca. Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:08 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Business Cards Bad days come on this time of year.I have a 3 hp IHC vertical tank cooled that i have had for several years. I have started repairing and trying tofind parts for. Iwould like original to replace and its hard to find. I still need a water pump &water pump eccentric&water pump eccentric strap& cooling tank. Its still a long ways from being running. I go to shows in Ohio,Indiana,& several in Michiganlooking for parts .I allso have a 11/2 hp IHC m and a 3 hp IHC m besides the gas engines i have asmall vertical steam engine about the same size as the 3 hp IHC vertical. I live near MIS racetrack in Michigan I enjoy reading about old iron and every thing that goes with it THANKS BOB _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldengin at udata.com Thu Feb 17 17:38:09 2005 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:38:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] oil wicking OT? In-Reply-To: References: <1ac.323d9db5.2f467466@aol.com> Message-ID: <42154701.40200@udata.com> Gday Has anyone here ever hear of the old time oil wicking? I thinks I read this one time about taking used oil and wicking off the good left in the oil, but this is all I seem to remember. I talked with Johnny Walker and John Beam about this but neither one had much to say on the subject.. How do you wick oil, up down and with what? -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 17 17:42:07 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:42:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Charlie --good report! Message-ID: <007c01c5155b$103408e0$230110ac@PAUL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" To: Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:54 PM Subject: Charlie --good report! > Hello , > Charlie called about an hour ago. Said he had a real good day. Had been > seen by Doctors, Case worker, and therapist so that took some of his > time. Has walked quite a bit.--can see the new bridge from waiting room > that goes into the Big Dig. Appetite much better--especially 4AM wants > Clementines and grapes! > > No therapy started as yet. Hope they get going tomorrow with the weekend > coming up. Happy he has made such good progress ! Answer to prayers. > C's sister, > Lois > From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Feb 17 17:58:45 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:58:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050217172440.0de43350@mail.alltel.net> References: <200502171658.j1HGwNEM077466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <36748.165.206.180.118.1108667489.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050217172440.0de43350@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: >> been working with >> management on documentation and computer logs and forensics and they >> are >> pulling "the race card" on us and threatening law suite. > > Hi Bill, That's a hell of a thing for them to do just because you > don't like black people! > Dave I figured it was NASCAR fans playing cards on the job. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jbcast at charter.net Thu Feb 17 17:59:40 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 1:59:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Transport- FL to MA Message-ID: <3rr4tf$i96msf@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> I have a cylinder I sleeved that needs a ride to Swansea, MA. I'm heading to the Florida Flywheelers show, anyone from that area heading to Florida? Thanks, J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From ABuisse at aol.com Thu Feb 17 18:05:52 2005 From: ABuisse at aol.com (ABuisse at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:05:52 EST Subject: [SEL] headless fairbanks and jack junior Message-ID: Thanks for the info George. Yes I would like a picture of the mixer. Aime From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 17 18:08:08 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:08:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] oil wicking OT? In-Reply-To: <42154701.40200@udata.com> References: <1ac.323d9db5.2f467466@aol.com> <42154701.40200@udata.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050217210405.0de74f30@mail.alltel.net> At 08:38 PM 2/17/2005, you wrote: >Gday > Has anyone here ever hear of the old time oil wicking? I thinks I read > this one time about taking used oil and wicking off the good left in the > oil, but this is all I seem to remember. I talked with Johnny Walker and > John Beam about this but neither one had much to say on the > subject.. How do you wick oil, up down and with what? >C-ya > > Leroy Clark Hi Leroy, Drop a length of rope in a bucket of oil. Pull one end out and put it in a can below the bucket of oil into which you have dropped the rope. After 4 days clean the oil off the floor (if the can is not bigger than the bucket.) Dave From MaytagTwin at aol.com Thu Feb 17 18:13:51 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:13:51 EST Subject: [SEL] oil wicking OT? Message-ID: Hi Leroy, When I was but a lad in high school, my math teacher showed me his setup for reclaiming used motor oil. He was wicking it up and over the top of a bucket using kerosene lamp wick. He had a little chute he had built to keep it from running down the outside of the bucket. It dripped into another container and the wicked oil did look clearer than the oil remaining in the bucket. The process was very slow. I would suggest you go for something like the toilet paper filter system so you can process more oil more quickly. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missoui, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 17 18:19:18 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:19:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050218084453.00b1c660@mail.ncable.com.au> References: <009301c51484$da050d90$8c9f0952@no1> <5.2.0.9.2.20050218084453.00b1c660@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050217211747.0deb4958@mail.alltel.net> >So the wash up of all this is Stiff titties for Reg...... >Russ Hi Russ, Is it getting cold in OZ, or what? Dave From rwenig at telus.net Thu Feb 17 18:21:47 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:21:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks In-Reply-To: <4214F635.000003.03480@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> References: <4214F635.000003.03480@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <4215513B.3050902@telus.net> Hello Nick, Thanks for posting the pictures. It is different than any Z engines I've seen before. I don't recall seeing one with the exhaust on the right side before. What is the white object just up from the exhaust pipe? Rupert nick wrote: > http://albums.photo.epson > com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4284455&a=31644863&f=com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009275&a=31643848 > f= > > > > > > Hi at last i think i have got it i hope that this link will work > > so you can see the Fairbanks Morse 1 1/2 Hp with the spoked > > flywheels that i am working on to get ready for this year > > nick > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Thu Feb 17 18:16:00 2005 From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:16:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Transport- FL to MA In-Reply-To: <3rr4tf$i96msf@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050217210819.00b16100@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> At 01:59 AM 2/18/2005 +0000, you wrote: >I have a cylinder I sleeved that needs a ride to Swansea, MA. I'm heading >to the Florida Flywheelers show, anyone from that area heading to Florida? >Thanks, >J.B. Castagnos >Belle Rose, LA I will be in the Orlando area on Saturday. I am going to try REALLY hard to get out of work a little early next week to make it down a day early to go to Flywheelers on Friday. I could get it as far north as Ohio?? As for Florida I will be at Zolfo Springs the next Wed evening or Thursday morning, March 2 - 3 . Anyone else from the list going to be around? _ Steve Steve Sewell Albany, Ohio USA sewell at atis.net sewell at ohio.edu From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 17 18:42:33 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:42:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Transport- FL to MA In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050217210819.00b16100@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> References: <3rr4tf$i96msf@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20050217210819.00b16100@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050217213634.0ded9ae8@mail.alltel.net> At 09:16 PM 2/17/2005, you wrote: >At 01:59 AM 2/18/2005 +0000, you wrote: >>I have a cylinder I sleeved that needs a ride to Swansea, MA. I'm heading >>to the Florida Flywheelers show, anyone from that area heading to Florida? >>Thanks, >>J.B. Castagnos >I will be in the Orlando area on Saturday. I am going to try REALLY hard >to get out of work a little early next week to make it down a day early to >go to Flywheelers on Friday. I could get it as far north as Ohio?? >As for Florida I will be at Zolfo Springs the next Wed evening or Thursday >morning, March 2 - 3 . Anyone else from the list going to be around? >_ Steve Hi JB and Steve, I will arrive at Zolfo on the 2nd. I'll be there (in #6 near the office) with my 15 HP IHC until the 6th. I'll have a bit of room in the back of my truck and could get the cylinder as far north as my place in PA if it will fit. Dave PS, JB, How big is the cylinder? PPS, Steve, I have an extra bed at Zolfo if you need it. From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Feb 17 18:43:15 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:43:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: References: <200502171658.j1HGwNEM077466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <36748.165.206.180.118.1108667489.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050217172440.0de43350@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <42155643.8070407@earthlink.net> NASCAR fans playing cards on the job? Are you nuts? I was on the puter checking the results of todays races when the boss walked in on me. Sure is glad he's a fan too. Sorry for the bad speling and gramer Dave. I'll try and do beter om my term paper. Jeff Allen John Culp wrote: >>> been working with >>> management on documentation and computer logs and forensics and they >>> are >>> pulling "the race card" on us and threatening law suite. >> >> >> Hi Bill, That's a hell of a thing for them to do just because you >> don't like black people! >> Dave > > > I figured it was NASCAR fans playing cards on the job. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Thu Feb 17 18:58:01 2005 From: AntiqueEngineB at aol.com (AntiqueEngineB at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:58:01 EST Subject: [SEL] Business Cards Message-ID: <1a5.31550e1b.2f46b3b9@aol.com> No it does not have a bracket. I bought it from an old cider mill and i though it did not have one because it had plenty of water from other sorces. my engine is an 1909. I have only seen 1 at the Portland Ind show. I have some old water pumps that i might hook up to cool the engine andhave working From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Thu Feb 17 19:12:06 2005 From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:12:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Transport- FL to MA In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050217213634.0ded9ae8@mail.alltel.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050217210819.00b16100@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> <3rr4tf$i96msf@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20050217210819.00b16100@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050217220819.00bc2200@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> > >PPS, Steve, I have an extra bed at Zolfo if you need it. Dave : That would be great!! Contact me off line. Are you sure Bambi and Nitro will not mind // are up to it????? - Steve Steve Sewell Albany, Ohio USA sewell at atis.net sewell at ohio.edu From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Feb 17 21:50:03 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:50:03 +0800 Subject: [SEL] MYSTERY ENGINE References: <001901c51555$6522a560$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <002f01c5157d$b5bee8d0$a0b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> I would not get all upset about it ........i am in a like situation all they left on my engine were the bloody name plate rivets. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL" ; ".ORG" Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:01 AM Subject: [SEL] MYSTERY ENGINE > http://members.shaw.ca/pruiter/sverre.jpg > > Anybody bells rung ? babbited crank , bronze rod , all sae fasteners > NSU carb from '06 with a welded on manifold , so probly not original . > frame clamp halves on forend of case n head screams - motor bicycle - but > who's moto ? > > > I put a Dayton globe on my biz cards and aint found one yet , maybe if i > put a > IHC LB on there I will . > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Fri Feb 18 02:12:29 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:12:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Airbags OT Message-ID: <000c01c515a2$5acd0cc0$eb3354d2@cam> Hi All Has anyone on the list used Firestone airbags on their Utes ( Pickups ) and if so how good is the product. Thanks in advance. Cam Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford NSW Australia From jbcast at charter.net Fri Feb 18 05:35:18 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:35:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Transport- FL to MA Message-ID: <3rr04b$iaqsvl@mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net> Steve & Dave R., thanks for th offers, we'll be in FL 25-26. It'll go UPS, I'll crate it and ship it. J.B. From curt at imc-group.com Fri Feb 18 06:23:14 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:23:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <200502180135.j1I1ZoYK074711@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502180135.j1I1ZoYK074711@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <4215FA52.5090202@imc-group.com> Hi Jim, Bob Would you by chance have a picture of the tank cooled vertical IHC Famous? The only verticals I've ever seen are screen cooled. A round inverted cone shaped screen that sits on a short tank is used for cooling. There is a pump used on these because the screen cooled tank is mounted at skid level. I've seen several tank cooled horizontals, but I'd enjoy seeing a tank cooled vertical.... Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Jim O'Hagan wrote: >Hi Bob, The early ones didn't have a pump. They were cooled by convection. >Does yours have the bracket for the pump? I have a couple that do not have >the bracket and never had a pump. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato,Ca. > >Jim O'Hagan >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > From AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Fri Feb 18 07:06:22 2005 From: AntiqueEngineB at aol.com (AntiqueEngineB at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:06:22 EST Subject: [SEL] Business Cards Message-ID: <105.5ae78030.2f475e6e@aol.com> Curt my vertical is a screen tank i refer the other type as hopper cooled . If you look on page246 of Wendels book ther is a picture of a vertical hopper cooled. I may be wrong how i discribe the engine .sorry. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Feb 18 07:18:36 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:18:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #1 References: <42150E47.8020809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: You are "Da Man", Curt. Fantastic work. I wonder if Rick would consider documenting the casting process? Ass u m ing he'll do the work. Thanks again! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:36 PM Subject: [SEL] Patterns #1 > A while back Rick S. asked about documenting the process of making a > pattern. Currently I'm working on putting a few pages together and, time > permitting, I'm get 'em all up on my web site in the next few weeks. > This first page is a Stickney part and is part of a group of parts > unique to fuel pumper Stickneys. A lot of Stickeys were gravity fed, but > a few had this complicated arrangement to get the fuel head up high > enough so that it would then gravity feed to the mixer. A site gage sat > high at the back of the engine allowing the operator to observe fuel > flow in a glass site gage. This glass needed protection and a cast iron > protective cage was used. Here is the process of making the pattern and > the core box to define the OD shape and inside shape of this protective > cage. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/SiteGageCage/Thumbnails.html > Hope this is what you had in mind Rick..... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Feb 18 05:48:31 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:48:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - new toy (will be stationary much of the time.......) In-Reply-To: <42155643.8070407@earthlink.net> References: <200502171658.j1HGwNEM077466@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <36748.165.206.180.118.1108667489.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050217172440.0de43350@mail.alltel.net> <42155643.8070407@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050218084754.0def5da8@mail.alltel.net> > Sorry for the bad speling and gramer Dave. I'll try and do beter om my > term paper. >Jeff Allen ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!! Good luck with your cards! Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 18 10:14:13 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:14:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <1ed.35dfefd7.2f469a07@aol.com> References: <1ed.35dfefd7.2f469a07@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob, Do you attend the Findlay Ohio show in August; if so where do you usually set up? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 AntiqueEngineB at aol.com wrote: > I go to shows in Ohio,Indiana,& > several in Michiganlooking for parts . From curt at imc-group.com Fri Feb 18 10:37:50 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:37:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pattern #2 Message-ID: <421635FE.7070806@imc-group.com> More on patterns.... This is a pattern "on board". Most foundries prefer on board patterns as opposed to loose because it is easier on them. As talent has left the foundry business, workers with less and less skills can produce with these easy patterns. This simple clevis on a Stickney fuel pump was made from dowel rod pieces and glued together. Due to saw kerf width I just made two identical patterns and sawed them in half to one side. Once sanded smooth, this left two full halves to mount on board. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/RodClevis/Thumbnails.html Hope you enjoy. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From oldengin at udata.com Fri Feb 18 13:13:21 2005 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:13:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: References: <1ed.35dfefd7.2f469a07@aol.com> Message-ID: <42165A71.50200@udata.com> Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Bob, > >Do you attend the Findlay Ohio show in August; if so where do you usually >set up? > >See ya, Arnie > > > I have gone to this show a few times and when ever I go I set up next to the river. This way I can fish, partake in some beverage, and play engins all at the same time.... Is life any better than that? PS I have the whole river to fill next year and I need some help! -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Feb 17 15:44:26 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:44:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Stuart Little Wonder References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050218084453.00b1c660@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <000401c51602$ec07b180$350d1bd3@reg> Aw! But!!! :-( Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > So the wash up of all this is Stiff titties for Reg as his poor old letter > box has just dropped in price bigger than any wall street crash we have > ever heard of! > Russ From AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Fri Feb 18 14:07:28 2005 From: AntiqueEngineB at aol.com (AntiqueEngineB at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:07:28 EST Subject: [SEL] Business Cards Message-ID: <1c3.23958b59.2f47c120@aol.com> My engine is not ready to show yet so ijust go to check for parts.I retired january of 2004 and started going to more shows and the wife and i were haveing a great time and the last of june she had an anurisom and passed away. So its hard to get started again . But i plan on getting there this year let me know how tofind you and i,ll look you up BOB From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 18 14:26:36 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:26:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL In-Reply-To: <42165A71.50200@udata.com> References: <1ed.35dfefd7.2f469a07@aol.com> <42165A71.50200@udata.com> Message-ID: Hi Leroy, As you know, I regard this one as one of the most enjoyable shows that I attend each year. I think once the 2005 Show Directory is in everyone's hands (March?), we should post the show dates and a nice description of all of the "amenities" at the show. For example, the free Friday night steamed corn on the cob and cantelope feast! YUM! That's livin' high on the hog in the riverside low rent district! 8-))) Then with that info out there, maybe try and get a LOT of the SEL folks to plan on attending the show. As you've said, it's a great "tuneup" for Baraboo & Portland. I think that would be a hoot!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Leroy C. wrote: > I have gone to this show a few times and when ever I go I set up next to > the river. This way I can fish, partake in some beverage, and play > engins all at the same time.... Is life any better than that? > PS I have the whole river to fill next year and I need some help! From diesel at easynet.co.uk Fri Feb 18 14:27:13 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 22:27:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <1c3.23958b59.2f47c120@aol.com> References: <1c3.23958b59.2f47c120@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:07:28 EST, you wrote: >My engine is not ready to show yet so ijust go to check for parts.I retired >january of 2004 and started going to more shows and the wife and i were >haveing a great time and the last of june she had an anurisom and passed away. So >its hard to get started again . But i plan on getting there this year let me >know how tofind you and i,ll look you up > >BOB Sorry to hear of your loss, Bob, hope that you can get back to enjoying life amongst the hardware soon. Try and get to Portland, Indiana for the big show in August, it is a great show and well worth the time to visit. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri Feb 18 14:49:47 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:49:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050218224947.7765.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Arnie I had a 2005 show directory in my hands on Tuesday...The Sandwich Engine club gets a box full...I guess the big orders get filled first. I am still waiting for my 2 to come in the mail...IfI had know, I would have waited and just gotten them from the club... Thee book is bigger than last year. I am going to have to try to make Findlay again...The only problem is first work and secondly, a small local show is the same weekend. It is on my return to list... Steve --- Arnie Fero wrote: Hi Leroy, As you know, I regard this one as one of the most enjoyable shows that I attend each year. I think once the 2005 Show Directory is in everyone's hands (March?), we should post the show dates and a nice description of all of the "amenities" at the show. For example, the free Friday night steamed corn on the cob and cantelope feast! YUM! That's livin' high on the hog in the riverside low rent district! 8-))) Then with that info out there, maybe try and get a LOT of the SEL folks to plan on attending the show. As you've said, it's a great "tuneup" for Baraboo & Portland. I think that would be a hoot!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 18 15:25:37 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:25:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL In-Reply-To: <20050218224947.7765.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050218224947.7765.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, Hey, sounds like I better give Dave a call and see if the Fort Allen shipment arrived!! BTW, speaking of the Sandwich club, is 2005 a big Sandwich event somewhere? See ya, Arnie PS - If we do a "gathering" y'all need to be there. 8-)) On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Steve Barr wrote: > I had a 2005 show directory in my hands on Tuesday...The Sandwich Engine > club gets a box full...I guess the big orders get filled first. I am > still waiting for my 2 to come in the mail...IfI had know, I would have > waited and just gotten them from the club... Thee book is bigger than > last year. > > I am going to have to try to make Findlay again...The only problem is > first work and secondly, a small local show is the same weekend. It is on > my return to list... From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri Feb 18 16:45:36 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:45:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050219004536.11523.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Arnie 2006 should be the big year for Sandwich - It will celebrate the 150th Anniversary of Sandwich Manufacturing and the 35th for the club. This year the feature is Ford Tractors and Jacob Haish Built Enignes (includes Great Western, Appleton, Early Rock Island). I have a lot of work to do on the Club web site still. I need to get some better pictures of the different flavors of Sandwich engines on one page. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/ Steve --- Arnie Fero wrote: Hi Steve, Hey, sounds like I better give Dave a call and see if the Fort Allen shipment arrived!! BTW, speaking of the Sandwich club, is 2005 a big Sandwich event somewhere? See ya, Arnie PS - If we do a "gathering" y'all need to be there. 8-)) From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri Feb 18 17:37:09 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:37:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards References: <1c3.23958b59.2f47c120@aol.com> Message-ID: <009201c51623$8898aa20$e8f5f504@x8h7l9> Hello Bob, I lost my wife last April. Other than a relationship with my maker, my shop time is my best time. It helps me thru the adjustments. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Business Cards > My engine is not ready to show yet so ijust go to check for parts.I retired > january of 2004 and started going to more shows and the wife and i were > haveing a great time and the last of june she had an anurisom and passed away. So > its hard to get started again . But i plan on getting there this year let me > know how tofind you and i,ll look you up > > BOB > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rexhinz at chorus.net Fri Feb 18 18:00:32 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:00:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL References: <20050219004536.11523.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003201c51626$cefaabf0$4186a5d8@mycomputer> Hey how many SEL members plan to make the Baraboo show this year ? I'm looking forward meeting new members and maybe Curt will give us a bigger hunk of land , I really enjoyed seeing some of you last year , I hope to have my Economy E up and running if I ever get it out of Nebraska. Later Rex Hinz Baraboo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL > Arnie > > 2006 should be the big year for Sandwich - It will celebrate the 150th > Anniversary of Sandwich Manufacturing and the 35th for the club. > > This year the feature is Ford Tractors and Jacob Haish Built Enignes > (includes Great Western, Appleton, Early Rock Island). > > I have a lot of work to do on the Club web site still. I need to get some > better pictures of the different flavors of Sandwich engines on one page. > > Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/ > > Steve > --- Arnie Fero wrote: > > Hi Steve, > > Hey, sounds like I better give Dave a call and see if the Fort Allen > shipment arrived!! > > BTW, speaking of the Sandwich club, is 2005 a big Sandwich event > somewhere? > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - If we do a "gathering" y'all need to be there. 8-)) > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nick at holden1.net Fri Feb 18 09:06:57 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:06:57 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks References: <4215513B.3050902@telus.net> Message-ID: <421620B1.000001.03456@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Rupert the white object you ask about is i think just exhaust joint paste as it should be at an angle blowing down at the ground instead of straight out the side nick -------Original Message------- From: Rupert Wenig Date: 02/18/05 02:39:19 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Hello Nick, Thanks for posting the pictures. It is different than any Z engines I've seen before. I don't recall seeing one with the exhaust on the right side before. What is the white object just up from the exhaust pipe? Rupert nick wrote: > http://albums.photo.epson > com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4284455&a=31644863&f=com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009275&a=31643848 > f= > > > > > > Hi at last i think i have got it i hope that this link will work > > so you can see the Fairbanks Morse 1 1/2 Hp with the spoked > > flywheels that i am working on to get ready for this year > > nick > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Fri Feb 18 18:08:17 2005 From: AntiqueEngineB at aol.com (AntiqueEngineB at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:08:17 EST Subject: [SEL] Business Cards Message-ID: <1c8.23bd1c6c.2f47f991@aol.com> I know what you mean. My kids and the old iron that iwork on keeps me going .I don't have heat in my new pole barn yet . So soon as it gets a little warmer outside i can start putingthe engine back together. May have it done in time for portland i hope From jdohagan at comcast.net Fri Feb 18 18:08:48 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:08:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <4215FA52.5090202@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200502190208.j1J28sJN058295@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Curt, I think there are at least four versions, maybe more. I've seen air cooled , hopper cooled, convection tank cooled and pump screen cooled. Both of mine are early convection tank cooled style without pumps. One was a water pump'er that used the pumped water to cool it. Wish I had the jack and walking beam. There arn't any provisions for a pump. I'd take pictures, but there's nothing to show you. Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 6:23 AM To: SEL Subject: Re: [SEL] Business Cards Hi Jim, Bob Would you by chance have a picture of the tank cooled vertical IHC Famous? The only verticals I've ever seen are screen cooled. A round inverted cone shaped screen that sits on a short tank is used for cooling. There is a pump used on these because the screen cooled tank is mounted at skid level. I've seen several tank cooled horizontals, but I'd enjoy seeing a tank cooled vertical.... Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Jim O'Hagan wrote: >Hi Bob, The early ones didn't have a pump. They were cooled by convection. >Does yours have the bracket for the pump? I have a couple that do not have >the bracket and never had a pump. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato,Ca. > >Jim O'Hagan >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Fri Feb 18 18:11:38 2005 From: AntiqueEngineB at aol.com (AntiqueEngineB at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:11:38 EST Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL Message-ID: <9.3e1b21e7.2f47fa5a@aol.com> I don't want to sound doumb but i've heard of baraboo but where is it located From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri Feb 18 18:30:51 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:30:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL In-Reply-To: <9.3e1b21e7.2f47fa5a@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050219023051.34697.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> Baraboo is in Wisconsin. ~1 north hour of Madison (just south of the Dells) http://www.badgersteamandgas.com/ --- AntiqueEngineB at aol.com wrote: I don't want to sound doumb but i've heard of baraboo but where is it located From AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Fri Feb 18 19:47:42 2005 From: AntiqueEngineB at aol.com (AntiqueEngineB at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 22:47:42 EST Subject: [SEL] Business Cards Message-ID: <1eb.3518934a.2f4810de@aol.com> What you are calling screeened cooled is what mine is but the manual i have calls it a vertical tank cooled gasoline engine.I have had this engine for about 42 years and never had time to get it running.Ther never was a handhole cover bracket it was a regularhand hole.The cider mill where i got this engine was falling down and i never saw how it was cooled.I just plan on puting on a water pump From prepair at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 19 00:31:13 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 08:31:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <1c8.23bd1c6c.2f47f991@aol.com> References: <1c8.23bd1c6c.2f47f991@aol.com> Message-ID: <37ud11hj22gijngr5clprd0pq9g62a38fg@4ax.com> On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:08:17 EST, you wrote: >I know what you mean. My kids and the old iron that iwork on keeps me going >.I don't have heat in my new pole barn yet . So soon as it gets a little >warmer outside i can start putingthe engine back together. May have it done in >time for portland i hope Bob: Could you try and include a bit of the email/post you are replying to in your own replies? It helps us all to understand where you are in relation to the previous messages on the lists. Portland is a truly great show, we fly over from the UK to go, this will be out third year. There are also guys from Europe and Australia that make the trip. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Feb 18 18:35:45 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:35:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL In-Reply-To: <003201c51626$cefaabf0$4186a5d8@mycomputer> References: <20050219004536.11523.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> <003201c51626$cefaabf0$4186a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050218213506.0df168f8@mail.alltel.net> I bees dar boss! Dave At 09:00 PM 2/18/2005, you wrote: >Hey how many SEL members plan to make the Baraboo show this year ? I'm >looking forward meeting new members and maybe Curt will give us a bigger >hunk of land , I really enjoyed seeing some of you last year , I hope to >have my Economy E up and running if I ever get it out of Nebraska. > >Later >Rex Hinz >Baraboo From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Feb 19 02:54:43 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:54:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL Message-ID: <021920051054.5487.42171AF30003DF830000156F21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Rex, Will be helping layout all the gas engine areas the weekend before and plan on capturing the same spot back in the timber. Until our group can completely fill in that area the club will not give us more turf yet. Let me know how many engines you plan to bring in and we will make the necessary room. Curt Andree > Hey how many SEL members plan to make the Baraboo show this year ? I'm > looking forward meeting new members and maybe Curt will give us a bigger > hunk of land , I really enjoyed seeing some of you last year , I hope to > have my Economy E up and running if I ever get it out of Nebraska. > > Later > Rex Hinz > Baraboo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Barr" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL > > > > Arnie > > > > 2006 should be the big year for Sandwich - It will celebrate the 150th > > Anniversary of Sandwich Manufacturing and the 35th for the club. > > > > This year the feature is Ford Tractors and Jacob Haish Built Enignes > > (includes Great Western, Appleton, Early Rock Island). > > > > I have a lot of work to do on the Club web site still. I need to get some > > better pictures of the different flavors of Sandwich engines on one page. > > > > Take a look at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/ > > > > Steve > > --- Arnie Fero wrote: > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > Hey, sounds like I better give Dave a call and see if the Fort Allen > > shipment arrived!! > > > > BTW, speaking of the Sandwich club, is 2005 a big Sandwich event > > somewhere? > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > PS - If we do a "gathering" y'all need to be there. 8-)) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Sat Feb 19 03:30:32 2005 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 22:30:32 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Business Cards Message-ID: <20050219113032.7759.qmail@web41128.mail.yahoo.com> Say Dave Silly me. When I read the PS line of your post I thought ....hmmm...not a bad idea, calling in to all the churches in your area slippin' your engine card in between the pages so each Sunday when some old timer is flipping the pages for the next hymn, out pops Dave...and he finds a Dayton Globe. Not bad at all... Then I gets to thinkin, blimey that's low, but hey, well, this IS Dave (Rotweiller) we're talking about... ;-) Graham in Oz PS Ya shoulda put "bible" in quotes, like i just done, see? Message: 4 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:28:42 -0500 From: Dave Rotigel Subject: Re: [SEL] Business Cards Just take a picture (side view) of the engine that you want Dave PS, Lots of them in the bible will work just fine. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Feb 19 04:13:38 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:13:38 +0800 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post Message-ID: <000501c5167c$75a328b0$95b63dca@ogborneuah38i3> Does any one know of a site with the design of a good rear tool post? thanks................... Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Sat Feb 19 04:30:12 2005 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:30:12 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Pattern #2 Message-ID: <20050219123012.7879.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Curt Thanks from me too for those great casting pattern pictures, be looking at'em again. I have been making quite a few patterns lately, with quite a bit of success. Glad to see your using the metal lathe for wood turning as I do. Also, no reference in my casting book here of a "follow board". With my patterns I use wood, tube, anything with body filler, screws and plaster and I fet them to the engine as if it was an actual part. I then bog up the holes etc. The castings turn out OK cast "loose", with a finish that matches the style of the rest of the engine parts. My foundry blokes don't seem to have a problem with "loose" casting. Sometimes I get the gate runner (cutoff) in a place where I don't expect so I try to specify it where I can, but always assume the moulder knows better. Parting lines rarely turn up right on the centreline except if the part (pattern) is flat on one side. I might give the follow board a go next time and see what happens. Thanks again Graham in Oz Message: 7 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:37:50 -0500 From: Curt Subject: [SEL] Pattern #2 More on patterns.... This is a pattern "on board". Most foundries prefer on board patterns as opposed to loose because it is easier on them. As talent has left Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 19 04:40:49 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:40:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Business Cards In-Reply-To: <20050219113032.7759.qmail@web41128.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050219113032.7759.qmail@web41128.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050219073844.0dff7c00@mail.alltel.net> Hi Graham, There is a difference between the bible and THE BIBLE. I'm glad that you have finally figured that out! Dave At 06:30 AM 2/19/2005, you wrote: >Say Dave > >Silly me. When I read the PS line of your post I >thought ....hmmm...not a bad idea, calling in to all >the churches in your area slippin' your engine card in >between the pages so each Sunday when some old timer >is flipping the pages for the next hymn, out pops >Dave...and he finds a Dayton Globe. Not bad at all... >Then I gets to thinkin, blimey that's low, but hey, >well, this IS Dave (Rotweiller) we're talking about... >;-) > >Graham in Oz > >PS Ya shoulda put "bible" in quotes, like i just done, >see? > > >Message: 4 >Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:28:42 -0500 >From: Dave Rotigel >Subject: Re: [SEL] Business Cards > >Just take a picture (side view) of the engine that you >want > Dave >PS, Lots of them in the bible will work just fine. > > > >Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. >http://au.movies.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From prepair at easynet.co.uk Sat Feb 19 04:44:12 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:44:12 +0000 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post In-Reply-To: <000501c5167c$75a328b0$95b63dca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000501c5167c$75a328b0$95b63dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:13:38 +0800, you wrote: >Does any one know of a site with the design of a good rear tool post? >thanks................... >Peter Ogborne To fit ? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Feb 19 06:45:38 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:45:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Pattern #2 References: <421635FE.7070806@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Thanks!! Corky and I have learned a lot. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 11:37 AM Subject: [SEL] Pattern #2 > More on patterns.... > This is a pattern "on board". Most foundries prefer on board patterns as > opposed to loose because it is easier on them. As talent has left the > foundry business, workers with less and less skills can produce with > these easy patterns. > This simple clevis on a Stickney fuel pump was made from dowel rod > pieces and glued together. Due to saw kerf width I just made two > identical patterns and sawed them in half to one side. Once sanded > smooth, this left two full halves to mount on board. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/RodClevis/Thumbnails.html > > Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From oldengin at udata.com Sat Feb 19 06:53:43 2005 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:53:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Business Cards In-Reply-To: <37ud11hj22gijngr5clprd0pq9g62a38fg@4ax.com> References: <1c8.23bd1c6c.2f47f991@aol.com> <37ud11hj22gijngr5clprd0pq9g62a38fg@4ax.com> Message-ID: <421752F7.9020406@udata.com> >Portland is a truly great show, we fly over from the UK to go, this >will be out third year. There are also guys from Europe and Australia >that make the trip. > > > > REG. READ this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 19 07:15:00 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:15:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Baraboo - Gathering of the SEL In-Reply-To: <021920051054.5487.42171AF30003DF830000156F21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <021920051054.5487.42171AF30003DF830000156F21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt & Rex, I'll be there!!!! I'll have two engines, don't know at this point which ones. I'm even trying to talk that French mob into "doing Baraboo" as a prelude to Portland. I could use some help there... 8-))) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Rex, > Will be helping layout all the gas engine areas the weekend before and plan on > capturing the same spot back in the timber. Until our group can completely > fill in that area the club will not give us more turf yet. Let me know how > many engines you plan to bring in and we will make the necessary room. > Curt Andree > > > Hey how many SEL members plan to make the Baraboo show this year ? I'm > > looking forward meeting new members and maybe Curt will give us a bigger > > hunk of land , I really enjoyed seeing some of you last year , I hope to > > have my Economy E up and running if I ever get it out of Nebraska. > > > > Later > > Rex Hinz > > Baraboo From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Feb 19 07:31:16 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:31:16 -0800 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post Message-ID: <20050219.073116.1312.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Gday Peter. I have one here that I have never used, you are welcome to it. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:13:38 +0800 "peter ogborne" writes: > Does any one know of a site with the design of a good rear tool > post? > thanks................... > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au From rexhinz at chorus.net Sat Feb 19 07:34:08 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:34:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL References: <9.3e1b21e7.2f47fa5a@aol.com> Message-ID: <001001c51698$76212190$0a86a5d8@mycomputer> Baraboo Wisconsin is around 45 miles north west of Madison Wisconsin , right on Hy 12 , population right around 9.200 Home of The Circus World Museum , The Badger Gas And Steam Show is the I beleive now the biggest in Wisconsin and well worth the visit, thanks for asking Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL > I don't want to sound doumb but i've heard of baraboo but where is it located > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rexhinz at chorus.net Sat Feb 19 07:48:53 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:48:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Baraboo - Gathering of the SEL References: <021920051054.5487.42171AF30003DF830000156F21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <002c01c5169a$85d5e790$0a86a5d8@mycomputer> Hey Arnie ; looking forward to your visit again , and thanks for that green can of oil you gave me last time , I put it in the Maytag 92 and it quit smoking shortly after, I hope we can get more of the list up here , I wish I could make Portland this year as it sure sounds like a very good show, but will have to see what the wifey has to say Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 9:15 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Baraboo - Gathering of the SEL > Hi Curt & Rex, > > I'll be there!!!! I'll have two engines, don't know at this point which > ones. I'm even trying to talk that French mob into "doing Baraboo" as a > prelude to Portland. I could use some help there... 8-))) > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > > > Rex, > > Will be helping layout all the gas engine areas the weekend before and plan on > > capturing the same spot back in the timber. Until our group can completely > > fill in that area the club will not give us more turf yet. Let me know how > > many engines you plan to bring in and we will make the necessary room. > > Curt Andree > > > > > Hey how many SEL members plan to make the Baraboo show this year ? I'm > > > looking forward meeting new members and maybe Curt will give us a bigger > > > hunk of land , I really enjoyed seeing some of you last year , I hope to > > > have my Economy E up and running if I ever get it out of Nebraska. > > > > > > Later > > > Rex Hinz > > > Baraboo > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 19 08:25:34 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:25:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Baraboo - Gathering of the SEL (and Portland) In-Reply-To: <002c01c5169a$85d5e790$0a86a5d8@mycomputer> References: <021920051054.5487.42171AF30003DF830000156F21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <002c01c5169a$85d5e790$0a86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: Hi Rex, > looking forward to your visit again , and thanks for that green can of > oil you gave me last time , I put it in the Maytag 92 and it quit smoking > shortly after, That was the "Special Maytag Mix" at 50,000 to 1 wasn't it? 8-)) > I hope we can get more of the list up here , We're working on it.... > I wish I could > make Portland this year as it sure sounds like a very good show, but will > have to see what the wifey has to say Hell, that's the beauty of Portland!! Tons of cool stuff for wifey to do that isn't engine related and when she gets tired, there's a whole bunch of chairs and cool SEL folks sitting under a BIG canopy solving the world's problems. Man, it just doesn't get better than that!! Oh, did I mention that it's also the biggest engine show in the world? 8-)) Be there!! August 24-28, 2005. When that grandchild comes up to and asks "Daddy, how was Portland 2005?" you DO NOT want to hang your head and whimper, "I don't know (sob), I wasn't there..." BTW, this year is the 40th Annual Show. It's also Dolly's 40th, but don't tell her I told you so. 8->> See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sat Feb 19 09:09:31 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:09:31 -0800 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post References: <20050219.073116.1312.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <006001c516a5$c90fadb0$d7fe3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Ron, What folder? Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] rear tool post > Gday Peter. I have one here that I have never used, you are welcome to > it. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:13:38 +0800 "peter ogborne" > writes: > > Does any one know of a site with the design of a good rear tool > > post? > > thanks................... > > Peter Ogborne > > Little Grove ,Albany > > West Australia > > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > > jopeter at omninet.net.au > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Sat Feb 19 09:08:30 2005 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:08:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL References: <9.3e1b21e7.2f47fa5a@aol.com> <001001c51698$76212190$0a86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <001d01c516a5$a33fa7c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> how large is this event at baraboo? i live in south texas, and it would be a bit of a trip for me.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL > Baraboo Wisconsin is around 45 miles north west of Madison Wisconsin , > right on Hy 12 , population right around 9.200 Home of The Circus World > Museum , The Badger Gas And Steam Show is the I beleive now the biggest in > Wisconsin and well worth the visit, thanks for asking > > Rex Hinz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 8:11 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Findlay - Gathering of the SEL > > > > I don't want to sound doumb but i've heard of baraboo but where is it > located > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 19 09:26:36 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:26:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Baraboo/now Portland In-Reply-To: <002c01c5169a$85d5e790$0a86a5d8@mycomputer> References: <021920051054.5487.42171AF30003DF830000156F21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <002c01c5169a$85d5e790$0a86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050219122155.0e042f08@mail.alltel.net> > I wish I could >make Portland this year as it sure sounds like a very good show, but will >have to see what the wifey has to say >Rex Hi Rex, DON'T MISS PORTLAND! Someone once said "They are still making wives, but they are not making old iron anymore!" Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 19 10:16:57 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 13:16:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Baraboo / Portland In-Reply-To: <001d01c516a5$a33fa7c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> References: <9.3e1b21e7.2f47fa5a@aol.com> <001001c51698$76212190$0a86a5d8@mycomputer> <001d01c516a5$a33fa7c0$7081a018@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, It would be a helluva trip, one you would not forget!! You might talk to Steve & Mel Webre. They live in Louisiana and last year made the pilgrimage north to Baraboo then did Portland. I think they're planning on it again this year. You can get an idea about the size of the Baraboo show here... http://www.badgersteamandgas.com/ Just click on "Photos" and pick the year you want to look at. LOADS of pics on there. Then check out Portland. http://www.adamswells.com/~tristate/ Although I think the "first person" stories of Portland are more interesting. http://www.oldengine.org/members/Dolly/index.htm So plan to do Baraboo August 19-21 and then drive south to Portland and do that August 22-28. It just doesn't get any better!! See ya, Arnie On Sat, 19 Feb 2005, Tom Dunlap wrote: > how large is this event at baraboo? i live in south texas, and it would be > a bit of a trip for me.. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 19 10:09:37 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:09:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? Message-ID: <000801c516ae$2f00cf70$230110ac@PAUL> Hey Gang, what is the best software removal program available? I click on one and it may find 3 or 4, I click on another and it may find 10 to 12 and I clicked on Spy Killer 2005 and it found 45 but it cost $39.95 to get it to clean them out. I don't mind paying for a good program but don't know which one to buy......looking for suggestions. Paul From nick at holden1.net Sat Feb 19 10:19:40 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:19:40 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Re: Baraboo/now Portland References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050219122155.0e042f08@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4217833C.000001.02924@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi can you tell me is this Portland Oregon Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) -------Original Message------- From: Dave Rotigel Date: 02/19/05 17:39:40 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Re: Baraboo/now Portland > I wish I could >make Portland this year as it sure sounds like a very good show, but will >have to see what the wifey has to say >Rex Hi Rex, DON'T MISS PORTLAND! Someone once said "They are still making wives, but they are not making old iron anymore!" Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Feb 19 10:32:17 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:32:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? In-Reply-To: <000801c516ae$2f00cf70$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <20050219183217.60505.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Paul I use a combination of Adaware and Spybot Search and Destroy. Both are free for personal use. Both are good in their own right, but using the two will pretty well makes sure that all nastys are deleted. Not sure offhand what the web addresses are, but if you type in the relevant names, you will get plenty of hits. Regards Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea --- Paul Maples wrote: > Hey Gang, what is the best software removal program available? I click on one and it may find 3 > or 4, I click on another and it may find 10 to 12 and I clicked on Spy Killer 2005 and it found > 45 but it cost $39.95 to get it to clean them out. I don't mind paying for a good program but > don't know which one to buy......looking for suggestions. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From bill at antique-engines.com Sat Feb 19 10:52:38 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:52:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? In-Reply-To: <000801c516ae$2f00cf70$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <200502191852.j1JIqcmC066251@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Have you tried the latest version of Spybot S&D? Last I saw it was in beta. It works pretty well. Microsoft has a freebie and I read recently when it's out of beta it's supposed to remain free, too. Hate to tell ya but NO anti-spyware I've tested to date will get them all - and I don't see that happening really soon, either. But SB S&D has been over-all the highest I've tried to date. Sure, there's bound to be something it misses, but its percentages are good. The Spyware folks have more motivation and resources than virus creators and are working as hard as ever to get to your computer. There's big, no HUGE dollars at stake. In fact one type is so terrible that many have given up attempting to keep up with it and about the only surefire way to remove it is cwshredder. It's so nasty I've seen it pull tricks with an operating system I didn't even know were possible. It appears neither did some of the spyware remover people............ Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 12:10 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? Hey Gang, what is the best software removal program available? I click on one and it may find 3 or 4, I click on another and it may find 10 to 12 and I clicked on Spy Killer 2005 and it found 45 but it cost $39.95 to get it to clean them out. I don't mind paying for a good program but don't know which one to buy......looking for suggestions. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 19 11:04:06 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:04:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Portland In-Reply-To: <4217833C.000001.02924@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050219122155.0e042f08@mail.alltel.net> <4217833C.000001.02924@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: Hi Nick, > Hi can you tell me is this Portland Oregon > Nick Holden > Banbury > Oxfordshire (UK) Nope, much closer to you; Portland, Indiana. http://www.adamswells.com/~tristate/ I'd recommend these web pages as providing the best info for you. The gal that wrote them speaks your native language. 8-)) http://www.oldengine.org/members/Dolly/index.htm You might also contact Peter Forbes, Philip Thornton-Evison, Craig Morrison, or Neville Beaty. They've all made the pilgrimage to Mecca and survived to tell the tales. 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - These links will give you a feel for a Yank's perspective on YOUR rally scene. 8-)) http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/yank1.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/yank1.htm Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 19 10:58:34 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:58:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? References: <20050219183217.60505.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001a01c516b5$06046490$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks David, I do use both of those and ran both of them this morning but then saw Spy Killer 2005 which had gotten a good review and did a scan with it and found 45 more that spybot and Adware did not find so I was just wondering which one was best. Thanks for the comeback. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Everett" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? > Hi Paul > > I use a combination of Adaware and Spybot Search and Destroy. Both are > free for personal use. > Both are good in their own right, but using the two will pretty well makes > sure that all nastys > are deleted. > From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 19 11:18:42 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:18:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post In-Reply-To: <20050219.073116.1312.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20050219.073116.1312.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050219141716.0e075c70@mail.alltel.net> I think you guys had better think LONG and HARD before you say anything more about this thread. This is a "family oriented" List after all! Dave At 10:31 AM 2/19/2005, you wrote: >Gday Peter. I have one here that I have never used, you are welcome to >it. > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > >On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:13:38 +0800 "peter ogborne" > writes: > > Does any one know of a site with the design of a good rear tool > > post? > > thanks................... > > Peter Ogborne > > Little Grove ,Albany > > West Australia > > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > > jopeter at omninet.net.au >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Feb 19 11:27:56 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:27:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post Message-ID: <20050219.112756.1396.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Jim. The red one. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:09:31 -0800 "Jim and Diane" writes: > Hi Ron, > > What folder? > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 19 12:28:36 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 15:28:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Decals/Atis Auction Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050219151926.0e01c158@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, I've sent out all the SEL Decals for which I've received money. Rich Strobel's just went out this afternoon. Everyone else who has sent me money for them should have received them by now--if you sent me money and you didn't receive them let me know OFF LIST! I have collected $96.00 for the decals. That money will be sent to Spencer on Monday and he will put it toward the ATIS Charity Auction that was concluded last month. Thanks to all of you who participated! Dave From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Feb 19 14:07:24 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 15:07:24 -0700 Subject: OT[SEL] Spyware Removal Software? In-Reply-To: <200502191852.j1JIqcmC066251@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502191852.j1JIqcmC066251@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <4217B89C.1050609@earthlink.net> I use Addaware and Spybot, but nothing gets em all. Symantic will catch some but not clean them. Has to be done manually. For some up to date reading on this go to: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12707653~mode=flat Think I'll just hit the KVM switch and use the Mac for the internet. Jeff Bill Dickerson wrote: >Have you tried the latest version of Spybot S&D? Last I saw it was in beta. >It works pretty well. >Microsoft has a freebie and I read recently when it's out of beta it's >supposed to remain free, too. > >Hate to tell ya but NO anti-spyware I've tested to date will get them all - >and I don't see that happening really soon, either. But SB S&D has been >over-all the highest I've tried to date. Sure, there's bound to be something >it misses, but its percentages are good. > >The Spyware folks have more motivation and resources than virus creators and >are working as hard as ever to get to your computer. There's big, no HUGE >dollars at stake. > >In fact one type is so terrible that many have given up attempting to keep >up with it and about the only surefire way to remove it is cwshredder. It's >so nasty I've seen it pull tricks with an operating system I didn't even >know were possible. It appears neither did some of the spyware remover >people............ > > >Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples >Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 12:10 PM >To: Stationary Engine List >Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? > >Hey Gang, what is the best software removal program available? I click on >one and it may find 3 or 4, I click on another and it may find 10 to 12 and >I clicked on Spy Killer 2005 and it found 45 but it cost $39.95 to get it to >clean them out. I don't mind paying for a good program but don't know which >one to buy......looking for suggestions. > >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 18 10:14:27 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:14:27 -0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Keep track of what you have sent & received. Message-ID: <000501c515e5$b00b45b0$8c9f0952@no1> I have been tipped off about a free Beta Google program that lets you do a Google search in your own computer for things you have lost. http://desktop.google.com/ Its like a normal Google but only on your own information. Its a small free download (447 KB) & so far seems to work well! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sat Feb 19 15:11:06 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:11:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? In-Reply-To: <000801c516ae$2f00cf70$230110ac@PAUL> References: <000801c516ae$2f00cf70$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <4217C78A.4050505@wightman.ca> Hi Paul, I use Spy Bot search and destroy as well as Adaware. You can find them both at http://www.majorgeeks.com Seem to work well for me. Duncan Paul Maples wrote: -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 19 14:24:20 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:24:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? References: <200502191852.j1JIqcmC066251@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001a01c516d1$c519b760$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks Bill. Yes I have downloaded Spybot S&D today so I assume I got the latest version. I just got an e-mail message from SBC Yahoo DSL that they now have a free anti-spyware program available free to it's members, just ran it and it found 35 more that Spybot and Adware had missed. I will use Spybot, Adware and SBC Yahoo Anti Spy, this should be good enough for me. Thanks for the comeback. By the way is cwshredder a spyware program? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 12:52 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? > Have you tried the latest version of Spybot S&D? Last I saw it was in > beta. > It works pretty well. > Microsoft has a freebie and I read recently when it's out of beta it's > supposed to remain free, too. > > Hate to tell ya but NO anti-spyware I've tested to date will get them > all - > and I don't see that happening really soon, either. But SB S&D has been > From sleis at mwt.net Sat Feb 19 16:57:56 2005 From: sleis at mwt.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:57:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] 2005 show directory Message-ID: <002001c516e7$4e047aa0$0555becf@computer> Hi List Just thought I would let you know I received my 2005 show directory book in the mail yesterday. :-) Stacy Leis Elroy Wisconsin From ivancou at usachoice.net Sat Feb 19 15:03:41 2005 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:03:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? References: <000801c516ae$2f00cf70$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <000401c516d7$426c4a20$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Paul, you might try CCleaner , its free,super fast , available at www.Majorgeeks.com . Since were talking puters whats the opinion of Firefox browser ? Back to re assembling track sections . Ivan From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Feb 19 15:29:45 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:29:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? In-Reply-To: <000401c516d7$426c4a20$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> References: <000801c516ae$2f00cf70$230110ac@PAUL> <000401c516d7$426c4a20$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Message-ID: <1a860f60b783b8752e545d7faef29c96@chartertn.net> > Since were talking puters whats the opinion of Firefox browser ? My favorite on Windows. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From bill at antique-engines.com Sat Feb 19 15:30:31 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:30:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? In-Reply-To: <000401c516d7$426c4a20$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Message-ID: <200502192330.j1JNUtf6091893@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I use firefox almost exclusively. I have it on this notebook as well as desktop machine. It's faster and more secure and the add-ins you can get for it are awsome! Do a search for add-ins, they are free and add a lot of function. The browser doesn't put a lot of crap in your OS, it's "light-weight". Professional web developers prefer it because it's STANDARDS COMPLIANT and an excellent way to test new web development. IE is NOT standards compliant (go figure) Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ivan Cousins Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 5:04 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? Paul, you might try CCleaner , its free,super fast , available at www.Majorgeeks.com . Since were talking puters whats the opinion of Firefox browser ? Back to re assembling track sections . Ivan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Feb 19 17:16:03 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 01:16:03 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Baraboo - Gathering of the SEL Message-ID: <022020050116.11795.4217E4D2000E224A00002E1321979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hurry up and get on SKYPE and we will do a confrence call......there is strength in numbers...... Curt > Hi Curt & Rex, > > I'll be there!!!! I'll have two engines, don't know at this point which > ones. I'm even trying to talk that French mob into "doing Baraboo" as a > prelude to Portland. I could use some help there... 8-))) > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > > > Rex, > > Will be helping layout all the gas engine areas the weekend before and plan on > > capturing the same spot back in the timber. Until our group can completely > > fill in that area the club will not give us more turf yet. Let me know how > > many engines you plan to bring in and we will make the necessary room. > > Curt Andree > > > > > Hey how many SEL members plan to make the Baraboo show this year ? I'm > > > looking forward meeting new members and maybe Curt will give us a bigger > > > hunk of land , I really enjoyed seeing some of you last year , I hope to > > > have my Economy E up and running if I ever get it out of Nebraska. > > > > > > Later > > > Rex Hinz > > > Baraboo > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From EnginePaul at aol.com Sat Feb 19 18:04:36 2005 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:04:36 EST Subject: [SEL] OT Business cards again Message-ID: <2b.6d3c442b.2f494a34@aol.com> Someone just gave me a card that was printed for free at: www.Vistaprint.com They also have other cards that you can put your own photos on for a fee. I have no connection with this company and have never used them myself, but the card in my hand is pretty good. The price is good too. I consider this semi-engine show appropriate because some would like to exchange address and phone numbers. Paul in San Francisco From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Feb 19 18:55:05 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:55:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Update to tech pages Message-ID: <4217FC09.7050302@earthlink.net> Hi all, Thanks to Rick in Montana for digging deep into Jim's server. He found some info that Bill Tremel put online in 1998. I now have it indexed in the technical page I maintain. There are about 30 new links since I last updated the page. Well worth another look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/allen/techindex.html Once again I will ask all of you to send me links that would fit in. Jim has allowed me to add a non members section for tech links that are not on his server. I will continue to maintain and update this information as time allows. Please inform me of broken links and I will remove them. I check all links when I add them. I don't have time to go back and check them again. My goal is to make this technical index the "go to" place for all that play with old engines. Your continued support is appreciated. For the newbies in this hobby this link is a great read. http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Witte_B_OM.pdf Many of these PDF files are very large, and I would recommend downloading them as opposed to trying to view them. Take care and enjoy!! Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sat Feb 19 21:38:02 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:38:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? In-Reply-To: <000401c516d7$426c4a20$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> References: <000801c516ae$2f00cf70$230110ac@PAUL> <000401c516d7$426c4a20$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Message-ID: <4218223A.9090304@wightman.ca> Hi Ivan, We use Firefox here pretty much exclusively but I tried their e-mail client recently and found it didn't quite meet my needs. We run multiple accounts here and it wasn't quite up to the task. Still using Netscape for mail. Duncan Ivan Cousins wrote: >Paul, you might try CCleaner , its free,super fast , available at >www.Majorgeeks.com . >Since were talking puters whats the opinion of Firefox browser ? > Back to re assembling track sections . >Ivan > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Sat Feb 19 21:23:12 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:23:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Re Airbags OT Message-ID: <007801c5170c$4689a780$613354d2@cam> Thanks to those who answered my emails on the Airbags. Cam Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford NSW Australia From guitronics at comcast.net Sat Feb 19 21:42:05 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:42:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? In-Reply-To: <1a860f60b783b8752e545d7faef29c96@chartertn.net> References: <000801c516ae$2f00cf70$230110ac@PAUL> <000401c516d7$426c4a20$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> <1a860f60b783b8752e545d7faef29c96@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <4218232D.9000101@comcast.net> I love both Mozilla's Firefox and their email program: Thunderbird. The only problem I have is Arnie chewed me out for all the junk at the top of the "Header"....and I've not found a way to get that off there!!!! Thanks, Arnie!!! Hahahahaha John Culp wrote: >> Since were talking puters whats the opinion of Firefox browser ? > > > My favorite on Windows. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Sat Feb 19 05:14:01 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:14:01 +0800 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post In-Reply-To: <000501c5167c$75a328b0$95b63dca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000501c5167c$75a328b0$95b63dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <42173B99.4030003@optusnet.com.au> peter ogborne wrote: > Does any one know of a site with the design of a good rear tool post? > thanks................... > Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the > Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ============== Peter, there have been various designs for rear toolposts in the Model Engineer over the years. I have stopped subscribing, but have many year's editions stacked up. Call me back if you don't find anything else, as the vast majority of lathe attachment articles in the ME are for the Myford, but may be adaptable for you. Jack ============== From prepair at easynet.co.uk Sun Feb 20 02:39:37 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:39:37 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? In-Reply-To: <200502192330.j1JNUtf6091893@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <000401c516d7$426c4a20$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> <200502192330.j1JNUtf6091893@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:30:31 -0600, you wrote: >I use firefox almost exclusively. >I have it on this notebook as well as desktop machine. It's faster and more >secure and the add-ins you can get for it are awsome! Do a search for >add-ins, they are free and add a lot of function. >The browser doesn't put a lot of crap in your OS, it's "light-weight". >Professional web developers prefer it because it's STANDARDS COMPLIANT and >an excellent way to test new web development. IE is NOT standards compliant >(go figure) > >Bill We've been using Opera for some years now, and are pretty happy with it. We did use Firefox while at Tim's in San Jose last year, and downloaded a copy to try, but it seemed lacking in features compared with Opera so it hasn't gone forward from that initial trial. We have it here at work and on the network at home. One of the 'funnies' that I did notice with Opera is that they refuse to have ActiveX as part of the browser for security reasons, so when we got our Gmail invite the other evening, we had to revert to IE to set up the account and use it. Even IE wouldn't work with Gmail until we loaded the very latest updates from Microsnot, and that update is February 2005, not an old one as we run the Windows updates automatically. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Feb 20 03:49:28 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:49:28 +0800 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! Message-ID: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> For those of you with out the imagination of some of the deviates .........what i want to do is make a rear tool post so that i can part off with out the normal stress involved, ie'' part off ''a term used in turning,ie ''Turning '' ....using a lathe....the tool is upside down .............Christ this is like explaining the rules of Cricket to Americans. Jack Watson has come to the rescue Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Feb 20 03:51:44 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:51:44 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Re Airbags OT References: <007801c5170c$4689a780$613354d2@cam> Message-ID: <003901c51742$92406020$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> Cameron ............I am rather intrigued, are you fitting air bags in a vehicle that does not have them as std or are you replacing same? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Grundy" To: "LISTMAIL" Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:23 PM Subject: [SEL] Re Airbags OT > Thanks to those who answered my emails on the Airbags. Cam > Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford NSW > Australia > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Feb 20 04:15:19 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:15:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <8b2e2576831fce26e4ef68f67dd68da2@chartertn.net> I don't get it, Peter. You want to do something deviant with crickets? Through the post? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From prepair at easynet.co.uk Sun Feb 20 04:28:50 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 12:28:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:49:28 +0800, you wrote: >For those of you with out the imagination of some of the deviates >.........what i want to do is make a rear tool post so that i can part off >with out the normal stress involved, ie'' part off ''a term used in >turning,ie ''Turning '' ....using a lathe....the tool is upside down >.............Christ this is like explaining the rules of Cricket to >Americans. >Jack Watson has come to the rescue >Peter Ogborne Which is why I asked what it was to fit..... Have replied off-list to your direct email. We have four ward Capstan lathes which all have rear toolposts for parting off, the main idea being that they don't lift the headstock shaft when cutting metal as they are on the other side of the job compared with the normal turning tool. We just bought a job lot of ward 2C stuff on ebay from a company that was closing, got two chucks, a lot of collets and more tooling. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From rwenig at telus.net Sat Feb 19 23:06:44 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:06:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Pattern #2 In-Reply-To: <421635FE.7070806@imc-group.com> References: <421635FE.7070806@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42183704.3020208@telus.net> Hello Curt, Nice pages but I'm curious about one thing. Is there any reason why you used whole dowels instead of ready made 1/2 round shapes to make the pattern? Course, maybe you didn't have the 1/2 rounds on hand. :-) Rupert Curt wrote: > More on patterns.... > This is a pattern "on board". Most foundries prefer on board patterns as > opposed to loose because it is easier on them. As talent has left the > foundry business, workers with less and less skills can produce with > these easy patterns. > This simple clevis on a Stickney fuel pump was made from dowel rod > pieces and glued together. Due to saw kerf width I just made two > identical patterns and sawed them in half to one side. Once sanded > smooth, this left two full halves to mount on board. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/RodClevis/Thumbnails.html > > > Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > From falcon at telenet.net Sun Feb 20 05:57:41 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 08:57:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Business cards again References: <2b.6d3c442b.2f494a34@aol.com> Message-ID: <004a01c51754$257455c0$741117d1@net.telenet.net> Only thing I saw on their site was that they don't use any security on their data entry pages. That is not a good thing if you don't want everyone to know that info. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 9:04 PM Subject: [SEL] OT Business cards again > Someone just gave me a card that was printed for free at: > www.Vistaprint.com > They also have other cards that you can put your own photos on for a fee. > > I have no connection with this company and have never used them myself, but > the card in my hand is pretty good. The price is good too. > > I consider this semi-engine show appropriate because some would like to > exchange address and phone numbers. > > Paul in San Francisco > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Feb 20 05:56:02 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 06:56:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Business cards again References: <2b.6d3c442b.2f494a34@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks Paul, I've played around with it some, and it definetly has possiblities Just need a B&W silouetted picture of a stationary HC horizontal with no background. Scanner is broke so the bible is out. Take Care, RickinMt. PS: Am I sending in HTML..sure looks like it?? ----- Original Message ----- From: EnginePaul at aol.com To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: [SEL] OT Business cards again Someone just gave me a card that was printed for free at: www.Vistaprint.com They also have other cards that you can put your own photos on for a fee. I have no connection with this company and have never used them myself, but the card in my hand is pretty good. The price is good too. I consider this semi-engine show appropriate because some would like to exchange address and phone numbers. Paul in San Francisco _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From prepair at easynet.co.uk Sun Feb 20 07:04:09 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:04:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Business cards again In-Reply-To: References: <2b.6d3c442b.2f494a34@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 06:56:02 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks Paul, I've played around with it some, and it definetly has possiblities Just need a B&W silouetted picture of a stationary HC horizontal with no background. Scanner is broke so the bible is out. > >Take Care, >RickinMt. >PS: Am I sending in HTML..sure looks like it?? Rick: It is plain text that is coming through. Haven't got any HC engines in the archives, but there are some engravings of old engines on our website, and I have others that you can look at if you cannot find the one you want. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sun Feb 20 08:05:51 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:05:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question Message-ID: <4218B55F.1000507@wightman.ca> Hi Folks, Sorry about the O.T. question but I don't know how to proceed on this one. We just got a new computer and are running XP. After start up, everything runs fine but after a while, if you are not using the internet, you can't get on the net until you restart the computer. It is like something is timing out. I have compared settings to the old computer but must be missing something. Any ideas would be appreciated. -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From reb at apex.net Sun Feb 20 07:17:09 2005 From: reb at apex.net (REB) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:17:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re Airbags OT References: <007801c5170c$4689a780$613354d2@cam> <003901c51742$92406020$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <004301c5175f$3f5fc4a0$6400a8c0@Dads> I'm not sure what Cameron is doing with the air bags either but I married mine! ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 5:51 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re Airbags OT > Cameron ............I am rather intrigued, are you fitting air bags in a > vehicle that does not have them as std or are you replacing same? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cameron Grundy" > To: "LISTMAIL" > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:23 PM > Subject: [SEL] Re Airbags OT > > >> Thanks to those who answered my emails on the Airbags. Cam >> Cam and Edwina Grundy >> Kariong >> Gosford NSW >> Australia >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sun Feb 20 08:26:16 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:26:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question Message-ID: <4218BA28.70106@wightman.ca> Hi Folks, Sorry about the O.T. question but I don't know how to proceed on this one. We just got a new computer and are running XP. After start up, everything runs fine but after a while, if you are not using the internet, you can't get on the net until you restart the computer. It is like something is timing out. I have compared settings to the old computer but must be missing something. Any ideas would be appreciated. Dunc -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From rexhinz at chorus.net Sun Feb 20 07:53:45 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:53:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Find Message-ID: <001f01c51764$71aa6cd0$5d86a5d8@mycomputer> Hi all; Found another Maytag at an auction just a mile down my road, its a model 92 side exhaust and has never been restored, I out bid everybody carried it to the truck and took it home , the carb was just gunned up , I cleaned the carby put a little gas in and it started right up, it is complete and compression is like new , I think I will leave it as is for the shows as I have a 92 all restored and painted , I also have a model L Briggs that I was told was real rare and that the "L" stands for Lucky to have one, any Briggs collectors out there who may shead some light on the model L ? Thanks Rex From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sun Feb 20 08:24:38 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 11:24:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? References: <20050219183217.60505.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004201c51768$ac70abf0$5ef1a518@SkipBetty> www.download.com will get you there. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Everett" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? > Hi Paul > > I use a combination of Adaware and Spybot Search and Destroy. Both are > free for personal use. > Both are good in their own right, but using the two will pretty well makes > sure that all nastys > are deleted. > > Not sure offhand what the web addresses are, but if you type in the > relevant names, you will get > plenty of hits. > > Regards > > Dave > Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea > > --- Paul Maples wrote: >> Hey Gang, what is the best software removal program available? I click on >> one and it may find 3 >> or 4, I click on another and it may find 10 to 12 and I clicked on Spy >> Killer 2005 and it found >> 45 but it cost $39.95 to get it to clean them out. I don't mind paying >> for a good program but >> don't know which one to buy......looking for suggestions. >> >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005 From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Feb 20 08:33:14 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 11:33:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Find In-Reply-To: <001f01c51764$71aa6cd0$5d86a5d8@mycomputer> References: <001f01c51764$71aa6cd0$5d86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050220113002.0e19bea8@mail.alltel.net> >Hi all; > Found another Maytag at an auction just a mile down my road, its a model >92 side exhaust and has never been restored, I out bid everybody carried it >to the truck and took it home >Rex Hi Rex, You have my sympathy! Your wife is, indeed, some sort of saint to put up with this sort of nonsense! Dave PS, Seriously, I bid on one last week that was complete but it went for more than the $0.69 that it was worth! From rexhinz at chorus.net Sun Feb 20 09:51:41 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 11:51:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Find References: <001f01c51764$71aa6cd0$5d86a5d8@mycomputer> <6.1.2.0.0.20050220113002.0e19bea8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000b01c51774$d7f4b170$2d86a5d8@mycomputer> Dave ; My wife just told me she is looking for a real man , one that collects engines worth more then $0.69 , I was stunned to say the least , I told her about Dave who has Big Engines and things and She was ready to head your way , UNTIL Me got a real Idea , why not put the maytag on her washboard ! now she thinks me Rex is a real cool fellow , she can take the wash to the creek ,kick the maytag and when the jackpump box moves the washboard up and down all she has to do is hold the cloths on it and Presto! NOW Me Rex DA King ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Find > > >Hi all; > > Found another Maytag at an auction just a mile down my road, its a model > >92 side exhaust and has never been restored, I out bid everybody carried it > >to the truck and took it home > >Rex > > Hi Rex, You have my sympathy! Your wife is, indeed, some sort of saint to > put up with this sort of nonsense! > Dave > PS, Seriously, I bid on one last week that was complete but it went for > more than the $0.69 that it was worth! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rholtzer at earthlink.net Sun Feb 20 09:51:56 2005 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:51:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? In-Reply-To: <000801c516ae$2f00cf70$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20050220094840.00c2abb8@mail.earthlink.net> Paul, I use Spybot and Ad-Aware. Both are "freebies" but seem to work well. Ad-Aware is from LavaSoft. I don't have the addresses for them but a search should find them quickly. Both update from time to time. Bob Holtzer At 12:09 PM 2/19/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Hey Gang, what is the best software removal program available? I click on >one and it may find 3 or 4, I click on another and it may find 10 to 12 >and I clicked on Spy Killer 2005 and it found 45 but it cost $39.95 to get >it to clean them out. I don't mind paying for a good program but don't >know which one to buy......looking for suggestions. > >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nick at holden1.net Sun Feb 20 10:10:51 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:10:51 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] portland Message-ID: <4218D2AB.000003.01144@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Thanks Arnie for the Portland info Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) From rholtzer at earthlink.net Sun Feb 20 10:14:47 2005 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:14:47 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question In-Reply-To: <4218BA28.70106@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20050220101331.00bd98d8@mail.earthlink.net> Might be worth querying your modem via Control Panel diagnostics. It should tell you whether or not your modem is OK. Bob Holtzer At 10:26 AM 2/20/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Hi Folks, > >Sorry about the O.T. question but I don't know how to proceed on this one. >We just got a new computer and are running XP. After start up, everything >runs fine but after a while, if you are not using the internet, you can't >get on the net until you restart the computer. It is like something is >timing out. I have compared settings to the old computer but must be >missing something. >Any ideas would be appreciated. > >Dunc > >-- >Duncan Denman >Ayton, Ontario >Canada >Antique Gas Engines & Tractors >Home Page >http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nick at holden1.net Sun Feb 20 10:23:45 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:23:45 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? References: <4.2.2.20050220094840.00c2abb8@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4218D5B1.000001.01568@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> http://www.lavasoftusa.com/ this is the address you need Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) -------Original Message------- From: Robert L. Holtzer Date: 02/20/05 18:12:07 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? Paul, I use Spybot and Ad-Aware. Both are "freebies" but seem to work well. Ad-Aware is from LavaSoft. I don't have the addresses for them but a search should find them quickly. Both update from time to time. Bob Holtzer At 12:09 PM 2/19/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Hey Gang, what is the best software removal program available? I click on >one and it may find 3 or 4, I click on another and it may find 10 to 12 >and I clicked on Spy Killer 2005 and it found 45 but it cost $39.95 to get >it to clean them out. I don't mind paying for a good program but don't >know which one to buy......looking for suggestions. > >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 20 10:29:34 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:29:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question In-Reply-To: <4218BA28.70106@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <20050220182934.83566.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, abiut a year ago, I got an EP and mine seems to somewhat act the same. If it sets running but idle for a while and you then click on the internet connection, it soletimes takes up to a minute for it to come up. Almost acts like it was busy doing something and had to finish before it could bring up the net connection. Sometimes if I double click the second time it seems to hurry it up but then both connections come up. Don't know. Hope you get a good answer. I'd like to also get it fixed. Ron Duncan Denman wrote: Hi Folks, Sorry about the O.T. question but I don't know how to proceed on this one. We just got a new computer and are running XP. After start up, everything runs fine but after a while, if you are not using the internet, you can't get on the net until you restart the computer. It is like something is timing out. I have compared settings to the old computer but must be missing something. Any ideas would be appreciated. Dunc -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. From rholtzer at earthlink.net Sun Feb 20 10:40:25 2005 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:40:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? In-Reply-To: <000401c516d7$426c4a20$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> References: <000801c516ae$2f00cf70$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20050220103642.00c4da58@mail.earthlink.net> Thanks for the suggestion. The program identified 300+ mb of files to be cleaned out! I check with Spybot and Ad-Aware weekly or so. With some fear and trepidation I had Cleaner do its thing! Nothing crashed so far -- always encouraging! These programs all seem to have somewhat different targets to be removed. Very difficult to keep ahead of the unwanted files that come over Internet. Bob Holtzer At 06:03 PM 2/19/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Paul, you might try CCleaner , its free,super fast , available at >www.Majorgeeks.com . >Since were talking puters whats the opinion of Firefox browser ? > Back to re assembling track sections . >Ivan > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 20 10:47:53 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 12:47:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Spyware Recommendations - Thanks Message-ID: <00e701c5177c$b34eda00$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks everyone who responded to my query regarding the best spyware to use. I have settled on SpyBot, Adware, and Yahoo Anti-Spy, this should keep me pretty well cleaned out. Paul From bill at antique-engines.com Sun Feb 20 11:40:12 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:40:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20050220101331.00bd98d8@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200502201940.j1KJeBeE098596@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Check in device manager, modem properties and make sure that it's not set to allow the OS to power the modem down to save energy. Some dummy at Microsoft decided it was ok to power down modems and network cards after a period to save power - yeah, right - how much power can a modem or network card take. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Holtzer Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:15 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question Might be worth querying your modem via Control Panel diagnostics. It should tell you whether or not your modem is OK. Bob Holtzer At 10:26 AM 2/20/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Hi Folks, > >Sorry about the O.T. question but I don't know how to proceed on this one. >We just got a new computer and are running XP. After start up, >everything runs fine but after a while, if you are not using the >internet, you can't get on the net until you restart the computer. It >is like something is timing out. I have compared settings to the old >computer but must be missing something. >Any ideas would be appreciated. > >Dunc > >-- >Duncan Denman >Ayton, Ontario >Canada >Antique Gas Engines & Tractors >Home Page >http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From driggars at earthlink.net Sun Feb 20 12:20:19 2005 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:20:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question References: <200502201940.j1KJeBeE098596@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <03db01c51789$99f11840$80438304@clinton> That is what it sounds like to me also, the power down scheme? Clint > Check in device manager, modem properties and make sure that it's not set to > allow the OS to power the modem down to save energy. > Some dummy at Microsoft decided it was ok to power down modems and network > cards after a period to save power - yeah, right - how much power can a > modem or network card take. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. > Holtzer > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:15 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question > > Might be worth querying your modem via Control Panel diagnostics. It should > tell you whether or not your modem is OK. > > Bob Holtzer > > At 10:26 AM 2/20/2005 -0600, you wrote: > >Hi Folks, > > > >Sorry about the O.T. question but I don't know how to proceed on this one. > >We just got a new computer and are running XP. After start up, > >everything runs fine but after a while, if you are not using the > >internet, you can't get on the net until you restart the computer. It > >is like something is timing out. I have compared settings to the old > >computer but must be missing something. > >Any ideas would be appreciated. > > > >Dunc > > > >-- > >Duncan Denman > >Ayton, Ontario > >Canada > >Antique Gas Engines & Tractors > >Home Page > >http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ivancou at usachoice.net Sun Feb 20 13:24:22 2005 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:24:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Removal Software? References: <000801c516ae$2f00cf70$230110ac@PAUL> <4.2.2.20050220103642.00c4da58@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000401c51792$8cf297a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> It can also ignore good cookies and such by clicking on the options box in the upper right hand corner and selecting what you want to keep . Taking the groups advice I downloaded Firefox ,and what a difference ! Ivan From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 20 14:06:26 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:06:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question In-Reply-To: <03db01c51789$99f11840$80438304@clinton> Message-ID: <20050220220626.91373.qmail@web14127.mail.yahoo.com> Nope, everything is set to never shut down. Ron Clint D wrote: That is what it sounds like to me also, the power down scheme? Clint > Check in device manager, modem properties and make sure that it's not set to > allow the OS to power the modem down to save energy. > Some dummy at Microsoft decided it was ok to power down modems and network > cards after a period to save power - yeah, right - how much power can a > modem or network card take. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. > Holtzer > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:15 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question > > Might be worth querying your modem via Control Panel diagnostics. It should > tell you whether or not your modem is OK. > > Bob Holtzer > > At 10:26 AM 2/20/2005 -0600, you wrote: > >Hi Folks, > > > >Sorry about the O.T. question but I don't know how to proceed on this one. > >We just got a new computer and are running XP. After start up, > >everything runs fine but after a while, if you are not using the > >internet, you can't get on the net until you restart the computer. It > >is like something is timing out. I have compared settings to the old > >computer but must be missing something. > >Any ideas would be appreciated. > > > >Dunc > > > >-- > >Duncan Denman > >Ayton, Ontario > >Canada > >Antique Gas Engines & Tractors > >Home Page > >http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. From mmco at cox-internet.com Sun Feb 20 14:24:51 2005 From: mmco at cox-internet.com (mmco) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:24:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Business cards again In-Reply-To: <2b.6d3c442b.2f494a34@aol.com> References: <2b.6d3c442b.2f494a34@aol.com> Message-ID: <42190E33.3060909@cox-internet.com> Do a goggle search for AVERY business card creator , download it ( its a freebie )and make professional looking cards in just a few minutes . You can do a free download of IRFANVIEW and use it to creat a image of your engine that you want to put on your card with out any trouble . Bo Hinch EnginePaul at aol.com wrote: > Someone just gave me a card that was printed for free at: > www.Vistaprint.com > They also have other cards that you can put your own photos on for a fee. > Paul in San Francisco From brianne at ultratune.com.au Sun Feb 20 14:46:03 2005 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:46:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Spyware Message-ID: <005a01c5179d$f5b82ec0$2a54dccb@pcuser> Hi Guys This is a very interesting site re. spyware and rogue programmes pretending to be spyware removers. http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm The general recommendation is to cover yourself by having more than one. Brian Taylor Hervey Bay Historical Museum 13 Zephyr St..Scarness Web Site: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Feb 20 15:51:48 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 07:51:48 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Re Airbags OT References: <007801c5170c$4689a780$613354d2@cam><003901c51742$92406020$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <004301c5175f$3f5fc4a0$6400a8c0@Dads> Message-ID: <003301c517a7$285e8eb0$a7cf3dca@ogborneuah38i3> I reckon you would not have the "Guts '' to say that to her face !! ----- Original Message ----- From: "REB" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re Airbags OT > I'm not sure what Cameron is doing with the air bags either but I married > mine! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 5:51 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Re Airbags OT > > >> Cameron ............I am rather intrigued, are you fitting air bags in a >> vehicle that does not have them as std or are you replacing same? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cameron Grundy" >> To: "LISTMAIL" >> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:23 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Re Airbags OT >> >> >>> Thanks to those who answered my emails on the Airbags. Cam >>> Cam and Edwina Grundy >>> Kariong >>> Gosford NSW >>> Australia >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Feb 20 15:54:33 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 07:54:33 +0800 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <8b2e2576831fce26e4ef68f67dd68da2@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <003901c517a7$8cffaa70$a7cf3dca@ogborneuah38i3> Hey John ,we will get stamped on by the thought police if we continue in this vein . Cricket ........as as we in Oz would say '' I have bowled some maiden overs ''. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! >I don't get it, Peter. You want to do something deviant with crickets? >Through the post? > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rholtzer at earthlink.net Sun Feb 20 17:37:38 2005 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:37:38 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question In-Reply-To: <200502201940.j1KJeBeE098596@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <4.2.2.20050220101331.00bd98d8@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20050220173119.00c2da78@mail.earthlink.net> Bill, where is this feature found? I don't see it in Device Manager modem or Control Panel modem phone. Is there another modem power management location. I have XP Home. My modem is external -- possibly this location has different power management. Thanks. Bob Holtzer At 01:40 PM 2/20/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Check in device manager, modem properties and make sure that it's not set to >allow the OS to power the modem down to save energy. >Some dummy at Microsoft decided it was ok to power down modems and network >cards after a period to save power - yeah, right - how much power can a >modem or network card take. > >Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. >Holtzer >Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:15 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question > >Might be worth querying your modem via Control Panel diagnostics. It should >tell you whether or not your modem is OK. > >Bob Holtzer > >At 10:26 AM 2/20/2005 -0600, you wrote: > >Hi Folks, > > > >Sorry about the O.T. question but I don't know how to proceed on this one. > >We just got a new computer and are running XP. After start up, > >everything runs fine but after a while, if you are not using the > >internet, you can't get on the net until you restart the computer. It > >is like something is timing out. I have compared settings to the old > >computer but must be missing something. > >Any ideas would be appreciated. > > > >Dunc > > > >-- > >Duncan Denman > >Ayton, Ontario > >Canada > >Antique Gas Engines & Tractors > >Home Page > >http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Feb 20 18:07:21 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:07:21 EST Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question Message-ID: <11.3f77a507.2f4a9c59@aol.com> In a message dated 2/20/2005 5:58:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, rholtzer at earthlink.net writes: Bill, where is this feature found? I don't see it in Device Manager modem or Control Panel modem phone. Is there another modem power management location. I have XP Home. My modem is external -- possibly this location has different power management. Look in the XP Windows "Help and Support" and type in "power management modem". You should get several topics which may help you solve your problem. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From old_iron at msn.com Sun Feb 20 18:13:09 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:13:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20050220173119.00c2da78@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: If you go to "control panel" you should see an icon labeled "power management" it is in there. Peg Pfeiffer >From: "Robert L. Holtzer" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question >Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:37:38 -0800 > >Bill, where is this feature found? I don't see it in Device Manager modem >or Control Panel modem phone. Is there another modem power management >location. I have XP Home. My modem is external -- possibly this location >has different power management. > >Thanks. > >Bob Holtzer > >At 01:40 PM 2/20/2005 -0600, you wrote: >>Check in device manager, modem properties and make sure that it's not set >>to >>allow the OS to power the modem down to save energy. >>Some dummy at Microsoft decided it was ok to power down modems and network >>cards after a period to save power - yeah, right - how much power can a >>modem or network card take. >> >>Bill >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. >>Holtzer >>Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:15 PM >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question >> >>Might be worth querying your modem via Control Panel diagnostics. It >>should >>tell you whether or not your modem is OK. >> >>Bob Holtzer >> >>At 10:26 AM 2/20/2005 -0600, you wrote: >> >Hi Folks, >> > >> >Sorry about the O.T. question but I don't know how to proceed on this >>one. >> >We just got a new computer and are running XP. After start up, >> >everything runs fine but after a while, if you are not using the >> >internet, you can't get on the net until you restart the computer. It >> >is like something is timing out. I have compared settings to the old >> >computer but must be missing something. >> >Any ideas would be appreciated. >> > >> >Dunc >> > >> >-- >> >Duncan Denman >> >Ayton, Ontario >> >Canada >> >Antique Gas Engines & Tractors >> >Home Page >> >http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >SEL mailing list >> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From EnginePaul at aol.com Sun Feb 20 18:33:46 2005 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:33:46 EST Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question Message-ID: Not sure where you are on this but when you get to Power Options (in the Control Panel) make sure the Power Scheme is not "Portable/Laptop" That makes some things work slower and turn off earlier. There is a Kim Komando web site that has lots of helpful stuff. From curt at imc-group.com Mon Feb 21 06:58:53 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:58:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pattern #2 In-Reply-To: <42183704.3020208@telus.net> References: <421635FE.7070806@imc-group.com> <42183704.3020208@telus.net> Message-ID: <4219F72D.6000101@imc-group.com> Rupert, I've never seen these 1/2 round shapes you speak of. Sounds like they could sure save a lot of work! Where do you find these? The three diameters on this small part are .884, .808, and 1.051. They are odd numbers but they account for shrinkage so that when cooled come back to standard British dimensions. I imagine the 1/2 rounds could be cut long and spot glued at the ends, turned to the needed diameter, and the glued area cut off to give perfect halves. Are these 1/2 rounds available in much larger diameters, such as 2 or 3" diameter? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Rupert Wenig wrote: > Hello Curt, > Nice pages but I'm curious about one thing. Is there any reason > why you used whole dowels instead of ready made 1/2 round shapes to > make the pattern? Course, maybe you didn't have the 1/2 rounds on > hand. :-) > > Rupert > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Feb 21 07:11:22 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:11:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: <5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> Message-ID: <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> Peter, > the main idea being that they don't lift the headstock >shaft when cutting metal as they are on the other side of the job >compared with the normal turning tool. > > Peter & Peter, OK I'll bite, how are parting forces different than regular turning forces? Both exert the same tendence to lift the headstock. But is this a problem? I've seen a few of the back parting setups mentioned and just figured it was a time saving thing....eliminating a tool change. You got my curiosity up. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From prepair at easynet.co.uk Mon Feb 21 07:39:39 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:39:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:11:22 -0500, you wrote: >Peter, > >> the main idea being that they don't lift the headstock >>shaft when cutting metal as they are on the other side of the job >>compared with the normal turning tool. >> >> >Peter & Peter, >OK I'll bite, how are parting forces different than regular turning >forces? Both exert the same tendence to lift the headstock. But is this >a problem? I've seen a few of the back parting setups mentioned and just >figured it was a time saving thing....eliminating a tool change. You got >my curiosity up. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC Draw a piece of bar looking from the stailstock end of the lathe, direction of rotation anticlock looking at the end. Draw a tool cutting from the left hand side, the reaction to the cut is to lift the bar vertically? Then do the same on the opposite side of the bar, keeping the rotation the same but with the tool inverted, the reaction is downwards? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From prepair at easynet.co.uk Mon Feb 21 08:10:21 2005 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:10:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6p1k11dr3u01jvv15hug21na16cq6v6jli@4ax.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:11:22 -0500, you wrote: >Peter, > >> the main idea being that they don't lift the headstock >>shaft when cutting metal as they are on the other side of the job >>compared with the normal turning tool. >> >> >Peter & Peter, >OK I'll bite, how are parting forces different than regular turning >forces? Both exert the same tendence to lift the headstock. But is this >a problem? I've seen a few of the back parting setups mentioned and just >figured it was a time saving thing....eliminating a tool change. You got >my curiosity up. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC There's a picture of our Ward 2A tool slide with the slot for the rear toolholder visible but no toolpost fitted: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Ward/Ward7.jpg We just picked up a load of Ward 2C stuff on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3870262613 There's a couple of conventional chucks, one 3-jaw and one 2-jaw which we haven't got at present, plus a box of collets, 2 X 4-way toolposts and a load of tooling. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 08:17:56 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:17:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605022108173bbb1bea@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:39:39 +0000, Prepair Ltd wrote: > On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:11:22 -0500, you wrote: > > >Peter, > > > >> the main idea being that they don't lift the headstock > >>shaft when cutting metal as they are on the other side of the job > >>compared with the normal turning tool. > >> > >> > >Peter & Peter, > >OK I'll bite, how are parting forces different than regular turning > >forces? Both exert the same tendence to lift the headstock. But is this > >a problem? I've seen a few of the back parting setups mentioned and just > >figured it was a time saving thing....eliminating a tool change. You got > >my curiosity up. > >Curt Holland > >Gastonia, NC > > Draw a piece of bar looking from the stailstock end of the lathe, > direction of rotation anticlock looking at the end. > > Draw a tool cutting from the left hand side, the reaction to the cut > is to lift the bar vertically? > > Then do the same on the opposite side of the bar, keeping the rotation > the same but with the tool inverted, the reaction is downwards? > > Peter I think that there are a couple of angled rear toolholders for just that purpose in the stuff we picked up on ebay, I'll have a look and mount one up and take a shot of it. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Feb 21 08:22:46 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:22:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! Message-ID: <410-220052121162246687@coastalnet.com> Peter, I still don't see any advantage to simply changing the direction of the force on a revolving piece since the force is the same regardless. Seems like a follow rest or center rest is the only way to minimize flexing. Is there any other reason for this technique? Ken > Draw a piece of bar looking from the stailstock end of the lathe, > direction of rotation anticlock looking at the end. > > Draw a tool cutting from the left hand side, the reaction to the cut > is to lift the bar vertically? > > Then do the same on the opposite side of the bar, keeping the rotation > the same but with the tool inverted, the reaction is downwards? > > > Peter > From rholtzer at earthlink.net Mon Feb 21 08:27:59 2005 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:27:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question In-Reply-To: <11.3f77a507.2f4a9c59@aol.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20050221082734.00c28a10@mail.earthlink.net> Thanks. Bob H At 09:07 PM 2/20/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >In a message dated 2/20/2005 5:58:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, >rholtzer at earthlink.net writes: > >Bill, where is this feature found? I don't see it in Device Manager modem >or Control Panel modem phone. Is there another modem power management >location. I have XP Home. My modem is external -- possibly this location >has different power management. > > > >Look in the XP Windows "Help and Support" and type in "power management >modem". You should get several topics which may help you solve your >problem. > >Francis Maciel >Santa Maria, CA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Feb 21 08:31:48 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:31:48 EST Subject: [SEL] Re Airbags OT Message-ID: <155.4ac77fae.2f4b66f4@aol.com> A friend of mine installed airbags on his 4 x 4 Ford pickup. He uses them as overload springs to help stabilizes the truck loading when he has his heavy camper placed on the pickup. He regulates the air pressure inside the airbags depending on the load. He said that this set up costed him about $300.00 (USD) and he did the installation himself. When operating the truck without the camper shell, he maintain about 5 psi air pressure. With the camper shell installed, he said that the pickup was very stable when traveling on the highway. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From rholtzer at earthlink.net Mon Feb 21 08:33:44 2005 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:33:44 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.2.20050220173119.00c2da78@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20050221083129.00c28678@mail.earthlink.net> Yes, there is power management information. However, I am unable to find anything specifically allowing or causing a modem to be shut down -- even for portable machines. There is nothing in Help that helps either. Thanks for the response. Bob H At 08:13 PM 2/20/2005 -0600, you wrote: >If you go to "control panel" you should see an icon labeled "power >management" it is in there. > >Peg Pfeiffer > >>From: "Robert L. Holtzer" >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question >>Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:37:38 -0800 >> >>Bill, where is this feature found? I don't see it in Device Manager >>modem or Control Panel modem phone. Is there another modem power >>management location. I have XP Home. My modem is external -- possibly >>this location has different power management. >> >>Thanks. >> >>Bob Holtzer >> >>At 01:40 PM 2/20/2005 -0600, you wrote: >>>Check in device manager, modem properties and make sure that it's not set to >>>allow the OS to power the modem down to save energy. >>>Some dummy at Microsoft decided it was ok to power down modems and network >>>cards after a period to save power - yeah, right - how much power can a >>>modem or network card take. >>> >>>Bill >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. >>>Holtzer >>>Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:15 PM >>>To: The SEL email discussion list >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question >>> >>>Might be worth querying your modem via Control Panel diagnostics. It should >>>tell you whether or not your modem is OK. >>> >>>Bob Holtzer >>> >>>At 10:26 AM 2/20/2005 -0600, you wrote: >>> >Hi Folks, >>> > >>> >Sorry about the O.T. question but I don't know how to proceed on this one. >>> >We just got a new computer and are running XP. After start up, >>> >everything runs fine but after a while, if you are not using the >>> >internet, you can't get on the net until you restart the computer. It >>> >is like something is timing out. I have compared settings to the old >>> >computer but must be missing something. >>> >Any ideas would be appreciated. >>> > >>> >Dunc >>> > >>> >-- >>> >Duncan Denman >>> >Ayton, Ontario >>> >Canada >>> >Antique Gas Engines & Tractors >>> >Home Page >>> >http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch >>> > >>> > >>> >_______________________________________________ >>> >SEL mailing list >>> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Mon Feb 21 08:41:26 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:41:26 -0800 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! Message-ID: Rather than using a rear tool post, couldn't you simply reverse the rotation of the work piece and use the normal tool post with the tool inverted? George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Ken Christison > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:23 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! > > Peter, > > I still don't see any advantage to simply changing the > direction of the force on a revolving piece since the force > is the same regardless. > Seems like a follow rest or center rest is the only way to > minimize flexing. Is there any other reason for this technique? > > Ken From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 08:47:50 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:47:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: <410-220052121162246687@coastalnet.com> References: <410-220052121162246687@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605022108472c48e151@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:22:46 -0500, Ken Christison wrote: > Peter, > > I still don't see any advantage to simply changing the direction of the > force on a revolving piece since the force is the same regardless. > Seems like a follow rest or center rest is the only way to minimize > flexing. Is there any other reason for this technique? > > Ken Hi Ken: The running shaft has its closest tolerances between the bearing and shaft at the bottom, due to the weight of the shaft and the lubrication oil which tends to run above the shaft. Thus any lifting forces will move the shaft up, displacing the oil and changing the position of the shaft in relation to the tool, whereas the other way the shaft is already at its lowest point and there is minimal change. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 08:50:17 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:50:17 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re Airbags OT In-Reply-To: <155.4ac77fae.2f4b66f4@aol.com> References: <155.4ac77fae.2f4b66f4@aol.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050221085076875839@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:31:48 EST, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > A friend of mine installed airbags on his 4 x 4 Ford pickup. He uses them > as overload springs to help stabilizes the truck loading when he has his heavy > camper placed on the pickup. He regulates the air pressure inside the > airbags depending on the load. He said that this set up costed him about $300.00 > (USD) and he did the installation himself. When operating the truck without > the camper shell, he maintain about 5 psi air pressure. With the camper > shell installed, he said that the pickup was very stable when traveling on the > highway. > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA We used to buy in Firestone 'Aeon' rubber buffers to increase load carrying capacity, plus they did pump-up bags as well. You can get shock absorbers that you can pump up for more capacity, we had an estate car that had this feature, and very useful it was too! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Feb 21 08:51:11 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:51:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Find Message-ID: <20050221.115123.1088.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rex, You might try this site on the Briggs "L". http://www.asecc.com Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 21 08:54:03 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:54:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: <410-220052121162246687@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <20050221165403.13528.qmail@web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Ken Where the advantage comes with the rear mounted parting tool is that the cutting forces drive the cross slide down into the lathe bed - a solid base, minimising the tendency for the tool to dig in. Using the parting tool in the conventional toolpost tends to lift the cross slide, making the parting tool less stable - more chance of a dig-in. OK. Make sense? Regards Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea --- Ken Christison wrote: > Peter, > > I still don't see any advantage to simply changing the direction of the > force on a revolving piece since the force is the same regardless. > Seems like a follow rest or center rest is the only way to minimize > flexing. Is there any other reason for this technique? > > Ken > > > Draw a piece of bar looking from the stailstock end of the lathe, > > direction of rotation anticlock looking at the end. > > > > Draw a tool cutting from the left hand side, the reaction to the cut > > is to lift the bar vertically? > > > > Then do the same on the opposite side of the bar, keeping the rotation > > the same but with the tool inverted, the reaction is downwards? > > > > > > Peter > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From curt at imc-group.com Mon Feb 21 09:03:46 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:03:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: <6p1k11dr3u01jvv15hug21na16cq6v6jli@4ax.com> References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> <6p1k11dr3u01jvv15hug21na16cq6v6jli@4ax.com> Message-ID: <421A1472.9080004@imc-group.com> Peter, I'm not asking about the force direction. I can see that parting on the backside can be used to pull the headstock shaft downwards.(Incidentally this lifts up on the carriage and it likely an even worse situation) But my question was, what is the issue on pushing up on the headstock when parting? It is the same reaction as you get with standard turning. Curt Prepair Ltd wrote: >> > > > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Feb 21 08:59:34 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:59:34 -0800 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3><5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <006201c51836$b948be20$e8fe3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> OK the reaction is different but it should not make any difference unless you are depending on gravity to hold the spindle in one place. The main reason for the rear tool post is convenience and speed. On a turret lathe the cut off tool is almost always upside down and mounted in the rear. This allows room for 4 tools in the front square turret. If this is done right the rear tool is in the correct position to cut off when the last front tool has finished whatever it is doing. I ran a turret lathe many years ago, the foreman had strongly held feelings about doing things fast and I had this principal very firmly brought to mind on several occasions. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! > Peter, > > > the main idea being that they don't lift the headstock > >shaft when cutting metal as they are on the other side of the job > >compared with the normal turning tool. > > > > > Peter & Peter, > OK I'll bite, how are parting forces different than regular turning > forces? Both exert the same tendence to lift the headstock. But is this > a problem? I've seen a few of the back parting setups mentioned and just > figured it was a time saving thing....eliminating a tool change. You got > my curiosity up. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Feb 21 09:12:16 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:12:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #3 Message-ID: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> Here is a link to an odd shaped part, a Stickney fuel pump priming lever. I seriously procrastinated starting on this piece fearing it would be too difficult with my primitive woodworking skills. In reality it was one of the easier patterns in the project. This piece will be cast loose as I don't think I could make a follow board for it. Few foundries are willing to take the time to do loose patterns here. Hope you enjoy this: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/PrimingLever/Thumbnails.html Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Feb 21 09:10:59 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:10:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Airbags - Helpers In-Reply-To: <155.4ac77fae.2f4b66f4@aol.com> References: <155.4ac77fae.2f4b66f4@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Francis, I put a set of these on my Jeep Wrangler. VAST improvement! It's a much happier vehicle riding level. Does a lot for MY piece of mind too. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > A friend of mine installed airbags on his 4 x 4 Ford pickup. He uses them > as overload springs to help stabilizes the truck loading when he has his heavy > camper placed on the pickup. He regulates the air pressure inside the > airbags depending on the load. He said that this set up costed him about $300.00 > (USD) and he did the installation himself. When operating the truck without > the camper shell, he maintain about 5 psi air pressure. With the camper > shell installed, he said that the pickup was very stable when traveling on the > highway. From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Feb 21 08:51:11 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:51:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Find Message-ID: <20050221.121347.1288.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rex, You might try this site on the Briggs "L". http://www.asecc.com Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Feb 21 09:23:17 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:23:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Globe Invincible corn sheller Message-ID: Question from Pete. If you can help, please reply to him off-list at plowe at ceinternet.com.au ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Peter Lowe [mailto:plowe at ceinternet.com.au] Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 9:44 PM To: Arnie Fero Subject: Hi Arnie from Oz Hi mate Can you pass this along please to ATIS Pete, oz Hi all To assist me and those who can help check the link below. I need information on the Globe Invincible corn sheller. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/corn%20sheller/globe%20c orn%20sheller.htm Regards Peter, Oz From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Feb 21 09:39:01 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:39:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Patterns #3 In-Reply-To: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Simply gorgeous!! Well done Curt! On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Curt wrote: > Here is a link to an odd shaped part, a Stickney fuel pump priming > lever. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 09:33:13 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:33:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f602516050221093340185985@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:41:26 -0800, George Best wrote: > Rather than using a rear tool post, couldn't you simply reverse the > rotation of the work piece and use the normal tool post with the tool > inverted? > George Yes, you could, but it takes time to stop, reverse direction and change the tool, whereas the rear toolpost is already there, just has to be wound in to make the cut without moving the turret or the workpiece. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Feb 21 08:51:11 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:51:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Find Message-ID: <20050221.124049.1268.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rex, You might try this site on the Briggs "L". http://www.asecc.com Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Feb 21 10:02:44 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:02:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #3 In-Reply-To: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com> Well, Curt, I don't know whether to think of you first as a metal worker or a wood worker. Very good work. Gary Curt wrote: > Here is a link to an odd shaped part, a Stickney fuel pump priming > lever. I seriously procrastinated starting on this piece fearing it > would be too difficult with my primitive woodworking skills. In reality > it was one of the easier patterns in the project. This piece will be > cast loose as I don't think I could make a follow board for it. Few > foundries are willing to take the time to do loose patterns here. > Hope you enjoy this: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/PrimingLever/Thumbnails.html > > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From rexhinz at chorus.net Mon Feb 21 10:12:42 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:12:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Find References: <20050221.124049.1268.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <000901c51840$f22b8880$6686a5d8@mycomputer> Thanks Joe; I found the site and the serial# to year section, its a 1930 I don't collect Briggs but I couldn.t turn this one down as the price was real fair , thanks again Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Find > Hi Rex, > > You might try this site on the Briggs "L". > > http://www.asecc.com > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - > \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Mon Feb 21 10:15:58 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:15:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #3 Message-ID: Curt, Another great pattern making example!! You make it look so easy I'm ashamed I never finished my fuel mixer pattern. Its also great to see something posted about engines! ;-) George in Oregon (where the other Portland is) > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 9:12 AM > To: SEL > Subject: [SEL] Patterns #3 > > Here is a link to an odd shaped part, a Stickney fuel pump > priming lever. I seriously procrastinated starting on this > piece fearing it would be too difficult with my primitive > woodworking skills. In reality it was one of the easier > patterns in the project. This piece will be cast loose as I > don't think I could make a follow board for it. Few foundries > are willing to take the time to do loose patterns here. > Hope you enjoy this: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/ > PrimingLever/Thumbnails.html > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rwenig at telus.net Mon Feb 21 10:26:30 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:26:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Pattern #2 In-Reply-To: <4219F72D.6000101@imc-group.com> References: <421635FE.7070806@imc-group.com> <42183704.3020208@telus.net> <4219F72D.6000101@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <421A27D6.6050106@telus.net> Hello Curt, The lumber yards in larger centers (such as Edmonton) stock the 1/2 rounds in various sizes usually in increments from 1/4" going up by 1/8". I don't recall what the largest size they carry was. Check the centers that specialize in finishing lumber more so than centers that cater to construction building supplies. Unfortunately, the local stores where I live don't carry half round either so I either have to go to the big city or make my own. I see from your sizes that size may be a problem so what I do if I need a special size is to use double sided tape to hold two pieces of stock together before turning to a round or to shape using the tape line as a center line. Parting at the tape line will give two equal but opposite halves. An alternative is to glue a piece of paper between the two boards instead of using the double sided tape. Either method works equally well. I use this method for many of my patterns I make specially when I make patterns for wheels, pulleys or sprockets as the tape line becomes the parting line for the pattern. I big advantage to using the tape or a paper sandwiched between (as I see it) is only one pattern needs to be made to get the two halves. Also, I use the tape line as a reference line when I make patterns so the parting line is always the tape line. You probably know this but I suggest to made the stock a bit long and use a safety clamp to help the tape hold the two pieces together at the ends if you only have a pointy center for your tail stock. Rupert Curt wrote: > Rupert, > I've never seen these 1/2 round shapes you speak of. Sounds like they > could sure save a lot of work! Where do you find these? > The three diameters on this small part are .884, .808, and 1.051. They > are odd numbers but they account for shrinkage so that when cooled come > back to standard British dimensions. I imagine the 1/2 rounds could be > cut long and spot glued at the ends, turned to the needed diameter, and > the glued area cut off to give perfect halves. > Are these 1/2 rounds available in much larger diameters, such as 2 or 3" > diameter? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Rupert Wenig wrote: > >> Hello Curt, >> Nice pages but I'm curious about one thing. Is there any reason >> why you used whole dowels instead of ready made 1/2 round shapes to >> make the pattern? Course, maybe you didn't have the 1/2 rounds on >> hand. :-) >> >> Rupert >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rwenig at telus.net Mon Feb 21 10:29:11 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:29:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #3 In-Reply-To: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <421A2877.1010202@telus.net> Hello Curt, Nice pattern. What did you use for the numbers? Rupert Curt wrote: > Here is a link to an odd shaped part, a Stickney fuel pump priming > lever. I seriously procrastinated starting on this piece fearing it > would be too difficult with my primitive woodworking skills. In reality > it was one of the easier patterns in the project. This piece will be > cast loose as I don't think I could make a follow board for it. Few > foundries are willing to take the time to do loose patterns here. > Hope you enjoy this: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/PrimingLever/Thumbnails.html > > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 21 10:43:45 2005 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:43:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] duh! References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Didn't there used to be an Old Engine list at this url ? Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Patterns #3 > Well, Curt, I don't know whether to think of you first as a metal worker > or a wood worker. Very good work. > > Gary > > Curt wrote: >> Here is a link to an odd shaped part, a Stickney fuel pump priming lever. >> I seriously procrastinated starting on this piece fearing it would be too >> difficult with my primitive woodworking skills. In reality it was one of >> the easier patterns in the project. This piece will be cast loose as I >> don't think I could make a follow board for it. Few foundries are willing >> to take the time to do loose patterns here. >> Hope you enjoy this: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/PrimingLever/Thumbnails.html >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > -- > In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at > a leisurely pace. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Feb 21 10:44:36 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:44:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050221134043.021e2e28@mail.alltel.net> >Peter & Peter, >OK I'll bite, how are parting forces different than regular turning >forces? Both exert the same tendence to lift the headstock. But is this a >problem? I've seen a few of the back parting setups mentioned and just >figured it was a time saving thing....eliminating a tool change. You got >my curiosity up. >Curt Holland Damn it Curt, This is a family oriented List. I'll kindly thank you not to post this kind of thing in the future. Missy and Devin may not be on the List to read this kind of smut, but some do have wives and children who read posts from the List. Dave PS, Have you located any cedar logs for me to pick up in the fall? From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Feb 21 11:49:12 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:49:12 EST Subject: [SEL] Patterns #3 Message-ID: <1c9.23b09040.2f4b9538@aol.com> In a message dated 2/21/2005 12:25:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: << Here is a link to an odd shaped part, a Stickney fuel pump priming lever. I seriously procrastinated starting on this piece fearing it would be too difficult with my primitive woodworking skills. >> Curt, Thanks for all the casting posts recently! Beautiful work and am learning things about the cast pattern making process. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Mon Feb 21 11:58:17 2005 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:58:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Patterns -IH M fuel pump? In-Reply-To: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Has anyone made any patterns for the IH "M" fule pumps? Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ From diesel at easynet.co.uk Mon Feb 21 12:22:19 2005 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:22:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: <421A1472.9080004@imc-group.com> References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> <6p1k11dr3u01jvv15hug21na16cq6v6jli@4ax.com> <421A1472.9080004@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <9ngk115i686nj1rl1bk1e49aeijbdtdk1j@4ax.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:03:46 -0500, you wrote: >Peter, >I'm not asking about the force direction. I can see that parting on the >backside can be used to pull the headstock shaft downwards.(Incidentally >this lifts up on the carriage and it likely an even worse situation) >But my question was, what is the issue on pushing up on the headstock >when parting? It is the same reaction as you get with standard turning. >Curt Yes, in that sense it would be the same. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Feb 21 12:25:16 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:25:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] duh! Now OT In-Reply-To: <005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com> <005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <421A43AC.3040101@fidnet.com> Hey Ted, I'm not sure this is very far removed from old engines. Curt has visually shown us how we can get started in having unvailable parts cast for our repairs on old engines. In the interests of being "family" I shared my appreciation of his impressive work. I think this is appropiate. You will note that I did include an OT flat on this reply. ;) Gary Ted Brookover wrote: > Didn't there used to be an Old Engine list at this url ? > > Ted Brookover > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > 816-763-3142 > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 12:02 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Patterns #3 > > >> Well, Curt, I don't know whether to think of you first as a metal >> worker or a wood worker. Very good work. >> >> Gary >> >> Curt wrote: >> >>> Here is a link to an odd shaped part, a Stickney fuel pump priming >>> lever. I seriously procrastinated starting on this piece fearing it >>> would be too difficult with my primitive woodworking skills. In >>> reality it was one of the easier patterns in the project. This piece >>> will be cast loose as I don't think I could make a follow board for >>> it. Few foundries are willing to take the time to do loose patterns >>> here. >>> Hope you enjoy this: >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/PrimingLever/Thumbnails.html >>> Curt Holland >>> Gastonia, NC >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> -- >> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move >> at a leisurely pace. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Feb 21 12:42:49 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:42:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] duh! In-Reply-To: <005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com> <005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: Hmmmm, Ted, this actually IS an old engine thread. Did you miss that Curt was making a fuel pump priming lever for a Stickney? I can't think of a more "on topic" thread. See ya, Arnie On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Ted Brookover wrote: > Didn't there used to be an Old Engine list at this url ? > > > > Curt wrote: > >> Here is a link to an odd shaped part, a Stickney fuel pump priming lever. > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/PrimingLever/Thumbnails.html From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Feb 21 12:37:58 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:37:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Patterns -IH M fuel pump? References: Message-ID: <001701c51855$3ad2fdc0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Yes, there have to be at least three different ones, but it is much cheaper to buy a new one, or would you like to set up a business in fuel pumps. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Has anyone made any patterns for the IH "M" fule pumps? > Andrew. > > >From Andrew at > tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com > engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com > b10730 at hotmail.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 12:55:35 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:55:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] duh! In-Reply-To: <005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com> <005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <6f60251605022112553a9f3e74@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:43:45 -0600, Ted Brookover wrote: > Didn't there used to be an Old Engine list at this url ? > > Ted Brookover Hi Ted: Sorry if this is a bit machinery-orientated, but you'll see behind it all a lot of engine stuff if you look closely. With the amount of expertise and equipment we have between the List members, there should be almost nothing that couldn't be made or recreated for the old iron. We hope to start making some of the threaded spares for Listers soon, such as the main cylinder studs and the exhaust lifter lever that Arnie was after a year or so ago. Curt has been showing his casting and patternmaking skills, and hopefully we can persuade others to contribute, even yourself on the magneto spares side? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From glenn.karch at gte.net Mon Feb 21 13:05:58 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:05:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Niagara decal Message-ID: <004301c51859$28608fa0$6729ea41@oemcomputer> Hi Gang, My current project is the restoration of a 2 HP Plessisville, Quebec built Niagara brand engine. Does anyone out there have a good example of the decal and its colors? Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Feb 21 13:28:26 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:28:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Lister Threaded Spares In-Reply-To: <6f60251605022112553a9f3e74@mail.gmail.com> References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com> <005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <6f60251605022112553a9f3e74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Put me on the list. I still need one. Who knows, having that part in hand might give me the incentive to remove the flywheel and free up that stuck governor sleeve. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > We hope to start making some of the threaded spares for Listers soon, > such as the main cylinder studs and the exhaust lifter lever that > Arnie was after a year or so ago. Curt has been showing his casting > and patternmaking skills, and hopefully we can persuade others to > contribute, even yourself on the magneto spares side? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Feb 21 13:24:20 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:24:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Patterns -IH M fuel pump? References: Message-ID: <006301c5185b$b5cf9d20$bb84dccb@oemcomputer> I make and have in stock fuel pumps for IHC M's in 3 sizes ,1.5,3&6 HP and 3types for the 1.5HP engines.I make these in bronze. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 6:58 Subject: [SEL] Patterns -IH M fuel pump? > Has anyone made any patterns for the IH "M" fule pumps? > Andrew. > > >From Andrew at > tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com > engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com > b10730 at hotmail.com > > Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ > http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Feb 21 13:42:21 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:42:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Conical Valve Springs Message-ID: Hi Folks, >From time to time folks are looking for conical springs for intake or exhaust valve applications. The Reid Tool Company carries a bunch of different sizes. http://www/reidtool.com Just search on "conical spring". Their free paper catalog is a good one to keep in the shop. Lots of good bits in there. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 21 13:47:37 2005 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:47:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] duh! References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com><005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <6f60251605022112553a9f3e74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002a01c5185e$f60b5f20$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> I've got news for you Peter and all the rest of you as well, I made my first pattern 30 years ago and needed no one to hold my hand and show the way. I willnow be gone and say no more. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] duh! > On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:43:45 -0600, Ted Brookover > wrote: >> Didn't there used to be an Old Engine list at this url ? >> >> Ted Brookover > > Hi Ted: > > Sorry if this is a bit machinery-orientated, but you'll see behind it > all a lot of engine stuff if you look closely. > > With the amount of expertise and equipment we have between the List > members, there should be almost nothing that couldn't be made or > recreated for the old iron. > > We hope to start making some of the threaded spares for Listers soon, > such as the main cylinder studs and the exhaust lifter lever that > Arnie was after a year or so ago. Curt has been showing his casting > and patternmaking skills, and hopefully we can persuade others to > contribute, even yourself on the magneto spares side? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Feb 21 13:58:40 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:58:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #3 In-Reply-To: <421A2877.1010202@telus.net> References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2877.1010202@telus.net> Message-ID: <421A5990.1020007@imc-group.com> Rupert, The letters are from Freemen Supply and this is the style used: http://www.freemansupply.com/SharpFaceGothicWhi.htm They have several styles that can be seen here: http://www.freemansupply.com/choose/patternletters.htm Could you post pictures some of the patterns you have made? What is the thickness of the double sided tape you are using? Curt Rupert Wenig wrote: > Hello Curt, > Nice pattern. What did you use for the numbers? > > Rupert > > Curt wrote: > >> Here is a link to an odd shaped part, a Stickney fuel pump priming >> lever. I seriously procrastinated starting on this piece fearing it >> would be too difficult with my primitive woodworking skills. In >> reality it was one of the easier patterns in the project. This piece >> will be cast loose as I don't think I could make a follow board for >> it. Few foundries are willing to take the time to do loose patterns >> here. >> Hope you enjoy this: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/PrimingLever/Thumbnails.html >> >> >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Mon Feb 21 13:58:34 2005 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:58:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Patterns -IH M fuel pump? In-Reply-To: <001701c51855$3ad2fdc0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Well, I have the tools to make the casting, and I was wondering if anyone had made any patterns, I don't know about making a business out of it, but yes I would probably make a few of them... >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, John Hammink wrote: > Yes, there have to be at least three different ones, but it is > much cheaper to buy a new one, or would you like to set up > a business in fuel pumps. > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > Has anyone made any patterns for the IH "M" fule pumps? > > Andrew. > > > > >From Andrew at > > tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com > > engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com > > b10730 at hotmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Feb 21 14:14:28 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:14:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050221134043.021e2e28@mail.alltel.net> References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050221134043.021e2e28@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <421A5D44.6020703@imc-group.com> Dave, Actually I do have a card from a tree service guy I talked to about a month ago. He thinks he's got some. Thanks for the nudge to follow up on that lead. Hey, is Arnie ever going to post those pictures taken at Cotton Ginning Days taken with you helping me hold onto my big log? I admit it was mighty scary with you holding it so close to that 31" diameter blade :-) Curt P.S. Absolutely my last post that is not family appropriate.....riiiight. Dave Rotigel wrote: > > Damn it Curt, > This is a family oriented List. I'll kindly thank you not to > post this kind of thing in the future. Missy and Devin may not be on > the List to read this kind of smut, but some do have wives and > children who read posts from the List. > Dave > PS, Have you located any cedar logs for me to pick up in the fall? > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 14:16:28 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:16:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Lister Threaded Spares In-Reply-To: References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com> <005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <6f60251605022112553a9f3e74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605022114163e304763@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:28:26 -0500 (EST), Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Put me on the list. I still need one. > > Who knows, having that part in hand might give me the incentive to > remove the flywheel and free up that stuck governor sleeve. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie 'kay, but I have a spare one I can bring over to Portland.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 14:16:28 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:16:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Lister Threaded Spares In-Reply-To: References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com> <005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <6f60251605022112553a9f3e74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605022114163e304763@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:28:26 -0500 (EST), Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Put me on the list. I still need one. > > Who knows, having that part in hand might give me the incentive to > remove the flywheel and free up that stuck governor sleeve. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie 'kay, but I have a spare one I can bring over to Portland.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Feb 21 14:54:40 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:54:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] duh! OT! In-Reply-To: <002a01c5185e$f60b5f20$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com><005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <6f60251605022112553a9f3e74@mail.gmail.com> <002a01c5185e$f60b5f20$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <421A66B0.8040809@imc-group.com> That nice Ted, real nice.... I'm happy that you started making patterns 30 years ago. The result of that is one of the most comprehensive records of ignitors in the world. I have made a complete copy of your ignitor photos because it is such a fine reference. You have posted that work on the internet for all to see and occasionally report that you make updates. I was under the impression that the SEL was a forum in which we all could post show pictures and reports, auction results, ask questions about our engines, and tell a little bit about what we are doing. Some of us younger fellows (42 here) are where you were 20 years ago perhaps. Good energy levels, good enthusiasm, and a strong willingness to share with others what we are working on at the moment. There is probably as much work in documenting and web page writing for such work as there is in the work itself. Frankly there has been little on topic discussion on the list lately and I was hoping to get some discussion, any discussion, about engines going. Your tirade will likely kill what little discussion was getting started. (But I sure hope not) There will be two more posts on pattern making from me. One tomorrow and one on Wednesday. That will conclude my contribution for the moment on Stickney patterns. If those post don't meet with your approval I encourage the use of your delete key. Regards, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Ted Brookover wrote: > I've got news for you Peter and all the rest of you as well, I made my > first pattern 30 years ago and needed no one to hold my hand and show > the way. I willnow be gone and say no more. > From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Mon Feb 21 14:49:45 2005 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:49:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] duh! In-Reply-To: <002a01c5185e$f60b5f20$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: OK, I uaually don't say much on here, and there is a lot of good info i've picked up from being on this list, but I think I would agree with Peter here, all this stuff is good info to have and I think that almost anyone who does restoration of old engines may at one point have to make their own patterns if a part cannot be located. It could certainly be quite useful I think... >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ > > Hi Ted: > > > > Sorry if this is a bit machinery-orientated, but you'll see behind it > > all a lot of engine stuff if you look closely. > > > > With the amount of expertise and equipment we have between the List > > members, there should be almost nothing that couldn't be made or > > recreated for the old iron. > > > > We hope to start making some of the threaded spares for Listers soon, > > such as the main cylinder studs and the exhaust lifter lever that > > Arnie was after a year or so ago. Curt has been showing his casting > > and patternmaking skills, and hopefully we can persuade others to > > contribute, even yourself on the magneto spares side? > > > > Peter > > -- > > Peter A Forbes > > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Feb 21 14:59:20 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:59:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Niagara decal In-Reply-To: <004301c51859$28608fa0$6729ea41@oemcomputer> References: <004301c51859$28608fa0$6729ea41@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <421A67C8.20709@imc-group.com> Glenn, I found this picture in my files on a Plessisville that I think is a Hercules copy. Same thing??? http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/Plessisville.jpg Someone in Georgia was selling this engine a few years ago. The color is black and perhaps the graphics is useful. Sorry it is not a better picture. Curt Glenn A Karch wrote: >Hi Gang, > >My current project is the restoration of a 2 HP Plessisville, Quebec built >Niagara brand engine. Does anyone out there have a good example of the >decal and its colors? > >Glenn > >Glenn Karch >Haubstadt, IN, USA >Hercules Historian > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 21 15:16:49 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:16:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] duh! OT! In-Reply-To: <421A66B0.8040809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20050221231649.39422.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com> That's great ted would be nice if we were all as old as you and as smart. Ron Curt wrote: That nice Ted, real nice.... I'm happy that you started making patterns 30 years ago. The result of that is one of the most comprehensive records of ignitors in the world. I have made a complete copy of your ignitor photos because it is such a fine reference. You have posted that work on the internet for all to see and occasionally report that you make updates. I was under the impression that the SEL was a forum in which we all could post show pictures and reports, auction results, ask questions about our engines, and tell a little bit about what we are doing. Some of us younger fellows (42 here) are where you were 20 years ago perhaps. Good energy levels, good enthusiasm, and a strong willingness to share with others what we are working on at the moment. There is probably as much work in documenting and web page writing for such work as there is in the work itself. Frankly there has been little on topic discussion on the list lately and I was hoping to get some discussion, any discussion, about engines going. Your tirade will likely kill what little discussion was getting started. (But I sure hope not) There will be two more posts on pattern making from me. One tomorrow and one on Wednesday. That will conclude my contribution for the moment on Stickney patterns. If those post don't meet with your approval I encourage the use of your delete key. Regards, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Ted Brookover wrote: > I've got news for you Peter and all the rest of you as well, I made my > first pattern 30 years ago and needed no one to hold my hand and show > the way. I willnow be gone and say no more. > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' From todengine at zoominternet.net Mon Feb 21 15:40:09 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:40:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OK Here's A Post About old Stationary Iron! Message-ID: <00b101c5186e$ae412020$fdc19a18@pengy> This post should make up for all of the off topic stuff if we were to gauge the significance of the on topic posts by the sheer tonnage of old stationary iron talked about!! :-) I'm itching to get back to work on the Tod Engine display site. I have talked to a contractor with a skid steer with auger to drill the holes for the foundation piers for the display pavilion, and once we get a few nice days I'll get him out there to do the work. Then I'll get a few forms in place and start pouring the next portion of the concrete display slab. One way or another the concrete work will get done this spring and the remainder of the engine gets moved to the site this summer (or fall depending upon how busy the riggers are!) Maybe you've noticed in the new show directory that we are listed for having a show on September 17 and 18. This is the goal that I have set for having enough of the site ready for our first open house and hopefully all of the engine parts will be there (if not reassembled yet). This will be an event to both thank the people who have assisted with the Tod Engine Project and also our first public gathering to show off the engine (parts). It would be fabulous if one or more SEL members could come out with an engine or two to run. That weekend also marks nine years since the beginning of removal of the engine from the mill on Sept. 20, 1996. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Feb 21 16:08:23 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:08:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre Message-ID: Howdy all; Went to put new shocks on my newly acquired Landcruiser. Put the floor jack under the trailer ball: http://community.webshots.com/photo/267622410/279540064rNbdde and look what happened after a couple of pumps on the jack handle: http://community.webshots.com/photo/279538561/279538561ClfHSm Popped right out. This is the type of ball that mounts with a bolt. Considering myself damn lucky today!!!!!!!!! RickinMt. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Feb 21 16:39:26 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:39:26 +0100 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre References: Message-ID: <000b01c51876$f61f2150$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hey Rick, your lucky gold digger :o)) John Hammink In windy Holland. > Howdy all; > Went to put new shocks on my newly acquired Landcruiser. Put the floor > jack under the trailer ball: > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/267622410/279540064rNbdde > > and look what happened after a couple of pumps on the jack handle: > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/279538561/279538561ClfHSm > > Popped right out. This is the type of ball that mounts with a bolt. > > Considering myself damn lucky today!!!!!!!!! > > RickinMt. From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Feb 21 16:42:22 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:42:22 EST Subject: [SEL] Re: Airbags - Helpers Message-ID: <100.da75e0c.2f4bd9ee@aol.com> In a message dated 2/21/2005 9:26:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: I put a set of these on my Jeep Wrangler. VAST improvement! It's a much happier vehicle riding level. Does a lot for MY piece of mind too. My buddy who installed the airbags on his Ford pickup tells me that the reason he didn't go with the air shock is that they place a large load on the shock interface studs/bolts. As a result, these bolts become a failure point. The airbag installation has brackets which fasten to the frame and the rear axle housing with the airbag going between these brackets. The shocks still operate as originally designed. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Feb 21 16:43:12 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:43:12 EST Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre Message-ID: <85.21d76226.2f4bda20@aol.com> In a message dated 2/21/2005 7:36:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << Considering myself damn lucky today!!!!!!!!! >> Rick, What the heck turned loose?? Hole too big, bushing in the hole, something rusted thru???? By some dumb luck I happened to notice the nut coming loose on my truck when at a show with the trailer attached. For some reason the nut had backed off. Found a flea market vendor with a pipe wrench he lent me. That could have ended in a real tragedy if it had completely turned loose while in tow! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rwenig at telus.net Mon Feb 21 16:43:39 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:43:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #3 In-Reply-To: <421A5990.1020007@imc-group.com> References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2877.1010202@telus.net> <421A5990.1020007@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <421A803B.3060109@telus.net> Hello Curt, Thanks for the links. Proper lettering is difficult to find in this are so they will be a big help. There are some pictures on my site at . Look under projects. I can post a few more if your interested. but, I must warn you, any of the engine pictures are for miniatures. :-) The double sided tape I have on hand measures about 0.005". The name on the package is Carpet Tape. I think the double sided scotch tape is a bit thicker but I don't have any to check. Rupert Curt wrote: > Rupert, > The letters are from Freemen Supply and this is the style used: > http://www.freemansupply.com/SharpFaceGothicWhi.htm > > They have several styles that can be seen here: > http://www.freemansupply.com/choose/patternletters.htm > > Could you post pictures some of the patterns you have made? > > What is the thickness of the double sided tape you are using? > Curt > From todengine at zoominternet.net Mon Feb 21 16:45:07 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:45:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre References: Message-ID: <013701c51877$c19d8d30$fdc19a18@pengy> My question is who takes a picture of jacking up the family car to put shocks on it? I've NEVER taken a picture of the oil pan drain plug on my F150 when I change the oil. Maybe I should start, just in case something wierd happens that I can share on the list? All kidding aside that was good to find this out now instead of while driving down the road and your trailer passes you in the left lane! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 7:08 PM Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre > Howdy all; > Went to put new shocks on my newly acquired Landcruiser. Put the floor > jack under the trailer ball: > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/267622410/279540064rNbdde > > and look what happened after a couple of pumps on the jack handle: > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/279538561/279538561ClfHSm > > Popped right out. This is the type of ball that mounts with a bolt. > > Considering myself damn lucky today!!!!!!!!! > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rwenig at telus.net Mon Feb 21 16:51:05 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:51:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] duh! OT! In-Reply-To: <20050221231649.39422.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050221231649.39422.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <421A81F9.50403@telus.net> Hey Guys, Ted seems to be the one with the most pattern making experience in the group. I think we should be prompting him to show use how to make patterns for any parts that are not available from any other source. How about it Ted? :-) Rupert Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote: > That's great ted would be nice if we were all as old as you and as smart. > Ron > > Curt wrote: > That nice Ted, real nice.... I'm happy that you started making patterns > 30 years ago. The result of that is one of the most comprehensive > records of ignitors in the world. I have made a complete copy of your > ignitor photos because it is such a fine reference. You have posted that > work on the internet for all to see and occasionally report that you > make updates. > > I was under the impression that the SEL was a forum in which we all > could post show pictures and reports, auction results, ask questions > about our engines, and tell a little bit about what we are doing. Some > of us younger fellows (42 here) are where you were 20 years ago perhaps. > Good energy levels, good enthusiasm, and a strong willingness to share > with others what we are working on at the moment. There is probably as > much work in documenting and web page writing for such work as there is > in the work itself. > Frankly there has been little on topic discussion on the list lately and > I was hoping to get some discussion, any discussion, about engines > going. Your tirade will likely kill what little discussion was getting > started. (But I sure hope not) > There will be two more posts on pattern making from me. One tomorrow and > one on Wednesday. That will conclude my contribution for the moment on > Stickney patterns. If those post don't meet with your approval I > encourage the use of your delete key. > Regards, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Ted Brookover wrote: > > >>I've got news for you Peter and all the rest of you as well, I made my >>first pattern 30 years ago and needed no one to hold my hand and show >>the way. I willnow be gone and say no more. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Feb 21 17:00:54 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:00:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] duh! OT! In-Reply-To: <421A66B0.8040809@imc-group.com> References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com><005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <6f60251605022112553a9f3e74@mail.gmail.com> <002a01c5185e$f60b5f20$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <421A66B0.8040809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <421A8446.8090204@earthlink.net> Keep em coming Curt, This is a great thread. Last time I made a pattern was in high school. That was over 30 years ago. Great to see the work, the comments, and sharing of ideas regarding this topic. Considering there is a finite number of original parts on the planet, we WILL have to make some in the future. No reason not to share our knowledge and ideas. This is on topic in my opinion. Jeff Allen Curt wrote: > That nice Ted, real nice.... I'm happy that you started making > patterns 30 years ago. The result of that is one of the most > comprehensive records of ignitors in the world. I have made a complete > copy of your ignitor photos because it is such a fine reference. You > have posted that work on the internet for all to see and occasionally > report that you make updates. > > I was under the impression that the SEL was a forum in which we all > could post show pictures and reports, auction results, ask questions > about our engines, and tell a little bit about what we are doing. Some > of us younger fellows (42 here) are where you were 20 years ago > perhaps. Good energy levels, good enthusiasm, and a strong willingness > to share with others what we are working on at the moment. There is > probably as much work in documenting and web page writing for such > work as there is in the work itself. > Frankly there has been little on topic discussion on the list lately > and I was hoping to get some discussion, any discussion, about engines > going. Your tirade will likely kill what little discussion was getting > started. (But I sure hope not) > There will be two more posts on pattern making from me. One tomorrow > and one on Wednesday. That will conclude my contribution for the > moment on Stickney patterns. If those post don't meet with your > approval I encourage the use of your delete key. > Regards, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Ted Brookover wrote: > >> I've got news for you Peter and all the rest of you as well, I made >> my first pattern 30 years ago and needed no one to hold my hand and >> show the way. I willnow be gone and say no more. >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Feb 21 17:08:03 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:08:03 EST Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre Message-ID: <9.3e498542.2f4bdff3@aol.com> In a message dated 2/21/2005 4:36:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: Considering myself damn lucky today!!!!!!!!! I agree. My next door neighbor forgot to latch his hitch on his trailer. Now, his fairly new pickup has a nice dented rear fender where the trailer hit it when the trailer got loose from the ball. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Feb 21 17:14:07 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:14:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pattern Making Discussion In-Reply-To: <421A66B0.8040809@imc-group.com> References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com><005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <6f60251605022112553a9f3e74@mail.gmail.com> <002a01c5185e$f60b5f20$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <421A66B0.8040809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <421A875F.1080109@scrtc.com> Curt, I think the pattern making discussion is one of the more interesting bits of info we've had on the list for a while. Most of us have some old iron that has a part missing, broken, etc. I know from having done the Miami engine project that there is a great deal of "on the job learning" with pattern making. Sharing your successes and failures is info that can be valuable to us when we attempt future projects. I sure wished I had had some tips when I started making patterns/parts rather than learn it all the hard way. I hope you compile all your pattern tips where we can use them for further reference. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Feb 21 17:14:42 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:14:42 EST Subject: [SEL] duh! OT! Message-ID: <1e3.35c20bb3.2f4be182@aol.com> In a message dated 2/21/2005 8:09:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, rwenig at telus.net writes: << Ted seems to be the one with the most pattern making experience in the group. I think we should be prompting him to show use how to make patterns for any parts that are not available from any other source. How about it Ted? >> Better still, Ted could walk us thru the basics of magneto repairing both Wico and Webster type, pictures of step by step tear-downs, machining techniques and fixture setups, etc. Talk about a wealth of information to pass on to us novices! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Feb 21 17:21:34 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:21:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] duh! OT! In-Reply-To: <421A81F9.50403@telus.net> References: <20050221231649.39422.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com> <421A81F9.50403@telus.net> Message-ID: <421A891E.1090304@scrtc.com> Rupert, I've been around the old iron for about 3/4 of my life. I bought my first engine (and still have it) at the age of 12. I've got to know a lot of engine guys through the years and I would say Ted is one of the more talented of the lot. I'm not telling most of you anything you don't already know. Ted knows his stuff and we have all gained from the knowledge and info he has shared with us over the last few years on the SEL. If he wants to share anything new, it would certainly be welcomed by me. If not, I sincerely thank him for the knowledge he has already made available. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky Rupert Wenig wrote: > Hey Guys, > Ted seems to be the one with the most pattern making experience in > the group. I think we should be prompting him to show use how to make > patterns for any parts that are not available from any other source. > How about it Ted? :-) > > Rupert > > Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote: > >> That's great ted would be nice if we were all as old as you and as >> smart. >> Ron >> >> Curt wrote: >> That nice Ted, real nice.... I'm happy that you started making >> patterns 30 years ago. The result of that is one of the most >> comprehensive records of ignitors in the world. I have made a >> complete copy of your ignitor photos because it is such a fine >> reference. You have posted that work on the internet for all to see >> and occasionally report that you make updates. >> >> I was under the impression that the SEL was a forum in which we all >> could post show pictures and reports, auction results, ask questions >> about our engines, and tell a little bit about what we are doing. >> Some of us younger fellows (42 here) are where you were 20 years ago >> perhaps. Good energy levels, good enthusiasm, and a strong >> willingness to share with others what we are working on at the >> moment. There is probably as much work in documenting and web page >> writing for such work as there is in the work itself. >> Frankly there has been little on topic discussion on the list lately >> and I was hoping to get some discussion, any discussion, about >> engines going. Your tirade will likely kill what little discussion >> was getting started. (But I sure hope not) >> There will be two more posts on pattern making from me. One tomorrow >> and one on Wednesday. That will conclude my contribution for the >> moment on Stickney patterns. If those post don't meet with your >> approval I encourage the use of your delete key. >> Regards, >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> >> Ted Brookover wrote: >> >> >>> I've got news for you Peter and all the rest of you as well, I made >>> my first pattern 30 years ago and needed no one to hold my hand and >>> show the way. I willnow be gone and say no more. >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> Ron Frost >> Kersey, PA >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 >> >> http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 >> >> " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From jhcullom at adelphia.net Mon Feb 21 17:25:04 2005 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:25:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cabin fever References: Message-ID: <001301c5187d$56357610$6401a8c0@office> Hey fellas, take it easy a bit on Ted. He's been on these lists a long time. And, he's done alot for a good many guys (myself included), from engine advice, help with a mag, or lending his expert hand at pinstriping our engines. Plus, he's been through alot here in the past year, healthwise & familywise. I think he's earned the right to be a bit curmudgenly. Besides, things like this happen every year as cabin fever takes hold. So cut him a little slack if you would. Thanks, John From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Mon Feb 21 18:00:58 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:00:58 +0800 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post, fair dinkum! In-Reply-To: <9ngk115i686nj1rl1bk1e49aeijbdtdk1j@4ax.com> References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> <6p1k11dr3u01jvv15hug21na16cq6v6jli@4ax.com> <421A1472.9080004@imc-group.com> <9ngk115i686nj1rl1bk1e49aeijbdtdk1j@4ax.com> Message-ID: <421A925A.8030201@optusnet.com.au> There has been a lot of discussion over the years in the British model engineering "bible", "The Model Engineer" regarding parting-off using rear toolposts, and there have been many "in-depth" analyses of the reasons for its seemingly enhanced performance, quite apart from the convenience and time-saving factor. The consensus is that even the sceptics who have tried it have been convinced of its effectiveness, for whatever reason. It might be the "bumble-bee aerodynamics" factor Jack in Oz From ivancou at usachoice.net Mon Feb 21 18:16:19 2005 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:16:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] duh! OT! References: <421A1670.3050206@imc-group.com> <421A2244.6050604@fidnet.com><005501c51845$464abb80$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <6f60251605022112553a9f3e74@mail.gmail.com><002a01c5185e$f60b5f20$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <421A66B0.8040809@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000401c51884$7fe215c0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Curt , I find this thread interesting as far as the mold making . I am in a spot where I am probably going to have to fabricate some parts . They could be machined from solid stock but I'd like to get it put back together before I get old and croak . Ivan From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Feb 21 18:17:18 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:17:18 EST Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox) Info Needed Message-ID: <14.3f8a8a17.2f4bf02e@aol.com> Hi, I finally got around to disassemble the stuck Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox) engine. When the crankcase cover was removed, it was apparent that water had gotten into the crankcase. I removed the crankshaft and surprise to find that the large main bearing journal was blue as if no oil was available to lubricate this moving part. The piston was not stuck and I was able to move it back and forth. However, when I started to inspect the crankshaft timing gear, the real bad news revealed itself. Timing gear has several teeth missing. I am not familiar with this engine and it appears that the crankshaft, flywheel, and this defective timing gear are all one piece. Counter weights are bolted to the crankshaft journals. I don't see how this crankshaft assembly can be disassembled any further. I hope I am wrong. Can some of the Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox) experts help me? Thanks, Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Feb 21 18:21:38 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:21:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre References: <85.21d76226.2f4bda20@aol.com> Message-ID: I don't know but will research it a little more. The big hole was gas axed. This makes no sense to me at all. Re-enacted it was Rick..you knew that Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre > In a message dated 2/21/2005 7:36:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > > << Considering myself damn lucky today!!!!!!!!! >> > > Rick, > > What the heck turned loose?? Hole too big, bushing in the hole, something > rusted thru???? > > By some dumb luck I happened to notice the nut coming loose on my truck > when > at a show with the trailer attached. For some reason the nut had backed > off. > Found a flea market vendor with a pipe wrench he lent me. That could have > ended in a real tragedy if it had completely turned loose while in tow! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Mon Feb 21 19:27:30 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:27:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Question In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20050221083129.00c28678@mail.earthlink.net> References: <4.2.2.20050220173119.00c2da78@mail.earthlink.net> <4.2.2.20050221083129.00c28678@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <421AA6A2.6030209@wightman.ca> Thanks to everyone who has responded to my question. Unfortunately, the problem still exists so the hunt continues. Duncan -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From plb at iinet.net.au Mon Feb 21 18:30:03 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:30:03 +0800 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre References: 172059496 Message-ID: <15f901c51886$69f2eee0$0201010a@Portable> Rick,I also notice it was one of those brass or bronze? balls. I never used them since I had the bolt on one snap on me. I found that over time the mounting face distorts from the towing force so that its not flat. What happens then is that it starts flexing the bolt which eventually breaks from fatigue. I now use only good quality steel ones. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:08 AM Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre > Howdy all; > Went to put new shocks on my newly acquired Landcruiser. Put the floor > jack under the trailer ball: > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/267622410/279540064rNbdde > > and look what happened after a couple of pumps on the jack handle: > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/279538561/279538561ClfHSm > > Popped right out. This is the type of ball that mounts with a bolt. > > Considering myself damn lucky today!!!!!!!!! > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Feb 21 18:50:00 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:50:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre In-Reply-To: References: <85.21d76226.2f4bda20@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050221214822.025f1c38@mail.alltel.net> The washer that was needed for this application was never installed! Dave At 09:21 PM 2/21/2005, you wrote: >I don't know but will research it a little more. The big hole was gas axed. >This makes no sense to me at all. > >Re-enacted it was Rick..you knew that > >Rick > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 5:43 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre > > > > In a message dated 2/21/2005 7:36:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > > > > << Considering myself damn lucky today!!!!!!!!! >> > > > > Rick, > > > > What the heck turned loose?? Hole too big, bushing in the hole, something > > rusted thru???? From solarrog at pacbell.net Mon Feb 21 18:50:27 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:50:27 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox) Info Needed References: <14.3f8a8a17.2f4bf02e@aol.com> Message-ID: <00d101c51889$44a753d0$40037643@D6R3D961> Francis I think I have a crankshaft and rod for one of these. contact me direct if interested Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 6:17 PM Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox) Info Needed > Hi, > I finally got around to disassemble the stuck Fairbank Morse Z Style D > (ShoeBox) engine. When the crankcase cover was removed, it was apparent > that > water had gotten into the crankcase. I removed the crankshaft and > surprise to > find that the large main bearing journal was blue as if no oil was > available to > lubricate this moving part. The piston was not stuck and I was able to > move > it back and forth. However, when I started to inspect the crankshaft > timing > gear, the real bad news revealed itself. Timing gear has several teeth > missing. I am not familiar with this engine and it appears that the > crankshaft, > flywheel, and this defective timing gear are all one piece. Counter > weights > are bolted to the crankshaft journals. I don't see how this crankshaft > assembly can be disassembled any further. I hope I am wrong. Can some > of the > Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox) experts help me? > Thanks, > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Feb 21 19:02:16 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:02:16 -0800 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3><5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00f101c5188a$ebd53860$e8fe3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Just thought of another big advantage of a rear cut off. The chips fall out and do not pile up on the top of the tool. If a chip gets down the side of the tool it acts like a wedge and in some cases the tool will be broken or the work piece wrecked or both. Certainly nothing special about a rear cut off tool, been in use for at least 100 years. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! > Peter, > > > the main idea being that they don't lift the headstock > >shaft when cutting metal as they are on the other side of the job > >compared with the normal turning tool. > > > > > Peter & Peter, > OK I'll bite, how are parting forces different than regular turning > forces? Both exert the same tendence to lift the headstock. But is this > a problem? I've seen a few of the back parting setups mentioned and just > figured it was a time saving thing....eliminating a tool change. You got > my curiosity up. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rwenig at telus.net Mon Feb 21 19:09:18 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:09:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] duh! OT! In-Reply-To: <421A891E.1090304@scrtc.com> References: <20050221231649.39422.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com> <421A81F9.50403@telus.net> <421A891E.1090304@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <421AA25E.7050800@telus.net> Hello Tommy, I totally agree that Ted know his engine stuff from what I've gleaned off this list. He let it out in a recent message that he knows pattern making too so I hope he will share that knowledge with the group as well. I sure hope I didn't sound like I was knocking him down as I meant my message to be praise. I have a good mentor for foundry stuff living an hour away from me so I consider myself lucky. His advice was free so I try to pass on what I have learned from him for the same price. He has helped me plenty ironing out and correcting mistakes that would have given more gray hair than I care to mention. Their advice and guidance is priceless and I still have a lot to learn. Rupert Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Rupert, > > I've been around the old iron for about 3/4 of my life. I bought my > first engine (and still have it) at the age of 12. I've got to know a > lot of engine guys through the years and I would say Ted is one of the > more talented of the lot. I'm not telling most of you anything you > don't already know. Ted knows his stuff and we have all gained from the > knowledge and info he has shared with us over the last few years on the > SEL. If he wants to share anything new, it would certainly be welcomed > by me. If not, I sincerely thank him for the knowledge he has already > made available. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, Ky > > > > Rupert Wenig wrote: > >> Hey Guys, >> Ted seems to be the one with the most pattern making experience in >> the group. I think we should be prompting him to show use how to make >> patterns for any parts that are not available from any other source. >> How about it Ted? :-) >> >> Rupert >> >> Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote: >> >>> That's great ted would be nice if we were all as old as you and as >>> smart. >>> Ron >>> >>> Curt wrote: >>> That nice Ted, real nice.... I'm happy that you started making >>> patterns 30 years ago. The result of that is one of the most >>> comprehensive records of ignitors in the world. I have made a >>> complete copy of your ignitor photos because it is such a fine >>> reference. You have posted that work on the internet for all to see >>> and occasionally report that you make updates. >>> >>> I was under the impression that the SEL was a forum in which we all >>> could post show pictures and reports, auction results, ask questions >>> about our engines, and tell a little bit about what we are doing. >>> Some of us younger fellows (42 here) are where you were 20 years ago >>> perhaps. Good energy levels, good enthusiasm, and a strong >>> willingness to share with others what we are working on at the >>> moment. There is probably as much work in documenting and web page >>> writing for such work as there is in the work itself. >>> Frankly there has been little on topic discussion on the list lately >>> and I was hoping to get some discussion, any discussion, about >>> engines going. Your tirade will likely kill what little discussion >>> was getting started. (But I sure hope not) >>> There will be two more posts on pattern making from me. One tomorrow >>> and one on Wednesday. That will conclude my contribution for the >>> moment on Stickney patterns. If those post don't meet with your >>> approval I encourage the use of your delete key. >>> Regards, >>> Curt Holland >>> Gastonia, NC >>> >>> Ted Brookover wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I've got news for you Peter and all the rest of you as well, I made >>>> my first pattern 30 years ago and needed no one to hold my hand and >>>> show the way. I willnow be gone and say no more. >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> Ron Frost >>> Kersey, PA >>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 >>> >>> http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 >>> >>> " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Feb 21 20:12:10 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:12:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] duh! OT! In-Reply-To: <421AA25E.7050800@telus.net> References: <20050221231649.39422.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com> <421A81F9.50403@telus.net> <421A891E.1090304@scrtc.com> <421AA25E.7050800@telus.net> Message-ID: <421AB11A.7050109@scrtc.com> You're right Rupert. Those that have "been there, done that" are a wealth of info to those of us that have yet "gone there". Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > > Their advice and guidance is priceless and I still have a lot to > learn. > > Rupert > > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Feb 21 20:06:25 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:06:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre Message-ID: <20050221.232928.572.0.jlb94@juno.com> Guess they (whoever mounted the ball) figured all weight is on the down. And - Yes - You are lucky. Looks like they filled the hole with a nut ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. Is it my imagination - \/)"(\/ or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Feb 21 20:54:54 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:54:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre In-Reply-To: <20050221.232928.572.0.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050221.232928.572.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050221234642.026bd948@mail.alltel.net> At 11:06 PM 2/21/2005, you wrote: >Guess they (whoever mounted the ball) figured all weight is on the down. >And - >Yes - You are lucky. >Looks like they filled the hole with a nut ? >Joe "Pip" Betz I've looked at the pictures at least a dozen times and think I have discovered the problem. The hitch is rated for 4,000 lbs and the jack that Rick used was 2 1/4 ton! Plain as day right there in http://community.webshots.com/photo/267622410/279540064rNbdde Once you realize that the jack is rated 500 lbs more than the hitch it all falls into place--or out of place as this case may be! Dave PS, As Dolly would say EAZY PEAZY! From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Feb 21 13:36:45 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:36:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] rear tool post...deviates!!!! References: <002f01c51742$402c90b0$0db53dca@ogborneuah38i3><5g0h1152nn1ia0e8c1asknks5a38sts7lb@4ax.com> <4219FA1A.6030704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00fc01c518b2$b4c853c0$3d111bd3@reg> You are right. It is a production time saver. It also tends to lift the slide. Thus it is not good on a small lathe if you are taking a decent cut. The headstock pressure is the least of the concerns. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > OK I'll bite, how are parting forces different than regular turning > forces? Both exert the same tendence to lift the headstock. But is this > a problem? I've seen a few of the back parting setups mentioned and just > figured it was a time saving thing....eliminating a tool change. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 23:47:14 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:47:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Cabin fever In-Reply-To: <001301c5187d$56357610$6401a8c0@office> References: <001301c5187d$56357610$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <6f60251605022123476e06d726@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:25:04 -0500, John Cullom wrote: > Hey fellas, take it easy a bit on Ted. He's been on these lists a long time. > And, he's done alot for a good many guys (myself included), from engine > advice, help with a mag, or lending his expert hand at pinstriping our > engines. Plus, he's been through alot here in the past year, healthwise & > familywise. I think he's earned the right to be a bit curmudgenly. Besides, > things like this happen every year as cabin fever takes hold. So cut him a > little slack if you would. > Thanks, > John I was very surprised at Ted's comments more than anything else, as he is normally such an affable and helpful guy. It is most out of character for him and I hope that he is not having any further troubles with his foot/leg problem or family. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 00:01:30 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:01:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160502220001112cbc00@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:08:23 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all; > Went to put new shocks on my newly acquired Landcruiser. Put the floor > jack under the trailer ball: > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/267622410/279540064rNbdde > > and look what happened after a couple of pumps on the jack handle: > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/279538561/279538561ClfHSm > > Popped right out. This is the type of ball that mounts with a bolt. > > Considering myself damn lucky today!!!!!!!!! > > RickinMt. That looks like there should have been a large plate/washer between the bolt head and the bracket as Dave said. Very lucky that it hasn't come out before! We use the two-hole fixing type balls (!) over here in the UK and Europe, but an occasional check on the bolts (2 X 5/8" UNF) is always worthwhile. The new van has covered nearly 25000 miles since Sept 26th last year, and I'll be picking up the turret mill we bought on ebay this week, so a quick spanner check is in order, and that goes for the trailer coupling as well.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 00:04:06 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:04:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Airbags - Helpers In-Reply-To: <100.da75e0c.2f4bd9ee@aol.com> References: <100.da75e0c.2f4bd9ee@aol.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605022200042ac33168@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:42:22 EST, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/21/2005 9:26:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, > fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > > I put a set of these on my Jeep Wrangler. VAST improvement! > It's a much happier vehicle riding level. Does a lot for MY piece of mind > too. > > My buddy who installed the airbags on his Ford pickup tells me that the > reason he didn't go with the air shock is that they place a large load on the > shock interface studs/bolts. As a result, these bolts become a failure point. > The airbag installation has brackets which fasten to the frame and the rear > axle housing with the airbag going between these brackets. The shocks still > operate as originally designed. > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA Hi Francis: I could see that this could be a concern, but most shockers have pretty robust mountings as they perform the sort of function that needs it. I've not heard of any problems with the pump-up shock absorbers, but it is worth bearing in mind if the mounts are less than solid. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 22 05:31:34 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:31:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre References: <20050221.232928.572.0.jlb94@juno.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050221234642.026bd948@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Yup, me thinks ya got it, Dave :-)). And washers would have made it somewhat more safer. It will get done right. Another weirdo is that I never jack on the underside of the ball for fear of screwing up the threads, but in this case I did as I was using 2x's. I didn't know it was a bolt. Ya'll know why you cross safety chains....if two are used?? Took me a while to figger out that one. Well maybe we will all go out and do a good safety check on our hitches this spring and have a safe ride in the following months. Life is good! RickinMt. > > I've looked at the pictures at least a dozen times and think I have > discovered the problem. The hitch is rated for 4,000 lbs and the jack that > Rick used was 2 1/4 ton! Plain as day right there in > http://community.webshots.com/photo/267622410/279540064rNbdde Once you > realize that the jack is rated 500 lbs more than the hitch it all falls > into place--or out of place as this case may be! > Dave > PS, As Dolly would say EAZY PEAZY! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 22 05:34:56 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:34:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre References: 172059496 <15f901c51886$69f2eee0$0201010a@Portable> Message-ID: Yes Ray...I try to use only 1" shanked balls with nut. Probably will install a receiver hitch on "Toy Let" and that way it will also have provisions for safety chains....although I don't plan on towing much with it. Thanks Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "R and E Freeman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre > Rick,I also notice it was one of those brass or bronze? balls. I never > used > them since I had the bolt on one snap on me. I found that over time the > mounting face distorts from the towing force so that its not flat. What > happens then is that it starts flexing the bolt which eventually breaks > from > fatigue. I now use only good quality steel ones. > > Ray Freeman > > Portable Line Boring > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > plb at plb.iinet.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:08 AM > Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre > > > > Howdy all; > > Went to put new shocks on my newly acquired Landcruiser. Put the floor > > jack under the trailer ball: > > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/267622410/279540064rNbdde > > > > and look what happened after a couple of pumps on the jack handle: > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/279538561/279538561ClfHSm > > > > Popped right out. This is the type of ball that mounts with a bolt. > > > > Considering myself damn lucky today!!!!!!!!! > > > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Feb 22 06:57:04 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:57:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre In-Reply-To: <6f6025160502220001112cbc00@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160502220001112cbc00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42791.165.206.180.118.1109084224.squirrel@antique-engines.com> I can't believe anyone would actually jack a vehicle by the hitch anyway. I'd never even think of it. I go straight to the differential and don't use blocks. Those blocks can tip and slide - yes, I've watched a fellow dump his car when that happened to him. As the vehicle raises, the angle on those blocks increases - he was a lucky one - he was not yet under it. I also know a local fellow who was crushed under his car pulling a similar stunt. His young son went to get him for supper, except papa had already had his last meal. Junior will never forget THAT sight. What's keeping those blocks there? You aren't exactly pushing straight up with that setup. It's plain dangerous - even with good tight balls...... (oh, my - can't wait to see DAVE's COMMENTS!) We've had MANY long discussions on this same thing in another forum - wow, the things people do to raise and "support" their cars while working on them. 3,000 pounds of metal, glass and plastic and people don't think of it as more than a 100. Bill > On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:08:23 -0700, Richard Strobel > wrote: >> Howdy all; >> Went to put new shocks on my newly acquired Landcruiser. Put the floor >> jack under the trailer ball: >> >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/267622410/279540064rNbdde >> >> and look what happened after a couple of pumps on the jack handle: >> >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/279538561/279538561ClfHSm >> >> Popped right out. This is the type of ball that mounts with a bolt. >> >> Conside ring myself damn lucky today!!!!!!!!! >> >> RickinMt. > > That looks like there should have been a large plate/washer between > the bolt head and the bracket as Dave said. Very lucky that it hasn't > come out before! > > We use the two-hole fixing type balls (!) over here in the UK and > Europe, but an occasional check on the bolts (2 X 5/8" UNF) is always > worthwhile. The new van has covered nearly 25000 miles since Sept 26th > last year, and I'll be picking up the turret mill we bought on ebay > this week, so a quick spanner check is in order, and that goes for the > trailer coupling as well.... > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Feb 22 07:19:42 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:19:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #4 Message-ID: <421B4D8E.4000209@imc-group.com> This page is on the making of a Stickney fuel pump. This was by far the most difficult of the patterns and making it spanned 4 months. Initially I was planning on just making it solid with no core for the inside, to avoid all the work of making a core box. Little did I know I would end of having to make a core box to shape a portion of the outside! It took me a long time to understand why the corebox was needed and even longer to understand the negative draft problem that existed in the core box. Thanks to the patience of pattern maker/friend Al Owens I finally saw the light. Hope you enjoy. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/FuelPump/Thumbnails.html Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From tchristoff at earthlink.net Tue Feb 22 07:38:35 2005 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:38:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre Message-ID: <410-220052222153835140@earthlink.net> Aside from the point that the ball did come out and that the hole was too big, what the hell were you thinking anyway raising up a truck with a jack and a few pieces of 2 x 6's under the ball! Isn't this is how Darwin Canadiates are born? I am still wondering like a few others why you did take pictures of jacking up your truck? Tim Christoff Basehor, KS. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 22 07:41:40 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:41:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre References: <6f6025160502220001112cbc00@mail.gmail.com> <42791.165.206.180.118.1109084224.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Bill, I was just jacking it up a few inches to get better room for replacing the shocks. Tires never came off the ground, and stands were used..not shown in pix. And I concur with using the differential. In my stock car days it was scary the way the kids would jack their rigs up. We usually took our floor jack and stands over when we saw this. Thanks Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre > I can't believe anyone would actually jack a vehicle by the hitch anyway. > I'd never even think of it. I go straight to the differential and don't > use blocks. > Those blocks can tip and slide - yes, I've watched a fellow dump his car > when that happened to him. As the vehicle raises, the angle on those > blocks increases - he was a lucky one - he was not yet under it. > I also know a local fellow who was crushed under his car pulling a similar > stunt. His young son went to get him for supper, except papa had already > had his last meal. Junior will never forget THAT sight. > > What's keeping those blocks there? You aren't exactly pushing straight up > with that setup. > It's plain dangerous - even with good tight balls...... > > (oh, my - can't wait to see DAVE's COMMENTS!) > > We've had MANY long discussions on this same thing in another forum - wow, > the things people do to raise and "support" their cars while working on > them. 3,000 pounds of metal, glass and plastic and people don't think of > it as more than a 100. > > Bill > > > On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:08:23 -0700, Richard Strobel > > wrote: > >> Howdy all; > >> Went to put new shocks on my newly acquired Landcruiser. Put the > >> floor > >> jack under the trailer ball: > >> > >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/267622410/279540064rNbdde > >> > >> and look what happened after a couple of pumps on the jack handle: > >> > >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/279538561/279538561ClfHSm > >> > >> Popped right out. This is the type of ball that mounts with a bolt. > >> > >> Conside > ring myself damn lucky today!!!!!!!!! > >> > >> RickinMt. > > > > That looks like there should have been a large plate/washer between > > the bolt head and the bracket as Dave said. Very lucky that it hasn't > > come out before! > > > > We use the two-hole fixing type balls (!) over here in the UK and > > Europe, but an occasional check on the bolts (2 X 5/8" UNF) is always > > worthwhile. The new van has covered nearly 25000 miles since Sept 26th > > last year, and I'll be picking up the turret mill we bought on ebay > > this week, so a quick spanner check is in order, and that goes for the > > trailer coupling as well.... > > > > Peter > > -- > > Peter A Forbes > > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 22 07:49:11 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:49:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #4 References: <421B4D8E.4000209@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Wow!! thanks pard and Corky agrees. We are really impressed and you taught and showed us a lot. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:19 AM Subject: [SEL] Patterns #4 > This page is on the making of a Stickney fuel pump. This was by far the > most difficult of the patterns and making it spanned 4 months. Initially > I was planning on just making it solid with no core for the inside, to > avoid all the work of making a core box. Little did I know I would end > of having to make a core box to shape a portion of the outside! It took > me a long time to understand why the corebox was needed and even longer > to understand the negative draft problem that existed in the core box. > Thanks to the patience of pattern maker/friend Al Owens I finally saw > the light. > Hope you enjoy. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/FuelPump/Thumbnails.html > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Feb 22 08:19:06 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:19:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] The Stickney Fuel Pump Project & GEM In-Reply-To: <421B4D8E.4000209@imc-group.com> References: <421B4D8E.4000209@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, Ya know, this Stickney fuel pump project (including the yet-to-come casting and machining and installing and first running) will make one helluva interesting series of articles for GEM. I hope you are planning on such a series of pieces? See ya, Arnie PS - You also need to include a bit about WHY you've taken the project on when you have a lovely gravity fed engine. 8-))) Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Curt wrote: > This page is on the making of a Stickney fuel pump. This was by far the > most difficult of the patterns and making it spanned 4 months. Initially > I was planning on just making it solid with no core for the inside, to > avoid all the work of making a core box. Little did I know I would end > of having to make a core box to shape a portion of the outside! It took > me a long time to understand why the corebox was needed and even longer > to understand the negative draft problem that existed in the core box. > Thanks to the patience of pattern maker/friend Al Owens I finally saw > the light. > Hope you enjoy. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/FuelPump/Thumbnails.html From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Feb 22 08:21:36 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:21:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160502220001112cbc00@mail.gmail.com> <42791.165.206.180.118.1109084224.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050222111807.026c5b38@mail.alltel.net> At 10:41 AM 2/22/2005, you wrote: >Bill, I was just jacking it up a few inches to get better room for replacing >the shocks. Tires never came off the ground, and stands were used..not >shown in pix. >Thanks >Rick Hi Rick, What several who jumped on you for using the bumper hitch to raise the truck failed to take into account is that raising it by the differential would NOT have accomplished what you were trying to accomplish! Dave From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Feb 22 08:31:49 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:31:49 EST Subject: [SEL] Spyware Message-ID: <9d.5a11c2d5.2f4cb875@aol.com> Hi List, Here is a antispyware program made by Microsoft. It is still in the beta stage. It seems to work for me. It has caught some items which my other program failed to find. _Download details: Windows AntiSpyware (Beta)_ (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=321cd7a2-6a57-4c57-a8bd-dbf62eda9671&DisplayLang=e n) _http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=321cd7a2-6a57-4c57-a8bd-dbf62eda9671&DisplayLang=en_ (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=321cd7a2-6a57-4c57-a8bd-dbf62eda9671&DisplayLang=en) (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=321cd7a2-6a57-4c57-a8bd-dbf62eda9671&DisplayLang=en) Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Feb 22 08:51:29 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:51:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Life Is Good! Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050222114036.0263f1e8@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, On Monday (less than a week) I'll leave for the show in Zolfo FL. Since it's about 1,100 miles from my home in Western PA, I thought I'd better see if the 15 HP Screen Cooled IHC would start and run before taking it that far away from home. (I just hate it when I'm that far away and have to run home for some tool or part that I need to repair an engine!) So yesterday I set the IHC up in my driveway and today attempted to start it. It is about 38 degrees and things did not spin as fast as they did last fall when it was 75 degrees--or perhaps it has something to do with my being a year older than I was last year. In any event, after oiling everything and turning the flywheels over about 5 times it went BANG! I listened to it's music for about 2 minutes and then shut it down and put the tarp on it. If any of you are getting down to FL for the Zolfo Show stop by and see me. I'll be in space #6, right near the office. I'll be attending at least one show on the way home as well, but haven't yet figured out which one. Dave PS, Live is GOOD! From curt at imc-group.com Tue Feb 22 09:00:51 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:00:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Stickney Fuel Pump Project & GEM In-Reply-To: References: <421B4D8E.4000209@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <421B6543.5030802@imc-group.com> Arnie, Truthfully it hadn't even crossed my mind..... Why? The more bells and whistles on an engine the better. I just feel that being able to see the fuel in the site glass is pretty kewl. As for return on time invested I'll never have a prayer of recouping my time! But that's why we call this a hobby instead of a business. For several years I've been designing patterns for parts for our forging machines. The process of making the patterns looked interesting and the Stickney project seemed like a good one to start with. Curt Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Curt, > >Ya know, this Stickney fuel pump project (including the yet-to-come >casting and machining and installing and first running) will make one >helluva interesting series of articles for GEM. I hope you are planning >on such a series of pieces? > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - You also need to include a bit about WHY you've taken the project on >when you have a lovely gravity fed engine. 8-))) > > > From George_Best at adp.com Tue Feb 22 08:53:57 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:53:57 -0800 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre Message-ID: Rick, On Saturday I jacked up the rear of my pickup by the receiver hitch. So you're not alone in doing so. However, I didn't take pictures ;-) In my case I was replacing the rear spring shackles, so jacking up the differential would not have helped at that point. I did jack up the differential, but that was later when I needed to raise it to get the top shackle bolts out. I did use jack stands after I had raised the rear of the pickup enough to get the tires just off the ground, so I suppose that technically I could have used the differential for jacking since the jack stands were what ultimately held the rear of the pickup up. I've had enough complaints from people saying that my truck rode like a truck, which it does. So I installed some Velvet Ride spring shackles. In the few short trips I've made after installing the new shackles, I'm convinced they work pretty well at smoothing out the ride when running without a load in the pickup bed. Email me off list if you want more Velvet Ride info. I'd rather see engine postings on the list than more off topic stuff. Just wanted to let Rick and others know he wasn't alone in lifting by the hitch. He's still alone in taking pictures! ;-) ( wonder what else he takes pictures of when he's doing it? ) WAIT George From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Feb 22 08:58:24 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:58:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050222111807.026c5b38@mail.alltel.net> References: <6f6025160502220001112cbc00@mail.gmail.com> <42791.165.206.180.118.1109084224.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050222111807.026c5b38@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <43992.165.206.180.118.1109091504.squirrel@antique-engines.com> But jacking by the frame would have........ Bill > At 10:41 AM 2/22/2005, you wrote: >>Bill, I was just jacking it up a few inches to get better room for >> replacing >>the shocks. Tires never came off the ground, and stands were used..not >>shown in pix. >>Thanks >>Rick > > Hi Rick, > What several who jumped on you for using the bumper hitch to > raise the truck failed to take into account is that raising it by the > differential would NOT have accomplished what you were trying to > accomplish! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Feb 22 09:03:31 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:03:31 -0000 Subject: [SEL] How others see us. Message-ID: <001701c51900$712c9a10$8c9f0952@no1> Passed on from the UK engine group. See http://www.realclassic.co.uk/ridesfiles/rides03102700.html Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 09:05:58 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:05:58 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Slant on vintage machinery (the engine powered kind) Message-ID: <6f602516050222090535d19a07@mail.gmail.com> This was posted by Nick Highfield to the Stationary Engine newsgroup: http://www.realclassic.co.uk/ridesfiles/rides03102700.html Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From George_Best at adp.com Tue Feb 22 09:06:15 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:06:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Stickney show Message-ID: Has anyone heard about a Stickney show being held in Stickney SD around the 4th of July? I talked to a Stickney guy during the winter and he was telling me about this show. However, I haven't seen any mention of this show in any of the publications. I'm thinking of taking my Stickney to this show as it is fairly unique as it has all the options, fuel pump as well as dynamo for running without batteries. Any other Stickney owners on this list interested in going? WAIT George From George_Best at adp.com Tue Feb 22 09:14:13 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:14:13 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Another Stickney question Message-ID: After posting my last message about the Stickney show, I was wondering how many list members have one or more Stickneys. Who has a Stickney? Does the engine list collectively own most of the various sizes and models that Stickney made? I've only got one Stickney, which is a 7hp fuel pump engine. I know Curt has a 5hp gravity fed engine (soon to be converted to fuel pump) I know a few other people lurking on the list with Stickneys, including some rare ones, but will let them speak up if they want to. WAIT George From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Feb 22 09:23:59 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:23:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre In-Reply-To: <43992.165.206.180.118.1109091504.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <6f6025160502220001112cbc00@mail.gmail.com> <42791.165.206.180.118.1109084224.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050222111807.026c5b38@mail.alltel.net> <43992.165.206.180.118.1109091504.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <421B6AAF.8030000@scrtc.com> You're right Bill but by looking at the photos, the rear cross member (I don't think its simply the bumper) he was jacking up was as close to the frame as he could probably get. I'm just thankful that the ball popped out in this process instead of him traveling down the road at 65 mph and lose 2 tons of iron behind him. Losing the iron wouldn't be a big issue as I've lost some of it in the past. But, if a runaway trailer were to cross a median and hit an oncoming vehicle the results could be tragic. I know Jim Withers had a ball come off of a pickup once and he had a 15 HP Famous on a trailer behind him. He told me he felt it jolt and when he looked in his rear view mirror he saw the trailer flipping over in the median and flywheel pieces were flying everywhere. It made a junker out of a good engine. No one was hurt so the end result wasn't as bad as it possibly could have been. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >But jacking by the frame would have........ > >Bill > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Feb 22 09:37:54 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:37:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: How others see us. In-Reply-To: <001701c51900$712c9a10$8c9f0952@no1> References: <001701c51900$712c9a10$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: Hi Dave, OK, at first this bloke pissed me off with... "Having built up the anticipation, I led them past the (very strange) people with their stationary engines..." But he redeemed himself at the end with... "Bizarre engineering, imminent danger, raw power, and destruction." That pretty much does describe our beloved old iron. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Dave Croft wrote: > Passed on from the UK engine group. > See http://www.realclassic.co.uk/ridesfiles/rides03102700.html From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 10:13:01 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:13:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Life Is Good! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050222114036.0263f1e8@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050222114036.0263f1e8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160502221013bf38dc8@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:51:29 -0500, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, > On Monday (less than a week) I'll leave for the show in Zolfo FL. Since > it's about 1,100 miles from my home in Western PA, I thought I'd better see > if the 15 HP Screen Cooled IHC would start and run before taking it that > far away from home. (I just hate it when I'm that far away and have to run > home for some tool or part that I need to repair an engine!) > So yesterday I set the IHC up in my driveway and today attempted to start > it. It is about 38 degrees and things did not spin as fast as they did last > fall when it was 75 degrees--or perhaps it has something to do with my > being a year older than I was last year. In any event, after oiling > everything and turning the flywheels over about 5 times it went BANG! I > listened to it's music for about 2 minutes and then shut it down and put > the tarp on it. > If any of you are getting down to FL for the Zolfo Show stop by and see > me. I'll be in space #6, right near the office. I'll be attending at least > one show on the way home as well, but haven't yet figured out which one. > Dave > PS, Live is GOOD! Enjoy the show, Dave and have a safe trip. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Feb 22 10:32:06 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:32:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre In-Reply-To: <43992.165.206.180.118.1109091504.squirrel@antique-engines. com> References: <6f6025160502220001112cbc00@mail.gmail.com> <42791.165.206.180.118.1109084224.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050222111807.026c5b38@mail.alltel.net> <43992.165.206.180.118.1109091504.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050222133056.0d715b98@mail.alltel.net> So would using a sky hook! So what's your point? Dave At 11:58 AM 2/22/2005, you wrote: >But jacking by the frame would have........ > >Bill > > > At 10:41 AM 2/22/2005, you wrote: > >>Bill, I was just jacking it up a few inches to get better room for > >> replacing > >>the shocks. Tires never came off the ground, and stands were used..not > >>shown in pix. > >>Thanks > >>Rick > > > > Hi Rick, > > What several who jumped on you for using the bumper hitch to > > raise the truck failed to take into account is that raising it by the > > differential would NOT have accomplished what you were trying to > > accomplish! > > Dave > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Feb 22 10:56:33 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:56:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but bizarre In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi George, Please send me info on this "Velvet Ride." When Dave & I talked to Bambi & Nitro about it they seemed pretty excited. I guess its a "West Coast" thing? See ya, Arnie On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, George Best wrote: > Email me off list if you want more Velvet Ride info. From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Feb 22 11:27:41 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:27:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stickney show In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050222142642.0d6fe5b0@mail.alltel.net> At 12:06 PM 2/22/2005, you wrote: >Has anyone heard about a Stickney show being held in Stickney SD around >the 4th of July? >WAIT George Hi WAIT George, Nothing in the Show Directory for SD. Dave From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Feb 22 11:51:29 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:51:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050222133056.0d715b98@mail.alltel.net> References: <6f6025160502220001112cbc00@mail.gmail.com> <42791.165.206.180.118.1109084224.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050222111807.026c5b38@mail.alltel.net> <43992.165.206.180.118.1109091504.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050222133056.0d715b98@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <46364.165.206.180.118.1109101889.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Skyhooks kill birds so are environmentally unsafe...... 'tis ok, Dave, I really shouldn't give a rat's patuty who dies or lives. It's simply natural selection and democracy at work...... so why on earth would I care? > So would using a sky hook! So what's your point? > Dave > > > At 11:58 AM 2/22/2005, you wrote: >>But jacking by the frame would have........ >> >>Bill >> >> > At 10:41 AM 2/22/2005, you wrote: >> >>Bill, I was just jacking it up a few inches to get better room for >> >> replacing >> >>the shocks. Tires never came off the ground, and stands were >> used..not >> >>shown in pix. >> >>Thanks >> >>Rick >> > >> > Hi Rick, >> > What several who jumped on you for using the bumper hitch to >> > raise the truck failed to take into account is that raising it by the >> > differential would NOT have accomplished what you were trying to >> > accomplish! >> > Dave >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Feb 22 12:18:53 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:18:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another Stickney question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <421B93AD.3020204@scrtc.com> George, I hadn't heard of the Stickney show. I've got a 1 1/2 HP (not a 1 3/4) that has the fuel pump on it. It can be seen in these photos: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30063200&p=60452045 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30063200&p=60452049 I've got one of the Stickney Jrs (sometimes called Harvard Stickney). Here's a photo of it: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30990428&p=65974575 Stickney's aren't the rarest of engines but they certainly are different. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >After posting my last message about the Stickney show, I was wondering >how many list members have one or more Stickneys. > >Who has a Stickney? > >Does the engine list collectively own most of the various sizes and >models that Stickney made? > >I've only got one Stickney, which is a 7hp fuel pump engine. > >I know Curt has a 5hp gravity fed engine (soon to be converted to fuel >pump) > >I know a few other people lurking on the list with Stickneys, including >some rare ones, but will let them speak up if they want to. > >WAIT George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 12:23:38 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:23:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] How others see us. In-Reply-To: <001701c51900$712c9a10$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: <20050222202339.71152.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for sharing that, Dave!! The guy is a bit warpped, but I know there are people like that out there. Like a feller I grew up with,,, I emailed him to ask a question about the farm he grew up on. I wanted to get his perspective on something. He went off on "That Dump,,,," He wrote how much he had hated living with all that junk around. How he never could invite any of his school friends to come visit and such. I always loved visiting there. I liked all the old toyes. His dad is still more my dad than his. I have the 1885 Majestic woodburning range from that farm out in my garage. Plus that is where my 1914 Letz model 8 Feed Grinder came from. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- Dave Croft wrote: > Passed on from the UK engine group. See http://www.realclassic.co.uk/ridesfiles/rides03102700.html > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 13:15:10 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:15:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre Pictures?? In-Reply-To: <410-220052222153835140@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20050222211510.92371.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com> Tim and others,,, Go read all of Rick's posts on this topic. He didn't take either picture until the ball popped out. Then he took a picture and put the ball back in there for a set-up to take a "before" picture. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- Tim Christoff wrote: > Aside from the point that the ball did come out and that the hole was too > big, what the hell were you thinking anyway raising up a truck with a jack > and a few pieces of 2 x 6's under the ball! Isn't this is how Darwin > Canadiates are born? I am still wondering like a few others why you did > take pictures of jacking up your truck? > > Tim Christoff > Basehor, KS. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ABuisse at aol.com Tue Feb 22 13:31:34 2005 From: ABuisse at aol.com (ABuisse at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:31:34 EST Subject: [SEL] Another Stickney question Message-ID: <1e1.367af6de.2f4cfeb6@aol.com> Well, I have a 5hp and a 7 hp all gravity feed. Personally I think there a dandy of an engine. Curt are you casting extra fuel pumps? Thanks Aime From ABuisse at aol.com Tue Feb 22 13:34:31 2005 From: ABuisse at aol.com (ABuisse at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:34:31 EST Subject: [SEL] Re:Another Stickney question Message-ID: <83.21e21ffc.2f4cff67@aol.com> Well, I have a 5hp and a 7 hp all gravity feed.? Personally I think there a dandy of an engine.? Curt are you casting extra fuel pumps? Thanks Aime From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 22 16:50:15 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:50:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. OCR Software - Need Recommendation Message-ID: <002401c51941$a657fcc0$230110ac@PAUL> I need to purchase some OCR software that I can use to copy some forms into the computer. My wife has been using an old typewriter to type up Work Orders and Transmittal Deposits at her part time job where she manages an apartment complex. The owners installed a new Computer system last year but she continued to hang onto the old typewriter to type her checks, work orders, and deposit transmittals. Now that the old typewriter has given up the ghost I need to be able to scan these forms into the computer and then let her fill them out on the pc and print them. I am looking for an economical solution so what do you folks recommend? Thanks, Paul From Vivas1993 at aol.com Tue Feb 22 17:40:28 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:40:28 EST Subject: [SEL] Another Stickney question Message-ID: <66.5167a44e.2f4d390c@aol.com> Hi George, I own a 3hp Stickney # 69xx, or at least a good part of one. It was converted to a wood splitter many years ago, I hope to have it restored one day if I live long enough ! I've found several parts, but still needed are a piston & rod, head, igniter, & cambox assembly. It's a gravity feed model. Any leads on the needed parts sure would be appreciated !!! Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From billalan at busynet.net Tue Feb 22 18:41:30 2005 From: billalan at busynet.net (Bill Herreid) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:41:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] sorta O/T but safety related and bizarre In-Reply-To: <43992.165.206.180.118.1109091504.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <6f6025160502220001112cbc00@mail.gmail.com> <42791.165.206.180.118.1109084224.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050222111807.026c5b38@mail.alltel.net> <43992.165.206.180.118.1109091504.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <421BED5A.6050701@busynet.net> > > >But jacking by the frame would have........ > >Bill > ...never let him know the hitch was failing??? From the Cheddar Curtain - Bill From old_iron at msn.com Tue Feb 22 18:53:29 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:53:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. OCR Software - Need Recommendation In-Reply-To: <002401c51941$a657fcc0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: Your scanner should have come with some decent OCR software, I have and HP 3500C and it's OCR is dynomite, the best part is that is totally compatable with both Word and Excel. The other one I have used and still have a current copy of is "Paperport" it is fairly easy to use and will save a document as a "template" or just a form. This software as well as the HP software will also save a file in "fax" format as well as "email" format. Peg Pfeiffer >From: "Paul Maples" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine List" >Subject: [SEL] O.T. OCR Software - Need Recommendation >Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:50:15 -0600 > >I need to purchase some OCR software that I can use to copy some forms into >the computer. My wife has been using an old typewriter to type up Work >Orders and Transmittal Deposits at her part time job where she manages an >apartment complex. The owners installed a new Computer system last year but >she continued to hang onto the old typewriter to type her checks, work >orders, and deposit transmittals. Now that the old typewriter has given up >the ghost I need to be able to scan these forms into the computer and then >let her fill them out on the pc and print them. I am looking for an >economical solution so what do you folks recommend? > >Thanks, > >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From skipl at montana.com Tue Feb 22 20:43:26 2005 From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:43:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Another Stickney question References: Message-ID: <421C09EE.37CACAD1@montana.com> i have a 1 3/4 & a 7 horse that i need a fuel pump for. skip in nw montana George Best wrote: > After posting my last message about the Stickney show, I was wondering > how many list members have one or more Stickneys. > > Who has a Stickney? > > Does the engine list collectively own most of the various sizes and > models that Stickney made? > > I've only got one Stickney, which is a 7hp fuel pump engine. > > I know Curt has a 5hp gravity fed engine (soon to be converted to fuel > pump) > > I know a few other people lurking on the list with Stickneys, including > some rare ones, but will let them speak up if they want to. > > WAIT George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From skipl at montana.com Tue Feb 22 20:55:18 2005 From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:55:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The Stickney Fuel Pump Project & GEM References: <421B4D8E.4000209@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <421C0CB6.FA25C870@montana.com> arnie, if you haven't yet had these cast, i sure would buy one. skip in nw montana Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Curt, > > Ya know, this Stickney fuel pump project (including the yet-to-come > casting and machining and installing and first running) will make one > helluva interesting series of articles for GEM. I hope you are planning > on such a series of pieces? > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - You also need to include a bit about WHY you've taken the project on > when you have a lovely gravity fed engine. 8-))) > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Curt wrote: > > > This page is on the making of a Stickney fuel pump. This was by far the > > most difficult of the patterns and making it spanned 4 months. Initially > > I was planning on just making it solid with no core for the inside, to > > avoid all the work of making a core box. Little did I know I would end > > of having to make a core box to shape a portion of the outside! It took > > me a long time to understand why the corebox was needed and even longer > > to understand the negative draft problem that existed in the core box. > > Thanks to the patience of pattern maker/friend Al Owens I finally saw > > the light. > > Hope you enjoy. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/FuelPump/Thumbnails.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Feb 22 23:32:04 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:32:04 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis Message-ID: <200502230732.j1N7W8lI002839@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Been playing in the garage with engines, metal and electricity. http://engines.rustyiron.com/-electrolysis Have fun, work safe. Rob From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Feb 23 00:13:36 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:13:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis References: <200502230732.j1N7W8lI002839@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001901c5197f$935e50e0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Rob, Interesting set up, but I'm missing some pics I thought. There're several blanks between the text, or are the pics to large? John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Been playing in the garage with engines, metal and electricity. > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/-electrolysis > > Have fun, work safe. > Rob From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Feb 23 05:44:46 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 05:44:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis In-Reply-To: <001901c5197f$935e50e0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200502231344.j1NDimPA040728@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Interesting set up, but I'm missing some pics I thought. > There're several blanks between the text, or are the pics > to large? No John, all the pictures are just right. They display perfectly at 1280x1024 and look a little cramped at 1024x768. I'm aware that lower resolution monitors don't really display my higher resolution pictures very well, but that's the way I choose to do it. I'd be glad to further discuss web page philosophy offlist if anyone is interested. Rob From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 23 06:08:23 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:08:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis In-Reply-To: <200502230732.j1N7W8lI002839@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502230732.j1N7W8lI002839@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <56288.165.206.180.118.1109167703.squirrel@antique-engines.com> And if you don't like the results, reverse polarity and start over. Not much different than plating, except you are plating with "rust". Bill > Been playing in the garage with engines, metal and electricity. > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/-electrolysis > > Have fun, work safe. > Rob > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Feb 23 06:36:46 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:36:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis In-Reply-To: <200502230732.j1N7W8lI002839@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502230732.j1N7W8lI002839@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <421C94FE.8010407@imc-group.com> Wow Rob, as usual you do beautiful documentation of your projects. It is intestesting that you have to set up a process to create rust out west due to living in a very low humidity environment. Here in the east we only have to set a new part out the back door for a few weeks and between the humidity, rain, and heat we''ve quickly got a rusty chuck of iron laying there. Would be interested to see how a fresh casted and then shot or sand blasted part looks in your reverse electrolysis process. Blasted parts I've set out the back door to rust come out too orange for my preference. Think your rusting method might create a darker rust? Tell us more about the polish and oil combination you used to create the old patina? Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Rob Skinner wrote: >Been playing in the garage with engines, metal and electricity. > >http://engines.rustyiron.com/-electrolysis > >Have fun, work safe. >Rob > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Feb 23 06:49:35 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:49:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis References: <200502231344.j1NDimPA040728@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: There ya go Rob. Great documentation as always. I would say that it's electrolysis and then blasting that keep my Ho-Ho going in this hobby. We got a F-M piston water pump with the large accumulator (hydrostatic shock absorber) on top, cookin' in the tub as we speak. Going to try molasses one of these days. Corky also says that bleach will work..never tried it. later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 6:44 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis > > > Interesting set up, but I'm missing some pics I thought. > > There're several blanks between the text, or are the pics > > to large? > > No John, all the pictures are just right. They display > perfectly at 1280x1024 and look a little cramped > at 1024x768. I'm aware that lower resolution monitors > don't really display my higher resolution pictures very > well, but that's the way I choose to do it. > > I'd be glad to further discuss web page philosophy > offlist if anyone is interested. > > Rob > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Feb 23 07:18:39 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:18:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #5 Message-ID: <421C9ECF.2070804@imc-group.com> Well guys, this is the last of the 5 patterns on the Stickney conversion project. This documents the pattern making work to create a new funnel that sits on top of the water hopper on a 5HP Stickney. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/Funnel/Thumbnails.html You'll see I only created the portion of the funnel that is visible. I choose not to cast the intricate details that extend down inside the hopper below the waterline. In my opinion that part was over engineered. Anyone really know what that was for? I can only assume it was intended to get cooler water down low when refilling the hopper? This was the first poured core box I did. Knowing the low volume of cores to be made (perhaps 1 part) I tried to keep the cost low by using plaster. Don't think I'll try that again! There was more damage than I liked when removing the core plug. This meant a good deal of patch work after to ready it for the foundry. The good news was that the core plug came out in one piece. At least it can be reused if another core box is needed. The complete series of 5 parts can be found on this page: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/Thumbnails.html Hope you've enjoyed them. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Feb 23 07:11:23 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:11:23 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis References: <200502231344.j1NDimPA040728@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000b01c519b9$f1b8ee40$0ad50304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Rob, Very nicely done. This would make a nice GEM article, all you have to do is send the text and pics to Richard. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Feb 23 08:32:30 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:32:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #5 References: <421C9ECF.2070804@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Couple questions please: 1. At what size X,Y, or Z axis, does shrinkage come into play? 2. I assume you glue the 1x,s together as larger bass wood is not available. 3. Have you ever tried any other wood than bass, and if so, what was it? 4. How do Missy and Devin feel about moving out west where things don't rust so bad Will get down to the "Pattern Shop" soon and get some photo's..One will be a large "Ships Wheel" and a huge firebox bulkhead with 4 doors. Think you'll like'em. This IMO is definetly GEM material...Ship it to Richard!! later pard, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:18 AM Subject: [SEL] Patterns #5 > Well guys, this is the last of the 5 patterns on the Stickney conversion > project. This documents the pattern making work to create a new funnel > that sits on top of the water hopper on a 5HP Stickney. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/Funnel/Thumbnails.html > You'll see I only created the portion of the funnel that is visible. I > choose not to cast the intricate details that extend down inside the > hopper below the waterline. In my opinion that part was over engineered. > Anyone really know what that was for? I can only assume it was intended > to get cooler water down low when refilling the hopper? > > This was the first poured core box I did. Knowing the low volume of > cores to be made (perhaps 1 part) I tried to keep the cost low by using > plaster. Don't think I'll try that again! There was more damage than I > liked when removing the core plug. This meant a good deal of patch work > after to ready it for the foundry. The good news was that the core plug > came out in one piece. At least it can be reused if another core box is > needed. > > The complete series of 5 parts can be found on this page: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/Thumbnails.html > > Hope you've enjoyed them. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Feb 23 10:33:33 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:33:33 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #5 Message-ID: Rick, Here's the shrinkage amount for various types of metal. Iron - 1/8" per foot Steel - 1/4" per foot Aluminum - 5/32" per foot Brass - 3/16" per foot Whether you take into count the shrinkage on a part depends on how accurate you want to make the part to the original size. On small parts you may not notice the difference. WAIT George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Richard Strobel > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:33 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Patterns #5 > > Couple questions please: > > 1. At what size X,Y, or Z axis, does shrinkage come into play? From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Feb 23 11:03:35 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:03:35 EST Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis Message-ID: <1ab.32e1a6ad.2f4e2d87@aol.com> Hi Rob, Very nice. Thank you. Ron Carroll Clearmont, MIssouri, USA In a message dated 2/23/2005 2:46:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com writes: Been playing in the garage with engines, metal and electricity. http://engines.rustyiron.com/-electrolysis Have fun, work safe. Rob From marvhed at ecenet.com Wed Feb 23 11:41:49 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:41:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis-OT In-Reply-To: <1ab.32e1a6ad.2f4e2d87@aol.com> References: <1ab.32e1a6ad.2f4e2d87@aol.com> Message-ID: <33045.199.62.0.252.1109187709.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> another way would be the one that the old black powder rifle makers used to "brown" their rifle barrels, lean them against a tree and p-- on them. http://www.fholder.com/Blacksmithing/tips.htm "In summary, browning is ?controlled rusting that is stopped by the application of oil.? marv in minn From curt at imc-group.com Wed Feb 23 12:26:41 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:26:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #5 In-Reply-To: References: <421C9ECF.2070804@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <421CE701.7080800@imc-group.com> Richard Strobel wrote: >Couple questions please: > >1. At what size X,Y, or Z axis, does shrinkage come into play? > > Rick, It's on all axis (no clue how to spell the plural of axis). In other words it is the same all directions. Best bet when you start making patterns is to get a patterns makers scale for the shrinkage you are going to be working with. If cast iron for example it is 1/8 per foot. You measure off 10" and it will the correct size shrinkage accounted for. >2. I assume you glue the 1x,s together as larger bass wood is not >available. > > When I started this a cabinet maker buddy helped me and we used the materials he had. That was bass wood planned for whatever thickness cabinet makers use. >3. Have you ever tried any other wood than bass, and if so, what was it? > > Poplar is my favorite to work with. I did buy some spanish cedar too. It's fine to work with and very aromatic. Makes the shop smell great! >4. How do Missy and Devin feel about moving out west where things don't >rust so bad > > I'd love to move to a dryer cooler climate, especially one that gets real cold and snowy in the winter. Aging mother confines my wandering gene. Someday we will experience life in other regions of the country...... >Will get down to the "Pattern Shop" soon and get some photo's..One will be a >large "Ships Wheel" and a huge firebox bulkhead with 4 doors. Think you'll >like'em. > > In one of the pattern books I was reading when starting this process, was a picture of a pattern used to make the air intake for a huge ship. It must have been 8' in diamter and doG knows how long. Can you imagine the ladle to pour this! How about the flasks to ram it! > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 23 14:45:08 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:45:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Latest Charlie update - Going Home Message-ID: <00c801c519f9$5e154310$230110ac@PAUL> Well Gang here is the message we have been waiting to get. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard R Allen" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 4:30 PM Subject: Latest Charlie update > Hello All, > Looks as if I am to lose my high paying secretarial job. Had a call about > an hour ago from Charlie asking me to send out this to his friends. He > is doing very well. He asked me to tell you of today's activities. He had > two therapies involving walking, exercising arms and did stairs 3 X's 10 > the first and 20 the next two times. He had a manicure!! A Harvard > Medical student interviewed him and gave him a check up--this involved an > hour. He called me just now to tell me the student came back with a team > of 5 who checked him over. The Dr was in and it appears he will be > released Monday. He asked me to thank you for your prayers--they worked! > Can you believe it was 2 1/2 weeks ago he had the risky surgery! > Another call--- > Latest addition from another call--he had just had a call from his > granddaughter in N H. --she will go for him Monday to take him to her > place for few days so he will have a chance to enjoy his 3 great > grandchildren--this will help him adjust to being out of Rehab as > well--before coming on to Maine. > > If any change I will keep you informed. Please feel free to contact me > --I really haven't minded this secretarial job!! > Charlie's sister, > Lois PS Thank you ,Paul, for letting the fellows know what has been > going on!! > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Feb 23 14:56:14 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:56:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #5 References: <421C9ECF.2070804@imc-group.com> <421CE701.7080800@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Thanks much Curt and George!! Will be looking for a pattern makers scale. Well headed up north with Spud in the mornin' to pick up this belt driven water pump. Weather should be in the high 50's and hopefully not much wind. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Patterns #5 > Richard Strobel wrote: > > >Couple questions please: > > > >1. At what size X,Y, or Z axis, does shrinkage come into play? > > > > > Rick, > It's on all axis (no clue how to spell the plural of axis). In other > words it is the same all directions. Best bet when you start making > patterns is to get a patterns makers scale for the shrinkage you are > going to be working with. If cast iron for example it is 1/8 per foot. > You measure off 10" and it will the correct size shrinkage accounted for. > > >2. I assume you glue the 1x,s together as larger bass wood is not > >available. > > > > > When I started this a cabinet maker buddy helped me and we used the > materials he had. That was bass wood planned for whatever thickness > cabinet makers use. > > >3. Have you ever tried any other wood than bass, and if so, what was it? > > > > > Poplar is my favorite to work with. I did buy some spanish cedar too. > It's fine to work with and very aromatic. Makes the shop smell great! > > >4. How do Missy and Devin feel about moving out west where things don't > >rust so bad > > > > > I'd love to move to a dryer cooler climate, especially one that gets > real cold and snowy in the winter. Aging mother confines my wandering > gene. Someday we will experience life in other regions of the > country...... > > >Will get down to the "Pattern Shop" soon and get some photo's..One will > >be a > >large "Ships Wheel" and a huge firebox bulkhead with 4 doors. Think > >you'll > >like'em. > > > > > In one of the pattern books I was reading when starting this process, > was a picture of a pattern used to make the air intake for a huge ship. > It must have been 8' in diamter and doG knows how long. Can you imagine > the ladle to pour this! How about the flasks to ram it! > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Feb 23 15:49:53 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:49:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis-OT In-Reply-To: <33045.199.62.0.252.1109187709.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <1ab.32e1a6ad.2f4e2d87@aol.com> <33045.199.62.0.252.1109187709.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Hey Marv, One word of advice... Don't combine the methods. Pissing on the electrical leads from the energized arc welder might "light up your life." See ya, Arnie PS - If you DO combine the methods, Dave wants to recruit you for buzz coil testing. On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > another way would be the one that the old black powder rifle makers used > to "brown" their rifle barrels, lean them against a tree and p-- on them. From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Feb 23 16:00:39 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:00:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Patterns #5 In-Reply-To: References: <421C9ECF.2070804@imc-group.com> <421CE701.7080800@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Rick, What you need is a "shrink rule." http://catalog.starrett.com/catalog/catalog/groups.asp?GroupID=549 Just make DAMN sure that you keep it where you won't use it for "normal" measurements. Trust me on that one!! See ya, Arnie On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Richard Strobel wrote: > Thanks much Curt and George!! Will be looking for a pattern makers scale. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > > It's on all axis (no clue how to spell the plural of axis). In other > > words it is the same all directions. Best bet when you start making > > patterns is to get a patterns makers scale for the shrinkage you are > > going to be working with. If cast iron for example it is 1/8 per foot. > > You measure off 10" and it will the correct size shrinkage accounted for. From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Feb 23 16:13:31 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:13:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis In-Reply-To: <421C94FE.8010407@imc-group.com> References: <200502230732.j1N7W8lI002839@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <421C94FE.8010407@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hey Curt, they have TV in North Carolina? You might want to watch the national weather from time to time. KA is setting all time records for rainfall. I don't think anyone there would say they had a "very low humidity environment." 8-)) http://www.elitestv.com/pub/2005/Feb/EEN421ccdc88f053.html See ya, Arnie On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Curt wrote: > Wow Rob, as usual you do beautiful documentation of your projects. > It is intestesting that you have to set up a process to create rust out > west due to living in a very low humidity environment. Here in the east > we only have to set a new part out the back door for a few weeks and > between the humidity, rain, and heat we''ve quickly got a rusty chuck of > iron laying there. From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Feb 23 12:18:25 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:18:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis In-Reply-To: <200502230732.j1N7W8lI002839@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502230732.j1N7W8lI002839@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050223151738.02200d38@mail.alltel.net> Interesting Rob. Thanks for the lesson! Dave At 02:32 AM 2/23/2005, you wrote: >Been playing in the garage with engines, metal and electricity. >http://engines.rustyiron.com/-electrolysis >Have fun, work safe. >Rob From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Feb 23 12:17:06 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:17:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #5 In-Reply-To: <421C9ECF.2070804@imc-group.com> References: <421C9ECF.2070804@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050223151522.021e1920@mail.alltel.net> VERY nice series Curt. I enjoyed and LEARNED! I concur 100% that this needs to be sent to GEM. Others (not on the List) need to learn as well! Dave At 10:18 AM 2/23/2005, you wrote: >Well guys, this is the last of the 5 patterns on the Stickney conversion >project. This documents the pattern making work to create a new funnel >that sits on top of the water hopper on a 5HP Stickney. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/Funnel/Thumbnails.html >You'll see I only created the portion of the funnel that is visible. I >choose not to cast the intricate details that extend down inside the >hopper below the waterline. In my opinion that part was over engineered. >Anyone really know what that was for? I can only assume it was intended to >get cooler water down low when refilling the hopper? > >This was the first poured core box I did. Knowing the low volume of cores >to be made (perhaps 1 part) I tried to keep the cost low by using plaster. >Don't think I'll try that again! There was more damage than I liked when >removing the core plug. This meant a good deal of patch work after to >ready it for the foundry. The good news was that the core plug came out in >one piece. At least it can be reused if another core box is needed. > >The complete series of 5 parts can be found on this page: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/Thumbnails.html > >Hope you've enjoyed them. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Feb 23 17:33:59 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:33:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #5 References: <421C9ECF.2070804@imc-group.com><421CE701.7080800@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Thanks Arn!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Patterns #5 > Hi Rick, > > What you need is a "shrink rule." > http://catalog.starrett.com/catalog/catalog/groups.asp?GroupID=549 > > Just make DAMN sure that you keep it where you won't use it for "normal" > measurements. Trust me on that one!! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Richard Strobel wrote: > > > Thanks much Curt and George!! Will be looking for a pattern makers > > scale. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Curt" > > > It's on all axis (no clue how to spell the plural of axis). In other > > > words it is the same all directions. Best bet when you start making > > > patterns is to get a patterns makers scale for the shrinkage you are > > > going to be working with. If cast iron for example it is 1/8 per foot. > > > You measure off 10" and it will the correct size shrinkage accounted > > > for. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Feb 23 18:35:44 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:35:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis In-Reply-To: <200502230732.j1N7W8lI002839@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200502230732.j1N7W8lI002839@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: That works great to rust iron or steel. So will any kind of "browning" solution. An old favorite of many gunsmiths is urine. Something I discovered when I was around 13 that'll almost instantly turn iron to rust is Clorox (sodium hypochlorite) mixed with vinegar to produce free hypochlorous acid. I took that a step further, having discovered electrolysis, and hooked up iron as the anode in a Clorox bath with a 6V battery. That'd make it melt away to red rust at an incredibly fast rate. Too much rust for just making a "patina," but if you really want nasty, pitted "antiquing," try it! John On Feb 23, 2005, at 2:32 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > Been playing in the garage with engines, metal and electricity. > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/-electrolysis > > Have fun, work safe. > Rob > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 24 04:36:02 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:36:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Latest Charlie update - Going Home References: <20050224012639.79155.qmail@web61310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004701c51a6d$688fd020$230110ac@PAUL> Hello Alan, Everyone is certainly welcome, we are really indebted to Charlie's sister Lois who kept us all updated. Charlie said he is looking forward to seeing everyone at Portland this year and I so hope I can make it. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "Paul Maples" Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Latest Charlie update - Going Home > That's GREAT news, Paul. > > Thank you very much for continuing to make these posts. > > Alan > > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Feb 24 04:49:22 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:49:22 EST Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis Message-ID: <8c.2167d61a.2f4f2752@aol.com> In a message dated 2/23/2005 9:53:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, johnculp at chartertn.net writes: << An old favorite of many gunsmiths is urine. >> And from what I have been told for some reason a pregnant woman's urine was even better to brown the old guns. Hacker Martin was a very well known black powder gun maker, living up the road a couple of miles from where we live. It is what he used. There is an article on his gun making in the Foxfire series of books. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From mholland at rustyiron.com Thu Feb 24 06:15:00 2005 From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:15:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #5 Message-ID: Curt forgot one little detail about using plaster to make the core box. In order to complete the drying, the box spent at least 24 hours in my kitchen oven at 150 degrees. So don't try this if the wife will not let you use the oven. Missy Holland Gastonia, NC > Well guys, this is the last of the 5 patterns on the Stickney conversion > project. This documents the pattern making work to create a new funnel > that sits on top of the water hopper on a 5HP Stickney. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/Funnel/Thu mbnails.html > You'll see I only created the portion of the funnel that is visible. I > choose not to cast the intricate details that extend down inside the > hopper below the waterline. In my opinion that part was over engineered. > Anyone really know what that was for? I can only assume it was intended > to get cooler water down low when refilling the hopper? > > This was the first poured core box I did. Knowing the low volume of > cores to be made (perhaps 1 part) I tried to keep the cost low by using > plaster. Don't think I'll try that again! There was more damage than I > liked when removing the core plug. This meant a good deal of patch work > after to ready it for the foundry. The good news was that the core plug > came out in one piece. At least it can be reused if another core box is > needed. > > The complete series of 5 parts can be found on this page: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PatternMaking/Thumbnails .html > > Hope you've enjoyed them. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Feb 24 06:45:25 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:45:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis In-Reply-To: <8c.2167d61a.2f4f2752@aol.com> References: <8c.2167d61a.2f4f2752@aol.com> Message-ID: <4096.165.206.180.118.1109256325.squirrel@antique-engines.com> 'tis true - and some electronics companies used to ban women from assembly line when pregnant or during certain other times because of increased acids on the skin. It had an affect, according to them, on the fine componant connections and finishes. > In a message dated 2/23/2005 9:53:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, > johnculp at chartertn.net writes: > > << An old favorite of many gunsmiths is urine. >> > > > And from what I have been told for some reason a pregnant woman's urine > was > even better to brown the old guns. Hacker Martin was a very well known > black > powder gun maker, living up the road a couple of miles from where we live. > It > is what he used. There is an article on his gun making in the Foxfire > series > of books. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 24 07:54:49 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:54:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050224105330.026c5e30@mail.alltel.net> > So don't try this if the wife will >not let you use the oven. >Missy Holland Hi Missy, We have known for a long time that Curt's wife is much, MUCH better than he deserves! Dave From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Feb 24 02:20:41 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:20:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Patterns #5 References: <421C9ECF.2070804@imc-group.com><421CE701.7080800@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <048301c51aa9$e3dc7bc0$3d111bd3@reg> I sorta feel there might be a story in there somewhere Arnie??? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > Just make DAMN sure that you keep it where you won't use it for "normal" > measurements. Trust me on that one!! > > See ya, Arnie From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Feb 24 17:15:17 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:15:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis In-Reply-To: <4096.165.206.180.118.1109256325.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <8c.2167d61a.2f4f2752@aol.com> <4096.165.206.180.118.1109256325.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <1500a716d69fbfc67ffb60311e25775d@chartertn.net> This is interesting, because in recent days I've learned on the Tube Collectors Association mailing list that the tube manufacturers learned from experience that they had to ban women at certain times of the month from working with the fine iron wire used in barretter or "ballast" tubes. Their perspiration was too corrosive. Another member reported that AWA in Australia encountered the same problem with the fine wire in wireless coils. Another wondered if that meant that ALL the women in the plant eventually got a monthly holiday due to the common phenomenon of cycle synchronization. John On Feb 24, 2005, at 9:45 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > 'tis true - and some electronics companies used to ban women from > assembly > line when pregnant or during certain other times because of increased > acids on the skin. It had an affect, according to them, on the fine > componant connections and finishes. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 24 17:27:29 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:27:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Creating Antique Patina - Reverse Electrolysis In-Reply-To: <1500a716d69fbfc67ffb60311e25775d@chartertn.net> References: <8c.2167d61a.2f4f2752@aol.com> <4096.165.206.180.118.1109256325.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <1500a716d69fbfc67ffb60311e25775d@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050224202621.0e9a6128@mail.alltel.net> We, indeed, started down a slippery slope when we allowed women to work outside the home! Dave At 08:15 PM 2/24/2005, you wrote: >This is interesting, because in recent days I've learned on the Tube >Collectors Association mailing list that the tube manufacturers learned >from experience that they had to ban women at certain times of the month >from working with the fine iron wire used in barretter or "ballast" tubes. >Their perspiration was too corrosive. Another member reported that AWA in >Australia encountered the same problem with the fine wire in wireless >coils. Another wondered if that meant that ALL the women in the plant >eventually got a monthly holiday due to the common phenomenon of cycle >synchronization. > >John > >On Feb 24, 2005, at 9:45 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > >>'tis true - and some electronics companies used to ban women from assembly >>line when pregnant or during certain other times because of increased >>acids on the skin. It had an affect, according to them, on the fine >>componant connections and finishes. > > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Feb 25 07:08:56 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:08:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] F-M pump Message-ID: Well we headed up north yesterday and got the pump loaded..just a little bigger than I thot, but she's a dandy. Right side of Rockies in the background: http://community.webshots.com/photo/276385437/282150632HCZcmQ The unloading docks is one of my better BF's and that's the primer assy. on the left: http://community.webshots.com/photo/276385437/282150216DtctJV And then Harry M. sends me this photo of it's smaller brother: http://www.smokstak.com/gallery/files/1/DCP01313.JPG And we weren't even talking about them..whew!! Anyone know of any literature out there or how to decipher the tag? Hope ya enjoy RickinMt. From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Feb 25 08:58:32 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:58:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another Stickney question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi George, I have a 3 hp small cambox stickney, fuelpump model(but missing the pump). So I'm following Curt's thread closely and hoping I can get my hands on a set of castings. Good job Curt! Thanks, Steve Royster >From: "George Best" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] Another Stickney question >Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:14:13 -0800 > >After posting my last message about the Stickney show, I was wondering >how many list members have one or more Stickneys. > >Who has a Stickney? > >Does the engine list collectively own most of the various sizes and >models that Stickney made? > >I've only got one Stickney, which is a 7hp fuel pump engine. > >I know Curt has a 5hp gravity fed engine (soon to be converted to fuel >pump) > >I know a few other people lurking on the list with Stickneys, including >some rare ones, but will let them speak up if they want to. > >WAIT George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Fri Feb 25 15:15:09 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:15:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] mystery engine Message-ID: <410-22005252523159843@coastalnet.com> I was asked to help ID an engine that has "Minneapolis Iron Stove Company" on the nameplate. Pictures can be viewed at: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/minnie/ Thanks, Ken Christison christison at coastalnet.com www.oldiron-nut.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 25 17:02:05 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:02:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Original Stickney Cast Iron Coil (#7137021174) Message-ID: <1109379725.421fca8d5b668@webmail.city-net.com> Here's a hard-to-find goodie for you Stickney folks!! View this Item on eBay at http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D7137021174%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1&partner=777701 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Original Stickney Hit & Miss Gas Engine Cast Iron Coil Item number: 7137021174 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Seller: flywheelranger(1404) Positive Feedback: 99.9% Member since Feb-25-00 in United States Current bid: US $127.50 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Time left: 3 days 3 hours 7-day listing Ends Feb-28-0520:06:18 PST Item location: OZ Land United States Ships to: Worldwide ----------------------------------------------------------------- Summary Rare Original Charles A. Stickney Co. St. Paul, Minnesota Gas Engine Cast Iron Coil. Fits most sizes of Stickney enignes. Has two bolt mounting flange with holes on 4" centers. Has the 4-digit Stickney part number 1785. Good original engine coil, it is hot and has fire. Has had the wooden end cap replaced. Has original switch and end cap clamp. No cracks welds or repairs. See Photos! Check out my other auctions for old farm tractor and engine parts and collectibles! Buyer to pay actual shipping cost plus insurance if desired. I accept money orders and ship same day as received. Or personal checks with +10 feedback and it will take 10 days to clear. Thanks for Looking! ----------------------------------------------------------------- From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 25 18:18:28 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:18:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] BALL POINT Spark Plug (#6513756390) Message-ID: <1109384308.421fdc74ec474@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, Damn, this is one wierd spark plug! See ya, Arnie ----- Forwarded message from fero_ah at city-net.com ----- View this Item on eBay at http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D6513756390%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1&partner=777701 Summary This auction is for a very very rare and unusual Ball Point spark plug. It is in new old stock never been used condition with its original box and paperwork. The box has 1 end flap missing, but is still very nice an the plug is in excellent condition. The plug is 1/2" pipe threads and has a very unusual caged electrode configuration with the grounding electrode as an adjustment, and the center electrode has a ball at the end of it. Very nice old plug and very hard to find in any condition. From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Feb 25 19:25:04 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 22:25:04 EST Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update Message-ID: <20.3f770bfa.2f514610@aol.com> Hi List, Finally, the Fairbanks Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) has been completely disassembled. All the springs (governor, compensating, and throttle control) except for the valve springs and the speed control spring were unusable. The governor spring came out in many pieces. New ones have been ordered. Some previous owner had installed the valve adjust shims in the wrong order. The valve stems actually worn through the thin shims. The thick shim is the one that should make contact with the valve stem. The air fuel mixer valve butterfly was frozen and would not move. After a little careful application of the "flame wrench", penetrating oil, and a soaking in carburetor cleaner, the butterfly valve seems to operate correctly. The governor control rod and throttle activating assembly were also frozen. Again the heat wrench came to my aid. All parts are free. The bolt that holds the throttle activating assembly to the governor control rod snap during removal. Luckly, heating the unit with the flame wrench and application of penetrating oil, then being able to grab a part of the broken bolt with vise grips, it was removed. The bearing surfaces on the camshaft have been polish. There are rust pot holes on some of the surfaces. However, since this engine will not be operated in a work environment, these defects will not matter. Since the timing gear on the crankshaft was damaged, inquiries were made as the availability of a replacement usable unit. Fortunately for me, one of the members of our local engine club (Central Coast Vintage Machinery Association, Inc.) had a complete crankshaft assembly which he let me have for this engine. The crankshaft bearing surfaces have to be polished and one of the main bearing has to be replaced. A replacement bearing has been ordered. The governor assembly seems to be in fairly decent condition. None of the weights are deteriorated and work freely. There are two cotter pins which are installed as to prevent the governor weight pins from rotating. Does anyone why this was done in this manner? The magneto still has to be checked. The alloy magneto gear has little or no deterioration. No timing marks seem to be visable. Does this engine have timing marks on the timing gears or magneto gear? If there are no timing marks, how is this engine timed? Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Feb 26 06:15:44 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 09:15:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Original Stickney Cast Iron Coil (#7137021174) References: <1109379725.421fca8d5b668@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <00a801c51c0d$a921e2d0$9235ef18@pengy> Hmm I wonder if Curt is going to be making a pattern for this too! I think he should just go all out and start selling reproduction Stickney engines. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 8:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Original Stickney Cast Iron Coil (#7137021174) > Here's a hard-to-find goodie for you Stickney folks!! > > > View this Item on eBay at > http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D7137021174%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1&partner=777701 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Original Stickney Hit & Miss Gas Engine Cast Iron Coil > Item number: 7137021174 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Seller: flywheelranger(1404) > Positive Feedback: 99.9% > Member since Feb-25-00 in United States > Current bid: US $127.50 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Time left: 3 days 3 hours > 7-day listing > Ends Feb-28-0520:06:18 PST > > > Item location: OZ Land > United States > Ships to: Worldwide > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Summary > Rare Original Charles A. Stickney Co. St. Paul, Minnesota Gas Engine Cast > Iron > Coil. Fits most sizes of Stickney enignes. Has two bolt mounting flange > with > holes on 4" centers. Has the 4-digit Stickney part number 1785. Good > original > engine coil, it is hot and has fire. Has had the wooden end cap replaced. > Has > original switch and end cap clamp. No cracks welds or repairs. See > Photos! > Check out my other auctions for old farm tractor and engine parts and > collectibles! Buyer to pay actual shipping cost plus insurance if desired. > I > accept money orders and ship same day as received. Or personal checks with > +10 > feedback and it will take 10 days to clear. Thanks for Looking! > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Feb 26 07:07:23 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 08:07:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update References: <20.3f770bfa.2f514610@aol.com> Message-ID: Francis; Yes there are timing marks/methods. I believe it has something to do with the split in the case but let's not take that to the bank yet. Somewhere there is posted a manual for the "Z" but haven't found it yet. I thought it was on Harry's but have failed to find it. Will try gaggle. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 8:25 PM Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update > Hi List, > Finally, the Fairbanks Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) has been > completely disassembled. All the springs (governor, compensating, and > throttle > control) except for the valve springs and the speed control spring were > unusable. > The governor spring came out in many pieces. New ones have been ordered. > Some previous owner had installed the valve adjust shims in the wrong > order. > The valve stems actually worn through the thin shims. The thick shim is > the one that should make contact with the valve stem. > The air fuel mixer valve butterfly was frozen and would not move. After > a > little careful application of the "flame wrench", penetrating oil, and a > soaking in carburetor cleaner, the butterfly valve seems to operate > correctly. > The governor control rod and throttle activating assembly were also > frozen. > Again the heat wrench came to my aid. All parts are free. The bolt that > holds > the throttle activating assembly to the governor control rod snap during > removal. Luckly, heating the unit with the flame wrench and application > of > penetrating oil, then being able to grab a part of the broken bolt with > vise > grips, it was removed. > The bearing surfaces on the camshaft have been polish. There are rust > pot > holes on some of the surfaces. However, since this engine will not be > operated in a work environment, these defects will not matter. > Since the timing gear on the crankshaft was damaged, inquiries were made > as > the availability of a replacement usable unit. Fortunately for me, one > of > the members of our local engine club (Central Coast Vintage Machinery > Association, Inc.) had a complete crankshaft assembly which he let me have > for this > engine. The crankshaft bearing surfaces have to be polished and one of > the > main bearing has to be replaced. A replacement bearing has been ordered. > The governor assembly seems to be in fairly decent condition. None of > the > weights are deteriorated and work freely. There are two cotter pins > which are > installed as to prevent the governor weight pins from rotating. Does > anyone > why this was done in this manner? > The magneto still has to be checked. The alloy magneto gear has little > or > no deterioration. > No timing marks seem to be visable. Does this engine have timing marks > on > the timing gears or magneto gear? If there are no timing marks, how is > this > engine timed? > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 26 07:24:09 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:24:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Tod Engine Show (9/17-18) In-Reply-To: <00b101c5186e$ae412020$fdc19a18@pengy> References: <00b101c5186e$ae412020$fdc19a18@pengy> Message-ID: Hi Rick, Man, you sure picked a doozy of a weekend for this engine show. That's the weekend of the Sistersville WV show (9/15-18) and the Drake Well show in Titusville (9/17). Nonetheless, I'm planning on being at the Tod Engine one. Who knows, we might even be able to get all of the Wrecking Crew to attend and pose for a group photo. 8-)) Keep the list informed as the plans evolve. I'm sure that we'll be able to get a good turnout of running engines on display. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Tod Engine wrote: > I'm itching to get back to work on the Tod Engine display site. I have > talked to a contractor with a skid steer with auger to drill the holes > for the foundation piers for the display pavilion, and once we get a few > nice days I'll get him out there to do the work. Then I'll get a few > forms in place and start pouring the next portion of the concrete > display slab. One way or another the concrete work will get done > this spring and the remainder of the engine gets moved to the site this > summer (or fall depending upon how busy the riggers are!) > > Maybe you've noticed in the new show directory that we are listed for > having a show on September 17 and 18. This is the goal that I have set > for having enough of the site ready for our first open house and > hopefully all of the engine parts will be there (if not reassembled > yet). > > This will be an event to both thank the people who have assisted with > the Tod Engine Project and also our first public gathering to show off > the engine (parts). It would be fabulous if one or more SEL members > could come out with an engine or two to run. That weekend also marks > nine years since the beginning of removal of the engine from the mill on > Sept. 20, 1996. > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Engine Heritage Park > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > http://www.todengine.org/ > Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 26 07:57:15 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:57:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update In-Reply-To: References: <20.3f770bfa.2f514610@aol.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605022607574045311a@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 08:07:23 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > Francis; > Yes there are timing marks/methods. I believe it has something to do with > the split in the case but let's not take that to the bank yet. Somewhere > there is posted a manual for the "Z" but haven't found it yet. I thought it > was on Harry's but have failed to find it. Will try gaggle. > > RickinMt. It's in the same place as the Kohler manual, Rick...... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 26 09:28:52 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:28:52 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Kohler Genny In-Reply-To: References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:02:21 +0000, Peter A Forbes wrote: > On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:32:20 -0500, you wrote: > > >There are some Kohler manuals online on the OldEngine.Org site. I imagine > >that Jeff's index will guide you to them. > > Jim: > > I don't think we ever organised that Doc's subdirectory into the main menu, do > you want to make that available publicly?? OK, I have rewritten the menu page for the document section to reflect the overall pictorial changes that we made to the Oldengine site a few years ago. The direct URL for the documents section is : http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Docs.htm All the files are in .pdf format, and the size of each file is given in brackets after the title. A button has also been added to the main Oldengine.org menu page to give access to the documents section, and the url link to Adobe's website is also in there still. Let me know if anyone has any problems accessing anything, I have kept the old menu page for reference in case we need to look back at it for anything. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Feb 26 09:29:26 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 09:29:26 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Z Style D (Shoe Box/Salt Block) Status Update Message-ID: <20050226.092927.1100.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Francis. " Timing Magneto- When replacing the crankcase cover, care must be taken to mesh the magneto gear properly. Precede as follows: Turn flywheel until piston is moving toward cylinder head on COMPRESSION STROKE to a position where the mark on the rim of the flywheel lines up with the joint between the cylinder base casting and the crank case cover. See A on diagram 99ZAD2. ( you can see that can't you) Remove the pipe plug from crankcase cover at the side of the magneto gear and turn the gear so that the mark on the gear comes in front of the inspection opening. See B on diagram 99ZAD2. Then drop the cover in place, making sure that the marks do not move from position. NOTE: the speed regulator lever must be shifted to a position nearest the flywheel when the cover is dropped in place. If you need a picture of the diagram let me know. And good luck. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > The magneto still has to be checked. The alloy magneto gear has > little > > or > > no deterioration. > > No timing marks seem to be visable. Does this engine have timing > marks > > on > > the timing gears or magneto gear? If there are no timing marks, > how is > > this > > engine timed? > > > > Francis Maciel > > Santa Maria, CA > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Feb 26 09:53:22 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:53:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update References: <20.3f770bfa.2f514610@aol.com> <6f60251605022607574045311a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm at a loss, where would that be Peter? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update > On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 08:07:23 -0700, Richard Strobel > wrote: > > Francis; > > Yes there are timing marks/methods. I believe it has something to do > > with > > the split in the case but let's not take that to the bank yet. > > Somewhere > > there is posted a manual for the "Z" but haven't found it yet. I > > thought it > > was on Harry's but have failed to find it. Will try gaggle. > > > > RickinMt. > > It's in the same place as the Kohler manual, Rick...... > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Feb 26 10:00:44 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:00:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update References: <20.3f770bfa.2f514610@aol.com> Message-ID: Ah, Ha..here's the little devil: http://www.old-engine.com/fmzd.htm RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update > Francis; > Yes there are timing marks/methods. I believe it has something to do > with the split in the case but let's not take that to the bank yet. > Somewhere there is posted a manual for the "Z" but haven't found it yet. > I thought it was on Harry's but have failed to find it. Will try gaggle. > > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 8:25 PM > Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update > > > > Hi List, > > Finally, the Fairbanks Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) has been > > completely disassembled. All the springs (governor, compensating, and > > throttle > > control) except for the valve springs and the speed control spring were > > unusable. > > The governor spring came out in many pieces. New ones have been > > ordered. > > Some previous owner had installed the valve adjust shims in the wrong > > order. > > The valve stems actually worn through the thin shims. The thick shim > > is > > the one that should make contact with the valve stem. > > The air fuel mixer valve butterfly was frozen and would not move. > > After a > > little careful application of the "flame wrench", penetrating oil, and > > a > > soaking in carburetor cleaner, the butterfly valve seems to operate > > correctly. > > The governor control rod and throttle activating assembly were also > > frozen. > > Again the heat wrench came to my aid. All parts are free. The bolt > > that holds > > the throttle activating assembly to the governor control rod snap > > during > > removal. Luckly, heating the unit with the flame wrench and > > application of > > penetrating oil, then being able to grab a part of the broken bolt with > > vise > > grips, it was removed. > > The bearing surfaces on the camshaft have been polish. There are rust > > pot > > holes on some of the surfaces. However, since this engine will not be > > operated in a work environment, these defects will not matter. > > Since the timing gear on the crankshaft was damaged, inquiries were > > made as > > the availability of a replacement usable unit. Fortunately for me, one > > of > > the members of our local engine club (Central Coast Vintage Machinery > > Association, Inc.) had a complete crankshaft assembly which he let me > > have for this > > engine. The crankshaft bearing surfaces have to be polished and one of > > the > > main bearing has to be replaced. A replacement bearing has been > > ordered. > > The governor assembly seems to be in fairly decent condition. None of > > the > > weights are deteriorated and work freely. There are two cotter pins > > which are > > installed as to prevent the governor weight pins from rotating. Does > > anyone > > why this was done in this manner? > > The magneto still has to be checked. The alloy magneto gear has little > > or > > no deterioration. > > No timing marks seem to be visable. Does this engine have timing marks > > on > > the timing gears or magneto gear? If there are no timing marks, how is > > this > > engine timed? > > > > Francis Maciel > > Santa Maria, CA > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 26 10:12:39 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:12:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update In-Reply-To: References: <20.3f770bfa.2f514610@aol.com> <6f60251605022607574045311a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050226101268164737@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:53:22 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > I'm at a loss, where would that be Peter? > > Rick http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Docs.htm You've not been reading your list emails! :-)) It's the third item down, you will nead Adobe Acrobat to get it downloaded, and there is a link to Adobe on that page as well. I posted to both lists about 40 minutes ago re the Documents on Oldengine.org. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 26 10:31:08 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:31:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update In-Reply-To: References: <20.3f770bfa.2f514610@aol.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605022610312b669915@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:00:44 -0700, Richard Strobel wrote: > Ah, Ha..here's the little devil: > > http://www.old-engine.com/fmzd.htm > > RickinMt. The one on Oldengine is a 16-page scan of an original manual, with all the parts list, settings and valve timing etc etc. Is that what you wanted? I don't know if it is specific to the models you quoted, it is for a Z model. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 26 10:49:26 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:49:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Folks, I've got a problem with two of the items that are listed in this handy dandy collection of literature. Specifically, the Bessemer Oilfield Engine manual and the Wico EK manual. In my opinion we have no business putting those on the web or keeping them there. http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Bessemer_Ox_OM.pdf http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Wico_EK_OM.pdf The reason that I strongly object is that these are items that Ed Deis sells at Hit & Miss Enterprises. Notice the "L03" and the "L43" in the upper right hand corner of the cover pages? Those are Ed's "Catalog Numbers." http://www.hitnmiss.com/22.htm He lists L03 for sale for $15 and L43 for $3. Do we REALLY need to rip someone off who provides so many parts and so much literature to the hobby? Come on, if you want a copy of those manuals, send Hit & Miss $15 or $3. If you're in this hobby to any extent, even $15 isn't gonna break the bank. Hell, I spill beer worth more than that on a typical engine show weekend! How about it folks? Take those off the web. Let's not cut the hobby suppliers who do so much for us. In fact, why not add a link to Hit & Miss's Literature page and push some business Ed's way? See ya, Arnie PS - PLEASE don't go into a long song & dance about where the scans came from or how long they've been on the web. Frankly, I don't care. I think keeping them on the web now is the wrong thing to do. Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > OK, I have rewritten the menu page for the document section to reflect > the overall pictorial changes that we made to the Oldengine site a few > years ago. The direct URL for the documents section is : > > http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Docs.htm From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 26 11:03:17 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:03:17 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605022611036dc86f0f@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:49:26 -0500 (EST), Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I've got a problem with two of the items that are listed in this handy > dandy collection of literature. > See ya, Arnie > PS - PLEASE don't go into a long song & dance about where the scans came > from or how long they've been on the web. Frankly, I don't care. I think > keeping them on the web now is the wrong thing to do. > > Arnie Fero Until I hear from Jim Dunmyer, whose site it is, I have provisionally removed their listing from the document page and have renamed the stored files as well so that nobody can access them by name. It is Jim's perogative to take what action he feels fit, and I will be guided by his wishes on this matter. Should he request reinstatement, then I will do so, as he can of course do it himself if he wishes. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Feb 26 11:14:50 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:14:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net><005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com><6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Good catch Arn! Gotta get back to mopping up water in 1/3rd the upstairs. Ladies, hire a professonal repairman next time an appliance needs fixin'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rickinsouthern Ka ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Old Engine" Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question > Hi Folks, > > I've got a problem with two of the items that are listed in this handy > dandy collection of literature. > > Specifically, the Bessemer Oilfield Engine manual and the Wico EK manual. > In my opinion we have no business putting those on the web or keeping > them there. > http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Bessemer_Ox_OM.pdf > http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Wico_EK_OM.pdf > > The reason that I strongly object is that these are items that Ed Deis > sells at Hit & Miss Enterprises. Notice the "L03" and the "L43" in the > upper right hand corner of the cover pages? Those are Ed's "Catalog > Numbers." http://www.hitnmiss.com/22.htm > He lists L03 for sale for $15 and L43 for $3. > > Do we REALLY need to rip someone off who provides so many parts and so > much literature to the hobby? Come on, if you want a copy of those > manuals, send Hit & Miss $15 or $3. If you're in this hobby to any > extent, even $15 isn't gonna break the bank. Hell, I spill beer worth > more than that on a typical engine show weekend! > > How about it folks? Take those off the web. Let's not cut the hobby > suppliers who do so much for us. In fact, why not add a link to Hit & > Miss's Literature page and push some business Ed's way? > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - PLEASE don't go into a long song & dance about where the scans came > from or how long they've been on the web. Frankly, I don't care. I think > keeping them on the web now is the wrong thing to do. > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > OK, I have rewritten the menu page for the document section to reflect > > the overall pictorial changes that we made to the Oldengine site a few > > years ago. The direct URL for the documents section is : > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Docs.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 26 11:58:30 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:58:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050226145309.0eab1d70@mail.alltel.net> Hi Arnie If there ever was a copyrite on either it's LONG ago expired. Ed has NO MORE right (legal or ethical) to the literature than does anyone else. Had Ed paid for it then it might be a different story--believe me, Ed paid NOTHING for what he reprinted. Dave PS, For Peter to "pull" the items when ONLY one person has complained/bitched/moaned about them shows where he is coming from! At 01:49 PM 2/26/2005, you wrote: >Hi Folks, > >I've got a problem with two of the items that are listed in this handy >dandy collection of literature. > >Specifically, the Bessemer Oilfield Engine manual and the Wico EK manual. >In my opinion we have no business putting those on the web or keeping >them there. >http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Bessemer_Ox_OM.pdf >http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Wico_EK_OM.pdf > >The reason that I strongly object is that these are items that Ed Deis >sells at Hit & Miss Enterprises. Notice the "L03" and the "L43" in the >upper right hand corner of the cover pages? Those are Ed's "Catalog >Numbers." http://www.hitnmiss.com/22.htm >He lists L03 for sale for $15 and L43 for $3. > >Do we REALLY need to rip someone off who provides so many parts and so >much literature to the hobby? Come on, if you want a copy of those >manuals, send Hit & Miss $15 or $3. If you're in this hobby to any >extent, even $15 isn't gonna break the bank. Hell, I spill beer worth >more than that on a typical engine show weekend! > >How about it folks? Take those off the web. Let's not cut the hobby >suppliers who do so much for us. In fact, why not add a link to Hit & >Miss's Literature page and push some business Ed's way? > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - PLEASE don't go into a long song & dance about where the scans came >from or how long they've been on the web. Frankly, I don't care. I think >keeping them on the web now is the wrong thing to do. > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > OK, I have rewritten the menu page for the document section to reflect > > the overall pictorial changes that we made to the Oldengine site a few > > years ago. The direct URL for the documents section is : > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Docs.htm > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 26 12:17:43 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:17:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050226145309.0eab1d70@mail.alltel.net> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050226145309.0eab1d70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605022612173f0c384d@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:58:30 -0500, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Arnie > If there ever was a copyrite on either it's LONG ago expired. Ed > has NO MORE right (legal or ethical) to the literature than does anyone > else. Had Ed paid for it then it might be a different story--believe me, Ed > paid NOTHING for what he reprinted. > Dave > PS, For Peter to "pull" the items when ONLY one person has > complained/bitched/moaned about them shows where he is coming from! Hi Dave: I took the action I did because I accepted Arnie's word about the books, and took account of his comments. Nobody else apart from yourself, Jim Dunmyer or a couple of other folks would have been able to influence what I did, especially after spending an hour or so on a Saturday rewriting the web pages! :-)) I have commented before on copying and copyright, and there has been a fairly balanced view on the pros and cons of putting stuff on the web. In the case of Oldengine.org I have only the role of helper to Jim Dunmyer, I do not make the policy for the site, that is Jim's job. I felt that Arnie's comments were valid enough to warrant immediate action, subject to Jim's concurrence. I do not know the person concerned, Ed Deis at Hit 'n Miss Enterprises, or the circumstances surrounding his business etc etc., I have to take Arnie's word for that. As these have been available for some 6 years or so without previous comment or question, I was a little surprised, but better to take this seriously for now than cause problems for everyone later on. The files can be restored at any time, I have copies stored on Oldengine. Thanks for your comments, I did appreciate them! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 26 12:47:26 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:47:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050226145309.0eab1d70@mail.alltel.net> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050226145309.0eab1d70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Dave, Of course this isn't a legal issue dealing with copyright. That's why I said it was a matter of ethics. It doesn't matter what Ed paid for the material that he reproduces and sells. In fact, I really wish he had some originals that he copied from, then maybe the quality of the copy wouldn't be shit. Ethical - In accordance with the accepted principles of right and wrong governing the conduct of a group. My issue is simply this. Ed gathers and sells lots of parts & literature. In that way he supports all of us in the hobby. If he makes a few bucks profit, so much the better. I don't think its ethical of us to give away what he's trying to sell. For example, folks might choose to put copies of his entire literature inventory on the web for anyone to use. What's the problem with that? We're just screwing someone who supports the hobby. That just goes against my ethical sense. If others don't have any ethical qualms about that, that's their business. BUT, if they insist on giving that material away, perhaps they could at least take Ed's catalog numbers off the front. Leaving them on is just incredibly tacky. See ya, Arnie On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, Dave Rotigel wrote: > If there ever was a copyrite on either it's LONG ago expired. Ed > has NO MORE right (legal or ethical) to the literature than does anyone > else. Had Ed paid for it then it might be a different story--believe me, Ed > paid NOTHING for what he reprinted. From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Feb 26 12:51:05 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:51:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> Hi Arnie, Where do we draw the line? Should I pull the Maytag manual? How about the Fairbanks Z manual? Reprints of both are sold on E-bay. Will some child go without dinner tonight because I am giving away the public domain information that they sell? I won't buy a reprint and put it online. I don't think that is ethical because I didn't do the work. I will buy original material and put it online if it is public domain. I have as much right to use it as anyone. I made a choice to share whatever information I can as opposed to trying to sell it. I did remove the links on the index page, but only because they are dead links now. Jeff Allen PS. What about the Maytag restoration? Someone is now selling a book on E-bay covering that. Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Folks, > >I've got a problem with two of the items that are listed in this handy >dandy collection of literature. > >Specifically, the Bessemer Oilfield Engine manual and the Wico EK manual. >In my opinion we have no business putting those on the web or keeping >them there. >http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Bessemer_Ox_OM.pdf >http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Wico_EK_OM.pdf > >The reason that I strongly object is that these are items that Ed Deis >sells at Hit & Miss Enterprises. Notice the "L03" and the "L43" in the >upper right hand corner of the cover pages? Those are Ed's "Catalog >Numbers." http://www.hitnmiss.com/22.htm >He lists L03 for sale for $15 and L43 for $3. > >Do we REALLY need to rip someone off who provides so many parts and so >much literature to the hobby? Come on, if you want a copy of those >manuals, send Hit & Miss $15 or $3. If you're in this hobby to any >extent, even $15 isn't gonna break the bank. Hell, I spill beer worth >more than that on a typical engine show weekend! > >How about it folks? Take those off the web. Let's not cut the hobby >suppliers who do so much for us. In fact, why not add a link to Hit & >Miss's Literature page and push some business Ed's way? > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - PLEASE don't go into a long song & dance about where the scans came >from or how long they've been on the web. Frankly, I don't care. I think >keeping them on the web now is the wrong thing to do. > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > >>OK, I have rewritten the menu page for the document section to reflect >>the overall pictorial changes that we made to the Oldengine site a few >>years ago. The direct URL for the documents section is : >> >>http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Docs.htm >> >> > > >To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > >stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >with: >unsubscribe >in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 26 13:12:46 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:12:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Jeff, On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, Jeff Allen wrote: > I won't buy a reprint and put it online. I don't think that is ethical > because I didn't do the work. That is EXACTLY what I referred to. Those two items are Ed Deis' reprints as shown by his catalog numbers on the front of the items. Starbolt identifies his reprints on the back. I don't know how Lee Pederson identifies his. These folks support our hobby. I don't think it's ethical for us to put literature items that they sell up as freebies. That practice does NOT benefit the hobby. We aren't making something available that isn't otherwise available. > I will buy original material and put it > online if it is public domain. I have as much right to use it as anyone. > I made a choice to share whatever information I can as opposed to trying > to sell it. BTW, Jeff, for your info, I'm the guy who provided the Novo & Oil Well Supply info that's on the Literature page. Like you say, I've put that info there to aid others in the hobby. That sort of sharing is a good thing. Putting up Deis / Starbolt / Pederson reprints is not a good thing. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 26 13:19:23 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:19:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050226145309.0eab1d70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f602516050226131947fa3385@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:47:26 -0500 (EST), Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Dave, > > Of course this isn't a legal issue dealing with copyright. That's why I > said it was a matter of ethics. It doesn't matter what Ed paid for the > material that he reproduces and sells. In fact, I really wish he had some > originals that he copied from, then maybe the quality of the copy wouldn't > be shit. Well, I have an original EK manual copy if you want a decent copy... :-)) > Ethical - In accordance with the accepted principles of right and wrong > governing the conduct of a group. > > My issue is simply this. Ed gathers and sells lots of parts & literature. > In that way he supports all of us in the hobby. If he makes a few bucks > profit, so much the better. I don't think its ethical of us to give away > what he's trying to sell. For example, folks might choose to put > copies of his entire literature inventory on the web for anyone to use. > What's the problem with that? We're just screwing someone who supports > the hobby. That just goes against my ethical sense. That is fine and nice, and I am not entirely in any disagreement in principal with what you are saying. But, where do we stop? Do we say that ALL copies should be banned because Joe Doe is, or might be, selling them to make a living? What about Internal Fire and their archives? What about all the other resources, not least the guys that sell this stuff on ebay? I don't have a handle on where we need to draw a line under this right now, to quote a 'US-ism' > If others don't have any ethical qualms about that, that's their business. > BUT, if they insist on giving that material away, perhaps they could at > least take Ed's catalog numbers off the front. Leaving them on is just > incredibly tacky. I agree with that, because they were identifiable as Ed's copies mainly. > See ya, Arnie Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 26 13:51:10 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:51:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <6f60251605022613273c3ccee2@mail.gmail.com> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> <6f60251605022613273c3ccee2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, At the risk of inflicting deeper gashes on a poor old horse who can no longer defend himself, let me offer a REALLY simple "test" of what is ethically acceptable to put up for "free use." How about this? Is this item currently being sold by one of the hobby vendors (eg. Deis / Starbolt / Pederson) and is it marked as such? If the answer is, "yes", then no, let's not put it up as a freebie. Is that unambiguous enough for everyone? I trust that is not too much of a stretch for folks. What I find really appaling is that this pair of items IS readily available, albiet for a couple of bucks. What about the thousands of pages of original literature that folks own and which is NOT available? I honestly feel that we all would advance the hobby far more by scanning THAT material and putting THAT on the web, rather than those ratty copies that Ed Deis sells. See ya, Arnie PS - Please Peter, don't remind me of the extensive collection of literature that YOU have put on the net. You are a credit to the hobby. My remarks are general and not directed to anyone in particular. On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > OK, can we start to establish what 'IS' OK for people to put up for > free and what 'ISN'T' ?? > > I don't want to get into a heavy ethical/moral issue discussion here, > but Arnie has said that he provided copies for the list archive so by > default that 'must' be OK. Can we state/accept that it is OK for > 'originals' to be copied and put up on the web ? Originals in this > case to mean absolutely original material that has not been supplied > through the restoration trade? > > If Arnie's main objections are, and I basically agree with his > position on this so far, that we should not be copying material that > has come through the restoration trade and making that material > available free of charge, then we should be able to replace any such > material with other stuff that we can ensure is not 'ripped off'. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 26 14:01:33 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:01:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <6f602516050226131947fa3385@mail.gmail.com> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050226145309.0eab1d70@mail.alltel.net> <6f602516050226131947fa3385@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > Well, I have an original EK manual copy if you want a decent copy... :-)) Why not scan it and replace the ratty Ed Deis copy on the literature page? 8-)) > But, where do we stop? Do we say that ALL copies should be banned > because Joe Doe is, or might be, selling them to make a living? What > about Internal Fire and their archives? What about all the other > resources, not least the guys that sell this stuff on ebay? I don't > have a handle on where we need to draw a line under this right now, to > quote a 'US-ism' I'm happy to keep it simple. Hit & Miss, Starbolt, and Pederson all sell parts and literature and advertise these items in their catalogs. They mark the literature as to the fact that it is available from them. So why not just agree to not screw 'em? Works for me. No need to create any grand universal truths, just show a little respect to the folks who support our hobby. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 26 15:00:35 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:00:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net> At 04:12 PM 2/26/2005, you wrote: >Hi Jeff, > >On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, Jeff Allen wrote: > > > I won't buy a reprint and put it online. I don't think that is ethical > > because I didn't do the work. > >That is EXACTLY what I referred to. Those two items are Ed Deis' reprints >as shown by his catalog numbers on the front of the items. Starbolt >identifies his reprints on the back. I don't know how Lee Pederson >identifies his.See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero No Arnie, The reprint IS NOT Ed's. he sold it to someone. At that point ownership traded hands. What the new owner does with the reprint is HIS alone to decide. What "right" do you have to tell the new owner what he can (or can not do) ethically with the material he bought and paid for? Dave PS, With this "ethical" talk one would think that you want to be elected Pope as soon as the sitting one becomes room temperature! From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Feb 26 16:08:23 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:08:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> <6f60251605022613273c3ccee2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42210F77.8050707@earthlink.net> Hi Arnie and list, Saw this old nag laying down and went to put it down. It got up so I thought I'd walk it back to the barn. :-) >How about this? Is this item currently being sold by one of the hobby >vendors (eg. Deis / Starbolt / Pederson) and is it marked as such? > >If the answer is, "yes", then no, let's not put it up as a freebie. > > You strike a good balance with this Arnie. They did take the time to make the reprint, and they deserve some consideration from all of us in the hobby. >What I find really appaling is that this pair of items IS readily >available, albiet for a couple of bucks. What about the thousands of >pages of original literature that folks own and which is NOT available? > >I honestly feel that we all would advance the hobby far more by scanning >THAT material and putting THAT on the web, rather than those ratty copies >that Ed Deis sells. > I'm working on 400 pages from a rare 1906 book. I will put it online for all to see. That's how I do it when I get the opportunity to purchase an old book or manual. I WILL NOT make the work of others available for free if it is readily available*. Now comes the hard part for all of us. We as a community of partially insane collectors of old iron need to iron this out. This issue has nothing to do with copyright or public domain material. Any of us can use it as we choose. I will take the position that Arnie mentioned above. Let's support the vendors that help the hobby. We have enough material to share without making their work free. In closing, I maintain a list of links to the hard work of others. Jim has given me "carte blanche" on the index I maintain, yet I still ask when I make changes. He will have the final say regarding the files on his server. If he decides to make the files available, I will link to them. *That is my duty in running the index, just as it is my duty to run my local clubs site as they (board of directors) see fit. I checked my personal feelings in at the door when I took on the task for the sites I maintain for others. Jeff Allen Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Peter, > >At the risk of inflicting deeper gashes on a poor old horse who can no >longer defend himself, let me offer a REALLY simple "test" of what is >ethically acceptable to put up for "free use." > >How about this? Is this item currently being sold by one of the hobby >vendors (eg. Deis / Starbolt / Pederson) and is it marked as such? > >If the answer is, "yes", then no, let's not put it up as a freebie. > >Is that unambiguous enough for everyone? I trust that is not too much of >a stretch for folks. > >What I find really appaling is that this pair of items IS readily >available, albiet for a couple of bucks. What about the thousands of >pages of original literature that folks own and which is NOT available? > >I honestly feel that we all would advance the hobby far more by scanning >THAT material and putting THAT on the web, rather than those ratty copies >that Ed Deis sells. > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - Please Peter, don't remind me of the extensive collection of >literature that YOU have put on the net. You are a credit to the hobby. >My remarks are general and not directed to anyone in particular. > >On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > >>OK, can we start to establish what 'IS' OK for people to put up for >>free and what 'ISN'T' ?? >> >>I don't want to get into a heavy ethical/moral issue discussion here, >>but Arnie has said that he provided copies for the list archive so by >>default that 'must' be OK. Can we state/accept that it is OK for >>'originals' to be copied and put up on the web ? Originals in this >>case to mean absolutely original material that has not been supplied >>through the restoration trade? >> >>If Arnie's main objections are, and I basically agree with his >>position on this so far, that we should not be copying material that >>has come through the restoration trade and making that material >>available free of charge, then we should be able to replace any such >>material with other stuff that we can ensure is not 'ripped off'. >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 26 17:15:19 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:15:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <6f602516050226131947fa3385@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050227011520.67580.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Folks, Right here is the answer as far as I am concerned. Did Ed have an original booklet to copy? OR,, Did he make copies of someone elses booklet copy. I didn't see it. If the copy is bad then I would guess he didn't have an original. I too believe it is wrong to take copies of Ed's reprints, scan them and put them on-line. BUT,,, Peter, If you have an original it would be great if you can find the time to scan it and put up a link to it. Then folks without puters on-line will go right on buying copies of copies from folks like Ed. Ed will still be selling his reprints. Alan Bowen rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Williamsburg, Michigan --- Listerdiesel wrote: Well, I have an original EK manual copy if you want a decent copy... :-)) > > > Ethical - In accordance with the accepted principles of right and wrong > > governing the conduct of a group. > > > > My issue is simply this. Ed gathers and sells lots of parts & literature. > > In that way he supports all of us in the hobby. If he makes a few bucks > > profit, so much the better. I don't think its ethical of us to give away > > what he's trying to sell. For example, folks might choose to put > > copies of his entire literature inventory on the web for anyone to use. > > What's the problem with that? We're just screwing someone who supports > > the hobby. That just goes against my ethical sense. > > That is fine and nice, and I am not entirely in any disagreement in > principal with what you are saying. > > But, where do we stop? Do we say that ALL copies should be banned > because Joe Doe is, or might be, selling them to make a living? What > about Internal Fire and their archives? What about all the other > resources, not least the guys that sell this stuff on ebay? I don't > have a handle on where we need to draw a line under this right now, to > quote a 'US-ism' > > > If others don't have any ethical qualms about that, that's their business. > > BUT, if they insist on giving that material away, perhaps they could at > > least take Ed's catalog numbers off the front. Leaving them on is just > > incredibly tacky. > > I agree with that, because they were identifiable as Ed's copies mainly. > > > See ya, Arnie > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Feb 26 17:42:15 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:42:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <20050227011520.67580.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050227011520.67580.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42212577.2000909@earthlink.net> Alan Bowen wrote in part >Then folks without puters on-line will go right on buying copies of copies from folks like Ed. Ed >will still be selling his reprints. Good point Alan. Still waiting for Dolly on this one. :-)) Flame suit is on. Jeff Allen From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 26 18:04:08 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:04:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update In-Reply-To: <6f60251605022610312b669915@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050227020408.79757.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com> No Peter, The one on Oldengine is a scan of a reprint by Jean Metcalf. (I hope I spelled that right.) 8>)) Jean (whoever that is,,,) must have done am lot of reprints. That was the name on the first copy, of a copy, of a copy,,,,,,,, of the Ottawa Encyclopedia that was given to me. It had been recopied so many times the quality was very poor. That is what prompted me to buy an orginal and make B&W copies and nice color reprints to sell. Now I have several (5 or 6) originals. The one on Oldengine.org also seems to be more for my 1-1/2HP Headless Z not the Z styled D. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Alan Bowen rustaholic777 at yahoo.com --- Listerdiesel wrote: > On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:00:44 -0700, Richard Strobel > wrote: > > Ah, Ha..here's the little devil: > > http://www.old-engine.com/fmzd.htm > > > > RickinMt. > > The one on Oldengine is a 16-page scan of an original manual, with all > the parts list, settings and valve timing etc etc. Is that what you > wanted? I don't know if it is specific to the models you quoted, it is > for a Z model. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Feb 26 18:18:03 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:18:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <42212577.2000909@earthlink.net> References: <20050227011520.67580.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com> <42212577.2000909@earthlink.net> Message-ID: You don't look nearly as good in a flame suit as Dolly does. On Feb 26, 2005, at 8:42 PM, Jeff Allen wrote: > Good point Alan. Still waiting for Dolly on this one. :-)) Flame suit > is on. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From FRM8198 at aol.com Sat Feb 26 18:29:19 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:29:19 EST Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update Message-ID: In a message dated 02/26/2005 10:23:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: http://www.old-engine.com/fmzd.htm Hi List, Thanks to everyone who has responsed to my help plea. By using this information from this site, I was able to determine how to time the camshaft to the crankshaft. Lots of data in this site for the Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock). This is going to be very helpful in getting this engine running again. The parts layout is great in indentifying replacement items. I was able to relate the parts in this site to the Hit & Miss on line catalog parts. Sure was a time saver for me when I ordered the parts. 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PCWorld home page has links to all kinds of this stuff: http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/index/0,00.asp Downloads, help forums, information: http://www.computertalkwithtab.com/ they tested and recommend the new free microsoft anti spyware program. A bunch of information, links ratings: http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm Some anti spyware programs: Adaware SE personal AdwareAway http://www.adwareaway.com/ This one is a shareware that took out the about:blank hijack that I got. I still have things to fix, but IE doesn't crash anymore... CWShredder Hijackthis KRC Hijack This Analyzer About Buster hsremove ssfsetup This one is a subscription service, but the free trial version found a few things. reglite Fancier registry editor. I have joined : http://www.techsupportforum.com They are helping me fix the part of the hijack that made it so I can't access the trusted sites thingy in IE. They walked me through a process to get rid of some of the remaining spywares and hijacks that the other things listed above didn't get. Mostly using Spybot S&D. After they confirmed that my system was clean, they had me upgrade IE, and that fixed the sites button. I am running Firefox, but need IE for a couple of sites. Also, the bleeping thing should work. Also, set all the security stuff to high, then when a site complains, go to trusted sites and add it. Dave David Tief. N1WWY Visit our web page at: http://users.abac.com/dandatief Fight Spam: http://www.hostedscripts.com/scripts/antispam.html From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat Feb 26 23:25:02 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 07:25:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question References: <20050227011520.67580.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <422175CE.665D2A7C@insulate.co.uk> Did someone call? Flame Mistress at your service. Those of us who've done it know that to copy a manual takes a fair amount of time and effort. It's very generous of people who've done it to give access to that material to others who either can't get a copy of an original or don't want it for the "old paper" value, but rather for the material contained within it. I think we have to put Paul Evans alongside Hit 'n Miss, Lee Pederson etc. They do a lot for the hobby, and it really is unfair to copy and resell what they've done, or even copy and reissue. You can't say "well it's for sale on eBay, so it must be okay" because eBay does nothing to protect copyright. Then again, we're not talking copyright here, but abuse of someone's efforts. So, I think my stand on this would be that if a manual is obviously from one of the major literature sellers (and with the Internal Fire literature, people would just have to be honest), couldn't the manuals on Oldengine.org be replaced with a link to the original seller, then at least those looking for a particular piece of literature would be sent in the right direction? This manual is available from ... etc. I don't think it's an issue worth starting a flame war over. It's all about personal ethics, because none of this stuff is copyrighted anyway. If you feel that Starbolt etc DON'T have any rights to the material once they've sold it, then YOU copy it and put it up on YOUR website. Those who feel that's wrong, don't download it. Scan your original manuals (not sold within the old engine trade) and put them up on the web, then buy your other manuals from the sellers. That way, everyone is happy. OK, now it's a lovely frosty morning and I'm going to take my coffee outside and sit in the hot tub. Anyone know if Nomex is waterproof?? Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 27 00:13:04 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:13:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605022700131b6fb709@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:00:35 -0500, Dave Rotigel wrote: > No Arnie, The reprint IS NOT Ed's. he sold it to someone. At that point > ownership traded hands. What the new owner does with the reprint is HIS > alone to decide. What "right" do you have to tell the new owner what he can > (or can not do) ethically with the material he bought and paid for? > Dave Gee, Dave, you must have some lawyer blood in you somewhere....:-)) > PS, With this "ethical" talk one would think that you want to be elected > Pope as soon as the sitting one becomes room temperature! Arnie for Pope??? That WOULD be novel ! but I feel that his liking for Real Ale would preclude his elevation to the Papacy.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 27 00:16:49 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:16:49 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update In-Reply-To: <20050227020408.79757.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6f60251605022610312b669915@mail.gmail.com> <20050227020408.79757.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050227001663c47cad@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:04:08 -0800 (PST), Alan Bowen wrote: > No Peter, > The one on Oldengine is a scan of a reprint by Jean Metcalf. (I hope I spelled that right.) 8>)) > > Jean (whoever that is,,,) must have done am lot of reprints. That was the name on the first copy, > of a copy, of a copy,,,,,,,, of the Ottawa Encyclopedia that was given to me. It had been > recopied so many times the quality was very poor. That is what prompted me to buy an orginal and > make B&W copies and nice color reprints to sell. Now I have several (5 or 6) originals. > > The one on Oldengine.org also seems to be more for my 1-1/2HP Headless Z not the Z styled D. > Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. > > Alan Bowen rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Yes, I got the wording slightly askew there ! What I meant to say was that the one link didn't have all the pages as far as I could see, and some of the information was retyped, while the Oldengine manual was the whole of THE original manual, NOT original as in a fresh copy. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 27 00:37:26 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:37:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <422175CE.665D2A7C@insulate.co.uk> References: <20050227011520.67580.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com> <422175CE.665D2A7C@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <6f60251605022700377657df7a@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 07:25:02 +0000, Jim French wrote: > Did someone call? > Flame Mistress at your service. > OK, now it's a lovely frosty morning and I'm going to take my coffee outside and >sit in the hot tub. > > Anyone know if Nomex is waterproof?? > > Dolly Hi Helen: Nice to hear from you after a long absence... You have raised another issue which I did want to bring up, but was a bit involved with the other thread, that of copying web-based material and then trying to sell it on ebay or whatever. Internal Fire has been the victim of this a few times now, and I think this has retarded efforts to make material available on the web. Most of us would be happy to offer decent copies of material for people to use for their own purposes, but not for those people to rush out and make up a CD to sell on ebay. There are plenty of those sort of people around as Paul has found out. We spend a lot of time and money buying original copies, scanning them and then cleaning them up so they can be printed out by users for their own use, but the lack of any decent means of protecting them from the unscrupulous has so far stopped us putting them up for the engine guys to use. That is now being addressed by two companies, and Digimarc are also now apparently able to offer protection against right-clicking on an image and saving it, so we may see the end of this particular problem. I don't care how many times someone downloads images of manuals that we have prepared and put on our web site, I just object to them taking them away and trying to make money out of them. Adobe also are working on better protection in Acrobat, and a combination of the two may see us able to release a lot more information on the website. We do it for fun, there is no return for us, other than the occasional 'thank you' which is always nice to hear, so it would be nice to be able to expand the information base. Unfortunately, we suffer like Paul with complete sections of our website being copied and used elsewhere, so we have spent more time this past year or so looking for better security before we put more stuff up. Not too frosty here, but we had snow last night when we were up the field feeding the nags... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Feb 27 02:11:39 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 05:11:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <6f60251605022700131b6fb709@mail.gmail.com> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net> <6f60251605022700131b6fb709@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050227050430.0ead9050@mail.alltel.net> At 03:13 AM 2/27/2005, you wrote: >On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:00:35 -0500, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > No Arnie, The reprint IS NOT Ed's. he sold it to someone. At that point > > ownership traded hands. What the new owner does with the reprint is HIS > > alone to decide. > >Gee, Dave, you must have some lawyer blood in you somewhere....:-)) >Peter No Peter, just a bit of common sense. Something which a few on the List (and keel in mind, IT'S ONLY A FEW!) seem to have lost! being what our society has become, I rather think that the copies will now be taken down--that's what we now do when a SMALL minority now bitches about something. Dave PS, I think we should censure Curt for making the piston pattern. I'm sure that he bought it from someone--or if not he, then someone did! (and after all, Ed sells them in order to put food on the table for his children. PPPS, Keep in mine this is for "the children!" PPPPS, I feel their pain--that's why I'll leaving for FL in 10 minutes! From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Feb 27 03:00:46 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:00:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FW: moffat-virtue Message-ID: <200502271100.j1RB0ZBg016824@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> If anyone can help Derek please reply to the address below. Patrick M Livingstone _____ From: DEREK MILLARD [mailto:del.m1 at btinternet.com] Subject: moffat-virtue hi my name is del I live in the uk I love to restore old engines I have some to at the mo I am restoring a moffat-virtue for my wife can you tell me where or how I can date this engine it runs well my wife fell in love with it its a 2. 1/4 hp sn 32727 runs at 1000 rpm i hope you can help me thank you Derek From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 27 03:13:43 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:13:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050227050430.0ead9050@mail.alltel.net> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net> <6f60251605022700131b6fb709@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050227050430.0ead9050@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605022703134795da18@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 05:11:39 -0500, Dave Rotigel wrote: > No Peter, just a bit of common sense. Something which a few on the List > (and keep in mind, IT'S ONLY A FEW!) seem to have lost! being what our > society has become, I rather think that the copies will now be taken > down--that's what we now do when a SMALL minority now bitches about something. > Dave > PS, I think we should censure Curt for making the piston pattern. I'm sure > that he bought it from someone--or if not he, then someone did! (and after > all, Ed sells them in order to put food on the table for his children. > PPPS, Keep in mind this is for "the children!" > PPPPS, I feel their pain--that's why I'll leaving for FL in 10 minutes! We will be taking other action on the manuals front soon, watch this space. Have a safe trip! -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 27 11:23:53 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:23:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Secure Pictures and Manuals Message-ID: <6f60251605022711235703d25@mail.gmail.com> We have been trying out a few things today, and our friend Tim in California suggested that we use pdfFactoryPro from Fineprint.com. I have bought the programme to try out, and have put up a trial picture on the net to see what can be done with it, or not as the case may be. http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/venn4.pdf In theory, it should NOT be possible to edit/change/amend the picture, but I'd like you guys to try your best to see what you can come up with. It wasn't a particularly small image to start with, so dial-up guys may want to leave this one alone until we get a smaller one to play with. It isn't huge, just a bit bigger than normal! Let me have any comments on what you can see/do please. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Feb 27 12:02:58 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:02:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <6f60251605022711235703d25@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f60251605022711235703d25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42222772.9040301@earthlink.net> http://frapa.us/Ripped.jpg Listerdiesel wrote: >We have been trying out a few things today, and our friend Tim in >California suggested that we use pdfFactoryPro from Fineprint.com. > >I have bought the programme to try out, and have put up a trial >picture on the net to see what can be done with it, or not as the case >may be. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/venn4.pdf > >In theory, it should NOT be possible to edit/change/amend the picture, >but I'd like you guys to try your best to see what you can come up >with. It wasn't a particularly small image to start with, so dial-up >guys may want to leave this one alone until we get a smaller one to >play with. It isn't huge, just a bit bigger than normal! > >Let me have any comments on what you can see/do please. > >Peter > > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sun Feb 27 12:49:53 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 07:49:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Ballarat Swap Message-ID: A lot of the aussie sel members attended the swap ,i think most found a bargain or two. We got together on the friday night for a few refreshments and a good yarn.Kerry kept us entertained with a few jokes. Now only two weeks to go and we will do it all again at the National. Dave _________________________________________________________________ It's easy to send photos with Hotmail. Click here to find out how: http://www.imagine-msn.com/Hotmail/Post/Communicate/SendPhotos.aspx From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 27 14:02:09 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:02:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <6f60251605022711235703d25@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f60251605022711235703d25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605022714027494821d@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:23:53 +0000, Listerdiesel wrote: > We have been trying out a few things today, and our friend Tim in > California suggested that we use pdfFactoryPro from Fineprint.com. > > I have bought the programme to try out, and have put up a trial > picture on the net to see what can be done with it, or not as the case > may be. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/venn4.pdf > > In theory, it should NOT be possible to edit/change/amend the picture, > but I'd like you guys to try your best to see what you can come up > with. It wasn't a particularly small image to start with, so dial-up > guys may want to leave this one alone until we get a smaller one to > play with. It isn't huge, just a bit bigger than normal! > > Let me have any comments on what you can see/do please. > > Peter Well, that was an interesting experience!! The general consensus seems to be that the protection as advertised doesn't do what it should, and most folks have been able to easily get into the file and either change it or grab the image. I have emailed the company concerned to see if they have any answers and will report back as soon as I get a response. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bill at antique-engines.com Sun Feb 27 14:13:35 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:13:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <42222772.9040301@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200502272213.j1RMDcQ2073337@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> http://www.antique-engines.com/images/Image4.jpg Working on other hacks now............. Including modifying the PDF. If you can display it on my browser, I can hijack it. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 2:03 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Secure Pictures and Manuals http://frapa.us/Ripped.jpg Listerdiesel wrote: >We have been trying out a few things today, and our friend Tim in >California suggested that we use pdfFactoryPro from Fineprint.com. > >I have bought the programme to try out, and have put up a trial picture >on the net to see what can be done with it, or not as the case may be. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/venn4.pdf > >In theory, it should NOT be possible to edit/change/amend the picture, >but I'd like you guys to try your best to see what you can come up >with. It wasn't a particularly small image to start with, so dial-up >guys may want to leave this one alone until we get a smaller one to >play with. It isn't huge, just a bit bigger than normal! > >Let me have any comments on what you can see/do please. > >Peter > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rwenig at telus.net Sun Feb 27 14:28:45 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:28:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <42222772.9040301@earthlink.net> References: <6f60251605022711235703d25@mail.gmail.com> <42222772.9040301@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4222499D.50402@telus.net> Hello Guys, I had no trouble figuring out how Jeff came up with the jpg. :-8 Anyone can do the same thing if I can figure it out. Got the image on my desktop if you want to see it. Rupert Jeff Allen wrote: > http://frapa.us/Ripped.jpg > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Feb 27 14:35:18 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:35:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: References: <20050227011520.67580.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com> <42212577.2000909@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1109543718.42224b26be744@webmail.city-net.com> Hell John, NO ONE looks as good in that fitted Nomex as Dolly does!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting John Culp : > You don't look nearly as good in a flame suit as Dolly does. From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sun Feb 27 14:40:18 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:40:18 EST Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question Message-ID: <62.4fa4e29d.2f53a652@aol.com> Hi Arnie, Peter, Dave, Ron, Ken and all, Let's see. If I download a manual, then print it off and use it in the shop I have stolen the bread from the children of an old iron vendor, and that is considered a bad thing because the old iron vendor may go out of business thus depriving the hobby of a source of parts and copies of manuals. Of course, if I get far enough to download the manual, take it to the shop, and then, by using the downloaded manual, identify correctly the missing parts for my 1923 2 HP Gasper, I can then seek out a vendor and request exactly what I need. Are we really concerned that the lowered sales of copies of manuals will harm the vendors? I wonder. >From time to time I hear laments that we need more young folks in the hobby. It would seem to me that easy access via Internet would encourage young folks to learn more about the hobby. How does restricting access to copies of manuals affect the rate of infection of the young with old iron fever? I think restricting access will lessen interest in the hobby. Why do we care about availability of our old iron and related products? Well, the more available it is, the less the cost. Market value of our toys is related as much to rarity as to attractiveness. If that were not the case, the Maytag Twin would undoubtedly be among the highest priced engines extant. But, humor aside, we do hope our old iron will sell well at our estate auctions, and many of us use that argument with our spouses when mentioning the lust for another engine to put in the shed. If the posting of pictures of engines on web sites were the same as giving away real, three dimensional old engines, I would expect to hear the outcry from those who would see their shed contents losing value. But, copies of literature? I haven't seen that the availability of copies of literature has much effect on the prices of the originals. Some people lament the Lister and Petter clones becoming available. I suspect, if anything, interest in the originals has increased as a result of the clones coming out. The price of the clones seems to ebb and flow with the daily change in attitude of the Environmental Protection Agency. One day they are against them, the next, tolerant. My position on this whole thing is that copyrights should be honored. Beyond that, I can't see the vendors suffering any from the displaying of manuals on the Internet, and they might even have increased sales as a result of increased interest in the hobby. A nice balance might be made by adding a page to the old manuals that give contact information for today's vendors of parts, engines, and, of course, copies of manuals. Respectfully submitted, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri (home of the lonesome vertical magneto flywheel Maytag) From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Feb 27 14:40:33 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:40:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <6f60251605022700131b6fb709@mail.gmail.com> References: <200502251300.j1PD0V8n049603@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005201c51b46$d0b969c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> <6f60251605022609285b6c0070@mail.gmail.com> <4220E139.4000206@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050226175634.0eb19bd0@mail.alltel.net> <6f60251605022700131b6fb709@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1109544033.42224c61520c3@webmail.city-net.com> BLOODY HELL, the Pope doesn't drink real ale???? Guess I'll have to stick with the Neo-Druid Dead Puppy Cult!! See ya, Arnie Quoting Listerdiesel : > > PS, With this "ethical" talk one would think that you want to be elected > > Pope as soon as the sitting one becomes room temperature! > > Arnie for Pope??? That WOULD be novel ! but I feel that his liking > for Real Ale would preclude his elevation to the Papacy.... From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Feb 27 14:44:18 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:44:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <6f60251605022714027494821d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f60251605022711235703d25@mail.gmail.com> <6f60251605022714027494821d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42224D42.6070805@earthlink.net> Peter, I don't think you can prevent a screen capture. It would take on helluva code writer to do it, and if it was done for a PC.............. I would switch to the Mac and snag it. I have just decided I will share information that I have. I really don't care if people download it for their own use. As I said the last time this came up, if I see my stuff on e-bay I do have an option. Point the bidders to the free version on my web pages. That should kill the auction and provide me with some entertainment. :-)) Jeff Allen Listerdiesel wrote: >On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:23:53 +0000, Listerdiesel wrote: > > >>We have been trying out a few things today, and our friend Tim in >>California suggested that we use pdfFactoryPro from Fineprint.com. >> >>I have bought the programme to try out, and have put up a trial >>picture on the net to see what can be done with it, or not as the case >>may be. >> >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/venn4.pdf >> >>In theory, it should NOT be possible to edit/change/amend the picture, >>but I'd like you guys to try your best to see what you can come up >>with. It wasn't a particularly small image to start with, so dial-up >>guys may want to leave this one alone until we get a smaller one to >>play with. It isn't huge, just a bit bigger than normal! >> >>Let me have any comments on what you can see/do please. >> >>Peter >> >> > >Well, that was an interesting experience!! > >The general consensus seems to be that the protection as advertised >doesn't do what it should, and most folks have been able to easily get >into the file and either change it or grab the image. > >I have emailed the company concerned to see if they have any answers >and will report back as soon as I get a response. > >Peter > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Feb 27 15:59:11 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:59:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Literature on Old Engine - Ethics Question In-Reply-To: <62.4fa4e29d.2f53a652@aol.com> References: <62.4fa4e29d.2f53a652@aol.com> Message-ID: <32f792f8836e3fbc9f65655b90388989@chartertn.net> On Feb 27, 2005, at 5:40 PM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > Some > people lament the Lister and Petter clones becoming available. I > suspect, if > anything, interest in the originals has increased as a result of the > clones > coming out. Lots of you have seen that shiny nickel plated guitar I like to play. It's another clone, a Chinese made copy of an old National guitar from the 1920s. (Johnson brand.) There's a company in California today named National Resophonic making high quality copies of them, too. Strictly speaking they're another clone-maker with no connection to the old National Musical Instrument Company, but having the old National trademark and name and being located in America they've come to be regarded as "The Real Thing." Anyway, just yesterday I saw a post discussing this issue. Seems that in a magazine interview the founder of the current National company said that the cheap models from China had really boosted their business. Lots more folks have come to notice and try them out, and then they want a "real National." I just wish the Indians (or Chinese) were cloning more old engine types than they are! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Feb 27 18:16:06 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:16:06 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <6f60251605022714027494821d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200502280216.j1S2G9sj065556@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > I have emailed the company concerned to see if they have any answers > and will report back as soon as I get a response. Dude, If you come up with a scheme for preventing people from stealing your electronic work, there is a lucrative career in store for you in the motion picture or music recording industry. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 28 00:15:06 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:15:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <200502280216.j1S2G9sj065556@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <6f60251605022714027494821d@mail.gmail.com> <200502280216.j1S2G9sj065556@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050228001549e98c83@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:16:06 -0800, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > I have emailed the company concerned to see if they have any answers > > and will report back as soon as I get a response. > > Dude, > If you come up with a scheme for preventing people from stealing your electronic > work, there is a lucrative career in store for you in the motion picture or > music recording industry. Hi Rob: Can't really see it happening, but worth the effort to see what we CAN do at least. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 28 00:21:07 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:21:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <42224D42.6070805@earthlink.net> References: <6f60251605022711235703d25@mail.gmail.com> <6f60251605022714027494821d@mail.gmail.com> <42224D42.6070805@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6f602516050228002169b66b9a@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:44:18 -0700, Jeff Allen wrote: > Peter, > > I don't think you can prevent a screen capture. It would take on helluva > code writer to do it, and if it was done for a PC.............. > > I would switch to the Mac and snag it. > > I have just decided I will share information that I have. I really don't > care if people download it for their own use. As I said the last time > this came up, if I see my stuff on e-bay I do have an option. Point the > bidders to the free version on my web pages. That should kill the > auction and provide me with some entertainment. :-)) > > Jeff Allen Hi Jeff: I am all for people downloading for their OWN use, it's those that go on from there and start to market the stuff that I am after stopping. We have something like 10,000 pages of stuff here including the old UK Patents going back to the 1800's that I would like to put up online, but as soon as the first pages became available they were pirated almost within hours of appearing, and that was without me even mentioning the fact that they were there! I know that Paul Evans tried password protecting the access, but that becomes an administrative nightmare and takes up time, so I think he dropped it eventually. I don't want to get into a commercial vending operation, this is supposed to be a hobby, I am just trying to find a way that works for us all. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Feb 28 04:25:34 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:25:34 +0800 Subject: [SEL] makes the work half as easy! Message-ID: <000901c51d90$9e8ffda0$5fcc3dca@ogborneuah38i3> I ran out of Trefalax today whist cutting BSP threads so i went and bought a new lot ...very expensive nowdays . I can remember that in the shop where i was an apprentice we had a ''New Chum''[ in those days we called those recently arrived from the UK by that term ...as well as Poms. ] this guy certainly knew his machining and he introduced us to a cutting compound that he made up ,Sulphur and grease...it worked very well . What is the secret with Sulphur? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From plb at iinet.net.au Mon Feb 28 05:35:09 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:35:09 +0800 Subject: [SEL] makes the work half as easy! References: 167581712 Message-ID: <010001c51d9a$526fb9b0$0201010a@Portable> Well they use sulpher in free cutting steels. maybe thats a clue,maybe its right off track! I have a recipe for a cutting fluid thats apparently the bees knees but I have yet to try it. its made up of 1 part turpentine, 2 parts white spirits and 3 parts olive oil. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 8:25 PM Subject: [SEL] makes the work half as easy! >I ran out of Trefalax today whist cutting BSP threads so i went and bought >a new lot ...very expensive nowdays . I can remember that in the shop where >i was an apprentice we had a ''New Chum''[ in those days we called those >recently arrived from the UK by that term ...as well as Poms. ] this guy >certainly knew his machining and he introduced us to a cutting compound >that he made up ,Sulphur and grease...it worked very well . What is the >secret with Sulphur? > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plb at iinet.net.au Mon Feb 28 06:09:05 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:09:05 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Cooper KA References: 167581712 Message-ID: <010301c51d9f$0ff0c4d0$0201010a@Portable> I am currently working on a little Cooper KA,made in the USA by Stover I believe. I have to date sleeved the pitted bore and got ot all sand blasted and clean. One of the next jobs is to start getting things painted for re assemble. Can anyone tell me what green Cooper used? Ray Freeman _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldengin at udata.com Mon Feb 28 16:44:05 2005 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:44:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <42224D42.6070805@earthlink.net> References: <6f60251605022711235703d25@mail.gmail.com> <6f60251605022714027494821d@mail.gmail.com> <42224D42.6070805@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4223BAD5.6020408@udata.com> Jeff Allen wrote: > > > I have just decided I will share information that I have. I really > don't care if people download it for their own use. As I said the last > time this came up, if I see my stuff on e-bay I do have an option. > Point the bidders to the free version on my web pages. That should > kill the auction and provide me with some entertainment. :-)) > Gday Most of you who know me know that my junk has no papers. It ain't even close to the heintz variety. BUT with those thoughts out here is a suggestion........ With the printed items from vendors that are known to us could we not add a link to there sites or give snail addys so the honest could know where to go and obtain a copy for themselves, along with the catalog that any of them will gladly furnish with any order? I have received e-mails asking for assistance on paper, rings, gaskets, etc....... and I have no problem in steering someone in the right direction, we could maybe help the hobby out with mentions to where to go and look for the information they want answered. Is this being a redneck? or is it trying to help someone along the way? I still keep this a HOBBY and have sent many items to those needing them ( side note I still have not sent your item Jim Yost) A fellow from Mt. Joy Pa. wrote me asking for paper and I sent him everything I had. Now did I do wrong? ps at no charge of course. pss I have links to vendors on my web page, does anyone else? psss I would also link to anyone asking for it, if I could ever figure that $%%^^&*&^^^&&* thing out! -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From oldengin at udata.com Mon Feb 28 17:01:33 2005 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:01:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] GERMANY OT In-Reply-To: <010001c51d9a$526fb9b0$0201010a@Portable> References: 167581712 <010001c51d9a$526fb9b0$0201010a@Portable> Message-ID: <4223BEED.4000604@udata.com> Can anyone decipher German for me? I can't even do this with english! -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Feb 28 17:32:48 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:32:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <6f602516050228002169b66b9a@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f60251605022711235703d25@mail.gmail.com> <6f60251605022714027494821d@mail.gmail.com> <42224D42.6070805@earthlink.net> <6f602516050228002169b66b9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4223C640.3090604@earthlink.net> Peter, I hate to say it, but I think you are destined to failure on this. I can rip a dual layer 7.5 Gig commercial movie, and burn it to my single layer DVD. In the process I strip all copy protection and region codes. The program I use is free. If I can beat that copy protection, I doubt we will ever come up with anything that will prevent the dishonest from using our data as they wish. Jerry probably has the best solution. >What I plan on doing is to add the words "Downloaded free from >www.oldengine.org - not for resale" on to every page as well as >superimposing it onto all illustrations (of course, in such a way that it >does not cover any important part of the illustration). > It won't prevent copies, but will make them work for their money. Most thiefs are lazy, so this should work to some extent. I'll link to an example in a bit, and you guys can play with cleanup. Jeff Listerdiesel wrote: >On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:44:18 -0700, Jeff Allen wrote: > > >>Peter, >> >>I don't think you can prevent a screen capture. It would take on helluva >>code writer to do it, and if it was done for a PC.............. >> >>I would switch to the Mac and snag it. >> >>I have just decided I will share information that I have. I really don't >>care if people download it for their own use. As I said the last time >>this came up, if I see my stuff on e-bay I do have an option. Point the >>bidders to the free version on my web pages. That should kill the >>auction and provide me with some entertainment. :-)) >> >>Jeff Allen >> >> > >Hi Jeff: > >I am all for people downloading for their OWN use, it's those that go >on from there and start to market the stuff that I am after stopping. > >We have something like 10,000 pages of stuff here including the old UK >Patents going back to the 1800's that I would like to put up online, >but as soon as the first pages became available they were pirated >almost within hours of appearing, and that was without me even >mentioning the fact that they were there! > >I know that Paul Evans tried password protecting the access, but that >becomes an administrative nightmare and takes up time, so I think he >dropped it eventually. > >I don't want to get into a commercial vending operation, this is >supposed to be a hobby, I am just trying to find a way that works for >us all. > >Peter > > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Feb 28 18:17:30 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:17:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <4223C640.3090604@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200503010217.j212HvHT075827@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Jeff is right. I have a whole collection of password hacking applications, ways to bypass Microsoft office and Windows installation protection schemes, as well as for several other applications, abilities to copy DVDs and CDs, etc. Not that I actually do, but it's my hobby to see what I can hack or get into. It's also part of my job to know what can be done and how easily. I'm on a security team at work. Part of the way to keep ahead in security is to know the foe - you have to play devil's advocate. PDFs are protected only when the displaying application agrees to not let you print, save etc - what if you had a viewer that simply ignored that plea inside the PDF? Well, such apps are free for the downloading, meaning I can display and print any PDF - even with the printing disabled. There are also hacking apps that break passwords in PDFs - I have a couple of those as well. I'm with Jeff and Jerry............. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 7:33 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals Peter, I hate to say it, but I think you are destined to failure on this. I can rip a dual layer 7.5 Gig commercial movie, and burn it to my single layer DVD. In the process I strip all copy protection and region codes. The program I use is free. If I can beat that copy protection, I doubt we will ever come up with anything that will prevent the dishonest from using our data as they wish. Jerry probably has the best solution. >What I plan on doing is to add the words "Downloaded free from >www.oldengine.org - not for resale" on to every page as well as >superimposing it onto all illustrations (of course, in such a way that >it does not cover any important part of the illustration). > It won't prevent copies, but will make them work for their money. Most thiefs are lazy, so this should work to some extent. I'll link to an example in a bit, and you guys can play with cleanup. Jeff Listerdiesel wrote: >On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:44:18 -0700, Jeff Allen wrote: > > >>Peter, >> >>I don't think you can prevent a screen capture. It would take on >>helluva code writer to do it, and if it was done for a PC.............. >> >>I would switch to the Mac and snag it. >> >>I have just decided I will share information that I have. I really >>don't care if people download it for their own use. As I said the last >>time this came up, if I see my stuff on e-bay I do have an option. >>Point the bidders to the free version on my web pages. That should >>kill the auction and provide me with some entertainment. :-)) >> >>Jeff Allen >> >> > >Hi Jeff: > >I am all for people downloading for their OWN use, it's those that go >on from there and start to market the stuff that I am after stopping. > >We have something like 10,000 pages of stuff here including the old UK >Patents going back to the 1800's that I would like to put up online, >but as soon as the first pages became available they were pirated >almost within hours of appearing, and that was without me even >mentioning the fact that they were there! > >I know that Paul Evans tried password protecting the access, but that >becomes an administrative nightmare and takes up time, so I think he >dropped it eventually. > >I don't want to get into a commercial vending operation, this is >supposed to be a hobby, I am just trying to find a way that works for >us all. > >Peter > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Mon Feb 28 18:44:14 2005 From: AntiqueEngineB at aol.com (AntiqueEngineB at aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:44:14 EST Subject: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals Message-ID: <66.51df1e59.2f5530fe@aol.com> By the looksa of it nobody on this sel list has any old iron or engines to talk aboutso i'llgo over to the smokestak where everbody else is .Maybe some day it will get back to old iron like it was. _antiqueengineb at aol.com_ (mailto:antiqueengineb at aol.com) Bob From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Feb 28 19:19:00 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:19:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT, but funny Message-ID: <4223DF24.4090006@earthlink.net> Hi all, Microsoft's new anti spyware seems to be quite effective. http://www.bbspot.com/News/2005/01/microsoft_antispyware.html Jeff From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Feb 28 20:29:57 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:29:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <200503010217.j212HvHT075827@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200503010217.j212HvHT075827@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <4223EFC5.5030703@earthlink.net> Hi all, I cleaned this up a bit, but here are a couple examples. First one is text on a picture. http://frapa.us/Genny3.jpg It that doesn't work, this will do the trick. :-) http://frapa.us/Ripped.jpg It's not hard to do, and offers about the best protection we can have. Go for it and remove what I have added. Not an easy task. Jeff Bill Dickerson wrote: >Jeff is right. I have a whole collection of password hacking applications, >ways to bypass Microsoft office and Windows installation protection schemes, >as well as for several other applications, abilities to copy DVDs and CDs, >etc. Not that I actually do, but it's my hobby to see what I can hack or get >into. >It's also part of my job to know what can be done and how easily. I'm on a >security team at work. >Part of the way to keep ahead in security is to know the foe - you have to >play devil's advocate. > >PDFs are protected only when the displaying application agrees to not let >you print, save etc - what if you had a viewer that simply ignored that plea >inside the PDF? Well, such apps are free for the downloading, meaning I can >display and print any PDF - even with the printing disabled. >There are also hacking apps that break passwords in PDFs - I have a couple >of those as well. > >I'm with Jeff and Jerry............. > >Bill > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen >Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 7:33 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals > >Peter, > >I hate to say it, but I think you are destined to failure on this. I can rip >a dual layer 7.5 Gig commercial movie, and burn it to my single layer DVD. >In the process I strip all copy protection and region codes. >The program I use is free. If I can beat that copy protection, I doubt we >will ever come up with anything that will prevent the dishonest from using >our data as they wish. > >Jerry probably has the best solution. > > > >>What I plan on doing is to add the words "Downloaded free from >>www.oldengine.org - not for resale" on to every page as well as >>superimposing it onto all illustrations (of course, in such a way that >>it does not cover any important part of the illustration). >> >> >> >It won't prevent copies, but will make them work for their money. Most >thiefs are lazy, so this should work to some extent. I'll link to an example >in a bit, and you guys can play with cleanup. > >Jeff > > > >Listerdiesel wrote: > > > >>On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:44:18 -0700, Jeff Allen >> >> >wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >>>Peter, >>> >>>I don't think you can prevent a screen capture. It would take on >>>helluva code writer to do it, and if it was done for a PC.............. >>> >>>I would switch to the Mac and snag it. >>> >>>I have just decided I will share information that I have. I really >>>don't care if people download it for their own use. As I said the last >>>time this came up, if I see my stuff on e-bay I do have an option. >>>Point the bidders to the free version on my web pages. That should >>>kill the auction and provide me with some entertainment. :-)) >>> >>>Jeff Allen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Hi Jeff: >> >>I am all for people downloading for their OWN use, it's those that go >>on from there and start to market the stuff that I am after stopping. >> >>We have something like 10,000 pages of stuff here including the old UK >>Patents going back to the 1800's that I would like to put up online, >>but as soon as the first pages became available they were pirated >>almost within hours of appearing, and that was without me even >>mentioning the fact that they were there! >> >>I know that Paul Evans tried password protecting the access, but that >>becomes an administrative nightmare and takes up time, so I think he >>dropped it eventually. >> >>I don't want to get into a commercial vending operation, this is >>supposed to be a hobby, I am just trying to find a way that works for >>us all. >> >>Peter >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Feb 28 21:00:27 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 00:00:27 EST Subject: [SEL] Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) Status Update Message-ID: Hi List, For the last two days, I have been doing a "dry run" in reassembling the Fairbank Morse Z Style D (ShoeBox/SaltBlock) as the replacement parts are not here yet. This reassembling activity has been an eye opener for me. The repIacement crankshaft gear seems to mesh OK with the camshaft gear. The rod bearing seems to match with the crankshaft journal. The valve clearances have been set using shim stock. With the crankshaft, camshaft, connecting rod, and piston in place, I am able to turn the engine over and nothing is binding. I even found the timing magneto mark which I couldn't find other day. The next thing that has to be done is to dynamically check out the magneto on the bench. The oil dip stick also has to be replaced as the original one was deteriorated due to standing water in the crankcase. Hopefully, I will be ready to install the replacement parts when they arrive. After governor spring and throttle shaft spring arrive and are installed, I'll be able to adjust the governor to throttle butterfly linkage. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 28 23:15:46 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 07:15:46 +0000 Subject: [SEL] GERMANY OT In-Reply-To: <4223BEED.4000604@udata.com> References: <010001c51d9a$526fb9b0$0201010a@Portable> <4223BEED.4000604@udata.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605022823155f92888d@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:01:33 -0500, Leroy C. wrote: > Can anyone decipher German for me? I can't even do this with english! > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark Go here, Leroy, this is a free service and works quite well for basic languages: http://world.altavista.com/ Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 28 23:17:25 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 07:17:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Nordberg Radial Diesels Message-ID: <6f6025160502282317dc5d16b@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone know if any of these large radials are still in service or preserved? I had an enquiry from a guy in Washington State asking about them. They made these engines in Gas or Diesel IIRC. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From guitronics at comcast.net Mon Feb 28 23:33:43 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (lightningrod) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 02:33:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals In-Reply-To: <4223EFC5.5030703@earthlink.net> References: <200503010217.j212HvHT075827@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <4223EFC5.5030703@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42241AD7.9010804@comcast.net> Wow! That "Ripped" JPEG is revealing. The guy in front of the engine really looks as if he's "Ripped"! What a buzz!Hahaha Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > I cleaned this up a bit, but here are a couple examples. First one is > text on a picture. > > http://frapa.us/Genny3.jpg > > It that doesn't work, this will do the trick. :-) > > http://frapa.us/Ripped.jpg > > It's not hard to do, and offers about the best protection we can have. > Go for it and remove what I have added. Not an easy task. > > Jeff > > Bill Dickerson wrote: > >> Jeff is right. I have a whole collection of password hacking >> applications, >> ways to bypass Microsoft office and Windows installation protection >> schemes, >> as well as for several other applications, abilities to copy DVDs and >> CDs, >> etc. Not that I actually do, but it's my hobby to see what I can hack >> or get >> into. >> It's also part of my job to know what can be done and how easily. I'm >> on a >> security team at work. >> Part of the way to keep ahead in security is to know the foe - you >> have to >> play devil's advocate. >> >> PDFs are protected only when the displaying application agrees to not >> let >> you print, save etc - what if you had a viewer that simply ignored >> that plea >> inside the PDF? Well, such apps are free for the downloading, meaning >> I can >> display and print any PDF - even with the printing disabled. >> There are also hacking apps that break passwords in PDFs - I have a >> couple >> of those as well. >> >> I'm with Jeff and Jerry............. >> >> Bill >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen >> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 7:33 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Secure Pictures and Manuals >> >> Peter, >> >> I hate to say it, but I think you are destined to failure on this. I >> can rip >> a dual layer 7.5 Gig commercial movie, and burn it to my single layer >> DVD. >> In the process I strip all copy protection and region codes. The >> program I use is free. If I can beat that copy protection, I doubt we >> will ever come up with anything that will prevent the dishonest from >> using >> our data as they wish. >> >> Jerry probably has the best solution. >> >> >> >>> What I plan on doing is to add the words "Downloaded free from >>> www.oldengine.org - not for resale" on to every page as well as >>> superimposing it onto all illustrations (of course, in such a way >>> that it does not cover any important part of the illustration). >>> >>> >> >> It won't prevent copies, but will make them work for their money. Most >> thiefs are lazy, so this should work to some extent. I'll link to an >> example >> in a bit, and you guys can play with cleanup. >> >> Jeff >> >> >> >> Listerdiesel wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:44:18 -0700, Jeff Allen >>> >>> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Peter, >>>> >>>> I don't think you can prevent a screen capture. It would take on >>>> helluva code writer to do it, and if it was done for a >>>> PC.............. >>>> >>>> I would switch to the Mac and snag it. >>>> >>>> I have just decided I will share information that I have. I really >>>> don't care if people download it for their own use. As I said the >>>> last time this came up, if I see my stuff on e-bay I do have an >>>> option. Point the bidders to the free version on my web pages. That >>>> should kill the auction and provide me with some entertainment. :-)) >>>> >>>> Jeff Allen >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Hi Jeff: >>> >>> I am all for people downloading for their OWN use, it's those that >>> go on from there and start to market the stuff that I am after >>> stopping. >>> >>> We have something like 10,000 pages of stuff here including the old >>> UK Patents going back to the 1800's that I would like to put up >>> online, but as soon as the first pages became available they were >>> pirated almost within hours of appearing, and that was without me >>> even mentioning the fact that they were there! >>> >>> I know that Paul Evans tried password protecting the access, but >>> that becomes an administrative nightmare and takes up time, so I >>> think he dropped it eventually. >>> >>> I don't want to get into a commercial vending operation, this is >>> supposed to be a hobby, I am just trying to find a way that works >>> for us all. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >